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Thailand
Without a doubt! THAILAND!
...actually, my Vote would be on Romania, but sounds like I should go for Thailand... ;-)
Ethiopia... 30,000 SW in Addis under the age of 20 are the statistics!
Seeking opinions on what is the best country AND city for multiple STRs over time, GIVEN THAT
1) I'd have a part-time job that would require reliable daily (at least) internet access that I would be paying for, but it's only five months a year,
2) I'd have $1600 US per month (for twelve months) after tax to live on and get laid off of,
3) I can live in a small apartment but I want to live alone,
4) I don't need or really want a car,
5) I spend about $400 US per month right now on booze and weed, and would give up one or the other if necessary but not both,
6) I have simple tastes otherwise, can cook for myself, won't need to buy much, etc.
7) The job is no more or less secure than any job so when it blows up I'll just say oh well and return to the US for a while,
8) I speak decent but not fluent Spanish (can function in an all-Spanish environment with maybe a few misunderstandings), just a little bit of French (can read menus and street signs and know basic phrases), and being an American I do speak a form of English as well, but nothing else.
9) Weather's gotta be decent. Constant extreme heat and humidity is a no-no, as is a constantly rainy climate.
Mongering goal would be as much as possible with any money left over, but at least one good session every week. I'd like to pick a town and stay there for at least a year.
Thoughts?
. . .Have you considered Hell?? No, check that. Extreme heat
. . . and seeing that you spend 25%+ of your budget on booze and weed, I think the no-car policy is wise. Just my opinion. What do I know . . .Good Luck -P
I still say Ethiopia. Ethiopia has one of the lowest GNP in the world. Ethiopian women love white men. Ethiopian women are beautiful. The cost of living there is cheap. The average person makes about $100 US dollars per month. You will live there like a king. And like I said eariler, 30,000 young prostitutes!
Guys,
my list on STR (that is Ho's...) based on personal experience,reading these stories and stories from friends and others. My "ratio" is composed with a few factors,such as: savety,price/quality comparison,availebility and personal likes(from me).
I could'nt make one for the whole world...so I devided it up for Europe,South-Ameria and Asia...as these are the well known sexdestinations in the world.
EUROPE:
1 Holland
2 Romania
3 Poland
4 Bulgaria
5 Germany
South-America:
1 Peru
2 Brasil
3 DR
4 Colombia
5 Costa Rica
Asia:
1 Thailand
2 Idonesia
3 China
4 The philipines
5 Cambodia
my two cents....
Johan.
ymmv.
Nice breakdown however I think you are overlooking one of the strongest sex markets currently in Europe- Spain! So many women from Latin America have been coming over it is unreal, not to mention that a country with a great tourism industry will indeed also have a sex industry on the side as well.
As for your choices in Latin America, surprised that you put Peru above Brazil and Dominican Republic?!!? What were you thinking, you must have had some really really great experience in Peru and are biased or something. ;)
Just read my trip reports about Lima then you know why!!!
Peru has many different kinds of women and CHEAP...Cheap...and save!!!!
Brasil can be some what pricey and very unsafe in certain cities.
DR is going rapidly DOWN HILL...overrated and overpriced.
Cuba is not even worth mentioning. Too expensive and too much hassle to get laid there:-(
Spain??? I know there are also many Russian ho's there as well....not my kindda cup of tea.
Maybe you are right about the SA chicks down there in Spain.
Johan.
PS: If there was a LIST of WORST places to go to look for SW I'd say this was my list
1 Iceland
2 Norway
3 Japan (too expensive and mostly not even availeble for non-japs...!!)
4 Barhein and all other arabian nations
5 USA.;-)
Canada has it hands down - especially Montreal. There is nothing else even close in the world.
If I were single I would move there or vacation there and learn to speak French and Fuck the Escorts until I dropped.
Where else in the world can you LEGALLY have at your beck and call astoundingly beautiful, intelligent, drug and disease free and very clean young women for as little as 140 Canadian per hours ( only about 85 US )??
Many will fuck you eagerly twice in that same hour making sure your pleasure is paramount. You can even refuse the girl at the door if she is not what you expect.
The same in the US costs 3 times as much and is not as good.
Dickhead,
PERTH, W.A, THE MAGICAL LAND OF OZ!
1) We have internet access everywhere, and it would be as reliable as yours is in the U.S.
2) You'd have over $AU3000 dollars a month seeing as the Oz dollar is worth so little against the greenback.
3) Housing is cheap, cheap, cheap here.
4) We have an excellent transport system that can take you to any corner of the city...and fast.
5) Booze and weed is cheap here, and there are plenty of friendly people who would love to help you smoke/drink it, should you feel the need for company! LOL
6) Our cost of living is lower than most of the other states.
7) Once you come here, you won't want to leave *grin*
8) Understanding an American is difficult, but not impossible. Learn to say "G'day", "No worries mate" and "Chuck us a tinny will ya, luv", and you'll fit right in.
9) We have some of the best weather in the world. And no snow...ever.
Mongering? In YOUR dollars, prices range from around $25 - $30 for a quickie, up to between $75 and $100 for the hour (depending whether you go private or to a brothel). Girls are clean, educated and friendly...and as a client you don't have to worry about police raids or entrapment (unless you cruise for street girls).
And there's ME!!! LOL
85 bucks for an escort? I went over there to Montreal and it does not match up to Europe. As for those 140 Canadian an hour escorts being gorgeous you have got to be kidding. I called a couple of them to my room and wanted to kiss them on the mouth and they both said no. I still prefer Parisian women to their Quebocoise counterparts, they seem more open and kind of make the move on you before you even say anything.
Yup Rub I quite agree but the only thing is, it's so blasted expensive to get there it'd eat up 2 months' salary even if I fly coach, which is miserable for 15 hours. I guess Perth'd be closer to 20 hours. Course I could always break the flight up with a stop in Thailand or Hong Kong. I do speak pretty good Australian; I don't confuse my tinnies with my stubbies even when they're buried in the Eskie and I would trade my fanny pack in for a bum bag.
What's the pot laws like? Do I risk a holiday at her majesty's expense? I know it's really hot there in the summer but what about the winter? I worry about me fair Celtic skin and all of that. Also please define "cheap" rent. I was lucky enough to hit Oz when your dollar was only worth 49 of my cents but I see it is now 53; guess I could live with that.
Maybe Oz March through Sep and Costa Rica Oct through Feb would work. Gotta keep chasing those frequent flyer miles (that's how I got there last time).
PS Dickhead ain't into quickies!
Dickhead,
I was just looking up a trip to San Diego the other day. The price ex-Perth was $1300 Oz dollars return, stopping in Sydney and at LAX (making it a 26 hour flight *groan*) I don't know what part of America you are in, but I can't see a one-way flight being too expensive. Or maybe it's only expensive from the US? Is there a way you could book a trip through an Oz airline and pay for it through an Australia agent? (via the net maybe?) I'm pretty naive about this stuff 'coz I've never flown in my life...so excuse me if I sound like a fool! LOL
The pot laws were actually relaxed in this state just a couple of months ago. It was decriminalised to a certain extent...there are certain amounts you can have for personal use that you don't get in trouble for, and other amounts that you will be fined for but receive no criminal record. Unless you are intending on having a huge hydroponics set-up in your spare room, you should be fine as far as the law goes.
Accomodation...you can get an apartment in the city for between $AU100 and $AU220 a week, depending on how flash you want it to be. The suburbs are much cheaper. For example, I live in a newly built 4 bedroom family home, 7 minutes from the CBD, and I pay $AU180 a week. My rent is quite expensive in comparison to many. I'd say the average for what you would need would cost about $US70 per week, close to the city.
Yes, our summers are very hot. Winter is pretty temperate...today we are all wearing jumpers and complaining that we haven't been this cold in ages, (I'm sitting in front of the heater), and it's 59 degrees farenheit! LOL Average winters day is about 65-75...no snow ever in Perth.
And don't forget....there's ME!!!! haha
Thanks, Rub. Yeah, that's pretty cheap. My mortgage is $1200 US per month and rental value of the house is just a little less. I remember being quite surprised that y'all have to pay rent weekly. It's normally monthly here unless you are staying in a hotel or a boarding house (BTW "flat" to a Yank = "apartment").
I had heard that you could get cheaper flights from Oz to US and back than vice versa (BTW "return" to a Yank is "round trip") so maybe I'll check it out. The fare probably relates to the country where you start out, though, or everybody would be doing it.
We have decriminalization in my state also: less than one ounce (28.3 grams) = $100 fine but can be higher for public use and such. > 1 oz < 6 oz = misdemeanor; > 6 oz = "possession with intent to sell" = felony. So I buy half an ounce at a time.
Oh well, this ain't a dope board but I do love to get high before sex so thanks for the info. Maybe we'll see you out there next year. I find it hard to believe you've never been to Sydney or Melbourne. I liked Sydney better even though Melbourne is arguably prettier (lovely gardens and such). I took the train from Melbourne to Sydney; that was a lot of fun.
Hey, you are beginning to sell me too on this idea of visiting Oz. How are fares from North Asia? Some frustrations and disappointments here although I did have luck last night. ;o)
I am getting math phobia here, if I have it straight the Aussie dollar is worth about a half dollar US right now. And RN is paying about $90 US per week for a newly built 4 bedroom home. (In my city of Boston that would not get you a parking spot) I am not confident I have it straight because Dickhead says plane tickets would cost him two months salery and at about $6oo round trip I hope thats not his full pay for two months...I am starting to like the Euro more all the time.
On the Montreal escorts,,,,,I get up to Montreal a couple of times a year. Montreal really is a great place for escorts and fun of all kinds. $85 US is possible, but spending just a few dollars more say $100 or $120 will dramatically improve you choices and quality. Also if you can manage to deal with the french language only services you get lots more for your money. Outcalls are legal so there is no risk of being arrested and that has made the bussiness much different than US escort services. The attitudes are friendly and many women will have sex twice in an hour at those prices, but you should agree to that ahead of time just to be sure. You can say exactly what you want because it is legal, no need for games. Street girls are also plentifull along Saint Catherine st. The prices start around $20 US, but thats not legal so be more carefull.
Amsterdam is much better known as a sex tourism destination because they have an adult shopping zone, but Montreal is a better value especially if you live within driving distance.
Brett: A roundtrip ticket for me in the Detroit area to Perth would run in the range of $1600USD for one of the cheaper roundtrips I can find quickly. I'm sure I could do a bit better if I look. On the other hand, if I take a look at Orbitz, I'll see prices in the $3200USD range, which might explain Dickhead's two-month statement (since elsewhere here he's defined his income as $1600 a month.)
I found Oz a marvelous place, would happily go back, and the sex tourist scene in Sydney, which is where I was, is relaxed and easy. Pricier than in SE Asia, cheaper than the US, beautiful country, nice people, and hey, heavenly weather especially if you're looking at it though the lens of what Boston, Detroit or Montreal look like around January...
JZ and Brett, the two months' salary (at $1600 US a month per my post as JZ noted) was a rough guesstimate based on the research I did before my prior trip. I just was on travelocity.com and saw $1600 "plus fees" for RT from my city to Perth so maybe my guess was on the high side (fortunately). That was on Singapore Air and I don't remember them being on my radar screen last time. I didn't read through all the restrictions since the fare was only good til Dec. '02 and I can't leave until Jan. '03. But, other times the cheapest fares have had restrictions that wouldn't work for me, like a 30 day max stay. However, the Singapore Air fare said 6 months max stay and I think that's all the longer you can legally stay there anyway. Frequent flyer miles is the way to go for these expensive flights and I "manufacture" miles by purchsing US Savings Bonds with my mileage earning credit card (among other schemes). I think maybe I can manufacture enough by next summer, which is their winter of course and that's when I'd want to go anyway.
Last Christmas I drove a truck for UPS for a few weeks to finance my travels so maybe I'll do that again this year although I hated it. Of course, if my housing costs here weren't so high I wouldn't have this problem.
Another option would be to drain my 401(k) and then make sure I drink myself to death at an early age. Oh wait a minute, it's already too late for me to die at an early age.
Oh, and to clarify, my salary isn't $1600 a month NOW. $1600 a month would be what I would be reduced to if I took the portable, "virtual" job I am contemplating. Even I'm not enough of a Dickhead to spend 25% of my pay on booze and weed on a permanent basis.
Dickhead,
Most people pay their rent fortnightly here (unless they're like me and pay it whenever they manage to get the cash! lol) I think we only refer to "weekly" rent because that's what the real estate agents quote in the To Let ads...in an attempt to make us forget about exactly how much we will be paying out over the month!
BTW..in Oz, flat = unit or "dogbox" (very cheap, poky little bedsit/one bedroom in a high rise block...often shared laundry facilities) and apartment = loft/studio/townhouse (basically a smaller version of a "real" family home, usually in a small complex of between 4 and 10).
Seoulmac,
Sorry honey, I have no idea about flights from anywhere else. But we are very close to many parts of Asia, and from what I understand, it's not at all expensive to fly there from here. (We can go to Bali for around $AU300 - $AU500). Not sure what the price is like ex-Asia though.
Seoulmac -- on a quick look, I see that flights from Seoul to Sydney run in the same general range as those from the US. Looks like there are probably some cheaper options, as I was able to find decent round-trips via JAL from Tokyo to New Zealand, and they promis lots of others as well.
Dickhead -- I agree on the frequent flier mile front; that's how I'm managing my upcoming Thailand trip, as the cost of the ticket is more than I'll pay for three months lodging (and is more than a month in a suite in the last hotel where I stayed in Bangkok.) I'm lucky enough to do enough travel work that the miles pile up so I can afford other trips for myself, cause I sure ain't rich.
What I need to do is manage another trip to Oz under my last circumstances -- I actually won a free trip via a record-store promotion. But that doesn't exactly fall into the "hold your breath" category of planning.
By the way...what's a 401(k)? I've heard people mention it before. Is it like superannuation (retirement fund)?
Yup, that's it, RN.
Thanx Joe. You'll have to excuse this 'lil dumb Aussie...my American ain't so good...
I've had my adventures mainly in Asia. But I'm getting tired of the scene. I was wondering where else (in the world) can I get more for my US dollars?
I have been adventuring mainly in the Philippines and Thailand. Chiefly due to the currency conversion.
Does anyone have any information about other courtries (in Latina America or EU) where my US dollars will go far?
hmmm... hi friends.
I have not been visiting this thread for a while, and now I find that "what country has the Best Women for Short Time Relation" are discussing cost of renting houses in Australia. Does this mean that RN has been selected the best STR, although none of you have met each other yet LOL
I'm sorry - just could not help myself... Just had a nice dinner and a few glasses of Australian wine.. so my mood is good..
continue the friendly discussion he he he,,,
LOL! Hiya Marconista! Long time no see!
Best STR?? Well hopefully, one day, at least ONE of these guys will take a trip Down Under and let you all know whether or not that's true!!! (A steady stream of men with foreign accents...ohhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhh) ;)
Hi RN, I like the sound of Australia and I will take a visit (maybe even visit you if you are available, hehe.) I would visit Sydney and other cities. An Aussie friend of mine said that it is much more difficult to gain residency in Sydney than a more mellow city like Brisbane. She also says that the older you are, the more difficult. I am 30years old going on to 31 in April 6. Perhaps if I want into this country bad enough I will settle there. Any place is better than New York and I'm not just complaining about the women. The weather totally sucks and it is very indecisive in the winter. You have a hot 93 degree day then the following week it drops to 23 degrees and snows. You also have terrorism, stress, and worst of all, the standard of living is expensive. In fact, I live in one of my parent's apartments. Yes, they would have been millionaires if they didn't pay 1 million and a half for an apartment complex which went down in value due to 9/11. I also checked out other places in America but the women still stick in other states.
I like a place with friendly women who love having a good time and think nothing of religious values. I am planning to go to Australia the second week of June. perhaps you can e-mail me your information at [email]darkseid1998@yahoo.com[/email].
Thanks
Hi All;
Since this thread seems to focus on Australia, I thought I'd add my two cents.
I was in Oz in June '02 and had a great time. Started in Sydney and then spent a few days driving up to Surfer's Paradise.
My arrival was interesting. The customs seemed much more focused on stopping illegal fruits and veggies than drugs or terrorists. I was given a card warning me about fruits and veggies on the plane and saw several more signs in the terminal. My bag was also sniffed by a "fruits and veggies" customs dog.
I was also thrown but a question from the customs officer: "Do you have a criminal record?" I wasn't aware that you still needed one to get into the country.
Whistle
Responding to the original question...
Disclosure:
I prefer easy access (in-town legal brothels best), a wide selection to choose from, fair-skinned and slender girls with laid-back personality, low cost, and daytime availability.
Countries:
10. Japan. Very expensive. You can't even get in their pants if you're a foreigner, usually have to settle for mechanical hand job.
9. United States. Very expensive. Almost always have to deal with intermediary (escort service, bartender). Girls often come with attitude.
8. Costa Rica. Horrendous bright red lipstick, but inexpensive and often with latin passion.
7. Turkey. Good widespread system of brothels, but quality is poor, often fat.
6. Mexico. Women usually dumpy. But except in resorts, cheap, laid back and pleasant to talk to.
5. Spain. The most beautiful women in the world to look at. But sex bars are smokey, call girls are pricey.
4. France. The sexiest women in the world to be with. Getting harder to find them on the street and they're expensive.
3. Philippines. Really laid back, want to please you, inexpensive, easy to find. Not great looks but there are some cuties.
2. Holland. You want a well-organized brothel system with plenty of attractive white women, go to Amsterdam.
And the country with the Best Women for STR...
1. Thailand. LOADS of attractive pleasant fair-skinned young-looking women. Easy to find, inexpensive, pick and choose your favorite, and they are gentle and respectful. (Damn, I wish it didn't cost so much to fly over there!)
Argen FUCKEN tina!
DupepV, Don't forget South America. Both Brazil and Argentina has the best looking women and the best sex. I loved both countries equally anltohough some might like Brazil over Argentina or vice versa. However, I only stayed in Argentina for a few days on my way to Bahia where there are the best looking black women. They even look better than the African black women because they are mixed. Brazil also offers white women if you go to Rio de Janeiro. Asian women fans, sorry, there are none in Brazil but I love Brazilian women anyway because I had a lot of Asian pussy in my early years. For ASIAN women Thailand would be best and second Phillipines. I agree with you that Japan sucks because of the racism there (even against the Chinese!!). Chinese women were more willing to accomodate me when I was there but when my black friend to a brothel went with me to Beijing, they didn't want to do him until I intervened so there is racism in some parts of China too but not in Hong Kong.
Well the problem with this thread is that there are many people who post on it, but frankly they have not been to enough places in the world for a respectable assessment.
In addition I personally think knowbody has a right to post on this thread until they have been to Argentina and Brazil.
So IMHO. Brazil and Argentina are in a league all on there own.
Octaron, your point is well taken. I have been to 30 countries and mongered on 5 continents and I say Argentina but I have only been to one little town in Brazil on the Amazon (but did monger) and have not been to Thailand or the other SE Asian mongering destinations (only Hong Kong). Thus I will rate the countries in which I have substantial mongering experience, in order.
1) Argentina (value equals quality divided by price)
2) Costa Rica (just good clean fun)
3) Australia (high quality but antiseptic)
4) Colombia (smoking hot but dangerous)
5) Hong Kong (great but expensive)
6) Spain (also great, also expensive)
7) The Netherlands (highly commercialized)
8) Mexico (girls watch TV during sex)
9) New Zealand (some uglies)
10) Belgium (snotty)
11) France (snottier)
12) Canada (some LE stings; have not mongered in French Canada)
489) Jamaica (pushy and thieving)
853) The Bahamas (pushy, thieving, and fat)
4,987,243) United States
The United States women, regular and prostitutes, yucko!!!
Hi RN,
I have trouble getting cheap tickets to Australia. Plane tickets range from $2000 up because of the distance and the transfering flights. What time of year can I go where plane tickets are the lowest and what price will I expect to pay. $2000 is more than the price to go to China (I paid $1500 to a trip to Hong Kong and another $350 to a trip to Beijing from Hong Kong).
[QUOTE]Originally posted by octatron
[i]In addition I personally think knowbody has a right to post on this thread until they have been to Argentina and Brazil.
So IMHO. Brazil and Argentina are in a league all on there own. [/i][/QUOTE]
octatron;
Just curious .. have you been to Thailand? Not questioning your choices, just want to know if they are above the Asian countries in your opinion. I've been to many places, but never Brazil or Argentina. My top pick would be Thailand hands down right now. I don't have a clear 2nd right now .. possibly Phillipines. I have been to Australia, Canada, Phillipines, China, Hong Kong\Macau, Japan, and all over the US (including Hawaii). I have been to Europe, but did not partake nearly enough to make a judgement there. I must say, that with the pure number of women available in Thailand and all of the variety .. Soapies, Massage Parlors, Escorts, Freelancers, Specialty shops, Hotel Girls, Beer Garden and other pickup places, Karaoke Places, High Class Establishments, Pool\Beer Bars, etc. etc. etc. I can imagine that Brazil and Argentina might rival it, but could not exceed BKK in quantity, variety, and quality. Look forward to your answer.
Yes I have been to Thailand but not Bangkok. I've been to Pattaya, Koi Samoi, and Phuket. I've mongered in all three. Of course I understand you can't compare these three places to Bangkok.
I've also mongered in Philippines, China (Hong Kong), Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Vietnam.
So I feel I’m qualified to compare Asians to Latina. I do agree that Asians women are accustomed to pleasing their partner or client it’s their culture. But for me Latin girls are just better fucking machines, and you are hurting yourself if you don’t go to South America, Central America, one of the Latin Caribbean islands or Spain.
For me there is no comparison.
I think I actually place Brazil just a notch above Argentina on the best sex in the world ranking. But Argentina pound for pound is the best place to go I believe. IMHO.
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.... Now this is the kind of report a MAN can use. Brotha, you get it. If you get a chance, I would like to read the extended version report, of your list. Sounds like you have a "REPORT" that the Brotha's of the WSG need to READ .
....... I WILL BE CHECKING BACK LATER FOR YOUR REPORT, and I will be alerting the Brotha's to look for your reports.
.... (((( WORD )))) ....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
[i]Octaron, your point is well taken. I have been to 30 countries and mongered on 5 continents and I say Argentina but I have only been to one little town in Brazil on the Amazon (but did monger) and have not been to Thailand or the other SE Asian mongering destinations (only Hong Kong). Thus I will rate the countries in which I have substantial mongering experience, in order.
1) Argentina (value equals quality divided by price)
2) Costa Rica (just good clean fun)
3) Australia (high quality but antiseptic)
4) Colombia (smoking hot but dangerous)
5) Hong Kong (great but expensive)
6) Spain (also great, also expensive)
7) The Netherlands (highly commercialized)
8) Mexico (girls watch TV during sex)
9) New Zealand (some uglies)
10) Belgium (snotty)
11) France (snottier)
12) Canada (some LE stings; have not mongered in French Canada)
489) Jamaica (pushy and thieving)
853) The Bahamas (pushy, thieving, and fat)
4,987,243) United States [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by octatron
[i]Yes I have been to Thailand but not Bangkok.
So I feel I’m qualified to compare Asians to Latina. But for me Latin girls are just better fucking machines, and you are hurting yourself if you don’t go to South America, Central America, one of the Latin Caribbean islands or Spain. [/i][/QUOTE]
Nice to know, although I have had Latina women who said they were from Brazil and did not see any difference in performance from any of the other top countries. Also had a couple of mediocre performances. That's why I was wondering. Just seemed like it was really hit and miss in BA (based on the postings on the BA board) and I've never had a bad experience in BKK in the last 6 years. Could just be luck, but have not had the urge to fix what ain't broke. Thanks for your input though. I may make the stop in BA, during one of my West Coast ventures. Thanks!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WORDUP
[i].
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.... Now this is the kind of report a MAN can use. Brotha, you get it. If you get a chance, I would like to read the extended version report, of your list. Sounds like you have a "REPORT" that the Brotha's of the WSG need to READ .
....... I WILL BE CHECKING BACK LATER FOR YOUR REPORT, and I will be alerting the Brotha's to look for your reports.
.... (((( WORD )))) .... [/i][/QUOTE]
Word, I am strictly white bread but I did post an extensive report in the Buenos Aires section recently (day by day). I've also posted in Costa Rica, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta), Australia, and The Netherlands within I think the past year or two.
HOWEVER and unfortunately, I don't think they too much favor the brothers in Argentina. I actually stopped dating one chick down there because of some racist shit she kept saying and I heard some more anti-black crap later as well. They are also prejudiced against the indigenous people (i.e., "Indians") and in fact use the term "indio" or "india" as a synonym for stupid.
All I can do about this is apologize. From my experience, the brothers will do a bit better in some other places besides my favorite, Argentina. I have heard and been told that black is a very popular color in Australia. That is good because the sun there fried my narrow pink ass to a crisp and all y'all might be able to deal with that a bit better!
Peace,
Dick
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rastaman
[i]Dickhead,
I'm a brotha...and I have been going to Buenos Aires since '91...I had to turn away 'hotties'...When I go to Black or Playwomen the girlz approach me...the same thing applies to regular clubs, discos & bars in BA....
I'm sure there are racist girlz in BA...but I am so busy with the 'hotties' that I don't notice them :) [/i][/QUOTE]
Good. Glad to hear it.
Yeah I'm a black dude (a handsome one at that ha, ha) and I went to Buenos Aires expecting a lot of "I hate black people" attitudes. I just figured if they hate me, they hate me. But I didn't run into anything stupid. I did get a lot of stares because I hooked up with a girl off of Amigos.com and when we went out people really looked. The first internet girl I met was named Sandy; I see that she is really popular on the boards. When I first talked to her on the phone I told her I was a black dude basically asking if she had a problem with that. She was like of course not and moved on to coming to my hotel. I think that what has happened there is that some people will say one thing to a white person and turn around and do another when it comes to money. The same white woman there will say oh "I hate black people", and turn around a suck a black man's dick if the money is right. Also for a lot of the women who hate black guys, that changes when the economy goes all to hell and you can't even eat a decent meal. I actually think it's funny. I've met black women that hate black men, who will only date white men so you never know. Argentina is off the hook when it comes to cheap, quick pussy though. The only thing that I didn't like (which being a black man might explain) is that the women were not thick enough for me. I don't like thin chicks at ALL, and I had a hard time finding thick women there. Even in Rio I kept meeting all of these thin chicks. For example, I read somewhere on WSG about black women in North America and black women in South America came from different regions of Africa and that is why their shapes are a little different. I don't know but I've had a hard time finding the voluptious, thick hipped, fat ass women in either city. I've had a couple but not many. So that is my complaint more than anything. That is why I don't like Asian women too much. I don't care about skin color or racial makeup I just need fat titties and a fat ass. Peace.
phil, you might find thick black women in germany and holland because europe imports women from all over the world. i don't really like thick women but i saw an entire block of them in the red light district in amsterdam which is the block near the old church. they also tend to be aggressive because there is less of a market for the thick women there than thin women but they are still made available because holland understands that some guys do like them.
dominican republic also has a good mix of thick and thin women. in fact my black travel companion likes thick booties and boobies while i prefer thin women. we both found our respective tastes in women in dominican republic and europe. he was disappointed in our trip to brazil and thailand because brazillian and thai chicks tend to be thinner.
never go to las vegas for thick women! although there are thick women a plenty, they have bad attitudes, mechanical sex, and charge five times the amount of money.
as far as the hate situation goes in south america, it's probably peer pressure but they have a deep down curiosity for cocks from other countries. if they really hate you, they don't get violent about it like they do here in america. they just leave you alone unless you offer them money to have sex with you. in america, i was attacked so many times just for being chinese. a black girl who was a racist even sent his boyfriend and his 8 groupies (2 hispanics, one token white guy, and five other black guys) to attack me on the subway just because i'm chinese (they obviously hate asians because there were no asians among them)!! i didn't even provoke the fight and i was just sitting there minding my own business but the bitchy girl sent the 9 guys to approach me and start throwing things at me. i then found myself fighting 9 people at once and i came out of the fight with a few bruises. it would have been worse if i didn't know martial arts to hold them off until the cops showed up. i travel to brazil many times and stay for 2 weeks to a month and never gotten into this situation, even in the poor areas called the fevelas which are reputed to be the most dangerous parts of brazil. i bet you probably got into a few brawls yourself just for being black because that is the violent mentality of this country when it comes to racism.
Phil,
I'm a little suprised about brazil. Aren't the known for their azzes. Maybe it's a regional thing. So what are the top countries for "thick " women?
1. D.R.?
2. Nigeria?
9 vs. 1, what a bunch of pussies.
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HEY D.H. ....
>>>> Excuse me if I find it hard to call you by your user name, but for me it is, so D.H. will have to do.
>>>> .... I dig your post, and I appreicate the detail, and the right to the point nature of them.
.... Well Arengtina is NOT the place to be for anyone, other than the KKK. Thanks for the heads up. I can't deal with Racist of anykind, especially when it is a part of the culture .... much like in Japan.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
[i]Word, I am strictly white bread but I did post an extensive report in the Buenos Aires section recently (day by day). I've also posted in Costa Rica, Mexico (Puerto Vallarta), Australia, and The Netherlands within I think the past year or two.
HOWEVER and unfortunately, I don't think they too much favor the brothers in Argentina. I actually stopped dating one chick down there because of some racist shit she kept saying and I heard some more anti-black crap later as well. They are also prejudiced against the indigenous people (i.e., "Indians") and in fact use the term "indio" or "india" as a synonym for stupid.
All I can do about this is apologize. From my experience, the brothers will do a bit better in some other places besides my favorite, Argentina. I have heard and been told that black is a very popular color in Australia. That is good because the sun there fried my narrow pink ass to a crisp and all y'all might be able to deal with that a bit better!
Peace,
Dick [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
[i]I have heard and been told that black is a very popular color in Australia. [/i][/QUOTE]
What can I say? HELL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :)
[quote]originally posted by darkseid
[i]phil, you might find thick black women in germany and holland because europe imports women from all over the world. i don't really like thick women but i saw an entire block of them in the red light district in amsterdam which is the block near the old church. they also tend to be aggressive because there is less of a market for the thick women there than thin women but they are still made available because holland understands that some guys do like them.
dominican republic also has a good mix of thick and thin women. in fact my black travel companion likes thick booties and boobies while i prefer thin women. we both found our respective tastes in women in dominican republic and europe. he was disappointed in our trip to brazil and thailand because brazillian and thai chicks tend to be thinner.
never go to las vegas for thick women! although there are thick women a plenty, they have bad attitudes, mechanical sex, and charge five times the amount of money.
as far as the hate situation goes in south america, it's probably peer pressure but they have a deep down curiosity for cocks from other countries. if they really hate you, they don't get violent about it like they do here in america. they just leave you alone unless you offer them money to have sex with you. in america, i was attacked so many times just for being chinese. a black girl who was a racist even sent his boyfriend and his 8 groupies (2 hispanics, one token white guy, and five other black guys) to attack me on the subway just because i'm chinese (they obviously hate asians because there were no asians among them)!! i didn't even provoke the fight and i was just sitting there minding my own business but the bitchy girl sent the 9 guys to approach me and start throwing things at me. i then found myself fighting 9 people at once and i came out of the fight with a few bruises. it would have been worse if i didn't know martial arts to hold them off until the cops showed up. i travel to brazil many times and stay for 2 weeks to a month and never gotten into this situation, even in the poor areas called the fevelas which are reputed to be the most dangerous parts of brazil. i bet you probably got into a few brawls yourself just for being black because that is the violent mentality of this country when it comes to racism. [/i][/quote]
sad to read about your 9 to1 situation darkseid...how long ago did that happen?all i can say is people who do that are just a bunch of fucking cowards. stay strong man!
This 9 to 1 situation happened last year on the subway in Brooklyn while I was on my way home from work. It seems that if each of them were alone they would not do a thing because by themselves, they know they are weak but in a huge group like that they think they can get away with throwing things at people and making racial slurs at them.
Latina girls are the best!!!
Yo can find a variety and a mixture of races, blondes, brunnettes, mestizas, indians, black, etc....
Peru has most of that kind of girls, but mostly are mestizas or indians. Prices are chep (in some cases extremely cheap!), and the country is pretty safe and touristic.
Argentina is also a good country, and actually, with the crises, prices has fallen down! But the girls are normally of european origin, so there are less variety of them.
If you like black girls with huge bottoms, you have to go to cuba or DR!!
In Spain there are also a great variety! And now (last stadistics!) there are over 300.000 pros working!! I think is the best westerner country o find variety!! A lot of colombianas, brazilians, and east europe girls are working in different huges clubs!!
Incaroca, I agree with you 100%. Latina women are the best lovers on the planet. Forget Asian women. They are amateurs compared to Latina women. Even European women are better than Asian women (except Phillipinas but Phillipinas are part Latina in origin as well. I guess that's how they became so good at lovemaking over the rest of the Asians.) However, the WORST of the lovers are definitely American women, hands down. In fact they have so little sex that they don't know what to do in bed.
Okay, Latina vs. Asian? I've been with many of both, and have had good and bad experiences with both. The best sexual partner I've ever had was Chinese. She was into experimentation so I got to try some of the wackiest shit I fantasized about. Best thing was, she was not a pro, I shoot blanks, and I was her first, so, since there were no diseases to worry about, there was no need for a translator :-)
I will admit, that, since I was very young, I have been attracted to asian women more than any one else. Currently I'm on a Thai trip due to a recent, excellent vacation.
BTW, do a video search on Kazaa for 'alayla'. My vote for best Women for STR goes to whatever ethnicity the two chicks in that video are.
Although I think it really depends on the girl and the relationship between the 2 of you, I can agree with the poster who like Chinese the best.
I knew one Chinese who could squeeze you with her pussy so hard that your nuts would fall off, and she could keep doing it over and over.
I've been searching for that ever since, but it must be a physical skill not related to race or ethnicity.
I guess, its more to do with, the grass is greener on the other side, everywhere, we go we can find the contrast in charector, its not definetely with perticular place but with individual women and how we treat them, its more to do with money. South American and Asian women, have more basic needs to fulfill than American or European women. It will be hard to get an American women with same trick and ease than to get an Asian women. It is only the money difference I feel which makes it, I have read in WSG how an Asian women come to America and within a month her outlook is changed. Its money money money, not idealism or anything.
I would go with Latinas. They fuck like bunnies over and over. When I am in Honduras with a pro. After I have shot my wad they want to go again.
Hello
Latin girls rule, they are in in a class of their own.
They have a better attitude and looks, if you prefer dark or brunettes.
They work hard for the money and are more passionate.
I have tried most nationalities several times, but nobody is better than the girls from South America.
William
While I'm a frequent visitor to South America. I've been to Argentina 6 times in the last year. I would only give it maybe a 4 on my list. The top, goes to someplace that hardly anyone ever talks about. I'd prefer to keep it that way since it hasn't been overrun yet. But for beauty, attitude, quantity and value I rate Scotland as my number one by a long shot. But it's only good if you like blondes and the western standard of beauty, tall thin with big tits.
Just got back,
I agree. I honestly thought that I was about the only one on the WSG to have discovered Scotland so far and I've only been to Edinburgh and their famous saunas (e.g. London Street, Blair Street, etc.) I've heard that Glasgow is even better in terms of action. Where have you been and what would you recommend in terms of cities, establishments, etc.??? Am planning a return trip in the fall.
I also like Scotland as a great place to travel in addition to the SW's. The cities, culture, music, history and general friendliness of the people is world class IMHO.
I also believe that we don't have to worry about the place being overwhelmed with punters. For some reason, Scotland just doesn't seem to catch on. I also go to Prague a lot and would have to rate Edinburgh very close to it in terms of SW's, culture and old world ambience.
Thanks for your observations. I thought that I was the only one on the WSG to have noticed the place.
Scottish women? I think their trade mark is red hairs. Apart from that they do looked like Scandinavians. That's not common but I did saw a very blond Scandinavians waitressing in a Glasgow seafood restaurant. I guess she must be local, otherwise why go there? Her hair color may be natural. British girls don't dye their hairs that much, at least not obviously Scandinavian blond color. A lot have dark hairs. Need some expert here.
English girls are taller in the south. But still the Scots are tall. Slimmer in the cold north.
The economy is never good there. Those who can go down south. Those who can't at least go to Edinburgh or Glasgow. The two major urban centers. A lot of drugs and SW. Glasgow at the west coast is worse. But with some welfare the price will never be like central/eastern europe.
Best FSU place to visit from base in Switzerland?
- Hi guys - I will be in Swizterland later in the month and while I hear that it is a beautiful place, I'll be there for 4 days, there are other nice Euro places also within a 1-3 hour (@$300) flight away for maybe 4 days also.
I'm thinking of places like Croatia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Belarus, etc. Been to Hungary before, Prague sounds nice but kind of pricey, how about Odessa? So, some place cheap, nice, not so touristy, slightly exotic, with yes lovely ladies....
Yes, this is a random request but I'd be happy to learn of some of your secret/favorite places out there....
Thanks!
I have hunted in Thailand, Philipines, Mayaysia, Indonesia, Las Vagas, Reno, LA, Prague, Budapest, Australia, NZ, Hong Kong, Macau and China. Without doubt, southern China at the moment is the greatest show. The women are prettier than Thais and they are not all that more expensive. The worst is Budapest.
However, it is harder to fill in the non F****** times than compared to Thailand for example.
Manonsonboy,
Yes, I agree with your assessment of Budapest. The place was one huge rip-off it seemed and all of the establishments were run by the Russian Mafia. Girls hustling you for $100 per drink and if you object a couple of 300 lb. goons show-up all of a sudden. Had some success with lobby girls in hotels but they wanted a lot of money. Also, English is not real common there and communicating with the girls was problematic.
At the other end of the spectrum, I'd have to recommend Edinburgh Scotland. Had a great time with SW's and non-pros alike. Great city too.
Paddy
Funnily, I was in Edinburgh recently but did not get the chance to hunt. Where did you do it?
Manonsanboy,
There are many places in Edinburgh. You can check them out on *********.com. The best places are Blair Street Sauna, London Street Sauna and Scorpio Sauna. BTW, BBBJ's are the norm in Edinburgh.
Also had a great time going to the pubs and striking up conversations with the local girls. The liked my American "accent" and were very curious about Yanks.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by manonsanboy
[i]......Macau and China. Without doubt, southern China at the moment is the greatest show. The women are prettier than Thais and they are not all that more expensive. The worst is Budapest.
However, it is harder to fill in the non F****** times than compared to Thailand for example. [/i][/QUOTE]
I'd say MAC is better because during non-puntering time, one can hang out in the Casinos :) a hidden gem is Sofia,Bulgaria. Need to have a local punter guide you around if one does not know russian or bulgarian.
I'm used to Philippines, Cambodia and Thailand. What can you recommend for a similar experience that's close to the UK?
Thanks.
Brazil, Argentina, Panama, Thailand.
Anybody been all over Eastern Europe who can give the best EE destination?
This is a comment in reply to Brandon, not generally true for everybody. First you have to know yourself. If you like the western standard of beauty, you narrowed down your destinations a lot. However, shouldn't everyone try at least the 'one night in Bangkok' experience. It could be life altering and there's a song for it.
If you can mingle with the backpacking crowd, some do that up to late 30's, you should try a bit of that too. There are a lot of Australians (and others) in say Bali. You can live cheap there for long and you can get the Indonesians girls as well as the Australians for free, or a few cigarettes. If you do a bus tour in Europe, you can sample the girls and get some Australians for free. It could be fun. I had Israeli girl right out of army training camp. An Australian catholic girl who didn't miss any chance to do things that she wouldn't do back home, even when her girl friend is on the other twin bed. Northern European girls, who likes black hair, always think that you treat them too well, but whatever you do in bed it would be boring to them. And quite a few of all nationalities venture into the Thai, Burma (old name), Chinese border where you can afford virgins. And I don't know exactly why all tickets to India was sold out. Northern Indian girls are very pale while Sicilian girls are rather dark in comparison.
The other is your budget. If I were loaded I would go to Seoul, where the art of loving making is still very much alive. But I don't. Australia won't be cheap. London probably better with more choices, including Australians, Eastern Europeans and vast numbers of British girls.
If you are not that adventurous and price is your concern, the usual choice is Bangkok and Argentina. I don't think your priority is Thais so Argentina is likely your choice. Whatever you do you have to do some research. Compare price of pussy and living expenses. WSG is a good source but be sure to compare apple with apple. The US state department or CIA has interesting fact sheets about every country. Argentina is 85% Spanish and Italian decedents. Indeed Latin American is similar with varying percentages. However, factor in that the other 15% is more likely that you will encounter if you go for bargain basement, and that a lot of working girls are from neighboring countries.
Thank you Tall,
I AM looking for western standard beauty. I have been to Thailand. I like the prices and some of the women but not the majority. I'm looking for a place to find caucasians. I know Australia has many asians but still many white girls. My budget is a large concern but not the biggest concern. I'm not considering Argentina. So between Australia and Europe, where would you go? Where does the American dollar go the furthest?
The trick is to know where the some that you want and the others that you don't. In BKK, even if you are blind you can ask anyone who offers their guide service for a 'good' girlfriend. In Europe it would be more difficult to get a good price for the type of girls you want without doing research. Price is always best in Eastern Europe, Russia, Prague and Moscow, if you know how to avoid the tourist traps. Plenty of other places but these two are the easy ones if you are not that adventurous.
Personally I don't have any one good reason to go to Australia. For anyone that who don't want to be tourist, London is the best. Enough variety of people on the streets in central London that you will feel at home. Unlimited number of girls to choose from. Internet is a reasonable hunting ground with lots of reviews but only tip of the iceberg and you don't get the best price online. Being in Europe, London has also a lot of Eastern European girls to choose from at a lower price.
Price is not all but actually it is for most people. To give you some idea. In London you get an attractive native girl for US$200 an hour. If you are lucky, include passionate kiss and orgasm. More model looks British can cost you like $500 via the internet, who could do less. Buenos Aires US $50 (to less than $100 an hour), $200 over night, for attractive club girls. Roughly the same for a so so girl from china in Hong Kong via the internet - no way you can do overnight as these girls are high volume girls. Prague girls $600 to $700 over night internet price. For any girls if you tip them 20% to 50% they will go all out for you. The tip in some places can get you a model in another. And I don't know how long is your long trip.
I would have to agree with you Paddy. Although I have lived in Edinburgh all my life, I have travelled most of the UK and you just cant get better.
I especially recommended are Blair Street, New Town and Scorpio.
London Street is popular almost universally but I can't say I like it myself.
Blair street however always seem to produce one total SUPERSTAR every couple of years and I have to say its been my privelige to have known more than one.
New town has always been dependable and the safe choice as long as theres a local lass on but to be honest you cant ever go too far wrong here.
Prague is however on my list of places I need to visit.
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What country have you seen that has the best success for getting anal action?
Thanks
What country have you seen that has the best success for getting anal action?
Also can you listed what countries you have visited?
Thanks
Best success will be in cultures where anal is part of the normal sex. That will not be in the far east or south east Asia. Either these girls aren't even skilled in oral, or they are so well trained that there are enough dazzling variety that you don't need another entrance. With mussle control it doesn't make a difference where you are, except for the sight of it.
My guess will be India, Egypt, and Pakistan, where the former two have more tourist friendly or back packing friendly cities.
I don't know about the culture but Latin America seemed to be the sure thing. In BA, Argentina, all the girls except for the club girls would turn around when asked, with or without advanced agreement. Half the club girls would do it.
[i]"My guess will be India, Egypt, and Pakistan, where the former two have more tourist friendly or back packing friendly cities."[/i]
It is a personal thing, not a cultural thing. Many in EZE,GIG have been Greek friendly than in the countries you mention :) Having said that, MAC is a good place to be.
Culture has something to do with what the majority of people do or don't.
While mongering at Campo in Curacao, I met a couple of guys who worked on an oil tanker - delivering oil, gas and jet fuel throughout the Carribean - various island nations, Panama, Columbia, Venezuela, Jamaica, DR, Cuba, etc. When in port, they would monger like crazy for 2-3 days. They all agreed that Cuba was the best place to monger on their travels around the Carribean. They said that when they would come into port in Cuba, everyone would throw either themselves or their wives/daughters at them for some cash.
One guy said that even the port director offered up his cute early 20s-something daughter to him - the three of them went back to their house, he did a couple of shots with the port director/dad in the kitchen, and then banged the heck out of his daughter on their bed. Don't remember what he paid, but whatever it was, it was more than the port director made in a month (maybe $30-50). Great story though.
I have never been there. I have heard all about the asian scene too (Thai, Phil, HK, etc), but never been there either. But I have been to Brazil and told them I thought it would blow Cuba away. (But having seen some of the photos in the Cuba gallery, I am not so sure now). Also, I want to give BA a try some time. But, how many of the hotties in BA are actually imports from southern Brazil? After all, southern Brazil was settled mostly by immigrants from Italy, Germany, Spain, and eastern Europe. And if the gals don't head to Rio or SP to seek fame and fortune, do they hit BA instead?
Thanks for the responds guys. However I don't undestand what's MAC, EZY, or Gig means. I am thinking of going either SouthAmerica or the Russian states. Between the two locations what would you say is the better of the two for anal sex?
PS: The Russian women are all like Playboys models. However if performance isn't up to par it's meaningless.
If you want anal go to Brazil. Down there it's considered normal sex. Nothing special.
EZE is Burenos Airs airport, GIG Rio, Brazil. MAC isn't an airport that I checked. Could be Macau but there's no point if you are not a high roller that Vegas try hard to lure you from there. In Venetian I think there are 5 or more Chinese cable channels.
For what it is worth MAC is Macon Georgia (U.S.) which is not high on my list of mongering opportunities.
Brazil or Argentina? Hmmm, easy decision. DO BOTH!
Go to www.varig.com, click AMERICAS, INTERNET FARES, and BUENOS AIRES, and you can get a triangle fare from NY, LA or MIAMI to BA with a free stopover in RIO or SP, for about the same price most people pay for one or the other. Great airline, safe, clean, on time, in general.
I have been both places many times and frankly it's a tossup, unless you like black and mixed race girls, in which case you must go to Rio. Argentina is very caucasian. Brazilians are also more open-minded if you are looking for something kinky.
I would like to visit either central or south America in late March or April and would like to ask you guys which country would fit my list of needs. I have read a lot of good things on this form about Argentina, Costa Rica and Peru but the exchange rate for these countries dont seem to be nearly as good as Columbia or Chile. I would also like to know the best web sites to get the lowest airfares to central,south America from the western US.
1. A country that has hot beautiful working girls that are very cheap(20-50 dollars all day or all night action)
2. One in which the ladies(both working and regular ladies)are crazy for white American men for GFE.One in which it is very easy to get dates at bars,malls,discos,coffee shops etc.
3. The country that has the best airfares from western US.
4. Cheap lodging.
This is a great form and you guys have given me a lot of very useful info.Thanks for all the great help you guys give!
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Brazil and Argentina are two of the best places in the world to meet women. You'll do well in both. Women in both countries are beautiful although I have heard Brazilian women tend to be more sexual than Argentinian ladies.
For Short Term, nothing beats China.
best ST places (so far. I'll leave for Colombia, Equador and Peru in a few days for the first time...)
1)Kenya. love their looks, so many girls available, many good places to hunt and it is free or very cheap
2)Cambodia. abundance of extremely cheap good looking girls. And both cambodians and vietnamese to choose from
3)Thailand, although it is getting worse now year by year
4)mozambique, very cute women
5)ethiopia. possibly the most gorgeous women in the world but the girls are quite lame in bed and addis is not the nightlife capital of the world
6)Philippines, best looking of the south east asian women.
7)Russia. milky white skin and so cute faces. but it is too expensive
But I guess after a few months in South America the above list will look somewhat different
CBGBConnisur,
[quote]Brazil and Argentina are two of the best places in the world to meet women. You'll do well in both. Women in both countries are beautiful although I have heard Brazilian women tend to be more sexual than Argentinian ladies.[/quote]
You are right about that, I totally agree.
I have tried a number of Brazilian chicas and without exception they were amongst the best sessions I have had. If trying anal was a “test”, then 90% of my Brazilian chicas passed compared to 45% non-Brazilian.
Regards, Havanaman
Personally speaking Carneval is the best time to visit Brazil, especially Rio, any single man who goes there during Carneval will never return the same. Its simply that amazing. Also Sao Paulo is another excellent city to visit. There are a few places in the South that have a lot of blondes.
Gentlemen,
I've been enjoying girls in 4 continents (missing Oceania so far) and here are my conclusions
Eastern Europe: definitely the worldwide top in terms of beauty. Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, former Czechoslovakia, Poland, former Yugoslavia ... simply unbelievable. Stunning beauty combined with the sexiest attitude. Men fall in love like flies. Long legs, high butts, slim bodies, generous tits, perfect faces, dream-lips and mouths... all in one, with many of them! Excellent oral skills as a general rule, although they tend to be somehow passive when they are being fucked. Their men are zero, rude, rough, no least dating skills, up to vodka all the time, and that's definitely an advantage for ... the others!. Add to the pros their high degree of education and their talent for languages. The cons? They tend to be too materialistic. Everything - especially sex and love - is evaluated in terms of cash. A prospective western passport is in the number of their most genuine motivations. I can understand that after their growing up in the squallor of communism, but to Westerners it is often beyond the acceptable level of decency. Moreover, their idea of faithfullness is not the one common in many countries. This gives rise to a terrific percentage of divorces. Pairs western man + eastern girl don't work in the long term. But for STR, wow, nothing better available.
Asia: they are mostly just cute, not really stunning, they can't compete in terms of beauty with EE, but they overweight it through their unique dedication to the man and his pleasure. They are unbeatable in terms of sex technicalities - especially the Chinese. Remember that Wally Simpson was educated in a Hong Kong brothel, that's why the poor king got really crazy with her and ultimately gave up for her nothing but the UK crown ;-) Moreover, we Westerners have a "gift" that happens to be oversized compared to the one available with the local men ;-) and of course this is a plus they do definitely appreciate. They are easy and quick to get wet, easy to get orgasms, even pros, have a very sweet attitude, they can be your little sex slave and feel happy for the attention you give them!! The cons? Very different languages, educations, cultures, mentalities, very hard to understand each other, wonder if it's really an issue within a STR frame ...
Latin America: a combination of EE and Asia, somewhere in the middle. Girls are almost as beautiful as in EE and almost as dedicated to the man as in Asia. Northern Latin America (from Mexico down to Bolivia) is creole and as such the perfect melting pot of races, colors, etc, giving rise to a battery of Miss Universe-like goddesses, especially in Venezuela, but also in Brasil, Honduras, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba of course. Girls are in general beautiful, poor, hot and passionate, without being as maniacally materialistic as in EE. Just provide them with the needful to satisfy their basic needs and they'll be happy, unlike EE where luxury is actively wished and looked for. This makes the Latinas more genuine. The motivation behind their going with you can be 70% pleasure and 30% need, in EE it may easily be reverse. In bed they are hottest and more passionate, although they don't reach the technical sophistication of some Chinese. They will overweight it through the pure strength of their passion. Southern Latin America (Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay) is white caucasian, so basically a variation of the show available in Europe. Beauty level is high, availability is also high, but IMHO nothing to really die for. The cons? the general "reliability" of people in these countries is not the highest, it can be disturbing after a while.
Conclusion: go for EE-girls if you want the top of the beauty, go to China if you want the top of the dedication, go to Latin America if you want a combination of both (90% of the former + 90% of the latter)
As to the areas not covered:
Western Europe/USA: dramatically conditioned by an excess of emancipation. Most women have more teeth between their legs than in their mouth. The conservative catholic mentality in many countries makes the scene even poorer.
Islamic countries: forget-it-for-the-sake-of-your-health!!!!
Central Asia: Stunning beauties, but in many cases the above applies. Kazakhstan is a surprising exception, no religion bullshit and a melting pot of Asian/Russian features mixed in different degrees of combination resulting in real stunners.
MagicTouch,
Every thing well said !!
except
Islamic countries: forget-it-for-the-sake-of-your-health!!!!
YOU NEED TO CHECK OUT THE MORROCO SECTION.
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I just was going to leave my garden. I small gate leading to the sidewalk. She strolled along the sidewalk towards me. Some books in the hand pretending to be a student. I smiled at her, gave her a sign to enter the gate? Some minutes later she sucked my prick on the sofa-corner.
5 or 10 bucks was gift (cadeau).
In Morocco you don't talk about the money- you just hand her something over under the excuse: "That's for the taxi- pour le taxi..."
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Loverboy,
I recently noticed your comments here. Now, I recommend you take another visit to the Morocco section; interesting developments!
Ez
Well for the sake of synthesis I gathered all islamic countries into one only group - the forget-it group, I am aware that it is indeed a rough generalization.
We may distringuish between hard-islamic countries and soft-islamic countries, among the former definitely Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait and others, among the latter Northern Africa, Turkey, Indonesia, that benefit from centuries of closer exposure to Europe (France, UK, Netherlands) and ultimately got somehow more "secolarized" over time.
I am aware that girls in Morocco or Tunisia can be veeery hot, same in Turkey, but it is a fact that the odds of getting serious troubles there (with local men, policemen, etc) is dramatically higher than everywhere else.
They are also known to be extremely dedicated to their husbands, so if you marry them you can be touching colea Iovis (little quiz for those literate in Latin and familiar with Petronius's Satyricon) every night from happiness, but we are talking about STR here ... Of course IF (1) you happen to be in that country, IF (2) you meet a girl available to suck your friend, IF (3) you feel the environment is safe enough, THEN it can be an excellent experience ... but going there just for the purpose, is not maybe the most brilliant of the ideas.
I would have to say that Mongolian women are some of the best women I have found for STR. There are a number of Mongolian women working in Beijing -- they can be found at Maggies Bar or at Hard Rock Cafe, and a few other places. Most of them speak decent English, they love sex and are not as "professional" or materialistic as many of the Chinese. GFEs are much more common among Mongolian ladies than with Chinese, in my humble opinion. Lots of Mongolian ladies also availabe in Mongolia itself.
Gents
I hope I am putting this in the right section. I will be back in Thailand shortly but am fed up of it and of the sad guys who post on the Thai photo section:(
I will have about a month (another one, poor loser me:)) free during September/October and I am thinking of trying somewhere new or at least different. Here are the knockout criteria:
1 reasonably accessible from East Asia.
2. Excludes Oceania, West Europe. USA, Canada.
3. Exclude all Muslim countries (I don't want to make a guest TV appearance getting my head chopped off; no offense meant here but Muslim countries are off the menu long term)
4. No rainy season countries.
5. Relatively cheap. Women must speak English and/or Spanish and be fuckable.
Current favourites:
a. Carribean: hot favourite.
b. India (monsoon?).
c. Romania(?)
d. Argentina a remote possibility: it is a long long way
All help appreciated and reciprocated.
Talking about Muslim countries, how about Egypt? From my Arab friends they like the olive skins of the Egyptian girls. There is a joke about "Come to Cairo, come to see you sons and daughters". Meaning that there's is a well established sex industry there. They are used to tourists many times over than say Turkey and the neighbouring countries.
Domino,
Two juwels easily accessible from East Asia would be Kazakhstan and Ukraine, unfortunately no chance without a visa. Ukraine is packed with the most beautiful women in the world IMHO, and Kazakhstan is a stunning melting pot of Asian and Russian features mixed together, resulting in breathtaking beauties.
Romania is definitely a hit, but the real juwel in Eastern Europe would be Estonia.
Carribean is top of the top for maybe 40% of the men worldwide, but would you define it as easily accessible from East Asia?? If you do, go to Venezuela, skip Caracas and focus on Valencia, you'll love me for this tip.
The reports on Kazakhstan have been pretty thin. Plus, it is a looong way from anywhere, th graveyard excepted, if they don't like me. Much the same applies to Ukraine. Estonia would be nice but only if you like the Nordic look and relatively high prices.
Indonesia looks promising weather and price wise but politically it is very volatile.
Venezuela: beautiful chicks and trigger itchy guys.
Jamaica: Beautiful chicks and Yardie gangsters.
Problems:( Problems:( Problemos;)
Domino,
"Estonia would be nice but only if you like the Nordic look and relatively high prices."
I've been to Estionia - of course:)!
In my report I gave the people of Estonia 5 unsmileys. I did not even bother to find any women. Yes, it was that bad.
Tallinn is a beautiful town and ok to spend a couple of days in as a short break from Helsinki.
And then get the hell back to Helsinki!
Really, almost everything I know about Ukraine is from WW2 movies. The word Ukraine gives me visions of mud, mud and more mud.
Still, I had a Ukrainian gf once. She had the smoothest shaven legs EVER! But she wanted to get married after 3 weeks or so. I told her she could get married anytime. But not to me:D.
Indonesia must be one of the biggest and cheapest *****houses on this beautiful planet of ours. I just don't like the food...
Freeler: You are as scary as ever. Finnish prices:(; Indonesian food:(
I agree with you about Ukraine (apparently they get pissed off if you call it The Ukraine and not Ukraine). Mud, mud, mud and erernal isolation, like the Antarctic.
So what is your verdict. And don't say Thailand as it will only [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] sad old SexReview off if I start playing in his sandbox. (Like the junior (sic) members, I don't know my place). Check out Stinky's reports btw. He's a funny guy (even if he uses the f word a lot) but SexReview has probably scared him off.
As it happens, it might just end up being Thailand again. I have found something else to do. Pussies, pizzas and something else:)
I checked out Belguel. Jackson is good that way.
I would also like to get back to Latin America but such a distance for a bit of pussy
Domino,
Indonesia.
If you can stand the food...
Freeler: What about the human bonfires? What if I am the food? For Aceh, one needs a special pass that I will pass on. But I think Muslim areas will be hairy until Uncle Sam learns:(
Domino,
Stay on Java.
Some 200 mil people live there. Half of those are women. Half of those are fuckable. It will take half a year to fuck through just one kampung. At $2.50 a bonk max. Needless to say: the prices you see on the Indo board are bullshit.
No one cares about Aceh anyway.
freeler: sexreview and his cronies only wanted me kicked off this site. you seem to want me kicked off the planet, if this warning is anything to go by;)
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/front?pagename=openmarket%2fxcelerate%2fshowpage&c=page&cid=1007029390590&a=kcountryadvice&aid=1013618385558
this is a very good site btw for newbies like me. one of the pieces of advice hm's government gives on thailand is this:
"do not have sexual relations with anyone under the age of 18 years. thailand recognises such acts as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]."
one wonders what sexreview and our other friends say about that.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/front?pagename=openmarket/xcelerate/showpage&c=page&cid=1020939623923&a=karticle&aid=1013618521401
Domino
The Dominican Republic sounds like a good spot for you. Gorgeous women with phat asses, big tetas, round faces, and lots of curves might be something different from what you are used to. The country is having an economic crisis so it is really cheap rite now. You can definitely get the bang for the buck. Safer than some other Carribean locations also. Try to get there before it is discovered as JetBlue just started service there and it may turn into another Puerto Rico.
just some remarks to the bs on the british site:
bring enough funds for your stay and your return. bank transfers take time and if you miss your return flight, you may have to purchase another ticket to get home. scottish and northern irish bank notes are not accepted in thailand.
--goes for any country
take care of your valuables at all times. do not leave them out of sight or leave them unattended unless you are sure that they are safe.
--what if you think they are safe but get stolen anyway?
be on your guard against pickpockets and bag snatchers as you would be in any busy tourist resort.
--goes for any country
take care of your passport at all times; theft of them is common. do not leave your passport as security when hiring a car or motor cycle.
--goes for any country
report any loss to the nearest police station.
--goes for any country
remember that roads are not as safe as in the uk.
--huh???
do not leave home without travel insurance, and ensure that it covers both medical treatment, including medical evacuation to the uk and unexpected losses/expenses (eg missing charter flight, losing passport, having cash and credit cards stolen).
--goes for any country
do not carry anything through customs for somebody else.
--goes for any country
never accept a drink or food from a stranger, they may be drugged.
--the stangers may be drugged???
do not have sexual relations with anyone under the age of 18 years. thailand recognises such acts as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
--there you go!
do not use a guide who approaches you on the street, even if he appears to have genuine credentials. he will invariably be a tout.
--hahahahaha!!!!
freeler's addition:
do not go with strangers, specially women. you might get screwed.
Domino:
If you are considering the Carribean, then you are willing to accept 12 hours flight from wherever you are in Asia to SFO or LAX, and then 5 to 7 more to your Carribean destination. Throw in 5 more hours beeing cramped together and served lousy food, and you end up in Buenos Aires with:
- some of the most stunning women on the planet
- some of the best food on the planet
- nice people to meet
- everybody speaks spanish (or at least something coming close)
- very reasonable prices for everything.
Read the Argentina section for more info.
El Alemán
The only problem with Buenos Aires is that it is overrun with Dickheads.
Magictouch,
Congratulations for your comment about Eastern European girls. Indeed the biggest trap is to have serious relationships with them as they are even more materialistic than beautiful. You are perfectly right too about their faithfulness. This word doesn't seem to be part of their vocabulary. In short their are just as you say the perfect match for STR. But even in this case my advise would be to take care of the money you spend with them.
I had many experiences with the EE(especially russians) but never been to Latin America /Spain and Asia.
You wrote a brillant synthesis but I just would like to know your personal preference between those 3 groups of girls. Many thanks in advance for your answer.
Hey Guys,
Can anyone tell me the definitions of the slang words use in the forum?
Like, what is GFE, BJJJ, STR, DATY, etc...etc...
Yes Im a neebie, and I dont know all the slang.
Un
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I think we generalize a little talking in terms of "EE girls" since Eastern Europe is a consolidation of very different countries, each with specific features. To compare Romanians with Russians will not make you very popular in Bucharest ;-)
I think we should be generous in judging their materialistic view of the world, love and sex, considering the terrific squallor communism brought in their lives for some 50-70 years ...
They are hungry of luxury now and use their beauty to get easier access to it. Know it and you'll be safe.
They are easy to accept the idea of getting married with you and maybe even faster to accept the idea of leaving you, especially as soon as they become aware of the favourable rules on divorce they would benefit from in Western countries.
They are not immersed in the conservative catholic mentality current in some Western countries, thus their understanding of the moral constraints in the field of love and marriage is by far much more relaxed than acceptable to most of us. Things can be done and undone very easily ITHO (in Their humble opinion)
My preference very much depends on the mood of the moment. If I need to feed my eyes and my visual phantasies I will go for EE, if I am in search of technically sophisticated sex I will go Asian, if I want passion and mad sex I will go Latin American.
Concretely, I am much more often in EE than everywhere else, so I pick 90% of my apples in EE. To give you a confidential information, Romania is the only place where I chose to keep a durable girl friend.
Read my latest report in the Moscow section, feel free to PM me, I'll be more than happy to share more ideas with you and why not, some trips
What countries would you guys recommend for finding very skinny chicks?
Ethiopia and Eritrea. Rwanda should be good about now too.
ROFL
I have a question for you frequent world travelers:
When it comes to finding providers open to COF I have heard it is a lot harder to get in Latin Ametrica than Europe or here in the U.S. I have some European experience and the women were open to pretty much anything there. So is this fact or Urban Legend?
Oh, don't forget Sudan.
Undray,
All these terms and many more are covered in the Forum Abbreviations section in the menu.
Regards, Havanaman
I am starting to think we have way to many abbreviations for things.
OK guys, where are the best countries for an endless stream of freelancers? I personally anm a little turned off by the escort services or brothels.
I've been to Cuba, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Spain, Ghana, Togo, Thailand and the Philippines. I have to say Cuba is by far the best with Philippines, Ghana and Togo in a distant sencond place. Cuba was just insane! I had to start making appointments with girls to my casa particular! I had so much sex, my dick became really sore. I came back to the United states and found myself walking into a grocery store or down the street expecting to hook up, then I realized...hey, this is the US, slim chance. Thailand was incredible but I found a girl on my first night and was with her my whole trip. I found Poland, Lithuania and Latvia very difficult, maybe because I am white and blend in with the locals. Any replies would be great. I want to get some ideas for my next wild trip!
Guys,
all I can say is this:
Dominican republic (DR)
Brasil
Peru (O yes)
Honduras
Colombia. (well this might be a challenge)
In 4 of the 5 above mentioned countries I have been.
OOO I fotget to mention...they are all LATINAS!! Learn spanish (or Portugese if you go to Brasil)and a whole world opens up for you.
I think that will be a little bit difficult with Thai or some strange bantu language in Afrika.....LOL
Johan
good countries:
Thailand
PI
Cambodia
Kenya
Uganda
Ghana
Mozambique
Colombia
Brazil
Peru
just to mention a few
What is good place to go during Christmas break (dec/23 to Jan / 1). Most good places like Buenos Aires get expensive and no chicas to boot.
Good countries if money isn't a factor.
Iceland
Italy
Spain
Germany
For the more thrifty traveler.
Brazil
Columbia
Peru
Mexico
Cuba
Good choices, Bladtinzu (I can tell you from [u]very[/u] personal experience that Mexico is an excellent choice, especially if you learn Spanish ;) )
But I can also tell you that Norway is an underestimated destination. It seems like everywhere you go there are blue-haired, blue-eyed Scandinavian [u]godesses[/u] in that part of the world, and (unlike the U.S.) they are [u]extremely[/u] approachable.
Trust me on that last part ;) !
For those who only speak English, Australia and NZ, are both excellent. Its easy to find women for short term fun. Long term relationships are another thing. The Queensland coast during the Australian summer(late November to January) is filled with women looking for fun.
In Europe language is an issue, although there are many people who speak English, few women I have met there understood enough to make a meaningful connection.
CBGB said this in his last post,
"In Europe language is an issue, although there are many people who speak English, few women I have met there understood enough to make a meaningful connection."
The key phrase being; a meaningful connection. Hey, I thought this forum was about the best women for STR? Who cares about a meaningful connection when you're looking to score once or twice and then head on?
Sometimes, a lack of english actually helps to cut through all the BS. The conversation goes straight along and lets you be up front about what the two of you want, instead of dancing all around the subject with innuendos, hints and remarks that could be taken different ways.
Just my own humble opinion,
Rock
When I meant "meaningful connection" I meant meaningful enough for them to spread their legs for you. Women in Europe tend to smile very readily. If they give you prolonged eye contact, its usually a good sign. European women tend to be "slow". I'm not saying that they're stupid, but getting through to a lot of them quickly can be difficult, especially if they don't understand English. Of course there are occasional obvious chics in the Eastern/Southern European countries are the easy ones. I got very lucky on one flight to Europe and was sandwiched between two 20 something Russian babes.
In terms of STR, an Australian beach town during November to January is a flesh parade. The Ozzie chics get down to business pretty quickly. A hairy backed sasquatch could pick up a blonde down under.
CBGB,
If she likes me enough for her to spread her legs for me, then I'd say that was pretty meaningful.
BTW, I hear what you're saying about Russian girls. Last summer, I noticed these 2 Russian women while I was waiting for a flight at Heathrow. They were both in their 30's and we are talking total milf action here. One of them noticed that I was noticing them. Imediately they began talking to each other and both of them kept on looking over my way.
I Figured "what the heck" so I them gave a little wave and they both waved back. For the next hour, we had the most pleasant conversation. They offered their phone number and addresses and said come see them sometime if I ever visit Petrograd (I think thats supposed to be St. Petersburg). This is something that you would never expect from women here.
I keep hearing all these good things about Aussie chicks. Have you actually been there and seen this for yourself? It almost seems unnatural that it could be so easy to score with hot young babes that way.
Rock
Australia is definitely worth a look, but it depends upon the area of the country you go to, the best place to pick up women without much fuss is southeast Queensland, the Brisbane-Gold Coast area is the best part of the country lifestyle wise. If you go to the Gold Coast during the Australian summer, it is packed with women. In terms of attitude Australian women are the most easy going I have met and are very open. You could pretty much go to any public place(pubs, shopping centers, hotels) and find some company.
The scene in Sydney and Melbourne tends to be more upscale and European but if you want Baywatch quality airhead blondes, Queensland is the best.
Based on my experience;
Good countries for mongering:
Vietnam (Find yourself a guide first)
Thailand (Pussyland)
Germany (2 hour drive with car, as I live in Holland)
Belgium (1 hour drive for a much better attitude compared to Dutch women)
Brazil (no comment....LOL)
Morocco (lots of horny, plumb girls)
Countries looking good to me (like to visit)
Cuba
Peru
Columbia
I started the habit in 1975, in Thailand, when my then girl friend and I had a fight whilst backpacking.
In 2004, I started a world tour in a quest to bang 200 women around the world in a year.
The best places so far:
China
Thailand
Philippines
Cuba (new experience)
Prague is OK.
Most of western Europe is a waste of time (the women are old)
Looking forward to Brazil (last visited 1990) and Argentina (last visited in 1980) soon
My guess is China and South America will be the new mongering centres in the next 20 years with endless supply of poor young women
Medical science regards anal sex as “high-risk behavior”. Basically, the anus is not designed for penetration by any hard object. The anal sphincter tightens ordinarily if stimulated, and attempts at penile insertion may be distressing even if done slowly and gently. If the penis is forced into the anus, injury is possibility. The lining (mucus membrane) of the rectum is very thin, tears easily, does not heal very fast and so it is vulnerable to infections. Also, the tears can enlarge to a fissure or a crack leading to the outside of your body. These are painful and slow to heal. There is the remote possibility that a fistula could open up, allowing faeces to reroute into the abdominal cavity or into the vagina. That is serious trouble. There is also the increased risk of haemorrhoids, which are quite uncomfortable.
One final note about anal sex ~ Masters & Johnson in their book on Sex and Human Loving warn that anything that has been inserted into the anus should not be subsequently put into the vagina unless it has been thoroughly washed. Bacteria that are naturally present in the anus can cause vaginal infections, so moving from anal intercourse to vaginal intercourse is unhygienic.
I've travelled a lot around the world, I've surfed through the WSG, and I'm still wondering if there is a better place in the world for our hobby than German FKK. As the going price there is 50 Euro for 30min in what is one of the richest countries in the world, this should be the maximum price limit to compare.
Imagine a place where you can stay all the day, with excellent clean facilities (including eating, drinking, sauna, swimming pool, whirlpool, cinema, excellent bedrooms), where you are surrounded by 60 young gorgeous naked babes coming from all over the world ready to do anything you want for only 50 euro/30min. And we are talking here about service that cannot be closer to GFE. It's not easy to imagine an even better place (may be cheaper, may be with more diversity, may be with more quantity?...).
I don't like countries where meeting points are seperate from action place: like you meet the girl in a disco, have to take a cab to go back with her to the hotel, sometimes you are even supposed to bring her to the restaurant, give bribes at the hotel and so on...What if once in the hotel room you are disappointed when she is undressed? You bring her back to go all through it again with another? It's much more convenient having all the facilites in one place.
It's may be very personal, but I prefer also having multiple sessions with different girls than staying all the night with the same one. It's very common for me having up to 6 sessions with different girls in the same evening, and I've never had more than three pops with the same girl in one night. I love diversity, discovering new things.
Back again to that question: where in the world can you find places that can compete with German FKK?
Asia and especially Thailand? It's may be cheaper, but in my opinion service is far from the GFE: too much professional attitude, lack of passion, tasteless, and there is a lack of diversity.
Eastern Europe? There seem to be a kind of FKK in Prague which cannot compete with German FKK,and as far as I know in most of EE countries you have to go back to the hotel.
Same for countries like Cuba or Dominican Republic.
Dutch, spanish, Belgian or Australian brothels? Whe are getting close, prices and service are similar but none of these brothels can match the facilities of the bigger FKK's, diversity and quantity is less. Most of the other Western countries are not an option.
Let's forget Africa and muslim countries, not convenient enough.
Brasil? Yes most probably. I've heard about the Termas, but I've never been to Brasil. Can Anyone compare FKK with Terma?
Another country in South America? Argentina? Venezuela? I have no experience there.
I have never been to germany or FKK, but have extensive mongering experience in England and for short time sex £40.00 you can have owo cim, french kissing, ect with fresh young( starting from 18 years) english girls in thousands of massage parlours up and down the country.
The downside is that you can only spend 30 minutes, and rarely can you have more than one shot, even if you want to pay more.
The whole point of mongering abroad for me is so that i can have a girl for the overnight stay ( 12 hours) or (24 hours) in Prague it cost me £300.00 in England it would cost £1000.00 for 12 hours, or Dominica Republic it cost me £75.00. For short time sex in these countries it was the same price almost as England.
I always find it strange when you read some guys reports trying to get the last dollar down on a deal for say a overnight stay, when really i will pay the going rate asked as it is so cheap, what i demand is the highest quality of appearance and services offered.
I now intend to visit the Mecca of all brothels Bangkok so that i can have a woman in my bed every night for 10 nights, for the same price of a hours time with a girl in England.
Is Bangkok the best safest place to carry on my hobby, or does anyone have any other suggestions?
Ibiza Spain is a pretty good place to meet women during the summer months when its packed. I would also rank Greece and Turkey as two other fine places to meet friendly women.
I have mongered in Europe, Africa, and Asia and in my not so humble opnion Asia offers the best pickings with the Philippines offering the best chance for a GFE.
Yes Bangkok has Nana and Soi Cowboy which is always a great get away, but I have always found the average Filipina to be far above the average and you can't beat the "supply" of young good looking ladies ready and willing to make fantasys come true. The $$$ to Peso rate is also a BIG plus
Fellow Mongers!
It is time for another two week vacation. I am planning to make this my first mongering vacation and would greatly appreciate your input. I am thinking Thailand (Bangkok) for one week and some other destination for the second week.
I have been to Thailand a few times and absolutely love it. It is mongering paradise. A sandwich massage at one of the parlors, a hardcore 2-on-1 anal session, an overnight GFE session with a 21-year old bashful, timid freelancer, or just an expert 1-on-1 massage where the girl masterfully plays you like an instrument. These are things any hot blooded straight male MUST experience before dying.
But there are two things I don't like about BKK. One, the girls are typically smaller and most of them don't have a full figure - something I really like. Two, the whole mongering experience is too oriental (a bit timid? girls not getting into it the same way that westerners do? I can't quite put my finger on it) and not as passionate as it could be in, say, Latin America (as pointed out earlier very succinctly). I have not mongered in Latin America or Europe; and hence this request for recommendation.
Can someone recommend a good destination in either Latin America or Europe? The primary criteria is that it should be worth a whole week of mongering vacation. Tijuana, for example, is NOT worth it for me. Part of the reason is that I don't much enjoy the 30-minute sessions. At least, I am looking for long-time (3-4 hours or overnight) rentals. At best, I would like variety of experience like in BKK.
Secondary criteria is price. One of the reasons I like BKK is that you can have a PRIME pussy at an incall establishment for under US$50. No haggling. You can stay at a decent hotel room for $30 a day. Thats just awesome. I know I'll probably have to pay a bit more in the western world. But the destination has to be good enough to justify the travel and mongering expense.
Thanks, guys, for all your posts. I promise to post any unique experience I might have.
WSG Rocks!!
JayF
In short,
If you have any of the following words in your mind like Love, Sex, Soulmate, Fun, Good Time, Experience, then avoid "INDIA" at all cost, if you see an indian women don't run disappear. Even, the *****s here have such an attitude problem, that, you would sometime mistake it for american women, well, if you think American women are a "Type" that jackson has to dedicate a separate section for bashing them, just visit India, then you would only wish to be anywere but India on mongering.
The BEST country, PHILIPHINES, common tell me any country in the world, were women hit you on chat rooms, they demand your phone number, not for money if you thinking that way, its totally different when you enter Phliphines, this country is direct sexual havan for free sex. thats Ok if you pay for sex here, just imagine before you land in Manilla airport, you have already 10 contacts waiting for you for free sex, at different cities, you just spend 4 hrs on yahoo chat and a full one week of free sex is booked for you.
Phipipino women have no issues they are ready for anything everything, you just have to guide them, and they are with you for ever.
Good luck and happy hunting.
Russia during the summertime is a great place to meet women. There a clubs open in the middle of the day in Moscow. Fine cyrillic babes all over the place.
(from theonion.com)
AMSTERDAM—Americans traveling abroad confirm the findings of a study indicating that Washington's unilateral approach to foreign policy has seriously undermined Americans' chances of getting laid.
"I've been in Amsterdam for two months and have yet to begin a conversation with a cute girl that hasn't ended in a lecture about how big, evil America is taking everyone's oil," said college sophomore Brad Higgs, a participant in Johns Hopkins University's study-abroad program. "I offer to buy them a drink, and they tell me I shouldn't just stand by and watch Bush destroy the world. Look, if I had that type of pull with the president, I obviously wouldn't be out trolling for anonymous Dutch pussy."
The report, released Monday by the Center For U.S.-International Casual Relations, was based on interviews with approximately 1,400 American students returning from abroad. According to study director Gilbert Hapbrook, sexual contact between American students and foreigners has declined steadily since January 2001.
"Unpopular military actions and dismissal of international organizations have galvanized world hostility toward the U.S.," Hapbrook said. "Instead of being inundated with questions about Hollywood and requests to help hot young foreigners practice their English, Americans are being openly scorned in European pubs and cafes. Data taken from a poll of students in December 2004 showed that only a dismal 11 percent had achieved sexual congress with a non-American."
Hapbrook said the 2004 overseas-coitus figures show a slight recovery from the all-time low reached in November 2002, after the Afghanistan invasion and during escalating conflict with Iraq. But the figures are still well below those of 1999, when Bill Clinton was in office and a very healthy 67 percent of respondents scored abroad.
"I'm in Amsterdam—Amsterdam, for Christ's sake—and I'm in the middle of the longest dry spell I can remember," Higgs said. "Last week, I was making out with this Italian girl at a concert. It was all going great until the music ended and she heard my American accent. I swear to God, I went from the cusp of a hand job to, 'Why won't your country sign the Kyoto Treaty?'"
University of Colorado junior Casey Knight recently arrived in Amsterdam after a month in Germany.
"I asked a group of German girls at some Eurotrash disco to dance and they started yelling at me," Knight said. "They said that by paying taxes to the American government, I am no better than a fascist. Well, they would know, I guess."
Even students who actively oppose President Bush are susceptible to criticism, according to Emily Biehn, a Duke University student spending her spring semester in Paris.
"I voted for Kerry and I marched against the Iraq war," Biehn said. "But when I got to Europe, I might as well have been wearing a Bush bumper sticker on my forehead and star-spangled cowboy boots. As soon as the French guys hear I am from the U.S., all they want to do is argue politics."
"And switching tactics and acting like you're totally apathetic about politics just pisses them off even more," Biehn added.
Acknowledging that a large-scale change in American foreign policy is unlikely to occur before the end of the current semester, Hapbrook recommended three tactics for American students frustrated in their attempts to bed foreigners.
"First, pretend you're Canadian whenever you can," Hapbrook said. "But make sure you're not around actual Canadians, because they'll know you're lying and cock-block you. Second, if there are any anti-American protests going on, take care to avoid women carrying signs. Third, focus your itinerary on countries like Ireland and Japan that are still relatively friendly to Americans."
"You may want to write off France altogether," Hapbrook added.
Hapbrook said he developed his tactics in 1983, when the American government was practicing hardline Cold War foreign policy and he was spending his junior year abroad.
Higgs, who spends most of his time in his hostel playing solitaire and watching DVDs on his laptop computer, urged students back home to write to their congressional representatives.
"This affects all of us," Higgs said. "The government has to acknowledge the needs of young Americans. Too many U.S. citizens in foreign lands are spending sleepless, lonely nights jerking off in increasingly filthy sleeping bags. It sucks."
If one were to plan a two or three year around the world trip with plans to hit all important mongering sites in the world... What are the best 5 to 10 languages to study to be prepared?
Some are pretty obvious, but I would appreciate knowing what everyone else thinks!
My off-the-top ideas are:
Spanish
Brazilian Portuguese
Thai
Russian
Czech
Chinese, Mandarin
German
French
Italian
Anything else?
Tagalog and Malay / Indonesian
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]If one were to plan a two or three year around the world trip with plans to hit all important mongering sites in the world... What are the best 5 to 10 languages to study to be prepared?
Some are pretty obvious, but I would appreciate knowing what everyone else thinks!
My off-the-top ideas are:
Spanish
Brazilian Portuguese
Thai
Russian
Czech
Chinese, Mandarin
German
French
Italian
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
Polish, Hungarian, Norwegian, Vietnamese, Malaysian, Ukranian, oh and Greek of course.
What countries are you treated like royalty by the local girls?
How is Peru, Colombia, Equidor, Honduras, Romania, Ukraine, Czech? These countries seem promising. Cuba I've already been to.
[QUOTE=Long Stroker](from theonion.com)[/QUOTE]That was funny, but quite probably there is some truth to it. :)
Anyway, I live in Finland, and here a foreign dick goes in to Finnish pussy like a knife through hot butter.
In general, Scandinavia has probably one of the best freebie scenes for a black guy. It is not bad for other stereotypically non-scandinavian looking guys either, ie. dark-haired, Latin, foreign looking guys.
According to Durex's survey, Scandinavian women are the most willing women in the world in having one night stands.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]CBGB,
If she likes me enough for her to spread her legs for me, then I'd say that was pretty meaningful.
BTW, I hear what you're saying about Russian girls. Last summer, I noticed these 2 Russian women while I was waiting for a flight at Heathrow. They were both in their 30's and we are talking total milf action here. One of them noticed that I was noticing them. Imediately they began talking to each other and both of them kept on looking over my way.
I Figured "what the heck" so I them gave a little wave and they both waved back. For the next hour, we had the most pleasant conversation. They offered their phone number and addresses and said come see them sometime if I ever visit Petrograd (I think thats supposed to be St. Petersburg). This is something that you would never expect from women here.
I keep hearing all these good things about Aussie chicks. Have you actually been there and seen this for yourself? It almost seems unnatural that it could be so easy to score with hot young babes that way.
Rock[/QUOTE]I am reading many reports on people thinking the Australia is easy to score hot beach babes under 27 years old and freebies. I have lived in this area of Australia for 25 years and if you are under 30, tanned, great looking, muscles, tall and have heaps of cash to throw around, sure you will pick up easily enough but the same could be said for a guy that looks like that in any country of the world.
I have travelled to many countries around the world and the poor countries are always the easiest. Australia is not poor. There are no starving or financially very desperate women here. Hookers cost more here than in the U.S.
The reality is, if you are after attractive white women, you would stand a far better chance in Eastern Europe or Scandinavia. IMHO
I haven't had much of a problem with getting good Australian women, yes of course Australia is not poor, it has a very high standard of living. As far as hookers in the US versus Australia, I have found good service for prices, when translated into US dollars, that are less expensive than in the USA. There are some escorts that charge outrageous fees, but most of the best brothels in Australia that I have visited are less expensive than the best escort services in the US.
I think I have some of the criteria down, but not the money part and the under 30 one, but people tell me I look young for my age. Since moving to Australia, I have lost a considerable amount of weight and am in much better physical condition than when I was in the States, so this might be a factor. A few years ago in the US, I stood at 6'2" and weighed close to 270 lbs., I now weigh about 200lbs and in decent shape. Still when going back to the US I still find women there to be more difficult. I would agree that Eastern European women are easier to pick up than those in Australia but mainly this is due to economic considerations. Many of them would love to pick up a man that can take them to the West. In spite of this, I think EE women tend to be more sincere than Asians in this regard.
It's all about options. Or, to be more specific, what the local women consider to be their options.
That's why , as Blastoff said, poor countries are the easiest. You can bet your ass that you'll look pretty good to the women in such a country. In countries where the standard of living is higher, there's a lot more men who earn a decent living. Women in these countries will naturally figure they have more, better options.
In a country like the US, or Canada, the living standard is very high and guys with good jobs (eg. $40-80k/yr) are a dime a dozen. It becomes an expectation that the man has to have a good job in order to be "good enough" for women in these countries. The next thing for them to get choosey about is looks and age. This is particularly true for the more attractive women because they KNOW they have a lot of options.
It's nice to know you could get a good looking, younger woman in eastern europe or wherever.... as long as you make a decent living. The flip side is that the main, perhaps only, reason she will like you is because of your money.
Rock
Canadian women are total SHIT, except for the ones in Quebec which is like a different country from the rest of Canada. I have been to a lot of "rich" countries where guys earning 40-80K are a dime a dozen. I know a technician in a BMW factory, whose family came from Turkey, this guy has a unibrow, has hair on his back, but has a beautiful blonde hair blue eyed German girlfriend. I have been around Europe and find women in Europe more open to sex than those in the US and English speaking provinces of Canada. Outside of Europe, I have fared well in Australia(Australian women have a more European attitude towards sex than American or English Canadian women), New Zealand and Quebec of the richer countries. I went to Japan and left empty handed. My favorite country overall for ladies is Brazil, especially the women from the south of the country. I fell in love with a European women that ended in tragedy, she had an abusive "freund" who got drunk one night, she was in the car, there was an accident, and she died. I tracked down this asshole recently and got a nice blood sample from him.
As ridiculous as it may sound prostitution is illegal in Brazil, the law is just never enforced. The policia in Rio have more pressing problems. Recently a group of Norte Americanos were busted and deported for cavorting on a cruise ship with known prostitutes. Another crew of brainiacs were busted for making porno films. US foreign policy has made life difficult for the sex monger. US citizens are being targeted. Once your arrested and deported you can never visit Brazil again! You are effectively banned for life. Just be careful, don't be the typical man thinking with your little head instead of your big one.
Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=swede116]As ridiculous as it may sound prostitution is illegal in Brazil, the law is just never enforced. The policia in Rio have more pressing problems. Recently a group of Norte Americanos were busted and deported for cavorting on a cruise ship with known prostitutes. Another crew of brainiacs were busted for making porno films. US foreign policy has made life difficult for the sex monger. US citizens are being targeted. Once your arrested and deported you can never visit Brazil again! You are effectively banned for life. Just be careful, don't be the typical man thinking with your little head instead of your big one.
Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Wrong! Prostitution is legal...."pimping", pandering or exploitation of women for financial gain is illegal.
What country has the cheapest prices for SW's or brothel action? I would like to take a trip somewhere. I would love to find a place that you can get $5 fs. Does a place such as this exist anywhere?
In Ethiopia you can get it for $4.60 USD (40 birr) short time.
Dear Robbocock,
Amazing the price you are willing to pay! For the same amount or even a fraction of it, you'd be king in Bangkok. Read the forum there and you'd find that you can be a porn star, director and producer all rolled into one as long as you've got the cash. However, I understand the British pound is very strong and you're used to paying the going rate but please do not spoil the market when you go there. Being appreciative of the service and willing to pay extra is one thing but bear in mind your poorer friends from countries where the currency is very weak and inflating the market will make it that much harder for us.
That being said, I looked forward to your report after your trip there because with that amount of cash, you'd really blow these women to the moon! Other recommended places where you can be king is the Phillipines or anywhere really in Asia.......
Guys,
Whats do you think the best country to go too in Latin America in the next month or so, for a good time with some Chicas. I want to go ho hunting for a couple of months, so it could be worth going to more than one country. I got my Camara ready and want to do some investing reporting for this fine guide.
The chicas in Argentina look hot, but it might be too cold this time of year. The chicas in brazil look good. But, how far do you get by speaking bad Spanish or good English to someone who speaks Portuguese?
Any suggestions where the girls are hot and you get a good bang for your buck?
I would say it would be a tie between Costa Rica and Argentina, there are some really nice adult oriented resorts on the former, although a lot of them are staffed by Eastern European women. Venezuelan women are pretty amazing but I have a feeling something is going to happen to Chavez, so I would stay out of there. The place where they had Miss Universe this year is also a good bet, Ecuador.
Thanks,
But I would not recommend Ecuador, depends what floats your boat, but the chicas there are well down my list of worlds finest. They are not expensive from what I can remember.
But Costa Rica is a good Idea, and then maybe Argentina later on in the year, when its warmer.
This has provided a non ending argument. I've heard that some woman would require 50 Euros for 1 hr. No matter how beautiful she is, would that be the best STR??? I don't know, but I think we must introduce a price to ratings index!
How about we break down the ratings to fully answer all the Q's people might have? As in.
Most beautiful STR experience (location, rate them 1-9, price):
Cheepest STR experience (location, rating, price):
Best STR beauty to price ratio: (location, rating, price):
Most expensive STR exp. (location, rating, price)
Safest location to pick up SW/STR:
Most dodgy/dangerous place to pick SW/STR:
I'll go first.
Most beautiful STR experience (location, rate them 1-9, price):
Havana, 8 rating, $10 for 1 hour or so.
Cheepest STR experience (location, rating, price):
Addis, 8 rating, $10 for all night.
Best STR beauty to price ratio: (location, rating, price):
I gotta say Addis!! About $10 for an all nighter with a gorgeous gal!! 8/10 for the looks only becuase I never give 10s. She wasn't a 9 niether.
Most expensive STR exp. (location, rating, price):
San Jose, Costa Rica, 7/10, $60 for 1hour
Safest location to pick up SW/STR:
Malecon, Centro Havana, Old havana, all in Havana, cuba
Most dodgy/dangerous place to pick SW/STR:
N.A. (not available) I've been lucky so far. I never felt threatened anywhere I went.
Safest place for finding a SW would be Cannes, France they are all over the place.
Most dangerous place is Rio De Janeiro, even the Copacabana can get dangerous. I was there and saw a police station get robbed for its automatic weapons cache in the middle of the day. That place is no joke but the chicas are out of this world, still there is no guarantee that you will go home in one piece.
Most expensive place for SWs is Vegas, hookers are all over the casinos, I was in the Bellagio last year, around 12 midnight and spotted a couple of them trying to make eye contact with me, one wanted a 1000 dollars for "fun". I turned it down.
Are we talking about short term relationships or hookers? Or are hookers included in the definition of short term relationships?
$5 sex, that would be assuming one had to pay for it!
Okay, 10 min FS is at 114A in Lima is 23 soles about $6.95 No not gonna work!
Okay okay okay, I got it ! The Trocadero in Callao
You pay 13 soles to get in and the Chica gets 15 soles for as long as it takes!
that is 28 Soles or $8.46 for the first one. But each additional FS is only 15 soles or $4.53. Cool the more you fuck the cheaper it gets, Just like golf!
Okay but what do you get for $4.53 for unlimited time in a legal goverment inspected Grade A brothel? maybe this!
Opp's would not load, maybe next time!
LB
So are my posts against the rules? What is it exactly?
I think for "bang for a buck" for western pussy (in contarst to SW in a third world country with smelly pussy) place is POLAND. Mopst stunning beauties, reasonable price (better than Costa Rica, China etc), easy availability, great GFE and clean, classy looks, no one and no one beats P O L A N D.
[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]Are we talking about short term relationships or hookers? Or are hookers included in the definition of short term relationships?[/QUOTE]I'd consider spending a night or even a few hours with a hooker a short term relationship, wouldn't you?
Short term relationship is 30 minutes and one condom. Long term relationship is 2 hours and three condoms.
[QUOTE=Tasty1]I think for "bang for a buck" for western pussy (in contarst to SW in a third world country with smelly pussy) place is POLAND. Mopst stunning beauties, reasonable price (better than Costa Rica, China etc), easy availability, great GFE and clean, classy looks, no one and no one beats P O L A N D.[/QUOTE]One of the most common remarks on this site is this city or that country is not like it used to be. This is all very well but its not really much help to horney mongers, telling us we should of gone to somewhere last year, unless someone can lend me their time machine.
What we want to know is where to go now. I like Prague because its so easy because a lot of the scene is quite out in the open.
Polish girls are very sexy I agree. But how easy for a none polish speaker is the mongering? By reading the polish section it does not sound very easy as say Prague.
In my experience I have found Eastern and Central European women to be the easiest to build rapport with, German and Scandinavians too. I'm thinking about Prague this November but am leaning more on Bulgaria, Bulgarian women are gorgeous, and is a cheaper country to visit.
[QUOTE=Leparticular]I'll go first.
Most beautiful STR experience (location, rate them 1-9, price):
Havana, 8 rating, $10 for 1 hour or so.
Cheepest STR experience (location, rating, price):
Addis, 8 rating, $10 for all night.
Best STR beauty to price ratio: (location, rating, price):
I gotta say Addis!! About $10 for an all nighter with a gorgeous gal!! 8/10 for the looks only becuase I never give 10s. She wasn't a 9 niether.
Most expensive STR exp. (location, rating, price):
San Jose, Costa Rica, 7/10, $60 for 1hour
Safest location to pick up SW/STR:
Malecon, Centro Havana, Old havana, all in Havana, cuba
Most dodgy/dangerous place to pick SW/STR:
N.A. (not available) I've been lucky so far. I never felt threatened anywhere I went.[/QUOTE]
Cheapest place for pussy? Thailand $11 all night long Lima $12 for 30 minutes!
Over all cheapest place for pussy hands down Thailand!
Best looking woman Rio, fuck you al night and in the gym all day!
Second best place for a kick ass body, face ass and tits, South America, Asian women just do not do it for me, no ass no tits and no looks! Of course there are exceptions to any rule!
Best girl friend experience, any place but the fucking states!
There are many good looking SWs willing to do everything for $20 in the Zona Roja not to far from the US border.
Their good looks and their good attitudes beat Asia by a wide margin.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]There are many good looking SWs willing to do everything for $20 in the Zona Roja[/QUOTE]
OK - I'll jump in on this one. I don't think this is really an accurate statement. $20 is the standard gringo price they will quote you as you walk by, and without a word spoken you can get laid (add $3-5 for the room). Service will be: dress pulled up, 1 leg of pantyhose removed, a robot who will allow you to bounce up and down for ~15 min. Not my idea of "everything". In fact, with even a little Spanish and a good attitude you can negotiate this basic package down to $15 or even less. BTW - the room will be stark (to be kind), as in no running water.
However, if your idea of everthing includes a naked chica, a bj, some minimal involvement on her part, more time, just as examples, expect to bargain in detail (in the street) and pay quite a bit more.
TJ has enjoyable experiences available, SGs are just one option, but expect to pay in the $60-80 range. Spanish and good negotiating skills a real plus.
Anyone here have an opinion as to the best places to go as a tall, fit, 31-year-old white guy to just have fun, flirt, play around with non-pro locals? I've been to several mongering sites before and found that lots of places, if you're willing to be patient and don't mind if you turn up empty handed sometimes, you can meet plenty of non-pro girls.
I am planning a trip for the winter,probably Asia again and want to get opinions here as to what countries you can go get some fun attention from the locals. Thanks!
I realize that this is all subjective and up for interpretation but your best guess is appreciated!
S-
Sam5935,
Go to the PI without doubt. You can tons of non-pros in Manila, or better yet Cebu.
Sajer
Hello Sam,
I think there are many countries to meet non-pros. If you will stay a few weeks, it's even much better to go out with one of them or more....
Best countries
That's not my personal experience, but I have read a lot on this forum and some others...
Nearly all countries of Central America.
Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia in South America.
China, Thailand, Philipin, Cambodia, Indonesia in Asia
Belarus, Ukraine, Russia(save Moskow and St-Petersburg).
Many countries in Africa
Hmmm, well I've only been to Thailand of the list you gave. I instantly found a lovely Thai gal and spent a week in Bangkok with her. I stayed in her apartment, met her friends, and didn't pay a dime. In fact, until I expressely asked her to stop, she was paying for almost everything!
I think I'm going to head to the Philippines in January. I hear they're pretty flirtatious there. I live in San Francisco and they're are really into the tall, white guy type here!
S-
You can't go wrong with Thailand. My expereince also is that if you're relatively young and fit, you can bypass the whole p4p thing as the women want to hang out with you anyway. However, even if you go the p4p route, there is just sooooo much to choose from!
Nobsock:
The best one country will depend on your budget and tastes, as well as your language abilities.
For example Thailand is probably the easiest access location, there is an entire infrastructure built around it in areas of Bangkok and Pattaya. Its also fairly cheap and if you like Asian women, you will definitely find something to suit your taste and budget. However real communication with the girls is virtually impossible and spending any time outside of the bedroom with the girls can be mind-numbingly boring.
Places like Prague and Ukraine have women more culturally in tune with us, but the destinations themselves as well as the p4p girls are more expensive than Thailand. Language is less of a problem as some girls (rare also) will speak enough English to communicate with you.
If you narrow down your query a bit... indicating budget, preference in women etc... I am sure others can help you select your destination.
Just think about what kind of girls you like.
If you speak Spanish or if you want to learn it, I would advise you some countries in Central or South America.
If you only speak English and you like Asian girls, Filipine would be good.
I mean these countries if you want more than only p4p aspect, if you want to talk with the girls, to go out with them....
Spanish is easy to learn for Europeans or Americans, much more easier than any Asian languages or Russian....
[QUOTE=Sam5935] My expereince also is that if you're relatively young and fit, you can bypass the whole p4p thing as the women want to hang out with you anyway. [/QUOTE]
I wonder what percentage of members would fall into this category. I dont. Bypass p4p? I wish!
I have been thinking of compiling something systematically in the line of Dr Skank's idea. Since somebody actually asks, let me add something quick.
Yes, the most important thing is you. Length of stay is important. If you have just one week, cheap sex isn't meaningful. Flying 4 hours is a lot better than 12 hours.
Get to know the reporters profile helps. If you don't speak Spannish, South, Central America isn't that attractive as the reports said. Many excellent reporters are Spannish speakers and became semi locals. Your price and your choice is different, a lot different. Whereas in say Thailand, everybody is equal as nobody speaks Thai. All working in the tourist industry dealing with customers speaks English, including many working girls, but probably not the new fresh ones, or imported ones from neighboring countries. English is a lot more common in PI.
Budget - I would compare well known establishments in different countries with little variation in price and large selections. If the town has only a few bars, and you have to negiotate with the girls over a large price range and service, you may be disappointed even though you have reliable information. She may just decide not to give you that price and that service.
And for all-nighters, compare the sure thing rather than - if she likes you, and in slow times, she might go home with you for a reasonable price. Asia is more affordable. And looking for quality, if you double the price in some quality establishments, will you get twice as much and an unforgettable time? In many places you just get walked over.
As for yourself, are you comfortable doing it in FKK? Hanging out in bars? Or just pick a girl and bring her to your hotel? What sort of hotels are you comfortable with?
Non-mongering activities? Either you can go around with ease or better still, afford an English speaking driver for a day or a few. Best of all, bring the girl with you on your day trips, often freebie for all nighters. Language is important but it's surprisingly fun if you just get along without common language.
Your risk levels? Check CIA countries reports. Say HK has proven itself in the SARS saga, and major hospitals have doors as in star treck. Now free flu vaccine to all at risk group. Not the bird flu vaccine, but to free up resources if anything happen again. And they just need to stock pile a few mil bird flu vaccine when available to give everybody a shot. Not possible in any other countries.
Just some random thoughts.
Adding to JamesD2004, some other things to be considered:
cultural comfort: will you be able to fit in with the mongering scene? do certain situations make you uncomfortable?
female racial types and preferences: guys who like buxom, voloptuous girls wont find much in Thailand, but may go buck wild in Africa...
type of service: for example in Russia or Thailand you can take a girl to the hotel or apartment for the night for relatively little money, in Germany or Europe this kind of service is virtually unaffordable
Down time, vacationing value: is there anything to do in Quito when not mongering? Is Pattaya more than just an outdoor brothel?
Hey Doc - Thai language is an "acquired thing". Except that it is "tonal" (what to the western ear sonds like the same word in different tones is actually several different words) iIt's not all that difficult - just a vocabulary development thing.
but that's my 2 cents..er kopecks...er satang ..er centavos
Dinghy,
Thanks for the 2 satang...
Yeah, I am sure it is possible to learn passable Thai with some effort, but for the short term monger choosing a destination for the first time or thinking of an alternate destination to his traditional haunt, its important to understand if he will be able to communicate.
Phillipines: almost certainly
Holland: probably
Germany: maybe
Russia: unlikely
Thailand: not at all likely
Sure some Thai pros speak ho English, but with most commo wasnt really possible. Maybe it was just me, but I didnt find many cute girls with language skills beyond the absolute basics. Usually, communicating wasnt necessary to have fun, but sometimes I missed it.
In Holland you will find English-speaking pros, but will have to be clever and lucky to find those that also perform well. The pros are often hardened and street-wise, clever at milking tourists.
In Germany's FKKs maybe a third speak English with a fair degree of fluency and the performance is really consistent, but the romance usually ends after 30-60 minutes... no affordable take home option.
In Dubai you find well-performing affordable English-speaking pros from every corner of the globe, but its expensive to get to and stay there...
etc.
Ability to communicate is only one category, and probably not the most significant, but I find it greatly affects my mongering fun in longterm stays.
Nobsock, i think I might try to make your life harder, in a good way.
St Pete: be careful that the guy is a pimp or promoter. If you like that sort of proportion, Asia could be a good choice. American / European girls get fat at 12, while Asian women more like at 22. Legs are a bit weak, a bit short, but proportion not bad even if they are small. Since many girls cannot afford breast enhancement in developing countries, I always go for those who don't need it, as in the picture, or Asian girls. BTW, say Argentina is 80% European decedents. However, many of the working girls in BA are not locals, imports, from Brazil, neighboring countries. Eastern Euro girls are all over Western European, Asia, US. Maybe it end up cheaper if you exchange the air ticket for a few hookers at home.
Be careful of internet pictures of girls taken professionally. I know because I'm in LA. If you believe everything, then LA has the most beautiful girls in the world if you look at any escort malls.
Brazil: I have seen lots of Brazilians like that, good. But the problem is, the asking price is $200 USD for two hours. You may pay a lot less, but you understand the problem is. $100 USD isn't a lot in say HK, but buy you the best 141 girls for one shot, about an hour. For that you go to heaven in Macau. Even cheaper in China, but the problem is distance and it's illegal. And then Thai, PI etc, certainly a lot less to live in than HK Singapore.
Language: I would add that there are several levels, whether the working girls speak your language, whether the girls specilized for tourists speak your language, and whether the management speak your language.
If you go to school in Germany (West), you speak almost perfect BBC English, better than the British. Just in London, you have East end and West end accent, South London, etc. Dutch - similiar fluency as they are a tiny but great trading nation. French - they understand English, possibly speak well, but they don't admit it in public. Italy - they love USA. So if a girls work near Europe, her 2nd language is probably English, because most Euro Johns can handle it. Don't know about Russia, but Czech girls who speak English does it quite well - European tongue.
Asia - totally non-European tongue. They all try to speak at least ho English. The fresh young ones may not speak English, but they start to learn a little when they start the work, perfect when they work in tourist bars and earn their place in the export list. In Thai, waiters, hotel drivers all speak English, so you get by very well. Actually after an allnighter, I pulled a room service guy into my room to translate what my girl try to say. She wanted me to bring her to Pattiya (from BKK!). I would love to but it was just a lay over. We got along well and she knew I would if I could.
Chinese too difficult to learn. Spanish, you have the whole continent, apart from portuguese Brazil, which probably worth the effort to learn. It's worthwhile to learn Spannish in LA, but I ain't a big fan of Latinas. I would love to learn a little bit of Korean for fun, but the economics may change, Korean and US politicals may change so the Korean girls may not come in numbers any more in say a couple of years.
Nobsock:
The St.Pete pictures you refer to are all of a single girl and posted by Jusewah, who reported that she is working in a brothel-like salon. Salons are common in Russia. The deed with girls like her may last an hour and you'll be charged $50-100. Not a bad deal. The take home version not too much more, $100-300. That body type is obviously quite common in Russia and Ukraine, but finding a provider that meets your expectations isnt always as easy as it seems. Less and less girls have to work that job and correspondingly those that do are gradually charging more and more. Somedays you might see a half dozen top girls, other days they all seem average. Add 50% to the St.Pete prices to get Moscow prices, with budget quality take home in Moscow at almost $200 and upscale takehome at $300+.
The St.Pete sex scene isnt terribly difficult to navigate, but it isnt as upfront as Thailand and you will have to do some searching to find the brothels and speaking some Russian goes a long way. The pickup bars are fairly expat-friendly language wise, and many of the girls will all speak at least ho English, although often not much more than that.
That said I love mongering in Russia.... and Thailand is back on my list too.
Ha, Nobsock, I saw that you have enough trouble deciding already, as seen in other threads.
If you have reliable friends and trusted guides in some cities, that is all good. But how do you know?
Chinese spread all over SE Asia for millenniums for survival and business opportunities. The majority (or near) of Argentine supermarkets are owned by Chinese, probably a result of the currency crisis. A lot in Vietnam and Thailand etc are Chinese decedents. They kept the culture and try to keep marriage within their communities. But it's not obvious that they are Chinese. At least they don't say that they are Chinese. The issue is always sensitive. And the majority of Chinese in rest of the world won't have a clue that they are Chinese. A little further, 30% Chinese Malaysian. By law you have to have a Malay partner for a business. Indonesia - well known, 1%?? Chinese controlling 90%?? of the economy. That's why they try to marriage within and they always welcome loyal relatives to relocate from overseas, and desperadoes from the same ancestral villages too.
Certainly in Thailand you won't get Chinese girls. They probably won't want to charge the same as Thai girls but you certainly won't want to pay more. Even Thailand imports girls from neighboring countries.
Skin isn't just color, but texture as well. China is vast and the preferred girls by Chinese are those in the North, and a few counties in the middle - Zu (?) and Hang (?). You seldom seen these girls outside these counties as 5 stars hotels and party officials can probably absorb them all. Pale and delicate skin.
There's a practical reason for preferred skin color. Why tanning is so big? Tanning hide flaws. Anal bleaching and nipple bleaching is also big in LA. Pinkish always look good but practically it's easier to see if there's something wrong in there and around it.
North China is very cold while Thailand is tropical. So there's a lot of difference. Thai girls are a lot darker than Chinese girls on average, especially North China, pink nipples vs dark nipples. However, some Thai regions have pale skin girls and pink nipples. At some borders? High altitude?
Thai girls have higher professionalism. They will treat you nice, if not for the tips, they hope you will ask for them again in your next trip. Many do. Yes, there are bar girls, who promise you all night but quit after several hours. But there are place specialize in all nighters. They are more GFE.
Chinese girls are GFE in the real way. Semi-pros help you to spend your money and welcome expensive gifts. But it's not bad. Accompanying you for a few days, you can't put an exact figure on it. These girls are more in places without brothels or if you want higher end girls. Techniques varies, from they just lie there like your 1st girl friend, to BBBJCIM, rimming.
China is vast and many cities became rather expensive. Peking, Shanghai, fast growing cities with vast foreign investment. Canton, and Shenzen bordering HK. They have a lot to catch up with HK, but HK once over took Tokyo in cost of living.
Prostitution is simply illegal in China. In some places you have trouble being discovered by police with a girl in a private apartment. While in other places, you can have a huge lineup in your hotel. It all depends on how corruption is.
[url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31360]This girl[/url] isn't outstanding for Asian girl standards, Thai, PI, Chinese. Face isn't beautiful and hidden behind too much makeup. Can't see much but bigger boobs and paler. The funny thing is, that's how Chinese pimps pick the girls, which isn't the best Chinese girls have to offer. There are slimmer girls with smaller good looking boobs, much better puffies or very neat nipples.
If you look at other pictures of the same girl, you can see that her waist and legs aren't that awesome. Might be she had baby too. As for comparison, you can look at ******.com of HK. The 800 to 1000 HKD hotel reservation girls are all from China. The site is well known for it's realistic pictures. Background is the hotel room they stays. No studio lighting and modifying is extremely difficult with detailed background.
On the other hand, I think Asia is for you, China or Thailand. Just that in Thailand, don't try to compete with the locals in terms of price, and you will be doing OK, not doing those in the nasty pictures.
As for whether Chinese girls or Thai girls are more innocent ... I laughed.
Thai and Asian girls:
One thing I have noticed is that on the Thai picture board there are only a (very) few posters actually posting pictures of good-looking women. There are much better looking girls in Thailand than you might expect if you just viewed the Thai photo gallery. That said, the Thai photo gallery is realistic in the sense that most Thai pros, whether Pattaya or BKK, are not that great looking or rather the good-looking ones are too expensive for many johns, i.e. are go-go girls with a higher price tag than the more popular plain jane beer bar type. There may also be some performance issues there as well, as many report that the plainer type are more GFE. I frankly cant understand why some people would fly half way around the world to fuck ugly girls, but you see it all the time in Thailand... a shame considering all the truly sexy girls there.
I cant agree entirely on JamesD2004's language assessment regarding English fluency, as even in Germany many people dont speak English beyond a basic level, especially the pros working at FKKs, many of whom are foreigners. Enough to communicate basic ideas, but not much more. Still, this is farther than you'll probably get with most Thai or Chinese girls. In Russia and Ukraine the level of English fluency is low, but still higher than in Asia.
Some of the best Asian girls I've ever had were in HK, were you have the cheap 141 Chinese apartment girls and the more expensive take home kind from pick up bars and discos such as Dusk til Dawn or Neptune. Their English level is higher than in other Asian destinations since HK is an international city, but you'll still find plenty "just off the boat" that speak nil English. Overall you'll spend much more money in HK though, it doesnt get much cheaper than Thailand in terms of cost of living and cost of p4p sex, unless you want to go to Burma or Cambodia or something... but who really wants to do that? Certainly not as a rookie monger.
There's one thing that really hasn't been touched upon concerning Thailand. The prevalence of HIV/AIDS. That alone would make me think twice before heading out to Thailand just to screw girls. Yes it's true that it's difficult to get HIV/AIDS from normal vaginal or oral sex with an asymthomatic female (about 1/500 or 1/5000 with a condom for vaginal sex), but why take that chance if you're only going there for girls? If you have other reasons for being in Thailand, and girls are only a distraction, then that's fine. If however, your major reason for traveling to a destination is to just get girls, why take the chance when equivalent or better girls are available elsewhere?
For the sake of devil's advocate, it's worthwhile to take all hepatitis vaccine if you go to China. HK guys do. I asked for it from a South East (England) GP but they gave me the wrong type. Right for them there but not what I wanted.
If you don't go to trafficking type brothels in Thailand, I doubt if you are taking a higher risk in Thailand than China. The good think about legal brothels is that regular checkup is supposed to be done. The management watches the girls and the girls watches each other if there are health troubles. If a girl don't report other girls, it's going back to haunt them, because they are seeing the same clients.
Prostitution is illegal in China. There's no official campaign to get the prostitutes regularly examined. The number of aids estimates are not reliable. Medical services is rather backward in China and relatively expensive. Some people can't afford to give birth in Chinese hospitals, get a tourist visa to HK, give birth, walk away free. So popular that HK decided not to give birth certificates unless all fees are paid.
To extend further, I would advice not going to Asia with bird flu this season. But then Russia, Europe is also affected, which leaves America perhaps. If you have to go, best survival chance is proved to be HK. USA isn't even ready for ordinary flu. And China claims to able to manufacture huge amounts of experimental bird flu vaccine fast, the question is whether it's useful and safe. As for herpes, avoid all popular US destinations. But that will probably leave you Maurisus where Air France is the dominant carrier for once. At every meal you have abundance of weapons of mass destruction on the table.
Thailand has service for all budgets. The clubs that Thai elites go, the go-go dancers, bars, fish bowls, etc etc. If you want looks, go for the go-go girls and you cannot make a mistake. If you want affordable all nighters, go for private houses with large selections of legal teenagers for you to take home. Not as good looking but sweet cute and closer to 'innocent', hehe. Even if you don't know anybody, you can ask hotel workers for 'really good' girlfriends, drivers are best. You pay more but within reason, not anything from 100 to 300 peso that sort of thing.
China has no intention to be an international sex destination, and she put a lid on things from time to time. The exception is Macau, another special region, where prostitution is almost legal in all intent and purposes. HKers still go there a lot, then Shenzen, border with HK, and the border with Macau, and somewhere in between, cheaper. If you go there on your own, language is a problem, and you are competing with a lot of HKer's who know a lot that you don't.
Best girls are probably in Karaoke clubs - younger lower volume. But 100 USD is nothing, nothing in HK, and HKers go far inland to be treated like a king to worth the time.
On the service level, of course the girls who can't compete on looks give you the best. They will do anything safe, GFE, and even doesn't mind appear all over on the internet, what do they have to lose? That explains the unattractive photos. BTW, BBBJCIM, intense rimming is popular in Asia. In China, Taiwan and HK they are done by older girls, some not bad looking. The best I had are by 19 year old pretty girls who suck my dick out and rimmed my brain out, Chinese Malaysians, all for no extra than the going rate. So if I were to do the same comparison exercise again, I'd check out Malaysia.
We have a high concentration of Vietnamese in LA. The numbers isn't big compared to other Asians so they became a rather hot commodity. Cute young things can get away with doing massage only without even giving you a hand job. Vietnamese, Chinese Vietnamese, half French, quarter French, half African (US GI), but you have to wait a bit for quarter African Vietnamese. Many Vietnamese Americans go back at least to have look. So that's doable. Someday I go there to fuck one girl for every Vietnamese massage that I ever did without release.
Koreans are the most expensive and cheapest as well. I have to go there sometime as the sex is just a different kind of experience. You haven't been to LA or SF if you do not fuck a Korean.
I thought I know what Thai girls look like until I saw the so called Thai girls in LA. Paper white skin, the best breast that money can buy, possibly nipple and anal bleaching. I have seen a few in the same mold.
Then the Philipinas which is the largest Asian population in LA, but I don't know where to find them at all. In the only one small Philipinas club in LA, I saw the most concentration of beautiful girls and women.
And of course the abundance of Chinese girls. A weekend in Las Vegas is about USD 1000 for a beautiful early twenty something. I get it for 800 with my favorite girl. That's about cover the ticket to BKK or China. But after the 1st few days, sex becomes time killing and on the last days of the week, that's tedious overdrawn and take time to recover after the vacation. In contrast, if I go to Vegas for the weekend, and by not taking a week off, the vacations not taken became handsome savings, which can be cashed in at the latest salary rate.
I hope that it's clear that I was mostly talking about the language skills of the Johns around the world. So in Europe unless you want to learn several Eastern European languages plus Russian, the next best thing will be English, as that will the the choice of ho's for their 2nd language. Of course most don't learn much 2nd language until they are on the job as hos.
It depends on personal profile, destination profile, and reporter profile.
* Personal profile
Physical features
Budget
Service
Quality
Language Skills
Visibility
Distance
Duration
Comfort Level
Health & Safety
* Destination profile
Tourist vs local
Fault tolerance
Other activities
* Reporter profile
Reliability
Bias
Good countries to visit when it comes to p4p according to me are:
Kenya, cheap, many girls available and in Nairobi girls from all neighboring countries available. And Kenya has a lot to offer except mongering. Safaris, hiking, nice beaches etc
Thailand, also cheap, easy, many girls to choose from.
Colombia cheap, very beautiful girls, all types af girls, whites, blacks, amerindians.
Other countries well worth going to are Cambodia, PI, Uganda, Ethiopia, Mocambique, suriname, Brazil, Peru, Latvia etc.
Few attractive women that I have met would be willing to put their photos on the internet. The best posted photos on this site seem to come from Russia and Eastern Europe. As far as women are concerned, I have been blown away by the beauty and composure of many South American women who have dressing habits that are often first world.
here's how i have it broken down -
personal preference:
5'0 or taller "lorias", fair skin, light or dark eyes, light hair, coke bottle shape, with slightly larger rear end and hips, about 100-140lbs. morenas are on that list as well, same stats. ages 21-30
for comparasion purposes:
sheri's ranch, overnight with say "tj". she squrits, likes black men, does anal and for somebody beyond 30 looks very good, super tight body (all confirmed)
scale about - 8
total cost: $1525
since i have never personally met her, $25 in fuel, $300 for test drive, $1200 for i believe 10 hours in a suite (all expenses and food). not to mention 2 hours drive for total time spent about 14 hours awake and max of 4-6 hours sleep in 24 hour period.
i can most likely find somebody local for about $800 for the same quality, maybe. but again since i don't have a favorite, figure on $150-200 for test drive and $500-800 overnight with looks scale about 7-8.
total: $650-$1,000
i haven't decided which area to visit first, so i'll just list what i have so far:
lax to sao paulo 5 days and bsa for 5 days, total ticket price - $950 (plane has to refuel in sp anyway)
i guess i need a vista even for a short vist to brasil? , not sure but just say - $125
estanplaza paulista (3 star, chica friendly) - $499us for 5 days
sampa guide ride from airport, first internet chica setup, transportation for chica to and from hotel - $200r ($89.53us)
chantily has proven track record (wysiwyg).
complete service (including anal) and bbbj for $300r ($134.29us) 2 hours with extended time more than possible for minor fee.
geez first night in sao paulo i can get top level, english speaking gfe and still spent less than i would have in lv and bella is at least 7.5 on the scale with a tight body (reported) and much ass (visually confirmed).
from there i can get massage and full service from a clinica for about $160r (71.62us). looks of massues run from 5 to about 8 in the places that have been reported on.
there also private apartments and even a rio style terma in the area.
employing sampa guide for the evening runs $150r (about $60us) and includes free entry in most of the top pickup clubs and strip joints in sp. an upper level (not we) chica will run about $650r ($290.95) for overnight until 8am, maybe longer. that includes the bar fine and drinks (gringo rates).
other options include love story nigtclub which is full of non-pros and pros after midnight (its an after-hours joint) and the range is from 5-9.5 usually with anywhere from freebies to $400r for tln (reported).
but i fully expect to mix my pro action with a heavy dose of non-pro mining with sampa guide, we'll chill, get our boogie on and have a good time.
hobbying budget for sp is $1500 for 5 days of action. of course i'll try and spend less than that, in fact the 2ndary goal is to find one special chica for str, daytime sight seeing, maybe a trip to the coast to the beaches and other gfe b.s if i find that, the rate will be greatly reduced and while i do relish the chance of sampling alot of different chicas i'm sure i'll connect with one or two in the first 48 hours or so, based on meeting maybe 4-6 women in that time frame.
bsa terms and conditions:
most to the hotels near the "triangle" are chica friendly and about $60-70us a night. most of them 3-4 star. apartments run about $50-60 a day and include cable tv and high speed internet.
roxanne will set you up with an apartment, internet chica(s), pick up from the airport and even guided tour of bsa for a reasonable rate.
"triangle" chicas run from about $150-200ar for short time, about $300-400r for tln and protential for alot longer for slightly more money. those are "gringo" rates. im not sure what the "brotha" rate is yet...
chicas range from 5-9 in these clubs, tho i think some people need their eyes checked i haven't seen a visual comfirmation of a 9 yet. but the web sites are loaded with 8.5, 9's on my personal scale.
there about alot of private apartments in the relocata (sp?) area with chicas running from $60ar an half hour of fs with $20r tip for bbbj. geek is also extra. its $80ar for an hour and $20 tip for bbbj. most of the talent is from 5-8 area.
bsa has a better than average nightlife as well, so while acturate non-pro reporting is somewhat mixed, it still possible.
hobby budget is set at $1,000 based on strength of dollar vs ar peso and the apartment chicas are excellent "bang for the buck" so to speak.
so its either:
total vaction cost - $3,000est
that's equal too:
four or less all nighters at a southern neveda brothel, no take home option and no potential for "freebies". have i mention that area is baren and lv is 55 mins away?
i doubt seriously i could find an 7-8 local provider that will give me 10 days worth of services equal to the gfe/pse level i believe i can find in south america. i can find services in other areas like mexico and central america for about the same or less when added with travel cost.
but i really like "loiras" and sp and bsa have the highest concentration of european influence.
i'm not trying to make this longer, but i think this will help other in my postion.
european tour -
lax to manchester 2 days (non pro visit) then on to frankfurt, germany
ticket price - $870 total with taxes
this trip has the potential for alot of non-pro action. according to my intel, germany is very "hot" for a guy such as myself (black male, mid 30's, in shape, above averge looks, no kids, never married, good career, etc, etc).
the hardest part is going to be to narrow down all the personal ads i have run across and then cordinate my traveling with where they live. the goal here is mining for ltr with relocation possiblities, something i've never been able to do despite having more than a few internet relationships with ladies from germany, sweden and the netherlands over the years.
between all that, i do want to sample the german fkk scene and depending on just what happens on the non-pro front, train down to prague and check out the fkk's, non-pro nightclub action and maybe get in a few privates as well.
because of the exchange rate between the us dollar and euro, it actually would cost less to go to europe, but more to hobby. this is why the non-pro front is more important here. but the value of the fkk's in germany are very good, even if timing limiting and no reasonable take home option.
prague ffk but for big sister have a take home option and the exchange rate is still good enough to get reasonable value at the fkk, even if the privates are better, yet harder to find.
depending on what your goals are, if your a brotha into the european look like myself, you might want to start in europe first and then try south america.
if my goal was to just bang as much as possible i would consider phi my next stop, as phlips in the us like black men and i talked to a couple of girls down there already, its just not high on my list. i doubt if i can sneak in another 10 days off and another several thousand dollar trip next year. going to both europe and south america looks like it will set me back around $6000-7000 us. now that sounds like alot, but i hardly have any bills and even still is only about 1/4 of my total net income, not gross. my first trip will be heavily offsetted by my tax return, bringing the net cost of the first trip down by at least $1,000 if not more, making the plane ride and some of my hotel stay free.
the hobby budget is based on saving about $550 a month out of my income which is just about half of my weekly pay so that's easy.
target date for either trip is april/may. i realize that's the coolest time of the year for brasil and argentina, so i might opt for europe first as i would be getting in just before holiday/vaction summertime peak.
sorry for the long post.
I'm not a brutha. For STR Asia should be serious considered by anybody. Really exotic and adventurous may be going to Mongolia hunting for the rare blonds that are direct decedents of Amazon warriors. Otherwise, the place may be old, but they have infrastructure, reputation, experience. Girls don't grow old, constant supply of new girls.
Personal preference are difficult. Say, everyone wants coke bottle shape. 100 lb at age 21 have to be Asian girl. Rear end have to be Brazilian. China have all sorts, except for the hair, and you have to research where best to go for such a large place.
I picked BsA for European looks, but putting them side by side, I picked a Brazilian, and a skinny Paraguay girl with Asian body type. And I have to stop myself from picking more Brazilians. My lesson is that absolute beauty easily outweigh preference. East/Central Europe is a better bet, I bet they don't import that much.
I would be flexible on the age. If you start at 18, by 21 you will be physically or mentally desensitized. At late 20's to 30, women can be better with maturity but these women aren't and can't take care of themselves as normal women.
Forget about Nevada brothels. Last place on earth I would go there even if free. They are that bad. Those who go there are exceptionally (I couldn't find a word). All ratings and confirmation are off the charts.
Don't expect you can easily get an allnighter in anywhere in the world, unless the joint has a lineup, and then you pick one and take her home by default. If the girl also charges by the hour, many factors will be against an allnighter. If the girl is hot, she can easily get a few hourly clients per evening. It doesn't make any economic sense unless you are willing to pay at least 3 or 4 times near the end of her shift. And you don't really want a tired girl.
Say in LA, I doubt if many will accept an offer without knowing you well. Not just a test drive to know each other, but like a regular. Many girls cannot offer GFE and therefore an all nighter, if on the menu, is useless.
I hate that when you are hit over $1500 for ticket and hotel without doing anything. If you have sex 5 times that would be $300 each. If you stay at home and spread it out instead of 5 days in a roll, that will be much more enjoyable.
Guides in say Thailand are more affordable. English speaking driver with transport for whole day. Tourist guy by day and sex guide by night. Pretty safe to go anywhere.
BsA internet big screw up. It's like LA without review sites like T E R. Would Brazil be better?
$300 R for two hours is very realistic. But I remember BsA is more expensive than Brazil, but the aids and crime statistics stick out like a sore thumb. In BsA private apartments, service completo cost a lot less 100-120 peso an hour, for girls that Jackson would do.
$650 R TLN should be realistic as that's 300 USD, but as I said, if she also charges per hour, she can get that in less than two hours.
Try hooking up with non-pros with a local guide, that would be fun. I would guess they will try to ruin it for you, then take you to a quality joint and get a small cut.
I don't suppose Brazil real estate will be more expensive than Recoleta. So it's worthwhile to pay more for hotel space there. Book early for apartment for high season.
"Triangle Chicas run from about $150-200AR for short time, about $300-400R for TLN and potential for alot longer for slightly more money. " Do the math. It doesn't make sense. For Blacks and similar clubs, 300 AR or 100 US for 1 hour. A girl offer me 900 AR or 300 US for 3 hour, no concession. She must have passed her elementary arithmetic. You could do better than me of course. I lived across Blacks. When I walked out every night, I was in danger of some street promoter dragging me into Blacks. I sit near the extreme end opposite the stage for a quiet drink with my girl, but the stripper came to dance on my table for the two of us. My girl told me to go to the toilet first before we left, even I lived across the street. Her friend in charge of the toilet must be trying to hit me with a big tip, as the tip tray contains all big peso notes. In the other club, they won't allow me to walk nor take a taxi. I took one of those jack black cars for VIPs. The driver looked more like a security agent.
However, an internet girl, after we finished, did offer me TLN for around several times the hourly rate of 100 AR I think. She's not the best but alright, but that was early time in the trip and I still had high expectations. I turned her down. But more importantly, apart from looks, the way she kissed me, looked at me, talked to me, wasn't meeting my criteria. In LA, even if I can afford it, there's only I girl I ever met I would TLN with. She's Asian with very unique background, so it's as good as none. In W Europe, a few girl passed my criteria. Asia, plenty.
Remember, LA escort sites are all loaded with pictures of 10's. After a few I gave up on the internet girls in BsA.
I have visited a few private apartments in day time. There's only one that I approve of, which Jackson used. Around 100 AR and a little more for complete service. Take out also available and any hotel is much better than that dump, though maybe it's the best dump. By the way, the girl I saw I'm happy to spend the night with her. But I had to get to the airport right after. Don't know if TLN is an option. But like I said, she could have done 10 guys into late evening, and I don't think she would like to leave early.
$3000 equals
0 in Nevada - if you like porn stars passed sell by date, OK, but better spread the time rather than TLN.
3 TLN in LA with good looking Asian girl, if you are lucky. 3 x 1 hr straight sex with 18 year old blond dancer, if you are lucky.
I ended up with no TLN in a week in BsA. You need serious help and its obvious where to find it. So it would have been better for me with 10 x $300 encounters spread evenly over many weeks in LA. $300 buys a lot these days because of the price pressure from CL, the crack down of MP's, and a large surplus of Korean girls. If you are Asian, a lot cheaper than $300 for a start. One reason for Asian only is because in the USA aids statistics, white men are the top risk, while Asian women are as low risk as any other country in the world. They want to keep it that way.
Asia - sure thing. But TLN take out places don't have test drive. It sort of make sense. But for the good price and selection, it doesn't hurt that much if the 1st one doesn't meet expectation. Take another one.
Sorry James it sounded like Im not flexible I am... :)
Ages and things are only starting points. About TLN's I know going in its a crap shoot and all that stuff. Who knows what would really happen once I actually get down there early next year, but I feel I have handle on it for the most part. All the ISG's boards do an excellent job of making things easy to find and work with.
I also understand the dynamics I was just outlining a plan and trying to point how hopelessly pointless a local or Neveda outting would be. It just doesn't make sense.
I like thick and thin girls I just wanna get away from the American "Cows" that are always blowing up my Inbox on personal ad sites... I mean Im not perfect, I could lose about 10lbs, I don't run as fast as I used too and its harder to dunk, all signs of not keeping in shape and aging, but dayum I'd wish these 250lbs heffers would leave me alone!
Brazilians are in a class all alone... I don't think anything on earth comes close in overall packaging.
Thanks for the input, I must be on the right track if you didn't totally pick it apart - :D
Okay so you picked it apart a bit more: D
I'd don't like the idea of spending $1500 before I even tagged anybody either, but being white or asian you don't have women hanging up the phone on you talking about "I don't do black guys" or something to that effect.
That has happen more than once here.
Not to say that won't happen to me in BsA or even Brasil (I doubt I'll be making the call myself anyway), but from the couple of black guys that have PM'ed me said they had no problems at all down there. I would venture to say that they are most likely decidedly older than me too.
I'm not going to go on record saying I would get better service just because I look 25 as opposed to looking 55, but as with all things YMMV. I'm not counting on it either. I too am not totally impressed with the quality og chicas that Jackson makes use of. Not totally bowled over by the posted pictures of chicas from any of the "Triangle" area clubs or even Apartments. Okay maybe my standards are higher, there some decent talent out there.
Internet chicas are hit and miss anywhere, but seems some of the sites are reliable up to a point.
Its still a bit early, the non-pro front is still developing. There is always the possiblity of me hitting Europe first. Afterall I have already one non-pro lock but she has 2 kids and I really rather not get more physical than I have to. Just makes it messy, speaking from experience. She wants LTR, I'm not so sure.
I just have to say this.
It maybe all pink inside but I like the outter wrapping too much and honestly for a guy like me in my situation I could bang sista, after sista, left and right for free. I also got BBW's standing in line, so the question isn't getting p***y its the SELECTION I have available, the rigamarole to even get the p***y and I don't like it.
I have several Asian friends and every so often I go party with them. Its just not what I want and I see attractive Asians of all ethnic backgrounds, it just doesn't interest me, not even for free and for sure not p4p.
Brasil vs BsA -
It only would cost $170 more to fly down to BsA on the same ticket. It would only represent 1 internet chica in ($200R for 1 hour) SP or (2) Messages with full service, completo in an Clinica for $120R an hour.
If you feel Brasil is more worth while, you won't get an argument from me.
But nothing ventured is one of my mottos.
The clubs I kinda wanted to check out, just to check out. I'm not sure I would pull anybody from there, especially if the price wasn't reasonable, but I'm sure their are bargins to be had.
I would most likely ask for "Take Out" from the apartments its only $10AR more I think. I mean their a few options and I didn't feel like more than 5 days was worth while in BsA especially when I don't know much spanish at all.
BsA internet is highly unreliable. The reliable sites didn't turn me on. Some are decorative girls, who you can never book. If you pre-book well in advance at a good local rate, the chance they turn up is low. Just like USA and many other places, the most reliable is you call when you are ready, or one or two hours in advance. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? They also don't quote TLN prices for most. If you ask they say they don't offer.
And if anybody turn up, prepare taxi fare and they will go with a smile if you don't want her. But it's a bit tedious.
Minorities are often disproportionally high in hookers in many countries. And they often foreign workers if the living standard is higher than neighboring countries. LA has probably more blond as anyone can afford to dye their hair with good quality blond color. Even in the best clubs and apartments, the enthicity is well mixed. You import girls because they looks better for the same rate.
For apartments, you don't have lineups of six after six after six. That's only in Asia.
Clubs, the best clubs has decent dress code so you can't see much skin as in bikini. The lighting in some clubs are dark. The hot girls often hang out with their regular groups. In other clubs, girls keep coming up so you have a hard time to turn them all down so as to have a good look around.
The good thing is that La Recoleta Cemetry is on the world's list of places to visit. (But no one told me that, but I saw the outside everyday.) And if you are a startup professional USA football (soccer) team travelling overseas to learn something, that will work nicely for non-pro in Manchester or BsA I suppose.
[QUOTE=James D 2004]BsA internet is highly unreliable. The reliable sites didn't turn me on. Some are decorative girls, who you can never book. If you pre-book well in advance at a good local rate, the chance they turn up is low. Just like USA and many other places, the most reliable is you call when you are ready, or one or two hours in advance. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? They also don't quote TLN prices for most. If you ask they say they don't offer.
And if anybody turn up, prepare taxi fare and they will go with a smile if you don't want her. But it's a bit tedious.
Minorities are often disproportionally high in hookers in many countries. And they often foreign workers if the living standard is higher than neighboring countries. LA has probably more blond as anyone can afford to dye their hair with good quality blond color. Even in the best clubs and apartments, the enthicity is well mixed. You import girls because they looks better for the same rate.
For apartments, you don't have lineups of six after six after six. That's only in Asia.
Clubs, the best clubs has decent dress code so you can't see much skin as in bikini. The lighting in some clubs are dark. The hot girls often hang out with their regular groups. In other clubs, girls keep coming up so you have a hard time to turn them all down so as to have a good look around.
The good thing is that La Recoleta Cemetry is on the world's list of places to visit. (But no one told me that, but I saw the outside everyday.) And if you are a startup professional USA football (soccer) team travelling overseas to learn something, that will work nicely for non-pro in Manchester or BsA I suppose.[/QUOTE]Actually she lives in Blackpool, the closest airport is Manchester.
I totally agree with you on all points and I have started to re-think what I would do down there. It does look like alot of the internet chicas do not associate with the "lesser" women you find in the "Triangle". I would never setup TLN with anybody without meeting them first or even a second time.
Thanks for your input James, especially since your a local in the brotherhood.
Suggestions.
Vacation time coming up and I wanna take a trip somewhere where the flight, board and mongering is least expensive.
Any suggestions based on your experiences?
Ladies race does not matter, luv'em all from Latinas to Asians...it's all pink inside!
Thanks,
Maloso
Germany is a good bet, take a look at the board on FKK clubs.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=406534&postcount=5[/url]
Best bargain? Cheapest pussy?
Who cares? I have seen a lot of places in Africa where you can get sex for as low as 500F CFA, which is less than a 1$. Who cares if you can find it for 0.5$, 1$ or 2$ if you need to pay ME for 100 000$ before I will agree to put my dick in it!
But what if you can fuck a 20 year old gorgeous blonde goddess with an incredible body that looks like Cameron Diaz in an upscale clean safe and legal environment in a developped country for only...25 bucks?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414531&postcount=576[/url]
To each his own, FKK is just one example, the best for FKK fans of course. See discussion at [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=408171&postcount=6[/url]
I think from the research and prices it looks like a trip to Europe is what I'm settling on, found airfare from L.A. to Spain for $350 R/T, from there I'll probably take the train to France and Germany home of the FKK clubs!
Was thinking Argentina or Brasil but airfare is double, even though expenses are probably cheaper.
So it looks like a European mongering trip.
Thanks for the input all.
Maloso
Guys,
I still have a lot of travelling and mongering to get through but here's my view on best places.
I am reasonably impressed with Poland. The girls there can offer good service and can be very beautiful. There are the obvious language problems and prices are starting to creep. I'm looking forward to FKK experience, it's criminal that I have neither been there nor to Prague when (for a UK resident) they are more or less on my doorstep. Holland quite good but the pros are a bit boring the way they add 20 euros on for everything. You can go in for a 50 Euro suck and fuck and end up paying 90-100 for what you actually want ie a bit of doggie or to actually feel their tits (shock horror)
As for UK, Manchester wins hands down and still offers excellent value for money for filthy fun. If I go to Poland, I've spent a few hundred sterling on my hotel and flight so a 'Larry goes mad in Manchester' would probably have a similar effect on my wallet to 'Larry goes mad in Warsaw'.
If you guys can spend a few days in Manchester England you have to do the Bury- Manchester city centre run - there are dozens of brothels starting from 'The Wonder Lounge' (Great girls, great service) and 'Arabesque' (mediocre looking but really mucky) in Bury town centre all the way down the Bury Old Road, through Whitefield, you'll pass Hayleys, Sandy's Superstars, Gemini, Julie's, Bunty's, Salon 24, International massage etc etc until you hit Manchester City Centre and places like selecta 2000 where you can get 30mins with a girl for £40, £5 extra for deep french kissing.
Buy the Manchester Evening News and you'll see them all advertised - with a little research guys and a command of the English language you will find this place a real Mecca for fun (although I am a little bit biased to UK) - at many of these establishments you can get 30-40mins (no time wasting bullshit) for £45-50 with girls who at WL and Sandy's consistently push 7-9 and are very horny and friendly.
Happy mongering.
How is Greece and Israel for STR girls?
Value for pussy, probably this would go to Brazil, although airfare is expensive, the quality of sex is in the stratosphere. Some parts of Europe are suprisingly affordable, Costa Del Sol in Spain during the summer months is a good bet.
Many times I ve heard that Argentina was a girls nest. Beauties everywhere. Maybe of one you could tell me more about it?
[blue]Hi Osafado,
Please visit http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
People who are content where they are are the minorities. That's the natural pyramid of things within each organization. Poor countries like the welfare and opportunities of richer countries. Rich Asian countries like the bigger and cheaper houses in Europe. And the goods are cheaper because the rent of the shops are much cheaper. Europeans want the bigger and cheaper houses in USA. Even today the CA prices are quite good. And with the minute VAT the prices are made in heaven. Guess what, Americans want the bigger and cheaper houses in Australia.
But the Australians like to travel, so much so that there is a constant stream of transient population in the Kangaroo Valley - Earl's Court in East London. Some take months and years of their life to travel until they broke then they recover over there. There's lots of Australian hookers too, which are rather good but nowadays not as good as the Eastern Europeans.
If you like Australians London and Munich is even better in the summer months and if you make it to Oct. These are not just any Australians, but selected Australians who want to get wild away from home. I've met an Irish Catholic. That's the 1st thing her friend told everybody, so that we are all clear about her aim, and so that we should excuse her behavior. I went to their room to say goodbye but end up in her bed talking and drinking. I decided to let my hair down when the black security guard of the cheap B&B came in to check the no. of occupancy in the room. I could have paid up for a bed and do it in one of the twin bed while the other watching, TV or whatever. But I took the chance and left.
In the Beer Fest, while I was walking around gathering my private army of Israeli girls just out of army training camp, an Australian guy grabbed me and asked me to join them. He even pointed to a girl like he has been taking care of like his little sister. I couldn't help because I had already had an army to take care of. The boys all went off for anyone that are not one of their own, so they can get crazy enough to chat up a girl while pissing.
Italian girls are more open to aliens. I think they all love Americans better than the other Europeans. There are some beach resort towns where the GI goes. The girls will hit you up as long as you can possibily be a GI.
[QUOTE=James D 2004]In the Beer Fest, while I was walking around gathering my private army of Israeli girls just out of army training camp, an Australian guy grabbed me and asked me to join them. He even pointed to a girl like he has been taking care of like his little sister. I couldn't help because I had already had an army to take care of. The boys all went off for anyone that are not one of their own, so they can get crazy enough to chat up a girl while pissing..[/QUOTE]Israeli girls are very beautiful, I met the love of my life, a gal from Haifa, on Kho San Road. They are also quite cliquish...more so than any other group of folks I have ever met. They almost always travel in packs, are usually not very approachable, and its very difficult to penetrate their tight knight social group. But they are absolute monsters in bed.
[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]Israeli girls are very beautiful, I met the love of my life, a gal from Haifa, on Kho San Road. They are also quite cliquish...more so than any other group of folks I have ever met. They almost always travel in packs, are usually not very approachable, and its very difficult to penetrate their tight knight social group. But they are great absolute monsters in bed.[/QUOTE]From what i heard, that's true. But once you enter their group, they are going to be the best friends you ever had(according to various sources).
Being middle eastern, the Israeli look encompasses the Red sea to the Black Sea. I guess they look Ethiopian to Russian, South and North European, Arabian and Persian.
My group has a girl that looks like Cleopatra. Million dollar plastic surgery couldn't get you that eyes and nose. I couldn't keep my eyes out of her when we 1st met. The other reason is that her perfect head rest on a balloon like body. She was still very young and not at all flabby. She told me that she recently took the pill and suffers the common side effect of ballooning, and she lost her boy friend.
They are indeed rather good friends. One boy will hit any Asian girls he saw, bring me along as the partner with the brain, and he's the partner with the looks. But I rather be the other way round. The other bigger boy basically earn his respects with a bullet hole on his chest. He cheers everybody up with his constant dumb Rambo impressions, whenever I do something serious like reading. His favorite pick up line is I'm dumb or I'm a Jew, and that works in the circumstances. It's he who showed me how to try chatting up a girl while pissing, and hitting up 12 year old students on a school trip. All for laughs and harmless fun. I went extreme downhill cart racing. The lack of body mass to overcome fiction made me fly off many feet off the tracks to keep up. I fell onto the finishing line from 10 ft, sliding pass the line behind my cart. Two of the girls rushed to the wreckage and carried me off. I wasn't broken, but seriously scratched on both elbows. They patched me up simultaneously - army quality with proper bandages. On several occasions, I did spend a long time together on Cleopatra's bed, in public. She also let me into her hotel room once when nobody's around. Either I didn't want to hurt my other chances, or I was carried away by Antony day dreams. I thought she hated me for just talking. But the next summer, I got her letter saying that she wanted to visit me. After all, what does a general's daughter do when she also wanted to get wild for a while?
Rod Liddle
An opinion poll of young European men recently asked which of the Continent’s women they would most like to sleep with. Italian and French girls took the honours, but there was a strong showing from the Swedish ladies, which shows that a lot of gentlemen really do prefer blondes, even if they’re likely to harangue you about Third World debt and gender inequalities before, after or even during the act of intercourse. British girls were nowhere in sight, but we should not reflect too sadly upon this — because there was another question a little further down the page, and our babes won by a mile. It asked, which country’s women have you already slept with? Absolutely no contest.
This propensity of British girls to give of themselves, selflessly, over and over again, their minds seemingly unpoisoned by even the vaguest notions of discrimination, is excellent news for our tourism industry, which over the last few years has shown greater growth than any other in Europe. Youth tourism (meaning for those under the age of 35 — you may have noticed that the definition of ‘youth’ has gloriously expanded in recent years, perhaps in line with the increasing age of our population) constitutes a respectable 20 per cent of the world market. Aside from being lucrative, it also, according to the World Tourism Organisation, ‘plays a highly important social integration function’, a concept which British girls have taken to their hearts in a most committed and literal fashion. So about this time each year, when Europe’s young men mull over their holiday options, their limited budgets mean that they are apt to forget that what they really yearn for is to sink back into the fragrant, sophisticated embrace of a Collette or Gina; they are rational, they go for what is achievable — a quick knee-trembler by the bins behind the local KFC from a Kylie or a Kelis. They may indeed end up with a pig in a poke, but at least it will be an amenable and accommodating pig. A guaranteed poke in a pig, in fact.
The question which British tourism chiefs should be asking one another is why this should be the case, why British women are so much more accommodating than the girls of Spain, Luxembourg or Belgium. After all, one should always very carefully look a gift horse in the mouth.
In fact, this is a comparatively recent phenomenon. British girls were not always ‘easy’, as they say; ease of access has been thrust upon them somehow during the last 30 or 40 years and with a wholeheartedness that is not yet apparent on the European mainland. It has been a quite remarkable social change and one not frequently commented upon, except obliquely, perhaps for reasons of political correctness. It is, of course, a woman’s right to choose to have an infinite number of sexual partners if she so wishes, and not one which we ought to question. And so, over the last half-century or so, the average number of sexual partners enjoyed by women in their mid-twenties has risen from zero or one to 12 or 14. The number of sexual partners enjoyed by similarly aged men has increased too, although not nearly so dramatically. From which one can perhaps deduce that there is a gap between doing and admitting; men still admit to having had more sexual partners than women, but the gap is narrowing by the year. The real social change, then, has not been in male behaviour — which is much as it ever was — but in female behaviour. The old, traditional notion that women were the ‘gatekeepers’ to sexual intercourse has dissolved, for one reason or another. British women are not guarding their gates with anything like the discipline or rigour which they once did or, so it would seem, women still do 20 miles away across the Channel.
The reasons cited for such a change and discrepancy usually fit the political prejudices of the people advancing them. The decline of the Established Church in Britain and as a result the winnowing away of such notions as deferred gratification (a formerly potent, Protestant-derived ethic now almost extinct in every walk of British life) and the consequent absence of any ideological justification for sexual virtue and virginity, for example. But there’s not much doubt that this is in the mix somewhere. Weddings now seem to be viewed as enjoyable, if expensive, social gatherings which can be repeated with impunity every four or five years or so. We might also aver that the pull of the Roman Catholic Church in Spain, France and Italy has declined far less markedly. But it is hard to make a case for Britain as a more secular country than, say, Holland and Denmark, or even the Protestant tranche of Germany.
The fashionable explanation these days is alcohol or, to use the government-approved buzz phrase, ‘binge-drinking’. Or, to use the gender-appropriate term from the glossy magazines — the ‘ladette’ culture of young women drinking vast amounts of alcohol and then, having chemically removed their inhibitions, physically removing their clothes at the drop of a hat. We are told ad infinitum by bourgeois commentators that over here we do not have a culture which properly understands or appreciates alcohol; instead of enjoying a nice glass of Sancerre with our meal at an agreeable pavement café, accompanied by, say, a plate of olives and some peasant-recipe crusty bread, we swallow vast gallons of acrid plonk with a bag of Walkers and then throw up in the bushes and stagger home with an ill-considered partner. But these dark ruminations ignore two crucial factors. Firstly, British women do not succumb unwittingly to the depredations of Wikid and Archers and so on and then helplessly surrender their virtues. They drink vast quantities in order to partake of ad-hoc sexual intercourse: the intention was there at the beginning of the evening — and if you doubt that, look at what they chose to wear when they were still sober. Alcohol may lubricate the romantic, moist rummagings by the bins behind the KFC, but I would argue that the motive was present already, m’Lud.
It is hard, too, to blame radical feminism. Sure, what began as a movement almost pathologically distrustful of men has evolved into an ideology which has embraced us beyond our wildest dreams. I well remember a former girlfriend of mine informing me sadly, by means of an explanation for her outrageous act of infidelity with a close friend, that she had been ‘programmed by the patriarchal society never to say no to a man’ and hence she’d been coerced by the white male hegemony into shagging my mate. On a dhurrie. She had not meant to, but she had. That was back in about 1981, the time of the Greenham Common women and organisations called ‘Neasden Wimmin Against Everything’ and so on, a time when one simply did not demur in the face of feminist arguments about, well, anything. Since then the thesis has evolved from ‘We can’t say no!’ to ‘Why the hell should we say no?’, which is, frankly, fine by me. But again, it is difficult to make the argument that feminism was any more strident in Britain than it was in Germany or Holland.
It may, in the end, prove to be a combination of all of these factors, allied to perpetual exposure to a popular press and televisual media that are obsessed with sexual intercourse in all of its increasingly diverse manifestations. Sex lurches towards us from every conceivable, sulphurous angle. Even Tories have sex these days, quite openly: what is the world coming to?
My suspicion is that British girls ‘put out’, as the Americans have it, because they are expected to and because there is no reason not to. They are doing what society — and Italian male tourists — expect of them, without fear or favour. If you think they are wrongheaded in their behaviour, then think quickly and invent a reason for them to change their behaviour. Meanwhile, the rest of Europe can lie back and simply enjoy
Read the full Sex and Society survey at [url]www.yougov.com/archives/spectator[/url]
What kind of jobs do you have that enables you to travel a lot or gives you the freedom to travel a lot?
No one dared to answer Stpradiohead question so far, even if it is a major one. I guess probably because most of us don’t want to reveal too much about their personal life. Let me try it. I imagine there are a lot of silent readers who wonder how all those lucky bastards manage to travel around the world and screw hundreds of girls. Here are the clues.
There are two kinds of travellers, those who do it for their job and are paid for it and those who need to pay to travel.
There are two kinds of professional travellers, the short time travellers and the expats. From a mongering point of view, best is to be a short time traveller. Your family stays safely at home while you are spending the company’s money in hotels, restaurants, airplanes, taxis which allows you to screw hundreds of women around the world. Once at home, you are again the responsible father and husband taking care of his family. No one will ever notice you live different lives.
Being an expat mongerer is an option only for single IMHO. Be aware that in third world countries, there is no straight line between the pros and the amateurs. Sooner or later, your private life will be mixed with your mongering life. Even single mongerers need to be mentally very strong to separate those two lives. I’m an expat myself, I’ve lived for many years all over the world, but I’ve always followed this basic rule I made for myself: I never monger in the country where I live.
Back to the question, how to become a professional traveller? It is actually quite easy to find a job like this. The world economy is becoming more and global and most people simply don’t want to leave home. There is a lack of skilled people ready to travel. Don’t tell me none of these fields may apply to you:
Government sector: diplomatic staff, militaries, Intelligence…
Non-governmental: humanitarian volunteers…
Transport sector: pilots, stewards, sailors…
Technical private sector: electricians, automations, mechanicals, welders, fitters, site managers (oil, industry, construction, high-tech….)
Business private sector: sales managers, financial investors…
Management private sector: foreign subsidiary manager, project managers …
Professionals without location: writers, computer programmers, artists…
If you are not ready to leave your actual job that doesn’t allow you to travel, then you simply need to pay for it. Then again, there are the short time and the long time travellers. Huh, long time tourists? Yess!!! There are plenty of lucky bastards, fully retired (I know some of them that are still young, but they have earned enough money to stop working) and leaving abroad in a tropical paradise with plenty of pussy.
There are two major issues, money and family. Money is not the major one. Anyone can afford a short time vacation, take a car and drive either to Montreal or Tijuana from USA or to Frankfurt, Barcelona or Prague from Europe. Even far away, on the long term, it may be less expensive abroad than staying at home in countries like Thailand, Cambodia, Philippines, Colombia…
Family is a much bigger issue. Some lucky bastards have the balls once the children are grown up to kick their wife out of their life and take back their freedom and dignity and go to live as a king in paradise with their well earned money for the last remaining years. Most don’t love enough their wife to be happy to have her as the sole sex supplier for the rest of life. But most don’t hate their wife enough to throw her away like a peace of shit after all those years spend together. So, most continue living together, paying for being ruled, listening to female bullshits without sex rewards while the years are passing…
It will be tough convincing your wife to live in Thailand once retired. Some manage to do it, just make a compromise on which country she would like to go to.
Still, she will easily accept to go on vacation in a tropical paradise for a few weeks. Just make sure to book a country allowing short daytime sex supply.
Here my best advise: manage to take some vacation alone. Just do it. What will she do, leave you? Even better! In fact you may be surprised how easily she will accept it. Some just simply can't believ that she will accept it and prefer to come with some bullshit about a professional trip. It's up to you. If you act naturally, not as if you are guilty, you don't need to lie. She probably also needs a break and is tired of having you all day long at home. Here a few clues:
Take Spanish courses, the training school organises at the end of the year a week of intensive practise in Mexico.
Take salsa lessons, there is a week of intensive dancing in Cuba.
Go sporting every week with a hiking club, they go each year all together hiking a week abroad.
Take sail lessons, the last session is around the Caribbean.
Archeology is your new hobby and after some time, you really want to discover the Maya temples.
You want to find back your roots, you definitely need to visit the country where your ancestors came from.
You have always wanted to visit the Amazone in survival conditions.
Go with your buddy to the famous beer festival in Munich, or the automobile mess in Frankfurt, no wife will be suspicious about Germany (haha!).
Whatever, it doesn’t matter, just go. Life is short.
Once she starts to allow herself also to travel alone and go shopping in London, Paris or New York, you have reached your goal. You don't need anymore to come up with a complicated story, each it's own freedom for a week or two every year, but probably not for the same purpose!
[b]Routard[/b]
Just following up on your post where you made some great points however, if I may just add my two Pesos worth;
[indent]One: what you should remember that a company doesn’t send people overseas if they can already find the skills set in the country you are going to. You are not going to get a job, just because of your passport because unless you have something special to offer that cannot already be found in the country you wish to work in then forget it. In Asia, Africa and Latin American you can get five or six able degree educated people for what it would cost to send you overseas.[/indent][indent]Two: remember it’s not a holiday it’s 100% work, so at the end of the day you still have to produce the goods. If you are unable to work then why else would they send you over there - just to fuck the local women?[/indent][indent]Three: at times it’s a solitary life despite the fact that yes you have access to many hot women, many who'll wish to fuck you as much as you want them, but I believe its already been mentioned in the forum but you don’t shit on your own doorstep. Hookers are a good option for short time relief; I know many descent professional women in the Philippines who I maintain a 100% professional relationship but non sexual.[/indent][indent]Four: most companies expect you to be at their beck and call at all hours despite the fact that it might be nearly midnight your time, and many of the calls could easily be dealt with using just an e-mail. I have had incidents where the telephone has not rang once all day and then at 10pm whilst getting a BBBJ in the Star of Light, in Bangkok and then the phone goes off, all I could do was take the call an carry on business like, as the girl went about her business. Fate has a way of doing such things to you. [/indent][indent]Five: Its hard on your body physically, many times I have worked all week then on Friday night fly to the other side of the world and be expected to be ready to work first thing Monday morning in Melbourne. Trust me it might look glamorous at first travelling business class and staying in five star hotels but there is no way you can hit the drink, if you have to work, when I am coming back from Asia I prefer eat before I catch my flight then sleep as much as I can on the way back, because the moment you get home you are expected to get straight back into work, after a 14 hour flight, land at 5am and in work for 9am. You need to keep fit and there are many things you can do to beat the serious effects of jet-lag[/indent]
OK you still want to work overseas? You think its all about the money, I have seen many guys doing long term postings who have long term girlfriend and enviably they end up taking care of these girls even though they have no plans on marrying them. But at the end of their time they do not end up as much money as planned. I recall one guy who was paying for his Brazilian girlfriend in a three year college course and was also planning to leave her the $35,000 flat they were sharing; OK he also had a flat in London, which he was renting out whilst he was overseas, but he was happy with the arrangement.
Working overseas has many good points but like any job on the flip side there are also the down sides.
I’d like to ask a related, but slightly different question. Suppose you wanted to become a true citizen of the world/monger. Leave aside family and work considerations. Assume fluency in English and possibly able to pick up one other language. Where is the best place to choose as your base of operations? That is, a place to keep a home, but where you would only spend small amounts of time between excursions. Or, is it better to just cut yourself loose and have no permanent address? Is that even feasible?
I've wondered that myself but for all kinds of security and health reasons you need someplace in america at least I do.Once you have a health issue your not going to feel comfortable being someplace foreign.I recently picked up a stomach virus while traveling in jamaica and that was a huge wake up call for me.
I'm working on giving myself the freedom to go away for a few months or weeks then come back.I dont like to be back for long but at least I can recoup my energies and plan my next journey.At some point maybe I'll find someplace I'm extremely comfortable with enough to plop myself down but I think being a "world citizen" is way more intresting.Also the way politics are shaping up you never know whats going to happen were you are so I wouldn't put all my energy into one place unless you really love it and see a future there.
[QUOTE=hardbarg]I’d like to ask a related, but slightly different question. Suppose you wanted to become a true citizen of the world/monger. Leave aside family and work considerations. Assume fluency in English and possibly able to pick up one other language. Where is the best place to choose as your base of operations? That is, a place to keep a home, but where you would only spend small amounts of time between excursions. Or, is it better to just cut yourself loose and have no permanent address? Is that even feasible?[/QUOTE]
The answer as to where would be your best location as a base of operations would depend on what kind of meat you fancy white, dark, hispanic or oriental.
Cutting yourself loose is entirely possible with online billing and such things. You might still need a physical address for one or two things but you can fix that easily with a mail service company. If you don't need to be employed to earn an income and you're in good health, I'd say that it is quite easy to roam the world mongering without being tied to any one place.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I've wondered that myself but for all kinds of security and health reasons you need someplace in america at least I do.Once you have a health issue your not going to feel comfortable being someplace foreign.I recently picked up a stomach virus while traveling in jamaica and that was a huge wake up call for me.
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This is an interesting statement, Artisttyp, and I have to assume that you must have very good health insurance from your employer or something. As you know I am currently living in Ecuador; I haven't been to to the doctor here yet, but do have a dentist here, and I can honestly say that the dental care I recieve here in Ecuador is 5 times better than that in the US; granted, I have to pay out of pocket for all my services, but since I am self employed in the US, I have to pay 100% of my insurance premiums in the States anyways, which can run up to $200 or more a month depending on the plan, and I'm a young, healthy guy! (I often wonder how people with pre-existing conditions even get health insurance in the US). Also, I know a few people in California who actually LEAVE the country and go to Mexico to see the doctor/dentist, or (especially) to get their prescriptions filled, because it's so expensive in the US. Even with my insurance, the co-pays and deductables were starting to get out of hand. At least here in Ecuador if I need to go to the doctor, I don't need to get 'authorized' by an insurance company, or go into debt in order to pay my deductables/co-pays.
If all that's keeping you from ex-patriating is the 'healthcare system' in the US, I urge you to reconsider. There are some excellent, American trained doctors overseas that cost much less to see than the monthly insurance premiums people pay in the states. IMHO, the American health care system is like an American Woman, overpriced and not worth the hassle.
I have heard that some medical practices are better in foreign countries such as the phillipines for dentistry.I guess my concern would be knowing someone to set me up with the "right" doctor. I would hate to play the process of elimination with my health.It sounds like someone steered you in the right direction and your satisfied with the service you are getting.I still haven't gotten out of my protective bubble with that issue.
I have heard horror stories as well when traveling for medical procedures.Mexico has been the source of many reports of malpractice especially when it comes to plastic surgery.It all depends where you get your source of referal from.I'd be intrested to know who you trusted to lead you to proper medical care? Is there a list of american doctors by country somewhere on the net? You bring up a valid point thank you for addressing these concerns.
I do have good health care here and yes it is provided to me through a company I used to work for that settled a discrimination suit with me...long story.
I'd like to be in ecuador sometime within the next 6 months so maybe we can discuss this issue more at that time.I'm very jealous that you are there now screwing $7 plump culo.Que aproveche lo que usted tiene.
The reason we are able to take advantage of inexpensive mongering is the disequilibrium between between the US/Europe economy and personal incomes vs. the countries we visit. If you are established in a rich country it only makes sense to keep your home base there and travel abroad. If you are a smart fellow you can arrange your finances so that your trips and expenses are tax-deductible.
The Northeast US is convenient for Europe, Southeast for the Caribbean and Latin America, and the West Coast for Asia. Europe seems to be a good destination itself.
As far as health considerations, I'm not sure if US health care is any better than anywhere else, in general. There are stories in the news all the time how the US spends more money on healthcare than any other country but doesn't rank near the top of the healthiest populations.
The theoretical goal (fantasy) is to fuck my way around the planet - one per country. That requires being on the move for extended periods of time, and frequently. I own stuff, and need a place to keep it. Say it costs $12000 / year to maintain a residence in the US (a very low estimate in the area where I currently live). For the sake of discussion, say you can stay in hotels for $50/night while travelling. I have no idea what the world average would be, but I like hot water, plumbing, quiet, and a lock on the door. I think this is also a low estimate. That's easily $15000/year. $27000 total and I haven't even been kissed yet. It's effectively keeping 2 households, one of which you hardly ever use. Plenty of other expenses while travelling. Getting that $12000 figure down as far as possible is important.
The other model is to live out of a suitcase permanently. My guess would be that requires buying quite a bit of stuff at each major stop, and then jettisoning on departure. It's not clear this is any cheaper. I'd probably want to start with option 1 and evolve to this mode.
So the question remains, if you can set up shop anywhere in the world, what's the best choice?
I have been reading about Aussie Greg's Medellin Mansion in Colombia, where they have established a party house for mongers, with pool parties, guided trips to local clubs and restaurants, as well as an introduction service for local ladies.
I think this sounds like a fantastic way to get a running start with a city and it's women.
Are there other cities that have places like the Medellin Mansion? I'm mostly interested in Central/South America or Eastern Europe, but I'd like to hear about any that exist.
Thanks
I have been reading the forums and I've found a couple more hotels that cater to the monger crowd.
Blackbeards in Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic
Livingstone’s Lodge in Bangkok
Hardbarg,
Consider Thailand, either Bangkok or Pattaya.
1. Very low cost of living (rent, food, drinks, taxis, girls, etc.), esp. Pattaya
2. Very safe day and night
3. First world convenience (ATMs, banks, western restaurants, bars, huge expat communities, Skytrain, state of the art shopping malls, taxis with a/c, etc.)
4. Well developed and low cost mongering scene (one of the most popular in the world) which caters to almost any niche
5. Excellent base for low cost travel - cheap and frequent non-stop flights to mongering destinations such as China (Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Xiamen, Guangzhou), Africa (Addis Ababa, Nairobi w/connections to west Africa, Johanessburg), Russia (Moskow, St. Petersberg), Eastern Europe, Indonesia, the Philippines, Cambodia, Burma, etc. Low cost non-stop flights are also available to the USA or Australia for connections to Central and South American countries.
6. Great non-pro possibilities if you learn the culture, language, etc.
Elberto,
There are several similar places in Cali (I think they call themselves marriage agencies), one or two in Cartegena, and don't forget Jackson's mansion in Argentina. You should be able to find information on these in the relevenant sections of the forum.
[QUOTE=Taiwan Laowai]Elberto,
There are several similar places in Cali (I think they call themselves marriage agencies), [/QUOTE]
TL,
I have stayed at couple of those places in Cali that call themselves "marriage agencies". My experience was that they call themselves marriage agencies because they **ARE** marriage agencies! The first one I stayed at was called the Crystal Palace in an upscale part of Cali. The owner has since sold the agency and it moved to somewhere else. Another one was in the same neighborhood and run by the Latin-Internet agency. It moved last year to a cheaper place.
These places were legitimate and the ladies I met were sincerely looking for serious relationships with foreign men. I heard stories of gold-diggers. I met one in a Cartagena agency. You can tell them from a mile away. But even the gold-diggers do not advertise that they will trade sex for money. Marriage agencies are not brothels. In fact, Crystal Palace, and others, had a rule that a man could NOT bring a lady to his room.
For P4P action, go to Blackbeard's and other similar places that are EXCLUSIVELY for mongerng.
Fellow mongers,
Its time for the summer mongering vacation! Number one on my list, of course, is Brazil. But thought I'll drop a line on the forum if people might have other recommendations.
I read a little about the FKK's and they sound a lot like the therma's in Rio, which is my most favorite place of action in Rio. So that sounds like a good option. Are there any other mongering venues in Germany - i.e. other than fkk's? A lot of the fun in going to Rio - particularly Copacabana - is that sex is in the air. A lot of the girls you see, you know you can have for money. If going to Germany for mongering, whats the city / part of the country is best to visit?
How about other destinations? I have been to Thailand and will go back if I'm in that part of the world again, but not from US northeast. Any other destinations in Europe worth traveling to from the US exclusively for mongering?
Apologies if these questions have been already answered. Thanks a lot in advance and promise to post my experiences.
Simply put: Colombia is the best place for mongering in the region. The women are prettier than Brazillian women on average and its cheaper. There is also more variety..the number of euro looking chicks are less than Argentina but more so than Brazil. Don't know what kind of meat you like.
In Europe, the best place for Mongering is Moscow, you can fuck a centerfold quality girl for 300-450 all nite from NF in Moscow. There are also lineups and apts/salons. Plus Russia has a plethora of other things to offer during the daytime. If you are averse to Russia then hit Prague...it's more organized but not quite as fun as Moscow.
HTH
I'm considering Colombia. Cartagena looks like a great place to hang out and screw. How is the quality of the experience compared to Brazil? Do most of the chica's get into it - i.e. do you get a real gfe? I have been to Rio a few times and was really blown away. I am into full figured white women.
Another concern I have with Colombia is safety? Anything to be worried about?
I am doing my homework going thru the forum, but would appreciate a quick work from you friendly, knowledgeable folks.
Promise to share any new info.
Thanks again - Jay
cartegena has less euro looking chicks than bogota or cali. yes, you can get GFEs in colombia. colombia, at least the zona rosa (or roja) is safe in bogota and cart is completely safe. i've only been to colombia twice and brazil once so my experience is limited.
HTH
[QUOTE=jayf1970]Fellow mongers,
Its time for the summer mongering vacation! Number one on my list, of course, is Brazil. But thought I'll drop a line on the forum if people might have other recommendations.
I read a little about the FKK's and they sound a lot like the therma's in Rio, which is my most favorite place of action in Rio. So that sounds like a good option. Are there any other mongering venues in Germany - i.e. other than fkk's? A lot of the fun in going to Rio - particularly Copacabana - is that sex is in the air. A lot of the girls you see, you know you can have for money. If going to Germany for mongering, whats the city / part of the country is best to visit?
How about other destinations? I have been to Thailand and will go back if I'm in that part of the world again, but not from US northeast. Any other destinations in Europe worth traveling to from the US exclusively for mongering?
Apologies if these questions have been already answered. Thanks a lot in advance and promise to post my experiences.[/QUOTE]For start up my experience is based on Europe and Far East.
First FKKs: that is the best option for mongering you can come across especially if you are into EE girls.
You can read a lot about the FKKs but there are a few advantages that makes them special.
1. There is no way you can get ripped off. Everything is standard cost.
2. Facilities are great, very clean and many thing to do in between sessions
3. A lot of variety, in average at the big FKKs you will get at least 30-40 girls working at a night. If you cant find what you want among 30 I don't have much to say about it
4. You do not have to wait for certain time during night for action to start, they mostly open before noon and stay open till 4-5am.
I traveled pretty much all the europe and nothing in europe can beat this.
About Thailand: if you havent been to pattaya I find it more enjoyable than the capital
I'm talking about the healthy girls with Badookadunks. What are the best countries for that?
recommend. I am feeling the asian persuasion. There are tons of them in San Diego. I have been wanting to spray them down for a long time. Where can I go get a taste of just about everything.
I read Shanghai has a relaxed 60day visa where many asians go to make quick money. That would take care of Phillipino, Indo, Viet, Cambodian and Chinese. I seem to remember reading that Columbian and Russian can be had there too. Again its all about 60days easy no-hassel visa's and again the girls flock there to get busy. ;)
My buddy on the other hand wants to Prague then to Istanbul and to Russia(St Petersburg). Pics are really making my sign up for these locations. Prague I have been to and it did indeed look promising. Very hot young ladies working the strip clus or whatever you want to call it. Planning on leaving within 60 days.
Whats your take? China weather in late July OK? I can research that just starting to ramble. I know the Phillipines is too hot etc. Thats why I was hoping Shanghai was a one stop shop.
2 1/2 weeks might be too long for mongering in one place grrrrrrrrrrr. I have read tons its overwhelming.
Order of importance
- hot chicks from all over the world if possible
- bbbj
- english speaking would be cool (asians especially pinoy's are good english)
- weather
- sight seeing
- cost isn't so much a factor. I promise not to jack the locals over paying.
- not sure it matters but I am 35 fit good looking and only speak english.
I could do some FKK clubs. From reading it looks as if they have a little of everything from all different countries.
If in town I could do TJ with you! No BBBJ period if you can believe it. ;( Tons to bone but they want you to work. Thats a whole different story on a different board.
Also been to Costa Rica but that was all south American without any asian action.
Please help with advice we are leaning towards the Prague, Istanbul (could get ugly here), St Petersburg (probably get ripped or pay tall money and get lousy service)
Tia,
bl
Hi guys,
I'm reasonaby new to the hobby and this forum has been brilliant for helping me avoid making silly mistakes and learning the hard way.
I now have a week (this week) free and want to go somewhere in Europe, and recommendations would be very welcome.
I'm interested in countries where I stand a reasonable chance of picking up local chicks in bars, and if that doesn't work out, the p4p fallback options should be good. I'm early 30s and reasonably fit/not bad looking so don't have too much trouble picking up women, but sometimes its just too much hard work if you know what I mean ;-)
I'm also of Indian origin, I found that can have a reasonable level of influence on my chances of success in both pickup and p4p situations in my experience, so I was thinking of going somewhere where I'd stand out and be in a minority. Can be tricky sometimes, for example in Thailand or in South America my european friends get a lot of attention just for being european, while I (despite often being fitter and better-looking) had to work a lot harder as I looked more like a local. (This isn't a criticism by the way, just an observation on how the world works - the more different you are the more interesting you are to the local ladies!). So I was thinking of sweden (bad for p4p i know) or finland or iceland or maybe poland...woud love to hear people's views. Turkey sounded interesting too but Istanbul may be a bit too hot this time of year!
I'm not a total one-track-minded monger and quite enjoy taking in some culture and good food, and partaking of a decent nightlife...so not really interested in going to some godforsaken corner of the world just because p4p happens to be good value for money!
Hello,
I got an offer to fly to the following destinations:
Bangkok
Singapore
Tokyo
Bombay
Johannesburg
Nairobi
Sao Paulo
I was wondering whether I could get an advice as to what destination to choose. My criteria are as follows: since I live on a fix income I am looking for a reasonably cheap place, since I am disabled I am looking for a place which might be friendly towards people with disabilities, for a place with relatively low crime and cheap accommodation. I am looking for a place with low std rate and cheap service providers, I am willing to branch to other cities or countries from the destinations mentioned above so I am looking for a place which can be interested in a traveler as well.
Thank you very much for your help.
Poland is one of the best places in the world for the hobby, Prague is a bit overpriced for the EE region, you can get just as good quality in other places in the East. I would say a lot of Eastern Europe is pretty good.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Poland is one of the best places in the world for the hobby, Prague is a bit overpriced for the EE region, you can get just as good quality in other places in the East. I would say a lot of Eastern Europe is pretty good.[/QUOTE]I want to shift from asia, now that I am getting closer to marriage age. I can get a solid job in Western Germany. Is this too far from Poland. How bad is Poland? You always here that they're running prisoners from guantanomo or have super-conservative governments? How are the women in relation to other EE countries? Snob-factor, looks etc.?
[QUOTE=Zde]Hello,
I got an offer to fly to the following destinations:
Bangkok
Singapore
Tokyo
Bombay
Johannesburg
Nairobi
Sao Paulo
My criteria are as follows: I am looking for a place with low std rate and cheap service providers, I am willing to branch to other cities or countries from the destinations mentioned[/QUOTE]Johannesburg is veru very very dangerous.
Sao Paolo could be dangerous, but definitely can be expensive too.
Tokyo: propably out of most people's price range.
Singapore is cheap, safe , clean and Bangkok follows (not that high standards as Singapore).
Keep in mind that America is already used to people with disabilities. That's not the norm in other countries. Ie difficulties to access buildings enter small restaurant doors etc.
Hope that helps.
Good Luck!
Singapore is one of the better places if you have a disability. A friend who lived there told me that the providers will knock on your door if you want sex. It has the best standard of living in Asia, you won't see a wide gap between the haves and have nots that you will see elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Elberto]I have been reading about Aussie Greg's Medellin Mansion in Colombia, where they have established a party house for mongers, with pool parties, guided trips to local clubs and restaurants, as well as an introduction service for local ladies.
I think this sounds like a fantastic way to get a running start with a city and it's women.
Are there other cities that have places like the Medellin Mansion? I'm mostly interested in Central/South America or Eastern Europe, but I'd like to hear about any that exist.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
There are many of these places available around the world and in fact, most countries and cities have them. The point is that the price is refected based on popularity and cost of living in that country and area. This is where the issue lays for many of us in the affordability aspect.
Hell you have these places readily available even in the States. There are MANY cruises, parties, clubs, hotels etc exclusively catering for mongers and mongering, the only difference between them is price and quality. If you are a multi-millionaire or better and don’t mind spending big, then this places are great fun.
I suggest that you specify the country you wish to visit as well as your fetishes (if any) and you budget and then ask around and you will find so many places willing to accommodate you, (for a price of corse).
If you are looking at easy mongering where everything is supplied and you don't even need to leave the premises (like at Huge Heffiner’s the Playboy Mansion) then these are the places for you.
Personally I have stayed at the Medellin Mansion that you mentioned and had a wonderful time but I also like to test my skills and take a few calculated risks, which raises the excitement level of the trips for me. Hell if all this travelling is only about finding pussy, then I would stay home as I can and do get plenty here in my own city for free. For me it's all about the adventure as well as the pussy. New places, faces, people and races. One of my dreams is to have sex with at least one of every race on earth before I die of old age. I am about halfway there (I mean the sex part not the dieing of old age part lol) and still going strong lol.
Best of luck and Merry Christmas.
Blastoff
[QUOTE=Blastoff]New places, faces, people and races. One of my dreams is to have sex with at least one of every race on earth before I die of old age. I am about halfway there (I mean the sex part not the dieing of old age part lol) and still going strong lol.[/QUOTE]Actually, Blastoff, that isn't very hard to do. According to the Census Bureau, there are only six races, plus "some other:"
"White alone, Black or African American alone, American Indian and Alaska Native alone, Asian alone, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, Some other race alone and 57 possible combinations of the above six categories."
Note that "Latin" or "Hispanic" is not mentioned. It is considered to be an ethnic group, as Latins can belong to any race.
I guess now that I am divorced I need to go back to Hawaii without a wife in tow so that I can check off the last race on my dance card.
I am assuming that many of the girls I've aready done can easily qualify as "something other."
My personal goal is similar to yours, to be with one from at least 50% of the 193 countries. I know I will never be able to do them all.
At last count, my best guess is that I have made it with women from 29 countries. It is sometimes hard to tell. For example, I am assuming that all of the Koreans were from South Korea, not North Korea. Not that it would really matter...
So, what are some of the other guy's hit totals?
DB
[QUOTE=KnickFan]THICK & BBW girl LOVERS what is the best Country?
I'm talking about the healthy girls with Badookadunks. What are the best countries for that?[/QUOTE]Just stay in the USA, man, and save the airfare. You are in BBW heaven.
Even better for you - they're really easy to score, and don't cost nothin'. Harder than shit to get rid of, though.
If you can't find a BBW here, you should try getting out of the house once in a while.
I suggest you stop by Denny's.
DB
A popular one discussed in the forums is Black Beard's in Puerta Plata, Dominican Republic. It is supposed to have several in-house chicas as well as permitting guys to bring in their own from local clubs. I think it has a website, but I don't know its URL.
[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]
So, what are some of the other guy's hit totals?
DB[/QUOTE]
I'm at girls from 32 different countries... may have forgotten a couple as well. I also am very much into variety... my current fascination is with girls from North Africa, like Moroccans. In my experience loving , passionate girls with no inhibitions... maybe not what one have expected from an Islamic country... but I met all of them out of country, so don't know if that is part of the reason.
My last Moroccan gf liked to put either honey or yoghurt on my rod and then lick it off in a really slurpy porno-esque sloppy blowjob. Heaven.
Missing from my personal collection are some of the world's hottest nationalities I have yet to bang:
Japanese
Abyssinian
Mexican
Swedish
Iranian (but I did get Iraq!)
It's just silly statistics, but only five girls have rated triple nines (looks, body, performance) on my list:
1 Thai
2 Russians
1 Italian
1 Georgian (the country on the Black Sea/Caucasus)
The most exotic location-wise I have banged are probably:
Chechnya
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Iraq
Trinidad and Tobago
What about you?
[QUOTE=George90]A popular one discussed in the forums is Black Beard's in Puerta Plata, Dominican Republic. It is supposed to have several in-house chicas as well as permitting guys to bring in their own from local clubs. I think it has a website, but I don't know its URL.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/index.html[/url]
1. murep001
2. dubai
3. bankok
4. hongkong
5. manila
6. cyprus
7. perth
8. amsterdam
9. doha
10. colombo
11. istanbul
12. madrid
13. brussels
14. malaysia
15. singapore
16. mauritius
17. florida
18. athens
19. tanzania
20. prague
21. switzerland
22. germany
23. salzburg
24. beirut
[quote=doctor_skank]i'm at girls from 32 different countries... may have forgotten a couple as well. i also am very much into variety... my current fascination is with girls from north africa, like moroccans. in my experience loving , passionate girls with no inhibitions... maybe not what one have expected from an islamic country... but i met all of them out of country, so don't know if that is part of the reason.
my last moroccan gf liked to put either honey or yoghurt on my rod and then lick it off in a really slurpy porno-esque sloppy blowjob. heaven.
missing from my personal collection are some of the world's hottest nationalities i have yet to bang:
japanese
abyssinian
mexican
swedish
iranian (but i did get iraq!)
it's just silly statistics, but only five girls have rated triple nines (looks, body, performance) on my list:
1 thai
2 russians
1 italian
1 georgian (the country on the black sea/caucasus)
the most exotic location-wise i have banged are probably:
chechnya
azerbaijan
kazakhstan
uzbekistan
iraq
trinidad and tobago
what about you?[/quote]
Guys,
After opinions on the best places in Europe for street walkers, and just RLDs in general.
I've spent quite a bit of time in Frankfurt and think that has a great RLD, but after something new (and better). I'm not really interested in MPs etc, just general Street action.
Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=OzPunter]Guys,
After opinions on the best places in Europe for street walkers, and just RLDs in general.
I've spent quite a bit of time in Frankfurt and think that has a great RLD, but after something new (and better). I'm not really interested in MPs etc, just general Street action.
Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]In 2005 I went on a Baltic cruise to Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Russia, Estonia, and Germany. Copenhagen, Denmark was a monger's paradise. I am 80% northern european so I fit in with the majority of the population and felt comfortable in all parts of the city. But Copenhagen is very cosmopolitan. Blacks and asians are significant minorities. Anybody of any ethnicity would probably do well there. Don't worry about speaking Danish. Pretty much everyone speaks English. The Istedgade, a street west of the railroad station, was one of the hottest red light districts around in the print pornography era. In this internet porn age it still has streetwalkers, massage, stripclubs, and sexshops to enjoy. I sampled Hungarian, Thai, and Danish women in the few days I was there. I was propositioned by a hot black streetwalker as well, but was too far from my hotel.
Forget Sweden. They value freedom except for free trade. No trading money for sex. I had a great tantric escort in Finland but paid well for it. In Saint Petersburg I got the best massage with handjob ever from a smoking hot nude blonde. It was very reasonable too. My taxi driver in Talinn, Estonia took me to a sauna with women where I got the works from a big titted russian woman. The FKK in Berlin didn't want to let me in. He pointed me to a bar a stone's throw away where I fucked two Bulgarians who were like energizer bunnies. Nobody in Saint Petersburg spoke English and few in the other countries, except Denmark.
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Hi guys,
Whats your point of view? What companies have the most hot looking air hostesses?
My hit list is:
1. Air Lanka
2. Emirates
3. Air France
Please share your ideas.
The topic of my post is closely related to the topic of this thread, namely the "Culture" of the country in regards to prostitution. Something that got me thinking was the following; is there such a thing as a "culture of prostitution" that makes it more likely for girls of a certain country to engage in this kind of activity. And I don't mean this in any politically incorrect kinda way. For example, there is, I've been told, a difference between Serbia and Romania because in the latter communism had much more destroyed Christian values than in the former. In other words, purely for historical, enviromental, reasons.
PS Not sure if this is the right place to put it, though.
i live in orlando, florida. i see you rank fl as 17. on what basis are you ranking? if you are talking about "the best women for str" as the title of the forum then i totally disagree. floridian women (majority american) are stuck up.
read this
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558937#post558937[/url]
[quote=tercar 66]1. murep001
2. dubai
3. bankok
4. hongkong
5. manila
6. cyprus
7. perth
8. amsterdam
9. doha
10. colombo
11. istanbul
12. madrid
13. brussels
14. malaysia
15. singapore
16. mauritius
17. florida
18. athens
19. tanzania
20. prague
21. switzerland
22. germany
23. salzburg
24. beirut[/quote]
Good morning gentlemen, Ezinho here, reporting form Quito, Ecuador. I wanted to address a topic that doesn't have it's own thread on this forum, but maybe it should. The topic I would like to discuss is "What Country has the best women at the *lowest prices* for STR?"
Now, I have read over many different country threads on this site, so I have a pretty good idea of what countries fit this requirement. I guess what I would like is to actually hear from other members, what their opinion is on what country has the best women at the lowest prices for STR. I know, for example...
*There are the 1 reais/min, 10 min minimum (about $5 USD for 10 min) places in Rio de Janeiro, been there, done that.
*That you can get women for under $3 USD at La Liñea in Guatemala City, but the selection is suppose to be horrible.
*That you can go to certain bars in Phnom Penh and get a short BJ for $1 USD.
I can go on and on, but all this info is available on the forum, just giving some examples.
So, to give you an idea, I'm looking for places like Ecuador, places where you can screw a hot girl for 10-15 minutes in a little room for $7 USD or less. I'm not talking about TLN, I'm not talking about GFE, all I'm looking for is a 15 minute quicky for $7 USD or less. Also, please keep in mind that it has to be safe, for example, you can't suggest a woman who works at a bus stop in Pyongyang, North Korea for 50 cents, since one may end up with a bullet to the head!
So lets' hear it, ISGers!
Granted I haven't flown the ones listed below but my top few would be:
1. Singapore Airlines
2. Thai Airways
Yes, I have a slight bias towards Asian women!
AF
[QUOTE=Zaridtron]Hi guys,
Whats your point of view? What companies have the most hot looking air hostesses?
My hit list is:
1. Air Lanka
2. Emirates
3. Air France
Please share your ideas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Paulothai]Hi Ezinho,
The girl in pic "$7usdb".......is she from Quito or Rio ?
Did you post her before somewhere in the ISG?[/QUOTE]
If she was from Rio she would have bikini tan lines as that is the fashion there and ALL Rio girls have them.
Cheers.
As my header implies these are the countries that I have managed to monger in no consecutive order. By Florida, I ment Miami and I had a great time. As an American, what opinion you have about them is your point of view. I never had problems with females in Miami as well as in Orlando.
My next trip is due this month and I am still not decided on the destination Ethopia, South africa, Jakarta or Morocco.
Maybe someone can enlighten me.
[QUOTE=Dr X Man]I live in Orlando, Florida. I see you rank FL as 17. On what basis are you ranking? If you are talking about "the best women for STR" as the title of the forum then I totally disagree. Floridian women (majority American) are stuck up.
Read this
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=558937#post558937[/url][/QUOTE]
We all know, unfortunately where mongering is strictly controlled or even outlawed.
By contrast, I am curious , which country or countries have the least amount of control over the sexual behavior of its people. Irregardless of looks or culture or short time versus long time consideration, which place on this mud ball has the least restricted sexual environment? Which one is the most libertine?
[QUOTE=Adelante Siempre]We all know, unfortunately where mongering is strictly controlled or even outlawed.
By contrast, I am curious , which country or countries have the least amount of control over the sexual behavior of its people. Irregardless of looks or culture or short time versus long time consideration, which place on this mud ball has the least restricted sexual environment? Which one is the most libertine?[/QUOTE]
I don't know which is the best but the US is certainly the worst! Last year there was a case of a teenaged boy being sentenced to 10 years in jail for receiving consensual oral sex form another teenaged girl. I read this morning that the attempts by his lawyers to have him released from jail were denied by the courts and the state legislature. The state in question is Georgia.
The lawyer said that almost every state in the country has laws covering seual behavior that if enforced rigourously would put almost EVERY teenage boy in jail. She (YES! SHE!) went on to state that as it was Friday, tonight there would be lots of illegal sexual activity going on among teenagers.
The better news is that as a result of this case, Georgia amended the law to make sex between consenting teenagers a misdemeaner rather than a felony. Still, the US is the only advanced developed country in the world where a 17 y.o. boy can go to a party, get a blow job froma 15 y.o. girl, and then get convicted of the sexual abuse of a child, be sentenced to 10 years in prison, and be put on the sex offender list.
You would think, because we are at war, that we would have more important priorities.
[QUOTE=George90]I don't know which is the best but the US is certainly the worst!
You would think, because we are at war, that we would have more important priorities.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you would have to go back pretty far in history to find an empire that had wasted its money so foolishly.
World War I was about overseas colonies and protecting empires. The result was that empires broke up as countries went broke.
World War II was about payback. You can only slaughter so many people before the rest start slaughtering you.
But the shit that's going on now is beyond belief.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Good morning gentlemen, Ezinho here, reporting form Quito, Ecuador. I wanted to address a topic that doesn't have it's own thread on this forum, but maybe it should. The topic I would like to discuss is "What Country has the best women at the *lowest prices* for STR?"
Now, I have read over many different country threads on this site, so I have a pretty good idea of what countries fit this requirement. I guess what I would like is to actually hear from other members, what their opinion is on what country has the best women at the lowest prices for STR. I know, for example...
*There are the 1 reais/min, 10 min minimum (about $5 USD for 10 min) places in Rio de Janeiro, been there, done that.
*That you can get women for under $3 USD at La Liñea in Guatemala City, but the selection is suppose to be horrible.
*That you can go to certain bars in Phnom Penh and get a short BJ for $1 USD.
I can go on and on, but all this info is available on the forum, just giving some examples.
So, to give you an idea, I'm looking for places like Ecuador, places where you can screw a hot girl for 10-15 minutes in a little room for $7 USD or less. I'm not talking about TLN, I'm not talking about GFE, all I'm looking for is a 15 minute quicky for $7 USD or less. Also, please keep in mind that it has to be safe, for example, you can't suggest a woman who works at a bus stop in Pyongyang, North Korea for 50 cents, since one may end up with a bullet to the head!
So lets' hear it, ISGers![/QUOTE]There are the catacombs in CP, China. 30RMB ($5.50 USD)
There are cheap BJ/fs places in Saigon $20usd
I am sure you can find lotsa places that are al' cheapo. But like most things, everything comes at a price.
If you want you don't have time Thailand is the best place for sex. If you have time and you want sex for free China is best.
Sun rise
hi all,
any recommendations on a place that combines good lookin mongering and surfing in July? Panama & Peru were some places I looked at but was wondering if anyone had suggestions?
Dicks out
I live in Las Vegas, NV. While I certainly plan on doing at least one foreign trip this year, I think the good ol' USA is getting a bad rap on this topic. I have attached some pics of women in Vegas that you can spend time with for $150 USD or less, most are for at least an hour and include BBBJ. From the places I am considering traveling, it seems that around $50 USD is standard, which is of course a great deal. However, last time I checked, airfare is quite expensive, some hotels are not girl friendly, etc. I know I have an advantage since I live here, but there are also tons of opportunities for FREE hook ups from all sorts of horny women who come to Las Vegas to get away from it all.
The advantage the foreign countries have that Vegas does not is the ability to go into a bar, and have sexy young women begging you to take them back to your hotel. However, if you walk around certain areas of "The Strip" at night, you can experience that same feeling to a lesser degree.
Anyway, here are some pics, and keep this great topic going!
[QUOTE=Jake Monger]I live in Las Vegas, NV. While I certainly plan on doing at least one foreign trip this year, I think the good ol' USA is getting a bad rap on this topic. I have attached some pics of women in Vegas that you can spend time with for $150 USD or less, most are for at least an hour and include BBBJ. From the places I am considering traveling, it seems that around $50 USD is standard, which is of course a great deal. However, last time I checked, airfare is quite expensive, some hotels are not girl friendly, etc. I know I have an advantage since I live here, but there are also tons of opportunities for FREE hook ups from all sorts of horny women who come to Las Vegas to get away from it all.
The advantage the foreign countries have that Vegas does not is the ability to go into a bar, and have sexy young women begging you to take them back to your hotel. However, if you walk around certain areas of "The Strip" at night, you can experience that same feeling to a lesser degree.
Anyway, here are some pics, and keep this great topic going![/QUOTE]
That depends I spent 3 days in Vegas getting my car worked on (MORE POWER!) and while it was up in the air, I spent time on the strip. It was OK... Some of my friends just "had" to hit JET inside the Mirage, I passed. They hooked up, but overall it was a "dry" run. I went to Pahrump and checked out Shari's, mostly because I have never been to such a place. To say I got "sticker shock" is an understatement.
I did start looking around for cheaper options, but I kinda gave up when I really couldn't make a choice and it was getting very late.
Yeah your chances at some woman visiting the city really trying to leave whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas; does increase your chances ONLY SLIGHTLY. You still have to have "Game", you still have to basically make sure she's had a few to make it easier. I just can't bring myself to do that, I don't drink for one.
For those of you with lower morals than mine, you can liquor a girl up in Vegas and more than likely bag her if her friends aren't "cock blocking" or "throwing salt" in your game. Having a Wingman makes this MUCH easier...
my pet-peeve on vegas. "what happens in vegas, stays in vegas". it's so funny to me, because it seems to me that there are probably more cameras on you in vegas than any other city in the world. and it's not like you magically step out of the american legal system when you arrive in las vegas. more people watching every move you make. they control the air you breath, adding o2 to keep you awake. and so on. it's the most "1984" of american cities. "what happens in vegas is extremely well-recorded, and may be used against you in a court of law".
still, jake monger i appreciate the pics and your experience in vegas. for most people the cost of getting to and staying in vegas is not going to be much different from traveling to some other countries. obviously, if you live there, you don't catch these costs.
but even with my flimsy moral character i've got to say i'm with the thrust of what dj is saying here. i've only been through vegas a couple of times, but from a p4p point-of-view, i'm not even sure it's a good deal by american standards for the str. obviously, you've had some good experiences, but you know the territory and have done the work. my experience was that the prices in vegas were higher than new york. an sw quoted $300 st - this was in 2001. that's the highest price we've ever recorded in donutland from an sw.
anyway, i hope i'm not coming off too negative - but in my experience, guys are better off going to montreal or the dominican republic if they want a quick flight for good strs.
[QUOTE=Dickfer]hi all,
any recommendations on a place that combines good lookin mongering and surfing in July? Panama & Peru were some places I looked at but was wondering if anyone had suggestions?
Dicks out[/QUOTE]
How about Bali???
This discussion about Las Vegas is interesting. I have only been there once in my life, and was not at all impressed. Having said that, I don't gamble, so perhaps I'm biased in my opinion (the only kind of slots I like are between a woman's legs).
The way I see it, Vegas is a good example of big corporations hyping something up to the point that everyone wants to go there, but they have no reason why; because they saw some commercial on TV that told them to go. In addition, the guys I know that love to monger in Vegas are some of the biggest dumbasses I've ever met. These are guys that have no problem spending hundreds of dollars at strip clubs for nothing more than tame lap dances. I imagine that if I were a marketing executive for the City of Las Vegas tourism board, the most appropriate ad slogan would be "Vegas: the city for people with more money than brains".
Jake Monger, there's no doubt about it, the women you posted are hot. I'm assuming you got them off of Craigslist, maybe? Since you live there, I can understand you taking advantage of that, but you can find girls that look like that on Craigslist in ANY major city in the U.S., with the ST price running around the same price you mentioned. Sometimes some of these domestic models even run $100 for 15 min specials where I currently live. So I'm not sure why anyone would travel to Las Vegas for those women when they can just stay in their own city and get pretty much the same thing.
IMHO, if you must look for women in the U.S., I personally would recommend San Diego, CA. The city has a young, attractive population, good nightlife with many pick-up bars (Gaslamp district, for example) and if all else fails, you can make the 15 minute trip accross the border to TJ and release your tension into a $20 alley-girl. And to top it off, the weather is excellent; you don't have that damn 110 degree heat that you have in Vegas!
Hey Jelly and DJ,
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I guess I do have an advantage since I live here now, and have the time to do as much research as needed to find a good provider at a fair cost. I do remember when I was here as a tourist a few times, that sticker shock was a huge issue. However, that was before I knew about the American version of this board, which helped a lot. As for having a wingman, yes, that always helps in my opinion, and it doesn't matter if you are going after freebies or P4P. So I agree with both of you.
I have tried to find some professional fun in Cancun Mexico and the Bahamas, and did not have as much success as I would have liked. Of course, that was also before I discovered this forum, and I realize those are not the "hotspots" you should target when wanting to have some surefire fun overseas. That being said, I am STILL going to pay the airfare and hotel and do a foreign mongering trip this year to a "friendlier" area, and who knows, I may come back with a completely different feeling about Vegas! lol.
Take care out there.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]... My experience was that the prices in Vegas were higher than New York. An SW quoted $300 ST - this was in 2001. That's the highest price we've ever recorded in donutland from an SW...[/QUOTE]In 2004 on the strip in Las Vegas about 5 AM a streetwalker asked me for $500 short time. She was sexy but far below showgirl quality. I told her I was looking for something around $200 and she just laughed.
In New York the most I've paid is $300 an hour FS, including TS and massage.
Double Nickle
Hi to all Las Vegas lovers.
yes las Vegas is very nice place at to have fun...I am visiting Las Vegas for last 6 years the only change which I noticed this year was that Hotels Have Non Smoking Areas specially food areas...rest you can smoke all over the place.
The scene in LV is great you can walk to your room with any partner male or female and no one will bother you.
Never try escort agency or printed material on the road side they all are fraud.
If you wan to have the great strip dance experience go to CRAZY HORSE. More than 50 Girls you can find at a time all top less. $20 Entry and you can touch and sit with Girl ..no extra money for girls no rip offs.
If you are really looking to lay with some one try hotel bars - All the bars in Las Vegas are open 24 hours they never close. Some times th are more females in BARS than MEN. All varsities you can find th. Never pay more than 150-250 US$ to a girl ..... Start from 150 and close the deal at 250 US...
I do not like to mention the name of the Hotels as all of them are good but I mention few.
Las Vegas Hilton - 3000 paradise road.
Monte Carlo
etc ...as I said all the hotels are GFE.
Be Careful - some times the girls pic up things from your hotel....never let this happen.
Bye Spark
This was posted in the Quito thread but I think it belongs here.
The original link is: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=610256&postcount=964[/url]
[b]Top Geographical Areas by Posts:
USA & Canada: 356,975
Asia: 186,364
South America (includes AP): 99,364
Europe: 64,558
Mexico & Central America: 33,359
Caribbean: 18,308
Middle East: 12,976
Africa: 6,966
Oceania: 4,366
Total posts without USA: 431,077
Total posts with USA: 783,236
Top Countries by Posts:
1. USA 352,159
2. Thailand 53,996
3. China 47,267
4. Argentina 42,470
5. Brazil 25,810
6. Malaysia 25,805
7. Mexico 21,997
8. Germany 17,500
9. Columbia 17,135
10. Philippines 16,902
11. United Arab Emirates 10,717
12. Dominican Republic 10,675
13. Indonesia 9,570
14. Russia 7,767
15. Peru 7,390
16. Japan 6,342
17. Ukraine 5,710
18. Costa Rica 5,530
19. India 5,441
20. South Korea 4,867
21. Canada 4,816
22. Czech Republic: 4,634
23. Turkey 3,541
24. Cuba 3,408
25. Singapore 3,392
26. Cambodia: 3,128
27. Sri Lanka 2,739
28. Vietnam 2,712
29. Spain 2,621
30. Lesser Antilles 2,437
31. Panama 2,426
32. UK 2,369
33. Ecuador 2,037[/b]
[quote]Random thoughts: The first time I looked at the USA sex guide was tonight to see how many posts it had -- wtf?! Guys still buy pussy in the USA?! No wonder so many are broke, in debt and bankrupt! I was surprised to see Argentina at #4. You're telling me I just left the fourth hottest pussy destination in the world?! lol. Half -- or more -- are chicas from Paraguay. What the fuck is Malaysia doing at #6?! What the hell is in the United Arab Emirates?! Piper1 must singlehandedly sustain the UAE himself, accounting for 78% of the country's GDP. Comparing the juggernauts of population China at #3 is of interest while India sucks ass at #19. What are German girls doing to hit #8?! So much for French girls and French romance. Ultimately Ecuador ranks #33 worldwide. Hmmm, Tungurahua Inc. has a lot of marketing work to do to get to #1. I like a good challenge. Bring it on mofos![/quote]
-There are LOTS of what amount to ISO posts in the USA section, and not as much real activity. The difference is SHOCKING if you dig a little.
-The owner of the forum lives in Buenos Aires, that could have something to do with it. It IS apparently a real good destination though.
-The UAE is a well-known good place for paid sex as well. I'm surprised you didn't know that
-The German section is busy because of the FKK clubs which is according to some the best mongering experience in the world. Prostitution is legal in Germany and the FKKs have women from all over the Earth at a very reasonable price.
-France re-crimninalized prostitution in 1974 and shut down all the famous brothels. Apparently it hasn't been the same since.
Hi guys,
I live in UK and in charge of organizing a 40th birth day for a single friend of mine. We are planning to travel to our destination on a Friday evening and return back on Sunday, so it needs to be close by, ie. Europe.
Planning to utilize escort agencies as we don't have much time.
What country do you recommend, and any other ideas on what to organize, venues, girls etc.
Thanks in advance.
All I can think of right now is Spain why here's the deal.
Location: Close to UK
Time: Less time to travel, more pussy
Cost: Reasonable prices
Accomodation: Lots of it try to go to Madrid, Barcelona etc.
Variety: Romanians, Russians, Colombians, Brazilians some asian and africans.
Just a recommendation. If you want real variety and time consuming places go to Amsterdam or Germany for their FKK clubs.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Dave Sluds]Hi guys,
I live in UK and in charge of organizing a 40th birth day for a single friend of mine. We are planning to travel to our destination on a Friday evening and return back on Sunday, so it needs to be close by, ie. Europe.
Planning to utilize escort agencies as we don't have much time.
What country do you recommend, and any other ideas on what to organize, venues, girls etc.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Vegas sucks for mongering. Once you have been to Thailand or Brazil, etc Vegas looks like your family dining place. Yeah the gambling, shows etc are all great but a real desert when it comes to freestyle mongering. Save your gambling money and fly to Brazil.
[QUOTE=Jake Monger]I live in Las Vegas, NV. While I certainly plan on doing at least one foreign trip this year, I think the good ol' USA is getting a bad rap on this topic. I have attached some pics of women in Vegas that you can spend time with for $150 USD or less, most are for at least an hour and include BBBJ. From the places I am considering traveling, it seems that around $50 USD is standard, which is of course a great deal. However, last time I checked, airfare is quite expensive, some hotels are not girl friendly, etc. I know I have an advantage since I live here, but there are also tons of opportunities for FREE hook ups from all sorts of horny women who come to Las Vegas to get away from it all.
The advantage the foreign countries have that Vegas does not is the ability to go into a bar, and have sexy young women begging you to take them back to your hotel. However, if you walk around certain areas of "The Strip" at night, you can experience that same feeling to a lesser degree.
Anyway, here are some pics, and keep this great topic going![/QUOTE]
Having just spent a week in Vegas (and I spend about three weeks there a year), I can difinitively say that it is a desert in terms of mongering. The chicks are remarkably expensive (more expensive than the hometown), have really hardcore attitudes in general, and the few times that I have done p4p there, have received shitty service and an attempted rip-off. I did get one freebie this trip, but in general, one has to work their game very hard, and the ultimate costs are about the same as the local p4p.
I agree with Ezhino below about his comments regarding the superficial "advertised" freedom in Vegas. If you want to do something that will not get recorded or noticed by others, go somewhere else where the food, hotels, entertainment, and chicas are, cheaper, more satisfying, and more off the radar.
Germany is full of FKK brothels, probably the best Western European country for mongering. I would say Spain might be good for mongering as well, especially in the coastal areas. The US is a total waste of time for hobbying. The only decent action in North America is found in Montreal and Vancouver.
A lot of guys in America are morons, they would easily shell out hundreds of dollars on a lap dance for an average looking girl. Compare this with European men who expect a lot more and I know a few who got top service from genuine 9's and 10's only to walk out without paying a dime.
Craigslist is full of scammers and liars, and most of the time the pictures are fake. I never monger in the USA, and have not done so for nearly a decade. Once you try the service overseas you will never deal with American prostitutes again.
i'm planning to make a trip alone in europe (and leave my girlfriend at home :P). Which is the best country for STR ? Which is the best country and city for flirting ? I'm 25 years old.
I've heard about ibiza, the girls are crazy there.
What is your opinion?
Thanks
Portugal029,
I guess it is too late, but Ibiza is not anymore the place.
Spain is not the best really.
You should fly EAST.
Lac Latan in hungary.
Find things close to Crimea in Ukrainia too.
It sounds that the new places to go.
Ibiza is too crowded. No action there. Lots of gays and hungry guys.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Germany is full of FKK brothels, probably the best Western European country for mongering. I would say Spain might be good for mongering as well, especially in the coastal areas. The US is a total waste of time for hobbying. The only decent action in North America is found in Montreal and Vancouver.
A lot of guys in America are morons, they would easily shell out hundreds of dollars on a lap dance for an average looking girl. Compare this with European men who expect a lot more and I know a few who got top service from genuine 9's and 10's only to walk out without paying a dime.
Craigslist is full of scammers and liars, and most of the time the pictures are fake. I never monger in the USA, and have not done so for nearly a decade. Once you try the service overseas you will never deal with American prostitutes again.[/QUOTE]
Co-sign -
After going myself and I should slap myself for even considering Nevada!
The only cheap mongering in the US is your local Eros web site but that is not affordable by any standard and many times your service will be rushed and subpar.
Your better off finding a fat chick much easier and more than likely cheaper.
You can find cheap pussy in Nevada but its past its due date and most freebie MILF's are much better looking.
If your going to monger, so it overseas it makes much more sense...
Dear Mongers
I will have two or three weeks spare in December and January and have the urge to travel afar and experience some of the local delights. I am a veteran of Asia, especially Thailand and parts of Europe (thanks Joy for your personal guidance in Poland).
I have RTFF many times and this is the first time I have actually asked for any help myself.
My question to fellow mongers IS where would you go apart from Thailand to experience the quality, GFE and costs that would be comparable to Thailand or even beat Thailand?
I would appreciate some guidance as I would like to dip my toe in other waters, but feel I have been spoilt a little bit by my experiences in Thailand and wonder whther any other place in the world could at least equal Thailand or even surpass it?
I am waiting to book my ticket from the UK so any guidance would be greatly appreciated
Maybe if you would tell us something about your taste in women and your mongering style, we could help you out.
One place to avoid is Argentina, especially Buenos Aires. It is very unsafe crime-wise and has a high rate of AIDS, plus the cops are total assholes and shake you down all the time. I was there recently and the women are totally stuck up and have no idea how to suck cock.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Maybe if you would tell us something about your taste in women and your mongering style, we could help you out.
One place to avoid is Argentina, especially Buenos Aires. It is very unsafe crime-wise and has a high rate of AIDS, plus the cops are total assholes and shake you down all the time. I was there recently and the women are totally stuck up and have no idea how to suck cock.[/QUOTE]
Dickhead
Thanks for the reply. I like SW's, freelancers, semi pros and Bar girls and I tend to avoid the go go bars, escort agencies and the more expensive side of things. I am a frequent visitor to Thailand and just wondered whether I have been spoilt by the scale of women available, the cheap prices and little or no hassle. I like younger girls in their early 20's late or teens but apart from that I am pretty open minded about looks etc.
If there is somewhere in the world that fellow mongers think can equal or better Thailand then I would like to know and I am prepared to travel. I have read the forums extensively and the only place I can see being a serious contender was the Phillipines. But it comes down a lot to people's personal experiences and if there is somewhere else I should try, please guys help me out.
Senor DH,
Amigo, you crack me and I mean that in a good way! It is really good to find you live and well, in a manner of speaking. We miss you in BsAs!
Chau!
By the way, I agree with everything the esteemed Richard Cranium says about Buenos Aires, nothing but ugly women with attitude!
Mortman, another thing that would be helpful to know is what languages you speak. That could make a big difference. I gather you speak Tagalog and Thai, and maybe Mandarin, but what else?
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Mortman, another thing that would be helpful to know is what languages you speak. That could make a big difference. I gather you speak Tagalog and Thai, and maybe Mandarin, but what else?[/QUOTE]
Apart from the language of luuurrrve not much else. Surely there must be somewhere else in the world that can match the prices, availability and relaxed atmosphere for mongering that I have witnessed in PP and LOS? It is just that I and my friend fancied a complete change of scenery and we are willing to travel anywhere if it can match PP and LOS for mongering. Scenery, beaches, food and other things whilst important, will be secondary to the considerations I have already mentioned. If the worst comes to the worst (which is not all that bad at all) I will frequent my old regular haunts. I am becoming so familiar with BKK it is begining to feel like home.
You speak Mandarin so try Macau. They speak mostly Cantonese there but they will probably understand you. That place has some seriously beautiful women. My experience was in the casinos and the scene starts quite late. Prices are a bit high, though.
Macau was a Portuguese colony and is a polyglot mixture of Asian, Hispanic, East Indian and whatever horny sailor came to port. So, some of the women there look really unique and striking.
Other than mongering the place is a shit hole, though.
Ok here's my PERSONAL list of Top 5 list for STR. (with numba 1 being the best country for this activity)
1) Thailand
2)Ecuador
3)Colombia
4)Peru
5)Dom republic
Top 5 list of general costs including mongering,hotels,food etc...etc...with numba 1 being the cheapest.
1)Bolivia
2) Paraguay
3)Thailand
4)Colombia
5)Ecuador equaly with Brasil
My personal Top 5 with the most priciest countries (with 1 being the most expensive)
1)Japan
2)Russia
3)Iceland
4)The UK
5)Argentina equaly with Chile.
Ok guys thats my personal thoughts here.
cheers
Johan
[QUOTE=Johan007]Ok here's my PERSONAL list of Top 5 list for STR. (with numba 1 being the best country for this activity)
1) Thailand
2)Ecuador
3)Colombia
4)Peru
5)Dom republic
Top 5 list of general costs including mongering,hotels,food etc...etc...with numba 1 being the cheapest.
1)Bolivia
2) Paraguay
3)Thailand
4)Colombia
5)Ecuador equaly with Brasil
My personal Top 5 with the most priciest countries (with 1 being the most expensive)
1)Japan
2)Russia
3)Iceland
4)The UK
5)Argentina equaly with Chile.
Ok guys thats my personal thoughts here.
cheers
Johan[/QUOTE]
1_ Don't know about Ecuador but Brasil with 1,8 Reais to the dollar has become expensive.
2_ No way Argentina is the 5th more expensive country. It is still very cheap there. Even in Buenos Ayres.
Thanks
El Greco
[QUOTE=George90]You would think, because we are at war, that we would have more important priorities.[/QUOTE]Trouble is, the US (and allies) are not having enough casualties for them to think about other issues these days than getting men in jail for offences that would've been laughed off by the courts two decades ago.
Note that when it comes to practice, as opposed to theory, most muslim countries now have a less repressive sex climate than Western countries. The media makes a big show out of the plight of some women in countries such as Iran but the fact is that if you were a citizen of Iran, you wouldn't need to travel abroad to get good, cheap (unprotected!) sex with young women. Western man = dupe.
All of us are big travelers. In Europe, I traveled in France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Uk (London and Cambridge), Ireland, Netherlands.
I noticed the same things in France, Spain, London and Ireland. Now in dance clubs there are no balance between girls and guys. I mean now in lots of places you got 11 guys and 2 girls. It was bit different in the UK (Cambridge) and Germany where there are more attractive girls going out. But now, I think it is useless to travel France, Spain, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands, London if you want to pick up girls in danceclubs. I remembered I ve been to this place called the Fabrik in London. For fun, I was standing by the wall and counted the numbers of guys against the number of girls. I counted 11 guys and 2 girls in front of me. What can you do in these circumstances? You can be superman it is not enough. I mean the attractive girls for west europe they got chaperons to protect them. (I saw the case when I was in Madrid, I chatted a very attractive girl in Pacha, and a strong guy came to me, he looks very nervous, he was just here to make me fail.) Another time I was in a club in Amsterdam and some girls were dancing in circle. All around the girls I saw this picture of guys looking at the girls and there were all around the girls. (they didn't know the girls actually). I mean there are so many guys to go to nightclubs in West Europe, sometimes I wonder if all these clubs are now gay clubs
I talked about that with people from east Europe, russia, South America and they told me it is not the case in there own countries. I ll be happy for your opinion about this issue.
Males in Asian and Muslim countries probably have a lot more freedom to be males than those in Western countries today. Womens rights are unheard of in Asia and in the Muslim world, men in those countries tend to get their way with their women more than we do in the Western world. Its unheard of for an adult male in these societies to be unmarried and alone. Hence these countries are younger, have fast growing economies and will eventually dominate the world while the West collapses. Sound outrageous??!! Look at the gloomy economic outlook in the US and in Europe, this while developing countries continue to grow and prosper.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne]All of us are big travelers. In Europe, I traveled in France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Uk (London and Cambridge), Ireland, Netherlands.
I noticed the same things in France, Spain, London and Ireland. Now in dance clubs there are no balance between girls and guys. I mean now in lots of places you got 11 guys and 2 girls. It was bit different in the UK (Cambridge) and Germany where there are more attractive girls going out. But now, I think it is useless to travel France, Spain, Belgium, Ireland, Netherlands, London if you want to pick up girls in danceclubs. I remembered I ve been to this place called the Fabrik in London. For fun, I was standing by the wall and counted the numbers of guys against the number of girls. I counted 11 guys and 2 girls in front of me. What can you do in these circumstances? You can be superman it is not enough. I mean the attractive girls for west europe they got chaperons to protect them. (I saw the case when I was in Madrid, I chatted a very attractive girl in Pacha, and a strong guy came to me, he looks very nervous, he was just here to make me fail.) Another time I was in a club in Amsterdam and some girls were dancing in circle. All around the girls I saw this picture of guys looking at the girls and there were all around the girls. (they didn't know the girls actually). I mean there are so many guys to go to nightclubs in West Europe, sometimes I wonder if all these clubs are now gay clubs
I talked about that with people from east Europe, russia, South America and they told me it is not the case in there own countries. I ll be happy for your opinion about this issue.[/QUOTE]
Let's see -
I was in Norway and one bar I went too in the city center of Bergen, was sausage city! Most of the girls were there with friends (male and female) and I am not the ONE to play [i]Alpha Male[/i] and pluck a girl from the grasp of her friends.
I went to one of the better nightclubs (disco) and found the ratio about 2-1 in favor of the women.
I think this is normal for Western Europe. In Eastern Europe, yes it is mostly women out at night. Which puts more starch into the argument that the lack of available men that are suitable for long term relationships is not very high anywhere in Eastern Europe.
An awful lot of single ladies in those countries are not going to ever get married and have children and many of them are quite attractive.
Very interesting dynamic...
Seeking recommendation.
I have been to Colombia and Thailand. Now wanting to travel and see a few more nationalities.
Which is a better choice for STR (1) Germany FKK scene or (2) Buenos Aires or (3) Dubai or (4) Czechoslovakia
I live in the US and the following are my preferences:
1) Money not too much of a problem: USD 80 per 2hr session looks like a deal to me.
Do not want to spend more than USD 160 for the same. I am a single pop guy so I do not see the need for spending more. I do not enjoy coming more than once every 6 hrs or so.
2) I prefer good performance and attitude over age.
3) I am partial to blondes but attitude comes first.
4) I like to hang out with guys between sessions. So I do enjoy when I meet cool guys to have a beer with.
5) Tourism and good food are also a plus.
6) Airfare from Chicago, US is a consideration (Frankfurt costs US$300 and BA costs US$1000).
Any recommendations?
Don't come to Buenos Aires looking for blondes because you will only find some lame fake ones. Natural blondes are virtually non-existent here. I have met none in four years. None. Zero. The air fare to FKK might be cheaper but everything else will be way more expensive than BA. Especially taxis.
[QUOTE=MS Clive]Seeking recommendation.
I have been to Colombia and Thailand. Now wanting to travel and see a few more nationalities.
Which is a better choice for STR (1) Germany FKK scene or (2) Buenos Aires or (3) Dubai or (4) Czechoslovakia
I live in the US and the following are my preferences:
1) Money not too much of a problem: USD 80 per 2hr session looks like a deal to me.
Do not want to spend more than USD 160 for the same. I am a single pop guy so I do not see the need for spending more. I do not enjoy coming more than once every 6 hrs or so.
2) I prefer good performance and attitude over age.
3) I am partial to blondes but attitude comes first.
4) I like to hang out with guys between sessions. So I do enjoy when I meet cool guys to have a beer with.
5) Tourism and good food are also a plus.
6) Airfare from Chicago, US is a consideration (Frankfurt costs US$300 and BA costs US$1000).
Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]
Common sense should have kicked in somewhere around number #3
Where do you expect to find Blonds in a Latin country? Granted Brazil and Argentina have had more than its share of European settlers, but their simply aren't than many "natural" blonds, several "bottle" however.
Of course its cheaper to go to Germany in the dead of Winter in the Northern Hemisphere, South America is going to be expensive from now until around May or so. C'mon man you just NOW learning to travel internationally??
Bargin Hunters know -
For cheap rates:
Europe in the Winter
South America durinig our Summer (Rainy Season)
And Asia-Pacific is expensive period because of the long plane flight...
I vote for Germany because you want blond (plenty of Eastern Euro booty and German blonds to choose from) and its fairly reasonable. Eros Center for cheap and quick service, FKK's for extended sessions and hmmm, you can try "freebies" and see where that gets you.
Dress WARM
Plenty of blondes in Bogota and Medellin, and in the south of Brazil. But they are still a minority, albeit a big one.
[QUOTE=MS Clive]Seeking recommendation.
I have been to Colombia and Thailand. Now wanting to travel and see a few more nationalities.
Which is a better choice for STR (1) Germany FKK scene or (2) Buenos Aires or (3) Dubai or (4) Czechoslovakia
I live in the US and the following are my preferences:
1) Money not too much of a problem: USD 80 per 2hr session looks like a deal to me.
Do not want to spend more than USD 160 for the same. I am a single pop guy so I do not see the need for spending more. I do not enjoy coming more than once every 6 hrs or so.
2) I prefer good performance and attitude over age.
3) I am partial to blondes but attitude comes first.
4) I like to hang out with guys between sessions. So I do enjoy when I meet cool guys to have a beer with.
5) Tourism and good food are also a plus.
6) Airfare from Chicago, US is a consideration (Frankfurt costs US$300 and BA costs US$1000).
Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]
Prague. Fullstop.
Dubai is nice but really expensive: $250-3?? for the night(2-4hrs) from the nice hotels. No short-term action is really avail. Many girls also won't go with you unless you are staying in a 4-5 star hotel. I stayed in a $100 a night joint on K-Port road (maybe it was called the K-port inn) and some girls all voiced initial opposition to going back with me.
I've never been to BA and would love to go. Good luck. You won't go wrong with any of these locales.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Don't come to Buenos Aires looking for blondes because you will only find some lame fake ones. Natural blondes are virtually non-existent here. I have met none in four years. None. Zero. The air fare to FKK might be cheaper but everything else will be way more expensive than BA. Especially taxis.[/QUOTE]DH I've known several though I will concede they're the minority. They're seem to be more prevalent in provincial cites (excluding far north) such as Cordoba and Mar del Plata. Many in MDP.
I am speaking specifically of Buenos Aires city or GBA at any rate. Probably I should have been specific since Buenos Aires could mean three things: the city, zona contraurbano or whatever the official name for greater Buenos Aires is, or the whole fucking province all the way down to the Río Negro. I never extended my statement to other provinces. Plenty of blondes in Entre Rios from German immigration. I have heard the same for Misiones but I haven't been there. Córdoba I did not notice blonds in large quantities but the women there are taller. Overall I would say Córdoba has the best looking women of anywhere I've been in Argentina, which is about half the country.
But that is why your name is Moore. Anything anyone else has done, you have done Moore of it. Moore traveling, Moore mongering, Moore pussy, and you earned Moore money doing it. So it stands to reason you would have met Moore blonds down here than I have.
Hey, you remember that photo you posted of that chica with the dildo up her ass? I have that as my screen saver right now. The chicas really hate it.
Moore power to you. I wouldn't expect anything less than a sarcastic reply.
Of course I remember the photo. Years(?) later I still sometimes get pms asking what apartment that girl can be found in. ;)
Happy New Year
Moore
[QUOTE=Moore]Moore power to you. I wouldn't expect anything less than a sarcastic reply.
Of course I remember the photo. Years(?) later I still sometimes get pms asking what apartment that girl can be found in. ;)
Happy New Year
Moore[/QUOTE]Oh please point me to this pic posting.
Best places for STR:
Thailand and Rio
My toplist for EUROPE :
1) Russia
2) Moldova
3) Ukraine
4) Latvia
5) Czech Republic
6) Cyprus
7) Poland
8) Switzerland
9) Italy
10) France
Shenzen is amazing, cheap, and beautiful!
Hong Kong is cool too, as is Macau if you fancy paying a little more for a better service.
If you want blondes, there are plenty in every city in the US. Why would you want to spend a sh!tload of money traveling to a foreign country to find one, when you can pick one up any anywhere in the US? You can call any escort agency in the US and request a blonde. Trust me, there is at least one natural blonde employed by every escort agency in the US available at any time. You being American, you should know that, unless you haven't made any use of escort agencies here before.
[QUOTE=MS Clive]Seeking recommendation.
I have been to Colombia and Thailand. Now wanting to travel and see a few more nationalities.
Which is a better choice for STR (1) Germany FKK scene or (2) Buenos Aires or (3) Dubai or (4) Czechoslovakia
I live in the US and the following are my preferences:
1) Money not too much of a problem: USD 80 per 2hr session looks like a deal to me.
Do not want to spend more than USD 160 for the same. I am a single pop guy so I do not see the need for spending more. I do not enjoy coming more than once every 6 hrs or so.
2) I prefer good performance and attitude over age.
3) I am partial to blondes but attitude comes first.
4) I like to hang out with guys between sessions. So I do enjoy when I meet cool guys to have a beer with.
5) Tourism and good food are also a plus.
6) Airfare from Chicago, US is a consideration (Frankfurt costs US$300 and BA costs US$1000).
Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]
You're right, CBGBConnisur, about American men being morons easily shelling out hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars for lap dancing only. Then, they might shell out like between $200-500 more for a fuckin BBBJ! I know strippers that make fun of them all the time. Escort agencies are equally as expensive, even independant escorts are outrageous. The only cheap sex that you can get for money in the US, is if you want to take the risk of fucking a crack *****. Then, you not only have to worry about robbery, but you also have to seriously consider that 9 out of 10 of them are more than likely HIV+ in the first place. You can get a BBBJ from crack *****s in the US for $5, no joke!
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Germany is full of FKK brothels, probably the best Western European country for mongering. I would say Spain might be good for mongering as well, especially in the coastal areas. The US is a total waste of time for hobbying. The only decent action in North America is found in Montreal and Vancouver.
A lot of guys in America are morons, they would easily shell out hundreds of dollars on a lap dance for an average looking girl. Compare this with European men who expect a lot more and I know a few who got top service from genuine 9's and 10's only to walk out without paying a dime.
Craigslist is full of scammers and liars, and most of the time the pictures are fake. I never monger in the USA, and have not done so for nearly a decade. Once you try the service overseas you will never deal with American prostitutes again.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I am a big brazil fan, but in the mood for something else. So I am planning my first mongering trip to Asia later this year.
Which countries / cities are the best places to visit for a sampling of the finest women Asia has to offer?
I will only stay in each location for a few days so I am only interested in P4P and not dating, flirting and not having sex. Money is not a problem.
All ideas welcome.
Junior
I have been to Myanmmar, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand and singapore. [not to China]
Best organised safe with daytime soapies = Pattaya
Best legal cute and cheap=Yangon [difficult to get to]
Best variety organised safe = Jakarta brothels
Best WESTERN like atmosphere Singapore [pricey]
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]I have been to Myanmmar, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, Thailand and singapore. [not to China]
Best organised safe with daytime soapies = Pattaya
Best legal cute and cheap=Yangon [difficult to get to]
Best variety organised safe = Jakarta brothels
Best WESTERN like atmosphere Singapore [pricey][/QUOTE]
Check it out - [url]http://www.linktv.org/programs/spot_virgintrade[/url]
Link is very liberal I wouldn't worry about some mainstream fallout from this...
[QUOTE=Junior]Hi,
I am a big brazil fan, but in the mood for something else. So I am planning my first mongering trip to Asia later this year.
Which countries / cities are the best places to visit for a sampling of the finest women Asia has to offer?
I will only stay in each location for a few days so I am only interested in P4P and not dating, flirting and not having sex. Money is not a problem.
All ideas welcome.
Junior[/QUOTE]Hi,
You been a Brazilian fan ,and for me i have been an Asian one with aspiration to travel to Brazil soon.
As far as mongering is concerned Thailand ( Bangkok and Pattaya) remain the unquestionable King of the Asian continent with phillipines giving a close chase . If you want a good experience and u are into variety with safety and choice in mind hop over to any of these countries. There is more p4p then what u can imagine or ask for.
As Jayagopal has said i completely agree with him on the labellings and to add a few places , hong kong is very easy to get p4p with good variety ( knowing cantonese helps) and Macau provides some real good p4p as well. China thread shows a lot of scope there as well ,however havent had personal experience so would not be able to comment.
One place u gotta miss out on is India( yeah my homeland) cause p4p is ridiculously expensive as well as a tormentous experience as well . However the place is beautiful for a vaccation but not what u are looking for. Singapore is pricey but has a kool air about it and is like the rest of the teeny weeny country..very organized and safe.
Have a nice trip and enjoy safe mongering. Do remember to post your experience on the board.
Regards,
Silent Thoughts
Hello, guys
With the huge value of euro against US dollar, I'm looking for country where US dollar is accepted in the p4p field. (not speaking of usa)
I already know Cambodia, do you have others?
Hi Guys,
Please recommend me a country to go to this summer Jul-2008 giving the following:
Duration: 10 days
Close to: Bahrain - up to 7 hours flight
Budget: USD 5,000 including hotel
Safety: Very safe
Preferred girls: European or African
I am familiar with Asian and Dubai seen please recommend other counteries with a promise to report back on my trip.
Thank you in advance.
Jblack
[QUOTE=Epicurien2]Hello, guys
With the huge value of euro against US dollar, I'm looking for country where US dollar is accepted in the p4p field. (not speaking of usa)
I already know Cambodia, do you have others?[/QUOTE]
I would suggest Sosua in the Dominican Republic. Flights from USA to Puerto Plata, from take take a taxi to Sosua.
Also Medellin or Cali in Colombia are options.
[QUOTE=Dutchie525]I would suggest Sosua in the Dominican Republic. Flights from USA to Puerto Plata, from take take a taxi to Sosua.
Also Medellin or Cali in Colombia are options.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the answer, but I'm an european guy and I was asking where can I go to make my euros be a huge value due to dollar down.
[QUOTE=Epicurien2]Hello, guys
With the huge value of euro against US dollar, I'm looking for country where US dollar is accepted in the p4p field. (not speaking of usa)
I already know Cambodia, do you have others?[/QUOTE]
Ecuador, Panama and El Salvador all use the U.S. dollar as their official currency. Check out those individual threads for more info.
I think a couple countries in the Caribbean use USD as well, not sure which ones though, you'd have to research that.
I also read somewhere that East Timor uses USD, but I'm not sure about that. And I'm not sure why anyone would monger there, for that matter!
St. Martin is one island in the Caribbean that generally uses dollars. Supposedly the French side is more hesitant to take dollars however a.) the brothels are all on the Dutch side and b.) I personally never had a problem using dollars on the French side.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Ecuador, Panama and El Salvador all use the U.S. dollar as their official currency. Check out those individual threads for more info.
I think a couple countries in the Caribbean use USD as well, not sure which ones though, you'd have to research that.
I also read somewhere that East Timor uses USD, but I'm not sure about that. And I'm not sure whay anyone would monger there, for that matter![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Epicurien2]Thanks for the answer, but I'm an european guy and I was asking where can I go to make my euros be a huge value due to dollar down.[/QUOTE]
Several Caribbean countries peg their currency to the US dollar. The exchange benefit euros have with them is the same as it is with the US dollar. Barbados, Bahamas, Netherlands Antilles (Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire, and 3 others) are some that I know.
Curacao has the famous Campo Alegre. 50 florins, or 28 US dollars, gets 30 minutes with a chica in her cabine. At $1.50 per euro, that is about 21 euros.
I would like to know current opinion for the best places in the world for mongering/p4p, based on the following criteria:
1. Quality of girls (ie. looks, friendly, GFE, FS, etc.)
2. Quantity of girls (ie. from many countries, big, small, etc.)
3. Ease of Use (ie. are the places clean, organised, legal, etc.)
4. Price
Given the criteria above and from personal experience, I would say:
1. Any German FKK
2. Any Macau sauna
3. Pattaya, Thailand
The best places in the world for mongering/p4p, based on the following criteria:
1. Quality of girls (ie. looks, friendly, GFE, FS, etc.)
2. Quantity of girls (ie. from many countries, big, small, etc.)
3. Ease of Use (ie. are the places clean, organised, legal, etc.)
4. Price
Given the criteria above and from personal experience, I would say:
1. Bangkok, Thailand
2. Pattaya, Thailand
3. Mombasa, Kenya
what is the best place to go for cheap sex? I have been to Pattaya, but that is the only place. I want to go somewhere for a month or two. I dont want to spend much on motels or food. I dont really want sex every day, maybe once or twice a week. Any place in south america sound good.
I know I should rtff, but I was hoping for a few leads on where to concentrate my time
thanks
I was searching for a place in Eastern Europe to visit for strictly a pussy run. After independent research. I have came to the conclusion the German FKK is the place to go in Europe for a guy such as myself. Yes I know it’s not EE. After seeing photo after photos of beauties from EE I was transfixed and of course I wanted to exploit the economic situation. After the countries I researched I came up with this (keep in mind I have not visited any but through my research this is what I came up with):
Belarus: Corrupt crime, P4p scene damn near non existent.
Czech Republic: Expensive, over saturated with Joe-Blows
Kazakhstan: Visa restrictions, Shady locals.
Moldova: No p4p scene, Girls are kind of shady, Reluctant to hook up with short time visitors.
Romania: Corruption, Crime, unfriendly locals.
Russia: Skinheads, Corruption.
Ukraine: Skinheads, Expensive p4p scene and not clear cut.
I am not worried about money at all but I just can’t see myself paying 500 Euros a night for some ass. My thirst for some women of the European white variety is growing ever present after spending most of my time in Dubai and the orient. There are many white European WGs in Dubai but sadly a lot of them now show racial favor. It wasn’t like that about 3 three years I have no idea what the fuck happened?
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]I was searching for a place in Eastern Europe to visit for strictly a pussy run. After independent research. I have came to the conclusion the German FKK is the place to go in Europe for a guy such as myself. Yes I know it’s not EE. After seeing photo after photos of beauties from EE I was transfixed and of course I wanted to exploit the economic situation. After the countries I researched I came up with this (keep in mind I have not visited any but through my research this is what I came up with):
Belarus: Corrupt crime, P4p scene damn near non existent.
Czech Republic: Expensive, over saturated with Joe-Blows
Kazakhstan: Visa restrictions, Shady locals.
Moldova: No p4p scene, Girls are kind of shady, Reluctant to hook up with short time visitors.
Romania: Corruption, Crime, unfriendly locals.
Russia: Skinheads, Corruption.
Ukraine: Skinheads, Expensive p4p scene and not clear cut.
I am not worried about money at all but I just can’t see myself paying 500 Euros a night for some ass. My thirst for some women of the European white variety is growing ever present after spending most of my time in Dubai and the orient. There are many white European WGs in Dubai but sadly a lot of them now show racial favor. It wasn’t like that about 3 three years I have no idea what the fuck happened?[/QUOTE]
I don't either... FKK's are your best bet, based on personal experience.
With THAT said, with a little time invested, Scandinavia isn't a bad place to be and neither is Germany or the UK for that matter...
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't either... FKK's are your best bet, based on personal experience.
With THAT said, with a little time invested, Scandinavia isn't a bad place to be and neither is Germany or the UK for that matter...[/QUOTE]
Agree that FKK's are a very good bet unless you want the "total" experience of being in the location and culture that is EE. That does tend to enhance the trip experience for some, but not others.
Finally, add in the seemingly now much more prevalent FKK EE 'bonus'.
In Prague as but one example, service offerings have slipped badly, with BBBJ and DFK become rarer and rarer unless with very high surcharges. The same Czech girls arriving at FKK's immediately up their game to meet the demands and needs of the local FKK market. BBBJ and DFK often provided depending upon the club and much less the girl as an obligatory starter set for the traditional Euro 50 per half hour.
You can add the same thing for Bulgaria as another example of the FKK 'bonus'.
Airfares to Germany are often on reduced prices and a much greater assortment of Hotel pricing can usually provide accomodation for Mongers of all budgets.
So there is a lot of mileage left in the FKK model. Tipping is a relative rarity among German Customers at FKK's and visiting mongers should follow local custom. The FKK tip is to extend the session with a good performer or book her again with a smile during the day, or on follow-up days.
"If God had wanted mongers to remain celibate, He would not have invented FKK's"
[QUOTE=Excess]Agree that FKK's are a very good bet unless you want the "total" experience of being in the location and culture that is EE. That does tend to enhance the trip experience for some, but not others.
Finally, add in the seemingly now much more prevalent FKK EE 'bonus'.
In Prague as but one example, service offerings have slipped badly, with BBBJ and DFK become rarer and rarer unless with very high surcharges. The same Czech girls arriving at FKK's immediately up their game to meet the demands and needs of the local FKK market. BBBJ and DFK often provided depending upon the club and much less the girl as an obligatory starter set for the traditional Euro 50 per half hour.
You can add the same thing for Bulgaria as another example of the FKK 'bonus'.
Airfares to Germany are often on reduced prices and a much greater assortment of Hotel pricing can usually provide accomodation for Mongers of all budgets.
So there is a lot of mileage left in the FKK model. Tipping is a relative rarity among German Customers at FKK's and visiting mongers should follow local custom. The FKK tip is to extend the session with a good performer or book her again with a smile during the day, or on follow-up days.
"If God had wanted mongers to remain celibate, He would not have invented FKK's"[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more. If your goal is to bang White Women, an FKK is where you should go. Moscow is overpriced for what you get and the issues with getting into the country.
I never understood people going to an FKK to bang Latinas or Africans, when going to Africa is cheap from Europe and going to Latina countries like Argentina is fairly affordable and cheap when compared to fucking for profit at home.
I would go to an FKK in Europe because the going rate for legal pussy in Nevada is outragous, $600-700 at Sherri's Ranch?? Holy Cow!
In the off season you can fly to Berlin or Frankfurt for $600 (from the west coast). Convertering Euro into dollars, a typical FFK visit cost me at today's exchange rate - $147 per session, usually one hour because I would cum inside of 10-15 mins because of lack of sexual activity.
I wouldn't count airfare as part of the overall cost because your "freebie" quest should be alot different than back at home and if you have a certain amount of success at home, then you can expect the same in Europe with less nonsense involved.
You could easily go for a week and spend maybe $1500 total, especially if your near an RLD like in Frankfurt. I actually got tired of fucking so much, really. Stay in a hostel for cheap, so what if you have to share a room, all you need is a place to sleep and maybe check your email if you have a laptop, most have WiFi.
RLD fucks for 15-20 mins is 30 Euro, very non GFE though.
There are I think 3 major FKK's in Frankfurt-Main. I'm going to go to Berlin next time. Because its not the business/financial center Frankfurt is, it tends to be a bit cheaper for accommodations and the like. Its "scene" depends more on private houses, than FKK's however.
In my opinion the EE is strictly for people that do business over there. Your only other reason to be there is to find a wife and that's it.... If your the artisty fartesy type I guess you could get a hard-on for all the old buildings and culture and to be honest I find what has happen to these people while under Soviet rule quite interesting, but you need to talk to the people about that, you won't find it in American history books and that's possibly enough to go without being soely focused on your dick.
I'm discovering I need a fluent English speaker and those women in the EE are coveted and in high demand for the men that are interested in them.
Oh well, I'm going off topic but you get the idea...
Greetings all,
I am a frequent visitor to South America and am completely in love with brazilian women, however after many great trips there I have now decided to give Asia a try.
So I am interested in opinions suggestions as to where I should go.
Some facts:
* I prefer clean high end activities with very attractive women.
* Price is not a big concern.
* Looking to stay 3-4 days in each place.
* Must be reachable by air (and no funny or risky airlines, please)
* Quality, girl-friendly hotel is also a must.
* Access to interesting non-monger actitivites a plus (nature, golf, etc...)
* Trip will be in january.
Best regards,
Junior
[QUOTE=Junior]Greetings all,
I am a frequent visitor to South America and am completely in love with brazilian women, however after many great trips there I have now decided to give Asia a try.
So I am interested in opinions suggestions as to where I should go.
Some facts:
* I prefer clean high end activities with very attractive women.
* Price is not a big concern.
* Looking to stay 3-4 days in each place.
* Must be reachable by air (and no funny or risky airlines, please)
* Quality, girl-friendly hotel is also a must.
* Access to interesting non-monger actitivites a plus (nature, golf, etc...)
* Trip will be in january.
Best regards,
Junior[/QUOTE]
I am Daddy Warbucks and I approve this message (Barack's evil twin)
Thailand/Singapore
[QUOTE=Junior]Greetings all,
I am a frequent visitor to South America and am completely in love with brazilian women, however after many great trips there I have now decided to give Asia a try.
So I am interested in opinions suggestions as to where I should go.
Some facts:
* I prefer clean high end activities with very attractive women.
* Price is not a big concern.
* Looking to stay 3-4 days in each place.
* Must be reachable by air (and no funny or risky airlines, please)
* Quality, girl-friendly hotel is also a must.
* Access to interesting non-monger actitivites a plus (nature, golf, etc...)
* Trip will be in january.
Best regards,
Junior[/QUOTE]
You won't get the big bodies you get in Brazil( big bunda, tits) in Asia, which on prefer in women. Thai women are very pretty, but thier great diets lead to little girl bodies, which is kinda perv attraction to me.
Pattaya offers the greatest monger playground to me: golf ,scuba, some shopping and thousands of girls. Singapore is like being home with open monger and non-pro opportunities.
Non-language barrier in Phils makes being there way easier, and the talent is no joke either. Pinay women usually deliver the goods in a big way, esp if they like you or there is promise for big returns down the line.
Have fun!
What's the best country for STR in Latin America ?
Here's my criteria:
1. City on the Coast
2. Lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian)
3. Pretty, slender women 18 - 29
4. Low prices
5. Good Service
Of the following list, what's the best country ?
Belize
Colombia
Cuba
DR
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaraugua
Panama
Venezuela
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]You won't get the big bodies you get in Brazil( big bunda, tits) in Asia, which on prefer in women. Thai women are very pretty, but thier great diets lead to little girl bodies, which is kinda perv attraction to me.
Pattaya offers the greatest monger playground to me: golf ,scuba, some shopping and thousands of girls. Singapore is like being home with open monger and non-pro opportunities.
Non-language barrier in Phils makes being there way easier, and the talent is no joke either. Pinay women usually deliver the goods in a big way, esp if they like you or there is promise for big returns down the line.
Have fun![/QUOTE]
Singapore looks interesting....
I do want to hang out in these countries and I would like to hit up the Macu Grand Prix too. I love the World Touring Car Championship...
In Latin America the closer you get to the coast, the darker the women get in general. Probably your best option is Buenos Aires, if not your ONLY option.
[QUOTE=Water Boy]What's the best country for STR in Latin America ?
Here's my criteria:
1. City on the Coast
2. Lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian)
3. Pretty, slender women 18 - 29
4. Low prices
5. Good Service
Of the following list, what's the best country ?
Belize
Colombia
Cuba
DR
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaraugua
Panama
Venezuela[/QUOTE]
Buenos Aires is [b]not[/b] on the coast but it has all those other things. But since I know Water Boy and he's been there many times, I don't really know why he's even posting this. Lima, Peru is on the coast and so is Valparaiso, Chile. Valparaiso is a really interesting place and there's lots of P4P there but the prices aren't really very low.
Many Brazilian women are white. I heard about 60 percent of the country is white or mixed white. Most of the ones I have seen in my city are European looking.
Best looking woman I ever saw in my life, and I have extremely high standards, had a caramel bronze skin complexion. She was mixed race.
I am some how hooked to scoring black females. They appeal to me and I find them pretty more GFE than others. I have tried blacks in Tanzania, Mumbasa and Brazil.
Any new mongering experiences. I believe that Ethopians are very pretty , but in Addis they have a strict no BJ policy
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Buenos Aires is [b]not[/b] on the coast but it has all those other things. But since I know Water Boy and he's been there many times, I don't really know why he's even posting this. Lima, Peru is on the coast and so is Valparaiso, Chile. Valparaiso is a really interesting place and there's lots of P4P there but the prices aren't really very low.[/QUOTE]I have never been to BA.
[QUOTE=Tercar 66]I am some how hooked to scoring black females. They appeal to me and I find them pretty more GFE than others. I have tried blacks in Tanzania, Mumbasa and Brazil.
Any new mongering experiences. I believe that Ethopians are very pretty , but in Addis they have a strict no BJ policy[/QUOTE]I agree with you - I find the babes from Zambia and the congo so apealling and wicked for GFE. I have had the pleasure of some Moz. babes and they are a very close third in my books.
All this talk I think I'm going out tonight and eat some black pie.
[QUOTE=Water Boy]I have never been to BA.[/QUOTE]
Must be someone on that forum with the same name or maybe it's Waterboy without a space. Heavyset black guy who is in the Reserves.
I am wondering in which countries other than Brazil, Anal is accepted as part of "customer satisfaction". I could not get any Chinese girl to agree even thought some of them had a loose sphincter on fingering.
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]I am wondering in which countries other than Brazil, Anal is accepted as part of "customer satisfaction". I could not get any Chinese girl to agree even thought some of them had a loose sphincter on fingering.[/QUOTE]
I have had anal with Dominican and Colombian women. Though I would not say that it is guaranteed with every GDP in those countries.
It is impossible in the English-speaking Caribbean.
I suspect that in some African countries many women will open their sphincters for you if you show them enough money. I am certain, based on my experience there, that they will refuse if you talk abut it first outside the bedroom. But in private, seeing the cash, I am pretty sure many will bend over and take it.
I have not mongered in Europe, but I am told anal is widely available.
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]I am wondering in which countries other than Brazil, Anal is accepted as part of "customer satisfaction". I could not get any Chinese girl to agree even thought some of them had a loose sphincter on fingering.[/QUOTE] Many young arab girls want to be virgin at marriage, so they commonly perform oral and anal sex with their boyfriends. I had a North-African girlfriend at University, when I was 20 yo, and she explained this to me.
BB.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Buenos Aires is [b]not[/b] on the coast [/QUOTE]
??? Where do you get that idea? Maybe check a map. I've sailed from BA. Water+Land - yep, definitely 'coast' ;-)
A rather limited list . . . But for your criteria, I'd say Brasil wins hands down . . .
[QUOTE=Water Boy]What's the best country for STR in Latin America ?
Here's my criteria:
1. City on the Coast
2. Lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian)
3. Pretty, slender women 18 - 29
4. Low prices
5. Good Service
Of the following list, what's the best country ?
Belize
Colombia
Cuba
DR
Honduras
Mexico
Nicaraugua
Panama
Venezuela[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Christopherd]??? Where do you get that idea? Maybe check a map. I've sailed from BA. Water+Land - yep, definitely 'coast' ;-)[/QUOTE]
Buenos Aires is maybe 60 miles (?) upriver from the Atlantic Ocean on the Rio de la Plata.
Definitely not "on the coast". ;)
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Many young arab girls want to be virgin at marriage, so they commonly perform oral and anal sex with their boyfriends. I had a North-African girlfriend at University, when I was 20 yo, and she explained this to me.
BB.[/QUOTE]I was at marrkesh and casablanca 2 times and found that local hangoutatHyatt were risky as too much security. However I found their dancing very sexy and would love to explore their rear ends. The one Morrocan girl in BKK did not offer greek. What about getting Arab girls outside the dangerous Mid-east which place to go to?
Well if it's close enough for the poster to be considered "on the coast" I'd count it in. Basically for what he's looking for, it's BA, Punto del Este, Florianopolis, etc.
I travel a lot because I am retired and just manage my savings. I bailed out of the market in March 2008 so most of my money is intact. This year, I have visited or returned to Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, USA, Canada, UK, Czech republic, Spain, Macao, Thailand, Singapore, Australia.
This is my list of best mongering places for a 50 something chap who needs viagra sometimes (I try without but 1-2 times out of 10, I need a boost).
China (far and away the best if you speak some chinese)
Thailand (if BKK does not wear you out, Pattaya will finish the job)
Philippines (especially if you want a 1-2 week with same girl-they will even take you home)
Singapore (Geyland..........most hookers in one place)
worst............France
Would like to visit: I am planning a 2 month trip to South America; I am taking spannish lessons
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]I am wondering in which countries other than Brazil, Anal is accepted as part of "customer satisfaction". I could not get any Chinese girl to agree even thought some of them had a loose sphincter on fingering.[/QUOTE]If you go to Lagos or Port Harcourt in Nigeria, almost 99.9% girls are available for anal sex.
Almost 99.9% girls walking on streets of Lagos or Port Harcourt are available for sex at any given time of the day in return for money.
In my opinion and after traveling to over 50 mongering countries, not necessarily in a specific order:
1. Thailand
2. Argentina
3. Nigeria
4. Gautemala
5. Brazil
[QUOTE=Johan007]Ok here's my PERSONAL list of Top 5 list for STR. (with numba 1 being the best country for this activity)
1) Thailand
2)Ecuador
3)Colombia
4)Peru
5)Dom republic
Top 5 list of general costs including mongering, hotels, food etc. ..etc.. .with numba 1 being the cheapest.
1) Bolivia
2) Paraguay
3) Thailand
4) Colombia
5) Ecuador equaly with Brasil
My personal Top 5 with the most priciest countries (with 1 being the most expensive)
1) Japan
2) Russia
3) Iceland
4) The UK
5) Argentina equaly with Chile.
Ok guys thats my personal thoughts here.
cheers
Johan[/QUOTE]
No way Argentina is 5th most expensive!!
No way Paraguay is cheaper than Thailand!!
Ecuador is one of the most disappointing places to ever go for mongering unless you live there and have no other options.
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50]I was at marrkesh and casablanca 2 times and found that local hangoutatHyatt were risky as too much security. However I found their dancing very sexy and would love to explore their rear ends. The one Morrocan girl in BKK did not offer greek. What about getting Arab girls outside the dangerous Mid-east which place to go to?[/QUOTE]
Try Spain and France ...
BB
Everybody talks about the financial crisis everywhere. And i tell you it will impact the pussycat market as well.
I think we will see a pussycat price deflation.
Personnally i saw the pussycat market crazy inflation at the same than the stockt market bubble after 2002. This inflation came with a kind of new arrogance behaviour from girls.
Lots of us, noticed last year, increasing price in Romania for instance, we posh arrogant behaviour.
No worries, everything will get back to reasonnable prices. You ll see at the beginning of 2009.
[QUOTE=Horatio]what is the best place to go for cheap sex? I have been to Pattaya, but that is the only place.
I know I should rtff, but I was hoping for a few leads on where to concentrate my time
thanks[/QUOTE]
Pattaya, Thailand
Angeles City, Philippines
Chang Ping, China
Fly into HK; easy to get to the rest
You can f**k to your dick's exhaustion for 20-40 USD per pop.
Unfortunately, the pussy price and girls' arrogance does not depend on the stock market only, it also depends on the number of rich "westerners" coming to the girls. For example Czech republic used to be a heaven in 90s. The girls did not speak English, were modest and cheap.
Later when all this EU/Euro thing started, Prague is full of tourists, almost every girl speaks English, so the prices are much higher now. In a central club one hour with a girl was about $80, now it's at least 200EU. Some girls earn thousands over a weekend. Many men from countries such as UK do not mind to pay to the girls while the local's normal salary is still pretty low, about $1000/month.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne]Everybody talks about the financial crisis everywhere. And i tell you it will impact the pussycat market as well.
I think we will see a pussycat price deflation.
Personnally i saw the pussycat market crazy inflation at the same than the stockt market bubble after 2002. This inflation came with a kind of new arrogance behaviour from girls.
Lots of us, noticed last year, increasing price in Romania for instance, we posh arrogant behaviour.
No worries, everything will get back to reasonnable prices. You ll see at the beginning of 2009.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Unfortunately, the pussy price and girls' arrogance does not depend on the stock market only, it also depends on the number of rich "westerners" coming to the girls. For example Czech republic used to be a heaven in 90s. The girls did not speak English, were modest and cheap.
Later when all this EU/Euro thing started, Prague is full of tourists, almost every girl speaks English, so the prices are much higher now. In a central club one hour with a girl was about $80, now it's at least 200EU. Some girls earn thousands over a weekend. Many men from countries such as UK do not mind to pay to the girls while the local's normal salary is still pretty low, about $1000/month.[/QUOTE]
That's because to find it locally back at home is ridiculously expensive. But then again, I have heard quality has went down the tubes in Prague as well and now your just paying 200 Euro for "Average" services at best. Take a cheap BMI or RyanAir flight to A-dam or even Germany, I think value for money is still honored these places and your best value in Europe I think continues to be Germany.
For those looking for women of color or have "yellow fever" I guess Germany isn't such a hot idea, but for me as a lover of Caucasian women its a natural fit. I do love Latinas though, not so much the Mexicans that are already here or in Mexico, but more so the Latinas you find further South that have more European blood in them (ie: Fair Skin, Light Eyes, Lighter Hair Color)
I just can't get into Asian women, so besides wanting to see Thailand because its interesting and my co-worker is trying to get me to go to the Philippines when he goes back to visit family later this year, I'm not that exited to go.
My .02
rio de janeiro vs. pattaya
having just completed my first ever trip to pattaya, i thought it might be helpful for the monger community to get a comparison of the worlds two most famous mongering destinations.
just a few words of background. i love rio and brazilian women and have been to the marvellous city many times over the years. i speak portuguese which also makes a big difference. so my conclusion was never in doubt, but i will try to give a fair, albeit it, personal comparison.
my holidays are on relatively high budgets, so the conclusions are based on a fairly good budget.
the two cities
rio is probably one of the most beautiful cities in the world with a great combination of beaches, mountains, forests etc. traffic is bad, but the city has a good metro system and taxis are available very easily.
pattaya is not as nice as rio, but still has a beach (but nobody was swimming in the water). it is very build-up and i felt it was quite crowded. traffic is ok, and baht busses are readily available.
winner: rio
safety
i never felt unsafe in pattaya and it seems to have a good safety reputation.
rio is known to be an unsafe city with a very high murder rate. personally, i have never had problems in rio as i take my precautions.
winner: pattaya
non-mongering activities
pattaya has very good sporting activities available at very good prices. these include diving, golf, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] etc. this is less easy to find in rio.
rio has excellent sightseeing tours, including the statue of christ and sugarloaf mountain to name a few. pattaya seemed to have less interesting tour options.
winner: depends on your preferences.
food
both cities have very good local food available a reasonable prices. i like both thai and brazilian food so for my detail regular meals both cities have good options.
there are a number of very good restaurants in rio with high-end international cuisine. these include satyricon, antequarius, fasano etc. i did not find high end international restaurants in pattaya.
winner: depends on food preference – mine is rio due to the high end restaurants.
non-pro nightlife
when in rio i sometimes like to take a night off (from the professional ladies) and go to a regular club. there are many good clubs with local clients only where you can have a great time. on some occasions you might even end up with non-pro for the night.
in pattaya there are so many foreingnes and prostitution is more widespread than in rio. this also means that most if not all clubs with have foreigners and local pros in their audience.
brazilian music in pretty good and i have even come to like to bailefunk party music – whereas i have heard enough thai techno music to last me a lifetime.
winner: rio
prices
generally speaking most, if not all things, are cheaper in pattaya.
apples to apples you get more for your dollars, euros …. in pattaya than in rio. this includes hotels, food, entertaining, women …
lunch:
thai food: 250baht (app. u$7)
brazilian kilograma: 35 reals (u$15)
two girl party:
pattaya (hell club): 3600baht for 90 minutes (u$100)
rio (centaurus): 800 reals for 60 minutes (u$355)
both places are, imho, the cities finest.
good local hotel:
pattaya: 2500 baht (u$72)
rio: u$130
i usually set a budget for my trips. i could not spend my whole budget in pattaya as it is quite cheap. on the other hand i have never been able to stay on budget in rio.
winner: pattaya
women
brazilian women come in all shape, sizes and colours – you can pretty much find all types of women in rio. thai women come in two shapes and sizes – small and very small.
to be perfectly honest it is not even a close call, brazilian women are far more attractive to me than thai women.
thai women are very nice and treat you very well if they like you. the lady i had last night would not allow me to get off the couch to get a beer, she always went to get it for me.
brasilian women are not quite like that, but they are still great company.
winner: rio
sex
again, not even a close call. brazilian women are great in bed, probably the best in world. thai womens sexual skills pale in comparison.
i have had so much great sex in brazil that i have stopped counting ….the best sex i had in pattaya does not even make it to my top50 sessions.
brazilian women are much more into sex and can genuinely provide a great gfe even if they have never met you before. brazilian women are also more sexually demanding – you will get a long way with them if you can really make the come.
winner: rio
will i go back?
…to pattaya: probably not, thai women does not really do it for me.
…to rio: every year till the day i die ( which i hope will be at an old age and in bed with 5 exhausted 19 year old brasilieras).
Some back story -
I wanted to finally go to Brazil. I've been dying to go every since I discovered this forum a few years ago. I went to Europe first in hopes I could lay the foundation for a long term relationship.
Crash and Burn, putting together Euro Trip 2.0 currently....
In the meantime, I haven't had sex since I returned from Europe. Well its time to remedy that.
I had planned my trip to Brazil around the World Touring Car Championship Round #1 to be held in Curitiba, but I think I'll miss that, we've had turnover at work again so I might have to push that back (March 8th).
So if I miss that target, I thought I would ask for some opinion of other options -
This trip has to be done for around $1200-1500US
I am trying to keep the cost of transportation and lodging total under $900. I plan on doing this staying mostly in low cost hotels or hostels. This would leave $300-$700 for "hobbies".
With the exchange rate, I have come up with three locations:
Brazil
Argentina
Columbia
I wanted to do 10 days in either location or about $100 a day.
Any input would be welcomed....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Some back story -
I wanted to finally go to Brazil. I've been dying to go every since I discovered this forum a few years ago. I went to Europe first in hopes I could lay the foundation for a long term relationship.
Crash and Burn, putting together Euro Trip 2.0 currently....
In the meantime, I haven't had sex since I returned from Europe. Well its time to remedy that.
I had planned my trip to Brazil around the World Touring Car Championship Round #1 to be held in Curitiba, but I think I'll miss that, we've had turnover at work again so I might have to push that back (March 8th).
So if I miss that target, I thought I would ask for some opinion of other options -
This trip has to be done for around $1200-1500US
I am trying to keep the cost of transportation and lodging total under $900. I plan on doing this staying mostly in low cost hotels or hostels. This would leave $300-$700 for "hobbies".
With the exchange rate, I have come up with three locations:
Brazil
Argentina
Columbia
I wanted to do 10 days in either location or about $100 a day.
Any input would be welcomed....[/QUOTE]
DJ,
I have travelled to Brazil and Colombia a dozen times each in the past 10 years. Your budget of $1,500 US serious limits your options.
Brazil: I like the Northeast, Salvador especially. The [i]lowest[/i] fare I have ever received from Miami to Salvador was $700 US, and that was 7 years ago. AA has a new route from Miami to Salvador with a fare of $290 each way (off peak) plus tax. That should total between $650 and $750. Note that the airfare will be at least half your budget if you go to Brazil. (Check the fares from your city.)
There are many budget hotels in every city. They are not difficult to find as the airports have tourist offices that will help you find a hotel and will call that hotel to book your reservation, sometimes at a discuont price. I regularly use hotels that charge $R60-$R80 per night, before tax. They are not luxurious, but they get the job done. At 10 nights, your cost will likely be in the $R700-$R900 range. At an exchange rate of 2.0, that is another $450 US; running total $1,200 US. That will leave $300 for food and entertainment over 10 days.
Colombia: I have been to Cartagena, Cali, and Santa Marta. I suggest Cartagena for both its history and the ladies. The airfare to Colombia will run between $300 and $500 depending on to which city and when you travel. I think my fare to Cartagena was $400 9 years ago. My fare to Cali 2 years ago was around $450. In Cartagena, I stayed in an apartment that was available for rent to tourists and other travelers or temporary residents. In the Colombia forum, I read that its has gone downhill in terms of repair and it is full of prostitutes who stay there when not working. It was considered as not very safe. I paid the equivalent of $35 a night there for 2 weeks.
In Cali, I stayed at a marriage agency so that price is not representative. In Santa Marta, I stayed at a higher star hotel with a lady friend; the rate was around $60 a night.
I hope this helps.
My suggestion for budget pussy travel is the Dominican Republic. Fares can be as low as $200 from Miami or JFK. The exchange rate is good for Americans. I hear the price for TLN is at most $80. A few hotels can be found for $40 a night. You might come back with change from a 10 day stay there.
[quote=george90]i hope this helps.
my suggestion for budget pussy travel is the dominican republic. fares can be as low as $200 from miami or jfk. the exchange rate is good for americans. i hear the price for tln is at most $80. a few hotels can be found for $40 a night. you might come back with change from a 10 day stay there.[/quote]
if you didn't help him, you helped me. after a year i'm finally leavin pacnorthwest area. been fuckin cold and bored up here. only saving grace has been my squaw that came to my teepee to hook me up. i hope to start contributing again and dr is on my radar..
Actually I haven't researched Columbia that deeply but I have Argentina and Brazil.
George -
Lowest fare I have been able to find on Kayak was actually under $600 for a brief moment late last month, but since my time off was unable to be finalized and we had a switch over in management come out of nowhere this past weekend, I was forced to not purchase that ticket as it wasn't refundable.
It was $707 on Mexicali to Sao Paulo and Curitiba. Yep you heard right, both locations! Well now its $1043 but I think that's because its close to Carnival, but I suspect it will go back down after Carnival.
So its possible to get to Brazil for less than $750 taxes and fees included.
In one model that would leave $500 for lodging, food and entertainment.
Using the same Hostel search engine I used while in Europe, I found a local low cost hotel which has double rooms available for $19.25US per day. All I need is a decent place to take a shower, to sleep and WiFi on site or within a short distance. The only problem is this hotel/hostel is off the beaten path somewhat but most sites and districts I would be interested in seeing are within reach by public transportation, which is close to the hotel (less than a block).
When I made my way to Curitiba for the race, I found the Accor owned Formula 1 hotel which goes for $35US a night and is girl-friendly. A local I met on another message board hooked me into the local scene which is important for Curitiba as its not frequented by many on this board just a few.
So all said about $170 for lodging. Food, well I don't know what the estimate would be but getting something cheap and filling is all I really need. While in Germany where I spent most of my time (otherwise I was with friends) eating Pizza, German Sausage, Micky D's and those Turkish Pita things (forgot what they were called) and didn't spend much more than $10-15Euro a day on food. I caught the Continental Breakfast most days, so I usually ate twice, maybe three times more in a day, wasn't that expensive.
Unlike my European trip, I can't overspend. I don't have overdraft protection on my debt card anymore, which cost me $2,500 in charges and fees when I returned back to the States. I also can't have $1,500 FedEx'ed to me like I did in Germany either... those days are over.
Given the exchange rate and there's no gringo price for food usually, I figure I can eat for much less than $25US a day.
As for GDP's in Brazil, Chicas in Columbia and Argentina -
I can do a Clinica and one short time GDP per day while in SP and for the three days in Curitiba, one GDP per day for two days, maybe two short time per evening, being their for two evenings total.
That should cost well under $300-350
In Argentina it would be roughly the same and so would Columbia.
Original plan was about 7 days, but I would extended it to 10 days if I could afford it.
I'm still crunching the numbers, at the very least my return trip home and lodging would be paid for in advance so if I have to back off getting laid to be able to eat, then that's okay.
Because I might have to push this back and miss the race, I would be willing to go later (maybe May) that way I could increase my budget to $1,000 for sex but really, do I need that much to bang at least two girls a day???
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
This trip has to be done for around $1200-1500US
I am trying to keep the cost of transportation and lodging total under $900. I plan on doing this staying mostly in low cost hotels or hostels. This would leave $300-$700 for "hobbies".
With the exchange rate, I have come up with three locations:
Brazil
Argentina
Columbia
I wanted to do 10 days in either location or about $100 a day.
Any input would be welcomed....[/QUOTE]
DJ-
With the budget you have presented here, I think it would be best to just forget even going to Brasil, Argentina, or Colombia. These countries are just too out of your budget to have a really good time. The airfare alone may end up eating half your budget! A couple of suggestions:
1. Check out some countries where the airfare is cheaper, a few that come to mind with good mongering are Ecuador, El Salvador and Nicaragua. You can easily get air tickets to all three places for under $500, sometime under even $300 from LAX to Central America. Check out the trip reports and photo galleries in these three threads and think about it.
2. I think you live in California? Why not just go to Mexico, either drive there or you can even take a bus if gas is too much. The pussy costs more there but think of all the money you will save on the arifare.
3. Just put off your trip until you have more money.
Going all the way to Brasil and then pinching pennies is not fun at all, trust me!
[QUOTE=Ezinho]DJ-
With the budget you have presented here, I think it would be best to just forget even going to Brasil, Argentina, or Colombia. These countries are just too out of your budget to have a really good time. The airfare alone may end up eating half your budget! A couple of suggestions:
1. Check out some countries where the airfare is cheaper, a few that come to mind with good mongering are Ecuador, El Salvador and Nicaragua. You can easily get air tickets to all three places for under $500, sometime under even $300 from LAX to Central America. Check out the trip reports and photo galleries in these three threads and think about it.
2. I think you live in California? Why not just go to Mexico, either drive there or you can even take a bus if gas is too much. The pussy costs more there but think of all the money you will save on the arifare.
3. Just put off your trip until you have more money.
Going all the way to Brasil and then pinching pennies is not fun at all, trust me![/QUOTE]
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I wouldn't be pinching pennies that much, some mongers are just thrifty...
I was considering waiting a bit and that's okay.
Funny you mention Mexico, I would have gone this week but my check was a bit smaller. Exchange rate is 13:1 now, makes it fairly affordable. I will be going next week to TJ for a primer..lol
If I push back my trip (which I might do anyway), I would have $1000 to spend on ladies, the trip itself would still be under $800 and cheap hostels and hotels go for less than $30 a day.
Having almost reached the end of my current contact at work, I've decided that before starting to look for a new job I shall take a well-earned rest; consequently I am planning to spend a month (or maybe six weeks) in Asia. With this in mind, I thought it might be an idea to ask you good people the following question. Imagine for a minute that you have 4-6 weeks to spend in Asia this summer. Where and how would you spend it?
If any of you guys have experience of taking a long break like this, and would care to offer any recommendations (or 'do's and don'ts'? ) which might help me to obtain maximum enjoyment during my 'dream' holiday, then it would be much appreciated. You can be as generic or as specific as you like with your advice. For example, you might simply recommend one entire country as being the 'best' place to go; alternatively you can say which particular city or town has 'the most beautiful girls in Asia' (if it's a secret you can PM me, I promise I won't tell anyone! ); or you can recommend an individual bar or a place to stay.
Just to give you a bit of background on my own situation and preferences: I am 50 years old and have been to Asia quite a lot already, but only ever for one or (occasionally) two weeks at a time. Usually I prefer the Philippines (Manila/Makati. I'm not crazy about Angeles though), but I have also been to Bangkok, Pattaya, Singapore and HK. I don't have any language skills in any of the Asian tongues (I. E. I speak English only), so I don't really want to go anywhere where nobody understands me. I will be budgeting around 5000 USD (excluding my flight to/from my initial destination), so that rules out any luxury hotels (except maybe for a couple of nights). I would like to have the best possible experience within this budget, in terms of spending my time with attractive and friendly girls, somewhere with a lively atmosphere (I am definitely not planning on going and staying with a girl in her village! ). I don't mind travelling to more than one destination but I am not envisaging any kind of 'grand tour'. Oh yes, the places where I stay should really have aircon, and there should of course be beer, and reasonable food.
Many thanks in anticipation, and if anybody is going to be hanging around ('up to no good') in Asia during June please let me know. Maybe we can meet up for a drink.
Seriously now. I am addicted to golf. Just started hitting high 80's. Not married an wanna travel for some good poon.
I have read a ton. Looks like Pattaya, maybe the PI (some notes said golf clubs were private).
What do you all think? An does anyone wanna go? I am early 40's an like to get squirrely hehe. I could swing more then one destination too. Have about 3 weeks of leave to make it happen.
[QUOTE=Bud Leeeeeeee]Seriously now. I am addicted to golf. Just started hitting high 80's. Not married an wanna travel for some good poon.
I have read a ton. Looks like Pattaya, maybe the PI (some notes said golf clubs were private).
What do you all think? An does anyone wanna go? I am early 40's an like to get squirrely hehe. I could swing more then one destination too. Have about 3 weeks of leave to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
Pattaya is good for both. Also try southern China but you willprobably need a local to show you the way first time.
PI golf is less developed but still good. Bali is not too bad for mongering but golf is good.
Where in EE can one have a reasonably priced GF6 experience? 60min. FK, OWO, various pos, COB or CIM 60-100 EUR, 100-150 CHF.
Information on boards vary greatly, cannot see a pattern of one country/city over the other? What am I missing?
Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne]Everybody talks about the financial crisis everywhere. And i tell you it will impact the pussycat market as well.
I think we will see a pussycat price deflation.
Personnally i saw the pussycat market crazy inflation at the same than the stockt market bubble after 2002. This inflation came with a kind of new arrogance behaviour from girls.
Lots of us, noticed last year, increasing price in Romania for instance, we posh arrogant behaviour.
No worries, everything will get back to reasonnable prices. You ll see at the beginning of 2009.[/QUOTE]
This is something I've been mulling over a while. I live in the US and have time for one decent mongering holiday per year, I've traveled to many of the mongering hotspots - South America, Thailand, Eastern Europe, South East Asia and am currently sitting in Tijuana. Lots of women, lots of fun.
But, what I find the hardest to do properly, is a really good threesome, foursome, or porn star experience (CIM, rimming, BBBJ etc). I have a vacation coming up and want to plan it around this, so am looking for advice on where to go.
At the moment, its probably a toss up between Rio and Philippines. Tijuana is too commercial, eastern Europe is more expensive and less of a destination holiday IMO, Thai ladies rarely like anal or threesomes in my experience etc. The girls in Rio are sexual beasts, and I loved my time there. The Philippines also has beautiful women who seem quite open to these things.
Looking forward to hearing your opinions
Batam Indonesia
Booking whole night 250,000 rupiah without commission.
About US$22
[QUOTE=Swiss Monger]Where in EE can one have a reasonably priced GF6 experience? 60min. FK, OWO, various pos, COB or CIM 60-100 EUR, 100-150 CHF.
Information on boards vary greatly, cannot see a pattern of one country/city over the other? What am I missing?
Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Sso far I have been to the following countries in eastern europe and central europe
Poland
Slovakia
Belarus
Bulgaria
Bosnia
Herzgovina
Croatia
Serbia
Cezch Republic, aew years ago
Hungary
Russia, again few years sgo.
And in sept I am going to Ukraine.
But I can tell you the best place and the most reasonable from every point of view, quality. Price would be poland poland and poland.
If you do not want to go to EE you can have what you want from all above countries except probably belarus, right here in london and in your price range just look it up on adultwork.com, photos prices everything.
Happy Mongering
Please help.
Looking for the best trip to plan. 5 days with a limited budget.
So with air travel, place to stay and mongering costs where to go to get the most action for the least coin.
45 year old white guy. Also looking for travel partner trip early October.
[QUOTE=Dodger1308]Please help.
Looking for the best trip to plan. 5 days with a limited budget.
So with air travel, place to stay and mongering costs where to go to get the most action for the least coin.
45 year old white guy. Also looking for travel partner trip early October.[/QUOTE]For first time traveler, safety, convenience, and value I'd go to Curacao. If you do not need luxury hotel and fancy restaurants, it should not be too expensive. Girls in Campo are $28/30min.
Other possible places with Colombian and Dominican girls - Panama, Costa Rica, St.Martin, Aruba, and DR(Dominican girl only), but girl prices are higher in those places.
The best would be some places in South America, but to save money you really need to know where you're going and the language.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne]Everybody talks about the financial crisis everywhere. And i tell you it will impact the pussycat market as well.
I think we will see a pussycat price deflation.
Personnally i saw the pussycat market crazy inflation at the same than the stockt market bubble after 2002. This inflation came with a kind of new arrogance behaviour from girls.
Lots of us, noticed last year, increasing price in Romania for instance, we posh arrogant behaviour.
No worries, everything will get back to reasonnable prices. You ll see at the beginning of 2009.[/QUOTE]You could see a bit of this in Tokyo of all places. The reverse exodus of expats going back home saw a few of the leading escort agencies (AM) make special deals.
While marrying Japanese has its problem (see [post]919274[/post] ). For short term fun Japan has a lot going for it - look for example at the report by Dire Wolf [post]749594[/post], many possibilities.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]For first time traveler, safety, convenience, and value I'd go to Curacao. If you do not need luxury hotel and fancy restaurants, it should not be too expensive. Girls in Campo are $28/30min.
Other possible places with Colombian and Dominican girls - Panama, Costa Rica, St.Martin, Aruba, and DR(Dominican girl only), but girl prices are higher in those places.
The best would be some places in South America, but to save money you really need to know where you're going and the language.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Flight will set me back about $600. Seems like a great deal. I don't need a luxury hotel, hope to be mongered out and only want to sleep and recharge, and don't need a fancy restaurant.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]For first time traveler, safety, convenience, and value I'd go to Curacao. If you do not need luxury hotel and fancy restaurants, it should not be too expensive. Girls in Campo are $28/30min.
Other possible places with Colombian and Dominican girls - Panama, Costa Rica, St.Martin, Aruba, and DR(Dominican girl only), but girl prices are higher in those places.
The best would be some places in South America, but to save money you really need to know where you're going and the language.[/QUOTE]In Medellin, Colombia, girls in casas are $15/30 minutes.. You don't even need to speak spanish. There are plenty of english speaking expats there that can take you on a tour.
Is there any place cheaper and comparable in price at the low end?
Can we start a list of the cheapest places for pussy? Please only post standard rates for ST onsite... not something you need to negotiate!
Equador - $6/15 minutes
Paraquay - $10/30 minutes
Colombia - $15/30 minutes
I've only been to Colombia on the list. I'm always looking for new places to go to!
[QUOTE=Hioctane]In Medellin, Colombia, girls in casas are $15/30 minutes.. You don't even need to speak spanish. There are plenty of english speaking expats there that can take you on a tour.
Is there any place cheaper and comparable in price at the low end?[/QUOTE]Yeas, of course casas are a good deal in case they have good looking chicas. But that was my point without the language and/or guide it's gonna be kinda weird there and could be dangerous. If one does not know some Spanish, then someone else must always accompany him, since no one around speaks English. While on the islands everybody speaks at least some or very good English.
In my opinion the ideal place to stay in Medellin for a few days would be the Medellin Mansion, but it's not gonna be too cheap. In order to have good time, you do not wanna save money there.
[QUOTE=Hioctane]Can we start a list of the cheapest places for pussy? Please only post standard rates for ST onsite... not something you need to negotiate!
Equador - $6/15 minutes
Paraquay - $10/30 minutes
Colombia - $15/30 minutes
I've only been to Colombia on the list. I'm always looking for new places to go to![/QUOTE]
And with the specific venue names as well for easy reference--
How about Vila Mimosa (~$14.50 for 20 min.) or BA 85 (~$9 for 15 min.) in Rio de Janeiro?
[QUOTE=Gfe Finder]And with the specific venue names as well for easy reference--[/QUOTE]In Colombia, it's pretty much all casas in El Centro.
Buenos Aires, Argentina one hour:
Corrientes 1125 #5A = $20.78 yew ess
Uruguay 343 primer piso = $25.97 one chica, $44.16 two chicas, $51.95 three chicas; can be seen at [url]www.gozanos.com.ar[/url]
Maipú 359 5th floor #74 (elevator #4) = $31.17
These are apartment-style privados; for a club experience try "Oro" for $33.77 yew ess la hora.
There are lower, half hour rates in all of these places. Uruguay 343 is $18.18 for half an hour. Oro has rates as short as twenty minutes but I don't know what the half hour rates are in most places cuz I ain't no "conejo."
[QUOTE=Hioctane]Can we start a list of the cheapest places for pussy? Please only post standard rates for ST onsite... not something you need to negotiate!
Equador - $6/15 minutes
Paraquay - $10/30 minutes
Colombia - $15/30 minutes
I've only been to Colombia on the list. I'm always looking for new places to go to![/QUOTE]India is much cheaper, 4 USD is enough for half an hour session.
[QUOTE=Xyz Abcd2008]India is much cheaper, 4 USD is enough for half an hour session.[/QUOTE]How about pointing the way? I am reading trip reports and the cheapest ST I've seen is 1000 INR (~$20) for 1 hour).
You can get it for $2 in Bogota but it will probably be with an absolute monster. At $15 there are actually some decent looking women. And there really isn't any reason to pay more than $30 or $35 here.
I want to emphasize the "not something you need to negotiate! " part when making your suggestion. I'm sure you can get cheap pussy from some drugged out street wh*re for $1.
I was looking for more brothel type places with fixed rates. Seems like there's plentiful in South America. Do they have these type of rates in Europe or Asia?
World Sex Worker Index as of October 1, 2009
Mexico
Tijuana ( 20 to 30 mins)
VivaMex or Aztec massage only 5 (60 minutes)
SW 6
Hk 18
AB 16
Luxor 24
Monterrey
SW quasi 7
China
Chang Ping
BBS 8
KTV 30 to 50
FS 20
India
Mumbai
Plain Massage 4
with HJ 5
FS 50
Peru
Lima
R&V 15
Equador SW 3
Paraquay SW 5
Cloumbia SW 7
PM changes or other locations index for the next update.
Enjoy your trips round the world.
S7
What is the best country for good soapy / body - to - body massage?
[QUOTE=Sam I Am]What is the best country for good soapy / body - to - body massage?[/QUOTE]
You mean a great massage with a happy ending or better + it being soapy?
I would say Asia is likely your best bet.
My buddy and I are gonna head south. Whats the best ... I have been all over the forums. Have traveled to Costa Rica(SJO) for a weekend and loved it and been to TJ plenty. Whats the best choice for stunners (8-10's with GFE)
MED- Med Mansion
RIO- Club Help
BA-
Costa Rica- Is everything from South America well represented at Marlin?
Where are the stunners to be had for MSOG for 2 hours/TDN at 100$ US.
We are both good lookn white guys with lil to NO spanish who just wanna get neck deep in some pussssssssssss.
[QUOTE=Sam I Am]What is the best country for good soapy / body - to - body massage?[/QUOTE]Not much experience but I had a great oily body to body massage in Budapest.
www.budapestmassage.com
About $80US
[QUOTE=Bud Leeeeeeee]My buddy and I are gonna head south. Whats the best ... I have been all over the forums. Have traveled to Costa Rica(SJO) for a weekend and loved it and been to TJ plenty. Whats the best choice for stunners (8-10's with GFE)
MED- Med Mansion
RIO- Club Help
BA-
Costa Rica- Is everything from South America well represented at Marlin?
Where are the stunners to be had for MSOG for 2 hours/TDN at 100$ US.
We are both good lookn white guys with lil to NO spanish who just wanna get neck deep in some pussssssssssss.[/QUOTE]Medellin Manson is a really good place to stay, but you wont meet much stunners there in my opinion. But you can go to Loutron and Fase II.
In RIO in some thermas you can meet real stunners, their attitude and performance are even better than colombianas.
Costa Rica is not in South America but there you will find Nicaraguans and Colombians in addition to Ticas (Costa Ricans). I have been to every Spanish-speaking country in South America and if I were going to go to one for say a week, and [b]all[/b] I cared about was mongering, I would go to Paraguay. Quantity, quality, price, and ease of use.
Most beautiful women in South America = Venezuela but otherwise that country sucks. Best food in South America = Perú if you know where to go. Fun city no one talks about = La Paz.
Ability to fuck rated by country:
1) Paraguay
2) Uruguay
3) Argentina
4) Chile
5) Perú
6) Venezuela
7) Colombia
8) Ecuador
9) Bolivia
[QUOTE=Dickhead] Fun city no one talks about = La Paz.
[/QUOTE]
Altitude might have alot to do with it. As far as I know La Paz has the best deals over it's sister city sucre.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I'd love to go to Bolivia but I dont know if just visiting the low lands is worth a trip.
I like Bolivia. With the altitude you get high without drugs, but just in case, there are plenty of drugs available. Go to Cochabamba, or Santa Cruz de la Sierra if you want lower altitude.
However Bolivian women are so short you can set your beer on their heads while they are blowing you. Whether or not that is an advantage kinda depends on your point of view. And also on how tall you are!
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I like Bolivia. With the altitude you get high without drugs, but just in case, there are plenty of drugs available. Go to Cochabamba, or Santa Cruz de la Sierra if you want lower altitude.
However Bolivian women are so short you can set your beer on their heads while they are blowing you. Whether or not that is an advantage kinda depends on your point of view. And also on how tall you are![/QUOTE]
What is the mongering like in cochabamba ? From what I've read here on isg sucre is around $50 for an escort to your hotel. Little is known about local dives/brothels in sucre. Would you know if a chongo scene exists in either place ?
Thanks
I haven't been to Sucre but they aren't sister cities. No tienen nada que ver. They are 400 km or more apart as the crow flies and Sucre is around 1000 meters lower. Bolivia has two capitals and Sucre houses I think it's the Supreme Court but it is a much smaller town. La Paz is a trip.
There are chongos in both Cochabamba and in Santa Cruz, quite a few actually, but it's been five years since I've been there. Santa Cruz is easier to figure out for the one-time visitor.
I'm headed to Asia with a buddy of mine - last time we traveled together it was to Rio, and it was a hell of a time! We're in our 30's and looking for ST, GFE as well as as many hairbrained, crazy experiences we can get ourselves into. I've been to Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, HK and a few other places in Asia, but thought I'd seek some advice on where to go.
Where do you think we can engineer the wildest time with lots of girls?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Costa Rica is not in South America but there you will find Nicaraguans and Colombians in addition to Ticas (Costa Ricans). I have been to every Spanish-speaking country in South America and if I were going to go to one for say a week, and [b]all[/b] I cared about was mongering, I would go to Paraguay. Quantity, quality, price, and ease of use.
Most beautiful women in South America = Venezuela but otherwise that country sucks. Best food in South America = Perú if you know where to go. Fun city no one talks about = La Paz.
Ability to fuck rated by country:
1) Paraguay
2) Uruguay
3) Argentina
4) Chile
5) Perú
6) Venezuela
7) Colombia
8) Ecuador
9) Bolivia[/QUOTE]
Where's Brazil on that list??? You have seem to leave that out, is that on purpose? From what I have seen strictly pictures from the internet including here on ISG, its not hit and miss, but not much middle ground. Since there is constant bitchin about posting facial shots, its hard to tell who's attractive and who's not.
But you seem to be the only regular on ISG that doesn't rank Brazil in the Top 9, you only listed 9, so Brazil is 10th?
I'm working on where I wanna go and I hope I can hold on to my tax return as that's where my main funding for this trip will come from.
Also why is Colombia so far down?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Where's Brazil on that list??? You have seem to leave that out, is that on purpose? From what I have seen strictly pictures from the internet including here on ISG, its not hit and miss, but not much middle ground. Since there is constant bitchin about posting facial shots, its hard to tell who's attractive and who's not.
But you seem to be the only regular on ISG that doesn't rank Brazil in the Top 9, you only listed 9, so Brazil is 10th?
I'm working on where I wanna go and I hope I can hold on to my tax return as that's where my main funding for this trip will come from.
Also why is Colombia so far down?[/QUOTE]It really depends on the personal taste, experience, particular girls, language, etc.
The order of the countries is not too important, just go somewhere.
First I'd go to the closest and easiest place such as CostaRica, Panama or Curacao, so you don't miss any action if the trip is short, and no language problems except talking to girls.
Or RIO could be a good place - from my limited Rio experience therma girls on average are much better than Colombianas when it comes to sex.
I said I have been to every [b]Spanish-speaking[/b] country in South America. They do not speak Spanish in Brazil and I can't understand a damn thing so I haven't mongered there, just enjoyed the Amazon. Never been to any of the cities in Brazil. They speak [b]Portuguese[/b] in Brazil. I can pretty much read it but I can't understand it to save my life. I have fucked enough Brazilians to concur they know how to fuck but not enough to really rate them. Maybe between Argentina and Chile.
I am sure that Brazil is the best Portuguese-speaking country in South America, though, since it's the only one. There are four countries in South America where Spanish is not the primary language as you also have Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana. I have not been to any of those places. So really when I say, "Best food in South America" I mean "best food in Spanish-speaking Latin America." I should have made that more clear.
As to Colombia, you have to remember that the competition is very tough. Being #7 on the list of best fucks in (Spanish speaking) Latin America is really quite an achievement. Having said that, while Colombianas would probably rank #2 or #3 on looks, they are not as good in bed as some other countries' chicas are. Again, this is not to say they aren't good. They are very good. Just not as good as Peruanas, who are not quite as good as Paraguayas. You have to love a country like Paraguay where their two main exports are marijuana and hookers. Fortunately the quality of the hookers is way better than the quality of the marijuana, which sucks.
Having said this about Colombia, my experience is with the highlands and maybe the coastal chicas are hotter. That could be true for Ecuador as well.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]As to Colombia, you have to remember that the competition is very tough. Being #7 on the list of best fucks in (Spanish speaking) Latin America is really quite an achievement. Having said that, while Colombianas would probably rank #2 or #3 on looks, they are not as good in bed as some other countries' chicas are. Again, this is not to say they aren't good. They are very good. Just not as good as Peruanas, who are not quite as good as Paraguayas. You have to love a country like Paraguay where their two main exports are marijuana and hookers. Fortunately the quality of the hookers is way better than the quality of the marijuana, which sucks.
Having said this about Colombia, my experience is with the highlands and maybe the coastal chicas are hotter. That could be true for Ecuador as well.[/QUOTE]
Well I did noticed you only mentioned Spanish speaking countries, I should have known.
Thanks for the clarification.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I said I have been to every [b]Spanish-speaking[/b] country in South America. They do not speak Spanish in Brazil and I can't understand a damn thing so I haven't mongered there, just enjoyed the Amazon.[/QUOTE]Yeah, its difficult to understand them, but they can understand Spanish. With my relatively fucked up Spanish I did not have much problems there. Also after a few days you start picking up some Portugese. The girls are much more open minded in sex then Colombianas. In one week I had about 10 girls in thermas Luomo & Montecarlo and one from the beach. At least 5 of them we fantastic, some of the best fucks ever, and the rest were good at least. In Colombia it takes to go through 10 or more girls to find something similar in looks and attitude in sex.
I personally found Colombian women on par with people anywhere else in Latin America for ability to fuck....
Let me open the debate on the best countries to visit in Europe.
For me, the clear winners are: Germany, Spain, and Czech Republic. These are countries that you would go out of your way to visit for the purpose of mongering.
Countries which have reasonable mongering possibilities, but are not worthy of a special visit include: Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands, Portugal, Hungary, Poland, the Baltic States, Ukraine, and Russia.
Countries which are best avoided from a mongering perspective are France, Italy, the Scandinavian countries, Ireland, the UK, Belgium, Italy, Greece, and Turkey.
I wonder if people agree with me.
The European League table
PREMIER LEAGUE - of international standing
1) Germany
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain
DIVISION TWO - good by European standards, but not in comparison with many places outside Europe
1) Switzerland
2) Austria
3) Ukraine
4) Netherlands
5) Belgium
6) Portugal
7) Bulgaria
8) Russia
9) Hungary
10) Luxembourg
DIVISION THREE - Mediocre destinations; keep expectations low
1) Slovakia
2) Poland
3) Turkey
4) Romania
5) France
6) Italy
7) Latvia
8) Estonia
9) Lithuania
10) Cyprus
11) Greece
12) Finland
13) Denmark
14) United Kingdom
DIVISION FOUR - mongering deserts. Avoid.
1) Sweden
2) Norway
3) Ireland
4) Croatia
5) Bosnia and Herzogovina
6) Iceland
7) Belarus
8) Serbia
9) Albania
[QUOTE=Pg Wodehouse96]The European League table
PREMIER LEAGUE - of international standing
1) Germany
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain
DIVISION TWO - good by European standards, but not in comparison with many places outside Europe
1) Switzerland
2) Austria
3) Ukraine[/QUOTE]
First, Plum, it is nice to see a nick of such refinement and culture...
Second, how the fuck does Switzerland rate #1 in your second division??
I have just been there a couple of times, but other than over-price strip clubs and SW I don't see much action!
Please prove me wrong - I am heading for Geneva in a few weeks and would LOVE to know how to bring some warmth into those cold helvetic nights!!
[QUOTE=Hioctane]Can we start a list of the cheapest places for pussy? Please only post standard rates for ST onsite... not something you need to negotiate!
Equador - $6/15 minutes
Paraquay - $10/30 minutes
Colombia - $15/30 minutes
I've only been to Colombia on the list. I'm always looking for new places to go to![/QUOTE]
Peru - $7/till u cum
[QUOTE=Lima Busy]Peru - $7/till u cum[/QUOTE]
$5 at "el boite" next to the trocadero.
China -$4.39 USD (30 RMB)/ You cum game over!
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]First, Plum, it is nice to see a nick of such refinement and culture...
Second, how the fuck does Switzerland rate #1 in your second division??
I have just been there a couple of times, but other than over-price strip clubs and SW I don't see much action!
Please prove me wrong - I am heading for Geneva in a few weeks and would LOVE to know how to bring some warmth into those cold helvetic nights!![/QUOTE]Geneva is a waste of time when it comes to mongering - unless one is happy to remain in expensive champagne hostess clubs. In this respect, it takes its lead from France.
No, the relatively high ranking of Switzerland in the league table is based on what's available in Zurich. Zurich offers the possibility of a great night out.
For a cheaper experience with the ladies of Brazil, hang out in the bars around the Langsstrasse (particulalrly the Sonne bar). For something more upmarket, go to Saphir, Club Aphrodisia, or Club Life.
And even though it's extortionate, you can't beat a night with the creme-de-la-creme of Russian womanhood in Kings Club.
Zurich is a good destination. Everything is safe, clean and well organised (as you would expect). It just requires a little more insider knowledge than the more obvious destinations.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]$5 at "el boite" next to the trocadero.[/QUOTE]
$5.25 at todays rate!
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]First, Plum, it is nice to see a nick of such refinement and culture...
Second, how the fuck does Switzerland rate #1 in your second division??
I have just been there a couple of times, but other than over-price strip clubs and SW I don't see much action!
Please prove me wrong - I am heading for Geneva in a few weeks and would LOVE to know how to bring some warmth into those cold helvetic nights!![/QUOTE]
I would like to know as well, just in case...
The Scandinavian countries are horrible for mongering (P4P) but much better places for "freebies" if you have the looks, uniqueness or skillz. Not to take on one members line of thinking but having witness it myself, there's nothing negative about being African-American in Scandinavia... I stress the "American" part because Africans do face some "issues" in Western Europe and I don't look African at all, though I'm 80% Black (Chinese and Indian).
Just from reading the forum I can also agree with your divisions and feel Germany getting higher marks than The Netherlands is totally justified. FKK's are a god send, I wish they were in Mexico where I have been hanging out lately and GFE is a rare creature seemingly only available to actual boyfriends or Gringos that are almost fluent Spanish speakers.
Okay, but how do some of these women look fellas?
Colombia, okay some hot ones, some less so.
Peru? I suppose judging only by internet pictures would be okay as well.
China? I assume we're not talking about Hong Kong?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] there's nothing negative about being African-American in Scandinavia. I stress the "American" part because Africans do face some "issues" in Western Europe and I don't look African at all, though I'm 80% Black[/QUOTE]Help me here becasue I don't quite get it. Are there African Canadians? What about African Jamaicans, or African Colombians, or African Germans. What about African Africans?
I think the correct terminology is American of African decent.
[QUOTE=Max Mojo]Help me here becasue I don't quite get it. Are there African Canadians? What about African Jamaicans, or African Colombians, or African Germans. What about African Africans?
I think the correct terminology is American of African decent.[/QUOTE]Just as an FYI, don't nitpick other people's use of terminology unless you're going to get it right yourself.
First, it's de[b]s[/b]cent, not decent. Second, African-American is a term that's been in use for decades now, and yes, the term could just as easily be applied to other countries as well, so someone who says they are a African-German can be construed as being a German of African descent. The whole idea behind the term African-American is to make conversations more fluid so that you don't have to say things the long way every time.
Whether you like it or not, terms like African-American are part of the English language. Please spend less time complaining about terms you obviously understand.
[QUOTE=Max Mojo]Help me here becasue I don't quite get it. Are there African Canadians? What about African Jamaicans, or African Colombians, or African Germans. What about African Africans?
I think the correct terminology is American of African decent.[/QUOTE]
Logically, it IS American of African descent, American of European descent, American of Asian decent, American of native descent, Canadian of African descent, etc. But logic is NOT part of the PC nomenclature. So we have African-Americans, African-Canadians, African-Europeans, and African-Africans.
Just my $0.02. YMMV.
If enough people travel and monger enough and shoot a lot of loads "Raw Dog" then in two generations everyone will be a nice mocha color and we can forget about all this shit.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]If enough people travel and monger enough and shoot a lot of loads "Raw Dog" then in two generations everyone will be a nice mocha color and we can forget about all this shit.[/QUOTE]
Dickhead,
You just found the formula for world peace. I'll nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.
[QUOTE=Max Mojo]Help me here becasue I don't quite get it. Are there African Canadians? What about African Jamaicans, or African Colombians, or African Germans. What about African Africans?
I think the correct terminology is American of African decent.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually just a plain ol'e American, African-American is a PC creation because calling people "Negro" was too close to calling people "Nigga" make sense?
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Dickhead,
You just found the formula for world peace. I'll nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.[/QUOTE]
Certainly more deserving than Obama at this point.
Make Love not War as the saying goes...
George is right and I said as much in my post below, but it bares repeating, its Political Correctness, Neo Liberal created nonsense.
I love oriental women and for the last couple of years while in Canada have mostly seen Asian SP's and high mileage MPA"s.
I am going to have a few months off this winter and am considering a trip to somewhere in Asia where I can get my fill (after spending some time in Mexico and Central America).
I am looking at Indonesia, Philipines, Thailand or maybe China.
I lived in Thailand for a year and Thai women are great, I love their femininity and softness. But Thailand itself and the whole P4P scene is a bit over the top. Pataya was too much, really.
So I'm looking for some opinions.
Indonesia and the women sound intriguing, as well as affordable. Jakarata itself though sounds llike a hole.
China doesn't look to be all that cheap in comparison to the others.
Philipines I am not sure about
Any ideas? All coments welcome.
Thanks
I live in central mexico now, not exactly a place for good mongering.
Guadalajara has a few places but most chicks have been eating too many taco's and drink huge amounts of coca cola, el gorda's.
I have been many times to Thailand and do not ever want to go back, burned out on the Thai madness.
I'm wanting get away for a month and not sure where to go yet,
I'm wanting a place that is on or near good beachs, good food, a bit of nightlife. I, m older so don't need the Pattaya scene of insane clubs and music.
I'd like to be able to find a nice figured girl and go back to a beach bungalow or very private quite hotel and st her or keep her a while depending on her attitude.
Am thinking Phillipines and also Colombia/paraguay/Rio?
Any suggestions are very welcomed.
VD
[QUOTE=Pg Wodehouse96]The European League table
PREMIER LEAGUE. Of international standing
1) Germany
2) Czech Republic
3) Spain[/QUOTE]Why is Spain so high on this list? I was looking at the Barcelona thread and it sounds like with the Riviera now shut down the place is not that great. Why did you put it so high on your list?
[QUOTE=Vandaddio]
Am thinking Phillipines and also Colombia/paraguay/Rio?
Any suggestions are very welcomed.
VD[/QUOTE]
News flash: Paraguay is a [b]land-locked country[/b] which tends to limit the beach scene. Suggest Viña del Mar in Chile. Nice and laid back. More hotels than cabañas or bungalows though. For more of a funky cabaña or bungalow type of scene suggest La Serena, also in Chile.
Thanks Dickhead for you info.
Your info is always respected and well recieved.
I have sent you a PM however I thought it best to put the questions and answers in the open as this is the object of this fine board.
Best of the Holliday Season to you and all the lovely ladies around you.
VD
[QUOTE=Vandaddio]I live in central mexico now, not exactly a place for good mongering.
Guadalajara has a few places but most chicks have been eating too many taco's and drink huge amounts of coca cola, el gorda's.
I have been many times to Thailand and do not ever want to go back, burned out on the Thai madness.
I'm wanting get away for a month and not sure where to go yet,
I'm wanting a place that is on or near good beachs, good food, a bit of nightlife. I, m older so don't need the Pattaya scene of insane clubs and music.
I'd like to be able to find a nice figured girl and go back to a beach bungalow or very private quite hotel and st her or keep her a while depending on her attitude.
Am thinking Phillipines and also Colombia/paraguay/Rio?
Any suggestions are very welcomed.
VD[/QUOTE]If you are thinking Colombia, the most touristy beaches areas would be Cartagena and Santa Marta. In Cartagena you will be approached frequently by all sort of vendors. Im just stating this in case you dont like that. Good night life and mongering clubs. You will always have San Andres but that is more for the traveling fun of it.
While most of you guys are disgusted by the mere suggestion. I was wondering what country would have the best available fat (size 16+) white girls as working girls. I'm mean legally. Not the US (and I'm guessing many people will suggest that) as I want somewhere where its legal and theres no paranoia surrounding the whole sex industry.
At the moment I'm thinking UK as they are actually organised (with adultwork and other sites), but does any other country cater for this in some organised fashion (ie. Dedicated fat brothel, etc). Other place I was thinking would be Germany. Theres always nice curvy girls there. Maybe even Brazil.
Can anyone any shed light on this?
[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger]While most of you guys are disgusted by the mere suggestion. I was wondering what country would have the best available fat (size 16+) white girls as working girls. I'm mean legally. Not the US (and I'm guessing many people will suggest that) as I want somewhere where its legal and theres no paranoia surrounding the whole sex industry.
At the moment I'm thinking UK as they are actually organised (with adultwork and other sites), but does any other country cater for this in some organised fashion (ie. Dedicated fat brothel, etc). Other place I was thinking would be Germany. Theres always nice curvy girls there. Maybe even Brazil.
Can anyone any shed light on this?[/QUOTE] Not that I know of, but I'm sure you can find chubby providers anywhere as an escort. Not aware of any brothel's with chubby delights, though I know in Germany you can find that sort of thing, cause I have seen it.
[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger]While most of you guys are disgusted by the mere suggestion. I was wondering what country would have the best available fat (size 16+) white girls as working girls. I'm mean legally. Not the US (and I'm guessing many people will suggest that) as I want somewhere where its legal and theres no paranoia surrounding the whole sex industry.
At the moment I'm thinking UK as they are actually organised (with adultwork and other sites), but does any other country cater for this in some organised fashion (ie. Dedicated fat brothel, etc). Other place I was thinking would be Germany. Theres always nice curvy girls there. Maybe even Brazil.
Can anyone any shed light on this?[/QUOTE]Vancouver has a amazing hooker scene , it is almost legal and no hazzle, and prices are very good.
get a local paper such as Georgia Straight and there are hundreds of gals in there. It is easier and faster than ordering a pizza, with any size or topping.
alright everyone, i'm just looking for an update here. I'm getting ready for 3 months in Europe, South america, Asia and about 1-2 months in Australia. I'll be visiting 12 countries in Europe. I'll list the other areas later. I'm just wondering what are the best countries I should visit to have the most 'free' sex as far as Europe is concerned. i'm 24 and black. you can correct me but so far I have worked out a couple of countries that I have heard are essentials:
Europe -> Germany, Switzerland (interlacken area), Greece, Spain (Ibiza), France (Cap d'agde), Czech Republic (Prague), UK (london),
i'll go over the other areas after I finalize the europe section.
Report back on your OB looks and charm around the world.
Remember to have fun and share the love.
[QUOTE=Laylow3]alright everyone, i'm just looking for an update here. I'm getting ready for 3 months in Europe, South america, Asia and about 1-2 months in Australia. I'll be visiting 12 countries in Europe. I'll list the other areas later. I'm just wondering what are the best countries I should visit to have the most 'free' sex as far as Europe is concerned. i'm 24 and black. you can correct me but so far I have worked out a couple of countries that I have heard are essentials:
Europe -> Germany, Switzerland (interlacken area), Greece, Spain (Ibiza), France (Cap d'agde), Czech Republic (Prague), UK (london),
i'll go over the other areas after I finalize the europe section.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vandaddio]I live in central mexico now, not exactly a place for good mongering.
Guadalajara has a few places but most chicks have been eating too many taco's and drink huge amounts of coca cola, el gorda's.
I have been many times to Thailand and do not ever want to go back, burned out on the Thai madness.
I'm wanting get away for a month and not sure where to go yet,
I'm wanting a place that is on or near good beachs, good food, a bit of nightlife. I, m older so don't need the Pattaya scene of insane clubs and music.
I'd like to be able to find a nice figured girl and go back to a beach bungalow or very private quite hotel and st her or keep her a while depending on her attitude.
Am thinking Phillipines and also Colombia/paraguay/Rio?
Any suggestions are very welcomed.
VD[/QUOTE]
Africa, my boy, Africa.
Ghana, specifically. Beaches from Accra (kind of gross, though) to the far west of the country (beautiful) and every woman a potentially available semi-pro.
Glorious.
I'm not sure why you would recommend Africa as a mongering destination. Doesn't like 80% of the population have HIV/AIDs? Why on earth would you go there specifically looking for sex?? Death sentence....
[QUOTE=Laylow3]I'm not sure why you would recommend Africa as a mongering destination. Doesn't like 80% of the population have HIV/AIDs? Why on earth would you go there specifically looking for sex?? Death sentence....[/QUOTE]
...is everywhere.
High rates in SE Asia, Brazil...and Africa.
Where you monger is largely irrelevant, in my opinion, with respect to the incidence of HIV among sex workers. Epidemiologic data bear this out.
HIV should always be assumed. Which is the reason condoms should be worn.
[QUOTE=Satyr9]...is everywhere.
High rates in SE Asia, Brazil...and Africa.
Where you monger is largely irrelevant, in my opinion, with respect to the incidence of HIV among sex workers. Epidemiologic data bear this out.
HIV should always be assumed. Which is the reason condoms should be worn.[/QUOTE]
Brazil does NOT have a high prevalence of HIV. It has had one of the world's best HIV/AIDS knowledge campaigns and one of the highest rates of free condoms for 15 years. The result is the HIV prevalence and incidence in 2007 is one of the world's lowest.
[QUOTE=George90]Brazil does NOT have a high prevalence of HIV. It has had one of the world's best HIV/AIDS knowledge campaigns and one of the highest rates of free condoms for 15 years. The result is the HIV prevalence and incidence in 2007 is one of the world's lowest.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of Oktoberfest in Blumenau, 2006. I was one of the tourists crowded along the route for the evening parade. Maybe 1/2 hour ahead of the parade, a group of pretty "Mädchen" (meninas in traditional German outfits) passed along the route handing out paper fans; they were printed by a major pharmacy, and on the back of each fan was an ad for Vitamin V under a taped-on condom.
Got to admire Brazil. A very civilized nation.
The problem, in my experience isn't finding them, its avoiding them! The Georgia Straight strategy below works well (you can see these online at [url]http://www.straight.com/classifieds/Adult[/url]). The other strategy that works here in Vancouver (and I'm guessing elsewhere) is to search the Craigslist adult (called erotic still in some regional Craigslists ) personals for BBW or Big Beautiful Women. So searching [url]http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/ers/[/url] with BBW throws up lots of them. So best of luck with this and if you come across thin ones who are good, throw them our way. Cheers
[QUOTE=Vandaddio]Vancouver has a amazing hooker scene , it is almost legal and no hazzle, and prices are very good.
get a local paper such as Georgia Straight and there are hundreds of gals in there. It is easier and faster than ordering a pizza, with any size or topping.[/QUOTE]
And if anyone else like me doesn't know what a size 16 looks like, the following should help. I now know I like size 8 or less. Hey, you learn something everyday... cheers
[url]http://jkc2009.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ideal-women-sizes1.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=DownUnderMonger]While most of you guys are disgusted by the mere suggestion. I was wondering what country would have the best available fat (size 16+) white girls as working girls. I'm mean legally. Not the US (and I'm guessing many people will suggest that) as I want somewhere where its legal and theres no paranoia surrounding the whole sex industry.
At the moment I'm thinking UK as they are actually organised (with adultwork and other sites), but does any other country cater for this in some organised fashion (ie. Dedicated fat brothel, etc). Other place I was thinking would be Germany. Theres always nice curvy girls there. Maybe even Brazil.
Can anyone any shed light on this?[/QUOTE]
Hi Gents,
I'm totally new to the forum. I've been reading through lots of reports and discussions, and I have read the "abbreviations" section- man there a lot of abbreviations in this "hobby"!
So to the point- what is the meaning of STR versus LTR? I looked on the abbreviations and all it says is LTR = Long Term Relationship and STR = Short Term Relationship.
Is STR a "quickie" and LTR "all night", or is STR once and LTR a repeat customer (or spending several days with the same woman)?
Crudely, STR is 1-2 (or less) hours and LTR is all night or longer. Now, other may place the dividing line in a different place, but short and long is the essence of it.
The terms and abbreviations list, below, might help:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897[/url]
And welcome to an enjoyable hobby
[QUOTE=Carlusa]Hi Gents,
I'm totally new to the forum. I've been reading through lots of reports and discussions, and I have read the "abbreviations" section- man there a lot of abbreviations in this "hobby"!
So to the point- what is the meaning of STR versus LTR? I looked on the abbreviations and all it says is LTR = Long Term Relationship and STR = Short Term Relationship.
Is STR a "quickie" and LTR "all night", or is STR once and LTR a repeat customer (or spending several days with the same woman)?[/QUOTE]
I'd like to experience both the women and the sights of a place. I would like to find a nice looking woman with a good personality to act as tour guide and GF for a couple/few days. Maybe pay half up front and half when it is all over. Maybe an amateur?
Opinions on which countries would be best for this? I like warm weather and lighter skinned women with dark hair.
How would you go about looking for such an arrangement?
[QUOTE=Engjoe]Crudely, STR is 1-2 (or less) hours and LTR is all night or longer. Now, other may place the dividing line in a different place, but short and long is the essence of it.[/QUOTE]
Sure there are different ways to define short-term and long-term, but the key word is "relationship" which is not measured in hours or dollars.
A quick bedroom romp is not a relationship. It is probably a commercial transaction or maybe NSA fun. "No Strings Attached" explicitly disqualifies it as a relationship. A relationship is more complex and involved than just sex.
My definition (and what I see supported in many of the posts) of a "Short Term Relationship" is a couple of days, or one visit. You chat the girl up on internet, or meet her in a bar, date, do dinner, eventually bed her and see her again and again during the same trip. But maybe with no particular expectation that you will keep in touch or see her again afterwards.
Whereas a "Long Term Relationship" implies at least a series of meetings, maybe over several trips, and the idea that you will see each other again, and probably stay in touch in between. Possibily leading to mistress or wifey-like relationships.
Now some guys see some of the same girls on repeat visits, over a long period of time, but I am not sure I would call that an LTR, because if there is no real commitment to do so, then it is not really a relationship. Just a useful contact list for booty calls.
IMHO, outside of the price difference, there can be some great opportunities in the USA.
This statement can vary greatly depending on where you are, but I live in LA most of the year and find such a huge selection of women to choose from that it is hard to beat. NY and SF also offer good opprtunities.
I have great luck using [url]www.theeroticreview.com[/url] in the US. I also use [url]www.humaniplex.com[/url] but getting used to the site and getting rated can be a bit if a hassle.
I have also found some gems in soem far outback places such as Birmingham, and St. Louis. But pickings can be slimmer.
One thing in the US that can be a bummer is the rip off atrists. That is why I ALWAYS use a rating service, and if I cannot or if I have to use [url]www.craigslist.com[/url] I am very careful and walk away from anything that smells suspecious.
While it is not legal, LE does not seem to be a factor.
I guess what I like is that being the great melting pot that it is, if the city is big enough, you can get what you want....Russian, Thai, black....whatever you want.
$$ can be expensive but options make up for it.
I also reccomend getting on the e-mail lists of some of the agencies that ave traveling girls. [url]www.my-secret-club.com[/url] and [url]www.apresvous.com[/url] are two of my favorites.
And finally a plug for my ATF: [url]http://los-angeles-escorts.********.com/escorts/list/116845.htm[/url]
I have been seeing her for 4 years on and off and I cannto say enough for this girl. Take care of her! She is in LA.
Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Sure there are different ways to define short-term and long-term, but the key word is "relationship" which is not measured in hours or dollars.
A quick bedroom romp is not a relationship. It is probably a commercial transaction or maybe NSA fun. "No Strings Attached" explicitly disqualifies it as a relationship. A relationship is more complex and involved than just sex.
My definition (and what I see supported in many of the posts) of a "Short Term Relationship" is a couple of days, or one visit. You chat the girl up on internet, or meet her in a bar, date, do dinner, eventually bed her and see her again and again during the same trip. But maybe with no particular expectation that you will keep in touch or see her again afterwards.
Whereas a "Long Term Relationship" implies at least a series of meetings, maybe over several trips, and the idea that you will see each other again, and probably stay in touch in between. Possibily leading to mistress or wifey-like relationships.
Now some guys see some of the same girls on repeat visits, over a long period of time, but I am not sure I would call that an LTR, because if there is no real commitment to do so, then it is not really a relationship. Just a useful contact list for booty calls.[/QUOTE]Good definitions, GT. As for committment, seems that relationships are more mental whereas P4P is more physical. So, the committment relies on two different things to keep the "relationship" afloat. That's why we care about others and not care to post pics of our P4P or freebie conquests, since there's little mental committment/appreciation there after the deed is done.
Hey folks. Any opinions on the best countries in Africa to hit? I haven't been there but plan to go soon.
[QUOTE=Sirnoir]IMHO, outside of the price difference, there can be some great opportunities in the USA.
This statement can vary greatly depending on where you are, but I live in LA most of the year and find such a huge selection of women to choose from that it is hard to beat. NY and SF also offer good opprtunities.
I have great luck using [url]www.theeroticreview.com[/url] in the US. I also use [url]www.humaniplex.com[/url] but getting used to the site and getting rated can be a bit if a hassle.
I have also found some gems in soem far outback places such as Birmingham, and St. Louis. But pickings can be slimmer.
One thing in the US that can be a bummer is the rip off atrists. That is why I ALWAYS use a rating service, and if I cannot or if I have to use [url]www.craigslist.com[/url] I am very careful and walk away from anything that smells suspecious.
While it is not legal, LE does not seem to be a factor.
I guess what I like is that being the great melting pot that it is, if the city is big enough, you can get what you want....Russian, Thai, black....whatever you want.
$$ can be expensive but options make up for it.
I also reccomend getting on the e-mail lists of some of the agencies that ave traveling girls. [url]www.my-secret-club.com[/url] and [url]www.apresvous.com[/url] are two of my favorites.
And finally a plug for my ATF: [url]http://los-angeles-escorts.********.com/escorts/list/116845.htm[/url]
I have been seeing her for 4 years on and off and I cannto say enough for this girl. Take care of her! She is in LA.
Happy hunting![/QUOTE]
Okay I'll bite -
How much have you spent on a typical evening/daytime whatever...?
If I eliminate all the nonsense and strip it down to just mongering -
$300 in Germany, one visit
$400-$450 in TJ, five times
$150 one provider South Gate area
Value? Hard to beat TJ, $25-$60 a shot. Only thing is never more than 30-45 mins and one shot on goal or they start asking for more money.
IMHO nothing beats a ltr, yeah it cost more but its broken down over a much longer period of time and there isn't much luck involved -
“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” - Seneca
Guys,
I'm starting to look into where to go for my next long-term (3-4 months) mongering trip. I'm doing some research on different countries here on the ISG and there seems to be a recurring theme that keeps popping up in many different threads; I keep reading statements such as "_________ is dead as a mongering destination" or "________ isn't what it used to be" or my favorite _________ has changed for the worst". Reading over these threads is making me think that something is going on out there that is affecting mongering scenes all over the world. I'm not sure what exactly is going on to cause this, though. Lets take a look at some examples I've been thinking about. These are countries I've both been to and haven't yet visited:
1. Brasil: Help disco was shut down, prices are way, way up compared to just 7-8 years ago, and guys are writing about getting covered BJs now. Sounds like the officials cracked down on mongering in Fortaleza.
2. Singapore: Had a fantastic street scene just two years ago, the police there have arrested and deported the girls working the streets. Service in the legal houses can often be a sterile experience, with everything covered. Expensive, too.
3. The Philippines: A fine destination if you're looking for a GF or a wife, but as a point and click mongering destination, it's not that good. Scams abound, trike drivers are assholes, and general fourth-world infrastructure add to the problems.
4. Mexico: Probably was a good mongering destination 50 years ago, but now too many gringos and too much violence. Prices can be expensive too, unless you only bang street girls. Mexico City is super expensive.
5. South Korea: Where I am now. Like Mexico, this place was a mognering paradise many years ago (so I've heard) but now it's not good at all. Way, way too expensve, and xenephobic chicks that can't take dick bigger than 3 inches.
6. Costa Rica: I haven't been here, but it sounds terrible. $100 for ST?? Overrun with gringos like Mexico I guess.
7. Cambodia: Haven't been here either, but from reading the board I guess the NGOs have taken over the country. That will kill any mongering scene.
8. Thailand: I was going to go here a few weeks ago, I had my ticket, condoms, lube, hard-on, everything was packed and ready to go. Then it happend. A fucking civil war breaks out in Bangkok. Decided to cancel. No idea if this will change the scene there.
So, what do you guys think. Does anyone have any ideas what is going on out there; what's causing all this. Or am I just being paranoid?
I was gonna comment on this one way, but decided against it exactly because of what I'm about to say....
I myself have totally changed my style of posting... I used to be one of those 'excellent' posters who gave detailed information with addresses and phone numbers and everything... I stopped doing that long ago, why, because many of the LURKERS who are one here among others, take this information and fuck everybody else's shit up....
I life and work in Colombia, I make the local currency and I'm in the trenches with the broke-ass locals here. People come down here and totally fuck up the market with their stupidity, often paying triple or quadruple. I've seen prices on the cheaper hotels and motels SOAR, now if i wanna have a party with a few friends at my preferred spot I have to pay more than double. Even the taxis are getting more and more greedy, always trying to get an extra 1000 or 2000 pesos out of some stupid cheap 10 minute fare. People who read this forum are not 100% of the problem but they are a much bigger part of it than one would think at first.
That's not the only class of stupid behavior people on here engage in on a regular basis. People ratting out this site to WGs who then find their photo on here, fighting over girls' affections like as if they were in junior high, using the site to STALK and BLACKMAIL WGs (I am a PERSONAL witness to this digsuting behavior on more than one occasion), the list could go on. In short, giving too much detailed information is like casting pearls before swine. Not to mention in areas like NYC, LE totally reads the board, and the moment any specific info about anything good goes up there, it's shut down....
So there is that factor. The P4P scene continues to be great in Bogota, but I for one will make sure it STAYS great by not letting people kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Have a nice day everybody!
In short, 8 years ago this forum was GOD as far as info on p4p worldwide was concerned. But God is dead, and we killed him!
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I was gonna comment on this one way, but decided against it exactly because of what I'm about to say....
I myself have totally changed my style of posting... I used to be one of those 'excellent' posters who gave detailed information with addresses and phone numbers and everything... I stopped doing that long ago, why, because many of the LURKERS who are one here among others, take this information and fuck everybody else's shit up....
[/QUOTE]It's the nature of the beast.
I agree but I feel like an Ahole if I don't contribute. I've had too much help from this forum over the years not to give back. It just wouldn't be right.
What members need to do is READ and follow directions. There are some really schooled mongers on this forum that can HELP you if you let them.
The price police is real. Get used to it. It's the only way to keep the game in check. If you can't relate to that then you need to go back and READ the forum again.
Your mongering affects other people's mongering. Plain and simple.
i will continue to contribute, but not at the total all out level i did before, it has a net NEGATIVE effect on all of us... i will post general info and the details people will have to PM me and I will decide if it's worth the risk or not....
I do want to thank Jackson for helping a good friend of mine and making a slight exception to the rules regarding a SERIOUS matter that came up recently.
Actually I may be entering into a serious LTR (!) in the next few days which will not totally make a eunuch out of me but WILL severely curtail my activities just because I will be giving this girl a lot of energy.... so my contributions may slow just because of that.....
OTOH if things don't work out I'll be hitting the spots with a VENGEANCE :P
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]In short, 8 years ago this forum was GOD as far as info on p4p worldwide was concerned. But God is dead, and we killed him![/QUOTE]
Na its very informative, don't be so negative.
I didn't have to ask anybody where things where, I haven't overpaid anywhere. I've been caught out a bit, but never intentionally overpaid.
Man that sucks, and sadly I do agree with you. If i lived in a wsg paradise and I gave out information, then people would start appearing and fuck everything up. I would stop also. Maybe time to start an exclusive private forum?
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I was gonna comment on this one way, but decided against it exactly because of what I'm about to say....
I myself have totally changed my style of posting... I used to be one of those 'excellent' posters who gave detailed information with addresses and phone numbers and everything... I stopped doing that long ago, why, because many of the LURKERS who are one here among others, take this information and fuck everybody else's shit up....
I life and work in Colombia, I make the local currency and I'm in the trenches with the broke-ass locals here. People come down here and totally fuck up the market with their stupidity, often paying triple or quadruple. I've seen prices on the cheaper hotels and motels SOAR, now if i wanna have a party with a few friends at my preferred spot I have to pay more than double. Even the taxis are getting more and more greedy, always trying to get an extra 1000 or 2000 pesos out of some stupid cheap 10 minute fare. People who read this forum are not 100% of the problem but they are a much bigger part of it than one would think at first.
That's not the only class of stupid behavior people on here engage in on a regular basis. People ratting out this site to WGs who then find their photo on here, fighting over girls' affections like as if they were in junior high, using the site to STALK and BLACKMAIL WGs (I am a PERSONAL witness to this digsuting behavior on more than one occasion), the list could go on. In short, giving too much detailed information is like casting pearls before swine. Not to mention in areas like NYC, LE totally reads the board, and the moment any specific info about anything good goes up there, it's shut down....
So there is that factor. The P4P scene continues to be great in Bogota, but I for one will make sure it STAYS great by not letting people kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Have a nice day everybody![/QUOTE]
Ezinho,
I'm a retired navy guy with 27 years of service. Mongering mostly in Asia, Middle East, and Africa. I have been to Brazil a couple of times and really liked it. Other places on that side were Belize, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Trinidad. Let me give you my two cents:
Brazil: Love the place and the women, especially the passion, but I also think prices are getting out of control, as well as the crime. Love the Thermas!
Singapore: Been in and out of that place since 1978. It has always been expensive and the scene seems to change every 3 years or so.
PI: How I loved this place until the volcano destroyed the bases and the Navy was shoved out. Trike drivers have been assholes since I remember in 1978. Nothing has changed there. Manila used to be a good mongering area, but now it seems AC is the best spot. Still I think this is a good spot.
Mexico: I just started discovering Tijuana (live in san Diego), and the scene is hot. Street girls for $20 and bar/club girls for 50/60. Still a great bargain. I go down there every two weeks for scheduled maintenance.
South Korea: I have not been since 1991, and that was in Pohang and Busan. I did find some bargains during that time. Every bar smells like fucking kimchi!
Costa Rica: I was there just last month, and I agree, the girls are asking way too much, usually $100. But most will come down to 60, and the MPs are affordable. So it might be worth a trip out for you. The Sportsman Lodge has a good scene going.
Cambodia: Haven't been there either and really have no desire to.
Thailand: Pattaya is still the number one mongering spot in the world (IMHO). 25-30K women in the same area, great food, decent beaches. Oh my. My first trip was in 1978, and I keep returning. Will be there in August for 2 weeks. Still the best bang for the buck!
I will also travel to the Dominican Republic this November. Read too many good things not to go!
Places I want to go: Germany, Czech Republic, Russia, and Netherlands. Any input on those?
Bottom line, I think you might be a bit paranoid. But just a bit. There are still some good deals out there. Keep mongering my friend. Life is good!
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Guys,
I'm starting to look into where to go for my next long-term (3-4 months) mongering trip. I'm doing some research on different countries here on the ISG and there seems to be a recurring theme that keeps popping up in many different threads; I keep reading statements such as "_________ is dead as a mongering destination" or "________ isn't what it used to be" or my favorite _________ has changed for the worst". Reading over these threads is making me think that something is going on out there that is affecting mongering scenes all over the world. I'm not sure what exactly is going on to cause this, though. Lets take a look at some examples I've been thinking about. These are countries I've both been to and haven't yet visited:
1. Brasil: Help disco was shut down, prices are way, way up compared to just 7-8 years ago, and guys are writing about getting covered BJs now. Sounds like the officials cracked down on mongering in Fortaleza.
2. Singapore: Had a fantastic street scene just two years ago, the police there have arrested and deported the girls working the streets. Service in the legal houses can often be a sterile experience, with everything covered. Expensive, too.
3. The Philippines: A fine destination if you're looking for a GF or a wife, but as a point and click mongering destination, it's not that good. Scams abound, trike drivers are assholes, and general fourth-world infrastructure add to the problems.
4. Mexico: Probably was a good mongering destination 50 years ago, but now too many gringos and too much violence. Prices can be expensive too, unless you only bang street girls. Mexico City is super expensive.
5. South Korea: Where I am now. Like Mexico, this place was a mognering paradise many years ago (so I've heard) but now it's not good at all. Way, way too expensve, and xenephobic chicks that can't take dick bigger than 3 inches.
6. Costa Rica: I haven't been here, but it sounds terrible. $100 for ST? Overrun with gringos like Mexico I guess.
7. Cambodia: Haven't been here either, but from reading the board I guess the NGOs have taken over the country. That will kill any mongering scene.
8. Thailand: I was going to go here a few weeks ago, I had my ticket, condoms, lube, hard-on, everything was packed and ready to go. Then it happend. A fucking civil war breaks out in Bangkok. Decided to cancel. No idea if this will change the scene there.
So, what do you guys think. Does anyone have any ideas what is going on out there; what's causing all this. Or am I just being paranoid?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tomjackin]Places I want to go: Germany, Czech Republic, Russia, and Netherlands. Any input on those?[/QUOTE]I don't know much about Germany, been there a few times, looked at some Asian and non-Asian houses in Frankfurt and Duseldorf. They sucked big time for me, did not bother doing anything there. But I have not been to FKK clubs, sounds like they are good places
Netherlands was much cheaper before Euro. It used to be 50guilders($30) in RLD. Now I think it is at least 50 euros
Czech Republic and Russia were heaven in 1990s. If you're planning to spend lots of money, than it will be great. I think Czech is fucked up now, eveyrbody knows english and charges lots of money.
In 2000 you could get a hot girl for $60-80 in a central night club for one hour and awesome performance, as many shots as you can.
Last time I was there a couple of years ago, they do have lots of hot looking girls, but the price starts from 100-200 euros for some average service unless you're lucky. The girls are spoiled now there by rich tourists.
Thank you do much for your insite!
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I don't know much about Germany, been there a few times, looked at some Asian and non-Asian houses in Frankfurt and Duseldorf. They sucked big time for me, did not bother doing anything there. But I have not been to FKK clubs, sounds like they are good places
Netherlands was much cheaper before Euro. It used to be 50guilders($30) in RLD. Now I think it is at least 50 euros
Czech Republic and Russia were heaven in 1990s. If you're planning to spend lots of money, than it will be great. I think Czech is fucked up now, eveyrbody knows english and charges lots of money.
In 2000 you could get a hot girl for $60-80 in a central night club for one hour and awesome performance, as many shots as you can.
Last time I was there a couple of years ago, they do have lots of hot looking girls, but the price starts from 100-200 euros for some average service unless you're lucky. The girls are spoiled now there by rich tourists.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Guys,
I'm starting to look into where to go for my next long-term (3-4 months) mongering trip. I'm doing some research on different countries here on the ISG and there seems to be a recurring theme that keeps popping up in many different threads; I keep reading statements such as "_________ is dead as a mongering destination" or "________ isn't what it used to be" or my favorite _________ has changed for the worst". Reading over these threads is making me think that something is going on out there that is affecting mongering scenes all over the world. I'm not sure what exactly is going on to cause this, though. Lets take a look at some examples I've been thinking about. These are countries I've both been to and haven't yet visited:
1. Brasil: Help disco was shut down, prices are way, way up compared to just 7-8 years ago, and guys are writing about getting covered BJs now. Sounds like the officials cracked down on mongering in Fortaleza.
2. Singapore: Had a fantastic street scene just two years ago, the police there have arrested and deported the girls working the streets. Service in the legal houses can often be a sterile experience, with everything covered. Expensive, too.
3. The Philippines: A fine destination if you're looking for a GF or a wife, but as a point and click mongering destination, it's not that good. Scams abound, trike drivers are assholes, and general fourth-world infrastructure add to the problems.
4. Mexico: Probably was a good mongering destination 50 years ago, but now too many gringos and too much violence. Prices can be expensive too, unless you only bang street girls. Mexico City is super expensive.
5. South Korea: Where I am now. Like Mexico, this place was a mognering paradise many years ago (so I've heard) but now it's not good at all. Way, way too expensve, and xenephobic chicks that can't take dick bigger than 3 inches.
6. Costa Rica: I haven't been here, but it sounds terrible. $100 for ST?? Overrun with gringos like Mexico I guess.
7. Cambodia: Haven't been here either, but from reading the board I guess the NGOs have taken over the country. That will kill any mongering scene.
8. Thailand: I was going to go here a few weeks ago, I had my ticket, condoms, lube, hard-on, everything was packed and ready to go. Then it happend. A fucking civil war breaks out in Bangkok. Decided to cancel. No idea if this will change the scene there.
So, what do you guys think. Does anyone have any ideas what is going on out there; what's causing all this. Or am I just being paranoid?[/QUOTE]
My guess (at a ~30,000 foot level) is that two main factors are at work here:
1. Prices go up as demand goes up. More men discover this hobby and partake, so the girls think they can get away with charging higher prices. Men who don't do their homework (i.e. read this and other boards [i]before[/i] their trip) and who don't enforce the pricing structure by walking away exacerbate the trend. Nevertheless (and this is the key point): demand increasing faster than supply will always drive prices up, dumb Gringos or not.
2. Supply is not keeping up. It's good money, particularly relative to some other options available to women in a number of these countries. Nevertheless, in most societies I know of there is a stigma attached to participants and to women worse than men. So, it's a relatively larger risk to them to participate (outed on the street, outed at work, outed on the internet, etc.) as the activity becomes more omnipresent. As a result, there are not as many women to service an ever-increasing number of men.
You mentioned increasing violence and chaos in a number of places which I would assume are still feeling the effects of the most recent global recession. Again, a 30K ft. view.
My 2¢, take it for what it's worth.
How about Argentina?
Great pussy, wonderfull steak and red wine!
Plus, it's now less expensive than Brazil.
But it will depend on if you enjoy Latinas!!!
Read Jacksons other site Argentina Private.
Enjoy,
Hotman
[QUOTE=Tomjackin]Ezinho,
I'm a retired navy guy with 27 years of service. Mongering mostly in Asia, Middle East, and Africa. I have been to Brazil a couple of times and really liked it. Other places on that side were Belize, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Trinidad. Let me give you my two cents:
Brazil: Love the place and the women, especially the passion, but I also think prices are getting out of control, as well as the crime. Love the Thermas!
Singapore: Been in and out of that place since 1978. It has always been expensive and the scene seems to change every 3 years or so.
PI: How I loved this place until the volcano destroyed the bases and the Navy was shoved out. Trike drivers have been assholes since I remember in 1978. Nothing has changed there. Manila used to be a good mongering area, but now it seems AC is the best spot. Still I think this is a good spot.
Mexico: I just started discovering Tijuana (live in san Diego), and the scene is hot. Street girls for $20 and bar/club girls for 50/60. Still a great bargain. I go down there every two weeks for scheduled maintenance.
South Korea: I have not been since 1991, and that was in Pohang and Busan. I did find some bargains during that time. Every bar smells like fucking kimchi!
Costa Rica: I was there just last month, and I agree, the girls are asking way too much, usually $100. But most will come down to 60, and the MPs are affordable. So it might be worth a trip out for you. The Sportsman Lodge has a good scene going.
Cambodia: Haven't been there either and really have no desire to.
Thailand: Pattaya is still the number one mongering spot in the world (IMHO). 25-30K women in the same area, great food, decent beaches. Oh my. My first trip was in 1978, and I keep returning. Will be there in August for 2 weeks. Still the best bang for the buck!
I will also travel to the Dominican Republic this November. Read too many good things not to go!
Places I want to go: Germany, Czech Republic, Russia, and Netherlands. Any input on those?
Bottom line, I think you might be a bit paranoid. But just a bit. There are still some good deals out there. Keep mongering my friend. Life is good![/QUOTE]
Hey Hotman,
You are not the first to recommend Argentina. I think next summer (this summer I will be in Thailand, maybe for the last time), I will work up a trip to Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay. I added the other countries because I have not been to any of them...you only live once, and it is so short not to travel the extra mile. I will save Europe for another year or so. Thank you for your recommendation!
[QUOTE=Hotman 666]How about Argentina?
Great pussy, wonderfull steak and red wine!
Plus, it's now less expensive than Brazil.
But it will depend on if you enjoy Latinas!!!
Read Jacksons other site Argentina Private.
Enjoy,
Hotman[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
8. Thailand: I was going to go here a few weeks ago, I had my ticket, condoms, lube, hard-on, everything was packed and ready to go. Then it happend. A fucking civil war breaks out in Bangkok. Decided to cancel. No idea if this will change the scene there.
So, what do you guys think. Does anyone have any ideas what is going on out there; what's causing all this. Or am I just being paranoid?[/QUOTE]
I dont believe the political unrest, protest and crackdown should be viewed as a civil war. Actually due to many cancellations such as the one above has caused a vacuum for a monger to enjoy. More reasonably one could complain that Bangkok has developed in such a way that the fun of 10 years ago is down 80% because there is just not as many girl friendly places to meet free lancers for a GFE and "the girl next door" stocks are down also 100%. Tourist mafia in the area still remain as touts that incessantly approach farang on the street to rip them off. Also the annoying tuk tuk drivers should be avoided so take a taxi. Alot more guys are hooking up at online networking sites. Some of the newbies bamboozle themselves into believing they are dating regular girls that they dont have to pay end up in a plethera of drama and lies often resulting in theft or some type of scam to get money. Tip, Hey guys the girl is not paying for taxi to and from your place for dinner and to suck your cock for free. She rather eat local cheap som tom and rice rather than your candlelight pasta and wine so pay the girl in the first place.
Even girls with regular jobs are making the average of $5 a day.
Also a phenomia found especially in Northeastern Thailand area known as Esarn is that parents require their children to send home money as a tax for being born.
Sponsoring a girl at 30,000baht/month may get you the feeling your getting an exclusive but in reality unless you watch her 24/7 she is out tricking with other guys or giving it free to young handsome dudes when your not watching. Bad girls are good girls and Good girls are bad girls buyer beware.
If your looking for a rocket scientist you wont find it here. If you like them dumb then here is the place for maximum fun.
A final note to newbies. You most likely will come to Thailand and within days get a plethera of ideas for business and entrepenuership. Once you stay long enough to see thru the smoke screen called thai culture you will most likely discover that the locals are not interested in your ideas nor in your assimilation. You are a walking dollar sign. Put a few tools in your surviver belt and dont be quikly serious with any one girl here. This is a playboy paradise will the penis is king.
Hi guys, I'm a new member, sorry For bothering, but I think I can get some
Nice suggests here.
I'm an italian guy, 22, I've got a 2500€ budget for this summer(period August)and I'm looking for a nice place for mongering. I've got 10-15 days free and I don't like pros so far, I prefer normal girls I can meet in malls and beach, and not to expansive ones as well, considering my budget. What's the best place? Thanks and sorry for my english.
[QUOTE=Hunterr88]Hi guys, I'm a new member, sorry For bothering, but I think I can get some
Nice suggests here.
I'm an italian guy, 22, I've got a 2500€ budget for this summer(period August)and I'm looking for a nice place for mongering. I've got 10-15 days free and I don't like pros so far, I prefer normal girls I can meet in malls and beach, and not to expansive ones as well, considering my budget. What's the best place? Thanks and sorry for my english.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like ibiza is the place for you.
Why bother going to a monger destination if you don't like pros ? If you said you wanted a little taste of both there might be more options.
22 yrs old italian with euros and interest only in non pros doesn't sound like a monger to me....enjoy what you have while you have it..
thanks for ansering. I meant that I don't like streetwalkers or professional escorts. I like girls who do that seldom as an extra. I read nice reports about Thailand and Ghana, but the first seems too expansive so far and dangerous in this period, ghana instead seems better for older guys and worries me a bit for AIDS risk.
Wear a condom.
No worries.
[QUOTE=Hunterr88]thanks for ansering. I meant that I don't like streetwalkers or professional escorts. I like girls who do that seldom as an extra. I read nice reports about Thailand and Ghana, but the first seems too expansive so far and dangerous in this period, ghana instead seems better for older guys and worries me a bit for AIDS risk.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hunterr88]thanks for ansering. I meant that I don't like streetwalkers or professional escorts. I like girls who do that seldom as an extra. I read nice reports about Thailand and Ghana, but the first seems too expansive so far and dangerous in this period, ghana instead seems better for older guys and worries me a bit for AIDS risk.[/QUOTE]
Thailand is safer and far cheaper.
- Girls cost you the same
- Food is cheaper and better
- Accomodation is far cheaper and better
- Flight is cheaper
- You are able to rent a bike to get arround, not possible in Ghana
- There is much much more to do besides hanging arround in bars
If you're on the cheap, go to Thailand espc. now as all the stupid package tourists stay away.
[QUOTE=Hunterr88]Hi guys, I'm a new member, sorry For bothering, but I think I can get some
Nice suggests here.
I'm an italian guy, 22, I've got a 2500€ budget for this summer(period August)and I'm looking for a nice place for mongering. I've got 10-15 days free and I don't like pros so far, I prefer normal girls I can meet in malls and beach, and not to expansive ones as well, considering my budget. What's the best place? Thanks and sorry for my english.[/QUOTE]
Usually Cuba will be OK... Before it changes to much... find a casa particular allowing girls, and just hunt them. 100/120 € a day plus trip would be fair enough outside big cities... of course Thailand is an obvious possibility.
Unfortunataly today 2500 € for a two week fucking holiday is not enough for the FSU teens (lovable blondinkas...) a pity! ;)
IT
Hunter gave me an idea.
I am not a new member, but I will be traveling to Eastern Europe in August and I have a budget of e2, 000 for five weeks. The nations I will be traveling to include Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine. I do not mind having sex with pros but which nations are the cheapest prostitutes and which nations are good easiest to have short flings without having to pay for it?
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Hunter gave me an idea.
I am not a new member, but I will be traveling to Eastern Europe in August and I have a budget of e2, 000 for five weeks. The nations I will be traveling to include Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine. I do not mind having sex with pros but which nations are the cheapest prostitutes and which nations are good easiest to have short flings without having to pay for it?[/QUOTE]My guess would be something like Moldova and Ukraine. Although not sure if there are any "cheap" prostitutes left. But it does not really matter, since you have only e2000 for one month, it can be hardly enough for lodging and some modest food. Plus you need money for transportation, and to entertain either "free" or "paid' girls.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]My guess would be something like Moldova and Ukraine. Although not sure if there are any "cheap" prostitutes left. But it does not really matter, since you have only e2000 for one month, it can be hardly enough for lodging and some modest food. Plus you need money for transportation, and to entertain either "free" or "paid' girls.[/QUOTE]Well thank you for at least responding. I was thinking Bosnia would have been nice. But then again they might not have such a good p2p scene, or so I have read.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]My guess would be something like Moldova and Ukraine. Although not sure if there are any "cheap" prostitutes left. But it does not really matter, since you have only e2000 for one month, it can be hardly enough for lodging and some modest food. Plus you need money for transportation, and to entertain either "free" or "paid' girls.[/QUOTE]Germany used to have plenty of good providers from Russia and Ukraine but on my visit this past June they all but disappeared. I spent a whole month there before I found a real Russian beauty but it was delayed gratification. 2000 EUR for a month is a bit too low of budget. The FKK clubs are being converted into all you can fuck partytreffs and sauna clubs, I found this deeply disturbing because Germany has long been a Disneyworld of adult entertainment. I saw a few women from Poland but in general the Polish girls are kind of cold not as much fun has the Russians and Ukrainians.
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Germany used to have plenty of good providers from Russia and Ukraine but on my visit this past June they all but disappeared. I spent a whole month there before I found a real Russian beauty but it was delayed gratification. 2000 EUR for a month is a bit too low of budget. The FKK clubs are being converted into all you can fuck partytreffs and sauna clubs, I found this deeply disturbing because Germany has long been a Disneyworld of adult entertainment. I saw a few women from Poland but in general the Polish girls are kind of cold not as much fun has the Russians and Ukrainians.[/QUOTE]Well I planned on staying mostly at hostels NEVER any hotels. And most hostels cost like 18e for a night. I don't know, I have stayed in hostels before in Europe and I spent 1500e and that was in W.Europe. From what I thought I thought Eastern Europe is generally cheaper then W.Europe.
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Well I planned on staying mostly at hostels NEVER any hotels. And most hostels cost like 18e for a night. I don't know, I have stayed in hostels before in Europe and I spent 1500e and that was in W. Europe. From what I thought I thought Eastern Europe is generally cheaper then W. Europe.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for cheap but good prostitutes my guess would be Romania and Bulgaria would have plenty of them. I went to a German brothel and paid 100 EUR and got to fuck every single prostitute there and spent nearly 10 hours in the club, also got food and drinks, it average around 10 EUR a fuck. If those girls are willing to leave home for sex work I guess it must be cheap over there.
Poland and Hungary might be another idea. Also the issue in these countries is language, many women do not speak English. I spent a month in Germany, which is an advanced country but many people there did not speak much English, and language is key to getting non pro pussy and a better deal on pros.
Russian girls these days are expensive, I would guess many Ukrainians are also realizing their true value.
I stuck to Germany for a number of reasons, its an organized first world country, its also fairly clean and straight, in some of those other Eastern European countries, especially the non EU ones, you need to be very careful.
Don't forget to consider the emerging powerhouse of Mainland China. Its a huge country with regional differences and no speakie english so do your homework. You can even opt for Macao for easier travel and no visa needed. This website has a plethora of information and photos. I would like to see the best well traveled and experienced members from different regions get together to rally and debate the best international destinations suitable for who and what goals.
With things as bad in the USA these days i would like to see a little flexing and opening of the snapper markets there. Hang tight men and stand tall for our right to get some.
After all a mutual agreement between man and lady that involves sex should not be the governments business.
Oh yes it is i forgot, marriage..Haaaaa!
[QUOTE=Castonthis]Well I planned on staying mostly at hostels NEVER any hotels. And most hostels cost like 18e for a night. I don't know, I have stayed in hostels before in Europe and I spent 1500e and that was in W.Europe. From what I thought I thought Eastern Europe is generally cheaper then W.Europe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Castonthis]...which nations are good easiest to have short flings without having to pay for it?[/QUOTE]
Well, if you are staying at hostels, I don't see how you can get freebie sex. I mean where are you going to do it? Invite the girl back to your elegant hostel to perform in front of your roommates?
Also not having a hotel or apartment limits you to salons and pros who work out of apartments. Semi-pros usually count on you providing the place.
So you pay one way or the other. Either you pay for a decend place to stay, or you pay more for your pleasure (or at least limit your options).
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Well, if you are staying at hostels, I don't see how you can get freebie sex. I mean where are you going to do it? Invite the girl back to your elegant hostel to perform in front of your roommates?
Also not having a hotel or apartment limits you to salons and pros who work out of apartments. Semi-pros usually count on you providing the place.
So you pay one way or the other. Either you pay for a decend place to stay, or you pay more for your pleasure (or at least limit your options).[/QUOTE]
In defense of Hostels I have used in Europe. I have shared a room maybe twice? I was often in two person room alone or with just one other person. It would be very easy to deal with that if both parties understood what the other was doing and when. In fact if I had been rooming with my boy Dave, he was a bigger pervert than I'll ever be and not that's because he's a voyeur its more likely he would be out getting "his" if I came back to the hostel to get "mine".
My concern wasn't so much being in a hostel, but taking a girl back to the hostel to bang. Not like that is unusual at all, after all we're talking about 20somethings mostly.
Hi everyone,
I am obviously new to these forums. But hopefully someone here can answer these questions or point me to a resource.
I am an American currently in Bulgaria. I have one month left on my holiday and I could go basically anywhere in Europe.
What I would like to do is film some POV videos of me with some girls and *perhaps* put them online.
I don't know anything about the porn industry, but I've seen a lot of reality-type sites that are filmed in Europe. Public Invasion is a good example. It's made to look like it's just a random girl he meets on the street, but besides that context, I am extremely curious as to how these guys for real meet such girls. All context aside, all money aside, it's still a guy fucking really hot girls. Bottom line, at the end of the day, that's exactly how I want to spend my time. So my questions are these:
1. How are guys *for real* prospecting and getting girls for 'reality' porn?
2. What, legally, do I need to do *just in case* I want to put these videos online?
3. Finally, where should I go to get the most bang for my buck? Where are the hottest Euro girls that want to suck and fuck on camera for the least money in return?
Hey guys,
I'd like to get more involved in the forums :) This is my first post.
I have a 2 week holiday coming up and I was wondering where do you guys feel the cheapest mongering destinations are? I realise that cheapest doesn't necessarily mean best, but I was in Thailand last year and loved both the standard and the prices. I am more into the massage/streetwalker scene than the nightclub/bar scene personally.
When compared to Thailand, how do places like Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica, Germany and any other noteworthy places fare? I don't mind spending money getting to the country, but I'd hopefully be looking for someplace that has a cheaper standard of living and reasonably priced mongering - much like I experienced in Thailand!
Thanks guys,
Jason M
ps, thailand was also good because when not mongering there were AMAZING beaches and fun activities to get up to.
[QUOTE=Jason Mak]
I have a 2 week holiday coming up and I was wondering where do you guys feel the cheapest mongering destinations are? I realise that cheapest doesn't necessarily mean best, but I was in Thailand last year and loved both the standard and the prices. [/QUOTE]
Nothing in the world comes close to Thailand.
2. Philippines
3. Cambodia
4. Indonesia
[QUOTE=Jason Mak]
When compared to Thailand, how do places like Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica [/QUOTE]
- They are far far more expensive than TH
- There are safety issues (not possible to walk arround at night in Brazil)
- You need to speak Spanish or Portuguese (nobody speaks any English)
[QUOTE=Jason Mak]
I don't mind spending money getting to the country, but I'd hopefully be looking for someplace that has a cheaper standard of living and reasonably priced mongering - much like I experienced in Thailand![/QUOTE]
Germany is out, as it is more expensive than the US for living. Mongering is pretty cheap.
There is nothing outside of South East Asia that meets your requirements.
Argentina is not "far more expensive" than Thailand. Food is a bit more expensive and hotels are more expensive in Buenos Aires, but not so much elsewhere in the country. The cost of pussy and beer is remarkably similar between the two countries.
Thailand and the Philippines are both amazing. If I am going to either country I can get online and by the end of the week have a list 100 names long of gorgeous young girls who are ready to fuck me. Or I can just go and stand around at a bar or walk on the street or something and women will come up to me (not just prostitutes). It is ludicrously easy both places.
Women from both countries are beautiful and petite. Thais tend to have bigger tits. I think Thai girls are less conservative and more up for casual sex overall, but Filipina girls are so naive, trusting, and loving that getting them into bed is about as easy as it could possibly be. Thai girls are usually better in bed. It's typically easier to pick up very young girls in the Philippines and there is no strong social taboo against much older men dating very very young girls there. There isn't any strong taboo in Thailand against the same, either. Filipina girls are more loyal in my experience. But they also tend to react worse if you don't want to stay with them after the one-night stand or week-long fling. Anyway. It's a close call. All of the above generalizations are of course riddled with many exceptions.
[quote=savage grape]hi everyone,
i am obviously new to these forums. but hopefully someone here can answer these questions or point me to a resource.
i am an american currently in bulgaria. i have one month left on my holiday and i could go basically anywhere in europe.
what i would like to do is film some pov videos of me with some girls and *perhaps* put them online.
i don't know anything about the porn industry, but i've seen a lot of reality-type sites that are filmed in europe. public invasion is a good example. it's made to look like it's just a random girl he meets on the street, but besides that context, i am extremely curious as to how these guys for real meet such girls. all context aside, all money aside, it's still a guy fucking really hot girls. bottom line, at the end of the day, that's exactly how i want to spend my time. so my questions are these:
1. how are guys *for real* prospecting and getting girls for 'reality' porn?
2. what, legally, do i need to do *just in case* i want to put these videos online?
3. finally, where should i go to get the most bang for my buck? where are the hottest euro girls that want to suck and fuck on camera for the least money in return?[/quote]reality porn sites are all fake.
i mean, of course, the girls on these sites are real girls. and they're really getting fucked by some guy. but those sites where they meet a girl at random on the street. or pick them up in a bus and talk them into having sex. or pretend they are casting them for porn but really just fuck them and post the video. etc. those are all complete bullshit.
that said, it's very easy to meet girls in poorer countries willing to fuck on camera for money. eastern europe, se asia and latin america are popular spots for amateur pornographers for this reason. and of course if you start up a business like this it's very possible to meet a girl at random somewhere, start a conversation, and talk them into fucking on camera.
if it's just you and a camera, you could probably get girls to do this for free, or 50 bucks or something like that.
real professional operations with decent sites pay more than that. maybe $300-$800 in poor countries like those i mentioned for a 4-6 hour session which is normal. if you pay like this (which is great money for those countries), and are professional and courteous in your dealings with the girls, it won't be hard to find more. they will tell their friends and word will get around. many of the girls who do this for a living are represented through various agencies, or work for clubs, or moonlight as escorts on the side, and you can find these girls on the internet.
if you want to make decent videos you'll also need a good camera with a good lens and some professional lighting equipment, or nobody is going to want to watch (much less pay for) your videos.
most common countries to cull girls from for work in porn in eastern europe are czech republic, slovakia, and to a lesser extent romania, poland, belarus, ukraine, moldova. but you could probably go pretty much anywhere. some countries it will be harder to find girls but it might be cheaper overall if nobody else is working there.
in western europe it will be more expensive to work there but denmark and the netherlands are also big centers of pornography production.
to avoid getting in legal trouble you need to research the laws in the country you are working in, make sure your models are over 18 and take photos and video of them with their id. that's just a start. if you actually make a website you need to do a lot more to really protect yourself. talk to a lawyer.
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname]
If you want to make decent videos you'll also need a good camera with a good lens and some professional lighting equipment, or nobody is going to want to watch (much less pay for) your videos.
Most common countries to cull girls from for work in porn in Eastern Europe are Czech Republic, Slovakia, and to a lesser extent Romania, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova. But you could probably go pretty much anywhere. Some countries it will be harder to find girls but it might be cheaper overall if nobody else is working there.[/QUOTE]
St. Petersburg seems to be a good centre for this - semi-pro porn filmed cheaply.
There was a really good series of posts by Shelbysbaker about 2 years ago.
Search the St. P thread for "mixphoto" or "mixfoto" which was the agency he used. From what I recall, the whole things seemed amazingly cheap.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Argentina is not "far more expensive" than Thailand. Food is a bit more expensive and hotels are more expensive in Buenos Aires, but not so much elsewhere in the country. The cost of pussy and beer is remarkably similar between the two countries.[/QUOTE]
Is that a joke??
How much for a LT in Argentina? US$ 300 or something??
[QUOTE=Jason Mak]
Thanks guys,
Jason M
ps, thailand was also good because when not mongering there were AMAZING beaches and fun activities to get up to.[/QUOTE]
Thaliland is your best bet for sure.
IMHO Argentina is your next alternative (after SE Asia) but with no beaches there with lots of night life though especially for the younger ones.
Paraguay is a cheap destination with nice looking gals but you'll get bored within a week or less. Brasil, Colombia and Peru come next. Africa if you like the real dark ones.
In Argentina try to book an apartment instead of hotel. It comes much cheaper.
I calculate the cost per session when travelling as being
(((airfare/days there)+(daily hotel price))/number of sessions per day) + session price
If you spend $1,000 on airfare, $100 per night for hotel, $50 per session, you stay for 10 days and have one session per day, the real cost is $250 per session, not $50.
What is your cheapest session cost including travel?
China is added to those on my list. Been to many great places with great massage and FS with 8~10s for a good price (Hangzhou is strongly recommended).
[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Nothing in the world comes close to Thailand.
2. Philippines
3. Cambodia
4. Indonesia[/quote]
[QUOTE=John Dough]I calculate the cost per session when travelling as being
(((airfare/days there)+(daily hotel price))/number of sessions per day) + session price
If you spend $1,000 on airfare, $100 per night for hotel, $50 per session, you stay for 10 days and have one session per day, the real cost is $250 per session, not $50.
What is your cheapest session cost including travel?[/QUOTE]
Travel Cost - $28 RT from Los Angeles to TJ (Add $2.50 for door to broader and back again)
Hotel Stay, I live here, I don't even pay rent - $Free
Session, Street Girl $25, Alternative $20+$5 for room but in local currency, so about $30US total.
Over all cost for sessions in TJ, Mexico - $78
[QUOTE=Bigcebu]There is nothing outside of South East Asia that meets your requirements.[/QUOTE]Accra, Nairobi, Mombasa meet your requirements, and are the sine qua non of the darker-berry hobby.
Can anyone recommend any specific area in Asia?
I mean, not only the country but actually an area where I find everything in one place. I want a girl joining me and of course I am willing to compensate her and to pay her expenses during that time.
[QUOTE=John Dough]I calculate the cost per session when travelling as being
(((airfare/days there)+(daily hotel price))/number of sessions per day) + session price
If you spend $1,000 on airfare, $100 per night for hotel, $50 per session, you stay for 10 days and have one session per day, the real cost is $250 per session, not $50.
What is your cheapest session cost including travel?[/QUOTE]
Is poontang the only reason you're going on that vacation? Then I can't fault your reasoning. But it makes me cringe to pro-rate my trip costs into what I pay for each play.
Let's say I want to spend a week at a "tropical getaway" where I can go scuba-diving, spend time on the beach, lounge around and work on my tan. I can go to an "all-inclusive" in Puerto Plata, Dom Rep - where I can eat and get crocked to my heart's content, but my likeliest "close encounter" might be with an AW resembling Moby Dick in drag with a hangover - or I can go a little further down the highway to Costambar and Blackbeard's, where I pay as I go for meals and drinks but they also have chicas on the menu. Doesn't it make more sense for me to reckon the difference between these options as being the "true price per session" of my vacation?
Please don't take this as an argument. Just a different point of view.
I may just be mistaken here or maybe I just got my prices crossed up somewhere! If one was to go to Dominican Republic I believe an all nighter could cost you about 50-70USD where as in Thailand an all nighter THESE days can cost significantly more. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Or my plans are screwed up!
[QUOTE=Dagsky]I believe an all nighter could cost you about 50-70USD where as in Thailand an all nighter THESE days can cost significantly more. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Or my plans are screwed up![/QUOTE]
Thailand is cheaper than the DR. An all nighter in Pattaya costs between 1.000 and 1.500 Bath ($33-50). Hotels are 50% cheaper than in the DR and food as well.
Plus: About 50x more girls.
Ok, thanks for all your advice and help.
I'm off to the far east in mid november (i'm yet to book any flights). I'll be with a friend who doesn't monger and probably looks down on it, so going to somewhere like Pattaya is out of the question.
I really want to check out some nice beaches, but also go to a place that has SOME interesting things to do for my buddy and I, but with some massage/p4p action on the side in the evenings for myself.
Considering I have about 10-14days out there, can anyone suggest a decent itinerary? I was hoping to head to Kuala Lumpur first, for a bit of culture and shopping, then maybe head to someplace in Phillipines? - nice beaches but with no problems getting p4p? Any recommendations on precise locations?
Is it feasible in 2 weeks to also go for a quick stop to some beaches in south Thailand? I was thinking Phuket maybe? I'd be more than happy to choose either Phillipines or Thailand (I've been to thailand once before) but I'm not sure how interesting places in the phillipines are. Similarly, is it easy to take a connecting flight from PI to Thai?
Lastly, I quite like the sound of Bali, anyone know what the scene there is like?
Thanks again,
JM
[QUOTE=D Cups]Hi Guys,
As luck would have it, I have free, frequent flyer ticket on United Airlines to Europe or South America. Where should I go for the best snatch, biggest boobs and possibly some smoke, reasonably priced?
I've been to Brasil and Jamaica, as well as Vietnam, PI and Bangkok (many times but not enough miles for there).
Where would YOU go that you have been before? Colombia? Costa Rica? Germany? Ukraine? All responses appreciated![/QUOTE]
For big-breasted blondes it is hard to beat Ukraine!
But if you prefer different skin colours and hair colours, there are probably many cheaper and easier options. And I list Ukraine instead of Russia just because it is easier (no visa) and cheaper.
My first Ukrainian girlfriend had fabulous natural tits and almost had an orgasm when I played with them - it was heaven!
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]For big-breasted blondes it is hard to beat Ukraine!
But if you prefer different skin colours and hair colours, there are probably many cheaper and easier options. And I list Ukraine instead of Russia just because it is easier (no visa) and cheaper.
My first Ukrainian girlfriend had fabulous natural tits and almost had an orgasm when I played with them - it was heaven![/QUOTE]I'd say that in this part of the world (Former Sovietic Union), Caucasus is, with Uzbekistan, definitely where women are the most curvy. Ethnically, Caucasus women are the product of centuries of mixes and blends between Southeast Europeans, Persians, Turks, Tatars, Russians and plenty of other indistinct ethnicities. The result is a multitude of tall white skinned brunettes with beautiful eyes and, thanks to the Persians invasions, hot curvy bodies. Absolutely exotic. Never been to Armenia, but women are surely equally breasted there, if not more (more Persian/Turk-ethnic blood mixed babes) .
[QUOTE=Prosal]I'd say that in this part of the world (Former Sovietic Union), Caucasus is, with Uzbekistan, definitely where women are the most curvy.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, by "Caucasus" I meaned more specifically Georgia. Women in Tbilisi are something to behold.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu]Thailand is cheaper than the DR. An all nighter in Pattaya costs between 1.000 and 1.500 Bath ($33-50). Hotels are 50% cheaper than in the DR and food as well.
Plus: About 50x more girls.[/QUOTE]It is to bad the plane tickets are twice the price.
Why not try Argentina!
Great pussy, red wine and steak. What more can a man ask for?
Hava a look at Jacksons other site.
[url]www.argentinaprivate.com[/url]
Enjoy.
Hotman.
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1086295]Hi Guys,
As luck would have it, I have free, frequent flyer ticket on United Airlines to Europe or South America. Where should I go for the best snatch, biggest boobs and possibly some smoke, reasonably priced?
I've been to Brasil and Jamaica, as well as Vietnam, PI and Bangkok (many times but not enough miles for there).
Where would YOU go that you have been before? Colombia? Costa Rica? Germany? Ukraine? All responses appreciated! [/QUOTE]
Time to stock take on 2010. It is the 8th year running that I have had sex with 100 or more women a year. In a 30 year "career", the total is around 2400 (estimated range 2200-2500). Some of the figures around the early 80's are a bit hazy but the approximate figures are right.
In 2010, China, or more specific, southern China dominated and of these, Tangxia and Shenzhen dominated. Sauna is the usual scene supplemented by BBS delivery to hotels. There has been the odd recruit from shops and restaurant.
Cost range: 150-3000 RMB in China. Outside: 30 USD to 500.
Satisfaction range: 3 to 10 out of 10.
The 3000 was a KTV in Goodview Tangxia and we did it 4 times from 8 pm to before lunch the next day (before dinner, after dinner, before breakfast and before lunch. It was the best sex in 2010 and right up there over the 35 years.
Another memorable experience was a sauna girl who came into the sauna with me (the sauna at Golden Island Hotel is big). She had the overhead shower running lightly and did a BBBJ and things got out of hand and she mounted me sitting on the wooden stool and would not let go until I am limp.
One gem was a 150 from BBS but she was so good I gave her an extra 100.
Other places visited: Angeles, Cebu, Bangkok, Macau, Sydney, Madrid (horrid experience) , Prague (no longer enjoyable scene).
I was picked up in Avila, Spain by a freebie (Japanese young woman tourist who worked as a travel agent: we shared a table at a very busy restaurant in the old walled city; we started talking and carried on at the bar. I am still stunned by it all. I am old enough to be her father's elder brother. We were staying at the same hotel and she simply followed me to my room and smiled and touched between my legs. We stayed together for 3 days, basically bonking, eating and sight seeing in the north western Spain. She teared up as we parted ways at Madrid airport.
[QUOTE=Jason Mak; 1086022]Ok, thanks for all your advice and help.
I'm off to the far east in mid November (I'm yet to book any flights). I'll be with a friend who doesn't monger and probably looks down on it, so going to somewhere like Pattaya is out of the question.
I really want to check out some nice beaches, but also go to a place that has SOME interesting things to do for my buddy and I, but with some massage / p4p action on the side in the evenings for myself.
Considering I have about 10-14days out there, can anyone suggest a decent itinerary? I was hoping to head to Kuala Lumpur first, for a bit of culture and shopping, then maybe head to someplace in Phillipines?. Nice beaches but with no problems getting p4p? Any recommendations on precise locations?
Is it feasible in 2 weeks to also go for a quick stop to some beaches in south Thailand? I was thinking Phuket maybe? I'd be more than happy to choose either Phillipines or Thailand (I've been to Thailand once before) but I'm not sure how interesting places in the phillipines are. Similarly, is it easy to take a connecting flight from PI to Thai?
Lastly, I quite like the sound of Bali, anyone know what the scene there is like?
Thanks again,
JM[/QUOTE]KL. Visit the BEACH CLUB. Pick up club where you pay anything from 400 ringitt up. Plenty of saunas, prices starting 170-180 ringett.
PH. Nicest place is Borracay but can be a bit difficult for a newbee to get a descent prices girl there. Angeles for few days, have plenty of sex pick up a hooker from there and take her to boracay is good option. Otherwise fly to Manila then have a look at Puerto Gallera, the white beach there, there is a village called Sabbang with around 10 bars to chose from. Price last time I checked. 1000 peso for the bar + 1000 peso for the girl for overnighter. Cebu is another option if you like a bigger city by the beach. Read the forum for more info.
Thailand. Well it depends on what you want to do. If you are a new to mongering perhaps Thailand may be a better choice for you. Pattaya if you haven't been should be an obvious choice. Phuket just make sure you are close to Bangala Road.
Connection. Out of KL you have airasia that flyes direct to Angeles for pinnuts. They also flight to few places in Thailand for [email]f@ck[/email] All. Cebu Pacific is another company if you are into budget flights, also via signapore with Tiger. Make sure you get the airport right as sometimes the Angeles airport is seen as manila's second airport. Out of PH to Bangkok you have Cebu, and Philippines Airlines plus Thai Airlines that fly on regular basis.
For me the best place is Brasil, don't go to a big city, visit a small one. I had every day another babe and didn't even have to pay for it, except the drinks.
[QUOTE=Fistmaster;1106323]For me the best place is Brasil, don't go to a big city, visit a small one. I had every day another babe and didn't even have to pay for it, except the drinks.[/QUOTE]What he says about Brazil applies also to Kenya. See my recent Mombasa reports.
Heaven
[QUOTE=Fistmaster;1106323]For me the best place is Brasil, don't go to a big city, visit a small one. I had every day another babe and didn't even have to pay for it, except the drinks.[/QUOTE]But you have to speak Portuguese, otherwise you won't fuck at all. Girls there don't speak English at all.
P4P sucks in Brazil, it is just dam expensive for a country in that development status.
I plan to go SouthEast Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines) for 10 days at the and of April.
I wonder where would be the best place for non-pros pick up? I'm not really into paying for sex but would like to go somewhere where I can easily pick up a girl from street, mall or a bar.
Suggestions?
LOL 4 what you have in mind you certainly chose the wrong part of the world. Philippines would be the easiest since they all speak english. Having said that you may find that in Phili, Thai, Viet girls will still expect you to pay something, no matter how good you look since they will see you as a rich foreigner regardless of weather U-turn them on or not. Malaysia is a bit different but you will struggle to pick up from the street / bar as they are a bit more conservative (the non P4P). If you do pick up there they may not expect financial reward in some cases but again you will need lots of luck unless you plan to stay there for few months. If I was you I would head to the Philippines, try my luck on DIA and other websites, have few dates in place before you even land there but still have plan be and see in place. You will find ample help on the Philippines / Thailand boards if you decide to go there.
[QUOTE=Kvochko; 1132983]I plan to go SouthEast Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines) for 10 days at the and of April.
I wonder where would be the best place for non-pros pick up? I'm not really into paying for sex but would like to go somewhere where I can easily pick up a girl from street, mall or a bar.
Suggestions? [/QUOTE]
The best? For who? It all depends but if you speak decent Spanish, are under 55 or so and not ugly with a little personality and ability to smile and make jokes, many cities in LAm are good candidates. There is a lot of noise to wade through in ISG for this purpose but do some research in the various Peru and Colombia forums and you will get some ideas and see the possibilities. If you are under 40 charming, fit, and not ugly, attractive non-pro latin women in these countries are very easy pickings for this level of guy. The Peru forum does have a non-pro women sub-section.
[QUOTE=Kvochko; 1132983]I plan to go SouthEast Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines) for 10 days at the and of April.
I wonder where would be the best place for non-pros pick up? I'm not really into paying for sex but would like to go somewhere where I can easily pick up a girl from street, mall or a bar.
Suggestions? [/QUOTE]
madagascar if you speek french.
for 20$ you got the whole night or 10$ st.
easy finding the chicks and a lot in nosy be.
Hy guys, I booked a holiday in ibiza this summer, period 5-17 August. They told me it's a trasgressive place where may be easy to find free sex. Is that true? Has anybody been there?
The girls speak english and fall in love easily. Oh, and they are so beautiful!
Any suggestions to find Phil girls in the US? Any dating site I can join to find them?
Thanks!
Are you kidding me? The malls, of course! In Manila and VN (can't speak for Malaysia) the girls are hanging around waiting to be picked up by a nice foreigner (moreso in PI). At least that has been my experience.
[QUOTE=Kvochko; 1132983]I plan to go SouthEast Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines) for 10 days at the and of April.
I wonder where would be the best place for non-pros pick up? I'm not really into paying for sex but would like to go somewhere where I can easily pick up a girl from street, mall or a bar.
Suggestions? [/QUOTE]
Filipinas in the US are tainted like all the other foerign women who come to USA They become greedy and selfish and lose their feminimity IMO. In other words, they become AMERICANIZED. Take it from me, I'm an American. Have to meet them in their humble, beautiful culture and keep them there!
[QUOTE=Hum Chale Tijuana; 1139016]Any suggestions to find Phil girls in the US? Any dating site I can join to find them?
Thanks! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy;804981]China (far and away the best if you speak some chinese)[/QUOTE]Can you explain why you think China is so awesome?
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1139124]Filipinas in the US are tainted like all the other foerign women who come to USA They become greedy and selfish and lose their feminimity IMO. In other words, they become AMERICANIZED. Take it from me, I'm an American. Have to meet them in their humble, beautiful culture and keep them there!
And. [/QUOTE]So you mean that you travel half the world away to Philippines, find a fuck buddy for a few weeks, and happily come back? Hmmm. Interesting, but doesn't that come with the emotional luggage of the girl expecting you to marry her and take to US?
I wonder what is the best country is to find women worker$ willing to get face / throat fucked.
Everyone talks about how amazing Thailand / Philippines / China / Brasil / Peru etc are for STR, but what about countries closer to home? Yes you wouldn't pay as much in the far east or south america (arguably) but for someone who does not (and cannot) fork out the expensive flights to the far east (£500 at least) , does anybody have a "top 5 european destinations"?. I'm looking at mid June, and am not keen on Germany or Amsterdam. I'll be going with a buddy who does not monger and Amsterdam wouldn't go down too well! Any suggestions would be greatly welcomed!
I hear Czech Republic isn't what it used to be. I read in the Bulgaria forum that there's a lot of rubbish to sift through before you find the gems. I also read in the Ukraine forum that without speaking the local language you'll be useless!
Thanks!
JM
[QUOTE=Jason Mak;1156033]the expensive flights to the far east (£500 at least)[/QUOTE]What do you think you're paying for a flight to e. G. Bulgaria?
Not that much cheaper + the hotels are 3x more expensive than in Pattaya + girls are 5x more expensive than in Pattaya + food is 2x more expensive than in Asia + public transport is 3x more expensive +.
But the most important thing:
I wouldn't waste a single buck for a brothel style 45min sex session with a eastern european hooker. You just can't compare that at all with the GFE in Asia.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu; 1157150]What do you think you're paying for a flight to e. G. Bulgaria?
Not that much cheaper + the hotels are 3x more expensive than in Pattaya + girls are 5x more expensive than in Pattaya + food is 2x more expensive than in Asia + public transport is 3x more expensive +.
But the most important thing:
I wouldn't waste a single buck for a brothel style 45min sex session with a eastern european hooker. You just can't compare that at all with the GFE in Asia.[/QUOTE]True. Plus at least in Asia I'd be getting a better quality service. Maybe all tallied up it'd work out cheaper marginally.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu; 1157150]What do you think you're paying for a flight to e. G. Bulgaria?
Not that much cheaper + the hotels are 3x more expensive than in Pattaya + girls are 5x more expensive than in Pattaya + food is 2x more expensive than in Asia + public transport is 3x more expensive +.
But the most important thing:
I wouldn't waste a single buck for a brothel style 45min sex session with a eastern european hooker. You just can't compare that at all with the GFE in Asia.[/QUOTE]Yes, but many of us find the women ugly in these inexpensive Asian destinations. To me, Thai women look like magpies. I need to be attracted to the women I screw, not just cheap sex.
Eastern European women (and some Latinas) are the most beautiful in the world, in my opinion. So any advice on the best and cheapest destinations for these types of women would be greatly appreciated.
Evening all,
So I'm finally ready to book a last minute deal. A sunny break. The following destinations have decent flight deals that I'd be interested in heading to: (5nights, leaving asap) and have "decent" mongering reports according to the respective forums:
South of Spain (Costa del Sol, Tenerife, Canaries etc)
Algarve, Portugal.
MAYBE Dominican Republic (Punta Cana or Samana)
Of the above which destination would give me the cheapest rates? And which would be best value for money?
Are there any other sunny european / north african / mediterranean destinations that are better than the above for mongering, but that also have nice beaches?
Thanks for the advice!
Ps, I would love to head to Brasil, Thailand, Philippines etc but for only 5 days away I don't think I'd be willing to fork out the pricey flights. I do realise that's where the best value for money + GFE lies but I can't afford £500 flights!
[QUOTE=Magico 80; 1172257]Which is the best country for escort services?
I mean a visit to te city and 2 or 3 callgirls called to hotel.
Not interested in Freebies.
I'd like to know which is the best (cheapest and trustable) both in WEST and EAST Europe.[/QUOTE]I would say either North / East Germany or Poland.
By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.
I guess I didn't make clear, I was posing a question.
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1178157]By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1178157]By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.[/QUOTE]Probably Buenos Aires.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1178197]Probably Buenos Aires.[/QUOTE]I agree. Although the residents of Buenos Aires don't consider themselves South Americans.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu;1172537]I would say either North / East Germany or Poland.[/QUOTE]I've been to Poland in WROCLAW for business many times and I had bad experiences.
95% of the girls both indipendents and agencies are fakes.
A couple of good girls over 30 experiences.
I never thought that North East Germany could been a good place with good price for quality.
Surely I suppose the agency services should be trustable.
Thanks for the advice
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1178157]By best I don't mean the cheapest, just a good selection, minimal hassle, not having to constantly look over your shoulder, and a pleasant enough place to spend a few days or more.[/QUOTE]Although the DR is not South America, it is certainly easy to find girls willing to be your short term girl friend without speaking any Spanish. I reckon that at least 2/3s of the girls will have sex with a stranger, always expecting some form of "help" with their lives (in other words, even though you pay them, most of these are not really prostitutes). All of these girls would consider themselves lucky to be with someone who wanted them as a novia, even for a short term.
The 16 lesson Pimsleur intro to Spanish, which can be done in a week would be sufficient to take you from introduction to the alter, if that is your wish. But without it, all you need is someone who speaks a few words of English to help you along.
I have a taxi driver there named Rey, who is honest, drives a small van in great shape, who is an expert at helping to recruit chicas. He is best at breaking the ice with shop girls or waitresses and arranging dinner dates in situations where a gringo stands out like a sore thumb. And, when all else fails, he knows every casa in the city.
I can provide you with his number of you wish (he also has email). Just pm me.
I just posted on an April trip to Jakarta, Macau, and Pattaya. I had gotten great advice from the Rio de Janeiro and South China Dongguan forums comparing those places and some other destinations with the ones I eventually visited (a Macau forum poster also chimed in). I'm pasting these responses here if someone finds them useful for their own travels. Also, I was probably a bit fatalistic about the "last trip" concept; next month, actually, I'll be heading to the Dominican Republic.
Thanks again for the tips!
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1134161]I liked that class on Comparative Politics in college. Or was it Comparative Literature? Anyway, I love ISG and have read plenty, but sometimes it's hard to compare different mongering destinations without getting some direct expert input. So my solution is to just ask. I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days). I hope not to give up the hobby, but in a few months I'll have to pursue it on 'l little here, a little there' basis. In short, one last full-on sex vacation coming up. Sooo. .
Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:
Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. .
Brazil – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.
Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity
Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.
Thanks for indulging my indecision![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Whomer; 1134793]You should do all of them.
Macau, CP and Hong Kong are different places. Therefore I like all three. There are plenty of information in this forum. And each of them is it worth spending 2 days or more there.
Brazil is a absolute must for every monger. I like Sao Paulo, Rio or Florianopolis. Also many information here.
Jakarta is a hot place too.
Manila is perfect for a lot of fun.
I don't know Columbia, but you already visited it.
At the end it is not about budget, it is more about your schedule. You should try all of them.
I couldn't stay only on one place mongering, I love the diversity of our world (of mongering).
W[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1134504]I don't know about indecision, but it is a tough one. I have been to all the places you mentioned and with the exception of Jakarta, made multiple trips. I will give you my take, but remember this is probably worth what you paid for it.
First So. Amer. If I could go to only one place in the world for girls it would be Argentina, but I have heard that sadly the scene in BA is nothing near what it was 6-7 yrs ago, and I suspect I would be very sad to return. Brazilian gals are the most sexual beings I have ever met, and some of them are off the charts beautiful, but you are correct that the prices have gotten really expensive and the dollar isn't doing well anywhere. One place you didn't mention that would be my first choice in So. Amer is Medellin, I have been a couple of times and NEVER had a bad visit and there are some interesting things to see when you need to rest your decision maker. The girls are beautiful, GFE, and plentiful at reasonable price. Columbia is no more dangerous than most places as long as you aren't stupid and this would be my top non-Asian destination at this time.
Now for the Asian spots, HK, is a great town and lots going on, a little expensive for hotels, etc. But Wanchai has many different nationalities, the girls get all dolled up, and for the most part 1k to 1. 5K will be the total bill for reasonable night out girl included. If you don't go crazy on drinks. Like maybe one LD. If diversity is what you want HK is the best bet for getting it all in one place.
Now, to go thru life without experiencing a night or two at a CP KTV would be a shame if you like Chinese girls at all. I don't have mandarin skills but still manage to have fun at the KTV in CP. The sight of 500-1000 19-25 yr old cute girls all dressed hoping that I will pick them is spectacular, and I enjoy the games, interaction with the guys in the rooms and the other girls as well. The sex after wards tends to be pretty ordinary, as I have only met one KTV girl (or any Chinese girl) that was a GFE by my western definition. The good thing is CP is only a short train ride from HK, and well worth a night or two. I had a good time in Macau, but not enough to really want to go back anytime soon, but then saunas aren't my big draw item and that is what Macau is all about.
The other place I think is worth a side trip is to AC in the Philippines. It is inexpensive and the amount of cute little Pinoy gals available is almost unbelievable, you can literally fly R / T from HK for less than 200USD, and again it is a "bucket list" location for mongers. Of course I like the fils gals, they are cute and tend to be very GFE and willing partners.
If it was my trip and I lived in the eastern part of the US, I would go to Medellin for a week or so, and have the time of your life. If I lived out west, I would head to HK, don't know how many days you have, but go to CP for at least 2 nights. You can try out some of the treats from Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, or Philippines all in Wanchai, and if you go to Kowloon on a good night, try one of the Northern Sisters from Mongolia. I wouldn't recommend the Mongolian gal for the faint of heart, but if my experience is any indication, a lifetime achievement award.
I probably didn't help much, but now at least you have one opinion. Hope you write back with the details of the adventure!
Sky[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SE Asia Joe; 1134256]Disclaimer. Besides Asia, I've only been to Mexico (City, DF) and N. America so I really don't know about other parts of S. America.
But I would first suggest that you figure out what race and quality of gals you actually favor before all else; according to you, this is supposedly one last hurrah. Prices etc should take a back seat to other consideration as the idea is to have a lasting and great fortnight.
Asia, well again the race, quality, service, GFE is very subjective. But I'd say that LOS and PI is probably more Caucasian Friendly than more North Asia. Especially if you favor the darker skinned Issan type girls. English should not be too much of a problem.
The "Golden Axis" of Hong Kong, Macau, Southern China IMHO (AND definitely my biased preference) will give you the best and most varied experiences. Hong Kong offers the cheap 141 gals (HK$250 up) , the +-HK$1, 000 Wanchai LOS / PI / S. America / even E. European gals, to the very overpriced KTV gals. Macau is for comparatively more expensive Sauna (+-HK$1600 for full package including ferry tickets. And here you can also get LOS / Vietnam etc gals besides of course Chinese ones!) or the HK$700 Lisboa race track PRC gals to the circa HK$2, 000 all-in KTV package.
Southern China, now that's a whole different ball of wax. And you reading these pages should give you a pretty good summary of what's available in Chang Ping (similar pricing elsewhere in S. China). Young, lighter and superior skin tone / very OK quality / service RMB 150-250 BBS gals, Circa RMB 800 all in / at least 2 pops / 2 hour / up to 40 different services Sauna experience, Circa RMB 350 KTV party fee + 2-5-8 or whatever grade gal you want. One thing though is NOT to expect much by way of great bodies especially their arses.
And of course if you don't speak Chinese, I would recommend that you MUST hook up with a Chinese speaking buddy or a good agent; otherwise, I'd think you'd get really lost / not able to avail yourself of most good things available.
Jeez. Last time I offered advise as above I got creamed by Wxx Cxxxxxx instead!
Cross my fingers, Hope, Oh well!
SEAJ[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1134240]Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.
After 2 consecutive trips lodging in Centro, I no longer care to sleep there. I like to monger there, but there are ample buses at all times of day and night running between NS Copa and Pres Vargas, so I'll be staying back in Copa next time. As for food and drink, I think Zona Sul can offer everything that Centro has, and with longer hours. The value of Centro, IMO, is the huge quantity of girls, moderate prices, the adventure of finding them in nook and cranny places all over, and just being in the heart of the old city and appreciating the history and culture.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1136577]Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).
A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?
Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Christopherd; 1136952]I don't know if this helps, but compared to the other places you mention I think one downside of Brasil is that, even for an experienced monger, your first time there you are more of a 'newbie' than in places like Manila, Bangkok, Hong Kong, FKK or LMP. 10-14 days is not very long, also considering the amount of hassle involved. I think Puta Playa did a 'how to do Rio in a few days' post a while back, as others have. But it is no cake walk. Would suggest lots of research and very clear (but adaptable) plans.
Not as big a scene as RJ, BKK or MNL but much more straightforward. If you stay in HK mainland rather than the expensive island itself you can get reasonable hotels, yellow-sign parlours, or genteel 'streetwalkers' with nearby apartments. ANd plenty of cultural diversity once you look for it (ignoring the determined tourist-programming that hits as soon as you step foot in there).
I've been a couple of times and hated the place, but PP seems to know his stuff there and I would probably take his advice if I went back. You can get short flights to Bali, BKK or Singapore from there if you don't like it. (depending on taste, but Singapore-Geylang is the no-fuss option).
Plus, it has to be said, Manilia is a bit of a shit hole. If you can get out to the nicer places (I liked the floating bars area near Subic Bay) it has much to offer, but getting around can be either a hassle or expensive due to the fairly dire infrastructure.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1137089]If transportation headaches are a concern, Rio privês and Jakarta in general are not for you. Privês require you to take subway / bus rides and a lot of walking to orient yourself to where you've landed, and walk all over to interview and find suitable GFE girls that provide good services like BBBJWCIM and anal. Take Tijuca Tigressas for an example. The first time, I walked all over that hill for a half hour questioning myself, and even stopped at an internet cafe to double check, before figuring out that yes, my note is correct and it really [i]is[/i] Somewhere inside that damn parking garage. I don't expect a ho house to be inside a parking garage and thinking my note must be wrong. Haha! Also, one of the apartos on Rio Branco is weird as well. The elevator stops one floor below and then you have to walk up a flight of stairs. Some people never figure that out and just leave. The mongering scene in Rio is big, but 95% of it is somewhat clandestine and geared toward the locals. You don't see a lot of girls selling, or any big flashing signs. For example, everyone here hits Luomo at some point. The place is buried upstair in a mall and you'd never know it existed unless someone told you. You could walk by and not even know it was one of the best little ho houses in Rio.
Jakarta in general is a whole different thing. Transportation nightmare during the daytime. The night isn't much better. Much, much harder than Rio.
Sounds like maybe the Phillipines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city. Sugarloaf Mountain is cool, but you can't fuck it. And if you try to hump the base of Cristo Redentor during Holy Week they'll probably call in the BOPE. You're an experienced guy. Pick your favorite place from the past, and go back to that place that you already know if you want to have the best experience in a short time. Don't be misled by the exploits of people on this thread. Most of the contributors here have been to Rio multiple times before being comfortable enough to do things that they've posted. Some live there, some almost live there, most speak the language to some extent. It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a 'rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.
Contrast that with Jakarta where you can just walk around a mall and be picked up by a 'student' who needs money, and she'll fuck you bareback, CIM or whatever you want, and hang out all afternoon. Brasilian girls don't chase gringos anymore, they let the gringos come to them. They think like business people and not poor people, cause they're no longer poor. Better of sticking with what you know. Each time in a place tends to be better than the last.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Christopherd; 1137101]He's got a point. Whether you go to Manila or Angeles City. Very much a matter of taste as they are so different. But you can stay somewhere at reasonable cost and have as much pussy as you can lick your cream on from right on your doorstep. There are other areas of Philippines that appeal, but mostly on the scenic attractions (largely lacking in AC and MNL, although there are some). I don't know the islands that well, but if you want a paradise,
[url=http://www.bluerocksubic.com/]Blue Rock[/url]
Hotel up in Subic is pretty good and cheap as well. Apartment that fronts on to the beach, good food (including Australian steaks, and remember good food is not generally a speciality in Philippines!) , a floating bar with first class music, beer and you can take the waitresses if you want, or walk a hundred yards or so to the main strip for the usual MNL / AC-style babe bars. You can even ask the hotel to arrange a taxi from the airport probably if you don't want to get a bus. The taxi won't be cheap but it lets you have a bit of style getting away from the AC / MNL rat-race so to speak. .
Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Prosal; 1137715]Jakarta is definitively the best option in SE Asia. The eye candy is really outstanding. You could see more gorgeous women there in a half hour then you will see in Bangkok or Manilla in one month. Indonesian girls are REALLY unique in their appearence, thanks to the Malay, Chinese, Indian and Dutch mixes.
Furthermore they are definitely the most easy going girls on the planet and a guy with "skills" can get more freebies than he can juggle with. If you're the kind of monger who plays the non-pro chase game, Indonesia is the place to be (well, with FSU). Rio, AC or BKK are prostitution meccas only good if you appreciate wores who have had miles of cock.
Also Jakarta has one of the most vibrant nightlife in the world.
Jakarta freebies :
[ATTACH=CONFIG]148526[/ATTACH][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1137723]2011, Copa and even centro is just a pale shade of it's better days. Some would even call it a joke. (Prices not even discussed). For those who know Rio very well, and put in the effort and do the footwork, fun can still be found.
- But why would you want to do that, if you are on vaccation to relax?
There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.
Of course you can chase the nonpro if that is your thing, but that you can do back home as well, right?
And also for the Brazilian pro girls, you have plenty of them now working in USA and Europe, just to pick easy.
IMHO, Rio is like the P4P Titanic, once a glorious big ship, and if not resting on the bottom of the ocean, there are very few lights from the deck that still is above the waterline.
Save your time, money and go elsewhere. (I know I will)
Best regards, Ken.
Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Eric Cartman;1137759]I've been living in Rio for 6 months now and I think Puta and you nailed it to a high degree. But I'm curious what places you think are more fun, better prices and better services? I've been to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya, Chang Mai, Phuket) and Germany's FKKs but I wouldn't say they have "better services". The GFE you can get in Brazil, even today, is better than I ever got in those places. Though I really enjoyed the FKKs. Anyway, love to learn more.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LAMonkey;1134178]Dongguan No Chinese language. Big Problem IMHO.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1134356]So true. You could argue that the "language of love" is international but who are we kidding? There is no actual "love" and what do you do after the deed? Smile, laugh, and talk with your hands? Who do you mime, for example,"my parents were poor but noble" with your hands?
Besides, it would be a real pain to have to negotiate with a third party in order to get a girl. And once you are in the hotel room, what if there is a problem?
I have seen guys in Haiti who knew only English and who thought they wouldn't need to know any Creole when they got it on with the girls but when there were problems, they turned to me to straighten things out. Sometimes the girls would go ballistic (the usual problem is that the guys would be doing a different girl a day) and the guy was clueless as to why (they thought that they could go from flower to flower without the girls caring. They do care. It is their paycheck).
Even in CP, I recall an incident when a girl went absolutely apeshit when she complained that the guy who had picked her in a KTV didn't pay much attention to her. And he spoke Chinese (a cultural misunderstanding in the end). Still, there was a misunderstanding between them and it took BSD and Bruce Tea to sort it all out. Imagine if someone who is bilingual in Chinese and English had not been around? They really don't speak English in CP. Hell, even their Mandarin sucks (nearly everyone speaks non-standard "Mandarins" from various parts of China like Hunan, Hubei, Sichuan, Guangdong, etc.) Looking for English-speakers there is like looking for someone to speak Chinese in Peoria or Chattanooga. You can find them but they are rare.
In conclusion, going to CP without at least basic Mandarin (or to a lesser extent, Cantonese) conversation skills is possible but it is a hassle for the punter, the girls, and certainly less enjoyable. I certainly enjoyed myself immensely when I was there and am raring to go back in August. And I am honing my Chinese skills to the max. Mandarin. Don't leave home without it![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sunset Strip; 1137766]Ibn Buttita,
Another mongering spot is Tijuana, Mexico. The prices are VERY cheap. $20 / max on the street and around $60 for an hour for a club girl. Plus you can always stay in San Diego, as most of us do and just take the trolley (public transportation) down to the border (30-45min ride from DT San Diego). Nobody knows you were in Mexico.
Right now Brazil is good for those with connections. I am there around every 4 months and know plenty of people. I know where to go and thus spend very little while in town (around 50 reais per day!). But for a newbie this frugal living would be impossible. Just go to Tijuana, enjoy yourself and have a good time. I was there last month and enjoyed it. SS[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Forest;1181777]The 16 lesson Pimsleur intro to Spanish, which can be done in a week would be sufficient to take you from introduction to the alter, if that is your wish. But without it, all you need is someone who speaks a few words of English to help you along.[/QUOTE]I found the Pimsleur approach to be so boring I couldn't finish it. I much prefer the Learn in Your Car Spanish lessons.
And I've recently mongered in Brazil, Argentina, Singapore, Mexico, Panama, and Australia within the last 12 months.
To a certain extent, all of these countries has its pros and cons:
Brazil. Beautiful, sexually aggressive woman. GFE or PSE. Sao Paulo has excellent clubs (Scandalo or Cafe Foto) and massage parlors (Francebel, Berini Massagem). Rio has great termas (Solarium, L'Ummo, Centaurus. 4x4) that are a must do. In USD be repared to spend $200-300 / hour for full service. But the girl will generally be hot & very sexual. I had my first anal this year. You'll have plenty of memories for the spank bank.
Argentina. Generally attractive European looking girls from the Recolletta Clubs or the many private apartment brothels. Club girls are about $200 (USD) , but apartment girls can be as low as $25 (USD). Not as GFE as Brazil, but they will give good PSE. Girls are usually smokers. Long way to travel, and its cold in the winter. I usally have great, crazy times at the clubs. But better sex with apartment girls. Jackson's site is a great resource.
Singapore. Orchard Towers Clubs (4 Floors of working girls) is something you must do, just for the shear size and variety. With some negociation you can get a Thai or Viet girl for the rest of the night in your room after 1am for less than $200 (USD). Geyland Red Light District is also a must do. $60 a pop at fishbowl type places where you pick the girl from afar. There are about 30 different houses throughout the "Lorongs" with girls of all kinds of ethnicities. I saw Thai, Chinese, Indian, Pinay while I was there. Also, any massage place with an attractive girl outside (even in the malls like Lucky Plaza & Far Eastern Shopping Center) is a Rub and Tub. $100 for a massage / tug / maybe a CBJ.
Mexico. Fairly inexpensive at places like ESS or massage places in the Zona Rosa. $100 (USD) for mechanical sex with a reasonably attractive girl. Generally a bit chunkier and much less enjoyable than Brazil or Argentina. I've gotten some good escorts from classified ads. Tijuana (Adelitas) and other US border cities are about the same.
Panama. The area around Hotel Veneto has some pretty hot Columbians around. You can spend less than $100 (USD) , and have a great time with a chic that looks like Chakira or the hot mom from Modern Family. Also many clubs in the area that are over priced, in my opinion. Daytime is a lot cheaper than night time at the clubs and parlours.
Australia. Always a soft spot in my heart because this is where I started mongering. Good news is that most of the girls speak english, and with some shopping around, you can fulfill your looniest fantasy. Bad news is that the exchange rate is terrible for the USD. Massage / RnT will cost you upwards of $100, with full service starting at about $250. But you can find hot beach bodies, Asia delights, and just about everything in between, in a completely legal environment.
So my verdict; Brazil wins it again this year. Followed by Singapore and Argentina for the silver and bronze.
[QUOTE=Adaptable;1187434]So my verdict; Brazil wins it again this year. Followed by Singapore and Argentina for the silver and bronze.[/QUOTE]My verdict: All 5 countrie are a wast of time and a big big big waste of money. The value fore money is even lower than in central europe.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu;1187731]My verdict: All 5 countrie are a wast of time and a big big big waste of money. The value fore money is even lower than in central europe.[/QUOTE]I totally agreed with you?
Brazil? Argentina? Singapore? Australia?
I think that Adaptable wasn't even being serious. Mexico / Panama. WTF?
How about;
1. Thailand.
2. Philippines.
3. Indonesia.
4. Colombia (if you don't like Asian women)
5. Dominican Republic.
6. Belarus
Frankypanky,
Why is PI not #1 in your opinion? The PI is mongering heaven. Very cheap, the ladies speak English, you can go bareback if you want. The best part is that all the girls are GFE.
Why did you rank Colombia and DR as good places in Latin America? I am trying to figure out where to go next summer in Latin America. I placed a post to ask which Latin American country is the closest to PI, but only two mongers replied. I want to go to Latin America for 3 or 4 weeks. I am trying to figure out which is the cheapest with the best GFE experience. I understand that bareback will not be possible in Latin America. Hopefully I can at least get some BBBJ. Any inputs from any mongers will be greatly appreciate it.
[QUOTE=Frankypanky; 1187792]I totally agreed with you?
Brazil? Argentina? Singapore? Australia?
I think that Adaptable wasn't even being serious. Mexico / Panama. WTF?[/QUOTE]I can only comment on the places I've been to this year, and the travel / accommodation were provided by work, so my old out of pocket costs where the ladies and taxi/public transport to them. I've been to Thailand a decade ago, and while it was a good value, I didn't like women as much as Latinas. I'd really like to try the Philippines, perhaps on my next trip to Asia later this year.
Singapore has the most diversity in one place. I've had all the Asians on your list in Singapore for $50-75 / pop. Sure it wasn't as low as $20 in places like Thailand, but it still pretty inexpensive compared to most of the Americas. In Panama, most of the working girls are Columbian. Sure it cost more than in Columbia, but again, it was a work sponsored trip so the rest of my costs were zero.
Brazil is still my favorite because of the complete experience of going to a terma or a club, connecting with the girl and having a screw session that was either extreme PSE or memorable GFE.
Australia is just too cost prohibitive at this point.
[QUOTE=Adaptable; 1188097]Brazil is still my favorite because of the complete experience of going to a terma or a club, connecting with the girl and having a screw session that was either extreme PSE or memorable GFE.
Australia is just too cost prohibitive at this point.[/QUOTE]Ans brazil not?
Brazil belongt to the most expensive vacation destinations I have ever been. Chocking. Most european mongers left the country years ago towards asia. The American are still there and they waste on their 5 day trips US$ 400 for LT in Rio. Unbeliveable.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu; 1190834]Ans brazil not?
Brazil belongt to the most expensive vacation destinations I have ever been. Chocking. Most european mongers left the country years ago towards asia. The American are still there and they waste on their 5 day trips US$ 400 for LT in Rio. Unbeliveable.[/QUOTE]+1. Brasil has totally priced itself out of the market. The country is flush with cash. I checked recently, just out of curiosity, the rates of the (rather modest) pousada where I've stayed six years ago in Camburi (Sao Paulo Litoral Norte) , and found that for 2011/2012 summer season, a room costed 380 BRL / day (and almost double in "peak" NYE or carnaval period). Some 170 €/day. Go figure! A fucking pousada in Litoral Norte is nowadays more expensive than the Four Seasons Bali or the Shangri La Bangkok!
What countries would you consider best for natural unshaven girls?
I had good finds in SEA especially Thailand. But now they seem to have adapted to western clients who mostly like shaven pussies.
2 years ago Vietnam had some nice hairy girls.
[QUOTE=Kuranyi; 1191590]What countries would you consider best for natural unshaven girls?
I had good finds in SEA especially Thailand. But now they seem to have adapted to western clients who mostly like shaven pussies.
2 years ago Vietnam had some nice hairy girls.[/QUOTE]If you like them unshaved (pits and Bush) then China is the place. Even in the most cosmopolitan cities like Shanghai most of the girls are unshaved.
What countries are good for normal local girls.
I have been ruined by Cuba. It's easy to pick up normal / semi-normal girls in the street. I don't like brothels. I don't like prostitutes. Normal girls or semi-pros that go out a couple of times per month. GFE.
In Cuba thats available, but in Colombia many of the girls are high price pros. Pre-pagos.
Any in Latin America?
Hey guys,
So this has been toyed with for some time, but there hasn't been a European Top5 listed. Some good suggestions recently on this thread. I can't afford the £500 flights to the far east or South America, so I've got not option but to stick with Europe (East or West). I realise that the quality and quantity will be less, but I haven't got a choice!
Does anyone have a top 5 suggestion for Europe? As far as I'm concerned. My top 5 would be based on price and quantity. I realise that for many mongerers a high quality experience would be worth the extra investment, but realistically for me, I'm neither experienced enough nor rich enough to be picky with my p4p.
From where I'm at, all flights to Europe would be a reasonable value, so what I'm after is ease of access and importantly, low price. From what I gather from reading the threads here are:
1. Germany. High cost of living, but cheap flights and lots of lesser-priced mongering options.
2. Czech Republic. Prague especially. Good range of girls, varying prices, but if I look around there are quite a few that would come up as "cheaper".
3. Poland. Had a quick read through the forum, seems as if there are fewer options that the above, but again, ? Cheapest in europe?
That's where my list stops. ? 4. Belarus, I have no idea.
Would really appreciate your inputs, I realise that cheapest does not mean best but I'm on a strict budget and can't splash out for that "high quality escort service" that we'd all love to get.
Ps, I was wondering whether girls in the above countries (STR) would allow you to cum more than once in a 1hour or 30min session? With a hot chick I'm the kind of guy who could blow his load in 5mins flat if she's OWO-ing. Or is it a one-cum-only deal in most of the STR sessions?
Thanks guys,
I1979: Bangkok: overnight stay on way to London. Young man on his first overseas trip. Taxi driver introduced after 3 refusals. She was a doll. Just great sex. First experience of oral sex. CIM accidentally. She washed it away and keep on. Bare backed her because she just climbed on top after second erection in 20 minutes. Shot a load into her with her grining motion. She sucked my cock after also which resulted in a third shot. Gave her a bonus equal what the papasan took. Had sex with around 10 freebies in 1979 in London. None was as good and usually after too much booze.
1980: Rio. Carnivale. Backpack. Took 2 from a bar (they were no more than 18 or 19 and both had those string bikini suntan. I had an unbelievable time for 3 days. After the first time, all bareback, including anal. At the end, they wanted 500 USD each! Said I agreed. I did not remember but gave them 150 American dollars each in travellers' cheques which they cashed in immediately. They then lissed me lovingly. Inflation then was around 500 % pa. I was travelling on around 40 dollars a day total, staying at hotels etc.
1981:3 day stop over in Manila. Taxi driver took me somewhere. Shown about 50 girls. Chose one about 5 foot tall who spoke good English. 60 US dollars a day. Stay with you. Straight back to Hotel and into it. She gave no resistance. No shower or anything. Her sweaty body and female smells made the fuck even more urgent. Three times a day for 3 days. Saw the sights and clubs together. I remember it as if it was yesterday.
1985: Sydney in Chartswood at a place called Alyras. Shown 4 and chose Morgan. Must have been 18-19 then. She looked great, had a great body (5'4'", blond, white skin). Allowed DATY and she came too. All positions. 2 shots. Just unbelievable sex.
1989: Gold coast Australia. Tall girl with 36 tits. She made me CIM then made me do DATY. She then sucked my toes.
1993: Shenzhen Shangri Lah bar. Beautiful, tall. Wanted 2000 RMB. Settled for 1000 RMB. Just beautiful, young and fresh. Showed me I'd. 18 when I did her.
1993: great fuck at Tiffany's in Sydney. Said she was "randy" after 1 week off. A chunky one there but with unbelievable vaginal muscles. Said thank you for making her come.
1997: Kunming, China. Went there and stayed at a then best hotel. Knock on door@11 pm after a phone call. Air Hostess from the flight! 1000 RMB but unbelievable sex and an unbelievably beautiful body.
1999-2011: a great collection of sauna experience, mostly in Tangxia China. I am extending my sex life in ways I never thought likely 30 years.
[QUOTE=Digital Curry; 1194670]What countries are good for normal local girls.
I have been ruined by Cuba. It's easy to pick up normal / semi-normal girls in the street. I don't like brothels. I don't like prostitutes. Normal girls or semi-pros that go out a couple of times per month. GFE.
In Cuba thats available, but in Colombia many of the girls are high price pros. Pre-pagos.
Any in Latin America?[/QUOTE]Colombian women are expensive. You pay for everything and they arent that easy anymore.
Easiest non pro pick ups-Peru, quito, brazil, Venezuela, Colombia
Hi,
I come from Europe, I speak a bit of spanish and I the like one day to go to Central or South America. Then, the problem is the following. I don't know where to go. People are always speaking about different countries in each comments. I prefer renting an appartment somewhere, try the local sex workers and take time for freebies or semi-pros than moving around all south america and have no sex. So clearly, I m looking for the place where it is the easiest to get laid.
Some people are speaking about Brazil as a good destination but I don't speak portuguese and it would be an handicap for me. People say girls are friendly to foreigners in south america but I know there is language barrier. I know when you go to a place where you don't speak the local language, you loose the opportunity to get laid with some women who don't speak english. I know that south american women who speak english are usually ugly because they don't have a chance to pick up a guy and they learn english to seduce foreigners. I know it because I witnessed this issue while being in the UK and Netherlands.
So I would like to get your opinion about the best country for sex works semi pros in south america. (by the way did I post to the right place?).
If you would ask me what is the best place in western europe. I would tell you Spain because you ll find in Spain Good looking pro (south america and east europe) and good semi pros (local students). Western Europe is not the place for freebies anyway.
Hello, all. I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts.
I am interested in planning a short trip (7 days or less, depending on destination and cost) this winter. I'm 30 years old, I have my wits about me, and I like pussy. Here are the criteria to consider:
1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. I can be persuaded to visit Brazil, depending on flight cost and distance.
2. Ambience: I want to visit a place worth visiting. I am not going to be content just sitting lazily on a beach drinking, or spending all my time whoring at a bar. I want to have something worth doing during the day. Whether that means places to visit, or activities, or sights etc. While pussy is an important part of the trip, it isn't the entirety of it.
3. Accommodations: I don't want to be living in a shithole. I realize some people want basic accommodations, but I'd rather pay a little more and have a nice standard of living. That can mean renting a villa (I may bring friends, not sure yet) , or it may mean a decent hotel / resort with some amenities. On the other hand, I don't need to be at the Ritz. I just want to feel like I am on vacation, not like I am roughing it.
4. Value: I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either. Ideally, I'd like to go somewhere that a dollar goes far.
5. Chicas: I'd rather pay a little more for quality here. It would be great to have some non-pros / part timers in the mix, but just the same, I'm happy working within a system where the expectations are fairly standard off the bat. I plan to treat the people I meet with respect and generally to be cool and friendly to them. I don't want to constantly have to play games or deal with tweakers. I want to meet cool chicks, treat them well, and have a good time. My preferences, physically, are for brunettes with brown eyes, nice curves, and mixed ethnicity. I am not a fan of really dark girls. But I definitely enjoy a certain amount of color (as opposed to Western European white girls). It would be great if they can speak some English, as my Spanish is pretty elementary.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel, what kind of place I should stay in, how I should act, and anyone I should PM before I show up. I promise that any information I'm given, or anyone that helps me out. I will be a friendly, chill guy, with gratitude and a good spirit.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=BottleRocket30; 1228244]Hello, all. I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts.
I am interested in planning a short trip (7 days or less, depending on destination and cost) this winter. I'm 30 years old, I have my wits about me, and I like pussy. Here are the criteria to consider:
1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. I can be persuaded to visit Brazil, depending on flight cost and distance.
2. Ambience: I want to visit a place worth visiting. I am not going to be content just sitting lazily on a beach drinking, or spending all my time whoring at a bar. I want to have something worth doing during the day. Whether that means places to visit, or activities, or sights etc. While pussy is an important part of the trip, it isn't the entirety of it.
3. Accommodations: I don't want to be living in a shithole. I realize some people want basic accommodations, but I'd rather pay a little more and have a nice standard of living. That can mean renting a villa (I may bring friends, not sure yet) , or it may mean a decent hotel / resort with some amenities. On the other hand, I don't need to be at the Ritz. I just want to feel like I am on vacation, not like I am roughing it.
4. Value: I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either. Ideally, I'd like to go somewhere that a dollar goes far.
5. Chicas: I'd rather pay a little more for quality here. It would be great to have some non-pros / part timers in the mix, but just the same, I'm happy working within a system where the expectations are fairly standard off the bat. I plan to treat the people I meet with respect and generally to be cool and friendly to them. I don't want to constantly have to play games or deal with tweakers. I want to meet cool chicks, treat them well, and have a good time. My preferences, physically, are for brunettes with brown eyes, nice curves, and mixed ethnicity. I am not a fan of really dark girls. But I definitely enjoy a certain amount of color (as opposed to Western European white girls). It would be great if they can speak some English, as my Spanish is pretty elementary.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel, what kind of place I should stay in, how I should act, and anyone I should PM before I show up. I promise that any information I'm given, or anyone that helps me out. I will be a friendly, chill guy, with gratitude and a good spirit.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Asia (Thailand, Cambodia and the Philippines) offer you all that. Cheap, Safe, Plenty of things do do beside mongering, easy to get along with English.
But: It's not worth going there from Chicago for only 7 days. It is just to far.
As your time is very limited, I would go to the DR (Sosua) , even it is not half as good as Thailand.
Don't even think about the horrible expensive Brazil.
[QUOTE=BottleRocket30;1228244]1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America.[/QUOTE]Being so picky probably restricts you to San José, Costa Rica.
[url]http://www.sportsmenscr.com/[/url] has girls on-site but be sure to bargain-down their asking prices.
Brush up your Spanish and you might be ready for Medellín the next trip.
[QUOTE=BottleRocket30; 1228244]Hello, all. I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts.
I am interested in planning a short trip (7 days or less, depending on destination and cost) this winter. I'm 30 years old, I have my wits about me, and I like pussy. Here are the criteria to consider:
1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. I can be persuaded to visit Brazil, depending on flight cost and distance.
2. Ambience: I want to visit a place worth visiting. I am not going to be content just sitting lazily on a beach drinking, or spending all my time whoring at a bar. I want to have something worth doing during the day. Whether that means places to visit, or activities, or sights etc. While pussy is an important part of the trip, it isn't the entirety of it.
3. Accommodations: I don't want to be living in a shithole. I realize some people want basic accommodations, but I'd rather pay a little more and have a nice standard of living. That can mean renting a villa (I may bring friends, not sure yet) , or it may mean a decent hotel / resort with some amenities. On the other hand, I don't need to be at the Ritz. I just want to feel like I am on vacation, not like I am roughing it.
4. Value: I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either. Ideally, I'd like to go somewhere that a dollar goes far.
5. Chicas: I'd rather pay a little more for quality here. It would be great to have some non-pros / part timers in the mix, but just the same, I'm happy working within a system where the expectations are fairly standard off the bat. I plan to treat the people I meet with respect and generally to be cool and friendly to them. I don't want to constantly have to play games or deal with tweakers. I want to meet cool chicks, treat them well, and have a good time. My preferences, physically, are for brunettes with brown eyes, nice curves, and mixed ethnicity. I am not a fan of really dark girls. But I definitely enjoy a certain amount of color (as opposed to Western European white girls). It would be great if they can speak some English, as my Spanish is pretty elementary.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel, what kind of place I should stay in, how I should act, and anyone I should PM before I show up. I promise that any information I'm given, or anyone that helps me out. I will be a friendly, chill guy, with gratitude and a good spirit.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Don't rule out Asia. You can get to SIN, BKK or MNL in 2 flights from ORD. Plan on 2 days to get there and 1 day to return. And think of a 9-day trip. Sat to following Sunday.
Lots to do in BKK other than Soi Cowboy. Temples, ruins, street markets, floating market, etc.
If you go to SIN you can easily do a side trip on discount regional airline to BKK, Kuala Lumpur, Pemang, Siem Reap, HCMC, Hanoi, Bali.
Tiger Air or Air Asia are good cheap airlines. Use ZUJI dot com or the Amex travel site for good but cheap local hotels. Hotels in SIN will be relatively pricey unless you go way downmarket. Think of hotel or AMEX MR points if you have them.
MNL is tougher as there is less to do IMHO other than drink and fuck.
Alternately, go to Frankfurt and visit Germany, hitting the Hessen "Big 3" FKKs for an experience of a lifetime. Palace, Oases & World. Your Dollar won't go as far but you can fuck stunningly beautiful women from all corners of the globe for a fair price.
[QUOTE=Bigcebu;1228435]As your time is very limited, I would go to the DR (Sosua) , even it is not half as good as Thailand.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Trevor2522;1228444]Being so picky probably restricts you to San José, Costa Rica.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Ebauche; 1228452]Don't rule out Asia. You can get to SIN, BKK or MNL in 2 flights from ORD. Plan on 2 days to get there and 1 day to return. And think of a 9-day trip. Sat to following Sunday.
Alternately, go to Frankfurt and visit Germany, hitting the Hessen "Big 3" FKKs for an experience of a lifetime. Palace, Oases & World. Your Dollar won't go as far but you can fuck stunningly beautiful women from all corners of the globe for a fair price.[/QUOTE]All, thank you very much for your suggestions. I appreciate it (as well as the PMs). Please keep them coming!
You pose an interesting question, but given your somewhat limiting criteria, I think points south of ORD are your best (perhaps only, options. And by that I mean Central and South America. I agree with others here regarding Thailand, Cambodia, maybe even tying in a side trip to Macau and HK. But that really takes more than a week to do properly.
Two other places come immediately to mind, however:
BA, Argentina- food is good, lots of sites to see and things to experience, and the women are some of the most beautiful in the world. Lodging can be pricey, but some homework and diligent searching will payoff there.
Lima, Peru- WORLD class cuisine, lots of historic and cultural things to do, and the mongering can be very reasonably priced. If you like Latinas, you'll enjoy these ladies.
Good luck wherever you go, and please send us back a detailed FR.
[QUOTE=BottleRocket30; 1228244]Hello, all. I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts.
I am interested in planning a short trip (7 days or less, depending on destination and cost) this winter. I'm 30 years old, I have my wits about me, and I like pussy. Here are the criteria to consider:
1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. I can be persuaded to visit Brazil, depending on flight cost and distance.
2. Ambience: I want to visit a place worth visiting. I am not going to be content just sitting lazily on a beach drinking, or spending all my time whoring at a bar. I want to have something worth doing during the day. Whether that means places to visit, or activities, or sights etc. While pussy is an important part of the trip, it isn't the entirety of it.
3. Accommodations: I don't want to be living in a shithole. I realize some people want basic accommodations, but I'd rather pay a little more and have a nice standard of living. That can mean renting a villa (I may bring friends, not sure yet) , or it may mean a decent hotel / resort with some amenities. On the other hand, I don't need to be at the Ritz. I just want to feel like I am on vacation, not like I am roughing it.
4. Value: I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either. Ideally, I'd like to go somewhere that a dollar goes far.
5. Chicas: I'd rather pay a little more for quality here. It would be great to have some non-pros / part timers in the mix, but just the same, I'm happy working within a system where the expectations are fairly standard off the bat. I plan to treat the people I meet with respect and generally to be cool and friendly to them. I don't want to constantly have to play games or deal with tweakers. I want to meet cool chicks, treat them well, and have a good time. My preferences, physically, are for brunettes with brown eyes, nice curves, and mixed ethnicity. I am not a fan of really dark girls. But I definitely enjoy a certain amount of color (as opposed to Western European white girls). It would be great if they can speak some English, as my Spanish is pretty elementary.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel, what kind of place I should stay in, how I should act, and anyone I should PM before I show up. I promise that any information I'm given, or anyone that helps me out. I will be a friendly, chill guy, with gratitude and a good spirit.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]BR,
I will give you my opinion of your quest as you defined it. I agree that you shouldn't automatically discount going to S. E. Asia, unless the cost of the airfare blows your budget. If you choose that route, I would suggest to take a look at a few days in Angeles City (nothing to do but fuck and drink) and Cebu in the Philippines. The reason being the number of gals to choose from, English speaking, and for the most part they are warm and friendly.
Bangkok, it is great city, good food, interesting sights to see and some truly beautiful ladies. Get in touch with Giotto and I would plan to stay at Livingstones for a few days. It is not a 5 star hotel, but very nice and you can't ask for a better host, he has his own thread on the board. I also enjoyed a little sight seeing around the area and find the history of Thailand interesting, since I didn't get much of that history in the USA growing up. The massages alone are worth the trip.
Hong Kong is a GREAT town, but hotels are on par with NYC and Chicago as far as costs go, but you can find girls at a reasonable price from all over S. E. Asia, plus a side trip to a Macau sauna is worth it for sure.
If you eliminate S. E. Asis, I would concentrate on two places, Medellin and Germany. The girls in Columbia (in my opinion Medellin) are off the charts hot. The only place better is Argentina, but it is a LOT more expensive and a longer flight. If you go, do yourself a favor and stay at Casa Blanca. Greg and his staff are top notch and happy to help a FNG. There are some interesting side trips in the area and I have had more than a few good experiences there. There is no doubt that knowing some Spanish will help, but it is not a requirement.
Now, with Germany, it is all about the girls. You can fly into FRA, rent a car, drive a couple of hours and be in a true wonderland of venues. The NSW part of Germany has a lot of high quality FKK clubs, all legal, and stuffed full of ladies. For a budget of about 200 Euros a day, you can get laid by three different gals, eat three times, and enjoy a relaxing day in a spa setting. A number of the gals speak some English, and the for the most part are from Hungary, Romania, some German gals, Spanish, a few So. Amer. Gals, etc. They come in all sizes and shapes. The sessions aren't necessarily GFE types, but are fun. The thing is there is not much else to do in the area, unless look at scenery. Also, this is all business with them. By that I mean, there is little chance of meeting outside the club, if that interests you.
In all he other venues, if you "click" with a girl, you can keep her for a day or two and have a "local" tour guide, if that interest you.
In summary, if it were my trip, I would rank it this way.
Bangkok, have a few massages, eat good food, do a tourist trip and enjoy the company of some beautiful ladies. (check out some of Fon Tok's photos for a general idea of the talent level)
Medellin, closer, hot girls, good food and some interesting things to do. If you can do it over the Super Bowl weekend, Aussie Gregg throws an awesome Super Bowl party.
Germany, easy to get to, short flight, large number of good clubs to check out, only down side is the trip is only a "sex vacation". The cost is reasonable as well.
I will look forward to hearing about you journey.
Sky
[QUOTE=Rippa; 1228522]Y.
BA, Argentina- food is good, lots of sites to see and things to experience, and the women are some of the most beautiful in the world. Lodging can be pricey, but some homework and diligent searching will payoff there.[/QUOTE]Not only lodging can be pricey, fucking as well. Don't think Argentina is a good option for a sex vacation, unless you like the "brothel style sex" that you can easily get at home as well if you're not American.
Hi!
I came across the advertisement for Oxygen retreat. Sounds like a cool place. Pricey, I admit, but with guaranteed results. Actually, when you work it out, it comes down to about 250$/girl for 2h, with room, food and booze, so not too too bad. However, I wonder if there are any other similar alternatives. I'm in North America, so anything close means no jet lag, however willing to go to Europe. Asia a bit far, so girls may be cheaper but travel to get there more expensive.
Any of you have any suggestions? Please PM me if you would prefer not to post your best secrets here.
TIA
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder;1228566]If you eliminate S. E. Asis, I would concentrate on two places, Medellin and Germany. The girls in Columbia (in my opinion Medellin) are off the charts hot. The only place better is Argentina, but it is a LOT more expensive and a longer flight. If you go, do yourself a favor and stay at Casa Blanca. Greg and his staff are top notch and happy to help a FNG. There are some interesting side trips in the area and I have had more than a few good experiences there. There is no doubt that knowing some Spanish will help, but it is not a requirement.[/QUOTE]This sounds like a really good option for me, based on distance and travel time. My Spanish is rusty and out of practice, and it was never truly conversational, but I think I would know enough to communicate at a basic level. I will read more about Medellin in the appropriate threads, and I appreciate the referral. Having good contacts wherever I travel is essential, so I thank you for that.
This is another good option. Primarily because it is a non-stop flight from Chicago, which makes up for the longer distance. Also, I have had a chance to check out the FKK sites, and I am very impressed with the quality and the concept. I will say, however, that I have never been to Europe, and when I go, I definitely want to take a longer trip. Perhaps three weeks. And see a few countries. I would feel like I was missing out if I spent the bulk of my time indoors. I think this is a great option for me to have in the future when I am prepared to take a few weeks off of work and have the budget to do this one properly.
[QUOTE]I will look forward to hearing about you journey.[/QUOTE]Whatever I choose, I will definitely provide some quality trip reports when I return. I love writing, especially about adventures, so it will be worth the wait.
[QUOTE=BottleRocket30; 1228244]Hello, all. I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts.
I am interested in planning a short trip (7 days or less, depending on destination and cost) this winter. I'm 30 years old, I have my wits about me, and I like pussy. Here are the criteria to consider:
1. Distance: I'd like it to be within a short hop from Chicago. No more than two flight segments. This rules out the Eastern hemisphere, and the Southern hemisphere. I'm basically left with the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America. I can be persuaded to visit Brazil, depending on flight cost and distance.
2. Ambience: I want to visit a place worth visiting. I am not going to be content just sitting lazily on a beach drinking, or spending all my time whoring at a bar. I want to have something worth doing during the day. Whether that means places to visit, or activities, or sights etc. While pussy is an important part of the trip, it isn't the entirety of it.
3. Accommodations: I don't want to be living in a shithole. I realize some people want basic accommodations, but I'd rather pay a little more and have a nice standard of living. That can mean renting a villa (I may bring friends, not sure yet) , or it may mean a decent hotel / resort with some amenities. On the other hand, I don't need to be at the Ritz. I just want to feel like I am on vacation, not like I am roughing it.
4. Value: I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either. Ideally, I'd like to go somewhere that a dollar goes far.
5. Chicas: I'd rather pay a little more for quality here. It would be great to have some non-pros / part timers in the mix, but just the same, I'm happy working within a system where the expectations are fairly standard off the bat. I plan to treat the people I meet with respect and generally to be cool and friendly to them. I don't want to constantly have to play games or deal with tweakers. I want to meet cool chicks, treat them well, and have a good time. My preferences, physically, are for brunettes with brown eyes, nice curves, and mixed ethnicity. I am not a fan of really dark girls. But I definitely enjoy a certain amount of color (as opposed to Western European white girls). It would be great if they can speak some English, as my Spanish is pretty elementary.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel, what kind of place I should stay in, how I should act, and anyone I should PM before I show up. I promise that any information I'm given, or anyone that helps me out. I will be a friendly, chill guy, with gratitude and a good spirit.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You should check out Blackbeard's ([url]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/[/url]) in the Dominican Republic, the accommodations may be a little less than you are looking for, but it is no shithole, and the owner takes a lot of pride in always improving the place. There are more expensive all-inclusive resorts in DR, but the costs go up substantially. For instance there is a place called Oxygen, it's cheapest room costs 500US a night, and you get 2 2 hour sessions for that price. At Blackbeard's, say you book the Villa / Penthouse at 120US, you could then get the 2 2 hour sessions (price is fixed 1500DOP (about 50US) ST or 3000DOP (about 100US) LT) for another 100, throw in 30-50 for food and it still about half the price of an all-inclusive. Blackbeard's also offers all types of trips and outings if you are into that sort of thing (I have never taken any of them, so I don't know much about them).
You could try Costa Rica also, lots of people seem to like the Hotel Del Ray ([url]http://www.delreyhotel.com/[/url]) although the rooms will run you over a 100US, and the price of girls will vary depending upon your negotiating skills, but will probably be between 60-100US per session. It can add of quickly, but CR is probably better for the touristy type stuff.
All-in-all I would say based on all your criteria that Blackbeard's in the Dominican Republic is probably your best bet, you don't even need to know any Spanish. Also if you do go, try to book around a Bikini Contest, they are wild, and a whole lot of fun.
[QUOTE=Sevenup; 1228724]Hi!
I came across the advertisement for Oxygen retreat. Sounds like a cool place. Pricey, I admit, but with guaranteed results. Actually, when you work it out, it comes down to about 250$/girl for 2h, with room, food and booze, so not too too bad. However, I wonder if there are any other similar alternatives. I'm in North America, so anything close means no jet lag, however willing to go to Europe. Asia a bit far, so girls may be cheaper but travel to get there more expensive.
Any of you have any suggestions? Please PM me if you would prefer not to post your best secrets here.
TIA[/QUOTE]Blackbeard's in DR it's not all-inclusive but much cheaper, read the response I just posted below for more info. DR has a whole bunch of all-inclusive joints like Oxygen, although it's probably the most "famous". DR is about the closest sex tourism destination to North America.
Somebody mention Casa Blanca in Medellin, I've never been, but I've never heard anything but good things and I can't wait to try the place out myself someday.
Your best bet is to read the forums for different countries and see which ones sound the most appealing and then going from there, but I always think Blackbeard's is a good place to start for beginners. Enjoy!
Why pay for sex when you are young enough to set up a string of Internet dates with just a little evening homework? Plenty of ordinary girls on the gringo-hunt who will speak basic English, plus it opens up 'expensive'* countries like Brazil because you only need pay for entertainment. Also enjoy a much better GF experience than with short-time Dom Rep hoes. This assumes you are in reasonable shape and have an outgoing personality. Avoid any with babies or over 25.
* Actually Brazil is much cheaper than the USA ... http://www.mytravelcost.com/USA/compare-with-Brazil/
** Colombia even more so ... http://www.mytravelcost.com/USA/compare-with-Colombia/
[QUOTE=Trevor2522; 1228841]Why pay for sex when you are young enough to set up a string of Internet dates with just a little evening homework? Plenty of ordinary girls on the gringo-hunt who will speak basic English, plus it opens up 'expensive'* countries like Brazil because you only need pay for entertainment. Also enjoy a much better GF experience than with short-time Dom Rep hoes. This assumes you are in reasonable shape and have an outgoing personality. Avoid any with babies or over 25.
* Actually Brazil is much cheaper than the USA. [url]http://www.mytravelcost.com/USA/compare-with-Brazil/[/url]
* Colombia even more so. [url]http://www.mytravelcost.com/USA/compare-with-Colombia/[/url][/QUOTE]I've considered this. And that is part of the reason why I'm not completely sold on staying at a known mongering establishment. I want to have the option to bring back girls of either category. I get the impression that going to a place like BB or Casa Blanca would make that impossible, not to mention pointless.
As for my appearance and personality. I should be able to pull some decent non-pros with some effort. The appearance is a work in progress. I am trying to get fitter between now and then. But my personality is outgoing enough. For me it is more a question of effort / reward. Do I want to enjoy the chase. Putting in a certain amount of time and effort to talk up lots of chicas, try to attract them. Or do I want to pick and choose the one I like and just run with it. On some level, there is something appealing about the second, because everyone knows what they are after and no one is disappointed. The money is not a real issue, considering how inexpensive it really is. The only incentive I would have to chase non-pros would be the potential difference in quality. And naturally that is as much a consequence of the talent level wherever I go as it is a matter of effort.
[QUOTE=Dveight; 1228800]Blackbeard's in DR it's not all-inclusive but much cheaper, read the response I just posted below for more info. DR has a whole bunch of all-inclusive joints like Oxygen, although it's probably the most "famous". DR is about the closest sex tourism destination to North America.
Somebody mention Casa Blanca in Medellin, I've never been, but I've never heard anything but good things and I can't wait to try the place out myself someday.
Your best bet is to read the forums for different countries and see which ones sound the most appealing and then going from there, but I always think Blackbeard's is a good place to start for beginners. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks a lot Dveight for your useful pointers. Do you know of anything in Europe at all? I have to say I'm kinda addicted to eastern-european gals! .
[url]http://vimeo.com/33851895[/url]
If a jerk like this can lay women he meets in the street, there's hope for all of us!
The Cubanas in the featured nightclub go for $60-80, as do many other Latinas in countries without that island's oppressive police presence.
I certainly agree with BottleRocket30 that it's best to see the Latin countries whilst still young, because the Asians will always be there to cater for older guys long after Caucasian women have lost interest. The libido levels of Asian women are also better-suited to andropausal males.
Hello, all.
I am a new member of the forum, and I am interested in learning from the more experienced among you, and hopefully making some good contacts. I'm not a native English speaker, apologize for any strange behavior.
I am planning a trip 2. 3 weeks from mid March until beginning of April (including the Eastern holidays). I'm 33 years old, but usually people guess I am around 27.
After having traveled to Venezuela, Brasil, Colombia and Aruba, I am looking for a new Latin adventure. My criteria:
1. Chicas.
I like thin or skinny girls, rather than the classical curvy Latin. I know, I would find more in Asia or Eastern Europe, but nevertheless I found some in the above mentioned countries and I am looking forward for another Latin adventure. I am also open to a longer relationship, so if it is a good girl, I might invite her to my home country.
2. My complexity.
I like good nightlife and clubbing, e. G. Like in Floripa, Brazil, Cali, Colombia or Isla Margaritha, Venezuela. As I am 33, not too bad looking and in a good shape, I prefer to try to get a girl for free, instead of paying. But as I am very picky, shy, not dancing salsa, only speaking a few words Spanish and primary focusing on the most beautiful ones, I don't mind to pay if it does not work out after the first 2 nights, which is frankly speaking mostly the case.
3. Value.
I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either.
4. Trip.
I would like to see some locations, e. G. If I go for 3 weeks. 2 to 4 locations. This might be islands, beach places or nice cities. This depends what is has to offer. If there are excellent diving sites, must see trekkings or surfing spots for beginners, I might stay 1. 5 or 2 weeks at only this location. Sightseeing is not a must, but would be nice.
5. Accommodations.
It's not sure yet, but if I travel alone, I don't mind to stay in a good hostel in a private room. Otherwise the location is more important than the comfort, meaning it should be close to the nightlife, dive school or surf spot. Most of the time I prefer to save some money with the accommodation, so some middle class like e. G. A 3* hotel is fine. With this savings I will probably enjoy a 5* hotel or villa for 2 nights or so at the end of my trip.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel. I did quit a lot of research, also in this forum, but didn't come to a conclusion. To summarize: I'm looking for some beach holiday with the most beautiful thin girls! How are the following locations from mid March until beginning of April regarding my criteria:
A) Bay Islands, Honduras.
Be) Corn Islands, Nicaragua.
See) Puerto Viejo de Talamanca, Costa Rica.
The) Bocas del Toro, Panama.
E) Punta del Este, Uruguay.
F) Others?
Thanks for any help
long time lurker here. haven't had anything to post as my info would all have been redundant.
i'm spoiled. i live near tijuana, and often travel to montreal. tijuana is great for speedy selection and relief of stress. with a little work it can lead to some gfe. montreal has been wonderful. the standard of service is amazing. dfk, dt, bbbj all seem to be minimum service level with nearly all the wonderful ladies there.
i'm looking to spend a week of serious fun in northern / eastern europe. i'm looking for slender young open minded ladies. price is relevant, but service level is most important. i am planning this as a sort of retirement trip. i have the cash now, and may not in the future. i am torn between frankfurt, prague, and kiev. i am bilingual, but don't expect spanish to go far in any of these destinations. i want gfe like i've found in montreal. all nighters would be nice, but hourly works too. i'm not interested in trying for freebies, i manage to make friends with providers for as long as i want it to last. i've managed to turn a couple hours in the tijuana clubs into long weekends in the past.
which of these destinations is most likely to get me what i'm looking for? where else should i consider? what contact strategy would you use. the fkk scene doesn't sound like what i'm looking for. more likely escorts, or a club scene.
[quote=romanystar; 1235655]long time lurker here. haven't had anything to post as my info would all have been redundant.
i'm spoiled. i live near tijuana, and often travel to montreal. tijuana is great for speedy selection and relief of stress. with a little work it can lead to some gfe. montreal has been wonderful. the standard of service is amazing. dfk, dt, bbbj all seem to be minimum service level with nearly all the wonderful ladies there.
i'm looking to spend a week of serious fun in northern / eastern europe. i'm looking for slender young open minded ladies. price is relevant, but service level is most important. i am planning this as a sort of retirement trip. i have the cash now, and may not in the future. i am torn between frankfurt, prague, and kiev. i am bilingual, but don't expect spanish to go far in any of these destinations. i want gfe like i've found in montreal. all nighters would be nice, but hourly works too. i'm not interested in trying for freebies, i manage to make friends with providers for as long as i want it to last. i've managed to turn a couple hours in the tijuana clubs into long weekends in the past.
which of these destinations is most likely to get me what i'm looking for? where else should i consider? what contact strategy would you use. the fkk scene doesn't sound like what i'm looking for. more likely escorts, or a club scene.[/quote]medellin, colombia half the travel time, half the cost, and gfe pretty easy to find, and spanish goes a loooong way
@58TweedleD and all Senior members.
I know my requirements are challenging, but I can't believe to not get any recommendations. Therefore I here in a shorter version:
I am planning a trip for around 3 weeks from mid March until beginning of April (including the Eastern holidays). I'm 33 years old, but usually people guess I am around 27.
After having traveled to Venezuela, Brasil, Colombia and Aruba, I am looking for a new Latin adventure. My criteria:
1. Chicas.
I like thin or skinny girls, rather than the classical curvy Latin. I know, I would find more in Asia or Eastern Europe, but nevertheless I found some in the above mentioned countries and I am looking forward for another Latin adventure. I am also open to a longer relationship, so if it is a good girl, I might invite her to my home country.
2. My complexity.
I like good nightlife and clubbing, e. G. Like in Floripa in Brazil, Cali in Colombia or Isla Margaritha in Venezuela. I'm not too bad looking and in a good shape, I prefer to try to get a girl for free, instead of paying. But as I am very picky, shy, not dancing salsa, only speaking a few words Spanish and primary focusing on the most beautiful ones, I don't mind to pay if it does not work out after the first 2 nights, which is frankly speaking mostly the case.
3. Value.
I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either.
I'd love recommendations on where I should travel. I did quit a lot of research, also in this forum, but didn't come to a conclusion. To summarize: I'm looking for some beach holiday with the most beautiful thin girls! How are the following locations from mid March until beginning of April regarding my criteria:
- Cuba.
- Bay Islands, Honduras.
- Corn Islands, Nicaragua.
- Puerto Viejo de Talamanca, Costa Rica.
- Bocas del Toro, Panama.
- Veracruz, Morelia, Guanajuato, Puerto Escondido or Playa del Carmen, Mexico.
- Others?
Thanks for any help
[QUOTE=Tom1978; 1242942]I'm not made of money. I am a working professional, so I can afford to have a good time, but I don't want to be overpaying either.
- Playa del Carmen, Mexico.[/QUOTE]Playa del Carmen has a nice beach and you might have good luck picking up a tourist at a nightclub, but P4P is limited and very expensive. The beach in Puerto Vallarta isn't as nice, but there are more nightclubs and it is possible to get thin girls for a decent price if you know where to look (read the thread). It is easy to get by with just English. However, since you are "very picky", you might have to overpay. Prices in Mexico will be higher than those other places you have been.
Thanks John Dough, Mexico is still one of my favorite. After some more research, I think Cuba is another option, as there seem to be more thin girls than in Mexico. I know, this sounds stupid, but I have to be honest and I'm really into the thin ones.
[quote=romanystar; 1235655]long time lurker here. haven't had anything to post as my info would all have been redundant.
i'm spoiled. i live near tijuana, and often travel to montreal. tijuana is great for speedy selection and relief of stress. with a little work it can lead to some gfe. montreal has been wonderful. the standard of service is amazing. dfk, dt, bbbj all seem to be minimum service level with nearly all the wonderful ladies there.
i'm looking to spend a week of serious fun in northern / eastern europe. i'm looking for slender young open minded ladies. price is relevant, but service level is most important. i am planning this as a sort of retirement trip. i have the cash now, and may not in the future. i am torn between frankfurt, prague, and kiev. i am bilingual, but don't expect spanish to go far in any of these destinations. i want gfe like i've found in montreal. all nighters would be nice, but hourly works too. i'm not interested in trying for freebies, i manage to make friends with providers for as long as i want it to last. i've managed to turn a couple hours in the tijuana clubs into long weekends in the past.
which of these destinations is most likely to get me what i'm looking for? where else should i consider? what contact strategy would you use. the fkk scene doesn't sound like what i'm looking for. more likely escorts, or a club scene.[/quote]yes you are a bit spoiled as i too walk across the border and have a ton of fun in tijuana. just a pain walking back into the us! i actually love the fkk clubs in germany. can spend a whole day there, with free food and soft drinks included. fkk oase & fkk world are great. mainhattan in downtown is no big deal. i went to prague and onlytried the popular strip clubs which was pretty good. pick a girl and go upstairs to a room. going to kiev in 2 weeks so i'll update you after that trip. i like costa rica, and dominican republic too. not sure if you like asian girls, but in my opinion, the best gfe is philippines #1 and thailand #2. drive up to lax and take a flight over and try both in a 1 week trip. go non-stop to seoul korean and then catch a flight to angeles city. head to the nightlife area with bars and go-go's. sit down, have a beer, take a look and before you know it you'll find the honey of your dreams. if she doesn't find you first. you'll have a blast. they love the whole gfe scene and within less than an hour she will have you feeling like she's been your gf forever. except this gf gives you non-stop sex and loving attention. she'll spend the night, go to breakfst with you the next day, go to the mall, swim in the hotel pool, etc. she'll also just assume the she'll be your gf for your entire stay, so pick wisely. the biggest problem you'll have is trying to figure out how to shake her lose if you decide you want to try another girl. then plan for a flight over to bkk from ac or manila. land in bkk and immediately take a metered taxi from the airport to pattaya. much better than bkk downtown, plus it on the ocean. so many clubs, bars, go-go's, mps, etc. you'll easily find a nice gf to spend a few days with. you can speak english in both countries, finding a gf is easy as everything is open. no hiding with secret, cryptic locations like so many other countries listed in the forums here, and very reasonable prices for gfs, hotels, and food. let me know if i can help further.
cheers and happy retirement!
jv
I have found an interesting chart entitled."the 10 best countries to date women", and I the like to get your opinion about it because they ranked Brazil in 7th position. Strangely, Russia comes after Ukraine. Argentina is the first latin country. However I don't often hear people speaking about Argentina as a nice place for STR. Culturally speaking, I thought argentinian women were close to european women.
Here is the chart.
1. Ukraine.
2. Russia.
3. Estonia.
4. Argentina.
5. Dominican republic.
6. Colombia.
7. Brazil.
8. Japan.
9. New Zealand.
10. Israel.
Here is the link.
[url]http://www.artofpickingup.net/2007/08/10-best-countries-to-pick-up-girls.html[/url]
Not sure where else to post this.
I'm wondering in which countries working girls are most open to taking pictures and / or videos.
I've never had much of a problem taking pics or videos in Dominican Republic, Thailand, Philippines, Nicaragua. Usually a lot tougher in South Korea and Cambodia; at least in my experience. I find non-pros most willing in Japan and America.
It's hard to go by the photo galleries here, because that can be about popularity, cost, etc.
What is your experience?
JohnnyVegas, If I EVER do the asian scene which someday I hope to, I swear Ill only need your post. You just planned out the whole trip and made it look so doable! Thanks!
[QUOTE=JohnnyVegas; 1246276]Yes you are a bit spoiled as I too walk across the border and have a ton of fun in Tijuana. Just a pain walking back into the US! I actually love the FKK clubs in Germany. Can spend a whole day there, with free food and soft drinks included. FKK Oase & FKK World are great. Mainhattan in downtown is no big deal. I went to Prague and onlytried the popular strip clubs which was pretty good. Pick a girl and go upstairs to a room. Going to Kiev in 2 weeks so I'll update you after that trip. I like Costa Rica, and Dominican Republic too. Not sure if you like Asian girls, but in my opinion, the best GFE is Philippines #1 and Thailand #2. Drive up to LAX and take a flight over and try BOTH in a 1 week trip. Go non-stop to Seoul Korean and then catch a flight to Angeles City. Head to the nightlife area with bars and go-go's. Sit down, have a beer, take a look and before you know it you'll find the honey of your dreams. If she doesn't find you first. You'll have a blast. They love the whole GFE scene and within less than an hour she will have you feeling like she's been your GF forever. Except this GF gives you non-stop sex and loving attention. She'll spend the night, go to breakfst with you the next day, go to the mall, swim in the hotel pool, etc. She'll also just assume the she'll be your GF for your entire stay, so pick wisely. The biggest problem you'll have is trying to figure out how to shake her lose if you decide you want to try another girl. Then plan for a flight over to BKK from AC or Manila. Land in BKK and immediately take a metered taxi from the airport to Pattaya. MUCH better than BKK downtown, plus it on the ocean. SO many clubs, bars, go-go's, MPs, etc. You'll easily find a nice GF to spend a few days with. You can speak English in BOTH countries, finding a GF is easy as everything is open. No hiding with secret, cryptic locations like so many other countries listed in the forums here, and very reasonable prices for GFs, hotels, and food. Let me know if I can help further.
Cheers and Happy Retirement!
JV[/QUOTE]
Hi folks. I am new here, and I've mongered in the land of FKK clubs (Germany) , and my next step is to look for freebees. Which European country do you guys think is the best for that? If it turns into a LTR I would mind it as long as we have great chemistry. I am from the US, and I think European women are very attractive. I've only met girls at FKK clubs, and have witness the sexy German girls in Frankfurt. European girls are so much sexier than American girls IMO. I think Dutch girls are sexy, and haven't been to EE countries. I am looking for countries that have plenty of hot european girls that are easy to pick up. Where would you guys suggest?
Although I have not been to EE, I am attracted to Dutch and Scandinavian type visuals.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1262271]Hi folks. I am new here, and I've mongered in the land of FKK clubs (Germany) , and my next step is to look for freebees. Which European country do you guys think is the best for that? If it turns into a LTR I would mind it as long as we have great chemistry. I am from the US, and I think European women are very attractive. I've only met girls at FKK clubs, and have witness the sexy German girls in Frankfurt. European girls are so much sexier than American girls IMO. I think Dutch girls are sexy, and haven't been to EE countries. I am looking for countries that have plenty of hot european girls that are easy to pick up. Where would you guys suggest?
Although I have not been to EE, I am attracted to Dutch and Scandinavian type visuals.[/QUOTE]If you have time and energy to invest, you should try Ukraine or other EE countries.
The girls are Slavic types, lots of blondes, long legs and big breasts.
Many girls in the major cities speak some (to excellent) English and there are lots of P4P options while you are waiting for your freebies to ripen.
In the smaller towns it is tougher because not so many speak English, but there is more of a "white god" factor.
Throughout Eastern Europe there is a dearth of eligible "normal" men, so western men have a lot of appeal.
[QUOTE=Nishu617; 1276476]Hi senior members.
Can someone guide me the best country for picking up blondes that too way cheap like in Thailand.
Is keiv prices cheap?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I think you should consider Latvia, Estonia, lithuania and estonia. Those places are very impacted by crisis and that's the poorest countries of Europe. On the other hand, Ukrainia suffers from speculation because lots of mongers go there. Plus, lots of ukrainian pros or semi pro travel to London or netherlands to make money. I guarantee you tall blond girls in those countries.
For some reasons, all the ukrainian women I met were very arrogant and far away from any girlfriend experience. Actually, there were the most arrogant and provided the worst service as compared to all other girls nationalities I tried. I tried lots of ukrainian pros and I have been disappointed as compared to what I tried in general. On average, Service quality was below Russian, Romanian, bulgarian, hungarish, latvian, Chinese.
I have seen here on this forum some kind of propaganda from some people who said that Estonia, latvia and lithuania are not places to go. I think those people don't want people to monger in those countries.
It is not possible to compare Thailand to those european countries. Nevertheless, there is a chance for you to get a tall blond girl freebie as well. Many guys go there for freebies also.
Hope it helps.
[QUOTE=Nishu617; 1276476]Hi senior members.
Can someone guide me the best country for picking up blondes that too way cheap like in Thailand.
Is keiv prices cheap?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Kiev girls will cost you 10 times the price of Thailand freelance girls.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1276990]I think you should consider Latvia, Estonia, lithuania and estonia. Those places are very impacted by crisis and that's the poorest countries of Europe. On the other hand, Ukrainia suffers from speculation because lots of mongers go there. Plus, lots of ukrainian pros or semi pro travel to London or netherlands to make money. I guarantee you tall blond girls in those countries.
For some reasons, all the ukrainian women I met were very arrogant and far away from any girlfriend experience. Actually, there were the most arrogant and provided the worst service as compared to all other girls nationalities I tried. I tried lots of ukrainian pros and I have been disappointed as compared to what I tried in general. On average, Service quality was below Russian, Romanian, bulgarian, hungarish, latvian, Chinese.
I have seen here on this forum some kind of propaganda from some people who said that Estonia, latvia and lithuania are not places to go. I think those people don't want people to monger in those countries.
It is not possible to compare Thailand to those european countries. Nevertheless, there is a chance for you to get a tall blond girl freebie as well. Many guys go there for freebies also.
Hope it helps.[/QUOTE]Hello Henri,
Amazing. My experience has been exactly the opposite of yours. Hungarian girls cold, Romanian girls extremely bad.
Kiev girls quite good. FSU girls from provinces extremely sweet and passionate (Kaliningrad, Chernigov, Barnaul, Zaporije, Donetsk).
One exception, Odessa girls were calculating and scheming.
What I have read on this forum is that Riga and Tallin have been spoiled by hordes of British going there for stag parties.
Regards.
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy; 1278595]Hello Henri,
Amazing. My experience has been exactly the opposite of yours. Hungarian girls cold, Romanian girls extremely bad.
Kiev girls quite good. FSU girls from provinces extremely sweet and passionate (Kaliningrad, Chernigov, Barnaul, Zaporije, Donetsk).
One exception, Odessa girls were calculating and scheming.
What I have read on this forum is that Riga and Tallin have been spoiled by hordes of British going there for stag parties.
Regards.[/QUOTE]What you say is very interesting because I must admit I also had bad experience with Hungarian women and Romanian women. I just needed to recall my past experiences as it happened through several years. I had 2 bad experiences with ukrainian women but those experiences were so bad so that I only remembered thos ones.
Now I remember that Hungarian had a very strong ego and there were very cold. In fact, I remember now that arrogance of my Hungarian experience was bigger than my ukrainian experience. It was even bigger than a western european woman. They wanted to castrate men.
I remember that one Hungarian woman did not want me to touch her hair during sex. Carress was not ok. Hopefully I succeeded in cumming her mouth but she was not happy about it. It was like a cultural thing. Bimbo Boy, I don't know if you noticed it but Hungarian women are very much gold diggers. They want you to spend money.
I also must admit than Romania is the Rip-off land. I don't know why. Once again, sex was cold. Not really GFE. I am surprised Romania is so much different with other european country from girls culture point of view.
Nevertheless, my best sex was with a latvian and an estonian who had the Russian babe doll body.
Can anyone tell me of any places in EE with abundant cheap, curvy butt girls? They don't have to have a nordic or blonde look like many posters are after, brunettes are just fine with me I'm interested more in nice curvy butts. I've RTFF but the precise answer still alludes me.
I'm just looking for a place somewhat similar to Pattaya or Sosua, that is cheap (by euro standards obviously, below 80 Euros) and has many cute girls, preferably within an hour of a beach. Ukraine is out of the question, but would Bulgaria, Romania, Estonia, or Albania have anything kind of sort-of like I described? I'm planning a summer trip so any info from the veterans is appreciated, thanks.
Does anyone know if the financial crisis has made Greek (or Spanish or Portuguese) girls more amenable to peddling their assets?
Given that youth unemployment is around 50% in some of these countries, you would think so. But in some cultures it does not happen that easily.
I might be going to Greece for a bit, but the Greece forums here are pretty dead.
And the sexy parts of Greece seem to be either gay, or at least intramural (hot girls seeking hot guys).
I am looking for someplace with impoverished students trying to make ends meet, by making ends meet.
Any comments?
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1281616]Does anyone know if the financial crisis has made Greek (or Spanish or Portuguese) girls more amenable to peddling their assets?
Given that youth unemployment is around 50% in some of these countries, you would think so. But in some cultures it does not happen that easily.
I might be going to Greece for a bit, but the Greece forums here are pretty dead.
And the sexy parts of Greece seem to be either gay, or at least intramural (hot girls seeking hot guys).
I am looking for someplace with impoverished students trying to make ends meet, by making ends meet.
Any comments?[/QUOTE]The beaches with sexy naked (impoverished) students are practically everywhere. How many girls you want to have in your apartment?
[url]http://www.hiddenvoyeurspy.com/519/free-sexy-candid-camera-sexy-voyeur-girls-video-photos.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Antigonos; 1286917]Here are some more exambles of impoverished students and how they deal with poverty.
[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xby8g_GV1964_greek-nude/1#video=xjhl9z[/url][/QUOTE]Are you just shilling for video web-sites, or do you have real information?
I don't doubt there are lots of sexy girls on topless beaches in Greece, but the question is whether they are accessible to middle-aged foreign guys.
My impression is that much of the scene is a sort of "mutual admiration society". Hot girls are looking for hot young guys.
I am looking for places where hot girls are looking for economic advantage.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1287079]Are you just shilling for video web-sites, or do you have real information?
I don't doubt there are lots of sexy girls on topless beaches in Greece, but the question is whether they are accessible to middle-aged foreign guys.
My impression is that much of the scene is a sort of "mutual admiration society". Hot girls are looking for hot young guys.
I am looking for places where hot girls are looking for economic advantage.[/QUOTE]Practically every hot spot (beaches, beach bars, restaurants etc) are places filled with girls that are looking for economic advantage. There's no a particular spot, actually is all the spots. At the end is up to you.
Hello Guys,
I will have a 10 days off between 10-20 July. I consider to come to to Rio but I am confused after reading these closed Terma news.
Is it a good time to come there?
I am also curious about weather. Rain, too much hot or something else?
Actually if you have other recommendations I am ready to listen you.
I am looking for somewhere for a ten day holiday.
My criterias are;
1) Cheap P4P and daily life, low hotel costs and other expenses.
2) Nice Sun and beach.
3) Big city (I don't want to spend time in a little village like Pattaya)
4) Great potential for Freebies.
5) Nice clubs, both like disco adult clubs terms etc etc.
I have been in Thailand, Russia, Chech Rep, so I eliminate these choices.
Philippines is also eliminated because I am not so much into short, child looking, dark skinned asians. (don't take it personal.)
Note; I live in Turkey so I will have a high flight ticket price but low daily life costs I think will compensate it.
Anyway at the end I can't decide.
Please help.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1298906]Note; I live in Turkey so I will have a high flight ticket price but low daily life costs I think will compensate it.
Anyway at the end I can't decide.
Please help.[/QUOTE]Maybe you'd like to consider Cap D'Agde in southern France as an alternative. The flight ticket price may be not that high and compensate for more expensive daily life cost. Sex should be available for free, judging from the stories I hear about this region and the Port Nature naturist location. But I have no first hand experience about that, only hearsay.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1298957]Maybe you'd like to consider Cap D'Agde in southern France as an alternative. The flight ticket price may be not that high and compensate for more expensive daily life cost. Sex should be available for free, judging from the stories I hear about this region and the Port Nature naturist location. But I have no first hand experience about that, only hearsay.[/QUOTE]I only speak English. I think it would be a problematic.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1299065]I only speak English. I think it would be a problematic.[/QUOTE]I don't think a lack of French (if you speak English) would be a problem in the south of France. But game would be. You list as your first requirement (of many) cheap P4P. I don't think you'll find that in Cap D'Agde. And despite the liberal attitudes there, I wouldn't count on Freebies unless you have game. In other words, if you can easily pull girls of your liking at home, you may have an easier time in the South of France. But if you have to pay for sex at home don't expect it to be different abroad.
I have never been to Rio, but based on your list of requirements it seems like the logical choice.
[QUOTE=Errol Flynn; 1309591]I don't think a lack of French (if you speak English) would be a problem in the south of France. But game would be. You list as your first requirement (of many) cheap P4P. I don't think you'll find that in Cap D'Agde. And despite the liberal attitudes there, I wouldn't count on Freebies unless you have game. In other words, if you can easily pull girls of your liking at home, you may have an easier time in the South of France. But if you have to pay for sex at home don't expect it to be different abroad.
I have never been to Rio, but based on your list of requirements it seems like the logical choice.[/QUOTE]I have never been to Cap D'Agde myself, so everything I write about it is hearsay.
And I think too that english will suffice in such a place, since there seem to be people from all over the continent at this nudist resort. As for the cost of p4p, I guess you'll have to pay the entrance fees of the Swingerclubs as you have to do everywhere else. Aside from that, I don't think that there is any p4p happening there at all. But there should be a lot of Freebies available if you are into Gangbang-action. Especially in the dunes seems to be a lot of action going on; on the beach as well, as long as the police don't interfere. And Gangbang-Natascha, who should be there right now until the 10th of August fucks everybody anyway, so one freebie is practically guaranteed at this moment.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1309849]I have never been to Cap D'Agde myself, so everything I write about it is hearsay.[/QUOTE]I have been there. Language is not a problem at all.
[QUOTE=Great Wall;1312244]I have been there. Language is not a problem at all.[/QUOTE]Would you care to share your experiences with us? I'm still waiting on more first hand info about the action at Cap D'Agde.
I have a 3 week trip coming up in January. I would like to go to a different country this time to see the world not only for putas. I speak spanish at a moderate level, I can have a conversation.
I like women with big asses.
I was looking into maybe Brazil, or Spain. I would really like to go to Spain. Any other suggestions for good places for travel and sex? Europe?
With decent prices as well!
Thanks guys.
[QUOTE=Mr OReilly; 1313327]I have a 3 week trip coming up in January. I would like to go to a different country this time to see the world not only for putas. I speak spanish at a moderate level, I can have a conversation.
I like women with big asses.
I was looking into maybe Brazil, or Spain. I would really like to go to Spain. Any other suggestions for good places for travel and sex? Europe?
With decent prices as well!
Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Is Germany an option for you? Decent prices depends on what you are looking for, so you need to post some more information aside from looking for big asses. Do you like gangbang and or public group action or has it to be one-on-one single service? BareBack or rubber? Private Swingers or solely working girls? If you don't speak any German, but decent english, it should be no problem to at least confer with most of the clubs' management people.
Ones with big asses I can think of right now are two of the five I fucked yesterday at the "Bad Girls" bareback party in Krefeld: Maria and Celine. Report about that will appear in the Krefeld AO Party thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum. In the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread you can find a "Kontakt24" link to an ad from this place in the latest partylist. Price for this particular party was 70 Euros for fucking 5 women bareback as often as you like within 11 hours, along with the other guys of course, no closed doors, joining in allowed and wanted. Although rare yesterday, because there were not that many guys there. The first hours I was alone with the women. Oh, and some food and softdrinks are also included in the price.
[QUOTE=Mr OReilly; 1313327]I like women with big asses.
I was looking into maybe Brazil, or Spain. I would really like to go to Spain.[/QUOTE]I was just in Spain not too long ago, it's not easy to find girls with big asses there.
Brazil is not as cheap as it used to be, and most girls with the really amazing round big asses are in Salvador the Bahia, and I don't think it's too easy of a place for a first visit to Brazil.
Just go to the Dominican Republic, and you'll be in heaven. Big asses, good value for the cost compared to Brazil, and they speak Spanish there, which you are conversational in.
I hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Mr OReilly; 1313327]I have a 3 week trip coming up in January. I would like to go to a different country this time to see the world not only for putas. I speak spanish at a moderate level, I can have a conversation.
I like women with big asses.
I was looking into maybe Brazil, or Spain. I would really like to go to Spain. Any other suggestions for good places for travel and sex? Europe?
With decent prices as well!
Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Great pricing, Attractive Chicas in abundance, Great tourist infrastructure, Short flight from anywhere in the U. S, If you got any game at all girlfriends freebies are possible [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxHQO1kXFng[/url]
[QUOTE=TweedleD; 1335877]Great pricing, Attractive Chicas in abundance, Great tourist infrastructure, Short flight from anywhere in the U. S, If you got any game at all girlfriends freebies are possible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxHQO1kXFng[/url][/QUOTE]Amigo, can't you keep a secret? It's true what they say: "The only problem with Colombia is that you never want to leave." I'll put the women of Medellin against any in the world. But, don't tell anyone about Medellin, please.
Only good energy!
[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1335927]Amigo, can't you keep a secret? It's true what they say: "The only problem with Colombia is that you never want to leave." I'll put the women of Medellin against any in the world. But, don't tell anyone about Medellin, please.
Only good energy![/QUOTE]Medellin girls are cute. I will give you that. But their prices are not low and their attitudes are really shitty. It is like they are doing you favors by taking their money. This is generally true and has exceptions. Medellin has great food and has an urban (non-ghetto) feel. Also has a bit of art and history. So generally a good place to travel but not for chicas.
When it comes down to sheer debauchery and wild chicas Dominican Republic is amazing. Thailand and other places in the world are good too. But before dozens of guys start booking tickets for Medellin.
Medellin is definitely in my top 10 but not in the the top 3 for sure.
[QUOTE=Sympalogy; 1328863]I was just in Spain not too long ago, it's not easy to find girls with big asses there.
Brazil is not as cheap as it used to be, and most girls with the really amazing round big asses are in Salvador the Bahia, and I don't think it's too easy of a place for a first visit to Brazil.
Just go to the Dominican Republic, and you'll be in heaven. Big asses, good value for the cost compared to Brazil, and they speak Spanish there, which you are conversational in.
I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Yes asses in DR are not just large but giant assess also available for next to nothing.
The local Dominican chicas are playful, puta-like and easily put out. The Haitianas are more desperate (poor) , have great bodies but more demure in bed (especially if they are new to the business).
If you like your asses big and round and do not want to spend more than US$ 100-120 a day in total (including hotel, drinks) then DR is your port of call.
[QUOTE=MS Clive; 1339974]Yes asses in DR are not just large but giant assess also available for next to nothing.
The local Dominican chicas are playful, puta-like and easily put out. The Haitianas are more desperate (poor) , have great bodies but more demure in bed (especially if they are new to the business).
If you like your asses big and round and do not want to spend more than US$ 100-120 a day in total (including hotel, drinks) then DR is your port of call.[/QUOTE]At the same time in greece a new breed of hookers-students arise.
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I have heard a rumor that for men that like women who swallow cum then Ukraine and Russia are the best places. Has anyone here been to these countries can confirm that the women from these countries are that kinky with or not. I would like to go there and bang a few pros and non-pros from there. I have always had a thing for FSU women.
Thanks
Yes, you come close to paradise now. Door one unlocked with wisdom!
[QUOTE=Master Yoda; 1350350]I have heard a rumor that for men that like women who swallow cum then Ukraine and Russia are the best places. Has anyone here been to these countries can confirm that the women from these countries are that kinky with or not. I would like to go there and bang a few pros and non-pros from there. I have always had a thing for FSU women.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
So can I get more info on Eastern europe and if its popular to do cim there? Which are the best places to go?
[QUOTE=Master Yoda;1355955]So can I get more info on Eastern europe and if its popular to do cim there? Which are the best places to go?[/QUOTE]If you are specifically dedicated to having them swallow your cum, then some gangbang-events in Germany should work for you too if you don't mind the public groupsex action.
[url]www.zhuzha.de[/url]
[url]www.gb01.tv[/url]
[url]www.spermagames.com[/url]
All depending to the women that will be there. It should happen regularly with Zhuzha, MiaBitch, Manuela, Melanie Moon, Arabella May and everybody who ever participated in any GGG-movie. Check the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread in the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum here on ISG for more. Also:
[url]www.melaniemoon.com[/url]
[url]www.gb-bukkake.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1281616]Does anyone know if the financial crisis has made Greek (or Spanish or Portuguese) girls more amenable to peddling their assets?
Given that youth unemployment is around 50% in some of these countries, you would think so. But in some cultures it does not happen that easily.
I might be going to Greece for a bit, but the Greece forums here are pretty dead.
And the sexy parts of Greece seem to be either gay, or at least intramural (hot girls seeking hot guys).
I am looking for someplace with impoverished students trying to make ends meet, by making ends meet.
Any comments?[/QUOTE]My friend is there now, in Greece, and he says it's worse now than ever. Most of the working girls in Greece were from Russia / Ukraine, and they've gone home. (Greek girls would rather die than put out. Such is their culture.)
Hello everyone!
I wanted to throw out a question for review. I know that users on the forum often rate places for things like value and quality GFE, but I wanted to get some ideas about health safety. I have long been curious about going to the Phillipines from some hobbying fun, but have been somewhat apprehensive about, what appears to be, the high prevalence of STDs. I have visited places where people are 'tested' like Curacao, as well as more free-for-all places like Thailand. Currently, I am thinking of going to India. I understand that nothing is risk free, and that protection should always be used. But it seems to me that there are definitely different levels of risk. For example, I have no idea why someone would want to risk having fun in sub-saharan Africa.
Therefore I ask, what destination is the safest for hobbying, or alternately, what destination has the best ratio of satisfaction / risk?
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1360246]Hello everyone!
I wanted to throw out a question for review. I know that users on the forum often rate places for things like value and quality GFE, but I wanted to get some ideas about health safety. I have long been curious about going to the Phillipines from some hobbying fun, but have been somewhat apprehensive about, what appears to be, the high prevalence of STDs. I have visited places where people are 'tested' like Curacao, as well as more free-for-all places like Thailand. Currently, I am thinking of going to India. I understand that nothing is risk free, and that protection should always be used. But it seems to me that there are definitely different levels of risk. For example, I have no idea why someone would want to risk having fun in sub-saharan Africa.
Therefore I ask, what destination is the safest for hobbying, or alternately, what destination has the best ratio of satisfaction / risk?[/QUOTE]There is no such thing as safety! As you already understand yourself that nothing is risk free, there's also to such thing as 'protection', except using the safest destination for hobbying: Sitting at home with your dick in your hand watching porn.
But I'm glad that for once someone who is concerned is also putting things in perspective and asks about risk assessment. Given the blown out of porportion hysteria about STDs, I even dare to question whether sub-saharan Africa is all that dangerous as it is made to appear. Not that I'm planning on going there, there are enough pussies from nearly every continent in Germany; so there's no need for me to travel abroad.
Therefore I can give no comparative risk / satisfaction ratio for different countries. I met one guy at a bareback party in Germany who also goes to Thailand regularly for bareback action. He uses some antibiotic ointment after fucking and never had any trouble. Another one uses some antibiotic spray afterwards. Most only wash themselves, some don't even do that and run around for days with the cum of 25 different men dripping from their pussy. (And that's no joke, I took part in creampieing this pussy and overheard later that she loves to walk around for 3 days like this without washing while being fucked some more by her hubby in-between.)
But extremes aside, I'd say you will do good in Germany even for bareback groupsex and gangbangs. If you go condoms-only, that might ease your mind, but doesn't protect you from anything except experiencing the pleasure in full. Like I wrote before elsewhere, I had gotten gonorrhea over 16 years ago at a time when I had NEVER fucked without rubbers! No trouble though from the now 132 different women I barebacked in Germany in the past 10 years.
Neighbouring countries like Belgium or the Netherlands should also be no problem, although bareback options are limited there. You should be "safe" in every western european country; as for the satisfaction I can only speak about Germany. Read up in the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum for more details on satisfaction. Difficult to give advice on that when I don't know what will satisfy you specifically.
By "satisfaction," I mean the overall experience. GFE is good. Mechanical starfish or rushing / clockwatching is bad. I have no particular eccentric criteria. Protection is assumed and expected.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1360430]There is no such thing as safety! As you already understand yourself that nothing is risk free, there's also to such thing as 'protection', except using the safest destination for hobbying: Sitting at home with your dick in your hand watching porn.
But I'm glad that for once someone who is concerned is also putting things in perspective and asks about risk assessment. Given the blown out of porportion hysteria about STDs, I even dare to question whether sub-saharan Africa is all that dangerous as it is made to appear. Not that I'm planning on going there, there are enough pussies from nearly every continent in Germany; so there's no need for me to travel abroad.
Therefore I can give no comparative risk / satisfaction ratio for different countries. I met one guy at a bareback party in Germany who also goes to Thailand regularly for bareback action. He uses some antibiotic ointment after fucking and never had any trouble. Another one uses some antibiotic spray afterwards. Most only wash themselves, some don't even do that and run around for days with the cum of 25 different men dripping from their pussy. (And that's no joke, I took part in creampieing this pussy and overheard later that she loves to walk around for 3 days like this without washing while being fucked some more by her hubby in-between.)
But extremes aside, I'd say you will do good in Germany even for bareback groupsex and gangbangs. If you go condoms-only, that might ease your mind, but doesn't protect you from anything except experiencing the pleasure in full. Like I wrote before elsewhere, I had gotten gonorrhea over 16 years ago at a time when I had NEVER fucked without rubbers! No trouble though from the now 132 different women I barebacked in Germany in the past 10 years.
Neighbouring countries like Belgium or the Netherlands should also be no problem, although bareback options are limited there. You should be "safe" in every western european country; as for the satisfaction I can only speak about Germany. Read up in the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum for more details on satisfaction. Difficult to give advice on that when I don't know what will satisfy you specifically.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Manny51;1360585]By "satisfaction," I mean the overall experience. GFE is good. Mechanical starfish or rushing / clockwatching is bad. I have no particular eccentric criteria. Protection is assumed and expected.[/QUOTE]I agree with mechanical and rushing being bad. The rushing should not happen at Partytreffs, since you pay the flatrate price upfront and there will be no additional charge. Quality and GFE will depend on the women. You can use condoms everywhere, even at bareback venues, except maybe some filmed events.
Some options which I heard good things about: Dolce Vita in Raubach, Grimberg-Sauna in Gelsenkirchen, Villa Venus in Duisburg, Club Angelique in Viersen, Bernds Sauna Club in Hennef.
What I know first hand: Eva-Freundin in Mönchengladbach; I know them from the parties they do twice a month.
All those are regularly pay-per-sessions locations, some with special offers like '3x fun for 120 Euros', you can find the locations and weblinks on my AO map:
[url]http://goo.gl/maps/Rk0pE[/url]
If you're looking for parties or gangbang, the map might also help, aside from that the following for condom-gangbangs and parties; the first two in Germany, the other two in Belgium:
[url]www.zhuzha.de[/url]/[url]www.saskia-farell.com[/url]/[url]www.sexslavinnen.eu[/url]/[url]www.gangbangsluts.be[/url]
For German Partytreffs have a look at Wanking's Partytreff map; the link is in his thread in the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum.
And now my usual advice to new regular members: Please don't quote entire reports that can be read directly underneath for just a short reply. It clutters up the forum needlessly. Just pick a line or two which you are referring to; that will suffice for the quote.
Sorry about that! I am a newbie. I have posted reports before, but never responded to one. Thanks for responding to mine.
BTW, I have posted this question in both the "safe sex" and "STR" forum areas. It both surprises and worries me that so few have chimed in and responded. I thought that it would be a welcome and interesting topic of discussion, as opposed to the "Penthouse Letters" style of some posters. For those who are not aware, the new multi-drug resistant strains of some STDs are spreading fast.
[quote]And now my usual advice to new regular members: Please don't quote entire reports that can be read directly underneath for just a short reply. It clutters up the forum needlessly. Just pick a line or two which you are referring to; that will suffice for the quote.[/QUOTE]
Hello I will have a 5 days vacation in the end of April. I have been in Russia-Ukraine-Chech Rep-France. I have schengen visa so I want to spend these 5 days somewhere in Europe. I am interested in Freebie scene but it s also important to find some reasonable price P4P when I can't catch anything. I am considering Poland or Spain or Germany? What would be your advice?
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1406556]Hello I will have a 5 days vacation in the end of April. I have been in Russia-Ukraine-Chech Rep-France. I have schengen visa so I want to spend these 5 days somewhere in Europe. I am interested in Freebie scene but it s also important to find some reasonable price P4P when I can't catch anything. I am considering Poland or Spain or Germany? What would be your advice?[/QUOTE]Germany would be the best in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1406556]Hello I will have a 5 days vacation in the end of April. I have been in Russia-Ukraine-Chech Rep-France. I have schengen visa so I want to spend these 5 days somewhere in Europe. I am interested in Freebie scene but it s also important to find some reasonable price P4P when I can't catch anything. I am considering Poland or Spain or Germany? What would be your advice?[/QUOTE]Spain is good for reasonable price P4P in Madrid. Nevertheless, in Spain, you will not get any opportunities with freebies as local women are very closed off. Spanish brothels are very high standard, especially in Madrid. You will get there girls from Romania, South america and eastern Europe. I think about El stark in madrid for instance.
In Germany, you got the FKK clubs but I find the ladies quality below spanish brothels. Plus, in Germany, as for any countries in western europe, there is no opportunities for Freebies.
In Poland, I know there are opportunities with freebies, I have met many open minded and accessible Polish women. Nevertheless, I don't know anything about P4P in poland.
Since you give more importance to freebies I would advise you to go to Poland because that's the place where you will have much more opportunities with freebies. I lived in Germany and Spain, and today I consider the freebies scene to be dead in those countries.
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[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1406713]Spain is good for reasonable price P4P in Madrid. Nevertheless, in Spain, you will not get any opportunities with freebies as local women are very closed off. Spanish brothels are very high standard, especially in Madrid. You will get there girls from Romania, South america and eastern Europe. I think about El stark in madrid for instance.
In Germany, you got the FKK clubs but I find the ladies quality below spanish brothels. Plus, in Germany, as for any countries in western europe, there is no opportunities for Freebies.
In Poland, I know there are opportunities with freebies, I have met many open minded and accessible Polish women. Nevertheless, I don't know anything about P4P in poland.
Since you give more importance to freebies I would advise you to go to Poland because that's the place where you will have much more opportunities with freebies. I lived in Germany and Spain, and today I consider the freebies scene to be dead in those countries.[/QUOTE]Thanks for help Dufresne. I am considering Poland at the moment. Maybe I take the train from Warsaw to Berlin for the last two days of my trip. Another point that I think is Warsaw is a little city and I live in Istanbul so maybe I get bored. Berlin is a metropol. Anyway maybe I shouldn't think that much. Maybe I just try moscow again. I don't know. For people here I want to share my experiences. I have been in Thailand-Check Rep-Ukraine-Russia-Azerbaijan-Italy-France-China Best of all like all mongerers would agree with me Thailand and Russia. Everyone can have their own opinions depending on their own preferrations. Thailand isn't a so attractive place for me despite very low P4P prices and plus freebie opportunities because of their dark and childish look. Russia is very cold in winter and a second point is; I want to be somewhere that I have never been. It looks like Brasil is the best choice (I made a long research on Forum) but it's simply 13 hour flight for me so for 5 days it impossible. Many people would ask why I don't go to Ukraine just one and a half hour. Because both Kiev and Odessa are full of sharks (You are a sex tourist huh!) But I advise people to go the insider and undiscovered places of Ukraine like Kharkov. Me and a friend had spend 3 days there. It's a student city and my friend had scored there 2 days one after the other. In moscow I had even scored in Real Mccoy Moscow (&305; t's closed BTW) so Moscow is one of the best in means of Frebie I guess. My consideration about Warsaw is it must be a very very little and calm city so it's possible to get bored ther. I don't know I am still comparing the alternatives. So any of you have any opinions please share. I am open to discussions.
A question for experienced Asia hands:
I think we can all agree that LOS and PI are the best mongering destinations in Asia, if not the world. But what if those two places, for whatever reason, were off limits? What are the next best choices?
To put it another way, if you were to go on a one-week mongering trip anywhere in East Asia except the two mentioned countries, where would you go, taking into account mongering cost and availability, but not travel costs?
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1411132]Thanks for the info Punter. I am 34 years old. You are right it's not easy to understand in Thailand who is pro who is semi-pro neither in Ukraine. If the girls doesn't ask for money before or after sex I suppose she's a freebie. I had tried La pachanga salsa club in Paris and I came across a friend from Istanbul and he picked up a Chinese freely. Anyway if I could be a bit smarter and calm or in a good mood maybe I could also score there. I danced with maybe 10 girls or and after a certain time they were drunk and very much tolerative against my abuses. Also if I was 20-30 why. O and good looking I would definitely score in the club below the king george bridge that I go for a electronic music concert. Anyway. This is another issue. Now I am considering to go somewhere in Europe. It would be Berlin most probably. Atl least I can find may choices for P4P if can't score in a disco. I think freebie scene discussions is very weak in this forum and I understand why it is (this forum is dedicated to P4P) so if any of you have experiences please share. Especially for Europe. I also consider to go Warsaw but I am not sure. BR.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?661-Paris&p=1411132&viewfull=1#post1411132[/url]
Since I've seen this discussion, surfing on the forums, I reply to you in this thread, which is much more appropriated. Well, you talked about Germany, and Berlin specifically. For my experience, Berlin is the mongers' heaven in Europe by now. I usually go to Berlin, and honestly, I spend my time from brothel to brothel. Check the forum on Berlin, which is full of informations. But, for my experience, Berlin has been a waste of time for the freebie scene. Anyway, the nightlife in Berlin is more or less everywhere, many clubs in the neighborhood of Mitte or Kreuzberg or close to them. Some clubs are the Matrix, Metropol, Sage Club, etc. But, as I said, I consider a waste of time searching for freebie with the tons of brothels, escort, and so on in Berlin.
You just tried Paris. Ok. One awful country both for P4P and freebie is Italy. This is due by the bad attitude of Italian women generally speaking and by the awful, overpriced, monotonous P4P scene. I wrote some report in that section. At least, in Spain you have much more choice for P4P, like in the puticlub, brothels, massage parlors.
The worst countries for sex in Europe are, IMHO the Scandinavian states. I know, it should be sound weird, but having been in Oslo, Stockholm, Goteburg, etc. I can say that in the end I wanted to shoot myself in the head. The girls were played hard to get, and the poor mongers are persecuted by the law if busted with the pros. And finally is very difficult the access to the service.
Honestly, I'm not so experienced of the Eastern Europe, but in Romania in Bucarest and Timisoara I picked up a couple of semi-pros and P4P. In Timisoara I asked to the receptionist of my hotel to find me a good P4P. Prague is interesting because is a wonderful city and because of its brothels and privat, whereas in Budapest I noticed a lot of sharks and traps. So the scene in Budapest may be more complicated. In Warsaw are famous some discos such as Platinum (also with overpriced freelance) , Opera, Paparazzi, Mirage all situated in centre. For 'institutionalized' P4P, is famous Villa Rosa. Maybe consider Krakow in Poland. I never went there, but I read interesting news, also for P4P.
For the question freebie / P4P in LOS. I honestly think that beside gogo, massage parlors and beer bars, the 90% of the so called 'freebie' who go with the farangs basically are freelance / semi-pro, so they go for money and making up their incomes. It always the same story, with receptionists, female university students, shop assistants or waitresses. Maybe sometimes you can find the girl a bit more shy, or who doesn't ask you directly the severance tax, but I usually left the due in order to avoid misunderstandings, more take care and to become a sponsor. Sooner or later a sick relative or a family disgrace always happen.
Since BKK is a great megalopolis the freebie may happen more often, but the more touristic is a place, the more P4P you find, such as in Phuket, Koh Samui, not to mention Pattaya, a city built for mongers, where is mathematically impossible the freebie.
For the question about the forum, I'the rather not talk too much about freebie. As I wrote, that's because it depends on the individual skills and on situations that may occur. The only requirement is to be the right person at the right time. A report on freebie is too much subjective and arbitrary to be useful for others users. I personally left another forum with the simultaneous presence of freebie / P4P reports, because of the continuous flames, trolls, discussions and big talks. IMHO a forum with rates, location, performances and so on is much more useful for a wide audience, because of objectivity and 'repeatability'.
Of course, these are just my 2 cents.
Good luck!
[QUOTE=PunterWanderer; 1412164][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?661-Paris&p=1411132&viewfull=1#post1411132[/url]
The worst countries for sex in Europe are, IMHO the Scandinavian states. I know, it should be sound weird, but having been in Oslo, Stockholm, Goteburg, etc. I can say that in the end I wanted to shoot myself in the head. The girls were played hard to get, and the poor mongers are persecuted by the law if busted with the pros. And finally is very difficult the access to the service.
Good luck![/QUOTE]Thanks PW for a very comprehensive report. I'm headed to Scandinavia in two weeks for two weeks. Having read the country forums, my expectations are super low already, but is it true that one can be persecuted by the law if busted with the pros in all four Nordics countries? I thought only in Sweden.
[QUOTE=VikJohn;1413138]Thanks PW for a very comprehensive report. I'm headed to Scandinavia in two weeks for two weeks. Having read the country forums, my expectations are super low already, but is it true that one can be persecuted by the law if busted with the pros in all four Nordics countries? I thought only in Sweden.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate. As far as I know, the scandinavian states, Norway, Sweden, plus Iceland have adopted the socalled 'Swedish model', providing the criminalization of the monger but NOT of the prostitute. The assumption is that the prostitution is always and in any case exploitation of women, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and violence of men over women. These hypocritical and intolerant winds are blowing also in Europe. Denmark planned to implement a legislation against mongers explicitly inspired by swedish model, even if it's still a proposal, at least until now. The French government was planning to import this intolerant model also in France, but finally I think that they won't be successful, at least I hope. Iceland even has gone beyond: they banned the porn online.
Good luck for your trip.
Dear Punter,
Thanks for the info you shared. It was useful. I agree with some of your opinions and not with some of the others. Anyway I just want to share my opinion for people who is also indecisive about where to go. For example about 4 years ago when I was a newbie. I very much prefer someone tell me that Berlin is much much better than Prague or Budapest. I was in Artemis for 2 days on last weekend and you can check my report from.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1414359&viewfull=1#post1414359[/url]
Now the only option that I will try is Brasil. After all testings are completed I will make a repeat list for myself and I must admit you that Thailand will be on the list one hundred percent because One: it's also a great place to spend time while you are trying to recover after 5 fucks in Soi Cowboy. Two:Very cheap P4P options and possibility of free sex (freebie). Also after that visit I had speculated smt very important in my mind. First specify the type of woman you like before you go. The Latin Americans-The EE beauties or Asians. In LA a significant percentage of girls would be africans or mixed blood, in asia most of them will be short and childish look and in EE they will be white skinned blonde and brown haired mostly. Of course I am just generalising. I had also seen many very beautiful Dark skinned Ukranians or white asians or very warm Russians. Personally I am very much interested in blonde and tall woman so I am ready to pay a bit more for a Russian. That's why I find mylself in the Russian Striptease Club in Pattaya. I have never been with a Latin American but I know I am not always into Africans and mixed blood. Thirdly asians are great but a woman 35 years old and looks like 15 years old isn't something that I prefer so my choice is clear. But I know I will go to Brasil or possibly Argentina just for smelling the air. And also I know that this FKK is something to me because I am feeling like it is builded and designed for me. Easy to enter-legal-safe and regular. Frankfurt is also on my next destinations list but getting visa is another trouble for me. Briefly my country list will be smt like that Germany-Thailand-Russia-Ukraine-Chech Republic-Hungary-Italy-France-Azerbaijan.
It's also possible to check pictures before you go but you will have a limited view. You can check each thread's photo gallery section but I believe it doesn't give a true opinion beacuse very few of girls allow you take a picture. Maybe you can try youtube or some other video sites or betterly the escort sites.
Note: I had troubles with these lists but I just can't stop myself because I always needed smt like that before I decide where to go.
Regards.
I am a big fan of large labia, bulging mounds of venus and the like. The labia don't necessarily have to be very long, but thick, wrinkly, meaty. Of course DATY is a central part of sex for me. (If I wrote here what I think should be done to the plastic surgeons who carry out labiaplasty I would probably be banned from the forum.) My question is, which ethnic / racial groups of women in the world have the largest labia? Even if your feedback is purely anecdotal, I would be extremely grateful (e. G.". I once slept with a woman from. Who had beautiful large labia.").
Thanks,
Cucumber
[QUOTE=Cucumber; 1415765]I am a big fan of large labia, bulging mounds of venus and the like. The labia don't necessarily have to be very long, but thick, wrinkly, meaty. Of course DATY is a central part of sex for me. (If I wrote here what I think should be done to the plastic surgeons who carry out labiaplasty I would probably be banned from the forum.) My question is, which ethnic / racial groups of women in the world have the largest labia? Even if your feedback is purely anecdotal, I would be extremely grateful (e. G.". I once slept with a woman from. Who had beautiful large labia.").
Thanks,
Cucumber[/QUOTE]Look for women with Sol in Aries.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1414904]Dear Punter,
Also after that visit I had speculated smt very important in my mind. First specify the type of woman you like before you go. The Latin Americans-The EE beauties or Asians. In LA a significant percentage of girls would be africans or mixed blood, in asia most of them will be short and childish look and in EE they will be white skinned blonde and brown haired mostly. Of course I am just generalising. I had also seen many very beautiful Dark skinned Ukranians or white asians or very warm Russians. Personally I am very much interested in blonde and tall woman so I am ready to pay a bit more for a Russian. That's why I find mylself in the Russian Striptease Club in Pattaya. I have never been with a Latin American but I know I am not always into Africans and mixed blood. Thirdly asians are great but a woman 35 years old and looks like 15 years old isn't something that I prefer so my choice is clear. But I know I will go to Brasil or possibly Argentina just for smelling the air. And also I know that this FKK is something to me because I am feeling like it is builded and designed for me. Easy to enter-legal-safe and regular. Frankfurt is also on my next destinations list but getting visa is another trouble for me. Briefly my country list will be smt like that Germany-Thailand-Russia-Ukraine-Chech Republic-Hungary-Italy-France-Azerbaijan.
Regards.[/QUOTE]Iceberg27, thank you for your opinion / informations. Just like you, I am more into white bonde girls. I live in South East Asia, so in my country I've done so may girls (the Thai type girls). While here I can P4p and get imported girls (ex USSR, Thai, South America like Columbia, China) , the selection is very limited and the quality has declined over these years.
I ve experienced the FKK in Germany, and really like the concept that I would never get in my country. One day I will go back to explore Germany.
About Russia, as you know, how difficult and expensive is to get women? What kind of service you used (private, bordell, spa or semi pro like mamba)? I want to go there (if thats worthed) , Untill now I don't have coureage to travel alone to Russia.
[QUOTE=Hbengkok; 1416672]Iceberg27, thank you for your opinion / informations. Just like you, I am more into white bonde girls. I live in South East Asia, so in my country I've done so may girls (the Thai type girls). While here I can P4p and get imported girls (ex USSR, Thai, South America like Columbia, China) , the selection is very limited and the quality has declined over these years.
I ve experienced the FKK in Germany, and really like the concept that I would never get in my country. One day I will go back to explore Germany.
About Russia, as you know, how difficult and expensive is to get women? What kind of service you used (private, bordell, spa or semi pro like mamba)? I want to go there (if thats worthed) , Untill now I don't have coureage to travel alone to Russia.[/QUOTE]For Russia. Thanks for the question. Russia really has a special place in my heart. I don't look at the mongering issue as a the most apple that you can get for your money. I view this as a great way to be around the world for a pleasurefull and exciting hobby. Unless most of us hadn't been and saw these countries. I have been in St. Petersburg and Moscow. Especially St is a hot tourist spot it's never a problem to be there. Things are really exagerating there. But I must tell you that I live in Istanbul. If you are so naive and unexperienced or love to take unnecessary risks you can be in trouble there. But if you are following some simple rules it's totally safe. How can it's not be? Only one bad news will scare millions of tourist so they don't want to loose such an economical income. But for your safety I advice to read these two posts. One is experienced by me but I believe it can happen in anywhere if you are fool and drunk enough to put your wallet into your hippack at night.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?770-Moscow&p=1193955&viewfull=1#post1193955[/url]
And secondly these. It's a real scary movie.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?771-Saint-Petersburg&p=957696&viewfull=1#post957696[/url]
If we are talking about Moscow. It's a bit different but I was also worried before I go there but I think it was also meaningless to be. Becuase it's another hot touristic spot. If you stay in a decent hotel. If you don't go to a Toscha tour by yourself you are again safe. People don't want to get in trouble with police in Russia so they wouldn't be dangerous for you. The biggest problem in Moscow is finding addresses. But it's all packed. Again you don't need to put a visit to Suburban. Totally unnecessary. Making P4P in Moscow is one of the biggest foolnesses in the world because it's extremely expensive. When you are there your dick will get hard and your brain gets soft so you will pay high amounts for normal girls. Not necessary but if you have a mean look it's a great place for freebie scene. It's always possible to score there because there are many women who hasnt got a date since many years. So I think Moscow is a worth to try once in a lifetime. Saint Petersburg has many salloons you can get very good P4P rates that s very compettive in all over the world but after a week you will get bored there. Finally after visiting both if you ask me I will definitely choose Moscow. Just my opinions. BR
[QUOTE=Cucumber; 1415765]I am a big fan of large labia, bulging mounds of venus and the like. The labia don't necessarily have to be very long, but thick, wrinkly, meaty. Of course DATY is a central part of sex for me. (If I wrote here what I think should be done to the plastic surgeons who carry out labiaplasty I would probably be banned from the forum.) My question is, which ethnic / racial groups of women in the world have the largest labia? Even if your feedback is purely anecdotal, I would be extremely grateful (e. G.". I once slept with a woman from. Who had beautiful large labia.").
Thanks,
Cucumber[/QUOTE]American white women have the biggest beefiest [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] flaps. They tend to have huge meaty beef curtains and a thick pubic fat pad due to their high calorie diet containing hormones used in the poultry, beef, and pork production. So, if you want to indulge in enormous hanging labial flaps gaping open to reveal clitorises almost the size of a small prick, no other country beats the USA. If you're not American and cannot get a visa to visit here you can always access our limitless archives of pornography to rub one out your cucumber. Also, there are plenty of lonely American women vacationing in Europe looking to have some nasty ass sex with foreigners with strange accents.
Looking for the best country for STR with MILFs / Cougars?
Hello, I am looking for recommendations for the best country for STR mongering with MILF's / Cougars from age 30 up to late 40's. I like the older aggressive type of woman who is very experienced and also knows how to enjoy herself and make sure her own needs are satisfied. I have been to Germany and Thailand and found a few there, but I was wondering if any countries offer a wide selection of 30+ pros that are more aggressive, PSE types? The more economically priced, the better, please.
Planning a blowout week with a friend before he gets married, and trying to work out where to do it. Been to Brazil, Thailand, Philippines, and a few other places with ok scenes, but wanted to ask advice if there was anywhere as good in Europe / Central Asia, where the scene was similar?
I know everyone raves about Spain and Germany right now, but the sauna clubs aren't totally my scene, I prefer being able to walk into a bar (even if its a gogo bar) , have a few drinks, and then basically point to a girl and take her back to the hotel. Brazil and South East Asia do this very well.
Is there anything comparable in Europe / Central Asia?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Shoebridge; 1442427]Planning a blowout week with a friend before he gets married, and trying to work out where to do it. Been to Brazil, Thailand, Philippines, and a few other places with ok scenes, but wanted to ask advice if there was anywhere as good in Europe / Central Asia, where the scene was similar?
I know everyone raves about Spain and Germany right now, but the sauna clubs aren't totally my scene, I prefer being able to walk into a bar (even if its a gogo bar) , have a few drinks, and then basically point to a girl and take her back to the hotel. Brazil and South East Asia do this very well.
Is there anything comparable in Europe / Central Asia?
Thanks[/QUOTE]If it must be Europe, should probably stick to Spain. FKK's are disease pits. You wouldn't want your newlywed friend to show up on his wedding night with a new case of herpes.
Would probably recommend a higher end scene, or a place where you KNOW the girls are tested. Consider St. Maarten, or Oxygen in the DR.
[QUOTE=Globalnomad5; 1409634]A question for experienced Asia hands:
I think we can all agree that LOS and PI are the best mongering destinations in Asia, if not the world. But what if those two places, for whatever reason, were off limits? What are the next best choices?
To put it another way, if you were to go on a one-week mongering trip anywhere in East Asia except the two mentioned countries, where would you go, taking into account mongering cost and availability, but not travel costs?[/QUOTE]Hong Kong and Cambodia would rank high in my book. China used to be fun but not any more. Vietnam is Ok price-wise but recently a lot of police crack-down makes it less appealing.
Just my $0.02.
Hello guys,
I have been in many countries for mongering purposes but every time it's just my character of course I live a big decision crisis.
This time I had succeeded to limit two different options.
Beirut / Lebanon.
Adv.
1) Most of them english speakers.
2) Close culture. I am Turkish and have dark skin.
3) Better facilities.
4) Beach and sun.
Disadv.
1) Expensive.
2) Safety.
3) Conservative culture.
Crimea / Ukraine.
1) Low percentage of english speakers.
2) Very beatiful women.
3) Cheaper.
Disadv.
1) Bad facilities.
2) Language barrier. (&305; can't speak Russian)
I am expecting your comments and advices.
Is there anyone here has been in both of them?
BR
Lebanon = women with strong ego, clubs packed with men, In public places lots of men, women are cold & play the game of seduction with nothing at the end. Lots of gold diggers.
Ukraine = Few gold diggers, lots of single women in clubs, open-minded women, go to Odessa.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1453807]Hello guys,
I have been in many countries for mongering purposes but every time it's just my character of course I live a big decision crisis.
This time I had succeeded to limit two different options.
Beirut / Lebanon.
Adv.
1) Most of them english speakers.
2) Close culture. I am Turkish and have dark skin.
3) Better facilities...[/QUOTE]
I have known a few very beautiful Lebanese girls when I was in undergraduate school.
I think Christian Lebanese have more Westernized values and attitudes. They are more honest and open in relationships.
I think there is still lots of personal enmity and serious discrimination between Christians and Muslims in personal relationships.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1454031]Lebanon = women with strong ego, clubs packed with men, In public places lots of men, women are cold & play the game of seduction with nothing at the end. Lots of gold diggers.
Ukraine = Few gold diggers, lots of single women in clubs, open-minded women, go to Odessa.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1454031]Lebanon = women with strong ego, clubs packed with men, In public places lots of men, women are cold & play the game of seduction with nothing at the end. Lots of gold diggers.
Ukraine = Few gold diggers, lots of single women in clubs, open-minded women, go to Odessa.[/QUOTE]I appreciate both of your opinions. Thanks for sharing. I guess Beirut even not comparable with Ukraine. Now after a few e-mails with Stravinsky. I give up the crimea option. I am between Odessa or Chisinau. What you think Henry?
In the past few days, I have read TWO articles in the media about the woeful state of prostitution these days. One article talked about FKKs in Germany. It said that since prostitution was legalized a few years ago, that country has been flooded with prostitutes from Russia, Ukraine, Moldavia, etc. So much so that the prices for paid sex have plummeted! It described a price war between some brothels in Berlin. The other talked about England (UK). It said that prices have also plummeted there though the explanations for it weren't clear to me. It described some prostitutes as earning so little from selling sex, that they have to find part-time job in retail or restaurants to make ends meet.
I can understand this for ugly pros. I don't see how a young, slim, hottie could have problems earning enough to support herself. Can anyone on the ground in those countries comment?
[QUOTE=George90; 1454439]In the past few days, I have read TWO articles in the media about the woeful state of prostitution these days. One article talked about FKKs in Germany. It said that since prostitution was legalized a few years ago, that country has been flooded with prostitutes from Russia, Ukraine, Moldavia, etc. So much so that the prices for paid sex have plummeted! It described a price war between some brothels in Berlin. The other talked about England (UK). It said that prices have also plummeted there though the explanations for it weren't clear to me. It described some prostitutes as earning so little from selling sex, that they have to find part-time job in retail or restaurants to make ends meet.
I can understand this for ugly pros. I don't see how a young, slim, hottie could have problems earning enough to support herself. Can anyone on the ground in those countries comment?[/QUOTE]Definitely a buyer's market here in Colombia. As a friend once put it, every night here acres of working girl pussy go to bed cold and broke. :P
[QUOTE=George90; 1454439]In the past few days, I have read TWO articles in the media about the woeful state of prostitution these days. One article talked about FKKs in Germany. It said that since prostitution was legalized a few years ago, that country has been flooded with prostitutes from Russia, Ukraine, Moldavia, etc. So much so that the prices for paid sex have plummeted! It described a price war between some brothels in Berlin.
I can understand this for ugly pros. I don't see how a young, slim, hottie could have problems earning enough to support herself. Can anyone on the ground in those countries comment?[/QUOTE]The media is focussing on flatrate clubs and brothels where you get "all you can fuck" for 99 EUR or less. That's a small portion of the German paysex spectrum. But FKK clubs are not, there's dozens and dozens spread over Germany with young pretty girls you can fuck for 50 EUR for 30 min incl. DATY, BBBJ, DFK and covered sex in multiple positions. Entry fee for the club varies between 30 and 80 EUR, depending on geographics and size of the club. So yes, Germany is a mongers paradise. Girls are mostly from Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, but also Latinas and Thais, German girls and others. No need to travel to Asia or South America.
HB
Dear Iceberg,
I suggest Odessa.
Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA[/url]
Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.
Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1455883]Dear Iceberg,
I suggest Odessa.
Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA[/url]
Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.
Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day. [/QUOT.
Henry I had arrived Evpatoria today. The place is full of women. Very crowded. I didn't see Odessa so I can't make a comparison but for freebies issue especially if you can speak Russian you have better chance here I think compared to Kiev and Kharkov. I will write a detailed report when I come back. Thanks for your contribution.
[quote=hessen bub; 1454492]the media is focussing on flatrate clubs and brothels where you get "all you can fuck" for 99 eur or less. that's a small portion of the german paysex spectrum. but fkk clubs are not, there's dozens and dozens spread over germany with young pretty girls you can fuck for 50 eur for 30 min incl. daty, bbbj, dfk and covered sex in multiple positions. entry fee for the club varies between 30 and 80 eur, depending on geographics and size of the club. so yes, germany is a mongers paradise. girls are mostly from romania, bulgaria, poland, but also latinas and thais, german girls and others. no need to travel to asia or south america.
hb[/quote]i looked some more for information on falling prices. i did find more articles similar to the first two i read.
this excerpt is from the guardian. it calls germany "europe's biggest brothel":
"the sex trade in germany has increased dramatically since prostitution was liberalised in 2002, with more than one million men paying for sex every day here, according to a documentary, sex – made in germany, aired this week on germany's public broadcaster, ard.
based on two years of research using hidden cameras, the film by sonia kennebeck and tina soliman exposes the "flat-rate" brothels where men pay €49 (£42) for as much sex as they want, as well as a rise in sex tourism, with men from asia, the middle east and north america coming to germany for sex."
i found this one about nevada, usa, in the daily news.
nevada's houses of ill repute have fallen on tough times.
as state legislators ponder levying an 8% sales tax on brothels and other live entertainment, the director of the nevada brothel association says that a bad economy and an abundance of illegal prostitutes is already killing off the business.
'when i started as the lobbyist for the industry in 1985, we had 37 brothels in the state, ' george flint told the daily news. 'now we have just 18, and 12 to 14 of them are not doing very well. '
as a result, flint said, prices for sex have fallen.
'instead of paying $400 for a room at a brothel, these guys can now go out and get the same service for a third of the money, ' flint said.
this is an excerpt from an article about greece.
'five euros only, just 5 euros, ' whispered maria, a young prostitute with sunken cheeks and bedraggled hair, as she pitched herself forward from the shadows of a graffiti-riddled alley in central athens on a recent weeknight.
many prostitutes have been selling their services for as little as 10 to 15 euros, a price that has shrunk along with the income of clients afflicted by the crisis. many more prostitutes are taking greater health risks by having unprotected sex, which sells for a premium. still more are subject to violence and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
this excerpt is from the economist. it's about england.
times are tough for debbie, a prostitute in western england who runs a private flat with other 'mature ladies'. she does two or three jobs a day. a year ago she was doing eight or nine. she has cut her prices: 'if i hadn't, i wouldn't still be open. ' she says that she can now make more money doing up furniture and attending car-boot sales than she can turning tricks.
george mccoy, who runs a website reviewing over 5, 000 massage parlours and individuals, says that many are struggling. sex workers tell him they have been forced to hold down prices. like other businesses, massage parlours and private flats are suffering from rising rents and energy costs. even mr mccoy's website is under the cosh: visitor numbers are down by a third.
the days of being able to make a full-time living out of prostitution are long gone, reckons vivienne, at least in larger towns and cities. 'it's stupidly competitive right now, ' she laments. more people are entering prostitution, agrees cari mitchell of the english collective of prostitutes. some working women in westminster say they have halved their prices because the market has become so saturated. in london, and increasingly elsewhere, immigrants provide strong competition. but sophie, an expensive escort in edinburgh, says she is seeing an influx of newbies including students and the recently laid-off, many of them offering more for less.
parts of the sex trade are comparatively hale. at the top end of the market, marie, another escort in scotland, says custom has not dried up. girls increasingly report requests for discounts, she says. but those who lower their prices sometimes swiftly raise them again, deterred by the kind of customer who is attracted to bargains. the market for dominatrices is holding up well, too, according to mr mccoy. some of the cheapest massage parlours, such as club 25 in sheffield (the price is in the name) , attractive to the skint, are busy. some newcomers are offering cut-price services such as webcams and phone sex.
i had not considered europe as a place for my type of action. i am attracted to latinas. however, if germany has such low prices and lots of different ethnicities of women are going there to work, i will reconsider. i need to improve my own economic fortunes quickly so i can take advantage of these low prices!
As mentioned before: The media is focussing on flatrate brothels. They represent one small portion of the industry.
Prices in German FKK (for the girls) have been stable for over 13 years: What was 100 DM before is now 50€ (OK, that's only 98 DM). Entrance was 100 DM at Oase in 2000, now it is 70€.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1457096]As mentioned before: The media is focussing on flatrate brothels. They represent one small portion of the industry.
Prices in German FKK (for the girls) have been stable for over 13 years: What was 100 DM before is now 50€ (OK, that's only 98 DM). Entrance was 100 DM at Oase in 2000, now it is 70€.
HB[/QUOTE]So what is happening with the prices at non-flat rate brothels? How much time does 50 euros or 100 euros get you in Germany? What quality of woman does it get you? What actual service does it get you? Are the women who charged, say, 150 euros in 2007 still charging that in 2013?
Resort cities are crowded between July and August and it is normal.
I thought you planned to go to Odessa during off-season.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1456131]
[quote=Henri Dufresne; 1455883]Dear Iceberg,
I suggest Odessa.
Here is a footage taken in an Odessa Club.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cROcRDK1ZCA[/url]
Let me explain to you why I chose this club. You can see there girl next door type of girl. Odessa isn't a place for hipsters only. There are also regular locals or girl next doors from Moscow coming to Odessa. That's why I would choose Odessa.
Little tip: don't focus on the night women, focus on the day women. You will meet the best Ukrainian girls on the day. [/quote]Henry I had arrived Evpatoria today. The place is full of women. Very crowded. I didn't see Odessa so I can't make a comparison but for freebies issue especially if you can speak Russian you have better chance here I think compared to Kiev and Kharkov. I will write a detailed report when I come back. Thanks for your contribution.[/QUOTE]
How are Lativan women outside of Latvia. When you meet them on a dating site, are they interested in hook ups, etc. What should I expect? I'm meeting a latvian girl in a few days and I'd love some tips.
I'm more interested in a STR with her than a long-term thing really.
[QUOTE=George90;1457116]So what is happening with the prices at non-flat rate brothels? How much time does 50 euros or 100 euros get you in Germany? What quality of woman does it get you? What actual service does it get you? Are the women who charged, say, 150 euros in 2007 still charging that in 2013?[/QUOTE]I'd say it is a more complex question.
In Northrhine Westfalia and Berlin a common rate is 50 Euros (= 30 minutes) and 100 Euros (= 1h. 1.5h) while the southern regions (especially Munich) seem to be quite more expensive. I have no personal experience in the northern area but I know in Hamburg you are supposed to get the same prices as in NRW / Berlin but often being ripped off.
The quality of the girls is decent. For the amount mentioned above I'd expect a good looking, often eastern European girl, with standard service. This means imo oral sex without condom, different positions and no rushing. Most of the girls charge you extra (20-30 Euro) for French kiss, anal or facial. In general you get better value for your money in privat apartments (I. E. Check out 6relax. De) than in a walk-in-brothel.
Some, imo no the most attractive ones, offer more service or take even less money. That's always suspicous to me though.
[QUOTE=Henri Dufresne; 1457644]Resort cities are crowded between July and August and it is normal.
I thought you planned to go to Odessa during off-season.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27; 1456131][/QUOTE]Henry you can check my post from Ukraine other areas section and Russian Dating Section regarding Evpatoria.
BR
Hello Guys. Again me. What do you think about this? I ask the question but I also want to share my opinions about it because I was in Berlin this year. I consider spain because when I was in Berlin after 5 times fuck in one night I decided to give a break and spend time in the city. I can say it's very boring and depressive you can find nothing especially on sundays in Berlin. I know the best part of Berlin is very cheap prices compared to talent available but you know it's yes with no surprise and typical german. Man it's boring. I don't know. Waiting for your contributions and responses. Regards.
If Berlin is too boring, then you might want to give the NRW-Region (NorthRhineWestphalia, Germany's highest populated Bundesland) a try, especially the Ruhrgebiet-area and the entie region from Mönchengladbach to Moers, Marl, Dortmund and then south to Düsseldorf and Köln (Cologne) and back to Aachen and Mönchengladbach again. Regarding options for sex, this is the most active area with the biggest variety of venues. But I can't say about "spending other time in the city", since I'm not from there and only drive there for sex. The only general description I can give is that people in Cologne are more down to earth, whereas Düsseldorf is an in-crowd city.
[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1467463]If Berlin is too boring, then you might want to give the NRW-Region (NorthRhineWestphalia, Germany's highest populated Bundesland) a try, especially the Ruhrgebiet-area and the entie region from Mönchengladbach to Moers, Marl, Dortmund and then south to Düsseldorf and Köln (Cologne) and back to Aachen and Mönchengladbach again. Regarding options for sex, this is the most active area with the biggest variety of venues. But I can't say about "spending other time in the city", since I'm not from there and only drive there for sex. The only general description I can give is that people in Cologne are more down to earth, whereas Düsseldorf is an in-crowd city.[/QUOTE]Hi Iceberg27, glad to know that you're still active and travelling. It's impossible not to quote SwingerLover, one of the masters of ceremonies of german threads here.
My humble suggestion is NRW too. It's one of the greatest luna-park for adults in Europe: the highest-density of FKK, partytreffs, studios and flat-rate brothels in Germany (and therefore in Europe) , in less than one hour you're in Frankfurt (city with RLD and 4 top-FKK in the area: Mainhattan, Palace, Oase, World) , in more or less 1-2 hours you're respectively in Bruxelles and Amsterdam. It takes 3 hours to be in Paris too.
Moreover Köln, Düsseldorf, Bonn, and the other places already mentioned by SL are nice cities, very funny also for extra-sex reasons.
Another suggestion, still in Germany, is the north: Hamburg and Bremen.
[QUOTE=PunterWanderer;1467499]in less than one hour you're in Frankfurt[/QUOTE]That's not true. (Unless you travel by helicopter.) It takes at least 80 minutes from Frankfurt to the NRW-border, from Frankfurt to Cologne it's 110 minutes and from Frankfurt to Moers 140 minutes. From Brussels it's around 2 hours to Düsseldorf, from Amsterdam around 15 minutes more.
Hamburg might be an option as well, but Bremen seems to be restrictive about mongering; at least about bareback mongering. The Hannover area is also an option, as well as northern Baden-Württemberg (Karlsruhe, Heilbronn, Stuttgart).
Wanking's Partytreff-map (although not up to date), as well as my bareback-maps, might be of some help to see what's where: [url]http://goo.gl/maps/Rk0pE[/url] [url]http://goo.gl/maps/QZ8sf[/url] [url]http://goo.gl/maps/g9mR3[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3166-Wanking-s-Partytreff-Map[/url]
[quote=swingerlover;1467502]that's not true. (unless you travel by helicopter.) it takes at least 80 minutes from frankfurt to the nrw-border, from frankfurt to cologne it's 110 minutes and from frankfurt to moers 140 minutes.[/quote]i've recently took the high speed train from köln hbf to frankfurt airport, and it took me exactly 55 minutes to arrive. it was the train of a very well-known german airline company, operated by deutsche bahn. i guess it was "neubaustrecke köln-rhein/main" (the high speed rail line), but not sure about this last info.
actually, i don't know how much time with regional rail lines, but surely not many time to come in frankfurt to cologne. in any case, not very far away.
[quote=swingerlover;1467502]from brussels it's around 2 hours to düsseldorf, from amsterdam around 15 minutes more.[/quote]i suggest you to check it out these trains from cologne to paris: [url]https://www.thalys.com/[/url]
in 1h 47mins you're in brussels from cologne. in 3 hours you're in paris. if you book some time in advance you can also have real cheap prices.
i don't know which trains connect dusseldorf to amsterdam. do you mind report me some of them?
[quote=punterwanderer; 1467520]i've recently took the high speed train from köln hbf to frankfurt airport, and it took me exactly 55 minutes to arrive. it was the train of a very well-known german airline company, operated by deutsche bahn. i guess it was "neubaustrecke köln-rhein / main" (the high speed rail line) , but not sure about
i don't know which trains connect dusseldorf to amsterdam. do you mind report me some of them?[/quote]i am curious about especially for the 4 big ones in frankurt area. is it possible to visit all 4 without a car? with small taxi cost and train? and also after you have tasted fkk's in germany does it worth to get in amsterdam and smell the air there? or brussels?
Sorry, PunterWanderer, my mistake. I forgot the railways. The durations I posted all refer to travelling by car. Trains are non-existent where I live.
By railway, your statements should be correct; I don't know anything about travelling time by train. But don't forget to add on the time you spend getting to the train and from the train to the places you want to go to. If you count those too, (and the club isn't exactly in walking distance of the train station) then my durations for car travelling could get pretty close.
Which country / city do you consider the best to visit at Christmas / New Year for P4P girls?
My criteria would be:
1) It must be a hot country.
2) Plentiful P4P girls available (NOT somewhere where all the girls stay at home at Christmas with their families)
3) Ideally (but not essentially) not many guys (because I hate competition)
4) All the shops, restaurants and so on should NOT be closed for the Christmas or New Year holidays.
All suggestions gratefully received.
[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1475823]Which country / city do you consider the best to visit at Christmas / New Year for P4P girls?
My criteria would be:
1) It must be a hot country.
2) Plentiful P4P girls available (NOT somewhere where all the girls stay at home at Christmas with their families)
3) Ideally (but not essentially) not many guys (because I hate competition)
4) All the shops, restaurants and so on should NOT be closed for the Christmas or New Year holidays.
All suggestions gratefully received.[/QUOTE]I've been to Singapore during Christmas and the P4P scene was alive and well; it seems to meet all your criteria. Lots of Thais and Chinese girls in the Geylang area of Singapore that don't celebrate Christmas. All the houses were open when I was there a few years back.
Obviously avoid Latina America and the Philippines during Christmas. I've learned that lesson the hard way.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1467729]I am curious about especially for the 4 big ones in Frankurt area. Is it possible to visit all 4 without a car? With small taxi cost and train? And also after you have tasted Fkk's in Germany does it worth to get in amsterdam and smell the air there? Or brussels?[/QUOTE]Mainhattan and Palace are easily reachable by taxi or also by metro. The others are instead outside Frankfurt. So with public transports by train or by taxi. But if you try to check out the threads of Oase, World and Shark you'll probably find all the informations you need. Nevertheless, as SW pointed out:
[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1468111]But don't forget to add on the time you spend getting to the train and from the train to the places you want to go to. If you count those too, (and the club isn't exactly in walking distance of the train station) then my durations for car travelling could get pretty close.[/QUOTE]So maybe try to rent a car.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1475846]I've been to Singapore during Christmas and the P4P scene was alive and well; it seems to meet all your criteria. Lots of Thais and Chinese girls in the Geylang area of Singapore that don't celebrate Christmas. All the houses were open when I was there a few years back.
Obviously avoid Latina America and the Philippines during Christmas. I've learned that lesson the hard way.[/QUOTE]Many thanks Ezinho. Sounds like Sing is one possibility.
If anyone else has any suggestions I would be most pleased to hear them.
I am mostly after freebies and I can only speak english. I am waiting for your comments.
Regards.
[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1475823]Which country / city do you consider the best to visit at Christmas / New Year for P4P girls?
My criteria would be:
1) It must be a hot country.
2) Plentiful P4P girls available (NOT somewhere where all the girls stay at home at Christmas with their families)
3) Ideally (but not essentially) not many guys (because I hate competition)
4) All the shops, restaurants and so on should NOT be closed for the Christmas or New Year holidays.
All suggestions gratefully received.[/QUOTE]You should go to Pattaya that fits your requirements perfectly. Of course there are a lot of other guys there but not everywhere and there are more than enough women. It is warm and not closed for Christmas.
[QUOTE=G Schyman;1476515]You should go to Pattaya that fits your requirements perfectly. Of course there are a lot of other guys there but not everywhere and there are more than enough women. It is warm and not closed for Christmas.[/QUOTE]Many thanks GS, I will add Pattaya to my list of strong possibilities.
Anybody else have any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1476603]Many thanks GS, I will add Pattaya to my list of strong possibilities.
Anybody else have any suggestions? [/QUOTE]I am new here but have been a senior member on another forum site since 2005 with over 1,260 posts to my credit, mostly about LOS (Thailand).
I have visited LOS hundreds of times (I'm retired airline crew).
You should not consider Pattaya, here's why:
The last time I went (2008) I vowed never again, each time it gets more crowded, more cynical and more expensive. The Russians have discovered it in a big way, I don't have a problem with Russians on an individual level, but they have brought their own gangster culture with them, so now you have the Euro / UK dodgy (criminal) expats, the Thai Gangstas (everywhere) and the Russians.
The sea is filthy, they pump the city sewage in there, sure its a ways out, but still.
It really is built around sex, and for me, that can just be too much 24/7 in your face. (and I love sex and love Asian women!)
Pattaya will be absolutely insanely overcrowded and overpriced at Christmas time.
If you have never done Thailand, you should go, be assured you will find P4P easily everywhere you go there.
You could try less obvious mongering areas, such as Chaing Mai, Ko Samet (not Ko Samui!) or even Korat A. K. A Nakhon Ratchisama, this last area is the backwoods, very little English spoken in comparison to the other places I recommend!
Bangkok will be throbbing, it always is, but if you like the city scene, and don't mind paying the highest prices in Thailand (it's still cheap for Westerners, relatively speaking) then you will find literally dozens of ways to get your rocks off there, as well as countless alternative amusements not sex related, it is one of my favourite world cities for just about anything, great people, (you can even easily pick up a real GF if you are young and reasonable-looking) amazing nightlife, culture, food, and some of the worlds top hotels to pamper yourself in.
You could also consider 'emerging' P4P zones such as Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. I'd avoid the Philippines, some guys swear by it, I don't like it because it feels more dangerous than everywhere else, the national food is shit (canned corned beef twenty-seven ways and crunchy pigs-ears for breakfast anyone?) and it was the only place I've ever been robbed.by a pair of hookers in my hotel room, they took my duty-free cologne while my back was turned, but still.
But there are stunners there, everyone and their dog speaks fluent English, it is very US-centric culturally, and there are some fabulous outer islands where you can get P4P without the city hassles. Just my two cents worth, but bottom line, if you go to Pattaya, and you have a crap time, you were forewarned here first!
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff; 1477650]I am new here but have been a senior member on another forum site since 2005 with over 1, 260 posts to my credit, mostly about LOS (Thailand).
I have visited LOS hundreds of times (I'm retired airline crew).
You should not consider Pattaya, here's why:
The last time I went (2008) I vowed never again, each time it gets more crowded, more cynical and more expensive. The Russians have discovered it in a big way, I don't have a problem with Russians on an individual level, but they have brought their own gangster culture with them, so now you have the Euro / UK dodgy (criminal) expats, the Thai Gangstas (everywhere) and the Russians.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for your advice Oliver. I will take a look at Chaing Mai and Ko Samet, but perhaps not Korat if there is not so much English spoken there. I know Laos girls are very nice so will consider that as a possibility well. I am not sure about Vietnam and Cambodia because when I read field reports for these places, quite often guys don't appear to be having such a great time! I am familiar with Bangkok already and I agree with you about the food in the Philippines!
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1477810]Many thanks for your advice Oliver. I will take a look at Chaing Mai and Ko Samet, but perhaps not Korat if there is not so much English spoken there. I know Laos girls are very nice so will consider that as a possibility well. I am not sure about Vietnam and Cambodia because when I read field reports for these places, quite often guys don't appear to be having such a great time! I am familiar with Bangkok already and I agree with you about the food in the Philippines!
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]Thailand, China and Vietnam. Not necessarily in that order.
The problem with a lot of these 'cheap as chips' destinations is the HIV rates, how does Ethiopia figure on that score? The Ukraine is another place where there are about 20,000 hookers in the capital, who make US$200-400 a week, but HIV is a major issue. I have been to Joburg, South Africa many times, and never went near the women for exactly this reason, statistically, the odds are just stacked too high, condom or not.
Jakarta is good for cheap hotties too, but like Manila, the focus is going to be on P4P 24/7. Thanks to the religious zealotry there, outside the upmarket hotel nightclubs and the Hard Rock Cafe, theres, not much else to do there, except go to malls and get stuck in endless traffic jams.
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff;1477943]Jakarta is good for cheap hotties too, but like Manila, the focus is going to be on P4P 24/7. Thanks to the religious zealotry there, outside the upmarket hotel nightclubs and the Hard Rock Cafe, theres, not much else to do there, except go to malls and get stuck in endless traffic jams.[/QUOTE]I must admit that Jakarta is probably near the top of my list of places I have not visited yet.
I'm not too bothered that there is not much else to do there.
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff;1477936]The problem with a lot of these 'cheap as chips' destinations is the HIV rates, how does Ethiopia figure on that score? The Ukraine is another place where there are about 20,000 hookers in the capital, who make US$200-400 a week, but HIV is a major issue. I have been to Joburg, South Africa many times, and never went near the women for exactly this reason, statistically, the odds are just stacked too high, condom or not.[/QUOTE]Thanks for highlighting a very important point.
[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1475823]Which country / city do you consider the best to visit at Christmas / New Year for P4P girls?
My criteria would be:
1) It must be a hot country.
2) Plentiful P4P girls available (NOT somewhere where all the girls stay at home at Christmas with their families)
3) Ideally (but not essentially) not many guys (because I hate competition)
4) All the shops, restaurants and so on should NOT be closed for the Christmas or New Year holidays.
All suggestions gratefully received.[/QUOTE]The analysis is simple. Just don't go to any predominantly Christian nation, as other posters have pointed out. That takes out the Phillipines (very catholic) and any latin american country.
However, Thailand, Indonesia, and China are ok. During the peak holiday season, I would think that you are limited pretty much to Asia and Africa.
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1478083]The analysis is simple. Just don't go to any predominantly Christian nation, as other posters have pointed out. That takes out the Phillipines (very catholic) and any latin american country.
However, Thailand, Indonesia, and China are ok. During the peak holiday season, I would think that you are limited pretty much to Asia and Africa.[/QUOTE]Thanks Manny (and everyone else). I think I have got the message!
I have 5 days vacation from 16. 10 to 21. 10. 2013.
I check from accuweather Moscow is freezing. Below 0 °C Chisinau and Sevastopol is above 10 °C
I have been in Moscow before it's big city with surprises. I am again mostly after freebies. I am waiting your comments that the fun available there. Which one would you have chosen?
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff;1477936]The problem with a lot of these 'cheap as chips' destinations is the HIV rates, how does Ethiopia figure on that score? The Ukraine is another place where there are about 20,000 hookers in the capital, who make US$200-400 a week, but HIV is a major issue. I have been to Joburg, South Africa many times, and never went near the women for exactly this reason, statistically, the odds are just stacked too high, condom or not.[/QUOTE]Oliver,
Just curious. What do you think of the STD risk in Angeles and other places in the Phillipines?
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff;1477936]The problem with a lot of these 'cheap as chips' destinations is the HIV rates, how does Ethiopia figure on that score? The Ukraine is another place where there are about 20,000 hookers in the capital, who make US$200-400 a week, but HIV is a major issue. I have been to Joburg, South Africa many times, and never went near the women for exactly this reason, statistically, the odds are just stacked too high, condom or not.[/QUOTE]
In Kiev (capital) you can spend 1000 USD everyday very easily.
- Wake up. Eat somethings. Meet with a semi pro. 100$/hour.(If you call a pro from agency pay 200$/h)
- Drink, eat somethings. Meet with another semi. 100$/h.
- Take an erotic massage. 100$/h for only massage service and give another 50 $ condomed bj as tip. But strictly no sex .
- For afternoon, meet with another semi, spend 2 hours and dinner : 150 $/2 hour.
- Evening, go to Strip Club. Average cost is 100 $ for per hour you spend in club for lap dances,drinks,private dances.. etc . Pick up a girl for 2-3 hours 300 $. Or 500 $ for overnight Total : 400 $-700 $
- Evening (alternative for strip club) : go night club, spend 100 $, pick up a girl for 300$/overnight. If you fails in that club, go other club, spend time and money and take girl. Total damage :400-500 $
- Accomadation : about 50-150 $/daily depending on luxury, location, season.
- Your food, drinks, coffee. Etc personal expenses : 100 $/day.
and add foreigner factor and put another 100$ for multiple rip offs/daily
Your daily cost is in Kiev 1000 $-1500$. Kiev cheap? In st piter multiple this amount with 1,5 . In moscow, x 2 or 3 .
Plus 400-500 $ flight tickets.
If cost is important for you, find cheap a ticket and fly pattaya or if no visa problem go FKK (germany) where i have never been there.
I don't like chasing women. I don't like shy women. I want women in the bedroom who likes sex and is not afraid to show it, same as she would like a fine meal. I don't like bitchy and selfish women. I don't like women who have no idea how to fuck and that is many of them.
I have been all over Mexico and currently in the Philippines. The women here are frequently too shy and too unskilled and the educated ones share much in common with their western counterparts. Also they all look like children to me, very few large breasted women here. I have zero interest in ladyboys, though I wish the females here were more aggressive.
Which county in your opinion has the easiest to bed women? I am not speaking about prostitutes but all women.
My vote is for Brasil. Hard to top Brasilian ladies for their matter of fact enjoyment of sex without any hangups. Matter of fact, I found Latinas in general much better in bed than Filipinas here, but I have been mostly seeing lower class ladies here.
I have some good current info on the scene here in the R. P. That I may share later. I am considering a move to Latin America, but most all the countries there are more expensive to live than the Philippines. Any others out there care to compare notes between the two regions?
[QUOTE=Kiev Freak; 1493570]In Kiev (capital) you can spend 1000 USD everyday very easily.
- Wake up. Eat somethings.[/QUOTE]Yes the "burn rate" of cash in Kiev or Moscow can be awesome.
But if you have the time and game to work the freebies market it can be much more economical, although you probably still have to budget a fair bit for wining and dining. Many mongers contend that simply paying for it is cheaper!
Hi guys,
Wanted to ask for help making a decision. I have a 10 day vacation coming up in early June. I am trying to choose between Spain OR an Eastern Europe Trip (Prague, Poland, Slovakia, Budapest).
I have been reading for the forums, and am well aware of the general tourism type things to do. But from a punting perspective, are they comparable? Or is one region clearly superior? From my reading so far, Eastern Europe is kind of a B+ destination, while Spain is a B destination. However, I am also not sure if my assessment is based on reading info that is quickly getting out of date.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1549095]Hi guys,
Wanted to ask for help making a decision. I have a 10 day vacation coming up in early June. I am trying to choose between Spain OR an Eastern Europe Trip (Prague, Poland, Slovakia, Budapest).
I have been reading for the forums, and am well aware of the general tourism type things to do. But from a punting perspective, are they comparable? Or is one region clearly superior? From my reading so far, Eastern Europe is kind of a B+ destination, while Spain is a B destination. However, I am also not sure if my assessment is based on reading info that is quickly getting out of date.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Briefly I would choose Spain for Early June.
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1479568]Oliver,
Just curious. What do you think of the STD risk in Angeles and other places in the Phillipines?[/QUOTE]I'm not Oliver, but I can tell you that they are just too poor to afford condoms and are screwing Pinoy men unprotected until more foreigners come around. The Supreme Court finally put some sense into this poor devastated country by ruling condoms and sex ed shall be distributed more, and the UNBELIVEABLE Catholic church is fighting the ruling? Can you believe the nerve that GD church! As if things are bad enough with bringing more unwanted (or needed) kids into that poor freakin country! How many ignorant girls there are trying to just survive and wind up pregnant!
[QUOTE=GiveAsIGet; 1516241]I don't like chasing women. I don't like shy women. I want women in the bedroom who likes sex and is not afraid to show it, same as she would like a fine meal. I don't like bitchy and selfish women. I don't like women who have no idea how to fuck and that is many of them.
I have been all over Mexico and currently in the Philippines. The women here are frequently too shy and too unskilled and the educated ones share much in common with their western counterparts. Also they all look like children to me, very few large breasted women here. I have zero interest in ladyboys, though I wish the females here were more aggressive.
Which county in your opinion has the easiest to bed women? I am not speaking about prostitutes but all women.
My vote is for Brasil. Hard to top Brasilian ladies for their matter of fact enjoyment of sex without any hangups. Matter of fact, I found Latinas in general much better in bed than Filipinas here, but I have been mostly seeing lower class ladies here.
I have some good current info on the scene here in the R. P. That I may share later. I am considering a move to Latin America, but most all the countries there are more expensive to live than the Philippines. Any others out there care to compare notes between the two regions?[/QUOTE]If you withstand te cold, I would recommend Mongolia!
Very classy and feminine, easy to bed who love sex.
[QUOTE=Manny51; 1549095]Hi guys,
Wanted to ask for help making a decision. I have a 10 day vacation coming up in early June. I am trying to choose between Spain OR an Eastern Europe Trip (Prague, Poland, Slovakia, Budapest).
I have been reading for the forums, and am well aware of the general tourism type things to do. But from a punting perspective, are they comparable? Or is one region clearly superior? From my reading so far, Eastern Europe is kind of a B+ destination, while Spain is a B destination. However, I am also not sure if my assessment is based on reading info that is quickly getting out of date.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I suggest that you go to Prague and Budapest (5 days in each city). They are good (in terms of quality and price) mongering opportunities and both of them are nice cities to visit.
[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff; 1477650]I'd avoid the Philippines, (.)
But there are stunners there, everyone and their dog speaks fluent English, it is very US-centric culturally, and there are some fabulous outer islands where you can get P4P without the city hassles. Just my two cents worth, but bottom line, if you go to Pattaya, and you have a crap time, you were forewarned here first![/QUOTE]What places in Philippines would you recommend?
[QUOTE=Jopj1; 1557013]If you withstand te cold, I would recommend Mongolia!
Very classy and feminine, easy to bed who love sex.[/QUOTE]Are you serious?
Started in 1976 in Bangkok. Latest one in 2014 in China.
Cheapest: 20 US in Thailand and China.
Most expensive: 500 in Las Vegas (USA).
Worst: Atlanta, Georgia.
Best: Tangxia, China; sauna girl who literally tried to suck my balls off.
Best GFE: Prague 1997 (a real Czech student; we met when I was visiting the local university). She showed me the city and her bed. We spent 5 days together. I gave her 2000 US when I left.
Honourable second: Angeles girl. Even took me home to her village.
Craziest: Queenstown, NZ. Girl was schizophrenic.
Horniest: a Chinese sauna girl girl who had been home; I was her first customer after break.
[QUOTE=GiveAsIGet;1516241]I don't like chasing women. I don't like shy women. I want women in the bedroom who likes sex and is not afraid to show it, same as she would like a fine meal. I don't like bitchy and selfish women. I don't like women who have no idea how to fuck and that is many of them.
I have some good current info on the scene here in the R. P. That I may share later. I am considering a move to Latin America, but most all the countries there are more expensive to live than the Philippines. Any others out there care to compare notes between the two regions?[/QUOTE]I have been to both regions few times already and I believe Brazilian women just love sex and defiantly are not afraid to show it.
Then again, Filipinas are just very loving and suited much more for intimate times in a middle of nowhere.
So to conclude, if I had the choice, I would live in the Philippines and do mini breaks in Brazil.
[QUOTE=Menidi;1594866]I have been to both regions few times already and I believe Brazilian women just love sex and defiantly are not afraid to show it.
Then again, Filipinas are just very loving and suited much more for intimate times in a middle of nowhere.
So to conclude, if I had the choice, I would live in the Philippines and do mini breaks in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Of all the countries that I have been to, I would put Thailand first, Germany second, and maybe Colombia third. I realize that third one may be debatable.
I think that punting is in decline all over the world, and I presume that we are talking about countries as they exist NOW, not as they were 5-6 years ago. From my travels, these are the countries where safe access and girls attitudes, as well as prices, have remained stable. That being said, of course there are many other countries where the hobby flourishes.
Yes Brazilian women are smoking hot. That hasn't changed. But Help and that whole scene is long gone. Also, I have never been to Ukraine.
If you had asked me 5 years ago, I would have said Curacao.
Hi guys,
New to the forum so hope this is the right place to post. I'm based in UK and have a week off work in October. Suggestions on best, and best value location in Europe, have done Pattaya 4 times but want somewhere closer for 5 or 6 days. Money is an issue this year so good value is important rather than being a fortnight millionaire.
[quote=magic69;1603309] money is an issue this year so good value is important rather than being a fortnight millionaire.[/quote]you should consider germany. of course you can't expect pattaya prices, but you will already save money on the flight. flying there is pretty cheap if you book a ryan air flight to weeze or hahn and book early enough in advance. then you should go to the northrhinewestphalia region (nrw) and use that as home base. from there you can look for whatever serves your needs. fkk clubs, flatrate clubs, apartment hookers, streetwalkers, groupsex parties, swingerclubs, bareback gangbangs up to sm locations and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] events; there will be everything available for every taste. since "money is an issue", you might want to look towards the flatrate venues.
read up in the several german fora here on isg.
Hello people of ISG,
I am a 30 year old guy looking to travel 1 week in late August / early September to any country within Europe.
I know nothing about the sex market, and I have never bought any sex from a girl before. So I am here looking for some advice on where to go.
I have a few conditions:
1. It have to be considered holiday. Ie I must have something to keep me occupied during the days when I'm not with a girl. Casino, shopping malls, museums, parks etc etc. It have to be a city where finding things to do comes easy.
2. Semi cheap prositutes. I have about $2000 - $2400 to spend on a 4 day journey, from Thursday to Monday. That money includes air fare, hotel and sex and food. Plus expenses on things to do in the days.
I'm not sure if this is enough money, but that's what I have.
3. Good availability on different prositutes. No difficulty finding anyone.
I think it stands between Ukraine (Kiev), Russia (Moscow) or UK (London). But I have never been to any of those places before so I'm hoping that some of you guys that have travelled a bit can offer some advice on where they would go for a lone 30 year old guy in his first sex holiday.
Thank you so much.
If you like sun, beach and swimming things. Definitely Odessa. I have been in both Russia and Ukraine many times. I think for a sex holiday. London is out of league. If you are looking for a city tour and museums and vice versa definitely Moscow. I would definitely choose Odessa. Your budget will be very enough. And with that money you can have Ukranian champagne and Sushi even in breakfast every day.
[QUOTE=OnePenny;1606321]Hello people of ISG,
I am a 30 year old guy looking to travel 1 week in late August / early September to any country within Europe.
I know nothing about the sex market, and I have never bought any sex from a girl before. So I am here looking for some advice on where to go.
I have a few conditions:
1. It have to be considered holiday. Ie I must have something to keep me occupied during the days when I'm not with a girl. Casino, shopping malls, museums, parks etc etc. It have to be a city where finding things to do comes easy.
2. Semi cheap prositutes. I have about $2000 - $2400 to spend on a 4 day journey, from Thursday to Monday. That money includes air fare, hotel and sex and food. Plus expenses on things to do in the days.
I'm not sure if this is enough money, but that's what I have.
3. Good availability on different prositutes. No difficulty finding anyone.
I think it stands between Ukraine (Kiev), Russia (Moscow) or UK (London). But I have never been to any of those places before so I'm hoping that some of you guys that have travelled a bit can offer some advice on where they would go for a lone 30 year old guy in his first sex holiday.
Thank you so much.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1606434]If you like sun, beach and swimming things. Definitely Odessa. I have been in both Russia and Ukraine many times. I think for a sex holiday. London is out of league. If you are looking for a city tour and museums and vice versa definitely Moscow. I would definitely choose Odessa. Your budget will be very enough. And with that money you can have Ukranian champagne and Sushi even in breakfast every day.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the swift reply Iceberg. Appreciate it.
Ukraine (Odessa and Kiev) sounds delightful. Everything down there seems cheap, not just the girls but the food, hotel etc too.
But I'm a little sceptical about Ukraine. For one, I see reports from dissappointed people going to Ukraine for sex, then get nothing, because the profiles / ads on Odloty are mostly fake, or worst, they generally do not speak english. I don't know Russian nor the Ukrainian language which I feel will be a downer for my experience there. Not just getting girls, but also getting by in the city itself since people can't understand me on the bus, taxi, grocery store etc. But maybe you have a different experience here?
If I travel to Odessa / Kiev or Moscow, what do people do while they are there BTW? Museums can get a little boring after a while I can imagine.
London seems like a very nice place regarding things to do, plus people there def would understand me since they speak English. But its bloody expensive there I've heard. Basically everything compared to Russia / Ukraine.
Its so hard to make up my mind.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1606434]If you like sun, beach and swimming things. Definitely Odessa. I have been in both Russia and Ukraine many times. I think for a sex holiday. London is out of league. If you are looking for a city tour and museums and vice versa definitely Moscow. I would definitely choose Odessa. Your budget will be very enough. And with that money you can have Ukranian champagne and Sushi even in breakfast every day.[/QUOTE]Am I missing something? Isn't the Ukraine being invaded by Russia right now? Wasn't a passenger jet from Malaysia Airlines shot down above Ukraine a few weeks ago? How can anyone recommended travelling to Ukraine these days for any reason?
[QUOTE=OnePenny;1606455]Thanks for the swift reply Iceberg. Appreciate it.
Ukraine (Odessa and Kiev) sounds delightful. Everything down there seems cheap, not just the girls but the food, hotel etc too.
But I'm a little sceptical about Ukraine. For one, I see reports from dissappointed people going to Ukraine for sex, then get nothing, because the profiles / ads on Odloty are mostly fake, or worst, they generally do not speak english. I don't know Russian nor the Ukrainian language which I feel will be a downer for my experience there. Not just getting girls, but also getting by in the city itself since people can't understand me on the bus, taxi, grocery store etc. But maybe you have a different experience here?
Its so hard to make up my mind.[/QUOTE]Penny,
In here I have been involved in many hard discussions about where to go. For example Brasil or the. Are, Russia or Ukraine, Germany or Prag and these discussions and decisions are really not easy to decide and I am someone experiencing hard time to decide to go somewhere. But your situation is I think just no brainer because London will never be even in the same category with Ukraine or Russia. Firstly, for example Ukraine has the most beautiful women in the world. You can find prototypes of famous movie stars or models everywhere in Odessa or Kyiv on the beach, cashier in the market or student in university and when you go and talk to them they will react as they are very happy with this and make you feel like you are the most handsome man in the world. When you touch and suck beautiful breasts of a 10 in a strip clup of Kyiv just for 100 grivna tip you will understand what I am telling you. Normally someone can be in between Russia or Ukraine but just because of war, seducing ratio of Euro to Grivna makes Ukraine a better choice. They are ther waiting you desperately.
George90,
If you make a simple research in Google Maps you will see that the plane hit on East Ukraine and for example if you fly from Istanbul to Odessa your plane will never pass even West Ukraine it flies over Blacksea and lands on Odessa airport. Also for someone will take a plane which will go through Ukraine Airfield you will again be safe because since beginning of War only one civilian plane has been shot and that was an idiotic mistake. Russian forces make thousands of apologyies. Of course that doesn't make them forgivable but since that time and since beginning of war many planes fly over Ukraine and landed safely. Moreover safety issues is the job of Air Lines companies and if they see even a little risk they change their route. If they fly it means the route is considered to be safe.
When you get there (I don't tell you have a vacation in Evpatoria which is a very nice holiday city in the middle of Crimea but I tell this people you can go to Odessa and enjoy your vacation. I believe it's safe enough. W. are. T USA consulaty people going to Odessa must exercise cautiuos but people planning to go Donetst must retard their plans. So USA government thinks it's ok to go Odessa but just be carefull.
In my own country and in many countries there is a slow war continuing for years. In southeast of Turkey there is a war since 30 years and 40,000-50,000 killed since that time but millions of tourists come to Antalya and Istanbul and they never had a problem because of war during that time. Because it takes place in another part of country.
That's all. Your choice is yours. You can be a little bit courageous and enjoy the atmosphere or you prefer to be in safety and you pay more and probably you get back to your hotel alone.
Regards.
Sure he is, had a Mongolian once and heard pretty good stories about them from others. Shapely and caring. As for volume available and price can't compare to Phillipinas, but pretty good choice if you happen to come across one.
[QUOTE=Otari;1565022]Are you serious?
[QUOTE]If you withstand te cold, I would recommend Mongolia!
Very classy and feminine, easy to bed who love sex.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
At Iceberg,
Everything you write is true, but it is incomplete.
Putin has expanded his invasion of Ukraine. Today, he threatened NATO by reminding the world that Russia has nuclear weapons. BUK anti-aircraft missiles are moving westward and can already reach western Ukraine. No major Western airline flies over any part of Ukraine en route to Asia.
This is not a localized, "slow" war by separatists in Turkey or FARC in Colombia.
If travel to Ukraine is not immediately necessary, then it should be postponed or cancelled. In addition, I would think that the ladies in Ukraine are worried about far more right now than making money off of us mongers.
[QUOTE=George90;1614291]At Iceberg,
Everything you write is true, but it is incomplete.
Putin has expanded his invasion of Ukraine. Today, he threatened NATO by reminding the world that Russia has nuclear weapons. BUK anti-aircraft missiles are moving westward and can already reach western Ukraine. No major Western airline flies over any part of Ukraine en route to Asia.
This is not a localized, "slow" war by separatists in Turkey or FARC in Colombia.
If travel to Ukraine is not immediately necessary, then it should be postponed or cancelled. In addition, I would think that the ladies in Ukraine are worried about far more right now than making money off of us mongers.[/QUOTE]George,
Come on please stop following news and enjoy the life.
Please check this.
[URL]http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/ukraine-travel-warning.html[/URL]
US travel department only says travels to East Ukraine must be postponed. They don't tell you don't go to Odessa or Kyiv. Only advicing to be cautious.
I am sure if they think it s even a little bit dangerous to be there they would tell people not to go.
So you think these guys are not good in their job?
If you ever travel to Singapore then visit Brix nightclub. They have a number of Mongolians available on most nights. Mongolian girls I had the opportunity to be with all provided GFE. The ones in Brix are tall and pretty. I like them better than the Vietnamese, the dominant flavour in Brix.
[QUOTE=Mtraveller;1613058]Sure he is, had a Mongolian once and heard pretty good stories about them from others. Shapely and caring. As for volume available and price can't compare to Phillipinas, but pretty good choice if you happen to come across one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1614637]George,
Come on please stop following news and enjoy the life.
Please check this.
[URL]http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/ukraine-travel-warning.html[/URL]
US travel department only says travels to East Ukraine must be postponed. They don't tell you don't go to Odessa or Kyiv. Only advicing to be cautious.
I am sure if they think it s even a little bit dangerous to be there they would tell people not to go.
So you think these guys are not good in their job?[/QUOTE]I second this, as I arrived in Kiev from Germany, I met a woman from Kharkiv on the plane. Tall hot 30 ish yo blondie.
As I spoke broken Russian with her (hardest conversation of my life BTW), I saw that she was adamant about Russia and Ukraine's unity, I. E. , guess she was pro-speratist.
Anyway, since I am not a complete dumbass, I went along with her opinion and she ended up helping me out with various things and giving me a nice welcome to the country (even though I am American).
Point of the story, as long as you have common sense in Kiev, you can have a very nice time. I recommend staying in Podil area BTW.
Gluck to anyone that goes to this place full of beautiful women. Wish I had come earlier and will be coming back.
I am looking to take a 4 day trip from the weft coat of US. I love Latinas for their curvy natural bodies.
I don't speak any Spanish and so I am looking for a place where that won't be a problem. I am looking for place where it is very easy to find relatively inexpensive PNP ladies. Also I am very much into GFE (DFK, BBBJ and anal if possible). So, which place would be best for me given my interests and restrictions and that is also safe? Central America seems attractive from a distance and hence cost but suggestions welcome.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=SadSam;1615358]I am looking to take a 4 day trip from the weft coat of US. I love Latinas for their curvy natural bodies.
I don't speak any Spanish and so I am looking for a place where that won't be a problem. I am looking for place where it is very easy to find relatively inexpensive PNP ladies. Also I am very much into GFE (DFK, BBBJ and anal if possible). So, which place would be best for me given my interests and restrictions and that is also safe? Central America seems attractive from a distance and hence cost but suggestions welcome.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]My vote would be go to Medellin and stay at the Mansion / Casa Blanca (whatever they call it this week). Easy left coast connection through Panama. Anal not all that common but everything else on your wish list is easy. Of course not speaking Spanish there's going to be a limit to just how GFE it is. All types of bodies in MDE.
Costa Rica is certainly an option, but more the McDonald's experience. So if you want to be with all the tourists that's up to you.
I would NOT go anywhere else in Central America based on what you describe (well, maybe Panama, I've never mongered there). Personally I don't like Mexico. Tijuana is certainly easy to get to, but true GFE is very hard to find there.
If you like your women darker and with big butts the Dominican Republic is worth considering.
And of course for Anal, Brazil is famous. I've never been (mostly because it's a long way to go from California) and I don't think it meets your requirement for inexpensive (or if you go where it's inexpensive it probably doesn't meet your definition of safe).
Happy hunting and be sure to report back.
What places offer best options for BBFS?
Ideally lots of options available and daytime available as well.
So far, Angeles City matches, but where else?
[QUOTE=Jjuky;1618330]What places offer best options for BBFS?[/QUOTE]Read the Germany AO Clubs forum, if Germany is an option for you. (AO stands for Alles Ohne = All Without (condoms) = Bareback.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?774-Germany-AO-Clubs[/URL]
The last few years have been tough for me to monger internationally due to personal and financial reasons. But I have been keeping up with the scene via ISG. I constantly find some of the great old hands who provide so much information to be frustrated and even pissed off about the newbies who ask basic questions. Yes, RTFF, but what they may not realize is it can take 30 pages of reading (plus looking at 30 pages in the photo gallery) to get a good feel for a place and then you have to sort out whether the posts you read are now out of date and irrelevant or perhaps just plain contradictory. And guys are trying to decide whether they should go to Macau or the Philippines or Cambodia or Colombia or a German FKK with their hard earned money and vacation time. I think it's a big help to have a summary, so I'm going to try to write a few and I'm starting with Medellin, Colombia basics. I'll add more detail when I have a chance.
MEDELLIN is a cosmopolitan city in the mountains of Colombia. It has a reputation as a drug capital and being dangerous, but that is largely overblown in present times. Safety wise Medellin requires the same precautions and awareness as any other large city that has a population split between rich and poor. Speaking Spanish and staying reasonably sober go a long way to ensuring your safety in Medellin but they are not absolute requirements.
THE GIRLS are called Paisas. They come in all shapes and sizes but there is a definite European look to many Paisas. Typically dark skin, dark eyes and dark hair (although there can be exceptions to any of those things) you will find more tallish (say 5'6"-5'8"slimmish girls here than in much of Latin America, less of an Indigenous influence nor as much Mulatto, big butt look as you might find on the coast. But there is variety. Most of the P4 P girls seem to be in their 20's (either end) but you can find 18-19 if you look --there may be a few younger but I think it's easy to avoid them if you stay on the beaten track. The higher end the establishment the more prevalent silicone components seem to be: breasts, butts, cheek lifts it's all there and I get the impression most Paisas want it, but can't afford it. So if you stay down market you can have ala natural. If you like plastic, places like Face Dos and Lutron will oblige.
MDE P4 P girls are generally called Prepagos. Literally this means "pre-paid" which I always found funny because the girls I identified (and who seemed to accept the term) as prepagos were always paid afterwards, in fact these are semi-pros who you might find at The Mansion (now M Hotel or something). Or through dating sites or Language classes or if you have game at Parque Lleras, typically they don't quote a price for being with you. You wine them and dine them (if you choose) they come home and perform whatever sex acts they are comfortable with (or you talk them into) and in the morning you hand the 250,000 pesos (amount varies depending on time / act / girl etc). GFE is pretty standard, at least DFK and BBBJ, BBFS MIGHT be available, especially if you repeat or take them on a trip, anal not standard but may be available, YMMV. These Prepagos are my favorite girls in MDE, but they aren't the only option.
At the cheapest end are the Centro (Downtown) massage parlors. These are primarily daytime bordellos with very little message of anything but your Johnson. There are many of them of varying quality and price, but it starts around 20,000 pesos. Typically you enter through an unmarked door (just a number) are seated in a waiting room (may be sold a drink) and then five to ten girls will be briefly paraded before you and introduced (it helps to bring pen and paper to make notes). You select one (or more if you like), pay the cashier for the session and the girl leads you to (most likely) a dark cinder-block room with a thin mattress and a cold water shower. It tends to be a wam-bam thank-you mam session, but CBJ and multiple positions are typically included. Extras such as DFK and BBBJ can often be negotiated for a tip (pay at end). Some may find GFE here, but it's a bit to raw for my taste. That said, there can be some STUNNING looking women working in these clubs.
There are a few other ways to meet women in MDE, but it's late, so I'll have to get to those in Part 2. Just want to start building a library of different countries and hope that those with more current experience will chime in and correct.
EF.
[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1636748]I think it's a big help to have a summary, so I'm going to try to write a few and I'm starting with Medellin, Colombia basics. I'll add more detail when I have a chance. [/QUOTE]Just wanted to say thanks Errol, I think this is a good idea. I could probably provide some kind of summary for London. Unless anybody else wants to volunteer?
[QUOTE=AlteredEgo;1638178]Just wanted to say thanks Errol, I think this is a good idea. I could probably provide some kind of summary for London. Unless anybody else wants to volunteer?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the encouragement AE. I'd love to hear about London -- I've been ripped off in Sho (stupidity) and had mixed results doing outcall of fsu chicks to hotels, but never really figured it out (I didn't go there to monger, but sure as hell wanted to monger while I was there, not to mention three sad months in The Hamble). So I'll try to keep going. At least it keeps this thread alive! Although my idea is to provide a general overview rather than huge amounts of specifics, there are a few activities I left out of my previous Colombia report:
STREETWALKERS in MDE: To my knowledge there are three areas for SWs in MDE depending on your mood and bravery:
MAYORISTA is probably the best known and safest streetwalker area for Gringos to go to. It is a market / truck transit area of the city which turns into a redlight district at night. It is basically a block long boulevard of bars, restaurants and cheap hotels. There are tables on the streets and girls both inside and out. Grab a beer, sit down, and watch them pass by. In my experience the girls aren't terribly pushy (unlike the condom and peanut vendors) so you need to flag them if you are interested, but they are there for you. Overall the quality (looks) is not that high -- probably a 5 on average -- but there are some stunners in the group. More likely at night and not as eager to negotiate as the 5's, but they are there if you are a patient fisherman. I think Mayorista is pretty safe: there is a large police presence and everyone knows why they are there. Just stay within the confines and don't be lured out. You can get there by Subway, but if you're a newbie I recommend cabbing it. Every cabbie knows exactly where to drop you. I have not seen TVs or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] in Mayorista, but YMMV.
Otherwise, for SWs there are some around Centro and in the 33rd street area, I was going to look it up, but that'; s not the point of this, right? These are shadier areas and I think the likelihood of encountering a TV or too young girl is riskier. I have driven through both areas at night and walked the Centro SW scene in the daytime. I think walking in daylight is reasonably safe, just don't be stupid, but at night I wouldn't venture out without good Spanish. In the day the girls are mostly 2-3's.
ESCORTS: There appear to be two types of internet escort agencies in MDE and I don't really recommend either. The first are indigenous local agencies, their women look great in the pictures (if you like a lot of silicone) but I doubt the woman in the picture will show up at your door (despite the high price). Then there are foreigner run agencies catering to guys like me. I did try one of these and liked the girl, but the owner is apparently now in prison in Florida for heinous behavior. Remember that pimping is illegal in Colombia, so I would stay away from pimps, and I think that's what most of these agencies are.
MDE also has strip clubs, but I'll have to save that for another time.
Goodnight.
[QUOTE=SadSam;1615358]I am looking to take a 4 day trip from the weft coat of US. I love Latinas for their curvy natural bodies.
I don't speak any Spanish and so I am looking for a place where that won't be a problem. I am looking for place where it is very easy to find relatively inexpensive PNP ladies. Also I am very much into GFE (DFK, BBBJ and anal if possible). So, which place would be best for me given my interests and restrictions and that is also safe? Central America seems attractive from a distance and hence cost but suggestions welcome.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Not been anywhere in S. America other than Dom. Rep - 4 times in two years. From my limited experience you will find BBBJ and DFK a plenty. Anal will be harder to find but for a price I'm sure it can be achieved. Very cheap if you go to sosua 1500 pesos for ST and maybe 2500 for overnight. Though if you want GFE I strongly suggest you learn as much spanish as you can and chat with women over whatsapp after getting their contact details from dominicancupid. Com You'll learn fast and won't have to pay them money unless you want to.
Dear fellow mongers,
Sorry to start my career here with a question.
I've been reading this forum of countries all over the world. I'd like to hear recommendations where it would be easiest or most likely to find women filling these criteria, as many of them as possible:
1) Slim, busty, silicons are fine with me, not into big asses.
2) Black.
3) GFE, nice attitude.
4) Safe country.
5) Cheap is of course good, but at least not very expensive.
I live in northern Europe. Easiest would be to travel inside Europe, direct flights to Thailand are also available, but I am interested to hear all recommendations.
German FKK's are an option, but it seems there are not that many black women working, so only little choice. Some African countries sound otherwise excellent, but I am concerned about safety. Thailand would be good too, but I guess there are only few black women.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Qwerty456;1670297]Dear fellow mongers,
Sorry to start my career here with a question.
I've been reading this forum of countries all over the world. I'd like to hear recommendations where it would be easiest or most likely to find women filling these criteria, as many of them as possible:
1) Slim, busty, silicons are fine with me, not into big asses.
2) Black.
3) GFE, nice attitude.
4) Safe country.
5) Cheap is of course good, but at least not very expensive.
I live in northern Europe. Easiest would be to travel inside Europe, direct flights to Thailand are also available, but I am interested to hear all recommendations.
German FKK's are an option, but it seems there are not that many black women working, so only little choice. Some African countries sound otherwise excellent, but I am concerned about safety. Thailand would be good too, but I guess there are only few black women.
Thanks![/QUOTE]I'm probably not the best guy to comment as I'm not generally that into black girls, but I have had a few around the globe, so I'll try.
I haven't been there, but the DR is famous for cheap sex with black ladies with big asses. My black girl experiences have mostly been in Barbados, Cape Town and the Canary Islands (although I never partook there, I got close enough to almost promise there is great semi-pro skinny black ass to be had in the Cape Verde Islands as well. If your from Europe fly down for a music festival.
In Barbados there was an obvious Bar / Brothel a few blocks off the canal in Bridgetown. It was all locals (ie Black) but if you were buying drinks and spreading money around everyone was very friendly. Obviously don't flash too much money or be too drunk. I went upstairs with a super hot slim / model anthracite honey of about 21. Between the booze and ganga I'm not sure of the price but I know it was low (between $20 and $49 for full service. I got applause when I came back downstairs. Not GFE, but fun.
I think you can find similar throughout the eastern Caribbean if you don't mind flying local.
Cape Town South Africa: It's some years since I've been there, but when I went the safe thing for a white foreigner was the downtown Bordellos (If you're dark skinned or brave there may be a lot more adventure to have in the townships, but I didn't try). These are more or less strip clubs with upstairs rooms. They are advertised in the local paper and sex magazines and tend to open in the late afternoon. Beers are reasonably priced but you are expected to pick a woman and take her (or several) up stairs. When I was there (some years ago) there were all sorts of women: white, black, REALLY black, East Indian and mixes of all above. They also required using DOUBLE condoms for everything.
Gran Canaria: look up the streetwalker district in Las Palmas and you will find plenty of African women 24/7. When I was there it was Euro20 for 15 minutes (CBJ and CFS in a tiny room. Not GFE).
Cape Verde Islands. I've been there twice but never partook in P4 P, still I'm confident that there are lots of Semi=Pros ready for GFE with a European man if you have the slightest amount of game. Go to a music festival, or just hang out at the discos. I don't know if there are brothels, but I think you will find black stunners who'll do you for a nice dinner or less.
Hope this helps. I'm sure there are Black Girl connoisseurs who can add more. I don't think you'll find a lot of Black girls in Thailand. Dark skinned Thais for sure, especially from the north, and maybe that's what you want. But they are not black.
EF.
[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1674358]I'm probably not the best guy to comment as I'm not generally that into black girls, but I have had a few around the globe, so I'll try.
I haven't been there, but the DR is famous for cheap sex with black ladies with big asses. My black girl experiences have mostly been in Barbados, Cape Town and the Canary Islands (although I never partook there, I got close enough to almost promise there is great semi-pro skinny black ass to be had in the Cape Verde Islands as well. If your from Europe fly down for a music festival.
In Barbados there was an obvious Bar / Brothel a few blocks off the canal in Bridgetown. It was all locals (ie Black) but if you were buying drinks and spreading money around everyone was very friendly. Obviously don't flash too much money or be too drunk. I went upstairs with a super hot slim / model anthracite honey of about 21. Between the booze and ganga I'm not sure of the price but I know it was low (between $20 and $49 for full service. I got applause when I came back downstairs. Not GFE, but fun.
I think you can find similar throughout the eastern Caribbean if you don't mind flying local..[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot, Erroll! Food for thoughts. I am very white, don't get much whiter. I'm interested of real black girls, not just dark skinned. I noticed in Bangkok thread that someone wrote about areas where you can find African and Russian women, but I suppose Thailand isn't the real deal when looking for black honeys. Based on your information Canary Islands are easiest to travel to, but I am definitely interested of other places too.
I'd be very interested to hear other experiences too.
[QUOTE=Qwerty456;1670297]Dear fellow mongers,
Sorry to start my career here with a question.
I've been reading this forum of countries all over the world. I'd like to hear recommendations where it would be easiest or most likely to find women filling these criteria, as many of them as possible:
1) Slim, busty, silicons are fine with me, not into big asses.
2) Black.
3) GFE, nice attitude.
4) Safe country.
5) Cheap is of course good, but at least not very expensive.
I live in northern Europe. Easiest would be to travel inside Europe, direct flights to Thailand are also available, but I am interested to hear all recommendations.
German FKK's are an option, but it seems there are not that many black women working, so only little choice. Some African countries sound otherwise excellent, but I am concerned about safety. Thailand would be good too, but I guess there are only few black women.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Gambia. Fits all requirements, quite close to Europe and English very well spoken.
The main thing is you can get a good GFE experience and many European women go there to look for beach boys so they are used to tourists.
Otherwise Mombasa, Kenya but I didn't get that GFE experience there. Tanzania was horrible.
I've been to Thailand, PI and Brazil over the years and loved them all. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time or money this time around, and am looking for something closer. I've read the forums and was thinking:
Spain, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Panama. Am I missing any? This would be for 4-5 days only.
Priorities for me are P4 P with a scene where I can meet and chat to the girls first (vs pointing to them in a lineup), girls that offer PSE (3's, back door, BBBJ, CIM etc). Looks wise, I'm always game to try something new, just not fatties.
Keen to hear your comments.
Thanks.
Shoe.
I have been all over Asia, Brazil, Argentina etc. Long flights take too much time and cost too much money.
You should check out the bars in Tijuana, Mexico, specifically Hong Kong, Adelita, Las Chevelas, Tropical. In the past 10 years, they have been able to recruit some of the best-looking chicas in Mexico, South America, some from Spain to work the bars.
Hong Kong is supposed to open 24 hours a day year round with 50 to 60 young girls of all sizes, shapes, complexions. You can tip the girl $1 to feel their boobs or butts, or buy a ficha drink and chat and feel them up for however long that last. A ST session costs $60- $80 for half hour at the hotel upstairs.
A bro who lives half time in BS As went crazy over the quality of the girls and low cost in Tijuana.
You may be able to get good flights from the East coast to San Diego then take the trolley to the border and walk across. Check the posts in Tijuana.
[QUOTE=Shoebridge;1714529]I've been to Thailand, PI and Brazil over the years and loved them all. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time or money this time around, and am looking for something closer. I've read the forums and was thinking:
Spain, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Panama. Am I missing any? This would be for 4-5 days only.
Priorities for me are P4 P with a scene where I can meet and chat to the girls first (vs pointing to them in a lineup), girls that offer PSE (3's, back door, BBBJ, CIM etc). Looks wise, I'm always game to try something new, just not fatties.
Keen to hear your comments.
Thanks.
Shoe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shoebridge;1714529]I've been to Thailand, PI and Brazil over the years and loved them all. Unfortunately, I don't have too much time or money this time around, and am looking for something closer. I've read the forums and was thinking:
Spain, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Panama. Am I missing any? This would be for 4-5 days only.
Priorities for me are P4 P with a scene where I can meet and chat to the girls first (vs pointing to them in a lineup), girls that offer PSE (3's, back door, BBBJ, CIM etc). Looks wise, I'm always game to try something new, just not fatties.
Keen to hear your comments.
Thanks.
Shoe.[/QUOTE]Blackbeards in DR hits most of your requirements. You can hangout in the bar and talk to the girls, although there is a limited supply, but more than enough for 4-5 days. They encourage threesomes, and BBBJ is a given, I've never had a girl even try to give me a BJ with a condom at Blackbeards. I've done CIM with many of them, most without ever asking Anal might be the only thing you have a problem getting. Some of them will do it, but you have to make sure to do it quietly, if they think their friends hear they will say no.
In Cosat Rica, most girls try to start out with a covered BJ, they will either uncharge you to get BBBJ or some just straight will not do it. I've had girls in CR walk away because the BBBJ is a deal breaker for me. You can hangout in Del Rey or Sportsman and chat of the girls as long as you like, they are all freelancers so the services each girl offers is different.
Based on what you are looking for, I'd go for Blackbeards in the DR, if you subscribe to their newsletter you can see what a lot of the girls look like, or just e-mail them and they will send you some pictures.
[QUOTE=Qwerty456;1675067]Thanks a lot, Erroll! Food for thoughts. I am very white, don't get much whiter. I'm interested of real black girls, not just dark skinned. I noticed in Bangkok thread that someone wrote about areas where you can find African and Russian women, but I suppose Thailand isn't the real deal when looking for black honeys. Based on your information Canary Islands are easiest to travel to, but I am definitely interested of other places too.
I'd be very interested to hear other experiences too.[/QUOTE]I have traveled a long time in many African countries, and of course the girls are black. Some look great, some do not.
But to be a tourist in Africa is to much of a hassle, and not really cheap.
For black girls in Thailand, it is possible to find them in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Road, from Soi 3, up to Soi 15.
They walk the streets, give them some eye contact, and it's on. Most will ask for 2,000. - THB. It's to much.
Settle for 1,500 THB. You can get them down to a 1,000 THB. If you like one, then take their number and get them to be with you.
Before they hit the streets. Then it should be possible to get it for 1,000 THB. This is of course for short time encounters. I always tip 100 THB only. It doesn't help you to pay more. The service is not better or worse next time around.
I prefer Pattaya. It's the same type off girls. These days most are from Kenya and Uganda, or Madagascar. There are a few Nigerians too.
They normally sit in a bar, in the center of the Walking Street. You will not miss them. There are also many to be found at the Beach Road, all the way up to Soi 8. The prices are the same, but everything else in Pattaya is much cheaper than Bangkok.
Right now, I am in Sosua in the Dominican Republic, which has a Mix from very dark to light brown. Most of the dark ones are from Haiti.
They are all over the street in Pedro Clisante, by Rumba bar. They will find you, before you find them. Many off the girls look great.
They will ask for 3. 000 DOP to 2000 DOP. I always pay 1500 DOP. You can get them down to 1000 DOP. I, however never do that. I tip them.
100 DOP. Not more. Large tips for good service, won't get you more anyway.
If you are in Denmark 1 day. That is my country, then you can try out escort guide dk. Many black girls have half an hour for 400 DKK.
Most are from Cuba, Brazil or Africa. Some look really fine.
I prefer Pattaya Thailand. The black girls perform better there, than in Africa, Sosua and Denmark. Many other things there are also cheaper, and you feel very safe there. The sheer number here in Sosua, for black girls are a little bit higher. But I am very disappointed about there service in bed. To be blunt, they really suck! . They are really boring, even compared to my own country Denmark. I have never meet a girl I would book 2 times. But they are very beautiful and sexy looking. Africa is also good but a nuisance. Gambia and Kenya, Mombasa is the best destinations. I prefer Kenyans for performance and Gambia, Senegalese for beauty.
Hope you can use the info.
[QUOTE=KuteGuy;1695687]Gambia. Fits all requirements, quite close to Europe and English very well spoken.
The main thing is you can get a good GFE experience and many European women go there to look for beach boys so they are used to tourists.
Otherwise Mombasa, Kenya but I didn't get that GFE experience there. Tanzania was horrible.[/QUOTE]Save place is Sosua, in the Domincan Republic and.
Pattaya in Thailand on the walking street and beach road, are also OK. Plus.
Bangkok Sukhumvit road, by Soi 3 to Soi 15. The girls walk the streets.
They perform best in Thailand.
In Sosua they have the most stunners.
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Howdy.
I am looking for the following.
7-10 days vacation.
1-2 girls for those days staying with me. (7-10 days).
Point of interest white blonde with big tits.
My guess would be Europe or Eastern Europe.
Not looking to break the bank LOL.
Would love recommendations.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=PeterK14;1723347]Howdy.
I am looking for the following.
7-10 days vacation.
1-2 girls for those days staying with me. (7-10 days).
Point of interest white blonde with big tits.
My guess would be Europe or Eastern Europe.
Not looking to break the bank LOL.
Would love recommendations.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]If I am understanding you correctly you are looking for the nearly impossible (anything is possible if you spend enough money, but you say you don't want to break the bank).
For white girls the obvious choices are North America or Europe. Forget the US. Canada used to have an excellent outcall escort system, but they changed the law about a year ago and I don't know where it stands (check the Quebec Forum). Still, that system was based on one hour encounters and you say you want 1-2 women to "stay" with you for 7-10 days. That's not happenning in Canada without megabucks.
Western Europe also has a pretty good sex scene. German FKKs are highly regarded by those seeking white girls (although most workers are Romanian or Hungarian so if you're looking for a Nordic princess you may not find her). But these are typically half hour encounters. Only an over priced Czech escort will "stay" with you.
Your best bet is probably Russia or the Ukraine, the girl you are looking for is probably there to be had. But you will need to speak Russian or Ukrainian and don't expect to find the perfect companion in 3 days.
If you are young, handsome, charming AND speak Russian you could probably find freebies in Transnistria. But if you were all those things you probably wouldn't be asking this question.
Australia and New Zealand also have white women, but I don't think you'll find and advantage there over say Canada.
Finally, there used to be some outfits in the Dominican Republic that imported FSU women for all inclusive P4 P hollidays. Not cheap, but fathomable prices. I nearly did it once and regret that I didn't. But I have no idea if they still exist. Start by looking at the DR Forum. Cat69 was one and I think Oxygen Resort is another.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
EF.
[QUOTE=PeterK14;1723347]Howdy.
I am looking for the following.
7-10 days vacation.
1-2 girls for those days staying with me. (7-10 days).
Point of interest white blonde with big tits.
My guess would be Europe or Eastern Europe.
Not looking to break the bank LOL.
Would love recommendations.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I concur with Errol Flynn. You have a dream which can never be realised unless you are prepared to drop serious money. In Australia, a white girl will stay with you for $2,000 a / day, so over 10 days, that is $20,000. Then double that for 2-girls.
A cheaper option will be to go to AC in the Philippines, pick out a BG, take her to Manila to see a plastic surgeon and then get her a boob job. Boob job might cost $3,000. Then for 10-days, she'd be happy with 20,000 PHP. You then just need to get her hair bleached.
Hello All,
I just thought it is a good idea to start for a discussion about best summer destination in Europe. This discussion is mainly for freebie action. For P4 P I think things are more clear.
I can summarise the options as follows;.
1) Odessa Ukraine.
2) Costanza Romania.
3) Costa Del Sol / Spain.
Where would you pick up?
Regards.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1740136]Hello All,
I just thought it is a good idea to start for a discussion about best summer destination in Europe. This discussion is mainly for freebie action. For P4 P I think things are more clear.
I can summarise the options as follows;.
1) Odessa Ukraine.
2) Costanza Romania.
3) Costa Del Sol / Spain.
Where would you pick up?
Regards.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on who you are, what type of women you like, and what languages you speak. If you speak Spanish, that's probably an advantage in Spain. If you speak Russian or Romanian, then Ukraine and Romania would look more attractive. Price, distance, and convenience of reaching the place from wherever you're from would also factor in.
[QUOTE=ItsMyPiv;1743845]I think it depends on who you are, what type of women you like, and what languages you speak. If you speak Spanish, that's probably an advantage in Spain. If you speak Russian or Romanian, then Ukraine and Romania would look more attractive. Price, distance, and convenience of reaching the place from wherever you're from would also factor in.[/QUOTE]Both are not very far away of me.
I can only speak english. I prefer blondes. But I am not so distant against Latinas.
Regards.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;1714534]I have been all over Asia, Brazil, Argentina etc. Long flights take too much time and cost too much money.
You should check out the bars in Tijuana, Mexico, specifically Hong Kong, Adelita, Las Chevelas, Tropical. In the past 10 years, they have been able to recruit some of the best-looking chicas in Mexico, South America, some from Spain to work the bars.
Hong Kong is supposed to open 24 hours a day year round with 50 to 60 young girls of all sizes, shapes, complexions. You can tip the girl $1 to feel their boobs or butts, or buy a ficha drink and chat and feel them up for however long that last. A ST session costs $60- $80 for half hour at the hotel upstairs.
A bro who lives half time in BS As went crazy over the quality of the girls and low cost in Tijuana.
You may be able to get good flights from the East coast to San Diego then take the trolley to the border and walk across. Check the posts in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. It's interesting. But what about the personal security in Tijuana?
Actually, I once took the trolley from San Diego to the border in order to cross the border by feet. But the Mexican lady sitting the next to me in the tram on her way home from work emphasized the dangers for foreigners in Tijuana. So did the american officer at the border. So my companions talked me out of crossing the border.
I have heard good things about Prague.
Anyone here can share views.
[QUOTE=Astreix;1752392]I have heard good things about Prague.
Anyone here can share views.[/QUOTE]It really depends on your taste and how much you are willing to spend money. Also how long meetings are you exactly looking for?
From my view Prague can be alright if we are talking about short meetings like only half an hour, a hour meetings or maybe two hour meetings, but the prices varies a lot between clubs and private places. If you are looking for overnight meetings then it comes expensive.
That is just my opinion because I can get overnight with a Czech girl in my own country at the same price or even cheaper than in Prague plus I do not have to travel all the way there with all costs.
Also keep in mind it can be very difficult to book a meeting with a girl you would like to. They are usually fully booked or something else and you most likely end up calling another private place. It can be also frustrating to reach private places around Prague. Of course you can try to get escort service to your hotel instead of going there.
If you just want to have great selection of the girls and spend time with lots of girls I suggest Germany. You don't really have to make any meetings by phone or keep going to different places. You can mostly just relax and enjoy huge variety of girls at the clubs.
If you are looking for cheaper overnight meetings it is hard to say where to go if the place must be in Europe. Maybe someone else can give you better advice.
Hope this helped. Good luck!
[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1744683]Thanks for the advice. It's interesting. But what about the personal security in Tijuana?
Actually, I once took the trolley from San Diego to the border in order to cross the border by feet. But the Mexican lady sitting the next to me in the tram on her way home from work emphasized the dangers for foreigners in Tijuana. So did the american officer at the border. So my companions talked me out of crossing the border.[/QUOTE]Don't listen to them. Tijuana is safer than New York if you exercise common sense and do not walk around drunk at night. I have been to Tijuana dozens of times.
Please don't lecture me on perils of bareback sex.
Question is can you rank top 5 or 10 destinations where BBFS is readily available? According to my RTFF I have found only Philippines and Germany's AO clubs. Can you list and rank a few more please?
[QUOTE=MSClive;1763588]Please don't lecture me on perils of bareback sex.
Question is can you rank top 5 or 10 destinations where BBFS is readily available? According to my RTFF I have found only Philippines and Germany's AO clubs. Can you list and rank a few more please?[/QUOTE]Everything I've read indicates Indonesia also. I've experiences Germany and Phil first hand. Indonesia I didn't visit the right place, so only ever nailed 2 chicks there. 1 offered, 1 absolutely would not. That said. I went to a place way out in no man's land where they'd never seen a foreigner before, so the one chick was freaked out by me, and that was definitely part of it.
[QUOTE=MSClive;1763588]Please don't lecture me on perils of bareback sex.
Question is can you rank top 5 or 10 destinations where BBFS is readily available? According to my RTFF I have found only Philippines and Germany's AO clubs. Can you list and rank a few more please?[/QUOTE]From what I've read you have hit upon the two best places with Indonesia being a third (as suggested by Parasitius). I think Madagascar might also fall in there, and generally that the odds of finding it are higher in third world countries (and esp Catholic ones). I have had some great sessions in Medellin. It was never officially on the menu, but a promise of a generous tip seemed to do the trick. These girls never use condoms with their BFs. As to the wisdom of it, that's a question for the safe sex forum.
[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;1767662]From what I've read you have hit upon the two best places with Indonesia being a third (as suggested by Parasitius). I think Madagascar might also fall in there, and generally that the odds of finding it are higher in third world countries (and esp Catholic ones). I have had some great sessions in Medellin. It was never officially on the menu, but a promise of a generous tip seemed to do the trick. These girls never use condoms with their BFs. As to the wisdom of it, that's a question for the safe sex forum.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your insights. Seems Germany and Philippines are the only attractive options.
I have been to Medellin but was unable to get even BBBJ let alone BBFS from chicas there. Will try next time. Those Medellin chicas are really hot in my book.
[QUOTE=MSClive;1768044]Thanks for your insights. Seems Germany and Philippines are the only attractive options.
I have been to Medellin but was unable to get even BBBJ let alone BBFS from chicas there. Will try next time. Those Medellin chicas are really hot in my book.[/QUOTE]Oh I almost forgot! In the UK they openly advertise BBFS as a service on Adultworks. I really want to go, though I have a feeling these girls are spread out all over the country and not really concentrated in a certain spot, so it is a bit of a clusterfuck trying to organize it unless you are all about doing a massive mileage road trip!
I wouldn't go on adultworks search results, I guess many girls check the box by accident, but there are a ton of reports HERE that specifically confirm / deny if BBFS was available: [URL]https://breeding.zone/forum/115-discussion-of-female-escorts/[/URL].
[QUOTE=Parasitius;1768054]Oh I almost forgot! In the UK they openly advertise BBFS as a service on Adultworks. I really want to go, though I have a feeling these girls are spread out all over the country and not really concentrated in a certain spot, so it is a bit of a clusterfuck trying to organize it unless you are all about doing a massive mileage road trip!
I wouldn't go on adultworks search results, I guess many girls check the box by accident, but there are a ton of reports HERE that specifically confirm / deny if BBFS was available: [URL]https://breeding.zone/forum/115-discussion-of-female-escorts/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well that's great info. Thanks. Did not know UK had a BBFS scene. UK is more accessible as well.
Which is the best city located in Western Europe (I am looking forward to visiting a developed country) for having cheap sex?
It does not matter to me if escorts are average. I just want to have as much as sex possible.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=WorldLiving;1795432]Which is the best city located in Western Europe (I am looking forward to visiting a developed country) for having cheap sex?
It does not matter to me if escorts are average. I just want to have as much as sex possible.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Your question has a very clear answer.
Frankfurt!
Regards.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1795841]Your question has a very clear answer.
Frankfurt!
Regards.[/QUOTE]Thanks for answering. I forgot to mention that I am looking for a safe option (I do not want to get robbed).
What do you suggest for cheap sex in Frankfurt specifically? According to the following guide, there are many options available: [URL]http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Frankfurt[/URL].
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=WorldLiving;1795977]Thanks for answering. I forgot to mention that I am looking for a safe option (I do not want to get robbed).
What do you suggest for cheap sex in Frankfurt specifically? According to the following guide, there are many options available: [URL]http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Frankfurt[/URL].
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I would definitely go to the FKK sharks. Entrance I guess 60 euro and half hour sessions are 50 euro.
But for cheaper options you can go to rld area which I don't recommend.
I have found that I like the tjuana type setup where you simlly walk up to a girl on the street a price and go to a room nearby. I hate clubs bar fees negotiating takeout etc. Etc. So far the only places I have seen this setup is in tijuana, mexico city and columbia. What other destinations have street redlight districts where you can be your own boss.
[QUOTE=MSClive;1768044]Thanks for your insights. Seems Germany and Philippines are the only attractive options.
I have been to Medellin but was unable to get even BBBJ let alone BBFS from chicas there. Will try next time. Those Medellin chicas are really hot in my book.[/QUOTE]There are ton of hot & easy chicas in Medellin. I'm surprise you couldn't get any. For BBBJ, you can get that from any casa, or any higher end club. Just offer some extra tip. And the mansion is a no brainier for newbie / first timer especially those that can't speak Spanish.
[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1795841]Your question has a very clear answer.
Frankfurt!
Regards.[/QUOTE]I second that.
[QUOTE=Busterrr;1801254]I have found that I like the tjuana type setup where you simlly walk up to a girl on the street a price and go to a room nearby. I hate clubs bar fees negotiating takeout etc. Etc. So far the only places I have seen this setup is in tijuana, mexico city and columbia. What other destinations have street redlight districts where you can be your own boss.[/QUOTE]I must say I'm a bit blown away that you think you're the boss in a Tijuana street girl negotiation. My experience is, yes, it's cheap but unless you negotiate every second of the encounter before the deed you will only get to fuck a starfish hole (in missionary) Not my thing.
Still, there are SWs and FLs all over the world. Thailand and the Philippines come to mind as ripe destinations where a FL girl is probably very cute and willing, it's just a bit more risk than a girl from an established bar. But you can find cheap street walkers in Spain, Prague, Medellin or any number of other countries (just not the grand ole US of A where they will take your car away for looking).
Best,
EF.
Long time fan of the lower end places for knocking about. Places like:
- Koh Kong & Sihanoukville, (Cambodia) chicken shacks and Phnom Penh places.
- Villa Mimosa (Rio).
- Songachi (Calcutta).
- Catacombs (China).
- Old Shenzhen.
- Some smaller places in Jakarta.
But of course time changes all things, and many of these venues have gone away or are just shadows. It's not really about the money, just prefer these places. Have a trip coming up and can basically go anyplace. From Moscow to Africa to S. America.
Any recommendations for places you can still go door to door and find a bunch of hard core sex. In a less than pristine environment?
I've been researching some. And seems like:
- Mumbai (Kamathipura) is now having LEA problems where they go after mongers.
- Delhi: (GB Road) is nothing like it used to be.
- Nepal: (Themal) again, ghost of what it was.
- Colombo: doesn't appear to have many knocking shops.
Thanks
You might want to try China Town in Bangkok and the streetwalkers North of China Town or Frankfurt, the red light District close to the Train Station.
You should definitely check out the chongos in Peru.
Look up Trocodero Lima on youtube and you'll get many tours. It's a little dirty and working class, but its run by the local government and pretty safe.
There are hundreds of these places in Peru (not the size of Troca though) but a small town might have a 30 room brothel, and some larger cities have half a dozen in a row (100+ rooms).
Under USD $10 for a 20 minute session.
I seem to prefer saunas / spa type venues that all you to "pick a girl" from a lineup or fishbowl type setup. Macau's prices have gotten pretty crazy and China's crackdown has made things more complicated. The next choice was Jakarta's saunas + Classic hotel which I enjoyed but there is a safety issue.
Anyone know of other places in Asia that have this type of setup but not over 180 USD per session? Thanks.
You are right Tijuana La Zona RLD is pretty safe and the deals are quick, straight forward and cheap.
On weekend, there are probably 30 to 40 girls leaning against the walls of Coahuila alley. Most are young, pretty, nice, lean bodies in good shapes, some are even stunner, who can turn heads in LOS Angeles. Their deals are standard, 300 to 400 pesos ($12 to $16) for 20 minutes for covered BJ and sex totally nude in the $5ST hotels in that alley. If you are new to the area, make sure they agree to the specific acts before going to the hotel. Most girls will honor their deals but a few will try to upsell new guys if specifics were not mentioned. A few street girls here, big boobs, hard bodies and all, will do FS with BBBJ and DFK routinely for 200 pesos.
The 4 main bars in La Zona, Hong Kong, Adelita, Las Chevelas and Tropical probably have about 200 girls on weekends after 8 PM. Their rates are between $60 to $80 for full service, with ST hotels costing $13 to $17. There are no bar fines to the bars as the laws forbid bars to engage in prostitution. Bar girls' services are pretty much standard, CBJ then sex in multiple positions within 30, with very few girls doing DFK or DATY, even though I had girls who did BBBJ and BBFS to make sure I came.
Sex transactions in Tijuana are straight forward, efficient with fairly low costs. Most girls are young, good-looking, healthy, nice, clean, honest. A few guys who would do 3 girls a night every time they come to La Zona. Myself I usually do 2 minimum, 3 if there is enough time, and all nighters when I stay overnight.
I took a bro who live sin BS As, Argentina to Tijuana. He went crazy with pretty young girls costing only $60. I have not found any mongering location in the world that offer similar quick access, safe, efficient transactions with very good-looking young girls for such low costs.
[QUOTE=Busterrr;1801254]I have found that I like the tjuana type setup where you simlly walk up to a girl on the street a price and go to a room nearby. I hate clubs bar fees negotiating takeout etc. Etc. So far the only places I have seen this setup is in tijuana, mexico city and columbia. What other destinations have street redlight districts where you can be your own boss.[/QUOTE]
Did not see your post.
I have been going to Tijuana and other cities in Mexico for about 16 years, and have not been robbed, threatened or had anything stolen from me.
There have been shootings and murders, but they are strictly between drugs dealers fighting for turfs.
Tijuana now has a few top notch bars and clubs with some of the best-looking Mexicans working. ST for bar girl are $60 to $80 with no bar fines. Some street girls are stunners, who can turn heads in LOS Angeles. They charge only $12 to $18 for 20 minutes sessions in the $5ST hotels.
Tijuana is probably safer than most large US cities due to heavy presence of policia in the RLD.
[QUOTE=Bellpepper;1744683]Thanks for the advice. It's interesting. But what about the personal security in Tijuana?
Actually, I once took the trolley from San Diego to the border in order to cross the border by feet. But the Mexican lady sitting the next to me in the tram on her way home from work emphasized the dangers for foreigners in Tijuana. So did the american officer at the border. So my companions talked me out of crossing the border.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HigginsT;1828708]You might want to try China Town in Bangkok and the streetwalkers North of China Town or Frankfurt, the red light District close to the Train Station.[/QUOTE]China town has gone way down in the past 3 years a lot less girls the ones left are older fatter. The price about the same 300 to 600 baht.
Hello,
I have been to several destinations over the years. Due to my employment situation I am now able to work from anywhere in the world but I am chained to my computer when it comes to office work, Skype calls, etc. In other words I can work from anywhere as long as I have reliable internet access and I can make Skype calls.
Which countries would you recommend (top 5, top 10) with good internet access? My definition of good internet access is 2-3 MBps or more. But 5 or 10 MBps or more would be preferred.
If you are able to add actual hotel / apartment info that would be great!
[QUOTE=MSClive;1910879]Hello,
I have been to several destinations over the years. Due to my employment situation I am now able to work from anywhere in the world but I am chained to my computer when it comes to office work, Skype calls, etc. In other words I can work from anywhere as long as I have reliable internet access and I can make Skype calls.
Which countries would you recommend (top 5, top 10) with good internet access? My definition of good internet access is 2-3 MBps or more. But 5 or 10 MBps or more would be preferred.
If you are able to add actual hotel / apartment info that would be great![/QUOTE]Folks I found a way to answer my own question. It may help other like minded people who travel for business and pleasure. [URL]https://www.hotelwifitest.com/[/URL].
Based on this it seems Bangkok is a great compromise between internet speed and chicas.
[QUOTE=MSClive;1922988]Folks I found a way to answer my own question. It may help other like minded people who travel for business and pleasure. [URL]https://www.hotelwifitest.com/[/URL].
Based on this it seems Bangkok is a great compromise between internet speed and chicas.[/QUOTE]As a clarification, Thailand usually promote speeds in Mbps to make it look more impressive to the casual observer, or the internet un-savvy.
There is of course a big difference between MBps and Mbps.
To deduce MBps, simply divide Mbps by 8.
Happy surfing.
[QUOTE=ElephantBeer;1828067]Long time fan of the lower end places for knocking about. Places like:
- Catacombs (China).
- Old Shenzhen.
But of course time changes all things, and many of these venues have gone away or are just shadows. It's not really about the money, just prefer these places. Have a trip coming up and can basically go anyplace.
Thanks[/QUOTE]China is a pale shadow of itself since the latest President took power, before then, almost every large hotel catering to the domestic market at least, had an 'entertainment' floor.
Some of these floors are shut completely, others have survived, but with all sorts of constraints, which makes it very difficult for a non-Mandarin speaker to get anything meaningful organised.
I went to an MP in a Southern provincial town with a Chinese friend (I forget the name, and you'd never find it anyway, China is vast with 3rd tier cities numbered in the hundreds in many provinces).
We got a reasonable rub and tug, for about RMB 400 -can't precisely recall the price, it was about 2 years ago.
I'm sure the China threads will be a better bet than my 2 c worth, but I doubt much has changed, esp. For foreigners who don't get access to the 'street intelligence' the locals do.
By the way, sexual lube (KY etc) is almost unknown in these smaller cities, so if you use lube on your adventures, bring your own -in airline sized containers. Throwing it in the hold baggage is not a good idea!
[QUOTE=Lee66;1855440]China town has gone way down in the past 3 years a lot less girls the ones left are older fatter. The price about the same 300 to 600 baht.[/QUOTE]I have never been one for looks as the primary consideration for P4 P. It's almost a cliche that with the exception of the super-escort range, beauty comes with an attitude in most encounters, and, apposite to that, less attractive girls usually focus on service to make up for looks, body etc, if they are 'professional' about their work.
So I have not paid much attention to this phenomenon, but I keep hearing about it.
I have my doubts!
The economy has not improved, and there have been crackdowns, both of these should paradoxically IMPROVE quality, or at the very least keep it static. If we had boom times and lazy authorities, then I might be able to visualise a loss in quality as girls find alternative employment.
Conversely, maybe the upper end market is in a glut of pretty young spinners, seeing as the rich get richer!
Clearly a lot of guys here can afford the scene at many levels and then some, this is not a cheap hobby -anywhere- anymore.
So where are all the hotties in scrappy global jobmarket?
Absent statistics, I can only surmise that many of us are simply nostalgic for hotties we experienced, that may have moved on, had kids, retired, got arrested, even died from drugs and other random misfortune.
Even the talented but homely girls I used to consort in BKK (by choice) have all disappeared.
And now, when I find a keeper, I no longer throw their numbers away!
But so far keeping phone numbers has not helped me reach one single girl from my own 'glory' days.
I do know two of my 'girls' retired about 10 years ago, but they were grannies even then!
I usually find young spinners are just starfish (I like a mini-GFE, meaning I like human interaction and banter, but don't like them 'moving in' with me) and I like to think I treat the girls with respect and tenderness, also I'm not exactly Quasimodo, I do present well, and I'm hygienic, so it's not me!?
The point I'm making is even in the less attractive 'niche' I prefer, the 'stars' seem to have gone off the mongering grid.
So is this just the nostalgia effect, particularly for those of you who never go back more than once? Or is there really a global exodus of talent, quality, youth, and beauty in the game, or have we all just been unlucky lately?
Nothing ever stays the same (except global politics sadly) and that's the way it is. So I'll play the optimist, and look forward to the 'stars' I've yet to meat!
Keeping the issue of a limited budget in mind.
Where is the best place to go where the girls actually treat you the best.
To elaborate a little bit, I'm looking for women who tend to get into the experience.
Ones who enjoy making out and actually want to give and receive equally.
Or at least where can they pretend the best.
[QUOTE=WorldLiving;1795432]Which is the best city located in Western Europe (I am looking forward to visiting a developed country) for having cheap sex?
It does not matter to me if escorts are average. I just want to have as much as sex possible.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I know this is old, but somebody still has that same question, no doubt. Having been in and out of Germany since 1978, I would agree Frankfurt has been a budget destination. However, many people agree that Berlin is among the cheapest places for sex in Germany and the options are even greater. This is not so obvious to someone who is not familiar with Germany and doesn't speak a bit of German. I speak enough German to get myself in trouble, so Berlin is a great, price competitive destination for mongers. The FKK bunch won't get it, because it requires mobility and some thinking. Plus, the only real FKK in Berlin is apparently way overpriced and controversial. But, where Berlin excels is its freelancers and its plethora of old-school brothels, the likes of which you won't find as common in other German cities.
However, Frankfurt is definitely a good place for the anglophone. Germans everywhere tend to speak decent if not exceptional English. But, in Berlin some people will pretend not to act like it. If you do know some basic German and want to dive into it, Berlin will be more fun. People around Frankfurt have a tendency to answer foreigners in English, because they don't want to hear you mangle their language. When I was learning German, I had to assert myself and speak in German, otherwise I would not have learned much.
On the other hand, I have had another board member rave about Portugal and Spain. He says, get away from the usual tourist areas and get on a Spanish level of mongering and apparently there are great bargains to have, as well as some costly ones. This would take a bit of research but it is interesting. I'm personally more interested in investigating Asia further, having spent much time in Europe since early adulthood. In terms of airfare, traveling to Asia is about the same as going to Europe from my city. In the past, Asia was a rather pricey destination from my locale.
Haven't been to Asia for 7 years, had great times in Changping, Macau, BKK. Have a trip coming up in May, some business, some pleasure. Can't go to BKK or PI, looking in China / Japan. Been looking in individual threads, I know there's lots of choices everywhere, young and hot is more to my taste than older, not as hot with great skills. Trying to choose between Macau saunas / massage places (good selection but expensive), Shanghai (good Viet FL scene, OK sauna / massage if you can find / get in), and Osaka (lots of young JP nationals at Tobita shinchi, possible admission / denial at soapland / nuru places). Of places I've been Macau has been my favorite (except for price), but that was 7 years ago, from threads looks like it's still pretty good. Should I be looking somewhere else in these countries? Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Member#3346;2008554]and Osaka (lots of young JP nationals at Tobita shinchi, possible admission / denial at soapland / nuru places).[/QUOTE]Been in Tobita Shinchi 2 weeks ago, great selection of young girls, big boobs around and sexy body wear cosplay uniform. IMHO service there sucks, I and my friend both had a very bad service, no FK, CBJ, starfish attitude. 20 min - 16000 yen and 30 min - 20000 yen, other options available like 40 min and 1 HR but I don't remember the price. We are both gaijin from Europe and there have enough girls that allow gaijin.
[QUOTE=Member#3346;2008554]Trying to choose between Macau saunas / massage places (good selection but expensive)[/QUOTE]Tried Macau once in December 2015, been at East Spa. All in all isn't worth the high price, always IMHO.
So disappointed with the quality of BBBJ and CIM in countries such as Mexico and Philippines. USA is the best I found so far. Which country is the best for these?
[QUOTE=MSClive;2010633]So disappointed with the quality of BBBJ and CIM in countries such as Mexico and Philippines. USA is the best I found so far. Which country is the best for these?[/QUOTE]Till July 1st still German FKK Clubs.
[QUOTE=MSClive;2010633]So disappointed with the quality of BBBJ and CIM in countries such as Mexico and Philippines. USA is the best I found so far. Which country is the best for these?[/QUOTE]The key of course is getting accurate reviews and / or accurate advertisements.
Montreal has a lot of young, hot CIM providers. Advertisements are harder to come by after the passage of the new law. So reading the reviews on merb. CC is essential.
Lisbon, Portugal is a good place. The escortprivada escort service is accurate with the profiles listing CIM. They list some providers as doing Oral Without who are reported to sometimes do CBJs, but there are no reports of inaccuracies when the profile lists OWO and CIM.
Madrid and Barcelona Spain have a lot of such offerings, particularly at some of the more local brothels. The placermadrid brothel in Madrid has a lot of detailed reviews on the local esaschicas board with CIM descriptions and the Madrid RusasVIP place lists which girls do French Until The End, unfortunately at a higher price. Both the Madrid and Barcelona threads on ISG have leads to others providing this service.
The Prague thread has a lot of detailed reviews of ladies offering CIM, also.
And of course Bangok, Thailand. The Bangkok escort services, such as Bangkok Gold, are good at listing which escorts do CIM. And there are BJ bars in Bangkok specializing in BJs.
[QUOTE=MSClive;2010633]So disappointed with the quality of BBBJ and CIM in countries such as Mexico and Philippines.[/QUOTE]Phillippines?? Really? I thought that BBBJ-CIM was so easy in the Phill also many members claim that Bareback sex is well available in the Phills.
Never had problem in Thailand for BBBJ-CIM, many BJ bars around in Bangkok and Pattaya.
FKK in Europe (Germany, Swiss, Austria, Slovenia) have alot of BBBJ-CIM.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2010750]Phillippines?? Really? I thought that BBBJ-CIM was so easy in the Phill also many members claim that Bareback sex is well available in the Phills.
[/QUOTE]The Philippines is funny because, you're right, BBFS is widely available and the girls there will even allow creampies without batting an eye, yet some girls there don't suck dick for some reason, it's really odd. Usually it's the younger, prettier girls, but find an older gal or single mom and they will give a BBBJ.
Having said that, some of the best bbbjs I've gotten have been at BJ bars in Angeles City.
As far as the USA being the best for BBBJCIM, I'm assuming you're talking about the Korean places here? I agree those girls can suck a mean dick and take a load with a smile on their face, but it's not cheap. And they're not American!
[QUOTE=Ezinho;2010794]The Philippines is funny because, you're right, BBFS is widely available and the girls there will even allow creampies without batting an eye, yet some girls there don't suck dick for some reason, it's really odd. Usually it's the younger, prettier girls, but find an older gal or single mom and they will give a BBBJ.
Having said that, some of the best bbbjs I've gotten have been at BJ bars in Angeles City.
As far as the USA being the best for BBBJCIM, I'm assuming you're talking about the Korean places here? I agree those girls can suck a mean dick and take a load with a smile on their face, but it's not cheap. And they're not American![/QUOTE]I think you would be surprised at just how good the service is among reviewed "higher-end" escorts in the USA. I don't mean the ones reviewed on Jackson's sister site with rates in the $100-$250 range. I mean true call girls who screen their customers and often charge $350-$600 an hour. For many, a very high quality BBBJTCIM is part of the service, and there is a U.S. website that is not commonly referenced here that provides detailed reviews allowing a customer to choose accordingly.
I realize that market gets treated with contempt on boards where the average price paid internationally is more like $100, or perhaps even less. But culturally it is rather a shock to the American guys who get ladies from this market when they go overseas to places such as the Carribean and find that CBJs are more customary and it is difficult to find reviews. I was quite surprised even in fantastic Pattaya to encounter a lady who said "I don't usually smoke, but I will with you", with smoke being the slang for BJs. I have encountered a similar reluctance to do BJs in another country where fewer alternatives existed. The surprise is that a BJ is a standard practice in the USA, even when the lady insists on doing a CBJ. Rarely is it something that needs to be requested. It is just done. Of course Thailand is a place where it is easy to get great BJs from a lady a few feet away if an original choice doesn't do so, but in some countries that is not the case.
Anyway, this is why I like detailed reviews. We find out if a specific ladies are enthusiastic about BJs and if they do them uncovered and if they do CIM. So I mentioned some countries where BBBJ is more the norm, and where reviews are available to allow a customer to find a lady who is talented at them and does CIM. Even in the CIM world, there are differences. One lady I see in Lisbon is enthusiastic and drains the last drop, while another (who I also like) kind of stops the action to make sure none goes down her throat before she spits and brushes her teeth.
Wow thanks for all your replies. How does Brazil compare with the others?
I agree with your comment that US escorts in the $400+ range are excellent at BBBJ if you pre-screen for reviews. I never been with the Korean chicks in USA that you say are expensive. Which city is that in? I have been with Korean girls in AMPS but besides their looks it is a McDonalds experience.
[QUOTE=Ezinho;2010794]Some of the best bbbjs I've gotten have been at BJ bars in Angeles City...[/QUOTE]They all seem to have closed down now it seems (based on my trip in Nov 2015). The last remaining one called Black Pearl or something is a take out bar. Only one girl there did BBBJ without needing some coaxing. I stayed in Angeles for a few days and the only barfine I did was from the BJ bar. But definitely not up to the standards of Thai BJ bars in terms of service quality.
I like your McDonalds analogy.
I have heard very good things about these two Asian places from trusted friends for New York and Las Vegas. I believe BBBJ is standard but you would need to check reviews from the paid site to see about CIM, and the turnover is of course high, so reviews are only of so much use. The rates for these places are less than the normal GFE rates for those cities.
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Los Angeles is generally considered the strongest place in the USA For K-girls, but it is rather a unique system with different forms of screening than what is normally encountered in the USA. For new customer friendliness, I have heard good things about the two places I linked to.
[QUOTE=MSClive;2010933]Wow thanks for all your replies. How does Brazil compare with the others?
I agree with your comment that US escorts in the $400+ range are excellent at BBBJ if you pre-screen for reviews. I never been with the Korean chicks in USA that you say are expensive. Which city is that in? I have been with Korean girls in AMPS but besides their looks it is a McDonalds experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2010735]The key of course is getting accurate reviews and / or accurate advertisements.
Montreal has a lot of young, hot CIM providers. Advertisements are harder to come by after the passage of the new law. So reading the reviews on merb. CC is essential.
Lisbon, Portugal is a good place. The escortprivada escort service is accurate with the profiles listing CIM. They list some providers as doing Oral Without who are reported to sometimes do CBJs, but there are no reports of inaccuracies when the profile lists OWO and CIM.
Madrid and Barcelona Spain have a lot of such offerings, particularly at some of the more local brothels. The placermadrid brothel in Madrid has a lot of detailed reviews on the local esaschicas board with CIM descriptions and the Madrid RusasVIP place lists which girls do French Until The End, unfortunately at a higher price. Both the Madrid and Barcelona threads on ISG have leads to others providing this service.
The Prague thread has a lot of detailed reviews of ladies offering CIM, also.
And of course Bangok, Thailand. The Bangkok escort services, such as Bangkok Gold, are good at listing which escorts do CIM. And there are BJ bars in Bangkok specializing in BJs.[/QUOTE]Brazilians regulars or pros are really good at BBBJ and CIM compared to many countries, I've only been with regulars in the US so I can not tell about American pros.
In general Brazilians do good blow job even better than Asian women or american women it is even easier to have one night stand, my best BBBJCIM I've ever recieved was from a Russian woman but it was 3 moths relationship.
In Japan, Japanese women are more open to short term relationship compared to other Asian countries. Culturally Japanese people are sexually more open.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2011014]I like your McDonalds analogy.
I have heard very good things about these two Asian places from trusted friends for New York and Las Vegas. I believe BBBJ is standard but you would need to check reviews from the paid site to see about CIM, and the turnover is of course high, so reviews are only of so much use. The rates for these places are less than the normal GFE rates for those cities.
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Los Angeles is generally considered the strongest place in the USA For K-girls, but it is rather a unique system with different forms of screening than what is normally encountered in the USA. For new customer friendliness, I have heard good things about the two places I linked to.[/QUOTE]I can definitely recommend privatehotties in NYC. However, before you make an appointment, be sure to ask the booker if any kgirls are available. I made the assumption that all were kgirls, but I ended up with a Chinese girl (still a great GFE session). Oh, and screening was a little extra thorough for me, so just keep that in mind. East coast places, especially NYC have been getting heat from LE lately so expect to go through tight screening. I definitely recommend contacting groups early on so that screening will be all taken care of when you arrive.
[QUOTE=Komo753;2013119]Brazilians regulars or pros are really good at BBBJ and CIM compared to many countries. In general Brazilians do good blow job even better than Asian women or American women it is even easier to have one night stand, my best BBBJCIM I've ever recieved was from a Russian woman but it was 3 months relationship.[/QUOTE]Best BBBJ / CIM I have ever had in my life was from a Brazilian girl working at Club Globe in Zurich. Brasilieras also provide the best anal, followed closely by Russians and Ukrainians. Romanians also good all the way around. This has been my experience. Hell, I am American and never had a good BBBJ until a Latina got on my dick! Turned that shit from a prelim to the main event!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2027814]Best BBBJ / CIM I have ever had in my life was from a Brazilian girl working at Club Globe in Zurich. Brasilieras also provide the best anal, followed closely by Russians and Ukrainians. Romanians also good all the way around. This has been my experience. Hell, I am American and never had a good BBBJ until a Latina got on my dick! Turned that shit from a prelim to the main event![/QUOTE]Totally agree American women really suck at BBBJ / CIM, no girl is better than latinas and eastern europeans, that is why I am into these girls. Brazilians are the best in South America and in the world, what I like about Brazil you can find any kind of woman (race / body type). Women are pretty hot in eastern europe and good at sex (Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Russia) and latinas from europe are good too (Portugal and Spain).
[QUOTE=Komo753;2034745]Totally agree American women really suck at BBBJ / CIM, no girl is better than latinas and eastern europeans, that is why I am into these girls. Brazilians are the best in South America and in the world, what I like about Brazil you can find any kind of woman (race / body type). Women are pretty hot in eastern europe and good at sex (Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Ukraine and Russia) and latinas from europe are good too (Portugal and Spain).[/QUOTE]Loved Brazil for BBBJ / CIM, but I'm an Asian sort of guy. My best experiences were with a casino dealer (freebie) In Macau, a Viet from Hanoi. My experiences in Vn have been good, but not as good. Second place Angeles, where the girls are very willing to please.
Hello gents,
I have some business in Asia coming up after which I'll have a whole week to myself. I wanted to spend it in a place where I can find some top-level girls from as many different nationalities as possible for GFE overnights each night. I'm not particularly attracted to Asians so avoiding the typical destinations like Thailand. After reading the forums, it seems Dubai and Singapore are two cities that fill this criteria as they seem to have WGs from many different countries across the world. Budget isn't really that much of an issue as I've been saving up for this. Which of the two cities would you select if in my position?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=MisterSingh;2043634]Hello gents,
I have some business in Asia coming up after which I'll have a whole week to myself. I wanted to spend it in a place where I can find some top-level girls from as many different nationalities as possible for GFE overnights each night. I'm not particularly attracted to Asians so avoiding the typical destinations like Thailand. After reading the forums, it seems Dubai and Singapore are two cities that fill this criteria as they seem to have WGs from many different countries across the world. Budget isn't really that much of an issue as I've been saving up for this. Which of the two cities would you select if in my position?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I sure can't say anything about Singapore, but the times I visited Dubai, it was amazing. Beautiful woman from any country available.
[QUOTE=Shark5;2044410]I sure can't say anything about Singapore, but the times I visited Dubai, it was amazing. Beautiful woman from any country available.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated! Yes, after comparing both of the respective cities' forums, Dubai seems to offer lots of quality at a slightly lower price than Singapore.
I will be in Frankfurt for 24 of June and and after a few days spend there I want to evaluate my 5 or 6 days remaining holiday in a city with sun beach. It shouldn't be so far away of Germany. I will be in Odessa in July so it is not an option but maybe I can try Transinistra which close to Moldova. Or maybe Costanza in Romania. But none of this comes the true choice for me? Any advice that I can pick girls without much competition. I am much more after freebies.
Regards.
Which country is the best for cheap, beautiful outcall escorts? Where do you get the best service and value for money? I'm thinking Brazil perhaps?
I happen to prefer Asian girls, so I'd say Singapore and you could spend all your time at Brix finding top-quality girls from most of SEA, a few white women. I have spent lots of time in Singapore and it's an easy City to enjoy. No problem with being girls back to your room. Get a room at the Hyatt which is right above Brix.
I've only been to Dubai a few times, but I think it fair to say that you will find a wider selection of girls there, including Ethiopians who are the most beautiful black women (but don't expect many BJs), women of the former Soviet states as well as Chinese and SEA women as well. Dubai is an interesting place as well of course. I'm less certain of how easy it is to find and bring the ladies back to your room. I had a couple but it was a little difficult to find a venue with good supply. It was also summertime and fricking hot as hell.
Personally, I'd be spending the time in BKK and Jakarta where the supply is bottom-less and very GFE, but you'd obviously find mostly Thai and Indos. Although some bars will have foreign women of various types.
Good luck. Looking forward to the reports.
[QUOTE=MisterSingh;2043634]Hello gents,
I have some business in Asia coming up after which I'll have a whole week to myself. I wanted to spend it in a place where I can find some top-level girls from as many different nationalities as possible for GFE overnights each night. I'm not particularly attracted to Asians so avoiding the typical destinations like Thailand. After reading the forums, it seems Dubai and Singapore are two cities that fill this criteria as they seem to have WGs from many different countries across the world. Budget isn't really that much of an issue as I've been saving up for this. Which of the two cities would you select if in my position?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
You might be surprised to find that some of the least developed countries have the best internet speeds. Myanmar for example has very fast internet if you use the telecom LTE and 4 G systems and the price is very cheap. Same with Indonesia. Hong Kong and Korea of course are very fast. HK has lots of mongering options if you look at the go141 sites.
[QUOTE=MSClive;1910879]Hello,
I have been to several destinations over the years. Due to my employment situation I am now able to work from anywhere in the world but I am chained to my computer when it comes to office work, Skype calls, etc. In other words I can work from anywhere as long as I have reliable internet access and I can make Skype calls.
Which countries would you recommend (top 5, top 10) with good internet access? My definition of good internet access is 2-3 MBps or more. But 5 or 10 MBps or more would be preferred.
If you are able to add actual hotel / apartment info that would be great![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SteelBaton;2046064]You might be surprised to find that some of the least developed countries have the best internet speeds. Myanmar for example has very fast internet if you use the telecom LTE and 4 G systems and the price is very cheap. Same with Indonesia. Hong Kong and Korea of course are very fast. HK has lots of mongering options if you look at the go141 sites.[/QUOTE]I am sorry to burst the bubble. But my job is similar to the other poster's in that I can work from anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Let me tell you the internet connection absolutely sucks in most of these countries if you need to make Skype calls, etc. The number of times that the internet has let me down (hotel wifi or LTE) is 95% to 5% - IE. It has only worked 5% of the times. I have tried India, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea, and Philippines.
[QUOTE=KuteGuy;2050791]I am sorry to burst the bubble. But my job is similar to the other poster's in that I can work from anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Let me tell you the internet connection absolutely sucks in most of these countries if you need to make Skype calls, etc. The number of times that the internet has let me down (hotel wifi or LTE) is 95% to 5% - IE. It has only worked 5% of the times. I have tried India, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea, and Philippines.[/QUOTE]I have decided to spend 3 months in Thailand but staying at AirBnB properties with the hope that internet will be faster at them (not having to share with anyone). You are right that internet is BAD in Phil. I found it is excellent now in Mexico cities (only since 2016). Bad in Dominican Republic even in most households outside of Santo Domingo city.
Will report back on other destinations. I intend to try Rio, Ukraine, etc. In travel / work mode.
What are the best countries in Europe for BBBJ / CIM these days? The new law in Germany has probably changed the situation there, so I need an alternative. I used to love Erlebniswohnung and swinger parties, with lots of sex during the same night. A good brothel experience would be nice as well, but independent escorts are also a possibility.
[QUOTE=Piilo;2081944]What are the best countries in Europe for BBBJ / CIM these days? The new law in Germany has probably changed the situation there, so I need an alternative. I used to love Erlebniswohnung and swinger parties, with lots of sex during the same night. A good brothel experience would be nice as well, but independent escorts are also a possibility.[/QUOTE]I do a lot of posts in the Spain and Portugal forums.
For younger ladies at "shared private apartments", which might also be called appointment-only brothels, Barcelona has two excellent places with prices in the 70 euros for 30 minutes, 100 euros for 45 minutes and 120 euros for an hour (with multiple pops) where BBBJ is standard and BBBJTC is performed by most of the ladies. The places are referred to as Villaroel 15 X and Gran Via / Padilla and all the ladies are in the 18-25 year old range, so some guys jokingly refer to the Villaroel place as Villateen. Barcelona has a couple of true brothels (as opposed to the shared private apartments) where BBBJ / BBBJTC is almost completely standard, and those brothels are Devorah Suites and capricivicbcn. They are just a few euros more expensive than the two private shared apartments I mentioned. Barcelona has plenty of independents offering BBBJ, but some of the better reviewed ones do not do so to completion (and of course some do CIM). The independents generally require an hour of booking at 150 euros, although there are a few less expensive ones. You would want to read the Barcelona forum for more details. But these are not "party" options, or "club-like" setups. You get laid and leave. So a lot of FKK fans don't like them.
Madrid is somewhat similar, with many brothels where BBBJ and BBBJTC is readily offered. In general, the Madrid providers are on average a few years older than their Barcelona providers. A few more providers in their 30's rather than in their 20's for the most part (but still enough younger ones if that is your thing). The one Madrid brothel, amigasdelidia, that tries to specialize in the 18-25 year old group, has excellent reviews but a reputation for not checking their whatsapp messages often enough. Other brothels where BBBJ and BBBJTC is openly advertised for most providers is Placer Madrid, Palacio Palace (I butchered that name, it is related to Placer Madrid and you can get the exact name in the Madrid thread by reading Kosher Kowboy's posts), and RusasVIP (where you pay a listed surcharge for BBBJ). The prices are listed on the websites and you can check them out. By European standards, they are not overly expensive.
Lisbon has an excellent escort service called EscortPrivada with the services of each lady listed on the website. They list all the ladies as BBBJ, but you would want to pick a lady with CIM in her profile. All the ladies I have seen with CIM in her profile did excellent BBBJTC, but some with no CIM designation only do a short BBBJ prior to putting on the cover. I did a post in the Lisbon thread of the top ten escortprivada ladies based on my opinions and the reviews I have read, and all the ones listed as top ten have reviews indicating that the BBBJ is long and excellent. All but one of the top ten I listed does full CIM, and the one I mentioned in that post who had excellent pictures but no reviews has since gotten a review confirming BBBJ. The escortprivada ladies only do outcall and charge 150 euros per hour, but there are no upsells and multiple pops are fine.
Of course, both Madrid and Lisbon have excellent independents that offer BBBJ and BBBJTC, just like Barcelona.
I have gotten good BBBJ and BBBJTC from Prague independents, but I found them more expensive than Spanish and Portuguese providers after I paid for everything I wanted.
I do apologise for this question in advance, as I understand it might be a little repetitive. I am planning a holiday in Europe late November, and have a mongering budget of USD1000 for approx 10 days. Basically, I'm looking for cheap cities where I can get the best bang for my buck in Europe. Suggestions would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Melbsta;2100105]I do apologise for this question in advance, as I understand it might be a little repetitive. I am planning a holiday in Europe late November, and have a mongering budget of USD1000 for approx 10 days. Basically, I'm looking for cheap cities where I can get the best bang for my buck in Europe. Suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]You don't give a lot of details as to your interests outside of mongering.
Barcelona is one of the most touristy cities in Europe, and it is easy to fill days with the beach, the Gaudi Parks, the old Gothic area, museums, and trips on the train to Montserrat, Girona, etc.
Madrid is similar, with better museums, but not as strong for beaches and urban hiking. Madrid also has excellent day trip opportunities on the train to Cuenca, Toledo, and Segovia.
Neither offers particularly inexpensive hotels, so hopefully you have hotel loyalty points or can use airbnb.
They are easy to travel between, so it would be easy to do both on a trip.
If you will do your research, locate the best brothels, independents, and shared private apartments in Barcelona, you can always get BBBJ (usually to completion) from very hot ladies, often in the 18-23 year old range at the Barcelona shared private apartments, and spend around 60-70 euros for a half hour and around 100-150 euros for various 45 or 60 minute sessions. You have to make some effort. If you just use the easier large commercial brothels in Barcelona and if you go the club route in Madrid, you are going to pay a lot more than that, and either get CBJs or often pay an upsell for BBBJ / BBBTC. If you are interested in alternative activities, both cities, particularly Madrid, has a decent BDSM scene, and many providers offer Dom and Sub activities as part of the sessions. Anal is widely available in both cities, but it is usually an upsell in Barcelona. On a longer trip, you might get tired of vanilla being the only ice cream flavor available, so that is something to consider.
They are my preferred cities because I can easily put together a daily agenda of outdoor tourist and travel activities that interest me, and if you make an effort by using whatsapp to communicate, and reading websites and reviews using Google Chrome as your browser to get translations, the prices are very reasonable. In the Barcelona and Madrid sections, read my posts and better yet read the posts of Kosher Kowboy, DayTony and Smuler to get some leads and links.
If you do not want to make much travel effort within the city of your choice, if German tourist attractions interest you, and if you are okay with the unknown of whether you can get a BBBJ without an upsell, the FKKs are obviously the most popular choice here on ISG. I am in the minority in that FKKs and Germany in general has just never interested me much. You can read the many FKK posts to get an idea of services and prices, but don't forget to include the entrance fees. The entrance fees include food, but I prefer the local restaurant cuisine of Spain, especially the ham and bacon, to what I read as being offered as food at the FKKs.
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a country to monger some fair skin hotties. I live in the Philippines right now and I'm tired of brown skin and the whole íslaner look'. I want some really fair skin Asian hottie. I almost booked a ticket to Seoul (s Korea) but after reading the forums it sounds abysmal there. I'm not looking for as active scene like it is in Philippines but a country where it's relatively easy to find girls even if there is a language barrier.
I'm in Eastern Europe at the moment (Latvia). I was under the impression that the cheapest mongering could be found in Eastern Europe but it like OKs like it's still 150+ Euros for an hour. All I'm looking for is short term full service and I don't exactly want to call 30+ numbers and inquire about prices for each, as some of the eastern Europe reports indicate.
Any help for specific countries and specific resources or websites for budget options? Maybe something like 50 euros for 30 minutes or so?
[QUOTE=Troutguy;2108816]I'm in Eastern Europe at the moment (Latvia). I was under the impression that the cheapest mongering could be found in Eastern Europe but it like OKs like it's still 150+ Euros for an hour. All I'm looking for is short term full service and I don't exactly want to call 30+ numbers and inquire about prices for each, as some of the eastern Europe reports indicate.
Any help for specific countries and specific resources or websites for budget options? Maybe something like 50 euros for 30 minutes or so?[/QUOTE]To get cheap prices in Eastern Europe, you often have to work hard, to do some search. However there are some countries where it's easier than others even if it can be sometimes tough. Poland, Bulgaria, Czech Republic and Greece would be in your range of price. The cheapest one would be Greece with 10-20 euro for a quicky. Bulgaria is 50 euro for one shot that can last 10 minutes or 1 hour. Czech Republic around 60 euro for half an hour, but there are a few cheaper places. In Poland prices are from 25-50 euro for half an hour and even for the hour with some girls. 50 Euro for half an hour is also a price that you can get in Germany or in Spain and without doing so much search and not so many troubles like in Eastern Europe.
[QUOTE=Volpone;2109073]To get cheap prices in Eastern Europe, you often have to work hard, to do some search. However there are some countries where it's easier than others even if it can be sometimes tough. Poland, Bulgaria, Czech Republic and Greece would be in your range of price. The cheapest one would be Greece with 10-20 euro for a quicky. Bulgaria is 50 euro for one shot that can last 10 minutes or 1 hour. Czech Republic around 60 euro for half an hour, but there are a few cheaper places. In Poland prices are from 25-50 euro for half an hour and even for the hour with some girls. 50 Euro for half an hour is also a price that you can get in Germany or in Spain and without doing so much search and not so many troubles like in Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info!
Are there any specific resources or sites that you can give for these countries? Maybe even some more active message boards specifically for eastern Europe? I've noticed that a lot of the reports on ISG don't even mention prices paid, which IMO is a completely useless report.
When you say that you often have to work hard, you mean you've got to call and text a lot of numbers? That's just how it's done in Europe?
[QUOTE=KuteGuy;2050791]I am sorry to burst the bubble. But my job is similar to the other poster's in that I can work from anywhere as long as there is an internet connection. Let me tell you the internet connection absolutely sucks in most of these countries if you need to make Skype calls, etc. The number of times that the internet has let me down (hotel wifi or LTE) is 95% to 5% - IE. It has only worked 5% of the times. I have tried India, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea, and Philippines.[/QUOTE]I think you are being overly critical or maybe not getting SIMs for the faster networks. I was in Bangkok a month ago and had good connectivity for 4 days of work. But, if you require perfect Skype calls 100% of the time, then I do agree you may have some problems. I hate Skype but find WhatsApp and FaceTime to be a little better. Certainly VOIP is one of the more challenging applications. Still, I do regular business all over SEA (today I'll spend 2 hours interviewing CIOs over FT from Thailand) and find the internet to be very good. South Korea is one of the most highly internet connected countries on the world. If you have a problem there, you are definitely doing something wrong.
The obvious answer is China. Hundreds of millions of fair-skinned even paler than white women, especially in the North. Not speaking Chinese (like me) means not much warm GFE, but sometimes I find a sweet one. Things have been tightened a bit, but there are still fair-skinned hotties to be found in most cities. Shanghai would be a good starting place.
* Taiwan is a waste of time because the country is too rich now. At least, I have found it to be a waste of time compared to China in terms of quality.
* Hong Kong, while not cheap for hotels, offers endless beautiful mainland women for US $120/ session via the 141 "honey girl / hotel girl" networks. Often mechanical, but plentiful and usually good quality. I don't like the 141 walk-up scene as most of the women are older local Hong Kongers. Still, it can be a thrill to cruise those buildings filled with small pink lighted rooms, each with one half-naked wh*re hoping to get fucked.
* Japan. I've never had the time, but certainly the women tick your box, but seems expensive and difficult.
* Northern Thailand has some fairer skinned women as does Myanmar, even Indonesia, but of course most are a little darker.
[QUOTE=LOLWTFBBGirl;2105653]Hi guys,
I'm looking for a country to monger some fair skin hotties. I live in the Philippines right now and I'm tired of brown skin and the whole slaner look'. I want some really fair skin Asian hottie. I almost booked a ticket to Seoul (s Korea) but after reading the forums it sounds abysmal there. I'm not looking for as active scene like it is in Philippines but a country where it's relatively easy to find girls even if there is a language barrier.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2100185]If you will do your research, locate the best brothels, independents, and shared private apartments in Barcelona, you can always get BBBJ (usually to completion) from very hot ladies, often in the 18-23 year old range at the Barcelona shared private apartments, and spend around 60-70 euros for a half hour and around 100-150 euros for various 45 or 60 minute sessions.[/QUOTE]I go to Barcelona regularly and would love to learn more about the private apartments where I can get BBBJ from 18-23 year olds for 60. I didn't think that this would be available, so I didn't even try to look. Plus, I was traveling with a girlfriend that particular trip.
Wait, I did venture into a "tantric massage" place called Shambala Zen where I got lucky. A really nice BBBJ to completion from an Eastern European gal (who was the manager), but it cost close to 200! There were a number of nice local girls. I chose the manager as she was mid 30's but really looked like she knew her way around a penis. It was on Carrer de Girona. VERY nicely decorated.
I took photos of the room and sign, which I'll attach, as there was a no photos policy at the place.
[QUOTE=Tommylove;2163831]I go to Barcelona regularly and would love to learn more about the private apartments where I can get BBBJ from 18-23 year olds for 60. I didn't think that this would be available, so I didn't even try to look. Plus, I was traveling with a girlfriend that particular trip.
Wait, I did venture into a "tantric massage" place called Shambala Zen where I got lucky. A really nice BBBJ to completion from an Eastern European gal (who was the manager), but it cost close to 200! There were a number of nice local girls. I chose the manager as she was mid 30's but really looked like she knew her way around a penis. It was on Carrer de Girona. VERY nicely decorated.
I took photos of the room and sign, which I'll attach, as there was a no photos policy at the place.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/teensbcn-napols-17x-consell-de-cent-bcn-f373.html?langid=1[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/divine-sex-metro-verdaguer-bcn-687106282-f390.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.vecinitasbcn.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/deseos-barcelona-av-sant-ramon-nonat-1x-bcn-629200231-f248.html[/URL]
[URL]http://deseosbarcelona.com/[/URL]
Of course go to the ISG Barcelona thread to read more details of these three places.
The first two specialize in 18-23 year olds. The first one (teensbcn) doesn't have its own website, but the second one does. Open the links using the Google chrome browser to read the ads and links in English. The prices start at 70 euros for 30 minutes and this is always reported to include BBBJ.
The third place has more 25-35 year old South American ladies, but they are hot and more porno style girls. Their rates start at 60 euros for 30 minutes and are BBBJ.
All three places get all great reviews. Contact them using whatsapp. You need to send your whatsapp messages in Spanish, so you use Google Translate to compose it in English, translate it, and copy and paste it to whatsapp.
You make an appointment with a specific lady. They don't generally do line-ups. You get the exact address when you make an appointment, but the information in the linked sites gives you approximate addresses.
[QUOTE=LOLWTFBBGirl;2105653]Hi guys,
I'm looking for a country to monger some fair skin hotties. I live in the Philippines right now and I'm tired of brown skin and the whole slaner look'. I want some really fair skin Asian hottie. I almost booked a ticket to Seoul (s Korea) but after reading the forums it sounds abysmal there. I'm not looking for as active scene like it is in Philippines but a country where it's relatively easy to find girls even if there is a language barrier.[/QUOTE]Do you find fair skinned Vietnamese girls attractive? Where can you find them rather than Vietnam? Answer: Camb & Malaysia. Read the forum, its all there but spare some for me please.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2163850]Do you find fair skinned Vietnamese girls attractive? Where can you find them rather than Vietnam? Answer: Camb & Malaysia. Read the forum, its all there but spare some for me please.[/QUOTE]In reading the forums, I remember guys saying that Macau is Viet heaven. And of course Macau is a bit more "European" and upscale than other parts of Asia, while still having enough rural countryside to have charm. Of course it wouldn't have spectacular tourist attractions like Angor what (SP?) in Cambodia, but the hotels in Macau would be more girl friendly and certainly the massage parlors are easier to find in Macau for an English only speaker than Cambodia (and Macau incall is more upscale and of course more expensive).
The only thing that bothered me reading the Macau reports was that the many ladies appear to have a strange custom during BBBJ of stopping the action and spitting into a towel or something and then resuming BBBJ (which is not usually done to completion). Is that true? If so, WTF? It goes in your mouth and stays there, sweetheart. No guy wants the flow of action to stop.
Reading around the forum, including this thread, I conclude that the best cities / countries for STR are (In random order):
1) Jakarta Indonesia.
2) Manila, Philippines.
3) Singapore.
4) Macau.
5) Thailand.
6) Romania.
7) Czech Republic.
With Jakarta and Manila being the least expensive.
In the above cities and countries, entering a bar and indicating to a girl that you're interested in dating her in return for money would get you a positive reply and 3-4 days of sex and fun in return for an affordable price, if we compare it to escorts and brothels graduates.
Feel free to correct me or expand on my list as you wish.
[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2164140]Reading around the forum, including this thread, I conclude that the best cities / countries for STR are (In random order):
1) Jakarta Indonesia.
2) Manila, Philippines.
3) Singapore.
4) Macau.
5) Thailand.
6) Romania.
7) Czech Republic.
With Jakarta and Manila being the least expensive.
In the above cities and countries, entering a bar and indicating to a girl that you're interested in dating her in return for money would get you a positive reply and 3-4 days of sex and fun in return for an affordable price, if we compare it to escorts and brothels graduates.
Feel free to correct me or expand on my list as you wish.[/QUOTE]Brazil and Russia are the best countries, nobody beats them at sex. Asian girls really suck at sex, aside from Japanese women. Most Asian women can't take a dick.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2163996]In reading the forums, I remember guys saying that Macau is Viet heaven. And of course Macau is a bit more "European" and upscale than other parts of Asia, while still having enough rural countryside to have charm. Of course it wouldn't have spectacular tourist attractions like Angor what (SP?) in Cambodia, but the hotels in Macau would be more girl friendly and certainly the massage parlors are easier to find in Macau for an English only speaker than Cambodia (and Macau incall is more upscale and of course more expensive).
The only thing that bothered me reading the Macau reports was that the many ladies appear to have a strange custom during BBBJ of stopping the action and spitting into a towel or something and then resuming BBBJ (which is not usually done to completion). Is that true? If so, WTF? It goes in your mouth and stays there, sweetheart. No guy wants the flow of action to stop.[/QUOTE]Have heard sauna girls are top class but bloody expensive. Anyone give me exact prices. Camb paying 40 - 80 US. I think Macau is 3 times that?
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2163996]The only thing that bothered me reading the Macau reports was that the many ladies appear to have a strange custom during BBBJ of stopping the action and spitting into a towel or something and then resuming BBBJ (which is not usually done to completion). Is that true? If so, WTF? It goes in your mouth and stays there, sweetheart. No guy wants the flow of action to stop.[/QUOTE]I've had this happen to me one time in my life. It was with a Polish girl working at FKK Goldentime in Germany. Was strange indeed. Must be something they "think" they know that we mongers do not.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2163996]The only thing that bothered me reading the Macau reports was that the many ladies appear to have a strange custom during BBBJ of stopping the action and spitting into a towel or something and then resuming BBBJ (which is not usually done to completion). Is that true? If so, WTF? It goes in your mouth and stays there, sweetheart. No guy wants the flow of action to stop.[/QUOTE]Macau Sauna's are famous for Fire & Ice BBBJ, they can't make this kind of service without stopping the action, they need to change the fluid in their mouth to alternate the sensations of heat and cold.
[QUOTE=NewImage;2164458]Have heard sauna girls are top class but bloody expensive. Anyone give me exact prices. Camb paying 40 - 80 US. I think Macau is 3 times that?[/QUOTE]I been in Macau once at East Spa into Waldo Hotel and I have not found a top class girls. Regular girls (Viet - 2100 MOP) were more cute and sexy for me compared to the Chinese model (2500 MOP) or the super expensive Japanese and Korean (most likely they were not 100% Japanese or Korean and cost over 3000 MOP).
The average price in Macau saunas is 1800/2000 MOP for regular girls, Chinese model and other nationality cost more. Anyway on Macau saunas section I remember that Natty Bumpo and some other members posted exact price list for some saunas.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2164468]Macau Sauna's are famous for Fire & Ice BBBJ, they can't make this kind of service without stopping the action, they need to change the fluid in their mouth to alternate the sensations of heat and cold.
I been in Macau once at East Spa into Waldo Hotel and I have not found a top class girls. Regular girls (Viet - 2100 MOP) were more cute and sexy for me compared to the Chinese model (2500 MOP) or the super expesive Japanese and Korean (most likely they were not 100% Japenese or Korean and cost over 3000 MOP).
The average price in Macau saunas is 1800/2000 MOP for regular girls, Chinese model and other nationality cost more. Anyway on Macau saunas section I remember that Natty Bumpo and some other members posted exact price list for some saunas.[/QUOTE]Thanks CG I am no Cheap Charlie but 1800 MOP is 220 US. My God. Way too much for me when there are similar options else where. But YVMD.
What is the best country if I am really into DFK, BBBJ without upselling and women being a little bit dominant and taking initiative within Europe? I mean cougar type. Budget is not an issue, FKK is not my cup of tea. I feel like girls from eastern Europe are mostly submissive and passive in bed. I feel like Spain would be my choice, but please tell me if there is better option.
[QUOTE=Stero320;2182099]What is the best country if I am really into DFK, BBBJ without upselling and women being a little bit dominant and taking initiative within Europe? I mean cougar type. Budget is not an issue, FKK is not my cup of tea. I feel like girls from eastern Europe are mostly submissive and passive in bed. I feel like Spain would be my choice, but please tell me if there is better option.[/QUOTE]I believe that Spain would be your best choice. Here are four Barcelona independents who fit your tastes perfectly.
[URL]https://www.girlsbcn.co.uk/escort/gbnoa13.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.jacquelinescort.com[/URL]
[URL]https://www.slumi.com/escort-latina-colombiana-paisita-24hrs-independiente-te-atiendo-en-piso-privado-id-7qy3b[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/bellalaura-andaluza-arago-casanova-bcn-604245721-blog-t304772.html[/URL]
Here is a Madrid independent (currently on vacation), whose reviews indicate she meets your profile. And links to the two well regarded Madrid brothels that specialize in high performing ladies who have worked at those places for quite some time. Mariana gets particularly good reviews.
[URL]https://www.girlsbcn.co.uk/escort/gbcarmen18.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.placermadrid.es/galeria/mariana/[/URL]
[URL]http://palaciodelplacer.es/[/URL]
Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2182536]Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.[/QUOTE]You don't get nude at the FKK clubs, that's what the girls do although that's true in just a few of the clubs that are really FKK's, most of the time they wear underwear. Sometimes all you get is a towel to wrap around your waist but usually it's a bathrobe. Next up RTFF.
[QUOTE=Downandup;2182754]You don't get nude at the FKK clubs, that's what the girls do although that's true in just a few of the clubs that are really FKK's, most of the time they wear underwear. Sometimes all you get is a towel to wrap around your waist but usually it's a bathrobe. Next up RTFF.[/QUOTE]Right, but maybe he is shy and don't want to take a shower in the locker rooms with other guys.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2182536]Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.[/QUOTE]I would recommend you skip Europe, unless you want to blow a lot of cash.
The Netherlands? London? Switzerland? You've got to be joking. The last Dutch punter I met always went across to the border to Germany for sex. The Brits who do Europe on this forum seem to favor Malaga. Nice destination by most accounts, but expensive by ISG global standards.
As Christian G suggested, read the forum further. Its obvious you are a serious newbie and you seem to be starting off in the wrong direction.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2182536]Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.[/QUOTE]A lot of guys able and willing to spend a lot rave about London's high-end call girl scene, particularly the fetish-friendly girls. There is a lot of quality there, but the prices are very high. Same thing with Prague, with the prices being slightly lower. ISG is not particularly friendly to reports of outcall escorts at a relatively high price. But if you take a few hours to read through those forums, you will get a lot of information. The other countries you mention have few ISG reports for outcall escorts in ISG, nor did they have many outcall escort reports on the big American review sites prior to the shutdown of those sites.
If you want a European vacation with outcall escorts to your hotel at a more affordable price, you should take a hard look at Lisbon, Portugal. In general, 150 euros will get you a full hour with multiple cums and no upsells for BBBJ, CIM or anal (if the lady offers it). Most ladies are bbbjand many are CIM. My favorite group there is escortprivada, with the most often reviewed ladies being Carlota, Carolina, Sara and Alexandra, all of whom speak excellent English. There is a big advertising site called apartadox that has a lot of independents offering outcall who are BBBJ and have excellent reviews indicating that they speak English. Even though I can think of five off the top of my head, there are plenty of others, also. The ones that come to mind are Lila, Eva Sanchez, Anna Silva, Barbara Mello. Two others that don't have current ads but may return soon are Adriana Lima and Emma Martinez. The Lisbon thread will give you plenty of other names and recommendations. Pay particular attention to Kama's posts if you are into high performing MILFs.
I mention so many to illustrate that a person would have no difficulty getting a different quality lady in his hotel room every night during a vacation of a normal length. Although Lisbon is often a forgotten city, it has everything you could want in Europe, except for being a little weak in terms of huge art museums. In the city itself, there is an ancient castle / fortress called the San Jorge castle that is walking distance to two hilly "old city" colorful neighborhoods with trams, a really good museum with an eclectic collection of art and treasures, what is widely regarded as the best oceanarium in Europe. A short train ride gets you to the Sintra castles and surrounding woods, which are rare for being maintained castles (except for the Moorish castle which is among the best ruins in Europe), and the nearby Apple Beach and its beach hiking trails to see dinosaur footprints. Other interesting day trips are to Evora or to Cascais (which has an abundance of beaches and biking / hiking trails, in addition to a casino in Estoril).
So if you want a European trip with girls in a private room (which I took to mean your hotel room), you should consider Lisbon.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2182536]Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.[/QUOTE]Is your trip primarily a sex holiday or a holiday with a bit of sex? I've not done Lisbon for sex but can confirm the other poster's comments on what a great city to visit. Spain is great in that regard also — wonderful for touring and relatively cheap. The sex is not the cheapest but pretty great options.
If sex is the priority, then there is no other destination in Europe that rivals the FKK. Its really not a nude guy scene, as others point out. The rooms are fully private. You will potentially see other guys junk in the showers but its no different from gym class except they are fatter and older!
Don't discount London if you are after a mix of touring and sex. The 150 £ an hour girls are great if you get a well reviewed one. 200 w CIM. Diva has literally hundreds of girls and is fun just to browse. The incall at the small flats throughout London is a great experience IMO.
How long is your vacation? If its less than 8 days for sure you have to stick to EU zone, if at least you can manage 10 nights I would rather hit SEA, obviously depends were you are located re. Logistics. As for EU my tip goes for Frankfurt, loads of opportunities there, walk ups, massages, then the FKK scene were you can spend a whole day / night.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2182536]Planning a new trip for this summer. Where would you all recommend? Germany vs Netherlands vs Switzerland vs London / UK? I'm not into the idea for the FKK clubs and getting nude in front of a bunch of other guys. I was hoping for some more one on one action in a private room.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bugzy69;2183169]How long is your vacation? If its less than 8 days for sure you have to stick to EU zone, if at least you can manage 10 nights I would rather hit SEA, obviously depends were you are located re. Logistics. As for EU my tip goes for Frankfurt, loads of opportunities there, walk ups, massages, then the FKK scene were you can spend a whole day / night.[/QUOTE]Vacation will be about 5 days. Maybe I can try to do 2 countries which seems a bit rushed but doable. Thoughts on going to countries where sex work isn't regulated (women might not be as frequently tested? Switzerland, Netherlands and Germany kind of give me some peace of mind with STD's.
Hi guys,
New to this forum. I'm an Asian monger (Pattaya, Thailand is like a second home) and I have always craved for a western girl (I have only had Ukrainian but never European or American), I would really like to check this off my list. However I'm all about the GFE (DFK, cuddling, and yes hanging out before and after the deed and partying). I have done my share of RTFF, my conclusion is Germany (Frankfurt FKK clubs)? Is this what you guys would recommend me too?
Can anyone recommend a good country Europe for Brown fever (Indian etc)?
Is there any country that has legalized sex work (Netherlands, Germany etc) that mandates / requires sex workers to go for weekly health screenings / check ups? Trying to figure out a place to minimize my risk.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2194530]Is there any country that has legalized sex work (Netherlands, Germany etc) that mandates / requires sex workers to go for weekly health screenings / check ups? Trying to figure out a place to minimize my risk.[/QUOTE]Austria requires weekly exam, but every weekly exam does not include a blood test (visual examination only). The blood test used to be every 6 weeks, but they changed the frequency a couple years ago and I forget how often the blood exam is now. Each worker in the clubs has a card that gets stamped by the doctor every week. The clubs in Austria are very good about enforcing this requirement because if a girl does not have her stamped card for that week, then the police (if she is caught during one of the periodic controls) gives a 300 Euro fine to the club and a 300 Euro fine to the girl individually.
If you wear a raincoat during sex though, you'll be fine. The chances of catching anything from unprotected oral is quite, quite low. It happens, but it is quite low probability -- and if you catch anything from unprotected oral, you can just take the treatment. The most likely thing you will catch, if anything, is a fungal infection which can be cured in 2-3 weeks with antifungal cream. To give you a frame of reference, I've had hundreds and hundreds of unprotected BJs over years and years and I have never ever caught an STD (confirmed by periodic STD tests). During these many years, I've caught 3 different kinds of fungal infections and 2 non-serious urinary tract infections and that's it. Oh, I also had one ingrown hair on my balls that freaked me out and scared the crap out of me since I didn't know what it was until the doctor explained to me that it was just an ingrown hair. Then again, a friend of mine who doesn't hobby nearly as much as me got chlamydia from a BJ from a stripper once, so it can happen. If you have a wife you need to worry about, then it may not be worth it to take these chances.
In any case, the chances of catching stuff from unprotected oral is so low that I would not discriminate against various countries based on their health testing policies -- as long as you are wearing your raincoat during sex (important if you don't want to catch STDs). In any developed country, the girls are going to seek medical attention anyways if they have any symptoms. So, I don't feel any less safe in Germany for example than when I visit Austria. Any feeling of extra safety that Austria may offer because of its formal health testing requirement is likely illusionary. But, if it makes you feel better, then by all means, consider that Austria has this requirement.
I feel this post is taking into account price to much. What do people think are the best locations not factoring for price at all.
[QUOTE=VonderJohn;2164140]Reading around the forum, including this thread, I conclude that the best cities / countries for STR are (In random order):
1) Jakarta Indonesia.
2) Manila, Philippines.
3) Singapore.
4) Macau.
5) Thailand.
6) Romania.
7) Czech Republic.
With Jakarta and Manila being the least expensive..[/QUOTE]
Looking to monger on a budget about 1000 1500 USD, excluding fights and stay, 2000 USD budget for that.
I want to try Colombian girls, from what I have read on videos and cam-sites they sound amazing, but not sure if it makes sense financially. I am in India presently and the flights alone will cost 2 K USD. Any advice on what would be the best places to monger close to home, on a budget, with good quality?
(FKK Germany is not an option).
[QUOTE=IAmTrout;2109327]Thanks for the info!
Are there any specific resources or sites that you can give for these countries? Maybe even some more active message boards specifically for eastern Europe? I've noticed that a lot of the reports on ISG don't even mention prices paid, which IMO is a completely useless report.
When you say that you often have to work hard, you mean you've got to call and text a lot of numbers? That's just how it's done in Europe?[/QUOTE]Either you have phone numbers or websites where you never know what you get, you are more likely to have 2-3 ladies rather than 20-30 to choose from. If you need to find a middle man such as a taxi driver who drops you at secret places you never know what you end up with. It is trial and error. All these places mentioned don't seem to offer just a simple line up of ladies, you choose one, negotiate the price with the pimp and the action starts. Eastern Europe seems to have more the bar / night club set up, I assume the hard work here will be not to get your wallet emptied before your balls are emptied.
Multi storey buildings with rooms rented out to prostitutes or these designated streets where the prostitute are sitting behind windows and have the room upstairs is the easiest. I have found this in Germany and the Netherlands and still wonder who can tell me where else in Europe to find a similar set up.
When I read all these reports regarding Eastern Europe then I think why bother if it is not even substantially better value than in west europe?
[QUOTE=JohnDoe091;2200099]Looking to monger on a budget about 1000 1500 USD, excluding fights and stay, 2000 USD budget for that.
I want to try Colombian girls, from what I have read on videos and cam-sites they sound amazing, but not sure if it makes sense financially. I am in India presently and the flights alone will cost 2 K USD. Any advice on what would be the best places to monger close to home, on a budget, with good quality?
(FKK Germany is not an option).[/QUOTE]From India take a flight for Bangkok than a bus (or taxi) and go to Pattaya, alot of cheap options there.
I love Latinas' curvy bodies but what really turns me off is the implants they have. I love natural bodies but implants seem to be everywhere. Which Latin American country has the least amount of plastic surgery on the working girls?
[QUOTE=Gropai;2205100]I love Latinas' curvy bodies but what really turns me off is the implants they have. I love natural bodies but implants seem to be everywhere. Which Latin American country has the least amount of plastic surgery on the working girls?[/QUOTE]Can very much relate to you, buddy. I never understood how people can enjoy fake stuff.
Interesting question. I guess not all countries collect data on that but from what I found out it has to do for one thing with the economic situation meaning less money in total, less money to waste on this. Then it also seems the more latin / caribbean, the more implants. Didn't find any numbers on countries with large indio populations.
Tit-job procedures with silicon in 2016:
Brazil 200 K.
Mexico 58 K.
Columbia 40 k.
Venezuela 23 k.
Argentina 17 k.
But need to compare it to population still because it is obvious considering the population of Brazil that it may have more than let's say Uruguay.
[QUOTE=Amine615;2187666]Can anyone recommend a good country Europe for Brown fever (Indian etc)?[/QUOTE]Obviously you may find some indians in Britain, though I wonder exactly where in our business. And for the rest of Europe, the chance is highest whereever there are larger gipsy population Bulgaria, Czech, Hungary, Romania etc.
I was driving the freeway today and somehow started playing this mind game. If I walked into a brothel in Madrid and was presented an optically equal-looking chica from each Latin American country, who would I choose just based on my experiences? Given my average sex experience, what girl would be my best bet? I rank them as following:
Brasil.
Paraguay.
Argentina.
Peru.
Nicaragua.
Venezuela.
Colombia.
Chile.
Mexico.
Dominican Republic.
Costa Rica.
Uruguay.
Excepting Colombia and Dominican Republic, my experiences with the countries below Peru have a very small sample size and probably should not be included in the study.
From your list, and only in my experience, I'the rank Nicaragua highest because I had the kinkiest costeña on my arm for about six months. Better oral in Peru, but la Nica asked for everything else including once with her "cousin" (love those extended families!
Cast the net wider and make your mind game global, and I'the have to put Philippenes, Hungary and Vietnam in the top five.
[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2211683]I was driving the freeway today and somehow started playing this mind game. If I walked into a brothel in Madrid and was presented an optically equal-looking chica from each Latin American country, who would I choose just based on my experiences? Given my average sex experience, what girl would be my best bet? I rank them as following:
Brasil.
Paraguay.
Argentina.
Peru.
Nicaragua.
Venezuela.
Colombia.
Chile.
Mexico.
Dominican Republic.
Costa Rica.
Uruguay.
Excepting Colombia and Dominican Republic, my experiences with the countries below Peru have a very small sample size and probably should not be included in the study.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chacal60;2211702]From your list, and only in my experience, I'the rank Nicaragua highest because I had the kinkiest costea on my arm for about six months. Better oral in Peru, but la Nica asked for everything else including once with her "cousin" (love those extended families!
Cast the net wider and make your mind game global, and I'the have to put Philippenes, Hungary and Vietnam in the top five.[/QUOTE]I was just thinking about Latin America because I am about to go to Colombia. I have been to the other places you mentioned. Budapest is underrated by the ISG community.
Hi all,
I will be going to Vienna in October for a business meeting. I have 3 extra days. I have been looking to spend it with a high class (meaning that no FKKs) tall, beautiful girl (isn't is what most of us want? Money and budget should not be a problem. I can book the girl for ST or even 2/3 days too. Should I stay in Vienna (would be in Vienna for further 3 days though for business) should I go somewhere to find a girl of dream (GF like) like Serbia (Belgrade), Prague or Hungary? Any suggestions or advise is most welcome.
[QUOTE=ReedAndy14;2194795]I feel this post is taking into account price to much. What do people think are the best locations not factoring for price at all.[/QUOTE]Kenya!
You can even make $260 USD for each widow that you "cleanse" and it doesn't get better than being paid for what you would pay to do and love.
[URL]https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-10-23/these-kenyan-widows-are-fighting-against-sexual-cleansing[/URL]
Greetings for my first post. Thank you all for providing such valuable information!
I have spent the past few days reading many of the city threads from a variety of countries. I have also spent some time looking through the various escort search engines and agency sites. I write this so you may know I have tried to answer my own question.
One thing I have not found often is talk about fetish experiences. Specifically I mean them pegging me (strap on passive) and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url], but that is just a few examples. I'm interested in most others.
Do others have similar tastes as I do?
Any advice on how to research friendly cities to go to or methods (websites etc.) to find what I am after?
Any advice is appreciated!
Rogeraims1,
Madrid is the least expensive of the following.
[URL]https://spalumi.com/f14/diosas-y-sumisas-36277/index133.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.somostusdiosaspecaminosas.xxx/inicio/[/URL]
You should open these links using the Google Chrome browser to read the reviews in English. This same place has doms, subs and switches. Incredibly they don't have email or WhatsApp, nor does the madam speak English. They offer all forms of sex. Here is my understanding of the address.
The address is General Yague 62. To get buzzed in you press the 1 then the 9 then the * button. You go to the third floor and then go to apartment see.
By the way, take the elevators in Spain. They label their floor numbers differently than in North America, so taking the stairs becomes confusing. The elevators are always marked with "English" numbers.
Montreal has a fantastic full-service escort service. Their website is shit. If you use an iPad you will get virus pop-up ads, which you can just close the pop-ups and ignore and go back to the site. The pop-ups and redirects are harmless but annoying.
[URL]http://montrealunicornhealers.com/montreal-kinky-session-montreal/[/URL]
London is the BDSM capital of the world. But it is expensive and reviews with sufficient details are sometimes difficult to come by. It is my perception that many London BDSM providers are relatively more likely to do CBJ instead of BBBJ, in comparison to the other cities I mention.
[URL]http://www.londonsubmissivegirls.com/submissive-services.html[/URL]
[URL]https://poppyfoxldn.com/index.php/about-kinky-london-escort-poppy-fox/[/URL]
I know I am linking to more subs and switches, but most fetish ladies offer what you asked about. If not, they can refer you to a friend.
Finally, this Prague agency communicates well in English. They are more outcall than incall oriented, so you will need your own equipment. And they upsell many activities, but you can get a price quote in advance.
[URL]http://www.pragueescorts.org/portfolio/category/domina-escorts-prague/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.pragueescorts.org/portfolio/category/submisssive-escorts-prague/[/URL]
And you need to bring your own stuff with these Barcelona escorts, but they aim to please and are open-minded.
[URL]http://m.jacquelinescort.com/servicios/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/noa-secret-catalana-urgell-mallorca-bcn-648851259-blog-t271987.html[/URL]
Noa doesn't do much submissive activities, but she advertises dom stuff.
Hope this helps.
Mongerer88 Wow, I appreciate the time you put in to your information! I have given each site and suggestion a thorough investigation.
In doing so, I now have a set of general questions that I ask everyone.
Is Germany a good country for fetish experiences? I see no mention in FKKs, RLDs and the like.
Is Asia (especially Thailand but also the Philippines) a good country for fetish experiences? I also see no mention in the many reports. The girls there do seem passive.
Does anyone have information regarding these activities in the aforementioned countries?
I have to admit those two countries were top contenders for my first trip, but now it seems that Spain is very quickly topping the charts! The quoted prices are in a different category from the prices in places such as London or even Prague and the reports seems favorable. I admit I thought that Prague would be cheaper. The reports also do not seem favorable.
It seems the best approach regardless of city or country is to find specific providers on city specific forums or agency sites. I will do so once I narrow down my choice of cities to visit.
Thailand is good for anything. BarBar and Demonia are occasionally mentioned in a few Bangkok posts. The ladies are not usually mentioned as being as hot as ladies in other more traditional places, but keep in mind that some of those posts were made by guys not as into fetish. For full disclosure, I poked my head into The Castle in Pattaya but didn't see anything that interested me at the prices that were quoted, which were high for Pattaya. But I might have had a different opinion if I had booked something. I had just finished a traditional session at an incall place a couple of hours before, so I wasn't highly motivated.
[URL]http://barbarfetishclub.com[/URL]
[URL]http://www.demoniabangkok.com[/URL]
[URL]https://openadultdirectory.com/bdsm/Thailand/[/URL]
If I wanted something specific in Thailand, I wouldn't hesitate to simply contact one of the reviewed agencies and ask which ladies offer it, and which ones who do also speak the best English I found this group to be open and honest. Trust me, they have gotten every possible request in Thailand. No reason to be shy about asking.
[URL]https://www.bangkokgoldescorts.com/rates.html[/URL]
One delightful lady from this group actually brought a bag full of toys and told me that the butt plugs were "for butt". I told her I already knew that, but she was still delightfully cute.
I don't think you are going to have any difficulty finding what you want in Bangkok, Madrid, Montreal, London, Prague or Barcelona. Especially since the fetish activity you inquired about isn't that unusual. Several of the large commercial brothels in Barcelona have ladies offering fetish, particularly on the domme side. They upsell it, which I find irritating, so I recommended a couple of independents in my last response. But even with the upsells, they are less expensive than London or Prague. And the non-upsell places in Barcelona like Vecinitasbcn, teensbcn and Eden53 likely have ladies offering this service if you ask them via WhatsApp.
But as far as Spain is concerned, Madrid has the larger and less expensive fetish scene than Barcelona. They are a short train ride away, so it is easy to visit both cities.
Someone more knowledgeable than me can discuss Germany and the Philippines. My perception is that Germany has a strong fetish scene offered by independents that is relatively more geared toward locals. The issue is whether you can communicate with the provider in English and figure out how to get to her place. I have simply never read much about the existence of any fetish activities at the FKKs or the RLDs in Germany. Berlin used to have several brothels with BDSM ladies, dommes and light subs, but they seem to have gone out of business. I have long argued that the existence of large FKKs "take the air out of the room" from a competitive standpoint, but that is somewhat off topic.
[QUOTE=Rojeraims1;2253983]Mongerer88 Wow, I appreciate the time you put in to your information! I have given each site and suggestion a thorough investigation.
In doing so, I now have a set of general questions that I ask everyone.
Is Germany a good country for fetish experiences? I see no mention in FKKs, RLDs and the like.
Is Asia (especially Thailand but also the Philippines) a good country for fetish experiences? I also see no mention in the many reports. The girls there do seem passive..[/QUOTE]
Rojeraims1,
Further to my last message, it appears that more Berlin brothels featuring a fetish lady or two on staff are active than I realized.
[URL]https://royalgirl.de[/URL]
[URL]https://www.berlinintim.com/bordell-berlin.html[/URL]
And the well thought of independent Suzie Blue rotates between Berlin and London, now.
[URL]http://suzie.blue/home/[/URL]
So you might consider adding Berlin to your list of possibilities in addition to Bangkok, Madrid, London, Montreal, Prague and Barcelona.
Obviously they all have different charms and attractions, and we do not know where you are travelling from and what your non-mongering interests are.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2254099]Thailand is good for anything. BarBar and Demonia are occasionally mentioned in a few Bangkok posts. The ladies are not usually mentioned as being as hot as ladies in other more traditional places, but keep in mind that some of those posts were made by guys not as into fetish. For full disclosure, I poked my head into The Castle in Pattaya but didn't see anything that interested me at the prices that were quoted, which were high for Pattaya. .[/QUOTE]If you are a master looking for slave girl places like BarBar in Bangkok and The Castle in Pattaya are simply tourist trap in my experience with high price and very limited service.
[QUOTE=Rojeraims1;2253983]...
Is Germany a good country for fetish experiences? I see no mention in FKKs, RLDs and the like.
Is Asia (especially Thailand but also the Philippines) a good country for fetish experiences? I also see no mention in the many reports...[/QUOTE]Germany yes, Thailand and probably also the Philippines no. Fetish is a developped country thing, not something you will find much in fucking factories like Thailand. Besides, who would want to be dominated by a dominatrix the size of most Thai sexworkers? You need a tall girl to get a kick.
Note that German law makes it difficult for girls to be dominated / humiliated by men. So the BDSM scene in Germany is rich in dominatrixes but poor in "Sklavinnen".
https://www.rotelaterne.de/bizarr
South America not as good as Germany but way better than SE Asia.
Thanks ChristianG and XXL.
I had hoped my negative impression of The Castle in Pattaya was just me, but it sounds like it wasn't.
I described what I was interested in at The Castle (which was pretty standard) and the madam said only one girl did that, and she was hideous looking. The Madam quoted a really high price by Thailand standards and kept saying it was time for my mandatory drink, so I said fuck it and left. Honestly, a lot of fetish is best with an independent escort in your hotel room, but that requires that she either bring the correct toys, or the customer needs to put his own stuff in his checked baggage while traveling.
That is one of the reasons I mentioned the Madrid place that has a facility with its own toys and implements and ladies that dom, switch and sub. Unfortunately, the madam uses a landline and only speaks English. That is ridiculous that there is no cell phone with WhatsApp to communicate with Google Translate in this day and age, and we just don't have reports of English-speaking guys who just showed up. They do welcome walk-in (according to the website). I will definitely go on my next Madrid trip and report back. Last time I booked an escort offering what I wanted, but that escort is no longer active. But perhaps we will get some English language reports before then.
I also mentioned Madrid because it is relatively less expensive for fetish than other places. As XXL mentioned, fetish is more of a developed world thing. New York City has a truly top-notch escort group specializing in fetish, but the rates are $550-$700 an hour, which is not of interest to most ISG guys.
And that makes it difficult to rank the best cities. London has a huge fetish scene, but is still expensive by worldwide standards. I have always been disappointed by the lack of detailed reviews on the most inexpensive option, The London Submissive Girls (many of whom seem to be switches in addition to subs). Their reviews on the various boards are very good, but there are not many details regarding important items like BBBJ versus CBJ. Maybe they tell customers that they don't like explicit details. For someone who wants fetish in addition to traditional sexual activities, this affordable independent London lady (slightly outside the city) has incall at her place and received an excellent review here on ISG, in addition to having excellent reviews on the London local boards (and offering BBBJTCIM).
[URL]https://www.adultwork.com/ViewProfile.asp?UserID=1974272[/URL]
Search the London thread for Sweet Petite Sarah to read her ISG review in case this link doesn't go through.
Montreal and Prague are a little bit less expensive than London.
I should have mentioned that Prague also has an independent escort who likes light fetish (both dom and sub) who gets excellent ISG reviews, Louise Pearl, and speaks English.
[URL]https://louisepearl.nl/our-date/[/URL]
And Montreal has another agency offering both incall and outcall with ladies offering fetish. I previously mentioned the excellent Unicorns agency that specializes in fetish. But a person should give Mikes Mansion a look, also. Note that the ladies at Mikes Mansion upcharge for fetish. Of particular interest would be the well reviewed April Rose. Rojeraims1 mentioned pegging, and if it were me, I would choose someone who accepts anal on her or clearly does it a lot. You don't necessarily want an inexperienced escort doing that activity on you if she isn't either experienced in doing that on a lot of guys and / or experienced in getting it done to her.
[URL]http://www.mikesmansion.com/models.php[/URL]
Finally, I couldn't open XXL's link for Germany, so here it is.
[URL]https://www.rotelaterne.de/bizarr[/URL]
And thanks for his explanation of why you never see good ads with explicit language for German subs and switch BDSM providers. I presume the activity goes on in Germany, it is just not advertised or mentioned. That presumably explains why Suzie Blue tamed down the Submissive ad section of her website when she started alternating between London and Berlin. Previously her reviews on the big American review board were mostly for her as a sub, but she does both dom and sub according to her ad.
[URL]http://suzie.blue/what-i-like/[/URL]
My concern about South America is the lack of English with a lot of providers. Not quite sure how you find what you want in the fetish world there unless you speak English since technological communication is not as good as it is for Europe.
That is all I know.
Thanks to Mongerer88 for letting me know this thread exists. It's great to be able to compare and contrast.
It's been an age since I've posted anything. (I'm mostly in the Prague thread) I just started again to try to stay sane, I'm posting up older reports from my time in Germany, I still am more or less retired from the hobby but I feel like I need to report on my my last mongering trip to Germany some time ago. It was a good trip, something akin to a last hurrah for me, until I can come up with the cash to do it again, but that won't be in a while. I lost count of the number of chicks I banged, but I'm glad to say I was finally able to experience what a real FKK was like. And that really got me thinking, and I'm here just to rant more than anything else because it's just depressing fellas. Think about it, if you live in Germany, and you feel horny, what do you do? You got so many options for sex it's just mind-boggling. You could walk into your local FKK and stay there for hours and take your time picking the chick you want to bang. Over time, months even, you get to know the stable of chicks you like and connect with, and every other day you get new chicks coming in. I was stunned, really freaking stunned when I was there. I just couldn't believe how lucky the average german fella is because of all the options he has. Words can't describe it.
The point is dudes, where I am and where I'm from, it's a sexual wasteland. Feeling horny, what are my options here? Pretty bad, that's what it is. You want something nice, you got to pay premium prices, and anything else is just some rub and tug that ain't worth it. Even Canadians have it better with the sexual wonderland that's Montreal (escorts mainly). Even Singapore has Geylang where you could roam for literally hours just looking. Once in a while you find a real gem that rocks your world there. And although I've been hearing of the slow deterioration of the privat scene in Prague, they at least still have a scene, and still some brothels, so it's still way, way better than here. I feel tired of the lack of options where I live. I wish I had the options of Germany, Prague, Thailand, Singapore, etc, etc and on and on. Hong Kong, Japan, even Seoul. Places that have actual real life, legal and semi-legal red light districts.
Over the years, I've started to really and truly appreciate the joyous world of mongering. Straightforward and simple. How much, what do I get, let's fuck. The fact that I got to save cash and then plan over time to be able to go on a blow-out sexcapade is frustrating, because just imagine if I could, say, after work one day, take a train or walk down to the local red light area, or brothel and just fuck. And then go home. I tell ya, you fellas that live in Germany, Austria, Spain, etc. You guys are a lucky bunch. I'm just saying. And that's my rant.
It's something, my time in Germany. I'm glad I experienced it. Was it all perfect? No, but there was much more good than bad, and even all this time later I still am able to remember a few of my favorite fucks. I got to fuck romanians, polish, germans, spanish, bulgarians, etc, and of course was very lucky to find some czechs as well. Maybe it's my pro-czech stance but I've found them to be the best service-wise. Overall, the chicks in the FKK's run the gamut of not willing to kiss to outright awesome deep french tongue battle kissing action. From what I remember, practically all of them gave BBBJ. But the strangest thing was one of my better fucks was at Breitte Gasse in Frankfurt, a very attractive spanish speaking younger MILF type. Everything was covered, but her body was just stupid hot, and for some reason her pussy was tight, like fucking-awesome-made-me-cum-easy tight. She had such a beautiful face. I basically fell in love with her. In my time in Frankfurt, I went to see her 3 times I think. I got her name in the notes, will be in the full report. (in the Frankfurt thread).
Okay, so to the point here, let's say hypothetically I had cash enough for one crazy sex trip, where would I go?
Possible options (never been to, want to checkout) :
Hong Kong / Macau combo. The spa / saunas of Macau are apparently world famous, with a variety of options and nationalities. Prices are on the higher side, almost ridiculously so. Hong Kong itself has those seedier one woman apartment type deals. A little curious about them. Plenty of touristy stuff to partake in while recuperating between fucks.
Warsaw. I have always been very curious about this 'Club Imperium' by the airport. Not too much has been written about it, but from what little I've gathered, it's okay. That whole 'odloty' thing is worth a look-see too, though again from what I can tell, it's not so easy for us english speakers. Apparently a lot of brothels randomly here and there, but unable to find much information on them. Looks like a good deal of touristy stuff to occupy my time in between getting laid. And from what I understand, some of the hotels have escorts in the bars. I've always been fascinated by that.
Vienna / Bratislava combo. It goes without saying that Vienna has options. Laufhauses, FKK's, etc. With Maxim Club seeming to be on everyone's to do list, but at 200 euros an hour, it seems kind of pricey to me. From what I've read, some of the brothels come in at 100 euros an hour, so not too bad, and the city itself has a lot of touristy things to check out, not to mention a pretty straightforward trip to nearby Bratislava. Might even be enough time to check out Bratislava's brothels while there.
Brazil: On the recommendation of a fellow hobbyist, but I might be too chicken shit to go here. With the way I am, I'd be mugged within 10 min of arrival. But I'm going to do some real research and go through the Sau Paulo thread, give it a real chance before I come to a conclusion.
Tokyo: Tokyo Hentai Club. Period.
Possible options (been to, thinking maybe going again) :
Prague: I love czech women. It goes without saying that even when I was in Germany, the best fucks I had there was with the czech girls. Scanning the pages here, while it's sad that many of our most favorite privats are no longer around, privat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] looks like a good option. And I can always spend hours just roaming the halls of showpark. (This was when it was cheapt though) I spent a great deal of time wearing the soles of my shoes down just going around in circles there way back when. Sweet paradise is ok too. And I wouldn't mind spending a few hours with Wendy Moon or Kattie Gold. After my experience with Lucie Theorodova, I definitely want to fuck me another pornstar.
Bangkok: Cheap. That's one word to describe it. The women are okay. Looks wise, they can't match the eastern european beauties. Performance wise, they're ok, but put it this way fellas. The worst I ever had in Prague, was still better than the worst I had in Bangkok. While Bangkok wasn't a total disaster, I did have some good ones, I had 2 of the worst mongering experiences I have ever had in my entire hobbying career. If I created a top-ten list of worst mongering fucks ever, the number 1 and 2 slots would be from Bangkok. Granted, I fucked a lot while I was there because it was cheap, so the law of averages definitely would mean I'd come across bad ones at some point, but man they were bad. Makes me afraid now to go back. But then again it's cheap. It's not just the girls that are cheap, but the hotels too. For me, I'm flying half way round the world staying at five star hotels, and its cheaper than Europe even though Europe is just across the Atlantic? The math is just better. And the last time I was there I dedicated most of my time to chicks, so there's still some touristy stuff to be done.
Frankfurt: Fkks and Bahnohfvierstel. Nuff said.
Possible options but unlikely for any number of reasons:
Jakarta, Medellin, Panama City, Santiago De Chile, Lima. Cheap but seems too dangerous and messy to me. If I was a manlier man with some huge cojones, I'd go to these places in a heartbeat. But with the way I am, I'd be ripped apart to shreds before I even left the airport. I won't lie to you, the mega-brothels of Jakarta I've been reading about seem like paradise to me, the prices are okay, the nationalities that can be found is surprising to say the least, but I just don't know. It's definitely something to think about.
Berlin. Now, having been to all over south and south-west Germany, Berlin might seem like a retread, and FKK Artemis is apparently pricier and without much competition either (that's why I chose Frankfurt way back when), and my main reason to visit Berlin is gone. One of my all time had-to-fucks was Lora Gora. She's got great reviews out there. But so much time has passed since I first learned about her, that I wonder if she still looks great.
Seoul, Taipei, - While they have red light districts, it doesn't seem as foreigner friendly, especially Seoul with just Hooker Hill. And I've had my fair share of Korean and Chinese chicks, not too interested in that much no more. Although to be fair, the best single fuck I have ever had in my life was with a Korean chick, but she was here in the States, not in Korea. And I just don't know about the touristy stuff to do there. Doesn't seem like much.
Budapest. That whole 'Rosszlanyok' thing definitely kept me thinking. It seems easier to use than 'odloty', I saw some real stunners there, and they seem to be viable for us foreigner types. I figure it's about looking at profiles that have reviews, and those that have some reviews in english probably means they fucked someone who spoke english, so it's looking on the up and up. But somehow the city itself doesn't appeal to me much. Not sure why.
Ok, so what do you guys think? Given one place and say a week to monger, where should I go? Given the experiences I've had, I'd prefer quality over volume, so in that regard, Prague and Frankfurt wins. I really want to try me some Colombian cities, but I'm too scared to try. Too much of a pussy to give it a shot.
This is all theoretical and hypothetical of course, if I was a rich man, I'd go to all these places now and never stop. I just wrote all this stuff down some time ago when I actually had the time and money, just never got around to posting, and I didn't know where to post. I didn't know this thread existed in the ISG. This thread is a good place as any to compare cities and countries.
There's a part of me that just wants to say, fuck it, I'm going to Prague again. But there's something about going back to the same place over and over again that doesn't sit too well with me. The world's a huge place, and I'm not a rich man, money's tight, so for the same price, a new city for new experiences is always preferred. But lacking options, I can settle for Prague again.
Newton York,
You should delete Santiago, Chile from your list. It doesn't deserve to be mentioned along with the fine places you wrote about.
You should definitely research São Paulo and PM AltobomGosto about his guide services. Some of the most trusted posters on ISG, including Hungrystud, Steve9696, TheCane and WyattEarp say favorable things about the place. The incalls have published addresses, so it ain't like you have to wonder the streets. If you look on TripAdvisor, there are a lot of biking and guided walking tours that are not expensive and would give you some recreation.
It is easy to complain about the USA, but don't forget that one of the reasons the sex is so much less expensive outside the US is that the same job you do in the US likely pays 1/2 to 1/3rd of that amount in those other countries.
As I said in the other thread, I would consider a Madrid & Barcelona trip in addition to the ones you listed, although there is less opportunity in Spain to look and interact with a lot of affordable ladies prior to fucking one of them.
Asia is really far from the US, and if you weren't that into Bangkok, I doubt that Hong Kong, Macau, or Tokyo is really going to please you.
Many of the other places in Europe you mentioned (other than Germany and Prague) are relatively expensive and not that tourist-friendly. In addition to Spain, I would put Lisbon on the list before Warsaw, Budapest, and Vienna / Bratislavia. But Lisbon is like Montreal in that it is escort (both incall and outcall) by appointment oriented, instead of having lots of ladies awaiting your arrival.
If the Mansion is available, and you like hanging out at a hotel, Medellin is an excellent choice, obviously. You should read the Medellin thread for information. I think the other South American and a Central American destinations you listed (the ones other than Brazil and Colombia) are going to be too much of a hassle if you aren't fluent in Spanish.
[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2268180]Thanks to Mongerer88 for letting me know this thread exists. It's great to be able to compare and contrast.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice and funny writing. Happy mongering in 2019!
So Newton, a few thoughts for you.
Mark Seoul and Taipei off your list. I was in Seoul last year and for a westerner it is a pussy wasteland. I am super deep on my research but in Seoul I could only come up with a happy ending massage. Really tough venue. Researched Taipei enough to know it's not much better.
Definitely read the Macau thread if you are considering that. My impression is it's gone downhill a lot.
As far as places I've been that I would recommend, I tend to like the club scene where you might party a bit and "try out" various girls before making a selection. So your whole night is 3-5 hours long with one or two hours of that as in-room time. Given that framework:
Sao Paulo Brazil. Best Bang for the buck hands down. Several hours in a nice club and leave with a stunner who is going to give you quite a ride. $200-300. Very high class feel. Like going to a top nightclub (called a Boate) where all the girls want to fuck you.
Bangkok Thailand. Truly the least expensive option amongst these, but hit and miss. Be prepared to have a mix of good and bad experiences. And this has a wild carnival type feel to it, which can be good or bad. And unlike other destinations you dont settle in to one club here. There are hundreds. You might stroll between 3-5 different clubs during your selection time. $100-150.
Frankfurt Germany. Of course the legendary FKK. Still a good value and a ton of fun despite being even better "in the good ole days" $200-$800 depending how many times you want to go to the room! Personally I can't resist going less than 3 times and girls are always coming around so it is hard to just chill.
Moscow Russia The clubs themselves can be on the expensive side for drinks bar fine etc. But the girls are well priced. Great gogo atmosphere and facilities. Imagine a really nice US strip club, but you can take any girl, including dancers, waitresses and bar maids and go do the nasty. Lots of fun. $300-400.
Many other options for incall outcall and brothels at these and all the other destinations you note. But for a complete end to end club and girl experience these are the best I have been to.
Hi guys, I do my reading on these forums and thanks for the wonderful ideas. I generally monger in Asia (Thailand mostly) and I would like to expand to Europe and try out white girls (have always eluded me) I have done my reading here and there but I'm generally a bit tied up during the summers, I travel mainly during autumn end or early spring or even winter (October-March) during this time most European countries get too cold for my liking, I like having somewhat warmer places to monger (it actually effects my performance LOL). I have long wanted to go to Berlin and explore FKKs but it gets as cold as 3 degree Celsius. I can go up to as cold as 10 degree Celsius maybe even 7, would be very thankful if good mongering destinations are recommended here for me. Would of course do my own reading to the leads given. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Gsi2810;2290240]Hi guys, I do my reading on these forums and thanks for the wonderful ideas. I generally monger in Asia (Thailand mostly) and I would like to expand to Europe and try out white girls (have always eluded me) I have done my reading here and there but I'm generally a bit tied up during the summers, I travel mainly during autumn end or early spring or even winter (October-March) during this time most European countries get too cold for my liking, I like having somewhat warmer places to monger (it actually effects my performance LOL). I have long wanted to go to Berlin and explore FKKs but it gets as cold as 3 degree Celsius. I can go up to as cold as 10 degree Celsius maybe even 7, would be very thankful if good mongering destinations are recommended here for me. Would of course do my own reading to the leads given. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Pretty much Lisbon, Athens and Barcelona are your best choices.
Madrid is a higher elevation and gets colder than Barcelona. Lisbon and Athens are south of Barcelona from a latitude perspective and perhaps a few degrees warmer, but not by too much.
All three have string mongering scenes in my opinion.
Lisbon has a strong orientation toward whites women, but is somewhat outcall-oriented. A lot of ISG guys seem to prefer incall. You can get incall in Lisbon, but it is perhaps not quite as easy to figure out for tourists as other cities.
Barcelona has relatively inexpensive incall, featuring a combination of local white women (Spaniards are perhaps a little darker skinned than Portuguese) and South Americans. Note that many Venezuelans are actually beautiful white women. The best incall places in Barcelona are Vecinitas, El Eden, teensbcn and Sinners.
Athens is not a city I know much about. Its incall seems to consist of shorter duration sessions that do not seem to be as GFE as Lisbon or Barcelona, from what I have read. I am rather insistent on getting BBBJ instead of CBJ, and I read too many CBJ reports for Athens incall for my tastes. Athens outcall is not as well-reviewed as Lisbon outcall, and Athens outcall seems more dominated by Russian agencies that upsell.
You should read all three threads to match up to your preferences.
If you a fan of outcall then besides cost of girl then there also cost of good hotel room and ease of booking a girl without haggling / negotiations just call up agency.
Which place has good escort service and cheap quality hotels (4 star above) ?
Using the Hilton as standard of "quality hotel", you can stay at a Hilton in Bangkok for $100 USD a night and food / going out cheap plus good escort scenes easy per [URL]smooci.com[/URL].
I have found:
SE Asia.
Jakarta is same but no escort scene where I can call up reliable agency and don't have to go hunting in bars.
Kulua Lumpur is almost as good as Bangkok but not enough outcall places that service non-Chinese customers.
Vietnam just too hard find anything.
Hong Hong Macau hotels too expensive.
Singapore hotels and girls too expensive.
Europe.
Barcelona really great selection of girls but good hotels expensive, in call was the best in Barcelona.
Lisbon had pricy hotels and outcall at 150 eur slightly on high side.
Prauge was only incall for me, couldn't find much reliable affordable quality outcall when compared to incall.
Germany FKK brilliant but only incall and fancy hotels expensive.
Middleast.
Abu-dhabi good hotels but population of girls small, so keep seeing same girls.
Still need to try:
Philippines.
Madrid.
Vienna.
Budapest.
South America.
But I would like to find another trifecta city like Bangkok. Is there another hidden gem of a city out there?
Hi guys,
I was looking on the internet for this and I couldn't find anything helpful so I thought I should ask the professionals: what's the best way to find a girl that will travel with me? I don't mean an escort that will charge by the hour, I mean how or where to find girls willing to travel just to enjoy her time? Should I set my tinder account to a certain country or is there another app / website for that?
[QUOTE=Fiddyq8;2299582]Hi guys,
I was looking on the internet for this and I couldn't find anything helpful so I thought I should ask the professionals: what's the best way to find a girl that will travel with me? I don't mean an escort that will charge by the hour, I mean how or where to find girls willing to travel just to enjoy her time? Should I set my tinder account to a certain country or is there another app / website for that?[/QUOTE]Tinder in that country or seeking arrangements.
Hi all,
I'm going to make a mongering trip at the end of this month. I have about 6-7 days I can travel. I like European women, and I'm totally fine with incall, but I don't mind outcall either. I don't like hassles of trying to deal with independent providers, waiting for them to show up, etc. I was thinking Frankfurt is probably the best place. It has a red light district, the FKK Clubs, multiple escort services, etc. Is Prague similar? I've been to Germany when I was a kid, but never Czech. If you had one place to pick for a mongering trip, where would it be?
While doing some research on Buenos Aires on ISG for a future trip, I got shunted over to the "ArgentinaPrivate" version of ISG. The site mostly has posts from several years ago. The newest posts are garbage posts from scam artists about fake IDs. It looks like the best clubs in Buenos Aires are closed up and even the escort website threads (including the advertiser threads) are deadsville. It is a ghost town. What in the world is up? Anyone know what happened? Did Argentina crack down on mongering?
[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2317483]While doing some research on Buenos Aires on ISG for a future trip, I got shunted over to the "ArgentinaPrivate" version of ISG. The site mostly has posts from several years ago. The newest posts are garbage posts from scam artists about fake IDs. It looks like the best clubs in Buenos Aires are closed up and even the escort website threads (including the advertiser threads) are deadsville. It is a ghost town. What in the world is up? Anyone know what happened? Did Argentina crack down on mongering?[/QUOTE]Guys I know have really enjoyed their nightlife tour with Tejano Libre.
He will fix you up with great girls, and his contact information is in the thread.
For the first night you are there, though, you might consider biting the bullet and paying the high prices of Jesica the University Student. She used to get really great reviews on the now defunct big American review site in its Argentina thread, so I think she is top-notch quality, even though her prices are very high for Buenos Aires.
So I do not think the scene is dead. You have two English-speaking leads. You don't even have that in some countries in South America.
Thanks for the advice. I was also told that the new President closed down all but a handful of clubs, so Tejano Libre and the Internet and Jessica are the main options. Pretty sad that the whole vibrant scene in Argentina has been ruined by a bunch of Puritans. For now, I'll just refocus to Lima / Bogota / Cartagena / Rio. Those seem like the hottest spots in South America, at least measured by activity on the ISG boards. Tejano Libre does seem to have a great reputation, so if I do end up in Buenos Aires, he'll be the first one I'll contact. Thanks again!
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2317518]Guys I know have really enjoyed their nightlife tour with Tejano Libre.
He will fix you up with great girls, and his contact information is in the thread.
For the first night you are there, though, you might consider biting the bullet and paying the high prices of Jesica the University Student. She used to get really great reviews on the now defunct big American review site in its Argentina thread, so I think she is top-notch quality, even though her prices are very high for Buenos Aires.
So I do not think the scene is dead. You have two English-speaking leads. You don't even have that in some countries in South America.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2317799]Thanks for the advice. I was also told that the new President closed down all but a handful of clubs, so Tejano Libre and the Internet and Jessica are the main options. Pretty sad that the whole vibrant scene in Argentina has been ruined by a bunch of Puritans. For now, I'll just refocus to Lima / Bogota / Cartagena / Rio. Those seem like the hottest spots in South America, at least measured by activity on the ISG boards. Tejano Libre does seem to have a great reputation, so if I do end up in Buenos Aires, he'll be the first one I'll contact. Thanks again![/QUOTE]I don't know that it is ruined, the delivery mechanism has changed, as is the case in many other countries.
With Buenos Aires, due to the lack of English, it does present a problem.
Many makes throughout the world are shifting from a "club scene" to an appointment-booking scene. There may be a few Puritans who object to the existence of clubs, but there is also a lot of desired efficiency for the ladies who have less "down-time" prowling the clubs looking for customers.
There are plenty of good sex workers available in Argentina. The issue is finding them. The hot ladies who communicate well in English are charging a significant premium, since there are relatively few of them. The posters who used to contribute heavily to Argentina Private do not seem to be forthcoming with information. Tejano is still an enormous resource at a reasonable cost. I used a different translator / booker years ago, and I think I have lost her contact information, but she was very good.
There are plenty of escorts who advertise online, and those who accept WhatsApp can likely be contacted using Google Translate, but finding good reviews for Buenos Aires escorts has become increasingly difficult.
It isn't really that much easier to get specific reviews of specific escorts in Brazil or Colombia, but the continued existence of places to go where a guy can find a tremendous number of ladies in one place continues to exist in those countries.
Fortunately, the overall service level in Buenos Aires has traditionally been very high, so I suspect taking a chance with even an unreviewed escort might result in a good session.
[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2290754]If you a fan of outcall then besides cost of girl then there also cost of good hotel room and ease of booking a girl without haggling / negotiations just call up agency.
Which place has good escort service and cheap quality hotels (4 star above) ?
Using the Hilton as standard of "quality hotel", you can stay at a Hilton in Bangkok for $100 USD a night and food / going out cheap plus good escort scenes easy per [URL]smooci.com[/URL].
I have found:
SE Asia.
Jakarta is same but no escort scene where I can call up reliable agency and don't have to go hunting in bars.
Kulua Lumpur is almost as good as Bangkok but not enough outcall places that service non-Chinese customers.
Vietnam just too hard find anything.
Hong Hong Macau hotels too expensive.
Singapore hotels and girls too expensive.
Europe.
Barcelona really great selection of girls but good hotels expensive, in call was the best in Barcelona.
Lisbon had pricy hotels and outcall at 150 eur slightly on high side.
Prauge was only incall for me, couldn't find much reliable affordable quality outcall when compared to incall.
Germany FKK brilliant but only incall and fancy hotels expensive.
Middleast.
Abu-dhabi good hotels but population of girls small, so keep seeing same girls.
Still need to try:
Philippines.
Madrid.
Vienna.
Budapest.
South America.
But I would like to find another trifecta city like Bangkok. Is there another hidden gem of a city out there?[/QUOTE]I rarely see much appreciation of this great city. The women are passionate, not at all mechanical. Hotels can be reasonable, food is great. Just did a week long trip and had an amazing time. This was my third over the years and all have been wonderful experiences.
[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2317483]While doing some research on Buenos Aires on ISG for a future trip, I got shunted over to the "ArgentinaPrivate" version of ISG. The site mostly has posts from several years ago. The newest posts are garbage posts from scam artists about fake IDs. It looks like the best clubs in Buenos Aires are closed up and even the escort website threads (including the advertiser threads) are deadsville. It is a ghost town. What in the world is up? Anyone know what happened? Did Argentina crack down on mongering?[/QUOTE]Differs from my experience. During the course of last winter I spent several months in Argentina and had a thoroughly splendid time. I restricted myself to girls handpicked from Seeking and I didn't have one outright dud. The highlight had to be the moonlighting ballerina from Teatro Colon who shared a bottle of malbec, gave me a dancing display and then fucked me stupid over the course of several hours of a memorable evening. Damage was $100.
[QUOTE=CunningStunt;2331623]Differs from my experience. During the course of last winter I spent several months in Argentina and had a thoroughly splendid time. I restricted myself to girls handpicked from Seeking and I didn't have one outright dud. The highlight had to be the moonlighting ballerina from Teatro Colon who shared a bottle of malbec, gave me a dancing display and then fucked me stupid over the course of several hours of a memorable evening. Damage was $100.[/QUOTE]You lucky lucky sonofagun! You realize you got to taste what the overwhelming majority of us only get to rub one off fantasizing about!? Even after years in the hobby, I've never found "the one". It's been what I've been chasing. And you did it in one of the TOUGHEST venues on the planet, check out my (mis) adventures I have the whole folly blogged on the Argentina private board search for all my posts from 2014, same user name.
Just so I don't break into poetry, we'll just say she's REALLY my type. And because of marxism / feminism we just don't get 'them like that in the united hates of ameriKa. Turning 45 this summer, after finally finding her, I don't think I could have been satisfied with only a taste, I would require a much deeper experience. Man, I just ate my heart out!
I agree. Montreal is not getting as much attention as other places. I got the best GFE in Montreal compared to other places I visited so far.
On top of this, it is safe, easy access, good city with food and site seeing options. It has everything.
[QUOTE=RomanyStar;2318646]I rarely see much appreciation of this great city. The women are passionate, not at all mechanical. Hotels can be reasonable, food is great. Just did a week long trip and had an amazing time. This was my third over the years and all have been wonderful experiences.[/QUOTE]
Are there any cheap cities in Europe left for a full overnights? Sub 200 euros. Not interested in drug addicts.
Continue on topic of the thread, what are you all using for Montreal resources outside of MERB, Google and ISG? I thought about taking a trip to Montreal this summer but I didn't see many providers available. Is the summer just not a good time or are we just off the thought that providers over there are just better overall?
As for another topic, where do I find the absolute best hottest knockout girls LA / NYC Model Types in Europe? I'm a crazy YOLO person but I've been working, saving and now it's time to party but where?
Upon researching through ISG after going through scam after scam the best cities appear to be London, Barcelona, Madrid, Frankfurt, Vienna and Zurich. I'm leaning towards Frankfurt or Frankfurt with a side trip to Vienna or Zurich. My main concern is that my trip might wasted if the only club that suites my tastes is Sharks FKK as the other seem a little like dive bars, empty or no one that's my type. I'd consider Toyko, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Sydney, Toronto or Montreal but travel takes much longer.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2356209]Continue on topic of the thread, what are you all using for Montreal resources outside of MERB, Google and ISG? I thought about taking a trip to Montreal this summer but I didn't see many providers available. Is the summer just not a good time or are we just off the thought that providers over there are just better overall?
As for another topic, where do I find the absolute best hottest knockout girls LA / NYC Model Types in Europe? I'm a crazy YOLO person but I've been working, saving and now it's time to party but where?
Upon researching through ISG after going through scam after scam the best cities appear to be London, Barcelona, Madrid, Frankfurt, Vienna and Zurich. I'm leaning towards Frankfurt or Frankfurt with a side trip to Vienna or Zurich. My main concern is that my trip might wasted if the only club that suites my tastes is Sharks FKK as the other seem a little like dive bars, empty or no one that's my type. I'd consider Toyko, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Sydney, Toronto or Montreal but travel takes much longer.[/QUOTE]Your comments are overly broad and somewhat unrealistic for anyone to know exactly what you are looking for.
Montreal has an abundance of beautiful women available every day. The thread has unfortunately become a home to some guys who like to ***** because a few overly happy people on merb rave about a lady being a perfect 10, when in fact she might be an 8. 5. I just listed four independents on the merb thread who are 9's and 10's, particularly if you like some kink. Since you claim to be price indifferent, see all four of them, do some role play and kink, and you will be a very happy person. You can choose from the daily posted available ladies from Euphoria, XO, Vog and Velvet Love and be very happy every day. Sometimes the lady you choose will be an 8, sometimes a 9, and sometimes a 10. But they are all very attractive ladies who you will be pleased with. There are plenty of reviews to help you choose, and it is a fantastic market.
Barcelona is a more touristy city than Montreal, and if it is closer to you than Montreal, you should consider it. Noa Secret, an independent, is absolutely beautiful, Vecinitas is a charming little place with Anouilh 18-25 year-old dark-skinned Spaniards, Latinas, and mixed-Asians to keep you happy for a week, and there are some knockouts from OK! Escorts if you want or need outcall.
Steve9696 (I think that is his handle) has done the legwork for you for Diva Escorts in London. They have pictures, service offerings, and upsell prices on their website, and offer incall and outcall. I did a post in them London thread of a group of independents specializing in kink (London is big on that), and you might want to look at that if it is of interest.
The FKKs are really a different animal than any of those three markets. I am not sure how you compare / contrast them to markets where you make an appointment with a specific lady who has pictures and reviews and go see that specific lady. They are really different scenes. Clubs are kind of the exact opposite of booking a specific escort.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2356542]Your comments are overly broad and somewhat unrealistic for anyone to know exactly what you are looking for.
Montreal has an abundance of beautiful women available every day. The thread has unfortunately become a home to some guys who like to ***** because a few overly happy people on merb rave about a lady being a perfect 10, when in fact she might be an 8. 5. I just listed four independents on the merb thread who are 9's and 10's, particularly if you like some kink. Since you claim to be price indifferent, see all four of them, do some role play and kink, and you will be a very happy person. You can choose from the daily posted available ladies from Euphoria, XO, Vog and Velvet Love and be very happy every day. Sometimes the lady you choose will be an 8, sometimes a 9, and sometimes a 10. But they are all very attractive ladies who you will be pleased with. There are plenty of reviews to help you choose, and it is a fantastic market.
Barcelona is a more touristy city than Montreal, and if it is closer to you than Montreal, you should consider it. Noa Secret, an independent, is absolutely beautiful, Vecinitas is a charming little place with Anouilh 18-25 year-old dark-skinned Spaniards, Latinas, and mixed-Asians to keep you happy for a week, and there are some knockouts from OK! Escorts if you want or need outcall.
Steve9696 (I think that is his handle) has done the legwork for you for Diva Escorts in London. They have pictures, service offerings, and upsell prices on their website, and offer incall and outcall. I did a post in them London thread of a group of independents specializing in kink (London is big on that), and you might want to look at that if it is of interest.
The FKKs are really a different animal than any of those three markets. I am not sure how you compare / contrast them to markets where you make an appointment with a specific lady who has pictures and reviews and go see that specific lady. They are really different scenes. Clubs are kind of the exact opposite of booking a specific escort.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout out above. Yes you can get top quality girls in London. The original post mentions Hong Kong and Sydney. Blech! Don't even think about it. Bangkok is an experience but you have to like Asian girls. Same with Tokyo. Tokyo Hentai is awesome as Is Paradise but it's all Asian. Plus FS is not guaranteed in Tokyo.
Not on your list is my all time favorite São Paulo Brazil. See my recent reports on Scandallo there. Most beautiful girls per square foot anywhere on planet earth. But best if you like the Latina aesthetic. I do. My last girl there Andressa was a full on 9. 5 and a wildcat in bed. If you like Latinas at all go to São Paulo.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2356658]Thanks for the shout out above. Yes you can get top quality girls in London. The original post mentions Hong Kong and Sydney. Blech! Don't even think about it. Bangkok is an experience but you have to like Asian girls. Same with Tokyo. Tokyo Hentai is awesome as Is Paradise but it's all Asian. Plus FS is not guaranteed in Tokyo.
Not on your list is my all time favorite So Paulo Brazil. See my recent reports on Scandallo there. Most beautiful girls per square foot anywhere on planet earth. But best if you like the Latina aesthetic. I do. My last girl there Andressa was a full on 9. 5 and a wildcat in bed. If you like Latinas at all go to So Paulo.[/QUOTE]Yes, but even though GuyBrusg1957 is posting in a comparison and contrasting thread, I was saying that he needs to do some groundwork first. To me, there are a bunch of things to think through.
1. What kind of women are ideal to me? Some guys love the tiniest Asians they can find, some guys adore certain Latinas I would consider fat, and some guys want white women in their early 20's absolute prime. There are not very many markets with a true variety. So this is the first thing to put on a list, and it eliminates most of the world for each guy.
2. What kind of sex do I want to have? There are a few, but not insignificant, number of locales where CBJs are standard. Some guys want that, and for others it completely ruins the experience. Anal sex is widely available in some markets, and barely at all in others. Even more so with fetish. There was a funny reviewer on a USA Review board back a very long time ago when London had the Olympics who was doing reviews during his trip to the Olympics. He was absolutely amazed at how many London escorts he did incall with that had spanking implements in the room, often for them. He was like wow, these Brit chicks are kinky, and he liked it. An interest in certain sex acts will also eliminate a lot of the world, and entice a guy toward other parts. I get very tired of lecturing type sections of websites in parts of Northern Europe and surprisingly in parts of the Caribbean (I guess it is the Dutch influence) about the importance of CBJs instead of BBBJ. The real statistics don't support their arguments.
3. What do I want to do when not having sex? A lot of the posters here are worldwide business travelers, so sex occurs during a two or three hour window of opportunity in the evening. But a guy on vacation needs to think about this a lot. Does he want a beach, lots of places to hike / bike, interesting touristy things to see? Or would he enjoy the social aspects of going to a club-like atmosphere of an FKK? This is probably the component that varies the most from person to person.
4. How much do I want to spend, or can I spend? Sydney, Australia has some truly top-notch escorts advertising on Scarlet Blue, but they are extremely expensive. Like really, really expensive. So when a guy comes long on a thread like this and says money isn't an object, he needs to throw some number out, because he might find out that money might be more of an object than he realizes. There is a big difference between the looks and services of the top rated Aussie wild child on Scarlet Blue and some CBJ chick at a mediocre legal / regulated Australian brothel.
5. How far are places from me? For a lot of English-language posters, a place in Europe or Canada can be a long weekend, where Asia or Australia is a week or two week trip. That has to factor into a decision.
And in the list I just posted, an obvious addition would be ease of communication. There are markets, particularly in South America, where communicating with sex workers, and the places where sex workers are located, is extremely difficult without fluency in the local language. It is of course likely less enjoyable to have a session with someone you can't communicate with, but if the logistics are too difficult without a guide, this limits the options. Of course, there are plenty of situations where electronics can overcome this with the use of WhatsApp and a Google Translate, but overall ease of booking and transportation has to be considered, as well as hotel guest friendliness if outcall is desired.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2356658]Thanks for the shout out above. Yes you can get top quality girls in London. The original post mentions Hong Kong and Sydney. Blech! Don't even think about it. Bangkok is an experience but you have to like Asian girls. Same with Tokyo. Tokyo Hentai is awesome as Is Paradise but it's all Asian. Plus FS is not guaranteed in Tokyo.
Not on your list is my all time favorite So Paulo Brazil. See my recent reports on Scandallo there. Most beautiful girls per square foot anywhere on planet earth. But best if you like the Latina aesthetic. I do. My last girl there Andressa was a full on 9. 5 and a wildcat in bed. If you like Latinas at all go to So Paulo.[/QUOTE]I concur with Steve 9696 regarding Sao Paulo. Steve and I have routinely discussed Brazil via PM and the SP forum. Someone mentioned Rio which has similar features as Sao Paulo, but perhaps not the same unbelievable depth of talent. Rio is great if you want beaches and natural scenery. I find Rio very enjoyable. Brazilian girls bring a passion that can't be described. Intense DFK is very routine. It's not hard to find very attractive women who will offer anal and CIM without upcharges. The diversity of Brazilian women is often overlooked.
Montreal is a great easy trip for most Americans. Given its convenience, attractive escorts are quite reasonably priced in current US Dollars. I actually think MTL is quite nice for tourists on short visits. I will disagree with Mongerer88 a bit. Montreal has attractive escorts. I don't think that has been really debated. Some discussions have centered around whether can you consistently get the service from the agency girls certain people have touted. Mongerer88 has noted four MTL indies who leave everything on the field when it comes to service.
As alluded to above, Brazil is hands down more consistent than MTL for looks and passionate service. Since you can see the girls before you put your money down, the night clubs and clinicas offer an advantage in the selection department. It's also not always a hard hour kind of market. There are escorts and clinicas who book on an hourly basis. However, many girls I have taken out of the clubs or met outside of their venues are not hard and fast on time. If the vibe is right, time can just flow. No guarantees. This is definitely YMMV.
I'm going to disagree with Steve on Hong Kong. There is a lot going on behind closed doors in buildings around town. There's a decent amount of very hot $150 Russian escorts working at any given time. Thailand, Philippines and some other countries all have a lot of talent. Bangkok and Pattaya are sexual Disneylands. Yes, you have to appreciate Asian women. It's hard to generalize about Asian women. There are certainly a lot that are submissive. There are some that get their freak on. I don't know, but if you are kind, funny and attentive in bed some of the Asian girls will genuinely enjoy the sex. It can't be said enough, but time can be elastic particularly in Thailand, the Philippines, Cambodia, etc.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2356733]I concur with Steve 9696 regarding Sao Paulo. Steve and I have routinely discussed Brazil via PM and the SP forum. Someone mentioned Rio which has similar features as Sao Paulo, but perhaps not the same unbelievable depth of talent. Rio is great if you want beaches and natural scenery. I find Rio very enjoyable. Brazilian girls bring a passion that can't be described. Intense DFK is very routine. It's not hard to find very attractive women who will offer anal and CIM without upcharges. The diversity of Brazilian women c.[/QUOTE]Hey Wyatt! Whaassup? Yes you remind me. Not only CIM with no upcharge. But SWALLOW also! I had several of my hotties, including Andressa my legit model, swallow with a smile. Wow. I don't know anywhere else I've been where they swallow without batting an eye. Like true GF stuff effortlessly. OMG Brazil baby.
P.S. Wyatt dying to tell you about my Buenos Aires girl but says you don't receive messages. Drop me a line with email address if you want the lowdown.
I actually don't disagree with any of this, but another thing to consider as a tourist is the number of potential girls to see compared to the days at a place. For instance in Montreal, I identified four favorite independents who do full service and additional activities, and I have several times mentioned a favorite of mine at Velvet Love, who is gorgeous. There is some overlap on that list between mine and Hungry's favorites. And both you and Hungry love Gabrielle Garner, an independent. Chuzby has listed a number of favorites, including some Vog and Euphoria ladies, and I think anyone with good eyesight and a working penis would love Scarlet at XO. It is very easy to come up with twelve to sixteen "can't misses" between just the four of us (even though there are plenty of other great reviewers) and a guy in Montreal for a few days can choose from that list and not worry if someone on merb rated a new lady a 9 instead of a 7. It should be completely irrelevant to him.
To me, that is what I look for in a great country for STR.
The board allows us to do the same thing for plenty of other locations, including London and Lisbon.
That simply isn't the case with places like Paris and Rome. We can't list more "can't miss" specific ladies to see than we have appointment slots to see them.
Other great STR places like Sao Paolo and the places in Germany are less specific girl oriented, and the focus is on places with many great ladies to choose from. That makes them difficult to compare and contrast. I realize a lot of guys prefer this system, but it makes it difficult when someone asks about comparing locales. In Lisbon, a guy would be recommended to go see specific lady XXX by making an appointment with her at 8 pm, where in Sao Paolo the guy would be advised to go to club ZZZ and choose among 50 ladies.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2356733]I concur with Steve 9696 regarding Sao Paulo. Steve and I have routinely discussed Brazil via PM and the SP forum. Someone mentioned Rio which has similar features as Sao Paulo, but perhaps not the same unbelievable depth of talent. Rio is great if you want beaches and natural scenery. I find Rio very enjoyable. Brazilian girls bring a passion that can't be described. Intense DFK is very routine. It's not hard to find very attractive women who will offer anal and CIM without upcharges. The diversity of Brazilian women is often overlooked.
Montreal is a great easy trip for most Americans. Given its convenience, attractive escorts are quite reasonably priced in current US Dollars. I actually think MTL is quite nice for tourists on short visits. I will disagree with Mongerer88 a bit. Montreal has attractive escorts..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2356810]I actually don't disagree with any of this.....[/QUOTE]You are certainly entitled to your opinions of the Montreal scene. However when you speak of Brazil, you speak blasphemy. LOL. Have you been? If you haven't, we can't explain the intense passion and desire to pleasure a man that most Brazilian women have. Anyway, there is a steady escort scene with heavily reviewed Brazilian escorts if that is what one prefers.
One pet peeve of mine is everyone saying how great a girl's BBBJ was. This is not a Montreal issue, but rather a global issue. The best blowjobs I have had were in Brazil. These were only from a few Brazilian girls of many Brazilian girls over many years. Most of the time anywhere I am in the world, I just enjoy seeing a pretty girl sucking on my cock for a few minutes then I tap them on the shoulder.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2356737].......Wyatt dying to tell you about my Buenos Aires girl but says you don't receive messages. Drop me a line with email address if you want the lowdown.[/QUOTE]I cleared my ISG mailbox a bit so drop me a line. I don't give out my email address. Not even my Carlos Danger emailbox. I try to stay as anonymous as possible.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2356542]Your comments are overly broad and somewhat unrealistic for anyone to know exactly what you are looking for.
Montreal has an abundance of beautiful women available every day. The thread has unfortunately become a home to some guys who like to ***** because a few overly happy people on merb rave about a lady being a perfect 10, when in fact she might be an 8. 5. I just listed four independents on the merb thread who are 9's and 10's, particularly if you like some kink. Since you claim to be price indifferent, see all four of them, do some role play and kink, and you will be a very happy person. You can choose from the daily posted available ladies from Euphoria, XO, Vog and Velvet Love and be very happy every day. Sometimes the lady you choose will be an 8, sometimes a 9, and sometimes a 10. But they are all very attractive ladies who you will be pleased with. There are plenty of reviews to help you choose, and it is a fantastic market.
Barcelona is a more touristy city than Montreal, and if it is closer to you than Montreal, you should consider it. Noa Secret, an independent, is absolutely beautiful, Vecinitas is a charming little place with Anouilh 18-25 year-old dark-skinned Spaniards, Latinas, and mixed-Asians to keep you happy for a week, and there are some knockouts from OK! Escorts if you want or need outcall..[/QUOTE]I was somewhat vague as I'm trying to get a gauge on what's the difference between all the common locations. I have done quite a bit of reading (maybe not enough) hence my earlier thoughts on Montreal.
As for what I'the prefer it'the probably be on the more intimate side with real DFK at a minimum but for once (or a few times) be blown away by a supermodel. Scarlet Blue it's great but it's a little too artistic? For my taste. I have no real racial preferences and Bangkok did seem initially but the providers strong associations with poverty have me (just my myself, not judging others) concerned.
On a unrelated note, do you all think Montreal is better than Vancouver? And is HK really that bad?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2357521]On a unrelated note, do you all think Montreal is better than Vancouver? And is HK really that bad?[/QUOTE]Hong Kong is just different. If you are concerned about impoverished girls, many of the girls come from the Mainland, some Thai, some Viet, some local and a few other Asian ethnicities. I wouldn't presume these girls are starving. They're just trying to make a good buck. Otherwise scratch off Asia and Latin America.
I'll keep this short and simple, because if HK is in consideration you should go to the HK forum.
Wan Chai clubs. Pricey, don't go with high expectations or overpay, sometimes you can meet a winner.
Massage parlors. My advice, stay away, generally less attractive women.
Street girls near Temple Street night market. Language can be a major barrier, quality very erratic.
Escorts. Some very attractive Asian and Eastern Euro girls operating out of hotels.
Walk-up girls are a different proposition. You go to a building completely dedicated to housing working girls. They're scattered all over the city. Knock on doors that say available. The girl will open the door in a bikini or lingerie. A price schedule for services is usually posted on the door or on the inside wall. Many of the Asian girls are very sexy and sweet. Some sexy Russians work in the walk-up buildings.
Macau with the fancy saunas and casual massage parlors with better talent than HK are a short boat ride away.
I'm trying to find the best city to live in for mongering. I think Montreal would be great, I'm visiting in a few weeks. How does it compare to other cities? I notice there are a lot of options, you got some escort agencies with a few dozen girls and also independent girls. Prices seem okay, I think the standard is $200-240 Canadian dollars? That isn't much in US dollars which is a great.
If I were to live in Montreal would I have a list of attractive 9's and 10's with varying body types available to fuck every day year round? Are most the girls skinny and thin or is it diverse, any big titties or thick booties and thighs?
Interested in opinions on where to go next based solely on BJ talent. I'm not as interested in looks as I am with true talent and enthusiasm. Where are the best?
Hey folks,
I myself am from Germany and even though we have tons of prostitutes here they are not necessarily cheap (if you want anything else than an unenthusiastic BJ and a 10 min fuck).
I have already tried the p2 p scene in Thailand, Korea and Brazil but I would like to know if there are any options that are not too far from Germany and still offer decent service for decent budgets. Ideally within Europe.
I would just like to hop on a plane and go somewhere for a weekend trip, have some 4-6 girls and fly back.
Any "cheap" cities in Europe where you can get decent selection of pussy for under 70€ per hour?
I've had great experiences in Madrid for 90 E / HR. The girls are imports from South America. Budapest is also pretty economical but the mongering can be a major hassle. Almost all of it is online / outcall escorts. No first hand experience with mongering in Greece, but I've heard that Athens is very good for the price, mostly Romanian girls, of course. Just like Germany.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2414781]Hey folks,
I myself am from Germany and even though we have tons of prostitutes here they are not necessarily cheap (if you want anything else than an unenthusiastic BJ and a 10 min fuck).
I have already tried the p2 p scene in Thailand, Korea and Brazil but I would like to know if there are any options that are not too far from Germany and still offer decent service for decent budgets. Ideally within Europe.
I would just like to hop on a plane and go somewhere for a weekend trip, have some 4-6 girls and fly back.
Any "cheap" cities in Europe where you can get decent selection of pussy for under 70 per hour?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2388493]I'm trying to find the best city to live in for mongering. I think Montreal would be great, I'm visiting in a few weeks. How does it compare to other cities? I notice there are a lot of options, you got some escort agencies with a few dozen girls and also independent girls. Prices seem okay, I think the standard is $200-240 Canadian dollars? That isn't much in US dollars which is a great. If I were to live in Montreal would I have a list of attractive 9's and 10's with varying body types available to fuck every day year round? Are most the girls skinny and thin or is it diverse, any big titties or thick booties and thighs?[/QUOTE]Sorry, but am gagging now. Apparently you don't like warm weather, cheaper pussy prices, and women of color, because in this entire planet, which you seem to have as an option, the entire Northern hemisphere would not be a typical monger destination.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2414781]
Any "cheap" cities in Europe where you can get decent selection of pussy for under 70 per hour?[/QUOTE]I think this price for hour is hard to get in Europe. Madrid is cheap, plenty of brothels, some very good deal like 50 E x 30 min and 90 E x 1 HR with CIM and anal included in a couple of places.
Athens can be dirty cheap, like Filis street brothel 20 E and Kolonou street 10 E brothels, but these places are just quick 10-20 min.
Vienna seems full of girls (I'll go there this spring) but price for 1 HR are around 90-120 euro.
[QUOTE=Argo1990;2414781]I myself am from Germany and even though we have tons of prostitutes here they are not necessarily cheap (if you want anything else than an unenthusiastic BJ and a 10 min fuck).[/QUOTE]
Saunaclub like Acapulco and Acapulco Gold are 80E for 1hr (plus cheap entry fee with food and drinks included)
The RTCs club in NRW i think are 70E for 1hr (all extra included)
It may not be on your radar but towns in south wales UK have plenty cheapo women, Cardiff, Swansea and around those areas,street walkers and brothels at nice prices. Why fuck around in Paris paying silly money when south wales has a long and established scene at reasonable fees.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2419293]I think this price for hour is hard to get in Europe. Madrid is cheap, plenty of brothels, some very good deal like 50 E x 30 min and 90 E x 1 HR with CIM and anal included in a couple of places.
Athens can be dirty cheap, like Filis street brothel 20 E and Kolonou street 10 E brothels, but these places are just quick 10-20 min.
Vienna seems full of girls (I'll go there this spring) but price for 1 HR are around 90-120 euro.[/QUOTE]What are these 50/90 e clubs in Madrid? I have only been to the one in the Yellow house (can't remember the name).
Around Cologn I was planning on hitting Finca erotica, Samya, and Dolce Vita. Those are all around Cologne / Dudo.
Any experience with them?
Does anyone have a listing or any recommendations for the absolute best service out of anywhere? I figure I might as well cross off the bucket list but if anyone has recommendation for independents, agencies, etc. That aren't scam with good quality pictures I'm interested.
As far as I can tell Toronto, Montreal and London are the best but many of the London ones seem to be scams or the lack of reviewing is concerning.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2432835]Does anyone have a listing or any recommendations for the absolute best service out of anywhere? I figure I might as well cross off the bucket list but if anyone has recommendation for independents, agencies, etc. That aren't scam with good quality pictures I'm interested.
As far as I can tell Toronto, Montreal and London are the best but many of the London ones seem to be scams or the lack of reviewing is concerning.[/QUOTE]If money isn't an issue, I would put Montreal at the top of your list.
I am sure others will disagree, but here is the nuts and bolts of what many guys look for.
1. Younger women in good physical shape. You want a college town for the abundance of hotties. Montreal has that. Younger women go from the Quebec villages to the big city in droves. There is also a carryover of French culture where slim and athletic bodies are the preferred shape. This isn't universally true, but it is more so than in the Fish & Chips, No Body Shaming, world of the United Kingdom.
2. A BBBJ / CIM positive culture. There are simply a lot of markets in the world where CBJ is the norm. There are even plenty of expensive European and Asian and Australian independents who only do CBJs. Sure in every country you can find BBBJ / CIM, but there are some really unpleasant surprises sometimes. But BBBJ is absolutely the norm in Montreal.
3. The availability of real full service sessions. I mean CFS cum as many times as you can, BBBJ / CIM, covered anal sex, facefucking, finger in vagina, tongue in vagina, finger in anus, butt plug in her to make her pussy extra tight, working her off with a vibrator, the customer gives her a real BDSM spanking and / or she gives the customer one, etc. , etc. , etc. You get the drift. The customer gets what he wants from an open-minded lady who likes to do everything except bareback vaginal or anal. As they say in Marketing, the "Yeah, I Got That" type girls. Every market has them, but Montreal has them in abundance, particularly amongst the independent escorts who once worked with the Unicorn Agency. Many of the expensive Scarlett Blue ladies in Sydney advertise all of these services as being offered from one lady, but other than that, I can't think on one place in the world that has more "everything is on the menu" ladies than Montreal, and Montreal is less expensive than Sydney.
4. An honest review board where you can determine who offers what, and whether they deliver the service they advertise. Montreal has that.
5. Ladies who speak English. Montreal has that.
What I described just isn't that appealing to a lot of ISG contributors. A lot of guys want an environment where they see a tremendous number of women at one time, and have covered vaginal sex with several different ladies over an extended period of time, with some of the ladies offering BBBJ and perhaps some doing CBJs.
Montreal doesn't have that. It definitely, once again, doesn't have that.
So your question is kind of difficult to address. Some guys could care less about what I just described in items 1 through 5, but for others that is exactly what they want. It is too big of a board for there to be one best place for everyone.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2432835]Does anyone have a listing or any recommendations for the absolute best service out of anywhere? I figure I might as well cross off the bucket list but if anyone has recommendation for independents, agencies, etc. That aren't scam with good quality pictures I'm interested.
As far as I can tell Toronto, Montreal and London are the best but many of the London ones seem to be scams or the lack of reviewing is concerning.[/QUOTE]Choosing Fromm the places I've been I recommend São Paulo Brazil as best service worldwide. Although you will not go wrong with a well reviewed London Diva girl.
I have been to Brasil UK Moscow Tokyo Shanghai Frankfurt Barcelona Taiwan USA.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2432846]...i have been to Brasil UK Moscow Tokyo Shanghai Frankfurt Barcelona Taiwan USA.[/QUOTE]One needs to visit many other locations before proclaiming which one is the best. For example: Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong / Macau, Ho Chi Minh City, Colombia, DR can all compete for the best.
I know you are from the UK, but sorry, you cannot put UK and Brazil on the same level. I can say the same about Korean working girls. They are my best and only venue when I am in the US, but I would not put them on the same level as Thailand for example.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432851]One needs to visit many other locations before proclaiming which one is the best. For example: Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong / Macau, Ho Chi Minh City, Colombia, DR can all compete for the best.
I know you are from the UK, but sorry, you cannot put UK and Brazil on the same level. I can say the same about Korean working girls. They are my best and only venue when I am in the US, but I would not put them on the same level as Thailand for example.[/QUOTE]But you make the assumption that everyone is looking for the same thing. A guy almost exclusively into large breasts can travel to every country in the world and come back with a different conclusion as to the best place in the world than the guy into girls with a tiny little bottoms. As I put in my earlier post, that is even more true when the variation of sought-after services is factored in. And price is another wildcard.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2432851]One needs to visit many other locations before proclaiming which one is the best. For example: Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong / Macau, Ho Chi Minh City, Colombia, DR can all compete for the best.
I know you are from the UK, but sorry, you cannot put UK and Brazil on the same level. I can say the same about Korean working girls. They are my best and only venue when I am in the US, but I would not put them in the same level as Thailand for example.[/QUOTE]Oh and I've been to Thailand. Not even close to Brasil. And unless you have been with a well reviewed Diva girl in London like Melty or the like then you haven't done London. I thought London sucked till I discovered the agency Ro-Girls.
But of course I only claimed Brasil best of the ones I've been to. I've heard Indonesia and Colombia are great. Macau not so much. But anyhow no sense arguing. If Brasil is my recommend; what is yours?
Oh and I’m not from the UK. It’s just one of my favorite girl destinations.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2432856]Oh and I've been to Thailand. Not even close to Brasil. And unless you have been with a well reviewed Diva girl in London like Melty or the like then you haven't done London. I thought London sucked till I discovered the agency Ro-Girls.
But of course I only claimed Brasil best of the ones I've been to. I've heard Indonesia and Colombia are great. Macau not so much. But anyhow no sense arguing. If Brasil is my recommend; what is yours?
Oh and Im not from the UK. Its just one of my favorite girl destinations.[/QUOTE]I will give you London. I have never mongered there.
But comparing Thailand and Brazil is a bit tricky. I am pretty sure a lot of people would disagree with your conclusion. I have visited both many times, and I personally prefer Thailand. However, I am not ready to proclaim either as the absolute best. I always say that one needs to visit every place, and then decide which is better for themselves.
I don't have a best mongering destination, but I can say Viet chicks are the best for me. This year so far I've been to Thailand and Cambodia. I am currently in Colombia, and hope to visit the FKKs in Germany this summer. There is a good chance I will hit Saõ Paulo in the Fall, if the Corona virus issue is resolved.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2432835]Does anyone have a listing or any recommendations for the absolute best service out of anywhere? I figure I might as well cross off the bucket list but if anyone has recommendation for independents, agencies, etc. That aren't scam with good quality pictures I'm interested.
As far as I can tell Toronto, Montreal and London are the best but many of the London ones seem to be scams or the lack of reviewing is concerning.[/QUOTE]You asked for a list. If I were booking four appointments and wanted to sample a huge variety of services with a mixture of colors, body styles, personalities, and ages, I would choose the following four in Montreal. They don't all offer everything, well Melodie does actually, but you could mix and match and get everything you want for four days with no feeling of overlap and similarity amongst the four.
[URL]https://linktr.ee/MelodieHealer[/URL]
Here is Melodie's twitter in case linktr isn't an allowed site. She offers every sexual service known to human kind. Hell, I think she invented some of them. And she squirts. Melodie doesn't show her face, but she is beautiful.
[URL]https://twitter.com/UnicornFor3some[/URL]
[URL]https://www.lavieenaprilrose.com/[/URL]
April is the most energetic escort in the world, and she lists her massive service offering list on her website.
[URL]http://vogmtl.com/escorts/daryn/[/URL]
You will never forget Daryn's breasts, ever.
And I love Goth girls. Darla is the ultimate goth girl.
[URL]https://www.velvetlovemtl.com/darla[/URL]
I'm into tall slim athletic girls as a tall athletic guy and what I see in Montreal or Toronto is what fits my preference. The only thing holding me back is travel. There no Uber and cost. Expensive hotels compared to every other place. In all honestly I want to be with someone I click with, has a good vibe, etc. GFE is a hard requirement. To me, sex without kissing is soulless. I know we're not dating but I still want to kind of know this person and together enjoy the experience.
Is Canada the only country with such a heavy professional online presence? The content in term, mere, etc. Is phenomenal. I'm shocked this isn't the same elsewhere.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2433937]I'm into tall slim athletic girls as a tall athletic guy and what I see in Montreal or Toronto is what fits my preference. The only thing holding me back is travel. There no Uber and cost. Expensive hotels compared to every other place. In all honestly I want to be with someone I click with, has a good vibe, etc. GFE is a hard requirement. To me, sex without kissing is soulless. I know we're not dating but I still want to kind of know this person and together enjoy the experience.
Is Canada the only country with such a heavy professional online presence? The content in term, mere, etc. Is phenomenal. I'm shocked this isn't the same elsewhere.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, Canada is the place to go for what you described. Montreal is a little bit less expensive than Toronto, and there is usually no surcharge for outcall in Montreal. If you really need incall for some reason, the Montreal Metro is convenient and inexpensive. And the Bus labeled 747 Bus takes you from the airport to downtown quite inexpensively.
Sometimes it is just math and logic. White people are usually taller than Asians or Latinos or Hispanics, so Canada simply has more taller, athletic ladies than other destinations. The culture in Quebec's villages still values wholesome food in comparison to big city Fast Food, High Calorie, Carb Explosion slop, and many Canadian escorts benefit from that in terms of being thin / athletic.
Not sure where you are traveling from. You mention hotel prices, but not airfare, which honestly confuses me. Most people who are indifferent to airfare costs due to using frequent flier miles also have hotel loyalty points.
As far as other locations with reviews and GFE ladies and relatively tall ladies, I have had luck with Lisbon, but it is more hit and miss than Montreal. I love Barcelona and Madrid, but the Latina / Hispanic influence limits the number of tall, athletic women that you seem to desire. As you know, London has a strong escort scene and would seem to fit your interests, but I generally find it to be more expensive than Montreal when I look at the ads and include upcharges. And if you are traveling on frequent flier miles, the taxes and fees are outrageous.
The local Toronto board has a really good write up by a guy who sometimes appears on ISG about how disappointed he was in the German FKKs compared to Toronto, and another similar write-up by another Toronto regular about how disappointed he was with Bangkok. The guy trying Bangkok was not using the two major escort agencies that are well reviewed here in ISG, and I think if he had, he would have really liked Bangkok.
The guys who like to read reviews and see escorts based on making an appointment with a specific one of them are a minority here on ISG. Most guys want a party atmosphere and to see a tremendous number of ladies in person at one place. Brazil gets many compliments as to having both. A club / party atmosphere with very solid GFE. Not sure if you are comfortable with the language barriers and greater safety risks of Brazil, though. And tall / thin isn't a characteristic of Brazil. Buenos Aires was once good, but really isn't now.
So I think you are on the right track with focusing on Montreal, Toronto and London, for what you say you want.
Welp,
With Coronavirus I guess that just put an end to all of this. How long do you think it'll last?
On a related discussion, may anyone tell me how Zurich Switzerland and Vienna Austria compare to Frankfurt's FKKs or the scene in Canada?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2435669]Welp,
With Coronavirus I guess that just put an end to all of this. How long do you think it'll last?[/QUOTE][URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america[/URL]
Curve puts the US at April 16th as the peak death rate with it leveling off to pre-pandemic numbers around May 1st.
I am curious to read opinions on how mongering will be after the smoke clears?
I don't think it will go away but I wonder if the obvious point and click locations (in public view) like Thailand and Medellin will make any changes. Hard to think of but is this virus concern a game changer?
My hunch is GFE type locations will be better options. Places that cater more to an escort crowd of mongers that do low key AirBnb type sessions.
Just the thought of countries allowing openly displayed red-light areas after this would be too careless for a country to allow or at least admit to the world. Right?
This is all just opinion.
What do you think?
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2443541]I am curious to read opinions on how mongering will be now going forward after the smoke clears?
I don't think it will go away but I wonder if the obvious point and click locations (in public view) like Thailand and Medellin will make any changes. Hard to think of but is this virus concern a game changer?
My hunch is GFE type locations will be better options. Places that cater more to an escort crowd of mongers that do low key / AirBnb type sessions.
Just the thought of countries allowing openly displayed red-light areas after this would be too careless for a country to allow or at least admit to the world. Right?
This is all just opinion.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]Good post. You hit it. Expect masks to be mandatory on all flights internationally. Quick test kits at the Airport could come into play. Also fever tests.
The girls will be less inclined to kiss. GFE could be the norm as guys settle down with non pros and pros LOL. With all this said, will it be worth it to travel? That's the question we could all be facing.
If a reliable vaccine comes into play, maybe we can get back to like before. IMO these new diseases will pop up every few years to scare us.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2443541]I am curious to read opinions on how mongering will be after the smoke clears?
I don't think it will go away but I wonder if the obvious point and click locations (in public view) like Thailand and Medellin will make any changes. Hard to think of but is this virus concern a game changer?
My hunch is GFE type locations will be better options. Places that cater more to an escort crowd of mongers that do low key AirBnb type sessions.
Just the thought of countries allowing openly displayed red-light areas after this would be too careless for a country to allow or at least admit to the world. Right?
This is all just opinion.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]With economies in slump, job losses, girls who had recently migrated to big cities for work in developing, got a taste of a better life will probably not want to give that all up. They would enter this market. This market will likely also get more underground which can affect prices (can see it going either ways). For the more adventurous mongers there will be more better opportunities waiting to be exploited sure. Don't think official government position matters so much in these developing countries at least because poverty and corruption.
[QUOTE=JanQuadVincent;2444228]With economies in slump, job losses, girls who had recently migrated to big cities for work in developing, got a taste of a better life will probably not want to give that all up. They would enter this market. This market will likely also get more underground which can affect prices (can see it going either ways). For the more adventurous mongers there will be more better opportunities waiting to be exploited sure. Don't think official government position matters so much in these developing countries at least because poverty and corruption.[/QUOTE]Respectfully you are talking about one of the oldest professions in the world that survived worst things than the Coronavirus. Initially things will be a little odd, but in 1 year it will be business as usual. Girls will not keep day jobs they picked up to work 40-60 hrs for minimal pay, when they can make as much in a day or two they would make in a office job. I believe this is a whole supply and demand issue. Once mongers create the demand for it, the supply will greatly increase again. I fully believe there is enough mongers chomping at the bit to be in their favorite country right now with a girl they could never have at home. Mark my words, once international travel is back to normal it will only be a couple months before it all starts up again. It's not a medical thing, it's economics.
As far as the kissing. I've never kissed or DAY and girl I've paid for. To many dicks have been in to many holes already. Why would dudes kiss these girls. And if you say GFE, the maybe I'm doing relationships wrong because I don't like kissing my GF either LOL.
Great topic of discussion.
I was kind of in denial about this at first. I actually was going to book a flight to Vegas on March 16 to take advantage of the cheap fares and airline tickets. Then the while city shut down on March 17.
I think guys will monger more in their home countries if they still monger at all. Mongers might settle into a LTR just for the convenience and safety. I have an AMP girl living with me right now that I've know for a while. It's nice to have someone during these times even if the sex is boring and she's almost 40.
Then again, we only live once, right? Do we really want to spend our lives hiding at home watching porn and cam girls? What kind of life is that? Are we already dead?
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2443541]I am curious to read opinions on how mongering will be after the smoke clears?
I don't think it will go away but I wonder if the obvious point and click locations (in public view) like Thailand and Medellin will make any changes. Hard to think of but is this virus concern a game changer?
My hunch is GFE type locations will be better options. Places that cater more to an escort crowd of mongers that do low key AirBnb type sessions.
Just the thought of countries allowing openly displayed red-light areas after this would be too careless for a country to allow or at least admit to the world. Right?
This is all just opinion.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JanQuadVincent;2444228]With economies in slump, job losses, girls who had recently migrated to big cities for work in developing, got a taste of a better life will probably not want to give that all up. They would enter this market. This market will likely also get more underground which can affect prices (can see it going either ways). For the more adventurous mongers there will be more better opportunities waiting to be exploited sure. Don't think official government position matters so much in these developing countries at least because poverty and corruption.[/QUOTE]It seems to me that if someone (escort or client) is willing to risk being arrested, getting an STD, or even a possible violent encounter, they would be willing to risk getting the Coronavirus.
I know Mexico isn't high on the "top" mongering list but having mongered in Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia it is high on my list just do to visiting Tijuana quite a bit. Yes, safety is not like Thailand or Cambodia or other safer places but Tijuana has a great red light district that if your not stupid, you normally will not get in any trouble. Famous bar called Hong Kong has incredible beautiful ladies and for about $80 for short time session. It's incredible. Girls come from all over Mexico to work there so you really get to experience all of Mexico by just going to one bar! There are a ton of other escort services and independent girls who are eager to make some money fucking the hell out of you.
I live in San Diego and you get the best of both worlds. You can stay in San Diego. Go over for just the day and have a great time. Come back to safer San Diego and have a great tourist experience.
Need to get over the virus stuff but lots of "love" down in Tijuana!
Goyo.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2443541]I am curious to read opinions on how mongering will be after the smoke clears?
I don't think it will go away but I wonder if the obvious point and click locations (in public view) like Thailand and Medellin will make any changes. Hard to think of but is this virus concern a game changer?
My hunch is GFE type locations will be better options. Places that cater more to an escort crowd of mongers that do low key AirBnb type sessions.
Just the thought of countries allowing openly displayed red-light areas after this would be too careless for a country to allow or at least admit to the world. Right?
This is all just opinion.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
Hello everybody!
I'm new to the forum, and have only been on local forums before.
I'm looking for the best place in Europe to get some hard sex with professionals. Here are the criterion:
- Services: Anal, rimming, BBBJ, + possibly Facefuck (a great fantasy of mine).
- Attitude: Overall willing, submissive and not watching the clock.
I'm looking for countries / city where you get those kind of services for reasonable prices (say up to 300/ hour).
Places I've tried:
- Geneva: Rates are high but you can get very lovely French girls offering wide services with a very good attitude (good forums for reviews as well).
- Paris: Very difficult to find good professionals, as the city is overflowed by touring escort / agencies who are after your money. However eastern girls will generally provide A+/ AR / sometimes allow a bit of facefuck, but their attitude might not be the most pleasant (depending on your luck!
- NY: High rates but very good service (just as requested) thanks to the organised review websites.
There is the option of Pornstard escorts such as Nataly Gold for instance, but I'm hoping there are places where you can get this for cheaper.
After some research it's hard to find escorts who advertises practicing facefucking for instance (except in London for instance, quite high-end submissibe escorts on kinky-escorts) so I'm relying on your advices.
I will provide reviews of the place I went to, and if you want any recommandations on the places above please contact me.
Thanks in advance!
Madrid is a city you should strongly consider.
Girlsbcn let's you search by services. Here are a couple of great examples, but there are plenty of others.
[URL]https://www.girlsbcn.co.uk/escort/gbsofia185.html[/URL]
[URL]https://girlsbcn.mobi/en-escort-valeria51.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.girlsbcn.co.uk/escorts-madrid/[/URL]
This group often has ladies who advertise what you are requesting, but they do not have many reviews at the moment.
[URL]http://escortsdemadrid.es/escort-de-madrid-adeline/[/URL]
Madrid simply has a high level of service. One lady I saw once from Backpage, who advertised that she lived anal and spoke English, was simply a top-notch performer and very inexpensive. The girlsbcn ladies are in the higher end of the Madrid price scale, but from your post you seem okay with that. English is widely spoken by the ladies. Although not all of the ladies offer anal, this "House" of BDSM full-service doms and subs offers the services you want at a relatively lower price than most independents. I have done some posts in the Madrid forum of how to contact them. Basically you Join the free Spalumi site and send them a message in Spanish. If you don't speak / write Standish, then use google translate to go from English to Spanish. I have included in the posts in the Madrid thread their address and how to get to their apartment. Facefucking is not a problem based on their offering lists.
[URL]https://spalumi.com/f14/diosas-y-sumisas-36277/index148.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tsybou;2445655]Hello everybody!
I'm new to the forum, and have only been on local forums before.
I'm looking for the best place in Europe to get some hard sex with professionals. Here are the criterion:
- Services: Anal, rimming, BBBJ, + possibly Facefuck (a great fantasy of mine).
- Attitude: Overall willing, submissive and not watching the clock.
I'm looking for countries / city where you get those kind of services for reasonable prices (say up to 300/ hour).
Places I've tried:.[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much for your advice, I will definitely consider it!
However, I forgot to precise that, I have a high preference for Central / Eastern Europe, say for instance Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Hungary, or even maybe Romania, as I plan to make a trip toward East this summer!
[QUOTE=Tsybou;2445919]Thank you very much for your advice, I will definitely consider it!
However, I forgot to precise that, I have a high preference for Central / Eastern Europe, say for instance Czech Republic, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Hungary, or even maybe Romania, as I plan to make a trip toward East this summer![/QUOTE]Hard to sometimes find the perfect match, but this group let's you search by services.
[URL]http://www.pragueescorts.org/[/URL]
They upcharge for each "special" service, but sometimes will give you like three for the price of two, etc.
The booker writes in perfect English and really tries hard, so you should just be specific about what you want.
I saw a fantastic lady through them, and they have like two really good reviews (including mine), but they also have two bad reviews.
So there is some unpredictability, which is lessened by stating exactly what you want.
You might also consider Montreal. There are several well-reviewed ladies who meet your interests.
I might have to return to the USA for a period of time. Can anyone here recommend some cities, preferably in warmer climes where there are a lot of independents, either street girls or otherwise, not agency escorts. The cheaper the better as I will be on a budget. I am thinking mostly they will be in the sunbelt SE section of the Country, but there may be exceptions.
I have not found Latinas to be eager and therefore not great at it. In the USA, I have found best skills in heavyset lady's, more often black than white. My only Asian experience has been in USA and it has been universally terrible.
So my question is. Where should a guy go to have a deep-throat vacation?
[QUOTE=PilotPete;2446725]I have not found Latinas to be eager and therefore not great at it. In the USA, I have found best skills in heavyset lady's, more often black than white. My only Asian experience has been in USA and it has been universally terrible.
So my question is. Where should a guy go to have a deep-throat vacation?[/QUOTE]Have you been to Brazil? BBBJ, DT and CIM seemed pretty standard there.
[QUOTE=Jingo10;2446729]Have you been to Brazil? BBBJ, DT and CIM seemed pretty standard there.[/QUOTE]No, I haven't been any further south than Columbia. I guess it's time to learn some Portuguese. Thank you, Sir.
What resources and factors are you guys using when researching and choosing your next destination to visit?
There must be more than me that make the hobby a part of their vacation / travel plans and actively try to find places that are good for girls and whatever other actvities that you enjoy exploring.
This thread is good for that purpose. Sometimes I find the local boards overwhelming with info, catered to the needs of regulars that often are local and sometimes too focused on reviews on specific named service providers.
But the NUMBER of reviews / posts in a certain subforum is a good indication of what city / place to look into, don't you think?
Below are some of the big hitters, my personal previous favorites, or places on my short list for visiting once things are more normal:
Rio, Brazil 21 K.
Medellin COL, 36 K.
Cartagena, COL 10 K.
Panama City 6 K.
Tijuana, MX 55 K.
FKK Artemis. Berlin 11 K.
FKK Sharks. Darmstadt (frankfurt area) 20 K.
Costa del Sol / Malaga Spain 3 K (underrepresented on this forum).
Pattaya 30 K.
Bangkok +50 k.
Angeles City, Phil 18 K.
Manila + Makati, Phil 7 K+18 K.
[QUOTE=Wiild;2446961]What resources and factors are you guys using when researching and choosing your next destination to visit?
There must be more than me that make the hobby a part of their vacation / travel plans and actively try to find places that are good for girls and whatever other actvities that you enjoy exploring.
This thread is good for that purpose. Sometimes I find the local boards overwhelming with info, catered to the needs of regulars that often are local and sometimes too focused on reviews on specific named service providers.
But the NUMBER of reviews / posts in a certain subforum is a good indication of what city / place to look into, don't you think?
Below are some of the big hitters, my personal previous favorites, or places on my short list for visiting once things are more normal:
Rio, Brazil 21 K.
Medellin COL, 36 K.
Cartagena, COL 10 K.
Panama City 6 K.
Tijuana, MX 55 K.
FKK Artemis. Berlin 11 K.
FKK Sharks. Darmstadt (frankfurt area) 20 K.
Costa del Sol / Malaga Spain 3 K (underrepresented on this forum).
Pattaya 30 K.
Bangkok +50 k.
Angeles City, Phil 18 K.
Manila + Makati, Phil 7 K+18 K.[/QUOTE]Really good list and pretty accurate I would say. I would only add that, while Rio is a great vacation destination, most guys consider São Paulo far better for girls. I would also add that while London has never been considered good, that's just because they don't know how to do it. The Romanian agency girls (Diva and Admiral say) are spectacular. My overall top picks but for different experiences are:
Frankfurt Sharks FKK. For a full day of buffet beer sauna and 5 or so sessions. It's a spectacle and full day affair.
São Paulo. Scandallo Boate — for a night to be remembered. 150 7+ girls in a nightclub atmosphere. More hot chicks per square meter than anywhere else worldwide.
London — Diva Escorts — Have a nice lunch in a cafe. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed! Have a nice dinner at a nice restaurant. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed. It's an amazing way to spend a day.
And don't forget Seeking Arrangements if you want a real dinner date with a real girl and amazing bedroom time afterwards. Only caveat is this takes TONs of effort to do right and find the gems.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2447030]Really good list and pretty accurate I would say. I would only add that, while Rio is a great vacation destination, most guys consider So Paulo far better for girls. I would also add that while London has never been considered good, that's just because they don't know how to do it. The Romanian agency girls (Diva and Admiral say) are spectacular. My overall top picks but for different experiences are:
Frankfurt Sharks FKK. For a full day of buffet beer sauna and 5 or so sessions. It's a spectacle and full day affair.
So Paulo. Scandallo Boate for a night to be remembered. 150 7+ girls in a nightclub atmosphere. More hot chicks per square meter than anywhere else worldwide.
London Diva Escorts Have a nice lunch in a cafe. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed! Have a nice dinner at a nice restaurant. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed. It's an amazing way to spend a day.
And don't forget Seeking Arrangements if you want a real dinner date with a real girl and amazing bedroom time afterwards. Only caveat is this takes TONs of effort to do right and find the gems.[/QUOTE]Another very active part of the site can be found in the Indonesia section. It's an Asian country that seems to be overlooked by many. With destinations like Thailand, The Philippines, Singapore, and Macau no wonder. Even Vietnam and Cambodia some would say. But seems to me that if you're really into the Asian girls (I'm not), then you have to consider Indonesia as a "fertile" mongering destination. Lots of activity in the India threads too, and I'm attracted to women from the north of that country, but I spend virtually no time there as not impressed with the quality of the intel.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2447030]London Diva Escorts Have a nice lunch in a cafe. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed! Have a nice dinner at a nice restaurant. Go fuck a beautiful girl in her own bed. It's an amazing way to spend a day.
[/QUOTE]This might be the most consistent agency I have ever used. Was in london for a small duration and used this agency a lot and always got great results.
Have mongering for over 25 years now.
Best value for money ever (apart from early 2000 in Poland), must be Barcelona and the club Haima. The price before 10 PM is 60 Euro for an hour and 40 for half. There are 5-6 clubs in Barcelona. There is a bar and each bar has 10-15 girls. About 5 of them are usually OK. You don't find the FKK divas, but what they do not have in figure, they make up in attitude. That goes for all the places in Spain. The girls are soooo much warmer. The rooms usually have a shower and are fairly clean. I Stayed in a neighborhood called Eixample and it was fantastic. The food in just really good and the crowed are very friendly Spanish locals. The restaurants sever superb food (much better then the crap you get on ramblas). Haima has 2-3 bars in the area and Apricot is another nice place (but it was 120 Euro for the hour).
[QUOTE=LargeBanana;2447078]Have mongering for over 25 years now.
Best value for money ever (apart from early 2000 in Poland), must be Barcelona and the club Haima. .[/QUOTE]Hi LB:
Thenks for the info. Are these Spanish girls, or imports? What is the age range? And is the service GFE? Thanks in advance.
EF.
See the below link, I think many of the pics are actually real. I would rate the talent to be 4-6. 5. Some locals, some Eastern Europe, some Latin. I have visited a number of their locations, to me they were never the actual destination, I just ended up there. The only time I took a girl from there she was from Colombia, it was fun and good value.
Haima does not get super many reviews / mentions on the Barcelona forum, but as an occasional Barcelona tourist it has some advantages: As Large Banana mentioned: most of their locations are in the rather nice central area of Barcelona, walking distance, with restaurants, bars etc. There are also stripclubs nearby: The locations are like bars and you can go there and have a drink for around 10 euros, flirt with the girl you like, and if you don't like the talent, go on to the next place. They are all on google maps.
[URL]https://haima.es/en/barcelona-escorts[/URL]
[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2448891]Hi LB:
Thenks for the info. Are these Spanish girls, or imports? What is the age range? And is the service GFE? Thanks in advance.
EF.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I'm new to posting but have found this site useful in my travels. I am wondering if any of you know of any places around the world where you can have sex in a public room of the club. One example I have found is the Globe in Zurich where it is common to have sex with a girl in one of the cabanas in the main room. Also at Artemis in Berlin you can have sex in the movie theater but this is not very common. Thanks for your advice.
There are more German FKKs where this is possible, I have done it in Artemis that you mentioned: there are two movie theaters and also outdoor cabanas in summertime.
FKK Mainhattan in Frankfurt I had it in public, also in the movietheatre. My guess is that many FKKs in Germany with movie theater allows this. But maybe only 10-25% of the girls offer it.
Showclub Bagdad in Barcelona sometimes invite public on stage to fuck, I did this once.
In Thailand, Pattaya: Soi 6 there are bars that are rather raunchy, if you tip a little bit, play your cards well and manage to turn on the girl on. Then sex out in the bars could be possible. I once kissed, groped and had fun on one of those bars. She pulled out my cock, sucked it, put it first in her pussy. After a while in the ass. All this while I was fully clothed, only the cock sticking out, haha, one of my best experiences ever.
I also once fucked a french woman in one of those champagnebars in Paris where they mostly try to fool you into buying expensive drinks. Kind of shocking haha.
[QUOTE=Jos2610;2456775]Hi,
I'm new to posting but have found this site useful in my travels. I am wondering if any of you know of any places around the world where you can have sex in a public room of the club. One example I have found is the Globe in Zurich where it is common to have sex with a girl in one of the cabanas in the main room. Also at Artemis in Berlin you can have sex in the movie theater but this is not very common. Thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jos2610;2456775]Hi,
I'm new to posting but have found this site useful in my travels. I am wondering if any of you know of any places around the world where you can have sex in a public room of the club. One example I have found is the Globe in Zurich where it is common to have sex with a girl in one of the cabanas in the main room. Also at Artemis in Berlin you can have sex in the movie theater but this is not very common. Thanks for your advice.[/QUOTE]You need to get into the swinging scene, every Swing Club / Resort I've been to has public play rooms, and every chance another couple or single will ask if they can join in or swap with you, happy days.
One fantasy I have is to have sex with a large number of women at once. In porn they call in a reverse gangbang or girlbang. Many women with one man.
I'm interested in any advice the community can offer about making it a reality.
Some points to consider:
- I would want to have many women as possible. If I could get 20,30, 40 or more, all the better. But at least 10. This is the only hard rule and I'm willing to bend on everything else.
- I've had threesome before where one girl didn't want to suck or fuck with the same condom I used for the other girl. This really put a damper on the action. How can I avoid thay? Female condoms? Just do everything bare?
- I'd want the event to last several hours and fire as many shots as I could muster.
- Latinas are my favorite. I like the other ethnicities equally.
- I envision a party atmosphere, with mood lighting and music. Maybe even an open bar and bartender, DJ. Etc. Possibly I'd need a few people to help run the event. Maybe a large hotel suite, a ballroom. Renting out a brothel or bar? Give me ideas.
- The action would take place everywhere. Not taking girls one at a time to a backroom, but fucking then out in the open while the others watch and wait their turn.
- I'd also want at least a few girls willing to swallow / take a creampie, facial, etc. No boring shots in a condom.
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459275]One fantasy I have is to have sex with a large number of women at once. In porn they call in a reverse gangbang or girlbang. Many women with one man.
I'm interested in any advice the community can offer about making it a reality.
Some points to consider:
- I would want to have many women as possible. If I could get 20,30, 40 or more, all the better. But at least 10. This is the only hard rule and I'm willing to bend on everything else.
- I've had threesome before where one girl didn't want to suck or fuck with the same condom I used for the other girl. This really put a damper on the action. How can I avoid thay? Female condoms? Just do everything bare?
- I'd want the event to last several hours and fire as many shots as I could muster.
- Latinas are my favorite. I like the other ethnicities equally.
- I envision a party atmosphere, with mood lighting and music. Maybe even an open bar and bartender, DJ. Etc. Possibly I'd need a few people to help run the event. Maybe a large hotel suite, a ballroom. Renting out a brothel or bar? Give me ideas.
- The action would take place everywhere. Not taking girls one at a time to a backroom, but fucking then out in the open while the others watch and wait their turn.
- I'd also want at least a few girls willing to swallow / take a creampie, facial, etc. No boring shots in a condom.
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?[/QUOTE]You have left out the most important thing! How much money are you willing and able to spend on your adventure?
You can do this in the US, in the state of Nevada, at establishments such as The Love Ranch, the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, or any similar place owned by men like the late Dennis Hof.
Because this information is so widely and easily available. I am suspecting that this new member, with his or her first post, is trolling for something other than what was requested.
The problem with the legal Nevada places is that the mandatory CBJ rule makes it too clinical to replicate what the poster wanted. Plus the expense is outrageous.
Mist supposed venues offering this sort of party have women who require condoms for oral sex, and / or doing BBBJ in public would violate house or governmental rules (even if the ladies do BBBJ in "Private".
One option would be for him to contact some of the ladies in Montreal who were once affiliated with the Unicorns Agency. They now work independently but they remain friends. He could rent a nice hotel room, play some music, and have a Party with several of them at once. He would contact one of them and see if she is interested and have her contact the other escorts.
The same thing can be accomplished in any city with an escort scene that has escorts who are friends. They may have a rule that condoms be changed out when going from vaginal sex on one of them to vaginal sex on another. Those are the kind of questions that just have to be asked in advance.
I can never figure out why so many ISG posters want to deal with a Place That Offers Girls, as opposed to arranging something with Girls themselves? The Girls have brains and can communicate.
[QUOTE=George90;2459735]You have left out the most important thing! How much money are you willing and able to spend on your adventure?
You can do this in the US, in the state of Nevada, at establishments such as The Love Ranch, the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, or any similar place owned by men like the late Dennis Hof.
Because this information is so widely and easily available. I am suspecting that this new member, with his or her first post, is trolling for something other than what was requested.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=George90;2459735]You have left out the most important thing! How much money are you willing and able to spend on your adventure?
You can do this in the US, in the state of Nevada, at establishments such as The Love Ranch, the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, or any similar place owned by men like the late Dennis Hof.
Because this information is so widely and easily available. I am suspecting that this new member, with his or her first post, is trolling for something other than what was requested.[/QUOTE]Thanks. It's also widely and easily known that Nevada brothels are the most overpriced way to pay for sex in the US, and probably the world.
Fair point that I left out my budget though. As it's a special. Once-in-a-lifetime type event. I think I'd be comfortable spending about 5 k maximum. So that's far too low for the legal Nevada brothels, although it doesn't rule out the USA.
Although I personally think this fantasy is best kept a fantasy as it is far too expensive and practically hard to arrange, I would try to visit a German FKK during a slower day. To coordinate 10-30 sexworkers yourself and get them to show up at the same time. Headaches. Even impossible. Find a FKK or similar and close the deal there with the girls that you like and that are open for it.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459775] I'd be comfortable spending about 5 k maximum. .[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wiild;2458454]There are more German FKKs where this is possible, I have done it in Artemis that you mentioned: there are two movie theaters and also outdoor cabanas in summertime.
FKK Mainhattan in Frankfurt I had it in public, also in the movietheatre. My guess is that many FKKs in Germany with movie theater allows this. But maybe only 10-25% of the girls offer it.
Showclub Bagdad in Barcelona sometimes invite public on stage to fuck, I did this once.
In Thailand, Pattaya: Soi 6 there are bars that are rather raunchy, if you tip a little bit, play your cards well and manage to turn on the girl on. Then sex out in the bars could be possible. I once kissed, groped and had fun on one of those bars. She pulled out my cock, sucked it, put it first in her pussy. After a while in the ass. All this while I was fully clothed, only the cock sticking out, haha, one of my best experiences ever.
I also once fucked a french woman in one of those champagnebars in Paris where they mostly try to fool you into buying expensive drinks. Kind of shocking haha.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing these examples. Very helpful. Just goes to show that the nights you think will be low key end up surprising you.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459275]- I'd also want at least a few girls willing to swallow / take a creampie, facial, etc. No boring shots in a condom.
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?[/QUOTE]Most hookers are not into this. They bonk strictly for money. You need ultra hard core professionals, so you ned someone who will supply same. Simple really.
Check out this Daily Mail link [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8467595/Amsterdams-red-light-district-gets-green-light-reopen-Wednesday.html[/URL].
The red light districts are opening again with face masks, no oral sex etc. If you thought it was mechanical before.
Would anyone be opposed if I wrote up a summary on what I thought where each Countries best clubs?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2465612]Would anyone be opposed if I wrote up a summary on what I thought where each Countries best clubs?[/QUOTE]No, just do it! .
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2465612]Would anyone be opposed if I wrote up a summary on what I thought where each Countries best clubs?[/QUOTE]Please do it. And have multiple lists for different criteria. One for best place to pick up a gal. One for best place to go clubbing with buddies. One for best place to dance and get drunk. Etc.
As Europe is slowly opening up for tourism, quarantines are lifted, flights are starting up, what are the best possibilities for some kinda safe and fun travel in July-September 2020?
Switzerland and Austria are open to most European citizens, no quarantine, FKKs / clubs now open: Zurich and Vienna being the key destinations.
Spain is open too but Barcelona and Madrid are affected by rising rates, too high risks for travel and health + the clubs not opened, but Malaga and surrounding Costa del Sol area in Southern Spain is fine with clubs now open and there are direct flights.
Germany: borders open, but FKKs likely to keep being closed for a long time if reading the FKK threads.
What else?
[QUOTE=Wiild;2469985]As Europe is slowly opening up for tourism, quarantines are lifted, flights are starting up, what are the best possibilities for some kinda safe and fun travel in July-September 2020?
Switzerland and Austria are open to most European citizens, no quarantine, FKKs / clubs now open: Zurich and Vienna being the key destinations.
Spain is open too but Barcelona and Madrid are affected by rising rates, too high risks for travel and health + the clubs not opened, but Malaga and surrounding Costa del Sol area in Southern Spain is fine with clubs now open and there are direct flights.
Germany: borders open, but FKKs likely to keep being closed for a long time if reading the FKK threads.
What else?[/QUOTE]What about France and Italy? What news for them? Any updates?
[QUOTE=FastFuck;2470097]What about France and Italy? What news for them? Any updates?[/QUOTE]Why are you asking this? To me these are not any monger / hobby destinations, the hobby is illegal and there are hardly no quality sex related entertainment to be found here, so why would you want to risk it in these uncertain times to travel to Italy and France to pay for sex?
Germany, Spain, Switzerland and Austria on the other hand have legal and high quality scenes / clubs / FKKs that for many are worth travelling for.
[QUOTE=FastFuck;2470097]What about France and Italy? What news for them? Any updates?[/QUOTE]For countries that are more "escort oriented" than "club oriented", covid-19 did not bring the same level of devastation. It is very easy for a government to force a club to temporarily shut down, but more difficult to prohibit an escort from working. There are active ads in Italy and France, but it has always been more difficult to get an excellent experience from an escort in France or Italy than it is from an escort in Germany, Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, the United Kingdom, etc.
Here are some ads indicating that there are ladies working in the countries you asked about.
[URL]http://www.escortofitaly.com/Rome/Gallery[/URL]
[URL]https://www.6annonce.com/escorts/city_fr_paris[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2470451]For countries that are more "escort oriented" than "club oriented", covid-19 did not bring the same level of devastation. It is very easy for a government to force a club to temporarily shut down, but more difficult to prohibit an escort from working. There are active ads in Italy and France, but it has always been more difficult to get an excellent experience from an escort in France or Italy than it is from an escort in Germany, Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, the United Kingdom, etc.
Here are some ads indicating that there are ladies working in the countries you asked about.[/QUOTE]Wow Mongerer88, thanks for that information. And yeah I agree with your point that escort service do function in covid situation. But of course with limitations and other safety precautions. I was thinking that if escorts from Germany or Spain etc, can be found in France than we can expect some good service.
[QUOTE=FastFuck;2470664]Wow Mongerer88, thanks for that information. And yeah I agree with your point that escort service do function in covid situation. But of course with limitations and other safety precautions. I was thinking that if escorts from Germany or Spain etc, can be found in France than we can expect some good service.[/QUOTE]Most traveling and touring escorts in France and Italy are from Russia or Ukraine. Those advertising currently are more "locals" than usual, perhaps due to travel restrictions.
The German scene is dominated by Romanians and other ladies from Eastern Europe. Most German ladies, the blond haired, blue eyed ones at least, work as expensive independent escorts in Germany. They are rarely mentioned on ISG due to the poster preference for relatively low prices.
Many markets that are dominated by lower-cost imports have relatively fewer "local" working girls. For Spain and Portugal, the local ladies, who are prevalent, seem to simply work alongside and price match the Brazilian and Latin American imports. There is no doubt that the existence of those "imports" keeps the price down, but there are still plenty of Spanish and Portuguese working girls.
Behind the scenes, there is likely an effort in France and Italy to limit the number of foreign ladies entering those countries to do sex work. The Russians / Ukrainians seem to figure out how to successfully tour, although at least one major Russian touring group in Paris was disbanded by the police. It is an interesting question as to why more Spanish or Portuguese independents do not tour France or Italy, since the price per hour is greater than in their home countries. Or why more Romanians do not at least try to tour as independent escorts. For one thing, France and Italy make advertising relatively difficult, so perhaps the hassle and the needed technology of touring just isn't worth it. And for all we know, perhaps the local independent escorts in those countries, and / or the Russian / Ukranian agencies, make it difficult for other touring ladies to operate freely.
None of us know for certain why the scene in France and Italy is so inferior compared to other countries in southern and Central Europe.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2470733]Most traveling and touring escorts in France and Italy are from Russia or Ukraine. Those advertising currently are more "locals" than usual, perhaps due to travel restrictions.
The German scene is dominated by Romanians and other ladies from Eastern Europe. Most German ladies, the blond haired, blue eyed ones at least, work as expensive independent escorts in Germany. They are rarely mentioned on ISG due to the poster preference for relatively low prices.
Many markets that are dominated by lower-cost imports have relatively fewer "local" working girls. For Spain and Portugal, the local ladies, who are prevalent, seem to simply work alongside and price match the Brazilian and Latin American imports. There is no doubt that the existence of those "imports" keeps the price down, but there are still plenty of Spanish and Portuguese working girls.
Behind the scenes, there is likely an effort in France and Italy to limit the number of foreign ladies entering those countries to do sex work. The Russians / Ukrainians seem to figure out how to successfully tour, although at least one major Russian touring group in Paris was disbanded by the police. It is an interesting question as to why more Spanish or Portuguese independents do not tour France or Italy, since the price per hour is greater than in their home countries. Or why more Romanians do not at least try to tour as independent escorts. For one thing, France and Italy make advertising relatively difficult, so perhaps the hassle and the needed technology of touring just isn't worth it.[/QUOTE]Well to be frank, I think even though you disband one Russian or Ukrainian group, the other will crop up easily in not so long time. They are present everywhere in the world, wherever you go. Like Dubai, Thailand, Asia, everywhere. But as they say Russian women are good looking ones too.
For the record prostitution is legal in Italy and I don't think advertising is illegal over there.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459775]Thanks. It's also widely and easily known that Nevada brothels are the most overpriced way to pay for sex in the US, and probably the world.[/QUOTE]And what about the quality of girls? Worth the price quoted?
Which are the countries where prostitution is fully legal and cannabis is legal also if you are a foreigner in that country?
[QUOTE=FastFuck;2471179]And what about the quality of girls? Worth the price quoted?[/QUOTE]They will generally quote between $1,000 to $2,000 for a session, and make some guys feel good because they can negotiate that down a little. The oral sex will be a CBJ, pursuant to state law.
Most of the ladies are middle-aged. The legal Nevada brothels now attract customers who are stupid and / or paranoid.
Las Vegas actually has a very good scene if you are willing and able to pay $450-$650 an hour for an escort. BBBJ and multiples in the hour are standard. There are a great number of excellent independents and the 100 Proof agency in Vegas is also top notch.
You simply give the independent, or that particular agency, the screening information they need to prove you are not the police. It is how it works in the USA, and it works well. The police leave providers who screen alone.
I have had tremendous success with the 100 Proof Agency and plenty of Vegas independent escorts. Time long ago made the Nevada legal brothels obsolete. The business is now easily conducted via cell phone, email and screening. The younger ladies have no interest in working there, as there Freedom is too restricted.
[QUOTE=NWGuy;2471269]Which are the countries where prostitution is fully legal and cannabis is legal also if you are a foreigner in that country?[/QUOTE]Portugal and Spain meet your requirements, but Barcelona is the only place in those two countries I have found that makes its cannabis "stores" easily accessible to foreigners. I don't believe that selling marijuana is fully legal in Portugal (at least with respect to having a retail store), but possession is.
There is always some confusion when you say "fully legal". Hell, nothing is fully legal.
Prostitution is legal for the seller and purchaser in Spain and Portugal as long as all parties are adults. It is illegal to operate a brothel in Portugal, and Spain only allows brothels to operate if they are "licensed" as such (with licenses being expensive and relatively difficult to obtain). So escorting is fully legal. There are a hell of a lot of places in Spain and Portugal that, to the customer, look a lot like a brothel. But legally, it is either a massage place, or a trick pad shared by a group of independents. Every once in a while, a place in one these countries is closed under licensing / zoning rules, but that doesn't have any effect on the ladies or the customers. And of course both countries make pimping illegal, but that isn't of concern unless you are a pimp.
The US is controlling COVID-19, and the US is just a puppet for the IMF, World Bank, and Bilderberg group which Billie Gate's is a member. COVID-19 is about as real as the attack on Pearl Harbor that the Japanese Emperor didn't know about and all of the new US naval ships that mysteriously left Pearl Harbor 3 days prior, also, the Cuban missile crisis, the reason for the Vietnam war, the Cold War with Russia, the invention of HIV after birth control tanked condom sales, the 22 Trillion lost in the bank bailouts of 2008, the actual severity of terrorist threats especially since on March 25th 2020 the University of Alaska has proven that World Trade Center building 7 came down with controlled explosives and had nothing to do with the planes that hit the other 2 buildings. COVID-19 is the latest false flag farce having only 600,000 deaths after 8 months among predominantly (99%) 65 or older people with preexisting poor health conditions, a strong wind could have killed them. If COVID-19 is dangerous we should have been in quarantine for the last 300 years since Influenza and Pneumonia kill about 4 million people a year with about 30% being healthy children.
Anyway, Monger88 you said Las Vegas has good prostitution, since when? You can get a pretty good BBBJ but that is where the talent ends for the most part. Of course you might find a gem here or there but nothing compared to the Philippines <— although has went down hill greatly, or all of Central and South America. Pretty much, most Caucasian women in North America or Europe are good at BBBJ but rarely good at anything else. I had a special one in Windsor, Canada back in the 90's and after 1000's of Girls I can still remember her name "Shay". I paid $300 back then, and after realizing what I could get for $20 abroad, I moved to China. Now of course China is over.
I now am searching for a new home country, Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic or if it is safe the Ukraine are possibilities because although they look Caucasian they are far from it. Indonesia is cheap and easy but the girls are a bit lazy. The Philippines has been my vacation destination for the last 10 years since China started it's downturn but the Philippines is on it's own downturn. I still have 3 girlfriends here in China that are good at cooking and cleaning but trying to find "strange" is too difficult. Thailand is good to live and eat but GFE is a 50/50 battle and making money is a challenge. I am leaning towards Argentina, Brazil, or Colombia but the Dominican Republic is an option too.
Unless the US and Europe have changed dramatically in the last 5 years I wouldn't consider them in the top ranked for STR with good quality sex. Although they do have beautiful women in my experience for the most part, I have had more fun with a $100 PPE sex doll. Damn COVID-19.
Let's get some real opinions from people who have traveled to most of the continents. Monger88, If I am wrong about Vegas and you think the quality of service is comparable to Asia and Latin America please tell us more. Even though it is $600 versus $40 abroad it is too easy to make $5,000 a month in the US. Plus the US has good food, paintball, and snowmobiling!
Don't be a sheep.
MM.
Curitiba in Brazil is to be a pretty cool place. The girls are often very friendly and will make an effort to become your friend if you are a good customer. They don't want you going with any other girls.
And also a lot of people mention Barcelona. They have some good escort webpages there.
[QUOTE=MrMatrix;2458460]You need to get into the swinging scene, every Swing Club / Resort I've been to has public play rooms, and every chance another couple or single will ask if they can join in or swap with you, happy days.[/QUOTE]Can normal men join the swinging scene. Someone said the women get in for free to the swing clubs. And basically you have to be a really good looking man with a huge knob to get admitted into the swing club. Or is it different?
What is the most affordable location in Europe for good sex? Is the answer Germany?
[QUOTE=Frank11;2473760]What is the most affordable location in Europe for good sex? Is the answer Germany?[/QUOTE]Probably Greece with their 10-20€ 15 minute brothel. In Germany and Amsterdam its 60 euro for 30 minutes one pop. But still Germany takes the cake since the women are more attractive and brothels are much cleaner than the ones in Amsterdam and Greece.
[QUOTE=BroComplex;2475975]Probably Greece with their 10-20 15 minute brothel. In Germany and Amsterdam its 60 euro for 30 minutes one pop. But still Germany takes the cake since the women are more attractive and brothels are much cleaner than the ones in Amsterdam and Greece.[/QUOTE]What kind of service do you get in 15 mn for 20 euros? So it s 40 euros for 30 mn?
I might as well just bang my ppe doll if there is no kissing and blowjob! It is free and I don't have to wear a condom! I feel the information on this website is being manipulated by people with a financial agenda or just too many guys are OK with having crappy sex.
[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2476109]I might as well just bang my ppe doll if there is no kissing and blowjob! It is free and I don't have to wear a condom! I feel the information on this website is being manipulated by people with a financial agenda or just too many guys are OK with having crappy sex.[/QUOTE]There seems to be recurring information, sometimes working girls find it difficult to kiss their client. Apparently it is a very intimate thing is kissing. If you become a repeat customer and become her friend you will have mMore chances of kissing. But there are some girls that can kiss without so many issues. Just read the The girls performance reviews.
What do you mean financial agenda?
[QUOTE=BroComplex;2475975]Probably Greece with their 10-20 15 minute brothel. In Germany and Amsterdam its 60 euro for 30 minutes one pop. But still Germany takes the cake since the women are more attractive and brothels are much cleaner than the ones in Amsterdam and Greece.[/QUOTE]Ukraine also has good service at affordable prices.
[QUOTE=Frank11;2476805]Ukraine also has good service at affordable prices.[/QUOTE]Can you be more specific?
What's up Argentina? How come it's a separate forum? From a quick glance, it looks like most of it is abandoned. Is escorting no longer allowed or less popular?
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2471272]
I have had tremendous success with the 100 Proof Agency and plenty of Vegas independent escorts. Time long ago made the Nevada legal brothels obsolete. The business is now easily conducted via cell phone, email and screening. The younger ladies have no interest in working there, as there Freedom is too restricted.[/QUOTE]What are using? ***? P411? Tryst?
Because Vegas looks freaking terrible especially for online providers unless your some super high end model or pornstar.
My favorite places. Angeles City, Bangkok, and Bogota are all shut down. Most of the world is off-limits. Where is an American man to go?
Dominican Republic? Reports I've read from Sousa sound terrible. It sounds like all the quality women are staying home.
Tijuana. You still have to have an excuse to go down there. The escort scene ain't bad.
Mexico City. I have t sampled the scene since Club Condessa in the late 90's. I hear a buzz that they have a vibrant Twitter-based escort scene.
Rio? Never been there. Maybe I should try it?
Anywhere else? Suggestions?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480684]What are using? ***? P411? Tryst?
Because Vegas looks freaking terrible especially for online providers unless your some super high end model or pornstar.[/QUOTE]I have found this group to be very good if you are okay with the high-end scene. My current favorite there is Dani Quinn.
[URL]https://100proof.escortbook.com/models[/URL]
Yes, it is expensive. The low-end scene in the USA Is terrible.
So you either spend a lot on the high-end scene, or you forego this activity in the USA.
Do high end girls like this let you go bareback? I'm used to BBFS as a standard in the Philippines and as a small upcharge in Colombia.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480699]I have found this group to be very good if you are okay with the high-end scene. My current favorite there is Dani Quinn.
[URL]https://100proof.escortbook.com/models[/URL]
Yes, it is expensive. The low-end scene in the USA Is terrible.
So you either spend a lot on the high-end scene, or you forego this activity in the USA.[/QUOTE]
The seperate forum for Argentina and US is probably just some legacy fom the past and has nothing to do with the scene. I am no expert on Argentina, I have visited a couple of times, lovely country. My guess is that everything is pretty normal, the activity of a forum / section is not always an indicator of the IRL. This forum is english speaking therefor tend to contain majority of tourist / expat posts in the non English speaking sections. For countries that are far away from tourist-paths and have little expats that means very little activity. Argentina being good example of this. Colombia and Brazil is closer to most, have worldclass scenes, better than Argentina, therefor people love to dream and discuss that. I think Buenos Aires had some world class clubs when I visited, girls veru sexy, more European looking girls compared to Brazil and Colombia, but also more expensive.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480676]What's up Argentina? How come it's a separate forum? From a quick glance, it looks like most of it is abandoned. Is escorting no longer allowed or less popular?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2480702]Do high end girls like this let you go bareback? I'm used to BBFS as a standard in the Philippines and as a small upcharge in Colombia.[/QUOTE]No definitely not. BBBJ is standard, however.
You really can't compare the USA To Colombia or the Philippines.
The pricing and customs are just way too different.
Most guys who regularly enjoy third world markets simply don't monger in the USA.
[QUOTE=Wiild;2480762]The seperate forum for Argentina and US is probably just some legacy fom the past and has nothing to do with the scene. I am no expert on Argentina, I have visited a couple of times, lovely country. My guess is that everything is pretty normal, the activity of a forum / section is not always an indicator of the IRL. This forum is english speaking therefor tend to contain majority of tourist / expat posts in the non English speaking sections. For countries that are far away from tourist-paths and have little expats that means very little activity. Argentina being good example of this. Colombia and Brazil is closer to most, have worldclass scenes, better than Argentina, therefor people love to dream and discuss that. I think Buenos Aires had some world class clubs when I visited, girls veru sexy, more European looking girls compared to Brazil and Colombia, but also more expensive.[/QUOTE]I agree entirely. I would also add that as a result of of some government actions, the scene in Buenos Aires has turned a little more Escort-oriented than Club-oriented, and that caused a decline in interest among the guys who used to post more on the argentinaprivate forum. And a lot of guys on ISG strongly prefer a club scene. On internet sites that are more oriented to escorting, Buenos Aires is still well thought of. It is useful to note that many escorts do have incall, and that the availability of WhatsApp and Google Translate make it easier than in the last to book an escort if you don't speak Spanish. But it is a hit-or-miss place. It was long ago, but I saw one of the best escorts of my life there (a dead ringer for Phoebe Cates in her Fast Times at Ridgemont High prime), and a pure trailer-park trash lady who was just gross and actually stole the toilet paper from my hotel room. And they were from the same escort agency.
You could easily pull this off in Bogota, Colombia. Or at least you could pre-covid. For about $20 / girl. The toughest part would be finding a venue that would allow it.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459275]One fantasy I have is to have sex with a large number of women at once. In porn they call in a reverse gangbang or girlbang. Many women with one man.
I'm interested in any advice the community can offer about making it a reality.
Some points to consider:
- I would want to have many women as possible. If I could get 20,30, 40 or more, all the better. But at least 10. This is the only hard rule and I'm willing to bend on everything else.
- I've had threesome before where one girl didn't want to suck or fuck with the same condom I used for the other girl. This really put a damper on the action. How can I avoid thay? Female condoms? Just do everything bare?
- I'd want the event to last several hours and fire as many shots as I could muster.
- Latinas are my favorite. I like the other ethnicities equally.
- I envision a party atmosphere, with mood lighting and music. Maybe even an open bar and bartender, DJ. Etc. Possibly I'd need a few people to help run the event. Maybe a large hotel suite, a ballroom. Renting out a brothel or bar? Give me ideas.
- The action would take place everywhere. Not taking girls one at a time to a backroom, but fucking then out in the open while the others watch and wait their turn.
- I'd also want at least a few girls willing to swallow / take a creampie, facial, etc. No boring shots in a condom.
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480699]I have found this group to be very good if you are okay with the high-end scene. My current favorite there is Dani Quinn.
[URL]https://100proof.escortbook.com/models[/URL]
Yes, it is expensive. The low-end scene in the USA Is terrible.
So you either spend a lot on the high-end scene, or you forego this activity in the USA.[/QUOTE]I think 100 Proof is fine but that isn't much to choose from at all.
I agree, the US does suck but NYC, Miami, Dallas, etc. Are so much better than Las Vegas. Not by much but Las Vegas is pretty big let down.
[QUOTE=Wiild;2480762]The seperate forum for Argentina and US is probably just some legacy fom the past and has nothing to do with the scene. I am no expert on Argentina, I have visited a couple of times, lovely country. My guess is that everything is pretty normal, the activity of a forum / section is not always an indicator of the IRL. This forum is english speaking therefor tend to contain majority of tourist / expat posts in the non English speaking sections. For countries that are far away from tourist-paths and have little expats that means very little activity. Argentina being good example of this. Colombia and Brazil is closer to most, have worldclass scenes, better than Argentina, therefor people love to dream and discuss that. I think Buenos Aires had some world class clubs when I visited, girls veru sexy, more European looking girls compared to Brazil and Colombia, but also more expensive.[/QUOTE]Good to hear, are there any other active Argentina escort forums, bars or clubs you are able to recommend? Everything I'm finding online is really old.
Last question,
How do I use twitter to find escorts? US, Canada, Europe and SA?
Ohh, I see. I really loved the BA clubs, some felt so luxury and many superhot girls. GuyBrusg1957: spend some time and keep reading the forums, some info even from years back is useful. Combined with google seach and sometimes google maps you can find out a lot of stuff.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2480802]I agree entirely. I would also add that as a result of of some government actions, the scene in Buenos Aires has turned a little more Escort-oriented than Club-oriented[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2480976]Last question,
How do I use twitter to find escorts? US, Canada, Europe and SA?[/QUOTE]As with Montreal, I like the approach of seeing who my favorites follow.
Nina Rose is a fantastic provider in Miami, and she follows a lot of escorts nationwide. She is one of my absolute favorites in the USA.
[URL]https://twitter.com/BeautifulNinaxo/following[/URL]
Twitter will never have a Search for GFE Escorts function. They are USA Based and would be a Fosta / Sesta legal target if that ever happened.
Here are some well thought of European escorts who are very active on Twitter and follow a lot of European escorts.
[URL]https://twitter.com/_louise_pearl/following[/URL]
[URL]https://twitter.com/SandraInParis1/following[/URL]
A practical problem with this approach is that most internet active escorts have an OnlyFans or some type of AVN porn site, but follow some stuck-up girls who only do porn and won't escort. So not everyone they follow is a good lead.
And here are a couple of Brazilians, but like always with Brazil, the English is scarce.
[URL]https://twitter.com/Aninhasp2019/following[/URL]
[URL]https://twitter.com/lorenapaivaof/following[/URL]
[QUOTE=Wiild;2481091]Ohh, I see. I really loved the BA clubs, some felt so luxuary and many superhot girls. GuyBrusg1957: spend some time and keep reading the forums, som info even from years back is useful. Combined with google seach and sometimes google maps you can find out a lot of stuff.[/QUOTE]Good point. I've only gone back about a year but it seems the scene changes so much that much it may be ignored.
[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2481106]As with Montreal, I like the approach of seeing who my favorites follow.
Nina Rose is a fantastic provider in Miami, and she follows a lot of escorts nationwide. She is one of my absolute favorites in the USA.
[URL]https://twitter.com/BeautifulNinaxo/following[/URL]
Twitter will never have a Search for GFE Escorts function. They are USA Based and would be a Fosta / Sesta legal target if that ever happened.
Here are some well thought of European escorts who are very active on Twitter and follow a lot of European escorts.
[URL]https://twitter.com/_louise_pearl/following[/URL]
[URL]https://twitter.com/SandraInParis1/following[/URL]
A practical problem with this approach is that most internet active escorts have an OnlyFans or some type of AVN porn site, but follow some stuck-up girls who only do porn and won't escort. So not everyone they follow is a good lead.
And here are a couple of Brazilians, but like always with Brazil, the English is scarce.
[URL]https://twitter.com/Aninhasp2019/following[/URL]
[URL]https://twitter.com/lorenapaivaof/following[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for this this so much! Are we allowed to share escort review sites on the forum? It seems that some of them are blocked but if not I have list of popular ones for a few countries I've saved up if it's okay to share.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459275]One fantasy I have is to have sex with a large number of women at once. In porn they call in a reverse gangbang or girlbang. Many women with one man.
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?[/QUOTE]Before Covid, They organized a reverse gang bang every three month in a swing club called Normandia in Bogota. Definitively my best mongering experience ever:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=1984892&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1984892.
[QUOTE=TheBoobHound;2459275]One fantasy I have is to have sex with a large number of women at once. In porn they call in a reverse gangbang or girlbang. Many women with one man.
.....
So how can I do it? Which country, what location? How can I do the logistics? Has anyone done something similar?[/QUOTE]Not sure why others have turned this into a difficult exercise. You could walk into any bar in Asia and shut the doors if you are prepared to bar fine every girl inside. Its not a daily occurance but certainly not unheard of for a wealthy patron to do so.
I admire your ambition but actually fucking 30 girls in one night seems unlikely but costs would be under $200 per girl x 30 = $6 k.
Bareback girl to girl in the Philippines would be no problem. Just confirm it's ok before hand in Thailand or Indonesia. Girl on girl is often promised but not delivered.
Obviously this is only going to happen post Covid.
Enjoy. G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2481715]
I admire your ambition but actually fucking 30 girls in one night seems unlikely but costs would be under $200 per girl x 30 = $6 k.
[/QUOTE]Sure, fucking 30 girls for 6 000 $ what's the big deal of it? But I spent only 20 $ for my inverse gang bang. Just read my report.
[QUOTE=Routard;2481901]Sure, fucking 30 girls for 6 000 $ what's the big deal of it? But I spent only 20 $ for my inverse gang bang. Just read my report.[/QUOTE]I couldn't open the link but if you are getting girls for 60 c each I'll take a dozen. 😁.
Cheers. G.
What mongering destinations are open for business for Americans right now? What destinations should be open in the next 2-3 months. I can't wait for mid-2021 to get back to mongering.
I heard that some cities in Colombia may open up. Brazil is open. I head that the Dominican Republic is open but the selection of girls is poor right now. Are any Asian destinations open or soon to open?
[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2483025]What mongering destinations are open for business for Americans right now? What destinations should be open in the next 2-3 months. I can't wait for mid-2021 to get back to mongering.
I heard that some cities in Colombia may open up. Brazil is open. I head that the Dominican Republic is open but the selection of girls is poor right now. Are any Asian destinations open or soon to open?[/QUOTE]Here is the full list but really nothing there but Brazil and Mexico. Brazil is awesome of course but seems out of control on Covid. Mexico maybe best? I have seen Dramafree11 and Lew Ashby both having great fun in Mexico. So you might hit them up.
[URL]https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-that-have-reopened-for-american-tourists/[/URL]
Oh and I would be remiss if I didn’t note there is awesome sex here in the US if u are willing to put in the research and have a bit of game. Seeking Arrangement has been berry berry good to me! There is a thread on this and the do’s and don’ts to land US hotties — go to the Dating Agencies and then Seeking Arrangements section. Start at the beginning for the best tips. We only started that thread earlier this year so it’s not that long.
The United Arab Emirates are open for business! I know it's far, and on the expensive end too. But if you really got to go somewhere. I don't know what it's looking like on the ground now, but when I went there was an outstanding mix of girls. Tutes from Russia, the former Soviet republics, Ethiopia, Turkey, the Philippines, China. Something for everybody! Check the UAE threads for other current intelligence reports.
[URL]https://apple.news/AzEBn2iMcTsGHJSbVZB0mfg[/URL]
[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2483025]What mongering destinations are open for business for Americans right now? What destinations should be open in the next 2-3 months. I can't wait for mid-2021 to get back to mongering.
I heard that some cities in Colombia may open up. Brazil is open. I head that the Dominican Republic is open but the selection of girls is poor right now. Are any Asian destinations open or soon to open?[/QUOTE]Turkey is open and has an escort scene.
[URL]https://turkey.***************/en/escorts/istanbul[/URL]
We all know that there are many good countries in tropical regions around the world which are great for mongering and water sports like scuba diving (which I've taken advantage of). But I'm also a snow skier so I'm wondering if there are also any countries good for both mongering and skiing? Any feedback or experiences shared would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2503389]We all know that there are many good countries in tropical regions around the world which are great for mongering and water sports like scuba diving (which I've taken advantage of). But I'm also a snow skier so I'm wondering if there are also any countries good for both mongering and skiing? Any feedback or experiences shared would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE][URL]https://wellcum.at/[/URL] I was looking at going to this place, It has an airport close, And cheap flights to cologne, Never been there.I just googled Ski resorts Close to this club there we're five Within5 milesOf The club,They seemed to offer hiking in the summertime,Of course everything depends On covid
[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2503389]We all know that there are many good countries in tropical regions around the world which are great for mongering and water sports like scuba diving (which I've taken advantage of). But I'm also a snow skier so I'm wondering if there are also any countries good for both mongering and skiing? Any feedback or experiences shared would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Austria, Swiss and maybe Germany (Bavaria). But actually all clubs in Austria and Germany are closed.
I don't know which clubs are near ski slopes. Probably Austria's clubs are the best bet.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2503413]...But actually all clubs in Austria and Germany are closed...[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, the mongering venues in Austria and Switzerland have been open for business since early July
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2483031]Here is the full list but really nothing there but Brazil and Mexico. Brazil is awesome of course but seems out of control on Covid. Mexico maybe best? I have seen Dramafree11 and Lew Ashby both having great fun in Mexico. So you might hit them up.
[URL]https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-that-have-reopened-for-american-tourists/[/URL]
Oh and I would be remiss if I didnt note there is awesome sex here in the US if u are willing to put in the research and have a bit of game. Seeking Arrangement has been berry berry good to me! There is a thread on this and the dos and donts to land US hotties go to the Dating Agencies and then Seeking Arrangements section. Start at the beginning for the best tips. We only started that thread earlier this year so its not that long.[/QUOTE]I agree that Brazil is a great mongering destination, if you are brave enough to deal with Covid. But, Mexico? I would not put much faith in their ability to control Covid. I would suggest Colombia as a better alternative, in these troubling times.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2503413]Austria, Swiss and maybe Germany (Bavaria). But actually all clubs in Austria and Germany are closed.
I don't know which clubs are near ski slopes. Probably Austria's clubs are the best bet.[/QUOTE]Thanks everyone for your feedback so far. Does anyone know where would be the closest action near Zermatt? What about the Scandinavian countries since they have skiing and I assume some pretty women? Any mongering action worthwhile there comparable to Austria, Germany and Switzerland?
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2503488]To my knowledge, the mongering venues in Austria and Switzerland have been open for business since early July[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm sure! Hard lockdown now in Austria and all clubs are closed since early November. As I wrote some Swiss clubs are still open.
A few questions for more experienced folks.
1. What's up with all of the Asian escorts? Why are there so many?
2. What's difference between the Zurich and Vienna scene?
3. Do I need to know Spanish or how well does my Spanish need to be to visit Brazil, Argentina or Columbia?
4. How would you all rank the popular places? For example, they seem to be in no particular order. Amsterdam RLD, London Escorts, Germany FKKs, Austria Clubs, Switzerland Brothels, Spain (Madrid / Barcelona), Canada (Toronto / Montreal), Brazil Clubs, etc.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505174]
2. What's difference between the Zurich and Vienna scene?[/QUOTE]Vienna is cheaper with more choice.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505174]3. Do I need to know Spanish or how well does my Spanish need to be to visit Brazil, Argentina or Columbia?[/QUOTE]In Brasil they speak Portuguese.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505174]4. How would you all rank the popular places? For example, they seem to be in no particular order. Amsterdam RLD, London Escorts, Germany FKKs, Austria Clubs, Switzerland Brothels, Spain (Madrid / Barcelona), Canada (Toronto / Montreal), Brazil Clubs, etc.[/QUOTE]Avoid Amsterdam RLD, it's full of scammer and shitty services.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2505176]
In Brasil they speak Portuguese.
[/QUOTE]Am I able to get by with just English?
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505221]Am I able to get by with just English?[/QUOTE]That depends on what "getting by" means to you. It's not Europe, they don't speak much English anywhere in South America including Brazil. So, if you're OK with prives (small *****houses) and termas (small *****houses where you wear a robe), it's very easy, just gather addresses on the Rio forum and plan your stay around these establishments. If you're more interested in escorts, that would limit you to the ones who speak English (very few do). If you prefer to hunt in bars and strip clubs, that'll be tough.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2503490]I agree that Brazil is a great mongering destination, if you are brave enough to deal with Covid. But, Mexico? I would not put much faith in their ability to control Covid. I would suggest Colombia as a better alternative, in these troubling times.[/QUOTE]I went to Mexico in August and September it was all good, I'm Brazil now everyone masked up, checking temps before you go in stores / hotels. Hand sanitizer everywhere. As far as Mexico if you interested in Tijuana Hong Kong is back open I'm not that brave but if you are in my opinion one of the best house of hoes in North America. If COVID concerns you it would in my opinion it would be better to be close to home than in another hemisphere.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2505291]That depends on what "getting by" means to you. It's not Europe, they don't speak much English anywhere in South America including Brazil. So, if you're OK with prives (small *****houses) and termas (small *****houses where you wear a robe), it's very easy, just gather addresses on the Rio forum and plan your stay around these establishments. If you're more interested in escorts, that would limit you to the ones who speak English (very few do). If you prefer to hunt in bars and strip clubs, that'll be tough.[/QUOTE]I speak English some Spanish, enough to have a great time in Latin America. How well does Spanish work in Brazil? My understanding is that they speak Portuguese which I do not know.
[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2505326]I speak English some Spanish, enough to have a great time in Latin America. How well does Spanish work in Brazil? My understanding is that they speak Portuguese which I do not know.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking, Spanish speakers and Portuguese speakers can understand each other. However, most Spanish speakers would be hesitant to start speaking Portuguese and vice versa. For the purpose of mongering and general survival, your Spanish language skills will take you far enough. Similar to the difference between Russian and Ukrainian, the fundamental grammar is the same but each language uses many different words and pronunciations. Speak Spanish slowly using simple words and the Brazilian garotas will understand you just fine.
[QUOTE=Jake993;2505330]Generally speaking, Spanish speakers and Portuguese speakers can understand each other. However, most Spanish speakers would be hesitant to start speaking Portuguese and vice versa. For the purpose of mongering and general survival, your Spanish language skills will take you far enough. Similar to the difference between Russian and Ukrainian, the fundamental grammar is the same but each language uses many different words and pronunciations. Speak Spanish slowly using simple words and the Brazilian garotas will understand you just fine.[/QUOTE]Thanks Jake. I want to check out Rio and Sao Paulo someday when things improve. Just dreading the travel time from San Diego.
Are there any countries that are cheaper than Colombia / Brazil and have good looking girls who will gladly accept dollars for BBFS? I know this is a big ask, and if Colombia / Brazil are the cheapest then that's fine. I was just wondering if there are any countries that I am missing in the forums that also bring the goods.
Thank you.
If you had the option of Frankfurt, Vienna or Zurich for a week with possible travel between these cities. Which ones would you pick for your first visit and why? Is this enough time to visit more than one or not enough? What's a decent budget average? $3 k USD?
I can only speak to #1. I think there's lots of Asian escorts because most Asian countries were poor for a very long time. Then, Western civilization and values influenced them. Suddenly, instead of valuing inner peace, family, and knowledge, higher value is placed on material possessions, looks, and money. And the easiest way to achieve those things is prostitution.
I haven't been to South America or Europe for hobbying yet. But from the research I did last year, it seems like Brazil offers the cheapest with widest selection. Then, Germany's FKKs and London escorts. Haven't looked much into Canada, though.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2505174]A few questions for more experienced folks.
1. What's up with all of the Asian escorts? Why are there so many?
2. What's difference between the Zurich and Vienna scene?
3. Do I need to know Spanish or how well does my Spanish need to be to visit Brazil, Argentina or Columbia?
4. How would you all rank the popular places? For example, they seem to be in no particular order. Amsterdam RLD, London Escorts, Germany FKKs, Austria Clubs, Switzerland Brothels, Spain (Madrid / Barcelona), Canada (Toronto / Montreal), Brazil Clubs, etc.[/QUOTE]
Since you seem to be familiar with Brazil and Colombia, care to share how much BBFS typically is over there?
[QUOTE=HelloIm;2512475]Are there any countries that are cheaper than Colombia / Brazil and have good looking girls who will gladly accept dollars for BBFS? I know this is a big ask, and if Colombia / Brazil are the cheapest then that's fine. I was just wondering if there are any countries that I am missing in the forums that also bring the goods.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2503509]Thanks everyone for your feedback so far. Does anyone know where would be the closest action near Zermatt? What about the Scandinavian countries since they have skiing and I assume some pretty women? Any mongering action worthwhile there comparable to Austria, Germany and Switzerland?[/QUOTE]Check on the skiing and women, no go on the mongering. I would advise anyone against buying sex in the Scandinavian countries as it's illegal. It's legal in Denmark, but it's also one of the flattest countries I know of, so no skiing.
Yes, there's an online scene in for instance Sweden, but do you want to put yourself in that kind of power dynamic with a prostitute? It's illegal to buy, not to sell, which means she could report you to the police. And on top of that, prizes are insane if you are into moderately attractive girls.
[QUOTE=HelloIm;2512475]Are there any countries that are cheaper than Colombia / Brazil and have good looking girls who will gladly accept dollars for BBFS? I know this is a big ask, and if Colombia / Brazil are the cheapest then that's fine. I was just wondering if there are any countries that I am missing in the forums that also bring the goods.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Colombia but I know a lot of Brazilian girls are really careful and I don't even bother asking to go without a condom anymore. In Thailand and Laos it's different and I would say cheaper as well. Most of the times they don't ask for a condom and if they do it's easy to work around that. Yes I know it's stupid to not use a condom but I don't really feel much at all with a condom on.
I planned my week in Bogota well in advance. I catalogued and proposed to a ton of girls on SA. I finally found a perfect logistical setup. I got approval from the wife and the job to be "out of town" for a week. And then they started locking Bogota down. Because of my situation, I can't risk even a 1% chance of being stuck somewhere if they choose to shut the borders down again.
So, with a free week of mongering time, where should I go from the East coast of the US? Brazil is a long flight but I've never been there. I can probably get to Europe. It sounds like Mexico City and GDL are locking down. And TJ requires me to deal with the lockdown bullshit in San Diego. I'm completely open to suggestions.
[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2519303] I can probably get to Europe.[/QUOTE]Almost everythings is closed and in lockdown in Europe. FKKs in Swiss, Germany, Austria and Holland are closed. Reading Spanish boards seems some brothels are open in Spain.
[QUOTE=ChristianG;2519311]Almost everythings is closed and in lockdown in Europe. FKKs in Swiss, Germany, Austria and Holland are closed. Reading Spanish boards seems some brothels are open in Spain.[/QUOTE]The problem is that people from the United States can't enter Spain.
Spain's legal framework essentially creates a private, legal transaction between the customer and the sex worker, with some establishments where sex workers operate getting certain specific licensing protections under the hotel statutes. But as is the case with escorts worldwide, the closer the transaction is to a private interaction between two individuals, the more difficult it is for the government to shut it down under its licensing and regulation powers. So the sex work industry in Spain and Portugal has been less adversely affected than in countries with true legal, regulated brothels and designate red-light zones.
But the governments of Spain and Portugal still have the ultimate power of not letting certain foreigners into their country, which pretty much makes the availability of commercial sex irrelevant to anyone but locals and guys from countries that are allowed to enter.
Hey all,
It's a been a while and in my boredom I went ahead and made a new European Brothel Map that lists the most "common" clubs from FKKs, Kontact Bars, Strip Clubs, Brothels, etc. This is my first attempt from what search engine spit out. I'm probably missing quite a few things so feel free to let me know, I'll start a list and add those over the next few months hopefully as the lockdown ends. I'm familiar with The Netherlands, Germany and Austria. I need help with Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Geneva, UK, etc. Along if I missed any clubs or put ones that have since retired.
This in a *. Kmz format. You can view this with notepad, excel or import into Bing Maps or Google Maps.
[URL=https://pastebin.com/eCrGYsV5]European Adult Clubs - February 2021 - Rough Draft #1[/URL]
Hello,
I want to ask you which of the following countries# are better as a sex destination (str / escorts).
# these countries which I can travel to (because of low pricing ticket (offer) and easy visa for my country).
Are (non shengen euro countries plus Kazakhstan and Lebanon):
Albania, Andora, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Ukraine // Kazakhstan, Lebanon.
Another question: Does legality of prostitution / brothels really matter? I mean in Russia it's illegal (as of what I read) but it's one of the most countries in sex workers.
Sorry for my English.
Nice effort but, I copied pasted inside notepad and saved as a KMZ.
"The file contains invalid or unsupported data, or the file is too large to parse."
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2527269]Hey all,
It's a been a while and in my boredom I went ahead and made a new European Brothel Map that lists the most "common" clubs from FKKs, Kontact Bars, Strip Clubs, Brothels, etc. This is my first attempt from what search engine spit out. I'm probably missing quite a few things so feel free to let me know, I'll start a list and add those over the next few months hopefully as the lockdown ends. I'm familiar with The Netherlands, Germany and Austria. I need help with Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Geneva, UK, etc. Along if I missed any clubs or put ones that have since retired.
This in a *. Kmz format. You can view this with notepad, excel or import into Bing Maps or Google Maps.
[URL=https://pastebin.com/eCrGYsV5]European Adult Clubs - February 2021 - Rough Draft #1[/URL][/QUOTE]
I had a freak of a GF. Her oral skills were off the chart, but a miserable person to be around after dumping a load. Having experienced an enthusiastic deep-throating cum loving swallower who could stand up to a good face fucking, I'm hoping to figure out what country has the most prolific population of women that give great BBBJ's.
Hi guys,
I'm planning my holidays for September. What would you recommend as a good destination with nice beach and sex with escorts?
I see that the Caribbean are not recommended in September because of the rain.
Maybe Spain?
[QUOTE=Huabb;2535179]Hello,
I want to ask you which of the following countries# are better as a sex destination (str / escorts).
# these countries which I can travel to (because of low pricing ticket (offer) and easy visa for my country).
Are (non shengen euro countries plus Kazakhstan and Lebanon):
Albania, Andora, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Ukraine // Kazakhstan, Lebanon.
Another question: Does legality of prostitution / brothels really matter? I mean in Russia it's illegal (as of what I read) but it's one of the most countries in sex workers.
Sorry for my English.[/QUOTE]On your list the only countries I can recommend are ukraine and Azerbaijan.
Hey, any updates on the map? Very interested too see more.
[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2527269]Hey all,
It's a been a while and in my boredom I went ahead and made a new European Brothel Map that lists the most "common" clubs from FKKs, Kontact Bars, Strip Clubs, Brothels, etc. This is my first attempt from what search engine spit out. I'm probably missing quite a few things so feel free to let me know, I'll start a list and add those over the next few months hopefully as the lockdown ends. I'm familiar with The Netherlands, Germany and Austria. I need help with Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Geneva, UK, etc. Along if I missed any clubs or put ones that have since retired.
This in a *. Kmz format. You can view this with notepad, excel or import into Bing Maps or Google Maps.
[URL=https://pastebin.com/eCrGYsV5]European Adult Clubs - February 2021 - Rough Draft #1[/URL][/QUOTE]
I am an avid scuba diver and hobbiest and looking for the best places to do both. With Campo closed in Curacao, Pachie's small and likely closed in Bonaire, I'm looking for the best places to go for both diving into the sea, and diving into beautiful women on land. Does anyone have any info on where the water is warm, the BBBJs are affordable, and the SWs are reasonably priced?