Santa Cruz de la Sierra

[QUOTE=RBoone;2369187]I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

Walked up to the gate, rang the buzzer. "Yo quiero masaje. Tienes masajistas?" I was buzzed in. I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans. I explained (in American high school sophomore Spanish) that it is my first time in Bolivia, first time in Sta. Cruz, and first time at Pamelita's. That brought a smile. I was offered a line-up of six girls, but when I asked if the mamacita was available she smiled and said yes! She led me upstairs, I took a shower and we both undressed. We exchanged massages, first me then her. Rubbing her pussy seemed to get her excited and a little noisy. We finished with a very satisfactory BBBJ, CIM. After that we talked, or tried to, for a bit and then I was ready to leave. Damage was BS 1000 plus propina Bs250 for the Spanish lesson.

Sorry for late post.

Richard.[/QUOTE]So if my math is right a 6.9 be to the dollar $ 1,250 be = $181 USD?

1500 BS for 2 girls for 2 hours full service is a decent deal for the place on Cuchillo.

1000 BS for 1 girl for 1 hour full service is at least twice "normal" rate. Add the 250 propina and that was waaay overcompensated. I've had 2 top shelf chicas together for that (admittedly took some negotiating). The girls on Cuchillo are OK but not top shelf by any means. Enthusiastic and just OK on they eyes, but not stunners by any stretch.

Similar place on Rio Quimore has better talent (on average day) and better pricing. 300 BS per "chica hour" for "besotherapia" (oral) would be normal as an example.

Interestingly the girls manage time in these places more with skill than clock watching and do a pretty good job of it.

Just info. Hope no one gets offended. Reality check on pricing is always a good thing. Hope someone keeps me from overpaying when I in unknown waters.

FWIW this in all likelyhood was not the mamacita. The girls in these joints (the more "senior" ones anyway) rotate the job of answering the door and handling the line up and sometimes the cash. Usually everything you lay eyes on is on the menu. If the real mamacita was around you would have at most caught a glimpse of her through a door. The place on chuchio has a dude hanging around from time to time. Ironing his clothes and shit like that. Which is rare in these places. It doesn't keep me away, but for some reason I've filed it away as info that might be important. For the guy asking about exchange rate 6. 9 might be close to what you get on the street, but the girls in these places are only going to give you 6. 8. No big deal to us I know cause its just pennies. They only ***** about dollars when you need change and they don't have it though. For example if you owe 350 BS and pay with a 100 USD they might ***** about having to come up with 330 BS cash. Sometimes if its early they just won't have the BS and they have to go outside somewhere to change your benjamin while you wait. So its best to let them know you have USD only up front if that is the case. Benjamins are by far the prefered denomination. Others are frowned upon or even just not accepted. Forget about using 1's or 5's in combination with BS for example.

[QUOTE=RBoone;2369187]I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

. . . I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans.[/QUOTE]

Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.

Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2373611]Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.[/QUOTE]

I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2503303]I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.[/QUOTE]Wow. Better than I could have hoped for. A spa with 8 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some. It would have cost 800 BS (119 usd), but I tipped them both so it was 1000 BS (149). I know the prices aren't amazing, but the service was. Hard to complain.

Been in Bolivia since 2019 and if you are paying more than 350 BS for an hour you are scamming yourself. You can get better service in better places with a wide choice of women to choose from who are great looking.

Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?

Hey y'all,

I'm visiting Santa Cruz in a few months and was wondering if there were any suggestions or places to go. I know COVID changed a lot but was wondering if anyone has any places that are available today.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2683790]Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?[/QUOTE]I'm wondering why Bolivia? As for me, I was disappointed with ayahuasca. I have had better results with Bufo. ID you are in the US, I could point you to a couple of places in Mexico. I live in a border town, and that is the path I take. Drop me a PM if interested.

Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.

Club 2515: This caters much more to locals and you can tell. Even those I'm a gringo and they could tell I was treated fairly. The girls here are a bit of lesser quality but they are a bit more outgoing and willing to do more for there drinks so to speak. If your looking for high quality you can probably skip but if your curious I'd give it a go.

[QUOTE=HiFive1234;2728843]Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Highfive. So what were the prices in Club Paradise?

Here is an update.

It looks like a lot of places are closed.

Let us know which ones?

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[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2374238]Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.[/QUOTE]

So, after a good night's rest after my late arrival in Santa Cruz, I got to work on looking for some opportunities for spending my day there until my early evening flight. I had done some homework before I left Sao Paulo and did a search on Arrechas, another wonderful product of Truvalia Classifieds.

[URL]https://www.arrechas.com/escorts/santa-cruz[/URL]

Now one thing I've learned about the Spanish speaking realm of South America, I noticed that ads for some escorts, or pairs of girls are often a front for bordellos (I don't think that Truvlia lets brothels advertise openly). The key word to finding them is to do a search of the site for the word "somos". Brothels tend to use the first-person plural in the description and somos is present in such ads. I came up with a few prospects that way, and sent them a Whatsapp inquiry. I got a message back from both, though a bit belated. The response was the usual well prepared texts and rates, along with photos of the girls with their faces obscured. I chose the one closest to me, which I nicknamed " " in my contacts because that was the name of ad for the girl in Arrechas. Rates were 250 an hour for both. Both sent me their address. One was a bit more complicated as it was located near a transport hub, I gathered. But, they at least sent photos with directions to their place. I ended up going to one in what turned out to be a nice, upscale residential neighborhood.

The numbers on the house were hard to read from the street and the Uber dropped me off at the end of the block. I walked around a bit before I saw the address on the wall around a large house, rang the buzzer and waited a while before ringing again. I'd sent them a Zap earlier indicating I was on the way, and for some reason I got the idea that they'd be expecting me. The door to the gate opened and there was a younger guy, maybe mid-20's standing there looking me over. He directed me to the front door of the house without so much of a greeting. I doubt they get many gringos here, as they are scarce in Santa Cruz as I found out. The house was dark but furnished decently and the guy pointed me to a couch where I sat while he called out the girls for the lineup. Several came out of an adjoining room. A few were rather tall, and of course a few very short and squat. I couldn't see them too well in the low light, which I expect was like that for a reason. But, none looked homely or overweight. Ages ranged form maybe 20 to a bit more mature. As soon as they saw me they seemed interested and starting chattering in Spanish and I heard the word "ingles" a fee times. At least they seemed more enthused than the host. I chose a tall girl standing close to me and she directed me to a small bar set up in the room. I paid the pimp for an hour, and he offered me a condom which I declined because I always bring my own (brothels and many escorts everywhere in the world tend to be stocked with cheap, small condoms you wouldn't want on your cock). I had to wonder if he would have charged me for that.

Once upstairs we entered a nice large bedroom though there was obviously something wrong the door, as she used the only visible towel to jam the door closed. I got a look at her. Cute face and nice body. Her name was Yessica (or at least that is what she is called there). She was only wearing a black bra and g-string with white heels on. We chit-chatted a bit in my limited Spanish and she indicated she wanted to learn English. I was ready to " drop the linen and commence with the sinnin' yet she wanted to get comfortable with me a bit, and asked me some questions about myself, my age, my occupation, what I was doing in Bolivia and my marital status. She told me she was 20 and she actually looked to be 20. But, it was obvious she was not a seasoned hoe, either and her body was nice with no signs of maternity. She asked me if I wanted a shower and I said yes, of course as showing good hygiene goes a long way even if you just took a shower. There was a large dressing area to the side and a bathroom attached to it, though the light didn't work in it. I left my clothes on the racks there and took a cold shower. This was obviously once a nice house but clearly in a state of disrepair. I had to get the towel off the door to dry myself off. After that, I finally got her to undress, and get on the bed. I told I wanted to suck her pussy but she said it was not allowed there. Huh? Okay, your loss. I've made many a reluctant hoe come and even squirt when I was down on her. So it got down to just cuddling and she would not allow kisses on the lips, either. I thought to myself that this is going to be lousy when it shouldn't. She at least let me finger her pussy a while and in short order put on the condom I brought (a Magnum Bareskins which she was every curious about). Of course, came the CBJ and then she decided to get on top of me. To her credit she didn't pull out any lube and grease her parts up (which is unfortunately standard in Brazil), so there was ample friction going into the snug twat. After riding me for awhile she got off, and asked what I wanted. I flipped her on all fours, took a look at that ass, spread her cheeks and stuffed my nose down there, which at least got her giggling. To be sure that ass looked lovely. And it was smooth sailing after that. I pumped her from behind, and that felt so awesome I was done before I wanted to be. However, in the requisite pillow talk she continued her line of questioning about myself, without revealing much about herself (which was probably embarassing for her anyways). She wanted my contact info and I let her enter her cell number onto mine. But, it was so strange as she had little interest in sex but a clear interest something else about myself. I thought to myself, "Girl if you looking to be my sugar baby, you are going to have do a lot better than you have done so far. We are not off to a good start. " She seemed comfortable with me though and we chatted until I saw it was approaching an hour and I put on my clothes and she headed downstairs with me in her lingerie, of course. Downstairs the door was already open as the pimp was going to the gate with one of the near naked girl. They were getting a delivery of food from a driver. He looked at me and said something in English like "take it easy" but not so much as an expression of gratitude for the business or any desire for me to return. So, I won't. Seriously, in Colombia the casas are typically run by friendly guys, who want you to have a good experience and come back. So, I walked out the gate, which they closed very quickly, and tried in vain to find a good cup of coffee in the neighborhood. So, I caught my Uber back to the Plaza Metropolitana where I bought some souvenirs, ate a steak at a decent restaurant and went back to the hotel just in time to get my bags and catch an Uber to the airport for the flight to Lima.

Based on my limited experience, I won't come back there just to punt, though I do plan to bite the bullet, pay the $160 for a tourist visa and check out the many other renowned places in Bolivia (at some point). Yessica sent me a zap next day, indicating she wanted me to help her learn English and she chats with me every day now and asks when I am going to come back. Hmmm. I asked if she had even been to the beach and she said she had never been invited out to a country which had a beach. That could be some enticing bait, in the right circumstances. She asks me questions like "what do you want in a woman" and tells me her dreams in life, and other naive, girly stuff. I can only imagine her background, but anything would be uphill for her at this point. I mention this because this is the only time in all my punting adventures in 11 nations that a girl has initiated correspondence with me. Then again, Bolivia is probably the poorest country I have visited. Point to ponder.

Time to ring up my old Brit friend in Rio, who has multiple girls in different counties in SA on a stringer. I have no experience as a sugar daddy, and definitely will need his seasoned advice on how to manage this potential adventure.