Ho Chi Minh City - Massage Parlors

[QUOTE=Playsafe]I think for the regular massages, 100k tip is about right. I would pay 150k for a HJ & 200k for BJ. That's pretty average tip. If the service is really great then I would pay 250k-300k.[/QUOTE]I often tip 100, 000 without any complaints. The other day though I gave a girl 150, 000 but she just automatically assumed that 50, 000 was for the shop. I didn't complain. So 100, 000 was more than enough for her. She and probably every other massage girl in the city live in similar conditions and have similar budgets. So why do some expect 200, 000 and others only 100, 000. My point is that they're all doing the same work and should realize that other girls are doing the same work for half the money.

[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes]Cost of living in saigon has gone up, no doubt about it. BUT relatively so have wages. (Local) Office workers mid level have seen wages go up as well as low level earners I. E. Wait staff, attendants etc. So 25% inflation yes, but also wages have increased. General estimate: Shop assistants US$150pm, Waiters US$100pm, low level admin US$250pm, mid level admin US$500 so on.
[/QUOTE]Most of the waitstaff at restaurants that I've talked to make less than 1.5 million, $70-80.

Hi Guys,

I am an Indian and I happened to work in HCMC for about a year last year (April 07 to Jan 08). I experienced MP for the first time in HCMC.

I would like to describe the various Spa / MP I visited.

1. Regency Hotel, 206 Ba Thang Hai Street, Dist 10

The ambiance is first rate. They charge USD25 for the total package. It includes Sauna, Steam baths, Jacuzzi (hot and cold), facial, hair cut, foot massage, full body massage, manicure and pedicure. Ofcourse we have to tip for each provider. (100K for the full body massage and 50K for the other services) In the sauna / steam / Jacuzzi area, the one thing I did not like is the bathing space. Its open and I saw everybody taking shower in full nude. Being an Indian I could not do so and took my shower in a trunk provided by the place. After we finished experiencing all the services, we took a nap in the relaxing area. We were given a use and throw tooth brush, paste in the morning to freshen up and took bath and they provided breakfast too.

No extras in massage. Straight forward, professional. We can go there after dinner and stay there till morning.

2. Minh Tanh Hotel, Near War Musium, or the street across MGM, Dist 1

I liked this place so much that I was visiting this place almost twice a week (in addition to other MPs). No restriction on time spent in Sauna, Steam and Jacuzzi. I used to spend about 2-3 hrs per visit. Then while we wait in the relaxing area, they provide some fruits and bottled water. In about 10 to 15 minutes we will be escorted to the massage cabins which were good. The Hotel charges 120K for the full body massage and 60K for the foot massage (sauna, steam, Jacuzzi are included) In about a year long visits, I was massaged twice by the same girl only twice. They get new girls regularly and all of them are beautiful. Only HJ is allowed.

Here I made a habit of controlling the time. I sit in Sauna for 20 min straight, and when I can not bear it anymore, I take a warm water shower usually for 15 min. Then come back to steam bath sit for another 10-20 min. Then take warm water shower for another 10-20 min to let the body cool off slowly and then relax in Jacuzzi for not less than 30 min. The water is usually room temp. When I feel I should take massage I take a cold shower to make the body completely cool. It takes about 30 min. Then I feel fresh and not sweating anymore. I did this from a health point and reduced my weight by 12 Kg in 3 months. Please note: Don’t take cold shower immediately after coming out of Sauna or Steam bath as it will cool your body immediately from outside while your bones are still hot. This will disturb the harmony of the body. The reason I take cold shower before proceeding to massage is to cool my body completely to the bone and not sweat as I feel we should be fresh before massage. The Hotel is changing girls regularly, and I never encountered the same girl twice. Overall they are very friendly and give good HJ. Tips about 200K. Most of the time they demand more but settle for 200K.

3. Saigon Hotel, Infront of Sheraton Hotel, Dist 1

They have refurbished the steam/ sauna bath recently. They have a cozy Jacuzzi. A small one for one person. I was fortunate that when ever I visited, I was alone in Jacuzzi for as long as I wished. They charge USD. 10 for one hour massage (Ofcourse sauna, steam, Jacuzzi are included). There is no relaxing area and you will be escorted to the massage cabins immediately (by one of the most beautiful girl I have ever seen in Vietnam) Massage is usual. HJ costs 200K. Most of the time they demand USD50 but they settle for 200K.

4. Ngoc Anh (as described in the earlier posts by others) Dist 1

It is by far the best massage I ever received. The flip side is the Steam, Sauna are small and very much crowded. I had to wait for 15 min just to enter Sauna. Somehow I did not like their Jacuzzi and the shower area. But the massage is the best with hot stones. The ladies are usually in their 30s and very professional. There is no extras. They charge 100K and 100K tip to the lady.

5. Two other non descript MPs in Tan Binh Dist:

These places are a not clean, massage not satisfactory but cheap. I only visited them out of curiosity to know how MPs are in places other than Dist 1. They are for locals only and everybody as watching me curiously while I was there. In one MP the girl accepted for a BBBJ without CIM for 200K. But it was not very professional. The girls are happy with 100K for HJ.

6. Dance bar girl: From Gossip.

The first time I went to Gossip was in April 07 (before they closed for some time) and then they were charging USD. 5 for entry on weekends. My friend was fuming as no other establishment was charging money just for entry. (They say a drink was free). Well the girls there are strikingly beautiful. I was dancing with a beautiful girl may be 5’6" flat belly but big tits fat thighs. She asked me whether she can come with me to my room. She offered for USD. 100. As I was a novice, after consulting with my friend, agreed. I was not sure what I will do with her and after reaching home on her bike, I told her I am not interested in Bom bom. She gave me BBBJ and after shower we were lying on bed in each others arms chatting and after some time as I was feeling the urge down below. She sensed it and again went down to take care of the tension. Again a BBBJ and we went back to sleep. Early in the morning when I was feeling cozy, she again gave me a BBBJ. I told her she has to leave as my friends may be coming over. She understood and left immediately. Very thourough professional!

In the morning after the effects of the last night’s high was out, my friend gave me some valuable advise. Not to bring any girl home and never pay anygirl more than USD. 40 max. But it happened casually and the girl was also nice so no probs.

Over all my stay in Vietnam was a very happy one. People are very friendly and want to know more about outside world. Their hunger to learn English was anormous. Very very hard working people and I prefer to go to HCMC over Bangkok if chance comes by.

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[QUOTE=Newbie From Vza] Please note: Don’t take cold shower immediately after coming out of Sauna or Steam bath as it will cool your body immediately from outside while your bones are still hot. This will disturb the harmony of the body. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, NFV!

Quick comment to your note:

Common wisdom in Finland (the gurus for dry sauna) is that you should indeed take a very very cold shower immediately after leaving a sauna (especially if you stay in there for 20 mins). The sauna pushes your blood from the inner circle to the outer circle, and the cold bath pushes it back from your extremities into the inner bloodcircle.

I find the feeling of an icecold shower better that the crappy handjobs they give you in some of these places

Hasta

Centaurus

[QUOTE=Newbie From Vza]
In the morning after the effects of the last night’s high was out, my friend gave me some valuable advise. Not to bring any girl home and never pay anygirl more than USD. 40 max. But it happened casually and the girl was also nice so no probs.
[/QUOTE]

Great report. Thanks.

I'm not sure I agree with your friend - the rates for girls are higher in those discos, for sure. What she offered to go for is what I've heard is the going rate these days in discos. Maybe someone else knows better than myself, but I have never heard that it's possible to get a girl at a disco for as low as just $40. Maybe you could negotiate something a little lower, can only try, but I very much doubt you could get her down to just $40. Also, Gossip is perhaps the highest priced disco in HCMC, so...

I also don't understand why your friend said never to bring a girl back, because that's very commonly done here. '

Hi All,

I have a question for some of you guys who live there in HCM or go there quite often. Maybe Wendella or Sudsoz will know. A Viet-Kieu friend of mine who goes there a couple of times a year told me about a couple of places there in HCM called Le Duyen. I know that Le Duyen II is downtown in District 1 on Cong Quynh Street. Now, my friend told me that the usual High-Class services can be had there, including haircut, facials, foot massage and body massage. My question is, do any of you guys know it, and exactly what services are offered? I shall be back for 5 weeks in January and Febrauary next year, and I would be interested in knowing what I can expect beforehand.

According to my Viet-Kieu friend, depending on the girl, you can go as far as possible (pun intended). LOL Of course, I don't know if that has something to do with being Vietnamese, or speaking the language, or just money. So please guys, someone let me know if you have any knowledge of those places.

Thanks,

H

In regards to Le Duyen:

I happened to frequent a similar establishment today. There are plenty around town disguised in different names which basically all follow a similar formula. And that is.

Walk in, greeted by half a dozen of the sexiest girls you'll see, pick one, choose the service you want (hair wash, face wash, manicure/pedicure, ear clean, foot massage, body massage) and then proceed to a room.

Now this room will be used by 3 to 5 other customers who are receiving various services. So there goes any extra services. And that's just the point. These places ARE NOT for extra services. These places are for relaxation and if the conversation goes right then a follow up date OUTSIDE the girls working hours.

You might get a stray girl who needs the money desperately, who will go against rules and sneak in a sly service when the room is empty, but if there are other customers around then no chance of anything else but the services above.

All in All not a waste of time if can manage to get the girls number for a follow up, but certainly if you are looking for instant action.

Mash

Now that I am a member of ISG and reading reports regularly, I curse myself for not knowing ISG two years back. I curse myself for all the action I missed. Though had intension, money, and opportunity, simply I could not experience many of the exciting things just because, I don’t know where to look and what to expect.

The places described below as Le Duyen are actually called Hot Toc places or Hair Dressing Saloons. During one conversation, my friends said they visited a Saloon, where they offer extra services. I felt embarrassed to ask them the address. Though I vaguely remember the place they were referring to. On the way from An Phu to Dist 1 after you cross the Saigon bridge you reach a big round about. On the left side of the road (some where near the Chinese temple) they visited the Hot Toc. They said the ticket is 50K and extra services are 100K.

Though I was not clear of the address, I tried to find out on my own by foot. I could not locate the place. More over the area is full of locals who were very curious to see me. (They have not seen many Indians though they have seen Europeans) So I got cold feet and returned to An Phu.

Later when I enquired with my Vietnamese friend, he informed me that though there are many Hot Toc in Dist 1, as they are very visible, they don’t offer the extras. Only Hot Tocs out of Dist 1 like Tanh Binh Dist offer such service.

My advise is for you guys interested to explore Tanh Binh Dist, better go there with Vietnamese friends. If it will not help you much, at least it will make you comfortable with the knowledge that, some local friend will make the conversation for you if required.

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26-9-2008

Walked here from the backpacker area at Pham Ngu Lao.

Was quoted and paid $10 (paid in dong though) at the door.

Picked the only pretty girl. She looked hard and unhappy. An older woman who spoke English took us to the massage room. She said that a BJ would require an 800, 000 dong tip. I said I would pay 200, 000. She negotiated hard! And we finally settled on $300, 000. She wanted the money up front and I refused.

The service was not good. She gave a substandard HJ until I reminded her of the BJ. Then she gave a toothy BJ for some part of a minute. Then she went back to HJ. I coaxed about another 30 seconds of BJ from her before I just gave up.

I went downstairs and told the boss that I was not happy and wanted another girl. They gave me one, but now they wanted the money up front again. I gave them some of the money up front.

Second girl invited groping (an improvement) but she still mostly gave a HJ. At least she gave a good HJ and it was over pretty quick. Then I was hassled for a tip and refused since the experience was pretty miserable.

I do not recommend this place!

Paid about 500, 000 dong for a (mostly) handjob. Ugh!

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[QUOTE=Vkuc1]For the times you want a a proper massage without the BBBJ, HJ, haggling or disapointment. I highly recommend Ngoc Anh Massage on 31/1 Nguyen Binh Khiem Street in Dist. 1. So come from Le Duan Street, get to the Zoo entrance then turn left.

120,000 VND for an hour massage. I usually tip 100,000 VND because I think the girls are trained properly and are genuinely skilled.

You get massaged in a partitioned cubicle. Probably about 6-7 cubicles per floor. It's been the best one I have experienced in Vietnam so far. I highly recommend the hot rock massage offered at not extra cost. They offer the plastic pouches for your valuables and use a piece of paper that you sign to cover the key hole for the locker.

So a pretty professional operation and quite popular with the locals and internationals as the staff do speak English.[/QUOTE]

I found that foot massage here is much better than in China or anywhere else. You need to have a male for foot massage as female is a little bit weak and can't give enough pressure.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]26-9-2008

Walked here from the backpacker area at Pham Ngu Lao.

Was quoted and paid $10 (paid in dong though) at the door.

Picked the only pretty girl. She looked hard and unhappy. An older woman who spoke English took us to the massage room. She said that a BJ would require an 800, 000 dong tip. I said I would pay 200, 000. She negotiated hard! And we finally settled on $300, 000. She wanted the money up front and I refused.

The service was not good. She gave a substandard HJ until I reminded her of the BJ. Then she gave a toothy BJ for some part of a minute. Then she went back to HJ. I coaxed about another 30 seconds of BJ from her before I just gave up.

I went downstairs and told the boss that I was not happy and wanted another girl. They gave me one, but now they wanted the money up front again. I gave them some of the money up front.

Second girl invited groping (an improvement) but she still mostly gave a HJ. At least she gave a good HJ and it was over pretty quick. Then I was hassled for a tip and refused since the experience was pretty miserable.

I do not recommend this place!

Paid about 500, 000 dong for a (mostly) handjob. Ugh!

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Backpack areas like this are for, may I say, "cheap" foreigners (backpack means "ba lo" in Vetnamese and it has a notorious meaning for being cheap). So coming to these places you normally don't get good service. I always avoid them but understand that you guys don't have time and resources to find out better places. To us, Vietkieu, probably the best place is in coffee shops if you know nobody in VN.

I was staying in Rex, . And when I came out out of the hotel today a cyclo driver came running back shouted boom boom. Since I wasnt keen, he took me to a massage place in the Rang Dong hotel 1st floor (see their website for more details). Its a decent place. I paid just 150000 Dongs for 1 hour excellent massage. The lady was also cute looking. Finally towards end megotiated 200k for the oily HJ. The cyclo driver was waiting for me outside and took me back to rex I paid him 50k. Overall very good.

[QUOTE=Milkweed]26-9-2008

Walked here from the backpacker area at Pham Ngu Lao.

I do not recommend this place!

Paid about 500, 000 dong for a (mostly) handjob. Ugh!

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The place you mentioned, the only place I know of on Ly Thai To, has been known to rip off foreigners. I don't think paying more gets you any better service. Just try to act like you know what you're doing and what to expect.

Lets see if this form will correct some out of control attitudes.

I really need it translated into Vietnamese - I figure greedy girls need a reverse lesson . I printing some out now for D1.

It lost formatting - not sure how to add a word form to this post, but here goes:-

Performance Evaluation

Masseuse

Employee’s Name: Girl Number: Date: Time:
I. Customer Liaison
Needs Does Not
Evaluation of Performance Outstanding Satisfactory Improvement Meet

A. Overall, pleasing customer service 0 0 0 0

B. Does not destroy the mood by aggressive
tip pleading and whining. 0 0 0 0

C. Does not lie or try to rip off foreigners 0 0 0 0

D. Provides full service at a normal price
when client calls their bluff. 0 0 0 0

E. Awareness that an unhappy client
costs the business and employer money 0 0 0 0
And trade and repeat business.

F. Performs other duties as 0 0 0 0
appropriate and/or directed

II. Interpersonal Relations and Communication
Needs Does Not
Evaluation of Performance Outstanding Satisfactory Improvement Meet

A. Creates an inviting and 0 0 0 0
professional atmosphere

B. Maintains a cordial and effective 0 0 0 0
relationship with customers

C. Demonstrates courtesy and 0 0 0 0
Professionalism in all communications

D. Maintains appropriate and effective 0 0 0 0
communications with co-workers,
management and clients.

III. Value to the Business and Employer

Evaluation of Performance Outstanding Satisfactory Improvement Meet

A. Normal Massage Ability. 0 0 0 0

B. Special Massage Ability and skill 0 0 0 0

C. Meets or exceeds all customer expectations 0 0 0 0

D. Demonstrates initiative and 0 0 0 0
good judgment

E. Client unconditionally happy and says
coming back and will recommend to friends 0 0 0 0

IV. Client Exit Report

Evaluation of Performance Tick or Mark as appropriate

A. Very happy, will come back. 0

B. Very unhappy, will try another establishment
or may not come back. 0

C. Employee did a poor service and tried to
cut my throat (Rip off / Overcharge) 0

D. Employee decided to hurt the business
By providing substandard service at an
Excessive price even after being caught out. 0

E. Employee has no idea what a tip is and
that it must be earned, not extorted, treated
client as a walking ATM 0

F. Employee is perfect and an asset to
the business and clients. 0

G. Management needs to talk to the employee
If she tries to cheat and make clients unhappy
- needs a warning. 0

H. Overall score out of 10 (Where 10 is perfect) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
- ***** Poor Average Good Excellent >
Comments:

Management Instructions:

Post this review form for employees to clearly see.
Post the form prominently so clients can fill out if they wish.
Employees with many negative comments should be allowed the chance to improve.

There should be a generous bonus for good employees who have the most number of positive reports.
I have read this evaluation.


_____________________________________ _____________________________________
Evaluator’s Signature (optional) Evaluatee’s Signature

I just posted in general info that an attractive 19 yo barhostess makes 1.2 million dong a month plus tips with food and accom throwns in (3 to a room) Divide by 17000 to convert to USD. Therefore 50,000 a DAY is about the going rate unless you have skills.