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Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?[/QUOTE]1. Wouldn't know, never tried.
2. Front desk.
3. No, but my buddy got ID'ed once cause he looks pretty young.
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.[/QUOTE]It's not an exact science and your experience may vary. I'd recommend starting with a smaller dose and seeing what it's like. The biggest problem is a possible difficulty in cumming. You may be rock hard but can't get off -- nice if you are with a girlfriend and want to rock her world, but you don't want to be pounding away when time runs out and still no pop. On the other hand, if you are a bit quick on the draw, they can help you delay cumming. If you've never needed them and don't have any problems, you may want to hold off. Towards the end of your stay after fucking 3+ times per day for a few days you may need the help.
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?[/QUOTE]I bring my own lube from home. Just ordinary water-based lube from CVS. Silicone-based lube is slipperier and doesn't dry out, but it is harder to clean up and I'm not running marathon fucking sessions so the water-based lube is fine.
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]3. Do they ID people in bars?[/QUOTE]I've never been IDed but I'm 50 so it's not an issue for me. I can't imagine them being very strict, as the drinking age is 18. Unless you look really young I don't think it would be an issue.
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?[/QUOTE]I never need sidenafil, but I like taking it when I'm walking through HK and the girls I sit a buy drinks for, will grab my rock hard jimmy and rub and tug for a bit.
I usually stop at Piri Pharmacy and get a 5 pack of Figral for $3.25. This is for 100 MG, but I usually take half of a pill and that works all night. The pharmacy is right across the wax museum. Ask for Julian, he runs s the place.
[QUOTE=BoogieDabs;2335889]2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?[/QUOTE]I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.
[QUOTE=Watnow78;2336116]I never need sidenafil, but I like taking it when I'm walking through HK and the girls I sit a buy drinks for, will grab my rock hard jimmy and rub and tug for a bit.
I usually stop at Piri Pharmacy and get a 5 pack of Figral for $3.25. This is for 100 MG, but I usually take half of a pill and that works all night. The pharmacy is right across the wax museum. Ask for Julian, he runs s the place.[/QUOTE]At age 61 Figral helps a lot. At Piri, in January, I think I paid 112 pesos for 10 of the 100 MG pills.
To BoogieDabs: The three major erectile dysfunction drugs are Viagra, Cialis & Levitra. Figral is generic Viagra, & also called Sildenafil, which is the active ingredient.
You can confirm this by looking at their boxes or websites, but I think Viagra lasts up to six hours, while Cialis & Levitra (in 20 MG top doses) last close to a day.
For me, Viagra worked the best and Cialis the worst, but it's different for different people. I agree with the suggestion that you might start with a dose of Viagra / Figral that is much smaller than its 100 MG top dose.
You can also try Maxifort. Start with 50 MG. Sometimes they'll give you a better deal on the 100 MG though. I just cut them in half.
Per a previous discussion on the forum, a scientific review of commercial sex lubes and coconut oil was done. Due to the chemicals used in commercial sex lubes, the infection rate of STDs was much higher since commercial lubes increased the skin porosity. Coconut oil, on the hand, reduced STD infection rates by a factor of approximately 10 times since it destroys the outer layer of germs and viruses. The downside of coconut oil is that you cannot use latex condoms but must buy non-latex, such as SKYN brand. Liquid coconut oil is available in Walmart in a large bottle for around $6. For more info, RTFF.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2336130]I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2336130]I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart.[/QUOTE]I agree that Astroglide is great stuff, but I've had problems with the bottles leaking while I carry them in my picked. This has happened with more than 1 bottle.
To me, KY Liquid is almost identical and I've never had a bottle leak in my pocket.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2336513]I agree that Astroglide is great stuff, but I've had problems with the bottles leaking while I carry them in my picked. This has happened with more than 1 bottle.
To me, KY Liquid is almost identical and I've never had a bottle leak in my pocket.[/QUOTE]The lube in a condom size package for $1 from the front desk is my favorite. I just cannot find them in any store to buy in bulk.
Dr. Miguel Gonzalez, ". . . Conventional management includes antiviral medication such as acyclovir or famcyclovir, however, these drugs are not eradicating the virus, but rather improving the symptoms. On the other hand, natural supplements such as coconut oil have been shown to have the ability to actually destroy the herpes virus, and also prevent secondary bacterial or fungal herpes infections.
Monocaprin, one of the monoglycerides of capric acid and lauric acid, were found to be the most active of all the lipids tested, causing a greater than 100,000 fold reduction in the virus (HSV type 1) titer in 1 minute at a concentration of 20 mM, is the result of a study featured in October 1999 in "Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences", and conducted by a team of researchers from the University of Iceland, Reykjavik. Based on this study, the authors suggested a topical gel be developed having capric acid and lauric acid as active ingredients to be used for preventing sexually transmitted diseases such as herpes virus, HIV, gonorrhea and Chlamydia. . . ".
[URL]http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/avoid-secondary-herpes-infections-with-coconut-oil/[/URL]
If you do not want to wait 10 years for a topical gel to be developed, suggest you avoid Astroglide and purchase liquid coconut oil to use as your lube at Walmart. Unless you prefer to run the risk of herpes, HIV and other STDs. If you use coconut oil, avoid latex condoms and purchase non-latex, such as SKYN brand. Previous postings on this topic on this site.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2336130]I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2336541]The lube in a condom size package for $1 from the front desk is my favorite. I just cannot find them in any store to buy in bulk.[/QUOTE]Amazon sells the individual packets of Astroglide.
[QUOTE=Kwalinsanjo;2337858]Amazon sells the individual packets of Astroglide.[/QUOTE]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NZ9K81E/
I am hoping to get full testing when I visit Tijuana. I periodically do anonymous testing in us. This time, I will be there for 5 days in Tijuana.
Any suggestions on clinics, time it takes to get the results, prices etc.
[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2348750]I am hoping to get full testing when I visit Tijuana. I periodically do anonymous testing in us. This time, I will be there for 5 days in Tijuana.
Any suggestions on clinics, time it takes to get the results, prices etc.[/QUOTE]Why are you getting tested? Don't want to give a chica any stds? Hiv can lay dorment for up to 6 months. You may think you're cleqn, but you may not be.
What you should do, for your protection, is get tested, after, and again, 6 months later.
I do, periodic checks. Looking for suggestion. I will be going to Tijuana from 14th to 17 next week.
Appreciate any suggestion for clinics who can quick comprehensive tests.
[QUOTE=Basketball101;2348836]Why are you getting tested? Don't want to give a chica any stds? Hiv can lay dorment for up to 6 months. You may think you're cleqn, but you may not be.
What you should do, for your protection, is get tested, after, and again, 6 months later.[/QUOTE]
Blvd. Sánchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies.
Promotion: ETS PLUS $ 2,500 pesos.
[URL]https://www.lab-express.com.mx/promociones[/URL]
Lab has one or two parking spots, so best to take UBER unless you are willing to drive around looking for parking.
[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2356391]I do, periodic checks. Looking for suggestion. I will be going to Tijuana from 14th to 17 next week.
Appreciate any suggestion for clinics who can quick comprehensive tests.[/QUOTE]
Quest Mexico has a lab in Tijuana.
[QUOTE=Travv;2358542]Blvd. Snchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies..[/QUOTE]
Will they need an ID or can you just walk in and request for the Service?
[QUOTE=Travv;2358542]Blvd. Snchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies.
Promotion: ETS PLUS $ 2,500 pesos.
[URL]https://www.lab-express.com.mx/promociones[/URL]
Lab has one or two parking spots, so best to take UBER unless you are willing to drive around looking for parking.[/QUOTE]
Walk in service. Tell them what you want in Spanish or show them what you want (ETS aka STD test) on your cell phone from their ad. I waited about 5 minutes in the waiting area til a nurse took me into a side room for the blood draw. They will need your email address to send you the results and pesos to pay. No ID required.
[QUOTE=ViceVox;2358738]Will they need an ID or can you just walk in and request for the Service?[/QUOTE]
Anyone know what the card or book looks like that the girls are supposed to have updated showing they have been tested for STD's?
I asked a Peradita and she didn't understand what I was asking. As I wasn't saying it in Spanish. Is it a card or?? I googled it but just saw some old stories from years ago about what the girls used and curious now what it looks like if a girl was to show it to me?
[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=tijuana[/URL]+health+card+prostitution&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0 ahUKEwi-yrrTjZblAhXqFTQIHewlDOgQ_AUIEygC&biw=1624&bih=832&dpr=1. 1#imgrc=L1 aJIHqSMSrszM:
Most STD test is free from primary doctors if you are already seeing them for something else, so unlikely to have an additional copay. I just use free walk in clinic next o the old town Transit center. It's very clean office despite being on San Diego skid row. HIV test is free others are not free. They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2380466]They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.[/QUOTE]I prefer the look of intense disgust on the nurse's face when I answer that question truthfully during verbal questioning at the free clinic in Santa Ana.
If you go to Zona Norte once a week do you have a sexual addiction?
I guess if going there starts screwing up your regular life then it's a bit of a warning message you (or I). Need to listen to.
I went once every two months or so for the last year. Then started going down there every couple weeks.
Can I help it if I like to take the ultimate break from the regular stressful life that we all at times live in the USA. Yes. We have our higher income. But also to match higher prices for everything. Work stress. Relationship stress. Expectations of family's.
Suicide Rate in USA is twice that of Mexico. 4. 4 per 100,000 compared to 10.1 in the good old USA.
Life is good so no worries at this point in my world but just wanted to share the perspective of Zona Norte.
If I went to Disneyland once every couple weeks I would be really board with it quickly I would think. But not Zona Norte. The dynamics of the experiences with the girls and ambiance of the places down there just keeps giving.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2380466]Most STD test is free from primary doctors if you are already seeing them for something else, so unlikely to have an additional copay. I just use free walk in clinic next o the old town Transit center. It's very clean office despite being on San Diego skid row. HIV test is free others are not free. They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.[/QUOTE]Exactly where is this free clinic near the old town Transit center?
[QUOTE=Goyo61;2385980]If you go to Zona Norte once a week do you have a sexual addiction?
I guess if going there starts screwing up your regular life then it's a bit of a warning message you (or I). Need to listen to.
I went once every two months or so for the last year. Then started going down there every couple weeks.
Can I help it if I like to take the ultimate break from the regular stressful life that we all at times live in the USA. Yes. We have our higher income. But also to match higher prices for everything. Work stress. Relationship stress. Expectations of family's.
Suicide Rate in USA is twice that of Mexico. 4. 4 per 100,000 compared to 10.1 in the good old USA.
Life is good so no worries at this point in my world but just wanted to share the perspective of Zona Norte.
If I went to Disneyland once every couple weeks I would be really board with it quickly I would think. But not Zona Norte. The dynamics of the experiences with the girls and ambiance of the places down there just keeps giving.[/QUOTE]Once a week to get laid is not a lot. Hopefully you get some free sex at times also. TO me, when dating, I was never going to marry any girl who didn't want sex 6 days a week. So sex almost every day. That's not that unreasonable, a third of the woman I dated needed sex every day anyway. So to me, its normal and healthy.
Once a week? Sometimes I've gone more than once in a day. The customs agents say, You again? I say, Yeah olvide algo. I choose to go a few times per week, but it's just a passion, not an addiction.
Addiction is the word for the junkie zombies wandering through SoCal. Meth is death. Opiates are a black hole.
ZN mongers are sex enthusiasts with powerful libidos. Viva el deseo!
If they tried to make me go to sex rehab, I'd say, "no, no, no".
LOL. He really said "You again" . That is a riot!
I got done with a tour with friends to Ensenada on Sunday and crossed back over to US side. Thought I was so close to Zona Norte I may as well go back for couple hours of fun. What I love is from the bridge over I 5 on the US side you can see Casadas Hotel right there. You can touch it.
[QUOTE=SenorTJ;2386341]Once a week? Sometimes I've gone more than once in a day. The customs agents say, You again? I say, Yeah olvide algo. I choose to go a few times per week, but it's just a passion, not an addiction.
Addiction is the word for the junkie zombies wandering through SoCal. Meth is death. Opiates are a black hole.
ZN mongers are sex enthusiasts with powerful libidos. Viva el deseo!
If they tried to make me go to sex rehab, I'd say, "no, no, no".[/QUOTE]
Was in Tijuana last Sunday night for couple hours and connected up with Sofia in the alley behind HK. Went to Cascadas hotel instead of the regular room she goes to and had some sexo. I couldn't finish off so she started giving me BJ being the sweet girl she is trying to make me happy-as-can-be. Still no luck so were kissing a bit and I didn't realize until later. I was in her with the condom. Then she is giving me a BJ with the condom on. Then I am kissing her after her mouth was all over the condom which was inside her.
At this rate god knows what I will pick up with great decision making like that!
Anyway. At least I realized it later and won't pull that move again I hope.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=Goyo61;2389765]Was in Tijuana last Sunday night for couple hours and connected up with Sofia in the alley behind HK. Went to Cascadas hotel instead of the regular room she goes to and had some sexo. I couldn't finish off so she started giving me BJ being the sweet girl she is trying to make me happy-as-can-be. Still no luck so were kissing a bit and I didn't realize until later. I was in her with the condom. Then she is giving me a BJ with the condom on. Then I am kissing her after her mouth was all over the condom which was inside her.
At this rate god knows what I will pick up with great decision making like that!
Anyway. At least I realized it later and won't pull that move again I hope.
Goyo.[/QUOTE]Sometime in June I was with a chica in Tropicals. The chemistry was absolutely amazing. Took her upstairs and she went bareback on me before I could stop her. I said fuck it. I'm already in her and she is not a regular. What can go wrong? Turns out she just started her menstrual cycle, and I was covered in blood. Anyways the comprehensive tests, the PEP treatment against possible HIV exposure totaled about $1,300 with my insurance picking up about $1,100 leaving my out of pocket cost to be about $200. That was nothing compared to the fucking anxiety and 4 weeks of celibacy during PEP treatment.
Perhaps she wasn't on her period and she was just a virgin. Haha. Guess not funny due to PEP treatment!
Have not had any blood with chicka yet. Planning on going this Sunday so looking forward to a few hours or mongering in the afternoon.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2390484]Sometime in June I was with a chica in Tropicals. The chemistry was absolutely amazing. Took her upstairs and she went bareback on me before I could stop her. I said fuck it. I'm already in her and she is not a regular. What can go wrong? Turns out she just started her menstrual cycle, and I was covered in blood. Anyways the comprehensive tests, the PEP treatment against possible HIV exposure totaled about $1,300 with my insurance picking up about $1,100 leaving my out of pocket cost to be about $200. That was nothing compared to the fucking anxiety and 4 weeks of celibacy during PEP treatment.[/QUOTE]
Really?! I have so much sex in Tijuana that I'm exhausted! Link to article here [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/[/URL]#comments-wrapper.
Very interesting article.
What's crazy is if even half of these guys knew how easy it was and relatively safe to go to Tijuana they would be getting laid much more often!
Instead they spend $1000 for a flight to Thailand to enjoy when they could have had 3 trips to Tijuana!
Goyo.
[QUOTE=StRobert;2417718]Really?! I have so much sex in Tijuana that I'm exhausted! Link to article here [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/[/URL]#comments-wrapper.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goyo61;2418322]Very interesting article.
What's crazy is if even half of these guys knew how easy it was and relatively safe to go to Tijuana they would be getting laid much more often!
Instead they spend $1000 for a flight to Thailand to enjoy when they could have had 3 trips to Tijuana!
Goyo.[/QUOTE]Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2418486]Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.[/QUOTE]Yep. Last year HK prices were $60. Now it's $100. Too many insensitive tourists fucking up the prices for the rest of us by tossing out $100 bills. Fine. They can do their own fucking recon since they're so rich. With a little luck, a rich tourist will be kidnap and his thumb will be chop off as proof of life for a ransom.
If you are a rich tourist, Tijuana is completely safe. Remember to wander away from the main clubs especially at night. Flash your big bills, the natives will love you for it.
LuvMex. You know that is very interesting what you say. Anthony Bourdain and a food writer for LOS Angeles both have mentioned how some of the great local places they knew got totally messed up by popularity. Anthony Bourdain.
If Zona Norte exploded with tourists. What affect would that have? Very good question. Some good. Some bad. Look what is happening to the red light district in Amsterdam. Due to the popularity there is talk of changing it totally. Perhaps moving it out of the downtown area.
Prices could totally go up to $150 or $200 for girls. SG / Peridita's charging $80 a pop. Frikin. $40 a lap dance. $20 to buy a girl a drink. Arg.
The SG I love. When I first approached her in the Alley behind HK. She wanted $20 for a fuck. Unbelievable. Starts to sound like hookers in Greece charging the price of a sandwich for a fuck. $10.
Long live zona norte. My lips are sealed.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2418486]Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.[/QUOTE]
Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".
[QUOTE=Travv;2432330]Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".[/QUOTE]Knowing HK meseros, they will likely use a rectal thermostat, then forget to clean them after each use, then take $5 bribes to let a tourist with a fever through. We're talking HK employees here. They only thing they've ever been trained in is scamming drunken guests while pimping out the new chicas.
Italian, Iranian, South Korea, EU and others should consider the Chinese currency measures to prevent the spread of COVID 19. Chinese are the current prevention leader.
[QUOTE=Travv;2432330]Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".[/QUOTE]
Coronavirus is in mexico with cruise ship Grand Princess visiting 4 ports with known infected persons. Mexico is just too hungry to care, too slow to find and too dishonest to report it. You can see how fast and deadly the virus can spread given the cramp, squalid living conditions with lots of migrants and homeless people in border towns like Tijuana.
Don't expect any coronavirus reports, honest or not, from either Mexico's government or the press.
Soon there will be infections in Tijuana and you would never know or heard from anyone. This is why the girls refuse deep kissing all along. Lots of bacteria and virus are passed from mouth to mouth. Guys also like to suck the girls' culo. They can get infections that way too.
Perhaps it would be prudent to stop going to Tijuana for a few weeks and monitor the news about this virus situation. Meanwhile do cybersex with your favoritas until it's safe to drag your dick to La Zona. Post any news for the benefits of horny bros with raging hard ONS.
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-07/as-mexico-plays-down-chance-grand-princess-spread-coronavirus-questions-multiply[/URL]
Mexico plays down chance that Grand Princess spread coronavirus, but questions multiply.
At the docks in Cabo San Lucas, a sign reads: "South Baja California is free of coronavirus and that's how we want to stay!" Lituania Casena Guerena, 18, works greeting cruise ship visitors, but was only told to start wearing gloves a week ago.
At the docks in Cabo San Lucas, a sign reads: "South Baja California is free of coronavirus and that's how we want to stay!" Lituania Casena Guerena, 18, works greeting cruise ship visitors, but was only told to start wearing gloves a week ago. (Carolyn Cole / LOS Angeles Times).
By SUSANNE Rust, PATRICK J. MCDONNELL, ANITA CHABRIA.
March 7, 20203:26 PM.
CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico — Posters and official fliers in this coastal tourist hot spot seek to allay concerns about the fast-spreading global health menace that has left victims from China to Italy to California.
"Baja California Sur is coronavirus free and that's how we want to stay!" proclaims one sign.
But even though officials here say Baja has so far avoided the COVID-19 contagion, questions have been raised about whether passengers on the Grand Princess, a cruise ship with several infected crew members and passengers, could have either picked up or spread the coronavirus when it visited Cabo and three other Mexican Pacific ports during a Feb. 11-21 trip from San Francisco.
On Saturday, a cruise line official reported that one 75-year-old California passenger, who later died of the virus, was infected before boarding the ship on Feb. 11, and was sick several days before the boat returned to San Francisco on Feb. 21.
According to Dr. Grant Tarling, the cruise's medical officer, the Placer County man didn't visit the ship's doctor until Feb. 20, but started exhibiting symptoms as early as Feb. 13. That was before the vessel made its first Mexican port stop, Feb. 16 in Puerto Vallarta. It went on to visit Manzanillo that same day, stopped in Mazatlan on Feb. 17, then anchored in Cabo San Lucas on Feb. 19.
Route of the Grand Princess (Thomas Suh Lauder / LOS Angeles Times).
Complicating matters, Placer County health officials have disputed Tarling's information, saying the diseased man "likely contracted the disease during international travel to Mexico," which could mean he contracted it on the boat or during a shore visit.
It is not publicly known if he departed the boat at any stops. What is known is that many passengers on the Grand Princess made shore visits at each port, according to persons who were part of the trip.
During its layovers at Mexican ports, "literally hundreds" of people left the ship for shore excursions, said a source on the vessel who asked not to be named for privacy reasons.
"Passengers really penetrate the port towns," said *** Soloman, who traveled on the Mexican voyage with his wife. "For example, in Mazatlan, tours take them to the central market, cathedral and historic theater. ".
For their part, Mexican authorities have said they have found no indication that anyone who disembarked from the Grand Princess last month spread the virus — or contracted it in Mexico.
Mexico has confirmed a total of six cases of the coronavirus, although none in the state of Baja California Sur. All six cases, Mexican authorities say, are people who recently traveled to Italy, site of a major outbreak.
All the affected individuals in Mexico have exhibited minor symptoms, health authorities say, and none have been linked to the international cruise ships that frequent the country's ports.
Yet as the Grand Princess remains held off the coast of San Francisco, the international inquiry into its current and previous passengers is just getting started. As of Friday, at least 21 people on board, including 2 passengers and 19 crew members, had tested positive, according to federal and state authorities.
After departing Mexico, the cruise ship returned to San Francisco on Feb. 21 and then departed for a trip to Hawaii. Tarling, chief medical officer for Princess Cruises, said 70 people remained on board for the Hawaii portion of the cruise.
On Friday, authorities in Hawaii confirmed that the state's first case of the coronavirus involved a man who had been a passenger on the Grand Princess during its Mexico leg. He fell ill after flying home to Oahu from Mexico, but did not exhibit symptoms of the disease during that flight.
In Mexico, authorities say they have a health protocol in place mandating that cruise lines advise Mexican authorities in advance of any illnesses aboard ships. Passengers and crew members are only allowed to disembark once authorities review ships' health logs, confirm the information and determine there is no threat to people on shore, Mexican officials say.
No one from the Grand Princess during its Mexico tour "presented symptoms that could have put in danger the population," Dr. Rafael Félix Espinoza, chief health officer in Mexico's Sinaloa state, said in a statement.
Among the Grand Princess' four stops in Mexico was a 10-hour call in Mazatláand, Sinaloa state.
Prior to Saturday's reports, Mexican authorities downplayed the possibility that the Placer County man displayed symptoms of the coronavirus while the ship was visiting Mexico.
"Because of the time of incubation of the virus, it is very improbable that the patient had the virus during his time in Mexican ports," Felix Espinoza said.
In a separate case, Mexican authorities late last month allowed passengers and crew from another cruise ship — the MSC Meraviglia — to disembark in Cozumel, on the Caribbean coast, after the boat had been turned away from ports in Jamaica and Grand Cayman amid fears of a coronavirus outbreak. In that case, Mexican health authorities said tests determined that no one on board had contracted the coronavirus.
"We cannot act with discrimination," Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador told reporters when asked about the case of the MSC Meraviglia. "Imagine if a ship arrived and it wasn't even allowed to dock, and they were told, 'Keep going on your way, see where you can dock. ' That is inhuman. "
On a recent afternoon in Cabo San Lucas, not a mask was could be seen on tourists and tour operators shouted greetings, shook hands and jostled the arms and shoulders of visitors.
"We're not worried," said Tommy Wright, 67, of Tulsa, Oklahoma, who noted that he and his wife, Susan, come to Cabo a few times a year to fish and relax. "It's a virus. . Take a look at the flu. That kills thousands of people every year. This doesn't even come close. "
The city's health director, Adam Monroy, said the process for investigating and containing viral threats is robust.
"This is not new," he said referring to procedures that date from the 2009 outbreak of the H1 N1 virus, or swine flu. "Our protocols work. "
Any decline in cruise ship visits could have economic implications in Mexico, which is heavily dependent on tourism.
Last year, according to official figures, 2,951 cruise ships stopped at Mexican ports, carrying almost 9 million passengers, an increase of 13.5% compared to the previous year. Cabo San Lucas hosted 204 cruise ships in 2019 with more than 500,000 passengers.
Fatima Miranda Cortés, director of tourism and economy for Cabo San Lucas, said her team has been working hard to inform people about the virus.
Last week, two residents were tested after displaying symptoms of illness after returning from Japan. According to state authorities, the results were negative.
Nonetheless, she said, the city has already taken a big economic hit as a result of coronavirus concerns.
Cruise ship reservations, she said, have dropped by 20-30%. Spring break — between March 1 and March 30 — is generally the busiest time, she said, with roughly 30 cruise ships coming into port during that period.
"So, things could get worse as the month goes on," she said.
Despite the general lack of alarm here about the virus, some visitors have been taking extra precautions.
"We heard it was safe here," said Naomi Alcazar, 40, who was visiting from Oxnard. "They said there's no coronavirus. But, we're still putting Clorox on everything. On the airplane. Everywhere. "
Her friend, Elva Rizzie, also from Oxnard, however, seemed less than pleased to be talking about it.
"I don't want to hear it," she said. "Go away. "
Staff writer Rust reported from Baja California, McDonnell from Mexico City and Chabria from Sacramento. Special correspondent Cecilia Sánchez in Mexico City contributed to this report.
Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. At the very least, everyone should monitor their temperature if they feel *funny*. Early treatment is the key to survival.
In plain English, no chica will want to suck your dick if you look like you have the Corona Virus, so do what you must to avoid it.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2432748]Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. At the very least, everyone should monitor their temperature if they feel *funny*. Early treatment is the key to survival.
In plain English, no chica will want to suck your dick if you look like you have the Corona Virus, so do what you must to avoid it.[/QUOTE]Ha! I actually laughed out loud when I read "Corona Dick".
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2432748]Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. [/QUOTE]I'm going to take this advice to heart and only fuck & get blow jobs from walkers. Hell some of them spend 23 hours a day holed up indoor were they live and make as little as only one tightly measured visit outside.
And these walkers are spending most of their day in close contact only with their novios / esposos. And a lot of these boyfriends / husbands also spend little time with other people, since a significant portion of them are allergic to work.
Can you imagine the first gringo that gets corona having to explain details and field day the media would have with it. "First I had 2 free beers at hk, made out with two hk twins, at the bar, idk their names, then an adelitas chick I took upstairs for everything, I think her name might have been rose, then. I got drunk at a near by bar, on 2 dollar margaritas, it was crowded, idk the name, wandered into streets for a street girl, she was short thick, didn't give me her name, she wouldn't do BBBJ but her anal was amazing, so wandered some more for a trans girl who spoke no english but she had nice legs, then ate $5 dollar steak at azuls and banged one more hk girl for my nightcap who also never gave me her name". This gets out to media tijuana will be flooded with mongers in no time.
Dodger is right.
Millions big swinging dicks would risk the black virus death, rain big money on chicas and screw up the system for us. I got so many chicas jack prices on me lately, it's not funny.
Let them hear about the robbing policias, rateros' choke holds, cartels guys who kidnap and torture mongers for ransoms, chicas who steal wallets and spread STDs and coronavirus.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2432889]Can you imagine the first gringo that gets corona having to explain details and field day the media would have with it. "First I had 2 free beers at hk, made out with two hk twins, at the bar, idk their names, then an adelitas chick I took upstairs for everything, I think her name might have been rose, then. I got drunk at a near by bar, on 2 dollar margaritas, it was crowded, idk the name, wandered into streets for a street girl, she was short thick, didn't give me her name, she wouldn't do BBBJ but her anal was amazing, so wandered some more for a trans girl who spoke no english but she had nice legs, then ate $5 dollar steak at azuls and banged one more hk girl for my nightcap who also never gave me her name". This gets out to media tijuana will be flooded with mongers in no time.[/QUOTE]Nooooo, the explanation is that I was in Zona Norte to go to Catedral Metropolitana de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe. It was crowded and services were long and then I came home. I only touched the robe of the Virgin.
All of the So Cal Universities and colleges are shutting their campuses down. UCSD, SUSD is locking down. UCLA is done. Should I stock up on my favorite premium condoms? Fucking hand sanitizers sold out. Masks are gone. Thermometers also sold out. Who just upgrade the virus to a pandemic. Hope my favorite chicas are OK. I'm putting aside some money from my budget in case they need help. Tijuana is poor. Chicas are even poorer and the most vulnerable.
I was in Tijuana earlier this week. They seem completely oblivious. If the Corona hits them, they're going down fast.
Well Rancher,
Your wife would immediately know.
You smell like you had your hand up many HK's culos and your face in many wet crotches.
Jackie,
This week your Tijuana sweethearts are secretly breeding coronavirus and venereal bacteria, waiting just for you.
"There are two hotspots in the world for coronavirus infections: Wuhan, China (Hubei Province) and Italy. Both of these geographic areas were grappling with tuberculosis outbreaks prior to the eruption of the mutated COVID-19 coronavirus. Strangely, coronavirus appears to spread to the rest of the world from these hotspots via airplane travel. But the infection remains in those infected and may spread within a household, but not into the community. Other geographical outbreaks must be questioned as there are too many false positive tests to confirm COVID-19 coronavirus, which at this point in time may be nothing more than a passenger virus that accompanies tubercular infections. . .
In a prior report I cited the pre-coronavirus outbreak of tuberculosis in Wuhan China coupled with culling and incineration of herds of pigs infected with African swine flu that created aerosolized pig waste particles that infected humans with a Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Tuberculosis is largely a lung disease that kills 1. 7 million humans annually. TB may be the origin of this deadly infection as normally coronavirus produces mild infections. Tuberculosis fills the lungs with fluid and the patient drowns in their own secretions. That is what is happening in Wuhan.
Of interest, most cases (70%) of TB in the USA Emanate from immigrants who travel to the USA Or who are foreign born and acquired TB years ago, only for latent TB to erupt into symptomatic disease when the immune system could no longer keep it in check. Are reported cases of COVID-19 in the USA Occult tuberculosis? . Cough is a major symptom of COVID-19. Coughs are often caused by excess mucus in the bronchus, an airway to the lungs. In Italy swelling and narrowing of the bronchus with excess mucus (bronchiectasis) was detected among 52% of COVID-19 cases examined by chest x-ray. However, bronchiectasis is a finding that is far more common (8 X) among patients in Italy with a history of tuberculosis (0. 47% versus 0. 06%) than other lung infections. . .
Full article: [URL]https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/italy-is-second-country-with-coronavirus-outbreak-preceded-by-a-tuberculosis-epidemic/[/URL].
Different theory why this outbreak is worrysome. TB aka The White Death is involved.
Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2433102]All of the So Cal Universities and colleges are shutting their campuses down. UCSD, SUSD is locking down. UCLA is done. Should I stock up on my favorite premium condoms? Fucking hand sanitizers sold out. Masks are gone. Thermometers also sold out. Who just upgrade the virus to a pandemic. Hope my favorite chicas are OK. I'm putting aside some money from my budget in case they need help. Tijuana is poor. Chicas are even poorer and the most vulnerable.
I was in Tijuana earlier this week. They seem completely oblivious. If the Corona hits them, they're going down fast.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travv;2433390]Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.[/QUOTE]Oh fuck!
The chicas aren't going to die.
We're going to die!
[QUOTE=Travv;2433322]Full article: [URL]https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/italy-is-second-country-with-coronavirus-outbreak-preceded-by-a-tuberculosis-epidemic/[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no.
[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/[/URL]
"Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. ".
[QUOTE]Analysis / Bias
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes conspiracies, pseudoscience and fringe economic theories. Lew Rockwell uses minimal loaded words in their headlines and articles, but they typically source to far right or questionable sources such as Brietbart, Zerohedge and the #1 purveyor of pseudoscience Joseph Mercola. Some of the topics you will find on the website are those related to anti-vaccination propaganda, Mind Control, False Flags, and anti-immigration articles from other questionable sources. Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the Hatewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A factual search also reveals that Lew Rockwell has a very poor track record with fact checkers. For more information I recommend, [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell]RationalWiki[/url] who has done a fantastic job of putting all of it together.[/QUOTE]
With EU lock down for 30 days March 13 - April 14?
Who is next?
Mexico. No mass testing available yet.
Will Mexico be next.
[QUOTE=Travv;2433390]Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.[/QUOTE]
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes a libertarian point of view that is "anti-state•anti-war•pro-market" The latest article on the Coronavirus has good news: Virus Fearmongerers Prevail by Bill Sardi.
"Lockdowns, Quarantines, Travel Restrictions Are All That Politicians Have To Quell An Infection That Is Far Less Deadly Than The Seasonal Flu. Politicians Are Misled By Health Authorities Who Fail To Inform Better Than 9 In 10 Have Mild Or No Symptoms & Will Not Require Future Vaccination".
[URL]https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/virus-fearmongerers-prevail/[/URL]
Per a critics attack:
" Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the Hatewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. . . " Here is the [URL]LewRockwell.com[/URL] response: "Evil SPLC Implodes" President And Legal Director Resign Amid Sexual Misconduct Scandal. "A week after co-founder Morris Dees was ousted over sexual misconduct claims. With two dozen employees signing a letter of concern over "allegations of mistreatment, sexual harassment, gender discrimination, and racism," the head of the SPLC, Richard Cohen, as well as the organization's legal director, Rhonda Brownstein, resigned on Friday. . . " [URL]Zerohedge.com[/URL] Citing sources like the SPLC to condemn the libertarian website of LewRockwell after mass resignations of the SPLC leadership for misconduct seems irresponsible to me.
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2433522]Yeah, no.
[URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/[/URL]
"Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. ".[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck would anyone go to a political site to get facts on a pandemic? WTF? Stick with the who and the CDC. Alternatively use equivalent international health professionals.
[QUOTE=Travv;2433568]Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes a libertarian point of view that is "anti-stateanti-warpro-market" The latest article on the Coronavirus has good news: Virus Fearmongerers Prevail by Bill Sardi.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't trust a word written by this website. They have their own agenda to push, and therefore aren't credible.
Best to stick with factual based info coming from medical and scientific community. Such as John Hopkins University and others. Not some junky "libertarian" website pushing their political agenda.
[QUOTE=Ctytek;2433685]I wouldn't trust a word written by this website. They have their own agenda to push, and therefore aren't credible.
Best to stick with factual based info coming from medical and scientific community. Such as John Hopkins University and others. Not some junky "libertarian" website pushing their political agenda.[/QUOTE]Please guys. The only credible sources right now is straight from the CDC and WHO. I've seen so much misinformation spread around social media. NPR, academic health websites and such are fine but they are still second hand information. So keep that in mind.
[URL]https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/6-travelers-to-italy-from-mexicali-tijuana-appear-to-have-coronavirus/[/URL]
BORDER REPORT.
By: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Mar 4, 2020/10:50 PM PST / Updated: Mar 4, 2020/10:54 PM PST.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — Baja California's Health Department is reporting six suspected cases of the coronavirus in the state: four in Mexicali and two in Tijuana.
Both cities are just south of the USA -Mexico border. Baja health officials say they are waiting lab results for the six people in question. Four people are from Mexicali — three women ages 51,28 and 24 and a 25-year old man. The two other cases involve a 40-year-old woman and a 56-year-old man from Tijuana.
All six people traveled to northern Italy recently and have exhibited symptoms of a respiratory illness. There have been 107 deaths attributed to the coronavirus from a reported 3,089 cases in Italy.
People in Baja are being asked to remain calm and to continue using preventive measures such as hand washing and / or applying anti-bacteria gel that is at least 70% alcohol based. When sneezing, it's recommended to cover your mouth with forearm. It is also suggested people avoid touching their faces if hands have not been washed and to avoid touching their face, nose and eyes.
[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/mexico-s-low-coronavirus-count-spurs-doubts-about-testing-level[/URL]
Mexico's Low Coronavirus Count Spurs Doubts On Testing Rate.
By Andrea Navarro.
March 11,2020, 12:40 PM PDT Updated on March 11,2020, 10:17 PM PDT.
Twelve cases confirmed nationwide since first on Feb. 28.
Mexico's low, barely budging count of confirmed coronavirus cases is raising concern about the adequacy of testing in the country and whether the government is doing enough to prepare for an epidemic.
As of Tuesday, only eight cases of Covid-19 had been confirmed since the first was reported Feb. 28 and Mexico was monitoring 37 possible cases. By comparison, Brazil, where the first case was confirmed two days before Mexico's, confirmed 37 cases and suspected another 876.
On Wednesday evening, Mexico's Health Ministry said the number of confirmed cases had reached 12.
2020-wuhan-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-inline.
Earlier in the day, the outbreak was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, as worldwide cases topped 120,000 and deaths exceeded 4,300. Countries still have a chance to alter the course of the pandemic, the WHO said, urging governments to step up containment efforts through testing, tracing and isolating.
As of Tuesday night, the Mexican Health Ministry said it had performed 278 tests.
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"I'm worried about the lack of diagnostic testing," said Francisco Moreno, infectious disease specialist and head of Internal Medicine at ABC Hospital in Mexico City. "If Mexico has undetected cases circulating, the spread of the disease is going to be brutal. ".
Mexico has largely decided against implementing containment efforts. Airports aren't widely screening travelers from countries with high numbers of cases and no big government events have been canceled. Those working from home are doing so mainly according to region-wide policies from their multinational corporate employers.
Mexico Is Prepared: AMLO.
"We have the best experts on the matter," President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Wednesday at his morning press conference. "We still have the same number of cases and luckily there's been no loss of life. We're not hiding information from the population. ".
Jean-Marc Gabastou, adviser in emergency health for the Pan-American Health Organization / World Health Organization said at a Mexican Health Ministry press conference on Wednesday evening that the country was among the first to implement diagnostic capacity in each of its 32 states, with a total of 40 laboratories. "This country has always been one step ahead," he said.
Cases in South Korea, where almost 200,000 tests have been performed, had shown signs of slowing before a new cluster of cases this week raised fears of another flare-up. The country has been testing people at the fastest pace in the world, which appears to have enabled early detection of cases and kept mortality rates lower than average. Moreno says Mexico should be following suit despite the intensive resources widespread testing will require.
"We need to copy what some other countries are doing in early detection of the disease," Moreno said. Mexico "appears to be waiting for the problem to start before taking measures. And my fear is that when it grows, we're going to be far from being able to contain it. ".
As of now, Mexico is only testing people who have a direct connection to someone who's traveled to a country deemed high-risk, or who's been in contact with a confirmed case, said Alejandro Macias, the former national commissioner for influenza in Mexico during the H1 N1 outbreak.
"It would be a good idea to lower the bar for testing," he said in an interview. While Macias doubts there's an undetected epidemic in the country because hospitals would be seeing the cases, "it's likely that they've missed some cases and will continue to do so if they don't increase testing. ".
— With assistance by Lorena Rios, and Justin Villamil.
S. Korea is testing 15,000 per day. They even have drive thru testing centers.
The USA is testing 100 a day.
Mexico have tested 278 total.
They are so fucked.
Total failure at CDC / Trump, missed the boat. Now in containment phase. Our Fukashima pandamic. How would Mexico cope?
[QUOTE=ChinaMan360;2433796]Please guys. The only credible sources right now is straight from the CDC and WHO. I've seen so much misinformation spread around social media. NPR, academic health websites and such are fine but they are still second hand information. So keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]
Drive thru testing 10,000 test a day.
Very limited testing in Mexico.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2435167][URL]https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/6-travelers-to-italy-from-mexicali-tijuana-appear-to-have-coronavirus/[/URL]
BORDER REPORT.
By: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Mar 4, 2020/10:50 PM PST / Updated: Mar 4, 2020/10:54 PM PST.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) Baja California's Health Department is reporting six suspected cases of the coronavirus in the state: four in Mexicali and two in Tijuana.
Both cities are just south of the USA -Mexico border. Baja health officials say they are waiting lab results for the six people in question. Four people are from Mexicali three women ages 51,28 and 24 and a 25-year old man. The two other cases involve a 40-year-old woman and a 56-year-old man from Tijuana..[/QUOTE]
Just a FYI trump layed off his pandemic team in 2018 due to budget cuts, CDC responded earlier in the weekend stating most are going to be exposed to the virus and most will survive. It's okay to be concerned but it's not okay to panic, everything will be fine.
[QUOTE=Sound7;2435269]Total failure at CDC / Trump, missed the boat. Now in containment phase. Our Fukashima pandamic. How would Mexico cope?[/QUOTE]
Tuesday chicas texted me that HK and Chicago were open on Sunday and Monday but there were virtually no clients. Bars owners were talking about shutting down due to lack of business.
As of today, Baja has ordered schools to close, but only recommends people to avoid bars, not total shutdown. With more confirmed cases expected in Tijuana in the next few days, bars, street girls, massages dens, restaurants, hotels, food carts, stores ect will soon be all shut down in La Zona.
Any bros happen to be in the area please take a few pics of the scene. Would be interesting to see. This pic of the San Ysidro is old, showing workers still putting covers over the SENTRI lanes, and they were blocked. No buenos.
Baja California confirms first two cases of coronavirus.
The state bumped up its response to Phase 2, which includes canceling events and school closures.
By WENDY FRY March 17,20206:46 PM.
BAJA California — Baja California Secretary of Health Alonso Pérez Rico announced Tuesday the first two confirmed cases of coronavirus infection in the Mexican border state.
Pérez said the two cases are both female patients from Mexicali, ages 54 and 58, who had recently traveled to the state of Washington in the United States.
Baja California bumped up its response to Phase 2, which includes canceling events and school closures.
Until Tuesday, Baja California had not documented a single case of the COVID-19, a highly contagious disease caused by a new virus not previously identified in humans.
Cases in San Diego County, just north of Baja California, have been growing rapidly in recent days.
In Baja California, officials have identified 54 suspected cases and ruled out 37 cases as of Tuesday evening. There remain 15 cases where officials are awaiting results. Of those, nine are in Tijuana, one is in Mexicali and five are in Ensenada.
Pérez urged the public to remain calm but continue taking preventative measures, such as social distancing and frequent hand washing.
Schools will be canceled across the state starting Wednesday, a few days earlier than the already scheduled shutdown set to begin Friday, he said.
The secretary, who is also a physician, recommended people avoid bars, restaurants, casinos and gyms to prevent further spread of the coronavirus.
Residents should try to avoid meetings and public places with more than 10 people in attendance, he said.
In Tijuana, state health officials denied assertions that the absence of confirmed local cases indicated they were not adequately testing residents. The agency pointed to testing locations in each city and phone numbers for concerned people to call for testing options.
SIMNSA, a Tijuana medical facility and health plan, has installed tents in the border region to screen the public for possible cases of the coronavirus and has thousands of rapid result testing kits, said its president, Frank Carrillo.
"We're very concerned about the virus here in Tijuana and we want to send a message to the San Diego community that we are taking proactive steps to prevent its spread," said Carrillo.
Carrillo said several of the screening checkpoints will be set up in the northbound pedestrian border crossings.
Border leaders have urged Baja California officials to take the pandemic more seriously. Gustavo de la Fuente, the executive director of the San Diego-Tijuana Smart Border Coalition, said drastic measures need to be taken on both sides of the border to prevent a binational public health crisis.
"Though a facility has been designated to isolate infected patients, Tijuana does not have medical infrastructure to manage an impending surge in people believing they should be tested or for those with the infection," he and others wrote in a commentary for The San Diego Union-Tribune.
"Tellingly, there are no public hand-washing stations. Given how the virus multiplies and the Mexican federal government's lax response to a potential outbreak, we believe faster regional — border-wide — reaction is in order," De La Fuente said.
On Monday, in an interview with the Union-Tribune, Pérez said his department was collaborating daily with health officials in California.
"We have been preparing our population for six weeks" for the likelihood of a coronavirus outbreak, he said.
The health secretary encouraged residents to only travel to the United States for "essential" reasons.
Though Mexican federal health officials have said they would consider closing the border, Pérez said Monday it does not make sense to do so given the current circumstances.
"That does not mean that the situation will not change based on how many cases are presented. " he said. "Of course, the Government of Mexico and especially the State of Baja California will do what is necessary to protect our population. ".
I'll be in the Zona by early Thursday evening and will report my observations.
This pic of the San Ysidro crossing, taken around 1:19 PM, showed virtually no cars entering the US, about 1% of the usual traffic.
Border closure is expected to be announced tomorrow Friday. Just hope LuvMex won't be locked down in HK with 100 horny girls for the next 14 days.
US-Mexico border restrictions expected as coronavirus spreads, report says.
PUBLISHED THU, MAR 19 2020 4:19 PM EDTUPDATED 4 HOURS AGO Dan Mangan at _DANMANGAN.
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The United States is expected to announce restrictions on travel across the border with Mexico as part of the effort to stem the tide of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new report.
The restrictions are expected to be revealed Friday, Reuters reported.
President Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier in the week said were temporarily closing their nations' border — the longest in the world — to non-essential travel.
GP: US MEXICO border San Ysidro Coronavirus 200319.
View of San Ysidro port of entry as few cars enter the US from Tijuana, Baja California state, Mexico, on March 19,2020.
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The United States is expected to announce restrictions on travel across the border with Mexico as part of the effort to stem the tide of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new report Thursday.
The restrictions are expected to be revealed Friday, according to the report by the Reuters news agency, which cited two officials familiar with the matter.
Those sources said that the restrictions on the USA -Mexico border would be similar to the agreement with Canada that was announced Wednesday by President Donald Trump.
Trump and and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that day said they were temporarily closing their nations' border — the longest in the world — to non-essential traffic.
On Tuesday, the member countries of the European Union agreed to close their external borders to non-citizens in most cases for one month.
There have been more than 236,000 cases of coronvirus reported worldwide, with at least 9,790 deaths.
In the United States alone, there have been at least 11,238 coronavirus cases, and at least 157 related deaths.
Mexico has 118 confirmed cases, and 1 reported death, according to Johns Hopkins University of Medicine, which has been tracking the spread of coronavirus, and the related disease of COVID-19.
If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.
Stay in Home order. California.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2435984]If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2435984]If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.[/QUOTE]I don't know about your numbers, but this contagion is being suppressed at the expense of the economy and people's personal liberties because if it isn't, the number of sick will flood and overwhelm the healthcare system. In fact, at the rate that infections keep doubling every few days, it may not be possible to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system even with the measures in place such as lockdowns, etc. I don't know what to say about Floridians, their infections and dead just doubled.
[QUOTE=Sound7;2436006]Stay in Home order. California.[/QUOTE]There is no enforcement, as there will be no arrests, citations or fines.
As happened in Europe and Iran, Mexico will have a spike in CoVid19 infections and deaths in 2 to 3 weeks, scientifically unavoidable, regardless what AMLO said.
The costs in health care, death and economic losses will be horrendous and long lasting. Mexican government officials are irrational and are burying their heads in the proverbial sand in the face of danger. Mexicans will have to pay for this pandemic with their lives, health and earnings, and will have good reasons to hate their government leaders.
[URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/mexico-is-frighteningly-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus.html[/URL]
Mexico Is Frighteningly Unprepared for the Coronavirus.
As the virus spreads, the government is still downplaying the danger.
By JORDI OLIVERES.
March 19,20203:42 PM.
A crowd of concertgoers, some wearing face masks with skull imagery, outside on a sunny day.
Image: The "Vive Latino" music festival at Foro Sol in Mexico City on Saturday. Alejandro Melendez / Getty Images.
Last weekend, 110,000 people attended the "Vive Latino" music festival in Mexico City, which took place as scheduled despite several confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Mexico's capital. At the same time, while governments worldwide took drastic measures to slow down the spread of the disease, Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, known as AMLO, traveled to the south of Mexico and met with adoring crowds, shaking hands and hugging and kissing supporters. During his daily press conferences, AMLO has insisted that his honesty and moral rectitude protect him from the virus and that the threat of COVID-19 is greatly exaggerated. "I have great faith that we will move our dear Mexico forward, that misfortunes and pandemics won't affect us," he told reporters at a press conference on Sunday.
The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Mexico may seem low, but it has grown exponentially over the last week, from eight to 118, and the first death from the disease was reported on Wednesday night. Moreover, Mexico has very limited testing capabilities, and the official statistics are not a reliable indicator of the actual number of cases in the country. Although the government's position is that Mexico is still in "Phase 1" of the pandemic, meaning all diagnosed cases of COVID-19 are people who caught the virus while traveling abroad, most experts agree the virus is already rapidly spreading within Mexico and that the government's nonchalance about the situation could have disastrous results.
"We need political leaders that are properly advised and understand the gravity of the situation," said Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University. "A lot of people in Mexico would die unnecessarily unless the government gets very seriously prepared for this. " Getting seriously prepared means taking drastic measures to curb the spread of the virus, bolstering the hospital system, and helping people cope when the economy grinds to a halt.
The Mexican government has not yet imposed any travel restrictions nor encouraged people to stay home, and it seems very unlikely that the public health system, which suffered drastic budget cuts and shortages last year, will be prepared for the magnitude of the imminent crisis.
"The current guidelines are 'wash your hands, don't touch your face, and avoid people who are coughing,' " said Gordon McCord, a professor at the School of Global Policy & Strategy at the University of California San Diego. "We know from the experiences of Asia and Italy that if all you do is avoid people who are coughing, you're going to get an explosion of sick folks in the population, so that's coming. " Italy, which after China has the most confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths to date, has 340 hospital beds per 100,000 people, which has proved woefully insufficient. Mexico, by comparison, has only 150 hospital beds per 100,000 people, less than half.
Around 5 percent of coronavirus cases become critical, meaning they result in respiratory failure, septic shock, and organ dysfunction. These cases require intensive care to keep the patients alive, which is limited and more expensive. Doctors in Italy, which has an above-average number of intensive care unit beds for European standards (12.5 per 100,000 people), are being forced to decide which patients to keep alive and which ones to let die because there are not enough respirators available for all critical cases. Mexico's public health care system has 3,000 ICU beds in the entire country. That's 2. 3 beds per 100,000 people.
According to a prominent Mexican epidemiologist, who asked to remain anonymous because of possible hostility from government authorities, Mexico will see a spike in coronavirus cases in the next couple of weeks, and within a month the death toll will begin to rise significantly. "It's not that Mexico isn't taking the problem seriously enough. It's that it did not take it seriously when it should have, and now we are starting to see community spread," the doctor said. "From my perspective, we have all the conditions for this to turn into a tragedy, similar to Italy, if not worse."
The government's nonchalance may be the result of previous experience. In 2009, the Mexican government took severe measures to contain the spread of a new strain of swine flu. Public life was virtually shut down in the capital for several weeks, which took its toll on an already struggling economy in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. Mexico suffered its first recession since 2009 last year, and government officials have indicated they do not want to overreact to the situation out of concern for the country's economy. In a press conference last week, Hugo López-Gatell, Mexico's deputy health minister, told reporters that "the 2009 economic loss was directly related, in the most part, to the disruption of tourism, trade and services. . It is so important, with very careful precision, not to take preemptive actions that do not correspond to the magnitude of the risk. ".
It is unclear how López-Gatell is assessing the magnitude of the current risk when no significant amount of testing has been done on the population. At the end of last week, the government had tested only around 500 patients. By comparison, South Korea, which has had some of the best results controlling the COVID-19 outbreak, has tested 270,000 people. "I'm sympathetic to the desire of the government not to pull the trigger too early while the number of cases are small," said McCord. "But if you're going to do a multiphased approach, there's one thing you absolutely need if you're going to get the timing right, and that's data. Data means mass testing of the population so that you know in real time what's going on in terms of the epidemiology of this disease."
López-Gatell announced this week that the government will spend 3. 5 billion pesos (roughly $147 million) on tests, protective gear, and other equipment to address the pandemic, and that widespread testing will begin next week. The government's equipment purchases are based on an estimate of 250,000 cases of the coronavirus over the course of the pandemic and 10,528 people requiring intensive care. That number seems absurdly low, considering that epidemiologists predict around half of the world's population could get the virus and that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's worst-case scenario estimate for the USA, Mexico's next-door neighbor, is 65 percent of the population getting infected. Based on the CDC's projections, Mexico, which has a population of 130 million, should be planning for a worst-case scenario of 84.5 million infections and 4. 2 million cases that require intensive care.
Some new measures to curb the spread of the virus will be implemented in the next few days—public schools are going on spring break ahead of schedule at the end of the week, most colleges are switching to online classes, and the country's biggest concert promoter canceled all of its shows until mid-April—but the government still insists on delaying more significant measures, like travel restrictions and social distancing. "If one begins these measures too early, one extinguishes the will of society to keep them up," said López-Gatell in a recent press conference. "And although some of those measures might be useful now, they may be even more useful in the future. "
That is simply not true. The more time and opportunity the virus has to spread in the population, the worse the situation is going to be later on. "The more you refrain from the social distancing message now, the longer people feel 'Let's go to the restaurants, bars, beaches one last time'—then the higher the spike will be in two or three weeks when this really hits the health system," said McCord. "And I think everybody senses Mexico is going to be overrun. "
How easy to get this combo Rxs at Tijuana Costco or others0? Cure in 6 days. French Rx based on small study published, and = 40 .
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2436234]As happened in Europe and Iran, Mexico will have a spike in CoVid19 infections and deaths in 2 to 3 weeks, scientifically unavoidable, regardless what AMLO said.
The costs in health care, death and economic losses will be horrendous and long lasting. Mexican government officials are irrational and are burying their heads in the proverbial sand in the face of danger. Mexicans will have to pay for this pandemic with their lives, health and earnings, and will have good reasons to hate their government leaders.
[URL]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/mexico-is-frighteningly-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus.html[/URL]
Mexico Is Frighteningly Unprepared for the Coronavirus.
As the virus spreads, the government is still downplaying the danger.
By JORDI OLIVERES.
March 19,20203:42 PM.
A crowd of concertgoers, some wearing face masks with skull imagery, outside on a sunny day.
Image: The "Vive Latino" music festival at Foro Sol in Mexico City on Saturday. Alejandro Melendez / Getty Images..[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936[/URL]
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.
NYC now 'epicenter' of coronavirus crisis, mayor says; 258 dead in US.
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-china-exonerates-whistleblower-doctor-warned/story?id=69702910&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_related[/URL]
The Cor19 attacks the lungs. Normally a breathing respirator helps the patient not choke to death. But with so many patients, access to a respirator is going to be limited. So a patient is fucked if they run out of respirators. NYC now have 10 x the amount of Cor19 patients since 7 days ago. You're going to see some terrible shit in the next couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2436469][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936[/URL]
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.[/QUOTE]Sad, but true. Makes no sense, Guys are still going to HK, even after reading all this. This is no joke, I probably got the Virus from HK or traveling, I am lucky, I did not have to go to the hospital, but this knocked me on my ass.
Chinese med team dispatched to Italy.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2436469][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936[/URL]
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.[/QUOTE]
Trump has made no offer to help any country but North Korea.
Meanwhile China is making overtures to countries in Europe, potentially getting better trade terms and expanding their exports.
[QUOTE=Sound7;2436715]Chinese med team dispatched to Italy.[/QUOTE]Want to know why Italy is so fucked? Their doctors died off. Yeah Italian doctors under 65 mistakenly believed that the Cor19 was just a bad flu disregarded protection while treating their patients. Once the Italian doctors died off, no one was left to treat their sick. Italy is now pulling medical students out of school to help save their population.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2436765]Trump has made no offer to help any country but North Korea.
Meanwhile China is making overtures to countries in Europe, potentially getting better trade terms and expanding their exports.[/QUOTE]Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.
Early warning ignored by world leaders, CDC, WHO.
Interest case. Negligence China / Xi. Trump / Obama / CDC / WHO / Italian, USA.
Dr Li.
[QUOTE=StRobert;2436870]Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.[/QUOTE]
Drama,
Where you think you picked up the flu or CoronaViris from?
How are you and your parents doing?
Did you take the test?
Did you lose your taste and smell?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-york-surgeon-warns-coronavirus-015200406.html[/URL]
A person with the common flu will on average pass it to 1.4 people, Professor Hugh Montgomery told Channel 4's "Dispatches" on Sunday. If there are 10 cycles of that interaction, there will be 14 cases of the flu, he calculated.
But the coronavirus is three times as infectious as the flu. So if one person with the coronavirus passes it onto three people, and those three people pass onto three more people for ten cycles, there will be 59,000 infections, he said.
"If you are irresponsible enough to think that you don't mind if you get the flu, remember it's not about you, it's about everybody else," Montgomery said.
R,
[QUOTE=StRobert;2436870]Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.[/QUOTE]Contrast that with Donald Trump, who for weeks denied the severity & seriousness of the pandemic ("It will blow through once the weather get warmer""Everyone who wants a test can get a test".).
He currently is running daily dog & pony shows he calls daily updates, where the rule of thumb is concealment, not disclosing of how his inaction have left our nation's medical system more vulnerable with predictable shortages that he could have prevented.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2436918]Drama,
Where you think you picked up the flu or CoronaViris from?
How are you and your parents doing?
Did you take the test?
Did you lose your taste and smell?[/QUOTE]Thanks, I am getting better, probably 60%. Parents are still sick, but improving. Spreads quickly, I speak from experience.
Maybe the worst cough of my life. My parents as well, but no fever luckily. All the other symptoms. Yes, lost sense of taste and smell, but was too sick to realize. Working a little so I can not complain, I was lucky. I drive by places of work of my friends work and they no longer have jobs or if lucky working from home.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2436991]Thanks, I am getting better, probably 60%. Parents are still sick, but improving. Spreads quickly, I speak from experience.
Maybe the worst cough of my life. My parents as well, but no fever luckily. All the other symptoms. Yes, lost sense of taste and smell, but was too sick to realize. Working a little so I can not complain, I was lucky. I drive by places of work of my friends work and they no longer have jobs or if lucky working from home.[/QUOTE]The three highest way to get the virus is by family, friends or co-workers. Gov is doing a research on the why right now to pinpoint the root cause why his virus is super-contageous.
Drama,
You have most of CoVid19 symptoms.
It spreads quickly to your parents, and others too.
I suspect Tijuana bars will all shut down soon.
[QUOTE=StRobert;2436870]Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.[/QUOTE]Probably. But calling it the Chinese virus or putting the blame in the middle of the crisis is resulting in a great rise in racism against Asian Americans such as myself who is neither Chinese nor want to do anything with China. So much so that I've dusted off my 9 mm peashooter just in case I am unable to reach the trunk of my car to access my diplomacy kit.
Jackie has a good beef here. A Chinese female student in Washington reported being verbally abused and spit on by a stranger on the street. She was assaulted but went to a quiet corner and cried to herself. This is why American women became a lot tougher, having to fight off rude, stupid, offensive. They would have kicked this asshole's balls in.
I would suggest anyone abused and assaulted to fight back, grab hold of the offenders, kick them in their balls and scream for help. That would put them in prison to get a few doses of personal CoVid19 every day.
But the chicas told me Jackie looks more like tough guy Kim Jong Un, who's still trying to hide the millions North Koreans infected, sick and dead from the rest of the word. Jackie would be feared anywhere he goes in the world.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2437000]Drama,
You have most of CoVid19 symptoms.
It spreads quickly to your parents, and others too.
I suspect Tijuana bars will all shut down soon.[/QUOTE]I am amazed HK is still open, but hopefully Mexico will be spared the same fate as parts of Europe. Interesting observations, whether I got sick from my parents or the opposite. We had not seen each other in 8 months, after meeting we were all sick within 24 hours. My guys that work with me that are all Hispanic and I am around much more then my parents, including when I was sick. None of them or there families are sick. The girls I know from MTY and other places in Mexico none of them are sick. 2 of them I had sex with a few days prior to getting sick, so maybe some good news.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2437010]Probably. But calling it the Chinese virus or putting the blame in the middle of the crisis is resulting in a great rise in racism against Asian Americans such as myself who is neither Chinese nor want to do anything with China. So much so that I've dusted off my 9 mm peashooter just in case I am unable to reach the trunk of my car to access my diplomacy kit.[/QUOTE]Let's call it the CCP virus. Its not the Chinese people's fault, its their government that hid it and let it get out of control.
As far as the news reports, they always try to AMP up the hostility. One racist asshole doesn't doesn't stand for all, most or even many of us. I feel bad for the girl, but the news probably wouldn't report if someone slapped that asshole down. I know I wouldn't have tolerated someone doing that if I was standing by.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2437262]Let's call it the CCP virus. Its not the Chinese people's fault, its their government that hid it and let it get out of control.
As far as the news reports, they always try to AMP up the hostility. One racist asshole doesn't doesn't stand for all, most or even many of us. I feel bad for the girl, but the news probably wouldn't report if someone slapped that asshole down. I know I wouldn't have tolerated someone doing that if I was standing by.[/QUOTE]What ever anyone wants to call it, I'm conceal carrying again. Fuck this shit. My warning shots are to the kneecaps because I am such a nice guy.
Recent article on attacks on Asians. . .
The New York Times just ran a 2,000-word story about East Asians being "Spit on, yelled at, attacked" by persons who blame them for the coronavirus. But who are those persons?
For deeper insights into the matter I refer readers to Ying Ma's 2011 book Chinese Girl in the Ghetto, mentioned by us here (2006), here (2010), here (2011), and here (2017) . . . Ma's new book, Chinese Girl in the Ghetto, is partly about how a girl growing up in post-Mao China took advantage of the freedom and opportunity she found in the United States. But it is also about the daily racism and harassment she. And many other Asians. Experience in the (ghetto of Oakland).
[URL]https://vdare.com/posts/east-asian-americans-under-attack-but-who-are-the-attackers[/URL]
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2437061]Jackie has a good beef here. A Chinese female student in Washington reported being verbally abused and spit on by a stranger on the street. She was assaulted but went to a quiet corner and cried to herself. This is why American women became a lot tougher, having to fight off rude, stupid, offensive. They would have kicked this asshole's balls in.
I would suggest anyone abused and assaulted to fight back, grab hold of the offenders, kick them in their balls and scream for help. That would put them in prison to get a few doses of personal CoVid19 every day.
But the chicas told me Jackie looks more like tough guy Kim Jong Un, who's still trying to hide the millions North Koreans infected, sick and dead from the rest of the word. Jackie would be feared anywhere he goes in the world.[/QUOTE]
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If there is anything good to report about the Corona virus:
It seems to be killing off a lot of "C-list" and "D-list" actors and celebrities.
While treating the A-list celebrities better (example: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson).
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-birx-predicts-200-000-115800421.html[/URL]
Best case scenario is 100,000-200,000 Americans killed. This is coming from Trump's team. In the USA, the richest and best medical care country in the entire fucking world.
Want to know what will happen to the people of Tijuana when we import the Covid-19 to them? Oh yeah, the Mexicans are a tough race. That went pretty well for the Incas too.
Stay at home. Do your fucking part.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2438856]best medical care country in the entire fucking world.[/QUOTE]"Best medical care" if you are among those who can afford it. In much of the developed world, the United States is considered a backwards country medically. A few weeks ago (before the quarantine was in place everywhere), the Norway Ministry of Foreign Affairs advised students outside the country to return home if they were in "a country with poorly developed health services and infrastructure and / or collective infrastructure, for example the USA. ".
[URL]https://twitter.com/JeremyKlemin/status/1239218272521859073[/URL]
Yeah, if you can afford the Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins you are in the best hands in the world. But most of us are in for a world of hurt because the average medical care in the US is at third world level. It's why I and millions of other Americans regularly travel to MEXICO (and Canada) for health care.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-el-chapo-mother-mexico[/URL]
Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
Mexican president ignores coronavirus restrictions to greet El Chapo's mother.
Andrés Manuel López Obrador provokes perplexity and scorn with visit to drug lord's home town in Sinaloa.
Tom Phillips, Latin America correspondent Mon 30 Mar 2020 10.21 EDTLast modified on Mon 30 Mar 2020 15.57 EDT.
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, according to one Mexican journalist, 'failed to keep a healthy distance – in more than one sense'. Photograph: Henry Romero / Reuters.
Mexico's president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, has sparked perplexity and scorn by visiting the home town of his country's most infamous drug lord and greeting the gangster's mother – despite a plea from his own government for Mexicans to stay indoors.
Mexico's deputy health minister on Saturday implored the country's 130 million citizens not to leave home in an "urgent" bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Coronavirus advice from Mexico's president: 'Live life as usual'.
But less than 24 hours later López Obrador ignored that advice and journeyed to Badiraguato – the birthplace and former stomping ground of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmáand, the world-famous narco boss who was last year jailed for life in the United States.
Located in the northern state of Sinaloa, Badiraguato is part of Mexico's so-called Golden Triangle, a poor and mountainous marijuana- and poppy-growing region long at the heart of the country's drug trade.
The controversy did not end there. Video footage that went viral on Sunday evening showed the leftwing populist – who most call Amlo – shaking the hand of El Chapo's elderly mother, María Consuelo Loera Pérez, as she sat in her car.
"Don't get out," Amlo can be heard telling the 92-year-old woman, before adding: "I got your letter. ".
Also visible in the footage, putting his arm around Mexico's president, is a man identified as José Luis González Meza, a Guzmáand family representative.
Amlo has been widely criticised for his lackadaisical response to coronavirus, and his outing sparked further anger – with many noting that the visit had coincided with the 30th birthday of El Chapo's son, Ovidio Guzmáand López.
Last October heavily armed cartel gunmen brought Sinaloa's capital, Culiacáand, to a standstill in order to secure Ovidio's release after his home was raided by the army.
"It is very hard to understand what the president did today in Badiraguato," tweeted the Mexican journalist Pascal Beltráand del areío. Amlo had "failed to keep a healthy distance – in more than one sense", he added.
Marko Cortés, an opposition leader from the National Action party (Pan), described the meeting as an insult to victims of Mexico's cartels and members of the armed forces who were risking their lives to tackle them. "You must urgently explain your connection to this family," Cortés tweeted.
Ioan Grillo, the author of the book El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, said Amlo's visit was a mistake.
"he needs to be 100% leading the country in the fight against the pandemic. This is a terrible way to distract from it. None of this helps Amlo or the country," Grillo added.
Amlo, who was making his second visit to Badiraguato since taking power in 2018, has pledged to lift the long-neglected drug-producing region out of poverty.
Writing on Twitter, Mexico's leader said he visited the Sierra Madre region "to connect with marginalized communities and villages".
Amlo defended his actions at a press conference in Mexico City on Monday morning dismissing the "scandal" he claimed only Mexican conservatives were making over his encounter with El Chapo's mother.
"They told me she was there and wanted to greet me so I got out of my truck and greeted her. She's a 92-year-old woman," Mexico's president said.
Corruption was Mexico's "plague", Amlo insisted, "not a pensioner who deserves my full respect. Whoever her son might be".
"Sometimes, because it's my job, I have to give my hand to white-collar criminals" Amlo added. "So how could I not give it to an old lady?
Mexico's presidency later published the letter El Chapo's mother had sent to Amlo on March 20.
In it she lamented being denied a visa to see her son in the United States and pleaded with Amlo – who she called her "brother in Christ" –- to help her visit. "It's been more than five years since I've seen him," she wrote.
Additional reporting David Agren.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2438934][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-el-chapo-mother-mexico[/URL]
Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador.
Mexican president ignores coronavirus restrictions to greet El Chapo's mother.
Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador provokes perplexity and scorn with visit to drug lord's home town in Sinaloa.
Tom Phillips, Latin America correspondent Mon 30 Mar 2020 10.21 EDTLast modified on Mon 30 Mar 2020 15.57 EDT.
President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador, according to one Mexican journalist, 'failed to keep a healthy distance in more than one sense'. Photograph: Henry Romero / Reuters.
Mexico's president, Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador, has sparked perplexity and scorn by visiting the home town of his country's most infamous drug lord and greeting the gangster's mother despite a plea from his own government for Mexicans to stay indoors.
Mexico's deputy health minister on Saturday implored the country's 130 million citizens not to leave home in an "urgent" bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Coronavirus advice from Mexico's president: 'Live life as usual'.
But less than 24 hours later Lpez Obrador ignored that advice and journeyed to Badiraguato the birthplace and former stomping ground of Joaqun "El Chapo" Guzmand, the world-famous narco boss who was last year jailed for life in the United States.
Located in the northern state of Sinaloa, Badiraguato is part of Mexico's so-called Golden Triangle, a poor and mountainous marijuana- and poppy-growing region long at the heart of the country's drug trade.
The controversy did not end there. Video footage that went viral on Sunday evening showed the leftwing populist who most call Amlo shaking the hand of El Chapo's elderly mother, Mara Consuelo Loera Prez, as she sat in her car.
"Don't get out," Amlo can be heard telling the 92-year-old woman, before adding: "I got your letter. ".
Also visible in the footage, putting his arm around Mexico's president, is a man identified as Jos Luis Gonzlez Meza, a Guzmand family representative.
Amlo has been widely criticised for his lackadaisical response to coronavirus, and his outing sparked further anger with many noting that the visit had coincided with the 30th birthday of El Chapo's son, Ovidio Guzmand Lpez.
Last October heavily armed cartel gunmen brought Sinaloa's capital, Culiacand, to a standstill in order to secure Ovidio's release after his home was raided by the army.
"It is very hard to understand what the president did today in Badiraguato," tweeted the Mexican journalist Pascal Beltrand del areo. Amlo had "failed to keep a healthy distance in more than one sense", he added.
Marko Corts, an opposition leader from the National Action party (Pan), described the meeting as an insult to victims of Mexico's cartels and members of the armed forces who were risking their lives to tackle them. "You must urgently explain your connection to this family," Corts tweeted.
Ioan Grillo, the author of the book El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, said Amlo's visit was a mistake.
"he needs to be 100% leading the country in the fight against the pandemic. This is a terrible way to distract from it. None of this helps Amlo or the country," Grillo added.
Amlo, who was making his second visit to Badiraguato since taking power in 2018, has pledged to lift the long-neglected drug-producing region out of poverty.
Writing on Twitter, Mexico's leader said he visited the Sierra Madre region "to connect with marginalized communities and villages".
Amlo defended his actions at a press conference in Mexico City on Monday morning dismissing the "scandal" he claimed only Mexican conservatives were making over his encounter with El Chapo's mother.
"They told me she was there and wanted to greet me so I got out of my truck and greeted her. She's a 92-year-old woman," Mexico's president said.
Corruption was Mexico's "plague", Amlo insisted, "not a pensioner who deserves my full respect. Whoever her son might be".
"Sometimes, because it's my job, I have to give my hand to white-collar criminals" Amlo added. "So how could I not give it to an old lady?
Mexico's presidency later published the letter El Chapo's mother had sent to Amlo on March 20.
In it she lamented being denied a visa to see her son in the United States and pleaded with Amlo who she called her "brother in Christ" - to help her visit. "It's been more than five years since I've seen him," she wrote.
Additional reporting David Agren.[/QUOTE]This is absolutely disgusting. I just lost all faith and respect for amlo. He basically just endorsed narco cartel hyper extreme violence and murder rate. All the Mexican cops who risk their necks every day fighting the cartels and this bastard has the nerve to pay a friendly visit to El chapo's mother of all people?! That's just a big slap in the face to all the people who've suffered due to cartel violence.
It's like the dirty filthy cops who sit across the street watching out for the drug pushers in the Zona. That drug money goes to the cartels to buy more guns and bullets that will eventually be used to kill. Cops. Just a few weeks ago in TJ some hitmen ambushed like four cops eating at a taco stand. I think even the taco stand worker got shot.
Jinxx.
You got it right.
El Presidente publicly hangs out with top drugs cartel bosses, allegedly celebrating El Chapo's oldest son Olivio's 30th birthday, helps El Chapo's mother visit him in US prison. He's in effect saying it's OK for the cartels to corrupt Mexicans with drugs addiction, traffic drugs to the US and commit extreme violence and evils against the population.
None of his socio-economic reforms, promised in his election campaign, was ever started. Mexico will be hit hard by CoVid19 with his BS faith-based solutions and will slide further backward. He's flushing Mexico down the toilet faster than previous corrupt presidentes.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/new-cdc-report-finds-covid-19-can-be-spread-13-days-before-onset-of-symptoms-174344709.html[/URL]
New CDC report finds COVID-19 can be spread 1-3 days before onset of symptoms.
'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.
"Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine continues to dominate the headlines after many success stories from doctors in the front line. This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey.
Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Dr. Smith pointed out that not a single patient, COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen has had to to be intubated. Dr. Smith said that they had 20 intubations that all occurred within two days and more importantly, no person who received hydroxychloroquine for 5 days or more had been intubated.
Dr. Smith added that the chance of intubation happening, based on the stat done by his son, is a ridiculously low number of about 0.000 something percent. Dr. Smith said his team's data support the data from French study led by the famous French researcher Dr. Didier Raoult.
In closing, Dr. Smith said: "Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and 'the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic. " Dr. Stephen Smith is an infectious disease specialist in Roseland, New Jersey and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area. He has been in practice for more than 20 years.
[URL]https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Travv;2439588]'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.[/QUOTE]This article from some website I've never heard of, sounds like quack science to me. The New York Times, however is reporting that "A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed. ".
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Travv;2439588]'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says...[/QUOTE]100% Fox News propaganda. This Smith guy is a fucking idiot. You don't go around touting you found the cure to one of the greatest pandemics in modern history when you've had 2 months to study the virus. And his sample size was what 50? What were the results of the control group? And the placebo group? You didn't hear him mentioning any of that did you? Probably didn't even have them. The whole "study" is nothing but a propaganda piece designed to give Trump cover for his reckless statements about this drug. A Fox News viewer in AZ actually took Doctor Trump's advice and ingested fish tank cleaner and wound up killing himself.
As of Thursday April 2, the Covid 19 is killing about 1,000 Americans each day. And increasing.
Re the Hydrochloroquinne, it can put a hole in some of your organs and kill some people too. Doctors have to monitor you very closely to ensure your stomach isn't bleeding when you take it. Will it work? The jury is still out. Maybe. If you don't die from the side effects.
We probably want to try the least invasive treatment first, like staying home and jacking off to porn. Hairy palms and temporary blindness is temporary I hear.
[QUOTE=Travv;2439588]'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.
"Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine continues to dominate the headlines after many success stories from doctors in the front line. This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey.
Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Dr. Smith pointed out that not a single patient, COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen has had to to be intubated. Dr. Smith said that they had 20 intubations that all occurred within two days and more importantly, no person who received hydroxychloroquine for 5 days or more had been intubated.
Dr. Smith added that the chance of intubation happening, based on the stat done by his son, is a ridiculously low number of about 0.000 something percent. Dr. Smith said his team's data support the data from French study led by the famous French researcher Dr. Didier Raoult.
In closing, Dr. Smith said: "Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and 'the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic. " Dr. Stephen Smith is an infectious disease specialist in Roseland, New Jersey and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area. He has been in practice for more than 20 years.
[URL]https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/[/URL][/QUOTE]First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.
[QUOTE=MrClen;2439695]First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.[/QUOTE]While I don't disagree with your premise, my hope is that everyone evaluates facts on their merit, not on the reporting outlet. Fox's biased pro-Trump agenda is matched by MSNBC and CNN's anti-Trump bias. This phenomenon goes far beyond Coronavirus. As for the actual point, hydroxychloroquine's benefits are documented beyond the reach of Fox, CNN and others. The results are promising. Admittedly, these are not fully scientific tests. Frankly, we don't have 2 years to research the benefits. So the very promising results must be tempered. But, this is not a new drug. So I personally believe these applications of this drug is wise.
Is this a game changer? It's not a vaccine, it is a treatment. So while it may not end the outbreak, if it limits the death and extreme impact, I'm all for it.
Lastly, to your point about Fox, and I would include ALL media. They are hyping up this hysteria. At this point, I think their focus has been warranted. But your reaction makes me wonder how responsible the media will be if and when we can end this.
[QUOTE=MrClen;2439695]First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's some serious TDS man. This was in the NYT yesterday. Better now?
Got to set aside the partisan instincts right now and look for quality info regardless of the source. Which is not a license to set aside the scientific method or relax critical thinking.
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-28-texas-spring-breakers-test-positive-covid-19-after-n1173231[/URL]
28 University of Texas spring breakers test positive for COVID-19 after group trip to Mexico.
The group traveled together on a chartered plane to Mexico about a week and a half ago.
March 31,2020, 11:02 AM PDT / Updated March 31,2020, 12:23 PM PDT By Ben Kesslen.
More than two dozen University of Texas at Austin spring breakers tested positive for COVID-19 following a spring break trip to Mexico, university and Austin public health officials said Tuesday.
About 70 young adults traveled together on a chartered plane to Cabo San Lucas about a week and a half ago, the Austin Public Health Department said in a statement. Since their return, 28 students have tested positive for COVID-19, while "dozens more are under public health investigation. " City officials said that four of the confirmed patients showed no symptoms and that they have launched an investigation into the entire cluster.
UT Austin said that all 28 who tested positive are students at the school but that it could not confirm whether the entire group was made up of students. The city and the university contacted every spring breaker who went on the chartered plane after receiving the flight manifest from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and are closely monitoring them. UT Austin, which has moved classes online amid the pandemic, told NBC News in a statement that the incident is a "reminder of the vital importance" of heeding public health warnings.
Those in the cluster with confirmed cases are self-isolating, while many others are being tested and are under quarantine, the city said. Mexico was not under a federal travel advisory when the spring breakers left, but the city said residents should follow CDC guidelines that make it clear that people should travel only for "essential purposes."
The news comes as spring breakers have faced intense backlash for continuing to vacation despite the pandemic, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been criticized for allowing spring break to continue by failing to close the state's beaches.
Texas has 3,403 reported cases of the coronavirus, including 54 deaths, as of Tuesday.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2439700]While I don't disagree with your premise, my hope is that everyone evaluates facts on their merit, not on the reporting outlet. Fox's biased pro-Trump agenda is matched by MSNBC and CNN's anti-Trump bias. This phenomenon goes far beyond Coronavirus. As for the actual point, hydroxychloroquine's benefits are documented beyond the reach of Fox, CNN and others. The results are promising. Admittedly, these are not fully scientific tests. Frankly, we don't have 2 years to research the benefits. So the very promising results must be tempered. But, this is not a new drug. So I personally believe these applications of this drug is wise.
Is this a game changer? It's not a vaccine, it is a treatment. So while it may not end the outbreak, if it limits the death and extreme impact, I'm all for it.
Lastly, to your point about Fox, and I would include ALL media. They are hyping up this hysteria. At this point, I think their focus has been warranted. But your reaction makes me wonder how responsible the media will be if and when we can end this.[/QUOTE]While I agree that all most media outlets may be biased at times, your comparison of Fox vs CNN / MSNBC is hopelessly uneducated. There's a difference between opinion pieces and actual news. CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards. Fox's news is tremendously biased and omits a tremendous amount of pertinent factual information. Not omitting important facts would countermand their purpose of being a Trump / RNC propaganda outlet. Now as far as opinion pieces, CNN / MSNBC have an anti-Trump sentiment, yes. But any reputable opinion piece on Trump would have to be anti-Trump due to the exorbitant amount of lies and corruption of the current administration. But they're opinion pieces are still based on 100% facts and not lies. Fox, in their opinion pieces, lie for the President and omit many facts that would cast light on Trump's constant lies. Sean Hannity is a prime example. After years of Hannity crying about political bias influencing FISA warrants, IG Horowitz released the results of his investigation, stating that:
"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions".
So that proved Hannity wrong, dead wrong. So what was Hannity's reaction?
"Everything we have been reporting for years was dead on accurate. We were right every step of the way. ".
This is a typical example of the modus operandi of Fox News. Ignore truth. Spin lies that can't be spun.
Let me include another example. The other day, the Trump administration flat out lied to the American people which will result in a tremendous amount of deaths. Trump's hand-picked Surgeon General flat-out lied to the American people putting them at tremendous risk for contracting Covid and said that N95 masks do not protect normal people from getting infected. Yet in the same breath he said that medical staff desperately need those masks. So he's essentially saying the Covid virus can determine a person's occupation and only chooses to try and infect doctors. Only a Fox News viewer can believe such a ridiculously obvious lie. You see, when you have someone at the top who lies like a rug, the staffers below see that and think it is normal and acceptable behavior. The evidence is undisputed-masks tremendously aid in preventing the transmission of coronavirus and just about every other pathogen out there. Yet Trump directs his Surgeon General to do what he himself does best-lie to the American people.
Fox's piece on the fish tank cleaner being a "game changer" is an obvious propaganda piece. No medical professional is ignorant enough to make such an ignorant claim after only 2 months of study. It could hold promise but to proclaim that it is a "game changer" and the "end of the pandemic" is just so ridiculously a political cover story propaganda piece obviously coordinated with the White House that it should just be laughed at and not taken seriously.
Lots of guys are showing symptoms of severe withdrawal from the sexy companies of Tijuana chicas.
They cannot deny that regular visits with Tijuana chicas are essential for their physical, mental health and overall well being.
I know a few MDs who prescribe therapy regimes of weekly visits with Tijuana chicas to cure ills, improve and maintain health. These MDs also prescribe the same regime for themselves hehe.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2439228]Jinxx.
You got it right.
El Presidente publicly hangs out with top drugs cartel bosses, allegedly celebrating El Chapo's oldest son Olivio's 30th birthday, helps El Chapo's mother visit him in US prison. He's in effect saying it's OK for the cartels to corrupt Mexicans with drugs addiction, traffic drugs to the US and commit extreme violence and evils against the population.
None of his socio-economic reforms, promised in his election campaign, was ever started. Mexico will be hit hard by CoVid19 with his BS faith-based solutions and will slide further backward. He's flushing Mexico down the toilet faster than previous corrupt presidentes.[/QUOTE]While disturbing to hear, one way to look at Mexico's president is, his job is to do what's best for all of mexico. Therefore he needs to have open communication and show respect, to mexicos other government which is the cartel. It's not going away, it's more powerful than the federal government in some ways, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. Trump has to meet and play nice with and Korea's leader. Alot work goes into trying to keep some sense of peace in any country.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2439874]While disturbing to hear, one way to look at Mexico's president is, his job is to do what's best for all of mexico. Therefore he needs to have open communication and show respect, to mexicos other government which is the cartel. It's not going away, it's more powerful than the federal government in some ways, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. Trump has to meet and play nice with and Korea's leader. Alot work goes into trying to keep some sense of peace in any country.[/QUOTE]So what exactly did AMLO gain by this? The cartels are going to slaughter fewer rivals? No. AMLO already brags about hugs, not bullets for the traffickers. AMLO has only hurt his credibility even more in a country ravaged by inter-cartel violence.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2439816]CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards.
[/QUOTE]TL; DR: TDS.
We need to get back to screwing or we'll be at each other's throats.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2439816]While I agree that all most media outlets may be biased at times, your comparison of Fox vs CNN / MSNBC is hopelessly uneducated. There's a difference between opinion pieces and actual news. CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards.[/QUOTE]We're getting way too close to a political argument. But if you think CNN, MSNBC have the highest journalistic standards, you need to raise your standards. They do the same thing Fox does in reverse. They bury good news stories and focus on the bad. Fox ignores anything derogatory about Trump and focuses on the good. It's not just how they report it. It is what they report. For every Hannity, there is a Brian Williams.
You are not going to hear me sing the praises of Fox, Hannity and that group. But I won't fool myself into believing the others "have the highest journalistic standards. " That's laughable.
I watch Fox when I want to know about my portfolio. That is about it.
Watch Fox on the Covid-19, and you are going to die from their fuckhead opinions on their fake flu.
Jackie 's going to have a fake death by his fake flu with Fox's fake news while his puta has her fake orgasm.
I watch Fox when I want to know about my portfolio. That is about it.
44 now. This proves you can quickly get infected with this CoVid in Mexico.
[URL]https://www.kut.org/post/44-70-austinites-who-flew-mexico-spring-break-have-now-tested-positive-covid-19[/URL]
See the attached image if it comes through. A little news bias chart that's good to check out from time to time. One could argue whoever put it together was "bias" but there is probably more truth in it's perspective than fake news is my guess.
As they say. You are what you eat.
[URL]https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart[/URL]
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28[/URL]
Goyo.
The coronavirus entered Milwaukee from a white, affluent suburb. Then it took root in the city's black community and erupted. As public health officials watched cases rise in March, too many in the community shrugged off the warnings. Rumors and conspiracy theories proliferated on social media, pushing the bogus idea that black people are somehow immune to the disease.
As of Friday morning, African Americans made up almost half of Milwaukee County's 945 cases and 81% of its deaths in a county whose population is 26% black.
In Michigan, where the state's population is 14% black, African Americans made up 35% of cases and 40% of deaths. In New Orleans, 40% of the state's deaths have happened in Orleans Parish, where the majority of residents are black. The Connecticut Mirror.
Commenters: 40% of African American males and females have high blood pressure.
African Americans are 60% more likely to have Type II Diabetes.
40% of African American men and women over 30 are obese.
Just remember, one out of twenty AAs in DC are HIV+, and that's just the ones who bothered to get tested. No telling what the real infection rate is.
If you are obese, have diabetes or high blood pressure. Shelter in quarantine and wear a mask and gloves.
I have family working in health care. They told me to avoid people the next two weeks. The reason is it will be peak of the incubation period for the people that has the Covid-19. People in the ICU will start dying in mass. And people who are carrying the virus but are not that sick will be at their peak contagion.
Eurekalert .
04/06/2020.
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS.
Both surgical and cotton masks were found to be ineffective for preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19. A study conducted at two hospitals in Seoul, South Korea, found that when COVID-19 patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets of virus were released to the environment and external mask surface. A brief research report is published in Annals of Internal Medicine.
During respiratory viral infection, face masks are thought to prevent transmission, leading health care experts to recommend their use during the COVID-19 pandemic. With a shortage of both N95 and surgical masks, which have been shown to prevent the spread of influenza virus, cotton masks have gained interest as a substitute. However, it is not known if surgical or cotton masks worn by patients with COVID-19 prevent contamination of the environment.
Researchers from Asan Medical Center, University of Ulsan College of Medicine, Seoul, South Korea instructed 4 patients with COVID-19 to cough 5 times each onto a petri dish while wearing the following sequence of masks: no mask, surgical mask, cotton mask, and again with no mask. Mask surfaces were swabbed with aseptic Dacron swabs in the following sequence: outer surface of surgical mask, inner surface of surgical mask, outer surface of cotton mask, and inner surface of cotton mask. The researchers found SARS COV-2 on all surfaces. These findings suggest that recommendations to wear face masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19 may not be effective. . . ".
[URL]https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/acop-nsn040620.php[/URL]
Contra: Masks help you to not touch your mouth or nose.
As long as you handle the mask properly (don't touch the inside of the mask when doffing, it can be an effective tool as part of a tool box to minimize potential infection.
And it is better than nothing.
"3 Weeks Ago Newsom Said 25.5 Million People in California Would be Infected with Coronavirus Over 8-Week Period. Actual Number Today? 15,247.
Three weeks ago Governor Gavin Newsom projected that 56% of California's population — or 25.5 million people will be infected with the Wuhan Coronavirus over an 8-week period.
Since we are nearly at the halfway point of Newsom's prediction, we thought we would check in.
As of Monday morning, California has 15,247 confirmed COVID-19 infections and 350 deaths — OUT OF about 40 million people!
California is one of the largest economies in the world, yet the entire state has been virtually shut down because 0.04%. Of the population has confirmed infections and 0. 0009%. Of the population has died from the virus. . . "
[URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/3-weeks-ago-newsom-said-25-5-million-people-california-infected-coronavirus-8-week-period-actual-number-today-15247/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Travv;2440907]Eurekalert .
04/06/2020.
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS.
Both surgical and cotton masks were found to be ineffective for preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19. A study conducted at two hospitals in Seoul, South Korea, found that when COVID-19 patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets of virus were released to the environment and external mask surface. A brief research report is published in Annals of Internal Medicine.
During respiratory viral infection, face masks are thought to prevent transmission, leading health care experts to recommend their use during the COVID-19 pandemic. With a shortage of both N95 and surgical masks, which have been shown to prevent the spread of influenza virus, cotton masks have gained interest as a substitute. However, it is not known if surgical or cotton masks worn by patients with COVID-19 prevent contamination of the environment..[/QUOTE]"May not" is either a cover your ass disclaimer, or they are uncertain. If I don't have an N19, I would wear anything including a cotton or surgical or even a scarf, plus glasses to protect my eyes. That should protect me from an accidental sneeze. I can always remove the mask immediately after getting sneezed on.
But right now we are approaching the peak of the contagion, I would just stay inside.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-144532120.html[/URL]
A majority of people infected with the Covid-19 show no symptoms or little symptoms. And for the deniers, the Covid-19 is now killing more than 1,200 Americans each day. Well sort of because we don't test dead people that died in their homes since we are short on test kits.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2441109][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-144532120.html[/URL]
A majority of people infected with the Covid-19 show no symptoms or little symptoms. And for the deniers, the Covid-19 is now killing more than 1,200 Americans each day. Well sort of because we don't test dead people that died in their homes since we are short on test kits.[/QUOTE]The majority of infections result in mild or maybe no symptoms. Yet it's killing everybody. People are dying in their houses, untreated, from the virus. Yet those people aren't tested because we don't test dead people. Yet we know they died of the virus.
Am I the only one having difficulty following the logic here?
Vendors in Soroti Main Market have deployed bouncers to enforce safety measures against the spread of coronavirus. The bouncers are tasked to deny customers who refuse to wash hands access to the market.
Mr George William Eriebat, the chairperson of Soroti Market Vendors Association, said the initiative was taken following concerns that some customers were rushing past handwashing facilities.
"You will not know who is infected with the virus. The best is to observe hygiene by frequently washing hands but some people have been ignoring that," Mr Eriebat said.
"If you do not want to wash your hands, you go back to your home other than spreading the coronavirus," Mr Enangu said. The vendors have placed handwashing facilities in different spots of the market. They have also barricaded their lockups as a measure for social distancing to prevent customers from getting into contact with them and their commodities.
Mr Peter Okoth, one of the bouncers, said their purpose is basically to counter indisciplined customers who try to defy the order. "Those who try to defy the regulations at the entrance will be denied any entry to the market," he said. . . "
Seems clubs and restaurants in Tijuana should be enforcing hand washing and IR thermometer forehead fever checks at the door so the customers can come back without worries. . .
I was in a San Diego store that had hand disinfectant at the door so customers could do this. . .
Under reporting the COVID 19 death, lack of tested individuals. Home death would not be considered COVID 19 death, unless a person tested positive for COVID 19. Symptoms of COVID 19 with no positive test. Cause of death. Influenza + other underlined conditions. Most cases in one minority group in USA, 60 percent. Not sure why we are not addressing the death issue directly. Poverty and lack of medical access mentioned by various Public Health Departments. Dragging our feet, sure want to be PC, really at this time? Corona virus does not care about race or nationality at this stage. COVID 19 killed thousands starting in Wuhan / China and now the whole world.
Sanitation standards and Social Distance. Tx.
Tijuana. Would be greatly modified in the near future.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2441132]The majority of infections result in mild or maybe no symptoms. Yet it's killing everybody. People are dying in their houses, untreated, from the virus. Yet those people aren't tested because we don't test dead people. Yet we know they died of the virus.
Am I the only one having difficulty following the logic here?[/QUOTE]
CoVid-19 takes hold in Tijuana with 150 cases confirmed, many more untested or unreported.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2x5XlrEw3U[/URL]
Tijuana's Already Strained Hospitals Feel Even More Pressure As Pandemic Takes Hold.
KPBS.
While Mexico has lagged behind the United States in Coronavirus cases, the pandemic has begun to take hold south of the border.
The largest hospital in Baja, California, Tijuana's General Hospital, is straining under the pressure. KPBS reporter Max Rivlin-Nadler and video journalist Matt Bowler show us more.
I know a few years ago, the farmacias started requiring prescriptions to get antibiotics like the Z-Pack. With what's been going on, I'the like to try to stock up for myself and family next time I go down there. Are there any of the 50 peso consult places that will just write my script without wasting my time with having to say I have an infection?
Mexican medicines seem a lot harsher than the US' equivalents. Not sure how much you could save.
There is a doctor in an alley off Calle 2 near Revo, but each script will cost $10-15 plus a long wait.
International Farmacia, on Calle 2 at the trinket alley next to McDonald, will sell without script. Their prices are slightly higher.
"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.
[QUOTE=Travv;2442853]"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.[/QUOTE]M.
They will cave in 7-10 days. Texas is opening up soon, so I would imagine around the same time they will open up.
[QUOTE=Travv;2442853]"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.[/QUOTE]130 K jobs in March alone. Contrast that with fewer about 4,600 total cases and fewer than 300 deaths in the whole country at this point.
Punta Cana wedding.
On 14 March, a high-profile wedding in Cap Cana seemed to be the COVID-19 infection source for a number of its attendees, which included many foreign residents. The wedding received a lot of public criticism for having had a "crazy hour" theme mocking the coronavirus concerns. The chancellor of the Dominican Republic, Miguel Vargas Maldonado would have contracted the virus from his son, who attended the said wedding and also contracted COVID-19.
South Korea's success has been largely down to its testing, according to Dr. EOM Joong Sik from the Gil Medical Center near Seoul. EOM is treating coronavirus patients in hospital and sits on a committee that advises the government in its response.
"Early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment are key," he told CNN.
"Since the first patient was confirmed, by installing more than 500 screening clinics all over the country, we sorted suspected cases and conducted tests, and we have worked hard to develop and maintain a system to conduct many tests with a small workforce over a short period of time," he said. (On March 13, Trump said his administration was partnering with national retailers to set up drive-thru COVID-19 testing sites in their parking lots, so people could "be swabbed without having to leave your car. " As of April 9, Walgreens had one drive-thru testing site running and 15 preparing to open; CVS had three; Walmart had two; Rite Aid had one; Target had none.).
The country, with it's estimated population of 50.7 million people in 2019, has also been innovative in how it tests. EOM's advisory team had hundreds of drive-through booths, just like at a McDonald's, set up across the country to offer tests that were largely free, quick and done by staff at a safe distance. The US has since replicated that model in some states.
On March 16, the WHO called on governments of the world to "test, test, test. " South Korea had already been doing that for weeks, and has to date tested more than 500,000 people, among the highest number in the world per capita.
Many countries are struggling to carry out thousands of tests each day. It's so difficult to get tested in the UK, for example, that people have been turning to mail-order kits, in an industry that hasn't yet been regulated by the government.
South Korea was also quick to move, implementing quarantining and screening measures for people arriving from Wuhan on January 3, more than two weeks before the country's first infection was even confirmed. Authorities rolled out a series of travel restrictions over the weeks after.
South Korea has also been rigorous in its contact tracing, though it was able to do that easily when it realized a large number of cases could be traced to one religious group in the city of Daegu, making contact tracing easier and giving authorities a specific area to carry out intensive testing.
"By carrying out tests on all members of the congregation and diagnosing even infected people without symptoms, the government carried out quarantine and treatment side by side," EOM said.
Once Daegu was established as the epicenter, authorities were ready with the ability and political will to test broadly, to trace contacts of people infected, and to quarantine them to try and contain the virus before it became a case of mitigating widescale death, as is now the case in much of Europe and the US.
[QUOTE=Travv;2442853]"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.[/QUOTE]Mexico has moved to their Level 3 response in a number of municipalities including Tijuana.
Stay at home orders extended to May 30 except some areas with no cases where the order currently ends May 17.
[URL]https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/463-municipalities-identified-for-application-of-phase-three/[/URL]
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/el-chapos-daughter-and-mexican-cartels-distribute-coronavirus-relief/[/URL]
El Chapo's daughter, Mexican cartels distribute coronavirus aid packages.
By Vincent Barone April 17,2020.
12:24 am.
Employees of the clothing brand "El Chapo 701", fill boxes with products to be handed out to elderly people as part of a campaign to help cash-strapped elderly people.
"Chapo's provisions" to the rescue.
A daughter of the notorious drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman and Mexican cartels are distributing coronavirus aid packages as the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases begin to soar in the country.
Alejandrina Guzman is using her company, El Chapo 701, to pack and deliver care boxes full of food, masks, hand soaps and other supplies, dubbed Chapo's provisions, around Guadalajara.
The parcels are labeled with El Chapo's image — and so are the medical-style facemasks the company's employees wear as they pack and deliver the goods.
The company, which Guzman uses to legally sell clothing and liquor bearing the drug lord's likeness, has been posting photo and video updates on production and deliveries on its Facebook page.
"We are working and contributing. A great pleasure to visit your homes and give you these Chapo handouts," said a post on the company's Facebook page showing Alejandrina, wearing a black facemask with Chapo's face, handing out parcels.
The inspiration for the brand name El Chapo 701 stems from a 2009 Forbes listing that ranked him the 701st richest person in the world with an estimated net worth of $1 billion.
Mexico his heading into a difficult, deep recession with 486 coronavirus deaths reported along with 6,300 confirmed cases — up from roughly 1,200 cases at the beginning of the month.
As cases mount, infamously violent Mexican cartels have joined in the aid efforts, posting their own photos to social media showing gang members distributing relief. The cartels are known to work to ingratiate themselves with the poor residents living where they base their bloody operations.
Guzman is serving time in a Colorado 'Supermax' prison.
CoVid-19 threatens the health and upsets normal life of billions people, causes hundred billions dollars in economic damages worldwide with still unknown long-term negative impacts. Did not look like WHO had the right people on scene to investigate before the start the outbreak. We need much stronger international organizations and mechanism to detect and contain pandemics.
The virus could have been contained and damages minimized but bungled by stupid low-level party cadres in Wuhan, China. Those responsible must be properly prosecuted to prevent recurrence, may be making the source country pay economic damages.
Individuals and countries should be held accountable for the damages by intention or negligence in front of the International Court. Countries must have incentives to clean up their acts. If not, we will see countries breeding other virus, causing more severe pandemics a few years down the road.
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2444050]
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.[/QUOTE]I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
But the sad reality is that China will not pay a dime for this. There's no negligence lawsuit between countries. China has sovereign immunity. The only way to get China to pay up is war, and I don't think that'll happen over a 2-week cover-up. It's not like China created the virus. Nature produced the virus. It was a lab screw-up exponentially magnified by a cover-up. Chernobyl multiplied by a million.
[QUOTE=SenorTJ;2444399]I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
But the sad reality is that China will not pay a dime for this. There's no negligence lawsuit between countries. China has sovereign immunity. The only way to get China to pay up is war, and I don't think that'll happen over a 2-week cover-up. It's not like China created the virus. Nature produced the virus. It was a lab screw-up exponentially magnified by a cover-up. Chernobyl multiplied by a million.[/QUOTE]I think China may pay economically. American politicians are owned by Chinese business interests, so doubt the US will do anything. But other countries are already trying to move production out of China. Japan has earmarked 2.2 billion dollars to help companies relocate production out of China and I'm sure others will do the same. There's talk of Good and Microsoft looking towards Vietnam / Thailand as alternates to China as well (easier said than done).
Who knows. Hope this deals a blow to their economy more than it does the rest of the world.
SenorTJ.
If we all ***** loudly and stroke our government, Commander in Chief Trump will find creative ways to make China pay for all damages.
I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2444683]SenorTJ.
If we all ***** loudly and stroke our government, Commander in Chief Trump will find creative ways to make China pay for all damages.
I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.[/QUOTE]You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.
The first death attributed to COVID-19 of a minor under 25 is reported in Tabasco on April 16, a two-year-old girl with Down syndrome and congenital heart disease. The government announced on April 16 that it will restrict transportation between areas of the country that are infected with COVID-19 (mostly large cities) and areas that are not infected, without specifying what areas are included or how it will be enforced. President Lpez Obrador also said that based upon current projections, the 979 municipalities that have not had reported cases of coronavirus will be able to reopen schools and workplaces on May 17; the date is June 1 for the 463 municipalities that have. The elderly and other vulnerable groups will still be requested to stay home, and physical distancing should remain in place until May 30. It is expected that the pandemic will end in the metropolitan area on June 25th.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2444050]CoVid-19 threatens the health and upsets normal life of billions people, causes hundred billions dollars in economic damages worldwide with still unknown long-term negative impacts. Did not look like WHO had the right people on scene to investigate before the start the outbreak. We need much stronger international organizations and mechanism to detect and contain pandemics.
The virus could have been contained and damages minimized but bungled by stupid low-level party cadres in Wuhan, China. Those responsible must be properly prosecuted to prevent recurrence, may be making the source country pay economic damages.
Individuals and countries should be held accountable for the damages by intention or negligence in front of the International Court. Countries must have incentives to clean up their acts. If not, we will see countries breeding other virus, causing more severe pandemics a few years down the road.
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.[/QUOTE]There is already a court case, here is the link "Lawsuit sues China for six trillion dollars in coronavirus reparations.
60 Minutes Australia" [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8[/URL].
StRobert.
Very good info.
The Berman Law Group in Florida has started a class-action law suit, claiming $6 trillion damages for individuals and businesses.
US courts may not have jurisdiction to trial China. It would have to be an internationals court. If won there are many ways to collect the judgement, seizing China-owned US Treasure bonds, ships, airplanes, government-owned properties ect.
Banks have won judgement against the government of Argentina and seized her ships for payment.
Causing $6 trillion of damages is the equivalent of seizing territories and enslaving the entire populations of America an Europe. It's a very serious offense.
The US government could default on trillion $ of treasury bonds owned by China's government. Debt collectors could seize all assets owned by China.
China has to learn to be honest and responsible with the rest of the word.
You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2444932]Causing $6 trillion of damages is the equivalent of seizing territories and enslaving the entire populations of America an Europe. It's a very serious offense.
The US government could default on trillion $ of treasury bonds owned by China's government. Debt collectors could seize all assets owned by China.
China has to learn to be honest and responsible with the rest of the word.
You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.[/QUOTE]People who think Chona will suffer any consequences for their lies and incompetence just don't seem to be paying attention.
The greedy corporations that suck ccp dick will do everything they can to protect Chinese interests, and the lying politicians who work for these corporations will continue to toe the line.
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2444979]People who think Chona will suffer any consequences for their lies and incompetence just don't seem to be paying attention.
The greedy corporations that suck ccp dick will do everything they can to protect Chinese interests, and the lying politicians who work for these corporations will continue to toe the line.[/QUOTE]La Chona challenge!
Chinas a horrible country which I've spent at least a 100 hours learning about from a utuber named serpentenza. Both before and since coronavirus. Once he left China 8 months ago he was able to really chew them to pieces. China, is Donald Trump, if he truly was a dictator and everyone had to just follow his orders. Trump even admits jealousy over its leader. If you know China, you know that it would be 100% impossible for it to admit fault. It's not in its customs to ever admit fault. So any government that expected or depended on China for ahead up would be a fool. With that being said, 90% countries would act like China did. Keep quiet, don't admit something terrible is going on. It took trump 5 weeks to close the border from 1st notification, as countries move slow in these things due to the ramifications economically and China is embarrassed. With all of that also being said, even if trump closed borders as soon as he found out, this disease, was here already, and if it wasnt it would be, no matter what anyone dis in any country, even China, once even 10 people had it, it was going to spread to the planet. I believe most people will get coronavirus before a vaccine is around. The media hype if vaccine is a fairy tale to keep the sheep indoors and quiet. It ain't comming for few years at best maybe never.
Many doctors and nurses are infected, cannot work. Many days there are no doctors on the Covid19 ward.
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-20/tijuana-hospitals-understaffed-coronavirus[/URL]
'Like a time bomb': Tijuana's hospitals under pressure and understaffed as coronavirus spreads.
By SANDRA DIBBLE, Wendy FRY April 20,20201:36 PM.
Tijuana — As Mexico faces rising numbers of coronavirus cases, Tijuana's Clinica 20 is just one more public hospital fighting on the front lines. The five-story facility in central Tijuana has too few doctors, limited equipment and the expectation that the patient load will only grow.
"From the time we got our first patient until we were full, it took only 10 days," said a doctor at Clinica 20. On the coronavirus ward, "many of the doctors and nurses are sick or on leave, and we have only about half the staff. Those who are there are working extremely hard, because there are few doctors and many patients with COVID-19."
Three doctors at Clinica 20 agreed to talk anonymously about their working conditions in the busy hospital. They said they had been forbidden from speaking publicly and risked losing their jobs if they were identified.
Each day, seven to nine suspected coronavirus patients at Clinica 20 are dying, with a similar number recovering enough to be sent home, one doctor said. By the time test results are returned, the patients often are already gone. "We weren't ready at the hospital for the situation to turn so serious in such little time," he said.
Clinica 20, officially called Regional General Hospital No. 20, is part of a network of hospitals funded through Mexico's social security institute, known as IMSS. Both of Tijuana's social security hospitals have been designated to treat coronavirus patients. A third public hospital — Tijuana's Hospital General — is also treating patients. It is operated by the state but supported with federal funds.
About 55 coronavirus patients were hospitalized at Clinica 20 last week. They have barely enough ventilators but have been able to cope, mainly because of the quick turnover of patients. Staff members who interact with coronavirus patients are getting protective equipment as stipulated by the World Health Organization. "The goggles are not the most adequate and the robes and gowns are not very high quality," a doctor said.
A few miles away, the staff at Hospital General is also dealing with the sudden onslaught of coronavirus patients. Dr. Pablo Villlaseñor, whose training is in rheumatology, said he turned to YouTube for guidance on how to safely put on and remove his disposable personal protective equipment when the first patients arrived in mid-March.
Federal health ministry figures show Baja California as one of the states with the highest number of confirmed cases. By Friday, Tijuana had counted 42 deaths, out of 72 statewide, according to the state's health ministry.
A woman is pre screened for COVID-19 by medical staff outside Hospital General Numero 1. (Alejandro Tamayo / The San Diego Union Tribune).
"This is not the worst it's going to get," said Dr. Clemente Zúñiga, an internist at Hospital General.
Zúñiga became infected three weeks ago after treating some of the hospital's first coronavirus patients and had to be hospitalized for seven days. He is now at home, preparing to return to work.
"It is very tense to work in the ward right now; we have a great team, and that's why we have survived," he said. "We know in two weeks we are going to have our hands full."
Tijuana's public hospitals are part of the complex and fragmented system that provides healthcare to a majority of Mexicans. The system has long suffered limitations, but the coronavirus pandemic has made its weaknesses increasingly apparent.
Over the years, it's a situation that's become "just like a time bomb," said Arturo Vargas Bustamante, a UCLA professor who has studied Mexico's healthcare system. "This pandemic revealed chronic under-investment in the public health system."
Some of those most vulnerable to the pandemic are the urban poor. Rodolfo de la Torre, an analyst at the Mexico City-based think tank Centro de Estudios Espinosa Yglesias said that, at some hospitals, the families of patients often have to supply medicine, bandages and other materials.
The system's underfunding "is an inherited problem, but it's a problem that this administration has not responded to," De la Torre said.
Clinica 20 has been in the spotlight across Mexico since a popular film and TV star, Eugenio Derbez, took to social media last week to call attention to the plight of the hospital's doctors. The actor's claim that medical staff lacked personal protection equipment such as goggles and N95 face masks generated a fierce social media rebuttal from a high-ranking administrator. But Baja California's governor, Jaime Bonilla, sided with Derbez and said that doctors in the state's social security hospitals were "dropping like flies."
Top officials with IMSS flew from Mexico City to Tijuana last week to conduct an inspection. They reported that 23 workers at the hospital had been infected with the virus, according to Reforma newspaper — including four in administrative positions. Epidemiologists reported that the contagion came both from inside and outside the hospital.
But it's unclear if those numbers were confirmed with testing. Due to a shortage of tests, only hospitalized patients are being tested, according to one doctor. Meanwhile, doctors with symptoms aren't being routinely tested and instead are sent home for 14 days of quarantine. "In my opinion, it's a way of hiding information, because the hospital does not want it known that many physicians are getting infected in this very hospital."
Clinica 20 is a 200-bed regional hospital that has served working and middle-class Tijuana residents for more than five decades. It sits off the Cinco why Diez intersection, a busy transportation hub for all corners of this city of 1. 8 million residents.
A block from the hospital on Friday morning, many people wore face masks as they rushed to and from bus stops and in and out of stores despite the city's stay-at-home recommendations.
Directly outside the facility, paramedics dressed in full hazmat suits disinfected an ambulance. Heavily protected staff directed lines of people outside the walk-in clinic, some of those waiting were coughing and wearing face masks.
Inside the hospital, anxiety has been mounting among many staff members, who complain they are not receiving N95 face masks and other protective equipment unless they are interacting directly with the suspected COVID-19 patients. Doctors say the IMSS is adhering to World Health Organization guidelines on personal protection equipment, but that is small comfort to other staff members.
"You never know if it's going to be your turn," a doctor said. "Someone who comes in with non-respiratory symptoms can be finally diagnosed with pneumonia."
A rush to buy protective equipment brought crowds of medical workers last week to a supply company in eastern Tijuana. Some two dozen people joined a queue, waiting for the opening of the warehouse — only to learn that supplies were sold out.
Public hospital workers said they were prepared to spend their own money for items such as face shields, goggles and coveralls. One nurse who is receiving protective gear when she is assigned to the coronavirus ward says one suit of gear isn't enough for an eight-hour shift. "Once you put it on, you cannot get a drink of water, you cannot go to the bathroom," the nurse said.
Growing numbers of Tijuana residents have been stepping forward to raise funds and gather donations for the beleaguered medical staffs. There have been cross-border efforts as well. The key will be coordinating among the different donors and hospitals, said Anne McEnany, president and CEO of the National City, Calif. -based International Community Foundation.
"We want to make sure that philanthropy is filling gaps that government is not covering, as opposed to trying to do everything," McEnany said.
Doctors say they are grateful for the donations. But they say the public can't fill their most pressing need: having enough staff to work with the growing numbers of COVID-19 patients.
At Hospital General, 12 doctors have so far tested positive for the coronavirus, said Dr. Villaseñor.
The staff shortage has meant that, on some shifts, no doctors are present on the coronavirus floor. The "patients are extremely ill, a great proportion of them are on ventilators, and under the effects of sedation," Villaseñor said. "This means they are extremely vulnerable.
Sandra Dibble and Wendy Fry are writers for the San Diego Union-Tribune. San Diego Union-Tribune staff writer Alexandra Mendoza contributed to this report.
Yea. And the democrats were shunning and complaining when he closed the border.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2445033]Chinas a horrible country which I've spent at least a 100 hours learning about from a utuber named serpentenza. Both before and since coronavirus. Once he left China 8 months ago he was able to really chew them to pieces. China, is Donald Trump, if he truly was a dictator and everyone had to just follow his orders. Trump even admits jealousy over its leader. If you know China, you know that it would be 100% impossible for it to admit fault. It's not in its customs to ever admit fault. So any government that expected or depended on China for ahead up would be a fool. With that being said, 90% countries would act like China did. Keep quiet, don't admit something terrible is going on. It took trump 5 weeks to close the border from 1st notification, as countries move slow in these things due to the ramifications economically and China is embarrassed. With all of that also being said, even if trump closed borders as soon as he found out, this disease, was here already, and if it wasnt it would be, no matter what anyone dis in any country, even China, once even 10 people had it, it was going to spread to the planet. I believe most people will get coronavirus before a vaccine is around. The media hype if vaccine is a fairy tale to keep the sheep indoors and quiet. It ain't comming for few years at best maybe never.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2445033] China is embarrassed. [/QUOTE]Losing Face.
NOTHING good comes from China.
Missouri is suing China over coronavirus impacts saying the country did 'little to stop the spread of the disease'.
By Christina Maxouris and Joe Sutton, CNN.
Updated 3:25 AM ET, Wed April 22,2020.
(CNN) Missouri is suing the Chinese government and other top institutions for the role they played in the coronavirus pandemic and the effects it has had on the state, accusing the country of covering up information, silencing whistleblowers and doing little to stop the spread of the disease, Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt announced Tuesday.
At least 6,105 people have been confirmed to have the virus in Missouri and at least 229 have died, according to numbers from Johns Hopkins University.
Schmitt, in his official role as attorney general of Missouri, filed the civil lawsuit in federal court in the eastern district of Missouri.
The lawsuit, the first of its kind, claims "Chinese authorities deceived the public, suppressed crucial information, arrested whistleblowers, denied human-to-human transmission in the face of mounting evidence, destroyed critical medical research, permitted millions of people to be exposed to the virus, and even hoarded personal protective equipment—thus causing a global pandemic that was unnecessary and preventable."
Legal experts have said the lawsuit faces an uphill battle because China is protected by sovereign immunity. CNN is reaching out to the Chinese government for comment.
Missouri's lawsuit alleges that while the Chinese medical community had indications of human-to-human transmission of the virus, they did not inform the World Health Organization when they first reported the outbreak.
It also alleges Chinese leaders did little to curb spread of the virus, still allowing thousands of people to travel to and out of Wuhan.
"In mid-January, on or around January 16, despite knowing the risks of doing so, Wuhan leaders hosted a potluck dinner for 40,000 residents, increasing the potential spread of the virus," it says. "Defendants allowed these massive public gatherings and massive exodus from Wuhan despite knowing the risks of COVID-19, including the risk of human-to-human transmission."
The filing also outlines how officials initially cracked down on medical professionals who posted information about the virus, including Dr. Li Wenliang, who was accused of rumor-mongering by the Wuhan police after sharing information about a new illness with his medical school alumni group. Wenliang later died of the virus.
The state also alleges China hoarded PPE while concealing the outbreak and that the small amounts they have released have been "faulty."
Those, among other actions taken by Chinese officials had a massive toll on human life and health and has led to "enormous" economic disruptions across the world, according to the lawsuit.
"Before the pandemic, Missouri had one of its lowest unemployment rates of the past decade, but on information and belief, Missouri's unemployment rate is now the highest it has been since the Great Depression," the suit claims. "Responding to the pandemic has required shutting down businesses, disrupting ordinary production and trade, and dislocating workers."
CNN's Chris Boyette and Hira Humayun contributed to this report.
[URL]https://www.borderreport.com/regions/california/covid-19-more-lethal-in-tijuana-than-sister-city-san-diego/[/URL]
COVID-19 more lethal in Tijuana than sister city San Diego California by: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Apr 22,2020 / 04:48 PM GMT-0600 / Updated: Apr 22,2020 / 04:48 PM GMT-0600.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — Despite having 76 percent fewer coronavirus cases, the Mexican city of Tijuana has almost the same number of COVID-19 deaths as San Diego County.
According to stats provided by Baja California's Secretary of Health, there have been 557 people infected with the virus in Tijuana, 86 of whom have died.
In San Diego County, 2,434 cases have been confirmed with 87 fatalities.
The results indicate that in Tijuana, 15 percent of those who get the virus will die, while in San Diego, the number is 3.5 percent.
Though the amount of testing being conducted can also result in a higher death rate, one of the primary reasons given for the disparity in numbers is that Tijuana significantly fewer respirators than San Diego.
And if the trend continues with escalating cases in Tijuana, they will run out of respirators by Saturday according to Alonso Perez, the state's Secretary of Health.
"We have 10 ventilators at our disposal in all the hospitals in Tijuana, we're trying to bring as many as we can get from neighboring communities such as Mexicali and Ensenada," Perez said.
He added that for every 12 people who test positive for COVID-19, one of them will require a respirator in Tijuana.
Perez said they are trying to acquire 60 ventilators from other public and private sources.
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Mexico is a wild and lawless country with lot of very rough an stupid people. That's why they need policia patrolling every street.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/whats-wrong-mexico-health-workers-100011741.html[/URL]
'What's wrong with you Mexico?' Health workers attacked amid Covid-19 fears.
Analy Nuño in Guadalajara The Guardian April 23,2020, 3:00 AM PDT.
Jovanna was walking home after a morning of hospital consultations when she heard a shout behind her. As she turned to look, she felt something wet in her face. Within seconds, her vision went cloudy and she smelled bleach.
"They picked me out because I was wearing scrubs," said the ear, nose and throat doctor from the Mexican city of Guadalajara, as she described the attack which left her with conjunctivitis and burns on her skin. "I didn't see anything – I don't know who it was, but I know they attacked another doctor on the same day. ".
In most of the world, medical staff have been lauded as heroes for their response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in Mexico, the growing number of Covid-19 cases has brought with it a wave of violence against nurses and doctors who have wrongly been accused of spreading the disease.
At least 21 medical workers have been attacked in 12 states across the country, according to Fabiana Zepeda, the head of nursing for the Mexican Social Security Institute.
Her voice breaking with emotion, Zepeda told reporters this week that many health workers had started to change out of their uniforms when they travelled to and from work, to avoid being targeted.
"I have worn my nurse's uniform for 27 years with great pride – as do doctors. But today we are taking off our uniforms because we don't want to be injured," she said.
So far, Mexico has seen 9,501 confirmed coronavirus cases, and 857 deaths, but health officials admit that the true infection level is at least eight times higher as the country has limited testing capacity.
On Tuesday, the health undersecretary Hugo López-Gatell who has led Mexico's response to the pandemic, announced that the virus had reached the stage of rapid spread, and warned that "a large number of infections and hospitalisations" were imminent.
The country's president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, drew criticism for initially downplaying the need for social distancing measures, and doctors and nurses have held protests and strikes over the lack of personnel and safety equipment.
Meanwhile, health workers have themselves been stigmatised and blamed for spreading the disease.
On social media, health workers have been targeted by trolls, but doctors and nurses have also been barred from their homes, denied service in restaurants and supermarkets, forced out of buses and metro carriages – and even attacked in the streets.
Sandra, a nurse in the city of San Luis Potosí described in a Facebook post how she was attacked by a woman and her two children as she left a coffee shop on her way to the hospital.
"She hit me in the face, and I had no choice but to defend myself. We ended up on the pavement, me trying to defend myself because I was proudly wearing my white uniform. I fractured two fingers on my right hand," she wrote.
"What's wrong with you, Mexico? We're just trying to go to work. I care for you – but you don't care for me. No more attacks on health workers!
Some health workers have been forced from their homes.
After an eight-hour shift attending to suspected coronavirus patients at the hospital in the northern tourist resort of San Francisco, Melody found that the road into her home village had been blockaded.
Angry residents had closed the village, Lo de Marcos, to tourists and health workers. Melody was eventually allowed in under police escort – but only to collect her belongings and leave the village.
"It was really painful. I was scared for my safety – and I even ended up wondering if I really was spreading the virus. Now I'm staying with colleagues from the hospital because I have nowhere else to go. It's not fair," she said.
Zepeda, the chief nurse, called on Mexicans to remember the sacrifices that medical workers are making in their response to the epidemic. So far 150 health workers have contracted Covid-19 and six have died. "We beg those people who have attacked doctors and nurses to reconsider," she said. "We could end up saving your lives. ".
A student detained without charges for 2 months came out praising the police. Of course he would praise the police after being threatened and tortures.
There are lots of evidences and witnesses to prove criminal intent of a China's government's abuses of its citizen and cover up of CoVid-19 break out in Wuhan. The rest of the world should make China pay $6 trillion damage.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral[/URL]#fang-was-arrested-on-February-10-14.
At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus — here's what we know about them.
Aylin Woodward Feb 20,2020, 8:06 AM.
Whistleblowers and citizen journalists in China are speaking out against the Chinese Communist Party and President Xi Jinping's handling of the coronavirus outbreak that originated in Wuhan.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang contracted the coronavirus after being silenced by local police. He died on February 7.
Other citizen journalists and critics in China have been censored or arrested after sharing information about the outbreak. Some have disappeared or are under surveillance.
More 75,000 people have gotten the coronavirus since December. (For the latest case total and death toll, see Business Insider's live updates here.).
Chinese law professor Xu Zhangrun recently posted a scathing review of the way president Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party have handled the coronavirus outbreak.
"They all blithely stood by as the crucial window of opportunity to deal with the outbreak of the infection snapped shut in their faces," he wrote, suggesting that government censorship of information about the coronavirus hampered China's ability to control its spread.
Xu, who teaches at Beijing's Tsinghua University, added: "The cause of all of this lies with The Axlerod that is, Xi Jinping and the cabal that surrounds him."
The essay, published online February 10, was immediately taken down. Xu was placed under house arrest, cut off from the internet, and scrubbed from all social media sites, The Guardian reported.
His critique came three days after Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang died of the coronavirus. Li had sent a message to a group of medical school alumni, warning them about a mysterious new illness. But local police reprimanded and silenced him.
In addition to Li and Xu, at least three citizen journalists have disappeared or were arrested after sharing information about the outbreak on social media.
Here's what we know about all five of them.
A friend of Xu told The Guardian that the professor was placed under house arrest after he returned to Beijing following the Lunar New Year celebration.
"They confined him at home under the pretext that he had to be quarantined after the trip," the friend said. "he was in fact under de facto house arrest and his movements were restricted. ".
I understand that Professor #XuZhangrun is effectively under house arrest and barred from social media & internet. I am sharing his essay 'Viral Alarm: When Fury Overcomes Fear' to help keep his message alive. Pleases share if you can. [URL]http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/viewpoint/viral-alarm-when-fury-overcomes-fear[/URL] .
The Guardian reported that guards were patrolling outside Xu's home last week, though they have since left. Xu remains incommunicado.
The law professor's name is notably absent from China's Weibo social network.
Xu's access to the internet has been cut off, and his social media account on China's WeChat messaging platform was shut down.
Logos of Chinese instant messaging apps WeChat and Bullet Messenger as seen in September 2018. Florence Lo / Illustration / Reuters.
According to The Guardian, many of Xu's friends have been unable to get in touch with him for days. One of the professor's friends anonymously reported that they had managed to text him but feared Xu was under surveillance.
"he has not directly responded (to my queries) but just told me not to worry," the friend told The Guardian.
Xu's essay ended with an ominous acknowledgement: "I can now all too easily predict that I will be subjected to new punishments; indeed, this may well even be the last piece I write. ".
This isn't the first time Xu has been punished for "speech crimes," according to his essay.
In 2018, he was placed under investigation by Tsinghua University after publishing another essay criticizing Xi Jinping.
"I was suspended from my job as a university lecturer and cashiered as a professor, reduced to a minor academic rank," he wrote, adding, "my freedoms have been curtailed ever since. ".
Another activist, Xu Zhiyong, published an article on social media this month urging Xi Jinping to step down.
The recent post from Xu, a civil-rights lawyer and public intellectual, called out the Chinese president for his "inability to handle major crises," according to the South China Morning Post.
Xu previously served four years in prison for his legal activism. He was arrested again on February 15 after being on run for two months following a police crackdown on a meeting of human-rights lawyers and activists that he attended in Xiamen.
The WeChat message Li sent to his medical-school contacts on December 30 told them about seven patients with an unknown virus. They had all worked at or visited the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.
The same day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission published a notice warning that some people had contracted a type of pneumonia, possibly at the market. But the commission said "organizations or individuals are not allowed to release treatment information to the public without authorization," CNN reported.
Screenshots of Li's message had already gone viral, though.
"When I saw them circulating online, I realized that it was out of my control and I would probably be punished," Li told CNN.
A screenshot of the letter Li signed on January 3. Weibo.
Four days after sharing the message, Li was summoned to a police station. Authorities told him that his warning was illegal and had "severely disturbed the social order," the BBC reported.
According to the BBC, the letter he was told to sign read: "We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice — is that understood?
Beneath that, Li wrote, "Yes, I do. ".
Li was not detained, and he returned to work.
After his release, Li unknowingly treated a woman infected with the coronavirus. Two days later, he checked himself into the hospital after showing symptoms. He died less than a month later.
While sick in the intensive care unit, Li continued to post on his Weibo account.
"I was wondering why the government's official notices were still saying there was no human-to-human transmission, and there were no healthcare workers infected," Li wrote on January 31 from his hospital bed, according to CNN.
Days before his death, he told the New York Times that officials could have done better at sharing information about the coronavirus at the beginning of the outbreak.
"I think it would have been a lot better. There should be more openness and transparency," he said.
Following Li's death, Chinese lawyer and citizen journalist Chen Qiushi went missing.
Chen traveled to Wuhan in late January and uploaded more than 100 posts from Wuhan to his Twitter and Youtube accounts over two weeks. His videos showed overwhelmed hospitals and medical wards.
Chen's friends and family have been unable to reach him since February 6, according to posts on his Twitter account. They say he was forcibly quarantined by Wuhan police. Chen's Weibo account — which had more than 740,000 followers — was shut down on the day of his disappearance, according to his friends and family.
On January 30, Chen uploaded a video to his YouTube channel in which he said police had called him wanting to know where he was and had questioned his parents, according to the Associated Press.
"In front of me is the virus, and behind me is the legal and administrative power of China," he said in the video. "Even death doesn't scare me! Do you think I'm scared of the Communist Party?
Chen's mother uploaded a video onto Chen's Twitter account after his disappearance, begging for help to find her son.
The Wuhan and Qingdao city police said they had no information about Chen's whereabouts when contacted by CNN.
This wasn't the first time Chen has been silenced by Chinese officials.
In this image from video taken Feb. 4, 2020 and released by Chen Qiushi, Chinese citizen journalist Chen Qiushi speaks in front of a convention center-turned makeshift hospital amid a viral epidemic in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. Armed with smart phones and social media accounts, Chen and other citizen journalists in China are telling stories from the deadly epidemic in their own words, defying the ruling Communist Party's monopoly on information. Chen disappeared last week after garnering millions of views online. (Courtesy of Chen Qiushi via AP).
Chinese citizen journalist Chen Qiushi speaks in front of a convention center turned into a makeshift hospital in Wuhan. This image is from video taken February 4, 2020. Chen Qiushi via AP.
Chen traveled to Hong Kong in August to report on the protests there. After his trip, all of his social media accounts were deleted, he told Quartz in early February.
So this time, he added, "I gave my overseas friends all the passwords to my social media accounts like YouTube, and if I don't contact them for 12 hours they will change the passwords. ".
One of Chen's friends, Xu Xiaodong, posted an update on YouTube February 9 saying Chen had been "detained in the name of quarantine" for two weeks, despite showing no symptoms of the virus. According to the AP, Xu also said on Twitter that day that no one had been able to get in touch with Chen in quarantine.
"I risked my life to post the videos," Chen told Quartz, and added: "If I get arrested they could force me to delete all my videos on YouTube and Twitter, and that would be a great blow to me. ".
Blogger Fang Bin also got a call from the police in Wuhan. Authorities confiscated his laptop from his home on February 1 and brought him in for questioning. Fang filmed the encounter.
Fang told The LOS Angeles Times that authorities ordered him to stop posting "rumors" that would "spread panic" online.
The police released him the next morning. Fang posted a video suggesting that he was released because of the outpouring of support for his freedom on social media.
A video Fang posted on February 1 showed a hospital in Wuhan where eight body bags were being loaded onto the back of a truck. The footage also showed an overwhelmed medical clinic. It went viral.
After his release, Fang continued posting videos from hospitals across Wuhan.
"This pneumonia we see today, this Wuhan flu, it's both a natural disaster and a man-made problem," he said in one of his videos. "That's because they've covered up the facts. They muffled Li Wenliang for telling the truth. ".
Fang was arrested on February 10.
He refused to leave his home, according to Vice, so firefighters broke down the door after police surrounded the apartment.
The last video Fang posted to his YouTube channel came on February 9. In it, he repeated again and again: "All citizens resist, hand power back to the people!
The Los Angeles Times published an article on April 19,2020 entitled "California lessons from the 1918 pandemic: San Francisco dithered; LOS Angeles acted and saved lives".
Here's my summary:
In the current COVID-19 pandemic, San Francisco was about a week ahead of LOS Angeles in responding. This is the exact opposite of what happened in 1918 in response to the Spanish Flu.
LOS Angeles had the first signs of a second peak mid-September 1918 when Sailors on a Navy ship in San Pedro Naval Base fell ill. By Oct 11, LOS Angeles moved to close down bars, pool halls, movie theaters, sporting event, church services and included an order to stop filming mob scenes for movies under production. LOS Angeles did not require masks except for those in contact with the sick. Civic group were successful in getting hotel rooms set aside for the poor and infirm. LOS Angeles lifted it's social distancing restrictions on Dec 2.
The first influenza case appeared in San Francisco about the same time. They did not shut down "All Places of Public Amusement" until Oct 18, but did not include churches. In San Francisco they went big on gauze masks ordering everyone to wear a mask on Oct 25. Those who did not were fined $5. San Franciscan lifted Social Distancing on Nov 16. On Nov 21 at noon the requirement to wear masks were lifted.
In all, LOS Angeles was practicing social distancing 23 days longer than San Francisco. However, a quick surge in LOS Angeles led to a re-closing of schools which remained closed until February 1919. San Francisco also had a quick surge and ordered masks back in place Jan 10 which would remain in place until February.
Results:
LOS Angeles experienced an excess death rate (The number of deaths above yearly expectations) of 494 per 100,000 residents. San Francisco experienced 673 excess deaths per 100,000.
In the current COVID-19 pandemic San Francisco started mandatory social distancing on March 11. LOS Angeles followed on March 15. Governor Gavin Newsom made staying at home statewide at midnight, March 19th. Gavin Newsom was first to marry gay men & the first governor to take effective action in fighting COVID-19, & in teaching new generations a 102 year-old lesson.
Seems the main thing LA could have done better 102 years ago, was to require more mask usage, which seems to be helping a lot in cities that are opening up now. Wuhan was shut down for 76 days, beginning January 22nd. Wuhan requires wearing masks in public, ever since re-opening on April 4th. (One of these dates must be wrong, since I only count 73 days, including 1/22 & 4/4). If you believe China's statistics (& other cities) that new infections are at or close to 0 with everyone in masks, then a clear path for opening up countries and areas can be seen.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2441133]Just the fact that this smarmy weasel got elected shows how far down the rabbit hole California has gone. CA is doomed.[/QUOTE]Thank god that Gavin Newsom was here when California needed him.
Plasma treatment in Tijuana?
Stay at Home Order.
New York 14 percent and= 3000.
California:
Northern 2 to 4 percent Stanford Study and=3000.
Southern 5 percent USC / LA and= 1000.
One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus. He argues that eventually every one in the world will be infected sooner or later. There are no cures for the virus, only treating symptoms and assisting them with ventilators.
He said government social distance enforcement only aim to flatten out the infection and death curves, pushing infection and death incidents out to the future, may be indefinitely, just so that hospitals don't run out of beds and doctors. US death rate is 55.383 over 330 mil population or about 1 in 6,000 to date. There will be more death in May and death rate will be higher.
China claims 4,642 death to date with a population of 1.52 bil or 1 death per 327,000, 50 times lower than US, and much much lower than Italy, Spain, France, WTF? This figure is not credible, even ridiculous, unless China is full of supermen and superwomen hehe.
I have been going to stores, food, markets, banks ect a few times every week since the lock down. Have not got infected yet. Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. So if La Zona opens back up, a few trips to party with the chicas won't infect or kill anyone. The chicas may even have anti bodies they can donate via DFKs.
Probability of contracting and dying with this virus is very low. Perhaps we should not be so scared. My wingman is a very careful guy. So I will wait for him.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2446627]One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases...
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus.[/QUOTE]And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.
[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2447455]And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.[/QUOTE]The annual flu vaccine is only moderately effective, due to the mutations that occur, which is exactly Captain's point. And with that "vaccine", we still have 60,000 per year die. I think the science, when it is allowed to be heard, instead of being distorted by politicians, will show exactly what the Captain believes. Your chances of dying from this virus are very minuscule. Obviously, it depends on your age and overall health.
But Captain, your wingman is exactly right. This lockdown solved absolutely nothing. It did slow the inevitable outcome. It did protect our healthcare system from being completely overrun. But as restrictions ease, we will undoubtedly experience an uptick. Many will point to the easing of restrictions as the cause. But they need to consider exactly what you said. The outcome was just delayed.
I read about Sweden and others, and about how herd immunity doesn't work. That's a false argument. What are we comparing it to? Because I haven't seen an alternative, other than stay at home. That is not a solution, nor is it viable any longer.
You don't have to be an epidemiologist to use common sense and think for yourself.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2447651]The annual flu vaccine is only moderately effective, due to the mutations that occur, which is exactly Captain's point. And with that "vaccine", we still have 60,000 per year die. I think the science, when it is allowed to be heard, instead of being distorted by politicians, will show exactly what the Captain believes. Your chances of dying from this virus are very minuscule. Obviously, it depends on your age and overall health.
But Captain, your wingman is exactly right. This lockdown solved absolutely nothing. It did slow the inevitable outcome. It did protect our healthcare system from being completely overrun. But as restrictions ease, we will undoubtedly experience an uptick. Many will point to the easing of restrictions as the cause. But they need to consider exactly what you said. The outcome was just delayed.
I read about Sweden and others, and about how herd immunity doesn't work. That's a false argument. What are we comparing it to? Because I haven't seen an alternative, other than stay at home. That is not a solution, nor is it viable any longer.
You don't have to be an epidemiologist to use common sense and think for yourself.[/QUOTE]ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.
Immunity to Ro = 30+, South Korea was able to contain the spread.
California at peak 3 to 4 SNF, NYC. Ro Max at SNF and assisted living.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2446627]One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus. He argues that eventually every one in the world will be infected sooner or later. There are no cures for the virus, only treating symptoms and assisting them with ventilators.
He said government social distance enforcement only aim to flatten out the infection and death curves, pushing infection and death incidents out to the future, may be indefinitely, just so that hospitals don't run out of beds and doctors. US death rate is 55.383 over 330 mil population or about 1 in 6,000 to date. There will be more death in May and death rate will be higher.
China claims 4,642 death to date with a population of 1.52 bil or 1 death per 327,000, 50 times lower than US, and much much lower than Italy, Spain, France, WTF? This figure is not credible, even ridiculous, unless China is full of supermen and superwomen hehe..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2447455]And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.[/QUOTE]Covid does mutate. Already they believe theres different versions of it. If you want acurate info you. Eed to use Google but find articles from other countries. Everything the usa government says today, and acts like its breaking. Eqs, was reported months ago. All of it. The very low death rate was reported the 1st week in Italy. The doctors knew if they were able to test all people not just those on deaths door the death rate would by decreased alot. Pretty much this disease is on par with the flue it's just that it's new. If the news covered home invasion robberies in every city, the way they cover covid nobody would want to go home at night. I'm a Democrat too but I can see this for what it is since I read all news sources not just liberal ones.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2446627] Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. [/QUOTE]How do you figure that?
[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2447455]...Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu...[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter what the news media is reporting. In fact, there are millions of random mutations, the vast majority of which are not significant. This is what enables them to track the spread of the different strains. CV is a RNA virus, which typically are more mutable than DNA viruses. RNA viruses have high mutation rates that result in several slightly different versions of the genome being made each time it is replicated. This creates a viral population with diverse genomes, which caused me to erroneously predict earlier that there would never be an effective vaccine. However, for some reason which I obviously don't understand, there are four conserved structural proteins among the different strains, notably the "spike" protein. Apparently, somehow, these key proteins are very stable across the known mutations. I guess, you can sort of see why from an evolutionary POV.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2447829]How do you figure that?[/QUOTE]Insects & other pests will be the last to survive.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2447711]ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.[/QUOTE]64,603 is not rhetoric. I'm just outing you because you post as if it's OK for you to contribute to those deaths.
Many people die from car accidents and medical malpractice every year. Should we ban driving if it saves one life? Peddling FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) and doom porn to those not at risk of serious consequences is getting lame. Those who are obese, over 70, diabetic or with lung problems should quarantine themselves as the nursing homes are being heavily struck as they are filled with old and sick people. Those who are not at risk should take advantage of the travel and hotel deals if they take appropriate precautions, such as taking HCQ or tonic aka Quinine water with zinc. I have posted several articles on this blog detailing that out of 65000 users of HCQ, only 20 contracted the China flu with no mortality with a followup article from the NIH, run by Dr. Fauci, in 2005 stating that HCQ had preventative and curative effects on the SARS Coronavirus. Take basic precautions and enjoy the summer!
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2447711]ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2447843]64,603 is not rhetoric. I'm just outing you because you post as if it's OK for you to contribute to those deaths.[/QUOTE]You're pretty off the rails man and completely oblivious to what me and several others are calling out in your posts but hey I can't stop you from believing everything you see and hear on the news. You consistently twist my posts and make petty attacks on me even though I haven't been in Tijuana for weeks. Many on this board have visited Tijuana and posted on the ground reports this week, last week and the week before that. Where is your venom for them? I haven't even been down there in well over a month yet you demonize me. I really don't get it, but I do sense that you have anger management issues and should consider seeking help for that.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2447981]You're pretty off the rails man and completely oblivious to what me and several others are calling out in your posts but hey I can't stop you from believing everything you see and hear on the news. You consistently twist my posts and make petty attacks on me even though I haven't been in Tijuana for weeks. Many on this board have visited Tijuana and posted on the ground reports this week, last week and the week before that. Where is your venom for them? I haven't even been down there in well over a month yet you demonize me. I really don't get it, but I do sense that you have anger management issues and should consider seeking help for that.[/QUOTE]I'll say this, not knowing either of you. But one of the real tragedies of this whole mess is how fear has overtaken many rational minds. Those that preach follow the data can't appreciate how the data has been manipulated. They accept the doom and gloom because, well, who wants to die? We'll do everything we can to stay alive, won't we? But they never realize that this shutdown has not solved a thing. Yet somehow, it's the only answer. But for some, fear has taken the ability to think.
I truly am not calling you out, Ed. I don't even mean it as a criticism. I just ask that you look at all of the evidence and not consume only the bad.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2448170]I'll say this, not knowing either of you. But one of the real tragedies of this whole mess is how fear has overtaken many rational minds. Those that preach follow the data can't appreciate how the data has been manipulated. They accept the doom and gloom because, well, who wants to die? We'll do everything we can to stay alive, won't we? But they never realize that this shutdown has not solved a thing. Yet somehow, it's the only answer. But for some, fear has taken the ability to think.
I truly am not calling you out, Ed. I don't even mean it as a criticism. I just ask that you look at all of the evidence and not consume only the bad.[/QUOTE]Well said.
I will say that it seems those who scream the loudest about not discontinuing the shutdown are the most privileged. Most don't have to worry about a paycheck, or where their next meal is coming from. They claim we're all in this together, yet act so extremely selfish and self-righteous. Why can't we all have some empathy for the barber who is "non-essential" and can't earn a living or pay his shop rent? How about the poor Mexican laborer who is, literally, starving? The fabrica worker who lives day to day and now can't feed her kids? The waitress walking the streets looking for work where there is none? The small business owner who is now watching his life's work slowly die, killed by overreaching, dictatorial politicians? Does nobody give a shit anymore? I, personally, know people in every one of those above examples, and more besides. And nobody gives a fart in a windstorm. All I hear is "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that *I* will be safe. " After two or three months of no income, it will take the average family years to recover. Imagine having to catch up on two or three back mortgage payments, plus the same number of credit card bills, plus utilities, and on and on, while keeping current with the new bills. Does anybody give a shit? No! Fuck 'them. It's for their own good.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2448257]Well said.
I will say that it seems those who scream the loudest about not discontinuing the shutdown are the most privileged. Most don't have to worry about a paycheck, or where their next meal is coming from. They claim we're all in this together, yet act so extremely selfish and self-righteous. Why can't we all have some empathy for the barber who is "non-essential" and can't earn a living or pay his shop rent? How about the poor Mexican laborer who is, literally, starving? The fabrica worker who lives day to day and now can't feed her kids? The waitress walking the streets looking for work where there is none? The small business owner who is now watching his life's work slowly die, killed by overreaching, dictatorial politicians? Does nobody give a shit anymore? I, personally, know people in every one of those above examples, and more besides. And nobody gives a fart in a windstorm. All I hear is "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that *I* will be safe. " After two or three months of no income, it will take the average family years to recover. Imagine having to catch up on two or three back mortgage payments, plus the same number of credit card bills, plus utilities, and on and on, while keeping current with the new bills. Does anybody give a shit? No! Fuck 'them. It's for their own good.[/QUOTE]You are equating hardship with death. The fact that the sacrifice is not equally shared is an excuse you use to justify your false equivalency.
What happens if a coronavirus vaccine is never developed? It has happened before.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html[/URL]
By Rob Picheta, CNN Updated 9:39 AM ET, Sun May 3, 2020.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern speaks at a briefing on the coronavirus pandemic at Parliament on April 27,2020 in Wellington, New Zealand. New Zealand will drop to Alert Level 3 of lockdown at 11:59 pm on April 27. New Zealand has been in in full lockdown since March 26 in an effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 across the country. Under the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 measures, all non-essential businesses have been closed, including bars, restaurants, cinemas and playgrounds. All indoor and outdoor events are banned, while schools have switched to online learning. Essential services remain open, including supermarkets and pharmacies.
What went wrong with UK's initial Covid-19 response?
London (CNN) As countries lie frozen in lockdown and billions of people lose their livelihoods, public figures are teasing a breakthrough that would mark the end of the crippling coronavirus pandemic: a vaccine.
But there is another, worst-case possibility: that no vaccine is ever developed. In this outcome, the public's hopes are repeatedly raised and then dashed, as various proposed solutions fall before the final hurdle.
Instead of wiping out Covid-19, societies may instead learn to live with it. Cities would slowly open and some freedoms will be returned, but on a short leash, if experts' recommendations are followed. Testing and physical tracing will become part of our lives in the short term, but in many countries, an abrupt instruction to self-isolate could come at any time. Treatments may be developed -- but outbreaks of the disease could still occur each year, and the global death toll would continue to tick upwards.
It's a path rarely publicly countenanced by politicians, who are speaking optimistically about human trials already underway to find a vaccine. But the possibility is taken very seriously by many experts -- because it's happened before. Several times.
"There are some viruses that we still do not have vaccines against," says Dr. David Nabarro, a professor of global health at Imperial College London, who also serves as a special envoy to the World Health Organization on Covid-19. "We can't make an absolute assumption that a vaccine will appear at all, or if it does appear, whether it will pass all the tests of efficacy and safety.
"It's absolutely essential that all societies everywhere get themselves into a position where they are able to defend against the coronavirus as a constant threat, and to be able to go about social life and economic activity with the virus in our midst," Nabarro tells CNN.
Most experts remain confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will eventually be developed; in part because, unlike previous diseases like HIV and malaria, the coronavirus does not mutate rapidly.
Many, including National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anthony Fauci, suggest it could happen in a year to 18 months. Other figures, like England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty, have veered towards the more distant end of the spectrum, suggesting that a year may be too soon.
But even if a vaccine is developed, bringing it to fruition in any of those time frames would be a feat never achieved before.
"We've never accelerated a vaccine in a year to 18 months," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, tells CNN. "It doesn't mean it's impossible, but it will be quite a heroic achievement.
"We need plan A, and a plan be," he says.
When vaccines don't work.
In 1984, the US Secretary of Health and Human Services Margaret Heckler announced at a press conference in Washington, DC, that scientists had successfully identified the virus that later became known as HIV -- and predicted that a preventative vaccine would be ready for testing in two years.
Nearly four decades and 32 million deaths later, the world is still waiting for an HIV vaccine.
Instead of a breakthrough, Heckler's claim was followed by the loss of much of a generation of gay men and the painful shunning of their community in Western countries. For many years, a positive diagnosis was not only a death sentence; it ensured a person would spend their final months abandoned by their communities, while doctors debated in medical journals whether HIV patients were even worth saving.
The search didn't end in the 1980's. In 1997, President Bill Clinton challenged the US to come up with a vaccine within a decade. Fourteen years ago, scientists said we were still about 10 years away.
The difficulties in finding a vaccine began with the very nature of HIV / AIDS itself. "Influenza is able to change itself from one year to the next so the natural infection or immunization the previous year doesn't infect you the following year. HIV does that during a single infection," explains Paul Offit, a pediatrician and infectious disease specialist who co-invented the rotavirus vaccine.
"It continues to mutate in you, so it's like you're infected with a thousand different HIV strands," Offit tells CNN. "(And) while it is mutating, it's also crippling your immune system. ".
HIV poses very unique difficulties and Covid-19 does not possess its level of elusiveness, making experts generally more optimistic about finding a vaccine.
But there have been other diseases that have confounded both scientists and the human body. An effective vaccine for dengue fever, which infects as many as 400,000 people a year according to the WHO, has eluded doctors for decades. In 2017, a large-scale effort to find one was suspended after it was found to worsen the symptoms of the disease.
Similarly, it's been very difficult to develop vaccines for the common rhinoviruses and adenoviruses -- which, like coronaviruses, can cause cold symptoms. There's just one vaccine to prevent two strains of adenovirus, and it's not commercially available.
"You have high hopes, and then your hopes are dashed," says Nabarro, describing the slow and painful process of developing a vaccine. "We're dealing with biological systems, we're not dealing with mechanical systems. It really depends so much on how the body reacts."
Human trials are already underway at Oxford University in England for a coronavirus vaccine made from a chimpanzee virus, and in the US for a different vaccine, produced by Moderna.
However, it is the testing process -- not the development -- that holds up and often scuppers the production of vaccines, adds Hotez, who worked on a vaccine to protect against SARS. "The hard part is showing you can prove that it works and it's safe."
Plan b.
If the same fate befalls a Covid-19 vaccine, the virus could remain with us for many years. But the medical response to HIV / AIDS still provides a framework for living with a disease we can't stamp out.
"In HIV, we've been able to make that a chronic disease with antivirals. We've done what we've always hoped to do with cancer," Offit says. "It's not the death sentence it was in the 1980's."
The groundbreaking development of a daily preventative pill -- pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP -- has since led to hundreds of thousands of people at risk of contracting HIV being protected from the disease.
A number of treatments are likewise being tested for Covid-19, as scientists hunt for a Plan be in parallel to the ongoing vaccine trials, but all of those trials are in very early stages. Scientists are looking at experimental anti-Ebola drug remdesivir, while blood plasma treatments are also being explored. Hydroxychloroquine, touted as a potential "game changer" by US President Donald Trump, has so found been found not to work on very sick patients.
"The drugs they've chosen are the best candidates," says Keith Neal, Emeritus Professor in the Epidemiology of Infectious Diseases at the University of Nottingham. The problem, he says, has been the "piecemeal approach" to testing them.
"We have to do randomized controlled trials. It's ridiculous that only recently have we managed to get that off the ground," Neal, who reviews such tests for inclusion in medical journals, tells CNN. "The papers that I'm getting to look at -- I'm just rejecting them on the grounds that they're not properly done. ".
Now those fuller trials are off the ground, and if one of those drugs works for Covid-19 the signs should emerge "within weeks," says Neal. The first may already have arrived; the US Food and Drug Administration told CNN it is in talks to make remdesivir available to patients after positive signs it could speed up recovery from the coronavirus.
The knock-on effects of a successful treatment would be felt widely; if a drug can decrease a patient's average time spent in ICU even by by a few days, it would free up hospital capacity and could therefore greatly increase the willingness of governments to open up society.
But how effective a treatment is would depend on which one works -- remdesivir is not in high supply internationally and scaling up its production would cause problems.
And crucially, any treatment won't prevent infections occurring in society -- meaning the coronavirus would be easier to manage and the pandemic would subside, but the disease could be with us many years into the future.
If a vaccine can't be produced, life will not remain as it is now. It just might not go back to normal quickly.
"The lockdown is not sustainable economically, and possibly not politically," says Neal. "So we need other things to control it."
That means that, as countries start to creep out of their paralyses, experts would push governments to implement an awkward new way of living and interacting to buy the world time in the months, years or decades until Covid-19 can be eliminated by a vaccine.
"It is absolutely essential to work on being Covid-ready," Nabarro says. He calls for a new "social contract" in which citizens in every country, while starting to go about their normal lives, take personal responsibility to self-isolate if they show symptoms or come into contact with a potential Covid-19 case.
It means the culture of shrugging off a cough or light cold symptoms and trudging into work should be over. Experts also predict a permanent change in attitudes towards remote working, with working from home, at least on some days, becoming a standard way of life for white collar employees. Companies would be expected to shift their rotas so that offices are never full unnecessarily.
"It (must) become a way of behaving that we all ascribe to personal responsibility. Treating those who are isolated as heroes rather than pariahs," says Nabarro. "A collective pact for survival and well-being in the face of the threat of the virus.
"It's going to be difficult to do in poorer nations," he adds, so finding ways to support developing countries will become "particularly politically tricky, but also very important. " he cites tightly packed refugee and migrant settlements as areas of especially high concern.
In the short term, Nabarro says a vast program of testing and contact tracing would need to be implemented to allow life to function alongside Covid-19 -- one which dwarfs any such program ever established to fight an outbreak, and which remains some time away in major countries like the US and the UK.
"Absolutely critical is going to be having a public health system in place that includes contact tracing, diagnosis in the workplace, monitoring for syndromic surveillance, early communication on whether we have to re-implement social distancing," adds Hotez. "It's doable, but it's complicated and we really haven't done it before."
America's 'new normal' will be anything but ordinary.
America's 'new normal' will be anything but ordinary.
Those systems could allow for some social interactions to return. "If there's minimal transmission, it may indeed be possible to open things up for sporting events" and other large gatherings, says Hotez -- but such a move would not be permanent and would continually be assessed by governments and public health bodies.
That means the the Premier League, NFL and other mass events could go ahead with their schedules as long as athletes are getting regularly tested, and welcome in fans for weeks at a time -- perhaps separated within the stands -- before quickly shutting stadiums if the threat rises.
"Bars and pubs are probably last on the list as well, because they are overcrowded," suggests Neal. "They could reopen as restaurants, with social distancing. " Some European countries have signaled they will start allowing restaurants to serve customers at vastly reduced capacity.
Restrictions are most likely to come back over the winter, with Hotez suggesting that Covid-19 peaks could occur every winter until a vaccine is introduced.
And lockdowns, many of which are in the process of gradually being lifted, could return at any moment. "From time to time there will be outbreaks, movement will be restricted -- and that may apply to parts of a country, or it may even apply to a whole country," Nabarro says.
Wuhan shows the world that normal is still some time away.
The more time passes, the more imposing becomes the hotly debated prospect of herd immunity -- reached when the majority of a given population, around 70% to 90%, becomes immune to an infectious disease. "That does to some extent limit spread," Offit says -- "although population immunity caused by natural infection is not the best way to provide population immunity. The best way is with a vaccine. ".
Measles is the "perfect example," says Offit -- before vaccines became widespread, "every year 2 to 3 million people would get measles, and that would be true here too. " In other words, the amount of death and suffering from Covid-19 would be vast even if a large portion of the population is not susceptible.
All of these predictions are tempered by a general belief that a vaccine will, eventually, be developed. "I do think there'll be vaccine -- there's plenty of money, there's plenty of interest and the target is clear," Offit says.
But if previous outbreaks have proven anything, it's that hunts for vaccines are unpredictable. "I don't think any vaccine has been developed quickly," Offit cautions. "I'd be really amazed if we had something in 18 months."
In Mexico, per Wikipedia:
According to the Secretariat of Health, there are three phases before the disease (COVID-19) can be considered as an epidemic in the country:
Phase 1 Viral Import Start February 28, 2020 End March 23, 2020.
People with the virus caught the disease outside Mexico and there are no cases of local transmission.
A limited number of people are infected with the virus.
There are no restrictions on greetings between people.
Public events remain permitted in all settings.
Phase 2 Community Transmission Start March 24, 2020 End April 20, 2020.
Community transmission: cases are reported between people who have not had contact with foreigners.
The number of confirmed cases has increased rapidly.
Large public events are no longer permitted.
Classes are suspended and people are encouraged to work from home.
Phase 3 Epidemic Start April 21, 2020 End TBA.
Widespread transmission: thousands of cases would have been reported in multiple locations across the country.
Schools and workplaces with active outbreaks would be shuttered.
Implementation of stricter health protocols would occur.
A general quarantine of the population may become necessary.
[QUOTE=Jackflash4;2448275]You are equating hardship with death. The fact that the sacrifice is not equally shared is an excuse you use to justify your false equivalency.[/QUOTE]The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2448347]The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.[/QUOTE]You bring up valid points Phordphan. People from different economic classes are definitely feeling the pinch differently than those who are financially stable. It is totally understandable why many people want and NEED to get back to work. The states are listening and in return they are willing to accept the consequences. This is democracy in action. Unfortunately I fear the outcome will be anything but democratic. Those who can will just watch until they feel safe to venture out.
Everyone is going to be responsible for themselves during this. Too many unknowns and it is clear that the Govt cannot protect you from everything nor is 100% of the information valid.
Working together in trusted communities to share valuable information is key to not getting too emotionally involved to where your thinking is more reactive than strategic.
In Short:
Things will open back up within the next two weeks. My advice would be to let them and stay BACK if you can or at the very least monitor your social distancing for another 2 weeks to see where the openings take us.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2446627]One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2448317]Most experts remain confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will eventually be developed; in part because, unlike previous diseases like HIV and malaria, the coronavirus does not mutate rapidly.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2446627]I have been going to stores, food, markets, banks ect a few times every week since the lock down. Have not got infected yet. Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. So if La Zona opens back up, a few trips to party with the chicas won't infect or kill anyone. The chicas may even have anti bodies they can donate via DFKs.
Probability of contracting and dying with this virus is very low. Perhaps we should not be so scared. My wingman is a very careful guy. So I will wait for him.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.
Why would you want to come out from shelter when infection rates haven't sufficiently declined? Or not declined at all?
In many states the rate has not declined, only its rate of increase has declined.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases. Similar for Spain. We might be experiencing a lower death rate in the United States than the rate in Italy. But our death rate in the United States health "system" is only around half or a third of of that of Italy, NOT 110 times lower.
[QUOTE=Phordphan;2448347]The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.[/QUOTE]The 'have nots" are those 60,000 that have died in the past month. People like you remind me that half the country has less than average intelligence.
The death rate per confirmed cases is inaccurate, and may be skewed way too high, due to the fact that infection is wide spread with large population of infected people show no symptoms and are untested. A more accurate figure would be death rate over the entire population.
[URL]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/URL]
Belgium is the worst hit with 68 deaths per 10 K population, 3 x US' rate 21 per 10 K.
US 21 dead per 10 K and growing is still very scary, especially for older folks with poor health. As cities start to open, I suspect May and June will bring out many more deaths at higher rates.
I am not going to La Zona yet. Still looking for a safe signal. I will wait for my brave, smart and sexy attorney wingman to lead the charge. He has close personal relationships with lots of girls and business owners in La Zona and feels really bad not seeing them every week.
Lots of guys have their entire social / sexual lives revolve around La Zona. This CoVid-19 pandemic really cause huge damages to their physical, sexual and emotional health.
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Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448366] Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.[/QUOTE]So just to be clear, you like those federal guidelines more? Gotcha. Your president appreciates the validation.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448366]I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases.[/QUOTE]You do realize that not everything is political, right? Simple mathematics would be one of those things. You just tried to compare a mortality rate for the population of the US vs a mortality rate of an infected population. Just as bad, you chose to use the Italy rate, when everyone knows their rate was inflated by having an epically unprepared health care system. You do remember, right? The mass hysteria over the lack of ventilators. The need for 40,000 ventilators in NYC. Yeah, that was as incorrect as your math.
Facts matter. Throwing misleading numbers out like that only scares the people that can't think for themselves.
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[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2448545]Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you can find some medical waste disposal site that you could jog through in order to demonstrate to all of us your invincibility.
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2448545]Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.[/QUOTE]Amen. Phordphan said it best "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that (whining babies in the ivory towers) will be safe." And please before another one of those babies holds me in contempt, just spare us the virtue signalling.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448606]I'm sure you can find some medical waste disposal site that you could jog through in order to demonstrate to all of us your invincibility.[/QUOTE]And you can choose to not accompany me in my jog. What you should not do is demand that I not take my job just so you can feel a bit safer while you gleefully recap fatality numbers and froth at the mouth every time Trump blinks.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2448564]So just to be clear, you like those federal guidelines more? Gotcha. Your president appreciates the validation.[/QUOTE]I didn't necessarily like or dislike the earlier federal guidelines, nor did I make a judgement about them.
But I did read the guidelines. I believe I understood them as well. And I could easily see how quickly Trump discarded the guideline written by his federally assembled team of doctors when they were no longer helpful in the Trumpster's desire to open up the economy despite all costs.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2448564]You do realize that not everything is political, right? Simple mathematics would be one of those things. You just tried to compare a mortality rate for the population of the US vs a mortality rate of an infected population. [/QUOTE]I believe the comparisons I've made were forthright and correctly used to fight deceptions other posters are making, like PP who purposely mislabeled "confirm case" as "all cases" to disingenuously assert an invalid claim.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2448564]Just as bad, you chose to use the Italy rate, when everyone knows their rate was inflated by having an epically unprepared health care system.[/QUOTE]Italy's death rate was 11% The far right & your assertion seems to be the death rate is only 0.1%, like ordinary flu. I stated when I made the comparison that the actual death rate in the United States will likely be better than the Death Rate in Italy, with only 1/2 or 1/3 of the high death rate that Italy experienced. You apparently believe our death rate will be 110 time better than Italy's. Real numbers simply are not bearing that out.
The White House is now projecting that their encouraged opening up of economic activity in numerous states in May will change the amount of new virus contamination in our nation from its current level of 25,000 new cases per day (being held down by current mitigation) to instead rise to 200,000 new infection cases each day when the current mitigation efforts are eased.
With our current lack of vaccines or even the lack of adequate testing levels, turning the spigot back on right now seems like a poor move we all will regret later.
[QUOTE=JackFlash4;2448458]The 'have nots" are those 60,000 that have died in the past month. People like you remind me that half the country has less than average intelligence.[/QUOTE]Amen Jack.
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2448752]And you can choose to not accompany me in my jog. What you should not do is demand that I not take my job just so you can feel a bit safer while you gleefully recap fatality numbers and froth at the mouth every time Trump blinks.[/QUOTE]BodyAnybodyNobody: You go right ahead and take your jog through the medical waste of your desires.
I'll be right with you.
Cheering you on.
Probably remotely.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2448505]The death rate per confirmed cases is inaccurate, and may be skewed way too high, due to the fact that infection is wide spread with large population of infected people show no symptoms and are untested. A more accurate figure would be death rate over the entire population.
[URL]https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality[/URL]
Belgium is the worst hit with 68 deaths per 10 K population, 3 x US' rate 21 per 10 K.
US 21 dead per 10 K and growing is still very scary, especially for older folks with poor health. As cities start to open, I suspect May and June will bring out many more deaths at higher rates.
I am not going to La Zona yet. Still looking for a safe signal. I will wait for my brave, smart and sexy attorney wingman to lead the charge. He has close personal relationships with lots of girls and business owners in La Zona and feels really bad not seeing them every week.
Lots of guys have their entire social / sexual lives revolve around La Zona. This CoVid-19 pandemic really cause huge damages to their physical, sexual and emotional health.[/QUOTE]Cry me a river bro, what are you going to do when the whole world goes to shit? I don't rely on La zona, go to the street and find some hookers here!
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2448545]Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.[/QUOTE]The Government control your lives, they say Lockdown and shutdown all economy all of you do it!
Penetrador,
Street girls are ugly and skanky, lots of crimes and LE stings not worth prowling. Streets are empty anyway.
Did find a few escorts and masseuses still working. They are not scared of CoVid-19, don't give a shit about social distancing, and have to make their living. They fuck 10 to 12 guys a day, may be a lot more recently with the lock down. They would be exposed to infection easily and can spread it quickly.
This is the time to go back to the bible, come to Jesus and stick with your alleged monogamous wifey or an intensive relationship with Ms. Rosey Palmer.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448828]BodyAnybodyNobody: You go right ahead and take your jog through the medical waste of your desires.
I'll be right with you.
Cheering you on.
Probably remotely.[/QUOTE]Thanks buddy.
BodyAnyBody.
Would be ten times safer than standing downwind of Scab's pus-dripping GFs.
Thanks buddy.
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Perhaps Scab is smart enough to start a Tijuana Putas' non profit in exchange for free, unlimited BBBJs and BBFSs in 5-star hotel Monito.
Jaime Montejo fought to protect sex workers from COVID-19 and much more. Then the virus came for him.
Mexico city. On a cloudy afternoon this week, a few dozen sex workers gathered outside a subway station in downtown Mexico City to remember their longtime leader.
Wearing surgical masks to protect against the coronavirus, the women prayed and sang and lighted candles around a photo of Jaime Montejo, who had devoted his life to giving these women a measure of dignity.
[URL]https://enewspaper.latimes.com/desktop/latimes/default.aspx?edid=2111a8e2-4584-488f-898c-1cf40f61a5bb[/URL]
Looks like it's impossible to avoid CoVid-19 infection.
When the damages and the pains hit home, Commander-in-Chief Donald Trump will figure out creative ways to squeezed compensation out of the guilty parties.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html[/URL]
One of Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus.
By Kaitlan Collins and Peter Morris, CNN Updated 12:37 PM ET, Thu May 7, 2020.
(CNN) A member of the US Navy who serves as one of President Donald Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN learned Thursday, raising concerns about the President's possible exposure to the virus.
The valets are members of an elite military unit dedicated to the White House and often work very close to the President and first family. Trump was upset when he was informed Wednesday that the valet had tested positive, a source told CNN, and the President was subsequently tested again by the White House physician.
In a statement, the White House confirmed CNN's reporting that one of the President's staffers had tested positive.
"We were recently notified by the White House Medical Unit that a member of the United States Military, who works on the White House campus, has tested positive for Coronavirus," deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley said in a statement. "The President and the Vice President have since tested negative for the virus and they remain in great health."
Valets assist the President and first family with a variety of personal tasks. They are responsible for the President's food and beverage not only in the West Wing but also travel with him when he's on the road or out of the country. Past presidents have relied on them not only for these matters, but also as confidants. The valets have an inside view to a president's personal life like few others.
A White House source said the valet, a man who has not been identified, exhibited "symptoms" Wednesday morning, and said the news that someone close to Trump had tested positive for coronavirus was "hitting the fan" in the West Wing.
Trump, who is a self-described germophobe, has chastised aides before who coughed or sneezed in his presence. He has claimed to rarely get sick himself.
Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and the senior staffers who regularly interact with them are still being tested weekly for coronavirus, two people familiar told CNN.
The White House is continuing to use the rapid Abbott Labs test, which provide results in about 15 minutes. Several officials who have received the test said it's often administered in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, next door to the West Wing on the White House grounds. A medical official swabs the staffer's nostrils and informs them that they'll be notified within the next several minutes if it's positive.
Still, the White House has not enforced strict social distancing guidelines for staffers and few people inside the building wear masks during the day, including valets.
Trump said before traveling aboard Air Force One earlier this week that he was not concerned about being in close quarters with other people since those around him are regularly tested.
"The test result comes back in five minutes, and we have great testing. Or they wouldn't be allowed to travel with me," Trump said. "It's not my choice; it's a very strong group of people that want to make sure they are tested, including Secret Service."
Still, a negative test and lack of symptoms isn't a sure sign that someone can't spread the virus.
Doctors say the incubation period for the coronavirus varies. The incubation period is the time that it takes from when you are exposed to the virus to developing symptoms. It ranges anywhere from 2-14 days. The average incubation period is estimated to be five days, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
People can be infectious, meaning they can transmit the virus to somebody else, up to two days before they start showing symptoms. Like any other virus, this can vary from person to person.
The coronavirus is spread between people mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes. These droplets can then spread to the nose or mouth of people nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs, according to the CDC. This type of spread is more likely when people are in close contact with each other, within about six feet.
The CDC says that people who feel healthy but recently had close contact with a person with Covid-19 should stay home and monitor their health. They should quarantine by staying home until 14 days after their last exposure and should check their temperature twice a day and watch for symptoms. The CDC also recommends they stay away from people who are at higher risk for becoming very ill.
The White House did not say whether Trump would adhere to those guidelines after his valet tested positive.
CNN's Kevin Liptak, Jacqueline Howard, Maggie Fox and Jamie Gumbrecht contributed to this report.
Very sad. I didn't know who he was until now. I feel the say way he did. I have a lot of compassion for the girls in the Mexico sex industry etc.
Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2449159]Perhaps Scab is smart enough to start a Tijuana Putas' non profit in exchange for free, unlimited BBBJs and BBFSs in 5-star hotel Monito.
Jaime Montejo fought to protect sex workers from COVID-19 and much more. Then the virus came for him.
Mexico city. On a cloudy afternoon this week, a few dozen sex workers gathered outside a subway station in downtown Mexico City to remember their longtime leader.
Wearing surgical masks to protect against the coronavirus, the women prayed and sang and lighted candles around a photo of Jaime Montejo, who had devoted his life to giving these women a measure of dignity.
[URL]https://enewspaper.latimes.com/desktop/latimes/default.aspx?edid=2111a8e2-4584-488f-898c-1cf40f61a5bb[/URL][/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html[/URL]
How pandemics end.
An infectious outbreak can conclude in more ways than one, historians say. But for whom does it end, and who gets to decide?
By Gina Kolata May 10,2020 Updated 9:43 am ET.
When will the Covid-19 pandemic end? And how?
According to historians, pandemics typically have two types of endings: the medical, which occurs when the incidence and death rates plummet, and the social, when the epidemic of fear about the disease wanes.
"When people ask, 'When will this end? They are asking about the social ending," said Dr. Jeremy Greene, a historian of medicine at Johns Hopkins.
In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: "As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes. ".
Endings "are very, very messy," said Dora Vargha, a historian at the University of Exeter. "Looking back, we have a weak narrative. For whom does the epidemic end, and who gets to say?
In the path of fear.
An epidemic of fear can occur even without an epidemic of illness. Dr. Susan Murray, of the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, saw that firsthand in 2014 when she was a fellow at a rural hospital in Ireland.
In the preceding months, more than 11,000 people in West Africa had died from Ebola, a terrifying viral disease that was highly infectious and often fatal. The epidemic seemed to be waning, and no cases had occurred in Ireland, but the public fear was palpable.
"On the street and on the wards, people are anxious," Dr. Murray recalled recently in an article in The New England Journal of Medicine. "Having the wrong color skin is enough to earn you the side-eye from your fellow passengers on the bus or train. Cough once, and you will find them shuffling away from you. ".
The Dublin hospital workers were warned to prepare for the worst. They were terrified, and worried that they lacked protective equipment. When a young man arrived in the emergency room from a country with Ebola patients, no one wanted to go near him; nurses hid, and doctors threatened to leave the hospital.
Dr. Murray alone dared treat him, she wrote, but his cancer was so advanced that all she could offer was comfort care. A few days later, tests confirmed that the man did not have Ebola; he died an hour later. Three days afterward, the World Health Organization declared the Ebola epidemic over.
Dr. Murray wrote: "If we are not prepared to fight fear and ignorance as actively and as thoughtfully as we fight any other virus, it is possible that fear can do terrible harm to vulnerable people, even in places that never see a single case of infection during an outbreak. And a fear epidemic can have far worse consequences when complicated by issues of race, privilege, and language. ".
Black Death and dark memories.
Image Disinfecting an autopsy table at a plague hospital in Mukden, China, in 1910, during a wave of pneumonic plague, also caused by the bacteria Yersinia pestis. Credit. Library of Congress / Corbis / VCG, via Getty Images.
Bubonic plague has struck several times in the past 2,000 years, killing millions of people and altering the course of history. Each epidemic amplified the fear that came with the next outbreak.
The disease is caused by a strain of bacteria, Yersinia pestis, that lives on fleas that live on rats. But bubonic plague, which became known as the Black Death, also can be passed from infected person to infected person through respiratory droplets, so it cannot be eradicated simply by killing rats.
Historians describe three great waves of plague, said Mary Fissell, a historian at Johns Hopkins: the Plague of Justinian, in the sixth century; the medieval epidemic, in the 14th century; and a pandemic that struck in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
The medieval pandemic began in 1331 in China. The illness, along with a civil war that was raging at the time, killed half the population of China. From there, the plague moved along trade routes to Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. In the years between 1347 and 1351, it killed at least a third of the European population. Half of the population of Siena, Italy, died.
"It is impossible for the human tongue to recount the awful truth," wrote the 14th-century chronicler Agnolo di Tura. "Indeed, one who did not see such horribleness can be called blessed. " The infected, he wrote, "swell beneath the armpits and in their groins, and fall over while talking. " The dead were buried in pits, in piles.
In Florence, wrote Giovanni Boccaccio, "No more respect was accorded to dead people than would nowadays be accorded to dead goats. " Some hid in their homes. Others refused to accept the threat. Their way of coping, Boccaccio wrote, was to "drink heavily, enjoy life to the full, go round singing and merrymaking, and gratify all of one's cravings when the opportunity emerged, and shrug the whole thing off as one enormous joke."
That pandemic ended, but the plague recurred. One of the worst outbreaks began in China in 1855 and spread worldwide, killing more than 12 million in India alone. Health authorities in Bombay burned whole neighborhoods trying to rid them of the plague. "Nobody knew if it made a difference," the Yale historian Frank Snowden said.
Image Dissecting rats in New Orleans in 1914 for signs that they might be carrying bubonic plague. Credit. Corbis, via Getty Images.
It is not clear what made the bubonic plague die down. Some scholars have argued that cold weather killed the disease-carrying fleas, but that would not have interrupted the spread by the respiratory route, Dr. Snowden noted.
Or perhaps it was a change in the rats. By the 19th century, the plague was being carried not by black rats but by brown rats, which are stronger and more vicious and more likely to live apart from humans.
"You certainly wouldn't want one for a pet," Dr. Snowden said.
Another hypothesis is that the bacterium evolved to be less deadly. Or maybe actions by humans, such as the burning of villages, helped quell the epidemic.
The plague never really went away. In the United States, infections are endemic among prairie dogs in the Southwest and can be transmitted to people. Dr. Snowden said that one of his friends became infected after a stay at a hotel in New Mexico. The previous occupant of his room had a dog, which had fleas that carried the microbe.
Such cases are rare, and can now be successfully treated with antibiotics, but any report of a case of the plague stirs up fear.
One disease that actually ended.
Image Edward Jenner, one of the early developers of the smallpox vaccine, inoculating a child from the disease in 1796. Credit. Hulton Archive / Getty Images.
Among the diseases to have achieved a medical end is smallpox. But it is exceptional for several reasons: There is an effective vaccine, which gives lifelong protection; the virus, Variola minor, has no animal host, so eliminating the disease in humans meant total elimination; and its symptoms are so unusual that infection is obvious, allowing for effective quarantines and contact tracing.
But while it still raged, smallpox was horrific. Epidemic after epidemic swept the world, for at least 3,000 years. Individuals infected with the virus developed a fever, then a rash that turned into pus-filled spots, which became encrusted and fell off, leaving scars. The disease killed three out of 10 of its victims, often after immense suffering.
In 1633, an epidemic among Native Americans "disrupted all the native communities in the northeast and certainly facilitated English settlement in Massachusetts," said Harvard historian Dr. David S. Jones. William Bradford, leader of the Plymouth colony, wrote an account of the disease in Native Americans, saying the broken pustules would effectively glue a patient's skin to the mat he lay on, only to be torn off. Bradford wrote: "When they turn them, a whole side will flay off at once as it were, and they will be all of a gore blood, most fearful to behold."
The last person to contract smallpox naturally was Ali Maow Maalin, a hospital cook in Somalia, in 1977. He recovered, only to die of malaria in 2013.
Forgotten influenzas.
The 1918 flu is held up today as the example of the ravages of a pandemic and the value of quarantines and social distancing. Before it ended, the flu killed 50 million to 100 million people worldwide. It preyed on young to middle-aged adults — orphaning children, depriving families of breadwinners, killing troops in the midst of World War I.
In the autumn of 1918, William Vaughan, a prominent doctor, was dispatched to Camp Devens near Boston to report on a flu that was raging there. He saw "hundreds of stalwart young men in the uniform of their country, coming into the wards of the hospital in groups of ten or more," he wrote. "They are placed on the cots until every bed is full, yet others crowd in. Their faces soon wear a bluish cast, a distressing cough brings up blood stained sputum. In the morning the dead bodies are stacked up in the morgue like cord wood. ".
The virus, he wrote, "demonstrated the inferiority of human inventions in the destruction of human life. ".
After sweeping through the world, that flu faded away, evolving into a variant of the more benign flu that comes around every year.
"Maybe it was like a fire that, having burned the available and easily accessible wood, burns down," Dr. Snowden said.
It ended socially, too. World War I was over; people were ready for a fresh start, a new era, and eager to put the nightmare of disease and war behind them. Until recently, the 1918 flu was largely forgotten.
Other flu pandemics followed, none so bad but all nonetheless sobering. In the Hong Kong flu of 1968, one million people died worldwide, including 100,000 in the United States, mostly people older than 65. That virus still circulates as a seasonal flu, and its initial path of destruction — and the fear that went with it — is rarely recalled.
How will Covid-19 end?
Will that happen with Covid-19?
One possibility, historians say, is that the coronavirus pandemic could end socially before it ends medically. People may grow so tired of the restrictions that they declare the pandemic over, even as the virus continues to smolder in the population and before a vaccine or effective treatment is found.
"I think there is this sort of social psychological issue of exhaustion and frustration," the Yale historian Naomi Rogers said. "We may be in a moment when people are just saying: 'That's enough. I deserve to be able to return to my regular life.'
It is happening already; in some states, governors have lifted restrictions, allowing hair salons, nail salons and gyms to reopen, in defiance of warnings by public health officials that such steps are premature. As the economic catastrophe wreaked by the lockdowns grows, more and more people may be ready to say "enough."
"There is this sort of conflict now," Dr. Rogers said. Public health officials have a medical end in sight, but some members of the public see a social end.
"Who gets to claim the end?" Dr. Rogers said. "If you push back against the notion of its ending, what are you pushing back against? What are you claiming when you say, 'No, it is not ending.'
The challenge, Dr. Brandt said, is that there will be no sudden victory. Trying to define the end of the epidemic "will be a long and difficult process."
A good article in LA Times today.
CoVid-19 is causing widespread famine all over the world, including Mexico. Millions people are facing death by starvation.
A lot of bar and street girls in Tijuana live hand to mouth with large families to support. They are definitely going hungry. Perhaps you pervs can think of ways to help at least a few girls whom you know in this horrible human-caused global disaster, started by a dishonest and brutal political regime.
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Should be a Headline: German Autopsy Study Finds every Coronavirus Victim had Previous Illness — All Had Cancer, Lung Disease, Were Heavy Smokers or Morbidly Obese.
Gateway Pundit .
05/11/2020.
Jim Hoft.
The WHO Director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, estimated on March 3, 2020 that the coronavirus mortality rate was 3. 4% This was a completely inaccurate number that caused a global panic. Via Dr. Andrew Bostom.
Head of Forensic Pathology in Hamburg on covid19 autopsy findings: "not a single person w / out previous illness has died of the virus in Hamburg. All had cancer, chronic lung dis, were heavy smokers or heavily obese, or had diabetes or cardiovasc dis" 1/3 [URL]https://t.co/u4Pi9ntRT0[/URL] pic. [URL]twitter.com[/URL]/ PaSdh2 UnF5.
— Andrew Bostom (at andrewbostom) May 11,2020.
3/3 "By focusing strongly on the rather few negative processes, fears are created that are very burdensome. Covid-19 is a deadly disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a mostly harmless virus infection".
Add it to the pile:
New York City: 99% of fatalities of all age groups had underlying conditions.
Italy: 98%.
Britain: 95%[URL]https://t.co/uAhgn5I9anhttps://t.co/sxqTq51mvkhttps://t.co/TUNgUyFcJf[/URL].
— Karl Dierenbach (at Dierenbach) May 11,2020.
The data provided by NHS England shows that, as of 5 pm on 26 April, 18,749 people had died in hospital with the virus.
In a small number of cases, it was not possible to confirm if a patient did or did not have an underlying health condition.
But for those where it was, 95% were found to have serious pre-existing issues. . ."
Commenter: Instead of mandated sheltering and protection of the institutionalized elderly, and strongly recommending supporting the most vulnerable, the main USA Approach was trying to shelter all the healthy from all the healthy but doing not much to insure the most vulnerable most of all were sheltered. What a waste.
Just as suspected, AMLO government is reporting only about 30% of CoVid-9 deaths.
Mexico is trying to keep its economy going at the same time killing off the marginal population.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-count.html?searchResultPosition=3[/URL]
Hidden toll: Mexico ignores Waves of Coronavirus deaths in Capital.
By Azam AhmedPhotographs by Daniel Berehulak May 8, 2020.
MEXICO CITY — The Mexican government is not reporting hundreds, possibly thousands, of deaths from the coronavirus in Mexico City, dismissing anxious officials who have tallied more than three times as many fatalities in the capital than the government publicly acknowledges, according to officials and confidential data.
The tensions have come to a head in recent weeks, with Mexico City alerting the government to the deaths repeatedly, hoping it will come clean to the public about the true toll of the virus on the nation's biggest city and, by extension, the country at large.
But that has not happened. Doctors in overwhelmed hospitals in Mexico City say the reality of the epidemic is being hidden from the country. In some hospitals, patients lie on the floor, splayed on mattresses. Elderly people are propped up on metal chairs because there are not enough beds, while patients are turned away to search for space in less-prepared hospitals. Many die while searching, several doctors said.
"It's like we doctors are living in two different worlds," said Dr. Giovanna Avila, who works at Hospital de Especialidades Belisario Domínguez. "One is inside of the hospital with patients dying all the time. And the other is when we walk out onto the streets and see people walking around, clueless of what is going on and how bad the situation really is. ".
Mexico City officials have tabulated more than 2,500 deaths from the virus and from serious respiratory illnesses that doctors suspect were related to Covid-19, according to the data, which was reviewed by The New York Times. Yet the federal government is reporting about 700 in the area, which includes Mexico City and the municipalities on its outskirts.
Nationwide, the federal government has reported about 3,000 confirmed deaths from the virus, plus nearly 250 suspected of being related, in a country of more than 120 million people. But experts say Mexico has only a minimal sense of the real scale of the epidemic because it is testing so few people.
Far fewer than one in 1,000 people in Mexico are tested for the virus — by far the lowest of the dozens of nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which average about 23 tests for every 1,000 people.
The government says Mexico has been faring better than many of the world's largest countries, and on Monday its Covid-19 czar estimated that the final death toll would be around 6,000 people.
"We have flattened the curve," Hugo López-Gatell, the health ministry official who has become the face of the country's response, said this week.
But the government did not respond to questions about the deaths in Mexico City. It also denied repeated requests by The Times over the course of three weeks to identify all deaths related to respiratory illnesses since January, saying the data was incomplete.
One former health secretary, José Narro Robles, has accused Mr. López-Gatell of lying to the people of Mexico. And some state governments are beginning to draw similar conclusions: that, much like Mexico City found, the data presented by the government does not reflect reality.
Official counts in many countries have understated the number of deaths during the pandemic, especially where limited testing has prevented the virus from being diagnosed, a Times review of mortality data has found. In Ecuador, six times more people have died than official figures reflect, the data show. In Italy, the overall increase in deaths in March was nearly twice official counts.
In Mexico City, the doubts started a month ago, when the city's mayor, Claudia Sheinbaum, began to suspect that federal data and modeling on the epidemic were flawed, according to three people with knowledge of the matter.
She had already instructed her staff to call every public hospital in the Mexico City area to ask about all confirmed and suspected Covid-19 deaths, the people said. In the last week, that effort found that the deaths were more than three times what the federal government reported.
The disagreements have taken place largely behind the scenes, as Ms. Sheinbaum, who declined to comment for this article, has been loath to publicly embarrass President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, her close political ally. The city and the federal government continue to work together on a number of fronts, including getting ventilators.
But the data from Mexico City calls into question the federal government's grasp of the crisis in the country.
With such limited testing and doubts about the government's models, experts say federal estimates for when the nation will reach its peak, how long the epidemic will last and how bad the damage will be may not be reliable.
That disconnect has left cities and states across the country scrambling to meet the demand for protective equipment and ventilators. It also underplays the severity of the epidemic for millions of Mexicans, making it hard for them to determine how bad the situation is — and how seriously to take it.
Image Coffins of Covid-19 victims were stacked behind the crematorium at a cemetery in Xochimilco on Thursday.
"That is shocking," said Fernando Alarid-Escudero, who has a Ph. The. In health decision sciences and who developed an independent model in collaboration with scientists at Stanford University to chart the curve of the epidemic in Mexico. "If that is case, and we are not really capturing all those people who eventually die, we are not getting a sense of the picture."
"We are way underestimating the magnitude of the epidemic," he added.
In Tijuana, hospitals are already overwhelmed. Doctors and nurses across the country have held public protests against the lack of protective gear, and several hospitals along the border have suffered outbreaks of the virus among medical personnel. Federal officials have been scrambling to buy respirators, long after seeing the outbreaks grip China, Europe and the United States.
One big reason for the competing death tolls in Mexico has to do with the way the federal government is testing, vetting and reporting the data. The official results include a two-week lag, people familiar with the process say, which means timely information is not available publicly.
More worrisome, they say, are the many deaths absent from the data altogether, as suggested by the figures from Mexico City, where the virus has struck hardest of all. Some people die from acute respiratory illness and are cremated without ever getting tested, officials say. Others are dying at home without being admitted to a hospital — and are not even counted under Mexico City's statistics.
Beyond that, Mexico appears to be vastly underreporting suspected deaths from coronavirus. Data published by the federal government on May 7 show only 245 suspicious deaths nationwide.
The gap in information has left many Mexicans with a sense that their country has avoided the harrowing outbreaks afflicting nations like the United States, where nearly 1. 2 million people have been infected and more than 70,000 people have died, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
Publicly, Mr. López-Gatell, the health ministry official, has become something of a celebrity, steering nightly news conferences in which he assures the public that things are moving according to plan.
But there have been problems with the government's assumptions from the very beginning, according to three people familiar with its preparations. As early as February, they said, the government was using Wuhan, China — the city where the pandemic originated — to model the potential needs and response in Mexico.
But those calculations quickly went awry, the people said, as officials realized the dynamic in China was entirely different from the one in Mexico. As the outbreak spread in Wuhan, Chinese officials locked down the city and the surrounding province, prohibiting tens of millions of people from traveling.
In Mexico, by contrast, the lockdown measures have been optional, with officials simply urging people to go to hospitals or stay at home, depending on symptoms. There are no travel restrictions in or out of Mexico City.
In the last month, the government has added experts to review the data and analysis, after urging from the country's foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, and other officials. But even those newer models make assumptions that experts feel are inadequate.
The main model the country is believed to now be using assumes only 5 percent of the infected population show symptoms, and that only 5 percent of those patients will go to the hospital, according to modeling documents obtained by The Times.
"Their model is wrong" said Laurie Ann Ximénez-Fyvie, a Harvard-trained Ph. The. At the National Autonomous University of Mexico, adding that symptomatic and severe cases could be significantly higher. "There is very good consensus on that."
Several experts also questioned Mexico's assumptions of how quickly the epidemic will pass. Its model shows a sharp rise in infections, followed by a sharp decline. But in almost no other country in the world has there been a rapid decline after a peak.
"There is a long tail for the curve, and the number of deaths does not drop to zero anytime in the near future," said Nilanjan Chatterjee, a professor in the department of biostatistics at the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University. "The graph they are using is inconsistent with the shapes of the curve in other countries.
Would require more Southern California counties robust roll out to Phase II Stay at Home Order modification to visit Tijuana. CBP warning are crystal clear in the Phase I period, "Stay at Home."
As of May 13, 2020.
Phase I.
All other counties.
LosAngeles County Mid July Phase II? Dr. Ferrer May 12.
Phase II Rollout.
Amador County.
Butte County.
El Dorado County.
Lessen County.
Neveda County.
Placer County.
Shasta County.
Cdph. Ca. Gov / Programs.
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21255012/coronavirus-covid-19-mexico-death-count-cases[/URL]
Mexico is severely — and maybe purposely — undercounting its coronavirus deaths.
By some estimates, Mexico's coronavirus cases are 17 times higher than officially reported.
By Alex [EMAIL]Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.war[/EMAIL]the at [URL]vox.com[/URL] May 13,2020, 1:40 pm EDT.
The coronavirus has killed thousands of people in Mexico. But suspicions swirl that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador's administration is severely — and perhaps purposely — undercounting Mexico's Covid-19 deaths.
As of May 13, Mexico reported more than 38,000 infections and nearly 4,000 deaths. Those are by no means small numbers (even if they're leaps and bounds less than America's). But the problem, experts say, is that the real totals are likely orders of magnitude higher. How high, though, is anyone's guess.
"The numbers do not appear to reflect the death toll for certain," Donna Patterson, an expert on Mexico's health care system at Delaware State University, told me. "At the federal level, the numbers aren't being reported accurately."
Indeed, Mexican mayors, doctors, funeral home directors, and even former officials have said in recent weeks that they have reported death toll numbers only not to see them reflected in official federal government counts.
While the Mexican government itself has effectively acknowledged an undercount — saying it assumes the number of actual coronavirus cases is eight times higher than the numbers it has — its estimate is still far below what other experts contend.
A woman wears a mask while washing her hands in Mexico City on May 12. Ricardo Castelan Cruz / Eyepix Group / Barcroft Media via Getty Images.
It's not clear if the case-counting disparity comes from inefficiency, incompetence, or deliberate obfuscation, but it's a damning state of affairs. Some experts, like Dr. Laurie Ann Ximénez-Fyvie, the molecular genetics lab chief at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM), think the undercount might be a deliberate decision by the federal government.
"If Mexico is good at anything, it's hiding numbers," she told me.
Recent media investigations, including by the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and Spain's El País, appear to support those claims. In fact, El País says that Mexico likely has between 620,000 and 730,000 coronavirus cases — about 17 times higher than the official count.
On top of that, Mexico also has one of the lowest testing rates among developed countries, and it doesn't appear that it'll increase anytime soon. Combined with the undercount, some experts say, the nation is flying blind as to the extent of its true coronavirus woes.
"The numbers are really not the problem," Ximénez-Fyvie said. The issue is that "we don't even know who the sick people are, and we don't know where they are," meaning Mexican health officials can't identify clusters of infection that may overwhelm the nation's health care system.
It's also not good news for North America in general. The US has a major crisis of its own, with roughly 1. 3 million cases and more than 80,000 deaths as of May 13. Having a southern neighbor with similar issues will only make the disease in both countries — and throughout Central America — harder to quash.
For those and other reasons, experts want Mexico not only to ratchet up its coronavirus response but also to come clean with its statistics. Otherwise, former Mexican Health Minister José Narro Robles tweeted last month, the government will further foment "distrust and uncertainty. ".
"We can't keep up".
It's important to note that most countries are likely missing (and therefore undercounting) pandemic-caused deaths. But all it takes to realize that Mexico has a bigger problem on its hands is to listen to what local leaders are telling the media.
Jesús Roman, the mayor of Chimalhuacáand, a city near the nation's capital, told Al Jazeera on Sunday that the federal government "counted us as having 24 dead, but we had 87 — more than three times more than that."
Mayor Maricela Serrano of the central city of Ixtapaluca also told the outlet that "up until Saturday night, we had 54 people die of Covid-19. . And in the daily roundups from the state and federal government, they've only registered 16 deaths."
Those dealing with the bodies have been overwhelmed in recent weeks. "We are working triple what we usually do. We can't keep up," José Jardines, a crematorium official near Mexico City, told Al Jazeera. "Before, we cremated one to three bodies a day. Now, it's up to 15 or 20. " Cremation centers are so overworked that staff sometimes leave bodies at hospitals for an extra day because they don't have the space.
Even the president's allies are aware of the problem.
Mexico City's mayor, Claudia Sheinbaum, suspected the federal government's data was wrong and had staff call public hospitals in the capital to get their death counts, the New York Times reported. They found that the hospitals' numbers were about three times higher than the federal government's. However, she has yet to lambaste President López Obrador because of their close political ties.
Despite what local political and medical leaders say, the federal government isn't listening. And that's only likely to make Mexico's coronavirus recovery efforts much, much harder. "Maybe Mexico will be the textbook case of what happens when the government just did nothing," UNAM's Ximénez-Fyvie told me.
The major problems in Mexico's coronavirus response.
To understand how Mexico got into this mess, you need to understand two things: how slowly the government responded, and its current, controversial strategy.
Even as the coronavirus made its way into the country, Mexico's president — who goes by AMLO — made repeated statements to assure the country that everything was fine.
"Live life as usual," he said in a video posted to Facebook on March 22, six days after US President Donald Trump first debuted his "15 days to slow the spread" plan. "If you're able and have the means to do so, continue taking your family out to eat. Because that strengthens the economy," he said in the video, seated outside at a restaurant.
In fact, he proceeded to hold political rallies, kiss supporters, and request that Mexicans go out shopping to keep the nation's businesses humming. Only 250 cases had been reported by the end of March.
AMLO's dithering delayed Mexico's reaction to the growing crisis, and gave thousands of Mexicans a false sense of security. Recent Google mobility reports, which track how often people in a country roam around outside, showed that Mexicans observed social distancing measures less seriously than nations in Europe or even the US.
However, an important caveat is that nearly 60 percent of Mexicans work in the "informal economy" as street chefs, artists, construction workers, and the like. Their livelihoods depend on working outside to sell their goods and services. Without doing so, their ability to purchase food and necessities for themselves and their families becomes near impossible.
Without a major intervention from AMLO and his government, then, a major coronavirus spread was going to be the likely outcome.
The government did, eventually, start to counter the disease in March. But as Ximénez-Fyvie told me, the three phases of Mexico's initially promising coronavirus strategy quickly faltered.
The government's "Phase 1" plan, she said, was to test imported cases of coronavirus and track their contacts. That made sense as a start, she said, as the only way the disease was likely to get into the country was from abroad. In her mind, Mexico's government responded appropriately and well.
But the strategy broke down in "Phase 2. " Using the Sentinel surveillance program at more than 250 labs around Mexico, the government could track local transmissions of Covid-19. This system, which is also used in the US and Canada, allowed health officials to estimate the number of coronavirus cases in the country.
That's all well and good, but the problem is the government had no idea who, exactly, these people were, if they were symptomatic, or if they were isolating. The only way to do that would be not just to estimate the number of cases, but to confirm them with a widespread testing and tracing program. But since Mexico had (and still has) the lowest testing rate per 1,000 people among developed nations, its ability to figure any of that out was next to impossible.
World Economic Forum.
So the government started to guess what the scope of the outbreak really was. On April 8, Hugo López-Gatell Ramírez, Mexico's Covid-19 response chief, told CNN he and his team would multiply the total of confirmed, tested coronavirus cases by eight. He said he arrived at that number because the estimates from the Sentinel program were eight times higher than the confirmed infections total.
Such a back-of-the-envelope calculation, experts say, isn't typical for governments, though all countries must do some educated guesswork during a pandemic. What's more, Ximénez-Fyvie told me, López-Gatell's own numbers from March and April show that Sentinel estimates were about 24 to 31 times higher than the tested, confirmed cases.
López-Gatell has yet to amend his government's estimation plan. In fact, he's defended the unknown spread in Mexico because he claims it will lead the country toward a herd immunity against the disease faster.
"How many cases are there? A lot, a lot. Hundreds of thousands," he said during a May 7 press conference. "If only it were millions, because that's what would stop the epidemic: to have a lot of infected people. ".
Importantly, however, the science is still not clear if a country can achieve herd immunity from the coronavirus, and any attempts to achieve such a status puts the most vulnerable people in danger.
López-Gatell 7-may: "en la medida en que hay enfermedad, infecciones, contagios. Siempre puede regresar a un país. Excepto que alcancemos un elemento que técnicamente se llama «inmunidad de rebaño»."
The situation is likely to get worse now that Mexico has been in "Phase 3" of its coronavirus plan since late April. The goal is to prevent hospitals from getting overrun with sick patients and no longer emphasize tracking the estimated number of cases through the Sentinel program.
There's a good reason for this focus: Mexico's health care system is in poor shape. It has about 1. 4 hospital beds per 1,000 people, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, just over 2,000 ventilators in the entire country, and few coronavirus tests.
But on its own, boosting health care would be a major undertaking for Mexico. AMLO has severely cut the health care sector in an effort to control government spending. In 2019, for example, around 10,000 health professionals were laid off due to a 44 percent cut to a public health and welfare agency. That's led to delays in surgeries for children, reductions in staff, and cancellations of many forms of treatments for patients.
The bigger issue, though, is that prioritizing hospital capacity won't do anything to stop the spread of infection, which has been poorly tracked and may end up overwhelming medical facilities in the long term.
"It's like your house was flooded because you left your faucet on, and you decided to solve the problem by grabbing a bucket to scoop the water out. The house will continue to flood until you turn the faucet off," said Ximénez-Fyvie.
Will Tijuana transmission rate drop for HK to reopen?
Just a new normal.
[URL]https://www.welikela.com/how-safer-at-home-allows-l-a-county-to-reopen/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sound7;2450640]Would require more Southern California counties robust roll out to Phase II Stay at Home Order modification to visit Tijuana. CBP warning are crystal clear in the Phase I period, "Stay at Home."
As of May 13, 2020.
Phase I.
All other counties.
LosAngeles County Mid July Phase II? Dr. Ferrer May 12.
Phase II Rollout.
Amador County.
Butte County.
El Dorado County.
Lessen County.
Neveda County.
Placer County.
Shasta County.
Cdph. Ca. Gov / Programs.[/QUOTE]
Alameda County has about 141 cases and 5 deaths for every 100,000 residents, although that varies significantly by race. *Black Alameda County residents had disproportionally high death rates, with 9.6 deaths for every 100,000 residents compared to death rates of 5.3 for Latinos, 5.1 for white residents and 2.7 for Asian residents.
[QUOTE=Sound7;2451161]Will Tijuana transmission rate drop for HK to reopen?
Just a new normal.
[URL]https://www.welikela.com/how-safer-at-home-allows-l-a-county-to-reopen/[/URL][/QUOTE]
To date US has 1.54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
The confirmed infected had obvious symptoms and were tested by healthcare. The infected population with no or mild symptoms who went untested are unknown. The infected rate may be 10 times or 5,000 per 100 K pop and going higher. It's unknown that if even recovered they still carry the virus and can infect others. The probability for US population to get infected is conservatively estimated 1 in 20 presently and going higher. For guys who are going to La Zona to hump chicas, the probability is much higher due to mingling in close proximity to a high risk population, may be 10 times higher, or 1 in 2.
A strong and healthy bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then returned to normal. He said he may have contracted it in La Zona or at his health club. He's going in for antibodies test this week. I urged him to post his infos but he was reluctant, probably does not want to be avoided by his favoritas or ridiculed by the bullies in this forum.
A few bros have decades of experiences with lots of local contacts and good intelligence in La Zona that would be very helpful, but are reluctant to post primarily to avoid being roughed up. I urge the bros to go easy on other posters. If disputing someone, make sure you do your homework, providing solid facts, reliable data or credible witnesses.
More than one million people infected with covid-19 in Mexico.
By Yucatan Times on May 15,2020.
[URL]https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2020/05/more-than-one-million-people-infected-with-covid-19-in-mexico/[/URL]
For every confirmed case, there can be 25 more Covid-19 infections; carriers of the virus can make thousands sick, specialists warn.
MEXICO (El Universal) – Mexican scientists specializing in mathematics, statistics, and infectious diseases warned that there could be up to 25 times more cases of Covid-19 in the country than those confirmed by laboratory tests. This would mean between 881,000 and 1. 27 million people infected, many without symptoms but with the capacity to infect.
The data come from estimates made by scientists consulted by EL UNIVERSAL. Alejandro Macias, considered the expert on the H1 N1 epidemic in 2009, when he was the National Commissioner for the Prevention and Control of the SSA, explained that until laboratory tests are carried out to look for antibodies in people's blood, as was done in New York, it will not be known precisely how many people were infected with Covid-19.
However, he believed that because of the size of the disease and its spread, there are currently more than 1 million people in the country infected with Covid-19.
"In Mexico, we are unlikely to have less than 1% of people infected with coronavirus of the national population. I don't think it will be less and hopefully many more so that many will have antibodies. If we are 127 million people, at least 1. 27 million could have already been infected in Mexico. That figure may cause some commotion, but if I say that 1 percent of the population is already infected, no one is surprised. It is the same," the specialist added.
Arturo Erdely Ruiz, an academic from the Acatláand School of Higher Studies (FES), with level 1 membership in the National System of Researchers and a Ph. The. In Mathematics, calculated that the disease might be 23 times larger than what we know from the most recent estimate data published by the SSA on May 3.
The data is obtained by applying an expansion factor of 23 times, which means how many patients there may be for each case confirmed through laboratory testing. The estimated cases positive to Covid-19 are divided by the accumulated number of confirmed cases up to the moment this estimate was made.
By applying this expansion factor, also called the multiplication factor, to the 38,324 cases of Covid-19 reported by the Health Secretariat on Tuesday, the estimate is that 881,452 infected people in the country. Most may be carriers of the virus but may not have developed symptoms, which does not prevent them from being infected.
"That factor was initially at 31.3 times as of April 8 but had been dropping. The last time I estimated it with the information they gave until May 3, it is estimated to be around 23 times. That's the ratio we can have between confirmed and estimated cases. Of the expected cases, the majority are mild, the minority are the serious ones that arrive at the hospitals," the expert explained to EL UNIVERSAL.
On May 3, the SSA said 104,562 people in the country tested positive for Covid-19, according to information obtained from the Sentinel epidemiological surveillance model. This system is a kind of survey applied by the federal government to identify cases of coronavirus in 475 health monitoring units of respiratory disease. Its objective is to collect useful quality data instead of large amounts of information but of poor quality.
By dividing the 104,562 estimated cases by 4,524 confirmed instances at that time, Erdely's multiplication factor was 23 Covid-19 estimates for each positive.
"For Mexico, I estimate as of Tuesday, with the factor I have been proposing, that we will have about 900,000 people infected, estimated total cases. There's no need to panic. These are mild cases, some have already been cured. We are talking about the total number of infected people in Mexico that will close the year with 1. 8 million," said the mathematician.
The expansion factor can vary according to the evolution of the epidemic. Still, the SSA removed from its daily reports the data that allowed scientists to make these estimates with greater precision.
Gustavo Cruz, a member of the Institute of Applied Mathematics and Systems Research (IIMAS), explained to EL UNIVERSAL there is a sub-accounting in the number of cases, but this is a reality that occurs worldwide, where the expansion or multiplication factor of cases has reached up to 50%, which can also occur in Mexico.
"We calculate the expansion factor for the number of infected people between 50 and 80, but I insist that the number is vast because it includes people who are infected and who will never have symptoms, never realizing they had the disease," he said. "The numbers that governments get are only from the people who come to health services. For every one of these, there are about 50 who never make it to the health service and are still infecting. This is an estimate we made at the beginning of the epidemic in China and other Asian countries," he explained.
Since April 8, the SSA announced that more people in the country are infected than can be confirmed by PCR laboratory tests. Applying a multiplication factor of 8. 4 times, it estimated the existence of 26,519 cases, even though only 3,181 had been established with tests.
Went by Farmacia Similares to buy more HCQ this morning but the clerk checked her computer and said they were all sold out. She said that Costco would have it in stock. Stopped by Piri's to get some eye drops and asked if they had any HCQ in stock and they did. Piri's Farmacia has a box of HCQ for around 650 pesos for those who want a backup box if they feel like they are coming down with the Wuflu. . . Remember to buy some zinc picolinate as it may not work to reduce the Wuflu severity without the zinc. Read up on the recommended protocols from the Indian Ministry of Health Council or the Eastern Virgina Medical School protocol for HCQ. . .
The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/[/URL]
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2452698]The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/[/URL]
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.[/QUOTE]I don't worry about coronavirus. I took a day trip into Manhattan to see if it could get me. It felt like tijuana, one false move, touch a park bench without a glove, stand to close to someone, maybe it spreads on the subway in the air and you never see it comming, reminds me alot of the dangers of tijuana if you go wandering more than 6 feet from Hong kongs front door.
Tijauna 's official deaths is 392 to date, but they have not been counting people who died with same symptoms at homes or in ambulances.
By using data from emergency calls, the Red Cross estimated true death count is about 12 x officials count, or 4,702 to date and rising, among 2. 14 mil population. That's 220 deaths per 100 K or 1 death in 455 residents, about 7 x death rate in US, about 1 in 3,500.
There is a little bit of good news: the death count has gone down this week per Red Cross. We don't know how much it went down, but it shows Tijuana has gone over the peak infection last week.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2452698]The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/[/URL]
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.[/QUOTE]And meanwhile, infection rates are probably much much higher, and hospitals are over reporting covid deaths. In retrospect, I believe that we are going to find that the shutdown was an overreaction.
I know it won't happen, but some politicians should be locked up for civil rights violations.
Baja has 3,000 confirmed cases with 518 deaths and rising. The infection is not pealing yet.
Due to lack of monitoring and shoddy accounting, the numbers are estimated 10 x official figures.
Baja California Covid-19 Confirmed 3,040 Recovered 2,118 Deaths 518.
[URL]https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=3UzJXs7RNYXB-wTNvJCQBA&q=tijuana[/URL]+covid+19+cases&oq=tijuana+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3 ktYWIQARgAMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoOCAAQ6 gIQtAIQmgEQ5 QJQ8 EpYzmNg_XloAnAAeACAAUWIAdsGkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3 Mtd2 l6 sAEG&sclient=psy-ab.
Wonder if the Paraditas would charge extra if you wanted them to wear a mask.
They would look very cute wearing one.
Goyo.
Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html[/URL]
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2453814]Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html[/URL]
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.[/QUOTE]Your link does not support your assertion of a fatality rate of 0.004%.
Instead the most prominent text displayed by your link is a big boldfaced "OOPS- Page not found".
Here is a useful link to Oxford Martin on mortality rates:[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid[/URL]#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-compared-to-other-diseases.
Mortality risk of COVID-19.
The mortality risk of COVID-19 is the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it.
10.5% of people with a cardiovascular disease who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
7.3% of people with diabetes who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
6% of people with Hypertension (high blood pressure) who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
0. 9% of people with no health conditions died. (I believe these are global / worldwide figures).
So if you were looking at one million otherwise healthy people that contacted COVID-19, it would be expected that 9,000 of them would die.
If the mortality rate was only 0. 004% (I wish) instead the more correct 0. 9% mortality rate, then in one million healthy people that contacted COVID-19, only 40 of them would die.
'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.
Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.
By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.
The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.
In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.
Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations.
Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. Some hospitals have lost half their staff to illness and absenteeism. Others are running low on basic equipment, like heart monitors.
The shortages have had devastating consequences for patients, according to interviews with health workers across the country. Several doctors and nurses recounted dozens of preventable deaths in hospitals — the result of neglect or mistakes that never should have happened.
"We have had many of what we call 'dumb deaths, said Pablo Villaseñor, a doctor at the General Hospital in Tijuana, the center of an outbreak. "It's not the virus that is killing them. It's the lack of proper care."
Patients die because they're given the wrong medications, or the wrong dose, health workers say. The protective gloves at some hospitals are so old that they crack the moment they're slipped on, nurses say. People are often not sedated properly, then wake up and yank out their own breathing tubes, hospital employees say.
Adriana de la Cruz, a nurse at Dr. Belisario Domínguez hospital in the southeast corner of Mexico City, said the overstretched and often undertrained work force has made glaring errors — at great cost.
"People have died because of a lack of medical attention and because of negligence," said Ms. De la Cruz. "These patients would have a better chance of surviving if we could offer better care."
The Mexican government spends less on health care as a percent of its economy than most countries in the Western Hemisphere, according to the World Bank, and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador presided over spending cuts even after acknowledging his country had 200,000 fewer health care workers than it needed.
When the epidemic hit Mexico in March, many hospitals sent front-line workers to confront the deluge of cases without any protective equipment or training. Some nurses say they were told not to wear masks to avoid causing panic. Many say they were forced to buy face shields and goggles themselves.
The fallout has been severe. About one in five confirmed cases in Mexico are health workers — a greater share than in the United States, Italy or China.
Mexico's outbreak is growing quickly and shows no signs of slowing. Reported cases and deaths have risen every week for the last couple of months, hitting Mexico City and Baja California, which includes Tijuana, particularly hard.
After a Times analysis found evidence that federal authorities were underreporting fatalities, a top federal health official publicly conceded that the government does not have an accurate count of deaths caused by the virus.
At Dr. Villaseñor's hospital, there are so few doctors left that during some shifts, critically-ill patients are going eight hours without anyone checking on them, he said.
"You hear of one patient dying because he didn't get the proper care — and then another one and another one — and you try not to become paralyzed," added Dr. Villaseñor, a rheumatologist who said he had to learn how to suit up to treat coronavirus patients by watching a video on YouTube.
As Mexico's population grew during the last decade, the government kept hospital funding low, devoting less than 3 percent of its national output to health care. World Bank data shows that by 2017, well before Mr. López Obrador took office, only two countries in Central and South America spent less on health than Mexico as a share of their economies: Guatemala and Venezuela.
"Administration after administration gave lip service to the issue of health, but it never showed up as a priority in the budget," Judith Méndez, an analyst at the Economic and Budgetary Research Center, said of Mexico's successive governments.
The Mexican government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Local health ministers in Baja California and Mexico City also declined to comment.
Patients have filed thousands of complaints with the country's human rights commission about negligence in hospitals in recent years. And the quality of care only diminished further after hospital workers in Mexico endured some of the nation's first coronavirus outbreaks.
Many countries have struggled with doctors and nurses falling ill, but in Mexico the problem is particularly bad. The government's data suggests around one in five confirmed coronavirus cases in the country are health workers.
"If health workers are getting sick at this rate, bottom line is you risk not having a health work force to look after people," said Howard Catton, the chief executive of the International Council of Nurses. Ms. De la Cruz, the nurse in Mexico City, said that her hospital initially instructed employees not to wear masks around a patient until the person tested positive for coronavirus.
"You waited three or four days to see if the patient tested positive, and in the meantime you got infected," said Ms. De la Cruz, who noted that 80 of her colleagues have gotten sick.
Some hospitals did prepare early for the virus, which swept the United States and Europe before outbreaks flared in Mexico. In Monterrey, doctors said protocols to shield workers were put in place months ago. Rodolfo Ruiz, an infectious disease specialist, says he feels protected at his public hospital in Mexicali, even as hospital beds fill up.
But the missteps in some of the hardest hit cities have brought overrun hospitals to a breaking point, workers say. Doctors and nurses have staged protests outside their hospitals in at least a dozen states, according to local news reports. Some doctors and nurses have refused to treat coronavirus patients.
Rosario Luna, a nurse at the José María Morelos and Pavón hospital in Mexico City, described treating Covid-19 patients with broken heart monitors and faulty suction machines.
At Dr. Carlos Mac Gregor hospital in Mexico City, Berenice Andrade, a doctor, said that one internist quit because of the lack of personnel and that only one doctor watched over 54 patients during the weekends.
"It makes the care we offer very deficient," said Dr. Andrade. "The patient's health is of course affected. ".
Five health workers have died at La Raza Medical Center, a public hospital complex in Mexico City, according to a spokesman for the federal health system. This month, one of the hospitals started offering psychological support to workers.
"It's not easy knowing that one day you were working with someone and the next, they aren't there anymore," said Ivette theíaz, an intensive care nurse, who is 37 and lives with her elderly parents. "I'm scared every day. My alarm goes off and I don't want to go to work. ".
The hospital has never had enough supplies, she said. Bandages don't stick to patients because they've lost their adhesive. But after her colleagues blocked roads leading into the hospital last month, executives began providing more protective equipment. Still, the masks that they gave out were perforated, because of a manufacturing flaw, Ms. Theíaz said.
"If here in Mexico they invested in the health sector, if we had adequate materials, things would look very different," she said.
She spent her day off recently scouring the streets of her neighborhood until she found a local vendor to sell her a batch of masks. She paid $7 for each, a small price for a mask free of holes, she decided.
[QUOTE=BodyAnybody;2453814]Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html[/URL]
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.[/QUOTE]BodyAnyBody: Did you even read the material from the thread you provided / posted?
Where exactly from the CDC website did you get the 0.004% rate that you assert?
Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.
"You know how reading the news sometimes makes you wish you were illiterate? Yeah, this is one of those days. Last week, a Nevada woman died while undergoing treatment in a Las Vegas hospital. While her cause of death was officially ruled as a bacterial infection, some medical professionals are calling the woman's death a potential warning shot in the upcoming war against unstoppable superbugs. The bacteria responsible for the woman's death belongs to a class of potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria known as CREs — carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae. Carbapenem are a type of antibiotics typically given to treat infections of drug-resistant bacteria; the fact that a new class of superbugs are resistant to even these drugs is worrying many in the medical industry.
Bill Hanage, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at Harvard, told medical news blog STAT that according to these latest data, we might have already lost the war against superbugs. . . " Also, in Mexico, the hospital staff are very old fashioned. They expect their patients to pay their bills. Which means you do not get to leave until payment is made and hospital security will lock you down until you or your family pays up. . . A number of Americans make this discovery on their vacations after an accident and discuss their nightmare experiences on the Mexico Vacation Awareness blog. . .
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2454373]'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.
Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.
By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.
The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.
In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.
Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travv;2454414]Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.[/QUOTE]Several years ago, when I had some back surgery, the surgeon told me that as soon as I was able to get up and walk around, I. E. The day of the surgery, or the next day, I was to get out and go home. He said the worst place for a sick person to be is the hospital.
CDC now suspects a much larger US population has been infected with CoVid-19 but showed no or mild symptoms, therefore undetected, untested, untreated.
One of the bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then recovered. He went to LabCorp for an antibody test and tested positive. That means he is immune and can go to La Zona and have sexy fun with pretty chicas.
He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.
Any bros and chicas tested positive for CoVid-19 antibodies should have immunity and can fun with immunity. I am waiting for my appointment.
[URL]https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19[/URL]
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2454619]He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.
[URL]https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19[/URL][/QUOTE]Over two weeks ago the FDA put out an announcement stating their concerns about the accuracy of the Abbot test.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-informs-public-about-possible-accuracy-concerns-abbott-id-now-point[/URL]
Travv,
Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.
Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.
In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.
Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.
$840 K for 2-week treatment of a CoVid-19 patient. The medicines alone costed over $250 K. Damn. This is way more expensive than living full time all year with 50 hottest HK girls in Cascada's penthouse suite with all food and booze catered by Azul's.
The CoVid doctors are ecstatic of their exceptionally high income this year and already started shopping for new MBZ AMGs for themselves and the wives.
The bros should send their CoVid-19 bills to Chairman Xi JinPing for payment. Have the nastiest collection agencies call him everyday until he pays all bills in full. If not, just seize all US Treasury bonds owned by China's government.
COVID survivor receives $840,000 statement for treatment, with more on the way.
By: Jason GruenauerPosted at 4:48 PM, May 29,2020 and last updated 3:48 PM, May 29,2020.
CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Robert Dennis spent weeks in the hospital, fighting and beating the coronavirus. He's now back at home, working his way through recovery, but he's not done with the virus entirely just yet. The high school teacher just received his first itemized statement for the cost of his care: $840,386. 94.
"Seeing that number yesterday for the first bill it kind of took your breath away again," Robert's wife Suzanne, who also beat the virus, told Denver7.
The statement covers Robert's time at Sky Ridge Medical Center, where he was in the intensive care unit and intubated for two weeks.
"His meds just at the hospital are a quarter million dollars," Suzanne said.
What is not included is Robert's three weeks at Spalding Rehabilitation Hospital, or his wife's trips to the emergency room when she was fighting the virus. The couple estimates their total bills to top one and a half million dollars.
"It's scary. I don't care how much you have covered. It's scary to see that kind of number and not really know," Suzanne said.
The couple has insurance. They plan on calling to make sure that they are covered early next week.
The Colorado Division of Insurance tells Denver7 that if their department regulates the insurance, that patient will be protected by a state emergency regulation. Also, if the hospital that treated a patient received CARES Act funding, they are not required to send bills for COVID-19 treatment.
On March 10th, Vice President Mike Pence told reporters, "All of our major health insurance companies have now joined with Medicare and Medicaid and agreed to waive all copays, cover the cost of all treatment for those who contract the coronavirus, they've committed to no surprise billing, and they've committed to encourage telemedicine."
"I would have probably sat down and cried yesterday if didn't know we had insurance and that was pretty good, but if you don't have that comfort of knowing something is there, I don't know how you make that ok with yourself," Suzanne said.
Denver7 is committed to helping you navigate the healthcare system, save money and get the care you need, through a new initiative called Contact7 Cost of Care.
These doctors made anecdotal observations in clinical setting.
Unless the original virus stops spreading and they have RNA proof CoVid-19 has mutated into less deadly strains, they are only talking out of their Italian asses.
The epidemiologists are far more qualified to make this determination.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-184358113.html[/URL]
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says, Reuters May 31,2020, 11:43 AM PDT.
ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.
"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.
"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.
Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.
However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.
Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.
"We've got to get back to being a normal country," he said. "Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country. ".
The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.
"Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared. I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.
"We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks. ".
A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken.
"The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.
"It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different. ".
Google for full article: Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should Be 'Widely Available And Promoted Immediately' As Standard Treatment.
Hydroxychloroqine. A cheap, widely-prescribed anti-malaria drug which was deemed safe for decades until it showed efficacy treating coronavirus. Needs to be made "widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe," according to Yale epidemiologist Dr. Harvey Risch.
In a Wedensday manuscript detailing how high-risk COVID-19 patients should be treated, Risch notes that the combination of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and the antibiotic azithromycin (AZ) "has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reportsand public media," and that "Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. " Risch recommends the combination of HCQ+AZ "preferably with zinc" as a "standard outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better, whether that could be remdesivir or something else."
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," said LOS Angeles doctor Dr. Anthony Cardillo, adding "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
Piri's is selling HCQ for around 650 pesos if you want peace of mind about the CCP flu. . . Possibly zinc sulfate pills also, but you'll need to ask the pharmacist about those. . .
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/china-delayed-releasing-critical-coronavirus-data-to-who-report/[/URL]
China reportedly delayed releasing critical coronavirus data to WHO.
By Mark Moore June 2, 2020.
10:09 am.
Chinese President Xi Jinping learns about progress on a vaccine and antibodies during a visit to the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing. Getty Images.
China delayed releasing critical information about the coronavirus in the weeks after the outbreak was first reported — even as the World Health Organization publicly lauded the Communist country for its quick response to the pandemic, according to a report Tuesday.
The WHO in January praised China for "immediately" releasing a genetic map of the coronavirus and said its efforts to be transparent were "very impressive, and beyond words," the Associated Press reported.
At the same time, WHO officials behind the scenes were frustrated that China was slow-walking their ability to get information to combat the spread of the virus, which had first been reported in late December in Wuhan, China, because they were losing valuable time, according to the report.
"We're going on very minimal information," said American epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove, now the WHO's technical lead for COVID-19, in one internal meeting during the week of Jan. 6. "It's clearly not enough for you to do proper planning."
"We're currently at the stage where, yes, they're giving it to us 15 minutes before it appears on CCTV," the WHO's top official in China, Dr. Gauden Galea, referring to the state-owned China Central Television, said in another meeting, the AP reported.
The Chinese Communist Party did not release the genetic map of the virus for more than a week after three government labs had decoded the information, the report said, because of tight controls on releasing data.
The genetic map was finally released after another lab published it on a virologist website on Jan. 11.
It took the Chinese Communist Party another two weeks to provide the WHO with full data on patients and cases, according to recordings of internal meetings by the United Nations health agency.
The delay in releasing the genetic data slowed the development of a vaccine and the absence of detailed information about patients made it difficult to determine how quickly the coronavirus was spreading around the world.
Between the time a Chinese lab decoded the info on Jan. 2 and Jan. 30, when the WHO declared a global emergency, the virus spread by a factor of 100 to 200 times, the AP reported, citing infection data from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
"It's obvious that we could have saved more lives and avoided many, many deaths if China and the WHO had acted faster," Ali Mokdad, a professor at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, told the wire service.
There are now more than 6 million cases worldwide, and the death toll has surpassed 370,000.
President Trump, who has accused the WHO of colluding with China to hold back data on the coronavirus, last Friday cut ties with the UN agency.
"China has total control over the World Health Organization," Trump said at the White House, noting that the US contributed $450 million to the WHO each year compared to China's $40 million.
Mexico's death is hitting new high:
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/china-accused-hiding-coronavirus-data-live-updates-200603232724685.html[/URL]
Wed June 3 2020,01:33 GMT. Mexico reports new one-day high of 1,092 coronavirus deaths.
The coronavirus toll in Mexico has soared to a new daily high, with the health department reporting 1,092 test-confirmed deaths. More than double the previous one-day record and in line with numbers in the United States and Brazil, according to AP news agency.
The announcement was an embarrassment for officials, who have consistently predicted that cases in Mexico were about to start leveling off. The country began a gradual reopening of industrial and business activity on Monday.
Mexico has at least 101,000 cases and more than 11,000 deaths.
But words on the streets said people are crossing over to Tijuana in cars and on foot, no checking or restriction whatsoever.
[URL]https://www.bajabound.com/travelupdates/borderupdate.php[/URL]
Tijuana.
On March 26th, the mayor of Tijuana signed the Emergency Declaration of Sanitary Risks in which the city outlined steps to take in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19. All residents are encouraged to stay home and to avoid going out in public. Essential businesses are open, which include: hospitals, pharmacies, medical clinics, financial services, markets, supermarkets, restaurants (take-out or delivery only), among others.
Rosarito.
Inspection points have been set up in the entrances to Playas de Rosarito to ensure drivers are obeying the stay at home order. If they are found to be out for non-essential reasons, they are being directed to return home. The inspection points are in Ejido Plan Libertador, Popotla and the corredor 2000.
All beaches are closed in Playas de Rosarito and are being patrolled by authorities to ensure the closures are being respected.
Ensenada.
On April 20th, the municipal government of Ensenada announced their initiative "Vamos Juntos" in which the city outlined measures to be taken in order to try to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
As one of the measures, Ensenada's mayor announced the city would block access in order to protect its citizens. Checkpoints have been set up across the city verifying that people have a reason to be entering. The only permissible reasons to enter Ensenada are for emergencies, medical appointments, transportation to essential workplaces, and to supply food and medicine.
People entering Ensenada may be asked to provide proof of domicile, such as a utility bill. The checkpoints are are set up in the following areas: El Sauzal de Rodríguez, Real del Castillo (Ojos Negros), Punta Colonet and San Quintíand, as well as in la Ruta del Vino.
A curfew from 9:00 pm to 6:00 am has also been implemented.
The measures were initially going to last until April 30th, however, they have been extended through the month of June.
Mexicali Municipality.
Mexicali is following the guidelines set forth by the state and Mexican Federal Government.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2456085]
But words on the streets said people are crossing over to Tijuana in cars and on foot, no checking or restriction whatsoever.
[/QUOTE]I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.).
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.
Dickus,
We were in Tijuana Saturday afternoon. Car and foot traffic were probably 5% before lock down. Hotels are open but all bars were closed. Restaurants and food carts only the take out. You don't even have a place to sit down to eat or drink. It was boring and tiring hanging out in La Zona.
HK had a clandestine lounge with a small bar next top Cascada's North lobby. There were no clients, only 4 older and unattractive girls were sitting around with half dozen meseros moping around looking glum and worried. Guys reported 40 girls at night but that makeshift lounge is big enough to cram in no more than 10 girls, not even counting clients and meseros.
About 30 to 40 girls were in the alley and the surround streets, some of the hottest and most popular, Camilla, Edith, Samantha etc. There were no mongers and very few people on the streets while we were there. Quite a few street girls were actually hot and attractive, far more than the 4 HK girls. Guys can hang out in the alley doing street girls and eat take out food. My wingman contacted a few escorts but they were either busy or not working.
Plan on doing street girls or get a hotel room and book your favorite escorts. Without nice places to sit to eat, drink and be entertained it's boring to hang out in La Zona.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.)
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2456772]I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.).
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2456830]Dickus,
We were in Tijuana Saturday afternoon. Car and foot traffic were probably 5% before lock down. Hotels are open but all bars were closed. Restaurants and food carts only the take out. You don't even have a place to sit down to eat or drink. It was boring and tiring hanging out in La Zona.
HK had a clandestine lounge with a small bar next top Cascada's North lobby. There were no clients, only 4 older and unattractive girls were sitting around with half dozen meseros moping around looking glum and worried. Guys reported 40 girls at night but that makeshift lounge is big enough to cram in no more than 10 girls, not even counting clients and meseros.
About 30 to 40 girls were in the alley and the surround streets, some of the hottest and most popular, Camilla, Edith, Samantha etc. There were no mongers and very few people on the streets while we were there. Quite a few street girls were actually hot and attractive, far more than the 4 HK girls. Guys can hang out in the alley doing street girls and eat take out food. My wingman contacted a few escorts but they were either busy or not working.
Plan on doing street girls or get a hotel room and book your favorite escorts. Without nice places to sit to eat, drink and be entertained it's boring to hang out in La Zona.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.)
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.[/QUOTE]Hotel room and a revolving door of escorts is all the plan I need. I just need to get out there and execute the plan.
Wearing a face mask during sex can reduce COVID-19 transmission, say doctors.
Elise Solé.
Kissing is a 'high risk behavior' for COVID-19, warns a new study.
In the wake of conflicting studies on whether or not COVID-19 is present in semen, researchers from three Boston hospitals have released sexual health guidelines describing the riskiest behavior, and offering some unusual advice about when to wear masks.
The guidelines, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, note that any type of in-person sexual activity is a COVID-19 risk factor given the limited data on sexual transmission, and the knowledge that SARS-CoV-2 can spread through saliva, mucus, aerosolized particles or, although less common, by touching the eyes, nose and mouth after touching an infected surface.
The sex-positive study ranks habits from the safest to the riskiest through the CDC's social distancing model. Sexual abstinence and masturbation are the safest moves, followed by phone or video sex (which comes with its own risks, the authors warn) and sleeping with a live-in partner, if neither has been exposed or is asymptomatic. Sexual activity with a person other than those with whom you're quarantining is considered the riskiest behavior — and the researchers recommend wearing a face mask in that case.
"We recognize that it may come as an unusual recommendation, but wearing a mask during intercourse with someone from outside the home may reduce risk, as may a range of other strategies, including showering, hand-washing and cleaning surfaces where the virus may reside following sex," Dr. Jack Turban, lead author and resident physician in psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital and McLean Hospital tells Yahoo Life. "Unfortunately, the virus is easily spread via respiratory particles, making kissing a higher-risk behavior than other intimate acts," Turban adds.
Despite the risk associated with this type of intimacy, the study encourages doctors to be nonjudgmental when asking patients about their sex lives. Luckily, public health experts are starting to pay attention to the fact that abstinence-only recommendations are unlikely to be successful and may lead to worse outcomes. Turban tells Yahoo Life.
Major health organizations recommend the use of face masks to prevent passing on respiratory droplets that could spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But while face masks may help mitigate risks for non-live-in sexual partners, experts say it's not a perfect solution — and note that anyone engaging in sexual activity may be putting themself at risk.
"We're not saying, Wear a mask and don't worry, Dr. Kenneth Mayer, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and one of the authors of the study, tells Yahoo Life, More that if you wear one, you'll decrease risk. The study notes that research is mixed on whether or not COVID-19 is present in semen, with one study from China finding virtually zero evidence that it is and another finding the opposite. Until this is better understood, it would be prudent to consider semen potentially infectious," the authors write.
Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of both the National LGBT Health Education Center at the Fenway Institute and the Massachusetts General Hospital Psychiatry Gender Identity Program, tells Yahoo Life that sex may be a hazard for the foreseeable future. "The risks of physical contact among persons not in quarantine with one another will remain very real in the absence of adequate vaccination across the population," says Keuroghlian.
The report results, of course, are not meant as a prescriptive list of sexual do's and don'ts; rather it provides recommendations for how to slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The researchers say couples will have to decide what they're comfortable doing behind closed doors. "The major takeaway from this paper is that risk lies on a spectrum," says Turban. "Abstinence is the safest recommendation to prevent the spread of the virus, but for many people this will not be attainable. Sex with those from outside the home is higher risk than sex with those residing in the home, and is one way to decrease risk. ".
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/nyc-health-department-advises-masks-kinky-zoom-parties/[/URL]
I was at a Sharp clinic up here for something not related to the virus and it was dead! Amazing how few people were in the Sharp clinic. Bare-bones crew. The media and politicians can go back and forth about the danger level but the hospitals really give you a clue to how this virus is not the flu at any level.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2454636]Travv,
Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.
Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.
In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.
Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.[/QUOTE]
Goyo.
Have no idea where this Sharp hospital is.
Looks like a lot of hospitals were ordered to delay all elective treatments to reserve room for Covid-19 patients, so they stay empty. There were news doctors and nurses got furloughed or hours reduced. People also vastly cancel or delay visiting their doctors so revenues are down. Healthcare workers are mad.
Even before CoVid-19 I know a few hospitals in SoCal that ran on empty most of the time. Their nursing staff are mostly temporary, careless types. Their doctors are known to make a lot of serious mistakes, some even fatal. They are known as death-trap hospitals. Rich doctors pool their money to build medical and surgeries centers that had very few patients, running on empty. A few were foreclosed.
Sharp Rees-Stealy Medical Group. Near Camino Ruiz and Mira Mesa blvd. Nice new building. Been going there for years for little stuff now and then.
Will see how they reopen over the next month etc.
Several people at my work have their health insurance in Tijuana at Simnsa just over the boarder and drive back and forth all the time.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2457758]Goyo.
Have no idea where this Sharp hospital is.
Looks like a lot of hospitals were ordered to delay all elective treatments to reserve room for Covid-19 patients, so they stay empty. There were news doctors and nurses got furloughed or hours reduced. People also vastly cancel or delay visiting their doctors so revenues are down. Healthcare workers are mad.
Even before CoVid-19 I know a few hospitals in SoCal that ran on empty most of the time. Their nursing staff are mostly temporary, careless types. Their doctors are known to make a lot of serious mistakes, some even fatal. They are known as death-trap hospitals. Rich doctors pool their money to build medical and surgeries centers that had very few patients, running on empty. A few were foreclosed.[/QUOTE]
COVID Senior Death Rate in Los Angeles County and cities is extremely high as 90%+ of reported death in some cities and certain SNF.
First SNF in Pasadena closed yesterday, patients transfers (69) to other SNF.
[QUOTE=Goyo61;2457564]I was at a Sharp clinic up here for something not related to the virus and it was dead! Amazing how few people were in the Sharp clinic. Bare-bones crew. The media and politicians can go back and forth about the danger level but the hospitals really give you a clue to how this virus is not the flu at any level.
Goyo.[/QUOTE]
Comrade Sound7 has an excellent idea.
Hong Kong should reopen as a a skilled nursing home so the nurses can take care of the pervs and keep them very happy.
Death in Skilled Nursing Homes.
FEMA Reimburse:
COVID including ventilator treatment $39,000.
Standard COVID. $19,000.
Typical Skilled Nursing Facility average daily rate $1,000.
Hospital average daily stay $10,000.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2458724]Comrade Sound7 has an excellent idea.
Hong Kong should reopen as a a skilled nursing home so the nurses can take care of the pervs and keep them very happy.
Death in Skilled Nursing Homes.[/QUOTE]
With this $39 K FEMA's reimbursement, I volunteer for 3 months of CoVid treatment in the New Hong Kong Nursing Home with 100 hot chicas doing mouth-to-mouth ventilation and penile resuscitation therapies.
Would be far happier than being molested, violated and sexually abused by old, fat, ugly nurses in the US.
HK model very affordable for cash payment.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448366]Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.
Why would you want to come out from shelter when infection rates haven't sufficiently declined? Or not declined at all?
In many states the rate has not declined, only its rate of increase has declined.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases. Similar for Spain. We might be experiencing a lower death rate in the United States than the rate in Italy. But our death rate in the United States health "system" is only around half or a third of of that of Italy, NOT 110 times lower.[/QUOTE]Eight weeks ago I wrote that we seemed to jumping to fast into "reopening" in the United States.
The required guidelines for reopening were not being met, but instead ignored.
It brings me no joy to have been correct.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2462314]Eight weeks ago I wrote that we seemed to jumping to fast into "reopening" in the United States.
The required guidelines for reopening were not being met, but instead ignored.
It brings me no joy to have been correct.[/QUOTE]Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later, the infection rates are up due to increased testing, the virus has been here since late November, my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463797]Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later, the infection rates are up due to increased testing, the virus has been here since late November, my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.[/QUOTE]So true, this why we should not be shutting down and returning to normal. I would say much higher then 35%. The world needs to get to normal, especially Mexico, but they continue to tighten up. This is going to be way worse financially then any of us could have ever imagined. What a mess.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463797]Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later,[/QUOTE]That is not being asserted in countries that have managed the pandemic well, like New Zealand, Taiwan, Denmark, Norway & Canada, probably because it is not true.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463797]the virus has been here since late November,[/QUOTE]According to Wikipedia: The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic was confirmed to have reached the United States in January 2020. The first confirmed case of local transmission was recorded in January, while the first known deaths happened in February. What source can you cite Scbb1?
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463797]my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.[/QUOTE]You seem to be making a piss poor guess. San Diego County so far has reported 15,696 confirmed Covid-19 infections. If the real rate of infection was 10 times greater, then it would still be less than 1/2 of 1% of San Diego County residents (infected today). Remember, more than 3 million people live in San Diego County! Where (other than your ass) do you get your 35% infection rate?
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463797], my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.[/QUOTE]Correcting my math in my prior post. With between 15 K and 16 K of confirmed Covid-19 infections in San Diego county, that is a infection rate of around 1/2 of 1% for the 3.1 million residents of San Diego County. If the real rate of infection is ten times greater, as CDC recently speculated, that's still only 5% of residents, not the 35% in your guess.
Why do you think that around 1 million of San Diego County residents are infected? If that were the case, San Diego hospitals would look worse than Tijuana & have most of their patients overflowing into hospital parking lots.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2463836]That is not being asserted in countries that have managed the pandemic well, like New Zealand, Taiwan, Denmark, Norway & Canada, probably because it is not true.
According to Wikipedia: The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic was confirmed to have reached the United States in January 2020. The first confirmed case of local transmission was recorded in January, while the first known deaths happened in February. What source can you cite Scbb1?
You seem to be making a piss poor guess. San Diego County so far has reported 15,696 confirmed Covid-19 infections. If the real rate of infection was 10 times greater, then it would still be less than 1/2 of 1% of San Diego County residents (infected today). Remember, more than 3 million people live in San Diego County! Where (other than your ass) do you get your 35% infection rate?[/QUOTE]I am going to issue a disclaimer for my response and original post as I am not a medical professional and have been affected personally by COVID by having 3 sanctioned masters boxing tournaments disappear. I must now wait until the end of October to visit Tijuana just to get 2 fights in this year. My opinions are based on common sense. I will elaborate below:
1. The COVID 19 virus originated in Wuhan China sometime in the fall of 2019. We will never know the exact date due to an attempted Chinese cover up. That is a fact.
2. 8000 Chinese nationals from China including Wuhan visited California each and every day until 30 Jan 2020. That is a fact. So not one of them had the virus?
3. I contracted the virus in December of 2019 along with a lot of people from work. One with diabetes had to be put on a ventilator. That is a fact (however since the fear mongering media did not sink there teeth into COVID at that time I was not tested).
4. An out break occurred on a US aircraft carrier a few months back, 80% of the personnel were asymptomatic due to there good health and age. That is a fact.
5. Based on a CDC report the infection rate is 10 time higher based on antibody testing. That is a fact. See link.
[URL]https://www.10news.com/news/national/coronavirus/cdc-covid-19-cases-in-us-may-be-10-times-higher-than-reported?fbclid=IwAR0b9Lvi0bXbG8FH4K1p2_riXlhc9uOEw5zrnU0rdgiZBRC0m6xAzWdV_aU[/URL]
6. Death rates from COVID have dropped to smaller percentage than when we were locked down, a lot of those deaths were people that died with COVID not because of it. The CDC says because of this COVID may lose it's epidemic status. See link.
[URL]https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-19-close-losing-its-epidemic-status-us-according-cdc?fbclid=IwAR1Qh7j7qDxIgsWziDTDuvLx7mLkwLREIXVUkL9hErVC3OzTscihllE9zHE[/URL]
7. Based on the the amount of infections predicted by the CDC that have already occurred, the death rate is more like. 026%. My 35% infected population estimate is based on common sense, not the fear mongering media reports. You can take it or leave it.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463987]5. Based on a CDC report the infection rate is 10 time higher based on antibody testing. That is a fact. See link.
[URL]https://www.10news.com/news/national/coronavirus/cdc-covid-19-cases-in-us-may-be-10-times-higher-than-reported?fbclid=IwAR0b9Lvi0bXbG8FH4K1p2_riXlhc9uOEw5zrnU0rdgiZBRC0m6xAzWdV_aU[/URL]
7. Based on the the amount of infections predicted by the CDC that have already occurred, the death rate is more like. 026%. My 35% infected population estimate is based on common sense, not the fear mongering media reports. You can take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]Ten times the number of 15,696 is only 156,960, not the 1 million infected San Diegians as you assert.
Your faulty "common sense" is based on bad math.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2463987]I am going to issue a disclaimer for my response and original post as I am not a medical professional and have been affected personally by COVID by having 3 sanctioned masters boxing tournaments disappear. I must now wait until the end of October to visit Tijuana just to get 2 fights in this year. My opinions are based on common sense. I will elaborate below:
1. The COVID 19 virus originated in Wuhan China sometime in the fall of 2019. We will never know the exact date due to an attempted Chinese cover up. That is a fact.
2. 8000 Chinese nationals from China including Wuhan visited California each and every day until 30 Jan 2020. That is a fact. So not one of them had the virus?
3. I contracted the virus in December of 2019 along with a lot of people from work. One with diabetes had to be put on a ventilator. That is a fact (however since the fear mongering media did not sink there teeth into COVID at that time I was not tested).
4. An out break occurred on a US aircraft carrier a few months back, 80% of the personnel were asymptomatic due to there good health and age. That is a fact.
5. Based on a CDC report the infection rate is 10 time higher based on antibody testing. That is a fact. See link.
[URL]https://www.10news.com/news/national/coronavirus/cdc-covid-19-cases-in-us-may-be-10-times-higher-than-reported?fbclid=IwAR0b9Lvi0bXbG8FH4K1p2_riXlhc9uOEw5zrnU0rdgiZBRC0m6xAzWdV_aU[/URL]
6. Death rates from COVID have dropped to smaller percentage than when we were locked down, a lot of those deaths were people that died with COVID not because of it. The CDC says because of this COVID may lose it's epidemic status. See link.
[URL]https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-19-close-losing-its-epidemic-status-us-according-cdc?fbclid=IwAR1Qh7j7qDxIgsWziDTDuvLx7mLkwLREIXVUkL9hErVC3OzTscihllE9zHE[/URL]
7. Based on the the amount of infections predicted by the CDC that have already occurred, the death rate is more like. 026%. My 35% infected population estimate is based on common sense, not the fear mongering media reports. You can take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]I have taken a lot of time to dig into the data behind the media reports. I am convinced that while COVID-19 is real and has serious complications for older patients, that is has been way overhyped in the news. I believe that all of the facts you quoted above are correct. (except for the 35%, I don't think it's quite that high yet, but it's possible.) Furthermore, significant numbers of asymptomatic cases explain why it seemed to explode out of nowhere. It appears when someone sensitive contacts an asymptomatic carrier. That there are so many symptomatic carriers or people who show only mild symptoms means the death rate is much lower than scare-mongering media wants us to believe and likely no worse than a bad flu.
Furthermore, the media has turned to complete rubbish. When I take the time to dig up the underlying info, the press accounts are almost always a completely distorted picture of what happened. How it's distorted depends on who's reporting it, but it's all bullshit.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2463999]I have taken a lot of time to dig into the data behind the media reports. I am convinced that while COVID-19 is real and has serious complications for older patients, that is has been way overhyped in the news. I believe that all of the facts you quoted above are correct. (except for the 35%, I don't think it's quite that high yet, but it's possible.) Furthermore, significant numbers of asymptomatic cases explain why it seemed to explode out of nowhere. It appears when someone sensitive contacts an asymptomatic carrier. That there are so many symptomatic carriers or people who show only mild symptoms means the death rate is much lower than scare-mongering media wants us to believe and likely no worse than a bad flu.
Furthermore, the media has turned to complete rubbish. When I take the time to dig up the underlying info, the press accounts are almost always a completely distorted picture of what happened. How it's distorted depends on who's reporting it, but it's all bullshit.[/QUOTE]In just the last four months, Covid-19 has killed over twice as many Americans than died in the Vietnam War.
The United States was heavily involved in that war for (I think) over 9 years.
Perhaps more than a million Americans will face multiple months of recovery time and lingering health complications from having suffered through it and survived.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2463995]Ten times the number of 15,696 is only 156,960, not the 1 million infected San Diegians as you assert.
Your faulty "common sense" is based on bad math.[/QUOTE]The CDC conclusion is based on normal cities without a lot of tourism. If you are a Chinese national where are you going to visit with your tourist visa, I would say Disneyland (have you ever been there and seen how many Asian tourist are there). Since your only 2 hours away how about a stop at the San Diego Zoo (the largest zoo in the world) and a quick stop at Wild Animal park which is on the way, How about a day at Mission Beach to relax, now lets multiply that by 8,000 people a day, after that you will conclude my estimate is not that far fetched.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2464048]The CDC conclusion is based on normal cities without a lot of tourism. If you are a Chinese national where are you going to visit with your tourist visa, I would say Disneyland (have you ever been there and seen how many Asian tourist are there). Since your only 2 hours away how about a stop at the San Diego Zoo (the largest zoo in the world) and a quick stop at Wild Animal park which is on the way, How about a day at Mission Beach to relax, now lets multiply that by 8,000 people a day, after that you will conclude my estimate is not that far fetched.[/QUOTE]So your explanation for your [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] belief that 1 million San Diego County residents are now infected with Covid-19 (and not just a CDC estimated ten-fold number exceeding the 15,696 confirmed cases) is that roaming bands of Chinese tourists didn't travel to other parts of the United States, but instead traveled all over San Diego County (prior to February) and coughed on other people in San Diego tourist venues?
Yes. Yes. And also. If you have any idea what ICU costs per day. If you have insurance thank god. If you don't. You just spent the same amount you would have to buy a small condo.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2464016]In just the last four months, Covid-19 has killed over twice as many Americans than died in the Vietnam War.
The United States was heavily involved in that war for (I think) over 9 years.
Perhaps more than a million Americans will face multiple months of recovery time and lingering health complications from having suffered through it and survived.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2463999]I have taken a lot of time to dig into the data behind the media reports. I am convinced that while COVID-19 is real and has serious complications for older patients, that is has been way overhyped in the news. I believe that all of the facts you quoted above are correct. (except for the 35%, I don't think it's quite that high yet, but it's possible.) Furthermore, significant numbers of asymptomatic cases explain why it seemed to explode out of nowhere. .[/QUOTE]My observation is that the recent "explosion" in United States confirmed cases relates directly to premature relaxing of 'stay at home' warnings in May by reckless state governors in states that did not meet the CDC guidelines.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2463999]That there are so many symptomatic carriers or people who show only mild symptoms means the death rate is much lower than scare-mongering media wants us to believe and likely no worse than a bad flu.[/QUOTE]Well Dickus, we can look at the results of the 2016-2017 flu season. According to the CDC estimates, 29 million people in the United States had symptomatic illnesses from the flu, resulting in 38,000 deaths.
With three million confirmed cases in the United States, about half of those three million have concluded (resulting in recoveries or deaths).
From these numbers, the CDC could speculate the 3 million confirmed cases represent 29 to 30 million actual infections (the same number of flu illness as the '16-'17 flu season).
When the other half of today's infections eventually resolve in recoveries, or deaths, the death count is likely to top 200,000 (from the current 132,000 count).
The'16-'17 flu season resulted in only 38,000 deaths (without the resulting damaged health to the millions of surviving, recovered patients). Year 2020 is much more than just a bad flu season.
Donald Trump and the Republican Party has made us Americans far worse off than we were four years ago.
Dozens of other (well managed) countries are handling Covid much better than the United States, with better results to show.
"QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2464414"So your explanation for your belief that 1 million San Diego County residents are now infected with Covid-19 (and not just a CDC estimated ten-fold number exceeding the 15,696 confirmed cases) is that roaming bands of Chinese tourists didn't travel to other parts of the United States, but instead traveled all over San Diego County (prior to February) and coughed on other people in San Diego tourist venues?
Your right, I'm sure some Chinese tourist did venture to other parts of the United States, a few maybe wanted to see what a potato field looked likes in Idaho. Probably not on there priority list for their 2 week vacation though, But I am sure the vast majority of them went to the places I mentioned in my previous response, that is why the COVID cases were so high in those ares to start with. Now people from those places have spread the virus to to the lesser visited areas. But for the sake of argument my original disclaimer is reiterated.
"QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2465229"My observation is that the recent "explosion" in United States confirmed cases relates directly to premature relaxing of 'stay at home' warnings in May by reckless state governors in states that did not meet the CDC guidelines.
Well Dickus, we can look at the results of the 2016-2017 flu season. According to the CDC estimates, 29 million people in the United States had symptomatic illnesses from the flu, resulting in 38,000 deaths.
With three million confirmed cases in the United States, about half of those three million have concluded (resulting in recoveries or deaths).
From these numbers, the CDC could speculate the 3 million confirmed cases represent 29 to 30 million actual infections (the same number of flu illness as the '16-'17 flu season).
When the other half of today's infections eventually resolve in recoveries, or deaths, the death count is likely to top 200,000 (from the current 132,000 count).
The'16-'17 flu season resulted in only 38,000 deaths (without the resulting damaged health to the millions of surviving, recovered patients). Year 2020 is much more than just a bad flu season.
Donald Trump and the Republican Party has made us Americans far worse off than we were four years ago.
Dozens of other (well managed) countries are handling Covid much better than the United States, with better results to show.
The vast majority of people make a full recovery from COVID with no lingering complications, How would the Democrats have handled this pandemic?, by Pelosi encouraging the Chinese people in China town to socialize like she did in February? Oh and the virus explosion as you call it happened because of irresponsible governors opening to soon? When should we open? Most everyone is going to get this virus, that is why they say we are trying to slow the spread, not stop it. And I guess the BLM protest had nothing to do with the rise in infections to right?
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465786]Donald Trump and the Republican Party has made us Americans far worse off than we were four years ago.
Dozens of other (well managed) countries are handling Covid much better than the United States, with better results to show.
The vast majority of people make a full recovery from COVID with no lingering complications, How would the Democrats have handled this pandemic?[/QUOTE]President Obama had plans for dealing with an airborne virus. The democrats would not have ignored science and probably been instrumental in helping contain it when it first broke out in China. Just like the Obama administration was instrumental in handling & containing the Ebola outbreak.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465786]Oh and the virus explosion as you call it happened because of irresponsible governors opening to soon? When should we open? [/QUOTE]One of the CDC guidelines that was completely ignored by most (or all) reopening states was a 14 day decline in the infection rate / measures.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465786] Most everyone is going to get this virus[/QUOTE]Not true. Look at the results of countries successful in dealing with COVID, like New Zealand or Taiwan.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465786]Oh and the virus explosion as you call it happened because of irresponsible governors opening to soon? When should we open? Most everyone is going to get this virus, that is why they say we are trying to slow the spread, not stop it. And I guess the BLM protest had nothing to do with the rise in infections to right?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465781]Probably not on there priority list for their 2 week vacation though, [/QUOTE]Good recovery on spelling the word "their".
When it came around again.
QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2465809 President Obama had plans for dealing with an airborne virus. The democrats would not have ignored science and probably been instrumental in helping contain it when it first broke out in China. Just like the Obama administration was instrumental in handling & containing the Ebola outbreak.
One of the CDC guidelines that was completely ignored by most (or all) reopening states was a 14 day decline in the infection rate / measures.
Not true. Look at the results of countries successful in dealing with COVID, like New Zealand or Taiwan. / QUOTE.
Ebola is not an airborne virus, China purposely withheld information concerning COVID19, they didn't admit anything until it was to late, New Zealand and Taiwan are Islands, America has land borders with Mexico and Canada, We would have had to stop COVID in those countries as well because of our open border policy that Trump is trying to tighten up. There will never be a 14 day decline in COVID, there wasn't when we were locked down and will never be with our relentless testing and ease its of transmission.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465892]China purposely withheld information concerning COVID19, they didn't admit anything until it was to late[/QUOTE]President Obama was building towards a network of worldwide observers (on the ground) in other countries. Year over year increases in Wuhan area hospital traffic between Octobers in 2018 ad 2019 would not have gone unnoticed (as it did under the Trump Administration).
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465892]New Zealand and Taiwan are Islands,[/QUOTE]There are scores of Non-island nations that have performed much better than the United States in their management of the pandemic.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465892]America has land borders with Mexico and Canada,[/QUOTE]Both of which are taking measures to reduce non-essential travel to their countries.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465892]There will never be a 14 day decline in COVID[/QUOTE]There were declines of that duration (even longer) in many of the countries that have had much better success in fighting COVID-19.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465892]There will never be a 14 day decline in COVID, there wasn't when we were locked down[/QUOTE]Which supports the general consensus that many early opening states opened much too early.
"QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2465912]President Obama was building towards a network of worldwide observers (on the ground) in other countries. Year over year increases in Wuhan area hospital traffic between Octobers in 2018 ad 2019 would not have gone unnoticed (as it did under the Trump Administration).
There are scores of Non-island nations that have performed much better than the United States in their management of the pandemic.
Both of which are taking measures to reduce non-essential travel to their countries.
There were declines of that duration (even longer) in many of the countries that have had much better success in fighting COVID-19.
Which supports the general consensus that many early opening states opened much too early. ".
Spies are routinely executed in China (the real culprits here), other countries do not do near the testing we do, The borders are closed except for essential personnel, once again when should we open? The virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon. A vaccine is a year off if we are lucky.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2466093], other countries do not do near the testing we do, The borders are closed except for essential personnel, once again when should we open? The virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon. A vaccine is a year off if we are lucky.[/QUOTE]When should we re-open?
I don't know all the CDC's suggested measures for re-opening.
There was the declining rates of infections over of period of around two weeks.
I remember a lot of discussion as to a country the size of the United States needing daily testing volumes ranging from half a million to as much as two million daily tests.
A week ago in the United States we were testing about 150,000 per day.
I don't know which border you think is closed except for essential personnel. My fellow hobbyists don't seem to be having much resistance to their mongering trips these days to La Zona.
"QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2466189]When should we re-open?
I don't know all the CDC's suggested measures for re-opening.
There was the declining rates of infections over of period of around two weeks.
I remember a lot of discussion as to a country the size of the United States needing daily testing volumes ranging from half a million to as much as two million daily tests.
A week ago in the United States we were testing about 150,000 per day.
I don't know which border you think is closed except for essential personnel. My fellow hobbyists don't seem to be having much resistance to their mongering trips these days to La Zona. "/ QUOTE".
There is a border closure with the exception of essential personnel, How aggressive Canada and Mexico are with it is up to them. I know we are.
[URL]https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/us-mexico-canada-agree-to-extend-border-restrictions-to-next-month/2348064/[/URL]
What would extending the lock down accomplish?, Most everyone is going to get this virus anyways. By the way, the death rates are going way down.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2466552]By the way, the death rates are going way down.[/QUOTE]I would hope so as many resources are devoted to improving treatment. The approximate +10% death rates initially experienced by Italy & Spain needed improvement, even as it remains much more deadly than the regular waves of flu.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2466552]"Most everyone is going to get this virus anyways.[/QUOTE]That's not true at all. Most people in New Zealand won't get it. In New Zealand the pandemic peaked in early April, with 89 new cases recorded per day and 929 active cases. As of 5 July 2020, the country has 23 active cases, all from people in managed isolation following travel to New Zealand. There have been no locally-acquired cases reported since 22 May 2020.
I only hear stupid reasons why masks are not required in most states here.
From what I've read its hopeless. If you stay at Home as much as possible to avoid covid, you have to do it for years. People are getting covid twice which makes the drs think a vaccine nor herd immunity will not help much. The 2nd time you get covid it is worse as well. I'm shocked I haven't gotten it. I've been in protests. 3 dentist visits. Zona norte. 200 hours on packed trains with no masks by 90% of the people. But it definitely seems rather hopeless. I don't see life going back to normal for years. Many years.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2466609]From what I've read its hopeless. If you stay at Home as much as possible to avoid covid, you have to do it for years. People are getting covid twice which makes the drs think a vaccine nor herd immunity will not help much. The 2nd time you get covid it is worse as well. I'm shocked I haven't gotten it. I've been in protests. 3 dentist visits. Zona norte. 200 hours on packed trains with no masks by 90% of the people. But it definitely seems rather hopeless. I don't see life going back to normal for years. Many years.[/QUOTE]My favorite pussy is new pussy and new pussy doesn't happen sitting scared in your home. To each his own. No judging here.
LuvMex,
I know guys, who could not raise erections with their old wives even with ED pills, miraculously got raging hard ONS with hot girls in Tijuana hehe.
So you are an explorer of the dark, hairy and sexy pussy continent, just like Dr. Livingstone exploring Africa.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2466786]LuvMex,
I know guys, who could not raise erections with their old wives even with ED pills, miraculously got raging hard ONS with hot girls in Tijuana hehe.
So you are an explorer of the dark, hairy and sexy pussy continent, just like Dr. Livingstone exploring Africa.[/QUOTE]I'm just a guy who doesn't like the same cereal every day.
QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2466582]I would hope so as many resources are devoted to improving treatment. The approximate +10% death rates initially experienced by Italy & Spain needed improvement, even as it remains much more deadly than the regular waves of flu.
That's not true at all. Most people in New Zealand won't get it. In New Zealand the pandemic peaked in early April, with 89 new cases recorded per day and 929 active cases. As of 5 July 2020, the country has 23 active cases, all from people in managed isolation following travel to New Zealand. There have been no locally-acquired cases reported since 22 May 2020.
I only hear stupid reasons why masks are not required in most states here. QUOTE.
New Zealand is an island about the size of Colorado, pretty easy to control that with no land borders, We tried travel bans, they didn't work and were criticized. There is better treatment as the death rate has plummeted, but that doesn't matter if your goal is to ruin the economy. It appears your a liberal, my personnel policy is not to argue with them as it makes me physically ill. Lets just end the thread amplifying my disclaimer.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2466858]We tried travel bans, they didn't work and were criticized. There is better treatment as the death rate has plummeted, but that doesn't matter if your goal is to ruin the economy. It appears your a liberal, my personnel policy is not to argue with them as it makes me physically ill. Lets just end the thread amplifying my disclaimer.[/QUOTE]Fine.
Amplify on, whatever that means.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2466609]From what I've read its hopeless. If you stay at Home as much as possible to avoid covid, you have to do it for years. People are getting covid twice which makes the drs think a vaccine nor herd immunity will not help much. The 2nd time you get covid it is worse as well. I'm shocked I haven't gotten it. I've been in protests. 3 dentist visits. Zona norte. 200 hours on packed trains with no masks by 90% of the people. But it definitely seems rather hopeless. I don't see life going back to normal for years. Many years.[/QUOTE]People are not getting infected twice. There have not been any scientific cases of recovered patients being reinfected. What did happen were some false negative tests and some people experiencing slow recovery times, with the remnants of the original infections lingering for a long time. Anti-bodies work, and vaccines should work eventually.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2465786]How would the Democrats have handled this pandemic?[/QUOTE]Six years ago President Obama was moving towards getting the structures in place (using people on the ground) to identify when these outbreaks were sure to occur.
Here is President Barak Obama speaking about it in year 2014:
[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-pandemic-preparedness-2014/[/URL]
So I believe the democrats would have helped China and prevented COVID-19 from spreading into a pandemic. Their focus was already where it needed to be.
LOL. Favorite pussy is new pussy. Perty funny and true. The hole marriage thing was man made but not really what men are wired for at all. Were wired to mate as much as possible with a bunch of females.
Goyo.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2466719]My favorite pussy is new pussy and new pussy doesn't happen sitting scared in your home. To each his own. No judging here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2468009]Six years ago President Obama was moving towards getting the structures in place (using people on the ground) to identify when these outbreaks were sure to occur.
So I believe the democrats would have helped China and prevented COVID-19 from spreading into a pandemic. Their focus was already where it needed to be.[/QUOTE]Exactly. President Obama had a pandemic response team. Trump's administration disbanded it. Obama's response to Ebola is a pretty good indication of how the democrats would have handled COVID:
[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/24/chris-kirchhoff-ebola-coronavirus-response/[/URL]
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2468257]Exactly. President Obama had a pandemic response team. Trump's administration disbanded it. Obama's response to Ebola is a pretty good indication of how the democrats would have handled COVID:
[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/24/chris-kirchhoff-ebola-coronavirus-response/[/URL][/QUOTE]The amount of political back and forth on this issue is ridiculous. The virus doesn't care if you are republican or democrat. This virus doesn't care if you are an American or not. If we want to talk stats, I can skew statistics any way you'd like to support any point of view.
Second, comparing a COVID response to an Ebola response is beyond ludicrous. Night and day doesn't even do it justice.
I'm far from a fan of Trump. But the easiest argument in the world to make is "my side would have done better". Because it could never be disproved. None of the issues are as simple as we want to make it. We live in a free country. With that comes inherent risks. That's a fact. And I'd highlight this outbreak started in a country that has far fewer freedoms.
Lastly, just anecdotally, one observation from this past weekend. I do get the sense that people's level of concern around the virus has lowered some in Tijuana. In the past few weeks, I'd estimate 90-95% of people wore masks in public. This weekend, I would estimate it is around 60%. I say that as just an observation, not to belabor any political argument that should be posted on some other forum.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2468463]I'm far from a fan of Trump. But the easiest argument in the world to make is "my side would have done better". Because it could never be disproved. None of the issues are as simple as we want to make it. [/QUOTE]No, it really can be that simple.
President Obama spent a large portion of his eight years in office building up a pandemic team.
Soon after taking office, the Trumpster dismantled the United States pandemic team.
After that, this pandemic hit.
Trump's misplay, & the results of it, are easily seen by those willing to look.
We still see Trump ignore medical experts to this day.
Republicans can choose to remain acting blind, but they are not stopping others from seeing these things.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2468534]No, it really can be that simple.
President Obama spent a large portion of his eight years in office building up a pandemic team.
Soon after taking office, the Trumpster dismantled the United States pandemic team.
After that, this pandemic hit.
Trump's misplay, & the results of it, are easily seen by those willing to look.
We still see Trump ignore medical experts to this day.
Republicans can choose to remain acting blind, but they are not stopping others from seeing these things.[/QUOTE]I could mention the drastic differences on how Ebola and Covid-19 are spread. But it doesn't take much to know that Covid is infinitely more contagious. But sure, it was Obama. Smh.
And I could point out how false your statement is about the pandemic team. Here again, low hanging fruit for those that read beyond the misleading headlines.
Instead, I'll stay on topic and point out the time I've spent in Tijuana during this pandemic has left me no worse. Still healthy as a horse. I take reasonable precautions. And I live to tell the stories. Like your false story about dismantling the pandemic team, don't believe everything you read.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2468855]I could mention the drastic differences on how Ebola and Covid-19 are spread. But it doesn't take much to know that Covid is infinitely more contagious. But sure, it was Obama. Smh.
And I could point out how false your statement is about the pandemic team. Here again, low hanging fruit for those that read beyond the misleading headlines.
Instead, I'll stay on topic and point out the time I've spent in Tijuana during this pandemic has left me no worse. Still healthy as a horse. I take reasonable precautions. And I live to tell the stories. Like your false story about dismantling the pandemic team, don't believe everything you read.[/QUOTE]According to Judd Legum, who runs Popular Information:
Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that had gutted the nation's infectious disease defense infrastructure. The "pandemic response team" firing claim referred to news accounts from Spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.
Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer's team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported "had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks," had been fired one month prior.
It's thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer's position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.
Legum stated in a follow-up tweet that "Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China. " That was partly true, according to 2018 news reports stating that funding for the CDC's global disease outbreak prevention efforts had been reduced by 80%, including funding for the agency's efforts in China.
But that was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding, not a direct cut by the Trump administration. And as the CDC told FactCheck. Org, the cuts were ultimately avoided because Congress provided other funding.
On Feb. 24,2020, the Trump administration requested $2.5 billion to address the coronavirus outbreak, an outlay critics asserted might not have been necessary if the previous program cuts had not taken place.
[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/[/URL]
What did Obama ever do for us?
Even Monty Python understands: [URL]https://imgur.com/ZIJKeE3[/URL].
Fuck the left and right. Find me a president that will legalize prostitution. Vote him in!
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2469677]What did Obama ever do for us?
Even Monty Python understands: [URL]https://imgur.com/ZIJKeE3[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Look, anyone anti-Trump has been hearing since the inauguration from almost every media outlet about nearly every decision he has made and why he is a bad guy. Including most former members of Trump's cabinet.
Everyone pro Trump has read and heard all these same media accounts and somehow still supports him. So neither of you are going to ever convince anyone. You can't convince someone who has read a thousand credible articles showing with documented facts one point of view otherwise, nor can you convince someone who ignored those same articles.
So let's talk about what REALLY matters. How do you get BBFS from the hottest girls in Tijuana? I managed to somehow get it from the hottest or second hottest HK girl during the pre-covid months. The one who dresses in cosplay and is a spinner. $100 upcharge and surprisingly I didn't get an sti. Did her several times.
[QUOTE=Habeed;2470835]Look, anyone anti-Trump has been hearing since the inauguration from almost every media outlet about nearly every decision he has made and why he is a bad guy. Including most former members of Trump's cabinet.
Everyone pro Trump has read and heard all these same media accounts and somehow still supports him. So neither of you are going to ever convince anyone. You can't convince someone who has read a thousand credible articles showing with documented facts one point of view otherwise, nor can you convince someone who ignored those same articles.
So let's talk about what REALLY matters. How do you get BBFS from the hottest girls in Tijuana? I managed to somehow get it from the hottest or second hottest HK girl during the pre-covid months. The one who dresses in cosplay and is a spinner. $100 upcharge and surprisingly I didn't get an sti. Did her several times.[/QUOTE]If a girl only does BBFS for extra money, you are taking advantage of them. It's not cool in alot of ways. The biggest being those are the exact situations many organizations have been using to make prostitution illegal in mexico. In terms of how you didn't get a std, well condoms do l very little for herpes and it's easier for a woman to get hiv from a guy than a guy to get it from the woman. Plus the woman are supposed to be getting checked occasionally. The chances of HIV if she has it would be 1 in over 2000 if no condom. I've had girls beg for no condom from me at these clubs but they were usually drunk. What they should do is make all the guys get a health card too.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2470899]If a girl only does BBFS for extra money, you are taking advantage of them.[/QUOTE]Your logic has as much credibility as your wild "stories". Taking advantage of her? These are two consenting adults. She can say no. He can say no. That simple.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2470899]If a girl only does BBFS for extra money, you are taking advantage of them.[/QUOTE]I never like it when they ask for 50 pesos mas.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2470899]If a girl only does BBFS for extra money, you are taking advantage of them. [/QUOTE]So if you have sex with someone for money with a condom it's empowering but without one they're being taken advantage of? You've listed getting a civie drunk as an acceptable means to procure BBFS do you have any other sage advice? How about a latex allergy? What if she believes that condoms caused the pandemic?
Two consenting adults should be able to make their own decisions about what to do with their bodies. When you stated that you wouldn't be visiting Tijuana for the next one to two years I was kinda hoping that also meant that you would stop posting nonsense. No such luck I guess.
[QUOTE=MikeyMae;2475261]So if you have sex with someone for money with a condom it's empowering but without one they're being taken advantage of? You've listed getting a civie drunk as an acceptable means to procure BBFS do you have any other sage advice? How about a latex allergy? What if she believes that condoms caused the pandemic?
Two consenting adults should be able to make their own decisions about what to do with their bodies. When you stated that you wouldn't be visiting Tijuana for the next one to two years I was kinda hoping that also meant that you would stop posting nonsense. No such luck I guess.[/QUOTE]The difference is BBFS could kill her if you have HIV and there's a lot dudes who would happily spread HIV. You can get a girl whose never done drugs before to do heroin in the room if you pay her enough money. Ask yourself this. If your mom died when you were 5, because some dude paid her extra for sex without a condom, do you think as an adult you'd look back as that monger as a piece of shit? I think you would. There's a reason hk and all the clubs require condoms to be readily available. It's legally required. Hk and sex are heavily regulated and condoms are what allow it to even exist. Mexico shut the whole country down for some covid deaths. I've been telling people for years at some point they will shut the sex industry down because politics is always involved. The money from s2 x industry is peanuts compared to mexico GDP. . I'm sure ill hurt the feelings of BBFS guys who think they are cool dudes for being wealthy enough to pay extra for these woman to risk their life. But the majority will agree with me. They won't take time to write it here, only the dudes who love controlling woman with money get all worked up over anyone telling them its wrong.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2475309]The difference is BBFS could kill her if you have HIV and there's a lot dudes who would happily spread HIV. You can get a girl whose never done drugs before to do heroin in the room if you pay her enough money. Ask yourself this. If your mom died when you were 5, because some dude paid her extra for sex without a condom, do you think as an adult you'd look back as that monger as a piece of shit? I think you would. There's a reason hk and all the clubs require condoms to be readily available. It's legally required. Hk and sex are heavily regulated and condoms are what allow it to even exist. Mexico shut the whole country down for some covid deaths. I've been telling people for years at some point they will shut the sex industry down because politics is always involved. The money from s2 x industry is peanuts compared to mexico GDP. . I'm sure ill hurt the feelings of BBFS guys who think they are cool dudes for being wealthy enough to pay extra for these woman to risk their life. But the majority will agree with me. They won't take time to write it here, only the dudes who love controlling woman with money get all worked up over anyone telling them its wrong.[/QUOTE]If a puta dies by contracting HIV because she offered BBFS, that is 100% on her. She is the only one to blame. She knew the risks, and she chose to gamble and lost. If you had $100 and went to the casino and bet it on a hand of blackjack and lost, that is 100% on you. You knew the risks, and you chose to gamble and lost. Same thing. Blaming the monger is like blaming the casino.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2475309]The difference is BBFS could kill her if you have HIV and there's a lot dudes who would happily spread HIV. You can get a girl whose never done drugs before to do heroin in the room if you pay her enough money. [/QUOTE]I believe you are wrong. With full disclosure, there will be more than one girl that will not agree to be shot up with heroin despite lucrative offers. It is unacceptable to many girls at any price.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2475309]Ask yourself this. If your mom died when you were 5, because some dude paid her extra for sex without a condom, do you think as an adult you'd look back as that monger as a piece of shit? I think you would.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily.
What if my prostitute mother said the only reason she got pregnant with me is because her one special, kind of ugly client paid her extra pesos to allow sex without use of a condom?
Like Johnny Appleseed.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2475309]The difference is BBFS could kill her if you have HIV and there's a lot dudes who would happily spread HIV. You can get a girl whose never done drugs before to do heroin in the room if you pay her enough money. Ask yourself this. If your mom died when you were 5, because some dude paid her extra for sex without a condom, do you think as an adult you'd look back as that monger as a piece of shit? I think you would. There's a reason hk and all the clubs require condoms to be readily available. It's legally required. Hk and sex are heavily regulated and condoms are what allow it to even exist. Mexico shut the whole country down for some covid deaths. I've been telling people for years at some point they will shut the sex industry down because politics is always involved. The money from s2 x industry is peanuts compared to mexico GDP. . I'm sure ill hurt the feelings of BBFS guys who think they are cool dudes for being wealthy enough to pay extra for these woman to risk their life. But the majority will agree with me. They won't take time to write it here, only the dudes who love controlling woman with money get all worked up over anyone telling them its wrong.[/QUOTE]I think you're pissing in the wind with this argument. I personally don't do BBFS with hookers. You couldn't pay me to bang any of these chicks unprotected.
But at the same time these women aren't stupid, they know all about std's and the risks involved. There are plenty of chicas who make plenty of money without doing BBFS, so the ones who do agree to BBFS that's their body their choice. Nobody's putting a gun to their head.
At the end of the day all you can do is protect your own self. BTW I always keep some non-latex "skyn" brand condoms and offer them to chicas who don't like the latex.
Don't grope girls then touch your face; don't hang out without masks in HK more than 15 min.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/media/doctor-david-price-coronavirus[/URL]
Dr. David Price on how to prevent COVID-19 from spreading: Clean hand and do 'not touch your face, period'.
Jesse Watters featured Dr. David Price of Weill Cornell Medical Center on "Watters' World" Saturday, where the New York City doctor gave advice on how people can prevent spreading the coronavirus.
"You may hear a little inflection in my voice like I'm emotional. It's not because I'm scared. It's actually the opposite. For the first time in a while, I'm actually not scared," Price said via video. "I work at probably the premier hospital in New York City. Our hospital is almost exclusively a COVID-19 hospital, but we're learning and we know a lot. And what I want you guys to know is that every single day we're getting better, we know more. And I am confident that the stuff I can tell you today should make you guys feel like when this comes to your community that you don't have to be scared and that you can protect your family. ".
Price went on say the virus is primarily transmitted by touching someone who has the virus and then touching your face.
"The ways that you get this is the transmission of the virus almost exclusively from your hands to your face, from your hands to your face and inside your eyes, into your nose or into your mouth," Price explained. "So there's a lot of talk about contact or getting it through contacts, hands to face. ".
The doctor also addressed the idea that the virus is transmitted by "long sustained contact" or through the air.
"There's also a small thought that it can be aerosolized, that it can kind of exist a little bit in the air," Price said. "The thought at this point is that you actually have to have very long sustained contact with someone. And I'm talking about over 15 to 30 minutes in an unprotected environment, meaning you're in a very closed room without any type of mask for you to get it that way. ".
"But very simply stated, the overwhelming majority of people are getting this by physically touching someone who has this disease or will develop it in the next one to two days and then touching their face," he pointed out.
"The thing that makes me smile a little bit is I actually know now that I won't get this disease because I know how to protect myself," Price said in the video.
Price offered two practical tips to keep you, your family and your friends from getting the coronavirus.
"Become a hand Nazi. Everything you know about your hands, just keep it clean and you will not get this disease," Price said. "The second thing is you have to start psychologically working on the connection between your hands and your face. ".
"Those two things combined is incredibly powerful and will prevent the transmission of disease in your family in 99 percent of cases, to know your hands are clean and not touch your face, period," Price added.
She looks good and happy. I volunteer to take virus from her mouth.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/chinese-virologist-says-she-has-proof-covid-19-was-made-in-wuhan-lab/[/URL]
Chinese virologist claims she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab.
By Natalie MusumeciSeptember 11,2020.
5:30 pm.
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, A Chinese virologist who has reportedly been in hiding for fear of her safety has stepped out into the public eye again to make the explosive claim that she has the scientific evidence to prove COVID-19 was man-made in a lab in China.
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a scientist who says she did some of the earliest research into COVID-19 last year, made the comments Friday during an interview on British talk show "Loose Women. ".
When asked where the deadly virus that has killed more than 900,000 around the globe comes from, Yan — speaking via video chat from a secret location — replied, "It comes from the lab — the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China's government. ".
She insisted that widespread reports that the virus originated last year from a wet market in Wuhan, China, are "a smokescreen. ".
"The first thing is the market in Wuhan. Is a smokescreen and this virus is not from nature," Yan claimed, explaining that she got "her intelligence from the CDC in China, from the local doctors. ".
The virologist has previously accused Beijing of lying about when it learned of the killer bug and engaging in an extensive cover-up of her work.
She had said that her former supervisors at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, a reference laboratory for the World Health Organization, silenced her when she sounded the alarm about human-to-human transmission in December last year.
In April, Yan reportedly fled Hong Kong and escaped to America to raise awareness about the pandemic.
Now, she said she is planning to release scientific evidence to prove that the virus was made inside a lab in Wuhan.
"The genome sequence is like a human finger print," she told the talk show. "So based on this you can identify these things. I use the evidence. To tell people why this has come from the lab in China, why they are the only ones who made it. ".
Yan added, "Anyone, even if you have no biology knowledge, you can read it, and you can check and identify and verify by yourself. ".
We may now know the origins of coronavirus, according to scientists.
"This is the critical thing for us to know the origin of the virus," she said. "If not we cannot overcome it — it will be life-threatening for everyone."
She said she is coming out now because "I know if I don't tell the truth to the world, I will be regretful."
Yan also claimed that before fleeing China, her information was wiped from government databases.
"They deleted all my information," she told "Loose Women," claiming that people have been recruited "to spread rumors about me, that I'm a liar."
Yuan Zhiming, the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, has previously denied reports that the bug accidentally spread from his facility.
"There's no way this virus came from us," Zhiming told state media in April.
I've been saying that all along although met with resistance in some threads. Is certainly an interesting possibility.
Stay horny my friends but safe enough to remember to wash your hands from groping, hugging and kissing cooties before touching you mouths. Serious.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2483532]I've been saying that all along although met with resistance in some threads. Is certainly an interesting possibility.
Stay horny my friends but safe enough to remember to wash your hands from groping, hugging and kissing cooties before touching you mouths. Serious.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone be surprised about this? They manufacture 90% of pre cursor materials for Fentanyl and other dangerous synthetic drugs used for exportation to our shores. The Govt even subsidizes these operations. It is nothing short of chemical warfare. China is a rogue nation. A manipulative *****. An anus gap filled with maggots.
Kudos to America for helping China reach this outcome.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2483532]I've been saying that all along although met with resistance in some threads. Is certainly an interesting possibility.
Stay horny my friends but safe enough to remember to wash your hands from groping, hugging and kissing cooties before touching you mouths. Serious.[/QUOTE]I knew from day 1 it came from that lab. I know how governments and people work, and am familiar with the crazy Chinese government. They would never in a million years admit it came from that lab. Not unless someone provides indisputable evidence. In any case, to me, it would be like if a nuke went off in the same town nukes were being manufactured, then the government saying "we don't know what happened maybe a asteroid crashed". Remember, in that lab, many governments paid money for the lab to both invent a coronavirus that could spread from person to person, and then invent a vaccine. The objective was to have the vaccine ready in case it ever happens, and to practice making the vaccine. Then the disease makes its way into a lab workers body and the whole world is changed for years. I know of a few people who died already from it. In my opinion, its bad karma for the human species from all the animal lab torture mostly useless experimentation.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2483532]I've been saying that all along although met with resistance in some threads. Is certainly an interesting possibility.
Stay horny my friends but safe enough to remember to wash your hands from groping, hugging and kissing cooties before touching you mouths. Serious.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Artisttyp;2483630]Why would anyone be surprised about this? They manufacture 90% of pre cursor materials for Fentanyl and other dangerous synthetic drugs used for exportation to our shores. The Govt even subsidizes these operations. It is nothing short of chemical warfare. China is a rogue nation. A manipulative *****. An anus gap filled with maggots.
Kudos to America for helping China reach this outcome.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dogers69;2483639]I knew from day 1 it came from that lab.[/QUOTE]Do you guys not realize that the New York Post is a tabloid? Spun-off by a company that was founded by Rupert Murdoch and controlled by Fox? You guys are actually taking its articles seriously? You guys also believe that Zona Norte putas are secretly undercover alien beings set to conquer the Earth? Because that's the type of journalism spread by tabloids.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2483699]Do you guys not realize that the New York Post is a tabloid? Spun-off by a company that was founded by Rupert Murdoch and controlled by Fox? You guys are actually taking its articles seriously? You guys also believe that Zona Norte putas are secretly undercover alien beings set to conquer the Earth? Because that's the type of journalism spread by tabloids.[/QUOTE]I have found the Post's reporting to be far more accurate then CNN or most of the mainstream media. I and take little at face value. I want to see the facts behind what is reported where I can check them.
Dickus,
The New York Post may run racy stories at times, but overall they also run good, solid, relevant stories that are confirmed by government authorities or the right people.
People should not put down the entire news organization just because of a few salacious sex stories. It behooves us to get as much reliable news from as many sources as we can.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2484096]Dickus,
The New York Post may run racy stories at times, but overall they also run good, solid, relevant stories that are confirmed by government authorities or the right people.
People should not put down the entire news organization just because of a few salacious sex stories. It behooves us to get as much reliable news from as many sources as we can.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I think that's kind of what I said. Although I didn't even think about the salacious sex stories. I'm to busy with real sex to bother with that.
Just when you think you seen it all. Your condom may actually be used, maybe even from a monger! [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-condom-recycling-police-raid-factory-used-resale/[/URL].
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2448366]Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.
Why would you want to come out from shelter when infection rates haven't sufficiently declined? Or not declined at all?
In many states the rate has not declined, only its rate of increase has declined.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.[/QUOTE]It was easy to see (when I wrote this on May 3rd) that we were moving out of "Stay art home" orders prematurely and emerged before the needed and necessary infection rate declines.
Daily infection rates in the United States climbed to over 30,000 in April at the first peak, but were only down to around 20,000 new daily infections by May 10th through the first half of June.
But with the premature easing (pretty much only in the United States in May) we quickly climbed to over 60,000 daily cases right after the 4th of July (some days over 70,000) as the USA -only second wave ran throughout the country in July and August. Other countries didn't bum-rush out of homes and completely avoided this July + August second wave.
But now the expected huge Fall second wave (third wave for the recalcitrant United States) we seem to be heading into deep serious trouble for this country.
While President Trump keeps holding super-spreader events while falsely stating that his Covid-19 efforts have turned the corner on that virus.
Investigators have identified bank accounts in China held by Donald Trump.
The accounts may have been used to pay taxes in China.
I'm expecting he paid far more to China in taxes than he paid to the United States.
I am guessing that March-April is when most of us will get our vaccines. Interpol just warned that organized crime may try to hijack vaccine shipments. I also know that vaccines will be delivered in armored cars. Mexico will likely get the less expensive Oxford vaccine. Between the vaccines we will get that will provide 95% protection and the chicas getting the 70%+ protection, things will likely get back to normal before Summer of 2021.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2508909]I am guessing that March-April is when most of us will get our vaccines. Interpol just warned that organized crime may try to hijack vaccine shipments. I also know that vaccines will be delivered in armored cars. Mexico will likely get the less expensive Oxford vaccine. Between the vaccines we will get that will provide 95% protection and the chicas getting the 70%+ protection, things will likely get back to normal before Summer of 2021.[/QUOTE]Don't count on it. Now that these pendejos have a taste of absolute power, and how easily it was obtained, they are not going to just give it up and go away. Expect more of this shit over the slightest pretext.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2508909]I am guessing that March-April is when most of us will get our vaccines. Interpol just warned that organized crime may try to hijack vaccine shipments. I also know that vaccines will be delivered in armored cars. Mexico will likely get the less expensive Oxford vaccine. Between the vaccines we will get that will provide 95% protection and the chicas getting the 70%+ protection, things will likely get back to normal before Summer of 2021.[/QUOTE]I think we will be able to sniff normal on the horizon IN summer, but it will be some time before we reach a minimal level of GENERAL public vaccination that arrests community spread. I think by late Spring a lot of "be careful" pressure will start to quickly bleed off, but not go away.
CA just got ~350,000 doses, and in 3 weeks they will get more.
The health care worker populations with is -a- single group within the first three tiers of vaccination priorities, is 2.4MM.
And they will need another round ~2mo later.
The numbers do not point to THIS summer being "normal".
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2508970]I think we will be able to sniff normal on the horizon IN summer, but it will be some time before we reach a minimal level of GENERAL public vaccination that arrests community spread. I think by late Spring a lot of "be careful" pressure will start to quickly bleed off, but not go away.
CA just got ~350,000 doses, and in 3 weeks they will get more.
The health care worker populations with is -a- single group within the first three tiers of vaccination priorities, is 2.4MM.
And they will need another round ~2mo later.
The numbers do not point to THIS summer being "normal".[/QUOTE]To me the chicas are essential workers. They are on the front lines and working hard to keep the Tijuana economy going. I hope that the Tijuana government gives them early vaccination.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2508970]I think we will be able to sniff normal on the horizon IN summer, but it will be some time before we reach a minimal level of GENERAL public vaccination that arrests community spread. I think by late Spring a lot of "be careful" pressure will start to quickly bleed off, but not go away.
CA just got ~350,000 doses, and in 3 weeks they will get more.
The health care worker populations with is -a- single group within the first three tiers of vaccination priorities, is 2.4MM.
And they will need another round ~2mo later.
The numbers do not point to THIS summer being "normal".[/QUOTE]You are right, the vaccine is not being rolled out fast enough. The manufacturers are hitting their desired numbers, but our federal government is being lame on distribution.
A week ago the federal government said that most states last were only getting around 60% of what had been expected, with no explanation.
California got less vaccine than is needed for just 1% of its roughly 40 million population, and for those 350 K that got vaccinated there will be three more weeks before the next 1% of Californians will be ready to get their shots. Then what? 6 weeks more for the first 2% to get their second, booster shot, not vaccine for the next 3 to 4% of Californians until February? If it takes six weeks to vaccinate less than 2%, it will take three or more years to pass around the vaccine to all.
The manufactures and competent governments can handle billions of doses, but the US doesn't seem capable of helping all of its own population in a timely fashion. That will likely change next month when we get better leaders.
"Confirming earlier FDA Adverse Event Reports, a nurse in Nashville has developed Bells Palsy (facial paralysis) and cannot move one side of her face after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine. We cannot rush experiential vaccines. If you get injured, you have virtually no legal recourse. This was a known side effect. Twitter already removed the video."
Watch video for yourself before it disappears into the "memory hole" and hear the nurse tell what happened. . . [URL]https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/heartbreaking-video-nurse-gets-bells-palsy-from-covid-vaccine-facial-paralysis/[/URL].
[QUOTE=Travv;2516887]"Confirming earlier FDA Adverse Event Reports, a nurse in Nashville has developed Bells Palsy (facial paralysis) and cannot move one side of her face after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine. We cannot rush experiential vaccines. If you get injured, you have virtually no legal recourse. This was a known side effect. Twitter already removed the video."
Watch video for yourself before it disappears into the "memory hole" and hear the nurse tell what happened. . . [URL]https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/heartbreaking-video-nurse-gets-bells-palsy-from-covid-vaccine-facial-paralysis/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yeah, let's trust "CitizensFreePress.com".
A Nashville nurse did not develop Bell's Palsy as a result of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. The Tennessee Department of Health had no record of Khalilah Mitchell as a registered nurse.
[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/30/youtube-videos/nashville-nurse-did-not-develop-bells-palsy-after-/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/12/30/kalilah-mitchell-covid-vaccine/[/URL]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9915802202[/URL]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2020/12/16/can-getting-the-coronavirus-vaccine-lead-to-bells-palsy/?sh=4866cd126c83[/URL]
And even if she did develop Bell's Palsy, about 1 in 10,000 people have it occur normally each year. If we have vaccinated a million people, that means that roughly 100 of them might develop the illness through no fault of the vaccine.
[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2516958]Yeah, let's trust "CitizensFreePress.com".
A Nashville nurse did not develop Bell's Palsy as a result of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. The Tennessee Department of Health had no record of Khalilah Mitchell as a registered nurse.
[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/30/youtube-videos/nashville-nurse-did-not-develop-bells-palsy-after-/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/12/30/kalilah-mitchell-covid-vaccine/[/URL]
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9915802202[/URL]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2020/12/16/can-getting-the-coronavirus-vaccine-lead-to-bells-palsy/?sh=4866cd126c83[/URL]
And even if she did develop Bell's Palsy, about 1 in 10,000 people have it occur normally each year. If we have vaccinated a million people, that means that roughly 100 of them might develop the illness through no fault of the vaccine.[/QUOTE]Thanks KC!
Let's do this going forward. If one has some news to post, please include at least three links (of different sources). Somehow, and I'm guilty of this myself as well, we all gravitate toward one source and this is the surest way to get bad information.
We're here to inform each other, whether it is on venues, chicas or cities, food, etc. Most is of our opinions, but when something is verifiable, it is doing a diservice just cutting and pasting. You'll find yourself better for it, by just taking a few more minutes to examine other confirmation sources.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516842]You are right, the vaccine is not being rolled out fast enough. The manufacturers are hitting their desired numbers, but our federal government is being lame on distribution.
A week ago the federal government said that most states last were only getting around 60% of what had been expected, with no explanation.
[/QUOTE]Do you have any commentary for otherwise healthy politicians cutting the vaccine line?
" Hey look at me the vaccine is safe, I bamboozled my voters by cutting the line. ".
"USA Food and Drug Administration staff recommends monitoring people who get Pfizer or Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine shots for possible cases of Bell's palsy, saying it's not necessarily a side effect but worth watching out for after a handful of trial participants got the condition, which causes half of your face to droop. . . Bell's palsy causes a sudden freezing or weakness in a person's facial muscles that's temporary for most people, according to the Mayo Clinic. The exact cause isn't known, but it's believed to come from either a viral infection or swelling and inflammation of the nerve that controls the muscles on one side of your face, the Mayo Clinic said. . . "Currently available information is insufficient to determine a causal relationship with the vaccine," the FDA staff wrote. " [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staff-recommends-watching-for-bells-palsy-in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html[/URL].
" Four Volunteers Who Took Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine Developed Bell's Palsy. Breaking news – Daily Mail reports that at least four individuals contracted Bell's Palsy after taking Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine. Relations between Pfizer and China also in question. The vaccine business is big money for Big Pharma – the large corporations that benefit from the production of vaccines. This was summarized by Bobby Kennedy, Jr. Months ago as he listed the protections these companies receive from the US government (similar in the manner Big Tech is protected): UNBELIEVABLE: In New Interview Bobby Kennedy Jr. Claims Dr. Fauci will Make Millions on Coronavirus Vaccine and Owns Half the Patent. The list of side effects from the COVID vaccine have previously been reported, but this morning Daily Mail reports that recent cases of Bells palsy developed from the Pfizer trial."
Offhand, if the posters who are upset with the Bells Palsy video want to rush out and be the beta testers who get the injection, I have no problems with that. But people who are at low risk for Covid complications such as those in good health and young should allow the beta testers to go first along with the high risk Covid group. Elderly or with co-morbidities like heart disease, diabetes or lung disease from smoking. Would like the posters to report back with videos if they have side effects from the vaccine such as drooling, facial paralysis, and brain damage unless they are already afflicted with these problems.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2517112]Do you have any commentary for otherwise healthy politicians cutting the vaccine line?
" Hey look at me the vaccine is safe, I bamboozled my voters by cutting the line. ".[/QUOTE]C'Mon., man. You don't want them going to the French Laundry restaurant or Cabo and catching COVID, do you?
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2517112]Do you have any commentary for otherwise healthy politicians cutting the vaccine line?
" Hey look at me the vaccine is safe, I bamboozled my voters by cutting the line..[/QUOTE]With 50% of front line workers in Riverside County opting to pass on receiving the vaccine this past week when offered:
We need to acknowledge there is resistance in some pockets of our population to vaccines that might be beneficial to them.
Distrust of government is common in most groups I'm aware of.
I am comfortable with the safety of these medically approved vaccines, even with the side effects I know of and their expedited approvals.
I am not outraged that Kamala Harris took cuts ahead of my diabetic ass. I'm hooked up with my local senior center so I won't get missed, got the free flu shot in October.
Once I'm immunized, it will be back to my favorite Tijuana walkers, at least the ones who survived. Many died before 2020 and Covid- most live a hard life when not being fucked by me.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517136]With 50% of front line workers in Riverside County opting to pass on receiving the vaccine this past week when offered:
We need to acknowledge there is resistance in some pockets of our population to vaccines that might be beneficial to them.
Distrust of government is common in most groups I'm aware of.
[/QUOTE]I missed the story about the frontline workers in Riverside County. That actually surprises me. I haven't talked to many in the medical community who fear this vaccine. Must be a wayward group of some sort.
There is no way out of this without the vaccine. Of course I will take my 2 shots and like you once I do I will be trolling the Zona again.
As far as the anti vaxxers go. My only hope is that they succumb to their own ideologies and to put it nicely fade away into the sunset so that people paying attention can continue to thrive.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-rulebreakers-blood-hands-blame-185045597.html
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2517192]I missed the story about the frontline workers in Riverside County. That actually surprises me. I haven't talked to many in the medical community who fear this vaccine. Must be a wayward group of some sort.
There is no way out of this without the vaccine. Of course I will take my 2 shots and like you once I do I will be trolling the Zona again.
As far as the anti vaxxers go. My only hope is that they succumb to their own ideologies and to put it nicely fade away into the sunset so that people paying attention can continue to thrive.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-rulebreakers-blood-hands-blame-185045597.html[/QUOTE]This is a fascinating topic to me. Me: never been an anti-vaxxer. When it's my turn, I'll gladly get my shots. I do understand some hesitancy with a vaccine that was created and approved so quickly. And I would not necessarily classify that as the typical anti-vax crowd.
As Artisttyp pointed out, and as I have said for many months, there is no solution other than a vaccine. Many of the people that want a forever shutdown cannot acknowledge that. Masks, shutdowns and the like are just modestly-effective band aids. (Frankly, with our infection rates, I'm being generous calling them modestly effective.) But I am curious if these anti-Covid vaxxers will be labeled as selfish as others have been over 2020.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2517297]This is a fascinating topic to me. Me: never been an anti-vaxxer. When it's my turn, I'll gladly get my shots. I do understand some hesitancy with a vaccine that was created and approved so quickly. And I would not necessarily classify that as the typical anti-vax crowd.
As Artisttyp pointed out, and as I have said for many months, there is no solution other than a vaccine. Many of the people that want a forever shutdown cannot acknowledge that.[/QUOTE]I don't know anyone encouraging social distancing suggesting any "forever shutdowns" (except for North Korean face licking tournaments). Why fabricate that other than to disingenuously try to make false debate points?
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2517297]Masks, shutdowns and the like are just modestly-effective band aids. [/QUOTE]Denying that barriers slow transmission, is simply being ignorant of science.
Let the stupid get sick and die are my "feelings" about the subject as I chuckle about the fate of Herman Cain and other stupidos.
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[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516842]You are right, the vaccine is not being rolled out fast enough. The manufacturers are hitting their desired numbers, but our federal government is being lame on distribution[/QUOTE]The feds are delivering them. It's the states' job to get them in arms and many of them are having trouble.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/health/vaccine-distribution-delays.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2517544]The feds are delivering them. It's the states' job to get them in arms and many of them are having trouble.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/health/vaccine-distribution-delays.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The federal government was giving states shit for resources in the first Covid relief done in Spring 2020.
Then the republicans kept refusing to adequately fund the states for all of the negotiations leading up to this most recent second Covid relief package.
Then Trump and the GOP played around with the $600 vs. $2,000 stall game for more than a week.
When Trump finally got off of his lazy ignorant ass and signed the second relief package on Sunday, December 27th, suddenly $8 billion of federal funds will now go to states for vaccination distribution. Before that it was only the federal CDC that had some million in funds to help states with distribution.
Trump and the GOP stall was especially hard on the unemployed, needing benefits:
Because Trump waited until Sunday to sign the legislation, many out-of-work Americans may only get 10 weeks of augmented payments, instead of 11 weeks. They get to enjoy their week without benefits here for the Holidays!
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2517544]The feds are delivering them. It's the states' job to get them in arms and many of them are having trouble.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/health/vaccine-distribution-delays.html[/URL][/QUOTE]A nice tracker.
The feds aren't the problem, at least first hand, no state it _near_ distribution capacity. You could say the states don't have the $, but. The states do have the networks, so I don't buy it.
Then you have fucked up states like FL that literally call out first come first served, and you end up with this mind blowing shit:
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/us/florida-coronavirus-vaccine-line/index.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2517733]A nice tracker.
The feds aren't the problem, at least first hand, no state it _near_ distribution capacity. You could say the states don't have the $, but. The states do have the networks, so I don't buy it.
Then you have fucked up states like FL that literally call out first come first served, and you end up with this mind blowing shit:
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/us/florida-coronavirus-vaccine-line/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]That shit looks ghetto as fuck. Old white people standing in depression era vaccine lines. Nice.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2517136]With 50% of front line workers in Riverside County opting to pass on receiving the vaccine this past week when offered:
We need to acknowledge there is resistance in some pockets of our population to vaccines that might be beneficial to them.
Distrust of government is common in most groups I'm aware of.
I am comfortable with the safety of these medically approved vaccines, even with the side effects I know of and their expedited approvals.
I am not outraged that Kamala Harris took cuts ahead of my diabetic ass. I'm hooked up with my local senior center so I won't get missed, got the free flu shot in October.
Once I'm immunized, it will be back to my favorite Tijuana walkers, at least the ones who survived. Many died before 2020 and Covid- most live a hard life when not being fucked by me.[/QUOTE]I know one of the head guys at Loma Linda, I spoke with him yesterday he is not taking it, the reason is no one has ever successfully made a coronavirus vaccine and he will not inject the DNA of aborted babies in his body, the other side of my body my choice I guess, half of his staff will not take it either they would rather actually get it and go through it and have the antibodies. I will not take it, I have been on all the appropriate vitamins and picked up some Ivermectin in Tijuana, I have only missed a couple weeks in Tijuana since the middle of March doing everything I always do and have not gotten sick, I am going to live my life and not listen to the narrative, I disagree that the vaccine is the only answer.
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2516842]You are right, the vaccine is not being rolled out fast enough. The manufacturers are hitting their desired numbers, but our federal government is being lame on distribution.
A week ago the federal government said that most states last were only getting around 60% of what had been expected, with no explanation.
California got less vaccine than is needed for just 1% of its roughly 40 million population, and for those 350 K that got vaccinated there will be three more weeks before the next 1% of Californians will be ready to get their shots. Then what? 6 weeks more for the first 2% to get their second, booster shot, not vaccine for the next 3 to 4% of Californians until February? If it takes six weeks to vaccinate less than 2%, it will take three or more years to pass around the vaccine to all.
The manufactures and competent governments can handle billions of doses, but the US doesn't seem capable of helping all of its own population in a timely fashion. That will likely change next month when we get better leaders.[/QUOTE]Like the way Biden distributed the H1 N1 vaccine, only 27% reached the American public, it was a catastrophe.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2517749]Like the way Biden distributed the H1 N1 vaccine, only 27% reached the American public, it was a catastrophe.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you get this statistic from.
But this is the second time that you have specifically mentioned that only 27% of that prior vaccine went to the American public (as if it was a bad thing).
Educate me as to why this 27% is a significant number? It seems like you are just trying to blow smoke up everybody's ass with it.
With the current COVID outbreak affecting more than 100 different countries, won't most of the new COVID vaccine correctly and properly go to non-Americans?
With United States Citizens composing only around 5% of the world's population both now and the last few decades.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2517749]Like the way Biden distributed the H1 N1 vaccine, only 27% reached the American public, it was a catastrophe.[/QUOTE]Biden? Who isn't president for another three weeks?
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517744]I know one of the head guys at Loma Linda, I spoke with him yesterday he is not taking it, the reason is no one has ever successfully made a coronavirus vaccine and he will not inject the DNA of aborted babies in his body, the other side of my body my choice I guess,[/QUOTE]Natural selection.
I'm good with it.
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[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517744]I know one of the head guys at Loma Linda, I spoke with him yesterday he is not taking it, the reason is no one has ever successfully made a coronavirus vaccine and he will not inject the DNA of aborted babies in his body, the other side of my body my choice I guess, half of his staff will not take it either they would rather actually get it and go through it and have the antibodies. I will not take it, I have been on all the appropriate vitamins and picked up some Ivermectin in Tijuana, I have only missed a couple weeks in Tijuana since the middle of March doing everything I always do and have not gotten sick, I am going to live my life and not listen to the narrative, I disagree that the vaccine is the only answer.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should spend your money on pussie instead of self-medication. 5 seconds of Google dude.
Is Ivermectin recommended to treat the coronavirus?
No. While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. You should not take any medicine to treat or prevent COVID-19 unless it has been prescribed to you by your health care provider and acquired from a legitimate source. Dec 23,2020.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions[/URL]#text=No. %20 While%20 there%20 are, from%20 a%20 legitimate%20 source.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2517814]Amazingly, this was even stupider than anything Dogers69 has ever said. No doctor at Loma Linda spouted that nonsense. There is no "aborted baby DNA" in the vaccine. Perhaps you should get educated about how this vaccine actually works.[/QUOTE]The only stupid thing here is you assuming it was a doctor not a head nurse and that there is no aborted baby DNA do a little research idiot. Apparently I am the only one of us that is educated.
You want to talk to me about being stupid, My cousin is one of the top scientists in the world, obviously I am not going to say his name in a monger post but he is the head of 50 scientists at Argonne he is in nuclear science with top security clearance and works with scientists in every field and yes currently working on coronavirus science, where did you get your info CNN.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517825]You want to talk to me about being stupid, My cousin is one of the top scientists in the world, obviously I am not going to say his name in a monger post but he is the head of 50 scientists at Argonne he is in nuclear science with top security clearance and works with scientists in every field and yes currently working on coronavirus science, where did you get your info CNN.[/QUOTE]There is a disconnect between nuclear science and immunology. It's like asking for Fauci's professional opinion on how to build a safe nuclear reactor.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517825]You want to talk to me about being stupid, My cousin is one of the top scientists in the world, obviously I am not going to say his name in a monger post [/QUOTE]Ya. Really?
It was patently stupid to even suggest such an association on an open forum, where you're not as anonymous as you _think_ you are, and if this relationship actually existed, you would deep down in your gut know better than to link THIS forum as one-degree separated from HIM.
You named where he works, what he does, and he's in charge. Dude...absolute insanity. You did everything but lay out the phonetic pronunciation of his last name.
But there it is.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2518106]Ya. Really?
It was patently stupid to even suggest such an association on an open forum, where you're not as anonymous as you _think_ you are, and if this relationship actually existed, you would deep down in your gut know better than to link THIS forum as one-degree separated from HIM.
You named where he works, what he does, and he's in charge. Dude...absolute insanity. You did everything but lay out the phonetic pronunciation of his last name.
But there it is.[/QUOTE]Since there are 17000 scientists at that facility, I doubt someone would go through the trouble of making a meaningless connection, but yes my first post, just trying to help wherever I can. People will believe whatever they want.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2518052]There is a disconnect between nuclear science and immunology. It's like asking for Fauci's professional opinion on how to build a safe nuclear reactor.[/QUOTE]17000 scientists from every field at this facility, I don't see the disconnect of information coming directly from the source, but you can support Fauci and his 50% of the patent on the vaccine, probably no conflict of interest.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2517818]Maybe you should spend your money on pussie instead of self-medication. 5 seconds of Google dude.
Is Ivermectin recommended to treat the coronavirus?
No. While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. You should not take any medicine to treat or prevent COVID-19 unless it has been prescribed to you by your health care provider and acquired from a legitimate source. Dec 23,2020.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions[/URL]#text=No. %20 While%20 there%20 are, from%20 a%20 legitimate%20 source.[/QUOTE]Watch the doctors at the senate hearing a couple weeks ago, you should still be able to find it on YouTube, if you are willing to trust any government agency to do what's best for you and not their wallet you haven't been paying attention.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517822]The only stupid thing here is you assuming it was a doctor not a head nurse and that there is no aborted baby DNA do a little research idiot. Apparently I am the only one of us that is educated.[/QUOTE]Both currently approved COVID vaccines are mRNA vaccines. They work by using a short strand of mRNA to cause cells to create the spike protein on the outside of the COVID-19 virus and thereby creating an immune response against the first portion of the virus to come in contact with the cells in the lungs. The mRNA (not DNA) is wrapped in a lipid (that's fat, not DNA) to protect it and help it get into cells in the body. References below.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells[/URL]
But I concur with your decision not to take it. More for me and an increased chance that natural selection will work its magic on you.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517744]...I disagree that the vaccine is the only answer.[/QUOTE]It's not the only answer, just the most effective and safest.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2517825]You want to talk to me about being stupid, My cousin is one of the top scientists in the world, obviously I am not going to say his name in a monger post but he is the head of 50 scientists at Argonne he is in nuclear science with top security clearance and works with scientists in every field and yes currently working on coronavirus science, where did you get your info CNN.[/QUOTE]You can tell all of this is a lie because scientists do not refer themselves as "scientists. " Because "science" is just a broad area of study, "scientists" refer to themselves by their specialization. For example, a cardiologist will present himself as a cardiologist, or maybe in some cases an M. The. He is not going to present himself as a "scientist. " A nuclear physicist will refer to himself as a nuclear physicist, or a physicist, not a just a "scientist. " Same thing for a virologist. Since they refer to themselves by their specializations and their acquaintances, family members, "cousins," will also refer to them by that specialization.
What's funny is that Pokerlover laughably claims his cousin is in "nuclear science. " Well, nuclear science is specifically the study of the behavior of atomic and subatomic particles, such as the proton, electron, neutron, neutrinos, quarks, etc. More literally, nuclear science is the study of the nucleus of the atom, specifically protons and neutrons. This has almost nothing to do with virology and epidemiology, which are more closely associated with pathology and microbiology. Virology, more specifically vaccine development, does not even begin to approach studying the virus at a subatomic level. A nuclear scientist wouldn't know the first thing about developing a coronavirus vaccine. The quoted post is absolutely, positively, 100% total delusional.
Oh, and BTW, Argonne is largely a physics lab, it has nothing to do with vaccine development.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2518190]It's not the only answer, just the most effective and safest.[/QUOTE]Look up senate hearing Ivermectin on YouTube from Dec 8, they gave 800 healthcare workers Ivermectin zero got the virus another 400 didn't take it 253 got the virus, that is 100% effective. The vaccine is new and people are actually dying hours after taking it some are dying a few days later, not to mention bells palsy and other side effects. Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2518237]Look up senate hearing Ivermectin on YouTube from Dec 8, they gave 800 healthcare workers Ivermectin zero got the virus another 400 didn't take it 253 got the virus, that is 100% effective. The vaccine is new and people are actually dying hours after taking it some are dying a few days later, not to mention bells palsy and other side effects. Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Ya. Youtube. Good old Dr. Youtube.
[URL]https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/[/URL]
Did your Top Sekret bro forget to tell you the treatment kills the host?
Maybe Dr. Youtube skipped that part..
[QUOTE=Pokerlover11;2518161]Since there are 17000 scientists at that facility, I doubt someone would go through the trouble of making a meaningless connection, but yes my first post, just trying to help wherever I can. People will believe whatever they want.[/QUOTE]You're simply full of it. Thousands of scientists, but 3 of him.
I hear Einstein was a fantastic immunologist, too.
Anyone..that has a family member with a Top Secret clearance, has had this talk at some with them. YOU cant ID him on here with what you said, but you narrow it down a lot. That's how espionage works.
But if it makes you feel better, your Bro is James Fucking Bond.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2518208]You can tell all of this is a lie because scientists do not refer themselves as "scientists. " Because "science" is just a broad area of study, "scientists" refer to themselves by their specialization. For example, a cardiologist will present himself as a cardiologist, or maybe in some cases an M. The. He is not going to present himself as a "scientist. " A nuclear physicist will refer to himself as a nuclear physicist, or a physicist, not a just a "scientist. " Same thing for a virologist. Since they refer to themselves by their specializations and their acquaintances, family members, "cousins," will also refer to them by that specialization.
What's funny is that Pokerlover laughably claims his cousin is in "nuclear science. " Well, nuclear science is specifically the study of the behavior of atomic and subatomic particles, such as the proton, electron, neutron, neutrinos, quarks, etc. More literally, nuclear science is the study of the nucleus of the atom, specifically protons and neutrons. This has almost nothing to do with virology and epidemiology, which are more closely associated with pathology and microbiology. Virology, more specifically vaccine development, does not even begin to approach studying the virus at a subatomic level. A nuclear scientist wouldn't know the first thing about developing a coronavirus vaccine. The quoted post is absolutely, positively, 100% total delusional.[/QUOTE]Why couldn't Pokerlover11 be a dumb cousin of a scientist?
[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2518337]Why couldn't Pokerlover11 be a dumb cousin of a scientist?[/QUOTE]Last time I played him in chess he was on the chess team at MIT, I must have played my best game ever because he stared at the board for 30 min after.
28 Days Later, you won't regret getting the vaccine!
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2518187]Both currently approved COVID vaccines are mRNA vaccines. They work by using a short strand of mRNA to cause cells to create the spike protein on the outside of the COVID-19 virus and thereby creating an immune response against the first portion of the virus to come in contact with the cells in the lungs. The mRNA (not DNA) is wrapped in a lipid (that's fat, not DNA) to protect it and help it get into cells in the body. References below.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells[/URL]
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells[/URL]
But I concur with your decision not to take it. More for me and an increased chance that natural selection will work its magic on you.[/QUOTE]
" . . . In the earliest days of the pandemic, China locked down the citizens of Wuhan, going so far as to weld some people in their homes in an attempt to control the spread of COVID.
Little did we know at the time that China's aggressive authoritarian policies would become the norm across the world.
Now China has taken the depths of their penetration to a whole new level. Because now the regime has started to use anal swabs, inserted about two inches into the anus, to test for COVID. First China convinces the West to destroy their economies, and trample on the individual liberty of their citizens using aggressive lockdowns.
Now it is time for the big red, white and blue Covid dildo to be jammed into you. George Carlin was a prophet!
. . Trust the experts. Obey. Bend Over. . . "
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-01-29/get-ready-your-covid-anal-swab[/URL]
Better yet, now US "experts" are telling us wearing four masks is the only real protection. And people just gobble it up. So much for the 'wear A mask' crowd. Underachievers.
[QUOTE=Travv;2526700]" . . . In the earliest days of the pandemic, China locked down the citizens of Wuhan, going so far as to weld some people in their homes in an attempt to control the spread of COVID.
Little did we know at the time that China's aggressive authoritarian policies would become the norm across the world.
Now China has taken the depths of their penetration to a whole new level. Because now the regime has started to use anal swabs, inserted about two inches into the anus, to test for COVID. First China convinces the West to destroy their economies, and trample on the individual liberty of their citizens using aggressive lockdowns.
Now it is time for the big red, white and blue Covid dildo to be jammed into you. George Carlin was a prophet!
. . Trust the experts. Obey. Bend Over. . . "
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-01-29/get-ready-your-covid-anal-swab[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2526902]Better yet, now US "experts" are telling us wearing four masks is the only real protection. And people just gobble it up. So much for the 'wear A mask' crowd. Underachievers.[/QUOTE]Great post as always. If masks, lockdowns, curfews and washing your hands real worked, there would be zero cases in Mexico. I wish it did work, but nothing is working, sadly. Time for everyone to go back to work ASAP practice what we have learned. Covid and lockdowns are just terrible, but as bad as it is, it is being handled much worse. Time will tell who is correct, but when nobody has a job in Europe and Mexico in 3-5 years there will be a far greater crisis. Thank God I live in Texas! We are wide open.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2526902]Better yet, now US "experts" are telling us wearing four masks is the only real protection.[/QUOTE]And. Where did you read that?
[QUOTE=Travv;2526700]" . . . In the earliest days of the pandemic, China locked down the citizens of Wuhan, going so far as to weld some people in their homes in an attempt to control the spread of COVID.
Little did we know at the time that China's aggressive authoritarian policies would become the norm across the world.[/QUOTE]Trav:
In what parts across the world (outside of China) are they welding people in their homes?
[QUOTE=Travv;2526700]Now China has taken the depths of their penetration to a whole new level. Because now the regime has started to use anal swabs, inserted about two inches into the anus, to test for COVID. First China convinces the West to destroy their economies, and trample on the individual liberty of their citizens using aggressive lockdowns.
Now it is time for the big red, white and blue Covid dildo to be jammed into you.[/QUOTE]So Trav:
You think China is trying to destroy the Western economies and trample individual liberty simply by developing a new way to test for Covid?
What logic are you using that indicates giving people more alternatives is bad?
For months we have been seeing and hearing about how obnoxious and uncomfortable the nasal swap testing has been.
It seems to me that getting a swab showed 2 inches up your nose might feel a lot worse than getting it shoved two inches up your ass.
I've screwed a lot of chicas in Tijuana. Anal sex is not highly sought after by me, but I've rammed my entire 2.5 inches up a handful of chicas and they seem to take it without any problems.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2526977]And. Where did you read that?[/QUOTE]Fauci said two. Virginia Tech says three. Now Wake Forest says three or four.
And it's on NBC News, hardly a right wing conspirator. Dr Scott Segal.
I'm not interested in debating masks, COVID, etc. I regret posting it. But I do find it comical.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2526977]And. Where did you read that?[/QUOTE]I read about it this week too. A new Fauci recommendation. Double or triple up. I have been doing at least double anytime I go into medical appts or whatever since the beginning. ONE mask "ok" Two Masks ? > BETTER. Can't believe it took so long for it to come out.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2526994]I read about it this week too. A new Fauci recommendation. Double or triple up. I have been doing at least double anytime I go into medical appts or whatever since the beginning. ONE mask "ok" Two Masks ? > BETTER. Can't believe it took so long for it to come out.[/QUOTE]If you feel your risk is that high. Fine.
But nobody said four. You rather took the piss on that.
Everyone has different risk exposure. And it aint bad advice.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2526997]
But nobody said four. You rather took the piss on that.
.[/QUOTE]I wasn't the original poster who posted 4. I read in the news 2 or 3 isn't a bad idea according to Fauci. That's all.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2526997]If you feel your risk is that high. Fine.
But nobody said four. You rather took the piss on that.
Everyone has different risk exposure. And it aint bad advice.[/QUOTE]Not sure what happened to my other post. But yes, Dr Scott Segal, from Wake Forest did, in an NBC news interview.
"If you put three or four masks on, it's going to filter better because it's more layers of cloth," said Dr. Scott Segal.
So, yes, as unbelievable as it sounds, yes, it is discussed. It is lunacy. And I'll add a basic observation. At a time when mask usage was at its absolute peak, what happened to the number of cases? They skyrocketed.
Nothing bores me or causes more controversy on a hooker board than a COVID argument. We all have our opinions. I do not begrudge anyone from wearing masks. Common sense tells me it adds some level of protection. But reality is it is not effective. I really believe that it provides a false hope to those that have a significant and very real fear of the virus. It satisfies the human need to 'do something'. But I draw the line when Fauci and crew start this 2-4 masks are better.
[QUOTE=SpeedToys;2526997]If you feel your risk is that high. Fine.
But nobody said four. You rather took the piss on that.
Everyone has different risk exposure. And it aint bad advice.[/QUOTE]Four isn't bad advice but it still isn't 100% protection. Neither if 5. But why not 6? Which is still not 100%. So 7. Do it for granny.
[QUOTE=Travv;2522623]28 Days Later, you won't regret getting the vaccine![/QUOTE]Will it make me look that handsome too? I didn't realize there was a side benefit.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2526987]Fauci said two. Virginia Tech says three. Now Wake Forest says three or four.
And it's on NBC News, hardly a right wing conspirator. Dr Scott Segal.
I'm not interested in debating masks, COVID, etc. I regret posting it. But I do find it comical.[/QUOTE]I always thought the thing with masks was "I protect you. You protect me. ".
I've never looked at the mask as protection for me. That way if I cough or sneeze, it mostly gets caught in the mask and not blown all over the room so I don't unknowingly spread it if I'm asymptomatic. And likewise for all the mask wearing people around me.
Might as well just go to the next level after 7 masks. The elites want you to put a plastic bag over your head then seal it off with a large rubber band around your neck. This will save the environment from exhaled C02 and stop "Climate Change" and also prevent all possibility of bacterial or viral transfers. Anyone who has tried this without quitting for 30 minutes has made no complaints about the comfort of a plastic bag knotted and secured around your head. . . Just think of Mother Earth. A small act of worship of the Earth Goddess is a small price to pay for wearing a plastic "mask" over your head!
P.S: If you want to try a "baby step" before trying the plastic bag for your head method, full body condoms are available. You can wear one in Zona Norte for extra protection!
[QUOTE=Jckgmn;2527065]Four isn't bad advice but it still isn't 100% protection. Neither if 5. But why not 6? Which is still not 100%. So 7. Do it for granny.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travv;2526700]" . . . In the earliest days of the pandemic, China locked down the citizens of Wuhan, going so far as to weld some people in their homes in an attempt to control the spread of COVID.
Little did we know at the time that China's aggressive authoritarian policies would become the norm across the world.
Now China has taken the depths of their penetration to a whole new level. Because now the regime has started to use anal swabs, inserted about two inches into the anus, to test for COVID. First China convinces the West to destroy their economies, and trample on the individual liberty of their citizens using aggressive lockdowns.
Now it is time for the big red, white and blue Covid dildo to be jammed into you. George Carlin was a prophet!
. . Trust the experts. Obey. Bend Over. . . "
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-01-29/get-ready-your-covid-anal-swab[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey genius, aggressive lockdowns were put in place to prevent people from dying.[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. Tell that to the people who died.
Think Tijuana is in bad shape? Lucky guy still cross the border into Tijuana to play with the girls, or boys for some pervs.
Thailand gets it far worse.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/03/960848011/how-the-pandemic-has-upended-the-lives-of-thailands-sex-workers[/URL]
Covid allmost killed me I was in the hospital for a week on Oxygen and then 7 more week to recover. That virus was awful, never been sicker in my life. Except one time after drinking a bottle of cheap tequila. LOL.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2572447]Covid allmost killed me I was in the hospital for a week on Oxygen and then 7 more week to recover. That virus was awful, never been sicker in my life. Except one time after drinking a bottle of cheap tequila. LOL.[/QUOTE]LMAO. Was it the actual tequila or the bad decisions that ensued? Haha.
In all seriousness, glad you mended well. My experience was the polar opposite. Very mild. Though my sense of smell and taste is still not back as it was. I can smell and taste everything. Somethings just don't smell or taste the same. But thankful that I didn't go through what you had to deal with!
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2572447]Covid allmost killed me I was in the hospital for a week on Oxygen and then 7 more week to recover. That virus was awful, never been sicker in my life. Except one time after drinking a bottle of cheap tequila. LOL.[/QUOTE]About how much were your medical bills?
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2528172]Think Tijuana is in bad shape? Lucky guy still cross the border into Tijuana to play with the girls, or boys for some pervs.
Thailand gets it far worse.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/03/960848011/how-the-pandemic-has-upended-the-lives-of-thailands-sex-workers[/URL][/QUOTE]Sure do miss my times in Thailand. I hope tourists are able to go back soon. They had the wildest parties and most friendly people I've met throughout my world travels.
SeaBeeJoe.
You are damn lucky you are still alive.
You never know when we will be hit by the new CoVid variants.
So you should make the most of the rest of your life and screw as many chicas as you can.
I booked a tour of Asia for April 2020 and had to cancel.
Thais work very hard and most live in poverty, but they really smile with all their hearts and seem content, happy in their marginal lives. I was walking around the Khaosan back packers district and came across a beautiful, healthy, fully-grown and sexy young girls cooking a pad Thai. She was smiling broadly showing me how she was doing it, then she ate a big plate of pad Thai about 3 times I would eat hehe. I wish I could take her for a tour of town and spend a few nights with her. Also found many girls in malls very close to 10's. Will try to pick up civies next times. Of course I also hunt for hot street girls along Sukhumvit and soapy massage girls. I know a couple guys who can take me to houses with fresh hot new girls only locals know.
I found a dozen Thai houses in Singapore's Geylang district, a few Thais looked beautiful like movie stars. Took 2, they both had lots of tats below their waists. Damn. Must be connected to gangs.
I am waiting for Asia to open up. Will tour Hong Kong, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Bali, Lompoc, The Philippines ect, places I have gone through with lots of hot girls and delicious food cheap, also good snorkeling and diving. I am a pig for hot girls, good food, cheap beers and fun party life hehe. Any bros want to go, let me know so we can plan a trip.
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Same here waiting for Asia to open up. Some great memories from the past. Had a nice GF experience over there as well with a massage girl from PhiPhi island. She joined me for a days tour at James Bond island and had a wonderful roll in the hay that night. She was so wonderful just to hold. No spring chicken either. She said she was 35. Will be around Sat if you want to exchange a few stories. In HK you may see me with a black and red Toros baseball cap on.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2572743]I booked a tour of Asia for April 2020 and had to cancel.
Thais work very hard and most live in poverty, but they really smile with all their hearts and seem content, happy in their marginal lives. I was walking around the Khaosan back packers district and came across a beautiful, healthy, fully-grown and sexy young girls cooking a pad Thai. She was smiling broadly showing me how she was doing it, then she ate a big plate of pad Thai about 3 times I would eat hehe. I wish I could take her for a tour of town and spend a few nights with her. Also found many girls in malls very close to 10's. Will try to pick up civies next times. Of course I also hunt for hot street girls along Sukhumvit and soapy massage girls. I know a couple guys who can take me to houses with fresh hot new girls only locals know.
I found a dozen Thai houses in Singapore's Geylang district, a few Thais looked beautiful like movie stars. Took 2, they both had lots of tats below their waists. Damn. Must be connected to gangs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2572751]Same here waiting for Asia to open up. Some great memories from the past. Had a nice GF experience over there as well with a massage girl from PhiPhi island. She joined me for a days tour at James Bond island and had a wonderful roll in the hay that night. She was so wonderful just to hold. No spring chicken either. She said she was 35.[/QUOTE]The level of GFE usually grows proportionally with age, and aging over the hill chicas can no longer get away with offering starfish service. And if she said she was 35 - safe to say her real age is 43-45.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2572586]SeaBeeJoe.
You are damn lucky you are still alive.
You never know when we will be hit by the new CoVid variants.
So you should make the most of the rest of your life and screw as many chicas as you can.[/QUOTE]
Yes Captain, I heard young Pussy cures all illnesses even covid and cancer.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2572502]About how much were your medical bills?[/QUOTE]I was at the VA Hospital in La Jolla so it was covered since I am a disabled veteran.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2572487]LMAO. Was it the actual tequila or the bad decisions that ensued? Haha.
In all seriousness, glad you mended well. My experience was the polar opposite. Very mild. Though my sense of smell and taste is still not back as it was. I can smell and taste everything. Somethings just don't smell or taste the same. But thankful that I didn't go through what you had to deal with![/QUOTE]Me too I don't want to die yet LOL, too many hot latinas need my tender affectiona and money.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2572447]Covid allmost killed me I was in the hospital for a week on Oxygen and then 7 more week to recover. That virus was awful, never been sicker in my life. Except one time after drinking a bottle of cheap tequila. LOL.[/QUOTE]That is very rare, did you have any underlying conditions?
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2573829]Yes Captain, I heard young Pussy cures all illnesses even covid and cancer.[/QUOTE]I'd expand that to new pussy. There's nothing wrong with a 33 year old rocking your world. Young or a little older, it's all good as long as it's new.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2573885]I'd expand that to new pussy. There's nothing wrong with a 33 year old rocking your world. Young or a little older, it's all good as long as it's new.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, one of my favorite chicas in past was this older bg i met in Hk. She was this beatiful 34 yo from Ensenada. First time I met her she admitted to having a bad night and only sold like 4 fichas making no money. I invited her to my hotel and agreed to meet me there once she got off shift. Well she finally shows up, and to my surprise dressed as a nurse LOL. I asked her "hey what's up with the nurse's outfit"? she told me her son is 15 and she tells him she works at a hospital to avoid suspicion. Well she was amazing in bed and really rocked my world, we became a good friends after. Last I heard, she got married and retired from hooking. For now.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2573883]That is very rare, did you have any underlying conditions?[/QUOTE]Just obese, asian, and I used to smoke cigs.
Washington, the. See. —Health officials are sounding the alarm over rapidly-increasing COVID cases this week as the Delta variant of the virus continues to wreak havoc across the nation. The latest numbers show the prevalence of the virus has doubled this week from a total of two cases to four.
"The data keeps coming in, and it doesn't look good, "said Dr. Anthony Fauci. "We're seeing a 100% increase in cases! That's double, two-fold, 2 x, twice as many! I don't want to sound alarmist, but it's very likely we'll all be dead by Labor Day."
Fauci said the increasing numbers seem to be the result of pandemic fatigue causing people to let down their guard and engage in risky behaviors like leaving the house or breathing. He urged Americans to remain vigilant in order to end the pandemic as soon as possible. . . "Getting vaccinated is the key to getting back to normal," Fauci pleaded with the nation. "All we need you to do is go and get yourself vaccinated. Well, that and social distance, quit your job, reduce your carbon footprint, wear three masks, vote Democrat, and sacrifice your firstborn child to Molech in the hopes that he shows mercy upon you. Why is that so hard for everyone?
In related news, officials in Canada say they are dealing with an apocalyptic surge of "literally infinity percent" after COVID cases increased from zero to one this week. "Our nation may never recover from this," said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. . .
July 16th, 2021.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2573885]I'd expand that to new pussy. There's nothing wrong with a 33 year old rocking your world. Young or a little older, it's all good as long as it's new.[/QUOTE]I had a 35 year old tiny Thai girl and Loved fucking her. Also a gal in ChangMai was I think over 30 but nice nice body. When I retire I may head for the Philippians and find a girl in her 30's who has a fine body. They don't mind hooking up with older American's so hoping it could possibly work out. Assuming I could break from my Mongering ways.
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[QUOTE=Travv;2581981]Washington, the. See. Health officials are sounding the alarm over rapidly-increasing COVID cases this week as the Delta variant of the virus continues to wreak havoc across the nation. The latest numbers show the prevalence of the virus has doubled this week from a total of two cases to four.
"The data keeps coming in, and it doesn't look good, "said Dr. Anthony Fauci. "We're seeing a 100% increase in cases! That's double, two-fold, 2 x, twice as many! I don't want to sound alarmist, but it's very likely we'll all be dead by Labor Day."
Fauci said the increasing numbers seem to be the result of pandemic fatigue causing people to let down their guard and engage in risky behaviors like leaving the house or breathing. He urged Americans to remain vigilant in order to end the pandemic as soon as possible. . . "Getting vaccinated is the key to getting back to normal," Fauci pleaded with the nation. "All we need you to do is go and get yourself vaccinated. Well, that and social distance, quit your job, reduce your carbon footprint, wear three masks, vote Democrat, and sacrifice your firstborn child to Molech in the hopes that he shows mercy upon you. Why is that so hard for everyone?
In related news, officials in Canada say they are dealing with an apocalyptic surge of "literally infinity percent" after COVID cases increased from zero to one this week. "Our nation may never recover from this," said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. . .
July 16th, 2021.[/QUOTE]Canada actually has a lower rate of covid cases than the US. That's mostly due to Canada having much higher vaccination rates than the US. Luckily Canadians don't seem to be as easily influenced by ignorant bitchass pieces of sh*t going around spreading fake information.
[URL]https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/coronavirus/most-of-canada-now-reporting-lower-covid-19-infection-rates-than-u-s-states-1.5512918[/URL]
I highly suggest finding another hobby if you're scared of getting sick. Bros from all over the world bring with them STDs, etc. From all over the world to these monger destinations. I suggest staying at home under your covers and wearing your mask outside, possibly triple masking. It cracks me up seeing bros in HK walking around with their masks on. I'm just too freaky for that and my tongue is probably halfway hanging out waiting to pleasure a chica. I think word gets around as they always like to try and sit on my face. Good times!
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2582580]I highly suggest finding another hobby if you're scared of getting sick. Bros from all over the world bring with them STDs, etc. From all over the world to these monger destinations. I suggest staying at home under your covers and wearing your mask outside, possibly triple masking. It cracks me up seeing bros in HK walking around with their masks on. I'm just too freaky for that and my tongue is probably halfway hanging out waiting to pleasure a chica. I think word gets around as they always like to try and sit on my face. Good times![/QUOTE]That is like saying you should skip the condom while having sex with hookers and stick your fucking head in the sand because ignorance is bliss. Except that STD didn't kill almost 4 million people world wide and about 65,000 Americans despite the "best medical care money can buy." Some of us are actually scared of getting the people we know sick, rather than our own safety because we are actually double vaccinated and have gotten the Covid even before vaccination. And some of us like me actually volunteered to test the vaccine.
You are fucking stupid as shit and should avoid all jobs requiring critical thinking skills.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2582593]That is like saying you should skip the condom while having sex with hookers and stick your fucking head in the sand because ignorance is bliss. Except that STD didn't kill almost 4 million people world wide and about 65,000 Americans despite the "best medical care money can buy." Some of us are actually scared of getting the people we know sick, rather than our own safety because we are actually double vaccinated and have gotten the Covid even before vaccination. And some of us like me actually volunteered to test the vaccine.
You are fucking stupid as shit and should avoid all jobs requiring critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE] Looks like I triggered someone. Who says we all use condoms all the time? Also you have to be ignorant to think the ladies dont have random cocks or lips on random bros from around the world that you may be making out with or having sex with. Herpes isnt curable either. Just a risk of the hobby. I don’t need critical thinking as long as people that I manage keep doing their jobs and making me money to travel and spend on fun activities.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2582593]That is like saying you should skip the condom while having sex with hookers and stick your fucking head in the sand because ignorance is bliss. Except that STD didn't kill almost 4 million people world wide and about 65,000 Americans despite the "best medical care money can buy." Some of us are actually scared of getting the people we know sick, rather than our own safety because we are actually double vaccinated and have gotten the Covid even before vaccination. And some of us like me actually volunteered to test the vaccine.
You are fucking stupid as shit and should avoid all jobs requiring critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE]I think KBs point was that this hobby is just as risky as catching COVID and those that are married are taking that risk home with them. Even if you use a condom nothing is 100. So you can live in fear of an STD or getting mugged in Tijuana or you can accept the risk and live your life. Same with COVID you can keep locking down the world but no matter what you do the sad truth is people are going to die which is what natural selection is all about. I also don't think the medical industry did all it could to treat the sick due to politics.
I know you had a bad case and take this more personally but I think the media and government would of been wiser to inform the public on trying to eat better and exercise instead of getting fat at home watching tv and smoking weed.
I love kissing on the hookers when at HK or other places but I hate taking the sexual risks associated. I have washed out my mouth with scope after sex with hooker in the hotel room thinking maybe it could help. Anyone have any ideas on this.
I just googled a bit and found this info about Listerine. I wonder if just strong alcohol would do just as good of a job and maybe better?
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20161220/mouthwash-helps-kill-gonorrhea-germs-in-mouth-throat-study[/URL]
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[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2582620]Looks like I triggered someone. Who says we all use condoms all the time? Also you have to be ignorant to think the ladies dont have random cocks or lips on random bros from around the world that you may be making out with or having sex with. Herpes isnt curable either. Just a risk of the hobby. I dont need critical thinking as long as people that I manage keep doing their jobs and making me money to travel and spend on fun activities.[/QUOTE]To each their own. I have worn masks in HK and if it cracks up others that's cool. Happy to provide the entertainment. Different strokes for different folks. It's ok. Really. I support those who don't want to wear and those who do.
A few HK girls also wear them which is interesting. When I am tipping a pole dancer or talking to a girl I normally pull off the mask which I realize kind of defeats the purpose but it's just a question if it doesn't hurt anyone if I wear it, and it may help even a low percentage when not with a girl. I will wear it. Also it helps with the smoke a bit as it can get really thick in HK at times. Also when walking around outside while not always. I have worn a mask as I had a bit of skin cancer on my nose that I got zapped off but I am paranoid about other areas so I just need to be careful with the sun rays. So it acts as a sun block probably better than actual sun screen.
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[QUOTE=Sol12;2582621]I think the media and government would of been wiser to inform the public on trying to eat better and exercise instead of getting fat at home watching tv and smoking weed.[/QUOTE]Exactly! People are all of a sudden worried about their health and they've been abusing their bodies this whole time stuffing crap in their pie holes. I have a brother that is a pharmacist and a sister that has had gastric bypass. She almost died during surgery. She should have just changed her diet and exercised regularly. Her body went from big to skinny back to big again because she didn't change her bad habits. My brother is a part of big pharma and all about medications and vaccinations. My grandparents that all lived into their 90's rarely utilized drugs and medications to help with pain or suffering as they let their bodies natural defenses deal with the issue. Do we know all of the side effects from using the drugs? I know you can get free donuts and the vaccines at McD. Glad I went to the gym the whole time during the shutdown. I have never felt better in my life mentally and physically. It is all about life choices. Everyone is free to do whatever they want, but at the end of the day you pay the consequences for your actions.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2582869]Exactly! People are all of a sudden worried about their health and they've been abusing their bodies this whole time stuffing crap in their pie holes. I have a brother that is a pharmacist and a sister that has had gastric bypass. She almost died during surgery. She should have just changed her diet and exercised regularly. Her body went from big to skinny back to big again because she didn't change her bad habits. My brother is a part of big pharma and all about medications and vaccinations. My grandparents that all lived into their 90's rarely utilized drugs and medications to help with pain or suffering as they let their bodies natural defenses deal with the issue. Do we know all of the side effects from using the drugs? I know you can get free donuts and the vaccines at McD. Glad I went to the gym the whole time during the shutdown. I have never felt better in my life mentally and physically. It is all about life choices. Everyone is free to do whatever they want, but at the end of the day you pay the consequences for your actions.[/QUOTE]The idiots in the media and government won't tell the truth about how covid is killing mostly obese and / or the elderly and / or people with pre existing conditions because that would get in the way of their agenda. Fast food lines have never been longer and I still see morons driving around in their cars by themselves wearing a mask. Just little observations of how dumbed down society is becoming. People think they can just take a pill or get a shot and all their troubles will go away. Doesn't work that way. Moe.
[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2582693]To each their own. I have worn masks in HK and if it cracks up others that's cool. Happy to provide the entertainment. Different strokes for different folks. It's ok. Really. I support those who don't want to wear and those who do.
A few HK girls also wear them which is interesting. When I am tipping a pole dancer or talking to a girl I normally pull off the mask which I realize kind of defeats the purpose but it's just a question if it doesn't hurt anyone if I wear it, and it may help even a low percentage when not with a girl. I will wear it. Also it helps with the smoke a bit as it can get really thick in HK at times. Also when walking around outside while not always. I have worn a mask as I had a bit of skin cancer on my nose that I got zapped off but I am paranoid about other areas so I just need to be careful with the sun rays. So it acts as a sun block probably better than actual sun screen.
G.[/QUOTE]To each their own. Live free and do as you please. I know in Asia I found it odd when I was outside all of the people with umbrellas on a perfectly sunny day. I thought maybe they know something I don't. They just want to make sure they don't lose their pasty white color so they aren't confused as farm laborers or lower class. In the USA People get spray tans and go to tanning booths. They also wear masks when they are sick so they don't affect others which is cool with me, but don't mandate them for perfectly healthy people. I have seen the ladies in the clubs that wear masks, but I don't really bother as I think the session is going to be like going to AMPS during the beginning of the pandemic. They would give you a BJ, but then wouldn't allow you to lick on their nipples. Also being intimate for me involves being face to face, unless you like doggy so no one breaths on each other. Got to social distance right? I support anyone's choice to do what they please, just like that Baptist church that go to veterans funerals and say we're all baby killers and going to hell. Good thing the Patriot Guard Riders keep everything civil. Everything has gone too PC and we wouldn't have to chat in these "private" forums if the oldest profession was more accepted. They'll probably legalize coke and meth before sex, because you know how dangerous it is for you right?
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2583034]To each their own. Live free and do as you please. I know in Asia I found it odd when I was outside all of the people with umbrellas on a perfectly sunny day. I thought maybe they know something I don't. They just want to make sure they don't lose their pasty white color so they aren't confused as farm laborers or lower class. In the USA People get spray tans and go to tanning booths. They also wear masks when they are sick so they don't affect others which is cool with me, but don't mandate them for perfectly healthy people. I have seen the ladies in the clubs that wear masks, but I don't really bother as I think the session is going to be like going to AMPS during the beginning of the pandemic. They would give you a BJ, but then wouldn't allow you to lick on their nipples. Also being intimate for me involves being face to face, unless you like doggy so no one breaths on each other. Got to social distance right? I support anyone's choice to do what they please, just like that Baptist church that go to veterans funerals and say we're all baby killers and going to hell. Good thing the Patriot Guard Riders keep everything civil. Everything has gone too PC and we wouldn't have to chat in these "private" forums if the oldest profession was more accepted. They'll probably legalize coke and meth before sex, because you know how dangerous it is for you right?[/QUOTE]Totally agree. The whole PC. B. S. That's what is so refreshing about Zone Norte. I love it when a HK girl walks up to me. With out a word or maybe just a Hola. , smiles and grabs my pants / cock. In the US some idiot would yell he was sexually harassed and sue the club and the girl.
Hookers give the Ultimate gift to the men they fuck and somehow they are not respected as much as professional massage therapists. This is complete bullshit. Disgusted with the religious right and the bullshit laws they have pushed into existence.
In Canada you can hire a sex therapist to fuck you under certain circumstances but somehow they are more respected than hookers. Complete and utter bull shit.
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[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2583050]Totally agree. The whole PC. B. S. That's what is so refreshing about Zone Norte. I love it when a HK girl walks up to me. With out a word or maybe just a Hola. , smiles and grabs my pants / cock. In the US some idiot would yell he was sexually harassed and sue the club and the girl.
Hookers give the Ultimate gift to the men they fuck and somehow they are not respected as much as professional massage therapists. This is complete bullshit. Disgusted with the religious right and the bullshit laws they have pushed into existence.
In Canada you can hire a sex therapist to fuck you under certain circumstances but somehow they are more respected than hookers. Complete and utter bull shit.
G.[/QUOTE]It would be really weird for a guy to scream sexual harassment. I've had a lady at work grab my ass at work, but I don't shit where I eat. I told my wife at the time about it and she was upset and said I should report it, but I laughed it off. A lot of women grab my ass as long as they don't try to stick anything in the one way. I love just sitting in the clubs and a lady stopping by asking if it is ok to sit on your lap and grind on you and then end up making out with them and rubbing her kitty in the club sweating and bouncing making me rock hard. The foreplay is great segue onto the main event. I still have yet to experience a lady riding me in the club, but maybe one day.
[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2583050]Totally agree. The whole PC. B. S. That's what is so refreshing about Zone Norte. I love it when a HK girl walks up to me. With out a word or maybe just a Hola. , smiles and grabs my pants / cock.
Hookers give the Ultimate gift to the men they fuck and somehow they are not respectedas much as professional massage therapists.[/QUOTE]So true. I respect and value their service.
A couple of occasions I have had guys referring to these ladies as bitches in the club and gently correct them.
All of us should respect and value the great service these women provide to us and how they improve our quality of life.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2528172]Think Tijuana is in bad shape? Lucky guy still cross the border into Tijuana to play with the girls, or boys for some pervs.
Thailand gets it far worse.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/03/960848011/how-the-pandemic-has-upended-the-lives-of-thailands-sex-workers[/URL][/QUOTE]F_ the Thai providers.
I experienced horrible racial discrimination in Thailand by providers - 50% of hot looking providers.
Much of Asia discriminates against very dark skinned people.
Interestingly I had pretty good success in Singapore (I. E, very little discrimination).
Tijuana is awesome for me. Discrimination is rare (but still present).
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2590781]F_ the Thai providers.
I experienced horrible racial discrimination in Thailand by providers - 50% of hot looking providers.
Much of Asia discriminates against very dark skinned people.
Interestingly I had pretty good success in Singapore (I. E, very little discrimination).
Tijuana is awesome for me. Discrimination is rare (but still present).[/QUOTE]Yeah sorry to hear that. I know they have a preference for fairer skin as they are thought to be of higher class. Even the normal body wash at 7/11 had whitening agents in them. Most of the Issan ladies are from farms and darker complexion, but beauty can be found in any color and sadly Asian countries want to remain as pale as the clouds. In China they were holding umbrellas walking around in a perfectly sunny day. While in the USA Ladies are sun bathing on the beach or in tanning salons. Thailand is fun and people were very hospitable, but they are closed down and businesses going out left and right. Hope it survives back to its former glory.
Some of those pics look like Soi 6, I have fond memories of walking down the street and the ladies were yelling and groping. Everyone should try Pattaya once in their lifetime. Especially like it during Songkran spraying each other with water cannons. Wet shirts everywhere.
Went for my yearly physical. Bloodwork. My dr, 30, hot Russian woman, asks me "why do you keep asking me to do the hiv test every year it shouldn't be necessary with safe sex". "Especially with covid you shouldn't even be trying to be risking things". For 1 long second, entire city of Tijuana flashed before my eyes, and I thought. No. She does not want to know.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2624583]Went for my yearly physical. Bloodwork. My dr, 30, hot Russian woman, asks me "why do you keep asking me to do the hiv test every year it shouldn't be necessary with safe sex". "Especially with covid you shouldn't even be trying to be risking things". For 1 long second, entire city of Tijuana flashed before my eyes, and I thought. No. She does not want to know.[/QUOTE]Yea, my doc is a guy and during one of my appointments before a trip he asked me what shots I wanted. And of course I needed that one for risky sexual behavior. I wasn't to embarrassed in fact I was a little proud!
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[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2624697]Yea, my doc is a guy and during one of my appointments before a trip he asked me what shots I wanted. And of course I needed that one for risky sexual behavior. I wasn't to embarrassed in fact I was a little proud!
G.[/QUOTE]For the first time in my life I went and had a screening done. Not cheap. Was around $140 for a 12 panel which checked for everything The way they price it out it's just a cheap to get everything checked then picking and choosing the the most likely. Was a little unnerving once I flashed back on how many times a camel slide turned into in for the win. Seemed a pain to go through the public option In San Diego and also figure you don't end up in a public health system data base. A few days later I got an all clear which actually was as much of a surprise as a relief. At my age the mentality was always "if it hurts when you pee" then go get checked. Now I'm just going to budget for it. Can anyone speak to what the process is to have it done in Tijuana? I know I have read about it here some time ago but the small details such as communication if you are a non native speaker and such wasn't very well covered. I once after a blown wrapper finish I was worried and did a bit of research and figured the drugs most likely to be of use for the three most obvious catchable things. Over the counter offered the pills and a syringe of whatever. The big head took over and I went and got tested a few weeks later and got the all clear. It's crazy how many Tijuana girls will go bare without a care after they have seen you a few times. But Damon it sure feels good.
[QUOTE=BunterHiden;2624946]For the first time in my life I went and had a screening done. Not cheap. Was around $140 for a 12 panel which checked for everything The way they price it out it's just a cheap to get everything checked then picking and choosing the the most likely. Was a little unnerving once I flashed back on how many times a camel slide turned into in for the win. Seemed a pain to go through the public option In San Diego and also figure you don't end up in a public health system data base. A few days later I got an all clear which actually was as much of a surprise as a relief. At my age the mentality was always "if it hurts when you pee" then go get checked. Now I'm just going to budget for it. Can anyone speak to what the process is to have it done in Tijuana? I know I have read about it here some time ago but the small details such as communication if you are a non native speaker and such wasn't very well covered. I once after a blown wrapper finish I was worried and did a bit of research and figured the drugs most likely to be of use for the three most obvious catchable things. Over the counter offered the pills and a syringe of whatever. The big head took over and I went and got tested a few weeks later and got the all clear. It's crazy how many Tijuana girls will go bare without a care after they have seen you a few times. But Damon it sure feels good.[/QUOTE]I've been wondering the last few years if any of the girls are on the medication the gay communities take which largely elim9 nates chances of acquiring HIV. I certainly would take it if I was a working girl. I would guess there's some guys I'll and here that take it. They can tell their dr they are gay and can't say no to quick hook ups.
Anybody have recent experiencing buying testosterone gel in Tijuana? LOWTIYEL, Androgel, etc. I read you can just go to a pharmacy and get a prescription right there. True? False? Price? Recommended pharmacies? Thanks!
Most farmacias require scripts. They sometimes steer you to doctors working in small offices right next to them. But a visit to a Tijuana doctor will cost $10-15 per script and an hour or so wait. Not worth it.
The only place I know that sells everything without scripts is farmacia International on Calle 1 and Constitucion, across the trinket alley from McDonalds.
Can anyone recommend a lab in town with quick service on STD panels?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2629829]The only place I know that sells everything without scripts is farmacia International on Calle 1 and Constitucion, across the trinket alley from McDonalds.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Any reason not to just go there and call it a day?
[QUOTE=GileAders;2630653]Can anyone recommend a lab in town with quick service on STD panels?
Thanks![/QUOTE]I have used this Lab before and it is right next to the zona. They can email you the results in a few days. Not too cheap or expensive but they professional. I also did my covid test there in the past.
Laboratorios Gamboa Sucursal Segunda, Direccióand: 22000 7206, see. Benito Juárez 2 da, Zona Centro, 22000 Tijuana, be. See.
Horas:
Abre pronto: ⋅ 06:30 Teléfono: 664 685 8116.
Is it expensive Seabee Joe? I might get one tomorrow if they don't stick a cotton swab down the inside of my dick. Do they do that anymore to check for the clap?
I saw a pretty fat plump active duty CB yest while dining out in San Diego. Wondering how got like that while on active duty. I asked him how many years of service and getting closer to the 20 yr. mark so his seniority helping him stay in LOL.
When I was on active duty at the supply center in Jax, FL we had on 05 a little heavy not too bad. Then when he retired he really plumped up hahahaha. He had a hot Filipina wife though.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2633355]stick a cotton swab down the inside of my dick. Do they do that anymore to check for the clap?[/QUOTE]No, they don't, at least in California.
[QUOTE=BunterHiden;2624946]For the first time in my life I went and had a screening done. Not cheap. Was around $140 for a 12 panel which checked for everything The way they price it out it's just a cheap to get everything checked then picking and choosing the the most likely. Was a little unnerving once I flashed back on how many times a camel slide turned into in for the win. Seemed a pain to go through the public option In San Diego and also figure you don't end up in a public health system data base. A few days later I got an all clear which actually was as much of a surprise as a relief. At my age the mentality was always "if it hurts when you pee" then go get checked. Now I'm just going to budget for it. Can anyone speak to what the process is to have it done in Tijuana? I know I have read about it here some time ago but the small details such as communication if you are a non native speaker and such wasn't very well covered. I once after a blown wrapper finish I was worried and did a bit of research and figured the drugs most likely to be of use for the three most obvious catchable things. Over the counter offered the pills and a syringe of whatever. The big head took over and I went and got tested a few weeks later and got the all clear. It's crazy how many Tijuana girls will go bare without a care after they have seen you a few times. But Damon it sure feels good.[/QUOTE]Dang Bunter. I would love to go bare at some point. I did have a girl offer that I could if I wanted.
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These girls have so many "encounters" the risk seems so high. If only got the clap and was treatable (some mutated versions are very hard to kill) is one thing but then there is the dreaded H and even if she not showing any cankers think can still get it and once have it can never get rid of it. Before this trip I Googled 'best condoms' and found several that I used so far that are really enjoyable.
Outside a committed relationship (yes a 'loyal' partner can still cheat and get it that way) I would only go bare with what they call on CRT board a 'hovia' a chica you see regularly for $ but outside her BF maybe only sees you and a small # of clients.
Of course if we had enough resources including time and lived in Arabe could hire an eunuch for our harem LOL.
[QUOTE=Gregyyr;2633421]Dang Bunter. I would love to go bare at some point. I did have a girl offer that I could if I wanted.
G.[/QUOTE]In surprised nobody on here has ever claimed to be on the HIV prevention medication that the gay men use. It's very successful if you are going to go bare with anyone not tested.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2633355]Is it expensive Seabee Joe? I might get one tomorrow if they don't stick a cotton swab down the inside of my dick. Do they do that anymore to check for the clap?
I saw a pretty fat plump active duty CB yest while dining out in San Diego. Wondering how got like that while on active duty. I asked him how many years of service and getting closer to the 20 yr. mark so his seniority helping him stay in LOL.
When I was on active duty at the supply center in Jax, FL we had on 05 a little heavy not too bad. Then when he retired he really plumped up hahahaha. He had a hot Filipina wife though.[/QUOTE]It was like 100 dollars usd for a full check up including the cotton swab LOL.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2633355]Is it expensive Seabee Joe? I might get one tomorrow if they don't stick a cotton swab down the inside of my dick. Do they do that anymore to check for the clap?
I saw a pretty fat plump active duty CB yest while dining out in San Diego. Wondering how got like that while on active duty. I asked him how many years of service and getting closer to the 20 yr. mark so his seniority helping him stay in LOL.
When I was on active duty at the supply center in Jax, FL we had on 05 a little heavy not too bad. Then when he retired he really plumped up hahahaha. He had a hot Filipina wife though.[/QUOTE]Too much good Navy chow brother. I have to admit I gained weight too after retirement now I am on a calorie restricted diet with a side of Tijuana chicas LOL.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2633809]In surprised nobody on here has ever claimed to be on the HIV prevention medication that the gay men use. [/QUOTE]Prep. Is that even avaiable without a prescription?
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2633809]In surprised nobody on here has ever claimed to be on the HIV prevention medication that the gay men use. It's very successful if you are going to go bare with anyone not tested.[/QUOTE]Have not heard of that medication. Will have to check it out for a once in a while take a risk adventure.
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"New research published on Monday suggests that Pfizer's erectile dysfunction drug Viagra can decrease the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease by up to 69%.
The research, which was published in Nature, found that the medication has a direct effect on brain health and significantly reduces the toxic proteins that can cause dementia.
The study's findings are so promising that the drug may someday be used to counter dementia. A new team of experts is preparing to conduct another study that builds on this data but tests the generic version of Viagra — sildenafil — in patients suffering from early Alzheimer's. . .
That's based on an analysis of health insurance claim data from over 7. 2 million people, in which records showed that claimants who took the medication were much less likely to develop Alzheimer's over the next six years of follow up, compared to matched control patients who didn't use sildenafil. . ."
[URL]https://greekreporter.com/2021/12/08/viagra-lowers-alzheimers/[/URL]
Commenters: Can't be true! Viagra hasn't helped Biden with his Alzheimers!
I think they need more hard evidence before a final determination can be made.
There's the old joke about a new medication called Ginkgo Viagra. It helps you remember what the f*$k you were supposed to do.
[QUOTE=BunterHiden;2624946]... It's crazy how many Tijuana girls will go bare without a care after they have seen you a few times. But Damon it sure feels good.[/QUOTE]Most will BB by the second meeting. Sometimes it takes two times before you can cross the Rubicon, but have never had one refuse BB on the third meeting and once it's in they never refuse again.
[QUOTE=Travv;2635668]"New research published on Monday suggests that Pfizer's erectile dysfunction drug Viagra can decrease the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease by up to 69%.
The research, which was published in Nature, found that the medication has a direct effect on brain health and significantly reduces the toxic proteins that can cause dementia.
The study's findings are so promising that the drug may someday be used to counter dementia. A new team of experts is preparing to conduct another study that builds on this data but tests the generic version of Viagra sildenafil in patients suffering from early Alzheimer's. . .
That's based on an analysis of health insurance claim data from over 7. 2 million people, in which records showed that claimants who took the medication were much less likely to develop Alzheimer's over the next six years of follow up, compared to matched control patients who didn't use sildenafil. . ."
[URL]https://greekreporter.com/2021/12/08/viagra-lowers-alzheimers/[/URL]
Commenters: Can't be true! Viagra hasn't helped Biden with his Alzheimers!.[/QUOTE]Just imagine a bunch of old men running around with constant "morning dick" LOL that is precious hahaahaha! But hey at least they will remember their name.
We thought we were out of the woods, and that maybe we could enjoy the holidays, but we were wrong. Omicron is upon us, and it is the deadliest plague humanity has ever faced. You probably won't survive. And if you find yourself having any of these Omicron symptoms, you will definitely die. Sorry!
1) Heartburn: If you find yourself with heartburn after eating pizza or onion rings, you probably have Omicron. Been nice knowin' ya.
2) Sneezing: Omicron is a perfect killing machine designed to replicate itself by inducing sneezes in the host. Diabolical.
3) Your bones make that weird cracking sound when you get out of a chair: It's the end of the line for you.
4) Being left-handed: To be fair, is life even worth living if you're left-handed?
5) The sun looks bright when you stare directly at it: President Trump proved he was extremely healthy and Omicron-free when he stared at the sun for several minutes unfazed.
6) Mild soreness after vigorous exercise: Oh no! Also, please sanitize your workout equipment. You may be dead soon, but you don't have to take us with you.
7) Existential dread: Thankfully, this can be cured with a visit to church, a nap, or a burrito. Unless you die of Omicron first.
Got any idea of what you will be paying for Mexican child support for month if you do a lot of BB? Anyone here pay Mexican Child Support? The hotel probably has your credit card and driver's license for the chica to find you in 9 months. . .
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2635905]Most will BB by the second meeting. Sometimes it takes two times before you can cross the Rubicon, but have never had one refuse BB on the third meeting and once it's in they never refuse again.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2633660]These girls have so many "encounters" the risk seems so high. If only got the clap and was treatable (some mutated versions are very hard to kill) is one thing but then there is the dreaded H and even if she not showing any cankers think can still get it and once have it can never get rid of it. Before this trip I Googled 'best condoms' and found several that I used so far that are really enjoyable.
Outside a committed relationship (yes a 'loyal' partner can still cheat and get it that way) I would only go bare with what they call on CRT board a 'hovia' a chica you see regularly for $ but outside her BF maybe only sees you and a small # of clients.
Of course if we had enough resources including time and lived in Arabe could hire an eunuch for our harem LOL.[/QUOTE]I recently began taking Truvada also referred as PrEP to prevent HIV. It's been proven to reduce the risk of HIV if exposed by 99%.
I ended up finding out about it and taking it after having a Bare Encounter with a girl, and getting infected with gonorrhea and Hepatitis A. I was almost sure she also was possibly infected with the worse of them all, but after 6 months and several test, was cleared.
I'll still take precautions, but be more willing to go bare or worry about it less thereafter while I'm taking the meds.
[QUOTE=Travv;2642532]Got any idea of what you will be paying for Mexican child support for month if you do a lot of BB? Anyone here pay Mexican Child Support? The hotel probably has your credit card and driver's license for the chica to find you in 9 months..[/QUOTE]I'm unsure if there is a legal system in place. On the other hand, I suspect that because the Mexican family is pretty big and honor is a primary concern, a Mexican family (hundreds of cousins) will team up and beat the shit out of the deadbead babby daddy.
[QUOTE=HormoneMonster;2642736]I recently began taking Truvada also referred as PrEP to prevent HIV. It's been proven to reduce the risk of HIV if exposed by 99%.
I ended up finding out about it and taking it after having a Bare Encounter with a girl, and getting infected with gonorrhea and Hepatitis A. I was almost sure she also was possibly infected with the worse of them all, but after 6 months and several test, was cleared.
I'll still take precautions, but be more willing to go bare or worry about it less thereafter while I'm taking the meds.[/QUOTE]Dude, just use a condom. I get that BBFS feels good but it is worth herpes, or even aids as even that drug isn't 100 percent and is expensive. Maybe look for a regular girl and date her. Your logic seems flawed but to each his own, we all live our life as we see fit.
Knew a guy who had a child support judgment in Mexico. Did some tile work for me. Told me his wife ran off with some rich guy and refused to let him see his kid, so he jumped the fence and refused to pay the CS. He told her that if he got to see his kid, he would pay but she wouldn't agree so he stayed in the USA and worked here so she couldn't enforce the Mexican CS judgment here. Guessing lots of Mexican guys dodge Mexican family court judgments by going to the USA and working off the books.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2642759]I'm unsure if there is a legal system in place. On the other hand, I suspect that because the Mexican family is pretty big and honor is a primary concern, a Mexican family (hundreds of cousins) will team up and beat the shit out of the deadbead babby daddy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2643019]Dude, just use a condom. I get that BBFS feels good but it is worth herpes, or even aids as even that drug isn't 100 percent and is expensive. Maybe look for a regular girl and date her. Your logic seems flawed but to each his own, we all live our life as we see fit.[/QUOTE]I don't think he should get a GF just to experience BBFS. Now, I don't do BBFS but, as you get older it helps a lot to not need to pause for condom, tell her to play with it to make it bigger, never mind the feeling is simply better without. The pill is very common in the gay community. I would guess its common in USA high end escort community too. I do not know if Mexican sex workers take this pill. Since their healthcare is cheaper they probably could if they wanted to. Honestly, if your a sex worker, and you take this pill, its a good idea. I would take a random guess that 10% of the guys paying for sex in Zona are his positive. So a girl taking that pill can save 20 to 30 years of her life. These HK girls probably get loads blown in their pushy or ass maybe 9 nce for every 25 guys they bang from guys breaking it on purpose or them simply breaking and the guy doesn't know or doesn't stop.
[QUOTE=Travv;2642532]Got any idea of what you will be paying for Mexican child support for month if you do a lot of BB? Anyone here pay Mexican Child Support? The hotel probably has your credit card and driver's license for the chica to find you in 9 months..[/QUOTE]It's very small by US standards (obviously). You'll be on the hook for monthly payments and, generally, half of other expenses, like school tuition, school supplies, etc. If you don't pay you don't get visitation. The daughter of a GF gets child support from her Mex Ex. I don't remember the exact amount but it's a few thousand pesos a month. It took her a couple years to get it. If you're from the USA the chica has to prove paternity. But if she does, she can get CA and other states, to enforce a child support judgement. But there is a fair amount of paperwork involved.
There are strains of the clap that are very highly resistant to antibiotics. I met a monger in CR who bared a nurse of all professions in Florida and got an almost untreatable case. No thank you!
It took many rounds of antibiotics to get his clap killed.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2642759]I'm unsure if there is a legal system in place. On the other hand, I suspect that because the Mexican family is pretty big and honor is a primary concern, a Mexican family (hundreds of cousins) will team up and beat the shit out of the deadbead babby daddy.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that there is a legal system in place and plenty of options if the girl knows the identity of the father and it could be quite expensive.
[QUOTE=Travv;2642396]We thought we were out of the woods, and that maybe we could enjoy the holidays, but we were wrong. Omicron is upon us, and it is the deadliest plague humanity has ever faced. You probably won't survive. And if you find yourself having any of these Omicron symptoms, you will definitely die. Sorry!
1) Heartburn: If you find yourself with heartburn after eating pizza or onion rings, you probably have Omicron. Been nice knowin' ya.
2) Sneezing: Omicron is a perfect killing machine designed to replicate itself by inducing sneezes in the host. Diabolical.
3) Your bones make that weird cracking sound when you get out of a chair: It's the end of the line for you.
4) Being left-handed: To be fair, is life even worth living if you're left-handed?
5) The sun looks bright when you stare directly at it: President Trump proved he was extremely healthy and Omicron-free when he stared at the sun for several minutes unfazed.
6) Mild soreness after vigorous exercise: Oh no! Also, please sanitize your workout equipment. You may be dead soon, but you don't have to take us with you.
7) Existential dread: Thankfully, this can be cured with a visit to church, a nap, or a burrito. Unless you die of Omicron first.[/QUOTE]You should start working as a reporter for some mainstream media outlet. LOL.
[QUOTE=Travv;2642532]Got any idea of what you will be paying for Mexican child support for month if you do a lot of BB? Anyone here pay Mexican Child Support? The hotel probably has your credit card and driver's license for the chica to find you in 9 months. . .[/QUOTE]Get snipped. Problem solved.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2643264]Get snipped. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]Still has to be far far less than USA Sex imprisonment schemes and expected cost of living payouts to knock up any USA Woman. I look at hot woman in USA and scared to socialize with them let alone have sex fearing a condom burst then I indebted the rest of my life and trapped in US never being allowed to leave!
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2643019]Dude, just use a condom. I get that BBFS feels good but it is worth herpes, or even aids as even that drug isn't 100 percent and is expensive. Maybe look for a regular girl and date her. Your logic seems flawed but to each his own, we all live our life as we see fit.[/QUOTE]HIV transmission from woman to man via vaginal sex is almost non-existent. I have been BBFS since 2006 in that time I have probably BB over 2000 times with working girls. That does not include sex parties, gangbangs and orgies. Got tested last month again and 100% clean.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;2648198]HIV transmission from woman to man via vaginal sex is almost non-existent. I have been BBFS since 2006 in that time I have probably BB over 2000 times with working girls. That does not include sex parties, gangbangs and orgies. Got tested last month again and 100% clean.[/QUOTE]I believe the part about HIV transmission however I just cannot believe the rest. Even Gene Simmons wraps it every time AND for good reason.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2648230]I believe the part about HIV transmission however I just cannot believe the rest. Even Gene Simmons wraps it every time AND for good reason.[/QUOTE]Guess I have been lucky, just was in Germany last month. Went to 5 gangbangs, fucking girls with pussies already filled with cum. Not to mention fucking on average 3 girls a day all BB. Ill probably test again in a couple of weeks, but so far so good.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;2648198]HIV transmission from woman to man via vaginal sex is almost non-existent. I have been BBFS since 2006 in that time I have probably BB over 2000 times with working girls. That does not include sex parties, gangbangs and orgies. Got tested last month again and 100% clean.[/QUOTE]How about if you BB a puta on her period?
[QUOTE=DFWdude;2648444]Guess I have been lucky, just was in Germany last month. Went to 5 gangbangs, fucking girls with pussies already filled with cum. Not to mention fucking on average 3 girls a day all BB. Ill probably test again in a couple of weeks, but so far so good.[/QUOTE]LOL oh my goodness. Does anyone believe this? Like I get some guys do this but would they admit to it on here? The transmission rate for a guy to get HIVs from a girl if not doing anal is very low. Not so low guys don't get it though. So when guys say, "the condom broke or she slipped it in bareback. Now I'm paranoid". There's low chance for HIV. Probably not good idea to panic over it. But there's a lot factors to consider. Are you circumcised? That helps you reduce chances of HIV. Did she allow bareback or did the condom slip? If she allows bareback you are likely banging other dudes loads as well as her. Us it a HK girl? They have less chances to be HIV positive due to blood tests. I would imagine if they got HIV they would take the memento hide it though which reduce the HIV numbers.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2648545]LOL oh my goodness. Does anyone believe this? Like I get some guys do this but would they admit to it on here? The transmission rate for a guy to get HIVs from a girl if not doing anal is very low. Not so low guys don't get it though. So when guys say, "the condom broke or she slipped it in bareback. Now I'm paranoid". There's low chance for HIV. Probably not good idea to panic over it. But there's a lot factors to consider. Are you circumcised? That helps you reduce chances of HIV. Did she allow bareback or did the condom slip? If she allows bareback you are likely banging other dudes loads as well as her. Us it a HK girl? They have less chances to be HIV positive due to blood tests. I would imagine if they got HIV they would take the memento hide it though which reduce the HIV numbers.[/QUOTE]99.9% of my play trips are now to Europe. I have been averaging 5-6 trips a year since 2006. Each trip I would stay an average of 7 or 8 days of those days I would usually take 1 or 2 days off to do other things so on average ID play say 5 days. So I have made lets say 82 trips. Each day I would play an average of 4 times per day in a sex club. So right there I am almost 1700 BB encounters. Now add in the gangbang parties (all BB) and other sex parties, there have been some that college girls would organize just to make extra money, they were more like orgies where all the sex would be in the living area of an apartment and it was more one on one sex than a gangbang, plus my domestic encounters when a trip to Europe was not possible, yea easily over 2000 and still clean.
I just did 5 gangbang parties last month, and to participate you have to have a clean bill of health.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;2648866]99.9% of my play trips are now to Europe. I have been averaging 5-6 trips a year since 2006. Each trip I would stay an average of 7 or 8 days of those days I would usually take 1 or 2 days off to do other things so on average ID play say 5 days. So I have made lets say 82 trips. Each day I would play an average of 4 times per day in a sex club. So right there I am almost 1700 BB encounters. Now add in the gangbang parties (all BB) and other sex parties, there have been some that college girls would organize just to make extra money, they were more like orgies where all the sex would be in the living area of an apartment and it was more one on one sex than a gangbang, plus my domestic encounters when a trip to Europe was not possible, yea easily over 2000 and still clean.
I just did 5 gangbang parties last month, and to participate you have to have a clean bill of health.[/QUOTE]I'd feel much safer BBing in Europe than Mexico.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2648474]How about if you BB a puta on her period?[/QUOTE]Don't go in with a razor cut on your pecker. Blood or not.
[QUOTE=DFWdude;2648866]99.9% of my play trips are now to Europe. I have been averaging 5-6 trips a year since 2006. Each trip I would stay an average of 7 or 8 days of those days I would usually take 1 or 2 days off to do other things so on average ID play say 5 days. So I have made lets say 82 trips. Each day I would play an average of 4 times per day in a sex club. So right there I am almost 1700 BB encounters. Now add in the gangbang parties (all BB) and other sex parties, there have been some that college girls would organize just to make extra money, they were more like orgies where all the sex would be in the living area of an apartment and it was more one on one sex than a gangbang, plus my domestic encounters when a trip to Europe was not possible, yea easily over 2000 and still clean.
I just did 5 gangbang parties last month, and to participate you have to have a clean bill of health.[/QUOTE]Would be interested in what part of the forum has details about these adventures.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2648941]Would be interested in what part of the forum has details about these adventures.[/QUOTE]Germany forum under FKK's and Such, easy to find.
Now that my Passport has been renewed and I have the card, I was thinking about making a quick trip down to get some meds and maybe do a test run. I just came back from Mexico City and 2022 is going to be the year I get some personal items finished.
Thanks.
Every farmacia in Tijuana has big signs touting V and C. Looks like those are the most popular med in Mexico.
Be careful where you buy your meds. Guys have been buying various EDs at Piri for years, have not heard complaints. I just bought 2 boxes of Ultra Lab Sildenafil with Piri's special 82.5% discount, 16 x 100 MG pills for 95 pesos or $5, or about 30 cents a pill, which I chopped out to 8 pieces and take only 12 MG each time, enough to give me a hard on all night. 16 pills would last me 128 weekends or over 2 years in HK. It does give me a face flush sometimes but no other side effects. A wingman took the whole pill and swore he had a hard on for the whole week. He said Maxifort is more expensive but does not work. His balls and dick may be unusual.
If you are in HK this Sunday for the Super Bowl game, look me up. Want to find out what you found in CDMX.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2661194]Every farmacia in Tijuana has big signs touting V and C. Looks like those are the most popular med in Mexico.
Be careful where you buy your meds. Guys have been buying various EDs at Piri for years, have not heard complaints. I just bought 2 boxes of Ultra Lab Sildenafil with Piri's special 82.5% discount, 16 x 100 MG pills for 95 pesos or $5, or about 30 cents a pill, which I chopped out to 8 pieces and take only 12 MG each time, enough to give me a hard on all night. 16 pills would last me 128 weekends or over 2 years in HK. It does give me a face flush sometimes but no other side effects. A wingman took the whole pill and swore he had a hard on for the whole week. He said Maxifort is more expensive but does not work. His balls and dick may be unusual.
If you are in HK this Sunday for the Super Bowl game, look me up. Want to find out what you found in CDMX.[/QUOTE]This who-knows-what's-in-it shit isn't worth what happens to your out of shape ass when even reasonably moderate hypotension happens.
Just saying, take care.
I bought a couple rounds of Sildenafil, Ultra Labs brand, with Piri's 82% discount, worked out to about 30 cents a 100 MG pill, which I chopped into 8 pieces, works great for my 2nd or 3rd session of the night with hot girls. Some night I even felt hot enough to do 4 girls with just 10 MG of this Ultra Labs' miracle pill. Some night I woke up with raging hard ONS again at 5 or 6 in the morning. There was no side effects, except a light face flush only one time. I am still alive, kicking and fornicating.
I don't use these pills much, gave them out to my friends. Old local judges just loooove these pills. If they have heart attacks and die naked on top of their old, obese court clerks in flea bag motels, well, I did not give them anything.
A wingman took a whole pill, had instant hard ONS the whole week. He said Maxifort brand did not work.
A new wingman bought 2 boxes, 16 pills, for $5, could not believe how cheap it was.
Have to be careful buying meds in Mexico. We do know a lot of guys are still alive and kicking with Piri's Sildernafils.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2661194]Every farmacia in Tijuana has big signs touting V and C. Looks like those are the most popular med in Mexico.
Be careful where you buy your meds. Guys have been buying various EDs at Piri for years, have not heard complaints. I just bought 2 boxes of Ultra Lab Sildenafil with Piri's special 82.5% discount, 16 x 100 MG pills for 95 pesos or $5, or about 30 cents a pill, which I chopped out to 8 pieces and take only 12 MG each time, enough to give me a hard on all night. 16 pills would last me 128 weekends or over 2 years in HK. It does give me a face flush sometimes but no other side effects. A wingman took the whole pill and swore he had a hard on for the whole week. He said Maxifort is more expensive but does not work. His balls and dick may be unusual.
If you are in HK this Sunday for the Super Bowl game, look me up. Want to find out what you found in CDMX.[/QUOTE]Hey Solo long time no see. I still miss the old Tijuana forum.
Thanks for the invite, HK for a football game? I was thinking Calente since I lay down some bets.
[QUOTE=DickusMaximus;2648941]Would be interested in what part of the forum has details about these adventures.[/QUOTE]Wow, that's some crazy shit. I was stationed in Spain and Italy for years with the Navy and I only BB a few girls. They were my girlfriends. I was too scared to ever bb a working girl.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2661194] I just bought 2 boxes of Ultra Lab Sildenafil with Piri's special 82.5% discount, 16 x 100 MG pills for 95 pesos or $5, or about 30 cents a pill, which I chopped out to 8 pieces and take only 12 MG each time, enough to give me a hard on all night. 16 pills would last me 128 weekends or over 2 years in HK..[/QUOTE]How do you chop pill into 8 pieces without destroying it in the process?
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2666388]Wow, that's some crazy shit. I was stationed in Spain and Italy for years with the Navy and I only BB a few girls. They were my girlfriends. I was too scared to ever bb a working girl.[/QUOTE]It is called wishful thinking. Guys thinks that the girls like them more because she gave him BB. The reality is that his chica gives BB to every one. And no, she does not wash her pussie since hygiene and safety is moot for her.
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2669432]How do you chop pill into 8 pieces without destroying it in the process?[/QUOTE]With CS story inflation, that pull was a fucking foot wide to begin with.
Keep the pill in the blister.
Hold a box cutter blade on top of the pill. Knock down with a heavy object like a stapler. You can cut the pill into many small pieces intact. Only stupid guys cannot do it.
My wingmen have been taking these 1/8 slivers of Sildenafil.
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[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2669432]How do you chop pill into 8 pieces without destroying it in the process?[/QUOTE]I put the pill between my upper and lower front teeth. Then I chomp off about 1/8 of the pill, give or take about 1/2 a pill.
Went to HK the other day and partied with a couple chicas. Long story short I ended up barebacking one for like 5 minutes. Does HK have a good reputation as far as clean / sanitary employees? I plan on getting tested in a couple days and am a little paranoid.
Any experiences would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Mezzalaquita1;2670437]Went to HK the other day and partied with a couple chicas. Long story short I ended up barebacking one for like 5 minutes. Does HK have a good reputation as far as clean / sanitary employees? I plan on getting tested in a couple days and am a little paranoid.
Any experiences would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]I guess that she could be having BB sex with every guy for 30 days before she met you because girls het checked for health cards every 30 days. So you should go get tested. They got treatment for everything nowadays. Even HIV, they can keep you alive for years with cocktail drugs. A little expensive so hopefully your insurance covers it. On the other hand, if you got infected and do not seek treatment, you are fucked. Can I have your HK card?
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2669793]Keep the pill in the blister.
Hold a box cutter blade on top of the pill. Knock down with a heavy object like a stapler. You can cut the pill into many small pieces intact. Only stupid guys cannot do it.
My wingmen have been taking these 1/8 slivers of Sildenafil.[/QUOTE]Just as an FYI the Captains chosen brand of the three generic V brands is 1/2 the size of the other two. Interestingly it is the only one of the three that actually sizes up to the original. Figral and Maxi are easy to bite off a piece but to think anyone with a razor blade can get 8 equal pieces off that sized pill is a stretch unless you are using a milligram scale. Just saying. BTW Piri is the best and always offers you the other two unless you ask for the pill that choosy Captains choose.
Hunter Biden.
Ultra Lab's Sildenafil works well enough. My wingman said it's more potent than Maxifort.
Hold a box cutter blade firm over the blister and knock it hard with a stapler. Repeat a couple times, you will get clean cuts. The slivers are cut clean, roughly about the same size, no breakage.
My wingmen and I take only 1/8 or 12 MG for the second and third shots. Never failed. I want to avoid meds' resistance and delay the day when I may have to eat a dozen pills for s small rise in my dick.
Here's a dumb question: are there any STD clinics in Tijuana?
I've done google searches in the area with no real luck. They either direct me to private practice or some elective plastic surgery place.
I'm going to Tijuana frequently enough to where I should stop by an STD clinic to check the damage from the previous visit.
If anyone has enough, please share.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2671832]Here's a dumb question: are there any STD clinics in Tijuana?
I've done google searches in the area with no real luck. They either direct me to private practice or some elective plastic surgery place.
I'm going to Tijuana frequently enough to where I should stop by an STD clinic to check the damage from the previous visit.
If anyone has enough, please share.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]There are several around town. For starters I recommend going to Plaza Rio. There is a full service lab that does STD testing in the perimeter of the parking lot. Forgot the name but its right there. About $100 gets you the full test load.
[QUOTE=Mezzalaquita1;2670437]Went to HK the other day and partied with a couple chicas. Long story short I ended up barebacking one for like 5 minutes. Does HK have a good reputation as far as clean / sanitary employees? I plan on getting tested in a couple days and am a little paranoid.
Any experiences would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]A test won't help let you know what you got from this girl as they take up to 3 months from acquiring HIV to show. The statistical odds you got HIV, would be like 1 in 5000.1st she would need to have HIV, the sex was only 5 minutes the odds of getting HIV are not high for a guy unless you do anal then it gets higher. You condom haters should be taking the pill daily that the gay guys take. In your case 5 minutes I can see that happen by accident once its in its hard to stop. Fear of a baby helped dilipine me for 20 years but in hk nobody is thinking about child support.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2672133]A test won't help let you know what you got from this girl as they take up to 3 months from acquiring HIV to show. The statistical odds you got HIV, would be like 1 in 5000.1st she would need to have HIV, the sex was only 5 minutes the odds of getting HIV are not high for a guy unless you do anal then it gets higher. You condom haters should be taking the pill daily that the gay guys take. In your case 5 minutes I can see that happen by accident once its in its hard to stop. Fear of a baby helped dilipine me for 20 years but in hk nobody is thinking about child support.[/QUOTE]I would say you are high risk for HIV just because a hot HK chica gets fucked by 100's of men per month. They're personal health card that is done once a month is useless when you have so many sexual partners in between each test. When you bb a HK chica you are essentially exposing yourself to infections from all those other men that have been inside her. Sure it's vaginal sex is lower risk than anal. But then again, a normal girl you have vaginal sex with doesn't have nearly as many partners as an HK chica. I hope you test negative (takes 3 months for antibodies to show up in your blood). If you're safe, take it as a que to start using condoms. Mongering is only fun if you can keep it going and not ruin your life with HIV. The risk is too high to BB any HK chica bc they get fucked by literally hundreds of men a month.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2671832]Here's a dumb question: are there any STD clinics in Tijuana?
I've done google searches in the area with no real luck. They either direct me to private practice or some elective plastic surgery place.
I'm going to Tijuana frequently enough to where I should stop by an STD clinic to check the damage from the previous visit.
If anyone has enough, please share.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If you're using condoms, they're no reason to check for anything. I'm assuming you BB or are incredibly rough since you have concerns of STD's.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2672385]If you're using condoms, they're no reason to check for anything. I'm assuming you BB or are incredibly rough since you have concerns of STD's.[/QUOTE]I always use jimmys. But I'm usually at least 6 drinks in, and in the throws of passions, things happen. I figure it'd be cheaper to check there than state side.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2672181]I would say you are high risk for HIV just because a hot HK chica gets fucked by 100's of men per month. They're personal health card that is done once a month is useless when you have so many sexual partners in between each test. When you bb a HK chica you are essentially exposing yourself to infections from all those other men that have been inside her. Sure it's vaginal sex is lower risk than anal. But then again, a normal girl you have vaginal sex with doesn't have nearly as many partners as an HK chica. I hope you test negative (takes 3 months for antibodies to show up in your blood). If you're safe, take it as a que to start using condoms. Mongering is only fun if you can keep it going and not ruin your life with HIV. The risk is too high to BB any HK chica bc they get fucked by literally hundreds of men a month.[/QUOTE]If you have seen the newly released Pfizer docs, the ones they were trying to not get released until 2097 when we are all dead you will see they knew in pretrial of over 1291 adverse reactions and side affects, including a severely weakened immune system, there are 9 pages starting on page 30 of the docs that talk about STDs from the vaccine including all types of herpes the long term affects of a weakened immune system include Vaids vaccine induced Aids this version is twice as bad as aids, full blown aids in 2 to 3 years instead of 6 anyway they have ruined the one good thing left in life women.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2672533]I always use jimmys. But I'm usually at least 6 drinks in, and in the throws of passions, things happen. I figure it'd be cheaper to check there than state side.[/QUOTE]Haha understood. I've had my fair share of scary moments too with condom malfunction / slip off. Always scares the shit out of me be / see these chicas are with so many men that their monthly health cards basically mean nothing.
This is a little embarrassing but fuck it, having trouble staying at attention, if a girl is blowing me or jerking me no problem but as soon as I want to have sex I get soft I kept thinking is the condom but this didn't happen before or not as often, I know it's probably that I'm fat and getting older and need to loose weight but any recommendations for any pills that could help, a little scared of Viagra I suffer from anxiety and I hear it makes your heart beat faster so wondering any suggestions out there or what pills anyone else uses for help.
[QUOTE=MagicMan83;2673612]This is a little embarrassing but fuck it, having trouble staying at attention, if a girl is blowing me or jerking me no problem but as soon as I want to have sex I get soft I kept thinking is the condom but this didn't happen before or not as often, I know it's probably that I'm fat and getting older and need to loose weight but any recommendations for any pills that could help, a little scared of Viagra I suffer from anxiety and I hear it makes your heart beat faster so wondering any suggestions out there or what pills anyone else uses for help.[/QUOTE]I have similar issue if after 1st pop. You should really consult a doctor for a prescription with Viagra or Cialis. I wouldn't want to try and figure it out on your own if you have cardiovascular issues.
[QUOTE=MagicMan83;2673612]This is a little embarrassing but fuck it, having trouble staying at attention, if a girl is blowing me or jerking me no problem but as soon as I want to have sex I get soft I kept thinking is the condom but this didn't happen before or not as often, I know it's probably that I'm fat and getting older and need to loose weight but any recommendations for any pills that could help, a little scared of Viagra I suffer from anxiety and I hear it makes your heart beat faster so wondering any suggestions out there or what pills anyone else uses for help.[/QUOTE]I hate Viagra as well, I get heart palpitations from it. I switched to Cialis, it lasts up to 36 hours vs 4-5 hours (for Viagra).
[QUOTE=MagicMan83;2673612]This is a little embarrassing but fuck it, having trouble staying at attention, if a girl is blowing me or jerking me no problem but as soon as I want to have sex I get soft I kept thinking is the condom but this didn't happen before or not as often, I know it's probably that I'm fat and getting older and need to loose weight but any recommendations for any pills that could help, a little scared of Viagra I suffer from anxiety and I hear it makes your heart beat faster so wondering any suggestions out there or what pills anyone else uses for help.[/QUOTE]This is normal. I used to get wood just walking into HK, if I had Viagra in me until a year ago. Now I need a girl to kiss or blow me or wood not happening even with Viagra.
[QUOTE=BlackThought;2676255]Two of them actually gave me a disgusted look when I asked for BBBJ like I offended them. CBJ is really difficult to enjoy, I practically gave up on my second night and ended up just jerking off to some porn in the room jaja. I don't think I could've handled a fishy pussy for the third time. I miss Germany FKK clubs, BBBJ is the standard, no stinky pussies, and no annoying ass meseros pushing drinks.[/QUOTE]I had a really bad chica one time in HK, she had nuclear level fishy pussy. She looked sooo good in the club, light skinned and a real spinner, but her pimp boyfriend must have given some infection or maybe one of her clients. That is soooooo unacceptable to me, I always wash my "bat and balls" for the ladies, hygiene in so damn important, and I know those fishy pussy gals know they stink but don't care to do anything about it, fucking disgusting pigs.
Reasons for a dead fish odor.
"You get bacterial vaginosis when there's an overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria in the vagina," says Minkin. "And these anaerobic organisms are odorous. " Trichomoniasis. Trichomoniasis is the most common curable sexually transmitted infection and easily treatable with a course of antibiotics. Meds are ridiculously cheap in Mexico, so those chica in the bar with stank pussies have no excuse, hell why does the health department that gives them their "puta cards" so they can work give them the green light when they have stank puss? Maybe they pay them off LOL.
As I understand it, a fishy odor does not necessary mean STD (dead animal smell is STD). Some girls just omit a fish odor when they've had a lot of sex that day. Me, when I smell fish odor, I just take a giant big sniff and inhale as much as I can. And right after, my nose is somewhat desensitized and it doesn't smell as bad. So guys, take one big inhale and take all that fish odor in and you'll feel better afterwards.
The vaginas have lots of different bacteria, but they are beneficial types and healthy vaginas should have no odor.
It's possible the dead-fish odor is caused by repeat intercourse without proper washing, but dead fish odor is definitely caused by some types of bacteria, potentially carrying diseases. Dead animal smell is caused by dead human cells, like sperms or cancerous cells in cervix or vagina. It potentially breeds diseases. Contact should be avoided in both cases. Any rotting odors would piss me off and kill my boner.
This high-price bar girl in Costa Del Este, Uruguay looked pretty hot, but her pussy had dead fish smell, killed my boner.
Picked up another hot girl at Club Krystal in Foz do Iquacu. She looked beautiful like a super model, but her dead-fish smell just killed my romantic mood. Damn. But a pretty spinner picked up from a cacsa, was nice, clean and fun. I could suck her clit, eat her pussy and feel sexy.
A high percentage of girls in Latin America have dead-fish or rotten-cells pussies. Poor hygiene and use of certain drugs may cause chemical imbalance and body odors. Guys who partake drugs found any stinky body odors? I dink alcohol everyday, some prescription meds, but no illegal drugs, have no stinky body odors. An ex GF liked t inhale the scent in my armpit, which she said very masculine and sexy, got her sexually aroused.
In contrary, I have never had a fishy pussy in China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lao, Singapore, Indonesia, Phil and I bagged a lot of girls in Asia, 5 or 6 some days. Did have a very stinky pussy in Bangkok. Damn disgusting.
[QUOTE=MagicMan83;2673612]This is a little embarrassing but fuck it, having trouble staying at attention, if a girl is blowing me or jerking me no problem but as soon as I want to have sex I get soft I kept thinking is the condom but this didn't happen before or not as often, I know it's probably that I'm fat and getting older and need to loose weight but any recommendations for any pills that could help, a little scared of Viagra I suffer from anxiety and I hear it makes your heart beat faster so wondering any suggestions out there or what pills anyone else uses for help.[/QUOTE]Just take lowest dose you can while getting to attention. For me 20 MG is perfect and minimal side effects. If I take 50 MG or more I get the side effects.
Kidnaping murder of American despite ransom paid.
At least she got her son's body back.
It may be a good idea to resist a kidnaping at all cost including the risk of taking a round. Remember that they got to hit a major organ to kill ya right away.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMn1A-27S0[/URL]
FFF is having all the attention of cartels guys, just waiting for the right day.
Kidnaping murder of American despite ransom paid.
At least she got her son's body back.
It may be a good idea to resist a kidnaping at all cost including the risk of taking a round. Remember that they got to hit a major organ to kill ya right away.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMn1A-27S0[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2678312]Kidnaping murder of American despite ransom paid.
At least she got her son's body back.
It may be a good idea to resist a kidnaping at all cost including the risk of taking a round. Remember that they got to hit a major organ to kill ya right away.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMn1A-27S0[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2678040]Just take lowest dose you can while getting to attention. For me 20 MG is perfect and minimal side effects. If I take 50 MG or more I get the side effects.[/QUOTE]Plus, the side effects may go away after repeated usage. That was my case. I started taking 100 MG Viagra, due to some anxiety performing. This was like 20 years ago, and I still use the 100 MG pills. Overtime the side effects subsided and eventually they went away completely.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2677599]In contrary, I have never had a fishy pussy in China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Lao, Singapore, Indonesia, Phil and I bagged a lot of girls in Asia, 5 or 6 some days. Did have a very stinky pussy in Bangkok. Damn disgusting.[/QUOTE]Here's my breakdown of musty / fishy pussy.
Thailand = 0 (sample size 2).
Philippines = 1 fishy (sample size 5).
Vietnam = 0 (sample size 8).
Colombia = 1 musty (sample size 5).
Costa Rica = 1 fishy (sample size 10).
Mexico = 3 fishy + 1 musty (sample size 6).
Germany = 0 (sample size 200), I think the FKK clubs inspect or bans the girl if enough customers complain.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2678312]Kidnaping murder of American despite ransom paid.
At least she got her son's body back.
It may be a good idea to resist a kidnaping at all cost including the risk of taking a round. Remember that they got to hit a major organ to kill ya right away.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMn1A-27S0[/URL].[/QUOTE]That's horrible, but I strongly suspect there is far more to the story than anybody is letting on. I don't think the narcos go around kidnapping random people. The victims tend to be from families with money and relatives on both sides of the border. Or sometimes the victim pisses off some narco and gets abducted, tortured and killed. Methinks the kid was mixed up in something he shouldn't have been messing with.
BlackThoughts,
Thanks for your scientific survey. Here are nine:
Here's my breakdown of fishy pussy.
Thailand = 1 (sample size 12).
Philippines =0 fishy (sample size 50).
Vietnam = 0 (sample size 250).
China = 0 (sample size 200).
Hong Kong = 0 (sample size 50).
Korea = 0 (sample size 10).
Japan = 0 (sample size 5).
Cambodia = 0 (Sample size 50).
Malaysia = 0 (Sample size 5).
Singapore = 0 (Sample size 60).
Indonesia / Bali = 0 (sample size 80).
Colombia = 2 fishy (sample size 30).
Mexico = 5 fishy (sample size 500).
Argentina = 0 (sample size 60).
Brazil =2 fishy (sample size 20).
Uruguay = 1 (sample size 5).
Europe = 0 (sample size 50).
Russia = 0 (sample size 10).
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2678751]BlackThoughts,
Thanks for your scientific survey. Here are nine:
Here's my breakdown of fishy pussy.
Thailand = 1 (sample size 12).
Philippines =0 fishy (sample size 50).
Vietnam = 0 (sample size 250)..[/QUOTE]Wow you have done a lot in Asia. Vietnam in my opinion is a shitty destination for mongering.
BlackThoughts.
Unlike Thailand, prostitution in Vietnam is kept under wrap and is regularly prosecuted. Bar girls and Wechat girls are way too hardened.
The internet has thousands of hot young girls in HCMC and Hanoi. The girls there are a lot prettier and fresher than girls in Thailand. They post ads in many web sites and make dates in ST hotels. Once you get to know them they would go out all night, clubs, food, parties, vacations ect. But few speak English and most would still be hesitant and shy to be seen in public with older foreigners.
Check this site:
[URL]DONGGAI.INFO[/URL]
I am going on a month vacation soon.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/what-is-bacterial-vaginosis-222705258.html[/URL]
Bacterial vaginosis is the most common vaginal infection in women — here's what you need to know.
Taayoo Murray Tue, April 5, 2022,3:27 PM.
Bacterial vaginosis BV is the most common vaginal infection in women. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the condition affects nearly 30% of women between 15 and 44 years old. However, BV disproportionately impacts Black women, who have an estimated infection rate of more than 50%.
BV occurs when there's an overgrowth of bacteria, according to the Mayo Clinic, which throws off the natural PH balance of the vagina.
What causes bacterial vaginosis?
Bacterial vaginosis is most often caused by an overgrowth of a common type of bacteria called Gardner Ella vaginalis. Certain risk factors, such as douching, can disrupt the balance of "good" and "bad" bacteria in the vagina, leading to this overgrowth.
BV can happen to anyone with a vagina, even if you're not sexually active. However, occurrence in those who are not sexually active is rare.
You're at higher risk for getting BV if you're pregnant; have a new sex partner, a female sex partner or multiple sex partners; don't use condoms or dental dams; use douches; or have an intrauterine device.
There is no foolproof way of avoiding bacterial vaginosis. But you can reduce your risk by not douching, limiting sex partners, using latex condoms or dental dams and wearing cotton or cotton-lined underwear.
What are the symptoms?
Dr. Jennifer Wider tells Yahoo Life, "Sometimes there are no symptoms, but if there are, the most common include an off-white, gray or greenish, watery vaginal discharge a 'fishy' odor that can be strongest during the period or after sex. A less common symptom is itchiness or soreness. "
Dr. Kecia Gaither, director of perinatal services at NYC Health + Hospitals / Lincoln in the Bronx points out to Yahoo Life that some people think bacterial vaginosis is a sexually transmitted infection, "hence the stigma," she says. "But it is not."
However, BV can increase your risk of getting a sexually transmitted infection, such as chlamydia or gonorrhea, according to the CDC. That, in turn, can lead to pelvic inflammatory disease. Having BV when you're pregnant also increases the risk of preterm birth before 37 weeks of pregnancy.
BV is sometimes mistaken for other conditions like a non-viral STI called trichomoniasis, as well as other bacterial infections including chlamydia and gonorrhea.
According to Cleveland Clinic, the most common mix-up occurs between bacterial vaginosis and yeast infections because both are bacterial infections that cause increased discharge. However, there are notable differences between the two infections: discharge with bacterial vaginosis has a fishy smell and is watery in consistency, while discharge from a yeast infection is thick and white with a cottage cheese-like appearance and there isn't a strong odor.
Typically, BV doesn't cause irritation or itchiness, but a yeast infection will. Finally, yeast infections can be treated with over-the counter-medications or with an antifungal medication, while you will need prescription antibiotics for bacterial vaginosis.
How do you treat bacterial vaginosis?
The good news is that bacterial vaginosis is curable. The infection is diagnosed through a sample of vaginal fluid taken through a gynecological exam and sent to a lab. After diagnosis, treatment usually involves a seven-day course of antibiotics. Gaither explains that "multiple therapeutic medications have been utilized for treatment like metronidazole, clindamycin and tinidazole."
However, not finishing the full course of antibiotics can trigger a relapse, according to the USA Department of Health and Human Services. Also, in a small percentage of cases, people may need a second treatment. Unfortunately, research shows that BV has a high rate of recurrence — a 2021 study found that BV will recur within six months in more than 50% of cases.
Bacterial vaginosis is thankfully considered a mild infection, but it can make you susceptible to more serious health conditions. If you experience any of the symptoms, don't delay seeing your medical provider.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2678751]BlackThoughts,
Thanks for your scientific survey. Here are nine:
Here's my breakdown of fishy pussy.
Thailand = 1 (sample size 12).
Philippines =0 fishy (sample size 50).
Vietnam = 0 (sample size 250).
China = 0 (sample size 200).
Hong Kong = 0 (sample size 50).
Korea = 0 (sample size 10).
Japan = 0 (sample size 5)..[/QUOTE]I am unlucky.
Tijuana =.25 (samples. Size 500).
CB joe,
You mentioned 3 out of 4 escorts you encountered in Tijuana had dead fish pussies. So overall combined escorts, bar girls, street girls you hit about 1 in 4 with dead fish?
I got a few bad ones in HK, repulsive enough to make me hesitate to take them up. You are more likely to find girls with stinky pussies in Latin America than Asia and Europe.
Strangely I have not run across any street girls with fishy pussies in 18 years. I think they are more conservative, no drugs, no alcohol, no kinky sex ect and they keep themselves clean. Bar girls do a lot of drinking, snorting drugs, filthy sex. Chemical imbalance in their bodies cause foul odors.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2683315]I am unlucky.
Tijuana =.25 (samples. Size 500).[/QUOTE]I would agree with these myself.
Just is a super rare issue.
Must be the vetting that's the problem.
I am currently taking a combination of dapoxetine (usually 30-60 MG) and tadlafil (usually 10-20 MG) as I experience loss of arousal in the middle of the act (this happens esp. When I am performing DATY for a prolonged time). Also, it is a combination reason that comes due to age and stress. I used to experience mild side effects with Ranbaxy pill (obviously it was just the sildenafil variant). But the current combo is quite better and I hardly experience any side effects and plus the effects of the tadlafil lasts longer than sildenafil.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2678494]Plus, the side effects may go away after repeated usage. That was my case. I started taking 100 MG Viagra, due to some anxiety performing. This was like 20 years ago, and I still use the 100 MG pills. Overtime the side effects subsided and eventually they went away completely.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2678040]Just take lowest dose you can while getting to attention. For me 20 MG is perfect and minimal side effects. If I take 50 MG or more I get the side effects.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2683359]CB joe,
You mentioned 3 out of 4 escorts you encountered in Tijuana had dead fish pussies. So overall combined escorts, bar girls, street girls you hit about 1 in 4 with dead fish?
I got a few bad ones in HK, repulsive enough to make me hesitate to take them up. You are more likely to find girls with stinky pussies in Latin America than Asia and Europe.
Strangely I have not run across any street girls with fishy pussies in 18 years. I think they are more conservative, no drugs, no alcohol, no kinky sex ect and they keep themselves clean. Bar girls do a lot of drinking, snorting drugs, filthy sex. Chemical imbalance in their bodies cause foul odors.[/QUOTE]I agree with your assessment Captain, yes it does seem like in Latin America there are more instances of it then in Europe and Asian. In Japan I never had any bad smells, just one time I had to deal with a hooker that had bad sushi breath, she had the classic Japanese dagger teeth. Uggg. In Europe I never encountered any stank pussies except one time in Madrid Spain with this Romanian gal, but it was a mild case. I still shot my load and enjoyed myself.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2683315]I am unlucky.
Tijuana =.25 (samples. Size 500).[/QUOTE]I meant to type out of 500 sessions in Tijuana I had about 25 stinky pussies and a few nuclear level horrible stank puss.
[QUOTE=MmaufcFan;2690521]I bet some do it so the guy doesn't take forever and they hope he quits and they get paid. Not all but some.[/QUOTE]Fishy smell just means HK chica either has an STD or you're ramming your dick in a vagina that has a pool of rotting semen from the last 20 men she bare backed and allowed to creampie her. Not sure why anyone here is surprised at ALL by fishy smelling vaginas. Let's be honest. HK women are working girls and prostitutes who get fucked by dozens of men a day. They're not Victoria secret super models that are fresh and clean for you.
[QUOTE=MmaufcFan;2690521]I bet some do it so the guy doesn't take forever and they hope he quits and they get paid. Not all but some.[/QUOTE]That's some fucked up shit if it is true, the turn over of new mongers is constant. Even if the girl is a total stanky dud ther will always be new dicks entering HK and the zona. We just must keep educating our new mongers in arms LOL. I chalk up the stank to being over sexed, not using condoms, and not taking a shower after sex. Also being to lazy or broke to go see a doctor for some antibiotics.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2690545]Fishy smell just means HK chica either has an STD or you're ramming your dick in a vagina that has a pool of rotting semen from the last 20 men she bare backed and allowed to creampie her. Not sure why anyone here is surprised at ALL by fishy smelling vaginas. Let's be honest. HK women are working girls and prostitutes who get fucked by dozens of men a day. They're not Victoria secret super models that are fresh and clean for you.[/QUOTE]There's a pretty significant % of men that frequent HK that actually go there to just party with the girls and don't take them arriba. In FKK clubs, men go there not to party with girls, but to fuck them. The average FKK girl definitely get fucked by more dicks than the average HK girl and I have not ran into a single fishy pussy at a FKK club. Don't make excuses for fishy pussy, it's not normal.
[QUOTE=BlackThought;2690777]There's a pretty significant % of men that frequent HK that actually go there to just party with the girls and don't take them arriba. In FKK clubs, men go there not to party with girls, but to fuck them. The average FKK girl definitely get fucked by more dicks than the average HK girl and I have not ran into a single fishy pussy at a FKK club. Don't make excuses for fishy pussy, it's not normal.[/QUOTE]I wasn't making excuses. I'm just saying that I'm surprised people are even complaining about it given that they're going arriba with a girl that has sex with dozens of dicks a day everyday, many of which are probably without a condom. Like I said, the smell is either from an infection or from rotting jizz creampies from many dudes mixed together from the girls days worth of work.
Fish smell is not normal, I agree with you there, especially if you're talking about a normal run of the mill female. However, we're talking about prostitutes in a very busy brothel that bang tons of men a day, many of which are bareback. Coming across a fishy smell should not be surprising or unexpected at all. It's a risk that comes with the adventure.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2690545] HK women are working girls and prostitutes who get fucked by dozens of men a day. They're not Victoria secret super models that are fresh and clean for you.[/QUOTE]I disagree that they fuck dozens of guys a day.
I would guess the average gal only Fucks two guys a shift.
The really busy ones may fuck 10 guys in a shift.
Just look around most of them sit around bored or trying hard to get your attention.
Rambo,
One of the hottest and most popular girls in HK said she made $500 for the best night, that computes to 3 to 5 sessions a night max, going arriba pretty much back to back for the whole shift. She's so pretty lots of guys wine and dine her, give her extra money and gifts. She BBs a couple guys whom I know. The average HK girls probably bag 1 sessions every 2 days as a median.
Putas have to test every month clean of any STIs to be able to sell sex. It's illegal, unethical and offensive to have sex and pass on diseases. If restaurants sell rotten food, they may go to prison. The healthy vaginas have no odor. I would skip any girls with stinky pussy. To avoid getting ambushed in the room with big, stinky pussies blowing up in the face, guys should ask the putas for guarantee of nice, clean, healthy, unsmelly, uninfected pussies before heading upstairs. Any indications of smelly or infected pussies will void the offer. Will have this delicate question translated to the King's Spanish soon.
No girls in the civilized countries would fuck guys with smelly, infected or bleeding pussies, or even any foul body odor. Putas in the Latin world should maintain much better care of their health and hygiene if they want to move up in the business.
While I think this is true for most girls most of the time I think something happens 11-midnight weekends. Maybe drunk guys showing up to FK I dunno. I drank a bit too much and was doing a lot of walking including to my room Sat night / Sun morning.
Last weekend I personally saw a blonde going up to the room 4 times from the hotel lobby. Peaked my interest and looked for her in HK. Was going to get her a drink at the min. It appeared she took 2 more guys up from the tables.
I later found a girl I liked and took her up to my room. Her and another girl were talking in elevator how nany times they went up to room. Mine said 3 and other said 9. Maybe they were truthful maybe not.
Imo it looked like a lot of sex was going down 11 pm to 3 AM.
In general I agree with you take. Not only is 1-2 probably right for some girls I think others get 0. Something happens between 11-3 imo to make sexo more common.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691207]Rambo,
One of the hottest and most popular girls in HK said she made $500 for the best night, that computes to 3 to 5 sessions a night max, going arriba pretty much back to back for the whole shift. She's so pretty lots of guys wine and dine her, give her extra money and gifts. She BBs a couple guys whom I know. The average HK girls probably bag 1 sessions every 2 days as a median.
Putas have to test every month clean of any STIs to be able to sell sex. It's illegal, unethical and offensive to have sex and pass on diseases. If restaurants sell rotten food, they may go to prison. The healthy vaginas have no odor. I would skip any girls with stinky pussy. To avoid getting ambushed in the room with big, stinky pussies blowing up in the face, guys should ask the putas for guarantee of nice, clean, healthy, unsmelly, uninfected pussies before heading upstairs. Any indications of smelly or infected pussies will void the offer. Will have this delicate question translated to the King's Spanish soon.
No girls in the civilized countries would fuck guys with smelly, infected or bleeding pussies, or even any foul body odor. Putas in the Latin world should maintain much better care of their health and hygiene if they want to move up in the business.[/QUOTE]
MMA,
You will find your Spanish learning capability vastly improves by buying me a few beers in HK.
Soon after you will be able to romance HK girls like a real Don Juan, having dozens hottest ones hanging on to you all night, leaving only ugly putas with stinky pussies to fake players.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691324]MMA,
You will find your Spanish learning capability vastly improves by buying me a few beers in HK.
Soon after you will be able to romance HK girls like a real Don Juan, having dozens hottest ones hanging on to you all night, leaving only ugly putas with stinky pussies to fake players.[/QUOTE]Hilarious, I don't even buy the girls a drink usually! I got to get into a routine when I move there in June and budget mixing in SG, clubs and mileroticos. I am lucky I can afford to live in San Diego and keep my job. I am going to be paying quite a bit more for rent that eats into my disposable income, but I do save in plane ticket and hotel cost over 3-4 day trip to come from east coast. I am going to have to be a cheap fuck there. But When I move there June 7th I'll see you that weekend and buy you a beer to celebrate that I will be living 15 min from the action and monger whenever I feel. Hell yea brother! I'll even bring my female friend you liked so much sometime she was going to get married but the guy ran off, now I'm back to fucking her haha.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2690545]Fishy smell just means HK chica either has an STD or you're ramming your dick in a vagina that has a pool of rotting semen from the last 20 men she bare backed and allowed to creampie her. Not sure why anyone here is surprised at ALL by fishy smelling vaginas. Let's be honest. HK women are working girls and prostitutes who get fucked by dozens of men a day. They're not Victoria secret super models that are fresh and clean for you.[/QUOTE]I actually agree with this. Why else a phuckin panocha smell so bad? Diet come on Capitan!
Not saying they ALL like this. Sure many are just part time and "lower" mileage with far less chance of stinking vagina.
Not sure about this. 1/5 (I. E. 20% of American women) have herpes.
A buddy of mine just broke up with his slutty GF because she accused him of giving her the H when he not infected. Do that math.
Cocr,
Street girls in Tijuana fuck guys far more often than bar girls, may be 3 x to 5 x more often, but they don't have stinky pussies. The ones I know in Tijuana over 20 years have been smelling nice and clean; no stinky pussies on the street.
I think street girls have respect for clients; bar girls think they are so hot they don't give a shit about clients and don't care to keep themselves clean.
If I find any girl with stinky pussy or bad body odor I will make sure she understands my disgust, and I will not come near her again. I also spread the words so nobody fucks her or gives her any money.
My theory is that street girls are more hygienic because they are more strictly regulated with health card inspection. So they take more precautions since they lack the money power to buy off health inspectors. The bar girls are covered by their bars who will pay off health inspectors. So bar girls will do risky behavior and don't give a shit about hygiene since the bars cover their asses.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691207]Rambo,
One of the hottest and most popular girls in HK said she made $500 for the best night, that computes to 3 to 5 sessions a night max, going arriba pretty much back to back for the whole shift. She's so pretty lots of guys wine and dine her, give her extra money and gifts. She BBs a couple guys whom I know. The average HK girls probably bag 1 sessions every 2 days as a median.
Putas have to test every month clean of any STIs to be able to sell sex. It's illegal, unethical and offensive to have sex and pass on diseases. If restaurants sell rotten food, they may go to prison. The healthy vaginas have no odor. I would skip any girls with stinky pussy. To avoid getting ambushed in the room with big, stinky pussies blowing up in the face, guys should ask the putas for guarantee of nice, clean, healthy, unsmelly, uninfected pussies before heading upstairs. Any indications of smelly or infected pussies will void the offer. Will have this delicate question translated to the King's Spanish soon.
No girls in the civilized countries would fuck guys with smelly, infected or bleeding pussies, or even any foul body odor. Putas in the Latin world should maintain much better care of their health and hygiene if they want to move up in the business.[/QUOTE]I was there the other day just people watching. Saw one of my previous favorites (she's definitely among the hotter ones and knows where to position herself in the club for maximum exposure). I literally saw her go arriba 5 times in just 3 hours. Pretty sure by the end of her shift she probably got violated by a dozen or so men. So yes, HK girls do fuck dozens of guys a night.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691694]Cocr,
Street girls in Tijuana fuck guys far more often than bar girls, may be 3 x to 5 x more often, but they don't have stinky pussies. The ones I know in Tijuana over 20 years have been smelling nice and clean; no stinky pussies on the street.
I think street girls have respect for clients; bar girls think they are so hot they don't give a shit about clients and don't care to keep themselves clean.
If I find any girl with stinky pussy or bad body odor I will make sure she understands my disgust, and I will not come near her again. I also spread the words so nobody fucks her or gives her any money.[/QUOTE]Wait, how old are those street girls if they have been working for over 20 years?
I experienced two of my street girl regulars get stinky P.
One of them was Fannie. The stinky odor went away the next time I saw her a few months later.
I told them both to get checked by a doctor.
I am convinced stinky P is caused by infection that is resolved with medication.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691694]Cocr,
Street girls in Tijuana fuck guys far more often than bar girls, may be 3 x to 5 x more often, but they don't have stinky pussies. The ones I know in Tijuana over 20 years have been smelling nice and clean; no stinky pussies on the street.
I think street girls have respect for clients; bar girls think they are so hot they don't give a shit about clients and don't care to keep themselves clean.
If I find any girl with stinky pussy or bad body odor I will make sure she understands my disgust, and I will not come near her again. I also spread the words so nobody fucks her or gives her any money.[/QUOTE]
An explanation from a gynecologist buddy of mine who knows my mongering lifestyle. Actually loves hearing my recent trips so he can live through my eyes; as his family & professional life can't fathom doing what I do, LOL.
Most likely cause is use of lubricant, the latex condoms & not thoroughly washing out area after sex. Says not all women will have the odor, but all bodies not created equal. Some will have a reaction to maybe ingredients like glycerin in the lube whether it's self applied lube or more likely the pre-lubricated condoms. Some it's a reaction to the latex. Either can cause a reaction where yeast or bacteria results. Then if not cleaned properly will harvest an odor in as little as several hours.
He said most girls if they thoroughly washed with soap after each session, shouldn't have an odor. If she does vigorously wash & still has odor, most likely vaginosis. Not an STI but where her vaginal bacterial balance is thrown off because too much bad bacteria exists & is overriding the good. Finally, STI does come into play for odor but if they are truly performing authentic, professional testings on regular basis that should be ruled out.
So simply just a matter of hygiene in most cases. Just like not brushing your teeth, using deodorant & not wiping your ass thoroughly. Her vag will stink too if not washed after monger sex!
For the record in my experiences at HK I've only had a couple stinky ones but majority no problems at all & most of them did jump in the shower after session. Now, most my targets are in the 18-24 age range & I'd draw a personal conclusion that the younger ones - vanity & cleanliness is a thing to them, my opinion.
Happy Hunting!
GT.
Green Thumb.
It's good to have a trained professional provide reliable information about this problem.
It confirms my suspicion that dead fish pussy syndrome is preventable, but putas are just lazy and don't care to keep themselves clean. They are ghetto and disgusting. This beautiful girl Adres was smiling when I complained about her terrible pussy's stink. She suggested I take a shower but she just wiped off her pussy with toilet paper and was ready to hook more guys.
Not sure if the over head shower can really clean the pussies. It may ruin the girls' hair and make up, so they are reluctant to use it. A few girls do shower. Suki always showers before and after the session. She keeps a plastic bonnet in her purse to protect her hair. Some girl just hop on top of the sink, pee in it then splash water in their crotches, damn ghetto but it works better than the shower. Hand-held wands would be very helpful but I have never seen one in any fuck hotels in Tijuana. Hotels in Japan and Taiwan have bidets or water wands for clients to wash their butt and pussies. Hotels in Panama and Malaysia have water wands instead of toilet paper. The girls would sit on the toilets and spray water in their pussies for a long time. The $5 water wand added to the toilet has been suggested for putas hotels in Tijuana for the last 20 years, but nothing happened. Putas just don't care about hygiene, so they never pushed for it.
When you can convince you OBGYN friend to do boots on the ground research about female hygiene treatments in Tijuana, I would be happy to assist him, even buy him a few Tequila shots to help him do exceptional work.
Rambo,
Tall, slim, light skin Fannie stands at the alley corner in front of bar Coahuila?
Lots of information on vaginas' odor are posted by female healthcare professionals, making excuses for and elevate the pussies to high pedestals, not scientific or objective.
GreenThumb had his male OBGYN friend provide some balanced info. The main causes of odors are interaction between the vagina's fluid with condoms' lubricants and male's ejaculation, combined with lack of proper cleaning by females. It can also be infection of certain odorous bacteria, Vaginosis, or discharged dead cells of cervix cancer, which smell like dead, rotten human flesh.
A few seconds of pleasure is just not worth having rotten, stinky pussies blowing up in your face.
[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2692583]I'm heading out there this week. After the traumatizing experience I had last time, I will take your advice and call them out on it if they have a smelly V. Won't put up with BS on this trip. I will also require them to shower before and thoroughly clean their holes with soap.[/QUOTE]Have them chicas use some beach too, those holes need to be disinfected! Seriously though I do find stinky vags disgusting. I had a girl I knew from HK named Iran. One time her pussy stank but it was from her being on the rag, non fishy but still stinky. I politely told her to go take a good shower and I would after. It seemed to solve the issue and I returned to enjoying her vagina. Don't be afraid to call the chicas out on it if they take offense fuck it there are more chicas always.
Caliguy33.
After being assaulted with a stinky pussy, I would get disgusted and turned off of sex and girls for a month or more. It's business transactions with the girls, not love affairs. A hot Tropical girl stuck a finger in her vagina, smelled it to confirm and brought it to my nose for approval.
So I would ask them straight out after agreeing on prices, services and terms:
Does your vagina smell stinky? ¿Tu vagina huele mal?
Is your vagina infected? ¿Tu vagina está infectada?
I will not have sex with girls with stinky or infected vagina. No tendré sexo con chicas con vagina apestosa o infectada.
If your vagina smells stinky in the room I will not pay you. Si tu vagina huele mal en la habitación, no te pagaré.
I have sexo with over 20 different girls from the Zona every year going on 5 years now. Never had a stinky pussy. You all are far too nice in the club. I would have noticed a stinky pussy during the drink interview. I could see this happening in the street but no idea what you all doing in the clubs to not catch this until you go up into the room. You all must be looking for nice girls. Find the sluts in the bar man.
[QUOTE=Hadez;2692691]I have sexo with over 20 different girls from the Zona every year going on 5 years now. Never had a stinky pussy. You all are far too nice in the club. I would have noticed a stinky pussy during the drink interview. I could see this happening in the street but no idea what you all doing in the clubs to not catch this until you go up into the room. You all must be looking for nice girls. Find the sluts in the bar man.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have lost your sense of smell?
Just curious. I imagine a ton of HK girls eventually get cervical cancer from getting fucked by so may men over their HK career. Condoms don't protect against HPV so they got to be getting tons of cervical cancer given the huge number of dudes they get fucked by. Am I wrong? Just curious.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2692748]Just curious. I imagine a ton of HK girls eventually get cervical cancer from getting fucked by so may men over their HK career. Condoms don't protect against HPV so they got to be getting tons of cervical cancer given the huge number of dudes they get fucked by. Am I wrong? Just curious.[/QUOTE]Condoms are effective against HPV.
Am I the only one who finds this ongoing discussion of "stinky pussies" off-putting? LOL. Am wondering if we can stick to the topic of Hong Kong and maybe have that discussion moved elsewhere? Fully understand that I'm not any kind of discussion moderator here but really have no desire to read through that stuff. Though will add that I personally have never noticed a problem with smelly pussies in HK or any other Zona Norte clubs (though I'm not making much of an effort to smell their pussies honestly).
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2692748]Just curious. I imagine a ton of HK girls eventually get cervical cancer from getting fucked by so may men over their HK career. Condoms don't protect against HPV so they got to be getting tons of cervical cancer given the huge number of dudes they get fucked by. Am I wrong? Just curious.[/QUOTE]There was a HPV vaccine released for the cancer causing variants in 2006. When it comes to vaccines, Mexico tends to mirror the US. So I assume by 2010 it was standard for the youth (it can be administered to both males and females). It might be a risk for the older generation in their 30s, but I'm assuming most of chicks in their 20s are in the clear.
[QUOTE=BrotherMouzone;2692897]Am I the only one who finds this ongoing discussion of "stinky pussies" off-putting? LOL. Am wondering if we can stick to the topic of Hong Kong and maybe have that discussion moved elsewhere? Fully understand that I'm not any kind of discussion moderator here but really have no desire to read through that stuff. Though will add that I personally have never noticed a problem with smelly pussies in HK or any other Zona Norte clubs (though I'm not making much of an effort to smell their pussies honestly).[/QUOTE]I guess you were not here when I started the conversation about where the chicas put toilet paper in the trashcans after wiping themselves instead of flushing it like we do here North of the border.
Hate to break this to you guys. But it is what it is.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-lead-impotence-120216364.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2693696]I guess you were not here when I started the conversation about where the chicas put toilet paper in the trashcans after wiping themselves instead of flushing it like we do here North of the border.[/QUOTE]Most Mexicans do this. It's not unusual at all. Mexico's plumbing and sewer infrastructure is so poor, in so many places, that TP clogs up the pipes.
HK used to give VIPs vouchers for free lap dances. Not sure how much the girls get paid out of those vouchers.
I took the girls into the cubicle, stuck my finger into their pussies, or parked my face in their crotches to detect odors, got a couple good sessions with really nice, clean, sexy spinners.
One night I took spinner Zulma for the lap dance, verified with fingers in the dark cubicle that she had no stinks. She agreed to 1,000 pesos so we went up to the hotel.
She was fun and playful, looked good and sexy, insisted on money first; I had to pay her. The foreplay went well. Everything was good and sexy until I got on top and penetrated her deep and hard. Her pussy started oozing fluids along with the extremely stinky odors of dead human flesh. The whole room stank like shit. I had to stop the session, pulled out, took a shower, turned on the ventilation fan. I got pretty pissed off, told her so and asked her to leave. She had the balls to ask for a propina.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2693966]Hate to break this to you guys. But it is what it is.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-lead-impotence-120216364.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Never had whisky dick, knocks wood, but if I ever do, I'll have this in my back pocket.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2693966]Hate to break this to you guys. But it is what it is.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-lead-impotence-120216364.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]I luckily did have this issue, when I was pretty much recovered form my about of Covid I had sex with one of my favs, I popped so hard I squirted on her face when I pulled out bareback. I fell sorry for these unlucky bastards.
Guys, today I went to a spa in the evening and was getting a handjob from therapist it's was a bit rough and lasted for 30 minutes and there's was no oil used on reaching home I see my dick foreskin is swollen but the dick is OK I will plan doctors visit tomorrow, can someone tell me what it is will upload a pic.
[QUOTE=LonelyMonger30;2694386]Guys, today I went to a spa in the evening and was getting a handjob from therapist it's was a bit rough and lasted for 30 minutes and there's was no oil used on reaching home I see my dick foreskin is swollen but the dick is OK I will plan doctors visit tomorrow, can someone tell me what it is will upload a pic.[/QUOTE]An acute case of smallcox?
[QUOTE=LonelyMonger30;2694386]Guys, today I went to a spa in the evening and was getting a handjob from therapist it's was a bit rough and lasted for 30 minutes and there's was no oil used on reaching home I see my dick foreskin is swollen but the dick is OK I will plan doctors visit tomorrow, can someone tell me what it is will upload a pic.[/QUOTE]For real? I've seen a lot shit online but never someone showing their dick.
[QUOTE=LonelyMonger30;2694386]Guys, today I went to a spa in the evening and was getting a handjob from therapist it's was a bit rough and lasted for 30 minutes and there's was no oil used on reaching home I see my dick foreskin is swollen but the dick is OK I will plan doctors visit tomorrow, can someone tell me what it is will upload a pic.[/QUOTE]Just get a plastic ziplock bag with ice and ice down your penis. The gal gave you a rug burn on your dick. Next time bring your own lube.
It may fall off in a week. Who know?
He needs proof of something he once had, in case Tinder girls ask for pic.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2695840]It may fall off in a week. Who know?
He needs proof of something he once had, in case Tinder girls ask for pic.[/QUOTE]EL Captain I wonder if his dick fell off LOL?? Guys always bring our own condoms and lube for your sexual escapades, and don't be like dick pic boy. He learned the "hard" way LOL. Poor monger.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2694284]I luckily did have this issue, when I was pretty much recovered form my about of Covid I had sex with one of my favs, I popped so hard I squirted on her face when I pulled out bareback. I fell sorry for these unlucky bastards.[/QUOTE]What I meant to say is that I don't have this issue just fat fingers. I do admit Covid sucked ass for me, I was in the hospital 7 days and felt like total shit. Glad I survived it. I am off censorship soon so I hope the Admin will trust me again to make post sand the ability to correct them without review. I learned my lesson.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2691694]Cocr,
Street girls in Tijuana fuck guys far more often than bar girls, may be 3 x to 5 x more often, but they don't have stinky pussies. The ones I know in Tijuana over 20 years have been smelling nice and clean; no stinky pussies on the street.
I think street girls have respect for clients; bar girls think they are so hot they don't give a shit about clients and don't care to keep themselves clean.
If I find any girl with stinky pussy or bad body odor I will make sure she understands my disgust, and I will not come near her again. I also spread the words so nobody fucks her or gives her any money.[/QUOTE]Maybe it as all about the cums not cleaned out of the vaginas. Would you say bar girls are more likely to BB versus SGs? If true then explains why SGs less occurrences of stinky vay vays!
I heard on Friday about Madonna's recent photos of her vay vay that she posted. A 63 year old vay vay LOL.
[QUOTE=LonelyMonger30;2694386]Guys, today I went to a spa in the evening and was getting a handjob from therapist it's was a bit rough and lasted for 30 minutes and there's was no oil used on reaching home I see my dick foreskin is swollen but the dick is OK I will plan doctors visit tomorrow, can someone tell me what it is will upload a pic.[/QUOTE]I thought that was a pig in a blanket left over from a bad party LOL. Don't ever post a prick pic again. And washing that thing from time to time wouldn't be such a bad idea either. Holy mother of God.
Any reports of Monkey pox in Tijuana / Zona Norte / HK?
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2729110]Any reports of Monkey pox in Tijuana / Zona Norte / HK?[/QUOTE]Don't believe all the hype you see on US news. I have yet to see it mentioned in the Tijuana papers except to mention that San Diego declared I a state of emergency.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2729110]Any reports of Monkey pox in Tijuana / Zona Norte / HK?[/QUOTE]There are tons of monkeys in Tijuana, they call themselves police officers!
If you go there seeking gays, you might encounter the virus.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2729110]Any reports of Monkey pox in Tijuana / Zona Norte / HK?[/QUOTE]Well we jinxed it. Report in the paper that they have 4 cases. Couple of guys in Tijuana. Both had travelled to other areas also a guy in Ensenada. They don't mention anything about them being gay but since they are all males I know what I'd bet.
[QUOTE=Sol12;2729410]Don't believe all the hype you see on US news. I have yet to see it mentioned in the Tijuana papers except to mention that San Diego declared I a state of emergency.[/QUOTE]Love pussy just worried about idiots who go both ways. Looks like chicas are as fuckable as ever.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2729785]Love pussy just worried about idiots who go both ways. Looks like chicas are as fuckable as ever.[/QUOTE]San Diego declares a state of emergency for monkey pox?? LOL too many peter puffers in Socal I guess. I love Cali, just can't stand the local and state government there, too many idiots voted in that need to be replaced by sensible logical people.
A dog in Paris has caught monkeypox after sharing the bed with its gay owners who were infected with the disease. The two Parisians developed symptoms at the beginning of June before they developed the lesions showing a monkeypox infection. The two men aged 44 and 27, who live together in a non-monogamous relationship, developed sores a week after having sex with other men. . Their Italian greyhound had also developed ulcerations and pustules. . . . A PCR test confirmed the canine had also come down with monkeypox, confirming the first case of a domestic pet contracting the virus. Further genetic sequencing showed the strain of the disease was an identical match with the disease that had infected its owners. The 44-year-old, a Latino, lived with HIV. According to The Lancet Journal. Was in a 'non-exclusive' relationship with his partner. . . ".
Daily Mail.
8. 14.2022.
Tom Brown.
Comments: Make that a 'Gayhound'. LOL.
As I have posted many times, the real danger of Monkeypox is that it gets transferred from humans to animals. This would enable Monkeypox to become endemic in populations of wild animals outside of a few countries in western sub-saharan Africa. The disease may be infecting an unpopular sub-population in western countries, but the danger remains. Transmission among "gay" men may be the most prevalent mode of transmission now, but there is no guarantee this will always be the case. What it does it to widely distribute the virus where it then can have many opportunities to be transmitted to domestic and eventually wild animals.
I'm glad this case has been found and documented. It means that the Monkeypox variants being transmitted in the MSM "community" still have the ability to infect animals and potentially create animal reservoirs where it can't be controlled in new parts of the world. This disease needs to be stopped now, before it becomes endemic outside of some areas of Africa.
Wonder if the dog got AIDS from the 44 year old gay man. . .
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2731687]San Diego declares a state of emergency for monkey pox?? LOL too many peter puffers in Socal I guess. I love Cali, just can't stand the local and state government there, too many idiots voted in that need to be replaced by sensible logical people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2734543]Raid! HK was raided Saturday night by cops with SWAT looking guys acting as security in the front carrying M4 a1's. Odd that they were wearing ski masks to protect their identity and wearing tacticool gear. I was expecting an exciting take down of a dangerous Narco.
But it turned out that they were doing a surprise check for underaged girls. At least that was what I was told when I asked a couple of waiters. That is a lot of firepower to check IDs so you can come to your own conclusions to was why cops were making a visit to HK on a Saturday night since Sunday is their traditional bust day.[/QUOTE]According to today's paper the cops began the raids on Friday and I'd imagine into Saturday as well. They were looking for girls working without health cards which is pretty normal in the Zona but yes they do seem to be more armed than necessary. In the times I've been in the bar when this happens the girls quickly try to run out the back area of the club at least in AB. The raid in Friday said that they found 27 girls working without proper cards or not up to date. It wasn't clear if it was those working on the street or in clubs, just mentioned that they visited various clubs, so maybe they came back on Saturday thinking that the girls would think the coast was clear since they came the night before. I know AB to be less strict on the health card so maybe they got hit the worse. In general the health card is a joke. The girls know ways to get around it or pay someone to give them a clean bill. The whole time with my ex she never had to visit a health clinic to work and of all the girls I would hang out with I only took 1 to the health clinic for he check up.
I also never heard of Sunday being a special day to do raids. Would be interested as to where you heard this or what experience you had. Sundays are the main day that I visit and I can't remember the last time I have seen a raid.
In general the health card is a joke. The girls know ways to get around it or pay someone to give them a clean bill. The whole time with my ex she never had to visit a health clinic to work and of all the girls I would hang out with I only took 1 to the health clinic for he check up.
Can anybody else confirm that the health cards are a joke?
So in today's paper Tijuana officials stated that the reason for the raids was an out break of Gonorrhea that began in the beginning of August. They said 150 sex workers have been removed but again no specific details on if those are from the street or clubs. It would be interesting to see if San Diego public health has also noticed a jump in Gonorrhea cases. Unfortunately this shows how fast these viruses can spread and as pointed out that getting tested only once a month if at all will do little to stop an outbreak.
Hopefully all of you have been careful and at least this is treatable.
Time to get your willies checked, fellas.
"Tilte: After an outbreak of gonorrhea, 150 sex workers are withdrawn in Tijuana:
Tijuana, BC. - Derived from an outbreak of gonorrhea infections, the City Council began to carry out operations in the North and Center Zones of the city where just this past weekend 27 sex workers were removed due to lack of a health card.
Jorge Salazar Miramontes, Secretary General of the municipal government indicated that the first infection occurred during the first days of August, so after carrying out an intense operation, to date 150 sex workers have been withdrawn from the northern part of the city."
Source, in Spanish: [URL]https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/Tras-brote-de-gonorrea-retiran-a-150-sexoservidoras-en-Tijuana-20220822-0009.html[/URL].
[QUOTE=Sol12;2734744]Sorry to burst your bubble but I think this has been discussed before. For one like was just mentioned even if the girl is clean she could catch something the next day and not know until another month. I think we all know the risks we take with this hobby and would recommend to all that visit Tijuana to be as safe as possible and use protection. Another thing about the health card being a joke is if you asked a girl to see her card who would even know what t look for and be able to catch if it is even real. That trust has to be put on the club they work at and I'm sure many could care less.
With this recent raid and girls that were found to be working without the proper health card they should let it be known what bars each girl worked at so we as customers know what clubs are more concerned about the health of the workers and clients. They could even set up a rating system like they do with restaurants in the US. LOL.[/QUOTE]Health cards are meaningless when the HK chica is pounded by multiple men everyday. It's a risk you got to accept when you want to play this game.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2735046]Time to get your willies checked, fellas.
"Tilte: After an outbreak of gonorrhea, 150 sex workers are withdrawn in Tijuana:
Tijuana, BC. - Derived from an outbreak of gonorrhea infections, the City Council began to carry out operations in the North and Center Zones of the city where just this past weekend 27 sex workers were removed due to lack of a health card.
Jorge Salazar Miramontes, Secretary General of the municipal government indicated that the first infection occurred during the first days of August, so after carrying out an intense operation, to date 150 sex workers have been withdrawn from the northern part of the city."
Source, in Spanish: [URL]https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/Tras-brote-de-gonorrea-retiran-a-150-sexoservidoras-en-Tijuana-20220822-0009.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Fuck. 2 of my favorites did not work this weekend because both lost their identification papers. What a strange coincidence I was just thinking.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2735046]Time to get your willies checked, fellas.
"Tilte: After an outbreak of gonorrhea, 150 sex workers are withdrawn in Tijuana:
Tijuana, BC. - Derived from an outbreak of gonorrhea infections, the City Council began to carry out operations in the North and Center Zones of the city where just this past weekend 27 sex workers were removed due to lack of a health card.
Jorge Salazar Miramontes, Secretary General of the municipal government indicated that the first infection occurred during the first days of August, so after carrying out an intense operation, to date 150 sex workers have been withdrawn from the northern part of the city."
Source, in Spanish: [URL]https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/Tras-brote-de-gonorrea-retiran-a-150-sexoservidoras-en-Tijuana-20220822-0009.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter if the girls have up to date health cards. When these girls in the clubs are being pounded by multiple men each day, having a monthly health card is absolutely meaningless. Mongering is fun but it's definitely a risky game we play. Like Russian roulette. Eventually you can get burned.
Very true. But it's really bad when city officials feel it necessary to step in and take actions that will hinder business and cash flow.
I didn't know STD clinics were reporting positive test results to gov officials. Learn something new every day.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2735067]It doesn't matter if the girls have up to date health cards. When these girls in the clubs are being pounded by multiple men each day, having a monthly health card is absolutely meaningless. Mongering is fun but it's definitely a risky game we play. Like Russian roulette. Eventually you can get burned.[/QUOTE]
You guys aren't going to allow a little gonorrhea outbreak deter you, are you?
We got Covid.
We got Monkey Pox blisters.
We got cartels declaring war on the police and lighting cars on fire.
What's a little gonorrhea compared to what we went through this year?
[QUOTE=Sol12;2735035]So in today's paper Tijuana officials stated that the reason for the raids was an out break of Gonorrhea that began in the beginning of August. They said 150 sex workers have been removed but again no specific details on if those are from the street or clubs. It would be interesting to see if San Diego public health has also noticed a jump in Gonorrhea cases. Unfortunately this shows how fast these viruses can spread and as pointed out that getting tested only once a month if at all will do little to stop an outbreak.
Hopefully all of you have been careful and at least this is treatable.[/QUOTE]Of there is a gonorrhea outbreak I wouldn't be surprised if there is also man HIV outbreak too that just hasn't been detected yet because it take 3 months to test positive for HIV as opposed to just a few days for gonorrhea. Be safe guys.
Outbreak could've happened for many reasons. 150 girls is a lot of chicas with gonorrhea. I highly doubt 150 women in the club are doing bareback. The more plausible reason is maybe the clubs condoms aren't effective which is scary for all of us.
[QUOTE=Azfriole;2734677]I was in the club as it happened, just the health inspectors checking for chicas having their up to date health card, with a police escort. The hiding of one's identity seems pretty common in Mexico.[/QUOTE]I was there too. To say it was a "raid" is a bit of an overstatement. The only ones running around were the chicas. LOL Noteworthy, I was in VIP with 2 girls when the "raid" happened. One I've known for quite some time and the other a friend of hers that started HK just a few days ago. The friend did not have her health card and was sent packing.
As for the cards being a joke, I would say no gringo should put any reliable assumptions behind them. It's Mexico. Anything can be bought. The girls that I know well did follow the process. But many do not. And as many others pointed out: how many guys are they with in a 1-month span?
One interesting thing I did learn. This girl will be fined and could be arrested. The club is also subject to fines because it is their responsibility to verify them. I've known many girls that haven't been allowed to work because their 30 days lapsed. But obviously, some slip through the cracks. This friend I was with. She never had a card. So that one might be tougher for HK to explain, if it even matters.
Another interesting thing I found out. I ended up talking to a driver for HK. Apparently, he picks up a lot of girls from the Tijuana airport and shuttles them to Cascadas. He was frustrated. He told me some girls turned around and flew back home, not wanting to take the job. (So a wasted trip for him.) But he said HK was having challenges recruiting girls now. I don't know this guy at all. But he was showing me his paperwork. He might have been telling the truth, for what it matters.
[QUOTE=Sol12;2734739]Well in all my years in visiting Tijuana I have never gone with a street girl or had a desire to. From what I have heard and read is that most go to their particular motel and some will go to others motels. Now the ID that you mentioned is that their normal ID that they didn't have or does Cascada actually ask to see the girls health card? If they actually ask for a girls health card HK and Cascadas might actually be stricter with girls being current on the health card. I know it was mentioned by Jackie that a girl said she had to pay $100 for paper work and tests to work at HK. $100 seemed high but HK might have particular DR that they trust to make sure the girls are clean since an STD being spread around the club wouldn't be good for business.[/QUOTE]I thought they all go to the same pink building on the end of street before entering the Zona. They get STD education from that location as well. Not sure they pay $100, but know the tests are like 500 pesos, unless it was a full panel test. I've seen the ticket. Not sure what they are exactly looking for, but USA A full panel is like $200-$300.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2735364]Of there is a gonorrhea outbreak I wouldn't be surprised if there is also man HIV outbreak too that just hasn't been detected yet because it take 3 months to test positive for HIV as opposed to just a few days for gonorrhea. Be safe guys.
Outbreak could've happened for many reasons. 150 girls is a lot of chicas with gonorrhea. I highly doubt 150 women in the club are doing bareback. The more plausible reason is maybe the clubs condoms aren't effective which is scary for all of us.[/QUOTE]Gonorrhea sucks but at least you can cure it with a course of antibiotics like Doxycycline but HIV. That's a lifetime of sucking you can take Prevent I think that the name of of antiviral med that help protect you as well bur expensive. Yes they also have the drugs you can take for HIV but that's a daily dose for the rest of your life. It too can be costly. Best way is to wrap it up in a condom you like. You can also take your chances, it is up to you at the end of the day.
With STD and Monkeypox, I would like to avoid The Clubs. I don't want to take a motel for 2 hour Daytime trip. Are there any Higher end reputable places for Incall or houses hosting Girls?
Like Brazilian Termas or FKK, Places in Costa Rica for daytime action.
If there is a gonorrhea outbreak I wouldn't be surprised if there is also man HIV outbreak too that just hasn't been detected yet because it take 3 months to test positive for HIV as opposed to just a few days for gonorrhea. Be safe guys.
Outbreak could've happened for many reasons. 150 girls is a lot of chicas with gonorrhea. I highly doubt 150 women in the club are doing bareback. The more plausible reason is maybe the clubs condoms aren't effective which is scary for all of us.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2735364]Of there is a gonorrhea outbreak I wouldn't be surprised if there is also man HIV outbreak too that just hasn't been detected yet because it take 3 months to test positive for HIV as opposed to just a few days for gonorrhea. Be safe guys.
Outbreak could've happened for many reasons. 150 girls is a lot of chicas with gonorrhea. I highly doubt 150 women in the club are doing bareback. The more plausible reason is maybe the clubs condoms aren't effective which is scary for all of us.[/QUOTE]About a month ago they had an article in the Tijuana paper about how many people are living in Tijuana with HIV. I forget the number since I didn't read the article because it wasn't about sex workers. I think HIV has become less of a scare with so many living with I now but definitely not something any of us would want. I disagree with your opinion on an HIV breakout but we are all entitled to our own opinions.
Also the article says that 150 girls were removed for basically not having the proper health cards or being up to date. They didn't go thru the whole zone to check for gonorrhea. Also as I have been stating is the don't say if it's girls in clubs or street or both. Also some clubs are less strict about girls having to work with a health card. The city should be more transparent in this matter or the journalists need to do a better job of reporting.
[QUOTE=SomeDude321;2735046]Time to get your willies checked, fellas.
"Tilte: After an outbreak of gonorrhea, 150 sex workers are withdrawn in Tijuana:
Tijuana, BC. - Derived from an outbreak of gonorrhea infections, the City Council began to carry out operations in the North and Center Zones of the city where just this past weekend 27 sex workers were removed due to lack of a health card.
Jorge Salazar Miramontes, Secretary General of the municipal government indicated that the first infection occurred during the first days of August, so after carrying out an intense operation, to date 150 sex workers have been withdrawn from the northern part of the city."
Source, in Spanish: [URL]https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/Tras-brote-de-gonorrea-retiran-a-150-sexoservidoras-en-Tijuana-20220822-0009.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Man I should have bought some stock in companies that make Doxycycline lololol!
[QUOTE=Jayagopal50;2735518]With STD and Monkeypox, I would like to avoid The Clubs. I don't want to take a motel for 2 hour Daytime trip. Are there any Higher end reputable places for Incall or houses hosting Girls?
Like Brazilian Termas or FKK, Places in Costa Rica for daytime action.[/QUOTE]I have been to all the places you mention, FKK's being my all time favorites. They are like Disneylands' ride, It's a Small World. Women from everywhere except oddly never met an American working them. Would love to find a Casa de Puta in Tijuana but in the many decades I've been visiting I have never heard of one nor in the many years of RTFF have seen one mentioned. That said the agency's are pretty reliable but YMMV is the truth. Will be down in Tijuana late next week.
[QUOTE=BunterHiden;2735726]I have been to all the places you mention, FKK's being my all time favorites. They are like Disneylands' ride, It's a Small World. Women from everywhere except oddly never met an American working them. Would love to find a Casa de Puta in Tijuana but in the many decades I've been visiting I have never heard of one nor in the many years of RTFF have seen one mentioned. That said the agency's are pretty reliable but YMMV is the truth. Will be down in Tijuana late next week.[/QUOTE]There are a few. Basically, the incall or depa ads on Mileroticos and the like that state the location as 5 y10 or Las Brisas are casas. You go and pick among the chicas available onsite at that time.
Years ago, there was a casa across from Ticuan. When you went in, they did a line up of chicas and you picked one. This is the only casa I remember seeing in Tijuana.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2735840]There are a few. Basically, the incall or depa ads on Mileroticos and the like that state the location as 5 y10 or Las Brisas are casas. You go and pick among the chicas available onsite at that time.[/QUOTE]
If you want to go to casas, ask the cabbies to take you to a few. Find a cabbie who looks trustworthy and record his name and cab number for security.
A few years back a cabbie took us to a house in La Playa. We sat in a sparse living room while they rounded up girls in the neighborhood.
In 15 minutes they assembled 8 girls in their Sunday dresses, standing in the room for selection. They all looked 18, 19, homely without make up, some were a little thick, not glammy like HK girls but nice, clean, more attractive than most escorts and Adelita's girls. They looked like neighborhood girls wanting to make money.
Local bros should know a few casas. Ask around.
Its called okamoto 001.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2735487]Gonorrhea sucks but at least you can cure it with a course of antibiotics like Doxycycline but HIV. That's a lifetime of sucking you can take Prevent I think that the name of of antiviral med that help protect you as well bur expensive. Yes they also have the drugs you can take for HIV but that's a daily dose for the rest of your life. It too can be costly. Best way is to wrap it up in a condom you like. You can also take your chances, it is up to you at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]I met a bro in Costa Rica in 2015 who barebacked a nurse in JAX, FL and came down with this almost untreatable case of the clap. It took multiple rounds of antibiotics and his Dr. Was surprised he finally got rid of it. Although chance is slim the little extra please for me anyways not worth. I just happy to have hot womans and sexy times, not trying to maximize little head pleasure.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2736587]I met a bro in Costa Rica in 2015 who barebacked a nurse in JAX, FL and came down with this almost untreatable case of the clap. It took multiple rounds of antibiotics and his Dr. Was surprised he finally got rid of it. Although chance is slim the little extra please for me anyways not worth. I just happy to have hot womans and sexy times, not trying to maximize little head pleasure.[/QUOTE]You are hereby officially expelled from the ass-licking / BBFS club. Hand in your STD card buddy.
Time to pull out an old trick taught to me by an old trick. Female condoms. Done properly it's really hard to tell the difference. First, you got to find one. They sell them on line but some of us don't want showing up in the mailbox. So you take what is basically a condom the size of a beer can and put the bag in the box. Squirt a bit of lube in prior. Slid in and the lube come to body temperature fast. It's hard to tell the difference and you control the lube. Not like APM's where they sometimes will fill themselves with a pint of the stuff. Also excellent technique for anal. Many a lady I have talked into taking there berry. Maybe it turns out are afraid of an exit accident but this solves that problem. Put just a touch of lube on the outside so you can get it in and use your tool to bottom it out. At least I hope most our tools are longer than a middle finger LOL. Added bonus of no shit stick at the end. You are welcome in advance.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2736065]If you want to go to casas, ask the cabbies to take you to a few. Find a cabbie who looks trustworthy and record his name and cab number for security.
A few years back a cabbie took us to a house in La Playa. We sat in a sparse living room while they rounded up girls in the neighborhood.
In 15 minutes they assembled 8 girls in their Sunday dresses, standing in the room for selection. They all looked 18, 19, homely without make up, some were a little thick, not glammy like HK girls but nice, clean, more attractive than most escorts and Adelita's girls. They looked like neighborhood girls wanting to make money.
Local bros should know a few casas. Ask around.[/QUOTE]LOL I can't think of a quicker way to get buried in the mexixo desert and joining the millions of missing people. Of course after they get some ransom money. Really bad idea.
Doger,
You are too easily scared.
Thousands people take rides in taxis without being kidnapped or buried. What makes you think they want to kidnap and bury you in the desert?
Unless you screw the cartel or owe them big money, the probability of being kidnapped or robbed by a random cabbie is a lot lower than getting run over by a taxi on the streets.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2736587]I met a bro in Costa Rica in 2015 who barebacked a nurse in JAX, FL and came down with this almost untreatable case of the clap. It took multiple rounds of antibiotics and his Dr. Was surprised he finally got rid of it. Although chance is slim the little extra please for me anyways not worth. I just happy to have hot womans and sexy times, not trying to maximize little head pleasure.[/QUOTE]Yah I came down with painful urination a few times from BBing sex workers. One gal I think infected me like 2 times after that I never talked to her anymore except to inform her that she is dirty. I now use a condom everytime. Only time I didn't is with my girlfriend after we both got tested.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2738266]Yah I came down with painful urination a few times from BBing sex workers. [/QUOTE]Back in summer camp there was a girl who was emotionally disturbed offering bareback to almost anyone. She was running a train in her cabin. By the time I got in on the action she was already done but I managed to salvage a nut. Next day I was pissing razor blades had to get on Tetracycline which turned my piss orange. They called it VD back then. Don't know if it still exists but that was one of the most uncomfortable experiences EVER.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2737426]Doger,
You are too easily scared.
Thousands people take rides in taxis without being kidnapped or buried. What makes you think they want to kidnap and bury you in the desert?
Unless you screw the cartel or owe them big money, the probability of being kidnapped or robbed by a random cabbie is a lot lower than getting run over by a taxi on the streets.[/QUOTE]It's not the taxi guys it's the people and neighborhoods you will be ending up in, in this scenario.
[QUOTE=BunterHiden;2736926]Time to pull out an old trick taught to me by an old trick. Female condoms. Done properly it's really hard to tell the difference. First, you got to find one. They sell them on line but some of us don't want showing up in the mailbox. So you take what is basically a condom the size of a beer can and put the bag in the box. Squirt a bit of lube in prior. Slid in and the lube come to body temperature fast. It's hard to tell the difference and you control the lube. Not like APM's where they sometimes will fill themselves with a pint of the stuff. Also excellent technique for anal. Many a lady I have talked into taking there berry. Maybe it turns out are afraid of an exit accident but this solves that problem. Put just a touch of lube on the outside so you can get it in and use your tool to bottom it out. At least I hope most our tools are longer than a middle finger LOL. Added bonus of no shit stick at the end. You are welcome in advance.[/QUOTE]This is the kind of stuff we mongers need to educate ourselves about. I have not done a lot of bareback since mostly my life sexual encounters are ALL P4 P (by my choosing). So few times I barebacked were when I was younger and after a couple time scared of impregnating a woman so I have always use condoms since. And today they have a lot of reliable thin thin condoms that to me anyways can't tell the difference. AND most importantly don't have to worry so much about getting an STD and especially those that are now resistant to common antibiotics. Imagine razor feeling for rest of you life and can't get rid of it? Happened to someone I knew in 2013. Finally after many many rounds of antibiotics it finally killed his clap. And he didn't BB a working girl was some slutty nurse.
STDs are like a crazy game of bareback roulette. We all know the guys who play all the time on the most used tables and get nothing. I know a couple guys who played only a small number of times on the high end tables and got lifelong "winnings".
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/default.htm[/URL] This will make you not want to have sex with anyone LOL. Enjoy it they got a nice video explaining this. Maybe you all better use cobdoms, prevelant in the USA now.
[QUOTE=Hadez;2742219]STDs are like a crazy game of bareback roulette. We all know the guys who play all the time on the most used tables and get nothing. I know a couple guys who played only a small number of times on the high end tables and got lifelong "winnings".[/QUOTE][URL]https://www-newsweek-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newsweek.com/std-gonorrhea-antibiotic-resistant-man-cambodia-austria-1717692?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D[/URL]#aoh=16629482115366&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&_tf=From%20%251%24's&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.newsweek.com[/URL]%2 Fstd-gonorrhea-antibiotic-resistant-man-Cambodia-Austria-1717692.
Check out this article it make me never want to have sex again.
There are already things going around that are bad and perm. Why did this push you over the top?
Not even touching on how the media is with science. A lot needs to be researched on this article.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2742377][URL]https://www-newsweek-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newsweek.com/std-gonorrhea-antibiotic-resistant-man-cambodia-austria-1717692?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D[/URL]#aoh=16629482115366&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&_tf=From%20%251%24's&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.newsweek.com[/URL]%2 Fstd-gonorrhea-antibiotic-resistant-man-Cambodia-Austria-1717692.
Check out this article it make me never want to have sex again.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hadez;2742437]There are already things going around that are bad and perm. Why did this push you over the top?
Not even touching on how the media is with science. A lot needs to be researched on this article.[/QUOTE]Ok here is one from the CDC then or do you think they are full of shit too? [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/default.htm[/URL] maybe you just want top justify bare backing your favs without regard to your health and that ok, but I am advising everyone of the risks regardless. Have a nice day I hope it don't drop off, but then again that's on you not me.
Combining chicas' dead-fish pussies with their Super Gonorrhea, CDC recommends this heavy-security chastity belt.
[URL]https://www.carrara-designs.be/products/chastitybelts/index.html[/URL]#zoomcontent8.
Check out this article it make me never want to have sex again.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about coconut oil – is it a healthy fat or not? How does it compare to other oils? Why is it solid at room temperature? And can it be used as lube in the bedroom? This incredibly powerful oil is in fact one of the healthiest fats known to us. By the end of this article, I'm pretty sure that you'll be running to your local health food store to pick up this antioxidant rich, medium-chain fatty acid. It's definitely a winner in my home because of its multiple uses and health benefits, and I can't wait for it to be a winner in yours too.
. . Predominantly a medium-chain fatty acid (MCFA), coconut oil is high in lauric acid. When lauric acid is in the body, it gets converted to monolaurin, which carries powerful anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal properties. The other main food source of lauric acid is human breast milk. Now I don't know about you, but I'the say that coconut oil is not only tastier, but it's definitely a lot easier to access than human breast milk. Think about all of the benefits that babies receive from their mother's milk – wouldn't you like to receive some of those immune boosting benefits?
Researchers recognize that coconut oil has the ability to boost immunity and prevent transmission of disease. They are currently studying the effects of lauric acid against HIV / AIDS, along with other sexually transmitted diseases, including Chlamydia and herpes. Did you know that many commercial lubricants can negatively affect your protection against sexually transmitted diseases? Although lube is meant to reduce friction and prevent condoms from breaking, on the downside they can impact your body's own defenses by altering your natural environment. One study showed using a lubricant was associated with a more than threefold greater risk of acquiring a sexually transmitted infection. Avoid creating a breeding ground for yeast and other pathogens by switching from commercial lubricants, which can be toxic to cells and tissues, to all natural coconut oil.
[URL]https://www.eligiblemagazine.com/2013/03/14/lube-up-with-coconut-oil/[/URL]
Per Johns Hopkins University, the use of coconut oil as a sex lubricant reduced the risk of an STD infection by 9 times over other chemically based lubricants that increased the porosity of the skin, making it easier for the STD to infect the body. If you carry a small bottle of liquid coconut oil and non latex condoms such as Skyn, you IMO will substantially reduce your chances of an infection, which is kind of important in this age of Super Gonorrhea. . .
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2742376][URL]https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/default.htm[/URL] This will make you not want to have sex with anyone LOL. Enjoy it they got a nice video explaining this. Maybe you all better use cobdoms, prevelant in the USA now.[/QUOTE]
Your do realize you can get things wearing condoms right? I know someone who got herpes while wearing a condom.
The risk is real. We all roll the dice every time. Do your research as to what you consider research is.
Have fun and be happy however you define it. Idgaf what you do or do not do.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2742717]Ok here is one from the CDC then or do you think they are full of shit too? [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/default.htm[/URL] maybe you just want top justify bare backing your favs without regard to your health and that ok, but I am advising everyone of the risks regardless. Have a nice day I hope it don't drop off, but then again that's on you not me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hadez;2743530]Your do realize you can get things wearing condoms right? I know someone who got herpes while wearing a condom.
The risk is real. We all roll the dice every time. Do your research as to what you consider research is.
Have fun and be happy however you define it. Idgaf what you do or do not do.[/QUOTE]You can also get genital warts with protected sex, so nothing is fool proof. As you said it is all a roll to the dice except for abstinence.
[QUOTE=Hadez;2743530]Your do realize you can get things wearing condoms right? I know someone who got herpes while wearing a condom.
The risk is real. We all roll the dice every time. Do your research as to what you consider research is.
Have fun and be happy however you define it. Idgaf what you do or do not do.[/QUOTE]Ok. Long pause.
However if do have sex still use condom! Significantly cuts back chances.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2743370]Combining chicas' dead-fish pussies with their Super Gonorrhea, CDC recommends this heavy-security chastity belt.
[URL]https://www.carrara-designs.be/products/chastitybelts/index.html[/URL]#zoomcontent8.
Check out this article it make me never want to have sex again.[/QUOTE]Nice package there Captain.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2743906]Ok. Long pause.
However if do have sex still use condom! Significantly cuts back chances.[/QUOTE]Genital warts no fun but at least with herpes can do a visual inspection and so long as no cankers present the H should not transmit onto your unprotected balls or abdomen. Come on Hadez please be optimistic.
Follow the conversation. I was not the one being judgemental in this game of risk we all decide to play. Also people talking about a new perm std like there is not already some to be concerned about.
We all do the best to educate ourself of the risks and make the decisions we good with. We could have a whole thread alone on what is good research.
I roll the dice and get tested regularly. Clean again just over 1 month ago. Tbh I have no wife, no gf and no kids. I get tested regularly so yes I do play all the risks. I typically avoid anal but every once in a while a girl with anal cravings takes me down that path
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2744266]Genital warts no fun but at least with herpes can do a visual inspection and so long as no cankers present the H should not transmit onto your unprotected balls or abdomen. Come on Hadez please be optimistic.[/QUOTE]
Nice! I would do it too with condom.
[QUOTE=Travv;2743433][URL]https://www.eligiblemagazine.com/2013/03/14/lube-up-with-coconut-oil/[/URL]
Per Johns Hopkins University, the use of coconut oil as a sex lubricant reduced the risk of an STD infection by 9 times over other chemically based lubricants that increased the porosity of the skin, making it easier for the STD to infect the body. If you carry a small bottle of liquid coconut oil and non latex condoms such as Skyn, you IMO will substantially reduce your chances of an infection, which is kind of important in this age of Super Gonorrhea..[/QUOTE]Can you link to the source of this supposed Johns Hopkins study? I can't find any record that they ever participated in or published any research on this. Stay safe out there.
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2744597]Nice! I would do it too with condom.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised any girl allows anal. It's dang hiv wise. What % of mongers have hiv? I would guess about 5%. If she does anal 200 guys in 3 or 4 years that's a lot risk for her. For a guy it's harder to get hiv from anal, unless your visiting a trans girl to receive that anal. Bit even for a guy the chance of hiv from anal is like having sex with 100 girls pussys. That's why I'm surprised guys or girls do it. This is with a condom. Plus you gona smell their shit much of the time. If you do anal do it with a girl in the bar who has better chance of getting hiv tested.
Genetically-engineered herpes virus can beat cancer: Scientists find tumours in terminally ill patients are eradicated or shrunk.
Daily mail .
A genetically-engineered cold sore virus is the new hope to beat cancer after scientists found it could eradicate or shrink tumours in terminally ill patients.
Patients were injected with the weakened form of the herpes simplex virus that has been modified to kill cancer cells in an early trial at the Institute for Cancer Research (ICR) in London.
The injection is given directly into the tumour, attacking it in two ways — by invading the cells and making them burst and boosting the immune system.
RP2 was tested on 39 patients with cancers including people suffering from skin, oesophageal and head and neck tumors.
Study leader Professor Kevin Harrington, Professor of Biological Cancer Therapies at The Institute of Cancer Research, London, said: 'Our study shows that a genetically engineered, cancer-killing virus can deliver a one-two punch against tumours – directly destroying cancer cells from within while also calling in the immune system against them. . . ".
Comments:
This is hopeful news for cancers in the head / neck. Current treatments cause so many problems with eating, talking, breathing. I had surgery only and didn't need radiation and it still left irreparable damage.
Here is the new big Pharma ad: This ain't your daddy's herpes.
Soon we will all have herpies and love it!
I Am Legend. . .
[QUOTE=Travv;2746575]Genetically-engineered herpes virus can beat cancer: Scientists find tumours in terminally ill patients are eradicated or shrunk.
Daily mail .
A genetically-engineered cold sore virus is the new hope to beat cancer after scientists found it could eradicate or shrink tumours in terminally ill patients.
Patients were injected with the weakened form of the herpes simplex virus that has been modified to kill cancer cells in an early trial at the Institute for Cancer Research (ICR) in London.
The injection is given directly into the tumour, attacking it in two ways by invading the cells and making them burst and boosting the immune system.
RP2 was tested on 39 patients with cancers including people suffering from skin, oesophageal and head and neck tumors.
Study leader Professor Kevin Harrington, Professor of Biological Cancer Therapies at The Institute of Cancer Research, London, said: 'Our study shows that a genetically engineered, cancer-killing virus can deliver a one-two punch against tumours directly destroying cancer cells from within while also calling in the immune system against them. . . ".
Comments:
This is hopeful news for cancers in the head / neck. Current treatments cause so many problems with eating, talking, breathing. I had surgery only and didn't need radiation and it still left irreparable damage.
Here is the new big Pharma ad: This ain't your daddy's herpes.
Soon we will all have herpies and love it!
I Am Legend. . .[/QUOTE]Wow good thing I bb my favorite gal today maybe I will. Get lucky and get Herpes. On a serious note I will need to fact check your article as it seems pretty far out. But like the cocanut oil it just might be the cure we have long been looking for. Thanks for the article.
Offhand, I do not view coconut oil as a cure. The articles I read described it as not causing porosity as commercial chemical sex lubricants do. By widening the skin's pores, chemical sex lubes increase the chance of an STD infection. On the other hand, coconut oil does not increase porosity of the skin and actually works as a disinfectant destroying the viruses and bacteria that come into contact with it. Therefore, slathering it on like sunscreen and then using a Skyn non-latex condom may give you added protection from HIV and Syphilis, STDs etc. I looked for the cite to the Johns Hopkins research which was linked here back around 2015 or 16 on this blog, but couldn't find it.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2746992]Wow good thing I bb my favorite gal today maybe I will. Get lucky and get Herpes. On a serious note I will need to fact check your article as it seems pretty far out. But like the cocanut oil it just might be the cure we have long been looking for. Thanks for the article.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2746992]Wow good thing I bb my favorite gal today maybe I will. Get lucky and get Herpes. On a serious note I will need to fact check your article as it seems pretty far out. But like the cocanut oil it just might be the cure we have long been looking for. Thanks for the article.[/QUOTE]Coconut oil is anti bacterial. NOT anti viral. Google is my friend, can be yours too.
A fun bro had good long sessions with this med, delayed ejac and stayed in the state of ecstasy for a long time.
He will try it in combo with Viagra, supposedly give even better results.
Don't know what he's going to get. Hope he will survive to tell me how it went hehe.
Dapoxetine From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Dapoxetine, marketed as Priligy, among others, is a medication used for the treatment of premature ejaculation (PE) in men 18–64 years old Dapoxetine works by inhibiting the serotonin transporter, increasing serotonin's action at the postsynaptic cleft, and as a consequence promoting ejaculatory delay. As a member of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) family, dapoxetine was initially created as an antidepressant. However, unlike other SSRIs, dapoxetine is absorbed and eliminated rapidly in the body. Its fast-acting property makes it suitable for the treatment of PE, but not as an antidepressant.
Originally created by Eli Lilly pharmaceutical company, dapoxetine was sold to Johnson & Johnson in 2003 and submitted as a New Drug Application to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of PE in 2004. Dapoxetine is sold in several European and Asian countries, and in Mexico. In the US, dapoxetine has been in phase III development. In May 2012, USA-based Furiex Pharmaceuticals reached an agreement with ALZA Corp and Janssen Pharmaceutica to market dapoxetine in the USA, Japan, and Canada, while selling the rights to market the drug in Europe, most of Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Middle East to Menarini.
Guys my condom broke with an hk Chica. What is my risk?
How freaked out are you? The options are many.
I would suggest min 30 day wait and get tested to be responsible.
Take this opportunity to research deep into the subject. Maybe call a few info numbers. Talks to a STD specialist.
In theory club girls get tested regularly. Have yet to see a system without ways of getting around it. Some guys BB all the time. Some guys BB once and roll snake eyes.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748926]Bros my condom broke with an hk chic. What do I do?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748930]Guys my condom broke with an hk Chica. What is my risk?[/QUOTE]It happens! You are probably safe but if your worried get checked once back in the US.
[QUOTE=Hadez;2748937]How freaked out are you? The options are many.
I would suggest min 30 day wait and get tested to be responsible.
Take this opportunity to research deep into the subject. Maybe call a few info numbers. Talks to a STD specialist.
In theory club girls get tested regularly. Have yet to see a system without ways of getting around it. Some guys BB all the time. Some guys BB once and roll snake eyes.[/QUOTE]So the odds are low? Pretty freaked out. 6 years of mongering and second time. First time intact condom left in the pusssy when I pulled out.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748926]Bros my condom broke with an hk chic. What do I do?[/QUOTE]If you worried about hiv get to a Dr immediately for the hiv medicine that they give for people who didn't use condom. You take it a few days and it's expensive if no insurance. But even if she has hiv, or a blown load from 5 other guys on her, the odds of hiv would be like one in 10 k maybe 1 in 100 k. Remember the odds of hiv are very low but those are normal sex, probably 20 minutes. If you just had few seconds the odds drop dramatically.
[QUOTE=Azfriole;2748942]It happens! You are probably safe but if your worried get checked once back in the US.[/QUOTE]Bad advice. Go immediately get hiv medicine. If you wait more than 2 days it won't work. Getting to your dr acomplishes nothing because you won't test positive for hiv yet anyway. It takes a couple months.
I hate guys who joke about broken condoms and dicks falling off hehe.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748926]Bros my condom broke with an hk chic. What do I do?[/QUOTE]How do you know the condom broke? Was your dick completely uncovered when you pulled out after finishing or did you pull out and it was uncovered before you finished? Were you being really aggressive with the humping because its pretty hard for latex to rip. I would just go get tested in 3 months for 100% accuracy and pray you don't have something incurable. Hk chicas getting test once a month is meaningless because they sleep with multiple men everyday.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748926]Bros my condom broke with an hk chic. What do I do?[/QUOTE]When this has happened to me to took Amoxicillin, a broad antibiotic based on penicillin.
This is readily available at all pharmacies in Tijuana, etc.
I think it is 500 MG for 3 times a day for 10 days- you can reduce after a week.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748926]Bros my condom broke with an hk chic. What do I do?[/QUOTE]There are probably countless times this has happened in both monger and non monger life and despite it sounding stupid non monger girls have given me more scares than the girls in the clubs and streets. Either way, Sounds like you're not going to ease your mind until you're tested. In general, unless you display symptoms (painful to urinate, discharge, etc) then 2 weeks is usually a good time frame. If you're showing symptoms then that means you can test sooner. There is a lot of good info online and I would stick with reputable sites for that info. Depending on your location you can call or visit a STD clinic or you can order a test online to be mailed to you discreetly with results viewable online and not shared with anyone unless you choose to.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2749154]How do you know the condom broke? Was your dick completely uncovered when you pulled out after finishing or did you pull out and it was uncovered before you finished? Were you being really aggressive with the humping because its pretty hard for latex to rip. I would just go get tested in 3 months for 100% accuracy and pray you don't have something incurable. Hk chicas getting test once a month is meaningless because they sleep with multiple men everyday.[/QUOTE]Started with a BJ, condom was fine. Then the Chica climbed on me. For a couple of minutes. Then I climbed on her. And pounded her for 15 minutes. I was fucking on viagra so my errection was pretty strong. I did not feel the condom break when I was doing the deed. When I pulled out the condom was all the way back and I was staring at a mexican creampie. Scared the big jesus out of me. I washed by dick, chica washed her coochy I am 90% certain the damn thing broke when I came.
I have started post exposure profalaxsis within 24 hours. What is my risk profile here?
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2749101]Bad advice. Go immediately get hiv medicine. If you wait more than 2 days it won't work. Getting to your dr acomplishes nothing because you won't test positive for hiv yet anyway. It takes a couple months.[/QUOTE]I got back today to the urgent care and started on Truvada. I am pretty sure the burst happened after I came. I started with a covered BJ, it was fine. Then girl on top pound for 2-3 minutes. Condom fine. Then started pounding her missionary keep checking periodically like I do. Then during the climax I stop checking when I finish and I pull out the condom was all the way back at the base of my shaft, I was still ejaculating and I was staring at a Mexican creampie. What are my risk factor here given I was covered during most of the activity.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2749100]If you worried about hiv get to a Dr immediately for the hiv medicine that they give for people who didn't use condom. You take it a few days and it's expensive if no insurance. But even if she has hiv, or a blown load from 5 other guys on her, the odds of hiv would be like one in 10 k maybe 1 in 100 k. Remember the odds of hiv are very low but those are normal sex, probably 20 minutes. If you just had few seconds the odds drop dramatically.[/QUOTE]Please see my post on what happened and provide feedback when possible.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2749249]I got back today to the urgent care and started on Truvada. I am pretty sure the burst happened after I came. I started with a covered BJ, it was fine. Then girl on top pound for 2-3 minutes. Condom fine. Then started pounding her missionary keep checking periodically like I do. Then during the climax I stop checking when I finish and I pull out the condom was all the way back at the base of my shaft, I was still ejaculating and I was staring at a Mexican creampie. What are my risk factor here given I was covered during most of the activity.[/QUOTE]So you got to cream pie q girl for free? If that was me it would be my favorite Tijuana moment. It's what I would think about whenever I need to finish with anyone else. Mine broke with a street girl. It felt warmer for a moment I thought she was just getting wet then she knew without looking that it was broke. These girls are experienced at their trade. Anyway I think the odds of dying getting a taco on the corner must be much higher than getting hiv from this scenario even if you didn't go to the doctor. It's better to not sweat it one day you will be top old to have sex your dick won't work your back will hurt, your sex drive with be diminished. Better to have as much sex as possible. I used to tell my ex "the dam squirrels out my window have more sex in 2 days then I have in a month" and " there's transgenic couples that haven't met yet, who will have more sex this month than we have in a hear".
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2749249]I got back today to the urgent care and started on Truvada. I am pretty sure the burst happened after I came. I started with a covered BJ, it was fine. Then girl on top pound for 2-3 minutes. Condom fine. Then started pounding her missionary keep checking periodically like I do. Then during the climax I stop checking when I finish and I pull out the condom was all the way back at the base of my shaft, I was still ejaculating and I was staring at a Mexican creampie. What are my risk factor here given I was covered during most of the activity.[/QUOTE]When it happened to me, my doctor told me to get a full comprehensive test including HIV because the chica I was with was on her period and her blood was all over the place. Then he put me on that pre HIV med that cost $600. In your case, you did not mention blood therefore your HIV risk is extremely low. On the other hand, your STD risk is pretty high considering how many guys she was with. There is one more risk. Baby daddy risk since many of these chicas use condoms as their sole conceptive.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2749249]I got back today to the urgent care and started on Truvada. I am pretty sure the burst happened after I came. I started with a covered BJ, it was fine. Then girl on top pound for 2-3 minutes. Condom fine. Then started pounding her missionary keep checking periodically like I do. Then during the climax I stop checking when I finish and I pull out the condom was all the way back at the base of my shaft, I was still ejaculating and I was staring at a Mexican creampie. What are my risk factor here given I was covered during most of the activity.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls have health cards but you know that doesn't mean shit since things can be corrupt in Tijuana and Mexico. Just get yourself an sti test in a few weeks or sooner if it hurts when you pee. I think you will be fine.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2749250]Please see my post on what happened and provide feedback when possible.[/QUOTE]The CDC has published stats that say if you have bareback sex with someone that is HIV positive, you would catch HIV 4 out of 10,000 times. So you can have bareback sex with someone who is HIV positive 9,996 times before you catch anything.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Clone8884;2749552]The CDC has published stats that say if you have bareback sex with someone that is HIV positive, you would catch HIV 4 out of 10,000 times. So you can have bareback sex with someone who is HIV positive 9,996 times before you catch anything.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Extremely small chance with only one time, yet a chance nonetheless.
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2749168]When this has happened to me to took Amoxicillin, a broad antibiotic based on penicillin.
This is readily available at all pharmacies in Tijuana, etc.
I think it is 500 MG for 3 times a day for 10 days- you can reduce after a week.[/QUOTE]Make sure to replenish gut bacteria after those 10 days, or preferably during, with probiotic food, or even probiotics themselves.
[QUOTE=LightMan1988;2748930]Guys my condom broke with an hk Chica. What is my risk?[/QUOTE]The risk is getting the girl pregnant, do you have a plan in case of that happening?
[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;2742101]This is the kind of stuff we mongers need to educate ourselves about. I have not done a lot of bareback since mostly my life sexual encounters are ALL P4 P (by my choosing). So few times I barebacked were when I was younger and after a couple time scared of impregnating a woman so I have always use condoms since. And today they have a lot of reliable thin thin condoms that to me anyways can't tell the difference. AND most importantly don't have to worry so much about getting an STD and especially those that are now resistant to common antibiotics. Imagine razor feeling for rest of you life and can't get rid of it? Happened to someone I knew in 2013. Finally after many many rounds of antibiotics it finally killed his clap. And he didn't BB a working girl was some slutty nurse.[/QUOTE]Go ahead and share which thin thin ones you prefer / recommend.
I reached out to one of my club regulars since I hadn't seen her around in a couple weeks and asked why she hadn't been at the club lately and she said she's starting back up tomorrow and was waiting on getting credentials from the gynecologist. Is this for the health card I hear some of you guys talking about sometimes or do you guys think maybe she caught something? She's always been steadily working at the club so I thought maybe she had taken a vacation or something. I've never gone bareback with her but we do make out. Haven’t caught anything though. She said to just let her know whenever I want to hook up in case she's not working so we can meet somewhere outside of the club.
[QUOTE=TomJackin;2749855]The risk is getting the girl pregnant, do you have a plan in case of that happening?[/QUOTE]I am not a San Diego Local. I don't plan going back any time soon. The only way this works is if my hypothetical kid puts his DNA in 23 and me and one of my progeny does and there is a match.
[QUOTE=Alcatal;2749708]Extremely small chance with only one time, yet a chance nonetheless.[/QUOTE]Half way through my profalaxis. That shit hits you like a truck.
[QUOTE=KratlamInt;2752181]Go ahead and share which thin thin ones you prefer / recommend.[/QUOTE]I bought some more Skyn brand condoms before my trip down to Monterrey this weekend. I really like them. You can Google best condoms and pulls up articles for some others you may be interested in.
[QUOTE=TomJackin;2749855]The risk is getting the girl pregnant, do you have a plan in case of that happening?[/QUOTE]Even if she did get pregannt by you, she can't do anything to you be / see she can't cross over to america and nobody will ever believe some hooker in Tijuana crying out stories about you if they ever even had the balls to do so. You're fine.
[QUOTE=Nothing24;2752387]I reached out to one of my club regulars since I hadn't seen her around in a couple weeks and asked why she hadn't been at the club lately and she said she's starting back up tomorrow and was waiting on getting credentials from the gynecologist. Is this for the health card I hear some of you guys talking about sometimes or do you guys think maybe she caught something? She's always been steadily working at the club so I thought maybe she had taken a vacation or something. I've never gone bareback with her but we do make out. Havent caught anything though. She said to just let her know whenever I want to hook up in case she's not working so we can meet somewhere outside of the club.[/QUOTE]Yes, a gynecologist has to clear them for their card. I do think the clubs are tightening up on the health card requirements. I've been in HK twice recently when they were "raided" by the health dept. I know at least a few girls did not have their cards and were removed. I would not be worried. If she's going to a doctor in preparation for her return, it's probably a safe bet she's getting her health card.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2755586]Even if she did get pregannt by you, she can't do anything to you be / see she can't cross over to america and nobody will ever believe some hooker in Tijuana crying out stories about you if they ever even had the balls to do so. You're fine.[/QUOTE]You guys are fucking souless. Imagine having a daughter instead of a son. And your daughter grows up spreading her legs for a living and getting the shit beat out of her by her pimp. Then she has your granddaughter that meets the same fate. And your granddaughter also gets fucked over by her pimp. That's how you want to leave your legacy?
[QUOTE=Nothing24;2752387]I reached out to one of my club regulars since I hadn't seen her around in a couple weeks and asked why she hadn't been at the club lately and she said she's starting back up tomorrow and was waiting on getting credentials from the gynecologist. Is this for the health card I hear some of you guys talking about sometimes or do you guys think maybe she caught something? She's always been steadily working at the club so I thought maybe she had taken a vacation or something. I've never gone bareback with her but we do make out. Haven't caught anything though. She said to just let her know whenever I want to hook up in case she's not working so we can meet somewhere outside of the club.[/QUOTE]I had the same conversation with one of my regulars around this same time. We might be eskimo brothers LOL.
She actually showed me her card but said the same thing, she's waiting for results but would see me out of the club in the meantime. I think there might be a waiting period if they don't renew by some sort of deadline.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2755761]You guys are fucking souless. Imagine having a daughter instead of a son. And your daughter grows up spreading her legs for a living and getting the shit beat out of her by her pimp. Then she has your granddaughter that meets the same fate. And your granddaughter also gets fucked over by her pimp. That's how you want to leave your legacy?[/QUOTE]I would like a little Zona Norte child. Like a souvenir for all my troubles. But let's be honest. USA has more working girls than Mexico. Nyc alone has more Asian sex workers than all of Tijuana.
[QUOTE=NeverOnce;2755799]I had the same conversation with one of my regulars around this same time. We might be eskimo brothers LOL.
She actually showed me her card but said the same thing, she's waiting for results but would see me out of the club in the meantime. I think there might be a waiting period if they don't renew by some sort of deadline.[/QUOTE]If the name she goes by in the club starts with a D, we very well could be!
[QUOTE=Nothing24;2755841]If the name she goes by in the club starts with a D, we very well could be![/QUOTE]Different girl but sounds like it must be a common thing with the health card.
[QUOTE=Clone8884;2749552]The CDC has published stats that say if you have bareback sex with someone that is HIV positive, you would catch HIV 4 out of 10,000 times. So you can have bareback sex with someone who is HIV positive 9,996 times before you catch anything.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This also says you can BB 100,000 different girls, and be just fine.
Yesterday I went to the free std clinic near Palomar trolley station. It's basically behind walmart if you know where that is. It's all walkable. I think hiv is always free. But because monkey pox, the way govt works, any crisis results in billions thrown at problems. So they got free $$ And made all std tests free. So I told them do them all. No appointment needed. Very clean place, they were not used to seeing gringo probably. Asked me alot sex questions but I mostly lied. I'd like to see some of you barebackers in chciks with multiple loads a night in them, if you guys were to go and tell the truth that would be one hell of a fun report to read. Anywya she says some straight guys take the medicine that prevents hiv before you get it. It is not free but maybe some of the guys on here would be better off on it.
Anyone ever catch anything from getting a BB BJ?
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765773]Anyone ever catch anything from getting a BB BJ?[/QUOTE]You can catch most any sexual disease from a bare back blow job even HIV but that is pretty low.
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2765894]You can catch most any sexual disease from a bare back blow job even HIV but that is pretty low.[/QUOTE]Should I be worried? I didn't CIM.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765773]Anyone ever catch anything from getting a BB BJ?[/QUOTE]I fell in love a couple of times. Does that count?
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765982]Should I be worried? I didn't CIM.[/QUOTE]Relax. You ain't getting HIV from this. The other guys loads would of been largely washed out of her mouth assuming you bought her a drink. Even if it wasn't there's still virtually no chance. Even if she had hiv herself there's virtually no chance unless you got sores and she's got bleeding mouth sores. Every guy in earth is getting BBBJ from woman with no HIV tests.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765982]Should I be worried? I didn't CIM.[/QUOTE]When you risk doing BBBJ you might as well go the whole 9 and get a CIM.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2758601]Yesterday I went to the free std clinic near Palomar trolley station. It's basically behind walmart if you know where that is. It's all walkable. I think hiv is always free. But because monkey pox, the way govt works, any crisis results in billions thrown at problems. So they got free $$ And made all std tests free. So I told them do them all. No appointment needed. Very clean place, they were not used to seeing gringo probably. Asked me alot sex questions but I mostly lied. I'd like to see some of you barebackers in chciks with multiple loads a night in them, if you guys were to go and tell the truth that would be one hell of a fun report to read. Anywya she says some straight guys take the medicine that prevents hiv before you get it. It is not free but maybe some of the guys on here would be better off on it.[/QUOTE]Great info. Any info on the name or address that makes it easier to google? How long did it take to get the results, and how did they send them to you? TIA!
Looking forward to the stories of mongers going here, LOL. I'll add mine once I do.
I know of a girl working in the bar that has herpes. She takes pills to prevent an outbreak but she still works. I know that the clinic analysis does not check for herpes and she has passed her general analysis. My question is will the bar managers or government allow her to work off they know she has herpes? What can she do to still work?
[QUOTE=BajaDude75;2766610]I know of a girl working in the bar that has herpes. She takes pills to prevent an outbreak but she still works. I know that the clinic analysis does not check for herpes and she has passed her general analysis. My question is will the bar managers or government allow her to work off they know she has herpes? What can she do to still work?[/QUOTE]You are kidding right? This is Tijuana where they got bigger fishes to fry than some puta in a bar. Cartel hitmen, drug dealers, serial killers sorta takes priority.
A couple of months ago, a waiter was gunned down right outside that tiny police station at the beginning of the alley. I was there. The only interested party was those trying to take a selfie including me. Then some hitman was shooting it up by the HK back entrance. And now they are looking for a serial killer.
Herpes is sort of at the bottom of the "danger" list. Fuck, I'm not sure herpes is even a STD in Tijuana.
[QUOTE=Edk750;2766359]Great info. Any info on the name or address that makes it easier to google? How long did it take to get the results, and how did they send them to you? TIA!
Looking forward to the stories of mongers going here, LOL. I'll add mine once I do.[/QUOTE]The entire building is a government building it cannot be missed just Google government health clinic on Google maps when your looking at Palomar Street. The place has a dozen security spread out in the parking lot. And a line outside for each part of the building your there for, Dr, or welfare, housing. It takes a week for results and it will be by phone unless your positive and theybask ubto come in. But if you can't come in I'm sure they would rather tell you then leave you spreading sexual diseases.
Getting HIV as a result of oral sex is extremely rare, performing it on a man would give you 2 chances, slim and none. If receiving it your chances would be as close to zero as it could get unless the girl had a noticeably bloody mouth. Even then her saliva dilute the risk.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765773]Anyone ever catch anything from getting a BB BJ?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2765773]Anyone ever catch anything from getting a BB BJ?[/QUOTE]The only catch from a BBBJ is chica catching my load for consumption.
Decided to do my quarterly under the hood check since it's the beginning of the year. I'd usually do it in the states, but since I recently switched jobs, I didn't want to deal with red tape of dealing with a new health insurance provider just yet.
There are several places that offer them all over Tijuana, just google 'Laboratorios' (Laboratories in Spanish) in TJ. Did mine in Plaza Rio at a place called Laboratoios Gamboa (they have other locations in Tijuana as well). Just walked in, no appointment, on Monday and just got my results today on Saturday. They had 3 options for the number of tests. I just got the basic and cheapest one (syphilis, chlamydia, herpes, and HIV) for 900p. The others were 450p and 900p more, but included "cultures" from what the attendant told me. Not sure if I misunderstood that or if there was info lost in translation.
And for those who want to be anonymous, they don't ask for ID nor do you need to use your real name. They print a receipt with a QR Code that had a number on it and they tell you when the results will be ready. Use your phone and get the results. Pretty easy and straight forward.
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2774494]Getting HIV as a result of oral sex is extremely rare, performing it on a man would give you 2 chances, slim and none. If receiving it your chances would be as close to zero as it could get unless the girl had a noticeably bloody mouth. Even then her saliva dilute the risk.[/QUOTE]It's very true in what is said. It's important also take a pass right after. Your puss should push out most bacteria or virus from entering your body. Though it may not be 100%, but every bit counts. The only 100% is not to do it, but what the fun with that. Be careful and be picky. Happy Mongering!
I don't want to take the test but is there a way I can just get std medicine (antibiotics, cream, ect.) just in case. I don't see anything wrong taking the medicine after a week session in Tijuana just as a preventative. Anyone else do this or know where I can get the meds and also the names.
Much appreciated!
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2789420]I don't want to take the test but is there a way I can just get std medicine (antibiotics, cream, ect.) just in case. I don't see anything wrong taking the medicine after a week session in Tijuana just as a preventative. Anyone else do this or know where I can get the meds and also the names.
Much appreciated![/QUOTE]This is a bad idea and most serious doctor will outright refuse unless you have symptoms or a test. The reason is antibiotics should not be taken carelessly because of resistance.
If you don't care then you can go to a doctor and lie and tell them you have symptoms of penis discharge: they will give you antibiotics for ghonorrea and chlamydia. However they might still order a test.
Really you should just get on with it and do the tests. They are even free in a lot of US states.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2789420]I don't want to take the test but is there a way I can just get std medicine (antibiotics, cream, ect.) just in case. I don't see anything wrong taking the medicine after a week session in Tijuana just as a preventative. Anyone else do this or know where I can get the meds and also the names.
Much appreciated![/QUOTE]It's Mexico, man. As long as you're willing to pay, they're willing to play. The only caveat being that if it requires a prescription on the state side, I'd personally play it safe and have prescription with my name on it, but do what's best for you. I would go to any major pharmacy (Farmacias Similares, Farmacias La Mas Barata, Farmacia Ahorro, Gusher's Pharamcy, Farmacia Roma, etc), and ask what you need. If even they require a perceptions, they'll usually refer you to a doctor right next door for convenience. That usually has it's own fee of $10, $15, (it's been a while since I've done this so I don't know the current price) and you'll get the prescription to be able to buy whatever you need.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2789420]I don't want to take the test but is there a way I can just get std medicine (antibiotics, cream, ect.) just in case. I don't see anything wrong taking the medicine after a week session in Tijuana just as a preventative. Anyone else do this or know where I can get the meds and also the names.
Much appreciated![/QUOTE]Your acting paranoid. If you were gona take any medication, it should be tbe hiv medicine that people take after you protected s3 x. That's of course if you did any of that. There's a free clinic at the Palomar trolleynstatuon a block away just look it up.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2789420]I don't want to take the test but is there a way I can just get std medicine (antibiotics, cream, ect.) just in case. I don't see anything wrong taking the medicine after a week session in Tijuana just as a preventative. Anyone else do this or know where I can get the meds and also the names.
Much appreciated![/QUOTE]Just go get it done, you don't want to take antibiotics if you don't need them. Anyways it is only a little blood draw and peeing in a cup. I had it done a few times and not a big deal.
I found this new Pharmacy up street from 4th & Madero. The name of place is Hollywood Pharmacy. The address is 8274 4th st (Calle Emiliano Zapata). They charge 65 pesos for a 100 MG Viagra.
[QUOTE=Hargow20;2793260]I found this new Pharmacy up street from 4th & Madero. The name of place is Hollywood Pharmacy. The address is 8274 4th st (Calle Emiliano Zapata). They charge 65 pesos for a 100 MG Viagra.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure Emiliano Zapata is 5th St.
Hi guys I had got genital warts some months earlier and I treated them by consulting a doctor. Now again I can see 1-2 of them coming under the base of my penis head. I will surely be going to the doctor again, just wanted to know if you guys had this and how did you guys rid of it for good. Please do help! Thanks.
[QUOTE=Aries009;2793742]Hi guys I had got genital warts some months earlier and I treated them by consulting a doctor. Now again I can see 1-2 of them coming under the base of my penis head. I will surely be going to the doctor again, just wanted to know if you guys had this and how did you guys rid of it for good. Please do help! Thanks.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/genital-warts/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Aries009;2793742]Hi guys I had got genital warts some months earlier and I treated them by consulting a doctor. Now again I can see 1-2 of them coming under the base of my penis head. I will surely be going to the doctor again, just wanted to know if you guys had this and how did you guys rid of it for good. Please do help! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Three steps. The first is not go upstairs with one of my favorite. The second step is to give vaginal yeast infection cream. You can get it from Amazon if you are too embarrassed. The third is to avoid all my favorites for a week while under treatment.
[QUOTE=Aries009;2793742]Hi guys I had got genital warts some months earlier and I treated them by consulting a doctor. Now again I can see 1-2 of them coming under the base of my penis head. I will surely be going to the doctor again, just wanted to know if you guys had this and how did you guys rid of it for good. Please do help! Thanks.[/QUOTE]I remember getting a small wart after an encounter with a girl in which the condom ripped.
It took about 1 full year before fully having the warts not reappear. I kept getting warts reappearing for about 6 months.
The doc gave me some liquid to burn them off with a qtip type of swab.
Warts are a product of the HPV virus, most common STD out there. Unfortunately you have the virus for life
It's just hoping that there's no outbreaks, which according to several docs typically don't come back after 2 years.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2798458]Three steps. The first is not go upstairs with one of my favorite. The second step is to give vaginal yeast infection cream. You can get it from Amazon if you are too embarrassed. The third is to avoid all my favorites for a week while under treatment.[/QUOTE]For vaginal yeast infection cream for women or men Antifungal cream the name of the cream is "Miconazole Nitrate 2%" You can buy it at Walmart at [URL]www.walmart.com[/URL] Search for "Antifungal cream Miconazole Nitrate 2%" made by McKesson 4 FL oz price $12.99 . The cream is effective and the fungus disappears after a few days. But it can reappear from time to time for no particular reason, and it's good to have this cream in your medicine cabinet. I suggest always using good quality condoms which can be bought at the address [URL]www.condomdepot.com[/URL] "Crown" condoms are very good, super thin, strong but super sensitive. Gentlemen health is the most important.
Women are supposed to smell good and sexy, but most bar girls and escorts have vaginal odors, some rancid like rotten fish, some extremely offensive like rotten, dead human flesh. When the pussies' stench blow up I got really disgusted, not to mention potential infections, lose my sexual appetite for weeks or months.
Will have to pack in my travel kit this odor spray, allegedly will fix the foul odors without washing, but will have the girls wash then spray to make sure:
Vagisil Odor Block Freshening Intimate Dry Wash Spray, 2. 6 oz, $2. 97 at Walmart.
Hope it works.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2847686]Women are supposed to smell good and sexy, but most bar girls and escorts have vaginal odors, some rancid like rotten fish, some extremely offensive like rotten, dead human flesh. When the pussies' stench blow up I got really disgusted, not to mention potential infections, lose my sexual appetite for weeks or months.
Will have to pack in my travel kit this odor spray, allegedly will fix the foul odors without washing, but will have the girls wash then spray to make sure:
Vagisil Odor Block Freshening Intimate Dry Wash Spray, 2. 6 oz, $2. 97 at Walmart.
Hope it works.[/QUOTE]Uh. Good luck finding a chica that will allow you to spray some chemical on their vagina. Would you allow a chica to spray our genitals with some disinfectant? My guess is no.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2847846]Uh. Good luck finding a chica that will allow you to spray some chemical on their vagina. Would you allow a chica to spray our genitals with some disinfectant? My guess is no.[/QUOTE]Are you joking? During COVID spraying me down with disinfectant counted as foreplay.
I am disgusted with stinky pussies.
Unless she washes and sprays her pussy, there is no deal.
A few classy escorts always shower and wash carefully before the session.
Will spray it on my dick and my butt crack to show her they don't fall off hehe.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2848574]Will spray it on my dick and my butt crack to show her they don't fall off hehe.[/QUOTE]El Capitan, you can always fuck the stinky hookers wearing a military issue NBC gas mask.
About 3 weeks ago while in Houston condom broke I didn't notice until the I finished. * About a week later urniating became very painful so got myself checked out, found out this week positive for both G&see. * This morning went the pharmacy in Tijuana to get meds and was told I need a script. * Doctors office was next to pharmacy cost about 8 usd for prescription when back to pharmacy they gave me Ceftriaxone as an injection and oral pills Azitromicina totaling 161 usd for 5 days of each.
Kind of a surprise.
Went back to doctors office so he could show me how to use the inspection. * And then changed me 2 usd for that.
He told me I have to do an injection everyday for 5 days but reading online it say 1 injection only from multiple sources.
I am not sure if he gave me the right dosage.
Reading online:
Uncomplicated Gonococcal Infections.
Indicated for uncomplicated gonococcal infection of pharynx, cervix, urethra, or rectum.
Weight <150 kg: Ceftriaxone 500 MG I'm once.
Weight ≥150 kg: Ceftriaxone 1,000 MG I'm once.
If chlamydial infection has not been excluded, add doxycycline 100 MG BID x 7 days, or if pregnant give azithromycin 1,000 MG.
CDC recommends a single dose of 500 MG of intramuscular ceftriaxone.
The injection is 1 gram powder with 3. 5 ML solution that has to be mixed. * Which is double the recommendation.
Did he give me the wrong dosage for the injection?* I am leaning towards yes.
Please help with your knowledge and experiences.
[QUOTE=Jayree;2856397]About 3 weeks ago while in Houston condom broke I didn't notice until the I finished. * About a week later urniating became very painful so got myself checked out, found out this week positive for both G&see. * This morning went the pharmacy in Tijuana to get meds and was told I need a script. * Doctors office was next to pharmacy cost about 8 usd for prescription when back to pharmacy they gave me Ceftriaxone as an injection and oral pills Azitromicina totaling 161 usd for 5 days of each.
Kind of a surprise.
Went back to doctors office so he could show me how to use the inspection. * And then changed me 2 usd for that.
He told me I have to do an injection everyday for 5 days but reading online it say 1 injection only from multiple sources.
I am not sure if he gave me the right dosage.
Reading online:
Uncomplicated Gonococcal Infections.
Indicated for uncomplicated gonococcal infection of pharynx, cervix, urethra, or rectum.
Weight <150 kg: Ceftriaxone 500 MG I'm once.
Weight ≥150 kg: Ceftriaxone 1,000 MG I'm once.
If chlamydial infection has not been excluded, add doxycycline 100 MG BID x 7 days, or if pregnant give azithromycin 1,000 MG.
CDC recommends a single dose of 500 MG of intramuscular ceftriaxone.
The injection is 1 gram powder with 3. 5 ML solution that has to be mixed. * Which is double the recommendation.
Did he give me the wrong dosage for the injection?* I am leaning towards yes.
Please help with your knowledge and experiences.[/QUOTE]For GC: Ceftriaxone a single dose of 500 MG for people <'150 kg.
For chlymdia: Doxycycline 100 MG twice a day for 7 days.
Per CDC.
GG.
Met a relatively new cutie from goodgirls last week. Offered to take some of her piss for an Everlywell test for chlamydia and gonnorhea. Results came back today: positive for both. Careful out there!
The test cost $50 on Amazon, took about a week.
I hope this is a good place to express my recent thoughts. I have been thinking about the psychological effects of working in the sex industry on women.
What brought me here? Maybe my getting older in age? Or from spending more time with my favorite and her opening up with me about a few things that bother me. I guess it's a cold reality.
Everything from being abused as a child or a teen into adult life Her being pulled out of school as a young child and made to work in the fields into her teens with her family to help make ends meet. Never able to finish a basic education LVL. *.
Having sex with unpleasant people, being chocked by customers with sick fetishes, and who knows what else has been done to her.
I can only imagine the PTSD, flashbacks, emotional numbing, hyper-alertness to certain things, irritability, anger, fear, the existential sense that life no longer had any purpose, depression, and thoughts of suicide. She's probably not capable of ever having a normal, healthy, loving relationship with anyone. What happens to these women later in life, after 40,50+? It just seems like a very bleak outcome. I'm sure a few might find an escape, but certainly not the norm.
All I can do is be nice to her and try to do things to help her feel a sense of normal and put a smile on her face whenever possible.
I guess I just needed to ramble while thinking about this.
[QUOTE=FlapJacK;2870578]I hope this is a good place to express my recent thoughts. I have been thinking about the psychological effects of working in the sex industry on women.
What brought me here? Maybe my getting older in age? Or from spending more time with my favorite and her opening up with me about a few things that bother me. I guess it's a cold reality.
Everything from being abused as a child or a teen into adult life Her being pulled out of school as a young child and made to work in the fields into her teens with her family to help make ends meet. Never able to finish a basic education LVL. *.
Having sex with unpleasant people, being chocked by customers with sick fetishes, and who knows what else has been done to her.
I can only imagine the PTSD, flashbacks, emotional numbing, hyper-alertness to certain things, irritability, anger, fear, the existential sense that life no longer had any purpose, depression, and thoughts of suicide. She's probably not capable of ever having a normal, healthy, loving relationship with anyone. What happens to these women later in life, after 40,50+? It just seems like a very bleak outcome. I'm sure a few might find an escape, but certainly not the norm.
All I can do is be nice to her and try to do things to help her feel a sense of normal and put a smile on her face whenever possible.
I guess I just needed to ramble while thinking about this.[/QUOTE]Don't try to be a Captain Save a Hoe. They are working as sex workers for the money, no matter what hard luck story they are selling you. Save yourself don't trust a puta and be smart!
[QUOTE=FlapJacK;2870578]I hope this is a good place to express my recent thoughts. I have been thinking about the psychological effects of working in the sex industry on women.
What brought me here? Maybe my getting older in age? Or from spending more time with my favorite and her opening up with me about a few things that bother me. I guess it's a cold reality.
Everything from being abused as a child or a teen into adult life Her being pulled out of school as a young child and made to work in the fields into her teens with her family to help make ends meet. Never able to finish a basic education LVL. *.
Having sex with unpleasant people, being chocked by customers with sick fetishes, and who knows what else has been done to her.
I can only imagine the PTSD, flashbacks, emotional numbing, hyper-alertness to certain things, irritability, anger, fear, the existential sense that life no longer had any purpose, depression, and thoughts of suicide. She's probably not capable of ever having a normal, healthy, loving relationship with anyone. What happens to these women later in life, after 40,50+? It just seems like a very bleak outcome. I'm sure a few might find an escape, but certainly not the norm.
All I can do is be nice to her and try to do things to help her feel a sense of normal and put a smile on her face whenever possible.
I guess I just needed to ramble while thinking about this.[/QUOTE]I think it is a big difference between those that are forced into the work rather than by choice. Most women probably burned in past by trying to rely on a man to support them and then realizing they are responsible for their own destiny. It doesn't help they come from rough economic backgrounds. Sometimes you meet ones that are educated, but just can't make ends meet in their country. The part that is difficult is when you make a connection with them and peel back layers of the onion. You start to hear their stories, meet family, etc. Most are trying to get themselves and their families out of their situation and some sadly go down the path of self destruction. Drugs, shopping, surgeries, etc. And it is a vicious cycle that chews them up and spits them out. The way I view it, men will pay regardless if in a relationship or transactional. I would guess that most would not do the work if they were in able to make decent salary or better background, but it just isn't in the cards for most in this world. Just think that $60 k puts you in top 1% in world for earners, but imagine trying to survive on $60 k in CA. It is just a reflection on how difficult life is for most. Also the statistics show a median income of $83 k in SoCal with a median home price of $1 M shows how difficult it is to make a decent life in SoCal. If $60 k is top 1% in the world, then when Americans visit these other lower income countries, no wonder the women think money grows on trees. Especially when they see how careless some mongers are throwing their monthly salary around in a few minutes time. I just hope whoever I run into in this life has the opportunity to achieve their better life. Most will not break through the barriers and sadly they make decisions on survival for short term rather than long term planning. Retirement for them is a foreign concept and most work until they pass from this world. Have fun and stay safe!
[QUOTE=SeaBeeJoe;2870652]Don't try to be a Captain Save a Hoe. They are working as sex workers for the money, no matter what hard luck story they are selling you. Save yourself don't trust a puta and be smart![/QUOTE]You guys are right, and I'm not being a sucker or trying to save anyone. I've known this chica for 13-15 years and never gave any of this any thought until recently.
I admit, I do care and feel some attachment with her. Best kept to myself and have fun in the moment.
The most we can or should do is to be kind to them & offer some words of advice. Occasionally the girl I see will message and says she needs money fo her hotel room. So occasionally I will go down a few days early or see her twice a week on every so often. I have a lot of extra food from the food bank. So I will bring her food at times as well. The good thing is that she does not simply ask to give her more money. She also has a very nice daughter. So I am happy to help.
[QUOTE=FlapJacK;2870942]You guys are right, and I'm not being a sucker or trying to save anyone. I've known this chica for 13-15 years and never gave any of this any thought until recently.
I admit, I do care and feel some attachment with her. Best kept to myself and have fun in the moment.[/QUOTE]
Many of the girls have hard lives and do not enjoy having sex with customers. In my mind you are paying for service and having to deal with emotional / personal issues in their lives. Now this is entirely different where they held hostage in a brothel etc. This something that I object to of course. As for age the smart ones work for awhile and move on to something else.
[QUOTE=FlapJacK;2870578]I hope this is a good place to express my recent thoughts. I have been thinking about the psychological effects of working in the sex industry on women.
What brought me here? Maybe my getting older in age? Or from spending more time with my favorite and her opening up with me about a few things that bother me. I guess it's a cold reality.
Everything from being abused as a child or a teen into adult life Her being pulled out of school as a young child and made to work in the fields into her teens with her family to help make ends meet. Never able to finish a basic education LVL. *.
Having sex with unpleasant people, being chocked by customers with sick fetishes, and who knows what else has been done to her.
I can only imagine the PTSD, flashbacks, emotional numbing, hyper-alertness to certain things, irritability, anger, fear, the existential sense that life no longer had any purpose, depression, and thoughts of suicide. She's probably not capable of ever having a normal, healthy, loving relationship with anyone. What happens to these women later in life, after 40,50+? It just seems like a very bleak outcome. I'm sure a few might find an escape, but certainly not the norm.
All I can do is be nice to her and try to do things to help her feel a sense of normal and put a smile on her face whenever possible.
I guess I just needed to ramble while thinking about this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hargow20;2870966]Many of the girls have hard lives and do not enjoy having sex with customers. In my mind you are paying for service and having to deal with emotional / personal issues in their lives. Now this is entirely different where they held hostage in a brothel etc. This something that I object to of course. As for age the smart ones work for awhile and move on to something else.[/QUOTE]You guys don't care about the cum boys who probably live on just your 1 dollar tips after uvpay $150 to bang a girl for 10 minutes. None of these girls have to bang all these men. In fact any one of them can #1 find a man with a good job #2 just bang 1 or 2 guys on a inkling basis for $1000 month each and get herself a job in Tijuana for the other 1 k a month. If a girls had a rough life, that's not gona be any more or less likely just cause she's working banging guys in Zona. Norte 3 months a year. Every girl I got to know a bit had paid in full houses cars, lots of international vacations, opening business. Etc. And guess what? They don't have to eat taco bell or frozen pizza as much as possible to save $$ do they can fly to Tijuana and pay girls to fuck them. Od more more sad for men who don't have constant companionship and sex offers by everyone around them all day everyday like 85% of all woman get.
Well fuck. I now officially been diagnosed with high blood pressure. Any of you guys have issues with mixing high blood pressure meds with Vitamins? Any meds you recommend to avoid to protect myself from permanent limp dick syndrome?
I have been taking blood pressure meds since 2021 because my BP was to high to pass my boxing physical to compete. I now take 60 MG of Telismartin daily and have no side effects to speak of. I take vitamins and have no impedance in sexual performance. There are many types of BP meds, which one are you taking and at what dose?
[QUOTE=Scbb1;2873817]I have been taking blood pressure meds since 2021 because my BP was to high to pass my boxing physical to compete. I now take 60 MG of Telismartin daily and have no side effects to speak of. I take vitamins and have no impedance in sexual performance. There are many types of BP meds, which one are you taking and at what dose?[/QUOTE]The ER gave me Lisinopril 10 MG. It's a generic for Prinivil; Zestril. But I see my primary doc in a week where I can ask for different meds if this one fucks up my system.
I have had High BP for many years. Seen a MD specifically for it and did blood tests, etc. Dentists won't give me Novecain due to my HBP without a current note from MD.
I provide that background because I now stick with Amlodipine + Losartan Potasium. This combo works for me. I was put on Cozar and also Lisinopril HTZ and the Lisinopril is GREAT to reduce your BP but for me it puts me to sleep. I stuck with it 10 days and went back to Losartan. Some BP meds cause fatigue and put me to sleep.
So for me. At least. Losartan + Amlodipne. Works and I can function just fine. Cialis when I need it!
P.S. I have an opinion about high BP being more psycho semantic than others may have. Read into it. Read about White Lab Coat syndrome . Basically some people - like me - get physically nervous to the point of extreme spiking BP only around medical offices. Also. What an MD had me do was wear a wrist band BP monitor and have it measure me 2 x a day and log all measurements. Our BP can spike for many issues. Oh! And I also repeat MD because they will do / order heart tests and blood tests. Whereas a Nurse might just throw meds to you and say "good luck. ".
Hope my posts adds to your question. I have been dealing with 185/110 + for many years. *but much lower with losartan and even lower with Lisinopril*.
"more sad for men who don't have constant companionship and sex offers by everyone around them all day everyday like 85% of all woman get. ".
Mongering completely transformed my life for the better. Completely levels the playing field.
My own stats over 20 years in Tijuana show about 50% bar girls and escorts have stinky pussies. I asked a Goodgirl to shower and wash her pussy, but the fishy odors came right back. That's proof they have some sorts of infection, bacterial or viral. CBJoe said 75% escorts have stinky pussies. He's been around Tijuana and I believe his figure.
The problem has gotten worse among HK girls in the past few years, WTF? Strangely I never found any street girls with stinky pussies.
Stinky pussies and STI risks in Tijuana just turn me off sexually, not wanting to go back.
Had sweet, passionate sessions with nice, clean, young, pretty girls in Asia, smell good, feel good, taste good, sound sexy. Looking to returning.
[QUOTE=SenorTJ;2869243]Met a relatively new cutie from goodgirls last week. Offered to take some of her piss for an Everlywell test for chlamydia and gonnorhea. Results came back today: positive for both. Careful out there! Everyone's offering BBFS now. If you don't see a girl on her first day of action, it's Russian roulette.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SenorTJ;2869245]Met a relatively new cutie from goodgirls last week. Offered to take some of her piss for an Everlywell test for chlamydia and gonnorhea. Results came back today: positive for both. Careful out there!
The test cost $50 on Amazon, took about a week.[/QUOTE]
I had a rare reaction of angiodema from lisinopril. I was on it more than a year.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2873954]My own stats over 20 years in Tijuana show about 50% bar girls and escorts have stinky pussies. I asked a Goodgirl to shower and wash her pussy, but the fishy odors came right back. That's proof they have some sorts of infection, bacterial or viral. CBJoe said 75% escorts have stinky pussies. He's been around Tijuana and I believe his figure.
The problem has gotten worse among HK girls in the past few years, WTF? Strangely I never found any street girls with stinky pussies.
Stinky pussies and STI risks in Tijuana just turn me off sexually, not wanting to go back.
Had sweet, passionate sessions with nice, clean, young, pretty girls in Asia, smell good, feel good, taste good, sound sexy. Looking to returning.[/QUOTE]HK girls have fishy pussies be / see HK girls have sex with an incredibly large number of disgusting men each day. Street girls smell fine be / see they literally have no customers all day.
The reverse is true.
Popular street girls bag many more guys than HK girls every day, but still smell nice.
A lot of HK girls don't bag a client a whole week, but their pussies still smell fishy due to infections. Bacteria and virus live and grow in moist pussies, causing foul odors.
Man, I don't know what you guys are doing or if you just have really poor chica selection, but in my numerous years of mongering in the zona I have NEVER ran across a "fishy pussy".
I may have came across some with what could be described as more of a "natural" smell once every blue moon, which I know some guys love, but never stinky or fishy.
And I know some high volume women, they know enough for themselves to either smell nice or not have a scent at all.
This year alone I can only think of ONE girl I detected a smell from and it wasn't stinky, it was just regular and not unpleasant or off putting. So yeah, I don't know what you guys are up to LOL.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2874683]The reverse is true.
Popular street girls bag many more guys than HK girls every day, but still smell nice.
A lot of HK girls don't bag a client a whole week, but their pussies still smell fishy due to infections. Bacteria and virus live and grow in moist pussies, causing foul odors.[/QUOTE]Maybe the ugly ones don't bag a client the whole week but the actual hot and attractive ones bag a client every 1-2 hours. Anyone who regularly goes to the club and watches which girls go arriba would be lying if they didn't agree with this.
[QUOTE=Nothing24;2874685]Man, I don't know what you guys are doing or if you just have really poor chica selection, but in my numerous years of mongering in the zona I have NEVER ran across a "fishy pussy".
[/QUOTE]I encountered one just 2 weeks ago. So bad. Yes, nasty smelling pussies can be encountered but are not very frequent in my experience. Just nicely told the girl to wash up with warm water and no soap and she came back smelling better. It also is a good practice for both of you to shower before the action no matter how you both feel cleansed.
For some reason as someone wrote I never encountered this with the SG's. Not sure why. The issues with SG's is the bad attitude as you do not have time to gauge her as you would with a bar girl. There is only a certain level of connection you can have with SG's vs BG's. Having said that, the best and unforgettable sex that happened for both of us there, is with a regular SG I used to have.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2876528]Maybe the ugly ones don't bag a client the whole week but the actual hot and attractive ones bag a client every 1-2 hours. Anyone who regularly goes to the club and watches which girls go arriba would be lying if they didn't agree with this.[/QUOTE]I know a girl who told me she will never come back to Tijuana for lack of business in HK. She is not ugly either, she is just average. In any case some girls endure for years and years and I and other regulars do not arriba them. However they are there year in and year out. You have to assume the wait rewards them at some juncture in time that would be the reason they are there.
[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2880498]I know a girl who told me she will never come back to Tijuana for lack of business in HK. She is not ugly either, she is just average. In any case some girls endure for years and years and I and other regulars do not arriba them. However they are there year in and year out. You have to assume the wait rewards them at some juncture in time that would be the reason they are there.[/QUOTE]Feel free to disagree but from my years there and watching which girls constantly go up every hour or so, I noticed several common and easy things for a smart HK chica to do if they want to join that every 1 hour arriba money bags club.
The successful and busy HK chicas that get banged every hour usually do the following:
1) have big see cup size tits and wear a very revealing 2 piece bikini style outfit (not those one piece outfits where you can't see anything).
2) Stand in busy intersections that allow easy access to customers such as the staircase in the middle of the club (those who hang around the front entrance or the main stage get almost no attention be / see they're not easily accessible).
3) Very flirtatious and actively reach out and squeeze guy's crotches as they walk by.
4) don't stand there staring at their phone.
5) don't hide among groups of other girls and engage in constant conversations with them making themselves seem unavailable.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2880572]Feel free to disagree but from my years there and watching which girls constantly go up every hour or so, I noticed several common and easy things for a smart HK chica to do if they want to join that every 1 hour arriba money bags club.
The successful and busy HK chicas that get banged every hour usually do the following:
1) have big see cup size tits and wear a very revealing 2 piece bikini style outfit (not those one piece outfits where you can't see anything).
I disagree because doesn't work for me.
2) Stand in busy intersections that allow easy access to customers such as the staircase in the middle of the club (those who hang around the front entrance or the main stage get almost no attention be / see they're not easily accessible).
I agree
3) Very flirtatious and actively reach out and squeeze guy's crotches as they walk by.
I agree
4) don't stand there staring at their phone.
I agree
5) don't hide among groups of other girls and engage in constant conversations with them making themselves seem unavailable.
I agree
[/QUOTE]See inline response.
One more important addition:- Smile.
I understand that this list will never be seen by any HK girl or at least for that to happen the chances are very narrow. However, in reality we are talking about ourselves. What we like and we don't like and what we respond to.
[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2880498]I know a girl who told me she will never come back to Tijuana for lack of business in HK. She is not ugly either, she is just average. In any case some girls endure for years and years and I and other regulars do not arriba them. However they are there year in and year out. You have to assume the wait rewards them at some juncture in time that would be the reason they are there.[/QUOTE]I'm attracted to any girl of Amy ra e whose not fat, but I have to be fair, 70% of the girls going up for sex to me, do not look very attractive. They look decent, and if I was already married to them I could accept it. But majority tobme, even in old age, do not look so good that I'd want to be in a relationship with them. And latina woman are my favorite.
[QUOTE=Dogers69;2880972]I'm attracted to any girl of Amy ra e whose not fat, but I have to be fair, 70% of the girls going up for sex to me, do not look very attractive. They look decent, and if I was already married to them I could accept it. But majority tobme, even in old age, do not look so good that I'd want to be in a relationship with them. And latina woman are my favorite.[/QUOTE]Noticed the difference when you see them outside in normal street attire vs inside the clubs? Some still look very good in fact I would prefer to see them that way but most look really shaggy outside.
In any case looks is overrated. Any fit woman can do her nails and hair, paste up her face and dress in mini skirt and can make any warm blooded inexperienced str8 guy pee. After laying all those women this has stopped working for me long ago, I wish it still did but it doesn't. I fall for a combination of, youth, fitness, cleanliness and most of all friendly feminine attitude in the moment.
[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2880498]I know a girl who told me she will never come back to Tijuana for lack of business in HK. She is not ugly either, she is just average. In any case some girls endure for years and years and I and other regulars do not arriba them. However they are there year in and year out. You have to assume the wait rewards them at some juncture in time that would be the reason they are there.[/QUOTE]Tijuana rent is very expensive for a Mexican gal not from Tijuana. The regulars that are here and don't do much business, I would assume they are from Tijuana, living in a free of low-rent environment.
[QUOTE=Jackie888;2881247]Tijuana rent is very expensive for a Mexican gal not from Tijuana. The regulars that are here and don't do much business, I would assume they are from Tijuana, living in a free of low-rent environment.[/QUOTE]Make sense. I would agree this is the case. Either way the benefits must outweigh the hassle so they endure.
Latest researches have link loss of smell as indication of early dementia.
If you cannot smell rotten dead fish pussies, well, be prepared for dementia.
[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2881511]Latest researches have link loss of smell as indication of early dementia.
If you cannot smell rotten dead fish pussies, well, be prepared for dementia.[/QUOTE]Thank you Dr. Solo for that informative tidbit, unfortunately I can still seem the rotten fish!
Hi Fellas.
I am struggling with the best way to avoid friction burn after having sex with condom.
Once after I got the burn on the head / glans I thought it was because it was too dry (due to wipe with tissue before putting condom on).
So, I thought the way to avoid that was to rub some vaseline on the glans before putting the condom on. But last week I got friction burn and almost a blister after having sex.
So now I am really confused how best to avoid friction burn. Whether or not to put Vaseline on the glans / head.
BTW. I used to also get slight abrasion on the very top of the penis after many sessions in a weekend. Vaseline on the very tip of the penis does work to prevent those very small abrasion cuts.
What's been your experience?
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2887813]So, I thought the way to avoid that was to rub some vaseline on the glans before putting the condom on.[/QUOTE]Never never never use Vaseline with condoms. Petroleum and oils will break down the rubber. Only use water based lubricants like KY or Astroglide.
[QUOTE=MacNCheeze;2887905]Never never never use Vaseline with condoms. Petroleum and oils will break down the rubber. Only use water based lubricants like KY or Astroglide.[/QUOTE]I have read that but I don't believe petroleum jelly is really as issue for 30 minutes. My doctor was OK with it.
My question is not what type of lube. But whether TO PUT or NOT lube on penis head / glans before condom and sex to avoid friction burn.
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2888011]I have read that but I don't believe petroleum jelly is really as issue for 30 minutes. My doctor was OK with it.
My question is not what type of lube. But whether TO PUT or NOT lube on penis head / glans before condom and sex to avoid friction burn.[/QUOTE]I try to avoid condoms as much as I can but once in a while when a chica I really want to fuck absolutely will not budge on the issue, or wants way too much money, then I have to revert back to using a condom. I do like to put lubricant on my penis first and then put the condom on as I feel it makes the condom less plastic or elastic feeling.
I prefer to use a silicone lubricant not a water based one because those get sticky, silicone stays smooth. Platinum wet pure silicone lube is a good brand, also Swiss Army but it's more expensive. I believe Walmart in the US like in Chula Vista, also carries their own brand which is cheaper like $8 usd.
Also just as I don't like water based lube I also don't like latex condoms. I found that the polyisoprene (Skyn Condoms) or polyurethane (Trojan Supra) are much better. Trojan Supra have a bad habit of breaking easily through, not that I ever cared if they broke LOL. I remember sometimes they'd break and the Chica wouldn't notice and I'd still cum inside her. Kind of like stealthing but then again not really because I wasn't actively removing the condom it just happened to break sometimes.
Anyways hope this helps.
-Gabacho.
Is masturbation good or bad for this hobby? I don't like ejaculating while I am in Tijuana unless it is the last day. It has a tendency to zap out the excitement of being there, touching, feeling, enjoying the girls. If cumming is the mission I do that at home for cheap.