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CD Philosophy
I was just now watching a Cuba Dave video. And he was saying that it was no good coming to Sosua looking to meet a girl to marry or take back to United States, . Because she would not be happy and the husband would acquire many dependents. . Therefore it was better just to prostitute the girls for an hour.
Although this might seem like conventional wisdom here, I can see how a lot of people would find this very offensive. After all, if the beautiful DR girls aren't good wife material, why not just walk away from them? Why recommend that other men should get into prostitution.
Well I guess he will eventually get a chance to explain his philosophy and how it serves the greater good.
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[QUOTE=Frannie;1772866]I was just now watching a Cuba Dave video. And he was saying that it was no good coming to Sosua looking to meet a girl to marry or take back to United States, . Because she would not be happy and the husband would acquire many dependents. . Therefore it was better just to prostitute the girls for an hour.
Although this might seem like conventional wisdom here, I can see how a lot of people would find this very offensive. After all, if the beautiful DR girls aren't good wife material, why not just walk away from them? Why recommend that other men should get into prostitution.
Well I guess he will eventually get a chance to explain his philosophy and how it serves the greater good.[/QUOTE]What I find more interesting is that you want him to explain his philosophy and you start this thread but you (someone who was / is married to a Dominicana) is reluctant to share your philosophy. This should be a topic where your expertise would apply.
I will support your thread as you have supported mine: I don't think it is very wise to bring a Dominicana back to the States, I think it is better to enjoy them in their culture in the DR. In my worldly travels one thing that comes into play is how brainwashed they are with the culture. Dominicanas are brainwashed IMO to worship the Dominicano / culture and do not adjust well to other cultures. The Asians are more submissive and are looking for a better life even if it means making the adjustment to other cultures. I find even the Colombians seek a better life as long as you can keep up the finances. I have seen first hand Dominicanas leave a good situation in the States with a foreigner and go running back to the DR to live humbly with a Dominicano and the culture. Canadians and Germans have married Dominicanas only to have them get bored in Canada and Germany and return to the DR two years later with nothing. They realize they are hooked on the culture and can't make the adjustment to other cultures.
Also the culture plays a part with the dependents. When a Dominicana tells a foreigner that he doesn't love her because he won't help her brothers and sisters financially and she can't be with him, that a problem. I agree that the foreigner should maybe help the mother but how far does the extended family go?
You ask"If the beautiful DR girls aren't wife material, why not walk away from them? Its simple, we want to fuck these beautiful girls and not marry them. Why marry a girl who can't separate from the culture for a better life?
I base my opinion on situations I have experienced in the DR when guys marry these girls. As I look around in the States I see Dominicanas married to Dominicanos, sure they might fuck a foreigner in the States but they settle down with someone in the culture. I see more successful relationships in the DR where the guy moves there and becomes a part of the culture You have first hand knowledge but are reluctant to share this part of you life and I respect that, but since you started this thread maybe you can let us into your life and share your experiences about being married to a Dominicana in the States.
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[QUOTE=MrGogo;1773043]... the guy moves there and becomes a part of the culture.[/QUOTE]If you want to do that successfully, a lobotomy is recommended.
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[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1773356]If you want to do that successfully, a lobotomy is recommended.[/QUOTE]It's too much available pussy on the island for ME to move there and have a successful relationship with one woman but the odds are better for someone who wants one woman to move there instead of taking her to another culture. You are a prime example of someone who has moved there and and has been successfully. If you don't agree then why are you still there? You have been in the DR for many years.
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[QUOTE=MrGogo;1773043]What I find more interesting is that you want him to explain his philosophy and you start this thread but you (someone who was / is married to a Dominicana) is reluctant to share your philosophy. This should be a topic where your expertise would apply.
I will support your thread as you have supported mine: I don't think it is very wise to bring a Dominicana back to the States, I think it is better to enjoy them in their culture in the DR. In my worldly travels one thing that comes into play is how brainwashed they are with the culture. Dominicanas are brainwashed IMO to worship the Dominicano / culture and do not adjust well to other cultures. The Asians are more submissive and are looking for a better life even if it means making the adjustment to other cultures. I find even the Colombians seek a better life as long as you can keep up the finances. I have seen first hand Dominicanas leave a good situation in the States with a foreigner and go running back to the DR to live humbly with a Dominicano and the culture. Canadians and Germans have married Dominicanas only to have them get bored in Canada and Germany and return to the DR two years later with nothing. They realize they are hooked on the culture and can't make the adjustment to other cultures.
Also the culture plays a part with the dependents. When a Dominicana tells a foreigner that he doesn't love her because he won't help her brothers and sisters financially and she can't be with him, that a problem. I agree that the foreigner should maybe help the mother but how far does the extended family go?
You ask"If the beautiful DR girls aren't wife material, why not walk away from them? Its simple, we want to fuck these beautiful girls and not marry them. Why marry a girl who can't separate from the culture for a better life?
I base my opinion on situations I have experienced in the DR when guys marry these girls. As I look around in the States I see Dominicanas married to Dominicanos, sure they might fuck a foreigner in the States but they settle down with someone in the culture. I see more successful relationships in the DR where the guy moves there and becomes a part of the culture You have first hand knowledge but are reluctant to share this part of you life and I respect that, but since you started this thread maybe you can let us into your life and share your experiences about being married to a Dominicana in the States.[/QUOTE]Actually I did not really intend to start a new thread, but had some difficulties posting from a phone and was not able to delete the new section as I had wished.
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I think you have misunderstood pretty much everything I meant to say.
I don't disagree that transnational relationships can be tricky, but you just have to look around to see that plenty of people try them, some with success and some without. For example presidential candidate Jeb Bush has been married to his Mexican wife since the 1970's and from what I can make out, they are still happy together, at least from body language in photos you can find online. And he has apparently happily transitioned to speaking Spanish athome and was able to be a successful and popular two-term governor of Florida. (Not saying I like the guy, but that is another matter.) It is entirely possible that he will be the next president of the US, though at the current time his prospects look to be fading.
Not long ago I mentioned the very sad case of a beautiful young Haitian woman I knew who died recently in childbirth in the Netherlands when she was a having her second child, leaving her Dutch husband devasted and holding a small motherless child to raise. No one here commented on that.
Perhaps this is the kind of negative outcome that Cuba Dave wanted to warn against.
However, you can also see in the DR plenty of blended families with beautiful, happy children that seem to be succeeding as families. So you can make the argument whichever way you want, but clearly there are a lot of young Dominican women who leave the island to marry and try to make their way in the world, some successfully, and some not. I don't think anyone would really disagree with that point.
But from acknowledging that transnational relationships are difficult, it is quite a jump to conclude that it is better to avoid relationships and pay young women for sex by the hour in acts of prostitution, which is what Cuba Dave was doing in the video I referred to. Under President Jeb Bush could Cuba Dave expect to have diplomatic pressure exerted on behalf of his efforts to educate gullible men on the wiles of foreign women?
Why does Cuba Dave not set up educational charities to help these young women get an education, for example, instead of paying them for sex? I think we know the answer to that--his real aim is to promote prostitution and anything else he says is just cover.
It does not surprise me that people in the destination countries might find that offensive. Supposing I was to start on online business and Website where the line I wanted to promote was that men should travel from Europe to the US to find poor, uneducated African American women in the ghettoes of US cities and offer them money to fuck them for money on an hourly basis, would that not cause offense to some people in the US, maybe even powerful people like politicians, legislators, judges, and prosecutors?
I am not asking Cuba Dave to defend his philosophy here. I am just saying that at some point he will probably have the opportunity to go before a judge and explain why his Web site, videos, and books are all good and in the interest of both male tourists and their local female friends. Whether the court will agree with him or not remains to be seen. Perhaps he is very persuasive.
Everything I write about on this board comes from personal experience in one sense or another, but I have no desire to write about vulnerable people I know who are not part of the paid sex industry, so I am constrained when it comes to personal anecdotes. All I would say is that any relationship is the product of the personalities involved and that one has to be very careful about generalizing in the way that Cuba Dave does.
In my opinion, for what it is worth, Cuba Dave is not really interested in improving international relations, he just wants to promote himself and promote prostitution for profit. OK, I have never met the guy, I have just seen his Internet output, and maybe in person he is quite different from the way he appears to me. So be it. Those who wish are free to donate to his defense fund. It is their money.
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[QUOTE=Frannie;1773366]Actually I did not really intend to start a new thread, but had some difficulties posting from a phone and was not able to delete the new section as I had wished.
However.
I think you have misunderstood pretty much everything I meant to say.
I don't disagree that transnational relationships can be tricky, but you just have to look around to see that plenty of people try them, some with success and some without. For example presidential candidate Jeb Bush has been married to his Mexican wife since the 1970's and from what I can make out, they are still happy together, at least from body language in photos you can find online. And he has apparently happily transitioned to speaking Spanish athome and was able to be a successful and popular two-term governor of Florida. (Not saying I like the guy, but that is another matter.) It is entirely possible that he will be the next president of the US, though at the current time his prospects look to be fading.
Not long ago I mentioned the very sad case of a beautiful young Haitian woman I knew who died recently in childbirth in the Netherlands when she was a having her second child, leaving her Dutch husband devasted and holding a small motherless child to raise. No one here commented on that...[/QUOTE]Okay, your marriage to a Dominicana is something that you choose not to discuss with this board. I'm sure your expertise would help people further understand that dynamic but I also understand that it is something you don't want to share on a public forum.
With that said, I wish Cuba Dave well as he deals with the authorities and I wish you and Sir Charles well as you search for happiness in your golden years.
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Donations
I would be interested to know whether people are donating to the Free Cubadave fund and how much. Didn't CD advise against sending Western Union money overseas to people with hard luck stories?
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[QUOTE=Frannie;1773598]I would be interested to know whether people are donating to the Free Cubadave fund and how much. Didn't CD advise against sending Western Union money overseas to people with hard luck stories?[/QUOTE]Frannie, I like you well enough. You are very helpful, even answered some of my questions once upon a time. But your focus on CD's troubles is coming off as almost gleeful. I just don't get it. If you don't like him, fine. But being joyful about a guy being thrown in prison in a foreign country for something as weak and innocuous as Facebook postings makes no sense.
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[QUOTE=Henley100;1773715]Frannie, I like you well enough. You are very helpful, even answered some of my questions once upon a time. But your focus on CD's troubles is coming off as almost gleeful. I just don't get it. If you don't like him, fine. But being joyful about a guy being thrown in prison in a foreign country for something as weak and innocuous as Facebook postings makes no sense.[/QUOTE]I sympathize with anyone thrown into prison, including in the United States, where the prisons are also pretty unpleasant. In the past, I have worked in such places and spent many a long hour behind bars.
I am not sure of the details of what Cubadave is being charged with, so I will hold fire on that one. People have been imprisoned for Facebook or Twitter postings before, for example in England, so that is nothing new.
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fabrice-muamba-tweets[/URL]
However the fact remains that Cubadave must have known the risks he was taking, but decided to continue to promote what he apparently believes in anyway. Hopefully he will eventually be able to put forward his side of the argument.
I still think it is interesting that Cubadave also has an invisible business partner who has access to change the content of his [URL]cubadave.com[/URL] Web site and start an appeal for his defense in which it is claimed that all money collected will be used for his defense. How many casual Facebook posters can say the same? It seems to me that the person making these posts could provide a lot more detailed information about what is going on, if he really wanted to.
I don't see what is wrong with asking whether posters on this board have contributed to the fund and how much. It is just interesting.
Just for the record, I don't really agree with a central position of the Cubadave philosophy which is that it is best to travel to destinations like the DR and CR just to rent girls bodies by the hour. Over more than a decade of travel to such destinations, I have had three long term relationships, which has proved to be immeasurably rewarding, and have occasionally used paid sexual encounters to fulfill various fantasies, exhaust curiosity, experience sexual liberation, and so on. In my opinion these long term relationships have been of much greater value to me than any brief encounters. In my opinion the real value to travel to such destinations is the potential for longer term relationships. Of course I am not saying that it is a good idea to try to turn bar prostitutes into wives, any more than I would recommend courting a stripper in the US. Such individuals will nearly always come with far too much baggage. However, once you visit these countries and get a grasp of the language, there is a lot of potential for meeting interesting women.
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The Free Cuba Dave website says he is a construction worker. But he himself said he did not have to work because he made money just being who he was. I'm just sayin'. Bit of a contradiction there.
But I don't agree with Frannie that Latin America is a good place to go looking for long-term relationships, either. Happy for him he has found three that worked. Most of the guys I know who've married or had long term relationships with latinas have regretted they ever met them. Not just talking about (former?) hooker either.
Hopefully not too many people are experiencing schadenfreude about what has happened to Cuba Dave.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1774117]But I don't agree with Frannie that Latin America is a good place to go looking for long-term relationships, either. Happy for him he has found three that worked. [/QUOTE]But then neither is North America by all accounts, especially if you listen to contemporary popular music. Not a lot of moon in June. I have been with my current girl for some years and could not be happier. The thing about Latin America is that there are lots of very attractive younger women who willing to have relationships with older men. In North America not so much so, I would say.
If I were in prison in Latin America, I think I would rather have a local novia to stop by after church on Sundays than not. But that is just me. I don't have blog followers to sustain me, so it is different.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1774117]The Free Cuba Dave website says he is a construction worker. But he himself said he did not have to work because he made money just being who he was. I'm just sayin'. Bit of a contradiction there.[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to know how much he makes per month from the blog activities. Of course at 65 he may also be drawing Social Security, and may have a pension from the military or from employment, or from a 401 K or something of that kind. Of course the imprisonment may be a goldmine if vast contributions pour in. I seem to remember that George Zimmerman netted more than 100 K without being particularly appealing.
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[QUOTE=Frannie;1772866]I was just now watching a Cuba Dave video. And he was saying that it was no good coming to Sosua looking to meet a girl to marry or take back to United States, . Because she would not be happy and the husband would acquire many dependents. . Therefore it was better just to prostitute the girls for an hour.
Although this might seem like conventional wisdom here, I can see how a lot of people would find this very offensive. After all, if the beautiful DR girls aren't good wife material, why not just walk away from them? Why recommend that other men should get into prostitution.
Well I guess he will eventually get a chance to explain his philosophy and how it serves the greater good.[/QUOTE]This will be a big story when it hits CNN or whatever. First of its kind. Hope they don't send news crews down to report in front of SL or DR. I've made 8 trips to DR and 5 I think to CR. A lot of people at work know & family, friends. I mean rain forest and beach trips. I'm divorced so who cares. Covers are going to be blown. I can see the female reporters on CNN now, its going to be fun.
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[QUOTE=Frannie;1774170]Of course at 65 he may also be drawing Social Security[/QUOTE]Well, that will stop if he's incarcerated [B]after conviction[/B] of a felony. So, in this case the Byzantine nature of the Napoleonic system may work in his favor.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1774117]Most of the guys I know who've married or had long term relationships with latinas have regretted they ever met them. Not just talking about (former?) hookers either.[/QUOTE]Very true, but it may be that they are the sort of guys who would fuck up long-term relationships anywhere, and the reason they have gone to Latin America or the Caribbean is that they could not make relationships "stick" in their own countries. For example, I was twice married and twice divorced in the UK. Had either of those marriages lasted I would not have had the incentive, the opportunity, or the money to holiday abroad alone.
I know lots of guys here in the DR who have had failed long-term relationships with local girls. They include alcoholics, drug-addicts, bullies, serial philanderers and crushing bores, so it is not all down to the failings of the chicas.