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Euro,
From what you say, are girls in a placve like SUDFASS more risk averse than an FKK provider? Will a girl working for SUDFASS never work in an FKK environment?
If you go by that logic are the girls in SUDFASS better quality than an average FKK provider? I am sure there are several 9-10s in FKK, but I am thinking of average (judging quality with price).
Very curious.
Many thanks for your inputs.
[QUOTE=Kuber]Euro,
From what you say, are girls in a placve like SUDFASS more risk averse than an FKK provider? Will a girl working for SUDFASS never work in an FKK environment?
If you go by that logic are the girls in SUDFASS better quality than an average FKK provider? I am sure there are several 9-10s in FKK, but I am thinking of average (judging quality with price).
Very curious.
Many thanks for your inputs.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure. I have seen some very fine girls at Sudfass, but that is also true at the main FKKs. There are also some not so fine girls in both venues, and in my opinion the average quality in terms of looks is about the same.
Yes, the girls in Sudfass are definitely more risk averse, and the majority of them woul dnever work in an FKK. On average, and that is just my subjective impression, they seem to be newer to the job, too.
On a couple of occasions I had the opportunity to do girls on their first day as a hooker at Sudfass. With one, you would have never known this, and I only learned it later. She was already acting like a pro.
But the other was very interesting. Downstairs in the bar she was the only one with a bra on, sitting away from everybody in a corner. She looked really fine, and so I sat down with her and chatted with her. First she acted really hesistant, but then sensed that I wanted to be nce to her. So we talked for over an hour. She told me that that day was her first attempt at hooking, and that she had not yet done a trick. Medical student at Uni frankfurt, needed a bit of extra spending money. OK, I didn't believe it. But when I got up to get a drink from the machine (the charge low entrance fee, but then you have to buy each drink), one of the regular girls that I knew came over to me and asked me if I had enough of chatting with the virgin and if I was ready for her. So I went back to the "virgin". Had a nice gentle one-hour session with her to break her in, so to say. Yummy!
euro
Artemis was built for 5 million EUR, I am wondering if its going to recoup its investment. There's an article about it and Atlantis on Wikipedia with nice article about prostitution in Germany.
[QUOTE=Euro100]50 euro has been the standard ever since the introduction of the euro. And before then it had been 100 DM for quite a while. So there really seems to be 0 inflation in this business.
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What about the World Cup? Think the prices will go up 'cause of the tourist traffic, and stay there?
Arnie,
In general I doubt it.
I think tourist towns like Berlin and Hamburg will definitely try to jack up prices, but i doubt the other clubs will. some of the cheapo clubs like Freudenbergstr 39 in Bochum, who change theire prices all the time anyway, will probably try to, but i don't see the general level going up.
If the clubs are smart they will just take the increased traffic for a one time boost in business, but raising the prices isn't going to work at the moment. Remember that clubs like Schieferhof have also dramatically dropped their prices since the euro (was 150dm a session and 70DM entrance). In the meantime they have raised the entrance fee to 70€, but dropped the room price to 50€. so pretty much a visit with one room costs the same as before, but it has lead to a lot more multi-session visits by the customers, which makes the girls happier.
50€ is also such a round number with a bill available and stuff, i cannot see the prices going up to something you always need change for.
Most of the world Championship people will probably end up making the tourist mistake of heading into RLD's. I guess the clubs have to figure out methods of marketing. I see World having one of those fancy busses waiting outside of the Waldstadion in frankfurt, waiting to pick up fans directly from the game. I can't wait to see the Ads in the "Hallo" section of the Bild Newspaper, that will be a real study in marketing.
German FKKs are often pretty difficult to spot, they are in the most unassuming of places, one club I know in Bonn is located behind a garage another one is located across a fruit market in an old and run down building. One club I went to, a couple of ladies asked how I was able to find it, I used the Gelbe Seiten and the internet map service. Its kind of an indirect way of saying they cater to locals but most good clubs don't mind visitors except for a few red carpet establishments. Artemis is going to have to earn 5 million EUR to recoup its costs, a very risky gamble, the lineup is nowhere near as good as NRW and Hessen area clubs(with all the EE women in the NRW clubs I'm sure they got connections to the Russian or other EE mafia). Clubs of its size usually get about 1000 a visitors a week or roughly 50,000EUR to 60,000EUR in revenue from entrance fees, a good
chunk of that will go to overhead, probably about half left over. Artemis is going to have to average 200 guests a day to recoup its costs. Unlike touristy locales like Amsterdam which specifically attract tourists interested in sexual services, most German clubs rely upon repeat business from locals, and these customers don't part with their money easily.
Nicki, who works at Wildenrath has just been diagnosed with cancer. i visited her in the hospital today, and the news doesn't sound great. she remains in good spirits, but i am worried about her. She was never my dream girl, actually way out of my normal profile, but one of the nicest girls to talk to I know.
I would request that anyone here who is religious (I actually am, believe it or not) to please pray for her in the next few days.
[url]http://www.6-relax.de/nici/nici/b.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Peter]Nicki, who works at Wildenrath has just been diagnosed with cancer. i visited her in the hospital today, and the news doesn't sound great. she remains in good spirits, but i am worried about her. She was never my dream girl, actually way out of my normal profile, but one of the nicest girls to talk to I know.
I would request that anyone here who is religious (I actually am, believe it or not) to please pray for her in the next few days.
[url]http://www.6-relax.de/nici/nici/b.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
She certainly would make my dream-girl list. I remember seeing some shots of her on PSW's site. Sad news indeed.
Thanks for letting us know.
Dedalus
I've been reading these pages for some time now and felt that I should offer something in return for the valuable information I've received. Last Monday (12th Dec.) myself and a friend visited Heaven's Gate FKK in Dorsten. The reason we chose this is because of favourable reports given on this site recently. We were not to be dissappointed. This place is a bot out of the way but well worth the effort. We hired a car and drove up form Dusseldorf, there's not much point in me telling you how to get there you can enter the address into [url]www.map24.com[/url] and print out directions from wherever you are coming from. The entry fee was €25 and it was €35 for 20mins which included BBBJ. I think it cost €25 for a session with a covered BJ, my friend got one of these because he wanted to see what the difference was, having being spoilt on previous visits to FKK clubs and never experiencing a covered BJ! All the girls asked first what you preferred and it did not seem to matter to them either way. All the prices are clearly marked on signs in the club.
After paying you head down to the locker room and shower area which is a bit pokey but serves the purpose I suppose. The girls also use these showers so you could have some pleasant company if your timing is right. After showering we headed upstairs and I was keen to fire my first shot for the day. There were a couple of girls sitting in a dark room that is between the reception area and the main lounge and it was difficult to get a look at them. We proceeded to the main lounge and there were 4-5 girls hanging about. I approached a good loooking blonde who had been gyrating on the couch. I like bubbly expressive girls as they usually make the whole experience better (she had lovely tits too!). Anyhow she was finished fooling about and was talking to her friend (a not so lovely brunette). As there were very few clients in the place it can be a long walk (psychology) across the floor to sit beside the girl. When I sat down I asked her did she speak english, she said no and immediatly turned to continue talking to her friend. I was thinking that I made a bad move, because bad manners like this does nothing for me. However her friend said that she spoke english and asked was I interested in taking the two of them to a room (there is no couch action in this place). The idea of taking two girls to a room appealed to me but not on my first session and not with this brunnett, so I declined saying that I wanted to take the blonde to a room. The blonde stood up and bekoned me to follow her which I dutifully did and we went upstairs. As soon as we went into the room she warmed to the task in hand and gave me a wonderful BBBJ, I had to keep stopping her because I was on the brink but wanted the session to last. I finished up going at it doggie fashion and thought the session was worth every cent of the €35. I went with five girls over the day with only one dissappointment (a thin ukrainian girl). I had one spectacular double session with a girl called Angie who is one reason for me to go back there.
The standard of girls in this place is second to none and there are plenty of them. It's a pity there is no couch action in HG I first experienced that in Oase and it certainly did it for me. I would highly recommend HG for a visit, it's well worth the trip.
Dear friends,
As suggestions of this forum permitted me to spend an unforgettable nite in FKK Palace when I recently had to go to Frankfurt, and as I am due to go to Strasbourg now, I was wondering whether any of you has suggestions on FKKs reasonably close to the French city which might be worth a visit.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Sventra Tope]Dear friends,
As suggestions of this forum permitted me to spend an unforgettable nite in FKK Palace when I recently had to go to Frankfurt, and as I am due to go to Strasbourg now, I was wondering whether any of you has suggestions on FKKs reasonably close to the French city which might be worth a visit.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Try Famingo Island.
Dedalus
Flamingo Island in Ettlingen at 80 km is probably the closest FKK from Strasbourg. I have never been there, but check the FAQ for more info.
Else there are two FKK close to the french border, one is in Saarbrucken ( about 120km from Strasbourg), the other in Neunkirchen (about 150km). They have the same pricing and opening time as well as similar facilities. Dressing code is naked for the girls and towels for men. There is a bit couch action, but not very much. Girls are not supposed to come to you, but you can easily discuss with the girls without to be pressured to go for a session. I would recommended rather the one in Saarbrucken, you are more likely to find more girls here. Both clubs are rather small clubs, they are not to be compared to the Frankfurt top Clubs.
However, I have been in FKK 214 about 2-3 years ago, there were a dozen girls, aged 20-30, rated 7-9, with a good ethnical mix (One African two Thai, one Moroccan, the others were German and Eastern European). Management is very welcoming to first timers, girls are extremely friendly in this intimate club. Facilities are not big but nice and clean, especially the rooms.
I had three sessions, and this is fairly unusual, not only one, but all three sessions were extremely GFE. THe first one gave me a free massage after the 30 min session. When I asked if she would charge me for that, she smiled and answered: "No, relax, you are in paradise!". The second one stayed also with me for free after the 30min session, for nearly half an hour naked in bed, side by side, discussing about the men/women issue. I finished also with the third one nicely discussing for an hour once back on the couch,as we had something personal in common. I met her again in Goldentime two years later. She told me that FKK-214 was doing quiete well, a lot of French mongerers had discovered that FKK paradise was not very far from France. According to her you can expect now about 20 girls.
FKK-Club 214 Saarbrücken
Luisenthaler Str. 214 66115 SAARBRÜCKEN
Phone: 0681-776420 or 776430
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage : [url]http ://www.fkk-saarbruecken.com[/url]
Entrance : 55€
Prices: starting from 50€/Girl, BBBJ +25€
Misc.: Swimmingpool, Sauna, Solarium, non-alcoholic drink
FKK-Club Neunkirchen
Betzenhölle 20 66538 NEUNKIRCHEN
Phone: 06821-865606
Open: Mon-Sat 11am-2am and Sun 6pm-2am
Homepage: [url]http://www.fkk-neunkirchen.com[/url]
Entrance: 55€
Prices: 50€/Girl, French without condom +25€
Misc.: Whirlpool, Sauna, Biosauna, Solarium, Garden
Routard,
Your posts are always very useful and clear. Ever thought about publishing a "lonely planet guide"? I would bet it might become a best-seller!
Thanks again
Routard's useful report below on i.a. the Saar clubs didn't quite get the prices right for Neunkirchen.
For the past year the entrance has been EUR 50 and EUR 50 gets you BBBJ now as standard.
Was there last Thursday. An OK day in terms of numbers (10-12 girls), but not so great on the quality under the Xmas tree. Pick of the girls was a dark-haired Hungarian called Adriana, who formerly worked for a while in FKK World and FI in Ettlingen.
thanks for the update, Toscana.
[QUOTE=Sventra Tope]Your posts are always very useful and clear. Ever thought about publishing a "lonely planet guide"? I would bet it might become a best-seller!
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Yes, I am working on it, but the exact name will be "Horny Planet Guide". But I'm still looking for a publisher. Just PM me if somebody knows one!
I'm not joking, although it has nothing to do about my ISG reports which are based on personal experience, and my humble mongering experience is based only on 20 countries, which is 10% of the planet.
It all started a few years ago when I was afraid that *************archives could disappear from the net, I copied everything on my PC. Later, I started to make a cut/paste with only the releavant info. I continued this for years with the other forums, and of course ISG. Believe me, some ISG threads like Thailand or USA are boring, 99% of waste! I now have a 600 page document covering 200 countries and 100% info. It is designed for personal use only, and I have it on my PDA when travelling.
I'm now rewriting everything with my own words, which makes it more confortable to read. I wonder if it could be published, as there might be some legal issues. And of course I want to stay anonymous.