Select "Add New Message" to post a message.
Printable View
Select "Add New Message" to post a message.
Safe sex is a relative thing, It is nearly imposible for a male to get AIDS from a blowjob unless he has open sores on his penis and the person sucking him has open sores in her/his mouth. It is also very unlikely that a man will get AIDS from intercourse with an infected woman, unless he has open sores on his penis.
The most common causes of getting AIDS are when drug addicts share needles, or from anal sex. Homosexual men where the first group to be identified with AIDS. Gay men that had anal sex would spread the virus to the men they fucked.
Once safe sex practices became common most gay men stopped having anal sex without condoms and that made the virus much less common among gay men. Unfortunately the virus still spread between drug users who would share needles.
Also the virus spread through third world countries that did not educate people about safe sex practices. In many parts of Africa the virus spreads through hetrosexual (male-female)sex. There are a few reasons for that and some of those include a common practice of anal sex to avoid pregnancy, a common practice of body peircing of the scrotum and penis in some cultures, and lack of health care to treat common venereal diseases that cause open wounds on the genitals.
This forum is for men who want to have sex with women so our main concern should be to avoid getting common sexually transmitted diseases.
Wearing condoms is the most effective way to do that, but you can still get herpes and some other viruses even if you wear condoms because they only cover part of you. There is always some risk.
Brett,
I wonder, let's say you get a bbbj from a girl who takes it in her mouth, or swallows. She may have had many guys before you that day or night. Wouldn't you say that shoots down the minimal risk when receiving a bj theory?
GuessWho,
Why would that make any difference? If she swallows the sperm it is gone and dead in an acidic environment. In her mouth, saliva has a negative affect on the HIV virus, although nothing like stomach acid. Don't you think she will have a glass of water, food or maybe even brush her teeth before having sex with you? The HIV virus is relatively delicate and is not going to last in her mouth for a long period of time. No cases of HIV thru kissing or oral sex have been reported. But there has been a study of homosexual men in SF who had routine oral sex without condoms with KNOWN HIV infected partners. At the end of the study, no one was HIV+. None of this proves anything except that it is extremely dificult to get the virus though oral transmission - either giving or receiving.
I suppose you are thinking that she has a mouthful of sperm at the point that she gives you a BBBJ and that the pool of HIV infected semen in her mouth could travel up your urethra and infect you. Not very likely - but I suppose possible. Try talking with her first! Or offer her a breath mint or one of the new Listerine Oral Care Strips - which supposedly kill germs, but at least make your breath smell good!
Hi guess who..glad to see you here. I think the last post covered it. It is not easy to get HIV through the penis. Even if she has full blown AIDS its not likely you would get it from her. The study quoted in the last post is correct, and many others involving prostitutes show that getting AIDS through sex is not easy. Almost none of the prostitutes studied had the virus except the ones that use needles to shoot drugs. The bad news is that a very high number of prostitutes are drug users so many did have the virus. Still a man is unlikely to get AIDS from an infected female unless he has open sores.(even then its not likely) The one very dangerous thing to do is anal sex. Thats because the ass is not meant for fucking and there is usually some bleeding involved, If the guy doing the fucking has AIDS then he may pass the virus to the woman or man he is fucking. Mostly men are reasonably safe from getting AIDS sexually unless they have open sores that come into contact with an infected persons body fluids. Or they allow another man to fuck them in their ass. Gay men get it mostly through anal sex, oral sex is not a high risk. The most common way of getting AIDS now is through sharing needles to use drugs. But if you already have a sexually transmitted disease then you may have the open sores that could allow the virus into your body.................The simple way to say it is there are two high risk things that you should never do. ..1......Do not share needles to shoot up drugs. ..2...Do not allow a man to fuck you in your ass.......If you avoid those two things you are at low risk...........
Brett,
While I agree with almost your entire post, you leave the impression that unprotected sex with a prostitute is OK. I would NEVER have intercorse with a pro (vaginal or anal) without using a condom. All reputable sources recommend this, not only for AIDS prevention, but all other STD's. BBBJ is probably safe from an AIDS perspective, but other STD's are possible( i.e. herpes). I always use a condom for BJ's because it makes me feel safer and I can sleep at night knowing I have protected myself at the highest possible level. I also use anti-bacterial soap or "Handi-Wipes" after sex for the same reason. Needless to say I have never had any STD, but it is likely that my level of protection is a bit of overkill. But either way, unprotected intercourse is a very bad idea. . .
-P
Brett,
Let me add that AIDS is not the only STD you need fear ... even if you don't wear a condom to protect you from AIDS, wear one to protect you from a multitude of other nasty (very contagious) STD's.
David
hey guys,
i appreciate your responses. i'll also add i never have intercourse with a prostitute. i guess i'm just scared shitless, protected or not. the only thing i ever do is get bj's. but i'll admit, sometimes its a bbbj. a while back i thought i had something. when i urinated it felt like fire was coming out, no discharge though. i immediatley saw a doctor who specialized in std's. he took a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample and said i had nothing. i guess if you have an infestion of some sort that white blood cells collect as they fight it off and show up in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]. he did tell me that alot of caffeine or soda can sometimes cause this to happen as well. needless to say i drank gallons of water and was fine. anyone ever have anything like that?
There are multiple causes of burning with urination(which in medical jargon is called "dysuria"), but I am not aware of caffeine being one of them. I am glad you're doing better now.
There is no question that certain types of sexual activity carry a higher risk and certain others are relatively "low" risk. In my opinion however, when it comes to the HIV infection, even a "low" risk of exposure is too high a risk. Any prostitute is HIV positive unless proven otherwise. Therefore I recommend condoms for any kind of sexual activity with a prostitute -no exceptions. Have fun, but do it intelligently. J.G.
J.G.
I hear ya, I didn't know about the caffeine either. However, he's the doc and I put trust in that. I told a buddy about him and it turned out he coincidentally saw him previously for a similar episode. He needed treatment though unfortunately. The doc also said I may have had something but fought it off. Who knows, but thankfully nothing showed up. I've heard horror stories of having to get your dick reamed, then antibiotics. I guess that's heaven compared to other things you can catch.
Braces are dangerous. They can cause open sores on the young girls gums. And that can cause her to get aids, if she's going down on some guy who has aids, and gets some of his come onto that sore.
Current fad amoung young hookers in Matamoros is to buy braces. Even though they might not really need em. They are fashionable. But they make me nervous.....
Does the doctor agree with that point?
Curious I've been hangin out extensively with *****s for the last three years in Matamoros, and have yet to even hear of my first aids victim. But I've also yet to meet a needle using druggie there. There is a certain amount of MJ, coke, and crack, but no mainlining of anything.
Thank God.....
Hi guys, it is important to use condoms because AIDS is not the only STD out there. Also keep in mind that a condom does not protect you from everything. Herpes can still be transmitted because the condom does not cover your whole body and any skin contact can lead to possible transmission.(most likely at the base of the penis) Also a condom will not prevent you from getting an infestation of lice commonly called "crabs" and crabs do not start to itch until a week or two after you get them. (crabs are easy to get rid of with a cream you get at the drug store) I have had unprotected oral sex with dozens of women and protected sex with more than I can count . I have never had any STD but thats just dumb luck. The rate of AIDS has gone way down as a sexually transmmited disease because gay men understand the risk of anal sex, but other sexually transmited diseases are still going strong so wear a condom and if your in a relationship you should think twice about your personal risk
Since this is the WSG, there is another dimension of safe sex besides protecting yourself from STDs that I would like to add.
That is.. sex without getting into "trouble." I only deal with incalls and only apartment workers. I don't want anyone knowing where I live or in my house. I prefer to be one-on-one with the woman, I don't like other guys or even other women around which is why I prefer apartments.
I don't deal with street action- much too risky for me. Once or twice I hung out with the fellas and had a little street action but I wouldn't do it alone. I also prefer foreign women. They're usually very respectful and really want to please you. I've also noticed that they are more comfortable with their sexuality and enjoy it more. I've had many situations where I paid for 30 mins. and ended up staying for over an hour because they enjoyed it so much and didn't want to stop. One even asked me for my phone number telling me that she wanted to see me outside of "the business." It may seem limiting but I feel comfortable with my approach to this. I don't need to do this but I love women and this is a way to have plenty without all of the headaches...lol.
Excellent point. Safe sex has many parameters. Not getting robbed is key to safe sex. Picking up street walkers is very dangerous. They look like they are alone but they are not. BUT I don't think incall is that safe either. You never know who is in the closet or filming you or taking down your plate number to blackmail you. I like to have the woman come to my hotel (outcall) and would use hotels even if it were my home town. I know this drives up the cost in the short run but there is cost and then there is cost.
I prepare the room by, among other things, disconnecting the phone and putting it in the safe along with my other valuables. I have everything like the fee, condoms, lube, toys, etc., ready in the bed side table so I don't have to let the gal out of my sight. I make sure to have the correct change but then I have some extra money stashed in a convenient place in case I need some extras. This helps you stick to a budget also.
You gotta watch your ID as close as you watch your wallet. Not only are stolen IDs valuable by themselves but there is the potential for blackmail and burglary. Everybody knows about keeping stuff in their socks but I like to also tape the wad to the inside of the sock.
Also, if you order a hooker from a cabbie, don't give him your room number. Meet the gal in the bar or lobby. This is also why I don't like ordering hookers from bellhops or desk clerks; they already know your room number.
Play safe, live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse.
Dickhead
I agree with you guys on the many parameters to safe sex. I myself don't do incall. Reason being is there's your room, the shit in it, and your car all with your name on them. Also, you don't know whose going to show up there. I can see why you'd do it that way, it's just not for me. Although street action is risky, I prefer it. In fact I know where a number of girls hang in different towns so many times I see the same one over and over. I also enjoy the hunt, some nights nothing happens but it's just as fun to scout and try new areas. Anyway, I also enjoy the variety which also makes it fun. You just need to play it safe in more ways than one. But man, is this shit addicting or what?
Very good points about incall. Believe it or not being filmed actually crossed my mind once. If the room has a closet in it, when the girl leaves to let me get undressed, sometimes I check!
I don't have to worry about someone taking down my plate number since I don't have car but that's a very good point to keep in mind.
It's true that you don't know who is going to show up or if someone else has a key to the apartment etc... I guess that's the major risk factor here.
This takes me back to the point about only patronizing foreign women. Most of those antics are usually associated with American or "Americanized" establishments. Many of the women I've patronized can barely speak english never mind conjure up some sophisticated scheme. They're usually new to this country, as I usually find out in conversation, and just don't want any trouble. It's possible someone could be behind them doing it so you still have to play it safe.
Very good points DH & GW... thanks I'll keep my eye on those closets...lol
Hi,
I shall admit it, I am one of those crazy guys who like having sex with addict girls. Hey, let me take cover before flaming away! I like them for reasons of my own, but I only get blowjobs with condom, so I feel pretty safe... at least as far as AIDS is concerned. Also, I carefully wash my intimate parts as soon as I get back home.
What do the experts out there think about the safety issue in this case? Are there widely spread sexual diseases that can be transmitted by mere spittle? Is kissing their breasts and caressing their asses safe? Should I go to a doctor and check for sexual deseases on a regular basis?
All tips appreciated -- please excuse my stuttering English.
Viator
i like to have the rush of sex without a condom. i don't know what it is.
i always have conversation with the girl first, then if she sounds alright i'll let her give me head without a condom.
if i am horny enough for a piece of her ass i ask her questions like do you use drugs and how many guys do you have sex with on any given night, also i check her **** for any scrapes or scars.
if they act fishy i fuck them but with a condom.
if they say they use drugs, i ask what type most are weed and crack if any.
if it is not a needle drug i fuck them without a condom.
if they say they only sleep with a couple guys a night then i fuck them without a condom, aslong as i believe them.
i say play by your own rules.
be safe and as long as you like it do it.
happy hunting
-- also i check her **** for any scrapes or scars.
cumhoner,
i wonder what a street ***** would say if i asked her to let me inspect her pussy for scrapes... :-] are you a gynecologist, or what?
besides, it only happened once that a heroin addict admitted to me of being such -- and i asked lots of them. with time i have learned that what they say is totally worthless; they're accustumed to lying to themselves and to others.
but maybe you're better than i am at talking with women... ;-)
viator
shit, don't tell me you've found scrapes!
For those of you who don't use a condom, have you tried applying Derma Shield for protection? Their Derma Plus and Derma Med products are supposed to have an anti-microbial agent that resists viruses and bacteria. It is a foam in an aerosol can that you rub on and let dry, and is intended to be used on your hands. If you have tried it for this unusual purpose, have you caught anything while using it? I'm sure it's not as good as a condom, but for those who don't use one, it might be better than nothing.
Is it just me, or are condoms a little on the short side? It seems they leave a small area at the base uncovered. It would be nice if they made one that flared at the bottom, and was long enough and wide enough to cover the testicles. I was thinking about getting some large sized ones, and see if I can stretch them this way. Has anybody tried this? Did it work? Bell bottoms are back in fashion!
Viator..I wanted to respond because you asked a few questions........I don't claim to be an expert, but I can answer. You are pretty safe if your useing a condom for a bj,,,,,,,it is possible to get herpes because the condom does not cover the bottom of your penis though...I doubt she would deep throat you enough to make contact with your skin,,but its possible.....Kissing nipples is harmless......NEVER fuck without a condom . You probably wont get AIDS, but there are a dozen other sexually transmitted diseases that are much more common.
Dont bother asking these girls anything,,they lie about anything and everything........If you assume they are druggies you will be right most of the time,,even the ones who look fresh and clean are mostly drug users. I am always respectfull to sex workers...but never trust them about anything. Most will rip you off if they think your an easy mark.
I have always felt that incall is the safest (when you go to her place) because they don't want trouble there. When they come to your hotel there is usually a driver who waits outside. I don't often hear of customers getting mugged,, but it is very common to get the guys money then not perform the expected services. Many of these women will pick your pockets if given half a chance.......The bottom line is make a clear face to face agreement about exactly what she will do,,for how long and for what price. (not over the phone, it must be face to face)...Never give her any money until you are getting undressed and ready to do it. If you suspect she is trying to scam you,,9 out of 10 times,,she is.
Well, again, I want to recommend AGAINST in-call (you going to her place) in unfamiliar situations. While maybe it is true in some places in some times that she will not "want any trouble" in this environment, I believe it to be far more likely that the in-call environment will be where trouble lurks, AKA "set up." Then the problem will occur on her turf, in her hood. I don't like that, especially in Mexico.
So when I say out-call, I don't mean her place and I don't mean your place. I mean a hotel ("your" hotel). And, (again especially in Mexico) why give your own name? Pay cash, don't tell her, the motel, or anyone else your last name, don't have anything with your name on it lying around the room, and don't let her see your own car/license plate. Don't park your car anywhere near your room. Don't even mention having a car. Shit, if you can possibly avoid it, don't even HAVE a car when practicing this hobby. Too traceable and too risky.
SAFE SEX: Blend in, use public transportation, remain anonymous, keep moving, be respectful and don't burn the locals, get laid and get out safely.
Dickhead
At least in U.S., I strongly recommend INCALL, going to her place. She doesn't want trouble at her place and will be less likely to rip you off.
If she comes to your place, she will add $$ for her travelling time and she might even take off without giving you any service or ask for more $$ as your agreed price only includes a massage or strip show!
If you go to another country then hotels might be safer then incalls.
In the United States, I recommend jacking off over either incall or outcall as the vast majority of American prostitutes are worthless. Thus, my advice pertains mainly to other countries, and primarily when travelling. Somewhere else I posted some other advice as far as how not to get ripped off in your hotel room.
Dickhead
Guys,,the idea is safe sex,,,,,,,not paranoid sex.. exactly what is she going to do with your plate number,,,,,(even Bill Clinton couldn't get busted just for having a car).....I know a few guys here will claim to be international billionares that have blackmailers waiting around evry corner, but for most of us thats not a likely problem......... I have had hookers in my car more than 200 times,,I have had trouble with several, but my car was never an issue. I have had several at my apartment, no trouble there except they have a scary habit of leaving things behind that could be found by the wife or girlfriend......This might surprise a few people, but most girls will charge more for incall, because she is taking more risk at her place.......The one common scam for incall services is to claim the woman will be beutiful, with a great body etc,,then after you have paid, she somehow is not available and a very ordinary woman takes her place..........If you go to an outcall service where she comes to your hotel there are two common scams,,,one is to get your money then claim it is just for a backrub..........The other is that a few minutes after she gets to your room, her driver bangs on the door saying there is some emerrgency,,she then leaves with your money without providing service.......Very few guys get mugged or blackmailed,,also few get arrested,, but many get scammed........The name of the game for hookers is to seperate you from your money. Some do it with sex,,others with scams... Many will pick your pockets too..........There are very few hookers that can think long term enough to plan a blackmail. Their world is fast cash.......................If you want to get an escort the safest bet is the lower cost independent incalls. No false claims of 19 year olds with D cups. Just sex with a regular lady . The higher price places cost more and promise more,,but they do not deliver more.
What she can do with your plate number is find out where you live (public record, at least in my state), which happened to a married friend of mine. Then she looked up his phone number and tried to blackmail him.
So let's be careful, but not paranoid, out there.
Dickhead
> Dont bother asking these girls anything,,they lie about anything and everything........If you assume they are druggies you will be right most of the time,,even the ones who look fresh and clean are mostly drug users. I am always respectfull to sex workers...but never trust them about anything. Most will rip you off if they think your an easy mark. I have always felt that incall is the safest
Hi Brett,
I am no expert either, but that's probably a difference between prostitution in Europe and the States: it's unlikely here to get robbed by *****s, especially non-Black ones. Blacks can be a bit more dangerous. I have lots of experience in Germany and Italy, and I have always felt pretty safe. Also, I read newspapers on a regular basis, and I only read once of a trick being robbed by a hooker. Either things are a bit more friendly, or robbery is considered a deterrent to the business... :-)
A problem I noticed with addicts is that, especially as they are at the beginning of their carrier (and still looking decently fresh) they are at times pretty clumsy at blowing your dick, so that you get spittle trickling on your loins...a plastic sheet would be sufficient to deal with the problem, but I always felt it to be too ridicolous an arrangement to be proposed :-(
Any idea on this subject?
Viator
PS: a funny note - one of these desperado girls last Friday told me that she and her boyfriend needed the money I was handling her to buy their engagement rings... when they're under effect of some substance you can expect the craziest lies! Anyway, I decided to play the role, asking her if she planned to bear lots of children, and wishing her and her boyfriend long life and a happy marriage. Boy! Anyway, everything was said in a kind and relaxed fashion, and we separated in good terms.
Hey, Viator and Cumonher, I have a question for you.
Since you like to have sex without a condom (I do this with girlfriends after a few weeks), did you get any STDs, even "harmless" ones like herpes? Or did you have it already? After all, 15% have the big H.
I used to be paranoid around gfs, but after all, as long as you don't get AIDS or hep B, it's not really that big a deal.
will i get any sex diseases by finger-fucking a prosititue ?
someone told me i will catch the disease thru the sweat
on my fingers if I put it inside the girl's vagina, is this true ???
will i catch AIDS even with the condoms ? i am worried 'cus
normally condom doesnt cover the penis all the way to my
balls.l
Barber,
.
Just wash your hands afterwards and you will be fine. The bigger problem is finding a PRO who will let you finger-fuck her. I find it strange, but many refuse. They are afraid you will have something (germs,sperm) on your hands which you would not have on a lubricated condom. Many strip club girls have let me finger them. But SW's and massage patlor women don't seem to like it.
Barber, Viator and others,
HIV is primarily a blood-borne virus. Yes, it is definitely present in semen, but it is transmitted mainly by blood to blood contact. That is why it is easily caught by people having unprotected anal sex (the lining of the anus tears) and from sharing needles. For the virus to get into your body it needs an entry point, like a cut or tear. Keep in mind though that the virus is extremely small, so even a microscopic tear that you can't even see may be a threat.
HIV is only found in minute amounts in vaginal fluid, (although it's different if she has her period), and is basically non-existent in saliva. You cannot catch HIV from someone drooling on you or sweating on you!!! You cannot catch HIV from french kissing or from caressing a girls ass.
Blowjobs without a condom...you can get chlamydia, gonohorrea, herpes, and a few other nasties. WITH a condom, you can still get herpes if her lips touch your balls or base of the penis.
Sex without a condom...you can catch the works!!
Sex WITH a condom...you can still catch herpes, genital warts and molluscum contagiosum, as well as scabies and other skin to skin bugs.
Viator...If you are only having covered blowjobs from girls you have basically no risk of catching anything, so long as she doesn't put herpes infected lips on the skin that the condom doesn't cover.
Barber...you cannot catch anything from finger-fucking. There may be a risk if she has her period and you have a cut on your finger though. Wash your hands straight after doing it.
Proko...The main reason many hookers don't like fingers inside them is that sharp fingernails can tear the lining of the vagina, leaving them open to infection if the condom was to break during the sex. Strippers may not have to worry about that sort of thing. Dirty fingers can also cause infections. And yes, some girls are concerned that you may have touched your penis (and got pre-cum on your fingers) before you insert them.
Hi RN,
I know that you're right about the risks even WITH a condom. Herpes, genital warts, etc. I picked-up Molluscum once so you can get bugs even with a condom on. Therefore, I can personally confirm your previous statements.
My question then is if you can catch a nasty STD even utilizing a condom properly, what is left in terms of safety for both parties? I mean, what alternate sexual activities could you suggest if even condoms can't protect us totally? What can a guy do with a SW to completely protect both parties and be erotic and fulfilling all at the same time?
I and many of the other guys could really use your expertise on this one. Thanks much - as always.
Paddy,
As you know, diseases like molluscum and scabies, etc can be caught simply by skin to skin contact. Because of that, there is really no way to be completely sure that you will not catch something from ANY activity you do that involves touching. That said, complete abstinence is hardly a viable option! LOL
I think it comes down to common sense:
a) Don't ever have sex with a girl who offers you a service without a condom. Even if YOU say no, chances are that plenty of guys before you have said yes.
b) Avoid heavy drug users and drinkers. Aside from the increased risk of HIV in IV drug users, addictions can often take precedent over all the other aspects of an addicts life. They also tend to lack self respect, which in turn leads them to care very little about their health. In their defence, addicts who DO go for checkups are often discriminated against by doctors and treated badly, which makes them reluctant to go on a regular basis. Also, sex workers who use while they are working are likely to be less vigilant and alert, and may not have noticed previous clients taking condoms off or having condoms break.
c) Go to a professional. If you go to a woman who is intelligent, happy, friendly and comfortable with her work, she is more likely to treat her job in a professional manner and look after herself. Women who treat it as a business not only often have more self respect than those who feel they are "forced" to work, but they have more respect for the health and safety of their clients...giving someone an STD will NOT encourage repeat custom! Catching something would also put an immediate halt on her income, so it's in HER best interests to stay disease free as well.
d) Learn to do a "DC". Girls do it, so concerned clients should do it too. Get books or get online and find pictures of various diseases and infections. Learn to recognise them and check out the girl during the service. Girls go through the first half of the service checking things out carefully, and if they find something they will either stop the booking or change the service. There's no reason why you guys can't do that too. Don't let your "little head" do your thinking for you...if you see something suspicious, STOP no matter how hard it is to do it! LOL
One of the safest ways to have sex...if you really want to be this careful...is to do it with her bending over or kneeling on all fours on the bed. Doing it standing up works too. You can then control the strokes, making sure that the base of your penis doesn't touch her skin AND that your balls don't either.
Otherwise, there is very little risk in BJs, massage and hand relief, mutual masturbation and, if you really want to be extreme, masturbating yourself while she strips or mastrurbates in front of you. I don't think it's healthy to worry about it TOO much, but a bit of common sense and some caution is definitely recommended. Treat everyone as if they are infected...and that goes for girls that AREN'T hooker too! :)
Hi RN,
Thanks for your excellent advice and counsel. I've said it before but you should start-up your own internet advice column for profit. I'd subscribe in a second and it would be money well spent. Jackson might have some ideas for you.
I've become very knowledgeable about Molluscum and not only can it be contracted from skin-to-skin contact, but it can be contracted from towels or a Jacuzzi which an infected person has used and not thoroughly cleaned. Luckily, it's very curable and self-limiting even if it isn't treated.
Therefore, the remaining threats for we condom users are Herpes and genital warts for which there is no final cure.
Your thoughts on "alternative" sexual behaviors with a SW are rather intriguing to say the least. Hmm...
By the way, what does "DC" stand for?
Finally, I wish that I lived in Perth.
Paddy
just wondering.............has anyone ever heard of a person being infected with hiv after visiting a massage parlor? i have been thinking about trying one out but i am reluctant because of the risk of contracting hiv.
SG - No, I haven't, but then it is VERY hard to figure out just where and when a certain person gets infected. Knowing something about about AMP's in the US, I would say it is one of the safer alternatives. Why?
.
Usually the girls live on site and know each other and the "house mother" who runs the operation, keeps track of $$ and cooks the food. IV drug use is highly unlikely and seeing men outside of the AMP is strictly prohibited. Most of these women have children and work a month and fly back to their families with money. In most AMP's cleanliness is important and the girls are taught how to "inspect" the men while bathing them or during the massage. Also, despite what you read here, the usual sex act is a HJ or a BJ with condom, both very safe. In short, it depends what you do and how you do it, but in general I think AMP's are some of the safest alternatives.
.
My description of an AMP is from knowing a local Korean operation and may not apply to all cities and parlors. For instance SF and NYC would be different, I assume. I got to know the girls and house mother quite well and they told me much of how things worked. Surprisingly - or maybe not - the more I hung around this place, eating dinner with the girls, talking, watching TV (their favorite pastime), the less sexual it all seemed. It quickly lost its erotic allure.
thanks for replying. i live in a relatively small town but there are plenty of massage parlors around. i always figured that it would be fairly safe to try one but was not too sure. i still don't know if i will go through with it or not but the information you have told me will make it easier to decide. just wondering...seeing as you has a chance to get to know the girls, do you know if they are tested regularly?
The women saw their Gyno. once or twice a year, but did that include AIDS testing? I doubt it. Truthfully I just don't know, but doubt it. If you are interested in the AMP scene, go and get a massage and HJ or covered BJ. That should be safe as anything. Try to judge the health-consciousness of the women and go from there. As RN points out, if BBBJ or FS without a condom is available, then anything goes. You can have alot of fun at an AMP without FS, which will always cost you more. If you have never had a body shampoo or had a small oriental woman walk on your back, you are in for a treat. However, not all AMPs offer these services, but many do.
Hello everyone. Can someone help me out here? Yesterday i went to visit an AMP. I got FS from the girl. She put a condom on to perform oral and then vaginal sex. But during the vaginal sex the condom broke! Now i am scared out of my mind. What are the chances that i might have been exposed to hiv? Does anyone know? The girl notices how scared i was afterwards and she told me not to worry and that they always have to use condoms with their customers. So does anyone have any idea what the hiv rates are in these AMP's?
zel66
Don't worry , the chances of you getting HIV are very very low. Even if she has AIDS it is very unlikely she could transmit it to you during normal intercourse. If you have open wounds on your penis from a cut or untreated venereal disease the chances go up, but I assume you don't. You might still want to get checked out for other sexually transmitted diseases like clamidia etc, but HIV is very very unlikely.
HIV is not a virus that spreads easily, the most common way to get HIV (the AIDS virus) is to share needles with an infected person while taking drugs or to have anal sex with an infected man. If the man has the virus and he cums insde your ass, you would be at very high risk of getting the virus from him.
There have been some surprising studies that show prostitutes are very unlikely to be HIV positive unless they also use drugs that are injected. Unfortunately a fairly high percentage of prostitutes do inject drugs so thier HIV rates are fairly high for that reason.
Another study of gay men who regularly perform oral sex on other gay men without condoms (including a large number that swallow) shows that only a very low number that were HIV positive. This does not mean performing oral sex is safe, but its clearly not the way the virus is usually transmitted between gay men.
Although the HIV virus does not spread easily, many sexually transmitted diseases do. Some of them can be very unpleasant, and some can not be cured. It really is important to wear condoms. Let me re state what RN said in her last post, If a prostitute is willing to have sex with you without a condom you can bet she does the same thing with her other customers. She has a very high likelyhood of having some sexually transmitted disease, and if you do her without a condom, so do you.
zel66 -- what you have is potential exposure, which means that your chances of catching something have gone up because the condom broke, but as Brett notes your chances are still pretty low. If the sex worker is telling you the truth and she always uses a condom, then your risk is considerably lower still. The problem, of course, is that you don't really know whether what she said is true, so you're likely to obsess on this.
The only study I know of that's looked at AMPs was one that looked at behaviors of sex workers in San Francisco, which found that, yes, all of the workers did wear condoms during intercourse with customers, but not always in their private lives, so there was still some degree of risk. (Of course, three quarters didn't really have relationships in their private lives, but that's a different issue.)
Statistically speaking, Asian women in the US have a very low rate of HIV infection, but nothing I know of has singled out rates for AMPs. Your chances of getting HIV from a single encounter during vaginal sex are fairly low if neither of you have open wounds or sores, but, of course, any chance is enough to make someone nervous, and someone is going to be that one in however many who's the exception.
Since you're nervous -- get checked out. The odds are heavily in your favor, but having peace of mind is never too expensive or big a hassle, in my book.
Joe and Brett
Thanks for the replies. I sure hope you guys are right. i have been worried sick about it ever since. I am going to take a few months off and i am going to go get tested when the time is right. Just to make sure.
If i do test negative, then from then on i think i will stick to handjobs and covered bj's. I don't want to go through this stress again. =)
hey guys. this may seem like a stupid question. but is it possible to catch anything from titty-fucking a girl. an infection or something? just curious. do any of these massage parlor girls allow you to do this?
SG,
In most AMPs I know, there is not enough titty to get the job done. Remember, these are asian women. Good Luck
zel66 -- let's all face it, going with prostitutes is raising your risk factors in that you're going to be with women who have multiple partners, so the safest thing is either onanism or monogamy. That said, certainly your handjob/covered bj approach would be safest. For what it's worth, there are plenty of us who've gone through your exact experience, myself included, with no ill effects.
My take on it is this -- life isn't safe, and life without sex isn't life. As long as there's a condom involved, you're really pretty protected, even given the possibility of breakage or slippage. The mistake I've seen at lots of AMPs, which surprises me at this point in the game, is the use of baby oil or some such lube with condoms, which breaks latex down and can lead to breakage. I'd be curious to know if that's the case in your scenario.
sg128 -- perhaps you can get a rash or a complaint if you're an extravagant shooter :) but there aren't any STDs to be worried about with tit-fucking. And massage girls who actually have enough assets to make it possible certainly often allow for the possibility.
hi guys......i think your more likely to get a cold than anything else if your titty fucking, back injury comes to mind as well.
zel66,,,forget about getting hiv,,,your odds are 1 in millions,,,,,,,,if you fuck a woman who has aids every day for several years without condoms, odds are still that you will not get the virus. it is not easy to spread the virus to men,(exept through anal sex) it has to have an opening in your skin. the virus will not come into your body unless you have open wounds that came into contact with her body fluids.
there are still a dozen or more nasty little things that you can get , most will show up in a few days if you did, (burning feeling when you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] etc)but clamidia might not be obvious and herpes may not give symptoms, if you got crabs,,you would start to feel them in a week or two,,...aids is not a worry, but you might want to get tested for the other things to feel safe.
Joe-You are right about the girl using some sort of lube before having sex. I guess that is what helped contribute to the breaking of the condom then. I should mention that i had been to that particular AMP on several occasions before this and every time the girls used a condom for both oral and vaginal sex. So that is a good sign.
Once again, thanks for the feedback guys. I appreciate it
zel66,
I know how nervous you must be. I found myself on the receiving end of a broken condom a couple of times in my working life...a MUCH scarier position to be in mind you! ...and just thought I'd let you know that I never caught a thing. You should really have a full STD screen between three and ten days after a condom breakage, to pick up any of the "minor" nasties that you may have been exposed to. Then you need an HIV test at three months, and again at six months. Try not to panic too much though...as has been said by these guys already, the chances of a man catching HIV from a woman, especially one that insists she uses condoms all the time, are pretty darn slim.
sg128,
Tit-fucking is pretty much completely risk free (unless perhaps scabies is present) for a man. I just wanted to add though, that it is NOT necessarily risk free for your female partner. If you accidentally cum in her mouth or her eyes (ESPECIALLY her eyes), she is at risk of catching nasties from YOU, including HIV.
As for the questions about AMPs...obviously I do not know about the US parlours in particular, but I can say that in most developed countries your chances of catching HIV or other diseases in a brothel type environment are relatively low. Many parlours demand medical certificates from their workers (to cover the parlour owners ass in the case of a complaint), they will not condone drug users (drugs draw police attention), and they often try to ensure that the girls are clean, friendly and professional to encourage return business (more money in their greedy hands). Please remember that there is often an extremely vast difference between street workers and other sex workers. That goes for IV drug use in particular. Something I read about Oz sex workers recently said that an estimated 69% of street workers use injected drugs, and only around 7% of other sex workers do. (The nightclub/entertainment industry was estimated at around 22%...think more carefully before going home with a barmaid! LOL). Poverty, homelessness, drug dependency, violence and low self esteem are all factors that contribute to poor health....things that street workers are much more likely to suffer from than parlour workers.
And guys....I have heard too many men here saying "The condom broke. Maybe I should have a test now". As sexually active adults having sex with multiple partners, you should be having REGULAR testing! Don't wait for a condom scare to force you to take responsibility. How about thinking of the risk that YOU present to the HOOKERS for a change. It's pretty darn selfish to expect girls to have constant screening to protect YOUR health, when you guys show so little concern about the sex workers health. A condom breakage may cause YOU a little embarassment and inconvenience when you go and get antibiotics, but it could cost a sex worker one or two months INCOME while she is treated. Or it could end her "career" for good. Do you have any idea how terrified WE are when the condom breaks???
Not trying to be nasty...just making a point :)
Very good point, RN -- risk is risk, and being active is being active, no matter who's involved. If you're sexually active with multiple partners, then you should be tested not only for your own protection but for your partners'. And your point about the health of the sex worker is absolutely important -- being the one who is penetrated puts you at far higher risk for HIV, and while vaginal sex is safer than anal, it's still much more risky for the woman than man.
And just to clarify something I wrote earlier -- lube definitely *is* a good idea, not only for comfort but for condom safety, but it has to be the right kind -- water based and not oil based. That means KY or Astroglide or something similar, and not baby oil or cooking oil or vaseline, all of which I've seen people at AMPs use...
RN- I have been tested before and come out negative. So personally, I know that i am not putting these girls at risk. That is why i will not go back to one of these AMP's until i have been tested again and i know i have no std's.
Brett-
"The virus will not come into your body unless you have open wounds that came into contact with her body fluids."
I've heard that the HIV virus could enter the body through the penis opening (urethra), I myself aren't sure about this, u seem to have some knowledge on this subject; what's your opinion??
i went and got hiv tested today and had a nice chat with the nurse. she asked me some questions (are my sex partners males or females etc). i have visited some amp's before and had an experience where one of the condoms broke. and i was scared shitless. that is why i went to get tested. the nurse told me that she does not expect me to test negative and went on to say that it is harder for a male to get hiv from a woman. living in a smaller city is also a good thing as hiv and aids are quite rare here. however she did say she had a few cases where guys went down to mexico and had sex with prostitutes then came back and tested positive. well, i'll find out in two weeks what my results where. hopefully negative. i'm going to be crossing my fingers.
zel66,
Your post really made me smile. Your choice to avoid AMPs until you are sure of your STI status is exactly the sort of responsible and compassionate attitude that I was trying to encourage with my last post. Thank you for showing me that I was wrong about some men :) I also hope you didn't think I was specifically targetting you with my little rant about STI screening...there have been a long line of similar queries made both here and in the old forum, and I just thought it was time to make a general statement. Good luck with your tests.
Good luck to you too gonzo56...I'm sure you will be fine. Just wondering though...did you JUST go for HIV testing, or did you get the "works" done?
The thing is guys, there is way too much emphasis being put on HIV in these discussions. By comparison, HIV is not really a risk factor that should be getting quite this much attention. What about life long diseases like herpes or genital warts (which can be responsible for cervical cancer in your female partners)? What about going insane and then dying from syphillis? What about chlamydia, which can infect your wife or girlfriend but cause no symptoms, until she is put in hospital with PID and told she is infertile? Or worse, the untreated infection or the ectopic pregnancy that could occur because of the internal scarring KILLS her! If HIV was REALLY the "epidemic" that many of you are treating it like, every second sexually active person on earth would be infected. The fact is, it is NOT that easy to catch...the other diseases ARE! Yes, you should always be aware of HIV, but it should NOT be the only reason that you get tested or the only reason that you use condoms.
PS...anExpat,
Many diseases can enter a man's penis through the urethra...and HIV is one of them. However, HIV usually needs an "entry point" such as a cut or sore to actually enter your system. If you have some other infection like an STI, thrush or a bladder infection that has caused irritation to the skin just inside the penis, there could be cuts or tiny abrasions that could become an entry point. Friction during long, vigourous sex sessions, especially without lube, can cause these abrasions too.
For what it's worth, RN, I think the scary part about HIV is that you're pretty well toast if it develops into AIDS, and even the best treatment at this point is a) expensive and b) nothing guaranteed. By contrast, most of the other STDs are curable as long as they're detected before they do serious damage (takes a long time to do the insanity thing with syphillis) or at least manageable. I think people tend to see most STDs as things that for the most part you can cure or survive and HIV/AIDS as something that you've got to continuously deal with until such point that it kills you. We've got lots of examples of people who have lived long productive lives with the other STDs, but because it's still early in the game we don't have the same examples from AIDS.
Of course you're dead on correct that all these other things are actually statistically far greater cause for worry, but to some extent. rightly or wrongly, people tend to approach STDs as something that can happen if you pack the wrong clothes on a trip, and HIV/AIDS as what can happen if you don't pack your parachute carefully.
Joe,
Like you said, most STDs are curable or manageable [i]as long as they're detected before they do serious damage[/i]. What I'm getting at is that some people NEVER have a test unless they have an accident, and then they often just run out and request an HIV test and nothing else. Any doctor worth their salt would hopefully suggest a full screening as well as the blood test, but that won't necessarily happen. If you NEVER have a test, the chances of the doctor diagnosing the illness before your wife is infertile from PID or before the syphilis insanity sets in, is slim to none.
Personally I am terrified of HIV...just like everyone else is. But I was always much more afraid of catching the so-called "minor" STDs, because I knew the risk of exposure was so much greater.
I guess what bothers me most is the lack of education that most people have about STDs. I mean, really.... illnesses like HIV and others can KILL you! Would you drive a car without learning where the brake is? Would you jump out of a plane without knowing how to pull the ripcord? I am honestly surprised that so many people all over the world are having sex with NO idea about STDs. How can you possibly take proper precautions against disease if you don't understand the modes of transmission?
I am also surprised that grown adults are often too embarrassed to go to a doctor for STD screening. We are adults, and doctors are professionals. Walking into a surgery and dropping your pants is hardly emotionally devastating. I've heard heaps of my friends say "But what if they find something? I'd be so humiliated"...in my opinion that means they know that there is a chance that they MAY have something, so they definitely SHOULD be going to a doctor!
Oh, I get it -- you're in favor of sensible behavior when it comes to both sex and health. Must be that rubber fetish thing :) Considering the low number of people who even get annual health check-ups, I'd say that's an uphill climb. Grown adults are, I think, generally afraid that doctors will tell them that they have to change their behavior or, worse, will deliver some kind of bad news that will require change or follow-up, so the tendency is to use the ignorance-is-bliss approach. And that's regardless of whether the ailment has to do with sexually transmitted diseases. I'm not one to talk in this regard by any stretch, either, though I do get tested and a physical on a reasonably regular basis.
But I agree with you -- I don't at all understand the idea of going to a doctor and getting screened for HIV without doing the whole battery of tests. AIDS rings a personal bell for me because I've had people I know die from it, and do so terribly, but there aren't exactly any of the various nasties I'm in a hurry to get. I'm lucky enough to have been fairly sexually active for many years in a variety of locales and situations without ever catching a thing, and I chalk that up to being reasonably fastidious about using a safe-sex approach (and always doing so for penetrative sex.)
Well I don't know about a rubber fetish...but I AM rather partial to PVC catsuits! ;) heh heh
PVC? With all those nasty environmental and health issues related to doixins? Guess you are an advocate for high-risk behavior after all... :eek:
[i]Guess you are an advocate for high-risk behavior after all... [/i]
The biggest risk involved with PVC catsuits, is that any man within eyeshot suffers a sudden and immediate shortage of blood flow to the brain! *wicked grin*
i meant, she said she does not expect me to test positive. doh!
RN, i only had the hiv test done so far. i know i'm stupid and i should be tested for other std's. but like joe_zop said.....hiv is the one people most worry about and i am no different. i will go get tested for other std's later but for me it is most important to know first that i don't have hiv. because to put it bluntly......i don't want to die.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RN
[i]zel66,
I know how nervous you must be. I found myself on the receiving end of a broken condom a couple of times in my working life...a MUCH scarier position to be in mind you! ...and just thought I'd let you know that I never caught a thing. You should really have a full STD screen between three and ten days after a condom breakage, to pick up any of the "minor" nasties that you may have been exposed to. Then you need an HIV test at three months, and again at six months. Try not to panic too much though...as has been said by these guys already, the chances of a man catching HIV from a woman, especially one that insists she uses condoms all the time, are pretty darn slim.
And guys....I have heard too many men here saying "The condom broke. Maybe I should have a test now". As sexually active adults having sex with multiple partners, you should be having REGULAR testing! Don't wait for a condom scare to force you to take responsibility. How about thinking of the risk that YOU present to the HOOKERS for a change. It's pretty darn selfish to expect girls to have constant screening to protect YOUR health, when you guys show so little concern about the sex workers health. A condom breakage may cause YOU a little embarassment and inconvenience when you go and get antibiotics, but it could cost a sex worker one or two months INCOME while she is treated. Or it could end her "career" for good. Do you have any idea how terrified WE are when the condom breaks???
Not trying to be nasty...just making a point :) [/i][/QUOTE]
I agree that it is more scary for the person on the receiving end of the broken condom than for the giver. The men that the prostitute services do not get tested for diseases. The prostitute in the parlour environment does get tested. The customer is not required to get tested so if the condom breaks, the prostitutes may catch hatever weird stuff he has.
The broken condom thing did happen to me in Brazil, and it happened twice. The first time it happened was with a non-pro I dated on my first trip to Brazil. She was a great first impression of all Brazilian women. After dating her and comparing her to American women, I no longer desired American women. I had sex with her so many times that I had the condom breaking incident. When it broke inside her, it felt strangely better and I ejaculated in her like I do when I wear the condom. When I pulled out, we were both shocked and scared. She was fortunate I didn't have anything weird and that she had the morning after pills available to her (they sell them in the local drug stores in Brazil). I was worried that I would be a father and that she would come to my home carrying a kid that was mine but then she e-mailed me saying she took the morning after pill and that she tested negative for pregnancy. I was relieved. I also tested for diseases on myself so I could make sure I didn't give her any diseases and I tested negative for HIV and the other STDs. I had a complete STD test. I did it for her sake as well as my own because I really liked this girl. I then e-mailed her with the good news.
The second time it happened was with a parlour girl. She was having her period when it happened and she scratched the condom to break it when it happened. Before she scratched the condom, it felt less sensitve but she reached down and scratched the condom and it broke. I felt the greater sensitivity and after a while, I came into her and pulled out my dick with blood all over it. It is not the safest thing to do but at least I know she had been tested each month. This was one of the more expensive high class establishments in Brazil. I still got tested and tested negative. Thank God. This experience would have been a trillion times more scary with a street hooker who I don't know if she was tested and uses IV drugs especially with blood gushing on my cock.
any chance of catching AIDS or other STD when I wet-kiss
a hooker ?
Last week when I was with a hooker, she stucked her tongue
into my mouth. I normally dont kiss a hooker, but I couldnt
resist this time and wet-kissed with her for five minutes.
Now I am worried I might still get some diseases even
though I used condom during sex.
The CDC defines kissing as low-risk activity for HIV transmission. There's a really small chance of HIV passing via kissing, but only if both you and your partner have cuts or sores in your mouths or if one does and the kissing is prolonged and intense enough to damage the other's mouth or lips. The bottom line is that saliva doesn't contain or pass HIV. Syphilis can pass via kissing under mostly the same conditions as HIV. The main risks are non-STD -- glandualr fever, mono, and oral herpes is also a possibility, but that's reasonably common, and different from the genital kind.
just got back from the clinic. tested negative for hiv! fuck yeah!
Congrats, gonzo! Always great to have peace of mind, even if you intellectually know the odds are in your favor.
thanks joe. it's a big relief to know. i am going to make an appointment to be tested for other std's sometime this week. hope those results come out well also.
Viagra + Ecstacy?
I have no problem getting erections with my gf... except when I tried the happy pill: my Johnson withered. It wasn't a big deal, since we were happy anyway, but having sex would definitely be a plus!
So, I wonder if anyone has experice with V+E. Is the full 100mg way too much? Cut it in half? Quarters? Side effects?
Hi RN and Guys,
I know that a condom will not protect people if hepres, HPV, molluscum and other viruses lie above or outside the condom. I've read that these nasty little viruses often hide in the pubic hair which isn't covered by a condom. It's the direct skin-to-skin contact that causes transmission and if the condom doesn't cover the infected area, you're out of luck. RN has spoken about this before and she's right.
OK, here's my question. I once read somewhere that one can prevent these contact viruses if one immediately washes all around the groin and pubic areas with soap and water after removing the condom??? I asked a dermatologist about this recently and he said it would certainly help. He went one step further and strongly recommended alcohol wipes to kill any viruses on the skin. He said that alcohol would even be more effective than soap and water which is reasonable.
RN, have you ever heard of this before? What are your thoughts?
What do you guys think? Has anyone ever heard of this procedure before? It could really cut down on the transmission of those nasty little viruses if true.
Thanks and it's good to be back!
Paddy,
I have started to use anti-biotic "Handy Wipes" , the kind that come in single use foil to clean your hands. Doubt that they are more effective than anti-B soap but are easier to carry around. I also carry some Nizoral cream (Ketoconazole 2%) which is a prescription anti-B cream that is very effective against fungi and skin-skin contact infections. Ask your dermatologist.
-P
Paddy -- certainly that can help, particularly in the case of herpes and HPV. The whole key is to avoid getting them into your system, and cleaning the skin where exposure has taken place can help minimize the risks. Most place I've seen recommend washing both before and after as a way of minimizing the germs present. If you're combining condoms with sanitizing, along with a visual examination to make sure there are no obvious sores or genital warts, then you are about as safe as you can manage if you're still going to play. Just be careful -- that can sting when you're getting near the sensitive parts! And irritating that area is counterproductive.
I'd agree with Joe and Proko, Paddy. (Of course, don't forget I'm not a real RN!) I know myself and other working girls used to shower with Dettol liquid soap after a booking, which is an anti-bacterial body wash. We also left it in the showers so that clients could use it before and after the booking too. I'm not positive about exactly how effective it is in stopping skin-to-skin infections, but my reasoning is that is definitely can't hurt! It makes sense to me that washing off any nasties that haven't yet gained access to your skin, has to be better than doing nothing at all.
The best way to avoid skin-to-skin infections (as Joe mentioned) is a visual inspection. The majority of those types of infections have very visible symptoms, and when sores, etc are present, it is usually the most infectious time. Obviously not all diseases are visible though, and some are only visible SOME of the time (for example, herpes is still infectious during the "shedding" period...shortly after the blisters have healed...but you can't see it). It's worth looking at pictures of various STDs, so you can be sure to pick them up straight away during the inspection. There are some good sites on the net with graphic pictures of various infections. The "dick check" provides added protection for the working girls, so theres no reason why clients shouldn't do the same.
Personally, I'd be careful using powerful things such as alcohol swabs if you are intending on having sex again soon after. (Like in a "two cum" party or an allnighter). That stuff can really irritate your skin, which I would presume may actually make you more susceptible to infection on the second round. That's not medical fact of course, just my opinion. I've seen people break out in a rash from using detergents and anti-bacterial creams that were too strong for their sensitive skin. You might want to try it out prior to actually using it with a working girl, just in case.
RN,
Just wondering, but have you had clients who demanded a visual inspection of your genitals? And if so, how did you feel about it? Insulted? Objectified? Or happy that they actually cared? Most women do NOT seem to like the idea of men inspecting them and this includes professionals. Very often, say at a massage parlor, the women will look at you during the massage or during a shower/body shampoo without making it obvious that they are doing it. Some professional Houses -like La Yegua in Mexico, make it a part of their routine. However, letting you look at them is another matter. They dim the lights and definitely don't want you looking inside. I don't know if they are embarrassed or have something to hide. And I have never had the nerve to demand a close look. How many of you guys actually look closely at a woman before sex? Even with a new girlfriend. Usually the lights are low and to me it would seem unacceptable to turn on all the lights and inspect things first. Just wondering . . . -P
proko,
yes, i have had men who asked if they could "have a bit of a look". i have also had men who try to sneak a peek at things as the service starts, but are too shy to ask outright. i would always turn my body a bit for them, to make sure they could see properly. sometimes i would even give those guys a bit of an "excuse" to look at things closely...for example opening my legs and saying "so what do you think?" (sorry, that sounds crass on the board, but it's very different during a service! lol) it gives them a chance to have a good look, and then say something corny like "it looks perfect. seeing it makes me wanna...." instead of having to mention stds at all. often (and this will sound even more crass) i would sit on his chest and bend over towards his penis, raising my bottom in the air. to him it seemed like i was just playing with his dick when i was actually doing a dc, and it also meant that he got a good chance to check me out too! even if a man demanded that i lay down while he checked me out by torchlight...i'd be fine with it. the fact that a man is concerned enough about his own health to actually do an inspection, makes me feel a lot safer.
i do agree that many women might be offended though...i guess that's the difference between someone who approaches the job as a "professional courtesan" and someone who just wants you to do them and get out. i would like to think that i made my clients feel comfortable enough with me to actually ask straight out if they had concerns. i also had nothing to hide.
i never did an actual "dick check" in the whole time i worked. i did what you mentioned...i would blend the check into the service so that the client didn't feel uncomfortable being under scrutiny. once i was sure that there were no visible diseases i would do the "lets turn down the lights a little" thing. i know not all girls will make things so easy for you to take a look, but hopefully there would be enough lights on time for you to at least take a quick peek. if all else fails, i would actually ask outright. if you say it nicely...or even say that you want to look at her because it turns you on...i think most girls would be ok with it.
paddy,
i things i were refering to are actually "wet ones-anti-bacterial" singles. active ingredient=benzethonium cloride .3% don't know if that's good or bad, but they are the size of a condom and i always take them with me.
.
rn,
i keep telling you that you are not the "typical" sex provider. at least not in my experience. i do think many women would be offended and i have yet to find a pro who asked me "what do you think?" with her legs wide open, but i'll keep looking. meantime, i find it interesting that you too used the sneak a peek method rather than just looking directly. hmmm. that's a lot easier for the woman to do since the man is more prominently displayed than a woman. in fact for most women, simply opening their legs would not be sufficient to get a peek inside.
Proko,
Really, you shouldn't need to get a look inside. Anything in there will (hopefully) be kept away from you by the condom. It's the outside...inner thighs, buttocks, labia...that's the real risk for skin-to-skin infections. I know it's not the same in all countries, but heaps of Western hookers are now sporting the Brazilian or fully shaven look...you should be able to see every bit of skin that matters. But it is soooo hard to find warts and things in a mass of pubic hair right under a man's balls!! LOL
I prefer a "disguised" DC rather than getting a lamp out and poking and prodding around...it just seems so clinical! Plus, if I have already fondled him, massaged him and made him feel good, there is less chance of things going horribly wrong when I tell him I've found something nasty. By then he's already horny, and he would be more likely to accept a change in service (eg hand relief instead of sex) rather than being told at the outset "Nope, sorry, can't have sex with you. What do you want me to do instead?".
I still think that it's worth a try asking a woman to let you look. If you make out that you think she's diseased she will probably be really pissed off. But if you made it clear that you wanted it to be safe for BOTH of you, she would probably understand...even if she did feel a little uncomfortable about it. Like I said, it is a great relief to know that your client is concerned about his sexual health. The simple fact that you can be sure he won't try and take the condom off during the booking makes the whole service more relaxed.
PS This will sound really gross, but the first symptom that women get in nearly all STD infections...not skin-to-skin ones of course...is an offensive smelling discharge. If things smell really "fishy" down there, (especially if she's just had a shower and she should be smelling fresh) it could be a sign that she has something.
Proko -- I always just tend to make the inspection be part of the game, much in the same way RN approaches it. Usually a few compliments along the line of "I'm sorry, you're incredible, I want a closer look" or something to that effect, combuned with some gentle manual stimulation (being very careful, as many providers are understandably concerned about being roughtly handled or digitally penetrated) will do the trick. Most providers I've been with just seem to take it as part of the stimulus package. I am just looking for the obvious as opposed to doing any kind of really comprehensive check, trusting that the condom will do the majority of the protecting.
RN,
As a pro, how do you handle requests to eat you out?
I like eating pussy and sucking butt. Do you let a client suck butt?
People are going to call me a hypocrite for saying this, but I always allowed oral sex on me. Still would, to this day. Obviously I would NEVER do anything if it looked like there was even a remote chance that he had a coldsore, and I would often refuse men who had stubble or wiry beards. Letting my skin get scratched and irritated before sex would be dangerous.
As for "sucking butt", my butt was TOTALLY out of bounds!! LOL Anal stimulation on me of any kind completely turns me off, and that's not conducive to a mutually enjoyable service. I wasn't the type of girl who would just grin and bear it...if I didn't enjoy it, I didn't do it. My clients had pretty much free reign over my body, and I didn't have too many silly rules about what they could and couldn't touch (girls that say "Yes you can have sex with me, but you can't touch my breasts or my vagina, REALLY confuse me!!). But my backside was the only thing they were not allowed to go near. Mind you, most clients were happy to accept that.
RN,
I read your post on the smelly discharge. Interesting enough, however I've been in that situation. Once this girl hopped in my car and I swear it smelled like rotting fish. Needless to say I discharged her out of my car, nicely of course. I used the ol' I forgot my wallet line. One other time was with a girlfriend of mine. I went down on her and almost gagged. She was clean as far as I knew, maybe just bad timing. Eeeeew!
LOL GuessWho! YUCK!!
Just for the record, I didn't mean that every woman who has a bad smell going on down there has a disease...just that many infections DO cause a bad smell, and it could be considered a bad sign. But some "clean" women are just unfortunate I guess! (As are the men unlucky enough to find out the hard way!!! LOL)
Hi RN and thanks for posting here!
It's so hard to find stats on the risks of getting diseases -- I'm interested in the incurables, of course, and then you always hear, "well, there's still a risk if you use a condom..." HIV seems very low-risk if you use a condom, but HIV and warts?
So... I don't know if this is stuff you'd like to share, but did you get any diseases, and if so, which ones? And how many times have you had sex with clients? This is just to get a feel for the risks.
Thanks for any info at all.
Jeff
thank you jeffjimman :)
ok...i added some stuff up for you and it sounds terrible! lol (i hate thinking about the numbers) i worked fulltime for 5 years but occasionally had a week off here and there, so i worked it out using 4 days a week to try and balance it out. clients would range anywhere from none to 12 in a day, but the average would be about 4 or 5. keep in mind that many of my clients were regulars, so i used 4 clients a day to work it out. (i know it's not very scientific...math is not my forte!) the grand total over 5 years is...*splutter*...4160.
i never caught a disease during the time i was working. that said, you need to realise how careful i was. condoms were totally compulsory...i never once did any service without one. i did a visual check for stds before getting down to business, and if i had found anything i would have turned him down. i was extremely mindful of cuts and scrapes on any part of my body. i used plenty of lube and i am pretty darn well-practiced at using a condom...i only remember 2 incidents where the condom broke out of all those times. i didn't do any fetish stuff that may have drawn blood or which meant i would come in contact with other bodily fluids, eg. "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url]". and i always showered (often with anti-bacterial soap) immediately after the service.
risk is a hard thing to determine though. for instance...what if none of my clients had a disease? that would mean condoms could have leaked or skin may have touched during that time, but i wouldn't have caught anything anyway. perhaps if one of them did have a disease, i would have caught it regardless of how careful i was?
most hookers that i know who have caught something, have caught it from their partners. when you're not at work you are less likely to be strict about condom use, and more likely to have your decisions swayed by lust, trust and/or alcohol. men also tend to let down their guard a bit when they are not in the company of a presumed "drug-addicted, diseased prostitute". i think it was bigwang who referred some time ago to it being like playing russian roulette...some people may be able to put the gun to their head and pull the trigger five times and it doesn't go off, but others will blow their head apart the first time. it's a game of chance really, and the only way to increase your odds is to treat every partner as potentially infected.
Wow, RN, thats quite a stunning number when you actually put it down. And I say that simply to say to guys who are out in the game -- ok, look, if every sex worker you're with were to have similar numbers, and you were to go once a month for a year, then you're potentially exposed close to fifty thousand sex partners! Mind boggling when you think of it this way, and decidedly an argument for being careful.
At one point in the Thai women section people were adding up their partners, and I figured I was probably in the range of 300-400 overall. If all of them had the numbers RN posted, which might well be conservative in the Thai trade (not that the majority of my experience is there) that would mean that I've been exposed to well over a million of my partners' partners. Pretty scary when you think of it. Since it's the obvious question to be asked, no, I've never caught anything, and yes, I am fairly careful.
And all that without even the priviledge of being exposed to RN other than on this board, sigh...
RN,
Those are pretty impressive numbers. Shows what hard work will do for you. In 30+ years of sex I have only recently gone above 100. Some of the guys claim to be well over 1000 partners and I believe them. Here is the weird part- I know the exact numbers and all their names as well! And about half could still be considered friends! Guess I've lived a rather protected life. And I document things excessively.
But here's my question . . . What happened to the $$$? You should have pulled down a pretty good income, but you make it sound like you're broke. Did you pay taxes on the cash? Why did you stop? It sounds as if you enjoyed your work.
Just wondering . . .
Well, there's no big secrets, 'coz I've managed to blurt out almost my entire life history on this board already! LOL
Almost $20,000 of it went to paying off my ex-husband's debts, for which I was somehow made legally liable. I completely furnished a four bedroom house from scratch, including ALL the creature comforts. I bought a late model car, and kept upgrading over the five years so I always had the newest model (and they didn't have the time to depreciate and lower the trade-in value). I spent quite a bit of money on work expenses...condoms, toys, lingerie, evening wear, shoes, etc (which is very expensive!), and very large amounts went on daycare for the kids, plus after-hours childcare. I also paid my way through three diploma courses, and two certificate courses (I left school at 15 and had NO qualifications when I started working). Believe it or not, I also gave quite a bit of money to various charities, and I helped out my friends and my sisters when they needed it. And I had a kid in school to pay for.
It actually doesn't add up to quite as much money as it sounds though...we don't get the prices here that girls do in America. At best, we got about $120 an hour, and then paid tax and shift fees and sometimes drivers fees out of that. I often did the "specials" too (in an attempt to attract regular customers), where I got paid very little money at all. For example, at one stage the house was offering $70 for 20 minutes...I got $45 out of that, and still had to pay shift fees and tax. Not even street girls do it for that little!! LOL Plus, obviously sex workers don't get sick leave or holiday pay, so when you stop work for any reason, it eats up any savings you may have.
As for why I quit...I blurted that in another section not long ago. I got cervical cancer, had numerous biopsies and other tests and ended up having surgery...all of which meant I couldn't work for a long time. I also got a "normal" job, and it now takes up too much of my time to do anything else! The main reason I'm broke now is because I took a lot of time off both jobs when I was going backwards and forwards to hospital, and thanks to the ridiculous amounts of credit I took out while I was a sex worker (hoping to build up my credit rating, and never thinking that I may be forced out of the industry by my health), I now live way beyond my means.
And yes...I loved my job. And I miss it a lot. :)
And Joe...you can "expose" yourself to me anytime babe. I can just picture you in your long, beige trenchcoat..... ;)
Thanks RN! Your post is reassuring. Being careful pays big!
I just wonder about your cervical cancer. I remember hearing that that could be link to some viruses. Any thoughts?
Jeff
I have used many working girls over the years, mostly in New Zealand as I don't travel very much now. I hate condoms and have on many times gone without protection and the only thing I have ever caught is NSU from a girlfriend over 25 years ago. I have developed a "system" which has never let me down and I "know" when it is "safe" to go without protection. I get regular check ups. I know I am playing with fire, but that is me. I am single now and I try to get as many girls to pose for photos that are posted on a pay site. So sometimes, it works out that I am getting it for free.
If I had the backing, I would do that full time.
LONG LIVE THE BB RIDER! (Hopefully)
Jeffjimman...you're welcome. :)
The virus you are talking about that is often linked to cervical cancer is HPV (genital warts). There are many, many different wart viruses, but not all of them increase the risks of cervical cancer. The two highest risk types are numbers 16 and 18. If a woman tests positive to either of those types, she will need to start having very frequent pap smears because she is at much greater risk of cervical cancer. Here's something for you guys to think about too...types 16 and 18 rarely (if ever) cause visible warts. You will not know you have them until you are tested for them. This might seem fine for you...not warts, no problems...but keep in mind that if you pass the virus onto a woman, you will have greatly increased her chances of dying of cervical cancer.
However, not everyone who has HPV will get cervical cancer, and not everyone with cervical cancer has HPV. Doctors are still not sure exactly what causes it. Like most cancers, other risk factors include smoking, diet and genetic predispositions. There have been suggestions that the age when you first had sex and the age when you first gave birth can be risk factors. The biggest link (strangely enough) seems to be penile penetration. Nuns and lesbians rarely get cervical cancer, and the more men you have slept with, the greater your chances are of developing it. I was told by an oncologist that sex workers are the most "at risk" group of women when it comes to cervical cancer. Of course, the greater the number of partners you've had, the greater the chances are that you have contracted HPV...but even cervical cancer sufferers who are NOT HPV+ seem to still report high numbers of sex partners.
And I know you are dying to ask...no, I am not HPV positive. :) But the wart virus is one of the most prevalent in our society, and in the interest of your wife/girlfriend/sex worker's lives, it's something that you should be tested regularly for if you are sexually active...especially if you aren't always using condoms. And don't forget that HPV is transmitted skin-to-skin, so condoms are not necessarily going to give you effective protection anyway.
(Can you tell I just did an STI training refresher course this week?? LOL)
Hi RN,
In reference to your 9-20 posting you revealed that you never caught any type of disease. I'm greatly impressed. Good for you.
When one uses a condom at all times and correctly it negates everything covered by the latex. However, what about areas NOT covered by the condom and skin-to skin contact near the lower abdomen that can lead to Herpes, HPV, Molluscum and other viruses?
You stated that you always used an anti-bacterial soap afterward. In your opinion, did this anti-bacterial soap wash off the potential viruses and insulate you as a result from getting infected? What's your opinion?
I guess that my greatest fear is contracting Herpes or HPV outside of the latex barrier around the groin or lower abdomen. Herpes and HPV cannot be cured and represent (it seems) the greatest threat for condom users. If we could solve this problem sex with a Pro would be almost risk free for both parties. Any other hints beyond anti-bacterial soap???
Thanks for your expertise as always.
Just as an aside on the issue of anti-bacterial soaps -- it's probably worth noting that in reality ALL soaps are anti-bacterial for the most part, and according to one study, the use of specifically labelled anti-bacterial soap basically increases the effectiveness of germ killing from 99.4% to 99.6%. So people shouldn't really feel they have to run around carrying their own little bottles of anti-bacterial in order to be safe from surface gremlins -- a good washing with regular soap is for all intents and purposes just as effective.
Hi Joe,
Yes, I've read the same thing in reference to anti-bacterial vs. regular soap. Studies indicate that there is no real difference.
To take matters on step further, my Dermatologist stated that using alcohol wipes to cleanse the non-covered condom areas around the groin and lower abdomen would be even more effective that soap in terms of killing viruses. What do you think?
Admittedly, it would look a bit strange wiping yourself with alcohol towelettes after sex. The girl is going to be wondering what this crazy American is up to now?
Alcohol wipes might be more effective, but there are two things -- first, how much more effective does one really need than the 99.4% of germ killing that regular soap does, and second, frequent use of alcohol wipes on sensitive areas not only doesn't sound like much fun but it might also cause irritation, which would actually increase your risk should you go a second round.
The girl's gonna wonder even more about the crazy American if he wipes himself off and then hops around saying, "Ow!" :)
Touche!!!
Hi RN,
Been reading your post. I would love to hear your opinion on the following story.
Without naming names, I read about a guy that travels all over the world (mainly southeast asia) having sex, WITHOUT CONDOMS, and then writes the what,when and where about it. I am assuming the #s are in the thousands. He insists he has never had a STD or tested pos. for AIDS. What he says he does is "pound down a beer" before he has sex and immediately after sex he withdraws, takes a good healthy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], washes his penis with anti-bacterial soap. Next, he uses Hydrogen Peroxide to rinse it. Then he spreads open his penis and forces some Hydrogen Peroxide up his urethra as far as possible.
What is your take on this?
Thanks in advance for your response.
Peterman
Hiya Peterman,
I might just take this opportunity to add (for those who didn't know me before my handle change) that although I HAVE done extensive professional training in STIs, I am NOT a nurse. It's just coincidence that RN also stands for Registered Nurse. Just so you know... :)
Anyway, I would say that the guy you described is either a) incredibly stupid and probably lying about not catching anything or b) incredibly lucky. I mean..it's certainly possible. Men, being the insertive partner, are less at risk of disease than women are. And even if you had slept with 5000 women, if it happened that none of those particular girls had a disease, then you wouldn't catch anything anyway. On the other hand, you may only sleep with ONE woman and catch herpes. Luck of the draw.
Personally though, I find it very hard to believe. But I don't know enough about it to cast judgement. For instance, how often does he get tested? Some infections clear up by themselves. If for example, he had molluscum or genital warts, it's possible that he could have caught it, spread it around half of southeast Asia, and then got rid of it, BEFORE he even had a test done. And he says he has never tested positive for HIV...could that be because he has never had a test at all? (I'm not saying that is the case of course...just that it's a possibility). And if he IS being tested and his last test was less than six months ago, he could have it right now and not know it yet, thanks to the window period. Either way HIV is a lot harder to catch than most infections, so to sleep with heaps of people and not catch it, really isn't a major achievement.
Peroxide in the eye of the penis has gotta be one of the most counter-productive methods I've ever heard of. (Plus, the thought of it brings tears to my eyes...and I don't even have a penis!! LOL) I would think that it would burn all hell out of your dick, leaving it raw and inflamed and just begging for some nasty bug to creep in there next time you have sex. Washing up after sex certainly can't hurt at all, and pissing straight after sex helps prevent cystitis in women and "cleans out" the urethra for men so that's also a good idea, but I wouldn't rely on it to stop disease transmission. Like I said though...I'm not really a nurse.
Paddy,
Everything we enjoy comes with a certain degree of risk. Drinking can cause hangovers, smoking can cause cancer, and skydiving can cause rather large amounts of pain if the parachute doesn't open! LOL There are heaps of consequences to having sex, from infections to pregnancy...and yet we continue to do it. I think there is a fine line between being concerned for your health, and worrying yourself into abstinence. Sex is not ever "safe". We can do our best to make it SAFER, but there will always be the chance that something will go wrong. It doesn't matter whether you're with a hooker or your wife...you can never really be sure unless you can guarantee you know their sexual history and/or their health status at that EXACT moment (not a month ago when they had the test, but they've slept with five people since). All you can do is use condoms and check for visible signs of infection before you have sex. Maybe scrubbing with soap is good too, maybe it does nothing at all. I don't know for sure, but washing off any germs on your skin before they "take hold" makes sense to me....and it certainly can't do any harm!
When it comes down to it though, the only way to be TOTALLY safe is complete abstinence. And I for one am not willing to take my sexual health quite THAT seriously!! LOL
washing your winky with hydrogen peroxide seems like a good idea until you do it and then you realize that it wasn't [experience speaking here]
i'm sure this has been asked many times before, but i can't seem to find the answer so please bare with me.
how dangerous is it to receive a bbbj? i have a hard time believing it is dangerous since they do it in pornos while using condoms for anal and vaginal sex. it doesnt make sense that they would bother using condoms if it didnt matter any way since they were exposing themselves by doing oral. porno makers are losing millions for using condoms.
I'll quote RN from a previous message -- "Blowjobs without a condom...you can get chlamydia, gonohorrea, herpes, and a few other nasties. WITH a condom, you can still get herpes if her lips touch your balls or base of the penis. "
So, yes, there's a risk, but it's considerably lower, and with the exception of herpes, all of those are curable. You're missing the big three -- HIV, syphilis and hepatitis.
Sex with a Twist ... Lemons Provide Protection?
Thu Oct 10, 8:44 AM ET
CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australian scientists believe they have rediscovered an effective use for lemon juice -- as a contraceptive and also a killer of the AIDS (news - web sites) virus.
Reproductive physiologist Roger Short, from the University of Melbourne's obstetrics department, said a few drops of lemon juice can be a cheap, easy-to-use solution to protect women from both HIV (news - web sites) and pregnancy.
The juice should be squeezed onto a piece of sponge or cotton wool and placed into the vagina before sex, he said.
"We can show in the lab that lemon juice is very effective in immobilizing human sperm and also very effective in killing HIV," Short told Australian Broadcasting Corp television in a science program to be shown later on Thursday.
He said lime juice, which has similar acid levels, can also be used, with both fruits often freely available in poor countries where contraception is hard to come by.
Short said laboratory tests found not only does lemon juice kill sperm, it also kills the AIDS virus itself.
Short said using lemon juice as a contraceptive was not a new idea but it had fallen by the wayside over the years.
The ancient douche-style contraceptive was encouraged by such luminaries as Casanova, renowned for his sexual prowess.
"This has been used for hundreds of years and we've just forgotten about it," said Short, who is planning to conduct some field trials in Thailand.
"About 300 years ago, Mediterranean women used lemon juice as their main method of contraception."
HIV And Lemons: Sour But Safe
Mail & Guardian (Johannesburg) NEWS
October 4, 2002
By Tom Learmont
Johannesburg
A scientist has proved that lemon juice kills the HI virus on contact
After investigating traditional contraceptive techniques, an eminent Australian-based scientist has proved that lemon juice diluted five to one with water kills HIV and sperm within seconds.
Roger Short's findings will be made public in a scientific paper read at The Ninth International Symposium on Spermatology at the University of the Western Cape next week.
Symposium convener Professor Gerhard van der Horst is excited by the discovery of a cheap, universally available, non-technical way to block HIV transmission, and describes Short's paper as "a milestone".
A woman whose husband insists on "nyama to nyama" can protect herself against HIV transmission with a small sponge and watered-down lemon juice, perhaps leaving him none the wiser. Men may also anoint themselves with the acidic juice to prevent transmission.
The abstract of the paper says: "Historically, lemon juice on a sponge, or half a lemon placed over the cervix, was widely used as an effective contraceptive. We have shown that 20% lemon juice (final concentration) in human semen irreversibly immobilises 100% of sperm in less than 30 seconds. A similar concentration also rapidly inactivates HIV. Thus intra-vaginal lemon juice might provide a cheap, readily available and extremely effective way of stopping the sexual transmission of HIV, whilst also providing contraception."
The paper refers to additional strategies, including circumcision for men, which more than halves the risk of HIV infection. The virus appears to enter the penis via specific HIV-receptive Langerhans cells on the inner surface of the foreskin. The vagina has its own Langerhans cells that are also the main entry point for HIV in women.
Thickening the vaginal epithelium by oestrogen administration could provide cheap, safe and effective HIV protection for women, but drug firms are not interested, says Short.
Based at the University of Melbourne, Short is also professor-at-large at Cornell University in the United States, and a visiting fellow of Green College, Oxford. His career began in England at Cambridge in 1956. He was co-editor and principal author of the eight-volume Reproduction in Mammals published by Cambridge University Press from 1972 onward, which was translated into six languages.
The lemon juice breakthrough is not the first scientific bombshell he has lobbed. He was part of the Cambridge University team that crossed a camel with a llama in Dubai. He also co-authored a physiological study presenting strong evidence that the elephant was an aquatic mammal in an earlier evolutionary phase. He has published more than 300 scientific papers and, with Dr Malcolm Potts, wrote a bestseller aimed at the layman: Ever Since Adam and Eve: The Evolution of Human Sexuality (1999).
After researching circadian rhythms in mammals, Short took out US and European Union patents on the use of the chemical messenger melatonin to counteract the adverse effects of air and space travel. Melatonin has been tested aboard the Russian space station Mir, and is recommended to all Nasa astronauts. The patents are licensed to US drug giant Eli Lilly at present, through the Australian company Circadian Technologies.
Short's interest in the transmission of HIV infection arose naturally from his research activities of the past 20 years, which focused on contraception, the evolution of human reproduction and the causes of the Earth's overpopulation.
CONDOMS
We all use them. Most of us HATE them but are too afraid to take the risk without them. With the thousands of men reviewing this board. Which do you like the best? I for one am looking for better sensation.
Paganslave,
Unfortunately every darn condom has a different name in every country. In Australia, the best ones I've used are Durex Fetherlite. Obviously I can't say what they're like for guys from experience ('coz I'm not a man!) but I can say that they are really popular here among clients. Also, a lot of working girls use them in their private lives. They conduct heat REALLY well. This is gonna sound a bit graphic, but when a man cums inside me wearing one, I can literally FEEL it coming out. First time it happened, I thought the condom had broken! If it conducts heat so well from my end, I'm guessing it does the same for the man wearing it.
I think, (from memory), America has a brand called Trojan Ultra-thins that does the same thing. Go to www.condomania.com and search for either "ultra-thin" or "extra-sensitive". You should be able to find a brand that's available in your country.
PS...Another tip for extra comfort is to always wear the right sized condom. If it's too big it will bunch up when you have sex, and if it's too small it will cut off the circulation and delay ejeculation. (Plus they are more likely to break or slip off). If you find a condom you really like and you want a working girl to use it, take a brand new, UNOPENED box of them with you. Many girls will not use condoms that you've brought with you otherwise.
I'm curious about the last statement, RN -- why won't those sex workers you mention use condoms from an open box, considering the individual ones are still wrapped? I presume it's a fear they've been somehow tampered with but why exactly would a guy want to do that, considering that he's still going to be wearing it, and thus still losing the degree of sensation that comes with that? Is there some sort of history here?
For starters, we don't know where it's been! Condoms need to be kept in cool, dark places or they become brittle. For all we know, the condom could have been in the guy's wallet for a year or sitting in the glovebox of his car in the summer heat. The Health Dept will not allow stores to swap/refund condoms for that reason...for example if you accidentally bought ribbed condoms instead of plain, the shop will not allow you to exchange them.
The other reason is there are men who would prefer to go bareback, and are willing to do anything to achieve it. If you take a look in the archives (I wish I could remember the idiot's name...but he actually 'claimed' to be a doctor!!), you will find a guy who TOLD men to put pinpricks in condoms to increase the risk of them breaking during sex.
Obviously not all girls will refuse condoms that guys bring with them, especially those in other countries I guess, but a Western "professional" will be unlikely to use them unless they're still in the box (and preferably with the store receipt!) Sounds fussy I know, but we are more at risk than you boys are if the condom is unreliable. :)
Hmm, well, do you only eat food or drink beer you store as well, or will you accept that brought to you by someone else? By that logic were I to want to increase the risk of condom brittleness I could just leave the whole box out in the sun or in the glove compartment, or stick them on top of or next to a heating vent, and it's easy enough to just buy a new box for a recent receipt. I could go out and buy or get access to a shrink-wrap machine and/or glue gun to make opened packages look new. If I truly want to present a damaged condom as one that's pristine, there's very little to stop me.
I absolutely understand the risk issues, and we've been in enough discussions that you know I'm well aware of the medical aspects, but there's also a point at which precaution becomes paranoia and breeds mistrust, which can do nothing but negatively impact the vibe, and which I believe can also thereby increase the risk, as stress also has something to do with resistance. If I were with a provider who only wanted to use her own particular condom, which I'm generally only going to see as a separated single, and which I also have no great idea about storage or care, as opposed to one of mine which is clearly torn from a sequence or the second one from an almost-full box, and she were to tell me something of that sort, I expect I'd both be half-waiting for a scam to ensue or basically be waiting from the beginning to be told to hurry up and come or that only this that or the other was going to happen, since it would be clear that the provider didn't trust me, and had no great concern or respect for me in the equation.
I've had providers who do only wrapped blows tell me that they prefer this or that condom because of taste or texture, and others who stated preference for this or that brand for sensation, allergy, or comfort issues, and that's fine and I never press the issue, but it's always been light and fairly optional. I've never had anyone outright refuse to use one I brought -- including a fair number of "Western professionals."
And regardless of the basic statistics about who gets what from whom, the bottom line from my perspective as someone who practices fairly safe sex is that whatever sex professional I'm with has had a far greater number of partners than I have, and that I'm therefore also exposed to any idiot who wants to put pin-pricks in condoms (or manages to convince the temporary partner I'm with not to use them by waving around enough cash.) So I have my own levels of concern and need for control -- I don't care about the stats; as someone in this situation who's engaging in multiple-partner activity with someone whose sexual history I've no great insight into, I'm also at risk and it's not something I see as an occupational hazard for which I'm getting compensated.
I know the "clients can be idiots and assholes" side of things, but I've been in enough situations with sex workers who don't know squat about what kinds of lubrication increase the risk of breakage that I don't have undue faith in the safe-sex education of my hired partner either.
The 'BYO condoms in a new box' thing is something quoted by workers in Oz, America, Canada and England. I have also seen men tell each other, on boards like this, that THEY have been told the same thing by working girls. I was just passing it on. To tell the truth, I have never personally had a client bring his own condoms for me to use. However, I do think that I would refuse him if he whipped one out of his pocket. I know that *I* have looked after my condoms correctly and I can't really be certain about his, so for my own protection I will only use the ones I'm certain about. HE doesn't know whether I look after MY condoms or not either...but that's not my problem. *grin* As the service provider, *I* am required to have the appropriate personal protective equipment available and I am required to know how to use it properly. (And I hold governments and law enforcement solely responsible for the fact that there are sex workers who don't know the first thing about safe sex). You can't provide your own syringes or gloves when you go to a doctor...you can't bring your own needles when you get a tattoo...
Anyway, I like to have my own condoms that I know taste good! :)
RN and Joe_zop,
Thanks for the info. Currently ALL of the working gals that I've been with have expected me to have a condom. (Portugal, Central Asia, Turkey, and Germany) Interesting. Out of curiosity, RN, which tastes the best to you?
Germany as well? Wow...I would kinda expect it from the other countries you mentioned, but I didn't realise it was like that in Germany. I don't know much about the industry in Germany, and I guess I pictured it as similar to Amsterdam and other European places. Out of interest...and I 'spose I probably already know the answer, but I'm gonna ask anyway...if the guy doesn't bring a condom, what happens then? Do the girls just do it without?
As for tasty condoms, there's a brand here called Glyde that make Vanilla, Wildberry and Blueberry flavoured condoms...they are soooo yummy! They taste just like lollies (or candy or whatever you call them where you live!), and they smell delicious too. The lubricant on regular condoms tastes pretty foul, so if there's no flavoured ones around I will go for whatever condoms have the least lubricant on them.
But please guys, don't EVER give a girl a condom that's got spermicide on it!!! Every working girl I've ever known has put one of them in her mouth...ONCE. It's not something you'd ever be stupid enough to do twice! LOL They burn your tongue and make your lips go numb, and the taste stays in your mouth for hours no matter how many times you rinse it. Ewwwwwwwww.
RN -
The lubricants used can get on guys' nerves too. I've used brands where the lubricant started to get a rather pungent odor after a fair amount of condom use (or was it my imagination?).
I'd be interested as well what these girls do if you didn't bring a condom. If I was wary of pregnancy, STD, germs of any kind, as any normal person should be, I'd sure as hell carry a pack in my purse, even if I expected the guy to bring them.
Whenever I've used a condom that was "non-standard", I've made it very clear to my partner (paid or unpaid) what I'd be slipping on BEFORE she got the nasty surprise of an unpleasant or unusual sensation/taste.
Cmon guys, just because we pay them for their bodies, don't be rude and put something noxious in their mouths.
It's an interesting problem regarding lube, isn't it, though since Nonoxynol 9 now appears to have nothing to do with preventing HIV infection and may actually expose women to more danger, spermacide really can't be recommended in any event. So, RN, you're saying that from a sex worker perspective, you absolutely prefer the unlubed kinds, right?
Chris, you've spent time in SE Asia, and you know that lack of a brought condom in that region means a) nothing's going to happen and the deal's off or b) the woman is going to offer to do without or c) she will actually have a condom, but seeks to save money by using yours or most definitely d) it's time to stop panting and run the the store.
And given that prior to the recent UN study regarding Nonoxynol that it was highly recommended to use those kinds of condoms, this is something that didn't get nearly enough play, especially given not only the clear counterindications for use but the basically very nasty taste involved. I suspect very few people really have it in their brains yet (and it's certainly nothing the industry is trumpeting) that they should probably avoid condoms with spermicide for disease protection, and it's unclear just how effective the combo is at preventing pregnancy above and beyond simple condom use.
RN,
The answer is as you expect. No condom, no problem. The ball falls clearly into the guys court. STIs are very much on the rise in Central Asia. I was last in Uzbekistan in 2001 and heard that the HIV rate is actually being suppressed by the government.
Chris,
[i]"Cmon guys, just because we pay them for their bodies, don't be rude and put something noxious in their mouths."[/i]
That was so sweet! :) I have to admit, being an Aussie (where we certainly don't rely on a man to supply the condom), I have nobody to blame but myself for the spermicide experience! I realised I'd left my supplies in the car just as I was going into a booking, and I accepted an offer of an emergency condom from a new girl. I should have known better...new girls always seem to carry those darn things! LOL
Joe,
[i]"...you're saying that from a sex worker perspective, you absolutely prefer the unlubed kinds, right?"[/i]
Personally, yes. I can't stand the taste of pre-lubricated condoms! (Unless it's flavoured lube on flavoured condoms, of course!) And really, as far as the 'sex worker perspective' goes, lubricating condoms is completely redundant. There is not enough lube on them to actually decrease the risk of breakages, so you need to add extra lube anyway. I would much prefer to have unlubricated condoms for French, and then I can just add my own lube for the sex. I guess pre-lubricated condoms are a good idea for "normal" people though, who don't necessarily always have a bottle of lube near the bed (or for street based workers). A little bit of lube on the condom would be better than none at all.
re: the Nonoxynol-9 findings...our local SW agency has long recommended that working girls shouldn't use them. It may have been ok for the average person who has sex once a week or so, but when you're having sex 6 or 7 times a day, the side-effects are more than obvious. Complaints range from an increased incidence of thrush, right up to such severe burning that sex is no longer possible for the rest of the shift (depending on the woman's sensitivity to it). I never used them myself...because I figured they would taste bad (and then found out the hard way that I was right! LOL)...but a lot of new girls use them when they start, thinking that it must be the safest thing to do. More experienced workers will usually tell them to go buy some normal ones, because the spermicide will end up making them sore.
i'm very new at this hobby --- in fact only have *three* experiences total...
Each time the girl provided an extremely thin Red condom
that fits snuggly around your base but is loose enough
--- and sheer enough --- that it doesn't even feel like yer wearing one !!
The last time i used condoms --- back in the '70s --- they were so thick and tight that the old "taking a shower in a raincoat" analogy really made sense
But *THESE* are Incredible !!!
Does anyone out there know what BRAND these new ones are ???
What is a dental dam? Something that makes it safe to eat a woman? How does it work? Alternatives? What about just using some ceran wrap from the kitchen?
jeff
after an unprotected sex encounter, do i have to wait for a certain period before i see the doctor, or can a diagnosis be made immediately afterwards? obviously i am not talking about HIV, but the more "regular" stuff like chlamydia or the clap.
thanks for your input.
I would contact a doctor or Public Health Clinic and ask them immediately:
1) You would want baseline results (to make sure you do not have anything now, also, if anything develops, you'd be able to tell it was from this encounter)
2) The doctor/clinic will tell you symptoms to watch for and tell you when to come in for tests. Tests are constantly being updated and improved. Many test results now take minutes or hours to obtain.
Loafer,
Get the base-line test done TODAY.
Lew Archer is absolutely right in all that he has said. Anyone in this circumstance owes it to themselves and others to get a base-line.
Believe it or not, I have my own bloods and bacterial profile done every six months. Admittedly that’s extreme, but then I work in a hospital, know the G.U.M. & Haemo boys and so the tests are free. For a regular monger I would urge a base-line at least every 12 to 18 months…
Regards,
Havanaman
thanks guys.
what i actually wanted to know is: how long does it take for bacteria to become traceable in a test, on the basis of only one single unprotected sex encounter.
admittedly an academic question for regular mongers, but perhaps of some interest to those who have this one-off "accident". if there is a possibility of getting tested too early, it might create a wrong feeling of comfort in case the test result was negative.
There are many factors to knowing when a virus or bacteria is first traceable in the bloodstream (assuming the person is totally "clear" of anything prior to being exposed):
1) The virus/bacteria one is trying to detect (how fast does it replicate to the point when it is detectable?). There is a general range of time for each virus/bacteria if one searched the texts. The time is listed as a range because there are other factors such as. . .
2) The body's immune response to foreign invaders . . . Many viruses/bacteria are not detected directly but as an apect of noticing antibodies and/or the immune response to that bacteria.
Also, such things as the 3) Type of test being used and the turnaround time for such a test. A test maybe able to detect a type of bacteria within 24 hours for instance, but may cost 10x the cost of a test your physician may use that takes 3 days for instance.
To cut this long and complicated post short, listen to Havanaman and get tested NOW. Anything which you fear you may have is detectable by now. You can tell the physician when the suspected infection occurred (date of the sexual contact), and the physician can tell you whether a repeat test will be necessary. For your peace of mind, you may want to take repeat tests in 6 months anyway.
Lew Archer’s explanations are correct. Nicely done. I would totally endorse his 6 month re-test recommendation.
Loafer, as you can see from Lew’s post, it's hard to give you a definitive time line, however work on 7 – 10 days for bacterial / fungal infections. Genitourinary viral infections take a lot longer to establish, and will depend on class of virus. If you’re thinking the of the worst-case scenario: don’t! As simplistic as it may sound: “think healthy”, “get and stay in shape” (if you need to…) and if you don’t already, start taking multi-vits-mineral supplements daily. Our general health-status helps to not only keep us “healthy” (sorry!), but also fight infections (viral, bacterial and fungal).
Hey, I know how to sell being healthy! Listen to this: if you are at your peak of health for your age: your erections will be harder, and they will last longer. Your stamina will also last longer and you will ejaculate volumes! Need any more incentive?
Regards,
Havanaman
A few quick questions for any medical professionals who may be reading the board:
How long before a person who has been exposed to gonorrhea is contagous to others?
What would be a more effective means of transmitting gonorrhea: having one's face spit upon by an infected person? Unprotected oral sex on a male? Open mouth kissing an infected person? or Placing an unprotected finger in an infected vagina?
I understand that these may be difficult questions to answer and that science may not be exact but I'm curious about the relative likliehoods of each and am trying to settle a bet/convince some one that the disease is not something to be toyed with and that treatment is absolutely necessary.
Thanks.
I will leave the transmission methods, etc, to the medical professionals, but I do want to say something about just how "absolutely necessary" treatment really is.
Women rarely develop symptoms of Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia. That means that unless the women you sleep with are regularly tested, they could have the disease for months...even years...before they find out. During that time, Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia can cause PID (Pelvic Inflammatory Disease), which can be very dangerous. PID is not only extremely painful, but it could also kill her. If the infection itself doesn't kill her, PID can leave her with internal scarring which could lead to either a) infertility, meaning she may never have children, or b) ectopic pregnancies, which if not caught in time could kill her. If the woman was pregnant when infected, or gets pregnant before she finds out she has it, the effects of gonorrhoea can be devastating for the baby.
Men often consider Gonorrhoea a "minor" infection. And a lot of the time for MEN...it is. But as you can see, the effects are not so minor for the women that an infected man sleeps with. For their PARTNER'S sake, men should always take Gonorrhoea and Chlamydia very seriously. Please assure your friend that an STI that can cause the DEATH of one of his female partners, is definitely not something to be "toyed with".
Thanks for the info, RN. I'm trying to convince a "friend" that her actions, no matter what she does, can be harmful and she needs to checked out and treated. She's sure that some practices are considerably less harmful to engage in than others. That may be true but why not just get the treatment and move on. She's convinced that if she doesn't have "sex" (I don't always know what people mean when they use that term...) she won't pass it on and can still apply her trade without fear of infecting others. That's reason for the transmission questions. If anyne else can provide some additional insight, I'd appreciate it.
Too many unfeeling assholes out there caring more for their own pleasure and safety, not giving a damn about the service girls' wellbeing.
There are those who will say that men don't have to care, but I for one do. If we aren't atleast showing them a basic form of human sympathy and kindness, we could put them all out of action. We don't want that now do we?
STDs (from someone who's been there, bought the T-shirt)
My impression - and my personal experience - is that you mainly get these things through intercourse.
1) Gonorrhoea has a quick onset (1 or 2 days). Acute symptoms, easy to (self)-diagnose, whitish discharge, burning sensation when pissing. If caught in South-East Asia, the strain may be resistant to most drugs, so cefixime is the oral drug to take (400 mg once, twice at the most).
2) Chlamydia has a delayed onset (days, typically one week). Classical treatment is with tetracycline (e.g. Vibramycine) and should last at least 10 days. Symptoms are subdued. No discharge, only itching or slight pain when pissing.
Problem: gonorrhoea is can be transmitted together with chlamydia but Cefixime and tetracyclines should not be taken simultaneously because they reduce one another's effectiveness.
Solution (for short stays): treat gonorrhoea immediately you think you've got it, as under 1 above. On last day of stay(day of the last fuck), swallow 400mg cefixime even if there are no symptoms. This closes the gonorrhoea account, so to speak. When home, wait for two days for the cefixime to get washed out, then go 10 days on tetracycline to take care of any Chlamydia.
This leaves out syphilis, which I haven't experienced yet, thank heavens for that. From what I've gathered, the tetracycline may do more harm than good here because it can mask the dermatological tell-tale signs of syphilis, yet might not be sufficient to eradicate it. What can be done is to get oneself tested for syphilis whenever one does an aids test.
Herpes? This one is supposed to be ubiquitous. Indeed, I was diagnosed with herpes antibodies in my blood years ago, so I had at least one fuck with a herpes carrier in my life. Never had any symptom, though. Probably highly variable from person to person.
Buddybingo,
I'm sorry...I presumed your "friend" was a man. Is she a working girl, or are you talking about some other sort of trade where fluids may be transmitted?
If she is a working girl, I have to admit that the risks of her infecting someone else if she's not doing sex, are extremely slim. Condoms are excellent protection against gonorrhoea.
(I should say though that lots of "massage only" girls rub their genitals against the man's genitals during a body-to-body massage, and that could prove almost as risky as intercourse).
If she has gonorrhoea, it would be pretty safe for her to give BJs and have sex using a condom (providing the condom doesn't break of course), BUT she could infect her clients with gonorrhoea of the throat if they go down on her. Likewise, if SHE had gonorrhoea of the throat, she could infect clients if she was giving them BBBJs. I'm not sure about risks associated with kissing, etc, in the case of gonorrhoea of the throat, but if the infection is "down below" there shouldn't be any real risk in activities that don't involve genitals touching. Massage, hand relief, and even the clients fingering her would be safe...although he should probably watch what he does with his fingers afterwards!
Still, like I said in my last post, gonorrhoea and chlamydia can be very, very dangerous for women. She needs to realise that if she has it, she simply MUST get treatment for her own sake. It's as simple as a ten day course of antibiotics. And here's something else for her to think about...
Most married men do not tell their wives that they are visiting sex workers, so wives have no reason to ever have an STI test done. What that means is that if a working girl gives gonorrhoea or chlamydia to a client, he could give it to his wife and she probably won't find out she has it until it's too late. By that time the damage may already be done. I don't know about your "friend", but *I* certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for doing that to another woman. (Oh...and don't forget all the other WORKING GIRLS that client may infect as well!!) For anyone...working girl or not...to know that they have an infection and do nothing about it, is extremely irresponsible and in my opinion, outright selfish.
Breast Kissing Risks???
New subject for forum?
I love to do this as a prelude, but...
1. Is anything generally transferable from the nipple?
2. If someone else did same before, how long do salivary germs stay active on a *dry* surface like the nipple and breast?
I have heard of HIV being present in mothers milk and you can get milk from non-nursing women, but usually only a little. I would think this is almost a 100% safe activity provided you are not injesting milk and even then would be 99.999 safe. Go for it.
Now a body-to-body massage sounds exciting right about now.
;-)
I have a question for anybody that has real knowledge and not just amateur hour bullshit so this goes to the true health professionals, no offense evryone else, OK?
I am a practicing male **** and love every minute of it, especially since I sufferred a massive heart attack last year and my cardiologist gives me even odds of making it 2 years, probably less so I have to admit that I have become far less discriminating when it comes to strange pussy in terms of safe sex. Now I always have and always will wear a condom for the main event or anal, but I don't like raincoats during BJ's so I almost always get BBBJ's. In fact, if the girl won't provide it, I take a pass on her.
I also love 69 and ferociously eat pussy unprotected as well.
Furthermore, I like to finger and sometimes even lick girls assholes as part of the whole session. I have even engaged in gangbangs with several guys doing one girl consenually.
Never said I was a nice man, just an old ****, I admit.
Now my wife of 25 years and I have been having a pretty bad rough patch over the last couple of years which hasn't exactly done much to slow my mongering down I can tell you, but on my side, I was absolutely faithful to her for 20 years. Yeah I know, you can't be a little bit pregnant, so sue me!
Anyway, a few weeks ago, she informs me that she went to her doctor because she was feeling run down. As part of the tests they ran on her, they tested her for STD's. ( Turns out she's anemic and they're treating it with iron, etc. ) Well, guess what?
She, very pissed off I might add, informs me that the tests showed she has HPV Human Papillary Virus ( or something close to that, I forget exactly what the P stands for ). Anyway, she tells me that it's a virus and once you got it, you got it, period. No cure. From what I gather it's sort of like warts.
Now of course her question for me, and she looks me dead in the eye and tells me Don't Lie! where did she get it? Right, like I'm going to deviate from my normal self and tell the truth? No F'ing way! Now, she told me that the doctor asked if her partner, me, had ever had an STD. Well, she knew that years ago when I was 19, I had gonnorhea so I reminded her of that and even mentioned that I had it twice that year. The doctor did say that it was possible for it to have lingered in my system and manifest itself years later. Naturally, I jumped on that and mentioned that perhaps my heart attack weakened state or somehow with all the needles and people puncturing me had somehow infected me. She bought it well enough to get me off the hook, for now. I mean, let's be honest here, I sat there and it occurred to me that there was no real value in 'fessing up at this point because if I did, I was a dead man, possibly literally and at least figuratively with a strong liklihood of a kick my ass outa the house and divorce pronto happening which, despite my prediliction for pussy, I don't want so I lied...again!
So, my question is...can anybody shed light on my situation? Did I in all liklihood infect her? How? Can it be treated or cured? Is it likely to damage her further? Etc etc. I really will appreciate sold information.
Now if I did infect her then it should serve as a warning to all my good mongering friends and allies out there that there is a real risk and sometimes you get the bear and sometimes it gets you.
Ok, as a "professional", let me say this.
There can be NO way of knowing where she caught it from until you get tested. If you test as clean, either you didn't give it to her, or you are just the luckiest fuck alive.
Your best bet is to march right on down arm in arm with your wife, and get yourself tested, and tested again later if it doesn't show positive. Either you infected her, or she could have infected you. Test yourself.
Professionalism aside, chances are good that she knows or atleast suspects you've been doing something, although she might just be throwing suspicion in all directions trying to find out how she got it.
By lying to her now, you risk it coming down even harder later on, especially if some "health professionals" back you into a corner and press you for details of exactly how many people you've slept with.
Coming clean with her will ease her confusion, help her to get on with things, and will let her know that atleast sometimes you can be honest with her.
If you can't tell her the truth, don't bother standing by her, she needs honest and supportive people right now.
Chris,
Thanks for this response. Can you tell me anything about HPV in detail?
Let me say this to you...I have little doubt that I probably gave it to her. I am going to my doctor to be tested tomorrow. Be that as it may, there is no way to prove one way or another who gave it to who and from what I understand, since there is no cure per se, then fessing up would serve no purpose as I see it. I am a lying sack of shit and always have been in business and other areas. I haven't had to ie about faithfulness or lack thereof until very recently. I really don't want my marriage to end and I am 100% certain that it would should I confess to her my hoby activities. She already gets all the property and assets in the event we divorce so money is not a motive for not wanting to tell her. I just see no point in telling her the truth when it won't change anything and will only heap more misery on top, but I do understand and even appreciate your viewpoint. 20/20 hindsight, there's lots of things I would do differently in my life, but it's too late now.
Frankly, I have no intention of telling her I am being tested nor the outcome be it positive or negative unless it shows some other disease and then I would tell her I had been tested and wanted her to know about the other disease.
Trashman -
I have no significant experience with HPV, so cannot tell you anything about it that you couldn't read yourself elsewhere.
I'm glad you're getting tested, but honesty really is best. The choice ultimately is up to you, but I find it best to be honest.
Positive results, I trust, had better make you rethink your safe sex practices in all areas. Condoms will become your best friend, and will keep the girls happier too.
Trashman,
Anything you ever wanted to know about HPV... [url]http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/3766/links.html[/url]
You will never really know who gave it to who...she may have had it since before you were married, or you may have, or you may have caught it recently from one of the other women you've slept with. HPV is extremely common in our community...many, many people are positive, but don't know. It's also very easily transmitted, because it's one of those infections that condoms don't necessarily protect you from (although condom use would certainly decrease the risk).
There are over 60 types of HPV...some cause visible warts and some don't. I am presuming she doesn't have visible warts, or you probably would have mentioned her undergoing treatment by burning or freezing them off. A few types don't cause visible warts, but are strongly linked to cervical cancer. Your wife will need to have Pap smears much more regularly than she used to, as her chances of dysplasia will be greatly increased. If she smokes as well, her chances of developing cancer are even higher.
I agree with everything ChrisC30 has said. I have to admit, it amazes me that a married man can sleep with countless women as well as his wife...and perform unprotected acts with all of them... and not even think to have an STI test in 5 whole years. I just hope other men learn from your experience and take heed of your warning.
(And yes, I am a fully trained, bona fide sexual health educator...not just the board's resident hooker. :))
PS...HPV is not necessarily a life-long infection. It CAN cure itself after a period of time, but that depends on how fit and healthy you are, how old you are, whether or not you smoke, etc. It's possible for a healthy immune system to eventually fight it off (although, that's not always the case).
Chris and RN,
Thank you both for taking the time to answer and for caring, I appreciate it.
To set the record straight, I have never had intercourse with any woman without wearing a condom except for my wife.
I have had oral performed on me both with and without condoms and I have performed oral sex on other women with no protection at all.
Additionally, I have touched and penetrated women with my fingers both vaginally and anally without any protection.
I specifically brought this up and was pretty open about it all in this forum as a warning to other men.
I only hope that I didn't make my wife ill although in my heart of hearts I feel that I probably did and feel very badly about that.
I will tell her of the test results either way. It was good to hear that perhaps her system can fight it off with time.
Thanks again
Well I went to the doctor today as I said I would and was tested right then and there for HPV, clap, and chlamydia and the results were negative. He said that he saw absolutely no sign of any kind either gross or microscopic of any infection of any kind. However, they are doing cultures just to be sure and drew blood to run a full battery of STD tests including HIV, Aids, Syphillis etc, the results of which will be available Friday. I will let you guys know.
Jst though you would appreciate the feedback
Trashman,
I really respect your decision to share what you're going through with the board. I know there are probably many men here who have been infected/exposed to STIs in some way, but feel too uncomfortable to talk about it. I think that probably gives some people a false sense of security... they read all these stories about men having sex with countless hookers, yet none of them ever seem to catch anything. People rarely seem to give too much thought to their wives' health, either.
Even if your test results all turn out negative (which I sincerely hope they do), your honesty here may just save someone else having to go through what you are experiencing. I hope this honesty extends to your marriage, and that you and your wife can get through this thing together. Best of luck, babe. :)
Trashman-
maybe a mutual confessional might be in order.
I guess you know she won't have got it from a toilet seat!
Seriously, how do you handle the situation now?
You did not infect her, she has not infected you, so it's a recent thing on her part.
This seems to be something of a 'nightmare scenario'.
I hope that you guys can sort it out.
Not necessarily. Either of them could have been infected years ago (Trashman mentioned he had gonorrhoea when he was younger...he could have picked up HPV at the same time), and Trashman's immune system may have been able to fight it off since then...her's may not have. Or it may have been dormant until now. Plus, he said in his first post that his wife "looked him in the eye and asked how she got it". Could have been a cover I guess, but I'm not sure that I would have confronted my husband with a question like that if I thought for a minute that it could have been MY fault.
It's impossible to ever really know who infected who. We already know that Trashman was sleeping around...and for all we know, his wife may have been as well. Or it may have happened long before they were married. But what's done is done. Blaming each other won't do any good...she's still gonna have HPV. All we can do now is wish them luck.
HPV (Human Papilloma Virus)
As far as I know, the jury is still out as to how HPV is transmitted and what it does to people.
HPV may not be a STD, and may even not be disease-causing ("passenger virus" etc.).
All,
Clearly this subject has struck a chord within many people and I appreciate all the comments.
As I said earlier, I decided to discuss this matter here for the very reason some have mentioned ...to save others from this ordeal possibly and to enlighten the monger comunity of married men especially of the possible consequences.
Personally, I could give a shit if I get sick and die especially now that I am living on borrowed time anyway but the last thing I would want to do is cause anyone else and especially my wife despite any differences we may have any pain and sufferring.
My doctor told me that HPV ( of which there are some 60 varieties ) is extremely common with 20 - 25 million people in the US alone infected. It often is not necessarily transmitted sexually!
Furthermore, there are many studies which indicate that people like me who have recently had their blood exposed multiple times to a wide variety of people can and do become infected non sexually. Additionally, with my severely weakened constitution and taking a lot of medications does dramatically increase chances of either infection or a virus formerly in remmission for years to flare up. And, as was pointed out here by others here, there is even the possibility that my wife may have been harboring the virus herself for years and it flared up in time of physical or mental stress.
I have no issues whatsover in regards to whether she was "fooling around" and caught it outside the marriage sexually either recently or long ago. To me, that's simply not the point. After 25 years of marriage, I am long past getting freaked out by that possibility and if I were to be, it would make me a huge hypocrite since for several years now I have been "fooling around" myself. As I see it, I have no right to be upset if she did fool around. I wouldn't like it and I wouldn't condone it butI sure as hell wouldn't be pissed off about it.
Let me be clear here. Despite everything I have said and done, I love my wife very much and deeply regret having embarked on the journeys I have been on, but as I have read other places, once you go down that path it's kind of a one way street with very little turning back. I have found myself getting deeper and deeper into darker and darker sides of I will reer to as pornographic based sex.
What am I going to do? Nothing. There is no point in hurting my wife and I don't want to be apart from her for any reason, at least not permanently. Therefore, I see no reason for unilateral or mutual confessions. We will move forward together, period.
i thought i would pass on my recent experience. about 1 month ago, i began to get a burning feeling during urination, that got progressively worse over a few days. fearing the worst, and looking on the internet, i thought for sure that i had picked up either gonorrhea, or chlymidia[sp?]. i also had a discharge following urination.
i went to a public health clinic, where you can get tested and treated free of charge, and more importantly, confidentially. the culture, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample, and blood work all came back negatively!
i should add that i was put on a 2x per day dose of doxycyclene pending the test results, for 14 days. my condition improved during the regimen of treatment, but was still present, though at a much reduced level, so i was still concerned.
i then went to a "regular md". what i had was prostatis, whose symptoms mimic std's. it clears up with an anti-bacterial antibiotic.
moral of the story-i was lucky! however, where there is smoke, does not always indicate fire![pun intended].
That you got it at the same time you got the other STD years ago is not only a plausible cover story, it may well be what actually happened.
Thor: headgames seems to be right. I got a dose of clap some time ago, the doctor told me i was cured, I went home to find the same symptoms again, almost the same day: Prostatis: the result of a bad does of the clap. These things work their way up your dick and bite when you least expect it; soemtimes, they have delayed action fuses. Apparently, if you are not careful, they get much worse with age. Moral: get thoroughly checked as there are lots of very nasty bugs to be picked up. No joke I am sure you agree.
Trashman: very interesting and welcome posts. However, a lot can be done with willpower. And sometimes we have to draw a line under things. Sometomes, of course, we have to leave them run their course. Depending on our personal make ups, there is a very dark side to this hobby of ours.
Skinless, you might be right, but the only other time I had anything[that I know of] was some 30 years ago when I got the clap[gonorrhea], in college. Of course that was during the time of "free love". I guess I really must have paid a price, with the delayed fuse. lol
I'm glad you're back to posting on the LOS boards. I want to try to get off the beaten track as well in SE Asia. Have you ever explored rural China away from the coast? thor
[QUOTE]Originally posted by thor
[i]Skinless, you might be right, but the only other time I had anything[that I know of] was some 30 years ago when I got the clap[gonorrhea], in college. [/i][/QUOTE]
Right, but you are talking about HPV, a low-level virus that may not show up for years, unlike, say, an infection, which is what gonorrhea is. You could have picked up herpes at the same time and still not know it, unless you actually see a blister and go to the doc and have it checked out.
Or so I have read.
Well, I promised those still tuned in an update when I got test results back from the doctor visit last week specifically to test for any STD's. Guess what? Despite being pretty well convinced that I would have a smorgasbord assortment of nasties, my tests all came back 100% negative. The tested both blood and tissue samples for HPV, HIV, Aids, Syphillis, Gonorhea, Chlamydia, and a few others that I don't remember and they ALL came back negative. I spoke to the doctor myself and asked if he was sure. He told me that as a matter of course when he gets a request like mine to test, he doubles up on the tests and orders them from two different labs to be very sure of the results. This guy is thorough!
So, to all of you who cared to wish me well on this, I thank you. To those of you who expressed some interesting thoughts regarding my wife which included, so what do I do if I test negative? And, one who wondered if she was trying to bluff me into admitting forays beyond the home fires.
Like I said earlier, positive or negative results don't matter in terms of me wanting to stay with her for the long run. We've been through 25 years so far.
If she was bluffing me it didn't work, but she's a pretty tough broad and I doubt she fears anything enough to warrant bluffing me, but I'll admit when I tested negative, I did have a moment to wonder. Then again, if I'm out there hobbying, I have no right to ***** if she has been as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say.
Thanks again for alll the interesting input from you folks on this.
Guys, please mention or list down the pros and cons of a condom. Also please mention what the condom can protect you from and what it cannot protect you from.
Thanks guys.
>Guys, please mention or list down the pros and cons of a condom. Also >please mention what the condom can protect you from and what it cannot >protect you from.
If you're going for FS then you have to use a condom - no ifs, ands, or cons. Latex condoms always say the same thing: "if worn properly, helps protect against HIV and other STDs although nothing will protect you 100%." I'm assuming they mean every STD because I've never heard of any exceptions.
I was told - I think it was in this forum - that you should only buy condoms that state on the box that they help protect against HIV and other STDs. But this is the thing - established brands like Trojan and Durex will specifically state that their brand will help protect against HIV and other STDs. But lesser brands will often only say that latex condoms have been proven to help protect against HIV and other STDs - without stating that their own brand has been specifically proven to do so. I don't know if this makes a difference but I don't like to take the chance. They all cost about the same anyway.
Okay, I'll bite and assume that this is a serious request:
The Pros of wearing a Condom:
- Provides Pregnancy Protection (about 95+% if used properly)
- Provides Protection from STDs (barrier from fluids/viruses)
- May help against Premature Ejaculation (Lessens Sensation)
The Cons of wearing a Condom:
- Lessens sensation (does not feel natural)
- Some people allergic to latex condoms
- May inhibit erection (lessened sensation)
- Do not have the "joy" of raw sex
- Condom can break causing pregnancy or increased risk of contracting disease
- Can ruin the mood or "spontaneity" of sex, stopping during foreplay to put the condom on
For additional information, speak to your physician or look at the insert that comes with every package of condoms.
Hey check out the Rio section of the forum, a guy just posted saying he got genital herpes despite wearing condom, though very likely the girl was having an outbreak.
Hello and welcome to the Gerry Springer and Jphn Skinless show. Here is something from the Rip board.
.................................
http://www.un.org.kh/unaids/faq.html
Interesting thread. Zoomzoom, given her age and her social position and that she has genital herpes, she might be HIV+ as well. What Zoomzoom does will hardly change the overall odds for all of us. One major poster on the Thai boards says he got two separate doses of the clap during his recent TOD there. And that was being careful. The STI rates both among these working women and their clients (us) are much higher than we would imagine by reading of each other's conquests here. We are a very high risk group and the "Safe" Sex and Aids section should be much more active than they are.
Another point: someone posted here about ID and health cards. Is that a joke? They can get as many fake ones of those as they wish. They are fucking us for money and our money spawns many spin of industries, one of which is fake IDs and medical certs. Those women are mostly totally ignorant of safe sex practices (they are largely uneducated and they do include a lot of coke/crack heads)
................................
Has someone you know and love given you herpes, Aids or just plain old clap recently? Want to ***** about it? You know any good joints where HIV+ hos are to be found? Where can they best be avoided? What is the most ridiculous excuse you have heard ? (the Rio one is: dem ain't genital herpes sores, dem is only teenage pimples on my pussy).
To start it off: I was bb anal fucking a cheap leady here in Tokyo and cumming in her mouth and all over her face. I didn't catch anything but I did later, an awesome dose of the clap in Thailand. One of the reasons for that was all the misinformation ("no risk") on the net.
Does anyone know the deal on getting an uncovered BJ? what are the risks to the man? what can I get ? how safe or unsafe is it anyway?
thanks in advance?
Test Kits and Bare Back sex:
I would like to compare the safety (as far as HIV and herpes-2
are concerned) of covered sex without testing versus uncovered
sex with testing, in view of the newly available test kits for
HIV-1/2 and herpes-2. OraQuick test kit for HIV takes 20 minutes,
and PocKit for Herpes takes 10 minutes. Both are FDA-approved,
both easy to use, and both require only finger prick. Neither
kit is over the counter in the US, but OraQuick is legally
available over the counter in other countries for about $20, and
I suspect that PocKit is, too.
Here are the two scenarios that I am comparing. You take a girl
to your place, then
1. have covered sex with her, without testing.
OR
2. test her first (as you had told her you would), then have
uncovered sex with her if the test is negative, otherwise send
her on her way (as you had told her you would).
First, let's consider the accuracy of the tests. Both test kits
are based on antibodies, not viruses. Therefore, they will be
useless during the initial incubation period (about 3 months for
HIV). Other than that, OraQuick will return a negative when she
is infected only once in 250 times, while PocKit will return
a negative when she is infected only once in 12 times.
If you feel that this is not good enough to give scenario 2
an edge over scenario 1, please take into consideration the
following factors:
1. Self selection: A girl who knows or suspects she has an STD
is unlikely to go with you in the first place knowing that you
will test her for that STD.
2. Side benefits: If you say you will test for "HIV and other
STDs" when you negotiate with the girl, you may get the benefit
of self selection with regard to other STDs that the girl knows
or suspects she has.
3. Other protections: A lot of people who have protected sex
still do DFK, BBBJ, and/or DATY. Under scenario 2, these
activities would be somewhat safer than under scenario 1.
4. Correlation: Having one of the two viruses increases the
likelihood of having the other, so the chances that an infected
girl will fail at least one of the two tests are better than what
the above numbers may suggest.
A few miscellaneous points:
1. Other than the side benefits above, I am not addressing the
bacterial infections, serious as they may be; nor HPV, which has
a lot of unknowns; nor hepatitis A/B, for which there are vaccines;
nor herpes-1, which is mostly the all-too-common oral version.
The comparison that I am proposing relates to HIV-1/2 and herpes-2
only.
2. Although not relevant to safety, but important in practical,
moral, and emotional terms, OraQuick will almost never return
a positive for an uninfected person, while PocKit will return
a positive for an uninfected person about once in twelve times.
3. I assume that you know that you are negative for both viruses,
so whether you too get tested in front of her is a practical (and
fairness) question, with a subtle angle of self selection. If you
do a lot of different girls, you can end up with too many holes
in your finger tip by the end of your trip :) .
4. Although not part of the FDA approval, OraQuick can be used
with oral secretions instead of a blood drop. PocKit does not
seem to have that option.
Any answers? comments? corrections? information? experiences?
Sabio,
Thanks for the comprehensive post but I am a little slow. IF a guy is out there getting BBBJ what can he get ? do you reccomend it ?
CBJ is usually such a bummer.
Thanks in advance,
Denringer
[QUOTE]Originally posted by denringer
[i]
CBJ is usually such a bummer.
[/i][/QUOTE]Usually being the operative word though. Doesn't have to be. My best *ever* was covered. And I'd swear the girl had no idea just how good she was. Lost contact with her though. Damn, damn, damn... :-(
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sabio
[i]Test Kits and Bare Back sex:
I would like to compare the safety (as far as HIV and herpes-2
are concerned) of covered sex without testing versus uncovered
sex with testing, in view of the newly available test kits for
HIV-1/2 and herpes-2. OraQuick test kit for HIV takes 20 minutes,
and PocKit for Herpes takes 10 minutes. Both are FDA-approved,
both easy to use, and both require only finger prick. Neither
kit is over the counter in the US, but OraQuick is legally
available over the counter in other countries for about $20, and
I suspect that PocKit is, too.
Here are the two scenarios that I am comparing. You take a girl
to your place, then
1. have covered sex with her, without testing.
OR
2. test her first (as you had told her you would), then have
uncovered sex with her if the test is negative, otherwise send
her on her way (as you had told her you would).
(SNIP)
Any answers? comments? corrections? information? experiences? [/i][/QUOTE]
I'd like to point out that you are only considering STD's that the girl may have. What about you? How often do you test yourself? Are you possibly the cause of the girl's becoming infected? I think that both of your scenarios show a disregard for the girl's safety. Come on, she's a human being as well, regardless of her line of work.
Also, unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy. Do you really want to have a child with a working pro? Don't be too sure that she would get an abortion.
denringer and Addicted:
Thank you for your posts.
For a BBBJ, the test kits that I discussed will have no bearing on the risk for bacterial infection, except through the side benefits
point that I mentioned in my post. The main benefit is by avoiding herpes-2 (less commonly found in the mouth than herpes-1).
To my knowledge, HIV infections through BBBJ are unheared of.
One point about recommendations. I cannot, in good conscience, recommend one activity or the other to someone else. The risk-reward
tradeoffs are different for different people.
purplengold
You may have missed that in my previous post, I said
"I assume that you know that you are negative for both viruses, so whether you too get tested in front of her is a practical (and fairness)
question"
By the way, I am not advocating either scenario. I am just soliciting opinions (one of which is yours). As for pregnancy, it is
certainly a consideration, but I wanted to maintain separation of concerns here. People can then make an informed decision about
what risks they are willing to take.
Sabio,
My bad, missing that.
As for my opinion, I think I would be too afraid of the unprotected sex. There is that incubation period during which these tests won't come up positive, but during which, I could still catch something. Remember, these girls are probably going through a lot of guys within that time. Who knows what nasty little bug the last customer deposited for me to withdraw.
And, regardless, I just can't seperate that pregnancy concern.
Just my $.02
I don't know, not only is the testing a mood killer because of the anxiety buildup, I can not imagine many girls who are barfined would want to stay and test thinking you were wacko or something. And people complained that having to stop foreplay to put on a condom kills the mood! I would simply say cover your willy and don't be silly. I would rather use the test kit on a girlfriend or someone with whom I am planning on spending several years with and of course, on myself as well. You really have to know the other person more than just intimately to know for sure. The test kits is like playing Russian roulette by opening the gun quickly to see if there are bullets or not. What you do not see could be the other bullets in the chamber. For hedging my risks, I would still go the condom route as the percentages of higher for safety.
As for the BBBJ, it is really only the last 2 minutes that feel the best and only if you can get to cum in her mouth. I find it also takes longer to completion if starting out BBBJ so I prefer to do the deed, withdraw and then finish BBBJ and clean immediately afterwards.
If you've had a vasectomy, like me, then pregnancy is not a concern. But otherwise, I agree with you. Before getting cut, I always abhorred the thought that I might make a baby and that child would be growing up somewhere in the world without knowing its daddy.
Points well taken. Let me mention a few clarifications.
1. I would like to quantify the risks (put numbers on them, even if they were only ballpark numbers) so that the comparison is objective. We are comparing scenarios that carry risks, and if we discuss the downside of either scenario without evaluating the
probability of that downside, either scenario will look awful. For instance, using a condom correctly does not prevent pregnancy, it just reduces the probability of
pregnancy by 10 to 20 times. By the way, if the same numbers hold for infection (this is a BIG if, I do not have data), the numbers for OraQuick and even PocKit start
looking pretty good.
2. I do not wish the discussion to look like we are advocating uncovered sex. There is
overwhelming data establishing that, other things being equal, covered sex is far safer than uncovered sex. You can view the discussion as comparing prescreening with fast test kits versus not doing so. What practice you do after screening is up to you.
3. If you focus on an infection, say HIV, the number we are after is the probability of getting infected in a single encounter. I would say that if this number is one in a million, the vast majority will consider it acceptable. If it is one in ten, the vast majority will consider it unacceptable. This number is affected by the percentage of providers that are infected, the probability of getting infected from a single covered/
uncovered encounter with an infected girl, and the probability that an infected girl will pass your prescreening (if you do the test). If the resulting probability under
a given scenario is within YOUR acceptable range, you are in business.
It will be very helpful if people can post statistics for different covered and uncovered sex activities (hooky said he might do that), as well as statistics of infection among providers in different cities. It would also be great if those who
have first-hand experience with the test kits would share their experiences with us.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sabio
[i]3. If you focus on an infection, say HIV, the number we are after is the probability of getting infected in a single encounter. I would say that if this number is one in a million, the vast majority will consider it acceptable. If it is one in ten, the vast majority will consider it unacceptable. This number is affected by the percentage of providers that are infected, the probability of getting infected from a single covered/
uncovered encounter with an infected girl, and the probability that an infected girl will pass your prescreening (if you do the test). If the resulting probability under
a given scenario is within YOUR acceptable range, you are in business.[/i][/QUOTE]
This is basic probability (bayes formula). But, you need to have the individual probabilities first.
BTW, I wouldn't be too sure about the vast majority feeling like 1 in a million is a small enough probablility to play it safe. The chances of winning a typical 65 number lottery are something like 60 mil to 1 (maybe even higher). Still, it's not a 'vast' majority that abstains from buying a ticket every week.
purplengold
You are right. The probability is straightforward to compute once you have the components. The one in a million is clearly a guess on my part. My reasoning goes as follows. One in a million per encounter means less than 1% probability of infection after 10,000 lifetime encounters with providers, which I would guess covers the vast majority of hobbyists.
Given that the probability of eventually getting cancer / stroke / heart attack / fatal accident
is much higher than 1%, it is arguable that the 1% increment in risk is justified by the "fun."
Of course, this is just an opinion. Whether it is one in a million or one in a billion, what matters is that it is not zero, and the question becomes: does scenario X achieve that risk.
hooky wrote (in another section):
>hey sabio
>
>still looking for those numbers. it was something i heard on public radio
>i think about 6 months ago. no luck so far finding it on the net.
>obviously any numbers like those are going to be someone's ballpark
>guesstimates, still they were very interesting for me to hear. included
>were giving and receiving oral and all other types of sex for both
>women and men.
>
>hooky
Sabio,
I have read stats on HIV transmission, but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for on the net. I can assure you the chances are much greater than one in a million - if the person you are having sex with is positive, the odds for vaginal sex are around one in 1000-10,000 depending on whether you're male or female. But stats will usually only describe what would happen in a 'control group' anyway - for example, where a healthy male has one session of unprotected sex with an infected female. Things don't work like that in real life though.
What if she has her last client's semen inside her, and you have a cut on your penis? What if she wipes you down with alcohol swabs and it causes an irritation? What if she's been using Nonoxynol-9 and has an irritation of her own? What if you or her have another existing STD (which greatly increases your chances of transmission)? What if you have unprotected sex a second time, and your penis has already been rubbed raw the first time?
I think you would be taking a huge risk relying on a DIY testing kit. HIV has a window period of up to 6 months - she may test negative today, but test positive next week. You would also be putting the sex worker's health at risk for the same reason - you could test negative in front of her, but actually have been infected the month before. The only way of being sure that someone doesn't have HIV, is to have them tested and then wait six months - ensuring that she does not have any sort of sexual contact in that time.
As for the HIV tests serving the secondary purpose of scaring girls off if they have other STDs - I do not have any diseases at all, but I would not do your test if you asked me to. It's an invasion of my privacy, it's unecessary and ineffective, and to top it all off - it would leave me with a cut on my finger, which would put me at greater risk of contracting HIV!
PS. Here's a good site for HIV info...
http://www.avert.org/trans.htm
RN:
Many thanks for your well-informed post. Please understand that I have not reached
a conclusion yet. It would be great if we continued the discussion at the intelligent
level of your post, so that meaningful conclusions can be reached. I will address here
some of the points you raised
[i]
>I can assure you the chances are much greater than one in a million
[/i]
I agree with you. Just to clarify, the one in a million number that I mentioned in my
previous post is only a target, only after either the covering or testing scenario is
adopted, and only describes the probability of getting infected in one encounter in
general, not one encounter with a known HIV+ person.
[i]
>if the person you are having sex with is positive, the odds for vaginal sex are around
>one in 1000-10,000 depending on whether you're male or female.
[/i]
This is consistent with the numbers I could find so far.
[i]
>What if she has her last client's semen inside her, and you have a cut on your penis?
>What if she wipes you down with alcohol swabs and it causes an irritation? What if
>she's been using Nonoxynol-9 and has an irritation of her own? What if you or her have
>another existing STD (which greatly increases your chances of transmission)? What if
>you have unprotected sex a second time, and your penis has already been rubbed raw the
>first time?
[/i]
Indeed, a lot of factors affect the probability of transmission. The final numbers are
meant to incorporate the different factors according to their likelihood. If you know
a risk factor is present (say you have another STD), your numbers will be worse. If you
know a risk factor is absent (say you do not have another STD), your numbers will be
better. By the way, circumcision, among all things, is reported to reduce the
probability of female-to-male transmission significantly.
[i]
>I think you would be taking a huge risk relying on a DIY testing kit. HIV has
>a window period of up to 6 months - she may test negative today, but test positive
>next week.
[/i]
This is the most important point in my opinion. Indeed, without it, the 250-to-one
performance of OraQuick would be decisive. The question is what is the percentage of
infected providers that are in the so-called seronegative window: have the virus but
still not enough antibodies. If this is 5%, then we are comparing having covered sex
with 20 infected providers, versus having uncovered sex with one infected provider.
By the way, I looked into the seronegative window a bit. According to what I read, the
time it takes antibodies to develop to a detectable level is less than one month for
most people, and it is rare to take more than three months. This does not contradict
that for some it may take 6 months. What matters is the PROBABILITY that this is the
case, since this is what will affect the ultimate probability. If someone has reliable
data on this, please post them, and do correct me if I am wrong.
[i]
>You would also be putting the sex worker's health at risk for the same reason - you
>could test negative in front of her, but actually have been infected the month before.
[/i]
Not at all. As I said in my original post, I assume the hobbyist knows that he is not
infected (to moral certainty, say through DNA testing).
[i]
>As for the HIV tests serving the secondary purpose of scaring girls off if they have
>other STDs - I do not have any diseases at all, but I would not do your test if you
>asked me to. It's an invasion of my privacy,
[/i]
I can perfectly understand your position. This is a sensitive point, so please bear
with me here. I will take No for an answer. I plan to explain the health purpose of this
exercise to the provider. I may even offer to compensate her for her trouble. Given
that, I feel it is OK to ask, pretty much like it is OK to ask for specific services.
If an unifected provider refuses as a matter of principle, I will just miss out on her
and try someone else. The bottom line is that, if I am convinced of the health benefit
(and I am not convinced yet), I will simply do it.
[i]
>it's unnecessary and ineffective,
[/i]
Please allow me to argue that this is yet to be determined.
[i]
>and to top it all off - it would leave me with a cut on my finger, which would put me
>at greater risk of contracting HIV!
[/i]
Point well taken. The finger prick is necessary for PocKit, but OraQuick can be used
with oral secretions.
Again, thank you RN for starting an intelligent discussion.
NIH study says it is [b]one in seven[/b]
The US National Institutes of Health conducted a study on the effectiveness of condoms in preventing HIV transmission during vaginal intercourse. The results showed an 85 percent decrease in risk of HIV transmission among consistent condom users versus non-users.
One in seven is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to saving lives, and it does show that condoms are effective as a public health measure. However, I must say that the number is lower than I thought it would be when it comes to comparing the two scenarios
in my previous posts (covered sex versus fast test kits).
Summary found in:
[url=http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/global/hiv/01072004.htm]
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/global/hiv/01072004.htm[/url]
Full report found in:
[url=http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf ]
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf [/url]
Performance numbers for PocKit
This is the herpes 10-minute home test kit that I am exploring for checking providers
for herpes-2 (even when they don't have outbreaks). The performance looks better than
I initially thought:
False Negatives (infected person testing negative): one in [b]25[/b]
False Positives (uninfected person testing positive): one in [b]33[/b]
Seronegative window (time after infection for test to work): [b]13 days[/b] (median)
Notice that we are comparing these numbers to the condom protection (one in [b]7[/b] for
HIV per my previous post, presumably even worse for herpes since it can be transmitted
through the skin outside the condom).
Details are found in:
[url=http://www.pockit.com/pockitpro/herpes_prod_pubs.htm]
http://www.pockit.com/pockitpro/herpes_prod_pubs.htm[/url]
Although this is PocKit's web site, the numbers come from quoted studies that are
published in the open research literature.
Condoms are 85% effective? I'm willing to bet 99%+ for latex condoms provided they don't break. If used correctly and with a little caution condoms break maybe 1 in 100? So the 85% seems bogus to me and probably covers people who don't know how to use condoms as well as people who SAY they always use them but mean that they usually use them.
Meanwhile, good luck on having the women allow your medical testing. Not too likely . . .
[quote]Originally posted by Prokofiev
Condoms are 85% effective? I am willing to bet 99%+
[/quote]
The 85% is not my number. The US Congress commissioned the NIH to determine what
that number is, and NIH had a panel of experts consider a multitude of scientific studies
and concluded that it is 85% (see the links below). This was a surprise for me too, but, with all due respect, I would take a conclusion by the NIH to be more credible than a bet
by you (I really don't mean any offense here, I am just stating a fact).
As for practical issues (acceptance by girls or lack thereof, what to do in case of a positive, etc.), I am not addressing them yet since they would be irrelevant if the
safety of the testing scenario is not up to par. I don't know yet if it is up to par.
This is what I have been trying to gather credible information on.
Let me address the 85% from a public health point of view. Even if it were only 50%, it would make sense for health officials to advocate condoms in strong terms. A person who catches HIV not only does a great harm to him/herself, but also poses a great risk to others, and eventually costs society enormous medical expenses. If the percentage of HIV cases can be cut even by a mere half using a simple, economic, and universally
recognized tool such as condoms, this would be rightfully advocated by any responsible public health entity.
However, for an individual, the 85% is indeed psychologically discouraging in two ways. It makes you feel uneasy even when you use condoms, and it may affect your resolve to use them (knowing that the HIV risk of one bareback encounter is like the risk of seven
covered encounters). Like it or not, [b]it is 85%[/b]. I prefer to deal with reality and plan accordingly, rather than ignore the facts and have a false sense of safety.
This is why I am trying to objectively compare the covering and testing scenarios.
Finally, for someone who has as much fun using condoms as not using them, this is a no brainer. Use condoms. If you think testing adds to the safety enough to justify the hassle, use testing on top of it. If not, forget about testing. However, if you do not
have as much fun using condoms, then it makes sense to look into alternatives. If the safety of the alternative is up to par, take it. If it is not, you need to put up with
condoms. Just think of how many posters admitted going bareback in the heat of the moment every now and then. If testing was done (which happens BEFORE the heat of the moment), these very high risk situations would not have arisen in the first place.
Re: condom breakage.
A few months ago, I estimated that I've had sex with over 4000 men. Add the repeat customers, etc and...well, lord knows how many times I've had sex! As I've said on this board before, I only had a condom break ONCE in the time that I was working. (And that guy was particularly large).
The risks of a condom breaking with a sex worker are much lower than with 'regular' girls. (There is actually a study that proved this...Perkins, I think?) You can't help but get good at putting one on, when you're doing it so many times a day! Also sex workers (here at least) use condoms of different sizes to ensure a better fit, and they use lube - which is something that 'regular' couples rarely use.
That NIH study was a study of other studies from around the world. Not only does it include breakage but undoubtedly some lying as well. How can you possibly make sure that the participants always used condoms? Never were IV drug users? Can't. These are usually interview studies where you ask questions but can never be sure of the truth. Couldn't even confirm that condoms had any effect on other STD's. Not enough reliable data. Since HIV transmission is almost completely blood and semen related, how well does latex protect against viral infections passing thru the membrane? Close to 100%. A broken rubber? 0%. Pulling a soft dick out and making a mess? A problem.
Plain old lying? The biggest problem of all . . .
-P
I confess I've also always been curious on the whole condom breakage thing. I've never had one break on me, so maybe guys could pipe up here -- how common is it, really?
Yes, I've had them break at least 5 or 6 times out of perhaps 500. And during critical times of the month . . . but I've always dodged that bullet. But never with a pro where we are both very careful. The problem is that you can lose the slack at the tip , especially with an undersized condom. Then if you thrust too hard and deep, looking for more pressure /tightness you can shread the rubber. You can usually feel it . . . not the actual breakage but a pleasant warm/wet feeling (!) Each time I was thinking, "Man this feels good tonight!" without thinking why that might be so.
Of course a couple of drinks can cloud the mind.
And this has never happened in missionary or woman on top position. Only when I'm entering from the side or some strange angle.
RN: 4000 Huh. Are you bragging or complaining? I don't think I'll ever reach that level (a new woman each day for 11 years . . .) but I'm sure some of these guys have you beat (but NOT if they are 29!). . .
And do you use lube INSIDE the condom as well? Or only outside? I read a tip somewhere that lube inside is very pleasurable. AND IT IS. If the condom is large enough you can slide in and out of it a little and it has a different feeling. But I don't do that often . . . maybe I should.
Zero breakages here. Seldom use lube although sometimes on the inside. BUT you gotta throw 'em out if they've been in the sun/glove compartment/wallet/whatever too long AND I don't buy "off brands." Oh, and also I always bring American condoms when travelling to Third World countries. I am down on my country at the moment but we do lead the world in two things for sure: condoms and toilet paper. That is good since Bush can both suck my dick AND kiss my ass.
Dickhead, waving your flag instead of your dick. Japanese condoms are the worlds best (small is beautiful). And Skinless is the best brand (though I do like to go skinless) Superior technology. We don't have a dickhead brand. Japanese toilet paper is also the best. When I got bj'ed here on the street, the lady used a tissue to wipe me and the condom (Japanese) up. Japanese manners are best. But Thai hos give the best lays.
Also, anyone putitng lube into a tube ain't thiking of safe sex. They are thinking with their dickhead.
Sorry man, you may be right. I should say the US toilet paper and condoms are the best I have found SO FAR in 30 countries NOT including Japan (where I have not been). But in my defense, quality equals value divided by price, a ratio, and may I ask how much toilet paper costs in Japan? And I have heard many complaints about Japanese condoms from others (mainly that they are too small but maybe that is not a problem for you? :)).
Plus lube in a tube is fine if it is water based lube and not petroleum based lube (avoid Vaseline, cooking oil especially directly out of the deep fryer - ouch!, 10W-40, etc). I like it on the inside of the condom when using unlubricated condoms for blow jobs, but now I have mostly switched to flavored condoms for covered blow jobs.
Dickhead: you seem to be well informed for a Dickhead. Toilet paper here is very expensive (maybe we should go like India and use our left hand instead). At the last oil crisis, the price of toilet paper shot up. Japanese people, though afraid of the coming war, still cannot afford to shit themselves as the paper is going up very quickly in price.
There is no joke like an old joke. Yes, Japanese condoms tend to be small but good things do come in small packages. I certianly like to come in small packages for example.
So you go around comparing toilet paper in all the countries you visit. Sounds interesting. If you get a bj, you should get a bj, not a flavored piece of rubber. Plus your lady friend can get diseases from rubbers in the mouth. I prefer skinless.
Effectiveness of condoms
Just to be sure that there is no confusion here, the 85% figure is the effectiveness of
condoms in preventing HIV transmission compared to bareback, not the probability that the condom won't break.
IMHO, assuming that NIH did not take into consideration the obvious factors that one could
think of is amateurish. Also, the fact that they considered the data insufficient to infer the effectiveness numbers for other STDs adds to their credibility. NIH is a research entity that bases its conclusions on hard data and scientific methods, not on anecdotes and wishful thinking.
The bottom line is that each reader can draw their own conclusions. I, and the other posters, are providing information and references that people can look at and evaluate.
Japan certainly has the most expensive condoms that I know of, US$30,40,even $50- dollars for a box of ten condoms. (skinless, okamoto, etc brands are huge.) The top end condoms are expensive largely because, instead of a straight cylinder, they are shaped like, sorry DH, no pun intended, a Dickhead.
===o instead of ===>
D J
A picture is worth a 1000 words
Here is a picture of the OraQuick 20-minute test kit. Some love it :) , some hate it :mad: . If you are just joining us, start with the February 26 post.
[img]http://www.abbottdiagnostics.com/systems_tests/images/oraquick_item.jpg[/img]
in my survey group of 3 tries of japanese contoured condoms - 3 of 3 broke. and they ARE too small.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i]Condoms are 85% effective? I'm willing to bet 99%+ for latex condoms provided they don't break. If used correctly and with a little caution condoms break maybe 1 in 100? So the 85% seems bogus to me and probably covers people who don't know how to use condoms as well as people who SAY they always use them but mean that they usually use them.
Meanwhile, good luck on having the women allow your medical testing. Not too likely . . . [/i][/QUOTE]
The NIH report did not say condoms are 85% effective. It said condoms are 85% more effective than not using anything at all. Hence, you're not going to get fucked up 1 out of every 7 times you poke an infected worker. Rather, you're 7 times better off using a condom than you would be had you not used one.
The report stated .9/ 100 person years as the infection rate for people using condoms, and 6.4/100 person years for people having unprotected sex with an infected person. So if you assume 1% of the general population has HIV, then the rate for HIV transmission with a random person would be .9/10000 person years and 6.4/10000 person years. I dont know what the report meant by a person year.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nai
[i]in my survey group of 3 tries of japanese contoured condoms - 3 of 3 broke. and they ARE too small. [/i][/QUOTE]
think of condoms as spandexes. if you put a small spandex over a huge body, it rips when the huge body moves. if the spandex fits properly, it wont rip.
so of course the japanese condoms are going to break if you have a big dick. Use bigger japanese condoms, i'm pretty sure they have larger ones for those well endowed japanese. Just dont over estimate your size like most guys. You dont want baggy fit condoms.
Monkeyman: iintersting but maybe not quite right. What your figures mean is that .9/1000 you are in the ballpark or bedpark to be hit with a HIV bug. But the the HIV bug is anti social. It hits say only once every 100 times; therefore your 1000 has to be multiplied by 100 (assuming 100 to be right). Now what this actually means is if you are a good boy, if you are not into fist fucking, poppers, jacking up on smack in shooting galleries, you are probably pretty safe. Chlamydia etc are much more social and the 100 would probably have to be replaced by 8 or 9.
Thanks anyway for taking the pressure off Japanese condoms. Okamoto incidentally is the world's biggest condom company. The main thing is to have an unbroken skin and to kep the top covered.
On another topic: am I the only guy on the planet who does not like having my balls chewed? Women seem to think my balls are chewing gum and it always hurts me. Is there something (else) wrong with me?
I've never had a rubber break in 25 years. Had a few come off, but only when I was pulling out after the fact.
Skinless, I agree. I'm not into the nut swallowing or chewing either. Having them licked however, is fun!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinless
[i]Dickhead: you seem to be well informed for a Dickhead. Toilet paper here is very expensive (maybe we should go like India and use our left hand instead).[/i][/QUOTE]
The majority of India is Hindu, not Muslim. Those parts use "traditional Hindu cleansing" with leaves and twigs. They do not use their left hand.
I don't like having my balls chewed either. Just suck my dick and stay away from my balls.
[quote]Originaly posted by monkeyboi
I dont know what the report meant by a person year.[/quote]Instead of measuring the risk per encounter, some studies measure the risk per (total number of encounters a typical person in the study has in a year).
[quote]Originally posted by skinless
What your figures mean is that .9/1000 you are in the ballpark or bedpark to be hit with a HIV bug.
ETC.
[/quote]
No. They mean to become INFECTED with HIV, not just "hit." Read the report.
Someone who actually used the fast test kits :) . This is abridged from a post on another board:
I read about portable HIV testing, and called Abbott in Thailand and
Vietnam (see below). I was directed to a medical supplier which turned out to be a large drug store and got a box of 100. Put on a drop of blood, drop of reagent, than drop of cleaner and if the + sign turns red its positive.
Just ask if they want a free test most seem happy to have it. I have not run into a positive. If I do, I have already decided that I would take the person for a confirmation test. Confirmation testing is available all over Thailand cost about $20.
Thailand
Abbott Laboratories Limited
9th Floor, Nai Lert Tower
2/4 Wireless Road
Bangkok 10330, Thailand
Telephone: 66-2267-9060
Vietnam
Abbott Laboratories, S.A.
48, Truong Son Street
Tan Binh District
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Telephone: 84-8-844-8985
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i]And do you use lube INSIDE the condom as well? Or only outside? I read a tip somewhere that lube inside is very pleasurable. AND IT IS. If the condom is large enough you can slide in and out of it a little and it has a different feeling. But I don't do that often . . . maybe I should. [/i][/QUOTE]
Yep...I wrote that on this board some time ago as well. You just put a tiny drop of lube into the tip of the condom before you roll it on - although you have to be careful that you don't go overboard, or the condom will slip off. My clients always said it felt good.
There is a brand of condoms here called "Ansell Extra Pleasure". They have a straight shaft - slightly tighter than regular condoms - and a large 'bulb' shape on the end. (Much more pronounced than the 'flared' condoms, which get gradually larger towards the tip). The baggy bit at the end acts as a foreskin, by rubbing back and forth over the head of the penis during sex. Add a bit of lube inside these condoms, and apparently it's just about as good as the real thing. The tighter shaft makes sure the condom doesn't slip. I don't know about availability overseas, but I'm sure there would be something similar.
And no, I was neither bragging, nor complaining. I was...errr....confessing. LOL
RN that's a great idea!! I've never heard of that one. There's a brand called Inspiral here in U.S. that has a spiral shaped front that supposedly provides friction and some users on another board have reported liking it. Didn't work for me the one time I tried it.
skinless, I also hate it on the few occasions women did that ball chewing/sucking. Licking is fine.
Monkeyboi and nai, I think some of the Japanese condoms break not because of size, but because of thiness and sensitivity. The Japanese are almost obsessive of thiness of condoms. The expensive condoms will say '0.2 microns(or whatever) thickness'. The more expensive, the thinner. Up to US$50 for ten. Also they use non traditional materials like so called 'sheerlon' etc instead of latex. A regular condom can stretch to fit a watermelon, or haven't you filled condoms with water, like for parties and stuff? I doubt anyone's dick is as big as a watermelon. It's the friction that breaks the condom. Anyone who says that his dick's size broke a condom.. well, it's not his dick that's too big, but his head.
3-minute home test kit for HIV
The Canadian company MedMira received preliminary FDA approval, and is about to receive final approval, for a new easy-to-use HIV-1 test kit called MedMira Reveal that gives results within 3 minutes (compared to OraQuick's 20 minutes). The company's previous fast HIV-1/2 test kit MiraWell has been available in Europe for years.
Reveal is of particular interest to the idea of prescreening providers, not only because it is much faster, but also because it seems to have its eye on the do-it-yourself market. From the [url=http://www.ahdnet.net/products.asp#5]web page[/url] of the US distributor:
"The Reveal test is soon to be the only FDA approved rapid diagnostic test for detection of HIV in serum/plasma that can give results in 3 minutes. With distribution contracts in place, this rapid test kit will be used by hospitals and health care facilities, [b]and will soon be sold to the general public[/b]."
Let's hope the dummies at FDA don't take their sweet time on this.
Which one of the following would provide the greatest amount of safety along with highest chance of approval from a provider;
1) With the man lying on his back, start with a piece of Saran wrap large enough to cover from the lower abdomen to the top of the knees. Cut a small hole and slide 3/4 of the way down shaft. Apply condom so that there is 1/4 overlap at the base. The woman could then provide service in whatever female superior position she preferred.
2) Heat bathroom up to temperature needed for comfort while completely lathered-up. Couple could then have full body contact while maintaining a soap barrier between them.
Would either or both methods provide complete protection from all types of STI's? If not, please list the ones that might still be a problem and why. Any other techniques or modifications would be appreciated.
TIA ... wrist
spit or stick?
The reference below confirms that OraQuick works with either saliva or finger stick. I contacted the manufacturer to ask about this. Since they applied for FDA approval for finger stick only, they cannot market it in the US for use with saliva.
The following reference explains the background and catalogs different HIV fast test kits. Only OraQuick has FDA approval, and MedMira Reveal is on its way.
[url=http://www.medadvocates.org/diagnostics/cdc/rapidtest.html]
http://www.medadvocates.org/diagnostics/cdc/rapidtest.html[/url]
Quite a comprehensive reference, albeit a bit old (the year 2000 is now old :) ).
Prices for PocKit
Here is an e-mail response from a small US distributor of PocKit (the herpes 10-minute test kit). It's about $20 per kit, but I suspect one can get a better price from other outlets.
[i]
Thank you for your interest in the POCkit HSV-2 Rapid Test. First of all, you will
have to name a physician, medical professional, medical institution, clinic, or
anywhere with similar for which to address the shipment to.
The tests are sold in towers containing 5 kits. The cost is $97.50 per tower plus
$15 S&H within the continental United States. Please return the number of towers you
will request, your address and country, and we can give you a purchase and shipping
estimate.
Thank you again.
[/i]
I have one quick rather simple questions.
Upon reading numerous posts in this forum, if I were to believe you all, I would come to the conclusion that aids is virtually impossible to catch. My questions is simply this. Then why or how are so many fricken people catching this virus? Now you must remember it is a VIRUS! Viruses, in general, are fair to quite easily passed from one person to another. Why does over half the continent of Africa have aids, why does 32% of Asia have aids, why do males in America under the age of 25 today have a 36% chance of contracting aids in their lifetime? People get real, it's easy to catch! It's a fricken virus, yes you can get it from a BBBJ, male to female sex or from eating out a pussy! Get real, already! Most HIV positive people these days, do not engage in anal sex, do not use IV drugs,
Best estimates place 65-85% of all new HIV cases were contracted from prostitutes, world wide. A west pack tour coming back from Thailand usually has 8% of it's crew test positive for HIV in the coming months.
TANG!
Bullshit.
That's a whole lot of scare tactic stats which contradict information that is simply everywhere, and which you just throw out as if it actually means something. Please cite where your information comes from, as some of your numbers are clearly baloney and don't agree with known and reliable sources.
Half of the continent of Africa does not have HIV/AIDS, for example, (29 million estimated cases, 800 million people -- you do the math) and your numbers on Asia are also ridiculously off (7 million estimated infected, population base of multiple billions.) UNAIDS/WHO say that Cambodia has the highest infection rate on the continent, and that's 2.6%. Sex workers there are the worst, and they're at a 40% infection rate. The rest of Asia is generally far lower in all aspects. Thailand's overall percentage of infected population in 1999 was 1.2%, and things are supposed to have improved since then due to aggressive condom education. It's very well documented that Thailand has had major success in reducing the HIV/AIDS rate since 1993 through aggressive education and condom distribution campaign. Non-brothel sex workers there are infected at vastly lower rates, and most tourists are not using brothels in Thailand.
As to why people catch it, well, people fuck a lot, and plenty of people still don't use condoms, particularly in third world areas, where the cost of condoms makes it virtually impossible. There's obviously a cumulative effect to exposure, in that most of the statistics quoted here regarding transmission look at individual encounters. There's also a big difference between theoretical risk and documented risk.
The CDC says that, yes, AIDS can be transmitted via oral sex, but even in its "definitive" study about this it says it's impossible to rule out that the examples cited came from other sexual practices, and in fact its primary findings were about [i]giving[/i] blowjobs, not receiving. Its fact sheet on eating pussy says, "The risk of HIV transmission during cunnilingus is extremely low compared to vaginal and anal sex. However, there have been a few cases of HIV transmission most likely resulting from oral-vaginal sex." Hardly definitive, and hardly something to send anyone into a panic. HIV is not known to be transmitted through saliva, so transmission via oral sex has to be direct contact with a mouth sore or wound. There are NO clearly documented cases of someone getting infected from [i]receiving[/i] a blowjob -- if you have evidence otherwise, please point me to it.
Just because something is a virus doesn't mean it's out there infecting you every time the wind blows. AIDS has been described as a "tremendously inefficient disease" in terms of its transmission. Obviously, that doesn't mean people shouldn't be very worried about it, since it can be a death sentence, but that also doesn't mean people should run around screaming that the sky is falling.
Joe-you're right on point, as there is no way that Tang can corroborate his outlandish claims with any sort of factual documentation.
In fact, because his assertions are so off the wall, he is actually performing a disservice to this board, if his intent is to encourage people to practice safe sex, as people will ignore the underlying message due to the high BS quotient. thor
[quote]
Originally posted by gettingtang
[i]Upon reading numerous posts in this forum, if I were to believe you all, I would come to the conclusion that aids is virtually impossible to catch. My questions is simply this. Then why or how are so many fricken people catching this virus? [/i][/quote]
The probability for a man to catch HIV from a single covered vaginal encounter with an infected woman is estimated to range from one in several thousand to one in tens of thousands. It is seven times worse if the encounter is bareback, and about ten times worse for a woman. There are billions of people on this planet having sex, and tens of millions of already infected people. That's why "so many" are catching the virus.
[quote][i]Why does over half the continent of Africa have aids, why does 32% of Asia have aids, why do males in America under the age of 25 today have a 36% chance of contracting aids in their lifetime?[/i][/quote]
I'll be happy to provide references for the numbers that I mentioned. Could you kindly provide references for your numbers so that readers can independently verify the information?
[quote] [i]It's a fricken virus, yes you can get it from a BBBJ, male to female sex or from eating out a pussy![/i][/quote]
Yes, and you can also get hit by lightning. What matters is the PROBABILITY. That's what determines the risk-reward tradeoff.
[quote][i] Best estimates place 65-85% of all new HIV cases were contracted from prostitutes, world wide. A west pack tour coming back from Thailand usually has 8% of it's crew test positive for HIV in the coming months.[/i][/quote]
Again, could you please provide the references? Thank you.
I guess the scariest number of all is 1, as probability does not matter if it would directly affect you. Rather than probabilities, we should be exercising more caution. Maybe I am just anal (no, not that way!), but I ask all my girls to shower, not just splash some water on her pubic hairs, before and after- even if we do it again afterwards. I guess this is a custom I picked up in Asia and have not found as common elsewhere.
Secondly, I like any other man with a pair of genitals attached enjoy BBBJ when possible. However, I limit my time my finishing with the BBBJ when pleasure is most heigthened. I think I got sick once from one girl who sucked me so hard for 20 minutes, my member had turned pink and red from the fricition from being inside her mouth so long. Just a UTI but scared the shit out of me nonetheless. So after finishing with a BBBJ, I proceed to go clean up immediately and drink lots of fluids. It feels so good to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] just after sex as this too reduces the chances of catching something.
Lastly, there are some activities which do no seem to be mentioned here which although I do not participate in or seek, others are putting themselves in a higher risk category. Anything anal for me is just not really right. I even wash my own ass after a girl rims me but when one girl asked me to rim her, I almost burst out laughing. No way I am going in there even when I introduce the finger, I make sure to have alcohol wipes or soap nearby to clean up. I suppose it is not so much getting AIDS that worries me in that zone, it is something like hepatitis which is more common and easier to catch and which is transmitted through fecal matter. The AIDS virus does not live long outside of the human body but I always make sure the condom is still on right before I cum. Great sensation too pulling it right before you cum and right at that moment slowing putting it it again. Or even better, cumming all over her tits!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hysteromania
[i]
Lastly, there are some activities which do no seem to be mentioned here which although I do not participate in or seek, others are putting themselves in a higher risk category. Anything anal for me is just not really right. I even wash my own ass after a girl rims me but when one girl asked me to rim her, I almost burst out laughing. No way I am going in there even when I introduce the finger, I make sure to have alcohol wipes or soap nearby to clean up. I suppose it is not so much getting AIDS that worries me in that zone, it is something like hepatitis which is more common and easier to catch and which is transmitted through fecal matter. [/i][/QUOTE]
Also there is the fact that it smells like shit.
From a post by Zidaho in another section:
[i] Information found on this WSG site regarding the herpes test kit, "PocKit" was GREAT! However, my initial investigation and contact with the company Diagnology indicates I must find a local physician to order the kits for me. The OraQuick for HIV testing can be ordered in 25 lots directly off their web site: www.orasure.com in that quantity they are $300. or $12.00 per kit.
[/i]
And the winner is ......
I have been researching the subject of testing versus covering in order to quantify the risks involved and have a fair comparison between the two scenarios (see my February 26 post for background), and it's time to post the results. I will start with the conclusions, and then give the details and references. Although the conclusions are similar for HIV and herpes, the reasons are quite different.
[b]Bottom Line[/b]
[size=3][i]
1. As far as catching HIV is concerned, an uncovered vaginal encounter with a provider who tested negative for HIV using OraQuick or MedMira Reveal is about three times safer than a covered vaginal encounter with a provider who was not tested.
2. As far as catching herpes-2 is concerned, an uncovered vaginal encounter with a provider who tested negative for herpes-2 using PocKit is about three times safer than a covered vaginal encounter with a provider who was not tested.
[/size][/i]
[b]Main Components[/b]
The components of the calculation are:
1. The probability that an infected provider tests negative. These are [url=http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/2002/BW021104.html]one in 250 for OraQuick[/url] and [url=http://www.pockit.com/pockitpro/herpes_prod_pubs.htm]one in 25 for PocKit[/url].
2. The relative risk of uncovered versus covered vaginal encounter, which is [url=http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/global/hiv/01072004.htm]a factor of seven for HIV transmission[/url].
3. The "seronegative window" risk, that is the initial period after infection when a person can infect others with the virus, but still tests negative for antibodies (see [url=http://www.thebody.com]thebody website[/url]). The risk is affected by the length of the window, and the infectiousness during it.
It is component 3 that took most of the research. The details follow for herpes-2 (straightforward) and HIV (quite involved).
[b]Herpes[/b]
Most of the risk in the testing scenario comes from the one in 25 sensitivity of PocKit. The seronegative window for herpes-2 is 13 days (median) which is very short compared to the professional lifetime of a provider, not to mention that it is the period of the first (and worst) outbreak that should be quite notable hence avoidable. Therefore, the added risk of the seronegative window is very small, and the "three times" estimate comes from comparing 7 for condoms to 25 for PocKit, rounding in favor of condoms.
[b]HIV[/b]
This is where it gets a bit complicated. The one in 250 sensitivity of OraQuick is so large that the risk mostly comes from the seronegative window. First, I thought the only factor of that risk was the length of the seronegative window compared to the professional lifetime of an HIV+ provider (since this would give us an estimate of the percentage of HIV+ providers in their seronegative window). That would have made test kits MUCH safer than condoms.
Then came bad news for test kits: Providers are [url=http://www.aegis.com/pubs/aidsline/2000/jun/A0061887.html]more infectious during the seronegative window because of the high viral load[/url]. The[url=http://www.natip.org/viralload.html] viral load[/url] measures how much HIV there is in the blood stream. The higher the viral load, the more infectious the person is, which makes sense since there are more viruses to go around. It also makes sense that the viral load gets high during the seronegative window since the antibodies that fight the virus have not formed yet, hence the virus is having a field day multiplying.
Then came some good news for test kits. The [url=http://www.thebody.com/cfa/rita_winter02/images/figure1.gif]profile of the viral load[/url] is high only for a short period, and the resulting infectiousness [url=http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2002/18mar02/18male.html]increases slowly with the viral load[/url]. By calculating the average infectiousness from the profile, we get that the seronegative window is equivalent to 80 days of post-window infectiousness. If the professional lifetime of an HIV+ provider is about 5 years, we arrive at the "three times" estimate, again rounding in favor of condoms. If it is more than 5 years, the edge of the test kits will be higher.
Like the herpes initial outbreak (but definitely less dramatic), there are symptoms for the seronegative window in the case of HIV. This is something that I did not know before as I assumed HIV to be totally asymptomatic until full blown AIDS develops. The most common symptoms are [url=http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/primary/053102e.html]fever and rash[/url] which should be somewhat notable. Although this factor magnifies the edge of test kits, it was not considered in the "three times" estimate as it is a bit subjective.
One more factor that favors test kits but was not considered in the calculation is that [url=http://www.thebody.com********AIDS/Labs/Archive/Science/Q145347.html]higher viral loads seem to trigger antibody formation[/url], hence shortening the dangerous "blind" period for the test kits.
[b]Final Word[/b]
I tried my best to seek out credible references, and to make an unbiased calculation. I would welcome any remarks that criticize or support my references or reasoning, any relevant information that can be verified, or any questions about any aspect of this post. If I made an error, please tell me. My real goal here is to know if I should go the testing route. For that, my vital interest lies in what is the correct conclusion, not who arrived at it.
The flaws I see are:
1) The odds of catching HIV or Herpes with a provider using a condom is an unknown number. It is almost totally dependent upon the rubber breaking - which is an individual statistic for each man - what type or size of condom, how you use it, your sex technique, etc.
2) Whether your provider is going to allow you to administer medical tests in a bar or hotel room.
3) Whether your provider is going to let you have sex with her without a condom no matter WHAT tests you give her and yourself. How does she know that you don't have HIV? How does she know if your testing is real or bogus? Maybe in Thailand but most professional professionals I know in the US or Mexico want it covered. No exceptions. And by using these ladies, your odds of having an HIV infected provider is very low. When you seek out providers who are willing to have unprotected sex, you are already in a high risk pool
Good Luck . . .
Personally, I find the bottom line to be this -- three times safer is still substantially lower than the degree of safety you get using condoms. You want to combine testing with condoms and you're safer still, but one missed per 25 or one missed per 250 is still pretty lousy when you consider the potential consequences.
There are reputable houses - like Nevada or La Yegua in Mexico, where the girls are checked by a doctor each week and given an HIV test. They also require that the women visually check each client and always use a condom and lubricant. The odds of catching something under these circumstances are pretty low - even if the rubber should break.
But when you search out women who ALLOW unprotected sex and then HAVE unprotected sex with them, you are swimming in the deep end of the pool. The "window" of exposure scares me along with the 1 in 25 odds of a false negative. And certainly the odds of having some other infection not tested for is much higher. To me, finding providers who have little chance of HIV is more important. Supposedly, the HIV rate in Nevada brothels is near zero and much lower than the population at large.
Combining the test and a condom would be as safe as possible, but kind of defeats the whole idea . . .
Prokofiev:
Thank you for your response. Here are my comments on some of the points you raised.
[i]
>The odds of catching HIV or Herpes with a provider using a condom is an unknown number. [/i]
I am only using the [b]relative[/b] odds (with versus without condoms), and that is a known number (see the NIH report).
[i]
>It is almost totally dependent upon the rubber breaking[/i]
No, it is not. Read the report. If you believe that your assessment of the effectiveness of condoms is better than that of the NIH study, I cannot help you.
[i]
>But when you search out women who ALLOW unprotected sex and then HAVE unprotected
>sex with them, you are swimming in the deep end of the pool.[/i]
You got it backwards. I am not searching out women who allow unprotected sex. I am searching out women who allow being tested. I am not having unprotected sex. I am having uncovered sex with a provider who tested negative, which is safer than having covered sex with a provider who was not tested.
[i]
>The "window" of exposure scares me along with the 1 in 25 odds of a false negative.[/i]
I wanted to be objective rather than emotional, and that's why I took the trouble to calculate the bottom line. The bottom line is that, [b]all things considered[/b], the testing scenario is safer than the covering scenario.
[i]
>2) Whether your provider is going to allow you to administer medical tests in a bar
>or hotel room.
>3) Whether your provider is going to let you have sex with her without a condom no
>matter WHAT tests you give her and yourself. How does she know that you don't have
>HIV? How does she know if your testing is real or bogus? Maybe in Thailand but most
>professional professionals I know in the US or Mexico want it covered.[/i]
These practical points are well taken, and need to be addressed. I believe it can be done, but this is just an opinion, not a data-based calculation like the safety issue. For example, I am fairly confident that a provider will accept testing and uncovered sex after you "hit it off" with her the first time (covered), and propose to stay with her for a few days. Anyway, I will be happy to discuss it and will benefit from the different opinions.
[i]
>Combining the test and a condom would be as safe as possible, but kind of defeats the whole idea[/i]
This is definitely a valid approach, but I agree with you that it is not likely to happen.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]Personally, I find the bottom line to be this -- three times safer is still substantially lower than the degree of safety you get using condoms.
You want to combine testing with condoms and you're safer still, but one missed per 25 or one missed per 250 is still pretty lousy when you consider the potential consequences.
[/i][/QUOTE]
Just to be sure there is no confusion, it is three times safer [b]than using condoms[/b].
Again, I agree that if you consider the down side, you will be scared even if the odds are small. Objectively, this would be an argument for abstinence :( . Condoms are certainly safer than bareback (when no testing is involved), but one needs to realize that it is only seven times safer. That is, seven covered encounters carry the risk of one uncovered encounter.
If you are not going to use testing, by all means use condoms without fail. What I am reporting is that [i]testing and bareback[/i] is safer than [i]no testing and condom[/i].
Ah, sorry, I misread the statement as being uncovered. Mea culpa on that; needed to drink my coffee before wading in. Have done so now :)
That said, months back I read the entire NIH review cited in your link, and I disagree that it conclusively shows a one in seven rate. In fact, this review stated that the vast majority of the studies out there were so poorly constructed that it was basically impossible to draw any decent scientific conclusions on condom effectiveness, period. It should be kept in mind that this was not a study, but a two-day literature review panel attempting to answer the following: “What is the scientific evidence of the effectiveness of latex male condom-use to prevent STD transmission?” What the panel actually concluded is that most studies looking at the issue were not designed using the optimal method to assess that effectiveness. That 85% decrease rate was simply not a hard and fast number, most certainly not one that was consistent across studies, so drawing probability conclusions from it is rather dicey.
To quote from the study’s executive summary, “The Panel stressed that the absence of definitive conclusions reflected inadequacies of the evidence available and should not be interpreted as proof of the adequacy or inadequacy of the condom to reduce the risk of STDs other than HIV transmission in men and women and gonorrhea in men. To definitively answer the remaining questions about condom effectiveness for preventing STD infections will require well-designed and ethically sound clinical studies.” So basically, the report concludes that it [i]can[/i] conclude only that condoms reduce rates for HIV and gonorrhea, but not much beyond that. Again (as I actually had an argument on this point with someone, which is why I say it) this doesn't say that condoms don't do wonderful things with STDs -- only that the evidence is insufficient to make scientifically airtight statements in most cases.
This report also very specificially (and unusually, for such a report, which I think makes it significant) cautions that it is not intended to make public health policy recommendations regarding the role of condoms in HIV/STD prevention policy and programs, which is rather similar to what you're trying to use it to do here.
In addition, it should be noted that these newly available tests only claim to screen for HIV-1, not HIV-2, so effectiveness of the test will vary somewhat depending on who you're dealing with and where they're from. Admittedly, HIV-2 is less prevalent in most parts of the world and appears to be less easily transmitted, but that's not necessarily much comfort if you guess wrong. I sure wouldn't want to be use your approach in Africa, that's for sure.
So I find it inaccurate to say, "seven covered encounters carry the risk of one uncovered encounter" particularly if you're coming up with a number that looks at transmission rates between those who are regular condom users and those who are not. It's very much worth noting that a number of the cited studies hedged their bets on those who were infected who said they were regular condom users, in some cases openly doubting the veracity of the reporting.
Don't misunderstand me -- I am a full believer that screening tests work -- I worked in a Red Cross blood bank when HIV testing was first introduced, and part of my job was tracking blood and reasons why donors were screened out. There's no question such testing essentially cleaned up the blood supply. But I'm not particularly comfortable with making a risk analysis that depends on a figure come up with using "meta-analysis of several studies," comparing it to concrete FDA and industry test results, and then using that as a recommendation for behavior. And that's not even dealing with the fact, as has been brought up here repeatedly, that there are practical problems with your scenario in real life.
joe_zop
Many thanks for your detailed and informed post (coffee seems to work well for you :) ). I am glad you took the time to go through the NIH report, and I will comment on your observations.
[quote][i]
That said, months back I read the entire NIH review cited in your link, and I disagree that it conclusively shows a one in seven rate. In fact, this review stated that the vast majority of the studies out there were so poorly constructed that it was basically impossible to draw any decent scientific conclusions on condom effectiveness, period.[/quote][/i]
The inconclusive part was about STDs other than HIV (as you correctly state later in your post). The 85% figure about HIV is conclusive.
[quote][i]
That 85% decrease rate was simply not a hard and fast number, most certainly not one that was consistent across studies, so drawing probability conclusions from it is rather dicey.[/i][/quote]
What the panel did is use established statistical methods to fit the studies it found reliable. If the fit was not good enough, it was considered inconclusive (which happened in the case of other STDs). The fit to the 85% figure was statistically reliable in the case of HIV, as the panel concluded.
[quote][i]
To quote from the study's executive summary, 'The Panel stressed that the absence of definitive conclusions reflected inadequacies of the evidence available and should not be interpreted as proof of the adequacy or inadequacy of the condom to reduce the risk of STDs other than HIV transmission in men and women and gonorrhea in men. To definitively answer the remaining questions about condom effectiveness for preventing STD infections will require well-designed and ethically sound clinical studies.' So basically, the report concludes that it [i]can[/i] conclude only that condoms reduce rates for HIV and gonorrhea, but not much beyond that.[/i][/quote]
Hear, hear. HIV is the main infection that test kits are concerned with, and as you say, the study does establish the 85% figure in the case of HIV. I extrapolated to herpes-2 (generously, I think, as herpes-2 can be transmitted through areas outside the condom), but I am all ears if people have other information.
[quote][i]
Again (as I actually had an argument on this point with someone, which is why I say it) this doesn't say that condoms don't do wonderful things with STDs -- only that the evidence is insufficient to make scientifically airtight statements in most cases.[/i][/quote]
My point. So the 85% for HIV, which the panel found the evidence sufficient for, is by implication a "scientifically airtight statement"
[quote][i]
This report also very specificially (and unusually, for such a report, which I think makes it significant) cautions that it is not intended to make public health policy recommendations regarding the role of condoms in HIV/STD prevention policy and programs, which is rather similar to what you're trying to use it to do here.[/i][/quote]
Me? public health policy? I'll take this as a compliment :) . Let me repeat what I said in a previous post about the public health issue. It is completely legitimate, even prudent, for public health officials to advocate condoms vigorously even if their effectiveness was just 50%, let alone 85%. We are talking about saving lives, dangers to sociaty, and enormous expenses, using a cheap, simple, and universally recognized tool. If I were a health official, I would not advocate test kits since I need to worry about teen agers who can barely afford a pizza and about morons who may try to fit the test kit on their penis. I wouldn't even publicize the 85% number in order not to discourage the use of condoms. Well, I am not a public health official and I am addressing a constituency of sophisticated traveled adults like yourself who can read the literature and draw their own conclusions.
[quote][i]
In addition, it should be noted that these newly available tests only claim to screen for HIV-1, not HIV-2, so effectiveness of the test will vary somewhat depending on who you're dealing with and where they're from. Admittedly, HIV-2 is less prevalent in most parts of the world and appears to be less easily transmitted, but that's not necessarily much comfort if you guess wrong. I sure wouldn't want to be use your approach in Africa, that's for sure.
[/i][/quote]
The companies sought FDA approval for HIV-1 only (marketing in the US where HIV-2 is very rare), but MedMira Reveal (the 3-minute kit) works for both HIV-1 and HIV-2 (see the comprehensive reference on test kits in a previous post of mine).
[quote][i]
Don't misunderstand me -- I am a full believer that screening tests work -- I worked in a Red Cross blood bank when HIV testing was first introduced, and part of my job was tracking blood and reasons why donors were screened out. There's no question such testing essentially cleaned up the blood supply. But I'm not particularly comfortable with making a risk analysis that depends on a figure come up with using "meta-analysis of several studies," comparing it to concrete FDA and industry test results, and then using that as a recommendation for behavior. [/i][/quote]
I am glad you have a technically related background. Let me just mention that (1) I trust NIH more than the industry as NIH is a research entity with no biased agenda, and (2) [b]I am not making any recommendation for behaviour[/b]. Just giving information and opinions that adults can read and draw their own conclusions.
[quote][i]
And that's not even dealing with the fact, as has been brought up here repeatedly, that there are practical problems with your scenario in real life. [/i][/QUOTE]
I keep saying this is a valid point worth discussing, but it is a separate issue from the safety. I plan to get into it after the current discussion winds down.
Thanks again, joe_zip.
Ok, since we've gotten into this I went back and actually read the NIH thing again to refresh my memory. I pulled the quotes I used previously from an old newspaper letter exchange I had with someone who was using the study to argue against teaching condom usage in schools -- a position that this particular report has often been used to bolster, unfortunately, which is why I read it in the first place. (I don't do the editorial letter thing a lot, but the letter writer pissed me off with her right-wing christian crapola, and it bugged me to have a corrective study used to distort things.) Hence my comment about the public policy health issue, as the truth is that what we're talking about here -- with adults who presumably can read and follow research, but who also, based on postings in various places on this board, are sometimes folks who go bareback without any testing at all -- is a policy of how to approach mongering with some degree of safety and confidence. So this really rather [i]is[/i] a policy discussion in a public place, even if it's not public policy.
I see that the 85% figure is in the review, but I also see that the NIH simply evaluated the meta-analysis done by someone else as opposed to did one themselves, so they do not really provide that 85% reduction rate -- they simply find it's the level they can confidently say is credible, and let's keep in mind that the purpose of this literature review was to basically throw cold water on everything except what could be said for certain (and to call for more studies!) So they've taken the worst-case number here. According to Planned Parenthood's summation of the same study (Davis & Weller, 1999, which I've tried without success to track down on the net) the "meta-analysis of 25 studies on HIV transmission and condoms found that efficacy rates ranged from 87 percent to 96 percent against HIV infection." That's a little different story, isn't it? It's why I say it's not a hard and fast number -- it's scientifically airtight to the degree that the literature review can say for certainty that it's [i]at least[/i] that rate -- it may actually be higher. So the disparity between testing and condoms may well not be what you're describing.
The other problem I see is this -- even if you're testing someone for HIV and Herpes, you're not testing them for a host of other bad things such as gonorrhea, syph, chlamydia, trichomoniasis, any of the various strains of hepatitis, etc. So if you're going bareback with the idea that after you've tested them and they've come up negative you're reasonably safe you're still rolling the dice, since many of these other goodies are far more prevalent than HIV. The test you screen for assures you that they don't have that particular gremlin -- not others. And as the NIH report makes clear, just because there's not sufficient scientific evidence to be conclusive doesn't mean that condoms don't work on these other things. My take is still that a condom is the best overall protection for a monger, even if the test is moderately more effective on a single disease or two. (Not to mention the condom is far cheaper and more likely to reassure your temporary partner.)
joe_zop
Points well taken. I am not treating the one in seven as cast in stone, but it is the best scientific estimate available. That's what we have. The conclusion is that test kits are three times safer than condoms. That's our best objective estimate at this point.
Anything that goes against the [i]status quo[/i] causes discomfort, and test kits are no exception. Most people have come to terms with condoms, and they don't like to rock the boat. Some may decide that even with the x3 benefit of test kits, they will continue to use condoms only. Some may choose otherwise.
As for the other diseases, please notice that a lot of people on this board do DFK, BBBJ, and/or DATY quite regularly. For them, the reward justifies the risk, whether this is wise or not. Their highest priority is not to catch HIV or herpes, and it is not the end of the world if they risk catching another curable disease.
Having said that, there is a correlation between having different STDs, and one may argue that a provider who passes both your tests is safer for other STDs than an untested provider. One may even argue that the self selection will make providers who know or suspect they have STDs not agree to testing, hence get eliminated. All of this is argumentative. The only fact is the safety level of test kits versus condoms for HIV and herpes. What to do with that is for individuals to decide.
Sabio,
I too reread that study or rather the review of other studies and it repeatedly warns about inadequate data and methods. The Davis and Weller part specificly states that all 12 studies they used had replied upon self-reporting of condom usage and breakage. It would be difficult to do otherwise. And the 85% is a summary estimate. The part that addresses the risk of condom breakage and leakage shows very low numbers for risk of infection due to breakage namely 1 in 167 for breakage infection, 1 in 125,000 for non-visable defect leakage and 1 in 250,000 for non-leakage transfer of a virus. The conclusion: mechanically, condoms are VERY effective in stopping a virus. So how do you get from 99.4% to 85% effective? Not addressed. But logically not all of the "always use" were always using. Not surprising. Also drug use or other transmission routes are possible. Your statement that the NIH would have thought about and addressed these concerns is only partly true. They mentioned many possible flaws -especially self-reporting, but didn't design any of the studies. But to the panel the summary of those studies that were usable proved that condoms are at least 85% effective against HIV and they consider it a positive outcome. With better designed studies the number could be much higher but not any lower.
And the overall theme of the report is that condom usage is highly effective and that even these flawed studies made this apparent. I think these scientists would be horrified to learn that you are taking the 85% effective conclusion as a hard and negative fact and then using it to calculate that non-condom usage with a prostitute could be justified.
Yet I don't really argue with your conclusion that testing a woman, staying with her exclusively for a period of time, first with condom usage and later without is dangerous compared to the alternatives, especially if the time period is more than a couple of days. Just not very practical . . .
I'm a newbie, be gentle. Where can I get OraQuick?
Prokofiev
Thank you for your commentary.
[quote][i] But to the panel the summary of those studies that were usable proved that condoms are at least 85% effective against HIV and they consider it a positive outcome. With better designed studies the number could be much higher but not any lower.
[/i][/quote]
Please point out the page of the report in which the qualification [b]at least[/b] is mentioned in connection with the 85% figure, and also the part where it mentions that with better designed studies the number could be much higher but not any lower.
[QUOTE][i] I think these scientists would be horrified to learn that you are taking the 85% effective conclusion as a hard and negative fact and then using it to calculate that non-condom usage with a prostitute could be justified.
[/i][/QUOTE]
I never said that. Non-condom use with a prostitute is one of the riskiest behaviours a person can engage in. The subject of my posts is [b]testing[/b]. Imagine if I told you for a fact that the provider you are about to sleep with has AIDS. Would you sleep with her, even with a condom, or would you try someone else? That's what testing allows you to do.
Here's where "at least" enters.
You have a group of "always use" that are self-reporting, a flaw pointed out repeatedly in the study. They can't report more than 100%. But it could be 95%, 90% or less, depending on the participants. Therefore the 85% effective number which is predicated on 100% usage would be higher depending on the true number. And since the real number of infections are very small - just a couple of HIV infections that resulted from lying could make a huge difference. But it can't be lower since virtually every posibility(lying, slipage, breakage, drugs, homosexual activity) would make it higher. I suppose the "never use" group could also be lying and actually use condoms, making their infection rate artifically low . . . but I doubt it.
You also ignore the calculated .006 infection risk number (=1 in 167) for condom usage including breakage (which they say can be as high as 3.2%). How do you go from 1 in 167 to 1 in 7 actual? What is the mechanism? Do you really believe that 7 covered exposures (especially without breaking) equals 1 unprotected exposure? When they calculate exposure without breakage is more like 1 in 125,000? That's crazy.
You seem to want that 1 in 7 number so badly that you refuse to consider any other possibility. But I'm NOT against testing. That is clearly a good idea . . .
Prokofiev
Well, we are about to fill a page of the safe sex section in 24 hours, which should be a record for this section of the board :)
I perfectly understand that the one in seven figure puzzles you. It puzzled me, too. I bought into it because of the credibility of the NIH. If there was an agenda to be had, it would be in favor of getting a bigger number than seven to support public health policy.
I found numbers that are even less than seven on the web, but I didn't "want" them as they came from non-credible sources (for example religious organizations with an obvious agenda).
Perhaps it will make things a bit easier to swallow if you look at the pregnancy numbers. If condoms are used [b]consistently and correctly[/b], they reduce pregnancy by a factor between one in ten and one in twenty. Do you agree that a sperm is bigger than a virus? What is the "mechanism" for it to reach the egg if condoms are as astronomically effective as you project them to be?
Here is another test, more like a lottery but isn´t odds for you anyway? Nice read on stats and info as well, that is if you "get lucky". Would be interesting to see others results.
http://www.ministryofsound.com/music/radio/
Click on the scratch off lottery banner on the left.
Oops, here is a better link for the STD lottery. Seems that the other link always comes up with chlamydia and a 1:1 chance would be too odd and scary!
http://www.playingsafely.co.uk/games/sex_lottery.asp
hysteromania
I'll take your posts as a break to loosen up in the middle of a serious discussion :) .
Of course, all of us are playing the STD lottery except those who choose abstinence. What makes one game of lottery safer than another is ........, you guessed it, the PROBABILITY of catching a particular STD.
Whether you will be lucky or unlucky is beyond your control. What is under your control is choosing a method that has better odds. That's why I am comparing the odds of different methods.
Good luck ;) .
"I perfectly understand that the one in seven figure puzzles you. It puzzled me, too. I bought into it because of the credibility of the NIH. If there was an agenda to be had, it would be in favor of getting a bigger number than seven to support public health policy."
But that is definitely not the purpose of a literature review, and your conclusions on the possible agenda are incorrect. The purpose of a literature review is to look at the bulk of research and determine what it proves can be said for certain and what cannot -- and in this case, that 85% figure is a least common denominator. If there was a real underlying agenda, it was to call for more research, and expressly [i]not[/i] to support policy, there being a difference between scientific knowledge and policy-making. Again, this is why the report specifically cautions against using its conclusions for policy purposes.
As far as your statement on pregnancy rates, I'd point to the same review, which references studies on condom usage among married couples, and concludes that education on proper usage decreases breakage, slippage, and pregnancy. The review cites laboratory tests, and very specifically states that condom usage with no breakage and no slippage results in 0.0ml semen exposure and 0.0 relative risk of semen exposure (and by extrapolation, pregnancy) versus non-use. (So your statement on virus size versus sperm size is irrelevant.) Even the numbers with a [i]visible hole[/i] are very, very low, with relative risk versus non-use at 0.000008. It references what it considers rigorous studies which show 1.1% and 3% pregnancy rates -- lower than you cite -- among couples using condoms consistently and correctly.
Should I conclude, as someone who's never had a condom break or slip off, that it's safer for me than most people? The answer is probably yes. RN reported here that she never had a condom break in her thousands of encounters, which would mean according to the NIH conclusions she was consistently safe. The real trick here might be learning to use condoms properly, as opposed to learning to use the kits.
This points to a very key important difference -- efficacy versus effectiveness. Again, from the panel, "It is important to distinguish between condom's efficacy, which is the protection that users would receive under ideal conditions, and their effectiveness, which is the protection they provide under actual conditions of use."
The number we're arguing over is a deriviative measurement of effectiveness, not efficacy, whereas the numbers you're using from the testing kit studies are efficacy numbers. The truth is that you're presenting a comparison of apples and oranges -- there are no effectiveness numbers for the kits as there are as of yet no studies of their use by real people in the field, and the reality is that they will no doubt be improperly manipulated by folks who use them, just as condoms are. Thus the true effectiveness rate of the kits will no doubt be much lower than the efficacy rate, (as it can't be higher) just as is the case with condoms.
By the way -- I want to make sure that I say thank you, Sabio, for bringing a high-level concrete discussion here. Regardless of what anyone concludes, this is definitely both stimulating and informative, and my comments, even when I'm disagreeing, should also be taken as full of admiration for the work and thinking you've done.
joe_zop
Thank you for your post and your kind words. Please take my remarks in the same spirit. Even when we disagree, I benefit from your point of view.
[quote][i]"I perfectly understand that the one in seven figure puzzles you. It puzzled me, too. I bought into it because of the credibility of the NIH. If there was an agenda to be had, it would be in favor of getting a bigger number than seven to support public health policy."
But that is definitely not the purpose of a literature review, and your conclusions on the possible agenda are incorrect. The purpose of a literature review is to look at the bulk of research and determine what can it proves be said for certain and what cannot[/i][/quote]
I said "[b]if[/b] there was an agenda to be had" as I don't believe NIH has an agenda other than a research agenda, namely reaching objective conclusions by applying scientific methods to hard data. So I guess we are in agreement here.
[quote][i]It references what it considers rigorous studies which show 1.1% and 3% pregnancy rates -- lower than you cite -- among couples using condoms consistently and correctly. [/i][/quote]
Here, we are not in agreement. Both the 3% and the 1.1% are the [b]pregnancy rates[/b] (in one year for the former study, and in six months for the latter). You need to compare these numbers to the pregnancy rates of non-users over the same period to get the [b]effectiveness of condoms[/b] that I referred to.
[quote][i]The number we're arguing over is a deriviative measurement of effectiveness, not efficacy, whereas the numbers you're using from the testing kit studies are efficacy numbers. The truth is that you're presenting a comparison of apples and oranges -- there are no effectiveness numbers for the kits as there are as of yet no studies of their use by real people in the field [/i][/quote]
No, I am not talking about efficacy (ideal case) of test kits. I am talking about the actual field test numbers for the kits. These field tests were indeed conducted as part of the FDA approval process, and that's how the sensitivity of the test was calculated.
sabio
thanks for finding those numbers that i was unable to track down. your efforts are very much appreciated.
just as a caveat, however. alot of the numbers are actually estimates which may or may not be borne out/corroborated on further investigation. nevertheless, i was very interested when i heard them the first time just to get a rough idea of what was what.
so the caveat is that the estimates are guesses based on current information, and the degree to which they are innacurate may be greatly magnified or minimized when subjecting them to mathematical manipulation. trying to get a clear estimate of some other issue by extrapolating those numbers can lead to further innacuracies
so thanks again for finding that, i will go read it. hope this contributes a little.
hooky
ps i will also look more closely at your analysis, i admit i knd of fell off this thread for a while and just skimmed it when i came back. also, i agree with joe z in his concluding remarks.
[b]My farewell post[/b]
The forum moderator suspended my instant posting privileges and sent me an e-mail that included the following
[quote][i]I reviewed all your forum posts and observed that the only subject that you seem to post about is the testing kits. Given the number of posts on essentially the same subject, I am suspicious of your agenda[/i][/quote]
I am stunned that an intellectual discussion at the core of the subject of safe sex draws this reaction from him. However, I do not wish to invest my time and effort in a place where I am not welcome, so this will be my last post. I guess the quality of Nibu's posts warrant creating new sections for him, and the quality of my posts are not up to par. Well, it is the moderator's prerogative to make that judgment.
Just because he raised the "agenda" issue, let me tell you that I am not affiliated with NIH or any test kit company, nor do I have financial interest in any of them (nor have I shorted any condom companies :) ). What started me on this was a post in another section
[quote]Originally posted by Z Ice Blue on February 18, 2003
[i]Hi
Can someone point me to a good quick HIV test kit, and where to buy it from, and its cost. Also, is it multi use, or for single use only.
thanks
z[/i][/quote]
My immediate impression was "Dream on." I just did not think that such kits (legitimate ones) existed. Then came a response
[quote]Originally posted by Surfer on February 23, 2003
[i]Z Ice Blue-What you need is Ora-Kwik, a one time test kit taking 20 minutes and with an accuracy rate of over 99%. JUST approved for use in US but you can't just buy them here. I have a few extra I'd sell you (I bought them in Thailand where they can be legally bought over the counter). I'll be in Rio on Wednesday the 26th so drop me an email (XTNsurfer@hotmail.com) if interested.[/i][/quote]
and I started looking into it. The result was my posts that started on February 26.
I would like to thank all the board members who took part in this stimulating discussion, including AddictedToWomen, denringer, Dick Johnson, Freeler, hooky, HeadGames, hysteromania, joe_zop, lookr, monkeyboi, joe_zop, PRBuck, purplengold, Prokofiev, RN, and skinless. Please forgive me if I inadvertently offended anyone during a heated discussion. The essence of a lively discussion is disagreement. As the saying goes "where everyone thinks alike, no one thinks very much."
Good bye.
[blue]Don't be so dramatic. Your membership will remain active, and you are encourage to continue making contributions in the future.
Jackson[/blue]
Jackson, I think you're following US foreign policy a bit too closely. Do we now root out suspected abusers before they actually do something? Sabio's always been on-topic, intelligent, polite and non-abusive, and it's not like he's going everywhere on the site yapping about testing kits or that he's been talking about only one manufacturer in some sort of veiled sales pitch.
Sabio, regardless of this move, which I absolutely don't understand, I hope you'll keep posting.
HERPES SCAIREd ok on my last trip i fucked 25 women safe sex and 1 from iquittos peru with out i did all the tests and alot of research herpes is not just the blisters on the dick you can have it by skin contact and never have the blisterS there is a test that you get it is a blood test that tests for both herpes 1 and 2 they say 40 mil people have herpes in the states or will get it well luckliy i am negative JUST WANTED TO STRESS IF YOU DONT SEE A RED INFLAMED UGLY PIMPLE CRUSTY PUSSY THEY STILL MIGHT HAVE IT AND NOT HAVE SYMPTOMS> justa freindley jab at people like me that think they know it all. like johny carson usta say I DID NOT KNOW THAT
Herpes is easily the most misunderstood std. The rules however are very simple. At age 21 90% of poeple in the U.S have Oral (type 1) herpies. 60% will have one outbreak upon thier initial exposure, and will never have another outbreak. These poeple are non transmitters. The other thirty percent will have intermittent outbreaks where they are able to transmit the disease when they have open sores. If they go down on you with open sores you can become infected with type two, genital herpes. Otherwise if the girl has type 2 she may have sores that she may not be aware of that can infect you. If you have safe sex, and the condom remains intact, there is a very low transmission rate. You probably can't get type one from kissing her either as if you are American, and have dated a bit, your chances of not having it already are very low. Bottom line the herpies virus is low on the scale of worries. Take this scenario for instance. Like her on top? Her Virus loaded vaginal secretions pool in you anus as they mix with her sweat, giving easy access to mucous membranes. Infected!
Thanks for that info on herpes. I just got back from Costa Rica (see report) and had quite q bit of BBBJ. I always wondered what the true risk was if there was no outbreak visible.
Another things that I wondered is why are more women likely to give BBBJ than DFK. Is this more an emotional thing do you believe? Seems like more could be caught from pre-come during BBBJ than saliva exchange.
The disease I am quite worried about is something like Hepatitis B. It is said that the chances of catching it are 100 times more than HIV and that it can stay on the surface of an area for up to 1 month! I can imagine in hot and humid place like SE Asia, these figures are probably even more scary as bacteria thrive in these environments.
My questions though are:
Is it cureable?
Can it be caught more than once?
Is it a terminal illness?
Why are 3 vaccinations necessary- taken first, 1 month later, then 6 months again
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4115.htm
Hepatitis B isn't "curable" per se -- you don't get it completely out of your system, but if you recover from the infection and are not a chronic infectee then you're no longer a carrier. There are treatments for it and for its physical effects, but not cures. It can definitely be caught more than once, and that's generally where you get more serious health problems.
About 30% of the people who get it show no symptoms. Those who do, however, can definitely have serious problems, including chronic liver disease, which kills 15-25% of chronically infected people. (6% of adults who get it become chronic, so that means about a 1 to 1.5% overall fatality rate for adults.) A quarter of the people who get it become ill with jaundice, about 15% of those requiring hospitalization, and a small percentage do die from that. About 5000 people die from it each year in the U.S. Supposedly, Hep B is responsible for 80% of all liver cancer worldwide.
The reason for the three treatments is to provide maximum protection and duration -- it's cumulative in effectiveness, with three treatments protecting about 90% of people. The first shot provides up to 50% protection, the next up to 80%, and the last up to 100%.
By the way -- Hep B is spread only via blood and body fluids, so though it is robust and can survive once exposed to the air, the transmission that way is more limited. (It can survive a week in dried blood!) It's Hepatitis A that can be spread more easily in food, drink, unclean surfaces, etc.
Bottom line the herpies virus is low on the scale of worries. Take this scenario for instance. Like her on top? Her Virus loaded vaginal secretions pool in you anus as they mix with her sweat, giving easy access to mucous membranes. Infected! [/i][/QUOTE]Here's another one. Condom fully engaged, Penis fully inserted>>>going long and deeeeep> a week later with a full outbreak around the base of the shaft and scrotum> no muccous membranes necessary.
Had to explain that one to the "significant other", not fun.
Thought I was having safe sex. If I hadn't a been making her come and scream at that time I didn't even NEED to be going that deep (that's the worst part).
Herpes is a horrible virus, it's painful and disgusting and depressing and it makes me feel guilty and ashamed. Even though it is controllable with Valtrex, I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Hello.
I was wondering if anyone had heard of any web sites, or had any information regarding the prevalence of HIV/AIDS as relates to prostitution specifically. I have been doing this for a couple of years now, and recently had the frightening experience of a condom breaking. I got tested, and it came up negative, but I know it takes a few months before it shows up on a test. How scared should I be?
Any help would be appreciated.
I had intercourse without a rubber last week in Tijuana, Mexico. I didn't mention it over in the Mexico forum, I thought I'd get feedback here first. A girl, 28, from India charged only $60 for the half hour and when I couldn't cum she offered to take the condom off. She asked me if I was clean. I thought to myself a lot of good that will do her if I say yes. I've tested negative for STDs including AIDS. I told her I'm clean of course. And as I took off the rubber I'm thinking my god what if I get vd and how would these forums react if they found out I did this. So I went ahead inside her in missionary, it felt great and I climaxed inside.
She gave me her home phone in Tijuana and later in the Adelita Bar next to the hotel she started talking about her baby girl, having no money, her rent and marriage to someone like me. Well maybe the whole thing was to get me to be a regular customer I can see that. But I don't have the money to pay her rent or even half of it. I won't play the boyfriend after reading the forums here. Anyway was that a stupid thing to do, sex with no condom? I guess so. So far no lesions or sores on the pecker after 7 days.
PhilT
Phil . . .
Do you really need to ask that question? I think you are well aware of the answer . . .
Good Luck, -P
Phil...
Did you stop and think....was SHE clean?? I'd worry more about catching STD's like herpes, gonnorea(sp?) and such when not using a condom.
I've read in some places that unless your penis is nicked or cut or is sore, its difficult for you to catch HIV because the virus cannot enter any other way. I've also heard that HIV can enter through the urethra opening but I'm not too sure about this fact, maybe some of the members would care to shed some light on this topic.....
anexpat
Here is my take on this
Here is my history. I have had a lot of BBBJs from hookers. One time when I lived in LA, I got bitten by a mosquito and came down with inflammation of the brain and thought I was going to die, really. I was munching on a burrito in a outside café and some chick asked me if I saw this guy in a chevy. I said no. she asked if I could drive her to pick up something and she would make if worth my while. So I drove her to her moms house and they talked for a while. She came out pissed and wanted to leave. From what I guess she just got out of institution (really) and also just had a baby. She was telling me that she was bi and was a lesbian hooker. So in the back of a parking lot she tried to give me a BBBJ but couldn’t do it. So she tells me she needs a place to stay and wants to f**k. So we go back to my place. She tells me not to wear a rubber and she doesn’t believe in aids. I figure I am going to die anyways and I did her with out a rubber. A couple weeks later I got better, but that thing about not believing in aids remark bugged me. Now last year I was in Honduras. The damn hookers kept stealing my rubbers. So it was a pain to get one out of my suit case. A couple of times I was really drunk and said WTF and didn’t use one. I have really investigated this, the incidence of female to male infection is fairly low. I think around 4%. So far I have had 4 aids test and all negative over the years. My last one was just a few months ago. The CDC has taken prostitution off the high risk list. They are not seeing the numbers they thought they would. Do I say throw caution to the wind, no. I talked to a aids doctor and he said the chances of you catching it if you have unprotected sex with a person who has aids is around 1 in 300. The only thing I worry about is when I see a hooker with scabs on her face. Could mean she has HPV, basically sexual warts.
Here is my take on sex with pros. Always wear a rubber, just use a good one. I like Avanti: I think it is the most sensitive (The maufacturer promotes it that way.) It's not latex, but some other man-made material, just more sensitive than latex. Now, I cannot come with a latex rubber on under any circumstances, especially if I've had a few drinks(numbs me.) But, with the Avanti- no problem. Heard that they could tear with violent buttfucking, but who's really going to let you violently fuck their ass? Must have been a gay thing. Nothing personal.
I am new to this hobby.
Is eating pussy safe?
Is missionary position safer than cow-girl while in no rubber situation?
Is it ok let the girl sucking your dick without condom?
Thanks a lot
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
Avanti is polyurathane, for people who are allergic to latex. It's thinner than latex so people say they feel the body heat more through it. It may well enough protect against AIDS and pregnancy but it hasn't been scientifically proven as absolute truth so there is still testing going on.
Here's a quote from the website:
The risks of pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases (STD's), including AIDS (HIV infection), are not known for this condom. A study is being done.
Also remember not to use a spermicide condom, supposedly spermicide makes latex weaker, ever so slightly but also irritates the skin, where something can enter.
Mool
[quote]originally posted by hanzo
[i]i am new to this hobby.
is eating pussy safe?
is missionary position safer than cow-girl while in no rubber situation?
is it ok let the girl sucking your dick without condom?
thanks a lot
[size=-2][u]editor's note[/u]: [blue]posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. to avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. [i]thanks![/i][/blue][/size] [/i][/quote]
welcome hanzo, i am fairly new too (less than 1 year mongering!) but hope i can answer you questions with some knowledge based on my own experience.
eating pussy can be good fun but i have become anal (no, not that way!) about how i proceed before i decide to eat it or not. first when you pull the panties off, visually look around the outside for any abnormal growths like warts or herpes, then i kiss around her inner thighs to get her in the mood as it can tickle but more importantly, any strong odors at this point can be detected.
if things are still okay, i will insert a finger or two and play with her and by this point if all goes well, i dive in!! ;) note: no matter what people tell you, pussy should not smell! later you may get deep inside or get her juices going but that is a different story. secondly, do not brush your teeth right before this. most people's gums bleed after brushing so beware. and lastly, something that i love most about asians, get her to wash it before you dive in. you can do the test of senses before like sight, touch and smell before you taste. why am i so careful? urinary tract infections are cureable and not dangerous but cause discomfort- imagine pissing razor blades! yes, you can get one from just oral sex- either receiving or giving, believe me.
as for getting the bbbj, this feels even better but also carries the risk but it is much more of a risk for her, especially if cim, than it is for you. still you should use caution by washing right after, etc.
now that you have read this far, you can imagine what my position is about no condom. unless you really know her well and have practiced safe sex for months, use a condom! but some people are too intent on stimulating satisfaction before common sense. this being said if you are solely intent on doing this, do the missionary position better and then choose to cum all over her. the more time you are inside of her, the more chances of exchanging bodily fluids. less of risk at least than eating pussy but make sure you wash very well and it is much better if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] shortly after as these both reduce the chance of catching something.
don't fall for bullshit lines like she is on the pill, you are her first customer, etc. i have met people in the philippines who have told me stories about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charges linked to doing semen tests (your evidence inside her is stronger than fingerprints!) or false pregnancy stories later to get more money out of you. or the worst i heard, someone who screwed a "virgin" turned out to be a girl on the rag who simply bled all over him during the cowgirl position. ugh@!
Hysteromania,
The smell test is of little use in detecting HIV, herpes, hepatitis or most viral infections /STD's. It is more about bacterial or yeast/fungal infections or just plain lack of washing. Smell doesn't necessarily equate with high risk and certainly lack of smell tells you little about a woman's viral load. Also you cannot get a urinary tract infection by eating pussy - although you might transmit one to her or get one from a BBBJ . . . if that is what you meant.
Odds of catching AIDs from oral sex- pretty damn low. Herpes 2 or gonorrhoea from a BBBJ - very possible. Especially when you consider the number of partners that most pro women encounter. While a "normal" woman you date may have had 5-50 partners in a lifetime (typical), a pro will have had 300-5000+ and if you are getting BBBJ and CIM you can bet that the other 1000 or so guys did too. And probably many times during the previous few days or hours . . .
All in all, I find I sleep better at night knowing I used a rubber for CBJ . . . especially if you have a wife or significant partner which whom you have unprotected sex. Yes, many of the STD's are cureable -though not all- but it is hard to explain to her why you gave her the infection, and more importantly is unfair to someone who trusted you sexually.
No, I agree. In fact 'safe sex' is really a contradiction in terms. No sex is really safe. You're always at SOME risk, be it increased risk of prostate cancer, herpes, treatable STDs or HIV/AIDS and death! Not trying to be alarmist. Just making a valid point. As with everything else in life, you have to make your own decisions/judgements, in view of your particular life circumstances, as to whether these risks are worth it! For me, I don't think they are. So I just use a rubber for everything and, hopefully, the worst risk I face is some kindof rubber allergy! :-)
thank you so much for the invalueable informaion. sound you travel a lot and had lots of taste.
[quote]originally posted by hysteromania
[i]welcome hanzo, i am fairly new too (less than 1 year mongering!) but hope i can answer you questions with some knowledge based on my own experience.
eating pussy can be good fun but i have become anal (no, not that way!) about how i proceed before i decide to eat it or not. first when you pull the panties off, visually look around the outside for any abnormal growths like warts or herpes, then i kiss around her inner thighs to get her in the mood as it can tickle but more importantly, any strong odors at this point can be detected.
if things are still okay, i will insert a finger or two and play with her and by this point if all goes well, i dive in!! ;) note: no matter what people tell you, pussy should not smell! later you may get deep inside or get her juices going but that is a different story. secondly, do not brush your teeth right before this. most people's gums bleed after brushing so beware. and lastly, something that i love most about asians, get her to wash it before you dive in. you can do the test of senses before like sight, touch and smell before you taste. why am i so careful? urinary tract infections are cureable and not dangerous but cause discomfort- imagine pissing razor blades! yes, you can get one from just oral sex- either receiving or giving, believe me.
as for getting the bbbj, this feels even better but also carries the risk but it is much more of a risk for her, especially if cim, than it is for you. still you should use caution by washing right after, etc.
now that you have read this far, you can imagine what my position is about no condom. unless you really know her well and have practiced safe sex for months, use a condom! but some people are too intent on stimulating satisfaction before common sense. this being said if you are solely intent on doing this, do the missionary position better and then choose to cum all over her. the more time you are inside of her, the more chances of exchanging bodily fluids. less of risk at least than eating pussy but make sure you wash very well and it is much better if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] shortly after as these both reduce the chance of catching something.
don't fall for bullshit lines like she is on the pill, you are her first customer, etc. i have met people in the philippines who have told me stories about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charges linked to doing semen tests (your evidence inside her is stronger than fingerprints!) or false pregnancy stories later to get more money out of you. or the worst i heard, someone who screwed a "virgin" turned out to be a girl on the rag who simply bled all over him during the cowgirl position. ugh@! [/i][/quote]
Never said I had all of the answers and yes, you are right about smell does not equate to STD detection easily. I just see it that if a girl is careless down there, that spells trouble in other areas as these things go together as one complication can increase chances of others. For example, chlymadia and gonorhea can occur.
As for the pros, I guess I still like em young (if I wanted to do 30 year olds, I could be patient and date instead!). But we pay for generally what we can not easily attain otherwise. Just remember that if a girl say has sex on average 10 times a week all year, that is a whopping 520 guys, with multiple sessions likely thus increasing risk. Not trying to scare anyone, but be be careful and remember the six degrees of "penetration" as she probably has done it with someone who has something!
What I usually look for when I risk a bbbj is if the girl has a good set of teeth. Now, I know that this is not the end all, beat all test, but if the girl has good oral hygiene, I feel more comfortable with it. If she is a snaggle-tooth, then I won't let her come near my dick! But, if she has a nice clean smile, then I don't worry about a bbbj if I wash it off right after. I always keep some anti-bacterial baby-wipes in the car for this purpose. You can wipe it off on the spot and reduce your risk!
And, if your wife questions why the hell you have baby-wipes in your car, tell her that you go out to eat ocassionally and want to wash your hands off before you eat, without having to use their nasty bathroom.
Hi guys,
Just a doubt: do you believe it is too dangerous to eat the pussy of a prostitute? I know that a prostitute can have many partners a day, but I also think it is very frustrating having sex without eating pussy. It is like enjoying a good dinner without the dessert! I know eating pussy can cause herpes, but what about HIV/AIDS? Is it risky or not?
Personally I sometimes visit a brazilian pro who work in an apartment. We always use condom (covered blow job and covered vaginal sex) and I know she uses it also with all the others customers. Can HIV be transmitted by saliva? In other words, if one of her customers who is HIV positive decides to eat her pussy (with covered blow job and covered vaginal sex), do you believe she can be infected by him? If yes, this can be dangerous for the others who eat her pussy after and can get the virus...
Or do you believe it is necessary a complete sexual intercourse without protection to be infected?
Thanks for suggestions!
Stay cool,
Mad Frax
Hey Guys.
I really get pissed off when I hear "as long as it's safe for ME" from guys. I DO realise you are PAYING to have sex with a girl but it's still simply awful to insist on certain things that are not safe for the sake of your personal fun.
Not to do a sob story but I ended up in this job because it was the only way to fund my studies. I'm 21 years old and I hope to be able to find a normal job as soon as the time intensive part of the course is over. It's not that I don't enjoy it but it does ruin your reputation, especially if you live in a comparatively small city. Also, you do expose yourself to a certain risk, even if you work safely, that is EVERY DAMN THING WITH A RUBBER, no exceptions made, ever. The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental dams for cunnilingus. So there is a risk there. I always worry about where his mouth has been before. Unless he does a damn fine job in which case I kind of can't do the thinking and the enjoying at the same time.
I think it's downright irresponsible to demand BJ's without rubbers and CIM is just something I would NEVER do with a stranger. I'm not suicidal, after all.
When customers whinge about this fact I just cooly give them my standard answer: "Well, I'll get back to you about that the day I have NOTHING left to lose" Some get it and shut up about it forever, others are just confused. They don't realise that doing more "reckless" practices is a way of making a lot of money in very little time. There's no way of tracking a pro so if I was a money-minded, selfish type of girl whose health is buggered up, I'd just go in there guns blazing and enjoy what life has to offer against cash.
Swiss Gal writes: "The only thing that hasn't caught on in this country is the concept of dental
dams for cunnilingus."
You said it. I spent an afternoon looking for dental dams in Geneva, no luck. (It would have
helped if I knew the French for "dental dam"--I'm not shy but I just couldn't see myself trying
to give a long-winded explanation of what I was looking for to any of the clerks in the pharmacies.)
So I ended up doing without the particular snack I had been looking forward to all week.
For future reference, what *do* you call a dental dam in French? German? Maybe I'll get to Zurich
next time I'm in your country...
Swiss Gal,
I would think that a woman getting HIV from a man during cunnilingus would have to be THE most difficult and unlikely way possible. Him getting it from you? Far more likely, but still remote.
Despite all the studies and words written about this topic, the necessary experiments to prove whether HIV can be contracted though oral sex have not and will not be done. Impossible. Studies such as the SF gay-men study where KNOWN HIV + men were ejaculating into the mouths of HIV - men, showed that none of the negative became infected. Doesn't prove it COULN'T happen, but suggests it is very unlikely. The few cases where women have been infected by HIV+ men though oral sex are based on the premise that no known alternative transmission routes were present. No anal or vaginal intercourse, IV drug use or IV medical procedures. How can the researcher be SURE of this information? Can't. Could anyone be lying or simply forgetting something? Of course. If large numbers claimed this was happening then statistically it might be significant. But as things stand, all that can be concluded is that it is theoretically possible and MAY have occured, but is highly unlikely.
By the way, are you really Swiss? Your English is so perfect and so American that I have to wonder.
Cheers, -P
Swiss Gal, I think the bottom line is, frankly, that guys have a different mindset on the whole thing that's based on knowing that they're simply less at risk than is a woman. Women are more likely to catch just about every STD there is, and be more greatly affected by most. If you're a guy, you worry about AIDS, herpes, and then consider the rest of the spectrum a rather minor and curable price to pay for extra sensation. Not saying it's smart or right, just that it is the way most guys I know tend to feel.
And you're darn right that dental dams are too difficult to find. I've tracked mine down in a Safe Sex Store, and you can order them online, but you sure as heck can't wander into most pharmacies and choose them from a rack like you can condoms. And forget completely about finding them in places like Africa or Southeast Asia.
Question -- why don't [i]you[/i] provide the dental dam for your clients? Get some of the flavored ones, some water-based lube, and you could probably have some fun teaching old dogs new tricks and also eliminate the thinking even when the job he's doing is just so-so :)
About 8-9 months ago I was reading a discussion on this site about HSVII test kits sold by Diagnology under the name POCkit. I bought a 5 pack for about $100. The kits are awesome, easy to use and greatly reduce the hazard of unprotected sex plus they are FDA approved. It's the ONLY "at home/hotel" herpes test kit available which does not require special equipment, 2 hour incubation, expensive $50. +, and training. I have used all my kits up. And in doing so I might add, got laid by some absolutely beautiful American women who I know would have otherwise told me to spontaneously fuck off!! Also, the kit makes a great excuse for playing Doctor!! Anyway, I had planned on using them in Thailand, but it just didn't seem to be necessary when I got there with condoms.
Now, I tried to buy some more this week and discovered Diagnology has filed bankruptcy in the last two months. CDC said bankruptcy had nothing to do with efficacy of their kit. I have done a detailed research to locate something comparable, and spoke with various people in the Herpes organizations. There is NOTHING else out there. WOW that is dissapointing!
The company is located in Belfast, N. Ireland. I quess I'll call and try to locate a court appointed Bankruptcy Trustee. Possibly learn who bought the inventory, or if I can buy what's left. Does any one know how quickly inventory is liquidated in a bankruptcy. Any suggestions on getting some more of these kits? PLEASE HELP! It sure is a great tool, for for nailing FREE sex with those classy, and smart American ladies!
Thanks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/3250785.stm
BBC: Self Test Quiz on condoms. John Skinles got them all right, except for eight of them.
well i know there is probably not much interest from the mongers about this: it's a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test for chlamydia cost about $100.00 when my physcician told me he would need to swab the uretha channel of my favorite friend to test for chlamydia it gave me the creeps. so i found this site: http://www.requestatest.com/pages/2/index.htm for a $100. you can have lab-work done on a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test, drawn and sent from the privacy of ones own home. just in case someone wants the test and without the alternative discomfort.
i think someone on this site suggested cutting that new over the counter cream abreva with astroglide or other lubricant. i asked a physcian to prescribe me some of the topical cream nameed zyclovir/acyclovir. i'm going to use it around the base of the shaft when i start mongering in rio and sao paulo next week. i think just as a added precaution i'm going to take a few free samples (coupons on the web) for the the famvir and valtrex oral suppression tablets for hsv just in case i see red bumps. i don't know do you think it would add some protection if i took one of those a day, for the couple of weeks i'm mongering down there?
a few weeks ago l bought 12 of those 10 minute hiv blood test kits (non fda approved) called discreet for $20.00 each. i would not recomend these kits, the instructions are confusing i even had a physician friend in my office help me perform the test. we got a positive reading. tt freaked the motherf out of me! i beelined to the clinic for a blood test that afternoon! it came back negative a week later. wow, it was frightning, i remember thinking denial is the first stage, then i started to seriously consider if i should just go back to kansas and die! i then downloaded further test instructions from their web site. i began seeing how the results could be easily mis-interepreted. this was after doing three of those stupid tests on myself! wow, that was a wake up call!
safe mongering trails to us all!
Wow, I spoke with my pharmacist today. He said over the counter Abreva cream is better at BLOCKING transmission of HSVII then Zovirax/Acyclovir. I bought about 5 of those little tubes of Abreva for $15.00 each. I asked him about getting a free sample of Valatrex or Famvir as I wanted to have something to quickly suppress a HSVII outbreak if contracted in the monger field. He said I should consider taking it as a body prophalactic to block getting the virus. I'm going to get a three week supply via free samples just to play it ultra safe. The stuff is horribly expensive about $200 for a 30 day supply. Bought some of those antimicrobial hand wipes today, similar to baby wipes, some Alluna herbal sleeping pills which I think work very well and a homepathic called "No Jet Lag" which I swear really works for me. I'm going to wear a respiratory mask on the flight because I feel that is one of the most suseptible environments for catching a bacterial infection. I'm playing everything close to the vest because my little guy deserves all the fun I can give him!!
Sweeeeeeeeeet, I used the on-line free sample coupons for Valtrex and Famvir printed from their web sites. Using as body (armour) prophalactics against HSV-1-2 while mongering the next 3 weeks in Brazil and Argentina. Got 28 Famivir and 10 Valtrex from pharmacy, over $150.00 worth of pharmaceuticals for FREE. NICE!!! Safe mongering trails to us ALL!
i have screwed at least four hundred different hoes over the years and i never use a condom. i always blow my load inside them even if they think i am going to pull out. i have never caught anything more then clymadia. i wash my weiner imediately after i ejaculate my load inside of them with a 99.9% germ killing anti-bacterial extensively over my penis including the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole. the plain fact is you cannot get hiv from vaginal sex. any guy who gets it is bi-sexual and has been screwed in the ass by another man. thems the facts whether you likes it or not. thank goodness for anti-bac soaps and lotions.
And you're a doctor who's qualified to make such a statement, which contradicts all authoritative information, right? The "facts" are that you've been stupid but lucky, and somehow think your luck translates into medical wisdom.
Stephen Horndog,
I tend to agree with you, or would at least go as far as to say that the penetrative partner, if circumsized and having reasonably well lubed sex(either naturally or KY), has little chance of aquiring hiv. But I would add that anal sex is also not particularly risky for the penetrator, regardless of the gender of the anus he is penetrating.
Just one question - where do you practice the hobby? I find it is somewhat harder, though far from impossible, to get bareback from girls working in the US than here in S.E. Asia. Do you have a hard time finding ones that will do it?
Dear Gents,
Could an expert comment on whether shaving your private unit increases the chances of getting STDs?
As always, thanks in advance.
Latenightbootycalls!
Well I got 4 out of 10 right on Skinless' condom quiz, which is an F in my book, but at least got the only important one right: which kind doesn't prevent STDs. One of the 4 I got right (size of female condom) I just fucking guessed.
Seriously Stephen and Opebo:
HIV is transmitted through bodily fluids except saliva. Now a women's vaginal fluid can maintain the HIV virus, when you penis is in her it opens partially, exposing you the fluid. Remember fluid can come out of your penis and so could some go back in.
Seriously men, I wont go into this further as it is an obvious subject.
Dont you think its spreading around enough, not only HIV but other STDs.
I too had similar results with this Discreet test. Luckily I had found several complaints on numerous websites regarding the reliability of the test and exactly how to read the results. As soon as you watch the blood and solution mix pass through the reader window, if no line forms under the "T" section, then your negative. If any line forms AFTER the "C" line has showed it should be disregarded! If you did not know this, you're in for one roller coaster ride with this test. I managed to get a hold of them by phone and they told me a line will ALWAYS form under the positive reaction part eventually!
I went out and got a real test which was negative. Same as the discreet test. I seriously wonder if this test is real at all. I have suspicion it is a complete, absolute fraud, but who knows.
As for there being no chance of catching HIV from intercourse without a condom?!? You're, nuts dude. True it is lower risk then bareback anal, or sharing a needle, but it's a real risk, people catch HIV this way every thirty seconds around the world. Just ask people in Africa.
HIV is real people, you have to take precautions to avoid it. 48,000,000 people world wide have it. Most caught it from heterosexual sex acts! True stat! I monger as much as any of you do. I fear and respect the disease, but I try and play it safe. I went bareback with receiving blowjobs for some 10 years, I now even cover up for those too.
And a quick question..............How popular do you think Thailand, or other major monger watering hole will be once a cure or vaccine for HIV comes? I'm willing to bet flights to Bangkok are sold out for years in advance once HIV is curable or a real vaccine is made!
GETTINGTANG~!
I have had unprotected anal sex with over 10,000 prostitutes, mostly in Africa. I also shoot up a lot. Needles are expensive so I normally borrow one from my bisexual neighbor. It's kind of a hassle because I have to wait until he is done using them to clean his fingernails but man do I save a lot of money.
So far I have avoided any STDs because after I come in her ass I stay in there until she farts and I think that does a pretty good job of blowing all the germs off my dick. Just in case, though, I use the needle I just shot up with to clean out my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] hole.
Hey Opebo and Horndog, let's get together and party some time.
Dickhead: Maybe Ruli in China would suit you. Over 80% of the hookers go skinless and the HIV rate is about the same.
I saw on the nvbrothels board that somebody got herpes at Viking Resort in the DR.
LMAO Dickhead.
Dick Head,
You really are a dickhead. Wow what a guess. Any ways you people know nothing. Any doctor will tell you that you cannot get AIDS from vaginal sex. There is not one documented case of hetrosexual aids. So you guys can end this debate right now. Go ask your doctor and he will tell you that unless you are engaging in anal sex with another man you've got no worries.
So put your dam chickens in a condom if you like but every chick I screw is bareback.
Dickhead
"Probably the best post I have seen in a very very long time!"
Had me laughing my socks off.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Why do people still think that HIV is not a problem? We all know that homosexuals, IV drug users and prostitutes are the highest risk areas for western men to catch the disease.
Opebo and Horndog,
If a stranger held a pistol to your head and told you they didn't know if it was loaded or not, but that they would pull the trigger anyway, how would you feel? I suspect that the least you would do is fart, at worst faint with pants full of your farts follow through!
Having unprotected sex with a prostitute in some countries is not far away from playing Russian Roulette. (Esp in Russia, Africa and Asia, see the latest HIV spread statistics).
You may well be clean, but answer this question, were all the guys who fucked your prostitute in the last 7 days clean as well?
You never know 100%.
A girl working in a brothel may have over 10 partners in a night, thats 70 in a working week! Even if they get tested regularly for HIV and other STD's, they would get tested "at best" once a month. (Law in Germany I think!)
That works out to be some 300+ clients between tests if you are lucky.
If a girl has an annual test then thats 3600+....... Go figure how many of those would be totally clean fucks?
If she lets you fuck her in the ass without a condom then I guarantee that YOU are NOT the first!
I think you will get the idea that the risk factor of infection is now rising rapidly.
At the top end of the scale a high class girl in a cabaret or some such won't sleep with as many men, but will go longer between tests.
To catch HIV, from anal or vaginal sex you need only transfer enough infected fluid to cover the nail of your little finger - FACT! It does not have to be blood transferal, although the fluid does have to get into your blood stream, and can be easily done through tiny tears in your dick.
It is inlikely that you will catch HIV from oral sex, unless she uses her teeth and dribbles alot, and has bleeding gums, or if you are the "giver" then if your gums bleed you are AT RISK. (teeth brushing before and immediately after is ill advised, as is eating hard food like crisps, cookies etc) HIV will not survive in the stomach due to the acid.
The only good thing about your posts (opebo & horndog) is that you remind the rest of us of need to wear condoms and protect ourselves, and I/we hope that you have not had the same girl as we after she had her last HIV test.
You are both walking high risk individuals. I really hope you see some sense before its too late. No one deserves to die a painful and agonising death, and I wish you all the best, but please please, (and this is written in all sincerity) be more careful!
Thats it from me
good luck and have fun
ST
By the way, a previous girlfriend was a nurse, thats why I know about the fluid amounts etc. She brought home some docs for me to read a few years back.
Interestingly, if nurses or doctors get cut in an operating theatre they immediately have an antidote injection within a few hours or so, then have a HIV test and Hep test within a week. They're not allowed to operate until the results come back. Apparently its a common occurance. I was shocked, until it was pointed out to me that someone is bound to be cut when you work with sharp knives and needles all day etc.
Reading this particular thread, has become as interesting for me as reading the life experiences of various members on other threads. Like any hobby, it is enveloping and developing, and research helps keep it fun.
We all get our pleasure in different ways, and view risk with varying degrees of importance. Each to his own, and I won't begin to try and preach on here, but sometimes its easy to forget that there are some eight+ different STDs that one can catch during hetrosexual sexual intercourse, each with varying degrees of pain and embarassement and life changing concequences.
Its your body, your life, you only get one of each!
How much change and embarassment can you handle?
Excellent post, dickhead - I'm still laughing two days later, everytime I see it. Just too funny!
Slappy, I'd certainly like to see you shuffle up to Magic Johnson and tell him he just HAD to have been taking it up the wazoo from one of his teammates, since there are no documented cases of F2M HIV transmission. I guess his doctor must have fudged the paperwork, huh?
Swiss: Good points, all. Unfortunately lost on some of this crowd, though.
Play safe, boys - just think about the future return trips you'd otherwise miss!
Is this section only for AIDS, or can we speak about other STDs ?
Has any of you ever get a "moluscum contagium" ? This is a kind of little shits that have been growing on my pubic (not the organs so far) and can become red and itching. According to the doctor I have seen in this Pattaya hosptital, it is not very serious but quite persistent and contagious. So I got that from one of the cuties here... He suggests a curage but I have not yet decided what to do. Ii seems that cream is not very efficient. Any experience of that ? Thanks.
Tough luck, Erik! I've happily avoided moluscum, but I've read that doctors remove them either with a curette or with liquid nitrogen, neither of which sounds exactly pleasant. This looks to be one of the rare ones that men contract more easily than do women.
Dunno about the reliability of their device, but there's a lot of good info on the whole things at [url]http://www.molluscum.com/[/url]
Eric,
Here's a brief overview. It is from a urology web site. I think it is relatively straight forward and understandable.
Overview:
Molluscum contagiosum is a viral infection that produces small, painless blisters that may, at first, resemble genital warts. It may cause serious complications in people with immunodeficiency disorders (e.g., AIDS).
Incidence and Prevalence:
Molluscum contagiosum accounts for fewer than 3% of STDs in the United States. It usually occurs in people 20 to 40 years old.
Causes:
The disease is most often spread through direct skin-to-skin contact. Transmission through shared items (e.g., towels, gym equipment) occurs infrequently in adults. Scratching, picking, or breaking the blisters can spread the infection to other areas of the body. Molluscum contagiosum also is spread through sexual contact and commonly affects the pubic area, groin, thighs, buttocks, and external genitalia.
Infected children often spread the disease by scratching the blisters and touching one another; blisters usually appear on the face. Salivary transmission occurs among young children.
Signs and Symptoms:
Blisters, or papules, usually appear about 6 weeks after exposure but may appear within 1 week. They form at the location where the virus entered the body, usually on the genitals, thighs, or lower abdomen. A person with a weakened immune system may experience outbreaks on the face or scalp. The blisters are waxy and raised, with a dimple on top. They can be flesh-colored, white, pink, yellow, or clear. Single papules may appear first, then multiply to form clusters that sometimes resemble genital warts. Itching is common, but pain is rare. A few patients experience red, scaly skin around the blisters.
Individual blisters may resolve on their own in about 2 months, but an outbreak can last 6 months to 3 years.
Diagnosis:
The blisters are distinctive, so diagnosis is typically made by observation. Doctors confirm the diagnosis with a biopsy and microscopic examination of biopsied tissue. Often, a physician removes ("unroofs") the top of a blister and push out its core. Molluscum contagiosum blisters have a characteristic white core and bleed rapidly following unroofing.
Treatment:
Although the virus remains in the body, a healthy person’s immune system usually controls outbreaks and suppresses blister formation. Outbreaks can recur, and they are usually associated with a weakened immune system. There is no specific treatment. Blisters may be removed surgically by cutting, burning, chemical destruction, or freezing with liquid nitrogen. These procedures are done in the office under local anesthetic. Retinoids (e.g., Retin A®), an acne treatment, may be used. Increased sun sensitivity is a common side effect.
hello everybody my first time posting in this section.i have a few questions if you'll could help answer i would greatly appreciate it.
1] can one get aids from a bj and what are the types pf std's one can get with bbbj .
2] does coming in the mouth raise the level of risk in anyway .
3] after sex when one pulls the condom off i'm sure theres some vaginal fluid on the condom.is there a safe or certain way to pull off the condom to avoid it from maybe touching ones [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole .
thanks
on deck
hello on deck,
here is what i have been taught:
1. the risk is minimal to none for cbj for both receiver and giver. with bbbj, the risk increase dramatically for the giver. if you have no lesions, no inflammation, no breakage of skin/mucous membranes on penis, and there is no damage inflicted by the mouth of the giver, then again the risk is minimal to you. otoh, the giver is potentially playing with her life because she may have lesions in her mouth or other openings caused by brushing, eating food, or whatever else that leave her susceptible to all sorts of stds.
2. due to the last sentence above, yes, the risk is raised dramatically to the giver, not the receiver.
3. while holding the tip of the condom, roll the condom off with the other hand until it is loose enough that gentle tugging can release it. dispose of it, wash your hands carefully (meaning spend some time and rub well under running water with soap), then wash your penis. then take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] to flush the urethra.
hope this helps.
degano
Thanks very much for the info. I think I am going to have the 3 blisters removed.
What is the best thing to do in case of condom breakage?
Of course, first what one might think about is to take penis out and take a shower. Are there any other things one can do to reduce the consequent risks?
stalin - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url]. always a good idea after a condom break. peeing in the shower while you wash your penis kills two birds with one stone. obviously there is a lot less risk involved with a condom breakage for men than there is for women, but if you are really concerned, you could go straight to a doctor/clinic/hospital and get a dose of precautionary antibiotics. most importantly - don't ever be too 'ashamed' to tell the truth to a doctor. don't be afraid to say that you were having sex with a girl you don't know too well and that the condom broke. they can't treat you properly if they don't have all the facts.
On Deck - Just to add to Degano's post re: STDs from BBBJ. Like Degano said, the chance of you contracting HIV/AIDS while getting a blowjob is slim to none. However, you can very, VERY easily catch herpes, which is an extremely common INCURABLE virus. Also, if the girl giving the BBBJ has gonorrhoea of the throat - which is highly likely is she makes a habit of giving BBBJs! - you can also contract gonorrhoea.
And as Degano pointed out, BBBJs are much more dangerous for the girl doing the blowing. So when a girl offers you a BBBJ, knowing full well that she's putting herself at great risk of disease, the question you should be asking yourself is ...WHY DOESN'T SHE CARE????
Could it be that she already has numerous nasty infections and couldn't care less about catching another one?
Well, RN, with all due respect, I don't know that all women are aware of the magnitude of the risks, so her offer may have nothing to do with already being typhoid Mary. She may, as is the case with may guys here, simply be balancing risk with reward -- the odds of catching HIV this way are radically lower than through standard intercourse, everything else won't kill you if you get treatment, and there are plenty of guys who either will pay more for BBBJ or who say they won't go unless it's part of the deal.
And I say this as someone who [i]has[/i] gotten the clap from BBBJ.
Again I have been caught writing with my "educated western girl from a developed country with a good health system" hat on. I do apologise. That was one of my standard spiels for clients of sex workers who, for the most part, had more than enough sexual health information available to them.
Spank me. I've been bad.
I dunno, RN, I've already got this pretty long list of spankings I owe you. I'm not sure my poor RSI-saddled wrists could hold up should I ever collect... :D
What about the flip side? What about going down on a girl which happens to be a staple of repetoire. I do not practice it indiscrimantely but I have been known to engage in it. Funnily enough, I do think that I once caught a cold that way :(, but it was worth it.
But what says you? Going down on a girl? What are the risks? Does the same apply to the giver of bbbj?
I am happy to announce publicly today that I have had succesfully my three moluscum blisters removed by laser, without any pain at all. According to the doctor, there will be no consequences, except if there was any more blister still unvisible, in process of formation, that might appear soon.
I would actually rather undergo this operation 10 times than going once to the dentist. This Pattaya hospital in Soi 4 is perfect. It all happened with a lot of smiles, quiet voices, slow gestures, sweet words, in the best Thai way, nothing in common with what we know in our Western hospitals. While the cute young nurse was cleanning my pubis, she started to chat me up whith the same english level and same type of questions bar girls use, like where I come from, how old I am and wether I am single or not. Then suddenly I was in a bit of a panic, as I felt a hard on coming, while the doctor was to enter the room any second. Enventually the female doctor in her 30s arrived, and they were both busy working on my pubis, and I was feeling nothing at all . They even used an icing system on the skin, so that I don't feel the needdle of the local anesthesy injection. So sweet... At the end, the doctor told me "Ok, tonight you can shower and... everything as usual". I nearly asked her if I could hospital-fine the nurse, but I thought that the 3500 B bill was enough for today.
RN, thank you for your advice concerning with a condom break.
How many days are given to take precautionary antibiotics? I understand that the sooner the better, but when is it too late?
Good for you Erik.
Congrats. You will sleep better and enjoy life a lot more.
RN,
In reference to getting herpes from a BBBJ, this is certainly possible and does happen.
I've read, however, that if the guy washes the area extensively that night with soap and water that the hepres virus can be literally washed away. Is this actually true or is this just wishful thinking?
Cupid Stunt -- yes, pretty much the same things apply, though there are some important differences as well. I don't believe there are any confirmed transmission of HIV in either direction from cunnilingus, and you need to add Hep B, molluscum contagiosum and chlamydia to the list.
Joe Zop,
If your HIV statistic is correct, I would think it's only because it would be difficult to confirm cunnilingus as being a primary culprit in HIV transmission due to the fact it's often only a prelude of intercorse which is considered a confirmed common spreader. It does not nessisarily mean HIV can not be transmitted this way.
I hear saliva helps kill the virus, but think about it, there is much trauma that goes on in your mouth during regular brushing and flossing (sometimes even bleeding), not unlike the normal trauma and microscopic skin abrasions caused by sex that HIV has been proven to infiltrate. Maybe RN can confirm any risk here.
If you must eat a high risk pussy, an HIV test clinic once recommended to me a product called "dental dam" or the use of an equivelent barrier of non-microwavable plastic wrap. I know that might be akward to incorperate into ones routine, but better safe than sorry. I personally found using it unappealing so I just refrain from eating SW pussy altogether and reserve it exclusively for my girlfriend. Lucky her. LOL!
J Burb
On Deck,
I cant advise on the best removal of a condom after sex other than "carefully", but I have discoved that passing ones condom covered stiffy through the dickhole of your underwear prior to intercorse can help protect the base of your penis and groin region from any potentially hazzardous vaginal fluids or skin to skin contact.
J Burb
J Burb, you may well be correct, as HIV is in vaginal fluids, but of course the number of confirmed infections via blowjob is also very low. A dental dam is definitely safer, and it's really not that hard to incorporate into the routine.
I'm not thrilled, however, with your condom removal process. Given that the fluids you're worried about are on the outside and not inside of the condom, your method would seem to allow those fluids to end up touching clothing which would then be touching you, not to mention staying attached to the clothing. IMHO you're better off simply putting one hand on the top of the condom and rolling it down, then washing your hand. I suppose you could put something on your hand as well, since obviously, unless you're wearing a glove theres some risk of infection via a cut on the hand, but the realistic chances are fairly minimal.
I used to take my blowjobs bareback only. In fact if she would not perform a BJ with no condom, I moved on. The sensation is just not the same with a condom. You want to know it's your dick she is sucking on and not a piece of rubber! However, I have in the past few months, changed my position on this. I rarely will even accept a BJ unless a condom is used, or she is hell A clean! And yes I know looks alone cannot determine if a provider is packing a disease.
The reason for this is simple. I used to buy into the theory that HIV could basically not be transmitted via oral sex. We have all heard this in the past. Also we have the CDC boasting about "no documented cases with a male receiving a bj" okay, fine. But what they won't tell you are the hundreds and hundreds of guys out there who claim with almost absolute certainty that they contracted HIV from a blowjob.
However, the CDC will not document their cases. Why? Because if a guy goes and and takes 101 blowjobs all without a condom, all from different girls, (for augments sake, lets say hookers) and he has one sexual intercourse, (EVEN WITH A CONDOM) and then he tests positive for HIV, they will not document the case as being contracted by oral! The reason is because in their little chart they use, oral is safer then intercourse even with a condom! Therefore they cannot with absolute 100% remove the intercourse as the possible transmission source!
Keep in mind in surveys done a few years ago 88% of men who seek P4P are doing so for oral sex! Most say they don't get this service at home, so they seek it elsewhere. (something for you hard-ass wives to think about)
Have you ever noticed how easily gums bleed? You also must assume most SW are not practicing the best oral hygiene. In fact most probably have tooth and gum decay. All it takes is for a small amount of blood to be present in their mouths! How the hell the CDC can run around saying receiving oral sex is safe because there has never been a "documented" case, is beyond me! It's criminal in my opinion. There have probably been tens of thousands of men catch HIV from receiving oral sex. Lots of hookers trying to pass it, lots have drug addiction, lots with bleeding gums, but if this guy ever fucked any of them, even with a condom! No documentation!
Best keep it covered for everything boys!
GETTINGTANG~!
You can really only 'early treat' GC/Chlamydia (there is an emergency prophylaxis protocol for HIV but this is not commonly used). Hep, you're fucked. There is an off the shelf recc for Aldara for molluscum (works on Condyloma) It uses your own body's immune system to take care of the virus. I suppose you could prophylax against Herpes but never seen any studies on it.
Emergency prophylaxis of GC/Chlamydia: It is not a scenario one encounters that often, even in an ER setting. Usually patients are seen who have symptoms or who have a partner who has recently tested positive. Still if one came with that scenario, I wouldn't have a prob in treating it. Funny that most patients seeking the morning after pill aren't concerned about STDs as well.
Standard of care for GC or Chlamydia is the following (usually you are treated for both at the same time);
Rocephin (Ceftriaxone) 125 mg IM OR Cipro 500 mg single dose (Cipro not as advised for SE Asia due to resistance). This is to treat the Gonorrhea
and
Azithromycin 1 gm single dose or Doxycycline 100 mg 2 X a day for 7 days . This is to treat the Chlamydia.
another accepted alternative is Azithromycin 2 gm single dose
I don't recommend guys going around dosing themselves with repeated or long-term prophylaxis because they choose not to wear condoms. You are only contributing to the pool of resistance going that route (one of the reasons Asia has resistance to fluoroquinolones -- overtreatment!).
GettingTang,
I think those 'hundreds and hundreds' of guys who claim to have gotten HIV from a blowjob were giving the BJ, not receiving.
Here's my question. Why on earth would you want to bother with getting a BJ with a condom? Much less paying for it? I fail to see how that is any more enjoyable than staying home and masturbating. (Of course for me the same could be said for intercourse with a condom). It seems to me that the 'is it worth even doing at all' factor comes in somewhere here.
Hi RN & JBurg & Degano and all others thanks for the advice .I do realise the risks involved and like u said who knows what she may be having.I just got checked recently and Thank God nothing to worry about on the report .I will now stop playing with my life and get under covers.Thanks once again for your help and advice in the matter.
On Deck
Opebo,
I think your right on the money with your BJ hunch. In a forum such as this, it's far too easy to overlook the "gay male" factor.
As for CCBJ's I only get them as a novelty just to help warm up before tapping some ass. Mainly because her mouth is there and I can. I would never pay for one by itself however.
J Burb
Can you eliminate or greatly reduce your chances of getting hepres from a BBBJ by extensively washing the area with soap and water immediately after the act? I've read something about this in the past. Is this just a theory or is it a scientific fact? It "sounds" reasonable.
Paddy
Paddy, given that washing hands, towels, etc. after touching a herpes sore one of the ways herpes sufferers are urged to protect their family from non-sexual transmission, that might sound reasonable, but from everything I've read washing and/or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] may reduce but will not eliminate the risk of infection. It can help remove some of the germs that cause some STDs, but it's rather like the rhythm method of contraception -- it works when it works, and it doesn't when it doesn't. Probably still worth doing both, but far from clear protection.
During 20 years in the game, I've had STDs three times in spite of using condoms (and using them correctly, I would claim, but I cannot prove that here). Fortunately all 3 instances were easily curable bacteria. I guess the mechanism is that fluids may seep around the condom, or else "splash around" when the condom was removed. In more recent years I've been disease-free after instituting what I call my "super safe sex" approach. And for those of you who crave BBBJ (or bareback anything), please keep in mind I don't judge you, I only offer the following suggestions for people who, like me, want to minimize their risks.
A first simple rule is to not go with anyone unless she's worth it. My own cutoff is an "8" (on my subjective scale). Whatever the cutoff is, stick with it. Basically the rewards must compensate the risk. Secondly, while condom usage is obviously essential, also important is the pattern of behavior of your sex partner. Does she regularly use condoms ? Does she get checkups ? It is impossible to know for sure, but one can often guess with high confidence. For example, a clean-looking brothel worker in Nevada most likely uses condoms for everything and she knows HOW to use them (water based lubricant, etc.). She most likely gets regular medical checkups. In contrast, the crack-addicted girl in the 'hood who offers BBBJ for $20 does not look good to me. And there's a whole spectrum in between.
Whatever your cutoff is, suppose you've picked up your dream girl, now what ? As a test I usually ask (very politely) for a BBBJ. What I'm looking for is that they say "no, I refuse to do anything without a condom" and they show they have a condom ready. This is a good sign and I may let them do that. However, if they agree readily to BBBJ, my next step is to cut my losses (again very politely to avoid problems). Depending on my mood, this either means giving them the money and asking them to leave, or donning a condom and asking for a hand job at the previously agreed price (the reason being that the girls may use saliva for lubrication without asking). In all cases, the girls are happy to get money for little or no work. Again, I can see some hardcore guys laughing at this, but this is just my personal choice.
Because of my policy, in most cities in the USA. I make do without most of the time in recent years. There are still a few liberal areas in the USA but they are not in my main orbit. The strong LE where I live has produced a 2-tier system which I think is typical. The girls are either high-class escorts costing $300+ or they are very cheap street girls. I don't begrudge anyone the price they can demand, but I cannot afford either.
Paddy, I have to agree with JZ here, although it certainly can't hurt, it very possibly won't help either. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] will help with diseases like syphilis, Gonnorhea, Clamydia, but doesn't help much with herpes. Washing the area might help if it's done immediately after contact but if you're having sex this isn't possible. I mean if your getting a BJ or sex and it lasts fifteen minutes that is plenty of time to get infected. On the other hand if you touched a herpes sore on your thigh and touched your face and immediately wiped it with an alcohol pad it would probably work.
GT, I think its only possible to get HIV from a bbbj if the man has a break in the skin lining of his penis. For example if he has herpes and it's not 100% healed and the SW has bleeding gums then sure transmission would be possible. Even the CDC admits this. Otherwise its almost impossible. HIV is a very fragile virus and cannot survive the journey up the urethra to enter the bloodstream and infect a person. However with millions of men suffering from herpes (and sometimes outbreaks are so minor its barely noticable) it's possible that HIV can be spread this way.
Also, I work in the health care field. I think herpes is not as bad as some people think. Although some people get frequent and severe outbreaks, most people get a few small blisters a couple of times a year which last for a few days. Usually acyclovir taken twice a day prevents outbreaks and you may never have another outbreak again. Valtrex is taken once a day and the same thing. It is being studied as possibly preventing transmission of the virus by shedding which sometimes occurs with herpes. If the clinical trials prove correct not only will you be able to prevent outbreaks but also prevent transmission. Acyclovir is cheap, has almost no side effects and it works.
Civ2K
Let me come back to the "Molluscum contagiosum" mentioned by Erik.
I got this sh*t as well in October in Bangkok. even if it's quite harmless, that was the first STD I got in my life and it gives you a bad feeling. I have the operation in 2 weeks. I could not fuck for 3 months.
Any idea how to avoid contacting that ? I can remember that one of the girl from Sukhumvit always turned off the lights when getting out of the shower. I thought that was because she was shy but I realise I may have been too naive. Next time I will always do an inspection before getting to business.
The rule mentioned below by Snake27 "not go with anyone unless she's worth it" makes sense as well. It does not help fucking as many girls as possible. I will definitely change my behaviour after this first STD experience.
Latrell
Latrell2, the problem is that Molluscum contagiosum is generally spread from close physical contact, but can also come from shared towels, swimming pools, etc. and it's a localized infection (you can get it anywhere on your body except supposedly on the palms of your hands and soles of your feet) so it's not something that you can necessarily prevent with a condom, though that is definitely supposed to help. This means that the only way you're going to be able to really prevent transmission is though a close physical inspection. It's also something that's more prevalent in tropical areas, though it occurs worldwide, so SE Asia is a prime spot.
To me, the main worry would not be that it's rising in occurrence (which is true -- estimates say that between 2% and 8% worldwide over everyone worldwide will get it, including around 5% of US children) but that between 5% and 20% of HIV+ patients have symptomatic molluscum contagiosum. Given that these can be open sores, that would seem to indicate to me a higher than normal possibility for HIV transmission.
BTW, it's also worth noting that there's another infection that appears similar to this one -- penicillium marneffei, a fungal infection which is supposedly the third most common among HIV patients in SE Asia. Penicillium marneffei can be transmitted via respiration and is endemic in Thailand.
Now, that doesn't mean your Sukhumvit honey was hiding anything from you -- as I'm sure you know Thai women are often quite shy, not to mention naive about such diseases. No question at all that Snake27's approach is one that increases safety, but I don't know how many of us are willing to go to that extreme. Personally, I figure I'm accepting some degree of risk by having multiple partners and that condoms and visual inspection can help minimize, but not eliminate that risk.
This is a close up photo I took of the vaginal area of a SW in Guangzhou, China. No I didn't do her after seeing this, bag or no bag. See my report in that section if you want the details.
PLEASE BE FOREWARNED, this is a shocking photo: sores containing puss, vaginal exudate, etc. I didn't want to post it, but several people asked for it after my report. I hope its taken as a public service announcement. Its out there waiting for us every day, good brothers.
Be careful out there.
Cronin
Cronin
I am not a doctor but it look like she has a case of herpes..full blowned. Just my USD$0.03. Thanks for having the courage to share and inform us mongers...
Definately a severe case of genital herpes. You can see the sores that have healed as well. Acyclovir capsules taken three or four times a day for a week as well as Zovirax ointment applied directly to the affected site should clear it right up and she'll be as good as new. In addition if she continues taking two acylovir tablets a day, chances are she can prevent from coming back.
Cronin,
Thanks. We've all seen such pictures on various websites, but for me at least, it hit home a lot more, seeing it here (and seeing it posted by you, since we mongered together once). Because of your picture, I will be damn certain to do a full inspection, in full lighting next time.
I'm not a Dr. but I think your buddy Johnny "the King" of GZ may know one in your area.
Thanks for the community service. We all should do this if we ever come across a sour pussy.
Lucky,
I remember that day, it was great, looking foward to seeing you again sometime buddy.
I always TRY to do an inspection, but truthfully it is usually just because I want to see the beautiful liitle pussy, not really for health reasons. Oh sure, I always SAY its a health inspection, but I'm just in love with the female anatomy, as are we all.
However, from now on it WILL be a health inspection, damn straight on that. The problem is that some ST rooms don't really have lights, maybe a little night lite thing. So you can't see too much. I'm thinking about carrying a little pen light with me now, if I can find one in China.
That's one more thing to remember before I leave the house...pen light, extra condoms, vitamin V, lubricant, not too much cash, map, wash moby...what did I forget? Oh yeah, that damn camera!
I'm going to the local pharmacy to buy some Acyclovir for my little friend. I'm almost certain I saw it there before. I just called her to tell her she had herpes, and amazingly she understood. (The word is paozhen). I'll have to make her understand the dosage schedule, that will be a hell of a lot more difficult.
Cronin
I forgot: Thank You Civ2000! You really helped!
Cronin: You have provided probably the best public service here so far of all posters. Interesting and sad how she (has to) deny it
Oh God(pardon me Rev Skinless), but that's one of the sickest images I've seen on this website. I'll be sure to wash my doodle very carefully from now on.
In all honestly Cronin, I think it’s best she goes to a STD clinic or gynaecologist. Also because a member on this thread posted about Molluscum contagiosum. I visited the respective website and some of those yellowish/white heads could be that. She needs proper diagnosis and immediate treatment.
Your posting of the photo was in good judgement.
Guys,
I just got home from taking the Acyclovir over to her. I also bought some antibacterial douche, I forget the chemical name, its a common one. The two week supply of Acyclovir plus the douche came to about 50RMB (about $5 American).
She was really appreciative and the mama was happy and her other "sister" was happy. Mama kept telling her to listen to me because I knew what I was talking about. Of course, I was just parroting what you guys told me, so their appreciation should go to you guys too.
I made her repeat the daily dose schedule to me about 10 times, until she was sick of that game. Mama and "sister" are on board. I think we did a good thing here guys. Thanks again.
Hey, NYC: Thanks for that comment. I was beginning to delude myself into thinking I had solved this. But you are absolutely correct about taking her to the clinic. Thanks to you, that will happen.
Cronin
Cronin, Your welcome. I'm glad I could help. I've seen lots of cases of herpes and thats what this is. It's definately not Molluscum. Let me know how the Acyclovir works. I think within two days there should be improvement. The blisters will then drain and scab over and within a week should be barely noticable.
Just a quick disclaimer however: I am not a medical doctor and my advice is not a substitute for seeing a qualified physician.
Civ2K
Cronin,
Looking at the pic makes me start to wonder what the hell we are doing with these girls at all. Especially the ones we frequent so often at the low end of the market. Very scary stuff. Although I very rarely DATY and never go BB, it still worries me. I never conduct a close-up examination; ruins the mood for me so to speak. I better start doing it anyway!
I would imagine that most girls in her position might be in self-denial in these circumstances. Fear of losing face probably keeps her from going to a clinic or sharing her dilemna with other girls. It's great that you took things in your own hands, but I would still get her to a doctor for a proper check. There may be more going on there than meets the eye.
Thanks for sharing and waking us up, my friend!
OAH
Cronin,
You deserve highest commendation caring about her condition and taking her to a physician.
Please post the diagnosis if you find out since this is a learning process for us all. Thanks.
The Risks & The Facts.
The Risks: HIV, Sphilis and Hepatits B
CMP = Client of male prostitue
CFP = Client of female prostitue
The HIV-positive rate is 36.6% among CMP and 2.9% among CFP.
Syphilis seromarkers is about 15.9% of CMP and 10.1% of CFP.
Hepatitis B seromarkers were identified in 58.0% of CMP and 24.6% of CFP.
**rates are higher in sub-saharan africa***
What you can do about your risks:
1. Condoms lower your risk. Going bareback is stupid.
2. Get your Hep B vaccine
3. Anal sex Male or Female is highest risk.
4. Get a STD check once a year.
5. It's your choice.
Biblography: (for further reading)
AIDS Educ Prev. 1997 Oct; 9(5): 411-23. Related Articles, Links
Condom use by Dutch men with commercial heterosexual contacts: determinants and considerations.
de Graaf R, van Zessen G, Vanwesenbeeck I, Straver CJ, Visser JH.
The Netherlands Institute of Mental Health and Addiction (Trimbos-instituut), Utrecht, The Netherlands.
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol. 1999 Feb 1; 20(2): 195-200.
HIV seroprevalence and risk factors among clients of female and male prostitutes. Elifson KW, Boles J, Darrow WW, Sterk CE.
Department of Sociology, Georgia State University, Atlanta 30303, USA. sockwe@langate.gsu.edu
Musicco M for the Italian Partners' Study. Oral contraception, IUD, condom use and man to woman transmission of HIV infection. Presented at the Sixth International Conference on AIDS; June 21, 1990; San Francisco, Calif. Abstract ThC584.
Hi guys,
I'm been to some normal drugstores (not chinese medicine) but still all the names and things look chinese to me.
How do you ask (or brands) for acyclovir (pills and/or cream) in Shanghai.
Also related: I'm starting to have a bit of fungus in one of my toes and I also wanted to get something like canesten (Clotrimazol), againno idea how to do it over here :) (http://www.canesten.com/)
Thanks in advance for your help guys :)
Tech:
I went to a large, professional looking chain store pharmacy in GZ. I forget its name, but its "something" Er Tian. I know that some of the clerks speak English, but this was not my lucky day. However, when I wrote the word "Acyclovir" on a piece of paper, he went straight to the shelf and got it for me. I wouldn't try to ask for the brand name.
Getting the antibacterial douche was really difficult because I couldn't remember the chemical name or what the package looked like. I had brought my Chinese/English dictionary. So I looked up various words around the idea of vaginal infections and they finally got the idea. It wasn't easy though.
Fungus? I would use the same technique I just outlined.
Cronin
Heh eh fungus? Sorry, english is not my main language :P.
Is something called athletes foot?
He He, sorry about my english, whats this?
"antibacterial douche"
Hey, do you guys know of any new research in the area of herpes, etc? I don't know like cure for ever research / investigations happening right now.
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard [u]capitalization[/u] throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
Hi all, I thought this might be appropriate for this thread. :)
A crank with armor will never harm her
Before getting drastic, wrap it in plastic
Before getting laid, wrap up your spade
Before you attack her, wrap your whacker
Bodies shouldn't go slapping unless peter's got his wrapping
Cover your stump before you hump
Don't be a fool, vulcanize your tool
Dont be like Johnny, put on a connie
Don't be a loner, cover your boner
Don't make a mistake, cover your snake
Don't be silly, protect your willy
Especially in December, gift wrap your member
If you can't shield your rocket, leave it in your pocket
If you go into heat, package your meat
If you really love her, wear a cover
If you slip between her thighs, be sure to condomize
If you think she's spunky, cover your monkey
If you're gonna have it off, have it on
If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it
It will be sweeter if you wrap your peter
Never ever deck her with an unwrapped pecker
No glove, no love!
Sex is cleaner with a packaged wiener
She won't get sick if you wrap your dick
The right selection will protect your erection
When in doubt, shroud your spout
When you take off her pants and blouse, slip up your trouser mouse
While you're undressing Venus, dress up your penis
Wrap it in foil before checking her oil
You can't go wrong if you shield your dong
You could get a germ if you don't cover your worm
You might wind up dead if you don't shield your head
Hey Sainter,
Excellent. Everyline a winner. Good advice nicely delivered.
Regards, Havanaman
This is a picture similar to Cronin's. It shows a case of genital herpes.
Hi had a question .How risky is it to come in a gals mouth ? Lets say you are havin sex with a condom on and just before you come you take it off and the gal blows you to finish in her mouth or you come in her mouth by jacking off but still her tongue/lips touches your penis while cuming and after cuming .What is the risk factor here .Would appreciate a reply .
I'll tell you guys why safe sex is necessary. My mother who is 35 here in Australia got pregrant to a guy from the states just a few months ago. I am curious if in America soldiers get women pregnant often. This is due to my mother and one of her friends falling pregrant to a member of the American navy who was in Australia on a naval expedition or maybe you guys love Australian women
Hi Chaps,
I'm curious. On reading the last few pages here I'm hearing a lot about HIV, STDs etc and whether they can be contracted by bbbj etcetcetc.
Ok, we've got some chronicled cases here of herpes, clamydia etecetc, but never any actual stories of anyone, their buddies etc, all hetero, actually contracting HIV. I've read about one or two cases of people dying by natural causes or accident but no deaths by HIV.
So despite all this information we have here about what you should do or not do with condoms, potential risks we take etecetc, does in fact anyone contract or die from HIV in places like Pattaya.
I, for one, would like to know some hard facts and statistics. Has anyone got any for a place like Pattaya? Otherwise I find all this stuff very hard to believe. I don't see numbers of farang drastically dropping away from Pattaya for these very kinds of reasons, when they do for sars or suchlike. If people are going away and dying in their home countries, I've never heard or read a scrap of information about it over the years.
Now, I could very well be wrong, and may have missed a crucial reading here or somewhere. If so please direct me to the article with the hard facts.
Otherwise I find all this very hard to believe.
Has anyone got any personal experiences of buddies catching HIV at say, Pattaya? Or anything at all.
Otherwise I'm sure we should all be scared shitless and not coming here at all, or enjoying very limited sex: no soapies, no massages, no bbbjs, no DATY without barriers, no sex (it seems) even with condoms, almost nothing.
Now I also read lots of stories about guys with freelancers specializing in freelancers etecetc (who supposedly pose the biggest risk). Surely such large numbers of mongers wouldn't be doing it if there wasn't some kind of a scare. Now I would find it pretty hard to believe that these guys are foolhardy and irrational or whatever. But I never hear any bad stories on this or any other board.
So what is the truth?? (before I go rambling on.....)
Or is this board just full of a load of scaremongering?
Red Rex,
About the best place to answer your array of questions would be at a site run for students at Columbia University in New York. It's www.goaskalice.columbia.edu The site is run and supervised by the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons. They're non-judgemental and cover just about every sexual question known to humanity - it seems. Click on "Sexual Health" and you'll get a real sojourn through the field of human sexuality.
The respondents are real live MD's and the site is definitely worth your time. As far as getting AIDS from a BBBJ, they state that the odds are almost "non-existent." Hepres and other STD's are a definite threat, however.
Possibly stupid question here, but I really would appreciate some info. *Warning*: fairly graphic description follows.
During October and November 2003, I suffered (*boy* did I suffer) from epididymitis. The infection eventually cleared up after a 3-week course of antibiotics, the pain and swelling took a few weeks longer. During this time, I wore a jock pretty much 24/7. As my scrotum was very badly swollen, the skin rubbed on the jock, causing an edemic cyst to form. The cyst ruptured, but left a puckered scar as it healed. No, I won't attach a pic. :P
My question is this: Is a worker likely to look at this scar during the DC and freak out, thinking I'm still infected or otherwise being less than honest?
Scary Bald Guy,
Depends on the size / nature / specific location of the scar. If it is like the top of a burst spot (zit), then I guess your provider may not even see it. If its more “linear” like a cut, then it will be more visible assuming your sac is not too hairy. Also if the scar is front and forward there is greater chance it can be seen. A test might be to get an erection and look at yourself in a mirror...
A little lie here may do the trick for you: “I’ve had a vasectomy, this is the scar…”. No harm done. After all how many lies will the provider have told you? (Oh.. baby your so big, I love you / it… you really made me cum…) the list is endless!
Regards, Havanaman
Cronin,
It's been about three weeks since you posted the photo of the gal with the sores. I think we'd all appreciate an update on the girl's condition. Did the acyclovir work? Did she get checked out by a doctor and if so what was the diagnosis? How is she now?
Thanks in advance.
Civ2K
Scary Bald Guy,
Although I believe sexual health education for sex workers is absolutely, positively imperative...I've always found that the more educated you are about diseases, the more panicked you're likely to get when you find a suspicious lump or bump on a client!
If your scar is rounded and shiny and kind of concave in the middle, an observant sex worker MAY confuse it with molluscum. If you're really, really worried, then it may be an idea to get a short note from a doctor to say what it is (tell the doc your girlfriend was worried and wanted proof, or something!) and take it with you to future bookings.
But really I would just suggest that right before the DC, you tell the girl about the scar straight out. Show her where it is and tell her how you got it. Do it in a friendly manner and don't be worried about being a little embarrassed...it will only lend credibility to your story.
Honesty is always the best policy! :)
Hey guys,
Also carry those convienent little hand sanitizing gels with you. Remember these females are touching other guys genitals which could possible spread herpes or HPV (human papillomavirus - Genital warts). Have them clean their hands before touching your stuff.
I have not had a problem with them using it. They seem to like using the gel.
Those antibacterial handwipes are a good thing too!
HIV might be a little harder to get with bare back blow jobs, but other STDs are catchable that way.
Gonorrhea is catchable orally bare back since it can live in the both the linings of the back of the throat and in the vagina. So bareback oral sex isn't really all that safe when you take that into account.
More related info at:
http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/?article=stds&refid=015
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/gonorrhea.asp
I've been studying genital herpes through resources such as the internet over the past few days. I had symptoms a few days ago that I thought might be herpes. I went to my doctor and after examining me he said it was not likely herpes, but he prescribed Famvir just in case. He would not draw blood to be sure. He said it was most likely a bacterial infection. After all the studying I've done on herpes and other STD's, I believe I may have syphilis instead. I am going out to a clinic this week to get checked out. In researching herpes, I have serious questions as to the validity of the so-called expert analysis that has been done. Supposedly these are the generally accepted statistics here in the U.S.: Between 45 and 50 million people currently have genital herpes. Between 500,000 and 1 million new cases are assumed each year. Many cases are asymptomatic, and go undiagnosed. Here is the problem:It is alleged that there is a 1 in 20 chance of spreading HSV to others even without a current outbreak. Does this mean a 1 in 20 chance of a particular person spreading it, or a 1 in 20 chance that each time an infected person has sex with an uninfected person he or she would get it? Let's split the statistics, and say perhaps 47.5 million people have HSV, and there are 750,000 new cases each year. That would mean 1 in 63 people afflicted with HSV would spread it to someone else. Since most of the new cases are in their teens to mid 20's, it would be assumed that these are part of a demographic that would have the most sex partners per year. If the average person with HSV had sex about 80 times per year (I had to go low with that figure, in order to take into consideration those that may not have very active sex lives), that would mean that those with HSV would account for having sex 3.8 billion times. Those partners having sex who both have HSV, would account for 2 times having sex, each time they had sex with each other. Those 750,000 new cases would have combined (at 80x having sex per year) for 60 million sex acts with an infected person. Of course those new cases are more likely to have sex a lot more than 80 times per year, considering the age group that accounts for the majority of new cases. I have a serious problem believeing the accepted statistics of HSV in terms of the accepted number of cases and the claims that its highly contagious. It would seem that the chance of contracting it from someone without an outbreak would be anywhere between 5000 to 1, and 10,000 to 1. Not the 5% that is accepted as fact. Other countries have widely disputed the rates of infection that the U.S. has long accepted.
Baltimonger,
Interesting deductions. I would agree with much of your postulation.
However, I must add that with a USA population of 281421906 (year 2000 census: according to the USA Census Bureau) your statistic of 45 – 50 million people currently having genital herpes would represent between 15.9 – 17.7% of that population: too many IMHO. By the way people between say 18 – 24 years of age (9.6% of people) i.e. 27,016,503
I accept the ideas behind your calculations. I further agree with the notion that the USA 1:20 is wrong, and that 5000:1, and 10,000:1 are more realistic numbers.
Regards, Havanaman
Here are 2 resources for herpes information.
Center for Disease Control:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFactHerpes.htm
American Social Health Association:
http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/herpes.html
Today, March 9, there is a big article on the spread of AIDS in the Caribbean. Even though the article is aimed more at the rising problem in Dominican Republic, may this be another reminder to don't be silly, wrap your willy!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20040308-092628-5479r.htm
Hysteromania,
Without any shadow of a doubt you are right: play covered or worse things than it dropping off might happen.
I saw some recent posts and pics from guys extolling the virtues of bare-back intercourse / anal. If they have no self respect, then perhaps they might consider having a little more respect for the chicas and mongers that follow.
Its just not worth it.
Regarding the article: interesting.
I’m not sure I agree with Dr. Jean Pape’s figures: quote: “According to Dr. Jean Pape, a leading anti-AIDS crusader, his treatment centers succeeded in reducing infection rates from 6.2 percent in 1993 to 2.9 percent in the past year”. In my experience epidemiological statistics tend to be ill explained. This would seem to be the case with the data at hand in this article. We know that once you have HIV, its yours for life. “infection rate” is not defined: infection by what? HIV? If so, then his data points to patient numbers decreasing as they die, not as they get “better”. If by “infection rates” he means other (non HIV) infections (which most AIDS patients die from) then OK. His centres would seem to be offering a benefit to the patients, not to the HIV rate.
In any case I for one will not be going to Hispaniola the epicenter of the epidemic...
Regards, Havanaman
HavannaMan, The infection rates mentioned are the percentages of sexually active people who contract HIV infection in a given year. It has nothing to do with numbers decreasing as people die or the opportunistic infections people with AIDS get.
Chances are the treatment that has resulted in the lower numbers is better information., i.e., people using condoms, practicing safe sex, monogamy, etc.
For example in the gay bathhouses in San Francisco the infection rate used to be a whopping 35% or something like that. Although no cure was found, as soon as the word got out that there was a fatal STD killing people, the infection rate went way down. Why? Education and condom use.
Civ2K
Hi,
I've finally decided to try MPs this time. Shall be in Bangkok this weekend. Do I have a chance to get any disease becuase of this?
Can I get AIDS/STD if do the tub thing? I'll avoid penetrative sex anyway.
Please respond. No cynicism.
Thanks
Probability of Getting Herpes
(this was posed in the Tijuana, Mexico forum but I'm reposting here for the benefit of others).
A study done on 144 heterosexual couples where one had herpes and the other didn't (and took pains to avoid skin-to-skin contact with lesions) showed that 14 had got it after 1 year: a 10% annualized rate. If we consider that a couple fucts about once a week, then each individual sex session has a risk of (10%)/52 in a year, which is pretty low. However, if we use the 10%/year figure, then after 10 years 65% of couples will be infected with herpes. After 22 years, it's 90% probability of getting herpes. Therefore, an old-timer monger should expect to have a 90% probability of getting herpes if he's been at it once a week for 22 years (while catiously avoiding lesions) with someone he knows to have herpes. Another important factor is gender. Women are 3 times more likely to get it than men. If we knew what % of girls have herpes, then we can get the probabilities down to a more definite number. Note that the above stats is based on having sex with someone you know to have herpes.
Some factors that work in our favor is the relatively high turnover of bar girls.
Maybe the girls burn out from the work.
Anyhow, the fresh girls should be cleaner, which decreases the risk to much less than 10% a year. If 1/4 girls have herpes, then the annual risk is 10%/4= 2.5% (assuming safe sex and avoidance of lesions).
On the other hand, one might just as easily get herpes doing a girl you pick up in the US at the local mall/bar/school since it's so prevalent.
Suggestions for DATY: a thin layer
In general, you should not daty, bbbj, or anything unprotected with any of these girls. However, if you still plan to daty, then I would advise you to bring some saran wrap to cover the pussy. Have a good generous portion, about 8" X 6". I would only do protected daty on a club girl. She certainly will appreciate the protection because she's afraid when saliva and mouth (and perhaps some blood or bacterial/viral STDS?) is on her pussy. Think about all the other guys that have datyied her. Some use drugs. Others don't have good hygiene, i.e. gums may bleed. People who don't floss regularly will tend to have bleedy gums.
In the future, additionally, I plan to use an 8"x8" to cover my entire groin area. Simply rip a small hole in the 8"x8" and put your johnson in the middle of it. This will further decrease your risk from skin-skin contact.
The riskiest skin-skin contact is genital/genital, genital/oral, and oral/oral. If you minimize your skin-skin contact, you will minimize your risk for HPV, herpes, HIV (incurable viruses), and hopefully curable bacteria (if caught early).
Word of caution: saran wrap is not at strong as latex condoms, so may be subject to more breakage. Be easy on it with the tongue, and/or use a double layer of it. The nice thing about saran wrap is its transparency, unlike a dental dam.
Arthur
This was originally posted in the TJ section, but I'm reposting here for everybody's benefit.
Re: little vs big head
Pokey,
I respectfully seriously disagree with your line of thinking. Although I do believe in the pleasure principle to a certain extent, I believe the big head should overcome the little head.
DFK and DATY are very dangerous. Small cuts in the mouth you don't even notice are easy pathways to viral/bacterial infection. Mucous membranes in the nose and mouth are also easy sites of infection.
Herpes and warts can be aquired by simple skin-skin contact. All the virus needs is a live skin cell to land on. The virus will then use a sharp tail piece functioning as a syringe to inject its genetic material into the host cell and start multiplying exponentially: 1 to 100 to 10,000 to 1 million in the lytic cycle. The virus uses the host cell's DNA as the material to assemble its own phage particles. Fortunately, our outter skin surface is composed of dead skin cells, which act as a good barrier because virus cannot use dead skin cells to multiply.
Herpes tends to be fast acting, showing symptoms in 2-10 days, whereas HPV/warts takes weeks and as long as 8 months to show symptoms.
Treat this as a dangerous hobby, such as mountain climbing. Be prepared and be safe.
Arthur
KingArthurad,
In the TJ section you say that DATY and DFK are dangerous. How much danger can you get into with DFK? You have me concerned now, I have a daughter in her teen years, do I tell her the dangers of french kissing, along with STD's and teen pregnancy.
I have a son also, do I tell him when he goes off with his date, to not forget the saran wrap if you want to engage in DFK?
KingArthurad, While I agree with your suggestions for avoiding STD's completely, I feel that licking a piece of saran wrap is just not the same as DATY. I'm a guy who simply loves eating pussy. I don't do it because the gal enjoys it, I do it because I enjoy it. The taste, the smell, the texture, everything about it. It is rare these days that I will do it with a pro but when I start having to wrap it in plastic is the day I give it up for good. Some good advice I heard from a hooker I was asking to let me DATY: she said no and then she said the ones that will let you DATY are the very ones you want to avoid. I read recently on another thread (I forget which one) that the ones you want to avoid are the ones that offer bbbj and bbfs or allow you to daty, because they are doing these acts with everyone; probably already have numerous diseases and simply don't care if they pass something on to you; and are generally a ticking time bomb.
As far as the 8 x 8 plastic over your groin area: are you going to tape the corners up so it doesn't fall off. It reminds me of those old movies showing the Catholics on their wedding night. They would put a sheet over the entire body of the bride and cut a hole just big enough to expose the vagina. This might work as well. However, when it comes to this I will just give up picking up hookers.
Lastly, a very significant percentage of the population carries the herpes virus and shows no symptoms but can pass on the disease. You really can't even be safe with the girl next door. As far as DFK, I wouldn't worry about it.
Civ2000
Quote: "Some factors that work in our favor is the relatively high turnover of bar girls.
Maybe the girls burn out from the work.
Anyhow, the fresh girls should be cleaner, which decreases the risk to much less than 10% a year. If 1/4 girls have herpes, then the annual risk is 10%/4= 2.5% (assuming safe sex and avoidance of lesions)."
In the general population the rate of herpes infection is greater than 1 in 4. In Tijuana bar girls I wouldn't be surprised if the rate is 80% or better; even amongst the fresh ones.
Civ2000
The bottom line, statistically speaking, is that the older you (or providers) are, the more likely it is you've got herpes. Since it's incurable, and since exposure increases over time for anyone who's sexually active with multiple partners, this makes sense.
But somehow the concept that I'm going to be with a bar girl who's only had sex with a thousand guys as opposed to the one who just left who'd done it with six thousand or so isn't exactly comforting in terms of feeling like I'm less exposed. In addition, in the cited study we're talking about couples who both knew infection was a risk and took pains to prevent it. I can't say the same scenario is necessarily there with bar girls.
I also must say that the calculated stats that KingArthurad gives in terms of exposure are pretty much meaningless, IMHO. In the study cited we're talking about monogamous couples, which means they've all got a fairly standard pattern of sexual behavior, which can include, for example, using a condom well or badly. To compare that to someone who has many different partners adds a great deal of uncertainty into the equation. I note this because, for example, there are other studies which have shown that despite the fact that condoms are basically completely effective at stopping sperm, 3 to 14 women out of 100 who use condoms for pregnancy prevention end up getting pregnant. This is not generally due to breakage, but inconsistent or incorrect usage. It's highly likely that the infection numbers in the herpes study result from similar issues, so I'm not at all sanguine about how much such a study can really be extrapolated for a monger's purposes.
I say this to note that our best bet is truly learning how to properly manage the protections we use, as they won't help us if we screw them up!
I guess I'm one of the lucky few because I don't have herpes, and I have been at this hobby for at least 20 years. I usually always ask for a BBJ, and get that most of the time. I use a condom 93% of the time engaging in sex. In my younger days it was about 50%. DATY and DFK are recent sexual experiences I do, last 5 years or so.
I don't ever have sex with a girl who has been with a guy 6 thousand times, and I hope I haven't been with someone who has been with 1000 guys, but I don't think the girl or I keep count.
KingArthurad and I do different bar girls. He goes to AB in Tijuana, where they have plenty of girls, rated 6-9 that most of the tourist in the know from the U.S. go, and Mexicans with money. You walk up to the girl, say hi, and she asked if you want to go upstairs. You don't even have to buy a drink. Some of these hot girls, go up 8-10 times a night, most rated 6-8 go up at least twice a night.
I go to the bars where the locals go, where only spanish is usually spoken, and the girls main job is dancing with the locals for $1, most of these girls have been in the city for less then two weeks, or two months. They are rated 4-8, mostly regular young girls, who don't always go upstairs. If they go upstairs its only maybe 1 time all day.( the rated 8's go up a lot because the word is speading.) The girls I choose usually treat me like they do to their boyfriend back home, the sex is good and fun.
They usually get depressed from being away from home, and not making big money, that most of the girls go back home.( I just wait for the next bus arrival with young 18-20 year olds.)
Does anyone know where I can get STD testing for free or for low cost in Los Angeles or Long Beach?
CONDOM THAT IS AS GOOD AS BAREBACK FUCK.
This is revolutionary! It changes everything.
PUNTHERS ,
I have been searching for the best condom in the market for years. I've bought those sampler packs for ages. All the time looking for the perfect one. kimono, extra thin, and some other exotic ones.
I have used them all, the best condom is not one at all. But in the real world we have to protect our little missile from harm.
I have tried many different brands over the years. Doing some testing.
I can not contain my enthusiasm for a new condom that just came out.
It is the brand "Maximum" from Durex.
This condom is fucking awesome!. It is one that is extra thin with extra lubricant. The novelty of this condom is that you can feel the warmth of the pussy , or the girl's warmth mouth when blowing you. I swear to you, I thought the condom had come off during fucking. The girl even told me she felt the pressure of the hot cum spurt when I came. She promptly touched with her hand to make sure the condom was still on. Moreover , during the BJ, I swear to you I felt as good as a bbbj (the girl is quite good though) maybe 95% as good as bareback without any worries.
Anyhow, this is the first review I give to a condom. I hope you try it as reducing the risk of STD's , reduces the cost of the hobby for all (less doctor's appointments, or treatment for those that get something). Less cost for the providers, better prices for us Punthers.
This is a public service announcement to enjoy sex more, and reduce risk (cost) to everyone.
Reposted from Philadelphia AMP Section for everyone's benefit:
Regarding the Big "H":
Jim Neighbors, Itiner Han is totally right. Once you get the H, you're in it for life. There is no cure yet (there has been some lukewarm success in europe with superoxide treatment but that is still far from approved yet). Like HIV, there is no pill to take that will keep HSV away.
Anyway, here's the lowdown on HSV.
HSV1 is the virus that *usually* causes the cold sores and HSV2 is the one that *usually* causes genital herpes, although I think because of the increase in the practice of oro-genital sex, specially during the last couple of decades, I have seen both these types frequently in both places (oral and genital).
You can contract HSv 1 or 2 by coming in contact with the liquid from inside a Herpes sore, either oral or genital. Therefore, if you avoid any contact with the sore, you should be safe. This, however, is actually harder than you'd think cause sometimes sores are not visible and the infected partner might not tell you that they have an active sore. So really it boils down to two options... either have a truthful partner that tells you when they are having an outbreak, or avoid having oral/genital contact, period.
This holds true even for covered FS; its simply not possible to cover the whole genital area just to be sure; you can put on a condom but the area around would still not be covered. BBBJs or covered BJs are a *little less* risky (although still not totally "safe") since you can atleast look for the sores. You could also technically try this approach at the Y if the lady is shaved. I had a GF for 2+ years who had HSV2 (and told me about it at the start) and I managed to not get HSV by using the same techniques above.
The only real way to "protect" yourself from getting infected if having sex with an infected partner is to have them take valacyclovir (Valtrex) for about a week to suppress any outbreaks. Good luck trying this approach on an AMP chick!
As to anyone who has contracted Herpes, please be considerate and avoid sex until the sores are gone. Also PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make sure that your significant other, if pregnant, is protected. This is a bloody mean thing to give to your newborn.
Education, as always, is the best prevention. I suggest spending some time on the following links from WebMD for all.
HSV Info...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/52/49875?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_07
Info on all STDs...
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/10/2953_511?z=1814_00000_0014_f1_06
Good luck all and be safe!
Dr. Evil
hi,
i may be an idiot, but want to get pissed on my body by a prostitute. i am keen to drink her [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] while she is pissing to my mouth. this may be a bad idea from safety point of view. my qestion is how idiot i am considering the risk of contracting to a std through [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] of an infected pros.
i have never done this before and looking forward a good advise.
my e-mail address is: [blue][email address deleted by admin][/blue]
[size=-2][u]editor's note[/u]: [blue]posting of this report was delayed pending [u]removal of email addresses in the text[/u]. to avoid delays in future reports, please do not post email addresses in the forum. instead, please invite other forum members to contact you directly via the forum's private messaging system. [i]thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
my kind,
the risk is higher.
if the infection is active then the chance of you getting some virus, or viral material through the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] is always going to be there. many toxins / biochemical tests rely on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] as the source substance. this goes for many std test. consider some of the symptoms of many of the std’s: there may be a discharge which invariably will pass with the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] if an infection exists.
although initially sterial, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] is contaminated on its way out and when it is out of the body. i would not taste, have in my mouth or indeed drink the stuff if i were you.
regards,
havanaman
Thanks Havanaman,
I may be taking too much risk because of a silly desire.
Thanks again for the advise.
My Kind
Hi everybody,
I just got something strange in fact, a mycosis called "Candida Albicans". To cure this stuff, I would need an antifungal like Diflucan or something like that. The best would be to take one orally and the other with a cream. I am living in China, I have no idea about what kind of thing i can find here. But I can go to HK if I need, as I am living in Shenzhen.
Please, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks to all. Play safe.
Antoine
Faguotonio,
There is nothing strange about what you have. It is just a yeast infection. most women get them more than once in their life, and although it is less common in men, it really isn't a big deal. Since it is so common, it shouldn't be hard to find the cream you need. I imagine that even in China, they have medicine for yeast infections.
Faguotonio,
Like Bradman says its not anything unusual, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. However don’t ignore it, get the treatment form where ever you can: go online if you need to. The last thing you want to do it spread it…
Best wishes.
Regards,
Havanaman
I was asked to cross post this here:
A fellow forum-ee had asked how to find a FullText for the article:
ABSTRACT: A common bar soap and tap water solution was able to demonstrate a 30-fold human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) inactivation", (Virucidal Efficacy of Soap and Water against HIV in Genital Secretions, Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, Oct 2003, p. 3321-3322, Vol. 47, No. 10)
Any my reply was...
The article that Cube was looking for --
The abstract:
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/47/10/3321
The article (PDF):
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/47/10/3321
The article (HTML):
http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/full/47/10/3321
To hit the highlights, the UnclePiercedAbstract (tm) says... The Ivory soap and water treatment seemed to show a 30 fold "inactivation" of the HIV virus. In fact, they used a weaker soap solution (1/1000) and a stronger soap solution (1/200) and the stronger one did noticably better.
For those of you wishing to show people up in the forum in the future, you can find an article to support damn near anything. Try searching Medline.
Medline:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/
I will cross post this in the AIDS forum.
Pierced
Member 1050,
Where did you buy Durec "Maximum", I have tried chemist today and durex web site but to no avail!
Pilok,
You can go to this web site and check it out http://www.ripnroll.com/DurexMaximum.htm . It costs $23.95 for 36 condoms. Also, Ebay has some really cheap prices for quality Durex condoms.
Pilok,
Do search in google for "durex maximum" , you will get many hits. I bought them at Rite-aid store. You can buy them on the web too.
This is from drugstore, I think they are reputable.
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp77266_333181_sespider/durex/maximum_lubricated_latex_condoms.htm
Keep costs low for everyone, use protection.
Gentlemen,
I remember when safe sex was a padded headboard.
“Those were the days my friend, we thought they’d never end…” {how wrong we were..} LOL.
Regards, Havanaman
I am curious to know which countries you think have the lowest STD rates. I have done a little research but it hasn't really been conclusive.
Inteller,
I for one have never looked into the subject at a serious level. However I can tell you that a number of my medical friends have commented on the increasing number of young females at G.U.M in France. I guess this may be pan-European, but I have no evidence of that.
If I had to make a selection, I would guess, and it is a total guess, that countries who frown on premarital sex would have low STD rates. So countries of the Arab gulf come to mind.
If you have looked into this please share your research: it will be much appreciated and useful to the whole forum.
Regards, Havanaman
There's a little work that's been done on this, but it's far from comprehensive as much as I can tell. No one is really collecting this data, it seems.
The WHO did a report a couple of years ago that broke things down by region, but that's the best thing I've ever been able to find. The most relevant numbers seem to be the estimated incidence and annual incidence of curable STDs by region, which basically includes only syphilis, gonorrhoea, chlamydia and trichomoniasis. Please note that the report does a lot of hemming and hawing about the unreliability of some of the data, so estimated incidence is just that.
That said, here's the breakdown:
North America -- 3 cases per 1000 people
Western Europe -- 4 cases per 1000 people
North Africa & Middle East -- 3.5 cases per 1000 people
Eastern Europe and Central Asia -- 6 cases per 1000 people
Sub Saharan Africa -- 32 cases per 1000 people
South and Southeast Asia -- 48 cases per 1000 people
East Asia and Pacific -- 6 cases per 1000 people
Australia and New Zealand -- 0.3 cases per 1000 people
Latin America & Caribbean -- 18.5 cases per 1000 people
I did find this comment in the report interesting: "In general, the prevalence of STIs tends to be higher in urban residents, in unmarried individuals, and in young adults. STIs tend to occur at a younger age in females than in males, which may be explained by differences in patterns of sexual activity and in the relative rates of transmission from one sex to the other. "
So to answer inteller's question, evidence indicates the safest places to monger in terms of STDs would be Oz and New Zealand.
Joe Zop,
Interesting figures. I appreciate that they are estimates but they do give food for thought. Will you please share the URL, I’m keen to learn more.
I’m very surprised about the figures for North America, Western Europe and North Africa & Middle East. I would have expected higher…
Regards, Havanaman
The figures are from a report called "Global Prevalence and Incidence of Selected Curable Sexually Transmitted Infections" which the WHO put out in 1999. I've been unable to find anything as comprehensive that's newer. I'd expect figures that included herpes and HIV would be rather higher.
The whole thing can be seen at [url] http://www.who.int/docstore/hiv/GRSTI/002.htm[/url].
One interesting thing I did come across during my searching for this stuff is a report (which I've yet to find the source) that claims that condom use results in a 50% reduction in the transmission of herpes. That's nice to know, even if it's still a worry.
A bit late maybe but for yeast infections (thrush) use Canastine anti fungal or thrush cream. It will be gone in a few days and its not uncomon even in (or more accuratly on) guys. I must get it 2 or 3 times a year!
http://www.census.gov/ipc/aidsdb/
Here is somewhere for you to begin. It gives HIV etc rates for hokers in a number of places like Vietnam: plenty of dark clouds. I guess this is a high risk game we play: something like eating pizzas out of a gutter.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9710/15/herpes.increase/
This one seems to say there is lots of genital herpes in the good ol USA. It would be nice if we could know how many members here have a little extra.
BORED IN LB.
Go to plannedparenthood.com and look for the toll free number.
make an apointment to the clinic nearest to you, but be advised, you might have to wait a long time inside the clinic before seing the doctor.
I have a question for the esteemed members. Is it safe to have sex with lady who has tuberculosis. What are the risks of sexual contact, mouth to mouth contact.
Any precaustions to be taken. This lady is on treatment and is getting better but just want to be sure.
Appreciate any info.
Best regards
BD
Bangalore Dud,
Tuberculosis (TB) is dangerous. There are a number of issues here and sadly no simple answer for you.
If you are in the west and your friend was diagnosed and is being treated here then all her contacts will have been recorded for follow-through prophylactic treatment. So if you are one of those people you will be safe (not 100%, but safe enough). If she is a SW and you are mongering then I would say play it safe and either wait for the complete all-clear or move on to another provider.
You say she is getting better: mycobacterium tuberculosis is a hardy creature and difficult to eradicate. When th patient is still has infectious TB – the potential for transmitting the disease on to other people is high. Thus the treatments are aggressive, isolationist and very through. As an example, if I remember my history in the early 19 century about 30% of the European population was wiped out by TB…
Play safe, and depending on your circumstances speak to her / her clinicians.
Regards, Havanaman
Well, Jackson suggested that I re-post this in this "speciality" column. The original posting was put up in the Malaysian thread.
The text was reproduced ad verbatim: Quote:
So far, experts from the West had not found a high concentration of the HIV [virus that may cause AIDS, not necessary MUST cause AIDS, some are still living with HIV virus infection for more than 15 years] in the human saliva. A certain high concentration is needed to effect infection. Blood and semen have the highest concentration, next in line are the viginal discharge [lady's love juice, careful those who like DATY] and mother's milk!!
They believe that HIV infection will occur if the WL is bleeding from her gums and your didi is having some minute cracks or slits or wounds to receive them as the virus can penetrate those soft and raw linings [lymphatic membranes]at the didi shaft. Having STD's on that region can promote infection! Furthermore, the other way of infection from Male to Female is higher in chances, due to the discharge of HIV-infected semen fluid prior to full ejaculation, so if they suck in those during BBBJ, hmmm, the results could be disastrous for her!
That is the reason why a lot of Thai WL will insist on BJ with the rain coat on! No shiok for us, but safe for them!
Any comments from fellow brothers?
End of quote.
Ookami,
I agree with all your comments.
BBBJ or CBJ that is the question!
Personal choice, but play safe.
Regards, Havanaman
Gentlemen,
Here is a copy of a post by Mujerero in the Costa Rica forum, which I felt was quite important and worth finding out more about. It is more appropriate here. Attached is also the pic from his post. Any information?
[quote] Due to recent action by the FDA (USA) to approve the use of this Ora-Quick Oral/Saliva test for HIV antibodies, I am wondering if this is sold in Costa Rican pharmacies. This picture is from an unknown source, maybe even this forum, If anyone is aware of this being available it would probably be of interest to a lot of us to know too. (I would definitely like to know). Mujerero[/quote]
Regards, Havanaman
Havanaman, there's actually some info about Ora-Quick in this thread back, if I remember correctly, about a year or so ago.
Joe Zop,
Yes, thanks, I found the posts.
Regards, Havanaman
A newbie question,
Anyone know of any recommended clinics in Southern California that gives decent tests at feasible prices? I'm curious because since I've relocated to Los Angeles two years ago, I've been enjoying the AMP scene. However, since Dec '03, I've been tearing up the SW scene with pretty much dirty, nasty hoes with the occasional clean, nice SW gem. Sapman provided one such service in the San Fernando Valley for $200, all-inclusive, AIDS, herpes, hepatitus, HPV, clam, crabs, and other assorted sealife. I used to donate blood in the Chicagoland area every 3 months and they always gave me a clean bill of health and a sticker saying, "Smile at me. I gave blood!" I'm just looking for a cheaper alternative closer to like the Long Beach area.
Peace
Folks,
I'm travelling to Thailand in a few weeks, and will surely be tempted to try out the local SWs. This will be my first such experience (I'm generally a relationship oriented guy, but this is just too tempting to pass up). So my amateurish safety questions are:
- How safe is protected sex w/ SW?
- How dangerous is BBJ?
- How dangerous is french kissing?
- and how dangerous is DATY?
From what I've been able to gather, Thai girls are really big on taking showers before and after each encounter.. does that reduce the risk of anything?
Thanks in advance!
BG ROT
Read this section thouroughly BG, I don't do p4p, but after reading this I never will, protected sex is still risky, you can get genetal herpes from skin contact alone (that right guys?), incurable. Slightest cuts that tranfer body fluids make DATY and even french kissing risky
All I can say is thank god my girl's a model and keeps me satisfied!!! All those risks are seriously scary, that pic of someone with genetal herpes somewhere in this section was a real eye opener! Good luck though BG!
I think this should interest us all
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=751&e=1&u=/nm/20040722/hl_nm/health_sex_dc
Can anyone share expirience of using condoms for a tongue that usually used for DATY?
Buzz04,
Thanks for that link man.
The article by Patricia Reaneyis an eye opener indeed.
However I would say that a little common sense, using condoms and not giving a P4P provider DATY will greatly reduce ones risks.
In the end however there is no 100% guarantee or indeed safety, well except if one never has sex again…
Regards, Havanaman
Klitchkov,
There was some reference to shields for DATY a few posts ago. I must tell you however that it is like taking a plastic bag and spending your time licking that! I tried it just once and it was so of putting I quite…
If you want to know what I mean, just get some cling-film and wrap it over your had and start licking. It really is one major turn off. Just my opinion and off course other peoples will vary.
Regards, Havanaman
klitchkov, i'm with havannaman on this one. what possible enjoyment can you get by engaging in daty with a condom on your tongue?
that being said, if she's clean, freshly showered, and you're able to inspect the clam for any signs of infection or disease -- then go for it. i've daty'ed literally hundreds of working girls without incidence. it's just something i really enjoy so i'm willing to take the risk.
despite the horrific pictures of herpes posted here, for most people it is a very minor inconvenience. with insurance a three month supply of acyclovir is about $10, and for most people keeps symptoms at bay permanently. i'd rather have a herpes outbreak than a cold anyday. for most, a little sore that lasts about two days, then scabs over and is completely gone in a week, that even without treatment often only shows up once or twice a year.
to me giving up daty because i might catch herpes, would be like someone giving up their favorite sport because they might scrape their knee. actually the scrape on the knee would be more painful and take longer to heal. civ2000
Protected sex sucks, but I suppose it is the only way to go.
Some time ago the following idea crossed my mind: porn stars have unprotected sex because they are tested regularly and have to present the results of tests before they ‘act’ in the films. Right, in that case I could also travel, for instance, to Thailand, spend a week there in search of the girl of my dreams, find her, go to a clinic and test her for all major STD’s, like the professionals porn stars do, and then spend the following week having wild and fully enjoyable unprotected sex with her.
In theory it would work and I’d be safe, or to be more precise, I’d be as safe as a professional porn star.
But if you think of it carefully it’d be OK only with STD’s for which there are accurate tests available (e.g. HIV, Hepatitis B, etc) , but what about the rest? What about genital herpes? As far as I know there is no reliable test available for genital herpes. I can’t believe that the porn super stars who have had unprotected vaginal, anal and oral sex with literally thousands of women (most of whom, in turn, had sex before with endless men) have done so without contracting herpes, but if the screening they use doesn’t cover herpes how the fuck do they manage not to get it?
I see only 2 possible options:
1. Herpes is most probably widespread within the adult entertainment industry, but porn actors/actresses don’t give a shit for it.
2. There is a reliable test for herpes, which I am not aware of.
I’d appreciate if anyone has any useful feedback on this matter.
Gladiator, The answer is option #2: there is a test for herpes. Also, herpes is probably so widespread in the adult industry they probably don't worry much about it. I give 10 to 1 odds that Ron Jeremy has it but that it didn't keep him out of any films.
The only problem I see with your scenario is that some diseases and viruses take a month or more to show a positive result on tests but can be contagious during the same time frame. Also for herpes there are quite a few false negative test results.
To be safe it's best to keep it wrapped. Civ
Civ2000,
Thanks for your reply.
I know that there are some tests for herpes available but the problem is, as you point out, that they are not accurate, that is why I was asking if anyone knew of the existence of any really reliable test.
The current herpes tests are so inaccurate that they are not much different from having no test at all.
I suppose I'll have to keep using protection.
Returned from a week in Rio last week. Was home 2 days when I started to experience burning during urination and then came yellow gunk in the jockeys. Waited just one day to head for the emergency room. The doc said he was treating me for gonorea and clamydia. A shot and 4 pills. But don't have test results yet on which it is.
Straight sex during 8 sessions was protected, otherwise bbbj is common in Rio.
The CDC says both infections can be had from oral sex although probability is lower than with intercourse.
Hello Everyone. I am a frequent poster on the ohio boards, and now i have a number of questions to ask you. Obviously, if I am here, I am probably freaking out about a situation. One week ago, I went on a bender, and picked up 5 sw's in about 5 hours. 3 were ok (clean), one questionable, and one, in hindsight, was ill. I have confirmed this since by a few of my buddies that she has HIV, which scares the hell out of me. The only thing we did was she gave me bbbj- and only for a few minutes. I may have penetrated a finger, but that is all. Am I at risk of catching anything? I am married, and I cannot have unprotected sex with my wife, and I dont know how I will get her to use condoms without her knowing something. Also, I will need to get tested. Any recommendations on how to go about this? Thanks for your help- the best way to reach me is to PM me.
Boatman, I'm going to post here so others can be part of the discussion.
First, go see your family physician immediately and get tested. There's no sense in sitting around and worrying like mad. If you're doing P4P and having unprotected sex with your wife it's something you should be doing regularly regardless of whether or not you're in a state of freaking out.
Next, your odds of getting an HIV infection from a few minutes of BBBJ are basically infinitesmal. It's a worry only if she had bleeding in her mouth and you had some sort of cut or open wound on your cock. There are obviously other things you could have gotten -- herpes, hepatitis A, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc.
Third, and perhaps most to the point: how do you "know" that the 3 providers you describe were clean (not to mention the "maybe")? Whether your partner does or doesn't have an STD is not exactly something someone can always be sure of by sight -- the list of nasties they could have and not show is quite long. That attitude is one that's asking for trouble -- you should assume that all of your partners are a potential source of infection and act accordingly (other than your wife, unless you suspect she's doing the same as you.)
But you're just asking for divorce (or worse) if you're going around unprotected with prostitutes and then boinking your wife, as there's no easy explanation if you pass something along to her.
Boatman,
I agree with Joe go to your local health clinic, but bear in mind, it takes at least 3 months for HIV to show up.
In the mean time excuse wise to get out of sex with the wife, a good one might be that you go cut at the barbers and the barber had cut someone earlier?
Hmm, if you can come with better kudos, but don't risk her health
Good luck to you!
Tenchi,
The CDC says that on average HIV antibodies show up at 25 days. Yes, 97 percent show up within 3 months. But saying it takes at least three months can mislead people that should test sooner.
Boatman, Gentlemen,
In agreement with Turf Builder testing early is the wise thing to do, but continuity of the test is equally important. That is to say have at least 4 primary tests spaced by 25 days. This is will exclude any false positives, which for a true negative, is a real head fuck.
As to excuses: “Honey I had to see doc today, got my Johnson trapped in my fly and the cut won’t stop bleeding….” When doing this you need to have a small plaster (band-aid) on Mr. Johnson in case you are asked for a look-see. Obviously you are not going to remove the plaster (band-aid) for fear of bleeding.
Regards, Havanaman
Boatman, et. al.,
I am in NYC and DOH here offers rapid testing for HIV. The results are available within 20-30 minutes. The rapid test is still relatively new. In NYC if the rapid test comes back positive, they repeat testing with the more established ELISA test to confirm the results.
I am not sure whether the Health Department/DOH in your area offers the same. This does not eliminate the need for additional testing over the next month or so (due to the incubation period for HIV) as other posters suggested, but at least you'll have your results quickly. The HIV counselor should explain all of this before you have your test. I am not sure if it is the same in your city, but you can be tested anonymously (receive only a code number) so your identity is not revealed.
I am not sure about the length of time for tests for other STDs (syphillis, Gonorrhea, etc.) but a search on your city's Health Department website or call to their information number should provide the answers.
Good Luck.
Hello everyone,
I want just to say what I have done to try prevent any infection and want to know what you think if it might work.
I have been for few days in Bkk and slept with many ladies and always protected sex but to be safer what I used to do is wipe mine in front of them and ask ladies to wipe themselves genital's area with wiper which were soaked in pure alchol (I did also just before performing oral sex and receiving it). I presume pure alchool kills all the bacteria and germs which cause infection.
I have to say the ladies looked me strangely at first but after saying them that it is for both interest they liked it and were happy to do that.
Once during intercourse with a lady a condom broke and I realised when i took my dick out, I rushed to the bathroom and poured a bottle of alchool on my cock and all around, it burnt a little bit and I hope it has worked. I am going for testing as soon as possible. I have asked the ladie if she always does procteted sex and she said yes, but you never know.
I know it will not be 100% sure to catch infection but it might help. Please let me know what you think.
All the best and always protect yourself.
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to [u]capitalize the word "I"[/u]. To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
Pistola,
I like the idea of the alcohol, however it becomes difficult carrying it around unless you are keeping it in the bathroom. I always have the large alcohol medi-wipes with me and do exactly what you have said. However if you are in your rooms, why not go for a shower first? Alcohol can also leave your skin dry and thus actually more prone to infection due to the strong possibility that the skin can start to crack as a result of not having enough moisture.
About the alcohol burning you a little: alcohol should not burn at all unless there is a cut, abrasion or very thin skin. As the penis has a layer of oil on it, and you felt a burn, it implies to me that you might have had a cut or abrasion. This is more common that we might think in men. It only takes a simple fast movement of clothing or even a sharp finger nail to make a cut on the penis without our knowing.
Being checked is the best answer here for your self, your partners and other mongers. Chances are that you are safe, but you are wise to get tested.
Best wishes. Havanaman
You guys doing DATY and BBJ are idiots! These are fvcking wh*res who fvck and suck for a living. It's safer for you to lick the assholes of every dog that you see than to DATY 1 wh*re. Let's keep this hobby safe for everyone, please.
FYI, anyone interested in reading an excellent article on AIDS and heterosexual men, here is a link to a reprint from Details Magazine, March 2004.
It is a very well written article with a lot of information and details about your risks of contracting AIDS. As well, for those of you who enjoy DATY on pros, it also touches on the risk of oral sex.
Basically it summarizes the fact that it is very difficult for men to contract aids from heterosexual sex, even without a condom. However, you should absolutely still use a condom.
Whatever Happened to AIDS and Straight Men?
By Kevin Gray
http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/risk_realities/whatever_happened.html
A while back, GLADIATOR (who also just wrote some fine reports from the DR) asked about Herpes testing. My understanding is that the only legitimate test is to have a doctor or medical clinic cotton swab a currently active herpes lesion or sore and to send the swab in for testing. It's the blood tests that are very expensive and unreliable. The cotton swab test is very reliable. However, you must have a current herpes outbreak to confirm the diagnosis this way!
Genital Herpes is troublesome for the active monger for the following reasons:
1. You can't protect your scotal, testicular area with a condom. And it is common for men to contract it in this area.
2. You can become infected even when there are no lesions or sores visably present on your sexual partner. This is called "viral shedding" and means that the virus is present even though the sores aren't. So much for the rushed visual inspection in a dimly light $10 hotel room.
3. You can have it and not know it. Sometimes the symptoms are very mild, like a slight itching, or a few small "bumps", or something that looks more like a small "abrasion" than a big time bloody sore. According to the CDC, very often first time symptoms like these are simply overlooked.
4. Also according to the CDC, 17% of the population over age 15 have it! And in the African-American population the number is 45%. Scary! Although I have no idea of how they arrive at these percentages, it's starting to sound like it's almost impossible for the active monger to avoid getting genital herpes!
5. You can become infected by HSV I (the herpes from a cold sore on the mouth) on your genital area (penis/scotal and groin area) from the SALIVA of an infected person. Listen up, all you guys who enjoy your BBBJ and ball-licking. Whether it comes from the small "cold sore" on her mouth or the pussy, it's still gonna be herpes!
6. Finally, once you get it, you got it. No cure. Just a lifetime of intermittent outbreaks that are discomforting, if not painful, and which put ALL YOUR FUTURE PARTNERS at risk. For the rest of your life.
On the positive side of all this----IF YOU WASH THOROUGHLY RIGHT AFTER THE ACT WITH SOAP AND HOT WATER, YOU REDUCE THE CHANCES OF TRANSMISSION OF THE HERPES VIRUS. NOT ELIMINATE COMPLETELY, BUT SOMEWHAT REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING INFECTED.
OK, that's my rant on genital herpes. I had a scare recently, which turned out to be a case of fungus (jock rot), but it made the fear of this STD quite real and I did a lot of research and reading. Hope it's helpful.
2128
I planned a trip to Singapore where the girl gives good body wash before action begins. The body wash is for both and it is obligatory if you take a girl from brothels in certain areas (Geylang) for example.
My question is how risky to be in contact with the girls body after a good body wash for her. I am not particular about intercourse. Hugging and kissing is my favourite. Can anybody give some idea.
for all my wsg forum friend.
take care on oral sex. this message is from a reliable source.
thank you.
how to perform safer oral sex
risks for hiv: there is some risk involved in having unprotected oral sex with a man or a woman. it is not as risky as unprotected anal or vaginal sex, but it is still possible to get hiv this way. there have been a few documented cases where hiv has been transmitted this way. hiv is found in blood, semen (cum), vaginal fluids, and breast milk. the virus can transmitted through cuts, openings, sores, and mucous membranes (mouth, anus, vagina) on your body.
to avoid risks during oral sex it is important to:
keep semen and vaginal fluids out of your mouth.
make sure that your mouth is healthy and that you don't have bleeding gums, cuts, or mouth sores, because the presence of blood will increase your risk.
oral sex on a woman
in order to keep vaginal fluids out of your mouth:
purchase a dental dam from peer health, or ...
use a a piece of plastic wrap (saran wrap) as a barrier between the mouth and the vagina, or..
cut an unlubricated condom into a latex square (see left)
oral sex on a man
in order to keep cum out of your mouth:
use an unlubricated, non-spermicidal condom
flavored condoms are available at peer health
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apologies if this subject was already discussed on this folder. I would like to know if it is possible to get Hepatitis (especially Hepatitis C) from a kiss.
Thanks in advance, Viator
To add to Arivans post:
I was just discussing safe DATY in another section and was also informed about these same oral risks directly from an HIV clinic where I was once got tested.
To add: Not only do they recommend serran wrap as an alternative to dental dam, but they emphisized it should be the non pourus, NON-microwavable kind for adequite protection. (The other kind the virus could seep through just like steam is meant to do in the microwave).
I was resistant to the idea at first but it really wasnt a big deal once I tried try it. Had just as much fun and it was well worth my piece of mind.
Be Safe all
J Burb
HIV now a bigger threat to women than men
UN calls for social change as infections soar among females
Sarah Boseley, health editor
Wednesday November 24, 2004
The Guardian
The Aids pandemic rampaging around the globe will not be stopped without radical social change to improve the lot of women and girls, who now look likely to die in greater numbers than men, United Nations agencies said yesterday.
Infections among women are soaring, from sub-Saharan Africa to Asia to Russia. What began as a series of epidemics among men - in some regions gay and bisexual men, in others men who frequented sex workers or male drug users - has spread to their female partners who are biologically more easily infected.
In many countries, women's subordinate status, and their lack of education and economic power have made it impossible for them to negotiate sex with men or to ask for the use of condoms. Yesterday the UN agency set up to combat the pandemic, UNAids, called for all that to change in the interests of checking the spread of a disease which killed 3.1 million adults and children last year.
"We will not be able to stop this epidemic unless we put women at the heart of the response to Aids," said UNAids' executive director, Peter Piot.
At the launch of the UNAids annual report on the pandemic yesterday, actor Emma Thompson, who is a founder member of the Global Coalition on Women and Aids launched this year, put it in starker fashion. "There are some countries where women are an endangered species - they will disappear from the face of the earth," she said. "I think this is the greatest catastrophe that the human race has ever faced."
Across the globe, 39.4 million people, including 2.2 million children, are carrying the HIV virus and will die without treatment to contain it - up from about 36.2 million two years ago. Only one in 10 in developing countries can get the drugs they need.
Last year, 4.9 million people were newly infected and 3.1 million died. In some parts, such as sub-Saharan Africa, the numbers living with HIV appear to have stabilised, but only because as many are now dying as are acquiring infection.
In the UK, HIV continues to spread. UNAids says it "has become the fastest-growing serious health condition". A report today from the Health Protection Agency will confirm the trend. Last year there were 7,000 new diagnoses, taking the total numbers living with infection well above 50,000.
The numbers of women affected globally are rising faster than those of men, now making up nearly half of the total. In sub-Saharan Africa, where the pandemic is furthest advanced, the transition is complete - 57% of those with HIV are women. In Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa, 77% of all young people infected virus are women. Across nine countries in that region, the infection rate in the whole population is one in four.
In other parts of the world, there have been large hikes in the proportion of women affected. In east Asia, there has been a 56% increase in the number of HIV positive women in the past couple of years. In Russia, where the epidemic began in young, mostly male injecting drug users, the proportion of women infected has gone up from 24% to 38% in just 12 months.
In every region of the world - including the US, where Aids is one of the biggest killers of African-American women, and Europe - it is the same story, said Kathleen Cravero, deputy executive director of UNAids, yesterday, and it means that a new strategy must be adopted.
"The prevention strategies now in place are missing the point when it comes to women and girls," she said. The ABC mantra favoured by the US - abstinence, be faithful and use a condom - is useless to women who do not have the power to refuse sex, sometimes from an older, sexually experienced husband who already has HIV.
Social and cultural change is the only way to check the pandemic in countries where women have no status or power, UNAids says - although it accepts that revolution is not on the cards.
"What we're talking about is very specific actions that are doable, moving to a situation where every woman gets to keep her house and her land and her furniture when her partner dies," said Ms Cravero. "It doesn't mean turning society on its head. It means getting the right laws in place and making them enforceable.
"We have to work against the fatalistic idea that you can never change these things."
UNAids is urging governments to reform their inheritance laws, pass legislation protecting women from domestic violence and help girls attend secondary schools. A woman who has some education and some economic power through possession of her own house and garden will be better able to negotiate sex, said Ms Cravero. "We have to turn abstinence on its head and fight for the right of every woman to abstain when and if she wants to, because right now she doesn't have that right."
Ms Thompson related stories from three trips to Africa of sugar daddies who offered schoolgirls meals or trainers for sex. "I knew of a girl who gave her body to a man because he gave her an apple, because nobody had ever given her anything before," she said.
Mothers who were desperate for money would gamble that if they were infected with HIV, they could stay alive long enough to bring up their children. "I would sell my body if I had to do it to feed my child," said Ms Thompson.
She suggested that Tony Blair could contribute by going to Ethiopia, where she had recently been, and publicly taking an Aids test. "I think it is going to take big gestures like that. Examples have to be set by men of power."
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
Hey mongers thanks for all the helpfull info. I generally only get on this board just prior to going on a mongering vacation. I am going to Rio for three weeks in December. It's nice to reset here with some balanced perspective on my favorite hobby.
Viral infections:
I am trying to find a cheap source for Valtrex. Looks like India might be the cheapest online source. Does anyone have any experience geting pharmaceuticals there?? Last year I was able to download some sample coupons off the net. Got my physicians signature and recieved about $300.00 worth for free!! Reported in various studies, performs like a body prophalactic against herpes virus. I started popping a Valtrex about every day while heavy mongering particularly DATY with Therma girls. I think it makes sense, as it's generally prescribed as suppresive therapy. Also "Abreva" cream, buy it over the counter at Costco, I put a dab on my tongue and run it around the gums and teeth as studies claim it passively supresses herpes, it basically has no taste, and I also use it around the base of the shaft about once a day when mongering.
I bought a dozen of the 10 minute HSV2 test kits from Diagnology about a year ago before the company went out of business. They worked OK but its a hassle to get Therma *****s to use them, requires a few drops of blood. I have generally used them with American women when STD's become a talking point prior to negotiating some steady unprotected monagamous sex for a few months.
Durex condom is my favorite but I have never tried the Max model. Thanks for the heads up!
We have our conclusion on the adult industry, to add to that, alot of adult film star will tour at the moonlight bunny ranch, as well as others, where the clientel dont get tested beforehand! Who here thinks airforce amy has herpes and uses the best medication available when she has outbreaks?
[QUOTE=Civ2000]Gladiator, The answer is option #2: there is a test for herpes. Also, herpes is probably so widespread in the adult industry they probably don't worry much about it. I give 10 to 1 odds that Ron Jeremy has it but that it didn't keep him out of any films.
The only problem I see with your scenario is that some diseases and viruses take a month or more to show a positive result on tests but can be contagious during the same time frame. Also for herpes there are quite a few false negative test results.
To be safe it's best to keep it wrapped. Civ[/QUOTE]
If you plan to monger, be safe. And to help you out, Consumer Reports recently tested and rated the performance of condoms. Here's a link to a story about the top performers, [url]http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/best.condoms.reut/index.html[/url]
Hey Guys,
For the past month, I have had a pinkish, reddish rash on the base of my penis that has been very itchy. While taking a shower and cleaning my area it gets more irritated and sometimes bleeds a little. The rash area itself is somewhat glossy. I have applied alcohol at times but it does not go away.
I want to see a Dr. but cannot afford to just yet, maybe next week. Not even sure what type of doc to see.
Any of you guys experience this problem or no anything of it.
I would die if it was herpes.
I was planning on getting an STD test but dont even know where to go in my area. I cant really afford the full testing either.
Sorry guys, I just didnt know where else to post.
In the past I have been with both pros and amatures but most recently an amature who I think may have caused my problem as it occured shortly after contact with her. It was a one nighter so I cant call to ask.
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
I'm not a doctor but do not put alcool on it this is the first advise I can tell you it can make think worst. Maybe it's only a mushroon. Please try to see a clinic specialise on STD
Chattel
The Person, Call your local public health office and ask where you can get free/reduced cost STD/HIV testing. I looked at your posts and it appears you're in the Philly or New Jersey area? There has to be literally hundreds of places you can go.
As far as to what kind of doctor to see, I'd just see my regular family doctor., family medicine, general practicioner, or internal medicine.
Since you don't mention small blisters, I'm assuming its probably not herpes. Besides, herpes goes away in a few days to a couple of weeks, max. My guess, and it is purely speculation, is that you have a fungal infection (jock itch) and thats all. Buy a can of Cruex and see what happens. And quit putting alcohol on it. And quit scratching and irritating it.
Civ2000
P. S. And the cost of this free medical advice: please post and let us know what it was. Thanks.
Canada's gifts to AIDS/HIV prevention in South Africa are the Three Amigos -- Stretch, Shaft and Dick -- a series of cartoon condom commercials, [url]http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/OttawaSun/News/2005/01/13/896811-sun.html[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4252745.stm[/url] Older women get Aids
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4250789.stm [/url] African babes use condoms as jewelry
The Person -- follow Civ's advise and see a doc ASAP! Besides just enduring unnecessary pain and irritation , you might be posing health risk to others. And if ANY skin around your genital area is open or bleeding -- your risk of getting much more serious STI goes up tremendously.
This could be sign of:
Herpes - yes -!!
Pseudomonas
Candida (Yeast Infections)
Pubic Lice
Scabies
Molluscum
...and many more
All of which require unique and prescription treatments. Alcohol is doing nothing for you except irritate the already damaged tissue. It's too late for alcohol, dude!
A ranking of condoms for effectiveness, comfort and pleasure, [url]http://slate.msn.com/id/2114132/[/url].
As I'm now over forty, I'm increasingly coming to the opinion that sex with a condom is only slightly more fun than no sex at all. However, I'm far to terrified of hiv to do it without. A recent trip to a former soviet country highlighted this when a pick up from a bar came round to my flat a few days later offering sex without condoms and for free. It really hurt to say no.
Two things appear to offer hope. One is the idea of using an hiv test on your girl to see what your chances might be if you go bareback and the other is the so called "liquid condom" which seems to be able to protect both people from each other. I've read the whole of this thread (and by the way, I hope I never have to see yet another person ask how risky a BBBJ is- this question is on almost every page...) and there is some usefull info aboiut hiv tests. No mention of the use of liquid condoms. I belive these are only just coming on to the market. Does anyone have any experience of these?
Cheers and thanks in advance for any information.
Are Condoms Safe?
A spokesman from the rubber chemistry industry answers The Washington Times, Wednesday April 22, 1992:
My only comment is to point out that the rubber comprising latex condoms has intrinsic voids about 5 microns (0.0002 inches) in size. Since this is roughly 10 times smaller than sperm, the latter we effectively blocked in ideal circumstances.
The 12 percent failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy is attributable to in situ cracking, removal. ozone deterioration from improper sealing, manufactured defects, etc.
Contrarily, the AIDS virus is only 0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in size. Since this is a factor of 50 smaller than the voids inherent in rubber, the virus can readily pass through the condom should it find a passage.
A reluctance to stake one's life on the ability of a condom to prevent HIV infection bespeaks wisdom, not discrimination.
C.M. Roland
Editor. Rubber Chemistry Land Technology
Washington
[QUOTE=ThePerson]Hey Guys,
For the past month, I have had a pinkish, reddish rash on the base of my penis that has been very itchy. While taking a shower and cleaning my area it gets more irritated and sometimes bleeds a little. The rash area itself is somewhat glossy. I have applied alcohol at times but it does not go away.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I would go to a GP immediatly, if you are worried about this getting out find a new GP close to work and use your work address. I would also advise being totally honest. The younger doctors are better in my opinion. What you need is a swob and a blood test. However saying all of that its most likely thrush, so while you are waiting for your test results go to a chemist and ask for some anti-fungal cream (make sure you ask for the one for men, unless you specifically require a vaginal cream inserter). Note : alcohol can make fungal rash worst in women, so i assume the same can occur with men.
As the other guys have requested, let us know the result - otherwise we will all assume it has killed you.
[QUOTE=Soujourn]The Person -- follow Civ's advise and see a doc ASAP! [/QUOTE]This is a good site for information.
[url]http://www.afraidtoask.com/std.html[/url]
The pitcures are definatly not erotic.
Hello Guys,
I wanted to discuss post-sex clean up because I know it does come up from time to time. You've fucked, been sucked etc by some hottie/sw/***** etc but you now regret it because you didn't use protection and now you feel worried about catching something. As a doctor I thought I would tell you guys about the post sex clean up that I do in the rare instances I don't have the chance to use protection. It won't work vs crabs or lice but it should be effective vs most forms of venereal disease. The best advise is always prevention (condoms, dental dams etc) but for some reason it doesn't work out this is a good clean up.
1. Cleaning your privates
I suggest using iodine. You can get iodine at walmart and most drug stores. It is purple stuff that stains like crazy but it is effective vs almost all STD except maybe crabs. In surgery we use iodine to sterilize things and it can work just effectively to clean yourself after an indiscretion. It is purple stuff - generously place it on a washcloth/paper napkin, slightly diluted in water and rub it all over your privates - testicles, shaft, roll back the skin (if you are not circumcised) and put it in and around your glans (if you are not circumscised). The only problem with iodine is it stains so you will probably have to do this in a shower, and have to wash up your privates agian afterward just as thoroughly using soap until the iodine stain is gone. Rubbing alcohol (don't use drinking alcohol it won't work) is just as effective as iodine but I don't recommend it because it hurts. I read on this site about a guy who washed up after sex but still got an STD. I would suggest that if he had used iodine that would not have been a problem. I guess in a pinch you could use listerine or peroxide or even rubbing-alcohol based aftershave to clean yourself but I am not certain they would be as effective.
2.Rinsing your mouth.
There probably is no good way to get around an std exposure if you have oral sex. However, I recommend rinsing your mouth with listerine. It will hurt a lot - Don't say i didn't warn you but it is probably the best protection. Use the equivalent of twice the normal amount of listerine (usually two large bottlecaps full) and rinse your mouth for 2 minutes. For those of you who don't normally use mouthwash, you need to really shake the fluid around inside your mouth to make sure it reachs anywhere bacteria may be hiding. Generic walmart/cvs/walgreens antiseptic mouthwash works just as well as the brand name stuff. Don't use scope or weaker mouthwash as it will not be as effective.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure - be careful out there guys and happy mongering. By the way - Jackson you rock!
Later,
Jadedmd
You're kidding, right? You suspect you might have gotten an STD, your dick was hurting, and you proceeded to have sex with someone else? I hope you at least used protection this second time!
First off, get thee to a doctor as opposed to listening to anything on this site. There are plenty of STDs where in men the symptoms can disappear quickly but the infection is still there -- clap, Chlamydia, etc. The most likely thing, based on what you describe, is that she had a yeast infection (Candida) and that you got it.
Next, if you're gonna have sex, wrap that damn puppy at least until you know you're clean. The rest of us don't need exposure to your sloppy seconds in this instance.
Finally, don't you think a paternity test might be in order? You're not seriously taking the word of a hooker/ex-hooker that you're positively the father of her kid, are you?
Regardless of whether or not they're watching you like hawks, for heaven's sake get yourself checked out, man. Better to incur the wrath of women than the long-term health problems associated with some STDs. (Not to mention the potential issues should you pass something along to one or the other.) And lots of these diseases manifest as symptom-free in some guys, so just because the symptoms are gone doesn't mean the disease is -- get yourself checked and keep yourself safe.
'Sides -- sounds like in a number of months it all may come out in the wash anyway, eh?
Sorry for the title JW. But you should have let me bonk those women.
Forget the witch doctors. Your main problem, I guess is you are in Tokyo. You have two options: private or public.
Private: there is an old white Russian has a clinic near Roppongi Crossing. Easy to find: leave Roppongi station and walk past Paddy Foley's towards Tokyo Tower. When you come to the big crossing (right to ACCJ and Russian Embassy), he is on the far corner of that crossing. He is expensive.
Public: There are some good publich hospitals with English speakers if that is a problem, [url]http://japan.usembassy.gov/e/acs/tacs-7119.html[/url]
The only issue there is privacy that might work its way back to your boss if you have a health card. So tell them your long lost wife/sister whatever gave it to you.
International Medical Center of Japan (has the Skinless seal of approval, check US site for more details)
Do get checked out and don't mind people here too much. Symptoms can come and go. It might not be serious. But it might.
You miught also go to the International Pharmacy near Roppongi Crossing.
Also check out [url]www.metropolis.co.jp[/url] for the small ads, which should have phone numbers you can dial for more information.
And next time, let me fuck them first. Better safe than sorry.
...I'll just leave you with these.
[url]http://www.infectionspotlight.com/infection/PregnantWomen.jsp?id=105[/url]
[url]http://www.well-net.com/STD/std1.html[/url]
Think about what you could be doing to those women and, more importantly, that unborn child, which could very well be YOUR unborn child. PLEASE... SEE A DOCTOR ASAP!
cjw: first of all, this information belongs on the public board, not in private pms. this is so for two reasons: a. everyone should pay attention to sti debates here (very few do); b. for every 10 pms you get, it would be a good guess that 9 of them would be of the quack doctor variety.
your dick could be suffering strain or it could be infected. the only way to know is to have a qualified medic take blood and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] samples at the appropriate intervals. the only way to know is to be checked. these intelligent viruses play self survival games and they sometimes lie low or don't show symptoms so they can thrive. women are generally asymmptotic: ie they don't show visible symptoms such as the 70% of males who have dripping dicks.
your skank friend may be pregnant or she may have a vaginal infection which causes her to skip a period or to have a delayed period. again, only a check can tell.
if being in tokyo is a logistical problem, go to an english speaking hospital |(links given in the earlier post), check out metropolis, phone up the help lines and get checked. there are several hiv checking places around shinjuku where english is spoken. details should be in metropolis. there isp lenty of help availalbe; avail of it.
if you do have a dose, the longer you leave it untreated, the worse it will be for your body.
fnally, do not rely on this board. you are better than that.
CJW: I am writing this as I have liked the wit in many of your posts. I got the clap and I reported on it here. Zop also was clapped.
Have you read Faustus by Thomas Mann? A worthy thing to mention on "VE" Day. Or, to give it its fuller title, Doctor Faustus: The Life of the German Composer Adrian Leverkuhn As Told by a Friend.
This is one of the greatest books ever written. It is based in Nazi Germany when Hitler's forces were waging war on all fronts, the home front with The Traveler's heroic family included.
Being a cultured man, you have no doubt read it and you no doubt know that Leverkuhn is based on the modernist innovator Arnold Schoenberg, whose music is probably known only to the likes of myself, Freeler and Prokofiev. (Jackson likes The Grateful Dead:(
Leverkuhn's friend is a typical, insipid, winded liberal but who has two sons dying for their beloved leader, Herr Hitler, on the Eastern Front where....... Do I digress? Sorry Crazy.
Maybe you are not interested in any of that. Maybe you are a low brow like the unmentionables on the Thai board. Bear with me. Leverkuhn/Schoenberg gets the clap from a hooker but in a mark of devotion, understood only by Mann, Domino and other high brows, he decides not to get it treated.
Guess what happens to Schoenberg? He goes stark raving nuts. True story dude. That is what the clap does if untreated. As this is VE Day, think of Churchill's father (and even think of his mother to keep RN off your case) who suffered the same fate. Get yourself treated/tested kid. Or else you might regret it big time.
Don't fuck around with this. Follow the advice of the earlier posts. Think about safe sex -another day.
You might be afraid you have fucked up really big time with HIV. (Mann deals with something similar). Bite the bullet and get properly tested.
I note your link and I am sure it is a good one. But one of the reasons I got the clap was from following the witch doctors who post on this site. Bush doctors and prison lawyers are fine. But in a real life situation, you want the real professionals.
PS: I was all set to sign out but deliberately stuck my nose in here to see if you had been back. Do the right thing.
[QUOTE=Gulfro]Are Condoms Safe?
A spokesman from the rubber chemistry industry answers The Washington Times, Wednesday April 22, 1992:
My only comment is to point out that the rubber comprising latex condoms has intrinsic voids about 5 microns (0.0002 inches) in size. Since this is roughly 10 times smaller than sperm, the latter we effectively blocked in ideal circumstances.
The 12 percent failure rate of condoms in preventing pregnancy is attributable to in situ cracking, removal. ozone deterioration from improper sealing, manufactured defects, etc.
Contrarily, the AIDS virus is only 0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in size. Since this is a factor of 50 smaller than the voids inherent in rubber, the virus can readily pass through the condom should it find a passage.
A reluctance to stake one's life on the ability of a condom to prevent HIV infection bespeaks wisdom, not discrimination.
C.M. Roland
Editor. Rubber Chemistry Land Technology
Washington[/QUOTE]What this article is saying is that condom is useless as far as preventing HIV is concerned. If it is true, why do health authorities throughout the world, and in fact the WHO have been promotion and encouraging the use of condom as the most effective mean to prevent HIV and other STDs??
That letter has become one of the cornerstones of the religious right's abstinence movement, as it's used to say "Condoms don't work! Not having sex is the only answer!"
The basic problem with Roland's letter and research is that he's comparing apples and oranges -- his data looks at the latex of rubber gloves, and their levels of porousness, and condoms are simply made to higher standards. There's a discussion (albeit old and rather sketchy in places) of Roland's letter at [url]http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a940506.html[/url] and a better article on the issue as a whole at [url]http://www.thebody.com********AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/PreventionSexual/Q2944.qna[/url].
But the single best piece of information that looks at condom effectiveness, which is also more recent (2001), is at [url]http://www.niaid.nih.gov/dmid/stds/condomreport.pdf[/url]. This report came from a literature review workshop which examined the question, "What is the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of male condom-use to prevent STD transmission during vaginal intercourse?" It concluded that by and large the research literature was inadequate to conclusively answer the question as a whole, but that the published data for condom effectiveness was strongest for HIV (which it said clearly significantly reduces risk for both men and women) and gonhorrhea (which it said clearly significantly reduces risk for men.)
The CDC (at the behest of the current administration) removed its "“Condoms are effective in preventing HIV and other STDs” statement from its condom fact sheet and replaced it with, "The surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases is to abstain from sexual intercourse ...” but the research shows that the first statement is still valid.
I was browsing the CDC website and found HIV trends:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/GRAPHICS/trends.htm[/url]
Take a look at slide 16 titled:
Estimated Number of Male Adults and Adolescents Living with AIDS, by Tansmission Category, 1985-2003 United States
If I'm reading the correctly, it says 40,000 heterosexual guys that are not drug users have AIDS as of 2003.
IMHO, this defeats a lot of what is said on this forum about guys having a hard time contracting HIV from bareback sex.
How do you guys interprit the graph?
pop till you drop,
hojo
Hojo: I interpret the graph as AIDS on the rise again....
[QUOTE=Hojo]I was browsing the CDC website and found HIV trends:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/GRAPHICS/trends.htm[/url]
Take a look at slide 16 titled:
Estimated Number of Male Adults and Adolescents Living with AIDS, by Tansmission Category, 1985-2003 United States
If I'm reading the correctly, it says 40,000 heterosexual guys that are not drug users have AIDS as of 2003.
IMHO, this defeats a lot of what is said on this forum about guys having a hard time contracting HIV from bareback sex.
How do you guys interprit the graph?
pop till you drop,
hojo[/QUOTE]
the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.
however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.
scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.
genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.
this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.
use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked!
Heterosexual Males: Many of these Americans are fucking guys or being fucked by them but will not admit it. Same same as many of the guys who post on the Thai thread.
High Risk Groups: Guys who fuck prostitutes are high risk no matter how many condoms they may purchase.
Probabilities: These are all nonsense. Condom peddlers have an agenda. If you take due precautions, you obviously lessen the chances. But the fact that HIV has not abated over the last 20 years in the USA shows people do not listen to advice. In that sense, there is nothing new under the sun.
Again, fucking skanks is a high risk pursuit. Homosexuals, the HIV NGO parasite industry as well as other societal parasites all have their own agendas to ply.
Perverts: There must be few people more perverse than the scientists who do these experiments.
i agree and you cannot say it better but with harsh and direct words gettingtang.
that is why i do not understand how people can go around looking for bareback sex in other parts of the world (specially sea) thinking that they are getting pristine and untouched pussy...
i really don't....
[quote=gettingtang]the cdc estimates as of the end of 2004 there are about 21,000 american males living in the usa who contracted hiv via heterosexual acts. when you compare this to male on male, or iv drug use it is a mere fraction. the facts are, hiv can be transmitted from female to male during straight vaginal sex, but it's far more difficult.
however, get a recently infected females vaginal secretions, or blood into your urethra and all bets are off. studies indicate that as much as 70% of hiv transmission occurs when the host (giver of the disease) is within the first year following their infection. why? because virus levels are at there peek during the first year. in the millions, sometimes even exceeding a billion during the first few months, then decline to usually below 20,000.
scientists have done studies that indicate, if you have sex with someone who was recently infected, the chances for transmission is as high as 27% (1-4) per sexual act! this number declines to less in 1-1000 after a year or so has gone by and the virus level in the body is reduces and stabilized.
genital vaginal hiv shedding during the first 12 months following infection is 200-500% higher then it is during an established infection.
this is why hiv is still being spread, because 99% of those recently infected, have no idea they have been infected. there have now been dozens of studies proving this science. remember, experts now say that 70% of people who caught hiv, did so, from someone who had themselves been infected within the past year.
use condoms!! or die! it's really this simple! going on 50 million people worldwide can't be wrong! 50 fcking million people. and estimated to hit 100 million by 2010!!!! think about it boys, it's a virus, it plays by it's own rules! get it inside your body, no matter who, where, how or why and your life is fcked![/quote]
This old boy has had the shit scared out of him about HIV. I've had friends, less sexually active then I was by far in the past catch HIV. I'm an old Navy boy and knew personally, five buddies catch this dreadful disease. FIVE! It was a wake-up call for me. I used to take my blowjobs bare and ALWAYS kept covered for vaginal sex. I also refuse to go downtown and eat out. I personally think this is high risk. Now, I even cover up for a basic BJ. Why you ask? Sure, I have heard all the experts say you can't get HIV from a BJ, but common sense would say otherwise. How often does your mouth bleed? It happens and blood is the most contagious of all body fluids! Not to mention there are some very disgruntled sex workers out there packing HIV. All they would have to do, it make their mouth bleed a little while giving you a BJ and push it down into your penis tip. Not gushing blood, just a little would do. And if you think there are not people out there who would love to infect you, you're fooling yourself!
All this shit about this, or that not being a risk is pure BS. Anytime you exchange body fluids with another person you're at risk. Sure, some activities are much more risky, but why the hell take any risk at all? You pull that s,lot machine handle long enough and eventually you're going to hit the jackpot.
I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years, but it does no good if you already have it. Imagine catching HIV a week before they announce an affective vaccine has been created? Talk about ironic.
You have to protect yourselves at all times. HIV is a damn virus, it does not care if you're an IV drug user, heterosexual, gay, or whatever. If you find some path for it to get into your body, you're doomed. This old boy has officially retired from the heavy mongering scene, I have risked my life for long enough and luckily escaped the wrath this game often brings, without HIV, but when I stop by here and all the bullshit about how you can't possibly catch HIV from straight sex it really pisses me off. Not to mention, what gives any of you the right to place these young girls at risk? Oh because they are poor their life should somehow be worth less? Every life is equal, rich poor, impoverished or not. I'm sure a great many of the regulars on this board are packing HIV, some probably even know it. Makes me sick!
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4720457.stm[/url]
This dude is spreading the good news about safe sex all over. He gets plenty of sex too.
Is it just me, or do condoms leave an area of skin uncovered at the base? When the woman is on top fluid could drip. Perhaps the solution is to use extra long condoms and stretch them over the boys. Maybe a rubber funnel could be made that would slide on first, and then a condom could overlap it. Any suggestions?
As a basically paranoid person I have taken measures to avoid any and all skin to skin contact in the pubic region. Call me extreme, but I can't imagine anything worse than bringing home some microfriends to share with my loved ones.
Get yourself a piece of very thin sheet of (latex?) rubber and cut out a six inch square. Mine came from a physical therapy band . It is a thin rubber used for stretching to strengthen muscles. I imagine a hospital supply store might have it; I got it for therapy for an injured knee.
Anyway, make a small hole in the middle so that it stretches as you slide your dick through it. Don't overestimate your size (as so many of us do *s*) as you want it to fit fairly snugly.
Get a pair of tight fitting nylon exercise shorts or underwear. I bought mine at Target. They are perfect: seamless and lightweight with no fly. Cut a small slit in the front where your dick is.
Here is how it works: With dick sufficiently hardened, put on the condom or better yet have your princess do it for you. Slide the condomed dick through the latex square. This will be your gasket. Finally, put on your shorts and pull your dick through the hole. Now you have a covered shaft, base, and the entire lower part is protected by the shorts.
You may need to experiment a bit to get the right fit, but you can set up a pretty impermeable barrier this way.
Fuck as long and hard as you want with the confidence that none of her juices, sweet as they may seem at the moment, will come into contact with your privates.
I know, it may look and sound silly and cause bemusement on the part of your partner, but I believe that the protection is worth any humiliation. In fact, I have found that a lot of my consorts have praised me for being so careful. They don't want to catch anything either.
Anyone else done anything like this?
One way to be really, really safe is to just stay home and jack off. Be sure to wear latex gloves and a condom while you do it though. I am laughing my ass off at these last two guys.
People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.
I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.
Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.
So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible
Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.
Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.
Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please!
[QUOTE=GettingTang]People, please, be realistic. HIV is a virus, it's deadly, but it's not a real easy virus to catch. Did you know that out of the estimated 1,200,000 people in the US infected with HIV, only about 22,000 of those are straight males. Of these, probably a great many of them are bisexual and got it through anal gay sex, but are too ashamed to admit it.
I now keep my willy covered even for oral sex. I never go down on any working girl and have always used condoms for intercourse. However, in years gone past, I've probably gotten over 600 Blow jobs without a condom, of those, many were probably high risk performers for HIV. I just did my last 6 month total STD screening and came up negative for everything. I was tested for all Hepatitis viruses, HIV, syphilis, Gonorrhea, clamydia, TB, and more! Negative on all fronts.
Now get one the straight here. I personally believe you can get HIV from oral sex. I've read to much evidence of it. Sure, they claim there has never been a "documented case" but do some web searches, there are thousands of guys out there just like many of you. These guys played the field for years. They did exactly what I did and many of you do also, they wrapped up with a condom for intercourse and took their blow jobs bare. Many have turned up HIV positive. However, the CDC will not document their cases, as for there to be "documentation", the event must be isolated to the an exact event, time, place, from a single exposure. Then other evidence is required such as strain and DNA matching of the virus.
So I think it's safe to say, that many have caught HIV from oral sex, probably not via saliva as this acts as an HIV blocker, but most likely from blood, even small amounts in the mouth. How often does your mouth bleed? Imagine if you had bad oral care? It's possible
Bottom line as I've stated hundreds of times before, it's your life, it's your risk. You decide. I will say the ignorance in this forum regarding HIV and how it is and is not infectious is frightening. You people are all really ignorant, no offense, but if you're going to play the mongering game, you really need to educate yourselves as to exactly what you're risking and how to prevent it.
Last, don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications. In the USA, the most advanced medical nation on the planet, if you're infected with HIV today, your life expectancy is still only going to be about 20 years.About half of those 20 years will not be very pleasant. Of those 20 years to survive that long, you will have to take dozens of pills a day, slowly eroding your bodies muscle and fat tissue. You will have serious neurological side affects and eventually these medications will fail leading to AIDS. If the meds do not fail you and they do in almost everyone taking them due to the virus's ability to mutate, you will die due to severe side affects and permanent radiation damage.
Bottom line, quit trying to "beat the system" and keep it covered! Sure it does not feel as good, but damn people, many of you have wives and kids. Think about them for a moment. Are they not worth a little loss of sensation? Please![/QUOTE]
You had 600 BBBJ but no Hiv so where is the logic.
What is your source for that 22/1200 or 1.8% statistic? I mean, I know you are full of bullshit and don't have a source for it, but I'm just checking. And if you should happen to have a source, which I know you don't because you are so full of bullshit, what percentage of the people in the numerator are intravenous drug users?
I bet you could take an IQ test and it would come up negative as well.
Earlier Getting No Tang posted the following, which is also bullshit, but contradicts his more recent bullshit:
"Actually I agree with what you posted here, but on the brighter side of things, a cure for HIV is coming soon.
There have been 5 breakthroughs in the past 6 months regarding scientific studies on treating HIV. The latest promising venture is from Israel where they used a vaccine to block HIV from connecting to uninfected cells, they then combines this with current inhibitor treatments, they were able to eradicate HIV from monkeys using this method. Looks real promising for people too, although those studies are still about a year away in people.
In France, they treated 80 patients with nothing but a single dose vaccine injection recently designed, from just one injection, they were able to reduce the viral load BY 90%, or greater in 78 of the 80 volunteers! Most have sustained the 90% plus reduction for going on 18 months. Some are still seeing the virus be reduced even at 18 months out. Several are now at undetectable levels, or less then 50 parts per sample! This is not a cure, but if this procedure holds in the pattern it is, it would mean a once per three year, maybe even only once per five year vaccine injection and this would be able to suppress the virus indefinitely.
There are scores of promising studies from the USA too, these are more aimed at long term treatment and suppression through single dosing, eventually the goal is to reduce dosing to a once per month pill or injection.
I read an article last month, that most HIV top scientist estimate a cure, or long term, easy treatment will be widely available in the next 5 years or less."
go ahead dickhead, keep banging bareback and see where it gets you. i've seen so many come and go just like you. they thought they could beat the system. you're problem, like so many others before, is you are trying to justify your behavior, by finding your own rational risk assessment. i will remind you one last time. hiv is a virus, it does not care who you are, or what you think.
you're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out.
and for the record, there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in se asia intentionally infecting them. yes, that's right. funny thing is, when these individuals show up for their departing flight, federal officers will be waiting for them.
i know of one individual, who's wife had already identified him via his photos and notified the proper authorities of his hiv status. the fallout is coming boys. i guess the story he told his wife about some new hiv therapy in distant se asia, included banging ****d girls with no condom while being hiv infected. he should have a fun homecoming, or lack there of.
GT, you're missing the point. Dickhead points out that in your zeal you toss a lot of opinions and unsupported "facts," which are sometimes contradictory in nature, and that undermines rather than helps your evangelical position.
When you post things such as in your previous post which are completely vague and unverifiable ("there are many on this site, who are known to be infected and are bare-backing women in SE Asia intentionally infecting them") where you convey that you have special inside knowledge and that therefore everyone should give extra weight to your statements, it has completely the opposite effect since it comes off as baloney.
I've not seen DH say he thinks bareback is the way to go, but I'm with him that hyperbolic assertions don't help edify or educate -- they only give people reason to think they're being fed a plate full of bullshit.
So where's the source for the bullshit you posted earlier? And where have I ever posted anything about barebacking? I never have, of course. But then again I don't poke dick holes in my underwear like Gallo Inglés recommends. You, on the other hand, contradict yourself in your own posts all the time.
Just admit you made that number up about 1.8% of those infected with AIDS being heterosexual. Just flat out made it up. Come on, admit it.
GT post #1: "A cure for AIDS is coming soon."
GT post #2: "Don't be fooled by the media hype about HIV medications."
Seems rather contradictory to me. Just like GT post #3: "Statistically, if a male who has HIV screws a female, unprotected and cums in her vagina, it takes an average of 100 exposures for her to become infected. If the female is the infected one, it takes about 3000 tries on average, for the male to become infected."
Where's your source for that one?
Since somehow, I've been appointed the WSG's HIV "Expert" I'll be back with many scientific links to support my recent posts.
However, keep in mind, a time line was not given for a "cure" In articles recently read, most scientists feel a cure will come but probably not likely within the next 40-50 years. Man has never been able to completely eradicate any virus, only the body's natural immune system has been able to do this. And with HIV, the immune system is unable to keep up with it.
What is more likely to happen in the near term, is immune based therapies, that will alter the course of long-term HIV treatment away from highly toxic therapies that basically still end your life prematurely. These therapies are likely at least 10-15 years away from being readily available at your local pharmacy. So my point was simply, if you catch HIV today, as things stand currently, you're still pretty much fucked! Understand now?
So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV.
And yes, HIV is most difficult for infection from female to male, but not impossible. There is a difference. There are recent studies indicating males are 70% more likely to be infected from a female if he is uncircumsized. The reason is that in the uncircumsized male, you have white blood cells or receptor cells on the surface of the uncircumsized area. These are the cells in which HIV attaches itself to for infection. If you guys want to learn a thing or two, about how your risking your lives, stay tuned. I'll be back.
"I do think a vaccine for HIV will come in about five more years"
GT posted that [b]three weeks ago[/b]. Now it's 40 or 50 years. My, how time flies. Oh, well; I'm off to get circumcised.
That was what is called a theraputic vaccine, not a preventative vaccine. Theraputic vaccines are immune based therapies.
ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters Health) - Circumcision, or removal of the foreskin of the penis, is known to reduce the risk of HIV infection, and now researchers may understand why. The findings could help in the development of new therapies to prevent the spread of the AIDS-causing virus.
According to Carlos R. Estrada from Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center in Chicago, Illinois and colleagues, about 80% of HIV infections occur during sex, and the route of entry for most HIV-infected men is via the penis. Circumcision is known to reduce the risk of infection 2- to 8-fold, but the reason why has been unclear.
In their study, presented here Saturday at the American Urological Association's annual meeting, researchers evaluated 14 samples of foreskin tissue from children and adults. They also examined specimens of female cervical tissue.
To determine how susceptible the tissue might be to HIV infection, they counted the number of three types of immune system cells that are known to become infected with HIV in each specimen. The researchers counted CD4+ T-cells, macrophages and Langerhan's cells.
Compared to cervical tissue, the foreskins contained higher numbers of the three infectable cell types. Adult foreskins contained the highest proportion.
Further, when they tried to infect the samples with HIV, they found that the inner surface of the foreskin was seven times more susceptible to infection than the cervical tissue and the outer foreskin.
"During sexual intercourse, this inner layer is the area that becomes traumatized and infected," Estrada told Reuters Health. "In fact, we were not able to infect the outer layer of foreskin."
According to Estrada, adult patients that have had recent infections, whether sexually transmitted diseases or some other type of infection, also have a higher proportion of these infectable cells, and therefore may be at increased risk of HIV infection.
Estrada and colleagues also measured the numbers of HIV-specific receptors on the surface of the cells. These bind to the virus and help it to gain entry into the cells. One type, called CCR5, was especially predominant.
The researchers suggest that agents capable of blocking these HIV binding sites that could be applied topically to the penis or vagina should be developed.
"The US is one of the few countries in which circumcision is performed on a regular basis," Estrada said. "We think that in a third world country such as Africa, where AIDS is an epidemic, circumcision of children could provide a protective effect down the road."
In recent studies in Africa, infection rates were increased by more then 70% in males uncircumcised. In one study, 140 males were uncircumcised and 130 males who had been circumcised were followed for a period of 2 years. These males engaged in high risk heterosexual activities. After two years, 42 of the 140 uncircumcised males tested positive for HIV, while 8 of the circumcised males were positive for HIV.
[url]http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/hill-denniston1/[/url]
This above article claims that heterosexual intercourse as a source of HIV/AIDS has been way overstated.
[url]http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/07/05.php[/url]
This one points out that circumcision also reduces the risk (for women, obviously) of uterine cancer.
This one, from the Center For Disease Control, points out that not only are over one-third of all US AIDS cases traced to IV drug use, but many others are traceable indirectly to drug use due to the unsafe behaviors it may lead to.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/idu.htm[/url]
"In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission."
And it was CIM in 34% of the cases. Here's the link:
[url]http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm#q3[/url]
Let's see. I have a life expectancy of 32 more years, or 11,688 days including leap years. So, [b]if the above article is accurate[/b], I could get approximately 1.63 uncovered blow jobs a day, with .55 per day being CIM, and not get HIV.
Now suppose 19,000 blow jobs had led to [u]one[/u] instance of HIV, which then might or might not lead to AIDS. 1 / 19,000 = .00005262 probability. So I think I will stop reading this thread and find some hooker to blow me until I spew in her mouth.
One down, 18,999 to go.
"Here is a fact, [b]look it up, if you don't believe me[/b]. 85% of HIV positive people have a little ailment called seborrheic dermatitis. Now this varies in severity from person to person, but almost all will develop it and have a harder time treating it as the disease progresses.
We also know, that in the general population, less then 3% of people have seborrheic dermatitis, outside of HIV, yet 85% with HIV have it!
When seborrheic dermatitis is found anywhere but the scalp area, it raises the percentages it is related to HIV. When it is found anywhere else on the body besides the face and or scalp, this almost certainly means HIV infection!"
I didn't believe him. I looked it up. It's bullshit. This link
[url]http://dermatology.about.com/cs/seborrhea/a/seb_aids.htm[/url]
says that [b]"up to[/b] 85% of [HIV infected people eventually develop SD]." That is not the same thing (since if 85% [i]eventually develop it[/i], far fewer than 85% would [i]have[/i] it, but GT is not smart enough to make that distinction), and also this link is [b]not a scientific site but rather a site run by dermatologists[/b], who are biased and would like to scare you into using their somewhat questionable services whenever you have a rash.
Oh, and by the way, "seborrheic dermatitis" is just plain dandruff. So if you believe GT, don't fuck anyone with dandruff.
"So, for those of you with some capacity for reading very interesting scientific data, I'll be posting here later this afternoon, lots of links and data to let you know all about the different risks and treatments for HIV."
You ain't posted shit.
"You're likely already infected, or your too afraid to find out."
Post anything more like that, and we will have a [b]personal[/b] problem.
Anyone who claims "personal problem" based on a forum message board about paying for sex already has a personal problem problem.
And dickhead, (name suits you so well) dermatology manifestations are the most common symptom associated with HIV. In fact is usually the first symptom after primary infection and during the period between HIV and Aids phase!
As for SD, it is not the same as dandruff you idiot. Dandruff is on your scalp. SD is one you face, chest, armpits and groin. When it is on the facial and scalp area, this is very common. When it is found in the armpits, chest and groin, it almost always involves immune suppression. That's a fact! It is not always flaky, but a flat bright red persistent rash. Any women I stumble across with SD is not getting my willy. Sorry! Also, SD is far less common in women then men. In some ethnic cultures is does not exist outide of immune supresion. Certain Indian and Somoans do not get SD, or dandruff, if they do, it's usually do to a severe immune disorder.
I completely stand by that posting.
Dickhead,
Enjoy your BJ tonight? Did he or she smoke crack? Here is a little something for you dumb ass to be aware of.
For a variety of reasons including malnutrition and poor oral hygiene, those who inject drugs and/or smoke crack cocaine have a high prevalence of oral sores. In addition, crack cocaine smoking can cause blisters, sores, and cuts on the lips and in the mouth. Sores, blisters, and cuts can facilitate the oral transmission of HIV.
6. Oral sex is known to transmit other STDs (e.g., herpes, gonorrhea) which can in turn increase the risk of transmitting HIV through oral sex.
7. During oral sex, it is the individual whose mouth is on an HIV infected partner's genitals (and thus who might be receiving into their mouth that person's semen, preseminal fluid, or vaginal/cervical secretions) who has more risk of acquiring HIV than an individual whose genitals are receiving oral sex from an HIV infected partner. However, even those people whose only risk has been receiving oral sex on their genitals from an HIV infected partner have become infected through oral sex. Depsite documentation, it does happen.
Powder cocaine is so cheap down here that crack is unheard of.
"Seborrhea is also known as seborrheic dermatitis or common dandruff." Here's my source:
[url]www.medicinenet.com/seborrhea/article.htm[/url]
Of course, having sources isn't really important. What's really important is repeating one's self over and over again and then using personal attacks on any critics to give even more weight to what one is saying. It also helps to have a lot of misspellings; many scientific-type people have poor spelling and grammar. It's a sign of intelligence.
“uncovered oral sex= very minimal to no risk for HIV.”
Source: Getting Tang, of course, posted on 4 September of 2004.
Here's some more great stuff, all courtesy of Getting Tang:
10/14/04: “HIV in normal heterosexual acts is not very contagious”
9/26/04: “Among the gay community they have coming out parties now, for those who purposely get Aids and did so for the fun of it!”
9/17/04: "THE GREATEST GIFT A WOMAN CAN GIVE TO HER MAN, IS TO BE SUBMISSIVE!"
9/16/04: “In most third world countries 20-50% of working girls are HIV[i][sic][/i].”
oh, no, oochie ouchie, that hurt dickhead.
Hey here is a few more your forgot.
How about the time I found God, or how about the time I claimed to be a little old lady, or how about the disclaimer in my monger reports indicating all posts might not even be true? There is just few for ya.
Now I on the other hand I took the liberty of going through your past posts. I only looked at few of them. I came up with a disclaimer for you.
"I try to rationalize my fear of HIV by failure to test, because it's oh so scary. I try to rationalize not covering my willy, because Damn it, this virus somehow has to know I'm no homosexual man taking it up the ass. It knows better then to infect me! "
Try as you might dickhead, no matter what you say, it's a virus. Understand? If it finds a way into your blood stream, however that might be, you're doomed. It really could give a shit if you Gay, or shoot up drugs. IT DOES NOT CARE BUDDY!
And for the last time, I completely agree that heterosexual sex is by far the most difficult manor for the virus to be transmitted from the female to the male. It IS rather easy to go from male to female. I have never stated otherwise. So where is your argument? You keep posting stuff I said about this, as if your proving something? I agree! However, once again, the term difficult and impossible are not two of a kind! if you take risk after risk, after risk like most mongers do, eventually your luck will run out! Maybe the first time, maybe the 5000th. Who knows, but it will happen.
One last time dickhead, tell us all how HIV somehow understands who is Gay and who is not. The scientists of the world are eagerly waiting.
Hey dickhead, seriously old buddy pal, I dare you to get tested for HIV. Too chicken?
And if you want case history and proof. I'll bring article after article, if you agree to actually read it. I must warn you though, guys like you will be terribly frightened by it. All because you can't and won't cover your little bitsie winnie, tinie tiny, wenier.
Ever get a blow job from a meth user?
From yahoo just reported today.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050801/hl_afp/ussocialdrugs_050801170937[/url]
It's syndrome called meth mouth. It causes rapid tooth and gum decay. People are going to the dentist with the mouths literally falling out. Teeth rotting, bleeding, sores, infectious puss. Many of these individuals have HIV. Has one blown you lately?
Don't forget, HIV is more ripe and prevalent and ready to infect in infections that contain pus, then it is in blood, semen, vaginal secretions combined! This is because HIV infects t-cells which are a member of the white blood cell group. When you have an infection like in the mouths of crack cocaine users and meth addicts, what happens? Does anyone here remember 6th grade science. The white blood cells rush to the surface to fight the infection. Guess what if riding on those white blood cells? HIV!! (assuming the giver of your blowjob is infected of course).
Enjoying your bareback blow jobs boys? Dickhead, did you risk it again today?
Get tested and keep it covered boys!
Actually, I got three BBBJs today (yesterday now, I guess) although none was CIM. But that's my fault. I get tested for HIV/AIDS (down here it is SIDA) every six months and also whenever I donate blood. I've been doing that for probably fifteen years now. Last time was in April. Negative and have the paper to "prove" it. Of course that doesn't prove anything since there is an incubation period.
Nobody uses meth down here, but I've probably had any number of BBBJs from coke users. By the way, quotation marks are typically used when somebody actually said something, not when you just want to add more emphasis to bullshit.
Could we all just agree that the only safe sex would be masturbation (presuming you are not using a steel wool glove.)
You are both correct, but getting shrill, or pedantic about it contributes little IMHO.
Cheers,
Sporadic
Not cool dickhead and depending on what state you reside in, possibly against the law!
You're not supposed to donate blood if you have sex with prostitutes. Are you really too cheap to just pay for a damn test? Did you not read the questions they ask prior to donating blood?
I find it hard to believe, given your character that you would donate blood out of compassion or a need to give. I do believe you're just the type of person who would risk the lives of others by donoting blood as a means to screen yourself for HIV. What a crook of shit.
If you;re going to risk your own health and have sex daily with street *****s, fine, do what you please, but to take your risk and pass it onto other innocent people is just sickening. People who engage in regular sex with hookers, should not be donating blood. That's just sick!
I answered all the questions honestly. They screen the blood here before they use it. I don't live in the United States and they can shove their laws up their ass. I don't donate blood to get screened for HIV (you can do that for free here); I do that regardless at a private clinic because when donating blood here, you don't get the results unless something is amiss. I have donated over 100 pints of blood, never for any personal gain.
Now go fuck yourself. I'm done with this discussion, and you still haven't backed up a single thing you've said.
I was with three friends at FKK World in Germany on the 1:st of August. I was with one Romanian and one Hugarian girl and my friends each had two Romanians. We have been mongering for six years primarily in German FKK:s but also a lot in Prag and Brno in the Czech Republik. During this time none of us has caught any diseases wich is good since we are all married. 10 days afterwards one of my friends was diagnosed withg gonorreaha wich will probably cost him his marriage. Therew is no possibillity that he could have caught it anywere else.
I want to warn everybody about visiting FKK World due to the fact that they do not seem to control their girls. I will personally stop with OWO because the gonorreaha bacteria transmits through the mouth although the women show no symptoms. There is no way to spot it. I have always enjoyed OWO but now I see that it is to risky.
G Schyman
I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
Travis
Well Travis, thing is that you seem to know that you can get STDs and you are aware of the dangers, but some guys seem to disregard the existance of STDs and just go ahead and plunge BB without considering the consequences, believing that they are in no danger of contracting any dangerous diseases.
Which is totally wrong.....
[QUOTE=Travis Bickle 2]I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
Travis[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Travis Bickle 2]I am completely shocked and appalled that someone could catch Gonorrhea from having bareback sex with a prostitute. I must stop mongering immediately.
Travis[/QUOTE]I caught Gonorrhea from a prostitute from having bareback sex. I just don't know which prostitute gave it to me. I have not stopped mongering and I only have bare back sex.
I have been enjoying occasional fun for some time. Last was about 2 weeks ago when I visited massage parlors in Macau. Anyway yesterday I notice some small littel red dots on my penis. This morning I see there's lot more of them and the coverage has spread. Of course I'm scared and will find a doctor to check it out ASAP. Any one have any opinion of what it might be? I'm married so I guess I better face the worst case scenario of fucking my life up completely. Anything anyone can share to shed some light on my condition would be much appreciated.
Sounds like it might be syphilis.
actionjunkie,
I agree with DH, however you need to see a GUM doc. If you have any “ulcer” type lesions on your tongue the syphilis it is… (check also your arm pits and groin for swollen nodes.). If it is syphilis, then “ulcer fluid” will be examined and the bacteria are easily seen. You might also get tests for specific antibodies in the circulation (blood test).
About your Mrs. There are hundreds of cases of no-sexually transmitted syphilis caused by bacteria which can enter through a cut or breaks in the skin of the penis. In fact I should just tell the Mrs. That you caught your Johnson in the zipper and now its out of action…… "but honey I still got my tongue, come here babe!…”
Best wishes, Havanaman
Actionjunkie,
Mr. Dickhead might be right about you having a syphilitic dick but there is also the possiblity that it may be a raging case of genital herpes. It's hard to differentiate between the two given the limited clinical information on your case. Your mention of two weeks puts you in the incubation zone for either one of these diseases. Better see a doctor and get some lab work done STAT!
As for Mrs. Actionjunkie, tell her that she doesn't turn you on anymore and you want a divorce. Make sure that you get a damn good lawyer first though and keep your dick, medications and medical documents hidden. Sure leaving her will hurt you, but not as much as she will hurt you in and out of divorce court if she finds out that you have a diseased dick from fucking around.
Good luck,
Chocha Monger
[url]http://www.medhelp.org********STD/messages/790.html[/url]
[url]http://www.afraidtoask.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=UBB1&Number=163820[/url]
[url]http://www.medhelp.org********dermatology/messages/33458.html[/url]
[url]http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-170297.html[/url]
Throw this into your browser to get the results:
[url]http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=symptoms+small+little+red+dots+on+penis&sp=1&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&SpellState=n-3920486971_q-VLXSS5GxILAli12dZfM3MgAAAA%40%40[/url]
Red Spots: Some leads for you here. Note the guy who was getting a bbbj from a dog.
Bottom line is you might be ok but go check it out professionally. And remember as skanks are skanks, fucking them is like drinking the waters of New Orleans or, indeed, being born again in the Ganges.
It never ceases to amaze me that some guys who monger, don't take precautions because the girls get regular checkups, she looked clean, or she smelled clean.
These are prostitutes we are talking about. They are only as clean as their last trick. The guy who had her before you might have had bumps or sores on his dick or tongue, or worse.
I guess that it's a case of to each his own, but I shake my head when I hear of guys going bareback or DATY with providers.
Willie
herpes don't look like little red dots
Maybe he got a bad BBBJ and caught SIDA. Who knows?
Actionjunkie,
What is the final verdict concerning that rash on your pecker? BBBJ connoisseurs would like to know, so don't keep the entire forum in suspense or we may presume that the worst has come to past.
I caught it 1st time after covered sex with SW in San Francisco. I went to (the 7th st)clinic and first they said it was jock itch, but Inever had jock itch before so I believed them. I went back after jock itch creme failed and they said it was a "rash" (like duh) but it wasn't a STD (even though i got it after sex!) because it was (is) on my balls.
Anti itch creme seems to work, Right now I don't have med insurance (new job)
& now live in a new city (Rreno) so am unfamilliar with std clinics. I had a flare up after BBBJ and covered sex with SW here in Reno.
Anyone else have any ideas what the hell it is?
Jock itch can be hard to cure on the balls even with a prescription strength anti-fungal cream. It requires religious application of the cream for as much as 14 days. The balls must be kept clean, dry and sweat free. If your job requires you to move around a lot this will be no easy task. Allowing the ball sack to hang loose and air dry at night helps.
It might also be a case of contact dermatitis. Consider what you used to scrub your balls and clean up after sex.
For all you guys that hate latex there is a somewhat new condom on the market, well new for me.
Durex was the 1st to come out with a no latex model but after a few field tests it just did not come up to standard. It just kills the mojo, if you get my drift.
This condom comes in a very handy 3 pack as big as, and a little thicker than a credit card, which fits nicely into ones wallet, pocket, pouch etc, etc.
As for the feel,well you will just have to buy and try.
Attached is a photo of the package and the name is Unique and made in Colombia which in itself is interesting.
If you’re getting jock itch a lot or it hangs in there far too long you might want to get your blood sugar level checked. It is quite common for diabetics to have continual fungus infections.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Jock itch can be hard to cure on the balls even with a prescription strength anti-fungal cream. It requires religious application of the cream for as much as 14 days. The balls must be kept clean, dry and sweat free. If your job requires you to move around a lot this will be no easy task. Allowing the ball sack to hang loose and air dry at night helps.
It might also be a case of contact dermatitis. Consider what you used to scrub your balls and clean up after sex.[/QUOTE]
Avoid seeing any lady who uses olive oil or baby oil as her lubricant, the chance of a condom break rises astronomically. Also avoid BBBJ at all costs. I just can't see how that activity can be safe for either parties.
Thanks for those who offered helpful advise and sorry for not follow up. Been working like a dog. I checked with a doctor in HK a few days after posting. According to him it's nothing. Just a small skin rash. In fact by the time I saw him it really wasn't showing up. He gave me some anti-fungal cream and I've been applying. Seems everything is back to normal.
On the other hand, just to be sure I would still like to get some blood work done. Just need to stop traveling long enough to get it done.
Can you get HIV from BBBJ? Just wondering how safe is BBBJ, because ladies here always provide BBBJ, they don't do CBJ. Once I asked a lady to do CBJ and she thought I was crazy.
A man receiving oral sex is generally not at risk, because that person is coming into contact only with saliva. But a man can get HIV from BBBJ (oral sex without condom) if there are open sores on his penis and the woman with HIV. HIV cannot go through the skin unless there are open sores or bleeding cuts. In general, oral sex is much less risky for HIV transmission than anal or vaginal intercourse. Always use a condom.
[QUOTE=Chris Jent]Can you get HIV from BBBJ? Just wondering how safe is BBBJ, because ladies here always provide BBBJ, they don't do CBJ. Once I asked a lady to do CBJ and she thought I was crazy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Damon Pythias]A man receiving oral sex is generally not at risk, because that person is coming into contact only with saliva. But a man can get HIV from BBBJ (oral sex without condom) if there are open sores on his penis and the woman with HIV. HIV cannot go through the skin unless there are open sores or bleeding cuts. In general, oral sex is much less risky for HIV transmission than anal or vaginal intercourse. Always use a condom.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your info. Appreaciate it.
Play safe guys.
Intercourse (vaginal or anal) without a condom is not safe. Any practice which involves contact with cuts, sores or raw areas is not safe. Remember, even small or microscopic cuts can be dangerous.
Kissing is probably safe if neither person has cuts or sores. There may be some slight risk from saliva.
Low-risk practices.
Fellatio without condom (Risk of HIV infection to insertive partner is extremely low, risk to receptive partner is increased if ejaculation occurs in mouth.)
Cunnilingus without a latex dam
Anilingus without a latex dam
Anal intercourse with condom (with proper use of condom, including placing latex condom on penis prior to any penetration, and using ample amounts of water-based or nonpetroleum-based lubrication with latex condoms)
Anal or vaginal penetration with the hand with latex gloves
The most important ways to reduce your risk are:
Keep your partner's body fluids out of your body. The body fluids to be most careful about are blood, vaginal fluids, and the discharge from sores caused by sexually transmitted infections.
There is new hope for us who dont like to use condoms. Scientists have tested a new microbicide for aplication inside the vagina, which may be sold soon. For those who understand Science-talk. Those of us, who don`t, may google for better explaining articles.
url: [url]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature04055.html#top[/url] /url
Quote:
Protection of macaques from vaginal SHIV challenge by vaginally delivered inhibitors of virus–cell fusion (title)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) continues to spread, principally by heterosexual sex, but no vaccine is available1. Hence, alternative prevention methods are needed to supplement educational and behavioural-modification programmes. One such approach is a vaginal microbicide: the application of inhibitory compounds before intercourse2. Here, we have evaluated the microbicide concept using the rhesus macaque 'high dose' vaginal transmission model with a CCR5-receptor-using simian–human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV-162P3) and three compounds that inhibit different stages of the virus–cell attachment and entry process. These compounds are BMS-378806, a small molecule that binds the viral gp120 glycoprotein and prevents its attachment to the CD4 and CCR5 receptors3, 4, CMPD167, a small molecule that binds to CCR5 to inhibit gp120 association5, and C52L, a bacterially expressed peptide inhibitor of gp41-mediated fusion6. In vitro, all three compounds inhibit infection of T cells and cervical tissue explants, and C52L acts synergistically with CMPD167 or BMS-378806 to inhibit infection of cell lines. In vivo, significant protection was achieved using each compound alone and in combinations. CMPD167 and BMS-378806 were protective even when applied 6 h before challenge. UNQUOTE
I agree with Damon but totally not with Cohiba.
I can't believe people that so easily dimiss a danger so great as a STD with a simple "for those of us who dont like to use condoms".
For those of you that like playin Russian Roulette... boy are you guys brave.
Although remember that there is always a bullet in the cylinder, so the chance of getting it is always there.
[QUOTE=Cohiba99]There is new hope for us who dont like to use condoms. Scientists have tested a new microbicide for aplication inside the vagina, which may be sold soon. For those who understand Science-talk. Those of us, who don`t, may google for better explaining articles.
url: [url]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nature04055.html#top[/url] /url
Quote:
Protection of macaques from vaginal SHIV challenge by vaginally delivered inhibitors of virus–cell fusion (title)
Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) continues to spread, principally by heterosexual sex, but no vaccine is available1. Hence, alternative prevention methods are needed to supplement educational and behavioural-modification programmes. One such approach is a vaginal microbicide: the application of inhibitory compounds before intercourse2. Here, we have evaluated the microbicide concept using the rhesus macaque 'high dose' vaginal transmission model with a CCR5-receptor-using simian–human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV-162P3) and three compounds that inhibit different stages of the virus–cell attachment and entry process. These compounds are BMS-378806, a small molecule that binds the viral gp120 glycoprotein and prevents its attachment to the CD4 and CCR5 receptors3, 4, CMPD167, a small molecule that binds to CCR5 to inhibit gp120 association5, and C52L, a bacterially expressed peptide inhibitor of gp41-mediated fusion6. In vitro, all three compounds inhibit infection of T cells and cervical tissue explants, and C52L acts synergistically with CMPD167 or BMS-378806 to inhibit infection of cell lines. In vivo, significant protection was achieved using each compound alone and in combinations. CMPD167 and BMS-378806 were protective even when applied 6 h before challenge. UNQUOTE[/QUOTE]
It's still there but the clinic insist it isn't STD.
They told me to stop using hydrocortisone creme & I am using homeopathic creme from health food store, seems to be working.
Also little johnson was only half mast for awhile but tried stuff from health food stores. Worked good. Homeopathic male virility spray (with testoserone) vit E, and ginseng.
I was drunk with a WL at LOS, and both of us went down to business upon reaching the room. Though not a good excuse, alcohol couples with sexual excitement is a potent combination: We did it bare that night.
2 weeks later I beginning to have STD symptoms: pain when passing water and discharge from penis which point to a classic case of Chlamydia, and the subsequent full STD test confirms it. The infection is easy to treat with an one-day dose of Zithromax which I just had few days ago.
Still, my advice is to use the condom whenever, wherever. The experience is not a good one, especially for going through 4 weeks of anxiety, pain during urination, and learning of the test result from the doctor (going to the clinic IS as stressful as it gets).
Kick ass and be cool, :D
Kaki
Hi everybody,
apologies if the question has been asked & answered countless times on this folder, or if there is no sure answer to give. I'll try asking anyway: what are the chances for a guy to contract AIDS or hepatitis by having condom-protected sex with a hooker?
I have - let's say so - a covenant with my wife that I am only going to have oral sex with other women because she is frightened by sexually contracted deseases. I have kept my word to her in all circumstances, but I am growing a bit tired of this particular limitation, all the more so because in my country street walkers are starting to charge the same fee for BJs and BJ + intercourse. :-(
Besides, I am questioning her wisdom: is there any *significant* chance that I get infected by having protected intercourse? Are AIDS and all (or some) kinds of hepatitis transmissible through the vaginal fluids that may come in contact with the unprotected basis of penis during pelvic activity, or even through minor (perhaps invisible) cuts all over the woman's body? Obviously, I do not plan to have intercourse with addicts and such, but I wouldn't mind getting a complete service with some of the better-looking, higher-echelon hookers once in a time.
Is there any reasonably definite answer to my question? Any web site I can visit to improve my level of information? All sites I was able to google tend to be somewhat evasive: "condom decreases risk, but..."; "you should never have unprotected sex, even if no level of protection can fully guarantee...". I realize that absolute certainty is not of this world, but I am looking for some circumstantial advice from an aknowledgable person marking the boundaries of probability, in order for me and my wife to come to a rational decision.
Thanks in advance for any help and please keep up the excellent discussion! :-)
Viator
usually my friends always ask me to do cbj but i am not afraid and always ask the ladies to do the bbbj. my last fj in hc, after bbbj, i experience itchiness in the urinary track whenever i pass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]. i am so afraid and shy to see doctor. the weird thing is the itchiness seems to come from the location where the testicle tube and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] track from bladder, so what the hack, i just masturbate to let the sperm come out. guess what, it was cured. still don't know whether this is std. in my mind i want to do cbj, but my little "brother" wants to feel the real lips. every time i do bbbj, i have mixture of feeling.
[quote=freshcum]usually my friends always ask me to do cbj but i am not afraid and always ask the ladies to do the bbbj. my last fj in hc, after bbbj, i experience itchiness in the urinary track whenever i pass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]. i am so afraid and shy to see doctor. the weird thing is the itchiness seems to come from the location where the testicle tube and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] track from bladder, so what the hack, i just masturbate to let the sperm come out. guess what, it was cured. still don't know whether this is std. in my mind i want to do cbj, but my little "brother" wants to feel the real lips. every time i do bbbj, i have mixture of feeling.[/quote]non specific gonheraea, i am sorry to tell you but thats my opinion, see a doctor soon!
However you can get HPV even with a condom, HPV is the most common STD and most of the time not very serious but your wife should get an exam because it can lead to cervical cancer.
I was a fairly active hobbyist for about 3 years. During this time, I may have engaged in 50-60 sex acts. All vaginal intercourse was covered. I gave bare cunnilingus 2 or 3 times; rimjobs many times. I have read on reputable medical sites that it is virtually impossible to contract HIV these ways. I have also received a few BBBJs, but I've also read that getting HIV that way is nearly impossible.
I stopped mongering shortly after I got married (had 2 or 3 rounds after the wedding--it was a hard habit to break, but I did it).
Now I had had unprotected sex of every variety with my wife prior to our wedding, while I was still mongering. I felt it was legit to do so since I was protected with the workers. I might also add that I only did lingerie models, a few asian masage girls, and only one "street" walker one time--that's the only I'm most worried about, even though it was covered.
I have absolutely no symptoms of any STD, but I'm a worrier. I am quite overweight and so is my wife.
However, here is the issue: My wife has recently experienced a rather radical weight loss. She was well over 300 pounds at one point, and has since lost about 60 pounds. We don't know the timeframe of her weight loss, but one day she got on the scale and weighed 60 pounds less than her all time high of a few years ago.
She has NOT been actively dieting or exercising--although her eating habits have changed. Her weight loss is therefore not "unexplained," but rather "hard to believe." She's had a new job for awhile that keeps her away from snacking, etc. Her exercise increase is 0.
I have NOT lost any weight at all during this time. I feel fine. She feels healthier than ever.
Is weight loss alone a symptom?
I know someone's going to say: Get tested. Easy to say. Others can do it. I don't think I really have reason to be scared, but I am scared to death of getting tested. I have not engaged in any unsafe behavior--the most dangerous has been protected vaginal sex.
Tell me: Do I need to be worried?
Has anyone used both Kimono Micro-thins and Beyond 7 condoms? If so, which do you prefer and why?
I have been using Kimono micro-thins for a while, but am looking for something that is even thinner with even more sensitivity. Have heard good things about Beyond 7, but they are pricy. Should I switch to Beyond 7 or stick with the micro-thins? Thanks.
Might be from adult onset (Type II) Diabetes. She should go in for a physical and get a blood test. She was at risk based on her weight for developing Type II Diabetes. Other symptoms include dry mouth/thirsty, frequent urination, etc. BTW, not the end of the world if she does have Type II Diabetes. Can be managed with diet, exercise and oral meds. But will need to be monitored and managed. You can do more research on this on the internet.
Thought this might interest some of you guys :
FRIDAY, Jan. 6 (HealthDay News) -- New research suggests that the gonorrhea-like condition known as urethritis, perhaps the most common sexually transmitted disease, can spread to men when they're on the receiving end of fellatio.
"This one really nails it down," said Dr. Hunter Handsfield, a professor of medicine at the University of Washington who wrote a commentary about the findings.
Urethritis, a condition related to a number of health problems, such as urinary tract infections and some sexually transmitted diseases, causes inflammation of the urethra. It can lead to genital discharge, burning during urination and redness and swelling at the tip of the penis, said Dr. Jeffrey D. Klausner, director of STD Prevention and Control Services with the San Francisco Department of Public Health. The symptoms "usually signify an infection due to a germ, like a bacteria or virus," he said.
Urethritis usually goes away on its own or is easily treated with antibiotics, Klausner said. But in some cases, it can result in serious complications, including permanent damage to the urethra in both men and women, especially if it's not treated.
According to Handsfield, urethritis brings more men to sexually transmitted disease clinics in the United States than any other condition or disease, and it may be the most common STD among both men and women.
In the new study, Australian researchers recruited 329 men with urethritis symptoms that weren't related to gonorrhea and 307 healthy men. The researchers tested the men and asked them about their sexual habits.
About five percent of the cases were directly related to germs from the mouth, including adenoviruses and a form of herpes. The researchers also found that urethritis without an apparent cause was more common in men who were on the receiving end of oral sex from their female or male partners.
The study findings appear in the Dec. 28 online edition of the Journal of Infectious Diseases.
The research points to the potential influence of normally innocuous germs in the mouth, Handsfield said. "It suggests that some of these cases might be due to bacteria that are entirely normal when they're in the mouth but cause inflammation in the urethra."
This also suggests that men shouldn't assume that getting a case of urethritis from a partner is a sign that she or he has been unfaithful, Handsfield said. The urethritis may have simply come from normal mouth germs.
By contrast, there's no evidence that urethritis is easily passed to women during cunnilingus, Handsfield said. In fact, he said, cunnilingus seems to be safer when it comes to STD transmission than fellatio.
What does the urethritis finding mean for sexually active men? "Men who receive oral sex need to be concerned about STDs and talk to their doctor about what screening tests might be appropriate or how to reduce their risk for getting infections," Klausner said.
While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.
I realized it just when I came out, so I have been fucking her for about 2 minutes with my glandis in contact with her vagina and sexual fluid.
I immediately washed it carefully with plenty of soap and water, I pissed, and I watched and carefully examinated my penis: no any sign of little scares, or cuts, or wounds or red skin, the skin was normal as usual.
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?
What the risk to get other diseases?
Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
Actually I'm quite sure that, as all the skin of my penis was perfectly intact, there is no way HIV could have been transmitted to me, but who knows?
Have you been tested for HIV?
If all of your encounters have been protected, it is highly unlikely (to the extreme) that you would have been infected.
The ongoing blurb about condoms is that they are 97% effective - but what does that mean in the real world of statistics? The other 3% covers 1. Breakage. 2. Improper use. 3. People who lie or don't remember exactly what happened in a sexual encounter because they were too drunk or were not paying attention closely enough (like "Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I also had unprotected anal"). 4. The moral majority stance of this very fucked-up US government that really would prefer that no one engages in sex of any kind.
Can you be infected via small cuts, etc.? Theoretically, but the studies that try to recreate this in a laboratory setting are using conservative examples with fluids that are many times more infectious and in quantities that are well beyond what would be present in real life. HIV likes to be injected in an enclosed environment, and that is why vaginal and anal receptive sex are the two riskiest forms of unprotected sex. HIV, unlike many other STD's does not live outside of it's host, and is therefore the most fragile of all.
The reason that straight males have such a hard time contracting HIV is that the virus basically needs to enter through their urethra. Now, think about that - even if you were having unprotected sex with a known HIV+
person, enough of her infectious fluids would have to be pounded into that tiny slit at the end of your dick and somehow make their way into your system before you flushed everything out with a big exploding load of cum.
Check out a couple of forums - [url]www.thebody.com[/url] and [url]www.aidsmeds.com[/url]. Especially the "Fears" section of Aidsmeds. Ask them your question and I think you will start to feel a lot better real soon.
[QUOTE=Boberati]The reason that straight males have such a hard time contracting HIV is that the virus basically needs to enter through their urethra. Now, think about that - even if you were having unprotected sex with a known HIV+
person, enough of her infectious fluids would have to be pounded into that tiny slit at the end of your dick and somehow make their way into your system before you flushed everything out with a big exploding load of cum.[/QUOTE]Misinformed idiocy like this is precisely the reason that anyone with concerns should get tested and only read (or listen to) authoritative opinion.
There is more than one way in which the HIV virus can infect a male, some studies have suggested it may enter through the exposed foreskin of an intact (ie: non-circumcised) penis. There are other possibilites, the ONLY truth is that no-one is completely sure.
Boberati, handing out your "opinion" as fact is not only ill advised, it is also incredibly irresponsible and clearly demonstrates you have no regard for anything even resembling safe sex.
I suggest you either 1.) state that your posts are only your opinions or 2.) keep your "opinions" to yourself.
I am considering posting a FACT of my own here, but with all the bigotry going on I will have to give this more consideration.
HTH HAND,
BBBonker.
Oh, and precisely what wisdom does a dumb **** like yourself have to offer regarding HIV transmission after having claimed to bareback more than a thousand SW's over your illustrious "career"?
SO, what is it? - you have now found some minute speck of intelligence and feel compelled to dole out your own scientific "facts"?
Unless you have not noticed shit-for-brains, all of these posts are "opinions", just as are yours. But thanks very much for pointing out the obvious. By the way, what you mentioned (if you even bothered to read my complete post) has no bearing on HIV transmission if the person is wearing a condom, which was actually the whole point of my post and the one that I was responding to.
Now get on with your hagged-out dried-up life you pencil-dicked bag of rotting flesh!
(For those unfamiliar with this lovely gentleman, check out the Cambodia Picture Gallery for a more complete image)
[QUOTE=Boberati]Oh, and precisely what wisdom does a dumb **** like yourself have to offer regarding HIV transmission after having claimed to bareback more than a thousand SW's over your illustrious "career"?[/QUOTE]"Wisdom", none, but then I never professed to. I offered "experience" as you outlined above which is true and relevant to this forum.
[QUOTE=Boberati]SO, what is it? - you have now found some minute speck of intelligence and feel compelled to dole out your own scientific "facts"?[/QUOTE]I have no idea what you are talking about.
[QUOTE=Boberati]Unless you have not noticed shit-for-brains....[/QUOTE]*yawn*
[QUOTE=Boberati]Now get on with your hagged-out dried-up life you pencil-dicked bag of rotting flesh!
(For those unfamiliar with this lovely gentleman, check out the Cambodia Picture Gallery for a more complete image)[/QUOTE]And you call me offensive? LOL! What was it you said?
[QUOTE=Boberati] I won't judge you .... you douchebag[/QUOTE]Also...
[QUOTE=Boberati] Not that morals are really a big part of this forum, but do you ever think about the fact that, at some point, you WILL become infected with HIV and not know it, and then go on spreading a deadly disease to the destitute women that you somehow convince to have unprotected sex with? [/QUOTE]And...[QUOTE=Boberati] However, this stupid assmuncher would never see it in the Safe Sex forum, as he clearly has no regard for anything even resembling safe sex. If there is a shred of truth to what he is saying, he is not only a danger to himself and the women that he may be infecting, but quite possibly to others who frequent this website.[/QUOTE]Not exactly NICE yourself, are you? And I am still waiting for an explanation or answer to my question; If I am CLEAR and NO LONGER MONGERING, how can I be a danger to anyone?
Well? Will you answer, or hide away?
You accused me twice of being a danger to others and yet in reality, I am less of a danger than you or just about anyone else on this forum because I am no longer "mongering".
The truth is, you and your cronies in the "Cambodia Picture Gallery" are a bunch of BIGOTED idiots and THUGS.
Show me where it was stated that you "are no longer mongering" in your original post about barebacking in the Cambodia thread - I can't find it anywhere. As well, who says you are clear? As I asked you before, when was your last encounter and how much time elapsed from that until you tested for HIV?
Hi Guys,
I am an Escort who, although from the Uk, is now living in the Dordogne area of France.I have read many threads and have found that its not just me that cant get what i want lol.I am looking to Escort nice, Polite Buissness men who come to visit, and need a lovely lady on there arm when wining and dining or attending functions etc. Could anyone here help or give out any information as to why its so lovely, but quiet here?
Starling.
I answered your question, the post appeared and then disappeared 24 hours later, deleted I assume, by a Mod. I have seen your handle appear on the home page every day and I am sure you would have seen my reply before it was deleted however, just to make sure:
It is at least a year (ie: twelve months) since I was last exposed to any risk. In fact, I'd say that it's probably more like 18 months.
I stated this three days ago and in doing so also made it fairly obvious that I'm no longer mongering, as for me, mongering would always be "risky".
It is people like you who restrict the flow of genuine information, offered freely and with respect, due entirely to your responses. My OP (Report) is still available along with other relevant information I was ready to share, but while BIGOTS like you, 1Ball, Adjarn and Stew2 around, it will remain archived.
My browser has been left open for the past couple of weeks on one of my computers, which apparently keeps me signed into this site whether I am actively looking at it or not. I did not see your post where you stated you stopped mongering 18 months ago, or whatever it was.
Anyway, congratulations, on coming up clear after doing whatever it was you said you were doing. I am still not sure how useful this information will be to anyone, except that you apparently beat some amazing odds (perhaps you possess the Delta-32 gene mutation that prevents you from contracting HIV) - clearly there are many others that have been considerably less fortunate. And it would be extremely ill-advised that anyone would actually follow your lead unless they had some kind of death wish.
But hey, all is not lost between us - For one thing, I am quite certain that I actually despise George Bush (and his putzy British counterpart Tony Blair) even more than you do. Go figure.
The best and safest sex is what you have with a teenager when you convince her that swallowing cum and taking it deep in the ass with a condom will preserve her virginity and keep her disease free.
Hi Bro! Anyone can advise on this...
I've 1 nite session with a girl whom I met at a pub. We've kissing, oral sex without condom but I didnt even lick her intimate parts and FJ with condom. After the session, I cleaned myself whole body with soap & dettol. The next day, I felt some little itchiness on my both arms,hands & feet but the other parts of my body are very fine. No rashes on my penis and groins after 4 days but the itchiness still got on my arms. Does this mean I got "something"? Or just I've been bitten by the bed mites?
Pls advise, Thank you!
You´re probably alergic to dettol.
Hey Guys,
A couple of months ago I made a post about Listerine and Iodine as a way to clean up after you've had sex with a girl. ( rinse your mouth with Listerine, use a wash cloth or paper towel damp with Iodine to clean your privates.) Iodine is the perfect antiseptic to clean your privates because for most people it doesn't hurt like rubbing alcohol but it is incredibly effective at killing germs. You can buy Listerine and Iodine in any drugstore. It's a good idea to use a washcloth to smear Iodine on your privates after you've hooked up with a scanky chick and she is gone. The only problem with Iodine is it stains like crazy so you should probably do it in the shower after sex and then wash up 2 times with regular soap and water. For more detailed instructions read my previous post.
Anyway, I'm surprised my Listerine + Iodine solution hasn't gotten more play on the international sex guide site. If you rinse thoroughly with Listerine and Iodine after sex, it will DRAMATICALLY reduce your risk of getting a venereal disease from a girl.
I still encourage condoms and other barrier methods of contraception.
Just remember - LISTERINE AND IODINE - it could save your life someday!
Later,
jadedmd
PS Just make sure you're not one of the .00000001 % of people who are allergic to iodine before you use it.
I am curious to know if anyone has had any experience with contracting a disease of any kind while using a condom.
It seems to me that the condom offers great protection from those bugs transmitted through fluids, but I wonder about skin to skin contact such as that around the balls where they touch against a woman. HPV? Herpes?
Any experiences?
Against Herpes a condom wont do anything.
Hi everyone,
I'm new to this forum and new to the so called mongering sport. Anyway, I can't say my first experience has been a very good one. Last night I ordered an Escort in London. One of the 150/200 price range. Anyway, she was Spanish and I can't say she was very appealing. She told me she has been here for a month and will be leaving again next week (she doesnt like the weather lol).
She performed BBBJ (wasn't that good to be honest) for a very long time. Eventually I did put on a condom and must of given her a few vaginal thrusts until I just went dead, like I said she wasn't very appealing. She persisted on doing more oral until finally I managed to release.
In the end, I got the feeling that if she were in Spain she looks like someone who could definetely be doing the streets, would London Escort agencies require her to provide STD tests before joining their ranks ? This girl is showcased on around 3/4 different escort sites.
Any signs I could pay attention to on the day after ? As a first timer it would be horrible if I caught anything, but again as a first timer my conscience is more susceptible to play more tricks on me. By the way, I showered thoroughly right after she left and cleansed the "head" with my usual Aquas Cream, and a couple of hours later (from reading this thread) I applied the alcohol spirit lol.
Thanks
Anyone had experience with this? Just been on market in mainland china since nov 05.
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur][IMG]It even beats Durex Avanti (50 microns thick) at a world class 15 microns thick![/QUOTE]
How, exactly, did you find this out? Is this information reliable? If so, I'm going to try them. This means that the Durex Avanti is more than 3 times thicker than the Pasante. So far the best condom I've used is the Trojan Supra, at least as far as feeling that you're doing it bareback; I'd like to know it's thickness, if you know. The Durex Avanti is a close second.
After reading your post. I went to the Pasante website, [url]www.pasante.com[/url]. It appears that they can be ordered from the UK. I went to Undercover Condoms, my usual source, but they don't carry them.
Thanks for providing valuable information.
Lorenzo
If you look closey to the picture provided by vince, you can read out the address lovehoney.co.uk
Looks like a british site where you can order these condoms.
Regards,
Sub
I'm not an MD, but I agree with your recommendation of listerine as a mouth wash after DATY, but I thought hydrogen peroxide was just as effective as iodine in dis-infecting your private areas after BB-Sex, and without the orange stain?
reports show that listerine is just as effective, and perhaps more so, as iodine- why not wipe listerine on the skin?
a canadian defence study on destroying bacteria on diving equipment found listerine was best:
"virus: exposure to listerine for 30secs is antiviral against herpes simplex, type 1, herpes simplex 2 and influenza a. completely inhibited hiv in 30 sec, and is able to kill methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureaus (mrsa) in 30 sec.
bacteria: listerine kills staphylococcus aureaus completely after 30sec. kills staphylococcus mitis, mycobacterium smegmatis and m bovis in 20 min. most of 54 bacterial strains die after 30 sec.
fungi: kills candida albicans in 20 min."
iodine is also available as betadine surgical scrub as used in surgical procedures. it also comes as a gargle and mouthwash, as well as a skin
cleanser. about iodine:
"iodine compounds include tincture of iodine and povidone iodine compounds (betadine). iodine compounds have the broadest spectrum of all topical anti-infectives, with action against bacteria, fungi, viruses, spores, protozoa, and yeasts. iodine tincture (the staining stuff) is highly effective, but its alcoholic component is drying and extremely irritating when applied to abraided (scraped or rubbed) skin. povidone iodine, an organic compound, is less irritating and less toxic, but not as effective. povidone iodine has been used for hand scrubs and disinfection of surgical sites. aqueous solutions of iodine have also been used as antiseptic agents, but are less effective than alcoholic solutions and less convenient to use that the povidone iodine compounds."
this bring me back to using listerine as a wash. any takers?
al
Guys,
It happened to me that when I was hard f...ing a great SW in Kiev a couple of months ago, I realized at the end that my condom had just exploded.
When I came back to Paris the day after, I rushed into an emergency center and asked for the emergency treatment. If you do it whithin 48 hours and really follow the treatment during one month, the risk of getting contaminated by HIV is close to 0.
However, after one month of treatment, you will never again want to take such risk ! It is just a nightmare !
Enjoy
Peter Kin
Thanks for an excellent and informative report.
Regards, Havanaman
I posted in the US board originally but thought it would help some people here as well.
I had the unfortunate honor of catching something from BJ, actually BBBJ. I went to Malaysia in March and had several sessions with locals and Filipinas. I covered up for the main event every time but got BBBJ's from all girls.
About 6 weeks after I got back I got this flu like symptom and got a big pimple right below my balls. At first I thought it was Herpes since I had no knowledge about STD's. I was freaking out. I was going to ruin my life I thought.
After reading million pages of articles on STD's I sort figured out what it was and went to a clinic to get checked out. It turns out I was right. It was Lymphogranuloma Venereum, which is common in tropical and subtropical countries. Obviously I don't know which one it was since I had 5 girls in 6 days.
According to one report it is very rare in the states, affects mostly gay men having anal sex. So I was one of those very unlucky heterosexual men that caught it from BJ. Talk about being a close call...I didn't have to get my significant other involved in this as we didn't have sex during that time. She would have literally killed me.
I got tested for syphllis and HIV also. Those came back negative. So be careful out there. I am going to be very careful and take care of myself. Everything covered including BJ's and thourough washing before and after. I may use listerine to rinse my mouth and dick as it apparently kills jerms according to some monger's report.
[QUOTE=Stevelee333]I posted in the US board originally but thought it would help some people here as well.
I had the unfortunate honor of catching something from BJ, actually BBBJ. I went to Malaysia in March and had several sessions with locals and Filipinas. I covered up for the main event every time but got BBBJ's from all girls.
About 6 weeks after I got back I got this flu like symptom and got a big pimple right below my balls. At first I thought it was Herpes since I had no knowledge about STD's. I was freaking out. I was going to ruin my life I thought.
After reading million pages of articles on STD's I sort figured out what it was and went to a clinic to get checked out. It turns out I was right. It was Lymphogranuloma Venereum, which is common in tropical and subtropical countries. Obviously I don't know which one it was since I had 5 girls in 6 days.
According to one report it is very rare in the states, affects mostly gay men having anal sex. So I was one of those very unlucky heterosexual men that caught it from BJ. Talk about being a close call...I didn't have to get my significant other involved in this as we didn't have sex during that time. She would have literally killed me.
I got tested for syphllis and HIV also. Those came back negative. So be careful out there. I am going to be very careful and take care of myself. Everything covered including BJ's and thourough washing before and after. I may use listerine to rinse my mouth and dick as it apparently kills jerms according to some monger's report.[/QUOTE]Are you OK now ? Were the cure effective against this nasty thingie?
Thanks for asking. I'm fine now. Had to suffer through 21 days of anti-biotics. No more symptoms.
Does anyone have any idea what this girl has? It seems like a few very small pimples here and there. The pic is from the Bangladesh forum.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40059[/url]
I am now 36, and have been actively mongering since I was about 18, and really active since I turned 30 years. I have had sex with about 500 women in my life.
Say 450 prostitutes, 30 swinging women, and about 20 one-night stands and girlfriends.
I have had bareback with most of the one-night stands and girlfriends. I have also had bareback with 5 or 6 prostitutes. This was foolish behaviour that I would hope not to partake in again. I have always been concerned about STDS, and have had regular tests and scans over years, and to date the only thing I have caught is genital warts and they were from a brief girlfriend who happens to be a serious slag. To date I have never contracted an STD from a prostitute, and I have performed oral sex on most of these women. I have licked many of their anuses as well, which is one of my fetishes. I have also had BBBJs from about half the women.
I went for an STD scan today, and will have the results in about three weeks. I don’t expect any problems and I am not suffering from any symptoms. I only had the scan because it is nearly 2 years since my last scan, and in that time I have sex with over 100 women, so I am concerned about things like chlamydia, which can be picked up from oral sex. Another STD that can be picked up from oral sex, in particular from licking the anus is Hepatitis B.
When I went for the scan today I decided to ask the nurse about Hepatitis and the possibility of getting a course of Hepatitis B shots, which is provided free in this clinic but would cost well over €200 from a private practitioner.
So I said to her:
"I am a little concerned about getting Hep B from performing Oral sex."
To which she replied and I knew she would say this: "Hep B isn’t really a big risk in oral sex"
"Ah but I also tend to lick the woman’s anus as well as the vagina” I proudly said.
She went slightly red, and then said
"And you are not bisexual or Gay??"
"NO I am not, I can assure you!!" I exclaimed
“Well yes there is some Hep B risk from performing oral sex on someone’s anus, so it would be a good idea to have a Hep B vaccination.”
So I will be going for my Hep B jabs in August, and when I lick women’s anuses in the future I can say to myself “Well at least I cant get Hep B form this!!!!”
[QUOTE=Wan King]I am now 36, and have been actively mongering since I was about 18, and really active since I turned 30 years. I have had sex with about 500 women in my life.
Say 450 prostitutes, 30 swinging women, and about 20 one-night stands and girlfriends.
“Well yes there is some Hep B risk from performing oral sex on someone’s anus, so it would be a good idea to have a Hep B vaccination.”
So I will be going for my Hep B jabs in August, and when I lick women’s anuses in the future I can say to myself “Well at least I cant get Hep B form this!!!!”[/QUOTE]
I've posted before in the Bangkok report thread last year and I think worth repeating here.
Get both your Hep A (two shot regimen, months 1 and 6) and B vaccine at the same time.
Trust me, worth the effort and money.
I already have Hep A thanks.
Here are my stats:
I have had sex with about 250 women from 40 different countries. Wan King, you did better than me, I started active mongering only since 5 years, even if I was 17 for my first mongering experience (bareback sex, this was usual even with pro before AIDS appeared). About 20 of these women where bareback with non pros about 15 years ago. Since 5 years, I had bareback sex once with a pro, BBBJ with 50%, DATY with 30% and DFK with 70% of the 230 pro. I am vaccinated against HEP A and B. I am concerned about hygiene for both before and after sex. I have never had any sympton, so I never went for medical HIV/STD check before. I did a complete HIV, HEP and STD medical check two weeks ago (because of the bareback sex I mentioned before), and everything was OK. Just facts, I don't try to prove anything with this.
Keep safe everybody.
It's not how many girls you've fxxx, it's NOT how long you've been mongering, BUT it is how long you've enjoyed GOOD HEALTH.
I don't know (nor counted) how many women for me, started when I was 25 and now 55....For me it's always been quality not quantity :)
Everyone be safe, live long and healthy lives.
IMHO
Guys,
I posted this in Sri Lanka forum. Re-posting same matter in the safe sex forum.
"I had a bbbj session with a gal few weeks ago and cum in her mouth. Is there any HIV or any other risk with this. Can someone please advice me on this matter?"
Ana
[QUOTE=Anarkali]Guys,
I posted this in Sri Lanka forum. Re-posting same matter in the safe sex forum.
"I had a bbbj session with a gal few weeks ago and cum in her mouth. Is there any HIV or any other risk with this. Can someone please advice me on this matter?"
Ana[/QUOTE]
For what it's worth, both my doc (of 20 yrs and infectious disease specialist) and CDC say 'yes', one can contract HIV through oral transmission.
The good news: risk is relatively small, unlike going BB. If you're nervous, get yourself tested...but chances are fairly small.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Does anyone have any idea what this girl has? It seems like a few very small pimples here and there. The pic is from the Bangladesh forum.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40059[/url][/QUOTE]
In my opinion this Bangladesh girl has Molluscum. Here's a decription from a
Medical Encyclopedia.
"Molluscum contagiosum is a viral skin infection that causes raised, pearl-like papules or nodules on the skin. ... may spread by sexual contact. Molluscum is generally seen on the genitals as a sexually ... these lesions are painless. Molluscum produces no serious illness."
I've just been through treatment sessions for genital warts which I suspect
I picked up from a (no-nonsense) massage place in Langawi/Malaysia. I don't known why there isn't more hygene at massage parlours - such as the massure washing her hands first thing, and that all patrons should shower before laying down for a massage.
Here is a story about a favorite topic on this forum, condom use and its effectiveness.
Do condoms reduce the risk of STDs, including HIV?
Not always. Even though it makes sense that preventing direct skin-to-skin (or vaginal mucosa) contact during intercourse would prevent viruses, bacteria and sperm from passing between partners, warnings about condom effectiveness prevail. Condoms are certainly not foolproof when it comes to contraception. If 100 women and their partners use condoms for a year in what is described as “perfect use,” two will become pregnant. With “typical use” (not used consistently or correctly) 15 women will become pregnant. This “typical use” failure rate is rarely due to a faulty condom, but rather to faulty application or no application. (Note, condoms in the U.S. are electronically tested for holes and defects and serial lots are tested for strength.)
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13999099/[/url]
[QUOTE=Anarkali]Guys,
I posted this in Sri Lanka forum. Re-posting same matter in the safe sex forum.
"I had a bbbj session with a gal few weeks ago and cum in her mouth. Is there any HIV or any other risk with this. Can someone please advice me on this matter?"
Ana[/QUOTE]Here is a chart of different activities vs STD type and risk:
[url]http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]
[QUOTE=Wan King]I went for an STD scan today, and will have the results in about three weeks. I don’t expect any problems and I am not suffering from any symptoms. I only had the scan because it is nearly 2 years since my last scan, and in that time I have sex with over 100 women, so I am concerned about things like chlamydia, which can be picked up from oral sex. Another STD that can be picked up from oral sex, in particular from licking the anus is Hepatitis B. [/QUOTE]
Well I got the results back today, and all clear. So as long as you wear a condom for the main event, it would seem it is pretty safe to have sex with prostitutes (assuming they reside in places like Germany and the Netherlands, and that they not really sick looking third world country chicks). Like they say, oral sex is a minimal risk, and trust me I have really sucked the juice out of hundreds of pussies, and pushed my tongue deep into many womens assholes. Also i have received hundreds of BBBJs.
I did start a course of HEP A+B vacinations today, I have to get 2 more shots, next one in four weeks, and another 4 weeks after that. If you are into licking a womans anus, it could be a good idea to get HEP shots, as hepatitis can be passed through fecal matter. The HEP shots are free though the goverment STD clinic where i live but would cost over €200 if I was to get them from a GP.
So if I understand you you had sex only in Germany FKK and Netherlands?
Sun Rise
Recently I have been thinking about the topic of going down on women (working and non-working), and the risks involved.
Yes, I'm also really into giving DATY/eating out and the very occasional rimming to gals.
Anyway, I was wondering if ANYONE had been caught out by this practive and copped an STD? From my reading is seems quite low risk,, but the if I had to mend my ways, I guess I would.
I read somewhere that risk is higher for a girl giving a BBBJ, than a guy going down on a girl?
Also, is there any truth to the effectiveness or usefulness of rinsing out with Listerine/Medicated mouthwash afterwards?? I've been doing this.
I do get a check-up every 6 months or so, and also before entering any long-term "real" relationship.. the last thing u would want is to give anything to a significant other.
Cheers,
FM
[QUOTE=Wan King]Well I got the results back today, and all clear. So as long as you wear a condom for the main event, it would seem it is pretty safe to have sex with prostitutes (assuming they reside in places like Germany and the Netherlands, and that they not really sick looking third world country chicks). Like they say, oral sex is a minimal risk, and trust me I have really sucked the juice out of hundreds of pussies, and pushed my tongue deep into many womens assholes. Also i have received hundreds of BBBJs.
[/QUOTE]
By request from an editor I also post following here (original posted @ China - General Info):
Hi,
It's interesting that most of you think that you only can catch "something" when having sex w/o condom. Don't forget that you also can catch something with oral sex - DATY or BBBJ. I had such "adventure" last year in Northeast China. Sex was with condom, but before it we did DATY and BBBJ. It seems that I caught more than one of these strange asian germs by DATY/BBBJ and I needed a treatment with three medicines.
Referring to my doc it is also possible to catch such germs (microbial strain of chlamydia) by oral sex and these asian germs are very resistent against common medicine. He also mentioned that many people can have such germs w/o any problems, no symptoms of an illness.
Since this I have an emergency kit for such situation consisting of following (as I have them from Europe, I only can give you the european "brand name" and name of the antiviral agent, but some are available worlwide):
A) Zithromax 500mg (Pfizer, [url]http://*******.com/re495[/url]); main germ killer, box with three pills; my treatment were a double shot at once
Be) Tricef 400mg (Merck, Cefixim is the name of the antiviral agent); against a variety of germs; box of three pills; my treatment was a single shot
See) Doxyxylin 200mg (Genericon, Doxyxyline is the name of the antiviaral agent); against a variety of germs; box with ten pills; my treatment was a full box
After starting with see) and three days later (each day one shot), the screenings were becoming normal. Beside this you maybe will have so called "post symptoms" up to two weeks, but as long the screenings are ok no reason to fear anything. The whole treatment was according given recommendation to medical staff and known problems when catching such asian germs.
To treat gonorrhea a simple broad-spectrum antibiotica which treats also gonorrhea (stated in the enclosed information sheet) will be enough. But, when the symptoms will not leave after this, you have to switch to a), be) and see).
DO NOT start a self treatment without consulting a doctor first!
LW
PS: Not mentioning, that after this and the information from my doc the fun level went down.
Slightly off topic but..
Saw an interesting documentry last night about men who have become impotent due to smoking. Many were young men in their 30s.
Apparently the veins and arteries in your penis clog up with fat, making them narrower. Less blood gets into your penis, so you get less of an erection. Or no erection at all.
some of the guys profiled managed to give the cigs and got their erections back which was something.
[url]http://www.stayinghard.info/[/url]
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]has somone tried one of this products?
It might be a substitute for the men`s latex condom.
Better feeling for both? As save as the latex condom?
A revolution in the contraceptive thematic?
I´m not a sponsor or something else to this product, just for discussion and experience.
I don´t know if there are similar products on the market. Here are the links:
[url]www.bcbmcn.com/Products/p_l_01.htm[/url]
[url]www.bcbmcn.com/Products/p_l_02.htm[/url]
I don't think there taht it's protect about aids and other ist ?[/QUOTE]
Vince, this looks exactly like a "liquid condom" I saw for sale in the hotel minibar in China recently (20-ish RMB "tear-up-charge"). The package had some funny wording regarding its usefulness for macaque monkeys (?) having sex, which made me wonder what good it could do in humans.
BTW I like their website's description of another product, the "disinfector lube":
[quote]It can ameliorate dry and flabby ****, can slerilize, can enhance libido and increase large charge . It is external when sex for women. Use it long time can keep **** lunstration and prevent social disease[/quote]
I'm always looking for ways to ameliorate flabby cunts. Keeping the **** lunstrated and steering clear of STD's are added bonuses, I guess ;)
CDC: Test all Americans 13-64 routinely for HIV
Updated 9/21/2006 2:11 PM ET
[quote]ATLANTA (AP) — All Americans between the ages of 13 and 64 should be routinely tested for HIV to help catch infections earlier and stop the spread of the virus linked to AIDS, federal health recommendations announced Thursday say.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said HIV testing should become about as common as a cholesterol check. Nearly half of new HIV infections are discovered when doctors are trying to diagnose a sick patient who has come for care, CDC officials said.
"We know that many HIV infected people seek health care and they don't get tested. And many people are not diagnosed until late in the course of their illness, when they're already sick with HIV-related conditions," said Dr. Timothy Mastro, acting director of the CDC's division of HIV/AIDS prevention.
ON DEADLINE: More information from the CDC
"By identifying people earlier through a screening program, we'll allow them to access life-extending therapy, and also through prevention services, learn how to avoid transmitting HIV infection to others," he said.
The announcement was hailed by some HIV patient advocates and health policy experts. They said the guidelines could help end the stigma of HIV testing and lead to needed care for an estimated 250,000 Americans who don't yet know they have the disease.
"I think it's an incredible advance. I think it's courageous on the part of the CDC," said A. David Paltiel, a health policy expert at the Yale University School of Medicine.
The recommendations aren't legally binding, but they influence what doctors do and what health insurance programs cover.
Some physicians groups predict the recommendations will be challenging to implement, involving new expenditures of money and time for testing, counseling and revising consent procedures.
Some physicians also question whether there is enough evidence to expand testing beyond high-risk groups, said Dr. Larry Fields, the president of the American Academy of Family Physicians.
"Are doctors going to do it? Probably not," Fields said.
But the recommendations were endorsed by the American Medical Association, which urged physicians to comply.
"This is important public health strategy to stop the spread of HIV," Dr. Nancy Nielsen, a Buffalo-based physician who sits on the AMA's governing board, said in a statement.
Previously, the CDC recommended routine testing for those at high-risk for catching the virus, such as intravenous drug users and gay men, and for hospitals and certain other institutions serving areas where HIV is common. It also recommends testing for all pregnant women.
Under the new guidelines, patients would be tested for HIV as part of a standard battery of tests they receive when they go for urgent or emergency care, or even during a routine physical.
Patients wouldn't get tested every year: Repeated, annual testing would only be recommended only for those at high-risk.
There would be no consent form specifically for the HIV test; it would be covered in a clinic or hospital's standard care consent form. Patients would be allowed to decline the testing.
CDC officials have been working on revised recommendations for about three years, and sought input from more than 100 organizations, including doctors' associations and HIV patient advocacy groups. The CDC presented planned revisions at a scientific conference in February.
Since then, the CDC has strengthened language on informed consent to make sure that no one is tested without their knowledge, and emphasized the need for doctors to provide information on HIV tests and the meaning of positive and negative results.[/quote]
For more information:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/healthcare/index.htm[/url]
Can you give the names of the diseases you caught?
[QUOTE=Laowai123]By request from an editor I also post following here (original posted @ China - General Info):
Hi,
It's interesting that most of you think that you only can catch "something" when having sex w/o condom. Don't forget that you also can catch something with oral sex - DATY or BBBJ. I had such "adventure" last year in Northeast China. Sex was with condom, but before it we did DATY and BBBJ. It seems that I caught more than one of these strange asian germs by DATY/BBBJ and I needed a treatment with three medicines.
Referring to my doc it is also possible to catch such germs (microbial strain of chlamydia) by oral sex and these asian germs are very resistent against common medicine. He also mentioned that many people can have such germs w/o any problems, no symptoms of an illness.
Since this I have an emergency kit for such situation consisting of following (as I have them from Europe, I only can give you the european "brand name" and name of the antiviral agent, but some are available worlwide):
A) Zithromax 500mg (Pfizer, [url]http://*******.com/re495[/url]); main germ killer, box with three pills; my treatment were a double shot at once
Be) Tricef 400mg (Merck, Cefixim is the name of the antiviral agent); against a variety of germs; box of three pills; my treatment was a single shot
See) Doxyxylin 200mg (Genericon, Doxyxyline is the name of the antiviaral agent); against a variety of germs; box with ten pills; my treatment was a full box
After starting with see) and three days later (each day one shot), the screenings were becoming normal. Beside this you maybe will have so called "post symptoms" up to two weeks, but as long the screenings are ok no reason to fear anything. The whole treatment was according given recommendation to medical staff and known problems when catching such asian germs.
To treat gonorrhea a simple broad-spectrum antibiotica which treats also gonorrhea (stated in the enclosed information sheet) will be enough. But, when the symptoms will not leave after this, you have to switch to a), be) and see).
DO NOT start a self treatment without consulting a doctor first!
LW
PS: Not mentioning, that after this and the information from my doc the fun level went down.[/QUOTE]
I have been reading this forum and getting info but I never participated in a constructive way. I owe you my brothers this piece of knowledge.
I went to Rio/Brazil a month ago and needless to say the girls there are the sweetest and the most beautiful in the world. I have been all over the world mongering regularly but they are #1. So when you are so attracted you tend to lose your brain and use your lower brain.
All my life I never ever had a BBBJ I always had CBJ. In this instance I go to Sentauros where about 80 stnning girls are displayed for your pleasure and I pick two of them for a double action. We started to kiss the three of us and I got very hot and int he heat of the moment one of them slips down and proceeds to suck my cock while I am kissing the other then the other one joins her and now I am helpless with no will power whatsoever.
My very first BBBJ in my life and wouldn't you know it I come back to the States and at the airport as I am taking a leak I see an ugly discharge. Explain this to my partner. After a long business trip how am I not going to make love to her. To make a long story short I went straight to the STD clinic and found out that I had Ghonorrea and I also had a rash on the tip of my penis which they thought was Herpes so they drew my blood and I had to wait 7 days for the results which turned out negative thank God.
As you can see from one BBBJ from possibly the most beautiful girls that I've seen in my life and the cleanest I got a disease and I could have contracted others like Herpes, Syphilis, Warts etc.
Please let us not brag about getting BBBJ and putting down the girls who insist on using condoms. Happy and safe hunting to all.
I am posting this here as a result of a thread in the China forum.
It's mostly about Chlorhexidine, which one of the members talked about.
Basically, I have just put a few links here for you to view yourselves, except I have not put in all the ones for STIs. Just Google Chlorhexidine sti and read the hits. Seemingly ( no pun intended) it is used to help prevent STIs, and is part of emergency medics' emergency STI kits.
I have used it here for years( Australia) in various jobs, but didn't realise its effectiveness in helping stop you from catching a dose of anything fron chlamydia to herpes, and it has even been suggested for an emergency protocoll for possible HIV infection. Having said that, putting it down your japs eye is something for the extreme masochists. It may help, it will burn like fuck, and it may make matters worse by damaging mucus membranes, so if for example a condom breaks, or you forget to use one, or are too pissed to remember, or you are just too horny, it may be a help to douse the old fellah liberally with it, and have a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ASAP.
It's not a miracle cure, and it should not be thought off as an excuse to act irresponsibly, but if shit happens, it may just give you a head start!
Anyway, here are the links. Oh btw, it's sold by Colgate as 'Savacol' in Aus and NZ, and 'Peridex' I think in the USA- but Google will help.
[url]http://www.drugs.com/MTM/chlorhexidine_gluconate.html[/url]
[url]http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:84nA9U08Ew0J:www.afao.org.au/library_docs/policy/ohs_sexwork.pdf+buy+chlorhexidine+australia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20[/url]
[url]http://www.pharmacydirect.co.nz/default.aspx?t=345&g=310&p=313[/url]
Cheers
Pete
A little google research has yielded the following information:
The prescribed treatment for non specific urethritis, gonorrhea and several other STD's is doxycycline, which is now available online from sources in Europe, who will ship to the u.s.
Does anybody know whats the quickest way to get rid of molluscum?
I caught it while mongering in Mexico.
[QUOTE=Dento]Does anybody know whats the quickest way to get rid of molluscum?
I caught it while mongering in Mexico.[/QUOTE]Not easily I regret to say.
Most symptoms are self-resolving over time. However, generally lesions are removedto reduce autoinoculation and transmission to others.
Removal of lesions can be done surgically, chemically of cryogenically.
Avoid touching the lesion and then touching another part of your body (or others) without washing your hands to prevent chance of autoinoculation.
Good luck.
Does anyone know where or if you can buy a home test for Herpes?
After reading reports here I would like to have sex with a girl in the bottom( I have never done this, but all the reports say it is good), and people say also nicer without condom. But is that not a little risky.?. I understand it may be. If it is not hard talking, please advise me.
Some information regarding BBBJ and STD, I guess info should be posted here instead.
[quote]Question: If you are kissing or french kissing these girls, can't you get AIDs if someone just blew their load in these girls' mouth? The Czechs always insist on a condom and but the Russians will let you cum in their mouth. Seriously, I'd like to know. Can't find any research online.[/quote]Original link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547314&postcount=749[/url]
Answers so far:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547830&postcount=750[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=547871&postcount=751[/url]
doxycycline is old, no longer recomended for gonorrhea, non specific urthritis is usually chlamydia trachoma. try to look in pub med intead of google ,yahoo etc. there are newer antibiotics some even a single dose treatment.
I have seen a lot of conflicting info on the web on how safe DATY is. Many sites say it carries little risk of HIV, but definately is at risk for other STDs. Frankly I love DATY but don’t dare try it with the high mileage girls for fear of bringing something home. But I notice that the San Francisco Health Clinic and Med Help International (MHI) seem quite convinced that. Apart from herpes. DATY is pretty safe for all intensive purposes – MHI does acknowledge theoretical risk, but seems to think in the real world this is basically not worth worrying about. Just wanted to see if anyone has a view on this or better yet some real world experience they can share.
There was a bit of discussion going on in one of the threads about using Listerine as a disinfectant after sex.
Along the same line, my question is, is it worth the trouble to use Listerine or other disinfectant (eg, anti bacterial hand cleanser, rubbing alcohol or other types of alcohol) to wipe yourself down after BBBJ? My thinking is, if you clean yourself up after the BBBJ and before you put the rubber on for the main event, your dick is not staying in a warm, wet enclosed rubber full of the girl's saliva.
I've always felt somewhat uncomfortable (unsafe?) about putting on a rubber and letting your dick sit in it, with saliva and germs from her mouth, after the BBBJ and when you are having the intercourse.
Any thoughts?
I caught Molluscum Contagiosum my last trip to DR. I thought I had caught Herpes, which it is commonly confused with. I had several doctors state it was Foliculitis (hair bumps). Today I saw a dermitoligist who properly diagnossed and treated it by using a local anistetic then cutting them out.
The last couple of weeks were crazy with the itching, discomfort and fear that I might have Herpes for life! And the knowledge that I may of passed it on to my girl.
I've been tested for all other STD's and the results were negative. Thats it for me no more mongering. It's just not worth it! To my fellow mongers stay safe.
RE: Safe Sex and so on...
Dear Gentlemen,
May I tell you a cute story about:
**********************
My little sister....
**********************
My little sister was a very little girl. Yet, even at 6 she was significantly bigger than a little mouse. Still - as we used to live in an old
country house - she would jump high on a chair, screaming in terror whenever she saw one cute little mousy or two. We papa, mama,
sisters and brothers all thought this all very funny, given the considerable size and strength differences between them.
As time passed I grew up to be a big strong man. I worked out in the gym to be bigger than others and paid big monies to get various
scary pictures tattooed on my arms and chest to scare away those other guys who I wouldn't be able to beat otherwise. I even went to
study boxing to become more confident. I was doing just like most other guys really.
******************************
Am I a Secret Homo or Something.....?
******************************
Considering all the above, it seems all the more laughable that recently I find myself jumping high on a chair, screaming in terror whenever
I hear the name of some tiny, minuscule virus or bacteria mentioned. And not only those but the plain mentioning of the "evil terrorist
men" as well scare me to death. Anybody understands what has happened to me? Has I become a little girl in mind? Or despite of my size
am I a "secret-homo" or a "poosy-boy"?
I am sure guys that you don't think like me. You wouldn't get shit scared from microscopic little fellas or by seeing some vague reports
about "strong bearded men". I am so ashamed now, can someone advise me please.....
**************************
Please Help Me!
**************************
What shall I do?
- Should I pump up my biceps more and punch out the bacteria or evil virus?
- Should I get more very scary tattooing done to scare away the evil bacteria?
- Should I train more boxing to gain confidence in life?
*********************************
A Camera Would Surely Work.....
*********************************
Maybe the best is if I get security cameras installed in my closet -for my own safety- so that the friendly police can identify them and
catch the evil bastards while trying to climb into my anal holeas I am passing poo? Yes, that will surely make me feel safe.
I am totally helpless and totally shit scared of miniature, microscopic fellas now and ask for your advice. I am afraid that I have become a
"pumped up poosyman", or something like that. I know guys that you are not like me. You wouldn't jump at mention of some microscopic,
unseen felllas, I am sure. I am just a strange, unusual guy.
I am big, my bicepses are gigantic, my tattooes scary as shit and I always carry the police emergency number in my pocket. And the
ambulance's too. So, I should feel very safe. But I am not. Am I maybe just an idiot?
****************************************
The answer for "Fear" starts with an "R" for rubber
****************************************
I know you are all very safe and confident guys, you no give shit for microscopic fellas. I can sense that from your great postings. So,
please fill me in on the secrets.
Maybe I should put a rubber tube on my cock. Yes, I got my answer. I start to wear it 24 hours from now on. So simple solution. The
secret answer against all my fears and phobias. Keep away all you bastards, big trucks, terrorist-guys, my kokk is "rubber-protected"
now! I am totally invincible. Sort of a hero.
A rubber-hero, maybe.
******************************
Mindless Asshole.....
******************************
But maybe just a brainvashed, TV addicted fat idiot, mindless puppet. Some even call me Asshole.....
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=556892&postcount=5108[/url]
................my full mindless, sad story...................you will cry........
Eye Spy,
I have some experience with this....or should I say a bad experience with this? Years ago I was in Thailand and met a girl who owned a Pub and restraunt. We hit it off and had terrific sex for about four weeks always with a condom. Except for the DATY! Life was good and I was happy. The only problem I was experiencing was some common cold like symptoms that appeared two weeks after meeting the Thai. Sore Throat, Cough, Lots of Mucus and phlegm coming up. I really thought nothing of it. Just a cold, right? Upon my return home and performing DATY on my wife, I transfered an STD to her. She didn't know she had contracted one at that time, but three days later I developed a drip and had it checked out. Sure enough, STD. Evidently, after DATY with her and then going bareback, I transfered the STD back to myself...or to my penis in other words. True story! So I don't care what they say. I lived it.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
[QUOTE=Eye Spy]I have seen a lot of conflicting info on the web on how safe DATY is. Many sites say it carries little risk of HIV, but definately is at risk for other STDs. Frankly I love DATY but don’t dare try it with the high mileage girls for fear of bringing something home. But I notice that the San Francisco Health Clinic and Med Help International (MHI) seem quite convinced that. Apart from herpes. DATY is pretty safe for all intensive purposes – MHI does acknowledge theoretical risk, but seems to think in the real world this is basically not worth worrying about. Just wanted to see if anyone has a view on this or better yet some real world experience they can share.[/QUOTE]
Excellent report as always Humble Turd. I neither entirely credit nor discredit the scaremongering of our rulers - I merely say 'I do not know', and proceed to enjoy what I enjoy, cognizant of the ephemeral nature of all life. The primary psychological problem of the Western hero is a complete inability to face mortality.
Yella Man, that sounds like the Clap you had. It is a regular part of the bareback hobbyist's life in Thailand, and not such a big deal. However I would recommend that you avoid cunnilinguous, as I do. The ailment is at most mildly uncomfortable to the penis-hole, whereas it sounds quite awful in the mouthal version.
Anyway, you are paying her, so presumably the whole time should be spent servicing you, not vice-versa. But to each his own.
No payments needed for that fine piece of ass. Aside from the clap she gave me, she was a real catch. She often picked me up at the end of the day when all my business was completed in her silver BMW. Drove my Co-workers crazy! I might have to go back to Phitsanaluk (spelling?) to see if she still owns the restraunt. I'll take another dose of the clap for another shot of that ass!
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
[QUOTE=Opebo]Yella Man, that sounds like the Clap you had. It is a regular part of the bareback hobbyist's life in Thailand, and not such a big deal. However I would recommend that you avoid cunnilinguous, as I do. The ailment is at most mildly uncomfortable to the penis-hole, whereas it sounds quite awful in the mouthal version.
Anyway, you are paying her, so presumably the whole time should be spent servicing you, not vice-versa. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yella Man]Eye Spy,
I have some experience with this....or should I say a bad experience with this? Years ago I was in Thailand and met a girl who owned a Pub and restraunt. We hit it off and had terrific sex for about four weeks always with a condom. Except for the DATY! Life was good and I was happy. The only problem I was experiencing was some common cold like symptoms that appeared two weeks after meeting the Thai. Sore Throat, Cough, Lots of Mucus and phlegm coming up. I really thought nothing of it. Just a cold, right? Upon my return home and performing DATY on my wife, I transfered an STD to her. She didn't know she had contracted one at that time, but three days later I developed a drip and had it checked out. Sure enough, STD. Evidently, after DATY with her and then going bareback, I transfered the STD back to myself...or to my penis in other words. True story! So I don't care what they say. I lived it.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man[/QUOTE]Hey Thanks Yella Man,
This is a good cautionary tale - too bad I do love DATY.
I got my Pasante Unique's in the mail a few days ago and decided to try them on this 20yr old Filipina I've have been doing for a while now. My first dislike was the packaging. Although nice enough to fit securely into your wallet without worrying about rupturing the condoms, the packaging caused problems when I reached for it and tried to get a condom out for use. I got so frustrated I had to turn on the lights just to open the damn pack.
The second problem with the packaging is that they package three condoms in one credit card sized container. They can't be separated into individual condoms. This is ok if your fucking the same girl over and over again. Not too cool though if your fucking more than one girl, because one of them will ultimately ask, "What happened to the other two condoms?"
The feel of the condom in your hand is exactly like that of plastic wrap you would place over food. Putting the first one on was a slight challenge specifically because of that feeling. However, there is a green label on the condom itself directing you on how to put it on. When you finally do have it on, your dick looks like it has a price tag on it because of the label.
I slapped some Liquid KY (it's already lubricated with a petrolatum USP which is oderless and tasteless) on the outside of this contraption and started to fuck away. I didn't notice this "Real feeling" the company Pasante was talking about. It felt like I had wrapped my dick in plastic wrap and was attempting to fuck my hott 20yr old. I didn't like the feeling much. My Ultra Thin Lifestyles with the pleasure tip, and a little liquid KY squirted inside before putting it on felt much more natural then this contraption.
I pulled the condom off and finished bareback. Later, when I was ready to go again, I put another Unique on and asked my 20yr old to give me a BJ...all for the sake of the experiment. I have to say, it felt pretty real. She liked it because it had no smell or taste like regular condoms. So I guess I'll be using them for CBJ during my next trip to the Philippines, while I'll still use the LifeStyles for actual penetration. Just my two cents. I'm interested to know if there are other super thin condoms that may be good to try.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]How, exactly, did you find this out? Is this information reliable? If so, I'm going to try them. This means that the Durex Avanti is more than 3 times thicker than the Pasante. So far the best condom I've used is the Trojan Supra, at least as far as feeling that you're doing it bareback; I'd like to know it's thickness, if you know. The Durex Avanti is a close second.
After reading your post. I went to the Pasante website, [url]www.pasante.com[/url]. It appears that they can be ordered from the UK. I went to Undercover Condoms, my usual source, but they don't carry them.
Thanks for providing valuable information.
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]
Good info on Pasante Unique YM.
I've been meaning to try them out myself as they are as far as I know the thinnest condom on the market at only .015mm. They are not made of either latex or polyurethane so I think they would feel a little different but from your description it sounds like they don't feel as natural as the others.
Another brand of ultra thin condoms that I like and use frequently are Sagami 0.02 . They are made of polyurethane and are the thinnest on the market aside from Pasante. The Trojan Supra and Durex Avanti are the thinnest made in the US at .04mm. This brand is half that at only .02mm. I don't use Trojans because I'm boycotting the company, but have used Durex Avanti in the past and these feel better. They're really good at transferring heat.
TCH,
Thanks for the info on the other thin condom brands. I'll order some when I get back from the Philippines. I might be able to find the Sagami's here in Korea. I'll check around. Until then I'm just going to continue to squirt a few drops of liquid KY inside the condoms that I do currently have. Doing that really increases the sensitivity and feeling for me, so you might want to give it a shot. Just don't over use the KY or you'll loose the condom in your girls honey hole :)
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]Good info on Pasante Unique YM.
I've been meaning to try them out myself as they are as far as I know the thinnest condom on the market at only .015mm. They are not made of either latex or polyurethane so I think they would feel a little different but from your description it sounds like they don't feel as natural as the others.
Another brand of ultra thin condoms that I like and use frequently are Sagami 0.02 . They are made of polyurethane and are the thinnest on the market aside from Pasante. The Trojan Supra and Durex Avanti are the thinnest made in the US at .04mm. This brand is half that at only .02mm. I don't use Trojans because I'm boycotting the company, but have used Durex Avanti in the past and these feel better. They're really good at transferring heat.[/QUOTE]
[b]The good news[/b] is that there really does seem to be a very low incidence of AIDS in The Philippines and also a fairly low rate of other STDs.
This is despite the PI having all the ingredients for an AIDS explosion- low condom use, migrant workers coming home and bringing back diseases, low health care budget, etc.
The unusual situation is referred to as the Philippines Paradox and has got the experts at a loss to explain it. They tend to support the belief that the PI is just going through a lucky phase and that an epidemic could still happen.
The amazing thing to me is that during a mass screening in Angeles last year only five girls showed up positive for HIV. That to me just sounds TOO good to be true and makes me wonder whether the clinics are carrying out the tests properly.
[b]The bad news[/b] is that if a girl has been found to be HIV positive then she is officially (by the clinic/hospital that diagnosed it) encouraged to carry on plying her trade and working as a prostitute, even though some/most of her clients will request not to use condoms. In Europe this would be illegal and she would probably end up in jail if she had sex without using a condom and not disclosing the fact that she was HIV positive. In the Philippines she is advised to carry on working whilst being "encouraged" to use condoms.
Here is today’s New York Times report;
[url]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9B0CEFDC123AF933A15757C0A9659C8B63&n=Top%2fNews%2fHealth%2fDiseases%2c%20Conditions%2c%20and%20Health%20Topics%2fAIDS[/url]
The New York Times report I referred to in my previous post is actually 2003 and the mass screening in Angeles happened in 2002.
However, according to the latest United Nations report of December 2006 the number of reported HIV cases are still low.
Here is the section that deals with the Philippines:
[quote]In the Philippines, where HIV is being transmitted primarily during unprotected sex (National Epidemiology Center, 2006), national adult HIV prevalence remains well under 0.1% (UNAIDS, 2006).
About one third of HIV infections diagnosed since 1984 have been in returning overseas Filipino workers (mostly in seafarers and domestic workers) (National Epidemiology Center, 2006).
Efforts to screen and treat sex workers for sexually transmitted infections, along with other prevention efforts initiated since the early 1990s have possibly helped contain the spread of the virus during paid sex (Mateo et al., 2003). Less than 1% of sex workers are infected with HIV, according to successive sentinel surveillance rounds since 2002 (Department of Health Philippines, 2005).
HIV prevalence higher than 1% has not yet been detected among men who have sex with men, either (Department of Health, 2005). There is no guarantee this situation will continue.
Condom use is not the norm during paid sex (when surveyed in 2002, just 6% of sex workers said they used condoms with all their clients in the previous week) (MAP, 2005b), and the use of non-sterile injecting equipment among injecting drug users is a common practice in some areas (such as Cebu City) (Wi et al., 2002; Mateo et al., 2003; Department of Health Philippines, 2003). In such light, the apparent complacency among young Filipinos about the epidemic (three in five 14–20-year-olds believe they cannot contract HIV) gives cause for concern.
UNAIDS/WHO AIDS Epidemic Update: December 2006 .[/quote] [url]http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/epi2006/default.asp[/url]
Research indicates sex can depress the immune system. From BBC News site:
"The research could also help explain how sexually-transmitted diseases evolve - by exploiting the depressed immune system when humans have sex.
Such diseases also lead to the possibility of a reduction of life expectancy in humans."
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2093562.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=Henderson][b]The bad news[/b] is that if a girl has been found to be HIV positive then she is officially...encouraged to carry on plying her trade and working as a prostitute, even though some/most of her clients will request not to use condoms....In the Philippines she is advised to carry on working whilst being "encouraged" to use condoms.[/QUOTE]
You said it yourself in the last sentence; she's not 'encouraged' to keep working, she's 'advised' to keep working. She's 'encouraged' to use condoms. That, in my opinion, is an extremely mature and understanding policy for a country to follow in the case of HIV+ sex workers and goes straight to the heart of the mandatory testing and exclusion debate.
If a 'regular' person is diagnosed with HIV, they do not have to give up sex for life. They are informed about their duty to disclose their HIV status and told to use condoms to protect future sex partners. The rest is up to them. If they choose to run around having unprotected sex and infecting others, they will face criminal charges. HOWEVER...the people who agreed to (or perhaps DEMANDED) unsafe sex from that person really only have themselves to blame, in my opinion. Everyone's so quick to blame HIV+ sex workers for 'spreading diseases', but the CLIENT'S insistence on condom use could have prevented it. Nobody forces a client to have unsafe sex with a sex worker, HIV+ or not.
The Philippines Government and health services are doing the right thing according to international harm minimisation strategies and HIV policy. If clients are concerned about HIV+ sex workers being advised to continue working, maybe they need to take responsibility for their OWN sexual health.
[url]http://health.msn.com/healthnews/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100157237>1=9145[/url]
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]The Philippines Government and health services are doing the right thing according to international harm minimisation strategies and HIV policy. If clients are concerned about HIV+ sex workers being advised to continue working, maybe they need to take responsibility for their OWN sexual health.[/QUOTE]
I will print your post and show the trike drivers who regularly do the CSWs sans condoms. I am sure they will immediately change their ways as they are such responsible clients, as well as always eager to comply with international and government guidelines.
BTW, have you ever been to the Phils?
[QUOTE=Henderson]The amazing thing to me is that during a mass screening in Angeles last year only five girls showed up positive for HIV. That to me just sounds TOO good to be true and makes me wonder whether the clinics are carrying out the tests properly.
[/QUOTE]
The incidence is probably still quite low. Actually it makes some sense as many of the CSWs are newly recruited and some don't stay very long in the business. Most bars focus on LT rather than ST in Angeles and many BG will not have a barfine every night, hence the number of possible exposures to HIV are lower. Moreover hygiene checkup will catch obvious STIs that are facilitating HIV infection.
But with a general increase in the client pool's HIV prevalence, these figures are bound to go up, if condom use doesn't mprove.
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]I will print your post and show the trike drivers who regularly do the CSWs sans condoms. I am sure they will immediately change their ways as they are such responsible clients, as well as always eager to comply with international and government guidelines.
BTW, have you ever been to the Phils?[/QUOTE]
Nope, never. Not sure why that should matter.
Protecting your own sexual health, and that of others, is the responsibility of ALL sexually active people. It has nothing to do with complying with Government guidelines. It's about having self respect and the common decency to consider whether your actions may put someone else's health at risk. If those trike drivers refuse to use condoms and they contract HIV (or anything else), they have nobody to blame but themselves.
If you ask advice from someone in any other occupation, you listen to what they say because they are the experts and they understand their job better than you do. Sex workers are the 'experts' in the sex industry. These girls are being educated by health agencies to understand the risks of unprotected sex and learn how to prevent disease transmission - information that would ideally be passed on to their clients (to the benefit of the whole community, not just the sex industry). But they can't do any of that if clients are too ignorant to listen.
I don't care what the religious or political climate is in the Philippines - I'm sure the clients have all heard of AIDS and other diseases and if they choose to engage in unsafe sex with sex workers in spite of that, then I have no sympathy.
[quote]Nope, never. Not sure why that should matter. [/quote]
Um...yeah it kinda does.
[quote]If you ask advice from someone in any other occupation, you listen to what they say because they are the experts and they understand their job better than you do. Sex workers are the 'experts' in the sex industry. These girls are being educated by health agencies to understand the risks of unprotected sex and learn how to prevent disease transmission - information that would ideally be passed on to their clients (to the benefit of the whole community, not just the sex industry). But they can't do any of that if clients are too ignorant to listen. [/quote]
This is just laughable. We're supposed to listen to sex workers regarding matters of disease prevention and sex education because of their so called knowledge in these areas? Utterly ridiculous pie-in-the-sky bullshit your declaring here. Maybe Pros in some areas of Europe are educated (I question the degree though) but that hardly constitutes the sex industry as a whole worldwide. Many MANY WGs worldwide are not educated and certainly not any moreso than their clients. To even apply this formula to WGs in the Philippines (or SE Asia entirely) just reeks of ignorance. Most Bargirls in the PI not only don't care about disease prevention but they're not even taking any steps to prevent pregnancies. Most want to get knocked up by a western guy so they can keep their hooks in him and maybe obtain a green card, or at the very least Western Union every month. They are all looking for the big pay-off as NONE wish to remain in their home country living in utter destitution if they can help it. The risk is great for them but the rewards are even greater in their eyes.
Let's just believe for a moment that most sex workers are educated, that still doesn't mean they will apply this knowledge when they go out and work each and every day. I know you don't have any experience in the mongering world but many WGs are not the most responsible citizens your likely to meet in their respective countries. A good chunk of them are merely thinking of today and not worried about what tommorow may bring.
You're also making other assumptions about the WG\client relationship when you imply it's only the Johns who are coercing WGs into unsafe sex practices. I've had many Pros (even in the US) suggest or initiate BB sex. Didn't even ask for it.
You're describing this industry how you would like it to be not the way it really is. Nice picture of the p4p world you're painting for us but it's just not reality.
Sorry.
P.S.
The Philippines does have sex education.....the Catholic church.
the article i was talking about said that these workers were being encouraged by the health authorities to use condoms. i doubt they would have just handed them one and told them to use it - surely they would have explained the importance of them as well. if, as you and the article have said, the catholic church is largely responsible for the general community's sexual education...then yes, i believe those sex workers involved would have a whole lot more sexual health knowledge than their clients.
i'm not sure we're talking the same thing when it comes to being 'educated'. i'm not talking about people having a college degree in preventative medicine. i'm talking about sex workers having a working knowledge of sex, as well as sex worker organisations giving targeted sex industry-specific information to sex workers. these organisations exist in almost all countries in the world, with two of the largest and most respected networks located in india and thailand, which may surprise a few people. these orgs are peer education projects run by current and ex sex workers - an hiv/sti prevention method recognised internationally as being the most productive and successful. even government hiv strategies acknowledge sex workers as the 'experts' in sex industry health.
and why wouldn't they be? it makes perfect sense that, as in any job, sex workers become knowledgeable about their work over time. they learn from their own mistakes and that of their peers. they have more sexual health tests than anyone else in the community and therefore have a lot more contact with sexual health services. and for most sex workers, contracting a disease would mean an interruption (or end) to their income, which means their financial security also relies on them accessing good sexual health information. most farmers have never received any formal training or education either, but they know more about agriculture than anyone else because they live it. the same goes for any other 'unskilled' profession. i fail to see why sex workers are considered any different and i find it exceedingly arrogant of community members, academics, etc, to assume that they know more about sex than a hooker who has had sex with thousands.
as for my 'lack of experience in the mongering world'...granted, i've never put my dick into a sex worker. (i have paid other women for sex on occasion, but that's a whole other story :) ) as a client, your experience of the sex industry is very different to mine. i can assure you i have more than enough information to base my arguments on. i worked as a hooker for quite a while and, more importantly, for a number of years now i have devoted my life to sex worker advocacy, peer education, lobbying and government policy. i started at ground level, employed to train and educate sex workers directly, and these days i'm involved with the sex worker rights movement and sex industry sti/hiv education on a national and international level. i work closely with women/workers from around the globe so although i may not have been to these countries personally, i'm not just pulling statements out of my arse. they come from international sex workers themselves.
anyway, all ranting aside...your story of pi workers trying to get pregnant to foreigners only highlights the need for clients to take responsibility for their own health in those cases. as i said before, nobody makes a client have unprotected sex with a hooker. (and i didn't say that clients were solely responsible for unprotected sex - i said if a client 'agreed to or demanded' it). if the girl jumps on you without a condom, then it's your responsibility to stop her and tell her you want to use one. and if a sex worker demands condom use, then clients should respect her wishes, not push her until she caves out of desperation.
if i'm wrong, and sex workers really are the uneducated, naive people you say they are, then maybe clients have an even larger role in ensuring they educate the sex workers they sleep with? you explain the benefits of condom use to a pi hooker; she passes the info on to the next pi local client she sees?
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]...If I'm wrong, and sex workers really are the uneducated, naive people you say they are, then maybe clients have an even larger role in ensuring they educate the sex workers they sleep with? You explain the benefits of condom use to a PI hooker; she passes the info on to the next PI local client she sees?[/QUOTE]I always use condoms but on my trip to the PI two months ago only one BG (from Firehouse in Manila) mentioned condoms.
All the other five, though admittedly they were either regular girls or freelancers, not only didn’t mention condoms but were actually very against me using them. If they wanted BB sex with me, then they would have requested the same from other guys they had sex with and how many partners have these girls had?
It’s very easy to decide to always use condoms but when you are just getting into a passionate state with a half-drunk girl (and you are also half-drunk yourself) and she very forcefully tries to stop you from using a condom then it takes a lot of self-control and effort on your part to persist on getting one of those bloody things on. After all, it’s not as if I like them either!
With one regular girl, she got really offended and pissed that I insisted on using condoms despite her using all her charms (and strength!) to prevent me. And obviously I did nearly give in. It’s not the easiest time to think straight and when you have a girl writhing all over you, dripping wet and passionately trying to get you to F*** her without a condom. One starts questioning his self-discipline.
I always explained that I also used condoms back home and that it prevented the spread of diseases, pregnancies etc. The reply from the girls is that they are “very clean”! It doesn’t help at all when you explain further. What does happen is that their mood changes, and they sulk. [b]The Corn Hole[/b] is right. They probably are trying to get pregnant. Or in the case of the previous example, pregnant again as she already had a child to a Japanese guy.
I wrote in another thread about this asking whether these girls were crazy, ignorant, totally brain-washed by the Pope or, yes, just wanting to get pregnant.
I do agree with you ,[b]RN[/b], that we should take responsibility for our health and actions but what you otherwise say is mostly theory and doesn’t seem to apply to the PI (in my experience, of course).
Hey, I'm definitely not saying that doesn't happen! Even in 'Western' countries there are hookers looking for a Sugar Daddy or waiting for a knight in shining armour to come and 'rescue' them. Especially the sort of girls you're talking about (freelancers/part-timers) who sometimes don't even consider themselves to be hookers; just using their job as a way to access wealthy men. As for 'regular' girls - well, it's a given that they're probably not going to use condoms, whether because they intentionally want to get pregnant or they're just ignorant of disease transmission (like probably 80% of the general population!!) They weren't the sort of girls I was talking about, though.
I should probably just rein this in a bit and say that my original post was addressing apparent concern that HIV+ sex workers were being advised to go back to work. Those particular sex workers had had contact with health services were being encouraged to use condoms, so were probably armed with more sexual health information than their average local client is. My argument was that if those particular workers asked clients to use condoms and those clients refused, the clients have nobody to blame but themselves.
I should add that you are to be commended for your own attempts to enforce condom use and educate the girls you're having sex with. You're right...it's VERY hard to stop and organise a condom (especially with an unwilling partner) without ruining a passionate mood. But that's really all I was trying to say in the first place - that each of us has a responsibility to protect our own health, whether in a P4P situation or in the real world, and that if a client allows the session to proceed without a condom and catches something, he should shoulder some of the blame.
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]
To even apply this formula to WGs in the Philippines (or SE Asia entirely) just reeks of ignorance. Most Bargirls in the PI not only don't care about disease prevention but they're not even taking any steps to prevent pregnancies.[/QUOTE]
Spot on, The Cornhole.
[quote]the article i was talking about said that these workers were being encouraged by the health authorities to use condoms. i doubt they would have just handed them one and told them to use it - surely they would have explained the importance of them as well. if, as you and the article have said, the catholic church is largely responsible for the general community's sexual education...then yes, i believe those sex workers involved would have a whole lot more sexual health knowledge than their clients. [/quote]
surely you don't believe everything you read do you? i can assure you these girls are being "educated" by no one except the mamasans in charge who only want to make sure they bring in as much money as they can.
[quote]i'm not sure we're talking the same thing when it comes to being 'educated'. i'm not talking about people having a college degree in preventative medicine. i'm talking about sex workers having a working knowledge of sex, as well as sex worker organisations giving targeted sex industry-specific information to sex workers. these organisations exist in almost all countries in the world, with two of the largest and most respected networks located in india and thailand, which may surprise a few people. these orgs are peer education projects run by current and ex sex workers - an hiv/sti prevention method recognised internationally as being the most productive and successful. even government hiv strategies acknowledge sex workers as the 'experts' in sex industry health. [/quote]
yes we are talking about the same thing. and you are just incorrect. these organisations have far less influence than you'd wish them to have. just a waste of resources and a waste of money. money that funds these programs can be much better spent in my opinion.
i cannot begin to count how many wgs i've come across in se asia who didn't even carry condoms with them. that would be a necessary and crucial first step in preventing stds don't you think? whoever has been tutoring these girls in sexual health is doing a shitty job and should be fired. the organisations that they work for should have all their funding slashed and the funds should be re-allocated to other more important things that would make a bigger difference in these people's lives, like fighting poverty.
[quote] and why wouldn't they be? it makes perfect sense that, as in any job, sex workers become knowledgeable about their work over time. they learn from their own mistakes and that of their peers. they have more sexual health tests than anyone else in the community and therefore have a lot more contact with sexual health services. and for most sex workers, contracting a disease would mean an interruption (or end) to their income, which means their financial security also relies on them accessing good sexual health information. [/quote]
in case you missed it before let me reiterate it again. these girls don't think like that. they are living in the now and are not thinking of the future. they don't view what they do as a career and certainly aren't worried about their incomes or proverbial severance pay or anything of that nature suddenly drying up. they view it as something they do to survive in the [b]present [/b].
[quote](and i didn't say that clients were solely responsible for unprotected sex - i said if a client 'agreed to or demanded' it). if the girl jumps on you without a condom, then it's your responsibility to stop her and tell her you want to use one. and if a sex worker demands condom use, then clients should respect her wishes, not push her until she caves out of desperation. [/quote]
no, technically you didn't but you implied it. i count 5 statements where you emphasized the client's role in disease prevention and not the hooker's. backpedal all you want, i (and most others) can clearly see your naivety on these subjects. reading some of your past posts i know how inaccurate alot of the information you provide is. i wonder what your primary source of info is, because so much of it is just flat out wrong.
[quote]if i'm wrong, and sex workers really are the uneducated, naive people you say they are, then maybe clients have an even larger role in ensuring they educate the sex workers they sleep with? you explain the benefits of condom use to a pi hooker; she passes the info on to the next pi local client she sees? [/quote]
see henderson's post below. that's asking a little too much out of mongers and your expectations of them and the end result this would achieve are too high. lol
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]No, technically you didn't but you implied it. I count 5 statements where you emphasized the client's role in disease prevention and not the hooker's.[/QUOTE]
Of course I did. That was the entire reason for my original post - that if clients are worried about HIV+ sex workers remaining in the sex industry, THEY should be taking some responsibility for their OWN sexual health. So yes, I emphasised the client's role in transmission prevention.
[QUOTE]I wonder what your primary source of info is, because so much of it is just flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]
Funny how you quoted my entire post, except the bit that described where my information comes from!
I'm sorry, but I think YOU are the one who is naive if you think that having sex with hookers makes you an expert on the inner-workings of these women's minds. P4P is not like other 'normal' social interactions. You see what you WANT to see - or what SHE wants you to see. We are a fantasy. We give you whatever you're looking for. And I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Plus, stereotypes and stigma colour every encounter most people have with a sex worker. Some of the reviews I've read about brothels and local sex workers (people I know, including myself!) from 'expert' regular clients, are hilariously incorrect. I've worked (in my own country) with hookers from nearly every corner of the globe - including contract workers; the so-called Asian/EU 'sex slaves' in 'debt bondage' everyone's always harping on about - and their stories taught me never to judge international sex workers on what the media, or clients on review sites, say about them.
I'm not going to argue about the specifics of sex work in each individual country, for each individual sex worker, in the safe sex section. My original post was about HIV+ sex workers and my original opinion still stands. If clients are afraid of contracting HIV or anything else, they should be demanding condom use. If you KNOW things are that bad in PI, then there's no reason why clients couldn't bring their own condoms and insist the girls use them. I can't see why that simple concept is so disagreeable to some people.
[quote]Of course I did. That was the entire reason for my original post - that if clients are worried about HIV+ sex workers remaining in the sex industry, THEY should be taking some responsibility for their OWN sexual health. So yes, I emphasised the client's role in transmission prevention. [/quote]
I agree completely and that really goes without saying. Seriously, that is such an elementary point that I don't think it's a point that really needs to be constanty driven home in three different posts. Everybody here knows this and assumes full responsibility for their own actions. I personally get a kick out of how so many men are paranoid about Aids transmission even though women are FAR more likely to be infected than vice versa. believe me, I think there are so many ridiculous comments on here from mongers it is really something to see/hear.
[quote]Funny how you quoted my entire post, except the bit that described where my information comes from! [/quote]
Doesn't matter where you got it from because I know some of it is wrong. Even if alot of this info is correct some of your assumptions that are based on it are not.
[quote]I'm sorry, but I think YOU are the one who is naive if you think that having sex with hookers makes you an expert on the inner-workings of these women's minds. P4P is not like other 'normal' social interactions. You see what you WANT to see - or what SHE wants you to see. We are a fantasy. We give you whatever you're looking for. And I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Plus, stereotypes and stigma colour every encounter most people have with a sex worker. Some of the reviews I've read about brothels and local sex workers (people I know, including myself!) from 'expert' regular clients, are hilariously incorrect. I've worked (in my own country) with hookers from nearly every corner of the globe - including contract workers; the so-called Asian/EU 'sex slaves' in 'debt bondage' everyone's always harping on about - and their stories taught me never to judge international sex workers on what the media, or clients on review sites, say about them. [/quote]
No, I am definitely no expert on the inner-workings of these girls minds. The only way I could claim to be so is if I took everything they say at face value. I don't. I just assume at least half of everything that comes out of their mouths is total bullshit, and YOU should to. I judge them by their ACTIONS not their words. The P4P relationship is not like others but in some ways it's more honest and certainly more direct.
Talking about specifics please tell me exactly what I said that makes me naive? You were very vague in your last post.
I'll lay all my cards on the table let's see if you'll do the same. What country do you live/work in?
The Corn Hole: I posted my response in the Morality section - it was a bit too off-topic to be cluttering up the Safe Sex section. :)
Hi guys
Just wondering if you have had a lot to drink etc and you are going for girls do you still always insist on condom use for sex? I hear so much talk of engaging in risky behaviour when under the influence but personally no matter how pissed I am I still always know what I'm doing and use condom and would never go bareback (if I can get it up of course)
[quote=Rubber Nursey]There is no denying that there are exceedingly high rates of HIV in some international sex worker communites. If you combine that fact with what I said in my last post - that most sex industry policy and legislation is based on stereotypes and misconceptions - you'll see why this terrifies world leaders and health organisations. We already had a reputation as 'vectors of disease'. As 'uneducated IV drug users, engaging in high risk sex practices', they thought we were gonna put the whole world at risk of an HIV epidemic. For once, negative stigma actually worked in our favour. [/quote]
Female sex worker's reputation as vectors for HIV (not other diseases) is unproven. There is still no unequivocal evidence that show sex workers to have a higher rate of HIV infection and are bigger vectors than other segments of the general population (has nothing to do with condom use either). And I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
[quote] Governments worldwide started pouring money into HIV strategies. Sure, for many of us, HIV isn't really a huge threat. But all that increased funding and awareness raised the profile of health and safety issues for 'deviant ' communities (sex workers, IV drug users, gay men) - groups that nobody had previously given a toss about. With HIV funding, we can educate people about safe sex (and IDU) practices that prevent the transmission of a multitude of other STIs and BBVs, as well as HIV. Governments were also forced to examine other outside factors that increased HIV risk to these communities, like stigma and discrimination preventing people from accessing health services and increased risk of violence in 'hidden' or illegal environments. Personal empowerment of marginalised communities was finally put on the agenda. [/quote]
As I've stated earlier I don't believe these programs are that effective in reducing the spread of HIV for numerous reasons. One being, it is primarily a blood borne virus and even if a society has widespread condom useage and safe sex campaigns by the government are instituted doesn't necessarily mean the HIV rate of infection are going to sharply decline. There's still no proof to suggest that's the case. Brazil has widespread condom useage and has a higher rate of HIV cases than both the Philippines and Indonesia which do not have widespread condom useage. What Brazil does have alot more of than PI and Indonesia is IV drug use. I'm confident unless IV drugs are introduced to these societies on a massive scale that the HIV rates in both these countries will not see a sharp increase despite condom use being low. The number one vectors for this disease are IV drug users.
[quote]With regard to your comments about Hep B in PI, I'd be really interested in finding out more, like names of cities/towns and the sort of environments these girls were working in (brothels, street, etc). You can PM me if you'd rather keep it off the board. I'd be interested in looking into the issue further. Unfortunately, this is another case where Governments need to be proactive in making vaccines accessible and promoting their availability. I don't know what the specific policy is for Hep vaccinations in the PI. In my state, 'at risk' groups can access free Hep A&B shots. Sex workers are one of those groups, BUT, walking into your doctor's surgery and announcing that you're a hooker is not as easy as it sounds. As always, disclosure of your sex worker status can have long-term negative consequences. If you aren't willing to say that you're a sex worker, you can still get the shots, but they can be pretty expensive. When I got mine a number of years ago (for free) the cost to general community members was a course of three shots at $75 each shot. If that was the case in PI, it would be out of reach to many sex workers. [/quote]
I think sex workers in Indonesia are more vulnerable to Hep B than workers in PI are even though PI has more cases (not sure of that), mainly because like you pointed out the key to getting people vaccinated is making it accessible for them. I think it is more accessible right now in the PI for sex workers than Indonesia. Many girls in Indo are afraid to reveal their status as sex workers to the establishment for fear of imprisonment and/or a hefty fine. The sex scene in Manila and AC is much more transparent and obvious than in Jakarta. And there's a reason for that. Everything including medicine is dirt cheap in these countries compared to the west so it's not a matter of being affordable for them but a matter of being accessible.
Okay. I am new at this mongering game, recently lost my virginity 4 weeks ago at my first mongering destination: Boca Chica, Dominican Republic. Of course, appealing to self-preservation, I used a condom for the first time. Took out the condom out of the package and was immediately met with the nostril invasion of strong rubber smells. Okay. No big deal I thought to myself, then I had the girl put the rubber on my rock hard penis (I am young). As soon as the head of my dick felt that tight piece of rubber strap it, it immediately went limp (and I NEVER went limp unintentionally in my life), I felt pain, and I lost my horny mood. And please know, I am only 6. 3 inches hard. Very average so to speak. Had to jack off and get it back up again and round 2. She finally put the condom on and it was semi-erect again. Okay. Its worth it to protect myself from disease I told myself. And started humping the girl with the rubber on and struggling to keep a semi hard on on.
"Damn. Do am I even in her hole? " I thought to myself in disgust at the lack of sensation and wetness. Yes. I WAS in her hole after checking and seeing her moan as I slipped in and out.
"So this is sex? " I thought to myself grimming as I pumped her and pumped her. No big deal. Damn.
Nothing more than a fucking cardio workout. I get off on jacking off MUCH better than this! I didn't feel anything at all. Only the distant feeling of slipping into her hole. Now, after doing about 8 girls during my 3 stay at Boca Chica, using condoms all of the time. I was disappointed so to say the least. I couldn't feel shit using the so called "Microthin" Kimono condoms! They fucking HURT! They SMELL! And they RUIN the mood for me! Can anybody else relate here?
Now, I've rationalized myself to the point of rebelling against condoms and never using condoms again, which I have built upso much hate towards, its really sick. Hence comes the hypothetical questions I am about to ask you guys:
Just how bad is it to live with Herpes, the incurable STD if I will contract it? My immune system is abnormally strong, I never get sick, I mean NEVER. Can a strong immune system prevent against stds? I am aware that a lot of pornstars have herpes, and live it with easily. If I don't shed the virus and experience outbreaks I could give less a shit about living with herpes.
I know if I get a bacterial STD I can cure it with pills. No big deal I can take pain.
I know that HIV is extremly hard to contract via vaginal penetration so I'm not worried about that, chances are like 1 in 1, 000. Big fucking deal.
So what is there to really worry about when having unprotected sex with beautiful women? Getting them pregnant. If I do, I'll support em. And enjoy the love of a child! I really wouldnt mind having many kids, especially not living in the DR and being outside of the Dominican legal proximity. As far as I'm concerned I am at a point in my life where I just want to have fun. Do I want to let the fear of disease stop me from enjoying one of the greatest, greatest infernos of pleasures that life has to offer?
How many of you guys decide to go all out in life, and just bareback many beautiful women? I need to hear your opinions in this regard.
Thanks,
Livefastdiehard
Things are getting riskier all the time - see article in full below:
Sex disease turns into a 'superbug'
* A correspondent in Atlanta
* April 14, 2007
HEALTH officials in the US have recommended nationwide use of a new drug to treat gonorrhoea because the sexually transmitted disease, now considered a superbug, is steadily becoming resistant to the long-time standard antibiotic.
The disease has grown increasingly resistant to fluoroquinolones, the most common treatment for the bacterial disease since the early 1990s.
The US federal Centres for Disease Control and Prevention recommended yesterday that a different class of antibiotics, cephalosporins, be used instead.
"Gonorrhoea has now joined the list of superbugs for which treatment options have become dangerously few," Infectious Disease Society of America president Henry Masur said.
"To make a bad problem even worse, we're also seeing a decline in the development of new antibiotics to treat these infections."
The CDC made the recommendation after discovering that nearly 7 per cent of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men in a survey of 26 US cities last year had drug-resistant strains of the disease. In 2001, only about 0.6 per cent of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men were drug-resistant.
"That leaves us with a single class of highly effective antibiotics," said John Douglas, director of the CDC's division of STD prevention.
Other experts called the situation perilous.
It is the first time cephalosporins have been recommended to treat gonorrhoea for the entire US population, though the CDC recommended the antibiotics to treat drug-resistant gonorrhoea in California and Hawaii in2002.
In 2004, the CDC made the same recommendation to treat the bacterial infection among American men who had sex with men.
The new antibiotics included the generic drug ceftriaxone, also known under the brand name Rocephin, which must be injected and worked "very well", Dr Douglas said, although the drug was not commonly stocked in doctor's offices. Fluoroquinolones were more commonly available and easy to use because they could be taken orally in a single dose.
Ceftriaxone must be given as a shot and costs about $US20 ($24).
More than 700,000 people in the US caught gonorrhoea each year through sexual contact, the CDC said. It was the second most commonly reported infectious disease in the US.
The highest rates of infection were among sexually active teens, young adults and African-Americans. Because many people did not have obvious symptoms, they could unknowingly spread it to others.
Though treatable, gonorrhoea put people at greater risk of catching the AIDS virus, the CDC said. In women, it could cause pelvic inflammatory disease. In men, it could cause epididymitis, a condition of the testicles that could lead to infertility if untreated.
In the survey of 26 cities last year, Philadelphia had the highest percentage of drug-resistant cases, at almost 27per cent, followed by areas in California and Hawaii where health officials have long known about drug resistance.
A quarter of gonorrhoea cases among heterosexual men in Honolulu, San Diego and Orange County, California, were drug-resistant, followed by 22.5per cent of cases in San Francisco and 22 per cent in Long Beach, California. More than 15 per cent of cases in Miami were drug-resistant to the bacteria, the CDC said.
San Francisco's drug-resistant cases more than doubled between 2004 and last year, from 10.3 per cent to 22.5per cent. During the same period, Miami's cases spiked from 2.1 per cent to 15.3 per cent and Atlanta's climbed from 1per cent to 5.7per cent.
Consistent and proper use of condoms would stop the disease's spread, experts said.
AP
[QUOTE=Livefastdiehard] I couldn't feel shit using the so called "Microthin" Kimono condoms! They fucking HURT! They SMELL! And they RUIN the mood for me! Can anybody else relate here?
[/QUOTE]
Mate,
You need to try various condom types before you completely abandon them to go bareback. I also had issues regarding, "feel", if i can put it that way, have found the "Featherlite", made by Durex has sorted this to a degree.
i second what speed13 said. you need to try out different kinds before you decide to terminate your relationship with them altogether. some condoms are absolutely horrible and don't allow you to feel much. i cannot use the local condoms in brazil and argentina because they're way to thick. they're even worse than american condoms which i don't care for either. i find the japanese condoms to be thinner and much more pleasurable than the rest. some are even half as thick as the thinnest american made condom, and many brands come in a larger size as well.
This is probably an elementary question - but I don't know it. Is gonorrhea and/or chlamydia contagious during the incubation period - e.g. in the first couple of days prior to symptoms? Anyone's help would be great. Thanks.
[QUOTE=@sh] Is gonorrhea and/or chlamydia contagious during the incubation period - e.g. in the first couple of days prior to symptoms?[/QUOTE]As soon as the organisms are present, they can be transmitted. Obviously, a person who is copiously dripping the bugs will provide more opportunity to come in contact with them but even if you can't see them, they may be there.
As for symptoms: more than 70% of women who are infected with chlamydia remain without symptoms and about half of men! Similarly, for gonorrhea, the symptoms may be very mild or even absent.
You mention the incubation period: for gonorrhea that can be a couple of days or up to a couple of months.
Remember, too, chlamydia and GC are not the only things to worry about (oh! that they were!). May I suggest you check out the excellent site maintained by the US Centers for Disease Control ([url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/[/url]) for fact sheets for most of the STDs.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Animby]As soon as the organisms are present, they can be transmitted. Obviously, a person who is copiously dripping the bugs will provide more opportunity to come in contact with them but even if you can't see them, they may be there.
As for symptoms: more than 70% of women who are infected with chlamydia remain without symptoms and about half of men! Similarly, for gonorrhea, the symptoms may be very mild or even absent.
You mention the incubation period: for gonorrhea that can be a couple of days or up to a couple of months.
Remember, too, chlamydia and GC are not the only things to worry about (oh! that they were!). May I suggest you check out the excellent site maintained by the US Centers for Disease Control ([url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/[/url]) for fact sheets for most of the STDs.
Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]
Thanks you.
Most bacteria breed very fast, frighteningly fast. An immune response takes up to a week, so before you start trying to fight them, they are multiplying rapidly. In many cases, like with non STI infections, there is little chance of spreading them, eg cut finger. With STIs, genitilia full of bacteria means a good chance of cross contamination, even before symptoms ( immune response) ocurs.
Hi all
I've never been with an escort before.
I have some money right now, and was planning to spend some of this on my first experience with one.
I'm worried about STD's though - especially herpes. I've gone through in my mind all the reasons for NOT seeing an escort (moral reasons, high cost, etc) and I've managed to cast them all aside... except for the issue of STD's.
To maximize safety, I would use a condom for 100% of the time, and go with a "high class" escort. It would be straight sex and I'd avoid anything risky like anal sex. I'm fairly sure I'd be safe from HIV and most other diseases. However, I know that herpes can be transmitted [b]even with a condom[/b] and that's what's really, really bothering me.
So I was wondering... what are the chances of catching it? Bearing in mind I'd be going with a high class escort, not a street walker, and I'd be using protection throughout. I'm based in London UK, by the way. Is herpes really that common, and easy to catch? If there's more than a 10-20% chance of being infected, then to be honest I don't even want to bother. An hour of fun, followed by a lifetime of incurable disease is something I'm keen to avoid.
I was even thinking about "frottage" (sex with clothes on) to avoid skin contact, but this would feel silly somehow...!
I would greatly appreciate any info.
Hi all,
I've never been with an escort before.
I have some money right now, and was planning to spend some of this on my first experience with one.
I'm worried about STD's though - especially herpes. I've gone through in my mind all the reasons for NOT seeing an escort (moral reasons, high cost, etc) and I've managed to cast them all aside... except for the issue of STD's.
To maximize safety, I would use a condom for 100% of the time, and go with a "high class" escort. It would be straight sex and I'd avoid anything risky like anal sex. I'm fairly sure I'd be safe from HIV and most other diseases. However, I know that herpes can be transmitted [b]even with a condom[/b] and that's what's really, really bothering me.
So I was wondering... what are the chances of catching it? Bearing in mind I'd be going with a high class escort, not a street walker, and I'd be using protection throughout. I'm based in London UK, by the way. Is herpes really that common, and easy to catch? If there's more than a 10-20% chance of being infected, then to be honest I don't even want to bother. An hour of fun, followed by a lifetime of incurable disease is something I'm keen to avoid.
I was even thinking about "frottage" (sex with clothes on) to avoid skin contact, but this would feel silly somehow...!
I would greatly appreciate any info.
London 2007: Can I be blunt? Don't do it. You'll just be wasting your money.
You are sooooo panicked already, just [i]thinking[/i] about visiting a hooker...how relaxed do you think you're gonna be when you're actually in bed with her?! Your body just ain't gonna function under all that pressure, baby. You'll be wasting your time and hers, unless you take control of some of that anxiety.
Let me ask you this - do you put yourself through all this trauma before you have sex with a 'regular' girl?
The average English sex worker has regular STD tests, because she knows that she has more chance of coming in contact with infections ...your average NON-sex worker has NEVER had an STD test in their life, because for some bizarre reason, they think they're just not at risk. Be honest - have you ever had an STD test yourself? Fact is, if you're a sexually active person and you've never had an STD test before, then you are a much bigger risk to a hooker than she is to you.
If you do decide to go for it, do some research first. Start in the London section of this site and maybe find some links to local escort forums. If you want to be really, REALLY careful, look through all the reviews and pass on any girls who provide BBBJ or other uncovered services. Even better, see if you can find any girls that guys complained about because she refused to do anything without a condom. Once you narrow the field a bit, give a couple of your favourites a call. NEWBIE NOTE: Don't EVER start the conversation with "I've never done this before". Some girls, like myself, would go out of their way to make sure you feel comfortable and enjoy your first experience. Unfortunately, many others will take it as an open invitation to rip you off.
On the phone, ask an open-ended question like "...and what's your policy on condoms?" (Never be afraid to ask questions. You can ask a working girl pretty much anything - we've heard it all before). You'll be able to judge from her answer whether she's firm on condom use or not.
And that's what's important here. Condom use. For the record, when we're talking about disease risks, there is NO SUCH THING as a 'high class escort'. We are all hookers, all doing the same job, all taking the same risks. It makes absolutely NO difference what sort of environment she works in. The only thing that counts, is whether or not she agrees to unsafe sex practices. I know of 'high class escorts' who offer unprotected sex to keep their wealthy clients coming back. I also know a heroin-addicted street girl who punched a guy in the face when he tried to force her mouth onto his dick before she had the condom on. Granted, condoms can't really protect you from herpes - BUT - a sex worker who cares enough about her own health to always demand safe sex, is likely to also do STD inspections on her clients (decreasing her risk even further) and have regular STD tests herself.
Can I guarantee that you won't catch something from a sex worker? Of course not. I can't guarantee that your car won't crash on the way to your booking, either. But if you do your homework before you go and practice safe sex while you're there, you do have VERY little chance of anything going wrong. If it makes you feel any better, I worked as a hooker full-time for four years and part-time for three years and I never caught herpes.
Good luck. x
[QUOTE=London 2007]Hi all,
I've never been with an escort before.
I have some money right now, and was planning to spend some of this on my first experience with one.
I'm worried about STD's though - especially herpes. I've gone through in my mind all the reasons for NOT seeing an escort (moral reasons, high cost, etc) and I've managed to cast them all aside... except for the issue of STD's.
To maximize safety, I would use a condom for 100% of the time, and go with a "high class" escort. It would be straight sex and I'd avoid anything risky like anal sex. I'm fairly sure I'd be safe from HIV and most other diseases. However, I know that herpes can be transmitted [b]even with a condom[/b] and that's what's really, really bothering me.
So I was wondering... what are the chances of catching it? Bearing in mind I'd be going with a high class escort, not a street walker, and I'd be using protection throughout. I'm based in London UK, by the way. Is herpes really that common, and easy to catch? If there's more than a 10-20% chance of being infected, then to be honest I don't even want to bother. An hour of fun, followed by a lifetime of incurable disease is something I'm keen to avoid.
I was even thinking about "frottage" (sex with clothes on) to avoid skin contact, but this would feel silly somehow...!
I would greatly appreciate any info.[/QUOTE]You could get her to give you a handjob with a condom and a rubber glove, which would considerably reduce your risk of getting an STD, but you would not have much fun. Quite honestly, if you are so anxious, you might be better off to just save your money and spend it on a new i-pod or something that will give you many hours of pleasure.
Incidentally, "high class" as in escort just means "high fee". It is no indication of her health or social status.
Alright, thanks for the replies so far. :)
On reflection, I think my fears about herpes are probably exaggerated. I've read a few articles now which suggest condoms - although not 100% safe - do offer [b][i]significant[/i][/b] protection from herpes if used correctly. And it seems a large percentage of people (perhaps 80%) are immune from the virus anyway, or will experience only minor symptoms.
Also, I agree that escorts could actually be safer than "ordinary" women. I would certainly think protected sex with an escort is safer than unprotected sex with a random stranger you met in a pub.
I will look around the various websites as you say. I'll still try to be careful about who I pick. But I'm feeling a bit more confident about doing this now.
Read this, according to latest NEJM article, those of us who luv daty are more susceptible to HPV virus.
Good news - there's a vaccine out.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=597653&postcount=979[/url]
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the HPV vaccine is for young WOMEN (up to age 26), preferably virgins.
This vaccine was developed to fight the infection that causes most cases of cervical cancer. The article you linked to seems to make Gardasil out to be almost 'sexist', suggesting there hasn't been enough research into whether it can also prevent 'male' cancers. One simple fact the article neglected to mention though - Gardasil doesn't work on men. It doesn't matter whether future studies focus on oral cancers, penile cancers or cervical cancers. This is not an 'anti-cancer' vaccine. It's an anti-HPV vaccine. It works in women to prevent HPV infection. For some strange biological/genetic/whatever reason, it doesn't appear to work the same way in men.
But theoretically, men will eventually reap the benefits as well. In time, if ALL our young girls are vaccinated against HPV, there will be NO women carrying the virus, so men won't be at risk of catching it either. It will be interesting to see, 20 years or more down the track, whether that has an effect on the other cancers the article mentions.
I love to give DATY, I love to see the girl getting pleasure when I lick her little pussy. However, I never did it without a protection, and this has been either a latex glove cut and open, or a small plastic bag, like those you find in supermarkets.
Now: both of these tools are possibly effective in diminishing the risk of contracting STD's, but they are difficult to manage when you do sex. I heard that there exists latex sheets used by dentists, called "dental dam", which seem to be easier to manage and use: does anyone have any experience with them? Where can one buy them? Are there better products? For instance, it would be nice to have some latex piece which can stay more tight adhering to the body, so one could do a deep DATY without fearing that the tongue's movements could slip away the protection.
Anyone had experience with Molluscum Contagiosum ? And better yet any fast cures?
Not a pure STD as such, and not dangerous, but a bit of an annoyance nonetheless to be rid of in a hurry. Seems to be spread through skin to skin contact and use of towels etc..
I hadn't heard of any treatment except cryotherapy, like they do for warts (not exactly a 'fast' cure - you're still looking at a couple of weeks before it's completely healed), but according to the site below, you can also use a cream. Molluscum will eventually heal without treatment, but it can take quite a while.
[url]http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Molluscum_contagiosum?OpenDocument[/url]
There's no avoiding it, baby - get yourself to the Doc! ;)
Euroknight,
Dental dams can be purchased from sex shops, chemists or wherever you buy your condoms, but you might have to shop around a bit, because not everybody stocks them.
I've used dental dams for both giving and receiving oral sex and quite frankly - I hate them. They are all but impossible to manage, opaque (so you can't see anything), lolly-scented (so you can't smell or taste anything) and, most importantly, so darn thick you can't feel anything!! I probably shouldn't really say that, because I do know people who use them quite easily and are perfectly happy with how they feel - I'm just not one of them. :)
My handy hint for the day:
Get an ultra-thin, lubricated condom. It doesn't have to be ultra-thin, but they are obviously the best for sensation. Also, be sure it's only lubricated with lubricant, not spermicide.
Don't un-roll it! Take a pair of scissors and cut off the tip of the condom, then make another cut from the outside to the hole you just made in the middle. Gently roll it out and you should have a piece of latex, conveniently shaped like a triangle.
Place the triangle over the lucky girl's pink bits, lubricant side DOWN. The lubrication improves sensation for her and sort of sticks the condom to her skin, making it easier to keep in place during DATY.
Like condoms, you should only use your makeshift dam once and you shouldn't move it around from one area to another (for example, from rimming to DATY) or from one woman to another.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Euroknight,
..........
My handy hint for the day:
.......
[/QUOTE]Thank you Nursey! Your tool seems quite a good, handy and safe solution. I will certainly try it.
Yeah, already went to the SHC, did the freezing cryotherapy.. it works, kind of.. but there can still be a few hanging around, which is kind of unsightly.. lol.
Not a big deal, but have done the right thing and "quarantined" myself until they clear up (yeah looking at a month or so).
I read a few "home therapies", such as using Clearasil (acne) wash, and cream as well.. this seems to have helped somewhat.. will post if any further results.
As a matter of interest, kids can get these on their body as well, so they're not JUST sexually transmitted.. I read a few amusing reports from adults who got them, and their partners wanted to split due to thinking they caught an STD from someone else, when the reality was that they got it through other means.
In my case though, it probably was from contact with some wench.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I hadn't heard of any treatment except cryotherapy, like they do for warts (not exactly a 'fast' cure - you're still looking at a couple of weeks before it's completely healed), but according to the site below, you can also use a cream. Molluscum will eventually heal without treatment, but it can take quite a while.
[url]http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Molluscum_contagiosum?OpenDocument[/url]
There's no avoiding it, baby - get yourself to the Doc! ;)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Enjoy![/QUOTE]
Great sarcasm, RN.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Great sarcasm, RN.[/QUOTE]
Well, what was I supposed to say...go forth and procreate? :)
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Well, what was I supposed to say...go forth and procreate? :)[/QUOTE]Do not worry, Nursey, I really appreciate your help. I know that some people think that no!, DATY should be done without any protection!, who cares about STD's!?, doctors do ot know what they say when they recommend to avoid direct contact, etc. etc. Well, I do not see any reason why one should induce some girls into the risk of getting some STD and viceversa, and I do not feel any shame to admit that I prefer to protect the girl and myself as much as I can.
I am embarking on a new relationship with a woman who told me she has genital herpes. She got it during protected sex (I know that's possible) from a guy who didn't bother to tell her that he has it.
She got it in July 2006 and had an outbreak. She was put on acyclovir (sp?) for three months, then stopped. She has not had an outbreak since and it has been almost one year.
I'm aware of the risks, including "sub-clinical shedding," which basically means that you can get it even when she's not in an outbreak, although I understand the chances are slim.
I have been tested positive for having the antibodies for herpes, which the doc said does not mean that I have it, only that at some time in my life I have been exposed to it. I have never had an outbreak or any signs of it. But I read in a forum on the web that having tested positive does mean that I have it.
My questions are:
Do I have it or not?
Does having sex with her without a condom and when she is not in an outbreak pose a significant risk to me?
Does the fact that she has had no further outbreak bode well for her and for me not getting it?
Does the fact that I carry the antibodies make it less likely that I can get it, or more likely?
Can I get it from performing oral sex on her?
I will greatly appreciate any feedback/answers to my questions. Thanks much!
If you have any info on MRSA in general please contact me .
John JR
Hey Folks.
With all the misinformation out there, (I have my doubts about the CDC. They act like any non-monogamous sexual activity will likely lead to an STD, yet they think it was okay to allow some turkey with incurable TB to sneak back into the USA), I was wondering is anyone has any PERSONAL experience with catching a STD after safe sex? That is PERSONAL experience, not what happened to your cousin's brother's best friend's nephew!
For what it is worth. I have sex 3 or 4 times a year with a prostitute, (all I can afford! ), have been doing this for 10 years, and was clean at my last STD check.
[QUOTE=Doc Bill]
I have been tested positive for having the antibodies for herpes, which the doc said does not mean that I have it, only that at some time in my life I have been exposed to it. I have never had an outbreak or any signs of it. But I read in a forum on the web that having tested positive does mean that I have it.
My questions are:
Do I have it or not?
Does having sex with her without a condom and when she is not in an outbreak pose a significant risk to me?
Does the fact that she has had no further outbreak bode well for her and for me not getting it?
Does the fact that I carry the antibodies make it less likely that I can get it, or more likely?
Can I get it from performing oral sex on her?
I will greatly appreciate any feedback/answers to my questions. Thanks much![/QUOTE]
Recent member of this club and this is what I've found out based on research, discussions with my doctors, etc.:
1. Two tests were done, Igm and Igg. Both are antibodies tests, Igm strong positive means you recently were infected, Igg positive means you were infected in past. Last june (2006) my Igm titer was high, Igg low - which indicated I was recently infected. This past May my Igm titer non-existent, but Igg titer strong - this confirms infection probably occurred last spring/summer (2006).
2. Weird thing is when I had small lesion on penis June 06, went to have it tested and came back negative! And from June 2006 until early May 2007, no symptons, eg shedding, blisters, sores, pain, etc. Thought I had prostatitis until last month?
3. Recently, like two wks ago, got very small blister(s) on left side of penis and started valtrex. And visiting doc tomorrow for followup.
3. Since May 07, extreme pain/discomfort in urethra area, tested negative for HIV and other STD but confirmed I am herpes II positive. If you have antibodies, it's not like the traditional view where antibodies means you contracted disease and not immune to it. It means unfortunately you are infected and so far, there is no cure for Herpes II.
4. According to CDC, you can in theory pass on even with condom use. Best is take valtrax, use condom and when symptomatic, avoid sex to pass on to partner.
I'm not sure how I got it. I always have protected vaginal/anal sex but also am a weakling for good BBBJCIM. I monger regularly in Asia and whenever I travel have multiple sessions....
Wish I had more....haven't told my spouse yet. Strange as it doesn't appear she is infected but at some point I've got to open up to her and take whatever shit that comes my way. And of course get her tested....
And here I was feeling pretty good with my neg HIV test, and you guys opened up the herpes forum. Although my first wife had it, I never got anything from her. My 2nd wife caught it from some A-hole after we divorced.
(Poetic justice to me ,since I'm the best she is ever gonna have ,but too stupid to know).
I guess I'm gonna have to seek those tests since I have lost total count off all the girls I've had all over the world.
Regarding cunnilingus,
Have anyone used this thing called latex barrier or dental dams during pussy eating before?
[url]http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/sexual_health/ssc/dams.htm[/url]
It is suppsoed to be a type of protection for STD from pussylicking, but it looks clumsy and I am wondering if the pleasure from it would be reduced a lot.
Thanks for your feedback.
Elsie Suet,
Scroll down to the bottom of this page - we had a dental dam discussion just a short time ago.
Thanks Rubber Nursey.
i'VE JUST BEEN TO THE DOCTOR AND GOT MINE FROZEN AND SCRATCHED AWAY. HE TOLD ME TO KEEP THE AREA UNDER CONTROL FOR THE NEXT 2/3 MONTHS SINCE NEW SMALLER LITTLE "SPOTS" MAY APPEAR.
NOTHING TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT, BUT STILL DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN AT HOME.
[url]http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/molluscum.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Gallo Ingles]It seems to me that the condom offers great protection from those bugs transmitted through fluids, but I wonder about skin to skin contact such as that around the balls where they touch against a woman. HPV? Herpes?[/QUOTE]One possible solution could be the Full Coverage Condom:
[url]http://www.amazinginnovations.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_77&products_id=772&osCsid=b0cd36528aee9026fcfceacff907d0be[/url]
also know as the Cock & Ball Sheath/Condom:
[url]http://www.thelatexstore.com/proddetail.php?prod=MB607&cat=21&nav=[/url]
Lol, those look awesome.
Are they available to order in the UK though?
What dangers can these two activities cause? I am afraid they are covered here.
How long does it take usually for the symptom to appear after being infected?
[QUOTE=Freeman 418]Recently I have been thinking about the topic of going down on women (working and non-working), and the risks involved.
Yes, I'm also really into giving DATY/eating out and the very occasional rimming to gals.
Anyway, I was wondering if ANYONE had been caught out by this practive and copped an STD? From my reading is seems quite low risk,, but the if I had to mend my ways, I guess I would.
I read somewhere that risk is higher for a girl giving a BBBJ, than a guy going down on a girl?
Also, is there any truth to the effectiveness or usefulness of rinsing out with Listerine/Medicated mouthwash afterwards?? I've been doing this.
I do get a check-up every 6 months or so, and also before entering any long-term "real" relationship.. the last thing u would want is to give anything to a significant other.
Cheers,
FM[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Great Wall]How long does it take usually for the symptom to appear after being infected?[/QUOTE]
That depends on what you get infected with. It could be anywhere from a couple of days, to a few months - or you could get no symptoms at all, which is probably more likely. The only way to be sure is to have regular STI tests and if you're a frequent diner, you should probably ask for a throat swab while you're at it.
[QUOTE=Great Wall]Cat bath and breast sucking. What dangers can these two activities cause? I am afraid they are covered here.[/QUOTE]
Zilch, zero, nada. If you wanted to talk absolute worst case scenario, I guess you could get a skin-to-skin infection like molluscum or scabies or warts if she was sliding around on top of you naked - but that would be pretty darn unlikely.
Aside from the general risks involved with being in close contact with another person (Hep A, influenza, the common cold, etc) STI-wise, I think you can safely say that these activities are absolutely risk free.
[url]http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/26-07-2007/95288-sex_lubricant-0[/url]
26.07.2007 Source:
An experimental sex lubricant designed by Australian researchers could help block both HIV and genital herpes, a study suggests.
Tests on lab animals have shown that the microbicide gel, called Viva Gel, inactivates the HIV virus and another responsible for genital herpes.
Lead researcher Dr Jeremy Paull from Melbourne-based pharmaceutical company Starpharma told the International AIDS Society conference in Sydney the gel would be used by heterosexual men who apply it directly to themselves before sex.
It would be most useful in sub-Saharan African nations where the HIV epidemic is mostly seen among heterosexuals.
The active ingredient in the microbicide is dendrimer, a molecule which binds itself to the viruses and prevents them from infecting healthy cells, Dr Paull said.
Recent trials on animals have shown it is between 85 and 100 per cent effective at blocking both viruses.
Safety trials of the gel are now underway in humans. The first results, presented at the congress, show it is safe and well tolerated in healthy men, uncircumcised or not.
Dr Paull said the gel's ability to prevent genital herpes was particularly positive, news.com.au reports.
VivaGel(TM) is being developed as a topical vaginal microbicide for the prevention of HIV and genital herpes, and is currently under investigation in healthy female volunteers in two separate expanded safety clinical trials at four sites in the U.S. and Kenya. VivaGel(TM) also shows promise as a contraceptive agent.
VivaGel(TM) is also being explored as a condom coating following the recent signing of an agreement with a leading international condom company.
The agreement includes a program of evaluation and development and also commercialisation rights covering condoms with VivaGel(TM) coatings within a specified geographical region. The condom company, whose name may not be disclosed for reasons of confidentiality, holds the leading market position within that region. The market in question is in the developed world, and ranks within the top five globally, measured by GDP, CNNMoney.com reports.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Zilch, zero, nada. [/QUOTE]
Does that also include lactating females, RN?
[QUOTE=Mature Man][url]http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/26-07-2007/95288-sex_lubricant-0[/url]
26.07.2007 Source:
An experimental sex lubricant designed by Australian researchers could help block both HIV and genital herpes, a study suggests.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting this MM. So far, though, all microbicides have been very disappointing. Let's hope this will change..
[QUOTE=Pute Nut]Does that also include lactating females, RN?[/QUOTE]
I hadn't thought of that. :)
I know there's conflicting views (as always) about the levels of the HIV virus found in breast milk. I had a search around and according to UNAIDS et al, they estimate about 15% of babies will contract HIV from their mothers breastmilk. If a baby drinking large amounts of milk every day for at least six months has an 85% chance of being ok, the risk of sucking on a lactating breast for an hour would surely be negligible.
There's also a chance of Hep B&C being present in breast milk, but the rates of transmission reported were even lower than the HIV rates. Most of the articles I found said that breastfeeding wasn't a method of transmission for other common STIs, at all.
Of course, there's always some poor bugger that defies the odds and manages to get sick doing something considered completely safe! Also, breastfeeding women often get cracked and sore nipples, so if she was bleeding at all, the risks would probably increase.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because appeared to be a commercial message and/or it contained links to a commercial website. Please post reports consisting primarily of a commercial nature and/or reports with a link or links to commercial websites in the Classified Advertisement section of the Forum. Please read the Forum's Posting Guidelines and the Forum's FAQ for further information.[/blue][/size]
Survival of the fittest....
The purpose of "crime" is to feed the cop. And the purpose of the cop is to feed itself, it's family and to breed (more cops).
The purpose of "disease" is to feed the doctor. Any doctor is far from being a "charitable organisation" but is aiming to feed itself and it's family and to breed more (doctors), like himself.
Surprise, surprise....the son of a cop is more likely to become a cop and the son of the doctor likewise. There is an oversupply of doctors and cops. Universities and other institutions vomiting them out by the thousands every year. To feed them all, there must be "new diseases" found and "new crimes" invented by the "lawmakers" so that everyone gets fed and not laid off work.
****intelligent/ruthless=evolution****
The doctor being rather "intelligent" and the cop rather "ruthless" finds it not too difficult to fool the masses of average "intelligence and morality" on every level.
This is "evolution" in it's purest form. Survival of the fittest. Starting from the simplest bacteria, all follow the same law. The two leading races of the "cops" and "doctors" rising above all the average masses. In order to live they must consume food and this food is the "blood and sweat" of average people. Their food is the masses of humans of "average intelligence" and "average ruthlessness".
****scare by disease/scare by crime****
The doctor scares you by "disease" so that you turn to him and feed him. The cop scares you by "crime" so that you run to him for protection and give him food in exchange.
Neither issues are "real", but they only sound real to the average uneducated, ignorant citizen. The average citizen who is too busy earning a living and has no time to think. Instead of thinking he relies on "belief".
The doctor sells you the idea that it is okay to keep your house filthy, if the cockroaches appear you can always kill them with poison. The cop sells the idea that "bad things" happen to "good people". And that no matter what you do, as long as nobody has seen you doing it, you are innocent and good.
This is how "diarrhoea, pneumonia, fungal infections and general malnutrition" symptoms now are called "aids" simply because it pays better than the previous diseases. I cannot prove the existance or non-existance of "aids" virus, but I can (and anyone can easily) prove that millions live from the belief that it exists and they anxiously hold on to that belief in fear of losing the precious "daily bread".
This includes doctors, nurses, educators as well as the simple "african/asian peasant" who gets fed and clothed for free as long as he claims to have "aids" and not diarrhoea or fungal infection or pneumonia. How many multi-billion dollar "diarrhoea-charity funds" are in Africa?
****weekend drug-smuggler****
Likewise, the average "drug-smuggler" might make a few bucks during his short life. However, those years he will live in constant fear and will find little enjoyment in it. Seldom has he a family of any kind. Soon he will die of stress or be killed or jailed. This is no business to envy.
While on the other side, millions and millions worldwide receive regular monthly salaries and live respected and safe lives from chasing that few thousand in the "drug-trade". Millions in the offices that make the "law", slurping their coffees in luxury every day, and many other millions who clap a fancy weapon (legally) on their side and go on cheerful hunting parties amid great fuss and media-coverage, chasing a few miserable foxes.
Happily putting on fat smiles in front of the cameras while holding the cut-off head of a dead fox after the succesful hunt. This is "real drug business" and not the smuggling of a few grams of worthless shit. Only fools do that. Chasing the "bad guys" is much safer and pays more consistently well. One "succesful" drug-runner might make a few thousand bucks during his short, miserable life. While the cop works more slowly and consistently, earning a good yearly salary as well a pension for his retired life going fishing.
This is "real drug business"! Who wants an end of it? Maybe a fool only who would kill the golden egg laying duck. Shall I mention "aids" again? (Yes, all in lower case because the capital letters intentionally just add more to the big fuss and fear about it).
****be healthy?....start with thinking****
What is "safe sex"? That you don't get sick? If you cover up your cock with a rubber you won't get cock-disease. But you will get heart-disease. Or cancer. Or alzheimer, or parkinson or whatever else. Shall I say: 'Clean your house inside and out and you will have no problems with cockroaches'? Do nothing bad and nothing bad will happen to you. It's hard, ay? Better use the spray? Well, it's your choice bro.
It is criminal to advise anyone that: 'It is okay to live in dirt, because you can always kill the cockroaches with more poison.' Yet this is what the doctors keep telling you. So, what is safe sex? Is all your safety in a rickety condom? Yet, all so many guys here seem to advise others here to "wear a condom -be safe!".
****business is good....*****
Sorry, I am not calling anybody stupid here. Just ignorant. You have been fooled. There is "aids" and "crime" only as far as there is business in it. As long as it feeds and pays well, there will always be more and more "crime" and more "aids" and a multitude of other misterious illnesses. And of course as long as there are ignorant masses to fool and feed on.
This is evolution. Survival of the fittest. Should I say the "most ruthless"?
Safe sex.....safe sex....safe sex......?
Hi All,
I licked a pussy and next day I got a bad throat, would it be related and can I get HIV through Pussy licking.
Info appreciated
When I went to Prague, I got a skin infection that turned into a cyst the size of a half dollar and had to go on antibotics. It is not just STD. People carry bacteria on their skin that can pass to your skin. I got some bacteria from some girl and now that cyst can come back whenever it wants. If it comes back, my dermotologist will have to remove it. Sure, it's not STD. But it is still something. I got it with my first girl in Prague. So even if you practice safe sex and do not get herpes, you will still get something. In my case, a skin bacteria which still resides in my skin somewhere.
[QUOTE=TeenieWeenie]Hey Folks.
With all the misinformation out there, (I have my doubts about the CDC. They act like any non-monogamous sexual activity will likely lead to an STD, yet they think it was okay to allow some turkey with incurable TB to sneak back into the USA), I was wondering is anyone has any PERSONAL experience with catching a STD after safe sex? That is PERSONAL experience, not what happened to your cousin's brother's best friend's nephew!
For what it is worth. I have sex 3 or 4 times a year with a prostitute, (all I can afford! ), have been doing this for 10 years, and was clean at my last STD check.[/QUOTE]
I am glad you posted this. I was going to try the uncovered BJ next but after your experience, I'll keep the condom on. What I try to do is go out every week and look for a normal girl who I can trust and do the uncovered protection. Then if things are really dry, I will go overseas and have protected sex as a backup plan. But I am always looking for normal clean girls for the unprotected sex. You have to diversify your girls like stocks. Find clean girls to do the uncovered stuff and go to Asia when things get really bad at home. Some Asian men have two families, one here and one there. You should find a regular chick there and get her tested.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Recent member of this club and this is what I've found out based on research, discussions with my doctors, etc.:
1. Two tests were done, Igm and Igg. Both are antibodies tests, Igm strong positive means you recently were infected, Igg positive means you were infected in past. Last june (2006) my Igm titer was high, Igg low - which indicated I was recently infected. This past May my Igm titer non-existent, but Igg titer strong - this confirms infection probably occurred last spring/summer (2006).
The concept of starting a second family in Asia sounds intriguing. Where have you been in Asia, and of all those places, where would you recommend starting that second family?
[QUOTE=Guy #2]I am glad you posted this. I was going to try the uncovered BJ next but after your experience, I'll keep the condom on. What I try to do is go out every week and look for a normal girl who I can trust and do the uncovered protection. Then if things are really dry, I will go overseas and have protected sex as a backup plan. But I am always looking for normal clean girls for the unprotected sex. You have to diversify your girls like stocks. Find clean girls to do the uncovered stuff and go to Asia when things get really bad at home. Some Asian men have two families, one here and one there. You should find a regular chick there and get her tested.
I caught this of a thai girl who had this on her shoulder - of course she nor I knew what it was - we both assumed it was an insect bite. Within a week I also had it on my shoulder - even though I was with her for one night. I got some skin cream from thai chemist - but it took around 3 months to completely disappear. Best not to touch it at all - although it's quite itchy.
[QUOTE=Freeman 418]Anyone had experience with Molluscum Contagiosum ? And better yet any fast cures?
Not a pure STD as such, and not dangerous, but a bit of an annoyance nonetheless to be rid of in a hurry. Seems to be spread through skin to skin contact and use of towels etc..[/QUOTE]
This is a reposting of an earlier report which I have decided to post here following a suggestion by Jackson who considered that it may be more suitable and appropriate for this thread.
To put all arguments to rest, I herewith quote from one of the world's foremost and authoritative source in disease control, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, USA.:
Quote:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/testing/resources/qa/be_tested.htm#wait[/url]
"How long after a possible exposure should I wait to get tested for HIV?
Most HIV tests are antibody tests that measure the antibodies your body makes against HIV. It can take some time for the immune system to produce enough antibodies for the antibody test to detect, and this time period can vary from person to person. This time period is commonly referred to as the “window period.” Most people will develop detectable antibodies within 2 to 8 weeks (the average is 25 days). Even so, there is a chance that some individuals will take longer to develop detectable antibodies. Therefore, if the initial negative HIV test was conducted within the first 3 months after possible exposure, repeat testing should be considered >3 months after the exposure occurred to account for the possibility of a false-negative result. Ninety-seven percent of persons will develop antibodies in the first 3 months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to 6 months to develop antibodies to HIV.
Another type of test is an RNA test, which detects the HIV virus directly. The time between HIV infection and RNA detection is 9–11 days. These tests, which are more costly and used less often than antibody tests, are used in some parts of the United States."
UnQuote.
Although you may have spoken to your doctor, not all doctors are expert in HIV. The information imparted to you by your doctor is inaccurate and outdated. I am extremely surprised by what your doctor have told you. Is your doctor living in the dinosaur age? What he has said may have been true during the Jurassic Park age before the advent of all those sensitive tests but now is the space age. Where did he get his medical training? Perhaps he should consider going back to medical school again and get further training and update on his medical knowledge about HIV and AIDS. Having a medical degree does not make him an expert in HIV and AIDS and the doctor is frequently not an expert in drugs too. The expert in drugs is the pharmacist.
The Seattle and King county public health site says:
Quote:
[url]http://www.metrokc.gov/health/apu/infograms/hivantibody0903.htm[/url]
"Currently used antibody tests are more sensitive than those used in the past. Most people will develop detectable antibodies by 30 days after infection with HIV 1,2. Nearly everyone who is infected with HIV (99%) will have antibodies detected by 3 months after infection 3. Rarely do people take longer than 3 months, but it can happen 4.
A person may need to wait at least 6 weeks from the time they thought they could have gotten the virus before taking the test. Waiting longer, up to three months, will give better information about whether they are actually infected with HIV. "
Unquote.
As I have said in my previous report, there is a RNA test, which if taken by Blueprint will very quickly allay his fears after his initial exposure. However RNA testing is more expensive than those tests to be taken at three and six months intervals after initial exposure.
Earlier detection by RNA testing and if proven positive would mean an earlier treatment for HIV.
Blood tests can now make for early detection of HIV. For instance, blood banks commonly use a combination of both Enzyme-Linked ImmunoSorbent Assay (ELISA) and Western blot tests to detect HIV in donor blood.
i never knew this disease or met anybody who got it, i had to search in holy google to understand what is, however i found this:
[url]http://www.forces-of-nature.org/molluscum_contagiousum/molluscum_contagiousum_virus_treatment.htm[/url]
we have always to keep open eyes out there in our hobby...
speed touch, thanks to share with us you experience !
take care.
Know before you go:
List Vaccinations To Get, Depending on Destination
[url]http://wwwn.cdc.gov/travel/destinationList.aspx[/url]
General Info about Hep A , Hep B
[url]http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4075abc.pdf[/url]
A Public Service Announcement Brought To You By Water Boy
Which pharmaceutical drugs have I to use to fuck without condom?
Possibly inappropriate for this forum...cunnilingus and aids
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this, please advise if so.
I was always of the opinion that cunnilingus was a fairly safe method of oral sex provided you didn't have open mouth wounds for fluids/blood to enter. I also followed the following four points:
1. Lots of saliva on tongue (apparantly saliva content overpowers hiv bug)
2. Only use tongue in areas exposed to open air (virus can't live long when exposed to open air)
3. Don't do it if you have mouth sores, ulcers, bleeding gums, cold sores etc (where fluids could enter your bloodstream through)
4. No deep tongue action (supporting point 2).
I read online yesterday (but it was a dated article that I now cannot bloody find again! ) that this line of thought is all bs and there are documented cases of guys partaking in nothing more than oral sex (cunninlingus) contracting hiv. Does anyone have anythougts/facts in support of or refuting this?
As a person who loves tucking into a tasty Indon furburger, this now causes me some concern, and I have a sneaking suspicion I may not be the only one.
Again, apologies if this is the wrong forum to post this in.
Regards,
Fieldmouse
Fieldmouse,
There have also been cases of lesbians contracting HIV, which is presumed to be a result of cunnilingus...but the problem is that cunnilingus is very rarely performed alone. Lesbian sex also often includes sex toys, long fingernails, menstruation, etc which can also present a risk.
In straight sex, it's generally part of foreplay and followed by intercourse. People who have unprotected oral and then covered sex would assume they caught it from the unprotected oral, but it may have actually been from condom slippage or pre-cum (before the condom was put on)...maybe even getting fluids in their eyes or whatever.
The only completely safe way to engage in ANY sexual activity, is to use the appropriate prophylactic (latex barriers/dental dams). Cunnilingus is an extremely low risk activity as far as HIV goes, but the only way to be absolutely sure is to use protection. Otherwise, ensuring that she doesn't have her period or cuts, sores or irritation around her vagina - and ensuring you don't have cuts, sores or irritation in your mouth - is sensible. But don't forget that there's other things that are much easier to catch from oral sex, like gonorrhoea and Hep A&B.
Regardless of HIV risks, if you have a coldsore you should not go anywhere near a woman's genitals, or you risk giving her herpes. (Same goes if she gives you a BBBJ with a coldsore).
And before anyone jumps on me, yet again...yes, oral sex is just about as safe as it gets and no, I'm not scaremongering. HIV is very difficult to catch in any type of sexual activity, let alone oral sex (especially for men) - but it would be irresponsible to suggest there is NO risk.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Which pharmaceutical drugs have I to use to fuck without condom?[/QUOTE]
If people keep using precautionary antibiotics instead of taking some responsibility for their sexual health, we're eventually gonna see the day when Chlamydia wipes out female fertility and Gonorrhoea is a death sentence. Every time some selfish condom-hater chooses to use drugs instead of condoms, he contributes to the mutation and resistance of these infections. Not to mention merrily spreading diseases like herpes, warts and HIV, which don't respond to antibiotics. And getting women pregnant.
There's only three safe choices - abstinence, monogamy or condoms. Anything else and your risking your health, your partner's health and public health.
[QUOTE=Gallo Ingles]It seems to me that the condom offers great protection from those bugs transmitted through fluids, but I wonder about skin to skin contact such as that around the balls where they touch against a woman. HPV? Herpes?[/QUOTE]Here is an option. Wear some latex briefs with a hole in the front. A regular condom can stick through the opening. Scroll down to the bottom of this page to see an example:
[url]http://new.twistmyrubberarm.com/menu.php?code=2031&cat=23[/url]
The same site has an almost normal condom with full coverage available in three colors. The red one is shown in the above picture with the briefs and the transparent one looks normal.
[url]http://new.twistmyrubberarm.com/menu.php?code=6023&cat=26[/url]
A little 'trick of the trade' is to put a hole in the middle of a dental dam (a latex square used for cunnilingus), slide it down over the penis, then put the condom on as normal. The dam completely covers the balls and surrounding areas.
[url]http://intlbio.net/html/contraceptive.html[/url]
GEDA® Plus Microbicidal Contraceptive Gel is a clear, greaseless gel. Our in vitro and in vivo studies have shown that GEDA® Plus is effective in killing:
· HIV-1 and 2
· Herpes I and II
· Hepatitis B
· Syphilis
· Gonorrhea
· Chlamydia
· Candida
· Gardnerella Vaginalis
· Trichomonas
· Cytomegalovirus
I have read advice for people with mouth ulcers to abstain from oral sex.
My question is, do you heed this advice? Or just go for it anyway?
I frequently get mouth ulcers but am eager to lick a lot of pussy on a future FKK trip when I may well have ulcers.
What's your personal risk assessment of this?
Guys,
Any suggestion on best quality condoms, the ones most unlikely to tear by hard ramming (straight sex).
Cheers
While fingering a working girl, I realized that she still had her period and was bleeding. I quickly washed my hand. I have no cuts or abrassions on any of the fingers. Should I be worried?
[QUOTE=Cock Sure]I have read advice for people with mouth ulcers to abstain from oral sex.
My question is, do you heed this advice? Or just go for it anyway?
I frequently get mouth ulcers but am eager to lick a lot of pussy on a future FKK trip when I may well have ulcers.
What's your personal risk assessment of this?[/QUOTE]I friend of mine cought gonorrhoea from a Thai girl, after he got sore throat and high temperature, but he didnt know it was this disease, doctors told him when got back home. So its better not to risk.
[QUOTE=Bret76]Guys,
Any suggestion on best quality condoms, the ones most unlikely to tear by hard ramming (straight sex).
Cheers[/QUOTE]Japanese Sagami, They are not natural latex, super thin only a bit tough to get in but they last hours of ramming. I have usually lots of problems but they never tore.
Happy hunting
[url]http://www.freedomantiviral.com/antiviral_lube.htm[/url]
Pre-Fix Lubricant is an anti-viral sexual lubricant that helps to prevent transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).
[url]http://www.slicplus.com/[/url]
Anti-STD Personal Lubricant. If the condom splits, tears or breaks, you still have a 600% greater resistance against contracting an STD.
[url]http://www.reprotect.com/products.shtml[/url]
BufferGel is a microbicidal spermicide that shows promise for prevention of STDs, including HIV/AIDS.
[url]http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/New-sex-gel-blocks-HIV-genital-herpes/2007/07/25/1185043163534.html[/url]
An experimental sex lubricant, called Viva Gel, inactivates the HIV virus and another responsible for genital herpes. It is between 85 and 100 per cent effective. The gel would be used by heterosexual men who apply it directly to themselves before sex.
[url]http://www.microbicide.com/[/url]
Microbicides are new technologies being developed in the form of gels, creams, tablets, or rings to help prevent sexually transmitted infections, most critically, but not entirely, HIV/AIDS.
[url]http://www.syringabio.co.za/anti_std_sti.htm[/url]
Traditionally, syringa has been a treatment for sexually transmitted diseases. Use of VAGPEN CLEANER a syringa/kelp-based lotion used as a vaginal lubricant is effective against vaginal infections.
[url]http://www.natropractica.com/herbalcondom.html[/url]
Research was done on the effect of carrageenan and other components of Red Marine Algae and other Seaweeds on Herpes and HPV. Red Marine Algae Sex Gel is a natural carrageenan containing lube.
[url]http://www.productsherbal.com/natural/coconut-oil-a-natural-mouth-ulcer-cure.html[/url]
Coconut oil has anti-viral, anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties which can help to combat viruses, bacteria and fungus that can be found in a persons mouth.
Azithromycin is often used for non-gonococcal urethritis.
The following is from a drug info site: Azithromycin is used to treat certain infections caused by bacteria, such as bronchitis; pneumonia; sexually transmitted diseases (STD); and infections of the ears, lungs, skin, and throat.
I found an interesting article today and posted it in the safe sex thread in Thailand.
Since this is too interesting to only be available in the Thailand thread, I post a link here:
[post]682962[/post]
[url]http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=male-semen-makes-hiv-more-potent[/url]
I don't know if this is the right thread. Would anyone recommend me a porn movie showing a dog f**king a woman or a woman doing a BJ to a horse? I searched Internet but didn't get the specific answer.
What do you guys think about Hep A+B vaccinations?
Do most serious mongerers on here get these innoculations?
Or are they overkill if you are not doing any anal or rimming, just BBBJ, kissing and covered sex?
I am thinking of adding these to my armory, it seems a no brainer but I wonder why more people aren't innoculated - are there potential side effects?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]A little 'trick of the trade' is to put a hole in the middle of a dental dam (a latex square used for cunnilingus), slide it down over the penis, then put the condom on as normal. The dam completely covers the balls and surrounding areas.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be better to put the condom on first? Slide the dental dam almost to the bottom of the condom, but stop before the ring at the end. That way the condom can't slip off accidentally and the two pieces overlap, avoiding an uncovered gap in between them.
Dude, BBFS? Are you kidding me? If you have trouble with sex sans condom than maybe you should settle down with someone and find a less risky hobby. Stamp collecting perhaps? Can you do us all a favor and include details for every gal you have ever contaminated so the rest of us know to stay away. I might have to just cancel my trip to ANY part of the world you have had sex in. Blah. Just sickens me.
[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]That morning, I was free and decided to visit the botanical garden of Medellin.
I arrived there by taxi around 9:30 pm, paid my entrance fee (4K) and start the visit. The garden is under restoration and is part of the big decision, taken by the former Mayor of Medellin, to have one of the best Botanical Garden in the world!
To say the truth, I’ve seen better Botanical garden, for example Bogota looks better to me, but still, the Medellin’s Garden is worth the visit.
I appreciate the orchideorama with a spectacular wood construction that remind orchids. , the bamboo section is poor (especially compared with the incredible Parque del café from Armenia), The desert section is not bad and so on.
You can have a look to their (nice) Internet site here: [url]http://www.jbmed.org/[/url]
It took me 150 minutes to visit the Garden and then I walk till the very close Metro station and went back to the center.
I started to explore casas like Bell suite Car 45 56-45, Sexi Car 45 57-55, Aiffe Car 45 58-69, but couldn’t find an interesting girl to entertain me.
Finally, I walked till the De Grieff Avenue and found a charming cute young beauty: Luisa. We talked a little bit and quickly defined that she was ok to give me the minimum I was expecting that day (BBBJ, DATY & pictures) so we walked till a motel near bye.
Luisa is thin, have a tiny belt and a nice face. Her boobs are natural (small) and she asks me 40K for 60 minutes.
Her oral technique is ok and she bearded my DATY. We then started the intercourse and she behaved well, moaning and moving her butt according to me.
I tried to convince her to accept BBFS but there was no way and I screw her covered. As I had had such a wonderful time the night before with Karen, I was enable to come covered with Luisa.
When time was over, I just put my clothes on, kissed good bye and left. Walking out of the motel, I noticed a real nice girl that I had seen once or twice before. That girl rocks! I have to try her on my next visit.
I walked back to the center and decided to have a look at a Casa that Karen recommended me the night before. I called the number she gave me and got the address: Calle 61 53-78, took a taxi and arrived there shortly.
Karen had recommended me a friend of her: Lorena telling me that I’d like her. Once there, I asked for Lorena and was presented to a very nice doll, just the way I love them! I told her that she was recommended by Karen but I could clearly see that she didn’t know who Karen was. So I called Karen and passed her to Lorena. After 5 minutes, I realized that this Lorena was not Karen’s friends. Her friend was not there that day, but I was glad to meet that Lorena. So we talk a little bit and as I was feeling horny and stiff (thanks Sidenafil), we decided to go to the room for an hour.
I had discussed for BBBJ, DATY and pictures (without head) before. Of course, she promised me that she would be hot once in the room.
Once there, Lorena kept her promise. She was really very HOT! She sucked me like a porno actress, very good and very hard. If I wouldn’t have been so sexually tired, I would have come immediately. I then gave her a strong DATY and she asked me to do it a little bit "lighter", I did of course and she seemed to appreciate it moaning a lot.
Then, it was time for intercourse and I tried to convince her (tip) to go BBFS but she refused. So I let her cover me and she started Cow Girl, very good, very porno even with condom. Then missionary, rear (no anal) on our side.
After 15 or 20 minutes of this, I was breathless, sweating and exhausted.
I tried to make a brake, but Lorena wanted more.
Unfortunately, I knew I wouldn’t come with the condom. I asked her to go back BBBJ and she did but there was no way.
At the end she told me " let’s masturbate" and she put her pussy close form my face, introduced 2 fingers in her pussy and start to move them moaning quite loud. I was so desperate to come that I took my best friend and start to masturbate as well.
5 minutes later I was coming quite good.
After a break to recover, we showered and got dressed.
She asked me when would I be back? I told her that I don’t repeat girls if they don’t go BBFS, and guess what? She said OK, next time we’ll go BBFS!
I will certainly repeat her then.
I have made a small video from my meeting with Lorena.
Col Bog & Lorena’s Doggy
Size : 3,7Mo
Length : 0’38”
Quality : poor, pixelated, I have destroyed the original movie before checking the result of compression…
[url]http://www.steekr.com/index.php?m=c9ae77e8&a=7d397569&share=LNK82274786f3ba1930b[/url]
If interested for Lorena, PM for her cell.
Cheers
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]
Mongers,
I fully support ColBog1's neverending search for premium BBFS and I did the same thing myself when I was in Medellin in late November. Only about 3 of the 8 or 9 chicas I slept with went for the bareback action but those were by far the best experiences for obvious reasons. In my experience, the girls most likely to go for BBFS are those between the ages of 18-27 with no children. An older girl with children that has been in the business awhile is much more difficult to talk out of the condom. Although potentially dangerous, BBFS is the pinnacle of success in the p4p game.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,
I fully support ColBog1's neverending search for premium BBFS and I did the same thing myself when I was in Medellin in late November. Only about 3 of the 8 or 9 chicas I slept with went for the bareback action but those were by far the best experiences for obvious reasons. In my experience, the girls most likely to go for BBFS are those between the ages of 18-27 with no children. An older girl with children that has been in the business awhile is much more difficult to talk out of the condom. Although potentially dangerous, BBFS is the pinnacle of success in the p4p game.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]I'm not as supportive but I will say that it's in everyones best interest to understand that there are quite a few people that engage in practices that are universally deemed high risk. Personally my track record is not spotless but I weigh the risks and refrain from doing this in the p4p scene because of the inherently greater risks involved.
I had this paisa at a casa for the usual 30,000 for 30 minutes. I wanted a BBBJ and she said no. Next day I went back and asked for a bBBJ and she said how much will I pay. I said 20,000 and off she went. I pointed to her pussy and she said how much, I say 30,000 and off we went.
That was some sweet wet pussy.
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Which pharmaceutical drugs have I to use to fuck without condom?[/QUOTE]Chlorine Dioxide
[url]http://alternative-medicine-network.com/medicine-chest/mms-chlorine-dioxide/[/url]
Anyone who is in this hobby is taking advantage of the fact that there are young, beautiful girls out there that will have sex with us for money.
If you are going to get on a soapbox and preach to others about their immorality because their way of hobbying is different than yours, well that's what I call hypocrisy.
If you want to do things morally, why don't you take the next step and stop taking advantage of those girls who you do business with, and since you won't be hobbying anymore, there will be no reason for you to be on this board, right?
Question:
I am a person who does things that are disgusting to most people and are dangerous to my health. I do these things to pay my bills and provide for myself and my family. I get other people's bodily fluids on me, sometimes on my face, my hair, and even in my eyes and mouth.
Who am I?
As a plumber, I can speak volumes about doing things that most people would not do for any price. Believe me, I could tell you stories that would turn your stomach, easily.
I consider myself the to be the same as these girls in the following respect;
You can hire me to do things that are disgusting to almost anyone, and dangerous to my health. I do these things to pay my bills and better myself. Considering that most will not do what I do for the money that I am paid, I suppose I am being taken advantage of, as well.
And. I deal with people every day who, even though they admit that they wouldn't do what I just did for them for any price, they do anything they can think of to avoid paying me the rates that I quote, and they've agreed to.
Everyone does what they do for their own reasons. Maybe it's best to allow those who do, to make the decisions about what they want to do and how much they will do it for.
Instead of complaining about what others do or don't do, why not clean up your own act?
Just my opinion.
[QUOTE=John Dough]Chlorine Dioxide
[url]http://alternative-medicine-network.com/medicine-chest/mms-chlorine-dioxide/[/url][/QUOTE]
Isn't it amazing how someone can combine some actual science with complete shite.
[quote=opium89]first, let me say that i have read most of the colombia reports over the past few weeks and not once did i read a post on this position. entirely possible i could have missed it but i would have taken notice. the posts i recall on the topic were those of mr. bog's describing in detail his own stupidity and and lame excuse for it.
sorry, if you've heard it before but apparently you have not heard it enough. if you're one that perfoms or condones barebacking then you're a hazard, plain and simple. it's not a judgement call, it's common sense of which you apparently have none. i feel being a human being is justification enough to call this out, as you seem dead-set on contibuting the species demise.
it's not "different minded" people we're talking about here, it's people who are needlessly careless and those who are not. i am sorry, but if you think this is okay, you should be locked far away from society for a long, long time where you could do no harm! you my friend, by either performing or supporting this act puts the lives and healths of so many people at risk it's frightening. i beg you to please do some research on std's and pregnancy statistics, at very least, do a little math!
and again with the number of posts? please spare me the international sex guide poster-elite b/s! peeper? what are you twelve? grow up. [/quote]opium89,
i normally don't reply to posters like you, as it is useless because anyone stand on his opinion and that just go nowhere.
but i'll try once more to explain my position.
you don't understand and strongly disapprove people who go bb?
and so what? do you think that because you say so, insulting them, you will change something? do you think we don't know the risks?
you beg us to make some research?
what if i invite you to do so as well?
please consider a country like usa or colombia or any reasonably developed country, and search how many people died every year from a car accident and compare it with the number of dead people due to aids.
you drive a car don't you?
do we ask to the society to lock you away as you're a potential killer as any car driver?
now think of this too.
how many people are going bb today in my country?
how many people are driving a car today in my country?
now compare mortality statistics.
do you still like maths?
you say that you're a human being? and that give you rights?
man, you must be very young.
ok then. if you're from the usa, you are the first contributor to the global heating of the planet.
now go 3 steps backwards and compare this statement admitted by all the scientific community, and think if this is not more important than fighting against those stupid bb lover?
i urge you, in the name of mankind to stop loosing your time on mongers forum and use your humanity to something really important to the species.
does my small examples allow you to change your vue?
i strongly doubt as you look so convinced of what you think.
for me, you're just shouting with the mob.
in fact, i'm almost sure that you never have made any research on how aids is transmitted. please, do so. don't stay like that, make a search for example at the who site, and look for statistics from people who dedicate their life to aids.
some people are driven by their passions and some others by their fear.
i'd rather be in the first category.
think about your category.
please, respect others. if you don't like what they post on that forum you have 3 reasonable solutions:
1) put them in your ignore list
2) post your opinion without flaming, giving your point of vue and try to understand the others. things are not as simple as you may think they are, and the world is not black or white.
3) stop reading this forum
this is not a flame post. i have no intention to be aggressive. i just try to have you understand a little bit more people who don't think and act as you do.
ricker ans malodr have giving you short and very sensitive points.
menteng has given you his opinion as well.
as he wrote, we have strong reactions posting on bb activity by newbie on the forum (except for winner maybe). others are used to our eccentricities and don't react anymore or they do it in a more friendly way.
i hope this remains here.
keep cool
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Isn't it amazing how someone can combine some actual science with complete shite.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that if these guys had really managed to find a cure for hepatitis, AIDS and cancer, it would probably have been mentioned on the news by now!
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I have a feeling that if these guys had really managed to find a cure for hepatitis, AIDS and cancer, it would probably have been mentioned on the news by now![/QUOTE]
No doubt Rubber there is a conspiracy theory somewhere that says they are prevented from revealing their cures to the world because multinational drug companies would lose out, or other such shite!!
Cheers
Pete
"...if you want to do things morally, why don't you take the next step and stop taking advantage of those girls who you do business with, and since you won't be hobbying anymore, there will be no reason for you to be on this board, right?...."
george,
not trying to get into the whole back and forth of this, but quite honestly i never have felt i was taking advantage of a female when i was with her. if thats how i felt about it, i wouldnt get involved in pfp services.
i dont have a problem with prostitution and think it should be legalized everywhere.
i am of the mindset that what two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business and if they find each other attractive all the more better. as long as i feel with an honest conscience that the woman is not being forced to do anything she doesnt want to do and is of legal age i dont feel like i am taking advantage of anyone. as a matter of fact, if there isnt a bit of chemistry between myself and a girl i move on. i dont consider that taking advantage of anyone whether its pfp or not.
the other side of the coin might say that the girls are taking advantage of their premium looks or personalities to charge more money to guys that cant get laid but hotties very easily ...and can only get laid for free by old, nutcase, fuglies. though some of that might be true too about the pfp girls, i would not accept that as absolute either. for example, in medellin just about any guy on this board could probably meet a relatively young and relatively attractive girl and have a pretty cool relationship with her if they had the time to do it and didnt mind the headaches. however, they might not have the time to get from first base to home plate within a week and really just want to tag homplate a bunch of times in the little time they have down there.....or maybe the guys just are not interested in headaches of relationships but want the female touch. i also dont think the attractive girls should be labeled as immorally taking advantage of the willing mongers because they can get money from the johns when old and fugly ladies cant.
if someone is strung out on drugs, being forced to do something against their will, or **** and didnt want to be doing what she wanted to be doing by her own decision i definetly would not get involved with those situations.
prostitution is much more accepted in other parts of the world than it is in the uptight usa, but quite frankly i see many marriages and relationships that only exist because their is money involved.
i'll leave it at that, but the point of my post is i dont agree with the blanket statement that every monger, myself included, is taking advantage of the girls i do business with.
[quote=opium89]first, let me say that i have read most of the colombia reports over the past few weeks and not once did i read a post on this position. entirely possible i could have missed it but i would have taken notice. the posts i recall on the topic were those of mr. bog's describing in detail his own stupidity and and lame excuse for it.
sorry, if you've heard it before but apparently you have not heard it enough. if you're one that perfoms or condones barebacking then you're a hazard, plain and simple. it's not a judgement call, it's common sense of which you apparently have none. i feel being a human being is justification enough to call this out, as you seem dead-set on contibuting the species demise.
it's not "different minded" people we're talking about here, it's people who are needlessly careless and those who are not. i am sorry, but if you think this is okay, you should be locked far away from society for a long, long time where you could do no harm! you my friend, by either performing or supporting this act puts the lives and healths of so many people at risk it's frightening. i beg you to please do some research on std's and pregnancy statistics, at very least, do a little math!
and again with the number of posts? please spare me the international sex guide poster-elite b/s! peeper? what are you twelve? grow up.[/quote]
it really is pathetic! i regret it, i reacted on your petty posting. i'm glad jackson made things clear now. go and wallow your bigoted views.
This report was posted in the Shanghai thread - just a reminder that there are idiots out there.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=695946&postcount=2797[/url]
Anyway, wanted to post this link as it is a great free resource on STD's and safe sex.
[url]http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=436[/url]
WGS
What safety measures one can take while doing DATY on professionals?
While I love them just as much as any of you, I still have questions as to why BBBJs are deemed so relatively safe. At the FKKs I have been to, for example, the more popular girls probably have over a dozen sessions a day. That is one reason I have no interest in DFK either.
So why is sticking your dick into a mouth, however beautiful, that has sucked a hundred other dicks that week a relatively safe thing to do?
Does anyone has experience with significant health issues due to BBBJs?
Personally, I make sure to shower immediately afterward, then use some antiseptic solution like Purell. Is this paranoia?
I want to buy some new condoms for my next sex trip i want some confortable with a natural feeling as when you bareback a pussy but i need to protect myself in a country like Ukraine where more 1 percent of all the inhabitants of the country have aids. I enjoy BBBJ and i do it with all girls no problem if they are drug addict or not, i like blowjob without condom and for intercourse it is always covered.
Hi
I always practice safe sex , but even with condom, you can catch for example
Syphilis but it is very rar.
I haver never been tested for Syphilis yet, so maybe it is time now!
I have found a site were you can buy testkits online and make the test anonymus at your home for Syphilis and others
[url]http://atfirstdiagnostic.co.uk/index.html[/url]
Has any other monger been testing this
Regards
BL
[QUOTE=Goodtime Man]While I love them just as much as any of you, I still have questions as to why BBBJs are deemed so relatively safe. At the FKKs I have been to, for example, the more popular girls probably have over a dozen sessions a day. That is one reason I have no interest in DFK either.
So why is sticking your dick into a mouth, however beautiful, that has sucked a hundred other dicks that week a relatively safe thing to do?
Does anyone has experience with significant health issues due to BBBJs?
Personally, I make sure to shower immediately afterward, then use some antiseptic solution like Purell. Is this paranoia?[/QUOTE]
Good question, you can get chlamydia, gonorrhea and herpes from BBBJ, and I don't think you're paranoid, especially if you've got a significant other. I also would be very interested to know if anyone believes they've gotten something that way. Personally, I think I might have gotten something nasty at Eden Club in Bangkok. A couple of women were tag teaming me, and going back and forth between rimming and BBBJ. A couple of months later I end up with a high fever (like 104 degrees F) and can't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. The doctor never came up with a diagnosis though -- just treated me with antibiotics (two weeks of cipro I think) and it went away.
[QUOTE=Great Wall]What safety measures one can take while doing DATY on professionals?[/QUOTE]
If you're going to do something unprotected, then DATY would probably be what you should do. See this:
[url]http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]
The precautions I take -- I don't do it if I've got cuts or sores on my lips, tongue or mouth, and I try to take a good look at what I'm licking. And I'd avoid it if I didn't feel comfortable about the woman. For example, if you were with a crack w*hore or in Africa (where AIDS is rampant), I think it would be unwise.
Some mongers have been concerned about this, but there is no need to worry too much. You can get HIV from breast milk if you are a baby, not if you are an adult monger. This is because babies are less able to fight infection.
[url]http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/319/7210/594/d[/url]
[url]http://www.thebody.com/content/art13590.html[/url]
Wow. Lots of bare back here. Looks like the norm in China. Indo and other countries mostly use condoms. Why do the Chinese girls not want condoms?
[QUOTE=Samchad]Wow. Lots of bare back here. Looks like the norm in China. Indo and other countries mostly use condoms. Why do the Chinese girls not want condoms?[/QUOTE]Long before we got to China and still till this very day. Most Chinese men refuse to wear them. If every hooker in China decided that tomorrow was the start of National condom year , most of them would go broke in a week. I really think its the mans option with the exception of a few women that demand condoms for all of us when with ( Chinese or foreign men).
Take care and be safe with or without condom.
Tile man
[QUOTE=Samchad]Wow. Lots of bare back here. Looks like the norm in China. Indo and other countries mostly use condoms. Why do the Chinese girls not want condoms?[/QUOTE]Many are ignorant, and have no idea how risky it is to let a customer go bareback. Also, many farm girls (even city girls) don't even know the basics of conception.
Girls in saunas tend to cover up, at least the better saunas in my experience.
I would not say that it is the norm to go bareback today, especially in the cities.
IMHO, I think it is completely stupid, foolish and risky to bareback a pro, (however freebies are different on a case by case basis). As well, she risks getting pregnant, though many consider abortion a form of contraceptive.
MAB
[QUOTE=Romano V]I want to buy some new condoms for my next sex trip i want some confortable with a natural feeling as when you bareback a pussy but i need to protect myself in a country like Ukraine where more 1 percent of all the inhabitants of the country have aids. I enjoy BBBJ and i do it with all girls no problem if they are drug addict or not, i like blowjob without condom and for intercourse it is always covered.[/QUOTE]Kimono brand condoms are the best. They are very thin & strong & feels like BBFS.
Using a SP in Prague, she used a condom I had not seen before. On the pack (which I kept as it felt so fantastic) is marked London MarkenPraservative. Has anyone ever heard of these? I think it might have been polyurethane rather than latex.
I'm really glad that I rediscovered this discussion, it reminds me of the true nature of the beast, both good, ($20 head from a 19 yr. old), and the bad (catching chlamydia from said 19 yr. old) Well, after I went through the semi-trauma of catching chlamydia from just getting head (no, really, just head.. DAMN), I took some time off and got serious about mitigating, or at least minimizing, the risks of our lifestyles.
When I know that I'm about to go on the hunt, I start my routine:
1) I start off by taking a shower with antibacterial soap. It must be "real" antibacterial soap, not just anti sweaty smell soap (i.e. Zest). Antibacterial soap is usually in a foaming pump. It also says that you have to wash for at least 6 minutes with it to fully build up a layer of protection, so follow the instructions.
2) I also shave my crotch area, or at least trim it down to minimize the chances of catching pubic lice. When dealing with SW like I often do, you never know where they've been.
3) I make sure to lather on a layer of anti-bacterial gel on my crotch area, front and back (really good BJ's are often, sloppy and her drool is gonna run down the crack of your ass) Purell kills the Herpes Simplex Virus (HSV) type 1(mouth Herpes) and type 2(genital Herpes). it also supposedly protects from the skin infection syphilis. It's a microbicide that kills the virus on contact and protects you for up to 6 hours. (No really, it's true,..look it up!!!) Also, remember to apply it to your hands, and lips and chin area. The lip application may seem little overboard, but most Herpes outbreaks are on the lips. Besides, it you find a SW with DDD or E cup tits, I can guarantee that you are gonna suck on those tits,... just like the last 20 guys did. At least one of them has HSV1. I carry a small bottle of Purell (or it's generic equivalent) in the car with me in case I get lucky.
4) These precautions stated above do not protect against the myriad of other diseases out there, so always use a condom, and dental dam if you DATY.
5) If you can, try to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] shortly after you finish. This might just be bullshit, but it supossedly flushes out of the system any newly forming infections. Of course, if you used a condom, you don't have to worry about this. But If you prefer BBBJ's (who doesn't), well just do yourself the favor.
But again, this could just be a hot load of bullshit.
6) When I get home, I strip and run to the shower. I take another bath with the antibacterial soap, and lather on a little bit of Lice (crabs) killing shampoo. Overboard, perhaps, but I'd prefer to kill any lingering creepy crawlys, BEFORE I get into bed.
OK, so maybe I'm a bit crazy, but so far, I'm either pretty lucky, or my anti STD combination has worked. I'm 31 yrs old, and the only STD I've ever gotten is that chlamydia infection, which really opened my eyes. Believe me, if you've ever tried to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] when you have the clap, it will REALLY open your eyes as well.
My only question is, I've read that there is a anti-clap/gonnoreah pill cocktail that some of you guys used to take almost as a preventive measure (i.e. not even waiting for problems to develop, just take it). Can anyone enlighten me as to what that cocktail mix is,and where to get it. I'm a safety guy, but I can't get down with cbj's. Going from a cbj to a bbbj is like listening to your favorite song, and then taking the cotton out of your ears. Every sensation is just magnified. But it leaves me open to catching the clap again. Please help!
I recently stayed at the Nana hotel in Bangkok and caught a dose of bed bugs.
I have been to a doctor several times and I have been using several prescribed medicines including Kwell and Crotamiton lotions, a Sulfur cream as well as several sulphur based soaps. But despite changing into freshly washed clothes and sheets 2-3 times a day and using all the above medicines, its all been to no avail as I still my newly found "friends" biting me all over my body!
Maybe the Thai strain of these bugs are more virulent and harder to get rid of than the normal bred. I am not sure.
Does anyone have any ideas re medicines or treatments, to get rid of these pests as they are driving me crazy at the moment?
[QUOTE=Bees11]I recently stayed at the Nana hotel in Bangkok and caught a dose of bed bugs.
I have been to a doctor several times and I have been using several prescribed medicines including Kwell and Crotamiton lotions, a Sulfur cream as well as several sulphur based soaps. But despite changing into freshly washed clothes and sheets 2-3 times a day and using all the above medicines, its all been to no avail as I still my newly found "friends" biting me all over my body!
Maybe the Thai strain of these bugs are more virulent and harder to get rid of than the normal bred. I am not sure.
Does anyone have any ideas re medicines or treatments, to get rid of these pests as they are driving me crazy at the moment?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you have scabies. Try some Benzyl Benzoate which is cheap and freely available from any pharmacist.
Good luck,
Chickenlegs
[QUOTE=Tyrell]
My only question is, I've read that there is a anti-clap/gonnoreah pill cocktail that some of you guys used to take almost as a preventive measure (i.e. not even waiting for problems to develop, just take it). Can anyone enlighten me as to what that cocktail mix is,and where to get it. I'm a safety guy, but I can't get down with cbj's. Going from a cbj to a bbbj is like listening to your favorite song, and then taking the cotton out of your ears. Every sensation is just magnified. But it leaves me open to catching the clap again. Please help![/QUOTE]There are several, however, one doxycline pill (I forget the dosage) a day is the best. It is very well tollerated and should prevent a syphilus, chlymidia or gonorhea infection. For Herpes, you would also need to take a valtrex pill once a day.
I used to take the cocktail of two pills when I would vacation out here for a couple of weeks, but don't want to take pills every day on a permanent basis now that I live here. Instead, I take 400mg of oxfloxacin and 1000mg of zithromax about once a month in case I happen to pick up one the three and don't show any symptoms. Of course, you would need to have your significant other take the same take cocktail at the same time for it to work. You can also take 2000mg of zithromax for the same effect, but it is very hard on the stomach.
[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Kimono brand condoms are the best. They are very thin & strong & feels like BBFS.[/QUOTE]As well as Kimono MicroThins may I also suggest :
- Beyond Seven Sheerlon
- Crown Skinless
- Pleasure Plus (which have an interesting 'pouch' with internal ribs)
Of course, it all comes down to personal preference, so get a few of each (from any good online condom retailer) and have some fun trying them all out.
Wow! Thanks LoveAsian*****s. With this info you've opened up a new horizon full of potential fun. Santos St.(Angeles city) here I come. (I better go now before it's turned into a row of condos.) Now if only there was a pill to protect my tender dick from some of the girls harsh teeth.
Again, thanks a lot!!
Will Valtrex really protect you from getting herpes? I know if you've got herpes it can help prevent you from giving it to someone else. But I've got my doubts as to whether taking Valtrex would lower the chances you'd get it if you're not already infected.
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s] For Herpes, you would also need to take a valtrex pill once a day.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]There are several, however, one doxycline pill (I forget the dosage) a day is the best. It is very well tollerated and should prevent a syphilus, chlymidia or gonorhea infection. For Herpes, you would also need to take a valtrex pill once a day.
I used to take the cocktail of two pills when I would vacation out here for a couple of weeks, but don't want to take pills every day on a permanent basis now that I live here. Instead, I take 400mg of oxfloxacin and 1000mg of zithromax about once a month in case I happen to pick up one the three and don't show any symptoms. Of course, you would need to have your significant other take the same take cocktail at the same time for it to work. You can also take 2000mg of zithromax for the same effect, but it is very hard on the stomach.[/QUOTE]
This is really usefull info.
What is the best time of the day to take the pills mentioned by you and can one consume Alchol while on these pills?
[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Will Valtrex really protect you from getting herpes? I know if you've got herpes it can help prevent you from giving it to someone else. But I've got my doubts as to whether taking Valtrex would lower the chances you'd get it if you're not already infected.[/QUOTE]G'day Tiny 12,
Herpes is a virus. Valtrex and other medications will not prevent you from getting Herpes. Viruses are very different from bacteria. Use a condom and check your partner out. If you've got herpes 1-3, get a partner who has the infection as well. There is a website for this , believe it or not!
Chickenlegs
[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]There are several, however, one doxycline pill (I forget the dosage) a day is the best. It is very well tollerated and should prevent a syphilus, chlymidia or gonorhea infection. For Herpes, you would also need to take a valtrex pill once a day.
I used to take the cocktail of two pills when I would vacation out here for a couple of weeks, but don't want to take pills every day on a permanent basis now that I live here. Instead, I take 400mg of oxfloxacin and 1000mg of zithromax about once a month in case I happen to pick up one the three and don't show any symptoms. Of course, you would need to have your significant other take the same take cocktail at the same time for it to work. You can also take 2000mg of zithromax for the same effect, but it is very hard on the stomach.[/QUOTE]
This is really usefull info.
What is the best time of the day to take the pills mentioned by you and can one consume Alchol while on these pills?
Chicken Legs - Thanks
Sorry guys, but you are morons.
Ask yourself one question. Why are there antibiotic resistant bacteria around today?
After you've tried to answer that, ask yourselves why everybody just doesn't take antibiotics everyday to ward off any bacterial infection.
Fortunately, for the moment, the only people you are messing with is yourselves, until you give some poor girl a strain of Zithromax resistant STI, after that... well.
This isn't like innoculation you know, it's a totally different process, but you go ahead.
[QUOTE=Tyrell]3) I make sure to lather on a layer of anti-bacterial gel on my crotch area, front and back (really good BJ's are often, sloppy and her drool is gonna run down the crack of your ass)[/QUOTE]
Perhaps a silicone based barrier cream would add an extra layer of protection for areas not covered by a condom.
[url]http://www.skin-protection.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Chickenlegs1]Perhaps you have scabies. Try some Benzyl Benzoate which is cheap and freely available from any pharmacist.
Good luck,
Chickenlegs[/QUOTE]
If you have any bugs, not matter what, usually kwell lotion used to kill hair lice, available over the counter will cure it. This stuff is like "raid" for mongers. Just follow the instructions completely.
So, this is the thread where we are supposed to talk Safe Sex, since it's impossible to discuss it at the thread where the ofender ofends.
Instead, the ones that want to maintain the hobby clean, get the short end of the stick.
This is not fair at all.
We are all mongers in this Forum, mongers that love a hobby. Mongers that would like to see the practice keep going on and on.
But we are a species spiraling into extinction cause there is a big and increasing amount of people that just don't remember the AIDS crisis of the 80's.
Mongers that practice unsafe sex go scot free at their respective threads with no possibility to try at least to add a grain of salt, trying to make them change their minds.
Oh no, we are the bad guys.
The ones that just don't care if they cause an empidemic and hurt innocent people irresponsibly, are the good guys.
[QUOTE=Dude55]2008-04-26_Bog-Laura3.jpg
Her pussy has growths! gross![/QUOTE]Definitely a bad case of genital worts. More than enough reason to use condoms. Of course Col Bog1 prefers not to use them. I'm wondering if he is showing any symptoms yet.
Guys, this pic alone should be enough reason for you to cover up. Not only for you, but for the next girl you have sex with. Seems Laura when bareback one too many times. Thanks to guys like Col Bog who egg her on. Pitiful.
[QUOTE=Nino Bravo]Definitely a bad case of genital worts. More than enough reason to use condoms. Of course Col Bog1 prefers not to use them. I'm wondering if he is showing any symptoms yet.
Guys, this pic alone should be enough reason for you to cover up. Not only for you, but for the next girl you have sex with. Seems Laura when bareback one too many times. Thanks to guys like Col Bog who egg her on. Pitiful.[/QUOTE]Hi Niño Bravo.
I first wonder when I touched all these pimples.
I then had a closer look and it seems to me that they are beauty spots.
I haven't any sign of Warts so far, but I'll soon be checked.
Thanks for your interest.
They are definiately HPV gential warts. I noticed it when I first saw the images, too.
Using condoms certainly helps, as HPV is transmitted through physicial contact. One can get them at the base of the penis where the ring of the condom ends (personal experience).
Everyone should consider using something called Tarjeta Condon (the blue/Unisex version). It is a synthetic condom with a little apron that convers up the base of the penis. These are produced in Colombia (thus supporting their economy. And I've had them successfully claimed on my FSA account). It is sold in some pharmacies (bigger ones) in Colombia (I found them at the pharmacy at Exito; I purchased 25 packets, the security guy at Exito gave me an interesting look when I was leaving the store and showing him the receipt). They are relatively expensive, like 4-5k COP for each card, which contains 3 condoms.
[url]www.condomcard.com[/url]
Everyone stay safe. And remember, subclinical infection of HPV (no visible warts) can still be transmitted.
TS
[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi Niño Bravo.
I first wonder when I touched all these pimples.
I then had a closer look and it seems to me that they are beauty spots.
I haven't any sign of Warts so far, but I'll soon be checked.
Thanks for your interest.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi Niño Bravo.
I first wonder when I touched all these pimples.
I then had a closer look and it seems to me that they are beauty spots.
I haven't any sign of Warts so far, but I'll soon be checked.
Thanks for your interest.[/QUOTE]This guy will go to extremes to give us the reports that we love! you have to admire a guy like that.
[QUOTE=Team Stream]They are definiately HPV gential warts. I noticed it when I first saw the images, too.
Using condoms certainly helps, as HPV is transmitted through physicial contact. One can get them at the base of the penis where the ring of the condom ends (personal experience).
Everyone should consider using something called Tarjeta Condon (the blue/Unisex version). It is a synthetic condom with a little apron that convers up the base of the penis. These are produced in Colombia (thus supporting their economy. And I've had them successfully claimed on my FSA account). It is sold in some pharmacies (bigger ones) in Colombia (I found them at the pharmacy at Exito; I purchased 25 packets, the security guy at Exito gave me an interesting look when I was leaving the store and showing him the receipt). They are relatively expensive, like 4-5k COP for each card, which contains 3 condoms.
[url]www.condomcard.com[/url]
Everyone stay safe. And remember, subclinical infection of HPV (no visible warts) can still be transmitted.
TS[/QUOTE]Yeah those are warts. I had a similar experience but did not want to go through with the session with one girl. We went to the room and had a few drinks listening to music, she started to undress and got naked in front of me and laid on the bed.
While she was lying down I noticed a cluster of warts or bumps on her leg and ask her what it was and she said its nothing and she had it since birth etc... I did not touch her. She was upset because I did not session with her. I did guve her a little money for her time, but HPV is highly contagious with skin contact. I got myself check when I got back and was OK. But you have to be careful with HPV its very contagious with skin contact.
[QUOTE=Johnath12]This guy will go to extremes to give us the reports that we love! you have to admire a guy like that.[/QUOTE]Sorry, although Col bog may be a nice guy, I certainly don't admire a guy who puts himself and more importantly others at risk. One would think that if he was going to continue with this risky behavior he would at least educate himself regarding sexually transmitted diseases, but based on his previous post he had no idea what genital warts were, thinking they were beauty marks. It; s only a matter of time before he contracts a disease, and of course pass it on to other women. I don't mind a guy whose behavior only affects himself, but his behavior is also affecting others. Yeah, these girls are are just prostitutes, but does that mean we can't think about their well-being also? I mean, who wants to walk around with warts on their genitals?
No, I don't admire Col Bog one bit. Kind of feel sorry for him. It wil all catch up with him one day.
[QUOTE=Nino Bravo] ... Yeah, these girls are are just prostitutes, but does that mean we can't think about their well-being also?[/QUOTE]What is "just a prostitute"?
These are real people, girls, most of them pretty sweet in Colombia if you get to know them a bit.
Why some guys treat them as sub-human, I'll never understand.
[QUOTE=Madd Love]Yeah those are warts. I had a similar experience but did not want to go through with the session with one girl. We went to the room and had a few drinks listening to music, she started to undress and got naked in front of me and laid on the bed.
While she was lying down I noticed a cluster of warts or bumps on her leg and ask her what it was and she said its nothing and she had it since birth etc... I did not touch her. She was upset because I did not session with her. I did guve her a little money for her time, but HPV is highly contagious with skin contact. I got myself check when I got back and was OK. But you have to be careful with HPV its very contagious with skin contact.[/QUOTE]There was a WHO (?) report on HIV/AIDS in Thailand some years ago which showed a significant correlation between infection rates and cheapness, ie the less the girl charged the more likely she was to be infected.
I could imagine that given Colombia's health care system the same might apply to STDs here, which would make SWs more dangerous than upmarket casa chicas.
[QUOTE=Ricker]What is "just a prostitute"?
These are real people, girls, most of them pretty sweet in Colombia if you get to know them a bit.
Why some guys treat them as sub-human, I'll never understand.[/QUOTE]That was my point Ricker. I think guys like Col Bog view them as sub human. So what if he gives them a disease, no big deal. So what if one day they might want to meet a good man and start a family (good luck with that if you have a terrible STD), just so he gets his rocks off without a condom.
I agree with your observation 100%
Why do people contimue to bust balls about safe sex when they add "0" to useful information. Anyone without info on sex safe should be able to make their own decisions without being given the damning insights of another. Hopefully they will soon make, and some use, a protection that goes over both the mouth and fingers (to stop reports) of those demanding others behaviors fit their ideals. Anyway, Colombian Blog's reports are factual, not always my style, but he should get a merit badge for posting videos/pics when so few others do. I got tired of people taking pics to the beach and busting my balls so I gave up, just look now.
Info, I havew been in cartagena for over 7 years and have never seen more pussy. The prices vary from 60,000 up depending on how nice YOU want to be. there are plenty on University chicas on break that are available. If i hear from Colombian Blog I will pay for his beach pussy for his great reporting, maybe his testing too (just joking).
Anyway, happy mongering.
I hate cutting chicas heads off ALMOST as much as wearing a condom, but, occasionally I think it is necessary, or the receptor does.
[QUOTE=Nino Bravo]That was my point Ricker. I think guys like Col Bog view them as sub human. So what if he gives them a disease, no big deal. So what if one day they might want to meet a good man and start a family (good luck with that if you have a terrible STD), just so he gets his rocks off without a condom.
I agree with your observation 100%[/QUOTE]Hi Nino Bravo.
It's your right to think what you want and to write it.
So far, you have posted 5 times, 3 of them to say how bad I am.
I wonder what makes you so interested in that ?
Are you a serial antagonist ?
I won't stop my bad behavior because you don't like what I do.
If everybody would be shocked by my reports I may stop posting.
But so far, it's not the case, and I receive more friendly reports and Pms than aggressive one.
But let's go back to the warts.
I had some warts on a finger when I was a kid.
There were flat and at their maximum extension it reached maybe 1cm diameter and 1 millimeter high.
When I touched her, these things were like high pimples, maybe 4 or 5 millimeters high.
And she had plenty of them, maybe 15.
For what I know, girls are regularly checked and these things don't grow in one week.
I'm not a doc and don't pretend to be right.
I have checked myself again very closely and have seen nothing so far.
I know I have a dangerous attitude and that I'm putting myself and others at risk.
This is why I try to carefully choose the girls I go with.
I may one day have a bad surprise, or not. Who can say?
Did you know that a car has an accident every 4 years?
Seems to me that I have more chances to die in a car accident than from a sexual disease.
Thanks for your interest.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Col Bog,
An antagonist? Because I speak the truth? PLEASE.
It was YOUR decision to post the pics of this girl and open up this can of worms. You say you "carefully choose" the girls you are with. But until now you knew NOTHING of genital warts. And it's just not the small bumps, it's the LARGE cluster of warts that she has between her vagina and her anus that concerns me. That would certainly raise a red flag to me if I was with such a girl. Look at the picture again. Do a google search on genital warts and you'll see pictures of the same type of cluster that she has. Wake up!
Col Bog, this isn't totally about you. Hopefully the picture you posted is a wake up call to some of the guys here who have been going bareback, or those who might be tempted to do so.
And just to educate you further, you may NEVER show symtoms of genital warts, but still have the virus and can still spread the virus, without an outbreak. Same goes for herpes.
Again, I never stated you were "bad", in fact I said you were probably a good guy, and I'm happy you're so popular here. But I think that pic you posted was a wake up call to a few guys who might admire you a little too much. And yes, maybe you've avoided the bullet so far, and yes a car has an accident every 4 years. Looks like you're probably due.
Take care!
[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi Nino Bravo.
It's your right to think what you want and to write it.
So far, you have posted 5 times, 3 of them to say how bad I am.
I wonder what makes you so interested in that?
Are you a serial antagonist?
I won't stop my bad behavior because you don't like what I do.
If everybody would be shocked by my reports I may stop posting.
But so far, it's not the case, and I receive more friendly reports and Pms than aggressive one.
But let's go back to the warts.
I had some warts on a finger when I was a kid.
There were flat and at their maximum extension it reached maybe 1cm diameter and 1 millimeter high.
When I touched her, these things were like high pimples, maybe 4 or 5 millimeters high.
And she had plenty of them, maybe 15.
For what I know, girls are regularly checked and these things don't grow in one week.
I'm not a doc and don't pretend to be right.
I have checked myself again very closely and have seen nothing so far.
I know I have a dangerous attitude and that I'm putting myself and others at risk. This is why I try to carefully choose the girls I go with.
I may one day have a bad surprise, or not. Who can say?
Did you know that a car has an accident every 4 years?
Seems to me that I have more chances to die in a car accident than from a sexual disease.
Thanks for your interest.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]: [/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php? ]Click Here[/url] for more information. [/blue][/size][/QUOTE]
Those aren't genital warts they're skin tags a very common benign skin condition. Harmless. There are two types of people out there those who pay for play and those who don't. Those who don't mostly justify not paying because they dont want to get a STD. Its hard for them to appreciate your monumental achievments. I say keep up the good work its better to burn-out than to fade away.
thx for reports.
Sorry "doctor", but those aren't skin tags, they are genital warts. Look at the clustering in the area between the vagina and the anus. As far as monumental achievements?? hehe, picking up $20 prosties off the streets of Bogota isn't very monumental...especially one with a bad case of genital warts. I certainly wouldn't "pay" for such damaged goods, but I'm sure you would Tom.
[QUOTE=Tom Power]Those aren't genital warts they're skin tags a very common benign skin condition. Harmless. There are two types of people out there those who pay for play and those who don't. Those who don't mostly justify not paying because they dont want to get a STD. Its hard for them to appreciate your monumental achievments. I say keep up the good work its better to burn-out than to fade away.
thx for reports.[/QUOTE]
i returned from a trip to asia a couple of months ago where i met up with girls i met online and had unprotected sex.
recently (about 2 weeks ago), i started getting a slight itch in my rectum, and very slight itch in my penis (interior, not exterior) and a very slight burning sensation when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url].
i don't have any discharge or anything, but i feel like i am not done every time i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] (may be due to the itch).
i am not sure if the itch in my rectum is related to the itch and burning sensation in my penis.
i took a month's worth of antibiotic for infection (vibramycin/doxycycline) my doctor gave me after i returned from my trip. and i finished taking the pills more than a month ago, before the itching and burning sensation began.
should i worry and go back to my doctor? or can this be just a simple case of urinary track infection?
[QUOTE=Tom Power]Those aren't genital warts they're skin tags a very common benign skin condition. Harmless. There are two types of people out there those who pay for play and those who don't. Those who don't mostly justify not paying because they dont want to get a STD. Its hard for them to appreciate your monumental achievments. I say keep up the good work its better to burn-out than to fade away.
thx for reports.[/QUOTE]Hi Tom.
Thanks for your good words.
I don't know if my achievements is monumental as you kindly wrote.
I just try to share my experiences, good or bad.
This is not the first time that another member of the board tries to convince me to go "safe".
I wish I could do it and come easily with a condom. Unfortunately for me I have great problems with that.
I don't know what those pimples exactly were, but I'll soon be checked and see if I have contracted any disease.
Thanks for your interest.
Mongers-
I too support Col Bog 1's decision to go bareback at his will and think everybody should just stop giving him so much shit for it and instead thank him for his unequaled contributions to this forum. He obviously has heard the alleged risks of bareback sex and accepts those risks at his own peril; he has assessed that as a circumcised male, his HIV contraction risk is about the same as his risk of getting eaten by a shark or being in a plane crash, and as such he carries on seeking BBFS. I am in the same boat as Col Bog 1 in that I regularly go bareback with both non-pros and pros; I understand the risks and accept them, but find that the positives outweigh the negatives. On another note, busting his balls about HPV is ridiculous because everybody knows that somewhere in the ballpark of 80% of sexually active people have the HPV virus and that condoms do not effectively prevent HPV or genital herpes.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
This may be a strange question, but here goes. Seeing all the posts on herpes and genital warts, I was wondering if one option would just be to keep on my briefs (colored ones, not tighty-whitey fruit of the looms!) or boxers during sex. Combined with a condom, wouldn't this greatly the reduce the possibilities of the contact infections? It might seem strange to the girl, but then again it's my money so who cares. I've also seen it in porn, so the idea of clothed sex obviously has has some sex appeal to it. Has anyone done this, or have any opinions?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Col Bog 1]Hi Tom.
Thanks for your good words.
I don't know if my achievements is monumental as you kindly wrote.
I just try to share my experiences, good or bad.
This is not the first time that another member of the board tries to convince me to go "safe".
I wish I could do it and come easily with a condom. Unfortunately for me I have great problems with that.
I don't know what those pimples exactly were, but I'll soon be checked and see if I have contracted any disease.
Thanks for your interest.[/QUOTE]Those are Molluscum, this virus infection cannot be protected by condom at all. As this pimple like infected bottom of the shaft and you bush area. The doctor can make it go away in appearance but not permanently. When your immune system get weaker, it will come out again. Under Google image search, type Molluscum.
i am currently recuperating from a bout of this infirmity. i can state unequivocally that i contracted this ailment while always utilizing a condom, and never seeing anything suspicious on a woman. if you research this little mofo, that's not surprising.
i suspect i contracted this from a trip to the dominican republic in april 2008, but only because of the timing. about 2 months later, a series of pimple-looking or wart-like bumps of varying sizes appeared on my scrote and inner thigh. a local dermatologist scraped off the bumps recently for about $100 total. not a pleasant experience having a doc with a sharp implement handling my frank and beans, but i guess it's the cost of business in the mongering world.
i wish i could offer some sage advice to help you avoid this ailment. the medical literature suggests serial monogamy is the only way. i don't think that is a recommendation that is likely to be widely accepted here.
Always with WG I preferred CBJ but have fantasy to have BBBJ and I have seen lot of reports in this forum about BBBJ with WG. Just to know the opinion of guys who has the experience of BBBJ with WG that how much safe it is for STD/HIV?
[quote=tp horn]i am currently recuperating from a bout of this infirmity. i can state unequivocally that i contracted this ailment while always utilizing a condom, and never seeing anything suspicious on a woman. if you research this little mofo, that's not surprising.
i suspect i contracted this from a trip to the dominican republic in april 2008, but only because of the timing. about 2 months later, a series of pimple-looking or wart-like bumps of varying sizes appeared on my scrote and inner thigh. a local dermatologist scraped off the bumps recently for about $100 total. not a pleasant experience having a doc with a sharp implement handling my frank and beans, but i guess it's the cost of business in the mongering world.
i wish i could offer some sage advice to help you avoid this ailment. the medical literature suggests serial monogamy is the only way. i don't think that is a recommendation that is likely to be widely accepted here.[/quote]nasty! sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience. molluscum contagiosum virus (msv) is actually a pox virus and like most pox viruses it is very contagious. it is usually transmitted by direct contact and as you discoverd the condoms you wore made no difference. you can also get msv from indirect contact, such as contaminated clothing, towells or bed linnen and possibly even from swimming pools. sexual transmission is the most common form of transmission. eventually your immune system will usually fight off the virus, but in some pople the infection can persist. one treatment i have heard used here is to apply tea tree oil to the affected skin, i'm not sure if tea tree oil is readily available where you live as it comes from the melaleuca tree that is native to these parts. also betadine may be helpful as it does have anti-viral properties, but if you are sensitive to iodine don't use it.
wish you a speedy recovery,
silent monger
[QUOTE=Rain Coat]Always with WG I preferred CBJ but have fantasy to have BBBJ and I have seen lot of reports in this forum about BBBJ with WG. Just to know the opinion of guys who has the experience of BBBJ with WG that how much safe it is for STD/HIV?[/QUOTE]Rain Coat,
that's an ironic handle you have given the topic we are discussing, as I have heard it said "You wouldn't wear a raincoat in the shower, so why wear a condom during sex?" Of course I do not wish to give you any fool-hardy counsel, although I have had unprotected sex with sex workers the majority of my mongering experience has been using safer sex.
As far as BBBJ is concerned there is a risk of contracting Herpes Simplex Virus, however HIV is extremely unlikely.
[url]http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24179241-663,00.html[/url]
[url]http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10020311-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5[/url]
The ringtone, which can be downloaded both via SMS or the Web site [url]www.condomcondom.org[/url], has reportedly been downloaded more than 60,000 times in the last 12 days.
The campaign is funded by a grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
The question of ‘safe’ sex comes up regularly on various country threads. I’ve been posting for a while and mongering for years before that in countries around the globe. So I thought I’d add tuppence worth. I am not a medical doctor or laying any claim to specialist expertise other than being a reasonably intelligent and educated individual. Yeah – I google and read too, so please don’t quote reports at me!
Too often when safe sex comes up on country threads, one member will start telling another member what they should or shouldn’t be doing to stay ‘safe’ which is inappropriate, and Jackson rightly IMO kicks the posts off. But people new to mongering may like hearing other people’s thoughts on it. These are my thoughts alone. You may agree or disagree. It’s a topic mongers should talk about perhaps, though what you think personally is more important than whether you agree or not with any of the ideas I use.
Safe sex is about what safe means to the individual. Like driving a car or crossing the road, there is [i]always[/i] an element of risk with sex. Lifelong abstinence is the only foolproof way. So having accepted the risk, how should one minimize it and so on. It’s not just about mongering. In some countries, prostitutes have a lower rate of infection on many STDs than non-prostitutes (as they know how to look after themselves well). In other areas it is the reverse. But yes, I practice safe sex whether the female is a working girl or a regular girlfriend.
So the starting point in balancing any risk is, how do I rate the benefits?
Given that the odds against me (when taking good precautions) are small but not non-existent, a big factor is, how much do I want to have sex / BBBJ / DATY with this particular female? If I like her a lot (physically or emotionally), maybe that will affect my judgement (for better or worse). But I am not risking anything for someone I barely fancy.
Rolled into this ‘risk-benefit assessment’ are things like demographics. Whether her group is statistically more or less likely to be disease carrying. One makes one’s own judgements after looking at the reliability or otherwise of government programs and testing, her own knowledge of safe sex and so on. Also whether I am well in control of the situation. Being able to control the pace in good conditions is different to having sex with a woman with long fingernails who is forcing the pace and in unlit or otherwise undesirable conditions.
CONDOMS
Choice of condom is an important issue IMO. How likely is it to come off? How well does it unroll and feel comfortable (and be free of other irritating, distracting annoyances)? How strong is it? (None of this is rocket science, but guys who don’t use condoms regularly except when mongering may not have explored the possibilities so much. Just ignore me if I’m stating the obvious.)
For all their belly-aching about safe sex, most of the major manufacturers could be promoting [i]effective[/i] condom use much better than they do. For instance, not only are many of the Durex range rather short in length (covering only a part of the penis and giving less security against slipping off) but they often concentrate advertising on non-essentials, such as ribs, strawberry flavouring and so on. Information on different brands of Durex in terms of width, length, thickness etc is often not that readily available. (They also have a reputation for heavy artillery legal action against anyone being even slightly critical.) Testing standards for condoms, while important, are not based on live action but on laboratory experiments with machines. So excuse me if, having used them most of my life, I beg to question the adequacy of some criteria.
I’m not recommending or dissing any particular condom – just that I think it is important to experiment and find one that you feel very happy with. Pasante, for instance, on its website, gives all the measurements (length, width, thickness). If you are not happy with one, you can change to a trimmer one, a large one or an extra large one. I would quote them as an example of a responsible company.
If a condom is too narrow, it is not only uncomfortable, it is more likely to break. If it is too short or too loose, it is more likely to slip off. I generally don’t like those ones that disappear from view once I’m inside a woman. If in doubt, I like to be able to reach down with my thumb and forefinger to check it’s still there.
A good fitting condom generally increases sensitivity, but latex vs non-latex also makes a difference. Non-latex (polyurethane) can be made much stronger than latex, but it doesn’t stretch so much (Durex make an excellent one called Avanti, long and slightly wider – but it tends not to unroll well past the 4/5ths mark.)
While a woman normally knows (or checks) whether she is wet enough, I like to double-check. Dry humping causes breakages. If there’s no other option, I’ll suggest (or offer) some gel. The most adaptable ones for mongering are small sachets or twist-top single-use packs. A tiny one takes up no room in the pocket. On the other hand, some women use too much lube to the point where it is harder to tell what-the-f*ck is happening down there. A wipe with tissues (or similar) is called for in that case.
TRIM/SHAVE
Not everyone’s choice, but I like to trim or remove my pubic hair. Lots of reasons. It is harder for little crabbies to find a snuggling place for one. But it maximises contact and is generally more attractive for a woman to go down on, just as (forest lovers aside) it’s nicer to DATY without having to pick the hair out of one's teeth. Off the p4p scene, it is very common among swingers and considered good hygiene and etiquette.
DATY & BBBJ
Although low risk, DATY also has the advantage (at least in reasonable lighting) to check out the area before thrusting a pork chop into it. And there’s lots of dining levels to choose from. From just sticking your nose in to check the aroma, to some delicate clit-kissing without using the open mouth, to full on licking and sucking up that gush. Usual stuff applies – leaving a couple of hours for tiny cuts on the face from shaving to heal seems rudimentary, as does being careful to avoid using fingers with recent cuts, or DATY with sore throats or mouth ulcers.
Happy mongering
[QUOTE=Silent Monger]Rain Coat,
that's an ironic handle you have given the topic we are discussing, as I have heard it said "You wouldn't wear a raincoat in the shower, so why wear a condom during sex?" Of course I do not wish to give you any fool-hardy counsel, although I have had unprotected sex with sex workers the majority of my mongering experience has been using safer sex.
As far as BBBJ is concerned there is a risk of contracting Herpes Simplex Virus, however HIV is extremely unlikely.[/QUOTE]The administrator suggested I repost the stuff below which
Was in another forum here:
I am someone who takes essentially no risks. I value my life way too much.
Let's talk about AIDS first.
After a lot of research, the consensus seems to be that getting your dick sucked has essentially zero risk. Of course, if the girl doesn't have AIDS, you can't get it, so all risk discussion assumes she does (otherwise there is no point in the discussion). There are two main reasons for this. First, unless you have open sores (in which case you can get AIDS from holding hands), there is no way the virus can be transmitted. It doesn't go through skin or intact mucus membranes. Second, even if you did, a) the viral load in saliva is way to small to cause infection (you would have to be exposed to several liters within a short time) and b) there is an enzyme in saliva which de-activates the Hi virus. So, to get AIDS by being sucked, the girl would have to be bleeding out of her mouth and you would have to have open sores.
The risk to the girl is somewhat higher, but still quite low compared to vaginal or anal sex (which have a much higher risk, very high for the receptive partner, especially anally). First, the virus is in sperm. Second, not all of it can be de-activated by the girl's saliva. Third, the girl might have small cuts in the mouth (perhaps from having eaten potato chips) which don't bleed (and hence wouldn't be a risk to you) but are open enough to become infected by infected sperm. Theoretically, if she swallows and has an ulcer, that's also a possibility. Still, oral sex, even for the person doing the sucking, is relatively low risk.
As for licking a girl---it is almost impossible to get AIDS from a girl, except via vaginal or anal sex (unprotected---with a condom, no worries).
Officially, no government agency will come out and say this, both because it is understandably better to be on the safe side, and also because there would be some criticism from conservative groups if the government were "encouraging oral sex". However, my summary above seems to be the case according to the scientific literature.
As for other diseases, they are in principle easier to get, but here (like with AIDS as well), in practice there is no risk if the girl doesn't have them. Prostitutes in Germany have to have regular check-ups, by the way. However, other STDs can be treated quite easily with penicillin etc, especially if noticed early. So, the biggest danger might be explaining it to your wife! (AIDS is actually quite hard to get; what is bad about it is that it is difficult to treat.)
Despite early warnings, AIDS is STILL essentially confined to the traditional high-risk groups. (AIDS can be spread sexually and prostitutes have a lot of sex, but probably most prostitutes with AIDS are drug users who got it from needles. So, if the girl doesn't use drugs, she's probably not any more likely than you to get AIDS.)
I'm sure this might be a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway because I'm going crazy. I'm in Korea and I will have to take a an HIV test soon. I have had sex with four sex workers in my life, two in Canada in June and two in Korea this month. I used a condom each time. It didn't break to my knowledge (unless there can be small tears you don't notice), and once it felt like it was slipping off, but it didn't.
My question is: what are my chances of testing positive for HIV? Have you ever heard of someone getting HIV without having unprotected sex? The test is getting closer and I am absolutely terrified of having to leave the country and explaining to people back home why I'm back, never mind life with HIV. I had trouble focusing at work today. Please help.
Darnay - don't panic. As the insertive partner and using condoms correctly (I assume, as they didn't break or slip), your chances of contracting HIV during those four encounters is basically zilch, zip, nada. ZERO. That's assuming the girls in question actually HAD the virus and there's every likelihood that they didn't, especially if they're enforcing condom use in their work.
But at the risk of stressing you out further, I wanted to add a little something about 'risk'. You (and you're certainly not the first person to do this!) only mentioned your sex work experiences when you talked about HIV risk ...but I assume those four women aren't the ONLY women you've ever had sex with? How many times have you had unprotected sex with NON-sex workers?
Being a sex worker is not, in itself, a risk factor for HIV. It's not about how often you have sex or how many different partners you've had, nor is HIV transmitted via cash or credit cards. It's about HOW you have sex. A sex worker who [i]always[/i] uses condoms is a much lower HIV risk than a regular woman who [i]never[/i] uses them. I know a gay man who worked as a sex worker for many years and never caught a thing, then got drunk and silly at a club and caught HIV from an unprotected one-night stand. I also know of a (non-sex working) woman who got HIV from her husband, who was using IV drugs behind her back and sharing needles with his mates.
It's [i]safe sex practices[/i] that dictate your risk of HIV, not the 'type' of person you have sex with or the particular sex acts you engage in. And again, as the insertive partner YOUR risks are even lower - if you're a woman or the receptive partner in a gay relationship, the risk increases.
Please don't worry too much about your test. I'm sure you'll be fine. Best of luck. x
Christopherd - that was fantastic, especially the bit about condoms. You'd be amazed how many men don't even realise that condoms come in different shapes and sizes! Brilliant post. Recommended reading for everyone. Thanks x
[QUOTE=Darnay]I'm sure this might be a dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway because I'm going crazy. I'm in Korea and I will have to take a an HIV test soon. I have had sex with four sex workers in my life, two in Canada in June and two in Korea this month. I used a condom each time. It didn't break to my knowledge (unless there can be small tears you don't notice), and once it felt like it was slipping off, but it didn't.
My question is: what are my chances of testing positive for HIV? Have you ever heard of someone getting HIV without having unprotected sex? The test is getting closer and I am absolutely terrified of having to leave the country and explaining to people back home why I'm back, never mind life with HIV. I had trouble focusing at work today. Please help.[/QUOTE]
I'm in South Korea right now as well and had to take the exact same HIV test so that I could get my Alien Registration Card.
As far as the test itself goes, the way it was explained to me was that if the results come back positive, they will give you another chance and test you again, since there is a possibility of getting a false-positive result. I believe the same goes for the drug test as well.
You should be fine; in fact I don't understand why you would be concerned about it at all, unless there is something you are not telling us in your post. If it makes you feel any better, I've had sex with over 100 pros and I passed the HIV test with flying colors!
BTW, if you have some time, feel free to post some trip reports in the South Korea forum.
Hello seniors,
Can anyone tell me if poluyurethane condoms are safer than latex condoms? I have a rubber allergy but I am not sure about those condoms not made of latex.
Some friends have recommended polyisoprene condoms but they are hard to find.
Many thanks in advance.
Hi, I got laid in Artemis FKK in Berlin last Sunday. Had half an hour sessions with 3 different women. I had penetration with a condom with each of them +
Girl 1) some DFK, just a little licking from me
Girl 2) just 10 sec of covered BJ
Girl 3) BBBJ without CIM, and some licking action from me.
After about 22 hrs of this action, i started feeling the slightest of burning sensations at the tip of the penis. And after another 24 hours, a kind of niggling feeling in symmetric regions on both sides of the pubic region - roughly near the joints. The feeling is very similar to what I experienced when I'd caught some urinary infection last year.
For certain reasons, I will find it very tough to consult a doctor for the next four days.
a) I am concerned I could have caught something nasty. But I hope that's not the case because I hardly did anything particularly unsafe
b) Even if it is something not serious, I cannot afford to develop a full blown infection or fever this weekend (am visiting family).
Please advise on both a) and b) and particulary if there are any antibiotics of other medicines I can take to get rid of my symptoms.
I will be most grateful. Thanks.
Hi troops,
My mongering experiences in Guatemala have resulted in a case of crabs, a. K. A. Pubic lice. Just thought I'd share my experience in case you get them too, which isn't very unlikely. Of course condoms don't do too much to protect you against them.
Anyway, several days after a session that wasn't worth the money I started feeling this itch at the base of my cock. I could see what looked like a tiny scab but couldn't figure out what was going on. So I took a flashlight to it and saw there were some little critters down there, I. E. Pubic lice! Yuck! I grabbed one of them and it was still living and squirming around. It was small, maybe a few millimeters long. I probed around and only found a few living critters but TONS of eggs spread out all over my pubic region. They were really, really tiny and sticky and so hard to dislodge from my tangle of pubic hair even after cutting it really close to my skin. I probably spent 1. 5 hours digging out as many eggs as I could find but didn't get them all.
I read up on the Center for Disease Control website and found out that pubic lice are just a hassle and not dangerous unless their digging into your skin causes an infection. They also have a treatment.
The treatment is called permetrine. It is a creme that you just spread all over your pubic area for 10 minutes. It is pleasant smelling and seems to have worked.
Here in Guatemala the name of the compound is permetrina, and the product I found is Herklin 2000 Permetrina Emulsion. By the way, the word for lice in Spanish is piojos.
So, should you ever be so unlucky with pubic lice, you should be able to get yourself beyond it quickly and get the general back out in the field in full command.
Good luck!
If you are in a remote location where permetrine is not easily available, and this is a highly likely situation where the little critters will just decide to jump ship from your temporary GF to you, then -would you believe- spraying the affected area (even your whole body) with good 'ol Mortine insect spray will knock 'em dead!
Just remember to follow up with a second "application" in a week or so because that's when the layed eggs will begin to hatch (7-10 day's).
Also a good idea to wash all your possibly infested clothing in (very) hot water.
Don't sound too good, but trust me (from experiance), it's very effective.
P.
Hi guys,
I just started mongering, but I cannot understand for the life of me why a self-test kit for all major STDs (HIV, Herpes, Crabs, Hepatitis B+C, Gonorrhea and Syphilis) has not been created? (Or if it has, what is it. I can't find one anywhere! )
It would essentially eliminate the requirement of wearing protection completely. Imagine a session where you meet a provider, she takes your insta test, and you take her insta test, both pass, and voila! All set to go. Or am I missing something.
As someone who cannot wear condoms and stay hard during sex (apparently a more common problem than I originally thought), this would greatly increase pleasure and reduce anxiety all around I think.
Not sure where to post this as it does not directly relate to safe sex but here is a painful and disturbing story about a woman who went too far because she though her man went too far.
____________________________________________________________
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/06/world/main4701529.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories[/url]
(CBS/ AP) An Australian woman accused of setting her husband's genitals on fire because she thought he was having an affair has been charged with murder. Prosecutors said 44-year-old Rajini Narayan confessed to neighbors that she set her husband on fire on Dec. 8, 2008, after she saw him hug another woman.
She was initially charged with endangering life and arson but the charges were upgraded to murder after her 47-year-old husband, Satish Narayan, died from his injuries last week. Prosecutor Lucy Boord said Narayan told neighbors she was a "jealous wife" but she hadn't meant to kill him when she doused the sleeping man's genitals with an alcohol-based solvent and then set him on fire.
Boord quoted Narayan allegedly saying: "I just wanted to burn his penis so it belongs to me and no one else. ... I didn't mean this to happen." The husband jumped out of bed and knocked over the bottle of alcohol, causing the fire to spread and resulting in 1 million Australian dollars ($711,000) of damage to their town house and an adjacent property, the Adelaide Advertiser reported.
"She poses a substantial risk to others given her flagrant offending," Boord told the newspaper. Boord quoted Narayan allegedly saying: 'I just wanted to burn his penis so it belongs to me and no one else. ... I didn't mean this to happen.' "Witnesses also heard the accused make references to using a police officer's gun on herself, and references to whether she should be alive at all," she added. Narayan was remanded in custody for psychological assessment and will reappear in court Friday. She has been charged with murder, arson and three counts of endangering life, as the couple's three children were at home during the incident.
Having just caught another dose of herpes I am thinking on how to avoid this in the future. Sorry no sex, is not an option.
The information on herpes says its caught by unprotected sex with an infected partner.
This explains why I have caught herpes a few times with the outbreak on the bottom of the testicles, and its especially painful when its near the main testicle nerve.
I used a condom, but infected pussy juice can still contact the testicle even when wearing a condom.
I went to my doctor and I asked how come outbreaks occur in different places on the penis. He said that is because they are new infections.
This leads me to conclude that herpes can be transmitted by bare back blow jobs since at those time I always had protected sex.
Does anyone else have a view or experience on this?
[QUOTE=Johnny Jets]Having just caught another dose of herpes I am thinking on how to avoid this in the future. Sorry no sex, is not an option.
The information on herpes says its caught by unprotected sex with an infected partner. [/QUOTE]Herpes HSV1/HSV2 is caused by the HPV virus. contact. you can have herpes anywhere skin contacts. including if you touch a herpes sore on a pussy then rub your eye. you can get herpes on your eye.
It's permanent. if you've caught it and get an outbreak (small or large) then it's yours forever. Most people don't bother to pay for valtrex or other treatments to reduce outbreaks. :(
Preventative option is unfortunate.
1 - check **** thoroughly beforehand.
2 - never kiss as sores can be on inside mouth as well
3 - carry Purell hand sanitizer as it has Ethyl Alcohol 62%.
4 - use it on yourself and the chick during the shower or before sex to kill viruses on her skin in case she is at beginning or end of outbreak and you just cant see it.
5 - Use it on yourself immediately afterwards.
6 - emergency carry 90+% ethyl Alchohol in your bag. If shit happens then use this on your privates but don't leave on for more than 2 minutes and immediately wash off with ALOT of water in shower (unless you don't mind getting skin irritation down there) 99% ethyl alchohol is proven to kill 100% of viruses in less than 2 seconds.
But if you've already caught it then you're screwed.
I had herpes for the past 30 years. Cought it in Thailand while still a teenager. My experience was this. Outbreak was about 4 or 5 times a year mostly around the penis area and sometimes at the testicle. Very uncomfortable, painful and messy.
Ever since my circumcision, the herpes outbreak NEVER occur near the above mentioned area but occured at the back slightly above the buttock! The point is it is much more managable in term of comfort considering the back area is flat as compared to the private part that can be quite messy. The only drawback is that you cant' lie on your back during the outbreak period. So I guess the herpes virus will know what to do when you get rid of the extra skin near your penis!! I recommend that you go for a circumcision in a private clinic that cost about RM250. Anyone with the same experience, please share with other members.
Thank you.
Here it is : [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7843138.stm[/url]
Summary : US scientists say they have developed a cream which could for the first time prevent someone from becoming infected with genital herpes.
Hope they test it and release it quickly.
[1] Antibiotic resistance, _N. gonorrhoeae_, fluoroquinolones, Canada [2] Comments on antibiotic resistance, _N. gonorrhoeae_, fluoroquinolones, Canada
******
[1]
Date: Tue 3 Feb 2009
Source: Globe and Mail [edited]
<http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090203.wlsex03/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home>
A strain of antibiotic-resistant [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] is growing in Ontario at an alarming pace, raising fears that the era of practicing safe sex is on its way out, according to a new Canadian study.
Rates of [infections due to _Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] resistant to antibiotics known as [fluoroquinolones] jumped from 4 per cent of cases in 2002 to 28 per cent in 2006, a study published today [3 Feb 2009] in the Canadian Medical Association Journal reveals [see <http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/180/3/287>].
"The magnitude of the rate of resistance to [fluoroquinolones] is unusually high by any threshold reported in North America," the study said. The findings add further woe to already-surging gonorrhea infection rates. From 1997 to 2007, infection rates more than doubled in Canada, from 15 to 35 cases for every 100 000 people. Growing evidence suggests that gonorrhea, a highly adaptable infection, is becoming increasingly resistant to a variety of antibiotics, which has major implications for future control and treatment of the disease. The rising incidence of [fluoroquinolone]-resistant [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] confirms those worries.
Gonorrhea is a sexually transmitted bacterial infection that, if untreated, can lead to pelvic pain and scarring of the fallopian tubes in women and of the urethra in men, contributing to infertility in both genders.
The increased infection rates raise concerns that people are abandoning safe-sex practices, which could have major and wide-reaching effects on the population's health, according to Susan Richardson, head of microbiology at the Hospital for Sick Children [in Toronto] and senior author of the study. "We are concerned that people are not taking the same precautions for the prevention of sexually transmitted infections that they could," said Dr.
Richardson, who is also a consultant to the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion.
[Fluoroquinolone]-resistant gonorrhea was most commonly found in people over 30 [years of age], the study found. While other studies have shown [fluoroquinolone]-resistant [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] to be most prevalent among men who have sex with men, this study found rates were split evenly with heterosexual men.
The resistant strain of [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] could have spread through Ontario's population from people who have visited Asian countries where the disease is widespread, the study said. Ontario may have higher rates of [fluoroquinolone-resistant] [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] because it is the largest province and a major transit hub. Other highly populated travel centres, such as Sydney, Australia, also have high rates of the antibiotic-resistant infection, according to an editorial published along with the study.
While the spike in [fluoroquinolone]-resistant cases appears to be greatest in Ontario, experts predict the trend will spread. "The likelihood is that this will increase [in Ontario] and increase [in] every province too," Dr. Richardson said.
There are other treatments to battle gonorrhea, including a group of antibiotics known as cephalosporins that some countries, including Canada [and the USA], now recommend instead of [fluoroquinolones].
Some people, however, may be allergic to those medications, making their gonorrhea difficult to treat and raising their risk of health consequences, such as infertility.
But an even bigger issue is that some reports show that strains of [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] resistant to cephalosporins are emerging in Pacific Rim countries, according to the editorial written by John Tapsall, who is with the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Sexually Transmitted Diseases at the Prince of Wales Hospital in Sydney [see <http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/180/3/268>].
One of the biggest disadvantages of antibiotics is that [microorganisms] can mutate and become resistant to the medication, according to Dr. Tapsall. Public health officials must take action to bring infection rates down to prevent more resistant strains from emerging and further limiting gonorrhea treatment options, he wrote.
"A recognition of these parallels [between resistance to fluoroquinolones and cephalosporins] has led to renewed calls for better control of gonococcal disease, including enhanced global surveillance of resistance and improved treatment."
Fluoroquinolones are not the normally used current treatment for gonorrhea. This resistance may have been newsworthy a decade ago, but not now. Treatments currently useful include azithromycin and Ceftriaxone.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Fluoroquinolones are not the normally used current treatment for gonorrhea. This resistance may have been newsworthy a decade ago, but not now. Treatments currently useful include azithromycin and Ceftriaxone.[/QUOTE]Well you should know, O'p, as a regular consumer. ;)
[QUOTE=Johnny Jets]Having just caught another dose of herpes I am thinking on how to avoid this in the future. Sorry no sex, is not an option.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.healthkingenterprise.com/v2/articles/BioDefender.asp[/url]
Monolaurin is a naturally occurring organic compound found in mother’s milk and in coconut oil. This monoglyceride destroys lipid coated (fat coated) viruses and bacteria. This includes Herpes, Chlamydia, helicobacter pyloris, Epstein Barr, and influenza, just to name a few.
[QUOTE=Safariman]A strain of antibiotic-resistant [_Neisseria gonorrhoeae_] is growing in Ontario at an alarming pace[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.healthkingenterprise.com/v2/articles/BioDefender.asp[/url]
Clinical trials using monoglycerides such as monolaurin for destroying bacteria, viruses and fungi are on the rise. The journal Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, Nov 1999, vol. 43, no. 11 clearly states that the susceptibility of Neisseria gonorrhoeae (gonorrhea) to several medium-chain fatty acids and their 1-monoglycerides causes the fastest and most effective killing of all strains of N. gonorrhoeae.
Conventional HIV tests may not detect the virus up to 6 months. In other words if you have had unprotected sex you cannot say upto 6 months whether you are infected or not. (opinion is varied on whether it should be 3 months or 6 months). About an year back a newer form of HIV test was discovered. I am not sure how economical or fool-proof this is but this new test apparently gives the results right away. I am not sure if this test is still in R&D state or has reached the market.
[QUOTE=Daschol]It would essentially eliminate the requirement of wearing protection completely. Imagine a session where you meet a provider, she takes your insta test, and you take her insta test, both pass, and voila! All set to go. Or am I missing something.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ronit]Conventional HIV tests may not detect the virus up to 6 months. In other words if you have had unprotected sex you cannot say upto 6 months whether you are infected or not. (opinion is varied on whether it should be 3 months or 6 months). About an year back a newer form of HIV test was discovered. I am not sure how economical or fool-proof this is but this new test apparently gives the results right away. I am not sure if this test is still in R&D state or has reached the market.[/QUOTE]If you want to know.......You could have a good idea that you'd had an HIV infection the day after you had it. HIV initial infections present as flu-like symptoms. So, if you had risky sex and came down with something like the flu the day afterward, that would be a reason to be worried.
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]If you want to know.......You could have a good idea that you'd had an HIV infection the day after you had it. HIV initial infections present as flu-like symptoms. So, if you had risky sex and came down with something like the flu the day afterward, that would be a reason to be worried.[/QUOTE]
Conversion flu can manifest itself at any time after infection
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_disease_progression_rates[/url]
If you subscribe to "CSI" (Vegas) then it is strictly 6 weeks after direct infection (if you have the correct subset variant). Waiting for conversion flu onset is akin to Horses and Stable doors. Too late once they have bolted.
There, but for the grace of God go I !!!
prev: [url=]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868402&postcount=218[/url]
in fact, once at home, the day after i discovered of having acquired a disease!
i had a small white or semitransparent discharge from my penis, just a drop in the morning, or i could extract the secretion during the day by squeezing my penis like a toothpaste tube! i also had a burning sensation when [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url].
it might have been clamydia or gonorrea, but also a more bland unspecific urethritis. the doctor said there are a number of pathogen organisms which can give you diseases with similar symptoms. they may act in concomitance and cause a disease, particularly if you are in a stress condition. (well, isn’t a 6 days sex tour a stress condition?). however he said not to worry. getting something bad by oral sex is rare. this time i have been a little bit unfortunate, but a remedy is at hand. to avoid complications and stay on the safe side i had to start an appropriate antibiotic treatment asap, then i will have to undergo a test to confirm that any menace has cleared.
the therapy was apparently successful. the symptoms vanished just after 2 days. i still have to make the confirmation test.
it’s curious that i got this shit during this tour. just this time that i had less girls that other times, that i avoided more promiscuous situation, like those found in pt’s. this time i contained myself also to reduce risk, it was less likely to get something this time, but it happened this time.
probability is probability, what has 1 chance out of 2 to happen, may not occur for 10 times or more, instead even something which has one chance over a million may happen sometimes. this time happened to me. so this should explain the terms of the question to you too.
i had only oral sex unprotected, and this is considered low risk. but “low risk” doesn’t mean “no risk”!
we should be aware that we are running risks in having a promiscuous sexual activity, and that practicing unprotected oral sex we might contract something, sometime.
to reduce the risk almost to zero we should not accept a bbbj, requesting always a covered bj. we should not practice daty, or use a dental dam if we do. in principle even a dfk could be contagious for something!
this would affect sexual activity much more than the simple use of a condom for penetration. in practice any contact involving mucosas should be avoided. think of moving around with of piece of rubber and licking it rather than the real thing. terrible and ridiculous! but there is someone who do that... it’s feasible :(
make your risk/reward consideration. as for me i don’t think i will renounce to dfk and spontaneous oral sex. i intend to enjoy this pleasures of life for the years that are left to me. i made too many renounces in the past.
certainly i will pay attention. i will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and wash accurately my dick after every session (particularly if i didn’t come). wash my throat as well with a good collutorium (actually i use one which combines chlorhexidine and cetylpyridinium chloride). i will give preference to girls attentive to hygiene too. all things that i do already, but i think this is the most that i can do.
i warned the girls with whom i had an intercourse and that gave me their email address. this is extremely useful in this circumstances, in behalf of the girls and in behalf of all of us.
i think i will take the habit of asking the email address to all the girls that i will get to know intimately in the future.
guys,
i've just been diagnosed with an oropharyngeal cancer (tonsillar cancer) which was very likely caused by the human papilloma virus (hpv). this is the same virus that also causes both anal cancer and cervical cancer. its also the virus for which girls should get the guardasil vaccine. since it can be transmitted by sexual activity, i thought i'd pass along some info.
hpv is a very common virus. there are over 120 varieties of hpv, but only a handful cause cancer. one variety in particular (hpv16) is by far the most risky. hpv is basically the only known cause of cervical cancer. recently, medical science has learned that over 25% of the cases of oropharyngeal cancer are caused by hpv (the rest are due to tobacco & alcohol). this is not a very detectable form of cancer, it doesn't have many outward symptoms, so its usually not found until it is quite advanced (stage 3 or 4); in my case, its stage 4.
hpv thrives in the squamous cells of mucosal membranes (cervix, anus, and oral cavity... particularly the tonsils). i'm a guy who loves daty and its my guess that i picked up hpv16 this way. (i will be tested to see if i am hpv16 positive.)
the good news is that my cancer is very treatable. well over 90% of the cases are "cured" (live past 5 years with no recurrence). the bad news is that the treatment is horrible: 7+ weeks of combined chemotherapy and radiation therapy... i'll need feeding tubes and months to recover. plus there will be some permanent side effects because the radiation will damage my salivary glands and my sense of taste/smell. i've already had a tonsillectomy and may need additional surgery to remove lymph nodes from my neck.
research is making advances but they're not here yet. they are working on a simple "swish & spit" screening test to detect oral hpv infection. they are working on therapeutic hpv vaccines to treat existing hpv-induced oropharyngeal cancers (to be used in addition to, not instead of, chemo and radiation therapy). they are considering recommending that all 12 year old boys (as well as all 12 year old girls) receive the prophylactic hpv vaccine guardasil.
i'd be glad to try and answer any questions.
just to follow up. they tested my biopsy and it came back hpv negative. this surprised everyone (especially me). since there is some possibility that this is a false-negative, they're going to try another test (for a different hpv marker).
if i really am hpv negative, this is not good news. those with oropharyngeal cancer that are hpv negative have a statistically poorer survival prognosis. also, my doctors will be more inclined to recommend neck dissection/surgery (after chemo and radiation therapy) to remove my diseased lymph nodes.
[quote=yankee 617]guys,
i've just been diagnosed with an oropharyngeal cancer (tonsillar cancer) which was very likely caused by the human papilloma virus (hpv). this is the same virus that also causes both anal cancer and cervical cancer. its also the virus for which girls should get the guardasil vaccine. since it can be transmitted by sexual activity, i thought i'd pass along some info.
hpv is a very common virus. there are over 120 varieties of hpv, but only a handful cause cancer. one variety in particular (hpv16) is by far the most risky. hpv is basically the only known cause of cervical cancer. recently, medical science has learned that over 25% of the cases of oropharyngeal cancer are caused by hpv (the rest are due to tobacco & alcohol). this is not a very detectable form of cancer, it doesn't have many outward symptoms, so its usually not found until it is quite advanced (stage 3 or 4); in my case, its stage 4.
hpv thrives in the squamous cells of mucosal membranes (cervix, anus, and oral cavity... particularly the tonsils). i'm a guy who loves daty and its my guess that i picked up hpv16 this way. (i will be tested to see if i am hpv16 positive.)
the good news is that my cancer is very treatable. well over 90% of the cases are "cured" (live past 5 years with no recurrence). the bad news is that the treatment is horrible: 7+ weeks of combined chemotherapy and radiation therapy... i'll need feeding tubes and months to recover. plus there will be some permanent side effects because the radiation will damage my salivary glands and my sense of taste/smell. i've already had a tonsillectomy and may need additional surgery to remove lymph nodes from my neck.
research is making advances but they're not here yet. they are working on a simple "swish & spit" screening test to detect oral hpv infection. they are working on therapeutic hpv vaccines to treat existing hpv-induced oropharyngeal cancers (to be used in addition to, not instead of, chemo and radiation therapy). they are considering recommending that all 12 year old boys (as well as all 12 year old girls) receive the prophylactic hpv vaccine guardasil.
i'd be glad to try and answer any questions.[/quote]
Has anyone heard of an OTC agent that can be used to reduce chances of herpes? I remember someone telling me (on ISG) an agent that is not sold in USA, but available other countries. It's something that can be gargled & used on skin. Can anyone elaborate on protecting against Herpes? A lot of things can be rid of, but some things are forever.
As a further follow-up. The second test (for a different HPV marker) came back positive... which indicates the first test was indeed a false negative.
This is good news as it means I'm in the group with a better survival prognosis. Also, it becomes less likely that my doctors will recommend neck dissection/surgery.
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Just to follow up. They tested my biopsy and it came back HPV negative. This surprised everyone (especially me). Since there is some possibility that this is a false-negative, they're going to try another test (for a different HPV marker).
If I really am HPV negative, this is not good news. Those with oropharyngeal cancer that are HPV negative have a statistically poorer survival prognosis. Also, my doctors will be more inclined to recommend neck dissection/surgery (after chemo and radiation therapy) to remove my diseased lymph nodes.[/QUOTE]
What were the symptoms? How did you suspect youi had something?
Eating pussy is probably a good way to get a dose of swine flu. Make sure you fuck with a mask on. It will help protect you while adding a kinky flair to your copulatory activities.
[QUOTE=Christopherd]What were the symptoms? How did you suspect youi had something?[/QUOTE]
I developed a lump in the side of my neck without any other typical signs of infection. The NP who saw me said this is an "unusual presentation" and sent me for a CT scan, which confirmed that the lump was a bunch of swollen lymph nodes. Then they told me a needle biopsy should be done, and the pathologist determined that I had Squamous Cell Carcinoma (SCC). This was the first point at which anyone used the word "cancer"... but I think the NP suspected this from the beginning. It wasn't until a pathologist reviewed the tissue samples taken at my tonsillectomy that we knew, for certain, that the primary site had been the (left) tonsil.
While the original lump was merely a slight annoyance (albeit sizeable), it wasn't until a few weeks later that it started causing me pain. Now that I've started treatment, the lump is MUCH smaller and is no longer the source of pain.
I'm planning a trip to Uganda. I saw mentioned somewhere that mongers sometimes use two condoms. Is this standard practice when mongering in Africa? I've been to Poland, where I only used one, but Africa ain't Poland: shit loads of AIDS about for starters.
Obviously I'd prefer to use one if people think it's OK, because the experience is reduced even using one condom, so I am guessing the effect is even more pronounced if you wear two. Can I get away with one if I use a extra-safe, decent-quality, Western-brand condom?
I know mongering isn't risk-free, but I'd still like to follow 'best practice'. Thanks in advance for your kind advice.
Forget that, I just happened upon an article which says that two condoms are actually LESS safe because of the increased risk of breakage. One decent condom it shall be!
Hi,
I have something to say about herpes and molloscum.
First, I have had cold sores on my lips every now and then when stressed and when exposed to intense sun/cold, and propolis gel/tincture always killes it off right away. As soon as I feel the tingling sensation on my lip, I apply propolis (a bee product used to sterilize the bee hive) 4-5 times a day. The herpes virus will be killed in 1 day leaving the crust to go away in a couple of days.
I do not have genital herpes, but I am sure that propolis would be equally effective for that. Propolis is like napalm to the herpes virus.
Then we have th annying molloscum warts/pimples.
I got them around christmas, and I am wondering if I got them from my work with children (physical education teacher), because they can be very contagious. I might also have gotten them from a working girl I saw in desember. But I got the pimples shortly after seeng her, and I read online that it takes 2 weeks for them to manifest, so I am opting for the first theory.
In any event, I went to the doctor to have them frozen off. I did this 2-3 times, but they did not go away. I had them from my navel down to the shaft of my penis and then some on my penis and around anus. So then I tried using propolis, but apparently this virus is not affected by propolis. So I searched online and found a profuct called Zymaderm. It is a tincture made up of echinea, iodine and some other things. What I did was remove the head of the molloscum pimple with a pflier, then disinfect it with propolis and then I added the Zymaderm. I did this morning and night for some days. And it completely killed off the molloscum.
I very much recommend it, because molloscum is very contagious, albeit not dangerous at all, but is not very hygienic.
Just ask if you have questions.
I very much want to go to Artemis when I visit Berlin in late June, but I am starting to wonder if it is worth it. Who knows what other STDs one can get. Will have to be careful in any event.
So hope someone can benefit from this information.
Best wishes
[QUOTE=Iglia]The feeling is very similar to what I experienced when I'd caught some urinary infection last year.[/QUOTE]Hye, may I know what is the symptoms of urinary infection and how to differentiate with STD's infection.
What the causes of urinary infection in male and it is possible can get this kind of infection from bareback blowjob?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Hollow Man]Herpes HSV1/HSV2 is caused by the HPV virus. Contact. You can have herpes anywhere skin contacts. Including if you touch a herpes sore on a pussy then rub your eye. You can get herpes on your eye.
It's permanent. If you've caught it and get an outbreak (small or large) then it's yours forever. Most people don't bother to pay for valtrex or other treatments to reduce outbreaks.
But if you've already caught it then you're screwed.[/QUOTE]I have had herpes on my lips a few times during the year for many years now. It usually always emerges when I am under stress or if I get a sun burn or another kind of stress to the lips.
I do not have genital herpes.
Whenever I get an outbreak I always apply propolis tincture (preferrably in alcohol solution) or propolis ointment. I find this kills the herpes in one day, leaving healing to occur in 1-2 more days.
Propolis is a kind of antobiotic resin made by bees to kill any bacteria or other unwanted microorganisms in the bee cube.
Anyways, I am pretty sure it has the same effect on genital herpes, and will kill it in a short time.
Best wishes
[url]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_May/ai_85131560/[/url]
This study found thta propolis might be the best alternative when fighting herpes.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]I have used it here for years( Australia) in various jobs, but didn't realise its effectiveness in helping stop you from catching a dose of anything fron chlamydia to herpes, and it has even been suggested for an emergency protocoll for possible HIV infection. Having said that, putting it down your japs eye is something for the extreme masochists. It may help, it will burn like fuck, and it may make matters worse by damaging mucus membranes, so if for example a condom breaks, or you forget to use one, or are too pissed to remember, or you are just too horny, it may be a help to douse the old fellah liberally with it, and have a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ASAP.
Pete[/QUOTE]Hi,
Good post. However, I have used chlorhexidine on cuts and burns since I was a kid, and it does not sting or burn. It is not like iodine. So I would not think that it hurts too much to put in inside your urinary tract.
Or I may be totally wrong.
Best wishes
I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the risk of kissing a girl at Artemis who does not do bbbjs. As I already have the kind of herpes I get on my lips, this is not an issue.
Thank you
I got a 2nd opinion pathology report on my biopsy samples from
another hospital. They used a different test, specific to the HPV-16
variant of HPV, and found that I am indeed HPV positive.
A lot more info on HPV and oral cancer can be found here
[url]http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/hpv/[/url]
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]As a further follow-up. The second test (for a different HPV marker) came back positive... which indicates the first test was indeed a false negative.
This is good news as it means I'm in the group with a better survival prognosis. Also, it becomes less likely that my doctors will recommend neck dissection/surgery.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]I got a 2nd opinion pathology report on my biopsy samples from
another hospital. They used a different test, specific to the HPV-16
variant of HPV, and found that I am indeed HPV positive.
A lot more info on HPV and oral cancer can be found here
[url]http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/hpv/[/url][/QUOTE]
Guys who like to eat their hooker's pussy raw without a dental dam should read this and take note.
[quote=sergeant mendoza]hye, may i know what is the symptoms of urinary infection and how to differentiate with std's infection.
what the causes of urinary infection in male and it is possible can get this kind of infection from bareback blowjob?
thanks[/quote]
i got a uti once when i was in brasil a few years back and i'm convinced i got it either from barebacking a girl at termas 4x4 or from a bbbj at a cheapie centro casa. you can get a uti from an uncovered bj, but i'm not sure what the odds of that are.
the symptoms weren't much, just frequent urination. i saw a doctor, he tested my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], gave me seven days of cipro and i was all better. nothing serious, really.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Guys who like to eat their hooker's pussy raw without a dental dam should read this and take note.[/QUOTE]Seems to me that SPs are hotbeds for all 100 of the HPviruses. I understand that a condom is not adequate protection either. I wonder how much your chances of oral cancer increase if you spend a lifetime of mongering with DATY?
Safe sex mean really safe sex. Not OWO, not 69, not kissing, not playing with my dick over her pussy, you never know who was the client before you! Once I got chllamidy (very dangerous and disturbing bactery) just that she lick my dick without condom! She got it from some client and she keep that on her throat and gave it to me without know it. And then I fuck my wife and she got it also, we were about separation just because of this stupid mistake of mine.
a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test can diagnose the sexually transmitted infection chlamydia in men within an hour, enabling on-the-spot treatment.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8172137.stm[/url]
male tests have been relatively inaccurate and involved urethral swabs, which can cause discomfort.
an evaluation, published in the british medical journal, found the test was significantly more accurate than existing [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]-based rapid tests.
once diagnosed, chlamydia can be treated easily with a one-off antibiotic pill.
Well, the obvious answer is that it feels better than using a condom. However, there are other reasons underlying this primary motivation for bare-backing. A few years ago I had a discussion with a professor on the staff of a medical school. I said that Viagra and the other erectile dysfunction drugs should greatly improve the quality of sex for older men. Surprisingly, he said not really. Then he went on to explain that as men aged they loss sensitivity in the nerves of their penis. This natural loss of sensitivity is often aggravated by prostate surgery, vasectomy, smoking, drinking, high cholesterol and obesity.
This leads many geriatric mongers to seek bareback sex in an attempt to maximize the declining sensitivity in their penises. These mongers also prefer girls in the 18-19 yrs old range without kids because they believe that this demographic has tighter and wetter vaginas which offer greater stimulation to compensate for penile numbness. Many older mongers consider the risk of sexually transmitted diseases to be an acceptable trade off to reclaim a bit of the sexual pleasure they experienced in their youth. Some have survived cancer and heart attacks so AIDS or a touch of gonorrhea is not that intimidating to them. Some geriatric mongers have told me that when sex ends life doesn’t mean much anyway so bare-backing young hookers even at the risk of disease far outweighs rooting elderly women at home or living a sexless existence.
What about fathering bastards with prostitutes? Some mongers pump and dump. They never reveal their true identities to the hookers that they bareback so if there is a pregnancy chances are that they’d never hear about it. Others simply deny paternity and that usually is the end of it since Third World hookers don’t have the means to follow these guys to their home countries and press the issue. Small minorities of bareback mongers actually claim their bastards and offer some token assistance to the mothers. Some bare-back aficionados fall in love with their impregnated hookers, marry them and take them home. Secretly they believe that the hooker will be eternally thankful to the bareback monger for saving her and taking her away from the bar or brothel. The prostitute may be young and beautiful, a physically superior specimen to what the monger can obtain at home. The monger may bare-back her with the intention of fathering an attractive child with or without her knowledge of his intentions.
In some cases the prostitute may be simple minded and request a bare-backing. Her aim may to be to get the monger to fall in love with her and extend his continued financial sponsorship after returning to his homeland. Other girls may have no economic aspirations and simply wish to be birth offspring bearing a certain characteristic the monger may have such as blond hair, blue eyes, white skin or a prominent nose. Disease is a reality of life for these girls and they’ve most likely been treated for venereal diseases in the pass. To these girls safe drinking water, food, shelter and vector borne diseases like malaria are a more immediate concern than a shot of AIDS from some bareback monger’s infected dick.
So that’s why monger’s bare-back and why prostitutes allow it in a nutshell.
Well, I don't agree "wetter is better." Up to a point maybe. But a really wet pussy, I personally feel less. I don't take Viagra often and I take low doses but it makes it harder to cum, or it seems that way to me. I'm vasectomized but that was almost thirty years ago and I never noticed any declining sensitivity. Nor do I believe it to be true that a childless 18 year old has a tighter pussy than a childless 34 year old. It's elastic. I've been fucking one favorita for five years now and she isn't getting any looser.
Barebacking by an uncut monger is irresponsible if she is not on BC and sometimes they lie about that. Look at this Col Bog who posts all over about asking for BBFS. He was doing this in Colombia and knocked some chick up and so he disappeared and now is pulling the same shit in Thailand.
Oh yeah, and pulling out doesn't work. Didn't we all learn that in high school? Well, probably not with the religious right and all. But it doesn't. Plus pulling out sucks and you can get it in her eye and that is not good. I'd rather wear a rubber than pull out, most of the time. Pulling out is like eating Chinese food. An hour later I am horny again.
I've been coming in the same hookers' mouths for years down here and it doesn't seem to have had any adverse effects on them. I also know plenty of women, both pros and non-pros, who just don't like condoms. Some say they make their pussy itch, some say it makes it smell bad (true, that), and a lot of them just want to be jizzed in.
Plus condoms are ineffective against HPV.
[quote=yankee 617]a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test can diagnose the sexually transmitted infection chlamydia in men within an hour, enabling on-the-spot treatment.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8172137.stm[/url]
male tests have been relatively inaccurate and involved urethral swabs, which can cause discomfort.
an evaluation, published in the british medical journal, found the test was significantly more accurate than existing [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]-based rapid tests.
once diagnosed, chlamydia can be treated easily with a one-off antibiotic pill.[/quote]a while back i contacted chymadia or had it in my system but didn't detect it.
i took both tests the urinal sample and the urethal swab which was uncomfortable. both tested positive
i can't reacall the name of the anti biotic but was given 4 pills to take all at once and to abstain from unprotected sex for 10 days.
now i asaked the health worker i could have contacted this sexual infection form oral sex and she told me only through sexual intercourse could i have gotten this infection.
i have tried to read more about this because i could swear on a bible that the two women i was having unprotected sex were only seeing me. but you never know. by the way they arent sex workers just two middle aged women.
does anyone have more info?
who can you trust? yourself wear a condom.
[QUOTE=Agapas]Safe sex mean really safe sex. Not OWO, not 69, not kissing, not playing with my dick over her pussy, you never know who was the client before you! Once I got chllamidy (very dangerous and disturbing bactery) just that she lick my dick without condom! She got it from some client and she keep that on her throat and gave it to me without know it. And then I fuck my wife and she got it also, we were about separation just because of this stupid mistake of mine.[/QUOTE]I was told by a worker at planned parethood that I could contact gonohrea through oral sex because as you say a sex worker can have in their throat without knowing it. But she told me not chlymadia. But I agree with you Ifeel you can contact chlymadia through oral sex. I beleive that is how I contacted it.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Barebacking by an uncut monger is irresponsible if she is not on BC and sometimes they lie about that. Look at this Col Bog who posts all over about asking for BBFS. He was doing this in Colombia and knocked some chick up and so he disappeared and now is pulling the same shit in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]
Well, it's more common than you think. The case you mentioned is just one out of many. These bareback mongers beg and plead with the girls for BBFS, blow their loads in them and then run for hills when they catch wind of the resulting prenancy. They move from country to country impregnating and infesting with their cocks. Their only concern is fucking bareback regardless of the consequences to those on the receiving end. Most of these guys aren't cut either but they'll tell the girls that they are in order to bareback them. It's chilling to think about the mind of a man who willfully impregnates a prostitute and then runs off leaving his offspring to be raised solely on the money the mother earns by turning tricks. The sad thing is that some of these guys actually believe that they're doing the hookers a favor by giving them a bastard.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Barebacking by an uncut monger is irresponsible if she is not on BC and sometimes they lie about that. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] Most of these guys aren't cut either but they'll tell the girls that they are in order to bareback them.[/QUOTE]
I assume that by uncut you mean uncircumcised? I don't follow your logic. What difference does being circumcised make as to whether or not you bareback a girl? And how can a guy lie to a girl about being cut? All she has to do is look at his dick to tell whether or not he's cut. Please elaborate on your thinking, because it leaves me scratching my head.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I assume that by uncut you mean uncircumcised? I don't follow your logic. What difference does being circumcised make as to whether or not you bareback a girl? And how can a guy lie to a girl about being cut? All she has to do is look at his dick to tell whether or not he's cut. Please elaborate on your thinking, because it leaves me scratching my head.[/QUOTE]
Lorenzo,
When we said "uncut" we meant mongers who do not have vasectomies. These guys are capable of impregnating girls who they bareback. The girls would have to examine the monger's scrotum to find a scar from the vasectomy. Many just take the guy's word for it.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Well, it's more common than you think. The case you mentioned is just one out of many. These bareback mongers beg and plead with the girls for BBFS, blow their loads in them and then run for hills when they catch wind of the resulting prenancy. They move from country to country impregnating and infesting with their cocks. Their only concern is fucking bareback regardless of the consequences to those on the receiving end. Most of these guys aren't cut either but they'll tell the girls that they are in order to bareback them. It's chilling to think about the mind of a man who willfully impregnates a prostitute and then runs off leaving his offspring to be raised solely on the money the mother earns by turning tricks. The sad thing is that some of these guys actually believe that they're doing the hookers a favor by giving them a bastard.[/QUOTE]
That’s why I get pissed off when you get these guys trying to throw all mongers in the same boat. One member goes on on about how some members like to “crow on top of the shit pile” oh no all mongers are not created equal.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Well, it's more common than you think. [/QUOTE]
Oh, no. I realize it's extremely common. It's a fucking disgrace, but it's extremely common. Another monger who is a frequent poster knocked up a friend of mine by pulling the rubber off without her knowledge or consent during doggy style. He did pay for an abortion but I had to threaten to out him to get him to do it. He has at least one other kid running around from some hooker.
Also, it's impossible to tell by my scrotum that I am cut. The scar fades over the years.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Lorenzo,
When we said "uncut" we meant mongers who do not have vasectomies. These guys are capable of impregnating girls who they bareback. The girls would have to examine the monger's scrotum to find a scar from the vasectomy. Many just take the guy's word for it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clarification. In retrospect, I guess your meaning should have been obvious. However, I've always heard "uncut" used in the other sense. (I don't read this thread that often.)
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Oh, no. I realize it's extremely common. It's a fucking disgrace, but it's extremely common. Another monger who is a frequent poster knocked up a friend of mine by pulling the rubber off without her knowledge or consent during doggy style. He did pay for an abortion but I had to threaten to out him to get him to do it. He has at least one other kid running around from some hooker.
Also, it's impossible to tell by my scrotum that I am cut. The scar fades over the years.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the kind of unethical bareback monger I'm talking about. Some of these guys have other tricks to get BBFS like lubing their pricks with baby oil in order to weaken and break the condom during sex. Once the condom breaks they just continue pumping away until they shoot their load inside the girl. Some of these guys go to other countries with an agenda to spread their seed and whatever nasty little surprises they happen to carry with them. Thanks to these ambassadors of ill-will some places refuse to service foreigners. Many countries are also now blaming mongers for bringing AIDS to their shores. One HIV positive bareback monger traveling to popular hobby destinations and bare-backing a few dozen prostitutes and non-pros is a highly effective mobile biological weapon.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Look at this Col Bog who posts all over about asking for BBFS. He was doing this in Colombia and knocked some chick up and so he disappeared and now is pulling the same shit in Thailand.[/QUOTE]People were enabling him in the Thailand thread, and seem to be doing so in the German partytreff thread too.
Hi,
Just wanted the opinion of some of the people on here with regards to Hepatitis. I've been mongering on and off for about a year, nothing extreme at all. I've always used a condom for penetrative vaginal sex and only had BBBJ with 2 girls a few times. I got tested for HIV about a year ago (NEGATIVE) and since then I've ony been a couple of times with 2 WG's from Syria.
Now I'll have to take this medical exam for HIV and Hepatitis A, B and C in a few months and I'm a bit worried about the Hepatitis tests because I hear it is easy to get compared to HIV.
My question is, how easy is it to get Hep A/B/C from BBBJ? How about protected condom sex? My last BBBJ was over 1 year ago, and since then I've only had sex with 2 WG's from Syria 2 times each, all encounters with condom.
Do I have anything to worry about with regards to Hep A/B/C? I don't have any symptoms of anything at all and feel fine, am just feeling a bit paranoid.
Any opinions would be welcome, thanks.
Regards,
BR
[QUOTE=Blood Red]Hi,
Just wanted the opinion of some of the people on here with regards to Hepatitis. I've been mongering on and off for about a year, nothing extreme at all. I've always used a condom for penetrative vaginal sex and only had BBBJ with 2 girls a few times. I got tested for HIV about a year ago (NEGATIVE) and since then I've ony been a couple of times with 2 WG's from Syria.
Now I'll have to take this medical exam for HIV and Hepatitis A, B and C in a few months and I'm a bit worried about the Hepatitis tests because I hear it is easy to get compared to HIV.
My question is, how easy is it to get Hep A/B/C from BBBJ? How about protected condom sex? My last BBBJ was over 1 year ago, and since then I've only had sex with 2 WG's from Syria 2 times each, all encounters with condom.
Do I have anything to worry about with regards to Hep A/B/C? I don't have any symptoms of anything at all and feel fine, am just feeling a bit paranoid.
Any opinions would be welcome, thanks.
Regards,
BR[/QUOTE]
Hep C is transmitted from blood to blood, so if she is bleeding in her mouth and you have an open wound on your penis then transmission is possible. Otherwise not to worry. Same goes for HIV, blood to blood.
In the Madrid, Spain thread downtown Madrid and German FKK club girls who engage in deep kissing and unprotected oral sex are praised as preferable. Herpes simplex virus (HSV) and human papilloma virus (HPV), which causes genital warts, are easily transmitted by such skin to skin contact, probably as easily by oral as vaginal contact. Both are incurable. A look at these pictures might make be cautionary:
[url]http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/std/genital_warts_pictures.htm[/url]
Don't do it, guys.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]In the Madrid, Spain thread downtown Madrid and German FKK club girls who engage in deep kissing and unprotected oral sex are praised as preferable. Herpes simplex virus (HSV) and human papilloma virus (HPV), which causes genital warts, are easily transmitted by such skin to skin contact, probably as easily by oral as vaginal contact. Both are incurable. A look at these pictures might make be cautionary:
[url]http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/std/genital_warts_pictures.htm[/url]
Don't do it, guys.[/QUOTE]
Param, I've read a lot on this topic. The chances of getting HPV (warts) by kissing or by receiving oral sex are extremely low. I think that getting herpes on your genitals from oral sex would also be low, provided you've already been exposed to Type 1 HSV -- that is, if you've had cold sores on your mouth, I think your chances of getting herpes on your genitals from some woman giving you a blow job are low.
Finally, I've read it's uncommon for a man to contract HSV on his mouth through cunnilingus. With regard to HPV though, I do think there's a risk with cunnilingus. There's a study out that indicates eating strange pussy raises the probability you'll get throat cancer, a lot -- supposedy because you're exposed to HPV.
Provided you already have Type 1 HSV (cold sores), deep french kissing should be pretty safe. In fact, from what I've read, if a woman has a cold you're not that likely to get it from DFK provided you wash your hands before you pick your nose or scratch your eyes.
I suspect you're more likely to get HSV or HPV through protected (with a condom) sexual intercourse than through unprotected oral sex. If a woman has either, there's a good chance you're going to have skin-on-skin contact even with a condom.
That said, supposedly chlamydia and gonorrhea are commonly spread through oral sex.
On another topic, apparently one of our brethren contracted HIV in Ethiopia,
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=930292&postcount=615[/url]
Thanks for the reply, Tiny 12. I think you are right about a man being more likely to get genital herpes (HSV 1 or 2) or genital warts (Human Papilloma Virus or HPV) from intercourse with a typical male condom than oral sex without a condom. According to the Wikipedia article on the female condom, "Female condoms are better at preventing some STIs than the traditional condom. This is because they cover more skin, which is the main way skin-to-skin viruses are contracted, such as herpes." ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_condom[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009) So I think female condoms should be used for vaginal intercourse. The inner loop can be removed, permitting it to be used the same way a male condom would be, providing much greater protection than can be had with the usual male condom from any sexually transmitted disease that is transmitted by skin to skin contact, such as herpes 1 or 2, genital warts (HPV), or syphilis.
Having HSV-1 may make you less likely to get genital herpes (HSV 1 or 2) through oral or vaginal sex, but having HSV-1 hardly makes you immune.
==================================================
[url]http://www.healthcentral.com/genital-herpes/c/86/6903/hsv1-oral-sex[/url]
accessed Nov. 10, 2009, The Truth About HSV1, HSV2, and Oral Sex
Charlotte Grayson, M.D.: "However, did you know that either type can reside in either or both parts of the body and infect BOTH areas? In some parts of the world, genital infection with HSV-1 is as common as HSV 2 genital infection." ...
"[Q]You have genital HSV-1 and your partner has genital HSV-2 and you have unprotected sex.
[A]There is a small risk that you will get HSV-2. However, it’s not very likely that your partner will get genital HSV-1. It’s rare for a person with genital HSV-2 to get HSV-1."
"[Q]Your partner has genital HSV-2 and you perform oral sex on him or her. Will you get oral HSV-2?
[A]Not likely. Almost 100% of HSV-2 infection is genital. Part of the reason is that most people have oral HSV-1 – providing some immunity against infection against HSV-2."
========================================================
[url]http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/20061101/herpes-oral-sex-womens-risks[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009, By Miranda Hitti, WebMD Health News, Reviewed by Ruth Oratz, MD, "Herpes and Oral Sex: Women’s Risks
Receiving Oral Sex, Vaginal Intercourse Boost Chance of Herpes Infection": ...
"HSV-1 has been traditionally thought to spread "above the waist," while HSV-2 has a reputation for Transmission through sexual behavior "below the belt," say University of Pittsburgh researchers. But now, they've shown that women can also catch HSV-1 through vaginal or oral sex. ... HSV-2 infection doesn't help protect against HSV-1 ..."
=========================================================
[url]http://www.herpes.com/hsv1-2.html[/url], accessed Nov. 10, 2009, "The Truth about HSV-1 and HSV-2": "... 'People don't understand that you can have type 1 genitally or orally, that the two types are essentially the same virus,' says Marshall Clover, manager of the National Herpes Hotline."
Guys, if you're out there barebacking prostitutes your risk of catching AIDS is comparable to that of the prostitutes you fuck. As a monger you fall in a higher risk group so statistics for the general population are not applicable to you. This recent report is eye-opening for mongers.
[url]http://chhs.sdsu.edu/newspdf/7.12.09%20Risky%20Sexual%20Behavior%20Among%20Clients%20of%20Tijuana%20Sex%20Workers%20Heightens%20Risk%20of%20HIV%20Transmission.pdf[/url]
If you caught AIDS from mongering bareback would you giving up or mongering or will you continue to monger bareback?
The findings in that study are quite contradictory to the findings in this study. See post #478.
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1077&page=4&pp=15[/url]
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Guys, if you're out there barebacking prostitutes your risk of catching AIDS is comparable to that of the prostitutes you fuck. As a monger you fall in a higher risk group so statistics for the general population are not applicable to you. This recent report is eye-opening for mongers.
[url]http://chhs.sdsu.edu/newspdf/7.12.09%20Risky%20Sexual%20Behavior%20Among%20Clients%20of%20Tijuana%20Sex%20Workers%20Heightens%20Risk%20of%20HIV%20Transmission.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Traditional condoms cover the penis only but not the pubic area, so can not effectively isolate the body fluids. This condom has an attached skirt at the base to also prevent HPV and other skin to skin transmitted STDs.
[url]http://www.goldcannon.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=John Dough]Traditional condoms cover the penis only but not the pubic area, so can not effectively isolate the body fluids. This condom has an attached skirt at the base to also prevent HPV and other skin to skin transmitted STDs.
[url]http://www.goldcannon.com/[/url][/QUOTE]The answer I got when I inquired is that the condom with attached skirt at the base isn't yet available in the USA. Does anybody know if and where they can be bought now, either in person or by mail?
Perhaps for now the female condom with the inner loop removed and used as if it were a male condom is the best available, since standard male condoms leave users at risk of STIs that are transmitted by skin-to-skin contact (syphilis, herpes, warts).
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]The answer I got when I inquired is that the condom with attached skirt at the base isn't yet available in the USA. Does anybody know if and where they can be bought now, either in person or by mail?
Perhaps for now the female condom with the inner loop removed and used as if it were a male condom is the best available, since standard male condoms leave users at risk of STIs that are transmitted by skin-to-skin contact (syphilis, herpes, warts).[/QUOTE]
You don't remove the inner ring from a female condom, unless you're having anal sex. Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside of a woman's vagina. They're way too large. Also, female condoms only provide about half an inch (if that) of additional protection outside of the vagina. Once you start thrusting, it moves enough to allow for at least occasional skin contact. Obviously half an inch is better than nothing and I'm not trying to discourage their use...just wanted to put their 'protective' properties into perspective.
If you're really worried about skin-to-skin transmission, here's an old 'hooker trick' to protect against herpes, etc: Get a dental dam (a square of latex designed for protected oral sex on a woman) and cut a small slit in the centre. Put your penis in the slit and slide the dental dam down, ALMOST to the base. Then put on a condom as normal, ensuring the base of the condom covers the top edge of the dental dam. Voila! Absolutely NO genital contact.
Those condoms with skirts are a fabulous idea, though.
[QUOTE=Warbucks]That’s why I get pissed off when you get these guys trying to throw all mongers in the same boat. One member goes on on about how some members like to “crow on top of the shit pile” oh no all mongers are not created equal.[/QUOTE]Hello,
I'm new. excited to participate in this forum.
[QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Hep C is transmitted from blood to blood, so if she is bleeding in her mouth and you have an open wound on your penis then transmission is possible. Otherwise not to worry. Same goes for HIV, blood to blood.[/QUOTE]
What? This seems to be very false information.
[QUOTE=Jon32][QUOTE=Sangue Bon]Hep C is transmitted from blood to blood, so if she is bleeding in her mouth and you have an open wound on your penis then transmission is possible. Otherwise not to worry. Same goes for HIV, blood to blood.[/QUOTE]
What? This seems to be very false information.[/QUOTE]
Sangue Bon is correct. HepC is a Blood Borne Virus (BBV). The biggest risk for contracting HepC is sharing needles - prevalence in most countries is highest amongst injecting drug users. HepC is a tough little virus and can last quite a long time outside of the body, so "risk behaviours" also include sharing razor blades and toothbrushes, sharing other injecting equipment (spoons, filters), needle stick injuries, etc.
The risk of HepC transmission through sex is almost non-existent, although certain activities could increase the risk - like having sex during a woman's menstrual period, or BDSM activities that break the skin, or where both parties have genital sores/irritation, or if there's traces of blood in semen. Anal sex may also be risky if tearing or bleeding occurs. Put it this way...studies have shown that for long-term couples having regular unprotected sex, where one party has HepC and the other doesn't, there is only a 2%-5% risk of transmission over 10 years. It's so low that HepC is not generally considered to be an STI.
HIV is a slightly different kettle of fish. While it *IS* officially classified as a BBV, it's also talked about as an STI, because it can be present in other bodily fluids, like vaginal fluids and semen. Obviously, there is a high risk of transmission with direct blood to blood contact (blood transfusions, sharing needles). But HIV doesn't survive for long outside of the body, so transmission via razors, needle stick injuries, etc is unlikely. The amount of virus found in other bodily fluids can vary greatly and even if your partner's viral load is high, the virus still needs to find a way into your actual blood stream, via cuts or tears or genital sores.
Disclaimer: I am a trained sexual health educator, but I'm NOT a medical practitioner. Feel free to correct or question me, but don't flame me about my 'professional qualifications', because I'm freely admitting I don't have any.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
The amount of virus found in other bodily fluids can vary greatly and even if your partner's viral load is high, the virus still needs to find a way into your actual blood stream, via cuts or tears or genital sores.
[/QUOTE]
So if someone gives you an STD, then it is more likely they gave you HIV as well? Or does this mean that you have to have the STD to begin with then acquiring HIV is more likely?
[QUOTE=Jon32]So if someone gives you an STD, then it is more likely they gave you HIV as well?[/QUOTE]
The only way you could know that for certain, is if you only have sex with one person in the 3-6 month period before being tested. :) That said, if their HIV infection was the result of risky sexual behaviour, there's a good chance they also picked up something else along the way.
[QUOTE=Jon32]Or does this mean that you have to have the STD to begin with then acquiring HIV is more likely?[/QUOTE]
You have a [b]much[/b] greater risk of acquiring - and transmitting - HIV if you already have another STI present, especially one that causes genital sores.
From the American CDC website: "Ulcerative STDs that cause sores, ulcers, or breaks in the skin or mucous membranes, such as syphilis, disrupt barriers that provide protection against infections. The genital ulcers caused by syphilis can bleed easily, and when they come into contact with oral and rectal mucosa during sex, increase the infectiousness of and susceptibility to HIV".
Of course, it's the sores and tears that increase risk, not the STI itself. Sores and tears can also happen to perfectly healthy people, during perfectly 'normal' sex - sharp fingernails or foreign objects in vaginas, rough or prolonged sex, anal sex, latex allergies, thrush, unhealed surgical scars, shaving cuts, etc.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Sangue Bon is correct. HepC is a Blood Borne Virus (BBV). The biggest risk for contracting HepC is sharing needles - prevalence in most countries is highest amongst injecting drug users. HepC is a tough little virus and can last quite a long time outside of the body, so "risk behaviours" also include sharing razor blades and toothbrushes, sharing other injecting equipment (spoons, filters), needle stick injuries, etc.
The risk of HepC transmission through sex is almost non-existent, although certain activities could increase the risk - like having sex during a woman's menstrual period, or BDSM activities that break the skin, or where both parties have genital sores/irritation, or if there's traces of blood in semen. Anal sex may also be risky if tearing or bleeding occurs. Put it this way...studies have shown that for long-term couples having regular unprotected sex, where one party has HepC and the other doesn't, there is only a 2%-5% risk of transmission over 10 years. It's so low that HepC is not generally considered to be an STI.
HIV is a slightly different kettle of fish. While it *IS* officially classified as a BBV, it's also talked about as an STI, because it can be present in other bodily fluids, like vaginal fluids and semen. Obviously, there is a high risk of transmission with direct blood to blood contact (blood transfusions, sharing needles). But HIV doesn't survive for long outside of the body, so transmission via razors, needle stick injuries, etc is unlikely. The amount of virus found in other bodily fluids can vary greatly and even if your partner's viral load is high, the virus still needs to find a way into your actual blood stream, via cuts or tears or genital sores.
Disclaimer: I am a trained sexual health educator, but I'm NOT a medical practitioner. Feel free to correct or question me, but don't flame me about my 'professional qualifications', because I'm freely admitting I don't have any.[/QUOTE]No need to apologize, your info is quite helpful.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]You don't remove the inner ring from a female condom, unless you're having anal sex. Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside of a woman's vagina. They're way too large.[/QUOTE]The manufacturer's instructions say to remove the female condom's inner ring only for anal intercourse, but that's nonsense. Who says "Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside a woman's vagina"? My many experiences of using them that way for vaginal intercourse proves you [u]can[/u]. And it works just fine.
Your other idea about using a dental dam with a standard male condom to avoid any skin-to-skin contact might be worth a try, but I suspect the dental dam would tear enough to allow direct contact at the base of the penis as always happens with standard male condoms with full penetration, permitting transmission of STDs transmitted by skin-to-skin contact such as herpes, syphilis, and genital warts, which is why sex with standard male condoms is so dangerous.
Another problem with all standard male condoms is that while pressure can still be felt, friction is gone, which is why men compare the satisfaction of intercourse or oral contact when wearing a standard male condom with that of taking a shower while wearing a rain coat (keeping you dry in the shower). With the female condom used as directed or even with the inner loop removed and worn as a male condom, the female condom sticks to her more than to you, so you still feel friction, making vaginal intercourse feel almost completely natural while providing you with much better protection from STDs than would be possible with a standard male condom. The female condom worn as a male condom with the inner loop removed, for vaginal intercourse, provides far more coverage and far better protection than you are giving it credit for.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]With the female condom used as directed or even with the inner loop removed and worn as a male condom, the female condom sticks to her more than to you, so you still feel friction, making vaginal intercourse feel almost completely natural[/QUOTE]
When I tried it many years ago it felt like having sex with a plastic bag (opposite of natural). Have the manufacturers of the female condom improved the materials since then?
[QUOTE=John Dough]When I tried it [the female condom] many years ago it felt like having sex with a plastic bag (opposite of natural). Have the manufacturers of the female condom improved the materials since then?[/QUOTE]I recall reading a similar comment in an Internet blog by a female who used the female condom but still advocated using them because of the increased protection they provide. So I suggest trying the female condom again. I like the female condom when I take the inner loop out (with a [u]clean, uncontaminated[/u] finger) and use it like I would a male condom but not when the woman puts it inside her as directed by the manufacturer's instructions. If you use lubricant, put it inside the female condom, not on the outside of the condom or inside of her, although that way [u]she[/u] might miss the friction! Ironically, many women insist on the standard male condoms they're accustomed to because they feel safer with them, when in fact they'd be [u]much[/u] better protected with a female condom. I've often refused to have intercourse when the woman wouldn't use one of my female condoms, and all she had were the standard ones that leave me at risk for skin-to-skin transmission where the male condom doesn't cover. With the female condom's outer ring on the outside of her body, not even the base of the penis will come into contact with her vaginal lips where a tiny herpes or HPV lesion (wart) may be hidden you'd otherwise come into direct contact with.
Underscoring the lack of protection provided by standard male condoms is this remark by Harvey B. Simon, M.D., in an article in the March 2010 issue of [i]Harvard Men's Health Watch[/i]: "Most people with HPV [human papilloma virus, causing genital warts] don't know they have it, but can still transmit the infection to their sexual partners. Safer sexual practices can reduce the risk of infection, but since condoms don't cover all potentially infected tissues, protection is incomplete." He means standard male condoms. Also keep in mind that 1 in 4 women generally, and 65-75% of prostitutes, have HSV-2 (genital herpes) and that 90% of women who have HSV-2 are unaware of the fact that they are infected but can nevertheless transmit the infection to you.
Dr. Simon's article says a HPV vaccine, Gardasil, was approved "for use in boys in Europe and Australia, and the FDA followed suit in October 2009." [i]The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy[/i] says of genital warts, "No treatment is completely satisfactory; relapse is frequent and requires retreatment." So getting vaccinated is worth considering.
I guess few guys here bother to read earlier posts.
While its true that certain variants of HPV cause genital warts, the more worrisome thing is that certain variants of HPV cause cancer. I know, I just finished a year of treatment for Tonsil Cancer caused by HPV version 16.
As a brief synopsis, I was diagnosed in March 2009. Underwent a tonsillectomy (for diagnostic purposes) then 9 weeks of chemo starting late April 2009. In July 2009, I started 7 weeks of a combined chemo-radiation therapy, which was intended to be definitive. But I still had a lump in my neck, so I underwent neck dissection surgery in December 2009 and they found more active cancer. Consequently, I underwent another 6 weeks of combined chemo-radiation therapy starting early January 2010. This (hopefully final) treatment is now complete, so all I need to do now is recover.
HPV thrives in mucosal membranes and can cause cancer in any of them: including the cervix/penis/anus and the oral/nasal/pharyngeal regions. I'm unsure whether or not HPV can live (and cause cancer) in the esophagus, stomach, or intestines.
Read my previous posts for more info:
Post 761
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=902521&postcount=761[/url]
Post 752
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879534&postcount=752[/url]
Post 749
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879044&postcount=749[/url]
Post 747
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=874476&postcount=747[/url]
Post 746
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=871923&postcount=746[/url]
Existing HPV vaccines are prophylactic (only) and so are recommended only for children, before they've had sexual activity. These vaccines only protect against selected variants of HPV (including some variants that cause cancer and some variants that cause genital warts) but they do not protect against all variants of HPV that cause cancer or genital warts.
Nearly everyone who has been sexually active has been exposed to some variant of HPV. Even if you were exposed to a variant of HPV that causes cancer (or warts), this does not mean you will get cancer (or warts). I've seen some reports saying the body can clear itself of HPV, and other reports saying that HPV can remain in the body for decades (without causing any untoward effects). Chances are that everyone reading this post has not only been exposed to HPV but is also currently carrying HPV and will pass it to others; hopefully its one of the many benign variants of HPV.
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]I guess few guys here bother to read earlier posts.
While its true that certain variants of HPV cause genital warts, the more worrisome thing is that certain variants of HPV cause cancer. I know, I just finished a year of treatment for Tonsil Cancer caused by HPV version 16.
As a brief synopsis, I was diagnosed in March 2009. Underwent a tonsillectomy (for diagnostic purposes) then 9 weeks of chemo starting late April 2009. In July 2009, I started 7 weeks of a combined chemo-radiation therapy, which was intended to be definitive. But I still had a lump in my neck, so I underwent neck dissection surgery in December 2009 and they found more active cancer. Consequently, I underwent another 6 weeks of combined chemo-radiation therapy starting early January 2010. This (hopefully final) treatment is now complete, so all I need to do now is recover.
HPV thrives in mucosal membranes and can cause cancer in any of them: including the cervix/penis/anus and the oral/nasal/pharyngeal regions. I'm unsure whether or not HPV can live (and cause cancer) in the esophagus, stomach, or intestines.
Read my previous posts for more info:
Post 761
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=902521&postcount=761[/url]
Post 752
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879534&postcount=752[/url]
Post 749
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879044&postcount=749[/url]
Post 747
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=874476&postcount=747[/url]
Post 746
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=871923&postcount=746[/url]
Existing HPV vaccines are prophylactic (only) and so are recommended only for children, before they've had sexual activity. These vaccines only protect against selected variants of HPV (including some variants that cause cancer and some variants that cause genital warts) but they do not protect against all variants of HPV that cause cancer or genital warts.
Nearly everyone who has been sexually active has been exposed to some variant of HPV. Even if you were exposed to a variant of HPV that causes cancer (or warts), this does not mean you will get cancer (or warts). I've seen some reports saying the body can clear itself of HPV, and other reports saying that HPV can remain in the body for decades (without causing any untoward effects). Chances are that everyone reading this post has not only been exposed to HPV but is also currently carrying HPV and will pass it to others; hopefully its one of the many benign variants of HPV.[/QUOTE]Good luck with the treatment. Your advice is sound. A paper was published earlier this week in a medical journal that identified HPV as a cause of throat cancers. The risk for people with HPV was 32x above background, while the major other factor. Drinking alcohol. Was only associated with a two fold increase. Thus, HPV seems to be a very important factor causing throat cancers.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]The manufacturer's instructions say to remove the female condom's inner ring only for anal intercourse, but that's nonsense. Who says "Female condoms can't be used as a 'regular' condom outside a woman's vagina"? My many experiences of using them that way for vaginal intercourse proves you [u]can[/u]. And it works just fine....The female condom worn as a male condom with the inner loop removed, for vaginal intercourse, provides far more coverage and far better protection than you are giving it credit for.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to get the wrong idea about things in text and maybe I'm picturing something completely different to what you're actually talking about (and if I am, I'm sorry) ...but I've used the female condom hundreds of times and just can't work out how - or why - you would wear one as a regular condom. You must have a very, VERY wide penis! :) And anyone who has ever used female condoms will know they make LOTS OF NOISE!!! Like scrunching up cellophane. If you took the inner ring out, the condom would move more with each thrust and make even more noise than usual. That would drive me crazy.
The most common uses of the female condom for sex workers that I'm aware of are when one party has a latex allergy, for men who can't get erect enough to put a regular condom on, for men whose penises are too big to comfortably wear a regular condom and for men who don't like wearing condoms at all. (For the latter the female condom, heavily lubed, allows men to effectively fuck bareback in a plastic-lined vagina). Also, the female condom is brilliant when you have a booking with one man and more than one woman - where the guy wants to pull his dick out of one vagina and put it straight into the next woman. It protects everyone and saves changing condoms between acts.
I'm sorry, but I just don't know of anyone who uses the female condom for the added protective benefits. As I said before, it could add SLIGHT protection for the man, but adds nothing much for the woman ...for one thing, his testicles are still hitting her skin. So it stands to reason that if, for example, a man has warts on his balls, he could pass it on to the woman's anal area. Then the next guy whose balls come in contact with her anal area, could catch warts. Again, I'm NOT discouraging the use of female condoms, but I think we need to be realistic about their protective value.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]Your other idea about using a dental dam with a standard male condom to avoid any skin-to-skin contact might be worth a try, but I suspect the dental dam would tear enough to allow direct contact at the base of the penis....[/QUOTE]
Dental dams are very resistant to tearing. The stupid things are probably strong enough to make clothing out of! They are the dumbest idea EVER for oral sex, but pretty effective as protective penis skirts.
[QUOTE=Zircon]Good luck with the treatment. Your advice is sound. A paper was published earlier this week in a medical journal that identified HPV as a cause of throat cancers. The risk for people with HPV was 32x above background, while the major other factor. Drinking alcohol. Was only associated with a two fold increase. Thus, HPV seems to be a very important factor causing throat cancers.[/QUOTE]
This is probably a good time to bring up the risks associated with giving BBBJs. Soooo many men b*tch and moan about sex workers refusing to do natural oral (especially here in Australia, where it's not commonly offered), but really...STIs are bad enough, but is a $50 BJ really worth the risk of getting throat or mouth cancer? And for those married men out there...do you really want to increase YOUR WIFE'S risk of throat cancer, by engaging in bareback sex acts with hookers or stray pub pick-ups?
PS. Yankee: Best of luck with everything. My thoughts are with you. xxx
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]...I'm sorry, but I just don't know of anyone who uses the female condom for the added protective benefits.[/QUOTE] Well, I do, and I wish women wouldn't give me such a hard time about using them.
[QUOTE] ...for one thing, his testicles are still hitting her skin. So it stands to reason that if, for example, a man has warts on his balls, he could pass it on to the woman's anal area. Then the next guy whose balls come in contact with her anal area, could catch warts. Again, I'm NOT discouraging the use of female condoms, but I think we need to be realistic about their protective value.[/QUOTE] I once read a female blogger's comment about getting herpes from a sore on a man's scrotum, so you may have a valid point. A female condom won't prevent contact there. The areas not protected by a female condom are more likely to be dry, though, which probably makes the risk far less. I've never gotten anything using a female condom.
[QUOTE]Dental dams are very resistant to tearing. The stupid things are probably strong enough to make clothing out of! They are the dumbest idea EVER for oral sex, but pretty effective as protective penis skirts.[/QUOTE]I suspect if I had to have intercourse with a standard male condom, eliminating all friction and allowing me to feel only pressure, and a dental dam as a penis skirt, it would seem pointless, and I'd rather have a hand job sans condom after spraying alcohol on her hands, even if the [u]idea[/u] without the [u]feeling[/u] of being inside her is still nice. With some condoms I can't even tell if I've penetrated without looking with my eyes. All of this highlights the advantage of natural, unprotected sex with an attractive and faithful partner whose sexual health is known, maybe using only a diaphragm or contraceptive sponge for contraception. But of course, in the case of most of us, if we had that, we wouldn't be paying for sex in the first place.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]I've never gotten anything using a female condom.[/QUOTE]
And after 4000+ clients, I've never caught anything using regular condoms.
[QUOTE]Well, I do, and I wish women wouldn't give me such a hard time about using them..[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely not trying to give you a hard time. Your commitment to protecting yourself and your partners is to be respected and commended. You have every right to make your own risk assessment and choose which method works best for YOU. I love that you said you've refused intercourse when a partner has refused to use your preferred protection - again, that's a decision that should be commended. When it comes to sex, you should ALWAYS feel safe and comfortable. (Of course, if the other party doesn't feel safe and comfortable with your chosen method, they also have the right to refuse).
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]All of this highlights the advantage of natural, unprotected sex with an attractive and faithful partner whose sexual health is known, maybe using only a diaphragm or contraceptive sponge for contraception. But of course, in the case of most of us, if we had that, we wouldn't be paying for sex in the first place.[/QUOTE]
As the saying goes, “show me a supermodel and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of fucking her”.
[url]http://www.lionsdenu.com/tiger-tiger-woods-yall/[/url]
"Variety is the spice of life".
[QUOTE=John Dough]As the saying goes, “show me a supermodel and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of fucking her”.[/QUOTE]I saw a version of this on a biker's helmet sticker: "No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere, is tired of her shit."
[QUOTE]
"Variety is the spice of life".[/QUOTE]Actually, I recognized the truth of this in my essay, "Prostitutes are better because ...": "... an advantage of sex with prostitutes is variety, which is said to be the spice of life. In this case, the variety can do wonders for your sex drive. Being willing to have sexual experiences with prostitutes makes it easier to experience intimacy with a variety of women." [url]http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/paramahmad0/a_index.html[/url] What I said (below) about the safety, sensual advantage of unprotected sex with a steady, faithful partner whose sexual health is known, and I could have added the companionship and intimacy that are more likely to exist in such a relationship, is also true, however.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]And after 4000+ clients, I've never caught anything using regular condoms.[/QUOTE]4000+ clients? Yikes! I can't imagine. And I though [u]I'd[/u] had sex with a lot of women. You're making me feel conservative. Of course, I guess that's part of the job. You must be great looking to have had so many men want you. And never caught anything? Even if you play doctor with, or carefully examine, all your clients beforehand, considering asymptomatic transmission and direct contact with the base of men's penises as happens with regular condoms, that's an amazing statistic.
[QUOTE]I'm definitely not trying to give you a hard time. ... I love that you said you've refused intercourse when a partner has refused to use your preferred protection - again, that's a decision that should be commended. [/QUOTE]I didn't mean your comments are a hard time. I meant the women who've refused to let me use a female condom with the inner loop removed and worn as I would a regular condom, usually because they are not familiar with them or only trust condoms they've bought themselves.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad]4000+ clients? ... You must be great looking to have had so many men want you.[/QUOTE]
It's only an estimate. I wasn't really counting :) And no, I'm not very good looking. I was just lucky enough to work in busy places and I got a lot of client recommendations, because I loved my job. There's also very few sex workers in my state, considering the size of the adult male population, so there's less competition.
[QUOTE]And never caught anything? Even if you play doctor with, or carefully examine, all your clients beforehand, considering asymptomatic transmission and direct contact with the base of men's penises as happens with regular condoms, that's an amazing statistic.[/QUOTE]
If you look up the sexual health statistics of Australian sex workers, you'll find my experience is not uncommon. Our sex industry enjoys lower rates of STIs than the general Australian population and HIV in our sex workers is almost non-existent. Visual inspections and universal condom use are obviously important factors, but other things like targeted education (by Govt funded sex worker organisations), decriminalised environments, industrial rights, control over choice of clients/sex practices, access to free and anonymous STI testing, cheap (or free) condoms, etc, also have a big impact.
[QUOTE]...the women who've refused to let me use a female condom ...[those who] only trust condoms they've bought themselves.[/QUOTE]
If you came to me with a condom, female or regular, I would be one of those women. I refuse to use any condom provided by my client/partner. Not only do I have concerns about how it was stored (condoms carted around in wallets or car gloveboxes are dangerous!), but there are also some real PIGS out there who intentionally sabotage condoms so they will break during sex. If you look around this Forum for 'tricks' to get bareback services, particularly in the Thailand thread, you'll see what I mean. I know it must be frustrating to be refused but, like you, we're only trying to minimise our own risk.
Hi All
As the devils advocate in this discussion, I just love the feeling of unprotected sex and will actively seek it here in Australia with WL's.
After maybe 3-400 instances of unprotected oral and maybe 20 of unprotected sex 6 medical check ups and blood tests including recent ones.
NO STI's or warts or crabs or anything.
This makes me suspect that these things can be very selective.
IE there are things you can do to mitigate the risk, Starting from the top in order of importance.
Maintain good health and an immune system- Eat well, plenty of fish & vegetables, don't smoke, drink to excess and keep that resistance to bacteria up.
Always make sure plenty of lube is applied and don't be a mile a minute pounder.
Get the 3 shots of gardasil if you can afford to punt you can afford to get the shots
Statistics favour men who are circumsised with many of the STD infection rates.
Of course I am terrified of catching an STI but the additive side of my personality that loves risk taking, also enjoys the feeling as described by Borat "Her vagine is like inside of wizards sleeve"
Nothing I have ever felt feels so good.
OS
Wow, thanks for that. I didnt even know what gardasil was. I will go to the doctor and get that taken care of.
[QUOTE=Offshore Swell]Hi All
As the devils advocate in this discussion, I just love the feeling of unprotected sex and will actively seek it here in Australia with WL's.
After maybe 3-400 instances of unprotected oral and maybe 20 of unprotected sex 6 medical check ups and blood tests including recent ones.
NO STI's or warts or crabs or anything.
This makes me suspect that these things can be very selective.
IE there are things you can do to mitigate the risk, Starting from the top in order of importance.
Maintain good health and an immune system- Eat well, plenty of fish & vegetables, don't smoke, drink to excess and keep that resistance to bacteria up.
Always make sure plenty of lube is applied and don't be a mile a minute pounder.
Get the 3 shots of gardasil if you can afford to punt you can afford to get the shots
Statistics favour men who are circumsised with many of the STD infection rates.
Of course I am terrified of catching an STI but the additive side of my personality that loves risk taking, also enjoys the feeling as described by Borat "Her vagine is like inside of wizards sleeve"
Nothing I have ever felt feels so good.
OS[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jon32]Wow, thanks for that. I didnt even know what gardasil was. I will go to the doctor and get that taken care of.[/QUOTE]
You should know it costs about $360 to get the series of 3 shots needed for vaccination. Also, if you've already been exposed to any of the HPV variants targeted by the vaccine, its unlikely to be effective against that variant.
Read more about it here:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine[/url]
I am STRONGLY in favor of this vaccine and would get it myself if I thought it would be effective. [I'm not talking about cost-effective... I'd gladly spend $360 or more if this would offer me some protection against HPV.] Unfortunately, in my case, my doctors have all basically said I shouldn't bother... maybe I'll ask them again.
If you have children (girls or boys, up to age 26, but preferably about age 10-12... before they've become sexually active) then go get them vaccinated. Its not only good for them, its good for everyone.
Here's an interesting fact sheet from the CDC:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm[/url]
Oddly, it does not mention the fact that HPV is one of the causes oral cancer. That makes me think this fact sheet is a little old. Still, it does include many interesting facts about HPV. One such fact is that HPV can cause anal cancer, but it does NOT cause colorectal cancer.
If you encounter a P4P lady who has sore eyes, would you still go ahead with the act?
I ask because I recently read that it is also one of the symptoms of chlamydia infection.
I am not a medical-related professional, but would like to share with the forum members what I read in the news paper today.
The article said that there are two vaccines, namely Cervarix made by GlaxoSmithKline and Gardasil made by Merch & Co, which can prevent HPV which causes virtually all cases of cervical cancer.
Deon123
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Here's an interesting fact sheet from the CDC:
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdfact-hpv-and-men.htm[/url]
Oddly, it does not mention the fact that HPV is one of the causes oral cancer. That makes me think this fact sheet is a little old. Still, it does include many interesting facts about HPV. One such fact is that HPV can cause anal cancer, but it does NOT cause colorectal cancer.[/QUOTE]
This is a wonderful site and there is a great pool of knowledge here, both in punting and in keeping it safer. I really encourage everyone to read about STDs/STIs and how to practice safer sex. The industry is a breeding ground for diseases...
I love to DATY but have recently found out from ([url]http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-05[/url]) that it can transmit HIV through the mouth. Are there ways to minimize the risk of contracting viruses while DATY? Really rather not give it up... :)
Here's some key info from the aforementioned website, regarding HIV --
[b]Most people with HIV infection do not look sick.
Most people with HIV infection have not been tested and don't know they are infected.
HIV is a virus that infects people by getting inside their blood cells. To avoid getting HIV, you must prevent the blood, semen, vaginal fluids, or breast milk of someone who is infected from entering your body through your mouth, vagina, anus, tip of your penis, or breaks in your skin.[/b]
[quote=deon123]i am not a medical-related professional, but would like to share with the forum members what i read in the news paper today.
the article said that there are two vaccines, namely cervarix made by glaxosmithkline and gardasil made by merch & co, which can prevent hpv which causes virtually all cases of cervical cancer.
deon123[/quote]
this is correct. gardasil prevents four varieties of hpv, two of which are oncogenic (cancer-causing) and two which cause warts. cervarix also prevents four varieties of hpv, all four of which are oncogenic. gardasil is approved for use in the usa and europe. i'm not sure whether cervarix has yet been approved for use in the usa but i think its been approved in europe. both vaccines are "prophylactic" (they must be administered prior to infection to be effective).
i believe they're working on broader spectrum hpv vaccines (i.e., vaccines that protect against more varieties of hpv). i also believe they're working on "therapeupic" hpv vaccines (which are effective if administered after you've been infected). but it may be a very long time before we see these.
the vast majority of hpv-induced cancers are caused by hpv-16. both gardasil and cervarix prevent infection by hpv-16.
hpv is the only known cause of cervical cancer. hpv causes about 30% of the cases or oral cancer. most cases of oral cancer are still caused by tobacco or alcohol use; however, with fewer people smoking, these statistics are slowly changing (with fewer cases of tobacco-induced oral cancer).
(i'm not a medical professional either.)
[QUOTE=Johnny Maldiva]This is a wonderful site and there is a great pool of knowledge here, both in punting and in keeping it safer. I really encourage everyone to read about STDs/STIs and how to practice safer sex. The industry is a breeding ground for diseases...
I love to DATY but have recently found out from ([url]http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-05[/url]) that it can transmit HIV through the mouth. Are there ways to minimize the risk of contracting viruses while DATY? Really rather not give it up... :)
Here's some key info from the aforementioned website, regarding HIV --
[b]Most people with HIV infection do not look sick.
Most people with HIV infection have not been tested and don't know they are infected.
HIV is a virus that infects people by getting inside their blood cells. To avoid getting HIV, you must prevent the blood, semen, vaginal fluids, or breast milk of someone who is infected from entering your body through your mouth, vagina, anus, tip of your penis, or breaks in your skin.[/b][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link. I love DATY too... and, for me, "dental dams" eliminate the pleasure of DATY so I'd never use them.
My understanding is that HIV is transmitted primarily through the blood. So if you have bleeding sores or bleeding gums in your mouth, this will greatly increase your chances of contracting HIV through DATY. Thus, AFAIK, aside from using a "dental dam", the best way to protect against contracting HIV from DATY is to make sure you have top-notch oral hygiene. Brush & floss several times a day to ensure that you have healthy gums and teeth. Don't engage in DATY if you have any open sores inside or near your mouth/lips. Also, do NOT floss for ~10-12 hours before engaging in DATY (as flossing will likely provide open access to the bloodstream through the gums).
Further, if you shave, give yourself ~10-12 hours after shaving before engaging in DATY (to allow micro-nicks in your skin to heal). Give yourself several days to heal if you've nicked yourself badly (i.e., if you can see any blood at all).
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Thanks for the link. I love DATY too... and, for me, "dental dams" eliminate the pleasure of DATY so I'd never use them.
My understanding is that HIV is transmitted primarily through the blood. So if you have bleeding sores or bleeding gums in your mouth, this will greatly increase your chances of contracting HIV through DATY. Thus, AFAIK, aside from using a "dental dam", the best way to protect against contracting HIV from DATY is to make sure you have top-notch oral hygiene. Brush & floss several times a day to ensure that you have healthy gums and teeth. Don't engage in DATY if you have any open sores inside or near your mouth/lips. Also, do NOT floss for ~10-12 hours before engaging in DATY (as flossing will likely provide open access to the bloodstream through the gums).
Further, if you shave, give yourself ~10-12 hours after shaving before engaging in DATY (to allow micro-nicks in your skin to heal). Give yourself several days to heal if you've nicked yourself badly (i.e., if you can see any blood at all).[/QUOTE]Hi Yankee. Thanks for responding with your tips. I agree re: dental dams. Having never used one, I can't say if it'd give the woman any pleasure but without the taste, smell, feel of the real thing up against my lips it wouldn't be the same. I guess that's the only real prevention as far as swallowing vaginal fluids that may contain HIV.
Did a quick Google search and found these quick HIV spot tests from [url]http://aids. About.com/od/hivtesting/a/rapidhiv.htm: [/url]
[b]OraQuick / OraQuick Advanced Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test[/b]. This type of HIV testing has been approved for use with venous blood, plasma, and [u]oral fluids[/u] for the detection of HIV-1 and HIV-2. The test consists of a small test paddle. The test area on the paddle is impregnated with HIV-1 and HIV-2 proteins. The test specimen (blood, plasma, or oral fluid) is applied to the paddle (in the case of oral fluid the paddle is swabbed in the inside of the mouth) and placed in developer solution. If the specimen contains HIV, it binds with the impregnated proteins on the HIV testing paddle causing in a red line to appear. Red lines appearing in the test area and control area of the paddle indicates a positive test. All positive tests require a confirmatory blood test. The rapid test should be read no sooner than 20 minutes and no later than 40 minutes after the sample is placed in the developing solution.
[b]Uni-Gold Recombigen HIV-1 Test[/b]. This hiv testing has been approved for us with whole blood, plasma, or serum from a venipuncture or [u]finger stick[/u]. It consists of a rectangular cartridge with a test area, a control area, and a specimen well. The specimen is applied into the specimen well and allowed to absorb, tracking along the test strip past the control and test areas. As is true in the first two tests we've discussed, any HIV in the specimen binds to the proteins in the test area, causing a red line to appear. A test is considered positive if a red line appears in both the test area and the control area. A sample is considered adequate if the specimen well is red in color. Like all rapid tests if the test is positive a confirmatory test is required.
I have no idea where to obtain any of these tests, but should they be cheap, it's worthwhile to bring along for the less healthy areas/women.
"HSV 1 Genital After HSV 1 Oral"
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D.
Mar 26, 2010
It is true that having HSV of either type makes one immune, or at least highly resistant, to a new HSV infection with the same type, anywhere on the body. Therefore, your postive HSV-1 blood test and presumed oral herpes means you're never going to get genital HSV-1 [from your girlfriend who has genital HSV-1]. . . . It is true that an increasing proportion of genital herpes in recent years is due to HSV-1, largely the result of rising frequencies of oral sex. But with few if any exceptions, those catching genital HSV-1 are believed to be among the 50+% of the population without prior oral HSV-1. . . . there is another reason genital to genital HSV-1 transmission is uncommon. Both recurrent outbreaks and asymptomatic shedding are uncommon in genital HSV-1 -- so the odds are good your genital area will never be exposed to the virus, even with frequent unprotected sex [with your girlfriend who has genital HSV-1]. . . . In summary, for several reasons you can be confident you'll never catch your partner's (or anyone's) HSV-1 infection.
[url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/HSV-1-Genital-After-HSV-1-Oral/show/1204872[/url]
---------------
"The Truth About HSV1, HSV2, and Oral Sex"
by Charlotte Grayson, M.D.
Wednesday, February 28, 2007
. . .
[Q]You have genital HSV-1 and your partner has genital HSV-2 and you have unprotected sex.
[A]There is a small risk that you will get HSV-2. However, it’s not very likely that your partner will get genital HSV-1. It’s rare for a person with genital HSV-2 to get HSV-1.
[Q]Your partner has genital HSV-2 and you perform oral sex on him or her. Will you get oral HSV-2?
[A]Not likely. Almost 100% of HSV-2 infection is genital. Part of the reason is that most people have oral HSV-1 - providing some immunity against infection against HSV-2.
[url]http://www.healthcentral.com/genital-herpes/c/86/6903/hsv1-oral-sex[/url]
---------------
[b]SURVEY
(1) If you or someone you know face-to-face acquired [u]genital[/u] HSV-[u]1[/u] despite a prior [u]oral[/u] HSV-[u]1[/u] infection, (disproving the statement, above, that "your postive HSV-1 blood test and presumed oral herpes means you're never going to get genital HSV-1"), please post a report or PM me.
(2) If you or someone you know face-to-face acquired genital HSV-[u]1[/u] despite a prior diagnosis of genital HSV-[u]2[/u] (despite the above statement that "It’s rare for a person with genital HSV-2 to get HSV-1"), please post a report or PM me.
(3) If you or someone you know face-to-face acquired [u]oral[/u] HSV-2 (despite the statement, above, that "Almost 100% of HSV-2 infection is [u]genital[/u]"), please post a report or PM me.
(4) If you or someone you know face-to-face acquired HSV-2 despite a prior diagnosis of HSV-1 (despite the above statement that having HSV-1 provides "some immunity against" HSV-2), please post a report or PM me.
(5) If you or someone you know face-to-face acquired genital HSV-1 from vaginal intercourse from someone with whom they did not also have oral sex ( contrary to the above statement that "recurrent outbreaks and asymptomatic shedding are uncommon in genital HSV-1"), please post a report or PM me.[/b]
[QUOTE=Johnny Maldiva]
I have no idea where to obtain any of these tests, but should they be cheap, it's worthwhile to bring along for the less healthy areas/women.[/QUOTE]
I did a little web search and learned that the OraQuick HIV test is not sold over-the-counter and is not available for home use. Its restricted for use by trained persons. The test uses oral fluids (technically not quite the same as saliva), not blood, and to me it seems impressively reliable (see link below).
I imagine you'd need to get some training and find some sort of inside source in order to "bring it along" on your travels. It does seem to be a fairly easy test to administer (you just swab a little paddle over the subject's gums) so I think these barriers are not technical in nature... probably the reliability of the test would be far worse if it were used in a home setting by untrained persons.
But I'd think the situation might be socially awkward if you try to swab a little paddle across a gals gums... especially if you have language barriers to deal with. [Maybe you could convince her its a form of foreplay and the paddle is a sex toy. :-)]
[url]http://www.livestrong.com/article/13943-hiv-rapid-test-oraquick/[/url]
Long time lurker, first time poster.
Catching anything freaks me out. Has anyone caught something even with a condom?
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]I did a little web search and learned that the OraQuick HIV test is not sold over-the-counter and is not available for home use. Its restricted for use by trained persons. The test uses oral fluids (technically not quite the same as saliva), not blood, and to me it seems impressively reliable (see link below).
I imagine you'd need to get some training and find some sort of inside source in order to "bring it along" on your travels. It does seem to be a fairly easy test to administer (you just swab a little paddle over the subject's gums) so I think these barriers are not technical in nature... probably the reliability of the test would be far worse if it were used in a home setting by untrained persons.
But I'd think the situation might be socially awkward if you try to swab a little paddle across a gals gums... especially if you have language barriers to deal with. [Maybe you could convince her its a form of foreplay and the paddle is a sex toy. :-)]
[url]http://www.livestrong.com/article/13943-hiv-rapid-test-oraquick/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link, Yankee. Good points all round but I'm beginning to doubt the reliability or an oral fluid vs. blood test. The blood test seems to be the way to go. The wait time is 40 minutes for both samples to be tested but it just seems much safer.
Did some searching and found this link that answers some questions about home testing. Seems it's in consideration: [url]http://www.thebody.com/content/art13901.html[/url]
[i]With a test kit, you take your own sample, test the sample, and read your own result. [b]There are currently no home-use test kits approved for the detection of any infectious agent.[/b] With a collection kit, you take your own sample, mail it to a laboratory, and get your result over the phone or in the mail. There is currently one FDA approved home-use collection kit on the market for HIV testing.[/i]
The kit they refer to above is called Home Access and you can get your results within 24 hrs after sending the collection kit off to a lab.
The US Government CDC site, they don't recommend Cipro for Gonorrhea. They recommend, Cefixime, (which you can buy in Dom Rep).
From the CDC website:
"Several antibiotics can successfully cure gonorrhea in adolescents and adults. However, drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea are increasing in many areas of the world, including the United States, and successful treatment of gonorrhea is becoming more difficult. Because many people with gonorrhea also have chlamydia, another STD, antibiotics for both infections are usually given together. Persons with gonorrhea should be tested for other STDs."
and:
"The only current CDC-recommended options for treating Neisseria gonorrhoeae infections are from a single class of antibiotics, the cephalosporins. Within this class, ceftriaxone, available only as an injection, is the recommended treatment for all types of gonorrhea infections (i.e., urogenital, rectal, and pharyngeal). The only oral agent recommended currently by CDC for treatment of uncomplicated urogenital or rectal gonorrhea is a single dose of cefixime 400 mg (1). Availability of cefixime had been limited since July 2002, when Wyeth Pharmaceuticals (Collegeville, Pennsylvania) discontinued manufacturing cefixime tablets in the United States (2). Beginning in April 2008, cefixime (Suprax®) 400 mg tablets are again available in the United States."
"Oral cefixime is now being provided by Lupin Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (Baltimore, Maryland), which received Food and Drug Administration approval in February 2004 to manufacture and market cefixime. Lupin has been manufacturing and marketing cefixime oral suspension (100 mg/5 mL) since February 2004 and cefixime oral suspension (200 mg/5 mL) since April 2007. Public health pricing will be available for the 400 mg cefixime tablets."
For Chlamydia, usually Doxycycline, 200mg for 10-15 days.
Antibiotics can be easily purchased without a prescription at pharmacies in Dom Rep.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmw..._cid=mm5716a5_e[/url]
I use the KY brand massage oil and lubricant (works as a massage oil and a lubricant) and it says on the box it is safe to use with latex condoms. Many oils and lotions are not recommended to be used with condoms.
Well, I've managed to find a website that sells home test kits for HIV 1/2 and other infectious diseases. The prices are a little steep and it appears as if they only distribute to America and Canada (awaiting confirmation), but the products appear to be the same as those used in clinical settings. PM me for the link.
I am not a health professional. I am simply trying to gather the facts.
I welcome comments (especially those referencing a reliable source) on what I've gathered below.
There is an excellent and authoritative summary table of risks from various sexual activities at [url]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]
THE BOTTOM LINE (as best I can decipher, from my reading):
Gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, and human papilloma virus (HPV) can be transmitted in both directions by unprotected fellatio. Facials can infect the eyes with gonorrhea or syphilis. Cunnilingus is very unlikely to transmit anything in either direction (except when there are open sores, e.g. syphilis or herpes, but half of us have herpes anyway). Kissing, even with lots of deep tongue, is extremely unlikely to transmit anything, even if one person has pharyngeal gonorrhea. Finger fucking is safe (assuming no cuts or open sores). Inserting the penis into the vagina or anus (without a condom) can transmit all STD's including HIV, the anus being much more risky. Even with a condom, anal/vaginal intercourse is not risk free, although the risk is tiny. All of the above are less safe or unsafe if either partner is bleeding or has sores or recent cuts or wounds.
[A few basic facts vis a vis the above: Gonorrhea and syphilis are bacterial infections that are usually cured by antibiotics. Chlamydia is also antibiotic curable but often goes undetected. HPV and HIV are virus infections that are not curable. Anti-HIV medications, given early enough to HIV+ people, extend lifespan and postpone the development of AIDS.]
Opinion: I used to think it was a bad thing for sex workers to give BBBJ (uncovered fellatio). Now I conclude that it is not so bad for the sex workers, given that the main risk is a treatable bacterial infection (gonorrhea or syphilis) as long as they get tested regularly and treated when infected. Since I really*really don't want to bring anything home, I've decided to always cover for fellatio. I'm happy to learn that deep kissing and cunnilingus are relatively safe as long as there are no obvious open sores. I have on occasion cut open a condom to make a barrier for use in cunnilingus. From now on I don't think it is necessary, unless you have a cut or sore in your mouth or on your lips. Of course if you have a sore throat or cold sore, I would avoid kissing anyone until you're well again.
MORE DETAILS WITH SOURCES
Licking the anus (rimming) has never been known to transmit HIV. However, it can transmit a variety of nasty diseases unless the person being rimmed has washed very thoroughly beforehand. Licking or sucking objects that have penetrated the anus is very unsafe -- don't do it! [url]http://www.sfcityclinic.org/drk/oralsex5.asp[/url]
People with multiple sex partners should get vaccinated for Hepatitis A and B, both of which are serious and uncurable and can occasionally be transmitted by sex. There is no vaccine or cure for Hepatitis C (which is very serious) but recent studies found that it is almost never transmitted by unprotected sex -- it is transmitted by blood or sharing needles.
A study of 301 female sex workers in Israel in 2001 found that 9% had pharyngeal gonorrhea. None had sore throats. "In two thirds of the cases, oral sex (fellatio) was the most probable route of acquiring the disease. Because there is a general misperception that STIs cannot be transmitted by oral sex, these individuals either engaged in unprotected oral sex solely or had unprotected oral sex followed by protected vaginal intercourse. A similar observation was reported from Japan, where cases of gonococcal urethritis [in male clients] acquired by oral sex with new, expanding types of sex workers who offer only nonvaginal, usually unprotected sex." [url]http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2006/08000/Pharyngeal_Gonorrhea_in_Female_Sex_Workers_.10.aspx[/url]
More on oral sex: [url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Oral-Transmission-of-Gonorrhea/show/360541[/url] [url]http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm[/url] [url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/female-received-oral-sex-and-is-concerned-about-stds/show/1028292[/url] [url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/cunnilingus-on-CSW/show/951678[/url] [url]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Can-oral-sex-pass-STD/show/694435[/url]
A study of 320 prostitutes in London for 675 person-years found Baseline prevalence: HIV 1.3%, hepatitis C 6.7%, hepatitis B 6.6%, syphilis 2.3%, HTLV-I/II 0.4%, gonorrhoea 3.0%, chlamydia 8.2%, genital herpes 16.8%. Incidence (per 100 person years): HIV 0.2, hepatitis C 0.3, gonorrhoea 5.6, chlamydia 12.6, genital herpes 6.5. Bacterial infections were mostly acquired not from clients but from boyfriends. "This study shows that it is possible to have a larger number of sexual partners and remain free from sexually transmitted infections provided that condoms are used consistently." Most but not all in the study remained free of STD's. (Item #41 at [url]http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:33093[/url]).
Syphilis: >14% (>33% in another study) of cases came from unprotected fellatio. These may be underestimates b/c most people having oral sex also have vaginal/anal sex, and these percentages are for those whose only risk factor was oral sex. Syphilis can often be asymptomatic, so carriers don't know that they have it. Untreated Syphilis is very serious. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5341a2.htm[/url]
Gonorrhea can infect the mouth or throat (pharyngeal gonorrhea), as well as the genitals, anus, and eyes (so even facials are dangerous). Often gonorrhea is asymptomatic, so people don't know they have it. It is easy to treat when diagnosed. If left untreated, it can lead to serious health problems including infertility. Infection with gonorrhea increases susceptibility to HIV infection. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/Gonorrhea/the-facts/default.htm[/url]
Even with a condom, there is a low rate of HIV transmission. The rate with a condom is highest for receptive anal sex. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/treatment/PIC/pdf/chart.pdf[/url]
HIV infected people who are taking anti-HIV medicines have low amounts of virus, but can still infect others. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/treatment/PIC/pdf/brochure.pdf[/url] However studies have shown that the rate of transmission is much lower when the infected person is being properly medicated.
Chlamydia is the most prevalent STD, and can be transmitted by fellatio. It is usually asymptomatic, so people don't know that they have it. 40% of women with untreated chlamydia may get pelvic inflammatory disease, which can lead to chronic pelvic pain, infertility, and potentially fatal ectopic pregnancy (pregnancy outside the uterus). Women infected with chlamydia are up to five times more likely to become infected with HIV, if exposed. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/Chlamydia/STDFact-Chlamydia.htm[/url]
You can get genital herpes and human papilloma virus (HPV, may cause cancer) from oral sex, or contact of your genitals with secretions from an infected person ("massage, privates to privates"). The Gardasil vaccine protects against infection with HPV, and against cancer from such infection. [url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/the-facts/default.htm[/url] [url]http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm[/url]
Gonorrhea is becoming resistant to the antibiotics used to treat it. This is a very good reason for sex workers and clients to use condoms during fellatio.
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/03/30/gonorrhea-antibiotic-resistant-superbug.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Gentleman17]Cunnilingus is very unlikely to transmit anything in either direction (except when there are open sores, e.g. syphilis or herpes, but half of us have herpes anyway).[/QUOTE]
Genital herpes is a life-long, often debilitating, infection that really shouldn't be treated so lightly. And it can be transmitted even where there are no visible symptoms. [url]http://www.herpesonline.org/hsv1vs2.html[/url]
[QUOTE]I used to think it was a bad thing for sex workers to give BBBJ (uncovered fellatio). Now I conclude that it is not so bad for the sex workers, given that the main risk is a treatable bacterial infection (gonorrhea or syphilis) as long as they get tested regularly and treated when infected.[/QUOTE]
Sounds fair in theory, but it doesn't work that way in practice.
a) Overuse of antibiotics leads to drug-resistance. Drug treatment should always be viewed as an undesirable consequence, never a frontline defence.
b) Regular testing, while certainly important, is a case of closing the gate once the horse has bolted. The idea of sex workers being 'medically monitored' gives clients a false sense of security, but in reality it is completely useless in terms of risk prevention within the sex industry. Even if a sex worker was tested EVERY DAY: when you factor in STI gestation periods, waiting times for results and the number of clients she sees per day, it becomes glaringly obvious that a 'clean' medical certificate is not worth the paper it's printed on. As for regular testing being instrumental in sex worker health, it really only limits the potential for long-term effects of STIs (such as infertility, PID, etc). The simple fact is...for BBBJ to be free of risk for female sex workers, it's the CLIENTS who need to be tested regularly, not the hookers!
c) Sex workers, by definition, earn their living from sex. When a person is told they have an STI, they will be asked to abstain from sex until the infection is cleared, but you simply can't do that if sex is your livelihood. Taking time off to heal is a luxury that most sex workers cannot afford. It's not like they get sick pay or worker's compensation! While many sex workers will choose to provide safe alternative services during treatment (eg. hand relief), many others are not in a position to do so - which can lead to a never-ending cycle of transmission and re-infection. People are always quick to condemn sex workers who work while infected, and most countries have laws criminalising that behaviour, but nobody seems to realise that this is their JOB and without it, their bills don't get paid. I'm sure most sex workers don't want to intentionally hurt anyone, but when it comes to the crunch, what do you think is most important to the average hooker...protecting their clients or feeding their children? "Getting tested and treated" may sound like an easy and painless solution for sex workers, but I can assure you, it's not.
Sorry if this sounds like I'm attacking your post. That wasn't my intention. I just wanted to give you a sex worker perspective. Good on you for caring enough to do the research and post it here for the benefit of your fellow mongers.
Copy from teh Ethiopian page as its a health issue
Quote WASTER99:
You're killing your stomach, 100 mg doxycyklin for 6-7 day is more than enough for Clamydia and 1 pill of Ciproxcin 200 mg is enough for Ghonnorrea (missspeld?)
John Auro:
doxicycline for malaria even for 2 months /Norfloxacin dangerous
Sorry, u r wrong,
doxicycline is recommended as a propylaxe for malaria, 100mg/day even for one or 2 months, so taking it for 15 days is just peanuts....
Also i don't feel the tablets disturbing my stomac at all, the doxcy. are very very salubrious for me...
john
--
However the NORFLOXACIN which you wrote in your earlier report nearly killed my head (makes you dizzy and uncomfortable if taken several times per year over years...), i estimate it very dangerous....
-----------------------
QUOTE WASTER99:
2) I start everyday with a profylactic antibiotic called Norfloxacin 400 mg (Lexinor brandname sometimes), Norfloxacin killes fast growing bacterias in the stomach, urinal tract and gives you a far better chance to withstand any problems
WASTER99
[QUOTE=John Auro]Copy from the Ethiopian page as its a health issue
Quote WASTER99:
You're killing your stomach, 100 mg doxycyklin for 6-7 day is more than enough for Clamydia and 1 pill of Ciproxcin 200 mg is enough for Ghonnorrea (missspeld?)
John Auro:
Doxicycline for malaria even for 2 months /Norfloxacin dangerous
Sorry, you are wrong,
Doxicycline is recommended as a propylaxe for malaria, 100mg/day even for one or 2 months, so taking it for 15 days is just peanuts.
Also I don't feel the tablets disturbing my stomac at all, the doxcy. Are very very salubrious for me.
John
However the NORFLOXACIN which you wrote in your earlier report nearly killed my head (makes you dizzy and uncomfortable if taken several times per year over years.), I estimate it very dangerous.
[QUOTE]WASTER99:
2) I start everyday with a profylactic antibiotic called Norfloxacin 400 mg (Lexinor brandname sometimes), Norfloxacin killes fast growing bacterias in the stomach, urinal tract and gives you a far better chance to withstand any problems
WASTER99[/QUOTE]Doxycycline is a safe and easy to use broad range tetracycline antibiotic that can treat things from UTI to acne to respiratory issues. Very safe and OK to take but slow acting on some UTI's. Can combine with other Antibiotics.
Norfloxacin is a second generation Fluoroquinolone (now up to fourth generations overall) and not one that I would typically recommend but it is pretty much sold as Noroxin and used pretty much as a drug of last resort. This would not be my first recommendation to people. It has some serious adverse reactions and is not a med I'd advise people to look at if they are not under doctors care.
Doxycycline I have no issue with people looking to take to treat issues.
[blue]=============================================[/blue]
[b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the [u]Safe Sex[/u] topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue]
I was wondering if anyone could recommend a internet pharmacy or other source where I can purchase Doxycycline without a prescription. I live in the USA and need about 20 pills.
[b]Portions of China, India, Russia have the greatest reported drug resistance cases of TB in significant numbers.
Tijuana, Mexico - CDC Alert
[post=1024792] TB in TJ May 2010[/post]
Short term doggie, a position to avoid direct TB cough.
Other Link: [url]http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/Tuberculosis/[/url][/b]
OK guys I am gonna give you the correct drugs and dosages. I am an RN and remote medic finishing up my advanced nurse practicioner degree. If in doubt seek medical assistance. THIS IS A GUIDELINE ONLY....
PO= oral
BID= twice a day
STD's
Chlamydia: azithromycin 1 gm single dose or doxycycline 100mg PO BID for 7 days
Syphillis: doxycycline 100mg PO BID for 14 days
Gonorrhea: cefixime (Suprax) 400mg PO (single dose)
PID: levofloxacin (Levaquin) 500 mg PO daily + metronidazole (Flagyl) 500 mg PO BID for 14 days
Infectious Diarrhea/Travelers Diarrhea
ciprofloxacin (Cipro) 500 mg PO BID 3-5 days
Dog/Cat bite (never know when you are in some 3rd world chit hole)
Amoxicillin clavulanate (Augmentin) 875 mg PO BID x10 days
Malaria (prophylaxis)
doxycycline : 2 mg/kg day up to 100mg PO starting 1-2 days before exposure until 4 weeks after returning.
quote:
originally posted by biffa
are those doses taken as you're there as preventative measures, or only if you know you have one of the bugs listed?
those are for treatment of std's and for infectious diarrhea, the malaria is for prevention.
this is the dose/regimen for unprotected sex, it is what we give to sexual assauly/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] victims, male or female, so if you have unprotected sex and you want to take precautionary measures take this:
ceftriaxone (rocephin) 125 mg im (intramuscular) single dose/or cefixime (suprax) 400 mg po single dose + metronidazole (flagyl) 2 gm po single dose + azithromycin 1 gm po single dose/or doxycycline 100 mg po bid for 7 days
this would cover chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, trichomoniasis and possibly prevention from obtaining pid from a infected female.
hope this helps.
I've been mongering for about 10 years (i'm now 35) and lately i've been having difficulty cumming when wearing condoms. I've tried all types of condoms, big, small, thick, thin, and i just can't seem to cum with them. If I do manage to finish it is after putting on and tearing off 3-5 condoms per session. If I decide to go bareback, I finish in like 2 minutes. The whole thought of putting on a condom now almost makes my dick limp.
Have any of you had this problem? Is this a sign of aging?
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've been mongering for about 10 years (i'm now 35) and lately i've been having difficulty cumming when wearing condoms. I've tried all types of condoms, big, small, thick, thin, and i just can't seem to cum with them. If I do manage to finish it is after putting on and tearing off 3-5 condoms per session. If I decide to go bareback, I finish in like 2 minutes. The whole thought of putting on a condom now almost makes my dick limp.
Have any of you had this problem? Is this a sign of aging?[/QUOTE]
I'm only 30 and sometimes I have the same problem too. I can't believe it's age related because early-mid thirties is still pretty young. For me, I started barebacking heavily when I was in The Philippines last summer for a couple months straight, and after that I had problems going back to using condoms. It just didn't feel right wearing a condom after that. Part of the problem I think is the condoms here in Asia where I currently reside just do not fit me right. They're too tight and sometimes I can't feel anything. But I think part of it is mental, too. It's gotten to the point now where, depending on the girl, I would prefer a BBBJ over covered FS.
I guess I need to make a special trip back to Sex Prison just to stock up on condoms!
[QUOTE=Ezinho]I'm only 30 and sometimes I have the same problem too. I can't believe it's age related because early-mid thirties is still pretty young. For me, I started barebacking heavily when I was in The Philippines last summer for a couple months straight, and after that I had problems going back to using condoms. It just didn't feel right wearing a condom after that. Part of the problem I think is the condoms here in Asia where I currently reside just do not fit me right. They're too tight and sometimes I can't feel anything. But I think part of it is mental, too. It's gotten to the point now where, depenind on the girl, I would prefer a BBBJ over covered FS.
I guess I need to make a special trip back to Sex Prison just to stock up on condoms![/QUOTE]
I had the same problem until I tried "lifestyles ultra sensitive". I've been able to cum numerous times while screwing while wearing them.
I totally feel you on the bbbj over covered sex. If the oral isn't right on both ends I don't do the session.
Try these though. A few other people I gave them to liked them.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
But I think part of it is mental, too. It's gotten to the point now where, depending on the girl, I would prefer a BBBJ over covered FS.
[/QUOTE]
It is hard to use condoms after barebacking for so long. It is also part mental. I had this really hot, but inexperienced babe ride me bare. I had no idea & thought, wow, this feels really good. After 15 minutes I changed positions & realized it was bare. I poked her mish & barely lasted 2 minutes.
ok a lot of you guys are mentioning "it's hard to use condoms after first going bareback". I think this could be my prob because recently I've been doing some barebacking. This is something I never used to do before and using condoms was never a problem.
I've gone sessions with girls that have lasted up to an hour going through 10 condoms only to have the girl rip off the condom and say "just stick it in". Then I cum in less than a minute.
Maybe a bit of it is mental. I just don't want to get in the habit of barebacking pros all the time.
Any other condoms that are good?
[url]http://www.csinnovation.com.sg/ez-v-verrisafe-liquid-condom-for-female-only.html[/url]
EZ-V VerriSafe Liquid Condom (For Female Only)
When correctly applied, the female condom is effective in both preventing pregnancy and protection against STIs (Sexually Transmissible Infections). The gel can be inserted into the vagina up to eight hours before the act of intercourse.
[url]http://www.bluecrossbiotech.com/Products/P_L_01.htm[/url]
As a chemical antiseptic and physical barrier, it is designed to protect the vaginal and cervical surfaces. It can effectively kill gynecological disease pathogens such as staphylococcus aureus, Candida, coliform bacillus, and can prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
[url]http://shanghaiist.com/2005/11/22/hold_that_thoug.php[/url]
Nanometer-silver Cryptomorphic Condom
The invisible condom is said to be easy to apply, anti-bacterial and lubricating.
[url]http://www.futuramedical.com/content/products/csd_500.asp[/url]
CSD500 is a condom that incorporates an erectogenic compound to help men maintain a firmer erection during intercourse whilst wearing a condom. A pharmacological dose of Glyceryl Trinitrate gel contained within the teat of the condom will be delivered to the penis. This has been clinically proven to increase local blood flow within the penis which in turn leads to increased firmness, increased penile size and longer duration of an erection.
The product will be sold throughout Europe by Durex® in the same way as conventional condoms, classified as a Class III medical device with an ancillary medicinal substance.
Equal to 50 mg Viagra or 20 Celis?
Glyceryl Trinitrate gel patch?
[QUOTE=John Dough][url]http://www.futuramedical.com/content/products/csd_500.asp[/url]
CSD500 is a condom that incorporates an erectogenic compound to help men maintain a firmer erection during intercourse whilst wearing a condom. A pharmacological dose of Glyceryl Trinitrate gel contained within the teat of the condom will be delivered to the penis. This has been clinically proven to increase local blood flow within the penis which in turn leads to increased firmness, increased penile size and longer duration of an erection.
The product will be sold throughout Europe by Durex® in the same way as conventional condoms, classified as a Class III medical device with an ancillary medicinal substance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sound7]Equal to 50 mg Viagra or 20 Celis?
Glyceryl Trinitrate gel patch?[/QUOTE]
They didn't mention the strength. Since that post I discovered Glyceryl Trinitrate is another name for nitroglycerin, the heart medication. It also seems that topical Minoxidil works even better. See my posts under the Performance Enhancers thread.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2898[/url]
In case anyone is keeping score, I got a PET/CT scan in early May 2010 showing my cancer returned again. It showed a sizable tumor on my neck (confirmed to be cancerous by needle biopsy) at the edge of the region that was radiated in January and February 2010. It also showed two tiny indeterminate spots on my lungs; if those tiny spots turn out to be cancerous, I'm probably done for as they're difficult to treat. (In fact, my doctors gave me a very poor prognosis and all the medical staff look at me rather doe-eyed these days.) Without more treatment, I'm dead for sure; so I'm forging ahead.
Last week I had surgery to remove the tumor in my neck. The surgeons were VERY upbeat about the outcome as they think they got all the "gross" disease with clear margins. When they started the operation, they thought they probably would not be able to get it all -- just most of it. (However, since there may still be unseen microscopic disease in my neck, I'm pushing hard to get yet another round of chemo-radiation treatment next month.) If I'm lucky, this will finally eradicate all the disease that began in my tonsil and spread to my neck.
The surgeons are also happy that I seem to be healing well. They had to use the larger pectoral muscle from the left side of my chest to patch up the hole that they left in my neck after removing the tumor. The big worry in doing this was that it might not heal properly (because the surrounding neck tissue had been irradiated twice before). Thank goodness it worked! This leaves me pretty disfigured, but its giving me a chance at survival (so I'm not complaining at all).
I'm still worried about those two tiny spots (one on each lung). PET scans are notoriously unreliable (high rate of false positives, as well as high rate of false negatives) but its the best test we've got for the lungs. I hope to get another PET scan before starting chemo-radiation. If the spots are not gone, I'll probably start some long-term chemo-therapy after radiation... with the intent of treating those spots *as if* they are cancerous. I really wish they could just go inside me and cut those spots out (subsequent biopsy would determine whether they were cancerous) but the doctors keep telling me this is impossible. Maybe I'll get more opinions after the chemo-radiation next month.
So this is what HPV-induced tonsil cancer is like, in case anyone was wondering.
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]I guess few guys here bother to read earlier posts.
While its true that certain variants of HPV cause genital warts, the more worrisome thing is that certain variants of HPV cause cancer. I know, I just finished a year of treatment for Tonsil Cancer caused by HPV version 16.
As a brief synopsis, I was diagnosed in March 2009. Underwent a tonsillectomy (for diagnostic purposes) then 9 weeks of chemo starting late April 2009. In July 2009, I started 7 weeks of a combined chemo-radiation therapy, which was intended to be definitive. But I still had a lump in my neck, so I underwent neck dissection surgery in December 2009 and they found more active cancer. Consequently, I underwent another 6 weeks of combined chemo-radiation therapy starting early January 2010. This (hopefully final) treatment is now complete, so all I need to do now is recover.
HPV thrives in mucosal membranes and can cause cancer in any of them: including the cervix/penis/anus and the oral/nasal/pharyngeal regions. I'm unsure whether or not HPV can live (and cause cancer) in the esophagus, stomach, or intestines.
Read my previous posts for more info:
Post 761
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=902521&postcount=761[/url]
Post 752
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879534&postcount=752[/url]
Post 749
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879044&postcount=749[/url]
Post 747
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=874476&postcount=747[/url]
Post 746
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=871923&postcount=746[/url]
Existing HPV vaccines are prophylactic (only) and so are recommended only for children, before they've had sexual activity. These vaccines only protect against selected variants of HPV (including some variants that cause cancer and some variants that cause genital warts) but they do not protect against all variants of HPV that cause cancer or genital warts.
Nearly everyone who has been sexually active has been exposed to some variant of HPV. Even if you were exposed to a variant of HPV that causes cancer (or warts), this does not mean you will get cancer (or warts). I've seen some reports saying the body can clear itself of HPV, and other reports saying that HPV can remain in the body for decades (without causing any untoward effects). Chances are that everyone reading this post has not only been exposed to HPV but is also currently carrying HPV and will pass it to others; hopefully its one of the many benign variants of HPV.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've been mongering for about 10 years (i'm now 35) and lately i've been having difficulty cumming when wearing condoms. I've tried all types of condoms, big, small, thick, thin, and i just can't seem to cum with them. If I do manage to finish it is after putting on and tearing off 3-5 condoms per session. If I decide to go bareback, I finish in like 2 minutes. The whole thought of putting on a condom now almost makes my dick limp.
Have any of you had this problem? Is this a sign of aging?[/QUOTE]LOL. Guys, relax. There's nothing wrong with you.
Your posts about speculating whether or not you got problems with your manhood having sex with condoms made me wonder in what world you must be living. I'd almost call it common knowledge that sex with condom isn't the same as without. No need to go to mongering forum for that in particular. So, boys, relax, it's not age related. Sex with condom is a bit like taking a bath with rubber boots on. I have the same problem that with condom the whole thing gets a bit boring as the direct tactile sensation of a warm wet pussy is missing. BTW, the rubbing of condom instead of skin inside a vagina doesn't feel so great for women either. But mankind had been punished by putting all kinds of STDs into this world to spoil it for us (Pandora, why oh why did you open that box. *LOL*) I've gone bareback on rare occasions to only curse myself afterwards for my stupidity. However, if you are turned on, it's hard to resist indeed. It just feels much better. As for cuming with condom; almost never possible for me. However, a good BBBJ as a warmup followed by shagging with condom does the trick. But even then it's hard work plus the annoying interruption and fumbling to get that damn thing on sometimes kills it and my little man just goes to sleep. Bugger. LOL
Anecdote: years ago in Bangkok had a massage girl come to my hotel. Not a hotty, pretty average. But she did a good massage. As she went on massaging me I got turned on and she got into it too. After the back was done she turned me around and massaged my little man, hand job, then BBBJ. I was got really horny then that I got up, put her on her back and put 'my happy tom' into her wet pussy. Man, it felt so good The devil in me said to pound her to completion, the voice of reason not to. Well, I listened to the voice of reason and pulled out for mine and her sake and we settled for happy completion by HJ. Nice but just not as good as 'the real thing' of course.
of those members who prefer barebacking, do any of you have experience with barrier creams or antimicrobial lubricants?
[url]http://www.amaricream.com/[/url]
amari™ cream can help protect your skin from many common sexually transmitted viruses including herpes simplex ii, human papilloma virus and human immunodeficiency virus.
[url]http://www.skinfriendly.com/health.html[/url]
skin protect actively repels [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url], saliva and digestive fluids. it is an effective defense against blood borne pathogens.
[url]http://microbecidegel.com/[/url]
microbecide® gel is a natural, water-based, non-staining, safe, smooth, lubricating gel that kills the human immunodeficiency virus (hiv)
[url]http://www.freedom-from-herpes.com/index.htm[/url]
fix-it antiviral herpes treatment penetrates deep into the dermis and inactivates the herpes virus within human cells.
[url]http://www.secretofthieves.com/[/url]
thieves oil offers a safe and powerful multi-prong approach in the battle against germs—bacteria, fungi, or viruses.
[url]http://dermaguard.com.au/skin_care_protection_health.htm[/url]
derma guard helps protect against resins, glues, caustic sodas, petrol, diesel, paraffin, copy toner, industrial disinfectants, most inks, lacquers, synthetic soaps, fibreglass, washing sodas, epoxies and most solvants.
[QUOTE=John Dough]Of those members who prefer barebacking, do any of you have experience with barrier creams or antimicrobial lubricants?[/QUOTE]
There are no REAL microbicides on the market at this point. Any product claiming to be a microbicide is nothing but a shameless, and very dangerous, fake. [url]http://www.global-campaign.org/about_microbicides.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]In case anyone is keeping score....[/QUOTE]
I am. I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story and wish you the very, VERY best of luck with your ongoing treatment. My thoughts are with you. x
The safest sexual act you can perform sans contraceptives is:
A) handjob
B) bukkake (provided you are disease free)
C) footjob (personal favourite)
In all these acts, you can enjoy yourself without fear of getting a STD or pregnancy.
My 0. 2 cents
I've been mongering on and off for some some time in Asia, nothing extreme.
I always used a condom for penetrative vaginal sex & sometimes get BBBJ.
I never kiss or DATY.
I got tested for HIV and STDs about 2 years ago (NEGATIVE).
Now I'll have to take this medical exam for HIV and Hepatitis A, B and C in a few months and I'm a bit worried about the Hepatitis tests because I hear it is easy to get compared to HIV.
My question is, what STD's are possible to transmit from a girl giving you BBBJ?
Is herpes what I should be worried about or other STDs as well?
I don't have any symptoms.
(Actually, even 2 years ago when I get tested, I did not have any symptoms.)
-Tek
[QUOTE=Tequila Kid]I got tested for HIV and STDs about 2 years ago (NEGATIVE). Now I'll have to take this medical exam for HIV and Hepatitis A, B and C in a few months and I'm a bit worried about the Hepatitis tests because I hear it is easy to get compared to HIV.
My question is, what STD's are possible to transmit from a girl giving you BBBJ?[/QUOTE]
BBBJ is a relatively safe activity for men (it's less safe for the woman involved). Your main risk would be herpes and maybe gonorrhoea. Gonorrhoea can be caught in the throat and transmitted through oral sex.
If you always use condoms for penetrative sex, your risk of HIV is basically non-existent and unless you've shared injecting equipment, your risk of Hepatitis C is even lower. Hep C is a blood-borne virus and is highly unlikely to be transmitted sexually.
Hep A can be transmitted by water, food, even unwashed hands, so you're just as likely to catch it sharing cups in your office as you are from a BBBJ. You would probably have physical symptoms shortly after contracting it.
Hep B is transmitted by body fluids and can be caught from sexual activity but, again, the woman is at more risk than the man when it comes to BBBJs. Hep B can make you quite sick, but it's possible to have it without any symptoms. I'd say it's unlikely you would catch Hep B from a BBBJ.
(As usual, a disclaimer that I'm a sexual health educator, NOT a nurse. If you have real concerns, you should talk to your doctor).
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]BBBJ is a relatively safe activity for men (it's less safe for the woman involved). Your main risk would be herpes .....
(As usual, a disclaimer that I'm a sexual health educator, NOT a nurse. If you have real concerns, you should talk to your doctor).[/QUOTE]
Ruber Nursey,
Thanks & related question;
My regular partner gets urinary tract infections from time to time. Not so uncommon in women, but I wonder if my extracurriculars' would trigger a UTI?
Again, I have no symptoms, I use condom for all penetrative sex but not when receiving oral sex.
Thanks again,
-TK
[QUOTE=Tequila Kid]Thanks & related question;
My regular partner gets urinary tract infections from time to time. Not so uncommon in women, but I wonder if my extracurriculars' would trigger a UTI?[/QUOTE]
You're welcome! Like you said, UTIs are really common in women and it could be caused by a million different things. I'd say it's pretty unlikely that your activities would be responsible.
That said, it's *possible* that BBBJs could lead to something like gonorrhoea, which you could then take home to your partner. Gonorrhoea often doesn't show symptoms in men, and almost never produces symptoms in women. If your partner believes you are being faithful to her, she won't think to ask her doctor for STI testing and something like gonorrhoea, chlamydia, or herpes could go undiagnosed for years.
I doubt you've put her at too much risk, but now might be a good time to think about whether the joy of BBBJs is worth the pain of infecting your partner and having to explain how it happened! I know you're being careful, so the risk is pretty small, but it's always a possibility. I'm not trying to be preachy - the decision is totally up to you - but as a woman, I can't help seeing things from your partner's perspective. :)
[QUOTE=Bangar Gangar]The safest sexual act you can perform sans contraceptives is:[/QUOTE]Reading & posting on ISG.
[QUOTE=Very Green]Long time lurker, first time poster.
Catching anything freaks me out. Has anyone caught something even with a condom?[/QUOTE]
No, but condoms have broken on me two times. You pull out only to see Mr Happys uncovered head say hello. The rest may be in place and appear ok. Use your own tested quality stuff. There are a lot of low performance and/or ill-fitting and/or aged condoms out there.
And then its about discipline. It can be very hard to say no to a girl who actually begs you to allow her to perform a BBBJ.
Is it that easy to catch chlamydia? every trip i went to the Philippines I caught it.
Where as my friends does not get it.
I thought here is a good place to tell my problems and get advice.
I am around 27 and have never had sex with a girl. Once I went to RLD in A'dam and there I came even before anything happens.
So I assume I have some premature ejaculation problems beside my shyness and., here is the question, what should I do, is going more to the clubs could help me? Should I use any pills before? or what?
[QUOTE=Spicii]I thought here is a good place to tell my problems and get advice.
I am around 27 and have never had sex with a girl. Once I went to RLD in A'dam and there I came even before anything happens.
So I assume I have some premature ejaculation problems beside my shyness and., here is the question, what should I do, is going more to the clubs could help me? Should I use any pills before? or what?[/QUOTE]
I suggest you drink a lot. That way, you will be a little 'dulled' and hopefully will make it to screw the bimbo. Or pop a boner pill so that you can have 3 woodies in one night. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Spicii]I thought here is a good place to tell my problems and get advice.
I am around 27 and have never had sex with a girl. Once I went to RLD in A'dam and there I came even before anything happens.
So I assume I have some premature ejaculation problems beside my shyness and., here is the question, what should I do, is going more to the clubs could help me? Should I use any pills before? or what?[/QUOTE]
Simple solution, next time you are tempted by the devil to fornicate, simply throw yourself into the nearest canal. Worked on witches!
On the plus side, you are currently practicing very safe sex!
[QUOTE=Spicii]I thought here is a good place to tell my problems and get advice.
I am around 27 and have never had sex with a girl. Once I went to RLD in A'dam and there I came even before anything happens.
So I assume I have some premature ejaculation problems beside my shyness and., here is the question, what should I do, is going more to the clubs could help me? Should I use any pills before? or what?[/QUOTE]If you have pre-ejaculation problem. I had kind of problem too but I get managed. You got to control over yourself but it is hard. I give you simple advise get a girlfriend. And practice with her if you have problem to get a girlfriend then get a decent hooker. Meet her regularly, practice with her. And if you can manage your first pop within in 10 min.
You are now over come your pre-ejaculation situation. If you don't have enough money to meet hooker regularly then meet them once in awhile but do it all night. Practice fully with her. But best thing. Is get a girlfriend.
Hi all,
this is a proposal to Jackson to ban all photos in the site that are depicting BB vaginal or anal sex. Main argument is that there are many young people here looking at this site, and maybe impressed by some members that are performing BB and maybe they will follow this stupid practice. I do not have time to go in more details but I'll try to respond if they will be any replies.
Thanks
I recall, at young age (around 17) having the same issues. Which are quite normal for anybody who does not have sex frequently enough.
My advice to you is simply practice as much as you can. If you do it often enough, you will become more resistant and gain more control.
Age also helps. You might have available between 1-3 shots in a relatively short time. So, a HJ will calm you down, and after that you will be able to last longer and enjoy it more.
If you go for pro's, as I advise you to do v. A girlfriend, choose more mature women. They have more experience and will be able to teach you a few interesting tricks. They might also arouse you a bit less, which helps in controlling a very natural man's urge. Ejaculate.
After all, one way to look at the meaning of life is:
Men ejaculate
Women have babies
Kind regards,
Arthur
[QUOTE=Jeankim]If you have pre-ejaculation problem. I had kind of problem too but I get managed. You got to control over yourself but it is hard. I give you simple advise get a girlfriend. And practice with her if you have problem to get a girlfriend then get a decent hooker. Meet her regularly, practice with her. And if you can manage your first pop within in 10 min.
You are now over come your pre-ejaculation situation. If you don't have enough money to meet hooker regularly then meet them once in awhile but do it all night. Practice fully with her. But best thing. Is get a girlfriend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I am. I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story and wish you the very, VERY best of luck with your ongoing treatment. My thoughts are with you. x[/QUOTE]
Well RN, thanks for the good wishes. Since you're keeping score, and its been over 4 months since I last posted, I thought I'd bring everyone up to date.
For background, please trace back through my last post on 6/25/10.
Post 843
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1036232&postcount=843[/url]
Following neck surgery on 6/18/10 to remove a tumor, I started experiencing headaches. Initially I just attributed them to post-surgical trauma and took more narcotics, but as my surgical wound healed the headaches got worse (and my narcotics use increased). I spent most of the summer lying on my couch in misery as I continued to lose weight (and muscle mass).
Several imaging studies (CT and MRI) were conducted. One of my chest showed that the spots on my lungs had grown from 2-3 mm to 5-6 mm, and several new smaller spots had arisen, all of which confirms that I have a metastasis to my lungs. That by itself makes me terminal, although I don't know when (and the doctors don't want to guess).
Similar imaging of my head showed nothing unusual. In early September I developed a "3rd Nerve Palsy" (meaning I could not control the movement of my right eye, due to unknown damage to the oculomotor nerve) so they did a PET/CT on 9/7/10. I called for the results the next day and was told to report immediately to the ER. It seems they thought I had a thrombosis (blood clot) in my right Cavernous Sinus (CS) and wanted to admit me as an in-patient. However, upon review by more senior staff, they decided it was not a thrombosis but some unknown growth. They sent me home with steroids and instructions to try stopping my use of narcotics.
The steroids finally relieved the headaches, but now I could only use my left eye. They also had me fiddling with lots of other drugs (in an attempt to control the headaches with lesser intervention) but I ultimately came to use the powerful steroid Dexamethasone exclusively. My oncology team met and decided to offer radiation treatment to my CS; this would be my 3rd round of radiation, albeit to a new area, as I never did follow the neck surgery I had on 6/18/10 with additional radiation there.
So, having quit the narcotics (not easy, as I was mildly addicted) and switched to Dexamethasone, I underwent radiation from 9/29/10 through 11/05/10. The goal of this radiation was to kill the growth in my CS, which (hopefully) would eliminate the headaches and restore my vision. Progress toward these goals is evident, but its too soon to declare success. Headaches seem to be gone and control of my right eye has improved but I still cannot use it properly. Right now I'm trying to taper off the use of Dexamethasone.
In the interim, they've studied my tissue samples and found that my cancer is due to the mutation of a gene known as PIK3CA. (No doubt this mutation was caused by the HPV-16 virus.) This is a common mutation in many cancers, including breast cancer and non-small-cell lung cancer, so there is a large market for specialized drugs (called PIK3 inhibitors) that target this mutation. Consequently, there is much research activity to develop and test such experimental drugs. I'm now on the waiting list for an on-going Phase 1 clinical trial of a new PIK3 inhibitor. Later this month I'll get a chest CT to help determine whether/when my disease has progressed sufficiently to start such treatment; the spots on my lungs need to be at least 1 cm, or they would be too small to measure any improvement due to treatment.
In summary, I now have metastases to my lungs and CS. Plus I have a small node in my neck indicating a likely recurrence there. The CT scan later this month is likely to show 1 cm lung spots, so its likely I'll enter a clinical trial in early 2011. Maybe I'll get lucky and this novel PIK3 inhibitor will cure me, but such chances are truly remote.
So this is what HPV-induced tonsil cancer is like, in case anyone was wondering.
Watching a couple of videos from a certain paysite, I noticed a common theme on two of the girls. There were cigar-like marking on their thighs, almost like round scabs. On both girls, they were the same size.
Now, this sparked my attention not only becuase it looked unnatural and was on both girls in the same spot, but also because there was a girl in one of the other forums (I want to say Thailand) that had these markings. I believe she was called Nan and had been around the game a long time - everyone knew her.
Question is - what are they? What's it caused by and is it spreadable to the monger? This guy Rico fucks the girls without condoms... I'm surprised he hasn't caught anything yet. Only a matter of time.
Below are stills from two movies of two different girls.
[quote=spicii]i thought here is a good place to tell my problems and get advice.
i am around 27 and have never had sex with a girl. once i went to rld in a'dam and there i came even before anything happens.
so i assume i have some premature ejaculation problems beside my shyness and., here is the question, what should i do, is going more to the clubs could help me? should i use any pills before? or what?[/quote]
i would recommend trying natural solutions before resorting to chemical ones. are you a nervous person? do you think about sex alot and are almost consumed by it? if yes, then it could be that you have sex addiction, even though you've never had sex before. trust me, it can happen.
try going to a counsellor or meeting with a sex addiction group. if sex addiction isn't the issue, then try seeing a sex therapist. they should be able to handle your problem better and provide natural solutions that you can try at home (or with the girl.) don't worry, there's alot of people in the same boat.
[QUOTE=Lifeingr]Hi all,
this is a proposal to Jackson to ban all photos in the site that are depicting BB vaginal or anal sex. Main argument is that there are many young people here looking at this site, and maybe impressed by some members that are performing BB and maybe they will follow this stupid practice. I do not have time to go in more details but I'll try to respond if they will be any replies.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
This is a proposal to Jackson to ban all members who put forth such ridiculous proposals.
[QUOTE=Johnny Maldiva]Watching a couple of videos from a certain paysite, I noticed a common theme on two of the girls. There were cigar-like marking on their thighs, almost like round scabs. On both girls, they were the same size.
Now, this sparked my attention not only becuase it looked unnatural and was on both girls in the same spot, but also because there was a girl in one of the other forums (I want to say Thailand) that had these markings. I believe she was called Nan and had been around the game a long time - everyone knew her.
Question is - what are they? What's it caused by and is it spreadable to the monger? This guy Rico fucks the girls without condoms... I'm surprised he hasn't caught anything yet. Only a matter of time.
Below are stills from two movies of two different girls.[/QUOTE]
It certainly looks like boils or pressure marks. No Std present this kind of symptoms away from private parts. If this was a skin deiseace it would been widespread in all areas. You see these kind of things in many girls from mosquito bites to boils. Sometimes it is from the unhygienic conditions they live.
[Quote]Question is. What are they? What's it caused by and is it spreadable to the monger? This guy Rico fucks the girls without condoms. I'm surprised he hasn't caught anything yet. Only a matter of time.[/QUOTE]In my part of the world (Costa Rica) there is in the countryside a biting insect that leave a painful and bothersome mark on you. You WILL scratch this I assure you for some two weeks at least. And the results will be a permanent mark on your skin which looks like shown in the pictures.
This insect prefers all and any of the skin regions normally covered by underpants but exposed when you need to accomodate nature.
Mellow
[QUOTE=Sammon]It certainly looks like boils or pressure marks. No Std present this kind of symptoms away from private parts. If this was a skin deiseace it would been widespread in all areas. You see these kind of things in many girls from mosquito bites to boils. Sometimes it is from the unhygienic conditions they live.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Sammon.
From the little reading I've done, there are a number of different things it could be, but none of them appear to be very dangerous.
[QUOTE=Yankee 617]Well RN, thanks for the good wishes. Since you're keeping score, and its been over 4 months since I last posted, I thought I'd bring everyone up to date.
For background, please trace back through my last post on 6/25/10.
Post 843
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1036232&postcount=843[/url]
Following neck surgery on 6/18/10 to remove a tumor, I started experiencing headaches. Initially I just attributed them to post-surgical trauma and took more narcotics, but as my surgical wound healed the headaches got worse (and my narcotics use increased). I spent most of the summer lying on my couch in misery as I continued to lose weight (and muscle mass).
Several imaging studies (CT and MRI) were conducted. One of my chest showed that the spots on my lungs had grown from 2-3 mm to 5-6 mm, and several new smaller spots had arisen, all of which confirms that I have a metastasis to my lungs. That by itself makes me terminal, although I don't know when (and the doctors don't want to guess).
Similar imaging of my head showed nothing unusual. In early September I developed a "3rd Nerve Palsy" (meaning I could not control the movement of my right eye, due to unknown damage to the oculomotor nerve) so they did a PET/CT on 9/7/10. I called for the results the next day and was told to report immediately to the ER. It seems they thought I had a thrombosis (blood clot) in my right Cavernous Sinus (CS) and wanted to admit me as an in-patient. However, upon review by more senior staff, they decided it was not a thrombosis but some unknown growth. They sent me home with steroids and instructions to try stopping my use of narcotics.
The steroids finally relieved the headaches, but now I could only use my left eye. They also had me fiddling with lots of other drugs (in an attempt to control the headaches with lesser intervention) but I ultimately came to use the powerful steroid Dexamethasone exclusively. My oncology team met and decided to offer radiation treatment to my CS; this would be my 3rd round of radiation, albeit to a new area, as I never did follow the neck surgery I had on 6/18/10 with additional radiation there.
So, having quit the narcotics (not easy, as I was mildly addicted) and switched to Dexamethasone, I underwent radiation from 9/29/10 through 11/05/10. The goal of this radiation was to kill the growth in my CS, which (hopefully) would eliminate the headaches and restore my vision. Progress toward these goals is evident, but its too soon to declare success. Headaches seem to be gone and control of my right eye has improved but I still cannot use it properly. Right now I'm trying to taper off the use of Dexamethasone.
In the interim, they've studied my tissue samples and found that my cancer is due to the mutation of a gene known as PIK3CA. (No doubt this mutation was caused by the HPV-16 virus.) This is a common mutation in many cancers, including breast cancer and non-small-cell lung cancer, so there is a large market for specialized drugs (called PIK3 inhibitors) that target this mutation. Consequently, there is much research activity to develop and test such experimental drugs. I'm now on the waiting list for an on-going Phase 1 clinical trial of a new PIK3 inhibitor. Later this month I'll get a chest CT to help determine whether/when my disease has progressed sufficiently to start such treatment; the spots on my lungs need to be at least 1 cm, or they would be too small to measure any improvement due to treatment.
In summary, I now have metastases to my lungs and CS. Plus I have a small node in my neck indicating a likely recurrence there. The CT scan later this month is likely to show 1 cm lung spots, so its likely I'll enter a clinical trial in early 2011. Maybe I'll get lucky and this novel PIK3 inhibitor will cure me, but such chances are truly remote.
So this is what HPV-induced tonsil cancer is like, in case anyone was wondering.[/QUOTE]
wow. Thanks for your honesty and openness. I truly hope that your treatment works. Yours is a good reason to protect oneself.
[quote=david_33]this is a proposal to jackson to ban all members who put forth such ridiculous proposals.[/quote]
that's very nice argument mr. moderator! i am speechless with the hundreds of arguments you give to prove that the proposal is ridiculous.
Its so ridiculous no arguments are necessary. Why don´t you put forward your proposal to all the porn producers while you are at it? BB is a stupid practice? Why? Why don´t you check the probabilities of a circumcised healthy male contracting HIV from intercourse with a female before you make paranoiac proposals. If you want to wear a condom, that´s your prerogative. If other forum members would rather enjoy sex, that´s up to them. By the way, for someone who wants to censor the photo threads, it is interesting to note that you have never posted a photo. Maybe you would have more legitimacy if you had posted some photos of you engaging in sex with your genitilia swathed in condoms.
[QUOTE=Lifeingr]Hi all,
this is a proposal to Jackson to ban all photos in the site that are depicting BB vaginal or anal sex. Main argument is that there are many young people here looking at this site, and maybe impressed by some members that are performing BB and maybe they will follow this stupid practice. I do not have time to go in more details but I'll try to respond if they will be any replies.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=David_33]Its so ridiculous no arguments are necessary. Why don´t you put forward your proposal to all the porn producers while you are at it? BB is a stupid practice? Why? Why don´t you check the probabilities of a circumcised healthy male contracting HIV from intercourse with a female before you make paranoiac proposals. If you want to wear a condom, that´s your prerogative. If other forum members would rather enjoy sex, that´s up to them. By the way, for someone who wants to censor the photo threads, it is interesting to note that you have never posted a photo. Maybe you would have more legitimacy if you had posted some photos of you engaging in sex with your genitilia swathed in condoms.[/QUOTE]
I agree with David...one of the more stupid ideas on the forum. This is a forum about shagging basically and information on it (plus bits on hotel etc). We like condoms, we like BB and if someone wanted to wrap a banana skin on his dick and take a picture fucking a cutie I would happily see the photo
L...suggest there are 2 hopes you have of getting Jackson to agree to your dumb request...NO hope and BOB Hope (and he is dead)
Also post photos so you have more credibility ..and your FR reminds of Mark Twain's immortal phrase about stupidity (Google it)
[QUOTE=David_33]Its so ridiculous no arguments are necessary. Why don´t you put forward your proposal to all the porn producers while you are at it? BB is a stupid practice? Why? Why don´t you check the probabilities of a circumcised healthy male contracting HIV from intercourse with a female before you make paranoiac proposals. If you want to wear a condom, that´s your prerogative. If other forum members would rather enjoy sex, that´s up to them. By the way, for someone who wants to censor the photo threads, it is interesting to note that you have never posted a photo. Maybe you would have more legitimacy if you had posted some photos of you engaging in sex with your genitilia swathed in condoms.[/QUOTE]
Well, thank you for spending your time to spy my posts in the forum and review my activity in the photo threads. The probability of infection with HIV from a heterosexual non-safe is about 0.04% for female-to-male and 0.08% for male-to-female encounter BUT: 1) the probability is always there, 2) it is not only about HIV, there are other STDs with a greater probability of infection from non-safe sex.
You are saying: "If you want to wear a condom, that´s your prerogative. If other forum members would rather enjoy sex, that´s up to them.", so you mean that safe sex is not enjoyable for many others (or even you?). Fine then but this is also their/your opinion but you can not call me paranoid because I make such proposal; and one more time: it is not only about HIV it is about many other STDs.
Believe it or not members of this site can be a kind of "prototypes" for young people who are reading the Forum. Imagine a young person who is reading the messages of an experienced senior member with hundreds of posts that has fucked half the universe. And he admires hime because he (the young person) wants also to fuck the half universe. And he says "this guy is awesome, I want to do like him". And one day he finds out that this buy goes BB and he says "if this fucker of the universe is going BB then it is fine".
And you know spreading the message around that BB sex, with working girls or other women that you have just casual encounters without knowing their medical status, is fine, then you end up with more people infected with STDs. It is so simple but you don't want to understand it or you just want to find excuses for your behavior.
I do not publish photos because I don't take photos when I have sex.
[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]I agree with David...one of the more stupid ideas on the forum. This is a forum about shagging basically and information on it (plus bits on hotel etc). We like condoms, we like BB and if someone wanted to wrap a banana skin on his dick and take a picture fucking a cutie I would happily see the photo
L...suggest there are 2 hopes you have of getting Jackson to agree to your dumb request...NO hope and BOB Hope (and he is dead)
Also post photos so you have more credibility ..and your FR reminds of Mark Twain's immortal phrase about stupidity (Google it)[/QUOTE]
Sorry but from when credibility goes hand by hand with photo publishing in this Forum?
I posted my proposal in the safe-sex thread and since the forum has such a thread it means that the forum is also about safe shagging and not only about stupid dickheads that will stick their dick in every possible hole even if it is a shit hole or the mouth of a piranha.
As you can see in some of my other posts in this forum I do not reply more than once to people that call me stupid in an internet forum so I'll just ignore any further insulting message you will send to me.
Hi
I think most people agree that HIV is transmitted through unprotected sex,
The next question we must ask ourselves is,
Do i want to help reducing the risk by using a condom? or shall I try to convince myself how microscopic the risk is, because it's so damn good without condom.
BL
Dudes!
A man has been cured of being HIV positive by a stem cell transplant operation!
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40662122/ns/local_news-spokane_wa/[/url]
Its about fuckin time!
these quotes are from the pattaya thread.
[quote=trevor2522; 1097402]no problem. i have been using master mineral supplement for the past 2 years. knocks out all pathogens. also brush my teeth with it. taking the maintenance dose of 4-6 drops daily is highly protective against stds as well as being a general tonic. if required the dose can be increased until symptoms are gone. also cleans out dengue and malaria within hours. why isn't everyone using mms? because the globalist-controlled big pharma and media ignore it.
[url]www.infowars.com[/url]
do your homework and live life to the full!
[url]http://jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&itemid=21[/url]
thailand supplier.
[url]http://miraclemineral.org/suppliers.php[/url]
stds are nothing. the real challenge is finding tight girls without babies or an attitude! [/quote][quote=dinghy; 1097975]sorry to tell you this trev but "minerals" are totally ineffective against stds.
you might as well drop snake oil into / onto yourself. will work just as well. [/quote][quote=mouse1; 1097444]i drink neat bleach for breakfast, and i have never had hiv / aids. can't be a coincidence.
alternatively you could believe the fda:
on july 30th. 2010 and again on october 1, 2010, the united states food and drug administration warned against the use of the product "miracle mineral supplement" or "mms". which when made up according to instructions produces chlorine dioxide. mms has been marketed as a treatment for a variety of conditions. the fda warning told consumers that this industrial bleach can cause serious complications, including severe dehydration, nausea and diarrhea. there have been no reported deaths from use of mms; however the fda has received numerous reports of nausea, severe vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure caused by dehydration. [22] the makers of mms do state that nausea and vomiting is a sign that it is working. licensed medical professionals and toxicologists would not agree with this statement.
but they laughed at galieo, didn't they? [/quote]i tried mms twice. the first time i took 4 drops and was okay. the second time i took 8 drops and got severe nausea followed by one week of diarrhea. i guess i should have stuck with 4 drops like the first poster. perhaps there is a better alternative.
[url]http://healthyoldcodger.com/[/url]
iodine, pathogen killer extraordinaire.
as far back as 1905 iodine was recognized as a treatment for consumption / tuberculosis. even though iodine has been recognized as having the ability to kill most pathogens on the skin within 90 seconds, it has been ignored by modern medicine for all that time, does not that tell you something? going even further back to the american civil war, iodine was used extensively for treating battlefield wounds and with much success, in fact, without iodine many more soldiers from both sides would have died from wound infections, no antibiotics back then.
"iodine is by far the best antibiotic, antiviral and antiseptic of all time." dr. david derry.
[url]http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm[/url]
nascent iodine is a scientific term for iodine where the iodine molecule has the diatomic bond broken and has a high amount of electromagnetic energy associated with it.
once diluted and inside the body this atom is readily absorbed and utilized by the body. this charged atom of iodine starts a process where it gradually loses its energy over 2 to 3 hours. after the atomic iodine has made its rounds, whatever then remains and is unable to be used is excreted in the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]. the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] will turn bright yellow from the excess, similar to what happens with water-soluble b-vitamins that the body doesn't need.
"the atomic iodine is perhaps the least toxic and least irritating of all the iodine formulas available."
"iodine has many positive therapeutic actions. it is a potent anti-infective agent. no virus, bacteria or parasite has been shown to be resistant to iodine therapy," writes dr. brownstein.
this is an incredible statement but one that can easily be backed by hardcore medical science. it is the reason hospitals use iodine by the gallon and in reality the only reason hospitals are not like ground zero sites contaminated in an infectious sense is because of iodine's broad spectrum anti-infective power.
few are the doctors who have realized that iodine can be taken internally in large quantities and that it will have the same effect internally as it does on external surfaces.
there has been a lot of commotion in health circles about a product called miracle mineral supplement (mms). it is being advertised as the answer to aids, hepatitis a, b and c, malaria, herpes, tb, most cancer and many more of mankind's worst diseases.
the claim about how the chlorine (a poison, not what would be considered a mineral for health) interacts with pathogens is the same claim we can make about iodine (a safe nutritional mineral) , which is known to also kill pathogens of all types on contact.
plantar warts on the bottom of the feet can be killed by soaking them in water for a few hours. this seems to drown them. it will then take a few weeks for them to peel off and be replaced by new skin. i wonder if this would work on genital warts.
For genital warts use "Podoxin" which is 0, 5% (one-half percent) solution of "Podofilox." This stuff works. That might not be the exact spelling because the bottle is in Spanish but I think Podofilox is English so Google if need be. [b]Read the fucking directions and follow them[/b] because they are not simple. This is a tiny bottle that comes with a little baggie of Q tips. Since [b]I know you fucks won't read the directions[/b], you need to dab the Q tip right on the wart (s) twice a day for three days.
Nothing will happen and you fucks will think I am full of shit or shilling for the product, but that's because you didn't read the directions. This will take three or four weeks. Three days on, twice a day, then four days off. The second or third week the fuckers will start to get smaller, and will get hard and callous like instead of feeling like zits that won't pop. Then the next week they will just fall off, or you might have to pick them off but the skin will heal in a day if that happens.
You can't treat more than 1 square centimeter at a time, supposedly, but I found if you had two little warts, one on each side, you could treat them both at once. This product should not be used on the head of your dick and if you are unfortunate enough to get one there you got to go to the doctor immediately. You'll likely need to have it frozen and you want to do that ASAP. Any warts this Podoxin doesn't treat, you can wait a month and try another four week course (use for four weeks, wait four weeks, repeat) but if that doesn't do it you shouldn't try any more because you will lose a bit of sensitivity in the areas where you use it.
[QUOTE=Suller Joe; 1062876]No, but condoms have broken on me two times. You pull out only to see Mr Happys uncovered head say Hello. The rest may be in place and appear ok. Use your own tested quality stuff. There are a lot of low performance and / or ill-fitting and / or aged condoms out there.
And then its about discipline. It can be very hard to say no to a girl who actually begs you to allow her to perform a BBBJ. [/QUOTE]Hi, newby to the board here.
I'm a few months behind the play on this topic but the thinnest condoms I have found are Kimono made in Japan. They are available in North America usually in sex shops. They come in medium size and I think a larger size as well but not super size. Very thin, very strong because they use higher quality control measures in their manufacturing. Definitely more expensive than the thicker brands but very nice feel to them.
I always put a drop of lube on the head of my prick before putting the condom on (spit will do although its not the best) as the lube helps transmit extra sensation to my cock through the condom.
Having said all that, I have to admit nothing beats a good bareback session. And I have been fortunate to be offered this by several of my mongering regulars over the years. I'm not doing anybody bareback right now as all those regulars are retired. However, it is a criteria of mine that the lady provide me with BBBJ. No BBBJ, no go. No go, no pay for you. Goodbye (ciao, hasta luego, adieu, sayonara, etc.)
[QUOTE=ButtLover; 1100507]Hi.
I think most people agree that HIV is transmitted through unprotected sex,
The next question we must ask ourselves is,
Do I want to help reducing the risk by using a condom? Or shall I try to convince myself how microscopic the risk is, because it's so damn good without condom.
BL[/QUOTE]All statments about probability are correct as viewed from the individuals perspective. In response to the original barebackers opinion though, we need to point out infection rate does not matter with regard to bareback (with WG) being bad!
The doctors do quite correctly tell you to protect yourself no matter how low you might perceive the risk. They are NOT spreading paranoia they are NOT lieing. They are simply doing statistics.
Lets do some basic scenario analysis. Lets assume we a have an essentially uncureable disease with results in death (OK, not in the developed world anymore but HIV is still bad).
Scenario A) You have a population where infection rate is low (maybe 1/10000). If people protect themselves to the point that the disease cannot spread anymore, the problem disappears. Number of death is low. Individual risk is low. Public damage is low.
Scenario B) Same as above. You have a population where infection rate is low (maybe 1/10000). But people don't protect themselves because "The individual risk is low at a 1/10000 infection rate". In this case the disease WILL spread. Infection rate will go up. I WILL become a major risk to fuck without protection eventually. People will notice when infection rate has reached 1/100 or higher (high enough so they personally know infected people). But by now the public damage will be enourmous.
Conclusion: "The individual risk is low a 1/10000 infection rate" argument is stupid. Because its your PERSONAL risk right NOW. But you forget about the risk to society.
Conclusion: If the disease is spreading and deadly, is is ALWAYS correct for doctors to ask for protection no matter how low or high the infection rates is right now. The infection rate will become high quickly no matter how low it starts.
Hi friends, I'm newly registered and an endorsement of protected sex seems like a reasonable first post. I'm excited for my upcoming first experience with Germany's FKK scene and have been running through the different topics in that forum. The entire concept sounds incredible—it's what I always dreamed the ultimate strip club might be like. And I'll admit the couple stories I've read about barebacking really get my juices flowing. There's nothing more physically and emotionally satisfying than making love to a beautiful woman the way God always intended. The fact is procreation is and forever will be hardwired into our lizard brains.
But as tempting an experience as it may be, I always think back to my friend recounting the trials he's suffered at the hands of his HIV infection. The night I first met him at a local bar, he was on his final drink and seemed completely sloshed. Fortunately his partner, who seemed perfectly sober, was with him so I wasn't too concerned when they left. The next time I met this guy was when I was in the bar before he arrived, and he *still* seemed sloshed, so much that I figured he must have been coming from some other establishment. Over conversations from then on (we're obviously both regulars) I discovered the reason he always seems so out of it is because he's permanently doped up on meds which keep his HIV in check.
This guy's a survivor. Being a promiscuous gay man, he was infected relatively early and has been subjected to all kinds of trial studies, medications and treatments. He's been elevated to full-blown AIDS twice with doctors writing him off and has miraculously gone into remission both times. There's a lot you can learn from a guy suffering the consequences of his actions.
The risks are significantly lower for us drug-free, heterosexual men but that doesn't make us immune. Moreover, there's a whole slew of other STDs we can catch. And we can't honestly spout statistics without recognizing that this particular lifestyle puts us all in a significantly increased risk bracket. I for one will endeavor to have my wallet be the only thing adversely effected by this hobby.
The study is available online in advance of publication in the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections.
ScienceDaily (Nov. 8,2010) — A new study by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health examines the burden of HIV and sexually transmitted disease among male clients of the commercial sex industry in China's Sichuan province. Since 2007, heterosexual transmission has replaced injecting drug use as the primary transmission mode of all HIV infections in China.
"We found a large burden of syphilis infection coupled with high-risk sexual and substance use behaviors among male clients of sex workers," said Cui Yang, lead author of the study and a postdoctoral fellow with Bloomberg School's Department of Epidemiology."Without effective interventions to prevent HIV transmission to the male client population, the current epidemic may expand into the general population."
For the study, Yang and her colleagues examined the prevalence of HIV, syphilis and hepatitis C virus (HCV) in a sample of 600 male clients of female sex workers in three urban areas in Sichuan province, China. Blood test results indicated that HIV prevalence was 1. 5 percent; 5. 3 percent were positive for syphilis and 8. 7 percent positive for HCV. The overall prevalence of consistent condom use with female sex workers was 30 percent. The study also found a significant correlation between syphilis infection among male clients and not having local household registration, snorting heroin and washing genitals after having sex with a female sex worker.
"Our data raises concerns about the future heterosexual transmission of HIV to the general population in China since unprotected sex with female sex workers has become the norm," said Kenrad Nelson, MD, senior author of the study and professor in the Department of Epidemiology at the Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Authors of "HIV, syphilis, hepatitis C and risk behaviours among commercial sex male clients in Sichuan province, China" include Carl Latkin and Cunling Wang of the Bloomberg School of Public Health, and Rongsheng Luan of the West China School of Public Health at Sichuan University.
The research was funded by a grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health.
19 October 2010.
"The single greatest factor associated with the cancer is the number of partners on whom the person has performed oral sex. Individuals who had performed oral sex on six or more partners over a lifetime face an eight-fold higher risk of acquiring HPV-related head or neck cancer than those with less than six partners."
[url]http://dribrook.********.com/2010/10/new-information-about-head-and-neck_19.html[/url]
(To read full article, replace "********" in the above URL with "b l o g s p o t". No spaces.)
Also:
Oropharyngeal Cancer Epidemic and HPV
7 November 2010
[url]http://oralcancernews.org/wp/oropharyngeal-cancer-epidemic-and-human-papillomavirus/[/url]
[QUOTE=Yankee 617; 1128443]19 October 2010.
"The single greatest factor associated with the cancer is the number of partners on whom the person has performed oral sex. Individuals who had performed oral sex on six or more partners over a lifetime face an eight-fold higher risk of acquiring HPV-related head or neck cancer than those with less than six partners."
[url]http://dribrook.********.com/2010/10/new-information-about-head-and-neck_19.html[/url]
(To read full article, replace "*" in the above URL with "be l o g s p o t". No spaces.)
Also:
Oropharyngeal Cancer Epidemic and HPV.
7 November 2010.
[url]http://oralcancernews.org/wp/oropharyngeal-cancer-epidemic-and-human-papillomavirus/[/url][/QUOTE][b]Yeah, eating that pussy will give you cancer! Eating pussy is taboo in many cultures. Now we know the reason why. If you lay good pipe you wouldn't have to bow down and lick the pussy in defeat. If you're an older gentleman and your penis is getting soft then you might not have many options though. [/b]
[QUOTE=Yankee 617; 1128443]19 October 2010.
"The single greatest factor associated with the cancer is the number of partners on whom the person has performed oral sex. Individuals who had performed oral sex on six or more partners over a lifetime face an eight-fold higher risk of acquiring HPV-related head or neck cancer than those with less than six partners."[/QUOTE]I ran across this today:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/28/half-men-infected-hpv_n_829449.html[/url]
It's quite remiss in not mentioning transmission modes.
Glad to see you're still posting.
Is there an appreciable difference in the risks of a BBBJ with and without a CIM? Will STDs transmit just as easily either way? May be already answered below, but did not see it. Many thanks
[QUOTE=Customx;1128950]Is there an appreciable difference in the risks of a BBBJ with and without a CIM? Will STDs transmit just as easily either way? May be already answered below, but did not see it. Many thanks[/QUOTE]Transmission of STD's during oral sex is very rare unless if he / she has bleeding gums or cuts inside their mouths.
When it is CIM I'm not sure, I think relatively safe. Consumption of pre-cum when performing oral sex is harmless.
Sex kills!
[url]http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/23/sex-running-and-other-intense-activity-can-be-deadly/?icid=main[/url]%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl11%7Csec1_lnk3%7C207104
Do your condoms regularly break or its just mine?
Had 3 condoms break from the last 20 used. For a safety product thats a damn high failure rate.
[QUOTE=Fast Buck Artist; 1142473]Do your condoms regularly break or its just mine?
Had 3 condoms break from the last 20 used. For a safety product thats a damn high failure rate. [/QUOTE]Hi.
I have fucked with condom 500 times since my last break! But I always use Lubricate!
BL
[QUOTE=Swing King 7; 1129095]Transmission of STD's during oral sex is very rare unless if he / she has bleeding gums or cuts inside their mouths.
When it is CIM I'm not sure, I think relatively safe. Consumption of pre-cum when performing oral sex is harmless.[/QUOTE]I don't think CIM matters or not, but there is a good chance of getting gonorrhea by BBBJ. Happened me twice. First from a beer garden girl in Pattaya, second 141 hotel girl in HK. Maybe not HIV but gon, clam and Herpes risks are not that low.
[QUOTE=Kajos;1125870]The study also found a significant correlation between syphilis infection among male clients and not having local household registration, snorting heroin and washing genitals after having sex with a female sex worker.[/QUOTE]Point taken. I will stop washing my genitals after intercourse with Chinese prostitutes.
I like african women but I'm afraid of getting any STD from doing oral sex for her. I like using my hands, tongue and my fingers to stimulate her clitoris and vagina. How can have safer oral sex?
Men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
[url]http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html[/url]
Super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
Front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
Directions: Before sex: Put condom on first. Then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
After sex: Unbutton and take underwear off first. Then pull out condom.
[quote=john dough; 1149353]men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
[url]http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html[/url]
super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
directions: before sex: put condom on first. then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
after sex: unbutton and take underwear off first. then pull out condom. [/quote]the cock hole looks awfully small. it seems to be a chinese product. it's not very practical either. by the time one puts on this rubber [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] plus condom the thrill is gone!
[QUOTE=John Dough; 1149353]Men's latex penis hole underwear briefs protect against herpes and genital warts from skin to skin contact in areas not covered by condoms.
[url]http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale-10pcs-60-men-latex-shorts-penis/r-ff8080812aef2fb1012aef503a8a68e1.html[/url]
Super thin, flexible and light for added comfort.
Front hole ring will help secure condom by locking the condom`s ring.
Directions: Before sex: Put condom on first. Then wear underwear and fasten with buttons.
After sex: Unbutton and take underwear off first. Then pull out condom.[/QUOTE]Maybe a good idea for some guys but I'd rather cut my dick off than wear something like that.
I've seen but never used some of these kits that are supposed to test for HIV. Something you could buy and use yourself. Does anyone know anything about these tests? Are they accurate? Expensive? Any thoughts on brands? Availalbility?
Or are they just a phony product for foolish Asian businessmen who like to bareback as much as I do?
[QUOTE=Manizales911;1149468]Maybe a good idea for some guys but I'd rather cut my dick off than wear something like that.[/QUOTE]Damn, I couldn't agree more. I just can't imagine going through life with so much fear that you would have to wear something like that. Besides, in the USA 80 % of USA residents have oral herpes (type 1) and 25% have genital herpes (type 2). But, you can have type 1 in the genital area, and vice versa.
If I ever get so fucking up tight that I have to wear rubber briefs with a hole for my condom covered dick before I had sex, please, please, someone just shoot me.
Only good energy!
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname; 1150065]I've seen but never used some of these kits that are supposed to test for HIV. Something you could buy and use yourself. Does anyone know anything about these tests? Are they accurate? Expensive? Any thoughts on brands? Availalbility?
Or are they just a phony product for foolish Asian businessmen who like to bareback as much as I do? [/QUOTE]Those HIV test kits have been around for a few years.
You just have to trust the Filipinos that they doing everything correctly per manufactor of the test kits.
Google "HIV Fast Test" for more info.
These condoms have a skirt at the base to cover the pubic area, providing protection from herpes and genital warts.
[url]http://dayotahealthcare.en.nobodybuy.com/pid1289363/protection-condom-morecare-condom.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.supplierlist.com/product_view/oemcondom/223174/101114/Protection_Condom_Morecare_Condom__www_dahuilatex_.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1150126]Those HIV test kits have been around for a few years.
You just have to trust the Filipinos that they doing everything correctly per manufactor of the test kits.
Google "HIV Fast Test" for more info. [/QUOTE]Okay. I did that. The news articles I found said that the fast tests are only available in certain approved clinics and not being sold over the counter. But if I look up fast test kits. I find many restults for companies claiming to sell the fast test for home use. Are the kits that you can buy and use yourself legitimate? Anybody know?
[QUOTE=John Dough;1150331]These condoms have a skirt at the base to cover the pubic area, providing protection from herpes and genital warts.[/QUOTE]These look great. Do you have any idea where they can be purchased?
[QUOTE=Manizales911;1149468]Maybe a good idea for some guys but I'd rather cut my dick off than wear something like that.[/QUOTE]Yep.
I also like it.
Some thing found use full hence sharing here for benefits of all
Before you put a condom on:
Store condoms in a cool, dry place away from direct sunlight.
Check the expiration date on the condom.
Do a pillow test — does the air stay in the package?
Tear the condom package carefully — without using your teeth — to open.
If the condom looks damaged, discolored, or brittle, do not use.
Add a drop of lube inside the condom for extra pleasure.
To put a condom on:
With one hand, pinch the tip of the condom to leave room for the ejaculate.
With the other hand, roll the condom to the base of the penis or object.
Continue using this hand to guide any air bubbles out of the condom.
Add lube to the outside of the condom to avoid excess friction that may cause breakage.
After the action:
Hold the base of the condom as you pull out to avoid slippage.
Remove the condom and throw away in the trash, not the toilet.
Hope someone will find this info useful.
Cheers!
Little terror.
Guys, I got broken condoms 3 times in 2 month (Approx 10 use) since I started using different brand than the well known Dxxxx than I had used for 20 years. I am not prompting it. It is just I was totally surprised since this had never happened to me in almost 20 years of hoppy using the same brand.
I advise you all to stick to "extra safe" kind of it since it is longer and thicker than usual. Also, makes me wander do big brands have better quality control than others or maybe they sue better materials . That is why they charge premium prices. Maybe someone can advise.
It's most important for safety.
Did anyone hear about this antibiotic resistant strain of Gonorrhea they found in Japan? Anyone else having second thoughts about barebacking, or is it just me?
[url]http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/1023285--gonorrhea-superbug-resistant-to-all-antibiotics[/url]
A superbug strain of gonorrhea that's resistant to all available antibiotics has been discovered in Japan, posing a potential threat to public health worldwide, infectious disease experts say.
An international team of researchers identified the highly drug-resistant strain of Neisseria gonorrhoeae — the bacterium that causes the sexually transmitted infection — through genetic analysis.
Dubbed H041, the strain has extreme resistance to all cephalosporin-class antibiotics, the last remaining drugs still effective in treating gonorrhea.
'This is both an alarming and a predictable discovery, ' researcher Dr. Magnus Unemo of the Swedish Reference Laboratory for Pathogenic Neisseria, said in a statement. 'Since antibiotics became the standard treatment for gonorrhea in the 1940s, this bacterium has shown a remarkable capacity to develop resistance mechanisms to all drugs introduced to control it.
'While it is still too early to assess if this new strain has become widespread, the history of newly emergent resistance in the bacterium suggests that it may spread rapidly unless new drugs and effective treatment programs are developed, ' said Unemo, who presented the team's findings Monday at the International Society for Sexually Transmitted Disease Research meeting in Quebec City.
A spokesman for the Public Health Agency of Canada said the federal agency is not aware of any cases of H041 strain in this country.
Gonorrhea is one of the most common STIs in the world and can cause infertility, increase HIV transmission, and have profound effects on infants born to infected mothers, including blindness. Left untreated, the disease can be fatal.
Dr. Vanessa Allen, a medical microbiologist at the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion, said she's not surprised by the emergence of a superbug gonorrhea strain because the infectious agent is known to exchange genetic material with other organisms in the genital tract, which helps confer resistance.
There's been a long history of Neisseria gonorrhoeae losing its susceptibility to drugs used to treat it, including the penicillin class of antibiotics first introduced about 70 years ago.
'And, in fact, we're now on the fifth or six class of antimicrobials, ' Allen said Monday from Quebec City, where she was attending the conference.
Cephalosporins, which are administered in pill or a more potent intravenous form, are the latest to lose their ability to wipe out infection caused by the new strain.
With no alternative drugs in the pharmaceutical pipeline, 'the concern is that we'll go to potentially an era where it will be like the pre-antibiotic era, ' she said. 'So people again will see consequences of chronic gonorrhea infection that are associated with neonatal infections, infertility and those things. '
That sucks. Though at the end of the day have gonorrhea for life is still probably better than having AIDS. If AIDS didn't stop you from barebacking with girls then the only reason this might is that, if it's anything like other strains of gonorrhea, it should be much more infectious than HIV and will probably spread much more quickly.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1175570]Did anyone hear about this antibiotic resistant strain of Gonorrhea they found in Japan? Anyone else having second thoughts about barebacking, or is it just me?
[url]http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/1023285--gonorrhea-superbug-resistant-to-all-antibiotics[/url]
A superbug strain of gonorrhea that's resistant to all available antibiotics has been discovered in Japan, posing a potential threat to public health worldwide, infectious disease experts say.
An international team of researchers identified the highly drug-resistant strain of Neisseria gonorrhoeae — the bacterium that causes the sexually transmitted infection — through genetic analysis.
Dubbed H041, the strain has extreme resistance to all cephalosporin-class antibiotics, the last remaining drugs still effective in treating gonorrhea.
'This is both an alarming and a predictable discovery, ' researcher Dr. Magnus Unemo of the Swedish Reference Laboratory for Pathogenic Neisseria, said in a statement. 'Since antibiotics became the standard treatment for gonorrhea in the 1940s, this bacterium has shown a remarkable capacity to develop resistance mechanisms to all drugs introduced to control it.
'While it is still too early to assess if this new strain has become widespread, the history of newly emergent resistance in the bacterium suggests that it may spread rapidly unless new drugs and effective treatment programs are developed, ' said Unemo, who presented the team's findings Monday at the International Society for Sexually Transmitted Disease Research meeting in Quebec City.
A spokesman for the Public Health Agency of Canada said the federal agency is not aware of any cases of H041 strain in this country.
Gonorrhea is one of the most common STIs in the world and can cause infertility, increase HIV transmission, and have profound effects on infants born to infected mothers, including blindness. Left untreated, the disease can be fatal.
Dr. Vanessa Allen, a medical microbiologist at the Ontario Agency for Health Protection and Promotion, said she's not surprised by the emergence of a superbug gonorrhea strain because the infectious agent is known to exchange genetic material with other organisms in the genital tract, which helps confer resistance.
There's been a long history of Neisseria gonorrhoeae losing its susceptibility to drugs used to treat it, including the penicillin class of antibiotics first introduced about 70 years ago.
'And, in fact, we're now on the fifth or six class of antimicrobials, ' Allen said Monday from Quebec City, where she was attending the conference.
Cephalosporins, which are administered in pill or a more potent intravenous form, are the latest to lose their ability to wipe out infection caused by the new strain.
With no alternative drugs in the pharmaceutical pipeline, 'the concern is that we'll go to potentially an era where it will be like the pre-antibiotic era, ' she said. 'So people again will see consequences of chronic gonorrhea infection that are associated with neonatal infections, infertility and those things. '[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname;1176235]That sucks. Though at the end of the day have gonorrhea for life is still probably better than having AIDS. If AIDS didn't stop you from barebacking with girls then the only reason this might is that, if it's anything like other strains of gonorrhea, it should be much more infectious than HIV and will probably spread much more quickly.[/QUOTE]Actually, after thinking over, I'll probably still bareback. If I'm going to be scared of STDs and do everything covered, I might as well just stay at home and fuck a rubber doll. But this article did give me pause.
To be honest, I got Gonorrhea last year in the Philippines, and the doctor gave me both Ceftriaxone and Zithromax, which worked well and cleared up the infection. So I know for a fact that one (or both) of those drugs works for the PI variety of Gonorrhea.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1175570]Did anyone hear about this antibiotic resistant strain of Gonorrhea they found in Japan? Anyone else having second thoughts about barebacking, or is it just me?
[url]http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/1023285--gonorrhea-superbug-resistant-to-all-antibiotics[/url]
A superbug strain of gonorrhea that's resistant to all available antibiotics has been discovered in Japan, posing a potential threat to public health worldwide, infectious disease experts say. '[/QUOTE]I doubt it started in japan, hope they find the actual country it started in and get on top of it.
[quote=ezinho; 1176242]actually, after thinking over, i'll probably still bareback. if i'm going to be scared of stds and do everything covered, i might as well just stay at home and fuck a rubber doll. but this article did give me pause.
to be honest, i got gonorrhea last year in the philippines, and the doctor gave me both ceftriaxone and zithromax, which worked well and cleared up the infection. so i know for a fact that one (or both) of those drugs works for the pi variety of gonorrhea.[/quote]it will spread. with the number of japanese guys who go to pi looking for sex, the philippines will be one of the first places it spreads to. in 10 years it will be everywhere. by that time they might figure out a new antibiotic or some combination that works. or you may end up crying whenever you have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] for the rest of your (probably shorter) life.
though again, if aids didn't scare you off from barebacking with prostitutes this probably won't, either.
I know the chances are slim, but just curious about thoughts on this. I recently ran into a WG who after using her hand with some lube would take some hot water in her mouth and then kind of drool / spit it out on my.
Penis to, I assume, clean off some of the extra lube before a CBJ.
What's the chances of getting something from that? What would you assume to be the types of things to potentially spread that way? Again, I know it's quite slim, just curious.
[quote=tj222; 1176724]i know the chances are slim, but just curious about thoughts on this. i recently ran into a wg who after using her hand with some lube would take some hot water in her mouth and then kind of drool / spit it out on my.
penis to, i assume, clean off some of the extra lube before a cbj.
what's the chances of getting something from that? what would you assume to be the types of things to potentially spread that way? again, i know it's quite slim, just curious.[/quote]assuming that she does not have a bleeding sore in her mouth, and that you done have broken skin on your penis, and that she's not rubbing her saliva into your urethra, the chances are miniscule.
maybe if she has some bacterial infection in her throat from swollowing some other guys' spunk, and some of her spit finds its way down your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole, you might contract something from this sort of contact.
but like i said, the odds of that would be miniscule.
[QUOTE=Hortense;1250847]I've finally gone and caught Genital Herpes. * * * My only purpose for this post is to help others on this board by suggesting how this happened. The two bumps were located exactly where the bottom of my condom is situated. So either her hand or her lips or her pussy touched that area. * * * The only advice going forward then is to ensure that the condom is rolled down [i]as far as possible[/i] And to stop any constant rubbing where the tight unrolled part of the condom presses against the penis. That's for us all-condom-all-the-time guys. You BBBJers are on your own.[/QUOTE]This report illustrates particularly well why repeatedly in the Safe Sex section of the International Sex Guide and elsewhere I urge everybody to use FEMALE CONDOMS: The standard male condom leaves the base of your penis unprotected, leaving you vulnerable to any STD that goes through skin such as herpes, syphilis, or genital warts. The female condom protects the [u]entire[/u] Penis (P should be lowercase*) because the larger of the two loops stays on the outside of the woman's body. The smaller loop [u]inside[/u] The (ditto, should be lowercase "t") condom can be removed (use a clean finger you have not touched her genitals with) and the female condom placed on the penis before intercourse like a male condom. Often the female condom sticks to the inside of the vagina more than to the penis, so you're sliding back and forth inside the female condom feeling friction as well as pressure. Standard male condoms usually ruin the sensation because you feel no friction, only pressure. Another advantage of the female condom is you don't have that super tight still-rolled part of the condom hurting your penis like tourniquet. But the most important advantage of the female condom is vastly superior STD protection.
*The "P" in penis and "T" in "the" should be lowercase, but this web site's software repeatedly changes it to uppercase, apparently after each use of underline. The software of this web site also wipes out my ellipses, requiring the use of asterisks (* * *) , with spaces between the asterisks, to indicate where I omitted quoted text. This web site's software also changes the reporter's dashes into periods and then capitalizes the next letter. It also changes the letter between "t" and "v" into "you", changing what the reporter wrote.
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname;1150403]Okay. I did that. The news articles I found said that the fast tests are only available in certain approved clinics and not being sold over the counter. But if I look up fast test kits. I find many restults for companies claiming to sell the fast test for home use. Are the kits that you can buy and use yourself legitimate? Anybody know?[/QUOTE]Yes, I bought totally about hundred samples of each from various suppliers in Asia. HIV blood test and saliva, Hep B, Hep C, Syphilis, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, TP, etc. You can find it all on line. Very handy to test both you and the girl and then just bang away. You should however note that there is a incubation period before HIV can be detected with any test.
There are several places you can buy these tests on line, but cheapest is of course to buy wholesale from manufacturers or brokers.
If you for example Google "rapid HIV test kit Philippines" you will see that you can get a kit for 1000-1500 PHP". If you buy wholesale one individual test will cost a fraction of this. Googling "HIV home test" will also reveal many pages that can ship these tests to you. Add "wholesale" and you will get closer to the source.
Barba.
It is possible to buy a box of 10 at-home herpes simplex type-2 blood test kits for about $100, including shipping cost, from the below referenced Korean company. It's called the Bio Focus HSV-2 Rapid Test. It tests for antibodies and therefore can determine your sexual health status long after symptoms of HSV-2 have disappeared. Doing a STD test yourself at-home rather than in a physician's office or public clinic allows you to avoid the risk of creating a medical record of having a STD, should the test come out positive. The test kits are simple to use, contrary to stupid FDA rules saying they are too complicated for patient, at-home use: I've used a few types (and so-far always got a negative, that is, favorable test result). In all states of the USA there are STD reporting laws that [i]require[/i] physicians or clinic personnel to report you to the state government if you test positive for a STD, although in many states herpes is not reportable: Ask before going to a clinic or physician's office if this concerns you. Tests like this can be reassuring if you've ever had vague symptoms and want to be sure you are not infected. Experts in STDs say something like 90 percent of people who have herpes simplex are asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms they do not know they are infected and are at risk of passing the infection to others.
[url]http://www.ec21.com/product-details/HSV-2-Rapid-Test--4508531.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Barba; 1195774]Yes, I bought totally about hundred samples of each from various suppliers in Asia. HIV blood test and saliva, Hep B, Hep C, Syphilis, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, TP, etc. You can find it all on line. Very handy to test both you and the girl and then just bang away. You should however note that there is a incubation period before HIV can be detected with any test.
There are several places you can buy these tests on line, but cheapest is of course to buy wholesale from manufacturers or brokers.
If you for example Google "rapid HIV test kit Philippines" you will see that you can get a kit for 1000-1500 PHP". If you buy wholesale one individual test will cost a fraction of this. Googling "HIV home test" will also reveal many pages that can ship these tests to you. Add "wholesale" and you will get closer to the source.
Barba.[/QUOTE]Why are you so sure that they are legit and work well? I'm very wary of buying any medical supplies over the internet. I'd be more willing to buy testing kits than drugs but still, if you are relying on the kit to test for HIV you want to know that it works.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad;1195712]This report illustrates particularly well why repeatedly in the Safe Sex section of the International Sex Guide and elsewhere I urge everybody to use FEMALE CONDOMS: The standard male condom leaves the base of your penis unprotected, leaving you vulnerable to any STD that goes through skin such as herpes, syphilis, or genital warts. The female condom protects the [u]entire[/u] Penis (P should be lowercase*) because the larger of the two loops stays on the outside of the woman's body. The smaller loop [u]inside[/u] The (ditto, should be lowercase "t") condom can be removed (use a clean finger you have not touched her genitals with) and the female condom placed on the penis before intercourse like a male condom. Often the female condom sticks to the inside of the vagina more than to the penis, so you're sliding back and forth inside the female condom feeling friction as well as pressure. Standard male condoms usually ruin the sensation because you feel no friction, only pressure. Another advantage of the female condom is you don't have that super tight still-rolled part of the condom hurting your penis like tourniquet. But the most important advantage of the female condom is vastly superior STD protection.[/QUOTE]I agree the female condom is probably better as a barrier to STDs, but you have to be the first person I've heard praise the sensation of using one. Unless they've improved a ton since I last used one (which granted was maybe 8 or 9 years ago) I have to disagree. I found it a lot like having sex with a well-lubed plastic bag, and about as much of a turn-on. I just found it strange, distracting, and not at all sexy. One of the times I used it I actually had trouble coming, which virtually never happens to me. My girlfriend didn't like it either.
[QUOTE=JHS 42;1198149]I agree the female condom is probably better as a barrier to STDs, but you have to be the first person I've heard praise the sensation of using one. Unless they've improved a ton since I last used one (which granted was maybe 8 or 9 years ago) I have to disagree. I found it a lot like having sex with a well-lubed plastic bag, and about as much of a turn-on. I just found it strange, distracting, and not at all sexy. One of the times I used it I actually had trouble coming, which virtually never happens to me. My girlfriend didn't like it either.[/QUOTE][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_condom[/url]
"The FC1 female condom was first made from polyurethane. The second generation female condom is called the FC2 and is made from synthetic nitrile. This material change was announced in September 2005, and full transition of the product line to FC2 was done by October 2009. The newer nitrile condoms are less likely to make potentially distracting crinkling noises."
Those of you relying on these instant AIDS tests are very gullible. On the one hand, there is the incubation period, on the other hand there is the greed and lies of the pharmaceutical companies, on the third hand there is the proliferation of counterfeit products via e-mail, and on the fourth hand there is the insult to the woman in question.
Those of you using these huge and all encompassing condoms, you should also consider a Hazmat suit, a bullet proof vest, and a full-face helmet every time you leave your house. You might also want to acquire a catcher's mask or a hockey mask in case your fist flies off your dick while you are jacking off. Oh, and don't forget the eye protection!
I read recently studies shows that taking truvada had a prophylactic effect for HIV. In fact it lowered the chances of getting it by 66% (if memory serves). Seems they had a control group of people with one partner infected and a treated group of same. Results were based on fewer partners being infected when partners had the drug.
I don't plan to go bb all the time, but you know slips happen.
How practical is it to take truvada before during and after a monger trip to improve my odds?
Further what regime should I use to get max benefit?
Studies say this pill is available at regular pharmacies? What cost?
[QUOTE=Dickhead;1198789]* * * Those of you using these huge and all encompassing condoms, you should also consider a Hazmat suit, a bullet proof vest, and a full-face helmet every time you leave your house. You might also want to acquire a catcher's mask or a hockey mask in case your fist flies off your dick while you are jacking off. Oh, and don't forget the eye protection![/QUOTE]If your looks are anywhere near as outstanding as your sense of humor, you probably don't need to be paying for sex in the first place! However, I still recommend those "huge and all encompassing condoms" for reasons previously stated.
[QUOTE=Dickhead; 1198789]Those of you relying on these instant AIDS tests are very gullible. On the one hand, there is the incubation period, on the other hand there is the greed and lies of the pharmaceutical companies, on the third hand there is the proliferation of counterfeit products via e-mail, and on the fourth hand there is the insult to the woman in question.
Those of you using these huge and all encompassing condoms, you should also consider a Hazmat suit, a bullet proof vest, and a full-face helmet every time you leave your house. You might also want to acquire a catcher's mask or a hockey mask in case your fist flies off your dick while you are jacking off. Oh, and don't forget the eye protection![/QUOTE]Bound and determined to live up to your name here, I guess?
Is it safe to to do BBBJ & DATY with a domestic helper in Hong kong, met on dia, seems to be semi pro doing service on off days.
What are the possibilities of catching some diseases and the risk involved? FS will be covered, appreciate all possible help.
TMT
I entered all those variables into an on-line STD calculator and determined you have a 6. 2% chance of catching something this way.
Not sure this information has been posted.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm[/url]
Reveals that several studies have been performed and found that circumcised males have between 55-76% REDUCED CHANCE of contracting aids. One doctor described this as "just as significant a reduction as usuing condoms).
If you use a condom and are circumcised. There's virtually no chance you're going to get HIV from hetero sex.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1175570]Did anyone hear about this antibiotic resistant strain of Gonorrhea they found in Japan? Anyone else having second thoughts about barebacking, or is it just me?
[url]http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/1023285--gonorrhea-superbug-resistant-to-all-antibiotics[/url][/QUOTE]"Granny says its one o' dem end time plagues inna Bible. We all going to die."
[url]http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/112706-incurable-gonorrhea-may-be-next-superbug.html[/url]
BTW, the clap is also transferable via condom sex, since rubbers often fail.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom[/url]
#Causes_of_failure.
"They deteriorate in even the best of conditions, but even more rapidly in extremely cold or hot situations. Condom wrappers recommend storing the product at temperatures between 59 and 88 degrees Fahrenheit. One researcher found that, at major condom distribution points in New Jersey and New York, boxes of condoms were left outdoors in the ice and snow during the dead of winter. During the summer months, the researcher took photographs of eggs frying on the floors of dozens of trucks and containers where condoms were stored in temperatures exceeding 180 degrees. [5] High temperatures cause oxidation and freezing temperatures cause crystallization in some of the chemical compounds that make up condoms, leading to cracking, drying, shrinking and drastic loss of flexibility and strength. Keep in mind that condoms exported from the United States sit in uninsulated shipping containers in extreme weather conditions for even longer periods of time; , ___.
", Bodily secretions can get around and over a condom even if it performs perfectly."
[url]http://www.hli.org/index.php/the-case-against-condoms/320?task=view[/url]
It seems that the opinion of this article is that:
1] gonorrhea is still curable.
2] there is, as of now, no such thing as "incurable gonorrhea"
3] the disease is becoming more resistant to the "usual treatment"
4] there are "two more powerful antibiotics available" besides the "usual treatment" for treating this disease.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15238613[/url]
"Dr David Livermore, director of the antibiotic resistance monitoring laboratory at the Health Protection Agency, said that the cephalosporin antibiotics used in the UK are still effective for treating gonorrhoea.
" "But our lab tests show that the bacteria are becoming less sensitive to these cephalosporins, with a few treatment failures reported. This means that we are having to change the type of cephalosporin that is used and to increase the dosage.
" "The worry is that we will see gonorrhoea becoming a much more difficult-to-treat infection over the next five years.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14078098[/url]
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname;1198079]Why are you so sure that they are legit and work well? I'm very wary of buying any medical supplies over the internet. I'd be more willing to buy testing kits than drugs but still, if you are relying on the kit to test for HIV you want to know that it works.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is of course much safer if you let a pharmacy order the test kit so they can sell it to the doctor, and then the doctor can take a drop of blood and test you. Why would we rely on ourselves to trace the source of say a test, and then perform the complex task of extracting blood from a finger.
I once bought rubber gloves over the Internet and they seemed to work just as good as the ones I bought from the pharmacy, but still the did not feel right on the hands for some reason. I also heard there are evil spirits living in parabolic antennas.
Sorry for pulling your leg, Theystolemyname. No harm meant. If you do not feel safe in buying products utilizing say the Internet, you should of course stick to letting the doctor test you. However, you should be informed that the methodology of testing varies between doctors in various regions of the world, and many of the available tests will be used by doctors. It is chemistry not alchemy.
Theystolemyname this is not a comment on your post but it seems like each person have their own opinion about this what safe sex really is. Some like to lecture on this topic, and often these lectures are argued to be motivated by "the common good", but I mostly see self stroking egos that need to confirm their own choices in life. Irrationalities. To study the source and data on say a pill or a test could be simple for one guy while the next guy might have a hard time just understanding the dosage advice on a box of Aspirin. In addition to this the willingness to take a risk, or even to consider a certain action the least risky, varies a lot. Some people smoke and laugh at cancer and others will not be caught jerking off without a wet suit. At the end of the day we primarily risk ourselves (and sometimes a partner). Even a thai hooker has this responsibility. I see little point in bitching about some guy going bare back since I doubt that my bitching will have actual effect on the collective health of mankind. Personally I like to play it safe (are) but I have friends who hate condoms, never bother with tests and just cure whatever they get. That is their strategy, and it will work until it don't. No my way, but this is according to their idea of risks versus life quality.
Topmanten, there are lots written on the topic of oral sex. Just Google it. I think the question of IF you can get it is simple but the CHANCES of getting it is impossible to answer, simply because there is no data so it will just be general speculations that has no value in your specific case. STI:s are caused by a bacteria or a virus and many of these nasty creatures likes warm and humid places, like the mouths of domestic house keepers. For example syphilis seems quite easy to transfer and herpes can also be transfered. My advice would be to get the tests or go to the doc, especially if she is sucking cock as a partial mean for survival.
B.
@Barba: come on, no need for such biting sarcasm. I wasn't commenting on my own ability to perform the test or interpret the results, I was saying that I don't really trust all products being sold over the internet, and that seems extremely reasonable to me. Laws vary from place to place. I know that if I get a drug from a pharmacy in the USA, that drug has been tested and approved by the FDA and I'm actually getting what is marked on the package. On the other hand, if I buy an unmarked white pill in a tin foil wrapper from some Nigerian standing on a Hanoi street corner, well, who knows what the fuck that's going to be? Internet pharmacies I would place somewhere in the middle of these two extremes. I would just like to know that the products are tested, legit, and coming from trusted sources. As opposed to products that don't work or do what they say they do, packaged and sold to suckers. If you believe that the latter does not exist then you are much more naive then you were implying I am. And BTW would you like to buy some coral calcium? It can cure cancer. I can also hook you up with a belt that shocks you that will give you ripped abs in just a few weeks!
I am one of those people who is fine with taking pretty big risks in life. I do it all the time. But I'm not reckless for the sake of being reckless. If I could find a cheap and easy test that could reliably check for HIV (which is uncurable, if you didn't know) , why not use it? It would make my barebacking ways much less dangerous in the long run, even if so far I have been lucky.
@Arctic: I believe the reason for this is that for HIV transmission from female to male, the virus is usually absorbed from vaginal secretions through the glans of the penis. A healthy glans (one that is protected by foreskin) is very moist and supple and also very permeable to certain types of microscopic things. The glans on a cut penis is most of the time going to be dry and calloused like most of the rest of the skin covering your body, and thus less susceptible to permeation by viruses. Of course, being circumcised does not make you immune. There's still a chance the virus will get through the glans, or enter through a cut or tear in the penis, or an abrasion or thinning of the skin if you have been masturbating or having sex a lot, or even through the urethra which is the same point of entry favored by chlamydia and gonorrhea.
Anyway. Be safe. Or not. But circumcision doesn't stop HIV. If it did, there would be no AIDS in the USA. In the 1980s when the epidemic began almost everyone there was circumcised.
This is a neat article about antibiotics that are in the pipeline.
It is likely that they are waiting for the resistance of N. Gonorrhea to get high enough to release it. The thing is: When doctors know that a medicine is, say. 50% effective against bugs, they'll automatically switch to whatever works most of the time. And then the sales on the former antibiotic are finished.
[url]http://www.nature.com/ja/journal/v64/n6/pdf/ja201144a.pdf[/url]
There is also an article about using higher doses of extant antibiotics (as well as antibiotics with worse side effect profiles, such as kidney damage). I'll post a link if I can find it. But as for the resistance of gonorrhea, I don't think it will take too long to get much higher.
Here is an article that talks about the rate of treatment failure (in the United States). It has gone up from 0.1% to 0.3%. The protocol in that case is given in the article. They are saying that they think minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) is higher, so they recommended doubling the dosage in case of failure.
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6026a2.htm[/url]
I would also call your attention that the rate of resistance in gonorrhea in men who have sex with women has been just about constant for the last 10 years in the study (graphs are at bottom). But for men who haev sex with men, it has skyrocketed.
Theystolemyname, no flaming intended. Just think that it is time to stop demonising Internet based trade. It is just another way of contacting a seller, and the authenticity of product is unrelated to if you bought it on the Internet or from a person located in your physical proximity. I think the key to success is to not consider Internet trade as homogeneous in any sense. Many on-line pharmacist are in fact nothing but brokers between you, a doctor and a physical pharmacy in for example UK. Just another way to go to the doctor.
With regards to tests, I advice you to study the available brands at for example Alibaba or Made In China. A large part of the tests used in USA and Europe are manufactured in Asia, and these factories, or their brokers, are not limited to not sell to for example you, even if they also sell to establish pharmacists. You can in fact piggy back on the FDA approval (if you consider FDA a reliable option despite their dubious track record in some areas).
I never buy pills on the street.
Barba
[QUOTE=Barba; 1215343]Theystolemyname, no flaming intended. Just think that it is time to stop demonising Internet based trade. It is just another way of contacting a seller, and the authenticity of product is unrelated to if you bought it on the Internet or from a person located in your physical proximity. I think the key to success is to not consider Internet trade as homogeneous in any sense. Many on-line pharmacist are in fact nothing but brokers between you, a doctor and a physical pharmacy in for example UK. Just another way to go to the doctor.
With regards to tests, I advice you to study the available brands at for example Alibaba or Made In China. A large part of the tests used in USA and Europe are manufactured in Asia, and these factories, or their brokers, are not limited to not sell to for example you, even if they also sell to establish pharmacists. You can in fact piggy back on the FDA approval (if you consider FDA a reliable option despite their dubious track record in some areas).
I never buy pills on the street.
Barba[/QUOTE]If it's a pharmacy that is based and licensed in the United States that sells products over the internet, fine, say that. I'm not demonizing anything that doesn't deserve to be demonized. For every honest business trying to do business online there are five or ten Nigerian princes trying to help you to millions of dollars. An appropriate non-flaming response to my question would be to list trusted companies that sell products that have been tested and proven to work. In irrelevant response would be to imply that people are wary of purchasing things online from unknown sources without any good reason, and that we should just trust everything we ever buy is a good product.
Yes, I could do my own research, and maybe I will have to. But if someone else had already done the research and didn't want to give a smartass answer then they could help us all out by sharing that information.
[QUOTE=Topmanten; 1206713]Is it safe to to do BBBJ & DATY with a domestic helper in Hong kong, met on dia, seems to be semi pro doing service on off days.
What are the possibilities of catching some diseases and the risk involved? FS will be covered, appreciate all possible help.
TMT[/QUOTE]First you have to understand what does domestic helper, college co-ed, waitress, nurse etc has to do with catching a sexually transmitted disease?
If the girl agrees to have bb oral sex with you (a total stranger) it means that she has done it many times. You can figure this out. Yes, you can be infected by oral sex.
As I know with domestic servants in HK, they tend to hide their medical problems so that they will not loose the Job. Which employer wants the girl to cook food knowing she has sexually transmitted disease although it has.
Nothing to do with transmission.
Even if you ask the girl she will lie.
Any girl you meet in a mongering or semi mongering situation cannot be trusted fully if you are worried. I never do DATY unless the girl is my gf for a long time. BBBJ has leass of a risk according to info but nothing is 100% safe.
Yea, Theystolemyname I could have responded in another way. You are not responsible for all other guys constantly biting at anything that disturbs their view of the world. But I thought my second reply was quite friendly. I must be a prick simply. .
I have utilized brokers in the past that I found on Alibaba and Made In China (same brokers on both sites). These come and go. You better just do a search there. I just bought a bunch and then checked (Googled) if they are used somewhere else. Some "reliable" place. I could not track if all tests where used, but many. For example the saliva HIV test I got from one broker, seems to be used widely. I have the tests in Asia and can not check the brand now. In addition I found no evidence in my search, that indicated that there are any factories producing false tests. These factories you will trade with, are named and you can ask them to where they sell. So in my opinion they differ a lot from Nigerian lottery emails.
Hope this can bee of any help, even if I do not point exactly to where and hat to buy.
Over and out.
B
I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.
It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.
When you see that around 1 in 3-4 Americans has genital herpes. People that on average probably have much less than 30 partners in their lifetime. Then what does that say about how many hookers are infected, given that they fuck hundreds or thousands of dudes? It should be a very high percentage.
I would like to see your thoughts on this.
And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1229677]I personally don't worry about HIV because I always use condoms. Gonorrhea, chlamydia, if you do get them, are curable.
The only think left to worry about, IMO, is herpes.
It's quite contagious. It's very widespread. You have it for life. Condoms offer no real protection from it.
And if experienced guys have been at this hobby for a long time, without catching it, I would like to hear from them too.[/QUOTE]There is a product that has great success in taking care of herpes. It is from Fornalis. Check out Forces of Nature web site. It works great. You will be surprised!
[QUOTE=Theystolemyname; 1214352]@Arctic: I believe the reason for this is that for HIV transmission from female to male, the virus is usually absorbed from vaginal secretions through the glans of the penis. A healthy glans (one that is protected by foreskin) is very moist and supple and also very permeable to certain types of microscopic things. The glans on a cut penis is most of the time going to be dry and calloused like most of the rest of the skin covering your body, and thus less susceptible to permeation by viruses. Of course, being circumcised does not make you immune. There's still a chance the virus will get through the glans, or enter through a cut or tear in the penis, or an abrasion or thinning of the skin if you have been masturbating or having sex a lot, or even through the urethra which is the same point of entry favored by chlamydia and gonorrhea.
Anyway. Be safe. Or not. But circumcision doesn't stop HIV. If it did, there would be no AIDS in the USA. In the 1980s when the epidemic began almost everyone there was circumcised.[/QUOTE]Well the basic point of the study was that circumcision reduces H-IV transmission almost as much as using a condom does. And my point was. If you are circumcised AND use a condom. You're pretty bulletproof. Nothing is 100%. Lightning does strike some people.
As far as Herpes though. I am friends with a very intelligent, college educated escort who takes her job seriously and her health VERY seriously. She's been in the business for over ten years. Seen literally thousands of customers and has never caught a single sexually transmitted infection. Basically. The sex is always covered and if she spots a lesion on a man's penis. There's no sex happening at all. She's pretty good at spotting too. I told her."But, but. They can shed the virus without lesions!". Her response."Oh yeah, sure. That's what the Doc's say." Essentially she says that prostitutes have become their own "testing laboratory" on herpes and found that Herpes is transmitted very rarely. If ever. Without the presence of lesions. If you look at the infection rates of married couples where one spouse has herpes. You'll see it takes a lot of sex for the virus to transmit. It's not just a case of "Oh shit, I fingered her and then wiped it on my dick without thinking!" (which has happened to me! LOL). It takes more than that.
Also. According to her BBBJ are okay. And she performs them all the time. It's not easy to pass STD orally at all and, if a woman doesn't swallow and keeps the stuff out of her throat. Then the chance even dives lower.
I'm not saying to have casual sex without being safe. Take the precautions, if you want a covered BJ go for it. But a lot of the hype is just that. It's hype to scare people away from what many consider to be an illegal and unwanted social evil. Prostitution and mongering.
Another good point is this.
[url]http://www.skintherapyletter.com/2005/10.1/1.html[/url]
Some of the drugs used to treat HSV-2 outbreaks are fairly effective in preventing the transmission of the disease. For instance. In the study above. Non-infected partners who took the drug saw a 50% reduction in the transmission of HSV-2. If the infected parter took the drug for 8 months. Then a 75% reduction in transmission was realized.
Add to this condom. And the fact that you will not have sex with anyone who has lesions. And you can improve your chances even more.
In most civilized nations. These HSV-2 drugs are available and, any hookers who DO have the virus are going to want to use them because HSV-2 outbreaks can be painful. What I'm saying is. If you go to Copenhagen and just so happen to have sex with a hooker who has HSV-2 and she knows it. Then she's also very likely to be on the treatment drugs which will also help keep her from spreading the virus to you.
[QUOTE=Param Ahmad;1195712]I urge everybody to use FEMALE CONDOMS: The standard male condom leaves the base of your penis unprotected, leaving you vulnerable to any STD that goes through skin such as herpes, syphilis, or genital warts. The female condom protects the entire Penis because the larger of the two loops stays on the outside of the woman's body. The smaller loop inside the condom can be removed (use a clean finger you have not touched her genitals with) and the female condom placed on the penis before intercourse like a male condom. Often the female condom sticks to the inside of the vagina more than to the penis, so you're sliding back and forth inside the female condom feeling friction as well as pressure. Standard male condoms usually ruin the sensation because you feel no friction, only pressure.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JHS 42;1198149]I agree the female condom is probably better as a barrier to STDs, but you have to be the first person I've heard praise the sensation of using one. Unless they've improved a ton since I last used one (which granted was maybe 8 or 9 years ago) I have to disagree. I found it a lot like having sex with a well-lubed plastic bag, and about as much of a turn-on. I just found it strange, distracting, and not at all sexy. One of the times I used it I actually had trouble coming, which virtually never happens to me. My girlfriend didn't like it either.[/QUOTE][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_condom[/url]
"The FC1 female condom was first made from polyurethane. The second generation female condom is called the FC2 and is made from synthetic nitrile. This material change was announced in September 2005, and full transition of the product line to FC2 was done by October 2009. The newer nitrile condoms are less likely to make potentially distracting crinkling noises."
I have used both the old plastic FC1 and the new nitrile FC2. The old plastic FC1 was terrible when used as directed. The new FC2 is not bad when used as a female condom. The inner ring holds it in place and you do get the friction that is missing with the male condom. It helps to add some lube since there isn't much provided. I also tried removing the inner ring and wearing it as a male condom. I slid the ring over the outside of the condom and down to the base of the penis to hold it in place. That didn't work at all. I couldn't feel anything, since the material is much thicker than a male condom. Having the woman insert it as directed gives the best results, better sensation for the man than wearing a male condom. The problem for STD control is that the woman has to touch her genitals when inserting it. If she has an STD it can be transferred to the condom in a place where the penis will come in contact. I haven't tried removing the inner ring and wearing it loosly as a male condom. That would be a safer way to insert it for STD purposes and might provide enough friction to give good sensation, but I wonder if it will stay in place.
Thanks for the replies, I hope to see more.
Guys, I have read a ton on the net. Every site says condoms are safe but not bullet proof and stud like that. I just love those long legs, beautiful hair, big boobs, tight young pussies, but every time I am out there to choose a girl I feel shit scared. Eventually I end up taking the most expensive ones thinking they would be less used so less at risk and I would be safe. Can you please put the facts in Place for me. I mean if I fuck a prostitute with a condom, the condom does not break, the blowjob is bareback and I am not into DATY, what are my chances of being safe. There might be so many of you who are doing this for years, hope you share some experiences which could reduce my fears!
[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1256129]There might be so many of you who are doing this for years, hope you share some experiences which could reduce my fears![/QUOTE]Relax: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1001-General-Info&p=1249271&viewfull=1#post1249271[/url]
Just wondering if anyone has ever caught an STI from a worker and what kind of info they provide as it is required to report here in Canada when diagnosed. Do you tell them how you got it or what? Just wondering how the process works.
Here is a Trojan video about making condoms:
[url]http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhPyfZRWk7QI7300e1[/url]
Bioengineers at the University of Utah School of Engineering have developed a molecular condom that women can use. Now every one can enjoy intimate contact naturally without the risk of pregnancy and diseases.
[url]http://www.newlifewoman.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2169483[/url]
Liquid contraception:get rid of traditional "condom use" (which for some people reduces pleasure) contraceptive pills that may have side effects. No more wories about condom breaking.
[url]http://www.newlifewoman.com/apps/webstore/products/show/2169533[/url]
A kind of water-soluble, tasteless, transparent liquid microbial agents paste contains active ingredient: essien octoxynal (benzene together. Abbreviation O. 9) , is the main components that destroys HIV virus, also kill various STDS pathogens, including herpes simplex virus, gonorrhea diplococcus, syphilis helicoid, chlamydia and human sperm, etc. According to BZK (benzene pierced chloride) It Also prevents pregnancy and stop the spread of sexually transmitedd diseases by distroying cause of the infection.
[url]http://contraception-std.com/index-1-English.htm[/url]
An amazing/surprising and epoch-making lubricating gel has been developed, which can be used for both prevention of all kinds of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) including AIDS and contraception. This lubricating gel injected into the vagina can be called Liquid Female Condom (Liquid Femidom) as it acts just like a rubber female condom (Femidom) in the roles of contraception and STD-prevention. It can be also used to protect against crab lice and ascariasis which cannot be protected by the rubber condom.
[url]http://contraception-std.com/operating%20instructions-English.htm[/url]
Silver Gel injected into the male urethra which can be called "Urethral Condom" enable to prevent various STDs including AIDS with its physical blocking wall effect and germicidal effect like solid condoms. However, in contrast with the ordinary condom the urethral condom concentrates its protection on the urethral mucous which is the sole invading route for germs unless there is scars on the skin of the penis. Furthermore, in contrast with the ordinary condom, the urethral condom elevates sexual feelings rather than lowering by lubricity of the silver gel and eliminates worries for being torn or taken off during coitus like condoms.
Furthermore, it has been known that silver as metal has a wide range of germicidal effects. It has been found that silver dispersed in water as very fine particles, which is called "coloidal silver" or "nano-silver", is more effective as a germicide. This nano-silver is proved to eradicate more than 650 germs and viruses in a few minutes without any effects to the human body. Recently it has been possible to manufacture nano-silver which has particle sizes of 2-15nm and concentrations of 5-20ppm by electrolysis in distilled water with silver eletrodes of more than 99. 99% in purity. Moreover, in contrast with other chemical germicides, nano-silver is non-irritant to the extremely sensitive mucous membrane in the male urethra. Therefore, nano-silver is the most suitable germicide to be added into the lubricating gel for STD / AIDS prevention due to its wide germicidal effects and non-irritability.
Here is a Wikipedia-link to the page on STDs.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease[/url]
I have done some browsing on the subject and giving below some links.
Here are links to opinions of some previous posters.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=824261&viewfull=1#post824261[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?953-Bangalore&p=802983&viewfull=1#post802983[/url]
Here are the links to Wikipedia pages.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex[/url]
Pages from Wikipedia have further links for more serious reading. IMHO Wikipedia pages are quite authentic. Here are some excerpts from Wikipedia pages.
[Quote][B][I]STD risk associated with BBBJ[/I][/B]
Chlamydia, human papillomavirus (HPV) , gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis (multiple strains) , and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) , can be transmitted through oral sex. [33]
Any kind of sexual contact with bodily fluids of a person infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, poses a risk of infection. The risk from most of these types of infection, however, is generally considered far lower than that associated with vaginal or anal sex. [34][35]
If the receiving partner has wounds on his genitals, or if the giving partner has wounds or open sores on or in his or her mouth, or bleeding gums, this poses an increased risk of STD transmission. Brushing the teeth, flossing, undergoing dental work, or eating crunchy foods such as potato chips relatively soon before or after giving fellatio can also increase the risk of transmission, because all of these activities can cause small scratches in the lining of the mouth.
These wounds, even when they are microscopic, increase the chances of contracting STDs that can be transmitted orally under these conditions. Such contact can also lead to more mundane infections from common bacteria and viruses found in, around and secreted from the genital regions. Because of this, some medical professionals advise the use of condoms when performing or receiving fellatio with a partner whose STD status is unknown. Flavored condoms may be used for this purpose.[/QUOTE][Quote][B][I]HIV transmision through DFK / oral sex[/I][/B]
Saliva carries a negligible viral load, so even open-mouthed kissing is considered a low risk. However, if the infected partner or both of the performers have blood in their mouth due to cuts, open sores, or gum disease, the risk is higher. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has only recorded one case of possible HIV transmission through kissing (involving an HIV-infected man with significant gum disease and a sexual partner also with significant gum disease) , [20] and the Terence Higgins Trust says that this is essentially a no-risk situation. [21]
While it is agreed that oral sex has a much lower HIV-infection risk than vaginal and anal sex, HIV can be transmitted through both insertive and receptive oral sex, [23] when there is contact between semen or vaginal fluid and the mucus membranes of the mouth. The risk of infection from a single encounter is small, but it increases with frequency of activity. To date the CDC lists no documented cases of transmission to the insertive partner of such activities.
Transmission risk may be elevated in the case of open sores on the genitals and / or mouth, or significant gum disease or bleeding, I. E, when there is direct contact between semen and breaks in the skin or surface of the mouth. [20][/Quote]This a very vast subject and may post more in future.
[B][I]This hobby is not 100% Risk-free[/I][/B] So take precautions.
Happy mongering
Here is the link to Cunnilingus page on Wikipedia.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunnilingus[/url]
Here is an excerpt from that page on the risks.
[Quote]Chlamydia, human papillomavirus (HPV) , gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis (multiple strains) , and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) including HIV can be transmitted through oral sex. [9] The documented risk of HIV transmission through cunnilingus is considered to be extremely small, and far lower than that associated with fellatio, vaginal or anal sex. There have only ever been 2 documented cases of HIV transmission through cunnilingus. [10][11] If the receiving partner has wounds or open sores on her genitals, or if the giving partner has wounds or open sores on or in his or her mouth, or bleeding gums, this poses an increased risk of STD transmission. Brushing the teeth, flossing, undergoing dental work, or eating crunchy foods such as potato chips relatively soon before or after performing cunnilingus can also increase the risk of disease transmission, because all of these activities can cause small scratches in the lining of the mouth. These wounds, even when they are microscopic, increase the chances of contracting STDs that can be transmitted orally under these conditions. Such contact can also lead to more mundane infections from common bacteria and viruses found in, around, and secreted from the genital regions.
In 2005, a research study at the College of Malmö in Sweden suggested that performing unprotected oral sex on a person infected with HPV might increase the risk of oral cancer. The study found that 36% of the cancer patients had HPV compared to only 1 percent of the healthy control group. [12]
Another recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests a correlation between oral sex and throat cancer. It is believed that this is due to the transmission of human papillomavirus (HPV) because this virus has been implicated in the majority of cervical cancers. The study concludes that people who had one to five oral sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity, and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250% increased risk. [13]
In addition, in rare cases, air being blown into the vagina can be harmful to the receiver, even fatal[Citation required]. Air that is very forcefully blown in and not adequately released could enter the bloodstream through capillaries in the uterine wall, causing an air embolism. It should also be noted that probability of an air embolism developing is elevated, though still relatively low, during pregnancy (in the case of the receiver) [Citation required].[/QUOTE]
Here is the link to Fellatio page on Wikipedia.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellatio[/url]
Here is an excerpt from that page on the risks.
[Quote][B][I]STD risk[/I][/B]
Chlamydia, human papillomavirus (HPV) , gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis (multiple strains) , and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) , can be transmitted through oral sex. [33]
Any kind of sexual contact with bodily fluids of a person infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, poses a risk of infection. The risk from most of these types of infection, however, is generally considered far lower than that associated with vaginal or anal sex. [34][35]
If the receiving partner has wounds on his genitals, or if the giving partner has wounds or open sores on or in his or her mouth, or bleeding gums, this poses an increased risk of STD transmission. Brushing the teeth, flossing, undergoing dental work, or eating crunchy foods such as potato chips relatively soon before or after giving fellatio can also increase the risk of transmission, because all of these activities can cause small scratches in the lining of the mouth.
These wounds, even when they are microscopic, increase the chances of contracting STDs that can be transmitted orally under these conditions. Such contact can also lead to more mundane infections from common bacteria and viruses found in, around and secreted from the genital regions. Because of this, some medical professionals advise the use of condoms when performing or receiving fellatio with a partner whose STD status is unknown. Flavored condoms may be used for this purpose.
[B][I]HPV and oral cancer link[/I][/B]
In 2006, a research study at Malmö University's Faculty of Odontology suggested that performing unprotected oral sex on a person infected with HPV might increase the risk of oral cancer. The study found that 36 percent of the cancer patients had HPV compared to only 1 percent of the healthy control group. [36]
Another recent study suggests a correlation between oral sex and throat cancer. It is believed that this is due to the transmission of human papillomavirus (HPV).
The study concludes that people who had one to five oral-sex partners in their lifetime had approximately a doubled risk of throat cancer compared with those who never engaged in this activity and those with more than five oral-sex partners had a 250 percent increased risk. [37][/Quote]
I could not find info on the above subject in one place. Following are excerpts from many Wikipedia Pages.
STI = Sexually Transmissible Infections. Now-a-days STI seems to be the more accepted acronym for this group of diseases / infections.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease[/url]
[Quote]many STIs seem to be easier to transmit through oral sex than through deep kissing.
Some infections labeled as STIs can be transmitted by direct skin contact. Herpes simplex and HPV are both examples. KSHV, on the other hand, may be transmitted by deep-kissing but also when saliva is used as a sexual lubricant.[/QUOTE][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis[/url]
[Quote]Syphilis is transmitted primarily by sexual contact or during pregnancy from a mother to her fetus; the spirochaete is able to pass through intact mucous membranes or compromised skin.[4][5] It is thus transmissible by kissing, or oral, vaginal, and anal sex.[4][/Quote][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus[/url]
[Quote]Oral HPV infection is associated with HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancer. Odds of oral HPV infection increases with the number of recent oral sex partners or open-mouthed kissing partners.[70] Nonsexual oral infection through salivary or cross transmission is also plausible.[10][71][/Quote][url]Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misconceptions_about_HIV_and_AIDS[/url]
In context of HIV transmission.
[Quote]Saliva carries a negligible viral load, so even open-mouthed kissing is considered a low risk. However, if the infected partner or both of the performers have blood in their mouth due to cuts, open sores, or gum disease, the risk is higher. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has only recorded one case of possible HIV transmission through kissing (involving an HIV-infected man with significant gum disease and a sexual partner also with significant gum disease),[20][/Quote]So, generally it appears that FK / DFK are considered to be low risk activities. However, if the infected partner or both of the performers have "blood in their mouth" due to cuts, open sores, or gum disease, the risk is higher. Read my posts on DATY and / or BBBJ for reasons of "blood in mouth"
Take precautions & keep enjoying.
I'm a DFK lover, when I feel that the girl is ok I'll go for it. But I have a selection criteria, if a girl offered BBBJ I'll refrain from DFK, because it's a confirmation that she usually suck cocks without rubber, so that the risk is high.
Usually after the BKK trip I'll take Erythromycin 500mg for about 3 days, without consulting any doctor. Thinking that it will help me to destroy any germ that had been entered to my body while having DFKs / BBBJs, further I'm aware that Erythromycin will not help on the cases with viruses, including HIV.
(I never go for vaginal intercourse without rubber)
So can somebody tell me whether my preventive method is correct?
Is there any other drug that more suitable for this case?
When is the best time to start taking it?
About one month back I read a long report from a forum member who is attached to medical profession, it was very informative and it's very well described and I thought of copying it and saving it somewhere, but unfortunately I couldn't locate it now, I searched hours. But no success. There he had been described all most all common STDs and how, when and for how long you should take medicines.
Hope at least one of our member had read it and know where that report is.
Thanks in advance.
Wismar
[QUOTE=Wismar; 1301795]I'm a DFK lover, when I feel that the girl is ok I'll go for it. But I have a selection criteria, if a girl offered BBBJ I'll refrain from DFK, because it's a confirmation that she usually suck cocks without rubber, so that the risk is high.
Usually after the BKK trip I'll take Erythromycin 500mg for about 3 days, without consulting any doctor. Thinking that it will help me to destroy any germ that had been entered to my body while having DFKs / BBBJs, further I'm aware that Erythromycin will not help on the cases with viruses, including HIV.
(I never go for vaginal intercourse without rubber)
So can somebody tell me whether my preventive method is correct?
Is there any other drug that more suitable for this case?
When is the best time to start taking it?
About one month back I read a long report from a forum member who is attached to medical profession, it was very informative and it's very well described and I thought of copying it and saving it somewhere, but unfortunately I couldn't locate it now, I searched hours. But no success. There he had been described all most all common STDs and how, when and for how long you should take medicines.
Hope at least one of our member had read it and know where that report is.
Thanks in advance.
Wismar[/QUOTE]I am not a doctor, nor have I ever played one on TV. But I haves worked as a pharmaceutical sales representative, and what I can tell you is that the medicine package insert will tell you what that drug / antibiotic can be used to treat along with the recommended dosage and duration of treatment. The major problem with antibiotics is incomplete or premature ending of treatment regiment, which leads to drug resistance. So next time you purchase antibiotics, be sure to read that package insert with all the fine print.
[QUOTE=Jiggydus;1301854]I am not a doctor, nor have I ever played one on TV. .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice,
RGDS.
Wismar
[QUOTE=Wismar;1301795]I'm a DFK lover, when I feel that the girl is ok I'll go for it. But I have a selection criteria, if a girl offered BBBJ I'll refrain from DFK, because it's a confirmation that she usually suck cocks without rubber, so that the risk is high.[/QUOTE]The risk of what is high? It is unclear what you are afraid of catching from DFK. It sounds like you're afraid of catching the cold / flu? Herpes? Antibiotics will do nothing to prevent catching a virus; you'd be better off taking a superdose of Vitamin C and Zinc before you monger in order to strengthen your immune system.
Look, just remember, if you've been barebacking (BBFS or BBBJ) , one gram of Zithromax will treat Chlamydia and 400 mg of Cefixime will treat Gonorrhea. These are the two most common STIs for barebacking mongers, IME.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1302130]The risk of what is high? It is unclear what you are afraid of catching from DFK. It sounds like you're afraid of catching the cold / flu? Herpes? Antibiotics will do nothing to prevent catching a virus; you'd be better off taking a superdose of Vitamin C and Zinc before you monger in order to strengthen your immune system.[/QUOTE]Now I understood that antibiotic cannot do much. Regarding Vit C & Zinc, I'm taking a tablet call Zegavit, it has Zinc, Vit C and Vit B, do you know any brand name which is better than said product? Or anything that you used to take?
Thanks.
Wismar
[QUOTE=Ezinho;1302130]Look, just remember, if you've been barebacking (BBFS or BBBJ) , one gram of Zithromax will treat Chlamydia and 400 mg of Cefixime will treat Gonorrhea. These are the two most common STIs for barebacking mongers, IME.[/QUOTE]Always go see a Urologist, even if some people tell you you can treat yourself or Google can help, my advice would be to always seek professional help
[QUOTE=Wismar;1305142]Now I understood that antibiotic cannot do much. Regarding Vit C & Zinc, I'm taking a tablet call Zegavit, it has Zinc, Vit C and Vit B, do you know any brand name which is better than said product? Or anything that you used to take? Thanks.Wismar[/QUOTE]No offence, but it is disgraceful that you learn this from a forum, somehow. One should first seek for medical advice rather than on a public forum. Especially when taking medicines. Even the pharmacy have knowledge limits, but certainly their advice is more recommended than on a forum.
[url]http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100300453[/url]
Embodiments of the present invention provide a prophylactic undergarment system made from soft, stretchable, fluid proof, stain resistant, anti-static, noise-free, high performance medical material that can be washed and reused. The system includes a condom-retaining device and is worn in conjunction with a condom during sexual activity to provide a protective barrier over the entire genital region. The undergarment system reduces skin-to-skin contact and the exchange of bodily fluids beyond typical condom coverage, which prevents the transmission of sexual diseases commonly passed or "shed" around the unprotected genital areas.
[url]http://contraception-std.com/research-English.htm[/url]
"Generally speaking, (most) germs attached on the outer skin on the penis cannot penetrate through it unless there is a cut. Germs usually invade through the urethral mucosa for a male. Therefore, a male can prevent STDs considerably by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] immediately after coitus."
"nano-silver is the most suitable germicide to be added into the lubricating gel for STD / AIDS prevention due to its wide germicidal effects and non-irritability."
"In contrast with a condom, this lubricating gel (Silver Gel) being a liquid cannot have structural defects and cannot be torn or mistakenly taken off. It has germicidal effects as well by colloidal silver. Therefore, it works better than a condom in prevention of AIDS. Furthermore, it can cover much wider area than a condom as it can be applied easily on and around the genital, which forms invisible thin film of nanometer thickness that acts as a barrier to crabs, lice and scabies."
English Escort Business: Sexual Health.
[url]http://www.escort-england.com/business/sex.html[/url]
I've read a number of reports in this forum even. Where the guy does a DATY on the esort / pro and doesn't mind it but would say no to a BBBJ. I mean, can't you contract HIV or some STD because of DATY even?
ok fellas, this is some scary shit. i read somewhere that hiv virus can take up to 3 months to show up in a blood test. also my doc told me my recent blood test did not show up anything but to do it again in 3 months. in the meantime he said not to have any sexual contact. you see, i do a blood test, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test every time i come back from a mongering trip. so basically what i am understanding is each time i have sex with a woman, i should wait 3 months before banging another one to make sure i am not infected? who does that?
Now Sydney Escorts at risk free Sex How cool would it be if there was a place where adult companionship was at your beckoning call. Where the women where beautiful in all shapes and forms to fulfil every possible companionship desire, and where these women where empowered and held in high regard for their open minded views. Try Free Escort membership.
[url]http://www.pleasureisland.com.au/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sammytheman;1346029]--- I read somewhere that HIV virus can take up to 3 months to show up in a blood test.---[/QUOTE]There are mainly 2 catagories of HIV tests with different window periods."Window Period" is the time from infection until a test can detect the infection with any degree of certainity.
1. Antibody tests (ELISA, Western Blot) : Window Period is from three weeks to six months. Most people develop detectable antibodies approximately 30 days after infection, although some take longer to develop antibodies. The vast majority of people (97%) have detectable antibodies by three months after HIV infection. These tests are inexpensive and extremely accurate.
2. Nucleic Acid based Tests (RT-PCR, bDNA) : Window period is 12 days. These tests are also accurate but expensive.
If you have been bare-backing, then you can request your physician to do a NAT, or better still, ask for a PEP (Post Exposure Prophylaxis) treatment.
Note : Some of the info above is extracted from "HIV Test" page on Wikipedia.
[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because it appears that the poster was [u]deliberately posting false information to agitate the forum membership for his own amusement[/u]. This kind of deliberate antagonism will not be tolerated and will result in the perpetrator being permanently banned from the forum. [i]Thank You![/i][/blue]
[QUOTE=Rajiv6969; 1349050]Hi friends,
I shall be visiting europe for work and of course sex. Will be hitting germany and amsterdam.
My problem is I have syphilis and herpes and it is flaring out.
I wonder do you guys know any medication, oitment or technique that wopuld clear out the red colour soreness or how to cover up the chancre so that the ladies would not see it.
I plan to ask girls for blowjob in dark places and then once in the room I turn her to doggy and fuck her. I have used this technique in Bangkok and it works like a charm. No girls ever noticed it but in fkk I heard that lighting is quite bright so it maybe hard for me to ask for bareback blowjob.[/QUOTE]Dude, you are scum. Why don't you go to a doctor and get treated instead of messing up the playing field?
But if you really want to clear up the chancres, I recommend sprinkling Epsom salt on your prick and then immersing it into a cup of rubbing alcohol. You might want to drink some alcohol beforehand as an anesthesia.
[QUOTE=Rajiv6969; 1349050]My problem is I have syphilis and herpes and it is flaring out.
I wonder do you guys know any medication, oitment or technique that wopuld clear out the red colour soreness or how to cover up the chancre so that the ladies would not see it.
I plan to ask girls for blowjob in dark places and then once in the room I turn her to doggy and fuck her.[/QUOTE]In Germany, if you do this and the girl finds out that you have chancres, she can report you to the Police and you may get sentenced between 2-5 years in prison. Take care!
I know a guy who had chancres and tried to fuck a girl in dark but she saw the disease later after the fuck. She cut his penis off and squeezed it in his ass.
By the way, I know a girl who has AIDS and she likes to fuck guys who have Syphlis. Want to try her?
[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because it appears that the poster was [u]deliberately posting false information to agitate the forum membership for his own amusement[/u]. This kind of deliberate antagonism will not be tolerated and will result in the perpetrator being permanently banned from the forum. [i]Thank You![/i][/blue]
You need to go to a doctor and get the shots. Topical treatment won't work. After you get a shot, you should not have any sex until the sores clear away and wait until 4-6 weeks. And not to mention if you have open sores, you prone to other STD like HPV and even aids. You are risking it big. Sex without this is being selfish and risking other peoples lives. Its called cheating. Don't do it man. You will regret it forever.
What if someone with AIDS has sex with you and not tell you? How do you feel?
[QUOTE=Rajiv6969; 1349050]Hi friends,
I shall be visiting europe for work and of course sex. Will be hitting germany and amsterdam.
My problem is I have syphilis and herpes and it is flaring out.
I wonder do you guys know any medication, oitment or technique that wopuld clear out the red colour soreness or how to cover up the chancre so that the ladies would not see it.
I plan to ask girls for blowjob in dark places and then once in the room I turn her to doggy and fuck her. I have used this technique in Bangkok and it works like a charm. No girls ever noticed it but in fkk I heard that lighting is quite bright so it maybe hard for me to ask for bareback blowjob.[/QUOTE]
With the various incurable bugs out there with pretty dire consequences, I can't understand why any educated man would want to have unprotected sex in a red light district.
That's what first springs to my mind when I think of bareback bonking in AC, not the possible kid.
I guess if I knew I had an incurable cancer and had 6 months, I'd go nuts, but until that happens I'm going to keep my immune system and liver in mind when I push in.
But each to their own I suppose. 8)
[QUOTE=VaderBule; 1350762]I guess if I knew I had an incurable cancer and had 6 months, I'd go nuts, but until that happens I'm going to keep my immune system and liver in mind when I push in.
But each to their own I suppose. 8) [/QUOTE]But it's not only about "pusher in" immune system. I know, you will not like what I say, but friends, when you fuck bareback, think about other mongers. When WG transmit somewhere to you, you will transmit it to next girl, and next, and next. And those girls can transmit to another Johns. And another. It's just not fair.
Cheers.
T. 72
I meet a punter this month who had been to AC and did not use a condom now has genital warts, he said he noticed a blister and now it full blown. Herpes and warts are 2 std I know bar girls have more and more but never get tested for, getting them stops you from enjoying the rest of your holiday. I have tested alot of freelancers who have other STD so that DIA girl is not clean either.
I live with my gf they live in a very strict lifestyle, I test my gfs and check them regulary,
[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1350830]I meet a punter this month who had been to AC and did not use a condom now has genital warts, he said he noticed a blister and now it full blown. Herpes and warts are 2 std I know bar girls have more and more but never get tested for, getting them stops you from enjoying the rest of your holiday. I have tested alot of freelancers who have other STD so that DIA girl is not clean either.[/QUOTE]On my second trip to AC I did a rare thing and took the same girl from the disco who I had known from my first trip. She was without a doubt the best performer that I have had in AC to date. With her anything went. On my first trip I remember her insisting that I fuck her in the ass. She said that she became a 3-holer when an Arab guy gave her 10000 pesos for it.
So this trip we were getting all cozy in the bed and the fireworks were about to pop off. Something told me to look down. She had genital warts all around her bunghole. I jacked off into her mouth, gave her 1000 pesos and explained to her that her first priority the next day was to go see a doctor about that shit. Whether she ever did is anybody's guess.
[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1350830]I meet a punter this month who had been to AC and did not use a condom now has genital warts, he said he noticed a blister and now it full blown. Herpes and warts are 2 std I know bar girls have[/QUOTE]Some weeks ago, a mamasan told me the rate of STD's in AC has skyrocketed with the arrival of the Koreans.
Having done lots of BB in AC, these days I don't do it anymore. Safe instead of sorry.
Enjoy!
IDK.
Genital warts are caused by HPV. Every human on earth has some form of HPV, usually multiple. Some lead to warts (on hands, feet or genitals depending on the type) , most do not. Some people will get warts from a form of HPV that will not cause anything in another person. Some people will only ever have one outbreak, some will get them continually. Some people have a strong immune system that will drive any HPV they acquire into immediate and lasting remission. Some will never be able to defeat it.
Genital warts don't cause a single blister. They cause. Warts on the genitals.
Condom use doesn't prevent the spread of HPV, especially not the forms that causes genital warts. It is spread through skin to skin contact and shedding, namely at the base of the penis, which is not covered by a condom (but is covered by the liquids of any girl you dip your wick into).
Many girls in AC have herpes. I used to date a girl who told me her best 2 friends who worked at the same bar were upset they couldn't get any barfines for at least a week because they were having outbreaks. Then again. 85 percent of people on earth have herpes 1 or 2. Same as with HPV, some show, some don't, some show every few weeks, some every week, etc.
Luckily neither of these is too serious. For men, mainly just a cosmetic problem.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1350913]IDK.
Genital warts are caused by HPV. Every human on earth has some form of HPV, usually multiple. Some lead to warts (on hands, feet or genitals depending on the type) , most do not. Some people will get warts from a form of HPV that will not cause anything in another person. Some people will only ever have one outbreak, some will get them continually. Some people have a strong immune system that will drive any HPV they acquire into immediate and lasting remission. Some will never be able to defeat it.
Genital warts don't cause a single blister. They cause. Warts on the genitals.
Condom use doesn't prevent the spread of HPV, especially not the forms that causes genital warts. It is spread through skin to skin contact and shedding, namely at the base of the penis, which is not covered by a condom (but is covered by the liquids of any girl you dip your wick into).
Many girls in AC have herpes. I used to date a girl who told me her best 2 friends who worked at the same bar were upset they couldn't get any barfines for at least a week because they were having outbreaks. Then again. 85 percent of people on earth have herpes 1 or 2. Same as with HPV, some show, some don't, some show every few weeks, some every week, etc.
Luckily neither of these is too serious. For men, mainly just a cosmetic problem.[/QUOTE]Very well said! I've had a scare in the past and it's not a good feeling. So I did lot's and lot's of research and I can safely say, I'm satisfied with the answers I found. You've pretty much it the nail with all the points you made. Warts and Herpes aren't as dangerous to men as they're to women! With that in mind, I'm still more cautious about wrapping my junior up and also taking the time to see if the girls have any outbreaks.
Also, after every mongering trip, I always get tested for everything. The one scare that I had a while back, I was actually diagnosed with fallacious. Just an issue with the pores where your pubic hairs come from.
YG
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1350913]Condom use doesn't prevent the spread of HPV, especially not the forms that causes genital warts. It is spread through skin to skin contact and shedding, namely at the base of the penis, which is not covered by a condom (but is covered by the liquids of any girl you dip your wick into).[/QUOTE]The moral to the story is choose your girls carefully and look before you dive in. Life is a risk.
[QUOTE=Ekspat; 1350901]Some weeks ago, a mamasan told me the rate of STD's in AC has skyrocketed with the arrival of the Koreans.
Having done lots of BB in AC, these days I don't do it anymore. Safe instead of sorry.
Enjoy![/QUOTE]IMHO you cannot blame it on only Koreans. Mongers from all countries bareback in angeles. Even the girls go straight to BB without even mentioning condom. Couple of years age when you barfine a girl waitress used to give a condom when you leave. Did not see that this time. All girls I met told me it is ok as long as they wash after. This shows how much they know of STD. Health check is a joke.
Some pussies really smell bad even after a shower. One girl I barfined a while ago was even suprised when I told her she has some kind of infection and I do not want to fuck her. She took it as an insult.
Fucking mongers day in and day out BB is sure to cause problems.
Even my so called regular girls I met in dating sites never asked me to use condoms in Phi. Thailand is 50. China 100.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1232899]Well the basic point of the study was that circumcision reduces H-IV transmission almost as much as using a condom does. And my point was. If you are circumcised AND use a condom. You're pretty bulletproof. Nothing is 100. Lightning does strike some people.
As far as Herpes though. I am friends with a very intelligent, college educated escort who takes her job seriously and her health VERY seriously. She's been in the business for over ten years. Seen literally thousands of customers and has never caught a single sexually transmitted infection. Basically. The sex is always covered and if she spots a lesion on a man's penis. There's no sex happening at all. She's pretty good at spotting too. I told her."But, but. They can shed the virus without lesions!". Her response."Oh yeah, sure. That's what the Doc's say." Essentially she says that prostitutes have become their own "testing laboratory" on herpes and found that Herpes is transmitted very rarely. If ever. Without the presence of lesions. If you look at the infection rates of married couples where one spouse has herpes. You'll see it takes a lot of sex for the virus to transmit. It's not just a case of "Oh shit, I fingered her and then wiped it on my dick without thinking!" (which has happened to me! LOL). It takes more than that.
Also. According to her BBBJ are okay. And she performs them all the time. It's not easy to pass STD orally at all and, if a woman doesn't swallow and keeps the stuff out of her throat. Then the chance even dives lower.
I'm not saying to have casual sex without being safe. Take the precautions, if you want a covered BJ go for it. But a lot of the hype is just that. It's hype to scare people away from what many consider to be an illegal and unwanted social evil. Prostitution and mongering.[/QUOTE]Thanks you comments from your friend were a great help.
[QUOTE=Sammon; 1350999]IMHO you cannot blame it on only Koreans. Mongers from all countries bareback in angeles. Even the girls go straight to BB without even mentioning condom. Couple of years age when you barfine a girl waitress used to give a condom when you leave. Did not see that this time. All girls I met told me it is ok as long as they wash after. This shows how much they know of STD. Health check is a joke.
Some pussies really smell bad even after a shower. One girl I barfined a while ago was even suprised when I told her she has some kind of infection and I do not want to fuck her. She took it as an insult.
Fucking mongers day in and day out BB is sure to cause problems.
Even my so called regular girls I met in dating sites never asked me to use condoms in Phi. Thailand is 50. China 100.[/QUOTE]Pretty much every girl I fucked my last time out had a stink pussy. I couldn't even dip my fingers in because when I went missionary, I had to smell my fingers which I leave around her head. LOL. All of them also allowed me to go BB, which I was dumb for doing.
YG
Herpes is very contagious disease. Do not under estimate it. If there are no lesions, it could be less. But the virus stays in the nerve roots and get activated. The only person who will know is the person suffering from it because he can sense it once its coming. For us, it would be impossible to predict.
And its not curable. Its extremely depressing and I have seen people affected mentally by it for life. Do not take it easy.
Here comes the worst part. Condoms don't prevent it. The disease is spread by skin to skin contact and not by body fluids. So a girl could have the skin rash in her buttock or groin or lower abdominal area and condom would not cover it.
The best precautionary measure is.
1. Look before you fuck. Look at the skin. Not justt the vaginal area but also ass, butts, abdomen, upper thighs. If anything suspicious, walk away. You don't want this deadly incurable disease.
2. If your wife has it, put her on valtrex for ever. This is the most best method. Obviously it only works with wife and girl friends and not with working girls on the street or the club chicas.
3. This is crazy but one should do it. Fuck with underwear on. Use condom. Make sure there is no skin contact. We should do this more often with streetwalkers where there is higher chance of STDs. More so in mexico where gilrs don't have much money to get diagnosed and treated.
[QUOTE=AntonD;1351032]Thanks you comments from your friend were a great help.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1232899]Well the basic point of the study was that circumcision reduces H-IV transmission almost as much as using a condom does. And my point was. If you are circumcised AND use a condom. You're pretty bulletproof. Nothing is 100. Lightning does strike some people.
This is untrue. I would like to look at the study. And if the study says so, then we need to look into more details of the study including the sample, the statistical methods used, bias in the study, and possible errors in the sample itself. Studies like these need to verified again and again.
I agree that circumcision reduces the risk. But it cannot be in par with the condom.
[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1351096]Herpes is very contagious disease. Do not under estimate it. If there are no lesions, it could be less. But the virus stays in the nerve roots and get activated. The only person who will know is the person suffering from it because he can sense it once its coming. For us, it would be impossible to predict.
And its not curable. Its extremely depressing and I have seen people affected mentally by it for life. Do not take it easy.
Here comes the worst part. Condoms don't prevent it. The disease is spread by skin to skin contact and not by body fluids. So a girl could have the skin rash in her buttock or groin or lower abdominal area and condom would not cover it.
The best precautionary measure is.
1. Look before you fuck. Look at the skin. Not justt the vaginal area but also ass, butts, abdomen, upper thighs. If anything suspicious, walk away. You don't want this deadly incurable disease.
2. If your wife has it, put her on valtrex for ever. This is the most best method. Obviously it only works with wife and girl friends and not with working girls on the street or the club chicas.
3. This is crazy but one should do it. Fuck with underwear on. Use condom. Make sure there is no skin contact. We should do this more often with streetwalkers where there is higher chance of STDs. More so in mexico where gilrs don't have much money to get diagnosed and treated.[/QUOTE]Well I guess it is time to hang it up if you are this paranoid. Keep it in your pants or a life of beating off for now on'
Who said I am paranoid. I am only giving you facts. There are people out there who need to know the truth. Not all of them know the facts like you or me.
[QUOTE=GolfSexRroll;1351108]Well I guess it is time to hang it up if you are this paranoid. Keep it in your pants or a life of beating off for now on'[/QUOTE]
I too ran into a plethora of bad smelling pussies the last time I was in AC. When I reported that here, people said I must have been having bad luck.
The irony is that most / many Western mongerers also have little grasp of modern scientific knowledge of sexually transmitted infections.
A bad smell is almost never an indication of an infection (or more specifically, an STI which should concern a man). That smell is a result of a PH imbalance, usually caused by bacterial vaginosis which is common among sexually active women.
Of course it's quite possible that the same girl who has this sort of infection could also have an STI, but the one is no indication of the other. The most dangerous thing about STIs is that in fact you cannot usually tell by a simply glance if a person is infected or not (except in case of an outbreak of the two STIs that are least harmful to men).
Douching and feminine washes and sprays can reduce or even eliminate these smells for a while (which is why savy working girls in Thailand use them. Rarely a bad smell there!) , but in reality they prolong the imbalance and require the girl to keep using the product. The only thing that actually works is a product marketed in America as "Rephresh".
Antibiotics are the recommended treatment for bacterial vaginosis. A few antibiotic remedies are routinely used. Metronidazole (Flagyl) taken by either oral (pill) form or by vaginal metronidazole gel (Metrogel) is an effective cure. Also available is the vaginal clindamycin cream (Cleocin). The oral metronidazole can cause some minor but unpleasant side effects, but is believed to be the most effective treatment. The gels do not typically cause side effects, although yeast vaginitis can occur as a side effect of the medication.
They get the pill or the gel. I find it common in the freelancers, I always have the pills and tell them to take 2 a day for 5-7 days, the pills make them sick so they have to rest. Point is guys they are fucking men every day the same guys who post here, I find the guys who pm or tell me they have a std never post about it publicly, this is why I have 12 gfs I prefer to not use freelancers I seen how fast they get std once I treate them, some I send to the doctor, all freelancers I inspect and still use a condom.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1351185]I too ran into a plethora of bad smelling pussies the last time I was in AC. When I reported that here, people said I must have been having bad luck.
The irony is that most / many Western mongerers also have little grasp of modern scientific knowledge of sexually transmitted infections.
A bad smell is almost never an indication of an infection (or more specifically, an STI which should concern a man). That smell is a result of a PH imbalance, usually caused by bacterial vaginosis which is common among sexually active women.
Of course it's quite possible that the same girl who has this sort of infection could also have an STI, but the one is no indication of the other. The most dangerous thing about STIs is that in fact you cannot usually tell by a simply glance if a person is infected or not (except in case of an outbreak of the two STIs that are least harmful to men).
Douching and feminine washes and sprays can reduce or even eliminate these smells for a while (which is why savy working girls in Thailand use them. Rarely a bad smell there!) , but in reality they prolong the imbalance and require the girl to keep using the product. The only thing that actually works is a product marketed in America as "Rephresh".[/QUOTE]Ic Ic. Remind me to buy a handful of Rephresh the next time I head out LOL. I always thought it was because of an Yeast Infection, UTI, or too much fish soup (Sinagon) LOL.
[QUOTE=YG365;1350925]I'm still more cautious about wrapping my junior up and also taking the time to see if the girls have any outbreaks.[/QUOTE]Herpes simplex type 2 can be spread when there is no active outbreak. As Rock correctly explains, a person with herpes is "shedding" the virus from the surface of the skin even when no blisters are showing. And, as he again explains correctly, the shedding can be from the skin around the opening of the vagina where the base of the penis, which is not usually covered by a condom, makes contact.
The problem with those medications is that they wipe out all flora, not just the bacteria causing the odor. They can also lead to resistance of other, much more dangerous infection agents. That's why they are not recommended in many countries with advanced health care systems.
BV isn't completely understood, even by the medical community. It's believed that it's a result of an imbalance, not an outside infection. That is, it's like a yeast infection. Yeast is ALWAYS present in a woman's vagina. The problem comes when the amount of yeast grows too high and outnumbers everything else. And the two are often confused for each other, with similar symptoms. Up to half of the women treating for yeast infections actually have BV.
The good thing is that BV causes no problems other than the odor mentioned, for men or women. It usually goes away after a woman has her period, which helps restore balance. Of course it often comes back and they practice the same habits (sexual activity, foreign objects inside that are not clean, wearing thongs, wiping from back to front, etc).
If it's a big problem for you, stock up on Rephresh and bring it over with you. Maybe you can start an NGO and raise money to Save the Endangered Pinay Pussy.
[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1351225]Herpes simplex type 2 can be spread when there is no active outbreak. As Rock correctly explains, a person with herpes is "shedding" the virus from the surface of the skin even when no blisters are showing. And, as he again explains correctly, the shedding can be from the skin around the opening of the vagina where the base of the penis, which is not usually covered by a condom, makes contact.[/QUOTE]Yep, it definitely can. So can the other form. Incidentally, both forms can cause outbreaks on either the mouth or the genitals. It's not the case as some believe that one form attacks only the genitals and the other attacks only the mouth. If you've had a cold sore, you have one or both forms. Even if you haven't, you probably do. Your immune system is just strong enough to repress it.
The good news is that it's not harmful for men. It's been around for as long as we humans have and only became a major issue with the moral panic that broke out (pun intended) in the 80's. Before that it wasn't even considered something to seek treatment for. More good news, it most often spreads during an outbreak, so you at least have a chance at noticing it beforehand. (Though with the drunken stupor I see a lot of punters living in while in AC, that's probably not going to happen).
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1350913]Genital warts don't cause a single blister. They cause. Warts on the genitals.[/QUOTE]Had a few back in the mid-80s. Military co-workers showed no sympathy and accused me of fucking frogs. Doctor held me by the fore skin and dabbed the little buggers with a few drops of liquid nitrogen. Burned like a house afire and no sex for 10 days but that cured them. Same treatment for some planters warts on my feet.
[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1350541]As others have commented guys have different views about spreading their seed willy nilly. Some take the cynical though perhaps rational view that these girls will get pregnant with someone in any case so they may as well have their fun if there are no consequences. As someone else commented, I personally would not like the idea of having a child of mine brought up in poverty by a single Pinay mum relying on hooking to buy the essentials for the kid.
I remember meeting a tall blonde girl in a Sihanoukville Vietnamese brothel some years ago. Though she spoke almost no English she was a really nice and passionate girl. One day she brought her little box containing more or less her only valuables with her. She showed me the faded passport size photo of a Canadian guy in a red lumberjack shirt which is all she knew about her father though she seemed to be convinced he was a good guy who she loved, despite the slender evidence that he had many admirable qualities.[/QUOTE]My boss was Air Force, stationed in Korea 20-some years ago. They used to be in Angeles all the time (for work) , and he barebacked girls all the time. He's certain he must have a least a couple of kids there. He still goes to Angeles once or twice a year and he won't get with a half white girl there because he's worried about sleeping with his daughter.
[QUOTE=Nvslim;1351375]Military co-workers showed no sympathy and accused me of fucking frogs. Doctor held me by the fore skin and dabbed the little buggers with a few drops of liquid nitrogen.[/QUOTE]Nitrogen is the cat's meow for virtually any solid skin lesion except malignant tumors. Absent having your own source of liquid nitrogen (a logistical nightmare) , Podophylline 0. 5% cream works great on warts applied judiciously and strictly by prescribed directions.
On HSV, yes you can get oral lesions from dining on HSV II (genital) BUT these are NOT lasting and HSV II (genital) does NOT take permanent residence in the mouth. Continued low dose acyclovir (e. G. Valtrex) does a good job at reducing or eliminating flare ups and shedding.
On other viruses (these "gifts that keep giving") ; most forms of sexually transmitted hepatitis (esp B and C) are rarely if ever transmitted by conventional heterosex including DATY. You can get a very effective vaccine for Hep B and within the last year the US FDA has approved virtually curative drugs / combo therapies for Hep C.
HIV: Not only is this a poorly transmitted virus for conventional heterosex, but large studies in the last 18 months essentially have proven that with taking retroviral agents following seroconversion (e. G. Positive HIV test) , HIV does NOT progress to AIDS. This is in contrast to the former and current pervasive standard of care of prescribing retroviral agents only after HIV has begun its progression to immunodepletion and AIDS.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1350999]IMHO you cannot blame it on only Koreans. Mongers from all countries bareback in angeles.[/QUOTE]Very true, including myself until 2010 or so. It's just what a mamasan told me.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Yibkeith;1351633]My boss was Air Force, stationed in Korea 20-some years ago. They used to be in Angeles all the time (for work) , and he barebacked girls all the time. He's certain he must have a least a couple of kids there. He still goes to Angeles once or twice a year and he won't get with a half white girl there because he's worried about sleeping with his daughter.[/QUOTE]Wow, what a fucking humanitarian.
[QUOTE=Pete Benetar; 1351761]Nitrogen is the cat's meow for virtually any solid skin lesion except malignant tumors. Absent having your own source of liquid nitrogen (a logistical nightmare) , Podophylline 0. 5% cream works great on warts applied judiciously and strictly by prescribed directions.
On HSV, yes you can get oral lesions from dining on HSV II (genital) BUT these are NOT lasting and HSV II (genital) does NOT take permanent residence in the mouth. Continued low dose acyclovir (e. G. Valtrex) does a good job at reducing or eliminating flare ups and shedding.[/QUOTE]Huh? When HSV 2 goes into neural ganglia (latency) it typically takes up residence in the sacral ganglia. But not always. Outbreaks can happen theoretically anywhere.
[quote]HIV: Not only is this a poorly transmitted virus for conventional heterosex, but large studies in the last 18 months essentially have proven that with taking retroviral agents following seroconversion (e. G. Positive HIV test) , HIV does NOT progress to AIDS. This is in contrast to the former and current pervasive standard of care of prescribing retroviral agents only after HIV has begun its progression to immunodepletion and AIDS.[/QUOTE]Eh, I'd rather stay HIV free and not have to worry about it. And note too that some strains of HIV have higher hetero-sex transmission rates than others. The strain most prominent in SE Asia for example.
[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1351891]Eh, I'd rather stay HIV free and not have to worry about it. And note too that some strains of HIV have higher hetero-sex transmission rates than others. The strain most prominent in SE Asia for example.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Good hygene and safe sex in particular are critical in my book.
Who knows if there is a new nasty virus out there, I don't want to be on the bleeding edge of infection to be studied after I catch it! Remember the first victims of AIDS? The people who were having unprotected sex with multiple partners.
Also, bugs in general are getting more and more resistant to known antibiotics all the time. As far as I know there hasn't been any new antibiotics released for 10-20 years, so once syphllis / gonners / etc becomes less susceptable to the heavy hitters we have left we are no better off than they were in 1900.
FWIW, look at how Hep D makes Hep B worse. And how some virii cause cancer. The thought of a new bug that combines with one of the common ones and causes.say- pancreatic or bowel cancer is pretty scary. Especially if people are laughing off the consequences of STIs we know about. I'm confident what we know about medical risks is just scratching the surface of what's out there.
I don't want to preach, but being on the safe side is smarter than finding out the hard way.