[QUOTE=Big30;1115955]It is getting more and more a trend and pressure is increasing on the girls to go further and further.[/QUOTE]It has been around since Atlantis days, for years.
HB
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[QUOTE=Big30;1115955]It is getting more and more a trend and pressure is increasing on the girls to go further and further.[/QUOTE]It has been around since Atlantis days, for years.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1115956]It has been around since Atlantis days, for years.
HB[/QUOTE]Yes, The problem is it is getting more and more a trend and people do not care about it anymore. The fact that is has been around for many years says nothing about the moral perception about it. Crime has also been around as long as mankind was there ... .
[QUOTE=Big30;1115960]Yes, The problem is it is getting more and more a trend and people do not care about it anymore. The fact that is has been around for many years says nothing about the moral perception about it. Crime has also been around as long as mankind was there ... .[/QUOTE]Hi Big30.
I am glad I am not the only one who feels strongly about this subject. However, I fear we may be in a minority. If you read the posts in the PT section you will see that AO lovers are probably dominant on that thread. We now have an AO club listed on this thread.
I don't know that its really getting a lot worse in the mainstream FKKs. It has been a common "manic" upsell in the big three Hessen clubs for as long as I can remember. I would even argue that the situation at World was worse a few years ago, and that the current girls are better behaved than they were. But that could just be chance, and my own more careful preselection.
For some reason, I have been offered AO far less at the major clubs in NRW, and never at GT. Again I don't know if this is significant, or just the luck of the draw.
The (to me) unpalatable reality is that there is a real demand out there, and there will always be girls who are desperate enough to meet that demand, and even to solicit it. Its a fact, and we are stuck with it, whatever our personal views on the subject might be.
PL
[QUOTE=Plover 23; 1115973]Hi Big30.
I am glad I am not the only one who feels strongly about this subject. However, I fear we may be in a minority. If you read the posts in the PT section you will see that AO lovers are probably dominant on that thread. We now have an AO club listed on this thread.
I don't know that its really getting a lot worse in the mainstream FKKs. It has been a common "manic" upsell in the big three Hessen clubs for as long as I can remember. I would even argue that the situation at World was worse a few years ago, and that the current girls are better behaved than they were. But that could just be chance, and my own more careful preselection.
For some reason, I have been offered AO far less at the major clubs in NRW, and never at GT. Again I don't know if this is significant, or just the luck of the draw.
The (to me) unpalatable reality is that there is a real demand out there, and there will always be girls who are desperate enough to meet that demand, and even to solicit it. Its a fact, and we are stuck with it, whatever our personal views on the subject might be.
PL[/QUOTE]Must be me. I have been going to the clubs for a long time and have never been offered AO. It could be the type of girls I choose to go with.
[QUOTE=Akibono;1116042]have never been offered AO. It could be the type of girls I choose to go with.[/QUOTE]Believe me, it's not. I can tell you that you have been with quite a few girls that do offer AO. Not for money. I've NEVER had the situation in a FKK club that a girl actively did offer AO as an extra or upsell.
And. Just use a condom, it's your choice.
HB
[QUOTE=Stifler; 1115947]Hi,
Does anyone know what the name of this girl might be? She is Romanian, brown eyes, brown hair, somewhat curly hair, natural body and 22 years old.
I could write a report about my day there later, but I'm afraid it would be a bit depressing and uneventful.
Anyways, would really appreciate if someone could help me with this one.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Stifler,
Maybe someone else can help you find your girl. The description you give should help. I guess you never remembered her name and never used her name in conversation.
As for your report I think there will be many here who would appreciate your views on the club. It may not be as depressing or uneventful as you may think since there is something to write about.
Also, think on the fact that others can learn from you sharing your story. There is a positive in that which can balance the somewhat negatives that you feel.
I hope that you do write your story Stifler.
Thank you,
What does "AO" stand for?
It's not in the abbreviation section of this site.
It's too short to be searched for.
Googled but found nothing useful.
Yes, did try!
Ciao
Go ahead Stifler,
The purpose of this forum is to exchange views, both positive and negative.
BRGD.
[QUOTE=Stifler; 1115947]Hi,
Does anyone know what the name of this girl might be? She is Romanian, brown eyes, brown hair, somewhat curly hair, natural body and 22 years old.
I could write a report about my day there later, but I'm afraid it would be a bit depressing and uneventful.
Anyways, would really appreciate if someone could help me with this one.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1116113]What does "AO" stand for?
It's not in the abbreviation section of this site.
It's too short to be searched for.
Googled but found nothing useful.
Yes, did try!
Ciao[/QUOTE]Alles Ohne or barback sex. Not for the feint of heart. I was one time perhaps offered it at Artemis. I say perhaps because the girl said something which could have been interpreted as an offer, I was not sure due to my bad German. I just let it slide and covered up. Other than that the girls are scrupulous about condoms at Artemis IME. Of course though one never knows what goes on. I doubt many girls would do it for money though. I always wonder, if she did, what recourse she would have if the punter then refuses to pay. She could not take it to management after all. So I guess if it is offered it is offered only to very well known guests.
Artemis aside, in Berlin there is plenty of bareback sex on offer if one knows where to look and the clues that are used.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1116127]Alles Ohne or barback sex. Not for the feint of heart. I was one time perhaps offered it at Artemis. I say perhaps because the girl said something which could have been interpreted as an offer, I was not sure due to my bad German. I just let it slide and covered up. Other than that the girls are scrupulous about condoms at Artemis IME. Of course though one never knows what goes on. I doubt many girls would do it for money though. I always wonder, if she did, what recourse she would have if the punter then refuses to pay. She could not take it to management after all. So I guess if it is offered it is offered only to very well known guests.
Artemis aside, in Berlin there is plenty of bareback sex on offer if one knows where to look and the clues that are used. [/QUOTE]thanks!
Couple of girls told me that "some other girls" where doing that with regulars at Artemis.
Didn't pay much attention to that.
I won't be surprise if a lot of men are asking for that though.
Beats me.
Ciao
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1116106]Believe me, it's not. I can tell you that you have been with quite a few girls that do offer AO. Not for money. I've NEVER had the situation in a FKK club that a girl actively did offer AO as an extra or upsell.
And. Just use a condom, it's your choice.
HB[/QUOTE]Hi HB,
Your response shocked me, so I have tried to think through whether I have been mistaken.
Since I have never taken up an AO offer, or even done AO in P4P, I must accept I cannot directly vouch what would happen if I accepted such an apparent offer. Also, on this side of the argument, I disagreed with Big30 whether this is a fast growing problem rather than something that has always been in the background. I said that because I have not in the last year, maybe two years, had any offer (in a topflight FKK) that I would construe as an invitation to AO. I have been exposed to such offers at some smaller venues to which I shall not return.
However, even upon reflection, I cannot find any different interpretation.
Firstly, the offer is always slightly ambiguous. Have you ever been offered as part of an upsell that "you can come anywhere you like", or "do you want to come in my ass", or "pussy"? The latter option gives it away since, if covered, this would obviously be included in a normal session.
An obvious example that you may know is of Gabriella "from Greece" at World a while ago. Her blatant upselling could not be construed in any other way. For me, it turned the session into a very unpleasant experience. A short while after my session with her there was a report on here by an American who had a session with a girl that matched both her physical description and MO. Unlike me, he thought it was Christmas: described graphically how he splurged in her ass; and thought he had a bargain for the €500 or whatever he paid her. There is a more recent report here of a girl being ejected from World having conducted a public bareback session in the kino. If she thought she could get away with bareback in public, can you imagine that she would be more restrained in private?
It is hard to draw general conclusions, because the codewords and cues are not usually explicit, and since it is not discussed, it is just chance (and judgment) whether one ends up in a session with a girl of this ilk.
I have tried to give a balanced response. This is a touchy subject between those (the probable majority on this thread) who dislike AO, and those (a sizeable number of the neighbouring thread) who are actively seeking this service.
So, I shall shut up now.
Have Fun,
PL
January's MIA (Monger I Admire) is finally posted. Have a look.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?p=705[/url]
AM
"I don't understand. You've been to Artemis once and you are submitting a list with votes on what. 100 girls?
I really feel this is totally useless and must agree with what Angus and B30 said.
Ciao "
and comments like Angus or B30
For cryin out loud!
This LIST is NOT for someone to WALK AROUND WITH! You have to take the effort to learn it (a bit of effort, but worth it) and then be remarkably polite to those whom you know are sharks. You can just learn the list of sharks, or as I did, both the sharks and the star performers. This tactic has worked for me. I dont know about the rest of you, but personally, I would rather buy a bottle of fine whiskey tthan give 60 euros to a girl for half an hour of lifeless sex. If a shark approaches you, you just politely decline. It is just a guideline not a fail safe list. NEVER, and I cant stress this enough, treat any girl badly!
It just summarises the information on this board. Of course I HAVE NOT slept with all the girls..............I just went through all the reports posted here diligently, and made an excel sheet based on all the information. The comments are cut and pasted from this board, including the comments of Angus!
SORRY PLEASE IGNORE THE REVISED ALPHABETICAL LIST. ALL THE INFORMATION IS JUMBLED UP. PLEASE USE THE ORIGINAL LIST. Please remember it is a guideline, but if someone like Lynn, or Naomi, or Isabella has sharked multiple times based on reports here, it is not likely that you are going to be the first that she is really nice with.
[QUOTE=Mr Styles; 1116263]"I don't understand. You've been to Artemis once and you are submitting a list with votes on what. 100 girls?
I really feel this is totally useless and must agree with what Angus and B30 said.
Ciao "
And comments like Angus or B30.
For cryin out loud!
This LIST is NOT for someone to WALK AROUND WITH! You have to take the effort to learn it (a bit of effort, but worth it) and then be remarkably polite to those whom you know are sharks. You can just learn the list of sharks, or as I did, both the sharks and the star performers. This tactic has worked for me. I don't know about the rest of you, but personally, I would rather buy a bottle of fine whiskey that give it to a girl for half an hour of lifeless sex. If a shark approaches you, you just politely decline. It is just a guideline not a fail safe list. NEVER, and I can't stress this enough, treat any girl badly!
It just summarises the information on this board. Of course I HAVE NOT slept with all the girls. I just went through all the reports posted here diligently, and made an excel sheet based on all the information. The comments are cut and pasted from this board, including the comments of Angus!
Finally, in the revised list, I have tabulated the data in alphabetical order. Please remember it is a guideline, but if someone like Lynn, or Naomi, or Isabella has sharked multiple times based on reports here, it is not likely that you are going to be the first that she is really nice with. [/QUOTE]Read a few of the comments and info on the girls and IMO the list is crap!
Copy and pasting with no criteria or not balancing the context is useless, IMO.
Ciao
[QUOTE=Mr Styles; 1116263]For cryin out loud!
This LIST is NOT for someone to WALK AROUND WITH! You have to take the effort to learn it (a bit of effort, but worth it) and then be remarkably polite to those whom you know are sharks. You can just learn the list of sharks, or as I did, both the sharks and the star performers. This tactic has worked for me. I don't know about the rest of you, but personally, I would rather buy a bottle of fine whiskey tthan give 60 euros to a girl for half an hour of lifeless sex. If a shark approaches you, you just politely decline. It is just a guideline not a fail safe list. NEVER, and I can't stress this enough, treat any girl badly!
It just summarises the information on this board. Of course I HAVE NOT slept with all the girls. I just went through all the reports posted here diligently, and made an excel sheet based on all the information. The comments are cut and pasted from this board, including the comments of Angus!
Finally, in the revised list, I have tabulated the data in alphabetical order. Please remember it is a guideline, but if someone like Lynn, or Naomi, or Isabella has sharked multiple times based on reports here, it is not likely that you are going to be the first that she is really nice with. [/QUOTE]Sorry if my judgement seemed harsh Mr Styles. I guess what I worry about is things taken out of context. By this I mean that in a written report one gets a sense of the writer and this helps me to put some context with judgements made about the girls. In a spread sheet all of that context is gone and the girls become names on a list. For me this in itself has a flavour of treating the girls as statistics rather than as human beings and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
This is the nature of my objection.
AM