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Stupid shit in Medellin
Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.
Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.
I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.
Here is the full article:
A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.
The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.
The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.
The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "
The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "
The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.
Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.
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[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.[/quote]Little hard to believe, considering the Mafia lives of the "drugs" that the prostitutes and their clients consume. It must be a new "marketting tool" to kill of your clientele! But then what do I know, I just live here!
Heard about the pamphlet in El Centro! Hate to break it to you Paraco Bob, but there is more police presence in El Centro and La Mayorista than anywhere in El poblado! The last time some "goody too shoes" handed pamphlets like that in Cartagena or Barranquilla, can't remember the exact city, the whole lot of them got their ass rolled off to Jail, and they were'nt the "Mafia" trying to kill off their own clients, just a group of "vigilantes" trying to scare of business!
Frank Casio!
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Thoughts on The Pamplet
So, I checked out reports of the pamphlet on PBH and ColombiaBlog. The report is legit. The pamphlet exists and has been around (at least first reported) for a week or so.
Any thoughts? I'm going soon and planning on going to clubs both pro and nonpro. I could live w/o nighttime sgs from poorer barrios, but the question is.- Am I pushing my luck? I mean, none of the strip clubs are in nice areas.
Anyone been out in the past couple of days to see if this is affecting activity at the clubs? I would think the girls would know better than the gringos if this was serious.
Ahh the timing. Aa.
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I've read about this social cleansing in some non-monger Colombia forums. I'm sure there's some of this going on, but I wonder if it'll go beyond the poorer neighborhoods into areas that gringo mongers haunt. The line about AIDS sounds like bs, this is about turf battles and asserting control over an area.
But if there's any place that needs social cleansing it's probably Centro, LOL! I know some guys here have praised Centro, but I personally wouldn't hang there after dark even if there was no cleansing campaign. Sounds really seedy and crazy.
Hopefully, some guys from the forum that live there can keep us updated with the "on the ground" situation. I think everyone should be concerned about security issues in general. As the global economy continues to go down the tubes and starts to affect Colombia, the chances of getting robbed/hurt/killed go up even without this scenario of being caught in the middle of a "social cleansing" sweep.
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[QUOTE=Frank Casio]I've never heard of one crime occurring in this section in all my time there, and much less against a "gringo"![/QUOTE]I live here too. Paisas consider la Mayorista dangerous.
This social cleansing thing is no joke. It has been around for a lot of years and is not going away any time soon.
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Not a good idea,
Yes, I live in MDE and it is now a city that is being swept by violence and rumors of social clean up crews doing the work of the mobs. I do not think it is a good time to vist here, but if you must, limit you're activity to the higher end casas in the stratus 6 areas. Phase Dose and the San Diego show will most likely not be affected as they are mob run and hang outs for the Jefes of the groups. It is a shame but not worth the loss of you're life or kidnapped for some stupid social reason. My 2 Cents, and keep the gringo trademark sandals and cut offs to a minimum along with loud noisey outburst and high fives from drunken buddies in Clubs or, tell Ricky Bobby not to speak english loudly as if were a broadcast companies Friday nite at the races commercial, he is a sure hit. , Americans, we do stand out don't we.
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[QUOTE=Angryant]So, I checked out reports of the pamphlet on PBH and ColombiaBlog. The report is legit. The pamphlet exists and has been around (at least first reported) for a week or so.
Any thoughts? I'm going soon and planning on going to clubs both pro and nonpro. I could live w/o nighttime sgs from poorer barrios, but the question is.- Am I pushing my luck? I mean, none of the strip clubs are in nice areas.
Anyone been out in the past couple of days to see if this is affecting activity at the clubs? I would think the girls would know better than the gringos if this was serious.
Ahh the timing. Aa.[/QUOTE]Honestly, if you blend in very well, you should have be fine. If you are an obvious monger and or obvious extranjero, I would not tempt my fate.
I've lived in el DF (Mexico City) for quite some time and even though I can pass as a local in most Latin American countries, I would not go back to Mexico City (and most other parts of Mexico) until this situation is cleaned up).
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[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.
Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.
I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.
Here is the full article:
A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.
The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.
The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.
The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "
The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "
The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.
Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.[/QUOTE]I will bet my bottom dollar that this is that codepink guy rearing his ugly head again. I specifically remember him writing la mayorista with a "j" like majorista instead of the "y". As far as the validity of the flyer, I'll believe it when a seasoned monger receives one and puts a copy of it up in here, not some putz with a whole 1 post. LOL
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Social Cleansing in Parque Lleras not La Mayorista !
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I live here too. Paisas consider la Mayorista dangerous.
This social cleansing thing is no joke. It has been around for a lot of years and is not going away any time soon.[/QUOTE]So who are the people who live in Itagui/La Mayorista, El Centro, Sabaneta, Envigado, non-Paisas? Of course if you live in a very rich or high end area, of any city in the World, you're going to consider a poorer area scary and dangerous ! People fear what they don't know, that's perfectly normal! We all used to be afraid to come to Colombia because of all the stories, and it being a third World Country and all, and we found a "Paradise"! People that don't believe, are loosing out on this Medellin Paradise!
Well, people who don't want to believe about La Mayorista, are also loosing out on another part of the Medellin Paradise on the Cheap-N-Good, and are paying more than necessary! I suspect that some of these guys writing lies about La Mayorista have vested interests, and either own rental properties in El Poblado or own businesses and are trying to protect them from the competition !
If there is any cleansing, it's going on in Parque Lleras and El Poblado! Where did the last robberry at gun point occurred against Americans? Yes you got it, in El Poblado, right accross from the ritzy Oviedo Mall, the Medellin Mansion! Where was all the media focus recently against gringos? Yes, you're right again, Parque LLeras! Where was the location of the last place that shut down their Sunday BB-Qs with "gringos and cuties"! You are right again, Parque Lleras! I know you guys are really smart and can read through all the fear monguering!
I was just at La Mayorista Last night, impressive! Normally I quote 30% as cuties, last night on a rainy Tuesday night at least 50% of the ladies there were hotties, I was in "awe and shock"! As expressed by 4 other "gringos" that where their last night, their only problem was choosing the "cutie" for the night !
When El Centro is closing shop at 1AM, La Mayorista Strip is oppenning places where you don't pay extra for a girls drink, and where you can talk and dance until 4AM! There are 2 of these places now, with the 3rd being a 24/7, open day and night! Police in Motor Cycles all over the place day and night! Not to mention that a few of the Medellin Mansion cuties where hanging out there last night also!
My friend Rob (changed name to protect identity), a small guy, maybe 5'7/155 pnds. , blue eyed, balled, "gringo" looking, a mile away, World Traveller, first time in Medellin & La Mayorista, dissappeared on me for 3 hrs. As a worry, worry, I stayed up waiting for him until 4AM, and when I finally decided to hit the sack, I took a last look down my balcony, and there he was, standing with a girl, whom he later claimed entertained him all night ! She walked him around, purchased his drinks, without stealing any money, (something he monitored very closely, just in case) and she walked him back to the door!
He told me repeatedly that I did not have to worry about him, he likes being with regular folks like in La Mayorista and was thanking me all night for the great time he had, his very first night in Medllin. He arrived last night at 9:30 and hit the ground running! I had so much fun with him and with all the new "hotties" in La Mayorista, that after having spent a year with every "cutie" in La Mayorista, I became excited again about all the new prospects ! And also with the new "drink and dance" places that are now opened, "every day", until 4AM ! And, at normal prices ! Where "cuties" come in and out all night, and where you can sit, drink and party, before........!
I also helped some really nice, but huge, black guys score for the normal $25, 000cop! The girls where asking them $100,000cop! I guess cause they're a little afraid of the "big package" that they may carry! But once I explained to them that they were very gentle guys, no problema, they got the same deal as everybody else, at no charge from me! This is what I do, help men have fun! Even some of my girls have asked me, "what do you get out of all this, helping these guys have fun! " It's just what I do, I enjoy it, and I do most of it for free ! I love women, love sharing my knowledge, love helping "gringos" have fun here in this "Medellin Paradise", specially since I know American women are so screwed up!
Frank Casio!
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Didn´t Medellin Police Clean Escobar´s Clock ?
[QUOTE=Frank Casio]Little hard to believe, considering the Mafia lives of the "drugs" that the prostitutes and their clients consume. It must be a new "marketting tool" to kill of your clientele! But then what do I know, I just live here!
Heard about the pamphlet in El Centro! Hate to break it to you Paraco Bob, but there is more police presence in El Centro and La Mayorista than anywhere in El poblado! The last time some "goody too shoes" handed pamphlets like that in Cartagena or Barranquilla, can't remember the exact city, the whole lot of them got their ass rolled off to Jail, and they were'nt the "Mafia" trying to kill off their own clients, just a group of "vigilantes" trying to scare of business!
Frank Casio![/QUOTE]It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel. He uses the Military as Police in the whole country to fight even the all powerful FARC which used to dominate all the highways, back when nobody could leave the cities without putting themselves in danger! This was less than 8-10 years ago! That's why we are all here now, because the Military Police protects the whole country!
The same Military police that patrols all the highways and byways exiting the cities in Colombia, is the same Military police that patrols the streets in Medellin, keeping them safe! They're all over El Centro and La Mayorista, and they are not corrupt like in Costa Rica and Brazil where Americans are afraid of them! Often they go after the cocaine dealers to arrest them in front of everybody, never consumers, since there is a degree of tolerance towards consumption of Cocaine and Marihuana in small quantities ! They shake down the "traffickers", and unfortunately sometimes they do accept a little bribe here and there, they're not perfect, but they keep them on their toes! Not only don't they harrass the normal citizen, but protect them and are quick to response to any act of violence! Colombia's Military often moves their police force around, specially when they suspect that they're getting to "cozy" with the local drug dealers! They just re-shuffle them so they lose all of their connections, very smart!
Colombian police are taught to "serve and protect", from the Chief In Command, President Uribe, who, by the way, Colombians want to re-elect to a 3rd term, but unlike Chavez, Uribe, believes and respects "democracy"! The Military Police here is praised and encouraged to "Protect and Serve", and they take pride in doing this! They're hawks at protecting the subway system, I've been turn away at least once and questioned another time for looking a little "too tipsy"! They just told me to hop on a bus or a taxi where less restrictions apply! They were nice enough to direct me to the bus stop for Envigado from El Centro! This was at 4AM in the morning when the subway re-opens! I was being a "typical Paisa" and was trying to safe on the "Taxi Fare"!
This "Pride" to "Protect and Serve" comes straight from "The Top", from the man who destroyed the Cartels and saved and restored Colombia, Presidente Uribe! With a little help from good old USA (4 billion US$ given to President Uribe by the last administration to fight "terrorrism", and protect our "american's asses" down here), for which I'm thankfull for!
On a lighter note, my first house in El Trianon, Envigado was very closed to a house owned by Escobar's Mom! Escobar is now burried in Itagui, near La Mayorista and The International Club (Sriptease Bar)! When Escobar's entire Cartel was destroyed, many of the little shops in Envigado which where used to launder money for Escobar, found themselves with a business and cash that nobody ever claimed!
The cartel was wiped off the face of the Earth, and apparently the police didn't have enough records to know which businesses where legite, hence, a few locals, quite a few, found themselves set up for life! So in Envigado, a very quiet community, no prostitution, Zona Rosa "La Bota Del Dia", like Parque Lleras, you will never Know which shop owner once laundered for Escobar ! Many people did that "back in the days" (a little Lancaster,PA slang) !
Frank Casio!
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Nazis?
Sounds like the Nazis have finally made it to MDE! Or Castro will rise again! Maybe it is just Chavez extending his reach to Colombia via MDE. Could it be that South Africa has moved NW.
Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists?
Where is La Majorista anyway?
[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.
Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.
I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.
Here is the full article:
A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.
The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.
The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.
The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "
The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "
The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.
Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.[/QUOTE]
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Social Cleaning Update
I always get a laugh when I hear stupid gringos talking about safety issues in Colombia when they usually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
First, the government in Medellin is taking the social cleaning threat VERY seriously. The idiots here who are talking about how safe Mayorista and Central are must be smarter than the Medellin government and the Medellin police force.
Last night all the poor areas of the city had machine gun carrying police on every single corner. I know someone who lives in one of these areas and she said it looked like a war zone with so many police. This threat of social cleaning is REAL and is being treated as REAL by all aspects of law enforcement in Medellin. Do not let some stupid gringo tell you otherwise.
Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys.
No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed.
Now that an announcement has been made they are going to have to follow through in order to show they are serious. I suspect they will do some sort of drive-by shooting in Majorista or perhaps plant a bomb in one of the bars. They will do something fast and efficient in order to send the largest possible message and still get away. Also, you can be ASSURED that when the bullets start flying that the police on the street are going to be looking the other way. None of the bad guys are ever going to be caught. Remember, this IS Medellin. Never forget where you are.
As I said yesterday, it is time to start a dead-pool. My bets are on Frank or one of his clients. Who else is in?
Frank! One thing, I have been meaning to ask you, what is, your level, of education! ? I mean, you write, so, well, I guess so bad, that I, just have to ask? ! There is, no need, to write, like you do, if you went to, at least, level 5, in school. I find, what you write, hard to read!
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There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.
The reason they put this law into effect is to prevent drive-by killings. The common method to kill someone in Medellin is for two guys to drive up on a motorcycle. The guy on the back then pulls out a sub-machine gun and kills the victim.
The government is so concerned about violence right now in Medellin that they have taken this measure of banning all men on the backs of motorcycles. I would say this shows exactly how serious things are becoming.
I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are. But remember Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time. Smart Colombians think these areas are dangerous but dumb gringos think they are safe. Remember where the fuck you are.
I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia. The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit. But it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money. What you seek is eventually going to turn on you, and when it does, you will not have a second chance. If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are safe for poor gringos but stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.
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[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.[/QUOTE]Also in some places they prohibited any motorcyclists for 90 days.
A have not been to Mayorista, so can't say anything about it. A couple of times to Centro, at nite it does not look too good. Homeless people are sleeping on the street. Also taxi drivers warn you to watch your ass while there. And the girls there mostly are not good looking and sometimes drunk and nasty. So it is definitely not a fun place for a vacation. But during day Centro is ok.
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Frank, you are showing everyone here how clueless you indeed are. Pablo was only killed after hundreds and hundreds of people died. The Medellin police did not come in and kick his ass like you are making it sound. In fact, most people believe Los Pepes were American soldiers but that is up for speculation. Go read some fucking history before making these idiot comments.
To everyone else who knows the true history of Medellin, Frank has now publicly showed how clueless he is. Beware to anyone who takes his advice.
Also, there have been three girls killed already this week. The cleaning has begun.
[QUOTE=Frank Casio]It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel.[/QUOTE]
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The government put all the poor areas in lock-down last night. There are hundreds of additional police on the streets. There is a story of 3 girls being killed this week but I need confirmation. There is a new law that prohibits more than one male on a motorcycle. Things are changing fast!
The Medellin police are taking this very seriously. It is only a few gringos who are blowing this off as always.
My bets are on Majorista or Central getting hit first. If I was Frank I would be getting my ass out of the city until things blow over.
[QUOTE=Justafool]Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists? [/QUOTE]
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The Pamphlet, I have a Copy !
[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.
The reason they put this law into effect is to prevent drive-by killings. The common method to kill someone in Medellin is for two guys to drive up on a motorcycle. The guy on the back then pulls out a sub-machine gun and kills the victim.
The government is so concerned about violence right now in Medellin that they have taken this measure of banning all men on the backs of motorcycles. I would say this shows exactly how serious things are becoming.
I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are. But remember Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time. Smart Colombians think these areas are dangerous but dumb gringos think they are safe. Remember where the fuck you are.
I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia. The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit. But it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money. What you seek is eventually going to turn on you, and when it does, you will not have a second chance. If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are safe for poor gringos but stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.[/QUOTE]Hey Mr. Paraco "Bobo", new genius of the Medellin Report! The genius that says the Mafia is using a new, never used, "marketting Technique, "kill your Clients"! I have a copy of the Pamphlet, it's from the "Organizacion", a Vigilante group that is always trying to scare Colombians against drugs, prostitution and anything they deem "immoral"! Just a right wing extreme group! It was recently in the news that a group of them got arrested for making the same kind of threats in Barranquilla or somewhere near the coast of Colombia!
Mr. IQ 200, of course the Colombian government is going to take any threats against their citizens seriously, yes, they protect even their prostitutes! That's why they're closing the bars in El Centro at 1AM for a while and not allowing 2 men in a Motor cycle! For heavens sake Mr. Paraco "Bobo" they defeated a 20, 000 strong Farc organization and relegated them to the jungles and Venezuela, and you actually think all those Military Police on foot and in Motor cycles, 2 men strong, each with Machine guns, are going to have any problems a gainst a few "right Wing Vigilantes"!
And by the way, no such laws have applied to Itagui-La Mayorista, they're still open till 4AM, and one bar is a 24/7 ***** Monguering Paradise!
The Pamphlet clearly mentioned "prepagos", wherever they are, which are not considered your typical street *****s! Pre-pagos are the ones found at Universities and high end places like El Poblado, Fase ll and all the Universities! So please read the Pamphlet, if you can read or write Spanish!
My theory on this Paraco "Bobo" guy is that he is a spammer from the ************** trying to scare off potential Medellin clients, or a spammer for the "higher end" Hotels in Medellin trying to scare off clients away from the "more reasonable" priced areas like La Mayorista and El Centro, so all these over charging and inflated establish ments can get rich of your pockets! But he leaves out the fact that the threat is against all Pre-pagos wherever they are at, whether is Fase ll, San Diego, El Poblado, etc. !
As for my "typos" I happen to be bi-lingual! My brain encompasses two complete languages, and after living in Medellin for the last 4 years I'm going to be inclined to make a few "grammatical errors"! With only a 1/2 hour window to write all this, I don't always have time to go back and preview my report! So please refrain from the personal attacks and stick to the subject! I'd like to se you type all this in Spanish with a half hour window! While at the same time Using Messenger with a hot chick who wants to go out with meand I'm trying to convince to. ! It's difficult, I'll let you be the genius, my hat is off to you!
Frank Casio! (sorry no time to review, will edit later)
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Maybe this can also explain some of the increased police presence. The streets are hot. 14 assassinations in one night across the city???
[url]http://www.colombiareports.com/colombian-news/news/3031-passengers-no-longer-allowed-on-motorcycles-in-medellin.html[/url]
[quote]Medellín imposes strict security measures to halt violence
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:57
Medellín imposed emergency security measures as tensions between illegal armed groups are causing a sharp increase in violence and a soaring murder rate.
One of the measures is that owners of motorcycles in Medellín are no longer allowed to carry a passenger.
Mayor Alonso Salazar Jaramillo announced this following an emergency meeting on Wednesday.
Crime rates have gone up significantly this year, and many murders are committed with the use of motorcycles. This type of vehicle was involved in 183 murders in 2008, and current information shows an increase of 19 percent in the first two months of 2009.
The situation reached a climax last night, with no less than 14 assassinations were reported throughout the city. As such, pressure increased on the local authorities to take immediate measures.
The murders are often performed by two hit-men, one of which controls the bike while the other performs the actual assassination. By no longer allowing the passenger, the mayor hopes to reduce the murder rate.
Another measure that was announced is that commercial establishments in the city are now subject to adjusted opening hours, with exception of some of the most upscale nightlife areas in Medellín like Las Palmas and El Poblado.[/quote]
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Spammer for High end Establishments in Medellin !
[quote]Last night all the poor areas of the city had machine gun carrying police on every single corner. I know someone who lives in one of these areas and she said it looked like a war zone with so many police. This threat of social cleaning is REAL and is being treated as REAL by all aspects of law enforcement in Medellin. Do not let some stupid gringo tell you otherwise.
Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys.
No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed.
Frank! One thing, I have been meaning to ask you, what is, your level, of education! ? I mean, you write, so, well, I guess so bad, that I, just have to ask? ! There is, no need, to write, like you do, if you went to, at least, level 5, in school. I find, what you write, hard to read![/QUOTE]Response to :
Mr. "genius" Paraco "Bobo", I spent the whole night at La mayorista last night, along with 4 other gringos! There were 2 military police in one motorcycle, like every other day, except on the weekend where the beef it up to 4, 2 motorcycles! I don't know where you get your info. About La mayorista, but I think you make it up! It's clear after reading this post that you are a spammer for the "higher end" ***** establishments who want to rip off gringos!
The pampphlet clearly mentions "Pre-pagos" which will not be found anywhere near El Centro! The definition of Pre-Pago is a high end hooker or College girls who only work at high end establishments or "on call"! The Pamphlet specifically targets them, which you deny on the above statements, making you a liar, for either not reading the "pamphlet" or ommitting that "little detail" about Pre-Pagos!
They are also directly reffering to the "youth" in the street corners doing or selling drugs! They are a Vigilante Group called "La Organizacion" already stopped by Police in other parts of the Country! I believe even in the good old USA they have "terrorist alerts" and beef up police presence at certain times and events, like New Years or "Threats", has anything happenned because their was a threat! The same thing happens here, the police has to take these threats seriously and "act" on them, that's why we know Colombia is safe, because of the Military Police presence! Do you think a few Vigilantes are going to kill a bunch of people with tons of "uniformed Military Police? That's exactly what is done in New York to protect from "terrorist attacks"!
So see, Mr. Paraco "Bobo", you make my point, that's why El Centro is even safer now with all the Police Presence! And stop throwing in La Mayorista because it has not been mentioned anywhere, and "no" pamphlets where handed out there, like in Parque Lleras, only in El Centro! And please lay off the racist attacks on my spelling and grammar! Next time, you right your report in Spanish and I'll let you know how you did, ok!
If anyone wants me to email them the "pamphlet" so they can post it, I'll be more than glad to! Havn't had much time to learn the System, as I have had to answer to all this "I'll informed" and "idiotic" reports by this paraco "Bobo"! Thanks!
Frank Casio! (Sorry, will edit later, no time)
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The other Side !
[QUOTE=Justafool]Sounds like the Nazis have finally made it to MDE! Or Castro will rise again! Maybe it is just Chavez extending his reach to Colombia via MDE. Could it be that South Africa has moved NW.
Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists?
Where is La Majorista anyway?[/QUOTE]Hi Justafool,
Just read my rebuttles to Paraco "Bobo", I live here, I´m all over ! Whatever makes sense to you ! I provide the "pamphlet" if anybody wants to post it ! I explain everything in My Reports, it´s not that complicated !
Frank Casio!
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Social Cleansing "Pamphlet" !
Guys,
Here it is, the famous "Pamphlet" on Social cleansing! Read it for yourselves! Notice the section regarding "Pre-pagos"? Remember the definition of a "Pre-Pago"? "Pre-Pagos" don't hang in El Centro, they are high end call girls! Hence, the threat, if any, is for all of Medellin! Oh, and by the way, havn't you guys ever seen all the "street hookers" around "San Diego" and "Fase ll"?
So much for the theory that the threat only applies to El Centro, and not to those areas! Please read the rest of "my reports" in response to "Poraco Bob" regarding this matter, in order to understand this subject!
Frank Casio!
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Mayorista
Colombians do not consider Mayorista a safe zone, especially at night.
After paying for airfare and for lodging, I cannot imagine making Mayorista the primary focus of a trip to Medellin.
Aim higher. (A lot higher.)
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Social Cleansing
"Social cleansing" is not new in Colombia. These activities have been around a long time in Colombia, and these activities will continue well into the future.
It is very possible that current economic conditions may encourage a new wave of "social cleansing" in Colombia.
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Diffrent Perspective
Hello to all,
Paraco Bob makes some intresting posts, and everything he has said so far is basically true. This is a pretty intresting topic that I decided to crawl out of my cave and put in my two cents worth.
I personally think this guy Bob goes alittle far, and tries to justify his own agenda, but make no mistakes his facts are correct. Colombia is dangerous. Those type of fliers get passed out and prosititues get killed, it has happend before and will happend again. There are soo many new gringos and vistors coming to Medellin and your only experience is poblado and 33rd street that a false sense of security is created, this is dangerous. So be carefull out there guys.
I went to 53rd (centrol) tonight with a friend for a few beers and a look at the ladies, few police on the street or in the bars, their presence was normal, I have always seen a few cops in those bars and tonight their was only one. The crowd was normal. Everything is going as it should for a wed. Night. I always keep my guard up, never take jewlery or large sums of cash. I always sit against a wall close to the bar or near a doorway. I never leave my phone out and I don't get stupid drunk.
What I find really intresting is that this is old news, those types of threats are made every couple years and some poor barrio girl pays the price, probly a john too if they catch one. But thats it, as far as my knowledge goes there have been no drive bye shootings, or bombing of strip clubs in centrol or any other place.
BOB. YOU GO OVERBOARD HERE
"Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys. "
My responce 1. You have more of a chance getting hit by a bus, so always look bothways before crossing a street. 2. We are always targets, by women, stupid gangs ect. If you came to Colombia expecting 100% security and safety please don't come.
I find some arguments here. And agree
"No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed. "
1. If they are going to threaten hookers, and place a curfew on barrios, I think they will greatly mind if some "hoe" is returning from a guys penthouse at 3AM. Social cleaning doesn't decided that call girls are OK, but strippers and casa putas BAD. GET REAL DUDE (most hoes live in the barrios even the ones that charge alot of money)
2. I think people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s where they take there families for dinner and go shopping, but all over the city, have you driven in centrol at night?
3. These threats are mostly effecting the women whom live in the hills and work in centrol and poblado, thats why they placed the curfew at 10PM.
But again this is Colombia, you shouldnt decided to come here and vist without expecting this or atleast being prepared.
With all respect to frank over there, there is security in centrol and other areas but it still Colombia and anything can happen, so BUYER BE WARNED.
Frank and Bob both have agends, Frank wants you to rent a room and bring him MONEY MONEY MONEY! Bob over there seems to have a thing against centrol and M-Street and the gringos whom vist those places, I hate to break the news to you but very few gringos even vist those places in the first place too dangerous, and not worth it really. Now S. D. Tonight I saw 10 gringos, counting me of course.
This also gets me thinking of stuff, maybe I should print out 5, 000 fliers with our "little girlfriend for weeks" name, number and address and pay them to be handed out in the barrios bet our social cleaners would love his virgin auction!
And if I really wanted to start social cleaning I would place a few taxi cabs in places like S. D. Or F-2 and pick up the johns at 3-4 AM when they are drunk and tired, only to be found days later in Rio Medellin. Or by 6-7 handles of rum on a Saturday night in mangos and start a nice fire with them. Not too many exits in that place. Or hire a few hookers who are HIV postive and pay them royally to be freelance prepagos and give their clients true GFE.
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Let's not get carried away people. This threat may be legit but it may not even reach the usual areas a gringo might go for the street scene; these turf wars and social cleansing usually take place in the poor neighborhoods up the mountain range.
I've yet to hear of a specific case of a gringo monger getting killed either in this forum or some of the others out there in the past 2-3 years, although that obviously doesn't rule out it hasn't happened (and we just don't know about it).
But if anyone knows of a case mentioned in a U.S. or Colombian news source, I'm all ears, please correct me! :)
(I don't think the American that was killed in Cali a year or two back was a monger; he was a businessman with debts and married to a Colombiana whose family was involved in politics)
There certainly have been cases of armed robbery of mongers in Cali and Medellin (maybe Bogota too) noted in these forums, although I'm not going to bother repeating the details tonight. That's definitely a real and legit danger, and will get worse this year as the local economy takes a hit. Unemployment is climbing back up in Colombia according to recent reports.
I do know there's going to be an important international conference in Medellin at the end of March, so security should be tighter than normal, and the street scenes might be shut down for appearance's sake.
So if you're really into the street scene, or don't have much contacts to "order in" I would hold off on a trip this month just from the conference issue, putting aside the social cleansing threats.
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Two Guys On A Motorcycle
[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.[/QUOTE]This is standard operating procedure in Colombia.
When they murdered Robert Vignola in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When they murdered a Gringo in Barranquilla recently, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When an armed robbery took place at a restaurant I was eating at in Barranquilla, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When a Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a gym owner outside a gym in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When another Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a guy at an adjacent table in a videobar on Avenida Sexta in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle.
And so on and so forth.
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I got kidnapped, but made it out alive!
[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]The Medellin government has put a new law into effect .....I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are.....Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time....Smart Colombians ... dumb gringos....I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia....The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit.....it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money....If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are ....stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.[/QUOTE]Indeed, Paraco Bob, I agree, and here are some distinct situations where I too, believe that DANGER LURKS EVERYWHERE in Medellin.
I got "kidnapped" by a paisa in La Mayorista, and "held for ransom" until I delivered a couple of orgasms and produced some "leche" a couple of times. Yes, indeed, La Mayorista is not for a weak heart. (90% of the men in LaMayorista were COLOMBIANS, but I guess they were the stupid ones)
I also got stared down in El Centro by several women, you guys watch out for them, they're in lingerie and high heels. They'll throw you down and jump up and down on you till you scream. They even poured a few Pilsen beers down my throat.
Then, oh my god! I traveled on the Metro. Be very careful here, you can get stared down by the evil local girls, and if you look back they may just smile at you and want you to buy them a meal, or even worse, want to go to your apartment and cook you one. Further yet, they may even want you to have sex with them. UNTIL MORNING. And, if you're not careful, they might even phone a friend and have her come over once she's tired and force you to have sex with her while she watches. Sometimes, they call their sister, and they'll both service you. Oh, yes. Stay away from these areas.
Don't venture to Laureles either, the girl at the cash register at the restaurant might just start to smile at you. You never know where just buying a hamburger will lead. Or getting some orange juice at the grocery. These girls are dangerous.
And Parque Lleras is so frightening, all of that hustle and bustle of happy people having a good time. Better duck and run from there.
And finally, I think the biggest thing to avoid, so everyone beware, is that you may meet Johns "friends" at The Penthouse and they may just want to come over every day. Yes, having perfect 10's are a difficult bunch, especially when one is sitting on your face and the other is riding you like the toughest bull in the rodeo.
By the way, I took my "attitude" and my "gold chains, watches, and jewelery" and went into the barrios and just TEMPTED the Colombians to take me out. Thanks for all the advice you guys gave me before my trip, the PARANOIA really paid off.
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Poor Bob
Bob, I am glad you had a fun time here but give it a rest, just becuase you didn't get mugged, or robbed doesn't mean it can't happen. I realize actually having sex is a great experience for you, I myself enjoy the lifestyle very much. But regardless its Colombia don't disrespect it, and treat the place like its harmless.
[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob]Indeed, Paraco Bob, I agree, and here are some distinct situations where I too, believe that DANGER LURKS EVERYWHERE in Medellin.
I got "kidnapped" by a paisa in La Mayorista, and "held for ransom" until I delivered a couple of orgasms and produced some "leche" a couple of times. Yes, indeed, La Mayorista is not for a weak heart. (90% of the men in LaMayorista were COLOMBIANS, but I guess they were the stupid ones)
I also got stared down in El Centro by several women, you guys watch out for them, they're in lingerie and high heels. They'll throw you down and jump up and down on you till you scream. They even poured a few Pilsen beers down my throat.
Then, oh my god! I traveled on the Metro. Be very careful here, you can get stared down by the evil local girls, and if you look back they may just smile at you and want you to buy them a meal, or even worse, want to go to your apartment and cook you one. Further yet, they may even want you to have sex with them. UNTIL MORNING. And, if you're not careful, they might even phone a friend and have her come over once she's tired and force you to have sex with her while she watches. Sometimes, they call their sister, and they'll both service you. Oh, yes. Stay away from these areas.
Don't venture to Laureles either, the girl at the cash register at the restaurant might just start to smile at you. You never know where just buying a hamburger will lead. Or getting some orange juice at the grocery. These girls are dangerous.
And Parque Lleras is so frightening, all of that hustle and bustle of happy people having a good time. Better duck and run from there.
And finally, I think the biggest thing to avoid, so everyone beware, is that you may meet Johns "friends" at The Penthouse and they may just want to come over every day. Yes, having perfect 10's are a difficult bunch, especially when one is sitting on your face and the other is riding you like the toughest bull in the rodeo.
By the way, I took my "attitude" and my "gold chains, watches, and jewelery" and went into the barrios and just TEMPTED the Colombians to take me out. Thanks for all the advice you guys gave me before my trip, the PARANOIA really paid off.[/QUOTE]
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PB's fears
I emailed the girl I keep in contact with in Medellin, about the situation as I have read here, and there is definitely some truth to it, she reports a much higher police presence then previously, in response to pamphlets threatening to clean up (to quote her "unos grupos armados en los barrios de Medellin ellos dicen que haciendo limpiesa a los raptores de carros") cleaning up the barrios from the robbers.
I, for one, certainly see no benefit in attempting to repudiate the comments that PB makes, and anybody who can brazenly state that there is nothing to fear in Medellin Colombia has obviously forgotten the recent history both of the city and of Colombia in general. I have been there four times, and love the place, and the people, and Parque LLeras (especially daytime at Cafe LeBon), and the daytime casas, and Mango's. And. Despite this runon sentence. One should never forget that we gringos are visiters in their city and country and should act accordingly. If one wants to open themselves to highrisk by hanging around Mayorista at 3am, so be it, that is their choice, but, when you can go to a casa for 60k or less (not even $25), aiming for the lowest possible price is something to be done at Walmart, not in Medellin.
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BobsThrobbinKnob
Hello, BobsThrobbinKnob.
If you haven't noticed, Bob, the Colombia forum is still hampered by full moderation. Some of us would like to create a more civil and more respectful environment on the Colombia forum.
Bob, we're all really glad that you had fun on your very first trip to Medellin.
However, you're not exactly a Colombia guru because you've spent a week in Medellin (especially with John holding your hand the entire time).
So, Bob, please give it a rest. Tone down the bitter sarcasm and lose the adversarial attitude. It's unnecessary and counterproductive.
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[QUOTE=Client 9]Hello, BobsThrobbinKnob.
If you haven't noticed, Bob, the Colombia forum is still hampered by full moderation. Some of us would like to create a more civil and more respectful environment on the Colombia forum. Bob, we're all really glad that you had fun on your very first trip to Medellin. However, you're not exactly a Colombia guru because you've spent a week in Medellin (especially with John holding your hand the entire time). So, Bob, please give it a rest. Tone down the bitter sarcasm and lose the adversarial attitude. It's unnecessary and counterproductive.[/QUOTE]Ok, so bash Bob. Fine. I'm sorry I found a way to carefully and respectfully navigate the city ALONE without incident and enjoy a few of the beautiful paisas on my visit. Oops. Sorry for the sarcasm, it just flows out.
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In Love Again with La mayorista !
[QUOTE=Sailor2006]Hello to all,
Frank and Bob both have agends, Frank wants you to rent a room and bring him MONEY MONEY MONEY! Bob over there seems to have a thing against centrol and M-Street and the gringos whom vist those places, I hate to break the news to you but very few gringos even vist those places in the first place too dangerous, and not worth it really. Now S. D. Tonight I saw 10 gringos, counting me of course. [/quote]Hey guy, at $25US a night or $125 a week, I don't think it's about money, money, money! Other places owned by gringos charge for a day, what I charge for a week!
I do it for fun, as a hobby! I've stated that many times! Since there is a cost involved, can't do it for free! I started renting at My Place in La Mayorista after 8 months of partying there with my friends! One day I decided, why not share it with others and make a "little", I stress, "little" money in the process!
Oh, by the way, I was at la Mayorista again last night! Shock and awe! I had gotten tired, a little, of La Mayorista because all the girls knew me and the 20-30 "cuties" were already a "notch" on my belt, I'm not much for repeating! But since they opened the additional 2 4AM bars for drinking and dancing a lot of new talent is comming La Mayorista way!
Where I used to say that about 30% where "cuties", I'd say more like 50% were so now! And you're hearig this from a not too shabby guy at "50", most people think I'm between 34-38! I do good even in Tampa, Florida! I had to phuck my cousins'girlfriend in Tampa because she would'nt leave me alone! She got lucky because we had spent most of the night at the "Winghouse", something like "Hooters", but nicer! Those cute little blondes, scantily dressed, got my motors going!
Well anyways, last night I met "Geraldine", after a Colombian Marketting Rep. For a textile co. And a very nice Truck driver (looked more like an accountant) pointed her out to me! She had the face of an "angel", her body looked thin, but her face was captivating! She was singing with the local "musicians" when I called her over for a drink! She came over and started looking at me with "flirting" eyes, not hooker flirting, and totally ignoring my Colombian friends! When I excused myself to go to the bathroom she left my friends and only returned when I did! Then she wanted to sing me a song, for which I payed the musicians $5, 000cop! I becamed enamored with that "angel" face!
Well, to make a long story short, I asked her back to My Place! When we got there, she said, Oh! I've been here before, just last night! Then she said, but we didn't do anything! I guess she didn't want to spoil the moment! It turned out that my guest, had the same exquisite taste that I have! I kind of believed her because he told me that he often brings girls up just to talk, and pays them anyways!
Well, anyways, this beautiful "angel" turned out, not only to have a beautiful face, but what seemed "thin" clothed, turned out to be shapely and full legs with a milk white little body! I fell in love. She's one of the few girls who hasn't asked me for the money up front! I Just kissed her down there while she m. , she really enjoyed it! I didn't go in because I wanted to impress the fact that I was not in a hurry! I just let her hold my. So that at least she would know, it was no "small matter"! With her I'll repeat indefinitely, and suggested a closer relationship, which she considered! "Geraldine", my new little "angel face"!
My Colombian friends were cheering me because they could also feel the chemistry between us! She wants me to see her tonight, don't know if I can!
Frank Casio!
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I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.
Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.
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Laureles VS. El Prado-Las Casas !
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.
Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.[/QUOTE]Tom, why do you lump me with Bob ? I did´nt PM you ! You are the one always following me around, and posting Spam against me ! Relax guy, enjoy live, "live and let live" !
Oh, guys, I might be buying a My Place ll in Laureles, or near Las Casas in El Prado ! Havn´t decided yet, any suggestions?
Frank Casio!
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Believe me Tom 33 his day is about to come!
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.
Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.[/QUOTE]It is just a matter of time for serious trouble to find him Tom 33. Walking around Colombia with his attitude he cannot help but take a wrong turn and be hit between his cocksuckers. Anyone who has spent time in Colombia knows these types, and knows what the future holds for them. You make your bed you have to lie in it, and this clueless fool is going to find this out in a very difficult way before long. I am now using the ignore feature that Jackson provides us to use on posters like him, and I suggest others do the same, instead of having reading his shit, and feeling a need to respond like I have now.
Saturday morning,
Just a coincidence but it does relate somewhat to what we have been trying to tell this guy. Early this morning I received an email telling me a girl I had come to know really well from My Space, and whom I eventually met in Cali was killed on Tuesday. Very sad indeed. Yes we have violence everywhere in the world, but in Colombia it is much more rampant. Below is the content from the email.
"I am sorry to inform you all that Jenny is no longer with us. She got shot to death in her hometown of Cali, Colombia, on Tuesday, March 06, at around 6:30 PM. A funeral was held here in Cali on Friday. March 6th at 3:30PM. In this senseless act of violence, a person who stole her purse also took her life from her, as a consequence, none of us will ever be able to talk or see her again"
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See Jackson, this is what I'm talking about!
[QUOTE=Sailor2006]. Thats why you have friends. When I do loose it, and eventually it will happen you are last on my "gringos to kill list". And "anti- americanism" Thanks! [/QUOTE]Sailor, this is a serious threat. You tell it all here, YOU want to kill gringos, you hate Americans, and desire to scare them all away from Medellin. You reveal through every post what an ugly, cynical person you are. Why you aren't banned from here is one of the true ISG mysteries.
Frank is a nice guy, and in no way has bothered you with his business. Why should it matter if he's in Mayorista, if you, being a "smart" inhabitant, don't even go there? In fact, you not being there makes it 100% more desirable!
Do you really have a list of gringos to kill? Or are you just planning a random shoot one day? Looks to me like you are the one strung out on the sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
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Travel Warning For Colombia
[url]http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html[/url]
Not hyped up or toned down, just the warning for US Citizens visiting Colombia.
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Scary Stuff - Wig Sales Up???
[QUOTE=Paraco Bob]You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.[/QUOTE]So how are they going to tell?
[QUOTE=Client 9]This is standard operating procedure in Colombia.
When they murdered Robert Vignola in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When they murdered a Gringo in Barranquilla recently, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When an armed robbery took place at a restaurant I was eating at in Barranquilla, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When a Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a gym owner outside a gym in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When another Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a guy at an adjacent table in a videobar on Avenida Sexta in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle.
And so on and so forth.[/QUOTE]Scary stuff, and I hear that the sales of long dark wigs have improved. Look out guys, I wouldnt swap it for Thailand anyday - There you can have 3, 4 or even 5 guys on a motorcycle and nobody cares. I have seen 4 beautiful girls on a Honda Click, then we all took notice :)
Cheers FF
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[QUOTE=Frank Casio]Hey guy, at $25US a night or $125 a week, I don't think it's about money, money, money! Other places owned by gringos charge for a day, what I charge for a week!
I do it for fun, as a hobby! I've stated that many times! Since there is a cost involved, can't do it for free! I started renting at My Place in La Mayorista after 8 months of partying there with my friends! One day I decided, why not share it with others and make a "little", I stress, "little" money in the process!
Oh, by the way, I was at la Mayorista again last night! Shock and awe! I had gotten tired, a little, of La Mayorista because all the girls knew me and the 20-30 "cuties" were already a "notch" on my belt, I'm not much for repeating! But since they opened the additional 2 4AM bars for drinking and dancing a lot of new talent is comming La Mayorista way!
Where I used to say that about 30% where "cuties", I'd say more like 50% were so now! And you're hearig this from a not too shabby guy at "50", most people think I'm between 34-38! I do good even in Tampa, Florida! I had to phuck my cousins'girlfriend in Tampa because she would'nt leave me alone! She got lucky because we had spent most of the night at the "Winghouse", something like "Hooters", but nicer! Those cute little blondes, scantily dressed, got my motors going!
Well anyways, last night I met "Geraldine", after a Colombian Marketting Rep. For a textile co. And a very nice Truck driver (looked more like an accountant) pointed her out to me! She had the face of an "angel", her body looked thin, but her face was captivating! She was singing with the local "musicians" when I called her over for a drink! She came over and started looking at me with "flirting" eyes, not hooker flirting, and totally ignoring my Colombian friends! When I excused myself to go to the bathroom she left my friends and only returned when I did! Then she wanted to sing me a song, for which I payed the musicians $5, 000cop! I becamed enamored with that "angel" face!
Well, to make a long story short, I asked her back to My Place! When we got there, she said, Oh! I've been here before, just last night! Then she said, but we didn't do anything! I guess she didn't want to spoil the moment! It turned out that my guest, had the same exquisite taste that I have! I kind of believed her because he told me that he often brings girls up just to talk, and pays them anyways!
Well, anyways, this beautiful "angel" turned out, not only to have a beautiful face, but what seemed "thin" clothed, turned out to be shapely and full legs with a milk white little body! I fell in love. She's one of the few girls who hasn't asked me for the money up front! I Just kissed her down there while she m. , she really enjoyed it! I didn't go in because I wanted to impress the fact that I was not in a hurry! I just let her hold my. So that at least she would know, it was no "small matter"! With her I'll repeat indefinitely, and suggested a closer relationship, which she considered! "Geraldine", my new little "angel face"!
My Colombian friends were cheering me because they could also feel the chemistry between us! She wants me to see her tonight, don't know if I can!
Frank Casio![/QUOTE]Wow frank, thanks for such an "on topic" intriging post! Rotflmao
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[QUOTE=Sailor2006]. When I do loose it, and eventually it will happen you are last on my "gringos to kill list".[/QUOTE]Man I hope I'm not on your list Sailor!
I've seen you amigo, I think you're gettin close. Hahaha
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Without prompting, a semi-pro amiga told me this week that she was concerned about going back to her barrio (Castilla) alone late at night, and pulled up a PDF of the "social cleansing" threat (that prompted this discussion thread) as an explanation for me when I wondered (I didn't see who she got it from, multi-forward email). She seemed concerned about looking trashy and had seemed to dress down because of that.
She said that some significant (?) criminal had been killed in her neighborhood 2 weeks ago and people had been on edge since then. She seemed to say the police in Poblado were effective but not so much where she was (unclear if less motivated, less of them, less mandate, or what). I wasn't able to pursue nuance because of my middling spanish. :-P
Note that I've not verified any of this with anybody else yet, or heard of any other killings, but worthy of note.
I tend to be low-key as much as possible anyway, but interesting. As others have noted, we are visitors here in MDE, so best to tread lightly-- I try to take the lead from my MDE friends.
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[QUOTE=UrbanWildlife]Saturday morning,
Just a coincidence but it does relate somewhat to what we have been trying to tell this guy. Early this morning I received an email telling me a girl I had come to know really well from My Space, and whom I eventually met in Cali was killed on Tuesday. Very sad indeed. Yes we have violence everywhere in the world, but in Colombia it is much more rampant. Below is the content from the email.
"I am sorry to inform you all that Jenny is no longer with us. She got shot to death in her hometown of Cali, Colombia, on Tuesday, March 06, at around 6:30 PM. A funeral was held here in Cali on Friday. March 6th at 3:30PM. In this senseless act of violence, a person who stole her purse also took her life from her, as a consequence, none of us will ever be able to talk or see her again"[/QUOTE]I also new her very well through friends and can vouch for Urbans Story 100%! It is a very sad traumatic day for me for she was a sweet girl. Still working on the details but I know she was killed coming out of Exito resisting robbery. Im not sure which Exito either. I was reluctant to post the details though without a link that to back it up. I just saw this girl in January at chipechape, how tragic.
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I believe that some those "fears" a reasonable. First of all, Medellin does not seem too dangerous to me, compared to some other places I've been(in Eastern Europe). But one Colombian friend has given me a number of warnings, which I think I underestimated, but now they kinda correspond to what some people are writing here. For example he was afraid to take Metro-cable to the last stations, also walk in the Centro at night, and go to some parties which could be attended by "dangerous" people pretending to be somebody else. Some of these may sound crazy, but it is probably a good idea to listen to locals sometime. Also a taxi driver was looking at us like we were crazy going to el Centro at night, and he told me to take great care there.
Also it looks like here some people are trying to develop this idea that every colombian girl is an innocent angel, nice person, beautiful, etc.. Just because she is colombian or paisa, or whatever. I believe this is not true. Of course the majority are suposedely better than the majority of AW, but there are some really nasty girls. Some can be violent if for some reason they become upset with something. While most of the girls I've met were very nice, I've met one who turned out to be really greedy and violent while pretending and acting a good one when she was sober. I also saw that she receives dozens emails from gringos everyday, and she does not give a shit about them. She just laughs at their "love" letters and picks the most "promising" ones. She showed me some emails, were I could see that gringos are seriously are in love with her.. Later I learned my lesson about her hard way when she got drunk and showed her real face. If you feel something is wrong with her at the beginning(for example, she's too late for your meeting or she's trying to postpone sex telling some BS) walk away ASAP. They can be good actors and liars. Also if you've met her as a working girl, don't assume she does not expect money if she hangs out with you as a GF. It's better to ask her in advance if you're gonna pay her or not and how much. And if you do not know her well, I would not invite her to my place. But it's my opinion only. Cuidate mucho.
I also would guess that most likely Colombians would laugh at us if they read what most people write here. Because, when I read the thread about the country I'm originally from, I'm surprised with how much stupid ideas people come up with and what they think about girls and people in general, even those who consider themselves my country "professionals". So I would assume that in general we have no idea what we are talking about here, unless here are some real Colombians.
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This is a page from "El Colombiano" translated.
The fear spread leaflets in doubtful
The authorities and the Ombudsman to dismiss a real threat behind the intimidating and demanding texts not playing. In addition, security was strengthened in Medellín.
Juan Carlos Monroy Giraldo.- Medellin
Published on March 8, 2009
A pamphlet containing threats flowing from hand to hand and fear on the Internet these days to Medellin. The Government and local authorities give little credibility, but sowed fear andalusia anonymous message spread quickly and find fertile ground in the increase in homicides and gang presence.
With the threat of "time to social cleansing" the pamphlet began circulating in late February in downtown and neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo Savio, Castilla, Manrique and Moravia, among many others.
The pamphlet, written in vulgar terms and without attribution to any illegal group, the initiates against prostitutes, drug addicts, thieves and retailers of hallucinogenic drugs, who blame the increase in crime, drug addiction and even infection of AIDS. It also threatens young people to "patch in the corners drugs" and said 10 pm as the deadline for people in their homes and are "not innocent fall. "
The pamphlet has already begun to disturb the peace of communities, as Maria notes, a resident of La Esperanza, in the northeast of Medellin. "This wheel came and people started copying. If you fear generated over the last few days and is lonely night. My husband did not leave the weekend to take some beers and usually suffer and parents with their children not to go to street until late. "
However, the woman said that people in the industry, who lived in the flesh the harshest years of the conflict, have doubts about the authenticity of the pamphlet and its threats. "Illegal groups not well served, with anonymous, but came and threatened on behalf of the militias and paramilitary groups. "
The unease generated by the anonymous leaflet is also perceived in Castile, Robledo and Santo Domingo. Las Margaritas in Robledo, a young man said, there are combos that intimidate and extort. "And now with the pamphlets, people lock themselves up early. "
In Santo Domingo, or the Popular Granizal, many residents began to leave the street after 10 pm. "People do not leave with so much tranquility and bars and close early. But in recent days security was stepped up, " said a community leader.
Although these and other sectors of the city no one realizes the source and authors of the threats, murders that have been submitted and the presence of combos crime they face in neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo, is the setting for which revived fears.
"There is fear because they have killed many people and there was shooting between combos. The worst thing is that people can not move from one neighborhood as Nuevo Horizonte Granizal to Santo Domingo or the threat of combos. And now these pamphlets troublemaker more fear, "says a young industry.
Because of this climate of tension last Friday the residents of the commune 1 staged a March to protest against violence. In the last two weeks will strengthen security.
But there are also people and leaders who are asking the community not to believe in threats that seek to create anxiety. "We can not let ourselves be intimidated with the first paper to appear anonymous and that spreads like a rumor, " says Jorge de la Cruz, a resident of Santo Domingo.
Demobilized contacted by this newspaper also dismissed. "The guerrillas and the self-imposed curfews when we attribute it to show presence. This is just to generate fear, " said a demobilized from the AUC s.
Campaign of fear unfounded
The authorities in Medellin, the pamphlet lacks credibility, so they call on citizens not to leave anonymous messages to terrorize any obscure.
"It has merit. Was investigated and the conclusion is circulated on a massive scale by curious citizens. Such pamphlets have already been seen here and in other cities to generate fear and misinformation. So we asked the community not to reproduce it only creates an unfounded fear, "the secretary of government of Medellín, María Jesús Ramírez.
Indeed, the same pamphlet and circulated in the municipalities of Itagui, Bello, Andes and Urabá by the Internet.
Police and the Ombudsman also dismissed Medellin a real threat to these texts (see views).
One particular voice that adds to the appeal so as not to spread fear is that of Colonel (r) Ricardo Manuel Salgado, former director of the SIJIN of Police and now a professor of Criminal Law and the University of Medellin.
"In his language development and demonstrates that seeks to intimidate, overnight cleaning areas where drug addicts, prostitutes and common criminals, people who are I'll in any sector of the population, " said Salgado.
As background, the authors recall a similar pamphlet that circulated last year in Santa Lucia, on behalf of the Black Eagles. This was an attempt to end several people uncomfortable to end the course and the noise of young people late at night.
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Things have certainly changed in the last couple of weeks!!
Many of the places that serve the late-night crowd have been empty.
There are military police everywhere.
It is great that they are not allowing two guys on a motorcycle anymore.
Barrio Castilla last night had lots of people, but about a half as much as usual.
Buenas Aires two nights in a row, hardly even a street crowd.
Today, women´s day there were lots more people out and about.
Two nights ago, in barrio San Javier we were there when the curfew cops came and picked up one of the locals just for walking on the street.
After that time, we were the ONLY people on the street when we went looking for a taxi.
It is always good to be mindfull of the ever present danger that exists in any city but even more so in a city that once was one of the most violent cities ever.
Always be safe and consider your surroundings.
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El Colombiano-"Security defeats Fear in the Streets"
[QUOTE=Frank Casio]It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel. He uses the Military as Police in the whole country to fight even the all powerful FARC which used to dominate all the highways, back when nobody could leave the cities without putting themselves in danger! This was less than 8-10 years ago! That's why we are all here now, because the Military Police protects the whole country!
The same Military police that patrols all the highways and byways exiting the cities in Colombia, is the same Military police that patrols the streets in Medellin, keeping them safe! They're all over El Centro and La Mayorista, and they are not corrupt like in Costa Rica and Brazil where Americans are afraid of them! Often they go after the cocaine dealers to arrest them in front of everybody, never consumers, since there is a degree of tolerance towards consumption of Cocaine and Marihuana in small quantities ! They shake down the "traffickers", and unfortunately sometimes they do accept a little bribe here and there, they're not perfect, but they keep them on their toes! Not only don't they harrass the normal citizen, but protect them and are quick to response to any act of violence! Colombia's Military often moves their police force around, specially when they suspect that they're getting to "cozy" with the local drug dealers! They just re-shuffle them so they lose all of their connections, very smart!
Colombian police are taught to "serve and protect", from the Chief In Command, President Uribe, who, by the way, Colombians want to re-elect to a 3rd term, but unlike Chavez, Uribe, believes and respects "democracy"! The Military Police here is praised and encouraged to "Protect and Serve", and they take pride in doing this! They're hawks at protecting the subway system, I've been turn away at least once and questioned another time for looking a little "too tipsy"! They just told me to hop on a bus or a taxi where less restrictions apply! They were nice enough to direct me to the bus stop for Envigado from El Centro! This was at 4AM in the morning when the subway re-opens! I was being a "typical Paisa" and was trying to safe on the "Taxi Fare"!
This "Pride" to "Protect and Serve" comes straight from "The Top", from the man who destroyed the Cartels and saved and restored Colombia, Presidente Uribe! With a little help from good old USA (4 billion US$ given to President Uribe by the last administration to fight "terrorrism", and protect our "american's asses" down here), for which I'm thankfull for!
On a lighter note, my first house in El Trianon, Envigado was very closed to a house owned by Escobar's Mom! Escobar is now burried in Itagui, near La Mayorista and The International Club (Sriptease Bar)! When Escobar's entire Cartel was destroyed, many of the little shops in Envigado which where used to launder money for Escobar, found themselves with a business and cash that nobody ever claimed!
The cartel was wiped off the face of the Earth, and apparently the police didn't have enough records to know which businesses where legite, hence, a few locals, quite a few, found themselves set up for life! So in Envigado, a very quiet community, no prostitution, Zona Rosa "La Bota Del Dia", like Parque Lleras, you will never Know which shop owner once laundered for Escobar ! Many people did that "back in the days" (a little Lancaster,PA slang) !
Frank Casio!
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Hey Guys,
Sunday News "Head Lines" from El Colombiano, "SECURITY DEFEATS FEAR IN THE STREETS"- fears from the Social Cleansing Pamphlet ! This has been my whole point (read above) !
Point Made ! This government´s security defeated a 20,000 strong FARC and relegated it to the Jungles and Venezuela ! Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?
Frank Casio !
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[QUOTE=Frank Casio]Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?
Frank Casio ![/QUOTE]Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.
Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.
Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.
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[QUOTE=Tom 33]
... Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention that.
Last time I was at the Mayorista, I saw a chica that I know from there sobbing.
She's the little but large chest morena that Col Bog loved so.
Anyway, she had just been banned from the Mayorista by "los muchachos" for fighting with another chica.
She said she would be harmed if she came back "sin permiso" (permission).
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I live there Tom, I should Know !
[QUOTE=Tom 33]Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.
Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.
Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.[/QUOTE]Tom,
The police allows whoever they want to control, La Mayorista or any place where drugs are tolerated! I'm there all the time Tom, where are you? Hidden and tucked away in El Poblado? Of course the Police is not going to deal the drugs themselves! Wherever in Medellin there is a tolerence for drugs in small amounts, the police allows some of these "underworld elements" to control the trade! What else are they going to do, sell it themselves? The police is there to control the situation and prevent "violent" crimes!
I know all the people in control of La Mayorista (the lower escalon), they run away like scared rats everytime the police decides to raid them, and if the police is in a good mood, they might allow them to pay a $500, 000cop fee to keep on working! If their in a bad mood or hear to many complaints regarding these folks, they arrest them! The police is there to protect the people and control the situation! It's a tolerance area for prostitution and small amounts of drugs!
Like El Periodista in El Centro where they actually sell "marihuana joints" openly! You see all the "preppy kids" there smoking their joints! Again, the police is there to protect and control the situation, not to sell drugs, hence, somebody else has to do it and it's not going to be your "local school Teacher"! In any of these areas, if the local dealer starts to get out of hand, they dissappear, like the last one in La Mayorista "El Raton" ("the rat", thus nicked named because he looked like a "rat"), and somebody nicer, attracting less attention to himself, is put in his place!
Does that answer your question Tom? Regarding if I know whose in charge of La Mayorista! Do you think I can be there 2-3 times a week for a year and not know! I don't associate with them, but I know who they are!
Frank Casio!
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I don't have a dog in this discussion, but last night the old woman said she heard Medellin was putting a 1000 new police on the street.
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Update THIS THREAD IS A WASTE OF TIME!!!!
[QUOTE=Kodyhead]Hi guys,
I am going to Medellin in a few weeks, has there been any update about this threat?
Or have they killed everyone in this thread?[/QUOTE]I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.
I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.
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[QUOTE=Kodyhead]I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.
I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.[/QUOTE]I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:
[quote]Colombia's National Police Commissioner Oscar Naranja returned to Medellin Tuesday to lead the fight against the criminal gangs of drug traffickers, whose dispute over the control of illegal businesses has unleashed an increase in violent deaths in the country's second largest city.
The anarchy of the largest criminal gangs in the department Antioquia aroused after the capture of crime bosses 'Don Mario' and 'Douglas, President Uribe said Monday before announcing he was sending Naranjo to Medellin for the second time. Medellín saw a sharp increase in violence also before the arrest of these drug lords.
After reviewing the situation of violence in Medellin with the military and police commanders, Uribe stressed that the authorities can not reconcile with those criminal gangs, or deal with appeasement, but demand all determination to solve this problem.
Last weekend at least five people were assassinated in the capital of Antioquia: two while driving in their car and three others in an elevator in the South of Medellín.
It is the second time this year Naranjo is dispatched to Medellin, where violence continued despite his earlier visit and severe security measures."
May, 2009[/quote]You can find many articles similar to this in English in [url]http://colombiareports.com/[/url].
We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.
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[QUOTE=Tom 33]I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:
You can find many articles similar to this in English in [url]http://colombiareports.com/[/url].
We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.[/QUOTE]This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.
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[QUOTE=Kodyhead]This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.[/QUOTE]Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.
The limpieza social(social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.
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[QUOTE=Tom 33; 886307]Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.
The limpieza social (social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.[/QUOTE]2010 limpeaza was not a big deal and this year there was not one at all. No gringos were maimed or killed. There is no reason to fear this. Just stay out of bad areas, especially at night and you will be fine. If you are still worried have a local with you.
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Stupid shit in Medellin
[BLUE]I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit.
So here's the deal, post it here. You can post all of that stupid, idiotic shit here. The "Medellin Reports" thread is now criticism free.
A2[/BLUE]
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You should have kicked her out of the room, and told papasan to bring another girl. That's why you go to casas rather than street.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2096569]Long hair, tattoo of some latin phrase on her right side. Avoid, literally the worst hooker I have ever fucked in Latin America. Wanted 100 k for a BBBJ, passed, was looking at her phone while she sort of pumped my dick. Then kind of blew me, more like sticking my cock in a glass of warm water than getting a BJ.
My dick was mostly hard so I started fucking her and the whole time she was reaching between her legs to make sure the condom was on asking me if I was finished.
I gave up after ten minutes and she tried to tell me I had been there for a half hour.
Literally the worst session I've ever had in Latin America.[/QUOTE]
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Why didn't I think of that
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2096585]You should have kicked her out of the room, and told papasan to bring another girl. That's why you go to casas rather than street.[/QUOTE]Man, thank you soooooo much, why didn't I just think about that? Why didn't I just think about kicking a chick out of my room and demanding that they bring me a new one in a casa that I had never, ever been to before in my life?
Why wouldn't I do that, hmmmmm. Well maybe for starters since I fucking live in South America and have a pretty good handle on how Latins think, maybe, just maybe in the back of my mind I was was unsure of how that would have been received by the management. Maybe, since I was there with a buddy of mine and he goes there often and I was unsure of the etiquette I didn't want to take the chance on damaging the good reputation he had developed in that house? You may or may not be aware of this but all over Latin America you are judged by the company you keep.
Mostly though, I didn't do it because it wasn't that important. I don't come here for vacations, this is my life, there is always more pussy and now that three other guys have chimed in about her she will make less money and I fucking GUARANTEE you that Sofi wasted no fucking time at all in telling her about the money she missed out on. I know that because, like I said, I live down here, I understand Latinas. The first one may have made 20 K for a shitty session but the second one made 75 K for a good one and no doubt she was talking about it in the break room.
So anyway, thanks for being a fucking douche and motivating me to make this thread. I suggest you start posting all the stupid shit you think people want to read here because I'm going to make it a mission to sit on your posts for awhile. Guys like you fuck up forums like this and I'm kinda sick of it happening. I've been here for a month and I've met a lot of guys and the number one reason for the guys who don't use the forum is assholes like you.
A2.
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[QUOTE=Admin2;2096849]Man, thank you soooooo much, why didn't I just think about that? Why didn't I just think about kicking a chick out of my room and demanding that they bring me a new one in a casa that I had never, ever been to before in my life?
Why wouldn't I do that, hmmmmm. Well maybe for starters since I fucking live in South America and have a pretty good handle on how Latins think, maybe, just maybe in the back of my mind I was was unsure of how that would have been received by the management. Maybe, since I was there with a buddy of mine and he goes there often and I was unsure of the etiquette I didn't want to take the chance on damaging the good reputation he had developed in that house? You may or may not be aware of this but all over Latin America you are judged by the company you keep.[/QUOTE]Sorry man but this is so funny on so many levels. You live in South America and you KNOW how Latinas think, yet you are UNSURE how management would have taken it that you are a customer and want to get what you paid for? And what is all of this etiquette and being judged by the company you keep shit? You were in a HOREHOUSE, not a meeting with the head of state. If every monger was like you and did not want to rock the boat by complaining about the chick then shit would go on and on and never get fixed.
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Antagonists!!
[QUOTE=Admin2;2096845][BLUE]I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit.
So here's the deal, post it here. You can post all of that stupid, idiotic shit here. The "Medellin Reports" thread is now criticism free.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]A2, why not just block / delete / suspend for 60 days / increase fees for anyone deemed an antagonist! Some derive self worth & self importance from trying to bring everyone else down. It is on every board I'm on, mongering and others! Just a suggestion.
El Mechanico.
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Thanks
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2096914]Sorry man but this is so funny on so many levels. You live in South America and you KNOW how Latinas think, yet you are UNSURE how management would have taken it that you are a customer and want to get what you paid for? And what is all of this etiquette and being judged by the company you keep shit? You were in a HOREHOUSE, not a meeting with the head of state. If every monger was like you and did not want to rock the boat by complaining about the chick then shit would go on and on and never get fixed.[/QUOTE]Yours made me laugh as well. You are indeed a funny guy.
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It's a new thing
[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2096978]A2, why not just block / delete / suspend for 60 days / increase fees for anyone deemed an antagonist! Some derive self worth & self importance from trying to bring everyone else down. It is on every board I'm on, mongering and others! Just a suggestion.
El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]You can't stop trolls, there will always be guys who's lives suck so bad the only place they feel important is harassing people online. If I suspend him for 60 days he will make a new account. It will be unpopular with some of the seniors here, but it will result in more people putting up more reports.
Threads like this give the trolls a place to be idiots while the serious pussy hounds can just get their info on the real threads.
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Yes, you maybe right, I may be wrong. Doesn't matter. It is your money. Have fun there.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2096849]Man, thank you soooooo much, why didn't I just think about that? Why didn't I just think about kicking a chick out of my room and demanding that they bring me a new one in a casa that I had never, ever been to before in my life?
Why wouldn't I do that, hmmmmm. Well maybe for starters since I fucking live in South America and have a pretty good handle on how Latins think, maybe, just maybe in the back of my mind I was was unsure of how that would have been received by the management. Maybe, since I was there with a buddy of mine and he goes there often and I was unsure of the etiquette I didn't want to take the chance on damaging the good reputation he had developed in that house? You may or may not be aware of this but all over Latin America you are judged by the company you keep.
Mostly though, I didn't do it because it wasn't that important. I don't come here for vacations, this is my life, there is always more pussy and now that three other guys have chimed in about her she will make less money and I fucking GUARANTEE you that Sofi wasted no fucking time at all in telling her about the money she missed out on. I know that because, like I said, I live down here, I understand Latinas. The first one may have made 20 K for a shitty session but the second one made 75 K for a good one and no doubt she was talking about it in the break room..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Admin2;2096569]Literally the worst session I've ever had in Latin America.[/QUOTE]I'll venture to guess you haven't been to Ecuador. I had to bail on three sessions in the same day in Guayaquil (3 different venues). Makes a bad New Life session seem like a GFE!
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Have you ever thought.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2181428]Not only that, but he posted the same request on March 31, afterwhich Pokeris and Surf Looker responded with a list of fb pages, and here he is again with the same request not even 2 months later.[/QUOTE]That taking that keep of faith is a ***** for someone who has never been to Colombia. Pablo, Narcos, CNN, Fox News, all the bad publicity about Colombia. Many Americans need reassurance that the girls are real & the danger is minimal. It took wolf to give me a sense of ease in order for me to travel to Medellin. Being on many forums & sites I know that trolls, wise guys, Smart asses all have their 2 cents to add in to wreck your nerves. I can assure you and every other guy on this forum, you can't marry or Bang every nice looking chic in Medellin, although many on the forum keep secrets like these girls are pets in the yard chained to a pole. As I have said many times before, Money talks in Medellin, I may have spent plenty in my first few visits, now I only spend if I care to be bothered. My girl and her friends Bang me enough that I no longer look for girls in Medellin, they actually ask my girlfriend do her & I want extra company. I knew after finding a favorable chic, it would be easier to find more favorable chics. Best American trick I learned from Jim Crow is this: spoil one chic in a city of poor chics, and the rest of the chics will take notice. With that said, goal accomplished. You old guys with large egos & prostates shouldn't be so hard on the newbies. Pollonegro is out!
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[QUOTE=OldTrack;2181236]Don't forget to subscribe.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHHeVqHUd8k[/URL][/QUOTE]I forgot to mention this is a video a Parque LLeras.
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You don't have a prostate?
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579] You old guys with large egos & prostates ......[/QUOTE]Says the young (er) guy with the biggest ego of them all & apparently no prostate!! I was agreeing with you on this post until you threw in that smartass comment.
Lighten up a little PN.
El Mechanico.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2178709]In Medellin right now, been here since Tuesday, I leave Saturday. I have had 3-4 girls a day. Plus I have had my girlfriend with me on every session. I guess I'm just pushing my luck? Well I took these nice pics in front of the church, in centro, with my new Galaxy S9 and no one robbed me? My girlfriend is in the pic of the church, Go figure? I have no idea which Medellin or which Centro you all are visiting, but I been banging chics since I landed. Hey Wolf, Our friend is still at the Hotel we spoke for a while. I guess the sharks can smell prey and also the killer whales when they are out and about. I have pics and numbers for anyone interested in the honeys I saw since landing Tuesday! I have nothing but love for Medellin! Pollonegro is out![/QUOTE]Pollo, fantastic! Sounds like you had another blast.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579]That taking that keep of faith is a ***** for someone who has never been to Colombia. Pablo, Narcos, CNN, Fox News, all the bad publicity about Colombia. Many Americans need reassurance that the girls are real & the danger is minimal. It took wolf to give me a sense of ease in order for me to travel to Medellin. Being on many forums & sites I know that trolls, wise guys, Smart asses all have their 2 cents to add in to wreck your nerves. You old guys with large egos & prostates shouldn't be so hard on the newbies.[/QUOTE]You say that as if a thing called dumb as fuck didn't exist. You would indeed have to be dumb as fuck if you have 4 posts and two of them are the same question (that has already been answered for you personally) in the same thread. Mind you, this person's other 2 posts were about having been to 2 other destinations (still without a trip report), one of which was in the same country in question. So if they need more leaps of faith or more confirmation of women in a country THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN TO, then like I said, there is a thing called dumb as fuck.
We are supposed to be all grown men here. You can not expect anyone to lead you around by the dick and stick it into the pussy for you. Once someone gives you information then you have to be man enough to put it to use and not childlike asking for the same information over and over again.
A buddy of mine does the same shit. He has been asking me the same questions about Thailand for years. He has lived 3 hours from the place for the last few years and still has not gone. $150 round trip ticket. I finally told him to stop asking me shit about Thailand because he is not going if he has not been yet.
I mean seriously. Two guys personally gave you a list of facebook profiles and you have the nerve to come back to ask for more facebook profiles? I have never met a chick from facebook, but I know how to read. And I have read the explicit instruction of people saying to befriend one then click on their friends list and befriend others. The shit is not brain surgery. So to have to come back and ask if someone can show you more facebook profiles, as if they are top secret, is just fucking asinine when you can literally click on more profiles your damn self.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579]...As I have said many times before, Money talks in Medellin ...[/QUOTE]Really? Thanks!
No one knew that before you came along, the King of ego, LOL.
Balboa out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579]That taking that keep of faith is a ***** for someone who has never been to Colombia. Pablo, Narcos, CNN, Fox News, all the bad publicity about Colombia. Many Americans need reassurance that the girls are real & the danger is minimal. It took wolf to give me a sense of ease in order for me to travel to Medellin. Being on many forums & sites I know that trolls, wise guys, Smart asses all have their 2 cents to add in to wreck your nerves. I can assure you and every other guy on this forum, you can't marry or Bang every nice looking chic in Medellin, although many on the forum keep secrets like these girls are pets in the yard chained to a pole. As I have said many times before, Money talks in Medellin, I may have spent plenty in my first few visits, now I only spend if I care to be bothered. My girl and her friends Bang me enough that I no longer look for girls in Medellin, they actually ask my girlfriend do her & I want extra company. I knew after finding a favorable chic, it would be easier to find more favorable chics. Best American trick I learned from Jim Crow is this: spoil one chic in a city of poor chics, and the rest of the chics will take notice. With that said, goal accomplished. You old guys with large egos & prostates shouldn't be so hard on the newbies. Pollonegro is out![/QUOTE]That was a Kobe Bryant mic drop. Preach ha.
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Damn shame.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2181671]Really? Thanks!
No one knew that before you came along, the King of ego, LOL.
Balboa out![/QUOTE]That we are supposed to be grown, but its quite evident, that you older guys take pride in scaring the hell out of every Young monger. No one is going to kill you in Medellin, spending more does not make you a dummy. That limited income of SSI and pensión benefits shows you have to be keyboard savy to keep a young man with a pocket full of money away from Medellin. What I can tell you is this, Medellin has been so good to me, I have decided to go job hunting in Ft Lauderdale & Miami, easier access to Medellin. BTW, I have a prostate and it's functioning pretty good if I may say so myself. Just planning on how I'm going to retire over the next 7-8 yrs, might plant a few Pollonegros in Medellin once I settle in permanently. As for money, I was born into it, plus the kind of job I have I could always work 3 months a yr , LOL, pollonegro is out.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579]As I have said many times before, Money talks in Medellin,[/QUOTE]As it does in USA, Guat, Mex, CR, RD, UK, Germany, Japan, Thailand, Brazil & _ (fill in any other country / city in the world)!
El Mechanico is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181579] You old guys with large egos & prostates shouldn't be so hard on the newbies. Pollonegro is out![/QUOTE]A recent study concluded that Ego increased between the ages of 43 to 61 years old which confirms what your saying. For the members of this board who fall within the above age range we have been put on notice and we need to immediately let go of our egos by practicing forgiveness, gratitude, honesty, enjoying our silent moments, and surrender the need for control for the benefit of the younger members of this board.
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But you will tell me to lighten up.
[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2181720]As it does in USA, Guat, Mex, CR, RD, UK, Germany, Japan, Thailand, Brazil & _ (fill in any other country / city in the world)!
El Mechanico is out![/QUOTE]You can dish it, I know you can take it. All is well in Fun & Games, Pollonegro is out!
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Great Come back.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2181726]A recent study concluded that Ego increased between the ages of 43 to 61 years old which confirms what your saying. For the members of this board who fall within the above age range we have been put on notice and we need to immediately let go of our egos by practicing forgiveness, gratitude, honesty, enjoying our silent moments, and surrender the need for control for the benefit of the younger members of this board.[/QUOTE]I nearly pissed my pants. Then again my PSA numbers aren't around the numbers when you vets begin to dribble, I do release a maximum flow, without the need for Flomax! More girls less talk! Pollonegro is out!
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2181726]A recent study concluded that Ego increased between the ages of 43 to 61 years old which confirms what your saying. For the members of this board who fall within the above age range we have been put on notice and we need to immediately let go of our egos by practicing forgiveness, gratitude, honesty, enjoying our silent moments, and surrender the need for control for the benefit of the younger members of this board.[/QUOTE]OK, I accept that, but what can I do about my prostate? LOL!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181703]That we are supposed to be grown, but its quite evident, that you older guys take pride in scaring the hell out of every Young monger. No one is going to kill you in Medellin, spending more does not make you a dummy. That limited income of SSI and pensin benefits shows you have to be keyboard savy to keep a young man with a pocket full of money away from Medellin. What I can tell you is this, Medellin has been so good to me, I have decided to go job hunting in Ft Lauderdale & Miami, easier access to Medellin. BTW, I have a prostate and it's functioning pretty good if I may say so myself. Just planning on how I'm going to retire over the next 7-8 yrs, might plant a few Pollonegros in Medellin once I settle in permanently. As for money, I was born into it, plus the kind of job I have I could always work 3 months a yr , LOL, pollonegro is out.[/QUOTE]Excellent for you Pollo! We’re all thrilled for you!
By the way; I'm not old, I'm not retired, I have money as well, but I don't brag about it.
I'm not trying to scare anyone, I could care less where anyone travels to or how much one spends anywhere.
I've been visiting and living at times in Medellin and all of Colombia for almost 20 years.
I just tell the truth, from my experiences, without all the bravado BS.
I value others' opinions.
Though I personally dislike braggers and blowhards.
I wish you and your buddies well, and great experiences.
Balboa is out!
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Once again.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2181831]Excellent for you Pollo! Were all thrilled for you!
By the way; I'm not old, I'm not retired, I have money as well, but I don't brag about it.
I'm not trying to scare anyone, I could care less where anyone travels to or how much one spends anywhere.
I've been visiting and living at times in Medellin and all of Colombia for almost 20 years.
I just tell the truth, from my experiences, without all the bravado BS.
I value others' opinions.
Though I personally dislike braggers and blowhards.
I wish you and your buddies well, and great experiences.
Balboa is out![/QUOTE]You are more creditable than I simply because you keep your finances to yourself, all I am asking is for the scientific proof that states that your hypothesis and theory is correct. It only validates that you are an American, with a quick comeback and ability to type into a keyboard or phone, that Ego and Prostate just won't stop inflating will it, PolloNegro is out! LOL.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2181935]You are more creditable than I simply because you keep your finances to yourself, all I am asking is for the scientific proof that states that your hypothesis and theory is correct. It only validates that you are an American, with a quick comeback and ability to type into a keyboard or phone, that Ego and Prostate just won't stop inflating will it, PolloNegro is out! LOL.[/QUOTE]No, I'm just more humble, LOL.
What hypothesis?
What theory?
Listen, I wish you well.
You're obviously a young dude with lots of energy.
You're pretty quick on the keyboard as well by the way, with no lack of ego, LOL.
Go have fun!
Enjoy your girls and money.
All this really doesn't matter.
I’m actually running around Medellin now and this weekend, I’d buy ya a drink if you were around.
Balboa is out!!
For real this time, LOL.
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Thanks.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2182045]No, I'm just more humble, LOL.
What hypothesis?
What theory?
Listen, I wish you well.
You're obviously a young dude with lots of energy.
You're pretty quick on the keyboard as well by the way, with no lack of ego, LOL.
Go have fun!
Enjoy your girls and money.
All this really doesn't matter.
Im actually running around Medellin now and this weekend, Id buy ya a drink if you were around.
Balboa is out!!
For real this time, LOL.[/QUOTE]I will be back next Wednesday. Maybe I can catch you then.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2182107]I will be back next Wednesday. Maybe I can catch you then.[/QUOTE]I'm heading to So Paulo and Rio in Brazil on Monday, but back in Medellin the first week of June.
Had a full day in Centro today, streets and clubs, sitting in Fase Dos now as a matter of fact, just to check it out.
I'll report the day in the reports section.
Great day!
And the night is still young :)
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[QUOTE=JimmyKerry;2185621]My first night was Halloween and I meet this Venezuelan in a bar. We exchanged numbers and I meet her for a night soon after. She was a stunner six foot breast implants and an ass from the God's.[/QUOTE]Was God the name of the doctor that did her ass implants?
[QUOTE=JimmyKerry;2185621]I visited new life about five times 150,000 each time.[/QUOTE]150,000 at NL? What did you get the 8-hour all you can fuck deal?
[QUOTE=JimmyKerry;2185621]The first time with her I blew my load four times in an hour.[/QUOTE]Hmmm.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2185828]Was God the name of the doctor that did her ass implants?
150,000 at NL? What did you get the 8-hour all you can fuck deal?
Hmmm.[/QUOTE]I was amazed as well but could be that he got the 1 hour 15 deal for 95 K then tipped 55 K.
Only know because I read a similar story somewhere else, LOL.
150 K at New Life damn.
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LOL! Maybe he bought around for the waiting rooms, that will cost a pretty penny with the number of thirsty punters who crowd the place. Most of the time it looks like a damn skid row free clinic waiting area. LOL!
[QUOTE=Woodway;2185957]I was amazed as well but could be that he got the 1 hour 15 deal for 95 K then tipped 55 K.
Only know because I read a similar story somewhere else, LOL.
150 K at New Life damn.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2185828]Was God the name of the doctor that did her ass implants?
150,000 at NL? What did you get the 8-hour all you can fuck deal?
Hmmm.[/QUOTE]Very very special, congratulations. You're a good little boy.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2181726]A recent study concluded that Ego increased between the ages of 43 to 61 years old which confirms what your saying. For the members of this board who fall within the above age range we have been put on notice and we need to immediately let go of our egos by practicing forgiveness, gratitude, honesty, enjoying our silent moments, and surrender the need for control for the benefit of the younger members of this board.[/QUOTE]I don't know about ego, but when I was 43, I traveled international every other week and may have had some sort of sex addiction thing going on because I banged well over 100 chicas that year and the following year and. Sometimes, I would see three chicas in a day. By the time my trip was over, there would be dust coming out of the end of my pecker.
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Same reason.
[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2223287]I thought you said that was you?
El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]That I'm trying to figure out why there is so much complaining about prices in this forum. These girls will do nearly everything you ask, as long as your benjamins are right. I am so surprised at the lack of photos and the amount of complaining. It didn't take long for me to quickly figure out that most of those complaining are limited on one of two things. 1. Money or 2. Time, I got an abundance of both, but those who are financially stable "don't talk about it! " or so I've heard from the closet rich guys. More girls less fuss, come on guys! Pollonegro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2223058]Only country I've ever been you can fly from city to city round trip for $125 USD.[/QUOTE]Surely you jest. Or either the guy with unlimited funds has not been to many countries. I regularly do a 3 hour international roundtrip Manila to Bangkok for that price. I remember me and another board member bought a ticket from Angeles City to Bangkok for $1! Europe has Ryan Air. Asia has Air Asia.
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Still got that.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2223470]Rather contradictory. Since you have been posting here, you have talked about your abundance of funds.[/QUOTE]Abundance of funds, and it allows me to have my way in Medellin. In life, you get what you pay for, so why complain? More girls, less complaining please! Pollonegro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2223429]T1. Money or 2. Time, I got an abundance of both, but those who are financially stable "don't talk about it! " [/QUOTE]We appreciate your posts but we (and you) could really do without all the self glossing about how much $ you have. Or the contradictions that you have in every post. We don't care, we simply don't care about how much money you have!! You chastise guys for paying $100 USD then in the next or previous sentence you brag about paying 800 K COP. Really??
El Mechanico.
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Difference is.
[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2223688]We appreciate your posts but we (and you) could really do without all the self glossing about how much $ you have. Or the contradictions that you have in every post. We don't care, we simply don't care about how much money you have!! You chastise guys for paying $100 USD then in the next or previous sentence you brag about paying 800 K COP. Really??
El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I make that $800 cop last a full 24 hours. Make no mistake, I have an abundance of cash, but I'm not a fool with it either. You senior guys have to stop taking my post personal, clearly I must be telling the truth or stepping on toes for you to call me contradictory. No way have I or will I ever pay $600 mil pesos for a 1. 5 hour session, not as long as girls walk Vera cruz and perform for $30 mil pesos. Face it, if you're in Poblado, you're paying for safety, not better vaginal services. Leave the vaginal inspection to the OBGYN professionals, are you one? I think not! Pollonegro is out!
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Why come back to south America?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2223444]Surely you jest. Or either the guy with unlimited funds has not been to many countries. I regularly do a 3 hour international roundtrip Manila to Bangkok for that price. I remember me and another board member bought a ticket from Angeles City to Bangkok for $1! Europe has Ryan Air. Asia has Air Asia.[/QUOTE]If Asia has $1 flights? I find it amazing the deals that you seniors find, even more amazing that you post it. The valuable information is never posted, I wonder why?
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2223975]If Asia has $1 flights? I find it amazing the deals that you seniors find[/QUOTE]No need to find them, they find me. All the airlines I use provide price alerts. I just let them know I want to go from Here to There for less than $X and they send me a message when flights become available.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2223969]I make that $800 cop last a full 24 hours. Make no mistake, I have an abundance of cash, but I'm not a fool with it either. You senior guys have to stop taking my post personal, clearly I must be telling the truth or stepping on toes for you to call me contradictory. No way have I or will I ever pay $600 mil pesos for a 1. 5 hour session, not as long as girls walk Vera cruz and perform for $30 mil pesos. Face it, if you're in Poblado, you're paying for safety, not better vaginal services. Leave the vaginal inspection to the OBGYN professionals, are you one? I think not! Pollonegro is out![/QUOTE]A long time ago, I rented a spare room to a guy who worked for me. I had a neighbor at the time who used to come by on occasion, when her husband was out of town. Once the roommate moved in, she would just walk over and ask me if I could fix her sink, or help hang a picture and we'd go back to her house. After 4 or 5 times the roommate tells me, "she's always coming over here. Clearly she's hot for me."
One possibility is that you're stepping on toes. The other possibility is that you're being contradictory.
Okay, you make 800 k last for 24 hours. Your 30 k Veracruz girl needs to ride 26 dicks in 24 hours and hope for 20 k in tips to match that. Now, I'm guessing you're probably not busting 26 times every 24 hours and I'm also guessing at least some of that time is down time, unless you're coking up for several days straight. Actually, if you're doing coke 24/7 everything fits.
Those Veracruz girls are doing great if they make 150 k per day. If they break 200, they've hit the lottery. Most days they're happy to hit 100 k. So, 800 k to put up with one dick, is probably better than hoping for 5 dicks. I know if someone offers me one month of my current pay to work for 1 day, I'm calling in sick.
Now take the guys staying in Poblado. They're paying 200 k for 1 to 4 hours, or 400 k for 8 to 12 hours. If they want, they're spending 14-18 hours of the day with 2 to 4 girls, including 1 overnight and they're paying about the same amount as you're paying. Yet you want to argue that you're getting a bargain, while they are paying too much.
Yes, there are guys paying $200 - $300 for an hour. You won't find many of them here. They don't go places looking for cheap sex, they are out to party. They'll drop $1000 on a bar tab without a thought. I've seen them walk into a bar, 4 guys and 6 girls, grab another 6 girls and head back to their $800 night penthouse to party. That's their thing, but it's not mongering. Most of that type wouldn't believe you if you told them the girl they just gave $200 to was a prostitute.
You have lots of money. That's great. You have lots of free time. That's fantastic. You have 20 girls who will do what you want for what you want to pay. Super. However, there's really no benefit to constantly criticize others for A. Not having as much money as you, be. Not having as much free time as you, see. Spending their money the way they want, and the. Not doing things the way you do.
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Great Post.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2224131]A long time ago, I rented a spare room to a guy who worked for me. I had a neighbor at the time who used to come by on occasion, when her husband was out of town. Once the roommate moved in, she would just walk over and ask me if I could fix her sink, or help hang a picture and we'd go back to her house. After 4 or 5 times the roommate tells me, "she's always coming over here. Clearly she's hot for me."
One possibility is that you're stepping on toes. The other possibility is that you're being contradictory.
Okay, you make 800 k last for 24 hours. Your 30 k Veracruz girl needs to ride 26 dicks in 24 hours and hope for 20 k in tips to match that. Now, I'm guessing you're probably not busting 26 times every 24 hours and I'm also guessing at least some of that time is down time, unless you're coking up for several days straight. Actually, if you're doing coke 24/7 everything fits.
Those Veracruz girls are doing great if they make 150 k per day. If they break 200, they've hit the lottery. Most days they're happy to hit 100 k. So, 800 k to put up with one dick, is probably better than hoping for 5 dicks. I know if someone offers me one month of my current pay to work for 1 day, I'm calling in sick..[/QUOTE]But if you read it slowly, clearly, it takes 2 to disagree, & from my recollection, only the senior, wise men know everything. May I appear critical, because it was I who was first criticized? That could never be the case though, the senior wise men would never do that. Remember, what works for one, may not work for all.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2224131]A long time ago, I rented a spare room to a guy who worked for me. I had a neighbor at the time who used to come by on occasion, when her husband was out of town. Once the roommate moved in, she would just walk over and ask me if I could fix her sink, or help hang a picture and we'd go back to her house. After 4 or 5 times the roommate tells me, "she's always coming over here. Clearly she's hot for me."
One possibility is that you're stepping on toes. The other possibility is that you're being contradictory.
Okay, you make 800 k last for 24 hours. Your 30 k Veracruz girl needs to ride 26 dicks in 24 hours and hope for 20 k in tips to match that. Now, I'm guessing you're probably not busting 26 times every 24 hours and I'm also guessing at least some of that time is down time, unless you're coking up for several days straight. Actually, if you're doing coke 24/7 everything fits.
Those Veracruz girls are doing great if they make 150 k per day. If they break 200, they've hit the lottery. Most days they're happy to hit 100 k. So, 800 k to put up with one dick, is probably better than hoping for 5 dicks. I know if someone offers me one month of my current pay to work for 1 day, I'm calling in sick.
Now take the guys staying in Poblado. They're paying 200 k for 1 to 4 hours, or 400 k for 8 to 12 hours. If they want, they're spending 14-18 hours of the day with 2 to 4 girls, including 1 overnight and they're paying about the same amount as you're paying. Yet you want to argue that you're getting a bargain, while they are paying too much.
Yes, there are guys paying $200 - $300 for an hour. You won't find many of them here. They don't go places looking for cheap sex, they are out to party. They'll drop $1000 on a bar tab without a thought. I've seen them walk into a bar, 4 guys and 6 girls, grab another 6 girls and head back to their $800 night penthouse to party. That's their thing, but it's not mongering. Most of that type wouldn't believe you if you told them the girl they just gave $200 to was a prostitute.
You have lots of money. That's great. You have lots of free time. That's fantastic. You have 20 girls who will do what you want for what you want to pay. Super. However, there's really no benefit to constantly criticize others for A. Not having as much money as you, be. Not having as much free time as you, see. Spending their money the way they want, and the. Not doing things the way you do.[/QUOTE]Your statement is spot on as I have seen it played out many times: "Most of that type wouldn't believe you if you told them the girl they just gave $200 to was a prostitute. ".
The Tall Man.
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Again and again.
Colombia is not a westernized country.
The more money you give or spend in the developed world, you are respected and treated as such. The more money you give and spend in Colombia, the more naive and weaker Colombians think you are. She asked for drinks and you never refused, plus the translator thing at a Centro strip club, etc, thereby gave a green light. Glad you talked to the manager.
[QUOTE=Duncan216;2239733]Could have just been a one off but I had a really bad experience at Maracaibo.
First time in Colombia, I went to o Maracaibo and the owner was nice enough to show me where the ATM was like two or three blocks away. I went into the club and a woman sat next to me and started chatting me up in Spanish. My Spanish was really bad so we used a translator. I asked if she did BBBJ and she said yes and she would do anything I asked for $25 worth of pesos (I think it was 75 k pesos). I said yes and went to the back with her. She asked for the money up front and asked for me to buy her another drink. I forgot the rules that everyone tells you on this form and gave the money up front (my mistake) and bought her the 2nd drink. She sniffed some coke and got naked. Her breasts went all the way to the ground and she was chubby. She went from a 7 (I'the pay for this) to a 3 (would pass her up at a club if she threw herself at me). She then tried to put a condom on me. I told her she either gave me a BBBJ or my money back.).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]Colombia is not a westernized country.
The more money you give or spend in the developed world, you are respected and treated as such. The more money you give and spend in Colombia, the more naive and weaker Colombians think you are. She asked for drinks and you never refused, plus the translator thing at a Centro strip club, etc, thereby gave a green light. Glad you talked to the manager.[/QUOTE]Bingo! You are wise beyond your post count.
I'd add that the more money you give, the more likely you are to be a victim of a robbery or scam.
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Hahaha.
[QUOTE=Combo;2240151]Bingo! You are wise beyond your post count.
I'd add that the more money you give, the more likely you are to be a victim of a robbery or scam.[/QUOTE]So the guy set himself up to get robbed by buying the puta a second $4 beer, even though the "naive" Colombianos are in there buying them all night long on the weekends? That's why they sell them. Lolol I'm sure Blue Touch appreciates the pat on the back though. Water seeks it's own level I suppose. Guys like you are the ones that don't even tip in US restaurants. We get it.
Bingo! You are wise beyond your post count. I'd add that the more money you give, the more likely you are to be a victim of a robbery or scam.
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Lol.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]plus the translator thing at a Centro strip club, etc, thereby gave a green light. [/QUOTE]How many times have we heard this one? Seems some don't want the newbies in the Centro strip clubs, but keep them. The rooms are nasty. God help you if a fire breaks out while you are locked up in the attic at Bara Ejectiva. The neighborhood is depressing at night to say the least, plus plucking a diamond out of the rough can be a chore.
Most of us are never going to be fluent in Spanish so the phone / translator is going to come out at times, especially if the girl keeps talking fast. I've used the translator on well over 100 occasions and got adequate to excellent service. I've kept my phone in my pocket a number of times and gotten a bad deal. No doubt your conclusion sounds good to many ears but it doesn't follow from the evidence. There's bad putas out there, plus they know foreigners regardless of how good their Spanish is.
P.S. The guy bought the girl a second cheap beer to take in the back. Big deal. Isn't like he was making it rain on the stage.
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Colombia is not a westernized country
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]Colombia is not a westernized country.
The more money you give or spend in the developed world, you are respected and treated as such. The more money you give and spend in Colombia, the more naive and weaker Colombians think you are. She asked for drinks and you never refused, plus the translator thing at a Centro strip club, etc, thereby gave a green light. Glad you talked to the manager.[/QUOTE]Ok, advice noted.
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Cool.
[QUOTE=SBTiger;2240255]Ok, advice noted.[/QUOTE]Only problem is the affirmation had nothing to do with the price of rice in China in the context of Duncan216's report, wrong launching pad for the sermon. But carry on.
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Credit Card and Debit Cards?
Hello,
Will be heading to Medellin. It has been recommended to use a credit card with no transaction fees when possible for best rates. Anyone recommend any one specific for Colombia. Also any bank that will not charge a big transaction fee when using the ATM machines. Also what bank's ATM should I use once I'm there. I tend to exchange cash but as it has been pointed out, it seems like I'm losing some money by doing that. Been to Medellin 3 times and would be happy to answer any other question.
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=Mufasa1;2254725]Hello,
Will be heading to Medellin. It has been recommended to use a credit card with no transaction fees when possible for best rates. Anyone recommend any one specific for Colombia. Also any bank that will not charge a big transaction fee when using the ATM machines. Also what bank's ATM should I use once I'm there. I tend to exchange cash but as it has been pointed out, it seems like I'm losing some money by doing that. Been to Medellin 3 times and would be happy to answer any other question.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Charles Schwab. No ATM fees at any ATM anywhere in the world.
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Colombia is not americanized
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]Colombia is not a westernized country.[/QUOTE]You are confusing USA with the western world, or even the developed world. Not the same thing at all. I love Colombia because it is a western country (I. E. European heritage) that is not americanized.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]The more money you give or spend in the developed world, you are respected and treated as such. [/QUOTE]This is true in USA, Dominican Republic, Haiti and such countries.
[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2239801]The more money you give and spend in Colombia, the more naive and weaker Colombians think you are. [/QUOTE]This is true in Colombia as in many developed and / or western countries.
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I don't.
Trust you, that is.
[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2261915]Trust me, you're the only one who understands what "simulated GFE" is. GFE is a simulated experience by definition. So why add a second "simulated" when everyone already knows it's simulated? So when you say "simulated GFE", you are actually saying, simulated simulated GFE. Which makes no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]I might trust you some if you were providing anything beneficial here, but it appears you're just here to be argumentative. I suppose it's a side effect of slamming clams. You should stay away from the geoducks. They stretch you out and leave you grumpy.
If you have ever stayed at the Mansion, you might understand simulated GFE. Probably not, but I'm trying to be generous.
Because I wanted first hand experience, I spent 2 nights there. I didn't need to stay there, since I already had a nice apartment and my Spanish is good enough for me to get by. However, if I'm going to give advice to people, I prefer to have experience of my own, rather than rely on what I've heard from others.
There are a group of girls who are regulars. They are there several times a week. There are others who only come by a few times per week. Several of the girls prefer to get in 2 or 3 customers each night. They do all the basic things that most guys consider GFE. They do these things 10-20 times a week with 10 or more guys. It's like they're following a recipe.
For many of the Mansion regulars it doesn't matter. The experience is still better and cheaper, and with a much younger, prettier woman than anything they've experienced at home. However, some of us have a higher standard.
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[QUOTE=Mufasa1;2254725]Hello,
Will be heading to Medellin. It has been recommended to use a credit card with no transaction fees when possible for best rates. Anyone recommend any one specific for Colombia. Also any bank that will not charge a big transaction fee when using the ATM machines. Also what bank's ATM should I use once I'm there. I tend to exchange cash but as it has been pointed out, it seems like I'm losing some money by doing that. Been to Medellin 3 times and would be happy to answer any other question.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Chase amazon prime no transaction fees.
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[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282121]Does any of the girls in Santa Fe speak basic English? At least can say the prices in English? It's hard to believe they are in this business but still can't speak a few words in English to get non-Spanish speaking clients.[/QUOTE]Such arrogance! You go pussy chasing in a Spanish speaking country and you expect English on top of them fucking your sorry ass.
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Dude,
Calm down, did I talk about your family that you get so defensive? My expectations are not too high, as Colombians learn English in school as the second language so it's not surprising if they know at least few words and numbers. What's wrong with you?
[QUOTE=Nyahbinghi83;2282459]Such arrogance! You go pussy chasing in a Spanish speaking country and you expect English on top of them fucking your sorry ass.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Combo;2282624]IEven harder to believe you'd go to a Spanish-speaking country and not know at least how to say prices.
That said, you'll get by somehow. I speak Spanish, but I've been to destinations where I didn't know the language and I was able to get by.[/QUOTE]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.
[QUOTE=Combo;2282624]Ever consider the Philippines? They speak English. The place is tailor made for guys like you.[/QUOTE]I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.
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[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282698]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.
I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.[/QUOTE]Where did you get the information that Colombians learn English in School? Whoever the source is, you might want to disregard any other information from that source.
Some students, in some schools, take some English classes. This is by no means the majority of students and it certainly isn't true with the majority of prostitutes. Most will know a few English words, but not enough to carry on any type of transaction.
If you want to find Colombian girls who speak decent English, try hanging out in the Estrato 6 barrios. You'll get about a 30% chance there. Of course your chance of getting one to fuck you for 30 k COP is somewhere around 0.001%.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2282979]Where did you get the information that Colombians learn English in School? [/QUOTE]They may not learn it but they are taught it. I have a daughter in the school system in Colombia and she has had english lessons for the last two years, she is ten years old.
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Tagalog v Spanish.
[QUOTE=XBoyx;2282698]You said it's harder to believe that I'm going to Colombia without knowing Spanish, then you said you have been to the countries that you didn't know the language! See? It shouldn't be so hard to believe then.
I lived in Philippines for 2 years few years ago and was there again 2 months ago along with Thailand and Cambodia. Been to Dubai and Ukraine too. I'm not a stupid person and will find my way or worst case scenario Google translator can help. But as Colombians study English in their school I thought it shouldn't be hard for a hooker to say her price in English.[/QUOTE]A Pinay camgirl I was bonking told me they have the edge over Colombians because they have much better English. Off topic but they might be better in the sack too.
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[QUOTE=Manizales911;2283315]They may not learn it but they are taught it. I have a daughter in the school system in Colombia and she has had english lessons for the last two years, she is ten years old.[/QUOTE]I guess it depends on if that is general available before for the current adult population to learn it. They also may not have enough qualified teachers.
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All is fair in Love and Mongering
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2287531]I lived in Medellin for 354 consecutive days, which I've stated before. I'm now back in the US, which has nothing to do with the points I made. That time started April 8, 2017 and ended March 28,2018. In 2018 alone, in less than 3 months I was in El Centro at least 75 times. I went there nearly every day, sometimes twice a day. I've been all over El Centro, from El Mirador down to the river. Between late July 2017 and when I left I probably walked 400 miles or more in El Centro. I even rode my bike through El Centro a few times. I've taken a lot of mongers and even a few Colombians and given them tours of El Centro. My last night in Medellin, I spent, until after midnight, 50' below the warzone above El Centro, hanging with some Colombian friends at their house. They all walked with me far enough down the hill to catch a taxi, because taxis won't go there at night. Now are you ready to take the rebuttal serious?
I don't try to scare new mongers. I also don't recommend they do stupid things. Quite the opposite. I've told a lot of guys how to get around in El Centro. I've also told them to find their own comfort zone. If El Centro freaks them out, they can go somewhere else. I don't try to force them to like El Centro, or to do things they aren't comfortable with.
Disrobing in an unfamiliar environment is always a risk? Always? You must be terrified of doctor's offices. For your sake, I hope you never join a gym. Oh the horror!
Disrobing in a casa is safer than disrobing in your own room. Why? Because the casa has to protect the patrons. How long would New Life be around if the girls were robbing the customers? How long would they be in business if they are letting guys in to rob and murder the customers? It's also safer because you've limited your risk. The girl isn't going to steal your laptop, or the 800 k pesos you've got stashed in your room. She's not going to drug you and clean you out. She's not going to pull out a straight razor and try to slash your throat. The only risk you face is that she'll either be lousy in bed, or she'll waste some time and you'll pay an extra $4.
The reason why it matters that every one of these girls has lots of friends and family, is that you're just another gringo. If you bring a girl to your room and then refuse to pay her because you found fault with her, she's not likely to just accept the constructive criticism. If she finds herself stuck, because she had promised the money, you agreed to pay, to someone else, she's going to call someone, crying for help. If she cries loud enough, then someone might decide you need to pay up, one way or another. It happens a few times a year in Medellin. If you're kicking out several girls, because you haven't learned how to pick them, you're eventually going to meet up with a pissed off Colombian.
No gringo ever gets killed in a casa. Gringos either get killed on the street, or in their room.
I'm not saying don't take girls to your room. I'm saying, if you make a deal with a girl, stick to the deal. Don't try to shame her. Don't try to kick her out without paying her. Give her the money and make a note not to call her again. You're out $30? $50? You're the guy who claimed to have unlimited money. Surely you can handle the cost of a meal at a decent US restaurant. If it happens in a casa, don't argue for a refund. Pay the fee and then mention the issue to the manager. Show respect, be polite and it will go a long way.
I don't provide pictures to other mongers, because a picture is worthless. You just proved that in the Bogota thread. You see a couple pictures of girls that are about average and suddenly, you're thinking you need to go to Bogota. Those pictures won't tell you anything about how those girls will respond to you. More importantly, they won't tell you where to find those girls 3 months from now.
Photosprepagos is an ad site. The girls advertising there are looking for customers. Those pictures tell you very little. Hold that picture up to your nose. Does that pussy smell clean? What about the ass? Can that picture handle a real deep throat, or is it just going to take 4 inches? Does that picture fuck like it hasn't had good dick for 3 years, or does the picture just lay there and make fake moaning noises? Was that picture taken last week, or 2 years ago? The pictures are nice to look at. That's all. You're going to have a lot of disappointing experiences if you're choosing based solely on looks, even more if you're going just off of pictures.
The only good thing about pictures is that a lot of people who will never go to Colombia, will pay for a membership so they can see pictures of the girls they'll never fuck..[/QUOTE]It was said, and I quote, I don't provide pictures to other mongers, because a picture is worthless. You just proved that in the Bogota thread. You see a couple pictures of girls that are about average and suddenly, you're thinking you need to go to Bogota. Those pictures won't tell you anything about how those girls will respond to you. More importantly, they won't tell you where to find those girls 3 months from now.
You don't provide pics because you don't have them. Only a self absorbed individual makes outlandish opinionated statements of such. Clearly you're not a doctor, cause you would know better and lets not talk about finances as the consensus thinks if you talk about money then you're broke, which is far from the truth. Never once said I haven't been to a casa, Wolf himself can vouch and tell you that he took me to my first casa in Medellin and I banged a really cute morena from Venezuela, but she didn't allow me to take pics and it was a pretty fast event, like 30 minutes. Not my kind of thing, I usually find a girl I connect with and I keep her a while, many hours like 6 or more.
Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.
Difference with me and many guys who like Casa's, I can actually say, that I have been banging some of the same chic's for over a year now. So photos and videos really count. If a board member ask me for a photo of a girl that I have had a session with, I can send the member a photo that I took with my phone, not a facebook filtered photo. They are several members who have thanked me for recommending a few girls and sending over the same girl that was in the photo and the video that I allowed them to see.
Many stories, that I read on the board I don't believe not one damn bit, I read the story and I am like, damn, there must be a different Centro, because I have been here for the past two weeks and no one has robbed me, No one has threatened to kill me, no one has threatened to kidnap me, So when many members post about there fears, that exactly what it is, there fears. I guarantee you that I am seen in Centro so much, that people actually think that I live there because I'm there so much. There is a reason that girls stand along the sidewalks in Vera Cruz, to be seen and picked up for dates. If you are only a wam bam 15 minute and damn type of dude, then Casa might be the place for you. I still feel much more safer taking a girl back to my room. Another thing that I will guarantee, a majority of the chics in Vera Cruz that stand on them sidewalks, not only sell themselves for a price, they like to have sex and if you treat them well and pay them a little more than the norm, they will screw your brains out and allow you to take Pics, Videos, take them shopping, take them to dinner and all sorts of things you can't do for multiple hours at a Cass, as I always say, All is fair and understood. Pollo Negro Is out!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2287531]I lived in Medellin for 354 consecutive days, which I've stated before. I'm now back in the US, which has nothing to do with the points I made. That time started April 8, 2017 and ended March 28,2018. In 2018 alone, in less than 3 months I was in El Centro at least 75 times. I went there nearly every day, sometimes twice a day. I've been all over El Centro, from El Mirador down to the river. Between late July 2017 and when I left I probably walked 400 miles or more in El Centro. I even rode my bike through El Centro a few times. I've taken a lot of mongers and even a few Colombians and given them tours of El Centro. My last night in Medellin, I spent, until after midnight, 50' below the warzone above El Centro, hanging with some Colombian friends at their house. They all walked with me far enough down the hill to catch a taxi, because taxis won't go there at night.[/QUOTE]I need to confirm that JjBee62 is being meticulously accurate. On my last visit to Medellin, he and another monger had been out walking some of the barrios and we met at my hotel in Laureles and walked to a restaurant and chatted for quite a while. After our other had to leave for a 'hot date', JjBee62 and I walked to the Estadio metro station. He was nothing but helpful. We both spoke Spanish well enough to get along but tall white dudes kind of stick out. So, his point of why cause a fracas for a few dollars. It's just not worth it. Move on, if you can't walk away from 30 mil ($10 US) you should be in another country, maybe Thailand or Philippines. I'm not sure how to say this, but there are a few rules of the road. (1) Don't mess with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls, if you aren't sure, go elsewhere. (2) Don't give someone a reason to want to make you disappear. I'm not saying to be a doormat but be gracious when you call them out. This ain't Brooklyn / Chicago / Miami or whichever tough town you come from. This is their country, don't make them lose face. To a Latino that is almost worse than if you impregnated his sister.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287849]
Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.
[/QUOTE]Well that's key right there brotha Pollo!
Fluent Spanish, treat girls right, and Pay for what you want.
Most dudes maybe get 1 out of those 3.
Your situational awareness out in Centro is I'm sure way better than most.
Speaking spanish and experience man!
You're not the wounded duck.
Casas used to rock in Medellin!
Before the "map" and the influx, LOL.
Keep on Truckin'.
Balboa out!
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I wish you would write linearly. You bounce around like a rubber ball on meth. I'll try to split your post up into something that makes sense.
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287849]You don't provide pics because you don't have them. Only a self absorbed individual makes outlandish opinionated statements of such. Clearly you're not a doctor, cause you would know better and lets not talk about finances as the consensus thinks if you talk about money then you're broke, which is far from the truth. Never once said I haven't been to a casa, Wolf himself can vouch and tell you that he took me to my first casa in Medellin and I banged a really cute morena from Venezuela, but she didn't allow me to take pics and it was a pretty fast event, like 30 minutes. Not my kind of thing, I usually find a girl I connect with and I keep her a while, many hours like 6 or more.[/QUOTE]You're correct. I don't have photos of every girl I've been with. I don't take photos or videos of each girl, because I'm not with her to take photos. I have better things to do with my time. Actually, I have hundreds of photos, but those photos were taken, mostly during photo shoots, for a specific purpose. Some of the models I sessioned with, some I didn't.
Okay. I just realized it's going to be impossible to make any sense out of this. I'm stuck with trying to bounce in sympathy with your delusion.
I have no response to the "self absorbed" comment, because I don't want to take the time to explain irony. I also have no idea why you need to state that I'm not a doctor.
Finances? Again you've lost me. In one post you tell people not to go to casas because the girl might waste some time so you're stuck paying more. Then you say casas won't give refunds to unhappy mongers. Finally you follow it up with being able to pay a girl in your room 20 k and kick her out if you're not happy. Now you don't want to talk about finances?
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2286788]Many members have asked me the location to Casas and I just don't know where the casa's are and I never have sex in the Casa's.[/QUOTE]Pardon me for assuming this means you don't go to casas. As I've said way too many times, do what works for you. If you prefer to have girls in your room, have them in your room. If you prefer casas, streetwalkers, bar girls or the trannies by Parque Botero, do that. You prefer long sessions. You prefer to take pictures and video. You prefer to pay more than guys normally pay. Do what makes you happy.
The don't part is, don't tell people going to casas is unsafe, when by your own admission, you don't go to casas (except 1 time).
[QUOTE]Truth is, I haven't had many bad situations in Medellin, especially in Centro, because I do the one thing that most mongers should do before initiating a deal, I make my request clear, I speak Spanish fluently and treat the girls as best as I can and allow them to make more money in a day than they would probably make in a week.[/QUOTE]Looks like I need to quote you again.
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2287449]What does me kicking several girls out have to do with them having cousins, brothers & friends.[/QUOTE]Is it, that you haven't had many problems, or that you've kicked several girls out? It's rather difficult to discuss anything with you when you're constantly contradicting yourself.
[QUOTE]Difference with me and many guys who like Casa's, I can actually say, that I have been banging some of the same chic's for over a year now. So photos and videos really count. If a board member ask me for a photo of a girl that I have had a session with, I can send the member a photo that I took with my phone, not a facebook filtered photo. They are several members who have thanked me for recommending a few girls and sending over the same girl that was in the photo and the video that I allowed them to see.[/QUOTE]I've said it before. I have no desire to be a pimp. I'm not running an escort service. Because I'm not a pimp I have no reason to send photos and videos to mongers. I also don't send girls to mongers. That would be illegal in Colombia.
Also previously stated, I rarely recommend a particular girl to anyone. In the few cases when I do, pictures aren't necessary. In those situations I'm referring someone I know to someone I know. I'm not recommending a pair of tits or an ass. I'm recommending a person, with a personality, to a person with a personality. I'm making the recommendation because based on my experience, the two people will be a good match. I'm not doing it because the guy is looking for a particular body type.
[QUOTE]Many stories, that I read on the board I don't believe not one damn bit, I read the story and I am like, damn, there must be a different Centro, because I have been here for the past two weeks and no one has robbed me, No one has threatened to kill me, no one has threatened to kidnap me, So when many members post about there fears, that exactly what it is, there fears. I guarantee you that I am seen in Centro so much, that people actually think that I live there because I'm there so much. There is a reason that girls stand along the sidewalks in Vera Cruz, to be seen and picked up for dates. If you are only a wam bam 15 minute and damn type of dude, then Casa might be the place for you. I still feel much more safer taking a girl back to my room. Another thing that I will guarantee, a majority of the chics in Vera Cruz that stand on them sidewalks, not only sell themselves for a price, they like to have sex and if you treat them well and pay them a little more than the norm, they will screw your brains out and allow you to take Pics, Videos, take them shopping, take them to dinner and all sorts of things you can't do for multiple hours at a Cass, as I always say, All is fair and understood. Pollo Negro Is out![/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure you're confusing me with someone else, either that or there's a good reason why your post is incoherent.
I don't write about El Centro being a deathtrap. I've told the facts about El Centro. I've told people how to avoid problems, wherever they go. Unlike several other guys I've never told people not to go to El Centro. However, if you make a habit of "kicking several girls out", regardless of where you are in Colombia, you're running an unnecessary risk.
Here's another "don't" for you: Don't guarantee things you can't back up. Unless you've had sex with the majority of the girls in Veracruz, along with taking them to dinner, taking them shopping and taking pics and videos of them, you can't say what the majority will allow. I'm sure many of them are just as you say. But that really doesn't matter. Nobody goes to a casa to take a girl to dinner. Nobody goes to a casa to take a girl shopping. Almost nobody goes to a casa to hangout with a girl for multiple hours. Guys go to casas for a quick, convenient fuck. If they enjoy the girl, they get her number and at a later time do whatever they want for however long they want with her.
Then again, not too many guys go down to Veracruz to find a dinner companion.
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Flawed analysis
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]The original question assumes a complete rookie did something stupid. Correction, did a few stupid things. 1. he went to Medellin without doing any research. 2. he accepted a initial, well above standard rate offer (in pesos). 3. he never confirmed the price. [/QUOTE]It's easy to say something is stupid, but calling it so ad nauseam doesn't make it so. 300, though on the higher end is fair for a top girl. Plus any lack in skills of negotiation is beside the point. The price was confirmed at 300 in the default currency.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371] Confirmed the price, because he would know many girls in Gusto ask for dollars from gringos. [/QUOTE]That's interesting. Now stupidity equates with ignorance. Looks as though you yourself are ignorant, or just like to make yourself feel important on the internet by calling others stupid. Many quote in pesos in Gusto. Anyone quoting in dollars needs to call the currency what it is.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]But, let's say it happens and I happen to walk up in the middle of the heated argument between the girl and the GTC (Google Translate Commando). First thing, I get her side of the story. Next I get his side. I explain each side to the other. Then, because I'm a nice guy, I'll explain to her that he doesn't have dollars, he has pesos, and he doesn't have that much money. I'll tell her that I will get him to pay what he can and I will tell her to say "dolares" next time. [/QUOTE]Nice fantasy, saving the day for some poor hapless user of a translator app. Grandiosity at it's best, though we have no proof that you are anywhere near fluent in Spanish.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Then, I'll tell him that he fucked up. [/QUOTE]Asserting it again and again doesn't make it so. He got a price in the default currency. She fucked up if she wanted dollars.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Now assuming someone doesn't come along to rescue the GTC, he's on his own. If she makes enough noise, security or the police are likely to show up. Whose side will they take? If he's lucky he gets away with paying 500 k. If he's unlucky. Worst case, she tells the cop she's not of age, that she's using her cousin's cedula and that he knew she was only 16.[/QUOTE]You can come up will all sorts of scenarios as to why you should give into extortion. What if she demands 10 K dollars or she files a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] complaint? The by far most likely scenario here is that she takes her 300 mil pesos and goes to buy her nose candy, provided you are man enough to stand your ground. I've stood up to extortion many times over 20 years and never seen a cop at the door.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]Any time you let a situation escalate to the point where police are involved, you're swimming with the sharks. [/QUOTE]Hyperbole / exaggeration.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]So, the final answer is:
1. he needs to keep the situation calm. [/QUOTE]Agreed, if possible without giving into extortion.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]2. he needs to explain the confusion. [/QUOTE]Any genuine confusion about the type of currency is extremely unlikely, so you're making an invalid assumption.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]3. he needs to work out a deal that she will accept. [/QUOTE]She needs to take the 300 pesos and go.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288371]If he can talk her into 300 k, great. If she's not budging off of $300, he's better off paying it, than risking an escalation.[/QUOTE]What if she demands 10 K dolares or else? Are you still on board? Call the bluff. If the cops come you can always re-evaluate. They do this because of guys like you and others who follow your bad advice. That's the "final answer. ".
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There's a reason for that.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288187]I have no response to the "self absorbed" comment[/QUOTE]Because there is no valid response other than agreement. Just read your posts and count the "I"s. It's all about you, how smart you are, how stupid others are, how you are the resident expert on Medellin, and how everyone should be sitting at your feet pleading for wisdom. You are hands down one of the biggest jokes I've seen on the internet. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2288533]She needs to take the 300 pesos and go.
What if she demands 10 K dolares or else? Are you still on board? Call the bluff. If the cops come you can always re-evaluate. They do this because of guys like you and others who follow your bad advice. That's the "final answer. ".[/QUOTE]Same shit happened to me in Sosua. Chick called the cops saying I did not want to give the agreed upon amount. I asked the cop how much he made a month. And she wants you to believe I agreed to give her that much for a few hours? Who could be that stupid? The cop made her go home.
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I can't take you serious.
Because, Vane's list is frequently mentioned in the forum and all she does is send photos and prices, but the lord forbids that a monger named Pollo negro mention sending photos then I'm labeled a pimp? You said. I've said it before. I have no desire to be a pimp. I'm not running an escort service. Because I'm not a pimp I have no reason to send photos and videos to mongers. I also don't send girls to mongers. That would be illegal in Colombia. But you haven't had vane arrested or criticized her. Face it, you're a failed camera man who was forced out of Medellin after your coins ran out. You're also the same arrogant know it all who compared a casa to a Dr's office, but you say that I bounce around like I'm on meth? Stay out of centro and away from the magic pixi-dust made famous by Boston George & Diego. Pollo negro is Out.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2288533]It's easy to say something is stupid, but calling it so ad nauseam doesn't make it so. 300, though on the higher end is fair for a top girl. Plus any lack in skills of negotiation is beside the point. The price was confirmed at 300 in the default currency.
That's interesting. Now stupidity equates with ignorance. Looks as though you yourself are ignorant, or just like to make yourself feel important on the internet by calling others stupid. Many quote in pesos in Gusto. Anyone quoting in dollars needs to call the currency what it is.
Nice fantasy, saving the day for some poor hapless user of a translator app. Grandiosity at it's best, though we have no proof that you are anywhere near fluent in Spanish.
Asserting it again and again doesn't make it so. He got a price in the default currency. She fucked up if she wanted dollars.
You can come up will all sorts of scenarios as to why you should give into extortion. What if she demands 10 K dollars or she files a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] complaint? The by far most likely scenario here is that she takes her 300 mil pesos and goes to buy her nose candy, provided you are man enough to stand your ground. I've stood up to extortion many times over 20 years and never seen a cop at the door.[/QUOTE]Let me guess. You're off your medication again.
I recall the very first time you ever went to Poblado. Do you remember? I remember the second time you came to Poblado. You came specifically looking for me. I also recall all of the complaints you had about the girls. Bad service, bad odors.
Mostly I recall, towards the end of the trip when I met up with you, you went completely psycho, all because you bought pizza for a bunch of Venezuelans and they didn't say thank you. When I pointed out your expectations were too high you made me the target of your psychosis. I think I still have the WhatsApp messages. They make interesting reading, from a clinical standpoint.
On your next trip, after you came looking for me, you told me you had been drugged and robbed in Laureles. You ended up in the hospital. You suggested I write about it, but leave your name out, because you were embarrassed. I complied. You were angry because the hospital sent you a bill, I believe for 400 k and you didn't want to pay it. $133 to possibly save your life and you were angry about the cost. As before, just before the end of your trip, you went psycho again. This time because you claimed I wrote the story about you being drugged wrong. The differences were insignificant, but you were completely unhinged. I ended up having to block you here and on WhatsApp.
Now, after 2 short visits to Poblado, both in my company, with no visits to Gusto, or any other dance clubs, you're an expert on the girls who hang out in Gusto? I'll take it a step further. After all your trips, going to almost exclusively casas and El Centro strip clubs, and failing to seal the deal with a Venezuelan chica, you're an expert on the higher end girls in El Poblado?
I've talked to a few people who ran into the exact problem with a girl in Gusto quoting 200, without mentioning a currency and when they asked for clarification, discovered she meant dollars. A few people have written about similar instances, at Gusto, in the forum. In Gusto the girls are aware that a lot of the gringos there are complete rookies. They know that some of the guys aren't aware of the typical pricing. They know that some girls get $200, $300 and even more from guys in Gusto. Many of them try for dollars first.
$10 k? Now who's using hyperbole? Have you heard of a single instance of a girl from Gusto asking for anywhere near that amount? After all your trips to Gusto, has any girl from there ever asked you for $10 k? Oops. I forgot, you've never been there. Even if you went, you'd never get in, because there's a cover charge.
If a girl demands $10 k after the fact, I'll happily call the police for her. We'll have a good laugh over it. I've only had one girl try to give a price in dollars, before we met. It took about a minute on WhatsApp to get my price, in pesos.
BTW, Jim Morrison really wasn't all that special.
Now go crawl back under your rock, or should we trade WhatsApp screen captures?
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Once again it is he who knows all and has conquered none.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288187]I wish you would write linearly. You bounce around like a rubber ball on meth. I'll try to split your post up into something that makes sense.
You're correct. I don't have photos of every girl I've been with. I don't take photos or videos of each girl, because I'm not with her to take photos. I have better things to do with my time. Actually, I have hundreds of photos, but those photos were taken, mostly during photo shoots, for a specific purpose. Some of the models I sessioned with, some I didn't.
Okay. I just realized it's going to be impossible to make any sense out of this. I'm stuck with trying to bounce in sympathy with your delusion.
I have no response to the "self absorbed" comment, because I don't want to take the time to explain irony. I also have no idea why you need to state that I'm not a doctor.
Finances? Again you've lost me. In one post you tell people not to go to casas because the girl might waste some time so you're stuck paying more. Then you say casas won't give refunds to unhappy mongers. Finally you follow it up with being able to pay a girl in your room 20 k and kick her out if you're not happy. Now you don't want to talk about finances?..[/QUOTE]It is quite clear, that you can read, but your can not interpret what you read or you chose to interpret the post so that they make you feel justified in taking apart what another member writes.
1. what does taking pics have to do with making an individual a Pimp? 2. What does kicking a girl out of your room have to do with an individual being fearful of the girl's cousin and family? 3. What does me having one visit to a casa have to do with others who have reported that they have had some very bad experiences in casa's recently have to do with you being the foremost senior monger on experiences in Medellin? 4. What does visiting a casa have to do with a comparison to a Dr's office? This is where it is clear that you have a gift of deflection when you cannot account for your ridiculous posts.
Because you cannot keep up with the direction of my post, it doesn't mean that I am on Meth, what it does mean is that you are a lover of casa's and you only have enough funds to afford the wam bam thank you mam. Or am I doing what you do best, assuming? You really make the stupid thread thrive because you truly believe no one sees through you bologna, clearly we do, and many of us have professional activities that don't allow us to jump from the Medellin, Bogota, Barranquilla Sousa threads like you do. Truth is you're sitting home in the US hoping to find the finances to redeem yourself from your previous failures in Medellin. Cheer up champ, we all have bad days, sometimes 365 bad days in a foreign country. All is fair in love and mongering, Pollo Negro is Out!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2288554]Because there is no valid response other than agreement. Just read your posts and count the "I"s. It's all about you, how smart you are, how stupid others are, how you are the resident expert on Medellin, and how everyone should be sitting at your feet pleading for wisdom. You are hands down one of the biggest jokes I've seen on the internet. LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't really think there is any need to escalate tones. Calling someone who's been contributing on this forum for years "one of the biggest jokes on the internet" is hardly constructive or helping to defuse the situation. Some of your points are valid so why not let them do the talking instead?
P.S. I hope '97 is not your year of birth but the again, if it is, that would explain a few things.
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Sounds good.
[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2288677]I don't really think there is any need to escalate tones. Calling someone who's been contributing on this forum for years "one of the biggest jokes on the internet" is hardly constructive or helping to defuse the situation. Some of your points are valid so why not let them do the talking instead?
P.S. I hope '97 is not your year of birth but the again, if it is, that would explain a few things.[/QUOTE]Not my birth year, but your attempt to seize on that number sadly makes you a hypocrite when you object to personal attacks. Jjbee62 has brought his condescending tone, pseudo-intellectualism, personal insults, and misinformation to this forum for years and it's time to pay the piper. If you don't like it then sit your ass on the porch and watch. If he cares to respond to the scrutiny of his assertions (hope he does) then let him bring it. You though are obviously out of your league. Find yourself a comfortable seat amigo and enjoy yourself. This thread is designated for this type of discussion so save us the whining.
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[QUOTE=Baudelairemod;2288677]I don't really think there is any need to escalate tones. Calling someone who's been contributing on this forum for years "one of the biggest jokes on the internet" is hardly constructive or helping to defuse the situation. Some of your points are valid so why not let them do the talking instead?
P.S. I hope '97 is not your year of birth but the again, if it is, that would explain a few things.[/QUOTE]You don't need to pay much attention to him. Of all the mongers I met in Medellin, he's the only one I'd steer people away from. I've met guys who I didn't connect with, guys who couldn't carry a conversation and guys who had hygiene issues. I only met one guy who alternates between reasonably normal and completely insane.
I'm not the only one on the board who has experienced his irrational behavior.
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Kind of funny.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288796]You don't need to pay much attention to him. Of all the mongers I met in Medellin, he's the only one I'd steer people away from. I've met guys who I didn't connect with, guys who couldn't carry a conversation and guys who had hygiene issues. I only met one guy who alternates between reasonably normal and completely insane.
I'm not the only one on the board who has experienced his irrational behavior.[/QUOTE]I met Paulie97 and we had dinner and chopped it up, he didn't smell bad or behave irrational, very professional and had a very knowledgeable conversation, you're encounter must have been at a time when he was tossing back a few or just really enjoying the good greenery. Then again, if the situation doesn't make you top monger, the entire situation is problematic huh? Just my 2.5 cents. Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]$10 k? Now who's using hyperbole? Have you heard of a single instance of a girl from Gusto asking for anywhere near that amount? After all your trips to Gusto, has any girl from there ever asked you for $10 k? Oops. I forgot, you've never been there. Even if you went, you'd never get in, because there's a cover charge.
If a girl demands $10 k after the fact, I'll happily call the police for her.[/QUOTE]He had a very valid question. At what point or amount do you not give in and take your chances with the police coming instead?
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King Baby Unhinged.
Please forgive me for poking at your tender ego, and status as the smartest, most knowledgeable monger in the Medellin forum. We were having a technical debate regarding an important issue to us all, and you clearly were getting the worst of it. You were also called out for your smug, condescending attitude, something many of us have taken notice of. This hurt your feelings so badly that it illicit a kicking and screaming fit, violating personal confidences while threatening to post screenshots of private conversations. What a self-absorbed twerp. LOL You make my case for me so well.
Your butthurt post is all over the place, but I'll address a few of the relevent points.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]Now, after 2 short visits to Poblado, both in my company, with no visits to Gusto, or any other dance clubs, you're an expert on the girls who hang out in Gusto? [/QUOTE]JJBee you should have finished your degree as you are constantly committing logical fallacies, hyperbole, today ad hominen, and now you've erected a strawman. I'm not an expert on anything except two professional areas. And how do you know how many times I've been to El Pablado? I haven't seen you since December of 2017. But to buttress your argument you assume I've never been back? Hilarious, lying off the cuff in spite of the fact that you can be immediately exposed. LOL Reminds me of your claim to have gotten this 4 hour GFE from a certain Facebook girl for less money than another member paid for a so so short experience. I then investigated. She's not even on your Facebook friend list. So you just make stuff up on the fly, whatever might suit your self absorbed agenda. Plus I've seen that grotesque, unkept, fuller brush above your lip along with the droop-a-long walk and weeping willow posture. One thing is very certain, these girls are thrilled when you droop out the door.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]I've talked to a few people who ran into the exact problem with a girl in Gusto quoting 200, without mentioning a currency and when they asked for clarification, discovered she meant dollars. [/QUOTE]Of course you are going to say this, especially now that your back is against the wall. Given your history of logical fallacies and lying, your anecdotes have no credibility. And I know guys who've been quoted pesos there, so we have a wash. The main point still remains untouched. Pesos are the default currency in Medellin. Dollars aren't even dispensed in the ATMs. If the girl wants dollars the burden is on her to ask for them.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]A few people have written about similar instances, at Gusto, in the forum. [/QUOTE]Prove it. Provide links to the posts.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]In Gusto the girls are aware that a lot of the gringos there are complete rookies. They know that some of the guys aren't aware of the typical pricing. They know that some girls get $200, $300 and even more from guys in Gusto. Many of them try for dollars first. [/QUOTE]If true then they need to ask for dollars, but again, your pseudo-expertise and pontificating come with no credibility.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]$10 k? Now who's using hyperbole? Have you heard of a single instance of a girl from Gusto asking for anywhere near that amount? [/QUOTE]What girls charge for sex wasn't the issue. Extortion was, and we've established that you have a limit in the matter of paying girls off. Glad to hear it.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]BTW, Jim Morrison really wasn't all that special. [/QUOTE]I've hurt your feelings so badly you attack my favorite rock singer. King Baby unhinged. Love that one. LOLOLOL BTW remember what you told me about your special interests in Medellin? That conversation in the pool hall on la 70?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2288623]Crawl back under your rock [/QUOTE]Couldn't you come up with something a bit more original? Keep on drooping bro.
P.S. Folks the robbery story is true, a tranq not scope. Robbed once in a pretty long liketime at this point, not good but not too bad. Loses were very minimal. If anyone wants to know more about this experience PM me. The hospital bill was paid then reimbursed by travel insurance.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2288935]He had a very valid question. At what point or amount do you not give in and take your chances with the police coming instead?[/QUOTE]Me? I don't, because I don't put myself in that situation. I have always made certain that the girl and I are clear about payment before she ever enters my room. Not one has ever left unhappy. Not one has ever tried to change the price.
Hypothetically, if a girl tried to raise the price on me, I'd show her our agreed price, walk her out of the building and put her in a taxi after paying the agreed price. But I'm not a newbie who is too pussy blind to make certain of the price before taking the girl from the bar.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2288599]Because, Vane's list is frequently mentioned in the forum and all she does is send photos and prices, but the lord forbids that a monger named Pollo negro mention sending photos then I'm labeled a pimp? You said. I've said it before. I have no desire to be a pimp. I'm not running an escort service. Because I'm not a pimp I have no reason to send photos and videos to mongers. I also don't send girls to mongers. That would be illegal in Colombia. But you haven't had vane arrested or criticized her. Face it, you're a failed camera man who was forced out of Medellin after your coins ran out. You're also the same arrogant know it all who compared a casa to a Dr's office, but you say that I bounce around like I'm on meth? Stay out of centro and away from the magic pixi-dust made famous by Boston George & Diego. Pollo negro is Out.[/QUOTE]What the fuck does Vane's list have to do with anything? I've never been on her WhatsApp group. I don't believe I've ever mentioned her list. I've certainly never used her as a source of girls. What she does is her business. Why would I be criticizing her, or having her arrested. As far as I know, she's not a member of ISG.
As for labeling you a pimp, what word do you prefer? You've posted multiple times that guys should contact you and you'll set them up with girls. In this ongoing pissing match, you've mentioned, more than once, that you have been setting guys up with girls. Sounds a lot like what a pimp does. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just something I don't prefer to do.
I didn't come to Medellin as a cameraman, as I've explained before. However, there were pictures that needed to be taken and I was the person who set up the locations and the shoots. I also took photos, alongside the professional.
For the rest, I did fail. I took a long shot chance and ended up trusting the wrong person. It wasn't a total loss. There were plenty of good experiences and plenty of good people along the way. I made friends and gained knowledge. I consider it a fair trade.
Arrogant? I get that tag from a few people online, rarely from people I've met. Online it typically comes from people who are bothered by big words and complete sentences. Know it all? Not even close. However, you make it sound like knowledge is something to be avoided. I prefer to learn. If someone asks a question that I know an answer to, I'll respond. Isn't that what the forum is for?
I'll be staying out of El Centro until I return to Colombia, which will probably be sometime this summer. As for the "magic pixi-dust", I'm drug free. Nothing stronger than ibuprofen for me.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2288634]It is quite clear, that you can read, but your can not interpret what you read or you chose to interpret the post so that they make you feel justified in taking apart what another member writes.
1. what does taking pics have to do with making an individual a Pimp? 2. What does kicking a girl out of your room have to do with an individual being fearful of the girl's cousin and family? 3. What does me having one visit to a casa have to do with others who have reported that they have had some very bad experiences in casa's recently have to do with you being the foremost senior monger on experiences in Medellin? 4. What does visiting a casa have to do with a comparison to a Dr's office? This is where it is clear that you have a gift of deflection when you cannot account for your ridiculous posts.
Because you cannot keep up with the direction of my post, it doesn't mean that I am on Meth, what it does mean is that you are a lover of casa's and you only have enough funds to afford the wam bam thank you mam. Or am I doing what you do best, assuming? You really make the stupid thread thrive because you truly believe no one sees through you bologna, clearly we do, and many of us have professional activities that don't allow us to jump from the Medellin, Bogota, Barranquilla Sousa threads like you do. Truth is you're sitting home in the US hoping to find the finances to redeem yourself from your previous failures in Medellin. Cheer up champ, we all have bad days, sometimes 365 bad days in a foreign country. All is fair in love and mongering, Pollo Negro is Out![/QUOTE]Conquer? Now what are you talking about? I never realized paying a prostitute for sex was considered an act of conquest.
I take apart what you write, because you're constantly combining completely unrelated subjects in the same sentence. It makes your posts difficult to understand.
To answer:
1. What does taking pics have to do with making someone a pimp? As written, nothing at all. However, you're deliberately attempting to change the context. You indicated that you take pictures and videos of the girls, and that you send the pictures and videos to other mongers and set them up with the girls. Taking pictures has nothing to do with providing prostitutes to another person, which is typically what a pimp does.
2. What does kicking a girl out of your room have to do with the individual being fearful of the girl's cousin or family? I can't believe I need to explain this again. If it's a one time thing, nothing. If it's a regular occurrence, especially for a frequent visitor, it could be something. Every time you offend a person, there's a slight chance they will want payback. The more people you offend, the greater the risk. In my opinion, it's usually an unnecessary risk. There are ways to resolve differences amicably.
3. What does me having one visit to a casa have to do with others who have reported that they have had some very bad experiences in casa's recently have to do with you being the foremost senior monger on experiences in Medellin? I'm having another "what the fuck" moment here. Once again, you're combining things that don't go together. Let's try to break it down.
A. You have only visited one casa.
B. Other people have reported bad experiences at casas.
C. You apparently think I'm the "foremost senior monger on experiences in Medellin. ".
A. You have only visited 1 casa. The dangers of casas isn't a subject you have much experience with.
B. Other mongers are always having problems. Unless you were there, you lack the information to know whether or not the problem was caused by the monger.
C. I'm not sure what "the foremost senior monger on experiences in Medellin" means. It's not a title I've ever claimed. It would look ridiculous on a trophy. I've met mongers who have been living in Medellin for years. Practically every monger I've met has taught me something. I'm simply someone who likes to listen, likes to learn and is happy to share what I know.
4. What does visiting a casa have to do with a comparison to a Dr's office? Once again, you attempt to change the context. You said "disrobing in an unfamiliar environment is always a risk. " Maybe you've never been to a doctor's office where the nurse hands you a robe and tells you to strip down to your underwear. This qualifies as "disrobing in an unfamiliar environment. " According to you it's a risk. If it's a risk, then it should be something to worry about. Right? This is why it's a good idea to avoid superlatives. No deflection. It was a sarcastic response to your inaccurate declaration. I think most people understood.
I don't know which is worse, you're inability to understand simple sentences, or your inability to write simple sentences. Did you not learn about "simile" in high school? "Bouncing around like a rubber ball on meth" is an example. It doesn't mean I think you're on meth, or that you're a small, spherical object made of compressed rubber. It means your posts don't follow a logical path.
I'm not "a lover of casas", which you would know if your reading comprehension was at an acceptable level. I've gone to several casas. Some casas I've gone to several times. I've taken several people to casas. Many times I sat in the casa and waited for the person I brought to finish up. There are times when I would rather go to a casa. There are times when I'd rather hit up someone on WhatsApp or Messenger. There are times when I just want to walk, or read, or sit and have a few beers.
Barranquilla thread? Have I ever posted anything there? I suppose it's possible, but I can't recall anything. Sousa? What the fuck is a Sousa? I've heard of sousaphone, but I've only played trumpet, guitar and just a tiny bit of piano. There's a monger thread for sousaphones? I can guarantee I've never jumped there.
Were you thinking about Sosua? That would make more sense. I have posted there and on other Dominican Republic threads. I went there. I had a good time. I followed the thread for awhile after my trip. I wrote reports, gave a few recommendations and offered a bit of advice. Once again, isn't that what we're supposed to do? Why does this upset you? Should I be banned from answering questions because I have experience and use complete sentences?
Truth is, I'm not at home, although I am in the US. Work. I'm not "hoping to find the finances" for anything. I certainly don't feel any need to redeem myself. Who would I redeem myself to? I'm working, enjoying life and relaxing. Would I like to be back in Medellin? Sure. Am I losing sleep over it? Nope.
You know, this is all over a simple issue. You wrote a post saying that going to casas is unsafe. All I did was point out that inside a casa is safer than with a strange girl in your room.
Inside a casa might not be the best experience. It might not be comfortable for you. There may be inconveniences. You might even end up paying slightly more than you wanted. But those aren't safety issues. Those are value issues.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2288904]I met Paulie97 and we had dinner and chopped it up, he didn't smell bad or behave irrational, very professional and had a very knowledgeable conversation, you're encounter must have been at a time when he was tossing back a few or just really enjoying the good greenery. Then again, if the situation doesn't make you top monger, the entire situation is problematic huh? Just my 2.5 cents. Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Be patient.
The first time I met him we had a few beers, went to a casa and had a good time. I left him in El Centro and went home. The 2nd time he came to Poblado. We had a few beers, talked and had a good time. A few days later he was ranting about getting stuck behind some one with a problem at the store. To me it didn't sound like something to get worked up over. Not long after came the great pizza fiasco. It quickly became all my fault, even though it happened in Laureles while I was in El Poblado.
A few months later he started sending PMs to a guy I was disagreeing with. He was saying that nobody could stand to be around me among other things. I called him out on it, and got a halfway apology. We traded PMs regularly afterwards. Nothing really notable.
When he returned to Medellin he came to El Poblado looking for me (the guy nobody could stand to be around). We talked briefly. He told me about getting drugged and robbed. That story is in another post. Not long after I shared his story on the board, he again went off on me, because I got the story wrong.
The version I told had a strange guy going to the bar and bringing them shots. This is because, when he related the story to me, he said the guy was getting them shots. He complained because they had bought a bottle. It's a minor detail, that is not relevant to getting drugged and robbed. However, he spent several hours writing about it. Until he decided I'd somehow bruised his ego again, I hadn't thought about him.
So, be patient. Eventually he'll decide that you're the person he needs to attack. You'll probably be spared on this trip. He's got his psychosis focused on me for now.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2288948]Please forgive me for poking at your tender ego, and status as the smartest, most knowledgeable monger in the Medellin forum. We were having a technical debate regarding an important issue to us all, and you clearly were getting the worst of it. You were also called out for your smug, condescending attitude, something many of us have taken notice of. This hurt your feelings so badly that it illicit a kicking and screaming fit, violating personal confidences while threatening to post screenshots of private conversations. What a self-absorbed twerp. LOL You make my case for me so well.
Your butthurt post is all over the place, but I'll address a few of the relevent points.
JJBee you should have finished your degree as you are constantly committing logical fallacies, hyperbole, today ad hominen, and now you've erected a strawman. I'm not an expert on anything except two professional areas. And how do you know how many times I've been to El Pablado? I haven't seen you since December of 2017. But to buttress your argument you assume I've never been back? Hilarious, lying off the cuff in spite of the fact that you can be immediately exposed. LOL Reminds me of your claim to have gotten this 4 hour GFE from a certain Facebook girl for less money than another member paid for a so so short experience. I then investigated. She's not even on your Facebook friend list. So you just make stuff up on the fly, whatever might suit your self absorbed agenda. Plus I've seen that grotesque, unkept, fuller brush above your lip along with the droop-a-long walk and weeping willow posture. One thing is very certain, these girls are thrilled when you droop out the door..[/QUOTE]Oh please. You wouldn't know a technical discussion if someone inserted the schematic up your ass.
What makes this hilarious is that when you first PMed me and wanted to meet up with me, you wanted to know what my Master's degree was in. At the time, according to you, I wrote better and gave better advice than almost everyone on ISG. Now I can't write at all, everything I say is wrong and nobody can stand me.
You must be a wizard at Facebook. You looked at my friend list, which is only visible to me. That's quite a feat, especially since I've rarely posted the names of the girls. But, let's assume you found a way to see my friend list. Let's assume the girl was named, along with a link to her Facebook. That part is critical, because they seem to change their profile name every few months. With all the information, you couldn't find her name, on a list you can't see. Sounds pretty suspicious.
"Plus I've seen that grotesque, unkept, fuller brush above your lip along with the droop-a-long walk and weeping willow posture. One thing is very certain, these girls are thrilled when you droop out the door. ".
Fuller is a brand name, a proper noun and should be capitalized.
Is that what this is all about? You're jealous because I'm tall and still have hair? Droop-a-long walk? Weeping willow posture? These are your best shots? Surely you can do better.
The links you requested:
[QUOTE=Manizales911;2243816] A mention that girls in Gusto are quoting dollars.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCarlAnthony;2216797] An actual instance where he assumed pesos, but she meant dollars. [/QUOTE]You keep mentioning the "default currency", which is relevant almost anywhere other than Gusto. If I drop by a local restaurant and ask "cuanto cuesta el menu del DIA?" If I get "diez" as an answer, I know he means 10,000 COP. If the bar menu says "6" for a beer, I know it's 6,000 COP. However, if a girl in a nightclub tells me a number between 100 and 300, I will not assume she means thousands of Colombian pesos. I especially won't accept it at face value in Gusto. It takes less than a second to respond "pesos?" Why have to deal with a problem in your room, when you should have resolved it at the club?
"They need to ask for dollars. " Last time I checked, we're each responsible for our own actions, although, in your case, that's pending psychiatric evaluation. When a disagreement over price comes up in your room, after the fact, telling the girl "you should have asked for dollars" is probably not going to defuse the situation. Why put yourself in that position?
Assuming you got the girl from Gusto, who just told you 200 for the price, without specifying dollars, I see 3 possibilities. Either you're a rookie who doesn't know some girls in Gusto expect $200, or you don't know the going rate and assume $200 is a fair price. The third possibility is that you know she means dollars, but you're going to play dumb and try to get her for 200 k pesos.
To simplify, you either don't know the game, or you're trying to cheat the girl. I don't care if you can find girls for 50 k, 100 k or 200 k. She gave a price of 200. If you didn't clarify, when you suspected she means dollars, you're trying to cheat her. Yes, by most standards her price is ridiculously high. That's her business. You can either pass, or negotiate a lower price.
I don't recall anything about my "special interests", or even having any special interests. Mostly I remember you examining the fake Ray-Ban sunglasses and your nervous twitch.
In closing, my back isn't against the wall. It's against the mattress. My feelings are doing just fine. It's unlikely I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight, or any other night.
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I can say no more about contradictions
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2236147&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2236147.
Jjbee, how can you point a finger at others and say that others are contradictory when you argue with me about the same topic you posted about in this post. My final time beating this dead horse, either the casa's and strip clubs are safe or not? And just as you posted, you yourself were picked pocketed at a strip club, end of story.
Pollo Negro is Out.
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Glad to see you calmed down a bit.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]Oh please. You wouldn't know a technical discussion if someone inserted the schematic up your ass. [/QUOTE]Asserting it so doesn't make it so. Add another fallacy, "proof by assertion." Here's the post that made you come unhinged, sharing information told in confidence and threatening to post screenshots of whatsapp conversations from two years ago. It's content oriented and focused on the relevant issues. It's value was clearly established by your reaction.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2288533&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2288533.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]What makes this hilarious is that when you first PMed me and wanted to meet up with me, you wanted to know what my Master's degree was in. At the time, according to you, I wrote better and gave better advice than almost everyone on ISG. [/QUOTE]LOL I never assumed you had any degrees. Yes some of your basic information is good. Your writing can be well organized when you are calm and aren't getting challenged, though much of your analysis is flawed, particularly when you are trying to play expert.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]You must be a wizard at Facebook. You looked at my friend list, which is only visible to me. [/QUOTE]The friends we have in common are visibile for me. We have many. This particular girl is on my list, but not your's.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]That part is critical, because they seem to change their profile name every few months. [/QUOTE]Some do this but the vast majorty do not. Even if she had a different name in the recent past she'the still have shown up for us as a common friend. You just pulled the story out of your ass to make yourself look important. The first you'the heard of her was when the guy posted his bad experience. Caught yet again.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]Fuller is a brand name, a proper noun and should be capitalized.[/QUOTE]Grammar police? LOL And you think I suspected that you have a masters?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]Is that what this is all about? You're jealous because I'm tall and still have hair? Droop-a-long walk? Weeping willow posture? These are your best shots?.[/QUOTE]Sometimes reality offers the best shots of all.
The links you requested:
Wow so you have a single account where a girl from Gusto's asked for dollars after the deed. Even still this assumes that it was a genuine misunderstanding. The girl very easily could have been scamming / trying her luck. Clarification isn't going to remedy that situation. She can still deny any peso committment or scam some other way. The Tall Man recently gave such an account. Is hilarious, you assume the girls are honest while calling others rookies, naive, stupid, and google translate commandos that deperately need you to come along and save them. Your arrogance and pretentiousness are the main issues here. You bring one account from The Carl Anthony and it's muddy. Your own pontificating doesn't count as you are constantly caught in lies and other logical fallacies. Until further notice we are stuck with the known facts:
That includes the facts that pesos are the default currency in Medellin, and that dollars aren't even dispensed in the ATMs. So damn, sounds like the girl needs to specify dollars or she gets pesos. Hell it's far from a guarantee that the guy will even have any dollars to speak of. Even your greenhorns know to get some local currency on arrival.
You then tell guys to cave and pay the scamming and / or very negligent girl three times the agreed upon price to get her out of the room, $300 as opposed to 300 mil. Will guess what? A lot here take issue with that. They pull this because of guys like you and others who offer the sort of milk toast advice you offer. Some of us have been posting on this site and the old WSG for 15 to 20 years or more. We do get to disagree with you here, and should be able to do so without you throwing temper tantrems, posting private information told in confidence, threatening to post private messages from two years ago, etc. If you are that sensitive to challenges go start your own blog and shut down the comments.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]I don't recall anything about my "special interests", or even having any special interests. [/QUOTE]You know what I'm talking about. You said you weren't worried about it but you should be.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289132]Mostly I remember you examining the fake Ray-Ban sunglasses and your nervous twitch. [/QUOTE]That's a total fabrication, have never had such a condition. But speaking of nerves I certainly struck one with the weeping willow walking. Hey I like that! Has a nice rhyme and flow to it.
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Huh?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289101]The version I told had a strange guy going to the bar and bringing them shots. This is because, when he related the story to me, he said the guy was getting them shots. He complained because they had bought a bottle. It's a minor detail, that is not relevant to getting drugged and robbed. [/QUOTE]It's not a minor detail at all. Your version was that the guy disappeared to the bar and brought back full shot glasses which created worlds of opportunity. The truth, and what I told you is that the waiter brought a sealed bottle and glasses to table. The bottle was cracked in front of me and shots poured in front of me. At the end of the day I do not know who got a tranq in my system and likely will never know. I was at La 70 at that time but Luna Lunera later. After much evaluation I strongly suspect my Argentine wingman was in on it, though I'the known him for a year. There are many possibilities including involvement of bar staff.
I permitted you to tell the story for the benefit of others, provided you told it accurately and didn't personally connect me to it. You warn others about me all while showing the community here that you are ready to fly off the handle and betray confidential information if you start getting banged up in a totally unrelated debate regarding negotiations and handling problem girls in the room. You warn the community about me, but with your own words and actions here put them on high alert about you. Funny thing is are so wrapped up in yourself that you can't even see it. LOLOL.
P.S. Again I welcome PMs from anyone who wants to know more about this night.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289056]For the rest, I did fail. I took a long shot chance and ended up trusting the wrong person. It wasn't a total loss. [/QUOTE]According to you it was, as I read all the sympathy seeking Fackbook posts you wrote to family and the public just before you came home. You had sold all your worldly belongings, put it all in two suitcases and went to Medellin to rent a room from a webcam girl you met while peeping at your computer screen. You ran the video camera for her but never got paid. Even though you told everyone what a great high end apartment you had, truth is you were a barely tolerated house guest that was asked to camp out someplace else every time she had any friends or family come to town. In the end you found an established expat to rent you an apartment in Laureles in this last ditch Hail Mary to start your own webcam business. You almost surely stiffed them. You said you had to wait until some income started to flow before you could get hot water going in the place. Two weeks later you are posting a picture of a hotdog, your breakfast at the airport on your way out of town. That was a year ago and I doubt you've returned to Medellin since. But this is the guy that wants to think he is so smart and others are so stupid. Great stuff. Keep it coming. LOL.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2289139][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2236147&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2236147.
Jjbee, how can you point a finger at others and say that others are contradictory when you argue with me about the same topic you posted about in this post. My final time beating this dead horse, either the casa's and strip clubs are safe or not? And just as you posted, you yourself were picked pocketed at a strip club, end of story.
Pollo Negro is Out.[/QUOTE]Is there one fucking thing you can do right? Anything at all that you're not going to fuck up like a porcupine in a condom factory?
You couldn't even manage to link a post. However, since one of us is smarter than the average rock, I figured out what you were trying to link.
I'm assuming this is the original message you tried to quote:
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2236147]I don't believe any of the El Centro strip clubs charge an entrance fee. Fase Dos charges 10 k entrance fee. Beer and drink prices in El Centro are reasonable. I think chica drinks run around 10 k. Fase Dos drinks are expensive. Every place I know of has on site rooms.
Buying lady drinks is a waste of money. In the bar and in the room be aware. Had a girl in one club try to sneak her fingers into my pocket. Had another girl manage to sneak a 50 k bill out of my pants pocket in the room. Didn't notice it until I left the room.[/QUOTE]Now, because I'm used to repeating things to total fucking idiots, I'll explain.
The discussion was between casas and your room. It has not, at any point been about strip clubs. Strip clubs are an entirely different environment than casas. The incident here occurred in a strip club. It did not occur in a casa. There is no contradiction, unless you don't know the difference between a strip club and a casa.
To further clear things up, streetwalkers who use short time rooms aren't casas. All those Veracruz girls standing on the sidewalk, or sitting in the doorways aren't working in casas. What happened in Bogota didn't happen in a casa.
Keep trying. If nothing else, all of your flailing about should generate a nice breeze.
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Lolol.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289510]Anything at all that you're not going to fuck up like a porcupine in a condom factory?[/QUOTE]This is one is so creative homes, I'm telling you. That's out of some insult book from the 1960's if not sooner. Scroll down a tad from the link and the post is revealed, isn't his fault. He has way more wits than you, trust me. Just a suggestion, roll up your pants when in a brothel room, doesn't matter what it's called, "casa," or "strip club" or "Veracruz" or whats not, same difference and we all know it, is a *****house with rooms on site. The one doing the "flailing" is you, and yea, we feel the wind. If you head to the shower take the rolled up pants with you and place them outside the entrance to the same. And yea, we all make mistakes, only problem is a pompous ass like yourself gets less leeway. Better to shoot for perfection. Now save up a few coins, make your triumphant return to Medellin, and write us some reviews K? It's been a very long time.
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Room -Casa-Strip club.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289510]Is there one fucking thing you can do right? Anything at all that you're not going to fuck up like a porcupine in a condom factory?
You couldn't even manage to link a post. However, since one of us is smarter than the average rock, I figured out what you were trying to link.
I'm assuming this is the original message you tried to quote:
Now, because I'm used to repeating things to total fucking idiots, I'll explain.
The discussion was between casas and your room. It has not, at any point been about strip clubs. Strip clubs are an entirely different environment than casas. The incident here occurred in a strip club. It did not occur in a casa. There is no contradiction, unless you don't know the difference between a strip club and a casa.
To further clear things up, streetwalkers who use short time rooms aren't casas. All those Veracruz girls standing on the sidewalk, or sitting in the doorways aren't working in casas. What happened in Bogota didn't happen in a casa.
Keep trying. If nothing else, all of your flailing about should generate a nice breeze.[/QUOTE]A pro like you could never be outwitted with your Colombian intelligence & Centro Guerilla Intel? Face it, you were treated like the 2 mil pesos that you are, I still contest, its safer to bring girl back to your room verses using a casa or strip club, or renting a room from a chica who breaks you & send you back to the states penniless. Even you admitted you fail for the wrong girl, A Colombian lady of the moment! Pollo Negro is Out.
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Got it.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289510]Now, because I'm used to repeating things to total fucking idiots..[/QUOTE]Here ya go folks. We either have the smartest guy on the planet, or a failed Peeping Tom webcam boy, wannabe intellectual that didn't have the balls to finish his bachelors degree. He's a pretentious nobody. Yea if he has the address to a casa or whatever you want to call it, listen or verify with Google. If he's offering advise or other directions, read his unhinged reports here on the most appreciated stupid thread and decide how you wish to proceed.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2289409]Asserting it so doesn't make it so. Add another fallacy, "proof by assertion." Here's the post that made you come unhinged, sharing information told in confidence and threatening to post screenshots of whatsapp conversations from two years ago. It's content oriented and focused on the relevant issues. It's value was clearly established by your reaction.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2288533&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2288533.
LOL I never assumed you had any degrees. Yes some of your basic information is good. Your writing can be well organized when you are calm and aren't getting challenged, though much of your analysis is flawed, particularly when you are trying to play expert.
The friends we have in common are visible for me. We have many. This particular girl is on my list, but not your's.
Some do this but the vast majority do not. Even if she had a different name in the recent past she'the still have shown up for us as a common friend. You just pulled the story out of your ass to make yourself look important. The first you'the heard of her was when the guy posted his bad experience. Caught yet again..[/QUOTE]I'll be brief.
You struck a nerve, yet how many times have you brought up my mention of posting copies of your insane WhatsApp messages? Does it worry you that much?
There's an easy solution to all of this. Click. Click and place me on your ignore list. You won't see my posts and you can twitch along your merry way. Or give Jackson or A2 an ultimatum. Tell them to kick me off or that you'll leave. No matter which way it goes, your troubles are over.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2289422]It's not a minor detail at all. Your version was that the guy disappeared to the bar and brought back full shot glasses which created worlds of opportunity. The truth, and what I told you is that the waiter brought a sealed bottle and glasses to table. The bottle was cracked in front of me and shots poured in front of me. At the end of the day I do not know who got a tranq in my system and likely will never know. I was at La 70 at that time but Luna Lunera later. After much evaluation I strongly suspect my Argentine wingman was in on it, though I'the known him for a year. There are many possibilities including involvement of bar staff..[/QUOTE]Hell, it's your story and you can't get it straight. Here are the pertinent points you told me at the time:
You were at a bar, afterwards you said you thought it was "A pico en Botella", with your Argentine friend. There were 2 hot girls. You all sat down together. There was a third guy. You said he was getting everyone shots and that you thought he was trying to impress the girls. You also said you weren't drunk at the time. You did not mention buying a bottle, or having it opened in front of you, until you went off on WhatsApp. You also never mentioned Luna Lunera. You said you woke up in a strange room and found out you had been drugged, and the last thing you remembered was drinking in the bar. According to you, they cleaned out your friend, computer and everything, but only got a bit of cash from you.
Now, had you mentioned buying a bottle, I wouldn't have assumed "getting shots for everyone" meant going to the bar.
And it's still a minor detail, because someone was able to drug you. Does it matter that they did it right under your nose, instead of behind your back?
Yes. I did betray your confidence. When you began sending PMs to people lying about me, you betrayed mine. Seems a fair trade.
From my point of view, what do I owe you? After meeting up a couple of times, you went completely off the hook at me, without cause. Completely off the hook. I understand why you're worried about those Whatsapp messages. How did I respond? Did I reply in kind? No. I suggested you needed to get out of your same old routine of beer, viagra and trying to nut 4 times a day. I offered to spend a day with you, taking you around the city, showing you different things, all expenses paid. I offered to acclimate you to the Metro, which would save you time and money on your trips to El Centro. Even though you had bit me once, I offered my hand.
Next you began lying about me via PM. Instead of blocking you, I entered into a dialogue with you. You sent PMs almost daily, typically complaining about different people or pontificating on the virtues of Jim Morrison. When you next came to Medellin, you sought me out again, told your story and once again went off the deep end on WhatsApp. After blocking you there, you shifted to PM, so I blocked you here as well.
You attacked me 3 times, with no provocation and twice I accepted your apology, even if you never actually apologized. The third time, I shut you out. These are the things you haven't discussed. Why haven't you mentioned those events? Give it a whirl. Tell everyone about those Whatsapp exchanges. Post them, so everyone can see whether or not my version is accurate.
Now more than a year later you chose to launch a personal attack on me, over something that didn't involve you. At that point I realized that I owe the board, much more than I owe you. Why should someone else have to put up with your ranting, all because they accepted a PM offer to meet up?
So, rant on. Whatever you want to say, get it out there. It's not going to stop that twitch.
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Glad this great debate is in the "Stupid Shit" forum, LOL.
I doubt many guys really give a crap about any of it actually.
I've been hangin in Colombia for about 20 years, and Medellin about 17 or so.
Guys come and go.
Things change.
On this forum there will always be some strong personalities and some goof balls (which I may very well be).
There'll be knowledgeable guys, and some not so much.
JB obviously knows the Medellin scene, and I thought gave good straight advice, never malicious.
I don't care if he has a bushy mustache or if he walks like Mr Magoo, LOL.
I don't know Paulie, I'm sure he's experienced and knowledgeable.
Has a different take on the scene in Medellin.
Great!
So does Pollo Negro.
He's experienced and has his way too.
The whole monger scene is fluid.
There is no one right way.
For some guys 'this' may work, for others 'that'.
Big deal.
You guys can continue to rant if ya like.
The rest of us are lost, or really don't care.
Like I said, at least it's in the correct forum.
Have at it guys.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2289560]A pro like you could never be outwitted with your Colombian intelligence & Centro Guerilla Intel? Face it, you were treated like the 2 mil pesos that you are, I still contest, its safer to bring girl back to your room verses using a casa or strip club, or renting a room from a chica who breaks you & send you back to the states penniless. Even you admitted you fail for the wrong girl, A Colombian lady of the moment! Pollo Negro is Out.[/QUOTE]I understand why you chose "Pollo. " You are constantly flopping around in circles like a headless chicken.
In deference to Paulie, this one is called "moving the goalposts. " Bringing a girl to your room isn't safer than doing a girl in a casa. So you move the goalposts and include strip clubs. Now, you're partially correct. But the conversation wasn't about strip clubs.
You're so focused on being right, after more than one person disagreed with you, that you're willing to change everything to try and prove your point. If not strip clubs, you would want to add in casas in San Salvador, or Caracas. Either that or, as you've already done, streetwalkers.
We're comparing 2 things: your own room and a room at a casa. Nothing more. You prefer your own room. That's good, great, fabulous. It doesn't make it safer, but it makes it more enjoyable for you.
And you just proved my point. My problems, which left me "penniless" all happened in my room. Yes? They didn't happen in a casa. They didn't happen in a strip club. In my room, connected with people who know me. Thank you.
You say "penniless" like it's a dirty word. You can't imagine what that's like, can you? The worst insult you can come up with is based on my economic status. Problem is, it really doesn't bother me. It wasn't the first time and it probably won't be the last time.
You see, cut you off from your money supply and you're flopping like a fish out of water. When I'm out of money, I just tighten my belt, roll up my sleeves and go back to work. Work doesn't scare me. I can find a job easier than you can find a girl in Medellin.
Heck, this time it was a piece of cake. I got a phone call. "What do you need?" Spent my last night saying goodbye to some friends, grabbed a taxi to the airport, hopped on a plane and had someone waiting at the airport. The next day I had a job. 3 weeks later I had a car and a place to live. Easy stuff. Only took 4 months to clear my debts.
The toughest one was the first time. Cancer is a terrible disease. It's almost as bad for the family as it is for the patient. With certain cancers it's not if it comes back it's when. So every 3 months you hold your breath and hope for clean test results. Then you pretend everything is normal until the next round of tests.
In my wife's case (just to clarify, I've been married 3 times. I only refer to one as my wife), Mr and Mrs tumor returned just as I was finishing my recovery from a back injury that kept me from working for 18 months. Not the best time for the big bills to hit.
After it was all done I spent 4 months without a real roof over a real bed. There was a roof and there was a bed, but the roof leaked worse than all the bladders in the nursing home. Two months in I got a job. After another 2 months I had a real bed under a roof that didn't leak. Took another 6 months to get my own apartment.
Next time you're back home, do yourself a favor. Go to the local VA Hospital, or a local nursing home. Find some old guy who hasn't got any family and make friends with him. Listen to his stories, get to know him. Then ask him which he would rather have, a million dollars or the chance to be 18 again and flat broke.
I'll take my experiences, good and bad, over money every time.
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2289817]Glad this great debate is in the "Stupid Shit" forum, LOL.
I doubt many guys really give a crap about any of it actually.
I've been hangin in Colombia for about 20 years, and Medellin about 17 or so.
Guys come and go.
Things change.
On this forum there will always be some strong personalities and some goof balls (which I may very well be).
There'll be knowledgeable guys, and some not so much..[/QUOTE]You are correct, in all things. A2 picked the right name for this thread. It is all stupid shit. Sometimes it's easy to get sucked in, and hard to get back out. I'll bow out now. In a shit flinging fight, there aren't any winners.
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Hola! Back from a trip!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289639]Hell, it's your story and you can't get it straight.
Here are the pertinent points you told me at the time You were at a bar, afterwards you said you thought it was "A pico en Botella", with your Argentine friend. There were 2 hot girls. You all sat down together. There was a third guy. You said he was getting everyone shots and that you thought he was trying to impress the girls. You also said you weren't drunk at the time. You did not mention buying a bottle, or having it opened in front of you, until you went off on WhatsApp. You also never mentioned Luna Lunera. You said you woke up in a strange room and found out you had been drugged, and the last thing you remembered was drinking in the bar. According to you, they cleaned out your friend, computer and everything, but only got a bit of cash from you. Now, had you mentioned buying a bottle, I wouldn't have assumed "getting shots for everyone" meant going to the bar. And it's still a minor detail, because someone was able to drug you. Does it matter that they did it right under your nose, instead of behind your back? In the end the result is the same, drugged and robbed. [/QUOTE]What your false version does is make the victim extremely negligent, taking shots from a guy that disappeared to the bar. The reality is that he ordered a bottle to the table that was delivered by the waiter, shots poured in front of me, and that's exactly what was told to you. My Argentine "friend," all I know is what he told me and there's been reason to question his account. You keep preaching (falsely) that Medellin is just as safe as any large city in the US though many US cities the same size and larger have much better crime stats. Plus gringos are targets south of the border in a special way, but my story challenged your pollyanna thesis. The result? You go back to pulling shit out of your ass because you don't like what you're hearing. I'm convinced that I wasn't drugged when the shots were poured, so your version creates a false impression. You know all of that already.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289639]Yes. I did betray your confidence. When you began sending PMs to people lying about me, you betrayed mine. Seems a fair trade. [/QUOTE]Huh? Any discussions about you had nothing to do with any confidential information, and were back channeled. Your are a passive aggressive little twit. You get pushed around about a totally unrelated debate then publicly post confidential information. In that one knee jerk moment you've showed us who you are.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289639]From my point of view, what do I owe you? After meeting up a couple of times, you went completely off the hook at me, without cause. Completely off the hook. I understand why you're worried about those Whatsapp messages. How did I respond? Did I reply in kind? No. I suggested you needed to get out of your same old routine of beer, viagra and trying to nut 4 times a day. I offered to spend a day with you, taking you around the city, showing you different things, all expenses paid. I offered to acclimate you to the Metro, which would save you time and money on your trips to El Centro. Even though you had bit me once, I offered my hand.Next you began lying about me via PM. Instead of blocking you, I entered into a dialogue with you. You sent PMs almost daily, typically complaining about different people or pontificating on the virtues of Jim Morrison. When you next came to Medellin, you sought me out again, told your story and once again went off the deep end on WhatsApp. After blocking you there, you shifted to PM, so I blocked you here as well..[/QUOTE]LOLOL First on the twitch there's none. Maybe a bit of tremor after a hard night drinking but that's a very common hangover symptom. Swing and a miss again. Have you ever seen a picture of a weeping willow drooping over a lake? Well that's you Bro, and it's a sight to see walking down the street. But yea homes, sounds like you are on the pity pot again. Brings back memories. You fell in love with a webcam girl while peeping in your computer screen, and were all set on making your fortune. I mean talking to you you already had yourself in the Fortune 500. But instead you bent over and got a ten inch strap on, and bleed out in your Facebook pity party for all to see. Hopefully they got it all on tape. LOLOL.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2289639]After blocking you there, you shifted to PM, so I blocked you here as well.[/QUOTE]If you've blocked me then how have you seen my posts to reply to? As I've told you, You need to take some lying lessons as seeing that you so rely on it, you might as well try to get good at it.
And for the audience, notice the legion of points I've made that he's completely ignored. Those are always the strongest points as he can't come up with any response. All he can can do is whine about how he's getting picked on and talk about some hangover tremors as he droops down the road in some of the most godawful posture know to man! LOL.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2299992] why are the tickets more expensive to Puerta Plata than they are to Medellin? I have a theory and its just a Theory. The DR has more Afro Latina chicas there in a higher concentration than most other Latin destinations, who desires a darker chica? Those who are not accustomed to having their way with the darker chics in the US or Europe? To my knowledge it takes more gas to travel further than it does a shorter distance, so why would the shorter distance cost more? Cause those who can't get the darker chicas are willing to pay more, that's just a Theory. Medellin has been nothing but good to me! Why come to Medellin and wish you were in the DR. Further more the ticket is less than $200 to fulfill your dream. I'll never visit DR as long as the tickets cost more to travel there than Medellin and there is closer to the states than Medellin. Don't mind me![/QUOTE]OK you got me. I'll give my two cents. Why are you comparing MDE the biggest airport in Columbia to one of the smallest airports in DR? The equivalent airport to MDE in Medellin Colombia is SDQ in Santo Domingo the DR. Puerto Plata is the most expensive airport in the whole country. It has nothing to do with Afro Caribbean.
Are you saying you go to Medellin because you are more accustom to having your way with darker Latina than lighter Latina? Does Medellin give you do you lighter Latina you desire? Why go to Medellin when you can just go to Tijuana. I just gave you a mirror. Me personally, I love the Africa Latina overall beauty and physique. Thus far in my life they are second to none. (haven't been to Brazil yet).
It is much cheaper to fly in almost any of the airports in the DR besides Puerto Plata for those of us that reside in the states. I paid a little more and flew a little longer to go to Medellin. I also had to deal with that crap of a Spirit Airlines the only Airline that offers a one-way flight. I didn't mind paying the extra to save time.
I did not go to Medellin to wish I was in the DR. However, after my first four hours, I was missing my camel toes, I did not like my choice of being there.
Two of my wing men were DR regulars and first time in Medellin. One of my wingmen never wants to see the place again. The other one who had his cell stolen, wants to give it another shot.
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[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2300185]OK you got me. I'll give my two cents. Why are you comparing MDE the biggest airport in Columbia to one of the smallest airports in DR? The equivalent airport to MDE in Medellin Colombia is SDQ in Santo Domingo the DR. Puerto Plata is the most expensive airport in the whole country. It has nothing to do with Afro Caribbean.
Are you saying you go to Medellin because you are more accustom to having your way with darker Latina than lighter Latina? Does Medellin give you do you lighter Latina you desire? Why go to Medellin when you can just go to Tijuana. I just gave you a mirror. Me personally, I love the Africa Latina overall beauty and physique. Thus far in my life they are second to none. (haven't been to Brazil yet).
It is much cheaper to fly in almost any of the airports in the DR besides Puerto Plata for those of us that reside in the states. I paid a little more and flew a little longer to go to Medellin. I also had to deal with that crap of a Spirit Airlines the only Airline that offers a one-way flight. I didn't mind paying the extra to save time.
I did not go to Medellin to wish I was in the DR. However, after my first four hours, I was missing my camel toes, I did not like my choice of being there.
Two of my wing men were DR regulars and first time in Medellin. One of my wingmen never wants to see the place again. The other one who had his cell stolen, wants to give it another shot.[/QUOTE]Just googled FLL to POP and the Flight was $6 cheaper than FLL to MDE. I don't have to come to MDE to get whiter Latinas or Afro Latinas. I'm pretty skilled at doing that on my own. So, with me being from Puerto Rico & living in Fla and speaking 7 languages Fluently, I can get my own share of Latinas, being a Afro Latino myself, why would I flock to the DR to see girls I can get in Farjardo, Bayamon, Carolina, Lares, and Mayaguez, but being a native of the island I can play in Medellin and no one points the finger at me. But if DR is all of that and a bag of chips bypass Medellin and I guarantee you no one will miss you. Pure horrible to be on one thread talking about how much you miss the DR, if your pockets are full, by a ticket and do like Michael Jackson. Beat it. LOL. Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2300185]OK you got me. I'll give my two cents. Why are you comparing MDE the biggest airport in Columbia to one of the smallest airports in DR? The equivalent airport to MDE in Medellin Colombia is SDQ in Santo Domingo the DR. Puerto Plata is the most expensive airport in the whole country. It has nothing to do with Afro Caribbean.
Are you saying you go to Medellin because you are more accustom to having your way with darker Latina than lighter Latina? Does Medellin give you do you lighter Latina you desire? Why go to Medellin when you can just go to Tijuana. I just gave you a mirror. Me personally, I love the Africa Latina overall beauty and physique. Thus far in my life they are second to none. (haven't been to Brazil yet).
It is much cheaper to fly in almost any of the airports in the DR besides Puerto Plata for those of us that reside in the states. I paid a little more and flew a little longer to go to Medellin. I also had to deal with that crap of a Spirit Airlines the only Airline that offers a one-way flight. I didn't mind paying the extra to save time.
I did not go to Medellin to wish I was in the DR. However, after my first four hours, I was missing my camel toes, I did not like my choice of being there.
Two of my wing men were DR regulars and first time in Medellin. One of my wingmen never wants to see the place again. The other one who had his cell stolen, wants to give it another shot.[/QUOTE]Start a post off with a lie & expect me to read the rest of the post as though it is truthful information. One lie leads to another MDE is not the biggest airport in Colombia! Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2300229]Just googled FLL to POP and the Flight was $6 cheaper than FLL to MDE. I don't have to come to MDE to get whiter Latinas or Afro Latinas. I'm pretty skilled at doing that on my own. So, with me being from Puerto Rico & living in Fla and speaking 7 languages Fluently, I can get my own share of Latinas, being a Afro Latino myself, why would I flock to the DR to see girls I can get in Farjardo, Bayamon, Carolina, Lares, and Mayaguez, but being a native of the island I can play in Medellin and no one points the finger at me. But if DR is all of that and a bag of chips bypass Medellin and I guarantee you no one will miss you. Pure horrible to be on one thread talking about how much you miss the DR, if your pockets are full, by a ticket and do like Michael Jackson. Beat it. LOL. Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]I see you are trying to take me there. Why the ole me would have said who gives a fuck about where you've been and amount of languages you speak, but this board has matured me. You didn't like that Mirror I gave you? Some people hate mirrors. When your rationale was questioned or answered; It makes me think you really wasnt asking a question you just wanted to be heard.
1. You tried to make yourself feel better by telling us how many languages do you speak as if that matters.
2. Jjbee62 and Mr. E gave you good answer but it wasn't good enough for you. You wanted detail information their words wasn't enough.
3. I turned around and gave you detailed concret information and you turn around and told us what you googled. No proof.
4. I showed you that flying to Santo Domingo what cheaper than flying to Medellin but you stayed on POP.
5. Your word of me giving my honest trip report on how I feel is "horrible". Totally missing my statement that my trip report was out of respect for the Jjbee62 who kept it 100 and newbies. It's cool chocolate chicken I'm not here For an aurgument. I will just leave you with a mirror. Be careful looking into it you might see yourself.
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[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2300401]I see you are trying to take me there. Why the ole me would have said who gives a fuck about where you've been and amount of languages you speak, but this board has matured me. You didn't like that Mirror I gave you? Some people hate mirrors. When your rationale was questioned or answered; It makes me think you really wasnt asking a question you just wanted to be heard.
1. You tried to make yourself feel better by telling us how many languages do you speak as if that matters.
2. Jjbee62 and Mr. E gave you good answer but it wasn't good enough for you. You wanted detail information their words wasn't enough.
3. I turned around and gave you detailed concret information and you turn around and told us what you googled. No proof.
4. I showed you that flying to Santo Domingo what cheaper than flying to Medellin but you stayed on POP.
5. Your word of me giving my honest trip report on how I feel is "horrible". Totally missing my statement that my trip report was out of respect for the Jjbee62 who kept it 100 and newbies. It's cool chocolate chicken I'm not here For an aurgument. I will just leave you with a mirror. Be careful looking into it you might see yourself.[/QUOTE]The Same BM the famous Jjbee62 can't get back to Medellin, Bogota, Medellin, or The DR. But if he keeps it real, I salute you and your respect for a full blown story teller who was sent home penniless by Colombian chicas, (Young Chics). Plus you, not me, said, MDE was the biggest airport in Medellin. If you can't stand looking at my post, just read what you posted. I'm still not paying more to travel a shorter distance from Florida to the DR than I would to MDE. If you can't stand the image in the mirror, doing stand in front of it! Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2300431]The Same BM the famous Jjbee62 can't get back to Medellin, Bogota, Medellin, or The DR. But if he keeps it real, I salute you and your respect for a full blown story teller who was sent home penniless by Colombian chicas, (Young Chics). Plus you, not me, said, MDE was the biggest airport in Medellin. If you can't stand looking at my post, just read what you posted. I'm still not paying more to travel a shorter distance from Florida to the DR than I would to MDE. If you can't stand the image in the mirror, doing stand in front of it! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Why are you so obsessed with me? Honestly, it's a bit weird having a couple of grown men focused on my every move. Surely you can find something better to do.
Just to clear something up, for everyone else, you'll always be baffled, the "Colombian chicas (chics)", was a 28 year old woman and her 33 year old novio.
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2300301]I'm the last BM to run out of that anytime soon, because a fool and his money shall soon part, no one, no one, I mean no one knows that better than you JjBee62. It was you who were broken and sent home penniless by them Colombian chicas. I'm way to crafty and financially Swift to play games with my money. I'm never on a budget and if push comes to shove, I most definitely keep enough pesos to get back to America, even if I have to charter a flight. With that being said, I changed two 18 year old chicas from Veracruz today, wowzers, I can still feel the fuzz on their buzz. Photo'd, filmed, fcked, and Forgotten, the quest continues tomorrow, I'm in Bogota next week, wish you were joining me, but the way your budget set up. Nevermind, Centro is a lovely destination, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Here's why, regardless of what money you might have, you'll always struggle to be relevant: you're too obsessed with your fragile ego to deal with facts.
Fact: you stated that it's $200 more to fly to Puerta Plata than to MDE. One of the few times you got something right.
However, people who bother to do some research don't fly to POP. They either fly into Santiago de LOS Caballeros or Santo Domingo. STI costs $3 more than to MDE from FLL. SDQ is $5 more. You've had the discrepancy pointed out by more than one person and instead of acknowledging your error, you want to deflect onto my issues from a year ago. And on those issues you insist on sticking with your fantasies rather than the facts which I've written extensively about.
Fact: You claimed that the higher ticket prices were due to the demand for Dominicans.
You ignore the facts that, have also been mentioned by others. The increased airport fees at POP were widely discussed on the DR forum 4 years ago. Prices are much cheaper at SDQ and STI. Fuel is more expensive on an island. Here's some more facts. DR biggest import is petroleum products. Colombia's biggest export is petroleum products. An importer has higher costs than an exporter. You will have difficulty understanding this, but airlines don't set ticket prices based on the popularity of a destination's prostitutes.
Fact: I ran out of money 1 year ago. No argument from me on this one. It's something that you spend more time worrying about than I do, even though I've had much longer to worry about it.
However, this is irrelevant to whether or not it's cheaper to fly to MDE or SDQ. You might try it the next time you buy something. Whenever you are told the price just tell them "but jjbee62 ran out of money in March of 2018. Doesn't that mean I get a discount?
Fact: You've claimed I can't get back to Medellin or anywhere else.
Here's the reality: I've never been one who vacations several times a year. During my time in the Navy, I kept my leave balance to have just under 60 days available at the end of the fiscal year. When I separated I took 10 weeks of separation leave. Later on I went 22 years without taking a single vacation. Since I decided to start taking vacations, I've averaged 1 vacation of 2 weeks every 18 months. That's just my preference.
Roughly 2 years ago I took a chance on something that didn't work out. So I ended up taking a 1 year vacation. To me it was a fair trade, but to you it was a disaster of epic proportions. Now I'm planning a vacation in July, 16 months after my 1 year vacation ended. Which puts me back on the schedule of vacations that I prefer.
While I would be happy to come back and spend another year in Medellin, it's not something I'm working on. I'm in a good place, surrounded by good people and I'm happy getting out of bed each day.
Fact: Grownman called Medellin the largest airport in Colombia. He was wrong. However, whether or not MDE is the largest airport in Colombia is irrelevant. It is a much larger airport than POP. It's also a much cheaper airport for the airlines to fly into, when compared to POP.
One last thing to clarify. I really don't care whether you're in Medellin, Bogota, Florida, Puerto Rico or anywhere else. I don't care who you are fucking, how old they are, or whether or not you took pictures. Your dick, your money, your business. So why do you spend so much time thinking about my dick, my money and my business? Should I be sending you pictures of my dick and my paycheck each week, just so you can stop worrying so much about them?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2300566]Why are you so obsessed with me? Honestly, it's a bit weird having a couple of grown men focused on my every move. Surely you can find something better to do.
Just to clear something up, for everyone else, you'll always be baffled, the "Colombian chicas (chics)", was a 28 year old woman and her 33 year old novio.
Here's why, regardless of what money you might have, you'll always struggle to be relevant: you're too obsessed with your fragile ego to deal with facts.
Fact: you stated that it's $200 more to fly to Puerta Plata than to MDE. One of the few times you got something right.
However, people who bother to do some research don't fly to POP. They either fly into Santiago de LOS Caballeros or Santo Domingo. STI costs $3 more than to MDE from FLL. SDQ is $5 more. You've had the discrepancy pointed out by more than one person and instead of acknowledging your error, you want to deflect onto my issues from a year ago. And on those issues you insist on sticking with your fantasies rather than the facts which I've written extensively about.
Fact: You claimed that the higher ticket prices were due to the demand for Dominicans.
You ignore the facts that, have also been mentioned by others. The increased airport fees at POP were widely discussed on the DR forum 4 years ago. Prices are much cheaper at SDQ and STI. Fuel is more expensive on an island. Here's some more facts. DR biggest import is petroleum products. Colombia's biggest export is petroleum products. An importer has higher costs than an exporter. You will have difficulty understanding this, but airlines don't set ticket prices based on the popularity of a destination's prostitutes.
Fact: I ran out of money 1 year ago. No argument from me on this one. It's something that you spend more time worrying about than I do, even though I've had much longer to worry about it.[/QUOTE]You admit she broke you and sent you back home to the US penniless. Like I say, a fool and his money shall soon part. Personally I trust no woman, not one. I've seen them at their worst, so now I see them all that way. They can't steal what you don't give them an opportunity to do so! Cheers, Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2300658]You admit she broke you and sent you back home to the US penniless. Like I say, a fool and his money shall soon part. Personally I trust no woman, not one. I've seen them at their worst, so now I see them all that way. They can't steal what you don't give them an opportunity to do so! Cheers, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]You really have no reading comprehension, do you? I've covered this all at least twice before. She didn't break me. She didn't get any money from me, except when I paid her for some shipping charges for some boxes I had sent from the US. Her boyfriend simply failed to come through with the work he had told me would be available. My money was spent on living expenses, furniture, clothing, food, drink and women. I also spent money on some bills I had in the states, most notably my phone bill and some medical bills. I also spent about $1000 on an international medical insurance plan and $1000 on Spanish classes at EAFIT. Then there was another $1000 for a new laptop I had shipped from the US.
During the year I spent roughly $30 k. Of that $25 k or $26 k was my money, the rest was the little bit I earned with the work I did.
Now, considering the year prior, I spent $50 k living in the US, living better, having more fun and mostly being on vacation for a year, for $20 k less than I spent working 60 hour weeks seems like a pretty good trade.
Now where do you want me to send those weekly dick and paycheck pictures? Because you're clearly still obsessed with my shit.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2300940]You really have no reading comprehension, do you? I've covered this all at least twice before. She didn't break me. She didn't get any money from me, except when I paid her for some shipping charges for some boxes I had sent from the US. Her boyfriend simply failed to come through with the work he had told me would be available. My money was spent on living expenses, furniture, clothing, food, drink and women. I also spent money on some bills I had in the states, most notably my phone bill and some medical bills. I also spent about $1000 on an international medical insurance plan and $1000 on Spanish classes at EAFIT. Then there was another $1000 for a new laptop I had shipped from the US.
During the year I spent roughly $30 k. Of that $25 k or $26 k was my money, the rest was the little bit I earned with the work I did.
Now, considering the year prior, I spent $50 k living in the US, living better, having more fun and mostly being on vacation for a year, for $20 k less than I spent working 60 hour weeks seems like a pretty good trade.
Now where do you want me to send those weekly dick and paycheck pictures? Because you're clearly still obsessed with my shit.[/QUOTE]I'm in Medellin getting a BBBJ as I type this, you're my last worry, if you're broke you're broke, some people accept that being financially stable is their wish. Some guys want to be a peeping tom and fake webcam producer while losing every penny. You post on this thread like you live here everyday, you don't. I come to Medellin monthly and can tell you the city changes frequently and the girls also. You are quite strange when you feel the need to explain anything to a BM you don't personally know. But that's that pompous ego of yours. You're broke, its your fault, your were fooled, and you were not prepared to be tricked. You should only post on ways to avoid being tricked and left penniless. Good day sir. Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2301028]I'm in Medellin getting a BBBJ as I type this, you're my last worry, if you're broke you're broke, some people accept that being financially stable is their wish. Some guys want to be a peeping tom and fake webcam producer while losing every penny. You post on this thread like you live here everyday, you don't. I come to Medellin monthly and can tell you the city changes frequently and the girls also. You are quite strange when you feel the need to explain anything to a BM you don't personally know. But that's that pompous ego of yours. You're broke, its your fault, your were fooled, and you were not prepared to be tricked. You should only post on ways to avoid being tricked and left penniless. Good day sir. Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]It must not be a very good BBBJ. Seriously.
If I'm your last worry, why would you bother to send a response while you're getting a BBBJ? Even a BBBJ can't get your thoughts of of me. I guess I should be flattered. You're thinking more about my dick than your own.
I'm not broke. I'm not wealthy, but then I've never been wealthy. But I've money in the bank, money in my pocket and a steady income. My bills are minimal and they're all paid on time, and I have plenty left over every week. My needs are all being met. As I said, if you're so concerned about my dick and my finances, I'll send you pics, just send me the email.
And you can't say you're not thinking about them, you have written as much about me as you have about getting pussy. Hell, you can't even stop thinking about me and my finances while getting a BBBJ.
I post on this thread and several others, just like a lot of people. Most of them don't live there every day. Some have never been there. Very few have ever spent 12 consecutive months there. If you want to set requirements on posting to a thread, let's do it right. Only people who have spent 12 or more consecutive months in the city are allowed to answer questions. No?
The city changes frequently? And the girls too? Amazing! I imagine by now the Coltejer building is painted pink and Botero Plaza has been replaced by a Flamingo store. All new girls too? Fascinating. All the prepagos in Medellin just work 1 month and disappear, never to be heard from again. They just get replaced by a new crop every month.
I'm a bit confused on this one. How do you explain the guys who have been seeing the same girls for 5 or more years? How do you explain the casas and strip clubs that people have been reporting on for 10 years? How do you explain the debate on the price of pussy, which I know has been going on for at least 4 years. At the exact same price?
As I said before, you're always at a disadvantage, because your first priority is to support your fragile ego. You post repeatedly about the constancy of El Centro, but because your ego is threatened you try to tell us that nobody better stay away from Medellin for more than a month or they won't be able to recognize it.
Here's how far off track you are: You question why I would try to explain things to someone I don't know and then blame it on having a pompous ego. But a person with a pompous ego wouldn't bother to explain. That's a long way from being pompous.
A peeping Tom? A fake webcam producer? Where do you come up with this garbage? I can't imagine being a peeping Tom in Medellin, especially Poblado where everything is a high rise. Peeking into a parking garage doesn't appeal to me. Certainly not in the estrato 2 barrios where I'd likely end up dead.
As for fake webcam producer, I appreciate the promotion, but there's no such position as "webcam producer" real or fake. And since you keep going on about me being penniless, how could I be a producer, who, among other things, arranges financing for a production?
Nothing fake about anything I did. Every webcam model I worked with was real. Every show was real and broadcast live, via the Internet, around the world. Quite a few guys, including some from ISG sat and watched me work.
Now, can you explain in detail how I was tricked and fooled? It shouldn't be hard, I've written the whole story. Can you tell me the names of the people who tricked and fooled me? Can you tell me where my money went and who ended up with it? Can you at least tell me the screen name and broadcast platform of any of the models I worked with? For someone who pretends to know so much about me, that one should be simple.
Enough of dealing with your silliness. Here's a simple question for you. How much have you spent? According to your posts, your second trip to Medellin was about 1 year ago. In that year, how much did you spend? This includes living expenses, both in the US and Medellin. It includes all travel expenses. It includes all bills, such as cable, electric, phone, etc. It includes all you spent on food, furniture, clothing and entertainment. It includes all you spent on pussy. How much? Grand total of the last 1 year of your life?
You don't need to post the amount. Just answer this question: was it more or less than $30,000 USD? I'm betting more.
So you're criticizing me because I spent less money, worked less and had greater access to the women of Medellin for twice as long as you? And I got much better BBBJs while I was at it, because I never got so bored with a blowjob that I had to go read ISG.
Do you want the dick pics erect or limp?
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2301028]I'm in Medellin getting a BBBJ as I type this, you're my last worry[/QUOTE]I can't help it. This is comedy gold. It's simultaneously one of the most hilarious and saddest things I've ever read.
In the middle of, not just a blowjob, but a bareback blowjob, you grab your phone, login to ISG to read what I've written and you reply that I'm you're last worry. During a BBBJ.
We need to add a new acronym.
PN. When you dig out your old golf shoes with the metal spikes in order to stomp on someone and you end up stepping on your own dick.
During a BBBJ.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2301398]I can't help it. This is comedy gold. It's simultaneously one of the most hilarious and saddest things I've ever read... [/QUOTE]It's all kind of funny really, this strange obsession with your time in Medellin, your business opportunity that fell through, and your finances.
I personally admire those who take opportunities and chances and live life.
To ridicule another for a business endeavor that fell through is strange to me.
Truth is, a year straight living in Medellin is an invaluable experience.
Returning and enjoying the city every month is also enviable.
As we all know, there are many ways to enjoy Medellin.
No reason for petty jealousies and silly jabs.
I don’t get it, unless it’s just enjoyable to quibble, Lol.
Balboa out. 🤪
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2301408]It's all kind of funny really, this strange obsession with your time in Medellin, your business opportunity that fell through, and your finances. I personally admire those who take opportunities and chances and live life.[/QUOTE]For this statement to make any sense there must not be any such thing as bad business decisions. But there are as the original version of JJBee's story proves. He sells all he has, puts together two suitcases and moves to Medellin to rent a room from a webcam model he met as a customer (voyeur, "peeping tom" whatever lolol). And the obsessions are his, one with writing these long posts trying to put his best spin on the webcam debacle. Problem is I sat and talked with him on a number of occasions and he was all set to make his fortune in the webcam business. Now he says he knew it was a "long shot. " he claims he wasn't cheated but he was again and again on Facebook lamenting to his audience about how he never got paid for his work. He calls the fact that he was screwed a "fair trade" for living in Medellin for a year, but he could have done the same without the webcam venture. He could have just as easily rented a room someplace else for a year, or seen the writing on the wall early. There's no correlation, no "trade" took place.
He's also long been obsessed with Pollo Negro. Yes Pollo Negro talks things up some for entertainment purposes. JJBee regularly takes shots at him and Pollo hits back, and admittedly too often.
He's also obsessed with being the all wise one here. All is well as long as others are deferring to his wisdom. But if he gets challenged, called out on his condescending attitude or passive-aggressive snipes he starts slinging mud. It's devolved to that with a number of posters here. Just look up his wars with see Jack Sparrow for one. In my case I challenged him on some points regarding negotiations and dealing with problem girls in the room, and many here found my perspective more reasonable. In response he blasts confidential information regarding an unrelated, bad experience of mine. Discussion of his business ventures only followed this, so you are missing the chronology here.
Anyway I don't see much if any new ground being covered here. If I see some new material worth responding to I'll weigh in again. Keep on obsessing folks. LOL I haven't posted here in three weeks and have a business to run. Medellin in May, Yuuuppppiiii.
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What not to do in Medellin
Definitely have seen this guy at the Java Hut in Fairfax:
[URL]https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/renno-arrest-medellin-sfo-colombia-charges-13730140.php[/URL]
Lesson to be learned. Don't be an idiot.
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I met a SW in El Centro around midnight who I went with to a room for 40 k. She persuaded me to go for longer to a local hotel for 80 k (+hotel 30 k). My intention was to stay with her for an hour or two before taking an Uber alone to where I was staying.
Between 2 am and 5 am I have no recollection of what happened but I woke around 5 am in the hotel with her next to me. We exchanged numbers and left around 6 am. I went to the Metro.
I remember the Metro being extremely busy so I was waiting for a quieter train. I am not sure how many trains I let pass, but one Police officer approached me kindly telling me to get on a train, and then later another approached me telling me much more firmly to get on a train.
I found later that a few thousand pesos was missing (ie not much), along with a handful of single dollar USD bills (they were only in my wallet to satisfy a potential mugger that that was my main wallet).
Given that it was not my intention to sleep in the room with her, and that I was possibly half asleep on the Metro platform, does this sound like a drugging incident?
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2349125]
Given that it was not my intention to sleep in the room with her, and that I was possibly half asleep on the Metro platform, does this sound like a drugging incident?[/QUOTE]IMO, it doesn't. Typically, if drugged and you wake up, you would wake up alone with anything of value gone.
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2349234]IMO, it doesn't. Typically, if drugged and you wake up, you would wake up alone with anything of value gone.[/QUOTE]And you'd be out a lot longer. Those knockout drugs are serious stuff.
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2349125]I met a SW in El Centro around midnight ... Given that it was not my intention to sleep in the room with her, and that I was possibly half asleep on the Metro platform, does this sound like a drugging incident?[/QUOTE]There are many types of drugs. A light dose of a date-r ape drug could possibly do that to you. The question is, what opportunity did you give her to introduce any drugs into your system?
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2349125]I met a SW in El Centro around midnight who I went with to a room for 40 k.
[/QUOTE]Personally I do all my Centro SW searching between 10 am and 5 pm, it's gets sketchier the later it gets and a lot less cops out and about. After dark I hit the strip clubs instead.
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[QUOTE=Wolf662;2349352]Personally I do all my Centro SW searching between 10 am and 5 pm, it's gets sketchier the later it gets and a lot less cops out and about. After dark I hit the strip clubs instead.[/QUOTE]Great plan Wolf!
I do the same, sometimes till about 7 pm.
You're right though, it gets sketchier the later it gets!
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2349588]Great plan Wolf!
I do the same, sometimes till about 7 pm.
You're right though, it gets sketchier the later it gets![/QUOTE]After 8 or 9 pm the pickings are slimmer too. At least that's been my experience.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2349304]There are many types of drugs. A light dose of a date-r ape drug could possibly do that to you. The question is, what opportunity did you give her to introduce any drugs into your system?[/QUOTE]Well we had a beer each in the first room, and again in the second place.
I had maximum 3 beers the whole evening, I wouldn't normally be drunk or fall asleep after this amount.
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Smelly pussy with white discharge
I am new to mongering. Last night encountered a hooker with smelly vagina and a small hint of white discharge. Just wanted to ask is this normal vaginal bacteria imbalance or some STD? And what do other mongers do when they take a hooker and encounter similar thing? Do you continue or terminate the session?
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[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2352335]And what do other mongers do when they take a hooker and encounter similar thing? Do you continue or terminate the session?[/QUOTE]I jack off in her mouth.
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[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2352335]I am new to mongering. Last night encountered a hooker with smelly vagina and a small hint of white discharge. Just wanted to ask is this normal vaginal bacteria imbalance or some STD? And what do other mongers do when they take a hooker and encounter similar thing? Do you continue or terminate the session?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a run-in with good old Mr. Yeast infection. You don't have to kill the session (though I know it's a mood killer), just flip her over for anal. If that's not in the cards, head is the best way to go.
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Instrument failure
[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2352619]Sounds like you had a run-in with good old Mr. Yeast infection. You don't have to kill the session (though I know it's a mood killer), just flip her over for anal. If that's not in the cards, head is the best way to go.[/QUOTE]The poor girl tried to jack me off by giving a BBBJ but my dick went so flacid that it became an inverted vagina.
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Medellin's new kind of sex tourism, 'immersion'
[URL]https://colombiareports.com/medellins-new-kind-of-sex-tourism-immersion/[/URL]
One of the downsides of Medellin's increase in tourism is the increase in sex tourism, an evolving industry that now includes an "immersion program" to teach visitors how to get laid.
The program is run by "dating coach" Austen Summers whose theoretic element of the program, according to his promotion video, includes an abundance of advice on how to have sex.
The "field practice" element of the "picking up girls" program includes apparent street harassment, grabbing women's breasts and allegedly getting removed from a college campus after trying to recruit women for a hotel party.
While being a misogynist is legal in Colombia to the point of abuse, it is unclear whether Summers' program on how to pick up girls and "achieve results" is.
Colombia Reports reached out to the "dating coach" to verify if Summers had the appropriate visa papers to carry out his controversial commercial activity, but was unable to get a response.
Update (July 31).
Summers has stopped advertising his sex tourism program, took down his Youtube video and, according to members, has ended all online activity in Medellin expat forums where he was allowed to promote his "immersion" program. It is unclear whether he is still in Colombia or has left the country.
(It will be interesting to see if this gains any momentum and causes any change in things like immigration / visa process.).
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2354069]
(It will be interesting to see if this gains any momentum and causes any change in things like immigration / visa process.).[/QUOTE]Unlikely. He'll either leave before they do or they'll find something to charge him with. Then this will be a distant memory.
They're not going to kill their tourism business by requiring visas. People will just go somewhere else.
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2354165]Unlikely. He'll either leave before they do or they'll find something to charge him with. Then this will be a distant memory.
They're not going to kill their tourism business by requiring visas. People will just go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]I meant if he isn't a tourist and has some type visa that he violated. If he is a tourist, then what he was doing by having a business in Colombia might be a violation of that status.
I was told that years ago Colin Post from the Expat Chronicles was barred from Colombia after posting on his blog about his sex / drugs lifestyle, which included a Bogota Brothel Tour. Perhaps something similar might happen to this dude.
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2354191]I meant if he isn't a tourist and has some type visa that he violated. If he is a tourist, then what he was doing by having a business in Colombia might be a violation of that status.
I was told that years ago Colin Post from the Expat Chronicles was barred from Colombia after posting on his blog about his sex / drugs lifestyle, which included a Bogota Brothel Tour. Perhaps something similar might happen to this dude.[/QUOTE]Yes. Every time some guy tries to run a business out of this hobby he gets burned.
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2354194]Yes. Every time some guy tries to run a business out of this hobby he gets burned.[/QUOTE][URL]https://thebogotapost.com/medellin-dating-academy-draws-ire-from-feminist-sphere/39849/?fbclid=IwAR3VFVwBmpcy5cEZckitDWDggKjSQdJTLcw9RnY5I8Gp7yzTGOeze0aweN0[/URL]
"One woman reported that she was allegedly approached by Summers and one of his students who started following her in the middle of the night. After she initially rejects the student's advances, he accuses her of being racist after asking her why she "didn't like black dick. " he then berates her. ".
"Due to its violent history, Medellin has never had big waves of foreign visitors compared to other cities in the region. In 2015, 212,000 foreigners visited the city and in 2019 this number has almost surpassed a million. While foreigners are mostly treated with kindness and respect, this reception to visitors will likely change if the paradigm of sexual and drug-related tourism keeps increasing. ".
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2355386][URL]https://thebogotapost.com/medellin-dating-academy-draws-ire-from-feminist-sphere/39849/?fbclid=IwAR3VFVwBmpcy5cEZckitDWDggKjSQdJTLcw9RnY5I8Gp7yzTGOeze0aweN0[/URL]
"One woman reported that she was allegedly approached by Summers and one of his students who started following her in the middle of the night. After she initially rejects the student's advances, he accuses her of being racist after asking her why she "didn't like black dick. " he then berates her. ".
[/QUOTE]The irony! The only reason you would think every Colombian woman is DTF is because you are a racist! Ha!
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2355435]The irony! The only reason you would think every Colombian woman is DTF is because you are a racist! Ha![/QUOTE]This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how the scene is changing. Enjoy it while it lasts!
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[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2352335]I am new to mongering. Last night encountered a hooker with smelly vagina and a small hint of white discharge. Just wanted to ask is this normal vaginal bacteria imbalance or some STD? And what do other mongers do when they take a hooker and encounter similar thing? Do you continue or terminate the session?[/QUOTE]Tell her your pussy stinks and has a discharge.
Give her 5 K for a taxi and tell her to leave.
If she is so unsanitary down there, I would not even risk her mouth on my dick.
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[QUOTE=Linyjo;2356025]I am disappointed with what I have read over and over on this thread and on many others.
What I see is people come to the board to try to get help getting what they want from their trip and all they get is people telling them they are stupid and to do something else instead.
[B]To those that came here looking for help getting what you want. [/B]
You do you buddy. Don't let anyone tell you to do the opposite and seek other things.
You have an idea in your mind of what you are trying to do, you do it. You may crash and burn and you may end up without what you want but you have to do you. It is your money, it is your time, it is your trip. You spend it the way you want to.[/QUOTE]I'll try not to be too harsh.
On this forum I'm only dealing with adults. No fragile kiddies who might be scarred by hearing about reality. Grown men who are traveling to a place that can be dangerous if they're walking around with their head in the clouds. Just like others did for me, when I first started posting about how I was going to reinvent mongering, I give the best advice I can, even if it bursts their bubble.
I've taken plenty of people on casa runs and strip club visits, taken a few to check out the street girls at Veracruz, Raudal and Mayorista and helped several get started on Facebook. I've also preached for people to find what's best for them. While it may not be the advice someone wants to hear, I always give the best advice I can.
Which brings us to fantasies. A fantasy is a very specific thing. If someone wants to check off a bucket list item, no problem. They will probably be okay however it turns out. Plus there are plenty of guys who can offer useful advice. However, when a guy is fantasizing about someone who resembles some porn star to fulfill their anal fantasy, they are setting themselves up for an epic failure.
The fantasy is something he's thought about too much. He's probably watched videos of that particular porn star, imagining himself as her co-star. Of course the fantasy leaves out all the background stuff to produce the porn clip. If he could hire that specific porn actress, it would probably be okay. It still wouldn't meet his expectations, but he would have the compensation of being with his favorite porn star.
However, instead of a porn star, who knows what to do, he'll have a girl who doesn't even speak his language. He'll have a girl who probably didn't properly prepare for his anal fantasy. He'll have a girl who might not even be willing to do anal with him. He'll have a girl who might not be as clean as he wants. He'll have a girl who might not look like her pictures. He'll have a girl who may have too little or too much experience. He'll have a girl who might not do anything in the way he expects.
He might still have a good time with the girl. However, he's not there to have a good time. He's there to duplicate something that only exists in his mind. How is anyone supposed to help with that? Especially with a woman who he'll only talk to for a few seconds before trying to achieve his dream.
There are 2 possible ways to help. The easiest way is to tell him to forget about the fantasy. Why build your expectations around an impossible dream? It's enough to spoil his entire trip.
The hard way he's already said he's not interested in. That would be to get on Facebook, get in contact with every prepago he can find. Talk to as many as possible. Find the ones who are down for anal. Find the ones who have the look he's looking for. Tell them about his fantasy. Send them specific videos to show what he wants. Make all the arrangements to do it right. If he finds the right girl, he might just pull it off.
Sometimes the best advice is to tell someone to change their plans.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2356104]However, instead of a porn star, who knows what to do, he'll have a girl who doesn't even speak his language. He'll have a girl who probably didn't properly prepare for his anal fantasy. He'll have a girl who might not even be willing to do anal with him. He'll have a girl who might not be as clean as he wants. He'll have a girl who might not look like her pictures. He'll have a girl who may have too little or too much experience. He'll have a girl who might not do anything in the way he expects.
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Sometimes the best advice is to tell someone to change their plans.[/QUOTE]There is also the possibility that he may find someone who exceeds all his expectations. I have had my expectations exceeded many times, and I am very picky.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2356150]There is also the possibility that he may find someone who exceeds all his expectations. I have had my expectations exceeded many times, and I am very picky.[/QUOTE]Sure. But how many times have you picked a girl because she reminds you of a porn star that you have a very specific fantasy about?
I've gone to casas expecting a typical casa session and walked out feeling like I won Olympic gold. My expectations were exceeded because I went in with reasonable expectations. Go to a casa sometime expecting to have the greatest experience of your life. Then come back and talk to me about having your expectations exceeded.
The problem with the fantasy is that it puts blinders on you. It keeps you from making good choices. It also starts you out with completely unreasonable expectations.
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[QUOTE=Linyjo;2356008]Tell her your pussy stinks and has a discharge.
Give her 5 K for a taxi and tell her to leave.
If she is so unsanitary down there, I would not even risk her mouth on my dick.[/QUOTE]That is my policy also. If a girl has really bad hygiene (infection, period, or whatever), I give her taxi money and explain why I can't bone her. Though I usually give them 20 k. This is going to happen a certain (small) percentage of the time and one shouldn't let it throw you off.
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Apparently it's stupid shit season
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2362640]Are you really quoting a guy who misquoted me? Seriously? Don't let the fact that I didn't lose the girl to a guy with more money or a better body get in the way of your opinion though.[/QUOTE]Half my time is spent explaining simple sentences to people with no reading comprehension skills.
According to you, you were worried about losing your girl to some guy with perfect abs, or some guy who would pay her more than you. Is there any misconception there? How you "lost" her is irrelevant.
[B]If you are paying a girl to be with you, you don't have her to lose. She's a rental.[/B]
Did you understand it this time? If not, I'm at a loss. I don't know how to use crayons to explain things on the forum.
[QUOTE]Then why would you post anything else?[/QUOTE]Here's a word you should get someone to explain to you: "superlative."
When you say "all Venezuelans" or "every Venezuelan" you're using a superlative. It's a logical fallacy. Sorry to create more work for whoever needs to simplify these things for you.
I have not met all Venezuelans. You have not met all Venezuelans. I can't speak for all Venezuelans. However, you feel your experience with 1 Venezuelan makes you the spokesman for all 32 million.
That's why I posted something else, because my Venezuelan experience has been different than your Venezuelan experience. The biggest difference is, I don't try to claim all Venezuelans are exactly the same.
[QUOTE]Let me ask you and ME this question then given your incredible "knowledge" on Venezuela.
Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia so why is Saudi Arabia a rich country and Venezuela a poor one?[/QUOTE]I'm assuming "ME" is referring to Mr Enternational.
Did someone replace the "Kick me" sign on my back with a "show me you're incapable of reason" sign?
Time for a history lesson. Let's start with Iran. In the early 1900's Great Britain gained the rights to Iran's oil reserves. Iran was getting screwed in the deal and in 1950, tried to take their petroleum industry back. With the help of British and US intelligence forces, the government was overthrown and placed in the hands of a sympathetic leader. This got Iran a better deal, but still allowed plenty of profit for US and British petroleum.
Iran profited. The Shah profited even more. Then came the student revolution. Our oil companies got the boot and they've been our enemy ever since. As a result, their economy has suffered.
Now we move to Saudi Arabia. The kingdom instigated the search for oil, brought in the experts and controlled the agreements. This allowed them to strike a better deal from the start. As the need for oil grew, their wealth grew. After the 1973 oil embargo forced oil prices higher, their wealth grew faster. Since the US oil companies benefit from the arrangement, Saudi Arabia became our fair haired (although swarthy and dark haired) child in the region. They can do no wrong as long as our companies get their share.
Next stop, Venezuela.
Are you beginning to notice a trend? From 1943-1976 Venezuela received 50% of oil revenues. They prospered. In 1976 they nationalized the oil industry. They still prospered, although there were problems.
Then in 1999 Chavez took over. Instead of continuing investment in the oil industry, he used the profits for social programs. He also used the money that should have been reinvested in the oil industry.
When you stop feeding your cash cow, the cow dies. This led to runaway inflation. A contributing factor was the animosity between Chavez and the US. Losing out on such a convenient market made the situation worse. Maduro has done nothing to reverse Chavez's policies. The inflation continues. The collapse continues. The US is happy because once the Maduro government falls, our companies can go back to Venezuela and start reaping the profits again.
The more important question is, what does any of that have to do with the attitudes of all Venezuelans? What does it have to do with their understanding of capitalism? They've been going to the stores to buy their goods their whole life. They've been selling the products they make their whole life. There has never been some magical Venezuelan fairy who pops up and brings people masarepa, beans, rice, eggs and chicken whenever they say "Hail Chavez. " Their lives have been, until the recent problems, almost indistinguishable from the lives of Colombians.
Some are good. Some are bad. Some are sweet and loving. Some are cold and calculating. Some are intelligent. Some aren't.
It's too bad you hooked up with one and it didn't turn out the way you wanted. But it's time to accept some of the blame, instead of trying to blame your failure on the entire population of Venezuela.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2349304]There are many types of drugs. A light dose of a date-r ape drug could possibly do that to you. The question is, what opportunity did you give her to introduce any drugs into your system?[/QUOTE]Following on from the above, just wondering after how meetings with a girl you would trust her with your open drink while going to the bathroom etc?
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Anyone have good recommendations for casinos in Bogota or Medellin. I prefer table games over slots.
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Medellin Casino
[QUOTE=BedWetter;2383360]Anyone have good recommendations for casinos in Bogota or Medellin. I prefer table games over slots.[/QUOTE]IDK about Bogota but for Medellin.
Casino San Fernando in El Poblado.
Type it directly into Uber. Most Taxi drivers should know where it is.
5 Mil Table Minimum.
Perfect Pair Mini Game Starting at 2 Mil side bet. On Suit Pairs pay 35 x the wager, of suit, 12 x.
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Casino rio
Casino Rio in Medellíand.
[QUOTE=BedWetter;2383360]Anyone have good recommendations for casinos in Bogota or Medellin. I prefer table games over slots.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Although I used to adore the place years ago, I rarely go to Parque Lleras anymore. Either it has changed, my point of view has changed, or the place's warts have become exposed. Probably a combination of all 3. I was bored on Sunday, I ventured over there. It has been at least 18 months since I was there, and probably more than a year before that.
Although there have been some upgrades since 10 years ago, it appears to me mildly more rundown and dirty than the old days. For me, clearly its most glorious days are behind. Divina Cielo for example was once a fair restaurant. Good memories there. I see now it is just a beer and hotdog stand.
Its so very overrun by foreigners now, mostly from the US. There are (I'll try to say this kindly) displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12. This is new in the past 2-3 years. Do they have their own airline and hotel now?? They speak a corrupt form of English, largely recognizable and functional only to their group. Spanish is out of the question for most of them. Strangely, there are often no women tagging along. You might also see these huddles in strip clubs or even casas. Most of them dress in a manner that fits in here.
The geezer gringos tend to fly solo or in pairs at most..[/QUOTE]Who are you to judge these guys? Let them be, they aren't affecting you so no reason to make fun.
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Very funny and not only for L. A.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Although I used to adore the place years ago, I rarely go to Parque Lleras anymore. Either it has changed, my point of view has changed, or the place's warts have become exposed. Probably a combination of all 3. I was bored on Sunday, I ventured over there. It has been at least 18 months since I was there, and probably more than a year before that.
Although there have been some upgrades since 10 years ago, it appears to me mildly more rundown and dirty than the old days. For me, clearly its most glorious days are behind. Divina Cielo for example was once a fair restaurant. Good memories there. I see now it is just a beer and hotdog stand.
Its so very overrun by foreigners now, mostly from the US. There are (I'll try to say this kindly) displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12. This is new in the past 2-3 years. Do they have their own airline and hotel now?? They speak a corrupt form of English, largely recognizable and functional only to their group. Spanish is out of the question for most of them. Strangely, there are often no women tagging along. You might also see these huddles in strip clubs or even casas. Most of them dress in a manner that fits in here.
The geezer gringos tend to fly solo or in pairs at most. They are distinguished by their sloppy or ill-advised clothes and white sneakers. They're seen also struggling through the learning curve of Whatsapp and translator apps. I saw no clumsy Chinese this visit..[/QUOTE]Funny post and, unlike many posts on this board, it's honest. Same could be said, except for the Black groups of the Philippines. But it takes a long time to catch on to this because you just a stupid foreigner here at least for the first few years. Do not waste money on meals, etc. Unless you already have a loving relationship with them which usually only occurs with women close to your age and with whom you have a good personality match and speak their language. There is no point in dressing up a pig and putting on lipstick, it's still a pig metaphorically speaking of such "relationships."
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[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2415036]Panama has better female quality surprisingly than Colombia, in terms of looks atleast (girls from all over South America go to Panama) but the service is terrible.[/QUOTE]Man it's definitely a case of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion the female quality was much better in Colombia for sure. The malls, the streets, tinder chicks, etc. All ranked above the Panamanian chicks I saw the last time I was there. I do have to agree that the service is terrible in Panama though. This is why I'm heading back to Colombia this week LOL.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Although I used to adore the place years ago, I rarely go to Parque Lleras anymore. Either it has changed, my point of view has changed, or the place's warts have become exposed. Probably a combination of all 3. I was bored on Sunday, I ventured over there. It has been at least 18 months since I was there, and probably more than a year before that.
[/QUOTE]That's some funny fuckin shit right there LOL. The post had me laughing but it also came with some good advice. I wonder what group I fall into??
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Bullseye
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Although I used to adore the place years ago, I rarely go to Parque Lleras anymore. Either it has changed, my point of view has changed, or the place's warts have become exposed. Probably a combination of all 3. I was bored on Sunday, I ventured over there. It has been at least 18 months since I was there, and probably more than a year before that.
Although there have been some upgrades since 10 years ago, it appears to me mildly more rundown and dirty than the old days. For me, clearly its most glorious days are behind. Divina Cielo for example was once a fair restaurant. Good memories there. I see now it is just a beer and hotdog stand.
Its so very overrun by foreigners now, mostly from the US. There are (I'll try to say this kindly) displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12. This is new in the past 2-3 years. Do they have their own airline and hotel now?? They speak a corrupt form of English, largely recognizable and functional only to their group. Spanish is out of the question for most of them. Strangely, there are often no women tagging along. You might also see these huddles in strip clubs or even casas. Most of them dress in a manner that fits in here.[/QUOTE]No need to read a book or look any further for how it is. This post says it all! Excelente job SR.
P.S. can someone tell me how to cut down a quote? Although in this case it's all good reading.
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[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Although I used to adore the place years ago, I rarely go to Parque Lleras anymore. Either it has changed, my point of view has changed, or the place's warts have become exposed. Probably a combination of all 3. I was bored on Sunday, I ventured over there. It has been at least 18 months since I was there, and probably more than a year before that.
Although there have been some upgrades since 10 years ago, it appears to me mildly more rundown and dirty than the old days. For me, clearly its most glorious days are behind. Divina Cielo for example was once a fair restaurant. Good memories there. I see now it is just a beer and hotdog stand.
Its so very overrun by foreigners now, mostly from the US. There are (I'll try to say this kindly) displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12. This is new in the past 2-3 years. Do they have their own airline and hotel now?? They speak a corrupt form of English, largely recognizable and functional only to their group. Spanish is out of the question for most of them. Strangely, there are often no women tagging along. You might also see these huddles in strip clubs or even casas. Most of them dress in a manner that fits in here.
The geezer gringos tend to fly solo or in pairs at most. They are distinguished by their sloppy or ill-advised clothes and white sneakers. They're seen also struggling through the learning curve of Whatsapp and translator apps. I saw no clumsy Chinese this visit.
Below we see a really, uh.. "big" and uh.. "senior" geezer in a Hawaaiian shirt... with his date. She sits as far away from him as possible in a booth. She looked every bit the unhappy wage earning minion in an office cubicle picking at a brown bag lunch, as he stuffed his face. Fellows, colombianas are affectionate and attentive. If a lady won't sit near you, cut your losses and send her on her way. You repulse her.
This other guy actually was wearing lanyard around his neck, what?. I'll give him credit though he was trying to speak spanish with her.
Here's the thing gentlemen. These girls do NOT want to sit down and eat a meal with you. This activity is done only with family or close friends in their culture. It is boring, uncomfortable, and just odd to do it with a stranger, a foreigner no less. You are not ingratiating yourself by buying a dinner. In their view its a waste of money that could be going in to their pocket. Or, a waste of time and money that could be spent getting drunk. You are adding to their discomfort or misery of being with you. And for heaven's sake don't make them watch American Football. Almost nothing could be less interesting to them.
They WANT TO get drunk and high. Take them to a a rumba bar (nice or a dump, it doesn't matter) and let them drink to their heart's content for a couple of hours. Now you're showing them a good time! Do NOT let them bring friends or "cousins", you will be locked out immediately. DO let them gradually bond and party with other girls in the bar. Now they're having fun with you. If they are skilled dancers take them to a salsa bar. Let them dance with other good dancers. That's NOT you. Cut them off after about 2-1/2 hours, typically 1 am, or they will be too drunk and tired to play when you get behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]Ya know life is about ongoing change. Not about satisfying individual egos. Back in the day when the beetles hit the scene, some people were put off by things that brought about change around the world. But the world and people in it adapted in spite of that.
I have a few questions. Have the Colombian people and service providers ( hoes too ) adapted to the presence of whoever has entered their scene? Will relations and interactions be fine tuned over time? Will there be more changes 10 more years down the road? Will there be individuals offering their perspective of the current scene when it happens, and how things used to be? Will people move about their lives regardless of opinion or perspectives of others? The answers to these questions is a resounding yes.
That being the case. I think people should just learn to let life do it's thing. Maybe just be pleased in the fact, that the world is not defective, it is evolving normally. If Colombian people are the ones responsible for giving access to their country to foreigners, doesn't it make sense that foreigners from all over would actually come? How does a place become over run with foreigners or a particular group if the Colombian people are the ones inviting foreigners to visit or live in their country? Wont the visa and tourist requirements take care of that?
Is it a foreigner problem being discussed here, or a personal problem? It's much easier to get rid of a few disgruntled individuals than to move the earth and the people in it to satisfy them.
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[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Its so very overrun by foreigners now, mostly from the US. There are (I'll try to say this kindly) displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12. This is new in the past 2-3 years. Do they have their own airline and hotel now?? They speak a corrupt form of English, largely recognizable and functional only to their group. Spanish is out of the question for most of them. Strangely, there are often no women tagging along. You might also see these huddles in strip clubs or even casas. Most of them dress in a manner that fits in here.[/QUOTE]This is a terrible (borderline disrespectful) way to describe the African American people, their culture is an integral part of the American culture, and they have every right to be in Lleras as any of us. I love to party with people from different cultural background, and I often learn a lot from them.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]The geezer gringos tend to fly solo or in pairs at most. They are distinguished by their sloppy or ill-advised loathes and white sneakers. They're seen also struggling through the learning curve of Whatsapp and translator apps. I saw no clumsy Chinese this visit.[/QUOTE]I take it that you are not from America nor Asian, and you pretty much dislike other people's culture preferences. If that's the case, why travel at all.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047]Below we see a really, uh.. "big" and uh.. "senior" geezer in a Hawaaiian shirt... with his date. She sits as far away from him as possible in a booth. She looked every bit the unhappy wage earning minion in an office cubicle picking at a brown bag lunch, as he stuffed his face. Fellows, Colombians are affectionate and attentive. If a lady won't sit near you, cut your losses and send her on her way. You repulse her.
This other guy actually was wearing lanyard around his neck, what?. I'll give him credit though he was trying to speak spanish with her.
Here's the thing gentlemen. These girls do NOT want to sit down and eat a meal with you. This activity is done only with family or close friends in their culture. It is boring, uncomfortable, and just odd to do it with a stranger, a foreigner no less. You are not ingratiating yourself by buying a dinner. In their view its a waste of money that could be going in to their pocket. Or, a waste of time and money that could be spent getting drunk. You are adding to their discomfort or misery of being with you. And for heaven's sake don't make them watch American Football. Almost nothing could be less interesting to them .[/QUOTE]It is obvious that you have a strong opinion on what the girls in lleras want, but it is just an opinion, don't confuse that with fact. I doubt that you have conducted a survey on the psychological state of the working girls in lleras that's large enough to allow you to draw any reliable conclusion. Besides, like Mr. E said, they are escorting, serving a client's need is their job.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2415047] they are skilled dancers take them to a salsa bar. Let them dance with other good dancers. That's NOT you.[/QUOTE]No need to pay an escort to dance with other guys, it is an unintelligent way to spend your money. Save the money and signup for salsa class.
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SpiderRider,
I just wrote a complete rebuttal, before deleting it. What would be the point?
There's a lot of stuff in here that horrifies me. How could someone continue to visit a country with such a diverse racial mix, yet hold such opinions about African Americans? You made it crystal clear, you feel they have no business living anywhere except Africa. However, everyone is entitled to their beliefs.
There is some stuff that's wrong, and that's what I'll address.
Colombians go out to eat all the time. Even in the poorest areas you'll find little restaurants, some with only 2 or 3 tables. While they often do go out in groups they also go alone, with a co-worker, or just a friend. I've had many enjoyable meals with Colombianas. Not boring, not uncomfortable, nobody was repulsed.
Every girl I've invited to lunch or dinner has been appreciative. With friends, they'll sometimes say they can't afford it, but if I tell them I'm inviting them, they'll accept. Later, they will invite me.
In Colombia, inviting someone means you are paying. "Vamos a almorzar. Te invito. " Let's go to lunch. I'm inviting you, means my treat. "Voy a almorzar. Quieres venir conmigo? I'm going to lunch. Do you want to come along? That means I'm not offering to buy, but I'd welcome the company.
Colombianas are affectionate. They're also conscious about appearance. Most of the girls we are seeing are estrato 1-3. Parque Lleras is estrato 6. Unless you're with a Mansion girl, who eats with an old monger in Lleras 3 times a week, she's out of her comfort zone. Plus, it's obvious to her everyone knows she's a puta. I've seen very few girls snuggling up with men in the Parque Lleras restaurants. This includes obvious Colombian couples.
Not all Colombianas just want to get drunk or high. If you're paying someone for sex and she just wants to get drunk or high, you're paying the wrong person.
Taking someone out, who you're paying to fuck, is fine; dinner, drinks, movie, dancing, whatever. Letting her drink as much as she wants is a bad idea. It's an even worse idea if you're drinking too. Here's just a few things you may end up dealing with:
Bar fight.
Vomit.
Vomit in the lobby.
Vomit in the elevator.
Vomit in your bed.
Vomit in your jacuzzi tub.
Crying girl.
Screaming girl.
Violent girl.
Angry guys.
Passed out girl.
Getting drugged.
Getting arrested.
Getting robbed.
Getting killed.
Plus you're spending money that's just getting in the way of what you wanted to do. Fuck the girl. If you want a drunk or high girl, go to Club Fahrenheit at 5 am. There will be plenty to choose from, already drunk or high. Or have drinks or drugs available at your apartment. It's cheaper. You remain in control. No risk from other people. Plus, instead of spending money to watch your girl dance with someone else, she can be dancing, naked, for you.
Here's my suggestion:
Do what works for you. It may not be right for someone else. If you want to take a girl out to eat, do it. If you want to take her to a movie, a mall, or to walk around Parque Arvi, do it. If you want to take her dancing, drinking, or out sniffing glue, do it. If you just want to fuck her and send her on her way, do it. If you want to pick girls of the street, from casas or strip clubs, or you want to pick the 2 million pesos per hour girl off an escort site, do it.
It's your life and your money. Make the most of both. One or the other will eventually run out. Enjoy it while you can.
If you're not enjoying where you're at, or what you're doing, go somewhere else, do something else. Don't just sit around bitching about other people enjoying themselves.
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Just my 2 centavos
SpiderRider,
Funny thing about perception is, you are assuming that you understand a situation that you are not involved in. Most people when they meet me, they cannot tell if I am American, Jamaican, Dominican, when In fact I was born in Puerto Rico. At first Medellin was difficult to understand, because I tried to reason with people who were truly trying to survive and not under any rhyme or reason.
In America, if a 60 year old man marries a 22 year old woman it looks crazy, in Medellin it looks just the opposite. Have you ever seen two 22 year old Colombians married? I have and I have also seen them sleeping in the park with their new born baby. So having a 60 year old well established guy who chooses to marry a 22 year old girl and provide her with what she needs, sure beats sleeping in Parque Botero with your husband and child.
Many of you guys on the board are over thinking it and are way too judgmental without knowing the entire situation. Many people contact me and still to this day, they try and make me understand why they choose Poblado over centro, but still have an itch to visit Centro? What is it about a place that you truly despise that makes you want to visit. What makes you think an expensive WG is better than a poor WG? They are both working girls. Many guys have contacted me to help them locate antibiotics after the condom broke, guess where most of the guys were staying and guess where most of their WGs were from? You guessed it, Poblado.
I am still baffled by the fact that guys can be in the land of pussy and all they can come to the board and contribute is how African Guys travel in groups, Chinese guys are stupid, and the fat old guys is repulsed by the girl he takes to the mall for a meal. Contribute guys, contribute, tell us about girls and where they are, the other BS is for the birds. Pollo Negro is out!
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SpiderRider,
Displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors. I suspect on the East Coast and Southern regions. They run in packs of 3-12.
Seriously we were all displaced from somewhere, the locals have ancestors displaced from Spain, we others from other parts of Europe and beyond.
They speak a corrupt form of English?
Exactly what do you think the British think when you here people from the USA, Canada or Australia talk?
They run in packs of 3-12
Are you saying that they have more friends and people that enjoy being around them?
The geezer gringos tend to fly solo or in pairs at most. They are distinguished by their sloppy or ill-advised clothes and white sneakers. They're seen also struggling through the learning curve of Whatsapp and translator apps.
I am a geezer and do not own a pair of loafers, or white ...did you really call them sneakers? I have not heard anyone call athletic shoes that since the 70s. I am neither baffled nor befuddled by either Whatsapp or a translator. I can read and have opposing thumbs.
Here's the thing gentlemen. These girls do NOT want to sit down and eat a meal with you. This activity is done only with family or close friends in their culture. It is boring, uncomfortable, and just odd to do it with a stranger, a foreigner no less. You are not ingratiating yourself by buying a dinner. In their view its a waste of money that could be going in to their pocket.
The last time I took a chica to dinner, I asked her first , as I usually do, "do you want to go with me to dinner or come over after?" She chose dinner and showed up dressed classy not sexy like she would have if she wanted to come over later. She had a blast picking off my plate and trying to feed me off of hers and picking the dessert and tried feeding that to me also, I was the one that would have been embarrassed had I thought I was ever going to see anyone from that restaurant again.
So are you sure that you have their view at all? All of them?
The key takeaway from your post was the was the descriptive title word Melancholy; an uptown word for sad or an old school word for depressed. It is not a description of the place you were physically in, it is a description of the state your mind is in. Everyone else was there to have a good time, and they probably were. You were there emitting negative vibes. I think I would much enjoy reading their description of Parque Lleras as opposed to the ramblings of a melancholy mind. Have you considered antidepressants? Latina pussy is my antidepressant but it does not seem to be working for you.
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I couldn't agree more. As I wrote about that pointlessly hostile post once before, there are better ways to boost self esteem. I try to stay out of situations I find frustrating. Like big city nightclubs in Europe and the Americas LOL! But seriously, there are lots of Internet communities that appreciate the kind of stuff in the post about Lleras. On the whole, ISG is not one of them. [URL]Foxnews.com[/URL] or feminist NGO sites would be more receptive.
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2415369]SpiderRider,
Funny thing about perception is, you are assuming that you understand a situation that you are not involved in. Most people when they meet me, they cannot tell if I am American, Jamaican, Dominican, when In fact I was born in Puerto Rico. At first Medellin was difficult to understand, because I tried to reason with people who were truly trying to survive and not under any rhyme or reason.
In America, if a 60 year old man marries a 22 year old woman it looks crazy, in Medellin it looks just the opposite. Have you ever seen two 22 year old Colombians married? I have and I have also seen them sleeping in the park with their new born baby. So having a 60 year old well established guy who chooses to marry a 22 year old girl and provide her with what she needs, sure beats sleeping in Parque Botero with your husband and child.
Many of you guys on the board are over thinking it and are way too judgmental without knowing the entire situation. Many people contact me and still to this day, they try and make me understand why they choose Poblado over centro, but still have an itch to visit Centro? What is it about a place that you truly despise that makes you want to visit. What makes you think an expensive WG is better than a poor WG? They are both working girls. Many guys have contacted me to help them locate antibiotics after the condom broke, guess where most of the guys were staying and guess where most of their WGs were from? You guessed it, Poblado.
I am still baffled by the fact that guys can be in the land of pussy and all they can come to the board and contribute is how African Guys travel in groups, Chinese guys are stupid, and the fat old guys is repulsed by the girl he takes to the mall for a meal. Contribute guys, contribute, tell us about girls and where they are, the other BS is for the birds. Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]
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Not my final word
[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2415202]No need to read a book or look any further for how it is. This post says it all! Excelente job SR.
P.S. can someone tell me how to cut down a quote? Although in this case it's all good reading.[/QUOTE]I wrote a couple times explaining this reply, so this original quote was not my final. I now see how others may have been offended. I guess the guy had a good way with words and I was seeing his thoughts like they were a Mad Magazine or original SNL skit making of stereotypes that he sees or thinks he sees in Lleras. Funny stuff if you don't get offended. Just like comedians of all persuasions.
Let's admit something here and no offense intended to anyone but: Whites make fun of Blacks, Blacks make fun of Whites and we both make fun Asians.
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2417897]I wrote a couple times explaining this reply, so this original quote was not my final. I now see how others may have been offended. I guess the guy had a good way with words and I was seeing his thoughts like they were a Mad Magazine or original SNL skit making of stereotypes that he sees or thinks he sees in Lleras. Funny stuff if you don't get offended. Just like comedians of all persuasions.
Let's admit something here and no offense intended to anyone but: Whites make fun of Blacks, Blacks make fun of Whites and we both make fun Asians.[/QUOTE]You should have left it alone and let it fade away.
You left out a crucial word: "some. "
Some whites make fun of blacks. Some blacks make fun of whites. Some, black and white, make fun of Asians. However, just because some people do something, doesn't make it right or acceptable.
"Displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors" isn't comedy, unless everyone in the audience is dressed up in white sheets.
If someone is born and raised in the US from ancestors who were born and raised in the US for at least 8 generations, they aren't a "displaced African. " They're Americans. Most of those "displaced Africans" can claim a longer family history in the US than many of the guys here.
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Thanks for this!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2417930]You should have left it alone and let it fade away.
You left out a crucial word: "some. "
Some whites make fun of blacks. Some blacks make fun of whites. Some, black and white, make fun of Asians. However, just because some people do something, doesn't make it right or acceptable.
"Displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors" isn't comedy, unless everyone in the audience is dressed up in white sheets.
If someone is born and raised in the US from ancestors who were born and raised in the US for at least 8 generations, they aren't a "displaced African. " They're Americans. Most of those "displaced Africans" can claim a longer family history in the US than many of the guys here.[/QUOTE]Agreed 100%. Thank you for writing this. I called that original post drivel and racist and then admin deleted the racist part (why?) The post was racist--I am glad someone else noticed and is setting the record straight! We can do better than this guys! Sheesh!
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2418247]Agreed 100%. Thank you for writing this. I called that original post drivel and racist and then admin deleted the racist part (why?) The post was racist--I am glad someone else noticed and is setting the record straight! We can do better than this guys! Sheesh![/QUOTE]Several years ago I worked with a guy who was mixed white and Native American, delivering food to restaurants, schools, prisons, convenience stores, etc. One day I rode along with him as a helper. All day long he pointed out women, "check her out. " I pointed out a few as well.
At the end of the day I spotted a woman with an incredible body. Head to toe, a complete knockout walking down the street. I pointed her out and his reaction blew me away. It went something like:
"Oh my God! You like that? That's disgusting. It makes me sick just to think about that. You mean you'd really want someone like that?
The only difference between her and the other women he had been pointing out all day, she was black. If it had been cold and she had a coat and gloves covering her up, he would have been drooling. A minor difference in skin color changed her from gorgeous to grotesque, in his eyes.
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You are right
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2417930]You should have left it alone and let it fade away.
You left out a crucial word: "some. "
Some whites make fun of blacks. Some blacks make fun of whites. Some, black and white, make fun of Asians. However, just because some people do something, doesn't make it right or acceptable.
"Displaced African men raised in the US by their displaced African ancestors" isn't comedy, unless everyone in the audience is dressed up in white sheets.
If someone is born and raised in the US from ancestors who were born and raised in the US for at least 8 generations, they aren't a "displaced African. " They're Americans. Most of those "displaced Africans" can claim a longer family history in the US than many of the guys here.[/QUOTE]Can't argue, I should have left it alone but when I saw that it was posted here too I wanted to clarify But ended up muddying the waters. No offense to anyone intended.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2418405]Several years ago I worked with a guy who was mixed white and Native American, delivering food to restaurants, schools, prisons, convenience stores, etc. One day I rode along with him as a helper. All day long he pointed out women, "check her out. " I pointed out a few as well.
At the end of the day I spotted a woman with an incredible body. Head to toe, a complete knockout walking down the street. I pointed her out and his reaction blew me away. It went something like:
"Oh my God! You like that? That's disgusting. It makes me sick just to think about that. You mean you'd really want someone like that?
The only difference between her and the other women he had been pointing out all day, she was black. If it had been cold and she had a coat and gloves covering her up, he would have been drooling. A minor difference in skin color changed her from gorgeous to grotesque, in his eyes.[/QUOTE]Agreed as I encounter this same reaction for dark skin chicas here in Colombia. My Colombian buddy even went as far as tell me a few years ago that he would never ever consider a black, well fast forward 3 years and because of my prodding he now loves black paisas. For me the blacker the skin the sweeter the cherry.
The Tall Man.
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Seriously?
[QUOTE=PunkedLife;2428616]Why the fuck would she rat you out. That type of shit will get a ***** hurt she fuck with wrong person.[/QUOTE]What is wrong with you? Are you planning to go to Lima to beat up a few waitresses?
Have you considered the waitress probably did nothing wrong? She just saw a returning customer.
Mr. E fucked up. You don't take your side girl and your main girl to the same place. Everyone knows that. It's not the waitress' responsibility to keep track of which customers are cheating on who.
Maybe when your voice changes and your balls drop you'll get over this he-man, woman hater bullshit.
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Politics
Let's start with an apology to Balboa. You're correct, my comments about Pence and Trump were political and not helpful. It doesn't help anyone and should have been left out.
[QUOTE=JohnGault;2429321]I really liked your posts and could up to a certain point understood where you were coming from. You spoiled it all by bringing up politics.
Let me coin a new abbreviation. BHL bleeding heart liberal.[/QUOTE]Which brings us here.
I'm a BHL. Probably. Almost certainly by your definition. Before I was a staunch conservative. Who knows what I'll be in another 20 years. I don't care if you think I should support your political views. The total number of people who hold my political views is 1. Me.
He didn't spoil his story by bringing up politics. He spoiled his story by trying to rationalize a series of ridiculous mistakes on his part. He didn't even bring up politics. He simply mentioned the current political divide which exists within the US. Read your post and try to tell me it doesn't exist.
It exists. If you want to debate politics with me you'll resort to ad hominem attacks and leave screaming obscenities. I've seen it too many times. Why you or anyone would want to debate politics with me or any other monger is a mystery to me, but some guys are like that.
This is about pussy, finding, getting and enjoying, all without overpaying. I hate to break it to you, but most of these girls lean way left politically. You're literally funding a bunch of bleeding heart liberal feminists, while violating a core principle of the conservatives. Family values. All in a country with a lot more in common with Cuba than the US.
But this is about pussy. Does it matter if the guy you're comparing notes with is liberal, conservative, libertarian, or communist? If you're going to Colombia to discuss US politics there's something wrong with you. The pussy doesn't care. The beer doesn't care. The bandeja paisa doesn't care. So why bring your politics with you?
If someone drops in a political remark, ignore it. None of us are voting in Colombia. I'm sure there are plenty of members of both parties who would be happy to fuck, hot Colombianas for $15-$50. Bring that before Congress and you're going to see some serious bipartisan support. Hillary would probably even endorse it. I'm pretty sure Warren would dive in too.
We don't need to agree politically. We're not campaigning for anyone in Colombia, unless someone forms a "sweet, young pussy party. " We don't need to delve into politics here. We shouldn't delve into politics here. Things get sidetracked often enough. We don't need the whole board to collapse into nothing but politically motivated insults.
If you want to combine hookers and politics, go to Washington DC. Heck, run for Congress and let the lobbyists pay for the hookers.
Rant over.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2428654]Have you considered the waitress probably did nothing wrong? She just saw a returning customer.
Mr. E fucked up. You don't take your side girl and your main girl to the same place. Everyone knows that. It's not the waitress' responsibility to keep track of which customers are cheating on who.[/QUOTE]Nah she literally told her that I was there with another lady. But you are right. I got too comfortable and didn't cover my tracks.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2429369]Let's start with an apology to Balboa. You're correct, my comments about Pence and Trump were political and not helpful. It doesn't help anyone and should have been left out.
Which brings us here.
I'm a BHL. Probably. Almost certainly by your definition. Before I was a staunch conservative. Who knows what I'll be in another 20 years. I don't care if you think I should support your political views. The total number of people who hold my political views is 1. Me.
He didn't spoil his story by bringing up politics. He spoiled his story by trying to rationalize a series of ridiculous mistakes on his part. He didn't even bring up politics. He simply mentioned the current political divide which exists within the US. Read your post and try to tell me it doesn't exist.
It exists. If you want to debate politics with me you'll resort to ad hominem attacks and leave screaming obscenities. I've seen it too many times. Why you or anyone would want to debate politics with me or any other monger is a mystery to me, but some guys are like that.
This is about pussy, finding, getting and enjoying, all without overpaying. I hate to break it to you, but most of these girls lean way left politically. You're literally funding a bunch of bleeding heart liberal feminists, while violating a core principle of the conservatives. Family values. All in a country with a lot more in common with Cuba than the US..[/QUOTE]I find your post rather amusing considering the number of times you write that politics is uninteresting but still you write about it. To me it seems more that you don't want your political opponents to voice their opinions while you keep going on and on regarding things that's not about "pussy".
The mystery to me is that it's a mystery to you why anyone would want to debate politics as at the same time you are arguing with him.
You claim that most WG: s are leaning way left, I would love to see your source. I would say that most WG: s are leaning right. I don't think that you really understand what it means to belong to the politically right wing.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2429685]I find your post rather amusing considering the number of times you write that politics is uninteresting but still you write about it. To me it seems more that you don't want your political opponents to voice their opinions while you keep going on and on regarding things that's not about "pussy".
The mystery to me is that it's a mystery to you why anyone would want to debate politics as at the same time you are arguing with him.
You claim that most WG: s are leaning way left, I would love to see your source. I would say that most WG: s are leaning right. I don't think that you really understand what it means to belong to the politically right wing.[/QUOTE]Apparently what it means to belong to the political right wing is to have poor reading comprehension, although I'm sure there's more to it. As evidence, note that not once did I write, or insinuate that politics is uninteresting. I repeatedly wrote that this board is not the place to argue politics. Do you understand the difference? Do I need to elaborate on why this board is not the place to argue politics?
I have no political opponents. I'm not running for political office, I don't currently hold a political office and I have no plans to ever run for political office. While I do often write about things that aren't about pussy, I do make an effort to write about subjects useful for people who go to Colombia looking for pussy. I encourage everyone, whether right wing, left wing, centrist or apolitical to write about:
A. Pussy.
B. Places and methods to get pussy.
C. Staying safe while getting pussy.
D. Anything else related to getting pussy.
I discourage writing about:
A. Politics.
B. Religion.
C. Bad advice (other than to correct other's bad advice).
The mystery to you should be the meaning of your "mystery to me" sentence. Google Translate failed you. I'll try to clear it up for you. The mystery to me is why anyone would want to debate politics [B]on this board[/B], or why anyone would travel to Colombia [B]to debate politics[/B]. Note, this doesn't preclude debating politics. I'll happily debate politics with you, in the appropriate venue. I enjoy it. It's a source of wonder and amazement to me. Then afterwards you can cuss, call me names and make non-specific threats.
You can educate me on what it means to belong to the political right wing via PM. Or do you still fail to grasp that a board dedicated to finding and fucking working girls isn't the place for politics?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2429369]Let's start with an apology to Balboa. You're correct, my comments about Pence and Trump were political and not helpful. It doesn't help anyone and should have been left out.
.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!
We're good! Rarely see a guy apologize these days, though none was needed, that's a sign of character there.
As life goes on, I care more and more about enjoying it than getting lost in the BS that gets tossed at us every day.
I'm thankful that I discovered S. America at a fairly young age and have been cruising thru it for years now!
Keep on truck'n, I enjoy your posts!
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To Mr. JB
For a guy who didn't want to talk about politics you just did nine paragraphs on it.
Thank god I only wrote a few sentences.
All in all I do agree that politics suck, and don't belong here. I will not make that mistake again.
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[QUOTE=JohnGault;2429871]For a guy who didn't want to talk about politics you just did nine paragraphs on it.
Thank god I only wrote a few sentences.
All in all I do agree that politics suck, and don't belong here. I will not make that mistake again.[/QUOTE]It's better than it being on the Medellin Reports thread though. Sometimes folks will start going back and forth on the Medellin Reports thread about dumb shit that has nothing to do with anything related to this site. It makes it hard to go back and try to find valuable info. Especially when you're a newbie and want to read back about 20 plus pages.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2429880]It's better than it being on the Medellin Reports thread though. Sometimes folks will start going back and forth on the Medellin Reports thread about dumb shit that has nothing to do with anything related to this site. It makes it hard to go back and try to find valuable info. Especially when you're a newbie and want to read back about 20 plus pages.[/QUOTE]It is sometimes hard to find the valuable info, but there is lots of it in there.
Much better that people are posting a lot (albeit not all relevant) than other cities where no-one posts anything for a year!
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A Novel
There was a recent report that was so long it put me to sleep 5 times. Gentlemen get to the point unless your giving out some use full information, we don't need every detail you probly made up, we are here for info and interest not a long drawn out tell all about your every second you were here. If you want get a publisher, go ahead. But please don't bore us to sleep.
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[QUOTE=ElBacano;2433595]There was a recent report that was so long it put me to sleep 5 times. Gentlemen get to the point unless your giving out some use full information, we don't need every detail you probly made up, we are here for info and interest not a long drawn out tell all about your every second you were here. If you want get a publisher, go ahead. But please don't bore us to sleep.[/QUOTE]Agreed but no one is forcing you to read them. I just ignore. Same with the numb nuts in the PI forum who live there and do nothing but bad mouth the PI. I mean, geez, did someone put a gun to your head and force you to live there?
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[QUOTE=ElBacano;2433595]There was a recent report that was so long it put me to sleep 5 times. Gentlemen get to the point unless your giving out some use full information, we don't need every detail you probly made up, we are here for info and interest not a long drawn out tell all about your every second you were here. If you want get a publisher, go ahead. But please don't bore us to sleep.[/QUOTE]Would it be easier to just skip the reports that don't interest you. Coming back and forth to read it across 5 sleeping cycles is the best indication that those reports have value.
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[QUOTE=ElBacano;2433595]There was a recent report that was so long it put me to sleep 5 times. Gentlemen get to the point unless your giving out some use full information, we don't need every detail you probly made up, we are here for info and interest not a long drawn out tell all about your every second you were here. If you want get a publisher, go ahead. But please don't bore us to sleep.[/QUOTE]Could you go ahead and post the mandatory posting standards, so we can all conform to please you? Also a copy of the letter confirming your position as the chief content control officer would be helpful.
Some guys want more detailed reports. Some want the bare bones. Some want the full x-rated play by play. If a report is longer than you are able to read, skip it. If a report has details you don't care about, skip it. If you don't believe a report, skip it.
Are you sensing a theme here? Rather than complain everyone isn't doing things the way you want, just move along to the things that you can handle.
I'd rather read through a novel than a bunch of complaints that people are posting too much.
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Sarcasm
I was obviously joking and the report was very Interesting. I will add the new Facebook route to my repertoire and hopefully my reports it can be as long and interesting as his.
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To save Admin the trouble of moving it
I will say you're dependable.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2437155]And you're distinctly rambling before you're done. Still a fun read though.
The figures are likely inflated as was determined here in conversations back in the day when you failed to demonstrate any independent proofs. Regardless you rented a room from the girl, ran her camera for a year and left town with no money as you so confirmed. If there was any big money it certainly didn't trickle down in any shape or form.[/QUOTE]After all this time you still can't get it right. I'll get to that shortly.
What independent proof would you like? Shall I post her bank statements? Or just access her webcam account and screenshot her payout history? If you bothered to do a bit of research, you might be able to find info about one webcam site's big mistake. Myfreecams has a monthly contest for the top earners. There's a list on the site showing the current rankings. A few years ago (2016) someone messed up. Instead of just showing the model name and ranking, it also showed the current number of tokens. Number 250 on the list, in less than 15 days, had earned 122,594 tokens. Number 1 had earned 1,772,486 tokens. Tokens are redeemed at 20 per dollar. That comes out to about $6,150 for #250 and $88,600 for #1, now multiply by 2 to get an idea of monthly earnings.
[URL]https://juanbustos.com/secreto-top-mfc-revelado-por-error/[/URL]
If that's not sufficient for you, go into any popular webcam model's room and keep track of the tips. You won't see offline tips, you won't see things like purchase of content, onlyfans subscriptions or fan club subscriptions, but you'll get a basic idea.
The fantasy that it was "determined" to be inflated by someone with no idea about the industry is silly.
"Regardless, you rented a room. ".
I'm sure I explained the situation in great detail, more than once, 2 years ago. I did not rent a room from her. Both her and I lived in the apartment rent free. We paid utilities and I paid for the internet. I never "ran her camera. " If you knew anything about the subject, you would know that nobody runs the camera for most webcam models. I didn't work with her, other than helping with setup and tear down. None of that was required, but if I wasn't busy I was always happy to help. I didn't even work with her for a year. I was only in the apartment for 9 months. The last 3 months were spent in a different apartment.
I did leave town with no money. Actually, left town with about $2,000 of debt, plus another financial obligation of about $1500. Part of the debt was to my ex roommate. Within 5 months all debts were paid, leaving me completely debt free and with monthly expenses roughly 70% less than when I went to Colombia.
I understand what you're trying to do. I'm supposed to feel bad because 2 years ago I was flat broke. Doesn't work though. I thoroughly enjoyed my year in Medellin. I met great people, made some good friends and had some wonderful experiences. Then I came back home. Within 16 hours of landing, I was working full-time. Within 4 weeks, I was self-sufficient and putting money in the bank. Just over 3 months ago I went back to my old, pre-Medellin, job. My old boss tried for 18 months to get me back. Finally, the offer was too good to pass up. My current income is almost 50% more than when I quit to go to Medellin, and 80% more than I was making 4 months ago. I'm doing better than ever and am reasonably happy about it.
[QUOTE]This is an excellent point, is always a bad move to stereotype an entire nation or culture. When one does that they make themselves an easy target. Like the Colombians on our return flights to the states have visas and are often well educated and speak good English. No reason to bring the so called swimming in cash webcam girls into this as there's plenty of more reliable evidence at your fingertips.[/QUOTE]Did you simply forget that PL was complaining about girls making money online, completely unconnected with his "illiterate" comments? Seems a reasonable connection to webcam, whereas bringing up Colombians on international flights in response to a mention of "premium Snapchat" doesn't make much sense.
[QUOTE]No need for Freud on this one as it actually gets to the heart of the simple difference between those who monger and those who don't. Those who do can push such thoughts out of their mind, and those who don't, can't. Though the discrepancy is noted and he walked right into that one. [/QUOTE]Nothing to add.
[QUOTE]You sound angry, literally spitting here as you've finally had to respond to some valid points. As you've stated you set the price and tell them to come over. Maybe all you "want" is right down to business, everything with condom, and she beelines to the shower as soon as you pop. This may not happen every time or even most of the time, but it's going to happen a lot if you're inviting over a lot of girls you don't know. And yes, it's often seen as a sign of weakness when you fail to ask for what you want and hold the girl to the terms. That's just the name of that tune, no matter how lovable and successful a monger comes to think he is, or how badly he wants to act superior to those who wish to negotiate particulars. It's very laughable.[/QUOTE]You are the last person who should talk about people sounding angry. Do you recall your reaction to the Exito (I assumed it was Exito) incident? What about the great Venezuelan pizza debacle? And let's not forget the Scopolamine Scenario. Have you forgotten what I offered after you insulted and verbally attacked me over something I had nothing to do with? Remember? I offered to take a full day, completely at my expense, to get you away from the things that were obviously stressing you out? Have you forgotten who came looking for me on their next visit to Medellin? Don't you remember all of the PMs you sent me, along with my responses? Did I get angry? Was I verbally abusive? We both know the answers.
Not angry at all. Were my sentences incomplete? Was I straying off subject?
People who are worried about "showing weakness", in my experience, tend to be insecure over their own strength. They beat their chests, or their wives, to show they're strong. They refer to others with perjoratives, thinking it's a sign of strength. It isn't. Conversely, I have no need to pretend to superiority. What's my motto? "Your money, your dick, your business. " I don't need to act superior. Within the realm of being me, there is no one in the world who is better at it. Heck, if you can prove you're better at being me than I am, I've got $5,000 with your name on it.
I've repeatedly told guys, if something is critical to you, discuss it up front. I've also recommended adjusting your expectations. Learn how to get the most within the existing framework. Do you feel I'm superior because I tell people these things? Or am I superior because I don't consider any one item critical?
I don't know what it's like to have a girl beeline to the shower in a rush to leave. I can't recall a single instance of that happening in Medellin. I've stated many times that I don't get right down to business. I take my time. I'm in no hurry. It's just my experience, the girls seem to respond favorably.
Am I weak because I want a comfortable, relaxed passionate session, that doesn't follow some script? To me that's a strength. Let's look at the other option. Here's a short list: BBBJ, FIV, DATY, DFK, GFE MSOG.
Every one is a chance you're not going to be happy. She takes a look and says no to the DFK, which kills the GFE. You take your pants down and she wants to do CBJ. Now you have to argue to get your BBBJ and keep on her to keep her from quitting. Next, she pulls a half block to keep you from going too deep with the FIV. Either you argue some more, or accept going 1 knuckle in. Even if you get the MSOG, the session wasn't what you wanted. You've got 3 or 4 issues to be angry over.
My weak session? She shows up, we talk for a few. I let her put on some music. Maybe get her a drink. I offer to shower with her. It's fun. We dry each other off and she relaxes. There's some light kissing, some touching. No rush. I pay attention to her body language and reinforce what she seems to enjoy. I work my way down to DATY. If I've done everything right, she'll initiate DFK and then move right to BBBJ. Occasionally she'll ask if I want it without condom. I always say it doesn't matter, which usually ends up being BBBJ. Sex follows naturally. Afterwards there's no rush to leave, no run to the shower. We talk some more. After a time she might reach over and start raising my interest. Or she might drift off to sleep. Eventually, one of us will make a move to end the session. Back to the shower for more fun. There's seldom any problem because I have removed all the problem areas. Even if she doesn't give something, I've still had a decent session. Nothing to make me angry, just someone I don't want to repeat with.
[QUOTE]Good points about inflation though the figures remain unconfirmed or unsubstantiated. Wish a monger's word on the internet amounted to "confirmation," but sadly that isn't the case so I take it all with a grain of salt for the time being. So there were Facebook girls in 2005 and they were asking the same prices as now? Guess we are stuck with the word of mongers on that one. Some independent, official sources for the rise in living expenses would be nice, as "more than doubled" over 15 years sounds rather drastic. Maybe the whole thesis holds up but it needs a lot more support.[/QUOTE]As I recently wrote, in my opinion, the Facebook scene developed from the Mansion and spread from there. If you wish to tell ColombiaLover he's lying about what he says he paid, take it up with him. Then go back through the boards and see what Mansion girls were charging at the time. Afterwards, you can apologize to ColombiaLover.
As for inflation figures, have you forgotten about Google? You can easily bring up the annual inflation figures for any country then calculate the compound interest. You don't have to take anyone's word on it. While you're at it, pull up the Colombian minimum wage and see how much it has risen. If you just look at adding the annual inflation rate, since 2005 inflation rates total about 67%. Of course that doesn't take into effect the compounding effect. Let's say we start with $100 and inflation is 5% annually, how much will the $100 price go up in 5 years? $25! No. It will go up over $27. Over 10 years, instead of $150, it will be $162.89, 15 years yields $207.89 instead of $175. Now let's use Colombia's numbers:
Since 2005, compound effect of inflation on a $100 item $192.83.
Minimum wage 2005:381,500 COP.
2020:877,803 COP.
I was slightly off. Instead of more than doubled, nearly doubled. There's a possibility rents have outstripped inflation, but there's no available evidence to support it. Whether costs increased by 90% or 110%, an unchanged wage is still stagnant.
Ultimately, you appear to be saying we need to do away with the forum entirely. Everything that gets posted is just the word of a monger. We can't believe anything that's posted because it came from a monger. Even things which can be easily verified, from multiple independent sources can't be trusted because it was a monger that pointed it out.
[QUOTE]Carry on gentleman. You two have an interesting conversation going on. Stay safe everyone.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SJobs;2437506]Another major issue I have with Thailand is that the streets are full of ladyboys. [/QUOTE]LOL. And that means you have to fuck one of them? Parks are full of benches but that does not mean I have to go sit on one of them. I look at it like a mf in a costume, not like a vampire that is going to bite me and turn me into one of them. You go to Disneyworld and you see dudes dressed up like Goofy and Donald Duck and shit. You go over to wherever and you see dudes dressed up as ladies. Same thing to me. Trick or treat mf.
Besides, it is the same in Colombia. Everybody knows not to go to that one place where that church is or that street down from Yakuza because those are the transvestites. It is the same thing. They hang in particular places. They are not just next to normal women tricking you into choosing them. They are in their own little pockets.
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Thai lady boys don't even bother you besides saying Hello,
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437578]LOL. And that means you have to fuck one of them? Parks are full of benches but that does not mean I have to go sit on one of them. I look at it like a mf in a costume, not like a vampire that is going to bite me and turn me into one of them. You go to Disneyworld and you see dudes dressed up like Goofy and Donald Duck and shit. You go over to wherever and you see dudes dressed up as ladies. Same thing to me. Trick or treat mf.
Besides, it is the same in Colombia. Everybody knows not to go to that one place where that church is or that street down from Yakuza because those are the transvestites. It is the same thing. They hang in particular places. They are not just next to normal women tricking you into choosing them. They are in their own little pockets.[/QUOTE]They just don't know pattaya is so much fun. One guy was saying something about clubs and beer bars hustling you for drinks. It's a damn business they going to take your money if you let them. Just like a chica is going to ask for 400 mil when she knows realistically she's just gone getting 150 mil. Pattaya no Asian look the the same, variety galore. Everything close distance. Only guys who have not done there review go to beach Road. Hardly anybody go there looking for chicas. Clubs free of charge. Bar hopping all night long.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2437525]Clearly you could not have been reading my post. 2 beautiful 18 year olds, try 3 blood related sisters, same mother same father. I have banged all 3 of them and I still do to this day. Not to mention the combination of mother and daughters I have banged.
We are in the land where money rules and everything goes out of the window. You just require more dinero to get the same experience that I receive at a fraction of the price. If you ever meet me, you'll be surprised at how young I look, how young I am, how well respected I am in centro and how well I handle myself when I am in Centro. I don't even have to ask for a date in Centro I show up and most of them are begging me for dates, simply because I am extra nice and well known in parque Botero! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]OK, my bucket list has just expanded to include fucking two blood related sisters and their mother and their grandma together for three days straight. One question to you, what happen if I get the grandma, the mother and the two daughters pregnant at the same time? Should we call those self-proclaimed El Centro experts for advise on how to pimp out all 4 of them? It seems like there are ample demand for pregnant chicks in Medellin.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2437500]I don't know how many times I have posted that everybody rolls different on this board.
Lots of your thoughts, and ideas, are based on your experience and personal tastes.
I have found your posts quite entertaining, and have egged you on at times, such as upping your game on the threesomes and foursomes.
However, your way of mongering, or your assumption that perhaps your way of mongering is superior or better than others is just simply wrong.[/QUOTE]Sorry if my post made you feel inferior. It is not my intention at all. Actually, just for my own education, can you please point out which part of my post conveyed a sense of superiority. If you can show me where I hurt your feelings, I will avoid overstepping in the future.
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Tissues Please I've Been Sobbing
[QUOTE=SJobs;2437594]Sorry if my post made you feel inferior. It is not my intention at all. Actually, just for my own education, can you please point out which part of my post conveyed a sense of superiority. If you can show me where I hurt your feelings, I will avoid overstepping in the future.[/QUOTE]I'm in tears and have been crying profusely over this.
I am a total loser and inferior, an outcast, please forgive me.
I need to give up my ways as a low level bottom feeding scavenger trolling for zombies!
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437578] Besides, it is the same in Colombia. Everybody knows not to go to that one place where that church is or that street down from Yakuza because those are the transvestites. It is the same thing. They hang in particular places. They are not just next to normal women tricking you into choosing them. They are in their own little pockets.[/QUOTE]Mr. E you sound like a She-male aficionado knowing where to find them, are you coming out of the closet?
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Switch Hitters Right Handed Or Left Handed
[QUOTE=SJobs;2437582]One major difference is that in Medellin I can easily find girls hotter than the ladyboys. But in Thailand, the absolutely hottest looking person is always a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]Your post as written might imply that you are a switch hitter, meaning regardless of whether it's a man or a woman, you would go with whatever looks the hottest.
But I know that was not what you meant.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2437682]Your post as written might imply that you are a switch hitter, meaning regardless of whether it's a man or a woman, you would go with whatever looks the hottest.
But I know that was not what you meant.[/QUOTE]Imagine the disappointment and sorrow I felt when I found out the hottest thing on the street is a guy. Man, it's like punching Darwin in the face. In Medellin, things are different, even a brainless dumb fuck like me can tell that the people stand in the path that connects plaza botero to Calle 52, along the side of the church, are ladyboys; the girls in gusto are infinitely hotter than them, nature is well balanced in Medellin.
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But in Thailand, the absolutely hottest looking person is always a ladyboy.[/QUOTE]Wait what? If that's true, it must be due to facial plastic surgery rather than make-up?
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2437682]Your post as written might imply that you are a switch hitter, meaning regardless of whether it's a man or a woman, you would go with whatever looks the hottest.
But I know that was not what you meant.[/QUOTE]I used to work with this flaming gay guy and we would tell him he was prettier than the waitresses. We were all 100 percent hetero. It's more of a joke that they go so much out of their way to look good. I still think in person I would be able to tell a ladyboy in Thailand. On you tube it's a little tougher.
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2437928]Wait what? If that's true, it must be due to facial plastic surgery rather than make-up?[/QUOTE]Nah. It just depends on whether you like your chicks looking like dudes with makeup on or not.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2437681]Mr. E you sound like a She-male aficionado knowing where to find them, are you coming out of the closet?[/QUOTE]LOL. Nah. More like I just know where to stay away from.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2437935]Nah. It just depends on whether you like your chicks looking like dudes with makeup on or not.[/QUOTE]Tata Zaa is very convincing!
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For the Aficionados
[QUOTE=SJobs;2437890]Imagine the disappointment and sorrow I felt when I found out the hottest thing on the street is a guy. Man, it's like punching Darwin in the face. In Medellin, things are different, even a brainless dumb fuck like me can tell that the people stand in the path that connects plaza botero to Calle 52, along the side of the church, are ladyboys; the girls in gusto are infinitely hotter than them, nature is well balanced in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Yep, the Colombian She-Males are such an abortion compared to their Thailand counterparts. For your information, and I know this is important to you, the Colombian She-male headquarters is located exactly at the corner of the Veracruz Church and the glass covered pedestrian walkway, not at Calle 52. This is where all directives and commands of the Colombian She-male community take place for this part of town. There are also other similar venues around town as well.
The others you see walking around at the Intersection of Calle 52 and Carrea 52, this is where you will find the "imported 'Venezuelan She-males. They stay away from the Colombian She-males to avoid a turf war. And a warning about the Colombian She-Males, they are very bad dudes, carry knives, and you should keep your distance. The last thing you want to do is it cornered by them, once they sodomize you, they will carve you up and leave you to rot. Stick to Gustos, all you can do is get hosed for money there.
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Undercover Switch Hitter
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2437682]Your post as written might imply that you are a switch hitter, meaning regardless of whether it's a man or a woman, you would go with whatever looks the hottest.
But I know that was not what you meant.[/QUOTE]I wonder if someone on this board is a switch hitter and embarrassed to admit it. Truth be told I have seen a few that I'd probably hit. So I guess that makes me a switch hitter that hasn't pulled the trigger yet. That is the key word right there, YET. When it happens I'll post the report if anyone is interested. Don't knock it until you try it folks.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438702]I wonder if someone on this board is a switch hitter and embarrassed to admit it. Truth be told I have seen a few that I'd probably hit. So I guess that makes me a switch hitter that hasn't pulled the trigger yet. That is the key word right there, YET. When it happens I'll post the report if anyone is interested. Don't knock it until you try it folks.[/QUOTE]A switch hitter in the sense that you went up to the plate, and struck out. So if you didn't get a hit and get on base you don't qualify as switch hitter, YET.
And if I were to be "switch hitter, it sure wouldn't be in Colombia. It would be Thailand for sure as they it have it down to a science and I have heard stories where guys don't even know. God forbid, maybe I went with one last time I was there and didn't even know it. I guess I am a switch hitter now.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438702]I wonder if someone on this board is a switch hitter and embarrassed to admit it. Truth be told I have seen a few that I'd probably hit. So I guess that makes me a switch hitter that hasn't pulled the trigger yet. That is the key word right there, YET. When it happens I'll post the report if anyone is interested. Don't knock it until you try it folks.[/QUOTE]A beautiful thing is a beautiful thing. I don't judge people's choice and taste. I mentally and physically can't handle the thought that she / he use to be a man, and once had a cock. I think there is nothing to be ashamed of if a person is into transsexuals, it's a personal choice, who are we to judge.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438702]I wonder if someone on this board is a switch hitter and embarrassed to admit it. Truth be told I have seen a few that I'd probably hit. So I guess that makes me a switch hitter that hasn't pulled the trigger yet. That is the key word right there, YET. When it happens I'll post the report if anyone is interested. Don't knock it until you try it folks.[/QUOTE]LOL. Plenty of people have admitted it. I will decline your offer though. I do not have any desire to fuck any dudes with makeup and long hair. But if that is your thing then have at it and we can still have a drink together afterwards. On this board it is against the rules to post stories as such. You can only post info that will help others identify and avoid them.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438702] Don't knock it until you try it folks.[/QUOTE]Why try it in Colombia when the women are so amazing?! Not to mention the knives that are apparently carried.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438702]I wonder if someone on this board is a switch hitter and embarrassed to admit it. Truth be told I have seen a few that I'd probably hit. So I guess that makes me a switch hitter that hasn't pulled the trigger yet. That is the key word right there, YET. When it happens I'll post the report if anyone is interested. Don't knock it until you try it folks.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to try it. If there's a dick down there, there's no vagina. If there's no vagina I have no interest. I have no interest in anal, especially not as the catcher, and I'm not satisfied with just a blowjob. I'm also not willing to learn how to give a blowjob, especially if I have to pay for the lesson.
I do remember seeing a guy come in a bar in Medellin, a gringo I'd met briefly. He had a super hot girl with him and an obviously gay guy. I didn't think anything of it until I saw him making out with the guy. I guess some people prefer the other threesome combination.
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2438817]Why try it in Colombia when the women are so amazing?! Not to mention the knives that are apparently carried.[/QUOTE]The She-Males are for those that like the back door and apparently they have quite a following or wouldn't be out there plying their trade. And yes they carry knives, and stay clear of them as they can be very aggressive. A friend of mine a few years back got confronted by three of them as they were baiting him to go with one of them, and when he refused they took his glasses and smashed the.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438759]LOL. Plenty of people have admitted it. I will decline your offer though. I do not have any desire to fuck any dudes with makeup and long hair. But if that is your thing then have at it and we can still have a drink together afterwards. On this board it is against the rules to post stories as such. You can only post info that will help others identify and avoid them.[/QUOTE]LOL fair enough. I remember one time a buddy of mine had a "Filipina chick" that already had the surgery. I saw her myself and man she had all of us fooled. Pretty face and shaped like a woman. He said her insides felt differently obviously due to the anatomical differences. He enjoyed himself but was a little disappointed when he found out later on she used to be a dude. He handled it well. Some dudes would have totally lost it and probably would have went after the girl. I say if it makes you feel good then fuck it LOL.
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Tight As A Drum Or Like A Big Barn
[QUOTE=Uthred;2438853]LOL fair enough. I remember one time a buddy of mine had a "Filipina chick" that already had the surgery. I saw her myself and man she had all of us fooled. Pretty face and shaped like a woman. He said her insides felt differently obviously due to the anatomical differences. He enjoyed himself but was a little disappointed when he found out later on she used to be a dude. He handled it well. Some dudes would have totally lost it and probably would have went after the girl. I say if it makes you feel good then fuck it LOL.[/QUOTE]Her insides felt different. Hum what does that mean, tight like a drum, or this "thing" opened up like a house when he penetrated it, with his pecker banging against the sides with no friction. What a topic of discussion.
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[QUOTE=Uthred;2438853]I remember one time a buddy of mine had a "Filipina chick" that already had the surgery. I saw her myself and man she had all of us fooled. Pretty face and shaped like a woman. He said her insides felt differently obviously due to the anatomical differences.[/QUOTE]Obviously he did not look before he lept. Neither did he feel for wetness. I just don't get it. But wait a minute. If he knew the inside felt different he had to know it was not a real pussy. Jezus Khrist.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438909]Obviously he did not look before he lept. Neither did he feel for wetness. I just don't get it. But wait a minute. If he knew the inside felt different he had to know it was not a real pussy. Jezus Khrist.[/QUOTE]Hell he should of just bought a warm cantaloupe, hollowed out a slit in it, and banged the melon, at least it would of been warm and wet. This whole thought of banging an imitation pussy takes us to new heights here.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2438909]Obviously he did not look before he lept. Neither did he feel for wetness. I just don't get it. But wait a minute. If he knew the inside felt different he had to know it was not a real pussy. Jezus Khrist.[/QUOTE]He could have known all along and maybe went with it? Fuck man who knows what really happened that night. I only know what he told me. Drunken sailors always get into some shit especially us guys that were stationed in Japan. The days of Thailand and Singapore were some of the best times of my life.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2438918]Hell he should of just bought a warm cantaloupe, hollowed out a slit in it, and banged the melon, at least it would of been warm and wet. This whole thought of banging an imitation pussy takes us to new heights here.[/QUOTE]I could not stop fuckin laughin out loud at this! I still keep in touch with the guy but never bring it up. I don't think its something he'd want to talk about. Personally I would not care. I have learned to welcome all kinds of fetishes at my age. Except for the BDSM shit.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2454389]If she's going to watch, you're going to have to give her some attention. Trust me on this one. If you forget she exists while you're fucking another girl, the next day is going to suck. Give her a vibrator, tell her you want to watch her while she's watching you. Take some breaks to make out with her. Make lots of eye contact. Tell her how much you enjoy watching her. And then fuck her like it's the first time.[/QUOTE]Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.
[QUOTE=Blakman;2454433]She cooked for me today. She's trying to get me to wash the dishes.[/QUOTE]See. That is where the shit starts. You wash those dishes and I guarantee that next thing is she will be using all 7 of those vibrators ON YOU!
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2454479]Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.
See. That is where the shit starts. You wash those dishes and I guarantee that next thing is she will be using all 7 of those vibrators ON YOU![/QUOTE]Usually you give good advice. Maybe tomorrow you'll get back on track.
"Pure simp talk" is you saying there's only one way to enjoy a woman and that's your way. That's you saying everyone else in the world is doing it wrong, which makes it very confusing. Which of the 8-10 different ways you've written about is the right one? Does it depend on the day of the week, or the phase of the moon? Is calculus required, or do you have a hotline we can call?
I'm going under the assumption that Blakman wants to enjoy his week. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he wants to spend 2 days with a woman who tries to ruin every moment. Maybe regret is what he's looking for. I kinda thought he wanted to fuck.
Here's what will happen if he follows your advice:
1. She'll refuse. If he presses her, difficult with limited Spanish, it'll upset the other girl. Now he's stuck with 2 women he's paying for sex and neither one wants to have sex.
2. His 8 will go downstairs. The other girl may follow. If she doesn't, within 3 minutes the noise will start. Might be loud music or TV, might be her talking loudly on the phone, or might be her slamming things in the kitchen. This will almost certainly convince the other girl it's time to go.
2 a. If the other girl goes downstairs too, there's a slim chance everything will calm down and he'll be allowed to fuck the one girl while his 8 watches and pouts. There's also a slim chance it will end in a fight.
3. If nobody goes down to check on her, the 8 will come up and make a big show of packing her suitcase. Party is over. She'll probably agree to stay, but he'll need to kiss her ass every minute.
3 a. If other girl can't calm her down, other girl will leave and the 8 will continue to be a ***** until he kicks her out, or until he begs and pleads enough for her to stay. He still isn't getting anywhere near her pussy, but she'll at least be quieter.
That's how it works. Pretty much every time. I've experienced it and I've seen many of my swinger friends experience it.
On the other hand, if you include her, within her comfort zone, if you make sure she's not feeling left out, if she has any bisexual feelings, she'll likely be open to at least partial participation. I've experienced that one too, and seen it too many times to count in several swingers clubs and swinger parties.
Whichever scenario he prefers.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2454532]Usually you give good advice. Maybe tomorrow you'll get back on track.
"Pure simp talk" is you saying there's only one way to enjoy a woman and that's your way. That's you saying everyone else in the world is doing it wrong, which makes it very confusing. Which of the 8-10 different ways you've written about is the right one? Does it depend on the day of the week, or the phase of the moon? Is calculus required, or do you have a hotline we can call?
[/QUOTE]It is tailored. There is no one size fits all. That is why there are 8-10 ways, because they fit 8-10 chicks in 8-10 situations.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2454532]Usually you give good advice. Maybe tomorrow you'll get back on track.
"Pure simp talk" is you saying there's only one way to enjoy a woman and that's your way. That's you saying everyone else in the world is doing it wrong, which makes it very confusing. Which of the 8-10 different ways you've written about is the right one? Does it depend on the day of the week, or the phase of the moon? Is calculus required, or do you have a hotline we can call?
I'm going under the assumption that Blakman wants to enjoy his week. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he wants to spend 2 days with a woman who tries to ruin every moment. Maybe regret is what he's looking for. I kinda thought he wanted to fuck.
.[/QUOTE]Haha, very true.
Sometimes talkin smack is just that, talkin smack, and it reality it doesn't work.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2454479]Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.
See. That is where the shit starts. You wash those dishes and I guarantee that next thing is she will be using all 7 of those vibrators ON YOU![/QUOTE]And this happens on all levels. Will never forget a hen pecked old guy back in New Orleans, was a landlord of mine in the early 90's, he said speaking of his wife "son once you let it get started it never stops." lolol Well the lesson is sure, man up and don't let it get started. Don't be like the guys that grab their ankles and hope it doesn't hurt too bad, under the guise of "go with the flow" or some Bush league relativism, IE. "If he likes taking up up the ass let him take it up the ass," well whatever. Lolol.
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Why does the Medellin Thread sound like one big Novela (Soap Opera) on Drama TV?
It's ridiculous and some of you tune in everyday for the next episode.
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Improve it with better content.
[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455442]It's ridiculous and some of you tune in everyday for the next episode.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455442]It's ridiculous and some of you tune in everyday for the next episode.[/QUOTE]Apparently you tune in every day too. So why are you crying about it?
And why does it matter to you? Is someone in Medellin using your dick to fuck in ways you don't approve of? Is someone in Medellin using your money to pay girls in ways you don't approve of?
Every time I see "Simp" or "stop the simping" I see a scared little boy who's constantly afraid everyone will recognize how weak he really is.
If the way other men fuck bothers you, you're spending way too much time thinking about other men fucking.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2455495]Apparently you tune in every day too. So why are you crying about it?
And why does it matter to you? Is someone in Medellin using your dick to fuck in ways you don't approve of? Is someone in Medellin using your money to pay girls in ways you don't approve of?
Every time I see "Simp" or "stop the simping" I see a scared little boy who's constantly afraid everyone will recognize how weak he really is.
If the way other men fuck bothers you, you're spending way too much time thinking about other men fucking.[/QUOTE]I don't give a flip who is fucking who and can care less if you wipe your ass with your money. It is very apparent that you don't even have a clue about what I'm talking about. Stuck your foot in your mouth again I see. Maybe you should keep it there for awhile. Ijs.
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2455483]Improve it with better content.[/QUOTE]Now that's a good idea but in the meantime we are stuck with this channel. I have to admit that some of it is quite entertaining with some useful information sprinkled here and there. I'm taking the good with the bad Mr. Knowledge.
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[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455682]I don't give a flip who is fucking who and can care less if you wipe your ass with your money. It is very apparent that you don't even have a clue about what I'm talking about. Stuck your foot in your mouth again I see. Maybe you should keep it there for awhile. Ijs.[/QUOTE]You say it, but you're just lying to yourself and everyone else. If you "don't give a flip who is fucking who" you wouldn't have bothered posting, whining about the way people are fucking.
When people don't care at all about something, they aren't inclined to write about it. Since you came here with tears in your eyes over the few guys who are currently fucking and posting in Medellin, you care. They apparently aren't doing it the way you want them to do it.
I understand completely what you're talking about. I just think it's laughable.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2455777]You say it, but you're just lying to yourself and everyone else. If you "don't give a flip who is fucking who" you wouldn't have bothered posting, whining about the way people are fucking.
When people don't care at all about something, they aren't inclined to write about it. Since you came here with tears in your eyes over the few guys who are currently fucking and posting in Medellin, you care. They apparently aren't doing it the way you want them to do it.
I understand completely what you're talking about. I just think it's laughable.[/QUOTE]So you interpret me saying that Medellin thread is like a novela as me whining about who is fucking who and what people do with their money?
Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit. He got all that from the very few words I posted that had nothing to do what this blabbermouth is talking about.
I won't waste my time on your worthlessness anymore but before I go I will say this again so you can hear me, "The Medellin thread is like a Novela". You got that?
Apparently you're starring in your own drama show right here on this thread. It's your show. Good day Sir!
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[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455936]So you interpret me saying that Medellin thread is like a novela as me whining about who is fucking who and what people do with their money?
Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit. He got all that from the very few words I posted that had nothing to do what this blabbermouth is talking about.
I won't waste my time on your worthlessness anymore but before I go I will say this again so you can hear me, "The Medellin thread is like a Novela". You got that?
Apparently you're starring in your own drama show right here on this thread. It's your show. Good day Sir![/QUOTE]Did you forget how to read? I do offer tutoring sessions, but my rates are based on how clueless the student is. That moves me way out of your price range. Maybe someone can go back and read it for you.
My complaint was about your "Stop simping" picture. I thought I was quite clear on that, but that reading problem seems to have tripped you up. I'll explain it again, and hopefully whoever reads it to you will help with the difficult parts.
It's a novela every day in every thread where there's any activity. Every person, with every report, introduces a bit of fantasy. Even when they try to keep to the facts, they insert only their perspective and make assumptions about anyone else involved. "She's always very excited when I come to town" suggests the girl is looking forward to the sex rather than the money. "She came 6 times" doesn't admit the possibility that 1 or all were faked. Fantasy.
To waste time complaining that a thread is a novela makes as much sense as complaining that cheese is a dairy product.
However, "stop simping" is another story. That's a declaration someone else is fucking in the wrong way. It's a statement that you are the authority on fucking hookers that everyone needs to consult. It's rather pathetic, whiny bullshit.
But it's much more than that. It's fear. It's the fear that you're not enough of a man. It's a deep-rooted belief that women can see right through you and see the scared little boy inside. You accentuate this when you call for moral support. "Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit" is a sign of fear, weakness. I feel no need to call for backup, or to run and hide from the truth. I happily stand or fall on my own.
So you feel the need to flex. Which is fine. As I've said dozens of times, Your dick, your money, your business. How you deal with the women is all up to you. Afterwards you can write your own novelas. Remember to add 3 inches.
If the guys who are riding out the quarantine in Medellin are paying girls $500 a day to dress them up like a baby and change their diapers, that's their business. If it makes them happy, go for it, just don't post the pictures. If a guy is talking 250 k for 1 hour girls down to 140 k for 17 hours, that's his business. If a guy is paying the fat and 40 woman next door 100 k for a blowjob, while her 18 year old daughter is giving him a pedicure, that's his business. No matter what any of them are doing, it's completely their business.
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[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455936]So you interpret me saying that Medellin thread is like a novela as me whining about who is fucking who and what people do with their money?
Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit. He got all that from the very few words I posted that had nothing to do what this blabbermouth is talking about.
I won't waste my time on your worthlessness anymore but before I go I will say this again so you can hear me, "The Medellin thread is like a Novela". You got that?
Apparently you're starring in your own drama show right here on this thread. It's your show. Good day Sir![/QUOTE]Well really though, there's really not much going on, anywhere, so the drama is kinda fun and funny at times.
And I normally hate soap operas! LOL.
I just scan the posts and laugh out loud sometimes, shake my head, etc, whatever.
Or I just skip over them, which is the beauty of the site!
Sure beats posts about ATM fees, etc.
JB really has posted some invaluable insights into Medellin.
The block function works well too, for guys you may deem unworthy, LOL.
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2455442]It's ridiculous and some of you tune in everyday for the next episode.[/QUOTE]I'll admit it.
I had to look up what that meant, LOL.
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2456077]I'll admit it.
I had to look up what that meant, LOL.[/QUOTE]It's the battle cry of INCEL, Involuntarily Celibate, the whining twats who keep going on shooting sprees because they can't figure out how to get laid. They alternate between blaming their inability to find someone to have sex with on women who don't understand they're supposed to submit to any spineless twit who stares at them while rubbing his crotch, and on men who refuse to treat women like shit.
So they came up with "Stop simping. " They figure they only have 2 options to get laid. They can either crawl up a chicken's ass and wait, or get all men to be as pathetic as they are.
I'm just curious how they infiltrated the mongering world. If you've figured out how to pay for sex, you've figured out how to end the "involuntary celibacy. " It's become a simple business transaction.
Personally, I prefer something more than purely transactional encounters. It's amazing to watch a cynical puta melt into a giddy schoolgirl with just a few simple compliments. It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456009]Did you forget how to read? I do offer tutoring sessions, but my rates are based on how clueless the student is. That moves me way out of your price range. Maybe someone can go back and read it for you.
My complaint was about your "Stop simping" picture. I thought I was quite clear on that, but that reading problem seems to have tripped you up. I'll explain it again, and hopefully whoever reads it to you will help with the difficult parts.
It's a novela every day in every thread where there's any activity. Every person, with every report, introduces a bit of fantasy. Even when they try to keep to the facts, they insert only their perspective and make assumptions about anyone else involved. "She's always very excited when I come to town" suggests the girl is looking forward to the sex rather than the money. "She came 6 times" doesn't admit the possibility that 1 or all were faked. Fantasy.
To waste time complaining that a thread is a novela makes as much sense as complaining that cheese is a dairy product.
However, "stop simping" is another story. That's a declaration someone else is fucking in the wrong way. It's a statement that you are the authority on fucking hookers that everyone needs to consult. It's rather pathetic, whiny bullshit.[/QUOTE]You took this whole thing out of context. All I did is write less than a paragraph and you basically attacked me. My definition of Simping is not yours and frankly I don't know where you even come up with this stuff so your whole argument is invalid and worthless. That is the reason we are having this stupid conversation. You went on the attack over a simple paragraph and picture that you misinterpreted and continued even after I explained that is not what I meant. So you see, you were the problem in this issue, not me. This is a waste of time over some BS man. So please leave me alone and move on to something else.
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2456076]Sure beats posts about ATM fees, etc..[/QUOTE]I think you are on to something with that one!
[QUOTE=Balboa;2456077]I'll admit it. I had to look up what that meant, LOL.[/QUOTE]Now you see what I meant. If not, I meant you are paying your money; do not let the chick that you are paying it to control the shots. (Unless you are paying your money to have her control the shots.) It is your way or the highway. You don't walk into McDonalds and slap your money on the counter for a number 3, and walk out happy when they put a number 5 in the bag or when they tell you to come behind the counter and make it yourself. No need to cater to women (be a simp) when you are already paying them. You are supposed to be the one being catered to.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2456197]I think you are on to something with that one!
Now you see what I meant. If not, I meant you are paying your money; do not let the chick that you are paying it to control the shots. (Unless you are paying your money to have her control the shots.) It is your way or the highway. You don't walk into McDonalds and slap your money on the counter for a number 3, and walk out happy when they put a number 5 in the bag or when they tell you to come behind the counter and make it yourself. No need to cater to women (be a simp) when you are already paying them. You are supposed to be the one being catered to.[/QUOTE]You're mixing 2 separate issues Mr. E.
The one you're talking about is obvious. What you are paying for is what you should be getting. If I've called up a 5'3" 90# blond and a 160# linebacker shows up, she's not getting in the door, or getting paid. If I tell her 3 hours and she wants to go after 45 minutes, it's not happening. All good and normal stuff.
But Simping, as Balboa has shown is completely different. If you tell a woman she's beautiful, that's considered being a simp. If you ask her how she feels, or what she likes, you're being a simp. If you treat her like anything other than, as we used to say, "a life support system for a pussy", you're being a simp. According to the people who routinely use "stop the simping", if you're not treating women like shit you're a simp.
I will always disagree with that belief. I will always speak out against that belief. If that's how someone wants to go through life, that's their business and their problem. If someone wants to tell anyone else they need to adopt that behavior, they can fuck off and die.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456134] It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."[/QUOTE]The latter quotation is typically plan A, and if it fails, the former is plan b. But don't let me fuck with your "fantasies," just isn't kind in a monger forum.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456316]But Simping, as Balboa has shown is completely different. If you tell a woman she's beautiful, that's considered being a simp. If you ask her how she feels, or what she likes, you're being a simp. If you treat her like anything other than, as we used to say, "a life support system for a pussy", you're being a simp. According to the people who routinely use "stop the simping", if you're not treating women like shit you're a simp.[/QUOTE]Seems like you are confusing it. You can ask them anything. That does not mean you are simping. And nobody is saying to treat anyone like shit. The simping comes in when you are catering to them.
As you were saying in Blakman's 3 some example do this and that so SHE does not feel such and such and so she feels this instead. Make sure SHE is happy. That is simping. Now if it was a regular woman then I am in agreement; you would probably do all of that. You want it to be mutually beneficial. But when you are paying your money, you should be the star of the show. You are not paying her so that you can treat her like Queen Elizabeth. You are paying so that you will be served. When I go into a restaurant to be served and I want steak then I am going to get steak. I am not going to put any consideration on whether the waiter likes to eat chicken or fish over steak.
Several times hookers have come over and said I don't like to do this or that. I tell them they are in the wrong business then; you should have told me that before you came and you never would have been invited. I am the customer. I am paying you. You are not paying me.
Now if I say well okay, how would you like to fuck after she has shitted all over how I wanted to do it, then that is simping. But if I am tired of fucking the way that I like to and now want to take suggestions from her on how we can fuck, that would not be simping.
P. S. When I was in college we were running a train on this Spelman freak chick. There were like 15 guys in line. This chick was engaged to some guy in the Army but she just could not get enough dick. So it comes one of my roommates' turn and he goes in and does some simp shit telling her how she should not be doing this and she should think better of herself. What the fuck dude? Free pussy comes to a screeching halt. But now he turns it into some pimp shit for himself, because from then on she would not fuck any other guy unless he gave her the okay. So now when she comes over to see him, we have to kiss his ass if we want to have any hope of fucking her that day. That bastard is a colonel in the US Air Force now and we all still talk about that simp shit whenever we get together. Don't know whatever happened to her.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2456400]Seems like you are confusing it. You can ask them anything. That does not mean you are simping. And nobody is saying to treat anyone like shit. The simping comes in when you are catering to them.
As you were saying in Blakman's 3 some example do this and that so SHE does not feel such and such and so she feels this instead. Make sure SHE is happy. That is simping. Now if it was a regular woman then I am in agreement; you would probably do all of that. You want it to be mutually beneficial. But when you are paying your money, you should be the star of the show. You are not paying her so that you can treat her like Queen Elizabeth. You are paying so that you will be served. When I go into a restaurant to be served and I want steak then I am going to get steak. I am not going to put any consideration on whether the waiter likes to eat chicken or fish over steak.
Several times hookers have come over and said I don't like to do this or that. I tell them they are in the wrong business then; you should have told me that before you came and you never would have been invited. I am the customer. I am paying you. You are not paying me.
Now if I say well okay, how would you like to fuck after she has shitted all over how I wanted to do it, then that is simping. But if I am tired of fucking the way that I like to and now want to take suggestions from her on how we can fuck, that would not be simping..[/QUOTE]Actually there have been a few here, in the not too distant past, who have said that everyone needs to treat the women like shit and specifically used the "Stop Simping" tag. How you used that tag, which you probably didn't use 30 years ago, is not how it is used today.
Your example, if the guy didn't want to pull train, he shouldn't have been in line. But, to his credit, he turned a profit on the deal. He got the girl doing what he wanted and had you and a bunch of other guys licking his hand to get his handouts. So who was really the simp?
Here's a concept you should understand. If you are in any type of relationship, and I'll elaborate on that, it's in your best interest to keep the relationship on good terms, until it's time to end it.
Any type of relationship. If there's a restaurant you regularly go to, do you insult the hostess and complain to the waitress over nothing? Or do you smile, greet them and enjoy your meals? I've got a favorite little diner. When I walk in, the host shakes my hand, the manager and my favorite waitress both come over and give me a hug. I never have reason to complain about the food, because the waitress won't bring it to my table unless it's right.
Am I a simp because I smile and chat with those people? I'm paying them for food, not conversation. Should I just shut up unless I've got something to complain about? Maybe that makes a better meal for you, but I prefer having a hot Mexican MILF, or her hotter 20 year old daughter, chatting and joking with me, than have someone frowning at me every time I come in.
Now back to Blakman and his 8. He had agreed to keep her there for an extended stay, at a very low price. He got her to tentatively agree to watch him fuck other girls. Even though he was paying her, he was in a relationship with her. He had agreed to have her there for 7 days. It doesn't matter if he was paying her 300 k or $3,000. What mattered, it was for 7 days. Are you still following along?
There are several different options in his situation. He could just go with the drill sergeant routine. When he says jump, she better jump. From his earlier reports, that clearly wasn't going to work, which would have left him either booting her, or leaving her in control.
Another choice would be to forgo any other girls, but that's not what he wanted. That once again puts her on control.
To get what he wanted, which he didn't get, required addressing her desires along with his own. He could have tried your suggestion and it would have failed. Not only would it have failed, it would have left him with the decision to either deal with a pissed off chica, or to boot a pissed off chica. It also would have probably screwed up his session with the other girl.
So, in your mind it's better for him to pay two girls, and not get what he wants from either of them (or not pay them because he's not getting what he wants) than it is to treat one girl nice and get what he wants from both girls?
Call me a simp. Given the choice between arguing with 2 girls and fucking 2 girls, hand me the condoms.
You're tried to tell him what to do without using the information he gave, information which made your suggestion unworkable.
1. His Spanish is weak. Trying to Google translate "get over here and rub my back" while fucking isn't going to work out, especially if the girl you want to rub your back is already in a bad mood.
2. The girl gave him pushback at every turn. She wasn't a meek little "si papi" kind of girl. Giving orders to a pissed off chica, who already doesn't take orders isn't the way to get what you want.
As I've said before, I don't care for transactional sex. I don't want to have a notarized list of the things agreed upon. I don't want to spend half my time arguing whether or not what she did meets the requirements of what I asked for. I don't want to constantly put myself in situations where I have to argue to get what I want.
I want honeymoon sex. I want a girl who can't get enough of me. I want a girl who spontaneously does what I want. I want to be able to go from mish to cowgirl to standing without a discussion over whether or not she likes each position. I want a BBBJ without a discussion.
All of the things I want, I usually get. I don't have to pay extra, I don't have to remind the girl of any agreement and I don't have to tell the girl she picked the wrong profession. All I have to do is smile, drop a few compliments and make sure she's getting as much out of the sex as I am.
Your way works for you, or more accurately, your ways work for you, which ranges between pure alpha male and 50% simp, based on your reports. Everyone else's ways work for them. My way works for me. The way that you decide anyone else should use on any particular day isn't likely to work. You don't know them, you don't know the girl, so how do you know how they should handle each situation? Even when they provide you with the information, you don't use it, yet somehow your way is the right way?
Why is the concept of letting everyone do their own thing so hard for you to grasp?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456444]Here's a concept you should understand. If you are in any type of relationship, and I'll elaborate on that, it's in your best interest to keep the relationship on good terms, until it's time to end it.
Any type of relationship. If there's a restaurant you regularly go to, do you insult the hostess and complain to the waitress over nothing? Or do you smile, greet them and enjoy your meals? I've got a favorite little diner. When I walk in, the host shakes my hand, the manager and my favorite waitress both come over and give me a hug. I never have reason to complain about the food, because the waitress won't bring it to my table unless it's right.[/QUOTE]Once again, I never said anything about treating anyone shitty or insulting anyone. So I do not understand why you keep bringing up treating people bad. And I keep relationships on good terms even after they have ended, not just until it is time to end as you have advised. I have an ex-wife, but you do not see me talking bad about her the way many on ISG do. I had a great wife and it was my decision to break up ON GOOD TERMS. I never have broken up with anyone on bad terms.
And any hooker that I have fucked anywhere or ex-girlfriend I can run into them in the middle of the street while I am with another chick and properly greet them and introduce the two people, while most are busy trying to duck and dodge. As a matter of fact, today I took my Russian chick to the beauty supply store. I stayed outside looking at shows on my tablet while she was in getting what she had to get. A Thai chick that I used to mess with that works at a salon rolled up. She asked me what I was doing there and I told her. We talked for a few minutes and when my Russian chick came out I introduced them. So I do not know why you are stating there is some concept that I should understand.
I never said anything about making bad terms in a person's relationship. Almost everyday when I am out riding my bicycle I see an ex-girlfriend out walking exercising with her friends. I always have a quick talk with her. And if she sees me, but I do not see her, then she sends me a message saying that she saw me and I ask well why didn't you say anything to me. There is no bad blood here with anyone sir. I am a great fucking guy and women know this!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456444]Why is the concept of letting everyone do their own thing so hard for you to grasp?[/QUOTE]What?! How the fuck can I make someone do something? [B]You said what you thought he should do the same way I said what I thought he should do.[/B] So how is it that you have the concept of letting everyone do their own thing but you are saying I do not? Either we both do or we both don't seeing as we did the same thing which was give advice. We did the same thing, but we did not do the same thing. You are blowing my mind with that Mister Spacely Jedi shit.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2456522]Once again, I never said anything about treating anyone shitty or insulting anyone. So I do not understand why you keep bringing up treating people bad. And I keep relationships on good terms even after they have ended, not just until it is time to end as you have advised. I have an ex-wife, but you do not see me talking bad about her the way many on ISG do. I had a great wife and it was my decision to break up ON GOOD TERMS. I never have broken up with anyone on bad terms.
And any hooker that I have fucked anywhere or ex-girlfriend I can run into them in the middle of the street while I am with another chick and properly greet them and introduce the two people, while most are busy trying to duck and dodge. As a matter of fact, today I took my Russian chick to the beauty supply store. I stayed outside looking at shows on my tablet while she was in getting what she had to get. A Thai chick that I used to mess with that works at a salon rolled up. She asked me what I was doing there and I told her. We talked for a few minutes and when my Russian chick came out I introduced them. So I do not know why you are stating there is some concept that I should understand.
I never said anything about making bad terms in a person's relationship. Almost everyday when I am out riding my bicycle I see an ex-girlfriend out walking exercising with her friends. I always have a quick talk with her. And if she sees me, but I do not see her, then she sends me a message saying that she saw me and I ask well why didn't you say anything to me. There is no bad blood here with anyone sir. I am a great fucking guy and women know this!.[/QUOTE]The entire issue revolves around (and I think this is the fourth time I've stated this) "Simp. " Can you focus on that for a second?
Current popular usage of "Simp" as (I repeat again) Balboa showed, is that if you treat women nicely you are being a "Simp. " Just 3 or 4 months ago we had a guy here, in the Medellin thread, using that line and every reference to women was "bitches" or worse. Every post was complaining about guys not treating women like shit.
If you Google INCEL, "Involuntarily Celibate" you will find loads of this garbage. The reason they can't get laid is because guys like you and I and most of the guys on here, treat women nicely. At least that's their reasoning. We're all "simps" and ruining their non-existent sex life because we've convinced women they don't have to put up with being treated like shit.
That's "Simping. " Simping isn't letting a hooker change the game plan on you. It isn't what your roommate did in college. It's what you originally called "pure simp talk" when I explained how Blakman could get the result he wanted. And your usage at that point was the INCEL usage. I suggested making the girl happy, and making sure she felt special. Your response may as well have been written by INCEL:
[QUOTE]Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.[/QUOTE]Make up your mind. I'm sure you're a great guy and I'm sure you treat women right. However, every now and then you post something that doesn't appear to be treating women right. That was one of those moments.
[QUOTE]Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.[/QUOTE]You tell me. If one of your girlfriends agrees to let you bring another girl over, agrees to sit there in the room and watch you fuck this other girl, tells you she is not going to participate at all, are you going to "make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick?" Because if you're the guy that treats women right, then you're not doing that. And if you're doing that you're not only not treating women right, you're starting a breakup at a really bad time, in a really bad way.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456625]The entire issue revolves around (and I think this is the fourth time I've stated this) "Simp. " Can you focus on that for a second?
Current popular usage of "Simp" as (I repeat again) Balboa showed, is that if you treat women nicely you are being a "Simp. " [/QUOTE]Wrong again. You should go back and read the definition that Balboa posted. Why do you keep making up things that nobody said so you can argue against it? Once again, simping does not mean treating someone nice. It means overly catering and kowtowing.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456625]You tell me. If one of your girlfriends agrees to let you bring another girl over, agrees to sit there in the room and watch you fuck this other girl, tells you she is not going to participate at all, are you going to "make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick?"[/QUOTE]Maybe that is where the problem lies. You are mistaking the HOOKER that Blakman had to be his girlfriend. She was a person that he was paying so that he could get sexual gratification. He was paying so that he could be served (which is why I brought up restaurants. When your order is up you do not run over to the place where the cook sat the food and tell the waitress let me help you with that as you are purporting one should do.)
He was not paying so that she would allow him to please her and make her feel like a queen. In your advice you were telling him to be sure to serve the person that he was paying to serve him. You have to pay the broad AND serve her too? THAT is what would be called simping. You are telling him to be the hooker and the trick at the same time. Why shouldn't she be paying him if he is serving her just as much or more than she was serving him?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456134]It's the battle cry of INCEL, Involuntarily Celibate, the whining twats who keep going on shooting sprees because they can't figure out how to get laid. They alternate between blaming their inability to find someone to have sex with on women who don't understand they're supposed to submit to any spineless twit who stares at them while rubbing his crotch, and on men who refuse to treat women like shit.
So they came up with "Stop simping. " They figure they only have 2 options to get laid. They can either crawl up a chicken's ass and wait, or get all men to be as pathetic as they are.
I'm just curious how they infiltrated the mongering world.[/QUOTE]Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.
"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " [URL]https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending[/URL].
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2456134]Personally, I prefer something more than purely transactional encounters. It's amazing to watch a cynical puta melt into a giddy schoolgirl with just a few simple compliments. It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."[/QUOTE]It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang.
Same thing with gifts mongers go out of their way to bring hookers. One board member posted that he was in Rio and went to a hooker's apartment. In the corner she had all kind of gifts piled up and told him what do these mfs think I am supposed to do with this stuff. But I guess they thought it was getting them extra points and something more than a purely transactional encounter.
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Real talk, the gifts are for the gift givers. Some of whom are trying to build toward the unicorn jumping a rainbow fantasy of a girlfriend experience with someone who is no one's girlfriend because she is everyone and anyone's girlfriend. Last week I gave a girl a gift of blackout curtains because it was too hot to fuck in her Robledo bedroom and I was tired of sweating like a pig. Those curtains were really for me. She seemed surprised how much cooler the room is. She was not surprised when I made no effort to pay her that day. Does that make her my girlfriend? LOL!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457141]Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.
"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " [URL]https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending[/URL].
It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457132]Wrong again. You should go back and read the definition that Balboa posted. Why do you keep making up things that nobody said so you can argue against it? Once again, simping does not mean treating someone nice. It means overly catering and kowtowing.
Maybe that is where the problem lies. You are mistaking the HOOKER that Blakman had to be his girlfriend. She was a person that he was paying so that he could get sexual gratification. He was paying so that he could be served (which is why I brought up restaurants. When your order is up you do not run over to the place where the cook sat the food and tell the waitress let me help you with that as you are purporting one should do.)
He was not paying so that she would allow him to please her and make her feel like a queen. In your advice you were telling him to be sure to serve the person that he was paying to serve him. You have to pay the broad AND serve her too? THAT is what would be called simping. You are telling him to be the hooker and the trick at the same time. Why shouldn't she be paying him if he is serving her just as much or more than she was serving him?[/QUOTE]I'll just put it in one post.
Starting with Blakman.
He agreed to a 7 day term with the girl. She and he established a basic list of things she would and wouldn't do. Can that concept penetrate the fog in your brain? She wasn't going to be there for an hour, for 2 pops, or even for a day. 7 days. A week.
You're renting an apartment for 7 days. The owner gives you a list of the apartment rules. You don't own the apartment for those 7 days. You can't change the rules without getting approval from the apartment owner. If you decide to change the rules on your own, you can expect, if the owner knows about it, to have your stay cut short and you will still have to pay for the 7 days. You may end up paying extra. If it's an apartment you enjoy renting, you'll probably fuck that up too.
Blakman entered into an agreement. The term of the agreement was 7 days. Are you still following, or are you thinking about a guy who went to Madagascar and told you a hooker there wouldn't eat cheese?
If Blakman tried to force a change of his agreement, why would you think the woman would just jump right in and agree? Would you? If you're waiting in line, pulling train on some woman and the guy between her legs tells you to rub his back if you want your turn, are you suddenly his masseuse? I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
Second concept that you have become oblivious to: lowering your DHF. DickHead Factor. You say how great a guy you are and how wonderful you treat women and then insist it's better to be a dickhead with them. Pick a fucking team.
Let's go to the restaurant. A hostess greets you with. "Welcome to (whatever the restaurant is called). How are you today?" Now you could respond with "I'm not paying to answer questions. Get me a table. " That seems to be your current recommendation. Or you could say "I'm doing great. How are you doing?" You might even smile or compliment her. When the waitress shows up and offers a few pleasantries, you could stick with the high DHF responses. Maybe a "don't fuck up my order. " or something equally in line with your line of thinking. Or you could smile, return the salutation and make her feel a bit better about herself.
You don't need to go carry the food, or setup the table. You don't have to wash the dishes. Being nice isn't going to change the bill. Your hamburger isn't going to upgrade to a filet. Assuming being an asshole at the beginning didn't get you kicked out, there's only a small difference in your food, but there's a huge difference in the overall experience.
The small difference in your food? The absence of pubic hair, fecal matter, mucus or other undesired condiments. The huge difference in the experience? The waitress is happy to come to your table. She gives you better service. She's more attentive to any problems and she, along with the hostess, looks forward to every visit.
Call me what you want. I'm not the guy who licked his roommate's balls in order to stand in line, with 15 guys, for a chance to stick his dick into an overused semen collection facility. That's got to be like fucking a milkshake machine.
Given a choice between a girl who is trying to get me to cum as quick as possible, so she can get the fuck away from me, and a girl who won't stop fucking me, at the same price, I'm going with the second one.
If I can change the first one into the second one, without paying more, by dropping a few compliments, I'm happy to toss out a few palabras dulces. Sure, I could instead spend my time figuring how much more I need to pay for BBBJ. I could invest my time into making sure she does everything on my checklist. Or I can invest 30-45 seconds into making her smile and she'll do everything I want without discussion, without an upcharge and without trying to cut it short.
Sticking solely with Colombian women, they like compliments. It makes them feel better about themselves. It changes their attitude. It improves their performance. They aren't getting compliments from their Colombian customers. They aren't getting compliments from their boyfriends. Their mothers complain when they're out selling pussy and complain when they aren't selling pussy. There aren't many people making them feel good about their life.
Along comes one of us simps. We're still paying. Some are paying more, some are bringing gifts. But all we're really doing, because we realize it costs nothing to smile and say a few nice words, is treating them the same way we expect them to treat us.
Yep. There's a hooker in Brazil who doesn't want gifts. There's probably a hooker in Thailand who doesn't want guys to be nice to her. You probably met a girl in Santiago who gets pissed off if a guy compliments her.
There's also a girl in Medellin, practically every week, posting pics on Facebook showing off the gifts someone sent, or brought and 30 of her friends congratulating her. There's a girl calling out her favorite monger because she had a better time with him. And there's a new girl, almost every day hitting me up because some other hooker showed her my, absolutely free to me, sweet WhatsApp message.
There's a girl who sends me videos every day, also free to me, because I tell her how beautiful she is. There's a girl who, because I mentioned I'd like to see another girl eating her out, went out, found a girl, and yesterday morning surprised me with a video of the encounter, again at no cost. All because I make her feel good about herself. She even went to great lengths apologizing and explaining why the video wasn't longer and finished by thanking me for suggesting it.
There's even a girl, from a nice home, with a comfortable living situation, an engineering student, and about the closest thing to a 19 year old virgin as you'll find in Medellin, who is literally begging me to do whatever I want with her. And all it took was telling her she's beautiful.
If I'm paying for sex, I'm paying for sex, exactly the same as paying for a meal in a restaurant. If I can make the experience better by not being a dickhead, I've decided I enjoy great experiences more than I enjoy being a dickhead. The best part about it, for me, because I like to repeat good experiences, is each return visit it gets better. Even though I'm still paying the same, the restaurant treats me like family. The meal is an event worth remembering, rather than something to forget about 15 minutes later.
I'll close with an explanation of transactional sex, just to give you another opportunity to work that false equivalence.
Going to McDonald's and going to a Michelin 3 star restaurant are both transactional eating. You're paying someone to cook for you. They bring you food. You eat it. You leave. At some point later you shit the unused portion out. If the price was the same, which would you prefer?
Read the reviews. "We agreed on 200 k + taxi for doggy, mish and CG, 2 pops, 3 hours, BBBJ and COB. She agreed to let me take photos and video for an extra 50 k."
Or.
"I told her I always pay 200 k and usually the girls stay for 2 or 3 hours."
In the first, every item on the list is a potential issue. She wants another 30 k for BBBJ. You're too big and CG hurts her. She doesn't want you to photo her face. She has to leave early. She didn't agree to 2 pops. How often do guys complain about those things?
In the second instance, the only problem, which I've rarely experienced, is she wants to leave after 1. 5 - 2 hours. Occasionally I get CBJ. Big deal. Unless you're using the cheapest condoms 99% of the difference is in your mind. Usually I don't want the 2nd pop. I have never had a position refused, because I change positions without stopping, pulling out and redirecting. I don't need photos and video, but if I want them, there's no upcharge. On several occasions the girl has grabbed my phone and asked for pictures. I don't need a stopwatch to make sure she blows me long enough. I don't need to count strokes. I don't need to listen to make sure she says "te amo. " There's no checklist I need to refer to. There's only these things:
1. Did she show up?
2. Did we fuck?
3. Did I enjoy it?
There's no "was it like every time with every girl?
That's the difference between the transactional sex you're promoting and the paid sex transactions I prefer.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2457247]That's the difference between the transactional sex you're promoting and the paid sex transactions I prefer.[/QUOTE]This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference[/URL]
It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2457395]This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference[/URL]
It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.[/QUOTE]You forget I've sat and listened to your endless complaints. Casa girls with odor issues, casa girls that wouldn't do what you want and the Veneca who led you around by the dick for a week.
Then there was the time you let them drug and rob you.
However, my favorite will always be your complete mental breakdown because some Venezuelan street rats didn't tell you thanks for the pizza you bought. All because you thought a piece of pizza would finally get the girl, who was leading you around like her pet Chihuahua, to finally put out for you. How did that turn out again?
You are free to do things in your own way. Then find someone new to complain to when it doesn't work out again. And we know how that story always ends.
Every human interaction is transactional. We give, we take, accept or decline. We weigh cost versus rewards and apply ourselves accordingly. However there's a difference between a craftsman building a piece of furniture and someone putting a similar piece together on an assembly line. There's a difference between writing a complete sentence and writing an engaging story. There's a difference between a home cooked meal and grabbing a burger at Presto. Often the better choice costs the same or less, it only requires a bit of effort and skill.
I do enjoy your attempts. Although not as cute, it reminds me of a 4 year old insisting he can tie his own shoes, after putting them on the wrong feet.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2457395]This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference[/URL]
It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.[/QUOTE]What you fail to grasp. One of the multitude of things you fail to grasp, my experiences are irrelevant to what I have posted. If the probability of a coin flip coming up heads is 50%, flipping tails 5 times straight doesn't change anything.
However, it's worth noting that more than one person has agreed with the value of using compliments and treating the girls better. Be consistent. Tell each of them they are also likely pulling stuff out of their ass.
After skill and reading all your bitching and complaining about Mr. Enternational, I'm honored to have replaced him at the top of your "Guys who make my vagina cramp" list.
A long time ago a friend told me "If you want to know how well you're satisfying a woman, talk to her friends. " If her friends like you, you're doing things right. If her friends can't stand you, you're just there to help pay the bills.
In the past 3 weeks, 4 of the cheerleader's friends and her sister have messaged me. Three of the friends have suggested I should see them when I'm in Medellin. One has been very specific. Her sister and best friend keep telling me how much she talks about me. Just 2 hours ago she said was rather explicit in telling me how she feels when she talks with me.
Of course I could just be making all this up. It could be gross exaggeration. Certainly it can't be because of my looks. It can't be because of my money, because she's never said anything about money, and because, judging by her mother's house, she doesn't need any. We're left with:
1. I have an incredible penis which she can't wait to ride.
Or.
2. Tossing around compliments and treating women special are effective ways to arouse interest.
Granted, it's all just supposition. The time I spend talking to her and the others may result in nothing. We won't know the answer for a few months. I may ultimately waste hundreds of hours of my time for nothing more than several hours of videos, hundreds of photos, dozens of video calls and an improved language skill.
I'll take the chance.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2461802]Again, you've got the "I'm too lazy to confirm it, so I'm not going to believe it" syndrome. It's quite simple. For example you can go to.
[URL]https://m.myfreecams.com/more/missmfc[/URL]
That's the list of the too earners for the month, along with the bonus they'll receive. Find one of them online. Sit and watch. See how many tokens she receives. 20 tokens is $1 to the model and costs the guys $1. 60 to buy. Do the math. Read through the model's bio. Many include screenshots of their biggest tips, or will list them along with who gave them the tip. All the proof you need is right at your fingertips.
The irony here is you write things that are very difficult to believe and impossible to verify, often things which contradict earlier things you have posted, and then get offended if anyone questions your word. Yet you refuse to believe things which could be verified by any 6th grader in less than 5 minutes.
In case you're wondering, that's called cognitive dissonance.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are a part of the guys who spend $800 usd on line to girls on my cam and chaterbate, I have not seen it, have not witnessed it, and still do not believe it. Many people have seen bigfoot, and me and in my 40 yrs of living have not seen bigfoot, I also do not believe there is a bigfoot, no shade no debate, just my honest opinion. No one is Medellin currently is spending $800 usd on girls for a date, I have not seen it and do not believe it! Pollo Negro is Out!
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Can we change the name of this thread to "Pollo Negro is out?"
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2461886]I have been wrong before and will probably be wrong again. Until I can witness these payment, I will continue to call it BS. Do you know how many fellow mongers I have met in Medellin who showed me photos of girls and the monger and myself finally met in person, they couldn't produce the girl in the pics? I hear all kinds of stories from the east to the west. I can not tell you or other mongers what "you" all may know, but I can most definitely tell you what I don't believe and just don't buy.[/QUOTE]Everyone knows you've been wrong before. I'm beginning to think that's your career path. I already explained to you how you can witness payments like that. You're calling BS on something you can easily verify, yet you refuse to try to verify but.
Nobody knows how many fellow mongers you've met, because knowing you, you're going to make up a number, multiply it by your age or your IQ, same result, then claim you met that many mongers and fucked all their sisters, while their mothers rubbed your balls. Make it easy, just list their ISG handles. Name just one. One monger who showed you pictures of a webcam model, told you he could set you up with the model and then failed to produce.
That's completely irrelevant. I never claimed I could set you up with a webcam model, I never produced a picture. I stated I know a model who receives a weekly large tip from someone she's never met. Fuck. If I wrote that I know a good place to get a cheap lunch with excellent food, you'd be claiming you've met 100 mongers who said they knew where to get the best steak in Medellin, but they all took you to McDonald's, therefore you don't believe me.
[QUOTE]I don't believe girls here in Medellin during the quarantine are earning $800 a day. I could be wrong, I do not believe it though. When I meet the person who can show me in person these girls who can verify that they earn $800 a day, then I will beg your pardon. There is not one chic that I have banged in Medellin that I can not put my hand on or call to come over. Now if you are a certified $800 usd paying member of the buy a twat club, then raise your hand, otherwise I am calling it BS.[/QUOTE]Nobody said girls in Medellin are earning $800 per day. Once again, I stated that my former roommate, a webcam model, receives a weekly tip from a guy and that tip costs him $800. She doesn't even live in Colombia anymore. She is now living in a first world country.
Nobody stated the transaction involved "buy a twat. " I specifically stated the guy has never met the girl. She's a webcam model. She doesn't go to cheap El Centro apartments to fuck clueless clowns for money.
[QUOTE]Its just that simple, don't point me to a website, point me to a whatsapp number and the ability to converse with these high priced internet sensations. Otherwise save it, otherwise all you guys are doing are misleading the readers and setting them up for failure, which I have witnessed in the pass. Just be yourself and don't boost up these girls or these websites that cannot deliver what you are selling. Its just that simple, a name, a number and rate, how hard is that? Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]It's like your brain shuts off when you see a post by me.
This all started because I listed several of the crazy things I have witnessed over the years. One of the things I witnessed was a guy, who happens to be a hedge fund manager, who gives a weekly tip, which costs him over $800, to a webcam model. I know this because I shared an apartment (Edificio Poblado Verde, Torre 1 ask the porteros if a tall gringo named Jeff used to live there) with the webcam model he gives the tip to.
Simply because I wrote it, you decided that it's not believable. No other fucking reason. I don't know why, but you long ago decided that I am the enemy and you must defeat me. Unfortunately, the only battle we can have is a battle of the wits, and you have no ammunition.
You can't even keep track of what it is you don't believe. It started as $800 per week to a webcam model as a tip. I even stated that the man has never met the model. But in your tiny little brain that got changed to paying to fuck her in Medellin. Now it's changed again to paying to fuck her every day in Medellin. What's next? Are you going to decide I said she's fucking 75 guys a day in Medellin for $800 per hour. I'm using chicken math, since you're using chicken brain.
This webcam model, like most of the webcam models who are making excellent incomes, is not a prostitute. She wouldn't fuck you for any amount of money. She also has a low tolerance for clueless fucking idiots (maybe that's why we get along so well), so your charm won't work either.
Another clue that's completely wasted on you:
Webcam models work on websites. Specifically they work on webcam websites. That's why they are called "webcam models. " If you want to talk to a webcam model, you go to a webcam website because, and this is the tricky part, [B] Webcam models work on Webcam Websites.[/B].
Giving you the WhatsApp number for any webcam model won't do you any good, because she's not a prostitute, and if she's making good money, she doesn't want to talk to any clueless fucking idiots.
You can find lots of prostitutes who will tell you they are on webcam. If you weren't a clueless fucking idiot you'd recognize that I recently mentioned one by name that can be found on Facebook. She would probably fuck you, but she's out of your price range. She can't really help you with talking about making the big money, because she's just getting started and isn't making much. However, I can guarantee you she will happily fuck you for $800. All you have to do is make the offer.
I'm not setting anyone up for failure. I'm not even sure where that came from. Who can tell what will come out of a chicken brain? If someone wants to go to a webcam site and spend $800 on a webcam model they are guaranteed to succeed. They will no longer have the money and the webcam model will get her share of it ($500 if she's independent, $250-$400 if she works for a studio). Failure is not a possibility. However, if they are stupid enough to think that spending $800 on a webcam model on a different continent will somehow get them laid that night, then they're going to be disappointed.
Again, because your feeble little chicken brain seems to have a problem with this, I never claimed you could fuck my former roommate for $800. Even if she told me to find a guy who would fuck her for $800, I'd give her WhatsApp number to a syphilitic warthog with halitosis before I'd give it to you.
I've got a new tagline for you. Try:
PolloNegro is out of fucking brain cells.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2461989]Everyone knows you've been wrong before. I'm beginning to think that's your career path. I already explained to you how you can witness payments like that. You're calling BS on something you can easily verify, yet you refuse to try to verify but.
Nobody knows how many fellow mongers you've met, because knowing you, you're going to make up a number, multiply it by your age or your IQ, same result, then claim you met that many mongers and fucked all their sisters, while their mothers rubbed your balls. Make it easy, just list their ISG handles. Name just one. One monger who showed you pictures of a webcam model, told you he could set you up with the model and then failed to produce.
That's completely irrelevant. I never claimed I could set you up with a webcam model, I never produced a picture. I stated I know a model who receives a weekly large tip from someone she's never met. Fuck. If I wrote that I know a good place to get a cheap lunch with excellent food, you'd be claiming you've met 100 mongers who said they knew where to get the best steak in Medellin, but they all took you to McDonald's, therefore you don't believe me.
Nobody said girls in Medellin are earning $800 per day. Once again, I stated that my former roommate, a webcam model, receives a weekly tip from a guy and that tip costs him $800. She doesn't even live in Colombia anymore. She is now living in a first world country.
Nobody stated the transaction involved "buy a twat. " I specifically stated the guy has never met the girl. She's a webcam model. She doesn't go to cheap El Centro apartments to fuck clueless clowns for money.
It's like your brain shuts off when you see a post by me..[/QUOTE]Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462135]Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Others have accepted it just fine. Others have confirmed how much some of the webcam models make. There are countless online sources available that confirm how much webcam models are making. A few years ago HBO did some episodes on whatever their sex series was called going through the lives and earnings of webcam girls. Various reliable news sources have done stories on webcam modeling. There's practically a library of available sources to confirm the possibility of what I have stated.
None other than the first person to show you around Medellin has weighed in and stated he personally witnessed a webcam model make over $30,000 on her birthday.
[QUOTE=Wolf662;2461818]Last year I watched one of the popular chicks on Chaturbate make over $30,000 on her birthday in tips. I was amazed.[/QUOTE]Yet you still don't believe me? You understand that every time you repeat "I don't believe you" you're proving I'm not insulting you when I call you a clueless fucking idiot? I'm stating a fact you keep demanding the right to prove.
Keep it coming. I'm enjoying how silly you are making yourself look.
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My way of thinking
[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462135]Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Here's my way of thinking. It might help you avoid making a fool of yourself in the future.
If someone says something I think is wrong, I look it up. If they provide me some sources, I check them out. Are they reliable sources? Can I find any supporting sources? Is there sufficient evidence to support the other person's claims or position? If the answer is "yes" I've learned something and I'm happy to have the new knowledge.
If the links are to clickbait sites, or known propoganda sites, I find reputable sites. I find out whether or not their claims have any validity. If the claims are invalid, I will show them, step by step why they are mistaken. I don't care if they change their mind. I put the correct information out for everyone else, to give them the chance to know the facts.
That's how I think. Now if others don't accept that way of thinking, they deserve the insults, because they are refusing to even examine something, which they have no knowledge of, before deciding they know the facts.
I'll give an example you might be able to relate to.
30 years ago I suffered a serious back injury, which sidelined me for 18 months. I've had frequent back problems since. Several years ago, I was golfing and smashed a drive, right at 300 yards in the middle of the fairway. Unfortunately, just as I connected with the ball my foot slipped. Because I was overpowering my swing, that little slip was enough to slip a disc, L3 to be exact. Needless to say, I didn't finish my round.
Went home used my TENS unit for awhile and popped 1600 MG of ibuprofen. About 2 am the pain was off the scale and I went to the emergency room. Just getting there was a challenge.
Went to the admissions desk, the on duty doctor was sitting there as the nurse took my information. I explained about my history of back problems. I explained what I was doing when I experienced the pain. I described the pain. The doctor, after hearing all of that declared "you've got kidney stones. " he went on to guarantee that my problem was kidney stones. I told him no and repeated everything to him. Again he assured me it was kidney stones.
So instead of an x-ray to identify the disc problem they took x-rays which proved I didn't have kidney stones. I spent 6 hours in agony waiting for another doctor to come in with the "good news. You don't have kidney stones. " No shit doc. I knew that when I walked in.
That first doctor used your way of thinking. He was presented with sufficient evidence to make an informed decision and refused to even consider the evidence, because he had already decided what the answer was.
Completely unrelated, but because I mentioned it elsewhere, here's a link to Camgirl Magazine. If you appreciate excellent photography and beautiful women, check it out. You'll get to see some of the top webcam models looking their absolute best.
[URL]https://juanbustos.com/camgirl-english/[/URL]
Yes, it's run by Juan Bustos. He might be considered the (young) Hugh Hefner of Colombia. The model in the first issue, Laura Vega, was the first model I worked with in Medellin. Hot as fuck, but a complete pain in the ass. Nice girl, though.
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Carry On, we See you for who you really are
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2462178]Here's my way of thinking. It might help you avoid making a fool of yourself in the future.
If someone says something I think is wrong, I look it up. If they provide me some sources, I check them out. Are they reliable sources? Can I find any supporting sources? Is there sufficient evidence to support the other person's claims or position? If the answer is "yes" I've learned something and I'm happy to have the new knowledge.
If the links are to clickbait sites, or known propoganda sites, I find reputable sites. I find out whether or not their claims have any validity. If the claims are invalid, I will show them, step by step why they are mistaken. I don't care if they change their mind. I put the correct information out for everyone else, to give them the chance to know the facts.
That's how I think. Now if others don't accept that way of thinking, they deserve the insults, because they are refusing to even examine something, which they have no knowledge of, before deciding they know the facts.
I'll give an example you might be able to relate to...[/QUOTE]I learned a long time ago, people who were good with words, were never good in action or had the ability to back up their BS. They were all good at selling you a story if you were willing to buy. Anytime anyone must come online to belittle another BM, clearly shoes that you are inferior to the words that you type. I may type stupid words, I may seem controversial, but I can back up anything that I have posted on line. That's the difference in being able to seem intelligent and actually the ability to deliver.
I am not from your era, you are from the era of where a man's word meant something, I am from the era of "show and prove!" you are 20 yrs my senior and still you have no ability to convince me that what you are selling I should buy, why? Because you cannot prove it in a manner that satisfies my belief system. You writing skills may be off the scale, but I do not buy or believe what you write. You have to find others from your era who can believe in that foolishness that you are typing. I may seem illiterate, I may seem subpar, but what I can tell you is that I have been here in Medellin for 4 months and every month has become cheaper and cheaper to live.
So once again, continue to use your great big words to attempt to humiliate someone who does not buy the BS that you are writing, and until you can simplify your rationale and make it make sense, I will continue to call it BigFoot Theory, Pollo Negro is out!
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It's true some Colombian camgirls are making bank. I used to buy tokens off several camgirls. I would wire them the same amount that Chaturbate would pay them. It was convenient because the girls would receive payment faster than the bi-weekly cashout period and I was buying tokens at cost without the markup. One of the girls I know is a friend and former coworker with a top model; Angela_5. She said Angela just bought her own apartment and paid for a Fiat in cash. She also said all the money she's making on Chaturbate changed her. They're still friends, but not quite as close as when they both worked at the same studio. Angela is an Independent model now.
Anyhow, I would wire models anywhere from $200 - $600. I became verified on chaturbate so that I could cash out the tokens I didn't spend. Chaturbate sends out 1099's, so I stopped cashing out tokens.
Some camgirls are pay2 play. A few are also on SA. The most popular models make too much money to be pay2 play. The average price I was quoted was $200 for a session for a few girls. If they get to know you and feel you're not a creep, some are willing to meet for coffee or lunch. Although it would most likely be an uphill battle to bed them. These are models that are making decent money on chaturbate. They usually have a few guys that are infatuated with them and give them a majority of their earnings. Also know a former Colombian camgirl that dabbled on SA, and moved to Mexico because that was were she could make more money. Her sugar daddy gave her a brand new Mini Cooper!
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I'm not sure what is so hard to believe about women making money online. They have been making money like that since the internet was created. In the age of social media it's easier than ever, they don't even have to take their clothes off. My cousin, the lucky bastard that he is married a Russian girl a few years ago. I will admit she is ridiculously hot. She has something like 173 k followers an IG. She has several sites like Patreon, Twitter and Only Fans among other. She is always posting pictures of herself in bathing suits and workout clothes that she gets paid to promote. My cousin says on good months she makes over 20 thousand dollars! For posting pictures online! It really blows my mind. Anyway, if she can make that much money with her clothes on I can only imagine how much cam girls can make if they are really popular, the amount must be crazy!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462321]I learned a long time ago, people who were good with words, were never good in action or had the ability to back up their BS. They were all good at selling you a story if you were willing to buy. Anytime anyone must come online to belittle another BM, clearly shoes that you are inferior to the words that you type. I may type stupid words, I may seem controversial, but I can back up anything that I have posted on line. That's the difference in being able to seem intelligent and actually the ability to deliver.
I am not from your era, you are from the era of where a man's word meant something, I am from the era of "show and prove!" you are 20 yrs my senior and still you have no ability to convince me that what you are selling I should buy, why? Because you cannot prove it in a manner that satisfies my belief system. You writing skills may be off the scale, but I do not buy or believe what you write. You have to find others from your era who can believe in that foolishness that you are typing. I may seem illiterate, I may seem subpar, but what I can tell you is that I have been here in Medellin for 4 months and every month has become cheaper and cheaper to live.
So once again, continue to use your great big words to attempt to humiliate someone who does not buy the BS that you are writing, and until you can simplify your rationale and make it make sense, I will continue to call it BigFoot Theory, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]It's not rocket science man.
Some girls make money in the Webcam biz and some don't, and some even make a following for themselves and for some reason or another, some lonely sap sends them big money.
There will always be way more that don't earn much, and plenty of girls in the PFP business, some cheap, some not.
So what's the big debate?
And why anyone really cares if you believe them or not, I certainly don't get, Lol.
Also, in every era, a man's word should mean something, but that is of course, once it has been earned or proven.
That's timeless.
Peace.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462321]I learned a long time ago, people who were good with words, were never good in action or had the ability to back up their BS. They were all good at selling you a story if you were willing to buy. Anytime anyone must come online to belittle another BM, clearly shoes that you are inferior to the words that you type. I may type stupid words, I may seem controversial, but I can back up anything that I have posted on line. That's the difference in being able to seem intelligent and actually the ability to deliver.
I am not from your era, you are from the era of where a man's word meant something, I am from the era of "show and prove!" you are 20 yrs my senior and still you have no ability to convince me that what you are selling I should buy, why? Because you cannot prove it in a manner that satisfies my belief system. You writing skills may be off the scale, but I do not buy or believe what you write. You have to find others from your era who can believe in that foolishness that you are typing. I may seem illiterate, I may seem subpar, but what I can tell you is that I have been here in Medellin for 4 months and every month has become cheaper and cheaper to live.[/QUOTE]1. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I've repeatedly told you that what I'm talking about isn't for sale. Really she's not for sale at any price. And I mean any price. You could offer her $50,000 US for a handjob and allow her to wear gloves and she'd turn you down. We had many 3 am discussions about things like that after her shows.
2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.
3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.
4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.
5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said.
If I posted that I know some people in Envigado who are selling homemade burgers for pickup for 11 k including papitas, a bit more for domicilios, you'd announce that someone told you it's illegal to sell hamburgers in Envigado. Then you'd tell me you don't believe it's possible to get hamburgers anywhere in Envigado and tell me you won't believe me until I buy you a hamburger.
BTW, Jack and Roll in Envigado has some great burgers. Classic Diner is also great place for a burger, fries and a chocolate malt. And of you're interested in the 11 k Burger and fries deal, hit me up and I'll put you in touch with them.
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Bingo
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2462433]1. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I've repeatedly told you that what I'm talking about isn't for sale. Really she's not for sale at any price. And I mean any price. You could offer her $50,000 US for a handjob and allow her to wear gloves and she'd turn you down. We had many 3 am discussions about things like that after her shows.
2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.
3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.
4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.
5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said.[/QUOTE]I knew you'd bite, your superior complex kicked in say no more, Pollo Negro is out!
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Have you not noticed
[QUOTE=Balboa;2462408]It's not rocket science man.
Some girls make money in the Webcam biz and some don't, and some even make a following for themselves and for some reason or another, some lonely sap sends them big money.
There will always be way more that don't earn much, and plenty of girls in the PFP business, some cheap, some not.
So what's the big debate?
And why anyone really cares if you believe them or not, I certainly don't get, Lol.
Also, in every era, a man's word should mean something, but that is of course, once it has been earned or proven.
That's timeless.
Peace.[/QUOTE]I am from a country where the president lies daily, cops kill minorities and then claim it was resisting arrest, the president advises you to drink bleach, and the same president will use the secret service to hose down and gas protesters and then he will lie about it, and you want me to believe that a man word should mean something! Dude what era are you guys really living in? People with sense are no way as gullible as they once was, I will believe a man's word when someone from the board shows me Bigfoot otherwise, send me a name and a number so I can verify that income from these high class dates myself. Otherwise I am still calling it BS, and don't tell me that my rationale is a whole different subject, its relevant to why, I don't believe anything until I can prove and verify it myself. Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462477]I knew you'd bite, your superior complex kicked in say no more, Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]I'll make it simple, in deference to your cognitive ability.
I stated that you can't get a top webcam model to fuck you for any realistic price. They make too much money and most, that I've talked to, are morally opposed to the idea.
Your reply was that I need to provide you with the phone number of a webcam model you can fuck for $800. If I can't do that, I am just lying to you.
I answered back that top webcam models don't fuck for money and that nobody can provide you the number of a top webcam model who will fuck you for $800.
Again, you insisted that I either give you the number of a top webcam model you can fuck for $800 or I should shut up.
I've lost track of the number of times, but each time I say "You can't get dates with top webcam models" you reply "get me a date with a top webcam model, or admit you're wrong."
If someone tells you, "This is a vegan restaurant, they don't serve any meat", how many times do you try to order a T-Bone steak?
If you go to a produce stand, how many times do you demand for someone to sell you a vacuum cleaner?
Do you search out women with no arms and insist they stick a finger in your ass while giving you a handjob? Do you throw kittens off the roof and tell them "fly away. Be free?
I'm trying to figure a way around the huge stumbling block inside your head.
Webcam models aren't prostitutes. Some prostitutes go on webcam, but they are almost never successful. If anyone is trying to tell you they can hook you up with a top webcam model, I'll happily tell them they are full of shit. Nobody can set you up to fuck a top webcam model.
I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.
I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.
I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.
I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.
I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.
Has it penetrated yet?
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2462567]I am from a country where the president lies daily, cops kill minorities and then claim it was resisting arrest, the president advises you to drink bleach, and the same president will use the secret service to hose down and gas protesters and then he will lie about it, and you want me to believe that a man word should mean something! Dude what era are you guys really living in? People with sense are no way as gullible as they once was, I will believe a man's word when someone from the board shows me Bigfoot otherwise, send me a name and a number so I can verify that income from these high class dates myself. Otherwise I am still calling it BS, and don't tell me that my rationale is a whole different subject, its relevant to why, I don't believe anything until I can prove and verify it myself. Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]Good luck to you Pollo, I wish you the best, it really doesn't matter to me if you believe or not.
All good wishes.
Cuídate seńor 👊
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2454768] "If he likes taking up up the ass let him take it up the ass," well whatever. Lolol.[/QUOTE]They are really women trapped in a mans body.
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That photo is my new screensaver LMAO
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2457141]Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.
"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " [URL]https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending[/URL].
It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang..[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/cubs-jose-quintana-out-after-cutting-finger-washing-dishes/[/URL]
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[quote=mrenternational;2457141]man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass white guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but i am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the black community. There is a saying that goes, "nice guys finish last. " i didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.
"in some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " [url]https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending[/url].
It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say i want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick i guess it is all kool & the gang.r.[/quote]lmaoooooooo.
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[QUOTE=Coupe66;2463262]You wrote this on March 14th, predicting there would be panic in Medellin by mid / late March. Well, it's now July 2nd and there is still no panic! So what happened to your predictions, or were you the one who was actually trying to cause panic?[/QUOTE]
I didn't predict with 💯 % reliability that there were be widespread panic and Colombia would burn to the ground. You're really obsessed with panic for someone who wants to look like they aren't panicking. I had chicas hitting me up asking for money and sounding distraught (when they never did that before). The supermarkets being looted by crowds of people, that's not panic. Friends in Medellin telling me chicas won't come out to session because of covid for over a month. Really, nothing was impacted in Colombia? You sure? Interesting that because I felt a shift in the energy in Medellin at that time and said I think people will start to be on edge/panic when they cant work, that you want to vilify me for sharing an opinion and then push it on me that I was even trying to CAUSE panic.
I literally started off saying I'm not interested in panic but in being prepared. What do I lose by having extra food in the house? Nothing. What do you lose by not understanding supply chains are fragile and being unprepared? Your life. It's not even worth debating which makes more sense. I don't have the power or interest, or frankly care enough about *you* to cause panic, but thank you for thinking so highly of me that I could do such a thing.
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[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463276]I would love for you to quote me and repost it here saying "people should leave Colombia ASAP!" when Covid was hitting a few months back. People asked why * I * was choosing to leave, and I gave my reasons, one of them being I have pets and with the lockdown, the petsitter was not allowed to do the daily outcalls to my house. If I stayed in Colombia, my pets would actually be dead right now. Kind of weird that you read that as me telling you what to do. I couldn't care less what other people do. It has zero effect on my life.
The fact that you're implying me, and people like JJBee and Surfer, don't interact with Colombians just proves you have zero reading comprehension skills and helps me understand how you misunderstood everything else you went on about.
I find it hilarious that the people who post numbers, statistics and medical journal entries are called "fear mongerers" and "inciting panic" by people who are absolutely crapping their pants from behind their computer screen, frantically slamming away at the keyboard with their tinfoil hat on. You and Elvis are the only ones here sounding scared man. The rest of us are just taking minor precautions and going about our day.[/QUOTE]Dude, you were writing panicky fear mongering posts every day in mid March, going on about how terrible it was in Puerto Rico and that it would be just the same in Colombia in a matter of weeks! So if you had left, and you didn't care what others did, why did you keep posting those things? Why did you bother writing them if you weren't trying to scare others? And no accounting for differences in the country, behaviour of the people etc. in your calculations of doom! And I'm certainly not mentioning JJBee and Surfer!
I've noticed that you're still doing the same on here and others are complaining about your fear mongering just in the last few days. I didn't hide behind any computer, I stayed in Colombia and went out when it as allowed! Seriously man, change your name from AdventureSeekr, it's an abomination ! You seek no adventures except hiding away and surrounding yourself with tins of beans to survive on! Have you even been out of the house in the last 3. 5 months, apart from to walk your dogs around the block maybe?
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[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463276]I would love for you to quote me and repost it here saying "people should leave Colombia ASAP!" when Covid was hitting a few months back. People asked why * I * was choosing to leave, and I gave my reasons, one of them being I have pets and with the lockdown, the petsitter was not allowed to do the daily outcalls to my house. If I stayed in Colombia, my pets would actually be dead right now. Kind of weird that you read that as me telling you what to do. I couldn't care less what other people do. It has zero effect on my life.
The fact that you're implying me, and people like JJBee and Surfer, don't interact with Colombians just proves you have zero reading comprehension skills and helps me understand how you misunderstood everything else you went on about.
I find it hilarious that the people who post numbers, statistics and medical journal entries are called "fear mongerers" and "inciting panic" by people who are absolutely crapping their pants from behind their computer screen, frantically slamming away at the keyboard with their tinfoil hat on. You and Elvis are the only ones here sounding scared man. The rest of us are just taking minor precautions and going about our day.[/QUOTE]See the Post Headline.
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[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463277]I didn't predict with 💯 % reliability that there were be widespread panic and Colombia would burn to the ground. You're really obsessed with panic for someone who wants to look like they aren't panicking. I had chicas hitting me up asking for money and sounding distraught (when they never did that before). The supermarkets being looted by crowds of people, that's not panic. Friends in Medellin telling me chicas won't come out to session because of covid for over a month. Really, nothing was impacted in Colombia? You sure? Interesting that because I felt a shift in the energy in Medellin at that time and said I think people will start to be on edge/panic when they cant work, that you want to vilify me for sharing an opinion and then push it on me that I was even trying to CAUSE panic.
I literally started off saying I'm not interested in panic but in being prepared. What do I lose by having extra food in the house? Nothing. What do you lose by not understanding supply chains are fragile and being unprepared? Your life. It's not even worth debating which makes more sense. I don't have the power or interest, or frankly care enough about *you* to cause panic, but thank you for thinking so highly of me that I could do such a thing.[/QUOTE]In Colombia they introduced a policy of 'buy max 2 of any particular product' in supermarkets at the start of the quarantine, which was respected. All supermarkets I saw were pretty much fully stocked. People who empty supermarket shelves of everything are in my opinion anyway the lowest of the low! If you knew ANYTHING about Colombia you would know that it's a BREAD BASKET of agricultural production, and can be almost self-sufficient when it needs to be.
Did you maybe consider the fact that in Colombia, unlike the USA there wasn't even enough cash or easy credit in the country for the people to be able to empty the shelves, even if they had wanted to. I guess not!
A few chicas not wanting to visit your buddies because of respecting the rules is not panic! And people who can't work everywhere are in trouble, not only in Colombia! Maybe you were pre-judging them by what you know about Puerto Rico and how the people behave there? Well, Colombia is not Puerto Rico!!
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2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.
3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.
4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.
5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said..[/QUOTE]Send me contact info. Do they deliver to Laurels?
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[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2463083]Any thoughts on how you would have felt had you been in Colombia at the time?[/QUOTE]Well to be honest, my symptoms never got severe enough to even consider medical attention.
Wouldn't have mattered if I was in Colombia, Tahiti or the USA.
I'm in my 50's and in pretty good shape and health.
I stayed in the USA for family issues, but wish every day I was in Colombia or Brazil.
I imagine if I had other health type issues, I would have feared more being in a foreign land and getting the virus.
Now that I've had the virus and recovered, I still wish I was back in Colombia or Brazil, Lol.
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[QUOTE=Coupe66;2463279] I didn't hide behind any computer, I stayed in Colombia and went out when it as allowed! Seriously man, change your name from AdventureSeekr, it's an abomination ! You seek no adventures except hiding away and surrounding yourself with tins of beans to survive on! Have you even been out of the house in the last 3. 5 months, apart from to walk your dogs around the block maybe?[/QUOTE]Coupe, you are hilarious! Hindsight is 2020, I think you are too harsh.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2463241]People suffer because of the lockdowns. Bolsonaro got it right, the politicians who ordered the lockdowns are guilty of murdering the global economy because of a virus that only had the capacity to kill old, weak and extremely unlucky that probably would have died anyways. This virus is a joke!
But I guess that I should be grateful for the incompetent politicians, without them I wouldn't been able to get a 3000 discount on the new car that I just leased. Fuck the poor, "it's a rich man's world" as we Swedes used to sing.[/QUOTE]Wow, what the fuck did I just read, are you for real dude?
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2463310]Well to be honest, my symptoms never got severe enough to even consider medical attention.
I imagine if I had other health type issues, I would have feared more being in a foreign land and getting the virus.[/QUOTE]You have been lucky, or maybe rather you were not unlucky, considered that in the majority of cases is like yours. It's really good to hear all that.
However, I am curious to know: for the weeks you were aware to have the virus active in you, how did you manage your regular life? I assume, or I hope, you never went out of you home, maybe your room if you live with a family. But if you live with a family, also they are supposed to stay at home and do not go out. So how to buy food? Home delivery? From your posts, you seem to be a responsible person, but I suspect that many in USA do not care much about this, or we would not see such an impressive increase. It's out of control now in USA, and it will take a lot of patience and discipline to lower the progression rate.
Now imagine your few weeks in Colombia, in a rented apartment or hotel, with the possibility that someone reports the case to the health officers and you also receive an official notice to not go out of your room or receive guests. And no way to fly back home until tested negative two times. It's a nightmare, with the pending threat and bad thoughts every day "Now what happens if my conditions worsen?? Who will take care of me?"
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[QUOTE=Coupe66;2463279]Dude, you were writing panicky fear mongering posts every day in mid March, going on about how terrible it was in Puerto Rico and that it would be just the same in Colombia in a matter of weeks! So if you had left, and you didn't care what others did, why did you keep posting those things? Why did you bother writing them if you weren't trying to scare others? And no accounting for differences in the country, behaviour of the people etc. in your calculations of doom! And I'm certainly not mentioning JJBee and Surfer!
I've noticed that you're still doing the same on here and others are complaining about your fear mongering just in the last few days. I didn't hide behind any computer, I stayed in Colombia and went out when it as allowed! Seriously man, change your name from AdventureSeekr, it's an abomination ! You seek no adventures except hiding away and surrounding yourself with tins of beans to survive on! Have you even been out of the house in the last 3. 5 months, apart from to walk your dogs around the block maybe?[/QUOTE]So you advocate people go travel during a global pandemic when most places are closed to Americans and it's not even possible? And then you go further and call that an adventure. You're a total moron. You keep making stuff up and saying I said things I never said. You're arguing with a reality that doesn't even exist except in your own mind. It doesn't seem like your handling this situation well at all. Your mental health seems to be suffering.
I'll say it again since you're having a really difficult time with this, nothing about my life has changed other than me being more prepared than before.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2463319]Coupe, you are hilarious! Hindsight is 2020, I think you are too harsh.[/QUOTE]Cheers! He deserves it though for writing all that crap back in March! Re. hindsight, I did say back then it will mainly only affect the elderly and those with pre existing conditions, that the virus wouldn't get out of control and that Colombia could handle it. So far, think I've been proved right!
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[QUOTE=Coupe66;2463400]Cheers! He deserves it though for writing all that crap back in March! Re. hindsight, I did say back then it will mainly only affect the elderly and those with pre existing conditions, that the virus wouldn't get out of control and that Colombia could handle it. So far, think I've been proved right![/QUOTE]I really don't want to be a part of this squabble. It's worth pointing out that a lot of people said things in March that turned out to be completely wrong, myself included.
I did say I thought Colombia was better equipped to handle it, mainly because their supply chain is much more localized than the US. Another advantage I didn't think of at the time is the limited intercity travel. Most of the people in Medellin, or Bucaramanga, stay there. If they travel to another city it's by plane or bus, which is easy to shutdown. This makes isolation easier.
In the US, if someone in Detroit wants to go to Chicago, they hop in the car and drive. There have been several stories about large numbers being infected because they travelled to a birthday party or reunion.
The virus hasn't gotten out of control in Colombia yet. Neither have they gotten it under control yet. If the current trend continues it will be out of control in just a few more days. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Yes, the disease mostly affects the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Most diseases are like that, either the very old or the very young are the most susceptible. Does that matter? I know people who are old, who have pre-existing conditions, and who don't want to die. Do we all have an expiration date? Once we reach that age, we need to go die quietly? What age is that for you? Think about it. When I was 18 I couldn't imagine anyone over 30 being happy. When I was 30 I laughed about how little my 18 year old self knew. Now I'm 58 and 70 doesn't seem too old.
It might not matter to you. You might not know anyone over 65, or know anyone with a pre-existing condition, but I'm certain it matters to most of them and to most of us as well.
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[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463276]I would love for you to quote me and repost it here saying "people should leave Colombia ASAP!" when Covid was hitting a few months back. People asked why * I * was choosing to leave, and I gave my reasons, one of them being I have pets and with the lockdown, the petsitter was not allowed to do the daily outcalls to my house. If I stayed in Colombia, my pets would actually be dead right now.[/QUOTE]Oh, brother! Dead pets?
[QUOTE=AdventureSeekr;2463276]The fact that you're implying me, and people like JJBee and Surfer, don't interact with Colombians just proves you have zero reading comprehension skills and helps me understand how you misunderstood everything else you went on about.
I find it hilarious that the people who post numbers, statistics and medical journal entries are called "fear mongerers" and "inciting panic" by people who are absolutely crapping their pants from behind their computer screen, frantically slamming away at the keyboard with their tinfoil hat on. You and Elvis are the only ones here sounding scared man. The rest of us are just taking minor precautions and going about our day.[/QUOTE]Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.
I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".
Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.
In two days, I will be in Cancun with one of the Mexican 10's. In three weeks, I will be meeting the Brazilian in Mexico City.
As for why the Covid exaggeration continues on, it is about Trump and re-election. We saw this with Russia and then the Ukraine and now Covid. Trump is a threat to anyone living off the USA Printing press.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily achieve 'mail-in' voting; which they desperately need in key battleground states in order to control the outcome.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot shut down rallies and political campaigning efforts of President Trump; which they desperate need to do in key battleground states.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot block the campaign contrast between an energetic President Trump and a physically tenuous, mentally compromised, challenger.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have an excuse for cancelling the DNC convention in Milwaukee; thereby blocking Team Bernie Sanders from visible opposition while protecting candidate gibberish from himself.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have a mechanism to keep voters isolated from each-other; limiting communication and national debate adverse to their interests. COVID-19 panic pushes the national conversation into the digital space where Big Tech controls every element of the conversation.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot keep their Blue state economies easily shut-down and continue to block USA Economic growth. All thriving economies are against the political interests of Democrats.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily keep club candidate Joe Biden sealed in the basement; where the electorate is not exposed to visible signs of his dementia.
♦Without COVID-19 panic it becomes more difficult for Big Tech to censor voices that would outline the fraud and scheme. With COVID-19 panic they have a better method and an excuse.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot advance, influence, or organize their preferred presidential debate format, a 'virtual presidential debate' series.
Comrade Gretchen Whitmer knows this plan, hence she cancelled the Michigan venue.
All of these, and more, strategic outcomes are based on the manufactured weaponization of the COVID-19 virus to achieve a larger political objective. There is ZERO benefit to anyone other than Democrats for the overwhelming hype surrounding COVID-19.
It is not coincidental that all corporate media are all-in to facilitate the demanded fear that Democrats need in order to achieve their objectives. Thus there is an alignment of all big government institutions and multinationals to support the same.
And it is not every country. The leader of Tanzania set in three samples to the WHO: papaya, goat, and pawpaw, and all tested + for covid.
Getting covid from a one time encounter with a Colombian provider and dying from said virus is a literal one in a million event, but I am not going to argue with you or dispute you anymore given the exaggerations benefit me.
Have fun staying home with your pets!!
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2463311]Starting to look like the Chit Chat thread............[/QUOTE]Started to go a little downwards when Blakman stopped posting.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2463412]Oh, brother! Dead pets?
Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.
I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".
Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.
In two days, I will be in Cancun with one of the Mexican 10's. In three weeks, I will be meeting the Brazilian in Mexico City.
As for why the Covid exaggeration continues on, it is about Trump and re-election. We saw this with Russia and then the Ukraine and now Covid. Trump is a threat to anyone living off the USA Printing press.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily achieve 'mail-in' voting; which they desperately need in key battleground states in order to control the outcome.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot shut down rallies and political campaigning efforts of President Trump; which they desperate need to do in key battleground states.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot block the campaign contrast between an energetic President Trump and a physically tenuous, mentally compromised, challenger.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have an excuse for cancelling the DNC convention in Milwaukee; thereby blocking Team Bernie Sanders from visible opposition while protecting candidate gibberish from himself.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have a mechanism to keep voters isolated from each-other; limiting communication and national debate adverse to their interests. COVID-19 panic pushes the national conversation into the digital space where Big Tech controls every element of the conversation.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot keep their Blue state economies easily shut-down and continue to block USA Economic growth. All thriving economies are against the political interests of Democrats.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily keep club candidate Joe Biden sealed in the basement; where the electorate is not exposed to visible signs of his dementia.
♦Without COVID-19 panic it becomes more difficult for Big Tech to censor voices that would outline the fraud and scheme. With COVID-19 panic they have a better method and an excuse.
♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot advance, influence, or organize their preferred presidential debate format, a 'virtual presidential debate' series.
Comrade Gretchen Whitmer knows this plan, hence she cancelled the Michigan venue.
All of these, and more, strategic outcomes are based on the manufactured weaponization of the COVID-19 virus to achieve a larger political objective. There is ZERO benefit to anyone other than Democrats for the overwhelming hype surrounding COVID-19.
It is not coincidental that all corporate media are all-in to facilitate the demanded fear that Democrats need in order to achieve their objectives. Thus there is an alignment of all big government institutions and multinationals to support the same.
And it is not every country. The leader of Tanzania set in three samples to the WHO: papaya, goat, and pawpaw, and all tested + for covid.
Getting covid from a one time encounter with a Colombian provider and dying from said virus is a literal one in a million event, but I am not going to argue with you or dispute you anymore given the exaggerations benefit me.
Have fun staying home with your pets!![/QUOTE]While I agree with most of what you say. Please everyone STOP posting your pathetic LAYPERSON opinions of Viral Illness. There are 1000 other forums for this non-sense! Likewise USA Politics. God, People, that's enough! If you are not here with us in Colombia sharing insights to lifestyle, Or asking focused questions on the topic. Please GO AWAY.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2463374]You have been lucky, or maybe rather you were not unlucky, considered that in the majority of cases is like yours. It's really good to hear all that.
However, I am curious to know: for the weeks you were aware to have the virus active in you, how did you manage your regular life? I assume, or I hope, you never went out of you home, maybe your room if you live with a family. But if you live with a family, also they are supposed to stay at home and do not go out. So how to buy food? Home delivery? From your posts, you seem to be a responsible person, but I suspect that many in USA do not care much about this, or we would not see such an impressive increase. It's out of control now in USA, and it will take a lot of patience and discipline to lower the progression rate.
Now imagine your few weeks in Colombia, in a rented apartment or hotel, with the possibility that someone reports the case to the health officers and you also receive an official notice to not go out of your room or receive guests. And no way to fly back home until tested negative two times. It's a nightmare, with the pending threat and bad thoughts every day "Now what happens if my conditions worsen?? Who will take care of me?"[/QUOTE]I self isolated actually even before my positive test.
When my symptoms came on strong, I was pretty sure I had the virus.
I live alone in a condo on the beach.
My family lives close by, they delivered anything I needed to my doorstep and left.
I read a lot, talked on the phone and texted a lot, watched lots of Netflix, Amazon Prime movies, etc, etc.
I did not want to pass it on to anyone.
If I had been in Colombia, I'm sure I would have made it thru the same.
Probably not as easily as in my Condo in the USA.
I've been hanging in Medellin for a long time now, and have many friends and contacts.
I don't believe the USA is full of irresponsible people who test Positive and don't care about passing it to others.
Probably more of asymptotic people, most likely younger, just wanting to live again and passing it on.
Bars reopening, protest crowds, etc, etc.
Who knows, I'm not an expert on it and certainly don't want to start a debate.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2463412]Oh, brother! Dead pets?
Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.
I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".
Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.[/QUOTE]Them durn "panic Democrats. " Jajajaja.
Using current infection numbers, the chance of encountering any person in Colombia who has, or would test positive for coronavirus is less than 1 in 800. That's assuming every person in Colombia is equally at risk. I'd figure any prepago as being higher risk, but let's stick with 1 in 800.
You get that number by adding up the number of new cases over the past 14 days. Since around 40% of all cases are asymptomatic, multiply the number by 1. 4, giving the approximate number of people in Colombia who are currently contagious. Remember, this number is still going up. Then divide the 50 million population of Colombia by the Roughly 65,000 contagious people and round 769 up to 800.
If you spend time with a working girl who is infected, your risk of being infected has to approach 100%.
Using current US statistics, 3.3% of the infected die. (Total known cases multiplied by 1. 4, divided by total known deaths). Or Current Colombia numbers show 2.5% die. But that number is too high, so let's drop it all the way down to 0.1%. I don't want to be accused of being a "panic Democrats" because I used actual numbers.
Let's make it even better. Even though your chance of getting the disease from 1 working girl in Colombia is 1 in 800, let's say only half the people kissing and spending an hour having sex with an infected person will become infected. Now using non-panic Democrat math, we're at 1 in 1600 mongers will be infected from any working girl encounter. And 1 of every 1000 of those infected will die.
Congratulations! By completely making up numbers, the chance of dying from COVID-19 in Colombia from seeing 1 working girl is 1 in 1. 6 million. That's amazing! By making up numbers and ignoring reality, we can prove there's almost no risk at all.
Good thing we avoided those pesky real numbers, because the real numbers show the current risk of COVID-19 death from 1 prepago session as 1 in 32,000. If you see 10 different girls in a week, now it's 1 in 3,200.
Of course neither case considers the individual monger. Young, strong immune system, no high-risk pre-existing conditions and chance of death goes way down. But spending a few weeks suffering doesn't sound fun. On the other hand, if the person is high risk, their risk of death starts at 1 in 1600. After 10 girls, 1 in 160.
Finally got numbers from the local nursing home I've written about a few times. Official number of resident deaths -18. Turns out there were fewer residents than I thought. 18 of 36 residents died from COVID-19. Knowing the area, I'm guessing at least 14 of those were avid Trump supporters.
[URL]Http://data.cms.gov[/URL] to find all the nursing home data, along with the disclaimers.
I guess I'm missing something, because I don't see a lot of panic from the Democrats. They look rather smug at this point.
I do agree with you on one thing, I think Trump should have all the rallies he wants. I'm willing to use taxpayer money to provide transportation to anyone who wants to go to a Trump rally. The best thing for the "panic Democrats" is to let Trump prove there is no need to worry about the coronavirus.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463688]... You get that number by adding up the number of new cases over the past 14 days. Since around 40% of all cases are asymptomatic, multiply the number by 1. 4, giving the approximate number of people in Colombia who are currently contagious. Remember, this number is still going up. Then divide the 50 million population of Colombia by the Roughly 65,000 contagious people and round 769 up to 800. ...[/QUOTE]Your numbers and calculations are really shady, but I don't expect any liberal to be proficient dealing with facts. What source did you use for the 40% asymptomatic number? There are various sources with a wide range of estimates. But going with that percentage, you don't multiple by 1.4 to get your base number. That's like saying 60 times 1.4 equals 100. You divide the number you have by 60%. Also, your assumption is that no asymptomatic person has been tested. Since less than 14% of those tested in Colombia have tested positive, my guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested. Rather than go through all those gymnastics, why not just use the number of active cases (less those hospitalized) and add whatever imaginary number you want for the asymptomatic cases?
The bottom line is that people will decide for themselves what they want to do. I have neighbors who will not go to a restaurant to eat, and others who will not even go out to buy food and supplies. They order everything delivered. Others go to restaurants almost daily and congregate with a group of people around one table.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2463751]No one is turning down $150 mil pesos for 2 hours. If you are crazy enough to walk around Parque Botero at 10 pm, have at it, I meet chics everyday that are not Botero rats, like Veronica, I met her in exito while shopping. No matter how you cut it, it all depends on what you want to spend. No matter how much you spend, these chicas are still located in Medellin! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.
I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.
However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.
If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.
Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.
I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. Or you will claim that everyone in Medellin will do something. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make statements like that. Even you must realize that you don't know every single woman in Medellin. How can you possibly speak for all of them?
Pre COVID-19, every night you could find girls in Gusto who wouldn't budge off of $200. There were also girls in La Isla (not to be confused with Las Islas, the strip club) who wouldn't come off of $300. It's simple. They don't need the money. They aren't hooking to pay the bills. They've got jobs or family keeping them comfortable. Selling pussy is just a way to get something extra and maybe make a beneficial connection.
Many of them still have jobs. Many of them don't want to come out and go straight to some apartment. They want dinner and dancing and then to end up in a penthouse apartment at 3 am. They want to be in a place where they can take 30 selfies.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2463731]Your numbers and calculations are really shady, but I don't expect any liberal to be proficient dealing with facts. What source did you use for the 40% asymptomatic number? There are various sources with a wide range of estimates. But going with that percentage, you don't multiple by 1.4 to get your base number. That's like saying 60 times 1.4 equals 100. You divide the number you have by 60%. Also, your assumption is that no asymptomatic person has been tested. Since less than 14% of those tested in Colombia have tested positive, my guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested. Rather than go through all those gymnastics, why not just use the number of active cases (less those hospitalized) and add whatever imaginary number you want for the asymptomatic cases?
The bottom line is that people will decide for themselves what they want to do. I have neighbors who will not go to a restaurant to eat, and others who will not even go out to buy food and supplies. They order everything delivered. Others go to restaurants almost daily and congregate with a group of people around one table.[/QUOTE]I always thought math was a required subject. I didn't realize I could have skipped those classes. This is hilarious.
If the price of a clue is $1 and the price goes up by 40%, what is the new price of a clue? Let's see. 40% of $1 is 0.40. Add 1 and the new price is $1. 40. Or you can just multiply 1 by 1.4 (1 represents the original price, because any number multiplied by 1 returns the same number, and the. 40 represents the increase of 40% because 40% in decimal is 0.40). That's 6th grade math.
If we do it your way, increasing the price of a clue by 40%, starting at $1, we divide $1 by 0. 6 and we get $1. 67 (1.6666666666). But why not! Let's do it your way. That means instead of 65,000 contagious people we have 76,820, or 1 of every 651 people in Colombia are contagious. Your method actually makes it look worse.
You really should go to the trouble of doing the math rather than just scoffing at it.
As for asymptomatic cases as a percentage of total cases, I got that here.
[URL]https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/06/30/whole-town-study-reveals-large-percentage-of-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases/[/URL]
Unless you're testing completely randomly, and testing a high percentage of the population, the number of positive test results for asymptomatic cases has little effect on the total.
Your guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested? Are you fucking serious? We've already seen that your math skills should be sending you back to 5th grade. Now let's look at your reasoning skills.
Let's say you live up in La Milagrosa. You're probably going to have to go all the way to El Centro to get tested. You have no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever, it's either a long walk, or you have to pay for a ride. You think the average asymptomatic Colombian is rushing off to a clinic to get tested. You seriously believe that? I wish I had met you when I was in sales. I'd have retired at 30 off of you.
Your conclusion is apropos of nothing. I never said people wouldn't do what they want to do. People are generally stupid. Heck, some people try to teach math when they A. Don't understand it, and be. Don't realize their answer is worse than the answer they're arguing against. People in groups are even worse. I'm assuming you've never been one of a group of 7 people who decided that off roading, drunk, in the mountains of Idaho, at 3 am was a good idea. Neither have I, but I know 7 people who thought it was a good idea, right up to the point where they were upside down.
If you wanted to stay in Medellin, you should have stayed in Medellin. Arguing that someone who decided not to stay in Medellin should have stayed in Medellin, because your neighbors eat at a restaurant is insane.
The last time you decided you were going to pick a fight with me you went away and licked your wounds for 2 months. You really need to do a better job of picking your battles. I've got nothing against you, but if you want to come at me, you're going to need to work on your skills.
Divide by 60% to show a 40% increase. Jajajaja.
I told you it was going to be hilarious!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463788]As for asymptomatic cases as a percentage of total cases, I got that here.
[URL]https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/06/30/whole-town-study-reveals-large-percentage-of-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases/[/URL]
Unless you're testing completely randomly, and testing a high percentage of the population, the number of positive test results for asymptomatic cases has little effect on the total.
Your guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested? Are you fucking serious? We've already seen that your math skills should be sending you back to 5th grade. Now let's look at your reasoning skills.
Let's say you live up in La Milagrosa. You're probably going to have to go all the way to El Centro to get tested. You have no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever, it's either a long walk, or you have to pay for a ride. You think the average asymptomatic Colombian is rushing off to a clinic to get tested. You seriously believe that? I wish I had met you when I was in sales. I'd have retired at 30 off of you.
If you wanted to stay in Medellin, you should have stayed in Medellin. Arguing that someone who decided not to stay in Medellin should have stayed in Medellin, because your neighbors eat at a restaurant is insane.
The last time you decided you were going to pick a fight with me you went away and licked your wounds for 2 months. You really need to do a better job of picking your battles. I've got nothing against you, but if you want to come at me, you're going to need to work on your skills.[/QUOTE]I don't argue with fools, and you are one of the biggest fools on this board. Just to prove it, if 100 people in a village have the virus, and through random testing, 60 people test positive. You do not add 40% to the 60 to determine the number who have the virus, but that is what you did. Can you cite any study that says asymptomatic cases are 40% more than the actual count of cases?
If you live in La Milagrosa, chances are you do not have the virus. So no need to go downtown to be tested. I believe the people of Colombia are rational enough that if someone in their household, or someone they are hanging around with has the virus, they will go get tested.
You are trying to be Adam Schiff again. You can't find anywhere that I argued about staying in or leaving Medellin. But fools keep repeating something that is untrue thinking others will eventual believe them.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2463938]I don't argue with fools, and you are one of the biggest fools on this board.[/QUOTE]And yet here you come again to argue with me. Either I'm not a fool, or you do argue with fools. You literally couldn't complete one sentence without fucking up. This looks to be another side-splitter.
[QUOTE]Just to prove it, if 100 people in a village have the virus, and through random testing, 60 people test positive. You do not add 40% to the 60 to determine the number who have the virus, but that is what you did.[/QUOTE]I notice you edited out the math lesson. Why is that? Shall we revisit that again?
You also failed, and keeping true to form, failed miserably, to understand the meaning of "testing a high percentage of the population. " Do you hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer before responding, or is this a chronic condition?
If you have a population of 100 infected people and and you have 60 people testing positive. Hang on a second. There's so much stupidity in your comment I need a few seconds to absorb it all.
Okay let's try this again. If you have 60 positive test results in your village, how do you know you have 100 infected people? What is the overall population of the village? What percentage of the population has been tested? How do you randomly find 60% of the infected population through random testing? Do you not understand search algorithms? Now if 100% of the population is positive, and you randomly test 60%, that will work. But if 1%, 5% or even 25% is positive it's statistically impossible to identify 60% of the positive cases randomly.
You also have failed to learn from the earlier math lesson. 40% of 60 is 24. Adding 40 to 60 is a 67% (66.66666666666) increase. Again, you not only fuck up the elementary school math, but you come up with an answer which is worse than the correct one. Surely you have a calculator app on your phone.
How did you ever become employed? How have you ever earned a paycheck in your life, other than by picking up garbage if you can't do basic math? If you had done it correctly, 60 positive test results, through directed testing, would indicate 84 contagious people. Anyone who made it past 6th grade should be able to calculate that for you.
[QUOTE]If you live in La Milagrosa, chances are you do not have the virus. So no need to go downtown to be tested. I believe the people of Colombia are rational enough that if someone in their household, or someone they are hanging around with has the virus, they will go get tested.[/QUOTE]Can you wipe this one off and soak it in bleach? Because this came straight out of your ass.
In your earlier fiasco you said that you believed almost all the asymptomatic people in Colombia have been tested. Now you're saying there's nobody who is asymptomatic being tested. I'm beginning to think you don't know the meaning of the word "asymptomatic. ".
What scientific method did you use to determine the low risk of infection in La Milagrosa? Do you even know where La Milagrosa is?
You believe the people of Colombia are rational enough? I'm not accepting your credentials to determine rationality of a population. You're the guy who began his post with:
1. A claim you don't argue with fools.
2. A claim that I was a fool.
3. An argument with me to prove the first point.
Your "rational" street cred is lacking.
I believe the people of Colombia are just like everyone else. If they are not sick, they don't go to the doctor.
[QUOTE]You are trying to be Adam Schiff again. You can't find anywhere that I argued about staying in or leaving Medellin. But fools keep repeating something that is untrue thinking others will eventual believe them.[/QUOTE]If you don't know what you are responding to, you should probably go sit in your corner and sulk. My response, which you decided required a demonstration of your inability to do basic math, was in response to a post that openly scoffed at another member's decision to return home rather than stay in Medellin at the start of the shutdown. If you're trying to defend the person scoffing at a person for leaving, you're supporting the acceptability of scoffing at someone for leaving.
I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing at your math.
Let's say you go into a restaurant, and (only because I realize it's impossible to get you to understand this without the simplest numbers) the check is $100. The food was excellent, as was the service and you decide to leave a 20% tip. You multiply 100 by 80% to figure the tip and add $80 before you sign the receipt. Right? The waitress' must love seeing you walk through the door. "Seat him in my section and I'll give you $20. This guy always tips 80% even though he says he's tipping 20%.
The way I do it, multiply 100 by. 2, add $20 and write that down. My 20% tip on $100 miraculously comes out to be $20. Your 20% tip turns out to be $80.
Keep them coming! Now I know why you went with Fun Luvr. You are cracking me up.
That's not right. Where the hell is your trainer? Why hasn't he thrown in the towel? Why hasn't the referee stepped in? Stay down man. Stay down.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463771]All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.
I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.
However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.
If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.
Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k..[/QUOTE]Lots of respect to both PN and JjBee62 and just don't get the rants like this one above, makes no sense to me, just remember that we all have different slants and opinions and experiences, not all are true all the time nor not all are un-true all of the time just different.
Just my general statement is that who cares the reasons why a woman sells her pussy, be it to feed her baby at home or to buy a new outfit, everyone has a price and you can market it and package it in different ways but in the end they sell pussy, and thank god for it, hehehehe.
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463771]All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.
I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.
However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.
If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.
Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.
I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. Or you will claim that everyone in Medellin will do something. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make statements like that. Even you must realize that you don't know every single woman in Medellin. How can you possibly speak for all of them?
[/QUOTE]PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2464036]PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.[/QUOTE]If you use an objective standard, such as value for money.
None of this "eye of the beholder" or everyone "rolls differently" bullshit flies.
Only 1 place is better, I can't say which, I haven't arrived yet, but I can tell you now.
One is a joke and one is the place to be, that's not just a matter of opinion.
All variables considered, one is PRIME the other is less than.
What makes it so, if you took 1000 random mongers and let them vote, that would give you an idea.
If there are 2 or 3 weak mongers than pick 1 over the other, their opinion is shit.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463771]All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.
Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.
[/QUOTE]La Vane continues to quote 230 mil minimum for the girls I'm interested in. Under the circumstances I always have to pass. Their service is often a bit too "pro' anyway.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463771]All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.
Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.[/QUOTE]You should do a better job thinking in the forum. He says girls will take 150. Then you challenge him to go through a middlewoman and get the same price of 150. Common sense tells us there will be a markup with each additional person involved in the transaction. If the farmer sells it for 150, I am not fool enough to go to the grocery store and think I can get it from them for 150 as well, when they bought it from the farmer for 150, had to transport it to the store, and had to pay for a space to keep it.
To get it cheapest you go to the source, which in this case is the girl with the actual pussy to sell. That is why if you do go through some agency or whatever the first time, you get the chick's contact info so you can deal with her directly for cheaper than it would be involving the agency.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2464036]PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.[/QUOTE]I agree, there is no way I will session in el centro, it's just not my scene. There is no way anyone can ever convince me that Poblado is worse than centro, or paying 1 million pesos for a night with two of my favorite girls is too much. I also will forever treat all my girls with respect and be as generous as I can, for me, it's not a weakness. Anyways, this is just me, others are necessarily different from me, no point to argue over other people's life style.
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The Truth Hurts, but Oh Well
Allow me to help you with something on the thread, trust me, you superiority complex. Superiority complex is an informal term related to the DSM-IV-TR diagnosis grandiose delusions. Superiority complex is either developed from a defensive need to overcome inferiority or constant overwhelming feelings in which an individual feels truly superior to others.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2463954] Do you hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer before responding, or is this a chronic condition? There's so much stupidity in your comment I need a few seconds to absorb it all. How did you ever become employed? How have you ever earned a paycheck in your life, other than by picking up garbage if you can't do basic math? [/QUOTE][QUOTE=JjBee62;2463954] I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. 2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero. 4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? [/QUOTE]I will leave well enough alone for now. You are blind to your mal-behavior and superiority complex. Your way is not the only way, its just the only way that you know. Here's a really great question, how in the world would you be able to meet other mongers and feel comfortable after all of the harsh statements you make on the board? Like you said, If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero. All of the BMs are men and grown, you cannot take back what you have written. I hope one day before it is far too late, you learn to address your audience with some simple respect. You are hurt, broken, and bitter, and most of your post shows that by words that you write, but if its all that you know, its all that you know. Only an inferior individual with something to prove would care about trying to impress a 3rd world chic with a first world penthouse, especially when you don't own a penthouse yourself. Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2463988]Lots of respect to both PN and JjBee62 and just don't get the rants like this one above, makes no sense to me, just remember that we all have different slants and opinions and experiences, not all are true all the time nor not all are un-true all of the time just different.
Just my general statement is that who cares the reasons why a woman sells her pussy, be it to feed her baby at home or to buy a new outfit, everyone has a price and you can market it and package it in different ways but in the end they sell pussy, and thank god for it, hehehehe.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Call it "journalistic integrity."
Let me start by saying I enjoy PN's reviews. I usually find them entertaining and look forward to them. I have no personal animosity towards him and would happily sit down and discuss our separate experiences over a beer, or two. Like most of the guys I've met, he's probably alright.
It's when someone is constantly throwing out superlatives, that gets under my skin. "Nobody in Medellin is getting paid that kind of money", Every woman in Medellin will accept this price. ".
Those things are about as true as saying every man can dunk a basketball over Anthony Davis.
Finding a woman in El Centro is not the same process as finding a woman in Poblado, Laureles, Belen or Envigado. The price isn't the same either. Some people prefer El Centro and I think that is great. I love spending time in El Centro. Some people prefer Poblado, Laureles or Envigado. I think that's great too. There are things about these areas I love as well.
You're missing out if you haven't eaten at Salpijugos in Envigado, not to mention Classic Diner or El Museo Moto Blanco. El Castillo Museo in Poblado is a great way to spend a few hours. Or go race the Xtreme carts on the bottom level of the Santa Fe mall parking garage. There are also plenty of great little restaurants in Laureles, although I like walking around the Estadio the best. In one day you can watch skateboarders, cheerleaders, martial arts, cheerleaders, basketball, cheerleaders, volleyball, cheerleaders, gymnastics and a local soccer match, all for free. If you get hungry there's dozens of food options that are ridiculously cheap considering they are at the premier sports facility in Medellin. Plus, Energy spa is right across the street.
I'm not the typical monger. I don't go to fuck. I go to experience and enjoy. While I'm doing those things, I also take the time to fuck. It might be a girl at the lowest strip club in Medellin, where I've never seen a girl strip, but where I have always found at least one fuckable girl (and I've never seen more than 5 girls in the place). It might be with one or two hotties at Motel Ibiza.
I appreciate the guys who only do street girls, the guys who only do casas, the guys who only do Gusto girls, the guys who only do Facebook and all the other guys dedicated to their source. It means if I need advice, or I know someone who needs someone to show them the ropes, I know where to send them.
I don't appreciate as much the guys who insist their way is the only way. The guys who insist everyone should pay the same price, do the same things, play the same way. We're all different, we all should have the freedom to pursue the 2 legged happiness dispensers in our own way.
Like I said "journalistic integrity". Or it could be I'm just an asshole.
The (other) Tall (but not quite as tall) Man.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2464036]PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.[/QUOTE]I understand that completely. I don't try to convince anyone they need to change their way. More of the opposite. I've taken a few different guys to cruise El Centro, or to visit the strip clubs. I've also pointed a few guys towards Facebook and other sources.
I can view it from his perspective and I accept that El Centro IS paradise to him. I think that is fabulous. However, is it unrealistic to expect everyone else get the same consideration? Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.
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[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2464040]If you use an objective standard, such as value for money.
None of this "eye of the beholder" or everyone "rolls differently" bullshit flies.
Only 1 place is better, I can't say which, I haven't arrived yet, but I can tell you now.
One is a joke and one is the place to be, that's not just a matter of opinion.
All variables considered, one is PRIME the other is less than.
What makes it so, if you took 1000 random mongers and let them vote, that would give you an idea.
If there are 2 or 3 weak mongers than pick 1 over the other, their opinion is shit.[/QUOTE]You keep using that phrase, "weak monger. " What's that? Are there "strong mongers" too? Where's the posted criteria for weak and strong mongering?
To me, weakness is the need to criticize the way other people choose to do their own thing. The only people whose mongering method I criticize are the people who feel the constant need to degrade the women. If their masculinity is so threatened by any woman, well they probably aren't wired to be on the driving end. Maybe "pegging" is a better hobby.
Here's my take:
It's my dick. It's attached to my body. All those blood vessels and nerve endings are only attached to my vascular and nervous systems. When I pop an erection, none of your blood supply is affected. When I bust a nut, no endorphins are released in your brain. What I do with my dick is of absolutely no concern of yours, unless you are craving my dick.
When I pay for sex, I use my money. It comes from my pocket. It was earned by me, performing my job. Never has it been money I borrowed from someone else. Whether or not I spent $2 buying a girl a Aguilar Light before taking her home, or whether I handed her 500 k before sending her home, it was all my money. Your bank balance will not be affected. You won't suddenly find yourself out of money. What I do with my money is absolutely no concern of yours unless you're upset that I'm not paying you to suck my dick and bust a nut on your face. If that's the case, sorry, not my thing.
If I manage to give a girl 6 orgasms over a few hours, does that make me weak? When she hits me up 2 weeks later and wants to come see me for half of what I paid the first time (it has happened), am I weak? When she passes my number to 6 of her friends (it has happened), am I weak? When she hits me up out of the blue just to tell me how much she misses me, how much she thinks about me and how eager she is to see me when I return (ditto), am I weak? When she wants to come over and just hang out because she's bored and lonely and doesn't want any money (I'm sensing a trend), am I weak?
If I spend 50 k more than you on a girl who is more attractive to me, am I weak? If I drop an extra 100 k on a girl who spends 6 hours with me instead of the 38 minutes you got, am I weak? If I'm spending the same amount as you for the same girl, but your date consisted of a quick fuck and cleanup and mine consisted of a nice dinner, a movie in one of Medellin's excellent theaters, complete with a blowjob in the back row, sex, cleanup, more sex, cleanup, a nap and more sex, am I being weak?
While there are plenty of women I wouldn't repeat with, I doubt there are many who won't repeat with me. Maybe I pay them more than you think they're worth, but it's my dick, my money. Maybe I put more effort into making sure they are satisfied, still my dick, my money. Maybe after spending time with me they aren't willing to come down to your price. Maybe after spending time with me they're unwilling to put in any effort for you.
Maybe you need to up your game and stop crying that the "weak mongers" are going to ruin it for you.
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I agree with everything you said except, slightly, that there is no way you will session in Centro. I learned years ago there is a lot of truth in the old saying of "never say never". Back to agreeing with you, I feel very strongly no amount is too much as long as the person paying it is OK with it after making an informed decision. The Medellin market is big enough to remain intact in spite of what happens on the low and high extremes of the payment scale.
[QUOTE=SJobs;2464123]I agree, there is no way I will session in el centro, it's just not my scene. There is no way anyone can ever convince me that Poblado is worse than centro, or paying 1 million pesos for a night with two of my favorite girls is too much. I also will forever treat all my girls with respect and be as generous as I can, for me, it's not a weakness. Anyways, this is just me, others are necessarily different from me, no point to argue over other people's life style.[/QUOTE]
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Amen, one of the reasons I really wish for a cure and / or effective virus treatment sooner rather than later is so guys will stop the aggro sniping that has gotten worse with every passing month. I suspect it is a symptom of extreme blue balls. We've all been there and I personally don't miss it.
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2463417]While I agree with most of what you say. Please everyone STOP posting your pathetic LAYPERSON opinions of Viral Illness. There are 1000 other forums for this non-sense! Likewise USA Politics. God, People, that's enough! If you are not here with us in Colombia sharing insights to lifestyle, Or asking focused questions on the topic. Please GO AWAY.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464236]You're missing out if you haven't eaten at Salpijugos in Envigado, not to mention Classic Diner or El Museo Moto Blanco. El Castillo Museo in Poblado is a great way to spend a few hours. Or go race the Xtreme carts on the bottom level of the Santa Fe mall parking garage. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. I damn sure won't miss out again.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464241]Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]It is definitely about the memories and having a good time. For a long tine I have been saying the same thing SJobs said in the other thread: Most of the price difference hinges on ambiance.
At this point I have been damn near everywhere and done damn near everything, so I am not excited (or willing to pay more) over ambiance. I have fucked so many chicks from crack hoes to porn stars that at this point it is just pussy to me and I don't have a reason to pay but so much for it. Besides the tons of free chick I fuck anyway.
I am guilty of usually reporting what price you can get a bare bones chick for. This means that you are only getting the chick. You will have to create your own ambiance how you see fit. You may catch this same chick out on a night full of ambiance at 3 or 4 times the price. But that is not my market.
As I said, for years I have been preaching that here in Thailand you can get the same girl for way less when they are not in some type of club with a middleman involved. But it seems some guys believe the girls in the clubs are hidden away somewhere during non-club hours and only surface when the clubs are in session. No. Those broads go out and eat and everything else that regular people do. As a matter of fact they are only country bumpkin farmers that someone has slapped some high heels, bikini, and makeup on. Don't know why they are seen as a spectacular feat.
(I was dating a chick in the Dominican Republic that showed me all kinds of pictures of her daughters. They were drop dead! Well when I was over to the house and met them, they were just some plain old seemingly shy chicks. I asked my girl about it. She said the pictures were the fixed up going out them. At home was the everyday them. For some reason guys don't want to admit there is no difference in the chicks you see walking around in the daytime and the ones at the clubs in the night. What makes the difference is the ambiance.).
Well with this lockdown in Thailand I was fortunate to meet a couple other board members. One is known for reporting about his exorbitant spending every night. With the lockdown in effect and the clubs closed, he was forced to adopt other methods such as the ones I use. These are meeting chicks on a website and cold meeting chicks on the street while out and about.
He found what I was saying to be true and reported it. He would run into chicks that he has paid at the club before, but now outside they only wanted 1/5 of what it was before. This guy has me laughing so much because he complains when the chicks show up as their normal selves. He wants to see them dolled up as he does in the club. I am the opposite because I want them to come over looking like their normal selves, no make up and shorts and flip-flops. He realizes that it is the ambiance and party atmosphere that he enjoys and is paying for, and not just the bare bones pussy as I like to pay for it.
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Let me guess you used to monger in Cocal
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464250]You keep using that phrase, "weak monger. " What's that? Are there "strong mongers" too? Where's the posted criteria for weak and strong mongering?
Maybe you need to up your game and stop crying that the "weak mongers" are going to ruin it for you.[/QUOTE]A weak monger is one that tries to impress 3rd world hookers, and gives them"respect" like they are their hs sweetheart, hookers are typically the dregs of their societies, proceed accordingly!
I will challenge you, I can get a much better looking hooker with better service than you can with less money than you in any city in the world, so up your game and stop trying to destroy the market.
Like the losers did in Cocal, now you want to destroy MDE.
Here is a repost from 05.09. 20.
My apologies if I offended certain mongers.
I believe there are exceptions to every rule.
If you overpay hookers and you are very old or in a wheelchair or missing a leg or 2.
I don't think you need to overpay but if you do, you qualify for an exemption from my contempt.
I don't think I'm old yet? LOL but most young (not all) hookers I have seen across the planet.
Actually say they love old guys, I'm guessing they don't think they are going to get slapped around if they get out of line?
Or they won't want to pound their pussy silly until 5 am? But if you are not old or disabled, I believe anyone that overpays is contemptible.
You are guilty of willfully trying to damage mongering for the greater good, the higher prices get, the less mongers there will be (I'm pretty sure they know this, and this is partly why they do it).
If you are not old or informed but are physically abhorrent and feel the need to overpay please don't write here and encourage others to do the same.
Too much is too much.
Only ugly guys like to overpay.
Real men never overpay.
Post-script I love the old guys, I plan to join that club soon enough LOL.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2464293]It is definitely about the memories and having a good time. For a long tine I have been saying the same thing SJobs said in the other thread: Most of the price difference hinges on ambiance.
At this point I have been damn near everywhere and done damn near everything, so I am not excited (or willing to pay more) over ambiance. I have fucked so many chicks from crack hoes to porn stars that at this point it is just pussy to me and I don't have a reason to pay but so much for it. Besides the tons of free chick I fuck anyway.
I am guilty of usually reporting what price you can get a bare bones chick for. This means that you are only getting the chick. You will have to create your own ambiance how you see fit. You may catch this same chick out on a night full of ambiance at 3 or 4 times the price. But that is not my market...[/QUOTE]This might be one of your best posts.
For me, it's the opposite. Although my numbers are not anywhere close to your numbers, I've fucked all kinds of girls in all kinds of situations. For me, it's all about the ambiance, because if it's just bare bones pussy, I've got 2 hands that don't expect to be paid.
I want something that I'll look back on and smile. I want to remember her name, or at least the tattoo I really liked. I want to be able to recall that high pitched squeak she let out when she orgasmed. I want to remember the claw marks on my back or the red hand prints on her ass.
I want to feel like something more than just ordering from McDonald's and using a coupon was accomplished. Here Is yesterday's example:
As I've reported, I've stumbled onto a nest of non-pros. Although I'm not sure that fits all of them. They almost all have jobs, are almost all University students, speak some English and are from good families. And almost all of them are either friends or family.
One of them is my Holy Grail. She's about as pure and innocent as you'll find in Medellin. She's never had an orgasm during sex and only has had sex a few times, but she's got some great fantasies and somehow I got her hooked on letting me help her with them.
One of the others, best friend of her sister hit me up. She's a Psychology student and a bit on the kinky side. I sent her a sample of the porn I've been writing. She immediately asked for more. So I made a deal. You send me videos, I'll send you stories.
At first the videos were sexy dancing, nothing more. She got to working in a few playful spanks with a belt. Nothing serious. Then I told her she needed to step it up, show me more. She said she couldn't do that and said maybe she would wear a see-thru shirt with no bra. Wrote her another chapter and got the nipples out, but the next round everything was covered. Said she couldn't bring herself to do anymore.
I wrote her an essay that tied in with the story I've been writing for her (and 5 other girls). The goal was to convince her to let loose of her inhibitions. She thought about it for a day and said she would try.
Yesterday she sent 20 minutes worth of video which ended with a vibrator in her pussy and an orgasm.
I could have bought slicker video from a better looking girl. I've done it. The amount of work and time I spent writing was worth more than the cost of videos. But I feel like I accomplished something. Now she's thinking about sneaking away from her boyfriend to come see me when I'm in town.
Each of us has our own motivations and price points. We all have different preferences. I see some pics on here that the guy raves about. And I think "you can get a better plastic toy with a Happy Meal. " I see other pics and can't believe my eyes.
I'm with you on the make-up. A little is okay, but if she needs a sandblaster to remove it, no thanks.
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Can you buy Hydroxychloroquine over the counter in Medellin?
I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464241]I understand that completely. I don't try to convince anyone they need to change their way. More of the opposite. I've taken a few different guys to cruise El Centro, or to visit the strip clubs. I've also pointed a few guys towards Facebook and other sources.
I can view it from his perspective and I accept that El Centro IS paradise to him. I think that is fabulous. However, is it unrealistic to expect everyone else get the same consideration? Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]It is not but it is unwise to keep going in the virtual world when you already said you understand. I love El Centro for various reasons but I also go to other places. I went to La Isla often because of the convenience and ambiance. I tried to drag PN to go with me once and it would be my treat but he would not go.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464306]One of them is my Holy Grail. She's about as pure and innocent as you'll find in Medellin. She's never had an orgasm during sex and only has had sex a few times, but she's got some great fantasies and somehow I got her hooked on letting me help her with them.[/QUOTE]I always think most of them don't have too much sex. They have sex young, but they don't have sex if they don't have boy friends. Some ask me to help with homework, LOL.
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2464259]I agree with everything you said except, slightly, that there is no way you will session in Centro. I learned years ago there is a lot of truth in the old saying of "never say never". Back to agreeing with you, I feel very strongly no amount is too much as long as the person paying it is OK with it after making an informed decision. The Medellin market is big enough to remain intact in spite of what happens on the low and high extremes of the payment scale.[/QUOTE]You are right, if I see a pair of 18-year-old Rihanna and Shakira selling threesomes in centro, I will session with them there in a heart beat.
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I can only assume you are a Trump disciple
[QUOTE=Lou32;2464318]I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2464302]A weak monger is one that tries to impress 3rd world hookers, and gives them"respect" like they are their hs sweetheart, hookers are typically the dregs of their societies, proceed accordingly!
I will challenge you, I can get a much better looking hooker with better service than you can with less money than you in any city in the world, so up your game and stop trying to destroy the market.
Like the losers did in Cocal, now you want to destroy MDE.
Here is a repost from 05.09. 20.
My apologies if I offended certain mongers.
I believe there are exceptions to every rule.
If you overpay hookers and you are very old or in a wheelchair or missing a leg or 2..[/QUOTE]Sorry, never been to Cocal. Keep trying. I already told you where to find me. You're welcome to come and follow up on your threats.
I understand. It's your opinion. It's the same opinion held by millions of men around the world. Not that the label "men" is appropriate. You know the type. They don't know how to handle a woman except to "slap her around. " They get upset if some guy actually talks to "their" woman, so they go and "slap her around" some more. They bluster and make threats, but in the end, all they can do is go find a woman and "slap her around."
My ex's sister, a LCSW dealing with domestic violence, said that most men like that turn out to have been sexually abused by a male authority figure at a young age. So, it's kind of sad. Not forgiveable, but sad.
I've never had a problem with women "getting out of line", especially not one I'm paying. Generally speaking, I don't even overpay. I average right at the going rate, for the pool I pick from. A few times I've tossed in a bonus. Why not? A girl comes over for 1 hour and stays for 6 hours, does everything I expect and more. Why not? I'm getting 3 sessions worth for the price of 1. I end up paying less, getting more and the next time she's working harder and staying longer.
The problem with you emotionally stunted boys that need to "slap around" women, none of you understand basic math, or have any reading comprehension skills.
Let's deal with the reading problem first. I've never said that I overpay. I simply have said, many times, whatever anyone else pays is their business. No mongering destination exists solely for your amusement. If the price gets too high for you, move on. If the girls get tired of being "slapped around" by you, move on.
Now let's try some math.
There are roughly 4 million people in the Medellin metro area. Probably more when you add in the Venezuelans and the girls coming from other cities. Figure maybe 300,000 Colombian men who at least occasionally go out and pay for pussy. How many mongers? The big monger parties I've been to pull in about 100 gringos if they're lucky. Maybe at most 2,000 foreign mongers at any one time. You can discount most of the ex-pats. The ones I know tend to stick with the going rate or below and can usually find plenty of free pussy.
Let's go nuts and say half over pay. That's 1,000 people overcoming the 300,000 natives who are paying less than the mongers paying gringo rates and overcoming the 1,000 mongers paying the gringo rates.
To destroy the market, the average overpaying gringo needs to pay 300 times what the average Colombian pays. Using casa rates of 50 k per 30 minutes, that comes to 15 million COP for a 30 minute session. 45 million for a typical Facebook girl.
Now if 50 gringos at the same time, started paying 5 million for girls in Parque Lleras, you'd quickly see a flood of girls hanging out in front of the Beer Factory. But after a few nights of the cops dispersing them and going home with nothing, they'll all return to their regular routine.
Unless you're in a environment limited to gringos, a small percentage overpaying has no effect. 5 guys staying at the Mansion could cause a few problems for the other guys for a few days, if they're paying 500 k each time. But 2 weeks later, after the guys switch to casas and strip clubs, the price settles back.
I'm not particularly ugly, although at least one monger has called me that. I usually get "tan guapo" from the women, including the ones that I'm not paying. I'm not physically deformed, although that's also been suggested (by the same monger), not in a wheelchair, missing limbs, have a disfiguring disease, a nasty skin condition or dirty fingernails. I'm not going bald in an unfortunate manner. Not going bald at all yet. Not even the beginning of a thin spot. Really, it's a fucking glorious head of hair, worthy of a shampoo commercial.
You may believe it's contemptible for some other guy to pay more than you think they should. I think it's contemptible to slap a woman around.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2464293](I was dating a chick in the Dominican Republic that showed me all kinds of pictures of her daughters. They were drop dead! Well when I was over to the house and met them, they were just some plain old seemingly shy chicks. I asked my girl about it. She said the pictures were the fixed up going out them..[/QUOTE]A chick I know usually doesn't wear makeup. Yesterday I saw her profile picture changed to one with light makeup. I went WOW. It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.
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[QUOTE=Lou32;2464318]I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?[/QUOTE]You do know that Hydroxychloroquine is an incredibly dangerous drug -- with side effects that can cause stroke and blindness-- right? I don't know whether you could find a pharmacy in Colombia that might sell it to you without a prescription. But there is no way you should be taking it except under a doctor's supervision.
Please stick to Viagra, not without risk of course -- they say you should call your doctor if you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, but I recommend calling an 18 year old Paisa instead.
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[QUOTE=IamLookin;2464430]I can only assume you are a Trump disciple
.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons nobody believed Covid was real was that it devolved into the typical partisan war. In fact, one writer called it the Trump virus. So this virus, which came from China and whom Biden thinks is not a threat BTW, was divided into people who care about it and people who do not.
Covid is VERY fucking real, and HCQ was studied for Corona Viruses treatment and found to be an effective treatment for said viruses way before Trump got into office. Now of course, HCQ, which is a cheap drug, is the most dangerous drug on the planet. In reality, it has been so safe that it has been around for 70 years and used for prophyaxis for Malaria and to prevent exacerbations of people having Lupus.
I made fun of someone who blamed Trump for his not being able to get laid in Colombia. Now TDS has reached that point again, having sex with hooker one time in Colombia, a literal one in a million chance of getting Covid, is near certain death as is using an incredibly safe drug.
The real reason Texas has been the epicenter of the Covid storm recently is that the governor allowed people to gather in mass numbers again, up to 500. Politically, he didn't want to tell people they couldn't go to church and even if they did, said that they did not need to wear masks. This was a huge fuckup. He was upset he let the bars reopen, but it wasn't just the bars, it was the churches where people spew the virus by singing.
The problem with HCQ and with dexamethasone with long term use is that they suppress the immune system. So in theory, by suppressing the immune system, you make yourself more vulnerable to infections. That is what Lupus is, the body attacking its own soft tissues with antibodies.
So it is a little bit more complicated than good drug, bad drug. In fact, you want to use immune boosters like Elderberry prior to getting infected. When you start to feel sick and Covid is diagnosed, then you chuck the Elderberry and especially ibuprofen and go with HCQ and dexamethasone. Since the virus spreads via ACE receptors in the lungs, it is probably a good idea to get off ACE and ARB blood pressure medications as long as Covid is around. Also, you normally want to push fluids with an illness, but doctors have found it better to keep people dry which probably has to do with keeping aldosterone levels low.
And if you do not understand any of this, then by all means, quit giving out political advice that is disguised as medical advice. Politics is what got us into this mess to begin with.
If I had my way, we would be doing all we could to shift the infection from the very old where it is deadly to the very young who rarely if every die. The isolation should be isolating the young from the old not from everyone. That would achieve herd immunity and a minimal amount of death. Now though politically that is not achievable, (you are for infecting the Children!!!) and the total count of those infected is being used against various governments around the world. It never made sense to shut down the schools.
So the treatment for Covid, complete destruction of the economy, has been worse than the cure because of the politics and probably will result in more deaths than the virus ever did.
I think Sweden was the model of common sense. If you look at the number of deaths overall and due to Corona, you can see the response to Corona was worse than the Corona itself.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105753/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden/
So now a corona death is a 100X worse politically than a death from cancer or heart disease and in Colombia, they have painted themselves into a corner. If they open things up now, Corona cases explode and the president will be vilified, so his only response is delay, delay, delay at least until after November. Then you will start to see stories about how the Corona threat was way overblown in terms of death and way under weighted in terms of going into massive debt and destroying the economy.
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[QUOTE=IamLookin;2464430]I can only assume you are a Trump disciple
.[/QUOTE]I'm not looking to get into yet another pointless, vapid, silly, childish political discussion that serves no purpose.
I'm only wondering if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2464482]You do know that Hydroxychloroquine is an incredibly dangerous drug -- with side effects that can cause stroke and blindness-- right? I don't know whether you could find a pharmacy in Colombia that might sell it to you without a prescription. But there is no way you should be taking it except under a doctor's supervision.
Please stick to Viagra, not without risk of course -- they say you should call your doctor if you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, but I recommend calling an 18 year old Paisa instead.[/QUOTE]I wasn't asking for advice about the efficacy of the drug. I merely wished to know if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2464476]A chick I know usually doesn't wear makeup. Yesterday I saw her profile picture changed to one with light makeup. I went WOW. It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.[/QUOTE]There are some women that are completely transformed by makeup. I know a couple of professional make-up artists in Colombia and often the before and after look like 2 different people.
I prefer the ones who can spend 45 seconds in front of the mirror and look perfect.
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[QUOTE=Lou32;2464579]I'm not looking to get into yet another pointless, vapid, silly, childish political discussion that serves no purpose.
I'm only wondering if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Why? Do you have lupus? Are you trying to deny someone with lupus who actually needs the medicine the right to have their treatment by buying it up?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464555]One of the reasons nobody believed Covid was real was that it devolved into the typical partisan war. In fact, one writer called it the Trump virus. So this virus, which came from China and whom Biden thinks is not a threat BTW, was divided into people who care about it and people who do not.
Covid is VERY fucking real, and HCQ was studied for Corona Viruses treatment and found to be an effective treatment for said viruses way before Trump got into office. Now of course, HCQ, which is a cheap drug, is the most dangerous drug on the planet. In reality, it has been so safe that it has been around for 70 years and used for prophyaxis for Malaria and to prevent exacerbations of people having Lupus.
[/QUOTE]HCQ has not been shown to be an effective treatment for COVID-19. ONE study out of France suggested it has efficacy and it's more or less been debunked by a plethora of truly randomized placebo controlled trials. The French trial was observational and did not have appropriate controls. With respect to it's safety, it can be a damn dangerous drug. Just because an agent has been around for 70 years and has been shown to be effective at treating certain conditions does not equate to safety. It's a risk benefit ratio where the risks are worth taking if the drug benefits the patient. Taking a drug with no proven efficacy one assumes all the risk with no potential benefit. I'm an infectious disease doc (25 years) and I can't even remember the last time I considered prescribing HCQ.
Stirling.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2464476] It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.[/QUOTE]Very true! Check this:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXbVG0cDqBE[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Stirling;2464749]HCQ has not been shown to be an effective treatment for COVID-19. ONE study out of France suggested it has efficacy and it's more or less been debunked by a plethora of truly randomized placebo controlled trials. The French trial was observational and did not have appropriate controls. It's a risk benefit ratio where the risks are worth taking if the drug benefits the patient. Taking a drug with no proven efficacy one assumes all the risk with no potential benefit. I'm an infectious disease doc (25 years) and I can't even remember the last time I considered prescribing HCQ.
Stirling.[/QUOTE]Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?
This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext
Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.
We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.
It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?
Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.
The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464761]...Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work...[/QUOTE] Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.
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[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2464780]Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.[/QUOTE]"What we found is that of those patients treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 13% overall mortality; in the patients that were not treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 26% mortality," said Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of Henry Ford Medical Group.
SOURCE:
[URL]https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-says-their-study-found-hydroxychloroquine-helps-lower-covid-19-death-rate[/URL]
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[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2464804]"What we found is that of those patients treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 13% overall mortality; in the patients that were not treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 26% mortality," said Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of Henry Ford Medical Group.
SOURCE:
[URL]https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-says-their-study-found-hydroxychloroquine-helps-lower-covid-19-death-rate[/URL][/QUOTE]It's probably going to be ignored that it should only be used in a hospital setting and at the proper time during treatment. There's nothing there suggesting it should be used to prevent infection, or outside of a hospital.
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[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2464780]Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.[/QUOTE]There is a certain portion of the right wing which believes Trump is the world's foremost expert on anything Trump claims to be the world's foremost expert on (except he says " I probably know more about blank than anyone" he does this roughly once every 10 days.
If he said sticking a live tarantula up your ass daily was the best cure for erectile dysfunction, a week later we'd need a "Finding tarantulas in Colombia" thread. There would be arguments over whether it's better to insert the tarantula in the morning, or 30 minutes before sex. Debate would rage over Colombian vs Mexican tarantulas, or even US tarantulas. And someone would link the news story about the guy who substituted black widows.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464761]Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?
This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext
Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.
We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.
It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?
Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.
The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.[/QUOTE]Dems are very afraid that it will work, because when you have an effective treatment available. More or less they see it as a threat to their immense desire to prolong the situation. To move down the goalposts every couple weeks. Because every time progress is made or good news breaks, it's just amazing timing that mainstream media will talk about surges, ignore what counts a case, faulty data, faulty testing (a very real issue), criticize any treatment that is reported to be working in many parts and is backed up by many doctors. To be blunt, this is sadly a very political issue now and it has been for at least. Since April / May. Now it's just keeping everything closed, using it as justification to allow mail-in voting and we know how that works.
Any good news being reported? It will last a few hours or be largely ignored, and then protests! Or a shooting, or {insert distraction here} you name it! And a lot of people are recognizing this now, still not quite enough. But a lot. And it's incredibly sad that the liberals are showing their true colors and intentions. Covid is real, the pandemic is not. You look at reality and try and reconcile it with the things that are being said on the news, and more and more people are starting to see something isn't right here. And that's because there isn't. I know 4 people that have tested positive, 2 had a slight fever, cough, and feeling tired. So typical flu symptoms. 2 were asymptomatic and shocked when they tested positive, have felt 100% healthy and only had to take the test to be able to return to work.
The strategy these days for the left since March. Put out a death estimate, wait 2-3 weeks. Add xx,000 to the previous number, add 1-2 months and repeat. In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November. At some point you just have to wonder, do they think we haven't figured it out, or won't be able to? People are tired of the negativity and want to get back to normal, not the "new normal" the old normal that can be improved upon when it comes to health. And Dr. Fauci has been wrong every single time since March, even he looks like he wants to just move forward because he doesn't like to be wrong.
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How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.
[URL]https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2464850]How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.
[URL]https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/[/URL][/QUOTE]+1.
Medellin seems to be the only last vestige of guys having sex with girls on ISG and I come here to live vicariously during the draught. More fucking and less of the rest. I beg you! 🙏.
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[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2464780]Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.[/QUOTE]Jesus, that post is the definition of TDS.
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[QUOTE=Puntz79;2464844]In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November.[/QUOTE]As of today, July 8, it is 134,027 deaths in USA (including those who take chloroquine or bleach) and 547,632 in the world.
3 M detected cases in USA over a population of 328 M is less than 1%, so there is still a big improvement margin available for Dem plots and fake news.
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[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2464850]How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.
[URL]https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/[/URL][/QUOTE]Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.
When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.
In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. ".
By the way, I am actually with two Colombians right now in Mexico, and Covid ruined this trip. Neither of these two was my first choice. My first choice was thrilled to come and then had a panic attack about Covid prior to getting on the airplane from Mexico City. The reason I invited these two is that I hoped one would show up, but they both did. Everything was great the first day. We were having fun and then one gets a phone call and learns her family has been hit by Covid. She feels guilty about having a good time and has to go back to CDMX to meet with a lawyer and find a way to get home to her family RIGHT NOW. She thinks her 50 year old mother is as good as dead. Gee, I wonder why she would think that? She is inconsolable. Her mother is going to die.
So one says she has to leave. Then the other says "Well, I have to leave too then. " I tell them fine but you are getting half of what we agreed on. They are beside themselves, but I hold firm. This is how bad things are: hookers want Covid severance pay.
So I am sorry dude, but this is what the world has come to. I saw the same thing happen with AIDS. A bunch of gays got into government and realized that the only way they could get AIDS funding was to scare the shit out of straight people and man did it work. Even today, some people think that having straight sex without a condom means you are going to get AIDS and die.
The bigger girl in the picture is a boxer. She has zero body fat and is a helluva roll in the hay. The skinnier one was not as good but was decent company. But now thanks to Covid hysteria, I can't have decent sex with a Colombian in Mexico.
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Yeah, me too, I come here to take a break from the girls. It's not fun to sort through all the political neuroses. There are more than enough places on the Internet for guys to get that out of their systems. It's boring, especially the clumsy ploys to steer any and every conversation to the beliefs that make them comfortable. Please take it someplace else.
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Medellin seems to be the only last vestige of guys having sex with girls on ISG and I come here to live vicariously during the draught. More fucking and less of the rest. I beg you! 🙏.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464881]Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.
When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.
In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. "..[/QUOTE]I'm not saying she's fat, but apparently we can add "body fat" to the list of things you have zero understanding of. I can see a reasonable amount of body fat in that picture.
Let's start with AIDS, since you've been incredibly stupid about that many times now.
Back in 1984 AIDS was becoming a hot topic. I remember guys asking if it was possible to get it from a mosquito which had bitten an infected person. I saw a lot of hysteria, the same as from the Legionnaire's disease outbreak from a few years earlier.
Early in 1988 I met my wife. Once we were dating she took me to the place where she volunteered. She was an artist and volunteered at an Art Therapy group for people with life threatening illnesses. It was called "AIDS, Art, Alive" and was started by a woman named Barbara Peabody. Her book "The Screaming Room" is an excellent introduction to what it was like to be the mother of one of the first AIDS patients. As you may have figured out, almost everyone in the group was a gay man with AIDS.
From 1988 to 1992 I volunteered along with her. I met most of the guys, heard their stories and watched them fade away and die. I watched the ones who came in having just been diagnosed as HIV positive and ones who came in just a few weeks away from being bedridden. Except for one guy, who had become infected through a blood transfusion, before they started screening for HIV, they had all been promiscuous, lots of partners, no condoms. And one by one they died.
You see, at that time HIV infection was a death sentence. Out of the 150-200 guys who came into the group, to try to cope with the emotional crap that goes along with knowing you're going to die and it's not going to be pretty, not a single one recovered.
However, by 1988 the gay community was taking responsibility to protect themselves. They were hitting the gay bars and bathhouses, handing out condoms, handing out literature and educating people on exactly what the risks were. And that information spread to the straight community as well. Condoms became mainstream. Instead of a taboo subject, condoms became dinner table conversation. And the number of cases began to fall. If not for IV drug users sharing needles, it would have almost disappeared in the US by now.
I remember John. Great guy and incredible artist. He was probably about 50. He only had 3 things on his bucket list. He wanted to reconcile with his mother who had not spoken to him since he came out as gay. He wanted to take a champagne balloon flight. He wanted to host a gazebo art show in his backyard for his friends and family. I remember talking to his mother who broke down crying several times. She would stand before one of his paintings and talk about how much she had missed. I remember John describing the view floating over Del Mar with his dearest friend. I remember the funeral was 3 weeks later.
Then there was David, mid 20's, a mousy little guy who had been a student of a Native American who was preserving his tribe's traditional pottery techniques. He was shy and quiet, but would talk once he got comfortable with you. I remember the day my wife said "I don't know how you will take this, but David told me he thinks you're handsome. I told her I was happy when anyone said I was handsome. I remember the day we learned he was gone.
I also remember the day when (I wasn't there that day) they voted and chose me to come and do live modeling for the group. In case you're wondering, I respectfully declined the request.
Yet it was all a hoax. Getting a few bumps on your dick because you're sensitive to latex is 1,000 times worse than the scores of barely breathing skeletons I personally said goodbye to.
Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.
No worse than the flu.
The CDC does not track the number of flu deaths. They estimate the number of flu deaths based on the number of flu and pneumonia cases. Cases, not deaths. And they include pneumonia, not just flu, but the estimate is for flu. Every year there are several estimates for the number of deaths, yet never an actual death count, even though they collect the data on the ILI database (Influenza Like Illness).
So to find out how many people really die from the flu, you have to go to every state and find the actual number of deaths. The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period, but if you break it down per capita, 131 is pretty low for a disease that's just as bad as COVID-19. Fuck. One little town of about 1300 people had 18 COVID-19 deaths. In the 50+ years I've been around that town I don't remember a single flu death. I've asked several people, and nobody else can either.
Just to make certain we're clear: That's 131 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as influenza. I don't know the current tally, but it's more than 2,650. That's 2,650 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as COVID-19.
I'm fairly decent with math. For diseases which are basically identical in severity, according to you, these numbers don't seem to be close. Must be a conspiracy, in a deep red state. That's it. When the facts don't match your fantasy, roll out the fucking conspiracies.
Of course those inconvenient numbers only tell part of the story.
We don't close every single school, every single year for the flu season. We don't cancel every large public event. We don't close every mall, every theater, almost every church, all bars, most restaurants, places of employment for millions of people. We don't wear masks and put up plexiglass shields and spray everything with disinfectant. We don't put marks on the ground 6 feet apart and control the number of people allowed in the store, or pay employees to sanitize shopping carts. We don't do any of those things for the flu and we still only had 131 flu deaths; slightly more than the number of murders for Indianapolis.
Yet, even though we did all those things, 2650+ COVID-19 deaths, in half the time. Yet it's "no worse than the flu. "
I understand where you're coming from. I used to drink heavily, so I can relate to your thought process. This is all very inconvenient to you. You can't go everywhere you want to go. You can't do everything you want to do. Your financial situation is possibly threatened. Your reaction is exactly the same as the drunk at the bar who has just been cut off. The problem isn't real. It's just a conspiracy. Deny, bluster, cry, throw a tantrum and then stagger off to find someone who will agree with you.
Eventually you'll either have to go crawl under a rock or come face to face with your bullshit. 10 weeks ago COVID-19 wasn't even as bad as the average flu season. A week later it was just as bad as the average flu season. Then it was no worse than a bad flu season, not as bad as the worst flu season, no worse than the worst flu season and now, nowhere near as bad as the worst pandemic in the history of this country.
You've gone from saying we needed social distancing to saying social distancing did no good, and now back to blaming the surge on relaxing social distancing rules.
And you spew out crap in order to make tenuous connections, anything to support your lunacy. Like the old study on the effectiveness of HCQ on viral infections. Halle-fucking-lujah. We're all saved! Apparently, every single fucking virus can be cured with HCQ. HIV? HCQ. HPV? HCQ. HSV? HCQ. Got genital warts? HCQ. Norovirus, rotavirus, adenovirus, measles, rubella, shingles, smallpox, chikungunya plus all the strains of Hepatitis. HCQ.
All along the only fucking thing we needed was to dose everyone with HCQ, 500 MG daily and we'd all be immortal. Forget the X-Men, the Avengers the Guardians of the Galaxy. We would all be part of the HCQ League. Fighting crime and fucking hookers.
Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?
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Just a flu update
My data connection in Canada sucks today, so I haven't been able to retrieve much flu data. However, for the first half of the flu season, California had only recorded 70 flu deaths. That number surged in January and February. However, we now know that coronavirus was there at that time. The surge was likely due to COVID-19 deaths being attributed to ILI (Influenza Like Illness) due to no testing and no expectation of coronavirus.
Even with the possible misassignment of cause of death, Coronavirus deaths greatly outnumber flu deaths.
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Numbers and Facts
World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.
[URL]https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/[/URL]
United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?
[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says[/URL]
[URL]https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty/hunger-and-obesity/how-many-people-die-from-hunger-each-year[/URL]
[URL]https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/quick-facts-global-hunger[/URL]
Deaths indirectly caused from the Corona virus in suicides 1. 6 million plus hunger-related 18 million = 19.6 million.
Domestic violence is going way up. The largest reason for divorce is not cheating but money issues. Divorces the next 2 years will skyrocket. Families will fall apart. Tens of millions of children will grow up scared of everything because they grew up in a time that germs are everywhere and everything you touch could kill you.
It appears most the people dying are older and people with other problems (high blood pressure, diabetes). You hear, "But my 12 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 230 pound kid was not healthy. He was obese!
You walk down the street, fall, skin your knee. Very superficial. Then swim in dirty water and get infected. The abrasion does not need to be deep. I swear 40% of the people I know smoke cigarettes, pot, or vaping. Your lungs are delicate. That is like falling down and get a small abrasion on your lung so it is easier to get an infection. Again, "But my 17 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 17 smoked pot 5 times a week after school and that kid is not going to admit that to his parents or doctor.
People screaming for a vaccine. We have that for the flu and still 1. 2 million die of the flu each year so do not hold your breath for that.
People screaming about we need to save everyone and that everyone's life is important. Sorry different lives have different values. The world does not have endless resources whether it be food, water, medicine, money,. There is a homeless person and a doctor drowning and you can only save one. Which one you saving? Next a 10 year old boy or a 60 year old man? Next two 19 year olds with one who is 300 pound and the other is a hottie? Different values huh?
There are 7.5 billion people on the planet.
If 1 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 013% and living is 99.98%.
If 10 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 133% and living is 99.86%.
I would rather takes those odds rather than lose my business, family (divorce), house, etc. I would rather die than be homeless.
The Government Accounting Office (GAO) estimated that the 2008 financial crises cost the USA Economy $22 trillion dollars. That is easily $30 trillion dollars worldwide which mostly just affected Europe, Singapore, and Hong Kong who all traded the bad stocks, funds, bonds, etc. The virus will triple this loss worldwide to $90 trillion because every country is effected and every single person will be effected in one form or another.
Value of each person's life or death.
$90 trillion divided by 1 million dead people = $90 million.
$90 trillion divided by 10 million dead people = $9 million.
[URL]https://www.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/financial-crisis-cost-gao_n_2687553[/URL]
Sorry but shutting down the worlds economy will be studied years from now and will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in history.
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Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!
With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464933]The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period.[/QUOTE]I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464933]Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?[/QUOTE]
If I am with them? Go fuck yourself. Are you getting laid right now, asshole? Making fun of my sex life when you don't have one? That is the definition of a pathetic loser.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465032]No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!
With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.
I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate..[/QUOTE]You are so predictable.
Sorry, I'm quoting from memory here, since Mojo deleted all the messages in the other thread. "80,000 people died from the flu. I'll take the under on 80,000 any time. " A few days later I posted I would take the over for $1,000. Several times I posted that would take the over for $1,000. Naturally you never responded, because it would have forced you to venture into reality. It's okay. I knew you would never stick with anything you said. Look at how many times you've danced away from your pronouncements on COVID-19.
For the record, since you're another one who can't handle basic math, 6. Those were my predictions. 6. Not 10.6. Only 6. And only 2 of them mattered. And the 2 that mattered were correct, within a reasonable margin of error.
Now. For the made-up flu numbers. I already posted links to 2 of them. Let's post links to a few now. Meanwhile, better take your HCQ. Looks like a cold sore is about to pop up. I'll see if I can find numbers and links for the states I've lived in. You can't do that, because denial isn't on the map.
Washington state: 245 lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019). 1395 COVID-19 deaths.
[URL]https://www.doh.wa.gov/DataandStatisticalReports/DiseasesandChronicConditions/CommunicableDiseaseSurveillanceData/InfluenzaSurveillanceData[/URL]
California: 588 Lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019) 6708 COVID-19 deaths.
[URL]https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/Flu-Reports.aspx[/URL]
Idaho: 58 influenza deaths (2018-2019) 98 COVID-19 deaths.
[URL]https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/Health/DiseasesConditions/Influenza/tabid/2505/Default.aspx[/URL]
New Mexico: 49 Influenza deaths (2018-2019) 527 COVID-19 deaths.
[URL]https://www.nmhealth.org/data/view/infectious/2263/[/URL]
Indiana: 113 influenza deaths (2018-2019) (131 for 2019-2020).
2732 COVID-19 deaths.
[URL]https://www.in.gov/isdh/22104.htm[/URL]
No made up numbers here. Although I did pull the COVID-19 numbers from Google, rather than JHU. They are not far off. I settled on 2018-2019 flu season because not all states have updated reports for 2020 and because the numbers should be free from COVID-19 misdiagnosis in January and February.
If you scan through some of the states, you'll find mentioned exactly what I said. They lump all pneumonia deaths with flu deaths because pneumonia is often a side effect of influenza. However, pneumonia is it's own disease and is a side effect of many things. This is where the CDC estimates are so far off.
As for AIDS, didn't need to make anything up there either. A simple search will provide you basic information on Barbara Peabody, her art and her books, including "The Screaming Room. " Looks as if the AIDS, Art, Alive program closed their doors in 1995, so can't provide much there. However, I really don't need to.
Why is it nobody seems to be able to do basic math? I say I saw scores of people die from AIDS and that means thousands to you? So when Lincoln said "Four score and seven years ago" he meant 4007 years ago? I always thought it meant 87 years ago. According to your math, the US was founded in 2144 BC? Damn, them history books were way off.
Sweden? Peru? Did I mention Sweden or Peru? I have made no judgements on Sweden, Peru, Zimbabwe, or any other country. I don't need to. All I needed to do was provide the actual numbers on Influenza deaths compared to COVID-19 deaths. Something anyone, including you, could have done. You don't even need to follow my links. You can go to Google and type it in yourself. I used "<state name recorded flu deaths 2019. " You could just search by state for "Influenza Surveillance report. ".
I love the way you cut out the stuff you can't deny when you quote people. All part of that cognitive dissonance.
I won't repeat all the times you moved the goalposts on your flu comparisons. I will repeat your social distancing flip flops. Got to go with whatever best fits your current "theory. ".
I never made fun of your sex life. I asked for clarification. In your post, which I quoted completely, without needing to cut out anything, you both claimed you were currently with 2 Colombianas and claimed that you weren't with 2 Colombianas because they both wanted to leave. I only want to know how that is possible. I mean if you're with someone, how can you not be with them? If someone leaves, how can they still be there?
But apparently your current sex life is a rather touchy subject. Mine is just fine. I'm getting the exact amount of sex I expect to get, every day and I'm extremely comfortable with that.
You might want to disinfect your screen. From the tone of your post, you clearly were foaming at the mouth when you wrote it.
Keep on demonstrating that mental stability which we've all grown to love.
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More on Influenza
From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:
"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2018-2019/Week20.htm[/URL]
Also from the CDC:
"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html[/URL]
The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k.
The CDC does not publish the actual, laboratory confirmed Influenza deaths. They do publish pediatric deaths, 111 for 2018-2019, only 137 for 2017-2018.
In comparison:
The cumulative hospitalization rate is 102.5 per 100,000. That comes to 336,000+ COVID-19 hospitalizations in the US since March 1. (Using the 2019 estimated US population of 328 million).
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html[/URL]
All the information you need is readily available.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2465147]From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:
"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2018-2019/Week20.htm[/URL]
Also from the CDC:
"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 20182019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html[/URL]
The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k..[/QUOTE]Correction:
There were 187 pediatric flu deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464761]Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?
This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext
Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.
We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.
It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?
Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.
The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.[/QUOTE]You're missing the point. ALL drugs have some degree of toxicity and we can live with some of those risks IF the drug has been shown to provide benefit to the patient. If there's no benefit, why would I subject a patient to any potential adverse effects. Chloroquine and HCQ were used for years to treat malaria because they were effective and the risk / benefit ratio made it worthwhile. No one has used these drugs to treat malaria for decades, virtually all Plasmodium spp. (malaria) are resistant and we have better more effective agents. Yes, HCQ is currently used to treat a number of rheumatological diseases because the drug has been shown to be very effective. As such, any risk associated with the drug is worth taking.
Dexamethasone, along with a number of other systemic steroids have significant side effects. And yes, we prescribe them, but only to patients we feel will significantly benefit from them. Steroids should never be prescribed lightly.
The paper you reference is 17 years old. It suggests that MAYBE, based on HCQ's mode of action, that it might provide some benefit in viral infections. It has been studied in a number of different viral infections since then and no statistical benefit has been found. The recent study by docs at the Henry ford hospital suggesting HCQ is effective in COVID patients is seriously flawed. This study was an observational study and anything but randomized. As well, patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with COVID. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with HCQ. The only agent so far to show any promise is remdesivir and even then the advantages appear slight.
Frankly, if HCQ was proven to work in these patients based on sound placebo controlled randomized trials, I would be the first to advocate it for my patients admitted to the ICU. I could care less who's idea it was. But until then, suggesting it is an effective treatment is foolhardy.
Stirling.
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2465000]World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.
[URL]https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/[/URL]
United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed your post, but there are 2 things I have huge problems with.
"will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. "
Can you please show your work on that? Have there been any recent studies showing suicide rate has tripled? Is there any historical evidence indicating that suicide rate increases threefold during financial crises? Same thing with hunger and poverty deaths. What methodology was used to determine death rate will more than triple this year?
This is just my gut feeling, don't take offense, it it really feels like you just made up those numbers when you said things will multiply by 3.
Made up numbers hurt us more than they help us. They cause us to improperly allocate our resources and circumvent the process of finding real solutions to problems.
Here's my other complaint with your post. Where were you last year? If suicide is something we need to consider in regards to the coronavirus, shouldn't we have been dealing with it last year? If poverty and hunger need to be part of the discussion, why didn't they matter last year?
This is something people frequently do. They choose a course of action then look for justification for their decision. Unfortunately, you just end up doing what you wanted to do,. Without really considering all the consequences.
Here's an example I've seen many times in recent years. Refugees. There are always refugees looking for a better life away from war, poverty and crime. When anyone mentions helping them, someone replies we have homeless veterans and hungry people already here, and we need to help them first. However, when you agree and ask how much money we should spend fixing our own problems, they don't want to help drug addicts and lazy people. The decision was pre-made, we don't want to help other people. The alternative was a justification, not a commitment to help.
I have nothing to back this with, just my observations, so probably not worth much. It appears to me, the people most worried and most vocal about the shutdown aren't the ones who are already in poverty. It's not the people who are already dealing with hunger. It's the ones who have never known hunger, who have never lived on the edge of desperation, who are worried.
You said it yourself, you would rather be dead than homeless. I've been there before, walking the very fine line between homelessness and being dead. You can see, I chose differently.
When you're struggling every day to put food on the table, when things get worse, you don't really notice, you tighten your belt and you struggle on. Instead of chicken with your rice 3 times a week, you get it once. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen arroz and huevo come up on Facebook recently. All those estrato 1 and 2 prepagos are saying "we grew up eating the bare minimum of food, we can live on it if we have to."
Meanwhile, the people who are used to hopping on a plane whenever they get an urge are lost. They've never had to face the hardship of sitting at home bored. They've never had a situation where they were told "you can't do that."
There is no denying the shutdown will have widespread economic impact. People will be impoverished, families will break up, there will be hardship, pain and depression. People will die, businesses will fail.
However, we've been through this before. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but our grandparents went through it. Sit down, while there are any left alive, with someone who survived the Great Depression. You won't hear stories of hopelessness and depression. You'll hear stories of pride and accomplishment. You'll hear about families and communities pulling together and overcoming hardship.
What you'll find, if you look, economies always recover (and there's huge money to be made in the recovery).
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464933] is this a Schroedinger scenario??[/QUOTE]Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.
The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465032]With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown.[/QUOTE]You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru. Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600, & Finland 329. All or doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it.
[URL]https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/sweden-s-grim-covid-19-result-more-death-and-nearly-equal-economic-damage-1.4300102[/URL]
Yes Peru had "total lockdown," by declaration, but widespread non-compliance and wholly inadequate enforcement. Of course a "total lockdown" is meaningless in that scenario. This by the way is the same problem in Colombia, especially in Bogota, and in many parts of the US as well.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2465471]Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.
The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'm aware of the contradiction. However, when I write I'm writing for myself. I enjoy the process of combining research with consideration to hopefully produce something either informative or entertaining. Although I'm certain my critics will say I fail in both areas.
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Depression.
Their is a strong correlation between boredom leading to depression. There is not a study for every damn thing and most studies are BS! This one is pretty much common sense really, if you have it. Nobody can go to a restaurant, movie, bar, gym, park, or visit family in retirement facility. Kids can not play with their friends and some will not see their friends if and when schools start up again. I remember being a kid out every day. I can not imagine what these kids are going through. People lost their retirement in the stock market, lost jobs, many about to be evicted. You are saying the current way of life is not boring you and / or causing you some depression? Even the super rich are effected in some form.
[URL]https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-link-between-boredom-depression.html[/URL]
Hunger.
With closed borders and ports many countries can not get the pesticides to kill one of the largest locust swarms on record. This article is a month old. Locusts are now in India.
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/africa/locusts/[/URL]
Many farmers and ranchers are having problems getting their products to market. Hard to get feed for their stock and seeds to plant. Many migrants can not move from state to state of country to country to ready the soil, plant the seeds, or harvest the product with borders and ports closed.
Suicide and the world economy. This will show up years from now.
JjBee62. You know girls were sending money to their families in Venezuela. Venezuela had it rough before the virus. How bad do you think it is there now? Twice as bad? Three times as bad? You think those girls are not depressed as hell that they can not help their families like they once could before? So many guys on this board thought they could come in July. Then August. Who knows when. You think they are depressed? Based on what I have read and heard I believe the United States is 3 times worse than when I left 4 months ago.
Now here is something else for you to worry about: Hand sanitizers!
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8511371/FDA-warns-against-new-hand-sanitizer-products-killed-permanently-blinded-people.html[/URL]
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Oxfam Hunger Report fresh off the press for JjBee62
As of today.
[URL]https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink-hunger-pandemic-coronavirus-threatens-push-millions-starvation[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2465503]You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru.[/QUOTE]It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."
The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?
Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html[/URL].
It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.
The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2465536]However, when I write I'm writing for myself.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think most people get that.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465597]It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."
The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?
Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Truer words are seldom spoken. Been following this discussion and agree spot on Elvis.
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465597]It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."
The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?
Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Strange.
You ask for numbers. I provide you numbers. Instead of addressing the numbers, all you can think about is me and my penis. Are you certain your sex life is going great? Because, I would think dreaming about me masturbating would be somewhere below the top 2 of things to do today.
No sense in a new post for your other one.
Why not ask around? Read the board. I'd be interested in a little informal poll. I'm always happy to read what people think about my writing, even when the reviews aren't overly kind.
How about it? Chime in and tell me.
1. Fuck off JJBee. I'm sick of reading your shit.
2. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it sucks, more bad than good.
3. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it sucks, more good than bad.
4. Generally it's okay, but you're still an asshole.
5. I love it! I can't wait to see more! (Your hangover is going to be epic).
While we wait for results, shall I describe whacking off for you? Just to help with the visualization.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465597]It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."
The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?.[/QUOTE]Not surprisingly you quoted my thesis statement but cut out / ignored my evidence that supported it. For the sake of the readers I'll post it again:
"Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600 (sic), & Finland 329. All are doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it."
That's a whole lot of senseless death as a result of a failed experiment that virtually every contagious disease specialist in the world warned against, don't ya think? Here is the source for the numbers, though I had a typo on Denmark, it's actually 609.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
And no, they are not part of some worldwide, every corner of the globe conspiracy to get Trump out of office, Rothchilds, New World Order, Moon Landing Hoax, Bigfoot, or even alien abductions.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/about/[/URL]
On the Irish Times recent article, published Thursday this week, a history of criticizing Trump hardly discredits a source. With all the silly things the latter says it takes a team of creative lawyers performing Houdiniesque gymnastics and abrupt departures just to try and break even with the press. Plus there are plenty of conservatives that oppose his isolationist trade policies. Regardless of the messenger though, the article was correct.
Your CNBC article was published in May and is old news. And a slight gain of 0. 1% in GDP is hardly worth boosting Sweden's body count 10 to 20 times higher than each of their Nordic neighbors (See above). But here's the new information. The Swedish national bank, Riksbank on July 1 published their forecasts for 2020 and expect a GDP decline, -4.5%, down from the 1.3% expected gain assessed back in February. Unemployment is expected to rise from the 7% assessed in February to 8.7. So is Riksbank cooking the numbers to pick on Trump? Your Swedish model is a done deal, and Norway and Denmark know this as Swedes are banned from tourism.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/sweden-cenbank-forecast/table-swedish-cbank-forecasts-key-rate-at-0-for-coming-years-idUSS3N2AC001[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52853556[/URL]
And yes, Peru has had a load of non-compliance with lockdown measures, as has Colombia and the US. That's all common knowledge. Lockdowns minus compliance aren't really lockdowns. That destroyed your thesis with the monumental reach, Sweden versus Peru before you ever got off the ground.
Now pick a short phrase from this post as a launching pad, ignore all the uncomfortable facts, and get to screaming about conspiracy theories and playing the victim for Trump by proxy. If you do that long enough maybe the facts you find so troubling will melt away, just like the virus was supposed melt away in the summer heat. How's it going over there in Texas?
P.S. Don't ever take on a debate in a formal and / or academic setting, unless you can handle getting loudly laughed off the stage. Stay right where you are. Heck you even got a few co-signers here. Impressive!
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2465607]Truer words are seldom spoken. Been following this discussion and agree spot on Elvis.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I'm sure that Elvis is pleased to have a "me too" reply or co-signer. But you are the guy that wanted to fight and whip all the Fase Dos bouncers at once, right? Gotcha amigo. Keep on truckin.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2465625]Instead of addressing the numbers, all you can think about is me and my penis.[/QUOTE]Everyone speaks on topics where he is feels stronger to provide arguments.
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2465581]Depression.
Their is a strong correlation between boredom leading to depression. There is not a study for every damn thing and most studies are BS! This one is pretty much common sense really, if you have it. Nobody can go to a restaurant, movie, bar, gym, park, or visit family in retirement facility. Kids can not play with their friends and some will not see their friends if and when schools start up again. I remember being a kid out every day. I can not imagine what these kids are going through. People lost their retirement in the stock market, lost jobs, many about to be evicted. You are saying the current way of life is not boring you and / or causing you some depression? Even the super rich are effected in some form.
[URL]https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-link-between-boredom-depression.html[/URL]
Hunger.
With closed borders and ports many countries can not get the pesticides to kill one of the largest locust swarms on record. This article is a month old. Locusts are now in India.
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/africa/locusts/[/URL]
Many farmers and ranchers are having problems getting their products to market. Hard to get feed for their stock and seeds to plant. Many migrants can not move from state to state of country to country to ready the soil, plant the seeds, or harvest the product with borders and ports closed.
Suicide and the world economy. This will show up years from now.
JjBee62. You know girls were sending money to their families in Venezuela. Venezuela had it rough before the virus. How bad do you think it is there now? Twice as bad? Three times as bad? You think those girls are not depressed as hell that they can not help their families like they once could before? So many guys on this board thought they could come in July. Then August. Who knows when. You think they are depressed? Based on what I have read and heard I believe the United States is 3 times worse than when I left 4 months ago.
Now here is something else for you to worry about: Hand sanitizers!
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8511371/FDA-warns-against-new-hand-sanitizer-products-killed-permanently-blinded-people.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I haven't bothered to chase down the survey, I only heard it mentioned briefly on the radio yesterday. Apparently, a majority of couples responded to the survey that the forced togetherness has improved their relationship, rather than worsened it. A majority also responded they had learned things about their partner.
My anecdotal evidence is something I began to notice back in April. I spend about 63 hours every week driving, more if there are backups due to construction, accidents, weather, or people simply being lousy drivers. I have an excellent point of view into the cars that pass me by. For several years I've complained that cellphones have taken the fun out of driving. Before the smart phone, couples on road trips got bored, which often resulted in them finding ways to entertain themselves. I kept track one year and about once every 4 days some woman would flash her tits at me. Occasionally they'd flash pussy or ass. I've had them drive alongside me for miles, tits out and fingering. Couples would drive along with the woman giving head, even fucking, which was impressive. Add it all together and if I was driving, I was almost guaranteed to see at least some good, old-fashioned road head daily.
That all disappeared when everyone began living with their phone in their hand. Once every 4 days dropped to once or twice a year. Road head? Almost completely disappeared. Even couples holding hands while driving became rare. In early April I noticed a trend. Even though traffic was way down, couples being affectionate were becoming common again. Haven't seen any increase in titty flashers, but road head I'm seeing about 3 times a week. Couples holding hands, or thighs has gone from a few times a week to about every hour.
If you're in a strong relationship, adversity tends to strengthen it. Weak relationships can go either way.
Overall, I don't see the depression going that bad right now. Suicide rate in the US rose by 35% between 1999 and 2018. Roughly 2% annually, although I doubt it is a smooth curve.
Certainly there will be an increase in suicides and some of the increase will be attributed to the shutdown. Any disaster is going to push some people over the edge. But a doubling or tripling of the suicide rate isn't likely. I'd be shocked if the rate for 2020 is more than 5% above 2019. However, we'll have to wait awhile, 2019 numbers aren't out yet. Here's an article that notes the likelihood of an increase, without being alarmist.
[URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-05-22/experts-warn-of-a-surge-of-suicides-tied-to-the-coronavirus-pandemic[/URL]
The current situation isn't boring me. It's affected my life somewhat, although not in a significant way. That's mainly because I'm self-supporting. Not just in the economic sense, but emotionally as well. I don't require outside validation. I've got several Colombianas who I talk to every day. Most of them will send me a picture or video. Afterwards they almost always ask twice if I liked it. That's twice after I already told them I liked it. They require that ego boost. I don't. That's also why flirting and complimenting the women works so well. Their self-worth is tied up with what other people think about them.
Don't get me wrong. I get a warm, fuzzy feeling when I get a compliment. But that's like dessert. I eat every day, but I seldom have dessert. It's great when I do, but I rarely go looking for it.
I imagine all the leisure classes are bored and somewhat depressed. They're the ones mostly affected by the shutdown. They can't jet off to Istanbul on a whim. They can't be out being seen, and having their pictures pop-up in the media.
The people who put in 40-60 hours a week aren't noticing. They're still heading to the lake on the weekend to do some fishing or boating. They're still handling projects around the house. They're still mowing the lawn and washing the windows.
Back in March, before the shutdown, I wrote about the weakness of the US supply chain. Our systems have been deteriorating for decades. Part of the reason is profit. We've cut regulations across the board, not because the regulations are unnecessary, but because they cut into profits. We've weakened every wall that supports our economy, because immediate gratification is more important than sustainability. If not the coronavirus, it would be something else coming along. Droughts, wildfires, flooding, extreme weather, locusts. We've decimated our ability to withstand adversity.
Look at the meat processing fiasco. Meat processing facilities should have been the least affected by Coronavirus outbreaks. These are the people who are actually touching the food that you eat. Shouldn't they have already been wearing masks, gloves, tyvek suits and frequently sanitizing everything? That used to be required. I know, I've done it. 2 pairs of gloves, disposable coveralls, plastic shoe covers, facemask, eye protection and face shield. Not anymore. All those things cost money, so we got the USDA to eliminate most of the requirements. If all those employees were so quickly able to spread the disease at work, just imagine what you've been eating.
You've pointed out all the effects of shutdowns, without recognizing the pre-existing conditions. The countries you listed have all been dealing with these problems for years. We haven't tried to fix them. In most cases we've made them worse. Once everything is opened back up, we're still not going to try and fix the underlying problems. The next disease, the next typhoon, the next war and we'll be in the same place.
I'll ask this question again. Where were you on all these issues last year? 10 years ago? Where will you be on them next year? Have you been calling your Congressmen telling them to normalize relations with Venezuela? Or Cuba? Have you been asking them to strengthen regulations which we need to protect our supply chain? Have you called for increased support of UN efforts to eradicate poverty, disease and hunger? Have you called for the US to open up our borders to more refugees?
You're pointing out all of these issues to support your position, without actually being in favor (I assume) of doing what's needed to address the issues.
I enjoy your approach. It's an appeal to reason. However, it comes off as a campaign speech to me. It approaches the problem from one side and assumes one solution. Shake hands, kiss babies and sign a few autographs.
But there's another side of the problem. It's still too early for a definitive statement, but it appears we're about to surge off the charts. I'm certain you're smart enough to recognize the increase in cases isn't from increased testing. We're well below reaching a saturation point, even if we did 100% random testing. 100,000 new cases per day? 4,000 deaths per day? These are possibilities and potentially conservative numbers. Imagine those numbers if we open up all the schools. What happens to the numbers when you combine the flu season with a coronavirus outbreak that's out of control?
Like it or not, the US is headed for another shutdown and it's going to be much worse than the first one.
I want this shit show over with at least as much as you do. If we had maintained the shutdown through July, we'd be looking at a much brighter picture right now.
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2465587]As of today.
[URL]https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink-hunger-pandemic-coronavirus-threatens-push-millions-starvation[/URL][/QUOTE]You'll get that. Every time there is any problem in the news, every one looking for donations sticks out their hand. The guy who I've seen begging every day for the past 8 months changed his cardboard sign to say "Lost job to corona. Please help. " Before the sign said "I could really use a beer. ".
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2465597]It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."
The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?
Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html[/URL].
It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.
The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.[/QUOTE]Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.
Flu Serve Net was set up in 2003, to collect data about influenza around the US. Data is provided by every state and territory health department, who get their data from count health departments, who get the data from the hospitals, doctors and labs. Part of it is the ILI Surveillance System (Influenza Like Illness). A useful tool, unless you're a useless tool.
Unfortunately, the information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020. It means that when George W. Bush pushed to develop a pandemic response, and when Obama built upon that, they did it knowing their efforts would be used to discredit Trump in 2020. Of course we also have to include the WHO and practically every government in almost every country, all falsifying everything in order to make Trump look bad.
Apparently, the "keep Donald Trump from saving the world" conspiracy, not only involves nearly 7. 5 billion people, they also have a motherfucking time machine.
I need to get onboard with that. I just recently saw that incredibly hot cheerleader from my high school days. She's pushing 300 pounds and looks hideous. I need to get that time machine, go back and fuck her and get her off the path that turned her into a blob.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2466068]Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.[/QUOTE]Oh please, if you compare Sweden's numbers to Peru, the Swedish policy is a success. If you compare it to South Korea, it was not.
The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2466068]The information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020.[/QUOTE]Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM[/URL].
By the way, the ratio of death not the number but the ratio of death demographically due to seasonal flu and the flu of 1918 is pretty similar. So yeah, Covid is way way worse for people over 85 than the flu and I would go as far to say it is worse for people over 60 but when you start talking about people in their 20's? FUCK NO! It is not even close.
The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. That makes no sense at all unless you look at things from a political POV.
In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.
So how do I know you are not getting laid? Because anyone who is sexually active has to deal with this fear porn.
And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.
So that is my stereotype and I am sticking to it!!
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out. [/QUOTE]You can compare Sweden to Peru on a monger board all you want. This though will never change the fact that you are using a non-squitur. Compare Sweden to their neighhors, who have similar demographics and societal constructs, and your argument instantly folds. With Peru some of it relates to societal constructs, but ultimately it's all non-compliance. 40% of Peruvians don't have refrigerators. They are used to crowding in markets. Articles on this are legion. Social distancing, masks, and stay at home orders hardly happened. That destroys your comparison, no matter how long you want to hang out here flopping around like a fish on the shore.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM[/URL].[/QUOTE]What do Democrats and a 102 year old flu have to do with the price of rice in China? Talk about a goal post shift. Why not go back to the Bubonic Plague? You'the get a lot more mileage that way. Covid isn't the flu, nor does it have anything to do with flus in our generation. It's killing a lot more people, as JJBee62 showed you with credible stats. There are also long term health consequences of Covid, brain, heart, lungs, kidney that aren't typically found with the flu.
[URL]https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200710/lingering-effects-of-covid-19-on-lungs-heart-brain-kidneys-and-immune-system[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. [/QUOTE]Even though a lot of athletes have been testing positive.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid. [/QUOTE]There ya go, the source of all the passion and dogged determination from this guy. Well damn, Covid is hampering his ability to buy cheap Latin American pussy. Such high priorities in life, I rest my case.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.[/QUOTE]There have been younger people that have died from this. There's evidence of long term consequences, in the matter of the young and old. But there are some young people that aren't out only for themselves, want to protect others so they are inclined to social distance and wear masks. But since this is all about you, and how the Democrats are picking on you and Trump, I don't expect you to grab ahold of that. It's well beyond your tiny, me oriented existence.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2466063]You'll get that. Every time there is any problem in the news, every one looking for donations sticks out their hand. The guy who I've seen begging every day for the past 8 months changed his cardboard sign to say "Lost job to corona. Please help. " Before the sign said "I could really use a beer. ".[/QUOTE]Try the United Nations instead. Agree Oxfam is way biased for money.
[URL]https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062272[/URL]
Anyways you get my point.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2466061]I haven't bothered to chase down the survey, I only heard it mentioned briefly on the radio yesterday. Apparently, a majority of couples responded to the survey that the forced togetherness has improved their relationship, rather than worsened it. A majority also responded they had learned things about their partner.
My anecdotal evidence is something I began to notice back in April. I spend about 63 hours every week driving, more if there are backups due to construction, accidents, weather, or people simply being lousy drivers. I have an excellent point of view into the cars that pass me by.
I'll ask this question again. Where were you on all these issues last year? 10 years ago? Where will you be on them next year? Have you been calling your Congressmen telling them to normalize relations with Venezuela? Or Cuba? Have you been asking them to strengthen regulations which we need to protect our supply chain? Have you called for increased support of UN efforts to eradicate poverty, disease and hunger? Have you called for the US to open up our borders to more refugees?
You're pointing out all of these issues to support your position, without actually being in favor (I assume) of doing what's needed to address the issues.[/QUOTE]You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.
Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.
I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.
Let's take the next step. You have met some of the guys on this board. If they passed away would you go to their funeral or donate to it? No. Why? Because you did not know them well enough to care enough. 90% of the people you know are acquaintances, not friends. I know the difference. You do not.
Friend Indicators:
You are going to meet several guys next time you visit Colombia. You friend is the one you make plans to meet before you leave versus after you gt there.
Friend is the guy that goes to your house and hangs out at times inside not outside like your neighbor.
Friend is the one you invite to Christmas dinner.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]Oh please, if you compare Sweden's numbers to Peru, the Swedish policy is a success. If you compare it to South Korea, it was not.
The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.
Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM[/URL].
By the way, the ratio of death not the number but the ratio of death demographically due to seasonal flu and the flu of 1918 is pretty similar. So yeah, Covid is way way worse for people over 85 than the flu and I would go as far to say it is worse for people over 60 but when you start talking about people in their 20's? FUCK NO! It is not even close.
The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. That makes no sense at all unless you look at things from a political POV.[/QUOTE]Why do you keep quoting me and talking about Sweden and Peru? I have not mentioned Sweden or Peru. I don't care about Sweden or Peru. Neither Sweden nor Peru is part of Flu Serve Net or the ILI Surveillance System. Neither reports to the CDC. So why do you bring up Sweden and Peru every time you quote me?
Instead, why don't you bring up the data I posted with the comparison to the flu. You keep bringing up the flu, I spoon feed the data to you and immediately you start babbling about Sweden and Peru. If I shift to Sweden and Peru will you go back to discussing the flu, or will you then shift to blaming Soros and Hillary on the rise in erectile dysfunction?
Focus. You wanted flu data. I gave you flu data. You ignore flu data, other than to bring up the flu from 100 years ago. Your cardiovascular system must be fucking incredible, because you run away from every fact like Hermes on his way to Olympus.
If the only thing you can talk about is Sweden and Peru, go find a blonde and get her to shove live Guinea pigs up your ass, but stop quoting me on it.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily,[/QUOTE]Whose fault is it that people are stupid? What makes a person afraid of one thing and not afraid of another? I am on neither side of this dangerous covid, non-dangerous covid, democratic, republican stuff. Here in Thailand there have been just over 3,000 cases. There has not been a case in at least 50 days. 58 people died in all. There is a population of over 66 million. We wore/are wearing mask, everything had closed down, but is finally back open, had the curfew stuff. I guess it all worked since the stats ended up being so low here.
I only wear a mask now where it is required, such as going into a store. You still see people out riding around on motorbikes wearing masks. And as usual you see a shit ton of people riding around without helmets, even though the law states that you must wear one. You will even see them riding with the helmet in their hand, but not on their head.
Plenty of times I have run into chicks that I know out riding and they have on a mask and no helmet. I tell them to put on their fucking helmet. I ask how many people do you know that have died from covid. The answer is none. How many people do you know that have had covid. The answer is none. How many people you know have died from a motorbike accident. Well everybody knows plenty of those. Yet they are running around terrified of covid that they would not dare go in public without a mask, but carefree when it comes to wearing a helmet that would more than likely save their lives if they got into an accident. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they have this acute fear of what is statistically extremely low, but contempt for what will surely take them out of the game?
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2466242]I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. [/QUOTE]You haven't "backed up" anything, no links, no data, nada, only monger forum pseudo-intellectualism, and that's being generous. This plague is small time compared to the big boys, like the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages or Yellow Fever epidemics of the 19th see. Such happen, are part of recorded history from the beginning like hurricances. You've provided no data to support any idea that suicides have increased recently, but even if you did it likely wouldn't mean much. Elvis is ready to commit suicide because he no longer can access cheap Latin American pussy. Anyone that takes such an action over this has some fucked up priorities in life.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2466291] Yet they are running around terrified of covid that they would not dare go in public without a mask, but carefree when it comes to wearing a helmet that would more than likely save their lives if they got into an accident. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they have this acute fear of what is statistically extremely low, but contempt for what will surely take them out of the game?[/QUOTE]Because stupidity is timeless, knows no geographic boundaries and cannot be fixed. It's with us, part of the ambience and is something we have to work around, each and every day.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466201]In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.[/QUOTE]Four third world hookers all being afraid of the same thing is a conspiracy? Let me guess, all 4 graduated top of their class in medicine from top US universities, they're all experts in infectious disease control and each has won Miss Universe 3 times, but they were disqualified because of panic Democrats.
Maybe I missed the memo on this one. I didn't know that the number.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2466560]Because stupidity is timeless, knows no geographic boundaries and cannot be fixed. It's with us, part of the ambience and is something we have to work around, each and every day.[/QUOTE]I am sure you know the "Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity" and you will be delighted by this post from the past, if you missed it at that time:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2355521&viewfull=1#post2355521[/URL]
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That is a great an explanation of Gustos price structure as any as I've seen. You hit the nail on the head, LOL.
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2466742]I am sure you know the "Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity" and you will be delighted by this post from the past, if you missed it at that time:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2355521&viewfull=1#post2355521[/URL][/QUOTE]
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There ya go, a conservative paper and a liberal one, both say the same thing. Covid has brought families together. See below. This pandemic is kid gloves compared to the big boys, the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages and the Yellow Fever epidemics of the 1800's. Anyone beating their wife over this was an idiot to start with. We have to deal with idiots in this world, either put them behind bars, or strap on a tag on their toe and stick them in the ground. Such is life. Man up and accept the hand life has dealt you. You'll be getting enough pussy if you have a few bucks in your pocket. .
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-pandemic-may-actually-be-bringing-families-together-devine/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/parenting/coronavirus-family-quarantine.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2466242]You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.
Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.
I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2466242]You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.
Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.
I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.r.[/QUOTE]Gee, I missed this entirely. Sorry for the delay.
Do you know the meaning of "anecdotal evidence?" A quick example, if I notice more dead deer on, or next to the highway, that's anecdotal evidence that the local deer population is growing. I'm not submitting research to a peer-reviewed publication on the population growth of deer. I'm just noticing something I've seen and making an assumption.
Tell me, is there a fundamental difference between a couple which lives together and a couple which lives together and is also married? Obviously if they aren't married, no divorce lawyer is contacted. However, divorce statistics are only part of the picture. How many couples have gone from dating to living together? How many have become engaged? How many have sought out marriage counseling? Less I people are getting married at this time, because they want the social event. It doesn't mean they are all breaking up.
Back to divorces, All states require a waiting period to finalize a divorce, minimum of 14 days, up to 6 months for some. Considering the length of time required, you won't have accurate divorce statistics until at least October.
As for an increase in search frequency for divorce lawyers, that is no indication of actual number of divorced filed or granted. Just as an increase in searches for midget porn doesn't mean there's more midget porn.
You said starvation and suicide would increase by 3 times, but you have nothing to back that up. If you look at annual suicide rates, there's no incidence of a drastic increase in suicide rate. Traumatic events, the crash in 2008 cause a short surge in suicides. But when annualized, it becomes a minor increase. Suicide rates have already been increasing every year for some time, at least in the US. They will not triple this year. They will not double. They will not increase by even 25%.
Poverty and hunger will increase. They increase every year. This year they will increase a little more. No tripling. No doubling. No 25% increase. Just another reminder that every year we have a bigger problem that we're going to continue to ignore.
However, you've made all of that irrelevant to this discussion. You said you don't care. If you don't care, you can't use it as an argument to end the shutdown. Divorce, suicide, starvation isn't something you care about. You're not affected. That brings us back to you want to end the shutdown because you don't want things to be shutdown.
All the time you wasted talking about the economy, domestic violence, hunger, etc. Is just garbage, because none of these things are problems you care about. Your only concern is that the shutdown is personally inconveniencing you.
Take a number and wait in line. It's personally inconveniencing everyone.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2467425]There ya go, a conservative paper and a liberal one, both say the same thing. Covid has brought families together. ...[/QUOTE]Here is a quote from one of those articles "And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. ".
Without a doubt. Covid19 has had an impact on most people, some positive and some negative. A few weeks ago, less than half a mile from where I live, a man shot and killed his wife and 21 year-old son. The report was he tried to kill another son, but that one escaped. The man claimed he was mentally disturbed from everyone being in his home all the time.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2467462]Here is a quote from one of those articles "And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. ".
Without a doubt. Covid19 has had an impact on most people, some positive and some negative. A few weeks ago, less than half a mile from where I live, a man shot and killed his wife and 21 year-old son. The report was he tried to kill another son, but that one escaped. The man claimed he was mentally disturbed from everyone being in his home all the time.[/QUOTE]Not sure which article you are talking about. If it's the Times I can't read it again without subscribing which I'm not going to do at the moment. Who said these words in quotations, and in what context? It might be as worthless as your anecdote that follows. The theme of both articles was that Covid has brought families closer together, one hyper liberal, one hyper conservative. Here's another with the same sentiments. The fact that some nutjob shot his wife and kid down the street from you a few weeks ago is irrelevant. Shit like that happened before Covid. BTW how is your Sweden experiment going?
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/nyc-couples-dropping-divorces-while-quarantined-together/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2467482]Not sure which article you are talking about. If it's the Times I can't read it again without subscribing which I'm not going to do at the moment. Who said these words in quotations, and in what context? It might be as worthless as your anecdote that follows. The theme of both articles was that Covid has brought families closer together, one hyper liberal, one hyper conservative. Here's another with the same sentiments. The fact that some nutjob shot his wife and kid down the street from you a few weeks ago is irrelevant. Shit like that happened before Covid. BTW how is your Sweden experiment going?[/QUOTE]Here is the complete paragraph from the Times article: "Listen, I don't want to downplay how much this pandemic has hurt the world. I've never felt so much uncertainty in my whole life. People are losing family members and friends, along with their livelihoods. And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. " That is the author's words, in his own context.
The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.
I don't know what you are referring to about "Sweden experiment". I have never posted about only Sweden in any discussion. If you are talking about the group of countries I posted about that did not go into lockdown, there hasn't been any spike in any of those countries and three of the four are still below the world median in percentages of cases and deaths.
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Are you senile and having trouble following the discussion? He hasn't met his burden of proof regarding domestic violence. I checked Google by his suggestion and the evidience goes the other way. Come back when you have something.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2466242[/URL]#post2466242.
I have no idea if your quote is valid or not, but it's certainly out of context as the theme of the article is that Covid has brought families closer together. You haven't provided any evidence of an uptick in domestic violence, and in fact the lion's share of the anecdotal evidence is that it's gone the other way.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2467520]Here is the complete paragraph from the Times article: "Listen, I don't want to downplay how much this pandemic has hurt the world. I've never felt so much uncertainty in my whole life. People are losing family members and friends, along with their livelihoods. And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. " That is the author's words, in his own context.
The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.
I don't know what you are referring to about "Sweden experiment". I have never posted about only Sweden in any discussion. If you are talking about the group of countries I posted about that did not go into lockdown, there hasn't been any spike in any of those countries and three of the four are still below the world median in percentages of cases and deaths.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2466242]Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it.[/QUOTE]No I don't believe you. You are a monger talking out of your ass, but what else is new? All the evidence I find goes the other way, that COVID is bring families together. Fun Luvr or whatever said a guy down the street from him shot his wife, but that proves nothing, except maybe on a barstool. So back up what you are saying or take a seat. You are the one with the positive claim, so the burden of proof is on you.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2466469]You haven't "backed up" anything, no links, no data, nada, only monger forum pseudo-intellectualism, and that's being generous. This plague is small time compared to the big boys, like the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages or Yellow Fever epidemics of the 19th see. Such happen, are part of recorded history from the beginning like hurricances. You've provided no data to support any idea that suicides have increased recently, but even if you did it likely wouldn't mean much. Elvis is ready to commit suicide because he no longer can access cheap Latin American pussy. Anyone that takes such an action over this has some fucked up priorities in life.[/QUOTE]Well that did not take long.
FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.
The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.
THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.
I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL]
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Huh? Lolol
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.
FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.
The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.
THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.
I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]Didn't take long for you to come back with a big fat zero. When you click on the "psychological distress" article it's all about Black Live Matter and, stupid sub 70 IQ redneck cops shooting unarmed fleeing suspects in the back or defending corroded old statues of losers like Robert E. Lee. When you have some evidence of a spike in suicides, national, peer reviewed let me know. And when the same doesn't coincide with normal yearly increases. Monger board intellectualism, got to love it. Lolol And for the record, when you shoot off your mouth the burden of proof is on you. That's the name of the game.
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.
FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.
The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.
THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.
I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]So the suicide number is 988 now? Gotcha. At least you now know the number to call after Trump is a one termer. Get down on it.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI[/URL]
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]Well that did not take long.
FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.
The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.
THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.
I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/[/URL][/QUOTE]That was too easy. Before I begin, I have a question. Do your fingers get stained red when you cherry pick, or do you wear gloves?
Paulie and I don't agree often, but we both recognize a logical fallacy.
Let's start with the suicide hotline. The FCC has been considering the proposal since last August. It won't be fully implemented until 2023. At both ends this eliminates the shutdown as the driving force. It doesn't even get full credit for the unanimous approval, as the protests and riots were mentioned as well. At most the current crisis changed approval to unanimous approval.
I haven't read the study yet, but you screwed the pooch on this one. What were the numbers 1 year ago? What has been the average monthly increase over the 2 year period. The way it's presented insinuates no change for a years, then a sudden threefold increase. Let's leave that at highly unlikely.
But that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is your claim the shutdown will triple the number of suicides. Yet, April was at the beginning of the shutdown. That's much too early to assign 100% of the cause to the continuing shutdown.
Of course "serious psychological distress" doesn't equal suicide or even thoughts of suicide. While the pandemic probably was the biggest contributor, there are many different issues. Schools were closed, businesses were closing. The White House was saying everything was under control, when clearly it wasn't. Financial uncertainty. Events cancelled. Sports cancelled.
Sports cancelled.
If you know any sports fans, there's your serious psychological distress.
Sorry, but you weren't ahead of the curve. You just drove off into left field.
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Serious psychological distress
It's worth noting that there are still people who experience distress over 9/11 after almost 19 years. There are people who experience distress over the Holocaust, who weren't alive at that time. Psychological distress can be triggered by anything, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. In many instances it's a part of the stress release process.
Obviously, the COVID-19, the racial unrest, the shutdown, the economy and everything else are causing distress. However, you're trying to assign "magic pill" status to opening everything back up. That's unwarranted. Here's just one example:
Former game show host and staunch Trump supporter, Chuck Woolery had this to say last Sunday:
"The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it. ".
Obviously, distressed over the shutdown. Then on Wednesday he had this to say before deactivating his Twitter account:
"To further clarify and add perspective, Covid-19 is real and it is here."
"My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for of those suffering and especially for those who have lost loved ones. ".
Again, obviously distressed, but now it's over worry about his son, his son's family, perhaps over his own health. At this point, if his son develops symptoms and ends up in the hospital, I suspect he would be more distressed over ending the shutdown. Because at this point, Trump's reelection campaign is far from his thoughts.
If current plans continue school will be in session in about 6 weeks. Assuming nothing changes from where we currently are with the shutdown, it's likely we'll be seeing some bad numbers at that time. Again, I'd love to be wrong. How much psychological distress will there be when kids start coming home with symptoms? Is it just the flu? Is it COVID-19?
My opinion is, if we had stuck to the full lockdown until now, if we had mandated masks for everyone in May, we'd be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of pushing close to 1,000 deaths daily, and rising, we'd be counting a few dozen. We'd be in a position to open up, with masks, with reasonable precautions and we could be focusing on contact tracing and isolation protocols.
We didn't do that. We had the President encouraging people to force states to open up. We had the President and Vice President refusing to wear masks. We have and continue to have an active disinformation campaign against using masks, against maintaining social distancing and against taking the virus seriously. When it comes to pandemic response plans, we're off with Alice in Wonderland.
The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.
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Guys, do not even bother
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2467520]The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2467711]THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.
I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.[/QUOTE]The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.
It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.
Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.
What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.
So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?
No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.
In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?
The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.
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The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.[/QUOTE]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2467988]The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.
It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.
Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.
What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.
So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?
No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.
In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?
The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.[/QUOTE]Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom". And while it is happening under Trump, it is not universal under other democracies.
Covid is a virus, the people with knowledge of the science are giving the best advice they can, and most governments in the world are trying to balance the deaths and destruction of the virus against the damages being done to their economies. With the US being a big exception. No balance there, everything politicized and divided, rudderless.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2468008]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?[/QUOTE]If there was an invading army people would probably be begging the government to give them instruction and information on what they need to do to stop it. Seems in some countries it does not work that way with an invading virus.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2468031]Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom".[/QUOTE]When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468050]When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.[/QUOTE]The problem with every conspiracy theory is they require much more than any of the conspiracy theorist can fathom in order to work. In this case, every employee, in every hospital, every family member, friend and co-worker of every victim, every funeral director, every company that makes caskets. All of them have to coordinate together to craft a consistent story. That's in virtually every country around the world. Next add in every business owner, from the mom and pop restaurant to the largest corporations in the world, all agreeing to voluntarily shut down, all with the singular goal of getting Trump out of office.
That's billions of people, all secretly communicating and coordinating and keeping the secrets.
Sure thing.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2468008]What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?[/QUOTE]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.
A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.
Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.
That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.
Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.
Freedom is another story. You're free to do anything you want to do. Anything you can imagine, you have the freedom to try. If you want to fly to Medellin today, you can do it, or make the attempt. What's always misunderstood is that your freedom doesn't obligate anyone else. You're free to not wear a mask, but the store isn't required to let you in. You're free to practice your religion, but you're not free to force others to practice it.
Each government takes action based upon the voices that government listens to. Some listen to the citizens, some listen to the scientists, some listen to the corporations. Some appear to be listening to the voices in their heads.
What's more important to sacrifice? Human life or the economy? That's the choice that people keep tossing out. However, you're really sacrificing both. Damage to the economy affects human life. Massive loss of human life hurts the economy.
My view is that the economy isn't something you can kill. No matter how long things are shutdown the economy will recover. Not only does it recover, boom times follow. The Renaissance followed the black death. The roaring 20's followed the Spanish influenza.
People, on the other hand, don't recover from death. Six months from now they won't be digging themselves out of the graves and celebrating.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468191]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.
A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.
Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.
That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.
Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.[/QUOTE]Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468191]Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.
A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.
[/QUOTE]I think you will like the way the governor explaining thing using numbers
[URL]https://twitter.com/tatereeves/status/1282783825219682304[/URL]
There is a school of thought in science that builds a model for reality based on observation. Stephen Hawking is one of the scientists who use this approach. When the model is successful in explaining everything then it is considered to be true.
Do you think Americans stranded in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, or even China are in a hurry go back to US now? The answer can be either way but I think it shows the irony in that people have more freedom because they are willing to sacrifice some freedom.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2468308]Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.[/QUOTE]I think there will be a lot of people out of jobs until they update their skills if there are still jobs for them. Many people are already saying that the we are going thru a huge wealth transfer so the economy won't be the same.
Just look at college towns. They will all be empty this coming year. The landlord won't have rental income. This will be at least a year, and not to mention the quality of the education will suffer as well.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2468347]Do you think Americans stranded in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, or even China are in a hurry go back to US now? The answer can be either way but I think it shows the irony in that people have more freedom because they are willing to sacrifice some freedom.[/QUOTE]No. Because we are only visitors in these places, which is much different from being a citizen. Here in Thailand I don't have to worry about some things the government may pass because I am not a part of Thai society. I don't have to worry about being held back and not being able to make enough money.
Big thing here is that it is illegal to talk bad about Thai royalty. You will be thrown in jail. Besides that, I pay my rent and wake up and go about my day without any thought of the governmental or social structure in the country. And I can leave anytime. I am basically a fly on the wall and as long as nobody tries to swat me or shoo me away I am fine. I do not exist with the same worries as a normal citizen does.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468357]No. Because we are only visitors in these places, which is much different from being a citizen. Here in Thailand I don't have to worry about some things the government may pass because I am not a part of Thai society. I don't have to worry about being held back and not being able to make enough money. Big thing here is that it is illegal to talk bad about Thai royalty. You will be thrown in jail. Besides that, I pay my rent and wake up and go about my day without any thought of the governmental or social structure in the country. And I can leave anytime. I am basically a fly on the wall and as long as nobody tries to swat me or shoo me away I am fine. I do not exist with the same worries as a normal citizen does.[/QUOTE]But you do have to follow the law which may limit your privacy, and freedom. This is the point I am trying to get to. I happen to observe Americans don't want to go back to US even when flight is available. Especially many will reach the 180 days visa limit soon and they are complaining they have to leave but won't be allowed to do visa run because of entry ban.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2468364]But you do have to follow the law which may limit your privacy, and freedom. This is the point I am trying to get to.[/QUOTE]I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy. I saw a meme yesterday that the government assigned numbers to each American, they make them pay taxes every year, etc. And they think they are free and have privacy? Funny.
I was messing with a chick here in April but she disappeared. The other day she hit me up. I asked what happened. She said she was in jail. Said the police picked her up at a hotel in Bangkok. I said how did they know where you were. She said because of her cell phone. Same thing in America.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468371]I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy.[/QUOTE]The tolerance the government gives them? Are you an American? Really?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Any idea what the quote above is?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2468435]The tolerance the government gives them? Are you an American? Really?
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Any idea what the quote above is?[/QUOTE]Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.
Damn. I almost forgot about the Patriot Act which wanted to formally throw that right right out the window! "Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.Sep 27, 2007"
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2468308]Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.[/QUOTE]As long as there are people left alive, there will be an economy. The further it gets knocked down the quicker it recovers. Look at 2008. It took less than 2 years to begin to recover and 5 years for an almost complete recovery.
The financial issues exist either way. What's the patient burden for a 45 day ICU stay, in the US? $200 k? $500 k? What's the cost to a company forced to shutdown because too many employees are sick? What's the hit to state tax revenues when people aren't spending money?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468371]I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy. I saw a meme yesterday that the government assigned numbers to each American, they make them pay taxes every year, etc. And they think they are free and have privacy? Funny.
I was messing with a chick here in April but she disappeared. The other day she hit me up. I asked what happened. She said she was in jail. Said the police picked her up at a hotel in Bangkok. I said how did they know where you were. She said because of her cell phone. Same thing in America.[/QUOTE]Heck, way back in 1982 the cops found me at the laundromat and literally nobody who knew me, knew I was doing laundry that day. Granted, I'm sure my buddy, or accomplice, gave them my name and a description of my truck, but it sure didn't take them long to find me.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468517]Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.
Damn. I almost forgot about the Patriot Act which wanted to formally throw that right right out the window! "Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.Sep 27, 2007"[/QUOTE]Another very fine post! And another tip of my hat to you, Mr. E! There is certainly no sleeping on the job of life for you! Slightly off-topic. But who am I to complain about that, given my recent posts? Keep it up!
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468517]Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.
Damn. I almost forgot about the Patriot Act which wanted to formally throw that right right out the window! "Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.Sep 27, 2007"[/QUOTE]Let's not forget RICO from the early 80's. Pretty much granted unlimited search and seizure for anything which could in any way he connected to organized crime.
DEA brought the dogs onboard a NOAA (National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration) research ship, found one crew member had brought a joint aboard, so they took possession of the ship. It was legally theirs, because one guy had a joint and drugs are considered organized crime. Fortunately, someone stepped in and returned the ship to the NOAA.
Probable cause has been extended to be anything. All the officer needs to say is, "I smelled marijuana", or alcohol. Anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment is alive and well, has been living under a rock.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468517]Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.
[/QUOTE]LOL. I am completely confused. You just listed a bunch of government conspiracies, but there is not one going on right now with Covid?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2468560]LOL. I am completely confused. You just listed a bunch of government conspiracies, but there is not one going on right now with Covid?[/QUOTE]I did not list any conspiracies. I listed people that got fucked over with a right they supposedly had.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468651]I did not list any conspiracies. I listed people that got fucked over with a right they supposedly had.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I wasn't paying attention, or I would have translated that for you.
Anything which goes against Elvirus' current "theory" is a conspiracy. If Elvirus goes to McDonald's and orders a Big Mac without onions, if he finds any onions, or believes that onions were possibly put on and removed, it's because the liberals are trying to poison him and blame it on Trump in order to implicate a few right wing crackpots in Bulgaria as friends of Jeffrey Epstein. He will then point out that apple pie is popular in Ecuador, proving conclusively that Biden, Clinton, or Obama is actually a Russian secret agent attempting to steal the secret recipe from KFC in order to bring about the downfall of Democracy and keep him from having a date with 6 current South American Miss Universe contestants.
Does it make sense now?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2468651]I did not list any conspiracies.[/QUOTE]It actually helps if you know what words mean. In the case of conspiracy, the word means "a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose."
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[QUOTE=Puntz79;2464844]The strategy these days for the left since March. Put out a death estimate, wait 2-3 weeks. Add xx,000 to the previous number, add 1-2 months and repeat. In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November. At some point you just have to wonder, do they think we haven't figured it out, or won't be able to? People are tired of the negativity and want to get back to normal, not the "new normal" the old normal that can be improved upon when it comes to health. And Dr. Fauci has been wrong every single time since March, even he looks like he wants to just move forward because he doesn't like to be wrong.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2464874]As of today, July 8, it is 134,027 deaths in USA (including those who take chloroquine or bleach) and 547,632 in the world.
3 M detected cases in USA over a population of 328 M is less than 1%, so there is still a big improvement margin available for Dem plots and fake news.[/QUOTE]
Latest update from USA (20/07/2020):
Total deaths: 143,834 (recent rate: +500 to +1000 per day).
Total cases: 3,961,429 (recent rate: +60k to +70k per day).
It looks like 150k deaths will be hit before August, and silencing Fauci does not seem an effective strategy to contain the virus spread.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2468733]Latest update from USA (20/07/2020):
Total deaths: 143,834 (recent rate: +500 to +1000 per day).
Total cases: 3,961,429 (recent rate: +60k to +70k per day).
It looks like 150k deaths will be hit before August, and silencing Fauci does not seem an effective strategy to contain the virus spread.[/QUOTE]Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.
This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.
Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.
The Tall Man.
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How do you know you have not had the virus yet? Have you been tested even once?
[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2468797]Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.
This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.
Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2468797]Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.
This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.
Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I'm not certain it's a party you want to be invited to. My sister spent 3 months working with patients who were invited to the party in NYC. After a much needed break she will be headed off soon to wherever the current worst hotspot is, probably Florida.
My friend, also a nurse has been dealing with the uncounted cases inside the department of corrections. She was the biggest skeptic about the virus. Right up to the day when she suddenly had to look it in the eye. Last month I watched her kick one of her oldest friends out of her life because the former friend kept claiming it's all a hoax. Don't tell a nurse, who has been pulling 80 hour weeks for 2 months that the disease she's been dealing with is a hoax.
My old highschool classmate, another nurse, watched half of her patients die over a 6 week period. Now she's wondering if her daughter-in-law will survive, wondering if her and her husband will be headed to the hospital.
If you know of absolutely no one who has been affected, consider yourself lucky. I predict that will come to an end before the end of August, probably sooner.
I'm not living in fear. I'm working 6 days a week. If I could I'd probably be working 7 because I just found out yesterday one of our other guys is out with it. We just got the news last week that another guy won't be coming back. He survived, but he's not expecting to be able to work again for several months. The new guy, I don't expect to survive. He's a poster child for pre-existing conditions and his wife is just as bad.
Meanwhile, I put on a mask. I keep my distance. And I pay attention to the doctors and scientists while ignoring the talking heads.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468871]I'm not certain it's a party you want to be invited to. My sister spent 3 months working with patients who were invited to the party in NYC. After a much needed break she will be headed off soon to wherever the current worst hotspot is, probably Florida.
My friend, also a nurse has been dealing with the uncounted cases inside the department of corrections. She was the biggest skeptic about the virus. Right up to the day when she suddenly had to look it in the eye. Last month I watched her kick one of her oldest friends out of her life because the former friend kept claiming it's all a hoax. Don't tell a nurse, who has been pulling 80 hour weeks for 2 months that the disease she's been dealing with is a hoax.
My old highschool classmate, another nurse, watched half of her patients die over a 6 week period. Now she's wondering if her daughter-in-law will survive, wondering if her and her husband will be headed to the hospital.
If you know of absolutely no one who has been affected, consider yourself lucky. I predict that will come to an end before the end of August, probably sooner..[/QUOTE]As I posted earlier, I was invited to the party (virus), and though it wasn't enjoyable, it definitely wasn't even close to life threatening, not even go to the hospital threatening.
I consider myself fortunate, yes.
Of course the virus kills, and that's horrible.
The vast majority though, just like me, get thru it relatively easy.
Social distance, mask up, pray for an effective vaccine.
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Get out there and dive in
[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2468797]Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You wanted to fight the Fase Dos bouncer crew. Get on that party and the virus as well. There's nothing like reality to make a believer out of a man.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2468068]The problem with every conspiracy theory is they require much more than any of the conspiracy theorist can fathom in order to work. In this case, every employee, in every hospital, every family member, friend and co-worker of every victim, every funeral director, every company that makes caskets. All of them have to coordinate together to craft a consistent story. That's in virtually every country around the world. Next add in every business owner, from the mom and pop restaurant to the largest corporations in the world, all agreeing to voluntarily shut down, all with the singular goal of getting Trump out of office.
That's billions of people, all secretly communicating and coordinating and keeping the secrets.
Sure thing.[/QUOTE]That's called common sense.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2468797]Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.
This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.
Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I fully understand your anger.
There are towns, less than 100 km from where I live, where the population was hit so badly in March and April, that each family had someone in hospital or dead. They were bringing oxygen bottles from other regions because there were not enough for those at home who could not breath.
While for 99% of people it seems a cold, for the 1%-5% is a bad thing, and if 1,000,000 persons are infected, 1% is 10,000 persons. No region can hospitalize 10,000 persons all together.
I know personally only one person (a colleague) who was sick (with all his family). He was at home for nearly 2 months, and still walks slowly because he feels weak. It's a lottery, and we should be happy to not have a ticket.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2469236]99.5%. There is hardly a chick that is not a hooker that is going to be doing shit like that for a guy she has not even met. And to have found an entire nest of them? It is funny how he thinks they are doing these things because of how he is playing the game. As if he is talking a duck into acting like a duck.
I have been doing this new thing with chicks that I have been seeing on dating sites. If I can tell they are pretty much a hooker then I will ask what they are looking for. Of course they come with the serious relationship stuff first. Then I will tell them sorry, I am only looking for a fling. The hookers will say tell me more. The serious chicks will wish me good luck.[/QUOTE]Man,
I wish I had your skills. I can't imagine what it must be like to state things with 99.5% certainty on subjects you know almost nothing about. What I can't figure out is why you're wasting such godlike powers here? Shit, if I could approach any subject I'm ignorant on and immediately comprehend 99.5% of it, Bezos would be my pool boy.
Let's forget for a moment that (as I've mentioned several times) I've been chatting with considerable success, for 30 years. By considerable success, I'm referring to talking to a complete stranger online and turning it into a face-to-face meeting. It's downright fucking bizarre that something you claim to do all the time on dating sites, nobody else is able to duplicate without you being 99.5% certain they're full of shit.
It's really simple. You talk to people. You find out what motivates them and you use what you learn. Isn't that what you're, according to your reports, always doing? I was doing it online back when you were still waiting to be 12th man in on the girl your roommate was pimping out.
Although you went with 99.5%, this time you're 100% wrong. You're mistaking a simple quid pro quo with prostitution. Which, if we're going to go that route, every woman you've so much as let use your shower after sex was clearly a prostitute. You've had sex with her and given her something of value.
Let's pretend for a moment that every woman in the world isn't a prostitute. Clearly, most of the women you've had sex with are already excluded from the prostitution list. Let's just imagine other women exist who aren't prostitutes.
What do they want? In this little fantasy I'm constructing for you they aren't locked into the decision between sex with Mr. Enternational, which they're willing to pay for, and sex with anyone else, who they require payment from. They actually have the option of having sex with whoever they choose, for whatever reason they want. What motivates them? Certainty, once they become aware of your existence, all thoughts of sex with anyone else, without payment, evaporate, but some women have never even heard of you.
We know they're fucking, but why? I realize you're still grappling with the concept of women who aren't aware of your existence, so I'll take this slowly. Maybe. Just maybe. Some women enjoy sex, even if you or money aren't involved. Take a few deep breaths to steady yourself. I know that was a blow to your ego. Better? It's even possible that most women enjoy sex. Although it's probably just because they're all fantasizing that they're having sex with you.
If women like sex, it seems likely anyone who can discuss sex in a way that appeals to women, should be able to get women to do whatever he wants. Even if they aren't prostitutes.
The question I have for you is why would I bother? I've contact with about 450 prostitutes in Colombia. I could easily raise that to 1,000 in a few weeks. I've bought videos from several and written about it. Why would I go to the trouble of writing porn and sending it to the same women I already bought videos from and then claim the videos I already said I bought were given to me?
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I agree with TTM's statement.
In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.
I had the Rona, and thankfully it was more mild than the flu for me, I just pounded DayQuil because I had an infrequent dry cough.
Yes, the Rona is real, however the mortality rate is something like. 2/. 3%.
I think the leaders in South America have so much misinformation, on top of people from South America believing everything they see on the news, and then leaders in places like MDE make people stay at home for days.
It is just going to crush South American economies, but what can ya do. See'est la vie.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2469358]If women like sex, it seems likely anyone who can discuss sex in a way that appeals to women, should be able to get women to do whatever he wants. Even if they aren't prostitutes.
[/QUOTE]The third screenshot. Wow. Thanks for sharing.
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People believe a lot of things. Lolol
Bigfoot, alien abductions, the Moon Landing Hoax, etc. All have fans proving that many Americans aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.
[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2470004]In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.[/QUOTE]Please cite your source for this information, and no some guy at a bar or on a monger board doesn't count. If this is true then you are accusing testing entities like eNorth of committing mass fraud. And they don't make "calls" but send an email, then one logs into their account and views the lab report.
[URL]https://etruenorth.com/[/URL]
Also many locales in the US have been pushed to capacity for morgue space and have had to use refrigerated trucks for storage, just like in Italy, Brazil and others. This is the present situation in Houston. Many overwhelmed ER docs have been on the news begging people to take precautions. Are they frauds also? Amazing that they would violate their Hippocratic oaths and risk the careers they worked so hard for perpetuating such frauds. And for what reason? Hospitalization rates are spiking in several areas of the US, as are Covid related deaths.
[URL]https://covidtracking.com/data/state/arizona[/URL]
[URL]https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida[/URL]
[URL]https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas[/URL]
In Florida, 56 hospital ICUs are currently at capacity.
[URL]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/48-florida-hospitals-at-icu-capacity.html[/URL]
This is up from the 40 on July 10.
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-hospitals-max-out-icu-coronavirus[/URL]
There's nothing like real evidence to put to bed idle talk.
This and more has already been covered on this thread, and the arguments about economies, suicide risks, etc. All have been addressed as well and found wanting. It's all here. I'm not doing it all over for every monger that comes along that can't be bothered with reading the whole discussion. They are all yours JJBee62. Ya can't fix stupid, but thankfully you can do a lot to work around it.
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[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2470004]I agree with TTM's statement.
In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.
I had the Rona, and thankfully it was more mild than the flu for me, I just pounded DayQuil because I had an infrequent dry cough.
Yes, the Rona is real, however the mortality rate is something like. 2/. 3%.
I think the leaders in South America have so much misinformation, on top of people from South America believing everything they see on the news, and then leaders in places like MDE make people stay at home for days.
It is just going to crush South American economies, but what can ya do. See'est la vie.[/QUOTE]GT,
I have been pounding JJBee and the fake numbers for the longest time. He goes off on anecdotal evidence that someone else supplies than goes off on and tells how everyone he knows has been affected by Corona. He did the same thing with AIDS. He knew 1000's of people who died with AIDS.
You are right. The numbers are bullshit. The mortality rate was way overstated. I never thought Corona was a hoax but an exaggeration. I know dozens of people who have it. What I have seen in my life is that when you give people in authority a way to politically cover themselves and a chance to take on more power, they will jump in with both feet. The designation of what businesses were essential and not was the chance for bureaucrats to play king maker, and they loved it. In addition, they had press conferences where they got precious air time, and business leaders had to stand and give these bureaucrats what they all crave: complete submission. Also, all the mistakes with Covid have been swept under the rug.
It wasn't hard for me to believe that this was more bullshit after seeing what I did with AIDS and the opioid crisis. The heterosexual AIDS crisis was pure bullshit, and the opioid crisis was not one until the DEA got involved. Every year, there are more and more overdose deaths, and it is the fault of everyone but the federal government who is responsible for it. These were complete full blown conspiracies. The truth is the DEA went after prescription opioids because it was losing money from all its pot seizures once pot was legalized. 90% of the world's heroin is grown right under the eyes of the USA Military in Afghanistan. The Taliban could cut heroin production but our military is powerless to stop it? Bullshit!
So the federal government has cried wolf so many times that it was easy for me to believe it was doing so again. Thing is I was discussing Covid with someone and he reminded me that unlike the Hong Kong flu in 1968, the hospitals were not full, and I had to admit he was right. It does not take much to expand hospital capacity as we saw in New York, but in Italy, there was an issue with too few ventilators. You remember the we are running out of ventilators and the flatten the curve bullshit everyone has forgot about?
It is that kind of stuff along with the CDC doing a 180 on masks, and the social distancing crap that grinds my gears. Social distancing was put in place to track people via their cell phones. You need six feet for the GPS to be accurate with contact tracing. The notion you can catch Covid from someone if you stand 4 feet from them and not 6 from them in a line at Walmart is more bullshit.
One of the other issues, and you will not hear this anywhere else, is that doctors were probably too quick to put patients on ventilators. Once patients were on ventilators, their prognosis went way down. Covid is more a problem with oxygention than ventilation.
The other big thing are blood clots. A lot of Covid patients have renal issues from blood clots. In fact, the low oxygen associated with Covid is probably more often due to blood clots than the Covid pneumonia. The mortality rate is lower mostly from the use of immunosuppresants like HCQ, dexamethasone, and the frequent use of heparin. I have not seen the Covid mortality rate decreasing discussed nearly as often as it should be.
Again, I would have emphasized hospitalizations and the lack of beds, which is easily verified, available over death data which is easily manipulated, and the government frequently manipulates death data to enrich itself power wise. What causes death is a misnomer. Usually, it is a combination of things but the government likes to list one cause of death, and it gave financial incentive health care providers to list Covid as cause of death.
The mathematical projections were wrong as they always are because humans learn how to handle things better. The 3. 5% mortality rate as estimated by the WHO was patently absurd, and all other death projections were way off.
Still, I cannot argue with the hospital rates. That is true, and no other flu virus save for the 1918 pandemic has put so many people in the hospital. Frequent testing and isolation does work to slow the virus as does keeping people from gathering in large groups especially for prolonged periods of time.
Could the economies have been saved? I think now that there was going to be a hit no matter what, but it didn't have to be as bad as it did. South America is proof that huge lockdowns did more damage to the economy than they did in halting the spread of the virus.
Given how badly the leaders in this crisis have fucked up, I think anyone who is not cynical should be. I cannot stand the notion that questioning leadership is somehow unpatriotic. The shame of it all is that like all other times I have seen the federal government bureaucracy screw up, no one is going to be held accountable and responsible for all the mistakes that were made.
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[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2470004]I agree with TTM's statement.
In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.
I had the Rona, and thankfully it was more mild than the flu for me, I just pounded DayQuil because I had an infrequent dry cough.
Yes, the Rona is real, however the mortality rate is something like. 2/. 3%.
I think the leaders in South America have so much misinformation, on top of people from South America believing everything they see on the news, and then leaders in places like MDE make people stay at home for days.
It is just going to crush South American economies, but what can ya do. See'est la vie.[/QUOTE]Well said, I have been saying the exact same thing. This is so bad and in my opinion quarantines are just not working that well, besides killing the economies and ruining people's lives.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2470148]GT,
I have been pounding JJBee and the fake numbers for the longest time. He goes off on anecdotal evidence that someone else supplies than goes off on and tells how everyone he knows has been affected by Corona. He did the same thing with AIDS. He knew 1000's of people who died with AIDS.
You are right. The numbers are bullshit. The mortality rate was way overstated. I never thought Corona was a hoax but an exaggeration. I know dozens of people who have it. What I have seen in my life is that when you give people in authority a way to politically cover themselves and a chance to take on more power, they will jump in with both feet. The designation of what businesses were essential and not was the chance for bureaucrats to play king maker, and they loved it. In addition, they had press conferences where they got precious air time, and business leaders had to stand and give these bureaucrats what they all crave: complete submission. Also, all the mistakes with Covid have been swept under the rug.
It wasn't hard for me to believe that this was more bullshit after seeing what I did with AIDS and the opioid crisis. The heterosexual AIDS crisis was pure bullshit, and the opioid crisis was not one until the DEA got involved. Every year, there are more and more overdose deaths, and it is the fault of everyone but the federal government who is responsible for it. These were complete full blown conspiracies. The truth is the DEA went after prescription opioids because it was losing money from all its pot seizures once pot was legalized. 90% of the world's heroin is grown right under the eyes of the USA Military in Afghanistan. The Taliban could cut heroin production but our military is powerless to stop it? Bullshit!
So the federal government has cried wolf so many times that it was easy for me to believe it was doing so again. Thing is I was discussing Covid with someone and he reminded me that unlike the Hong Kong flu in 1968, the hospitals were not full, and I had to admit he was right. It does not take much to expand hospital capacity as we saw in New York, but in Italy, there was an issue with too few ventilators. You remember the we are running out of ventilators and the flatten the curve bullshit everyone has forgot about?
It is that kind of stuff along with the CDC doing a 180 on masks, and the social distancing crap that grinds my gears. Social distancing was put in place to track people via their cell phones. You need six feet for the GPS to be accurate with contact tracing. The notion you can catch Covid from someone if you stand 4 feet from them and not 6 from them in a line at Walmart is more bullshit.
One of the other issues, and you will not hear this anywhere else, is that doctors were probably too quick to put patients on ventilators. Once patients were on ventilators, their prognosis went way down. Covid is more a problem with oxygention than ventilation.
The other big thing are blood clots. A lot of Covid patients have renal issues from blood clots. In fact, the low oxygen associated with Covid is probably more often due to blood clots than the Covid pneumonia. The mortality rate is lower mostly from the use of immunosuppresants like HCQ, dexamethasone, and the frequent use of heparin. I have not seen the Covid mortality rate decreasing discussed nearly as often as it should be.
Again, I would have emphasized hospitalizations and the lack of beds, which is easily verified, available over death data which is easily manipulated, and the government frequently manipulates death data to enrich itself power wise. What causes death is a misnomer. Usually, it is a combination of things but the government likes to list one cause of death, and it gave financial incentive health care providers to list Covid as cause of death.
The mathematical projections were wrong as they always are because humans learn how to handle things better. The 3. 5% mortality rate as estimated by the WHO was patently absurd, and all other death projections were way off.
Still, I cannot argue with the hospital rates. That is true, and no other flu virus save for the 1918 pandemic has put so many people in the hospital. Frequent testing and isolation does work to slow the virus as does keeping people from gathering in large groups especially for prolonged periods of time..[/QUOTE]You've been pounding me? You back to fantasizing about me again? I believe you have the direction of the pounding backwards Elvirus.
Over the numbers, no less? You've never addressed the numbers. Not once. I keep asking you to address the numbers and you start talking about Sweden.
Then you resort to complete fabrications. I stated I knew and saw dozens die from AIDS, while I was a volunteer with the AIDS, Art, Alive project in San Diego (from 1988-92), and you say I claim to have witnessed 1,000's. That non-profit has since closed down. However, you have the sheer fucking audacity (I. E. Stupidity) to claim I went back 30 years to locate the name of a non-profit, dig up the name of the founder, a respected, but reasonably unknown artist and author just so I could claim to have seen the effects of AIDS. That's not just stupidity, it's lunacy.
Again, address the fucking numbers you spineless dipshit.
2017-18 Lab verified flu deaths in Indiana - 187. That's the same year the CDC Estimated both 61,000 and 80,000 flu deaths nationwide. I can assure you, the people of Indiana are not all superhumans impervious to disease. Quite the opposite. At a minimum, if the CDC estimate is correct, that number should be at least 1,500.
Address this from the CDC:
"Fourth, our estimate of influenza-associated deaths relies on information about location of death from death certificates. However, death certificate data during the 2018–2019 season were not available at the time of estimation. We have used death certification data from all influenza seasons between 2010-2011 and 2016–2017 where these data were available from the National Center for Health Statistics. Furthermore, our model uses the frequency of influenza-related deaths that have cause of death related to pneumonia or influenza (P&I), other respiratory or cardiovascular (other are&C), or other non-respiratory, non-cardiovascular (non-are&C) to account for deaths occurring outside of a hospital by cause of death. These frequencies were not available from the 2018–2019 season at the time of estimation, so we used the average frequencies of each cause from previous seasons, 2010–2011 to 2016–2017."
And this:
"We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely deaths are to occur outside the hospital. We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, are&see, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio. ".
The flu numbers you keep touting are clearly stated by the CDC as not being accurate. Yet they're apparently the only numbers you pay any attention to.
Or would you rather address your constant changing story? Take your pick. Or go back to your rock and hide again until someone else comes along and expresses an OPINION which agrees with your delusion. Then you can come back out of hiding again and pretend you've been "pounding" me, when we both know you keep running away every time your cognitive dissonance rears its ugly head.
If you want to debate me on it, show me the numbers. Don't tell me supposition. Don't go running off to Bulgaria to get information from a group which contains no doctors, no persons with any background in medicine and no knowledge of what they're babbling about (which is obviously why you're so enamored of them). Don't make up more lies. First you don't know anyone who has had COVID-19, yet now you know dozens.
Frankly, you should change your handle to Septic tank because you're completely full of shit.
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[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2470131]The third screenshot. Wow. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]You're welcome. That one is an enigma. According to me she's a non-pro, according to people who have no knowledge of her, she's definitely a pro. Next thing they'll be telling me she's a man who's not even Colombian.
Anyway, she's, according to her, a Psychology student and a submissive. She's gone full blown submissive with me. Sends me about 15 minutes of video every day and always trying to come up with new stuff to please me.
About 2 weeks ago I suggested something to her for a video. I told her to get one of her friends to watch her masturbate in a video. So she asked her best friend (who I've been talking to, but wasn't getting anywhere with). The friend went straight to doing a lesbian video for me (for a price). That happened in a motel in San Antonio de Prado (which explains another post of mine) Thursday.
It was obvious that they've never done this before, at least not together, which makes it better.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2470169]Well said, I have been saying the exact same thing. This is so bad and in my opinion quarantines are just not working that well, besides killing the economies and ruining people's lives.[/QUOTE]Quarantines don't work if people don't follow them and quarantine. Same as distancing, same as lock downs, etc. They work when people follow them, and they don't work when even a significant minority do not follow them. That's the main difference between countries where it has worked and continues to work, and countries where it doesn't work.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2470226]Quarantines don't work if people don't follow them and quarantine. Same as distancing, same as lock downs, etc. They work when people follow them, and they don't work when even a significant minority do not follow them. That's the main difference between countries where it has worked and continues to work, and countries where it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]We've experienced the same thing in recent years with vaccinations. It only took a relatively small group of anti-vaxxers to bring back outbreaks of the measles. I expect we'll start seeing polio again within a few years.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2471576]International travel bans now are to reduce the strain on local resources while countries attempt to get their infection rate under control.[/QUOTE]Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2471576]A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January.[/QUOTE]Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2471576]Everyone wants to make it political. Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion. Until we start treating it like a disease instead of a way to score points, nothing is going to change.[/QUOTE]Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.
Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.
The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.
In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases.
As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.
I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.
So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.
I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.
Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.
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Facts for a Change.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2471576]A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472034]Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.[/QUOTE]There wasn't any air travel in 1918. But there was extensive troop movements from the United States to Great Britain and France which was largely credited with the spread the disease over to most of Europe.
You could research your facts by reading the Wikipedia page on the Spanish Flu and reading about how the troop movements spread the disease.
Now I do understand that you want to try and one-up JjBee62 and challenge anything he says whether the facts support you or not. You could just grow up, ignore his posts and concentrate on the true purpose of this forum which is about Medellin Colombia and the entertainment options. We don't really need to analyze epidemiological events from 100 years ago. If you can't help yourself, let's talk about whether the strict quarantine for.
3 day weekends where (like today) there aren't any people out and very little traffic on La 70 (normally one of the busiest streets in Laureles) is doing any good or not. Will the mayor's new policies abate the recent rapid growth curve and how long will it continue. That might be somewhat interesting to someone instead of your "I have to win an argument just once against jibee62".
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472034]Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before.
Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.
Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.
Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.
The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.
In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases.
As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.
I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.
So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.
I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.
Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.[/QUOTE]All kinds of ways of denying the simple and obvious. And there's nothing significant that has changed since late January when the WHO was warning how serious this could be. This virus spreads when people are close enough together that the receiver gets close enough to the infected person to get infected. Number one and by far the most significant way it spreads. Second, by touching something with active virus and then touching your face (eyes, nose especially).
Everything else is just refinement of that knowledge. The big discussion over aerosol transmission versus droplet, droplet size, etc. Is minute differences in how it might spread. The vast majority spreads exactly in the way that many viruses spread. This one is reasonably contagious, but not as much so as some (fortunately).
Countries and places that have got the majority of the people to follow distancing and basic hygiene protocols have seen the virus "are" factor below 1 - in other words declining cases, and after a few months to almost 0 cases. Irrespective of how the "rules" they have sound, it is how people behave. Parts of the US have had similar rules to others, with different results. But when analysis of how many people have actually followed the guidelines or rules is done the answer is the same. It is easy to predict the infection rates by knowing how many different people are in contact with each other and in close proximity.
No need for stories about why this is being allowed, who is behind it, etc.
Travel bans have certainly helped Canada. As with almost everywhere initially all the cases were "imported". But we didn't act soon enough on that. But when we put a general requirement that everyone coming back (citizens, residents) and everyone entering (tourists, immigrants, whatever) had to quarantine the new cases peaked, and since around mid May have been going down. Due to all kinds of reasons, mostly that people stopped mixing and being in proximity (lots of different ways that was done. All well known). Cases in the country can now almost all be considered "mopping up" as there are situations where large families had cases generating more as time went on, for example, or right now a series of religious communes where there have been three or four rounds of infection. And of course testing, contact tracing, all of those things. Which work a lot better when the case load is low enough they can be done in a thorough way.
As an example, the last day of reporting (Friday I think) there were over 30,000 tests in my province. There were less than 200 new cases I believe. There are very few left in intensive care, etc. And believe me, when someone tests positive there are a swarm of health people following up on all contacts, etc. That wasn't so when things were at the peak, but again, once numbers get to a manageable level it allows a lot better followup, and allows us to get back to some version of normal. And to keep it that way people are ok with masks in indoor public spaces, distancing while shopping, etc. Etc.
Anyway. I only post this to give people a sense of hope. I think this virus can be beat. But until it is a worldwide effort we won't be able to travel normally and do a lot of things we would like to do.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472034]Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.[/QUOTE]Here we go again with the Houdiniesque contortions, and just plain false information. Chile is seeing a decline in cases and death numbers over the past two months.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/[/URL]
They are also the most developed country in South America.
[URL]https://idesa.org/article_english/chile-is-the-most-developed-country-in-latin-america/[/URL]
Another affluent South American country, Uruguay, is also doing well with only 35 total deaths. But these are the exception in their region, not the rule.
Much of the non-compliance is poverty related, which involves living in crowded households, plus an absence of refrigerators and means to stock up food. Shopping is often done in crowded markets. There is plenty of poverty in Argentina, with a rate over double that of Chile.
[URL]https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/poverty-rose-to-35-4-percent-in-first-half-of-2019-reports-INDEC.phtml[/URL]
Argentina also has a substantially higher poverty rate then their neighbor Brazil. It thus should come as no surprise that their graphs follow a similar trajectory. It all can be reviewed here.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
Not to mention that we know how the disease is spread. The non-compliance in the US, lack of social distancing, masks, etc. Relate more to arrogance and fake news than poverty. The successes in Western Europe relate to implementing the simple and correct strategies. All the smoke and mirrors in the world won't make these truths go away. Though I'm confident you'll keep trying.
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Pay attention you idiotic, cock swallowing, anal polyp.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472034]Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before. [/QUOTE]I already covered that. Once again, because you're only useful as a sperm sponge, you missed the fucking point. Each country, which last time I checked includes Colombia, is dealing with controlling the spread of the virus. That's where they are allocating resources. Opening up international travel leaves them with 2 options. They can either say "Fuck it" and let whoever come in without any preventative measures, or they can move resources to the airports, testing, isolating, quarantining and enforcing, to keep any visitors from adding to the problem. Which means they have to take away from their efforts to stop the spread they are trying to deal with.
It has the same to do with politics as your effective IQ, A Huge Fucking Zero.
[QUOTE]Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.[/QUOTE]Do you have to try to be so fucking clueless, or does it just come naturally? Since you seem to have missed out on learning history, I'll fill in one of the gaps. International travel has been around for a long fucking time. Viruses don't get seasick. They weren't just sitting around waiting for a plane. There's these things called "ships. " They carry passengers. Often ships, loaded with passengers, travel between countries. Often, if there are infected people on the ships diseases are carried from country to country.
Earlier today a squirrel ran across the road in front of me. I yelled "stupid squirrel" and the cheeky little bastard yelled back "at least I'm smarter than Elvis. " Had to give him that one.
[QUOTE]Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.[/QUOTE]Again, you're true to form. You fail completely to understand the simplest direct statement. If I wrote "Red is a primary color" you'd reply that people in Laos don't eat bacon for breakfast, therefore I'm wrong.
I wrote: "Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion. ".
I didn't say viruses spread the same. I said they behave the same. I understand, to you, "behave" and "spread" always mean the same because, whenever your current daddy tells you to behave you spread your ass cheeks for him, but viruses aren't like that.
Any virus looks for a host. That's it. It doesn't look for a host that drives a BMW. It doesn't look for a host that lives at the beach. It looks for a host. Period. When it finds a host it attempts to replicate its RNA code. It does this in the jungle, in the desert, in the mountains and at the beach. It does this in the cities, towns and rural areas.
How many hosts are available in an area affects the rate at which the virus spreads, but it has no effect on the behavior of the virus.
[QUOTE]Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.[/QUOTE]You haven't been on point since your last new butt plug. Don't try to claim you're getting on point now, unless daddy just sent you a care package.
Cases are surging. That's all you need to know. Which is extremely fortunate because your capacity for knowledge is about the same as my capacity for the abject stupidity of every one of your posts. We know how to stop the cases from surging. We've already done it. Many places are still doing it. The US is not doing it. As for Peru, Chile and Argentina, I give zero fucks about them. I'm not in Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have no plans to go to Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have not once mentioned them except to tell you that I'm not writing about them.
There are 3 countries I'm paying attention to, the US, Canada and Colombia. The first 2 because my time is split 80-20 between the two and Colombia so I know when to start planning a trip.
But let's talk about "severe lockdowns. " There's a section of I-75 between Findlay and Beaverdam, Ohio with signs saying Speeding and distracted driving violations are strictly enforced with zero tolerance. Guess how effective that strict enforcement is. Just about as effective as the "severe lockdowns" in Colombia. Sure the Parque Lleras clubs are closed, but every single night, all the people who would normally be partying at a club are partying at someone's apartment, or out in the streets. Ask the guys in El Centro how many days Plaza Botero was completely empty.
[QUOTE]The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.[/QUOTE]DATA? You dare to use the word "Data" you fucking testicle rest of a hypocrite? You've been claiming all the data is wrong for months. You repeatedly ignore all data presented to you and now you want to tell me what the data supports? You wouldn't recognize Data if Brent Spiner was face fucking you.
Italy and Spain learned their lesson. They understand what they need to do. South America is learning the same lesson right now. They'll figure it out.
[QUOTE]In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases. [/QUOTE]Your opinion is worth slightly less than a piece of toilet paper stuck to a fat lady's shoe.
Have you been to Canada recently? Say at any time in the past 3 months? You want to know why Canada has seen a decline? For 2 months Canadians stayed the fuck at home. At least I assume they were at home, because they sure as shit weren't in their cars driving to and from work. They weren't at the malls, movie theaters, schools or churches. They sat at home and waited it out. When they began opening back up, they paid attention to the numbers. In short they did all the things that were so heavily criticized in the US states that were effective at flattening the curve.
You see, the big problem in the Americas can he summed up with one word: "You. " It's the fucking shitskulls like you who haven't a fucking clue about anything beyond your own nose, who want to drive the ship. You pissed and moaned like a fucking infant when someone in Texas told you to wear a mask. You've jumped on every single conspiracy theory like a god-damned jackrabbit on Viagra. You change your fucking opinion more often than they change the toilet paper roll at the Diarrhea Institute. You babble incoherently about science, without knowing what the fuck science is and then you whine about the economy. If stupidity was a crime, you'd have been executed 47 times and would still be locked in a cell for the next 30 billion years.
[QUOTE]As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.[/QUOTE]There's no point in debating with me because your knowledge of debate is roughly equal to a pile of kangaroo shit's knowledge of string theory, although that's doing a disservice to the kangaroo shit.
The CDC did not say masks don't work. At the beginning, the CDC recommended people not hoard masks because the US did not have enough masks for the people who desperately needed them. Once the mask shortage was dealt with they recommended and continue to recommend the use of masks.
Part of your problem, aside from the oxygen deprivation you're experiencing from having your head so far up your ass, is that you haven't a fucking clue what science is. You look at science as if it's some stock pick from a bunch of Bulgarian goat fuckers. Science isn't a matter of right and wrong. It's a set of tools for the accumulation of knowledge. The most important tool is "I don't know. " From there you begin to add knowledge. Sometimes you go the wrong way and have to backtrack, but you've still gained knowledge from your mistakes.
Science can't give a definitive answer on how many will die. Science can only make projections based upon what actions are being taken.
Let's try an analogy. Not for you, because I'm fairly certain you think an analogy is a large, wooden toy for your ass, but for the people who are smarter than mildew.
If someone is driving from point A to Point be at 50 mph and the distance is 300 miles, science says the trip will take 6 hours (get someone to do the math for you). Science doesn't take into account how many times the driver stops to piss. It doesn't consider that the guy might drive 30 minutes and decide to go home. It only considers the available data.
When the experts made predictions, those predictions were based upon following a certain path. Any change in the path invalidates the predictions. Every single time the US has changed the path. Asia and Europe followed the path.
[QUOTE]I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.[/QUOTE]It's as if your brain can't retain anything more than 2 seconds. If it turned out to be a disaster, the decision wasn't a good one. "Even though the explosion killed the guy and destroyed 3 apartments, I think his decision to take a bath in gasoline while smoking was a good one. ".
Are you competing with yourself to come up with ever more idiotic statements?
The southern states decisions had nothing to do with data from anywhere. Trump said "open back up" and they said "okay. ".
[QUOTE]So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.[/QUOTE]What? How in the fuck did you go from southern states opening back up being a disaster to "So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one?" What fucking planet did you leave your brain cells on? "Yesterday I ate 2 hot dogs. So my decision to shove my head up my ass was based on ergonomics. ".
The decision to open back up Colombia is a Colombian decision. Whether they decide to make it a political decision or decide to base it upon controlling the spread of disease is up to them. They aren't consulting with fucking morons over how to make the decision. If they decide to, I'm sure someone will come looking for you.
[QUOTE]I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.[/QUOTE]The tip of My. Everest rises 29,029 feet above sea level. Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench is 36,200 feet below sea level. Combine the two and it's still nowhere near the depths of your ignorance.
Not one time have the scientists been wrong. But it does no good when festering ass boils like yourself refuse to listen. If I tell you, "take a right turn at the next light and you'll avoid all the traffic", but you take a left turn, it's not my fault you're stuck in a jam for the next hour.
At the beginning, the scientists said "we need to start testing, we need to isolate, we need contact tracing. " Instead, we did nothing. They said we need to start shutting down now. Instead we waited almost a month. They said "more testing. " Instead we said "more testing makes us look bad. " They said "keep it shutdown until we have it under control. " Instead we said "we have to protect the economy. ".
Every step of the way the US has ignored what the experts have recommended and bilious enema extracts like you have been screaming for the US to ignore the experts. Then, you festering twat blisters have the gall to claim the experts don't know what they are talking about.
[QUOTE]Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.[/QUOTE]What good would that do? If I told you cheese is a dairy product you'd reply that the moon landing was a hoax propagated to install tracking devices in disposable diapers in order to bring about a new world order based upon a birthday card Karl Marx gave to his mother.
There is no scientific consensus on opening Colombia back up. You expect them to come out and say "Wednesday, November 18,2020 at 3:47 pm should be good?
The scientific consensus is that Colombia first needs to get the number of new cases to start falling. The scientific consensus is they do that by strict social distancing, the use of masks, avoiding unnecessary travel. Once the number of new cases drops below the level where Colombia can begin contact tracing, the scientific consensus is that Colombia can slowly begin opening things back up. The scientific consensus is increased testing will be necessary. Assuming the numbers continue to fall, Colombia can continue to restore things, until they are confident in their ability to detect and control any outbreaks. At some point, whenever Colombia decides they have the situation controlled and they are ready to allow international travel, Colombia will allow international travel. They will decide what restrictions there will be.
However, it's up to Colombia to decide whether they'll follow the scientific consensus, or if they'll listen to Chlamydia infested cunts like you.
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[QUOTE=Villainy;2472073]Now I do understand that you want to try and one-up JjBee62 and challenge anything he says whether the facts support you or not. You could just grow up, ignore his posts and concentrate on the true purpose of this forum which is about Medellin Colombia and the entertainment options.[/QUOTE]In all fairness you can't lay it all on Elvis. If you are going to tell him to "grow up" then you need to say the same to JJBee62 and several others. That assumes that the discussion needs to end, but I'm not convinced that it does. On the ground info on Medellin is scant at the moment. Plus there's the "Stupid Shit" thread for any overflow that the Admin can use at his discretion.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2472116]Pay attention you idiotic, cock swallowing, anal polyp.
Do you have to try to be so fucking clueless, or does it just come naturally? Since you seem to have missed out on learning history, I'll fill in one of the gaps. International travel has been around for a long fucking time. Viruses don't get seasick. They weren't just sitting around waiting for a plane. There's these things called "ships. " They carry passengers. Often ships, loaded with passengers, travel between countries. Often, if there are infected people on the ships diseases are carried from country to country.[/QUOTE]I did pay attention, ass wipe! You, being the Democrat dipshit that you are, said that if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread, a swipe at Trump. Now viruses can travel by ships. SO.
Earlier today a squirrel ran across the road in front of me. I yelled "stupid squirrel" and the cheeky little bastard yelled back "at least I'm smarter than Elvis." Had to give him that one.
Again, you're true to form. You fail completely to understand the simplest direct statement. If I wrote "Red is a primary color" you'd reply that people in Laos don't eat bacon for breakfast, therefore I'm wrong.
I wrote: "Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion."
I didn't say viruses spread the same. I said they behave the same. I understand, to you, "behave" and "spread" always mean the same because, whenever your current daddy tells you to behave you spread your ass cheeks for him, but viruses aren't like that.
Any virus looks for a host. That's it. It doesn't look for a host that drives a BMW. It doesn't look for a host that lives at the beach. It looks for a host. Period. When it finds a host it attempts to replicate its RNA code. It does this in the jungle, in the desert, in the mountains and at the beach. It does this in the cities, towns and rural areas.
How many hosts are available in an area affects the rate at which the virus spreads, but it has no effect on the behavior of the virus.
You haven't been on point since your last new butt plug. Don't try to claim you're getting on point now, unless daddy just sent you a care package.
Cases are surging. That's all you need to know. Which is extremely fortunate because your capacity for knowledge is about the same as my capacity for the abject stupidity of every one of your posts. We know how to stop the cases from surging. We've already done it. Many places are still doing it. The US is not doing it. As for Peru, Chile and Argentina, I give zero fucks about them. I'm not in Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have no plans to go to Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have not once mentioned them except to tell you that I'm not writing about them.
There are 3 countries I'm paying attention to, the US, Canada and Colombia. The first 2 because my time is split 80-20 between the two and Colombia so I know when to start planning a trip.
But let's talk about "severe lockdowns. " There's a section of I-75 between Findlay and Beaverdam, Ohio with signs saying Speeding and distracted driving violations are strictly enforced with zero tolerance. Guess how effective that strict enforcement is. Just about as effective as the "severe lockdowns" in Colombia. Sure the Parque Lleras clubs are closed, but every single night, all the people who would normally be partying at a club are partying at someone's apartment, or out in the streets. Ask the guys in El Centro how many days Plaza Botero was completely empty.
DATA? You dare to use the word "Data" you fucking testicle rest of a hypocrite? You've been claiming all the data is wrong for months. You repeatedly ignore all data presented to you and now you want to tell me what the data supports? You wouldn't recognize Data if Brent Spiner was face fucking you.
Italy and Spain learned their lesson. They understand what they need to do. South America is learning the same lesson right now. They'll figure it out.
Your opinion is worth slightly less than a piece of toilet paper stuck to a fat lady's shoe.
Have you been to Canada recently? Say at any time in the past 3 months? You want to know why Canada has seen a decline? For 2 months Canadians stayed the fuck at home. At least I assume they were at home, because they sure as shit weren't in their cars driving to and from work. They weren't at the malls, movie theaters, schools or churches. They sat at home and waited it out. When they began opening back up, they paid attention to the numbers. In short they did all the things that were so heavily criticized in the US states that were effective at flattening the curve.
You see, the big problem in the Americas can he summed up with one word: "You." It's the fucking shitskulls like you who haven't a fucking clue about anything beyond your own nose, who want to drive the ship. You pissed and moaned like a fucking infant when someone in Texas told you to wear a mask. You've jumped on every single conspiracy theory like a god-damned jackrabbit on Viagra. You change your fucking opinion more often than they change the toilet paper roll at the Diarrhea Institute. You babble incoherently about science, without knowing what the fuck science is and then you whine about the economy. If stupidity was a crime, you'd have been executed 47 times and would still be locked in a cell for the next 30 billion years.
There's no point in debating with me because your knowledge of debate is roughly equal to a pile of kangaroo shit's knowledge of string theory, although that's doing a disservice to the kangaroo shit.
The CDC did not say masks don't work. At the beginning, the CDC recommended people not hoard masks because the US did not have enough masks for the people who desperately needed them. Once the mask shortage was dealt with they recommended and continue to recommend the use of masks.
Part of your problem, aside from the oxygen deprivation you're experiencing from having your head so far up your ass, is that you haven't a fucking clue what science is. You look at science as if it's some stock pick from a bunch of Bulgarian goat fuckers. Science isn't a matter of right and wrong. It's a set of tools for the accumulation of knowledge. The most important tool is "I don't know. " From there you begin to add knowledge. Sometimes you go the wrong way and have to backtrack, but you've still gained knowledge from your mistakes.
Science can't give a definitive answer on how many will die. Science can only make projections based upon what actions are being taken.
Let's try an analogy. Not for you, because I'm fairly certain you think an analogy is a large, wooden toy for your ass, but for the people who are smarter than mildew.
If someone is driving from point A to Point be at 50 mph and the distance is 300 miles, science says the trip will take 6 hours (get someone to do the math for you). Science doesn't take into account how many times the driver stops to piss. It doesn't consider that the guy might drive 30 minutes and decide to go home. It only considers the available data.
When the experts made predictions, those predictions were based upon following a certain path. Any change in the path invalidates the predictions. Every single time the US has changed the path. Asia and Europe followed the path.
It's as if your brain can't retain anything more than 2 seconds. If it turned out to be a disaster, the decision wasn't a good one. "Even though the explosion killed the guy and destroyed 3 apartments, I think his decision to take a bath in gasoline while smoking was a good one. ".
Are you competing with yourself to come up with ever more idiotic statements?
The southern states decisions had nothing to do with data from anywhere. Trump said "open back up" and they said "okay. ".
What? How in the fuck did you go from southern states opening back up being a disaster to "So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one?" What fucking planet did you leave your brain cells on? "Yesterday I ate 2 hot dogs. So my decision to shove my head up my ass was based on ergonomics. ".
The decision to open back up Colombia is a Colombian decision. Whether they decide to make it a political decision or decide to base it upon controlling the spread of disease is up to them. They aren't consulting with fucking morons over how to make the decision. If they decide to, I'm sure someone will come looking for you.
The tip of My. Everest rises 29,029 feet above sea level. Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench is 36,200 feet below sea level. Combine the two and it's still nowhere near the depths of your ignorance.
Not one time have the scientists been wrong. But it does no good when festering ass boils like yourself refuse to listen. If I tell you, "take a right turn at the next light and you'll avoid all the traffic", but you take a left turn, it's not my fault you're stuck in a jam for the next hour.
At the beginning, the scientists said "we need to start testing, we need to isolate, we need contact tracing. " Instead, we did nothing. They said we need to start shutting down now. Instead we waited almost a month. They said "more testing. " Instead we said "more testing makes us look bad. " They said "keep it shutdown until we have it under control. " Instead we said "we have to protect the economy. ".
Every step of the way the US has ignored what the experts have recommended and bilious enema extracts like you have been screaming for the US to ignore the experts. Then, you festering twat blisters have the gall to claim the experts don't know what they are talking about.
What good would that do? If I told you cheese is a dairy product you'd reply that the moon landing was a hoax propagated to install tracking devices in disposable diapers in order to bring about a new world order based upon a birthday card Karl Marx gave to his mother.
There is no scientific consensus on opening Colombia back up. You expect them to come out and say "Wednesday, November 18,2020 at 3:47 pm should be good?
The scientific consensus is that Colombia first needs to get the number of new cases to start falling. The scientific consensus is they do that by strict social distancing, the use of masks, avoiding unnecessary travel. Once the number of new cases drops below the level where Colombia can begin contact tracing, the scientific consensus is that Colombia can slowly begin opening things back up. The scientific consensus is increased testing will be necessary. Assuming the numbers continue to fall, Colombia can continue to restore things, until they are confident in their ability to detect and control any outbreaks. At some point, whenever Colombia decides they have the situation controlled and they are ready to allow international travel, Colombia will allow international travel. They will decide what restrictions there will be.
However, it's up to Colombia to decide whether they'll follow the scientific consensus, or if they'll listen to Chlamydia infested cunts like you.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472111]Here we go again with the Houdiniesque contortions, and just plain false information. Chile is seeing a decline in cases and death numbers over the past two months
Yes, after having the highest number per capita in the whole America's hemisphere.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/[/URL]
They are also the most developed country in South America.[/QUOTE]Absolutely right. Paulie, the numbers have been going down, but they are also the highest per capita in the entire American hemisphere. That data does not support the notion that viral spread is due to noncompliance.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472111]Much of the non-compliance is poverty related, which involves living in crowded households, plus an absence of refrigerators and means to stock up food. Shopping is often done in crowded markets. There is plenty of poverty in Argentina, with a rate over double that of Chile.[/QUOTE]If the poverty is worse in Argentina, why is the per capita rate of infection 4 X higher than in Chile? Again, you have listed nothing showing compliance or poverty have anything to do with the spread of the virus. I agree that crowded living conditions facilitate the spread of the virus, but the data you provided is not supporting that opinion.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472111]Argentina also has a substantially higher poverty rate then their neighbor Brazil. It thus should come as no surprise that their graphs follow a similar trajectory. It all can be reviewed here.[/QUOTE]But your assertion falls apart again when you look at the total number of cases. Why does Brazil have three times as many cases per capita as Argentina?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472111]Not to mention that we know how the disease is spread. The non-compliance in the US, lack of social distancing, masks, etc. Relate more to arrogance and fake news than poverty.[/QUOTE]What does fake news have to do with viral spread?
So the reason the infection rates are dropping in New York and not in Arizona is due to compliance?
The general patterns in the Americas are not following those of Asia and Europe. Hell, policies varied in the USA from state to state as did the infection rates.
Colombia and Peru implemented stricter rules than anywhere in Europe and their rates have not gone down, and the reason for this is non-compliance? Based on what data? They also didn't allow international air travel. Show me the data that proves noncompliance in Peru and Colombia overwhelmed the international air travel ban they enacted and Europe did not.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472111]The successes in Western Europe relate to implementing the simple and correct strategies. All the smoke and mirrors in the world won't make these truths go away.[/QUOTE]That assertion is pure smoke and mirrors. Which strategy do you mean? Spain's? Sweden's? Poland's? If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not, then why is Spain's rate per capita twice as high as Mexico and 8 X higher than Poland?
None of this fits. All you are doing is more Trump bashing. If only Trump would have done what the geniuses in Europe did, all in the Americas would be well. That is ridiculous. Something else is going on in the Americas.
You Demorats have been spouting Trump as being the cause of everything bad with the virus since February: [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html[/URL].
And nothing has changed.
You guys keep pushing the notion that scientists know all there is to know about the virus, and Trump stupidly has ignored them when scientists and the data have been all over the place. You guys cannot even have an intelligent conversation without bashing Trump and bashing me, and all I really want to talk about is when is Colombia going to open up.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472120]In all fairness you can't lay it all on Elvis. If you are going to tell him to "grow up" then you need to say the same to JJBee62 and several others. That assumes that the discussion needs to end, but I'm not convinced that it does. On the ground info on Medellin is scant at the moment. Plus there's the "Stupid Shit" thread for any overflow that the Admin can use at his discretion.[/QUOTE]In my defense, as soon as it becomes apparent it's going to become another argument from idiocy from Elvirus, I don't wait for admin to move my response to this thread. I post directly here.
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I don't know a gd thing about virus. All I know is that when the mf surfaced, the government of Thailand said you are going to do this, this, and that or you are going to jail and will be fined. MFs complied. Now there is no more virus here. One board member had to pay the police $30 on the spot because he was outside walking around and didn't have his mask on.
I don't blame them fir not wanting to let in nasty ass foreigners that think they know everything and want to break all the rules. And this ia coming from a rule breaking mf.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472125]I did pay attention, ass wipe! You, being the Democrat dipshit that you are, said that if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread, a swipe at Trump. Now viruses can travel by ships. SO.[/QUOTE]Talk about a massive fail! I appreciate your inability to properly quote. Or are you trying to pretend you wrote my post?
I did not say "if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread." Here's what I did say:
"A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January."
It's not a swipe at Trump, it's a simple, factual statement. Last time I checked, Trump doesn't rule the entire planet. Barring a credible threat of total nuclear annihilation, there's nothing Trump could do to shut down all international travel for every country. The key word I used was "pandemic. " If it's just limited to a few countries, it's an epidemic. An epidemic is easier to deal with, because unaffected countries have a vested interest in preventing it from becoming a pandemic.
Worldwide, every country failed initially, which is to be expected. Civilian populations aren't prepared or trained to respond to casualty situations. Governments are incapable of the immediate action required. A pandemic, at some point, was inevitable. It happened in 2020. It's easy to point out where mistakes have been made. It's easy unless you're unable to accept the possibility that Trump is capable of making a mistake. Then it becomes.
Well, it becomes every one of your posts. It becomes a Rube Goldberg post trying to blame everyone else.
I have no interest in blaming Trump for the US disaster. I don't need to try and make him look bad. Pointing fingers doesn't fix anything. Learning from previous mistakes is how you fix things. Learning from the success of others is how you fix things.
However, rule number 1 of leadership is quite simple: "You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility."
Anyone who served in the military should recall those words. Every previous President has understood them. As president, the responsibility lands on Trump's desk, whether he accepts it or not. That's reality. Cry or cheer, but it still doesn't fix things.
Nothing about the disease is unique to the US. Not even the US response is unique. We are getting the predicted results every time. If we want better results, we need a better response.
We've had good results in some places, particularly in the northeast. If NYC can get things under control, every city can do it.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: "We know what works."
Until we decide to do what is necessary, nothing gets better.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472315]I don't know a gd thing about virus. All I know is that when the mf surfaced, the government of Thailand said you are going to do this, this, and that or you are going to jail and will be fined. MFs complied. Now there is no more virus here. One board member had to pay the police $30 on the spot because he was outside walking around and didn't have his mask on.
I don't blame them fir not wanting to let in nasty ass foreigners that think they know everything and want to break all the rules. And this ia coming from a rule breaking mf.[/QUOTE]Exactly. New Zealand did the same. It's the same as all those firefighting drills we did in the Navy. You see smoke, you start dumping AFFF on it and you keep that foam flowing until the fire is out.
You don't stop 3 minutes in while everyone argues over whether it's better to let the fire burn.
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The Non-Sequitur Kid
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]Absolutely right. Paulie, the numbers have been going down,[/QUOTE]Then the virus isn't "spreading like crazy" in Chile as you claimed. The data proved you wrong. They are seeing a big decline in new cases and deaths over the last two months. Looks like they are doing something right. Uruguay is also looking good.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]but they are also the highest per capita in the entire American hemisphere. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]That data does not support the notion that viral spread is due to noncompliance.[/QUOTE]That "data" is neither here nor there when you try to diminish the value of masks and social distancing in containing the spread of the virus. Per capita death rates count from the beginning. A number of countries got off to a rough start then started getting it right. Some still aren't getting it right. Non-sequitur #1.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]If the poverty is worse in Argentina, why is the per capita rate of infection 4 X higher than in Chile? [/QUOTE]What's with this word salad? How can Argentina have a per capita infection rate four times that of Chile if Chile has the highest infection rate in the Americas? But this stat likewise is neither here nor there for reasons just stated. It's a non-sequitur. Non-sequitur #2.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]Again, you have listed nothing showing compliance or poverty have anything to do with the spread of the virus.[/QUOTE]It's common knowledge. There have been plenty of articles on the logistics in South America and how such has contributed to the spread. The non-compliance in Bogota is well documented. We also know the science of how the virus is spread as it relates to person to person contact and transfers that start with touching surfaces.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]But your assertion falls apart again when you look at the total number of cases. Why does Brazil have three times as many cases per capita as Argentina? [/QUOTE]Brazil's Wing Nut, Trump buttboy president who caught the virus himself surely has a lot to do with this, with his laissex faire approach from the start and lifting lockdowns in early June while deaths were peaking. He has fought his health ministers tooth and nail the whole way. Irregardless both countries are seeing a significant upward trajectory in confirmed cases and deaths. None of this even begins to obscure non-compliance as a significant factor in the rise in cases and deaths in many areas of the Americas. Non-sequitur #3. Your ever shifting arguments fell apart months ago, and all we've seen since is a scramble to try and save face.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-eases-lockdown-coronavirus-deaths-peak-bolsonaro-ignores-2020-6[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]What does fake news have to do with viral spread?[/QUOTE]Fake news tells lies that encourage arrogance and discourage compliance. You knew that already. Examples are legion, but here is one of the more bizarre ones. She actually reminds me of you, loads of pontificating, but no source citations and errors galore.
[URL]https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavir[/URL] . H-spirits /.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]The general patterns in the Americas are not following those of Asia and Europe. Hell, policies varied in the USA from state to state as did the infection rates.[/QUOTE]And many states that opened up too quickly saw spikes in infections. All of this has been covered in the past here with lists and data sources. Even Fox News is reporting it.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]Colombia and Peru implemented stricter rules than anywhere in Europe and their rates have not gone down and the reason for this is non-compliance? Based on what data? [/QUOTE]Here's an excerpt from a Yale. Edu article regarding the failures of the Covid response in Peru. Follow the link at the bottom to read the entirety.
"Nonetheless, three months later, media outlets report the failure of these measures, stressing the existence of a paradox between the intensity of the containment measures and the virus' rapid spread among the population. Public health experts and economists highlighted four conditions that explain this paradox: the number of tests, the irregularity of the quarantine, the presence of crowds in markets and banks, and the level of overcrowded housing.
Due to the wide range in test availability, the comparative picture is imperfect. Peru ranks second in terms of tests for the region, yet public health experts agree that evolution of the country's infection rates is still incongruent with what would have been expected, considering Peru's stringent response.
Experts then turn to three other conditions: the high volume of informal labor, more than 70 percent in Peru; high social and economic inequalities; rooted cultural differences and behavioral patterns that include consistent disrespect for laws."
[URL]https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails[/URL]
So do we listen to Yale with their responsible, well sourced article? Or rather a conspiracy theory loving hack flopping around for months in a monger forum?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]They also didn't allow international air travel. Show me the data that proves noncompliance in Peru and Colombia overwhelmed the international air travel ban they enacted and Europe did not.[/QUOTE]Huh? Europe has had plenty of limitations on air travel. This applies to within the EU and to countries on the outside as well. Put that back in your ass. It doesn't work.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitmore/2020/06/18/the-europe-travel-ban-whats-open-and-who-can-travel/[/URL]#1 cc37 a734 c3 b.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]That assertion is pure smoke and mirrors. Which strategy do you mean? Spain's? Sweden's? Poland's? If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not, then why is Spain's rate per capita twice as high as Mexico and 8 X higher than Poland?[/QUOTE]Per capita deaths rates going back to the beginning of the pandemic are irrelevant when considering the value of masks, social distancing, and testing. Spain is doing very well as of late, as is the rest of Western Europe as a whole. Check the graphs. And that's why most of the world welcomes travelers from the EU and the US is shut out. They have implemented the correct strategies and we in many instances have not. Non-sequitur #4.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]None of this fits. All you are doing is more Trump bashing.[/QUOTE]Remove your parade of non-sequiturs and it all fits like a glove. And it's all in accord with the analysis of virtually every contagious disease specialist in the world. Social distancing, masks, and testing with follow ups work. This is all also quite consistent with how we know the disease spreads. And none of this has anything to do with our toddler and chief. For the record I'm a moderate that votes Republican about half the time. This isn't about liberals versus conservatives, but conspiracy theory, anti-science, myth embracing malcontents versus reasonable people. The majority of conservatives are not in your boat.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]You Demorats.[/QUOTE]See above.
That said we are going in circles. You spin out a series of fallacies trying to muddy the waters in matters of the obvious, then I unravel it. You are welcome to the last word, at least for the time being. I'm piled up with work for this week but may jump back in at a point. JJBee62 though is a trucker that gets bored out on the road, so he will likely dance with you some more. Yes we do all have one thing in common, we all want to get back into Colombia.
P.S. For those unfamiliar with the term non-sequitur there is plenty on it in Google. In a word, this occurs when the conclusions someone comes to do not flow from the assertions and / or evidence they presented. Another term for it is "invalid inference. " Example: "Mary bakes the best cakes in town. She should run for mayor. " It's a favorite of Elvis, that and just spinning out pure BS in the hopes that no one notices.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2472365]Exactly. New Zealand did the same. It's the same as all those firefighting drills we did in the Navy. You see smoke, you start dumping AFFF on it and you keep that foam flowing until the fire is out.
You don't stop 3 minutes in while everyone argues over whether it's better to let the fire burn.[/QUOTE]Good analogy.
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P.S. Forgot
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472203]If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not,[/QUOTE]For the record this was never claimed. Two Latin American countries were acknowledged as doing well as of late, Chile and Uruguay. And the whole of Europe was not referenced but Western Europe, and in the past more specifically the EU. But such betrays someone's positions as bankrupt, when they are continually erecting and attacking strawmen. When one attacks a caricature of their own making the argument of the opponent remains untouched. It's also dishonest and destroys credibility. Seems JJBee62 spends at least half of his time unraveling this twot's non-sequiturs, strawmen, and various flipflops. Lolol.
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2472315]I don't know a gd thing about virus. All I know is that when the mf surfaced, the government of Thailand said you are going to do this, this, and that or you are going to jail and will be fined. MFs complied. Now there is no more virus here. One board member had to pay the police $30 on the spot because he was outside walking around and didn't have his mask on.[/QUOTE]Wasn't there a crowded indoor sporting event in Bangkok after the virus was detected there? Do the people really maintain proper distancing on the trains in Bangkok? I'm just curious, because as crowded as the trains are normally, it must take forever to get anywhere maintaining proper distance.
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One More Link
The whole issue with the struggles in Latin America with containing the virus is hardly rocket science. It's just common sense. It comes down to demographics and logistics, and the often extreme difficulty with adhering to best practices.
"And those who are being hit the hardest, say public health experts, are those most vulnerable: migrants in border communities, working-class and poor people living in overcrowded quarters, and indigenous communities along the Amazon basin. The latter, which encompasses nine countries in South America, is seeing cumulative incidence rates up to five times higher than the general population, PAHO says.
'You can lock down the countries, but once you open the economies, COVID-19 impacts the poorest communities and this is what we have seen today in Colombia, Argentina and Chile,' said Carlos Espinal, director of the Global Health Consortium at the Robert Stempel College of Public Health at Florida International University in Miami. Regional experts say the surge in new infections is being fueled by the precarious conditions of Latin America's poor, many of whom live in overcrowded conditions and are dependent on informal, day-to-day work for their daily survival, and the growing restlessness among the population after months of quarantine."
[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html[/URL]
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SD on skytrain in Bangkok
I was in Bangkok from December 26,2019 until April 2,2020 and took the sky train frequently. This train has become very popular as it has extensive connections throughout the city and is a better commute option for locals and tourists than dealing with the incredible automobile traffic and pollution.
When the virus first arrived in Bangkok in early February very few pax wore face masks and there was little SD on the trains. As the virus progressed, there was more space on the trains as tourists left the country and locals stayed or worked from home.
However, the Sky train system, called BTS, must have noticed the trains were less crowded so began reducing the amount of carriages for economic reasons thereby increasing the density on the trains. Finally, towards the end of March, the government required everyone to wear a mask and there were security personnel stationed on the platforms to make sure this policy was enforced. Gradually, social distancing increased and either more carriages were added or less people rode the trains. By the end of March, very few people were seen on the street and sois of Bangkok and this was also true on the trains. By the time I left, nighttime curfews were in effect starting at 10 pm until 4 am. All bars and entertainment venues were closed and even the public parks were closed on April 2nd. Most streets were deserted, even the main thoroughfares, and by the end of March the skies were clear and pollution free. A remarkable transformation!
As a postscript, Thailand, a country of 69 mm people, has enjoyed remarkable success in controlling the virus. They have had only 58 deaths attributed to the virus and at the present time only 112 people hospitalized according to today's Bangkok Post. This is particularly noteworthy due to their geographical proximity to China and the amount of Chinese tourists who visit yearly. The Chinese are number one in term of visitors to Thailand.
There has been a certain amount of speculation amongst medical experts as to the reasons but most countries in the Mekong Delta region have avoided the high death rates in other areas of the world. Some of it is attributed to the culture. In Thailand, personal hugging and handshakes are not part of the greeting culture, instead people bow and offer 'wais'. Masks wearing is widespread and is not a political issue and people are accustomed to wearing masks either to ward off pollution or recent memories of prior viruses that spread to this part of Asia from China. Also, when the government tells (orders) people to do something, they generally comply.
Finally, there has been some limited amount of study by scientists attempting to draw a connection with the mighty Mekong and its tributaries, whose headwaters originate in Southern China and rolls through Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia to the South China Sea. All of these countries, and even the southern province of China, have had less Covid cases and success in dealing with the virus compared to other parts of the world.
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2472451]Wasn't there a crowded indoor sporting event in Bangkok after the virus was detected there? Do the people really maintain proper distancing on the trains in Bangkok? I'm just curious, because as crowded as the trains are normally, it must take forever to get anywhere maintaining proper distance.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472432]For the record this was never claimed. Two Latin American countries were acknowledged as doing well as of late, Chile and Uruguay. And the whole of Europe was not referenced but Western Europe, and in the past more specifically the EU. But such betrays someone's positions as bankrupt, when they are continually erecting and attacking strawmen. When one attacks a caricature of their own making the argument of the opponent remains untouched. It's also dishonest and destroys credibility. Seems JJBee62 spends at least half of his time unraveling this twot's non-sequiturs, strawmen, and various flipflops. Lolol.
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman[/URL][/QUOTE]It doesn't take much time. He's easily predictable. Most of my time is spent coming up with original insults.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]Then the virus isn't "spreading like crazy" in Chile as you claimed. The data proved you wrong. They are seeing a big decline in new cases and deaths over the last two months. Looks like they are doing something right.[/QUOTE]If Chile and NY, which have similar data, are your examples of doing things right then you are a fool.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]The non-compliance in Bogota is well documented.[/QUOTE]By whom?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]Due to the wide range in test availability, the comparative picture is imperfect. Peru ranks second in terms of tests for the region, yet public health experts agree that evolution of the country's infection rates is still incongruent with what would have been expected, considering Peru's stringent response.[/QUOTE]Wow, so the data does not agree with the theory public health experts have been spouting all this time in Peru. So it is time to revisit the theory and policies then given that the data does not fit the theory and the policies did not work right? That is how you use the scientific method. Is that what Yale did?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]Public health experts and economists highlighted four conditions that explain this paradox: the number of tests, the irregularity of the quarantine, the presence of crowds in markets and banks, and the level of overcrowded housing.
Experts then turn to three other conditions: the high volume of informal labor, more than 70 percent in Peru; high social and economic inequalities; rooted cultural differences and behavioral patterns that include consistent disrespect for laws.[/QUOTE]No of course not. The blowhards at Yale just decided to come up with reasons they were right despite the data saying otherwise.
Let me go through these one by one: number of tests per Yale is the second most in Latin America so help me out with why the number of tests explains the paradox.
Irregularity of the quarantine? WTF does that even mean?
The presence of crowds in markets and banks and the level of overcrowded housing? Nope, these were known prior to Covid and are invalid.
The high volume of informal labor? WTF does that mean and what is known preCovid?
Social and economic inequalities? And this was not known prior to the Covid virus?
Rooted culture differences? Same thing. Why does this matter and was this fact not known prior to Covid?
Consistent disrespect for laws? Again, where is the data to support this? Where is is shown that Peru was more non compliant than other countries?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]So do we listen to Yale with their responsible, well sourced article?[/QUOTE]If this is your example of responsible and well sourced, there is nothing else to say. What happened here is the data didn't fit the theory from public health experts, theory you all subscribe to as fact. If the data does not fit your theory, you re-examine your theory or explain with data why it failed not make up bullshit excuses littered with Democrat talking points like income inequality, crowded conditions, and high volume of informal labor that were know prior to your making the theory.
This is not science. Science is based on proving theory with data. It is not making theory, seeing data that does not fit the theory, and then later making excuses as to why the theory is right. This is what I have been saying the whole time. The virus is new and claiming you have all the answers is an exercise in pomposity.
Furthermore, compliance rates should be part of any public health decisions. You do not get to make up policies and then later point to noncompliance as an excuse when your polices do not pan out.
For the record, I have not said masks do not work. If you can make laws requiring people to wear clothes, I see no difference between that and requiring people to wear masks. In that case, if masks might work, I do not understand why people should be against them.
As for social distancing, that is a complete joke. The USA Has funded operations in other countries using cell phone data to track people's movements, and I am sure they are doing it here in secret. The purpose of social distancing then is not to prevent the spread of the virus but tracking people who are known to be infected and seeing their contacts. THAT is certainly an effective means of curtailing the virus, but using GPS data for non-criminals is against the law as is knowing about an individual's health records without his consent.
So when a crisis comes up, and the government uses it to take away our rights or destroy them in secret, I am going to say, "Hang on a second", but obviously, you and JJBee don't care about civil rights because to you all, all government is good.
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New York huh?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]If Chile and NY, which have similar data, are your examples of doing things right then you are a fool. By whom? [/QUOTE]New York is an especially remarkable example of how to get things done. So much for your sudden love of "data." Check the graphs people, for new cases then daily deaths. Fucking impressive to say the least. You show yourself again as someone that wants to go back and forth until doomsday but has no interest in truth.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/[/URL]
Chile, though not remotely in the same league as New York is seeing a downturn the last two months.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]Wow, so the data does not agree with the theory public health experts have been spouting all this time in Peru. So it is time to revisit the theory and policies then given that the data does not fit the theory and the policies did not work right? That is how you use the scientific method. Is that what Yale did? [/QUOTE]It's obvious you don't know what the scientific method is and how it's applied. Not all investigations can be performed in a laboratory. It's perfectly appropriate to attempt to understand phenomenons after they occur, so your goal post move is a request for the impossible. If such isn't appropriate then all university history and criminology departments need to be closed without delay. Forget about studying crime scenes. All such is invalid on it's face with your mindset. That said, the demographics and logistics of South American societies are clear factors in their difficulties with containing the virus. As for the terminology in the Yale article that you don't understand, well educate yourself. Google is your friend. I'm not doing all the work for you. If you want to see support for the statements contained, then such is within the article via highlighted links. Follow them and read. But you'll of course never do this. Here's the Yale article plus three others that support the same thesis, and not just for Peru but other countries in the region as well.
And for the audience, remember where this all started? Elvis picked Peru in an attempt to prove that quarantines don't work, and by extension, that masks and social distancing are a waste of time. He claimed that Peru had strict quarantines but still had big troubles with the virus. Then it was pointed out that quaratines are meaningless without compliance, and that there has in fact been plenty of non-compliance in Peru and in many other parts of South America as well. Since then he's been scrambling, flipping, flopping, lying, and weaving fallacies trying to get out from under the weight of this. But he stepped on his dick and it's too late to undo it. He just stepped on it again, but this time with size 10 football cleets when he mocked New York.
[URL]https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails[/URL]
[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html[/URL]
[URL]https://thebogotapost.com/olis-big-topic-who-polices-the-police/46904/[/URL]
[URL]https://thebogotapost.com/strict-quarantine-to-return-to-bogota/47133/[/URL]
We can add to this primary source information from members of this forum who have reported it is "business as usual" in El Centro, Medellin.
And it's not just South America. There's plenty of non-compliance in my home state of Florida. I see it all the time in my city, and here's an article with support and quotes from the governor. And no, he's not a "Democrat. " LOL.
[URL]https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/article/florida-bars-ordered-to-stop-serving-alcohol-due-to-covid-19-spike[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]The blowhards at Yale just decided to come up with reasons they were right despite the data saying otherwise.[/QUOTE]Wow okay. You have shown yourself as the "blowhard" extraordinaire in this forum day after day for months. What "data saying otherwise?" There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules. There's no "data" that says that they stayed home and did not crowd in markets and banks. There's no data that says large amounts of poor people didn't live in crowded housing, or give up on the quarantine and go out looking for work. There's no "data" that says the police were highly successful at enforcing quarantine measures. As I told you last time, put that back in your ass. It doesn't work. There's much more involved in studying these phenomenons than looking at per capita infection and death rates since the start of the pandemic. But your dimwitted mentality explains well why you dissed New York.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673] If the data does not fit your theory, you re-examine your theory or explain with data why it failed not make up bullshit excuses littered with Democrat talking points like income inequality, crowded conditions, and high volume of informal labor that were know prior to your making the theory. [/QUOTE]South America has a lot of poverty moron. LOL Crowded households, large volumes of day laborers, vagabonds, crowded markets, and weak law enforcement are all part of the terrain. So if I mention all the homeless glue sniffers laid out in rows on the sidewalks in El Centro then I'm just reciting BS "democrat" talking points? Truth tends to be inflexible regardless of deflections.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]Furthermore, compliance rates should be part of any public health decisions. You do not get to make up policies and then later point to noncompliance as an excuse when your polices do not pan out.[/QUOTE]Public health officials in Latin America have no more control over compliance than the same in the US. My state Florida is swimming in non-compliance. Absent enforcement resources there isn't a lot that can be done about it. Yet another dimwitted statement from you.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]For the record, I have not said masks do not work.[/QUOTE]You are a liar, but what else is new?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]As for social distancing, that is a complete joke.[/QUOTE]Huh? The "scientific method" has demonstrated how the disease spreads. Keeping distance is a huge help as are masks. Your resistance to these practices and attempts to discredit them is where all these discussions began.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2472673]The USA Has funded operations in other countries using cell phone data to track people's movements, and I am sure they are doing it here in secret. The purpose of social distancing then is not to prevent the spread of the virus but tracking people who are known to be infected and seeing their contacts. THAT is certainly an effective means of curtailing the virus, but using GPS data for non-criminals is against the law as is knowing about an individual's health records without his consent.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. So the social distancing directives in the states are all data collection scams so they can assert control over you. What about every other country in the world that calls for social distancing? What scam are they running? What about your "scientific method" that demonstrates how the disease is spread? You are delusional. That's the bottom line here.
I played hooky tonight but will likely check back again. But I'm done responding to ridiculous statements, extreme goal post shifts, strawmen and other fallacies. I've already gone way beyond the call of duty with that. A reasonable point that hasn't already been covered and I'll likely respond, time permitting.
Cheers gentlemen. Anyone following the discussion do read the links. It's as obvious as the nose on your face. Demographics and logistics in South America are doing a lot to facilitate the spread of Covid.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472384]that and just spinning out pure BS in the hopes that no one notices.[/QUOTE]I noticed, and thus I stopped reading.
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Yep
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2473118]I noticed, and thus I stopped reading.[/QUOTE]That's probably the best strategy. And take notice of all the points he ignores. For example when he claimed that Europe didn't have any international travel bans. When proven conclusively wrong he drops it like a hot potato. What he does is pick one or two quotes out of a post he thinks he has the best chance of twisting, then goes to town with a range of fallacies, strawmen, burden shifting, non-sequitors, conspiracy theories, contradictions of prior statements, etc, then ends by playing the victim with a comment about Democrats or Trump. Very predictable.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472996]New York is an especially remarkable example of how to get things done.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/URL]
You lost me right there. New York has more deaths than anywhere else in the nation, and it is not even close. They have had 32,000 deaths. New Jersey is second at around 16,000, and no other state is even above 10,000, and these numbers are not in dispute.
Let me guess, Paulie, you and most other Republicans agree that New York is an example of getting things done.
If you are a Republican, I am Brad Pitt.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472996]And for the audience, remember where this all started? Elvis picked Peru in an attempt to prove that quarantines don't work, and by extension, that masks and social distancing are a waste of time. He claimed that Peru had strict quarantines but still had big troubles with the virus..[/QUOTE]Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.
This is from today in the NY Times, "Health officials initially gave confusing advice around wearing masks in public. " First thing the NY Times says is that "experts" gave out bad advice about masks. I have said if there is evidence they may work, they should be used. The downside IMO is limited. JJBee and you were dead wrong then about everything being clear from the get go not me. Your line about "by extension" is just you lying. I never said I was against masks. I said the experts did not know what they were talking about. You two lost on this point.
Peru and Colombia are absolute proof that generalized quarantines do not work. There is nothing else to talk about with that. Quarantining people who are not sick and have not been exposed to the virus is as boneheaded a concept as I have seen. You have lost here as well.
Social distancing IS a waste of time when it comes to the spread of the virus. It is a ruse to trace people to get their contact information because you need people to be six feet apart so the GPS on their phone can tell them apart. That data is being used right now: [URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/analysis-data-15m-phones-shows-some-americans-are-gathering-pre-n1229636[/URL].
So you lose on this point as well when you indicated this collection is not going on.
Using GPS data to track people's movements does work. I cannot say that you lost the point totally on social distancing, but if you think you are safe being 6 feet away from someone who is infected with Covid at Walmart but unsafe at 4 feet, you are an idiot.
Using phone data by the way is legal by the way if it is anonymous. But if you think this data is anonymous as are your medical records, I have a bridge to sell you.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2472996]There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules.[/QUOTE]You do not get to make a statement from New Haven on how people in Peru behaved by declaration. Given how readily available cell phone data is with regards to location and compliance, why is it not being used to back up the claim of lack of compliance? I have asked you for this multiple times to back up this claim and you have not provided it. Now you are trying to prove a negative which means you lost.
"The administration's travel restrictions were insufficient. " Colombia and Peru are absolute proof that travel restrictions did nothing. You lost this point as well as does JJBee when he claimed an air travel ban would have stopped the virus.
And the NY Times echoes your bird brained Fox News angle. "And the president's public statements — including claiming that the virus wasn't serious and would disappear — regularly spread misinformation. " This is as arrogant as it gets. If only we had a different president, the virus would not have spread. That is completely devoid of scientific evidence.
Given that 90% of the people getting Covid in my area are minorities, I think the evidence of Fox News and Trump spreading misinformation as a cause for the virus is incredibly thin. I think if people were asked about what Trump said about the virus most people could not remember anything specific. I cannot say you lost this point but I can say the evidence is not there.
But Paulie, here is the most disgusting thing about what you and JJBee have been spouting, and it is the NYT first point.
"The United States has a tradition of prioritizing individualism over government restrictions. ".
The NYT solution is completely debunked by Peru and Colombia, but it shows what THEIR agenda truly is. They want us all to cede control to the government.
As for me, government action on AIDS and the opioid crisis were unmitigated disasters. If you want to believe the experts totally know what they are talking about, have at it. You have convinced me of nothing outside of the fact that you two are in total lock step with the NYT and their desire to take away our individualism.
It makes me wonder why you guys bother going to Colombia at all.
Then it was pointed out that quaratines are meaningless without compliance, and that there has in fact been plenty of non-compliance in Peru and in many other parts of South America as well. Since then he's been scrambling, flipping, flopping, lying, and weaving fallacies trying to get out from under the weight of this. But he stepped on his dick and it's too late to undo it. He just stepped on it again, but this time with size 10 football cleets when he mocked New York.
[URL]https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails[/URL]
[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html[/URL]
[URL]https://thebogotapost.com/olis-big-topic-who-polices-the-police/46904/[/URL]
[URL]https://thebogotapost.com/strict-quarantine-to-return-to-bogota/47133/[/URL]
We can add to this primary source information from members of this forum who have reported it is "business as usual" in El Centro, Medellin.
And it's not just South America. There's plenty of non-compliance in my home state of Florida. I see it all the time in my city, and here's an article with support and quotes from the governor. And no, he's not a "Democrat. " LOL.
[URL]https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/article/florida-bars-ordered-to-stop-serving-alcohol-due-to-covid-19-spike[/URL]
Wow okay. You have shown yourself as the "blowhard" extraordinaire in this forum day after day for months. What "data saying otherwise?" There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules. There's no "data" that says that they stayed home and did not crowd in markets and banks. There's no data that says large amounts of poor people didn't live in crowded housing, or give up on the quarantine and go out looking for work. There's no "data" that says the police were highly successful at enforcing quarantine measures. As I told you last time, put that back in your ass. It doesn't work. There's much more involved in studying these phenomenons than looking at per capita infection and death rates since the start of the pandemic. But your dimwitted mentality explains well why you dissed New York.
South America has a lot of poverty moron. LOL Crowded households, large volumes of day laborers, vagabonds, crowded markets, and weak law enforcement are all part of the terrain. So if I mention all the homeless glue sniffers laid out in rows on the sidewalks in El Centro then I'm just reciting BS "democrat" talking points? Truth tends to be inflexible regardless of deflections.
Public health officials in Latin America have no more control over compliance than the same in the US. My state Florida is swimming in non-compliance. Absent enforcement resources there isn't a lot that can be done about it. Yet another dimwitted statement from you.
You are a liar, but what else is new?
Huh? The "scientific method" has demonstrated how the disease spreads. Keeping distance is a huge help as are masks. Your resistance to these practices and attempts to discredit them is where all these discussions began.
Gotcha. So the social distancing directives in the states are all data collection scams so they can assert control over you. What about every other country in the world that calls for social distancing? What scam are they running? What about your "scientific method" that demonstrates how the disease is spread? You are delusional. That's the bottom line here.
I played hooky tonight but will likely check back again. But I'm done responding to ridiculous statements, extreme goal post shifts, strawmen and other fallacies. I've already gone way beyond the call of duty with that. A reasonable point that hasn't already been covered and I'll likely respond, time permitting.
Cheers gentlemen. Anyone following the discussion do read the links. It's as obvious as the nose on your face. Demographics and logistics in South America are doing a lot to facilitate the spread of Covid.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473198]Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.[/QUOTE]Maybe the experts are not experts in this instance. I see that both sides are just comparing failures. Have you thought about changing approach by comparing failure to success? Vietnam is successful so far. How about using it or Korea to draw your conclusion?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473176][URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/URL]
You lost me right there. New York has more deaths than anywhere else in the nation, and it is not even close. They have had 32,000 deaths. New Jersey is second at around 16,000, and no other state is even above 10,000, and these numbers are not in dispute.
Let me guess, Paulie, you and most other Republicans agree that New York is an example of getting things done.
If you are a Republican, I am Brad Pitt.[/QUOTE]There was a time when I'd read something and think "nobody is that stupid. " Now I just laugh and think "Elvis can top that. " You never disappoint.
The effectiveness of any action or policy is measured by examining the change in the appropriate metrics. For example when a state passes a law requiring motorcycle riders to wear helmets you examine injury and death statistics before and after the law went into effect. In this way you have a measure of the law's impact.
What you don't do, except this is exactly what you do, is look at the statistics 5 years before the law was passed and say "obviously the law didn't work. "
At its peak, on April 14, New York reported over 11,500 new cases. Today they reported less than 750. At its peak, on May 6, New York reported 231 deaths. Today they reported 3.
Let's see how well your logic applies elsewhere.
In 1990 the New England Patriots had a record of 1 win and 15 losses. Therefore, historically they are one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Let's try another one. In 1877 the price of gold was $21.25. Therefore, if you have any gold, you should sell it to anyone offering more than $25 per troy ounce. Take that money and run.
The fact that New York, the site of the worst outbreak in the US, has been more effective than any other state at controlling the outbreak shows how well they handled it, and continue to handle it.
Do you watch any type of auto racing? In your tiny little world of abject stupidity, it's only the starting order which matters, not who wins the race.
Nobody else could be that stupid.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2473267]Maybe the experts are not experts in this instance. I see that both sides are just comparing failures.[/QUOTE]Exactly right, Nounce, however there is a bigger picture. "If you had to summarize our approach, it's really poor federal leadership — disorganization and denial," said Andy Slavitt, who ran Medicare and Medicaid from 2015 to 2017.
The NYT point is that if we had just listened to guys like Andy Slavitt all would be well right?
Who the fuck is Andy Slavitt? He is an Obama appointee who asked Congress to give him $50 billion to take on Covid and was turned down.
And a big chunk of that $50 billion was going to go to unneeded ventilators to boot.
But let us be a little objective here. Have I blamed JJBee or Paulie for the outbreak? No but JJBee blamed me. Similarly, has anyone blamed Cuomo for the outbreak? No, but Trump has been blamed. Fox News has been blamed but not the NY Times right?
What I think is that the government's approach had very little to do with the virus spreading. Sure, you can do contract tracing, frequent testing, targeted isolation, and it helps, but what pisses me off is the experts take on things. Everywhere the virus has calmed down it is due to the sound advice of experts. Everywhere it is raging, the people are non-compliant and stupid. Come on!
There may be people who know more about this virus than others, but nobody is a fucking expert on this virus. We are all learning. Show me one person who has been 100% right about everything. They do not exist.
When I said Colombia would be open with 99% certainty in July, that was based on the shape of the viral curve. That is why parts of the USA opened up. They were looking at the same data I was, and the virus surged instead of falling like it always had in the past. Why did that happen? I don't know, but Paulie and JJBee know as well as the NY Times. It was not due to a mutation or environmental conditions. No, it was due to stupid Trump and the stupid Republican governors. Give me a break!
Why has the virus been surging in Colombia and Peru when it has burned itself out in Europe? Tell the truth. Don't tell me the academic blowhards make a well reasoned case when they got everything wrong. No one knows why the virus is surging in South America, and no one can say what the best course of action is.
What seems to be lost in this discussion is no one said in March the virus would be eliminated. We were just going to flatten the curve, slow the speed at which the cases were spreading so we would not have to make decisions on who got treatment and who did not, and those life and death decisions never happened. However, the viral cases went way down in Europe and Asia, and many thought the same thing would happen in the Americas, and it didn't.
This whole discussion was supposed to be about when Colombia will be opening. Instead it was a mud fight about supposed experts. Colombia did everything the experts wanted, and the disease raged on anyway and now we have to listen to excuses from the experts who were wrong instead of them being honest and saying they do not know.
What I can say is that I do not think banning international travel is worth doing when the virus is already spreading domestically, so the decision to open up is going to be based more on politics than science.
The real reason Colombia should open up is the last reason the president will give. "I am opening up our airports again because let's be honest, I was wrong for banning international travel because that ban didn't do a fucking thing to slow down the virus here in Colombia. "
The president is going to have to put up with the likes of JJBee and the NYT though that keep spouting the crap that if international travel was banned, the virus would not have spread.
Of course, this is not fair. If the president opens things up and the virus surges, he gets the blame. If he keeps it closed, the economy suffers, and he gets the blame, and it does not help that the number of viral cases is still exploding in Colombia.
His only option then, and it has been the same option that has been exercised in the USA, is to open up slowly and see what happens. Despite the surge of cases in Colombia, one of my chicas told me the September 1 open date is still a go. There is just going to be a small percentage of international flights coming in as opposed to what happened in the past. The goal is to open things totally back up again in November.
The difference is that I do not pretend to know what is going to happen next outside of this. If nothing happens, I doubt the president will get any credit for making a bold move. If there is a surge of cases, you can be assured that there will be a bunch of experts and political opponents proclaiming how stupid he is.
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I see you still can't figure out how to properly quote. It's amazing the number of ways you manage to make yourself look like an idiot. But, I guess you have to play to your strength.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473198]Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.[/QUOTE]No. Peru didn't follow all the advice the experts gave. The government of Peru issued guidance based upon the experts advice. As was clearly explained in the Yale study, those guidelines were not adhered to by a significant segment of the population. The same has been true in Colombia.
You see, passing a law, or suggesting behavior isn't like waving a magic wand. It doesn't do anything, unless the people follow the law. Just last month Indiana made it illegal to have a cellphone in your hand while driving. I am, every day, in a unique position to see whether or not drivers have a cellphone in their hand. Want to guess how effective the law has been at getting people to put down the phone while driving?
[QUOTE]This is from today in the NY Times, "Health officials initially gave confusing advice around wearing masks in public. " First thing the NY Times says is that "experts" gave out bad advice about masks. I have said if there is evidence they may work, they should be used. The downside IMO is limited. JJBee and you were dead wrong then about everything being clear from the get go not me. Your line about "by extension" is just you lying. I never said I was against masks. I said the experts did not know what they were talking about. You two lost on this point.[/QUOTE]You threw a 3 year old temper tantrum when you were told you had to wear a mask to enter a store. You whined, bitched and cried about it like a fucking baby. Seriously. Like a fucking baby. Too late to change your story on that point.
"Experts. " There was no confusion from experts. The confusion was that a lot of brainless fuckweasels like yourself can't tell an expert from an enema. You actually get it completely wrong every time. The more shit someone is spewing, the more of an expert you think they are. The experts at the beginning said "stay home", "don't hoard masks", "keep your distance" and "you don't need N95 masks to go to Walmart. " Your"experts said "masks cause oxygen deprivation", "masks don't work" and "masks are unconstitutional. ".
[QUOTE]Peru and Colombia are absolute proof that generalized quarantines do not work. There is nothing else to talk about with that. Quarantining people who are not sick and have not been exposed to the virus is as boneheaded a concept as I have seen. You have lost here as well.[/QUOTE]You are absolute proof that it's possible to have an effective IQ under 20. There was no generalized quarantine in Colombia or Peru. Quarantines were ordered. Compliance is another story. Several board members have reported several times on both El Centro and Santa Fe. Did they report that both places were empty? No. They didn't. In fact some reports stated there were more people than before the quarantine.
For those who have large Facebook friend lists, they've seen posts every night showing parties going on. I've had girls I talk to in cities from Cucuta to Armenia tell me that it's mostly been business as usual.
[QUOTE]Social distancing IS a waste of time when it comes to the spread of the virus. It is a ruse to trace people to get their contact information because you need people to be six feet apart so the GPS on their phone can tell them apart. That data is being used right now: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/analysis-data-15m-phones-shows-some-americans-are-gathering-pre-n1229636.
So you lose on this point as well when you indicated this collection is not going on.
Using GPS data to track people's movements does work. I cannot say that you lost the point totally on social distancing, but if you think you are safe being 6 feet away from someone who is infected with Covid at Walmart but unsafe at 4 feet, you are an idiot.
Using phone data by the way is legal by the way if it is anonymous. But if you think this data is anonymous as are your medical records, I have a bridge to sell you.[/QUOTE]Bouncing around like a rubber ball again I see. I'm getting confused here. Is social distancing effective at stopping the spread of the virus, which is what you claimed for Texas? Or is social distancing not effective for stopping the spread of the virus which is what you claimed for New York and what you're claiming now. Does the virus call you up every day to find out whether or not social distancing is working that day?
Oh yes. It's all about tracking people's movements. Yep. Do you own stock in Alcoa? As often as you put on that tinfoil hat, it might be a good investment for you.
[QUOTE]You do not get to make a statement from New Haven on how people in Peru behaved by declaration. Given how readily available cell phone data is with regards to location and compliance, why is it not being used to back up the claim of lack of compliance? I have asked you for this multiple times to back up this claim and you have not provided it. Now you are trying to prove a negative which means you lost.
"The administration's travel restrictions were insufficient. " Colombia and Peru are absolute proof that travel restrictions did nothing. You lost this point as well as does JJBee when he claimed an air travel ban would have stopped the virus.[/QUOTE]No. On everything here. Just no. The claim of non-compliance for Peru has already been backed up multiple times. Your inability to understand simple English seems to prevent you from grasping it.
Once again, you duplicitous, cowardly, idiotic cock-nuzzling shit stick, pay attention:
In January, as I've said twice already, international travel restrictions, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have contained the virus in China. These things were not done. It's the same fucking thing that was done to contain Ebola. It's not too difficult of a concept to grasp.
As for Colombia and Peru, give it a fucking rest. Once a virus is among the population of a country, it won't disappear by banning international travel. The virus doesn't read the news and say "oh shit! They're shutting down international travel. We need to pack up and go to some country that's not stopping international travel. " It just blows my mind how incredibly fucking stupid you are.
[QUOTE]And the NY Times echoes your bird brained Fox News angle. "And the president's public statements including claiming that the virus wasn't serious and would disappear regularly spread misinformation. " This is as arrogant as it gets. If only we had a different president, the virus would not have spread. That is completely devoid of scientific evidence.
Given that 90% of the people getting Covid in my area are minorities, I think the evidence of Fox News and Trump spreading misinformation as a cause for the virus is incredibly thin. I think if people were asked about what Trump said about the virus most people could not remember anything specific. I cannot say you lost this point but I can say the evidence is not there.[/QUOTE]Although it's no longer necessary to point out that you're a brainless child with no understanding of anything remotely related to science, I'll state it again, in case anyone missed it.
It doesn't require a different President. It requires a President who follows common sense guidelines for infectious disease control. It requires a President who reads intelligence briefings and takes action based upon the advice of experts.
Doesn't matter at all who that President is, as long as he or she takes the appropriate action.
How many specific things Trump said about the virus do you want to hear?
Jan 22 - "It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine.
Feb 26 - "You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.
Mar 17 - "This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
There are plenty of other gems out there, but this has to be my all-time favorite:
Apt 23 - "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
Nobody said that the cause of the spread of the virus is the horribly irresponsible information put out by Trump and Fox News. The cause of the spread of the virus is that it's a virus, that spreads. Because that's what viruses do. The criminally stupid misinformation spread by Fox and Trump has been counter-productive to stopping the spread of the virus.
[QUOTE]But Paulie, here is the most disgusting thing about what you and JJBee have been spouting, and it is the NYT first point.
"The United States has a tradition of prioritizing individualism over government restrictions. ".
The NYT solution is completely debunked by Peru and Colombia, but it shows what THEIR agenda truly is. They want us all to cede control to the government.
As for me, government action on AIDS and the opioid crisis were unmitigated disasters. If you want to believe the experts totally know what they are talking about, have at it. You have convinced me of nothing outside of the fact that you two are in total lock step with the NYT and their desire to take away our individualism.
It makes me wonder why you guys bother going to Colombia at all.[/QUOTE]Nobody is trying to take away your right to be a clueless ass clown. I fully support your right to prove your unparalleled stupidity as often as you desire.
Peru and Colombia have debunked nothing, because as had been reported from multiple sources, there was no effective lockdown in Peru and Colombia. You can lie about it as often as you want, but it changes nothing.
Wait a second. The government action on AIDS was an unmitigated disaster? But you've repeatedly said AIDS was a complete hoax which didn't happen at all. How can there have been disastrous action on something which, according to you, never even existed?
Take away your individualism? By telling you to put on a fucking mask? That's it? You're already such a fucking clone that not wearing a mask is the only bit of individualism you have left? How sad and pathetic is that? Here's a tip for you: Get someone to make you a mask that says"I'm not wearing a mask. " Boom! You've salvaged your individualism.
Again: Nobody else could be that stupid.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473310]Exactly right, Nounce, however there is a bigger picture. "If you had to summarize our approach, it's really poor federal leadership disorganization and denial," said Andy Slavitt, who ran Medicare and Medicaid from 2015 to 2017.
The NYT point is that if we had just listened to guys like Andy Slavitt all would be well right?
Who the fuck is Andy Slavitt? He is an Obama appointee who asked Congress to give him $50 billion to take on Covid and was turned down.
And a big chunk of that $50 billion was going to go to unneeded ventilators to boot.
But let us be a little objective here. Have I blamed JJBee or Paulie for the outbreak? No but JJBee blamed me. Similarly, has anyone blamed Cuomo for the outbreak? No, but Trump has been blamed. Fox News has been blamed but not the NY Times right?
What I think is that the government's approach had very little to do with the virus spreading. Sure, you can do contract tracing, frequent testing, targeted isolation, and it helps, but what pisses me off is the experts take on things. Everywhere the virus has calmed down it is due to the sound advice of experts. Everywhere it is raging, the people are non-compliant and stupid. Come on!
There may be people who know more about this virus than others, but nobody is a fucking expert on this virus. We are all learning. Show me one person who has been 100% right about everything. They do not exist.
When I said Colombia would be open with 99% certainty in July, that was based on the shape of the viral curve. That is why parts of the USA opened up. They were looking at the same data I was, and the virus surged instead of falling like it always had in the past. Why did that happen? I don't know, but Paulie and JJBee know as well as the NY Times. It was not due to a mutation or environmental conditions. No, it was due to stupid Trump and the stupid Republican governors. Give me a break!
Why has the virus been surging in Colombia and Peru when it has burned itself out in Europe? Tell the truth. Don't tell me the academic blowhards make a well reasoned case when they got everything wrong. No one knows why the virus is surging in South America, and no one can say what the best course of action is.
What seems to be lost in this discussion is no one said in March the virus would be eliminated. We were just going to flatten the curve, slow the speed at which the cases were spreading so we would not have to make decisions on who got treatment and who did not, and those life and death decisions never happened. However, the viral cases went way down in Europe and Asia, and many thought the same thing would happen in the Americas, and it didn't.
This whole discussion was supposed to be about when Colombia will be opening. Instead it was a mud fight about supposed experts. Colombia did everything the experts wanted, and the disease raged on anyway and now we have to listen to excuses from the experts who were wrong instead of them being honest and saying they do not know.
What I can say is that I do not think banning international travel is worth doing when the virus is already spreading domestically, so the decision to open up is going to be based more on politics than science.
The real reason Colombia should open up is the last reason the president will give. "I am opening up our airports again because let's be honest, I was wrong for banning international travel because that ban didn't do a fucking thing to slow down the virus here in Colombia.[/QUOTE]If you want to discuss the things I have written, you chicken shit dingleberry farmer, quote my posts. This is how debate works. Of course you can't do that because then you won't be able to twist everything to fit your rampant psychosis.
I didn't blame you. I blamed people like you. Whining like someone took away your Anal Dominator 3000 "we have to save the economy."
The reason why the virus is surging and will continue to surge in the US, is because the US stopped trying to stop the virus in May. Instead the US, at the urging of Trump and his herd of sycophants, declared we had to open everything up to save the economy.
It takes 12 weeks to wipe out an outbreak of COVID-19. That's 12 weeks of shutdown, 12 weeks of social distancing, 12 weeks of doing everything possible to stop the spread. The US did 8 weeks. Now we're entering virgin territory. We have a virus which is everywhere and we're treating it like it doesn't exist. Nobody has any idea where it's going to end, because nobody has done any modeling based on doing absolutely nothing.
Colombia will not be open to international flights on September 1. I understand that a hooker told you that it will be open September 1, but I'm pretty sure she's not the hooker who is in charge.
Columbia might be open to international flights December 1, but I wouldn't be buying any non-transferable tickets.
You keep lying, time and time again, about what I have said, yet you absolutely fucking refuse to respond to my post where I said it. Grow a set of balls, or have your sugar daddy buy you a set so you can pretend to have testicles.
For the fourth time:
If international travel had been severely restricted in January, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, the virus could have been contained in China. This is exactly what was done to contain the Ebola virus. It's exactly what China did to control the spread of the virus in China, on an international scale.
You see viruses are simple little things. They don't own cars, or planes. They don't have tiny little jetpacks that allow them to flit about like the Motherfucking Jetsons. They have to rely upon infected hosts to take them places. Just like the syphilis which has completely destroyed your brain cells, the coronavirus can't move around the world without outside help.
Everyone, except for you, knows this. Even you have acknowledged it when you praised Trump for shutting down flights from China. Remember that? Of course everyone, except for you, realizes that if they can't fly direct from China to the US, they can fly to Europe and then fly to the US. Which means instead of LA getting all the infected passengers, without any testing requirements, without any quarantine or contact tracing, they all ended up in NYC and NJ.
As I've told you before, except you lack the spine to reply to my posts, the continued travel restrictions have very little to do with controlling the spread in each country. The continued travel bans are to allow each country to allocate resources where they are needed. Why put 200 people at every international airport in Colombia, taking temperatures, testing for COVID-19, interviewing every inbound passenger, establishing quarantine requirements and turning back any suspected carriers, just so a few brainless, nutless, semen swallowers like you can come and play? Why spend the money and manpower making certain none of the inbound passengers violate quarantine? Why add that burden to the other efforts to stop the spread? The economic impact of allowing international travel will be offset by costs at least 5 times as high, not to mention the added strain on testing capacity.
Colombia will not be business as usual September 1. When Colombia does open up for international flights, there will be restrictions on flights from any countries that have not managed to control the spread of the virus.
You can cry, whine, *****, lie and complain all you want and it's not going to change. No matter how many straw men, non sequiturs, arguments from ignorance, slippery slopes, moving goalposts, hasty generalizations, post hoc ergo propter hoc, begging the claim, circular reasoning, ad hominem, ad populum, or red herring fallacies you throw out, it's not going to change the facts.
Get daddy to buy you a pacifier and suck on that until the bans are lifted and you can go back to sucking Colombian dick.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473274]
The fact that New York, the site of the worst outbreak in the US, has been more effective than any other state at controlling the outbreak shows how well they handled it, and continue to handle it.[/QUOTE]Do you think they handle it effectively from the very beginning before March or after certain time? That to me is an important distinction. If it is the later, then it means they failed before and they have learned their lesson to do better. Just like lots of people need to experience it to learn the lesson and in this case, it is costly.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]I didn't blame you. I blamed people like you.
If international travel had been severely restricted in January, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, the virus could have been contained in China. This is exactly what was done to contain the Ebola virus. It's exactly what China did to control the spread of the virus in China, on an international scale.[/QUOTE]You are so fucking stupid that you cannot make up your mind who to blame. Is it people like me or was it the international community? Is it China, Europe, or the US? On one hand, you say the virus travels on its own and politics do not matter than you blame Trump.
Do you realize what a narcissistic, egotistical fuck you have to be to claim that YOU know what would have stopped this virus?
On the one hand, you say that laws are worthless if they are not enforced. Yet, you propose the whole international community follow a law passed by whom? And enforced by whom?
Of course, it is no surprise to me that a liberal dumb ass like you claims to have complete knowledge about the virus and blames people who like Trump. Yes, we are the problem when it comes to the virus. Then tell me please why New York, a Democrat stronghold, has more deaths than any other state by a mile? How was that the fault of people like me? Here is why, dumbass. Because your dumb ass liberal governor, the one who showed "real leadership", ordered infected nursing homes residents to not be isolated in Covid only nursing homes. THAT was the single dumbest political decision made with regards to lives, and the numbers back it up!
If you actually get your news from medical journals and not MSDNC and the NYT, you would see there is controversy even about how the virus is spread. This is from JAMA:
All told, current understanding about SARS-CoV-2 transmission is still limited. There are no perfect experimental data proving or disproving droplet vs aerosol-based transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The balance of evidence, however, seems inconsistent with aerosol-based transmission of SARS-CoV-2 particularly in well-ventilated spaces. What this means in practice is that keeping 6-feet apart from other people and wearing medical masks, high-quality cloth masks, or face shields when it is not possible to be 6-feet apart (for both source control and respiratory protection) should be adequate to minimize the spread of SARS-CoV-2 (in addition to frequent hand hygiene, environmental cleaning, and optimizing indoor ventilation).
To be sure, there are rarely absolutes in biological systems, people produce both droplets and aerosols, transmission may take place along a spectrum, and even medical masks likely provide some protection against aerosols. 6,10 It is impossible to conclude that aerosol-based transmission never occurs and it is perfectly understandable that many prefer to err on the side of caution, particularly in health care settings when caring for patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19. However, the balance of currently available evidence suggests that long-range aerosol-based transmission is not the dominant mode of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.
And here is a rebuttal to that POV:
[URL]https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934837[/URL]
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]The reason why the virus is surging and will continue to surge in the US, is because the US stopped trying to stop the virus in May. Instead the US, at the urging of Trump and his herd of sycophants, declared we had to open everything up to save the economy.[/QUOTE]Show me one expert who was 100% right on the virus and who Trump should have listened to. No one was 100% right. The experts do not even agree on how the virus is transmitted.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]Colombia will not be open to international flights on September 1.[/QUOTE]Whatever, dumb ass. The ban did no good anyway. The data looks bad, but the ban did no good whatsoever. It is a political decision.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]The economic impact of allowing international travel will be offset by costs at least 5 times as high, not to mention the added strain on testing capacity.[/QUOTE]It is amazing when you pull stats like this out of your ass and think that is respectable.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]As I've told you before, except you lack the spine to reply to my posts, the continued travel restrictions have very little to do with controlling the spread in each country.[/QUOTE]Right, the travel bans are in place to destroy the world economy.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]The continued travel bans are to allow each country to allocate resources where they are needed. Why put 200 people at every international airport in Colombia, taking temperatures, testing for COVID-19, interviewing every inbound passenger, establishing quarantine requirements and turning back any suspected carriers, just so a few brainless, nutless, semen swallowers like you can come and play?[/QUOTE]What color is the sky in your world? Do you know how many people in Colombia are twiddling their thumbs right now?
You are not being a very good liberal socialist pig when you go against globalism.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473446]Columbia might be open to international flights December 1, but I wouldn't be buying any non-transferable tickets.[/QUOTE]Oh, I see after the election. Yeah, assholes like you want to totally destroy the world economy to get Trump out of office. Thanks for confirming it.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2473433].........But Carry On, I know what I am and what I am not! Pollo Negro is Out![/QUOTE]And you carry on throwing money around and giving several hundred thousands of pesos to persons you do not know.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2473671]And you carry on throwing money around and giving several hundred thousands of pesos to persons you do not know.[/QUOTE]I been with the same Girl since late April, so who am I freely giving pesos to? See'Mon. Dude, you threw shade & I addressed it, don't be daft! Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2473456]Do you think they handle it effectively from the very beginning before March or after certain time? That to me is an important distinction. If it is the later, then it means they failed before and they have learned their lesson to do better. Just like lots of people need to experience it to learn the lesson and in this case, it is costly.[/QUOTE]Yes. Initially they failed. Initially the entire US failed. New York was hardest hit because NYC has the highest population density in the US, the highest public transportation usage and the highest number of international arrivals. It's not a surprise they were hardest hit.
However, they took action and continue to take action. Their numbers now are among the best in the US. They learned. That is a mark of leadership.
What's sad is that, instead of learning from New York, most of the US stood around criticizing them. Now places like Houston and Miami are facing the same problems.
Back in April, New York hospitals were paying registered nurses $5,000 and up per week to come work in NYC. That all ended in July when they no longer needed the staffing. Right now, Florida hospitals (with a much lower cost of living) are paying up to $4,400 per week for nurses because of staffing shortages.
It could have all been prevented, but that's asking a lot. People have to suffer and die before we will take serious action. So, 100,000 US deaths, or 150,000 were probably unavoidable, necessary losses to wake the country up and pull it together. But there's nobody pulling it together. Everyone is pulling in their own direction. Without any coherent leadership it's anyone's guess how much worse it will get.
200 k by the end of August? 400 k by the end of September? Who knows?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473556]You are so fucking stupid that you cannot make up your mind who to blame. Is it people like me or was it the international community? Is it China, Europe, or the US? On one hand, you say the virus travels on its own and politics do not matter than you blame Trump.
Do you realize what a narcissistic, egotistical fuck you have to be to claim that YOU know what would have stopped this virus?
On the one hand, you say that laws are worthless if they are not enforced. Yet, you propose the whole international community follow a law passed by whom? And enforced by whom?
Of course, it is no surprise to me that a liberal dumb ass like you claims to have complete knowledge about the virus and blames people who like Trump. Yes, we are the problem when it comes to the virus. Then tell me please why New York, a Democrat stronghold, has more deaths than any other state by a mile? How was that the fault of people like me? Here is why, dumbass. Because your dumb ass liberal governor, the one who showed "real leadership", ordered infected nursing homes residents to not be isolated in Covid only nursing homes. THAT was the single dumbest political decision made with regards to lives, and the numbers back it up!
If you actually get your news from medical journals and not MSDNC and the NYT, you would see there is controversy even about how the virus is spread. This is from JAMA:..[/QUOTE]Did you skip your Lithium today?
I've never claimed to know everything about anything. However, let's make a bet. Go back through my posts. Find 1 place where I claimed to know everything about this virus. Link it here. I'll send you $1,000 and I'll leave ISG. If you can't find it, I'll just continue to point out your educational deficiencies.
I don't have the time and energy today, so I'll just clear up one of the idiocies you keep repeating:
None of the experts have.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473556]You are so fucking stupid that you cannot make up your mind who to blame. Is it people like me or was it the international community? Is it China, Europe, or the US? On one hand, you say the virus travels on its own and politics do not matter than you blame Trump.
Do you realize what a narcissistic, egotistical fuck you have to be to claim that YOU know what would have stopped this virus?
On the one hand, you say that laws are worthless if they are not enforced. Yet, you propose the whole international community follow a law passed by whom? And enforced by whom?
Of course, it is no surprise to me that a liberal dumb ass like you claims to have complete knowledge about the virus and blames people who like Trump. Yes, we are the problem when it comes to the virus. Then tell me please why New York, a Democrat stronghold, has more deaths than any other state by a mile? How was that the fault of people like me? Here is why, dumbass. Because your dumb ass liberal governor, the one who showed "real leadership", ordered infected nursing homes residents to not be isolated in Covid only nursing homes. THAT was the single dumbest political decision made with regards to lives, and the numbers back it up!.[/QUOTE]Did you forget to take your Lithium today?
I've never claimed to know everything about anything, certainly not about this virus. The voices in your head are lying to you, just like they were lying when they said drinking hand sanitizer was a good idea. You really shouldn't have listened to them.
But, let's entertain your fantasy for a moment. Go search my posts. Find one place where I claimed to know everything about this virus. Link it here and I'll send you $1,000 and I'll leave ISG. Surely you can do that.
I don't have the time or energy to deal with all of your educational deficiencies today. Let's just stick with one of the idiotic things you keep repeating:
"None of the experts have been 100% right."
100% is a mathematical concept, it has no other place in science. In fact, the idea of being 100% correct is antithetical to science. It's the mistaken belief there is no more knowledge to be gained.
The pinnacle of scientific achievement is the theory. Most people use the word without any knowledge of what a theory is. You've used it several times, showing your complete lack of knowledge of science.
The dictionary definition of theory is:
"a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained."
Which is not the definition of a scientific theory. In science a theory is the best current explanation for observed phenomena which accounts for all known data without contradiction. As anyone can see, there's no place for 100% in there. As more data becomes available, the theory must account for it, it must evolve as the tree of knowledge grows.
However, let's try out your "we can't trust anything from anyone who is not always 100% correct" claim. If you're going to apply it to the novel coronavirus, it's only fair you apply the same standard everywhere.
Let's start with Trump, because that's the easiest. You can't believe anything Trump says because he wasn't 100% correct when he said the 15 cases would soon be zero. I could pick out 30 more examples, but using your standard, anything less than 100% means everything coming from that source must be ignored.
Shall we look at your Bulgarian butt buddies? Have they been 100% correct on everything over the years? If not, everything from them, using your logic, must be assumed to be wrong.
Next on the agenda, air travel. Planes still crash. Therefore you can never get on another plane, because they're not 100% safe.
Women? Yep. You know that you've picked women who haven't lived up to your expectations. You're going to have to give them up too.
Add food to the list. Not all food is 100% safe to eat, therefore, no food is safe to eat.
You'll need to stop breathing too. We all know the air isn't 100% safe.
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But that's the standard you're trying to hold every expert to. Worse, you're claiming that anyone who isn't an expert, who makes 1 correct statement needs to be accepted as always being 100% correct, no matter how wrong everything else is.
Keep trying Elvirus.
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Check my photo attachments, a huge high five to New Yorkers who learned and have done a marvelous job of containing a pandemic. The same data can be found via the link below, and by scrolling down and viewing the graphs related to daily new cases and daily deaths, fucking impressive.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/[/URL]
Enjoy your weekend gentlemen, and again, hats off to New York! .
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How to do it and how not to do it, the Covid response with reopening efforts in New York when compared to states such Florida, Georgia, Texas, and California.
"As the cases and deaths rose and hospital spaces were filled up across New York, city and state leaders increased their strict health mandates, ordering that all New Yorkers wear a face covering outdoors in April and maintain social distancing while businesses remained shuttered.
Carol Gomes, the CEO of Stony Brook University Hospital in Suffolk County, told ABC News she believes more people took the governor's orders seriously because of his constant and informative daily news conferences.
While there were some who still blatantly ignored the mandates for face coverings and social distancing, New York residents, by and large, adhered to the health guidance because they were being hit constantly with reminders of that COVID-19 curve, according to Gomes.
'I really do believe that the focus on the balance was communicating with the public about reducing the spread. You go to supermarkets and everyone was wearing masks,' she told ABC News. 'There was continuous reinforcement of the orders in our communities. '.
The efforts paid off, according to Braithwaite, as the data showed cases and deaths were going down throughout the state in April and May. "
And they are still going down even to this day. .
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-coronavirus-bay-states-surges/story?id=71772507[/URL]
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2473672]I been with the same Girl since late April, so who am I freely giving pesos to? See'Mon. Dude, you threw shade & I addressed it, don't be daft! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]Good to know that you are not freely giving pesos because throwing money around makes you look like a damn fool, a joke or a cartel member.
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Everybody is getting the panties in a bunch.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2473735]Did you forget to take your Lithium today?
I've never claimed to know everything about anything, certainly not about this virus. The voices in your head are lying to you, just like they were lying when they said drinking hand sanitizer was a good idea. You really shouldn't have listened to them.
But, let's entertain your fantasy for a moment. Go search my posts. Find one place where I claimed to know everything about this virus. Link it here and I'll send you $1,000 and I'll leave ISG. Surely you can do that.
I don't have the time or energy to deal with all of your educational deficiencies today. Let's just stick with one of the idiotic things you keep repeating:
"None of the experts have been 100% right."
100% is a mathematical concept, it has no other place in science. In fact, the idea of being 100% correct is antithetical to science. It's the mistaken belief there is no more knowledge to be gained...[/QUOTE]This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.
Politics and Health are super explosive and so I wish we all could avoid that as best possible. I wish the very best to all in the forum on us getting back on track as to why we are here and to me it isn't to argue but to collaborate in our carnal pursuits. Off to Tijuana for me to help out some hurting Latinas.
Peace and Love Gents over Hate and Judgment!
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[QUOTE=West270;2473955]This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.
Politics and Health are super explosive and so I wish we all could avoid that as best possible. I wish the very best to all in the forum on us getting back on track as to why we are here and to me it isn't to argue but to collaborate in our carnal pursuits. Off to Tijuana for me to help out some hurting Latinas.
Peace and Love Gents over Hate and Judgment![/QUOTE]In this thread you see a microcosm. Something much larger is going on in our society. One of many examples would be right wing radio jocks and the constant inflammatory, divisive and dishonest speech they use to enrich themselves. The anty is upped when they spread false information about life and death matters. And unlike with the radio big mouths who get to screen their calls, such actors here in ISG have to take the heat. Case in point Elvirus, who is constantly getting caught putting words in his opponents mouths that they never said because he is unable to attack the actual arguments. The same has also been repeatedly caught in other fallacies and generally, spurious arguments. It's refreshing to see, and the same would happen to guys like Rush, Hannity, or Savage if they would step on a debate stage with a fair moderator on duty. But they lack the balls.
That said, once one is going circles, or when one party is constantly caught lying and laying out fallacies and persists in the same, it can be time to move on. But this is the off topic thread, so if it doesn't suit you just skip it. Have fun in Tijuana.
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[QUOTE=West270;2473955]This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.[/QUOTE]West, the reason I actually engage in these debates is that it motivates me to get to the truth. Maybe I should not allow this to be my means of motivation, but too often, that is what does it.
As far as it stands right now, I can get upset all I want about the political noise in politics but the MSDNC approach has worked, and Trump is down, but the frustrating part is the political noise has gotten in the way of the truth.
But I did dig down further than I ever had on the experts and their opinions, and the experts were horribly, horribly wrong about so much. One of the things that I have noticed people do is to escape blame, people will be happy to not accept responsibility if blame can be dumped on someone else. So if the Democrats want to blame Trump for not listening to the so called experts, the so called experts will be happy to blame Trump too or just stay quiet.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOeVkg9P-R8[/URL]
Here is an expert who is flat out wrong. Now I know why he said what he said.
The basis for this statement was the assumption that Corona would act like Influenza and the several scientific studies showed that masks do not work when it comes to the spread of influenza. N95 was supposed to be the only mask worth a damn which was wrong. In fact, N95 masks may have a higher side effect profile than surgical or cloth masks, and there is no evidence they work better with Covid.
What changed with masks were very strong anecdotal reports. Now if you look into what these reports were, you will see horrific mistakes that were made and not just with masks but pretty much everything.
So there are these strong anecdotal reports about masks and the so called experts ask us to do a 180 and do not tell us why they changed their minds about masks because they will look badly. So before it was do not wear masks and now it is do it because we said so. The resistance is because people do not know why, and if the so called experts give the reason, they have to admit fault, so they use shame instead of explanation. On top of that, you have one political party that is playing the theme the experts know best, and Trump did not listen to them. That explanation will win over half of America.
I will give you another screwup: hand washing. This is a policy that was put in place because of influenza, but there is considerable evidence showing hand washing does no good with Covid. It is no big deal though because usually it does not hurt anything to wash your hands.
One of the frustrating things is that the ruling leader decides more which class of experts get paid off versus picking the experts who give the best advice. Who is president will likely have little effect on my life, but the lifelong bureaucrats at the three letter agencies IMO influence our day to day lives all the time, and it bugs me that they can screw up and get off scott free.
We are paying them after all, but the biggest fuckup in this whole Covid mess that everyone agrees on was the FDA and CDC screwing up early Covid testing. How many lives that cost is beyond me. Yes, Trump should get some of the blame, but the so called experts there really screwed the pooch. We have no idea who messed up, and sadly because it is so hard to fire federal workers, they are likely still there.
Part of the debate was on whether Colombia or Peru was non compliant or was something else going on with the virus there. Paulie put out that ridiculously self absorbed Yale study. What Yale should have said is the number of Covid cases and deaths were higher than expected and we do not know why, but experts are not supposed to say they do not know. If you are touting public social distancing, hand washing, and general quarantines as the methods to slow down the virus, you cannot go back and say "We were wrong. Those do not work to prevent the spread of the virus. " So what did the Yale guys say? Pretty much that we are brilliant and Peru and Peruvians suck. I see that kind of crap from Ivy league type blowhards all the time.
So what did my deep dive show? The advice given to Peru by the so called experts was awful, and there was a viral mutation in the South American nations that was much more virulent. I guessed the second part, but I had no idea how bad the first part was.
As for Colombia, what I learned is the international travel ban should be lifted yesterday and in fact, it should have never been put into effect in the first place. Colombia has much the same mutant strain that is present in Peru, and they too listened too well to the so called experts and are paying the price.
When you say that you agree to disagree, that is fine when all the facts are known. So if Paulie wants to say NY is a success based on their recent numbers, I can say I agree to disagree because the facts are known. But what was happening in Colombia and overall with the virus was not fitting to me, and I will listen to people who do not agree with me and will change my opinion about things if a good case is made. For me, truth is more important than harmony.
So it was not about winning the argument but getting to the truth, and I feel comfortable now with a judgement I think and feel is as close to the truth as possible.
I will give you an example of a judgement I made in the past. Everyone has experienced the fact one way or another donuts and ice cream are comfort foods but some people seem to love them more than others. So when I tell people that I learned that the wheat or gluten in donuts and the milk protein, casein in ice cream are converted by the body to morphine like peptides in varying degrees, I do not get anyone who disagrees. I get people saying, "Oh that is why. "
When I explained to people who had similar observations with Covid that I did what I learned, I got the same response, "Oh, okay that is why. " You can get the ice cream and donut explanation but maybe not the Covid one because you have not observed what we have. What the experts were telling us did not fit.
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2473923]....... I am no fool, no joke, and damn sure am not a Cartel Member..........[/QUOTE]I am happy to know that. From what you have stated it appears that you do not spend a lot of money.
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Update from Georgia
There's more foolishness from another state that isn't getting the message.
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/students-get-suspended-for-posting-pictures-of-schools-crowded-halls-now-several-people-have-been-infected-2020-08-09?mod=home-page[/URL]
And such is well reflected in their results. See attachments below.
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I'm going to agree with you
[QUOTE=Turgid;2474024]I am happy to know that. From what you have stated it appears that you do not spend a lot of money.[/QUOTE]One minute I am wasting money on people I don't know, I am a damn fool or a Cartel Member, then you reply with " from what you stated it appears that you do not spend a lot of money" that's that Privilege that others have been warning individuals like yourself about. You unjustifiably labeled me for no reason other than to troll and now you try and use reflection to get you out of an unnecessary situation, as always, stay blessed, be careful about labeling everyone who you do not like or like their posts as " damn fools, non respectable or Cartel members. Your words exactly! Pollo Negro is Out.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473995]West, the reason I actually engage in these debates is that it motivates me to get to the truth. Maybe I should not allow this to be my means of motivation, but too often, that is what does it.[/QUOTE]I think we should err on the side of caution when we are dealing with something we don't know. One issue I see in countries that have problem is people are too optimistic about the things they don't know about, expert or not If everyone err on the side on caution and make short term sacrifice, the virus would have been stopped. Most people would have regain full freedom, and the expert can try to find the truth after.
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[QUOTE=West270;2473955]This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.
Politics and Health are super explosive and so I wish we all could avoid that as best possible. I wish the very best to all in the forum on us getting back on track as to why we are here and to me it isn't to argue but to collaborate in our carnal pursuits. Off to Tijuana for me to help out some hurting Latinas.
Peace and Love Gents over Hate and Judgment![/QUOTE]I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "agree to disagree" really only belongs on the playground.
Let's try some examples:
I like my steaks rare to medium rare. Other people won't touch a steak unless it's well done. We can agree to disagree, as long as you're not trying to make me eat a well done steak and I'm not trying to make you eat a rare steak.
There are certain genres of music I don't care for, yet others enjoy them. We can agree to disagree, because we can each listen to the music we like.
There are guys out there who seek out girls or boys under 18 for sex. Besides being illegal, it's by it's very nature exploitative. We can't agree to disagree on that.
There are guys who feel it's okay to slap around any woman. Not only illegal, but over time such violence tends to escalate until someone is seriously injured or killed. Not going to agree to disagree on that one either.
There are guys who constantly lie, change their position, make false claims, and commit every possible logical fallacy. The misinformation they spread is dangerous to others. Once again, agree to disagree is not an option.
While I appreciate your input, "agree to disagree" really isn't the solution you think it is. I'm sure if you try you can think of dozens of areas where it's inappropriate.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474054]I think we should err on the side of caution when we are dealing with something we don't know. One issue I see in countries that have problem is people are too optimistic about the things they don't know about, expert or not If everyone err on the side on caution and make short term sacrifice, the virus would have been stopped. Most people would have regain full freedom, and the expert can try to find the truth after.[/QUOTE]The problem is that the information age has made everyone into "experts" in 5 minutes, whereas it used to take years of schooling and experience for someone to be considered an expert. The purpose of a university is to teach critical thinking. The books for the subjects they teach such as math, physics, lawyering have always been out there available for any Tom, Dick, or Trick to buy and learn the subject matter. But a person not attending the university would not pick up the valuable intangibles like critical thinking and peer criticism. It is like having a cookbook listing only ingredients but no cooking instructions. We are truly living out the movie Idiocracy.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2473995]West, the reason I actually engage in these debates is that it motivates me to get to the truth. Maybe I should not allow this to be my means of motivation, but too often, that is what does it.
As far as it stands right now, I can get upset all I want about the political noise in politics but the MSDNC approach has worked, and Trump is down, but the frustrating part is the political noise has gotten in the way of the truth.
But I did dig down further than I ever had on the experts and their opinions, and the experts were horribly, horribly wrong about so much. One of the things that I have noticed people do is to escape blame, people will be happy to not accept responsibility if blame can be dumped on someone else. So if the Democrats want to blame Trump for not listening to the so called experts, the so called experts will be happy to blame Trump too or just stay quiet..[/QUOTE]Did you find any polyps or fissures while doing your deep diving? Those polyps can become cancerous and diverticulitis isn't any fun. What am I saying? With as much time as your head is in there, you probably know your colon better than the back of your hand.
Did you notice the date on your YouTube video? It's obvious you failed to understand the context. Or were you deliberately misrepresenting the video? Be careful how you answer, because either you are lying, or your "deep dive" wouldn't have reached the bottom of a kiddie pool.
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/[/URL]
So which do you admit to? Dishonesty? Or inability to do basic research?
So Dr. ElAnus, can you elaborate on the more virulent mutation you personally discovered on Colombia and Peru? When and where will your research be published? I guess there's no real rush because the rest of the scientific community (the part that does actual research instead of making shit up) is completely unaware of this alleged mutation, which somehow has restricted itself to Colombia and Peru.
Of course you realize this means that the majority of Colombian deaths have to be in Leticia, the largest city which borders Peru. Let's just check the numbers. That's strange. Only 104 deaths in Amazonas. Better go back to your colon and find another turd to try to float here.
For those of you with more working brain cells than toes, the probability of an identical mutation appearing in 2 places, which are geographically separated, and only in those 2 places, is extremely low. I say separated because there has been no traffic between Bogota, Cartagena and Cali, and Lima since the travel ban went into effect.
If a more virulent strain existed, in order to affect both countries it would have to pass through Leticia, the only place where significant cross border traffic can be expected. Of course that still wouldn't get the more virulent strain to Bogota or Lima.
Another obvious lie, ElAnus? For shame!
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All I ask is that you stand behind your posts
[QUOTE=Turgid;2473916]Good to know that you are not freely giving pesos because throwing money around makes you look like a damn fool, a joke or a cartel member.[/QUOTE]In the beginning you said I was throwing money around and looking like a damn fool, joke or cartel member.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2473392]Don't be daft, having is not the problem its throwing it around to be noticed that's the issue here.[/QUOTE]Then you went on to say that I was absurd and foolish, by trying to utilize the word daft.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2474024]I am happy to know that. From what you have stated it appears that you do not spend a lot of money.[/QUOTE]Now you want to ease out of the conversation by stating that I appear to not spend a lot of money.
I have told you guys more than once, if you don't like what a BM posts, move on, don't show your true colors and then try to apologize or down play that your responses were inappropriate; point blank your posts were inappropriate. You have led me to believe that you have an affiliation with fools, people who are jokes, and you personally know Cartel Members, from your responses. Then again is you did know any Cartel Members, you would not include me cause I have never been present in your cartel member meetings, I have never been present in your who's the joke of the month meetings, and I am for sure that I have never been in your Damn Fool meetings, so either you know people who are jokes, damn fools, and cartel members, or you unnecessarily targeted me because you did not like my post? Either way, you have shown me and other BMs that if we do not post what meets your standards, you will attempt to belittle others and call them names without any sound evidence, as always, much respect, but you allowed your slip to show when you addressed me! Good day, and as always, Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474080]The problem is that the information age has made everyone into "experts" in 5 minutes, whereas it used to take years of schooling and experience for someone to be considered an expert. The purpose of a university is to teach critical thinking. The books for the subjects they teach such as math, physics, lawyering have always been out there available for any Tom, Dick, or Trick to buy and learn the subject matter. But a person not attending the university would not pick up the valuable intangibles like critical thinking and peer criticism. It is like having a cookbook listing only ingredients but no cooking instructions. We are truly living out the movie Idiocracy.[/QUOTE]One of your best posts ever! This is a great paragraph.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474082]Did you find any polyps or fissures while doing your deep diving? Those polyps can become cancerous and diverticulitis isn't any fun. What am I saying? With as much time as your head is in there, you probably know your colon better than the back of your hand.
Did you notice the date on your YouTube video? It's obvious you failed to understand the context.[/QUOTE]I completely understood the context and clearly you did not. The notion was that N95 masks worked and Fauci and the Surgeon General and CDC lied about masks in order that the public did not rush in and by them. This is similar to the Chinese hoarding them as well.
Of course, to a government libtard like you who is too busy sucking the cum out of government experts, you think that sitting there and getting spewed on by these experts is the way to get through life. In reality, they were wrong about N95 and masks in general.
It is no surprise that bureaucrats believe in limited resources and despise capitalism. Testing was not turned over to the private sector, and Americans were not told to produce masks en masse but led to believe that masks did not work. For some people, changing a belief is harder than having no belief in the beginning.
Outside of the testing debacle and Cuomo's decision to not isolated Covid infected nursing home residents, this was probably the biggest public policy mistake made, a complete failure on the part of the so called experts.
Of course, you and the NYT and libtard friends think the only person in government who screws up is Trump.
It is no surprise that you said that I was against wearing masks when in fact I was making fun of the government. There was a large grocery store that required masks, had none for sale. Our government discouraged travel to Mexico but there were masks galore on the other side of the border. Again, this was the bureaucrats at their worst.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474082]For those of you with more working brain cells than toes, the probability of an identical mutation appearing in 2 places, which are geographically separated, and only in those 2 places, is extremely low.[/QUOTE]Whatever. I am not even going to try explaining things to you. You clearly have an agenda and getting to the truth is not it.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474080]The problem is that the information age has made everyone into "experts" in 5 minutes, whereas it used to take years of schooling and experience for someone to be considered an expert. The purpose of a university is to teach critical thinking. The books for the subjects they teach such as math, physics, lawyering have always been out there available for any Tom, Dick, or Trick to buy and learn the subject matter. But a person not attending the university would not pick up the valuable intangibles like critical thinking and peer criticism. It is like having a cookbook listing only ingredients but no cooking instructions. We are truly living out the movie Idiocracy.[/QUOTE]The information age hasn't changed the number of "experts", it's merely broadened their reach.
I remember an expert who hung out at the local service station when I was a kid. Every time a car came in for repair he'd announce that the problem was with the carburetor. He would spend 15 minutes telling anyone who would listen why the problem was in the carburetor. I just hope he died before fuel injected and diesel cars became popular, because I don't think he could have handled cars without carburetors.
The problem with the information age is a combination of the general lack of critical thinking skills along with the inherent dishonesty of so many people.
Take for example the video Elvis linked of Dr. Fauci saying people shouldn't wear masks. The video cuts out the context and makes it appear Fauci says masks are ineffective and people shouldn't wear them. This video has been circulating since early April and nobody bothers to look for the entire interview. They share it, either lacking the critical thinking skills which clearly indicate it's out of context, or they share it knowing the assertion is false, but they feel dishonesty is acceptable if it furthers their goal.
University is a fun place to develop critical thinking skills. However, nothing beats being stuck on a submarine for 78 days at a time with a bunch of bored nukes.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474054]I think we should err on the side of caution when we are dealing with something we don't know. One issue I see in countries that have problem is people are too optimistic about the things they don't know about, expert or not If everyone err on the side on caution and make short term sacrifice, the virus would have been stopped.[/QUOTE]Nounce, but you have to ask people to make the right kind of sacrifices. This is what the NFL is doing.
[URL]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/09/houston-texans-training-camp-covid-nfl-fmia-peter-king/[/URL]
Geoff Kaplan, the Infection Control Officer of the Houston Texans, wakes up—no alarm needed—in the guest room of his Houston home. Guest room, in his own home? Kaplan is married with 17- and 15-year-old sons, but for the last two weeks, while he tries to keep COVID-19 out of his own house and tries to avoid carrying it into an NFL practice facility, the guest room has been his room.
KINEXON proximity device next. That little square disk, the size and width of a Ghirardelli mini-chocolate square, will alert him if he's too close to anyone for 10 minutes or longer during the day.
These are the proper sacrifices. Do you see how social distancing is being done by people with billions of dollars on the line? You social distance at home not at Walmart. You socialize but keep the socialization down to less than 10 minutes per person. These are the right sacrifices to ask of people.
If you tell people they cannot go to their hair stylist, and it turns out they could have, then you lose them. So I do not think it is optimism but frustration.
I think what is interesting with the NFL versus the NBA is the NBA has totally buttoned itself down, and it has worked. The NFL is going to have teams travel versus stay secluded in one location. They are not secluding players from their families. They are taking more the MLB approach versus the NBA approach, and the MLB approach has not worked as well.
So far it has worked with the Houston Texans, and it probably will continue to work as long as the right kind of social isolation is being implemented and adhered to by the players and employees.
As far as saying we know what needs to be done to stop the virus, it is a different matter on a societal scale.
Still, some of what the NFL and NBA are doing right could be implemented right now, and it is not. I think that is in part due to the finger pointing and in part because the so called experts being unwilling to take a step back and admit their past advice was wrong.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474080]The problem is that the information age has made everyone into "experts" in 5 minutes, whereas it used to take years of schooling and experience for someone to be considered an expert. The purpose of a university is to teach critical thinking. The books for the subjects they teach such as math, physics, lawyering have always been out there available for any Tom, Dick, or Trick to buy and learn the subject matter. But a person not attending the university would not pick up the valuable intangibles like critical thinking and peer criticism. It is like having a cookbook listing only ingredients but no cooking instructions. We are truly living out the movie Idiocracy.[/QUOTE]I could care less what the university types could say. Again, you are pushing the Democrat notion that we should listen to experts when there are none.
If anyone should be getting Covid, it should be the techs who are running tens of thousands of these tests and seen thousands be positive. They have more hands on experience than anyone in any university. The pattern with them has been the same. At first, they gowned and gloved to the max and wore N95 masks then after a few weeks, slowly started loosening up more and more. Now it is no face shield, no gown, just a cloth mask and gloves, and none have gotten sick.
Who are the techs seeing get sick? Who do they expect is likely to be negative and who do they expect who is likely to be positive?
That is the type of pattern I have asked about and observed that I have to make sense of. Of course, you are welcome to make fun of my observing that, but I could care less. When I make a judgment, I care more about approval from people like them than anyone else.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474207]
Take for example the video Elvis linked of Dr. Fauci saying people shouldn't wear masks. The video cuts out the context and makes it appear Fauci says masks are ineffective and people shouldn't wear them. This video has been circulating since early April and nobody bothers to look for the entire interview. They share it, either lacking the critical thinking skills which clearly indicate it's out of context, or they share it knowing the assertion is false, but they feel dishonesty is acceptable if it furthers their goal..[/QUOTE]He wasn't wearing a face mask before and now he does. That is why you will never convince Elvis or someone like him. I think using that single instance to undermine Dr Fauci is wrong and it only allows the virus to do even more damages.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474190]I completely understood the context and clearly you did not. The notion was that N95 masks worked and Fauci and the Surgeon General and CDC lied about masks in order that the public did not rush in and by them. This is similar to the Chinese hoarding them as well.
Of course, to a government libtard like you who is too busy sucking the cum out of government experts, you think that sitting there and getting spewed on by these experts is the way to get through life. In reality, they were wrong about N95 and masks in general.
It is no surprise that bureaucrats believe in limited resources and despise capitalism. Testing was not turned over to the private sector, and Americans were not told to produce masks en masse but led to believe that masks did not work. For some people, changing a belief is harder than having no belief in the beginning.
Outside of the testing debacle and Cuomo's decision to not isolated Covid infected nursing home residents, this was probably the biggest public policy mistake made, a complete failure on the part of the so called experts..[/QUOTE]And you continue too perpetuate the lie. At least now you've confirmed that you are deliberately misrepresenting the facts.
From the 60 Minutes interview with Dr. Fauci, which you have repeatedly lied about, here is the transcript leading up to the portion of the video you posted. Remember, this was broadcast on Mar 8. On Mar 8 there was insufficient evidence to determine whether any infected people were asymptomatic. Also, at that time, it was believed that the extent community spread of the virus was known. This means that it was assumed that s majority of infected people were, or would be identified.
"LaPook, March 8: There's a lot of confusion among people, and misinformation, surrounding face masks. Can you discuss that?
Fauci: The masks are important for someone who's infected to prevent them from infecting someone else. Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.
LaPook: You're sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this.
Fauci: .There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
LaPook: And can you get some schmutz, sort of staying inside there?
Fauci: Of course, of course. But, when you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who, when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks — that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it. If you want to do it, that's fine.
LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks?
Fauci: Exactly, that's the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it. ".
As anyone can clearly see, Dr. Fauci is saying that wearing a mask has minimal value for protecting you against the virus. It's purpose is to protect others from infected people.
Taken in context, not misrepresented, everything he says is correct, based upon what was known at the time. We also know there was a shortage of masks at that time. That, combined with what was known at the time, shows that everything he stated was 100% correct.
Apparently you haven't been paying attention. The only person constantly talking about Trump is you. As I've stated before, I have no reason to waste time on pointing out his errors. The history books will take care of that. When a building is on fire is not the time to worry about who started the fire.
My concern has been and continues to be stopping this. We know it's possible. New Zealand just recorded 100 days without community spread. Canada is maintaining at around 750 new cases a day. Germany is holding under 1200. South Korea has been under 100 new cases daily since April 1. Taiwan has been in mostly single digits since mid April. The US was doing an excellent job of getting it under control until the beginning of May. Then we stopped trying. We're currently averaging almost 400,000 new cases weekly and it's expected to go higher.
There's no magic required. It's actually quite simple. If you don't need to leave your house, don't. When you do have to leave your house wear a mask. Wash your hands. Avoid other people, especially those who aren't wearing a mask.
You don't need to make up more virulent mutations. You don't need to change your story every 3 days on social distancing and masks. Just follow the simple steps listed above. Instead of arguing over it, instead of insisting someone is trying to take away your individuality, instead of swallowing every conspiracy theory, just do it. Encourage others to do it. If it makes you feel better you can tell everyone to do it so you can prove to the libtard demorats that it doesn't work.
Then you can stop your crying and your lying and just maybe you can hope to someday go back to Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474231]I could care less what the university types could say. Again, you are pushing the Democrat notion that we should listen to experts when there are none.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am pushing nobody's notion because I am not affiliated with a political party. I vote for the candidate that I believe will best serve my interests at the time. For instance, I voted for Trump last time and will vote for Trump this time. But if the Democrats would have selected Sanders, then I would be voting for him. I vote the person, not the party.
So why does the USA even have a Center for Disease Control if there are no disease experts? You do not know a damn thing about cars. You pull up to Jiffy Lube and the guy that has been running the place for 20 years tells you your car is running bad because you have been using the wrong weight oil. But fuck him because there are no experts and you could care less what he says.
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By this time next year this virus thing is in the rear view mirror. Anyone voting with this front and center is myopic in my view.
The world needs to deal with a lot of stuff including China, climate change, nuclear threats etc. 2 bad choices here is how I see it.
Economy wise atleast Trump has the edge. Both however want to spend like drunken sailors and the Fed seems willing to accommodate that's why the markets are going bananas.
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[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2474335]By this time next year this virus thing is in the rear view mirror. Anyone voting with this front and center is myopic in my view.[/QUOTE]Back in March people were saying the same thing about August.
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Lol
"By this time next year this virus thing is in the rear view mirror." GeneHickman.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474346]Back in March people were saying the same thing about August.[/QUOTE]Touche.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474346]Back in March people were saying the same thing about August.[/QUOTE]But. Its trumps fault for being the worst leader imaginable on this. And its the fault of the media for doing a horrible job--especially fox noise. And the American people are responsible for this debacle with their greed and stupidity.
6 weeks hardcore lockdown followed by national mask mandate for 2 months and we can start moving on. Should have been done March April May.
Shame on trump, fox noise and the republicans for politicizing public health and turning the USA into the worlds worst failure for dealing with the pandemic. Shameful.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2474438]But. Its trumps fault for being the worst leader imaginable on this. And its the fault of the media for doing a horrible job--especially fox noise. And the American people are responsible for this debacle with their greed and stupidity.
6 weeks hardcore lockdown followed by national mask mandate for 2 months and we can start moving on. Should have been done March April May.
Shame on trump, fox noise and the republicans for politicizing public health and turning the USA into the worlds worst failure for dealing with the pandemic. Shameful.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the logic of your solution. If a mask mandate solves the issue then why the need for the 6 week lockdown?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474331]LOL. I am pushing nobody's notion because I am not affiliated with a political party.[/QUOTE]I am not talking about what party you are are in. Democrats think intellectual elites can solve anything. Republicans think the free market can.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474331]So why does the USA even have a Center for Disease Control if there are no disease experts?[/QUOTE]Is this disease like all the others? If so, you have a valid point. If it is not, and it is not, then there are no experts. What Fauci did early on was rely on his experience with influenza and Corona does not behave like influenza. He assumed expertise, and you assume he had expertise, when he was wrong. I do not even care that he was wrong. I care that he is wrong and not going back and fixing his previous mistakes to save face.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474314]My concern has been and continues to be stopping this. We know it's possible. New Zealand just recorded 100 days without community spread. Canada is maintaining at around 750 new cases a day. Germany is holding under 1200. South Korea has been under 100 new cases daily since April 1. Taiwan has been in mostly single digits since mid April. The US was doing an excellent job of getting it under control until the beginning of May. Then we stopped trying. We're currently averaging almost 400,000 new cases weekly and it's expected to go higher.There's no magic required. It's actually quite simple. If you don't need to leave your house, don't. When you do have to leave your house wear a mask. Wash your hands. Avoid other people, especially those who aren't wearing a mask.[/QUOTE]That simple huh? What are you going to do next JJBee? Eradicate the common cold? Of course, there is magic involved, you are going to invent a unicorn trap next.
New Zealand just had cases come back. South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan all engaged in the one policy I have said worked from the beginning: frequent testing, contact isolation, and targeted quarantines. And when I say worked, what I mean is slowed the spread of the virus.
The whole notion that you are pushing that political leaders and the citizens are responsible then is poppycock. The experts in the USA fucked up by not rolling out testing soon enough.
As for masks, the evidence is clear that when you stop or slow people spreading droplets from one another, the rate of viral transmission goes down. WTF does leaving the house have to do with anything? I have seen more spread among families than anywhere else. Where do you think people have the most prolonged exposure to one another's droplets?
You have no fucking clue what is going on.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474314]You don't need to make up more virulent mutations.[/QUOTE]I didn't make anything up. You are fucking clueless. You are just repeating the clap trap the so called experts are spewing where all that matters are citizens and their compliance. It is not the expert's fault. They didn't fuck up. It is all on the citizens.
I just read that Cusco, Peru had a tiny fraction of cases compared to Lima. They must be more complaint in Cusco then in Lima right? It HAS to be that because that is all that matters. Compliance and washing one's hands. Jesus.
I do not know what is worse. The experts spewing their bullshit or dumb asses like you who keep buying it.
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[QUOTE=Xavter;2474459]I don't understand the logic of your solution. If a mask mandate solves the issue then why the need for the 6 week lockdown?[/QUOTE]It takes a total of 12 weeks, to get an outbreak under control. It takes 6 weeks for the infection rate to crest and begin to fall. If we go back to a strict lockdown, the number of new cases will continue to rise. After 3 weeks the rate at which it is rising will begin to fall. It will be rising more slowly. 3 weeks after that it will begin to fall. That assumes a majority comply.
So the 6 weeks is to get the curve going in the right direction. A mask mandate alone won't be as effective, because there are many situations where masks can't, or won't be worn. Bars and restaurants for example.
The mask mandate should be in place at the beginning of the 6 week shutdown, because obviously not everyone can stay home. Once the curve is going the right direction, if you can get everyone to comply with the mask mandate, you can begin to open things up, in a controlled manner. Some things might not be able to be opened up for 2 months or longer, theaters, bars, schools.
With a controlled reopening, combined with masks and a readiness to back up if the numbers start to go up, after 3-4 months most things can return to normal.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474480]That simple huh? What are you going to do next JJBee? Eradicate the common cold? Of course, there is magic involved, you are going to invent a unicorn trap next.
New Zealand just had cases come back. South Korea, Germany, and Taiwan all engaged in the one policy I have said worked from the beginning: frequent testing, contact isolation, and targeted quarantines. And when I say worked, what I mean is slowed the spread of the virus.
The whole notion that you are pushing that political leaders and the citizens are responsible then is poppycock. The experts in the USA fucked up by not rolling out testing soon enough.
As for masks, the evidence is clear that when you stop or slow people spreading droplets from one another, the rate of viral transmission goes down. WTF does leaving the house have to do with anything? I have seen more spread among families than anywhere else. Where do you think people have the most prolonged exposure to one another's droplets?[/QUOTE]I missed the part where you talked about Sweden. Still can't talk about Sweden? Katten har din tunga? Which is Swedish for "Cat got your tongue?" c'Mon. Let's hear what you have to say about Sweden. Every fucking day you were bringing up Sweden, until I pointed out how badly Sweden fared and now you run and hide from any mention of Sweden like it was a 300 pound tranny with halitosis.
While I'm waiting for you to address the Sweden question, let's talk about staying home.
If you live in a house or apartment with your family, chances are, whatever illness is going around, it will spread to other members of the family. This is especially true for families with children. If someone in the household is infected, there's a good chance others in the household will become infected. If nobody in the household is infected and everyone stays home, nobody in the household will become infected.
If nobody in the household is infected, and the people don't stay home, every time they leave the house there's a possibility one of them will become infected, bring it back home and infect the other members of the household.
This involves those critical thinking skills Mr. E was talking about. If you're not infected and you stay home as much as possible, you increase your chances of remaining virus free. If someone in your household is infected, your chance of becoming infected remains the same, whether you stay home every day, or leave home every day. However, your chance of infecting others goes up every time you leave the house.
Now let's talk about the experts in the US not rolling out testing quickly enough.
The "experts" by which I assume you mean the NIH or the CDC don't have the authority or the budget to roll out a nationwide testing initiative. All they can do is suggest to the President that we need to mobilize and what our priorities should be. Only the President, or Congress if they can pass legislation and override a Presidential veto, can authorize something of that magnitude.
While we're on the subject, the "experts" also don't have the authority, budget or responsibility to order an increase in production of masks and other PPE. Again, all they can do is point out the need to the President.
The President has broad authority over the US Strategic Reserves. Almost anything deemed essential to national security can be added and stockpiled, and the amount kept can be raised or lowered by the President.
For example, when oil prices were spiking in 1996, Clinton authorized the sale of 12 million barrels of oil from the US Strategic Reserves. He authorized the sale of another 30 million barrels in 2000. George W. Bush authorized buying oil to fill the reserves to capacity in 2001 and Trump authorized the sale of oil after the attacks on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia.
So the President, but not the CDC, could have increased worldwide production of masks and PPE by simply ordering the government to add those items to the strategic reserve. The President, but not the CDC, could have rolled out a nationwide testing initiative. He did neither.
As I said, I have no need to point fingers, but if you're going to insist on pointing, then you need to point in the right direction.
Finally, let's talk about Cusco, Peru.
The population of Cusco is 428,000.
The population of Lima is 10.5 million.
Cusco has had 6,879 cases.
Lima has had 19,684 cases.
More math fun coming up, or as I like to call it "Elvis is going to start avoiding any mention of Peru after this."
Lima has 24.5 times as many people as Cusco.
Lima has 2. 86 times as many cases as Cusco.
If Cusco had the same population as Lima it would have 168,500 cases, based upon the current number of cases per capita in Cusco.
If Lima had the same population as Cusco, it would have 803 cases, based upon the current number of cases per capita in Lima.
So. First Sweden and now Peru. At this rate you're going to run out of countries to talk about.
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[QUOTE=Xavter;2474459]I don't understand the logic of your solution. If a mask mandate solves the issue then why the need for the 6 week lockdown?[/QUOTE]If the virus is inside an air tight container, it can't infect people outside the container. Our normal environment is like a leaky container. Mask can reduce leak but it still leaks unless everyone know how to operate with it perfectly then the virus can still get in thru your eyes. That is why the flight attendants on trans pacific flight wear goggles.
Lock down can be bullet proof if done right. For example, you don't lock people in hotel because most hotels has central A / see, that is a possible leak. You don't let people share bathroom because people may be infected by virus when you flush. It does not matter if these are required or not, just do it and it will be over in a few weeks. We can find the scientific truth later. If you only act after the truth is found, you are wasting valuable time because by the time you found the truth and start to act, you could have stopped the virus without knowing the truth. Just look at China's bordering countries. They are less advanced but doing so much better.
Air travel is another leak but it can be prevented. That is what 14 days quarantine does. You can track and escort a person to the dedicated facility the minute the visitor step out of the gate to make sure there is no leak.
One reason they are arguing is because even the what one would consider the correct position is "leaky" sometimes. For example, if you read my above description, you can see how quarantine is done can vary greatly. The reason quarantine does not work is because it has leaks so it is not done right. One reason it works in China is because China will take away the infected from their family members and put them in a special quarantine facility. They are making the healthy stay in the healthy container, and the infected in the infected container until they recover. Basically, you need to think about leak and plug them, then it will work. In some other countries, all living essentials will be delivered to the infected so they don't have to go out and it help reduce infections.
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Which expert? Which dumb asses?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474480]That simple huh?
I do not know what is worse. The experts spewing their bullshit or dumb asses like you who keep buying it.[/QUOTE]Let's see now. There's one expert or as he calls himself, the chosen one, who said this is all a hoax and then he said it would just disappear like a miracle in the summer from the heat and then he has a beautiful miracle drug and then he wonders if chlorine somehow ingested would kill it in seconds and then There's his followers who must be the asses who keep believing what he says. I agree with you!
It's easier to fool a fool than it is to convince a fool that he has been fooled.
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To Covid experts from ISG university
I see you are all experts on Covid as well as you are on the politics of it. Can't you see that Trump and his republitards are trying to push a random drug as a cure to the virus (as if "free market" would do something to get us out of this horror) and democrats believe that there is no cure to Covid and that we would all have to be vaccinated or be quarantined for good. At this point no one knows nothing and we should pray that something happens soon so that we can start flying to those amazing places we once did again. I think our only hope is Biden winning and dying soon so that Kamala can do what one is supposed to do up there. Other than that, this moron will have his son in law who is the newspaper man try to have random private labs search for the cure or whatever he thinks might sell to desperate people who are being infected in unprecedented numbers. Pray for America.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474297]I think using that single instance to undermine Dr Fauci is wrong and it only allows the virus to do even more damages.[/QUOTE]How can anyone undermine Fauci when he changes his mind every second?
Here he is on lockdowns and the economy taking both points of view: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk[/URL].
Here he is on public gatherings: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk[/URL].
Here he is in person on social distancing and mask wearing: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOSFbmyF_w[/URL].
It looks to me like the person undermining Fauci is Fauci.
How can you trust an expert who changes his mind every time the wind blows?
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474553]If the virus is inside an air tight container, it can't infect people outside the container. Our normal environment is like a leaky container. Mask can reduce leak but it still leaks unless everyone know how to operate with it perfectly then the virus can still get in thru your eyes. That is why the flight attendants on trans pacific flight wear goggles.
Lock down can be bullet proof if done right. For example, you don't lock people in hotel because most hotels has central A / see, that is a possible leak. You don't let people share bathroom because people may be infected by virus when you flush. It does not matter if these are required or not, just do it and it will be over in a few weeks. We can find the scientific truth later. If you only act after the truth is found, you are wasting valuable time because by the time you found the truth and start to act, you could have stopped the virus without knowing the truth. Just look at China's bordering countries. They are less advanced but doing so much better.
Air travel is another leak but it can be prevented. That is what 14 days quarantine does. You can track and escort a person to the dedicated facility the minute the visitor step out of the gate to make sure there is no leak.
One reason they are arguing is because even the what one would consider the correct position is "leaky" sometimes. For example, if you read my above description, you can see how quarantine is done can vary greatly. The reason quarantine does not work is because it has leaks so it is not done right. One reason it works in China is because China will take away the infected from their family members and put them in a special quarantine facility. They are making the healthy stay in the healthy container, and the infected in the infected container until they recover. Basically, you need to think about leak and plug them, then it will work. In some other countries, all living essentials will be delivered to the infected so they don't have to go out and it help reduce infections.[/QUOTE]You're still not addressing my question. You stated that the solution was a bulletproof lockdown (not clear what this means by your description) and then mandatory face masks for all. Are you suggesting that the virus can't spread anymore after a 14 day "bulletproof lockdown" as long as everyone uses face masks?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474470]Is this disease like all the others? If so, you have a valid point. If it is not, and it is not, then there are no experts.[/QUOTE]Being an expert means that you know how to do research and analysis and come to scholarly conclusions on something. It does not mean that you know everything about something on day 1 minute 1.
You don't take your car to an veteran mechanic and expect him to tell you what is wrong with it before tinkering under the hood and poking around doing an analysis. And when he attempts to do it every 30 seconds you are hollering you are no damn expert at all. If you were you would have had this thing fixed already. Experts do not have to already know everything about something, but they know the process and steps to take in order to find out. And even expert pilots crash; don't mean they were not an expert.
But since the CDC people are not experts, I guess you have just as much chance of figuring the thing out as they do, so have at it.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474032]There's more foolishness from another state that isn't getting the message.
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/students-get-suspended-for-posting-pictures-of-schools-crowded-halls-now-several-people-have-been-infected-2020-08-09?mod=home-page[/URL]
And such is well reflected in their results. See attachments below.[/QUOTE]Georgia is doing just fine, of course they're more sensitive to the virus given their low numbers of deaths. It's funny that some people are still worrying about the virus considering that at worst 0.2% of the population will die while the unemployment is going through the roof.
200 lost their jobs for every old, weak and fat that lost their lives. It's absolutely crazy.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2473801]How to do it and how not to do it, the Covid response with reopening efforts in New York when compared to states such Florida, Georgia, Texas, and California.
"As the cases and deaths rose and hospital spaces were filled up across New York, city and state leaders increased their strict health mandates, ordering that all New Yorkers wear a face covering outdoors in April and maintain social distancing while businesses remained shuttered.
Carol Gomes, the CEO of Stony Brook University Hospital in Suffolk County, told ABC News she believes more people took the governor's orders seriously because of his constant and informative daily news conferences.
While there were some who still blatantly ignored the mandates for face coverings and social distancing, New York residents, by and large, adhered to the health guidance because they were being hit constantly with reminders of that COVID-19 curve, according to Gomes.
'I really do believe that the focus on the balance was communicating with the public about reducing the spread. You go to supermarkets and everyone was wearing masks,' she told ABC News. 'There was continuous reinforcement of the orders in our communities. '.
The efforts paid off, according to Braithwaite, as the data showed cases and deaths were going down throughout the state in April and May. "
And they are still going down even to this day. .
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-coronavirus-bay-states-surges/story?id=71772507[/URL][/QUOTE]This is hilarious, you're aware that NY is only second to NJ when it comes to number of deaths per capita. I would call New York the Corona Capital of the World. The virus truly had its way in NY to the degree that they probably reached herd immunity. NY didn't "succeed" with anything, they failed so bad that they have pretty much already reached the worst case scenario.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2473769]Check my photo attachments, a huge high five to New Yorkers who learned and have done a marvelous job of containing a pandemic. The same data can be found via the link below, and by scrolling down and viewing the graphs related to daily new cases and daily deaths, fucking impressive.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/[/URL]
Enjoy your weekend gentlemen, and again, hats off to New York!.[/QUOTE]The second highest number of deaths per capita in the USA and you're impressed? It's good that they pretty much reached herd immunity, but the way that they failed isn't impressive.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474582]Being an expert means that you know how to do research and analysis and come to scholarly conclusions on something. It does not mean that you know everything about something on day 1 minute 1.
You don't take your car to an veteran mechanic and expect him to tell you what is wrong with it before tinkering under the hood and poking around doing an analysis. And when he attempts to do it every 30 seconds you are hollering you are no damn expert at all. If you were you would have had this thing fixed already. Experts do not have to already know everything about something, but they know the process and steps to take in order to find out. And even expert pilots crash; don't mean they were not an expert.
But since the CDC people are not experts, I guess you have just as much chance of figuring the thing out as they do, so have at it.[/QUOTE]Reading his posts it's very clear that it's all about him. He doesn't want the inconveniences of social distancing and masks. And he cares more about his personal finances and access to cheap pussy than human lives. The experts are in his way so he poops on them at every opportunity, and in a monger forum of all places. It's sad when you think about it, to live in such a tiny, self-absorbed world.
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[QUOTE=Xavter;2474577]You're still not addressing my question. You stated that the solution was a bulletproof lockdown (not clear what this means by your description) and then mandatory face masks for all. Are you suggesting that the virus can't spread anymore after a 14 day "bulletproof lockdown" as long as everyone uses face masks?[/QUOTE]There is a record that people tested positive at 22nd days of quarantine. Instead of the common 14 days isolation protocol, there is at least one country adds 7 days mandatory mask and avoid using public transportation or going to public places. I don't want to give you wrong information because a lot of stuff are not proven so I am not going to explain why.
I said lock down can be bullet proof and present different degree of isolations but I don't mean what I presented is bullet proof. If you can plug all the leaks so virus can't get away to infect others, then it is bullet proof. Obviously you can't lock down everyone so you are going to have people out with masks. If you can come up with a method with mask or quarantine that has no leaks, then it will work because virus can seek out leak to infect others. Try to find a video that shows how doctors and nurses wear and seal their masks to prevent infection if you can. It may help you get the idea.
I am explaining the basic but you need to figure out how to apply it because there is no single answer.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474607]He doesn't want the inconveniences of social distancing and masks. And he cares more about his personal finances and access to cheap pussy than human lives.[/QUOTE]You are a liar. You think New York, the state with the most deaths, is the answer to beating the Corona virus. You think Peruvians suck and Colombians suck because they listened to experts and their populations were decimated by Corona. You want Trump out of office and are willing to destroy the world economy to do so. You think the answer to this crisis is listening to the same people who have been all over the fucking place with their recommendations and that the citizens, most of whom who follow their advice to the tee, are to blame. You want all Americans to blindly hand over their civil rights without ever questioning authority.
I have said umpteen times masks work and that Fauci was dead wrong on this issue.
I am a patriot. You all are sheep.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474595]The second highest number of deaths per capita in the USA and you're impressed? It's good that they pretty much reached herd immunity, but the way that they failed isn't impressive.[/QUOTE]And Cuomo sending back infected nursing home residents to their facilities to infect other residents?
Cuomo's call for needing 30,0000 ventilators?
And then there was Cuomo's latest "I literally talk to people all day long who are now in their Hamptons house who also lived here, or in their Hudson Valley house, or in their Connecticut weekend house, and I say, 'You got to come back! We'll go to dinner! I'll buy you a drink! Come over, I'll cook! The Democratic governor said Monday.
Do you know what MSDNC loving guys like Paulie call this? Real leadership!
This lying sack of shit actually tried to put himself out as a Republican.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474665]I said lock down can be bullet proof and present different degree of isolations but I don't mean what I presented is bullet proof. If you can plug all the leaks so virus can't get away to infect others, then it is bullet proof. Obviously you can't lock down everyone so you are going to have people out with masks. If you can come up with a method with mask or quarantine that has no leaks, then it will work because virus can seek out leak to infect others.[/QUOTE]That is great, Nounce. What are you going to come up with next, a cure for AIDS or TB? WTF is wrong with you that you would even propose a cure?
[QUOTE=Nounce;2474665]I am explaining the basic but you need to figure out how to apply it because there is no single answer.[/QUOTE]Nope, frequent testing, targeted quarantines and isolation and masks used under given circumstances slow the spread of the virus. That is it. Generalized quarantines do great at one thing for sure, destroying economies.
The funny thing about this is I have been down this rabbit hole before, and you dummies are going to be repeating the same things I just said as if you were right the whole time.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474607]Reading his posts it's very clear that it's all about him. He doesn't want the inconveniences of social distancing and masks. And he cares more about his personal finances and access to cheap pussy than human lives. The experts are in his way so he poops on them at every opportunity, and in a monger forum of all places. It's sad when you think about it, to live in such a tiny, self-absorbed world.[/QUOTE]People are losing their jobs, companies and a few even their homes! I can't believe that some people don't see the actual consequences of this self inflicted economic recession, or even depression. So far I'm lucky, I get to keep my job and thanks to people like you there will be no shortage of pussy and I've never seen the hotel prices so low. Yet I'm not happy because I care about others and am consider of the human suffering.
The politicians in charge of the lockdowns are not the ones losing their income, they live a good life in quarantine while others don't know how to pay their rent or have money for food. That over a virus that isn't even that dangerous, most get it and get on with their lives without any problems.
The question is; who's really living in "such a tiny, self-absorbed world"?
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2474665]There is a record that people tested positive at 22nd days of quarantine. Instead of the common 14 days isolation protocol, there is at least one country adds 7 days mandatory mask and avoid using public transportation or going to public places. I don't want to give you wrong information because a lot of stuff are not proven so I am not going to explain why.
I said lock down can be bullet proof and present different degree of isolations but I don't mean what I presented is bullet proof. If you can plug all the leaks so virus can't get away to infect others, then it is bullet proof. Obviously you can't lock down everyone so you are going to have people out with masks. If you can come up with a method with mask or quarantine that has no leaks, then it will work because virus can seek out leak to infect others. Try to find a video that shows how doctors and nurses wear and seal their masks to prevent infection if you can. It may help you get the idea.
I am explaining the basic but you need to figure out how to apply it because there is no single answer.[/QUOTE]Well now you're backpedaling on your earlier declarative statements. You stated that:
[QUOTE=Nounce;2474665]Its trumps fault for being the worst leader imaginable on this. And its the fault of the media for doing a horrible job--especially fox noise. And the American people are responsible for this debacle with their greed and stupidity.
6 weeks hardcore lockdown followed by national mask mandate for 2 months and we can start moving on. Should have been done March April May.
Shame on trump, fox noise and the republicans for politicizing public health and turning the USA into the worlds worst failure for dealing with the pandemic. Shameful.[/QUOTE]Now you're stating that there is no single answer and that someone needs to come up with a method with masks or quarantine. So which one do you believe? I believe you should stop making declarative statements that you can't support in order to take political pot shots.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474588]Georgia is doing just fine.[/QUOTE]Georgia is not doing "just fine. " Confirmed cases and deaths are surging there in a big way. I posted the graphs already. Here they are again. If you are having trouble reading and interpreting the simple data maybe you can find someone to help you. They like several other states opened too soon and are paying a serious price.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474588]It's funny that some people are still worrying about the virus considering that at worst 0.2% of the population will die while the unemployment is going through the roof.[/QUOTE]At worst? You are at. 06% in Sweden now and counting, with 11 times the per capita deaths as your neighbor Norway. And even with this foolish, deadly experiment you are only at about 10% of the way to herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/21/coronavirus-swedish-herd-immunity-drove-up-death-toll-column/5472100002/[/URL]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474588]200 lost their jobs for every old, weak and fat that lost their lives. It's absolutely crazy.[/QUOTE]More false information. What's crazy is your failed experiment in Sweden that killed many thousands of your countrymen needlessly.
Covid causes more than death. Many suffer long term, debilitating symptoms and permanent damage is possible.
[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/featured/sns-nyt-op-what-to-do-when-coronavirus-doesnt-go-away-20200810-mm3uugn275eplcdglidoylngzy-story.html[/URL]
Though it primarily effects elders the young don't get a pass.
[URL]https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/more-young-people-are-dying-from-covid-19-in-florida/[/URL]
[URL]https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/21-year-old-says-covid-19-seemed-like-flu-or-cold-at-first-before-he-was-on-the-verge-of-death/[/URL]
There's also evidence of serious neurological effects in small children.
[URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101[/URL] . 20088021 v1.
[URL]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane[/URL] . Ct /2767979.
Scroll down and review the CDC data on deaths. Plenty of the 54 and under crowd are effected.
[URL]https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku[/URL]
I couldn't care less about your unemployment or access to cheap pussy. Economies recover. Dead people never do. Your foolish experiment failed. The world doesn't want to sacrifice millions of lives chasing herd immunity. We want to take certain precautions while we work on effective treatments and a vaccine. So put the cork in your whining and your failed, dangerous ideas back in your ass.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474595]The second highest number of deaths per capita in the USA and you're impressed? It's good that they pretty much reached herd immunity, but the way that they failed isn't impressive.[/QUOTE]This is of course is a deflection, key ring jingle, "oh don't look at that, look over here!" No one denies that New York was once the epicenter of the virus. This isn't surprising given the logistics, a crowed major city, heavy use of mass transit systems and it's a huge hub for international travel. What's impressive is their response to the disaster, as over the last three months they've gone from confirmed daily cases in the 10 K rangle down to around 500. Death rates have seen a similar trajectory. And how was this all accomplished? It was with daily news briefings and widespread compliance with masks, social distancing and other containment measures. It works. That's what you don't want to hear, so you change the subject.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474593]This is hilarious, you're aware that NY is only second to NJ when it comes to number of deaths per capita. I would call New York the Corona Capital of the World. The virus truly had its way in NY to the degree that they probably reached herd immunity. NY didn't "succeed" with anything, they failed so bad that they have pretty much already reached the worst case scenario.[/QUOTE]This deflection was answered in my prior post to you so no need to rehash it. New York is still a long ways from herd immunity, estimates are that in the rangle of 20 to 25% of the population has been exposed. What isn't hilarious is Sweden, 22 times the number of deaths, 11 times the per capita death rate of their neighbor Norway as a result of a foolish experiment, completely avoidable and was essentially suicide.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474572]How can anyone undermine Fauci when he changes his mind every second?
Here he is on lockdowns and the economy taking both points of view: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk[/URL].
Here he is on public gatherings: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk[/URL].
Here he is in person on social distancing and mask wearing: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOSFbmyF_w[/URL].
It looks to me like the person undermining Fauci is Fauci.
How can you trust an expert who changes his mind every time the wind blows?[/QUOTE]You're kidding me, right? You take 3 out of context videos, all from Tucker Carlson, and those are your proof? Stop with your constant bullshit. Link the full interviews, instead of the carefully cropped segments that Fox likes to use to convince the terminally stupid, of whatever lie they are perpetuating.
Still true to form.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474595] It's good that they pretty much reached herd immunity[/QUOTE]NY has no more reached "herd immunity" than Georgia is "doing fine. ".
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/roughly-25percent-of-new-york-city-has-probably-been-infected-with-coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says.html[/URL]
Oh how easy it is to lie in a monger forum. The supply of such is inexhaustible.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474593]This is hilarious, you're aware that NY is only second to NJ when it comes to number of deaths per capita. I would call New York the Corona Capital of the World. The virus truly had its way in NY to the degree that they probably reached herd immunity. NY didn't "succeed" with anything, they failed so bad that they have pretty much already reached the worst case scenario.[/QUOTE]First, it's still unknown whether "herd immunity" is possible with this virus. We already know that having the virus once doesn't provide protection against reinfection for many people. Whether repeated exposure will allow people to build up a resistance is still unknown.
Second, since we know herd immunity will require at least 2 infections per person, there has not been sufficient time for anyplace to acquire herd immunity.
Third, "herd immunity" requires at least 70% of the population to develop resistance. For New York that would require roughly 14 million people to have the disease at least twice. Much higher than the 428 k confirmed cases so far.
Fourth, the success of a response is determined by the final result, rather than the starting point. If you started out with an investment of $10 million, you're not considered a successful investor if you end up with $50,000. On the other hand, if you turn $50 k into $10 million, you've done fantastic. New York had around 5,000 new cases daily when they initiated strict controls to combat the virus. They peaked at over 11 k new cases daily 6 weeks later. Since that time they have shown constant improvement with daily new cases hovering around 700 and daily deaths around 10.
It continues to baffle me how people fail to grasp that basic concept. Let's see if this makes sense to you:
There are 2 identical high rise apartment buildings. In the first building there is an explosion, which immediately destroys 10 apartments, damages another 30 and kills 48 people. In the second building there is a small fire in a garbage can.
In the first building, the fire is put out through extraordinary efforts and only 5 of the 45 floors are seriously damaged.
In the second building, nothing is done about the fire and it grows. By the time anyone does anything 39 people are dead, another 300 people are trapped and at least 6 floors have been destroyed. Who knows what the final numbers will be?
Using your reasoning, the first building is an example of doing everything wrong, while the second building is an example of doing everything right?
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Gotcha
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474717]People are losing their jobs, companies and a few even their homes! I can't believe that some people don't see the actual consequences of this self inflicted economic recession, or even depression. So far I'm lucky, I get to keep my job and thanks to people like you there will be no shortage of pussy and I've never seen the hotel prices so low. Yet I'm not happy because I care about others and am consider of the human suffering.
The politicians in charge of the lockdowns are not the ones losing their income, they live a good life in quarantine while others don't know how to pay their rent or have money for food. That over a virus that isn't even that dangerous, most get it and get on with their lives without any problems.
The question is; who's really living in "such a tiny, self-absorbed world"?[/QUOTE]And again stop whining. It's clear that this is mostly about you, your cheap hotels and cheap pussy, your money, etc. And you persist in spreading false information time and again in spite of the fact that you were repeatedly, effectively corrected. What is the motive for persistently spreading lies in a monger forum? If you really cared about people you'the stop lying, stop saying Georgia is doing fine, stop ducking and hiding from the fact that social distancing and masks have been highly effective at bringing the virus under control in New York, stop saying New York has reached herd immunity when they aren't even close, stop saying the virus isn't dangerous when it effects all ages and at times causes long term debilitating symptoms, etc. But you persist in embracing myths because you think it's in your self-interest to do so.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474717]People are losing their jobs, companies and a few even their homes! I can't believe that some people don't see the actual consequences of this self inflicted economic recession, or even depression. So far I'm lucky, I get to keep my job and thanks to people like you there will be no shortage of pussy and I've never seen the hotel prices so low. Yet I'm not happy because I care about others and am consider of the human suffering.
The politicians in charge of the lockdowns are not the ones losing their income, they live a good life in quarantine while others don't know how to pay their rent or have money for food. That over a virus that isn't even that dangerous, most get it and get on with their lives without any problems.
The question is; who's really living in "such a tiny, self-absorbed world"?[/QUOTE]People lost their jobs, businesses and homes in 2008. Remember?
I'm trying to recall. Perhaps you can help me out here. Did the world end? There were almost 3 million foreclosures in the US in 2009. Weekly, there were over 500 k new unemployment claims in 2009. There were even more back in 1982, but that's another story. Did the world end in 2009? If you would like, we can go back to 1929. Did the world end? Or for an economic crisis triggered by a pandemic, we can revisit 1918. Again I will ask, did the world end?
Of course, maybe this time will be different. Maybe this time, unless we completely ignore the disease and focus on an economy that remains essentially unchanged for 80% of the people, the world will end.
I'm betting it won't.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2474582]Being an expert means that you know how to do research and analysis and come to scholarly conclusions on something. It does not mean that you know everything about something on day 1 minute 1.[/QUOTE]I totally agree, ME, and that means when you make a conclusion, and you are wrong about it. You admit it. Show me any expert who has done that here.
I want your take on Fauci and the ball park and social distancing. He didn't social distance. Why? Because he was lazy or was he doing it because he knows social distancing does not work but didn't come out and admit he was wrong?
Don't you think experts have to lead by example? Showing us the video means he is either a fraud or a liar, and I have little patience with someone like Fauci asking everyone else to sacrifice while he does whatever the fuck he wants.
I am sick of so called government experts who do not admit fault with anything.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474717]People are losing their jobs, companies and a few even their homes! I can't believe that some people don't see the actual consequences of this self inflicted economic recession, or even depression. So far I'm lucky, I get to keep my job and thanks to people like you there will be no shortage of pussy and I've never seen the hotel prices so low. Yet I'm not happy because I care about others and am consider of the human suffering.
The politicians in charge of the lockdowns are not the ones losing their income, they live a good life in quarantine while others don't know how to pay their rent or have money for food. That over a virus that isn't even that dangerous, most get it and get on with their lives without any problems.
The question is; who's really living in "such a tiny, self-absorbed world"?[/QUOTE]I agree.
Shoobree, do you remember there was a hair stylist in Dallas who stayed open and became a bit of a hero when a liberal POS judge wanted to put her in jail?
"As Shelley Luther faced criminal and civil contempt-of-court charges, Judge Moyé offered her a chance to make things right: She had to admit her actions were selfish and wrong and that she would follow the law. ".
So this is the Paulie libtard POV. How dare you put your own selfish interests above the interests of the community? You are killing people! To jail with you, you selfish *****!
She did go to jail and said before going.
"I have to disagree with you, sir, when you say that I'm selfish, because feeding my kids is not selfish," she said in court Tuesday, CBS DFW reported. "I have hair stylists that are going hungry because they'the rather feed their kids. So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut down the salon. ".
He sentenced Luther to seven days in jail.
This is liberalism in action. This woman did not do what the experts said because she did not believe them. She kept her business open and adopted the best sanitary practices she could. Her clients came in knowing the risks but did so anyway. She defied the experts and in doing so, she was put in jail.
But on Thursday, the state Supreme Court ordered her release. A Dallas Morning News video shows her leaving jail amid a cheering crowd with balloons.
So this woman's victory to Nounce, JJBee, and Paulie and all the other libtards was crazy and horribly irresponsible, and as I said, Fauci himself is not even social distancing in his leisure time right? And no one is throwing his sorry government ass in jail or fining him.
The notion that social distancing works is not based on science but just repetition. In fact, the WHO actually recommended three feet of distance versus six. It was like heterosexual AIDS. There were so many studies that showed there was a 0% transmission rate I was like why are we saying this study showed it was 0%. The evidence for heterosexual AIDS transmission was shit anyway, and the same is true about catching Covid when you are getting your hair cut, but somehow you have to prove that it is safe because the experts made that judgment on shit evidence.
So in Springfield, Missouri, you have two hair stylists, and both are Covid positive. They see 139 clients, and NOT ONE PERSON gets Covid.
So does the CDC come out and say we fucked up? Does the judge do likewise? "Sorry, hair stylists, we fucked up and we put you out of business. Nyah, nyah, nyah! We have jobs and you do not. " Of course not. None of those fuckers admits they did anything wrong. You the citizens are supposed to sacrifice but not people in government will keep our jobs not even when we royally fuck up. Shit, we are getting paid even when we don't work.
Here is what the CDC wrote.
As stay-at-home orders are lifted, professional and social interactions in the community will present more opportunities for spread of SARS-CoV-2. Broader implementation of face covering policies could mitigate the spread of infection in the general population.
See what I mean? These liberal fucktard so called experts can never admit they are wrong about anything.
By the way, this is one of a bunch of other anecdotal instances that got the government to do an about face on mask wearing, but they really never and came out and explained why their attitudes changed. It is there, but you have to dig it out.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474723]Georgia is not doing "just fine. " Confirmed cases and deaths are surging there in a big way. I posted the graphs already. Here they are again. If you are having trouble reading and interpreting the simple data maybe you can find someone to help you. They like several other states opened too soon and are paying a serious price.
At worst? You are at. 06% in Sweden now and counting, with 11 times the per capita deaths as your neighbor Norway. And even with this foolish, deadly experiment you are only at about 10% of the way to herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/21/coronavirus-swedish-herd-immunity-drove-up-death-toll-column/5472100002/[/URL]
More false information. What's crazy is your failed experiment in Sweden that killed many thousands of your countrymen needlessly.
Covid causes more than death. Many suffer long term, debilitating symptoms and permanent damage is possible.
[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/featured/sns-nyt-op-what-to-do-when-coronavirus-doesnt-go-away-20200810-mm3uugn275eplcdglidoylngzy-story.html[/URL]
Though it primarily effects elders the young don't get a pass.
[URL]https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/more-young-people-are-dying-from-covid-19-in-florida/[/URL]
[URL]https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/21-year-old-says-covid-19-seemed-like-flu-or-cold-at-first-before-he-was-on-the-verge-of-death/[/URL]
There's also evidence of serious neurological effects in small children..[/QUOTE]The death toll in Georgia is a fifth of the one in New York, Georgia is doing fine. The people that are dying would in most cases have died sooner rather than later anyways. A 20 year old Toyota isn't worth as much as a brand new Audi RS5. Stop destroying the lives of innocent people that have nothing to fear from this ridiculous virus.
The number of daily deaths in Sweden are close to zero, we had an excellent and scientific approach to this virus. It's rather obvious that we're getting close to herd immunity in Sweden. We've beaten the virus. Lockdowns are not working. Less than 5800 deaths in a country with over 10 million inhabitants, that's a low price to pay. Especially considering that those 5774 persons wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. Survival of the fittest and Herd Immunity for the Win!
People have died in Denmark, Norway and Finland as well. They are seeing new outbreaks while in Sweden the number of deaths are going down, down, down. Soon to be 0 a day. Herd immunity is a beautiful thing. 99.94% have survived this virus, it's simply incredible how brilliant and successful the Swedish strategy have been. It's a big win for the country and the Swedish people. We Swedes are extremely fortunate and happy to have been guided through this mess by a man like Tegnell. Although we are extremely worried over the incompetence shown in other European countries. Great leaders aren't driven by fear and populism, like in Germany and France, but by science.
You need to stop lying. If reality is contradicting your opinions, then maybe you should reconsider your opinions. For each death 200 people have lost their jobs. It's hard to comprehend the price the society is paying for delaying the inevitable with a few months or years. Most of those that are dying can't even take care themselves. They can't even take a shower or get dressed by themselves. Many of them are already living in the hospital. Sadly many of them have lost the will to live since they aren't living dignified lives. Senior citizens of good health can easily go into quarantine in their own homes without any danger to get infected. To quarantine people under 50 is moronic considering that only 70 persons in that age group have died.
Thank you for showing your true colors, you don't care about people losing their jobs and homes. You don't care about billions of humans being thrown back into extreme poverty. You don't care about families getting their lives destroyed and I don't care about you being afraid of a pathetic little virus that only kills the old and weak. Life is getting back to normal, if you're scared stay at home.
The Swedish strategy is based on science, not populism, it's also been proven to be the overall most successful strategy.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474757]NY has no more reached "herd immunity" than Georgia is "doing fine. ".
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/roughly-25percent-of-new-york-city-has-probably-been-infected-with-coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says.html[/URL]
Oh how easy it is to lie in a monger forum. The supply of such is inexhaustible.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've noticed that lying comes easy to you.
NY is seeing the effects of herd immunity, that's why the daily death toll is so low. We've seen the same pattern in the other countries / states / cities most effected by this pandemic.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474737]This deflection was answered in my prior post to you so no need to rehash it. New York is still a long ways from herd immunity, estimates are that in the rangle of 20 to 25% of the population has been exposed. What isn't hilarious is Sweden, 22 times the number of deaths, 11 times the per capita death rate of their neighbor Norway as a result of a foolish experiment, completely avoidable and was essentially suicide.[/QUOTE]What you're doing is self-projecting your thoughts on me. I was simply responding to your post praising NY, the COVID-19 Capital of the World. It's funny how quick you were to change the topic.
The job losses caused by the lockdowns are unparalleled and the worst betrayal of young people in human history.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474757]NY has no more reached "herd immunity" than Georgia is "doing fine. ".
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/roughly-25percent-of-new-york-city-has-probably-been-infected-with-coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says.html[/URL]
Oh how easy it is to lie in a monger forum. The supply of such is inexhaustible.[/QUOTE]Correct. We are beyond far off from even the possibility of heard immunity. One of my clients, a well trained epidemiologist, modeled that nearly 750,000 US citizens would have to die before herd immunity was likely (if at all possible). I know, silly me for believer her over CNN, Fox news, or the monger board.
Oh, and BTW, howdy from CRT.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2474712]That is great, Nounce. What are you going to come up with next, a cure for AIDS or TB? WTF is wrong with you that you would even propose a cure?
Nope, frequent testing, targeted quarantines and isolation and masks used under given circumstances slow the spread of the virus. That is it. Generalized quarantines do great at one thing for sure, destroying economies.
The funny thing about this is I have been down this rabbit hole before, and you dummies are going to be repeating the same things I just said as if you were right the whole time.[/QUOTE]
Don't know who's post you are responding to? Did I say it has to be generalized quarantine, total lockdown? What I know is we both agree target quarantines can work, but you have to come up with something I did not say to disagree with me?
I did not even want to add to make it even more confusing when you made the similar statement responding to JB. I know at least a country that does not do testing like you described and they are fine. There is actually a debate on whether they should do more testing but so far they are fine without. Why do I know because I am in that country right now. I write what I observe first hand. Haha.
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[QUOTE=Xavter;2474718]Well now you're backpedaling on your earlier declarative statements. You stated that:
Now you're stating that there is no single answer and that someone needs to come up with a method with masks or quarantine. So which one do you believe? I believe you should stop making declarative statements that you can't support in order to take political pot shots.[/QUOTE]
I have already been to two countries with no current Covid outbreaks now. What I wrote is what I observe and experience. And I am planning to go to another country without virus infection but 14 days quarantine is a killer. Sorry you have problem comprehending my post. Obviously I can't help you,
Don't know why you quoted me on something posted by JustIncognito?
[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2474438]But. Its trumps fault for being the worst leader imaginable on this. And its the fault of the media for doing a horrible job--especially fox noise. And the American people are responsible for this debacle with their greed and stupidity.
6 weeks hardcore lockdown followed by national mask mandate for 2 months and we can start moving on. Should have been done March April May.
Shame on trump, fox noise and the republicans for politicizing public health and turning the USA into the worlds worst failure for dealing with the pandemic. Shameful.[/QUOTE]
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Quackwatch
Some of you might have seen this Dr. Scott Atlas, a neurologist whoring himself out on Fox News. He also buddies up to the POTUS and tells him what he wants to hear. He's not a contagious disease specialist, is at odds with virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet, and uses "data" from the 50's, 70's, and 80's. LOL he's also steadily been wrong. Here's one of many useful quotes followed by a link to the article that contains many more. For source citations follow the embedded links.
"In an opinion column on March 26, citing the early fatality-rate estimates of another researcher, Dr. John Ioannidis, Dr. Atlas wrote: 'There is massive uncertainty, but using Ioannidis' mid-range fatality rate, this virus could cause about 10,000 deaths in the United States overall, overall, a number that would not be extraordinary news in the total of flu-like deaths every season. '
[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/503047-our-lockdowns-are-not-deadlier-than-the-disease[/URL]
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Quackwatch Part II
Given that this is a federal crime Trump should immediately pardon these individuals and put them on his Covid-19 advisory staff. That's if he doesn't want to first sue them for stealing his idea. .
"The Colombian prosecutor's office said Tuesday that Mark and Joseph Grennon were arrested in the beach town of Santa Marta, and were shipping their "Miracle Mineral Solution" — chlorine dioxide — from there to clients in the United States, Colombia and Africa. It said seven Americans had died from using the substance. Mark Grenon is the archbishop of the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing, based in Bradenton, Florida, which is centered on use of the toxic chemical as a supposed sacrament it claims can cure a vast variety of illnesses ranging from cancer to autism to malaria and now COVID-19. "
[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/colombia-arrests-us-men-accused-selling-fake-covid-72329667[/URL]
P.S. Notice these guys were very concerned about their "constitutional rights. " Marvelous.
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[QUOTE=Psychman;2474810]Correct. We are beyond far off from even the possibility of heard immunity. One of my clients, a well trained epidemiologist, modeled that nearly 750,000 US citizens would have to die before herd immunity was likely (if at all possible). I know, silly me for believer her over CNN, Fox news, or the monger board.
Oh, and BTW, howdy from CRT.[/QUOTE]She doesn't seem to be especially competent, much more competent and higher ranked epidemiologist predicts a lower death toll. Her guess isn't especially likely to occur.
750 thousand isn't that much in a country with a population of over 300 million. Vulnerable groups can easily self-quarantine, those that are most likely to die are those that can't take care of themselves and would probably die soon anyways. There's not much dignity left in life for those that lives in the hospital or can't take a shower or get dressed by themselves. Survival of the fittest.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2474757]NY has no more reached "herd immunity" than Georgia is "doing fine. ".
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/roughly-25percent-of-new-york-city-has-probably-been-infected-with-coronavirus-dr-scott-gottlieb-says.html[/URL]
Oh how easy it is to lie in a monger forum. The supply of such is inexhaustible.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've noticed that you like to lie.
The low number of deaths in NY is a result of herd immunity. There's no coincidence that the regions and cities with the highest death toll experiences the same pattern, and that's regardless of their strategy. San Marino haven't reported a COVID-19 related death since the 23 d of May. It's called herd immunity, but I'm sure that you're extremely impressed by San Marino and their fight against Corona.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237[/URL]
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200731/Research-suggests-New-York-City-may-have-reached-coronavirus-herd-immunity-threshold.aspx[/URL]
Waiting for a effective vaccine (which may most likely never come) is not an option. When will you wake up and smell the coffee?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474853]She doesn't seem to be especially competent, much more competent and higher ranked epidemiologist predicts a lower death toll. Her guess isn't especially likely to occur.
750 thousand isn't that much in a country with a population of over 300 million. Vulnerable groups can easily self-quarantine, those that are most likely to die are those that can't take care of themselves and would probably die soon anyways. There's not much dignity left in life for those that lives in the hospital or can't take a shower or get dressed by themselves. Survival of the fittest.[/QUOTE]If "survival of the fittest" requires critical thinking skills, you might want to start making funeral arrangements.
750 thousand isn't that much? I think most people would disagree. About 3000 people died in the US from the 9/11 attacks and the US has spent about $7 trillion in response. 4 people died in the Benghazi attack and the US spent $7 million investigating. With covid we're barely 20% of the way there and everyone is already screaming about the cost.
Of course we still have no evidence herd immunity is a possibility with this virus, so sacrificing several million people around the world for an unknown result seems like a bad idea.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474861]Yeah, I've noticed that you like to lie.
The low number of deaths in NY is a result of herd immunity. There's no coincidence that the regions and cities with the highest death toll experiences the same pattern, and that's regardless of their strategy. San Marino haven't reported a COVID-19 related death since the 23 d of May. It's called herd immunity, but I'm sure that you're extremely impressed by San Marino and their fight against Corona.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237[/URL]
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200731/Research-suggests-New-York-City-may-have-reached-coronavirus-herd-immunity-threshold.aspx[/URL]
Waiting for a effective vaccine (which may most likely never come) is not an option. When will you wake up and smell the coffee?[/QUOTE]BS. Piled higher and deeper. I'm sure you've found websites. Good for you. Show me herd immunity for the other common Coronovirus, the common cold. There is herd immunity to some things because of vaccines. Other than that I know of no other example in humans. If it even could happen with this virus, we've got a long long ways to go.
Places change their strategies, as New York has done. And by keeping people apart you certainly can stop this virus.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2474992]BS. Piled higher and deeper. I'm sure you've found websites. Good for you. Show me herd immunity for the other common Coronovirus, the common cold. There is herd immunity to some things because of vaccines. Other than that I know of no other example in humans. If it even could happen with this virus, we've got a long long ways to go.
Places change their strategies, as New York has done. And by keeping people apart you certainly can stop this virus.[/QUOTE]I had to look up to see how San Marino dealt with the virus. Strangely enough couldn't find one mention of "herd immunity. " However, with only around 700 cases with a population of 33,000, even if the threshold is 20%, which only an idiot would believe, they're still about 18% short. Although if we assume the disease can only be transmitted while having sex with a yodeling nun who has no teeth and a giant wart on her nose, while juggling 6 live cobras, underwater, then 2% is probably enough for herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/25/can-san-marino-s-aggressive-covid-19-testing-strategy-save-europe[/URL]
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2474985]If "survival of the fittest" requires critical thinking skills, you might want to start making funeral arrangements.
750 thousand isn't that much? I think most people would disagree. About 3000 people died in the US from the 9/11 attacks and the US has spent about $7 trillion in response. 4 people died in the Benghazi attack and the US spent $7 million investigating. With covid we're barely 20% of the way there and everyone is already screaming about the cost.
Of course we still have no evidence herd immunity is a possibility with this virus, so sacrificing several million people around the world for an unknown result seems like a bad idea.[/QUOTE]Look at that, the pot calling the kettle black.
3 millions dies every year in the US, the Coronavirus might in the worst case scenario take 660'000 lives in the US. Put in perspective it's not that much. Over 30 million lost their jobs because of the lockdowns, that is much! For each corona related death over a hundred lost their jobs. That's extreme. Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. Normal people that can take care of themselves can self-quarantine without any problems.
Sacrificing the economy and the future of a generation is unacceptable. The experiment with lockdowns needs to end. We have no successful vaccine on the horizon and we can't keep locking up healthy people that have nothing to fear from the pathetic virus that can only kill the weakest.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2474992]BS. Piled higher and deeper. I'm sure you've found websites. Good for you. Show me herd immunity for the other common Coronovirus, the common cold. There is herd immunity to some things because of vaccines. Other than that I know of no other example in humans. If it even could happen with this virus, we've got a long long ways to go.
Places change their strategies, as New York has done. And by keeping people apart you certainly can stop this virus.[/QUOTE]Where's your evidence of it not being herd immunity?
NY is seeing the effects of herd immunity, Sweden didn't change their strategy yet they are seeing a sharp decrease in number of Corona related deaths. There are no real evidence against that.
Well, if we are going to compare it to the common cold the only way forward is to simply live with it. The low mortality rate most certainly enable us to live life as normal.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2475012]I had to look up to see how San Marino dealt with the virus. Strangely enough couldn't find one mention of "herd immunity. " However, with only around 700 cases with a population of 33,000, even if the threshold is 20%, which only an idiot would believe, they're still about 18% short. Although if we assume the disease can only be transmitted while having sex with a yodeling nun who has no teeth and a giant wart on her nose, while juggling 6 live cobras, underwater, then 2% is probably enough for herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/25/can-san-marino-s-aggressive-covid-19-testing-strategy-save-europe[/URL][/QUOTE]I would be really embarrassed if I thought that San Marino didn't have any unreported cases of corona, especially considering that it's the country worst affected of the virus in the world. Only a complete moron would even if entertain that thought.
I for one would love to hear how come San Marino was so unlucky to have a death rate twice the one of the US. USA, the country known for their serious health problems among the population. It's so weird that the experts are talking about a mortality rate in the range of 0.2-1.0%, but in San Marino they have a mortality rate of over 6%. That blows my mind.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475037]Look at that, the pot calling the kettle black.
3 millions dies every year in the US, the Coronavirus might in the worst case scenario take 660'000 lives in the US. Put in perspective it's not that much. Over 30 million lost their jobs because of the lockdowns, that is much! For each corona related death over a hundred lost their jobs. That's extreme. Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. Normal people that can take care of themselves can self-quarantine without any problems.
Sacrificing the economy and the future of a generation is unacceptable. The experiment with lockdowns needs to end. We have no successful vaccine on the horizon and we can't keep locking up healthy people that have nothing to fear from the pathetic virus that can only kill the weakest.[/QUOTE]Why can't any of you stupid fucks do basic math? Seriously? I sort of understand it from the US, because the country has been embracing ignorance as a virtue for decades, but I thought Europe was better.
Using your numbers, because I don't want to put any extra strain on the 9 pissants you're using in lieu of a brain, 660,000 additional deaths would be an increase in the annual number of deaths of more than 20%. Put in perspective, that's a huge fucking jump. Even the 200,000 which currently looks unavoidable for the US represents a 7% increase in number of deaths.
Another question. Why can't any of you stupid fucks understand that nobody is "sacrificing the economy?" During a global pandemic, especially one of this magnitude, the economy is going to suffer. Whether you do nothing, or you take extreme measures, the economy is going to take a hit. The question is:
Is it better to put the economy on pause for 12 weeks, while you get a handle on the spread of disease, or is it better to let the disease run it's course and let the economy suffer indefinitely?
My belief is that a 12 week shutdown, followed by an extended period of mandated mask usage, represents a manageable, and more importantly predictable, retraction of the economy. Look at any of the countries which successfully followed this route and it appears to have worked. I'm not hearing about a generation of South Koreans having their future sacrificed. I'm not reading about the economic devastation in New Zealand and Taiwan. Nobody is reporting on the collapse of civilization in Germany.
On the other hand, the problems and hits to the economy continue in the US, after reopening too soon. Unemployment is still very high, productivity is down, many industries are struggling. There's currently no sunny day on the horizon for the US, economically.
Now, for all those people who you consider useless and with no future, I disagree. You're stating that anyone 65 or older, or anyone with a long list of high risk factors is better off dead. If that's your belief, what have you done in the past to make this a matter of public policy? Have you advocated that no person 65 or older be allowed to hold public office? Have you protested that no person 65 or older should be allowed any form of employment or public assistance? You've stated they have no potential, no life ahead of them, why is it that only now you've decided it's acceptable to sacrifice them?
Here's a nice number for you: 311. Any guesses what 311 represents? It represents about 1 of every 3 Nobel Prize winners. Of the 919 individuals awarded Nobel Prizes, 311 were 65 or older at the time of award, with the oldest being 90.311 useless people with nothing to contribute.
At the time of the American Revolution Benjamin Franklin, arguably the architect of the revolution, was 70 years old.
Anna Mary Robertson Moses, more commonly known as "Grandma Moses" didn't begin painting until she was 78.
Paul Dirac was still contributing to the field of physics well into his 70's.
Galileo Galilei was 68 when he wrote "Concerning the Two Chief World Systems."
Max Planck's contributions to physics continued well into his 70's.
Even Donald Trump was 70 years old when he became President.
The arts, sciences and even politics are full of examples of people with a great deal to contribute, even with poor health or at an advanced age. Many of the people who frequent this forum are either already in the group that you're happy to kill off, or they're close enough to see that day coming.
Yet, you've decided that all those people need to die. Are you willing to put yourself on the chopping block too? You're ready, willing and eager to kill off anyone else who has a high risk factor. Will you commit your own life to that ideal? It's quite simple. On the day you turn 65, or on the day when you are diagnosed with any condition which puts you in the high risk group for coronavirus, stop eating, stop drinking. Stop being what you've declared is useless. Note that if you are prescribed any medications which depress your auto-immune system, you automatically enter the high risk group, regardless of age.
Or does your willingness to kill only apply to others?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475038]Where's your evidence of it not being herd immunity?
NY is seeing the effects of herd immunity, Sweden didn't change their strategy yet they are seeing a sharp decrease in number of Corona related deaths. There are no real evidence against that.
Well, if we are going to compare it to the common cold the only way forward is to simply live with it. The low mortality rate most certainly enable us to live life as normal.[/QUOTE]Another thing these stupid fucks can't seem to grasp, basic scientific principles. Is Sweden's education system really that bad, or are you just abnormally stupid?
It's impossible to prove a negative.
Here's a simple example:
A clueless fucking idiot claims "herd immunity" is responsible for any city or country which has seen a drop in the number of new cases of coronavirus infection. The shit for brains fuckwad provides no evidence, nothing other than the baseless and frankly moronic claim that "herd immunity" is responsible.
Even if you run an antibody test on 100% of the population, the ass candy munching, cockless imbecile will insist the tests are flawed, the threshold for "herd immunity" is lower, or that some bizarre conspiracy is in play. There's simply no way to overcome the entrenched ignorance of such mentally challenged shitstains.
Science doesn't work that way. Instead of trying to prove that a giant ravenous monster doesn't either take a bite out of the moon each night, or regurgitate it, science notes the orbital path and period of the moon in relation to the rotation of the Earth and shows the changing phase of the moon is merely a matter of perspective, rather than a change in the size and shape of the moon.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475041]I would be really embarrassed if I thought that San Marino didn't have any unreported cases of corona, especially considering that it's the country worst affected of the virus in the world. Only a complete moron would even if entertain that thought.
I for one would love to hear how come San Marino was so unlucky to have a death rate twice the one of the US. USA, the country known for their serious health problems among the population. It's so weird that the experts are talking about a mortality rate in the range of 0.2-1.0%, but in San Marino they have a mortality rate of over 6%. That blows my mind.[/QUOTE]You should be really embarrassed. Well, your parents should be really embarrassed, as I'm certain they are.
If you had bothered to read the link you would have noted. Sorry. A person with an IQ over 75 would have noted that San Marino has tested 5. 6% of their population, much more than any other European country. The next closest is Italy at 1. 6%. That gives them a better idea of how many actual cases versus known cases. It also makes your claim of "herd immunity" even less plausible, as they are aggressively testing for antibodies in order to track down potential outbreaks.
Your "herd immunity" assumption requires at least another 21,000 undetected cases in addition to the 700 detected cases. Even if it only takes 20% to achieve "herd immunity" that requires an additional 6,000 undetected cases, without any of those additional cases resulting in deaths.
You can't have it both ways you dumb fucking swallower. If you have a 10 to 300 times increase in cases, to achieve herd immunity, with only 42 deaths the mortality rate drops down to practically nothing. So which is it? Did San Marino somehow miss 90-97% of their cases to achieve herd immunity? Or is the mortality rate for San Marino actually between 0. 2-0. 6%?
As you clowns constantly do, you pick whatever data point you think supports your position and throw everything at it.
However, San Marino is too small of a population for worldwide statistical modeling. In addition, it's average age is higher than Italy's, although not much. More people in the high risk group means higher mortality rate.
6% for San Marino? New York City had 10%. Stockholm had 10%. Cochabamba, Bolivia 10%. You can't compare San Marino to the US, just as you can't compare Stockholm to the US state of Montana. But since you want to do it, let's go for it.
Stockholm mortality rate 10.32%.
Montana mortality rate 1.46%.
Now go apologize to your parents.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475041]I for one would love to hear how come San Marino was so unlucky to have a death rate twice the one of the US. USA, the country known for their serious health problems among the population. It's so weird that the experts are talking about a mortality rate in the range of 0.2-1.0%, but in San Marino they have a mortality rate of over 6%. That blows my mind.[/QUOTE]The problem with all this mathematical nonsense is that you have to make an assumption that the environment does not matter (it does), the virus does not have more deadly or contagious mutations (it does), and so all the calculations on death are stupid, and here is why.
Every single one of these calculations is based on the virus continuing on the same path it is now and people reacting to it the same way which are the very things that for certain will not happen.
The calculations on herd immunity are based on how contagious the virus is, and the number of deaths are based upon how deadly the virus is. To get an accurate answer is impossible as not only is the virus changing but how people are being treated for it has changed, behaviors have changed, and what age group gets infected may change. The notion that in the USA we need to reach 750,000 deaths to reach herd immunity is mental masturbation.
On top of that, there is some evidence that prior exposure to a corona virus may also confer immunity in which case herd immunity could be achieved at 20% of the population being infected. That was the magic number on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
But I do not know what that number is and the so called experts do not either. At best, you may get so called expert consensus based on shit data.
In this red-blue world, the divide is now between the vaccine and herd immunity which is a false choice. We are going to have live with the virus and re calibrate our policies to reflect what has worked and what has not and make our goals realistic. That is what has bugged me so much. That recalibration is not being done.
I will tell you that Covid has been good to me, and part of this is that I have done the recalibration in my personal life. What does it say about that fucker Fauci being at a ball game without a mask on? I will tell you this. I have been doing similar things, but I am not getting paid to be a public expert. What Fauci was doing was totally safe. He just does not have the balls to admit it.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2475301]Unfortunately the lock downs in Colombia have not been as effective as in other Countries as evidenced by the trending numbers to date. Everything is going up like a rocket ship headed to the moon.
Tourism, well it's really a drop in the bucket for Colombia, what needs to happen is for the economy to open back up so the residents can spend money and revive things.[/QUOTE]That is a good point. We can gripe about the travel ban but the lockdown has hurt the Colombian economy far more.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2475301]Unfortunately, if they do so, things will get worse than they are now as evidenced by other Countries and in the USA that have opened up pre-maturely. The lockdowns have been effective in Countries with authoritarian rule, or citizens that abide by them, and have been less effective in third world countries.[/QUOTE]Nah. I get why you would think that though. That is the old explanation based on old data. It is an explanation that benefits the libtards and Demorats wanting to get Trump out of office where government policy is all that matters with spread of the virus. To be sure, Trump and people under him have made mistakes, but that is only part of the reason for the viral spread.
There is a much more infectious mutation, and it is just one of them: [URL]https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/[/URL].
Mutated COVID-19 Viral Strain in USA And Europe 10 Times More Contagious than Original Strain.
Then you look at this much more detailed report: [URL]https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.01800/full[/URL]#F4.
Generally, the G and GR clades are prevalently present in Europe, while the clade S and GH have been mostly observed in the Americas (Figure 4). The "L" reference clade is mostly represented by sequences from Asia.
It is interesting to note that Asia, initially characterized by reference sequences, is currently observing a rise in G, GH, and GR genomes, which gained ground in the continent at the beginning of March 2020, more than 1 month after the appearance of these clades in Europe.
Here is a link to figure showing the various clades of virus based on location: [URL]https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/555497/fmicb-11-01800-HTML/image_m/fmicb-11-01800-g005.jpg[/URL].
So I get what you are saying. You look at China and a lesser degree Europe and say, "Hey, lock downs work. " but then you look at the Americas, and they have not. The explanation is that people in the Americas are lazy, non compliant dumb asses when in reality, the virus mutated, and the experts do not want to admit they fucked up with the advice they gave.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475037]Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest.[/QUOTE]Myself and others have pointed out the slew of fallacies employed by Elvirus, most prominently goal posts shifts, non-sequitors, and strawmen. This Shoobrees though habitually employs the fallacy of the adnaseum or "proof by repetition. " This involves repeating the same claim over and over even though it has been effectively exposed as false. So what do you do? You just put the evidence to the contrary back in their face again. They of course are free to continue ignoring it and lying, nonetheless they have been exposed.
Covid causes more than death. Many suffer long term, debilitating symptoms and permanent damage is possible.
[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/feature...gzy-story.html[/URL]
Though it primarily effects elders the young don't get a pass.
[URL]https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...19-in-florida/[/URL]
[URL]https://fox59.com/news/coronavirus/2...erge-of-death/[/URL]
There's also evidence of serious neurological effects in small children.
[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87378[/URL]
Scroll down and review the CDC data on deaths. Plenty of the 54 and under crowd are effected.
[URL]https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...nd-S/9bhg-hcku[/URL]
There's also plenty of people 60 years old and beyond that enjoy much quality of life, further solidifying the above, sweeping statement as a lie.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2475295]You should be really embarrassed. Well, your parents should be really embarrassed, as I'm certain they are.
If you had bothered to read the link you would have noted. Sorry. A person with an IQ over 75 would have noted that San Marino has tested 5. 6% of their population, much more than any other European country. The next closest is Italy at 1. 6%. That gives them a better idea of how many actual cases versus known cases. It also makes your claim of "herd immunity" even less plausible, as they are aggressively testing for antibodies in order to track down potential outbreaks.
Your "herd immunity" assumption requires at least another 21,000 undetected cases in addition to the 700 detected cases. Even if it only takes 20% to achieve "herd immunity" that requires an additional 6,000 undetected cases, without any of those additional cases resulting in deaths.
You can't have it both ways you dumb fucking swallower. If you have a 10 to 300 times increase in cases, to achieve herd immunity, with only 42 deaths the mortality rate drops down to practically nothing. So which is it? Did San Marino somehow miss 90-97% of their cases to achieve herd immunity? Or is the mortality rate for San Marino actually between 0. 2-0. 6%?.[/QUOTE]If you test 5. 6% you can never find out if more than 5. 6% of the population have been infected. Pretty obvious to me. To find the total number of infected you have to test for T-cells and antibodies as well. Given the number of deaths and the 0. 2% IFR predicted by the CDC it's easy to calculate that approximately 60% of the population in San Marino been infected of the virus. The known COVID-19 cases are only the tip of the iceberg. The threshold of herd immunity is unknown but not unlikely around 40% of the population.
I'm laughing my ass of since the experts and I have understood for a long time that the actual IFR is 0. 2-1. 0%, not 6-10% as you seem to believe. You are the perfect poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Your insults are pure compliments.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2475286]Why can't any of you stupid fucks do basic math? Seriously? I sort of understand it from the US, because the country has been embracing ignorance as a virtue for decades, but I thought Europe was better.
Using your numbers, because I don't want to put any extra strain on the 9 pissants you're using in lieu of a brain, 660,000 additional deaths would be an increase in the annual number of deaths of more than 20%. Put in perspective, that's a huge fucking jump. Even the 200,000 which currently looks unavoidable for the US represents a 7% increase in number of deaths.
Another question. Why can't any of you stupid fucks understand that nobody is "sacrificing the economy?" During a global pandemic, especially one of this magnitude, the economy is going to suffer. Whether you do nothing, or you take extreme measures, the economy is going to take a hit. The question is:
Is it better to put the economy on pause for 12 weeks, while you get a handle on the spread of disease, or is it better to let the disease run it's course and let the economy suffer indefinitely?
My belief is that a 12 week shutdown, followed by an extended period of mandated mask usage, represents a manageable, and more importantly predictable, retraction of the economy.[/QUOTE]The poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger Effect strikes again! You haven't understood a first thing about what I wrote. You truly are a demagogue. Have you ever heard of the exceptions to the rule? You choosing to present extreme statistical outliers only strengthen my point. As far as I know both Trump and Bolsonaro are alive and well. Why? Because the virus only kills the weakest.
I live my life as normal, if I die I die. There are no special rules for me. If someone dies because I live my life as normal, then it's meant to be.
That you haven't heard anything about Germans struggling is only because you're ignorant.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2475329]Nah. I get why you would think that though. That is the old explanation based on old data. It is an explanation that benefits the libtards and Demorats wanting to get Trump out of office where government policy is all that matters with spread of the virus. To be sure, Trump and people under him have made mistakes, but that is only part of the reason for the viral spread.
So I get what you are saying. You look at China and a lesser degree Europe and say, "Hey, lock downs work. " but then you look at the Americas, and they have not. The explanation is that people in the Americas are lazy, non compliant dumb asses when in reality, the virus mutated, and the experts do not want to admit they fucked up with the advice they gave.[/QUOTE]This makes no sense at all. Unless the mutation involves the virus growing legs and opening doors, then there is no way for it to come from you in your house to me in my house usurping a lockdown. Good thing for me is that I lived under the old data in Thailand where the lockdown and mask wearing worked to eradicate the virus here with only 58 deaths and no need to sacrifice people in the name of the economy, regardless of how healthy or unhealthy they are.
This is a world of 195 countires. Not all of them revolve around libtards, Demorats, or Trump, yet many still are having problems with the virus.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475037]For each corona related death over a hundred lost their jobs. That's extreme. Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. [/QUOTE]Sounds pretty simple and bright until it hits home and you have a friend the same age that died from the virus last week leaving behind small kids. I am sure my buddy and his wife and kids would have much rather he lost his job (which he did not) than his life. You can live without a job. You don't have to worry about having a job if you are dead.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475540]Sounds pretty simple and bright until it hits home and you have a friend the same age that died from the virus last week leaving behind small kids. I am sure my buddy and his wife and kids would have much rather he lost his job (which he did not) than his life. You can live without a job. You don't have to worry about having a job if you are dead.[/QUOTE]A dear colleague passed away last week in Singapore. He died in cancer, if we had more routine check ups for cancer he probably would have been alive today. Does that mean that I want to turn the world upside down to ensure a monthly check for cancer? No. He died, it's tragic for his family and friends. I sure do mourn his death. People die, that's life. People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? No.
Your friend could just as well have died in a traffic accident.
A person losing his job might just as well wind up committing suicide.
I don't want to ban cars because there's a traffic accident and I don't support lockdowns because some weak mf: er couldn't handle the virus.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475339]Myself and others have pointed out the slew of fallacies employed by Elvirus, most prominently goal posts shifts, non-sequitors, and strawmen. This Shoobrees though habitually employs the fallacy of the adnaseum or "proof by repetition. " This involves repeating the same claim over and over even though it has been effectively exposed as false. So what do you do? You just put the evidence to the contrary back in their face again. They of course are free to continue ignoring it and lying, nonetheless they have been exposed.
Covid causes more than death. Many suffer long term, debilitating symptoms and permanent damage is possible..[/QUOTE]Oh gosh, you truly don't have any real arguments, you only have your lies. Nothing that I wrote has been proven wrong.
It's ridiculous that you don't understand how this virus works and who are dying. It's mainly old people in nursing homes that can't take care of themselves. To me people that can't take care of themselves are not worth as much as others. If you're 60+ you can easily self quarantine, problem solved. There's no need for people under 50 to be locked up. Each man for himself. If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise.
You present statistically outliers that are not interesting when looking at the bigger picture.
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I'd like to add.
Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475581]Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.[/QUOTE]Haha, you obviously don't know what a lie is. To have a different opinion than you isn't to lie. I notice that you lack self awareness, I'm not surprised. Maybe you should check your own posts, no doubt the world would be a better place without you and you would be missed by no one.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]Oh gosh, you truly don't have any real arguments, you only have your lies. Nothing that I wrote has been proven wrong.
It's ridiculous that you don't understand how this virus works and who are dying. It's mainly old people in nursing homes that can't take care of themselves. To me people that can't take care of themselves are not worth as much as others. If you're 60+ you can easily self quarantine, problem solved. There's no need for people under 50 to be locked up. Each man for himself. If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise.
You present statistically outliers that are not interesting when looking at the bigger picture.[/QUOTE]Yo twerp, hardly statistical outliers when less than 50% of Covid deaths are nursing home related. 12,065 of the approximately 150,000 deaths in the US as of August 8th were of people under the age of 54. See attachment. Most of the rest were not in nursing homes and enjoyed quality of life. Covid also is known to cause a long term syndrome involving muliple organs in many survivors that may at times be permanent. Studies have also exposed neurological deficits in some small children. This once again overwhelmingly refutes this prior asinine statement from you.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]Furthermore, the ones dying aren't the ones with bright futures ahead. It's the ones with no future, it's the weak and old that have lived their lives and are now getting ready for their final rest. [/QUOTE]You've also employed a strawman. No one is suggesting that anyone be locked up but that reasonable practices are implemented, masks, social distancing, widespread testing and contact tracing, all of which have been demontrated as highly effective many places.
And this:
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475573]If you want to preach solidarity maybe you should stop using desperate ladies that would never give you a second of their time otherwise. [/QUOTE]LOLOL Now Now. What an onery little wuss we have here. Preaching on a monger board against using legal prostitution. What's the matter? Obviously getting caught lying time and again doesn't sit well with you. Nor did it when it was called to your attention that you and your country sacrificed 5000+ lives, 11 times the per capita death rate of your neighbor Norway in a failed, foolish experment.
Lasty, fallacies employed by the boy in this post:
Ad nauseam, by repeating the same false assertions over and over even though they have been repeatedly, effectively rebutted.
Strawman, when he talks about people being "locked up" when that isn't the recommendation, outside of some temporary quarantines with restricted movements in some hard hit places.
And ad hominem, attacking his opponent in a monger forum for enjoying hookers which has nothing to do with this Covid-19 discussion.
Logical fallacies, you and Elvirus have it going on. Such are the only refuge for the ill-educated and / or those that want to keep arguing long after their position has been destroyed.
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ME, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot believe the virus is spread by droplets and then support Fauci and his hand washing decrees and his call for not wearing masks. If that does not make sense to you, then you do not understand the two thought processes of how the virus is spread.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475538]Good thing for me is that I lived under the old data in Thailand where the lockdown and mask wearing worked to eradicate the virus here with only 58 deaths and no need to sacrifice people in the name of the economy, regardless of how healthy or unhealthy they are.[/QUOTE]Eradicated? It is more like slowed the spread of the least infectious variant of the virus. The virus raging through India is a more infectious mutation and to me it coming to Thailand is just a matter of time.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475581]Habitually lying day after day for months in a monger forum, like Elvirus and Shoobree, is certainly at least as sad an existence as someone vegging out in a nursing home watching TV but can't his shoes. Yet no one is calling for these losers to be purged from the earth. For that they should feel fortunate.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I can see for someone like you Mr. New York New York that it would be lying. Anyone who disagrees with you is lying, involved in irrational fantasies ETC. It is not like you engage in logical fallacies. "You want Colombia to open up so you can get cheap pussy."
Zero Hedge linked this article from the UK telegraph: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-hit-rare-covid-triple-whammy-no-lockdowns-low-deaths-minimal-economic-damage[/URL].
Out of the three options, Sweden took option 2 while most of the rest of the world took a variant of option 3.
Of course, to you, taking option 2 was complete and other failure. It is too bad that some of the people of the UK disagree with you.
Thing is an article like this could never be written in the USA. Such an article would be tossed in the trash in the USA and claimed to be costing lives, the author stupid ETC. It is funny to losers like you New York New York think that descent equals stupidity.
It is funny how New York New York, you never comment on JJBee's logical missteps: attacking the source instead of disproving the facts, making bold mathematical statements based on estimated data, every time Fauci is quoted the context is off, and the ad hominem attacks. In fact, here you are engaging in the same ad hominem type attack.
Of course, that IS the Demorat libtard way. Nothing is illogical if you are attacking the Republican POV. Most Republicans I know want a variant of option 2. Most Demorats want option 3 not because it saves more lives but because IMO destroying the economy gets rid of Trump.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475566]People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? No.[/QUOTE]These modes of transportation have also developed safety standards in order to curtail injuries and death that nobody is arguing with. Nobody is running around talking about fuck those seat belts, fuck that bolt that is holding the wing on, fuck that ABS the way they are talking about fuck those masks and fuck distancing and fuck people that may not be as healthy or young as others. The way you talk they should have let the Boeing 737 Max keep flying around and may the fittest people survive the crashes because we would not want Boeing employees to lose jobs and kill themselves.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2475566] People die, that's life. People die in traffic accidents, does it mean that I want ban all cars, trains and airplanes? [/QUOTE]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.
Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475679]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.
Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL][/QUOTE]As usual you got it wrong, and the logical fallacy are you standing for.
It's pathetic that you don't have any real arguments. You really live up to the repetition you Americans have across the world.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2475665]These modes of transportation have also developed safety standards in order to curtail injuries and death that nobody is arguing with. Nobody is running around talking about fuck those seat belts, fuck that bolt that is holding the wing on, fuck that ABS the way they are talking about fuck those masks and fuck distancing and fuck people that may not be as healthy or young as others. The way you talk they should have let the Boeing 737 Max keep flying around and may the fittest people survive the crashes because we would not want Boeing employees to lose jobs and kill themselves.[/QUOTE]But people still die in large scales despite these measures, yet we don't ban cars, trains nor planes.
So no one are exceeding the speed limits, thank you for the laugh. A lockdown is the equivalent of banning cars.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2475679]Yet another logical fallacy, and a glaring one that MrE well exposed in post #521.
Add False Analogy to the list. It's getting long.
[URL]https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850[/URL][/QUOTE]Really? How is a comparison to risks and benefits a false analogy?
Oh, I forgot. To a pompous ass like you New York New York who knows everything there is to know about a brand new virus and what is best for everyone, it would be a false analogy but to the rest of who are still uncertain about what works and what does not, it is an apt analogy.
When I quote Fauci being dead wrong about something, that is not illogical thinking, that is taking him out of context.
When scientists change the number on the percentage required for herd immunity, that is not moving the goal posts. No, only I do that.
You presented a Yale study but their projections were dead wrong. The response to their being wrong was, Peru and Peruvians suck, which you called well reasoned.
You are not objective and logical New York New York. You are one of the most arrogant and subjective people I have known on line and in real life. Anyone who shares your point of view is well reasoned. Anyone against it is stupid, a typical Demorat trait; all Republicans are stupid!
You remind of a fat woman I saw on a bike at the gym with the sweat oozing out of every pore of her body. What oozes off of you is not sweat but arrogance, and you make her look good in comparison. How is that for a false analogy?
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New York is a success
Run by someone showing real leadership!
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/gov-cuomos-controversial-order-requiring-nursing-homes-to-admit-covid-19-patients-was-reportedly-removed-from-new-yorks-health-website/ar-BB14GiNL[/URL]
Gov. Andrew Cuomo's March 25 order that required nursing homes to admit patients who were suspected to have or had tested positive for COVID-19 has been deleted from the state of New York's website, Fox News reported Tuesday.
JJBirdbrain and Paulie, Mr. New York New York respond, "Oh Fox News? Pfft!
It was the single dumbest decision anyone could make if they wanted to kill people," Daniel Arbeeny, whose 88-year-old father died of COVID-19 after he removed him from a Brooklyn nursing facility, told the Associated Press.
Or in Mr. New York New York's POV, it was brilliant.
As the AP reported, Cuomo reportedly ordered over 4,300 recovering COVID-19 patients to be sent to nursing homes. At least 5,800 people have died of COVID-19 in New York State nursing homes or adult care facilities.
And here we have why Mr. New York New York on the proper way of accepting responsibility.
"New York followed the president's agencies' guidance," Cuomo said during a press conference on Saturday. "What New York did was follow what the Republican Administration said to do. That's not my attempt to politicize it. It's my attempt to depoliticize it. So don't criticize the state for following the president's policy. ".
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2479727]The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.
The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.[/QUOTE]This minister sounds like Baldrick from Black Adder. He has a cunning plan. In order to ensure the safety of our already heavily infected population we will be opening our borders to countries with endemic levels of COVID-19. It's a cunning plan indeed.
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Blakman,
Your update is almost a week old. Did you factor any of this in before you posted that you decided you would not come due to perceived risks?
[QUOTE=Blakman;2479727]The Ministry of Health, however, stated on Tuesday, that "conditions no longer warrant the closure of international flights to and from the large capitals of the country. : And having given the green light for airlines to relaunch international routes, the Ministry claims that "it is unlikely" that inbound passengers will increase the risk of coronavirus transmission.
The first countries that have been approved for arrivals and departures are Chile, Panama, USA, Ecuador and Peru.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2479808]My ticket is purchased for end of September, so deep down I am rooting for sjob to get in LOL. My daughter says I am impulsive so maybe it was impulsive reaction LOL.
.[/QUOTE]You are not bringing her to Medellin with you, right?
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Really you ask that question
Dude. You must be a trump voter
[quote=blackpage;2479851]you are not bringing her to medellin with you, right?[/quote].
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2479854]Dude. You must be a trump voter.[/QUOTE]I take it as a "NO, NEVER".
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Covid Testing
It seems likely travelers will need to present proof of a negative Covid test shortly before flying.
Does anyone have more info on this? Any idea of what that proof will need to look like?
Surely a text message from your free Covid testing center at the park will not be sufficient.
Any good ideas?
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2479746]This minister sounds like Baldrick from Black Adder. He has a cunning plan. In order to ensure the safety of our already heavily infected population we will be opening our borders to countries with endemic levels of COVID-19. It's a cunning plan indeed.[/QUOTE]Well why would that be a cunning plan? It makes no sense to keep the borders closed. If there is testing on arrival or before departure, and you make it a requirement to have health insurance what more would you expect? After 6 months, assuming 10 x the actual number of confirmed cases have the virus. There is literally no reason to keep borders closed. If you feel uncomfortable, stay at home and wear a mask 24/7. Peru has had their borders closed and lockdowns for how many months now? Today they see the highest fatality rates, proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable. Look at Argentina and Panama that did the same thing, cases skyrocketing while thinking that keeping things closed along with borders would help. Nope, not even close. When most cases are found to be people with no symptoms, or very mild symptoms the justification to keep borders closed looks more silly with each week that passes. Well done to the Colombian government for at least sticking to a timeline which is a surprise, I am sure that this will help the economy get back on its feet albeit slowly, there won't be any significant case rise nor deaths, and the general sentiment I get from Colombian colleagues is they just want to move forward from this as it has been mentally draining and created more problems for them, their family and their economy. Can't let the supposed cure be worse than the disease itself, which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.
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Why do you say "it seems likely"? On what do you base that statement? Thank you in advance for any information to which we can respond. Meanwhile, I can share that as of this morning there are no Colombia immigration or presidential statements or guidelines on the subject. This is why I am curious about your statement.
[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2479974]It seems likely travelers will need to present proof of a negative Covid test shortly before flying.
Does anyone have more info on this? Any idea of what that proof will need to look like?
Surely a text message from your free Covid testing center at the park will not be sufficient.
Any good ideas?[/QUOTE]
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It's official
I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.
[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL]
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Excuse me if I am harsh, but what is the point of exhibiting very basic ignorance on a topic, shameless or even proud? I do not try to lecture anyone on Theory of Harmony, even if when I was teen I enjoyed strumming chords on my guitar.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998] It makes no sense to keep the borders closed. There is literally no reason to keep borders closed.[/QUOTE]Even if you ignore it and do not see the reason, the basics of Epidemiology (a branch of math Control Theory) show the effect of people mobility on the spreading. It's math, not an opinion.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable.[/QUOTE]Not only delay the inevitable. Reduce the consequences.
You miss the difference between reaching 10 millions of infected in few months or in several years. Ever heard the "flattening the curve" thing?
Besides the hope we all have that an effective vaccine will be found, sooner or later, there is a difference for any country between having 100,000 or 1,000,000 persons in need of oxygen bottles and having few hundreds in such condition.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998] which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.[/QUOTE]It is frankly incredible that there is still people believing and spreading this hoax. Someone likes to consider wishful thinking as reality, mainly to reassure themselves, but sooner or later true reality comes and knocks at the door.
The virus is the same. The fact that today in some countries (I look at Europe) there are less people in intensive care than in March is not that the virus has a sweeter heart, but a simple matter of math ratios. Today there is less people infected than in March or April.
At that time, in Europe we were overwhelmed and underestimating the number of infected by a factor 5 or even 10, who knows. Today, more tests mean more rapid response and detection. In addition, more youngsters get infected, mainly because they are / were not afraid and forgot to be cautious. This mean less severe consequences, but also easier spreading from now on (youngsters live in homes with elders).
I have a colleague who moved from Europe to stay with his family in Bangalore and he is desperate to see 2 members of his family to die, and they are not poor. They can afford best hospitals. The virus is the same and does its work: replicate. We cannot extinguish it, unless we can close everyone everywhere at home for 1 year, but we can slow it down and make consequences bearable (yes, to allow also some to think that "the virus is not the same anymore", like seasons).
I write all this not to convince you (I would not try even with Flat-Earthers), but because I attempt to contrast the spreading of hoaxes.
Last but not least: why don't we all just write about pussy, on which we all have some real experience to tell others, instead of venturing into Unknown Lands to debate what is out of topic and we don't know?
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[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]Can't let the supposed cure be worse than the disease itself, which has mutated into a virus with very mild symptoms of any. Positivity for the win.[/QUOTE]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.
I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.
Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2480034]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.
I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.
Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.[/QUOTE]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.
Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.
Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL. What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison.
As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. But now what? For those that still want everything shutterer indefinitely, what are we waiting for? A vaccine that may never come? Better therapeutics? Because God knows if a therapeutic is promoted, it better be endorsed by your chosen political party. If we should stay on lock down, my question is until when?
Both sides of this argument spin numbers and statistics but everyone agrees this highly contagious virus has spread far beyond what we know. Asymptomatic carriers FAR outnumber those known cases. What that means is infection rates are worthless. Asymptomatic carriers are more often than not, never tested. So no one knows infection rates. Let alone testing rates. Hell, even causes of deaths have proven unreliable or even fraudulent.
So all we are left with is common sense. Let's assume the 188 K figure is accurate. Do you know what percentage of the population that is? One death sucks. I appreciate how callous I sound. But what is the end game? Even if you ignore the countless lives destroyed by the shut down, what are we waiting for?
Understand, I do not begrudge anyone their opinion. The other thing I learned is the power of fear. But as YippieKayay stated, we can all stay at home. But shutting down the global economy for a hope, well, that's just not a viable strategy. Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown. The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.
Rant over.
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[QUOTE=Puntz79;2479998]There is literally no reason to keep borders closed. If you feel uncomfortable, stay at home and wear a mask 24/7. Peru has had their borders closed and lockdowns for how many months now? Today they see the highest fatality rates, proving once again that lockdowns are useless and only delay the inevitable. [/QUOTE]Spoken just like someone that wants to go somewhere they can't. Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There has been no case here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. When Thai people are returning home they get bussed from the airport to certain quarantine hotels where they must stay for 14 days and be tested 3 times (not just show a phony photoshopped test at the airport - yes I have buddies doing that in Dominican Republic). Maybe some countries are just not doing their distancing and quarantine shit right. I am happy to be in one where they did.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.
Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.
Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL. What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison.
As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. But now what? For those that still want everything shutterer indefinitely, what are we waiting for? A vaccine that may never come? Better therapeutics? Because God knows if a therapeutic is promoted, it better be endorsed by your chosen political party. If we should stay on lock down, my question is until when?
Both sides of this argument spin numbers and statistics but everyone agrees this highly contagious virus has spread far beyond what we know. Asymptomatic carriers FAR outnumber those known cases. What that means is infection rates are worthless. Asymptomatic carriers are more often than not, never tested. So no one knows infection rates. Let alone testing rates. Hell, even causes of deaths have proven unreliable or even fraudulent.
So all we are left with is common sense. Let's assume the 188 K figure is accurate. Do you know what percentage of the population that is? One death sucks. I appreciate how callous I sound. But what is the end game? Even if you ignore the countless lives destroyed by the shut down, what are we waiting for?.[/QUOTE]And you are right.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]Forgive me, YippieKayay because while I am replying to you, it is in no way directed only at you.
Is there anything more exhausting than reading everyone's expert opinion on COVID? All I have learned is that every pervert on these boards is an expert in the communicable disease field.
Far be it from me to leave my expert opinion out. LOL [/QUOTE]Then you go on to lay out the same tired Fox News crowd party line that has been rebutted repeatedly over several months in the other thread, the one dedicated to off topic discussions. One should not feel obligated to go through it all over again for each monger that parachutes in.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]What in the hell does Vietnam have to do with COVID? That is just a pointless comparison. [/QUOTE]If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.
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[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2480034]Let's do some numbers at scale here. Between 1955 and 1975 282,000 US and allied service personnel were killed in the Vietnam war. Today the confirmed death toll in the US from COVID-19 is 188,000 which has occurred over approximately six months. Let that sink in for a moment. By the end of the year this pandemic would have caused more death in the US to every day citizens than it did to military personnel over a twenty year period. Again, let that sink in. Think about all the brothers, sons, sisters, mothers who have died in the last six months.
I'm staying out of countries that aren't taking this pandemic seriously. I like breathing.
Have a good day sir, and I hope you stay safe and healthy.[/QUOTE]And how many of those 188,000 had other serious illnesses, in addition to advanced and extreme advanced age?
Obviously, when someone close to you dies, it's terrible. No matter their age or what they succumbed to. But comparing these deaths to deaths in Vietnam, which were mostly young men who hadn't reached the prime of their lives is absurd. Yes, I know there have been reports of young, apparently healthy people dying from Covid, but they are a tiny percentage of the total numbers.
FWIW, I reserve the right to change my opinion of this. There are way too many unknowns at this time to not be flexible in mindset. I also have thus far been very strict with my mask-wearing and social distancing. I have effectively been in "sex prison" of my own choice for almost six months now. Therefore, I cringe every time a read a fellow hobbyist criticize country X's Covid response/policy, and then read about that person boning multiple chicas in Colombia, Brasil, DR, etc. If you talk tough about restrictive social distancing, yet you are actively practicing our hobby, you're a hypocrite.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2480052]... Now tell us how the lockdowns and border closure in Thailand proved useless and delayed the inevitable. There has been no case here in over 90 days after everyone did what they were supposed to. ...[/QUOTE]Maybe you meant to say no deaths in the last 90 days. There have been 330 new cases reported.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]But as YippieKayay stated, we can all stay at home. But shutting down the global economy for a hope, well, that's just not a viable strategy.The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.
Rant over.[/QUOTE]That is a good rant. Thing is that Colombia is opening back up and these guys want to make excuses for not going which is fine.
Thailand has no new cases? The virus has not mutated? Movement is dangerous? Staying home in your apartment is safe? Whatever. I know people who were afraid to go to Colombia before the virus. If people want to believe things are crazy dangerous in Colombia, have at it. I was just hoping those in the Colombian government would tune out the WHO and Fauci the flip flopper and look at data on their own, and they have.
Outside of the travel bans, Covid has been good for me personally, and it looks like those bans are finally over with as well. I have gotten the attention of quality women that I would have likely never met pre Covid.
To me, a better question with regards to going to Colombia is what to do once we get there. I have my chicas all lined up and am wondering if I stick with them or look elsewhere. Routard said that the restaurants in hotels in Bogota have been allowed to be opened up while others have restrictions on capacity. Outside of eating and drinking and fucking and watching Netflix, I am wondering what there is to do. In Mexico City, hotel gyms were closed but they were open in the all inclusive resorts in Cancun. Two of my chicas just hit me up for dental procedures so I see that the dentists are open.
What surprised me is how many of the things in group settings I have missed: shows, concerts, bars, sporting events. The best and most normal time I have had so far has been going to the all inclusive on the beach in Mexico. There they had bands and outdoor venues to party at, and I was able to get a jet ski and cruise around which was fun. I think there has been so much deprivation when it comes to fun.
Outside of eating, drinking, fucking, and Netflix, what fun things are you guys doing in Medellin? I have read the beaches in Cartagena are opening up. Should I take my Medellin ladies there or stay in the city?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480085]If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. May I direct your attention to post #39073. You know, the one I replied to that mentioned Vietnam. But perhaps paying attention is the issue after all.
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[QUOTE=Combo;2480090]And how many of those 188,000 had other serious illnesses, in addition to advanced and extreme advanced age?
Obviously, when someone close to you dies, it's terrible. No matter their age or what they succumbed to. But comparing these deaths to deaths in Vietnam, which were mostly young men who hadn't reached the prime of their lives is absurd. Yes, I know there have been reports of young, apparently healthy people dying from Covid, but they are a tiny percentage of the total numbers.
FWIW, I reserve the right to change my opinion of this. There are way too many unknowns at this time to not be flexible in mindset. I also have thus far been very strict with my mask-wearing and social distancing. I have effectively been in "sex prison" of my own choice for almost six months now. Therefore, I cringe every time a read a fellow hobbyist criticize country X's Covid response/policy, and then read about that person boning multiple chicas in Colombia, Brasil, DR, etc. If you talk tough about restrictive social distancing, yet you are actively practicing our hobby, you're a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]So many great points made in this post. First and foremost, we don't know nearly enough about this disease. Virtually every worldwide health organization has changed their guidance multiple times in the last 6 months. We all make our decisions based on our educated opinions. But I think the forever shutdown crowd is primarily driven by fear and a need to feel a bit of control. Despite all of the alleged expertise we all claim, the fact is this is a new virus we don't know well.
As I said before, each side of the argument massages the statistics to aid their argument. So I take it all with a grain of salt. But it is safe to believe that am extremely high percentage of these COVID deaths have one or more co-morbidities. That must also factor into one's decision. But the flip side of that is that we should also take comfort that the healthy population is not at any high risk even if they are infected.
Lastly, another great point is the hypocrisy in our community. I say this to no one in particular. Those of you swearing off the hobby for now and sticking to social distancing, masks, etc. I admire that. Me? I've adopted the die on my feet instead of live on my knees mentality. I've done most of what I shouldn't. I've been on a plane every few weeks. I've gone to other countries and had my fun. Typical stupid stuff. And I've been fortunate. I'm thankful now that tests are available. I frequently get tested for STDs and thankfully have always come up clean. I now pay $30 for a COVID test fairly often. Not because I worry about my own safety but because I do not want to spread it if I do ever come down with it. I'm expecting my latest results tomorrow. I say all of this not to promote what I'm doing as smart. But we all play in a game that has an element of danger when it comes to communicable disease. Even if you play very safe, we are still at risk. And we all have our own risk profiles. But if you are out there banging hookers and then pointing fingers, just don't.
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[QUOTE=SJobs;2480014]I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.
[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, I am praying for you to make it over there soon!
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What happened to this Board
Whatever happened to this Board and the discussion of services, tips and tricks. Now it just sounds like everyone is a scientist. I think the real issue here is everyone is stressed bc they haven't been inside some sweet colombianas in a while. It will all end soon fellas.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2480085]Then you go on to lay out the same tired Fox News crowd party line that has been rebutted repeatedly over several months in the other thread, the one dedicated to off topic discussions. One should not feel obligated to go through it all over again for each monger that parachutes in.
If you mean Thailand then Mr E well established the relevance. Anyone who missed it just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Hey, New York, New York, your ploy of blaming Trump for the virus spreading is not working anymore. I guess you have time now from your Wisconsin trip to start posting again. How many cars did you set on fire? Don't worry though. The NY Times is at it again.
"Here's a jarring thought experiment: If the United States had done merely an average job of fighting the coronavirus — if the USA Accounted for the same share of virus deaths as it did global population — how many fewer Americans would have died?
The answer: about 145,000.
That's a large majority of the country's 183,000 confirmed coronavirus-related deaths.
No other country looks as bad by this measure. The USA Accounts for 4 percent of the world's population, and for 22 percent of confirmed Covid-19 deaths. It is one of the many signs that the Trump administration has done a poorer job of controlling the virus than dozens of other governments around the world. ".
Yep, if Trump voters were not so stupid and HRC was president, 183,000 lives would have been saved!
Of course, we can flip that around and take the death rate in New York where the Democratic governor showing real leadership presided over things. Let's do the math shall we? New York has had 468,000 cases of Covid and 33,000 deaths. You divide 468,000 by 33,000 and multiply by 100, and you get a 7. 1% death rate, and you New York New York are proud of those stats.
Now let us take the number of total USA Cases: 6. 25 million and times it by 7. 1% and you get 440,000. So according to my math, if a Democrat were in charge as opposed to Trump, we would have had 440,000 deaths as opposed to 190,000.
So Trump being in office means 250,000 lives were saved!
So what is next with you Democratic dipshits? Are you going to look at traffic accidents, cancer cases, and heart attacks with regards to Democrats and Republicans too?
All I wanted was for the Colombian government to know how full of shit you Democrats, the WHO, and flip flop Fauci were, and it looks like they finally woke up!! All I can say is Thank God.
How the fuck did a virus spreading become so political? Now with the hysteria dying down, you can try going back to convincing people that Biden is smarter than Trump. Good luck with that! You are going to need it.
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Thank you very much, yes, this is official. Isn't it interesting that one of the very few posts about this with real information is also one of the very shortest posts? Less is more.
[QUOTE=SJobs;2480014]I think this is as official as it gets. The debate and wait is basically over. Hopefully soon, we all can get back to talking about banging 18-year-olds instead of becoming a covid expert and travel media guru.
[URL]https://idm.presidencia.gov.co/prensa/Paginas/En-septiembre-tendremos-pilotos-de-vuelos-internacionales-Presidente-Duque-200830.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2480113]Maybe you meant to say no deaths in the last 90 days. There have been 330 new cases reported.[/QUOTE]The cases reported were from the testing of people being repatriated on inbound flights. There have been no new cases inside of the country for 14 weeks (98 days).
[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1961855/thailand-logs-3-new-covid-imports-monday[/URL]
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480024]Excuse me if I am harsh, but what is the point of exhibiting very basic ignorance on a topic, shameless or even proud? I do not try to lecture anyone on Theory of Harmony, even if when I was teen I enjoyed strumming chords on my guitar.
Even if you ignore it and do not see the reason, the basics of Epidemiology (a branch of math Control Theory) show the effect of people mobility on the spreading. It's math, not an opinion.
Not only delay the inevitable. Reduce the consequences.
You miss the difference between reaching 10 millions of infected in few months or in several years. Ever heard the "flattening the curve" thing?
Besides the hope we all have that an effective vaccine will be found, sooner or later, there is a difference for any country between having 100,000 or 1,000,000 persons in need of oxygen bottles and having few hundreds in such condition.
It is frankly incredible that there is still people believing and spreading this hoax. Someone likes to consider wishful thinking as reality, mainly to reassure themselves, but sooner or later true reality comes and knocks at the door.
The virus is the same. The fact that today in some countries (I look at Europe) there are less people in intensive care than in March is not that the virus has a sweeter heart, but a simple matter of math ratios. Today there is less people infected than in March or April.
At that time, in Europe we were overwhelmed and underestimating the number of infected by a factor 5 or even 10, who knows. Today, more tests mean more rapid response and detection. In addition, more youngsters get infected, mainly because they are / were not afraid and forgot to be cautious. This mean less severe consequences, but also easier spreading from now on (youngsters live in homes with elders).
I have a colleague who moved from Europe to stay with his family in Bangalore and he is desperate to see 2 members of his family to die, and they are not poor. They can afford best hospitals. The virus is the same and does its work: replicate. We cannot extinguish it, unless we can close everyone everywhere at home for 1 year, but we can slow it down and make consequences bearable (yes, to allow also some to think that "the virus is not the same anymore", like seasons).
I write all this not to convince you (I would not try even with Flat-Earthers), but because I attempt to contrast the spreading of hoaxes.
Last but not least: why don't we all just write about pussy, on which we all have some real experience to tell others, instead of venturing into Unknown Lands to debate what is out of topic and we don't know?[/QUOTE]Probably not a good idea to say all that and then end with let's change the subject rather than something we don't know.
First, I don't say anywhere there's a hoax. The virus is real, but there has been a major overreaction. Sweden handled this well and is now drawing the praise of the WHO, they didn't protect their elderly early enough and that accounts for most of their deaths. The rest, life continued and resembled normality with exceptions here and there.
Different strains of the virus were found in different parts. Some were more deadly than others. The good news if anything, they did what viruses typically do and that's mutate. Many times a mutation will result in a more infectious virus but with much milder symptoms. This is not a bad thing, there has been some expectation that this mutated to what would be a common cold. This is nothing unusual, nor is it a hoax. It's just reality. It may mutate to the point where a vaccine is not even needed, think of previous viruses in the last 20 years and this is more than often the case.
Lockdowns do not work, again. There is absolutely nothing that indicates they have been successful. They were used to slow the spread, which is fine. In the US however "slow the spread" is no longer mentioned, it's more the rising cases or deaths. Both of which have been falling and / or plateaued. The lockdown just slows down the inevitable which is more healthier people being infected and rescuing a burnout stage, which is what happened in the sun Belt states and New York. It's important for the country to reach that, while protecting the old and vulnerable. This way deaths are minimized and it goes through the healthier population which has only mild symptoms and recover very easily. Those I know who have tested positive half of them are asymptomatic and the other half very mild symptoms that are no different from the flu. Again in the healthier population this is not an issue. With lockdowns comes kisses cancer screenings, elective surgeries that go missed or delayed, increase in depression and suicide. They cause economic hardships and can even ruin lives. If we remember "flatten the curve" then surely we remember "the cure cannot be worse than the disease. ".
In the end, Colombia made the right decision and history will show this. If someone doesn't feel comfortable traveling then by all means stay at home until you do change your mind or something happens such as a vaccine. This topic can go on and on.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480129]Lastly, another great point is the hypocrisy in our community. I say this to no one in particular. Those of you swearing off the hobby for now and sticking to social distancing, masks, etc. I admire that. Me? I've adopted the die on my feet instead of live on my knees mentality. I've done most of what I shouldn't. I've been on a plane every few weeks. I've gone to other countries and had my fun. Typical stupid stuff. And I've been fortunate. I'm thankful now that tests are available. Even if you play very safe, we are still at risk. And we all have our own risk profiles. But if you are out there banging hookers and then pointing fingers, just don't.[/QUOTE]If you believe in asymptomatic spread of the virus I would agree with you. Thing is that this is what WHO's technical lead on Covid said: Monday, Van Kerkhove noted that when health officials review cases that are initially reported to be asymptomatic, "we find out that many have really mild disease. " There are some infected people who are "truly asymptomatic," she said, but countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are "not finding secondary transmission onward" from those cases. "It's very rare," she said.
There is an ensuing uproar right? The dogma of asymptomatic Covid transmission has been breached.
So she responds the next day. Van Kerkhove made it very clear Tuesday that the actual rates of asymptomatic transmission aren't yet known.
Even that statement flies in the face of the dogma. I have read that as many as 40% of all Covid cases came from people who are asymptomatic. Did Van Kerkhove's response the day after refute what she previously said? Nope. That was a non-denial, denial.
You want to call a guy a hypocrite who is fucking some 25 year old running a fever who has body aches and a cough? I am with you.
Now how about calling a guy a hypocrite banging a 25 year old who is running five miles a day, has no symptoms, and is in great health? Are you fucking kidding me? You might as well be worried about getting struck by lightning.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]
As for Black Page's comments about flattening the curve, that was never anything more than a marketing ploy. The very people that created the shutdowns admit the purpose was simply to not overrun the hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc.
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Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown. The concept is a farce. Think about your own town during the shutdown. Were your streets completely vacant? Of course not. So all it did was slow the spread. It did not and cannot stop the spread.[/QUOTE]Once again, I must raise a warning when someone makes a wrong statement based on false information. Please be careful.
1) Flattening the curve.
"Overrun hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. " make more people to die. The percentage of patients who die is not a constant, independent of that. If you slow down the spreading of an epidemic, the percentage of persons who die is much lower than if you let the epidemic to expand uncontrolled. Slowing down the spreading means to [U]save lives[/U], not just delaying the inevitable.
The "people that created the shutdown" did not [I]admit[/I] that the purpose was simply the above, but [I]explained[/I] it to those who did not know.
2) "Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown"?
Also false examples: one is Sweden. Don't be fooled and look at the numbers yourself.
Sweden in Europe is widely recognized as the demonstration of an epic fail, besides the opinion of Mr. Puntz, whatever is his authoritativeness in the area. Sweden has reached 575 deaths /1 M population, opposed to the 49 of Norway, 108 of Denmark, 61 of Finland (neighboring countries). 576 is one of the highest in the world, it pairs USA. In Europe, it is lower only to those countries that were overwhelmed before taking effective measures (Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy). And note that Sweden is not Third World. It has one of the best and most efficient systems of Public Health in the world, for everyone, poor and rich.
Did they reach any "herd immunity" in change of this sacrifice? Not at all. The last epidemiological study reported that, based on serological tests, only 10%-15% population have the antibodies. It is not even understood if any "herd immunity" really exists and how long those antibodies protect, but even having 15% of population immune would be nothing.
So, that strategy made Sweden to suffer many deaths that could be avoided. And without achieving the intended goal. It's a huge responsibility to carry for those who took the wrong decision.
It is fine that people can expose personal opinions, including bizarre ones, but claiming false facts to mislead cannot be condoned. I hope everyone is careful in reading.
P.S.: "Were your streets completely vacant? "
I respect your opinion on that, but we should not confuse the validity of a measure with the discipline of people in following it. Forbidding cars to pass with red light save lives, but I agree that it is not effective to avoid any accident at road crosses. Not everyone stops.
[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480043]In the end, Colombia made the right decision and history will show this. [/QUOTE]
Excuse me, I am lost. What is the correct decision?
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480271]Once again, I must raise a warning when someone makes a wrong statement based on false information. Please be careful.
1) Flattening the curve.
"Overrun hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. " make more people to die. The percentage of patients who die is not a constant, independent of that. If you slow down the spreading of an epidemic, the percentage of persons who die is much lower than if you let the epidemic to expand uncontrolled. Slowing down the spreading means to [U]save lives[/U], not just delaying the inevitable.
The "people that created the shutdown" did not [I]admit[/I] that the purpose was simply the above, but [I]explained[/I] it to those who did not know.
2) "Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown"?
Also false examples: one is Sweden. Don't be fooled and look at the numbers yourself.
Sweden in Europe is widely recognized as the demonstration of an epic fail, besides the opinion of Mr. Puntz, whatever is his authoritativeness in the area. Sweden has reached 575 deaths /1 M population, opposed to the 49 of Norway, 108 of Denmark, 61 of Finland (neighboring countries). 576 is one of the highest in the world, it pairs USA. In Europe, it is lower only to those countries that were overwhelmed before taking effective measures (Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy).[/QUOTE]Thank you for your opinions, funny that omitted all the facts.
Speaking of epic fail I would save that judgement for New York, New Jersey, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Belgium, India and so on.
Ireland with their harsh lockdown have one of the highest rates when it comes to deaths per capita in Europe. India had an draconian lockdown, what happened after the lockdown? They saw a rapid spread of COVID-19.
For the rest of the countries that I mentioned, they all have more deaths per capita than Sweden despite their lockdowns which brought their populations into deep poverty.
Not to mention Spain, after the lockdown they had to have more lockdowns! That's what I call epic fail.
It's funny, or not so much since our moronic politicians pay them, how the countries with lockdowns comes to Sweden to beg us for money! For fuck sake, we could probably buy a decent part of Spain for all that money!
In your opinion Spain must have failed miserably since they have a much larger number of deaths per capita than their neighbor Portugal, or maybe it could be that their are other factors in play. You don't know much about Scandinavia, but I do and I understand very well the difference between them. Sweden had much more air traffic to and from Iran and Northern Italy, inparticularly because of our school breaks. But keep voicing your guesses, it's funny to read. Let us here your guess why southern Sweden had less COVID-19 cases&deaths per capita than Copenhagen-area. The lockdowns were a huge mistake. It's unbelievable that some people still defend the biggest political mistake of the 21th century.
Anyways, herd immunity is very much in play in certain areas of Sweden. Have you heard of T-cells? Sweden's numbers are looking great, better than other European countries. The WHO praised the Swedish approach.
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This is when it became political
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480142]How the fuck did a virus spreading become so political?[/QUOTE]It became political when the chosen one said that it was all a democratic hoax. He said that at the beginning when he should have been working on a solution which he still hasn't done. How about his news conference with his buddy the pillow guy? What a joke! Remember? Or is your memory limited to his last lie which occurs daily?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2480288]
Ireland with their harsh lockdown have one of the highest rates when it comes to deaths per capita in Europe. India had an draconian lockdown, what happened after the lockdown? They saw a rapid spread of COVID-19.
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Anyways, herd immunity is very much in play in certain areas of Sweden. Have you heard of T-cells? Sweden's numbers are looking great, better than other European countries. The WHO praised the Swedish approach.[/QUOTE]I guess you are just trolling, unless your marks in math at high school weren't great.
Ireland: 359 deaths /1 M population.
Sweden: [RED]575[/RED] deaths /1 M population.
([URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]).
About the "Draconian lockdown" in India, I can only deduct that either you don't know what is "Draconian", or you don't know what is India.
You can twist facts trying to demonstrate that hot water is colder than ice, but then you should keep thermometers away from your followers.
I take note of your T-cell argument. It's good that Sweden does not need a vaccine anymore. Great!
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480271]Once again, I must raise a warning when someone makes a wrong statement based on false information. Please be careful.
1) Flattening the curve.
"Overrun hospitals, create a worldwide ventilator shortage, etc. " make more people to die. The percentage of patients who die is not a constant, independent of that. If you slow down the spreading of an epidemic, the percentage of persons who die is much lower than if you let the epidemic to expand uncontrolled. Slowing down the spreading means to [U]save lives[/U], not just delaying the inevitable.
The "people that created the shutdown" did not [I]admit[/I] that the purpose was simply the above, but [I]explained[/I] it to those who did not know.
2) "Puntz offered several examples of the ineffectiveness of a shutdown"?
Also false examples: one is Sweden. Don't be fooled and look at the numbers yourself.
Sweden in Europe is widely recognized as the demonstration of an epic fail, besides the opinion of Mr. Puntz, whatever is his authoritativeness in the area. Sweden has reached 575 deaths /1 M population, opposed to the 49 of Norway, 108 of Denmark, 61 of Finland (neighboring countries). 576 is one of the highest in the world, it pairs USA. In Europe, it is lower only to those countries that were overwhelmed before taking effective measures (Belgium, Spain, UK, Italy). And note that Sweden is not Third World. It has one of the best and most efficient systems of Public Health in the world, for everyone, poor and rich.
Did they reach any "herd immunity" in change of this sacrifice? Not at all. The last epidemiological study reported that, based on serological tests, only 10%-15% population have the antibodies. It is not even understood if any "herd immunity" really exists and how long those antibodies protect, but even having 15% of population immune would be nothing.
So, that strategy made Sweden to suffer many deaths that could be avoided. And without achieving the intended goal. It's a huge responsibility to carry for those who took the wrong decision.[/QUOTE]You make some good points. (You did however edit the responses and attributed the Colombia comment to me in error).
But you did not address the main point. Until when? We can define flatten the curve differently, though I disagree with your point. But the fallacy is. When does the curve end? I hope like hell we develop a vaccine. God knows we're throwing every good mind at it. Efficacy is my concern. We are so early on in the process, we don't know what we need to know, I. E. Mutations. Dare I bring up the flu shot? Hell, the common cold? At this point, all we have is hope. But again, I ask, quarantine until when? Because if these early vaccine candidates do not pan out, then what? Another year of social distancing amd quarantine? That is not how we should live. I'm not 80 years old but I'd be damned to live out my final years as a hermit. I totally understand those that feel true fear. But the impacts of shutdowns are evident all around us. And that's where you have to draw the line. How much are we willing to give up? And even more important, are we willing to give it up indefinitely? Because that's the point we are at.
As for Europe, or any country for that matter. Social norms vary so greatly. Basic freedoms vary greatly. Quality of care varies greatly. So without question there is some validity to the comparisons but there are also untold variables. And BTW, what's going on in Europe in the last few weeks? If that's utopia, well, you can keep it because their numbers are spiking.
Herd immunity is absolutely one of my hopes. There's certainly no guarantee that it is even possible. I'm not familiar with that study in Sweeden but in the US, we are welll past 10-15%. So why is that a hope of mine? Because at this point that 60-65% threshold might be sooner than a viable vaccine. But again, is that what we're waiting for? Something that might never come? It's sad and difficult to grasp. And I think we as humans have a need to feel in control.
Lastly, any plan is only as effective as its adherence. Point taken about the car. But unless we quarantine literally everyone for a 2-3 week period. Including essential workers, it is ineffective. Are we to believe those grocery store clerks cannot carry the virus, as an example? I do NOT want to make this political at all. But I am reminded of Biden's national mask mandate. Three months of wearing a mask will solve this. Really? No. It is just more packaging and more false promise or false hope. Short ot an absolute quarantine (and I cannot fathom the loss of life that would cause), we are without a viable solution at this point.
I respect your opinions Black Page. While we disagree and you may believe I'm uneducated, foolish and countless other attributes, I appreciate your thoughtful response and approach.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480321]I guess you are just trolling, unless your marks in math at high school weren't great.
Ireland: 359 deaths /1 M population.
Sweden: [RED]575[/RED] deaths /1 M population.
([URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]).
About the "Draconian lockdown" in India, I can only deduct that either you don't know what is "Draconian", or you don't know what is India.
You can twist facts trying to demonstrate that hot water is colder than ice, but then you should keep thermometers away from your followers.
I take note of your T-cell argument. It's good that Sweden does not need a vaccine anymore. Great![/QUOTE]I never wrote that Ireland had more deaths per capita than Sweden. I wrote that they are among the worst affected countries in Europe. I don't think that it's a controversial statement.
In India the police used bamboo sticks to beat people going out to shop for food, you don't consider that to be over the top? I know that plenty of considered the Indian response to be draconian.
Almost every country said that the goal was to "flatten the curve", Sweden succeeded doing so without any lockdown.
I won't any vaccine, I remember what happened last time when we were supposed to be vaccinated against the swine flue. People got scared for life, I much rather get COVID-19 than narcolepsy.
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480355]
I respect your opinions Black Page. While we disagree and you may believe I'm uneducated, foolish and countless other attributes, I appreciate your thoughtful response and approach.[/QUOTE]I never thought you are uneducated and such. Your very polite and well written post demonstrates the opposite. Something is debatable, but there is a lot of good sense in it.
I said to pay attention to ignorant ones who spread false information. After 10 times something is repeated and nobody objects even the obvious, it becomes true for some.
P.S. Sorry for attributing you the Colombia statement. A mistake without intention.
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2480301]It became political when the chosen one said that it was all a democratic hoax. He said that at the beginning when he should have been working on a solution which he still hasn't done. How about his news conference with his buddy the pillow guy? What a joke! Remember? Or is your memory limited to his last lie which occurs daily?[/QUOTE]So what CL? Trump said HCQ worked, and the Democrats went off on how ineffective and unsafe it was. The same was true for the antibody treatment Trump touted.
If Trump said that bleach didn't work for the virus and not to drink it, there would have been thousands of Democrats dead for drinking bleach.
You can make fun of Trump all you want it is not going to help. What was Trump's plan, and what was Biden's?
You Democrats want to run on how you manage Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, and New York and proclaim you know what you are doing? Have at it. Maybe you can take a page from Paulie and go off on how well New York handled the virus. Gee, that is a real winner.
You all pinned all your hopes on the virus, made it seem like Trump was an idiot for not listening to the experts. What are the experts advocating now? First, it was flatten the curve. Then it was a vaccine will save us. Billions later spent on vaccines advocated by flip flop Fauci the vaccinologist and now the vaccines are not the silver bullet they were supposed to be.
So now you know what the experts will say? It does not matter. The experts asked us to sacrifice, and we sacrificed with no payoff. It is happening in the USA and in Peru and in Colombia.
What is going to happen, what already is happening is people have accepted they are going to have live with the virus and that despite all the Democratic bullshit about Trump not listening to the experts, the people have already concluded the so called experts did not know what they were talking about.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480395]So what CL? Trump said HCQ worked, and the Democrats went off on how ineffective and unsafe it was. The same was true for the antibody treatment Trump touted.
If Trump said that bleach didn't work for the virus and not to drink it, there would have been thousands of Democrats dead for drinking bleach.
You can make fun of Trump all you want it is not going to help. What was Trump's plan, and what was Biden's?
You Democrats want to run on how you manage Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, and New York and proclaim you know what you are doing? Have at it. Maybe you can take a page from Paulie and go off on how well New York handled the virus. Gee, that is a real winner.
You all pinned all your hopes on the virus, made it seem like Trump was an idiot for not listening to the experts. What are the experts advocating now? First, it was flatten the curve. Then it was a vaccine will save us. Billions later spent on vaccines advocated by flip flop Fauci the vaccinologist and now the vaccines are not the silver bullet they were supposed to be.
So now you know what the experts will say? It does not matter. The experts asked us to sacrifice, and we sacrificed with no payoff. It is happening in the USA and in Peru and in Colombia.
What is going to happen, what already is happening is people have accepted they are going to have live with the virus and that despite all the Democratic bullshit about Trump not listening to the experts, the people have already concluded the so called experts did not know what they were talking about.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more.
The Tall Man.
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I was just answering the question
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480395]So what CL? Trump said HCQ worked, and the Democrats went off on how ineffective and unsafe it was. The same was true for the antibody treatment Trump touted.
If Trump said that bleach didn't work for the virus and not to drink it, there would have been thousands of Democrats dead for drinking bleach.
You can make fun of Trump all you want it is not going to help. What was Trump's plan, and what was Biden's?
You Democrats want to run on how you manage Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, and New York and proclaim you know what you are doing? Have at it. Maybe you can take a page from Paulie and go off on how well New York handled the virus. Gee, that is a real winner.
You all pinned all your hopes on the virus, made it seem like Trump was an idiot for not listening to the experts. What are the experts advocating now? First, it was flatten the curve. Then it was a vaccine will save us. Billions later spent on vaccines advocated by flip flop Fauci the vaccinologist and now the vaccines are not the silver bullet they were supposed to be..[/QUOTE]I answered your question E. You must remember when he said it was a Democratic hoax don't you? In any event, I keep hearing everyday of people I know or are acquainted with getting infected, more than ever. Thankfully most survive and have mild symptoms. A few have been hospitalized. Some are die hard are's and others the's so it don't matter. If it started with one person and has spread worldwide, how can it ever be eliminated with millions now infected?
What I really don't understand is how China, where it all began, has so few deaths.
Oh well, enough said. Time to read another who killed JFK book.
Anybody know a Viking who played basketball?
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2480321]I guess you are just trolling, unless your marks in math at high school weren't great.
Ireland: 359 deaths /1 M population.
Sweden: [RED]575[/RED] deaths /1 M population.
([URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]).
[/QUOTE]A hypothetical example, if a person dies on the 10th year of a lock down that lasted more than 10 years. This person is without job and miserable during the time of lock down. The number of years does not really matter but I will just stick with 10 for argument's sack.
When this person dies, do you considered him died of natural cause, or died from Covid?
What would your reply be if I say this person died as soon as the lock down started?
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480395]You Democrats want to run on how you manage Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, and New York and proclaim you know what you are doing? Have at it. Maybe you can take a page from Paulie and go off on how well New York handled the virus. Gee, that is a real winner.
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So now you know what the experts will say? It does not matter. The experts asked us to sacrifice, and we sacrificed with no payoff. It is happening in the USA and in Peru and in Colombia.
[/QUOTE]My guess is that the Democrats will get similar result as the Republicans because they will listen to the same experts as Republicans. and Democrats will have the same bureaucrats to execute the plan. The problem with these public officials is that they follow a script. If everything fit the script, they think they are doing their jobs. If they find a COVID cluster, and they finds guidelines are followed, most of them won't take additional action and will think it is Ok.
I do think we need to listen to experts, multiple types of experts actually, economists, mental health professionals, and engineers who know how to devise and execute plan. IMO, what went wrong is that the government only listens to one type of experts with no deadline. And unfortunately, the only experts they listen to have been wrong on multiple occasions.
BTW, I do think the lock down works as I have personally experience it in both successful and unsuccessful lock down. All I can say is a successful lock down is very different from an unsuccessful ones so they are not the same thing.
If US uses a software engineer to tackle this as a sorting algorithm, i think the lock down will have a better chance to be successful. The testing is slow because it uses bubble sort, they should figure out a way to use quicksort instead
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2480593]I answered your question E. You must remember when he said it was a Democratic hoax don't you?[/QUOTE]Trump never said the virus was a hoax. He said the Democrats accusing him of being responsible for the virus was their new hoax.
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Fake news
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2480705]Trump never said the virus was a hoax. He said the Democrats accusing him of being responsible for the virus was their new hoax.[/QUOTE]Yes he did. It's on tape. I saw it live and many times since. But why didn't E answer that he remembered it in either form? That's when it became political either way you care to remember it.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2480654]My guess is that the Democrats will get similar result as the Republicans because they will listen to the same experts as Republicans. and Democrats will have the same bureaucrats to execute the plan.[/QUOTE]I agree, but for different reasons. The virus is going to do what is going to do. The only people who can slow it down are those who are sick and those who treat the sick. Experts only have influence if their advice is complied with.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2480654]I do think we need to listen to experts, multiple types of experts actually, economists, mental health professionals, and engineers who know how to devise and execute plan. IMO, what went wrong is that the government only listens to one type of experts with no deadline. And unfortunately, the only experts they listen to have been wrong on multiple occasions.[/QUOTE]What I see are politicians wanting their POV supported, and they then find experts who support it. To get people to comply with expert advice when that advice requires sacrifice, citizens have to buy into the advice. They have to believe the expert's motives are pure, free from commercial influence, and that those experts walk the walk. If the experts do not know something, they need to say they do not know.
When you start handing out $1000 citations for people not wearing masks, you are going to have the public question your motivation.
And you have to be nimble and change things based on the data and admit it when you were wrong. The new data on masks was great. The data showed that you can open hair salons if everyone wears their masks. So why were they still shut down?
Then you have Pelosi and the hair salon? Yeah, Fox news ran the clip and humiliated Pelosi, but if every time an elite screws up they turn it into a Dem-Republican thing, the elites can get away with anything.
The issue really is not Pelosi. It is the elites v. Hair stylists / the citizens. The elites have put hair stylists out of business because supposedly they were not essential well for us. For Pelosi and the elites, getting their hair styled was essential.
How many hair stylists who lost their businesses have said fuck it and just collect unemployment, go on welfare, or refuse to comply with the expert advice now? Has the lockdown worked for hair stylists or anyone with professions like theirs?
All I see are experts mouthing off about the benefits of lockdowns. I see no one talking about their downsides. The people who wanted the economics of a lockdown to be addressed were shouted down as putting money before lives. For the Americas, locking down healthy people cost a whole lot of people a whole lot of money and as far as I see provided very little benefit. For Asia, the results were far different.
If the elites want to blame the public for this, then they better be walking the walk. The problem I have with Democrats is that they believe everyone in government save for Trump is as pure as the driven snow. They cannot say Pelosi fucked up. They cannot say Fauci lied when he said he was massively dehydrated. It is always, "Well, compared to Trump" "Trump didn't wear a mask either" or all this other drivel.
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2480818]Yes he did. It's on tape. I saw it live and many times since. But why didn't E answer that he remembered it in either form? That's when it became political either way you care to remember it.[/QUOTE]Can you share the link?
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2480818]Yes he did. It's on tape. I saw it live and many times since. But why didn't E answer that he remembered it in either form? That's when it became political either way you care to remember it.[/QUOTE]Here's a link from FactCheck. Org, which is not a Trump sympathizer, explaining the whole thing: [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/[/URL]
Just in case you don't want to follow that link, here is a transcript of what Trump said: "Trump, Feb. 28: Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they're politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, "How's President Trump doing?" They go, "Oh, not good, not good. " They have no clue. They don't have any clue. They can't even count their votes in Iowa. They can't even count. No, they can't. They can't count their votes.
One of my people came up to me and said, "Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia." That didn't work out too well. They couldn't do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They've been doing it since you got in. It's all turning. They lost. It's all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. ".
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[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2480818]Yes he did. It's on tape. I saw it live and many times since. But why didn't E answer that he remembered it in either form? That's when it became political either way you care to remember it.[/QUOTE]Don't you ever wonder how much your hate for Trump will allow you to be manipulated by others for their political and financial gain?
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2480355]........Herd immunity is absolutely one of my hopes. There's certainly no guarantee that it is even possible. I'm not familiar with that study in Sweeden but in the US, we are welll past 10-15%. So why is that a hope of mine? Because at this point that 60-65% threshold might be sooner than a viable vaccine. But again, is that what we're waiting for? Something that might never come? It's sad and difficult to grasp. And I think we as humans have a need to feel in control....[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808[/URL]
If you are really, seriously thinking that herd immunity is in play. You should read this commentary from the Mayo Clinic. Herd immunity is a term that is bandied about by a lot of people who have no (and I mean zero).
Understanding of what it is and how it works. The article will help you understand it better. Sweden isn't achieving "herd immunity" and they aren't going to reach it anytime soon.
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[QUOTE=Villainy;2481409][URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808[/URL]
If you are really, seriously thinking that herd immunity is in play. You should read this commentary from the Mayo Clinic. Herd immunity is a term that is bandied about by a lot of people who have no (and I mean zero).
Understanding of what it is and how it works. The article will help you understand it better. Sweden isn't achieving "herd immunity" and they aren't going to reach it anytime soon.[/QUOTE]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.
Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL]
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Not happening
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2481470]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.
Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]There is no herd immunity.
And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.
No thanks.
The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2481470]That article was far from convincing considering that they just voiced guesses and estimates which been proven to be incorrect.
Sweden is very much seeing the effects from herd immunity.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-herd-immunity-threshold.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.
The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.
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My tazas por onstance?
[QUOTE=Xavter;2481291]Don't you ever wonder how much your hate for Trump will allow you to be manipulated by others for their political and financial gain?[/QUOTE]I'm retired and now have an income under 50 k but since Trump enacted his new tax plan, my taxes have gone up almost a thousand dollars while the top tier got a hug break and his promise just before the 2018 election that middle class relief was being worked on and we would have it after the election. I'm still waiting. And no I haven't bought any covid cures from Alex Jones or the Pillow Guy so they are not getting financial gain from me but from others. I just don't like liars, braggers, fakes, bullies, hippocrit. And draft dodgers.
For those interested to hear what he said and can judge on your own, go to YouTube and do a search and you can see video clips of that speech. I believe it was on 28 February 2020.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.
The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.[/QUOTE]The other type of "herd immunity" applies here.
The most commonly considered type of herd immunity is when a sufficient percentage of the population has developed sufficient antibodies to a virus to prevent large outbreaks. That percentage depends upon how easily the virus can be spread. The mechanism is simple. If you're contagious with a virus and most of the people who you come in contact with are currently immune, the chance of spreading the virus to more than one person is greatly reduced. For many types of viruses this type of herd immunity requires widespread use of effective vaccines.
The other type of "herd immunity" focuses on "herd" rather than "immunity."
Any herd of farm animals is immune to knowledge concerning infectious diseases and acquired immunity. The noises they make clearly demonstrate their inability to understand the available data.
You can test this. It works with pets, other domesticated animals and even wild animals (although it's best to hold the discussion at a distance with certain species). Simply ask any nearby animal "If the novel coronavirus has an are naught value of 5.7, what percentage of the population must have acquired immunity to achieve herd immunity?" Listen carefully to the growl, bark, chirp or any other noises made by the animal. If the noise sounds like "82% give him a treat and pat him on the head, unless you asked a porcupine.
If you receive any other answer, chances are your target audience simply lacks the mental capacity to understand the concept.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number[/URL]#covid-19-are-0.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without.[/QUOTE]What? Here is the exact sentence from the article, "Experts estimate that in the USA, 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic."
And Zeos, when I looked at the Canadian data, the death rate in the USA per capita was twice that of Canada. It is bad but it does not mean that Canada is the huge success that you have made it out to be.
Then you look at Sweden in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium and it is not having near the problem with the second wave that those countries are.
There is no doubt that lockdowns worked in Asia but they have not worked anywhere else after the virus mutated. Those of you who believe in lockdowns keep ignoring that fact. The "success" in Canada may be fleeting as Canada may have to deal with the virus longer than other nations.
It is hard to find four nations with policies as different as Colombia v. Mexico and Peru v. Brazil. Brazil and Mexico have been lambasted by the press for not taking the virus seriously and why they both have horrible data, Peru has worse data than Brazil and Colombia is far worse than Mexico.
Anybody touting the concept of herd immunity via vaccine or by people getting infected ignores the fact the virus may suddenly burn itself out or mutate into a more deadly strain. There has been a few cases of reinfection.
Thing is that you learn to live with it. First time I was in a room with someone with Covid, I was terrified. After the tenth and seeing not just me but everyone around me not getting sick, it was no big deal.
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I seem to be the only one who thinks this is
A big deal, but I think Pelosi going maskless to the hair salon does it for the Democrats come November. The Dems have been pounding away on Trump for not listening to scientists and making dumb statements. While he has said stupid things, I am at a loss as to what Democratic alternative would have saved lives. Still, hammering Trump on the virus was the Democrats best strategy and there is no doubt it was working.
Well, it did until Pelosi shit the bed. For those of you who do not know what I am talking about, you had Pelosi illegally going maskless and demanding a salon be open and getting her hair done, something others in California were banned for doing. This video explains the situation: [URL]https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-nancy-pelosi-san-francisco-salon[/URL].
Then there is the salon owner and her response: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7lRKAtD4xE[/URL].
This is not a red-blue thing. It is how many voters resonate with this salon owner. How many people say I lost my job not to save lives but because the Democrats were willing to destroy the economy to get Trump out of office?
Pelosi's response was completely insensitive and bungled and now Democrat have rushed to defend her. All the responses are the same, "Well, Trump did. "
"What she has done is slap the face of not just a salon owner but every woman every man every person who's unemployed in the state of California who has lost their jobs and lost their livelihoods. ," one protester said.
The Democrats had a field day saying Trump put money over lives, and I think this one action shows the Democrats really had no alternative plan and that they just wanted the economy destroyed so Trump was not re-elected. Most other people think this is no big deal, but I think it is huge.
And I want to go back to whomever showed that totally inaccurate Yale study on the rate of infection in Peru and how they blamed their inaccuracies on the Peruvian people's non-compliance. I would like to ask those Yale blowhards was the average Peruvian more or less compliant than Nancy Pelosi?
The only proper response for Pelosi was that she fucked up and apologized, but she and her Democratic allies seem incapable of doing so.
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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2481575]I took the trouble of reading the article, which is about the mathematics and science relating to herd immunity. It certainly says nothing about whether or not there is even herd immunity for Covid, and in fact it refers to herd immunity with vaccines, not without. There is no evidence that there is any herd immunity to Covid 19 without a vaccine, and the levels of Covid 19 experienced in Sweden or anywhere else are no where near what would be needed to start seeing evidence of herd immunity, if it even exists without a vaccine.
The closest related virus to Covid 19 is the common cold. And there is no noticeable herd immunity to it, and very short lived immunity of any kind to the cold viruses.[/QUOTE]Incorrect, I suggest that you read the article again.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]There is no herd immunity.
And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.
No thanks.
The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.[/QUOTE]Herd immunity is very much in play in certain areas of Sweden. People like you talked about 70'000 people dying in Sweden from Covid-19, today we know that they were wrong.
1% won't die. I've seen the results from not having any lockdowns, 99.94% will survive.
The lockdowns didn't work and the masks aren't working. The only solution is herd immunity, if you're scared stay at home.
Anyways, thanks for the laugh.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]There is no herd immunity.
And even if there was: more than 1 out of 100 Americans would have to be killed why covid to find out if it actually could work.[/QUOTE]Uh, no. It would depend on the age of those infected.
[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481482]The solution isn't herd immunity. Its killing the virus by stopping transmission. A full autocratic style lockdown for 2 months followed by a notional mask mandate for 2 months and we all move on.[/QUOTE]LOL. And what do you think Colombia and Peru did for 6 months? Was the problem they were not autocratic enough? They didn't send out the police to shoot anyone who broke the lockdown. And then if the police are out then it really is not a full lockdown right?
So shut down the economy for 2 months and blame Trump when it goes down right around election day? Brilliant!
It looks like more and more like Demorat plans like yours are falling through. Again.
"Shut down gym owners in San Francisco have developed serious "roid rage" after finding out this week that gyms inside of government buildings have been open for months while privately owned establishments have remained shut down, per the government's orders.
Gyms for police officers, lawyers, bailiffs, paralegals and government employees have been open since July 1, according to a new report from the Washington Examiner."
Ah, yes, the Demorat plan is all government workers and "essential" workers get paid, go to the gym, and get their hair done while everyone else can go get fucked. That "plan" does not look like it is working anymore.
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President Trump should take the lead.
Since we have now determined Corona Virus to be a Democratic plot, President Trump can start with reversing his travel proclamations. He can do so in the next 30 minutes. [URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/presidential-proclamation-coronavirus.html[/URL]#text=On%20 Monday%2 see%20 June%2022%2 see%20 President, market%20 following%20 the%20 coronavirus%20 outbreak. &text=There%20 is%20 also%20 an%20 exception, the%20 or%20 C1%2 FD%20 visas.
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Yep
[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2481698]Since we have now determined Corona Virus to be a Democratic plot, President Trump can start with reversing his travel proclamations. He can do so in the next 30 minutes. [URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/presidential-proclamation-coronavirus.html[/URL]#text=On%20 Monday%2 see%20 June%2022%2 see%20 President, market%20 following%20 the%20 coronavirus%20 outbreak. &text=There%20 is%20 also%20 an%20 exception, the%20 or%20 C1%2 FD%20 visas.[/QUOTE]A Democratic plot it is, and of course I realize you are being facetious. Wink.
That whole line of thinking was destroyed when Mr E pointed out all the countries where there are no Democrats yet they are still having trouble with the virus. Yet it persists because ridiculous people typically yell the loudest and are the most dogged in fighting to the end and getting in the last word. Last post wins right? Well I can tell you who is going to have the last post here on this subject, Elvirus. Bet the farm on it.
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February 29th, 2020
Here is that speech: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE[/URL].
It doesn't matter what you can prove. A sheep follow his shepherd no matter what. Can't teach stupid, it is not possible.
[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2481582] I just don't like liars, braggers, fakes, bullies, hippocrit. And draft dodgers.
For those interested to hear what he said and can judge on your own, go to YouTube and do a search and you can see video clips of that speech. I believe it was on 28 February 2020.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Voyajer1;2481787]Here is that speech: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE[/URL].
It doesn't matter what you can prove. A sheep follow his shepherd no matter what. Can't teach stupid, it is not possible.[/QUOTE]It is important to not lose memory. Youtube today helps. See his sharp eyes, his profound expression, highlighting the stupidity of the claims he is making. The families of the 200 k people died in USA in seven months must enjoy seeing this video.
It is so embarrassing to see the USA, that is the country that has led the world to many new frontiers of progress for centuries, now led by this moron. For my generation USA has been a myth. How could that happen? This will be studied for centuries in history books. Maybe, this is the proof that the USA system is so robust, that it keeps on working well even without a real President. [I]Chapeau![/I].
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Its not about giving up
[QUOTE=SJobs;2481727]Well, I remember kids on the play ground who give up everything on the first try, when things gets tough, they are the first one who quits and they hate to see other people continue trying. I respect their existence, and they normally end up working for me; I will divide a seemingly unsolvable problem into small pieces so they can comfortably work on it. Anyways, people are different, some give up easily some will continue trying, I'm not the kind of person who give up on things easily.[/QUOTE]Its about living in reality and not being desperate. Sheesh. Only people in America are thinking like you--which is why America has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the corona related deaths! Your way of thinking is what's keeping you out of Medellin! The sooner you understand that. The sooner you can join the team working towards real solutions and helping get this over with. The sooner you will have fun in Colombia.
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Let's be honest!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2481623]Then you look at Sweden in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium and it is not having near the problem with the second wave that those countries are....[/QUOTE]Why is it that when you want to make a point you select comparisons that are completely dissimilar? Why in the world would you compare Sweden to Belgium and the Netherlands and then say "See Sweden is not having the problem that these countries are."
Belgium has 973 people per square mile. Netherlands has 1,092 people per square mile. Sweden has 59 people per square mile. Don't you think population density plays a major role in virus statistics and how communicable the disease is?
So what would be better? How about Norway and Finland and even Denmark. These countries have similar climate characteristics and let's look at the population densities.
Finland has 42 people per square mile. Norway has 43 people per square mile. Denmark has 349 per square mile. Sweden (again) has 59 people per square mile.
Don't you think these countries which have greater proximity and close matches for population density would be the best comparison??
So let's look at the results:
Sweden has 8,477 cases per million persons and 577 deaths per million persons.
Denmark has 3,167 cases per million persons and 108 deaths per million persons.
Finland has 1,504 cases per million persons and 61 deaths per million persons.
Norway has 2,129 cases per million persons and 49 deaths per million persons.
This is a fair comparison Elvis. I'm not cherry-picking the comparisons in order to make a dishonest or deceptive point.
Just looking at those comparisons one might reasonably conclude that Sweden should have been doing what the surrounding countries were doing.
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[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2481714]International flights to CTG back in business on September 21st. As per the Cartagena thread.
National flights in Colombia have already been going on.
Therefore, arrive internationally to CTG and then pop on over to MDE.
Or maybe, we will see more news soon regarding dates for other international airports in Colombia.[/QUOTE]To you and to all others who commented variously this news, I hate to remind that having international flights connecting an airport is a necessary condition for foreigners to reach that country, but it is largely not sufficient.
The second necessary condition is that government regulations do allow foreigners to enter. We can only speculate when it will happen, but if we bet 10 bucks I would not bet that people from Europe or USA will be free to enter Colombia as tourists in 2020. Just 10 buck, ok?
You can have international flights resumed, still foreigners not allowed to enter unless for well documented reasons.
As an example, Singapore Changi has been connected to most world hubs and its international flights were resumed 2 or 3 months ago on a reduced schedule, but still no short-time visitors from almost any country are allowed to enter Singapore. The Minister said to forget it at least for the entire 2020. International flights have been resumed for Singapore citizens, for long-time pass holders, or for those others who have to go to Singapore for important business and for an extended period. Basically, only for "essential travel". Also, 2-week quarantine is enforced.
https://www.mfa.gov.sg/Services/Singapore-Citizens/COVID-19-Travel-Restrictions
https://www.ica.gov.sg/covid-19
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/
We all hate continence, so at least we should exercise patience, the most important virtue to exercise for the next months.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2481830]It is so embarrassing to see the USA, ...[/QUOTE]Why are you embarrassed by something you have no input into the outcome? I am not embarrassed by your uninformed statements. I chalk it up to biased, unintelligent opinions. How much time have you spent in the United States during the last ten years? If you had been here and experienced the differences between the Obama and Trump administrations, without political bias, you may be qualified to form an opinion and not be embarrassed.
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[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2481933]Why are you embarrassed by something you have no input into the outcome? I am not embarrassed by your uninformed statements. I chalk it up to biased, unintelligent opinions. How much time have you spent in the United States during the last ten years? If you had been here and experienced the differences between the Obama and Trump administrations, without political bias, you may be qualified to form an opinion and not be embarrassed.[/QUOTE]I retain my embarrassment, shared by several of my American work colleagues in USA, which I was used to meet often there and in other countries (sigh! Now only telecons!) Some of them are Republicans, and are embarrassed as well. Some Republicans love Trump instead, so definitely it's a very debatable personal opinion!
I respect your opinion, of course, but seeing Trump speaking is objectively embarrassing (remember the bleach?), despite the positive effect he had on the life of some of his supporters. I do not judge this.
I do not know if I am qualified, but I have been a visitor of USA twice a year for quite a long time, and I talk every week with Americans in my job. I simply observe the "love him or hate him" effect.
I note that out of topic discussion was expelled from the Medellin thread into this. I guess there will be a further branching into "Stupid Shit anywhere in the world" and we'll find our posts moved there. Another effect of COVID. We cannot play our hobby where we wish, so we can only read ISG. It's sad, you will agree with me at least about this.
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[QUOTE=Villainy;2481880]Why is it that when you want to make a point you select comparisons that are completely dissimilar? Why in the world would you compare Sweden to Belgium and the Netherlands and then say "See Sweden is not having the problem that these countries are."
Belgium has 973 people per square mile. Netherlands has 1,092 people per square mile. Sweden has 59 people per square mile. Don't you think population density plays a major role in virus statistics and how communicable the disease is?
This is a fair comparison Elvis. I'm not cherry-picking the comparisons in order to make a dishonest or deceptive point.
Just looking at those comparisons one might reasonably conclude that Sweden should have been doing what the surrounding countries were doing.[/QUOTE]What is the population density where most Swedes live in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium? That is where you analogy falls apart.
Anyway, you are arguing a mute point. The rest of Europe is not locking down again, and they are actually taking on a version of the Swedish model despite the second wave. Everyone saying how much countries in the Americas sucked in comparison to Europe is eating crow right now. The European lockdowns did not cure them of the virus.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2481705]A Democratic plot it is, and of course I realize you are being facetious. Wink.
That whole line of thinking was destroyed when Mr E pointed out all the countries where there are no Democrats yet they are still having trouble with the virus. [/QUOTE]I didn't bother debunking Mr. E's point because it was ridiculous. I am not going to explain the global power structure.
As for winning the argument, I could care less. I just got tired of you Demorats espousing your libtard economy destroying ways as "science".
The final statement will be on election day. Biden was +2000 on March 1 before the virus hit. That means if you bet $100 on Biden and he won you got $2000. He actually got as high as -165 meaning if you bet $165 on Biden and he won, you get $100. The Corona virus was the greatest gift that the Democratic party may ever have been given and then the Dems let their cities burn. After that move, the latest data shows Trump and Biden in a dead heat on the futures market.
Of course, that dead heat was before Pelosi had to get her hair done. He he.
The best numbers for Biden were July 31, one week after Corona peaked in the USA. Since then, the new cases in the USA are down, and the number of cases now are exploding in India, Africa, South America, and Europe. The belly aching POV that Trump didn't listen to science, dd not lock down enough and that Europe had it right, do not look so hot now.
So do all this Trump said this or that shit all you want. I was actually posting here because I was so damned frustrated than Colombia took the Demorat "science" POV, locked down, banned travel, the economy tanked, and I could not see my chicas. This forum was an outlet for my venting. FWIW, "Irresponsible" Mexico has better numbers than responsible Colombia and "irresponsible" Brazil has better numbers than responsible Peru.
I then read how Peru and Colombia were not serious and I want to gag. The economic suffering in those countries has been unreal, and a lot of was for nothing. Banning international travel was stupid. Thankfully, now they are not serious with the lockdowns. They have seen through the bullshit, and that is all I have ever wanted. The world has come around to my way of thinking now: locking down healthy people destroyed economies and did not prevent the virus from spreading. You guys can go off on Trump and say how great lockdowns are all you want now. It does not matter anymore.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2481877]Its about living in reality and not being desperate. Sheesh. Only people in America are thinking like you--which is why America has 4% of the worlds population and 22% of the corona related deaths! Your way of thinking is what's keeping you out of Medellin! The sooner you understand that. The sooner you can join the team working towards real solutions and helping get this over with. The sooner you will have fun in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Wow, are you for real? I normally don't like to get involved in meaningless quibble, but this post is so outrageous, it deserves a response. First of all, a suggestion, don't always see things in a negative way. When other people are trying to instill hope on getting cross the border, and sharing real time news and flight updates, we don't need an incognito person to breed negative energy and making groundless assertion such as "we won't be able to get into Medellin until mid next year". America has lots of areas that can be improved, but we also got lots impressive achievements, a less negative view in life can serve you well.
Let's see. We have 4% of the world population, but we got the most amount of Nobel prize winners and fields medal winners, almost half of the leading research institutions in the world are in America. We got the Silicon Valley startup culture which is the envy of the world. Almost all of the top 5 richest people on earth are Americans. Let's see, what else, we are always in the top three in terms of metal counts in the Olympics. Our high tech companies such as intel, google, amazon, Facebook and Apple are literally dominating the technology world. Pretty soon you will see an America monger (A. K. A sjobs) make it across the holy border of Colombia through sheer perseverance, despite all the negative energy he has been receiving.
By the way, we do have a pretty open immigration policy, do you need a link for the application form?
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USA making plans to restrict international travel through 2021
I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.
[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]
I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.
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[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2482208]I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.
[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]
I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.[/QUOTE]Dude,
That is not what the article says at all. It is actually good news for those of us wanting to travel. It says demand for travel to the USA is expected to be way down. International travel is a big business, and Trump makes bank on international travelers with his hotels.
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[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2482208]I don't know if this is a credible news source but it popped up in my twitter feed yesterday. My heart sank.
[URL]https://www.propublica.org/article/the-trump-administration-is-predicting-a-drastic-drop-in-demand-for-u-s-visas-for-years-to-come[/URL]
I can't see any country opening its borders before the USA does. These things in my lifetime have tended to be reciprocal.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is suggesting that plan to keep the boarders closed until 2022, but that they do not expect demand for International travel to recover fully until then.
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Bring the Truth!
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2481948]What is the population density where most Swedes live in comparison to the Netherlands and Belgium? That is where you analogy falls apart.[/QUOTE]Seriously? You could have chosen other countries, say for example Austria and Switzerland. Countries with similar population sizes and geographical similarities (I. E. Mountainous terrain) but no, not you.
You chose two countries that couldn't be more different because by doing so you could support some vacuous point you wanted to make. There is a word for that. It's called being "dishonest".
On to another silly statement. You really think Nancy Pelosi wanting to get touched up at a beauty salon is a game changer? Really? I'm guessing you haven't been reading or listening to the notes and tapes.
From the Bob Woodward interview where a certain incumbent president acknowledged that he down played the severity of the virus while being fully aware of how dangerous and potentially lethal it was. Somehow.
When I go to pull levers in November, I don't think I'll be voting on Nancy Pelosi wanting a makeover but I sure as heck will be remembering that this president was willing to put American lives at risk by downplaying.
The dangers of the virus and not taking every step possible to prepare the country for what was to come.
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[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]Seriously? You could have chosen other countries, say for example Austria and Switzerland. Countries with similar population sizes and geographical similarities (I. E. Mountainous terrain) but no, not you. There is a word for that. It's called being "dishonest".[/QUOTE]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.
What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]From the Bob Woodward interview where a certain incumbent president acknowledged that he down played the severity of the virus while being fully aware of how dangerous and potentially lethal it was. [/QUOTE]Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.
I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2482507]When I go to pull levers in November, I don't think I'll be voting on Nancy Pelosi wanting a makeover but I sure as heck will be remembering that this president was willing to put American lives at risk by downplaying.[/QUOTE]Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.
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Says every hideous looking simp
"I wouldn't care what it did to the macroeconomic scene of mongering. One of the most pathetic things I see is when Gringos try to negotiate these girls down 10-20 mil lower, to what purpose? To make sure you got a "good deal?
BTW your post suggests you've been around much much longer than 20 posts?
I must ask if you don't care how your behavior negatively impacts this community, and you have so little respect for what's in our best interests, why are you even here?
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Dear Mr Chicafan
[QUOTE=Chicafan;2487093]Your logic is terribly flawed. The conclusions you drew are an incredible reach. Funny.
Do Colombian girls target exclusively Americans?
I don't suppose you happen to know what percentage of tourists in Medellin are American vs tourists from other countries do you?
Do people from the ghettos of America hate Americans?
Do you think a desperate person in a ghetto would not rob you? You're American. A black American. Do poor people in ghettos hate black Americans?
I wonder if a desperate Colombian girl would rob a Colombian?
Maybe poor people simply resent people with money..[/QUOTE]You asked so I will answer.
A. Do Colombian girls target exclusively Americans? Many of them do, not all, but yes, I have attended enough events to now know, they target Gringos because they think we are all rich.
B. I don't suppose you happen to know what percentage of tourists in Medellin are American vs tourists from other countries do you? No, never cared to know.
C. Do people from the ghettos of America hate Americans? Yes, well to do Americans who can't relate to their struggle, yes they do, look at the riots in America right now. More sympathy for a wall, than a human life!
D. Do you think a desperate person in a ghetto would not rob you? You're American. A black American. Do poor people in ghettos hate black Americans? Yes, it is clearly the others who named the term –black on black crime, yes blacks will rob blacks if they feel that you are doing better, therefore, I no longer live in the ghetto, I am doing better, much better.
E. I wonder if a desperate Colombian girl would rob a Colombian? Rarely, but it would be a life or death situation, I know several girls from the park who robbed other Colombians who are now no longer with us!!
F. Maybe poor people simply resent people with money. Do you think? This is getting hilarious.
G. Is it possible that some Colombians like Americans (well enough) but just don't like you? Could it be that you are truly blind to any racism and you refuse to believe anything that does not effect you or have an impact on your well-being, but if it affects others, then god forbid, it is that group of people's problem. Keep it coming.
H. You are a pompous and full of yourself, but those who underestimate others usually are.
Good day, sir, Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2488184]I would hate to be you. You will give yourself a heart attack soon.
Remember the media telling you:
The microwaves (used to heat food) gives out radiation that will cause cancer and kill you. Yet 90% of all of us have one.
The cell phones gives out radiation that will cause cancer and kill you. Yet 100% of all of us have one.
In the 1980's AIDS was going to kill half the planets population. How did that work out?
About 3 years ago ZIKA virus was a popular doom scenario for 6 months and then nothing. Nothing heard again.
Now COVID. It has killed less than 1%. Mostly sickly and very elderly.
Are you unable to think for yourself or does media have to fill your head like all the stupid kids of today's world?[/QUOTE]A slew of bogus analogies. There's always been fads as to what may or may not cause cancer, which is niether here nor there. Zika didn't cause bodies to pour out into the streets in many countries around the world, stressing healthcare systems and morgues, thus this is a riduclous comparison. No credible news source made the case that AIDs was going to kill half the planet. It is a disease that is easily spreads through blood to blood contact so care is worth taking in those circumstances and a few others.
Actually the stupidity lies with you and other conspiracy theory peddlers who reject the overwhelming consensus of scientists and doctors the world over who specialize in the study of contagious diseases. Only a moron of the highest degree would believe that these and others in many fields of study across the globe have huddled together to perpetuate a scam. And 1% of the world population is a lot, and it's by no means over. 209,000 Americans have died and counting, seven times that of a normal flu season. These numbers in the US and around the globe would be much higher if not for public measures that have and are continuing to hinder the spread. Also there is plenty of evidence that long term health problems exist in some survivors, lungs, heart, and brain.
But hey, keep spreading bad information on a most serious matter, and with your arrogance, an arrogance that many had until they wrestled with Covid then changed their minds. I've said nothing that hasn't been said before, and am responding to arguments that have been refuted many times before on this thread. Anyone interested I recommend that they look up my post history. That said, I'm moving on. Feel free pile on, repeat the same lies that have been already overturned ad nauseam, etc. I'm done with the subject in monger forums.
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7 x jajajajaja more fake news
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2488317]A slew of bogus analogies. There's always been fads as to what may or may not cause cancer, which is niether here nor there. Zika didn't cause bodies to pour out into the streets in many countries around the world, stressing healthcare systems and morgues, thus this is a riduclous comparison. No credible news source made the case that AIDs was going to kill half the planet. It is a disease that is easily spreads through blood to blood contact so care is worth taking in those circumstances and a few others.
Actually the stupidity lies with you and other conspiracy theory peddlers who reject the overwhelming consensus of scientists and doctors the world over who specialize in the study of contagious diseases. Only a moron of the highest degree would believe that these and others in many fields of study across the globe have huddled together to perpetuate a scam. And 1% of the world population is a lot, and it's by no means over. 209,000 Americans have died and counting, seven times that of a normal flu season. These numbers in the US and around the globe would be much higher if not for public measures that have and are continuing to hinder the spread. Also there is plenty of evidence that long term health problems exist in some survivors, lungs, heart, and brain.
But hey, keep spreading bad information on a most serious matter, and with your arrogance, an arrogance that many had until they wrestled with Covid then changed their minds. I've said nothing that hasn't been said before, and am responding to arguments that have been refuted many times before on this thread. Anyone interested I recommend that they look up my post history. That said, I'm moving on. Feel free pile on, repeat the same lies that have been already overturned ad nauseam, etc. I'm done with the subject in monger forums.[/QUOTE]From "someone" that tells me to worry about being kidnapped for ransom in MDE.
[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/13-12-2017-up-to-650-000-people-die-of-respiratory-diseases-linked-to-seasonal-flu-each-year[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482774]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.
What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.
Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.
I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.
Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.[/QUOTE]Shutting down most economies was just stupid.
[URL]https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/Does-Sweden-s-COVID-19-experience-support-the-herd-immunity-theory--TL82pOjfpe/index.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482774]Been there, done this. Sweden is a success or failure based on which country you compare it to. I have said this before and you are being dishonest in insisting that all other nations that merit a fair comparison to Sweden just so happen to be ones that have fared better. You are making these artificial barriers like population density and now mountains?? The truth is that there are much better and much worse countries than Sweden, but it does not matter with regards to what is happening in the world.
What matters is nations are now taking the Swedish approach based on the most recent data and general lockdowns are now off the table.
Fauci got it wrong on masks and used the excuse that he did not want people going into a panic and hoarding masks, and you Demorats totally excuse him. Then Woodward releases an interview that he conducted months ago, and it says Trump does the same thing, and you all are outraged. You Demorats are so up in arms about Trump you could be offended by how he breathes. You Demorats are incapable of saying anything good about Trump. There were no wars with him, and the economy had been doing great pre Covid, and you all treat him like he is the devil.
I have said the FDA and CDC screwed up the early Covid testing, and that is relevant and that is on Trump.
Like there was any doubt how you were going to vote. Pelosi just got a makeover huh? Yeesh. To be a Demorat today is to say that the only person who ever does anything wrong in government is Trump or people affiliated with him. You all cannot even admit when a party leader of yours pulls a total boner.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure that Trump's biggest issue is his ability to self own and its anybody else's fault than his own. In terms of the economy, it was certainly not because of Trump. He inherited a growing economy, the best in terms of steady growth, and the promptly screwed it up by trying to.
A) Supercharge it with tax cuts for wealthy people and companies. Which resulted in overvaluation and a miniscule improvement in GDP growth, whiles adding a massive amount to the national debt. Funny how he is not a deficit hawk when he is in charge.
B) The tariffs that are totally "being paid by China" in direct violation of WTO regulations.
The hypocrisy and madness of abandoning international allies is what makes the administration seem crazy. And this is before considering any of the morality or health care considerations.
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[QUOTE=JgButler;2488613]I am pretty sure that Trump's biggest issue is his ability to self own and its anybody else's fault than his own. In terms of the economy, it was certainly not because of Trump. He inherited a growing economy, the best in terms of steady growth, and the promptly screwed it up by trying to.
A) Supercharge it with tax cuts for wealthy people and companies. Which resulted in overvaluation and a miniscule improvement in GDP growth, whiles adding a massive amount to the national debt. Funny how he is not a deficit hawk when he is in charge.
B) The tariffs that are totally "being paid by China" in direct violation of WTO regulations.
The hypocrisy and madness of abandoning international allies is what makes the administration seem crazy. And this is before considering any of the morality or health care considerations.[/QUOTE]This hackneyed phrase "he inherited a good economy" is bandied about regularly as a detraction of Trump and it's not logical. Given the cyclical nature of the economy, you'd much rather take over when the economy is at a relative low point. Sure you might take shit initially, but after a few years, in all likelihood things will be better. OTOH, taking over when a recovery is long in the tooth is much more risky as the economic cycle likely won't run in your favor much longer.
The things you mention didn't screw up the economy, which was by virtually all measures, in very good shape eight months ago. The only thing that screwed it up was this virus and the ensuing lockdown. Which, by the way, has screwed up at the economy of the entire World, not just that of the USA.
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[QUOTE=Combo;2488678]This hackneyed phrase "he inherited a good economy" is bandied about regularly as a detraction of Trump and it's not logical. Given the cyclical nature of the economy, you'd much rather take over when the economy is at a relative low point. Sure you might take shit initially, but after a few years, in all likelihood things will be better. OTOH, taking over when a recovery is long in the tooth is much more risky as the economic cycle likely won't run in your favor much longer.
The things you mention didn't screw up the economy, which was by virtually all measures, in very good shape eight months ago. The only thing that screwed it up was this virus and the ensuing lockdown. Which, by the way, has screwed up at the economy of the entire World, not just that of the USA.[/QUOTE]Obama inherited a disaster of an economy losing 750 k jobs a month--and flipped it intot he longest sustainable period of constant economic growth in US History! Trump inherited a solid, growing economy. And destroyed it. (just like Bush destroyed Clinton's good economy). The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. Trumps total failure and mishandling of the virus-in every possible way-destroyed what was left of the already on the way down because republicans always screw up the economy--economy. Look at the last 50+ years: democrats paid down the debt, republicans increase. Republicans cause recessions, democrats fix them-lke it or not--that is a fact! Just go look at the data. Trump failed on the virus. The US has 4% of the globa population and 20+% of the covid deaths-in spite of some of the best doctors, most mst resources and highest capabilities to put an effective plan in place. That failure falls on the leadership-trump and republicans--they get 100% of the blame. Their failure destroyed the economy they already hurt. Just like in trumps persoanl life-he inherited a good economy and lots of money from daddy then drove that business into several bankruptcies and lied on his taxes and isn't a billionaire or a successful business man-its all a fraud and a con. --trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. He ran the virus like one of his bankrupted failed casinos. Trump isn't even allowed to run a charity because he stole from his own fraud of a charity and never actually helped anyone but himself. Turmp university-another fraud, a total criminal scam--a lie. Like everything else trump. Trump is a racist, a fool and both morally and financially bankrupt--and the nation is following suit under his lack of real leadership.
If you support trump you support racism, bankrupting the nation, mishandling the pandemic, compulsive dishonesty, a con man, authoritarianism and generally are on the wrong side of history on every single issue-from climate change to healthcare to education. Trump is destroying the USA like he destroyed his dads business empire. AND everyone on planet earth except for a handful of racist and ignorant Americans who think more guns amd more shooting people is the same as more peace and less violence-the same Americans who believe in zombies (jesus) and talking snakes who don't want rib made woman eating apples and think the earth is flat. That these stories are more real and relevant than science--those are his only supporters. NAZIS support trump. And dictators like Putin, the Chinese commies, the leaders of north Korea and scum like bolsinaro-who still claims the virus is a hoax--and the leader of north Korea--who trump fell in love with--those are the types who support trump. Meanwhile--look at the countries who dealth with the virus with success: new Zealand, Iceland, Germany, Finland, Taiwan, Thailand. Etc-they hate trump and trumpism and are ashamed of America now. As any sane and rational person would be. You cont believe in democracy or America or the constitution if you support trump. He calls himself the law and order potus--but his entire operation is a criminal enterprise. He has had as many senior staff indicted as every single other potus in history combined!
The only thing trump does that anyone on this site could agree with if they are sane--is pay for pussy--and he illegally tried to cover that up too!
Fuck trump and fuck anyone who supports him. He destroyed the US economy, he is destroying US leadership around the world. He is anti science, anti truth anti fact and anti YOU! Stop enabling the cult! Biden-hardly perfect--but a lot better than trump. At least Biden is sane!
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2488814]Obama inherited a disaster of an economy losing 750 k jobs a month--and flipped it intot he longest sustainable period of constant economic growth in US History! Trump inherited a solid, growing economy. And destroyed it. (just like Bush destroyed Clinton's good economy). The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. Trumps total failure and mishandling of the virus-in every possible way-destroyed what was left of the already on the way down because republicans always screw up the economy--economy. Look at the last 50+ years: democrats paid down the debt, republicans increase. Republicans cause recessions, democrats fix them-lke it or not--that is a fact! Just go look at the data. Trump failed on the virus. The US has 4% of the globa population and 20+% of the covid deaths-in spite of some of the best doctors, most mst resources and highest capabilities to put an effective plan in place. That failure falls on the leadership-trump and republicans--they get 100% of the blame. Their failure destroyed the economy they already hurt. Just like in trumps persoanl life-he inherited a good economy and lots of money from daddy then drove that business into several bankruptcies and lied on his taxes and isn't a billionaire or a successful business man-its all a fraud and a con. --trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. He ran the virus like one of his bankrupted failed casinos. Trump isn't even allowed to run a charity because he stole from his own fraud of a charity and never actually helped anyone but himself. Turmp university-another fraud, a total criminal scam--a lie. Like everything else trump. Trump is a racist, a fool and both morally and financially bankrupt--and the nation is following suit under his lack of real leadership.[/QUOTE]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.
[/QUOTE]I am not a political guy, but you can bet that if there is something that I have not done in 47 years, then I did not plan on doing it. If there is a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, then I gotta choose the giant douche every time.
P.S. I thought it was Headboard Harris; talking about her favorite rapper alive is a guy that has been dead for 25 years.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Everything I wrote is fact.
Trump failed on the virus. Couldn't protect the nation and can't even protect himself or the White House.
I guess all of trumps hydroxy didn't work! Trump has the virus now. Proving his failure in this whole thing.
Trump is a super spreader. The worst source of virus misinformation on the planet. And now he mismanaged himself into being positive for the virus.
Irony!
Trump is inept at everything he does. Its all a giant con!
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Thank you, Just Incognito, for passionately telling these gringos caught in their bubble what the world thinks about the conman in the White House.
This fake of a president, conspiracy theorist in chief, suffers from twitter diarrhea and too many people just lap it up. It's so disgusting to watch.
Well today something unexpected happened. For the first time ever, the big fat faker tweeted a simple fact, scientifically proven. Maybe there is hope for the US yet.
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Tired of the political polemics
Gentlemen, can we take our political harangues elsewhere? This is not the place for it, I don't want to learn how to use the "ignore" feature (if we have one.).
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RE: Tired of the political polemics
[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2489046]Gentlemen, can we take our political harangues elsewhere? This is not the place for it, I don't want to learn how to use the "ignore" feature (if we have one.).[/QUOTE]Thank you! This ongoing COVID troll and flame war has infested this forum since mid-July. Even worse, it's now spreading to the Aruba forum and others (go look).
Moderators, or someone who is actually paying the yearly membership fee and has unmoderated status, please create a forum titled "COVID Troll and Flame. " With the President and First Lady now testing positive for COVID, vaccines forthcoming, and nations constantly adjusting their entry procedures, the COVID chat on ISG isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so it might as well be confined to one specific forum.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2489010]Everything I wrote is fact. ...[/QUOTE]Hardly anything you wrote is fact. Here are a few examples:
"The economy had better job growth and was more successful by every measure in the final 3 years of Obama compared to the 2.5 years of trump pr-virus and starting 6 months after trump took over to account for a lag time for trumps initial policies to take effect. " Job growth (Obama) 2014 1.85, 2015 2.62, 2016 2.42 (Trump) 2017 2.51, 2018 3.19, 2019 3.17.
Obama never had GDP growth of 3 points, Trump did it in his second year.
"trump inherited a great Obama economy and drove the nation into bankruptcy. " The US is not in bankruptcy.
"he has had as many senior staff indicted as every single other potus in history combined" Not one of Trump's senior staff has been indicted.
According to your posts, you don't live in the US. I doubt you are even a US citizen.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488942]You are so full of shit, all lies and you gobble this crap up and swallow it whole, gawd have your career 47 year do-notin politician Biden who is as dirty scum as they come with his kid Hunter stealing taxpayer funded money and that **** heels in the air Harris. Hehehehe.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Quit crying Tallman. You're guy is on his way to the hospital. I wish him no ill, but do want his childish, destructive stunts on the sidelines rather in the WH.
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This thread is called "Stupid shit in Medellin," not "Endless bickering about the US.
[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;2489056]Thank you! This ongoing COVID troll and flame war has infested this forum since mid-July. Even worse, it's now spreading to the Aruba forum and others (go look).
Moderators, or someone who is actually paying the yearly membership fee and has unmoderated status, please create a forum titled "COVID Troll and Flame. " With the President and First Lady now testing positive for COVID, vaccines forthcoming, and nations constantly adjusting their entry procedures, the COVID chat on ISG isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so it might as well be confined to one specific forum.[/QUOTE]Do we have a "ignore" feature that would allow me to not see someone's posts for 30 or 60 days?
Could we open up a "US politics" forum? Someplace to put the posts that are NOT related to the hobby?
I don't come here to debate anyone, or try to change anyone's mind about their partisan politics / religion / favorite sports team.
I'm especially tired of being subjected to these harangues from one star posters with low post counts who only started posting in the last year or so. I understand, I've seen this level of righteous indignation before. I think of the 20 year old in 1970 who gets his notice to appear for his draft physical, and within two weeks, becomes an expert on foreign policy and wants you to hear their "profound" observations. Yeah, that guy wasn't a lot of fun to talk to for the next couple of years, but by 1978, after getting a job, a haircut, their first nice car, and a mortgage, could have normal conversations with their neighbor across the backyard fence.
I don't even care about the controversy about Spirit Airlines. (Some people believe that Spirit Airlines is "a threat," others are just as equally convinced it is merely "a menace. ") I can't tell you how many times I have mentioned the name of that airline, and the other person will spend the next 20 minutes telling me how they lost their bag, or had a horrible experience, about how Spirit Airlines is responsible for everything from the sinking of the Lusitania, to the assassination of Ghandi, to the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby.
I know COVID-19 was the camel's nose in the tent, but just keep it on topic to when or when not we can travel, and what things are and are not safe.
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Just skip this thread since it isn't for you. It's for overflow, and was actually an excellent idea Admin 2 came up with on the fly. And it has morphed into many others, such a Stupid Shit and Rants in New Delhi, Stupid Shit in Kiev, Stupid Shit in the Philippines and the list goes on. These threads solved an age old problem on the site with keeping their review threads on topic as this is for overflow, plus many learn where certain posts belong and they place them here to start with. Cheers.
[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2489132]Do we have a "ignore" feature that would allow me to not see someone's posts for 30 or 60 days?
Could we open up a "US politics" forum? Someplace to put the posts that are NOT related to the hobby?
I don't come here to debate anyone, or try to change anyone's mind about their partisan politics / religion / favorite sports team.
I'm especially tired of being subjected to this stuff from one star posters.
I don't even care about the controversy about Spirit Airlines. (Some people believe that Spirit Airlines is "a threat," others are just as equally convinced it is merely "a menace. ") I can't tell you how many times I have mentioned the name of that airline, and the other person will spend the next 20 minutes telling me how they lost their bag, or had a horrible experience, about how Spirit Airlines is responsible for everything from the sinking of the Lusitania, to the assassination of Ghandi, to the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby.
I know COVID-19 was the camel's nose in the tent, but just keep it on topic to when or when not we can travel, and what things are and are not safe.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2489138]Just skip this thread since it isn't for you. It's for overflow, and was actually an excellent idea Admin 2 came up with on the fly. And it has morphed into many others, such a Stupid Shit and Rants in New Delhi, Stupid Shit in Kiev, Stupid Shit in the Philippines and the list goes on. These threads solved an age old problem on the site with keeping their review threads on topic as this is for overflow, plus many learn where certain posts belong and they place them here to start with. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Good point.
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[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2489163]Good point.[/QUOTE]Is a good plan, and probably makes the jobs of the admins easier.
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Brutal yea, but after all the Faux News rhetoric about Biden's health I don't feel bad about it at all.
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Different Strokes for Different Folks
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491741]I don't get why this is such a hard concept to grasp. If you want a girl that is not a hooker then get a girl that is not a hooker. Don't grab a hooker (from some "premium exclusive website") and imagine she is not a hooker when she sat there and fucked you because you gave her money. Definitions mean something. I have fucked tons of chicks that were not hookers, meaning I did not have to give them money for a taxi, I did not have to send money for their sick aunt, I did not have to buy their kid's school supplies. None of that bullshit you use as excuses to imagine you are not paying the girl to fuck you.
A few months back I was fucking a chick in Thailand that says she pays for the gold Tinder membership or whatever it is. She says there is some kind of way that she can choose the guys that are big spenders or something. This broad said that dudes sometimes give her $300 for a couple of hours. Meanwhile I am giving this chick $30 for all night. She even showed me her paypal of mfs sending money. Just because you found a hooker on a certain website does not mean she is a "special" kind of hooker. That broad is a regular old hooker like all the rest. There is no moderator on websites separating special hookers from all the rest.
That is a door that swings both ways. A mf like me comes along and gives the girl a dose of reality as well. A year ago I fucked a Dumbinican chick and I happened to message her last night. She went on about how she is no longer interested because the $20 I gave her was not enough and she is not a low class hooker. I said well you didn't tell me you were a hooker at all; you told me you own a salon. So I started picking at her how much would have been enough then. She asked for how much time. I said 2 days. She said $500. I started laughing and told her I would pass her number along to SJobs because I knew she was tired of getting high alone.[/QUOTE]You and Elvis are fishing in different waters so no point complaining about how he fishes or bragging about how many fish you caught. Elvis is looking for "supermodels" aka "10's" and flying them to him (I doubt Heidi Klum was side hustling for $100.00 USD for short time or long time while coming up in the modeling world though. Lots of girls are models, not many are supermodels. In Angeles, PI, you can bang Ms. San Miguel Scorebirds for less than $60 USD) You're looking for girls that will spend all night with you for 100,000 pesos (which is less than the market rate for short time). Elvis wants to spend the day with a girl and not have to worry about giving her half his assets; at least not yet and that's his business. He's read the warnings here and can make up his own mind. If he wants to invest in lottery tickets, that's up to him. You're fishing on the beach for tilapia and he's ocean fishing for tuna. Nothing wrong with either one. One person's goose liver is another's pate. Elvis might be a weekend millionaire and you might be Warren Buffet pinching pennies, but like you said, no one should tell another person how to spend their money (but then you contradict yourself and tell Elvis how not to spend his money).
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Its not conjecture. Its common sense and factual
But I have no interest in litigating your intellectual rubbish that has no foundation. I just care about f**king pussy at a cheap and reasonable price LOL.
Blakman.
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2491708]Is unproven, conjecture, and more mystical in belief than factual. I personally don't believe it "f**ks up the game" for anyone, other than if you want to make it personal and emotional. Every mongerer is free to do what works best for them. As I was writing this, I had one foto and one 7 minute video come in from one of my regular girls, just because she likes to do it, for free. As someone once posted about me here, "I'm special," No kidding. On contrast, I used to trade daily notes in my hotel with an old Lebanese dude who told me that he usually paid up front, overpaid, and half the time when he met the girls, if they showed, they might flash their boobs and not even let him touch them. Jajajaja, in a way I think he loved the self abuse. I don't believe either one of these scenarios on the opposite end of the spectrum has an effect what others pay. To each their own and everyone is responsible for their own path. The deals are individual and there is no coercion or Puta Union trying to use price controls jaja.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491787]You and Elvis are fishing in different waters so no point complaining about how he fishes or bragging about how many fish you caught. Elvis is looking for "supermodels" aka "10's" and flying them to him (I doubt Heidi Klum was side hustling for $100.00 USD for short time or long time while coming up in the modeling world though. Lots of girls are models, not many are supermodels. In Angeles, PI, you can bang Ms. San Miguel Scorebirds for less than $60 USD) You're looking for girls that will spend all night with you for 100,000 pesos (which is less than the market rate for short time). Elvis wants to spend the day with a girl and not have to worry about giving her half his assets; at least not yet and that's his business. He's read the warnings here and can make up his own mind. If he wants to invest in lottery tickets, that's up to him. You're fishing on the beach for tilapia and he's ocean fishing for tuna. Nothing wrong with either one. One person's goose liver is another's pate. Elvis might be a weekend millionaire and you might be Warren Buffet pinching pennies, but like you said, no one should tell another person how to spend their money (but then you contradict yourself and tell Elvis how not to spend his money).[/QUOTE]No one is telling Elvis how to spend his money. The "waters" are Colombia, and girls comparable to the ones in the pics he posted lookswise can be found for 12 to 30 dollars a pop, or no more than 60 if you want two hours. He sent out 1500 dollars a month for several months thinking he had girls on "retainer" or "sugar babies." On arrival one said she owed him nothing and the other overcharged him for a business fuck and beelined for the door. This is based on his reports. He can do whatever he wants, but we are free to comment on his posts any way we like within the forum rules and for the good of the community.
P.S. Heidi Klum? Whatever. LOL he did say he had Miss Colombia contestants and virgins dying to see him, so yea, we are all waiting with baited breath. Wink.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2491802]No one is telling Elvis how to spend his money. The "waters" are Colombia, and girls comparable to the ones in the pics he posted lookswise can be found for 12 to 30 dollars a pop, or no more than 60 if you want two hours. He sent out 1500 dollars a month for several months thinking he had girls on "retainer" or "sugar babies." On arrival one said she owed him nothing and the other overcharged him for a business fuck and beelined for the door. This is based on his reports. He can do whatever he wants, but we are free to comment on his posts any way we like within the forum rules and for the good of the community.
P.S. Heidi Klum? Whatever. LOL he did say he had Miss Colombia contestants and virgins dying to see him, so yea, we are all waiting with baited breath. Wink.[/QUOTE]All girls in Colombia are not the same. Why go to Medellin if you can find the same girl in Bogota? Why go to Centro to casas and clubs if they're the same as the girls in Centro? Is a girl who bangs 2 guys a week on SA the same as a girl who bangs 10 in Centro? You think the girls Elvis was talking to are the same as girls you've found in other places for less. Others disagree. "You're entitled to your opinion but not entitled to making up your own facts" (LOL) Some guys say I fucked someone who could have been Ms. Colombia. And people will agree and disagree with them. To avoid all doubt, some guys pay extra and fuck Ms. Colombia. As long as they're not asking you for money to do it, let them enjoy their journey. Like I said, different strokes for different folks. Your way isn't the only way.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491787]You and Elvis are fishing in different waters so no point complaining about how he fishes or bragging about how many fish you caught. Elvis is looking for "supermodels" aka "10's" and flying them to him[/QUOTE]You mean like the supermodels in the pictures that he included with the report? Yeah okay. He could not even get the chick to take a taxi to an adjacent neighborhood, but you are talking about having a chick catching a plane to come see him somewhere. We must be reading very different reports.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491787]no one should tell another person how to spend their money (but then you contradict yourself and tell Elvis how not to spend his money).[/QUOTE]I never told Elvis how not to spend his money. I merely highlighted the results of how he has spent it for others that may be heading toward that path. The main result is that you are going to get used. I get it though. Some people need to feel needed. A recurring theme of his posts is how he keeps throwing money at chicks, but still can not get them to do what he wants.
A few months back there was a news story about that American guy that sent the chick in Barranquilla thousands of dollars and when he arrived trying to get his fuck on she said oh we are just friends and did not even let him smell the pussy. He goes around trying to give her a bad name when his dumb ass was the one sending the money. He was not scammed. He just needed to feel needed and thought sending money would accomplish that. It will not.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491813]All girls in Colombia are not the same. Why go to Medellin if you can find the same girl in Bogota? Why go to Centro to casas and clubs if they're the same as the girls in Centro? Is a girl who bangs 2 guys a week on SA the same as a girl who bangs 10 in Centro? You think the girls Elvis was talking to are the same as girls you've found in other places for less. .[/QUOTE]He posted the pictures himself. Everybody else saw them. Why are you acting like you did not? Which one of those SA girls that he posted resembles Miss Colombia in the slightest bit or something other than the average run of the mill Colombiana? Furthermore how would you, Elvis, or any of us know how many guys per week any girl is banging? Because that is what she told us? Probably just what we assumed because she was on a website that we had to pay $80/month for.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2491763]Many mongering hubs have puta unions, but when guys on here try to set reasonable rates for a certain hub, why are there always ISG members no less.
That must object and try to defend paying the hideous looking monger surcharge are they really that ugly and / or stoopid?[/QUOTE]Likely they are both. But its the stoopid (and pathetically insecure and inexperienced with women) that drains their wallets and their dignity.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2491238]This is continued from the Bogota forum.
I was due to spend the night with Stefany a tall lanky and very horny girl from Barranquilla. She has asked me to fly her to Medellin so she could stay with her cousin and get away from her super strict parents. When she came to my hotel room, it was like a reunion with a girlfriend. After dinner, she took care of me and the bedroom and she was insistent on blowing me and gave me and effort that is outlawed in the sex prison. When I finally climaxed, she swallowed ever drop, smiled and said, "I missed the taste of your cum."[/QUOTE]He also mentioned flying girls from Colombia to Mexico. "You're entitled to your own opinion but not entitled to making up your own facts. " Thanks for giving me a chance to say that again LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491818]You mean like the supermodels in the pictures that he included with the report? Yeah okay. He could not even get the chick to take a taxi to an adjacent neighborhood, but you are talking about having a chick catching a plane to come see him somewhere. We must be reading very different reports.
I never told Elvis how not to spend his money. I merely highlighted the results of how he has spent it for others that may be heading toward that path. The main result is that you are going to get used. I get it though. Some people need to feel needed. A recurring theme of his posts is how he keeps throwing money at chicks, but still can not get them to do what he wants.
A few months back there was a news story about that American guy that sent the chick in Barranquilla thousands of dollars and when he arrived trying to get his fuck on she said oh we are just friends and did not even let him smell the pussy. He goes around trying to give her a bad name when his dumb ass was the one sending the money. He was not scammed. He just needed to feel needed and thought sending money would accomplish that. It will not.
He posted the pictures himself. Everybody else saw them. Why are you acting like you did not? Which one of those SA girls that he posted resembles Miss Colombia in the slightest bit or something other than the average run of the mill Colombiana? Furthermore how would you, Elvis, or any of us know how many guys per week any girl is banging? Because that is what she told us? Probably just what we assumed because she was on a website that we had to pay $80/month for.[/QUOTE]People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Your photos aren't breaking the internet either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To Elvis, his girls are supermodels and 10's. And some people may agree with him. I'm not one of them. I pointed out supermodels don't sleep with handsome, fit, geniuses likes us for $100 per night. But they should. You're happy in your lane. Elvis is happy in his lane. He's sharing his experiences which is what this site is for. Some people may follow Elvis. Some people may follow your advice. But that's their decision. Telling guys not to give girls money because it will end badly, and then gloating "I told you so", doesn't help anyone.
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[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2491822]Likely they are both. But its the stoopid (and pathetically insecure and inexperienced with women) that drains their wallets and their dignity.[/QUOTE]"When you resort to attacking the messenger instead of the message, you have lost the debate. " Or in your style of discourse (in the key of Napoleon Dynamite) "You're an ad hominem fallacy!" Yes, you're a genius, Chris Hemsworth looking guy, who has women hanging on your every word, but trolls for cheap hookers in third world countries because that's how you roll. And the rest of us are lucky you've taken a few minutes out of your busy day advising the Donald, raking in billions from your Buffet esque stock trades, and correcting Hawking's theorems, to show tough love on the rest of us Quasimodo look-a-likes. Methinks thou doth protest too much, sir.
"Rich people value time, poor people waste it. " I can spend hours begging a girl to lower her rate. (Very dignified and confident) I can settle for a not so hot girl who accepts my offer. (Exemplifying my vast experience with women) Or I can pay the extra $10 and have a good time. I'll pay the extra $10. (because I'm super ugly, stoopid and pathetic, but an extra $10 makes me as attractive, smart and confident as you to the girl)
I can always make more money. I can't make more time.
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I am not an intellectual, but yeah sometimes I am too intelligent for my own good
[QUOTE=Blakman;2491788]But I have no interest in litigating your intellectual rubbish that has no foundation. I just care about f**king pussy at a cheap and reasonable price LOL.
Blakman.[/QUOTE]I will speak up every time when I see someone trying to tell others how to behave as a cover for what they want for themselves.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491834]People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Your photos aren't breaking the internet either. [/QUOTE]You have no logic. I never claimed them to be when he did. I have never put chicks on a pedastal and have actually preached against guys doing it. I have always said that 99% of chicks are average everyday without all that shit they throw on, and I prefer them without the shit. Stop throwing in things that people have not said and attributing it to them in order to make your argument.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491834]Elvis is happy in his lane.[/QUOTE]So why is he complaining about not getting what he pre-paid for?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491895]You have no logic. I never claimed them to be when he did. I have never put chicks on a pedastal and have actually preached against guys doing it. I have always said that 99% of chicks are average everyday without all that shit they throw on, and I prefer them without the shit. Stop throwing in things that people have not said and attributing it to them in order to make your argument.
So why is he complaining about not getting what he pre-paid for?[/QUOTE]You accused me of making things up about Elvis flying girls to see him. I quoted his post and said stop making up facts. Your response is I'm making up facts and I have no logic? So you're the one who coached the Donald for the first debate.
I assumed you were posting photos of girls because you thought they were attractive (because that's what guys do) and you wanted others to see the attractive girls you were getting for $30 per night. I pointed out guys weren't prematurely ejaculating all over their phone and laptop screens once they saw your photos so yours weren't exactly Britney spears getting out of a car without panties. Your response that I have no logic would mean that you're actually posting photos of girls you don't find attractive, because you want guys to know that you're paying money to fuck ugly girls? (because. That's. What. Guys. Do?) Which one is more logical, guy posts photos of girls he thinks other guys will find attractive or guy posts photos of girls he doesn't like and should be ashamed of paying money to fuck? You don't have to call the girls hot, it's inferred when you share the photos. Also, I think you have called girls "hot" when referencing your photos, but you post so much that I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.
Sure, Elvis complained and may be disappointed by some of the girls, but he was also pleased with some of the girls. Also out of a 10 day trip, he's only on day 4. So let's not rush to judge whether he's changing his life outlook based on his recent trip. Complaining doesn't mean someone is unhappy in their lane. You complain a lot, does that mean you're unhappy?
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]You accused me of making things up about Elvis flying girls to see him.[/QUOTE]Are you high or are you just trolling? I am talking about you making things up and attributing them to me saying it. I never said you made anything up about Elvis.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]I assumed you were posting photos of girls because you thought they were attractive (because that's what guys do) and you wanted others to see the attractive girls you were getting for $30 per night.[/QUOTE]Now I get it. You are assuming things on my behalf instead of sticking to the facts of what I actually said and posted.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]Your response that I have no logic would mean that you're actually posting photos of girls you don't find attractive, because you want guys to know that you're paying money to fuck ugly girls?[/QUOTE]I post photos that are relevant to my report, not on the basis of whether the reader may find them attractive or not. And not all the pics that I post are of paid chicks. I fuck a lot more free ones than paid ones.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]Also, I think you have called girls "hot" when referencing your photos, but you post so much that I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.[/QUOTE]LOL.. Here you go assuming again. I am a Black guy and we do not use the word "hot" when referring to how a chick looks. So you are wrong again sir. Please stick to what you actually see in writing and not what you assume has been written when making your commentaries. Of course you will not waste your time looking for actual facts, when it is much easier for you to make them up yourself.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]You complain a lot, does that mean you're unhappy?[/QUOTE]I now see that you are an actual troll. Where is the post that I have complained in? I am always the one wondering and trying to figure out why guys are having so much trouble because I never have half the problems that guys report about. Let us know when you find the post of me saying I paid a chick but did not get what I bargained for. Or you could just go ahead and make it up as you usually do.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491895]Stop throwing in things that people have not said and attributing it to them in order to make your argument.[/QUOTE]Ahh yes, the old straw man, and most commonly used fallacy in internet disputes. The discussion is essentially derailed because so much time has to be used correcting the false attributions.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491901]You accused me of making things up about Elvis flying girls to see him. I quoted his post and said stop making up facts. Your response is I'm making up facts and I have no logic? So you're the one who coached the Donald for the first debate.
I assumed you were posting photos of girls because you thought they were attractive (because that's what guys do) and you wanted others to see the attractive girls you were getting for $30 per night. I pointed out guys weren't prematurely ejaculating all over their phone and laptop screens once they saw your photos so yours weren't exactly Britney spears getting out of a car without panties. Your response that I have no logic would mean that you're actually posting photos of girls you don't find attractive, because you want guys to know that you're paying money to fuck ugly girls? (because. That's. What. Guys. Do?) Which one is more logical, guy posts photos of girls he thinks other guys will find attractive or guy posts photos of girls he doesn't like and should be ashamed of paying money to fuck? You don't have to call the girls hot, it's inferred when you share the photos. Also, I think you have called girls "hot" when referencing your photos, but you post so much that I'm not going to waste my time looking for it.
Sure, Elvis complained and may be disappointed by some of the girls, but he was also pleased with some of the girls. Also out of a 10 day trip, he's only on day 4. So let's not rush to judge whether he's changing his life outlook based on his recent trip. Complaining doesn't mean someone is unhappy in their lane. You complain a lot, does that mean you're unhappy?[/QUOTE]Since I'm, for once, not involved in this senseless argument, I might as well run the concessions.
You're barking up the wrong tree on this one. While Mr. E has his faults and occasionally needs called out on things, this isn't one of those times.
Half of his photos are Whatsapp screen grabs related to his posts. I don't recall him ever referring to a girl as "hot", or any direct compliment. And if he's not happy with the situation he sends the girl packing. At least that's been my take on his posts.
He's a no-frills guy. He writes about how cheap his hotel was and how little he spends on the girls. He mentions the professions of some of the non-pro girls, but that's about the extent of it. And they're all normal professions, nurse, teacher. He boosts his ego through the number of girls and how frugal he was.
Elvis on the other hand, deals in superlatives. If the woman is a student, she's studying something more prestigious than teaching or nursing. If she's employed, she's working a high income, white collar job. She's almost always, according to him a 10 and is described in a way to invoke envy.
Instead of going the cheap route, he sends money in advance to the girls. I have no problem with that. However, as he seems to have experienced, money sent doesn't buy you anything. If you're sending money thinking it gives you some special advantage or access, you are likely to experience disappointment. He buys plane tickets and takes girls to resorts. Everything about his reports shows a desire to impress, the girls and the forum. That's his way of feeding his ego.
However, there are times when his reports don't coincide with the evidence he provides. The pictures are almost always the pics girls use on their Tinder or SA profiles. I don't recall a single one that he obviously took. And the pictures don't match his descriptions. This current batch all appear to be just your typical Colombian women.
If you haven't been to Colombia, beautiful women are everywhere. I used to play a game on my daily 10 minute walk to the metro. I called it the "fuckability index. " Every woman I saw, who wasn't obviously too young, or too old for my interest, I would ask myself "would I fuck her?" The results were always over 80%, with over 100 yes votes. If I try that in the US, 40% is a good day.
The good news is, if you go to Colombia you'll have no problem fucking beautiful women. The bad news is, if you're calling all your girls "10's", "supermodels" and "Miss Colombia contestants", your pictures need to be:
1. Something that could only be taken by you.
2. Of someone who is much more beautiful than the average prepago.
Otherwise people are going to call you out.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2491950]Since I'm, for once, not involved in this senseless argument, I might as well run the concessions.
He's a no-frills guy. He writes about how cheap his hotel was and how little he spends on the girls. He mentions the professions of some of the non-pro girls, but that's about the extent of it. And they're all normal professions, nurse, teacher. He boosts his ego through the number of girls and how frugal he was.
Elvis on the other hand, deals in superlatives. If the woman is a student, she's studying something more prestigious than teaching or nursing. If she's employed, she's working a high income, white collar job. She's almost always, according to him a 10 and is described in a way to invoke envy.
Instead of going the cheap route, he sends money in advance to the girls. I have no problem with that. However, as he seems to have experienced, money sent doesn't buy you anything. If you're sending money thinking it gives you some special advantage or access, you are likely to experience disappointment. He buys plane tickets and takes girls to resorts. Everything about his reports shows a desire to impress, the girls and the forum. That's his way of feeding his ego.
However, there are times when his reports don't coincide with the evidence he provides. The pictures are almost always the pics girls use on their Tinder or SA profiles. I don't recall a single one that he obviously took. And the pictures don't match his descriptions. This current batch all appear to be just your typical Colombian women.
[/QUOTE]My original post was let Mr. E and Elvis do as they each please. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. No point attacking each other because you think someone spends too much or someone spends too little.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2491913]Are you high or are you just trolling? I am talking about you making things up and attributing them to me saying it. I never said you made anything up about Elvis.
[/QUOTE]"Originally Posted by MrEnternational. You mean like the supermodels in the pictures that he included with the report? Yeah okay. He could not even get the chick to take a taxi to an adjacent neighborhood, but you are talking about having a chick catching a plane to come see him somewhere. We must be reading very different reports. ".
Take your memory pills. Like I said, you incorrectly accused me of making things up first. I showed you the post where Elvis talked about flying a girl to Medellin. Rather than acknowledge your mistake you decided to change the subject to the attractiveness of the girls in Elvis photos. When I responded that your photos weren't earth shattering either, you complained you never said they were. So I asked, who posts photos of fuglies? For a guy who's only posting photos because they're "relevant", you sure have taken a lot of offense. My whole point was beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To Elvis his girls are supermodels. Your girls are "relevant" You're both happy, so let it go.
Yes, I could search your 10,000 posts to prove you wrong, again, but you'd just forget or ignore it so I won't waste my time. You're complaining about guys calling girls supermodels when you don't believe they are, you're complaining about guys prepaying for girls, you're complaining about guys paying too much for girls. Etc. Etc.
"Don't worry, be happy".
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2491946]Ahh yes, the old straw man, and most commonly used fallacy in internet disputes. The discussion is essentially derailed because so much time has to be used correcting the false attributions.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man[/URL][/QUOTE]A scarecrow pointing out the straw man. Irony.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2492001]My original post was let Mr. E and Elvis do as they each please. Different strokes for different folks. Live and let live. No point attacking each other because you think someone spends too much or someone spends too little.
"Originally Posted by MrEnternational. You mean like the supermodels in the pictures that he included with the report? Yeah okay. He could not even get the chick to take a taxi to an adjacent neighborhood, but you are talking about having a chick catching a plane to come see him somewhere. We must be reading very different reports. ".
Take your memory pills. Like I said, you incorrectly accused me of making things up first. I showed you the post where Elvis talked about flying a girl to Medellin. Rather than acknowledge your mistake you decided to change the subject to the attractiveness of the girls in Elvis photos. When I responded that your photos weren't earth shattering either, you complained you never said they were. So I asked, who posts photos of fuglies? For a guy who's only posting photos because they're "relevant", you sure have taken a lot of offense. My whole point was beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To Elvis his girls are supermodels. Your girls are "relevant" You're both happy, so let it go.
Yes, I could search your 10,000 posts to prove you wrong, again, but you'd just forget or ignore it so I won't waste my time. You're complaining about guys calling girls supermodels when you don't believe they are, you're complaining about guys prepaying for girls, you're complaining about guys paying too much for girls. Etc. Etc.
"Don't worry, be happy".[/QUOTE]I must take note of how very unhappy you sound in this emotionally charged, whiny rant.
For myself, laughing at the missteps of delusional twerps like Elvis, who constantly tries to impress the forum members here while simultaneously stepping on his dick is a source of great amusement. Laughter makes me happy, and I try not to go a day without it! Lololol.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2492001]You're complaining about guys calling girls supermodels when you don't believe they are, you're complaining about guys prepaying for girls, you're complaining about guys paying too much for girls. Etc. Etc.[/QUOTE]You win because I now understand English is not your first languange so you are having some difficulty with definitions and I have to treat you like the retarded kid in the class.
Complain: express dissatisfaction or annoyance about something.
Once again, I complained about nothing. I merely pointed out bullshit.
Supermodel: a highly paid fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling.
Did you recognize or were you able to name any of these supposed supermodels that Elvis posted? Once again do they even look remotely like some supermodel that you know and would cause you to confuse them for a supermodel? Yeah that is because they are not fucking supermodels. Words mean something. You don't get to pick and choose and alter what words mean to fit your narrative.
This shit is like The Emperor's New Clothes. Let's act like something that isn't really is so people feel good. I am not a political guy but that is some modern day liberal shit. Let's act like these men with makeup and long hair and dresses on are really females. And if you do not go along with it then something is wrong with you and you need to be burned at the stake. You have come to the rescue of Elvis just like he tries to come to the rescue of those hookers. Unfortunately, in neither case has it worked out.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492045] Words mean something. You don't get to pick and choose and alter what words mean to fit your narrative.
This shit is like The Emperor's New Clothes. Let's act like something that isn't really is so people feel good. I am not a political guy but that is some modern day liberal shit.[/QUOTE]I was with you right up until you decided to contradict yourself and posted something silly. Anytime I see or hear someone say, " I am not _ BUT" I know some BS is about to follow. I will just about guarantee you that for every "liberal shit" that fits your definition, I can find an equal version of some "conservative shit" to fit your narrative. This is one of those times, with "shit" is truly apolitical.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2491834]To Elvis, his girls are supermodels and 10's. And some people may agree with him. I'm not one of them.[/QUOTE]No, Flak, I really am not exaggerating the looks of the women. The photos are just not that flattering. If I had to commit to one, and she is the last one I will write about, she is the least attractive from a physical POV.
A 10 is a 10 not just based on what I say. When I picked up one woman at the airport, all the taxi guys were screaming and whistling at her. That is a 10. A 10 is so intimidating that just if she smiles at a guy with another woman, it will drive that other woman into a jealous rage. When I am with a 10, I expect every non gay guy to stare at her. I want other men to comment on her beauty not just me and say "Damn!" Even though I talk about all these 10's, it is because I work so hard to find them. There were so many who were tied up before Corona, and I was having a hard time finding any.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491834]I pointed out supermodels don't sleep with handsome, fit, geniuses likes us for $100 per night. But they should.[/QUOTE]You are putting a price on a woman as if that is all that matters, and it is not. Kiara did not sleep me with for a $100. She slept with me for the potential of getting other things including thousands more, and you are underselling yourself Flak, and I know. I was selling myself short for decades. Your attitude should be the women should be lucky to be sleeping with you. It is easily said but I hope some day you get to feeling that way because it is true.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2491834]You're happy in your lane. Elvis is happy in his lane. He's sharing his experiences which is what this site is for. Some people may follow Elvis. Some people may follow your advice. But that's their decision. Telling guys not to give girls money because it will end badly, and then gloating "I told you so", doesn't help anyone.[/QUOTE]You are totally right Flak and thanks for the support. I have not finished but it did not end badly. Mr. E is just insecure with his intelligence and most of his posts are a variation of how smart he is and how stupid others are. He makes decisions too quickly and instead of correcting them will read whatever he wants to fit his point of view.
When he says "I told you so", that is for him not for me nor for you. I am playing a new game, and he does not understand the rules and is scared by it. He is paying women for services. You are limiting your downside with that, but you are also limiting your upside. I am making investments which means sometimes you will see them crap out and sometimes you make a killing. It is not a game for the weak minded and weak willed, and he is scared he is missing out so he puts it down.
Paulie is afraid of the world and he compensates for it with pomposity and just flat out lying. I scare the hell out of him because I see through his BS. He quotes logic as if he is rational but is one of the most illogical and emotional people on here. He may post useful information but only if it makes him look good. I actually prefer Mr. E to him because at least with Mr. E, there is action. Paulie is intelligent but he will write a thesis justifying his inaction.
JJBee is not in the same class as these two. His posts are not as self serving, he actually tries to help people, but he is prone to arrogance, and a lot of his posts are not to help but to show off. We do share something that I wish I was better at, a pathologic need to be right even when being right is irrelevant. Even though we have insulted each other, I have respect for him, and he is not ruled by fear like the other two.
We are supposed to be sharing information about getting laid (the good, the bad, the ugly) and two of these three want to make it about them. If you are honest about women and the game, you will swing and miss and sometimes you will swing and hit a home run. If I swing and miss, these two will say, "You just struck out." If I hit a homerun, they will say, "That looks like a single to me."
Thing is I think most people know that about them by now. If they were not like that, I would be worried about their health.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492045]You win because I now understand English is not your first languange so you are having some difficulty with definitions and I have to treat you like the retarded kid in the class.
Complain: express dissatisfaction or annoyance about something.
Once again, I complained about nothing. I merely pointed out bullshit.
Supermodel: a highly paid fashion model who usually has a worldwide reputation and often a background in haute couture and commercial modeling.
Did you recognize or were you able to name any of these supposed supermodels that Elvis posted? Once again do they even look remotely like some supermodel that you know and would cause you to confuse them for a supermodel? Yeah that is because they are not fucking supermodels. Words mean something. You don't get to pick and choose and alter what words mean to fit your narrative.
This shit is like The Emperor's New Clothes. Let's act like something that isn't really is so people feel good. I am not a political guy but that is some modern day liberal shit. Let's act like these men with makeup and long hair and dresses on are really females. And if you do not go along with it then something is wrong with you and you need to be burned at the stake. You have come to the rescue of Elvis just like he tries to come to the rescue of those hookers. Unfortunately, in neither case has it worked out.[/QUOTE]Take more memory pills. I was one of the first people to point out supermodels don't sleep with guys for $100 per night.
Ouchie, you hurt my feelings. You called me stoopid. Okay, Mr. Einstein, you're not "complaining". You whine, pontificate, grumble, reproach, denounce, preach, lecture, criticize, nag, etc. Etc. Or if you prefer more modern parlance whambulance and *itch. I'm just calling bullshit on your bullshit. If you can't take the heat stay outta the kitchen.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2492060]Take more memory pills. I was one of the first people to point out supermodels don't sleep with guys for $100 per night. [/QUOTE]And we aren't seeing any super models, just average Colombian girls as to the photos thus far. The same treated your pal like a stranger when he finally saw them even though he was feeding them 1500 a month in WUs for several months. And you want to whimper and whine because someone points this out? Well tough shit buddy. LOL.
[QUOTE=Flak3;2492060]You whine, pontificate, grumble, reproach, denounce, preach, lecture, criticize, nag, etc. Etc.[/QUOTE]Huh? This is you in a nutshell. And why are you so defensive? You must do the same thing as Elvis, send Westerns Unions overseas acting like the bigshot you aren't trying to buy a girlfriend only to get laughed at and shit on. Then when you get laughed at again by your peers in a forum like this you want to cry foul some more. Waaa Waaa Well no one should have any sympathy for you. And in fact we will continue to hold such up as negative examples no matter how much you kick and scream. Get used to it.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2492071]And we aren't seeing any super models, just average Colombian girls as to the photos thus far. The same treated your pal like a stranger when he finally saw them even though he was feeding them 1500 a month in WUs for several months. And you want to whimper and whine because someone points this out? Well tough shit buddy. LOL.
Huh? This is you in a nutshell. And why are you so defensive? You must do the same thing as Elvis, send Westerns Unions overseas acting like the bigshot you aren't trying to buy a girlfriend only to get laughed at and shit on. Then when you get laughed at again by your peers in a forum like this you want to cry foul some more. Waaa Waaa Well no one should have any sympathy for you. And in fact we will continue to hold such up as negative examples no matter how much you kick and scream. Get used to it.[/QUOTE]You win, you are the toughest keyboard warrior. Calling yourself my peer was a cut so deep I cannot recover. As the last light from my screen slowly fades, my last words to you, find joy in your own life instead of looking for joy in the misery of others.
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I am starting to think Elvis just has a good imagination.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2491950]Since I'm, for once, not involved in this senseless argument, I might as well run the concessions.
You're barking up the wrong tree on this one. While Mr. E has his faults and occasionally needs called out on things, this isn't one of those times.
Half of his photos are Whatsapp screen grabs related to his posts. I don't recall him ever referring to a girl as "hot", or any direct compliment. And if he's not happy with the situation he sends the girl packing. At least that's been my take on his posts.
He's a no-frills guy. He writes about how cheap his hotel was and how little he spends on the girls. He mentions the professions of some of the non-pro girls, but that's about the extent of it. And they're all normal professions, nurse, teacher. He boosts his ego through the number of girls and how frugal he was.
Elvis on the other hand, deals in superlatives. If the woman is a student, she's studying something more prestigious than teaching or nursing. If she's employed, she's working a high income, white collar job. She's almost always, according to him a 10 and is described in a way to invoke envy.
Instead of going the cheap route, he sends money in advance to the girls. I have no problem with that. However, as he seems to have experienced, money sent doesn't buy you anything. If you're sending money thinking it gives you some special advantage or access, you are likely to experience disappointment. He buys plane tickets and takes girls to resorts. Everything about his reports shows a desire to impress, the girls and the forum. That's his way of feeding his ego.
However, there are times when his reports don't coincide with the evidence he provides. The pictures are almost always the pics girls use on their Tinder or SA profiles. I don't recall a single one that he obviously took. And the pictures don't match his descriptions. This current batch all appear to be just your typical Colombian women.
If you haven't been to Colombia, beautiful women are everywhere. I used to play a game on my daily 10 minute walk to the metro. I called it the "fuckability index. " Every woman I saw, who wasn't obviously too young, or too old for my interest, I would ask myself "would I fuck her?" The results were always over 80%, with over 100 yes votes. If I try that in the US, 40% is a good day.
The good news is, if you go to Colombia you'll have no problem fucking beautiful women. The bad news is, if you're calling all your girls "10's", "supermodels" and "Miss Colombia contestants", your pictures need to be:
1. Something that could only be taken by you.
2. Of someone who is much more beautiful than the average prepago.
Otherwise people are going to call you out.[/QUOTE]
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Hmm hmm hmm
Y'all can brag whatever about COL, I am still waiting anyone to show me a 8/10 that you have scored.
(I am not asking for 10/10, start with an 8.).
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492045]You have come to the rescue of Elvis just like he tries to come to the rescue of those hookers. Unfortunately, in neither case has it worked out.[/QUOTE]Touche X 100.
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This really is stupid shit.
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[QUOTE=Kafka;2492117]I am starting to think Elvis just has a good imagination.[/QUOTE]Your using the word think Kafka is an oxymoron. You just recommended someone go to the Clock Tower to find women. I was just there. There are no women there.
Paulie said I did not understand present value because you could find a woman as hot as Kiera at a strip club. The strip clubs are closed.
JJBee said my paying money did not grant me any special access. 100% of the women I paid and asked to show up eventually did so. According to this math genius, 100% is not good enough.
And my personal favorite is Mr. E chastising me over the use of the word super model because words means stuff. He looks up the wiki page and leaves off this part, "Supermodels have multimillion-dollar contracts. " he got me on that one. I didn't see a model earning seven figures. Thanks for clearing that up Mr. E. I think that there was a lot of confusion about that.
I am just paraphrasing the inaccurate and incredibly stupid things the four of you said. I am glad that I have united you all in the "we are not stupid, Elvis" club.
I am going to have so much fun with this from now on.
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[QUOTE=SkyRyder;2492049]I was with you right up until you decided to contradict yourself and posted something silly. Anytime I see or hear someone say, " I am not _ BUT" I know some BS is about to follow. I will just about guarantee you that for every "liberal shit" that fits your definition, I can find an equal version of some "conservative shit" to fit your narrative. This is one of those times, with "shit" is truly apolitical.[/QUOTE]Well that is a dumb presupposition. If I say I am not much into skinny girls, but the way her ass was poking out I just had to have her or I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I did manage to squeak my way through school earning a doctorate, you would have known BS was to follow because I said I am not and but? Where are the contradictions in the above statements?
Let me guess. Had I said something adverse to the conservative ideology it would not have been silly at all and you would not have said there was BS to follow? Well let me inform you that I am not a member of any political party and I will be voting for Republicans and Democrats alike in the upcoming elections in my country. I reserve the right to praise and criticize each party equally. As far as my beliefs, there should not even be parties. Each person should have to run on their own ideas and merits, not those of a collective they signed up for.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492226]
Let me guess. Had I said something adverse to the conservative ideology it would not have been silly at all and you would not have said there was BS to follow? Well let me inform you that I am not a member of any political party and I will be voting for Republicans and Democrats alike in the upcoming elections in my country. I reserve the right to praise and criticize each party equally. As far as my beliefs, there should not even be parties. Each person should have to run on their own ideas and merits, not those of a collective they signed up for.[/QUOTE]Actually I owe you and the board a huge apology for allowing "yanqui" politics to ooze like the slime it is onto this board of all places. I will say that I would agree with your second sentence, however your supposition in the first one above missed the mark by a very wide margin. I am reminded about the story of collecting red and black ants and putting them in a jar. There is not a problem until someone starts shaking the jar and all hell breaks loose. They go after each other until all are dead, and not one the the ants had done a thing to start the fight. A force completely removed was the cause. My feeling about life in the USA these days is we are all "ants" and some outside force is the causal reason for the polarity currently being displayed. I will now revert to the issue at hand. How to best find pleasure in the bosoms of attractive ladies from the world over.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2492185]Your using the word think Kafka is an oxymoron. You just recommended someone go to the Clock Tower to find women. I was just there. There are no women there.
Paulie said I did not understand present value because you could find a woman as hot as Kiera at a strip club. The strip clubs are closed.
JJBee said my paying money did not grant me any special access. 100% of the women I paid and asked to show up eventually did so. According to this math genius, 100% is not good enough.
And my personal favorite is Mr. E chastising me over the use of the word super model because words means stuff. He looks up the wiki page and leaves off this part, "Supermodels have multimillion-dollar contracts. " he got me on that one. I didn't see a model earning seven figures. Thanks for clearing that up Mr. E. I think that there was a lot of confusion about that.
I am just paraphrasing the inaccurate and incredibly stupid things the four of you said. I am glad that I have united you all in the "we are not stupid, Elvis" club.
I am going to have so much fun with this from now on.[/QUOTE]Seriously. Go see a doctor. There is an obvious neurological problem you need to have checked out.
I never said that you sending money did not grant you any special access. Where the fuck do you get this shit?
I said, as I've said before and will inevitably have to say again, "sending money doesn't buy you anything. " No matter how much or how often you send money to hookers (I'll explain that concept shortly) there is no guarantee you will gain anything. You've already confirmed, in your own reports, the truth of my statement.
However, let's indulge your hallucination for a moment and assume I said "sending them money didn't grant you any special access. " Prove definitively that had you sent nothing at all, and merely carried on a conversation for the past 6 months, that the women would not have shown up and did all the same things.
How do you prove that sending money got you anything? That's a serious question. With the help of a couple of friends I can demonstrate the benefits of tipping in a restaurant or bar. I can show there's a different reaction from the same waitresses depending on the behavior of a regular customer.
With those same friends I can demonstrate both the benefits and problems with sending money to different girls. But there's simply no way to back up your claim that sending money granted you special access.
Now to explain the concept of "hooker."
Over the years I've dated a lot of women, have been in several long term relationships and was even married 3 times. I am quite comfortable in declaring that, if after the first time I had sex with any of those women, if I had stuck some money in their purse, it not only would have been the last date, with some of them, I'd have ended up bloody and my local reputation would have been in the shitter.
If I had offered to pay the bills, tuition, car payment, rent, etc, for any of them, there would have been an argument and I would be lucky if they ever talked to me again. The only exception would have been a short term loan for some verifiable emergency.
There's a simple reason. None of them were hookers. While several were happy to move in and let me pay the bills, not one (okay there was one) would have let anyone pay them for sex.
Maybe the SD-SB thing is a different style of prostitution, but it's still prostitution. If you had to send money to a woman for 4-6 months, at a rate of hundreds of dollars per month, just to spend a few days fucking her, for which, at least in some cases, you paid more, and the going rate for a 24 stay is $100, then you're dealing with hookers, that make the Gusto prices look like El Centro street girl prices.
As I've always said, I don't care how much you pay, or send, or buy. It's your money. However, when you try to pass all this off as some sort of special access to some special class of girls, you're peddling Bullshit and calling it caviar.
Your description of how the girls were dressed when they showed up at your hotel puts the lie to your words (as does your story about the airport taxistas behavior). I lived in Colombia for a year, mostly sharing an apartment with the type of girl you claim all these girls are. No middle to upper class Colombian is going to show up at a strange gringo's hotel dressed like a hooker. You would have a helluva time finding one who would meet you at the hotel, other than to wait in the lobby for you to come down. She certainly isn't going straight to your room and fucking you.
Hookers? No problem. I always had to tell the hookers how to dress when they came to one of the apartments. They'll happily (often cluelessly) show up at your hotel dressed like a hooker. They'll happily go to your room and happily take your money, because that's what hookers do.
Now back to Kafka's post. He has a legitimate thought. He's certainly not the first to question how much of your posts are fantasy.
After all, the day after I posted that I was talking with 4 non-pros, one which I called "the model" because I feel she's one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen (and because she said she wants to be a model) and another who is a cheerleader (which really isn't exceptional. Cheer competition is big in Colombia), you posted that you were talking with a supermodel and a Miss Colombia contestant.
Not that models are hard to come by in Colombia. I've got at least a dozen either in Instagram, Facebook or my Whatsapp. Several of them are quite well known to the Medellin mongers.
However, your reports don't match the claims. Finding pictures of models and beauty contest contestants is easy. Anyone here can find and post the kind of pictures you've posted. I'm waiting for someone to post the same pictures, because we both know none of the photos were taken by you, or in your presence.
Now when someone like PN or Slapshot posts photos, you know who took the picture. You know the photo can't be found on SA or some other site. The same is true with almost everyone else who posts photos. One guy only posts money shots, one only posts ass pics. One guy always includes a pic of the girl flipping him off.
Only one of your pics looks like the sort of pic a hooker would send to a potential customer (none look like the pic a non-pro would send to a guy she's interested in). Of course that's of "the queen. ".
Everything about your description of your meeting with "the queen" screams "hooker. " Even the desk clerk recognized her as a hooker. She was dressed like a hooker. She went straight to your room and fucked like a hooker. Now you can call her what you want and claim she's unavailable, but we both know that she's ready to jump into bed with anyone who will pay the price.
Oh that's right, she left before you paid her anything (other than the 6 months of payments you already said you sent. Most of the guys here understand this concept. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I doubt you have many believers that the hooker stormed out without her pay.
So show us some of that extraordinary evidence. Then instead of everyone questioning whether or not you're full of shit, everyone can ooh and ahh over how incredible you are.
Assuming I manage to score with any of the (alleged) non-pros during my visit, I'll be providing something to lend credence to my claims (because I would never ask someone to do something I won't, other than my proctologist).
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The First two confirmed cases of Covid reinfection in the United States
Were just reported today. I wanted to point this out before someone else here made a misguided attempt at what this means. This changes nothing about everything I posted so far about prior infection conferring immunity. This bring the total worldwide number of confirmed cases of Covid reinfection to somewhere around two dozen, give or take. That's 24 cases of reinfection out of 48 million primary infections. Even if you are not a statistician, epidemiologist, or public health expert, those numbers should tell you there are better things to worry about than getting reinfected with Covid.
Call me when the number of reinfections goes over 100,000 and I will start to give it some attention. Remember, the exceptions prove the rule. Anyone who tells you otherwise, doesn't understand the science. This is not a static situation, I never said that myself and others like me who have recovered will be immune forever, although that is a possibility. But for now, we are. Look at outcomes, not processes, not theories. Ostee out.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2492387]I never said that you sending money did not grant you any special access.
I said, as I've said before and will inevitably have to say again, "sending money doesn't buy you anything. "
How do you prove that sending money got you anything? [/QUOTE]On the issue of if money works to get you access to women, you have said it never does, maybe it does but I need proof, and Elvis, I never told you the money you spent did not attract beautiful women. So on the issue of if money helps with women, you have said yes, no, and maybe. The amazing thing with you JJBee is that you think that you are clever instead of being what Paulie is, a nonsensical blowhard.
I have never used Tinder.
My reports are honest: the good, the bad, and the ugly, and that is why they provoke envy in people with you. I am glad you admitted it.
As for the women with jobs I see being "high income", two are unemployed. One works as a teacher making $400 a month, and I think the one you are referring to as highly paid is the Mexican lawyer. You do not understand how little Mexican lawyers make. She was making $1000 a month and is down to $500 now in a post Corona world.
My saying I see high income women is like Tinder. You are refuting not what I say but what you want to be true. That is how delusional you are.
I just showed the photo of a woman I met who literally won a beauty contest, and you called her ordinary.
Then you called her a hooker.
And then after I had given her money over the last few months and been conversing with her on a weekly basis somehow you come up with the idea that I am a stranger.
The funny part is the first thing she had me do when she came to my hotel room was to help her sister with her studies over the phone.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2492387]Over the years I've dated a lot of women, have been in several long term relationships and was even married 3 times.
If I had offered to pay the bills, tuition, car payment, rent, etc, for any of them, there would have been an argument and I would be lucky if they ever talked to me again. The only exception would have been a short term loan for some verifiable emergency.[/QUOTE]What is so funny with you JJBee is you make this incredible wise and intelligent comment. I agree with everything you wrote.
But why would you be so fucking stupid to think a six month quarantine is not a verifiable emergency?
And the answer is because you are not thinking. You are so emotionally caught up in the subject of being master of the game, you cannot admit someone is better at it than you.
One of your golden rules, money doesn't buy you anything, has been questioned, and you may have to face up to being wrong which you hate.
I had no problems saying Kiara was a kind of hooker, so why resist with the Queen? Because she is not one.
My giving her money opened up the door to intimate conversation and after talking to her some, she said that she was in love with me.
And running out the door without getting a dime is totally the action of a woman in love and not a hooker.
You are just coming up with all this stupid shit because there is a part of you that knows what I have posted is true.
As for your seeing the truth, that is up to you not to me.
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As for the concept of a hooker, you really do not get it. I have had sex with the woman. There is no expectation of anything. I put money in her purse. She leaves and then I text her and write "If you check your purse, I gave you a gift. " Gifts without strings after sex are fine; paying for sex with these women is not. You guys have no game.
As for my SBs being working girls, you are hurting my feelings here, dude. Sarc. What is the deal with johns and their desire for normalcy and to be at one with institutions? We are all here because the institutions failed us.
The reason men see prostitutes is because it is cheaper financially and emotionally. I pay them to leave right?
Here you are doing the female version of shaming. Women have engaged in behaviors that have trapped men into accepting things against us as societal norms. Once you have sex with a woman, you have to be monogamous. Sorry, I reject that. Another is that women have the choice to abandon a child but men do not. I reject that one too. Deadbeat dad? Fuck that. If I ever had a kid born out of wedlock, supporting that child is MY choice!
Then there is the happily ever after concept. I reject that as well. No one cares if men live happily ever after. That is for women. We are supposed to make them happy.
There are three kinds of relationships: mutualistic where both parties benefit, commensal where one party benefits but not at the expense of the other, and the last is parasitic.
I see non stop blubbering about women being in parasitic relationships but men? It is almost as if those relationships do not exist. In fact, the female parasites have one thing in common. Whenever a woman is unhappy, even if it is her own fucking fault, she will claim to be the victim. Society almost dictates that everything wrong in a relationship is men are assholes. Time and again, I see productive men in bad relationships wanting out being reasonable and women being fucking crazy, and I know why. These women are used to being paid for being fucking crazy.
There are instances where men seeing working girls are being selfish pricks, but I see far too often men just desperate to be in any kind of mutualistic relationship. In my eyes, a guy seeing a working girl is more wholesome to both sexes than a woman sucking a man dry.
And for all this talk of female equality, 1% of female millionaires made their money on their own. 99% of the time it was women climbing on the back of men.
While you are ridiculously focusing on societal norms, JJBee, the sugar baby relationship allows for a long term relationship that goes deeper than just cash for sex. So in marriage, women do not care about male earning potential? Men do not care about looks and sexual performance? The whole notion then that a legitimate marriage is so much more worthy than a sugar relationship is poppycock. Marriage often is a horrible deal for a man with good earning potential.
The beauty of a sugar relationship is its honesty. It allows for emotional commitment, but if one side cannot perform, the relationship can be ended without the drama of a breakup nor attorneys with a divorce.
The real reason women are not working girls in most cases is the stigma and degradation. It is one thing to accept money as a gift from a guy you like and treats you well, and it is something far different to be paid and pretend to like a hundred different men, some of whom are disgusting. Also, while society may not be as accepting of a sugar relationship over marriage, it will tolerate it far more than prostitution, and that allows for a much larger pool of women.
From my point of view, it allows me access to some of the best women, to form fulfilling emotional bonds, and to be in a situation where I get the emotional perks and not be monogamous.
The irony with sugar relationships though just like with all of the other ones I have had is that with intimacy I tend to give more and the other party gives less and less. It is like, "I am fucking you. What else do you want?" Maybe it is because the best women have so many men at their beck and call they can get away with this lack of effort. It was surprising though to actually find one woman who says, "I am going to fuck you so good that you will never look at another woman" and backs it up. With this one, I have to tell her to stop giving me massages, to stop giving me a BJ.
These women know if they really needed me, I would be there for them, but when I say "Hey, baby, I need a blowjob. ", the resistance of some of the women is way higher than it should be, and why is that? Because society tells women any time they are not 100% in the mood for sex, being "forced" to perform is rape. Just like with monogamy though, this needs to be trained out of these women for THEIR benefit because I am not going to support someone who does not please me. This is why so often I have to have come to Jesus meetings but good luck doing that with a GF or wife.
In summary, like almost every other guy, you are focused on the wrong thing, the label. Prostitute, SB, GF, wife is far less important then if the relationship is mutually beneficial. What is so fucked up with men like you JJBee is you are more interested in pleasing society than yourself. That is why probably why you have been divorced so often.
As for money, the whole notion that a sugar relationship is more expensive, I am not going to refute that. It is to my advantage for men to think that. There are a limited number of the best women.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2492594]On the issue of if money works to get you access to women, you have said it never does, maybe it does but I need proof, and Elvis, I never told you the money you spent did not attract beautiful women. So on the issue of if money helps with women, you have said yes, no, and maybe. The amazing thing with you JJBee is that you think that you are clever instead of being what Paulie is, a nonsensical blowhard.
I have never used Tinder.
My reports are honest: the good, the bad, and the ugly, and that is why they provoke envy in people with you. I am glad you admitted it.
As for the women with jobs I see being "high income", two are unemployed. One works as a teacher making $400 a month, and I think the one you are referring to as highly paid is the Mexican lawyer. You do not understand how little Mexican lawyers make. She was making $1000 a month and is down to $500 now in a post Corona world.
My saying I see high income women is like Tinder. You are refuting not what I say but what you want to be true. That is how delusional you are.
I just showed the photo of a woman I met who literally won a beauty contest, and you called her ordinary.
Then you called her a hooker.
And then after I had given her money over the last few months and been conversing with her on a weekly basis somehow you come up with the idea that I am a stranger.
The funny part is the first thing she had me do when she came to my hotel room was to help her sister with her studies over the phone.
What is so funny with you JJBee is you make this incredible wise and intelligent comment. I agree with everything you wrote.
But why would you be so fucking stupid to think a six month quarantine is not a verifiable emergency?
And the answer is because you are not thinking. You are so emotionally caught up in the subject of being master of the game, you cannot admit someone is better at it than you..[/QUOTE]Again, seek medical attention. Your ability to read and understand simple sentences is seriously impaired.
You keep saying I said things, which I never said, you take things, which even a child could understand, and wildly misinterpret them, then you accuse me of altering what you say. Either there is some cerebral anomaly, perhaps a tumor, affecting your cognitive function, or you're a fucking idiot. Check with a neurologist and he can tell you whether there's a physiological cause or it's just stupidity.
One of my golden rules? How deep was your head in your colon when you plucked that nugget? My golden rules are:
1. Do what the fuck you want.
2. Don't tell others what to do.
3. Don't cause unnecessary harm.
4. Don't try to convert me to your religion or politics.
Nothing about money makes the list. As for money never buying you anything, it bought me lunch not long ago. If I had known you were so engrossed in fecal matter, I would have sent a picture of what that food looks like now.
For the final time, you get no guarantee when sending a stranger money. You say that sending money to a woman, who you declared the hotel clerk recognized as a hooker, convinced her to come see you. Okay. I understand that is a possibility. After all if your looks match your intelligence, it makes perfect sense why it takes 6 months of bribes to get a woman into the same room as you.
Every one of the posts you write, when the bullshit in your original posts is questioned is full of ridiculous hearsay, which is supposed to validate your original fantasy. This goes all the way back to your Venezuelan in Peru. It's as predictable as the tide.
But nothing you (or anyone else) put in your posts is proof of anything. Here's a simple illustration:
"While we were camping in the mountains of Idaho, my friend's wife called a girl she knew, trying to set me up with her. The girl came and we fucked. I fucked her so good she paid me for the sex. ".
How does anyone know anything in that story is true? What can I add which proves I've ever been to Idaho, or camped in the mountains? If I said the girl gave me $100 and I used it to take everyone to breakfast in town, does that prove anything? What If I said her first name was the feminine equivalent of my middle name? Maybe if I said she was a coke dealer and had a mole on her thigh? How about "she asked me to come live with her and offered to support me?
The simple fact is, I can't prove any of that. Even if I sat you down with my friend and his ex-wife, and they both repeated the story, it's not proof of anything.
The same is true of every one of your claims. You keep insisting things are true and things are facts, yet you provide nothing other than more empty words. Then you are deluded enough to say everyone knows you're telling the truth. Literally not one single person has stepped up and declared they know every word of your posts is true.
You claim your supermodel's accomplishments, yet anyone can pick the same things and make the same claims. If you had bothered to develop a reputation for honesty and integrity, there might be less disbelief, but that opportunity is buried under about 5 tons of blatant dishonesty.
You claim your "queen" won a beauty contest, therefore she can't be a hooker. Apparently you miss every story about former beauty contestants (in major pagaents) accused of prostitution. There's a former Miss America who became a porn star. I remember a stripper friend who won a tattoo contest at a biker rally (Laughlin River Run). That doesn't prove she had a tattoo (she didn't. She won with a temporary tattoo).
First, you can't prove "the queen" ever won a pagaent. Even if you could, that has nothing to do with whether or not she's a hooker. Talking to her for 6 months doesn't make you an intimate acquaintance. The first girl I met in Colombia, in Bogotá, a non-pro, I had talked to almost every day for more than a year. The first time we met it was at a Transmilenio station and she had someone watching over her from a distance. I even suggested she meet me at my hotel and she reacted as if I had suggested she walk down Carrera 15 naked.
Hookers have no qualms about coming to your hotel or going to your room. It's a necessary part of earning their pay. A hooker has no problem about meeting you for the first time and staying the night. Again, all part of getting paid.
The rest of your story is unconfirmed bullshit.
You are reaping what you sowed. Remember all your claims that AIDS never happened? I was just reminded of that recently. I'm rereading "Imajica" by Clive Barker, published in 1991, in the height of the AIDS epidemic in the US. AIDS gets a small mention in the story, yet he does an incredible job of describing the progress of the disease. Remember my post about my volunteer work, along with my wife, with the AIDS, Art, Alive group in San Diego, including a few searchable details and descriptions of a few of the afflicted artists? Do you recall?
Do you recall how you declared everything I wrote was untrue? Remember how you exaggerated what I wrote, trying to make me look like a liar? Is that jogging any memories?
When you call someone else's posts nothing but lies, even when a simple search in the archives of any newspaper will confirm many of the details, you have surrendered the right to demand everyone accept every word, no matter how unbelievable or contradictory, with no means to verify any part of the story, as the gospel.
By your past actions you have placed yourself in a position where every word you write will be scrutinized and challenged.
Which brings us to my parting shot.
On more than one occasion you've flexed your "don't take no shit from women, everyone else is living in fear" attitude. Yet, you let "the queen" tell you "no" for sex, hid the fact you were in Colombia from one, lied about having Covid to another, snuck into the other room to try and keep one girl from finding out about another one.
Put on your dog collar and gimp mask. Not only are you paying 11 women, who in one post you claimed all came to see you, but in another that changed to 7 women (and it's all true), but you're letting each one of them dictate your actions.
Instead of "cough, cough. I'm sick, I can't see you" (after months of paying her), someone with testicles would have either shelled out a few more dollars to get some return on the "investment", or told her "I've given you enough for a bus ticket. Get your ass here."
Instead of letting a woman, who's spending the night in your bed, put you off for sex, someone not living in fear would have told her "I'm fucking tonight. If you don't want to be involved you need to find someplace else to sleep."
Instead of hiding from the one woman, any self-respecting man would have told her he was busy with other things and he would see her on the agreed day.
For all your "me Tarzan" posturing, you're a rather pathetic little boy. You're terrified one girl will find out about another. You keep sending money because that's the only way to get them to like you. You hide and simper and try to convince each of them of your devotion.
Keep at it little fellow. If nothing else, the contradictions are hilarious.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2492820]Certain things are objectively better than others. A steak at Morton's is better than Denny's.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. But when you pay a Wagyu A5 price for a Denny's steak and try to pass it off as a Morton's steak (or even worse, convince yourself into believing it) then that is just being plain disingenuous. The money you spent on it is not what makes it objectively better, but in your mind you have made it subjectively better and try to tout it as better when everybody else is like dude that is just a Denny's steak. Spending $10,000 on a coach seat does not make it a private jet.
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[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2492941]Really? You bust on this girl for trying to get roughly $6 instead of $3 for taxi? Better to pick your wars. If she's trying to con you into 600 K for a session when 200 K is a good day for her, that's one thing but come on man 3 bucks? Jajaj I have a favorite I sneak in, every other trip when my girl was in class. I would give her 20 K for the taxi and one day I followed her down stairs to give her a tube of VS lotion she forgot and I saw her running down the street to catch the bus. To her the 20 k was more valuable to her than the luxury of a taxi. I never said anything and I totally understand where she was coming from. She's a good kid, we have never even talked about how much or how long before or after, she just is happy with what I give her. Usually 200 + 20 for taxi. And she gives 100% every time I see her. My time with her is so hot she could probably get double from a lot of you guys because she's that good. I'll give her a gift from time to time but I don't change our price structure.[/QUOTE]You really want to start another OMG you pay XXX vs I pay XXX discussion? Didn't we just get over one recently here?
You pay what you want. I will pay what I want. If you really don't care that much about 3 dollars vs 6 dollars, I got a venmo account for you to send me 6 dollars for all of my girls taxis.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2492951]You really want to start another OMG you pay XXX vs I pay XXX discussion? Didn't we just get over one recently here?
You pay what you want. I will pay what I want. If you really don't care that much about 3 dollars vs 6 dollars, I got a venmo account for you to send me 6 dollars for all of my girls taxis.[/QUOTE]You probably also want to criticize me for never tipping. Please go ahead. And send me additional for all the tips I never leave. After all its only 3 dollars.
One of my best friends does this whenever we go out to eat in the states. I always leave "just" 15% and since he used to work in the service industry he feels its his moral obligation to make all the people he eats with pay the same percentage as he would which ends up between 20 to 25%. I hate to tell him that I fucking hate even leaving 15%. I'd rather leave nothing. So fucking raise the prices on me. Thats the best thing for everyone, lets agree on a deal a price and I will pay it and you will serve me my food.
The same thing goes with fucking chicas. Lets agree on a price and a taxi and I will pay the price. In this case she agreed on the price and I paid it. And she was happy when she left and I was happy with the session.
If you don't want to read my posts about how little I'm paying becuase you enjoy paying more, please feel free to block all my posts.
I'm glad you get a good deal for 200 k, I was a newbie once and I paid 200 k before, but I haven't since. I don't come to this forum to learn how to pay more money for sex. I could just stay in the states to do that.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2492954] I always leave "just" 15% and since he used to work in the service industry he feels its his moral obligation to make all the people he eats with pay the same percentage as he would which ends up between 20 to 25%. I hate to tell him that I fucking hate even leaving 15%. .[/QUOTE]We European always feel this US 15%-20% gratuity thing a real extortion every time we go to USA. If the bill for my table dinner is $500, why the heck should we give $100 to the waiter?? At the end of the night, the waiters collect a basic monthly salary. Every night. Hard to accept this.
In Europe, we leave 5 EUR to show our appreciation for the service. I remember once, when I wanted to leave 2 SGD on the table after my dinner in Singapore. The waitress run me back, calling me when I was already out of the restaurant, presenting me the 2 SGD note "Hey Mr you forgot this money!
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2492954]You probably also want to criticize me for never tipping. Please go ahead. And send me additional for all the tips I never leave. After all its only 3 dollars.
One of my best friends does this whenever we go out to eat in the states. I always leave "just" 15% and since he used to work in the service industry he feels its his moral obligation to make all the people he eats with pay the same percentage as he would which ends up between 20 to 25%. I hate to tell him that I fucking hate even leaving 15%. I'd rather leave nothing. So fucking raise the prices on me. Thats the best thing for everyone, lets agree on a deal a price and I will pay it and you will serve me my food.
The same thing goes with fucking chicas. Lets agree on a price and a taxi and I will pay the price. In this case she agreed on the price and I paid it. And she was happy when she left and I was happy with the session.
If you don't want to read my posts about how little I'm paying becuase you enjoy paying more, please feel free to block all my posts..[/QUOTE]Touche' kazeu!
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Tipping Tips For Shitty Service
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2492960]We European always feel this US 15%-20% gratuity thing a real extortion every time we go to USA. If the bill for my table dinner is $500, why the heck should we give $100 to the waiter?? At the end of the night, the waiters collect a basic monthly salary. Every night. Hard to accept this.
In Europe, we leave 5 EUR to show our appreciation for the service. I remember once, when I wanted to leave 2 SGD on the table after my dinner in Singapore. The waitress run me back, calling me when I was already out of the restaurant, presenting me the 2 SGD note "Hey Mr you forgot this money![/QUOTE]I remember while in Japan it was considered an insult to even leave a tip. To bad there aren't more Countries like this in the World. I remember several years ago eating lunch with my boss in a diner. The service was horrific, and after we got the bill and the waitress came back with the change my boss left 2 cents on the table as the tip. Instead of leaving nothing as though it had been an oversight, it was a very stark way of saying the service sucked.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2492960]We European always feel this US 15%-20% gratuity thing a real extortion every time we go to USA. If the bill for my table dinner is $500, why the heck should we give $100 to the waiter?? At the end of the night, the waiters collect a basic monthly salary. Every night. Hard to accept this.
In Europe, we leave 5 EUR to show our appreciation for the service. I remember once, when I wanted to leave 2 SGD on the table after my dinner in Singapore. The waitress run me back, calling me when I was already out of the restaurant, presenting me the 2 SGD note "Hey Mr you forgot this money![/QUOTE]I was in Korea one time, where tipping is not part of the culture. The person I was visiting said to me. You know in the states when you're a good customer, they expect you to pay more (tip) for the same service. But in Korea when you're a good customer they give you better service for the same price. What a novel idea.
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Easy cupcake.
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2492954]You probably also want to criticize me for never tipping. Please go ahead. And send me additional for all the tips I never leave. After all its only 3 dollars.
One of my best friends does this whenever we go out to eat in the states. I always leave "just" 15% and since he used to work in the service industry he feels its his moral obligation to make all the people he eats with pay the same percentage as he would which ends up between 20 to 25%. I hate to tell him that I fucking hate even leaving 15%. I'd rather leave nothing. So fucking raise the prices on me. Thats the best thing for everyone, lets agree on a deal a price and I will pay it and you will serve me my food.
The same thing goes with fucking chicas. Lets agree on a price and a taxi and I will pay the price. In this case she agreed on the price and I paid it. And she was happy when she left and I was happy with the session.
If you don't want to read my posts about how little I'm paying becuase you enjoy paying more, please feel free to block all my posts.
I'm glad you get a good deal for 200 k, I was a newbie once and I paid 200 k before, but I haven't since. I don't come to this forum to learn how to pay more money for sex. I could just stay in the states to do that.[/QUOTE]I'm not telling you what to pay a girl, all I said was your a fucken skinflint for 3 fucken dollars. Sorry if you a broke ass ugly American. And now that you want to get down no problem, I've been all over the world for more years that you've been alive. And If I want to pay a woman I have known for years 200 cop I'll do it. But I don't and I will never travel on the last 3 dollars in my wallet like you. I know guys like you, your the last one to pick up the check, you'll walk 400 meters to catch a cab going your way on the street, stay in a pig sty to save you last few pesos. So crawl back into your hole and count your pennies.
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[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2492978]I'm not telling you what to pay a girl, all I said was your a fucken skinflint for 3 fucken dollars. Sorry if you a broke ass ugly American. And now that you want to get down no problem, I've been all over the world for more years that you've been alive. And If I want to pay a woman I have known for years 200 cop I'll do it. But I don't and I will never travel on the last 3 dollars in my wallet like you. I know guys like you, your the last one to pick up the check, you'll walk 400 meters to catch a cab going your way on the street, stay in a pig sty to save you last few pesos. So crawl back into your hole and count your pennies.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just getting personal. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I said nothing about you or how much you pay. I simply said I chose to do things differently. You have no idea who I am or what my situation is.
And you are telling me what to pay a girl. Taxi money is part of the payment.
I don't care how many times you've been around the world. You don't even know how old I am. Why does that even matter? I just asked that people don't judge other people for their strategies and I do the same. Now you're trying to throw insults. I never made any judgements about you paying 200 k. If you're happy with that. That's great. I said. I'm happy paying my 100 and not paying for taxis. I specifically avoid judging people on this board just because they don't do the same things as I do.
Like I said, I will gladly accept your 3 dollars if it means so little to you. And I will send you pics and videos for it and send you my gracious thank you. Since 3 dollars means so little to you and so much to me.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2492961]Touche' kazeu![/QUOTE]LOL. Sorry I may have been a little overpassionate in my response. Catching a little jjbee vibe. <wink>
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2492936]Totally agree. But when you pay a Wagyu A5 price for a Denny's steak and try to pass it off as a Morton's steak (or even worse, convince yourself into believing it) then that is just being plain disingenuous. The money you spent on it is not what makes it objectively better, but in your mind you have made it subjectively better and try to tout it as better when everybody else is like dude that is just a Denny's steak. Spending $10,000 on a coach seat does not make it a private jet.[/QUOTE]Paying more won't change the fact that you're eating a Denny's steak, but the context matters. Would you pay $1,000 for a Denny's steak if it was the last steak on Earth? People value things differently and are willing to pay more or less for something based on the situation. Why does the price of a coach seat change depending on day and time? The seat is the same, the flight is going to the same place, you're not getting anything extra, but the price is more. (Holidays, Summer, morning vs. Evening, Friday vs. Monday, etc) And people are willing to pay it because that time and date are valuable to them based on their situation. Similarly, when a flight is oversold, the airline offers people money for their ticket. Again, it's the same seat, but now the airline is offering you hundreds of dollars over the price they sold it to you. And some people will accept the offer while others won't. The seat hasn't changed, but its subjective value has changed. And depending on the situation, a seat in coach could be worth $10,000. Would you pay $10,000 for a seat in coach on the last flight out of a quarantined country during a pandemic without a cure? If you're SJobs, you might pay $10,000 for the last flight in to have all the girls to yourself.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2492881]Only 1 thing you listed is objective, except you introduced a false equivalence. A vacation is objectively better than a prison sentence, but a vacation in Hawaii is not equivalent to a prison sentence in Siberia.
A steak at Morton's isn't better to a vegan. First class isn't better to someone who values price over comfort. The rating of 0 to 10 is subjective. Sex with a Nympho is nor objectively better. Not when, after barebacking her she tells you she barebacked 3 strangers today. And you went down on her.
However, you missed the point. How do you compare subjective experiences between 2 people? Did you enjoy your steak at Morton's more than the vegan enjoyed her favorite meal at her favorite restaurant?[/QUOTE]Objective means without personal bias or preference. Diet and spending habits are not objective. I didn't say anything about a vacation, just the weather during winter in Hawaii vs Siberia, as hyperbole. And yes, you can compare two experiences and determine which was better. You agree a vacation is better than prison. Certain things are better. But you're right, the context matters.
Objectively, certain things are better, but subjectively, it may not be their preference. Two people fucking on 1,000 count Egyptian cotton sheets are having a better time than two people fucking on sand paper (more hyperbole). Or sticking with Hawaii and Siberia. Sex in Hawaii is better than sex in Prison LOL. You don't need to fly first class to visit Medellin. You also don't need to fly coach. You don't need a penthouse in Medellin. You also don't need to stay at a hostel. But first class and a penthouse would make it more fun, but how much more and whether that extra little bit is worth the extra cost, is for each person to decide for themself. Yes, we can judge whether someone had a better time. Should we, no.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2493009]Paying more won't change the fact that you're eating a Denny's steak, but the context matters. Would you pay $1,000 for a Denny's steak if it was the last steak on Earth? People value things differently and are willing to pay more or less for something based on the situation. [/QUOTE]If if was a fifth we would all be drunk. We are talking about how things stand at the present. Denny's does not have the last steak at present, so somebody walking in to pay $1000 for it when the menu says $8 would probably be considered insane or a fool at the least. The same could be said about the guy walking in to give that broad in Medellin 1 million pesos instead of the 60,000 she is used to getting, when she is not the last decent chick left in the city. There are at least 10,000 just like her.
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This shit is too funny
You ever notice its the same bitter people that insult others when they over pay or spend too much?
They don't offer a helpful message saying you should pay a certain amount but its always they're "fools" or "dumb".
People who travel on a budget can still be generous but what's mind boggling is some of you are truly bitter towards women in general and its pretty obvious.
I'm not going to call guys out but its hilarious some of you travel the world to get pussy and act like its an accomplishment that you paid less than others.
The fact that some of you guys haggle over literally pennies and nickels is disturbing.
They need the $$ more than you if you're willing to spend it on their bodies.
And some guys say they talk to girls and make fun of guys who overpay and the girls call them fools?
I guarantee you that girl would rather be with the fool than with your broke ass. This is all about money to them nothing more nothing less.
Wake up guys! We all have different budgets and different levels of income. Stop being so fuckin bitter and lets just use this board for info.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493032]You ever notice its the same bitter people that insult others when they over pay or spend too much?
They don't offer a helpful message saying you should pay a certain amount but its always they're "fools" or "dumb".
People who travel on a budget can still be generous but what's mind boggling is some of you are truly bitter towards women in general and its pretty obvious.
I'm not going to call guys out but its hilarious some of you travel the world to get pussy and act like its an accomplishment that you paid less than others.
The fact that some of you guys haggle over literally pennies and nickels is disturbing.
They need the $$ more than you if you're willing to spend it on their bodies.
And some guys say they talk to girls and make fun of guys who overpay and the girls call them fools?
I guarantee you that girl would rather be with the fool than with your broke ass. This is all about money to them nothing more nothing less.
Wake up guys! We all have different budgets and different levels of income. Stop being so fuckin bitter and lets just use this board for info.[/QUOTE]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.
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Clueless much
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493032]You ever notice its the same bitter people that insult others when they over pay or spend too much?
They don't offer a helpful message saying you should pay a certain amount but its always they're "fools" or "dumb".
People who travel on a budget can still be generous but what's mind boggling is some of you are truly bitter towards women in general and its pretty obvious.
I'm not going to call guys out but its hilarious some of you travel the world to get pussy and act like its an accomplishment that you paid less than others.
The fact that some of you guys haggle over literally pennies and nickels is disturbing.
They need the $$ more than you if you're willing to spend it on their bodies.
And some guys say they talk to girls and make fun of guys who overpay and the girls call them fools?
I guarantee you that girl would rather be with the fool than with your broke ass. This is all about money to them nothing more nothing less.
Wake up guys! We all have different budgets and different levels of income. Stop being so fuckin bitter and lets just use this board for info.[/QUOTE]From the sounds of you, I'm willing to make an open wager, I will meet you in a mongering hub and I will get a better looking hooker than you can, for much less money and better service.
I will bet you $5000 usd cash, a 3rd party can hold it before we start the contest.
And you cannot buy even 1 drink for yourself or them, bitter. ? LOL.
Anyone heard the line from the movie,"they hate us because they aint us" LMAO.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who are more try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned you I made a general statement. I've had arguments of this subject so many times on this board.
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Cmon Kazeu
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who are more try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]If they feel inferior for overpaying they should.
Its not your fault or your job to give them an excuse for doing it.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493042]I never mentioned you I made a general statement. I've had arguments of this subject so many times on this board.[/QUOTE]Yea, its quite a contentious topic of discussion.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493032]The fact that some of you guys haggle over literally pennies and nickels is disturbing.
They need the $$ more than you if you're willing to spend it on their bodies.
And some guys say they talk to girls and make fun of guys who overpay and the girls call them fools?
I guarantee you that girl would rather be with the fool than with your broke ass. This is all about money to them nothing more nothing less.
Wake up guys! We all have different budgets and different levels of income. Stop being so fuckin bitter and lets just use this board for info.[/QUOTE]Truth is the one who sounds bitter is you. Yea girls laugh at guys they can charge three times the going rate. They especially laugh at guys that send 1000+ a month in Western Unions only to get charged again, and for a business fuck only. They'll of course still see such guys though. And you have a false equivalence going. Not being a sucker doesn't mean you're broke. In fact in this game the ones throwing around the $ are usually the ones that have little beyond a couple of brief vacations per year.
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Well stated kazeu
Now sangnyc, guys who penny pinch about a few dollars are never bitter towards the girls. At least I can speak for myself. I understand I am offering way less so a rejection is expected. My thought process is I am the prize not you. If you want me you accept what I offer. Now I give it to you that sometimes a penny pincher can over do it at times and miss out. But again the attitude I am not paying what is over your worth. Here is the most humorous part. The free spenders similar to elvis, sjobs. Firmly assume that the wealth they proclaim can control these girls and will be at there beckoning. It is these guys that become bitter and call these girls putas. When they discover the wealth meant nothing to these girls as they still rather be with there non income colombian novios LOL.
[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]Now sangnyc, guys who penny pinch about a few dollars are never bitter towards the girls. At least I can speak for myself. I understand I am offering way less so a rejection is expected. My thought process is I am the prize not you. If you want me you accept what I offer. Now I give it to you that sometimes a penny pincher can over do it at times and miss out. But again the attitude I am not paying what is over your worth. Here is the most humorous part. The free spenders similar to elvis, sjobs. Firmly assume that the wealth they proclaim can control these girls and will be at there beckoning. It is these guys that become bitter and call these girls putas. When they discover the wealth meant nothing to these girls as they still rather be with there non income colombian novios LOL..[/QUOTE]"My thought process is I am the prize not you".
I am the gift, she gets to have sex with me, she gets to swallow my jizz and I might give her a few pesos for lunch.
Can a brotha get an Amen.
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You don't have a clue
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493090]If these girls are prepagos the $$$ is the only thing that matters.
You're right they are going to go back to their broke Colombian novios in their ghetto barrios.
I'm personally not looking to make an emotional connection with these girls. I'm only interested in doing dirty things to them.
And every once in a while I see a girl I must have I'll pay whatever it takes as long as she agrees to my terms.
The next day I wake up I don't feel regret or the need for anything more.
We are mongering here, fucking for sport. Not looking for love.[/QUOTE]If these girls are prepagos the $$$ is the only thing that matters.
Some hookers I meet working somewhere fuck me for free, without me even asking.
What's up with that?
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2492960]We European always feel this US 15%-20% gratuity thing a real extortion every time we go to USA. If the bill for my table dinner is $500, why the heck should we give $100 to the waiter?? At the end of the night, the waiters collect a basic monthly salary. Every night. Hard to accept this.
In Europe, we leave 5 EUR to show our appreciation for the service. I remember once, when I wanted to leave 2 SGD on the table after my dinner in Singapore. The waitress run me back, calling me when I was already out of the restaurant, presenting me the 2 SGD note "Hey Mr you forgot this money![/QUOTE]I can explain that one to you.
In the US, in most states, the minimum wage for waitstaff is $2.13 per hour. Without tips a waitress makes $17 in 8 hours.
I believe every state requires the employer to guarantee $7.25 per hour, if there are not enough customers or tips, but in those situations most restaurants just send people home, rather than pay them.
During slow times a lot of waitresses are bringing home less than $100 per week.
If tipping bothers you, don't tip. If you don't want to tip more than 10-15%, don't. Just don't make a habit of returning to the same restaurant. Unless you enjoy having your food seasoned with phlegm and testicles.
Myself, unless the service sucked, I tip. Mostly I eat at cheap places, making a big, 30% tip, about $3. 50. I tend to frequent the same restaurants. I tend to have very few complaints. I tend to get occasional perks: a free dessert, free drink, getting moved to the top of the list when people are waiting for a table, getting seated in my preferred section, getting my preferred waitress, handshakes and hugs. In my opinion, the $150 extra I spend on tips each year is a good investment. It, so I believe, gives me the dining experience I want.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2492967]I remember while in Japan it was considered an insult to even leave a tip. To bad there aren't more Countries like this in the World. I remember several years ago eating lunch with my boss in a diner. The service was horrific, and after we got the bill and the waitress came back with the change my boss left 2 cents on the table as the tip. Instead of leaving nothing as though it had been an oversight, it was a very stark way of saying the service sucked.[/QUOTE]There's actually a forgotten code for tipping. If the service sucks you leave a penny. If you leave nothing, you may have just forgot.
If the service is excellent you leave a standard tip plus a penny. A big tip might just be because you didn't have change. The extra penny shows it was intentional.
Of course now everyone just uses a card.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493005]LOL. Sorry I may have been a little overpassionate in my response. Catching a little jjbee vibe.[/QUOTE]It might make others uncomfortable, but I'm happy you think of me and become passionate. Just don't send me the pictures.
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[QUOTE=Flak3;2493009]Paying more won't change the fact that you're eating a Denny's steak, but the context matters. Would you pay $1,000 for a Denny's steak if it was the last steak on Earth? People value things differently and are willing to pay more or less for something based on the situation. Why does the price of a coach seat change depending on day and time? The seat is the same, the flight is going to the same place, you're not getting anything extra, but the price is more. (Holidays, Summer, morning vs. Evening, Friday vs. Monday, etc) And people are willing to pay it because that time and date are valuable to them based on their situation. Similarly, when a flight is oversold, the airline offers people money for their ticket. Again, it's the same seat, but now the airline is offering you hundreds of dollars over the price they sold it to you. And some people will accept the offer while others won't. The seat hasn't changed, but its subjective value has changed. And depending on the situation, a seat in coach could be worth $10,000. Would you pay $10,000 for a seat in coach on the last flight out of a quarantined country during a pandemic without a cure? If you're SJobs, you might pay $10,000 for the last flight in to have all the girls to yourself.
Objective means without personal bias or preference. Diet and spending habits are not objective. I didn't say anything about a vacation, just the weather during winter in Hawaii vs Siberia, as hyperbole. And yes, you can compare two experiences and determine which was better. You agree a vacation is better than prison. Certain things are better. But you're right, the context matters..[/QUOTE]You seem to understand the difference between objective and subjective, but you don't understand the difference between objective and subjective.
Comparing prison sex to vacation sex is a false equivalence. Comparing sandpaper to 1000 thread count Egyptian cotton is hyperbole.
Leave prison and sandpaper out of it. Is sex in Hawaii better for every person on earth than sex in Siberia? Is a steak at Morton's a better meal to every person?
The answer is no. When it comes to pleasure, there is very little, if anything that is objective. I knew a Dominatrix in Phoenix. The things guys begged her to do would cause you to yak up that Morton's steak all over your first class seat. I met a guy in Seattle who was passionately in love with a woman 40 years older than him and he was in his 30's. There are guys on here who are crazy about huge asses or tits, no matter how saggy, or how awful the surgery.
You can't, in any way compare someone else's experiences to your own experiences objectively. All you can make is a subjective judgement.
Sitting in coach, I once watched the woman in front of me masturbate. Did I enjoy that more than you enjoyed flying first class?
Riding on a Greyhound Bus, I once woke up to a 19 year old cutie, sitting on my lap and squirming on my dick. I was 17. Did I enjoy that more than you enjoyed riding in a limo?
That probably needs an explanation. In Tallahassee, a few of us ran to a nearby liquor store, each bought a bottle of cheap wine and snuck it on the bus. I was in a drunken sleep in the smoking section, and there were no empty seats in the smoking section. So the woman picked my lap as a good place to sit.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]I don't think I've ever called anyone else a fool for paying what they want to pay. I've only called myself for fool for paying more than I needed to pay in the past. The only reason I tell people how much I pay on this board, is because I think it is relevant. How many people come to this board and the first thing they ask is "Whats the going rate for XXX in medellin?" My pricing is a data point you can put into your calculations if you want to. If you don't want to, that's up to you. I'm not forcing it down anyone's throat.
I'm not bitter at all towards these women. Why would I be? Why would you think that? Because I try to negociate with them? Its part of the game. Are you bitter at everyone who tries to negotiate a better price with you? Do you think the girls are bitter at me because I don't pay them 200 k or 300 k per session? If they are, I can't tell. They all seem happy to me. If they don't want to session for what I pay, that's fine too. I move on. And they move on.
Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]There you go. This one is a good one.
People ask for and need information. Some of us give it. Some of them then go and have fun and report back, and the forum serves its purpose.
Unfortunately, too many insist their way is the best way, or the only way. Then they either rationalize it or try to prove it ("the chicas all tell me they think the guys who pay too much are fools".
If you're paying someone for sex and you spend your time finding out what other guys pay and what the girls think about them, perhaps you don't understand the concept of paying for sex. I can understand having a conversation. I can't understand how the topic ever gets to "what about guys who pay more than I pay?
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2493043]If they feel inferior for overpaying they should.
Its not your fault or your job to give them an excuse for doing it.[/QUOTE]I don't. When I overpay, I don't feel inferior. When I underpay, I don't feel inferior. I'm the guy everyone calls arrogant. Remember?
I don't really understand the concept of overpaying for sex. Where exactly is that price tag located? Is there a barcode somewhere I need to scan?
If overpaying for sex is an actual thing, every time you pay for sex, you're overpaying for sex. Is someone who overpays by more than you, somehow a fool, or inferior?
Some of the best sex of my life, with one of the more attractive women I've known, cost me 2 bottles of cheap wine. In return I got to stay in a nice apartment in Richardson, TX for 3 nights, I got 5 decent home cooked meals, plus snacks, plus drinks, plus got me 8 rounds of bareback sex. On Monday morning she kissed me goodbye. I think the wine cost about $15.
When I pay for sex, what I pay is what I pay. What I get is what I get. I rarely am dissatisfied with the results.
If the only way you can enjoy the sex you're getting, at the price you're paying, is to toss insults at anyone paying more, the sex must not be that good.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2493040]Keep in mind that this is a lifestyle for me. I don't come down to Medellin for 1 week and spend all my money as a 1 week millionaire. I'm down here for a much longer term. Which means I have a something that a those guys don't have: time. I can wait for a better deal. Guys coming down for a week, don't really have that luxury.
I think that's a very concrete divide. The people who try to spend less are probably spending more over a longer term and more chicas. The ones who come down for a limited time spend more on a per chica basis.[/QUOTE]Exactly, Kazeu. I had ten days and still did not get to see all the women I had wanted. Before I paid a woman a dime, I was out close to $2000 in air fare, hotels, PCR ETC, and I am lusting to see this woman I have been staring at for six months. I pay her $100 and somebody here says something to the effect that I overpaid by $50. You cannot make this stuff up.
I do not think guys could handle the truth about Angel so I am not even going to post about her. I was with her the last five days of the trip. She affirmed her status as the best. The reason I have not totally committed to her is that I want to have more than one option if things do not work out. She is not happy I am seeing other women but she has told me that she understands.
She has been adamant about not being a working girl type out for money. I have paid for trips and meals but the only two things I recall buying for her were a dog and swim suits.
Her own family has tried not to abide by this. Her sister is a FB friend and asked if I could bring a kind of toy only available in the USA. It was only $20 but Angel insisted her sister pay me. Even when I said it was okay, she got the $20 from her sister and said, "Here. ".
One of the things that has tremendous value to me is if the women are mobile. Three times I have been bought tickets for women to Mexico from Colombia, and only one of the women, Angel, got through. Anytime a young, pretty, single woman shows up in Mexico, it is assumed they are hookers.
I actually planned for Angel to get held up at Mexican customs when she travelled there, and I was going to pick her up at the airport. I planned on getting there 30 minutes after she hit customs. She made it through in five minutes and asked, "Where are you?
I actually talked to my brother about this. Was it fair praising Angel getting through Mexican customs over the other two women or was it just luck? I did not think the praise was unworthy. My brother did.
The reason I actually brought up the guest fees and whether a woman looked like a hooker at the lobby was because of what Angel did.
I checked into my last hotel for two people but did not give the hotel a name. She texted she me was coming to the hotel but she did not let me know when she arrived. She totally charmed the hotel clerk so much so that not only did he let her on the elevator and use his key card to get to my floor, he called to let me know with a smile in his voice that Miss Angel was on her way up.
That is a value for quite a few reasons. First off, I do not have to worry about guest fees. The second is that I do not have to worry about many people calling her a working girl, which is a huge negative for a woman no matter what they say, because unlike the other women she has sold everyone on us. The third thing is that if I buy her a ticket to another country, I do not need to worry about customs with her. It was not just customs and one hotel clerk. Time and again, I saw her charm strangers, and they treated her like she was their best friend.
There is also value in something about really being with someone. A lot of times in this field you are with someone but they are so distant that you feel alone. I do not care if I only paid $10 for someone. If I feel that way, I got ripped off. I felt that way with some of the women I saw but not with her.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2492759]You are reaping what you sowed. Remember all your claims that AIDS never happened? I was just reminded of that recently. I'm rereading "Imajica" by Clive Barker, published in 1991, in the height of the AIDS epidemic in the US. AIDS gets a small mention in the story, yet he does an incredible job of describing the progress of the disease. Remember my post about my volunteer work, along with my wife, with the AIDS, Art, Alive group in San Diego, including a few searchable details and descriptions of a few of the afflicted artists? Do you recall?[/QUOTE]First off, JJBirdbrain, atrial fibrillation is not related to Covid. Secondly, the problem with that disease is that condition is associated with blood clots being sent to the brain, I. E. Embolic strokes. Maybe you can see a cardiologist again because memory seems to be an issue with you.
As for AIDS, a common cancer seen with it is Kaposi's sarcoma. This is rarely seen with drug abusers but commonly with gays because KS seems to be related to herpes. Why would I deny something as true that I have seen? Hmmm?
What about people who got AIDS via heterosexual sex? I don't know because THAT does not exist.
I have nothing to prove to someone who pulls that comment about tinder out of his ass and then lies about what I said about AIDS.
Your lies are irresponsible and you are totally full of shit, Tinder.
Do you recall how you declared everything I wrote was untrue? Remember how you exaggerated what I wrote, trying to make me look like a liar? Is that jogging any memories?
When you call someone else's posts nothing but lies, even when a simple search in the archives of any newspaper will confirm many of the details, you have surrendered the right to demand everyone accept every word, no matter how unbelievable or contradictory, with no means to verify any part of the story, as the gospel.
By your past actions you have placed yourself in a position where every word you write will be scrutinized and challenged.
Which brings us to my parting shot.
On more than one occasion you've flexed your "don't take no shit from women, everyone else is living in fear" attitude. Yet, you let "the queen" tell you "no" for sex, hid the fact you were in Colombia from one, lied about having Covid to another, snuck into the other room to try and keep one girl from finding out about another one.
Put on your dog collar and gimp mask. Not only are you paying 11 women, who in one post you claimed all came to see you, but in another that changed to 7 women (and it's all true), but you're letting each one of them dictate your actions.
Instead of "cough, cough. I'm sick, I can't see you" (after months of paying her), someone with testicles would have either shelled out a few more dollars to get some return on the "investment", or told her "I've given you enough for a bus ticket. Get your ass here. ".
Instead of letting a woman, who's spending the night in your bed, put you off for sex, someone not living in fear would have told her "I'm fucking tonight. If you don't want to be involved you need to find someplace else to sleep."
Instead of hiding from the one woman, any self-respecting man would have told her he was busy with other things and he would see her on the agreed day.
For all your "me Tarzan" posturing, you're a rather pathetic little boy. You're terrified one girl will find out about another. You keep sending money because that's the only way to get them to like you. You hide and simper and try to convince each of them of your devotion.
Keep at it little fellow. If nothing else, the contradictions are hilarious.
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]Now sangnyc, guys who penny pinch about a few dollars are never bitter towards the girls. At least I can speak for myself.[/QUOTE]You get that is a contradiction right?
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]I understand I am offering way less so a rejection is expected. My thought process is I am the prize not you. If you want me you accept what I offer.[/QUOTE]I am shocked, just shocked that this approach does not work all the time.
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]Now I give it to you that sometimes a penny pincher can over do it at times and miss out. But again the attitude I am not paying what is over your worth. Here is the most humorous part. The free spenders similar to elvis, sjobs. Firmly assume that the wealth they proclaim can control these girls and will be at there beckoning. It is these guys that become bitter and call these girls putas.[/QUOTE]I do not know Steve Jobs, but from what he posted, he and I are looking for different things. The best sex I had on my trip was with Angel. I spent five days with her, and I did not pay her anything.
If there is a woman who she says that she is going to show up and does not, I am not going to be happy about it even more so if I helped her out in the past. I was annoyed and disappointed not embittered but more because she wasted my time though than my money.
[QUOTE=Blakman;2493055]When they discover the wealth meant nothing to these girls as they still rather be with there non income colombian novios LOL.[/QUOTE]Wealth means nothing to Colombian women?
I agree with MDS. The "I am the prize" line wins quote of the year but wealth meant nothing to these girls is a close second. I am glad you have it all figured out though.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]And you have a false equivalence going. Not being a sucker doesn't mean you're broke. In fact in this game the ones throwing around the $ are usually the ones that have little beyond a couple of brief vacations per year.[/QUOTE]I am not here trying to impress chicks that have less money than me. I am here to get a good deal on some pussy. I am fucking about 100 chicks per year. I am not of the mind to be paying each one $100. I may throw $20 or $30 at them. If you are only fucking 5 or 6 chicks per year then throwing $100 at those 5 or 6 may be feasible.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2493312]If you're paying someone for sex and you spend your time finding out what other guys pay and what the girls think about them, perhaps you don't understand the concept of paying for sex. I can understand having a conversation. I can't understand how the topic ever gets to "what about guys who pay more than I pay?[/QUOTE]LOL. It does not really happen like that Jj. First of all I am surprised at the amount of guys here that advocate for Short Time. Traditionally my STs have come if I am visiting a casa during the day. If I get a chick coming to my place then it is 9 times out of 10 LT because I will typically do that at night. That is just how I was "raised" in the mongering world.
We would go to the disco in Rio and bring back chicks and they would stay all night and you would have to make them go home the next day. It was the same when I started going to Dominican Republic, Thailand, Philippines, etc. These would all be GFE sessions and it would usually cost about $30. Day ST ($10 - $15). Night LT ($30).
ST during the day I still talk to chicks but maybe it is not too indept. When a chick stays with me I am not fucking her every single minute. I have my things to do and she is doing whatever the hell too. Maybe her phone is going off and she is trying to hide it and I will say I don't care about that shit. Talk to them. May be some dude living somewhere that sends money and shit. Out of curiosity I may ask how much does he send. Then they start showing me their paypal and shit of all the guys sending money. To me it is just normal ass talk when dealing with cool ass GFE hookers.
Earlier today I was talking to a chick I fuck in Bogota. She was saying something about going out to look for a job in a restaurant. I said what about that "disco" (actually expensive ripoff casa) you took me to that you said you work at sometimes. She said they only pay 20 K. I thought she meant 20 K from what the dude pays which is like 300 K. But she said no. You get 20 K from just hanging out at the place then the real money when the fish bites. But places are empty now if they are open at all.
What you are describing is the Tijuana method of paying for sex. They pull down their pants and you are lucky if they take one pants leg off. You hump away in 2 positions max. The girl does not look you in the eye. You pay then you leave.
My sessions are usually a bit more personable than that and subjects like what somebody else is paying or what someone else is doing may come up. Some chicks will even tell me how cheap I am. But they will not be saying it in a condescending sense. They mean it moreso saying that I am smarter than the average monger in that they are willing to pay way more than what it takes. Whereas I am only going to pay what it takes. I have never had a reason to pay $100 for some pussy that I can have for $30 all things being equal.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493326]First off, JJBirdbrain, atrial fibrillation is not related to Covid. Secondly, the problem with that disease is that condition is associated with blood clots being sent to the brain, I. E. Embolic strokes. Maybe you can see a cardiologist again because memory seems to be an issue with you.
As for AIDS, a common cancer seen with it is Kaposi's sarcoma. This is rarely seen with drug abusers but commonly with gays because KS seems to be related to herpes. Why would I deny something as true that I have seen? Hmmm?
What about people who got AIDS via heterosexual sex? I don't know because THAT does not exist.
I have nothing to prove to someone who pulls that comment about tinder out of his ass and then lies about what I said about AIDS.
Your lies are irresponsible and you are totally full of shit, Tinder.
Do you recall how you declared everything I wrote was untrue? Remember how you exaggerated what I wrote, trying to make me look like a liar? Is that jogging any memories?
When you call someone else's posts nothing but lies, even when a simple search in the archives of any newspaper will confirm many of the details, you have surrendered the right to demand everyone accept every word, no matter how unbelievable or contradictory, with no means to verify any part of the story, as the gospel.
By your past actions you have placed yourself in a position where every word you write will be scrutinized and challenged.[/QUOTE]Still, after all of this time, not only do you not know how to properly quote posts, but you continue to ramble on about shit which is either unrelated to anything I have written, or is completely out of context.
It's not difficult at all you use the quote tags. Inside square brackets put "QUOTE" to begin the quote and the same thing preceded by a forward slash to close the quote. The result looks loke:
[QUOTE]Elvis, you really are a fucking moron.[/QUOTE]See how easy that was? You repeat the process for each part of a post you wish to quote. If you want you can include the identification tag so the quote looks like:
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493326]I make up all this stuff because I need to support my fragile ego.[/QUOTE]It's not like you need to write PERL scripts in order to do it. It's just basic HTML tags.
I never said atrial fibrillation was related to Covid. I went for a covid test and they discovered the atrial fibrillation. However, A-Fib is a risk factor with covid.
I'm done. You go on with your fantasy and pretend all you want. Make up your stories, change them every time someone questions them and keep trying to buy respect. I'm finished wasting time dealing with a developmentally disabled child.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493350]LOL. It does not really happen like that Jj. First of all I am surprised at the amount of guys here that advocate for Short Time. Traditionally my STs have come if I am visiting a casa during the day. If I get a chick coming to my place then it is 9 times out of 10 LT because I will typically do that at night. That is just how I was "raised" in the mongering world.
We would go to the disco in Rio and bring back chicks and they would stay all night and you would have to make them go home the next day. It was the same when I started going to Dominican Republic, Thailand, Philippines, etc. These would all be GFE sessions and it would usually cost about $30. Day ST ($10 - $15). Night LT ($30).
ST during the day I still talk to chicks but maybe it is not too indept. When a chick stays with me I am not fucking her every single minute. I have my things to do and she is doing whatever the hell too. Maybe her phone is going off and she is trying to hide it and I will say I don't care about that shit. Talk to them. May be some dude living somewhere that sends money and shit. Out of curiosity I may ask how much does he send. Then they start showing me their paypal and shit of all the guys sending money. To me it is just normal ass talk when dealing with cool ass GFE hookers..[/QUOTE]I don't personally advocate for anything. ST for me, unless I do a casa or strip club is usually 2 or more hours. For me TLN isn't very appealing because I prefer to sleep alone. At least these days that's the case. But what other guys do, whatever floats their boat.
I spent several years reading over girl's shoulders while guys were trying to hit them up. I saw all the crap guys say. Not to mention seeing all the "private" messages guys send to the webcam models.
I'm certain, when and if the subject comes up, any one of the women will tell you those other guys are fools, lousy fucks, short dicks or whatever else. I can't imagine a woman, hooker or not, getting all doe-eyed and gushing about some other guy when she's with you. Just as most men, while they are with a woman, aren't going to start talking about how much better some other woman is.
I was involved in a 5 way one time, 3 guys, 2 girls and one of the girls was telling me she had never seen a dick as big as mine. There were 2 bigger ones in the room.
Sure a woman will say big spenders are fools, then they'll turn around and call the guys who spend less tacańo. But whether you paid $30 or $300 they're still laughing at you when they spend the money on their boyfriend or girlfriend.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]Yea girls laugh at guys they can charge three times the going rate.[/QUOTE]Name one woman who is laughing at a guy paying more for her pussy. I have never heard that.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] They especially laugh at guys that send 1000+ a month in Western Unions only to get charged again, and for a business fuck only.[/QUOTE]I sent the money to nine different women New York New York. How can they be laughing at that amount when they do not know how much it is?
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] They'll of course still see such guys though.[/QUOTE]Name one woman in that group of they.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051] And you have a false equivalence going.[/QUOTE]Now comes the arrogant blowhard lecturing on logic when his entire post has been mental masturbation.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2493051]Not being a sucker doesn't mean you're broke. In fact in this game the ones throwing around the $ are usually the ones that have little beyond a couple of brief vacations per year.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, I, the arrogant blowhard, have more money than all the "suckers" based on a careful review of everyone else's financials.
No, I was just kidding. I do not have any financials. It was more mental masturbation.
Hey Paulie, was it good for you? Do you get off on your post and need a cigarette now?
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493339]I am not here trying to impress chicks that have less money than me. I am here to get a good deal on some pussy. I am fucking about 100 chicks per year. I am not of the mind to be paying each one $100. I may throw $20 or $30 at them. If you are only fucking 5 or 6 chicks per year then throwing $100 at those 5 or 6 may be feasible.[/QUOTE]100 Chicks? Wow man I'm impressed because I just have only my Girlfriend to fuck.
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[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2493649]I fully agree. I wonder how his time is going in jail LOL. He is probably getting tag teamed as we speak or worse.[/QUOTE]What would you say if I told you the story was completely made up?
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2493090]If these girls are prepagos the $$$ is the only thing that matters.
You're right they are going to go back to their broke Colombian novios in their ghetto barrios.
I'm personally not looking to make an emotional connection with these girls. I'm only interested in doing dirty things to them.
And every once in a while I see a girl I must have I'll pay whatever it takes as long as she agrees to my terms.
The next day I wake up I don't feel regret or the need for anything more.
We are mongering here, fucking for sport. Not looking for love.[/QUOTE]Sang, if you want agreement from the guys here, you are going to get it. You will get a bunch of attaboys and verbal high 5's for posting what is the common theme around here.
These guys like to gather in a group and think that they are wise and that making a group decision makes them feel comfort. A lot of the guys here (Mr. E, JJBee, Paulie, and Nounce) were all constantly parroting the government line about Covid. I took a different stance and everything I posted about it was right and everything they posted was dead wrong. Instead of admitting it, these clowns have felt inferior and tried to knock me down any chance they can because they feel stupid, and they should feel stupid. The notion that governments were going to do anything to "cure" a cold virus was moronic. Governments always take credit for something good and points fingers when something goes wrong.
I had a two year engagement to a Venezuelan woman and if you listen to these idiots, the conclusion was not to get emotionally involved with a woman and not to expect loyalty with them unless you are with them every day. The other parts were that she did not love you but loved your money, she wanted to hang around her novio not you, and when she said you were a good lover, she was lying.
And the seemingly worst did happen. I found a social media page with a male model on it and it had a setting with the phrase #love on it, and the guys here had a field day with this. We break up, and it was humiliating that she showed the world this guy and not me. Still I got these mixed messages from her. She did not admit to being with this guy and was ashamed when I found out. She then said that she would always love me but she was sad because she ruined what we had. Her sister swore to me that this girl would never introduce me to her parents and then run around on me, that I followed her on social media videos. She communicated with me some afterwards but after a while it was me sending her an email, and she would respond with one of her videos.
Over the next few months, despite all she tried to show, every single impressive item that she showed in her videos was something that I had bought her. On top of that, there were no romantic videos of her and this guy. In fact, all the videos I saw showed the exact opposite. I sent her an email and say, "I do not think you were romantic with this guy. " The next day, she shows a video of them together at her parents house, and they are not like a couple but brother and sister. The irony is that her parents are staring daggers into this guy. I think her sister told the parents about this guy. In the end, I realize that she made the biggest mistake of her life, and I got lucky not being with her. Person after person told me, "You dodged a bullet. ".
So when the common thread on this forum is breached, that Colombian women really want to hang out with their novios, it appeared to be true, but it is not. There is peer pressure on the women to be with a Colombian. The best analogy I can make is a black woman being with a white guy like 20 years ago. Any black woman who did that back then had to tune out the image that was that she was fucking the small dicked white guy for money, and it took a strong woman to do that. Every young hot Colombian girl with an American guy has to face that image.
I do not think this guy was a novio. I think he was a guy who saw a hot chick that he could use to sell his product in a pyramid scheme ripoff known as IML. He made it out to be like they had this vetting process for her to be picked which is like a Madoff type scam, and it would not surprise me if she banged him to help her cause.
So this was the novio's scam. "You do not need the money of Elvis. You can make it yourself. " Needless to say, it did not work out. After a while, she had no problem saying she did not have a boyfriend and was in love just one time. It was an invitation to win her back, but I did not want her back.
Guys like to think when they are always rational when they make a decision, but all the time, I see that they are not. When you say all these women want to be with their novios, that is loser speak because you are applying a rule to a bunch of people you do not know. So why are you saying that? It makes you feel better. You got burned by a woman and instead of learning from it and getting back in the game, you denounce all women.
The same thing is going on with the women saying you are a good lover. Truth is that I was with my Mexican lawyer SB, and I was having a hard time getting it up, and she was trying, and she gave up and said, "Baby, it is just not happening today. " Every fucking guy here believes that. Why? Because they want to.
The next day we have sex and she has three orgasms. How many guys here believe that? One in a hundred at best. That is what pussies these guys are. It bothers me them so much it might be true, they will seek solace with each other and convince them it is not true and I am an idiot for believing it. And I was there!
When Paulie, the arrogant blowhard, said that a woman faked an orgasm with me, he showed the world how insecure he was. He is so threatened by me he has to make stuff up. That woman was a cold snob by the way and was not interested in impressing me at all. She was more the type to ***** if she did not have an orgasm then compliment you on giving her one.
And when you say you are not looking for an emotional connection, this is more bullshit you are saying to make yourself feel good.
From Psychology Today, In the Introduction, they describe an encounter where a venture capitalist, who attended one of Levitt's lectures one day, had a "date" with a $300-an-hour prostitute later in the same evening. The venture capitalist notices a copy of Freakonomics in the prostitute's apartment, and mentions that he had just attended a lecture by one of the authors of the book, in an attempt to impress the prostitute. Levitt and Dubner note: "The male instinct to impress the female is apparently strong even when the sex is already bought and paid for. ".
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In fact, the desire to impress women is so important it even has a three letter abbreviation, IOP or illusion of passion, but even that is hedging. Any guy who thinks that he can get a working girl off has to be under her illusion. "I am not stupid enough to believe this working girl got off with me. ".
Truth be told, I call these guys idiots but they really are not. "That is why more intelligent men are more likely to recognize and comprehend prostitution, and to have sex with prostitutes. ".
And you are even more intelligent if you can hold off on paying sex prison prices and go to Colombia.
But the next stage is admitting that you are trying to impress these women and you like it when they are impressed but only if you are doing something impressive. If you feel like being impressive is fake, then you say that you are not trying to impress these women.
When a guy said that I was paying women to like me, it was obvious to me that he was speaking from failed experience. Quite frankly, nothing turns a woman off more than a man shoving money down her throat. If you are a control freak, you can addict a woman to your money and own her, and the smart women know that and resist it.
When you said hot women are better off doing degrading acts so they could get ahead financially, there is something to be said about the fact that so few do. The reason the best women stay hot is that they engage in not just financially but emotionally healthy activities.
The Queen could go to a bar and have a hundred men by her a drink. If she does that, she will be an alcoholic. She has to pick out the one or two guys who buy her a drink that will really help her. A guy can look at buying the drink as being a loser if he gets nowhere and say "I should have spent the money on a working girl", or he can be honest and ask himself if he wasted money on a sponge or if he needs to get better at sealing the deal.
With a working girl, ALL that matters is money. With a woman and especially the best women, money is just part of it.
The debate about value is as old as time. The question about a steak at Denny's versus one at Morton's misses the point. I have had both, and they are both mass produced. What I want is a woman who I have helped put through cooking school making me a personal meal. How do you know if I guy is telling the truth about THAT experience? If he says sometimes, the steak blows Morton's away but sometimes it is worse than Denny's, you know he is honest.
So on my trip out of seven women, two are not better than Morton's and never will be. With them, it is "I am cooking you a steak, what else do you want?
One was a little worse than Morton's but thought she deserved to be paid way more than Morton's so I axed her.
Two had the potential to be as good or better than Morton's but were not so I am not going to let them go.
One was as good as Morton's, and one blew Morton's the fuck out of the water as she always does, and she is the one I spent five days with.
So why not lock her up right? Because I do not want one source of steaks. LOL.
Morton's is about as good as you can mass produced. The question is how do you get better than Morton's and for less? That requires a lot of time and money up front, but in the long run, it is actually cheaper.
In summary, most men play checkers and follow societal rules and get little value. Guys who see pros are playing chess. Guys who go abroad are playing 3-the chess. I am playing 5-the chess and to get to my level, you have to strip away the next levels of stereotypical bullshit to get there.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2493901]That may be why so many use Facebook.
Hello. Are you available? I want to see you. How much do you want? I pay (whatever price you want). Is that okay? Yes I will give you 20 k for a taxi. Can you be here in 1 hour? Okay. I will see you in 2 hours.
(Hola. Ests disponible? Quiero verte. Cuanto quieres por un rato? Siempre pago (whatever). Est bien? S te dar 20 mil mas por un taxi. Puedes llegar ac en una hora? Claro. Entonces te ver en 2 horas.).
She'll show up, probably want to use the bathroom to freshen up, might come out in lingerie or just underwear. In less than 15 minutes she will be doing what you want. If she's enjoying your company she'll still be doing what you want 2 or 3 hours later. When she's done, give her the money and walk her to the door.
Tomorrow she'll send pictures of her friend and ask if you want a trio.[/QUOTE]Simplier said than done given some of the Fayboo tales that other board members have posted.
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Hola Hombres,
Yeah this forum seems to be going off the rails lately. Are there any mods here at all? So many big egos and personal attacks, it seemed to be much more jovial and carefree if you go back 6 months or so RTFF. Some of yall have too much free time or need to get laid or most likely both. Or I guess the loudest more annoying people love to constantly post and argue whereas the silent majority stay out of it. Just my $.02 and mini rant.
Anyways boots on the ground here. Getting here from Miami was relatively painless. Got the PCR Covid test done at the highly recommended [URL]https://labdoctor.org/.[/URL] Paid $179 online and just follow their directions. Went to fedex office to print out a few forms, filled them out and brought them with me to their office. Got tested, they jam that swab up your nose pretty good, eyes were definitely watering and tearing up. Took about 15 minutes max then got some seafood at the new england place in the same shopping center around the corner. I recommend their fried ipswitch clams. Anyways they emailed me my results same day in about 10 hours to be exact. Then 24 to 1 hour before your flight departure make sure to register on ([URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL]). I also printed out my covid test results and the confirmation email from the migracioncolombia website as they did check it when I was checking bags at FLL and at the immigration checkpoint in the Medellin airport. And also make sure to have POOT (proof of onward travel) as they will check it at the usa airport.
I flew Jetblue because they made sure to leave every middle seat empty. Once bag fees were added it actually came out to be cheaper than Spirit. Fuck Spirit with their fully loaded plans and crazy fees as well as tiny seats. Jet blue even has free wifi on the plane as well as TV's at every seat with recent movies. The plane was half empty at most and you could have your own row if you wanted it.
Haven't had much time to monger since I flew the redeye. Uber from the airport was a pain in the ass. The driver wanted to meet me on the departure level but you cannot exit on that level, so had to meet them on the arrivals floor while all trying to communicate in Spanish using translation apps. I believe the uber ride was about 50 k COP but I had to pay the 18k toll in cash, make sure to get reimbursed for this in the uber app because they automatically include it on to your ride fee. The driver is usually supposed to pay for it but that's a lot of money for colombians I assume. And make sure to sit in the front passenger seat, local taxi drivers don't take too kindly on uber drivers and customers here, like in many places in the world.
It's surprisingly hot in Medellin, and I come from a place known for heat and humidity. As for the whole shorts debate, you only see tourists wearing shorts so I stuck to pants and even collared shirts. When in rome but hey you do you.
I went to the Claro store at the Centro Commercial Santa Fe. Nice mall but I do not recommend doing it this way. Took like an hour to wait for a sales person to get free and it wasn't even busy. The sales lady was definitely not amused at my lack of Spanish as well. I should have just went to a convenience store but I thought it would be a safer bet to go directly to one of their official outlets. Anyways make sure to bring ID with you, I brought my passport and it only cost I think 40 k for 1.8 gigs for 30 days or something like that. There's probably a better deal but I just went with it. I think Claro is supposed to be the largest and most reliable carrier out here but there's definitely others from what I've read.
I walked around Parque Lleras last night and it was relatively busy, saw a few streetwalkers who made eye contact and tried to get my attention but I don't know how ya'll do it. They all seem like sharks, definitely aggressive and scammy almost, and a few definitely seem to be on something. I don't speak fluent spanish so I just smile and keep walking. But the opportunity is there even if they all do seem like they will give rushed mechanical service and / or try to steal from you. No way I'd feel comfortable bringing one back to my place. But many of them were bangable, maybe 6 or 7's I guess.
Against better judgement I picked a prepagos from mileroticos just to get my feet wet. Ad said 80 k special for that week but once she realized I'm not hispanic she said that was for last week and the current rate was 100 k. I wasn't going to haggle over $5 usd so I agreed. She never asked for taxi money so I called it a wash. I wanted to meet at her place because yall have me paranoid about getting robbed but she said she shares it with other girls and it would be more private to use my place. Anyways nothing to brag about, she did seem nice and normal though, not like the aggressive streetwalkers. We shared some club Colombias, 2 unrushed and satisfying pops, not a clock watcher at all, even got a decent massage in between rounds. The catch was she definitely wouldn't be up to yalls standards, maybe a 5 at best. A 6 in the face but a 4 in the body and her ad pics were real I think but the face was blurred out. Huge natural tits full of sweet tasty materna leche which is why I picked her, but too much extra weight around the middle and crazy bad mommy damage. Still she served her purpose, solid FS service with BBBJ DT and I was a satisfied customer at $26 USD even if I wouldn't repeat.
Well the plan tonight is to either check out La Isla or fase dos or maybe both, I'm not sure if isla is open but fase seems to be. I need to get on the facebook game too but I haven't had time yet. And if anyone wants to get a beer sometime feel free to PM me. I'm traveling solo and wouldn't mind sharing some info in person. I'll be here for a few weeks so if anyone has any specific questions on what its currently like out here I'll do my best to answer them. Viva Colombia.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2493892]If the victim of the alleged attack was a bank teller in Poblado or Usaquen, it would definitely be reported. A hooker? Not necessarily.
It's been brought to my attention the story may not be true. However, the moral of the story is valid. If you decide to beat up a hooker, bad things may come your way and your only hope is that the trouble comes wearing badges.[/QUOTE]Here's the moral of the story. The first rule of Fight Club. DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB! Anyone who discloses personal information about any of the members on this board especially to chicas is a degenerate. You deserve to have your ass kicked, and you will be banned by Jackson or whoever moderates this board now.
2nd point. This should serve as a reminder to everyone who reads this forum. There's a very small percentage of people on boards like this, who don't understand the Gentlemen's Agreement we have pertaining to the first rule. Be mindful of the info you provide when you meet your next wingman in MDE. We have a lot of Professionals, Retired Military, and Married Dudes on this board. We need to ensure their sick perverted tales of debauchery go no further than the paint stripped walls from which they occurred.
It's Bros before Hoes Fellas. If you can't get on board with this, get the Fuck Out!
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[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2493965]I am traveling to Medellin on Wednesday. So I did not want to deal with the drama of having a COVID test that was sent out to a lab. Having to hope I get the results back in time. So I managed to find a CVS in Orlando (about 45 minutes away) that had the rapid molecular test. I called the COVID 19 hotline for CVS and they assumed me if is a PCR test, not an antigen test. So I went and got my test today and 15 minutes later I was told I was negative. However, when I looked at the results that were sent to me, it described a "MOLECULAR POCT" test. From my understanding, a PCR test is a molecular test.[/QUOTE]LOL. I made a report last week that my buddy had a test done and sent it to me and I was able to change it to my name and the date I needed. Now his girlfriend is coming to the states for Halloween and he needed me to make a copy with her name for when she goes back to Colombia. This is how the PCR test looks. When he got it there was no appointment needed. He just went up the the local CVS where the test was being offered and this document was emailed to him in 18 hours.
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Unfortunately this post is spot on. It's been a problem on this site and others like it for too many years. It is the reason I don't fuck with guys I don't know. Every time I read a "if anyone wants to meet up for a beer let me know" post the hairs go up on the back of my neck. I hope I am unreasonable and paranoid about this but I know from experience (not personal experience luckily) that there is cause for caution.
[QUOTE=Judd;2493966]Here's the moral of the story. The first rule of Fight Club. DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB! Anyone who discloses personal information about any of the members on this board especially to chicas is a degenerate. You deserve to have your ass kicked, and you will be banned by Jackson or whoever moderates this board now.
2nd point. This should serve as a reminder to everyone who reads this forum. There's a very small percentage of people on boards like this, who don't understand the Gentlemen's Agreement we have pertaining to the first rule. Be mindful of the info you provide when you meet your next wingman in MDE. We have a lot of Professionals, Retired Military, and Married Dudes on this board. We need to ensure their sick perverted tales of debauchery go no further than the paint stripped walls from which they occurred.
It's Bros before Hoes Fellas. If you can't get on board with this, get the Fuck Out![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493980]LOL. I made a report last week that my buddy had a test done and sent it to me and I was able to change it to my name and the date I needed. Now his girlfriend is coming to the states for Halloween and he needed me to make a copy with her name for when she goes back to Colombia. This is how the PCR test looks. When he got it there was no appointment needed. He just went up the the local CVS where the test was being offered and this document was emailed to him in 18 hours.[/QUOTE]Mr. E are you kidding, you falsified a COVID test for yourself and will be doing the same for someone else. That's not cool in my book, why would you do something like this. This whole testing business, albeit is a pain in the ass is serious stuff, and if it's so simple to manipulate test results, meaning there's no certification system in place as of yet for testing, then currently everyone is literally on the honor system regarding tests as anyone can fabricate a test result. I hope you were joking.
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I don't condone anyone falsifying medical documentation. Those who do are either cheap, lazy, or think they have COVID, but don't care about anyone else. I know what a PCR test looks like. I had one in September for that trip. Glad someone can go to a CVS some place without an appointment. And glad it came back so quickly. But there is no guarantee. My CVS says 2-3 business days. Other places say 3-5 business days.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2493980]LOL. I made a report last week that my buddy had a test done and sent it to me and I was able to change it to my name and the date I needed. Now his girlfriend is coming to the states for Halloween and he needed me to make a copy with her name for when she goes back to Colombia. This is how the PCR test looks. When he got it there was no appointment needed. He just went up the the local CVS where the test was being offered and this document was emailed to him in 18 hours.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=IguanaSix;2493889]What would you say if I told you the story was completely made up?[/QUOTE]Everything on the internet is true. Remember that jarhead. No one makes up stories on the Internet.
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2493982]Unfortunately this post is spot on. It's been a problem on this site and others like it for too many years. It is the reason I don't fuck with guys I don't know. Every time I read a "if anyone wants to meet up for a beer let me know" post the hairs go up on the back of my neck. I hope I am unreasonable and paranoid about this but I know from experience (not personal experience luckily) that there is cause for caution.[/QUOTE]What should one be scared of? What is so dangerous about meeting up for a beer that the hairs on your neck go up? Care to elaborate on your non personal experience? I've met 7 people from this board, they were from all different walks of life. I had a better time with some than others, but I don't think any of them were particularly dangerous.
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[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2493999]I don't condone anyone falsifying medical documentation. Those who do are either cheap, lazy, or think they have COVID, but don't care about anyone else. I know what a PCR test looks like. I had one in September for that trip. [/QUOTE]So what does it say about someone who knows exactly what test to get, but decides to get a different one because they "did not want to deal with the drama of having a COVID test that was sent out to a lab"?
I do not have Covid and I can actually get a PCR test for free. I am definitely not lazy. Well I am lazy, but not lazy enough not to be able to drive 8 minutes to the CVS closest to my house that gives the test. Now that those 3 options for excuses are exhausted, where does that leave me?
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Great report over in the Stupid Shit section by a new poster that has boots on the ground. I think Admin saw where the guy said rant in the first paragraph and just threw it over in that section.
[QUOTE=MSanchez;2493956]Against better judgement I picked a prepagos from mileroticos just to get my feet wet. Ad said 80 k special for that week but once she realized I'm not hispanic she said that was for last week and the current rate was 100 k.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2493982]Every time I read a "if anyone wants to meet up for a beer let me know" post the hairs go up on the back of my neck. I hope I am unreasonable and paranoid about this but I know from experience (not personal experience luckily) that there is cause for caution.[/QUOTE]Definitely unreasonable and paranoid. I have met and hung out with so many guys from this site that I have lost count. Many have even become good friends.
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2494101]Laureles is casa and private apartment heavens. Being a cheapy charlie and into fitness I chose to walk rather than take a cab. Never once felt threaten. From la 70 to la 80 into LOS colores, estadio area. By the way remember those locations. Guess what, often I wore shorts, a hat, white shoes LOL. Members don't recommend LOL. I did not walk around at night time though. Then I suggest a cab cause its so damn cheap. Centro is not my cup of tea. But really its just an ordinary busy central business district. Whats noticeable is the grimey and disgusting prostitutes mixed up with the harden hookers forced into prostituting or there because of drugs and desperation. Walking there occasionally in day time is not bad but I don't see it as a go to spot. I am actually shocked by guys who glow about the area. Having said this I do want to check out the strip clubs in centro just to say I experienced it. Medellin is cupcake city to me. Sweet and safe..[/QUOTE]Blakman you never cease to amaze me, almost sounds as though your afraid of your own shadow, LOL, especially the part about not going out at night in Laureles, or did you mean to say El Centro.
And what is the difference between a grimey and disgusting prostitute and a hardened hooker, aren't they one and the same? And why are you so shocked that some guys glow about El Centro, lots of guys thrive on it.
Up until the Pandemic it was my playground, kind of like a gigantic candy / ice cream shop with so many different flavors to sample. Yes, there are lots of hardened grimey Chicas there, but there's also lots of nice Chicas buried in all the rubble to be mined.
And being the Cheap Charlie you claim to be, and how cheap it can be to get laid in El Centro, I'm surprised your not all over it like fly's on shit.
However I know this is isn't your cup of tea, and wearing your shorts, hat, and white shoes is how you like to roll, but there are others who roll differently than you, with no way being the right way.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493891]Sang, if you want agreement from the guys here, you are going to get it. You will get a bunch of attaboys and verbal high 5's for posting what is the common theme around here.
These guys like to gather in a group and think that they are wise and that making a group decision makes them feel comfort. A lot of the guys here (Mr. E, JJBee, Paulie, and Nounce) were all constantly parroting the government line about Covid. I took a different stance and everything I posted about it was right and everything they posted was dead wrong. Instead of admitting it, these clowns have felt inferior and tried to knock me down any chance they can because they feel stupid, and they should feel stupid. The notion that governments were going to do anything to "cure" a cold virus was moronic. Governments always take credit for something good and points fingers when something goes wrong.
I had a two year engagement to a Venezuelan woman and if you listen to these idiots, the conclusion was not to get emotionally involved with a woman and not to expect loyalty with them unless you are with them every day. The other parts were that she did not love you but loved your money, she wanted to hang around her novio not you, and when she said you were a good lover, she was lying.
And the seemingly worst did happen. I found a social media page with a male model on it and it had a setting with the phrase #love on it, and the guys here had a field day with this. We break up, and it was humiliating that she showed the world this guy and not me. Still I got these mixed messages from her. She did not admit to being with this guy and was ashamed when I found out. She then said that she would always love me but she was sad because she ruined what we had. Her sister swore to me that this girl would never introduce me to her parents and then run around on me, that I followed her on social media videos. She communicated with me some afterwards but after a while it was me sending her an email, and she would respond with one of her videos.
Over the next few months, despite all she tried to show, every single impressive item that she showed in her videos was something that I had bought her. On top of that, there were no romantic videos of her and this guy. In fact, all the videos I saw showed the exact opposite. I sent her an email and say, "I do not think you were romantic with this guy. " The next day, she shows a video of them together at her parents house, and they are not like a couple but brother and sister. The irony is that her parents are staring daggers into this guy. I think her sister told the parents about this guy. In the end, I realize that she made the biggest mistake of her life, and I got lucky not being with her. Person after person told me, "You dodged a bullet. ".
So when the common thread on this forum is breached, that Colombian women really want to hang out with their novios, it appeared to be true, but it is not. There is peer pressure on the women to be with a Colombian. The best analogy I can make is a black woman being with a white guy like 20 years ago. Any black woman who did that back then had to tune out the image that was that she was fucking the small dicked white guy for money, and it took a strong woman to do that. Every young hot Colombian girl with an American guy has to face that image.
I do not think this guy was a novio. I think he was a guy who saw a hot chick that he could use to sell his product in a pyramid scheme ripoff known as IML. He made it out to be like they had this vetting process for her to be picked which is like a Madoff type scam, and it would not surprise me if she banged him to help her cause.
So this was the novio's scam. "You do not need the money of Elvis. You can make it yourself. " Needless to say, it did not work out. After a while, she had no problem saying she did not have a boyfriend and was in love just one time. It was an invitation to win her back, but I did not want her back.
Guys like to think when they are always rational when they make a decision, but all the time, I see that they are not. When you say all these women want to be with their novios, that is loser speak because you are applying a rule to a bunch of people you do not know. So why are you saying that? It makes you feel better. You got burned by a woman and instead of learning from it and getting back in the game, you denounce all women.
The same thing is going on with the women saying you are a good lover. Truth is that I was with my Mexican lawyer SB, and I was having a hard time getting it up, and she was trying, and she gave up and said, "Baby, it is just not happening today. " Every fucking guy here believes that. Why? Because they want to.
The next day we have sex and she has three orgasms. How many guys here believe that? One in a hundred at best. That is what pussies these guys are. It bothers me them so much it might be true, they will seek solace with each other and convince them it is not true and I am an idiot for believing it. And I was there!
When Paulie, the arrogant blowhard, said that a woman faked an orgasm with me, he showed the world how insecure he was. He is so threatened by me he has to make stuff up. That woman was a cold snob by the way and was not interested in impressing me at all. She was more the type to ***** if she did not have an orgasm then compliment you on giving her one.
And when you say you are not looking for an emotional connection, this is more bullshit you are saying to make yourself feel good.
From Psychology Today, In the Introduction, they describe an encounter where a venture capitalist, who attended one of Levitt's lectures one day, had a "date" with a $300-an-hour prostitute later in the same evening. The venture capitalist notices a copy of Freakonomics in the prostitute's apartment, and mentions that he had just attended a lecture by one of the authors of the book, in an attempt to impress the prostitute. Levitt and Dubner note: "The male instinct to impress the female is apparently strong even when the sex is already bought and paid for. ".
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In fact, the desire to impress women is so important it even has a three letter abbreviation, IOP or illusion of passion, but even that is hedging. Any guy who thinks that he can get a working girl off has to be under her illusion. "I am not stupid enough to believe this working girl got off with me. ".
Truth be told, I call these guys idiots but they really are not. "That is why more intelligent men are more likely to recognize and comprehend prostitution, and to have sex with prostitutes. ".
And you are even more intelligent if you can hold off on paying sex prison prices and go to Colombia.
But the next stage is admitting that you are trying to impress these women and you like it when they are impressed but only if you are doing something impressive. If you feel like being impressive is fake, then you say that you are not trying to impress these women.
When a guy said that I was paying women to like me, it was obvious to me that he was speaking from failed experience. Quite frankly, nothing turns a woman off more than a man shoving money down her throat. If you are a control freak, you can addict a woman to your money and own her, and the smart women know that and resist it.
When you said hot women are better off doing degrading acts so they could get ahead financially, there is something to be said about the fact that so few do. The reason the best women stay hot is that they engage in not just financially but emotionally healthy activities.
The Queen could go to a bar and have a hundred men by her a drink. If she does that, she will be an alcoholic. She has to pick out the one or two guys who buy her a drink that will really help her. A guy can look at buying the drink as being a loser if he gets nowhere and say "I should have spent the money on a working girl", or he can be honest and ask himself if he wasted money on a sponge or if he needs to get better at sealing the deal.
With a working girl, ALL that matters is money. With a woman and especially the best women, money is just part of it.
The debate about value is as old as time. The question about a steak at Denny's versus one at Morton's misses the point. I have had both, and they are both mass produced. What I want is a woman who I have helped put through cooking school making me a personal meal. How do you know if I guy is telling the truth about THAT experience? If he says sometimes, the steak blows Morton's away but sometimes it is worse than Denny's, you know he is honest.
So on my trip out of seven women, two are not better than Morton's and never will be. With them, it is "I am cooking you a steak, what else do you want?
One was a little worse than Morton's but thought she deserved to be paid way more than Morton's so I axed her.
Two had the potential to be as good or better than Morton's but were not so I am not going to let them go.
One was as good as Morton's, and one blew Morton's the fuck out of the water as she always does, and she is the one I spent five days with.
So why not lock her up right? Because I do not want one source of steaks. LOL.
Morton's is about as good as you can mass produced. The question is how do you get better than Morton's and for less? That requires a lot of time and money up front, but in the long run, it is actually cheaper.
In summary, most men play checkers and follow societal rules and get little value. Guys who see pros are playing chess. Guys who go abroad are playing 3-the chess. I am playing 5-the chess and to get to my level, you have to strip away the next levels of stereotypical bullshit to get there.[/QUOTE]Elvis there's something you're misunderstanding. I am not looking to make an emotional connection with these girls means prepagos or hookers.
I'm not ashamed to say if the right girl who was a normal girl came along I'm sure I'the be open to something emotional and physical.
Also those girls that I personally would wife up are almost impossible for a gringo to get. It would take a lot of work.
And I can tell you right now if more women were open to "degrading" acts in the bedroom especially the hot non pro ones I would definitely consider locking one up.
You stay doing whatever makes you happy. I use to get grilled on this board cause I would pay 2-300 USD for some women at Gustos or Lidos in Bogota.
But at the end of the day everyone does their own thing and learns along the way.
I'll still pay 2-300 usd for the right chick because I'm only thinking about the night. And what I want.
I state mere facts that I have learned through my 12 trips in the last 2. 5 years in Colombia.
It seems to me you're looking for love. And if you are I'm not here to knock you. But many have taken that road before it ends in the same result. Of course you're going to want to think you're different and you can change the outcome cause you're special.
How's it working out for you so far? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2493926]Simplier said than done given some of the Fayboo tales that other board members have posted.[/QUOTE]Like everything else, it's as easy or as difficult as you make it. How many times have you seen guys make a complete mess of things in El Centro? Heck, there's guys who manage to make casa visits a pain in the ass.
Facebook is no different. If you keep focused on your goal, it's pretty easy. If you get sidetracked by the drama you can get lost. I've done both.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2493891]These guys like to gather in a group and think that they are wise and that making a group decision makes them feel comfort. A lot of the guys here (Mr. E, JJBee, Paulie, and Nounce) were all constantly parroting the government line about Covid. I took a different stance and everything I posted about it was right and everything they posted was dead wrong. Instead of admitting it, these clowns have felt inferior and tried to knock me down any chance they can because they feel stupid,[/QUOTE]LOL. What the fuck. You must be off your rocker or meds. I never said any government shit about Covid. The only thing I ever said was what was done while I was in Thailand and how it worked out there because I actually lived it.
I am no epidemiologist, health professional, chemist, or none of that shit. You are only going to catch me talking about stuff I know about. I know about hoes and street shit. I know about different cultures. Diseases I know nothing about, so I say nothing about it. And if I did then I would not come on a site about fucking chicks to have an in-depth discussion on it, the same way I would not go on the CDC site and make an in-depth post about fucking chicks in Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Judd;2493966]Here's the moral of the story. The first rule of Fight Club. DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB! Anyone who discloses personal information about any of the members on this board especially to chicas is a degenerate. You deserve to have your ass kicked, and you will be banned by Jackson or whoever moderates this board now.
2nd point. This should serve as a reminder to everyone who reads this forum. There's a very small percentage of people on boards like this, who don't understand the Gentlemen's Agreement we have pertaining to the first rule. Be mindful of the info you provide when you meet your next wingman in MDE. We have a lot of Professionals, Retired Military, and Married Dudes on this board. We need to ensure their sick perverted tales of debauchery go no further than the paint stripped walls from which they occurred.
It's Bros before Hoes Fellas. If you can't get on board with this, get the Fuck Out![/QUOTE]You're going to need to either get on with the kicking of my ass, or the forcing me out. Whichever is more appealing to you. Let me know your decision so I know how long and how hard to laugh.
If you show up in Medellin, or anywhere else and you commit one of the following crimes, you aren't anyone's "bro. " You're just a turd that's long overdue to be flushed. These are some of the crimes:
Murder, rape, assault and battery, attempted murder, sexual abuse of a minor, rape of a minor, sexual assault and robbery.
Sorry if you feel I should have your back if any of these things are why you go to Medellin. If you're doing these types of things you gave up any claim to any "gentleman's agreement. " Gentlemen don't do those things.
As for "fight club" this ain't no homoerotic group where we all get together to beat on each other in order to satisfy our desires for homosexual contact. It's mongering. "Fight club" rules don't apply when every day we are interacting with women who have not agreed to be beaten up.
Fucking working girls in Colombia isn't sick and perverted. Anyone who is regularly visiting Colombia, everyone already suspects they're fucking working girls. Shit, my 80 year old Uncle, a retired preacher asked me about the women in Colombia. Nobody believes we're going to Colombia for coffee and empanadas.
Beating the shit out of working girls is sick and perverted. You could be one of my shipmates, you could be my doctor or you could be my brother, it doesn't matter. If you're going around beating up women, you're not my "bro", you're not even a man. You get no protection or sympathy from me.
Based upon this post and your earlier post, it certainly seems as if the alleged perpetrator actually does enjoy beating up women, but hasn't been arrested for it. Yet. It also appears you feel beating up women is behavior which falls under the "bro code."
Sorry, but that's not a code that's acceptable to me.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2494182]LOL. What the fuck. You must be off your rocker or meds. I never said any government shit about Covid. The only thing I ever said was what was done while I was in Thailand and how it worked out there because I actually lived it.[/QUOTE]Which fully refuted all the nonsense from Fox News talking heads and Trump's quacks that Elvis so doggedly was selling here. Certain public health measures, with proper implementation and compliance, work. End of story. Now back to the regular scheduling programming. Elvis, Western Union, and looking for love.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MnU6p3sGSw[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Knowledge;2493982]Unfortunately this post is spot on. It's been a problem on this site and others like it for too many years. It is the reason I don't fuck with guys I don't know. Every time I read a "if anyone wants to meet up for a beer let me know" post the hairs go up on the back of my neck. I hope I am unreasonable and paranoid about this but I know from experience (not personal experience luckily) that there is cause for caution.[/QUOTE]Taken out of context, this post is spot on. Taken in context it's complete bullshit.
The context is:
Should we, as mongers, be protecting mongers who commit serious and violent crimes while mongering?
I'm never going to dig into someone's Facebook page, connect to their real social media and tell their friends and family what he's doing in Colombia. Even the guys who stress "just turned 18" so often that you know they're fishing in illegal waters, don't concern me. It may be wrong, but it's consensual. They know the risks.
However, the source of the post you agree wholeheartedly with, seems to be saying we need to protect guys who are committing violent crimes within our community.
I refuse to agree to that "code. " I refuse to accept that anyone who would agree to that "code" is a man worthy of anything except for my disdain.
So let's apply the "bro code" to the situation in question, then give your reaction.
Allegedly a monger beat up a hooker and put her in the hospital. It was rumored the monger had been arrested. I now doubt that information. I was doubting whether a hooker had been beaten up until now. Based upon Judd's post, it seems likely the beating occurred.
So here's your "bro code" test:
A hooker you know well sends you pictures. She's bruised and bloody. She says she's in the hospital and sends more pictures. You're probably assuming she's about to ask for money. Instead she tells you a gringo did it to her. She sends you his info, including Facebook profile.
What's your "bro code" ruling on that situation? Do you:
A. Do nothing. It's none of your business.
Be. Warn your other regulars about the guy.
See. Tell the girl to go to the police.
The. Defend the guy.
E. Something else?
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[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2493999]I don't condone anyone falsifying medical documentation. Those who do are either cheap, lazy, or think they have COVID, but don't care about anyone else. I know what a PCR test looks like. I had one in September for that trip. Glad someone can go to a CVS some place without an appointment. And glad it came back so quickly. But there is no guarantee. My CVS says 2-3 business days. Other places say 3-5 business days.[/QUOTE]My CVS, last I checked said 7-10 days or longer.
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[QUOTE=Kazeu;2494034]What should one be scared of? What is so dangerous about meeting up for a beer that the hairs on your neck go up? Care to elaborate on your non personal experience? I've met 7 people from this board, they were from all different walks of life. I had a better time with some than others, but I don't think any of them were particularly dangerous.[/QUOTE]At a guess I've met 30-40 people from this board, including an admin. With some we clicked, with some we didn't. Even the guys I've bickered with, and the couple of guys who suggested committing acts of violence against me, I have no problems with meeting.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2494182]LOL. What the fuck. You must be off your rocker or meds. I never said any government shit about Covid. The only thing I ever said was what was done while I was in Thailand and how it worked out there because I actually lived it.[/QUOTE]LOL, MrE. I was also talking about what I actually experienced in person where there is 0 case. Besides, what government?
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[QUOTE=MSanchez;2493956]Hola Hombres,
...Yeah this forum seems to be going off the rails lately.
...I went to the Claro store at the Centro Commercial Santa Fe. Nice mall but I do not recommend doing it this way. Took like an hour to wait for a sales person to get free and it wasn't even busy. [/QUOTE]Yeah, no kidding. This forum is going downhill at an alarming rate. Let's hope it's due to Covid and that things would go back to normal.
Avoid Claro (or other brand stores), highly inefficient and they waste your time, as they are not helpful. Next time, get your SIM card at independent stores around Calle 10 and Avenida Poblado. There is a park there, and you can see a relatively large brown stone building at the corner. I usually get my sim card there.
Nice report, too bad it is not in the main Medellin report. This is the wrong place for it.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2494156]Blakman you never cease to amaze me, almost sounds as though your afraid of your own shadow, LOL, especially the part about not going out at night in Laureles, or did you mean to say El Centro.
And what is the difference between a grimey and disgusting prostitute and a hardened hooker, aren't they one and the same? And why are you so shocked that some guys glow about El Centro, lots of guys thrive on it.
Up until the Pandemic it was my playground, kind of like a gigantic candy / ice cream shop with so many different flavors to sample. Yes, there are lots of hardened grimey Chicas there, but there's also lots of nice Chicas buried in all the rubble to be mined.
And being the Cheap Charlie you claim to be, and how cheap it can be to get laid in El Centro, I'm surprised your not all over it like fly's on shit.
However I know this is isn't your cup of tea, and wearing your shorts, hat, and white shoes is how you like to roll, but there are others who roll differently than you, with no way being the right way.[/QUOTE]+1, I found a pearl just yesterday. I personally like to be there, and I will go again today. Just with the necessary for a couple of shots and the taxi. And I don't bring the phone with me.
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Put your reading glasses on old man. I'm referring to the source of the disinformation not you the reporter.
Take Care and Stay Safe!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494186]You're going to need to either get on with the kicking of my ass, or the forcing me out. Whichever is more appealing to you. Let me know your decision so I know how long and how hard to laugh.
If you show up in Medellin, or anywhere else and you commit one of the following crimes, you aren't anyone's "bro. " You're just a turd that's long overdue to be flushed. These are some of the crimes:
Murder, rape, assault and battery, attempted murder, sexual abuse of a minor, rape of a minor, sexual assault and robbery.
Sorry if you feel I should have your back if any of these things are why you go to Medellin. If you're doing these types of things you gave up any claim to any "gentleman's agreement. " Gentlemen don't do those things.
As for "fight club" this ain't no homoerotic group where we all get together to beat on each other in order to satisfy our desires for homosexual contact. It's mongering. "Fight club" rules don't apply when every day we are interacting with women who have not agreed to be beaten up.
Fucking working girls in Colombia isn't sick and perverted. Anyone who is regularly visiting Colombia, everyone already suspects they're fucking working girls. Shit, my 80 year old Uncle, a retired preacher asked me about the women in Colombia. Nobody believes we're going to Colombia for coffee and empanadas.
Beating the shit out of working girls is sick and perverted. You could be one of my shipmates, you could be my doctor or you could be my brother, it doesn't matter. If you're going around beating up women, you're not my "bro", you're not even a man. You get no protection or sympathy from me.
Based upon this post and your earlier post, it certainly seems as if the alleged perpetrator actually does enjoy beating up women, but hasn't been arrested for it. Yet. It also appears you feel beating up women is behavior which falls under the "bro code."
Sorry, but that's not a code that's acceptable to me.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494186]You're going to need to either get on with the kicking of my ass, or the forcing me out. Whichever is more appealing to you. Let me know your decision so I know how long and how hard to laugh.
If you show up in Medellin, or anywhere else and you commit one of the following crimes, you aren't anyone's "bro. " You're just a turd that's long overdue to be flushed. These are some of the crimes:
Murder, rape, assault and battery, attempted murder, sexual abuse of a minor, rape of a minor, sexual assault and robbery.
Sorry if you feel I should have your back if any of these things are why you go to Medellin. If you're doing these types of things you gave up any claim to any "gentleman's agreement. " Gentlemen don't do those things.
As for "fight club" this ain't no homoerotic group where we all get together to beat on each other in order to satisfy our desires for homosexual contact. It's mongering. "Fight club" rules don't apply when every day we are interacting with women who have not agreed to be beaten up.
Fucking working girls in Colombia isn't sick and perverted. Anyone who is regularly visiting Colombia, everyone already suspects they're fucking working girls. Shit, my 80 year old Uncle, a retired preacher asked me about the women in Colombia. Nobody believes we're going to Colombia for coffee and empanadas.[/QUOTE]You need to take this whatever beef you have with this these dude directly to them. You flip flopping all over the place and it's annoying as shit. And yeah going around slandering another monger here and on facebook to the chicas and other mongers without any facts is breaking bro code not to mention any human decency.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2494145]Your advice sounds very generic, almost applicable to anywhere in the world, yet not totally applicable to Colombia, and Euro's aren't used in Colombia.[/QUOTE]He's not actually in Colombia. Unfortunately, he is trolling. Pretending to be in Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2494225]You need to take this whatever beef you have with this these dude directly to them. You flip flopping all over the place and it's annoying as shit. And yeah going around slandering another monger here and on facebook to the chicas and other mongers without any facts is breaking bro code not to mention any human decency.[/QUOTE]Flip flopping? You seem to have me confused with someone else. I stated long ago and continue to state, if you are beating up women, whether or not they are hookers, I will not defend you, and if I can help to make sure you never do it again, I will.
Apparently you and a few others define "human decency" differently. Under my definition, a decent human does not beat up women.
I have not slandered another monger, something which is impossible to do on an online forum. Ask your lawyer to explain the difference between slander and libel. I have no "beef" with the monger who allegedly committed the crime. My purpose has been and remains, to remind mongers (because apparently there are some incredibly stupid ones out there) that committing crimes of violence against women in Colombia is a really bad idea.
If you feel that beating up women in Colombia is okay under your "bro code" and it's something guys should do, then grow a pair of testicles and say so. Otherwise, stop getting your panties in a twist because I'm telling guys not to beat up women.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494284]Flip flopping? You seem to have me confused with someone else. I stated long ago and continue to state, if you are beating up women, whether or not they are hookers, I will not defend you, and if I can help to make sure you never do it again, I will.
Apparently you and a few others define "human decency" differently. Under my definition, a decent human does not beat up women.
I have not slandered another monger, something which is impossible to do on an online forum. Ask your lawyer to explain the difference between slander and libel. I have no "beef" with the monger who allegedly committed the crime. My purpose has been and remains, to remind mongers (because apparently there are some incredibly stupid ones out there) that committing crimes of violence against women in Colombia is a really bad idea.
If you feel that beating up women in Colombia is okay under your "bro code" and it's something guys should do, then grow a pair of testicles and say so. Otherwise, stop getting your panties in a twist because I'm telling guys not to beat up women.[/QUOTE]Will you give it a rest social justice warriors no one on here is saying that beating a girl is OK or condoning it. What I'm saying is if you believe its true with this guy take it up with him. Nobody wants to hear your little lectures like we grew up in a bubble. Peace!
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[QUOTE=MSanchez;2493956]Hola Hombres,
Yeah this forum seems to be going off the rails lately. Are there any mods here at all? So many big egos and personal attacks, it seemed to be much more jovial and carefree if you go back 6 months or so RTFF. Some of yall have too much free time or need to get laid or most likely both. Or I guess the loudest more annoying people love to constantly post and argue whereas the silent majority stay out of it. Just my $.02 and mini rant.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the valuable intel, unfortunately these types of reports are likely to get lost in the madness but keep them coming. Do you have a link to the girl on mileroticos?
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Why don't you PM me so we can save the other member's from having to read this crap. And Yes, I'm sticking up for the guy whose been harassed by some lunatic for nearly three years now.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494199]Taken out of context, this post is spot on. Taken in context it's complete bullshit.
The context is:
Should we, as mongers, be protecting mongers who commit serious and violent crimes while mongering?
I'm never going to dig into someone's Facebook page, connect to their real social media and tell their friends and family what he's doing in Colombia. Even the guys who stress "just turned 18" so often that you know they're fishing in illegal waters, don't concern me. It may be wrong, but it's consensual. They know the risks.
However, the source of the post you agree wholeheartedly with, seems to be saying we need to protect guys who are committing violent crimes within our community.
I refuse to agree to that "code. " I refuse to accept that anyone who would agree to that "code" is a man worthy of anything except for my disdain.
So let's apply the "bro code" to the situation in question, then give your reaction.
Allegedly a monger beat up a hooker and put her in the hospital. It was rumored the monger had been arrested. I now doubt that information. I was doubting whether a hooker had been beaten up until now. Based upon Judd's post, it seems likely the beating occurred.
So here's your "bro code" test:
A hooker you know well sends you pictures. She's bruised and bloody. She says she's in the hospital and sends more pictures. You're probably assuming she's about to ask for money. Instead she tells you a gringo did it to her. She sends you his info, including Facebook profile.
What's your "bro code" ruling on that situation? Do you:
A. Do nothing. It's none of your business.
Be. Warn your other regulars about the guy.
See. Tell the girl to go to the police.
The. Defend the guy.
E. Something else?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2494400] Do you have a link to the girl on mileroticos?[/QUOTE]OMG! Why?
MSanchez posted: "The catch was she definitely wouldn't be up to yalls standards, maybe a 5 at best. A 6 in the face but a 4 in the body and her ad pics were real I think but the face was blurred out. Huge natural tits full of sweet tasty materna leche which is why I picked her, but too much extra weight around the middle and crazy bad mommy damage."
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2494196] Certain public health measures, with proper implementation and compliance, work. End of story.[/QUOTE]My exact point, and the virus is raging on all over the world hitting all time records now, but you, Paulie (the arrogant blowhard), JJBee, Nounce, and Mr. E, have the cure.
You all know what to do, and Colombia did everything you and the so called experts recommended and what happened?
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[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2494493]OMG! Why?
MSanchez posted: "The catch was she definitely wouldn't be up to yalls standards, maybe a 5 at best. A 6 in the face but a 4 in the body and her ad pics were real I think but the face was blurred out. Huge natural tits full of sweet tasty materna leche which is why I picked her, but too much extra weight around the middle and crazy bad mommy damage."[/QUOTE]So other people don't make the same mistake. Maybe the photos are deceptive.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2494163]How's it working out for you so far? LOL.[/QUOTE]Would you believe me if I told you?
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2494163]Elvis there's something you're misunderstanding. I am not looking to make an emotional connection with these girls means prepagos or hookers.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't with those women. Prepagos and hookers care about nothing but the quick buck.
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2494163]I'm not ashamed to say if the right girl who was a normal girl came along I'm sure I'the be open to something emotional and physical.
Also those girls that I personally would wife up are almost impossible for a gringo to get. It would take a lot of work.
And I can tell you right now if more women were open to "degrading" acts in the bedroom especially the hot non pro ones I would definitely consider locking one up.[/QUOTE]What you are saying is almost impossible is not. I have three and possibly four who are willing to wife up with me. My favorite girl is named Angel. She said to me, "Carino, I want to ask you something. " Normally, I would think "okay, how much?" but not with Angel. She then asked, "My girlfriend licks her novio's asshole while giving him a handjob, and they both like it. Can we try that?
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2494163]I use to get grilled on this board cause I would pay 2-300 USD for some women at Gustos or Lidos in Bogota.
I'll still pay 2-300 usd for the right chick because I'm only thinking about the night. And what I want.
I state mere facts that I have learned through my 12 trips in the last 2. 5 years in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I paid top dollar back at the high end clubs in Bogota a decade or so again. The sex did not come close to matching what Brazil had to offer. The breakup with my ex led me to Bogota. I was going to try to win her back, but part of me just did not want to go. I used [URL]seeking.com[/URL] to try to find more normal type women. I read Routard's report about Colombian women, and I was surprised because the Colombian women I met did not seem to like the type he described at all. I learned otherwise.
About half the women I met were hooker types, only interested in money. Thing is the first one I met was the kind of woman Routard described. Her name is Julieth and she was a very good lover but more than that she exuded positivity and she is a school teacher, and had this school teacher vibe like you want her approval. I took her to San Andreas, got lost, and 99% of women would have been frustrated, but she was smiling just happy to be there.
When we went to a supermarket there, she put in some body lotion in the cart, and I asked her what it is for and she said to give me a massage, and she massaged me at least 30 minutes every night. She loves sending me sex videos.
The issue with her is that there was family drama when someone learned I paid for her trip. She was accused of being a working girl. She has not introduced me to much of her family and her personality does not match Angel's, so I am probably going to let her go.
You are saying that these women prefer their novios to us? She was with one for ten years. They broke up, and she was upset, "I did everything for him. " With me, she does not have to do everything. Hell, anytime I want phone video sex, she is game because she so badly wants to give back to me.
So what advantage do the Colombian novios have over us? They are there, but in this case, it was good and bad. There is also less peer pressure being with them, but what do these women REALLY care about? It is not how they look with their girlfriends or being a star on a night out with a dreamy guy. What matters to them is their families, and it is not even close.
So with Julieth, the family washer broke down, and her mother is washing everything by hand. Guys here have this idea that I am throwing money at women. The truth is that the women ask me and I will often say no. She showed me how much it was, and I gave her 80% of the money for a new washer. When it is over $100, I do not like to pay it all. She paid the rest herself, and her mother is grateful, and Julieth even told her mother that I helped pay for it. How many Colombian novios can do that?
I have had four women in Colombia turn me down for money when I offered: Julieth, Angel, the Queen and Stacy the Stewardess. Jessica the engineer will ask for money once in a blue moon, but she did not ask for cash when I saw her. All either have jobs or a parent making enough that they are not dependent on me for money. Julieth has said te amo to me. The Queen and Angel have said Te quiero repeatedly. A little more time and Stacy and Jessica will probably be there as well.
When you say you are looking just for sex, that is another way of saying you want pleasure. What nobody talks about here is the loneliness between women. I have done Mr. E's banging multiple women and when you do that, sex gets boring. You can be with someone and fuck them and still be lonely if all it is about the cash.
There is value in a woman who looks at you that special way, gives you that loving smile, and instead of running out the door, wants to be no place else other than in your arms.
And I am done with the notion that the women are not telling me the truth about how good of a lover I am. Truth is that I have heard Colombian men are selfish in bed. Angel has told me we have the best sex she has ever had and was used to being fucked by men who cum in 5 minutes.
I am always looking for someone who can provide me pleasure, and I am willing to do my share. The problem is finding a woman willing to do hers consistently.
I remember the TV show House. An intern asked why he, Dr. House, picked her, and he said, "You are pretty. " She was offended and then he followed up, "No, I mean you are pretty, do not have to work hard, and you do anyway. " That is what I have found with Colombian women that makes them special: the work ethic, the intelligence, the upbeat attitude, the close ties with family, their nurturing attitude, AND the beauty.
When I compared the women to Morton's, what I am comparing them to is the best hookers I have ever had. Angel is better than any hooker I have had, and the Queen and Julieth (who I did not see on my last trip) are right there with the best.
I said Mr. E is a man of action but the other three guys I mentioned (Nounce, JJBee, and Paulie) are on this forum every day but they are not headed to Colombia because they are scared, and they are way better fear wise than the average American. Even though Colombia has fewer cases per capita than the sex prison, a lot of guys are afraid to go. Mojo Bandit said that guys like me who went right away were "canaries in the coal mine" implying "smart" men like him would hold back. Yeesh.
When you say, I am not going to be fooled: the women want me for money, I am not as good of a lover as the Colombian guys, the women really want to be with the Colombian guys, you are acting out of fear, and you will not get the best Colombia has to offer. You have already checked yourself out of the game and said, "I am going to lose so I am not going to play. " But I have played and won repeatedly, and that is why I have gotten so much shit from other guys here. They are too scared to play my game. Yes, you might lose and get hurt (and the idiots here react with glee when I do lose) but you can also hit the jackpot.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494284]I have not slandered another monger, something which is impossible to do on an online forum. Ask your lawyer to explain the difference between slander and libel. I have no "beef" with the monger who allegedly committed the crime.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone believe you, Tinder? You have lied so many times about me I have lost count. I quote Fauci directly and you say he is "taken out of context". Even now, it is more bullshit about libel and slander. I will make it easy. You are a fucking liar, and everybody knows it. Is that technically correct?
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2494284]My purpose has been and remains, to remind mongers (because apparently there are some incredibly stupid ones out there) that committing crimes of violence against women in Colombia is a really bad idea. If you feel that beating up women in Colombia is okay under your "bro code" and it's something guys should do, then grow a pair of testicles and say so. Otherwise, stop getting your panties in a twist because I'm telling guys not to beat up women.[/QUOTE]Nah, I do not believe that is your purpose. I think the first is your need to be smug. "I would never do that. " as if to feel superior which is something you always do. Even when you lie, you are trying to be superior.
The second and much worse is that I have noticed that when people say something to the effect of "I would never do that", many are often the first ones to do it.
Guys need to be told to not beat up women? What is next? You are going to tell us to brush our teeth too. Do you really think that you need to tell grown men that? My God, you are an arrogant POS.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2494400]Thanks for the valuable intel, unfortunately these types of reports are likely to get lost in the madness but keep them coming. Do you have a link to the girl on mileroticos?[/QUOTE]Hey guys,
I never saw my post show up in the main Medellin thread so I assume it got deleted somehow because my wifi sucks at my airbnb, constantly drops in and out and 10 mbps down on a good day. The internet on my claro phone is faster than the wifi. Anyways I found it here and finally got caught up with the replies and a few PM's. I just checked and that one prepagos ad is still there, I'd hate to post a direct link out in the open because she was a nice lady and definitely showed me a good time and took care of me as agreed for a fair price. But if you're curious just search for materna leche on mileroticos, she's literally the only post that comes up. I think the photos are her but add maybe 10 kg and a ton of mommy marks around the middle. If you still can't find her PM me and I'll send you the link. I'm surprised I couldn't find any emberazada girls on mileroticos or photoprepagos but I guess they're just as rare here as they are back in the estadio unidad.
I did call one more girl from mileroticos, her pictures were real but the service was definitely more mechanical and just more businesslike overall. Still she didn't try to rob me or hustle me and the service was good enough. The total was 250 k which is high I know, but it included anal why natural oral why 2 compleciones why besos negros which I never got the last one actually but I didn't really push or ask for it at the time either. It was also outcall on a rainy day, if I went to her apartment instead without any extras I think it was only 70 k to go to her place near the stadium and 130k for outcall without any extras. She had a great all natural body, firm perky large be's maybe even see's up top, firm curvy backside, cute face, seemed early 20's. If you want to see her ad just search for kimberly on mileroticos, she's the morena in red. But she definitely had the hooker attitude, no real small talk, kind of aggressive through text, straight to business once she arrived and kind of a clock watcher to be honest. Still though she seemed nice enough even if I wouldn't repeat with her, or if I did I would just go to her place for a quickie. Oh yeah and don't bother paying extra for anal with her, she doesn't seem to enjoy it too much. I prefer to only do anal with girls who actually get off to it, I'm not into the whole pain / s&m thing. And I mentioned it in the main forum but there's lube out there that girls use for anal that will numb their asshole I guess, do not get that shit on your bare dick. It will make it numb, trust me. Fair warning. Shit was like novacaine.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2494209]Yeah, no kidding. This forum is going downhill at an alarming rate. Let's hope it's due to Covid and that things would go back to normal.
Avoid Claro (or other brand stores), highly inefficient and they waste your time, as they are not helpful. Next time, get your SIM card at independent stores around Calle 10 and Avenida Poblado. There is a park there, and you can see a relatively large brown stone building at the corner. I usually get my sim card there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, yeah definitely will try this way next time. I might even just get a new sim card when this one runs out of data, I tried to sign up for the mi claro app to recharge data but it won't let me log in because it says I already have an account but I can't access it because I have no idea what info the lady used at the claro store. It's very frustrating and I'm dreading to go back there to ask them to help me fix the log in issue.
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[QUOTE=Frank11;2500331]Well there is one option to keep the European price equal to med prices. Instead of banging two Facebook girls every month for 2 years for 400,000. Use porn hub for 2 years save money and then it will be easy to bring your girlfriend from Europe to visit you in Colombia.
What fun is it to bang the hottest 10 at the casa if the whole time you're thinking of some 8 girl you know back home. Like someone said, Value and attractiveness may be different depending on the eye of the beholder.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Frank11;2500465]Well it makes more sense if we talk about. The winter in Europe is brutal. Some girls would love walk around in their underwear November through February. Plus it's more than just escorting. Sex, friendship, a sisster. That's also what I was saying this type of close relationship I could just ask and if she were web camming In my place she would tell me all the details. Plus I would be interested. Nothing she would mind telling me. Not just any girl it's a close friend. I bet she would have such a good time She would consider staying longer. The price doesn't have to be expensive. Just abstain from from sex for 2 years in med. Save the money. There you go.
So you say Europe is cooler. Maybe, but she will have that for the rest of her life. Why not see something new and exciting for a change. She already asked me like 8 times when she could come over. In the beginning I thought it was a joke. I was like I'll see you tthere better. But after thinking about it....[/QUOTE]This is a monger board. The stuff you talk about makes no sense.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2500475]This is a monger board. The stuff you talk about makes no sense.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you Nounce. Some of the gibberish I read just leaves me scratching my head. I can't understand what motivates some people to consistently write such off topic nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with Medellin. It would be great if a Mod could do a mass delete. Over on the Bogota board there was an excellent in depth report recently, sadly they are becoming more and more scarce.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2500511]I totally agree with you Nounce. Some of the gibberish I read just leaves me scratching my head. I can't understand what motivates some people to consistently write such off topic nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with Medellin. It would be great if a Mod could do a mass delete. Over on the Bogota board there was an excellent in depth report recently, sadly they are becoming more and more scarce.[/QUOTE]Nothing to scratch your head about, it's actually been just a plethora of fictional reports.
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[QUOTE=Frank11;2500465]Well it makes more sense if we talk about. The winter in Europe is brutal. Some girls would love walk around in their underwear November through February. Plus it's more than just escorting. Sex, friendship, a sisster. That's also what I was saying this type of close relationship I could just ask and if she were web camming In my place she would tell me all the details. Plus I would be interested. Nothing she would mind telling me. Not just any girl it's a close friend. I bet she would have such a good time She would consider staying longer. The price doesn't have to be expensive. Just abstain from from sex for 2 years in med. Save the money. There you go.
So you say Europe is cooler. Maybe, but she will have that for the rest of her life. Why not see something new and exciting for a change. She already asked me like 8 times when she could come over. In the beginning I thought it was a joke. I was like I'll see you tthere better. But after thinking about it....[/QUOTE]What you blabbering about man? Stay on topic.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2500511]I can't understand what motivates some people to consistently write such off topic nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with Medellin. It would be great if a Mod could do a mass delete.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2500475]This is a monger board. The stuff you talk about makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackThought;2500553]What you blabbering about man? Stay on topic.[/QUOTE]
Okay I will request my username and posts to be deleted within a few days at the following link: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/sendmessage.php[/URL].
Also you can add users to your ignore list here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/profile.php?do=ignorelist[/URL].
And 3rd thingg you should become moderator yourself and mass delete all the messages you don't like. Just apply for moderator status.
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[QUOTE=Black Page;2500388]"nh" is the standard correct Spanish way to write ń on a limited ASCII set.[/QUOTE]
I made some research and I must admit that what I wrote is highly controversial and cannot be claimed as absolutely true.
It is true that "nh" is often written instead of "ń" when "ń" cannot be accepted by the system and is generally accepted as a workaround, but "ń" is something highly significant and simbolic for classic Spanish. Defenders of Tradition even wanted a law in Spain to forbid early computers which did not accept "ń"!
Today, "ń" is possible on all Windows and Apple, but since it is not in the first 128 characters of ASCII still it makes problems. For example, if I edit a post with "ń", vBulletin removes all "ń" from posts. I had to edit my post two times, to re-insert all instances of "ń".
Moreover, it is not possible to use "ń" in email addresses on the Internet.
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[QUOTE=Black Page;2500561]I made some research and I must admit that what I wrote is highly controversial and cannot be claimed as absolutely true.
It is true that "nh" is often written instead of "" when "" cannot be accepted by the system and is generally accepted as a workaround, ...[/QUOTE]
nh in Portugese sounds the same to me. Espańol in Portugese is Espanhol
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2500570]nh in Portugese sounds the same to me. Espaol in Portugese is Espanhol[/QUOTE]Thanks for the grammar class. Completely on topic. Thanks. Real smart. Like you said to me, This is a sex guide board. Not grammar level 10 larousse.
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[QUOTE=Frank11;2500566]I'm still going to cancel my account.
Just wanted to say I was talking about an escort from Europe coming to visit a friend in Colombia. How could that possibly be off topic in a Colombia sex guide? Where does it say we can only talk about 30,000 peso an hour street hookers. What I was saying is on topic.
And what I said does make sense. What don't you understand? It's just a friend coming to visit another friend and then having sex. It's not calculos 6.
You don't make sense. Build your own forum. Then you can say fantastical statements like talking about escorts in colombia is completely off topic.
I was thinking of deleting my account about a week ago because I was just too busy doing other things.
Bye bye.[/QUOTE]This poster is about as nutty, peculiar, implausible, and lacking credibility as the last detected fraud. SJobs. Maybe one and the same.
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[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2500586]This poster is about as nutty, peculiar, implausible, and lacking credibility as the last detected fraud. SJobs. Maybe one and the same.[/QUOTE]Really? Prove it then? You are completely rude and is evident through your own statement. You just lack the mental capacity to leave your own perspective and understand someone else's different mindframe. Since you can't do that your explanation for everything is that lacks credibility.
Explain your point of view with evidence instead of just making baseless accusations.
Spider rider is probably just sjob 2nd VPN account he created a year ago.
If only you could have some God-given power to actually verify I'm telling the truth. Only then would you understand how ridiculous you are of accusing me of being a detected fraud. Whatever. Paranoid spider writer.
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How To Safely Bang El Centro Chicas During COVID
While I was in El Centro last week, I wore a N95 surgical mask, a face shield, latex gloves, and when taking my street urchins arriba, they were required to wear a face mask and only pull down their pants. Additionally, I would only bang them in doggy, with only my zipper down, while wearing two condoms, and no face to face interaction.
On Saturday I returned to the USA via Jetblue and actually did wear what I listed above while travelling for almost 12 hours total with the N95 mask only off for a few moments while in the FLL terminal. I spent time flying on two flights wearing the above-mentioned PPE as though I was in a COVID ward of a Hospital.
It's probably good I departed Medellin on Saturday, because I could easily see myself getting infected, which may already be the case God forbid. I have other family members in my home so I am self isolating until the Tuesday before Thanksgiving when I'm going to get tested and hopefully will be negative so I can have a nice Thanksgiving dinner.
I observed a lot of desperation in the Chicas in El Centro, with many of them being very aggressive, and some of them begging me to take them.
While flying I was thinking that for a lot of the women working the streets of El Centro, if they had minor symptoms of COVID, not knowing perhaps they had it, I suspect a lot of them are working regardless. Granted, I didn't take up any girls I hadn't been with before, and spoke with them asking if they had any symptoms, feeling their faces to see if they had a fever. But who knows, they could of been infected without symptoms.
I'm not trying to scare anyone, but there is a clear and present danger mongering during this time, and I believe much more so in El Centro. I know a lot of guys are frightened and some not much at all. I kept thinking to myself that on Saturday I was all suited up in PPE while flying, while the day before on Friday I'm banging away in El Centro getting uncovered BJ's and the only protection being a condom during intercourse. And I was in these Love Motels naked rolling around on the beds touching all kinds of surfaces which weren't being sterilized after each use. These kind of thoughts are still going thru my head.
I had such a great time during my week in Medellin. I had three days of bliss in my apartment shacked up with a Nympho who fucked me around the clock, and got too bang a bunch of my favorites in El Centro.
Hopefully an effective vaccine is around the corner and I will return like the rabid dog I used to be before the Pandemic.
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We hope to see you back here soon. Stay well in the meantime.
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2503009]While I was in El Centro last week, I wore a N95 surgical mask, a face shield, latex gloves, and when taking my street urchins arriba, they were required to wear a face mask and only pull down their pants. Additionally, I would only bang them in doggy, with only my zipper down, while wearing two condoms, and no face to face interaction.
On Saturday I returned to the USA via Jetblue and actually did wear what I listed above while travelling for almost 12 hours total with the N95 mask only off for a few moments while in the FLL terminal. I spent time flying on two flights wearing the above-mentioned PPE as though I was in a COVID ward of a Hospital.
It's probably good I departed Medellin on Saturday, because I could easily see myself getting infected, which may already be the case God forbid. I have other family members in my home so I am self isolating until the Tuesday before Thanksgiving when I'm going to get tested and hopefully will be negative so I can have a nice Thanksgiving dinner..[/QUOTE]
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Yes you are
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2503009]I'm not trying to scare anyone[/QUOTE]It's quite obvious that you are. So let me add a counterpoint.
70% of the people who died from covid are over 65, of that 70% 96% of them had two or more comorbidities. The overall recovery rate from covid including all cases is 99.74% so there is no reason to run in terror.
The CDC has a web page that shows the running tally of deaths WITH covid distributed by age, it shows the total number of people that have died of all causes in an age group and then the number who died while positive from covid.
I used this to explain to one of my regulars who's 31 that whole 55,812 people between the ages of 25 and 34 have died so far this year only 1769 of them have been positive for covid when they died.
I'm not a denier, I know covid is a real thing and it tears through the elderly and infirm at a horrific rate but it's time to end the fear porn, if you're under 50 and in reasonable health you can swim in giant petri dishes where they are cultivating covid and if you're one of the 20% or so who catch it you're chances of making a full and complete recovery are 99.9 something. Covid is not ebola and it's time to stop pretending that it is because I'll tell you what's going to be the real killer with covid and that's going to be starvation. So far 1. 3 million people have died WITH covid in 2020 and the UN projects that an additional nine million fucking people are going to starve to death next year as a direct result of the economic damage from covid mitigation. 400,000,000 people (that's the entire population of the US, England, Scotland, Wales, Norther Ireland, and half of Canada) have been forced into extreme poverty due to covid shutdowns. That's 5% of the entire population of the world. That was after the first round only and now they are starting round two, by the time this is over there will be more than a billion people starving in the world.
I'm having a hard time saying this so people will understand it so let me try it simply. Whatever the problem is, if the solution means you destroy the lives of five percent of the people on the planet which will mean 20-40,000,000 deaths over the next five years, then you have the wrong solution. It's like if you're prone to headaches and I cut your head off I've stopped the headaches but have I really solved the problem?
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]
If you want to see something really interesting you can go to the CDC's provisional death counts for covid and take the number from the "Deaths from all causes" column then figure out the average daily number of people who have died in the US, then compare that number to the average daily number of people who died of all causes in the US in 2017,2018, and 2019. Once you have that answer then you can scratch your head and say "that can't fucking be right" and do it again, then scratch your head and say "how the fuck can that be right?
Seriously, do the math and draw your own conclusions, all of this is available for anybody to see it.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URl]
I know you have been a member here a long time and I'm not going to turn this into a long thing, in fact I won't answer it all, but please give some of those poor hookers a break and stop with the fear porn, the third world can't take another lockdown.
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[QUOTE=Admin2;2505056]It's quite obvious that you are. So let me add a counterpoint.
70% of the people who died from covid are over 65, of that 70% 96% of them had two or more comorbidities. The overall recovery rate from covid including all cases is 99.74% so there is no reason to run in terror.
The CDC has a web page that shows the running tally of deaths WITH covid distributed by age, it shows the total number of people that have died of all causes in an age group and then the number who died while positive from covid.
I used this to explain to one of my regulars who's 31 that whole 55,812 people between the ages of 25 and 34 have died so far this year only 1769 of them have been positive for covid when they died.
I'm not a denier, I know covid is a real thing and it tears through the elderly and infirm at a horrific rate but it's time to end the fear porn, if you're under 50 and in reasonable health you can swim in giant petri dishes where they are cultivating covid and if you're one of the 20% or so who catch it you're chances of making a full and complete recovery are 99.9 something. Covid is not ebola and it's time to stop pretending that it is because I'll tell you what's going to be the real killer with covid and that's going to be starvation. So far 1. 3 million people have died WITH covid in 2020 and the UN projects that an additional nine million fucking people are going to starve to death next year as a direct result of the economic damage from covid mitigation. 400,000,000 people (that's the entire population of the US, England, Scotland, Wales, Norther Ireland, and half of Canada) have been forced into extreme poverty due to covid shutdowns. That's 5% of the entire population of the world. That was after the first round only and now they are starting round two, by the time this is over there will be more than a billion people starving in the world.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your perspective on this, and I happen to be over 65, hence this may help to explain my perspective, and what my fears were, and hence my report. It is refreshing to see a post from an administrator on this board, and I agree totally with your analogy.
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2506423]So becareful out there. Wear your mask. Surfur and knowledge are the guys with inspiring details of centro.
.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the concern man, but I've already been vaccinated so I'm good to go. Much more scared of catching herpes or a knife in the ribs at this point haha.
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Vaccinated Already- Lucky You
[QUOTE=Rextor;2506437]Appreciate the concern man, but I've already been vaccinated so I'm good to go. Much more scared of catching herpes or a knife in the ribs at this point haha.[/QUOTE]Already vaccinated? Were you part of the Pfizer trial, if not, where did you get vaccinated?
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2506534]Already vaccinated? Were you part of the Pfizer trial, if not, where did you get vaccinated?[/QUOTE]Johnson and Johnson. I'm expecting around 60-70% efficacy, but I'm already young and healthy so not too concerned.
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[QUOTE=Rextor;2506540]I'm expecting around 60-70% efficacy...[/QUOTE]On what basis? I understand that the J&J attacks the spike protein in just same way as most other recent vaccines. I believe the efficacy will be the same.
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Well
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2506534]Already vaccinated? Were you part of the Pfizer trial, if not, where did you get vaccinated?[/QUOTE]I recd the University of Chicago / Moderna vaccine 2 x including side effects, I feel like Superman, where are all the putas?
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[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2506552]On what basis? I understand that the J&J attacks the spike protein in just same way as most other recent vaccines. I believe the efficacy will be the same.[/QUOTE]Different vector and dosage. The pfizer / moderna vacs have two injections and are mRna / nanoparticle based. JJ is adenovirus vector with just a single dose. I'm basing my numbers off of the AstraZeneca vac which showed 60% at a double dose of adenovirus. I would think that the JJ would be similar to that, but looking at the Phase 1/2 results of both vacs showed that JJ had a higher neutralizing antibody level. So I think the weakness of the single dose is balanced against the higher antibody count / immunogenicity to average around similar to what the AstraZeneca vac showed. But I'm just making this shit up so who knows.
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[QUOTE=Rextor;2506570]Different vector and dosage. The pfizer / moderna vacs have two injections and are mRna / nanoparticle based. JJ is adenovirus vector with just a single dose. I'm basing my numbers off of the AstraZeneca vac which showed 60% at a double dose of adenovirus. I would think that the JJ would be similar to that, but looking at the Phase 1/2 results of both vacs showed that JJ had a higher neutralizing antibody level. So I think the weakness of the single dose is balanced against the higher antibody count / immunogenicity to average around similar to what the AstraZeneca vac showed. But I'm just making this shit up so who knows.[/QUOTE]So you were enrolled in the J & J trial, and I'm assuming you know you didn't get the placebo, and if so, how do you know you. Did J & J inform you of this, and if not, did you have some minor reactions to the shot like temperature, etc. In reading your original post it almost sounded as though you went and got vaccinated somewhere, almost like going to a pharmacy in the USA for a flu shot. Lot's and lot's of Mongers I believe are sitting on the sidelines waiting to get vaccinated before resuming their hobby.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2506555]I recd the University of Chicago / Moderna vaccine 2 x including side effects, I feel like Superman, where are all the putas?[/QUOTE]Hit El Centro and open shop. Book a hotel with an unlimited visitors policy, perhaps Premier Plaza with a slight upcharge. Post a banner from the balcony that says you'll pay 25K a pop. There will be a line of at least 100 girls or more lined up within 15 minutes as word will spread fast. Than you have the task of screening them all, probably 90% of them and ejecting them based solely on appearance, and then the interview process of what your expectations are for that 25K of the ones that make the first cut. Maybe hire an assistant to help you prioritize, and schedule those who will agree to your requests, but at a later date when you become leche depleted and can't be knocking them out every hour on the hour.
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2506573]So you were enrolled in the J & J trial, and I'm assuming you know you didn't get the placebo, and if so, how do you know you. Did J & J inform you of this, and if not, did you have some minor reactions to the shot like temperature, etc. In reading your original post it almost sounded as though you went and got vaccinated somewhere, almost like going to a pharmacy in the USA for a flu shot. Lot's and lot's of Mongers I believe are sitting on the sidelines waiting to get vaccinated before resuming their hobby.[/QUOTE]Yeah its the JnJ vaccine trial. I'm like 90% sure I didn't get the placebo. I was exhausted enough to fall asleep at 9 pm the day I got the vaccine, then woke up in the middle of the night shivering while my apartment was 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Fever of 102, headache, nausea, tender arm where they injected me. Sucked feeling shitty but felt great to know that I would have some degree of protection against this damn virus. And that I would be able to travel stress free months before everyone else could. 100% worth it.
P.S. - I took an antibody test here in Colombia and it came back negative. Hence why I'm only 90% sure. But a fever couldn't be a figment of my placebo-induced imagination. I think more likely the blood tests was a false negative. Will verify when I'm back in the states.
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Pure madness
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2505065]I appreciate your perspective on this, and I happen to be over 65, hence this may help to explain my perspective, and what my fears were, and hence my report. It is refreshing to see a post from an administrator on this board, and I agree totally with your analogy.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elderly-woman-euthanized-to-avoid-anguish-of-lockdown-loneliness/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=second[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2506747][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elderly-woman-euthanized-to-avoid-anguish-of-lockdown-loneliness/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=second[/URL.[/QUOTE]Damn. That makes me feel old. I remember when The National Review was a respectable publication. If that story is representative of what it's become, at least now I know what became of the hacks who formerly published "The Weekly World News."
Please tell me you only read it to laugh at the 5th grade writing style.
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[QUOTE=Rextor;2506671]P.S. - I took an antibody test here in Colombia and it came back negative. Hence why I'm only 90% sure. But a fever couldn't be a figment of my placebo-induced imagination. I think more likely the blood tests was a false negative. Will verify when I'm back in the states.[/QUOTE]I read from a 16 Nov news:
"Johnson & Johnson is confident that it has a one-dose knockout vaccine that can protect against COVID-19, but it's now starting a late-stage two-dose test just in case.
The Big Pharma's vaccine, Ad26. COV2. S (now also known as JNJ-78436735), is currently in a major 60,000-subject phase 3 known as ENSEMBLE assessing whether it can stop COVID-19 infections with a single shot.
Early data have already shown it can produce an immune response at one dose, but now it wants to test out a two-dose schedule. ".
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[QUOTE=Rextor;2506540]Johnson and Johnson. I'm expecting around 60-70% efficacy, but I'm already young and healthy so not too concerned.[/QUOTE]I am so dismayed by reading this. Considering the low probability that after infection one falls so severely sick to die, the real big reason to be concerned is not what pain I will personally suffer, but the chain of infections that I could start and feed.
Imagine you get infected, but you don't have symptoms and / or you don't care of others around you. You pass the virus to some people (it does not matter how many, even just 1, 2 o 3). Some of them pass the virus to some others. An exponential tree starts to grow. After some weeks or months, the tree has reached tens, then hundreds persons. The probability that at least some of those hit by the tree dies is close to 1. I could not live with the regret of awareness that I am the original source of all that.
There would not be so much to be worried, if the problem of COVID was just the <1% of casualties among infected. The problem is its destructive massive spreading, with at least 50% asymptomatic, which has the power to produce a mass carnage and saturation of hospitals in few months if uncontrolled.
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[QUOTE=Rextor;2506570]I'm basing my numbers off of the AstraZeneca vac which showed 60% at a double dose of adenovirus.[/QUOTE]The surprising thing is that they found that 1+1 doses (28 days apart) achieved some 60% protection, but 0. 5+1 doses (half dose then one full dose 28 days after) achieved 90%.
They are still reflecting on possible explanations, but however they will repeat the 0. 5+1 pattern on more volunteers to achieve better confidence of results.
Vaccines are not a simple matter. Usually several years are needed to complete the experiments, now they try to validate results in less than one.
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[QUOTE=BlackPage;2506839]I am so dismayed by reading this. Considering the low probability that after infection one falls so severely sick to die, the real big reason to be concerned is not what pain I will personally suffer, but the chain of infections that I could start and feed.[/QUOTE]The jury is still out on whether vaccine prevents viral replication or just symptoms. Chances are there are still probably a few asymptomatic but positive covid cases amongst those who receive the vaccine. But I think it's safe to say that vaccinated individuals, if asymptomatic, will probably have a lower viral load and will shed less virus.
And yes, they've said that a single dose would be sufficient but who knows.
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Dear admin, I don't know if there is still a dedicated coronavirus thread. If there isn't may I kindly request you create one and move this thread to it. I only just recently got my friends to stop sending me random lonks and ruminations about this stuff. I am as interested in it as anyone but this is not the place I come to get information on the subject. Thank you very much.
[QUOTE=Rextor;2506852]The jury is still out on whether vaccine prevents viral replication or just symptoms. Chances are there are still probably a few asymptomatic but positive covid cases amongst those who receive the vaccine. But I think it's safe to say that vaccinated individuals, if asymptomatic, will probably have a lower viral load and will shed less virus.
And yes, they've said that a single dose would be sufficient but who knows.[/QUOTE]
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Mongering 101
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2507566]You need to include a warning with posts like this. This post nearly melted my bullshit detector.
I've never heard of any mongering venue where everyone is advertising how much they are paying. Is it members only and do you get a secret decoder ring?
Let's say you tried to act out this fantasy at a place like Gusto. Typically girls in Gusto are asking 400-600 k, some want more, a few will go for less, especially around closing time. However, the standard rate is from 150-200 k. 50% of that means you plan on asking 75-100 k and then asking for much more than standard, which is 1-2 hours, BBBJ, CFS etc. Within 15 minutes of you making your first offer, you'll find that not one girl will approach you. If you persist with trying to get a girl to accept your terms, soon one of the nice bouncers will kindly suggest you take your business elsewhere.
That's a great way to outsmart those other guys!
I saw first-hand what happens when someone thinks they can outsmart the system. A guy was looking for a girl. I told him I could recommend 1. I told him her rate. I told him her rate was not negotiable. I told him not to call her if he wasn't interested in paying her rate. He assured me he understood and then proceeded to try your fantasy game. He only offered half, he insisted on BBFS, he insulted her thinking she would lower her price. He never saw her and most of the girls he tried to set dates with were no shows.[/QUOTE]Well I've seen videos of the putas in Gustos, I wouldn't want any of them, but if I did go in there I could see what others overpay by what prices putas are throwing around.
So yes they are advertising what they pay there and here also.
If putas won't accept my offer that's fine, they screen themselves out for me.
Just like the bouncers kicking someone out hip to their bullshit? Seriously.
Overpay for these 3rd world putas or get out? Seriously? Jajajajajajaja sounds like a casino that won't let someone that knows what they are doing play in their casino, jajajaja.
Only the "weak" are allowed.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to bother explaining the "outsmarting" them comment I will try jajajaja.
What was meant, I feel some weak mongers try to create distance between themselves and other mongers by deliberately overpaying whilst calling it balling.
(some overpay, but in reality most are being overcharged, call it a DLV surcharge if you will)
Knowing full well they are damaging the market for everyone, hoping they can manufacture artificial demand for themselves, I consider it a version of.
Social inversion in its most perverse form.
Now where my "outsmarting" comes in, instead of trying to have a bidding war and buying champagne "DLV".
I instead double down on my low ball "DHV", creating even more distance between myself and them, making it even more glaringly obvious to the puta what they are doing.
Sure the super predator puta will still appreciate the DLV overpaying monger but many others won't, at least not for fun (maybe they'll even do me for free for fun and him for $$ LOL).
I've talked to putas around the world that laugh and joke with me, about guys that overpay, they certainly don't respect them, to say the least.
They see them for what they are, pathetically desperate and weak (I hope I was able to explain that for you w / o giving away to much to the enemy, and yes they are all our enemies.
They are trying to destroy mongering from the inside) and yes if mongering is every destroyed it will be from them, ie Cocal Amsterdam.
Latin America has a reputation as a masculine culture, I'm absolutely sure most putas appreciate the more "macho / alpha" personas over the betas.
I can say I have studied this in Mexico for years and have refined it down to an exact science for me there, if it doesn't work in MDE.
Than MDE will never see me again.
I consider myself a solid monger, I don't go for the super predator putas, I know what prey they are looking for and I'm never going to be it.
And about the story about the guy you wrote about, it sounds like he did ok.
Its "my way or the highway" putas don't run shit, if they don't want his money or mine.
That's fine Ill go somewhere else, I have a passport and can go anywhere in the world.
I rather jackoff to free porn than overpay 3rd world putas 1 peso.
for whatever it is worth my best friend is an asian monger, and he claims my successes put me in the top 0.01% of mongers? is that true? how would I know
all I know is its my way or the highway, they need my money more than I need their vaginas mouths and anuses
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This is hating at its best! LOL
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507630]Well I've seen videos of the putas in Gustos, I wouldn't want any of them, but if I did go in there I could see what others overpay by what prices putas are throwing around.
So yes they are advertising what they pay there and here also.
If putas won't accept my offer that's fine, they screen themselves out for me.
Just like the bouncers kicking someone out hip to their bullshit? Seriously.
Overpay for these 3rd world putas or get out? Seriously? Jajajajajajaja sounds like a casino that won't let someone that knows what they are doing play in their casino, jajajaja.
Only the "weak" are allowed.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to bother explaining the "outsmarting" them comment I will try jajajaja.
What was meant, I feel some weak mongers try to create distance between themselves and other mongers by deliberately overpaying whilst calling it balling.
(some overpay, but in reality most are being overcharged, call it a DLV surcharge if you will)
Knowing full well they are damaging the market for everyone, hoping they can manufacture artificial demand for themselves, I consider it a version of.
Social inversion in its most perverse form.
Now where my "outsmarting" comes in, instead of trying to have a bidding war and buying champagne "DLV".
I instead double down on my low ball "DHV", creating even more distance between myself and them, making it even more glaringly obvious to the puta what they are doing.
Sure the super predator puta will still appreciate the DLV overpaying monger but many others won't, at least not for fun (maybe they'll even do me for free for fun and him for $$ LOL).
I've talked to putas around the world that laugh and joke with me, about guys that overpay, they certainly don't respect them, to say the least.
They see them for what they are, pathetically desperate and weak (I hope I was able to explain that for you w / o giving away to much to the enemy, and yes they are all our enemies.
They are trying to destroy mongering from the inside) and yes if mongering is every destroyed it will be from them, ie Cocal Amsterdam.
Latin America has a reputation as a masculine culture, I'm absolutely sure most putas appreciate the more "macho / alpha" personas over the betas.
I can say I have studied this in Mexico for years and have refined it down to an exact science for me there, if it doesn't work in MDE.
Than MDE will never see me again.
I consider myself a solid monger, I don't go for the super predator putas, I know what prey they are looking for and I'm never going to be it.
And about the story about the guy you wrote about, it sounds like he did ok.
Its "my way or the highway" putas don't run shit, if they don't want his money or mine.
That's fine Ill go somewhere else, I have a passport and can go anywhere in the world.
I rather jackoff to free porn than overpay 3rd world putas 1 peso.
for whatever it is worth my best friend is an asian monger, and he claims my successes put me in the top 0.01% of mongers? is that true? how would I know
all I know is its my way or the highway, they need my money more than I need their vaginas mouths and anuses[/QUOTE]Bro are you another one of these guys who just hate on others cause they spend and you don't?? Why are you so concerned about others and the way they spend their $$.
You laugh with other hookers about how others spend more $$$ and overpay?
I guarantee they'the rather be talking to that person than with you.
So you're successful in life with hookers??
I'the rather be successful in life.
It's clear you're just envious of men who spend more $$$ cause you feel like they're ruining your market.
But it's not yours to ruin. This is the cycle of life.
In everything you do someone will have something better. Whether it's a better car or bigger house.
Even in the gym no matter how good you think you look or how strong you think you are someone will be stronger bigger with a better physique.
Just work with what you got and stop name calling people who spend more.
Maybe some guys feel sorry for girls and their situation in life and feel like paying more or giving more.
You don't know. But when a person starts insulting others for spending more $$$ it's so obvious they are bitter.
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[QUOTE=Blakman;2507596]You keep reverting back to facebook cause that's all you know. Your not even a Gusto type. Slapshot yeah but not you. I met these chicks in Gusto and did my due diligence to conquer. Combination of physical attraction along with skills made this a done deal. Now I have the other cartegena sister left to be had. So JJBEE AS aaron rodgers would say relax tranquilla. Zip it. Let Gusto king work. I am Gusto rich be**tch LOL[/QUOTE]Whatever you have to tell yourself.
After all, you're the one who said you contacted her through Facebook. You didn't get her number in Gusto, you got her number in the park, then deleted her number and found her on Facebook. You've got a girl who clearly works 3 different venues. If you think she charges and gets her Gusto price in the park and on Facebook, you've been smoking way too much weed.
All I can say is RTFF. There are dozens of pre-pandemic Gusto reports saying the same exact thing I'm telling you. If you get the girl outside of Gusto, you don't pay the Gusto price. If you wait until closing time the Gusto price drops to the Parque Lleras price.
I've only spent 2 nights in Gusto, separated by 3 years. The first time we were there just as they opened and stayed until after closing. One of the guys I was with was balling, ran up a $750 bar tab. The other guy spent most of his time talking to one girl: good English, college girl (so she said) and asking 500 k. When Gusto closed and we rolled to Club Fahrenheit, the 500 k girl agreed to tag along. He took her home from Fahrenheit for 150 k. I know it was 150 k because he borrowed it from me. He hadn't planned on the night we had and just had enough for the taxi back.
The other time was 2 weeks ago. We got there before it got too crowded and left shortly before closing. I wasn't looking because I'd had a Facebook girl earlier, and because I don't pay Gusto prices. The guy I was with got a few quotes and took a girl he liked. She quoted him 400 k. I had a few drinks, observed the crowd and played wingman.
What more can I tell you? There's usually a high concentration of gringos in there. Drink prices are high. The girls, in my opinion, are not any better looking than the average Facebook girl and it's a fact that many of the Facebook girls are regular Gusto visitors. That's one of the advantages of Facebook. If a girl goes to Envy rooftop at the Charlee, she posts pictures. If she's at the Dann Carlton, she posts pictures. If she's at Gusto, she posts pictures. When she's riding up the elevator at San Peter Apartments, she posts a picture.
As I said, if you have to tell yourself that girls in Gusto are some elite class of girls, unobtainable by mere mortals, then go ahead and tell yourself that. It doesn't hurt anyone, it makes you feel like you've achieved greatness and it gives a few laughs.
And in the end, it's all about enjoying yourself.
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Me thinks thou protests too much
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2507665]But it's not yours to ruin. [/QUOTE]The purpose of this site is to make mongering better for all, not to let mongers like you destroy it.
Did I strike a nerve? Sounds like you think you're entitled to destroy mongering because I don't own it?
Charity? Jajaja wow that's the best rationalization you can come up with.
I'm guessing I have more money in the bank than you, I'm sorry bro, I don't have to act hood rich with 3rd world putas to get pussy.
Envious of you? Jajajajajaja that's precious!
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507630]Well I've seen videos of the putas in Gustos, I wouldn't want any of them, but if I did go in there I could see what others overpay by what prices putas are throwing around.
So yes they are advertising what they pay there and here also.
If putas won't accept my offer that's fine, they screen themselves out for me.
Just like the bouncers kicking someone out hip to their bullshit? Seriously.
Overpay for these 3rd world putas or get out? Seriously? Jajajajajajaja sounds like a casino that won't let someone that knows what they are doing play in their casino, jajajaja.
Only the "weak" are allowed.
I was hoping I wouldn't have to bother explaining the "outsmarting" them comment I will try jajajaja.
What was meant, I feel some weak mongers try to create distance between themselves and other mongers by deliberately overpaying whilst calling it balling..[/QUOTE]Thank you for that. I wasn't aware that LSD had become popular again. I thought everyone was into the 2 CB stuff these days, but you're clearly describing an acid trip.
Your best friend says what? Why would any friend start making up statistics about you? That sounds more like a mix of heroin and cocaine, and that's a dangerous combination.
You're going to need to explain how you're outsmarting everyone again. The math doesn't seem right. So, if you spend money to travel to a foreign country, spend money on lodging and food, all for the purpose of paying women for sex, and if the girls don't go for your low-ball offer, you go home and jerk off and claim a victory? That's certainly a level of manliness I don't think I'll ever achieve. Wouldn't it be better, cheaper and less emasculating to just stay home and jerk off?
I keep hearing guys like you telling how all the hookers say how much they disrespect the guys who overpay. I've been seeing it for years, and every time it baffles me. Why are guys traveling around the world, paying women for sex and then spending their time, instead of pumping the pussy, pumping the girls for information about what other mongers pay and what they think about it? Why would any self-respecting man be worried about whether or not a hooker respects him? Does anyone out there believe that a hooker isn't going to tell you what she thinks you want to hear? "Oh papi. Tan grande!" It doesn't matter if you're swinging 4 inches or 12, a good hooker is going to try and make you feel good about it.
In bed with a hooker, I'll often talk. One girl claimed I look like the star of her favorite Netflix series and started showing me pictures of him. I told her she could tell her friends she had sex with a movie star. Other girls want to talk about where I've been, or where I'm from. Some, looking for future business, start showing pictures of all their available friends. I can't recall one, in my bed, wanting to talk about what she thinks of other gringos. Is there an instructional booklet for that conversation which comes with the secret decoder ring?
Sitting in a bar, talking with hookers, the subject has come up, about a particular gringo who was also in the bar. "Tacańo" is a word I've heard a few times. Then there have been complaints about guys who collect WhatsApp numbers, send messages, but never pull the trigger. I've heard a few complaints about guys who try to force BBFS or anal, or who are too rough on girls, or who treat them disrespectfully. Can't remember a single complaint about guys who pay too much.
The whole "he-man, world conquerer" stuff is hilarious. We go to places where women sell pussy and we pay for pussy. It's not exactly a chest thumping accomplishment. "Who's your daddy? I just spent $1,000 to fly to your country and I paid you $35 for sex, instead of the $43 some other guy paid and I'm now the king of the world!" I can't imagine how much strutting you do if you use a coupon at Mcdonald's. "Take that beyatch! $1 off a McRib!
Personally, I appreciate guys like you. After 2 minutes of talking to a "my way or the highway" guy, the girl who just turned down my reasonable offer is heading right back to my side wanting to negotiate.
You got one thing right. The girls do need the money. That's why they're doing it. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the one thing you got right. Given a choice between a guy who wants to pay half price and get double service and a guy paying the going rate and expecting the normal service, guess who gets to go jerk off to free porn? Given a choice to go with a guy who makes her feel good about herself and a guy who straight up tells her she's a piece of shit, guess which guy is left with Pornhub and Rosie?
Strange thing about macho cultures and alphas. The girls, run away from it at the first opportunity. Ask any US sailor about liberty calls in Australia back in the 70's and 80's. Women would bring their daughters to meet the ships, hoping to land a guy who wouldn't get drunk and slap them around. Most major mongering destinations are macho cultures. The women flock to the so-called "betas" because they can get any local man to treat them like shit. Do you honestly think they're going to jump on the chance to get the same treatment from a stranger who's only around for a few days? I guess they're making some damn fine acid these days.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of guys here who understand how to "outsmart" the "enemy. " They treat the girls right, pay a fair and reasonable price and jerking off to free porn is never needed.
"They are all our enemies. " That just shows you're only trying to be an alpha male, but will never get there. Every man who has ever gone off to battle knows, you never consort with the enemy. If all the women are your enemies, you're fighting the wrong war.
The reality, waiting whenever you come back from your acid trip, is, the only difference you're making by your self-proclaimed top 0. 01% mongering is self-delusion.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507681]The purpose of this site is to make mongering better for all, not to let mongers like you destroy it.
Did I strike a nerve? Sounds like you think you're entitled to destroy mongering because I don't own it?
Charity? Jajaja wow that's the best rationalization you can come up with.
I'm guessing I have more money in the bank than you, I'm sorry bro, I don't have to act hood rich with 3rd world putas to get pussy.
Envious of you? Jajajajajaja that's precious![/QUOTE]I'm absolutely certain you have more money in the bank than me. Now show me why that matters. I haven't found a Colombian hooker yet who required a credit check and for me to provide collateral for borrowing her pussy. Haven't found one yet who turned me down based upon the car I drive or my zip code.
If the amount of money you have in the bank has anything to do with "making mongering better for all", I'd love to hear the explanation.
I spent a few minutes looking at all the examples of how you're making mongering better for all, except I couldn't find any. I went back over your last 200 posts and only found one that qualifies as a trip report, 2 years ago, in Moscow. You complained about the prices, complained about the quality and apparently ended up having another Pornhub sausage party.
Most of your other posts consist of you complaining about guys spending too much and you telling how you do things, [B] Without one single example of you actually doing what you keep claiming you do.[/B].
Where are all these shining examples of making mongering better for all? You've been honing your skills in Mexico, but I couldn't find a single report from you in Mexico. You've posted in the Philippines, Thailand, Russia and Germany, but other than the 1 Moscow report, there's no reports of you actually doing anything in any of those countries. You drop a few names, complain like a school girl, but never seem to contribute anything to make mongering better for all. Based upon all your reports it appears you've never actually had sex with a prostitute anywhere in the world. Even my holy roller brother in law at least once got a BJ from a stripper.
Where are we supposed to find all this wisdom you've supposedly gained, being the alpha male?
Sangnyc21 rolls differently from me. Doesn't mean he's doing it wrong, just he's found a different way to get what he wants. I've not once had a girl ask for more money based on how much he's paying. I've never had a girl cancel because she heard he was in town.
Blakman rolls differently from me. Even though I'm busting his balls, I've got no problem with the way he rolls. He's doing what makes him happy and there's nothing wrong with that.
Half the regulars on this forum have butted heads with me from time to time. But in the end, they're enjoying themselves and contributing to making mongering better for all. Whether they're spending money like crazy, or squeezing out every peso, I've got to respect both their contributions and their methods of getting what they want.
Where are your contributions? I'm not talking about the ones you leave in the Kleenex after another Pornhub pity party. I'm asking about the ones where you make mongering better for all. If I could find them, I might respect them, but they don't seem to exist. I can't respect your methods for getting what you want, because I can't find a single example of you getting what you want with your methods. I've seen others try the same methods and they didn't seem to work for them either.
Last year there was some YouTuber going around Medellin preaching the same line of bullshit as you. The same "alpha male" loser rhetoric. His little alpha male ass got deported, because he, along with his disciples thought they could do whatever they wanted, including verbally and physically assaulting women.
You want to make mongering better for all? Stop being such a whiney, dickless adolescent. Actually go someplace, pay for some pussy, get some pussy and then write a report about it. If you try something and fail, write about it. If you have a good experience, write about it. If you have a bad experience. That's right, write about that too. Be honest with yourself about what works for you, instead of worrying that some other guy's spending habits are the problem.
That's how you help to make mongering better for all. All your playground posturing doesn't help anyone. None of the guys who decide they want to go to Gusto are going to benefit from trying to get girls to spend the whole night with them for less than the cost of 2 drinks at Gusto. None of the guys who want to pull from the streets of El Centro are going to benefit from insisting on paying 10 for an hour, when most guys pay 30k for 20 minutes.
And absolutely nobody is going to benefit from approaching every girl as if she's the enemy.
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Blakman
You said I'm not the Gusto type and that's true. Left to my own devices, I enjoy the simplicity and the many benefits of pulling from Facebook, with the occasional casa or strip club visit.
However, what I want more than a good Facebook session is knowledge. No. Not the guy knowledge, I'm pretty sure he's not my type. I'm talking about learning new things.
While I was living less than 2 miles away from the Mansion I stayed 2 nights at the Mansion. Although I could enjoy myself there, I'm not a Mansion kind of guy. However, now I know what type of guys are a good fit at the Mansion. If someone comes along asking about the Mansion I can give an informed opinion.
I'm not an El Centro street rat, but I've spent as much time walking the streets of El Centro as many of the guys who prefer that area. If someone has questions about El Centro, I can give an honest assessment, which is generally more useful than the guys who think everyone should be pulling from Veracruz (or the guys who think a walk through El Centro is flirting with death).
I've probably had 10 times more casa visits than casa sessions. Same with strip clubs. I've eaten in all types of restaurants, from a hole in the bad part of Itagui to some of the best places in Provenza. I've drank in bars ranging from Gusto to a dive near Parque Berrio that made most of the El Centro bars look like Las Vegas discos. Sadly it's closed now.
In every place I've been, from the worst to the best, I've learned something useful. I've met a lot of mongers in Medellin and from each of them I've learned something useful. It doesn't matter if it's someone I hope to never see again, or someone who I talk with every week, each one has taught me something.
My collection of Facebook girls is another source of information. Most of them I'll never session with. Many of them I have no interest in, but I learn a little bit from them each day.
And all of those little bits of data accumulate until someone asks the right question. You're looking for a place to stay? I have some suggestions. You're looking for a certain type of restaurant or girl? I might be able to help. You're on this budget? Here's how you can best use your resources.
If I had the means, I'd spend more time in Medellin and elsewhere, but that's not in my budget. If I can't be there, when I have the time, maybe I can help someone else have a successful visit. Maybe I can help someone avoid some of the problems.
There's a certain satisfaction in that.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2507676]Whatever you have to tell yourself.
What more can I tell you? There's usually a high concentration of gringos in there. Drink prices are high. The girls, in my opinion, are not any better looking than the average Facebook girl and it's a fact that many of the Facebook girls are regular Gusto visitors. That's one of the advantages of Facebook. If a girl goes to Envy rooftop at the Charlee, she posts pictures. If she's at the Dann Carlton, she posts pictures. If she's at Gusto, she posts pictures. When she's riding up the elevator at San Peter Apartments, she posts a picture.
As I said, if you have to tell yourself that girls in Gusto are some elite class of girls, unobtainable by mere mortals, then go ahead and tell yourself that. It doesn't hurt anyone, it makes you feel like you've achieved greatness and it gives a few laughs.[/QUOTE]Ditto these statement to the tee.
The photo thing is spot on. I just had a Tinder girl who I had been talking with for the past few weeks telling me how she is not a puta just a real down to earth girl from a humble family in Bello and blah blah blah. So once we got connected on Whatsapp and just about every night, certainly every Friday through Sunday nights she posts all her photos either in the elevator going up to envy bar or the apartment elevators that she is headed to to party and fuck.
As a test I invited her out to restaurant, a local restaurant in a local near by mall where she lives and immediately she insists that why don't we go to envy bar and have our date there. NEXT.
They have a wired sense of reality, but damn these barrio bitches are a whole lot of fun!
Example. I was out in centro on Monday night and found a cuite barrio girl in a small bar, pulled the trigger and took her back to my crib that night, she is from Santo Domingo, at the fricken top of that barrio, for those of you who know where I am talking about she lives right where the cable metro stop is at, anyway she is sleeping in my bed right now as it is 4:30 AM but she is all in all a sweet thing, lots of fun and reasonably cool but she is still a barrio ***** through and through, we love them.
With her lean and slender stripper body and beautifully formed face and the dancing / twerking she does naturally she could easily be a top earner at any of the high end clubs, she just does not know her worth yet, and yes I am thinking of giving her 200 mil when I drop her off in the morning, why 200 mil for two days? Because I know her monthly rent of 200 mil is due tomorrow which is probably the reason why she jumped at my invitation to jump in my car and leave with me immediately on Monday night.
Much love and respect to all!
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2507731]Where are all these shining examples of making mongering better for all? You've been honing your skills in Mexico, but I couldn't find a single report from you in Mexico. You've posted in the Philippines, Thailand, Russia and Germany, but other than the 1 Moscow report, there's no reports of you actually doing anything in any of those countries. [/QUOTE]Sounds about right.
MarquisdeSade1. You PMed me with several questions (Some posts make me believe you did this with several guys.) in early September saying you were coming but I knew it was BS. Told you I was happy to answer questions once you were "on the ground". You have never been here, doubt you will come here, but post as if you know something. You need to just stop.
Saying prostitutes are the enemy is stupid. Actually makes me angry. Bros before Hoes is nearly as stupid. I could spend a year hanging out drinking with guys in Medellin or spend just 1 month with my Hoes and be so much happier. I did not come to Colombia or go to other countries to be with Bros, only Hoes.
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Jajajaaaaaa
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2507731]I'm absolutely certain you have more money in the bank than me. Now show me why that matters. I haven't found a Colombian hooker yet who required a credit check and for me to provide collateral for borrowing her pussy. Haven't found one yet who turned me down based upon the car I drive or my zip code.
If the amount of money you have in the bank has anything to do with "making mongering better for all", I'd love to hear the explanation.
I spent a few minutes looking at all the examples of how you're making mongering better for all, except I couldn't find any. I went back over your last 200 posts and only found one that qualifies as a trip report, 2 years ago, in Moscow. You complained about the prices, complained about the quality and apparently ended up having another Pornhub sausage party.
Most of your other posts consist of you complaining about guys spending too much and you telling how you do things, [B] Without one single example of you actually doing what you keep claiming you do.[/B].
Where are all these shining examples of making mongering better for all? You've been honing your skills in Mexico, but I couldn't find a single report from you in Mexico. You've posted in the Philippines, Thailand, Russia and Germany, but other than the 1 Moscow report, there's no reports of you actually doing anything in any of those countries. You drop a few names, complain like a school girl, but never seem to contribute anything to make mongering better for all. Based upon all your reports it appears you've never actually had sex with a prostitute anywhere in the world. Even my holy roller brother in law at least once got a BJ from a stripper...[/QUOTE]I'd love to respond loser, but when I try my posts get blocked or edited.
You seem to have special permission to write whatever you want, but when I try to respond it doesn't get posted, so as BM pointed out.
Have fun flying to 3rd world mongering hubs to hang out with penises.
I have figured out you are special needs.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2507829]Ditto these statement to the tee.
The photo thing is spot on. I just had a Tinder girl who I had been talking with for the past few weeks telling me how she is not a puta just a real down to earth girl from a humble family in Bello and blah blah blah. So once we got connected on Whatsapp and just about every night, certainly every Friday through Sunday nights she posts all her photos either in the elevator going up to envy bar or the apartment elevators that she is headed to to party and fuck.
As a test I invited her out to restaurant, a local restaurant in a local near by mall where she lives and immediately she insists that why don't we go to envy bar and have our date there. NEXT.
They have a wired sense of reality, but damn these barrio bitches are a whole lot of fun!
Example. I was out in centro on Monday night and found a cuite barrio girl in a small bar, pulled the trigger and took her back to my crib that night, she is from Santo Domingo, at the fricken top of that barrio, for those of you who know where I am talking about she lives right where the cable metro stop is at, anyway she is sleeping in my bed right now as it is 4:30 AM but she is all in all a sweet thing, lots of fun and reasonably cool but she is still a barrio ***** through and through, we love them..[/QUOTE]I know the spot. I know another girl from Santo Domingo who I couldn't work in this last trip. Even though she lives by the metrocable station to Parque Arvi, she had never been there until I took her last year.
And of course, as soon as we got there she wanted me to take some pictures of her.
I just thought of a girl last night. I first saw her working Mayorista. Not my type, tall, big fake boobs, ass is probably augmented as well, somewhat horse faced. However, last year she sent me a Facebook friend request. I accept most of them, because you never know what you might learn.
There she was, a Mayorista street girl, not even a 6 in my book, but she's got some guy who takes her to Dubai. Fucking Dubai. From Mayorista.
I'll bet if you ask some of the aging El Centro queens they've been taken to all types of places. You really never know.
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Seriously bro
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2507903]Sounds about right.
MarquisdeSade1. You PMed me with several questions (Some posts make me believe you did this with several guys.) in early September saying you were coming but I knew it was BS. Told you I was happy to answer questions once you were "on the ground". You have never been here, doubt you will come here, but post as if you know something. You need to just stop.
Saying prostitutes are the enemy is stupid. Actually makes me angry. Bros before Hoes is nearly as stupid. I could spend a year hanging out drinking with guys in Medellin or spend just 1 month with my Hoes and be so much happier. I did not come to Colombia or go to other countries to be with Bros, only Hoes.[/QUOTE]I didn't say putas were the enemy, I stated mongers that are trying to destroy mongering for all other mongers are!
And dude just because I didn't get there yet doesn't mean I don't have 3 flights booked right now, I can even send you a screenshot of them if that makes you happy, did you ever hear of anyone postponing flights?
Especially during this period? I had flights booked and I told you "I was trying to get there in a few weeks", did we have a business meeting set or something? You're acting like a stood you up LOL.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507924]I'd love to respond loser, but when I try my posts get blocked or edited.
You seem to have special permission to write whatever you want, but when I try to respond it doesn't get posted, so as BM pointed out.
Have fun flying to 3rd world mongering hubs to hang out with penises.
I have figured out you are special needs.[/QUOTE]You would love to respond, and responded, but you can't respond because the big, bad admins won't let you respond? Did I get that right? Have you found the flaw in your reasoning yet?
Trust me, I don't have special permission to do anything. If you don't believe me just ask the admins. However, I have found the admins are less likely to block posts if the posts contain some useful content. It's just understanding the process of. How did that go? "Making mongering better for all?" Yes. That's it.
Have fun not flying to 3rd world mongering hubs while telling everyone what you would do if you ever flew to a 3rd world mongering hub.
At least you still have Pornhub.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507990][URL]https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28B4S8[/URL]
Besides the moral implications of it.
More abortion=less single mothers.
Less single mothers=less single mothers hooking.[/QUOTE]"hooking" does not work as meaningful verb here. "hookering" perhaps might make sense to someone.
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Congratulations
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508009]You would love to respond, and responded, but you can't respond because the big, bad admins won't let you respond? Did I get that right? Have you found the flaw in your reasoning yet?
Trust me, I don't have special permission to do anything. If you don't believe me just ask the admins. However, I have found the admins are less likely to block posts if the posts contain some useful content. It's just understanding the process of. How did that go? "Making mongering better for all?" Yes. That's it.
Have fun not flying to 3rd world mongering hubs while telling everyone what you would do if you ever flew to a 3rd world mongering hub.
At least you still have Pornhub.[/QUOTE]You have found a way to get the admins to protect you, you sensitive little pussy.
How about you ask them not to do that!
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507990][URL]https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28B4S8[/URL]
Besides the moral implications of it.
More abortion=less single mothers.
Less single mothers=less single mothers hooking.[/QUOTE]Globalists - Socialist trying to spread their ideology.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507990][URL]https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28B4S8[/URL]
Besides the moral implications of it.
More abortion=less single mothers.
Less single mothers=less single mothers hooking.[/QUOTE]How did I miss this?
If you're traveling to third world countries (or talking about it), in order to find impoverished prostitutes, while insisting everyone pays the absolute minimum, you are in no position to judge morality. If you're one of the guys attempting to have unprotected sex with said impoverished prostitutes, without considering the implied responsibility, your moral position is on even shakier ground.
Meanwhile, your conclusion is invalid. Abortion has been legal in the United States for 47 years. Prostitution is just as accessible today as it was in 1973. Abortion was decriminalized in Canada in 1969, still plenty of pussy for sale.
The Plan be pill is available at any pharmacy in Colombia. As of 2 hours ago, it was confirmed to me that there are still prostitutes working in Colombia.
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Lol
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507990][URL]https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28B4S8[/URL]
Besides the moral implications of it.
More abortion=less single mothers.
Less single mothers=less single mothers hooking.[/QUOTE]Moral implications? Have you read the bible to see what company they put us in? Here is the quote from the bible..
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and,******mongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The original text I pasted in said w-h-o-r-e monger but the forum is censoring the first part of the word.
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Read the bible jajaja
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2508068]Moral implications? Have you read the bible to see what company they put us in? Here is the quote from the bible..
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and,******mongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The original text I pasted in said w-h-o-r-e monger but the forum is censoring the first part of the word.[/QUOTE]I was raised Catholic, I attended all Catholic schools grammar / HS and University was also an altar boy, I'm 53 yo and I have never read 1 single page or verse of the bible.
So yes I am an atheist and yes abortion is murder / infanticide.
Whoormonger? Guilty as charged your Honor, put me on the Group W bench with the rest of these freaks!
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507681]The purpose of this site is to make mongering better for all, not to let mongers like you destroy it.
Did I strike a nerve? Sounds like you think you're entitled to destroy mongering because I don't own it?
Charity? Jajaja wow that's the best rationalization you can come up with.
I'm guessing I have more money in the bank than you, I'm sorry bro, I don't have to act hood rich with 3rd world putas to get pussy.
Envious of you? Jajajajajaja that's precious![/QUOTE]No it seems like people who have money strike a nerve with you. You like to call people who spend money "suckers".
Then you say you lay in bed with hookers and laugh about how guys overpay them?
Clearly you're bitter in life and all your posts show it.
Having more $$ than me or anyone else is irrelevant.
The fact that you even bring something like this up shows your insecurity in the subject.
You're clearly envious of the people whom spend money.
Which is why you call them names.
Mongering is a luxury not a necessity.
So if you're squeezing pennies at the bargaining table this is not a hobby you should get yourself involved in.
There's certain set prices and yes at times they are negotiable.
But when you say you won't give a 3rd world puta another peso it's obvious you're the reason why a lot of these girls prefer to be in casas and get a guaranteed amount.
There's nothing wrong with being frugal with your $$.
When you start name calling and stating some obvious BS then it just shows your bitterness.
I said the market is not yours to ruin for the simple fact someone will always pay more.
That's just how it works.
One more thing. I really don't care if you have more $$ than me cause I'm happy with where I'm at and how I spend my $$.
But let's be clear. I am around people with serious money everyday in my life. And if I had to make an assumption you're not one of them.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2508040]You have found a way to get the admins to protect you, you sensitive little pussy.
How about you ask them not to do that![/QUOTE]Admins, please stop protecting me.
I hope this doesn't result in me being struck by a meteor.
Oh shit. I just imagined Admin2 playing poker while wearing a fairy godmother costume.
Did that work? I never realized they were protecting me. As many times as they have stomped on my dick, I was pretty sure that protecting me was somewhere on their list of priorities below "Find a fat, old, ugly woman who gives toothy blowjobs for $200."
Sensitive? Me? Sure, I cry whenever I watch a touchy-feely chick flick with a girl, but that's only because I realize the sex won't be worth having to sit through the movie.
Little? Not even close on that one. You know the grab rail on the Medellin metro? Of course you don't. How silly of me. Anyway, 99 out of 100 trips on the metro, I'm the only one who has to worry about hitting his head on the grab rail.
Pussy? This coming from the guy who keeps telling everyone what he would do in places he won't ever go? It would appear you're not qualified to make that judgement.
There's absolutely nothing you can do on this forum that I need any protection from. Do you honestly think you're going to hurt me with words? You really should have been RTFF. I spent 8 years as a Navy snipe, one of the last group to survive Snipe's Castle (and I doubt if anyone here understands what that means). Just the way some of us said good morning would have you running upstairs to cling to mommy's skirt. Go right ahead and do your worst. It will give me a chance to reminisce about 3rd grade.
Or you can get back to the subject of "making mongering better for all." Still waiting on that contribution.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2508069]I was raised Catholic, I attended all Catholic schools grammar / HS and University was also an altar boy, I'm 53 yo and I have never read 1 single page or verse of the bible.
So yes I am an atheist and yes abortion is murder / infanticide.
Whoormonger? Guilty as charged your Honor, put me on the Group W bench with the rest of these freaks![/QUOTE]So. Because I have so much fun with people who are incapable of using logic. Any miscarriage is at a minimum involuntary manslaughter?
It's estimated that nearly 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. Out of every 100 pregnancies, 30 will miscarry before they are aware of the pregnancy, 10-15 will end by miscarriage in the first trimester and 1-5 will miscarry in the second trimester.
Under your reasoning, please explain the appropriate penalty for the following classes of miscarriage:
1. A woman who was raped and miscarried before she was aware of the pregnancy.
2. A woman who used birth control and had consensual sex, but the method used failed and she miscarried before aware of the pregnancy.
3. A woman who didn't use birth control, had consensual sex, miscarried before aware of the pregnancy.
4. All of the above who miscarried after becoming aware of the pregnancy.
5. A woman who contracts food poisoning (listeriosis) and miscarries.
6. A woman who miscarries after being beaten up by her alpha male boyfriend.
7. A woman who undergoes chemotherapy, unaware of her pregnancy and has a miscarriage.
That's enough for now. No sense in discussing the prison sentences for women who can't afford prenatal vitamins, or who accidentally fall down a flight of stairs.
What you're crawling on is called a slippery slope. If any abortion is murder, any fertilized over is a living human being given the same rights and protections as everyone else. However, the exact moment of conception is impossible to determine (outside of a very invasive laboratory). If a woman has sex and begins her period the next day, did she just flush a human down the toilet, or was it just another unused egg?
That slippery slope ends with all sex, except sex specifically for the purpose of procreation, since it can result in pregnancy and therefore miscarriage, is immoral. Any miscarriage, unless it can be proven to be caused by another, is therefore a failure of the woman, resulting in death and therefore requires punishment. Under such a belief system, if a man beats up a woman, causing her to miscarry, she probably provoked him, therefore it's not his fault.
Yet you, at least on paper, and I and everyone else on this forum engage in activities which can result in pregnancy, leading to miscarriage, or abortion, without any concern. When was the last time anyone on this board, while balls deep in one of Medellin's finest (excluding you of course), has thought "if she gets pregnant I'll have to support her and the baby?
Not a single one of us has the moral authority to claim abortion is immoral. Not one of us has the moral authority to claim abortion is murder, unless that person is willing to completely forsake all sex (except for procreation). Anything less is hypocrisy.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2507630]So yes they are advertising what they pay there and here also.
What was meant, I feel some weak mongers try to create distance between themselves and other mongers by deliberately overpaying whilst calling it balling.
(some overpay, but in reality most are being overcharged, call it a DLV surcharge if you will)[/QUOTE]The only thing this forum is good for really is information. You can get decent data here on supply and some with regards to pricing. But to be really accurate with pricing, you would need to know demand and quality are. The guys who think that they are masters at price just imagine what they are. At best, you can get a hazy picture of things. Also for some of us, our time is of value as well. Yesterday I paid 60,000 COP or 80,000 COP for a street girl on Santa Fe. If someone wants to say they got her for 40,000, do you think I am super impressed or that I don't give a shit?
On the other opaque end of the scale, I was with a seeking girl, and it was a top five experience sexually. This was her first date on seeking, and we fucked five times and were planning future dates.
Thing is that the price police dipshits do not even understand why I am giving her money at all. I could have given her nothing and sent her on the way and acted offended and called her a working girl if she did expect money.
And if I gave a shit what the price police assholes thought, wouldn't that be the best line of all? I got this hot chick and paid her nothing. Then you probably all would say that I am lying?
If I pay her 2 million COP, then I am a moron and overpaid her.
I have yet to see a guy on here a guy getting ragged on saying that they underpaid for sex.
So if you want to be a "baller" on here, you just see what other guys are paying and say you pay half that. Of course, that defeats the purpose of the forum with regards to price transparency.
You have no idea with regards to the quality of the sex (or how many other women I have been with to compare her to), her looks, her attitude, or how much demand she was in. If I say she has not had sex in a year, even though you do not know her or me, it cannot be true. Why? Because that is what you want to believe to be true for your own pathetic little egos.
The old game was to fuck as many women as you can. I have been there and done that. My game is to get the best woman and keep on seeing them.
So when I was giving her money, I was not paying her for sex. I am paying to have another experience like the one I had in the future. That is what I mean by an investment. Now what factors go into that price are worth talking about. Listening to some jag off tell me he got the same for half of whatever I paid? That is just some a dipshit loser with an ego problem.
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Well
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2508076]No it seems like people who have money strike a nerve with you.[/QUOTE]There's people who have money, and people who claim to have money. That's an important distinction, especially when monger forums are at issue. As about anyone of moderate or even modest means can afford to do the whole penthouse with city view apt, 300 mil an hour hookers, etc. For a week or two a year.
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Quintessential hypocrisy
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2508068]Moral implications? Have you read the bible to see what company they put us in? Here is the quote from the bible..
Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and,******mongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The original text I pasted in said w-h-o-r-e monger but the forum is censoring the first part of the word.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.advocate.com/world/2020/12/02/anti-lgbtq-politician-caught-all-male-orgy-resigns-post[/URL]
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ET TU Elvis
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508305]The only thing this forum is good for really is information. You can get decent data here on supply and some with regards to pricing. But to be really accurate with pricing, you would need to know demand and quality are. The guys who think that they are masters at price just imagine what they are. At best, you can get a hazy picture of things. Also for some of us, our time is of value as well. Yesterday I paid 60,000 COP or 80,000 COP for a street girl on Santa Fe. If someone wants to say they got her for 40,000, do you think I am super impressed or that I don't give a shit?
On the other opaque end of the scale, I was with a seeking girl, and it was a top five experience sexually. This was her first date on seeking, and we fucked five times and were planning future dates.
Thing is that the price police dipshits do not even understand why I am giving her money at all. I could have given her nothing and sent her on the way and acted offended and called her a working girl if she did expect money.
And if I gave a shit what the price police assholes thought, wouldn't that be the best line of all? I got this hot chick and paid her nothing. Then you probably all would say that I am lying?.[/QUOTE]We have discussed this before and I agreed that I believe how you "roll" is unique to mongering and yet you still want to act offended my opinions that have never been directed at you?
I think your hypersensitive post speaks volumes, include yourself in that group at your own peril.
The fact you want to be offended is very revealing in many ways.
My sympathies!
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508305]So when I was giving her money, I was not paying her for sex. I am paying to have another experience like the one I had in the future.[/QUOTE]But did you make that explicitly known to her? Why do you assume that your money will achieve you getting the same experience? Who is to say that the same experience could not have been gotten over and over again for the rest of your life without money?
You put a lot of faith in your money being able to achieve things for you. When folks like that go broke they end up jumping out of windows and shit. I am the same mf that I was when I had a bus pass and was eating 2 - 49 cent Taco Bell tacos for lunch, bringing my own cup to steal drinks from the self serve, and eating hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner every night. Same game but these days with more money in my pocket.
Take it from the likes of Jeff Bezos, Tracy Morgan, Emmit Smith, Dr. Dre: Your money is only good for keeping a broad until she finds a way to take half of it from you.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508305]The only thing this forum is good for really is information. You can get decent data here on supply and some with regards to pricing. But to be really accurate with pricing, you would need to know demand and quality are. The guys who think that they are masters at price just imagine what they are. At best, you can get a hazy picture of things. Also for some of us, our time is of value as well. Yesterday I paid 60,000 COP or 80,000 COP for a street girl on Santa Fe. If someone wants to say they got her for 40,000, do you think I am super impressed or that I don't give a shit?
On the other opaque end of the scale, I was with a seeking girl, and it was a top five experience sexually. This was her first date on seeking, and we fucked five times and were planning future dates.
Thing is that the price police dipshits do not even understand why I am giving her money at all. I could have given her nothing and sent her on the way and acted offended and called her a working girl if she did expect money.
And if I gave a shit what the price police assholes thought, wouldn't that be the best line of all? I got this hot chick and paid her nothing. Then you probably all would say that I am lying?[/QUOTE]Elvis you real seam to have your act together and have game. Not sure why you are hanging out in Colombia, but that is your decision, for me there are many destinations much better. You are wasting you time argue with these guys. You are correct, get a great hot girl and hang onto her, then mix in some Newbies.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508248]So. Because I have so much fun with people who are incapable of using logic. Any miscarriage is at a minimum involuntary manslaughter?
It's estimated that nearly 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. Out of every 100 pregnancies, 30 will miscarry before they are aware of the pregnancy, 10-15 will end by miscarriage in the first trimester and 1-5 will miscarry in the second trimester.
Under your reasoning, please explain the appropriate penalty for the following classes of miscarriage:
1. A woman who was raped and miscarried before she was aware of the pregnancy.
2. A woman who used birth control and had consensual sex, but the method used failed and she miscarried before aware of the pregnancy.
3. A woman who didn't use birth control, had consensual sex, miscarried before aware of the pregnancy.
4. All of the above who miscarried after becoming aware of the pregnancy.
5. A woman who contracts food poisoning (listeriosis) and miscarries.
6. A woman who miscarries after being beaten up by her alpha male boyfriend.
7. A woman who undergoes chemotherapy, unaware of her pregnancy and has a miscarriage.
That's enough for now. No sense in discussing the prison sentences for women who can't afford prenatal vitamins, or who accidentally fall down a flight of stairs..[/QUOTE]One of the weirdest post I've ever seen on ISG. Abortion and miscarriage are two completely different things. There are no "slippery slope".
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2508350]But did you make that explicitly known to her? Why do you assume that your money will achieve you getting the same experience? Who is to say that the same experience could not have been gotten over and over again for the rest of your life without money?
You put a lot of faith in your money being able to achieve things for you.[/QUOTE]I do a profile on women before I do anything else but that does not seem to be something that helps others so I will not go into. Basically, it showed me that she was lousy with money but great with sex. So if she said do not give me any money (and this has happened many times), that would mean she is interested in a romantic relationship, and I am not interested in getting into a relationship with a woman I know who is horrible with money.
So let me state what I think are your beliefs. The women on seeking are all working girls and how much you pay has no bearing on your sexual encounter.
Okay, so how come this woman is not fucking everyone who walks if it is just about money? If they are all working girls, that is what they should be doing. Do you believe that an increase in supply lowers prices? Well, in my area, there are 10,000+ women on seeking and about 500 hookers. If all the women on seeking were hookers, the prices should have gone way down, and that has not happened. In fact, they have gone up.
I agree with you that hookers do not respond to incentives. A long term relationship for them is having a good drug dealer. Generosity is weakness with them, but you are telling me that there are no women who would dabble in a safer, more social acceptable form of prostitution to make ends meet and who do respond to incentives? That is delusion, and you are only looking at evidence that supports your point of view.
You have two bright line categories of women: working girls and not working girls. My version of reality is a sliding scale. If things get bad enough, almost all women will turn to prostitution.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2508350]Take it from the likes of Jeff Bezos, Tracy Morgan, Emmit Smith, Dr. Dre: Your money is only good for keeping a broad until she finds a way to take half of it from you.[/QUOTE]That is a great attitude to have with working girls. If there are women who take money for sex and respond to incentives, and you tell me that you are not, then I am a fool. But if there are women who are selective about their escorting and do respond to incentives, then you are missing out.
And I think that is what bugs you. You do not want to trust any woman who sell any part of themselves. You are equating the risk of a broken heart. There is no broken heart possible here. Sure, I like this woman. How could I not like a woman who did everything possible to sexually please me? We fucked in the damned hotel pool.
My financial risk was one hour of pay from work. I will tell her in the future that our personalities can connect for fun, but when it comes to a serious business deal, we are not compatible, and she will stay with me until something better comes along.
With one of my long term SBs, she was dating a guy and was serious with him, and I broke it off with her. She was afraid of the financial loss that came along with her not being a SD, and I told her that what she was doing was not fair with THIS one guy. And you know what she did? She sent me an invitation to her wedding, and I went and had a good time. I still have not met a woman who gave better head.
I do not talk enough about the good SB SD relationships.
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I second that
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508499]One of the weirdest post I've ever seen on ISG. Abortion and miscarriage are two completely different things. There are no "slippery slope".[/QUOTE]It's pretty off the edge of sanity. I am by no means a bible thumper but wacky liberal talking points like this only gives the prolife credibility. Does he even know what the meaning behind abortion is? Intention.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508499]One of the weirdest post I've ever seen on ISG. Abortion and miscarriage are two completely different things. There are no "slippery slope".[/QUOTE]You're back from when you crawled away to lick your wounds last time. How delightful!
I understand English isn't your first language and rational thought isn't something you've ever achieved, but that should read "there is no slippery slope." Which is, keeping your record perfect, wrong.
1. There have already been cases prosecuted successfully in the US, against mothers who miscarried and it was determined their behavior was responsible for the miscarriage.
2. While still Governor of Indiana, current VP Mike Pence signed a law requiring funeral services for all abortions and miscarriages. Under the law every sexually active woman would have been required to have every monthly discharge examined at a lab to determine whether or not the egg had been fertilized, and if so, funeral services were required. Look up "Periods for Pence" for the reaction.
Of course the only difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is intent. The result is the same. Defining human life as beginning at the moment of conception is a slippery slope, because the exact moment of conception can't be determined.
As most men (at least those with functional penises, apparently not a group you belong to) are aware, semen is often emitted prior to ejaculation, and it can contain enough sperm to result in pregnancy. That arguably makes the moment of conception the same as the moment of penetration.
Abortion and miscarriage both terminate a pregnancy. If human rights are determined to be granted from the instant of conception, arguably the instance of penetration, any mishap resulting in the termination of the pregnancy, or possibly the prevention of the pregnancy, must be investigated to determine if fault exists.
If someone dies in an accident, there's always an investigation to determine fault. If I run over and kill another person, even if there was nothing I could do to avoid them, I can not only face civil penalties, I can be criminally prosecuted and sent to prison. How is that fundamentally different from a miscarriage, if any fertilized over is considered a human life?
You probably should stick to subjects you know something about. Maybe someone will start a thread about the advantages of eating lead based paint.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2508564]It's pretty off the edge of sanity. I am by no means a bible thumper but wacky liberal talking points like this only gives the prolife credibility. Does he even know what the meaning behind abortion is? Intention.[/QUOTE]Why yes, he actually does. You can address questions directly to me, rather than clinging to someone else's skirt. I will answer them. Ask anyone. I'm not afraid to speak my mind.
Since you're asking, go back and read it again. Tell me what is the fundamental difference between the result of an abortion and the result of a miscarriage. I'll give you a hint, since you don't seem to be too bright. If a person accidentally ingests a lethal dose of poison, or if a person intentionally ingests a lethal dose of the same poison, the result is the same.
Here's another hint. If a person accidentally falls from the top floor of Edificio Coltejer, their body strikes the sidewalk at the same velocity as if they had jumped or been pushed. The result is the same.
Using the last example, if I opened the window and got the victim drunk and then told him his wife was going to leave him and take everything he owned, do I share any liability for his death?
That should be an easy question to answer. Without my intervention the death would not have happened at that place and time.
See how simple that is? Did Shoo Bree at least shave his legs so you can cling to them without dealing with razor stubble?
Now back to the subject.
If a pregnant woman miscarries, the fetus, regardless of how developed, ceases to develop and becomes a mass of dead tissue. If a pregnant woman has an abortion, the fetus, regardless of how developed, ceases to develop and becomes a mass of dead tissue. For those who are particularly dim, the results are the same.
It is possible to cause a miscarriage, intentionally, call it a non-medical abortion if it makes it easier to understand.
Still following, or have you gone back to eating your crayons?
If, as a lot of complete fucking idiots want, human life is legally determined to begin at conception (which once again, because I'm apparently dealing with morons, can't be accurately determined), any miscarriage is potentially an intentional act to terminate a pregnancy. In other words, a legal determination must be made to determine if the miscarriage was murder, involuntary manslaughter or child endangerment resulting in death.
In the future, pull your head out of your ass before posting. It will save you some embarrassment.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508575]You're back from when you crawled away to lick your wounds last time. How delightful!
I understand English isn't your first language and rational thought isn't something you've ever achieved, but that should read "there is no slippery slope." Which is, keeping your record perfect, wrong.
1. There have already been cases prosecuted successfully in the US, against mothers who miscarried and it was determined their behavior was responsible for the miscarriage.
2. While still Governor of Indiana, current VP Mike Pence signed a law requiring funeral services for all abortions and miscarriages. Under the law every sexually active woman would have been required to have every monthly discharge examined at a lab to determine whether or not the egg had been fertilized, and if so, funeral services were required. Look up "Periods for Pence" for the reaction.
Of course the only difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is intent. The result is the same. Defining human life as beginning at the moment of conception is a slippery slope, because the exact moment of conception can't be determined..[/QUOTE]If you honestly think the rights of women to safely choose to abort her pregnancy and causing malicious harm to an unborn resulting in loss is the same thing then you are not playing with a full deck. Do you understand what the term miscarriage even means? Do you think when Scott Peterson killed his wife and unborn child she suffered a miscarriage? Of course not he was charged with double murder.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508623]Why yes, he actually does. You can address questions directly to me, rather than clinging to someone else's skirt. I will answer them. Ask anyone. I'm not afraid to speak my mind.
Since you're asking, go back and read it again. Tell me what is the fundamental difference between the result of an abortion and the result of a miscarriage. I'll give you a hint, since you don't seem to be too bright. If a person accidentally ingests a lethal dose of poison, or if a person intentionally ingests a lethal dose of the same poison, the result is the same.
Here's another hint. If a person accidentally falls from the top floor of Edificio Coltejer, their body strikes the sidewalk at the same velocity as if they had jumped or been pushed. The result is the same.
Using the last example, if I opened the window and got the victim drunk and then told him his wife was going to leave him and take everything he owned, do I share any liability for his death?
That should be an easy question to answer. Without my intervention the death would not have happened at that place and time.[/QUOTE]Yeah. You really need to step off from that ledge my friend. No one defines back alley clothes hanger abortion as miscarriages it's called murder. Seek help.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508542]So let me state what I think are your beliefs. The women on seeking are all working girls and how much you pay has no bearing on your sexual encounter.[/QUOTE]My belief is that in general money has nothing to do with the quality of the sexual encounter that you have with a woman. Now if we are going down a list saying shit a la carte did she kiss me, did she blow me, etc then I would not even entertain that in the discussion. That is some old Tijuana street chick bullshit and you will nary get what can be described as quality in that kind of situation.
But when talking about hookers from online, or hookers that you picked up in a disco then I would say you have to take into account the chemistry of both partners together. You would also have to take into account your expectations. Were you expecting this chick to put her tongue deep into your ass but she would not do it? Maybe you would not consider that quality. Even beyond that stuff you have to consider if this person is just plain not good at sex. It may not be something they are doing on purpose that is not making it quality and even in a quality session it probably not something the chick is doing consciously or on purpose for it to be considered a great session. It could just be the way she has sex. And in my experience it is just the luck of the draw. You found someone that does perfectly everything that you like. Not that they are trying to impress you or the amount of money got them to do it, but that is just how they do it.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508542]Okay, so how come this woman is not fucking everyone who walks if it is just about money?[/QUOTE]Any time you deal with women it is always a numbers game. The more you talk to, the more you will get. Sometimes I have met chicks that are known hookers, but I am fucking them for free on a regular basis. Can I go out and do this with every hooker I meet? No. Do I even do this on purpose? No. And again, this stands for all women: It just so happens I or you or anyone else was in the right place at the right time saying and doing the right shit. And when the opportunity appeared, was able to take advantage and capitalize. As the old saying goes, the sun even shines on a dog's ass every now and then.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508542]If there are women who take money for sex and respond to incentives, and you tell me that you are not, then I am a fool. But if there are women who are selective about their escorting and do respond to incentives, then you are missing out.
And I think that is what bugs you. You do not want to trust any woman who sell any part of themselves. You are equating the risk of a broken heart.[/QUOTE]Actually none of it bugs me. I could literally not even tell you how many non-pros I am fucking right now. I just came from 4 days in Barranquilla where I fucked 4 non-pros and there were more that I talked to everyday, but did not let them know I was in town. Now I am in Bogota and the only reason I am not with one now is because 2 are on covid quarantine until their tests come back, and 2 that are nurses are at work right now. But one will come when her shift is over in the morning. And I leave for Dominican Republic in the afternoon, where I have a countless number as well. I do not even tell most women that I will be in town until I am actually in town. And I do not stay long. So if something is going on when I hit them up and say hey I am in Bogota until tomorrow (as I did the 4 I just mentioned), then my loss. So the trust and broken heart thing really has nothing to do with me. Women come and women go. I do not make any commitments and I enjoy them while we are in each other's lives.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2508542]My financial risk was one hour of pay from work. I will tell her in the future that our personalities can connect for fun, but when it comes to a serious business deal, we are not compatible, and she will stay with me until something better comes along.[/QUOTE]That is exactly how I run my operation. A chick can kick it with me until something better comes along for her. And there will be no hard feelings. I have had chicks even leave me when a guy came along and you know what, they were right back when it finished or still kept dealing with me when they had that guy. My financial risk is zero, because I simply do not give money to non-pros. That is what hookers are for.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2508709]My belief is that in general money has nothing to do with the quality of the sexual encounter that you have with a woman. Now if we are going down a list saying shit a la carte did she kiss me, did she blow me, etc then I would not even entertain that in the discussion. That is some old Tijuana street chick bullshit and you will nary get what can be described as quality in that kind of situation.
But when talking about hookers from online, or hookers that you picked up in a disco then I would say you have to take into account the chemistry of both partners together. You would also have to take into account your expectations. Were you expecting this chick to put her tongue deep into your ass but she would not do it? Maybe you would not consider that quality. Even beyond that stuff you have to consider if this person is just plain not good at sex. It may not be something they are doing on purpose that is not making it quality and even in a quality session it probably not something the chick is doing consciously or on purpose for it to be considered a great session. It could just be the way she has sex. And in my experience it is just the luck of the draw. You found someone that does perfectly everything that you like. Not that they are trying to impress you or the amount of money got them to do it, but that is just how they do it.
Any time you deal with women it is always a numbers game. The more you talk to, the more you will get. Sometimes I have met chicks that are known hookers, but I am fucking them for free on a regular basis. Can I go out and do this with every hooker I meet? No. Do I even do this on purpose? No. And again, this stands for all women: It just so happens I or you or anyone else was in the right place at the right time saying and doing the right shit. And when the opportunity appeared, was able to take advantage and capitalize. As the old saying goes, the sun even shines on a dog's ass every now and then..[/QUOTE]There are 2 glaring flaws in the logic.
1. She has never done this with anyone but me and she's only seeing me.
Unless you've spent every day with a girl since before she became sexually active (in Colombia better start watching her at 12), you haven't the faintest fucking idea whether she's ever fucked for money before, or if she's made it into the Mansion Hall of Fame by fucking 23 guys in 1 night. Unless you're staying with her 24/7 afterwards, you have no way to even guess about who she's fucking when you're not around.
I had a girlfriend's mother tell me her daughter was nearly sick with missing me and couldn't wait to see me again, while the daughter was fucking a married guy her mom had hooked her up with. I happened to be sitting in the parking lot at the time, since I had come to dump her and pick up my stuff.
Any of the "she only sees me" stuff is at best wishful thinking, especially if you're talking about some girl who obviously loves sex.
2. Giving her money to keep her hooked on you.
Sorry, but no. Unless she's desperate to find anyone willing to fuck her, that money does 1 of 2 things. It either frees her up to fuck the broke ass local boy she would rather be with, or it teaches her how to make extra money from horny or lovestruck gringos. Even if she's not double or triple dipping, her eyes are open to the reality that there's always someone else who will spend more money for the same thing.
There's either hooking, or not-hooking, although some say the only difference is whether or not the woman accepts cash. If you're giving her money, it's not even debatable. If you're paying her rent, as long as you're also staying at the same place when you're in town, then you can call her a house sitter with benefits. Otherwise, it's homes for hookers.
There's nothing wrong with all of that. There's just no need for self-delusion. You meet, you fuck, you pay and then you go on your way. Next time you're around you do it again. You can do the "te amo" and "te adoro" crap in between, while you're fucking someone else, but there's no need to take it seriously.
A woman is only going to fuck you if she sees a profit in it. Whether that's money, security, upward mobility, or she just likes the way you fuck, very few of them are fucking anyone, just because they want to fuck.
And that's the fundamental difference between the sexes. Most men will happily grab a girl from a lineup and fuck her without any worry about whether or not she'll respect him in the morning. Does she swallow gets asked a lot more than will she still respect me.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508575]You're back from when you crawled away to lick your wounds last time. How delightful!
I understand English isn't your first language and rational thought isn't something you've ever achieved, but that should read "there is no slippery slope." Which is, keeping your record perfect, wrong.
1. There have already been cases prosecuted successfully in the US, against mothers who miscarried and it was determined their behavior was responsible for the miscarriage.
2. While still Governor of Indiana, current VP Mike Pence signed a law requiring funeral services for all abortions and miscarriages. Under the law every sexually active woman would have been required to have every monthly discharge examined at a lab to determine whether or not the egg had been fertilized, and if so, funeral services were required. Look up "Periods for Pence" for the reaction.
Of course the only difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is intent. The result is the same. Defining human life as beginning at the moment of conception is a slippery slope, because the exact moment of conception can't be determined.
As most men (at least those with functional penises, apparently not a group you belong to) are aware, semen is often emitted prior to ejaculation, and it can contain enough sperm to result in pregnancy. That arguably makes the moment of conception the same as the moment of penetration..[/QUOTE]Yawn, the more you argue the crazier you seem to be. You can be in favor of abortions all you want but it's still not the same thing as a miscarriage. But please, go to a grieving woman that lost her baby and tell her that she had an abortion. It's all just a slippery slope after all.
Don't you worry about my linguistic skills, just tell me what's your fourth language? Mine is English.
It would be good if you took your own advice and stopped acting like a full blown example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Arrogant airhead.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508230]Admins, please stop protecting me.
I hope this doesn't result in me being struck by a meteor.
Oh shit. I just imagined Admin2 playing poker while wearing a fairy godmother costume.
Did that work? I never realized they were protecting me. As many times as they have stomped on my dick, I was pretty sure that protecting me was somewhere on their list of priorities below "Find a fat, old, ugly woman who gives toothy blowjobs for $200."
Sensitive? Me? Sure, I cry whenever I watch a touchy-feely chick flick with a girl, but that's only because I realize the sex won't be worth having to sit through the movie.
Little? Not even close on that one. You know the grab rail on the Medellin metro? Of course you don't. How silly of me. Anyway, 99 out of 100 trips on the metro, I'm the only one who has to worry about hitting his head on the grab rail.
Pussy? This coming from the guy who keeps telling everyone what he would do in places he won't ever go? It would appear you're not qualified to make that judgement.[/QUOTE]Yes admin please stop protecting him.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508787]Yawn, the more you argue the crazier you seem to be. You can be in favor of abortions all you want but it's still not the same thing as a miscarriage. But please, go to a grieving woman that lost her baby and tell her that she had an abortion. It's all just a slippery slope after all.
Don't you worry about my linguistic skills, just tell me what's your fourth language? Mine is English.
It would be good if you took your own advice and stopped acting like a full blown example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Arrogant airhead.[/QUOTE]I understand you're an idiot. You've demonstrated it many times. Then after enough people are laughing at you, you go crawl away and hide for 4-6 months. We've all seen it. I'm sure we'll soon see it again.
Now, since you are such a clueless fuckstick, I'll spell it out for you.
The result of an abortion and the result of a miscarriage is exactly the same fucking thing, you brainless twat discharge. The pregnancy is terminated. It's over. It's finished. There will be no fucking diaper changes required. Does that finally register in one of your 9 functioning brain cells?
Nobody said that an abortion and a miscarriage is the same action. Only someone as ridiculously stupid as you would even assume such a thing. I've clearly stated, for anyone with an IQ over 30, that the significant difference is intent. One is intentional, the other may not be intentional.
Therefore, you infected lesion on the soul of humanity, defining human life as beginning at conception is a slippery slope. There are fucking gerbils who have a better chance of understanding such a simple concept, than you.
You see, you cum encrusted, dessicated dog turd, if every fertilized over is legally classified as a human being, the host of that fetus, the mother, the pregnant woman, becomes legally responsible for the health of the fetus.
Just curious, did you snort mercury and practice oxygen deprivation therapy as a child? I'm trying to understand whether your obvious brain damage was self-inflicted.
Any loss of human life, unless the cause is obvious, must be investigated to determine if the life was ended wrongfully. The end result is that any woman who miscarries, if human life is classified as beginning at conception, is subject to investigation and prosecution.
Now go back to sniffing paint fumes or whatever it is you do to destroy your minimal ability to think.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2508799]Yes admin please stop protecting him.[/QUOTE]If someone will let you borrow a pair of testicles, go right ahead and flex your mental muscle. Or do you need to ask daddy's permission first?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508854]If someone will let you borrow a pair of testicles, go right ahead and flex your mental muscle. Or do you need to ask daddy's permission first?[/QUOTE]Sure. But you should know there's no admin looking out for their favorite power bottom in the real world.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508853]I understand you're an idiot. You've demonstrated it many times. Then after enough people are laughing at you, you go crawl away and hide for 4-6 months. We've all seen it. I'm sure we'll soon see it again.
Now, since you are such a clueless fuckstick, I'll spell it out for you.
The result of an abortion and the result of a miscarriage is exactly the same fucking thing, you brainless twat discharge. The pregnancy is terminated. It's over. It's finished. There will be no fucking diaper changes required. Does that finally register in one of your 9 functioning brain cells?
Nobody said that an abortion and a miscarriage is the same action. Only someone as ridiculously stupid as you would even assume such a thing. I've clearly stated, for anyone with an IQ over 30, that the significant difference is intent. One is intentional, the other may not be intentional.
Therefore, you infected lesion on the soul of humanity, defining human life as beginning at conception is a slippery slope. There are fucking gerbils who have a better chance of understanding such a simple concept, than you.[/QUOTE]You're obviously crazy, that explains your delusional rants. Why would I hide from a moron like you that I verbally knocked on his ass? You didn't even dare to reply to me.
I want to thank you anyways, I laughed so hard when I saw that you write erotic novels to prepagos in Medellin. I'm sure that they are extremely appreciative. LMFAO!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508770]There are 2 glaring flaws in the logic.
Any of the "she only sees me" stuff is at best wishful thinking, especially if you're talking about some girl who obviously loves sex.[/QUOTE]I just want to make something clear here. I can usually tell when a woman has been without sex for a while versus one who has been out fucking other guys. I really do not care so much that she is faithful. I like it when I am like an oasis for a woman who has been in the desert a year without sex. Whether she has been or is acting that she has been is not a concern of mine.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508770]Sorry, but no. Unless she's desperate to find anyone willing to fuck her, that money does 1 of 2 things. It either frees her up to fuck the broke ass local boy she would rather be with, or it teaches her how to make extra money from horny or lovestruck gringos. Even if she's not double or triple dipping, her eyes are open to the reality that there's always someone else who will spend more money for the same thing.
There's either hooking, or not-hooking, although some say the only difference is whether or not the woman accepts cash. If you're giving her money, it's not even debatable. If you're paying her rent, as long as you're also staying at the same place when you're in town, then you can call her a house sitter with benefits. Otherwise, it's homes for hookers.[/QUOTE]That is usually true with most women, but there is this notion that the money I am giving them causes dependence. Actually, with me, it is so the woman can be independent. That is why I have paid for school, health expenses ETC. Most of the women then are going to look around at other men or opportunities once they are independent. I know that. I think the difference is you are being cynical and saying ALL women are like that, and I would say most women are.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2508770]A woman is only going to fuck you if she sees a profit in it. Whether that's money, security, upward mobility, or she just likes the way you fuck, very few of them are fucking anyone, just because they want to fuck.[/QUOTE]Somebody said on here that rich people get their money by ripping people off. That is something I have not seen to be true. Most rich people I know have gotten that way by working their ass off. The biggest difference between rich and poor people in my opinion is stamina. When you are busting your ass for nothing and other people you know are out paryting or when you have a ton of studying to do and it is not going well, there is a huge temptation to quit. The biggest difference between rich and poor people then is the support system, rich people have cheerleaders saying all that hard work is going to pay off and encourage you to stick to with it because it is a long road, and poor people do not.
When you say that the women are only interested in money, you are missing the huge payout, the difference in salaries between Colombia and the USA, and that can be millions of dollars over a career. Now how many women are realistically capable of achieving that reality? Very few. You have to get that degree. You have to want to work and you have to be willing to give up your family to get it, and a woman has to trust you through the entire visa process depending on which visa route you choose, and that is a hard road very few will embark on.
Now that is not going to be some barrio girl whose best long term relationship is her drug dealer right? I think I have talked about the heartbreaks too much and not about how many women I have let go or reject saying that they are incapable of making that journey. Or how when women do become dependent, I have gotten rid of them.
Thing is Mr. E's post did make me think. Why did I give that woman I had sex with money before she left? To me, it was custom. In the USA, that money was like protection to me against a woman scorned for being led on which is something I do not need to worry about in Colombia. So he is right. I should not have given her any money. This woman was great but I knew she was not capable of making the journey I talked about. She is a fun companion not a serious one.
I think you guys also miss the payoff in other ways. I was with a girl from club Fiebre. I see her, and she did something out of the blue that I have not had a woman do. After we were done, she texted me and said that she had a really great time. I joked with her that when I was in Bogota, she would be my novia. I think that had an effect on her. She asked to see me again and we did meet.
We have a good time, and she is into the sex, and she was good, but she was better this time. It is over, and we start talking about how the virus hard been hard for her, and she says that she really needs a bed. I ask her how much it is, and she says $200.
I told her that I would give her the money, and I did. Every guy on her is like God you are a sucker or you are ruining the market. She starts crying, and she then fucks me again and insists that I see the bed and we break it in and she wants to cook for me. Now I think there is nothing to this girl. She is a stripper right? She smokes pot, drinks ETC, tatted up. She then tells me that back in Venezuela she was a criminal lawyer, and she has modeled internationally.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508895]You're obviously crazy, that explains your delusional rants. Why would I hide from a moron like you that I verbally knocked on his ass? You didn't even dare to reply to me.
I want to thank you anyways, I laughed so hard when I saw that you write erotic novels to prepagos in Medellin. I'm sure that they are extremely appreciative. LMFAO![/QUOTE]I didn't dare reply to you? You have yet to respond to anything I've written in an intelligible manner. You just do the one thing you know how to do, rant like the tiny pathetic little ***** you are.
I did something this morning, which I should have done before. I looked at your contributions to ISG. Except there aren't any. Not one single post which contains anything of value. Nothing to even suggest you've ever ventured farther than 60 cm from your mother's vagina. Did they forget to cut the umbilical cord, or do you just stay that close so she can protect you from all those bad men with the big mean words?
While I am more than happy to sling mud back at anyone who wishes to start slinging, I'll save my energy for those who have some purpose, other than some boy pretending he's not terrified to leave his mama's skirts.
To sum it up, the total number of useful and helpful posts you've contributed to ISG is exactly equal to the number of useable vaginas found on a cactus. Your only achievement so far is to answer the age old question: if garden slugs could talk, what would they say?
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2508872]Sure. But you should know there's no admin looking out for their favorite power bottom in the real world.[/QUOTE]What does that even mean? Spell it out for me.
Are you saying "Sure", because you have to ask daddy's permission first? Are you saying "Sure", because you need to borrow a pair of testicles? Next time, try borrowing an adult pair, because the ones you're using don't seem to measure up.
I'm curious why you would advertise your sexual preoccupation with sheep here? Or did nobody explain the meaning of "ewe" to you?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509112]What does that even mean? Spell it out for me.
Are you saying "Sure", because you have to ask daddy's permission first? Are you saying "Sure", because you need to borrow a pair of testicles? Next time, try borrowing an adult pair, because the ones you're using don't seem to measure up.
I'm curious why you would advertise your sexual preoccupation with sheep here? Or did nobody explain the meaning of "ewe" to you?[/QUOTE]No thanks I don't swing that way unlike you, I'm sure you got plenty of admins' balls in your mouth to spare but I'm good. Don't pretend you don't like that all your posts goes to some homo erotic fantasy in your head. And you really need to look up the meaning of Ewe before you put up your fecal matter on paper.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2509167]No thanks I don't swing that way unlike you, I'm sure you got plenty of admins' balls in your mouth to spare but I'm good. Don't pretend you don't like that all your posts goes to some homo erotic fantasy in your head. And you really need to look up the meaning of Ewe before you put up your fecal matter on paper.[/QUOTE]No thanks to what? There's no offer of anything to you in my post. Are you having trouble understanding basic English?
How do all my posts go to homo erotic fantasies? There's nothing even close in any of my posts which you've responded (incoherently) to, yet in each response you go straight to some male on male reference. You appear to be projecting.
Last time I checked, none of the forum is stored on paper. It wouldn't be very efficient if the admins had to print everything out, file everything and then reenter every single post each time someone views the board. Has nobody explained to you how modern day data processing, transmission and retrieval works?
I had no need to look up ewe, but I did it anyway.
Ewe. Noun - A female sheep.
However, let's get back to the subject at hand. I asked before and I'm asking again.
What exactly do you mean by "there's no admin looking out for their favorite power bottom in the real world?
If you're trying to say something, come out and say it. There's no need to hide.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509111]I didn't dare reply to you? You have yet to respond to anything I've written in an intelligible manner. You just do the one thing you know how to do, rant like the tiny pathetic little ***** you are.
I did something this morning, which I should have done before. I looked at your contributions to ISG. Except there aren't any. Not one single post which contains anything of value. Nothing to even suggest you've ever ventured farther than 60 cm from your mother's vagina. Did they forget to cut the umbilical cord, or do you just stay that close so she can protect you from all those bad men with the big mean words?
While I am more than happy to sling mud back at anyone who wishes to start slinging, I'll save my energy for those who have some purpose, other than some boy pretending he's not terrified to leave his mama's skirts.
To sum it up, the total number of useful and helpful posts you've contributed to ISG is exactly equal to the number of useable vaginas found on a cactus. Your only achievement so far is to answer the age old question: if garden slugs could talk, what would they say?[/QUOTE]How embarrassing, you must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history. Unhinged is a word that sums you up perfectly. Next time take a look at my posting history instead, you might learn something.
I'm honestly laughing my ass off at you. Just tell me this, will you send these conversations to the prepagos in Medellin?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509225]How embarrassing, you must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history. Unhinged is a word that sums you up perfectly. Next time take a look at my posting history instead, you might learn something.
I'm honestly laughing my ass off at you. Just tell me this, will you send these conversations to the prepagos in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Here's a simple challenge. I'm 100% certain you won't accept it, because you can't meet the incredibly easy conditions to win.
Post a link to any useful, helpful or informative post, which you have submitted to any of the regular Colombia threads, within the past 2 years. It can be anything at all which other board members might gather useful information from, to help them with mongering in Colombia.
I'll add extra incentive. For every useful post, written by you, which you link here, I'll leave ISG for a week, and I'll make it additive. Link 1 post, I leave for 1 week. Link 2 and I leave for 3. Link 3 and I leave for 7, 4 gets 15,5 gets 31 and 6 gets you 64 weeks without seeing a post by me for almost 15 months.
Show us all those helpful contributions. Let us read again about your favorite places to stay and eat in Colombia. Point us to your trip reports and all the girls you've enjoyed in Medellin. Tell us one more time your strategies for getting the most for your pesos in Colombia. All you have to do is show 1, just 1 single post and you win.
We both already know how this will turn out.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509481]Here's a simple challenge. I'm 100% certain you won't accept it, because you can't meet the incredibly easy conditions to win.
Post a link to any useful, helpful or informative post, which you have submitted to any of the regular Colombia threads, within the past 2 years. It can be anything at all which other board members might gather useful information from, to help them with mongering in Colombia.
I'll add extra incentive. For every useful post, written by you, which you link here, I'll leave ISG for a week, and I'll make it additive. Link 1 post, I leave for 1 week. Link 2 and I leave for 3. Link 3 and I leave for 7, 4 gets 15,5 gets 31 and 6 gets you 64 weeks without seeing a post by me for almost 15 months.
Show us all those helpful contributions. Let us read again about your favorite places to stay and eat in Colombia. Point us to your trip reports and all the girls you've enjoyed in Medellin. Tell us one more time your strategies for getting the most for your pesos in Colombia. All you have to do is show 1, just 1 single post and you win.
We both already know how this will turn out.[/QUOTE]I will be even more generous:
Here's a simple challenge. I'm 100% certain you won't accept it, because you can't meet the incredibly easy conditions to win.
Post a link to any useful, helpful or informative post, which you have submitted to any of the regular Spain or UAE threads, within the past 25 years. It can be anything at all which other board members might gather useful information from, to help them with mongering in Spain or UAE.
I'll add extra incentive. For every useful post, written by you, which you link here, I'll leave ISG for a week, and I'll make it additive. Link 1 post, I leave for 1 week. Link 2 and I leave for 3. Link 3 and I leave for 7, 4 gets 15,5 gets 31 and 6 gets you 64 weeks without seeing a post by me for almost 15 months.
Show us all those helpful contributions. Let us read again about your favorite places to stay and eat in Spain and UAE. Point us to your trip reports and all the girls you've enjoyed in Madrid. Tell us one more time your strategies for getting the most for your euros in Spain. All you have to do is show 1, just 1 single post and you win.
We both already know how this will turn out.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509505]
We both already know how this will turn out.[/QUOTE]This thread should be called, Junior High School jibber jabber in Medellin, just dumb. Smh.
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2509549]This thread should be called, Junior High School jibber jabber in Medellin, just dumb. Smh.[/QUOTE]I'm sick and tired of that asshole and his moronic comments. He's been fighting and insulting others constantly for over five years now. Enough is enough! His last comment about abortion and miscarriage was so incredible stupid that I couldn't stop myself from pointing that out. Instead of realizing his error he shift the subject and started to verbally abuse me. I don't care about his insults because he's just a moronic loser in my eyes. He probably should stick to writing erotic novels for his prepagos.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509223]No thanks to what? There's no offer of anything to you in my post. Are you having trouble understanding basic English?
How do all my posts go to homo erotic fantasies? There's nothing even close in any of my posts which you've responded (incoherently) to, yet in each response you go straight to some male on male reference. You appear to be projecting.
Last time I checked, none of the forum is stored on paper. It wouldn't be very efficient if the admins had to print everything out, file everything and then reenter every single post each time someone views the board. Has nobody explained to you how modern day data processing, transmission and retrieval works?
I had no need to look up ewe, but I did it anyway.
Ewe. Noun - A female sheep.
However, let's get back to the subject at hand. I asked before and I'm asking again.
What exactly do you mean by "there's no admin looking out for their favorite power bottom in the real world?
If you're trying to say something, come out and say it. There's no need to hide.[/QUOTE]Another word to look up idiom. Like for example: LMFAO! At you, or. Putting pen to paper, in your case excrement.
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[QUOTE=Balboa;2509549]This thread should be called, Junior High School jibber jabber in Medellin, just dumb. Smh.[/QUOTE]Although I'd move it back to 5th grade, I can't disagree with you. However, it's unavoidable. If you have a forum, you're going to have trolls.
I'll take the blame if you want. If I stopped posting entirely, half of this stuff would disappear. However, as long as I post, no matter what I post, there are a handful of people who will be angry that I'm allowed to post. If someone asks about taxis in Medellin and I write as much as I know, including that the taxis are yellow, someone will respond that the Rionegro airport taxis are white and they saw a YouTube video of a green taxi in the Dominican Republic, therefore I obviously don't know what I'm talking about.
I wish that was an exaggeration.
In my opinion each of us owes it to ISG to give back and help others. We do that by sharing our experiences and what we've learned. We also do that by speaking up when we see something wrong.
A year or two back an Asian monger wanted to know if there were any particular issues for Asians in Medellin. Someone responded that everyone would yell at him and call him names, people would get in his face and attempt to pick fights with him. Do we let any new guy read that without challenging it?
I've been lucky. I've met several guys of Asian descent in Medellin and spent a lot of time all over, and never once saw anyone behave badly towards them. None of them have ever mentioned experiencing such behavior. And sure enough, when I wrote about my experience, it pissed someone off.
Over the past 40 months or so, I've probably posted as much useful information on the Medellin thread as anyone. That's not bragging. I've spent almost one third of that time span in Medellin and I enjoy writing about my experiences.
Does it anger some that I post so often? Or is it because I write reasonably well? Is it because I write clearly and with certainty? Or is it because I speak up when I see something wrong?
I've been called an arrogant know-it-all and I've been called a pussy who knows nothing. I've received a few threats, some veiled, like the recent one from ewe52, some are more explicit. One PM, from someone currently involved in the jibber jabber was quite descriptive about how he hoped I would die. None of it bothers me. I haven't met a word yet that scares me.
As I said, if I leave ISG much of the crap goes with me, because the trolls would lose their favorite target. You're one of the few on here who could ask that of me and I would do it. However, in a few weeks, or a few months the guys who have nothing to contribute, except for their anger, will have found a new focus.
I have already shifted to placing the most useless of the children on ignore. Maybe they will get bored and go sit on mommy's lap, if I'm ignoring them.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2509805]Another word to look up idiom. Like for example: LMFAO! At you, or. Putting pen to paper, in your case excrement.[/QUOTE]Well this is awkward.
LMFAO is an acronym, not an idiom.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509857]
As I said, if I leave ISG much of the crap goes with me, because the trolls would lose their favorite target. You're one of the few on here who could ask that of me and I would do it. However, in a few weeks, or a few months the guys who have nothing to contribute, except for their anger, will have found a new focus.
I have already shifted to placing the most useless of the children on ignore. Maybe they will get bored and go sit on mommy's lap, if I'm ignoring them.[/QUOTE]No reason to leave the ISG, JjB. You post some great info that comes from experience, and you do enjoy a good debate, LOL.
I did make the Junior High school jibber jabber comment, however, I also realize that the jibber jabber I refer to was made in the Stupid Shit forum, so maybe I should just read or ignore and let the verbal jabs roll, haha.
There are some personalities for sure in the Medellin forum, including you, Pollo, Mr E, Don Juan Blakman LOL, etc.
I don't always agree with guys, however, good info is passed and the forum stays interesting.
I've been on the board for many years, I remember when Mr E was a rookie, LOL.
I had to change handles a while back because some jealous dip shit ratted me out to a girl friend at the time.
All that has passed now. Girl friend long gone, dip shit gone too, LOL.
Anyway, keep on truckin.
I'm not into bickering, but I do enjoy your informative posts!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509857]Although I'd move it back to 5th grade, I can't disagree with you. However, it's unavoidable. If you have a forum, you're going to have trolls.
I'll take the blame if you want. If I stopped posting entirely, half of this stuff would disappear. However, as long as I post, no matter what I post, there are a handful of people who will be angry that I'm allowed to post. If someone asks about taxis in Medellin and I write as much as I know, including that the taxis are yellow, someone will respond that the Rionegro airport taxis are white and they saw a YouTube video of a green taxi in the Dominican Republic, therefore I obviously don't know what I'm talking about.
I wish that was an exaggeration.
In my opinion each of us owes it to ISG to give back and help others. We do that by sharing our experiences and what we've learned. We also do that by speaking up when we see something wrong.
A year or two back an Asian monger wanted to know if there were any particular issues for Asians in Medellin. Someone responded that everyone would yell at him and call him names, people would get in his face and attempt to pick fights with him. Do we let any new guy read that without challenging it?.[/QUOTE]This must be the 'woe is me' time to play victim time.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2509857]As I said, if I leave ISG much of the crap goes with me.[/QUOTE]Sounds very good decision.
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[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2510163]Sounds very good decision.[/QUOTE]Weren't you the guy who insisted that everyone in Colombia would insult and try to pick fights with any Asian? I do believe you were.
It appears your ability to recognize a good decision is on par with your ability to write a complete sentence.
"Sounds very good decision."
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2510037]This must be the 'woe is me' time to play victim time.[/QUOTE]Weren't you one of the children crying for the admins to stop protecting me?
Hypocrisy looks good on you.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2508347]We have discussed this before and I agreed that I believe how you "roll" is unique to mongering and yet you still want to act offended my opinions that have never been directed at you?
The fact you want to be offended is very revealing in many ways.[/QUOTE]I am sorry. I misunderstood your POV, MDS. My apologies.
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SJobs May he Rest In Peace
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2513451]I have a system. It is my own. I have a line up of girls who are ranked, and they all know their rank, their number. Right now I have 15 girls but really I only take the Top Ten seriously. A girl has to defer to a girl with a higher ranking. That is pretty much the only rule. Here's the point. Of the Top Ten girls, seven are regular girls, non-pros, five of them have jobs. None of those 7 expect to be paid for sex. Girls number 4, 5, and 7 are pros and I pay them, although I have gotten a ton of freebies. We got out in groups of 3 and sometimes 4, and I have lost count of the number of three ways I've had within my line up. I am free to go outside the line up as are they, but the top girls are fiercely loyal to me. I trust them and they all invite me to stay with them in their homes when I am in Medellin. I start with the lowest ranked girl and work my way up to Numero Uno. But I digress.
The way I met all 7 of the regular girls was I walked up to them and started talking to them. That is one of the amazing things about Medellin. You will hardly ever get rebuffed. In fact, there's a better than 50/50 chance you will be in bed with her that night, if you want. The selection process ensures what I see is what I get. Talking to a girl while she is at work is great because right way, you know she has a job. I look for gorgeous girls that are working in a shop or mall or some little booth on the street.
Social media is great for this, but don't hesitate to go up to any girl you see. You have to be better than a Neanderthal, but not much. A little bit Spanish comes in handy, but you can get a girl with a dozen or so memorized phrases, you do not have to be fluent.[/QUOTE]Very impressive, and too think that a guy not much better looking than a Neanderthal, and not even close to being fluent in Spanish, will have a 50/50 chance of bedding a gorgeous girl the same day as meeting is incredible. Sounds like a helluva system you have perfected that others on this board will hopefully be able to emulate.
Hat's off to you!
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I love sarcasm. I am known on line as
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2513714]Very impressive, and too think that a guy not much better looking than a Neanderthal, and not even close to being fluent in Spanish, will have a 50/50 chance of bedding a gorgeous girl the same day as meeting is incredible. Sounds like a helluva system you have perfected that others on this board will hopefully be able to emulate.
Hat's off to you![/QUOTE]Attention whoring, asshole. I consider sarcasm an art form that determines your station in life. You got a ways to go, ajajaja. I'm too lazy to look this up but is Sjobs the guy with a Pinky girlfriend? Little help appreciated and you sound like you would know.
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I will double down
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2513714]Very impressive, and too think that a guy not much better looking than a Neanderthal, and not even close to being fluent in Spanish, will have a 50/50 chance of bedding a gorgeous girl the same day as meeting is incredible. Sounds like a helluva system you have perfected that others on this board will hopefully be able to emulate.
Hat's off to you![/QUOTE]If the girl engages and agrees to meet you later for drinks or dinner, then 50% bedding success is conservative. Probably higher. Imagine going up to a random chic in the USA, the same behavior would get you 1:1000 success, at best, emphasis on the word YOU, not me jajajaja. You just got your first master lesson in sarcasm or I should say "schooled" jajaja. If a girl ignores me or blows me off I instantly start thinking about the next girl. To me, when I hear guys bemoan their lack of success with picking up regular girls, I usually see a fear of failure that is out of proportion to what is at stake. And they get paralyzed by it. Medellin is a smorgasboard of girls.
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Pandorum!
[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2516412]I think you are correct. In another post, he stated "The dude didn't even do coke until the girl arrived." How would he know that from a conversation with a complete stranger?[/QUOTE]I agree! He certainly knows many vivid details based on a supposed third party story. He even knows that "the guy" fucked the hell out of the girl like a stallion. LOL! He also fucked the girl multiple times on at least two different occasions before allegedly becoming concerned about her age.
Effects of cocaine:
Grandiosity; inflated self-esteem.
Feelings of restlessness.
Irritability and anxiety.
Panic.
Paranoia.
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Thou doth protest too much!
[QUOTE=Njoean197;2516407]Haha lets play this game!
Ok explain how my attempts are "feeble"? - You won't be able to LOL.
Explain the "holes" in the story. I am very curious if your reply will resemble anything close to a reasonable response to this post. I suspect you will just resort to shallow insults with no substance to back up your claims.
Lets see if I am right.[/QUOTE]The hyper-defensiveness certainly make sit seem like its BS.
The people across the street watching and cheering--seems like utter nonsense.
Giving someone a computer worth like 2 k because you couldn't pay her. And the chica coming bac for less money than the computer is worth. Seems ridiculous.
Honestly, pretty much everything in this story seems off.
Others have already pointed out flaws-and I don't come here to try and convince anyone of their truth. My observations-which I am allowed to have-have created the opinion that this story is BS. I have been to MDE 15 times in the last 5 years. I have hung out with mongers, I have hung out solo. I have hooked up with many chicas and have chica friends. Based on everything in my experience and reading and participating on this board for years--this entire story just seems like some fantasy nonsense not rooted in much truth at all.
Believe it if you need it. React as you wish.
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LOL!
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This ***** can't even reply.
[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2516341]I don't believe a word of this story or the feeble attempts to try to explain it. So many holes. So many things that don't add up.[/QUOTE]Like if your going to call someone out on some BS, at least have the balls to reply. He won't because he knows he is a pretender troll. I will eviscerate and expose him if he does reply and he knows this. Hide in the shadows little girl.
One thing you will never catch me do. I will never just randomly attack a board member over his trip report and accuse him of lying for no reason. Wasting time fighting when the reason we should be posting is to exchange our experiences, lean from mistakes, and increase the enjoyment of our trips from pooled knowledge. But you get people like Incignito who are jealous slimy creeps who need to hate just to feel something. What a pussy. Please *****, please reply back so I can expose you. I want to rid this forum of the fucking losers who just want to attack people for no reason.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2516418]I agree! He certainly knows many vivid details based on a supposed third party story. He even knows that "the guy" fucked the hell out of the girl like a stallion. LOL! He also fucked the girl multiple times on at least two different occasions before allegedly becoming concerned about her age.
Effects of cocaine:
Grandiosity; inflated self-esteem.
Feelings of restlessness.
Irritability and anxiety.
Panic.
Paranoia.[/QUOTE]Haha what's your point?
I called you out several times. You condone fucking underage girls, but you condemn the personal consumption of cocaine. You don't make too much sense man. I seen guys like you around Parque Lleras. Wearing your black fruit of the loom T-Shirt, cheap Brett Farve wrangler jeans, and gay leather choker pedant around your neck with a pathetic hairline. Every time someone looks in your direction, you cower and look at your feet as your circle Pargue Lleras and hope to find a desperate starving venezuelan to prey on the for the night. I ve seen guys like you harass the girls with the sad desperate looks on their faces knowing they have to sleep with fat ugly hairy limp dick disgusting slobs just to put a meal in their mouths. Guys like you make me sick. The day a woman no longer enjoys my company I leave her alone. I will never allow myself to become a disgraceful predator like you choca-monger. Just so you know, people take one look at you and they know exactly what a fucking loser you are.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2516451]Seems like a really sane, rational and honest guy. I already replied to his story with a few of my reasons but, you are so reactive and hyper sensitive in your hissy fit that you haven't given it time to be posted. But it will be, along with this message. In the mean time: all you are doing is making yourself look silly.
Why do you get your panties so bunched up over some guy you don't know not believing your accounts of a story that come from another person you don't know?
That's perplexing to normal people.
I don't believe your ridiculous tory. So what. Others can believe you--though I imagine few really do. LOL.
And it wasn't your report. It was your 2nd hand relay of a report a random guy you met that you don't know supposedly told you. As if anyone should believe that's going to be the epitome of accuracy. LOL. Thanks for the laughs though. Your melt made me chuckle.
And by the way--you're the one wasting time fighting. You didn't need to reply to me. There is no reason to care what others think about the fable you are claiming someone told you. All I did was express my truth: I call BS. The whole story is so nonsensical it doesn't seem like it could be real. I apologize if you are too immature to handle the truth. Or as Jack famously said, 'you can't handle the truth!
I am a little curious why someone is so attached to the veracity of a story that they admit wasn't even their story to tell?
This is why hear-say isn't allowed in a court. Most hear-say is inaccurate BS.
I encourage you to go to a spa or a massage. Maybe smoke a bowl or take a valium. You post like someone spending too much time alone who is overthinking stuff while embellishing your stories (or someone else's supposed experience).
Just being hyper aggressive and hostile-doesn't make our stories seem any more real or true. In fact, its the opposite. Your ridiculous over reactions and hysterics and aggression only further diminish your already minimized credibility (at least with me. Which really shouldn't mean much to anyone but me).
Thou doth protest too much!
Anyone else ever give their laptop to a prostitute as collateral for not being able to pay for a BJ? Anyone believe this would actually happen, in part because a party of people across the street from your lodging were cheering the girl when she got out of the taxi? Or were cheering for the cocaine purchase? I mean come on. Why are we spending any time on this nonsense?
I'm done with it.
Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare.
Meanwhile, I have had 2 girls message me in the last couple of days lamenting about how tough times are for them these days and asking me about when I am coming back. So, I guess business is down in MDE-these girls don't care about me. They care about whatever ben franklin gets converted to.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, look the story is true. I don't post bullshit. At this point if you don't believe, then don't believe. There is absolutely nothing in this story that is very far-fetched. Take into account the circumstances of the quarantine. Then think about how detailed this story was. Like why would anyone go to such great lengths to fabricate this story and reply over and over again to explain its authenticity. It just doesn't make sense why someone would make that up.
What does make sense? I will tell you. I have been following this forum for years and everytime someone posts a story where they had a good time or its slightly interesting, you get some old fucking loser trolls who have to start hating. Its fucking annoying bro. So I am spitting the venom back at you. Poke the bull get the horns *****. You sound like a fucking loser who preys on young girls.
You are right about one thing, I shouldn't be wasting my time caring if someone believes me or not. The fucking troll losers on this forum who hate for no reason are just too fucking annoying sometimes.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2516453]I will never admit is a far cry away from I would never actually sleep with or touch an underage girl.
This seems like you do hook up with underage women but you just won't admit to it online.
I would never have anything to admit to with an underage girl. Maybe that's a difference between you and I?
And I would not take as gospel the ridiculous stories of people I don't know, then share them, then get all butt hurt when nobody believes them.
YMMV.
Good Luck.
Love and light brother![/QUOTE]Go back and read my original post. I clearly state the only reason I was posting that was to warn people to make sure they check cedulas. I was honestly just trying to look out for fellow members and make them aware of the dangers in Medellin. I am sorry for sharing an experience which was meant to try and inform members to make their trips safer. I don't know what else to say.
If a man offered me advice in real life, I am not going to spit in his face, even if his story seems like a lie. And again, I don't understand why is so hard to believe about the story. Chicas will be upset if you make them leave without paying. Colombians party at houses during quarantine. Chicas will show up on you without cedulas. Like, what is so hard to believe about any of that. You just seem like a miserable loser.
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[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2516453]I will never admit is a far cry away from I would never actually sleep with or touch an underage girl.
This seems like you do hook up with underage women but you just won't admit to it online.
I would never have anything to admit to with an underage girl. Maybe that's a difference between you and I?
And I would not take as gospel the ridiculous stories of people I don't know, then share them, then get all butt hurt when nobody believes them.
YMMV.
Good Luck.
Love and light brother![/QUOTE]Your stupidity is giving me a headache. I will try to explain this again. The man in the story slept with the girl thinking she was of age. After he slept with her, he discovered she had a fake cedula and suspected her to be underage which she never admitted too.
People came to the obvious conclusion that the story was actually not a story I was told, but actually happened to me.
I am telling you, it was a story I was told, BUT I would also never admit to possibly sleeping with an underage girl by accident, even in an online forum.
Can you add 2+2=4 in this situation. I can't make it any more clear for you.
And to be even more clear, I would never try and sleep with an underage girl, that shit is sick. I don't even like the 18-19 year olds as they act like uneducated teenage children, which they basically are.
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[QUOTE=Ewe52;2516424]Knew it was you after you first posted. If that underage girl couldn't of been traced back to you, you'd blasting her info all over this board to stay away from. Lesson of the day boys stay away from sketchy girls with fake IDs and stop shoveling coke up your nose.[/QUOTE]A fair warning haha. Yes the whole reason I posted LOL.
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This is just a personal attack all around. I can't believe the admins allowed this trash. Even in the stupid shit part of the forum.
[QUOTE=Njoean197;2516498]Haha what's your point?
I called you out several times. You condone fucking underage girls, but you condemn the personal consumption of cocaine. You don't make too much sense man. I seen guys like you around Parque Lleras. Wearing your black fruit of the loom T-Shirt, cheap Brett Farve wrangler jeans, and gay leather choker pedant around your neck with a pathetic hairline. Every time someone looks in your direction, you cower and look at your feet as your circle Pargue Lleras and hope to find a desperate starving venezuelan to prey on the for the night. I ve seen guys like you harass the girls with the sad desperate looks on their faces knowing they have to sleep with fat ugly hairy limp dick disgusting slobs just to put a meal in their mouths. Guys like you make me sick. The day a woman no longer enjoys my company I leave her alone. I will never allow myself to become a disgraceful predator like you choca-monger. Just so you know, people take one look at you and they know exactly what a fucking loser you are.[/QUOTE]
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All childish stuff
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2520620]While mongering is a hobby and a luxury to most, to many on this forum it seems like a profession.
To those that can consider this a hobby then you should spend whatever you feel comfortable with whether 300 usd or 300 cop. As long as you feel it was worth your while at the end why should what others think even matter.
If you're use to a certain type of life in the US, living in the suburbs with a nice house, car, etc, why would you want to go to places Centro or Sante Fe in Bogota?
I've been to both and it's extremely congested and the short stay hotels are absolutely disgusting.
I'm sorry but this is the truth.
Believe it or not it's the budget mongers who are more likely targeted for being drugged or robbed because they practice their hobby in seedy areas..[/QUOTE]So many silly points I won't even bother, but need to ask, when is the last time you heard of a tourist being killed in Plaza Botero?
What about the tourist (probably a monger) just killed in Parque Lleras for his cell fone?
If I'm going to rob a tourist I will hunt the tourist areas, try common sense sometime.
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Well
[QUOTE=Knowledge;2520604]I can't say I know of any experienced guys who hang out there and similar places.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing there are a few, I will posit 2 reasons.
A) they feel they can't compete with any other men for 3rd world putas so they choose to go to the most overpriced venue, knowing even the elephant man won't get rejected there.
Sure they pay more but they will just justify it here by saying its because they are used to living in the suburbs LOL (BTW in Chicago and many cities the suburbs are cheaper than living in the city).
B) they get hit with the ugly and / or stoopid / weak surcharge by the putas.
So there are 2 dynamics at work.
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Therein lies your conundrum
[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2523633]Like I said it's all situational. You're not getting the girl for no 150 mil if she has 3 dates lined up for 600 mil. Yea maybe eventually you will see her at your price when she doesn't have anyone lined up.
This is the situation I'm encountering rn.
I never said I'm the one buy them shit. But I can see their sm stories.
And I speak to them.
So you want to tell me she going to come to you on your time if she has 3 dates for quadruple what you're offering? Ok!!
And yes there are levels of girls.
The same way Beyonc is a on a different level than Wendy Williams. There are levels.
But let me guess under the make up they're all the same??[/QUOTE]If you think there's a sliver of difference between Beyonce vs ww jajajaajaaaaaa gutter level and sewer level LOL.
They're both nasty as hell, I'm I would go gay 1st jajajajaaaaaaaaaa.
Hey why don't you throw Oprah in the mix whilst you're at it.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2523681]If you think there's a sliver of difference between Beyonce vs ww jajajaajaaaaaa gutter level and sewer level LOL.
They're both nasty as hell, I'm I would go gay 1st jajajajaaaaaaaaaa.
Hey why don't you throw Oprah in the mix whilst you're at it.[/QUOTE]Dude you're just a fuckin troll with absolutely nothing useful to contribute to this forum except your hatred of women. Seriously get a life!!
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2523682]Dude you're just a fuckin troll with absolutely nothing useful to contribute to this forum except your hatred of women.[/QUOTE]He posts a lot for someone who has never been to Colombia. I hate the women bashing. Move on from whatever your ex-GF or ex-wife did to you and move on.
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Jajajaaaaaa that's precious
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2523934]He posts a lot for someone who has never been to Colombia. I hate the women bashing. Move on from whatever your ex-GF or ex-wife did to you and move on.[/QUOTE]Coming from a whackjob like you, let us guess, you're one of those mongers that would be honored to marry a 3rd world puta.
And yes I've deduced this after seeing you exclaim that "pinay putas walk on water" jajajajaa.
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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525291]Well, things did not go as planned which is why I try to avoid making plans whenever possible. I am not sure if Cat Girl is ghosting me but she is acting like she doesn't want to see me. I guesstimate 50% she wants to take the money I have recently deposited in her bank account and cut and run; 50% she is scared at the prospect of hooking up with a monger, getting used up, and abandoned. If anyone in the world would justifiably have abandonment issues, it is my beloved Cat Girl. I would never do that to her.
Anywho, I am not tempted to write a diatribe. Haters always want to point to the money trail. The cash I have put into this relationship so far is not a drop of water in the bucket, it's water vapor. Once I hit "send" on the Western Union Web site, I don't notice it's gone. If it were not for Cat Girl, I probably never would have discovered Medellin and my eyes would never have been opened like this. My ROI is beyond calculation.
If want to know what it feels like to have Cat Girl moving in, pretend her name is Lorelei and listen to that song by Styx.
My mongering has been steady since arriving in Medellin 15 days ago. A lot of that was a "last hurrah" in anticipation of moving in with Cat Girl. BUT as my life generally goes, I fall into pig shit and come out smelling like a rose. What is the fucking downside if Cat Girl ghosts me? I'm in Medellin. If I am going to get stuck somewhere, let it be Medellin. There are girls in my line up who will be thrilled if Cat Girl is out of the picture, and they will want to show it. My options look great to me. But, I want Cat Girl. I really DO love her..[/QUOTE]No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I shouldn't laugh at your misfortune, but I will. Here's why:
You've put a lot of time into telling everyone about your ranking system and how everyone knows their place. The perfect "I'm the man and I make the rules" setup. From your early reports it appeared you had been a regular visitor to Medellin for at least a few years, if not longer. However, you recently said this is your second time. Then again, this post appears to imply this is your first visit and definitely sets your first visit as within the last year. Now, instead of your girls all being collected and ranked over many months and multiple sessions, it appears this was mostly setup online. It appears. Maybe there's another explanation.
As far as sending money to the girls and earning "pussy credit", I won't criticize anyone for that. I will just mention that Colombians seem to have a difficult time understanding the "I'll pay you now, you'll pay me later" concept. In most cases, if they do come through, afterwards you get to hear how badly they need some money, at least that's been my experience.
Falling in love with a girl you've met once for one day isn't love. It's an erection. If you leave it alone it will go away. Jerk it around enough and it will go away. The second method just leaves a mess.
To steal one of your lines, when someone starts talking about being in love with a hooker, my first instinct is to slap them. If you're sending money to girls so they will fuck you when you arrive, they're hookers. Deciphering your posts, I'm guessing that you prepaid significantly above the going rate. Again, I have no complaints about that, but you need to accept the reality that it's just a different payment plan for prostitution.
Now the problem becomes, one hooker that you prepaid doesn't want to come through for you. Solution is simple. You write it off as a learning experience and fuck other hookers. You don't negotiate or beg or talk about being in love.
I can go through my Facebook and find 20 women who have a catgirl costume. I can find 300 who would love to put one on if I'll buy it. I've got at least 3 girls on Facebook who sell and deliver costumes, lingerie and sex toys. Replacing one girl in Medellin is much easier than trying to find a decent pizza and you already found that.
You're also likely to discover, if you just leave her alone and go on with enjoying yourself, she'll change her tune, because she doesn't want to miss out on future deposits.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525558]No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I shouldn't laugh at your misfortune, but I will. Here's why:
You've put a lot of time into telling everyone about your ranking system and how everyone knows their place. The perfect "I'm the man and I make the rules" setup. From your early reports it appeared you had been a regular visitor to Medellin for at least a few years, if not longer. However, you recently said this is your second time. Then again, this post appears to imply this is your first visit and definitely sets your first visit as within the last year. Now, instead of your girls all being collected and ranked over many months and multiple sessions, it appears this was mostly setup online. It appears. Maybe there's another explanation.
As far as sending money to the girls and earning "pussy credit", I won't criticize anyone for that. I will just mention that Colombians seem to have a difficult time understanding the "I'll pay you now, you'll pay me later" concept. In most cases, if they do come through, afterwards you get to hear how badly they need some money, at least that's been my experience.
Falling in love with a girl you've met once for one day isn't love. It's an erection. If you leave it alone it will go away. Jerk it around enough and it will go away. The second method just leaves a mess.
To steal one of your lines, when someone starts talking about being in love with a hooker, my first instinct is to slap them. If you're sending money to girls so they will fuck you when you arrive, they're hookers. Deciphering your posts, I'm guessing that you prepaid significantly above the going rate. Again, I have no complaints about that, but you need to accept the reality that it's just a different payment plan for prostitution.
Now the problem becomes, one hooker that you prepaid doesn't want to come through for you. Solution is simple. You write it off as a learning experience and fuck other hookers. You don't negotiate or beg or talk about being in love.
I can go through my Facebook and find 20 women who have a catgirl costume. I can find 300 who would love to put one on if I'll buy it. I've got at least 3 girls on Facebook who sell and deliver costumes, lingerie and sex toys. Replacing one girl in Medellin is much easier than trying to find a decent pizza and you already found that.
You're also likely to discover, if you just leave her alone and go on with enjoying yourself, she'll change her tune, because she doesn't want to miss out on future deposits.[/QUOTE]JjBee, A splendid assessment of this boastful and capricious poster.
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Get It Right
[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2525637]JjBee, A splendid assessment of this boastful and capricious poster.[/QUOTE]Sarcastic, attention whoring, asshole, I am.
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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525634]Obviously You Haven't Read All My Posts. Don't expect you to pay close attention as some have, but the answers are all there. I have said at least twice I avoid planning whenever possible. And I admitted to being guilty of over planning in this instance. I didn't ghost her, I did as you suggested and came to town without telling her. Then when I told her I was here, she stood me up, twice. She's not even in Medellin. I have known her for almost two years, and spent about six months with her on my first trip here in 2019. I met her in a non -pro setting like I have talked about many times, by walking up to who I thought was a regular girl and try to make a connection. When I left here the first time it was supposed to be for three weeks, COVID hit, ten months later I am back. Before I left we were planning on living together. I never thought Cat Girl was a hooker, can't prove she wasn't.
I get that a lot, that I seem to have been here longer. This is my second trip. I met a mongerer who had been to Medellin at least ten times and divorced his wife so he could keep coming. He took me under his wing the first week I was here. After four weeks he told me there was nothing more he could teach me. Also, as I have said before, I have mongered on 6 continents, and gotten laid on all seven, which has to confer some experience. I maxed out my visa and extension first trip so I must've been here six months, right? I have time dyslexia. The system works. Girls 1-3 still fuck for "free" and I defined free before. With Cat Girl out of the picture, some of the other girls are vying for Numero Uno. I've also wrote about at least 3 girls to whom I gave money during the COVID crisis, who avoided me this trip, and I have listed a Disclaimer at least twice that I don't recommend anyone prepay. But my dollar cost averaging overall is below what the going rate is per girl..[/QUOTE]Everyone who regularly posts here is an attention working girl. Nobody posts and then thinks "I hope nobody reads that. " There are quite a few sarcastic assholes as well (raising hand).
Most of the stuff in your post doesn't matter. Mongered on 6 continents and got laid on the 7th? Doesn't matter. A long time monger said he couldn't teach you anything more? Doesn't matter? You spent less than the going rate? Doesn't matter? You maxed out your tourist visa your first trip? Again, it doesn't matter.
None of that matters for 2 reasons. The first is that most of it can't be verified. The more important reason is that it's irrelevant. You're in Colombia now. How great you are, how much experience you have doesn't matter. You could have spent most of the past 10 years in Medellin, but if you have a taxi drop you off in Manrique at 1 am nobody you meet is going to care. And the number of different countries you've mongered in, won't be one of the questions asked. It's like the scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark. " The big guy comes out, spins his swords around showing off his skill, so Harrison Ford shoots him.
What matters is what you do, not what you've done, or what other people say about it.
How you report on it also matters. Is it useful or just entertaining? Does it contain bad information? Is it misleading? As an example there are some nice hotels in Poblado which will allow you to bring in guests. However, they charge a hefty fee for each girl. If someone reports the hotel as chica friendly without mentioning the extra charges, then it's misleading and could end up costing someone a lot of money.
Most of your reports have been entertaining, but quite a bit is misleading, or contradictory. For example, earlier you said that you fell in love with cat girl when you met her more than a year ago and she thought you would act like a kid in a candy store when you came to Colombia, you also seemed to say that's what you did on this trip. Now you're saying you met her 2 years ago and apparently you met her in Colombia. That certainly seems like a contradiction.
There are other things. One of your first posts you talked about showing a guy around on his first trip to Medellin, but that was also your first visit to Medellin. Not saying you couldn't show someone around on your first trip, but the way it's stated leads the reader to believe it wasn't your first visit. Just for the record, I was showing people around on my first trip, which lasted 2 weeks short of 1 year. All well documented on this forum.
In another of your early posts you said you spend 90% of your time in Medellin, but you've mongered on 6 continents and only had one, 6 month visit to Medellin, where a monger with 10 trips took you under his wing. Why would it take 4 weeks to teach you all he could if you have mongered on 6 continents and how could 1 visit, albeit of 6 months, equate to where you spend 90% of your time?
Reading further I see you left Medellin just before the quarantine, which puts your arrival date about 14 months ago, rather than 2 years. That seems to confirm the more than a year ago, but wipes out the 2 years ago. Need I go on?
I don't have the time or energy to reread every post, but it does appear your posts have attempted to establish a level of experience which doesn't appear to exist.
It needs restating that none of that matters. It only affects how others perceive you. Someone might read some of your posts and believe you've been living mostly in Medellin for years. Someone else might think you're just a blowhard. Neither view is the correct one.
You don't need to worry about impressing anyone here. Most of the guys here wouldn't be impressed if you were riding a unicycle on a high wire, while juggling chainsaws and farting the Colombian national anthem. Most of the rest get excited every time they see titties.
Stick with what you know. Your intel on the Ayenda hotels is gold. Restaurant information is always useful. Problems you encounter, security issues, new local restrictions, even rumors are things that are going to be well received. Certainly everyone enjoys the descriptions and the photos.
Now go ahead and get back to the good stuff.
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There Is A Big Difference Between Lust And Love
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525558]No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I shouldn't laugh at your misfortune, but I will. Here's why:
You've put a lot of time into telling everyone about your ranking system and how everyone knows their place. The perfect "I'm the man and I make the rules" setup. From your early reports it appeared you had been a regular visitor to Medellin for at least a few years, if not longer. However, you recently said this is your second time. Then again, this post appears to imply this is your first visit and definitely sets your first visit as within the last year. Now, instead of your girls all being collected and ranked over many months and multiple sessions, it appears this was mostly setup online. It appears. Maybe there's another explanation.
As far as sending money to the girls and earning "pussy credit", I won't criticize anyone for that. I will just mention that Colombians seem to have a difficult time understanding the "I'll pay you now, you'll pay me later" concept. In most cases, if they do come through, afterwards you get to hear how badly they need some money, at least that's been my experience.
Falling in love with a girl you've met once for one day isn't love. It's an erection. If you leave it alone it will go away. Jerk it around enough and it will go away. The second method just leaves a mess.
To steal one of your lines, when someone starts talking about being in love with a hooker, my first instinct is to slap them. If you're sending money to girls so they will fuck you when you arrive, they're hookers. Deciphering your posts, I'm guessing that you prepaid significantly above the going rate. Again, I have no complaints about that, but you need to accept the reality that it's just a different payment plan for prostitution.
Now the problem becomes, one hooker that you prepaid doesn't want to come through for you. Solution is simple. You write it off as a learning experience and fuck other hookers. You don't negotiate or beg or talk about being in love.
I can go through my Facebook and find 20 women who have a catgirl costume. I can find 300 who would love to put one on if I'll buy it. I've got at least 3 girls on Facebook who sell and deliver costumes, lingerie and sex toys. Replacing one girl in Medellin is much easier than trying to find a decent pizza and you already found that.
You're also likely to discover, if you just leave her alone and go on with enjoying yourself, she'll change her tune, because she doesn't want to miss out on future deposits.[/QUOTE]For the most part I consider your posts reasonable and you have not made my Ignore List as have half the frequent fliers here, but I am afraid you got owned by reading comprehension. Happens. I guess you can tell by now Cat Girl is not or was not a hooker, that I can tell, and this is not my first rodeo. I have fucked every shape, size, ethnicity, hooker you can think of and way more regular girls, and never fell in love on first fuck. I have been a proponent of "regular girls" since Day One here, especially if you have some time to spend in a locale, as in my goal to permanently relocate here.
Along those same lines, I never said I fell in love with Cat Girl after our initial meeting, I said I fell in LUST with her after one meeting. Big difference. I grew to love her but that took a long time, over a year.
Can we level set? You wrote I fell in love with a hooker after meeting her one time. Fact Check: I grew to love a regular girl after more than a year. Thank you. Regular does not mean she's normal, that is a separate issue, jaja.
Your comments about my Ranking List being formed on-line did make me stop and think. The opposite it true. I didn't plan it. Contrary to perception that somehow I should be nominated for President of the OverPlanner (POP) Club, I try to live one day at a time, better still, stay in the moment. I posted twice about my failures due to planning. Especially when it comes to mongering, Don't plan, be flexible, go with the flow. Without a doubt, the sexiest, craziest, most erotic, freakiest things that have ever happened to me in my life were spontaneous. I suppose you could make the argument since I posted about my planning failures, that I still had much to learn. I will accept that criticism.
If I am so motivated and I think it adds value, I will post later about The List. It's complicated but it morphed out of the ether on it's own with a little nurging by me. All I did was assign numbers (rankings) after the group was formed, making sure Cat Girl was at the top and that she and everyone else on the list knew it. Having a steady group of 10-20 hot chicas that I enjoy repeatedly fucking is not a problem in my book. Ostee Out.
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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525768]I never said I fell in love with Cat Girl after our initial meeting, I said I fell in LUST with her after one meeting. Big difference. I grew to love her but that took a long time, over a year.[/QUOTE]The big difference is that we choose who we love. We do not choose who we lust. Whatever it is inside you that makes you like a chick with a big ass, dark skin, green eyes, or whatever else makes you attracted to a person does the choosing who to lust for you.
How many times have you done something to tick a chick off and she says she does not love you anymore? Well that was a choice she made, the same as the one she made to love you in the first place. And even if she did not love you anymore she would still fuck your brains out? That is because she still has the lust for you that she did not choose.
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There is a big difference between lust and love
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525768]For the most part I consider your posts reasonable and you have not made my Ignore List as have half the frequent fliers here, but I am afraid you got owned by reading comprehension. Happens. I guess you can tell by now Cat Girl is not or was not a hooker, that I can tell, and this is not my first rodeo. I have fucked every shape, size, ethnicity, hooker you can think of and way more regular girls, and never fell in love on first fuck. I have been a proponent of "regular girls" since Day One here, especially if you have some time to spend in a locale, as in my goal to permanently relocate here.
Along those same lines, I never said I fell in love with Cat Girl after our initial meeting, I said I fell in LUST with her after one meeting. Big difference. I grew to love her but that took a long time, over a year.
Can we level set? You wrote I fell in love with a hooker after meeting her one time. Fact Check: I grew to love a regular girl after more than a year. Thank you. Regular does not mean she's normal, that is a separate issue, jaja.
Your comments about my Ranking List being formed on-line did make me stop and think. The opposite it true. I didn't plan it. Contrary to perception that somehow I should be nominated for President of the OverPlanner (POP) Club, I try to live one day at a time, better still, stay in the moment. I posted twice about my failures due to planning. Especially when it comes to mongering, Don't plan, be flexible, go with the flow. Without a doubt, the sexiest, craziest, most erotic, freakiest things that have ever happened to me in my life were spontaneous. I suppose you could make the argument since I posted about my planning failures, that I still had much to learn. I will accept that criticism.[/QUOTE]Spelling for one.
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525291]I fell in love with Cat Girl before I ever set foot in Medellin when I met her for one day over a year ago. She told me from the beginning that her biggest fear was once I came here, I would become the proverbial "kid in a candy store. " I guess I did, at that. And I think she takes it harder than I realized.[/QUOTE]I hope you understand my confusion. When someone says "I fell in love with Cat Girl before I ever set foot in Medellin when I met her for one day over a year ago", I tend to jump to the admittedly rash conclusion that they met a girl for one day, over a year ago and fell in love with her on that day. I don't go through the mental gymnastics to decide he meant he met the girl 2 years ago and just lusted after her. I'd completely forgotten about your ability to twist time so that 14 or 15 months ago can become 2 years.
Another one of my failures, and I have many, is that I can't tell anything at all about Cat Girl. I've never met her. I can tell that you have said she isn't a working girl. I take that with several grains of salt. Once had a guy tell me he trusted his wife completely. She was completely devoted to him. 2 hours later, after he passed out, she crawled into my bed.
Perhaps "working girl" is the wrong term. Is Western Union novia better? Sugar Baby? Panocha profesional? Compańera de dinero? It appears, from your posts you supported her for about 3 months early last year, then supported her all the rest of last year, and spent much less than the going rate. Considering it appears to be 9-10 months since you've collected any pussy credit and she's apparently used your money to take a friend (and possibly a couple of guys) to Cartagena, either the going rate for a girl to not see you and not fuck you is a lot higher than the rest of us pay. My standard payment for that service is 0 COP, which is 0 USD. Sometimes I'll throw in an extra 0 as a tip. You know for exceptional lack of service.
Which reminds me of 2 Facebook girls, who just recently arrived in Cartagena. One of those Facebook girls, just before the quarantine announced a new fiancee. If I remember correctly, she had even applied for her Fiancee visa and got it approved, but then the big shutdown.
It was fun to watch. At first she was all excited about her new love. Then there was a falling out. Then things got resolved and she was all unicorns and rainbows again. Then another falling out and she started showing pictures letting everyone know she was back in the game. Then, not long ago she flew to Cartagena with her friend.
Now I have to go back and examine your Cat Girl pics. Surely it can't be the same girl.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525683]Everyone who regularly posts here is an attention working girl. Nobody posts and then thinks "I hope nobody reads that. " There are quite a few sarcastic assholes as well (raising hand).
Most of the stuff in your post doesn't matter. Mongered on 6 continents and got laid on the 7th? Doesn't matter. A long time monger said he couldn't teach you anything more? Doesn't matter? You spent less than the going rate? Doesn't matter? You maxed out your tourist visa your first trip? Again, it doesn't matter.
None of that matters for 2 reasons. The first is that most of it can't be verified. The more important reason is that it's irrelevant. You're in Colombia now. How great you are, how much experience you have doesn't matter. You could have spent most of the past 10 years in Medellin, but if you have a taxi drop you off in Manrique at 1 am nobody you meet is going to care. And the number of different countries you've mongered in, won't be one of the questions asked. It's like the scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark. " The big guy comes out, spins his swords around showing off his skill, so Harrison Ford shoots him...[/QUOTE]Disagree with 90% of what you wrote but time to exit this morass. I am real. I am not perfect. I really do have a time dyslexia. It's the equivalent to a math dyslexia but involves time sequence. Imagine how much I care about what other people think, divide by Google, take the square root, you're getting closer. As soon as you wrote if it's not verifiable it's not worth writing, I checked out. Later.
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But Are We Not Men, Or Lab Rats?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2525806]The big difference is that we choose who we love. We do not choose who we lust. Whatever it is inside you that makes you like a chick with a big ass, dark skin, green eyes, or whatever else makes you attracted to a person does the choosing who to lust for you.
How many times have you done something to tick a chick off and she says she does not love you anymore? Well that was a choice she made, the same as the one she made to love you in the first place. And even if she did not love you anymore she would still fuck your brains out? That is because she still has the lust for you that she did not choose.[/QUOTE]The ancient aphorism is do you think your big head or little head? Interesting comments.
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She Is The Girl With A Thousand Looks, Or Was, I Loved That About Her
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525868]Spelling for one.
I hope you understand my confusion. When someone says "I fell in love with Cat Girl before I ever set foot in Medellin when I met her for one day over a year ago", I tend to jump to the admittedly rash conclusion that they met a girl for one day, over a year ago and fell in love with her on that day. I don't go through the mental gymnastics to decide he meant he met the girl 2 years ago and just lusted after her. I'd completely forgotten about your ability to twist time so that 14 or 15 months ago can become 2 years.
Another one of my failures, and I have many, is that I can't tell anything at all about Cat Girl. I've never met her. I can tell that you have said she isn't a working girl. I take that with several grains of salt. Once had a guy tell me he trusted his wife completely. She was completely devoted to him. 2 hours later, after he passed out, she crawled into my bed.
Perhaps "working girl" is the wrong term. Is Western Union novia better? Sugar Baby? Panocha profesional? Compaera de dinero? It appears, from your posts you supported her for about 3 months early last year, then supported her all the rest of last year, and spent much less than the going rate. Considering it appears to be 9-10 months since you've collected any pussy credit and she's apparently used your money to take a friend (and possibly a couple of guys) to Cartagena, either the going rate for a girl to not see you and not fuck you is a lot higher than the rest of us pay. My standard payment for that service is 0 COP, which is 0 USD. Sometimes I'll throw in an extra 0 as a tip. You know for exceptional lack of service..[/QUOTE]As I have said before, I write on the fly with little or no revision, which is heresy for a professional writer, but the delays innate in this board are already too long. Also, I have noticed that whatever automatic editing software they use here creates errors at times. Also, very weak on your part, my spelling is way above average, but like I said, fuck spelling here.
There is one point worth clarifying. When I talk about my dollar cost averaging, Cat Girl does not enter the equation. She would put me way over the top, but I was treating her as I would any female partner. I really do have time dyslexia. I have no idea what the Internet says about it, a neruologist diagnosed me it might be secondary to my other brain injuries, no excuses. It's just like math dyslexia except in only effects numbers when used in dates and times. I can figure shit out chronologically but it takes too much time and effort and verification. Once something is more than a couple of weeks olds in my brain, it gets filed in one big jumble.
You should be some kind of forensic photo verbiage pathologist. You seem to enjoy it and have the knack for it. If I wrote that I loved her at first glance, then I wrote love, but somewhere I wrote lust, jajaja. I met her and her mom for less than 24 hours about a year before I set foot in Medellin in another city I won't name. We corresponded during that time and decided it was worthwhile to meet, no one was in love at that point. I came to Medellin solely to meet her. Gets complicated, shortly after arrival, we had a fight that I thought was the end of the relationship. No problem, I adapted to my surroundings and started mongering. Then she came back to me after I don't remember how long, weeks, I dunno. That's how the list got formed. I told her I would not quit what I had started but would make her Number One. From there, everyone got numbers.
Today, Soft Swirl was genuinely happy and pleased and wanted to show it after getting promoted to Number 3 from Number 4. I haven't told the old Number 3 yet, Sexy Dexy, because all she does lately is ask me to take her to the dentist, jajaja. I told her she has to earn it first, no pussy credits, jajaja. People with an strong inuitive sense can detect truth by content, people on the judgmental side need to verify facts (Yes, this is Myers-Briggs shite) I am real, honest and a truth seeker, you will undoubtedly be able to pick apart things I have written on the fly, drugged, sleep deprived, and brain damaged, but take my word for it this one time, it will put you at a disadvantage. What you interpret as ego is simply my non prejudice for truth. Humility is bullshit. Anyone who acts humble has to believe they did something great to begin with. Golda Meir (before your time) said, "Don't be so humble, you're not that great. " Mohammed Ali said, "It ain't bragging if it's true. " I don't think I am better or worse than anyone. I don't think about it. Ostee Out.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2525819] Elvis, you need to relax, not everyone is against you. You mean China's vaccine too?[/QUOTE]LOL. Nounce, that 95% number was me directly quoting from the New York Times story. WTF are you talking about everyone being against me and China's vaccine?
Colombia does not have the vaccine, and the USA has two vaccines that are 95% effective. Why are you bringing up China's shit vaccine? Who cares about that?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525868]Once had a guy tell me he trusted his wife completely. She was completely devoted to him. 2 hours later, after he passed out, she crawled into my bed.[/QUOTE]Truer words have never been spoken.
This saying should have been written in the bible, "the only honest woman that I know is a prostitute".
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525935]As I have said before, I write on the fly with little or no revision, which is heresy for a professional writer, but the delays innate in this board are already too long. Also, I have noticed that whatever automatic editing software they use here creates errors at times. Also, very weak on your part, my spelling is way above average, but like I said, fuck spelling here.
There is one point worth clarifying. When I talk about my dollar cost averaging, Cat Girl does not enter the equation. She would put me way over the top, but I was treating her as I would any female partner. I really do have time dyslexia. I have no idea what the Internet says about it, a neruologist diagnosed me it might be secondary to my other brain injuries, no excuses. It's just like math dyslexia except in only effects numbers when used in dates and times. I can figure shit out chronologically but it takes too much time and effort and verification. Once something is more than a couple of weeks olds in my brain, it gets filed in one big jumble.
You should be some kind of forensic photo verbiage pathologist. You seem to enjoy it and have the knack for it. If I wrote that I loved her at first glance, then I wrote love, but somewhere I wrote lust, jajaja. I met her and her mom for less than 24 hours about a year before I set foot in Medellin in another city I won't name. We corresponded during that time and decided it was worthwhile to meet, no one was in love at that point. I came to Medellin solely to meet her. Gets complicated, shortly after arrival, we had a fight that I thought was the end of the relationship. No problem, I adapted to my surroundings and started mongering. Then she came back to me after I don't remember how long, weeks, I dunno. That's how the list got formed. I told her I would not quit what I had started but would make her Number One. From there, everyone got numbers..[/QUOTE]I believe the correct term is aphasia, or maybe not. My wife suffered it after her cancer surgery (2 masses, left frontal, right temporal). She would often use the wrong word, particularly when discussing time. It's a common occurrence of TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
Why would you think Golda Meir was before my time? And you said I failed to read for content. I grew up knowing that name.
When I say outside experience and things that can't be verified don't matter, it's a simple, basic and necessary truth. Here's an example:
A guy tells you "I fuck top models all over the world for free, everyday. " If he's sitting with you in New Life waiting for the lineup, his experience isn't helping you. Is he helping you to hook up with those models? Is he at least showing you proof ala the Paris Hilton videos?
It's a useless attempt to impress you, which doesn't benefit you in any way. The same is true with your "I've mongered on 6 continents and got laid on 7" comment. It's useless here. Mongering in Kiev or Macao or Budapest is not the same as mongering in Medellin. Now if you were pointing out the differences, that could be useful. Pointing out the place you feel comes closest to Medellin, that's helpful. But just saying it serves no purpose other than to provide unverifiable evidence of your status as a monger guru.
It's not necessary. It serves no purpose. It just distracts away from what you are doing and reporting. Stick with the details which are helpful or entertaining to the readers.
And Muhammed Ali made that statement after he had publicly beaten the world's best.
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2526072]Truer words have never been spoken.
This saying should have been written in the bible, "the only honest woman that I know is a prostitute".
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You sound like a man who has been rejected / badly hurt in the past. Of course many women are not unfaithful to their partners, and the same applies to men. And many women aren't after money from men as they have their own. This is especially common in developed countries.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2525868] I take that with several grains of salt. Once had a guy tell me he trusted his wife completely. She was completely devoted to him. 2 hours later, after he passed out, she crawled into my bed.[/QUOTE]Back to writing erotic fantasy I see. Where's the salt shaker?
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You have the right idea.
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2525904]Disagree with 90% of what you wrote but time to exit this morass. I am real. I am not perfect. I really do have a time dyslexia. It's the equivalent to a math dyslexia but involves time sequence. Imagine how much I care about what other people think, divide by Google, take the square root, you're getting closer. As soon as you wrote if it's not verifiable it's not worth writing, I checked out. Later.[/QUOTE]Enjoy your trip bro. A lot of people here would love to be in your shoes. Don't fall in love with hookers and don't send money if you are expecting anything in return for it. Such are very high risk endeavors. Those are the takeaways.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526198]Back to writing erotic fantasy I see. Where's the salt shaker?[/QUOTE]Let me guess. You've started sending PMs to Osteoknot telling him that nobody likes me and that I am a terrible person? What is this the 4th time? 5th? You are rather predictable.
Don't you ever get tired of constantly having to find a new person to tell the life story of Jim Morrison to?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526203]Enjoy your trip bro. A lot of people here would love to be in your shoes. Don't fall in love with hookers and don't send money if you are expecting anything in return for it. Such are very high risk endeavors. Those are the takeaways.[/QUOTE]Mongering is like peeling an onion. Never happens the same way, especially when two different people try it. I like where I am sitting and what's been going on in this hotel room since the moment I arrived, jeje, during a time that I think is fair to say is less than an ideal situation given the COVID shite.
I've got half the Frequent Fliers here Ignored not because they're bad or I think I am better, but it keeps me from wasting time engaging in useless circular debates with no conclusion. They won't miss me and I won't miss them. Ignore me, I don't care. I don't want to change. Change is painful, jajajajaa. 90.66294% of the posters here do not know how to engage in a useful debate for an exchange of ideas. This is not an Ivy League Extemporaneous Speech Competition, it's a bunch of old farts who didn't get enough pussy in High School trying to get those same girls now for as cheap as possible, jajjaja.
Say a brief chant to the Cosmic Blueberry Muffin who controls the universe, that Gacela recovers from COVID. Thanks. She is literally the sweetest girl I have ever met, and the ideal prototype for "Regular Girl. " but just a little too calm and boring for a girlfriend. Her juxtaposition at Number Two to the insanity that was Cat Girl at Number One was purrfekt. Now that Numero Uno is vacant, La Gacela is less attractive. The amazing thing is, she knows this and explained it to ME.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526195] Of course many women are not unfaithful to their partners, and the same applies to men.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Captain Obvious. Did you know 2 + 2 = 4? The difference is how society is trained to react. A man cheats and he is a scumbag. A woman does and she likely was being abused. Every time a man cheats the cheated upon woman is the victim. When a woman cheats, she is the victim as well.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526195] And many women aren't after money from men as they have their own. This is especially common in developed countries.[/QUOTE]1% of female millionaires have made that money on their own. 99% have gotten it through marriage, divorce, inheritance ETC. And the women who made it on their own always marry up. Show me a female millionaire who made it on her own and married some guy without money.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526195]You sound like a man who has been rejected / badly hurt in the past.[/QUOTE]LOL. And you have not been? What are you doing here? I did not think it possible you could get worse, but this may be the most arrogant thing you have ever said.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2526395]Thanks, Captain Obvious. Did you know 2 + 2 = 4? The difference is how society is trained to react. A man cheats and he is a scumbag. A woman does and she likely was being abused. Every time a man cheats the cheated upon woman is the victim. When a woman cheats, she is the victim as well.
1% of female millionaires have made that money on their own. 99% have gotten it through marriage, divorce, inheritance ETC. And the women who made it on their own always marry up. Show me a female millionaire who made it on her own and married some guy without money.
LOL. And you have not been? What are you doing here? I did not think it possible you could get worse, but this may be the most arrogant thing you have ever said.[/QUOTE]I believe Elvis has been designated the Oracle of ISG at least in MDE jajaja.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2526395]Thanks, Captain Obvious. Did you know 2 + 2 = 4? The difference is how society is trained to react. A man cheats and he is a scumbag. A woman does and she likely was being abused. Every time a man cheats the cheated upon woman is the victim. When a woman cheats, she is the victim as well.
1% of female millionaires have made that money on their own. 99% have gotten it through marriage, divorce, inheritance ETC. And the women who made it on their own always marry up. Show me a female millionaire who made it on her own and married some guy without money.
LOL. And you have not been? What are you doing here? I did not think it possible you could get worse, but this may be the most arrogant thing you have ever said.[/QUOTE]He's the monger that PMed me and said I need to be concerned with being kidnapped for ransom etc in MDE.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2526449]He's the monger that PMed me and said I need to be concerned with being kidnapped for ransom etc in MDE.[/QUOTE]To an arrogant mangina like Paulie when he asks a guy if he has been hurt by a woman, what he is really saying is the women hurt you and you deserved it because you are not as great as me.
To a regular person, Kamala Harris fucking an old man and kissing her ass on the way to the top is disgusting. I get if you have vested interests in Democrats winning and a rational Democrat can say, "She may be a ho but at least she is our ho. " You look at Tall Man's saying and Kamala Harris is exactly the kind of dishonest woman he was talking about.
But that is not the case with Paulie. He actually thinks that being a working girl and getting paid not by the man fucking her but by the taxpayer is somehow, God knows how, a virtuous act.
In his screwed up head, the only people in government who were terrible were those associated with Trump and Trump himself, so it is no surprise that he has no faith in Colombian authorities because there is no way that they are as good as those in America. Of course, the truth is different.
Colombia learned first hand what happens when foreign tourists are abducted, I. E. The money dries up, and they have a huge incentive to make sure you are safe.
Of course in the sex prison, the biggest myth is the cops have to come when you call them: [URL]https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again[/URL].
"This latest decision adds to a growing body of case law establishing that government agencies — including police agencies — have no duty to provide protection to citizens in general."
Of course, to an arrogant blowhard like Paulie, that means the sex prison police would protect him but neither you nor me. Why? Because the police, again God knows how, know how great he is. That is why he is THE most arrogant blowhard on this forum. He actually thinks he is God's gift to women when in fact he is stabbing his own sex in the back.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2526395]Thanks, Captain Obvious. Did you know 2 + 2 = 4? The difference is how society is trained to react. A man cheats and he is a scumbag. A woman does and she likely was being abused. Every time a man cheats the cheated upon woman is the victim. When a woman cheats, she is the victim as well.
1% of female millionaires have made that money on their own. 99% have gotten it through marriage, divorce, inheritance ETC. And the women who made it on their own always marry up. Show me a female millionaire who made it on her own and married some guy without money.
LOL. And you have not been? What are you doing here? I did not think it possible you could get worse, but this may be the most arrogant thing you have ever said.[/QUOTE]Why is it I never hear about hos getting arrested, and they scam doods 24/7, they went 1/2 way around to get this dood.
Seriously? He didn't kill anyone.
Sorry I forgot its not illegal when hos do it.
[URL]https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-exclusive-dating-app-con-man-back-in-chicago/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2526395]1% of female millionaires have made that money on their own. 99% have gotten it through marriage, divorce, inheritance ETC. And the women who made it on their own always marry up. Show me a female millionaire who made it on her own and married some guy without money.[/QUOTE]This simply isn't so, but you are a guy who eagerly embraces self-serving myths, such as Covid denialism, that of a stolen presidential election, and of course, this "all women are prostitutes" tripe. Successful career women are very common, especially in developed countries. However you are bitter, obese, hurt and rejected, and trying to buy love via Western Union, thus your response is totally expected. There's no end to your efforts to shove square pegs in round holes, and that's generally why I don't bother with your posts.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2526447]I believe Elvis has been designated the Oracle of ISG at least in MDE jajaja.[/QUOTE]I'm sure he's happy to have you as a boot licker.
Myths are popular, always have been. But cheating women are also scorned like cheating men. There's plenty of women with money, especially in developed countries. When marrying water does tend to seek it's own level, but the primary motivations in these cases involve desires for companionship and child bearing. Even still plenty of these marry guys of lessor means, thus the old bum boyfriend phenomenon.
Bottom line is this, a lot of guys in P4P are self-conscious about what they are doing. Thus this whole notion of "all women are prostitutes and all guys pay anyway" is a soothing balm, to make themselves feel better about what they are doing.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2526449]He's the monger that PMed me and said I need to be concerned with being kidnapped for ransom etc in MDE.[/QUOTE]This was many months ago and you initiated the PMs. I could have said something like that as this does happen in Colombia, though far more often the victim is kept for ATM runs. This though isn't of the most common robbery methods there.
I do recall ending communications when you kept sending protracted world salads. You sound a little better now though. Glad to see the doc got your meds better adjusted.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527523]This simply isn't so, but you are a guy[/QUOTE]Typically Paulie, anyone can stop reading right there. It is a proclamation and personal insults afterwards, again, it just illustrates what an arrogant blowhard you are.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2526715]Why is it I never hear about hos getting arrested, and they scam doods 24/7, they went 1/2 way around to get this dood.
Seriously? He didn't kill anyone.
Sorry I forgot its not illegal when hos do it.
[URL]https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-exclusive-dating-app-con-man-back-in-chicago/[/URL][/QUOTE]You will really be hot with this news then. Pay attention to the last 10 seconds of the video.
[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/web/video.php?v=wshh9f90EyL71VxrH97G[/URL]
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2526329]Let me guess. You've started sending PMs to Osteoknot telling him that nobody likes me and that I am a terrible person? What is this the 4th time? 5th? You are rather predictable.
Don't you ever get tired of constantly having to find a new person to tell the life story of Jim Morrison to?[/QUOTE]That was a gentle ribbing as I suspected embellishment. However if you say it wasn't then no one can prove otherwise. Such is the beauty of anecdotes. I've never spoken to Osteonot on the back channel. Credit where credit is due, your political and Covid posts were spot on, though you wisely gave up the cause. Is no point in going in circles with people.
The Doors? Fuck yes, definitely top ten when considering greatest rock bands ever.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2526715]Why is it I never hear about hos getting arrested, and they scam doods 24/7, they went 1/2 way around to get this dood.
Seriously? He didn't kill anyone.
Sorry I forgot its not illegal when hos do it.
[URL]https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-exclusive-dating-app-con-man-back-in-chicago/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's called wire fraud, and thankfully societies have penalties for crimes besides murder. If you don't want to be scammed in that manner by prostitutes then don't send out any Western Unions. Easy solution, no reason to make yourself look foolish whining about reverse sexism in a monger forum.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2527557]You will really be hot with this news then. Pay attention to the last 10 seconds of the video.
[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/web/video.php?v=wshh9f90EyL71VxrH97G[/URL][/QUOTE]That's the Scandinavian model, focus on the demand rather than supply. I read that NYC is going in the same direction. If you watched the whole video you saw that, at least allegedly, under the age was a big issue and that of course always deserves attention.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527560]your political and Covid posts were spot on, though you wisely gave up the cause.[/QUOTE]LOL. JJBee accused me of making up Covid mutations. Now there is one every damned day. You think it took a year for the virus to mutate?
You think New York was a model state for Covid? Even though countries like Peru and Colombia totally locked down, and you and JJBee are like, "Better to save lives than money", they are among the worst countries with regards to Covid deaths. You STILL think travel bans, lockdowns, and quarantines work despite all the evidence to the contrary. You still want to grade governments on the number of virus cases versus looking at other causes like maybe they have not been hit or they were lucky by a weaker stain of the virus. Every time you guys said so and so country handled the crisis well, I said "Just you wait" and many of those great countries closed got hit by the virus a second time.
I give JJBee credit on his predictions with regards to cases. I was skeptical at first how contagious the virus really was early on because I had not personally seen that many cases.
JJBee's market predictions were horrible.
And then you Dems put Fauci up on a pedestal to bash Trump. I called Fauci flip flop months ago. First, it was no masks then one mask then two and now today he is back to one.
Paulie, I wish I was really as smart as you think that you are. If I was a chick, I would play into your arrogance and rob you blind.
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Dood jajajajaaaaa
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2527557]You will really be hot with this news then. Pay attention to the last 10 seconds of the video.
[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/web/video.php?v=wshh9f90EyL71VxrH97G[/URL][/QUOTE]About 5 yrs or so ago, I'm sitting in my office in Chicago, I see an ad for a lunch time special Sushi and Tamale (an Asian and Latina hooker).
I call, its at an upscale hotel, she gives me the address, I drive over and when I get to the room and its a reverse sting by the FBI.
Same shit as this video, I asked WTF.
They said they were looking for traffickers, I laughed, seriously? Guys at lunch time buying pussy are traffickers.
I will say they got so many mongers that day LOL.
A big fucking bus load LOL.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2527597]LOL. JJBee accused me of making up Covid mutations. Now there is one every damned day. You think it took a year for the virus to mutate?
You think New York was a model state for Covid? Even though countries like Peru and Colombia totally locked down, and you and JJBee are like, "Better to save lives than money", they are among the worst countries with regards to Covid deaths. You STILL think travel bans, lockdowns, and quarantines work despite all the evidence to the contrary. You still want to grade governments on the number of virus cases versus looking at other causes like maybe they have not been hit or they were lucky by a weaker stain of the virus. Every time you guys said so and so country handled the crisis well, I said "Just you wait" and many of those great countries closed got hit by the virus a second time.
I give JJBee credit on his predictions with regards to cases. I was skeptical at first how contagious the virus really was early on because I had not personally seen that many cases.
JJBee's market predictions were horrible.
And then you Dems put Fauci up on a pedestal to bash Trump. I called Fauci flip flop months ago. First, it was no masks then one mask then two and now today he is back to one.
Paulie, I wish I was really as smart as you think that you are. If I was a chick, I would play into your arrogance and rob you blind.[/QUOTE]Vietnam and South Korea go into a countrywide panic when there's 1000 cases.
I don't believe China's numbers but very few countries handled it well.
South Korea has 55 million in a country smaller than the state of NY.
Colombia has 55 million in a country the size of Texas and California combined.
So they're are very few countries handling it well.
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They should do a study on Manila since it has the highest population density in the world at around 107,000 people per square mile. Average family is 7. They live on top of each other. Social distancing is impossible there. Never hear a thing about Manila and Covid. That place should be a super hot spot for Covid studies. Based on the scare mongering by fake news, half of Manila should be dead by now. Rather odd huh?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527560]That was a gentle ribbing as I suspected embellishment. However if you say it wasn't then no one can prove otherwise. Such is the beauty of anecdotes. I've never spoken to Osteonot on the back channel. Credit where credit is due, your political and Covid posts were spot on, though you wisely gave up the cause. Is no point in going in circles with people.
The Doors? Fuck yes, definitely top ten when considering greatest rock bands ever.[/QUOTE]There's still some hope for you.
Only minor embellishment. I already knew she was not a faithful wife when the hubby started bragging her up.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2527607]Vietnam and South Korea go into a countrywide panic when there's 1000 cases.
I don't believe China's numbers but very few countries handled it well.
South Korea has 55 million in a country smaller than the state of NY.
Colombia has 55 million in a country the size of Texas and California combined.
So they're are very few countries handling it well.[/QUOTE]I don't bother to read anything by Elvirus anymore, unless someone else quotes it. Then I don't bother with it, unless he's making shit up about me again.
He claimed that the higher case load in Peru was due to a mutated strain. I called bullshit, because no mutated strain had been discovered in Peru. I never said there was no risk of mutation. I do believe that one of the arguments I made against just letting the virus run its course and rely on herd immunity was that such action increases the risk of a successful and worse mutation.
The rest, well anyone who has been to Colombia (and I suspect Peru as well) can attest to how "totally locked down" they were. My Facebook feed was every day full of videos of the girls partying in all the barrios. The guys who stayed in Medellin through the "totally locked down" period also reported no trouble getting girls, not only showing the girls were getting out easy enough, but the taxis were running as well.
It's like a stretch of road I drive down every week. Signs saying "Target Enforcement Area, Speeding and Distracted Driving. Zero Tolerance" but I've never gone down that road without seeing both. There's no way to enforce a total lockdown on a city of 4 million. The people of Colombia are about as law abiding as anywhere else, which means they ignore the laws that they can and obey the ones they must.
Of course I get credit for predicting the number of cases. But Elvirus constantly ridiculed every prediction and openly scoffed at the suggestion of 200 k US deaths.
His Fauci bullshit is my favorite part. I believe it was in March, 60 Minutes interviewed him and asked if everyone should be wearing masks. Keep in mind, at that time there was a shortage of PPE in the US. I'll paraphrase him. He said that people with symptoms, people who tested positive and people exposed should wear masks, but it wasn't necessary for everyone to mask up. At the time there were also only a few thousand known cases in the US. Once the mask shortage was overcome and the disease was known to be widespread, his recommendation was for everyone to mask up.
Unfortunately, some people must distort the truth to fit their agenda. So, Fauci's initial recommendation became "masks are completely useless" to a small group of morons I'll call the Elviri. I linked the entire 60 Minutes interview and wrote out Dr. Fauci's response, yet he still believes in his little fantasy.
I'm sure he'll keep rambling on and on without ever knowing what he's talking about. Perhaps that's his purpose in life.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527567]It's called wire fraud, and thankfully societies have penalties for crimes besides murder. If you don't want to be scammed in that manner by prostitutes then don't send out any Western Unions. Easy solution, no reason to make yourself look foolish whining about reverse sexism in a monger forum.[/QUOTE]And you sound like a whiny feminist, you better get back to Jezebel.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2527523]This simply isn't so, but you are a guy who eagerly embraces self-serving myths, such as Covid denialism, that of a stolen presidential election, and of course, this "all women are prostitutes" tripe. Successful career women are very common, especially in developed countries. However you are bitter, obese, hurt and rejected, and trying to buy love via Western Union, thus your response is totally expected. There's no end to your efforts to shove square pegs in round holes, and that's generally why I don't bother with your posts.[/QUOTE]It's seems to me that you're simply self projecting. Anyways, this is a monger forum, not a forum for pathetic feminists.
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2527607]Vietnam and South Korea go into a countrywide panic when there's 1000 cases.
I don't believe China's numbers but very few countries handled it well.
South Korea has 55 million in a country smaller than the state of NY.
Colombia has 55 million in a country the size of Texas and California combined.
So they're are very few countries handling it well.[/QUOTE]Sang, I let Paulie the arrogant blowhard off the hook by talking about the virus and JJBirdbrain, who is just as arrogant as Paulie, steps in with his typical lies, verbosity, and smugness. He cites his Facebook feed as a reason for or against a government policy. Even the NYT has taken on Fauci and JJB still wants to go down and blow his hero. He is incapable of being objective.
I am not going to get into the virus thing outside of pointing to the politics of it. South Korea was a unique case because of being hit with a SARS type virus before that led to thousands of deaths and billions in destruction so when people said they did a good job, and they did, it was their second go around and they were ready for it.
When I looked at the data with regards to Asia, the Americas, and Europe, I saw the Americas broke the typical pattern of the curve with Covid. I figured there were different strains in the Americas and there were. This was reported back in August: [URL]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200803105246.htm[/URL].
IMO it was buried because the media wanted Trump out. Call it a conspiracy theory if you want but the vaccine was announced 2 days after the election and the variants, which have been known about for months, just now are getting constant media play. Academics and universities are among the most liberal groups there are and if you find any pro-Trump guys among them let me know because I have never seen them.
If you look at the numbers, Trump was way out front pre-Covid then Covid hits and he loses. So a lot of groups had a vested interest in saying government policies worked or not.
I do not even care about Trump really. I was actually sick of him being the topic of every news show and conversation in the country but what I did care about was the notion that government policies were responsible for the spread of the virus.
So if you look at the worldometers page on Covid here, [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL].
You think you are getting really good data.
Look at the USA, Mexico, and Colombia right? You would conclude that those countries are doing great compared to the USA, but in reality, if you look at the % positive testing, you get 8% or so in the USA, 20% in Colombia, and 38% in Mexico, and that means Colombia and Mexico are doing a lot less testing. In some places in Colombia right now, the positive testing rate is 50% which is really fucking scary and IMO that is a better marker of how dangerous a place is than number of cases.
Then you have that people who are not tested. In the USA, there are estimates the cases are 4 X higher than reported: [URL]https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/43130744/study-estimates-us-covid19-infections-may-be-4-times-higher-than-reported[/URL].
So the numbers people are looking at and making judgments based on are horribly flawed. No one really knows what countries were doing best with the virus and which ones were not.
My point is this Sang. You have variance in the virus, variance in testing, variance in the actual number of cases, variance in country's death rate based on age of the population and there are so many other variables in effect, the very nature of saying a government policy works or not is very hard to determine. You can cherry pick countries to rationalize any government policy.
But if you look at this table, the first thing listed is country. So even though these tables appear to be factual, this table and the John Hopkins map are designed to compare countries and to hammer home the fact that government policies more than anything else are causing the virus to spread or not, and that simply is not true.
IMO, and it is just an opinion, this country comparison was done to get Trump out of office, and it worked.
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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2527604]About 5 yrs or so ago, I'm sitting in my office in Chicago, I see an ad for a lunch time special Sushi and Tamale (an Asian and Latina hooker).
I call, its at an upscale hotel, she gives me the address, I drive over and when I get to the room and its a reverse sting by the FBI.
Same shit as this video, I asked WTF.
They said they were looking for traffickers, I laughed, seriously? Guys at lunch time buying pussy are traffickers.
I will say they got so many mongers that day LOL.
A big fucking bus load LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/us/riverside-prostitution-trafficking-arrests/2021/02/03/id/1008565/[/URL]
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Leidy Baron
There is a picture of her on her Instagram account. It looks as if she passed away. I matched with her on Tinder once and started following her. I hope I misinterpreted. Otherwise RIP.
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It was a status update?
[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2528275]There is a picture of her on her Instagram account. It looks as if she passed away. I matched with her on Tinder once and started following her. I hope I misinterpreted. Otherwise RIP.[/QUOTE]I think it was a pic of her surrounded by a nurse and a doctor.
I think she maybe just sick. Why would anyone put a status update of a dead person?
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[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2528289]I think it was a pic of her surrounded by a nurse and a doctor.
I think she maybe just sick. Why would anyone put a status update of a dead person?[/QUOTE]I am glad I was wrong. Her Instagram account showed her out partying on Saturday night so it was a very short period of time (three days) to become bedridden. She is one to update every day. I follow a few pinups and usually look at Instagram before I go to sleep.
I am impressed that in Medellin they would send a doctor and a nurse to your house. I live in a wealthy suburb in California and wouldn't see that kind of service. They would send the paramedics not a doctor to the house.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2528452]Whenever I'm in Medellin I routinely take afternoon walks around El Centro, often alone. Haven't been stabbed yet.[/QUOTE]From how you described yourself previously at 245 lbs and over 6 foot tall you sound like one bad ass looking intimidating dude that not even the locals would want to take a stab at.
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[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2528382]I am glad I was wrong. Her Instagram account showed her out partying on Saturday night so it was a very short period of time (three days) to become bedridden. She is one to update every day. I follow a few pinups and usually look at Instagram before I go to sleep.
[/QUOTE]I know I am bored, sitting in my house and probably showing bad taste in being this curious but with that being said I think this is an ominous note.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/stories/leidybarong/2502480323901512703/[/URL]
My Spanish is bad to non-existent. Maybe somebody can interpret.
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[QUOTE=BigBossMan;2528675]I know I am bored, sitting in my house and probably showing bad taste in being this curious but with that being said I think this is an ominous note.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/stories/leidybarong/2502480323901512703/[/URL]
My Spanish is bad to non-existent. Maybe somebody can interpret.[/QUOTE]I just tried typing into google translate. It's a bit rough because my Spanish is just as weak and the last part has words that I can't easily make out the letters.
"Life is beautiful and it is the best thing that could happen to us having the opportunity to be born. The most important thing is to know and believe that we are not alone. We have the masters of God and we have ourselves.".
"It is also true that we do not choose the life that touched us, but we can take good people to continue the path, we should not ignore or endure the child that we always carry inside. We deserve to be happy despite the acts that some people do, thinking only of their benefit."
"Sorry do it from the heart and you will not know yourself in what others want. When they don't even know who they are a good daughter, father, brother, friend and heartfelt help."
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[QUOTE=EducationFund;2528687]I just tried typing into google translate. It's a bit rough because my Spanish is just as weak and the last part has words that I can't easily make out the letters.
"Life is beautiful and it is the best thing that could happen to us having the opportunity to be born. The most important thing is to know and believe that we are not alone. We have the masters of God and we have ourselves.".
"It is also true that we do not choose the life that touched us, but we can take good people to continue the path, we should not ignore or endure the child that we always carry inside. We deserve to be happy despite the acts that some people do, thinking only of their benefit."
"Sorry do it from the heart and you will not know yourself in what others want. When they don't even know who they are a good daughter, father, brother, friend and heartfelt help."[/QUOTE]Thanks for the translation. I am like a conspiracy theorist piecing together evidence to tell the wrong story. It appears that what I saw was all a reaction to a cosmetic procedure. This pandemic needs to end soon before I go crazy. I am in the "at-risk" pool. Oh to be fifty again and banging three garotas a day in Rio. Enjoy it while you got it boys. [URL]https://www.instagram.com/stories/leidybarong/2502581146228640896/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2527808]It's seems to me that you're simply self projecting. Anyways, this is a monger forum, not a forum for pathetic feminists.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Amen!
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[QUOTE=Surfer500;2528514]From how you described yourself previously at 245 lbs and over 6 foot tall you sound like one bad ass looking intimidating dude that not even the locals would want to take a stab at.[/QUOTE]Naw. I'm a teddy bear. Always smiling. I'm just slightly larger. I save my mean face for the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Does ISG= Irony Support Group?
You really should do some research before jumping on someone's bandwagon.
[QUOTE=SubComm;2528746]Agreed. Amen![/QUOTE]I've searched and have been unable to find a single post on any Colombia thread where Shoo Bree has posted anything useful for mongering. Almost everything he has ever posted is an attempt to start an argument. It doesn't appear as if he has ever been to Colombia or has any plans to ever visit.
Paulie has his faults, but he has made many trips to Medellin, knows the mongering scene and has offered information and guidance to others.
As for the feminist tag, there's the real irony. If you're a monger you're doing more for feminism than any guy wearing a pink vagina beanie and carrying his balls around in a purse.
We'll use Medellin as an example. Let's assume you're a macho alpha male, bitches better know their place guy. You never overpay and you're getting the cheapest girls you can find. El Centro street girls.
Unless you've earned your whiskers you're probably paying about double the average, but let's assume you're beating the standard rate and getting girls for 25 k. You just paid her what a regular girl in her barrio earns in 5 hours. Plus she was in control of the whole situation. She made the rules and all the decisions and she probably only gave half her effort for 15 minutes.
If you shop around in Medellin you can find a live-in maid for 300 k a week. She'll work 6 days, cook meals, clean house, do laundry buy groceries and clip your toenails. Plus, she'll fuck you twice a day. That's for the same amount, with taxi as you would spend on 6 El Centro visits.
Plus you're in complete control. You decide what she wears and how she wakes you up. You can even tell her what to make for breakfast, unless you want eggs over easy. You're more likely to find a girl in Colombia who can rebuild a TorqueFlite transmission than one that knows how to flip an egg.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2528868]You really should do some research before jumping on someone's bandwagon.
I've searched and have been unable to find a single post on any Colombia thread where Shoo Bree has posted anything useful for mongering. Almost everything he has ever posted is an attempt to start an argument. It doesn't appear as if he has ever been to Colombia or has any plans to ever visit.[/QUOTE]Well, you're incorrect. Why should he, or anyone else on here listen to a liar like you? Not only have I been to Colombia, I've also posted on here about my time in Colombia.
Unlike you I'm a world traveler. You're a pathetic weirdo always looking for a fight. Why don't you get a life instead of repeatedly posting lies and your inane and irrelevant ramblings.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2528868]You really should do some research before jumping on someone's bandwagon.
I've searched and have been unable to find a single post on any Colombia thread where Shoo Bree has posted anything useful for mongering. Almost everything he has ever posted is an attempt to start an argument. It doesn't appear as if he has ever been to Colombia or has any plans to ever visit.
Paulie has his faults, but he has made many trips to Medellin, knows the mongering scene and has offered information and guidance to others.
As for the feminist tag, there's the real irony. If you're a monger you're doing more for feminism than any guy wearing a pink vagina beanie and carrying his balls around in a purse.
We'll use Medellin as an example. Let's assume you're a macho alpha male, bitches better know their place guy. You never overpay and you're getting the cheapest girls you.[/QUOTE]Shoo Bree? The kid in momma's basement in Sweden eating pickled herring and wanking off with fish oil? I stopped reading his posts months ago, but am not surprised that he is still obsessed with me. He's good for at least ten posts a day on each of the popular off topic threads. This is his life.
I've been way too busy and haven't been following this thread, but yea, I've had this discussion many times and usually the last stand of the misogynist / loser is to drop the feminist label. But your typical "alpha male" of this bent is a wuss at heart. Take for example this guy in NJ who was recently arrested for participating in the Capital riot. He had all these photos of himself online holding guns and ran a blog giving dating advice, but he has a history of rejection from women and was bullied as a child. Same can be said of Trump, plenty of bluster but a scared little man inside, hiding behind a big mouth and comb over, which is a contraption to hide a botched hair transplant operation. But his whole front came unraveled in the first debate when Biden told him to "shut up" and that he was the worst president the country has ever had. The election was effectively over at that moment. The defeated look on Trump's face as he sheepishly slinked off to FL on inauguration morning was priceless, and well reflective of who he truly is.
But strong men aren't afraid of strong women with their own careers and means of support. Most of the gringa criticisms that are so popular are sour grapes. They can't get the pussy so run them down and come up with reasons why they don't want it anyway. But yea a lot of women aren't selling their asses. They have successful careers, resources, and very often marry at or near their income level. There's companionship and child bearing as primary motives, plus combining resources under one roof benefits both parties. But some marry bums with lessor or no means, which has it's own psychological hitch, but it's certainly isn't about selling pussy.
Then there's the argument that many financially secure women would change their mind about selling it if some crazy high amount was offered. Be careful though. What would YOU do for ten billion dollars? So these imaginations regarding opportunities that aren't going to ever happen carry no weight either.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2528868]We'll use Medellin as an example. Let's assume you're a macho alpha male, bitches better know their place guy. You never overpay and you're getting the cheapest girls you can find. El Centro street girls.
Unless you've earned your whiskers you're probably paying about double the average, but let's assume you're beating the standard rate and getting girls for 25 k. You just paid her what a regular girl in her barrio earns in 5 hours. Plus she was in control of the whole situation. She made the rules and all the decisions and she probably only gave half her effort for 15 minutes.[/QUOTE]This was an especially good point. I'll never forget the story from Elvis reported here. First he claims to have had a 50 K bank error in his favor (guess he used to play Monopoly LOL) and starts sending $1000 retainers to hookers he found in social media. This, so he tells us, went on months, then when the airport finally opened and he made it to town, most said they owed him nothing. One he went ahead and paid some more but she refused to kiss him. So yes, the hooker is very often in charge, irrespective of the pseudo alpha male's opinion of them.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529069]Well, you're incorrect. Why should he, or anyone else on here listen to a liar like you? Not only have I been to Colombia, I've also posted on here about my time in Colombia.
Unlike you I'm a world traveler. You're a pathetic weirdo always looking for a fight. Why don't you get a life instead of repeatedly posting lies and your inane and irrelevant ramblings.[/QUOTE]My message history speaks for itself, and I'm fairly certain I can find more than one post where someone has thanked me for help or information. Can you do the same?
I challenged you once before to show one post you have written on any of the Colombian threads providing useful information for Colombian mongers. Do you remember your response? You copied my challenge word for word challenging me to show one of my helpful messages on the Spain or UAE boards.
I've never been to Spain or the UAE. I've never posted anything, not even a question on either of those boards. I've never claimed to have visited either country. While Spain may eventually be on my itinerary, I feel no need to go to the Spain board and try to start fights with the people who regularly monger there.
As for the UAE, I can't imagine anyone deliberately choosing it for a mongering trip. That's like getting on a plane in Bangor, Maine and flying to Des Moines, Iowa because you want a lobster dinner. Sure, if for some reason you're stuck in UAE then I would think a lot of research would be vital if you're planning on mongering. But for a "world traveler" to decide "I bet UAE would be a great place to monger" doesn't make much sense to me.
Here's your chance once again. Link one, just one, of your useful mongering posts from any of the Colombian threads. I don't need to link mine, someone else has already done that more than once in the last few weeks.
Or will you do like you always do, world travel yourself back to your closet until you get ready to be spanked again?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2529070]Shoo Bree? The kid in momma's basement in Sweden eating pickled herring and wanking off with fish oil? I stopped reading his posts months ago, but am not surprised that he is still obsessed with me. He's good for at least ten posts a day on each of the popular off topic threads. This is his life.
I've been way too busy and haven't been following this thread, but yea, I've had this discussion many times and usually the last stand of the misogynist / loser is to drop the feminist label. But your typical "alpha male" of this bent is a wuss at heart. Take for example this guy in NJ who was recently arrested for participating in the Capital riot. He had all these photos of himself online holding guns and ran a blog giving dating advice, but he has a history of rejection from women and was bullied as a child. Same can be said of Trump, plenty of bluster but a scared little man inside, hiding behind a big mouth and comb over, which is a contraption to hide a botched hair transplant operation. But his whole front came unraveled in the first debate when Biden told him to "shut up" and that he was the worst president the country has ever had. The election was effectively over at that moment. The defeated look on Trump's face as he sheepishly slinked off to FL on inauguration morning was priceless, and well reflective of who he truly is..[/QUOTE]As usual your posts contains nothing but irrelevant BS (nothing about mongering) and derogatory comments against those who disagree with feminazi views.
It's funny to see what you write considering that you have over 400 posts and not a single one about mongering. You're one of the most prolific posters of irrelevant BS on this website. Maybe you should ask your mother to bring a mirror down to the basement. You're a true hypocrite.
Just admit it, you're a pathetic, fat loser trolling this forum. All you do is bickering and fight, just like jjb. Because of you people the forum lost track of what it used to and should be. Unlike you I actually came to this site to share information about mongering.
Feminism has nothing to do with strong women, it's about weak women and self entitled bitches. I can safely say that lapdogs like Paulie wouldn't be able to separate a "strong woman" from just another "self entitled *****" even if his life depended on it. Feminism = communism, and that's why the libtards loves it.
Anyways, men, in particularly mongers, supporting feminism must be the dumbest mfers to ever walked the earth. I've seen what feminism does to a country and it's not pretty. Prostitutes walks free and are even able to blackmail their clients because the laws are made to serve women and punish men.
Case in point.
[URL]https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/web/video.php?v=wshh9f90EyL71VxrH97G[/URL]
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529166]My message history speaks for itself, and I'm fairly certain I can find more than one post where someone has thanked me for help or information. Can you do the same?
I challenged you once before to show one post you have written on any of the Colombian threads providing useful information for Colombian mongers. Do you remember your response? You copied my challenge word for word challenging me to show one of my helpful messages on the Spain or UAE boards.
I've never been to Spain or the UAE. I've never posted anything, not even a question on either of those boards. I've never claimed to have visited either country. While Spain may eventually be on my itinerary, I feel no need to go to the Spain board and try to start fights with the people who regularly monger there.
As for the UAE, I can't imagine anyone deliberately choosing it for a mongering trip. That's like getting on a plane in Bangor, Maine and flying to Des Moines, Iowa because you want a lobster dinner. Sure, if for some reason you're stuck in UAE then I would think a lot of research would be vital if you're planning on mongering. But for a "world traveler" to decide "I bet UAE would be a great place to monger" doesn't make much sense to me.
Here's your chance once again. Link one, just one, of your useful mongering posts from any of the Colombian threads. I don't need to link mine, someone else has already done that more than once in the last few weeks.
Or will you do like you always do, world travel yourself back to your closet until you get ready to be spanked again?[/QUOTE]Aren't you the guy who self-admittedly went to Colombia to work for a Colombian cam*****? Dude, you obviously don't know when it's time to be quiet. But thank you for the laughs. All your posts are worthless nonsense, but you're too full of yourself to realize that. Just as you don't understand how pathetic you seem when you go to Colombia to work for a cam***** or make hundreds of irrelevant posts picking fights with other members.
I'm not surprised that you turned out to be too lazy / stupid / dishonest to check the veracity of your false claims. The facts are simple, I've been to Colombia and posted about my experiences.
You obviously don't know anything about the UAE.
Have fun in the trailer park.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529205]As usual your posts contains nothing but irrelevant BS (nothing about mongering) and derogatory comments against those who disagree with feminazi views.
Just admit it, you're a pathetic, fat loser trolling this forum. All you do is bickering and fight, just like jjb. Because of you people the forum lost track of what it used to and should be. Unlike you I actually came to this site to share information about mongering.
Feminism has nothing to do with strong women, it's about weak women and self entitled bitches. I can safely say that lapdogs like Paulie wouldn't be able to separate a "strong woman" from just another "self entitled *****" even if his life depended on it.
Anyways, men, in particularly mongers, supporting feminism must be the dumbest mfers to ever walked the earth. I've seen what feminism does to a country and it's not pretty.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Shoobree, I do not know how you support the status quo when you have heroes like Stormy Daniels and Kamala Harris and villains like Robert Kraft but JJBirdbrain and Paulie the arrogant one defend it like the manginas they are. Every honest monger here has been hurt by a woman and is disillusioned with the status quo.
Recently, my family was pressuring me to settle down. Thing is I love my version of the sugar baby model. I have sex with the hottest women who I enjoy spending time with, and I am under no obligation to give a reason for not seeing them anymore. I tell the women I am not exclusive with them and have my fun. If the women no show or quit pleasing me sexually, they are done. You can imagine what people are saying: you are paying for sex, taking advantage of women, need to grow up, and going to die a lonely old man. The thing is that I am really the first guy I have seen here take the sugar baby model to Colombia and talk about it.
Master of his own mind JJBee and the Arrogant one say that I am posting to impress others and have average looking women which is funny because I have been meeting models and beauty pageant winners but they would never try a new model because they are the on all world beta team. They should have T-shirts that say "Beta and proud of it".
Unlike most guys, when I am criticized, I question if I am wrong. When I asked a friend who had met my American sugar babies, "do you think the women are in it just for the money?" he almost gagged and said, "Elvis, I have met a lot of your women. Half of them want to marry you."
People think there is just alpha and beta, but I am an omega. I do not want to control or follow. I want to create a path that makes sense for me. Out of respect for the people who have taught me, I have shared my experiences and my model, and others have shared things with me. The people who have tried are happy with it. As one guy says, it sure is hard to go back to just fucking working girls after you have done this.
I knew that I would have imitators, and it started slowly but the guys who followed my lead have done well. I followed Dramafree's lead in Mexico and am really glad I did.
The thing is that again I listen to people. Every time I have gotten serious with a woman the sex tales off. If there is conflict with a man and woman, it is the man's fault. You need to romance her and all that other shit right? No. That is normal for women. Chris Rock joked that all married men get the same shitty ass blowjob and then a woman documented how women in relationships do lose passion and faster than men.
It cracked me up that when people were saying to settle down and grow up and commit, they were also saying, "Hey, in addition to half your assets and income, you also get a shitty sex life. " Say what?
So I tried the model in the sex prison. I had beautiful women, affectionate, and it went well most of the time. Thing is even with sugar babies the breakups on occasion were sticky and honestly it was just too much. My maid would be busting her ass for $100 and some of these women were showing up late and stopping by for an hour and getting 3 or 4 x that? I had a hard time being okay with that.
The good thing about the manosphere today is it not about hatred of women although they are accused of that. They also are honest about how men are about wanting to spread their seed and advocate seeing multiple women and call it spinning plates. Fucking more than one woman and having relationships with them? That is cheating, abusing and disrespecting women ETC. It is funny how the feminists and manginas proclaim women victims without asking the women first.
The irony is that women are not happy with the current model either. If you are a woman and do everything right, and you look at Stormy Daniels and Kamala Harris, how do you not question the fairness of the universe?
So when I propose a new model, the women jump at it. When in Mexico, one of the women tore my clothes off. The alpha males here brag about how little they pay. The betas imitate them. With me, it is like being a real dad in the sense that it is not how much but how the money is being deployed that is important.
What women really want is to up their status in life. If you give a woman money, and it all goes up her nose you are not doing that. If you can use the money to enhance the woman's life, they are going to fuck the shit out of you.
The women do not even have to be told that if they do not perform sexually, show up late or stand me up that they are going to be dumped. They know. They all want to be my queen and want to fuck and suck better than the others. One told me, "I am going to fuck you so good you are not going to look at another woman. " They know they are in competition so they do not get excessively greedy. They hate asking for money.
With money, it is not how much or little but what you are getting for your money. I have this cute 25 year old tell me, "Elvis, my acne is really bad. I do not know if you want to spend time with me and be seen with me. I will cancel the trip if you want. " People who look at me say this HAS to be bullshit, but it is not.
I tell her, "No baby, we can get the medicine you need in Mexico without a prescription and I want you to come. " Do you think I care how much it costs? I do not care how many Santa Fe working girls I could fuck with the cost of the medicine, it is worth it because it is enhancing her status which helps her and her beauty which makes me feel good. That is what I mean when I say it is an investment. I am getting a better looking woman, a woman who feels better about herself, and have enhanced the goodwill in the relationship.
The all powerful alpha orders around and dominates the woman, and a lot of women hate that. The beta males, which guys thought I was, are wimps, not respected by women and get run over. Alphas are all about sex and betas live with women who shame them for wanting sex.
Women want to get paid for sex and not feel like working girls, and my model, which has been honed over time, gives that to women. My motto is if you have real game, you create your own rules and get others to play.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529330]Aren't you the guy who self-admittedly went to Colombia to work for a Colombian cam*****? Dude, you obviously don't know when it's time to be quiet. But thank you for the laughs. All your posts are worthless nonsense, but you're too full of yourself to realize that. Just as you don't understand how pathetic you seem when you go to Colombia to work for a cam***** or make hundreds of irrelevant posts picking fights with other members.
I'm not surprised that you turned out to be too lazy / stupid / dishonest to check the veracity of your false claims. The facts are simple, I've been to Colombia and posted about my experiences.
You obviously don't know anything about the UAE.
Have fun in the trailer park.[/QUOTE]One of the multitude of differences between you and I is that I openly communicate about everything. I honestly documented the entire year I spent in Medellin, the good and the bad.
Did you seriously believe it would bother me for you to bring up something I have written dozens of posts about? Why should it bother me? Living in Medellin for a year rent free, hanging out with webcam models, a few of which are still good friends, one who was my roommate, with almost no responsibilities, all while improving my Spanish, ranks fairly high on my best years list.
My total expenditure for the year was about $25 k. That's food, travel, lodging, all bills, all entertainment, furniture, along with $900 for a bike and $1100 for a new laptop. I spend a minimum of $20 k more every year while working, with only a few weeks of vacation. But, for some reason you think I'm supposed to be embarrassed about it? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'll take that deal every single time.
Here's something simple anyone can do. For any post, click on the poster name, then click on "view forum posts. " All their posts are right there for anyone to see. You can see which board it was posted on along with a few lines from the post. Another click will let you read each post in its entirety.
That's really all I need to say. I encourage anyone to just follow the instructions above and scan through your posts and my posts. They're welcome to draw their own conclusions.
As for finding your Colombia posts, I've searched before, never found them. In the 5 years or so that I've been on the Colombia board, I don't recall seeing anything except for the type of posts anyone can see are your standard fare.
By all means, continue on.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2529349]Yeah, Shoobree, I do not know how you support the status quo when you have heroes like Stormy Daniels and Kamala Harris and villains like Robert Kraft but JJBirdbrain and Paulie the arrogant one defend it like the manginas they are. Every honest monger here has been hurt by a woman and is disillusioned with the status quo.
Recently, my family was pressuring me to settle down. Thing is I love my version of the sugar baby model. I have sex with the hottest women who I enjoy spending time with, and I am under no obligation to give a reason for not seeing them anymore. I tell the women I am not exclusive with them and have my fun. If the women no show or quit pleasing me sexually, they are done. You can imagine what people are saying: you are paying for sex, taking advantage of women, need to grow up, and going to die a lonely old man. The thing is that I am really the first guy I have seen here take the sugar baby model to Colombia and talk about it.
Master of his own mind JJBee and the Arrogant one say that I am posting to impress others and have average looking women which is funny because I have been meeting models and beauty pageant winners but they would never try a new model because they are the on all world beta team. They should have T-shirts that say "Beta and proud of it".
Unlike most guys, when I am criticized, I question if I am wrong. When I asked a friend who had met my American sugar babies, "do you think the women are in it just for the money?" he almost gagged and said, "Elvis, I have met a lot of your women. Half of them want to marry you."
People think there is just alpha and beta, but I am an omega. I do not want to control or follow. I want to create a path that makes sense for me. Out of respect for the people who have taught me, I have shared my experiences and my model, and others have shared things with me. The people who have tried are happy with it. As one guy says, it sure is hard to go back to just fucking working girls after you have done this.
I knew that I would have imitators, and it started slowly but the guys who followed my lead have done well. I followed Dramafree's lead in Mexico and am really glad I did.
The thing is that again I listen to people. Every time I have gotten serious with a woman the sex tales off. If there is conflict with a man and woman, it is the man's fault. You need to romance her and all that other shit right? No. That is normal for women. Chris Rock joked that all married men get the same shitty ass blowjob and then a woman documented how women in relationships do lose passion and faster than men.
It cracked me up that when people were saying to settle down and grow up and commit, they were also saying, "Hey, in addition to half your assets and income, you also get a shitty sex life. " Say what?
So I tried the model in the sex prison. I had beautiful women, affectionate, and it went well most of the time. Thing is even with sugar babies the breakups on occasion were sticky and honestly it was just too much. My maid would be busting her ass for $100 and some of these women were showing up late and stopping by for an hour and getting 3 or 4 x that? I had a hard time being okay with that..[/QUOTE]What in the world are you babbling about? Harris? Daniels? Like all of your posts, it's as if you're a drunk at the bar who just woke up and started rambling about something people were talking about 3 months ago.
The least you could do is take some time to learn about a literary device called the "segue." You bounce back and forth without any coherent train of thought. Pick one subject. Open it, discuss it, close it and then transition to the next. It's not difficult and it might make your posts sensible.
Perhaps you could rewrite this gibberish and put it in some reasonable order. Although it really should be split into 4 or 5 separate posts, one for each of the completely unrelated subjects which seem to be bothering you.
Do you want to discuss politics? It seems as if that's on your mind. I'm not certain it's really pertinent to discuss US politics on a Colombian mongering thread.
Do you want to discuss feminism, the gender roles within a society and interpersonal relationships between men and women? That also seems to be bothering you. Once again, it seems a strange subject for a board dedicated to paying women for sex.
Or is it your desire to tell us all about how other people have complimented you? Seems weird an alpha-omega male would need that sort of ego reinforcement, but whatever works for you, go right ahead.
Here's a subject you could entertain us with: your model, honed over years. Now there's something for a mongering board. Correction, it would be something for a mongering board if you didn't insist that none of the women are actually getting paid for sex, or would ever accept money for sex. Yes, yes, I know, models and beauty pageant winners and white collar professionals every one of them.
Last, but certainly not least, do you just want to trade insults with either Paulie or me? Pick one or the other. We don't really get along very well.
Pick one, write your post. Or pick 2, 3 or all 5 and write a post for each. I'll happily either respond or ignore them.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529426]What in the world are you babbling about?[/QUOTE]Usually, it is a good idea to check out the first sentence of a statement. That usually tells you what a post is about. In this case, it is about you and Paulie defending the government and its feminist status quo.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529426]Last, do you just want to trade insults with either Paulie or me? Pick one or the other. We don't really get along very well.[/QUOTE]LOL. You come rushing to Paulie's aid and are now stabbing him in the back? Yeah, that is a typical beta libtard mangina move.
Every guy here has been hurt by a woman. Every guy here is not happy with the status quo of the USA sex prison except for you two.
When you pay for sex, I assume you are paying with money you earned. Well, when Willie Brown was fucking Kamala Harris, he gave her government jobs. In other words, he was fucking her and paying with YOUR money. Why are you okay with that?
In the mean time, Robert Kraft, a self made billionaire, gets a handjob for $200, which he pays for himself, is charged with prostitution and the prosecutor goes off on human trafficking when none of the women involved were in trafficking. Why are you okay with that?
Can you say that when it comes to male-female relations in the USA, men being men are getting fucked over? If you are so okay with the status quo in the sex prison, why do you even go to Colombia?
And one last thing: with the whole Corona thing, the real issue was whether Colombia banning international travel would stop the spread of the virus. I was accused of being against that that by Paulie because I wanted cheap pussy. I was told by you that it may cost money but it would save lives basically saying I was okay with dead people.
Did the international travel ban implemented by Colombia work to stop the spread of the virus in Colombia or not?
Of course it did not, and you two libtards were wrong, and I was right. You cannot even say it. If the government does it, then by God, it was the right thing to do.
No, you blamed the people and not the government even when it had nothing to do with the issue at hand. According to my Facebook feed. Hey Bird Brain, how were the Colombian people not compliant with the international travel ban?
So let me put a bow on this: you two libtard beta manginas support government policies even when they do not work or are against your sex.
Yeah, I wanted Colombian people dead so I could fuck on the cheap. My God, you two are such fucking assholes.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529404]One of the multitude of differences between you and I is that I openly communicate about everything. I honestly documented the entire year I spent in Medellin, the good and the bad.
Did you seriously believe it would bother me for you to bring up something I have written dozens of posts about? Why should it bother me? Living in Medellin for a year rent free, hanging out with webcam models, a few of which are still good friends, one who was my roommate, with almost no responsibilities, all while improving my Spanish, ranks fairly high on my best years list.
My total expenditure for the year was about $25 k. That's food, travel, lodging, all bills, all entertainment, furniture, along with $900 for a bike and $1100 for a new laptop. I spend a minimum of $20 k more every year while working, with only a few weeks of vacation. But, for some reason you think I'm supposed to be embarrassed about it? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'll take that deal every single time.
Here's something simple anyone can do. For any post, click on the poster name, then click on "view forum posts. " All their posts are right there for anyone to see. You can see which board it was posted on along with a few lines from the post. Another click will let you read each post in its entirety..[/QUOTE]Well, some of us are adults and some are you. You will probably get it if you ever grow up mentally.
I've looked at your posts and that's the problem, basically all of them are of you trying to pick a fight with other members.
I don't know if you're a liar or stupid / lazy but you're spreading false information.
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Just came across this forum. I have mongered in Brazil and Germany before, hope Colombia is next, I am looking at Medellin and Cartagena. I RTFF, thanks to all of you who provided useful information, very much appreciated!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529404]Here's something simple anyone can do. For any post, click on the poster name, then click on "view forum posts. " All their posts are right there for anyone to see. You can see which board it was posted on along with a few lines from the post. Another click will let you read each post in its entirety.[/QUOTE]JjBee62, I did just that. Here are the last ten time stamps from your posts in the Colombia thread that I found informative. The point is they are all recent and helpful, so thank you for that!
02-07-21 08.24.
02-06-21 19.44.
02-05-21 23.07.
02-04-21 21.41.
02-04-21 21.36.
01-31-20 20.44.
01-30-20 15.29.
01-28-20 10.30.
01-27-20 22.22.
01-27-20 22.19.
And just for grins, I did the same for the poster who accused you of just picking fights. Below are the beginnings of his last 20 posts. I haven't contributed anything to this forum because I just joined, but I thought maybe I can start by sharing some good chuckles.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529643]I've looked at your posts and that's the problem, basically all of them are of you trying to pick a fight with other members.[/QUOTE]Well, some of us are adults and some are you. You will probably get it if you ever grow up mentally.
Aren't you the guy who self-admittedly went to Colombia to work for a Colombian cam*.
As usual your posts contains nothing but irrelevant BS (nothing about mongering) and derogatory comments against those who disagree with feminazi views.
Well, you're incorrect. Why should he, or anyone else on here listen to a liar like you?
Deleted by Admin.
It's seems to me that you're simply self projecting. Anyways, this is a monger forum, not a forum for pathetic feminists.
And you sound like a whiny feminist, you better get back to Jezebel.
Even Democrats are acknowledging the fact that Biden's policies are bad for regular Americans. Biden's a left wing extremist.
Paulie, the truth is out. It's hilarious how some libtards fell for the lies.
They all say anaconda, I think most mongers have heard that.
Haha, this is even crazier than your earlier conspiracy theory.
As I've said before, Biden is the worst, most radical left-wing president USA has ever seen. Horrific.
A friend of mine who used to travel extensively all over SEA told me that the Russians and Indians are a blessing compared to the Chinese.
You must be the village idiot.
Lula being a "political prisoner" must be the funniest and craziest conspiracy theory I've heard.
Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.
But you've never questioned the amount of time you spend on this site? LMFAO! No warning signs?
What a load of nonsense. Your childish and ignorant attacks against me are just a reflection of what a stupid little troll you truly are. You are laughable.
Calling the president "illegitimate" and pretending that Russia "stole" the election is a sure way to undermine the confidence of US elections, and that's what Hillary Clinton did.
China, Iran and antifa, those are Biden's and USA's new best friends.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2529593]Usually, it is a good idea to check out the first sentence of a statement. That usually tells you what a post is about. In this case, it is about you and Paulie defending the government and its feminist status quo.
LOL. You come rushing to Paulie's aid and are now stabbing him in the back? Yeah, that is a typical beta libtard mangina move.
Every guy here has been hurt by a woman. Every guy here is not happy with the status quo of the USA sex prison except for you two.
When you pay for sex, I assume you are paying with money you earned. Well, when Willie Brown was fucking Kamala Harris, he gave her government jobs. In other words, he was fucking her and paying with YOUR money. Why are you okay with that?
In the mean time, Robert Kraft, a self made billionaire, gets a handjob for $200, which he pays for himself, is charged with prostitution and the prosecutor goes off on human trafficking when none of the women involved were in trafficking. Why are you okay with that?
Can you say that when it comes to male-female relations in the USA, men being men are getting fucked over? If you are so okay with the status quo in the sex prison, why do you even go to Colombia?
And one last thing: with the whole Corona thing, the real issue was whether Colombia banning international travel would stop the spread of the virus. I was accused of being against that that by Paulie because I wanted cheap pussy. I was told by you that it may cost money but it would save lives basically saying I was okay with dead people..[/QUOTE]See how easy that was? No need to mention your family wanting you to get married or your imaginary friend telling you how beautiful the women you see are, just one simple subject.
Let's start with Paulie. We haven't gotten along for over 3 years. Heck, this thread may have been started over our arguments. I'm not stabbing him in the back by stating something that everyone already knew. There are areas where we agree, however that doesn't make us buddies. If you want to have an argument with him, go right ahead.
I'll tell you what I'll do. I've got $1,000 sitting here waiting to be sent to wherever you want me to send it. All you have to do is link one post of mine, on ISG, where I have discussed Kamala Harris, Willie Brown or Robert Kraft. My money is safe, because I have never discussed any of them on any mongering board. I'm not absolutely certain (only 99.99% but I don't believe I've ever mentioned any of the above on my Facebook either. Why would I spend my time on a mongering board talking about any of them? Why would you? Why would anyone? For all I know all 3 are available for P4P, but none of them are my type.
Heck, I'll toss up another $1,000. Show me where I've stated on ISG that I'm 100% satisfied with the status quo in the US. Again, I'm risking nothing because that's not a discussion worth wasting time on, on a message board pertaining to seeking prostitution in foreign countries.
Honestly, why my opinion on interpersonal relationships in the US or any other country would be keeping you awake at night, boggles my mind. Do you also lie awake wondering whether I prefer creamy or crunchy peanut butter? How about whether I wear boxers or briefs? Why would any Alpha, excuse me, Omega male be concerned about trivial bullshit like that?
Follow up to that last question. Why would such a studly example of male dominance, such as yourself, be so concerned with the "I was right, you were wrong, neener, neener, neener" third grade crap? Haven't you ever watched an action movie? The alpha just utters some pithy line and walks away. Yippekayay motherfucker.
I believe that about covers it. I've never discussed the people you seem to be angry about me discussing. I've never stated an opinion on the subject you seem to be angry about me stating an opinion on, and I don't feel any need to discuss a subject that I stopped discussing 8 months ago.
However, it does my old heart good to know that all the alpha males spend so much of their time obsessed with me.
Good night John Boy.
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They say a picture paints 1000 words
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529643]Well, some of us are adults and some are you. You will probably get it if you ever grow up mentally.
I've looked at your posts and that's the problem, basically all of them are of you trying to pick a fight with other members.
I don't know if you're a liar or stupid / lazy but you're spreading false information.[/QUOTE]So let's allow the pictures to talk about you. Here are 3 screenshots. The first one is the first page of your most recent posts. I scrolled down past the ones in this thread, because anyone can easily see those. The second one is from the second page and the third is from the third page. With the second and third, I just cropped from the first post on the page. Obviously the full page wouldn't fit on one picture, but it seems to be representative of the types of posts you make.
Of course it wouldn't be fair to just show one side of the story. So the other 3 photos are basically the same thing, except from my posting history. The pics may not be in the order stated, but I think everyone can figure it out.
As I've said before, everyone can draw their own conclusions.
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UAE. What I learned
From what Shoo Bree seems to be insinuating, the UAE, United Arab Emirates is a mongering Mecca, which I thought was in Saudi Arabia. Since I'm always ready to learn, I decided to do a little bit of research. I must say I did learn a few things which surprised me.
The first thing I looked at was airfare. There's no sense in considering a place if it's going to cost half my budget to get there. That was my first surprise. At just over $1,000 round-trip, it's cheaper than I expected although still about double what I pay to Colombia. It's also 22 hours each way, compared to under 7 if I make good connections to Colombia.
Next up, is prostitution legal? Nope. Clearly it's widespread, readily available and tolerated, but not legal. That's not really a deal breaker, but something to keep in mind.
Next on my agenda, lodging. I didn't do any in depth search, I just punched in Abu Dhabi on Booking and listed the prices low to high. Wow! That was my next surprise. I was expecting a cheap room to be at least $75 per night, but there were many options for under $40. Still doesn't quite stack up to Colombia, where I can get by for under $30, but I am impressed. Even some 5 star places were very reasonable. Food prices also seem quite reasonable. Again, Colombia is much cheaper, but UAE beat my expectations.
Of course, the most important cost for a mongering trip is the price of pussy. For that, I spent a few minutes on the UAE board. I saw 3 prices given, one which I had to do some searching to interpret. Apparently a "red" is how guys refer to the 100 AED notes. The prices I saw were 1800,800 and 500, or $490, $218 and $136.
I'm sure there are lower and higher priced girls available, but even if 500 AED is the standard rate, it's easily double what I pay in Medellin. I can get roughly those prices in the US, although service in the US typically is poor.
One advantage UAE does have is variety. In Colombia you're limited to Colombians and Venezuelans, which are basically Colombians with thicker arepas. The UAE apparently gets girls from all over the world. That makes sense. If they can pull around $200 per trick and live cheaply, it's a good way to build a retirement fund.
My conclusion is that while the UAE probably isn't the number one choice for most mongers, it would be worth a visit if you were already in the area. Thank you Shoo Bree for inspiring me to read up on it.
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Excellent start
[QUOTE=Bblob69;2529701]Just came across this forum. I have mongered in Brazil and Germany before, hope Colombia is next, I am looking at Medellin and Cartagena. I RTFF, thanks to all of you who provided useful information, very much appreciated!
JjBee62, I did just that. Here are the last ten time stamps from your posts in the Colombia thread that I found informative. The point is they are all recent and helpful, so thank you for that!
02-07-21 08.24.
02-06-21 19.44.
02-05-21 23.07.
02-04-21 21.41.
02-04-21 21.36.
01-31-20 20.44.
01-30-20 15.29.
01-28-20 10.30..[/QUOTE]Stick with Jjbee, very helpful to lots of mongers, and very real person, anyone with eyes can see what's happening, he goes out of his way to help out everyone, thanks for taking the time to show everyone what's really going on, I hope lots more come to his defense, even though he's holding his own with no help needed with these Blowhards!
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529710]Heck, I'll toss up another $1,000. Show me where I've stated on ISG that I'm 100% satisfied with the status quo in the US.[/QUOTE]Then WTF are you defending Paulie for? And nothing on your being wrong on the travel ban?
So the reason you posted here was to be a stupid, smug, cantankerous dick. Got it.
I think your time is better spent sucking Fauci's dick.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529717]So let's allow the pictures to talk about you. Here are 3 screenshots. The first one is the first page of your most recent posts. I scrolled down past the ones in this thread, because anyone can easily see those. The second one is from the second page and the third is from the third page. With the second and third, I just cropped from the first post on the page. Obviously the full page wouldn't fit on one picture, but it seems to be representative of the types of posts you make.
Of course it wouldn't be fair to just show one side of the story. So the other 3 photos are basically the same thing, except from my posting history. The pics may not be in the order stated, but I think everyone can figure it out.
As I've said before, everyone can draw their own conclusions.[/QUOTE]Stop being so self delusional, there's a reason why you're the main "contributor" this thread: Stupid shit in Medellin.
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[QUOTE=Bblob69;2529701]Just came across this forum. I have mongered in Brazil and Germany before, hope Colombia is next, I am looking at Medellin and Cartagena. I RTFF, thanks to all of you who provided useful information, very much appreciated!
JjBee62, I did just that. Here are the last ten time stamps from your posts in the Colombia thread that I found informative. The point is they are all recent and helpful, so thank you for that!
02-07-21 08.24.
02-06-21 19.44.
02-05-21 23.07.
02-04-21 21.41.
02-04-21 21.36.
01-31-20 20.44.
01-30-20 15.29..[/QUOTE]I took a look at your posts and none of them contribute anything of value to this forum. You're pretty much the definition of a troll.
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He has a good start
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529897]I took a look at your posts and none of them contribute anything of value to this forum. You're pretty much the definition of a troll.[/QUOTE]If he follows jjbee advice and guidance, he will become a fine addition to form and will start to contribute lots of information after his first trip, can tell he's no dummy after taking time to do that comparison of who's who on here! Peach out, travel and stay safe!
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[QUOTE=RacShack;2529849]Stick with Jjbee, very helpful to lots of mongers, and very real person, anyone with eyes can see what's happening, he goes out of his way to help out everyone, thanks for taking the time to show everyone what's really going on, I hope lots more come to his defense, even though he's holding his own with no help needed with these Blowhards![/QUOTE]You're just saying that because I told everyone you were my novio. Jajaja.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2529872]Then WTF are you defending Paulie for? And nothing on your being wrong on the travel ban?
So the reason you posted here was to be a stupid, smug, cantankerous dick. Got it.
I think your time is better spent sucking Fauci's dick.[/QUOTE]So, with all of your obsessing about what I'm thinking and doing, you now want to imagine me engaging in homosexual acts? I guess, thanks? It's not often guys tell me they have homosexual fantasies about me.
Defending Paulie? Still working on that reading comprehension thing? Shoo Bree said this is a forum for mongering and you failed to see the irony?
I wasn't wrong on the travel ban. I never said the travel ban would stop the spread. I said that the travel ban would allow Colombia to better allocate their resources, so they didn't have to waste manpower with monitoring, quarantining and tracking foreign visitors.
Here's a question for you. You've said that everyone here has been fucked over by women? How is that possible? For you, for all the "I'm an alpha" guys, how is it possible for a woman to fuck you over?
For a person to fuck you over, they have to have power over you. The foundation of leadership clearly states that no person subservient to you can fuck you over. Didn't you know that? Do you have any idea what that means?
"You can delegate authority, you can't delegate responsibility."
Let's say you're Mr Alpha male for a troop of baboons. You send your beta males to watch and warn of predators. Yet, a Cheetah gets through and kills a pregnant female. Who's to blame?
You. The alpha, the leader. You delegated the watch, but you either didn't send out the best watchers, or you didn't send out enough. The responsibility falls on the leader, always. Too many failures and there will be a new leader.
I've never been fucked over by a woman. If a relationship fails, I accept the responsibility. I picked the wrong one, I didn't hold up my end of the deal, or I failed to provide the necessary environment for success. No woman has forced me into bed or into a relationship. Therefore, the decisions are mine. I accept that not all my decisions are correct. I don't spend months chasing after the woman begging her to come back (unlike some). I don't waste all my time telling everyone how ungrateful she was, or telling all her faults. I walk away and decide what I gained from the experience. I certainly don't pay to support her family before, during or after the relationship.
You keep calling me stupid. Don't you remember that I offered to settle that question once before? I'm more than willing to sit through the standard battery of aptitude test again. We both get tested, have the test results sent to a neutral third party and publish the results here. Why conjecture when it's so easy to get to the truth?
If you need more spank bank material, I'm laying in bed wearing only my underwear.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2529897]I took a look at your posts and none of them contribute anything of value to this forum. You're pretty much the definition of a troll.[/QUOTE]How did you do that? He only has one post.
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[QUOTE=RacShack;2529934]If he follows jjbee advice and guidance, he will become a fine addition to form and will start to contribute lots of information after his first trip, can tell he's no dummy after taking time to do that comparison of who's who on here! Peach out, travel and stay safe![/QUOTE]I'm still waiting for anyone to post a link or quote a post written by jb which contains information of value.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2529991]I wasn't wrong on the travel ban. I never said the travel ban would stop the spread. I said that the travel ban would allow Colombia to better allocate their resources, so they didn't have to waste manpower with monitoring, quarantining and tracking foreign visitors.[/QUOTE]LOL. Then why did Colombia lift it? It was worse last month than ever. And why did you go and selfishly stretch their resources? Do not answer that. You are too stupid to admit when you are wrong.
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Ha ha
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2530083]I'm still waiting for anyone to post a link or quote a post written by jb which contains information of value.[/QUOTE]Excellent you got it bud, to much to post! I'll send you a PM, you will be amazed by how much stuff!
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[QUOTE=RacShack;2529934]If he follows jjbee advice and guidance, he will become a fine addition to form and will start to contribute lots of information after his first trip, can tell he's no dummy after taking time to do that comparison of who's who on here! Peach out, travel and stay safe![/QUOTE]Haha, good joke!
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Absolutely
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2530083]I'm still waiting for anyone to post a link or quote a post written by jb which contains information of value.[/QUOTE]Absolutely buddy, I'll private message you all the valued stuff I've myself got from him, be on the lookout in your PM's bud!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2530083]I'm still waiting for anyone to post a link or quote a post written by jb which contains information of value.[/QUOTE]Well shit. Why didn't you say so? I've been waiting for you to post a link or quote a post written by you which contains any information on any city in Colombia. I expect I'll be seeing El Centro girls charging 300 k before that happens.
Here you go:
This one is an old one:
[QUOTE=jjbee62;2116467] First one.[/QUOTE]And another old one:
[QUOTE=jjbee62;2230406] Second one [/QUOTE]Another old one:
[QUOTE=jjbee62;2235654] Third one [/QUOTE]This is the old one I was trying to find with 1 follow-up reply:
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2230641] Fourth one [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Admin2;2240541]Agree 100% on the whole post but didn't want to quote it all again. Thanks for being such an asset to the forum.[/QUOTE]Now for a few more recent ones:
My only post selected for reports of distinction. I didn't expect it:
[QUOTE=jjbee62;2518698] Fifth one [/QUOTE]Another:
[QUOTE=jjbee62;2505847] Sixth one [/QUOTE]Is that enough? There are more and any honest person would just go to the various threads and read through. One easy tip is to just search the thread for jjbee and go to the posts where someone mentioned me. They aren't all good, but it's easy to see some exist.
Happy to be of help.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2530083]I'm still waiting for anyone to post a link or quote a post written by jb which contains information of value.[/QUOTE]Lets atleast be objective here. JB is one of the posters who gives out helpful advise. I don't always agree with everything he says, but he does articulate his point of view quite openly and is generally good with sharing his knowledge. Has he made mistakes, sure. I also think he has been open about them.
I think anyone claiming they went to MDE for any length of time and everything went perfectly is probably lying. We each monger with differing levels of risk tolerance and experimentation. I have long said this board is better when we share not just our positive but also our negative experiences as that's how you can be more knowlegable and avoid scams, criminals, tough situations, tough spaces etc.
Covid has made liars out of many people as it was an evolving and hitherto unknown pandemic. Its is absolutely justifiable to make rules based on the info available at the time and change according to the circumstances and evidence. That what the medial community has done.
To me it is utterly foolish that they don't allow people to travel with vaccine passports. Its incomprehensible that a couple of months into this vaccine roll out they don't have data about the true carrier status of individuals who have been vaccinated. They just don't have the will or desire to do that right now. So Elvis makes many valid points but he makes them in a manner that is difficult to agree with him, as this disease has much qualifiers and nuance. Politically, I think both sides have messed up, and as with most things we are such a polarized country that it makes sensible policy hard to achieve. IMHO 1) if you got vaccinated you can travel freely 2) everyone mask distance and sanitize out in public 3) all but large congregations over 10 disallowed
4) vaccinate as quickly as possible 5) ignore the variants for now and work on an update for 2021 6) let the economy open up fully within those parameters otherwise 6) focus the deficit spending on those that really need it.
So many opportunities missed.
Anyway, this is a mongering board, and covid should not be the topic. Unless it has to do with how you can get it while banging the chica. Its probably a higher risk than the usual STDs right now.
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Lol
[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2530328]Lets atleast be objective here. JB is one of the posters who gives out helpful advise.[/QUOTE]Yes that's undeniable but you don't owe Shoobree any explanations. His start in this forum involved stirring the pot across mongering threads, but he kept getting cited for violations, public warnings from staff while the content of his posts was removed. Then he found the open threads like this one. He's currently on several across a number of countries, and is sure to come along when a fight is brewing. He's never been to Colombia, never will go, probably couldn't even afford a one way ticket and only exists here based on the attention that someone decides to give him.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2530306]Well shit. Why didn't you say so? I've been waiting for you to post a link or quote a post written by you which contains any information on any city in Colombia. I expect I'll be seeing El Centro girls charging 300 k before that happens.
Here you go:
This one is an old one:
And another old one:
Another old one:
This is the old one I was trying to find with 1 follow-up reply:.[/QUOTE]Your post didn't contain any information about mongering at all. Your posts are a complete waste of bandwidth.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2530342]Yes that's undeniable but you don't owe Shoobree any explanations. His start in this forum involved stirring the pot across mongering threads, but he kept getting cited for violations, public warnings from staff while the content of his posts was removed. Then he found the open threads like this one. He's currently on several across a number of countries, and is sure to come along when a fight is brewing. He's never been to Colombia, never will go, probably couldn't even afford a one way ticket and only exists here based on the attention that someone decides to give him.[/QUOTE]That's an accurate description of yourself. Unlike you I have actually travelled and mongered pretty much all around the world, Colombia included. I'm still waiting for you to make a post about mongering which contains any useful information. People like you ruined this forum with personal attacks and childish comments about politics.
You're a hypocrite and if you took a look in the mirror that's what you would see.
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[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2530328]Covid has made liars out of many people as it was an evolving and hitherto unknown pandemic. Its is absolutely justifiable to make rules based on the info available at the time and change according to the circumstances and evidence. That what the medial community has done.
To me it is utterly foolish that they don't allow people to travel with vaccine passports. So Elvis makes many valid points but he makes them in a manner that is difficult to agree with him, as this disease has much qualifiers and nuance.
Anyway, this is a mongering board, and covid should not be the topic. Unless it has to do with how you can get it while banging the chica. Its probably a higher risk than the usual STDs right now.[/QUOTE]Good post, Gene. I agree it was hard to agree with me but look at JJBirdbrain's post. He says that the travel ban was justified because Colombia did not want to devote needed resources to chase around foreigners. You know how many people had Corona in Colombia when they announced the travel ban? 75. Now there has been as many as 21,000 cases in one day. Clearly, all the travel ban did was rob Colombia of desperately needed foreign capital and did not do spit to reduce the disease in the country.
If you did not want to agree with me and say Colombia listened to the medical advisers and "scientists" and implemented the travel ban and was wrong but succumbed to political pressure then fine. To say the travel ban was the right move now which JJBirbrain and Paulie the arrogant one are saying is absolutely bird brained. To stick with that POV now just shows how stupid they are.
And Gene are you right about the vaccine passport and saying that it should be known whether you can transmit the virus after getting the vaccine, but you are not politically correct. If people really understood how good the vaccine was, there would be even more pressure on the government to deliver it than there is now. I agree with you but your POV is not politically correct.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2530945]Good post, Gene. I agree it was hard to agree with me but look at JJBirdbrain's post. He says that the travel ban was justified because Colombia did not want to devote needed resources to chase around foreigners. You know how many people had Corona in Colombia when they announced the travel ban? 75. Now there has been as many as 21,000 cases in one day. Clearly, all the travel ban did was rob Colombia of desperately needed foreign capital and did not do spit to reduce the disease in the country.
If you did not want to agree with me and say Colombia listened to the medical advisers and "scientists" and implemented the travel ban and was wrong but succumbed to political pressure then fine. To say the travel ban was the right move now which JJBirbrain and Paulie the arrogant one are saying is absolutely bird brained. To stick with that POV now just shows how stupid they are.
And Gene are you right about the vaccine passport and saying that it should be known whether you can transmit the virus after getting the vaccine, but you are not politically correct. If people really understood how good the vaccine was, there would be even more pressure on the government to deliver it than there is now. I agree with you but your POV is not politically correct.[/QUOTE]There are times, like right now, when I seriously wonder if you're actually a 13 year old boy just beginning to struggle with puberty. Because frankly I can't understand why you are constantly acting like a child.
At the time Colombia instituted the travel ban, I said 2 things. I said that it freed up resources they could better use elsewhere. I also said that the government of Colombia was going to do what the government of Colombia chose to do and no matter how many temper tantrums you throw, it's not going to change anything.
One thing I did not say is that the travel ban would stop the spread of COVID-19. Why? Because the virus was already spreading in the country and there are a lot more people living in Colombia than are visiting Colombia.
At least 5 times I've told you that the lockdowns in Colombia were mostly ignored. At least 10 members, who were in Medellin at the time reported the same thing. However, apparently you believe that when the government of Colombia speaks, it's like E. F. Hutton. Everyone drops everything and does exactly what they say. I've got a bit of eye-opening information for you sunshine. It doesn't work like that. Up in the estrato 1 and 2 barrios everyone fills the streets and gripes about the rules. You think 2 Cops are riding up into Manrique to tell everyone to stay home? If they did someone would have a new green motorcycle and 2 cops would disappear.
Every night, all summer long they sat up there packing the streets and passing the bottle. And you can just about guarantee there weren't many gringos invited. Meanwhile you're declaring that lockdowns are ineffective (in Peru and Colombia, but are effective in New York. You say masks do no good and masks help stop the spread. You repeatedly said it's no worse than the flu. You predicted all travel would open up in July. You made fun of reports that the US death toll could exceed 80,000, 100,000, 200,000 and 400,000 and belittled anyone making those statements. Then you claimed a new variant in Peru was responsible even though no new variant has been discovered exclusive to Peru.
You jumped on every conspiracy theory like a kangaroo in heat. You told us it was fake and would go away after the election. You questioned if anyone died from Covid.
And you have the audacity to call me stupid. Come on brainiac. We'll set up independent aptitude testing with an impartial panel of judges and get a licensed professional to do the testing. If I remember correctly it takes about an hour.
Here's another chance to win $1000 of my money. All you have to do is score higher than me. Or should I start calling you scared Elvis?
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2531062]There are times, like right now, when I seriously wonder if you're actually a 13 year old boy just beginning to struggle with puberty. Because frankly I can't understand why you are constantly acting like a child.[/QUOTE]Really, let us see.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2531062]I also said that the government of Colombia was going to do what the government of Colombia chose to do and no matter how many temper tantrums you throw, it's not going to change anything.[/QUOTE]And that is why you thought I posted here? My God you are fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2531062]I said that it freed up resources they could better use elsewhere.[/QUOTE]And you think the travel ban saved Colombia money? Yeah, that explains why your broke ass goes to Colombia. You are literally the king of stupid shit in Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2531236]I was wondering if she is someone I know so PN sent me several face fotos when I asked for them.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested in petty squabbles I'd rather spend my time banging ho's. Sometimes I find it a right pain taking pics resizing them and it doesn't always work, especially so when you've been on a bender for a few days. At very least as a common courtesy before plagiarizing someone's pics just ask or acknowledge they're another BM's. It's the folks that are out there in the trenches reporting and providing pics that make this board so valuable and this is not the way to do it.
[QUOTE=DogLife;2531234]Not taking sides. But sometimes it happens that the chica sends us their pics in Whatsapp and we post them for reference within our mongering brotherhood with no intention of plagiarizing. Or checking of the same was posted by another monger brother.
It happened to me in a different board so know that's sometimes not intentional. Just repeatation.[/QUOTE]While that may be the case in certain circumstances I took the photos myself on my own phone and sent them to no one not even the girl and tipped her for the privelage.
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[QUOTE=JjBee62;2531062]You told us it was fake and would go away after the election. [/QUOTE]How often did we hear that tune from the Faux News faithful? It was no "pandemic" but a "plandemic" to pick on Trump. Its end after Nov 4. These sadly were too stupid to ever ask themselves, "Hey how did they get the whole world, every corner of the globe to get in on this hoax?" Plagues happen. If they'd just listened a little in Sunday school they'd have known that, much less 9th grade history class.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2531062] At least 5 times I've told you that the lockdowns in Colombia were mostly ignored. At least 10 members, who were in Medellin at the time reported the same thing. However, apparently you believe that when the government of Colombia speaks, it's like E. F. Hutton. Everyone drops everything and does exactly what they say. I've got a bit of eye-opening information for you sunshine. It doesn't work like that. Up in the estrato 1 and 2 barrios everyone fills the streets and gripes about the rules. You think 2 Cops are riding up into Manrique to tell everyone to stay home? If they did someone would have a new green motorcycle and 2 cops would disappear. [/QUOTE]I have an old friend whose into all the Covid denialism, anti-masking, etc. We stay off the subject, that and politics, but I see what he posts in FB. He linked some fringe study that compared a handful of Florida counties with mask mandates against others without, cherry picked of course, and the former had slightly higher Covid transmission rates. Then there's the triumphant punchline, "See there? Masks don't work!" LOL But of course the "study" is out of court before it begins because it doesn't measure compliance. I live in a Metropolitan area, large FL county, and there's a mask mandate which from day one has been a joke. The mayor said upfront that there would be no enforcement. The bars here have been packed since last May, especially the strip clubs and masks are virtually non-existent. The same goes for restaurants, and especially convenience stores where even the employees often aren't masked. You can bet that masks are cast aside for house parties. It should come as no surprise when we have a higher infection rate than some rural solid red counties with no mask mandates. But it's been demonstrated in a number of laboratory studies how masks, and even layered homemade ones, substantially hinder the spread of infectious droplets. That's the end of the argument for anyone who is even remotely interested in being honest with themselves.
As to Medellin, I stay in contact with a few strippers that work in the Centro clubs. Well, the girls aren't wearing masks, nor are the customers to any degree. This has been confirmed on a number of occasions since last fall.
If one wants to see the results of compliance then look at Thailand, Taiwan, New Zealand, among others.
Another excellent example would be Australia. That have it practically stamped out, are not fucking around. No deaths since October!
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/[/URL]
Total deaths since the start in Aussie land are 909 for a country with a population similar to that of Texas. And what is the Texas death toll? 41,406 as of right now. Such is the difference between following sound disease control policy and listening to fuck face opportunists like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. It's not rocket science people.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2531211]Really, let us see.
[/QUOTE]Elvis, this is my observation, when you talk about matters related to government, sometimes you don't judge matter at its own merit, you judge from your ideology's point of view. When people disagree with you on one thing, you sometimes generalize it being opposed to your whole ideology. That makes it difficult to have a civilized dialog in some instances.
Other than the above, your posts are great.
BTW, I think JB gave you a great nickname but that one you gave to JB is so so.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531243]I'm not interested in petty squabbles I'd rather spend my time banging ho's. Sometimes I find it a right pain taking pics resizing them and it doesn't always work, especially so when you've been on a bender for a few days. At very least as a common courtesy before plagiarizing someone's pics just ask or acknowledge they're another BM's. It's the folks that are out there in the trenches reporting and providing pics that make this board so valuable and this is not the way to do it.
While that may be the case in certain circumstances I took the photos myself on my own phone and sent them to no one not even the girl and tipped her for the privelage.[/QUOTE]This is where things get misconstrued, names are called, unnecessary grammar and titles are thrown at others all because you took one of my posts out of hand. If you have an issue with me personally, then I could understand, but we have never met therefore I find it strange that you took from my post that I am weird, I copy what you posted (which was a simple photo), that I was lazy, what I contribute has zero value, that I rip off other BM's because you find it difficult to resize photos on your phone because you were having a bender. That I am a plagiarizer and that I am not in the trenches, simply because you took the photo with your own phone and you tipped her for the photo's.
I have sat in Parque Botero for months not just days or hours, I have walked all over Centro from one end to the other, I have posted events and gave warnings to others about Centro and the robbing of foreigners and the gangs of Parque Botero that target foreigners, but none of that has value. Clearly you have a personal issue with me, my posts, and you find what I post as worthless and of little value. I apologize that you are tipping chicas for photos who would gladly do it for free, I am sorry that you do not know how to resize your photos on your phone, I am sorry that you think that I am weird, I am sorry that you think that I am lazy. So out of my empathy for you taking my post the wrong way, allow me to make It up to you by posting a few more pics from my recent visit! Pollo Negro is out!
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[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2531227]I made it known that the girl with the green hair now has blue hair, the green hair pic was a reference pic, and I never said I took the pic of her with green hair, I took the pic of her with blue hair. If you are offended my my usage of the pic, I apologize, but clearly you used the pic of blackman to find the girl in the park botero. It was never intended to make it seem as I was utilizing other pics to make it seem like I saw her with green hair. Once again if it offends you, I apologize, but I did indeed see the girl and enjoyed our time together, So hopefully that clears up any confusion. I am one BM who does not need to pad my numbers, trust me, if they are in or around Centro, I've banged them, know them, or seen them! Sorry for any confusion! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]This is my last word on it because as I said before, I don't come here for arguments. No you absolutely did not make it known that it was a reference pic, you just plagairzed another pic as if it was your own. Now your justifying stealing another person's content because I saw a $10 hooker on the street that I recognised from another BMs post, that's using another person's picture, my god are you high or something? What a clown. Don't use any more of my content without permission, I'm out.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531334]This is my last word on it because as I said before, I don't come here for arguments. No you absolutely did not make it known that it was a reference pic, you just plagairzed another pic as if it was your own. Now your justifying stealing another person's content because I saw a $10 hooker on the street that I recognised from another BMs post, that's using another person's picture, my god are you high or something? What a clown. Don't use any more of my content without permission, I'm out.[/QUOTE]I need you to tell me & the other BMs how you really feel? Glad she wasn't a phase dos chica! Pollo negro is out!
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531334]This is my last word on it because as I said before, I don't come here for arguments. No you absolutely did not make it known that it was a reference pic, you just plagairzed another pic as if it was your own. Now your justifying stealing another person's content because I saw a $10 hooker on the street that I recognised from another BMs post, that's using another person's picture, my god are you high or something? What a clown. Don't use any more of my content without permission, I'm out.[/QUOTE]I don't know why some guy I have never seen post here in the Medellin discussion before (dude may have-I am just saying I never remembered his posts) now feels the need to attack and accuse and pick a fight with one of the board members who contributes more good info here than anyone. It seems strange why the need to be the hero / cop / defender of justice of ISG? Stating you don't come here for arguments after starting one, then continuing and escalating one isn't helping or rational either. All this pettiness for something pretty innocuous that has been explained away-and was fairly easy to understand and didn't seem to have any bad intent behind it. Maybe a simple: could all of us be more mindful to credit photos appropriately and try to be more accurate with our details would have been more appropriate--not that the accused act mattered AT ALL in the big picture.
I thought the pic of the sexy dark skinned girl with green hair was probably her advertising photo that PN used as well or a photo she has sent out to multiple men. If it was a picture that 1 member took, and then another used: I think the person who originally took the photo should be the one to complain-and since that person didn't- then why is someone else chiming in? I mean if the dude who took the photo that someone else used (if that's what happened) wasnt bothered enough to post about it in public: why is anyone else? I don't know why another member feels the need to sustain an aggressive attack and turn a nothing burger into silly drama-that isn't needed, isn't helping, and doesn't even need to be a concern.
The important thing: black chick with green hair in the photo in question looks fine as hell in that photo--I'd like to encourage more pics of her to be shown here--and contact info sent to me in private if you guys have chicas looking like that for me LOL (only half serious). That pic gets me hard. I can only imagine what a few hours with her could do for my psyche.
I have learned as I get older: sometimes, just let stuff go, handle it in private, or find another way to deal--this whole over the top with moral outrage argument just seems like silly season distraction that doesn't help anyone. And is rooted somewhere else- and has nothing to do with some strange perception of 'justice' having been breached.
PN please keep posting as you always have. I think you are a helpful contributor to those of us in and out of MDE. And hopefully more in than out as times roll on. If you feel you could have been mor mindful about something--cool-you know that- and don't need anyone else to teach you how to behave LOL.
Everyone else: chill. Not everything is a thing. Nothing needs to be dramatized. Lets get back to chica talk.
On that note:
I have had 2 girls I banged last year sending me up close videos of their pussies and fingering themselves in recent days-out of the blue-unsolicited--both accompanied by messages asking when I am returning to pussy heaven (Medellin) and promising me special times when I am there. I think there is some desperation out there these days as several have told me times now are harder than ever. Coincidentally so am I!
Lets build each other up and focus on the bigger picture and better sexcapades!
Just Incognito it out!
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531334]This is my last word on it because as I said before, I don't come here for arguments. No you absolutely did not make it known that it was a reference pic, you just plagairzed another pic as if it was your own. Now your justifying stealing another person's content because I saw a $10 hooker on the street that I recognised from another BMs post, that's using another person's picture, my god are you high or something? What a clown. Don't use any more of my content without permission, I'm out.[/QUOTE]PN has given far too much intel on this board for you to insult like that. Like you said, time to move on, focus on those paisas!
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[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531221]PN, There is room for us all in MDE to have fun but I don't understand why you would use another BM's pics, that is just plain weird? Why not at least mention that the pic was taken by another BM because it brings into question what's real and what's not real in terms of what you have posted, I always try to avoid conflict on this board but I like to think that by going out of my way to provide reports and pics on the ground it benefits us all and is reciprocal and for someone to just copy what you have posted makes no sense at all, why do it,? It's just lazy and offers zero value. If you don't have something of value to contribute then don't rip pff other BM's posts.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PolloNegro;2531227]I made it known that the girl with the green hair now has blue hair, the green hair pic was a reference pic, and I never said I took the pic of her with green hair, I took the pic of her with blue hair. If you are offended my my usage of the pic, I apologize, but clearly you used the pic of blackman to find the girl in the park botero. It was never intended to make it seem as I was utilizing other pics to make it seem like I saw her with green hair. Once again if it offends you, I apologize, but I did indeed see the girl and enjoyed our time together, So hopefully that clears up any confusion. I am one BM who does not need to pad my numbers, trust me, if they are in or around Centro, I've banged them, know them, or seen them! Sorry for any confusion! Pollo negro is out![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DogLife;2531234]Not taking sides. But sometimes it happens that the chica sends us their pics in Whatsapp and we post them for reference within our mongering brotherhood with no intention of plagiarizing. Or checking of the same was posted by another monger brother.
It happened to me in a different board so know that's sometimes not intentional. Just repeatation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnnyO;2531243]I'm not interested in petty squabbles I'd rather spend my time banging ho's. Sometimes I find it a right pain taking pics resizing them and it doesn't always work, especially so when you've been on a bender for a few days. At very least as a common courtesy before plagiarizing someone's pics just ask or acknowledge they're another BM's. It's the folks that are out there in the trenches reporting and providing pics that make this board so valuable and this is not the way to do it.
While that may be the case in certain circumstances I took the photos myself on my own phone and sent them to no one not even the girl and tipped her for the privelage.[/QUOTE]JohnnyO, then please give it a rest, dios mio.
I know that girl and I have seen the private videos of PN, whom we have developed somewhat of a friendship over the past year plus, with that girl and trust me he knows her well.
If anything PN does not tell the whole story of how many women he does the nasty with, he is an animal hehehehe we have a number of chicas in common and let me just say that it is all truth, everything and even more than what he mentions on these boards.
Me too, I post about maybe 2% of what I do here in Medellin and this is on a good day. I like PN have no need to impress anyone just living life and enjoying every day here in Mede-land.
Much love and respect to all!
The Tall Man.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2531312]Elvis, this is my observation, when you talk about matters related to government, sometimes you don't judge matter at its own merit, you judge from your ideology's point of view. When people disagree with you on one thing, you sometimes generalize it being opposed to your whole ideology. That makes it difficult to have a civilized dialog in some instances. [/QUOTE]It's called brainwashed, as he has a head full of fanciful media sources, IE. Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs and the like, and is as detached from reality as those morons who breached the Capital. He also believes the election was stolen even though such claims were dismissed from the courts upwards of 60 times. Reasoning with someone like that is like trying to talk a Moonie out of their religion, and no, that's not hyperbole.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2531312]Other than the above, your posts are great. [/QUOTE]Let's hope you are being facetious.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2531312]Elvis, this is my observation, when you talk about matters related to government, sometimes you don't judge matter at its own merit, you judge from your ideology's point of view. When people disagree with you on one thing, you sometimes generalize it being opposed to your whole ideology. That makes it difficult to have a civilized dialog in some instances.[/QUOTE]Nounce,
I had six women lined up in Colombia all telling me of their troubles, and I ached in the loins dying to go see them. Anybody who posted anything that I felt got in the way may have been unfairly attacked. If I did that with you, I apologize.
I understand when governments have to make decisions particularly about controversial matters. My gift, which often is a curse, is that I see things more quickly than others. I will clap at a sports event about a good play before it has happened because of that anticipation. It is not always right, but before I understood my gift, I thought I was weird.
Anyway, I did go to Mexico to cure my Colombia blues certain I would never find somewhere as good. At first I looked at Mexico like hamburger in comparison to filet. But I should have invested more time in Mexico than whine about Colombia. Now I think of Colombia as a filet and Mexico as a porterhouse, a filet with a sirloin attached.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2531470]It's called brainwashed, as he has a head full of fanciful media sources, IE. Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs and the like, and is as detached from reality as those morons who breached the Capital. He also believes the election was stolen even though such claims were dismissed from the courts upwards of 60 times. Reasoning with someone like that is like trying to talk a Moonie out of their religion, and no, that's not hyperbole.
Let's hope you are being facetious.[/QUOTE]You've been brainwashed by the liberal media. You're just too stupid to realize that.