Non-Pro Garotas - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]I was happily married to a woman who's grandfather was a Naval Admiral during the Military Government and who's Uncle was the Governor (or Chief Torturer, depending on your politics) of Ceara. Background meaningless. The former spouse and her sister were night-and-day opposites. Be yourself whoever you are. Everything finds its own level, if eventually.[/QUOTE]I think you summarize it perfectly. You cannot simply lump "all" or "most" women into broad descriptive buckets based on their class, creed, etc.

[QUOTE=Hughdad]IMO, you have an overly simplistic and old world view of what is happening here and "these people".[/QUOTE]
You should re-read my posts in this thread. I've stated and re-stated that in emerging countries, and especially in Brasil where economy has improved dramatically since the 90's, no woman with a bit of self respect and confidence in her future does no more *easily* open her legs to a sex hungry tourist on a 15 days sex vacations. Contrarily to Sperto, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe,continually asserts ridiculous nonsense such as "it's status for the local girl to pick a gringo" (as in fact anyone with half a brain and knowing a bit emerging countries knows that it is a LOSS of status if local guys start considering a girl as a piranha who fuks sex-hungry foreigners), "they compete to catch the big fish" (the "big fish" being of course himself and his twin cheap woremongers), "Floripa girls are easy" or BS nonsense like that.

Unlike many here, I don't sell nor buy the caricatural and ridiculous image (old world view, to quote you) of a carefree third world paradise where hot sexually uninhibited women wait in line to drop off their panties for any sex-hungry foreigner - "big fish" - showing up. Sorry.

This being just a clarification. ;)

[QUOTE=Hughdad]I think you summarize it perfectly. You cannot simply lump "all" or "most" women into broad descriptive buckets based on their class, creed, etc.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hughdad] I can tell you that most of them are boring, self-absorbed, vapid, spoiled.[/QUOTE]
Humm. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Prosal]Contrarily to Sperto, a poorly dressed, stingy, boring, sweating trutinha, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe...
... Contrarily to most guys here, I don't "sell" the caricatural image of a carefree paradise where hot and sexually uninhibited women wait in line to drop off their panties for any sex-hungry gringo showing up.[/QUOTE]
Prosal crawled out again from his little hole to do some BS-preaching.
No need for me commenting on the Sperto-quotings which are taken out of their context.

[b]Summing up Prosal's preachings about brazilian non-pro's the result will be:[/b]
1. Brazilians non-pro's don't feel attracted to gringos.
2. Lower class non-pro's only stay with gringos out of interest, and never because of attraction.
3. Lower class non-pro's are not worthy Prosal.
4. Upper class non-pro's are very hard to get.
5. Upper class non-pro's are the only girls that Prosal go for.
6. In the old days Prosal did "more than 1000 ++ brazilian girls half of them being college party girls, nymphos, virgins, secretaries, executives, Varig or JAL air hostesses, gaucha or paranaense patricinhas in vacation".
7. Despite being a highroller in Brazil who pulled "Grade A" girls by the hundreds, he now moved his mongering to the "glamorous" FSU where he is the dude with the Rock Star status dressed in "Berluti shoes and Cortigiani shirt sitting at the corner, sipping Beluga vodka".
8. Prosal's dislike for everything in Brazil, specially the women, has nothing to do with him being badly burnt by a girl in Goiâinia to whom he sent thousands of euros.

To a stranger, who hasn't yet understood what you're full of, your preachings might seem a bit odd and contradictory. Practically no gringo at all have any chance to meet a brazilian non-pro... unless he is king Prosal. You're hilarious, Prosal. I heard that you were doing the same preaching in another forum, brazzilbrief, and you got kicked out of there. What a shame.

"ISG icon", that was funny too. One, of the many (thank's god), differences between us is that I participate in this forum for exchanging information. Your purpose to participate in this forum isn't for exchanging info. Your purpose, while not whining, is to strenghten your self confidence by creating a weird fantasy image of this character Prosal who is the god's gift to all rich model-type girls.

It was a nice move by Jackson to create this non-pro thread in the Brazil forum. I think we're many here who enjoys non-pro's and finds this thread useful. I do my best to contribute and so should you. Contributing doesn't mean personal attacks on any poster who has anything positive to say about non-pro hunting or happens to like girls regardless of she might be from a lower class. Also it's not much of a contribution in this thread to preach about FSU-girls.

Prosal, pull yourself together.

P.S Quoting Prosal is difficult as he keeps changing his post about every five minutes. Relax, you will win the Nobel Prize in mongering.

Whether a foreigner can score with a non-pro comes down to three factors:
1) is he attractive to women in his own country and able to score with them there (has game)
2) can he speak Portuguese
3) money

If you have no game and cannot speak Portuguese (especially with the economically challenged) then why is she with you?

Brazilian women of means often travel and speak English so being with a foreigner (who has game) would not put her in the category of a prostitute.

In Rio, the women who worry most about being thought of as a prostitute for being with a foreigner are non-GDPs in Copacabana and GDPs in the North Zone who bring a foreigner home.

In Brazil, a man who has game, speaks Portuguese and has money can write his own ticket with women at all economic levels. The issue that I see in many of the posts on this thread often speak more about the poster than about the topic.

[QUOTE=Prosal]Contrarily to Sperto, who in his grotesque and unconditional wish to publicize Brasil and to improve his position of "ISG Icon on brasilian Matters" wannabe, continually asserts ridiculous old world view nonsense such as "it's status for the local girl to pick a gringo" (as in fact anyone with half a brain and knowing a bit emerging countries knows that it is a LOSS of status if local guys start considering a girl as a piranha who fuks foreigners), "they compete to catch the big fish"(the "big fish" being of course himself and his twin woremongers), "Floripa girls are easy" or BS nonsense like that.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I think too.

I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).

In my opinion, it's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza (I'm sure Sperto can find a way to state that the problem is not with Fortaleza but with me..

I did score non-pros there (among whom a HB10 Brazilian tourist from another town) but it was really hard work. Despite the fact that a lot of pretty girls would seem attracted to me (from the way they were watching me and all), I could sense that they were really afraid by the fact that I was a gringo. There is way too much mass sexual tourism in Fortaleza for you to score pretty non-pros easily. The risk of being called a prostitute is too big for them.

Non-pros are very suspicious of gringos there.

If you got good Portuguese, some game, style and looks, don't go to Fortaleza or Rio for that matter, go to Brazilian tourism hot spots like Arraial d'Ajuda, Porto Seguro, etc. But even there, I don't think it is sooo easy to score good looking non-pros. And if you don't, you will have no p4p alternatives.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Whether a foreigner can score with a non-pro comes down to three factors:
1) is he attractive to women in his own country and able to score with them there (has game)
2) can he speak Portuguese
3) money


.[/QUOTE]

Bravo Exect Talent.

I think that this post sums up the matter. There's nothing to add unless maybe this small anectode concerning Brazilian women and Gringos

It's not true that Brazilian women (in general) are not attracted to Gringos (especially if they have blue eyes and blond hair).

I remember that I was once in a lounge in Rio (mid 80's) and there was an incredible mulata speaking with a Gringo (a Swiss-German). Obviously the guy was practcially unable to speak Portuguese and and was drunk and acting like a moron. When I saw this I said to myself «Here's my chance to cruise that mulata. I'm sure she will prefer me» (I was very arrogant then - and I still am ; - and I was looking like the former soccer star Socrates) I talked to her and ask her to spend the rest of the evening with me instead of with this moron. She kindly say no telling me that the Swiss-German was his husband!!!!

I was frustrated because I never had problems in my live (even today) to meet non-pros. I told that story to my Brazilian friends (at that time I was living in Rio). They all laughed at me and their answer was : You looked to Brazilian to her. Women here are attracted to Gringos.

THis was the situation in 1980. I guess it's the same thing today.

Yes, it's quite obvious that attractiveness/fitness/charm/confidence/game are important factors no matter wherever you look for a non-pro. In Brazil a good knowledge in portuguese will help a lot.

A big advantage in Brazil is that many women are attracted by gringos. Just like back home where I live many of the women are attracted by guys with latino-look or dark skin. Sometimes it's as simple as opposites (or at least someone different) attracts.

As repeated here several times, get away from the touristy areas. Brazil is enormous. If you don't want to try your luck in small villages you have 27 capitals to choose from. With few exceptions they all have a nice nightlife.

Assume you go to e g Rondônia, Rio Branco or Macapá. You will hardly see any other gringo. Because of this you'll don't risk having "sex-tourist" stamped in your forehead. This means that the girls won't get judged as piranhas because they stay with you. When you go out to a local club you will be an attraction. As I said before you'll be the big fish which the girls will compete for. This is just a simple fact. (I don't judge Prosal of getting upset of this statement, as I understand he never experienced it). IMO all this stuff about showing of as a high-roller is totally needless.

What information that could be useful to exchange or discuss in this thread is WHERE are good places for non-pro's. I'm sure there are quite a few of us who knows excellent non-pro cities all over Brazil.

The ones who only had the opportunity to know Rio might have good recommendations on clubs in Rio. Clubs that havn't been mentioned here. Clubs in Zona Norte, Niteroi or in the suburbs.

[QUOTE=Luka22]This is exactly what I think too.
I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).
In my opinion, it's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza (I'm sure Sperto can find a way to state that the problem is not with Fortaleza but with me..
I did score non-pros there (among whom a HB10 Brazilian tourist from another town) but it was really hard work. Despite the fact that a lot of pretty girls would seem attracted to me (from the way they were watching me and all), I could sense that they were really afraid by the fact that I was a gringo. There is way too much mass sexual tourism in Fortaleza for you to score pretty non-pros easily. The risk of being called a prostitute is too big for them.
Non-pros are very suspicious of gringos there.
If you got good Portuguese, some game, style and looks, don't go to Fortaleza or Rio for that matter, go to Brazilian tourism hot spots like Arraial d'Ajuda, Porto Seguro, etc. But even there, I don't think it is sooo easy to score good looking non-pros. And if you don't, you will have no p4p alternatives.[/QUOTE]
"It's very hard to score non-pros in Fortaleza"...

I could have said that I was surprised and felt sorry for your "bad luck", but I don't. Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.

Fortaleza is hard to score non-pro's? Tell that to all the Italians, Scandinavians and Dutch who have made Fortaleza their second home. They enjoy themselves with pro's and non-pro's, but they propably don't lack the basic factors for meeting women (females >18 years). Even Arraial d'Ajuda and Porto Seguro were hard to find what you were looking for? Well, that was good news again.

I think you should consider another destination for your type of mongering. I heard FSU has nice weather this time of the year. Maybe Prosal could guide you?

P.S No P4P alternatives in Arraial or Porto Seguro? Wrong again.

[QUOTE=Sperto] Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.[/QUOTE]hahaha sperto.

You just proved to me that you are a crazy liar not worth talking to.

I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.

I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)

Nice desperate try to disqualify my points though. Relax, book a flight to Brazil.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]The issue that I see in many of the posts on this thread often speak more about the poster than about the topic.[/QUOTE]

How very true.
Why do we even have a non pro section in the forum? Is it to massage the egos of those who think they are so much better than the rest that they don't have to pay? The brasil experts that look down on common sex tourists? A wise young woman in Rio once told me "there are no princesses in the game only those that think they are", likewise there are no kings in the world of mongering, but there are plenty of experts who know all the best places, get the cheapest prices and are so much better than us mere mortals. Truth is it's not about status, it's about enjoying yourself and having fun, and if you want to spend all your money doing it, it's your decision. The role of the professional monger should be to share information with his fellow pros, and enthusiastic amateurs, not to massage his own ego.

[QUOTE=Christopherd] After all, he might be buying the Veuve Cliquot. ;)
[/QUOTE]

What, no Cristal?

[QUOTE=Sperto] Actually after have read all your posts (some are now partly deleted, I know as I reported one of your posts) repeatingly asking about minors in Fortaleza I feel relieved and pleased to hear about your bad luck.[/QUOTE]Hahaha Sperto.

You just proved to me that you are a crazy liar not worth talking to.

I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.

I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)

Nice desperate try to disqualify my points though. Relax, book a flight to Brazil.

Sperto, as usual, your posts are spot on with the usual dose of humour, even if it's at the expense of a lesser fortunate brother in here, Monsieur Prosal (lesser fortunate in terms of his experiences with non pros that is). :)

I firmly believe and I have seen that times and times again that meeting non pros is and [b]can[/b] be easy if the person has at least one (preferably 2) of the following criterias:
a) speaks portuguese (and has enough cultural awareness about Brasil and its culture).
b) has [i]game[/i] or enough confidence to be man enough to approach Brasileiras who are used to be literally harassed 24/7 by the Brasileiros.
c) has good manners (ie being a gentleman).

Have at least two of the above and you're having a ball. Have all 3 and you're in your own harem, so to speak.

Latest example, a friend of mine just returned from Rio, it was his first time in Brasil. He doesn't speak much portuguese, just some basic Spanish, but he he is young, (early 30's), fit, has game and doesn't lack courage/confidence to approach women and has good manners. In 3 weeks in Rio, he mongered only once in L'uomo, and he banged 5 non pros with one Class A girl, who's a Phd student in Nutrition, with her own penthouse in Ipanema on Vieira Souto (she's a daddy's little girl, alright), her car and a 2nd home in Paraty. My friend spent a week with her. My friend is nowhere near the same level as her financially but she still went for him and they had a ball together. If anything, HE should be the one that should be labelled as the Piranha!LOL All in all, banging non pros, of all social strata is possible in Brasil/Rio provided one meets at least 2 of the above 3 traits I mentioned a little earlier.

So Monsieur Prosal, I'm very sorry to hear that you were not as fortunate as most of us here. And that clearly shows why you're so bitter about Brasil and Brasilian women. But women (from any social level in any country) can and will want to spend time with a man, for other reasons than just financial or any other types of gains. They want to have fun with an equally [i]legal[/i] man. Remember the popular 80's song by Cindy Lauper (sp?) "Girls just wanna have fun" LOL So chill out. If I may, and if I can allow myself the liberty of suggesting you a modest advice would be not to give all hope on Brasileiras., just yet! Give it one more try with an open heart. This time with all your worldly experience and cultural awareness coupled with your Portuguese linguistic skills and I'm not even mentionning your charm, you'd be a mega hit! Try it, you will not regret it...;)

One thing that I do agree with you is that yes, Brasil is a country which is heavily social/class conscious despite all the nice things you will hear in the midst of all these politically correct BS talks. Next time you're in Brasil, open your eyes a bit and you'll see it all around you. And if you do speak the lingo, try asking a few Brasileiros and Brasileiras about whether or not Brasilians are class conscious. You'd be for quite a shock.

Boa sorte meurmão.;)

Just wanting to add one more thing to my previous comment:
Sure there are interesseiras among the lower class girls, but there are also an increasingly large number of them who are very hard working, studying full time and working full time. And these women have something that cannot be bought and that is pride and honour. They will get upset if you pay for her dinner more than once. They will insist vehemently that they want to pay their way when you go out with them. Now, are all these type of women really sincere and not playing the good girl and waiting for the big pay day (ie marriage/visa to a European/NA country)? Perhaps. But that is where it is ubber crucial to make it clear with them right from the start that you have no intention of marriage/moving her to your country. That will weed out a lot of the interesseiras and other Maria Passaportes and leave you with the ones that are geniune and truly want to be with you for who you are. And that my friends, is where the real fun begins with a gigantic F and where the real essence and attraction and mysticism of Brasil is located IMHO!

[QUOTE=Luka22]I just came back from Fortaleza and read this from Sperto: "Fortaleza has the advantage of being very easy to score non-pro's", I really think this is the kind of wrong advertising that made me go to Fortaleza in the first place (and I would not go back there now.).[/QUOTE]
Wrong advertising? Has the forum turned into a travel agency with free p***y garanties regardless who seeks it? I have shared my information on many cities in Brazil. If somebody finds it useful, great. If somebody finds it worthless, I don't care, I'm not a bloody Lonely Planet.
[QUOTE=Luka22]I never asked about minors in Fortaleza or anywhere else.
I was saying that brazil seemed to have changed its law about legal age of consent in 2008. I'm not interested in minors (although you will surely continue to lie about that.)[/QUOTE]
Watch out for that growing Pinocchio nose.
The forum rules clearly says: "Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to any person(s) under the age of 18 years. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately."
Six posts from you (some deleted) eagerly trying to prove that the age of consent is 14 in Brazil. It shows clearly what your interests are. There is one type of mongers that really makes me sick.