LilJoey vs Climaxnow, Uke Boy, Muddy7, Barba, et al.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1277533]No need for ignore lists Prosal, once shills get called out on the forum they usually dissappear. They can't afford the negative publicity.[/QUOTE]Just because Uke Boy falsely lies and writes I'm a shill for Rio, doesn't mean it's so. That's all it takes for guys like you, is his say so? Why should your head be stuck up his ass so far, that facts don't matter to you? I am not and never have been a shill for anything. My recommendations were and are based solely on the facts of where the LEAST expensive top level p4p experience could be had. Do you deny the facts? Do you even know the facts?
After the demise of River Palace toward end of 2010, it's a fact that the Working Girls in the nightclubs like Avalon, Arena, Buddha Bar and when D'lux opened, in D'lux too, were reported to be asking very high prices of $400 and $500, and that was for 2 hours, and they wouldn't negotiate down to lower than $300/2 hours. No need to argue about it. Go look at the reports on this thread from the beginning of 2011 and onward. That's what was being reported. And that's also what I experienced being quoted by the seriously hot girls, the best looking WG's in the regular nightclubs in that period. And it's also a fact that Rio's price was lower at $300 for Three hours. Those are facts. You think someone is a shill for preferring a lower price? That's nonsense.
So once I decided where very hot 8+ girls could be easily found at the lowest rate, I tried to confront the problems you yourself just pointed out in your last post, and find the girls who were good enough looking, and did take out, as quickly as I could, and tried out strategies for interviewing girls all with a goal of getting the GFE experience we're all looking for (which includes BBBJ and DATY). I reported on my successes as well as my failures. Anyone who actually read my posts from the trips I took in 2011, would see the balance and obvious honesty of the presentation.
If in 2012 the prices in the nightclubs have Now come down from where they used to be reported as, as Cruiser D has stated, then I am the first to say that the nightclubs are a better starting point Price-wise than Rio. And guess what? I have said that. In writing. Right here on this thread. But I know that you have not read that, because you were too busy making up your closed mind to accept the mere accusations by Uke Boy, without looking at the facts, and so you decided to leave your head up his ass rather than read what I actually wrote.
If you are interested in the true facts and insight about which I have written in depth and detail, and for which I have received the appreciation of many, you may do so, or you may choose to deny yourself these resources, and follow the recommendations of Uke Boy on this thread. But oh, I forgot. There is not one shred of usable guidance for newbies posted on this thread by Uke Boy in the last year. His presence here has been largely obsessed with malicious confrontation with my posts in his vendetta against Rio. So I guess you will need to discover things on your own.
My recommendations have always been based on the facts of where one could most easily, with the least time waste, locate the hottest level WG's for the least money in Kiev. If it was at River Palace, that's where I went, and would have recommended to go. I wasn't posting in those days in 2010. When things changed, and Rio became the lower priced venue compared to the nightclubs, I started focussing on that venue. If things have changed again and very hot girls are available in the nightclubs at prices lower than Rio, then I am recommending trying the nightclubs first. I go with the facts.
Uke Boy, on the other hand, has a vendetta against Rio. I don't know why. Maybe they tossed him out once, or maybe one of the girls mistreated him. Who knows? Who cares? But for him, just mentioning the fact that the prices were lower in Rio than the nightclubs in 2011, which is a historical fact as reported on this thread on this forum, (you can go and read the reports as no one can fabricate and the record is there) is enough to set him off on his vendetta again. He has resorted to simply lying. He claims that I reported knowing in advance which girls would dance and when, which he then said was insider information. However you can search in vain for any such statement by me in the record. It doesn't exist. Only a record of truthful reporting by me exists in the record of this forum. But Uke Boy makes such statements which are simply false, because he knows it is too much for anyone to care about researching. He relies on the fact that some who didn't read the record will simply accept his words. But he is a LIAR. Let him produce a quote for his claim that I reported on which girl will dance and when in advance based on insider information, that couldn't be obtained by any customer. He can't produce such a quote from me because he is lying about it, and because he is attempting to mislead the readers of this forum by a campaign of slander and libel. It's harsh to say it, but Uke Boy has stepped over a line and should really be banned from this thread. His actions have truly damaged the corpus of valuable information in this thread. If Jackson cares about the quality of information here, let him do something.
As for me, I really don't care if a few mindless numbskulls aRe manipulated by guys like Uke Boy and miss out on reading good information and guidance. The more intelligent readers who have read my posts know that I have only written with the intent of being helpful to the newbies contemplating a trip to Kiev. The sheer breadth of information I have discussed, completely unrelated to Rio, should show a normal reader that Uke Boy is peddling bullshit.
Most of the newbies don't bother to read too far back anyways, so what I posted in 2011, won't be read by them anyways. And this year things are up in the air and changing from month to month. It could be, that after Euro 2012 effects settle down, we will enter an era in which the prices in the nightclubs frequented by WG's will be lower than the prices at strip clubs, as Cruiser D asserts currently, and like it was in the days of the River Palace. In such case, I will be trying the lower priced venues of the nightclubs first, just as I was going to River Palace in its day, and this whole argument over Rio will become moot. The facts are that I have never wrote anything that wasn't based on my own observations visiting the club as a customer.
My preference to only consider very pretty girls and not consider the more average type girls available for less money on mamba is simply because I wanted the best quality experience in Kiev even if it cost a little more, and I didn't have the time to waste anything many mamba girls that need to be invited and sent home because of the fake picture problems. So for situations where you can see the girl in advance, it was between the nightclubs, or the strip clubs. TheKnight had reported on the higher prices at other strip clubs, leaving Rio as the lower priced venue for such high level girls.
So to you, and others who would follow Uke Boy mindlessly in this silly idea that I have shilled for Rio, if you feel compelled to ignore my actual reason for going there, which was the lower prices and higher efficiency than the nightclub scene, then stay away from the strip clubs.
Lastly, Uke Boy postures himself that he likes chasing freebies for the thrill, and therefore has disdain for anyone who is looking for easy p4p with gorgeous girls. There are others who feel that way. They feel they are more of a man if they get a freebie, than if they pay for it in a p4p transaction. And it's ok to feel that way. Many men do. We all enjoy the more truthful and real responses of a woman who is with us as a freebie.
But it's not ok to be so intolerant of other members of this forum who are past that kind of limiting mentality on a mongering trip, and who are looking for good p4p, and want to get to the best pussy they can even if they must pay for it. That's what this forum is for. Mongering. P4p. Or didn't you know that.
Prosal said it best in his most recent post. Anyone who is a reader of this forum would know that Prosal is one of those members who much prefers the freebies chase. Yet he engages on this forum with others with respect. Different strokes for different folks.
Climaxnow, you said in your post that you attended Rio three times in three weeks and had the money to take out a girl, but you decided not to. It shows that while you may like the chase and freebies, that you would also consider p4p. That's like most of us. The fact that you didn't take out from Rio means that you don't speak about the girls' services with any Personal knowledge. It is false to state that you cannot get DATY or BBBJ from Rio girls. I know you are writing falsehoods because I have gotten DATY and I have gotten BBBJ. You misstate the problem. The problem is that there is no guarantee you will get such services from Every girl. But everyone knows that there is no guarantee to get these services from any girl in any of the Other nightclubs either. So what to do? That is why the selection process and the discussion about it in my posts and others posts is important and helpful. This issue will confront the monger no matter what venue he is pursuing, be it mamba girls, WG's in nightclubs or strip clubs, or even freebies to some extent.
LJ