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I have now moved this post from the Germany General Info to this new topic section
I want to take this opportunity to open this new version of the forum with some of the common questions that keep on being ask by new members a sort of FAQ.
Q What is FKK
A : The initials stand for Frie Korpur Kultur, which really means nudist or naturalist, but for readers of this site it all refers to some very popular clubs mostly in the Rhine Rhur region of Germany There are presently about 50 - 70 or more of these clubs some are better than others The general setup is you enter and are asked to pay a cover charge and can stay as long as you want (some clubs don’t charge entrance) you will be handed a locker key and will head for the shower\ changing room here you will undress and wrap a towel around your waist and if its your first time at the club the girl who met you at the door will show you around the club.
You will find the girls sitting on sofas in the club room usually in the better clubs completely naked with only high heels on .The men sit on the other side bidding their time and watching how the scene unfolds before deciding on ones choice.
You will see guys go over to the girls sit down beside her start chatting and before long you will see the girl reach under his towel and start to play with his thing and this often develops into a public BJ then usually they will leave to find a vacant room to continue the action.
Some of these clubs have some extremely attractive girls (even some 9 and 10) some who are very talented in sex this is usually limited to a half hour session which will include Fucking in multi poses BJ and BJJJ French Kissing and what ever (some allow anal for extra payment some require extra for BJJJ)
Once this is over you are expected to go and shower off before getting back to the main lounge area to continue all over again.
You are under no pressure to choose any girl and they are not pushy and you are the one to make the first move.
It’s all very safe and there is no Rip off in this place they want you to come back for more.
Q : I don’t speak German
A: That is no problem some of the girls speak a little English some more but it’s very easy to make oneself understood.
Q: I am of Asian \ Colored descent etc will I be allowed in these clubs
A: Yes as long as you look decently dressed are polite and not drunk you will be allowed entrance (its your money they want after all not you) some of these clubs don’t allow Turkish guys entrance as they have been known to be a bit rowdy and have caused trouble there are a lot of Turkish immigrants in Germany at present.
Q: What type of guys will you meet at these clubs?
A: Mostly middle and upper class guys business men you will see plenty of Mercs BMW and Porsches parked outside in Germany this scene is very popular and everyone is very friendly inside the club. But anonymity is the name of the game here.
Q : Where are these clubs located?
A: Mostly in industrial areas usually outside of the small towns in the Rhine \Rhur region
Q: How do I get to these clubs is there public transport
A: The best means is by Rental car but you will need a good map It is possible to visit some of these clubs on public transport but it will limit your time at the club as they close late and the transport stops early and you will waste a lot of time waiting for schedules.
Q: What are the opening hours
A: Varies from club to club but opening around Noon till midnight is norm a most are open six days a week some are open on Sunday.
Q: How much does it cost?
A: In the best clubs you will now pay about 50-75 Eu per session plus 50EU entrance but this also varies.
Q: Where can I find a list of these FKK clubs?
A: On this site under the now old archived section by just browsing the old posts. Or but logging on to one of these to great dedicated FKK sites
Kalues FKK guide in English
[url]http://www.cfit.com/fkk.htm[/url]
Or Faxxaff German FKK Club list
[url]http://travelsexguide.tv/germansexguide/fkk.htm[/url]
This is just a general view of the fantastic FKK scene and you will find that there are exceptions to these general rules.
This FKK scene is much better than the RLD in both Germany and Holland and much better value for money.
Have fun enjoy yourselves
Wizard
Ps The top two best FKK clubs are Atlantis and Oase both outside Frankfurt (about 40 KM )
here is another faq from my site ([url]www.cfit.com/fkk.htm[/url]) which may become usefull from time to time ;-))
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q: how does it work in a fkk club in general?
a: you ring the bell at the gate and someone opens the door. you'll be asked if it is your first time at this club. if not, they'll explain the rules to you (prices, busines hours etc.). a girl will show you the locker room and after you andress (you'll walk aroand naked in the club or at most with a towel aroand your hips) and take a shower, often this girl will also show you aroand the club. then you'll sit in the club room (the room where all the girls are sitting). now it's your turn to make your choice and to go over to the girl you fancy or call or wave her over. now you'll have a more or less intense foreplay on the sofa before you go to the room for the main event. after you're done you can take a shower and stay for another session or leave the club. usually you'll settle the bill when you leave the club.
q: in their advertisement the clubs often write for example 45/80/120. what does it mean?
a: it's a special deal. for one session in the example you'll have to pay 45 €, for two sessions 80 € and 120 € for three sessions. be aware that most clubs want you do decide before you party which plan you want and at that point you haven't seen any girl except maybe the one who opened the door.
q: some clubs write 'kein eintritt' (no entrance fee). is there a trick?
a: sometimes yes. in some places they'll charge you about 25 € if you leave the place without having a session with a girl. it's a good idea to ask beforehand.
q: can i have some smalltalk with the girls without getting stuck?
a: sure you can, as long as you don't sit right on her lap. seriously, if you sit next to a girl and try to do some conversation, it's fine. as soon as the girl starts touching you or vice versa, you signed the contract. if you don't want to go to the room with the girl don't touch her, point out that you just wanted to be nice and have a conversation when she starts touching you. sun leave a little distance between the girl and you and don't overdo it regarding time for smalltalk.
q: is it possible that a girl refuses a guest, if they don't like their nose?
a: on principle, yes, but none of the girls usually would do it without a good reason (e.g. body odour, alcohol). because of his paunch or because of his bow legs nobody has been refused so far.
q: i am overweight and don't feel comfortable walking around naked in a fkk club.
a: don't panic, you are not alone with this problem and i think the girls like a nice big guy better than a slim stupid bastard.
q: what about anonymity?
a: as opposed to the girls in apartments, you'll have no chance to avoid other guests. everybody can see who's comming in, leaving and hanging around in the club room. but noone cares who you are.
q: should i tell her that i'm a first timer or shouldn't i, if a girl asks?
a: be honest and tell her the truth. because of the transparency of prices and service it is very unlikely that a girl tries to rip you off, somone would notice it. besides the girl can adapt to the special situation.
q: in principle i finish very quick the first time. what can i do?
a: like always, talk to the girl, tell her that she should take it slow. if she doesn't know, she can not act accordingly. if she responds to your wish, you also know that you made the right choice ;-)
q: what can i do if i'm not satisfied with the girl?
a: if the service promised (by advertising or by the girl)was not offered, the management of the club usually is happy, when you inform the bartender. you should be carefull with your decision whether you should or you shouldn't complain. i only do it in very obvious cases, otherwise i don't visit the girl again and write a report on the messageboards.
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some special hints resulting from what i learned over the past years:
ask how many girls are in before you enter the club or give them a phone call before you drive there (mostly it's very unlikely that they'll cheat you).
take your time and spend at least one hour in the club room. calculate how many girls must be in the room or somewhere else and wait for them. remember, the most attractive or skilled girls are usually the bussiest ones and spend a lot of time in the room.
observe what the girls are doing with their guests right here on the sofa. do they hurry, do they kiss, do they try to conduct a conversation and so on.
when you've put an eye on a girl and she's just going to the room with another guest: have a look at your wristwatch and check how long she was to the room with the guest. it's no guarantee, because maybe the guest finished very fast (nevertheless the good girls will spend the full time in the room). maybe check the expression on customers face fierce or smile?
most of the good clubs don't allow the girls to approach you by themselves. if a girl does this in an agressive manner, don't go to the room with her. tell her with a smile that you don't want to join her at the moment and that you still need some time. there is always an exception to a rule: if you have the impression that all girls have this sales pitch. stick with the one who was the most charming one and is still friendly to you after you send her away and maybe still smiling when she is passing by.
if a girl doesn't offer a service in the clubroom e.g. kisses, it is very unlikely that she'll do it in the room. in case of doubt ask in time.
if you are not sure for example which service is included in the price and what is an extra, ask the bartender or the girl. that helps avoiding unnecessary discussions (usually it's of no use anyways), when something goes wrong in the room or you didn't get what you wanted or if they bill you more money for the time you spend with the girl than you calculated.
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some do/don't do hints:
take shower when you arrive in the club and after a session with a girl (what you expect the girls to do, they should expect from you)
keep your fingernails short,clean and nicely done, at least if you like fingering the girls
have a good shave before you go to the club
brush your teeth and use a mint before you go over to the girl, especially if you are a smoker
don't ask the girl: where she lives, if she has a boyfriend, why she is working there and other questions regarding her privacy (if she starts talking about that by herself, then it's fine)
if you realize that the girl doesn't like what you are doing, stop doing it. if you continue, you'll only ruin the situation
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glossary:
some explanations regarding expressions often used in the advertisement of clubs and girls in german magazines and newspapers.
zungenküsse - french kissing
französisch total* - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth
französisch mit aufnahme - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she won't swallow
französisch mit schlucken - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she will swallow
französisch beiderseits - the sixtynine position
französisch pur - blow job without condom
verkehr - intercourse
gesichtsbesamung - cumshot in the girls face
körperbesamung - cumshot on the girls body
natursekt (short ns) - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url]
* often this is subject to discussion. there are also other expressions like 'französisch perfekt' and
'französisch optimal'. it is a good idea to ask in advance and explicitly ask the girl if you can come in her mouth. some have a different interpretation of this service, depending on how they name it.
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that's all folks!!!
cu
kaleu
Are there any clubs in the Dysseldorf or aachen area where there are black girls?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oskar
[i]Are there any clubs in the Dysseldorf or aachen area where there are black girls? [/i][/QUOTE]
That's also always my problem. Until a few years ago, my impression is, that there where more black girls around in the FKK scene.
- There is one black, named Naomi, working at Blue Note in Düsseldorf.
- Dolce Vita in Düsseldorf has most of the time 1 or 2 black girls, I don't know any of them
- Planet Happy Garden also has a few black girls Cathrine (Kenia), Daniela (Brazil, top act in my opinion), Mary, Quisha, Sharon (Ghana)
The problem for you, at least if you're not living in Germany, is as follows: The girls in clubs change often, that means, what I write here, can be wrong tomorrow. Nevertheless the chance to run into a black girl is highest in Planet Happy Garden, but most girls there are working only a couple of days per week and not every day.
Happy Hunting ;)
cu
kaleu
Kaleu thanks for the inf.
Where is Planet Happy Garden. I saw no posts in that area. Oedt it was written. Where is that. Close to what city? Are the rules the same thare as what I read about for Dolce Vita? Do you know if they are open on Sundays?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oskar
[i]Kaleu thanks for the inf.
Where is Planet Happy Garden. I saw no posts in that area. Oedt it was written. Where is that. Close to what city? Are the rules the same thare as what I read about for Dolce Vita? Do you know if they are open on Sundays? [/i][/QUOTE]
PHG is about 30 minutes from Düsseldorf by car. They are open on Sundays.
Find prices, adress, phone number and a link to a map here:
[url]http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/english/detail-en.php?area=Viersen&file_name=happy-garden[/url]
Which rules you mean? You means regarding black girls from Africa? If so, yes, that's true for allmost all hookers from Africa in Germany. Aggressive and the service is sometimes rude and not a girlfriend experience at all (I know three exceptions: Angela from Senegal at Atlantis, Naomi at Blue Note and Joyce from Camerun? in Wildenrath).
PHG itself is one of the good clubs in this area. There are a few girls who will aproach you, forget them.
cu
kaleu
I know what a BJ is but what is a BBBJ and a BJJJ or any of the other abbreviations I may not have seen yet?
Jackson,
Thanks for you excellent explanation of FKKs. I would be very interested in knowing a bit more of the history of these establishments. Part of the reason I am asking is that I have experienced similar arrangements in New York, Florida and Rio, excepting that in those locations there is no "per girl" price. You simply pay the entrance fee and have all the sex you want (or can stand, as the case may be).
I am also interested in knowing a bit more about the "typical" girl at an FKK. In Rio and in New York they were, bluntly stated, "working girls." In Florida, however, they were big time nymphomaniacs -- "ordinary" women with EXCEPTIONAL sex appetites -- which is to say, MY kinda of gal!
By the way, the club in Florida (Ft. Lauderdale to be precise) no longer exists. It closed years ago. But it was also advertised as a "nudist" camp. I happened upon it entirely by accident. Perhaps the Floridians got the idea from the FKKs (or vice versa).
In any event, the girls there were very real people. With REAL jobs -- and, naturally, some of the hang-ups that come with the stress of holding down a "real" job. But they were, as a rule, very congenial and often quite interesting. Few if any "10s" but their personalties were a welcome relief from the "I'm a lady, I don't that" attitude. They just liked sex. Lots of it. More than any reasonable man has the right to expect, to be honest.
My offhand impression is that most of the girls in an FKK are closer to the girls I met in Rio. I've never been to a German FKK, but I have this "vision" of them as a chock full of very desperate Eastern European (Poles, Slavs, Russian -- with a sprinkling of European African, Asian and Latin "desparadas") ... looking for some relief from nigh certain poverty at home and a promise of a brighter Europe in Germany. Have you found that they have become dishearteningly cynical? Is that the kind of sex one is to expect? Or is it that the "unhurried" environment make you feel that can have more?
I'm curious about that, and would appreciate your response. Thanks.
BBBJ = Bare Back Blow Job = BJ without condom
cu
kaleu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WindStar
[i] Part of the reason I am asking is that I have experienced similar arrangements in New York, Florida and Rio, excepting that in those locations there is no "per girl" price. You simply pay the entrance fee and have all the sex you want (or can stand, as the case may be).
brighter Europe in Germany. Have you found that they have become dishearteningly cynical? Is that the kind of sex one is to expect? Or is it that the "unhurried" environment make you feel that can have more?
[/i][/QUOTE]
The FKKs in Germany can be compared with the "Thermas" in Rio, which have more or less the same concept. You pay per girl, you go to a room with the girl, you walk around with a towel around your hipps or wearing a bath-robe.
What you mention can be compared with the German Partytreffs. You pay once and eat it all :) BUT the difference is, that this is more the group sex stuff, you'll most likely have no privacy, there are always other couples around you, but that's the area, where Wiz has more expertise.
Regarding the girls: I found over the past 5 or 6 years spending in FKKs, that there is a wide variety of girls around in these clubs. You'll have always to take into account, that these girls work there to earn money and you are only buying an illusion.
Bad illusion:
You'll find girls who just work there and do their job, not more, not less.
You'll find the ripp-off girls, which try to overcharge you, ask for champagne...
-> disappointed customer :(
Good illusion
You'll find the sweet, little girl-friend-sex type of women
You'll find the wild banshee type of girls
You'll also sometimes find a girl which seems to enjoy beeing together with you (at least she gives you the illusion ;) )
-> Happy customers :D who will return
When I look at the good FKKs, most of the time you'll find the "Good Illusion" girls (don't forget the chemistry between the girl and you, that's a very important factor) and most of the time the prices in these clubs are slightly higher. Especially in the low price clubs with prices around 35 or 40 € per 20 minutes session, it should be obvious, that you cannot expect all bells and whistles when you are in the room with the girl. But, also in these clubs, I found sometimes very good girls and had a great time with them, but I think that'll only work for regulars.
In general you can say, paying a little more if you where satisfied with the girl or tell her that you have time and want to do more than the cheap standard session with her, you are on the winner side most of the time and get much better service. Some girls will start asking for other extras, that's the point you'll know, that you ran into a sales pitch ;)
Some thoughts regarding the "I have plenty of money, I can pay everything" attitude of some Americans spending their time in German FKKs. If you are satisfied with a girl, give a little extra (a little extra does not mean double the price of the session). You'll ruin the prices. If you take a look at Rio, Thailand, Philipines, Jamaica, that has already happened in some places (not only because of Americans of course ;) )
That's it for today!
cu
kaleu
WindStar from what you wrote and seem to be looking for ie private girls nypho's and GFE plus all you can eat action only paying for entry .the partytreff scene sounds like its what you are looking for .As long as you dont mind the more public sex that goes along with these clubs .
Read my FAQ in the Partytreff section to find out if it suits you or not .
Some clubs have a bit more privacy than others in the form of very dark rooms or some have maybe one room with a door with a lock .
You will often find couples come to these clubs because the husband cannnot satisfy his horny wifes needs and here she can get all she wants and more .
Also I have often found single women who go there just to get their brains F*cked out at these clubs.
Mind you the looks in these clubs varies from 2-10 and age 18-70+ and you will have to use your charm to make your self popular with the ladies.
The best stratergy is to make freinds and chat up the hubby of any woman who steals your fancy and if you hit it off you will eventually asked 'Do you want to F*ck my wife"? and the rest is up to you .
Windstar, we must live in parallel dimensions or something, I live in New York City, and there is nothing like a German FKK in the New York metropolitan area. If there is please tell me where I can find it because I really need to get laid badly. I think i might have and idea of the type of club in New York you are talking about, its Acquiesce, right?? That place is a shithole, and its a really big shithole compared to an German FKK. Windstar, imagine this, try to picture a club where the women were attractive at worst and Supermodel Gorgeous at best, in fact, imagine a club where half the women were Supermodel Playboy quality, there are literally hundreds of clubs like this in Germany. That's what an FKK club is like. It is filled with gorgeous NUDE women who are only there for one thing, to please you. And on top of it, the cost is really affordable, for two reasons, the FKK business is highly competitive, the customers not the women and the brothels run the market(this is a complete turnaround from America where the *****s charge whatever they feel like charging), second, there are literally millions of beautiful women in Europe that work in the adult industry, third, the reason so many work in this industry is that sex is a natural thing in Europe, and there is nothing to be ashamed of in having sex for pleasure. There is no cynical attitude with the FKK, most women are young college aged students just trying to make ends meet. There are also some albeit older(late 20's, early 30's) ladies who work professionally but they do not feel oppressed in any way, shape, or form. The quality of German FKK women is a world above the chicks with dicks and neurotics of New York City, there is 0 cynicism with most FKK women, they really enjoy what they do and feel nothing wrong with it. As for the Eastern European women who work at the clubs, I don't know, most do it cause its quick money. Like I mentioned before, the attitude towards sex and prostitution in Europe is much more relaxed than it is in the prudish Bible loving USA. Sex is a natural thing in this part of the world not something dirty, and therefore the women will fulfill many of your dirtiest and wildest fantasies. In other words be prepared to be AMAZED. By the way women of FKK quality would charge you through the nose to fuck them in New York or elsewhere in the States, like ten times as much money or even more, that is, if your lucky enough to find someone of that quality in NYC, personally I have not been able to find that FKK quality woman in New York since I returned from Germany last year. There was one or two who came close while I was taking a walk from work this afternoon but they weren't up to par.
Of Atlantis, Oase, or Dolce Vita which is the closest and easiest to get to from Frankfurt Main Hbf using public transportation?
After reading the boards, these 3 seem to be the top choices in the area, right?
I appreciate the help,
Brownie
[QUOTE]Originally posted by brownie
[i]...Atlantis, Oase, or Dolce Vita...
After reading the boards, these 3 seem to be the top choices in the area, right?[/i][/QUOTE]
Atlantis and Oase are near Frankfurt, Dolce Vita is in Düsseldorf, that's about 230 km north-northwest of Frankfurt!!!
Dolce Vita can absolutely not be compared with Atlantis or Oase, that would be comparing Basketball College League and NBA.
In the area around Düsseldorf/Cologne there are at least 3 clubs where the service of the girls is usually better. Namely Babylon, Planet Happy Garden and Bernd's Saunaclub in Lichtenberg.
cu
kaleu
I would like to add that F35 FKK club is also in Frankfurt and while it still isnt in the same league as Atlantis and Oase (as to club size and quantity of girls) if you are staying in or around Frankfurt and you have the time it might be worth your while to visit this club too .
Wizard
Wizard and Kaleu, I got a question for you, some jerk on another board said he went to both Atlantis and Oase near Frankfurt and said the quality of the women at the clubs were poor. He said that the women were "scary" and had indications that they were heavy drug users with needle marks. In addition he said that out of the 60 or so women in Atlantis, there was only one he would rank a 7 and that Oase had no attractive girls. The posting was quite troubling to read. I visited both places almost a year ago, and thought they were extremely good quality. Now I know that the quality of the clubs fluctuate all the time, but its hard to believe that these clubs would go completely downhill in such a short time. Have either of you guys been to either club lately? Are there still plenty of hot women at the clubs? Is this guy who said that the clubs had ugly and unattractive women full of shit?
wizard and kaleu
thanks for the advice. i will probably visit atlantis in the upcoming weeks since it seems to have gotten better reviews lately.
brownie
Has anyone been to Babylon lately? I heard the price structure is different. Now it supposed to be 30 Euros for entrance and 80 Euros for a session. It used to be 100DM for a session which was 50 Euros. Do you get a longer a session with this new 80 Euro fee? Are all the 'extras' include? Anyone who could answer this I would appreciate it.
@CBGB
30€ entrance
80€ First Session
65€ each session after that
This price structure has led to a boycott on many of the german forums.
The session is just as long and the same standard as before (BBBJ and French Kissing is standard here). They let the girls determine the pricing structure, and these girls aren't exactly marketing majors. They think if they charge more they earn more. they are just pricing themselves out of the market.
Anyway I think Germany's FKK scene is an excellent bargain, especially in comparison to Amsterdam, most FKK women I find to be actually more attractive than the women in Amsterdam, and they provide much better service. The icing on the cake is the fact that you don't have a bunch of drunk British hooligans in Germany like you do in Amsterdam. Those British act like they have never seen a beautiful woman before and visiting Britain I couldn't blame them. The UK must have the fattest women on the planet.
Hi,
I will be in Frankfurt in October, and I will be staying near from the main (central) train station .....
Which is the closest FKK ?
and which is the best ?
also the best time to go ??
Thanks .....
OzGuy.
@Oz
Are you visiting every single country in Europe? At least you are posting everywhere! Have you f**ked all the girls in Australia already? Pretty impressive for 29!
Don't ask this question again. there is no clear answer to which one is the best if you are in Frankfurt. F35, Atlantis, Oase, and Fantasyland are all within 45 Minutes of Downtown by Car. If you don't have access to a car it is a different story. I would advise renting one, you can get pretty good deals in case you can't claim it for the company.
For Sheer volume of great girls...Atlantis, hands down. I get a somewhat unpersonal feeling from this place in the meantime (sort of RLD feeling, but better service) (By the way somewhere you said that you were told to stay away from the RLD in Frankfurt, but you plan on heading to the one in Amsterdam. The RLD in Frankfurt is certainly better than the one in A'dam. The Women in Frankfurt offer a fair service, no fake BJ's and such. This is what you get in Hamburg. The service and selection in Frankfurt around the trein station is at least as good as in A'dam and no drunken brits and American College kids.)
For Tonnes of girls and a great outdoor area, as well as a pretty good XXX theatre (where you can enjoy live company)...Oasis
I have no experience in F35, but it is right in town.
My favourite for atmosphere is Fantasyland in Gorgeshausen. They only have 15-20 girls even at peak times, but they also rarely have 50-80 men like Oase or Atlantis. If you go to Fantasyland then you get a great buffet.
For me it is a question of what time of day and what day of the week you have time and what you are looking for.
If you want to go to the biggest and most impressive, then head to Atlantis on a weekend evening. I went once midweek afternoon and the choice of women was horrible.
If you only have a short amount of time go to F35, because it is only 10 minutes from downtown.
If you want a lot of chicks on a sunny day and want to enjoy the weather too, then Oase.
If you can leave frankfurt by 1PM and want to have a wellness day with some pretty hot chicks and a little bit of sex in between head to Fantasyland.
Check out Kaleu's site for more detailed info as to where thes clubs are exactly. Use Map24 or Mapblast for directions that have gotten me to almost all of the clubs (Oase is the most difficult)
German women could really teach American women a lesson on how to make a man happy. I swear this country has some of the most beautiful and friendly women on the planet. The average woman I see in Germany is FAR MORE beautiful than the average American woman and much more friendly as well. I was brainwashed as a child in America to think that Germans were bad, evil, and cold hearted people. Visiting Germany, I know the reality, it's America thats a cold and dark place today and Germany that is a warm and human place.
I am booked to go to Germany between 20-28 of September 2002 and have already planned a good itinary of some old and new places to visit(moslty partytreff type but I may do a few FKK's as well)
My plan was to travel on my own but I am open to offers from anyone on this board who is intresting in joining me and take advantage of my expertise and company in return share the expences (Car Rental Gas Hotel etc) as well as a small fee for my guidance.
I can only travel on the above dates but would be willing to take any intrested members on a day to day basis during this week.
So if there is anybody out there who is able to travel at that time and is looking for an experince of a life time they should contact me offlist at
[email]pinbo8@hotmail.com[/email]
And we can TRY and work somthing out that will be benificial for all .
Wizard
I am coming to Cologne in two weeks time and would like to know which are the best FKK's. I would also like to know what to expect, ask for and how much it is likely to cost. It is my first time in Germany so have no experience at all!
Thanks WW
I just want to let everyone in this forum know that I have given up the hobby as of today. I have a non-sexual health scare which is causing me to make this decision. I wish you all the best on your further hunting pursuits.
If any of you are religious people please say a prayer or a couple for me.
Peter
@wickedwilly->>
What to expect: [url]http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/english/faq-en.htm[/url]
and read reports in this board.
Prices: [url]http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/fkk-en.htm[/url]
cu
kaleu
The best board,like this here word wild wide,is for germany
www.hurenforen.to
There you can catch all the information that you need.
It's mainly about frankfurt,hannover,berlin,hamburg...
Manolo
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Manolo
[i]The best board,like this here word wild wide,is for germany
www.hurenforen.to
There you can catch all the information that you need.
It's mainly about frankfurt,hannover,berlin,hamburg...
Manolo [/i][/QUOTE]
It's a good board, at least if you understand some German and if you are not afraid of very explicit postings and sometimes rude words.
For FKK clubs, I think it's a good idea also to check out [url]http://www.roemerforum.de/[/url]
In my opinion the postings there have much more class.
They are using different adult verification systems. One of them (Über18) is for free and you can also register using an American ID Card.
cu
kaleu
I've been a frequent visitor of the more upscale Termas in Rio de Janeiro for many years and I think they're one of the best brothel concepts in the world. It sounds like FKK Clubs are another great concept in that league and I'm looking forward to visiting several of them later this month.
One thing I like about the Termas is the fact that they at least advertise that they have the girls undergo weekly STD / HIV tests. Whether they do this and how strict they are about it is open for debate, but one can see that they would have a long term business incentive to implement this policy. And this assurance is at least a little more than you get from a hooker at a pick-up bar.
My question is: Do FKK Clubs also at least advertise that their girls are regularly checked for STD's / HIV ? I know registered prostitutes in Austria undergo weekly health exams, are registered prostitutes in Germany required to do the same?
Hulk, in answer to your question, the clubs are required by law to have their employees tested regularly. FKK's are somewhat similar to Thermas, actually they are pretty much the same. The women, though tend to be more international, you meet a lot of women from all over Europe, a lot of South American women, a lot of Middle Eastern ladies and a few Asian and African women. So at most FKK's you have all sorts of ladies to fulfill your fantasies. And the great thing is that there are 100's of them in Germany, they are constantly opening and closing and there a lot of women who get into and out of the business, so there is a lot of variety.
For me at FKK clubs I gravitate towards the Turkish women, they seem to be really relaxed with regards to sex and unbelievably beautiful. In my experiences they tend to be the most friendly and beautiful women at these clubs.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
[i]the clubs are required by law to have their employees tested regularly. [/i][/QUOTE]
[b]Sorry, but that's wrong!!![/b]
Until a few years ago the working girls were obliged to undergo regular tests to get the permission to work in the Red Light business in all regions of Germany. They had to show the test results, the so called "Bockschein", when the club was a ckecked by authorities. But that's not the case anymore, one of the regions in Germany where the law is much more strict is Bavaria. The regulations and law regarding prostitution are very different from region to region in Germany. Authorities in many regions also offer anonymous health checks to prostitutes. Prostitution itself is not illegal, but it is still called "immoral" by the law.
The intelligent girls visit a doctor by themselves from time to time, but they could also work in a club without showing a test to the owner.
cu
kaleu
PS: CBGBConnisur, you remind me of a guy from another board: Sexxapade :D
Kaleu, let me ask you this, so you're saying a women could work at a club without getting tested regularly for anything?? The HIV statistics for Germany are extremely low, especially compared to the US. Prostitution is not illegal but 'immoral' boy that's interesting because there are tons of brothels and sex clubs in Germany, the majority of which are quite good and reasonably priced.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
let me ask you this, so you're saying a women could work at a club without getting tested regularly for anything?? [/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE]Prostitution is not illegal but 'immoral' boy that's interesting because there are tons of brothels and sex clubs in Germany, the majority of which are quite good and reasonably priced.[/QUOTE]
Only pimping is illegal. Immoral or "sittenwiedrig" in German means in this context, that a "contract" between a guest and a prostitute is not valid according to German law. That means, if a customer refuses to pay the money after the session (that's why you usually have to pay before the session - FKK clubs are an exeption to this rule of thumb), the prostitute would not have the chance to sue for her money. Of course that's theory :D in real life, a big guy will have a nice conversation with you, to clarify this misunderstanding :D
cu
kaleu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter
[i]I just want to let everyone in this forum know that I have given up the hobby as of today. I have a non-sexual health scare which is causing me to make this decision. I wish you all the best on your further hunting pursuits.
If any of you are religious people please say a prayer or a couple for me.
Peter [/i][/QUOTE] @peter
I was just catching up on the board and saw your post.
I do hope all is well with you.
I just got back to Germany after hloliday
Kaleu, I remind you of sexxapade?? Let me give you this hint: Chanel @ Babylon. :)
Gentlemen, I am sure you are all fit and young :rolleyes: , so being in my mid-forties and not in the best of shapes, I was wondering if I will look pathetically out of place lounging around an FKK's main room with just a towel around my size 40 (US) waist.
Or in other words, are the FKK clients on the younger side of the hobbyist population?
Methysos
The answer to your question is a BIG NO you will feel quite at home and you will see and meet guys of all ages and sizes no one bats an eyelid rest assured .
Just dont feel self consious and go and enjoy yourself and have a great time .
The girls will love you not matter what shape your in the most important thing is to be polite treat the girls as women and not as a peice of meat and you will get your rewards I promise you .
So what are you waiting for you dont know what youve ben missing all these years .but you are soon to find out .
Wizard
Just thought I'd add a link for translation of German web documents into English (and other on the fly web translations):
[url]http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr[/url]
Found the URL on a Dave in Phoenix's sexwork site for the Montreal (Ads in French here) and thought since it handles english to german, it might be useful to someone here. Note that the free page only translates 150 word blocks at a time but it WILL translate framed pages. Happy Hunting
and from what I see about the FKK clubs I'm envious of you guys who are going.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by methysos
[i]Gentlemen, I am sure you are all fit and young :rolleyes: , so being in my mid-forties and not in the best of shapes, I was wondering if I will look pathetically out of place lounging around an FKK's main room with just a towel around my size 40 (US) waist.
Or in other words, are the FKK clients on the younger side of the hobbyist population? [/i][/QUOTE]
I am a size 50 (to match my 50 years in age) in the waist and have been in a couple of clubs. I kept myself somewhat covered, but never really felt uncomfortable or had a problem with a woman. Then again, I treated them good. Go, you will love it. It is a true life experience!
Mike
The girls in the FKK clubs don't care as long as you pay them the money they will be your best friend for that moment. Most of the clientele tend to be older German men at most clubs and only a fewer younger guys.
Hello, everyone.
I'm going to be in London for 3 weeks on business and I would like to fly out to Germany and experience some of the FKK clubs.
I plan to be in Germany Nov. 8 - 11 and Nov. 15 -18. Anyone there in the same time frame?
Thanks in advance,
Kick Stand
Hi,
Ill be on the German Border on the night of the 15th November at a great swingers club if you want to join me - send me a mail and ill give u more info
UKPunter,
Sounds good. E-mail me the details at [email]kyck_stand@yahoo.com[/email]. I couldn't figure out how to send you an e-mail from the forum.
Kick Stand
Hello All. This will mark my first post to the FKK board. I'll be coming to Cologne again in April of '03. The last time I was in town, I visited Pascha and the place across the street. It was ok, but I'm looking for something better. I have many fantasies to fulfil, and thought that the FKK clubs might help me. However, I have no idea what an FKK is. I've looked over the board, and haven't found any clear answers yet. So, other than "what" are they, how much $$$ should I expect to spend. Also, how close are they to Cologne. I won't have a car, so I will have to go via taxi. Also, if anyone has any other suggestions on finding some action in Cologne, I'd be much appreciative! I look forward to hearing back!
Rob
Secret what do you mean by you have looked all over the board and you still dont know what FKK is all about .
I suggest you look in page 4 Wizards FAQ on FKK posted
5-24-2002 or Kalues FAQ on page 3 posted 5-29-2002
I for one while I like to help out newcomers to this board dont expect to have to repeat myself a dozen times over and give everyone a personal guide tour .
Just let your finger do the walking and all will be revealed
PS if you need addreses and prices of the FKK clubs just go to Kalues site at
http://www.cfit.com/kaleu
Look in th English section and you will find it all there
Thanks! I honestly looked right past those posts when I was surfing around. They were very informative! I do have one questions however, can anyone give me a good lead on some of the better clubs in Koln? I saw many listed, but couldn't really guage which was the best.
Thanks again!
Rob
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wizard
[i]PS if you need addreses and prices of the FKK clubs just go to Kalues site at
http://www.cfit.com/kaleu
Look in th English section and you will find it all there [/i][/QUOTE]
The correct URL is:
[url]http://www.cfit.com/fkk.htm[/url]
but you should better use this URL in future:
[url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de.vu/[/url]
cu
kaleu
Have a few days off during Thanksgiving?
Looking for friendly person to join me to visit FKK clubs in Germany
from 11/28/02 (Thu) to 12/01/02 (Sun).Iwill pay for the rental car.
If interested please E-mail me at hhle@worldnet.att.net.
Hi all,
I am planning a business trip in November and would like to pursue some extracurricula activities. Unfortunatley I will only be able to spare some time in Hamburg. I realise from reading all the posts that there are far better places to visit but Hamburg is it for me due to work commitments.
What I would like to ask is:
1/ What is the difference between a Patrytreff club and an FKK club?
2/ Can anyone recommend any locations in Hamburg which are worth a look?
What I gather from reading the posts is that you pay for entry to an FKK club then select the woman of your dreams and then pay her after your interlude. If you keep going back for more with other women, does it cost you again?
I have read a few posts with details of visits to clubs where you simply pay your entry and then go as long as you can for the entry fee. Are there any of these clubs in Hamburg.
Hi Witchdoctor,
unfortunately HAmburg is really not the most promising area for your planning :-(
There's quite a lot of commercial sex in and around Hamburg available, but the species of FKK-Clubs is very rare and the species of Partytreff unavailable.
To answer a bit of your questions:
- 1/ What is the difference between a Patrytreff club and an FKK club?
The difference is the "business model". In a Partytreff you pay a one time entry fee and have all the fun for free then usually. Means food, drinks AND girls are included in the entry fee. Partytreffs usually tell you that there are no commercial working girls and that all woman are there private and for their fun only. This is the official version but usually not true, so you can be quite sure to get "as much sex as you want". The quality is another issue. No wonder that the girls are often older, heavier and not as pretty as in other locations. Another con (or pro ?) is that most often you have no private room to have sex with the girl. It's a "public orgy" where you will be watched by lots of other people all the time. This can be fun also !
A FKK-Club works different. Here you sometimes have an entry fee, but sometimes even not this. It's very different if there's anything included (snacks, drinks) or not, depending on the club. But you always have to pay money for the girl. Also here the quality is somehow dependant on the price you are willing to pay.
Some clubs charge 25-50€ per "act" which is usually 20 minutes. Extras (special services) have to be paid extra as well. Some clubs have "discount offers" like 7 times sex for 125€ but you can easily find out yourself that this doesn't increase quality and happyness of the girl
- 2/ Can anyone recommend any locations in Hamburg which are worth a look?
Difficult. An adress (one of the few I know of) often mentioned quite positive is "Danutas Partykeller" located Wohlwillstr. 48b, entry fee 25€, non-alcoholic drinks included, girls either 50 or 80€ per session, (german) info at http://www.erotik-hamburg.de/web/html/danuta.htm
Another choice could be "FKK125" located Saseler Chaussee 125, entry fee 50€, non-alcoholic drinks and some snacks included, girls 50€ per session, (german) info at http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/
Hope the info is useful, have fun in Hamburg !
Don
By any chance, are there ANY good or decent (or any) Partytreff clubs in or near Cologne? Those places sound better to me than an FKK. Any info would be greatly appreciated...
Last time I was in Cologne, I visited the Pascha and the place across the street. For a guy from the states, it was an eye opening experience. However, after reading the posts on this forum, I should have vistited an FKK instead! Even though I did have fun, I can see it was a waste of money!
Thanks!
Rob
Secretrob555
As you are asking about Partytreff clubs this will be answered in the Partytreff threads .
Went to Stuttgart on business and went to Club Amor around the corner from the intercontinental. Waste of time and money. Run down apartment, fat, unenthusiastic, middle-aged woman. Don't believe their website. The pictures are selective and (surprise, now I know why) the don't show any of the women.
Guys, I have a question. I am an Asian American guy who wants to try FKK out. (will go to Germany during Christmas). Honestly, are there much discrimination again people of Asian decent? If so, which club is Asian-friendly?
If you are of Asian descent, can you please share your experiences with us? Do you notice any difference in the Caucasian providers' treatment of you vs. non-Asian customers?
viphawaii,
I recently visited three clubs in Germany: Atlantis, Oase and Planet Happy Garden. All of these do NOT descriminate towards Asians or any other race. In fact, each of the afore-mentioned clubs made sure they answered the potential customer demand for Asian girls by having a few Thai girls on hand, albiet in smaller numbers compared to the mainly German and Eastern European contingent. I don't think you will have any problems in any of these clubs, nor other clubs like Babylon or Sudbad in/near Koln, for example. Go for it, be well dressed and polite, and you shouldn't have any problems...
my ancestry is european/asian and have solidly asiatic facial features. you will be fine. one warning, however, and that's that newcomers are vulnerable to women who try to charge more. i have experienced this at oase but nowhere else. the girls who try to pull this rely especially on the stereotype of the asian who does not want to rock the boat and cause a scene, especially when travelling in a foreign country. unfortunately, there are probably asian tourists who cave in and hand over the extra money because they don't know better.
so try to be clear with the woman before you start touching her what you want and how much it will cost. if it sounds like she's gonna charge more than you expected, tell her you're not ready just yet and go on to another woman. you can always get back to her later if on further investigation you find that the cost she quoted was legit.
and when it comes time to pay her, don't ask her "how much?". as that's an opportunity for her to up the price at the last minute. you should already know how much based on the time you spent (glance at the clock as you go to the room with her, or wear a watch, or sneek a peak at her watch if she is wearing one) and based on what you did (like come in her mouth, which usually does cost extra) and have it calculated in your head. just hand her the money with a smile, a thankyou and a kiss. have fun.
Feel comfortable as asian in German clubs... as long as you are decent dressed and nice attitude when you arrive... in FKK later dressing is no longer an issue lol...
Just to give the right impression. You have a lot of japanese business people visiting clubs in Germany so who cares. What they don't want is cheap customer and it is just because at the end all this is business...
The only nationality really refused is Turkish.
And this is mostly due to their attitude in the past just because of their behavior to women and not really racist attitude.
Do you know which FKK is open from 10 am?
In fact, I have only a morning around Frankfurt and I would like to try to visit the FKK..around there..
Have any body can recommend.. Thank you.
After suffering badly from the Bangkok blues, I have just booked a cheap flight to Frankfurt from UK on 5-6 December, to sample my first taste of some FKK clubs and cure my depression.
Oase and Atlantis seem to be my choices for the moment and maybe one other. I will be hiring a car, but have a few questions for you more experienced guys.
What are the directions for Oase and Atlantis from the airport?
How much is the entrance and the girls?
Do you tip the girls?
How big are the lockers?
What is the opening and last admittance times?
Can you take a camera?
Do you pay for the girls when you leave and can you use credit cards?
Any recommendations for cheap and convenient hotels?
Thanks for any advice in advance
If anyone is around on these dates and fancies joining up let me know.
Oase and Atlantis seem to be my choices for the moment and maybe one other. I will be hiring a car, but have a few questions for you more experienced guys.
What are the directions for Oase and Atlantis from the airport?
***
Go to Mapblast or Mapquest or your favourite directions site. On Most you can list the Airport as the starting point, and then look up the full address on Kaleu's site:
http://www.cfit.com/fkk.htm
How much is the entrance and the girls?
***
Entrance at both is 60€, for which you can stay as long as you want. 1/2 hour with the girl including BBBJ and Full Sex costs 50€, extras have often been mentioned.
Do you tip the girls?
***
No You do not tip the girls!
How big are the lockers?
***
Like lockers at a local gym. Probably about 45cm wide and 100cm high. Big enough for a set of clothes, but not for luggage. the parking lot is next to the building and you can leave your stuff in your car. No one would dare steal there, there is lot's of security, seen and not seen.
What is the opening and last admittance times?
***
All listed on Kaleu's site. Generally they open at 11AM amd close at 4AM. On Kaleu's site there is also a FAQ and link's to their home pages, where most of these questions are answered.
Can you take a camera?
***
No!
Do you pay for the girls when you leave and can you use credit cards?
***
You pay the girls right after the session cash. The legal situation is such that the girls pay the same entrance fee as the men and what goes on between the male and female guests is entirely their own business and the house has nothing to do with it. That means whatever you give the girl stays 100% with her and the house gets no cut. They make money from the entrance fee's of the men and women only, but with an average of 50 women and 100 Men/day that is 9000€/day for the house.
You can get a cash advance against your Credit Card, but they will charge you 10% commision.
Any recommendations for cheap and convenient hotels?
***
Also pretty sure that that is listed on Kaleu's site.
Thanks for any advice in advance
All these questions could have been answered had you just read FAQ's on some of the mentioned pages, especially Kaleu's.
If anyone is around on these dates and fancies joining up let me know.
***
If you want to find some very experienced people who will be more than happy to serve as scout and steer you towards good women and away from rip-offs check out the german discussion group www.roemerforum.de (Use ueber18 as AVS check for your english Passport), they have an english section and a car pool and meeting section, so you can see who plans to be in which club on what day so you can arrange to meet.
Hope this helps!
Peter,
Glad to see you are posting
I thought you were still reading the board good post
hope all is well
ct
CT,
I am doing great. Still very tempted to head back to an FKK. If I do I would like to stop by MZ pick you up and take you to Atlantis. You were on of the 4 or 5 Forum people (including the german forums) that wished me well, and I found that touching.
Now no more mushy shit, back to talk of hard core sex.
Wizards advise on how to find all the FKK and Partytreff Clubs
I still see that a lot of the members to this board are still very reluctant to travel to Germany and ask a lot of questions as to how to find the clubs and what is the best method to travel inside the country.
I have been meaning to "write and tell" for a long time but till I actually had the opportunity to test and try it out for my self on my last trip .I didn't think I was qualified to give advice.
The name of my secret is NAV and it's the perfect solution for all you pussy seekers .You don't have to know how to read a map or try to get around in a foreign country this system does it all for you.
All the big car rental agencies i.e. Hertz Avis Sixt Europcar are now fitting these systems to cars from group D and up (this is now falling and shortly group C should follow.
These systems are practically fool proof and while there are different units currently on the market they all consist of a simple punch-in on a keyboard the city of your destination then the street name and number (Make sure you spell it right and that some cities are the same name in different regions of the country. but its very doubtful if the same street names will also be in those other cities too) and then you can direct the NAV system to find the shortest journey or via the major autobahns. Choose your language and that's it.
It will guide you (In English female or male voice exact directions to within in a few meters/yards of your destination,
It will inform you of the distance and estimated duration of travel before setting out. I think the newer ones can also take into consideration traffic jams and steer you around them.
IT'S UNCANNY but it works every time.
You don't have to follow a map or read street signs you will be notified in clear English in how many meters your next turn off is which way to turn and when you have arrived at your destination.
And even if you make a wrong turn or don't listen to the directions it will tell you to make a U turn or will guide you to the next best way to get there.
Some of the newer and better NAV systems are fitted with a LCD map and will show you your position on the road and your progress.
Most of the cars are presently fitted with a CD of all the streets in the whole of Germany but the newer ones have a DVD system and hold the whole of Europe on disk.
The accuracy is a lot to do with the type of sensor fitted to the unit as it relays the position of your vehicle to the system and the better ones work a bit quicker and give more confidence in finding your destination.
On my last trip we had an older unit on our car and while it did work every time it sometime did have little difficulty in getting us there. But it was infallible and was fantastic. Even though up till now I have traveled and found all my destinations on my own without assitance.But having this NAV was a luxury that I want to share with all of you.
If you shop around you should be able to get some good rental rates especially for the winter months just check that the in-car navigation is fitted as standard otherwise without it you are lost.
I am not familiar with the cars being rented from the neighboring countries i.e. Holland Belgium (also popular flying destinations) but I know that Rental prices in Holland are at least 25% higher than in Germany and the possibility of the NAV being fitted and cover Germany are low so make sure before booking.
If you have to fly in via Amsterdam I think it would be well worth taking a train to say Dusseldorff and renting a car from there for your adventures.
You should be able to drop it off back in Amsterdam airport on your return with out extra charges.
Wizard,
NAV is not perfect. Picked up a car at Frankfurt Trainstation and typed in Ober-Erlenbach (city name of Oase) and it was sending me to the middle of Bayern. I was 50KM out of the way before I noticed.
Otherwise NAV is great.
Peter
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter
[i]Wizard,
NAV is not perfect. Picked up a car at Frankfurt Trainstation and typed in Ober-Erlenbach (city name of Oase) and it was sending me to the middle of Bayern. I was 50KM out of the way before I noticed.
Otherwise NAV is great.
Peter [/i][/QUOTE]
While I did say that this system was practically infallable the limitations are mainly due to wrong addreses or misspelling and in your case Ober-Erlenbach Strasse109 is the street and not the city
Oase is situtuated in Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen (possibly just the last part would have been enough ?
Also you should have seen that on entering the incorrect city the distance and travel time would have been much further than logical and this should have rang warning bells and a new input should have been tested.
I am not critizising you but hopefully that other can learn from our mistakes but you have to agree that for both the novice and expert pussy hunters amoung us this device is a god send.
Use it right and it will take you right to the door of some of the best pussy in the whole of Europe
Visited Oase and Atlantis last week - some comments:
Firstly, thanks to Wizard for advice on Nav - if you are hiring a car you must get this - cost me €140, 2 days, very plush (as far as it can be for an opel) vectra from National at F'furt A'port. Even with several maps and directions I think it would have taken hours to find my hotel and the FKK's. As it was I still had a little difficulty with Oase - the street is very long and Nav doesn't always cover all possibilities but it still was a godsend.
Oase about 40mins from the airport and Atlantis about 1 hour. Approx 30mins travelling from Oase to Atlantis.
Oase (10pm to 2.00am): €60 entry. €50 per time, and €50 for extras as mentioned below - all generally available.
Approx 20 ladies on duty and probably 40 gents at any one time. No 9 or 10's in my book, but nearly all very solid 6-8's, and something for everyone.
Atlantis (4.00pm to 8.00pm): Same prices, many more ladies (approx 40) and probably 60 gents. Ladies were again in the 6-8 range, but more variety, and I would defy anyone not to be able to find someone they liked here.
Despite the lower numbers/choice I preferred the more intimate atmosphere at Oase. It also has several rooms (theatre, s'pool, outside saunas, jacuzzi and bedrooms) to wander about in, which at least gives you something to do in between bouts if you are on your own.
Atlantis is just a large industrial wharehouse with rooms upstairs, although decked out very well with pool, jacuzzi etc.
Generally found no inhibitions by ladies or the punters at both locations. BBBJ's were almost constantly on the go, while when I arrived at Atlantis there were a couple going at it on an open bed at the end of the room in full view - they were making so much noise everyone had to look over.
The theatre in Oase had some heavy action too by the looks of it.
Couldn't recommend any specific lady, as found the service to be the same excellent standard amongst all I had fun with.
Finally, for anyone thinking of going to a FKK for the first time - Don't think just go. This is something every red-blooded man must experience at least once in his life, and I am sure you could do a lot worse than visit either Oase or Atlantis.
All the breast....
Another tip on Car Rental for those of you who wish to save $
If you pick up your rental car from the airport there is extra charge of 10% on the total rental charge (or more )
And IF one has a little time to spare. (an extra hour +-)
With most major airlines your plane ticket also allows you to travel for free to the nearest big city and by picking up your car in the city one is able to save the extra airport fee .Dropping your car off at the airport is not extra.
Also it is often cheaper to rent a car for 3 days (or even sometimes the weekly rate ) as this is somtimes less than the one or two day rate .I have often rented and paid on the 3 day rate and given the car back after 24 -36 hours.
Some good rates can be had at weekends and if you delay your pick up to these times a big savings can be often found.
I've asked this question before, but never received an answer that I could understand.
Does anyone know of ANY clubs (FKK or Sauna or Partytreff, etc.) in the actual city of Cologne? Not the suburbs, but in the actual city?
I can take a taxi or walk in the city, but I won't have a car, and taxi's can be expensive if taken too far of a distance. Also, I don't want to ride the train.
I know all about Pascha and the place across the street, but was hoping to find something a little better...
Also, does anyone know of some FKK's or Partytreff's that may be a little ways out from Cologne, but are accessable by Taxi? If the fee is not too much, I may be able to take a taxi a little further than I thought. I just don't want to drop like $20-30 on a taxi ride (one-way). Also, if I take a taxi to an FKK, is there any guarantee that I'll be able to get a taxi back to Cologne?
Thanks,
Rob
Rob,
There is NO FKK in the city limits of Cologne!
If you want to go to one then check out Kaleu's site, get the address for Babylon or Wiago or Schieferhof and then go to the Bahn.de site and see how to get to these places by train. that should be relatively cheap.
The city of cologne has only appartments which can be found via BILD and or the Pascha and the Bordell across the street. This is not the best service, the chance of getting ripped off is high (especially in the Pascha and Bordell) or will be very expensive.
FKK's are the best sex around, but the good clubs are not in major cities, maybe with the exception of Frankfurt (but you don't hear much about F35 there anymore).
Hope that helps
Rob
Unless you are willing to put yourself out a bit and adventure travelling outside the city limits you will not be able to find the type of service you are looking and hoping for.
There are some Sex available inside the city but the rippoff level is high and what even service you get is going to be poor letdown .
There is even a FKK club listed inside the city at Heinsberg st but dont even concider it .
If Pascha if good enough for you then by all means go there (I would not even concider such a place )
As for the easiest FKK to reach from Koln I think Wiago in Liverkusen will be the easiest for you to reach by public transport (a 15 minute train ride from HBF Koln) Mind you this club is not the best of what is available in this region of Germany.
Sudbad is also not far but quite expencive and I am not to sure as to quality recently.(but not inside the city itself)
Dusseldorff is also only a 25 minute train ride away you have Pegasus inside the city if thats what you are looking for .
To me it seems a pity to be so close but due to your own set limitations will be so far from some of the best paid sex in the whole of Western Europe.
I can assure you if you put a bit of effort in you will get a lot more out of it than you can ever imagine .
You will thank me for it in the end .
But its up to you to decide whats best for yourself .You can lead a horse to water etc
Rob:
Wizard and peter are right. If you really want to experience the best the Cologne area has to offer, then you're going to have to travel a bit out of your way.
Also, consider Babylon in Elsdorf and Bernd's in Lichtenberg. Both clubs are accessible from Cologne via public transportation (trains, busses). Also, each club has a guesthouse within within walking distance, so finding food and lodging shouldn't be a problem.
There are around 20 FKK/Sauna clubs within the city limits of Cologne, BUT so far I read only two or three positive reports about 2 of these clubs over the past 5 years and these were from German regulars, who already knew the girls and the club very well.
I even did not dare to visit these clubs (exception Sudbad and FKK Colonia {now closed} and I personally found it not disappointing, but only soso) and will not visit them in near future unless there are some good news or news about a girl I already know, who has started to work in any of these clubs.
Babylon, Wiago and Bernd's Saunaclub can be reached by maximum 1 hour public transportation ride from Cologne main railway station.
To Babylon:
- Get a train to Horrem and from there a connecting train to Bergheim (Erft). One train every hour. Last train back to Cologne is around 8pm (check the timetable)
- From Bergheim you'll best take a taxi for around 10€ to Club Babylon
To Bernd's
- Take a train to Hennef (Sieg)
- From there you can take either a taxi to Lichtenberg (some 20 to 30€) or if you are more adventurous a bus
To Wiago:
- Take S6 direction Düsseldorf/Essen and get off the train at Leverkusen/Küppersteg
- Leave railway station and turn right at the bottom of the staircase
- Go straight until you come to a round-about and turn left
- Cross the bridge over the motorway and turn right
- Second left is Julius-Doms-Str.
cu
kaleu
Hello my German friends... Quick question for you... Does anyone have a good translation list? There are a few things I'll need to say to the ladies, and my German is really bad. Also, how do I ask a women if I can go down on her? You know, eat her?
Thanks!
Rob
Hi,
here you can find some general translations: [url]http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=667[/url] (25. Oct. 02)
Regarding you very special sentence:
Darf ich deine Muschi lecken?
What else?
cu
kaleu
Thanks for the info! By the way, does anyone know if the girls are open to guys going down on them? Or is it basically, "if you've got the $$$, you can do whatever you want"?
Thanks!
Rob
Rob:
Most are, a few aren't. My advice: either ask the lady the question that Kaleu posted, or just go ahead and do it. If the lady doesn't want you down there, she'll stop you.
Just wanted to wish every one a HAPPY HOLIDAY
Peter , Glad to see you posting .. hope all is going ok for you. (new years resolution is to get to Alantis)
Kaleu,, thanks for all the usefull information you given
Wizzard great info from you too thanks so much for all your help
And A SPECIAL thank you TO JACKSON for this forum
Wishing you all a HAPPY AND SAFE NEW YEAR
Hello Everyone:
I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I havechecked out the abbreviations page, but could not find the answer. Could someone please explain what is a FKK Club?
Thanks,
Fan
Fan:
Just go back to some of the earlier pages in this section. There are some posts from last May that provide detailed information about FKK Clubs....I found the information from Kaleu and Wizard to be especially helpful, but others were good as well. Make it a New Year's resolution to check out one of these places. Enjoy!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fan
[i]Hello Everyone:
I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I havechecked out the abbreviations page, but could not find the answer. Could someone please explain what is a FKK Club?
Thanks,
Fan [/i][/QUOTE]
Welcome aboard but I wish you guys would do a bit of surfing before hitting the emegency button .
I posted this the other week on the General German section for another new member but this should set you in the right direction
I hope you like what you see and get to enjoy the great action
Copy of my article in the Germany General info
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If you go to the special German FKK posting area and scroll down to the two first posts in the General FKK posts you will find a very informative post dated 05 21 2002 and another from Kalue 05 29 2002
Where all will be revealed
Next time let your fingers do the walking and it would help if you looked and posted in the correct area ie the German section for street walkers :regular brothels rivate apartments:girls : strip joints and red light districts etc
And the FKK area for FKK clubs and partytreff etc of course in their respective specail sections of the board.
If everyone tows the line it will make it a lot easier for all to navigate and find the infomation they are looking for rather than have to sift through loads of differnt headings
Last week staying at a Frankfurt Hotel, I saw a flyer for a FKK club new to me :
Club-diskret in Hanau (close to Frankfurt)
As we all know about the excellent places in FRA area, it is always interesting to know about new places.
So question : had anybody experience about this place and what is your opinion.
Any info is welcome.
Happy new year to everybody
FKK Club Paradise
Hi All,
I came across the club Pardise website
http://www.fkk-paradies.de/home.htm
but I can't seem to find any current information on the club. Is it still open? If so, do they have very beautiful ladies?
Thanks,
Trent
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trent2461
[i]FKK Club Paradise
Hi All,
I came across the club Pardise website
http://www.fkk-paradies.de/home.htm
but I can't seem to find any current information on the club. Is it still open? If so, do they have very beautiful ladies?
Thanks,
Trent [/i][/QUOTE]
Yes, Paradise is still open. As for beautiful ladies, it's kind of hit-and-miss. However, I've had some great times here in the past. One good thing about this club is that it's very easy to find.
I just saw this intresting bit of information posted in English on the German Roermer Forum and thought it might be of intrest on this board too
I know that Germany is concidered reletivly crime free especailly in the sex scene but this is deffinetly somthing new and could happen at other clubs including FKK .
So just beware and try and limit the amout of cash and valubles you are carrying.
And be careful
COPY OF Article posted by Shakespeare on the Romerforim in reply to the article posted orignally on this forum by Wickedwilly
-===========================================
A local newspaper recently carried a story about a swinger club near Frankfurt 'Jurgen and Susie's' where the guests were robbed at gun point by a gang (were they naked too one asks)!
I know the German economy is going down the toilet and when the Mob is reduced to holding up a swinger party - proof that things are bad or maybe on the other hand it is proof that the only business making money in Germany at the moment is the sex industy!
Sorry this is a little, but thanks to everyone for your helpful replies regarding FKK.
Happy New Year!
Fan
Does anybody recommend a good FKK club around Dortmund?
Any info would help, thanks!
Dr.
There are quite a few in dortmund, but I would rank them all near the bottom of the FKK scene, nothing compared to the industry leaders. If you have access to a car and are willing to drive 30-50 minutes I would recommend one of two clubs, either Park Schloss Dali in Marsberg or Heavens Gate in Dorsten. The best thing to do is go to Kaleu's web site (often listed in this section) and take a look on the map and see what is within the distance you are looking for.
If you have more specific enquiries I'll gladly respond in greater depth.
Hello gentlemen,
I will be in Berlin, Osnabrueck and Amsterdam this spring, and would like to visit some Partytreff and FKK clubs while in Germany. I'm aware of the individual reviews for the various clubs, but I'd like advice on a "best of" Germany. In other words, for those of you such as Kaleu who have visited various places across the country, and had a chance to make side trips on a one week trip, where would you go? I'm particularly interested in the Partytreff scene as I like the idea of "amateurs" in a group setting.
I could make a side trip to the Cologne/Dortman area, but am hoping to hear of people's recommendations on whether it would be worth going a bit out of the way for this. The clubs near Frankfurt may also be in reach, but I'm particularly interested in how Kaleu and other veterans would plan a trip that starts in Berlin and goes west to Amsterdam.
Thanks so much.
Any Club close to a rail stop? and where do i go to get the rail info. if not what is the average cost of public cars.
Hi all,
Could anyone tell me which clubs are conviniently close when travelling from Amsterdam. And how are these rated, and priced?
Thanks
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rand
[i]Any Club close to a rail stop? and where do i go to get the rail info. if not what is the average cost of public cars. [/i][/QUOTE]
For public transportation information Germany wide go here:
[url]http://www.bahn.de[/url] (they also have an English section)
For the area Düsseldorf, Bochum, Essen, Dortmund you can also check the local public transportation provider for that area: [url]http://www.vrr.de[/url] (they also include bus and tram in their time tables)
For rental cars simply check out the webpages of car rental companies like Sixt, Avis, Europcar and so on. Since most clubs are more or less in the middle of nowhere and/or in industrial areas, the chance to find a good public transportation to and from the club is very limited in most cases.
You should consider a rental car in any case. You'll end up with not much more costs than with public transportation, because most of the time you'll need a cab from the railwaystation to the club and that's the point where it's getting expansive. Get a small car like VW Polo or Opel Corsa. It's a good idea to make reservations for these small cars, because most of the time, you'll get only the big cars if you don't have any reservations, because everybody wants to save money, so the small ones are gone first although I must admit, that it's nice to drive a 6 meter Mercedes Benz S-Class ;)
cu
kaleu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lazlo
[i]Hi all,
Could anyone tell me which clubs are conviniently close when travelling from Amsterdam. And how are these rated, and priced?
Thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
It's about two to three hours of driving to the area, were most FKKs in the Düsseldprf/Dortmund area are located.
Consider this club: [url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/english/detail-en.php?area=Viersen&file_name=happy-garden[/url]
cu
kaleu
Further to Kaleu's info below, I have frequently attempted single day excursions to German FKKs from Amsterdam. The easiest is Planet Happy Garden (PHG) in Oedt. Here is a more info:
The Lay of the FKK Land
There are five or six clubs situated near (or fairly near) to the Koln-Dusseldorf-Duisburg area (three German cities about 2.5 to 3hrs distant from Amsterdam), and thus “doable” as single day excursions from Amsterdam. These include the often-mentioned Planet Happy Garden (PHG) in rural Oedt outside Krefeld, FKK Club Wiago in Leverkusen (a town across river from Koln), FKK Sudbad just outside central Koln, FKK Club Babylon in Elsdorf (a village 25kms west of Koln), three small clubs in more or less central Dusseldorf (Dolce Vita, Pegasus, and Blue Note) plus a very nice mid-sized club, FKK Parksauna (same ownership as PHG, and some girls float between clubs) at Wilderath north of Monchengladbach. I say all these clubs are “doable” as a single-day excursion from Amsterdam, but one must know how to get to the clubs and it helps to have a car (rented or otherwise) so that one can come and go as you wish without being totally dependent upon public transport schedules.
Does anybody have updated information on Fkk scene in Munich?
I go to munich next week and I will like to try FKK Oase-Sudfab.
Is it worth to visit regular sex club in Munich, Club Anastasia etc?
do any type of club rip you off and should be avoided?
Sorry for all the questions, but I will give full report after.
thanks
fred
Going to be in Hannover for the Cebit in March, from all I have read Hannover is NOT the place to have fun.
I need some help here.......I will eventually end up in Munich, would I be better to take a day or 2 by train to Frankfort from Hannover or from Munich?
I speak only english, so this will make things a bit more difficult for me I am sure.
I am really wanting to visit Atlantis and maybe Oase, help me figure out the best way to do it...
Thanks in advance!
I have been into our "Hobby" for about a year and a half. All I can say is...Wow! One of the clubs that I've been to several times is Relax in Limburg. This place is terrific. It isn't a true FKK as the girls do wear a small bit of clothing. But they are very forgetful when it comes time to put it back on. Also there is lots of Eye candy. Its a relatively small club, but what it lacks in size it makes up in service. Its like Atlantis only smaller and with much more light The girls are terrific too. Give it a try. Very nice.
Review of FKK Sudfas Oase in Munich.
I was happy with the selection girls.
12 girls working and 5 were 8-10's in quality of looks & body.
€55 entrance, €75 half hour with girl some offer BJ without Gumi for €75 extra.
I will go again soon, it is very good experience.
Taxi cost €17 from Hauptbanhof train station or you can get train S8, get out at Pasing & taxi short distansce from here.
About Frankfurt area, there is still a club that we always forget to talk about : FKK in Dietzenbach.
I bet many of us know it.
It is closer from city than Atlantis and a nice place. Of course, smaller, less luxurious, ... but with 15 to 20 very friendly girls giving you great fun in a kind of mix GFE and family attitude.
The prices are a bargain : no entry fee and for fun they have a three levels offer :
66 one - 99 two and 120 Euros for three times...
Just compare : same in other Frankfurt places would cost : 210 Euros ... close to double.
Was there yesterday and I can recommand :
Beate : german girl giving you real GFE : BBBJ with outstanding skill, no rush, ready to any position or even to trio.
Joy : a thai girl in her late 20's, petite, but with an incredible ferm body and great attitude.
She has an incredible way to "cover" you : starting with BBBJ giving you a great time where you couldn't tell when she achieved to put it on... so that you get a growing existing time, without that killing moment where "stop need to put..." here you start, you end all in one allegro happiness.
All details about this place is on kaleu's site.
efrog,
Is that 3 different girls for 120E?
12 days and counting down...
3 different girls with a normal half and half program. There are many clubs with a similar pricing strategy like Dolce Vita in Düsseldorf, the red Carpet Clubs between Essen and Dortmund, and a number of the clubs that advertise in BILD (tabloid newspaper).
The prices are sometimes a little different but all follow this basic scheme:
1x 60€
2x 99€
3x 120€
If you leave without having sex you pay a user fee of 25€.
These places are hit and miss on the talent side, because usually the girls only keep 25€ for each session, whereas in the FKK's they pay the same entrance fee and keep all the money they earn. I have had some great sessions in places like this, but had many days where there was no one there who I wanted to get down with.
If you are coming to Germany for the hobby, you should see the whole spectrum, and one of these cheaper clubs should be on your list.
With the prices above it is often so that if you want CIM or on her tits or that (French Total in German) it will count as 2 sessions, or that Anal will count as 3 sessions or so. Sometimes the session is also a little shorter, only 20 minutes, and if you go longer it counts as 2 sessions.
These places can be good, but don't miss the chance to go to Atlantis, Oase or Planet Happy Garden. there you are guaranteed to find many Playboy quality chicks, at these cheaper places you can get lucky or hit a bad day.
I went to Dolce Vita in Düsseldorf recently. The place was really nice and clean, but I wasn't blown away by the 7 girls there. There were also so many men there that night that at times there were no girls left in the contact area.
I met an American guy there who planned his Germany trip based primarily on my WSG posts (I was so proud), but because he was travelling exclusively by train he did not go to PHG or Wildenrath or Babylon, but only Mondial and Dolce Vita. He was impressed enough, but I think he made a big mistake by not visiting the top of class places with the most girls.
If he is reading I hope he will put in a short post.
Peter
Peter, u da man!
Well how long can you hang out without having a session???
Just Kidding...I am certainly planning my trip based on this board and everyones great recommendations...First I'm gonna go to Atlantis, then I'm gonna go to Dietzenbach, then I'm gonna go to Oase, then probably do the whole thing again. I'll post daily if I can find an internet cafe. Decided to stay in Fulda...found a great hotel at an excellent price.
You guys do a great job.
Thanks!
Nasty,
Fulda is pretty far away from the clubs. Remember that gas is quite expensive in Germany ($4/Gallon) so for every kilometre you have about $0,20 in gas. Nothing wrong with fulda, but Giessen is much closer to the clubs you have mentioned. If you are at the Mövenpick in the Castle in fulda it is not as good as it looks. I have stayed there once.
Peter
Peter,
$4 a gallon??? Daaamnnnn!!
I am staying at the Am Tratzhof and I found it on the hotel reservation site, hrs, recommended by this board, which is very good by the way. It's a lot less than anything I can find in Giessen and still very upscale. I guess what I spend on gas I probably save in hotel accomodation, but thanks.
We gotta get together for a bier, dude. Thanks for all the help.
Did the FKK Oase in Aachen ever open or will it open at all.
It opened for 1 hour and then got shut down. It is a court case now, but no information about opening any time in the future.
Peter
Hi there
I have a few hors to kill in Frankfurt on an up-comming trip and thought an FKK will be a good idea. I have some question I hope some one can help me with.
Has there been any change in attitude toward Americans with recent events?
When you are in the club, what do you do to cover a hard on?
As for the more 'general' atmosphere, I know the laws about smoking (cigarates) are different that in California, but would like to know is it permited in the club? (not that it will affect my going there but just so I know)
Since I don't have a car, are there any easy to reach FKKs beside the F35 within the same price range?
I will post my report after my visit.
Shai
Hey!!!
Anybody know if the clubs accept credit cards or is it strictly cash???
Danke
NB
Answers to some of the questions.
The big clubs will give you a cash advance on your credit card, but charge you a 10% premium. Use your ATM card at any german bank machine and you will be charged less. It is a cash business.
Germans are generally anti-war, but aside from a couple of 60's peace types who have taken american products off the menu's at their Vegan-bars there is no anti-americanism rampant. People might ask you why americans want the war that is so wrong, blah blah blah. Just remind them that you saved them from Hitler and they should shut their mouths, then screw their women. That's what I do ;^)
You can smoke in the FKK's, most people do. Germany is not very non-smoker friendly.
You can cover a hardon with your towel, but no one cares.
Methods of making it to Atlantis and Oase via public transit are written in those sections of the forum, do a little research. It depends on what you mean with a few hours. If you have more than 5-6 hours at the airport it is worth a trip out to either Atlantis or Oase, if it is less, then it is better to stick to a in-town club like Chantal Chevalier or F35. Taking a taxi both ways would be quite expensive, a rental car is much cheaper. You should be able to find an internet deal for about 40€.
Any other questions?
Peter
Thank you Peter,
I plan to spend most of my time at FKK Dietzenbach...I like their prices...meet you there...I'll probably be there when they open Tuesday.
NB
Nasty,
Do not miss either Atlantis or Oase. Go to at least one of those first.
I have only been to Dietzenbach once and was not impressed by the quality of the women.
The other two are world class. Dietzenbach is cheaper but can be hit and miss. Don't plan too far in advance, make it dependant on the feeling you get once you have seen the different places. I would try one day in each club before making the decision where you will end up.
Peter
Peter,
Cool.
NB
Peter
Thank you for the info, I have read about the FKK clubs a long time ago and am looking forward to spending time in one.
I think I'll be in Frankfurt in the early after noon, how many girls will I find in F35 or Chantal?
I understand that you get a BJ in the main club area before going to the room, what about eating some pussy? Is it generaly aloud?
I'm sure they will tell me if I do something out of line but I would rather know in advance and save the un pleasent remarks.
Thanks again
You are a great source of info
Shai
F35 or Chantal Chevalier will probably have about 4-6 girls working in the afternoon, at least that is what most reports say.
I am not a big fan of either of these places, but they are closer to the Airport.
Each club is a bit different regarding public action. atlantis and Oase you can do whatever you want in public, some even have sex in the public rooms, at a place like Planet Happy Garden (in the Düsseldorf Area) there is no public action whatsoever.
DATY is allowed by most girls, in public depends on the girl. Even in a not so public action club like Wildenrath I saw a 60 year old guy spending a good half hour chowing down on the axxhxle of a 19 year old blonde. His technique was quite impressive;^)
I have only read reports about F35 (was there once and left within 45 minutes sans session) and CC and never been there myself, but they are not near the top of the class. If you have access to a car and a couple of hours head to Oase or Atlantis, they are much more impressive with a huge WOW factor.
Peter
I'm quite new.
There are someone who fill me more about a FKK club where you pay (and how much) only the entrance (i.e. "all inclusive")?
There are some FKK club with, also, some trans?
I like to play with more than one person..... also of a different sex.
Greetings everzone,
Substitute a z for y and vice versa when it doesnt make anzsenxe. Not used to this European kezboard.
Well well, here I am in Fulda and what a crayz town this is. I hope I didnät damage mz rental when somebodz tried to lock me in for parking in his drivewaz. >He probablz has a camera and caught it all on flime me trzing to make mz great esxape from his drivewaz. Had to drive on the sidewalk, but I got out.
OK sooooooooo
Landed in Frankfurt 0800 Tuesdaz dead tired but eager to head out to Atlantis.....well after driving around the airport ring 3 times trzing to get out and heading toward Weisbaden instead of Fulda, I decided once I found mz waz to mz hotel I would double back and head to Atlantis. It is no picnic driving around here. I imagine when I return mz rental, the agent will hand mz a handful of traffic tickets and photographs and pad mz bill even further.
Had an extremelz difficult time finding Atlantis but persistence paid off and bz chance I finallz got there.
Zes it is an extremelz nice place...the ambiance is superb. Nice decorations, pool, shower facilities. Great setup with the monez locker and the clothes locker and the prices arent to shabbz eitther. Lots of beautiful girls all running around naked. Nice perfect firm titties everzwhere and lots of bald pussies. It was great.
Tried a ceskz babe first and unfortunatelz she looked good but didnt know how to perform so I dropped her in 15 minutes. Later I was approached bz a reallz hot blonde Romanian girl who was with a reallz sweet brunette I enjozed löoking at but she didnt speak English...oh too bad....the blonde led me 2 a chair and kissed great and stroked mr happz even better. so we went upstairs but on the waz up I grabbed her friend to come along and both were reallz wicked. I loved the waz thez took turns sucking mz dick and blondie was reallz good at it. Blondie is Nicollete annd the brunette is kiki. Kiki is onlz 20 and has the most fantastic pair of blue and green ezes....and oh so nastz that little girl....excellent bodies on both... I fucked kiki and just generallz had a great time with both girls. I kept them for an hour....well that was enough for one night especiallz being as tired as i was so i called it a night but returned the next daz, zesterdaz for more of the same. except this time i had a cuban black girl after doing kiki again for a half and then i made niki reallz work hard to get me to go upstairs again after the first two....
Unfortunatelz when zou ainät fucking there isnt anzthing else to do but sit and watch the parade... i got a little bored with that so now I just take care of mz business and then i am gone.... thez should add an internet connection to the facilitz to save me all the trouble i had finding this place.
Todaz i made mz waz down to Diesenstadt and oh babz that place was nice too. A lot smaller than Atlantis but there isnt anzthing wrong with those facilities either. It is waz less crowded and I found nothing wrong with the girls there. I started off with Angela from Lithuania... a nice blonde but somewhat impersonal and all business, but after all that is what she is there for...to make her monez....
I had been flirting with this other hot russian girl before I made mz move after finishing with Angela...The russian girl is 23 tall blonde damn good looking prettiest pussz i have ever seen and absolutelz one of the best blow jobs i have ever had. Shit I forgot her name...and i told her i was going to give her a great recommendation here.Shit.. oh well...oh zes I remember...Yulia. Excellent woman Yulia....not zulia, yulia....
I liked Diesenstadt...hopefullz I will be able to fing it again tomorrow....much more laid back...prices are great 55, 99, 120 I had 2 session with Yulia...another difference between Diesenstadt and Atlantis is that the sessions are 20 and 30 minutes respectivelz.
Even though mz hotel is waz out in nowhere land...the facilities are excellent and the peace and quiet is reallz good too..
I like driving on the autobahn .... averaging 160 klicks per hour in mz Opel Astra... which is a great car....
So the rest of the plan is Dietyenbach tomorrow and Atlantis again all daz Saturdaz and return on Sundaz...no sex Sundaz unfortunatelz...gotta flz back...but I am having a hell of a time and like Arnold sazs.....>I#ll be back.
Peter....I dont know how I can meet zou here...lot of people in Atlantis....and I aint gonna be at this cafe anzmore...gotta plaz it safe with the driving
Thanks for all the help everzone...I love these European women...
fill zou in on the rest of the details when I get back to Miami
NB
nasty,
sounds like you are having a great time.
i was hoping to head to frankfurt this week for business, but the meetings got moved to next week, so the chances of us meeting are slim.
be careful when you driving, obey the speed limits (except when it says 130, they don't take that one seriously), they are not like the ones in america where there goal is to generate money from speeders, they are really there for safety reasons.
also just in case you head back to atlantis, be warned that there is a photo radar at the entrance to the city about 400 yards after leaving the highway.
hope you have had fun in the non-mongering moments.
about the nothing to do when not doing it in fkk's this is a problem. locals usually go once or twice a month and see it as a wellness day where they just relax and hang out in the sauna, or lounge in the sun (i haven't seen anyone with a novel by the pool reading as if on vacation, but the idea is similar, i actually know a group of guys that bring cards and play poker for hours). as an american you probably aren't too excited by the sports on tv either, ski-jumping, soccer, and track and field aren't really what you look for in a sports bar in the us.
most locals have a group of fkk acquaintensces that they hang out with and trade war stories. if you are sitting at the bar or on a couch at a club start up a conversation with some friendly looking fellow monger. he probably won't think you are hitting on him, but ask him if he speaks english (right now it might be a little uncomfortable because he may get you embroiled in a war discussion) and ask him what other clubs are good, what experience he has had with the women. not all people are very talkative, but you can often find people who are happy to share great stories with you.
have fun,
peter
shai-z......Peter is correect ... i frequent fkk 35 and it is a hit or miss as to the no. of girls there. The least i have seen are two and that is around 12 PM a few more sometimes will show around 3 pm or so.
Mon are usually bad as the girls just made their money on the weekend ... and may not show there cause they are spending it :)... and the stores are closed on Sun anyway. I have had good luck on Tue- thurs
Nasty..... sounds like you had a great time been a while since i read the board. Was going to warn you here in Germany you have now north east west or south ..but you made it GREAT...
Peter.
... if you read this my plans are finally to make it to alantis this SUN.. April 06. I am hoping to spend the day there any sugestion as to the best time to arrive..
My plans are to get there bout noon or so ... BTW i got tired of l waiting for you to drag me there lol ... sounds like you are doing well ... ahh but i degress lol
lazzaro
Fkk 35 is a 50 Euro entry and 50 for each girl and you pay the girl after the session....
i believe alantis is raising it price to 65 euro and 50 for each girl.. you can some time find a girl that will bring a friend along if you want .
May i suggest you read some of the other pages to get some more help
There is a lot of GREAT info on this board and diredtions too. HOpe this gives you a start ...
Kaleus ... hope you are ok haven't seen a post in ages ... or i missed it
CT1,
Good to hear from you. Cannot make it to Atlantis today (Sunday), hopefully I will get their next week.
I would advise that you don't arrive before 4pm, I am told many girls show up at 6pm on sundays.
Make sure you look for a blonde russian girl (She is supposedly 30 years old, so don't only look around at the young'uns) named Anjelique, she is supposedly the best club girl (from service) in all of Germany. I have had sessions with the #2 and #3 girl and I can tell you they are already in a class all their own. Otherwise no real advise. I haven't been to ATL in a while (and now I may boycott because of the 5€ increase in entrance price), tried Oase instead because 3 of my favourite girls are working there now (Mascha from ATL, Lucy and Lila from FTL), but at the moment I am spending more time in the Cologne area.
Yeah, I am doing OK on the health front too, thanks.
Peter
Nasty, Ct1, Peter, et al,
been a month or so since my last post as I've been travelling and didn't have access to a "safe, sterile" email.
As fate has it I 've spent the better part of the last month in Germany and Holland - lots of experiences, i'll only post a choice few.
Nasty, I've only used rental cars and it's truly the only way to go. The German autobahn system is one of the manmade wonders of the world, and they can truly teach the land of the automobile a thing or two about highway planning and management. There are some excellent mapping an routing sites - I usually use map24.com which will give you exact directions in english from any one point to another. I've driven now on my own to between 10-15 clubs and never ha trouble finding any of them - except Altenstadt because they keep closing off different parts of the main drag for construction. But if you're going to spend a couple of ays in FRA are and have a car, you have to try Oase. Easier to get to than Atlantis - great selection of women, better facilities an they've actually given some thought to down time with the cinema room , table dancing and broadcast of American sports.
CT1- Have to agree with my esteemed an learned colleague, Peter:
1) Don't go before 4 (actually if you can avoid it, sunday is the worst day of the week in terms of selection and variety an many of the "stars" take the day off unless there's something special on like a show at the messe)
2) Anjelica is a gem - worth the wait ( she's always busy) and keep her for an hour - you and your jewels won't forget the event soon.
Peter - glad to hear that you are well. As of last week, Hannover hadn't opened yet. Any news?
Changes in flight schedules meant that I had to cancel my planned Beverly on a Wednesay outing. My friend, knowing how disappointed I was, arranged instead for a private massage in my hotel - that's what friends are for.. (it's okay he owes me a few favors) Hope to still get there next time in Duesseldorf.
Is Oase also planning the eur 65 rate change?
I agree also with the previous post re Dietzenbach and FKK35. Cannot hold a candle to either Atl or Oase. As long as you're in the area, don't you deserve the best. We only have one life to live and have fun.
Hi Peter, who are the #2 and #3 girls in terms of service and do they work at Atlantis or another FKK, info would be helpful Thanks.
t. rex
Greetings greetings everyone!
Well, I'm back in hot and sunny Florida, but what a great week and trip that was. Already planning my return in mid-August.
I went back to Dietzenbach the next day for more of that hot Russian girl, Yulia, and this time became acutely aware of a huge disadvantage in FKK Dietz..., the rooms are shared. This time while Yulia was going down on me, another couple came in to use the other bed in the room. Later I asked the bar maid, and she filled me in that the club has only 3 rooms with two beds in each....so... you gotta share. For me it was a distraction and I lost my woodie but eventually by the third session with yet still another Russian honey I finally got what I came for.
Saturday/last day went back to Atlantis and Peter is right...world class is the best description for the club. This time during my down time I spent it in the pool and lots more people used the pool this time.
First session was with Margot, a six foot German gal, which was a lot of fun for since I am only 5 feet 5 inches. Next was Andrea from Romania, who had no talent what so ever....they all look good but it is hit and miss in the bedroom to get a winner. The next gal Kristina from Poland was awesome...great bod and great blow job. Stayed with her an hour and came in her mouth so she really satisfied me in a way that was good for her as well.
Finally I spent the last two hours with Kiki again...the girl stole my heart... she is a very young, beautiful, exceptionally talented girl in the gfe area.... I told her all about the board so if anyone meets her remember NastyBoy to her...and Peter if you meet her she will know you by name too. Give her some tips about the biz if you don't mind...I think she is intimidated by the number of girls in the club. She asked me about Oase, in fact so did Nicolette, but I didn't have the chance to squeeze that club in this trip.
I didn't really tell her about the board...what I told her was that I met a lot of German friends on the internet that told me about the club.
I had a fantastic week off...everybody was great and Atlantis is an extremely impressive establishment.
Thanks to all who helped me get around.
NastyBoy
Oh yeah!!!! Even the car rental agency didn't give me a hassle about the dent I put in the car...what a country!
#2 and 3 are Lucy, a thin polish girl who used to work in Fantasyland and now is supposedly working in the Oase, and Michelle who used to work in the Oase and supposedly currently works in Atlantis.
I am still partial to Mascha who used to be in the atlantis and now works off and on (as a blonde) in the Oase.
With the really hot girls it can be hit and miss. I always tend to book the normal half hour package, and if it starts out good I will extend or add extras.
Best thing is to find a scout, but that can be difficult, just walk up to some friendly looking people tell them you are new and ask if they can give you any advice. Most are happy to share their experience with new guys, and most are very proud of the efficiency of the German Sex industry. It might not guarantee you a GFE, but it will often save you from a flop.
My experience to Nationality is that siberien Russians (Mascha and Anjelique) and Polish girls (Michelle, Ulla (ATL), Ulla (ex-PHG), und Lucy) have provided the most consistently good service.
Peter
Peter and Iseeu,
are you guys going to any FKKs this weekend? The weekend after that? I will definately be in either Oase or Atlantis this Thurs-Sunday.
Later,
JT
JT,
Don't think I can make it this weekend. My Frankfurt meetings got postponed again, so I am stuck pretty far away.
Peter
There will be a new FKK opening up in the Giessen Area. It is claiming to be the biggest and best and has quite an impressive web site: www.fkk-world.de
Rumors are that it will open either for Easter or Mid-May. It is a little further away from Frankfurt than Atlantis or Oase, but closer to Cologne. The home page is really quite impressive, if they get some decent quality girls it will be a real competition to the two established clubs in the area.
Peter
came back from atlantis and oase (see specific reports) I want to share with you guys also just some general tought
besides the girls and the facilities, I think that you guys, experienced in this world like I am, can appreciate everything supports the core service we look for
at first in these places you feel comfortable like nowhere else
none wants to rip you off; the rules are easy and clear and you are well informed at the reception about that
the free bar is a real free bar (no alcholics served at all) and you can have the best quality beverages (and food at oase after 5pm) without any limit
towels, shoes and everything provided by this 2 FKK's is clean and sterylized
there's an efficient staff that takes care of the cleanliness in a maniacal way
everything looks perfect ...
though I have had many experiences all over the world, I consider atlantis and oase the best for several reasons (even if I can't forget a brasilian stunning and very girl met in Rio and a serbian lovely chick met in a YU club)
the main reason is that you really relax and enjoy yourself in a FKK and in summer time it should be even better because you can lie on a sunbed, take your sunshine and read some book the same as in a public pool or on a beach
your only problem is to make a choice in such a unbelievable variety of stunning and friendly girls...and you'll always leave complaining the many girls you had not have
JT,
Sorry I missed you bud. I was in DE just for one night last week and since it was a Wednesday, my friend took me to Beverly - all I can say is wow. I'll post there later.
Won't be back in DE till last week of April.
Can someone clarify how much i'll spend getting in to the Atlantis or another good club and how much per fuck? Also can you fuck them all ways or is it like the rld in the dam, only missionary?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigDude
[i]Can someone clarify how much i'll spend getting in to the Atlantis or another good club and how much per fuck? Also can you fuck them all ways or is it like the rld in the dam, only missionary? [/i][/QUOTE]
Big Dude,
check out the section on Atlantis and other clubs in this board. All prices are mentioned there, also the new entrance fee for Atlantis for example. The "Forum Search" on the left hand side is also a good idea ;)
Check out my webpage for those clubs without a specialized section in this board.
[url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/fkk-en.htm[/url]
What you do in the room is up to you and the girl of course. In good FKKs you'll hardly run into a girl who says: "You can only do me in one position whilst we are in the room."
Regarding other services and extras like anal for example, you'll have to discuss this with the girl (best before you go to the room).
cu
kaleu
Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just spent a glorious week in Atlantis...65 Euros to walk in the door....50 Euros for what they call normal sex and what I call half and half which is fuck and suck...time limit is 30 minutes. The next 30 minutes is another 50...they like to get on top, I like to fuck them doggie and missionary...anal is too expensive 100 Euros...50 Euros extra if you cum in their mouths...I got to spank them and rough them up a little bit at no extra charge...just know where to draw the line...
I had a blast....take two for an hour and have them take turns sucking your dick...that is awesome!!!
Have fun!
NB
Which clubs have the most Middle Eastern, Persian and Indian girls? It's just that I have a fetish for them, not that they provide the best sex!
To Peter,
Thanks for the info re FKK-World in the Giessen area. Looks very impressive indeed.
Well, it's Easter now. Has it opened ?
Roumours from some club girls said, that the club will open on 15. of May. On the webpage, they say "We'll open this summer" (well, Summer is long ;) )
But it's not yet open.
cu
kaleu
@Footloose
There are quite a few persian girls working in Atlantis, Turkish girls are quite similar. Haven't seen many Indians, only know Pakistani Sahra at Babylon in Elsdorf. Real Arab girls are few and far between. There are sometimes Persians in wildenrath or PHG. Depends on where you are going to be, if you are in the Frankfurt area I think you will have better luck in Atlantis rather than Oase, but that is just my personal opinion.
@Kaleu
Drove by the location of World on my Last Oase Trip. Looks pretty good from the driveway entrance. Heard another rumor from some of the girls which migh not bode well for the club. supposedly it is being financed and run by a well known group of Motorcycle fans. They should have access to a steady stream of new girls, but whether the top acts from ATL and OASE will want to work in that sort of situation is questionable. Some of the girls said they don't think this will be pleasant, they also told me that the Giessen/Wetzlar area is a little lower class than frankfurt, and they think the combo of the lower class and higher foreigner population in this area, with the HA Management will not be a pleasant combo.
If you have heard anything similar let me know.
Peter
HA in Germany?? What is the web-address, the one posted below does not work, when I tried it I got Ladies.de??
@T-Rex
The web address is right, but about half the time Ladies.de comes up. I don't know what the problem is.
HA are all over the place, including Germany, they are an international corporation like General Electric or HSBC, they just don't have as much warm and fuzzy advertising.
Peter
Hi peter,
so far, I didn't hear similar comments from girls.
Anyway, we will always have to face the fact, that there is 'someone' behind the scenes, who is running a club, regarding money, protection and so on. This business is not a joke, it's tough and that is the case in any country in the world.
cu
kaleu
Thanks Peter, I will check out Atlantis for the persian and turkish girls. Can you make a couple of recommendations? I will also be in Dusseldorf area and will check out Elsdorf.
Foot,
There is a very cute, recommended Persian girl named Daria in Dusseldorf area at Dolce Vita.
Enjoy.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by footloose
[i]Thanks Peter, I will check out Atlantis for the persian and turkish girls. Can you make a couple of recommendations? I will also be in Dusseldorf area and will check out Elsdorf. [/i][/QUOTE]
If you mean at Babylon, I can recommend Shirina, turkish, mid twenties.
cu
kaleu
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaleu
[i]If you mean at Babylon, I can recommend Shirina, turkish, mid twenties.
cu
kaleu [/i][/QUOTE]
Kaleu's right. You should definitely try to find Shirina.
I have had about 3 Persian girls in FKK Oase and they were all great. Is is the norm for Persian girls? They fuck like latin women! And that's a compliment!
I plan to visit Germany around 8-10th May. I am very fond of persian girls and Indians too. Anyway, do you know their names and their schedules (day,eve/night)? TIA
Footloose,
Your chances of finding an Indian girl in this country are minimal. Persian is mentioned below, but there are no real schedules for the girls. No one really knows for sure who will be ther which day. The only club that I know that sort of posts a schedule is Tag & Nacht in Mönchengladbach. But if you go to Atlantis on the weekend (that's when you are there) there will probably be at least 50 girls there and chances are there will be at least 3 or 4 persian/turkish girls. If you really like this nationality you should be able to recognise them so a name wouldn't help you.
Peter
Peter and JT:
Thanks for the info. I'm planning to visit both Atlantis and Oase.
Given the limited time I wanted to maximize my chances of finding the the persian girls. Let's see how lucky I get. I will post my report after my visit.
I'm going to Germany again. Plan on 8 May to go to a partytreff in Dusseldorf (Pegasus, Swing2You,or Beverly), then hiring a car for Atlantis and X-treff (also in Altenstadt) on 9 May, plus some other Fkk/escorts in Dusseldorf/Wuppertal on 10/11 (not evening). If anyone is around and wants to cross paths then let me know
Shiatsu,
I'll probably be in Dusseldorf or FRA area on May 7th. In any case Beverly is fetish on Thurs nite (May 8th). I planned on going there May 7th but was considering Swing2You after reading glowing report in these pages. Sorry, but I'm catching flight out of FRA sometime on the 8th. Do we hook up?
iseeu
thanks - but I don't get to Dusseldorf till late afternoon on 8th. have a good time
Peter do you Know if Relax in Limburg has been closed,I have not heard any Reports on the club in Awhile, Last time I checked It was not listed on Kaleu's Website?? I went there once,but the Club was a good one, with those keyless Lockers.
Thanks T-rex..
[QUOTE]Originally posted by t-rex
[i] Last time I checked It was not listed on Kaleu's Website?? [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi T-Rex,
the club is still open as far as I know, but I got a request from the owners to delete the club in my list. I didn't receive an answer to my question why.
cu
kaleu
The new club "FKK-World" in Pohlheim near Giessen will open end of May. The inofficial date is the 30th of May. So far there is no confirmation on their webpage:
[url]http://www.fkk-world.de/[/url]
I'll keep you updated.
cu
kaleu
Hi Kaleu,
That is Interesting, that Relax Club Wanted the Club Info deleted from your List, you would think they would want as much Buisness as they could get??
keep us Updated on fkk-world, this Club could be a Winner.
How is Cocoon in Wuppertal,any new hot girls, how is the Service lately?? Thanks..
T-rex..
[QUOTE]Originally posted by t-rex
[i] How is Cocoon in Wuppertal,any new hot girls, how is the Service lately??[/i][/QUOTE]
I have not been to Cocoon for the last 4 weeks, since my favourite is still on vacation. But, from reports in some German boards, I can say, you mileage may vary ;)
Anyway, at Cocoon I almost always sticked to the Latinas and the Turkish Girls and except for one Girl from Domenican Republic I was always very happy with the service. When I was there the last two times in April with some friends, they had good service with a Spanish girl named Wranja or Wanja (sounds Russian, but she is Spanish), straight blond hair, tall, slim (not too slim) and a few tatoos.
cu
kaleu
@T-Rex
Relax has had a lot of problems with the licensing boards. they are officially a swinger club (at least that is what their business license says) although they are purely a pay for play operation. There have been shut downs and newspaper articles which claim that the place is not really a swingerclub (which it isn't!). Because their license depends on them being a swingerclub and not an FKK or Sauna Club I can understand why they don't want to be listed on an FKK list.
FKK's and Saunaclubs still maneouvre on the edge of legality. You don't have to worry as a customer, nothing will ever happen to you, but keeping one of these clubs going can be a legal tightrope. The OaseII in Roetgen was closed within 1 hour of opening and will probably never open again (and that was a multi-million dollar investment). That might be one of the reasons why World is not yet official about opening date. You can't beat city hall!
Peter
@Peter.
Have you been to PHG last week on Friday? If yes, we missed by one day :( Maybe you can contact me off-list and we can try to make an arrangement, at least if you want.
cu
kaleu
Gentlemen,
First things first, thanks everyone who has contributed here. I am new to the German FKK concept, and looking around these boards I found excellent info for orientation.
I am planning to come to the Frankfurt area on the long weekend May 29 - June 1. I notice this is also a public holiday weekend in Germany. Can anyone advise how this will affect FKK Atlantis and Oase? Busier, empty, normal?
Does anybody want to join up for an FKK outing on that particular weekend?
I am just planning to see Atlantis, Oase, and maybe 1 other FKK. Anything else I should consider?
kaleu or peter, do you normally get to Frankfurt? Maybe we could talk offlist and arrange a trip to Atlantis or Oase. I would love to go with someone who is experienced.
V
Hi Valmont!
Nope, usually I don't travel much to Frankfurt it's simply too far (over 3 hours one way) and I have PHG around the corner ;)
cu
kaleu
@Valmont,
Not going to be heading to Frankfurt on the next while. Similar distance at the moment to Kaleu.
Depending on how good your german is check out the german board for that area http://www.roemerforum.de sign yourself up and then they have a meeting room list. Where you can arrange for a scout.
Peter
Hi guys,
I've never been to Germany and will be visiting the end of this month. I'm brand new to the FKK scenes. I've perused this board (under Germany and Germany FKK clubs) and found many useful information. I understand the concept of entry fee and session fee and the warm up time on the couch and so on, but I didn't seem to see anyone asking these questions directly. Perhaps, I'm just too naive or something to even ask. Hope you guys don't mind to help out this newbie.
1) I realize that a session lasts about 30min. What if the guy couldn't come within that time? Does it mean that the girl would just stop and walk out? (I can see this happening to a guy at the end of the day if he tries too many sessions in a day.)
2) On the other end, what if, during the warm up on the couch, the guy comes? Does it mean that the session is over even before it can actually begin inside the room?
3) While the girl is doing the BJ on him, what happens if he comes in her mouth without letting her know in advance, for whatever reason? Would she get totally pissed off and infuriated, or would she get little bit upset and simply charge that extra 50Euros? What would happen?
4) Many of the discussion here debate back and forth whether Russian, Polish, Czech, or German girls, or ... are better than the others. I'm not a European descent. I wonder how you guys would know just by looking at the girls and be able to tell what ethnicities/nationalites they are from? Do you mean to tell me that you waved them over or walked around literally asking every one of them? Let's say you prefer a Polish lady. Would it be ok to wave her to come over or walk over to her and ask what her ethnicity/nationality is, and then walk away if she is not what you are looking for? Would that be considered rude or impolite or what some might even call "racist"?
SinglePro:
To answer your questions:
1.) The lady will usually let you know when your time is almost up. At that point, you can either end things there or go another 30 minutes with the understanding that you're going to pay double.
2.) For the most part, yes -- which is why you should call an end to the warm-up before you lose control, and take her to a room.
3.) That depends. It's generally understood that mouth finishes cost double, which is why you should warn the lady before it's too late. Most ladies are honest and will not try that stuff without your prior permission. If you can't or don't let the lady know before you lose it in her mouth, how upset she'll get and whether or not you'll pay extra depends on how much she likes you.
4.) I don't think ladies of any one nationality are necessarily better performers than ladies of other nationalities. It all depends on chemistry, that is, whether or not the lady likes you. They're people too, and have preferences and off-days just like we do. If she digs you, it doesn't matter where she comes from. Some guys say to avoid German ladies for whatever reasons, but I've had some outstanding sessions with German ladies. If I like her look and she seems into it, then it's all good. I'll usually ask her where she's from as an icebreaker, but her answer usually won't affect my decision whether or nor to party with her.
Hope this helps.
@ Single
Arnie is right on all points.
Just so you know couch action is not normal at all clubs. It is standard in Atlantis, Oase, Babylon and Hof, but at most oher clubs there is no couch action. Also at some clubs a session is 20 minutes. It is a fair system and the girls tend to only ask for the correct amount afterwards.
FKK's are a very good situation, but with all first timers either seek a scout or be a little careful the first time there. These places are no huge debauched orgies.
Peter
Arnie & Peter,
Thank you so much for your input. I'm much better informed now. To close out my curiousity, I have few more questions / comments lingering.
1) Arnie said "how upset she'll get ... depends on how much she likes you." That's interesting because I was under the impression that the girls are there for the $$, not for a dating game. :-) Well, I'd naturally assume that if the guy were a hot sexy looking guy, he would probably get better treatment. Right? I suppose the lady would probably tolerate his indecent behavior more than the same behavior made by a bad looking guy. Am I wrong in this assumption?
2) Arnie brought up the term "chemistry". Has there been a situation in which the FKK lady was not willing to see a guy simply because she didn't feel the chemistry was there, or she didn't feel comfortable with him? To be more bluntly, has any lady in any FKK club ever refused providing certain service (for instance, no DFK or GFE) to a guy simply because (no pun intended) he's either too fat, too old, too ugly, too boring, or whatever... (assuming that he satisfies all the good hygiene requirements)? Personally, I'd rather to hear the lady say NO than to later realize that she pretended to say YES and rushed to provide a mechanical performance simply because she needed the money.
3) I agree with Arnie that if I like the lady, and especially if she is a hot chic, I don't really care where she came from. To turn the table around, I wonder if some ladies in the FKK clubs prefer to see/treat men from certain nationalities or ethnicities better than the other?
4) Although many say that speaking German is not necessary in order to have fun in the FKK clubs, I wonder if the local guys have an advantage in getting more GFE than the outside guys?
That's all from me. Thanks all for your responses.
SinglePro:
Glad I could be of help. Here are my thoughts regarding your additional questions:
1.) There is no "dating game." Yes, she's there for the Euros. But, yes, she's a person too and has her own preferences and off-days. Chemistry can play and does play a part (See Answer 2).
But, as for your "indecent behavior," you *are* planning to warn the lady before you give her a mouthful of schmeg, aren't you? Peter is correct: play it cool while in the clubs and don't do anything that may upset the women and cause a problem. If you spritz in her mouth, then you will pay double unless the lady specifically tells you otherwise. Count on it.
2.) Remember this acronym: YMMV. That means, "Your Mileage May Vary." Just because she gave one guy great service doesn't automatically mean you'll get it. Maybe it's bacause you weren't too handy with the soap and water. Or, maybe it's because there wasn't as much chemistry or she's having a bad day. (See Answer 1).
And, yes, some of the clubs (for example, Oase) do allow the ladies to turn you down. For instance, she may tell you she's busy when she's not. She may tell you she can't understand you when she can. Or, she may not give you enough space to sit next to her. I've seen all this happen.
I can tell you, though, that unless you resemble Shrek or have major hygiene problems, your chances of being turned down are very low. In fact, at Atlantis or Oase you'll likely have to deal with the ladies propositioning *you*. (They're not allowed to do this at Babylon or Bernd's.)
3.) No, not really, unless you've come over from Turkey. Many of the ladies are wary of dealing with Turkish customers because these men tend to treat women badly. Not all of them do, of course, but a few bad apples have spoiled the whole barrel. If you're worried about anti-American sentiments, then don't be. Most Europeans are intelligent enough to separate the people from the politics.
4.) I speak German and find that it definitely helps. The lady will be more comfortable with you if she can understand you and vice versa. The locals will have an advantage in this regard, but that won't make much of a difference. If you're concerned about the language barrier, ask the lady at the front desk or one of the barmaids to introduce you to some English-speaking ladies.
Hope this helps.
@Single
Please never do anything indecent in the club.
The reason that the turks have a bad reputation is because they come into these clubs in large groups and act like they own the place. they also often try to scam the girls into doing more than they are comfortable with (like getting Cum in Mou**h for no extra charge).
Just so you know at Oase the American's also have a bit of a reputation, mainly because of groups of guys from the Army base. They are not exactly from the diplomatic crew, they are quite red-neck.
These are real ladies and they should be treated with respect. The fact that you pay them doesn't mean that you own them.
Peter
SinglePro,
As a fellow American, here is my experience in regards to your questions/concerns:
1) Some girls are really friendly, others aren't Doesn't necessarily have to do with nationality they have or you have. Just a chemistry thing like in "real life". But of course they are interested in the money, it is their job and their time. If they like you, for whatever reason, then you will get maybe a little extra service. CIM is something most girls aren't too fond of though, and is something you should definitely clear up beforehand. GFE is also something that may or may not happen. I have only had one girl refuse kissing, she was German. Other than that though, she was fantastic.
2) Chemistry will depend on a lot of things, every girl has different taste. And it doesn't mean that the girls only give good-looking guys good service. Tell them you will come to the club often, and you will already become more attractive to them. they love repeat business. Conversational skills etc. is also important. Almost nobody will be turned down, I've never seen it happen. These girls are used to fucking EVERYBODY. Like at McDonalds everybody who pays can have a Big Mac. Try to create chemistry though, it will likely improve your experience. It is important to remember, these are regular girls. After work they go home and make spaghetti and watch TV. So they will also respnd to regular chemistry and human interaction. I like to "forget" that I am fucking a prostitue and try to imagine that I am with a girl for the first time and try to please her somehow...but that is just my thing. Have had some fantastic sexual experiences that way, trying to make it "real" also seemed to please the girls, especially the latinas.
3) Generally speaking the girls prefer white or latin guys, at least that is the impression I get. Turks are banned from most clubs I've been too. Black guys are rarely seen, but I don't know if that is policy or just chance. Black Americans are considered a different category than Africans. The Hollywood effect. The fact that Turks and Africans are banned from many clubs has less to do with German racism (Germany is one of the LEAST racist places on the planet) but with rather the disgusting behavior of these ethnic groups' male youth. It really is a bad apple that ruins the barrel, and there are a lot of bad apples in those barrels, especially when it comes to their opinions of and treatment of women, particularly prostitutes. I've never experienced any anti-Americanism, mostly just curiousity and comments on circumcision. Most Europeans are surprised to learn that 95% of Americans are circumcised. In Europe mainly Arabs and Turks are circumcised, nobody else. Some prefer circumcised guys, others are just curious. No prejudice on that though.
4) Level of English varies wildly. A lot of the girls also only speak basic German since they are foreigners themsleves and only work seasonly in Germany. Many girls, particularly from Eastern Europe and South America, speak no English whatsoever. So German does help, but there will be some English speaking girls with at least basic skills.
BTW: if you are coming to Germany, maybe we could hook up and go to a club together. I am often travelling, so I can't guarantee anything, but drop me a line anyway, could be fun. Definitely more fun than sitting in a club alone for hours "recharging" after round 1....:) dafunk@cityweb.de
I don't know of any club that bans turks.
I do know that at PHG if a group of turks (especially young ones) comes they might tell them that the club is full. But this is more on a case to case basis than a policy.
There are lots of turks at Atlantis and Oase, on every single trip there there have been many.
Many clubs also don't let in large groups of Russians or Gypsies. Generally the tendency is to be careful in letting in large groups.
Peter
Peter,
I assumed they were banned because I've never seen any in a club, ever.
Maybe I need to visit more clubs...:)
As far as I'm concerned anybody who behaves in a civilized manner should be let in.
Gang mentality can lead to trouble. Just so we are clear on this, a group of loud GIs or obnoxious Englishmen are just as annoying as a bunch of groping Turks or whatever.
.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter
[i]I don't know of any club that bans turks.
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FKK Dortmund Applerbeck banned all foreigners or non-german-speaking people, but it's closed at the moment anyway. On their answering machine there was even the German National Anthem.
cu
kaleu
Dr. Skank,
When I was visiting Atlantis, I saw 3- 4 of young (in their 20s) middle eastern looking guys there one day. I did not observe any problems caused by them, though. Maybe they were regulars?
Arnie,
I witnessed exactly what you are talking about -- some ladies turning guys down at Atlantis as well. As you mentioned, they pretended as if they did not understand you, or as if they were busy.
Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? I would like to visit there again, but would like to avoid the high hotel cost (since this time, it wouldn't be a business trip). Not much success from google search.....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain City
[i]
Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? I would like to visit there again, but would like to avoid the high hotel cost (since this time, it wouldn't be a business trip). Not much success from google search..... [/i][/QUOTE]
http://www.frankfurt-tourismus.de/default.htm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain City
[i]Dr. Skank,
Does anybody know if there are any web sites that post the trade fair schedules in Frankfurt? [/i][/QUOTE]
Try this url
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/home.html
Wizard and Trojan_tds,
Thank you guys for the information. I will make a trip plan based on the convention schedules in Frankfurt. Review should follow shortly thereafter.
Hi all,
What's the closest FKK to Brussels ? As I only have one afternoon, I'll prefer not to spend too many hours driving.
I've searched Kaleus excellent site, however mapvise it's a bit difficult to find all these small towns.
Thanks in advance for all asistance.........
U
Babylon in Elsdorf is probably the closest, but it is guaranteed at least a 2.5 Hour drive each way. If you can invest the time for the drive to Babylon, you might as well drive 45 minutes more and check out PHG for the number of women. Make sure you have a car with Navigation or some good internet directions, these places are not that easy to find. Also if you look on Kaleu's list you can look for the postal code, ones that start with 4 or 5 are your best bet.
Peter
Is anyone going to be in Germany and want to split costs from Frankfurt (is frankfurt the best place for a fkk CLUB?) to a FKK Club?
I would like to try it out because you guys make it sound pretty cool but I don't want to go by myself. Also it sounds as if you have to drive out to them so maybe a car would be cheaper if split costs.
I'm 26.
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6pack,
Frankfurt is sort of the mecca because the 3 biggest and physically most impressive clubs are all within 1 hour of the city.
The Cologne-Düsseldorf-Ruhr Area is the true mecca. Here there are no really physically impressive clubs, but the prices tend to be lower and the women are on even footing.
If you are looking for an all day wellness package with over 50 women then you have to head for Frankfurt, if 15-40 girls in a comfortable environment are enough for you then the Düsseldorf area has quite a few alternatives.
I would give the advicwe to not set yourself on one destination. Look for a good flight deal either to Frankfurt ((Not the Ryan Air BS airport of Frankfurt Hahn) which is at least 1 hour in the wrong direction (for FKK Fans) from Frankfurt) or one of the airports in the Düsseldorf area. Here you have the choice of the real Düsseldorf Airport, Mönchengladbach (very convenient for Happy Garden visitors), Düsseldorf Niederrhein, or if there is no other alternative Köln-Bonn.
If you are coming from the states you can probably find a good flight deal to either of the big airports (FFM or DUS).
Can't help you on the partnering up aspect though.
Peter
D-dorf area mongerers,
Spending the week in D-dorf but so far every night is taken with business, blah, blah....
but now unexpectedly, I have weds. night free. Interested in hooking up?
write me off-board at icuucmec@netscape.net
Dear posters,
I'm an asian travelling in Germany, I plan to visit one of this FKK club - it sounds very interesting after seeing the postings here. Understand that these FKKs originate from the Ruhr region, by any chance can I find them in Frieseland (Northern region)?
I'm staying in Bremerhaven and have seen some advertisements for "Sauna" - are they the same as FKK? or r they just plain sauna services (without sex)? At first glance I thought "Sauna" shops are similar to Spa centers in Asia, with message etc.
Plan to travel to the Sex capital - Hamburg in 2 weeks time, are there any FKK there?
Mighty appreciate anyone's help to my queries. Thanks!
p.s. You may also email me at corkgila@yahoo.com
CG
Ah, I think there is one FKk-type club in Bremen, and I know there is a (rather sub-standard) FKK club in Hamburg, but you really should understand a basic fact of FKK reality:
The best FKK clubs are either founded in the Ruhr Gebeit part of Germany or around Frankfurt. Yes there are clubs and action to be found in other parts other cities. Hamburg has its own reputation and its own problems. I doubt whether any serious sex-hobby experts would call Hamburg "Sex Capital," rather "Sex Rip-off Capital!" Forget that place.
For real action, you have to hit the FKKs round Dusseldorf/Koln, or better yet Frankfurt am Main. If you are serious these are the places you will hit, thoght this be only me own humble opinion, kind Sir...
Ortos
Hamburg is only the ripoff capital of german sex. Do NOT hobby in that town, you will be terribly disappointed! The worst place around is the Reeperbahn. Most girls working there never actually have sex, they just rip the guys off.
The Norhtern part of Germany has virtually no FKK's. In Bremerhaven you are about a 3 hour car ride from any decent club.
Sauna ad's in the newspapers are pretty much like massage parlours in Asia, but with no legitimate massage part. Most Sauna's are 3-5 girls working out of an appartment. some are OK, but not my thing. The pricing is more erratic and the chances of a flop are higher. the choice in number of women is also smaller.
Don'T waste your time and money on bad experiences, if you can't get to a real FKK, don't hobby too much.
Peter
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I am in the process of seeking overseas employment within US DOD. I'm sick of the American woman's mantra of "it's lined with gold" and hassle from LE. Most of my opps. will be in Germany or close by. After reading posts from doctor_skank, kaleu, et al. it appears as though the rules of KSS are not much different than my rookie experiences in S. Spain.
My question is simple: I'm a white American, overweight (duh!) & trying to learn German. The most important factors I have gleened from the posts are language & civility. I can do that if I stay away from real beer. Given that I can be civilized, can my sex life be improved outside the US? At this point in my life,, I prefer to "pay as I go". Please excuse my ignorance, all I have to go on are stories & being a fairly new member, my posts are being edited by admin. Any response would be helpful, otherwise, I'll show up drunk on your doorstep & embarass the locals with my ignorance.
Guys,
I will be visiting Atlantis and Oase on a saturday next month.
I have read reviews and stuff about different Fkk's and would like to know if anyone knows of Oase/Atlantis type FKK's in Cologne / Dusseldorf / Bonn or any place close by accesible by public transportation on a wednesday night.
I am heading to Amsterdam from Paris and have a wednesday night in between to pass.
I was thinking of going to pegasus but i guess paradise in Amsterdam (Thursdays gang bang) is much better and cheaper than it, so would it make sense to go to Pegasus? Plus is pegagsus all asian or do they have some german girls too?
I also read reviews on Brussels/Luxemburg but they were not so encouraging. So basically anyone know of any really great places in and around the areas mentioned above.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all.
121,
Once you've been to Paradise Amserdam on a Thurs. nite, Pegasus would be a definite letdown.
d-dorf has loads of possibilities in town (Dolce Vita and Tropicana) or out of town in Wuppertal, PHG or Wildenrath, etc. On a Wednesday night though, try Beverly in Solingen-Burg, similar scene to Paradise, but alot more raunchy. you'll need a taxi or car though or stay nearby.
For all of the above see the relevant postings elsewhere on the board.
I finally have some times to post some reviews after my first FKK trip which was about 2 months ago. I appreciate those who answered my questions that I posted before my trip. I visited these clubs and I place them in the order of my preference: Atlantis, Oase, Sudbad, Babylon, Bernds, Relax, Wiago, Parksauna, Mondail, FKK World. Yes, FKK-World is at the bottom of my list because I didn't see any girl that was above a 6 while I was there. In fact, I didn't even spend on any lady because I was extremely picky on look. I preferred the early 20s one, but most of the girls at World were around late 20s to 30s. Perhaps, World had just been opened for a week or 2 at that point and needed some times to build up its reputation. I may check back to World next time since others have posted good reviews since my visit.
My overall experience was mostly positive, with few minor exceptions. I can't remember the names of most girls that I spent time with probably because I was overwhelmed with those clubs and allowed my other head did the thinking. Doctor_Skank was right that the ladies there f*** every body as long as you have the Euros and a good hygiene which I did. Of all the hotties I was with, all of them provided bbbj, but not all of them allowed dfk on which I'll comment little bit later. Most of them allowed daty. Only half of them allowed being fingered. Surprisingly, none turned down my request on CIM, with extra $ of course. I don't think I want to go to every single thread and review what has already been written or said by many other posters here. I'm going to comment the unusual or the unexpected that I don't seem to see anyone mentioning.
1) I was surprised to know that a girl at Bernds initiated the penetration without cover. She's the Moroccan girl in her early to mid 20s with shoulder long black hair. I didn't f*** her, but my buddy did. He told me that after she gave him a bbbj, she rode on top of him and put his inside her without any protection and without letting him know in advance. When he realized that he was bare backed, she told him that she's safe and clean. He was crazy enough not to object to it and let her ride it out. He did pull it out before he came. I warned him about that risky behavior because if she did that to him, she has probably done that with some other guys before. I was under the impression that if a girl has sex with a client without condom, she would be in trouble. I guess it isn't so as long as the clients don't mind about it and keep that quiet.
2) When I walked into Wiago, a blond girl caught my eyes. I later found out that her name is Samantha who, imho, was the best looking girl there. When I was about to go up to her, another guy got ahead of me. I decided to wait. That guy's session was unusually short, which made me wondering. It turned out that he got freaked out because of what he saw on Samantha. As he was going down on her, he discovered that her private areas were covered with wart-alike reddish bump. Samantha told him that she had that ever since she was a little kid. How could that be possible? I decided to choose another girl, Denise, who gave me an ok session. I was wondering if Samantha once had genital warts or some kind of venereal disease. Is it possible that she used to have STD, and since she is in remission now and hence allowed to work again? Is it fair to assume that any good looking girl can work in an FKK club (assuming she's a legal resident) regardless of her pass STD history as long as at the time she has a check up that the result doesn't show any disease? The lesson is that the best looking girl may not be the safest.
3) I over heard a guy in Atlantis bragging to his pal about how he pulled out the condom just before entering the girl from behind without letting her know. I wasn't sure which girl he was talking about. How could she possibly not know or feel that or could she? Either he's a moron, idiot, or liar. Assuming he did what he said, it seems to me that he got carried away and played God with his dick without thinking about the risk associated with his action. Anyone cares to comment on that?
4) Although I don't like to generalize people, based on the reviews in this forum, there is some validity to the debate that some German girls not providing good service. People say that all stereotypes usually come from some elements of truth. I had an unpleasant experience at Mondail. (Please see the Mondail thread.) I almost had a similar experience at Oase with a 5'9" tall thin brunette who has a model-looking body with an A cup. I sat next to her trying to find out what kind of girl she is. She's a German speaking rudimentary English but understood well. As I continued to create some kind of conversation, she told me bluntly that she can not continue to talk because she's there to make money. I slowly stood up and walked away. Later on, the guy from my tour had a 30 min session with her, and I was told that she didn't provide dfk and didn't allow daty. I was glad that I stayed away from her. I think her name may be Jasmine or something, but I could be wrong. Despite with my experience, I still didn't believe that all German girls provide bad service. I was right. When I was at Sudbad, I had a heavenly time with this tall nice looking German dirty-blonde girl with the name of Christina with small breasts. With her long lizard-like tongue, she really DFKed the hell out of me. She's a super f**ker that I could hardly keep up with her.
5) One other comment is that most of the girls I spent with smoked. When dfk-ing these ladies, I sometimes could smell the cigarettes or something from their breath which sometimes turned me off since I don't smoke. Another thing is that many of them like to put on their bodies some kind of lotion which can have some strange smell and taste badly if you try to lick their tempting bodies.
Great report SinglePro...thanks for all the tips on the ones that don't play by the rules. Health inspections are what make this an even more enjoyable and reliable experience. I depend on it.
SinglePro,
Thanks for the detailed report. Always good when guys provide feedback.
Here's my comments:
1) I have yet to ever leave an FKK with getting laid like you did at FKK World, but if I couldn't find anything worth screwing, I would. Looks are very important. Why pay money to fuck someone unattractive.
2) The girl who did it w/o a condom shocks me. That is just ridiculous in that kind of environment. Hope she stays healthy and hope your friend is ok. In his position I'd definitely get checked. I've had girls rub their vaginas on my cock when there was no condom on, but I would never penetrate an FKK girl without a condom.
3) The guy at Atlantis who penetrated the girl without a condom is evil. That is just wrong. We'd all prefer fucking without condoms but breaking the rules in that fashion is cruel to the girls. Probably nothing happened, but doing such reckless things has the potential to destroy lives. I really can't understand this. When I was in Bulgaria a German guy there told me he regularly tore off his condom and came inside prostitutes. He laughed about as if it was some kind of sport. I am sure he is the kind of guy who never has himself checked for anything. I told him he was an asshole and refused to speak to him afterwards. I felt like punching him.
4) The girl with the possible STD in remission is also scary. I think about this sometimes too. 90% of the girls working at FKKs are clinically clean. When at FKK Cocoon yesterday (I posted on it) all the girls suddenly disappeared and had to go see the doctor for a quick checkup. I am always glad to hear this. I rarely feel like there is any danger since a condom is always used, but BBBJ is also not 100% safe and I always let girls do this to me. So I am glad that there is at least some semblance of medical checks taking place. I get myself checked every couple of months too.
5) Seems to me as well that all girls smoke. Seems to be part of the business.
6) German girls giving bad service is a clichee, but like most, it is based on some experience. I think they give good service, but many don't kiss let alone DFK and many are quite mechanical in their performance. But have had great ones too. DFK is very important for me. Makes my experience much better...I almost always try for some form of GFE.
Glad you had a great time at the FKKs. They really are fantastic.
Hi All
Reading these reports abot FKK clubs makes me wish I could fly to Germany tomorrow. Why is it that we don't see this format anywhere else? of course, forget about the US! it'll never happen here.
One question: Most if not all of the reports discussed multiple sessions with different ladies in one visit. Are you guys young studs in your 20's? I thought the average customer is a middle-aged business man. When I go and can only manage one session, I'm going to feel so cheated.
Vegas1
vegas,
No, we are not all young 20-yr old studs.
Go to the FKKs, you will have more than one session, believe me.
Space out your sessions by a couple of hours, and swallow 15mgs of viagra. You'll have at least 2 sessions.
Vegas,
Although it's hard to admit, I'm not 20 years old anymore. Just go, pace yourself, relax between sessions - the nicer clubs have plenty of downtime options- even take a nap if you' like. I can easily do 5 sessions spread out over the night and have never popped that blue pill.
Enjoy!
I'm visiting Dusseldorf and Giessen on 14 - 18 Oct, hiring a car. If anybody is around maybe we can cross paths. I'm aiming to go to Beverly a couple of nights, FKK World, and some other places.
Have you been to Beverly before? I have a couple of posts on here with details.
Sorcerer - no, this will be my first time at Beverly (a couple of previous plans went wrong and I ended up at Ralph and Tina's, and Mettman). I've read your excellent reports closely - thanks. If all goes well I may do Beverly on three nights (if I have the stamina)
Vegas,
I actually am a young stud at the end of my 20's, but I am amazed at how most of the middle aged guys can pull off more sessions than I could ever dream of. I take about 1-2 hours of downtime between sessions and rarely have a problem.
The FKK system as it is today has pretty much evolved from the Therma's in Brazil. The first FKK opened in Germany about 20 years ago, but the new ones are more like brazilian Thermas. But just as the car was invented somewhere else and prefected in Germany, so it is with pay sex. I have posted on this before. In Germany the FKK's are 99% for the locals and not specifically for Toruists (In Thailand it is the opposite). This means there is no tourist rip off stuff, they want and get repeat customers, so it is all about customer service and good value for money.
Was at World yesterday for the 2 Year Anniversary party of the Main German Forum. They have the facilities down pat, but the ladies are sub-par at best. About 40 girls there and even with the most leeway I could manage there were no more than 6 girls I could even get it up for. Only 3 real highlights, booked a brunette german named Vanessa who was amazing, worked for a couple of weeks in Babylon, but in her 3 days in world she likes it better. I hope she decides to move to a club closer to Cologne where I head more often, because as much as I enjoyed her, I wouldn't return to World just for her. Back to World. I left the party early because after 2 sessions I ran out of girls that I was interested in having sex with in exchange for cash. I left at 9pm and headed to Wildenrath, where there were there were 8 really hot girls among the 12 working (at least 4 were at least on par with the best at World).
If you want to see the facilities or you have a business or personal reason to go to Giessen then head to World, otherwise the best clubs in Germany at the moment are in the Düsseldorf Area, Planet Happy Garden, Cocoon, Wildenrath, or the clubs on the A40 have the best women.
Some German board members are saying that my old favourite club, Fantasyland in Gorgeshausen is picking up again. New owners and a better environment for the guests and the ladies. What that club used to be is what Wildenrath currently is for me.
Peter
firsts
my first post on here and my first time experience at an fkk club.
i drove my own car, trying to find the place, and there it was-- atlantis. inside, i paid the 65 euro entrance fee, got my locker key, took my shower, and off i went adventuring into something new, having some expectations as well as not knowing what else to expect.
so i walked into the main area inside (seeing the indoor swimming pool, the bar, and the many-many hott-looking ladies), and immediately, a girl approached me. wow! she was of asian descent-- thai and had a very nice and curvaceous body. we had a brief introduction-chat and she asked, "if i was horny and would like to go upstairs." hmm, let me think about why i'm here in the first place. lol. anyways, even though i wanted to go with her, i had to politely reject the "get-together" as i was still adjusting myself to the foreign setting and wasn't fully ready yet. and so i continued walking, looking, staring, gawking (pretty much all at once) and trying to see what prospects there were for me. i found myself an empty couch and so i figured i'd watch the action in play between "client" and "hostess". it was about 17.00 early evening on a saturday, sitting and observing from the couch, there seemed to be a lot more girls than there were guys. some girls were hovering around what i think was a fountain and around the bar; some were lying down and showing their "good stuff" enticing potential walking wallets; while others were walking around trying to find some interested guys. at the moment i was just content to watch.
as i was just watching from the couch, this beautiful blonde decided to sit down on the couch beside mine. she looked at me, looked away for a brief moment, and then looked at me again and could see that i was taking an interest in her tempting body, and motioned me to sit next to her. i was settled in by that time and was definitely ready to start my fkk experience. and so i sat next to her. introduced myself and found out her basic info; nicole, 24-yrs old from poland-- seemed like a nice girl. her english was okay and the communication barrier wasn't too bad. she could tell that i was a newbie there, and explained to me the process of "if you like the girl, then you ask her to go with you upstairs." so i didn't hesitate to ask her to be my first fkk girl. and off we went.
the room was a fairly sized room-- big enough for what looked to be a queen-sized bed or maybe a little smaller. and for your privacy in order to separate the room from the hallway, you've got the curtain (no concrete door). good little set-up i guess. nicole laid down her towel on the bed, and i followed along with her and did the same. and then we got started. she had me lying down on my backside, while she kissed my body, my chest, and rubbing her nice soft, saggy tits against my cock. gave a decent bbbj for what seemed like a fair amount of time. then, she got the condom, and we moved into the missionary position. this went on for some time. then she got onto her hands and knees and i mounted her from behind doing her doggie-style. her performance was so-so. it was definitely not a gfe. what got me puzzled was that i was having a hard time keeping my erection. i couldn't believe it. here i am with a good-looking girl, and i'm having problems. lol i've never had the problem, but i guess there's a first for everything. i think that i was just too anxious and nervous which might've caused "my boy" to not perform for me. well when i was feeling like i was going limp, i suggested she give me another bbbj. i did get hard again, but she asked me to not cim. it was towards the end of the 30-minute time session that she started giving me a hj; trying to get me to release my "nut" (which i didn't and my dick just went dead after a few minutes). i don't know. maybe i just needed to be more relaxed, but the whole experience felt very mechanical and the 30-mins felt very short. i wished it was 50 euros for an hour and at least i would've been somewhat satisfied. anyways, there was no way i going to pay another 50 euro for another 30 minutes with nicole, and so the session was ended. so i paid her the 50 euros, got showered again, and i was on to find the next girl.
i will be brief with the next girl because she was pretty much a pity-fuck. lol i really didn't want to go with her but with her persistence on wanting me to go with her, i just caved in (words of wisdom: don't be like me and cave in to desperate pussy). she was an african girl from spain she claims. her name: jacky. there was a gap in her teeth. lol i wasn't attracted to her at the slightest and would have rather gone with one of the other more fine-looking black girls. anyways, i wasted 50 euros on her already and can't go back in time. oh well. she was ok. we did it upstairs. she gave a half-hour massage that she claims was a free service on her part (i guess it was a good deal for 50 euros), bbbj, and full service. but again, which was beginning to upset me, i did not get to release any of my "nut".
i was frustrated with myself. i definitely did not want to end the evening not feeling satisfied. well, i figured that maybe the problem was that i needed to rest and revitalize myself more, and so i showered and went and found myself some food and drinks. all free, however, i think i'd rather pay for some good food than eat some of that free stuff there they called food. anyways, by that time in the evening, there seemed to be more selection of women, however, there were tons of guys there it seemed as well. it made me wish that i had chosen wisely earlier in the day, but oh well. now the competition for the good-looking girls was a little higher.
again, i found myself a seat on a couch. watching to see whom i was going to snatch up next. (for the average guy like myself, facing the choice of so many beautiful girls, it really was a challenge to choose) not too long after sitting down, an extremely attractive, tall blonde approached me and pretty much just threw herself on my lap and started caressing my body, dfk on the couch, and i just started getting into it with her on the couch. i wish i could remember her name, but i do remember she said she was 25 yrs. old and from spain. she was definitely getting me excited. and so she suggested that we continue elsewhere. i agreed and she led me outside to this indian teepee-type of tent. lol it was definitely cold outside that evening. of course i wasn't too distracted by the temperature. i just went with the flow of things. i wish that i could remember if the tent had a zip-up door or if it didn't. well, if it didn't some people who could've walked by the tent would've gotten a free show i guess. lol anyways, some more dfk and she had amazingly nice, big, and natural tits. she gave a pretty good bbbj that led to her riding on top of me. she was definitely a wild one-- dfk during the whole time, which was definitely a good thing. i went daty with her. good full service with her, however, by the 30 minute mark, i still did not cum. i didn't extend my time with her (though now that i think about it, i wish that i had extend). how do these girls time these sessions anyways? 30 minutes seemed so short of time. i don't know. it was all so new to me. i guess 50 euros for 30 minutes with a good-looking girl would be considered a bargain compared to other places in the world. anyways, i only had enough euros on me for one or two more sessions and so i wanted to find myself an asian girl next.
by that time in the night, there was a ridiculous amount of guys and finding an asian girl, let alone an attractive one seemed a challenge. i was looking for the thai girl i had met earlier in the day, but couldn't find her. of course, everywhere i went there were one or two girls pulling me to the side and seeing if i wanted to go with them. they were mostly the unattractive ones (at least unattractive to me), and i wanted asian. i must've walked around in circles for an hour and still no luck. some time during that night, there were some fireworks. it was quite a spectacle to see everyone naked, half-covered in towels outside watching fireworks. anyways, as i continued walking and looking, i was surprised to be pulled to the side by an attractive brunette. she was a friend with the blonde from spain. she was cuban from barcelona and 25 yrs. old as well if my memory's correct. again, i couldn't remember her name. she too was very aggressive and had a very smooth and smokin' body. and so i abandoned the whole "asian search" and took her upstairs where we ran into a line because all the rooms were being used. can you imagine waiting in line to have sex? lol anyways, it wasn't too long of a line to wait, and i didn't really notice the waiting time, as i was pretty much distracted with the sinful body that i had in my grasp. well, when we finally got a room, i wanted to go daty with her first. she seemed to like what i was doing, or maybe she was very good at faking it. i don't know. worked for me. then she gave a pretty good bbbj and then somehow managed to put on the condom without me realizing it. anyways, she was a good performer, but of course by the 30-minute mark, i still wasn't done. she asked if i wanted to continue for the hour. i agreed, as i wanted to cum at least once for the day. so we continued, and we did it in different positions and yesss!! i finally came inside her doing it doggie-style. it was definitely a good relief, and i was definitely satisfied. there were some minutes left before the hour and so she just gave me a massage. after all was said and done. she got her 100 euros, and i was done for the day.
well, my overall opinion regarding my first time at an fkk club was good. i would definitely recommend to any and all guys who haven't gone to one of these clubs to definitely check it out. seeing how i'll be living here in germany for a couple more years, i think the next time that i go, it should definitely be better, now that i have a better feel for it all, and i know what to expect.
reading through some of the posts on the wsg forum here definitely helped.
t.c.
Hello,
My first attempt at travel to Frankfurt, so I was hoping to have some information before finlaizing the flights:
I'll have a 2-3 day stopover in Frankfurt from 12/31-1/2.
Is New year's Eve and Day a good time to viist Frankfurt?
How does the activity change in general and especially at the FKK clubs aroung that time?
Am I better off planning for another time?
Thanks for your help.
T Chizzle a very nice report, very detailed. I will have a layover in Germany and how can I get to Atlantis without renting a car? CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS? The previous directions from other members seems to be confusing.
Worf:
Here's a link to the webpage for the Frankfurt Public transportation system. This will help you plan your trip to Atlantis.
Detailed instructions wouldn't help you, because certain trains and busses run only on certain days. Therfore, what would work on Thursday would not work on Sunday.
http://www.vgf-ffm.de/english/fahrplan.html
It's pretty self-explanatory: you provide the date and times you want to travel, along with your starting point and destination, and the software plots your course for you and tells you how much it will cost.
Hi,
I'm going to be in Berlin for a few days and am interested in trying out La Folie.
Also, I'm meeting an ex girl friend there and would like to encourage her to attend some sauna clubs with me. She's not into swinging but is into nudity. Can anyone recommend where we could go to? Somewhere that we can also have a good perve!
Are there any protocals that we should observe?
Thanks alot
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Thanks Arnie, I appreciate it.
No worries, mate. Let me know if you have any questions with the search feature.
AS anyone ever used the FKK tour guides? It's about the same price as renting a car to drive to the clubs. Just that you have to pay admission for the guide who drives you around.
I have. I can highly recommend the outfit I used. Is there anything special you want to know?
I just came back from Brazil, Rio and Sao Paulo.
I am interested in The FKK CLUBS in Germany. Which is the best? Has the most quality of woman for the money? For the value 2 girls at once.
I like light skinned blondes with big tits. with firm body and speak some english.
I am from the USA I loved the Termas in Rio de Janeiro but heard of the FKK CLUBS in Germany.
Can anyone list some websites that have guided tours that drive you to the fkk clubs or different clubs and bars to have sex with woman in Germany?
Is the week before Christmas a good or bad time to visit Fkk club in Germany?
Does anyone know the current exchange rate from USA TO Germany?
Are most of the FKK clubs withing driving distances within an hour or are they cities apart and would take days to enter most Fkk clubs?
Thank You
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Yes Arnie I would appreciate that, I saw a link to a site that had Fkk tours for 150 euro with a driver. Is this the same one you used?
Website for guided FKK tours:
http://www.cfit.com/tour.htm
Hope this helps.
Watcher,
Go to Kaleu's web site for list of FKK clubs (http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de.vu/).
I'm afraid it will not take days, but weeks or even months to do most of them. There are over 150 on Kaleu's list.
And, by the way, Germany no longer has its own currency. For exchange rate to the euro, ask George Bush, he has done a great job. The USD lost about 30% in a year. ;-) More seriously, it's 1.17 USD for 1.00 EUR today, but ask your bank when you're about to come. The exchange rate fluctuates awfully fast, up and down like a yoyo. Today the euro will cost you 10% more than a month ago, 5% less than 4 months ago and 20% more than 8 months ago. In December, experts say that the USD should be further down, to 1.30 USD for 1.00 EUR, unless there is a dramatic recovery in the US (or disaster in Europe).
GandJim
Six-month Euro forecast here:
http://www.forecasts.org/euro.htm
Well... a different forecast here (down to USD 1.30 for EUR 1.00, with the thinking behind it) :-)
http://www.dailyfx.com/article_rr_006.html
Now, which site gave a forecast last year for the USD going down to 1.20 this year ? This one did. ;-)
Edited : Re-reading posting guidelines, I realise we're getting pretty off-topic here. Sorry, Jackson ! :-( This is my last post on this. ;-)
>>Yes Arnie I would appreciate that, I saw a link to a site that had Fkk tours for 150 euro with a driver. Is this the same one you used?<<
I believe so. I used the outfit advertised in the link I posted a few days ago. I can recommend it.
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I am going through Frankfurt and will have an eight hour layover, from 11 AM to 7 PM. Is there an FKK Club that is open during those hours and is close enough for me to get back to the airport in plenty of time? I sure hope so.
I appreciate any feedback from you experienced mongers!
DoDger,
RTF, as they say. There are several local to Frankfurt that you could go to easily in that time frame. I would recommend Paradise and/or Dietzenbach. Each is less than 45 minutes by taxi from the Airport. You could get there with no rush. Assume you need to be back at the airport by 5 pm (2 hours befor int'l flight?) you could land at 11, get out of baggage by 11:30, be in the club by 1 pm easy. Spend 4 hours with a series of women (2 or 3 at least, no?) and make it back to the airport.
Be safe.
Mark
DodgerBulldog,
FKK F35 should also be reachable by taxi from the airport in under 30 minutes.
Someone posted somewhere on this site directions to FKK Dietzenbach from the airport by public bus. You may or may not make it in your short lay-over. Do a keyword search for "Dietzenbach".
Good luck,
V.
Anybody is interested on where the FKK clubs are located.
If you have a GPS system, you can find it faster. The coordinates will take you there approximately or within the area.
http://www.geocities.com/timbertree00/fkk.htm
Advice: If you are planning to go to Germany. Things to think about when you plan to go with a partner, group or by yourself.
Tip: If you do not have Euro with you, just exchange a small amount at the airport. There are a lot of banks in small towns (people do need to use bank and ATM), and they do not have any commission and usually give you the best possible exchange rate. My mistake was exchanging a large amount at the Airport, the have commission plus the exchange rate if very lousy. You are better off using an ATM rather than those people at the airport make the currency exchange.
If you are travelling alone, unless you are an experience driver or very good at reading maps. I suggest that you get some sort of Navigational system, this will save you time and money driving around. The website with the GPS coordinates posted on the some website take you approximately to the club or at least in the area.
The tours are good, you have company along the way and never worry about getting lost or maps (just relax and enjoy your visit to the clubs), but the only drawback is expensive.
Travelling by yourself, if you are not familiar with the area it can cause you frustration of getting lost and gas is quite expensive. It would be good to travel with a companion, and I would have only saved on car, gas and hotel(probably).
Travelling with a companion is probably your best bet, but of course you have to make sure the he is going. Better have a backup plan if he doesn't arrive. The best way is have your companion setup the car or the hotel. And ge each others confirmation.
I have been trying to make car reservations for 3 days around new year in Frankfurt.
For full size car (mercedes c) the cheapest I have found is US$315 for 3 days on Hertz. Sixt is more expensive.
And that's for a manual transmission (which I have never driven). Also no navigation system guarantee.
Can someone give me an idea of current taxi fares from downtown frankfurt to Atlantis and Oase and World.
I know taxis are not cheap, but if the difference between car and taxi isn't great , then I would prefer not to drive.
Thanks.
Badass
Taxis in Germany are expencive.
To Atlantis from Frankfurt could cost you between
60-70Eu or more each way.
To get from Atlantis to Oasis it's around 100EU
I know its a bit of a risk but the trick is to book the smallest group A or B car and ask for an upgrade when you get to the rental counter .They usually are very keen to give you a good deal.(but it all depends on what they have available when you turn up)
I was in Holland last week and booked a group A car for 134 EU for three days inclusive of airport surcharge(That alone is 28Eu)
but they offered me a upgrade to a medium size car (Volvo S70 Manual) for an extra 30 Eu (10Eu a day) an offer I could not refuse.
From my personal experince the German Rentals are even more generous (especailly if you are a frequent renter of one of the companies)
Driving in Germany is easy and fun the roads are well sign posted if you do your homework before you set out,or better still you have NAV fitted.You will find it much easier having the mobilty of a car rather than having to rely on taxi or public transport.
Dodger,
Dietzenbach is accessible by public bus from the main airport terminal - it takes approximately 50 minutes and leaves you off around the corner from the club and get this - it costs under Eur 4 each way! You can easily make it round trip with 3-4 girls and round trip to and from the club.
You may want to consider that Oase is a little less than a 30 minute drive from the airport by taxi or rental. It's easy enough to take a rental for 50- 60 Eur, be at Oase within an hour of landing in FRA, ogle the goods, have a sauna, jacuzzi and massage, and do the deed a couple of times and be back at the airport in plenty of time for the next leg of your trip...great way to beat the airline travel blues with a gleam in your eye, sigh on your lips, and **** juice on yor fingertips :-)
Badass,
Using the German Sixt site I can get a Golf for about 200€ for 4 Days.
You might also want to try booking via a travel agent in the states and buying a voucher (pay in the states). these are sometimes a really good deal. aslo if you book your flight with Expedia you can often book a rental witht he flight. Book a cheaper class, and learn to drive standard, real men drive standard.
Peter
"...and learn to drive standard, real men drive standard....."
Drive standard? That ain't gonna happen!
So I guess I'll be proving my manhood on some brazillian or moldovian's ass in a couple of weeks.:)
Does Golf have a navigation system?
Iseeu,
Thanks for your posts regarding public transportation to Club Dietzenbach from FRA airport. Do you happen to know how to get to this club by public transportation from downtown Frankfurt (without backtracking back to the airport)?
Thanks,
V.
Viagrant - take a regional express bus from the main train station to the sudbahnhof (southern train station). Cross through the station to the other side outside and from there take the 961 bus to Max Planck strasse which is around the corner from the club. It should take about 45 minutes travel time. Enjoy.
I'm ready for another FKK trip. Can someone who is proficient in German translate the following questions/statements in to German, using the polite form? Please translate the ones in the parenthesis also. Some of them are supposed to be compliments. Many thanks.
1) Please don't use your hand that much, use your mouth (lips, tongue).
2) Can you suck little bit hard?
3) Can you wrap your hands and legs around me?
4) Please take your time. (Please don't rush.)
5) If I don't finish in 30 minutes, I will extend another 30 minutes.
6) I wish you were my girl friend (wife)!
7) I want to spend an other 30 minutes just kissing you. :-)
Single Pro,
You don't use the polite form with hookers, and I am really a polite guy with thegirls. they introduce themselves with their first name and you use your first name too so you are already on a first name basis, that is why not the polite form.
1)Bitte weniger handeinsatz, benutz nur dein Mund
2)Kannst du etwas stärker saugen?
3)Kannst du deine Arme und Beine um mich Wickeln?
4)Etwas Langsamer, wir müssen uns nicht beeilen.
5)Fals ich in 30 Minuten nicht fertig bin werde ich verlängern
6)Ich wünschte du wärest meine Freundin (Frau) - This is a horrible thing to say to a prostitute and is not a compliment is just a cheesy line and I would not use it at all. these are not stupid little Thai girls looking for a hubby to take them to the first world, these are girls who know what they are doing and haveno dreams of meeting their dream guy while on the job.
7)Ich möchte dich noch dreizig minuten lang küssen. - this line is better.
If you can give the girls legitimate and personal compliments that are genuine, then fine, but planning a compliment is crap.
Peter
All,
I am thinking of going to Frankfurt area FKK clubs December 22nd and December 29th. Does anyone want to meet? I think it might be a bit more fun if there is a small group (2-4 people) then just going alone. I have been to FKK clubs before, so I am not a newbie.
Pupsnu
Any girls do facials in the FKK's ?
in some cases, "yes" IF you ask in advance and agree to pay more in advance. And it sometimes a lot more. Personally, I have never understood why some guys like that, but I guess there are some that do. Is it a sort of "Take THAT" attitude?
Mark
I really enjoy facials and have given a lot of them. For myself it is visual erotic experience. It's never been about trying to make the girl feel bad or trying to degrade her..
No criticism intended, I just was curious what the attraction was.
Facial is not my thing either, but I believe, in Atlantis, there is a German girl who allows facial. My mongering friend did facial to her. I didn't try her because I didn't turn on by her look which is about 6, IMO. I don't remember her name. She is kind of skinny and petit (around 5'5") with dirty blond hair and A-cup breast. She speaks pretty fluent English. I was told that she's a wild girl. She seems very friendly if you talk to her. She's not new since she was there back in May when I was there.
I generally agree with the view that it's not about degrading the girl or anything like that as long as the girl agrees to do it at the price she asks for. I guess it's about fantasy fullfilling to some, visual eroticism to others, or something turned on certain people,... which many of us probably have, one form or another.
Speaking of what turns on certain people, I wonder if any girl is willing to do CIM + swallow? We pay extra for CIM, and the girls normally spit out. Can we pay even more extra for CIM with swallow? I never asked the girl. Perhaps I should have. I don't recall any post mentioning anything about paying extra for swallow.
Try Celine in Atlantis. The is a cute, petite, Croatian. The last time that I saw here (Dec. 6) she had dyed her hair red. She is pretty wild and game for almost anything.
I doubt that you will find one who will swallow, but who knows.
Singlepro - If you do find one willing to swallow please let us all know her name and place of work....
We'll know then to AVOID her and the place like the plague!
Play Safe - Live Longer!
Isseu,
Swallowing is not a big time saftey issue. The diffeence in safety levels between CIM and spitting and CIM and swallowing is virtuallz none. The chances of exposed cuts in the mouth is much larger than in the throat.
Quite a few girls offer swallowing. I have only gone for it once, because CIM ad Facials aren't really my thing. This girl Franceska at Wildenrath is all up for it. she is a little nuts and way too horny for the job. She virtually begs you to upgrade to CIM and swallowing. If I remember properly it was an additional 25 there. She is a tall blonde girl with very small breasts and a quite cute face.
Peter
I agree with Peter. If a girl is going to allow CIM, it is perhaps even "safer" for her to swallow since it gets it out of her mouth faster. Infectious agents have much less chance of surviving in the stomach than in the mouth.
As a provider once said to me, "If a girl is going to let you come in her mouth, she might as well swallow."
Peter, Viagrant,
Sorry, can't agree. CIM, spitting and rinsing means that she's getting rid of and cleansing her system quickly.
Swallowing means that any possible disease carrying microbes stay and stay and stay...it only takes one microbe. And not wanting to be disgusting, but what she swallows, eventually comes out, and on the way out passes very close to some pretty sensitive organs.
I know that I am not a regular poster here, but this conversation caught my eye. The truth is that it matters not one bit whether she spits or swallows in terms of becoming infected by anything in the man's semen, period. Furthermore, if you're that worried about whether the girl has allowed CIM, or spits, or swallows then you are in the wrong place and are overly paranoid. The fact of the matter is that you have no idea what she does with other guys at all regardless of what she will or will not do with you. The fact that she provides a BBBJ at all is sufficient to become infected and/or pass on that infection so forget about what she does with the end result. Personally, I won't have anything to do with any girl who WON'T provide a BBBJ as the risks are extremely low and CBJ's suck ( no pun intended). Nevertheless, there are risks and only each one of us can decide what his particular risk tolerance is. Stop worrying so much and start fucking more.
Trashman,
Truth is I fully agree, and if I was paranoid would be collecting stamps or whatnot. I posted my original comment to stress that a lack of caution is dangerous and if the sp shows that she's not cautious we're placing ourselves in unnecessary danger. Just be smart, and although when the blood begins flowing, and the hands become sweaty, and the heart starts racing, we sometimes let another organ take over our thinking, we need to stay just a little cautious. I also think CBJ sucks...like that one LOL
Viagent is correct in that someone who swallows is less at risk than someone who spits. Viruses and bacteria are quickly killed by the acids in the stomach, while someone who keeps it in their mouth runs a higher risk of having a microbe finding an opportunistic opening.
I was wondering, are the FKK clubs cash only or can you use credit cards?
Minnimus,
I am sorry to say the risk is the same regardless of whether she swollows or spits. While it is true the stomach acids will destroy most microbes and viruses, the contact with the mucosa in the mouth and throat remains the same and that is where the infections will occur. Even if the load is just "passing through" on the way to the stomach, the lining of the mouth and throat are coated and exposed.
It is a risk we all take.
Ice Cream Man
Ayph,
You can use cash or credit at the three big clubs. Oase, Atlantis, and World. They take all major credit cards but charge a 30% fee. I was just in World a few weeks ago and noticed that they've installed an ATM (Geldautomat).
Any recommended FFKs that can be reached reasonably easily without a car? Taxi is ok as long as the trip's not too long.
Also, what do you DO at those places? Except for the screwing I mean. Chicks will work fine as entertainment for 3 or 4 sessions, but after that you'll probably want something else to do. FKKs seem to be situated at remote locations with nothing much to do, so do people pass the time taking long strolls in the forest or stare at inanimate objects for hours once they're exhausted or do they do anything slightly more amusing? :-)
Tantrik,
FKK35 in Frankfurt can be reached by public transportation (you can get within walking distance using a streetcar).
As for what to do besides sex at an FKK, there is not much (though most have hot tubs or saunas). When I am finished with the sex, I just leave. Why would you want to hang around there after you are spent for the day?
V.
Thanks Viagrant!
Just seemed like they were at remote locations, so going to the nearest city would take hours and thus be a hassle. Do you know if Oase and Atlantis are reachable by non-auto means?
[quote] You can use cash or credit at the three big clubs. Oase, Atlantis, and World. They take all major credit cards but charge a 30% fee. [/quote]
Do you mean a 3% fee?
Tantrik,
I don't think Oase or Atlantis are easily reached by public transportation. In Frankfurt you can get to FKK 35 by streetcar and a little walking, and you can get to FKK Dietzenbach by bus (see the appropriate forums for directions).
V.
LOL, Badass....3%... :-D .... when I was there last year it was 10%. Prices usually go up.
NB
Tantrik,
Oase is fairly accessible via train from FRA and then taxi. See previous post a couple of months back in the appropriate place. Atl and World are less accessible...The more local clubs such as Dietzenbach and FKK 35 are easily reachable. I would still recommend a car - get a good rental deal and even with the astronomical gasoline prices it's much easier to get around and definitely more time efficient and convenient.
the big clubs have saunas, hot tubs, masseuses, TV with live sports, bars and people to talk to. I usually spend 8-10 hours at a club, and don't remember being "bored". You're in every man's fantasy when you're there, and amongst the select few in the world who are lucky enough to be able to enjoy this fantasy. So bored doesn't enter into the equation.
enjoy
Tantrik
If you're going to use public transport get times and fares from the bahn.de website (there is an English option). It's detailed, accurate and even gives maps if you have to walk the last five minutes. In terms of ease to get to by public transport I think it's Oase, World. and then Atlantis.
Taking a car is by far the best option - then you can visit more than one club if one turns out to be not to your liking. A twoday car hire from Alamo can be as little as 80Euro. Some other rental companies appear to have similar prices but have add-ons (e.g. AAvis ccharges over 20E a day for CDW excess reduction - Alamo only charges 4E!) This compares well to the cost of two trips by train and then taxi to any of the clubs - and it's a lot quicker.
I'm sorry, it's 10% as Nastyboy states. Normally, I charge 300 euros on my credit card and give them 30 euros.
Thanks guys!
Really appreciate the info. Wondering if I'll choose Amsterdam instead though - ticket prices there are only 100 euro compared to 350 to Frankfurt, and Amsterdam seems to be a more fun place to be in between the action...
Tantrik
Be warned Amsterdam is the most overrated sex destination (possibly worldwide)
Yes if you are intrested in have a good time and are looking to get high in the coffee shops or more then its worth going just for that reason only.
But if its goood sex you are looking for and value for money then nothing beats Germany in the whole of western Europe "Period"
If you are sex starved ? and dont know anything better then Amsterdam might meet your needs and you will come home happy and content.
I personally recommend that you spend the extra money on the airfair and enjoy the best in Europe = GERMANY
BTW you could always fly to Amstedam and rent a car (get a good winter price deal ) drive two and a half hours on the great highways and you are in the Dusseldorf/ Klon region of FKK clubs another 2 hours and your in Frankfurt (Atlantis World and Oases are a bit closer.)
I dont know where you are coming from but Klon Dusseldorff on some of the cheaper cut rate airline like Berlin-air have some great prices on the net
I'm definately going because of the girls, no question about it. However, I wouldn't mind having something to do in between the sessions, and that's why Amsterdam seems better. Since I don't have a drivers license, it seems like the time spent travelling from the FKKs to the nearest city whenever I become bored with the girls will make it a bit impractical.
The average going rate for sex appears to be 50 euro for half an hour in the FKKs, and 100 in Amsterdam. However, you can get hourly rates at around 100 euro in Amsterdam too, if you visit a Privehuis. As for the quality of the girls, I use the Ignatzmice device, which contains reviews of and directions to some great girls. I wish something like that were implemented here, it's a search angine containing info on rating, looks etc., REALLY practical. Ignatzmice is a cityguide for Amsterdam, btw.
I want to spend around 1500 euro total on 4 days. I'll spend 200 on a hostal, and 200 for transport and food and stuff. The plane ticket to Frankfurt is 350, and it's 100 to Amsterdam. That means I can spend 750 euro on mongering in FKKs, or 1000 in Amsterdam. Using the prices I mentioned earlier, I might get a couple of more lays in the FKKs, however, the difference isn't big. Also, Amsterdam is a fun city, and FKKs are basically for screwing and nothing else. Fun for a couple of hours or six, but not the best place to stay all day for four days straight probably.
It appears to me that Amsterdam is a bad place to go if you're an average tourist and just want to try your luck at the kamers. However, I'll have work schedules and adresses to 20-30 top class girls if I go there, so I won't be relying on luck to get good company.
Do I make sense here wizard? Anyone else with an opinion?
You can also get a fast intercity train from Amsterdam to Klon Dusseldorf and Frankfurt from the central station they run very regulary. And take about the same time as a car trip.
That is if you find that the sex in Amsterdam is not up to the standard that you were expecting.
If you are not mobile then you can stick to the smaller FKK clubs in or closer to the main citys.
Or maybe if you are inquistive to at least try out one of the BIG clubs (Oases is the easiest to get to by public transport)
With this in mind you will have all the options available to you.
Should you find that Amsterdam is dissapointing for sex after giving it a try for a day or so.
Wiz, Tantrik,
I've been following your dialogue amd have my own 2 sense.
Tantrik - Go to Amsterdam for fun - great city, sights, people, beer, smokes, do the tourist thing, RLD, museums - I agree it's a can't miss city for an American abroad. Stay 2 days.
But the Wiz is right - you will never get your money's worth of sex there. Take the train to D-dorf or Frankfurt. Follow the thread here and find a nice inexpensive place to stay near one of the big clubs and fck your brains out for 15 hours a day for the other 2 days. This way you'll maximize your investment, see the sights of A-dam and have an otherworldly experience draining yourself into many beautiful women - Can't lose man....
What are the health requirements for the girls in the RLD and Fkk clubs? Do the girls at the Fkk club's get the same testing, ie. health checks as the RLD girl's. Does anybody know the frequency of testing and if so, do the Fkk club's enforce the public health codes. Really important from a public safety point of view.
Thanks
There are no health checks in RLD'S. None whatsoever. There used to be such a thing, but they figured out that it didn't provide any real form of safety and was just an administrative nightmare and got rid of it a bunch of years ago.
Also there are no checks in FKK's either. Some girls claim to get checked on a regular basis, but I think most prefer to remain blissfully ignorant.
I surf the german boards a lot and rarely read about guys complaining about STD's in FKK's. BBBJ's are the norm. I have to say that I once got a case of Gonnorhea from an FKK, but Cypro took care of that. I read of one other Gonnorhea case on the german boards, but otherwise haven't heard many complaints.
Sex is never completely safe, and prostitution isn'T either. If you want sterile perfectly safe sex stick with a monagomous relationship.
Peter
I had read that German workers were required for health checks, is this no longer true? Or was it "just on the books" and never implemented? Also, are FKK clubs officially legal or just allowed?
Main Man,
No Law, no checks. There used to be a so-called "Randy License" (Bock-Schein) which prostitutes in Eros Centres had to have to work. That was an idea from the 60's and since the nature of prostitution and disease have changed these regulations have changed. If you are paranoid, don't monger!
Prostitution is not Illegal in German, but promoting prostitution or living off the avails of prostitution are. That is why this area is always a grey-zone. Some cities try to make sure that an FKK can't open, but they are dealing mainly with zoning regulations.
The way that FKK's conform to the law is the following:
Men pay an entrance fee
Women pay an entrance fee
what happens when they meet is all their business.
The clubs cannot take a cut of the women's earnings, otherwise they would be in strange legal territory.
Most of these clubs get raided by the police on average every second year. They are looking for illegal immigrrants and people working without proper papers, sometimes for drugs, they don't bother the customers. I have been involved in 2 raids and never had to do more than show my ID.
On a recent trip to Atlantis there was a police road block on the road there and they stopped a lot of cars and searched mine. They were looking for people trafficking drugs and people.
I have also been followed by a cop leaving Wildenrath who pulleed me over to see whether I was driving drunk. He saw me leave the parking lot and probably just wanted to annoy me.
In any serious FKK (all the ones mentioned here), you don't have to worry about the legal situation.
Peter
Peter,
My confusion was in regards to a late 80s Bavarian program that was (apparantly) never implemented.
Don't be suprised if my ideas are outdated. After all, I'm from America where our President is seeking to implement 13th centrury ideals. I wouldn't be suprised if we end up using the Gregorian chant as the Nat'l anthem. LOL. As for me, I don't think I personally want to be around the condomless sex with or without disease testing. I envy you guys who get to do it with no guilt though! If it weren't for my gf maybe I could too.
Hello Friends,
I am interested in finding Turkish women in Germany. Any ideas on where I can find the maximum amount of Turkish women in an FKK Club? Any links?
Thanks
Zeybek most of the major FKK clubs will have at least a few Turkish women. Your best chances of finding them will be at Frankfurt area clubs like Atlantis, Oase, and FKK World.
What does DATY stand for in English? It would be used in a sentence like "she enjoyed DATY"?
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Sage advice, to be sure, is given just below. A further note, however: I remember a club in Essen, I believe, Club Penelope that was supposed to be run by Turks and it is said they have all Turkish women there. I cannot verify as I've never been myself, but it might be worth investigating esp if you are in that part of Germany.
Penelope in Essen is owned by Turks but there are all sorts of women there. Its pretty much a mix that similar to most FKK clubs in the area with Eastern European, Turkish, Morroccan, and a few German women. Babylon has had some good looking Turkish women, in fact the manager of club when I went there was Turkish.
Jackson, thanks for the direction to the terms and abbreviations area. It does appear in my browser and I was able to find the information. Looking quickly, I thought it was like terms of using the site and I thought I had previously looked at it when I signed on. Thanks for pointing out my error. Also, English is a third language for me and I sometimes miss things.
As to the Turkish question; Penelope in Essen does have the average number of Turkish girls working there, but the attraction is that the clientele is Turkish and all Turkish men are given admittance. This is not the case at all FKK clubs in Germany and this is caused by many Germans believing that there are too many Turks in Germany. They believe that Berlin has become the second largest Turkish populated city in the world and many Germans are upset by this. I am not personally upset by this, and there are two sides to every story.
I am not sure that Penolope is "Turkish owned". I believe it is managed by a Turkish woman and the clientele over the years has been moved to the Turkish community to fill a Nord Rhein vacuum. There will be a tremendous amount of smoking in this club, so be aware of that. Also, it is sad to say, but these gentlemen do not get the best service from the girls. So, this house is not the best place to go because the girls are used to treating the Turkish men (not 100%).
Believe me, you are better off at PHG. There are at least 4 Turkish girls working most of the time and you are almost guaranteed a great time.
[blue]Hi Lover Boy,
I'm impressed. Your English is better than most Americans.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Looks like Penelope and PHG are places to go to get some ethnic girls (Turkish, Moroccan). I had been to Atlantis and Oase and had nice sessions with a Turkish and a Moroccan.
Where can I find Perian, East Inidans (and Pakistani too)?
Trip to Hannover coming up - anyone have any recent experiences at FKK Villa? I was there before the summer and it was pretty slow then...any updates or infor from other sources?
There was a Persian girl (Iranian) working at the Cocoon in Wuppertal. She had some good reports from my friends. If you ask at the front desk area, they should know who she is. There was a Syrian girl at the Atlantis. She also got a good report, but below the Iranian. There was an East Indian girl working at Bochum (39 Freud. Str.). I have never come across a Pakistani worker in over 30 years in this hobby (in German brothel). I do not go to the windows, and this possibly is the best place to find a worker from Pakistan. As you realize, the girls move around a lot and it is difficult to pin them down. The Iranian at Cocoon was there for a while though.
Loverboy,
There is a half pakistani girl named Sara, about 22 Y/O working in Babylon, at least she has been for about a year and a half. She used to work in Atlantis, that was the first time I booked her. she is quite cute, with a nice body. when I booked her in Atlantis about 2-3 years ago together with Patricia it was a bad sesssion. Sara had a foul smell down south. Although I find her look quite good I haven't booked her again because I keep thinking of that poor smell that time.
Peter
East Indian women are very rare in Germany, however in terms of appearance many Turkish and Persian women are very similar in appearance. In fact everytime I think I see a pretty East Indian girl, she is either Greek, Turkish, or Persian. You might find some East Indian women in the UK, they as they have a large South Asian population.
There are several Turkish girls I have reported on at Dietzenbach.
Mark
Peter,
I've been with Sara on a number of occasions going DATY on her for long periods of time and I don't recall any funky smell or taste. And yes, she is very pretty IMO... tight little petite body you can play spinner with. Ironically what bugs me about her is that her teeth are quite crooked lol.
Anyhoo, if I walk into Babylon and see Laura, the teen beauty queen from Cologne, I can't concentrate on anybody else.
There's a Tunisian gal there, I think her name is Leila, big fun natural D cups... olive skin, very pretty, got those mysterious middle-eastern eyes, she might fit the bill?
FKK Lover, you referring to Laila, the really tall half Tunisian half German chic? She is hot, though my personal best experience was with a woman named Chanel, who is part Turkish part German. I might be mixing Leila up with Celina who bears a similar description. She has a friend that walks around with her a lot.
Zeybek,
During my last visit to FKK 35 in Frankfurt (Nov. 2003), I spent time with a Turkish woman named Assya (Assia??). She was the only woman of Turkish descent that I saw there.
You will find my report in the FKK F35 Frankfurt forum dated Dec. 15, 2003.
V.
CBGB, no I wouldn't call Laila tall. I'm guessing about 5'4" without the heels. Voluptious, though not plump, big non-saggy boobies and a nice big shapely rear to match. Black straight short hair. A little quiet, but smiles alot and is very friendly.
Peter,
I am like you. Once that situation occurs, I can never go back to that again. I am very lucky in that I have had this happen extremely few times. I wish it would never happen, but some people don't know how to treat business equipment in any enterprise.
By the way, Mark is right about Dietzenbach, but this is a lower tier club. It might be good for a local patron, but if you are coming from a long distance, the selection is few and the quality cannot be compared with the better clubs.
CBG,
Yes, it is a conservative culture. I am part Turkish actually. It's easy to get Turkish girls in Turkey but it is a CONSIDERABLE time investment. They won't put out fast, and I am not talking about paid service. Bud I do like Turkish babes too, so I am planning an FKK Trip and checking out the Turkish scene.
Oddly enough, from what I have read here, because of the rude and obnoxious behaviour of my half-brethren, some Turks are not allowed in FKK Clubs? I am not sure about this, I hope not. I don't look anything like your typical Turk but I do have a Turkish name.
Zeybek,
The only club that I know that has an official policy of not letting Turks in is one in dortmund, that I am not even sure if it even still exists.
Some clubs like PHG might tell groups of turks that it is too full, but normal looking well behaved single turks get in all the time. It is the large groups that get turned away or guys who look like they might cause problems. The group thing also applies to other nationalities.
They don't ask for your name until after they let you in, then it is too late to turn you away.
Keep the gold chains and polyester shirts at home and noone will notice you're turkish.
Peter
Zeybek, German women are probably the least racist women you will meet on the planet. In fact German men are also the least prejudiced European males I have encountered. It is not uncommon in most cosmopolitan Western German cities to see mixed couples. There are nearly ten million non-German residents in this country so being a foreigner is not neccesarily a bad thing. In fact the first time I visited Germany, I found that Germans were extremely tolerant and friendly, and that a lot of the stories and warnings that said the majority of Germans were xenophobic and bigoted were not true. To be realistic, there are people like that in Germany but then again you will meet people like that everywhere. There are regions in Eastern Germany particularly in remote areas where there is a lot of xenophobia but in the Western half of the country or in big cities like Berlin and Dresden this won't be a problem. Many Germans have an eye for all things exotic so being exotic looking or non-European is not a bad thing at all in Germany, in fact, I know a few friends there who say it might even be an advantage. I remember there was this one swinger club near the Dutch German border where a group of black men entered and you should have seen the reaction of the German women in the club. The women chased this group like fans chasing a boy band. The German ladies were literally fighting each other to get a chance with the group of black men. I also remember a German bank commercial that featured a German woman and a black man in a romantic embrace. I still have yet to see such progressive advertising by such a large financial institution in North America.
I visited the Reepbahn in Hamburg few times , on my own and with business colleagues. As I passed the SW near the police station in front of the Burger King, the girls sollicited aggressively anybody who is caucasian looking, no matter what age. I happen to be sort of more Mediterranean looking. I noticed the girls ignored me and anybody who is not caucasian looking. Does anybody has had such experience to share. I read threads that that these girls are to be avoided anyway.
I am no expert but i would say that in germany the girls tend to not like the turks. not all say this and i never ask but i hear it so this could be why.
The Reeperbahn in Hamburg is a ripoff. As for the attitude that some German prostitutes have towards Turkish males, that can get complicated. There have been some incidents where Turkish customers have beaten up or threatened a prostitute so thaty might make them more defensive. However, German women can actually be quite fond of foreign men because there was a survey saying that most German women found that most German men couldn't satisfy them. (I.e. if you're African American you will get a lot of pussy in Germany, there was even a book written about the German female infatuation with black men written by some big American researcher) So foreigners can indeed do very well with the local German women. If you go to FKK clubs in the southern regions of Germany most of the women are not even German and in fact many Turkish women work in these clubs. FKK clubs mostly hire quality talent not the trash you see in Hamburg's Reeperbahn. If you see German prostitutes biased against Turkish customers the vice versa scenario plays it self out with Turkish female prostitutes. Turkish women will give preferential treatment to Turkish men or other Eastern looking guys. So the favortism thing turns tables in clubs with many Turkish women. Turkish women prefer Eastern guys and treat them better than white men because they are generally more comfortable with them. In general, the Turkish women at FKK clubs will give a good session and treat all clients well but as far as getting extras( like their phone number or meeting them for date outside the club ) only Turkish guys or other Eastern guy will get those. A lot of the Turkish girls will reveal more personal information with me that they would never share with German guys. IMHO, Turkish women in Germany are far more beautiful than German women. I've gotten the phone numbers of the Turkish working ladies, went on dates with some of them, one even asked me if I was married because she was looking for a husband and thought I was a good candidate. Turkish women in Germany are very Western yet they don't date Western guys very often and tend to stick with their own or with other Easterners. You will often hear about Turkish males married to German women but German men married to Turkish women is far less frequent. I've gotten very friendly with a lot of the Turkish ladies and they gotten a lot more personal with me than with white customers. In fact I asked a German friend about finding out about a particular girl who is Turkish who used to work at club I frequented. I wanted to know where she currently worked and this guy couldn't get the information from her friend who is also Turkish. I went to the place myself and the this lady gave me the information that she refused to give to my German friend. So the door swings both ways, and anyway its no big loss if some German hookers are bitches because you can find plenty of regular German women(every female coworker of mine in Frankfurt wanted to fuck me and I got sexually harassed all the time by these German ladies), and the Turkish women in Germany are far more fun, as well as the Eastern European ladies. So its no big loss if some street hookers in Hamburg ignored you because there are better things elsewhere.
CBGB
Thanks for that Great Post:
Actually I was never refused, as a matter of fact I have never been to Germany. I am planning to goal, and one of the things that I prefer to check out is the "Turkish" women in Germany. I have met a lot of Turkish girls in Turkey who were visiting from Germany and they were really uninhibited, and willing to party like crazy. But I know they do usually stick to the Turks. German women are great and all but just doesn't do it for me.
I had remembered reading from earlier posts (see I do read before I post) where it was mentioned you might have problems if you are a Turk. But now I am pretty confident that will not be an issue.
I have seen hundreds of German women, drop dead gorgeous 10s come to Turkey in their summer vacations to hook up with these bus driver/waiter/student Turkish guys who are butt ugly. I wondered to myself what these girls were thinking...but I guess the German guys don't cut it anymore :) Go to Turkey one summer, places like Bodrum, or Alanya and check it out for yourself. I'ts amazing.
But thanks for all the tips. I will have lotsa funn in the Fkks :)
My experience with Turkish dudes in the clubs is that they are rather loud, rude, and obnoxious even in the locker where just men are changing and getting ready to go party.
When they are not present, the atmosphere is more dignified and more upperclass in manner where everyone is respectful of everyone elses space and more polite with each other.
I can understand why they may not be allowed in certain clubs. I seem to see a lot of them at the train station, red light places like the Bandhahm in D-dorf.
As far as the girls preference, I would think they prefer those little metal things that go jingle, jangle, jingle. In other words, coins. I saw a guy in Atlantis wearing a prosthesis for his leg, below the knee. Now I would never do a girl with an artificial leg, but I know the girls will take care of him as long as he can cover the charges.
Just my 2 cents.
NB
NB, you are right to a point, money talks and everything walks in the FKK clubs. However, it is often hard to tell if a person is Turkish by how they look like. I used to have a neighbor back in New York who had Blonde hair and green Irish eyes and looked like he was an Irish guy straight out of Dorchester Boston. But guess what? He was Turkish. Some Turks are light skinned and white looking and others are darker in appearance. Most people assume a Turk has brown or olive skin and dark hair but there are many who could easily pass for a European. I one time told a friend that when I was visiting Holland, the local blondes were really friendly, he told me that there was a good chance that those blondes were probably white Turks. So in essence many Turkish people have different looks.
Zeybek, that is some funny shit that those Turkish guys hooked up with German 10s. I am wondering, are they darker skinned Turks that hooked up with these German chics? I knew an Indian guy who went to Germany who hooked up with a lot of German women because they thought he was black. I know that a lot of German women dig darker looking guys because they're exotic in the eyes of German women.
Viva la difference!
NB
Zeybek, your observation about regular Turkish guys hooking up with some hot German women exposes a difference in attitude between North American and European ladies that I have noticed. Those female German tourists overlook the fact that those Turkish guys are just regular average joes in average jobs. I can parallel this behavior with that of American women in a resort area in Mexico. In many ways this analogy holds true, many Mexicans migrate to the US and many Turks migrate to Germany. Both locations are respectively popular vacation spots. One time, when I was on vacation in Mexico near the hotel pool I happened to listen to a conversation between a group of American females. They were in a very spirited discussion about the local Mexican males and the tone of the conversation was very negative. Their attitude was one that was extremely condescending towards the local males. They kept complaining about how annoying the Mexican guys were and how they were annoyed that the local guys kept trying to hook up with them and get friendly. One lady said, "These guys don't speak English and have lame jobs like waitering and cleaning the rooms." This is the attitude that many American woman have is that they value the dollar and the other superficial aspects of a man. This is a sharp contrast compared to German females in Turkey who are eager to meet local guys regardless of their socioeconomic status. Even the insinuation that you say these guys are "butt ugly" might not be valid in the eyes of these German female tourists. Well maybe to these German women the look of the local guys are exotic to them. And the fact that they are hooking up with these guys whether they are bus drivers or waiters, shows they aren't so obsessed with money. I am currently in Australia and the attitude of the local Australian women is comparable to that of German ladies being that they are very open minded and unpretentious in comparison to North American women.
Hi Friends:
Actually when I said my "butt-ugly" bretheren were making like bandits with some fiiine german ass, I wasn't being condescending to them. I am a Turk myself (half/half), but I am white. These guys were DARK. It's clear to me that you will have better chance with the Nordic women if you are DARK. Actually, it's funny, one of the guys I met at a resort in Bodrum was a hotel photographer. This guy would take your picture for like $5 or something. I was chatting with him about the European Ass. Now mind you, this guy was from the village, and he was decent looking.
So he whips out his private album and shows me some of the poses.....Wow!!! And these poses were him and the ladies, and let me tell you, I had respect for this guy. He told me how places like SIDE in southern Turkey (close to Antalya) where German women come by BUSLOADS to hook up with sex crazed Turkish guys. You have to understand, your typical Turkish guy is sexually depraved in Turkey. So when a foreign woman comes along she is like Gold. Turkish girls put out too, but you really really have to work it. Even if you are a Turk. So most Turks will go for the best bang for the buck. No pun intended. And like I said, these guys are simple, often times poor, dark Turkish guys who really screw these girls senseless. I made a joke to one of the waiters in the resort in Bodrum and his response was "It's not our fault if all the German guys are gay or can't get it up?" (Actually more like German men are probably not as depraved sexually as Turkish men). go figure.
I agree about the German or European women's attitude versus American women: I find American women to be the most pampered, most shallow, and most unintelligent example of the female species...(oooh, a little bitterness perhaps ha ?) European women are very good to hook up with.
You also have to realize, when all these northern european women descend on these Aegean or Meditarrenean countries like Turkey, Greece, Italy, they are looking to get some major ass. That's another difference: European women are far more advanced with their sexuality than American women. Even the *****s are hideous in America. You should see what some of these paid ladies are charging: The way they look, they should be paying the guys. But that's my 2 cents.
If you guys want some major places to hit in Turkey to have fun, let me know.
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The Turkish people are soooooooooooo superior.
NB, ??????
I'm off to either the PHG or Wildenrath tomorrow night and my question is this. I'm looking for a couple of 1 hour, 75 Euro sessions just for something different. What's the score with these sessions? If you pop within 20 minutes is that it? Or if you can manage it 3 times in an hour is that ok? Or does it just vary from place to place and girl to girl? I'll post up my results in any case. I would have been at PHG last week but I got caught in a snowstorm, got hopelessly lost and ended up going home for a wank!
If you pay for an hour at PHG you will get an hour, anyhow these girls aren't into rushing you like the American *****s so you won't have problems. These FKK clubs are very customer service oriented, so if a girl gives you any attitude you should complain to the management, they take this stuff very SERIOUSLY, and I have heard of girls being fined by the club or even fired if they have a habit of being bitchy with customers. The German clubs are nothing like the Nevada brothels where they treat customers like dirt even after all the money they spend. This problem however is rare in the FKK clubs located in the Ruhr which depend upon regular customers for their revenue. If you go to the bigger clubs in Frankfurt customer service will be a hit and miss.
Mr Blue....
I recommend negotiating with each girl before going upstairs. Some have told me that even if I pay for an hour as soon as I pop the party is over. It is good to know beforehand. However, I recall a post by Peter, (not to steal his thunder), where he told his honey in advance he wanted an hour and she threw in the anal at half price. I, however, more often not, get a lot of free extra time for the 30 minute price.
I don't recommend this in Nevada, though. They will make you eat shit with chocolate sprinkles on top.
NB
NB,
I never had a girl throw in Anal at half price. Anal does cost 50€ extra if te girl offers it at Wildenrath and PHG. I have had girls ask for it for free, but those are these strange brazilians that are sometimes into it.
At both PHG and Wildenrath the girls will stay in the room with you for the full hour if you book the full hour. However, if you leave the room with the girl under 30 minutes then she will only charge you for 30 minutes. You also don't have to tell the girl how long you plan to book her for ahead of time. If you get the feeling that she is in more of a rushthan you are looking for you can say, let's stay for half an hour.
If xyou are first timer they often ask you if you know the price structure. Use that as an opportunity to say you would like to take an hour session for 75€, and maybe extend that, because you want to take some time to get to know her and really enjoy yourself. They only react poorly to the 25€ session.
That's my thunder!
Peter
Sorry Peter, my mistake.
I was referring to this from your May 26 post:
"When I agressively went back around to rim her again she asked me if I were up for Anal. I asked how much? she said add 50€ and said, "that's a good price for anal!" Just a side note, after checking on e-bay 50€ really does seem to be a good price for anal. this girl is all about value for money."
I always thought anal was 100. Maybe that's Atlantis. More incentive to visit Wildenrath.
NB
Hello,
Last time I was in Frankfurt (Oct 03), I visited Atlantis, but wasn't impressed by the selection. Probably about 15 girls on a Friday from 12-3, and none were stunners. I will be in Frankfurt again at the end of April and was wondering if bros can recommend another club at that time of year. Or is Atlantis the best there is?
I am only in my late 20's, so looking for fairly young, slim women at these clubs.
Thanks for you help. I'll let you know how the trip goes!
I am going to be in Germany this summer: Munich for 2 days, Frankfurt for 2 days, Dusseldorf for 1 day.
I am from England and would like to experience my first visit to a FKK club. But as I will be using public transport and have no car and do not want to pay expensive taxis, I will be limited to clubs which are located in the city, easily accessible by S-bahn or U-bahn or bus.
From my research it seems that the only FKK club which is based in town is the Palace (formerly Paradise?) in Frankfurt. Price is 60 entry + 60, which seems expensive but will be OK as my first try of a FKK club.
Any comments or suggestions for a newbie?
Thankyou.
AP
Alfonso, avoid clubs in Munich like the bubonic plague, and focus on FKK clubs near the NRW(Koln-Dusseldorf-Bonn) and Frankfurt.
The list of must see FKK Clubs near Frankfurt are:
Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.
>Alfonso, avoid clubs in Munich like the bubonic plague,<
I will concentrate on beer drinking while I am in Munich. I believe there is a RLD at Augsburg if I feel horny.
>and focus on FKK clubs near the NRW(Koln-Dusseldorf-Bonn) and Frankfurt.
The list of must see FKK Clubs near Frankfurt are:
Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.<
Thanks for the list. But it seems that I need a car to get to these places. Or an expensive taxi fare!
AP
Alfonso,
FKK 35 in Frankfurt is easily reached by S-bahn public transportation. Club Dietzenbach is also easily reached by bus in Frankfurt. Search the forums for more information.
V.
Alfonso:
You might want to skip Chantal Chevalier. It's closed.
Forget F35 and Sudfass in Frankfurt. Best possibilities are Palace, Oase, Atlantis or with train to Giessen´s FKK-World. Taxi costs from Train station around 10 Euros. Munich: Sudfass is great but too expensive. Augsburg: Never was there till yet, but heard 80% good comments about it.
"Oase, Atlantis, and Chantal Chevalier. In Dusseldorf there are many fine places in that region: Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are my two favorites but they are outside of Dusseldorf, Babylon is closer to Koln.<
Thanks for the list. But it seems that I need a car to get to these places. Or an expensive taxi fare!"
The keen mongerer (and one who does his research by reading past posts on this board!) will find a way to circumvent the expenses. For example, FKK Oase, which is a club you should put near the top of your "to-try" list, is, in fact, reachable from central Frankfurt via s-bahn to Friedricksdorf, and then an 8Euro taxi! Hardly expensive. You've already stated you were prepared to go to Augsburg from Munich. How much will that round trip cost you? I bet more than the expenses of S-bahn/taxi to Oase!
One can also get similarly close to PHG with train, thus enabling access with a short taxi ride.
See, were there is a will, and research, there is a way.
Thanks to all who replied to my request for easily-accessible FKK Clubs from city centres.
Before my first visit to a FKK club (probably Club Oase) and have some newbie questions:
* Payment -- when/who do you pay? Do you pay the girl after a session with her, or before the session? If so, where do you keep the cash if you are only wearing a towel?! Does the girl tell you when 30 mins. has passed, so you do not get "stung" for an extra 30 minutes?
* Language difficulties -- do the reception staff at Oase understand English? They must get a lot of American and English people there. I will need to order a taxi when I leave. I presume the reception staff know local taxi people.
* Services -- I understand BBBJ is provided "as standard" by most FKK providers. Is "coming on the girls breasts" charged extra? If so, what phrases might I need to know to negotiate this?
* Big tit queens -- I'm looking for large breasted babes, like the porn stars Lisa Lipps, Minka etc. Any silicone babes at Club Oase?
Thankyou
AP.
Language won't be a problem mate, say the magic word "Babylon club" and the driver will know where to take you. As far as the language issues I spoke virtually no German when I visited and had an excellent time, I even made friends with a girl(who now lives with me in Sydney) who spoke very little English, body language and smiling are universal. I have to get back to an "English" lesson with my lovely. I might be biased but Babylon is my favorite club, its like a fine bottle of champagne. Bernd's, Babylon, and PHG are my 3 favorite clubs in the Ruhr. Atlantis and Oase are also must see establishments.
Alfonso:
Answers to your questions:
PAYMENT:
You keep your wallet in a separate locker across from the bar. The locker number matches that of your clothes locker downstairs in the locker room.
After your session, the lady you were with follows you to your wallet locker. You pay her right there. Fifty Euros per half-hour session, for standard sex.
LANGUAGE:
Oase has English speakers on staff. Some of the ladies speak English, too. Ask the woman behind the front desk to introduce you to one, if you want.
When you need a taxi, go back to the front desk and ask the lady to reserve one for you. She'll be glad to do it.
SERVICE:
Yes, BBBJ is standard. But, finishing in the mouth costs 50E extra. I think most ladies also charge 50E extra for the privilege of finishing on their breasts, as well.
"Darf ich auf deine Brüste kommen?" ("May I come on your breasts?") is a polite way to ask for what you want.
Breast finishes are not my thing, so maybe some of the other vets out there can tell you what customers might actually say when they ask for this, and whether or not it's an automatic 50E extra.
BIG TIT QUEENS:
Breast implants are not as common in Germany. Most ladies prefer to remain natural. Those who do opt for implants tend to select more moderate sizes. So, you aren't going to see too many women walking around with massive silicone boulders in their chests.
Hope this helps.
gentlemen,
when i was in germany last time, i used the public transportation. i've been planning to rent a car this time, but i have never driven in germany before. as usual, i've reviewed the board here for information. since i couldn't find the direct or specific answers to the questions lingering on my mind, i decided to post them here hoping many of you can give me some advises or guidance.
1) i know it's a good idea to reserve a rental car in advance, but i wonder if a foreign visitor can just walk up to the car rental counter at the airport and rent it right there (without reservation) after getting off the plane? would you recommend to reserve online or over the phone? will down payment or some kind of deposit be required for reservation? can anyone provide the websites of the popular germany car rental agencies listed in english?
2) similar to question #1 but regarding to hotels, can any tourist just stop by a local hotel and get a room without reservation? has anyone done that?
3) i read different prices of renting a car ranging from 22euro/day to 60euro/day (although the 22euro is highly questionable). are we talking about the total price which includes insurance and taxes? (in the u.s., whenever a car rental agency quotes a rental rate, it doesn't include the insurance and other hidden charges. by the time it adds the insurance and other charges, it'll be freaking $20 to $30 more.)
4) do all the car rental agencies in frankfurt airport offer unlimited mileage which no one seemed to mention? is unlimited mileage automatically assumed? can anyone recommend which rental agency is generally better or cheaper than the other? (for example, in the u.s., avis always offers unlimited mileage while hertz doesn't.)
5) some of you rented cars with gps while other used direction sites like maqquest and map24. can i assume that renting a car with gps is more expensive than the one without? i have never used a gps. the nav system can give voice direction in english, right? i read that nav can sometimes lead you to the wrong direction. if you have never driven in germany, would you solely rely on the nav system that you wouldn't need to bring any (paper) map with you whatsoever? otherwise, i would need to buy many different local maps which i couldn't find in the u.s.
6) i plan to visit 3 frankfurt clubs (atlantis, oase, fkkw) in 2 days. many of you kept saying that it's cheaper to rent a car than to use the trains and/or taxis, which i probably agree, but you didn't seem to mention the cost of filling up the gas tank. can anyone give me an approximation of what the total gas cost would be to drive round trips between each club and a hotel within frankfurt? i know that the gasoline is more expensive in europe than here in the u.s. i guess i try to budget my total traveling expense in advance.
7) are the gas stations pump connected to atm/credit card machines (like those in the u.s.) so that people can use credit card to pay to fill up their cars without speaking to the cashier? if so, does the credit card reader displays english instruction? (this kind of self-service is useful for people who don't speak or speak little german and hence don't have to deal with the language problem.)
8) does a tourist need an international driver license to drive in germany? i can get an international driver license for $10 from aaa motor club of which i'm a member. is that necessary? if a foreign driver ever gets stopped by a police, what kind of identification would s/he need to show? a passport?
9) many of you kindly mentioned radar and speed camera placing on the intersection. what would happen if one gets caught on speeding? how would that scenario work out? would a traffic police chase to stop him (like that in the u.s.) and give him a ticket? would a tourist driver have to pay fine in cash right on the spot if s/he were caught speeding? if a speed camera takes a picture of a car that was speeding, then what? where would that picture and ticket be sent to if that car is a rental car driven by someone who doesn't live in germany?
10) let say i'm driving on a highway and realize that i'm going on the wrong direction, is it ok to turn on the emergency signal and stop on the highway shoulder (if there is one) so that i can look at the map?
i guess i'm generally a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" kind of guy and want to make sure that my trip can go smoothly. pardon me if i may have missed any post that already had the answers to my questions.
Arnie,
While you are correct that many German (European) girls like to remain "natural when it comes to breast size, I haver noticed more and more workers in the FKK scene that have obvious "getunte Titten". Nearly every club has a few breast implant Princesses who work the rooms.
Seek and ye shall find.
Dedalus
singlepro,
here is my reply:
1) i know it's a good idea to reserve a rental car in advance, but i wonder if a foreign visitor can just walk up to the car rental counter at the airport and rent it right there (without reservation) after getting off the plane?
*yes you can. all you need is a drivers license and a credit card. availability is not always guaranteed, you are also not likely to get a better deal than on the internet or booking ahead.
would you recommend to reserve online or over the phone?
*online is probably the best move. try expedia first to get a feeling then go to the individual home pages.
will down payment or some kind of deposit be required for reservation?
*you usually don’t have to have any deposit, you have to give your credit card info, but usually it is just a reservation with no deposit.
can anyone provide the websites of the popular germany car rental agencies listed in english?
*the main agencies in germany are sixt, europcar, hertz, avis, budget. all of the home pages are easy to find.
2) similar to question #1 but regarding to hotels, can any tourist just stop by a local hotel and get a room without reservation? has anyone done that?
*again, theoretically it is no problem. could always end up that it is fully booked when you get there. in the forum there are a number of decnt simple hotels listed near the fkk’s, why don’t you just book ahead, it will save you time and hassles. there are also chain motels like ibis and accor and such where you can just walk up and pretty much always get a room. there are even some that work exclusively through credit card (no personell). but these are not as widespread as in the states. sometimes you can drive 100 miles without seeing any.
3) i read different prices of renting a car ranging from 22euro/day to 60euro/day (although the 22euro is highly questionable). are we talking about the total price which includes insurance and taxes? (in the u.s., whenever a car rental agency quotes a rental rate, it doesn't include the insurance and other hidden charges. by the time it adds the insurance and other charges, it'll be freaking $20 to $30 more.)
*on all the german sites they will quote you a price including all taxes. they have weekend rates which are very cheap and weekday rates. they have to be quite upfront about prices according to german advertising laws. i think budget claims 38€ a day at the moment with unlimited miles.
4) do all the car rental agencies in frankfurt airport offer unlimited mileage which no one seemed to mention? is unlimited mileage automatically assumed? can anyone recommend which rental agency is generally better or cheaper than the other? (for example, in the u.s., avis always offers unlimited mileage while hertz doesn't.)
*it is not assumed, but stated very clearly. check out the home pages. if you are only coming for a few days the internet is the best way. if you are booking for a full week often it is cheaper to go to a us travel agent and buy a voucher, which covers all costs.
5) some of you rented cars with gps while other used direction sites like maqquest and map24. can i assume that renting a car with gps is more expensive than the one without? i have never used a gps. the nav system can give voice direction in english, right? i read that nav can sometimes lead you to the wrong direction. if you have never driven in germany, would you solely rely on the nav system that you wouldn't need to bring any (paper) map with you whatsoever? otherwise, i would need to buy many different local maps which i couldn't find in the u.s.
*or you can buy an authoritative german atlas. these are 200 page books and should be available at a good travel store in the states. i would not rely solely on gps, there are a lot of towns with similar names and if you pick the wrong one you might end up far from where you want to be. rent a car agencies are future used car sales companies, so they put things on they think those customers will want and pay a premium for. most mercedes and bmw’s and upmarket vehicles have gps, most cheap ones don’t. at sixt all mercedes have gps, even the relatively low rental price a class. you can reprogram it to speak and work in english. you might want to have someone from the rental car agency help you make this switch at the airport. if you are just going to the big 3 around frankfurt, then print up some good maps from the internet on how to get from the airport to club 1, 2 and 3 and the hotel. and keep that on you. germany has excellent highways and the most signage in europe. they don’t give north east directions on the highway but the next town is always shown.
6) i plan to visit 3 frankfurt clubs (atlantis, oase, fkkw) in 2 days. many of you kept saying that it's cheaper to rent a car than to use the trains and/or taxis, which i probably agree, but you didn't seem to mention the cost of filling up the gas tank. can anyone give me an approximation of what the total gas cost would be to drive round trips between each club and a hotel within frankfurt? i know that the gasoline is more expensive in europe than here in the u.s. i guess i try to budget my total traveling expense in advance.
*gas is expensive in europe, about $4 a gallon. but if you hit the big 3 and stay at a well located hotel then you shouldn’t exceed 250 km which will be about 25-30€ in gas. make sure you fill up before you get close to the airport, as there is only one gas station at the airport and it is tough to find and quite expensive. when you rent they will also ask you whether you want to buy the tank of gas at a lower rate. this is usually not a good deal as it only pays off if you turn in the car really empty.
7) are the gas stations pump connected to atm/credit card machines (like those in the u.s.) so that people can use credit card to pay to fill up their cars without speaking to the cashier? if so, does the credit card reader displays english instruction? (this kind of self-service is useful for people who don't speak or speak little german and hence don't have to deal with the language problem.)
*pay at the pump is very rare in germany. language skills necessary to pay for gas are very limited. just remember the number of the pump, go in and show that number of fingers and give them your credit card. i think i could handle this language skill level in inner mongolia or tajikistan or somewhere else where i have no idea what language they speak.
8) does a tourist need an international driver license to drive in germany? i can get an international driver license for $10 from aaa motor club of which i'm a member. is that necessary? if a foreign driver ever gets stopped by a police, what kind of identification would s/he need to show? a passport?
*international drivers license is not necessary. you should carry your passport or a copy on you at all times. i got stopped in a police check once near atlantis, they seem to be checking every once in a while.
9) many of you kindly mentioned radar and speed camera placing on the intersection. what would happen if one gets caught on speeding? how would that scenario work out? would a traffic police chase to stop him (like that in the u.s.) and give him a ticket? would a tourist driver have to pay fine in cash right on the spot if s/he were caught speeding? if a speed camera takes a picture of a car that was speeding, then what? where would that picture and ticket be sent to if that car is a rental car driven by someone who doesn't live in germany?
*they do not chase you and give you tickets, that is not what police are used for in germany. only if you are driving dangerously will they pull you over. they use the cameras to deal with speeding. if there is a picture of you then they will send it to the car rental agency who will send it to you for you to reply. if you don’t they will book the cost of the ticket against your creit card. if you respond to it you will probably be found guilty anyway. pictures are pretty much impossible to challenge in germany, unless you can prove someone else was driving, and there are pretty accurate face shots.
10) let say i'm driving on a highway and realize that i'm going on the wrong direction, is it ok to turn on the emergency signal and stop on the highway shoulder (if there is one) so that i can look at the map?
* i assume you don’t mean if you are travelling against the traffic. no you cannot stop on the shoulder of the highway unless your car has broken down. however there is an exit every 2 miles at most, so you can pull off the highway. there are also a lot of rest stops and gas stations on the highway, give those a shot.
i guess i'm generally a "plan for the worst, hope for the best" kind of guy and want to make sure that my trip can go smoothly. pardon me if i may have missed any post that already had the answers to my questions.
*driving in germany is really not that complicated. anyway if atlantis stays closed for a longer period of time maybe your trip will just be world and oase, in which case you might want to put sauna world in gorgeshausen into the plan.
on the way to altenstadt from frankfurt, watch out for speed cameras. i think they are located at the village before altenstadt. anyway, atlantis was raided saturday midnight at 00:00 hrs, other posts report the establishment is still closed. any further information here please?
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Singlepro
I only have two additions to add to Peters excellent and detailed reply.
The only possible hidden cost of car rental can be the extra airport pick up charge (very often they don't bother to tell you about it especially when booking in advance from abroad)
It quite a bit (I think 15% of the total rental charge ) this can be quite a lot if you are renting a expensive car for a long time.
If you are anyway thinking of visiting the nearest city then you can save this charge by picking up your car in town. There is no extra charge to drop your car off at the airport.
Even though all the cars are fully insured there is a high collision waiver / car theft optional extra. Depending on the value of the car you otherwise will have to pay the first ???Euro of any accident even if you were to blame or not. (I don't pay the collision waver and take the risk)
Just take into consideration that Germany hosts a lot of big trade fairs though out the year. Its good to check ahead and see that your trip doesn't co-inside with one of them, as you will find it practically impossible to find a vacant hotel room within a 100km radius of the fair.Also during fair times the prices of hotel rooms jump 150-250% extra (I'm not exaggerating)
Don't worry car rental and driving in Germany is great fun and its not at all difficult.
I am sure you will agree with us. Its really the best way to enjoy our hobby and save time together with convenience
One small further point. If you have any damage to the car you must call the Police to get a report otherwise the Collision Damage Waiver is not operative. I foolishly thought my tiny encounter with a small bollard did not count as an accident. Wrong - so I've got a hefty bill (probably 600E plus)
However car hire is still, to my mind, preferable (cheaper and more flexible) to taxis unless you are staying next to one club (or you fail to report accidents like mine!)
If you book from holiday autos (www.holidayautos.co.uk) everything is included. No hiden extra's. So if you do have an accident of some sort and have to pay excess holidayautos will refund when you get back.
Also they have a price match policy.
RH
For the real budget minded and people who don't care what they look like in their car on the way to the FKK, there are some budget rental agencies. I just checked out www.sixti.de and you can get some really great deals there. You can only choose from a Smart and a Ford Focus Wagen, but it is transportation. If you are picking up and dropping on the same day you can get some days at 10€ that I saw from Frankfurt Airport. You pay calender day not 24 hours. check it out as a possibility. Here there are also tight mileage restrictions.
I also checked a same day pick up and drop off at Niederrhein (Ryan Air calls it Düsseldorf) and you can get a smart for 16€, that is less than a Taxi from the real Duesseldorf airport to downtown. If you add a Loss Damage Waiver limiting Liability to 250€ you add 6,50 a day.
Chekc it out seems like a good deal.
Peter
i rented a ford fiesta from sixt at the d-dorf airport on a walk up basis. it was 50e for the sled, and 21e for insurance with a 550e deductible. i always like to buy their insurance in case anything does happen, problems should be resolved quicker in-house. total bill for one day rental was 99.60e, balance of which was taxes, taxes, and then more taxes. everybody wants a piece of the pie.
the car was small, and i don't recommend it for long distance travel around the country. i headed down to altenstadt, and the terrain is rather hilly. this poor car didn't have the umph to make it up the hills, and the only time it could hit 160km p/h was on the down hill with a strong tail wind. the funny thing was that whenever speed restrictions were removed on the autobahn, it was always at the bottom of the hill.
but the little car did serve it's purpose and it was only 60e to fill up the tank.
i had fun.
nb
NB,
The high price you paid for the car, almost Euro100/day, is because you took the car for only one day and did it on a walk-up basis. I know that you had no choice this trip, but just so you know for future reference, if you rent the car on a weekly basis via some of the internet sites, you are likely to get a much, much better deal. Also, if possible, it is often advisable to get the car from a non-airport location as it is cheaper. I often try to get a diesal-powered car since the fuel is somewhat less expensive than petrol.
You're right, Ortos. I just wanted to tell the story about driving that little car up those big hills. As in all things, you want to play, you gotta pay.
NB
Hi guys,
Thank you for all your enthusiastic responses. One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is that I can only drive automatic transmission cars. As Peter suggested, I checked out expedia.com and travelocity.com to get a feel of what I was going to get. What puzzled me was that they all quoted me cars with manual transmission which is not what I want. I then checked www.sixti.de which listed either the Smart or Ford Focus option, but it didn't say whether either of those 2 has automatic or manual transmission. I emailed Siti about these cars, and they emailed me back saying that the Smart car is equipped with tiptronic transmission. Can anyone tell me what tiptronic transmission is? Is it automatic? Next, I checked Alamo and Budget which also quoted me mostly with manual transmission, accept those at the higher ends. I also tried carbookers.com as suggested my someone else on this board. It gave me a reasonable rate, but then again, it's all manual transmissions. I'm totally surprised with all these manual transmission stuffs. If all the good deals or low budget packages only apply to cars with manual transmission, I'm out of luck.
I checked out www.holidayautos.co.uk as suggested by Red Hawk. Again, the cheap ones are all manual transmissions. The auto transmission one that I was quoted totaled to be around $295 for 3 days or $100/day which is not cheap at all. (I converted GBP to dollars.) It claims that their prices are all inclusive, but its insurance detail description says "you will be required to leave a deposit to the value of the insurance excess. If the car is damaged during the rental you may be charged an excess of EUR 600 which will be debited from your deposit." What deposit are they talking about? Didn't they say that the rental price already includes the insurance? I guess I'm not understanding something.
I had made some interesting observation. I went to Alamo.com and Budget.com websites and checked out the availability of their rental cars both in the U.S. and in Europe. I then made a comparison. What surprised me was that all the available cars listed under the U.S. categories were mostly automatic transmission while the same things listed under the European categories were mostly manual transmission (accept the higher-end cars). What's going on? Does it mean that it's more popular to drive manual transmission cars in Europe? Does it mean European drivers don't like driving automatic transmission cars? (In the U.S., if you rent a car, you'll almost always be given an automatic transmission car, without question. Maybe I've taken that for granted.) It seems you can only get automatic transmission at higher end rental cars in Europe. If so, renting an automatic transmission car for one person may not really be that cheap afterall, unless you can share it with at least another person and split the cost.
Shiatsu,
You said "If you have any damage to the car you must call the Police to get a report otherwise the Collision Damage Waiver is not operative." I would have big problem doing that because I can not speak fluent German to engage in that kind of conversation. (I think I can speak barely passable German to order a meal or rent a hotel room but not good enough to get involved in any serious conversation.) Further more, if that scenario ever happens to me on the highway, where can I reach a paid phone? Where would I get the police number? On the yellow page phone book? If I ever encounter that kind of situation, I'd be in deep shit. I just pray that I won't get into that situation.
Wizard,
You mentioned the extra hidden airport pick up charge. When I got an online quote where it stated that all fees are included, I assume "all fees" implies that it has already included the airport pickup charge. Right? When I looked at the break down of the fees, it didn't seem to specifically mention "airport pickup charge". I wondered about that.
SinglePro
A Tiptronic transmission is like a combination of a manual and an automatic. You shift gears manually using a lever but it does not have a manual clutch. My wife also can not drive a manual transmission car but she has no problem driving a friends SMART car with a tiptronic.
You will have a very hard time finding a automatic transmission car in Germany. For some reason the Germans just don't like them. I'm not sure if it has to do with the better gas mileage on a manual or what, but most cars sold in Germany are manual transmission with the exeption of the very high end Mercedes and BMWs.
-Trojan
SinglePro,
If you can't drive standard and are looking for pussy...take a look in the mirror.
What sort of man cannot drive Standard?
In Germany, and most of Europe Standard is the absolute standard.
Germans are the best drivers in the world, hands down by a long shot. Getting a drivers license here is difficult and requires 30+ hours at Driving School, not just having your parents teach you. It is structured with a certain number of nightttime and highway hours etc. About 95% of these schools teach manual. If you do your Drivers License Test on manual then you can drive Manual and Automatic cars, but if you take the test on Auto then you can only drive Manual cars.
Since people have to invest so much time, effort and money (about 1200€) into getting a License, they all opt for getting the full license, which means manual.
I would say about 90% of cars sold here are manual. They are cheaper and less likely to have transmission problems.
If they do have tiptronic then that is basically automatic, where you can manually choose the gears, but without a clutch. You should be able to drive this no problem. Ask again if the transmission is without a clutch (Kuplung in German).
Learn to drive stick.
Peter
Hardly anyone used automatic transmissions in Europe, the reason is that gas is too expensive and the fuel economy for AT vehicles is not as good as that for Manual.
Single pro
I would ask for a confimation in writing that the airport pick up charge is included in your quote.
I had a nasty hassel with Europcar over that once I paid via a voucher and when I came to return the car the demanded and extra fee as they claimed that it was not specified in my voucher.
I paid under protest and had a tough fight to get re imbursted when I got home.
Just learn from my experince.
While most of the rental cars are stick shift in Germany. But even so the rental companies have to deal with a lot of tourists who demand automatic transmission .I know that its only the larger cars (group C and up) that have this fitted but its clearly stipulated in the brochures and advertizing.
When you book you just have to ask what automatic cars are available and then you can choose which one fits your budget.
There are automatic cars available its not an impossible task to find them.
All cars have standard insurance BUT still have a large excess 600eu for a small car going up to 2000 or more for big cars (Mercs & BMW) if you want insurance agains this excess its available at extra cost option .Even if you opt for this insurance they will still hold your credit card deposit for the equivelent sum to cover any traffic/parking fines or in case you dont report a incident to the police (at a police station) and you will still be responcible for the excess.
Another tip even if I need a car for one or two days its ofen cheaper to take the 3 day rate and give the car back early.
Only problem with that is if you opt for the extra insurance coverage they will charge you for all the 3 days even if you give the car back earlier.
Peter,
Your right about the long and expensive driving Ausbildung that Germans undertake. I have had to do this training also. But I must say that these people are NOT the best drivers in the world. (M. Schumacher, maybe...) I will admit that the Germans got the Italians and the French beat. Drivers in the Skandinavian countries are much more courteous and safe. So are alot of drivers in the US. (Mom and Dad sometimes teach pretty well).
If you want to see a German loose his or her patience, then put them behing the wheel of a car: automatic or manual, makes no difference. Some of the nicest German people I have met can turn into Herman Goering when they start to drive.
Yield to the right and pass on the left.
Dedalus
dedalus,
not to get into a driving argument on this board, but germans are definitely the best drivers in the world. safe and courteous is not really a good measure of quality of driving. germans follow the rules of driving meticulously while being pragmatic enough to know when speed limits are unneccesary for safety. they build the best cars and they drive them the best.
also never pass on the right or you will probably die. passing on the right is illegal in germany, no matter how many lanes and every german driver holds themselves to this. no one expects a car to come up on the right, so don't do it. if you got passed on the right then you were not meant to be in the left lane. the left lane is exclusively for passing, when you are not passing you should drive in the extreme right lane, if you are driving at the top of the speed limit you can drive in the middle lane, but the left lane is for passing and passing only, and you should always look in the rear view to see if a faster car is coming up behind you who you should make way for. it is the most respectful manner of driving anywhere. the germans are also religious about the right of way rules, much more so than the us.
in the states i have driven in over 40 states and nowhere have i seen as competent drivers as in germany.
i feel safer in germany doing 220 km/h on the autobahn than i do driving 75 mph (about 120 km/h) in the states. only because of the quality and reliability of the other drivers are these sorts of speed safe. also the quality of cars on the road is better than in other countries, and that is due to the strict tüv tests that cars have to pass every 2 years.
peter
peter,
i read your fkk reports with great pleasure adn i think you are da' man and one who's recommendations are to be trusted without question.
i do know the driving rules other here (deutschland) and i agree that they are good, sensible and safer. rember, i had to attend fahrschule to get a license. i think that yield to the right and pass on the left are sound rules. germans do not always follows these rules. i see german drivers passing on the right, not yielding to the right, breaking the speed limit (yes there is one on many stretches of autobahn), not stopping a zebrastreifen, etc. etc, on a daily basis. also in the area of germany that i live in there is a 10 kilometer stretch of landstrasse that, at the momnent has 6 memorial crosses on along the roadside, and they are not monuments to jesus.
it has been a while since i looked through a world almanac or a weltalmanach in quite some time, but i seem to remember the statstics a few years back showing that germany had the highest rate of traffic fatalities per capita in developed nations.
you are 100 % correct that germany makes the best performing cars and the safety standards that a car must pass to be road- worthy are a good thing. (even though i personally dread the tüv visit every other year.)
we will just have to agree to disagree about the safety and reliability of the german driver. my experpiences and obseravtions have led to another opinion.
peace,
dedalus
Gentlemen,
Please advise where I should go if I have two days free in Germany. I'm interested in quality and was spoilt by FKK Atlantis. Please advise where one can find this raunchiness as well as variaty. Location is not important.
Thanks
I am planning my first FKK visit, either World or Oase in Frankfurt.
I know the FKK clubs have many hot young girls, but do they also have older ladies?
I am over 40 and lately have been admiring mature big tit porn stars such as Candy Samples and Lotta Topp, who are, shall we say, voluptuous and sexy but with a few miles on the clock.
AP
Alfonso,
Yes they do...although not my style, I've seen plenty of older women and some heavy mammas that have their clientele.
NB
Boofer,
World seems the place to be now.
NB
I'll be in Basel, Switzerland next month for business but will only have one day to screw around. I'm thinking of going over the border to Deutschland for some FKKing. Could anyone recommend a FKK close to Basel?
Woof Woof,
The closest I know of is flamingo Island which is near Karlsruhe, about 170 km. from Basel. Check out their website at:
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de
As long as you are in Switzerland you may want to think about some of the clubs in Zurich which is only about 70 km. from Basel. The prices are more expensive but the woman are all very attractive. Check out:
http://www.melodys.ch
http://www.club-lustkick.ch
http://www.studio-happylife.ch
http://www.zeus.ch
http://www.sakura-fantasyland.ch
Hope this helps.
Trojan
http://www.club-globe.ch
Here is another club. More like a FKK club in Switzerland. Never tried it but it looks good
Regards
Trojan,
Thanks for the recommendations. I checked out all the websites and it appears that Zeus and Sakura have the most selections. If you have personal experience at either place, I'd appreciate your advice on getting the most bang for the buck! PM me if you wish.
Thanks again,
Woof Woof
Dear all,
I would like to ask for some advice. I will be in Lingen, Germany for business. Lingen is located in Northwest Germany, close to Dutch border. I was wondering where is the nearest FKK close to Lingen.
I have been to F35 in Frankfurt. And found a club close to Lingen(52 km)
FKK-Club Osnabrück
Otto-Lilienthal-Straße
49134 Wallenhorst
Does anyone know anything about this?
Rgds
Linzh998
Heard so/so things about it, but the reporting on clubs in that region is very scarce, even on the german boards. Maybe Heavensgate in dorsten might be close enough. Very nice club, but wasn't blown away by the talent.
Check out Kaleu's site, and go based on the PLZ's (Like Zip Codes) those let you know what is near.
Kaleu's site is easy to find, GOOGLE Kaleu and FKK and it should show up right away.
Peter
More about Osnabrück,
Just read the FAQ on a German site.
It looks like the entrance price is 99€ on certain days and 111€ on other days. This is an all-you-can-fu** rate. One price and everything is included. However there are only 3-5 girls on hand at any one time, and whether they are your taste is not a given. It is also not clear what level of service is included in that price.
The club is also supposed to be easy to find.
Hope that helps.
Peter
I will be in Frankfurt for 4 days this weekend. Plan to go Palace, World, Oase and rent a car with GPS. Where is most convenient mid point hotel to stay (30Euro to 60Euro range)? Is that too far to drive to PHG also (how long to drive from Frankfurt am Main airport to PHG)? Please advise. I heard from Atlantis board that Atlantis will re-open on May 6. Is that true?
I will be in Franfurt for 4 days this weekend. Plan to go Palace, World, Oase and rent a car with GPS. Where is most convenient mid point hotel to stay (30Euro to 60Euro range)? Is that too far to drive to PHG also (how long to drive from Frankfurt am Main airport to PHG)? Please advise. I heard from Atlantis board that Atlantis will re-open on May 6. Is that true?
Do people here take Viagra when they go to the German FKK clubs?
I am over 40, fairly fit and have just bought some cidenefil, a Viagra clone. I broke a 100mg tablet into a quarter and it seemed to have some effect (I think!)
How much/how often will I need for a multi-babe session at a FKK club?
AP
Alfonso,
I am much younger but I pop a blue or yellow (Cialis) pill every once in a while when I go to an FKK. I have no clinical Erectile Dysfunction, I use it as a recreational drug.
I have 50mg Viagra's which I split in half, and I think the Cialis are 20mg and I split those too.
If the 25mg dosage of V works for you then it should help keep you able to recover quickly for about 4-6 hours. Cialis keeps you going for a couple of days, they say 36 Hours, it is more like 50 for me.
these pills are great. It gets me rock hard, I feel like my dick is an alien lifeform given to me to tame. You really feel like it is someone elses dick. It also makes me last significantly longer, which can be hell on the girls.
I also use it privately recreationally every once in a while. There I know the down time pretty accurately, and I would say within 15 minutes after one session I am good to go again.
If I pop one before a FKK trip then I gor for 3-5 sessions to get my moneys worth.
I am a huge fan of these pills. I personally think Cialis has a more natural feeling than viagra, but viagra gives me more "Popeye's Dick on Spinach" confidence.
Peter
How do you get these while in Germany? I have heard that it is difficult to get a prescription from a German physician. Anyhow are the prices for these medications expensive in Germany?
CBGB,
Ask your doctor for a prescription.
You can say, " I am having a little bit of a problem in the Libido Department"
The doctor will give you a caring look and say, "All men have problems every now and then" and then write you a prescription.
The cost is pretty much the same as in the states.
I also have a good friend who is a Drug Rep and he gives me freebies all the time.
If you have not experimented with ED drugs - DO SO! It is amazing!
Peter
Does anyone have a personal recommendation for a hotel (30-70 euros per night) that is within walking distance of the Palace?
Thanks in advance.
Woof Woof
There is an Ibis Hotel within 5-minute walking distance to Palace. Look for Ibis Hotel in Hausen. It is visible when one drives down Schlosstrasse, if memory serves.
All,
As much as I hate to fill the board with questions. I would like to know where I should go. I will have time to go to frankfurt area from the Kassel area for sure on the 16 of may. and maybe also the 18 and 19th. I am a hard core fan of atlantis. Must admit i am sad to see it go. My fav areas are the wurrl pool and the outdoor areas respectivly. I would like to know which club i should go to to fullfil my atlantis type disires. Not that I have not been to any othere FFM club. only once to a FKK in dresden.
thanks in advance
RD
Given your location in Kassel, a city adjacent to the A5 autobahn, it seems logical that you should head down the A5 direction Frankfurt and go to FKK World, located just outside Giessen. While somewhat different than your beloved Atlantis, of which I was also a staunch fan, World will fullfill your apetite for hot, young EE girls and nice outside area. Go and try it. A few ex-Atlantis girls have relocated there too. If you don't like then you are aprox. 30min from FKK Oase or Palace to the south.
Anyway, as far as I know World is the closest big FKK club to Kassel.
Woof,
You can taxi from the many hotels close to the Main Hbf for about 10E, the Inntercity has a 49 E weekend deal that is very good.
This post is prompted by snowman under the Atlantis section (which seems to be turning into a general enquiries post)
Sorry but I'm not from LA (or even USA), But snowman's post made me think how much use this forum was when I was first getting up the nerve to go to an FKK. So I thought maybe a little (subjective) guide for novices might be useful - my way of saying thanks to all those posters who helped me
Don't worry about doing it right in FKK. I started very nervous but have never had any difficulty. It is one of the most relaxed safe environments
Basic rules
1. treat the workers with respect and interest - sometimes this is not repaid but sometimes you get a lot back
2. don't behave like a jerk (no shouting, drunkeness, abuse, forget to have a shower or clean your teeth)
3. you can say no as many times as you want if you are approached.
4. you can approach any girl you want - she will usually say yes. If she is not ageeable then that's ok. In a FKK you are (if things go well) getting a time-limited commitment so if you don't suit them it's better that they say no (or prevaricate)
5 be relaxed - sometimes you can spend ages on a couch talking to the girl if you want (especially if you are a repeat visitor to her). If you like a club it pays to go there again rather than trying lots of new clubs (hard advice to follow!!)
6. if you let the girl do French on you while on the couch it is bad manners not to go to a room
7. be clear with the girl about how long you are going to the room for - and check your watch (sometimes the girls forget to check and will over-run, sometimes they will want to end after 15minutes) If you want to extend then that's ok usually. Chack the charge structure of the club before you go into a room
8 If a girl gives you short time then don't get into an argument. maybe point it out to her but no more. Don't use her again. You can watch the girls to see how long they spend in rooms - but even this may not be a god guide as it can depend on whether you click with them
9 You are unlikely to be ripped off in an FKK but if you suddenly find you are being asked for ludicrous extras outside the normal charging structure then don't pay - and you may even consider complaining (very politely but clearly) to the desk
10 don't tip - if you like the service just book for longer and talk, massage etc (I have tipped sometimes and the girls are usually very reluctant to take extra). Tipping will only push up expectations of money from non-Germans
11. English is widely spoken
12 It doesn't matter what colour or age you are (sure, some girls, like in all groups of people are racist or ageist but they'll be a minority you probably will never notice)
Shiatsu, from what I know about rule number 6, if one of the women gives you a blowjob you are required to have a session with her. Some places even will bill you for that.
CBGB - yes you're right. Certainly at the very least you would be disrespecting the worker and she would have every right to expect you to go to a room. I was just trying to give some thoughts for any newcomers - I think your comment is helpful
With the average price at most FKKs ranging from 25-80 Euros and the stellar service of most of the women, its an excellent value. The voyeuristic atmosphere and open nudity of the clubs is a lot of fun.
This is a very important point, almost a nuance of FKK ettiqute. Generally speaking it is true one should/must have at least a 50E session with a girl if you enjoy bbbj from her on the couch. However, there are cetain scenarios in which this might not the case: for example, if an esp. aggressive girl starts bbbj on you suddenly and/or without your consent and you stop her after a few seconds, then it is perhaps proper to detatch from the girl without going to the room. Or do I have it wrong?
I had a bad experience in Oase last Saturday. I spent about 28 minutes with a Russian girl (I checked my watch), but was asked by that girl to pay 100E and stated I used her 40 minutes. I complained to the manager. The manager ( a lady) asked me to pay 100E, otherwise, I had to leave the club. I think the manager in Oase protected girl and not the customer. Two days later at palace, a German girl spent only 5 minutes in a very rush way and left room and asked me to pay her 50 Euro. I complained to the manager (a man). After listening my complain, he asked that girl to his office to talk. I never see this girl again later in next 6 hours. I am sure she was asked to leave. What a difference!
Another way is to keep it covered so the lady doesn't blow you. I noticed though that Germanic women love sucking cock.
Do you ever see couples in the FKK clubs?
Just curious
CBGB,
Different guys, different experiences.
I find German women suck cock much less than US girls. But that might just be my experience. I have also found that german girls are not as into getting eaten out either. That is based on my having privately slept with more than 15 German Women and about the same number of US. Working girls don't count.
Peter
I have used different mapping websites to locate Oase and other FKK clubs. What I found confusing was that, in Kaleux website, he listed Oase under the address
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61352 Obererlenbach
However, in Oase own website, Oase's address is listed as
Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109
61381 Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen
One can clearly see that the 2 addresses with 2 different zip code. When I used the viamichelin.com mapping website to locate these addresses, it returned 2 different locations for Oase. Then I tried maporama.com which couldn't even locate "109" in the address. Using the address listed on Oase website, ViaMichelin returns a location for Oase in a little town "Nadelmuhle" which is between Burgholzhausen and Obererlenbach. Is this correct? Can anyone confirm that? I assume the address listed on Oase website is the correct one.
I guess I'm really curious about the reason why the 2 town names are placed in a German address. Using Oase as an example, is Oase located in Friedrichsdorf? or is it in Burgholzhausen? or is it even in Obererlenbach? It can not be in both town together, or can it? or are they pretty much the same?
Similarly, regarding to the address of
FKK World
Grüninger Weg
35415 Pohlheim-Garbenteich
Is FKK World located in Pohlheim, or in Garbenteich or in both? What really confused the hec out of me was that 2 different mapping websites returned the same location but with 2 different town names. When I used viamichelin.com map site, it shows FKKW in the town of Garbenteich. Pohlheim is clearly shown in the town West of Garbenteich. On the other hand, when I used Microsoft mappoint.com website, it clearly labels "Pohlheim" in the same location where ViaMichelin labels as "Garbenteich". Which is which? Are they interchangeable? Am I missing something? Feel free to try it, and you'll see what I meant.
I can go on with another example such as FKK Palace which is listed in the area of "Rodelheim-Hausen". Again, is Palace geographically located in Rodelheim, or in Hausen, or in both? By looking at the map, it should be in Hausen. If so, why is "Rodelheim" even be in the address? The addressing label is not consistent either. For example, FKK Atlantis address is clearly stated in the town of Altenstadt without another town name adjacent to it, which I find that to be very clear and unambiguous. (I know Atlantis is now closed.)
I hope someone can help me clarifying this confusion. Otherwise, when I get there later this summer, this kind of ambiguity can potentially misinterpreted by the GPS system which can lead me to nowhere closed to the intended address.
Also, regarding to the highway labels, I have no problem understanding the autobahn names such as A5, A45, … which are referred to by most posters here when talking about directions to different clubs. What I couldn't figure out when looking at the map were those E--- labels placing before/after the "A5", "A45", and so on. For example, in autobahn A5, it is labeled as "A5/E451" (or "E451-A5"). Autobahn A45 is labeled as "A45/E41 (or "E41-A45"). A3 is labeled as "A3/E42" (or "E42-A3"). I wonder what these E--- numbers referring to. How about the U-- number as in "U32/A648"? Are they important to pay attention to? Should I even care about what they mean at all? I'd really appreciate if someone can explain to me these autobahn naming convention.
Oase is located between Obererlenbach and Burgholzhausen. It seems to me that it's a bit closer to Burgholzhausen and should be listed as that city.
FKK World was a ***** for me to find the first time. When I was driving around the area, there were several areas called Polhiem-xxxx. When I finally found the Pohlheim-Garbenteich area, World was easy to find.
I think I was able to find Palace by entering Hausen as the street area (or whatever my GPS was asking for), not the city name. Frankfurt Am Main is still the city.
I've never paid much attention to the E--- and U--- signs the whole 5+ years that I've been through Germany. (Not even sure what they're for exactly.) It may have something to do with European routes. Someone else might be able to clear this up better. I typical just follow the A-- signs before I get to my destination.
Single Pro,
The address for Oase is correctly posted on their website and you should go by that one.
I think that the reason why some adresses are given with 2 names is to denote that the place is in the vicinity of both. Oase is actually in the middle of some fields on the way to Burgholzhausen. Atlantis was smack in the middle of Altenstadt. Therein the difference.
The E highway designation denotes the european community marking for the highway as part of the European wide highway system. All major "interstates" in europe now have them in addition to their normal national designation. So A45/E41 denotes German autobahn 45 which is also designated as E41 by the European community.
enjoy!
Let me ask a question about the strategy. I used to fuck 8-10 girls in one visit (the best use of 65e entry fee, isn't it?). I use Vigra or Cialis (similar result). The other tactic I used was holding the ejaculation till the last girl I plan to fuck that day (depend on selection in the club and energy I had I feel). That mean I ejaculate only once in fucking about 10 girls (my record is 11) in one visit. If I came earlier, it will take more time for me to get hard again. So use this stratigy, I can fuck more girls (10 girls in about 10-12 hours stay in one visit). Could you comment on if it is right thing to do (use Vigra, and holding back the ejaculation)?
Three more questions:
1. I love to eat pussy. Do you think it is safe to taste pussy juice?
2. I think German FFKs are the best in the world, better than Therma in Brazil (girls are not nude in clubs) and Thailand. What do you think?
3. The best anal sex is in Brazil though. Most girls in Therma will do anal without additional charge.
Please comment.
Thanks!
#1980
Single Pro,
Garbenteich is a small village that is part of Pohlheim. The city of Pohlheim is made of several of these small villages. And you map service has to designate one single point as the center of Pohlheim. So Pohlheim-Garbenteich is absolutely correct. And Garbenteich alone will get you there. Pohlheim alone, on the other hand, is not enough.
Similar story with Rodelheim-Hausen, Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, and practically all other double names.
Autobahn names: everything with "A" is relevant. "A" stands for Autobahn. Look for it on blue signs. "E" stands for Europastrasse and is absolutely irrelevant. (If you look hard, you will find little green signs with the E designation). "U" is for Umleitung (= detour). You can safely ignore the U designation as well ... untless there is a Stau (= traffic jam) somewhere and the radio directs you to follow the U-soandso. By the way, if you have GPS in the car, that system also knows about traffic jams and will ask you if you want to follow the detour. You should accept this, if suggested.
I hope that this clears up some of the German naming and traffic mysteries.
Have fun,
Euro
It is in German, but the results are great. Try the FAZ route-planning-tool:
http://ri.falk.de/ri.fcg?SET=route&TSET=faz
Hessen Bub
Member #1980,
I would like to "weigh in" with my opinions to your questions;
1. Probably not. However, we all take chances in life and if that is your thing, enjoy. There is probably nothing anyone can say that will make you stop!
2. I think the FKK (and variations) are a close second to the termas of Brazil. Almost anything can be better than Thailand. I think if you take the best place in Germany and the best place in Rio, there will be more high numbers and better sexual attitude in Rio. That is not to say that on any given day you will not find a better pick in an FKK than a terma. Thailand is a real crapshoot to get any kind of real quality.
3. You cannot beat the anal in Brazil. That is not debateable!
As far as your strategy is concerned (and you asked for the opinion), I think it is a waste of money no matter where you are playing. You must be very wealthy to go through that many choices in one day and only orgasmo once. You must have some reason for doing this that you are not fully explaining (getting the most bang from the 65 entrance doesn't make sense at that level). Why not just enjoy yourself with 2 or 3 good ejaculations (or experiences) and call it a day? It should be more cost effective and possibly more fun.
Love Boy #2
Thanks for your opinion!
I prefer FFK than Termas in Brazil because I personally like European girl (light skin) than South American girl (darker skin) and I am a feet lover. I think that feet of European white girls are much more beautiful than that of Brazilian girls.
Personally, I would like to fuck more girls (if they are pretty) in my life. The more the better. Right now, the number of girl I fucked reaches 1100. One ejaculation per day is good enough for me (I am 50). Although I am not ejaculate each time, I still almost reach orgasm (just before the point of no return). Money is not a problem at all for me although I mentioned that the best use of 65E fee.
I love kissing feet and eating pussies, the latter is a little worrysome. STD and HIV, who know. If not safe, probably not worth to do it. My understanding is if use comdom, and if comdom do not break, entercourse is safe. I am really not sure about eating pussies. That's why I asked. Anyway, life is most important. Keep eating pussies as a dream when we sure that is safe.
Thanks for your opinion again!
Member,
Eating Pussy is a relatively low risk activity. Ass Licking is a little more worrisome because of hepatitis but I do it anyway. If you like going down (And I sure as hell do), check the girl in good light to make sure there is no visible genital herpes. Also make sure you do not have open cuts in your mouth. After finishing rinse well with listerine or another antibacterial moutwash and you should be quite safe.
Take more care in Brazil as the prevalence of bad stuff is higher, and some of the Termas girls supposedly barebacked anal with Darren James (The HIV Porn Guy). I read a discussion in another forum. Also Genital Warts and herpes are more prevalent there.
Gonnorhea is also possile to get by DATY, but quite rare. All in all it is a quite safe form of sex.
The only problem with your session without ejaculating method is that you might hurt the feelings of some girls. The girls don't feel like they are attractive or good in bed if hey don'T get you to finish.
I am youngerbut with Viagra or Cialis I can manage 5 sessions with shooting on a decent night. More than 5 and I just run out of energy in other body parts.
I have never been to Rio but I think the sheer variety of races is a big advantage in FKK's.
Peter
HIV is a lot more prevalent in Brazil and other developing countries than it is in Germany. So you definitely should use condoms.
Another two pence worth.
Peter is right that the biggest problem with not coming each time is that the girl will feel she has failed you. If I am not going to come I tell the girl at the beginning in the room and this avoids misunderstanding - I usually explain why (that I am on holiday and cannot come ten time in one day). Sometimes this acts as a challenge to a girl and she will move heaven and earth and pussy muscles to make me come.
As for HIV - although it has low infection rates, central Europe's rates have been increasing astronomically recently. The percentage increase is currenntly the highest in the world (albeit from very very low numbers). So beware. Bareback is not uncommon in Germany so don't be lulled into a false sense of security.
Thanx for all your opinions!
Many times I pretended that I came to avoid hurting girls feeling. They usually do not check if there is any sperms in comdoms. And I thanx them each session each girl for giving me good time and helping them puting shoes back, and kiss their feet to show my appreciations.
One risk for eating pussy is usually the light is dark in most FKK rooms that you cannot check carefully the pussy is clean or not.
Other risk is some girls still work when they start having period. In a dark room, there is a risk to eat real bleeding pussy.
Eating, kissing, licking feet is safe!
Hi,
I am just wondering if any one at this forum can help me, I am looking for lactating women in Germany ready to nurse (preferably not pregnant but women after giving birth), I know you would think I am pervert and it is weird to think like this but I always had this fantasy to breast feed on lactating and nursing women (I have tried that in Amsterdam but to no avail)
I will appreciate any and all help
Hi,
Is there any website (with English version) for Germany and its FKK as http://www.ignatzmice.com is for The Netherlands with details of places and individuals al as well as place information?
Hope to hear from you soon.
I still await any reply or help with regards to my earlier two mails.
S Feb,
For FKK Info (hours, directions, prices, links to fkk web sites,etc.) check out:
http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/english/quicklist-en.php
This is a good source of info. on lots of clubs from 1 web page.
S Feb
My help is limited
I know of no website with English version about FKKs. The best starting point is www.kaleus-clubindex.
There are some German sites www.lusthaus.com where you need to register for a minimal fee, roemerforum and reheinforum where you need to join an agecheck (which unless you have a German id will cost you)
As for your search for lactating women - the FKK section is definitely not going to help. I have seen ads for women but they have been in German language contact sites and possibly German Sm/Bizaar. I don't have any webaddresses - I can remember the names of the websites - but as they are all in German they're no use to you
How about finding some yahoo club etc - you;re more likely to find leads there
Or you could try www.sexrelax.de I am English speaking so I sometimes use a webpage translator such as www.freetranslation.com to help.
Drifter45
Shiatsu/S Feb,
You can join UBER18 for free with a US Passport to get access to the Roemerforum.
Trojan
Hey fellas. I am not a regular hobbyist, but I went to FKK Atlantis last summer on a whim, and HAD A BLAST! I would really like to visit some other clubs like World and Oasis-B, but the plane ticket prices from CA are prohibitively expensive for a poor chap like me - between 900-1000 dollars thru a travel agency/middleman that supposedly *guarantees* the lowest fares. Either they're full of shyt, or the summer really isn't the best time to buy airline tickets as it is the peak travel season (it's exacerbated this summer by the 2004 Greece Olympics, apparently).
Can anyone please give me some leads into more affordable plane tickets to Frankfurt anytime in July? I would appreciate it very much.
trojan
Thanks
Yes - so it claims but I've tried with my UK passport many times and it fails to do the trick. Free it may be but not for me!
So I joined x-check using credit card fro verification for 20 dollars a year which gives me access.
To the US citizens/residents going to Europe:
Also, how do you feel about this site/agency? Anyone use this before? I e-mailed them once, but haven't gotten a response. They are based in New York State, but handle flights departing from cities all around the US.
http://www.cheapestdiscountairlinetickets.com/
This is NOT MY SITE, so it is not a plug. I am just frantically searching for information as of this moment. I would greatly appreciate any tips for getting the cheapest airfare possible.
Regards,
Bruce Ley
Bruce Ley:
See if you like this airline, http://www.ltu.com, they fly out of Los Angeles. The planes are modern and on the flight to Germany the counter help is good, but coming back from Germany they give you a lot of shit about carry on luggage. I travel light so I don't have to wait for them to unload the plane, but on this last visit they made me check a bag, and it was full of Mumm champagne. Pissed me off but luckily nothing broke.
They will fly you into Dusseldorf and Frankfurt. Whenever I am fortunate enough to get back again, I will head to FKK World so I will fly to Frankfurt.
NB
I'm going to ask a really funny question, but where do they find the women that work at the FKK clubs? I know there are a lot of German women and German citizens(Turks, Yugoslavs, etc.) that work at these clubs. A friend of mine who is an attractive British-Australian with dual British citizenship wants to move to Germany, and needs to make some spending cash. She's been employed as an escort and has worked at a very upscale brothel in Sydney. She was also a bikini model and has no problem with nudity, she was sunbathing in my backyard last week in the buff. She is a stunningly attractive, tall and blonde, 5'10", beautiful hardbody in her 20's. Would she be able to get a job at one of these FKK clubswhile she stays in Germany? Does anyone know anything about the hiring process at these clubs? Also what is the typical compensation at these clubs? Do most of these FKK women have previous experience in the sex industry as strippers, escorts, nude models, bar brothel maids, rld window girls, porno stars, partytreff staff, etc.? What would she need to get hired, since she is already a British citizen, and since the UK is an EU member the work permit issue is already taken care of. Also what are the managers and owners of these clubs like? Are they straight businessmen or shady characters like Tony Soprano? I know that in Sydney the brothel business is very "clean"(Australian brothels trade on the stock exchange) but is it clean in Germany too? Or will her boss be a Hells Angel biker dude or Tony Soprano? She wants to visit Europe and for her this might be the best way to pay for her expenses.
By the way a friend of mine says most of the FKK women are borderline retards. Another friend of mine says they are mostly University students trying to pay their bills and trying to go on to better things. Which one is closer to the truth?
CBGBC,
Your friend does not have to sign a contract at the FKK of her choice. She can simply walk in, pay her euro 65, and she is working there. The girls are guests, just like the mongers. They keep all the tips that they get for going with a guy "to a room". Pretty straightforward business deal.
euro
p.s: Would be nice if you let us know where your friend ends up working. Perhaps a few of us can then "support" her.
CBGBConnisur,
During my last visit to an FKK in Frankfurt, I met an American woman working there. She told me that she had come to Frankfurt to go to school (some sort of medical technician, I think), and that she saw ads in the newspapers looking for women to work at the club. This young woman had already worked as an escort in Las Vegas, and so thought that the FKK scene would be a good way to make some money while in Germany.
So, it sounds pretty easy to get a job there, but I don't know what sort of legal issues are involved (or whether anyone even cares).
By the way, several of the women I have met at FKK have claimed to be students.
V.
CBGB,
If your friend wants to try working in an FKK maybe this will help her see if it is something for her.
I's a little essay called....
So you want to work at an FKK?
Some observations, opinions and pointers.
I know a lot of girls that work at FKK’s quite well. They are not retards and they are not rocket scientists. If one has an IQ of 50 and the other of 120 then these girls are at around 85 on average. They are normal girls of normal intelligence, and some of them have ended up in a difficult situation and some are just lazy and find this easier than a real job. It all depends.
The following Statistics are based upon about 50 girls whose story I know well.
Very few girls are actual students. I know only one girl who is a full time student at a German institute of higher learning. I know one Bulgarian who has taken a semester off to get together enough money to finance 4 years of university (5000€). I haven’t seen her in a month so I hope she has gotten the money together. Otherwise I have to say that I have not even heard a lot of girls claim to be students. It is not really that typical a story here like in America at Strip Clubs.
I know 4 girls who used to be, or still are Nurses. Funny thing is one was my nurse when I was in the hospital a couple of years ago, then I see her working in a club. We recognized each other, it was strange, but I still booked her, and had her do all the things I would have liked to do to her during her nightshift when I was in the electric bed ;°). These girls say that as a fpart time nurse (the type of job that is most readily available they were earning between 850 and 1000€ a month, that is about 650€ after taxes. They do much better in FKK’s. The strange thing is all of these girls offer full service including CIM (one even swallows). They must know the risks, but they are up for a lot, so the risks must be reasonable.
The professions where the most girls come from is equally divided between hairdresser and cosmetician. I am not kidding. I know about 10 girls who have learned (apprenticeship) each of these. My first Provider was a hairdresser, and between that and Cosmetician it probably accounts for 40-50% of all providers. I know girls who have worked in these jobs for a while before coming to FKK’s, some who still work in them and some who just started the apprenticeship and switched to this job.
The other category where lot’s of girls come from is without an other wok experience or secondary education whatsoever. I would say that 14 girls fall into this category. Many started an apprenticeship and quit before it was over, some were just lazy and bored and never tried to get a real job. Some just hung out, some wrked at a restaurant or two, some worked as go-go dancers in clubs. These are the sort of girls that get into the job because it seems like lots of money for little work. Most of these girls stay in the job well beyond their prime because they cannot get anything else. Sometimes these are girls who have left their country for Germany and have not been able to get any other sort of job.
The rest fall into the miscellaneous category. I know an ex-secretary, some retail sales girls, one who learned to work at a supermarket in Poland, and a couple who had children at a young age and got caught up in life.
These girls are not dumb, but there are not a lot of Phd. Candidates doing the job either.
If your friend is very intelligent and looking for good deep conversation with the other girls between sessions she will probably be disappointed. Some of the girls are nice, some are world class bitches to the other girls. But most of the talk is about how they are doing today, whether there are any weird guests in the club and normal small talk, including where to buy cool stuff, and make-up tips and such.
What she can expect to earn…
Most decent looking girls have an average net income of between 200 and 300€ per day of working. If you hustle and offer a wide range of services you might be able to beat that, if you are very laid back it might be less, but most girls I know that work regularly pull this sort of cash. Being pretty much Tax Free it is not bad money, but you are not going to get rich off of it.
Remember one of the reasons we men like FKK’s so much is because it is really a great deal for us. We get fair and excellent service at a reasonable price. There are many settings and parts of the world where the sex is much more expensive, and where the girls even earn much more per session. Many of these girls do not earn as much total due to lack of traffic. That is one of the key things this girl needs to answer for herself. Does she want to offer a fair and decent service at a relatively low price and have quite a few (4-8) customers a day, or is she into working less often for more money per session.
If the girl legitimately likes sex and working as a sex provider and wants to offer customers DFK and BBBJ as standard, then she should go for it. People used to providing in other situations have trouble adjusting to this some times.
Where to work…..
The clubs advertise in the “Bild” and other tabloid type newspapers looking for girls. It is usually in the same section where they advertise for us men, in the bottom corner there is usually a “Hostesses Wanted” section. Here the top clubs have a small ad with a phone number. The numbers are the same telephone numbers listed on Kaleu’s Site though.
All the girls need is a legal status in Germany. If she has a UK passport she will be gladly accepted at any club. If hse is really moving to Germany for longer she might want to take another legitimate part time job to get her social insurance and health care covered. A simple job with 30 hours a month can cover this in most cases.
Now on to some explanations of the top clubs.
FKK World
This club is actually owned and run by the Hell’s Angels, but that is more of a positive than a negative. I have never heard either a customer nor a girl complain about any negative aspect of this. The girls are not seen as property, they are workers. I have never heard of any having to give freebies to people or the like. They are working super clean in this endeavour. The problems they had getting talent at the beginning shows that they are not involved in any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] or other such stuff in this club. They rely on the legal ways in this club, and it led to a lack of women for at least the first two months. Everyone who has dealt with the club professionally has been impressed. The advertise heavily in the German Forums, and have hosted their partys which have been excellently organized. FKK’s are so successful because most of the negative aspects of prostitution are not apparent, and they are happy to follow this at World.
The girls pay the same entrance fee as the guys, 65€ a day, plus 15€ if they are sleeping there (if she lives further away and works multiple days). They keep 100% of the money they earn. The session includes BBBJ, DFK and Cum on Body is standard and costs 50€ for 30 minutes. Couch action is expected as well as sex in the movie theatre, in the whirlpool or on the lawn. If the girl has a problem with semi-public sex this is not a good club for her. Upcharge for CIM is 50€, anal is up to the girl, but upcharges range from 100-150€. A 2 Girl session is the same price, just per girl. Lesbian show is an additional 50€/girl. Each additional half hour is 50€, but the upcharges for extras are one time only. They also have champagne sales at this club, where the girl gets half the price of the bottle.
Good points: Excellent facilities, and a decent amount of daily traffic. The price structure is on the higher side, and if you sell the extras well you can make some good money. There also are not that many other working girls there for the size of the club, so there is not as much competition.
Bad Points: It is more a Giessen crowd than a Frankfurt crowd (more foreigners, less money). Traffic can be spotty. If the weather is good and on weekends it is full, some days it is slow. The daily rate is high and forces the girls to get more rooms to start earning money.
FKK Oase
The managers name is Michael or something else with M. I have met him and he is a nice guy, I just forgot the name. Lot’s of girls who have been working there for years, and seem happy with the setup. Know girls who have gone down to work for a couple of days and left again, but no complaints about the management.
Price structure is exactly the same as World. As is what is expected as a normal standard of service.
Good and bad points are the same too, other than that Oase gets more of the bigger money Frankfurt crowd, but also more American servicemen, who are into sport-fucking.
Schieferhof in Lichtenberg
This is the grand daddy of FKK’s. The owner is a nice old guy, and the management are women. Here the service level that is expected is high, and 2 customer complaints leads to dismissal. Recently a girl who had been working there for 4 months was asked to leave based on some internet complaints.
The girls pay 18€ a day and 13€ for sleeping over. The club is only open Monday to Friday. Now they have changed the cost structure and raised the entrance fee, but lowered the per session fee. Now the girls keep 100% of what they earn. Most of the girls who work here stay here. They do well. The crowd is older and very loyal. The girls have a lot of regulars and never complain about a lack of traffic. It gets full early and the girls have plenty to do, but you better like old guys.
Standard service includes DFK, BBBJ and CIM. You are expected to warm him up with kissing and a BJ on the couch, that doesn’t count to the time. A session costs 50€ and the time is basically as long as it takes. That means anything under 50 minutes counts as a half hour session. The girls are not paid after each session, rather when the guy leaves. The girls write down the session upstairs afterwards. If you are not into a high service level then this is not the club for you.
Planet Happy Garden
Don’t know the new manager, knew the old one (Tome) well (He is currently at Goldentime). But the people running this place are nice normal guys.
They have raised the WEEKLY price to 100€ a week, no matter how many days you work. Sleeping Over is included in the price. This means if you work 5 days a week you are averaging 20€ a day. Again this is much cheaper than the Frankfurt clubs, so it is at least one room less necessary.
Here there is not really a club standard, it is up to the girls, but a lack of service could lead to dismissal or lack of booking when it speaks itself around. Some girls don’t offer DFK. Virtually all do BBBJ. The weekly cost for the girls is lower and the cost for the men is less too.
Half hour sessions start at 25€. This is for a covered BJ with sex. Hardly any of the girls like this and most try and steer customers away from this option. BBBJ and sex is 50€ and this is seen as the standard session. Each additional half hour is 25€ extra. This leads more people to book longer, which I think is more pleasant for the girls (less sessions a day at higher value per session). Upcharges are cheaper too. CIM is 25€ and anal is 50€. Two girls is also just double the price, lesbo show 25€ extra each, more intense lesbo is 50€ each extra. It is up to the girl to decide what she offers and what not.
There is very good traffic in this club, with lots of regulars, especially from Holland and Belgium in addition to all the Germans. There are also a lot of girls, usually averaging 50 girls a night. Like all clubs they have some rules on the times you work. You have to show up by a certain time, and if you stay beyond a certain time you have to stay till closing and such. But in general in all clubs you are free to come and go as you please. They need the rules to ensure that there are enough girls when the customers are there.
On the negative side I sometimes see guys who hang out but do not session, but often enough all 24 rooms and huts are full so there must be some fucking going on. Girls here do just as well as in the Frankfurt clubs, they just have less pressure per day. Also in these clubs it is absolutely not allowed for the women to solicit the men, which is normal in Frankfurt Area.
Parksauna Wildenrath
Here the managers name is Felix. The other managers are Frank and someone whose name I just forgot. They are all about 35-40 and very normal down to earth guys. Here the pricing is the same as Happy Garden, except the weekly fee is still 75€. Here the general atmosphere is a little more laid back. The girls are not as aggressive in trying to make money as at the other clubs. Some girls do very well here with regulars who book them for hours (Sylvia is often booked for 3-5 hours in a block).
This place has less visitors than Happy Garden, but also much less women. Most girls who have worked both say they earn the same in both, but like the atmosphere for the girls better in wildenrath.
FKK Goldentime
Owners used to own Relax in Limburg and the manager is Tom who used to be at PHG for years. Generally a good atmosphere. Same service level as Happy Garden and Wildenrath, except they do not have the 25€ session. BBBJ is standard. Extra time is 25€ per half hour. Otherwise everything is similar to the two clubs above.
Here the girls pay 15€ a day including sleeping. If she only wants to work 3 days a week that means she only pays 45€. So the daily rate is basically nothing. First room and you are already in the black. That is what makes the Düsseldorf Area clubs a good deal.
There are a lot of other clubs, but I am running out of time and energy, so I will end it up.
If she has any more specific questions PM me and I can answer most of them. The other clubs I know the structure of are Cocoon, Tropicana, most of the Red Carpet clubs and a couple of others.
Hope this helps.
Peter
Peter,
I found you detailed report on "So You Want To Be A Hooker?" a great read. It was very interesting to read the economics of this business and how the girls fit into all this. How did you accumulate all this info?
I myself started out visiting Atlantis last year and am at PHG once a month which suits me fine. I have got to know a couple of the ladies at PHG and their reasons for doing this work were purely to save enough money and go back to their home countries.
I can certainly appreciate and fully respect any woman that wants to do this kind of work for whatever reason as one girl said to me "This is not a normal job" and had to lie to her mother about what her job was in Germany.
All I want to say is treat the ladies right but don't fall in love with them as you open up a can of worms for yourself...
Tony,
I know my way around the industry relatively well.
Most of the girls have to lie to their mothers.
The non-local girls are often more goal oriented than the locals. some girls spend all the money they earn as they earn it, some have "boyfriends" who do a good job of spending the money, but there are some girls, especially eastern Europeans who do a good job of saving money.
I know one girl at PHG (Latvian with a drop dead ass) who has bought her family a 1500 sq. ft. appartment and now bought herself a 600 sq. ft. appartment in the downtown of her home town. She tells her parents she works as a waitress in Germany, they believe her because they want it to be true. She lives a relatively meager existence in Germany, but she supports her parents and Brother and sister well. She does not love the job, but she provides an excellent experience. she was just on a 3 month vacation, where she went home and to Portugal.
She is also a girl that falls into the miscellaneous category.
Each of these girls has an interesting story, treat them well and maybe you can learn more about them. I guarantee with that sort of approach you will get a level of service you have never dreamed of. I consider GFE's lower than what I can sometimes get. If I want a GFE I will fuck my Girlfriend, I want more!
Peter
Peter,
Thanks again for you insight into this industry and I look forward to reading more of your essays!
Peter,
Thanks a lot for sharing you knowledget with us. Obviously you know a LOT about the business. But I was not aware that the prices was €25 for each additinal half hour at the 3 clubs: Parksauna, PHG&Goldentime. I remember from my time that Parksauna that I paid €125 for 90 minutes. Are you really sure about the price structure?
Ronnie
Peter
Excellent information. Such dedication to getting information about each club
From my more limited experience I can only confirm everything you say. One of the delights of FKK is that you get the privilege to share a small part of the life story of each girl if that's what you want (and I usually do). This is where to my mind FKKs score over anything in the UK
Every girl has a story - whether they are there only one night a week,(after working all week in Woolworths) to pay for clothes shopping on Saturday, or whether they are sending money back to a sick grandmother in Rumania. Unlike a lot of prostitutes the girls in FKK seem to have a clear idea of why they are doing it and because of this the service tends to be less twisted up with bad emotional baggage. (Although they may have lots of emotional issues which come up).
Please help. I will be in Dusseldorf next week. Which FKK Club is the closest to the city?
Thank you
Frekin' heck Peter! Where do you get info like that? You ust be a long-time regular of these clubs. I have nearly got that level of trust at Park Schloss Dali in Brendaler. But hte club is nowhere near as good as World.
I'm off to Prague this weekend. Going to use Desssert Escorts (see picture on the girl I'm going with). I'll give you guys a report on my return.
Any recommendations?
@Rayboy,
I have always been interested in Prague, especially based on the escort.cz web page. But I have heard from too many guys who say the pictures are bait and switch. Please post your experience, and especially if the girl in teh picture is the actual girl you got. In my limited escort experience that is my biggest worry, not getting the sort of girl I wanted. That is why I like the FKK's better, where you see a bunch of girls and can approach anyone once you have evaluated them.
Also PSD is one of the nicest clubs I have ever been to. If it was not such a long drive to Marsberg I would go there more often. Can you report about some of the top talent and whether any of the girls on the website are regularly there. Thanks.
@Pupsnu,
In downton Düsseldorf is Tropicana at Cornelius Str. 76. this whole building is sex associated, with a studio, FKK and Outcall all in the same building. This is right downtown, about 4 blocks from the Kaufhof Galleria on the corner of the Graf Adolf and Berliner Allee.
In the in town public transit system are also Dolce Vita, in Reisholz, and Blue Note in Rath.
I have only had positive experience in Tropicana, where I can recommend Anna, Steffi or Stella.
If you can get out of town, Happy Garden, Golden Time and Wildenrath, which have more of the FKK atmosphere. although I have to say the facilities at Dolce Vita are quite good. Dolce Vita also has a lot of advertising in town. there is usually a big poster wagon on the A52 into town and they have been putting flyers on the cars recently.
Peter
PSD is good but has gone downhill this year. The only girl of note there is Lola who is gorgeous. Also, the quaity of girls is nowhere near as many as World. Normally, on a SAturday there are between 10-15 girls.
However, the service these girls offer is pretty poor. For €55/30 min you get BBBJ but no CIM. Very few if any offer anal. Compare this with World where I havehad some of the best Deep-throat BBBJ/CM ever!
Also, you pay €65 for entrance.
The good thing about PSD is the club in nice and relaxed and well laid-out.
I'll let you know my experience (14th time!) of Praha. I'm also going to check out FKK Prague which open two days ago.
Have you got any other recommendation in NRW Germany? The ones I still have to check out are:
Goldentime
Oase
PHG
Ronnie,
The general pricing structure is as follows:
Club: Parksauna Wildenrath
Entrance: 50 €
30 min: 25 €
60 min: 50 €
Extras: 25 € BBBJ, 25 € CIM
So, 90 min. without an extras would cost 75,- €. But if you add extras, it might get more expensive.
I.e. 90 min with BBBJ-foreplay and CIM at the end would be exactly the 125,- € you paid. Of course I don´t know what you and the girl did togehther. So it´s up to you to calculate...
The pricing structure at PHG is exactly the same as at Parksauna Wildenrath.
The pricing structure at Goldentime seems to be a little bit different:
Club: Golden Time, Brüggen
Entrance: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 75 €
Extras: 25 € CIM
In contrast to PHG and Parksauna, the first 30 min. ar 50,- €. But you have to see, that BBBJ is not charged as an extra.
Pupsnu:
If you speak Deutsch I would recommend FKK Dolce Vita. Facilities were upscale and the last time I was there, there were lots of girls. But, I don't speak Deutsch and got ticked with the matron running check-in/check-out, so I know I won't be going back.
I had some good times at FKK Blue Note, but the facilities are on the low end. I did like a couple of the girls. There was a 22 year old Romanian girl that spoke excellent English that I spent most of my time with, and there was a 20 year old Morrocon girl that gave excellent blow jobs even though she didn't speak a word of English. She was memorable, fun, young, and attractive.
NB
FKK clubs aren't getting any cheaper, entrance averages 50-65 €,
one half hour session averages 50€, so for one hour including entrance fees, you are looking at spending 150-165€ also you have to add on transportation costs of about 40-50€, and you are looking at a grand total of 190-215€ or about $230-265US, that is no bargain.
Thanks Novize. I guess I overpay then, but at least I leared tilll next time.
Ron
@CBGB,
They sure as hell ain't getting more expensive either.
The entrance fee you are talking about is for the top tier clubs though. a lot of the second tier clubs have entrance fee's ranging from 0-35€ (some lowered during the happy hours). The sessions prices in some clubs can be lower too.
Example Tropicana:
No entrance fee, but if you leave without sessioning you pay 25€.
One 20 min session including BBBJ & Sex will mean you leave the club with a total of 69€ bill. Add a second 20 minute session and you are at 99€, make it a third and your total for all 3 will be 129€. That is pretty cheap in anyones book, but you have to be into 20 minute sessions without any extras.
Example Freudenbergstrasse 39 in Bochum.
Entrance during their happy hours 25€
20 minute session including BBBJ & Sex 20€, CIM 20€ extra, Anal add 40€. That means if you come in during the happy hour and have two normal 20 minute sessions you will pay a total of 65€. 4 Sessions and you will barely pass 100€.
there are all sorts of different price categories. FKK's are by no means expensive. You have to know what you are looking for and what you lay value on, you can find the right sort of price.
I find it cheaper than most other countirs I have mongered in, many with a lower standard of living (But I have yet to go to South America).
Peter
South America is cheaper than Germany BUT you have the issue of health as well as safety. Especially in a place like Rio, there is shitload of violent crime and robberies. At least in Germany there is plenty of law and order and most of the FKK women get health checks.
Peter,
I had my first "racial" experience when trying to visit Freudenbergstrasse 39. Now, I'm young(ish), relatively good-lokking and dressed pretty smart that night. However, I am ethnic in my origins. Can you believe my surprise when the girl told me "germans only"!
Pissed-off? You're damn right!
I dunno, RayBoy. Think about it from a girl's perspective.
I'm not playing apologist for her, but a woman should be able to fuck (or not fuck) whomever she pleases. I mean.... let's not trivialise this - to let a strange man fuck you is a very physically intrusive and emotionally sensitive occupation. So if she's not comfortable fucking a non-German man, then so be it. It could be that she is indeed prejudiced, or that she had a bad experience with your ethnic group, or whatever. It's just her loss now - the bad press will lose her some clients. Be the big man just move on - that's how I deal with racists (unless they REALLY deserve a beat down!).
Bruce, good comment.
I know it's their loss. However, we are living in the 21st centuary!
The way I read RayBoy's post, he was refused entry to the club to start with, not rejected by a particular girl he propositioned. If they won't let you into the club to start with, then I can understand why RayBoy is a bit upset. What can you say: There are racist assholes all over the world. No county, no culture can claim to be entirely clean in this regard. As far as the FKK clubs go, they can refuse entry to whoever they wish. It is indeed not fair when they single out a certain enthicity or two and bar people from entering on that basis, but what can you do? Just boycott the place and go elsewhere. It's like pubs in Britain, where landlords can refuse to serve a particular customer if they wish. That is just the way life is...
Dear RayBoy,
Very sorry to hear about your refusal entry into the club. I am an oriental and was in the club for the first time last weekend. I had no problems with entry into the club. When I was buzzed inside, a lady asked if I have been here before and I said now, the I ws kindly shown around. I was there for six hours with no problems for the ladies or the management.
It must have been an off day for the receptionist......
I'm sorry that this happens in my homecountry. Freudenbergstraße 39 is one of the clubs that is normally opened to german and dutch (male) guests only - or, let´s say, guests of western-european look. They advertise with this on their homepage (http://www/fkk40.de). The Freudenbergstraße is part of a group of clubs, that behave similar. They all can be found on this homepage.
I avoid to visit these clubs, because I´m not willing to support this policy.
From time to time, this issue is discussed in the german forums. Many guests - and women - feel irritated because of the "maladjusted" behaviour of some people from oriental or eastern-european countries.
I don´t tend to generalize bad behaviour of certain people as characteristic for all guys of the same origin. Others do. Germany is a FKK-Paradise, but it´s not a perfect country.
Rayboy,
sorry to hear about it but Freudenberg is a club that is very open about their racial policy. It says so on their home page, it says so in the newspaper, they are quite clear about it. It says German Run and for Germans only, but our friends from holland are welcome as well. On their home page guestbook a swede asks what about swedes, and they say people from northern climes are welcome, it is targeted mainly at southerners.
This club is one of the Red Carpet Clubs. About 11 clubs which all belong to the same guy. He has one club specially for people of Southern descent, called Salome. They have some clubs which have no racial bias, and some clubs which are German only. Some of the girls are making their decision of which club to work in based on that too.
The people who run Coccon and Tropicana are a little particular on letting in some nationalities (particularly turkish). In Those clubs they will definitely refuse groups of that descent entry and send them to Club ali Baba, which is also owned by the same people and set up for that clientelle.
Happy Garden also turns Turks away every now and then, usually when they come in groups or are too young.
It might not be fair, but it is the way it is. At Freudenberg 39 they are very open about it. I thought I mentioned that in the forum somewhere.
They really aren't into Political Correctness or affirmative action or any of that in Germany in General. Immigrant integration is seen as an assymilate or suffer proposal, and multi-culturalism isn't really a major thing in Germany. There are lots of immigrants, but most are Economic fledgling's from crappy countires and with little skills. It is very different from Anglo Saxen parts of the world where many of the immigrants are top tier (well educated, with decent jobs and such). The situation is similar for immigrants in France and Italy too.
If they were maybe your case would be an inteesting one to plead in front of the anti-discrimination court. fight for equality among mongers. I'll let you go to the front of the line and get all the headline coverage.
Peter
Thanks for all your comments guys. Racism does not really affect me but I feel sorry that in the 21st centuary, people are still judged on skin color rather a case-by-case basis.
Anyway, if you read my other reports, I went and had a cool time in Prague and FKK World.
Next weekend I'm looking at going to the new "golden triangle" i.e. PHG, Goldentime. Will I have the same problem Peter?
Sorry that happened to you but don't feel that Germany is really like that, because it is not.
If you read my report about a club I visited on the Dutch-German border, the German women at this club treated the black men who visited on one night like movie stars. Its called Kasteel Waterloo and they often hire a lot of young dark skinned guys, usually African and hung, to entertain their clients. In fact out of all the guys who can get laid in Germany with absolutely no money or social skills is a young, handsome black male, Arabs and Indians if they are good looking can get a lot of pussy just because they are exotic. Even Turks do well with a lot of women. Visit Bodrum, Turkey, and you will see busloads of German women hooking up with Turkish men, the weird thing is that many of these German women looking for nice young dark Turks, are the same women who usually dislike the Turks in their own country.
From my extensive experience with European women, exoticism works really well with a lot of them, they're more likely to sleep with a guy of color than a white woman from the USA. First of all Europe is not very multicultural, so an attractive guy who is non-white can do well simply for the fact that he is different from the average local guy. There was this one African American guy who made a lot of adult films in Germany, he has his own German website and its kind of funny. There was also another guy who I believe is Arab or Turkish and shows up in a lot of German porno movies. In fact I find German porno films very fascinating to watch because of the different nationalities of people in them, one particular film I remember I saw in Dolce Vita FKK in Duesseldorf, the porno featured a very dark South Asian looking guy with a beard and a lot of body hair, in very good shape porking a blonde(or was it redhead) German hardbody(but the woman was clearly a white European and the man was clearly not European). I was staring at it in amazement because American porno films are so conservative in comparison.
I've never had a problem in Prague. In fact I've bee lucky enough to go to clubs run by "not nice blokes" and are for locals only but I've somehow been allowed in.
My recent experience in Germany is a one-off. Germany is still an awesome place for the hobby.
However, see my last comment on FKK World.
German women do dig dark skinned guys, right now at this very moment a German female is probably in a resort town in Turkey getting boinked by one of the local guys. Not all German women are like this but there are a lot of adventurous ones.
Speaking of how you get treated at the door, Germans and Europeans if they don't like foreigners will let their feelings be known up front, in some ways its better than the PC charade of the US and Canada, where they play pretend, but their true feelings are hidden deep down. Trust me there is a lot more bias towards skin color in the US than in Western Europe, most of the public's views towards people and cultures are influenced heavily by the news media, just take a look at the American news media and the way people from countries that are racially different from the white majority in the US are portrayed and then watch the international news coverage on BBC or Deutsche Welle, you will see a world of difference. There was segment of Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine that focused on how the US media demonizes black males.
I had an interesting experience in Hamburg Reeperbahn, Admittedly not the best place for the hobby. I was with business colleagues on a night out.
We were all dressed like business people. I am more ethnic looking than my colleagues. I noticed the girls approached only those that were caucasian looking.
They never approached me. I know I am decent looking. I noticed they approached everybody who is "white" regardless of age or looks.
The girls were young and some quite attractive. My limited hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past.
Chorfa,
Almopst all the street girls in Hamburg are from Eastern Europe. If anyone is living in the past then it is them.
I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers. I have seen every ethnic minority imaginable as customers at clubs and in other pay sex venues in Germany. Eros centers are frequented by approximately 70% minorities. That girls have sexual preferences and experiences on which they base who they approach is understandeable. You should see how many men react to blag girls or asians in clubs. If you here them you would think they are referring to animals not people, and that is more from non-germans than from germans. Each of us has sexual preferences.
I travel to virtually every part of the world (Except South America, sadly), and Germans are in no way Racially motivated compared to most other countries in the world.
In Eastern Europe visible minorities are considered completely worthless (same thing in Italy). Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made when black players are playing soccer (This IS a problem in Britain, France, Belgium, Turkey!!!, and all of eastern Europe).
Hobbying in Hong Kong or Macau is about as racist as it gets. You get a menu listing country and cost. They basically say it is worth less to sleep with a Malay or Thai, followed by Mainland Chinese, then is Hong Kong National and at the top of the ladder (and almost twice as much) are White women. There South Asians (Indians) are considered so lowly that they are not even on offer. They work the streets and can be had for about half the price of the Thai's.
Go to Japan and try and get professionally laid as anything other than a Japanese Guy and you have 0% chance. Non-Pro is about the easiest thing in the world for a white guy.
Go to the Indian Sub Continent and you really think you are in another century. Were it not for the presence of airplanes and the cars you would think it was 1732. And before yome people blow up at me, I spend about 12 weeks a year on the sub continent. But South Asians are among the most racist people I have met. Try intermarriage. I have never met another cultural group with less intermarriage.
It is true that sex workers might have racial preferences and prejudices, but considering that most of these girls have slept professionally with thousands of men, and probably hundreds from each nationality, their preferences and prejudices might actually be based on personal experience. Some clubs have policies prohibiting some guests, but it is not a broad symbol of racism in Germany.
Peter
Peter,
[i]"I am sick of ethnic minorities claiming that Germany is a big bad racist country, especially for mongers"[/i]
Me too, Peter ;). My full support to you here. I'm Asian, over 50, not decent looking and have been to numerous FKK clubs in Germany for years. I never had a problem with a girl 99% of the time, and I always recommend German FKKs as a mongering destination for foreigners.
I sometimes also speak with the local German customers, and the vast majority has no hesitation in talking to me, recommending me some girls and give me a big tap on the shoulders with their thumb up when I go to the room with a stunner half (or one third :D) my age.
PS : I however disagree with you about attitude in Eastern Europe thought. I travel extensively there. Just back from Belarus and never had a problem. In Prague, Asians are "VIP" customers in many places, like K5 (more than half of the customers are Asian on some nights, and this is considered the best club in Prague). But we're getting off topic here. :D
Chorfa1,
[i]"My [b]limited[/b] hobby experience tells me Germany is still living in the past"[/i]
Well, maybe you should expand your experience a little bit then and contribute something new, rather than reposting the same irrelevant comment you already made back in February :(. Just a few remarks too, if I may :
1. This forum is about "Germany [b]FKK Clubs[/b]". There is another forum about "Germany". Do you know what a FKK club is ? Please let's talk only about German FKKs here and don't pollute the forum unecessarily.
2. Peter already said it, but most girls working in Germany are not German. They will have the same attitude or ethnic preference wherever they work. Don't see how that can say anything about Germany.
BTW, I had the best laugh in months, re-reading your posts [i] "Can anybody suggest ladies working from home in the South Bay area. [b]I prefer white women[/b]. Appreciate any information, please PM me and will report my findings on the board."[/i] Are you saying you can have ethnic preferences, but not the girls ?
3. If a girl don't approach you, why don't you just approach her if you like her, or are you so shy ? I personally would be in heaven if girls don't approach me, and I can take my time to choose the ones I want to talk to (and do something else with) without being harrassed constantly. :)
Please note that, in some FKKs, girls are not allowed to approach you, so select the clubs carefully if you like being approached.
Jim
Germany racist?
I am Asian, yes I am smart clean have no attitude treat a lady like a lady, respect whatever country I go to and NEVER have any problems.
Now if I was Asian, not very smart, smelly and had a attitude, I guess the lady in question may not be to keen to let me swap body fluids with her, if you get my drift.
We all have choices and if a girl decides not to sleep with a man because of race then thats her choice but I would guess its more due to a previous bad experience than racism.
I found Germany a great place, people were very friendly the U.K and the rest of the world should take a lesson from these people and I for one cannot wait to go back.
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Whoops! I might have started a "racist" debate. GandJim, you're right, Germany is not a racist place. But there are some, a minority who live in the past.
Germany is a great place for "hobbying"!
just to weigh in on this, i spent 18 months in germany recently due to being called up for active military duty. i fell in love with the place. i am african american and i felt completely at home in germany. overall, the germans treated me better than most of the white americans i had to interact with over there. i also saw more interracial couples (german women & african american soldiers) than i have seen anywhere else. i never visited a fkk club but i did visit a few euro centers. i got rejected by a few girls but there were many more girls who were more interested in my money than the color of my skin. in short, the germans just don't have that many hang ups whether it be speed limits, drinking, smoking, nudity, pornography or sex. that's why germany is such a great place (especially in the summertime; germans girls and bicycles-you can't beat that type of scenery!). if you're a man on the prowl, germany is the closest thing to paradise.
Peter
"Germany has never had a problem with Bananas being thrown and monkey noises being made". Completely untrue. Ask Ollie Kahn ;-)
Closest thing to Paradise, try Australia its even closer to paradise than Germany(beautiful women+excellent mongering+gorgeous beaches+women in bikinis+300 days of sunshine=Paradise). Its bloody cold in Germany during the winter, I remember a couple of years ago people literally stopped their cars during a storm and slept until it ended. Tripod, I have to agree with you about how Germans having fewer hangups than Americans on so many different things.
How many of you live in Germany, and specifically Frankfurt? If you do, how do you keep from getting caught, or spotted on route to an FKK? Do you fib your way around, and is it tricky to do so? Have any of you run into people you know personally at an FKK? I've been to an FKK, but I live in the US, so it's not that big of a deal. I was just wondering how you German members or residents deal with this.
Bruce
Bruce Ley,
I live in the Rhein.Main-Area. All I can say is, that I just don't care.
Being a regular visitor in FKK-Clubs for more than two years, I never met anyone I didn´t expect to visit clubs.
But if it would happen, I wouldn´t mind.
It's not forbidden to visit clubs. So, where's the problem?
i can only say first Germany is much different than USA. Second if you saw someone you know at a FKK what could happen. If he is from where you are then he would have as much of a problem as you. If you are married them it is maybe best to not shit where you sleep. But i doubt you will meet your wifes friends there.
I have a German friend who found his daughter working in a club, and that definitely did not make him happy, neither was she.
As an unmarried guy living in Deutschland I must say that it I don't really worry about who I meet or who sees me at the FKKs that I visit. What's more, I am not sure that it is a big issue with many of the married men that I see at FKKs. First, the FKKs here are generally very discreet. Both in the way that they are set up and how one is treated.
I have heard the occasional story of a guy (or worker) meeting an ex, a relative, or a colleague from work at FKKs. Interesting stories, I must say.
Bruce Ley,
It's a good question. Many of the German girls fear exactly the kind of thing that happened to CBGBC's friend's daughter, i.e. that someone they know comes into the club. That's why a lot of them commute to the clubs that are quite a bit away from their home.
But what could happen to a monger, if seen inside a club? You will only be seen and recognized by another monger. Big deal! The other guy has then some potentially damaging info on you, but it's the same that you have on him. Often, people really like to meet someone they know. Sharing information on girls and other aspects of the hobby is a lot of fun. (This is also why this site is so popular, and why quite a few memebers arrange to meet each other in the clubs.)
Problem, of course, is when you are the other guy's boss. That could be real difficult. It's also a problem if you are famous. The comedian Bill Murray once said that if you think you want to be rich and famous, try being just rich first, and see if this does the trick. Everytime I visit an FKK I appreciate this wisdom.
I often see guys come in pairs to the FKKs. If you have a friend who shares the hobby, then cover is very easy of course. You can provide a great alibi for each other. A couple of guys I met at Oase once where laughing about their wives wondering why they loved eating grilled chicken so much. Apparently thy were telling their wives that there was this far away chicken restaurant that they liked to frequent together.
Soccer matches are another great cover. One Wednesday evening I was in the Sudfass in Frankfurt and astonished that there were at least three times as many girls as usual. I asked what was so special. They told me that the Eintracht had a home game. That generates increased business after the game. Lots of guys just tell their wifes they had traffic problems. (The German speakers of you will appreciate the double meaning of "Verkehr"). But many just pretend they buy tickets and go straight to the clubs. Gives them at least 4 hours of hobbying, plus the price of the ticket and beers to spend on the hobby, if the wives are checking the money aspect. All they have to do then is to find out the score before they go home. I suspect that's why many clubs show the games on TV.
Having someone see your car parked outside a club is a potential danger. Advice: park somewhere not too far away and take a taxi. This is very easy in Frankfurt. And the added 10 to 20 euro may be well worth it.
Many guys also leave work an hour early and make a quick pit stop at the club. That's why many clubs are busy from 5 to 7 pm.
Does this give you a sense of how it's done?
euro
P.S.: All trick fail, however, if you happen to have a heart attck during sex at the club. This once happened to a member of the German Bundestag in a *****house in Bonn. Big scandal! In particular, because it turned out that the *****house had been run by the Chech spies.
I have just a few sentences to share for you english speaking fkk enthusiasts who have recently married a german woman (who may already be gaining a few extra pounds), and are interested in learning the wonderful german language.
Remember that english is a germanic language, so german pronunciation is not as difficult as most people think.
Here's what you say to your wife after the football (or soccer) match and the fkk experience:
"Nach dem Fussballspiel bin Ich schnell zum Auto gekommen. Gleich bin Ich losgefahren. Leider gab es aber unheimlich viel Verkehr. Deswegen bin Ich so spät zu Dir gekommen, Schatz!"
I hope this is a life-saver for you proud newlyweds.
Hi Fellow Mongerers
This will be my first trip to Frankfurt (Int'l Book Fair) in October. And my second trip to Europe (London, way back in 1993). However, I am a regular on the Thai board. After reading extensively the German FKK and Franfurt boards, I have a few questions I hope some of you can answer.
1. What would be the best place for a first time visitor.
2. Being of South Asian descent, would there be any problem, i.e. picking up a girl, denied entry etc..
3. Does physique count at these FKK. I am rather large with a beer belly. Never had a problem in Thailand.
4. What hours do these FKK remain open. I would rather go in daylight so I can get a bearing about the area. What would be the best time to go.
5. How safe is it travelling by taxi, train and what hours are the best if there are unsafe hours.
6. Any other advice for a newbie would be appreciated.
Thanks and have fun
Duni
Lance has Sheryl Crow as his outlet. I imagine that he is doing just fine without having to visit FKKs. In any case, considering the vile abuse heaped on him during Wednesday's Etappe by all of those drunken Jan Ulrich fans, he may not care to visit Germany for awhile.
Duniawala
1. I would go for World for a first time, simply because there is more space, a larger selection and no pressure - but it is all a matter of taste and luck
2. I've seen all nationalities in the Frankfurt clubs and there never seems to be a problem. trhe only problems arise if you are obnoxious (drunk, or dirty)
3. As for physique - well I've seen amputees, very thin and very large clients all get service. Maybe a 20 year old stud might get better service, but you sound as if you'll fit in well withing the normal parameters
4. They tend to open from around 10 or 11 until 4 or 5 in the morning. The best time if you want to do daytime woud be to arrive around 2 or 3 in the afternonn and then stay until the new girls come on around 5 or 6. That way you get time to oruentate yourself and get to look around before the clubs get busy
5 Public transport is very safe in Frankfurt area. If you're going by public transport make sure you check the return times as it tends to stop quite early. This is particularly an issue if you go to World as it is too far to go by taxi. Palace of course is in the city itself
6 Advice - just relax and you'll enjoy yopurself. The chances of getting ripped off are very very low. Just treat the girls well
Thanks for the replies. Now I'm well informed and ready to go. Will post FRs after my trip.
Another question.
Can you spit mild verbal abuse at the girls as you fuck? I mean, maybe if you discussed it beforehand ("I'm into calling women names as I fuck them. Do you think you could do that with me?"), I suppose that would be okay. Things like, "That's right, you filthy *****... take that dick." LOL. All that cheesy porno-talk it turns me on sometimes.
I didn't dare bring that up the last time I went to an FKK, but in retrospect I would like to try that on my next visit. Do you think the girls will take offense, if you discussed it beforehand before heading to a room?
Depends on the girl. Celine (former Atl. now at Oase) will say and do anything and let you say and do anything. Not sure that I would try something like that with Eva (Oase). Just a hunch though.
I am guessing that you may find more girls at Oase who will give you more of a "Porno-style" session.
Remember, the FKK experience is a chance to realize our fantasies. If you what it, then it is there for the having.
Cheers,
Dedalus
"There's a saying goes, says that love is blind.
Still we're often told "Seek and ye shall find."
Bruce,
That is not a problem for the girls.
Some of them do the dirty talk as you would like to. ;-)
Bruce Ley,
How about picking up a girl that doesn't speak English well, then you can call her all kind of names while you're having sex, she wouldn't know what you are talking about... lol ;) But seriously, many girls are very accommodating, but if you wind up with someone who speaks good English, just explain to her before you go to the room about your fantasy, and make sure she understands it is just fantasy, no personal harm is intended.
Also, given how tiny and thin the walls can be in the World, you might want to pick a zimmer with more privacy, or even better, why not ask the girl to do it outdoors, in a private spot. In Oase they have cabins outside with a good deal of privacy, so if things get loud, you won't get noticed much ;)
My advise is to get your fantasies out in these clubs, it is just here where I realized how my own fantasies quadrupled the intensity of my orgasms.
Happy hunting.
Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a good electronics store in Frankfurt where they sell GPS handhelds? someplace like CompUSA or BestBuy in the U.S.? I want to buy a GPS from Germany so I can get the German maps already downloaded, If you buy a U.S. GPS here you get North America Maps, and to download German maps it would cost extra. I figure I get more lost in Germany than I do in U.S., so I'd rather get the German version.
Any help is appreciated,
Thanks,
Two places in Frankfurt:
One is an outdoor shop on the Hanauer Landstrasse called Globetrotter.
http://www.globetrotter.de/de/wir/frankfurt.php?GTID=d0984582eb9193df714cf46af7186b2f
The have a lot of Garmin products and extra software.
Another would be a shop called Expansys. I have only bought from them online but they are in Frankfurt on the Steinweg 7
Again they have a complete selection of Garmin and other products.
http://www.expansys.de/other.asp?cat=GPSACC
There is a chain in Germany called Saturn put I doubt that they carry these "Handgeräte".
Also you might check ebay.de and do a search (Suche) under "GPS", "Handgeräte", and maybe "Garmin".
I am no expert, but I would think that it would be less expensive to download the software for Germany before you go. Am I wrong? Please enlighten me.
Thanks and cheers,
Dedalus
P.S. A few months ago, the discount market Aldi was advertising a PDA with GPS for a rather inexpensive price. Maybe this is still going on.
I tried to buy at Expansys directly one time: they have no real shop. They only deliver via postal service. So you have to buy online or via phone.
Another off-topic question.
When I hire a car I know that I cannot access emergency numbers and free hire car numbers using my UK mobile (altho I can make normal calls).
Is there any way as an occasional visitor I can get a mobile cheaply in Germany which will access 0800 type free numbers? Any ideas welcome
Shiatsu,
just buy a XTra-Card, available at every Telekom-Shop. You can buy just the Card and put it in your mobile or you buy a package of card and mobile. The card costs 40 € and has a 15 € debit. Packages with a mobile range from 70 € to 200 €, depending on the type. You can recharge the card at every T-Shop or Post-Office.
Dedalus,
Thanks for the info and the web sites, I will stop at these stores first thing after I land in Frankfurt on my next trip.
I checked Garmin web site, and they charge $345 just for the street maps software lock code which you need to download the German maps onto any U.S. purchased Garmin GPS, like the iQue3600, so it adds it up when you account for the price of the GPS unit, plus I really don't care too much for the U.S. maps, it is so easy to find my way around in the U.S.
Not sure how Navman or TomTom guide work in regards to european maps.
Thanks once again for the info,
Traveling Man
Dedalus,
I definitely agree with the comment on Celine (once of Atlantis). The funny thing is, with all the positive attitude and willingness to play, she is pretty good looking and a great screw also! Just my opinion. Some positive press for a great porno style girl.
Hey Luv.
Yeah, I have always liked her. I have read a few reports that say she is a clock watcher who tries to pile on the extras. But we have always had good times and she is always a blast. I like the way she shouts and moans encouraging words.
Nothing wrong with trying to tame a wild child now and then.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Travelling Male,
I found the prices of GPS systems in Germany fairly expensive compared to what you can buy them for discounted in Canada and the US.
Rather than pay $345 for maps of Europe to download or buy a new GPS in Germany, if you're renting a car check out whether the rental company offers portable GPS' for the car.
I went to Germany last fall and told my travel agent I wanted a car that had GPS. She told me she checked with the car rental agencies and said that the GPS was not available except in the high-end luxury cars and/or through Hertz (although not all Hertz cars were guaranteed to have them). I ended up booking a car from Avis for 8 days because the price was the lowest. I asked her to call Avis to see if they had GPS available. She called and was told it was not available. She must not have called the Avis at the airport location, however.
When I got to Frankfurt airport, I discovered that Avis and some others (I think Hertz and Budget) also rent portable GPS' that you can use with their cars, but you have to reserve them in advance (they run out quickly!). Fortunately, they had two available (one in German, one in English). These were made by Navman (ICN 630 I think).
The price was about 10 euros per day, which makes it a bargain if you're only there for a few days. It was portable, plugged into the cigarette lighter and mounted to a suction cup on the windshield. Having used the Hertz "never lost" system in Canada and the US, I found the Navman far superior with much better screens, much better resolution and much better voice commands. Only thing is - when using the English language version - there are two keyboards for entry of letters - one has the normal English letters and you have to select something on the screen to toggle to get the other keyboard (for the German and French characters such as umlauts, graves, acutes, etc..). Once I figured that out, it was a breeze to use.
This is the first time I used a GPS in Europe and it was great. Punch in the address of any FKK club you want and simply follow the instructions and it will get you there in no time! Trying to find FKKs in the past without GPS, I'm now sold on GPS! Takes away all the frustration and stress of driving in Germany. Also, when you're leaving at 3 a.m and exhausted, you simply call up your hotel address from your previous destinations and it takes you back - no wasted time, effort or stress.
Given my poor experience with a travel agent, I would recommend getting the best deal on a car you can and before booking them call their airport location at Frankfurt (or wherever you'll land) to ask if they have portable GPS' for rent. If they say yes, then book and get the agent to reserve a portable GPS for you (or call them at the airport after you've booked to get the portable GPS added on).
Mainlander, Travelling Male,
[b]Sixt[/b] has GPS free of charges on their entry level compact models. I've rented Mercedes Class A and Renault (Megane or Scenic, can't remember). I've found the Renault system better than the Mercedes one.
Jim
GrandJim,
Thanks for the information. I booked with Sixt several years ago and wanted to book with them again but Avis offered an intermediate at a lower price than Sixt did for the time I was there. Even after paying the 10 euro per day extra for the GPS I think the price at Avis that I got was only marginally more than Sixt at the time. Plus, i got the free upgrade and ended up with a Mercedes C class (diesel).
I guess the lesson I learned is call the rental agency directly at the airport you are flying to and find out what cars they have and whether GPS is available as part of the car or as an extra and what you have to do to reserve exactly what you want. Then go to expedia, travelocity and the car rental websites and search for the lowest price.
I'll look into booking with Sixt next time, especially if they provide the GPS without additional charge as that could make them cheaper than others where you have to pay the "add-on" charge for GPS.
Sixt is a great rental car company that got it's start in pre-war Germany. I like to use this company because of their efficiency and availability of vehicles. BUT, make sure that you keep careful records of your rental and make sure that when you return the vehicle that it is checked in (as far as damage goes) and that the rental in finalized. After finalization ask for a receipt showing the final rental amount inc. all charges. Two years ago many people at my company had big problems with Sixt when it came to the final charges on the comapny credit card (which did not match the agreed upon rental amounts). This was all straightened out after a few hours on the phone for each of them, so just beware and get final receipts from them. The problem might have been caused by the fact that Dollar Rent a Car actually controlls rentals from the U.S. and their computer systems(Dollar and Sixt) are not totally compatable. At least that's the excuse they gave me when I had my own problem with them.
Can someone recomend an FKK in Berlin and Munich?
Thanks!
Jaas
Jaas,
I don't know if I am just in a mood to be an ass to new posters in this section or whether it is a day where people are asking questions that can easily be answered using the Search function.
Pay sex is a bad idea in Munich, but the two clubs out there are Eden and Sudfass. Neither is reall to be recommended, and much higher price structure.
In Berlin La Folie is the only one that can be recommended, wlthough there is a lot of sex for sale in Berlin. I want to try out sex kinos on my next trip.
The real FKK's are in either the Frankfrut or Cologne/Düsse3ldorf areas.
Peter
People have told me that Berlin's nightlife is XXX, could anyone care to go into more detail? I honestly thought Berlin was a solid PG-13. Even the hottest FKK clubs are rated R compared to what I experienced in Brazil last month.
Hi All,
I will be traveling to Heidelberg Next week for 7 days. Looking through the reports I do not find any listings for FKK/Sauna/Party Treff club listings for Heidelberg. I am not very knowlegeable about German City Geography. Can anyone advise me on the closest FKK clubs to Heidelberg. Due to the awesome posts on this board I am very excited to expore all Germany has to offer.
Thanks for any assistance.
Pete
Pete,
Frankfurt is not that far from Heidelberg (Palace, Oase, World).
Also Flamingo Island (Karlsruhe/Ettlingen) is also pretty close.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Heidelberg to Flamingo Island: 39 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to Palace: 50 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to Oase: 1 hour 6 minutes by car.
Heidelberg to FKK World: 1 hour 18 minutes by car.
I would prefer the last 3 clubs, if the weather is fine the last two.
Hessen Bub
@CBGB,
Berlin really does have some off the wall pay sex. More the sort of bizarre stuff. There is pay sex available in different variations in all parts of town. I swear I saw at least 50 different places with red hearts in some variation or other.
As I said, La Folie is the closest to an FKK. The service level is not as high, like CBJ is standard. There are also Sex Kinos (Cinemas). I tried one near Leopoldplatz. Would not recommend. You pay 6€ entrance. There are two sall rooms with pornos running. there were about 10 girls hanging around, (range 1-4 on a scale of 1-10). I mean there were 50+ year old ladies. CBJ in the theatre is 20€, 15 minutes in a room in an adjacent building is 30€. Place was relatively clean, but the calibre of girls was the worst I have ever seen.
There are also a lot of swinger clubs and even live sex shows in the town. None that I would recommend, but if you are more into the kinky sort of stuff, or if you are gay, then this town is XXX.
Peter
Hi Guys,
Been away for a while.
Been to atlantis a few times but i understand its now closed.
Whats the next best place of simular standard?
Three alternatives to choose from:
www.the-palace.de (no outdoor facilities)
www.fkk-oase.de
www.fkk-world.de
They all got their own section here, so enjoy reading.
Hessen Bub
A friend of mine told me to go to either Costa Del Sol, Spain or Bodrum Turkey during summer, because both places are filled with randy young German women.
@CBGB,
I don't mean to jump all over you, but did you use to or do you still smoke a lot of pot?
I mean your posts are often off the wall, with absolutely no reference point to other things in the thread. Either you rant about how horrible the women in america are, or how great Australia is or how German girls jump on every black man or Turk within 100 miles.
Regarding Costa Del sol or Bodrum. If you are into 18 year old high school girls then you might find some randy germans. Costa del Sol is filled with 16-18 year old German guys and girls who cannot afford an airplane ticket and book a weeklong bus holiday that costs 159€ including lodging and breakfast. They are there to drink and puke, and potentially have sex with some men they may or may not remember in the morning, and they may or may not have been able to consent to. In Bodrum, you are about 1000% more likely to find Randy Swedish or British girls. They are really out there to fuck. The Germans are quite conservative in comparison.
Peter
This is not to be a generalisation but the exchange below brings to mind a recent conversation I had with a colleague of mine who's married to a German lady. Quite well-educated English guy, quite reserved but when he's had a few drinks he's quite funny. We're talking about his visits to Germany and all of a sudden he goes, "What is it with German women and black guys? What's up with that?" It was so unexpected, coming from such a "proper" guy I burst into laughter while he continued, "No, no, seriously we have a few German friends here in London and the ones who are married are all married to black guys!"
Peter, I agree with CBGB, I think its actually a good indication that Germans are fairly liberal, unprejudiced people. In fact, for all the jokes you hear about Germans in the UK, I actually cannot recall one German person I have ever met that I have ever actively disliked.
I think the contrast between Germans and, say, the Spanish is quite amazing. Germans seem so conservative when you meet them but they're actually quite liberal and adventurous, whereas in my experience, for all their "fiesta" characteristics, the Spanish are actually quite conservative people.
These are only general impressions so don't all jump on me, by the way.
Is there a problem???
Not Really a problem. I just find that your posts are often out of context with the thread.
What exactly do Holiday destinations in Spain and Turkey have to do with General info on FKK's or anything in this thread. Most things in a thread are either a report on an experience, or a question or an answer to a question. Your posts often fall into the Miscellaneous category. They are not any of the three above. they are like observations about things out of the blue. Nothing wrong with that, just a little tough to follow.
Rminds me a little of Nibu Raphael in the South America sections, just with less reports.
You have posted about 5 times how Germany and a certain swinger club in holland are "black man's Paradise".
You have posted about twenty times how much German girls crave Turkish cock, at least on vacation in Turkey.
In the old days you posted about 30 times how money grubbing American girls are, especially the ones in New York.
You have been raving about Australian Women a lot lately, and you often mention that nothing can compare with what you experienced in Rio.
You also post a lot about what friends of yours have told you about certain places or people.
I remember at some time when a certain FKK girl was moving in with you to spend the rest of your lives together or something like that.
Nothing wrong with any of the posts, just that they come out of left fioeld and sometimes seem like short term obsessions of yours.
I don't want to get into a big fight about this, I just wanted to comment on it once, because it has been on my mind for a long time.
Peter
I only brought up the story about Spain and Turkey because one of the girls at Babylon in Elsdorf was telling me about it and she and her friends like going to those places in to party.
I guess my question would be, why talk about Australian women or Bazilian women, in a German forum? Shouldn't that be done in an Aussie or Brazilian forum? We all know you love these women and that you are in Oz now.
Fellow Mongers-Can someone help me out and list the clubs (good ones) in Dusseldorf. I will be there next week. Maybe, list only the good ones!
Ciao
Try Dolce Vita in Deusseldorf Reisholz, its near an old Henkel factory. There is also Blue Note in Dusseldorf. If you like Asian women there is also the Pegasus Partytreff. If you enjoy group sex, try the Beverly Partytreff in Solingen. You can also try Babylon and Wiago which are near Cologne, you can take a train from Dusseldorf to Cologne and then to Bergheim, from there take a cab to Babylon, it should cost a total of 25 Euros each way to Babylon. The three advantages of Germany are the cost of clubs, the safety(its not like Eastern Europe or South America), and selection of women(I think you can find women from every part of the globe). The psychological effect of seeing groups of young women cavort around completely nude and the fact that you can have sex with any one of them is something that cannot be underestimated. I think this is the reason why they do so well.
Would anyone like to join me for my first visit to a fkk during the next days? I live about 90 minutes from world and oase. Post me a message if interested.
Tropicana on CorneliusStrasse 76 right downtown is pretty good too. All of these in town clubs have a pricing strategy that favours fewer sessions and shorter sessions. I am not going to explain them hee and now.
Near Düsseldorf are the golden triangleof Planet Happy Garden, Goldentime and Wildenrath. With a car they are all within half an hour of Ddf, and about 20 minutesfrom one to the next.
Peter
Are FKK girls tested for STD? Or does it depend on the club.
Gentlemen
I will be in München in the August 27-30 time frame for a business meeting. I am looking for your recommendations on where to find a good FKK Club. I've read back about a month and see one mention of Eden and Sudfass that was not too complementary but seemed to indicate that they were close to München.
I'm willing to travel a bit by train or perhaps even rent a car but I need to maintain a München base for business purposes. I speak a [b]little[/b] German, which gets better with bier, but I'm really not conversational any more. I'll do more searching but would really value anyone who wants to make my life a bit easier with some recommendations. Oh, and I promise a full FR on my return!
Nice Guy,
I recommend FKK-Colosseum in Augsburg, about 80 km west of Munich. I haven´t been there yet, but I heard very good critics. Prices and services are similar to FKK-World, Oase or Palace. That´s quit cheap for the Munich Area...
The Munich Clubs charge 75 €/30 min. instead of 50 €, and the service is poorer (no FK, BBBJ etc.)
Nice Guy,
I would love to help you, but Munich remains a great place for business and beer but horrible for hobbying. The price level is signiicantly higer than other parts of Germany and the service level is significantly lower. CBJ are the norm in Bavaria, whereas in other areas BBBJ is the norm, some clubs CIM is the norm (means contained in the basic rate)
Actually I just remembered that a new club has opened up in the region, it is called Colloseum and is located in Augsburg http://www.colosseum-club.de/ , which is about 45 minutes from Munich by car. It has been getting pretty good press. I would look for some reports on the German Forum (www.roemerforum.de), their search function works great (the club is referred to as ColA). If you can get onto that (use the Über18 ID Check, it is free and I know you can input US passports into it - littletip for psycho anonymity freaks - it doesn't have to be yours, just someon over 18)
For those of you wondering why I am answering him and not telling him to RTFF, it is because the search function is completely disabled. That isa problem that I hope Jackson takes care of soon.
Peter,
In which clubs are CIM included in the basic rate? I have a facial/cum fetish, and I would love to know which clubs do this - it will be very cost-effective for me. I remember last year at Atlantis I had to pay 50 extra to cum on a girl's face/tits, and I only did it once (out of 5 sessions) because it was too costly.
Bruce
A brief financial analysis of the effect of an entrance fee and per girl charges
This chart summarizes costs for Dietzenbach, Sauna world (Gorgeshausen), and Palace (Frankfurt). You can get the idea by looking at the CPG (Cost Per Girl) ratio as the number of girls increases. All prices in euros.
Dietz. Sauna World Palace
Ent. Fee, .5 hr: 50,30 30,50 65,50
Total CPG Total CPG Total CPG
Girl 1 80 80 80 80 115 115
Girl 2 110 55 130 65 165 83
Girl 3 140 47 180 60 215 72
Girl 4 170 43 230 58 265 66
Man, the 50% swing in the dollar is starting to hurt. Less than 2 years ago, it was 1 euro per $0.80 now it is $1.27 dollars per euro.
All of the places I have been have SOMEBODY worth spending time with. I am seeing worse and worse attitude and needing to do way too much work with some girls at most places. As always, YMMV, DSFDF.
Mark
Hi Bruce,
I, too, enjoy shooting off on a woman's face. I used to be shy about asking to come on a woman's face, but I have gotten into it quite a bit in the past year, both at Atlantis, before it closed, and now at FKK World. My favorite position lately is to have the woman lie down with me straddling her rib cage so I can fuck her cleavage.
I usually pick the bustier ones for this, although it seems to work okay even with smaller boobs (say, C-cup). I like nothing better than to wrap her boobs around my cock as I thrust forward and feel her tongue flicking out or feel her lips catch my knob. Pretty soon she's got ribbons of white come on her cheeks and chin and dripping down her neck.
My experience at FKK World in the past year makes me recommend some of the Polish women there. Every one I've been with has let me shoot off on her face. They include Nina, a 19 year old natural D-cup blonde; Nicole, a 23 year old natual DD-cup (or E-cup) who currently has red hair; Ustina, in her early 20's who has short light brown hair with a face that looks younger; and Eva, a 30 year old with brown hair that goes down just below her shoulders (she doesn't look young, but she gives great head).
They are all from Poland, I have done mouth-to-mouth kissing with them all and have come on each of their faces. They often sit together on the vinyl-upholstered sofas just outside the dining area at FKK World.
(A black Brazilian woman going by the name of Viagra will also allow facials. You can usually spot her because she's got fake double D's, perfect for tit fucking).
I do the following when I fuck cleavage as described above with the intention of coming on the woman's face: I have an extra towel and put it just beyond the woman's head. If it's my first time with her, I try to explain that I will come on her mouth and cheeks and chin, but that I'll cover her eye's just before I start to come. Even with a language barrier, this can all be conveyed with hand gestures.
I came up with this after a woman at Atlantis claimed one of her co-workers had a swollen red eye for several hours after getting a guy's semen in her eye. I don't know if that was true, but I assume it puts the women more at ease if you have the towel there and really do cover their eyes as you start to come.
As for the cost, if you come on her face, she will naturally get some come on her lips (even if she keeps her lips together and mouth closed) and since I always get some come in her mouth, that's 50 Euro extra. So, for a 30 minute session (50 Euro) with a come facial, that comes to a total of 100 Euro for half an hour. A couple summers ago at Atlantis, I shot my load in a woman's cleavage and the semen went no where else (only on her breasts and in between) and she did not charge me extra. It was 30 minutes and only 50 Euro.
But it does seem to have become more common for the women to expect the extra 50 even if you come only on her boobs and get none of the semen even near her lips. I have not been in this situation recently so I don't know if it is considered standard to pay 50 extra for coming only on her boobs.
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone else about this: If you spend 30 minutes with a woman and come only on her boobs do you pay her 50 or 100 Euro?
Thanks
Bruce Ley,
The only club I know is Bernd´s Saunaclub (Schieferhof). Everything a girl offers is included in the price.
In the Rhein-Main-Area, CIM/COF is ALWAYS an extra. COB is a matter of negotiation. Regarding to latest news COB is included in the Club-Standard at Oase. But it´s better to ask at the reception.
I plan to be visiting the Koeln (Clogne) area in September. I will arrive on a Wednesday evening and leave Thursday evening. I would like recommendations from my fellow pooners for Best FKK in the area (say within 1 hr driving and easy to find). Which one would be best to visit say Wed night and another one or two for Thursday afternoon. TIA
A quick question for a few of you regulars. How do I find out if there is a messe going on during one of my upcoming trips ? Is there a English Website that has dates of the major Conventions in the Frankfurt area ? Looks like the second week of September has some problems getting reasonably priced Hotels in the
Main Hbf area. The Intercity is sold out, prices are high !
Thanks in advance,
Carnal1
Carnal,
Here is a good website for your needs: www.messefrankfurt.com
It lists the dates of all Messe events and has a hotel reservation search function...but I think you will have better results at one of the more conventional hotel searches, like Orbitz or expedia, etc.
One note: I have not checked, but mid-late Sept may well be the start of the Messe season in Frankfurt. It does suck when trying to secure a centrally located hotel room at a cheap price. Sometimes, however, hotels block out rooms in anticipation of selling out for the Messe. Then a few days before the event, the rooms still unsold, the hotel will suddenly release those rooms for quick sale. Maybe you'll have to do like Beffen and head to Giessen for accommodation.
But take solace in the fact that, whatever the difficulties with finding a room during Messe dates, you will probably be amply compensated by the above-average girl selection in the area's FKKs...
Ortos
Bruce Ley,
Sorry for the delay.
Bernds (Schieferhof) does include Cum on Face /CIM in the price (Which has been lowered to 50€ per session with an 80€ entrance fee)
Babylon and Wiago which are both between Cologne and Düsseldorf offer the service in the price as well.
Peter
Dank u Ortos,
More girls, better quality, whats next,,good weather?
al "feta" zene
Carnal1
Carnal,
I have found Rates to Go very handy for booking Frankfurt- prices are higher on this website until 2 weeks of your date, then they suddenly drop, probably as they put those blocks of rooms they reserved up for sale, right Ortos? Check it frequently.
http://www.ratestogo.com/SearchResults.asp?ShowAll=1&cityid=302
beffen1
Peter,
How do Bernd's, babylon, and Wiago rate with Palce, World, Oase interms of quality and service? As i will be visiting Cologne, I am limited to only the former.
TIA
An Exceprt from my report in Palace board:
Here is a recent very bad experience: my question up front: what is YOUR understanding of the rules?
A Bad Exerience at Palace with Nora: Here is the pattern: As soon as you start with this type of girl, on the couch or in the Kino, they put their hand on your penis, and then give you a quick lick or short suck. THAT STARTS THE CLOCK as far as they are concerned. I have NEVER had a girl 'count' the warm up time as part of the 30 mins. Maybe I have just been lucky in all my visits to all the clubs, but this was a first *for me*.
After that first lick, we chatted a bit, caressed, she gave me an occasionaly rub or lick more, and then when a room opened up, we went. Once we moved to the room, we kissed for a minute or two, I did oral on her (at her suggestion) for maybe 5 minutes, and then she says, "we only have 1 minute left, do you want to do 1 stunde (hour)?!?!?" WHOA!!! I immediately said, "No, we're done," and got up and started to wrap in my towel. She looked like she had no idea what I meant. She protested that this was just her job, and when she did "suckee suckee in kino" that was starting the 30 minutes, and that for sex I would have to pay 1 hour now. I said, no I wouldn't, "BECAUSE WE'RE DONE." And I got my things, I paid her, and she continued to complain.
As I said, this has never been my personal experience, or the 'rule' applied to any of the sessions, at any of the clubs, although maybe implicitly the girls who wanted to rush may have been doing this. She said, "it's my job, and if I do suckee it is 30 minutes for 50 euros." I replied "my job is to tell my colleagues on the net to stay away from you." So here goes: Nora is a thin bleach blonde (probably) with slightly crooked front teeth/overbite. Speaks wonderful English. She is one of the ones who will go up to guys somewhat aggressively to initiate something; now I know why. STAY AWAY.
Have I just been incredibly lucky for 4 years? What is other guys experience in this area?
'nuf said.
Mark
Mark User,
You will find some girls like Nora in every club. If you didn´t get in to "really action", don´t pay. Complain at the reception.
Officially, the clock starts to run as soon as you begin with the action, no matter, where you start. But sucking a little bit and then making a break and letting the clock run is not the behaviour that shall be forced by this rule. The rule is just a consequence of the fact that you are not limited to the rooms for sexual action. Personnally, I wouldn´t even give here the 50 € withaout discussing this issue at the reception before. Of course you will have to pay the besich 50 €, but this is the only way the club gets information on the behaviour of the girls. The better clubs - and Palace should be one of them - sont´t want to the ripp-offs to work in their house. The more complaints about a certain women, the earlier she has to leave...
But it´s necessary to complain immediately.
Mark User,
Thanks for the Heads up! I shall make a point of avoiding her when I get there next week. I guess it tells you to keep you wits about you when some girls starts sucking on your dick. Hard to think with both heads at the same time but you gotta do it !
I have heard similar stories regarding this issue, once she starts the BJ so does the clock.
Caveat Punter !
Carnal1
Footloose,
Sorry, I missed your post.
Purely in terms of service the 3 clubs you named in the Cologne Area are wll above the standard service level in Frankfurt area clubs. There are not as many girls, and in some of the clubs I am not blown away by the look of the girls, but there is no way you can complain about the service.
Babylon and Wiago, I have not been to Babylon for over a year, and it has been at least 18 months since I have been in Wiago. I don't really like their price structure with 30€ entrance 80€ for the first session and 65€ for each additional session. At all 3 clubs CIM is included in the base price, and sessions that last up to 45 minutes all count as half hour sessions and some decent couch action including kissing and BBBJ are standard.
From what it used to be Babylon had the best looking girls, a tad on the younger side (18-21) considering that the men tended to be older (50+). Wiago is a little lower class, but since both are owned by the same people maybe you can try Wiago first, and if you really don't like any of the girls you might talk them into letting you go to Babylon without paying entrance again, but that is no promise!
Bernd's is the granddaddy of all clubs, and has the highest service level. I find there to be a lot of older and chubbier girls, but generally it is good. The pricing now is 70€ entrance and each session is 50€. But take avantage of the CIM here to make it a good deal. They also have one of the best buffet's around. But they are closed on the weekends!
These clubs (especially Babylon and Bernd's) are not reachable with public transit, so you better rent a car. I would recommend Bernd's as top of those 3, then Babylon.
Peter
Peter,
Thanks for your recommendations. Yes, I am planning to rent a car. BTW, what about PHG. I hear it may be difficult to find. Is it worth the hassle?
Also, what do you recommend for overnight stay in Cologne area?
I've also posted this as an answer to your report in the Palace-section.
It is not uncommon for girls to hit the clock when starting a blow job even outside the room. I have not yet made this experience but some girls do it on a regular basis, no matter if you are speaking German, English or Turkish.
Hessen Bub
Actually you can take a train to Bergheim and then take a cab to Babylon, it should cost about 20-25 EU each way.
Halo Boys,
I will be spending some days and nights (9/16-9/21) in Frankfurt/Oedt/Giessen to hit PHG, Goldentime, World, Palace, etc.
Anyone in town those days and want to meet just let me know.
Looking forward to visiting in some "temperate" weather conditions. 110 in Phoenix for the last 90 days has me a tad
"burnt".
Regards,
Carnal1
Hello all. Hope your hobbying has been keeping you busy the past few weeks. *smile*
I will be in Frankfurt from the 8th until the 12th of October, and I am planning to visit (all or at least two of) the following FKK clubs:
1) FKK Palace Frankfurt
2) FKK Oase Burgholzhausen
3) FKK World
I would rather not deal with the hassle of searching endlessly for the obscure locations of these FKKs as a first-time driver in Germany, so I want to take taxis to go to these clubs. FKK Palace Frankfurt shouldn't be a problem as it is a 10 minute cab ride away, but I was wondering how far FKK Oase and FKK World was from the HauptBahnhof in Frankfurt, how long the cab ride is, and how much it will cost (Hopefully, no rip-offs! Would asking the hotel to call a cab be a good idea? I will be staying in one of those cheap motels in the RLD district, right behind the Hauptbahnhof.). I hope these 'newbie' style questions do not irritate you too much.
Warm regards,
Bruce
Okay, I must apologize for not doing a more thorough search of these boards. The prospect of sifting through 20+ pages of post is a bit daunting, and I fully blame myself.
Anyway I've now found a way to get to FKK World using the Bahn, per shiatsu's advice on page 18 of this thread. The only problem is, in the case of getting to and from FKK World the last train leaves Pohlheim at around 7-8 PM - but naturally, I want to stick around late into the night, when the action will get hot. What is a horny toad like me to do?
Are there any alternative and CHEAP motels/pensions that I can stay in for one night at Pohlheim (I will be based in Frankfurt for the larger duration of my trip...)? If there are, does anyone have addresses/contact info/prices? I would be much indebted to you.
Thank you,
Bruce.
Hello all,
Mongering in groups is always more fun than alone, I´m here in Frankfurt until the 12th of September, any one wants to hook up for a drink followed by some holy quest? PM me.
TM
Bruce,
There is no need to take the taxi all the way to Oase or World. A taxi all the way to World from Frankfurt makes not sense as it would simply cost too much. It seems to me you have yet lots of time to make plans, so consider the options below. If you have further questions, I'm glad to try to answer them.
Looks like you will be arriving the 8th and departing the 12th. That's not much time to check out three FKK's by taxi or train plus taxi, but it's doable.
I recommend taking the time to figure out how to use the local and regional trains if you don't already know. It's not hard at all. Much of what I write about below will fall into place for you if you stand in the Frankfurt main station and look around at the signage, the ticket machines and the posted schedules.
Oase: From Frankfurt main station, take the train (S6 I think, or it could be S5) all the way to Friedrichsdorf. There you can get a taxi the rest of the way to Oase. Check the time table at the train station at Friedrichsdorf to see when the last train back to Frankfurt is. I don't think it runs past 10 pm so if you intend to stay later than that at Oase then, yes, you'd need a taxi to get back to Frankfurt. One option that may be easier for you is to stay in a hotel in the Friedrichsdorf area so you'd just need a taxi from Oase to your local hotel, no matter how late you stay at Oase. Here's one I have stayed at: Pension Wall (or Haus Wall), which is 23-36 Euro per person per night. Phone number +49(0)6007/1285. The person answering may not speak English, but will likely hand you off to someone who does. You can find a listing for this hotel and other hotels in the area of Friedrichsdorf on the internet.
World: There is a regional express train that leaves for Giessen from the Frankfurt main station, I think every hour during the day. To get the ticket for the regional express trains you have to go into the (DB) train station office in the main station. Cost is about 14 Euro. Or you could take the self-service ticket machines to get ticketed for a train to Friedberg (train S5 or S6), change trains to get to Giessen. (The ticket machines can give English language instructions at the push of a button. You just have to get the code for Giessen to type in, and the codes are listed on a chart on the machine). At the Giessen station you can catch a taxi to World (I've been charged anywhere from 17-19 Euro, one way). I recommend a hotel in the Giessen area as well. I have stayed at the Parkhotel (35 Euro per night) which is just across the tracks (over a bridge) once you exit the station at Giessen. In the vicinity you will be near taxis and internet access.
One possibility is to have your hotel in Frankfurt only on the evenings you plan to go to Palace. Even the night before a plane departure from Frankfurt, it's easy to catch a train into Frankfurt from either Friedrichsdorf or Giessen with plenty of time to get ticketed, get through security, etc. (It's easier if your plane departs late-morning. If it departs early morning, then a hotel in Frankfurt the night before is the way to go).
If I were to drive from from the train station to Oase, it would take about about 20-30 minutes (depends on traffic). From the train station to World it would take much longer. Maybe 40-50 minutes. Both these really depend on the time of the day as traffic can really back up on the A5 around 5pm.
There is always a huge line of taxi's in front of the train station at all hours. No need to ask your hotel. Just walk to the front entrance and you can't miss them.
I'm sorry that I don't know the exact price of the taxi's. It might be a little around 50 euros to Oase. And 80 euros to World.
Bruce L.
Taking taxis from FRA train station to Oase and World is a very pricey idea. Taxis are really expensive in most of Europe. Roundtrip to Oase will cost about 100 Euro; World about 120 Euro.
Train option:
For Oase, if you're staying near the train station you have the option of taking a train from FRA to Bad Homburg and getting a taxi from there which will cost about 12 Euro. The trains run pretty regularly between FRA and BH. Check train schedules at the Die Bahn website.
To World take train to Giessen which also runs regularly and taxi from there.
Car option:
The easiest and most convenient and simplest, is to rent a car. It's not really difficult to find either of these clubs following the instructions posted here by many previous posters or at kaleu's site. this is how most of us broke our cherry, and you're a better man for it after navigating solo.
This is definitely cheaper than the taxi option and far more convenient than the train option for coming and going (the trains may not be running wehn you want to leave the clubs) when you want and not at the mercy of the train schedulers.
enjoy! (and report back!)
Thank you Isseu. =)
The thing is, I am low on funds as it is and I prefer to save as much $$ as possible for the mongering, and not the transportation. I only plan to visit one club a day (at night, with the rest reserved for sight-seeing around the Frankfurt area), so renting a car for 3 days in a row is too expensive for me as it comes up to around 200-300 Euros (for those 3 days). Furthermore, I am ashamed to admit it but I cannot drive stick-shift (automatic transmission is more expensive)! Thus, it looks like I will have to rely on the train+taxi combo, as you've suggested. Thanks for the tip.
But now, this puts me at the mercy of the train schedule because the last trains heading into Frankfurt leave at aroudn 7PM! This leads me to my most pressing concern: are there any motels/hotels in or near Oase (Burgholzhausen) and World (Giessen) where I can spend the night after a late, late night of mongering (i.e. past 2 AM?)? I was able to hitch a ride back to my Frankfurt hotel with a businessman/monger when I was at Atlantis last year but that's not always the most reliable (or safest) way. Many thanks in advance.
Also, during which hours are the following clubs at its peak (most girls/talent to choose from)? I will try my best to time my visits so that it coincides with peak hours:
FKK Oase Burgholzhausen
FKK World
FKK Palace Frankfurt
Thank you, and yes I will give a nice report upon my return!
Best,
Bruce
Hi all,
Just found this forum about a month back, and since then I pretty much stopped going to the strip clubs here in US, saving for the FKK trip. Never even heard of FKK clubs before, my bad luck! Few questions I have before I can finalize my trip, will be very grateful if you guys can please help!
1) Are the girls in FKK (World, Oase, Palace etc.) are generally at least as beautiful and hot as the top girls in the Mitchell Brothers' Ofarrelll Theater (aka MBOT) in San Francisco or the top girls in Spearmint Rhino chain of clubs in Los Angeles and Las Vegas? I personnaly like slim tall girls with large boobs (prefer real but no issues with sculptured ones either) and not-too-short blond hair. Though I would like to think I am a connoisseur of beautiful gitls, and I have to test as many as I can in this world, is it worth to go to Germany only to visit the FKK clubs?
2) I am very exhibitionist type, and prefer to do in public if possible without causing any problem with the local law. In San Francisco, we can do that to a very small extent in MBOT. I liked the posts by some of you in this board (e.g. by Catalyst) about doing everything out in public in FKK, is it still possible to do such? I would love to do all my sessions in pubilc, if possbile, even in some sort of lighted stages as the clubs may have facilities. Which FKK clubs are in your opinion best to fuck in public? How about doing 3-way with 2 girls on the stage?
3) I am planning to go to Germany next month only to visit the FKK clubs (your reports tell me that I am missing out heaven until I do so!). Will mid-October be a good time to visit the FKK clubs? Any comment advice you may have?
Thanks a lot in advance!
Warm regards,
Gino.
As you do not want spend to much on transportation and your visit will be in the evening - go to Palace.
Hessen Bub
I agree with Hessen B's recommendation: there are so many girls that if you plan to go at night, even if you go back to the same place (Palace is a good example) different nights, you will have a wide variety of girls, situations, and 'room styles' to explore. And not the same girls are not always there every night, so you will get some natural variety.
Now, why go at night? Sightseeing in Frankfurt is over-rated! The best experiences I have had at the FKK's is to go mid afternoon, see who is there, pick and choose and pace myself, and then when the evening shift girls arrive, you get a new selection! Plus the meal buffet is ok, and you'll save money not eating at a restaurant.
Mark
Mark,
I spent a few hours wandering around Frankfurt during the day
and found very little that peaked my interest. I had just arrived from Prague so my impression of Central Frankfurt was alittle biased.
I decided to head over to Palace early,, around 14:00 and found
it quite low key, not a great selection of women BUT it was a Hell of a lot better than wandering around Frankfurt in the Winter.
I did not session for a while, just enjoyed the buzz, the saunas, and chatted with a few of the girls. As the afternoon progressed I sat at the bar, watching each new girl arrive, making a mental list, and enjoying the Buffet at the same time. I was glad I waited because I found a few girls in the PM shift that really were hot.
I ended up spending almost 12 hours in the club, took a nap,
ate twice, two saunas, 10 showers, 1 massage, and three sessions. I was a exhausted, otherwise I would have stayed until closing. I should learn to pace myself :-)
Guten tag, (sp?)
Carnal 1
Bruce,
You mentioned trains end around 7:00PM but this isn't correct. There's a train back from Friedrichdorf (closest station to Oase) leaving after midnight, and a train back from Giessen (nearest WOrld) leaving at 23:52. I've used the trains to get to Oase on several occasions, and you can stay until about 11:15 without risk of missing the last train. Of course, Palace is easier because it's only a couple hundred feet from the station!
Bruce,
To find bed and breakfast type hotels near the clubs look under www.hrs.de and giv in the addresses of the clubs. You should be able to find rooms starting at 35-45€.
Footloose,
Never stayed in Cologne, but you can check out the www above to find good deals too.
Happy Garden is not tougher to find than Babylon or Schieferhof. All are really tough to find but worth the effort.
Peter
Hopefully the links below will work.
Here is a link to a list of hotels in the Giessen area, with price range per room. Note that many hotels on the list have email addresses, so you can communicate with them in advance about the availability of a room. This is how I arranged to stay in Parkhotel the last couple times I went to FKK world. If you want a room you can smoke in, be sure to specify that.
http://www.giessen-tourist.de/giessen/hotels.htm
Here is a link to some hotels near Oase. The page includes information on Pension Wall, but no email address. If you call and get a German-speaker, just ask if they speak English and you will likely be handed to someone who does. I have stayed at Pension Wall and it is a mere 10-15 minutes walk from Oase (although the road doesn't have much of a shoulder to walk on).
http://www.auf-reisen.de/HEBetriebListe_1.asp?X=2&Sp=1&IR=100039&BSORT=1&AP=160&SJA=1014
Hello fellows,
I'm staying in Dusseldorf at the moment for the rest of the week, if any one likes to hook up to go check out some of the clubs around, PM me.
TM
just some info answering questions oposed in recent posts on this thread.
the trains from giessen are very doable, there is one that leaves every morning at 4:40 am so if you want to close the club at 4 am weeknights, , as i did sunday, monday and tuesday nights this week, just grab one of the many waiting taxis at ten to four because after 4 am, all the cabs are taken by the girls.
to gino 02- october is prime time to visit an fkk. the girls at world sunday, monday, and tuesday were young, adorable, and all shaped and sizes with an empasis on young, slim, perky eurololitas. i fell in love with at least three girls, and was already in love with one from a prior trip, and didn't really have a bad session except for my first. really gfe's all the way- amazing how many of the girls at world are skilled at ball munching and dfk. unfortunately, for girl one i fell for a drop dead gorgeous d-cup playboy brunnette- olga from russia (works day shift till 8pm or so) had playboy model good looks but was an unenthusiatic and somewhat restrictive provider. saturday i was at oase and there also were many young hotties, with larger numbers of black and hispanic girls than world. moroccans etc. this was my first time at oase and i had three good sessions a brunette croatian, a thin blonde german girl, and a crazy affectionate and charming bulgarian. i thought that the caliber of girl, for my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] -loving taste, was better at world. both places had about 50 girls.
public sex at fkk world and oase are the norm, you can do it in the kino, on the couches in the main room or more often, in the relax lounge downstairs, outside or wherever the girl will do it. i got to try out the love chairs at oase on saturday night with a wild and very attentive bulgarian named stella.
more trip reports and girls when i recover from my forced return to america.
regards
beffen1
OK, here is a very general statement:
Guys, please take a shower right after you enter into an FKK. Use soap! Lots!
Why do I think I have to say that? Last week I was at Palace, and a guy was walking around there. He had, shall we say, an odor problem. His two buddies did not see the need to tell him that. Girls were approaching them, but not him. OK, fine. But then I heard him mention to them that he thought that the girls were acting racist towards him.
I did not say anything then, because I did not want to enter into a confrontation. But so I am saying it here: These girls are not racist, but they definitely have noses.
Enough said
euro
Hi guys,
I went to Germany fra last week with 4 friends and had a great time. 3 of us went to Suddfasse. Its an FKK club a short journey away from FRA Centre. I had this Polish girl, don't remember her name, but she is about 30 + lovely lips big ass and has black hair with white streaks. Guys, stay well away from this one she is a waste of money. I had better experiences in the RDL. Don't waste your money like I did.
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i am recuperating after yet another six day marathon fuckfest in germany. it began on the right foot. as i sheepishly approached the delta counter at jfk last wednesday with my coach skymiles award flight in hand, i began scheming to get into first class. on inquiry, the nice delta lady (remember joe cocker?) said one hundred bucks to redeposit the original 50,000 miles and then a withdrawal of 90,000 miles would do it. but wait, there is no seat for me in business on the return flight from frankfurt until wednesday sept 8, stay another day? you talked me into it. what followed was six full days of cloudless sunny weather, good camaraderie with fellow punters, and a never ending lineup of babes of all nations, all of whom wanted to have gfe sex with me in four different towns.
i arrived at schipol after a six hour 45 minute flight bright eyed and bushy tailed and raring to hit the highway. wim showed up precisely at 9:30 and we were off to golden times. after a few wrong turns and a traffic jam or two, we arrived in venlo in 2.5 hours where i got my room key and deposited my bag at the stationshotel where the room is never ready before 2 pm, and we proceeded across the border through kaldenkirchen and down the b221 to golden time. we arrived at around 2 pm. there were around 10 girls present and about 15 or 20 punters. one of the first girls i saw was my phg wifey, the blasé hase (blow job bunny) ive of germany. we got drinks and reclined on a lounge chair out in the sunshine on the expansive lawn and chatted for a while and made a date for later. wim was sunning his buns as well and soon both his and my thoughts turned to poon. i spotted a couple of cute blondes and settled on a half romanian/italian blonde named vanessa. a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]-like girl, she had perky small c-cups and a winning smile as well as a tiny kutje and a very cute butt. some light dfk progressed to beffen (daty) with finger insertion ok and vanessa writhed appreciatively- i love a moving target. we did all the perfunctory positions but i could not finish in 30 minutes. nonetheless, i emerged from the kamer a slightly sweaty but a very happy man- still locked and loaded for action.
after a shower, a bite to eat and comparing notes with wim- who reported on a very satisfactory encounter with his babe, ive enticed me into the room with the huge double bed facing the whirlpool. she worked her oral magic on me for nearly an hour- a most pleasant reunion. she has nothing but raves about gt and she is there to stay. claudia, the incredibly sexy and aggressive german friend of ive is there as well, open for anything you want as usual. a slim nordic blond with a braided hair and a black lingere piqued my horns, but she was busy and i could not find her. unfortunately, my darling tower of loveliness franceska was not there, nor was my favorite finnish barbiepoppertje marlene. gt was not as happening a place this time as my first visit in july. after a not very appetizing dinner of meatballs and frittes, i again settled on vanessa- to see if she would warm up a bit more-physically and visually i was attracted to her a lot. but the session was the same. so, when wim was leaving at 10 pm, after three good sessions for him, i took a ride with him to phg since this would be my only chance to see the hookers.nl crowd that have befriended me. we made our way in the pitch dark through the back country roads from bruggen to oedt in about 25 minutes without a hitch.
at phg, the joint was jumping at 22:30. willem, horny one, jack 42, and caligula were all there and it was great to see them again. there were few girls available and all rooms were busy. i kissed sammy briefly but she had no time for me this night. as it was getting near midnight, i still had not had a session, so i ate since there was barbecue still cooking on the grill. i spotted a pretty blonde, about 28-30 in a red thong bikini. she said her name was sabrina and she was greek. we had a decent session, but not at all memorable. spent the last two hours teasing tik with the hooker.nl gang and yacking en babbelen. so, at 1 am, willem and i headed to venlo. willem, thanks for the ride, and for the gevulde koeken, they made a great breakfast with my supply of juicy grapes in the hotel the next two mornings. i slept in.
i awoke the next day friday at 11 am and, after the aforementioned in room carry out ontbijt, i immediately headed off to the train to viersen. i looked for a bus connection there but couldn’t find one so i hailed a waiting taxi. the guy tried to tell me the fare was 25 euro without starting the meter but i told him i’ve done this ten times and it isn’t more than 17 euro. he started the meter and then got very friendly, discussing the clubs etc. we arrived and the meter said euro 16.20. respect.
phg was quiet early this day, but it soon picked up and by nightfall it became impossible to get a girl. the lineup was much dimished. i got a kiss from katrin, but she was soon taken all day by a ducth guy. during the afternoon, i chilled in the garden, did the sunday times puzzle, and had a cold cut sandwich for brunch. little tik came by again, now sporting a shorter page boy haircut sat on my lap and shared her italian ices with me, and it wasn’t long before i was eating my own cup of gelato out of her naked shaven lap of lust in room 4. another excellent hour of afternoon thai delight. more girls were arriving, i noticed the serbian hottie now had bright red hair but was just as sullen as last time. i don’t know, the beloved phg vibe was not there for me this trip. sammi was avoiding me, leona wasn’t there, monica the cold hearted ass was, anja wasn’t though she was there thursday, and all the girls who i seemed interested in were being snapped up. the world sex guide legend al bundy was there. i called the desert fox and we agreed to meet at phg tomorrow (saturday) on his way back from amsterdam. now it was more crowded with robed icebears. the dinner was barbecue again but i am sick of porkchops. i spent the better part of the evening trying to get a session with the one or two russian blondes who i was attracted to and chatting with dutch guy i met on another trip. finally, at 11:30 i managed to get the attention of beautiful 21 year old blonde juliette of russia, who promised to return to me for the last hour after her present 30 minute session. at 12:10 she appeared and we quickly raced to cabin 26 for a wonderful full hour gfe- writhing wet passionate heavy petting, deep dish non-stop dfk and slurpy orgasmic daty and data, it was a multiposition moaner/groaner- a real kodak moment if you know what i mean. we exchanged phone and email- her mom lives in the states. man- it was very busy at phg this night and the girl selection was limited, but i managed to salvage the day with my new favorite phg girl juliette. after i called a cab, my dutch friend harry changed his mind and drove me home after i cancelled the cab at the bar.
i awoke again at 10 am in my quiet courtyard room in venlo to the carnage of the russian school attack on cnn and my cookies and grapes breakfast, packed, paid my 80 euro two night tab at the stationshotel and hit the venlo atms for more ammo for the frankfurt campaign. rendezvous with the desert fox was set for afternoon at the phg but i had designs on oase after medicre nights in phg and gt. so i took the venlo regional express train to dusseldorf for 6.50 euro and bought an ice ticket to frankfurt for euro 60.00 and 1.5 later was in frankfurt. this train took the short route, not the scenic rhine route. been there, done that, by car. i travelled in the restaurant bord bistro car- for the price of a coffee i avoided all the crowds and coughing, sneezing and cell phones, sharing a table in a car housing just 6-10 people with a lady opthalmologist who told me about german cities. during the ride, i called desert fox to apprise him of my change of plans due to unsatisfactory levels of ennui at phg and gt on my part. i was going to oase.
my frankfurt hotel, top hotel ambassador was on a noisy street off kaiserstrasse,in a red light area with knuckleheads and chuckleheads screaming even at 6 am, not to mention the ubahn trains. my room faced the sun and street and was hot hot hot, and no ac. it was clean and spartan. for 35 euro per night, the desk clerk was not giving me aircon. it was ambien, hornitos shots and ear plugs to sleep at this place, then out the door asap to get to world. but this first night, saturday, i had to see the much vaunted oase. i was sweating on the s-6 train and in 25 minutes made it to the last stop at friedrichsdorf- the closest taxi ride to the club. the taxi cost 15 euros and the driver followed me in to give the club a receipt- a taxi scam?? i remember a quote of 8 euro on world sex guide. hmmm. i arrive around 4 pm and there were some girls there, but the beauty quotient was not overwhelming. the interior main lounge area, where girls pole dance from time to time all night, was dark and incredibly hot, it’s a little brighter at the bar. the lockers and one set of showers are downstairs. there are nicer showers off the pool area. there is a little used covered pool and an indoor whirlpool, nice big saunas and a dampfbad steambath, a nice lawn area with outdoor whirlpools, and a barbecue area with a house and picnic tables. and about 12 plastic outdoor daybeds with a canopy and side walls. those are fun. the food at oase was served during the afternoon and early evening, when the barbecue was gone, that was it for the food.
i had three sessions. the first was with a 23 year old black haired croatian girl who gave a good psuedo gfe, ie. all the right activities with no chemistry. we had an airconditioned very dreamy romantic mirrored room in a greco roman motif with columns and shit. there were no such rooms immediately free, they have signs on the door don’t you know, so we sat on a couch and made out and played with each other for about 5 minutes while we waited. a decent start. i had some dinner, watched some girls dance in the still hot lounge, i like the dancing girls at oase, checked out the kino- the movie in there is so blurry you cannot watch it- it is strictly a public sex venue. oase had a lot of colored and spanish girls while world had only one or two- though one of the world colored girls was a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] 10 imho. by 8 or 9 pm, the place was crwling with babes, many more young and white schoolgirl types and some porno queens as well. the clientele was heavy on the turkish and arabic with some us soldiers thrown in- too bad poontang can’t make us all live together in peace like we do in the clubs.
my second session around 9 pm was with nikki, a very slim cute german blonde. another technical gfe, another incredibly beautiful air-conditioned room, but again no real chemistry. i called desert fox and he had completed his phg mission- to boink the amazing sammi and he was now a total convert. he told me she sends her regrets and to kiss pepto. hell i wanted to kiss sammi, not the fox. he was heading to oase and would arrive later, about 3.5 hours later due to highway construction. i went back to watch more dancing and was joined on the couch by a succession of trolling babes. a delightful, animated, funny, and very affectionate bulgarian girl named stella joined me and we did about 15 minutes of couch flirting and petting. stella soon had me outside making kissy face under the moon in one of the love loungechairs. and soon, i was under her moon, as she nibbled and licked me everywhere for an hour, and i her- as people strolled by in the garden. we exchanged phone numbers. i was spent. i lounged around the place, watching more dancing and looking for another girl to take me to a room. but nothing inspired. desert fox arrived around 3 am. i had requested him to undertake a mission to take a certain brug in alkmaar while he was there and the fox did capture the target and delivered a packet of priceless intelligence to agent pepto. chatting all the way, we two kindred spirits hit it off immediately, and all too soon fox delivered me to my noisy hotel where i indulged in a little captured intelligence, tequila, ambien and cnn and fell asleep around 6 am. tomorrows mission- conquer the world.
doog
pepto
Can anyone tell me where the nearest FKK to the Kaiserslautern area is?
All these other places sound nice, but when I get the chance to get out of the house it's for 6 hours at the most.
Pepto,
Excellent report.
Usually competition is a good thing, I am not sure if the new density of clubs has been a good thing. The girls are complaining of a lack of busines, and the atmosphere in a number of clubs is lessening. My favourite club, wildenrath, is severely lacking of custoers due to GT just 12KM down the steet, and it hasn't done any good for PHG either. I still consider it sub par on the girl side.
The new clubs are not causing new converts to mongering, it is just spreading the customers thinner and causing the girls to earn less, which is even pushing some top acts out of the industry. My all time favourite, Dominika, is now pausing for 5 months (maybe permanent). This competiton is destroying the business a little.
I went to PHg the other day and was not blown away. Managed a great session with Laura again. her service is limited, but I always have excellent sessions with her, but it is a chemistry thing. Then I was with the thin Thai girl Dik. A very passionate girl, and an excellent body if you like them tall and slim.
New to Germ,
This question has been posted often, and there are absolutely no good clubs anywhere near Kaiserslautern. If you are a soldier, find a reason to go to Ray Baracks in Friedrichsdorf, that is a 10€ cab ride from Oase. Find a reason to get away from KL if you want to monger well.
Peter
Peter,
I have been to PHG a few times this year and loved the atmosphere. Why is it that an upstart club, Goldentime, in the space of a few months, has managed to draw girls away from PHG to them and also a lot of clients?
Does the management and working conditions have a lot to do with it? I'd like to think the PHG management were very fair to the ladies.
Also the price a customer past for a ladies time is the same at both clubs so there is not money advantage for the ladies at GoldenTime?
Tony,
I think there are more rules for the girls at PHG- no toplessness in the lounge as at GT, girls do not eat with the guys at PHG as in GT, there is more to do and more space at GT, etc, and probably other things the girls haven't mentioned. Oh, and the girls pay 20 euro per day to work at GT while the price at PHG is 75 euro for the week- so it gives the girls more flexibility if they only want to work 1-3 days. I do know the manager of PHG and he is a real stand up guy.
Maybe PHG just got old for some of the girls and they want a change of scene.
Beffen 1
CBGB,
try www.classiccarrent.de
The site is in german language only.
Many thanks Beffin1, I may give Goldentime a try one day!
Hello!
I am from Malaysia.
May I know what FKK stands for?
Danke schone!
@Mark
RTFF! It stands for Frei Koerper Kultur, which means nudist.
@ Beffen and Tony,
They have raised the weekly rate at PHG from 75 up to 100€. When GT opened it was 15€ a day, now it is also 20€. Wildenrath has stayed at 75€ per week.
GT got men to come over with better facilities and more food to start. Now it is pretty even. When guys went there then girls started coming over. They hired the old manager of PHG and he recruited some of the girls. There are still less girls at GT, because PHG has threatened the girls that if they work at GT they cannot come back. Wildenrath has made the same pledge.
The women at both PHG and Wildenrath have been complaining about it being tougher to earn money lately. The GT girls claim they are doing well, but maybe it is beacuse of a ratio of M:W that favours the working girls.
Also GT has done one sensible thing and dropped the 25€ entry level price for Covered BJ & sex. This was an unloved option that girls really don't appreciate.
Clubs can go up and down very quickly. Think of Fantasyland in Gorgeshausen. It started out as a nothing club 4 years ago, had a fire, closed for 3 months, reopened and within 4 months became the favourite club of a whole bunch of Roemerforum members. At its peak there were 30 or 35 girls working there a day. This place hosted the first Roemerparty and was booming. Then the city came in, closed them down for 3 weeks and made them take away their excellent buffet. The club never recovered and languished in mediocrity for 2 years. Now it is supposedly good again and called Sauna World.
Clubs are a mix of customers and girls, and just like a professional sports team it is a matter of luck and circumstance which brings a winner together. The only one that has constantly been at the top for many years is Schieferhof, and their customers average age is 65.
If this business goes well it has a huge return on investment. Take the money and run, because it won't take long till your time is up.
I alsp have to mention that all 3 clubs (PHG, Wildenrath & GT) are excellently managed.
Peter
Peter,
Many thanks for sharing your knowledge. I guess for the investors and owners of the clubs, it can only be run as a business and can understand that if girls leave for a rival club then they cannot return. And again it has to be said I like the staff and girls at PHG who have been very good to me.
Just out of interest how much does a club like PHG make in profit in a year. Obviously the entry fees from the guys and the fees for the girls. And what would be the german business tax rate.
Cheers Tony
Hello,
I will be in Cologne on buisness in a few weeks. I would very much like to visit a FKK during my week stay. I will be using public transportation, trains/taxi. I am American and speak English only. I will also be in the Frankfurt city centre area.
Would you be so kind as to advise me?
Thanks,
Titan01
Tony,
Are you nuts?
Do you think I can do the math on that?
I did it for fun the other day in my head, but it is not even close to representative, and is just an exercise in fun.
75 Men a day on average x 50€ X 350 days = 1.3 million€
40 girls a week x 75€ (old price) X 50 weeks = 150,000€
So a little under 1.5 million € turnover, there is no additional intake.
Salary of General Manager plus 2 owners, who are there full time
at least 300,000€
Salary of women behind the bar 3 x 100€ (daily) x 350 = 100,000€
Cost of Drinks for the guys & Girls 10€/person x 115 x 350 = 400,000€
Cost of Buffet daily 300€ x 350 = 125,000€
Cost of Rent, Electricity and Upkeep of the grounds = 200,000€
Miscellaneous other costs = 75,000€
So doing just a basic accounting on it I see at least 1.2 million€ ainst about 1.5million€ in Turnover .
That would be a profit of just about 300,000€ or about 20% of turnover. I don't know if it is worth the risk and investment always.
Remember here I am talking about PHG, which is one of the best going clubs around, with the among the most paying men and women guests. I might be a little conservative in some of my calculations, but we are not talking about a business which throws a couple of million dollars into the owners pockets every year. At least not usually.
It doesn't take a lot to turn the profit into a loss either, as most of those costs are not easily scaled back if business gets slow. You need personell, you need to take care of your buildings, you need women behiond the bar, whether you have 75 customers a day or 50. This drop off of 25 customers a day means almost 450,000€ off the top line. That would mean less food and beverage consumption, but most other costs can't be scaled back as easily.
Most new openings flop, and you better be well connected to get this business to pay off.
Again, this is an academic exercise and not really representative.
German business tax rate is at 35%, if I remember correctly.
Peter
Peter,
I am not nuts! And thanks for the maths involved. I also had a ballpark figure of about 1.4 - 1.5 million Euros! I was bored waiting for a waiting for a taxi recently inside PHG so I started to have a think......
But again cheers for your insight into the business side of things!
Hello,
I will be travelling through Frankfurt shortly, and I have a 8 hour layover. I want to try a FKK club. Being a newbie to Frankfurt, can someone suggest a good club, not too far from the airport, and suggest the best way to get there?
Thanks in advance!
Go to Palace. It is a little quiet in the afternoon but good.
www.the-palace.de
Take the train to the main station in Frankfurt (Hauptbahnhof) and the a cab, it's only 5 minutes.
Hessen Bub
I will be in germany the weekend of oct 9 10 i was wondering if anyone might want to hit world or oase.
my other options are to go to prague or the border area of poland or czech looking to see if anyone might like to join some where
Peter,
I liked your math exercise. On another board, I wen through a similar estimate and came up with something very close to what you got. Another member of that board challenged my numbers, betting with me that the intake had to be at least three million a year. The bet was on revenue at World, and the wager was an hour with Christina at World.
I am sure that I won that bet. But when I approached Christina and asked her if the guy had paid up, she did not know what I was talking about. So if you are reading this, k69u, pay up!
By the way, Peter, you already had $300k for salary of the owners. Since they also get the profit, the margin for them is higher than the $300k profit that you estimate. On the other hand, there is the real estate investment that has to be amortized. So I think you are pretty close.
Cheers
euro
Thanks a lot to Beffen1 for answering my questions couple of weeks back.
One more: To the folks traveling from US, particularly west coast. Do you know of any website or agency to get reasonably priced airline ticket for San Francisco / Los Angeles to Frankfurt ? I am thinking of my debut trip to the FKK heaven in mid to end October, and most websites / agencies are quoting $1000 or more? Is that common? From what I read from some of the posts here, sounded like it should be much less.
Your help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Gino
The women at most of the FKK clubs actually make fairly modest incomes. I doubt it would exceed more than 300EU a night with an absolute max of 500EU(fucking 10 guys in a shift sounds tiring). Very few girls stay in the profession long term, most do it to get money for school, pay off a debt, or do something else. I think the average career length for most women is rarely more than a few months. For some of the legal German women, I really wonder why they would work so much in an FKK when they can earn 10 times the amount they earn in Germany, working as a London escort? I was also thinking New York but in NYC there is a very strong mafia element to prostitution and those guys are ROUGH. Thankfully for us mongerers these girls don't have a fucking clue about capitalism. I actually got to know some girls and from their looks, you think they would be dating rich handsome studs, not, most of these guys are just average joes.
CBGB,
Yopur estimate on earnings are high. Most girls are netting 200€ max on average at any club. If they are really hustling they can pull down more, but your average working girl isn't making more than 200€ on a working day.
Also you are wrong in your length of career estimate. Either a girl get's out in the first month or she is definitely in the game for at least a year, I would say average 3 years. Some go off and on, but once you have managed your first customer it is totally easy to get back into the game. I know at least 15 girls who have told me they are getting out of the game for good. I have run into 13 of them within 18 months in a club, 1 other I have heard that she got back in 3 months ago (but i am sad that I missed her), and the 15th I am still waiting for.
I know girls who came to earn money to go study in Bulgaria. In 3 months they got the 5000€ she said she needed for all 4 years of studying. 1 year later (semester break) she was back for 3 months. I asked her why (because I knew she didn't really like the job). She said, now she had a new goal, 5000€ and she could buy an appartment. I guarantee you this girl will keep coming back each time she has a new goal. The "I'll do this for a month to earn some money and then never go back" Is as believeable as people who say they only use cocaine once a year.
I know girls who work in Zurich and nett about 600€ a day, but still work in FKK's when they are home in Germany. Just because guys pay more doesn't mean you earn more. The girls live normally in Germany, have normal appartments, cars etc. They don't want to live in London. they also know the set up in FKK's and have heard from other girls that it is OK. The set up of Escort is totally different and a lot of girls don't feel comfortable with it.
There are clubs in Germany (Like Rethel Strasse in Düsseldorf) where the cost is 300€ an hour. Sounds like the girls can earn more ther, but since they only get one customer a week there they earn significantly less. I know one girl who works at a Red Carpet Club where the session goes for 20€ for 20 minutes, and she earns 50% more than she did in Atlantis.
walmart also makes more money than a lot of upscale boutiques.
Peter
Nice analogy but Walmart doesn't carry 7 carat diamonds for $50.
It looks like I will be in the Frankfurt area on the 23rd of September through Sunday the 26th (coming for the weekend from France) and wondering if anyone will be around to hit the some of the highlights (I am posting this in the Frankfurt section too). PM me if you want to catch up.
I would be willing to share a rental car if anyone is interested.
N
Hey Gino02,
Try Travelocity.com or the travel section of the aol.com or msn.com main pages. I am travelling to Frankfurt in early December for $400-450 round trip from the Midwest (USA). From October through next April the prices should be good, with the best fares available if you can book well in advance. It takes some planning. I have to admit after 12 trips to Germany for the FKK scene, this is the first time I booked so early. With just a month to go, you may end up paying more but it shouldn't be in the range you mentioned.
You might also check out LTU.com which is a German airline with some low fares. I think they have flights out of LA. They may land in Dusseldorf, but there is a fair amount of good FKK action in that area and the train fare to Frankfurt is not bad.
CBGB,
I couldn't find a price quote for 7ct diamonds, but I did for 5+ and those go for between $60,000-$150,000 depending on cut and grade. If you tell me where these girls would be having sessions for a price like that instead of 50€ then let me know. The most expensive I have ever found was some "Real Top International Model from Paris" who wanted $50,000 dollars. Otherwise there are the girls from Eli Agency who also want a couple of grand a day, but in all my mongering time I have never met anyone who has booked either.
Peter
Hi, I saw that the Palace was listed down here somewhere for guys with some hours to kill at the airport (FRA). Question will be how and what time it takes from FRA to Central train station?
Did the same exercise in London once and then I almost lost my flight due to the "milk route" tube to Heathrow :-)
gracias, U
Ubba,
In the airport there is a regional train station and a Long Distance train Station. The regional train station has symbols like an RB and an S in a green circle. This is the one you want to head to. Take the S8 or S9 towards Frankfurt HBF (main Train Station). One of these two leaves every 15 minutes (same the way back) and takes exactly 10 minutes to get to the main train station. That is a world of difference to Heathrow which is about 60 minutes by normal Tube from downtown, and 15 minutes via the extremely expensive heathrow express to Paddington. It really is close, easy and cheap to get to. I think the S Bahn costs under 2€.
Peter
Uggabugga,
You can hire a taxi that will bring you from the airport to Palace in 15 minutes. I don´t know the taxi-pricing, but it could easyly cost 40 € for one way.
Or you take the S-Bahn. It´s about 25 minutes from the airport to frankfurt main station, from where you can go by S-Bahn - add 20 minutes plus 10 minutes for changing the trams. So the total estimated time is 1 hour each way, the cost is about 5 € each way.
Alternatively you can go by S-Bahn to Frankfurt Main station and then drive by taxi (10 minutes). Then the estimeated time per way is 40 minutes, the cost approximately 16 € per way.
You pay the money, so you take your choice.
Thanks to both for details, however I noticed a distict difference in the time estimates from FRA to HBF. No wonder why the taste of babes are different as well :-))) With just above 2 hours to my "disposal" I need to be clever in householding the minutes so maybe it's safest to opt for the taxi.
Ubba,
Novize and I actually like a lot of the same girls.
I did the real research before posting. I went to www.db.de, which is the German Rail homepage. S( and S) go at :13, :28, :43, and :58 almost every hour. It also lists the time of arrval at the main train station as exactly 10 minutes later.
However, if you only have 2 hours stopover you got no chance. It will take at least 25 minutes to clear customs and leave the building, and at least another 25 minutes to get back to your gate. Going to an FKK with less than 2-3 hours to be able to spend there is a total waste. I would not recommend it at all. It is not a situation you want to rush. If you had 4 hours I would say it is worth it, but not with 2.
Peter
To any US Armed Forces reading this:
As reported today in US Papers, they are planning to make going to RLD's or FKK's a specific violation of the UCMJ.
http://heraldsun.com/firstnews/37-524558.html
They're going to need a hell of a pussy posse to enforce that "code of military justice." World and Atlantis aren't a short car ride away from the Ray Barracks for nothing.
As has often been stated, it is best to visit the Frankfurt area FKKs when there are no trade fairs.
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/messen_messeninfrankfurt.html
will tell you which ones are coming up in the next few months.
I guess the Buchmesse (6-10 Oct) is one period definitely to be avoided. Anyone know of others on the list which will be heavily visited?
Toscana:
Shit, why are the fairs bad times to go? Incidentally I've booked my visit until the 13th of October.
As I watched the groups of American GI's wander around the various caverns of World FKK I wondered to myself when and if the day will come when they are restricted from this type of
entertainment. As bad as the images are from the Iraqi Sex scandals in the prisons,, I believe that the indifference the Army has towards this type of behavior will soon change.. I doubt the
U.S.A wants any of these images spread across the tabloids of Europe, America or anywhere else in the world. I think it is great that they have these opportunities,, as all men should ! Unfortunatley the atmosphere in the press would take stories of GI's fucking around to the next level of propaganda.. Embarrassing both the USA and the individual soldiers.
Last Saturday I spoke with a few local GI's the night before they were shipped off to Iraq. They acted very low key about it but I could sense the uncertainty in their body language and eyes. I cannot believe that the US Govt would keep these boys from one last night of fun before they head for the dangers of Iraq.
Too bad,
Carnal1
From the Article mentioned below:
[quote]
Gen. Leon J. LaPorte, commander of the 37,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, said another initiative started on the peninsula has been to "make on-base military life a more desirable experience, and attempt to diminish the seductive appeal of many of the less wholesome off-duty pursuits."
That effort includes offering expanded evening and weekend education programs, band concerts, late-night sports leagues and expanded chaplains' activities.
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Gen. LaPorte really needs to visit a FKK if he thinks that his alternatives are really going to keep anyone from going to FKK's.
My Favourite club is a normal watering hole fro British Soldiers, from the base near there. As an American who never had to go to war, or join the army, I sometimes do my part and pay for a session for a soldier who has just come back from Iraq. I think I have done that for 5 soldiers until now. It is like my relatives who bought War Bonds during WWII, just doing my part.
Peter
More on the US situation:
Since the White House announced the new policy of "screw the soldier and his family" by redeploying troops back to the US, so almost ALL troops will be deployed away from their families, the problem has been pointed out that some single soldiers, and unaccompanied married soldiers are very, very likely to get into all kinds of trouble. The military life and extended deployments are making it very hard on these guys. They need some kind of release, but the brass knows that the drinking/sex/drugs releases are going to be quite scandalous.
We need to find a way to support the troops. As long as the girls involved are legal, there shouldn't be a problem. If the problems are similar to Atlantis' closing, then there will be a problem.
PLUS in the Balkans, the locals really are engaged in white slavery and trafficking in women since there is so much money to be made in a short time servicing the troops.
This may be a "close to the election" ploy to win some support among American women. But it is also likely to be a realization that the conflict of policies is going to cause problems.
Amazing.
And I thought we won the war. Enough of politics.
One night, not long after the start of the Iraq war, I watched a bunch of Arabs come in to Oase. The mingled effortlessly with Americans in there. We all were there for the same reasons; and everybody got along just fine. I wondered what would happen if all men were offered this opportunity as often as they wanted. Maybe that would be the end of all wars. Probably not exactly as John Lennon envisioned it, but hey.
Keeping soldiers out of *****houses - that's a good one. What's next? No more cigarettes? Booze?
grumble, grumble
euro
quote:
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We need to find a way to support the troops. As long as
the girls involved are legal, there shouldn't be a problem.
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The best way to help support the troops on this matter is to write/email your elected representatives both in Congress and the White House and let them know how strongly you are opposed to this idea. Be polite, but firm and clearly spell out why you think this change to the UCMJ is wrong.
Trojan
Uggabugga, Peter,
I checked out www.rmv.de before I posted my answer. But I selected the slowest trains available. Maybe that explains the difference. I didn´t want to get you in a time-trap.
But Peter is right. 2 hours isn´t enough time to enjoy a FKK-Club. Under these circumstances I think it would be better to take a look at www.ladies.de and to make an appointment with one of the girls who offer inhouse-service.
supporting the troops:
we had a short discussion about gis in fkk-clubs in a german forum. although a lot of them behave badly, we all think, that they should have the right to have some fun before they leave germany towards iraq - or come back having been there for a long time. in my personal opinion, it´s one of the few situations one should tolerate bad behaviour towards other guests or women.
the general discussion about supporting trafficking isn´t that easy. all people going to fkk-clubs, *****houses or similar institutions support trafficking, and that really is a problem. although the situation may be worse in other countries (kosovo for example), we shouldn´t think that every woman in germany is in this business volunteerly. do we help them? no. (i wouldn´t really recommend to try, unless you have the nato supporting you). we try not to have a look at this.
but just looking somewhere else isn´t a thing a government can do for a longer time without loosing authority. this summer (when there were no big political themes to be discussed) some german politicans called for punishment of punters who use a girl´s service when it´s obvious, that she doesn´t work volunteerly. of course there is no way to prove this. but the problem still remains.
i think we´ll have to see how the army will work with this new rule. i could imagine that it´s executed more strictly in countries like iraq, korea or the balkans than in germany, because the risk of supporting trafficking is much higher there. in the balkans or iraq, there is no local government that can take care about the women´s rights. in germany there is one. of course it doesn´t work perfectly, but which government does?
btw, we had a similar discussion when it was communicated that german soldiers visited enslaved, ****d prostitutes in the balkans. according to german law, these soldiers could be held responsible and have to go to jail for this (as any german civil citizen visiting ****d prostitutes anywhere in the world). i don´t know, if any german soldier has really been punished.
How exactly do GIs behave badly??? I am offended by that statement, these are the people who protect our freedoms, don't forget that.
There is a good reason that tolerance and understanding is needed on the forum. Otherwise misunderstandings and antagonism wil grow
CBGB is offended. However I am sure CBGB misunderstands Novize's meaning in Novize's reflective report on the problem of trafficking in response to Mark User's informative report
I am sure that CBGB did not mean to imply that because GIs are are protecting our freedoms they are allowed to do anything (presumably outside FKKs as well). I am sure I am misunderstanding his meaning. The legal implications are enormous but this is not hte place for politics. I would love to have a discussion about why I think the US/UK invasion is a threat to my freedom (as a UK citizen) but the forum is not theplace for this kind of debate so I will not start it
Let's stick to Euro's view that Arabs and Anglos aren't natural born enemies who can't share an FKK without trouble
If wsg members can't find some understanding then what hope for the rest of the world
I also hope that CBGB's comment does not imply that US GIs have a license to do whatever they want.
Like Peter, I never had to wear the uniform and have been known to stand a GI to an FKK session or two in the past. The vast majority of GIs that I have seen and met in FKKs are very respectful and well behaved. In fact, often it is not so easy to pick them out in the crowd. Remember everyone is wearing just a towel. I have however on a very few occasions obesrved a group of rowdy US GIs in FKKs. One particular occasion at Atlantis a few years back was particularly embarrasing.
Just to be fair, I have also seen groups of German business types get a little rowdy during Messezeit.
The idea that just because these men (and women) are "protecting our freedoms", they may act as they wish (esp. in a sovereign nation and the last time I checked Germany qualified) not only smacks of jingoism, but it is downright dangerous.
However, I am sure that this was not CBGB's intent.
Peace,
Dedalus
How do GI´s behave badly?
They are rude, they smoke in the yacuzzi, they throw their waste (i. e. empty cigarette-boxes) everywhere and so on.
But we understand that they stand under enormous pressure because they have to leave for Iraq. That´s why most other guests don´t mind, although they feel offended by this behaviour.
In general GIs behave like every other group of visitors. Most of the time they behave good, sometimes they behave not so good. But when they know that they have to leave for Iraq, their behaviour changes dramatically, like mentioned above. That´s what I meant in my former posting. I didn´t want to express that GIs always behave rude. If this caused a misunderstanding, I apologize for that.
And be sure, CBGB, I don´t forget what theses boys are fighting for (it is not only our freedom). That´s why I tolerate this behavour. I wouldn´t do that, if they came to a club under different circumstances.
Hi Peter, and thanks for your effort to my behaviour regarding research on trains etc. [sorry for delay in answering but I've been out travelling (not via FRA though)]. I actually do have 3h50m minutes in my planned stop so the CC, transfere etc was already included in my considerations, but that was anyhow why I'm tedious by the details. Sorry for not pointing out that earlier, however since my stop is early in the day, I need to be there by their opening time. Will this be a huge problem? (Everything is relevant and I'm not very picky as I quite rapidly start to think with my lower brother, however I need to see some specialities in everyone, and at least 5-6 to choose from)
wbr U
Bruce Ley
Trade Fairs
well, as has been noted occasionally on the forum (and I have experienced myself), the FKKs can become very busy in the evenings when the town is full of visitors for trade fairs. Really busy. Especially Palace, it is just round the corner. And you won't find a hotel bed for love or money either.
Good for the girls up to a certain level of stress, but because of the reduced choice, not for me. Annoying if you've travelled a way to get there.
Seems no one else really minds, which is fine. I'll monitor the list though.
Last fair (Automechanica) Palace and Oase were very busy. No more lockers available, crowds of men pushing through, girls somewhat annoyed, 1hour waiting-list for rooms.
Hessen Bub
UB,
If you land on time, and have your luggage checked through and your seat for the second leg of the flight (make sure you have all of these done), then hustle through to the S-Bahn. If you get there at opening, you should still have a good time. I have never been to palace, but most clubs make sure that at least 6-10 girls are there at opening. You should have enough time to do what you want to do. But have a cut off time when you WILL leave the club. Then you should have no problems.
Peter
UB,
I (you) cannot be sure that the quality at Palace will be so great at that hour. My experience is that evening shifts are quite a bit better at the frankfurt clubs than the morning/afternoon shifts.
Good luck,
Dedalus
How do you know when a fair is happening in Frankfurt? Is there a website or something that lists the fair dates so I can avoid the crowds?
Thanks,
Jaas
Working in the Heidelberg area for a couple months. Noticed this website www.club-palm-beach.de
Any information on this. Is it an FKK, brothel or escort service? I do not understand German and the translator online is not very good.
Thanks for any info that you may have.
Z.
Jaas,
Check out http://www.messefrankfurt.com It should list all the current and future fairs. There is currently a book fair until the 10th, and the hotel prices have shot up to the roof! it is better to come later or to book a hotel outside of Frankfurt.
Best of luck,
TM
Jaas,
Here you go:
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corporate/en/
Enjoy
euro
Zinger,
Looks like a typical appartment brothel. There is no info about it on German forums. You probably should call to find out prices, but it looks like it is expensive, because they talk about Champagne included in the hour long service. That is often a sign of expensive clubs. They also specifically say they are not an FKK, which often means "don't expect FKK pricesor service level". You don't pay an entrance fee, but the price of servicer is higher. In their service chart they only list 4 of the 20 girls that ever work there (seems like 6 girls work their each week) offer kissing. In FKK's that is the standard. Give them a call to find out.
Peter
@Zinger: Take the tour to Frankfurt (Palace or a little further Oase, Atlantis, FKKW) or to Karlsruhe (Flamingo Island, Ettlingen). It will be worth the trip; value for money should be much better in the clubs.
Hessen Bub
I hear that gas prices are through the roof just like everywhere else in the world. Was considering a "break day" between visiting my fave clubs next month and head down towards Munich and maybe check out the Mercedes factory tour or a drive through the forest, but might blow it off if petrol costs are gonna suck my wallet dry.
So what's the going rate for gasoline and diesel right now?
fkk,
mercedes is in stuttgart, not munich, bmw is munich.
gas is running 1,10-1,20€/litre and diesel is about 0,90€/litre. in a normal car at a normal speed you can calculate 8-10 cents per kilometre for gas alone.
from frankfurt to munich is about 600km round trip, so that is like 50-60€ in gas. if you know your dates and you book early you might get a deal on the train.
peter
I have a general question for the more experienced members.
I am a big fan of DATY & DFK but how can you do this with girls who were just giving BBBJ to someone else 5 minutes before?
Regarding the DATY, I know they use protection but still.
damn! that's more than $4.50 a fucking gallon!
oh well...cheap pussy, expensive gas.
glad i don't fuck my car.
Ooops sorry Peter, I knew that.
I meant all the car factories are around there anyhoo. Speaking of which I wonder what the current level of service at the big club in Augsburg is... Anything exciting reported on the German boards?
Thanks for the info on the petrol. It's bad but not horrendous I guess... I like to drive around but depends alot on the weather. If it calls for rain or (gasp!) snow it might not be a good idea to be moving around so much and I'll just hang between the FFM area clubs and the golden triangle. But if it's sunny, look out!
Dain
If you are worried about it , just don't do it until you feel comfortable.
The girls are professional - this means that you are paying for your time with them and have to recognise they can do whatever they want when they are not with you, Come to think of it - it's a bit like any relationship - the other person has to have the freedom to do what they need to.
If you're worried about taste etc - most girls will shower and rinse their mouths between clients.
As for infection - I can't remember the detail but it is a relatively safe form of sex, - the biggest risk being herpes, which is not normally significant. I think it's very rare in FKKs from what I've seen.
This new upscale FKK club opened a few days ago just south of Koeln.
http://www.samya.com
They have a number of former FKKWorld and FKKGoldenTime ladies working there right now. Did anyone visit? A report would be appreciated!
I am visiting Bonn next week. Can anybody suggest some good FKK clubs in and around Bonn city., with addrerss.
Which FKK club do you guys recomend in Cologne? I'm going to be there for a couple of days in late November, but I will not have a car. So, Are there any FKK clubs easy to get to using a taxi?
Thanks for the help everyone.
Jaas
Notsure of te address, but I am sure you can find info on the net. The place is called Samya and opened up on October 1st. It is the first and only real FKK in Cologne. Has been getting excellent reviews, even from the heads of german boards. You can mention me to a girl using the name vivien who used to be anita in wildenrath. I have already recieved internet shout outs from her on other boards. Never been to a room with her, but say hi from me.
Peter
[url]www.samya.de[/url] or [url]www.samya.com[/url]
Hessen Bub
Looks good. Thanks for heading me in the right direction. I don't speak German and am trying to figure out how easy it is to get to this place. Is it in town or close enough to get to by taxi?
Thanks again,
Jaas
The distance from Cologne town-center to Samya is about 10 km. You can go by taxi or take the tram (line 16). The tram needs approx. 25 minutes from station "Dom/main station" to station "Michaelshoven". Trom there it´s a 5-minute-walk to Samya.
I will be in Cologne and Frankfurt in a couple of weeks. I plan to visit Samya & The Palace. I will not have a car, but a rail pass. If anyone has suggestions of other clubs I could visit without the aid of a car, it would be greatly apprecitated.
Anyone been here ? Their website makes it look pretty big and deluxe, but I know the whole Munich area has a bad reputation.
hey
I found this post on the other board and though maybe someone with a bit more FKK expearance than me could comment on it
"Every 2 weeks. At Oase, n/r Frankfrurt and FKK World
Last week 15 were expelled for herpes, gonhorhea andc other rashes. HIV & Syph not disclosed"
It ws posted to in responce to a question as to how often girls at fkks are tested for STDs i said i thought it was not required as the girls are indpendent but this was a other reply.
anyway just looking for comments
rd
Reddog,
the big clubs at least in the Rhein-Main-area have an offer for the girls to be tested every two weeks. It´s the same procedure at World and Palace. The clubs don´t have to offer these tests, but they care about health issues "volunteerly". It is better for them to take care about health issues before the male guests get infected. If this would happen, nobody would go there anymore.
Normally the clubs don´t publish the results. Perhaps some girls go "on vacation" for two weeks unplanned, but no club-manager will tell you, how many girls were tested positively and what exactly they found.
So, the results published in the other forum may be right. But it´s just a 50:50-chance.
Well. at least it shows that the clubs take care about health issues. Most girls I know gladly accept the offer for the tests. For us it´s not a 100% risk-elimination, but it lowers our risk to be infected significantly.
They may be suspended for Herpes or Gonnorhea, but I doubt they would ever be expelled.
Unless there is a doctor coming in there testing the girls there is no chance of any sort of tests being worth shit.
I have seen cases of active herpes outbreaks and reported them to the management and then the girls are sent home for a couple of days until it clear up, but that is genital herpes only.
Many clubs claim the girls are tested every 2 weeks, but that is more of an urban legend.
It is possible to pick up Gonnorhea via oral sex, and herpes is pretty easy to pick up, even before the outbreak is visible, but those two problems are relatively easily taken care of.
The rates of HIV in Germany are very low, and with BBBJ and covered sex the chances of transmission are small. The girls that do do drugs are mainly smoking pot and snorting coke, no IV cases that I have seen.
there is always some risk, if you want no risk have sex with your wife. But the risk in an FKK is maneageable.
hey Peter
I agree with you fully. I only meant to get conformation. I was curious how someone got such specific info. I mean I know there are risks but it is not something i would think the clubs would advertive. This week we sent 20 girls out with herpes and 3 with HIV. not exactly a happy ad. I am not worried about the possiablitly of catching something only the idea that someone is sperading untrue rumors in this case both good and bad. I mean it would be nice if the girls where tested but it is hardly belivable. some only come for some days a month and some move around form different clubs. I would recommend FKK to anyone at least to see (ofcourse i hope it woul dbe on a good night like oase sounds right now) Problem is I am afraid all of my friends might bame me for there new addiction :). anyway thanks for the quick reply only reafirms what i thought before.
rd
hi all,
i have three free days in frankfurt just before x-mas..dec/ 16-19..
what would be an ideal tour schedule for the fkk clubs in the area. i would look to put about 600 euros as a budget. no rental car, but very comfortable with s-bahn and commuter trains etc..
ok lets see some opinions. btw will the week before x-mas be dead because the girls will be going home to visit....
speedman
speedman,
the week before christmas will see less girls than usual in every club.
if you´re dependant on public transport, i would recommend fkk-beach and fkk-palace. both clubs are located in the frankfurt city area. oase and world are located about 30/60 km away from frankfurt.
reports and details about fkk-beach can be found in the section "f 35", the former name of the club, fkk-palace has a correctly titled section in this forum.
if you want to visit a club on all three days, nearly one third of your budget will be "lost" for entrance only, so perhaps it´s better to plan just two visits with a "free day" between the visits. frankfurt has more to offer than just fkk-clubs and a rld... ;)
imho palace and beach are more "newbie-friendly" than world and especially oase. separating the wheat from the chaff needs more experience at world/oase.
i´m sorry, but there is no "ideal tour schedule". the best idea is to read the forum-sections of the four clubs in question and then make a decision on your own. all four clubs are different, from very busy to very relaxing. try to find out from the postings, what suits you best.
I will be in Frankfurt on the 17th of December. Where should I go for the highest quality girl and the most fun place? I have been to the Palace and thought that it was outstanding, I have been lurking and wondering whether that will be the "best" place. Any thoughts would be extremely welcome.
Spike, you might try Beach (formerly FKK 35). You can get pretty close to it by tram from the HBF (main train station), tram 16, I think it is, or about 10-12euro taxi each way. Trams quit about midnight or before, though, so you might have to take a taxi back to your hotel in any event.
It's not nearly as big as Palace, and no big sound system coupled with dancing around on a Harley revolving on a stage like you saw at Palace, but quality of girls has been good when I have gone there.
Whitey2
FKK-Palace and FKK-World will celebrate a XXXMas-Party on Dec. 17th.
So, if you like partys, visit one of these clubs. Normally Palace-parties are more fun than World-parties.
If you don´t like crowded places, I would recommend FKK-Beach, too. They serve cocktails on Friday nights, should have a good selection of women at the weekend and most probably the place won´t be too busy because lots of men will visit one of the two parties mentioned above.
Whatever you choose, have fun!
Novize
Appreciate if anyone can give me the name and address of couple hotels near either Beach or Palace. If hotel selection is better near Frankfurt train station that is ok. I will taxi to the clubs. I would do forum search short on time leaving tomorrow for a two night trip. Thanks Frank
I just stayed two nights at the Holiday Inn in Gutleutstrasse (No. 269 I think, but you can Google their website to check address and prices). About EUR 70 per night incl. breakfast. Very practical for Palace, Oase and World if you have a car (v. close to A5 Autobahn). Short taxi ride to Palace, I imagine. Clean American style box, but I wasn't there much....... For Beach, even FKK Dietzenbach, I don't think the Holiday Inn in Sachsenhausen is too far away. Same sort of standard.
Three of the big FKK Clubs in the Frankfurt region - World, Oase, Palace.
Most people have a different favourite FKK Club, sometimes people say one is becoming better than the other. In the recent past, I've investigated these claims and found them to be partially true. Yes, the numbers do fluctuate but I still find World is my favourite.
Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and related to this, people on this board are of all different ages. I am in my 20s, and have met people in their 60s! As a youngster, I prefer my women generally no older than early 20s, while many people do not mind them 25-35. Then there's the fact we all like different shapes and sizes - I like mine slim and nubile. What's my point? I think when people make recommendations in this board about one club becoming better etc, it is useful to consider what that person's preferences are like, and whether they are consistent with your own. For example, when people starting reporting the huge improvement in Oase, I checked it out and was impressed by the numbers increase, but found that most of the women were older than what I like anyway. My conclusion was, and still is, that FKK World is the best if you like your women young. I think the average age of the girls at Oase is higher - this is not to say that there are not young ones there, just on average they are older.
Other issues to consider are of course, convenience by travel, food at the club, and facilities.
For those on a budget I can recommend the Regent on Ottostrasse. It's about 100 meters from the train station on the North side. A very calm street with no noise from the station.
Anyone who's travelled in Europe knows that hotels near the station are normally last choice. But this one is actually really pleasant. Quite businesslike in design, everything is contemporary, spotless white linen etc.
The rate was 42 euro per night for a single room. Not sure if that was a low season rate, as I was staying in August.
Not too expensive, handy to many transport options or walking around, the quality is great.
[QUOTE=NeilSydney]Three of the big FKK Clubs in the Frankfurt region - World, Oase, Palace.
Most people have a different favourite FKK Club, sometimes people say one is becoming better than the other. In the recent past, I've investigated these claims and found them to be partially true. Yes, the numbers do fluctuate but I still find World is my favourite.
[/QUOTE]
I agree with your opinion about the older squad at Oase than in other places
I'm into the youngsters too and I appreciated World for that, even when this FKK was considered a flop, at the beginning
World has the best atmosphere IMHO
sometims looks like more a disco than a club
anyway I liked very much the palace and parksauna in north germany (small club with a really friendly atmosphere) and Atlantis in tha past for the large selection of women
don't know why but Oase is the place where I've been more times (probably due to my beloved Laura from Cuba)
my opinion is that sometimes my preference is based also on my mood...
The wather is lousy, having worked 16 h yesterday I´m too lazy to visit a club, so I started getting together some details about the girls I met in a club in the last months. Perhaps it is of use for other member´s orientation. But please keep in mind that it´s based on very individual experiences and that your personal mileage may vary...
Don´t print this out and show it to the girls!!!
If you find any faults, miss any information or have further questions, don´t hesitate to post your comments. The list will be corrected/enhanced on an ongoing basis.
Here we go:
name: Andrea
hair: black, long, curly
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, B/C-breast
origin: czech
born: 1982
tattoos/piercings: pierced bellybutton
service: full pro. range from GFE to PSE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation
location: FKK-World 1
name: Anita
hair: blond, long
size: ~ 1,60 m
figure: slim, B/C-breast
origin: polish
born: ~ 1982
tattoos/piercings: none
service: passionate GFE
other: pictures available at [url]http://www.starlight-ladies.de/ladies_detail.php?id=10[/url]
location: FKK-Beach
name: Anjelica
hair: black, short
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, siliconized C/D-breast
origin: russian
born: ~ 1973
tattoos/piercings: tattoo on the right side of her back
service: full pro. range from GFE to PSE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation
location: FKK-Palace
name: Cindy
hair: blonde, long
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slender, siliconized C/D-breast
origin: polish
born: ~ 1977
tattoos/piercings: tattoo on the right side of her back
service: full pro. no anal. range from GFE to PSE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation
location: FKK-Palace
name: Diana (aka “Barbié”)
hair: blonde, long
size: ~ 1,80 m
figure: slender, siliconized B/C-breast
origin: lithuanian
born: ~ 1980
tattoos/piercings:
service: full pro. great bbbj-experience
other:
location: FKK-Palace
name: Elisa
hair: long, blond
size: ~ 1,78 m
figure: slim, natural C-breast
origin: romanian
born: ~ 1982
tattoos/piercings: pierced bellybutton
service: relaxed? Depends on client? Not available? Who knows…
other:
location: FKK-World 1
name: Jasmin
hair: blonde, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, curvy, B-breast
origin: romanian
born: ~ 1983
service: playful GFE
other:
location: FKK-World 1
name: Julia
hair: atificially blond, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: german
born: 1978
service: great GFE
other:
location: FKK-World 1
name: Julia
hair: artificially blonde, long
size: ~ 1,60 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: romanian
born: ~ 1982
tattoes/piercings: tattoed back, pierced bellybutton.
service: GFE
other:
location: FKK-World 1
name: Justin
hair: brown, curly, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,75 m
figure: curvy, B-breast
origin: ???
born: ~ 1981
tattoos/piercings: pierced bellybutton
service: GFE
other: pictures available at [url]http://www.starlight-ladies.de/ladies_detail.php?id=11[/url]
Location: FKK-Beach
name: Karina
hair: black, culy, long
size: ~ 1,60 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: romanian
born: ~ 1982
tattoes/piercings: tattoed stomach, right upper arm; pierded nipples and bellybutton
service: mostly a PSE, GFE possible
other: porn actress
location: FKK-World 1
name: Katharina
hair: black, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: czech
born: 1982
tattoes: right schoulder, stomach, rump, right ankle
service: GFE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation
location: FKK-World 1
name: Leona
hair: blond, long
size: 1,58 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: slovakian
born: ~ 1980
tattoos/piercings:
service: full pro. range from GFE to PSE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation
location: FKK-World 1
name: Magda
hair: blond, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: Romanian
born: ~1984
tattoes/piercings: pierced nose and bellybutton
service: playful, nearly a GFE
other:
location: FKK-World 1
name: Marina
hair: blonde, long
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, B/C-breast
origin: lithuanian
born: ~ 1978
tattoos/piercings: tattoo above back
service: full pro. more hardcore than GFE
other:
location: FKK-Palace
name: Michelle
hair: black, long to the hips
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim
origin: german
born: ~ 1977
tattoos/piercings: pierced bellybutton and tongue, tattooed mons veneris
service: full pro. more hardcore than GFE
other: not to be overlooked - and ignored (called "the radio")
location: FKK-Palace
name: Miriam
hair: brown, neck-lenght
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: polish
born: ~ 1982
tattoos/piercings: tattoo on the left (?) ankle.
service: range from GFE to PSE
other:
location: FKK-Palace
name: Miriam
hair: blond, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, A/B-breast
origin: slovakia
born: ~ 1978
tattoos/piercings: tattoo on left ankle, pierced belly-button
service: passionate GFE
other: charming, intelligent, good conversation possible. Pictures available at [url]http://www.starlight-melanie.de[/url]
location: FKK-Beach
name: Nadine ( aka “The Tongue”)
hair: blonde, long to the hips
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slender, siliconized D-breast
origin: lithuanian
born: ~ 1982
tattoos/piercings:
service: full pro. more PSE than GFE
other:
location: FKK-Relax (?)
name: Nathalie
hair: blond, short
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, A-breast
origin: czech
born: ~ 1983
tattoos/piercings: tattooed coccyx
service: passionate GFE
other: pictures available at [url]http://www.starlight-ladies.de/ladies_detail.php?id=3[/url]
location: FKK-Beach
name: Olivia
hair: blond, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,60 m
figure: very slim, B-breast
origin: polish
born: ~1981
service: nice GFE
other:
location: FKK-Oase (?)
name: Sarah
hair: black, long
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, A/B-breast
origin: Macedonia
born: ~ 1982
tattoos/piercings: non
service: PSE
other:
location: FKK-Beach
name: Susi
hair: blonde, long
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, B-breast
origin: hungarian-canadian
born: ~ 1977
service:
other:
location: FKK-Flamingo Island
name: Veronika
hair: artificially blond, long
size: ~ 1,70 m
figure: slim, A-breast
origin: polish
born: ~ 1983
service: playful GFE
other:
location: FKK-Oase (?)
Me and Patata Chips went there on Mid September, sure the best place of the Baviera area, nice plave, nice girls.
Check our report in FKK - Other area
Bye
C.
For the list:
1. Anjelica doesn´t have C/D-breasts, it´s A and 100% natural. A copy-and-paste-failure.
2. The service-description of Elisa is absolute nonsens.
Thanks Novize! Several on your list I know well and there are others who I have to add to the "to do" Liste.
Question: I was many times with Nadine when she was at Atl. and Palace. Yet I never knew of this nickname. Please explain its origin. My curiousity is intellectual.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Nadine has been given this Nick because of the extremely busy use of her tongue while exploring and carressing a client´s body. For a certain time this outstanding action was Nadine´s "unique selling point". In the meantime many other girls perform similar. But Nadine was the first one who got "famous" for this.
I might have guessed. She was also pretty verbal when I was with her so I thought that the Nick could be the result of her Plaudertasche qualities. I am now all the wiser.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Can anyone help? I know that FKKs are often quiet at major holiday times. Does anyone know if Easter tends to be quiet or busy?. Thanks
At Easter it should be business as usual - not too many girls are going on vacation at that time. When it´s already warm outside (but not too hot), the "real FKK-season" starts about that time. And most girls don´t want to miss the season start.
My worst souvenirs of the sixties were Sundays in Norwich and Easter (Gruene Woche) in Schwaben. England did improve a lot but Germany keep with tradition: No shop open for 4 days! FKK may be an exception but I would not bet a flight ticket on that.
Shiatsu,
Easter is still quite a bit in the future, but it can never hurt to plan. I have been to Atlantis on Karfreitag, the Friday before Easter, and it was very nicely stocked with girls. I suspect that other FKKs are the same. Easter is not the kind of family holiday in Germany that Christmas is. Actually, since Karfreitag is a really slow day in almost all other respects, perhaps this explains why Atlantis was hopping. A man's gotta do something.
cheers
euro
I'm planning a trip to Germany. I'm looking for people who are interested visiting the clubs. A group 3 or 4 people would be nice. This will be my 5th trip to Germany. Hopefully a shared expense on the car and gas.
I know where are clubs at least most of them, I'm not fluent in German but I know my way around the area. If you have a particular club that you want to visit let me know and we will try to visit it.
Nothing is finalized yet. But I am planning sometime Febuary or March.
PM me if interested.
Unfortunately my job does not take me to Germany, but Belgium and Holland, so was wondering if you guys know any good FFK clubs close to either borders?
Also wondering if any of the Frankfurt clubs are close to the airport so I could manage a visit if I have a few hours transit time on the airport.
Any and all help appreaciated!
Happy New Year!
Clubs near the dutch border are "Planet Happy Garden" (see own section) and "Goldentime" (see "Other FKK-Clubs").
The club closest to the Frankfurt airport is "FKK-Palace" (see own section).
Hello all,
I'm visiting the Frankfurt area and the wonderful FFK clubs January 5 - 8. If anyone is interested in a meeting one of these days please PM me. I have visited Oase and World once this past summer and will visit both again. I'm also planning to visit Palace this time.
If there is anyone in need of transportation to reach for example World, we can arrange that as well on a day that is good for everyone, I will have a rental car.
I would also like to try a PartyTreff club, is there a good one in Frankfurt? Or is it better to drive to Mettmann or Beverly? I will probably try the PartyTreff on Friday. Does anyone now anything about Susi & Jürgens club close to Frankfurt?
--
HS
Lady's and gentlemen, I'm proud to announce in this forum the opening on january 12th of the first FKK in Holland: Sauna Badda Bing between Breda and Tilburg ! I've got this breaking news on the dutch forum. The concept, facilities, pricing and so on is supposed to be the same as PHG or GT. For all the info regarding opening time, routing and so on [url]www.badda-bing.nl[/url]
I will not be in the area around the opening time. Who will make the first report about BB ?
Owner of FKK Happy to donate part of proceeds to tsunami relief fund, [url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3153869a4560,00.html#121[/url]
The first reports on FKK Badda Bing are in the thread Netherland / Other Areas.
Hello friends,
My friend suggested the next time we go, that out next visit be during the warm weather months so that we could enjoy the full grounds of each FKK for some possible outdoor action as well as the tourism in a warm month. So I'm thinking that either the first week of July would be good, we should be able to catch most of the girls before they go on their summer vacations. Or perhaps sometime in September would be nice, after most of them have come back. Will there be a big difference in the weather? Which time is more likely for us to see the best women that FKK's have to offer? Thank you for your advice.
Wry Cooter
I think the first week in July is better. September can already see cold days.
Women will work in July and September, that shouldn´t be an issue. Perhaps some women will change the club after their vacation, but you should find a nice selection of providers in July as in September.
I´m not Jesus, not even a weatherforecaster, but July should be the better time for your purpose. Especially the late September can see cold days and evenings.
A nice selection of women should be available in both months.
Novize,
Thanks for the advice. I'll shoot for July however airfares can be a bit pricey that month. My general feeling was that August was a bad time to go since most Europeans go on holiday for 4-6 weeks, FKK workers being no exception. These ladies work (or get worked) pretty hard I'm sure they all want some R & R or at least to visit their families.
WC
I have the possibility of a stop over of about six hours in Frankfurt in a couple of weeks time (either a thursday or sunday afternoon). can anyone recommend a suitable club forr an FKK virgin within easy reach of the train station (i.e. not needing a car to get too). With all the openings and closing of clubs it is proving difficult to keep track of which ones are hot (or even open) at the moment.
Your feedback appreciated
The club closest to Frankfurt airport is FKK-Palace, and I can recommend this club at the moment. [url]http://www.fkk-palace.de[/url] Tha club has an own section here.
and how long will it take and what is the best way to get to FKK-Palace from frankfurt airport? rent a car, taxi, train?
I am a newbee in Germany, but are very interested in visiting a FKK house.
I have tried to find some post about the prices at these places, but have not succeded. I have found out that you pay an intrance fee of around 50 Euro, but are there any further costs, or does this fee cover drinks, food, fucking as many girls you like... And how long can you stay?
Thanks in advance
Jonas Fun
the info is on the board. and on the websites of the clubs. entry is varying in the FFM area it is 65 euros then 50 euros per 30min session
some party treffs have 100-150 all you can fuck deals but this is diferent than a FKK it is more like a swingers club and most sessions are multiple partners. 3 or 4 guys or more to a girl. can be fun but not for everyone.
rd
@ Tiger8888:
You´ll find detailled descriptions in the FKK-Palace-section.
@ Jonas Fun:
Here are the prices of the clubs I have visited in the last months:
club: Flamingo Island, Karlsruhe-Ettlingen
entrance: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
drinks: 0 € Non-Alc.; food served from 5 p.m. to 11 p.m.
extras: CIM 50 €
club: FKK-Haus, Fellbach bei Stuttgart
entrance: 50 €
30 min: 55 €
60 min: 110 €
drinks: 0 € non-alc., ~ 3 € beer, ~ 4,50 € wine; food served
extras: CIM 25 €, Anal (if offered) 50 €
club: FKK World, Pohlheim
entrance: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
drinks: 0 € non-alc., 5 beer, 8 € cocktails; food served
extras: CIM 50 €
club: Oase Burgholzhausen
entrance: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
drinks: 0 € Non-Alc.; food served
extras: CIM 50 €
club: Palace, Frankfurt
entrance: 65 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
drinks: 0 € non-alc.; food served at 6 p.m. and 10 p.m.
extras: CIM 50 €;
club: Sauna-World, Görgeshausen
entrance: 50 €
30 min: 50 €
60 min: 100 €
drinks: 0 € non-alc.; food served in the evening
Extras: CIM 50 € COB 25 €
As you can see, my experiences are limited to the Rhein-Main- and Baden-Württenberg-area. The Rhineland-clubs as PHG, Goldentime and Samya are generally cheaper. Including BBBJ you have to calculate 50 €/30 min. there, but only 25 € for each additional hour.
[QUOTE=Novize] but only 25 € for each additional hour.[/QUOTE]Sorry, That´s wrong: You have to calculate 25 € for each additional half-hour!
Hi all,
I tried to locate all FKK on the forum on a German map, but I did not succeed, probably cause I am not German speaking.
Also if anyone can help me, Does admission to FKK open to anyone as long as you pay the fees? or sometimes they can prevent foreigners or other non-european races admission?
Thanks!
#2583
Take a look at this link:
[url]http://www.fkk-villa.de/[/url]
Haven't been there myself but apparently its above average. I'm hoping to go in a couple of weeks.
Peace,
Bunbiter
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I might be heading out there either the week straddling March & April or the 1st full week of April. I don't anticipate it being a big deal but... can somebody expand on how Easter week and the days surrounding it might impact the availability of the girls? I particularly like some of the down home Polish and Lithuanian gals that are also prolly the most religious! haha! I wouldn't wanna show up and have none of them be around.
I also got a new GPS navigation set up to test drive. TomTom Navigator for Pocket PC loaded with a German map. I'm loading up the club addresses to my PDA as we speak. If anybody's interested, I'd be happy to write a review.
I'm never getting lost again, baby!
Some girls will be off duty, but I think the selction will be satisfying. Maybe you´ll have weak days from March 25th to 28th, many male guests will stay at home with their families. So some girls will perhaps not show up in club on these days.
Times are quiet hard for the women at the moment, so I don´t believe that many of them will head off for their homecountries. They have to earn money...
Hi FKK Lover,
I always have problems getting the right address for Oase on the GPS in the cars I hire when in FRA. It is not a problem anymore as I pretty much know my way to there now, but it used to be pain in the ass.
I remember that someone posted (probably couple of years ago) the address you should enter into the gps to get the right direction as the one on their website will not work, but I have not found that posting again. If you have the exact address to enter into the GPS to get to Oase, it would proabably help a lot of guys.
Chivaz
Yeah, I had problems with the rental car GPS in one of my previous visits too. The database on the system would only allow you to select house numbers 1 thru 30 after you've selected Ober-Elenbacher Strasse... and as everybody knows, the house number at Oase is I believe 109. The database on the software on my GPS was the same, only #'s 1 thru 30. But in this case I just pointed the target cursor to the approximate location and moved to the spot where the club is located.
But then again, I don't need it much either 'cos I've also been there so many times. ;)
I dunno how frequently they update the software on the hired cars but you figure they gotta fix it sooner or later, don't they? World is another one that's a pain in the rear 'cos their official address says Grunninger Weg but doesn't have a house number.
All the other clubs on my "to visit" list were fairly easy to input, save the fact that they have many towns with the same name... they put the province of each city in parentheses, but I have no idea which 1 is the right one to select other than through trial an error.
It's kinda fun in a sick sort of way. lol
Hello all,
Well I'm planning a nice two week trip in September to see some FKK's.
I am currently thinking about flying into Amsterdam and enjoying the sights and smells there for a day or two before driving or taking the train down to Germany. I'm wondering if it's legal to bring marijuana over the border into Germany and whether it's allowed to smoke it in the FKK with a girl.
Just curious,
Wry Cooter
bringing drugs over the border is illegal. it will not be punished if you have only a small amount of drugs with you ( 10-15 g of marihuana) for your own use. anyway, the drugs could be confirep001ed.
inside an fkk-club you might get into trouble when smoking marihuana. the police already has an eye on every club and no manager wants to have additional trouble with the police because of "drug-abuse". if you want to smoke a joint in a club, do it outdoor at a quiet place only.
any girl smoking weed risks being thrown out of the club, if caught by the management.
novize
do any of you know of the address of the germn board that shows a like top tem list of the FKK girls.
if you cant post it maybe you can pm me.
thanks
rd
The german Roemerforum ( [url]www.roemerforum.de[/url] ) had held "elections" for a "Miss Roemerforum" back in 2002 and 2003. The discussions after these elections showed, that not even one individual customer agreed to the resulting "Top 10"-list. Everybody had his own Top 10.
As a result of these discussions (and the experience of negative effects on both "winning" and "losing" girls) this election didn´t take place in 2004 anymore.
Novize
thanks for the info. I thought it ws there but i could not find it anymore. Oh well. I liked it not as a guide to say that I would go for a number one always because i have had girls others did not like but a vote like that could show a good idea for a good session at least. Like after all of the good posts for andrea from the CZ here i would definatly give her a try and i bet i will not be as happy as some but i am quite sure i will get a good go.
My problem is with the girls that are clearly bad. I wish i was better with names. i think i posted about here (but it might have been when the forum was down) I took my first trip to OASE when people wrote about all of the girls there that it had maybe even 100 on a weekend night. I thought maybe there is a place better than world(i choose world after becoming a refugee from ATL) I must say that there where lot of nice girls then the first girl i went with was a german girl(she gave a strange vibe an i should have killed it there) she was tall small breasts dark straight medium hair. She was with out a doubt the worst FKK expearance in my life. One of the worset ever in the p4p arena. I mean if I get RLD girl or a eros center girl i expect the worst so If she takes her shirt off i am happy. FKKs are like the one place where I expect the best nd normally get it. She talked until she nearly passed out abotu extras. It was down right embarressing.
Anyway i will be back in germny finally in april and maybe may. I will check out one of the big three sunday april 3 (world is top on my list now) if anyone will be around maybe we can have a chat about changes n the mongering world.
rd
is a good date for clubbing. I´ll be at World at 4 p.m. latest and stay until the club´s closing. I think there´ll be some time for chatting... :)
Novize
I will be the american whereing only a towel. ;)
i will maybe show up earlier and maybe leave earlier like 2 or so i have a long drive back to neidersachen.
anyway maybe i will see you then.
rd
I'll be in Oberhausen (near Dortmund I think) in April and am looking for my first FKK experience. Which one is closest? I'm staying at a hotel near the new shopping centre. If anybody knows of in-room action that would be great also.
Thanks fellow mongerers.
Europe 74,
I find it a bit strange that you are going to Oberhausen, but have not even looked on the map? It is just a stone's throw, so to speak, from Duisburg (not Dortmund!), which is again a mere twenty minute car ride to Krefeld, which puts you in good range to hit one of the so-called "Golden Triangle," that is: either PHG (Oedt), GoldenTime (Brueggen) or even Parksauna (Wilderath). Or continue a bit further south to Dusseldorf or Koln, where there are further possiblities. If I were you I'd hire a car (do some good research for driving directions first!) and drive to any (or all?) of three afore-mentioned clubs that make up the Golden Triangle. My advice is do not waste your time at lesser clubs around Dortmund, which is more distant from Oberhausen and provides fewer options.
No in room options!
But oros is right, plenty of FKK's around that area. Rent a car and then within a 70km circle there are something like 50 clubs. But stick to one of the 3 he mentioned, and after hitting Wildenrath yesterday I would say either Goldentime or Planet Happy Garden to ge the real fkk experience.
Oberhausen is closer to Düsseldorf than Dortmund.
I recently visited Happy Garden in Oedt as well as a few other clubs. One thing I have to say is, where the hell do they find these women to work for so cheap? I paid 50EU and banged Sammi, a German Paris Hilton look alike. I was so impressed with her, that I booked her for 2 hours straight. Where do they find these ladies? I'm wondering, have any of you guys tried to meet these girls outside of the clubs, there was this one Polish girl who gave me her cellular number(mobile in Europe). Are there any kind of risks? Do these girls have Russian mafioso type pimps that I should be wary of?
That is how they find the girls. I have explained the system a number of times.
In PHG:
Girls pay 100€ entrance fee a week, no matter how many days they work. They keep 100% of the money they earn.
Girls like Sammy have about 8 customers a day, but many others manage 3-4 on average. Some girls like longer sessions as it is less total work for them, and it can be more enjoyable, especially if they know the guy.
The cell phone thing can be tricky. I know a couple of girls privately outside of the clubs, but it has been more seeing them about town, and not being uncomfortable about it.
Some girls have pimps (in the many incarnations), many don't. Pimps don't get let on the premises, and if the girls have one i is pretty much their own stupidity.
I have seen a couple of the girls that I know from the clubs out on dates with clients I know from clubs too. I find it weird, because I know they are dating a girl I can fuck for 50€, and I imagine so do at least a cople of other people in the restaurant.
The couple I know well, I am also friends with.
It can be a good way to earn significantly more money than in a regular job, and once you are over your first week working, it is no real big deeal for alot of girls. That is why so many who quit are back in the job once the finances get tricky.
Some of these women are top quality, supermodel material, do they realize how much they can earn in a market like London or New York? I paid about to 200EU for TWO FULL hours with Sammy, a similar escort back in the States would have charged me $600 to $1000 for the same amount time(she probably would told me to cum after 10 minutes anyway). There was another Czech lady in Frankfurt that looked like Mrs. Donald Trump and I only paid 50EU to bone her. Can't wait to come back to Germany.
[QUOTE=Global Playboy]Some of these women are top quality, supermodel material, do they realize how much they can earn in a market like London or New York?[/QUOTE]
Most of them may not realize this, and the few who do also know that it is hard to come to NYC or even London and make a living this way. Let's not forget a big difference: prostitution is legal in Germany!
[QUOTE=Global Playboy]Can't wait to come back to Germany.[/QUOTE]
Yep, everybody who has been to an FKK in Germany feels the same way. I have punted in many places around the world, but I find the experience most pleasurable and the value for the money is best at a German FKK.
Welcome to the addicted
euro
Sex in germany is not cheap. It's just expensive in the states. They do everything to limit the supply and to control the price (monogomy, laws, vice). What you are paying in New York is for glamor and status. In places like the brothels of Nevada, they control the supply as well as the price. They teach the girls to milk the customer. In Germany, the man is king and the club owners keep the prices low to please the men. NO women's rights BS. They just provide a good place for men and women to meet. Consider that a girl in a FKK can sevice 10-15 guys a night and over 3000 customers in a year. She can make 100K-200K tax free! It takes a very small percentage of girls to satisfy the male population. That is why you never see any fights over girls in a club. Males know she will be available in an hour and there are plenty of alternatives. Thus, even if a small percentage of attractive girls works, there will be enough to go around. It's like drugs. The stuff is cheap. The law makes it expensive.
Consider the massive porno and lap dance industry in the US. There is certainly demand for sex if it is available. There will be plenty of attractive girls at reasonable prices. My guess is about 100 dollars which is close to the rate in germany when you factor in the club costs.
I completely disagree about the price of good sex in Germany versus the USA. I used to live in Nevada, and believe it or not, there used to be a brothel similar to the German FKKs outside of Las Vegas, with women parading around in the nude. This club got on the news because it ripped off customers, a guy would walk in and was greeted by a naked women, and then was told he could have sex with her for about $200, it was a scam, the lady would just sit naked next to you for an hour, and you would get two drinks, you couldn't even touch her or you would get kicked out of the club by the bouncers. The place wound up on the news and it was eventually shut down. Prostitution in America is a complete scam, a few German customers asked me about services in the States, and I told them to forget about it because it will nowhere near reach the quality of Germany, the only European quality you get in North America is in Montreal Canada.
Akibono,
Hardly any girls earn nearly that much.
After expenses most girls who work pretty much full time can hope to earn about 50K€, but not all that much more. Some highly motivated girls who really do service that many customers manage more, but it is the exception not the rule.
Peter,
From your perspective and from what you know about the current FKK scene, does the typical FKK girl have a pimp? If so: A) What percentage of girls in FKKs have pimps; and B) How much does the pimp take from the girl's daily intake and should we not factor this in when we consider her potential annual income?
Thnks
Aki, keep smoking the pipe, I am American, and have been a hobbyist for a long time. I used to put up with a lot of shit with American working girls, who would play all sorts of shit. A few years ago, I went to Germany, and was blown away, so much that my standards of service went through the roof. I used to pay around $300 to $500US for a good quality escort in New York, and was lucky if I would get only 15 minutes of service. For the same amount of money in Germany, I would go to a club and fuck between 5 and 10 women(when the exchange rates were better). Even with the Euro as high as it is, I still get a lot of "bang" for my buck(no pun intended).
Women in the States would give you shit service out of the obvious reason that in America, a man who visits a prostitute has a certain stigma, he's considered a dirtbag or a loser, and then combined with the feminist movement, the hooker has a perfect excuse to treat you like dirt. Its the opposite in Europe, Australia, and French speaking Canada, where the girls will treat you with respect as a client.
Most girls as far as earnings are concerned earn nowhere near that amount of money you mention. 100-200K+ is something only a New York or London escort can earn. Most FKK girls will net around $40,000 to $50,000US a year working full time, and they actually do have to pay taxes as prostitution is legal in Germany and they are protected by the German social welfare system. They are modestly compensated compared to similar caliber women in big US cities.
As far as hooking up with women outside the club, what the hell, go ahead. But as far as bringing them back home, if your in the US, you will be putting up with a lot of obvious governmental shit. And just because they were nice in Germany doesn't mean that they won't change in the States(get fat, nasty, or whatever).
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Aki, keep smoking the pipe, I am American, and have been a hobbyist for a long time. I used to put up with a lot of shit with American working girls, who would play all sorts of shit. A few years ago, I went to Germany, and was blown away, so much that my standards of service went through the roof. I used to pay around $300 to $500US for a good quality escort in New York, and was lucky if I would get only 15 minutes of service. For the same amount of money in Germany, I would go to a club and fuck between 5 and 10 women(when the exchange rates were better). Even with the Euro as high as it is, I still get a lot of "bang" for my buck(no pun intended).
I agree with your assessment of the US market. It just supports my point that sex is excessively expensive due to restriction on supply. That is why I am willing to travel for my sex.
Women in the States would give you shit service out of the obvious reason that in America, a man who visits a prostitute has a certain stigma, he's considered a dirtbag or a loser, and then combined with the feminist movement, the hooker has a perfect excuse to treat you like dirt. Its the opposite in Europe, Australia, and French speaking Canada, where the girls will treat you with respect as a client.
You don't get shit service in US because you are a loser. As you stated, even if you are a professional with a high end SP, you still get poor quality for high prices because it is a stigma for the WOMAN to sell herself. Sex is not a dirty word in Europe although it is not something most women will admit doing. Higher number of SP means better quality at lower prices. The FKK is a masterful idea. It is a far jump above the RLD that was the previous standard. Those who have been to the RLD in places like Hamburg will tell you the ripoffs. The FKK gives the customer a huge advantage since bad SP will be known quickly.
Most girls as far as earnings are concerned earn nowhere near that amount of money you mention. 100-200K+ is something only a New York or London escort can earn. Most FKK girls will net around $40,000 to $50,000US a year working full time, and they actually do have to pay taxes as prostitution is legal in Germany and they are protected by the German social welfare system. They are modestly compensated compared to similar caliber women in big US cities.
Most girls don't earn as much because they work off and on. But those who work year round actually earn alot. Since most of the payments is in cash, very little of it is actually taxed.
I noticed the best looking women in Germany almost always tend to be foreigners themselves(Italian, CIS, EE, Turkish, Spanish, South American, etc.). I think its really easy for a guy to hook up with a foreign women in Germany, many of them seem to see Germany as a transitory place, and like to move around a lot.
I have a flight next month that takes me to Frankfurt via Amsterdam. Now, since I've already been to the Palace in the Frankfurt area and would like to check out those highly reviewed FKKs in the golden triangle area (GT, PHG, etc.), isn't Schipol Airport closer by car to the GT FKKs than Frankfurt? If so, how long does it take to go by car from Schipol (sp?) to the golden triangle clubs as opposed to from Frankfurt?
Cheers,
WW
i have twice driven from direct from schipol to phg. i left schipl about 13.00-13.30. i was parking in the club parking lot by 15.30. so it's about two hours if you know the way and drive fairly aggressively. i traveled through utrecht/arnhem/oberhausen, and then south on the a3 through duisburg. i don't know if it is any faster to take the alternative route through venlo. anyway, count on 2 to 2.5 hours with traffic and your driving speeds the two variables.
[QUOTE=Ortos]Peter,
From your perspective and from what you know about the current FKK scene, does the typical FKK girl have a pimp? If so: A) What percentage of girls in FKKs have pimps; and B) How much does the pimp take from the girl's daily intake and should we not factor this in when we consider her potential annual income?
Thnks[/QUOTE]The FKK clubs are highly (well at least reasonably) controlled by the authorities and the pimp business works better with those are illegal in Germany. However there is a number and I would guess the percentage between 25 to 50 %. However in many cases it is more considered to be the friend than the pimp and the guy has one "girl" only, but in return she will cover all expenses and this means it could easily around 80 percent of the income.
Others may have no pimps but relatives are waiting for the transfer of money. And those girls not having a pimp or relatives are big spenders and will not safe much of the income.
Thats what I know about the business.
Stay safe,
Tom
Hi all,
I will be in Frankfurt end of April and wonder if anyone know whether clients can actually stay at FKK clubs as they tend to close early morning.
Can anyone tell me if Oase and World can accomodate clients overnight. At 4am in the morning, you might as well stay till 8-9am if they allow which saves travelling from these remote locations. Help appreciated
From what I've read on the forum in the past, World offers this service for 100€. But I don't know about Oase, I don't think they do.
[QUOTE=Toki Jo]Can anyone tell me if Oase and World can accomodate clients overnight. At 4am in the morning, you might as well stay till 8-9am if they allow which saves travelling from these remote locations. Help appreciated[/QUOTE]I have no personal knowledge, but this is what I gathered from reading the forums in preparation for my recent trip. As for World, you can pay 100E to stay in a room from approximately 5 a.m. through 10 a.m. As for Oase, no, but there is an inexpensive hotel, Pension Wall, very nearby on Benzstrasse. It has a prominent sign that I saw during each of my taxi rides from the Friedrichsdorf train station to the club.
When I traveled to Germany, I noticed that there were people from virtually all over the world living and working there. I noticed many stores and businesses were owned by people who looked like they were foreigners. How difficult is it for an American to open a business or franchise in Germany? From what I have seen it looks like fast food type businesses seem to do well. Germany seems like a pretty cool and open minded society compared to the oppressive puritanical one on the other side of the Atlantic. Would this be difficult since my German language skills are limited?
I will be visiting Frankfurt shortly and am new to the FKK secene. Can someone tell me the procedure?
I gather you undress, but into what?
Do you shower first?
I gather no time limits on stay except with ladies - correct?
Are the ladies dressed or not?
Anything else I should know?
I will be staying in central Frankfurt - what clubs are within a reasonable taxi ride?
I have searched past posts but cannot get the basic information.
Thanks guys
When you go to an FKK club you are given a locker key and a towel and slippers. You take off your street clothes and change walk around the club with a towel. Most FKK clubs the time limit is about 30 minutes, the lady will usually let you know when you are running out of time. At most clubs the ladies are undressed, there are few where the ladies where some lingirie or even some kind of evening attire. Some clubs, the girls will try to get you take some extras. Negotiate before you go into a room. It is normal to get some foreplay in the form of a blowjob in the meeting area, if she puts Mr. Wiggy in her mouth, you are almost obligated to go with her into a room. Whether or not you shower is up to you, but Germans are very blunt, I came to one club a little bit sweaty during the summer, and the girl bluntly asked me to take a shower. Showering is a courtesy to the girl, if you smell good it will make the experience for both of you better. Don't give the cab driver the exact name of the club, just give him the address, I asked a driver in Dusseldorf to take me to Blue Note and all of sudden he became an expert on FKK clubs and insisted that I go to Dolce Vita because in his humble opinion Blue Note was a waste of time while Dolce Vita was a good quality club. (I wasn't impressed with what I saw in Dolce Vita it really went downhill after three years with a very rough Russian mafioso and Arab homeboy crowd).
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]I gather you undress, but into what?[/QUOTE]
Normally you wear a towel. Palace offers a bathrobe for free and World for an additional fee (I don´t know the price, you´d have to ask at the reception).
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]Do you shower first?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do. ;)
It´s a question of politeness and respect. Would you like to DATY on a fishy vagina? I strongly recommend showering on entering the club and after every session.
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]I gather no time limits on stay except with ladies - correct?[/QUOTE]
During the opening hours you may stay at the club as long as you wish to. If you want to leave the club for some time and come back later that day, you can do so without having to pay again, if you tell it to the receptionist on leaving at Palace and World. I never tried this at Oase, but it should work, too.
Many girls will be happy to stay with you the whole day, too. But unless you nefotiated a "flat-rate", she will charge you 50,- € per STARTED 30 min., plus extras.
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]Are the ladies dressed or not?[/QUOTE]
Normally the girls are naked. On "dessous-days" the girls are clothed in lingeries. I think "dessous-day" is tuesdays at World, wednesdays at Palace and thursdays at Oase.
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]Anything else I should know?[/QUOTE]
Some general remarks, quoted from a posting of me in another forum:
Spoken in general terms, the clock starts to run, when the sexual action starts – no matter where this happens. This makes sense, since you can go for the real thing at nearly every place in an FKK-Club (except for the pool, yacuzzi and the dining area).
Nevertheless, there are some “guidelines” that had been developed over the years:
Sitting together on a couch doing small-talk – eventually with some kissing and stroking added – doesn´t count against the clock and causes no obligations for either party.
Receiving a little BJ on the couch at least seals the contract – you have to pay the basic fee at least. But as long as this BJ is just an “appetizer” for the things to come, it still doesn´t count against the clock. This part of the session shouldn´t exceed more than 10 – 15 minutes. Exception: if you finish on the couch, the clock starts to run from the beginning of this BJ on…
Waiting for a room doesn´t count against the clock, no matter what you do. Exception: you finish on the floor…
Once you´ve entered a room, the clock is running – no matter what you do.
The clock stops, when you pay the girl. This might get important if you ask the girl to have a coffee ( a meal, a swim…) with you after the session. For the girl, it is payed time! The background is, that the girl isn´t allowed to leave you (as long as you behave correctly). So she isn´t really free to denie. The better (and cheaper) way is to pay first and then ask for the coffee. At this time she´s free again. If she agrees, the time doesn´t count against you.
[QUOTE=Peter Kin]I will be staying in central Frankfurt - what clubs are within a reasonable taxi ride?[/QUOTE]
Palace only. Oase and World can be reached via combined public transport/taxi ride. Detailled descriptions how to get there can be found in the club-threads. Or you call the club and ask. They will be happy to help you.
One last hint: When you know the exact date of your club visit, post it here. You might find some fellow mongers who are willing to meet you. Talking with fellow mongers and sharing experiences with them is one of the best ways to spend the time between the sessions.
Wherever you go,
have fun,
Novize
Novize
Dessous day at Palace is actually Wednesday.
Everyone who tried to find for the first time the location of a specific FKK on it's own knows what I'm talking about. It's everytime a pain in the ass.
For an unhassling FKK tour, the best advise is to use a GPS. I tried this for the first time on my last FKK Tour. Magical! You can either get an GPS when renting a car (usually only on the higher class cars) or bring your own mobile GPS you can install inside the car.
The advantage of having your own GPS is that before your trip you can enter all the FKK as waypoints. Chek the famous Kaleus Club Index for their exact adresses ([url]www.kaleus-clubindex.de.vu[/url]). I entered all the Kaleu's Club Index in my GPS, including opening times and prices (the waypoints allow free comments). If you plan to go also to Holland, you can also enter the complete list of the Dutch brothels (check my personal Routard Dutch Club Index in the Netherlands section of WSG).
Imagine driving through Germany or Holland and your GPS indicating everytime the closest FKK or brothel around! Just click on your GPS, and he will bring you safely to the selected FKK. I remember that it made me feel very horny when driving on the highway and being surrounded by all these FKKs just a click away from me!
The GPS willl help you also to find the nearest Hotel, as it it not always easy to find one when leaving your favourite FKK at 5am!
If you'r from Northern America, most of GPS types allow to buy and download the additional European maps. For example, if you have the Northern American Version of a Carmin GPS, you can buy the additional European City Select map CD in the US.
I noticed only one problem using the GPS on FKK Tour, it's when going to FKK Oase. Oase is between two places, Obererlenbach and Burgholzhausen. Sometimes his adress is indicated with Obererlenbach (Kaleu's Club Index) and sometimes with Burgholzhausen (on their website). Second problem, their adress, Obererlenbacherstrasse is on a small side way of Burgholshausen Strassen (the road between Bourgholzhausen and Obererlenbach) that doesn't appear on most maps. Third problem, Obererlenbacherstrasse exists twice: in Burgholshausen and in Obererlenbach. You need the one in Burgholzhausen (the one wich is usually not indicated on most GPS maps), so you will probably choose the one in Obererlenbach (which is the wrong one).
Fourth problem, Oase is in the middle of nowhere, you can not enter the adress of something else close.
I know all this is very confusing. Here my best advise, enter the closest adress nearby Oase which is:
23 Burgholzhausen strasse 61352 Obererlenbach
Once arrived, drive a few hundred meters further (you'r on Burgholzhauser Strasse, it's a road out of town between the two towns of Burgholzhausen and Obererlenbach) and you will discover on the left side the only facility around with a clear sign "Oase".
for the info. I will correct my posting stated below.
I am visiting Frankfurt soon, but will not have a car.
What clubs are within reasonable taxi rides from the central station?
Exact locations are hard to find.
Peter Kin,
This question has been answered many times on the board. Fkk-Palace is the closest. Taxi ride will cost you aprox. 10e.
Taxi to Fkk-Oase will cost you somewhere in the 35-50e range
Chivaz
I know the FKK clubs are fantastic compared to most other competition in Europe. But they certainly cater more to locals than tourists.
I know FKK World rents out some rooms from 5 am till 10 am or something , but I wish the clubs all had a few proper hotel rooms connected to them, and maybe a shuttle bus from the Airport.
It would be nice to able to go to your room after evey session, crank up the laptop and post fresh details before the next session while your balls are filling up again !
I stayed in the Ibis Frankfurt West last monday night , it is about a 4 minute walk from palace and I know i could have a got a pass out if I wanted to , but i wasnt bothered with the hassle of getting dressed, having to empty lockers, then come back and do it all again.
[QUOTE]Palace and World offer bathrobes for an additional fee (I don´t know the prices, you´d have to ask at the reception).[/QUOTE]
Bathrobes at Palace are free. No additional charge.
Hessen Bub
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Bathrobes at Palace are free. No additional charge.
Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]
Good news! ;)
Thanks,
Novize
when i recently visited fkk babylon, a few german customers asked me about american clubs, i told them not to waste their time and hard earned money to go to the states because legal brothels don't exist in the states except for parts of nevada where they will milk you of the cash in your wallet. a few of the girls were curious why i would travel so far to go to a club. i guess they don't have a damn clue about the sex trade in america, for one its illegal and completely mafia controlled, second the quality of women who work as prostitutes in the states is skank princess at best. then these fools tell me "how about jennifer aniston or angelina jolie?? they are american, they are beautiful!!" i explained to them that the typical american woman doesn't look anything like those two plastic surgery enhanced actresses. i guess a lot of people worldwide fall for a lot of hollywood's bullshit. its scary. some of the girls i have met in germany, i would jump in front of a speeding train for them.
[quote=cbgbconnisur]when i recently visited fkk babylon, a few german customers asked me about american clubs, i told them not to waste their time and hard earned money to go to the states because legal brothels don't exist in the states except for parts of nevada where they will milk you of the cash in your wallet. a few of the girls were curious why i would travel so far to go to a club. i guess they don't have a damn clue about the sex trade in america, for one its illegal and completely mafia controlled, second the quality of women who work as prostitutes in the states is skank princess at best. then these fools tell me "how about jennifer aniston or angelina jolie?? they are american, they are beautiful!!" i explained to them that the typical american woman doesn't look anything like those two plastic surgery enhanced actresses. i guess a lot of people worldwide fall for a lot of hollywood's bullshit. its scary. some of the girls i have met in germany, i would jump in front of a speeding train for them.[/quote]it's not just the looks. it's the bad attitude. any girls that looks good thinks she is a princess. what europeans don't know is that you have too look like brad pitt and have money to get jennifer aniston. damn religious right!
Can anyone suggest any FKK action in the Tutzing area? I understand that it is near Munich. I will be visiting there later this month
A lot of Europeans are gullible, many of them who have moved to the States find out the hard way about American women. I knew a German who went to Las Vegas, went to a brothel outside the city, and wound up ripped off. He was cursing left and right, he spent nearly a $1000US for some skank which could have given him 20 lays at an FKK(this was when the dollar was stronger) quite a reaction, considering Germans usually don't swear like those of us in the Anglophone world.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]A lot of Europeans are gullible, many of them who have moved to the States find out the hard way about American women. I knew a German who went to Las Vegas, went to a brothel outside the city, and wound up ripped off. He was cursing left and right, he spent nearly a $1000US for some skank which could have given him 20 lays at an FKK(this was when the dollar was stronger) quite a reaction, considering Germans usually don't swear like those of us in the Anglophone world.[/QUOTE]When you are used to a system that is fair, you let your guard down. You just don't expect someone not to live up to their side of the bargain. Just imagine marching a girl up to the madam in the brothel to complain. I can just imagine what a European is thinking when he finds out that as soon as you come the session is over.
[QUOTE=Gadget]Can anyone suggest any FKK action in the Tutzing area? I understand that it is near Munich. I will be visiting there later this month[/QUOTE]
There is the Colosseum at Augsburg, not really close to Tutzing, should be around 1h and 15 minutes. [url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.de[/url]
Hessen Bub
Far and away the best girls in the FKK clubs almost always tend to be Eastern or Southern European. Russian, Czech, Polish, Spanish, Greek, Italian, Turkish, etc. these women are amazing. Its hard to find this selection of women outside of Europe.
Are there any FKK's in the Heidelberg area? I will be visiting and will go.
I'm planning a quick 4 day tour of FKK's starting on the 12th through the 15th and am wondering if there are any definitive maps showing the locations of all the FKK's in Germany. I've been to FKK World and Flamingo Place last summer but couldn't find Oase so I'm not a newbie. I need a planning tool.
I will be coming from Amsterdam, where would you go given my opportunity?
Thanks guys
JQ
[QUOTE=John Quakman]I'm planning a quick 4 day tour of FKK's starting on the 12th through the 15th and am wondering if there are any definitive maps showing the locations of all the FKK's in Germany. I've been to FKK World and Flamingo Place last summer but couldn't find Oase so I'm not a newbie. I need a planning tool.
I will be coming from Amsterdam, where would you go given my opportunity?
Thanks guys
JQ[/QUOTE]This site has info and some maps.
[url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de/kaleu/fkk-en.php[/url]
[QUOTE=Spike 6996]Are there any FKK's in the Heidelberg area? I will be visiting and will go.[/QUOTE]
Best thing is to go to [url]www.the-palace.de[/url] at Frankfurt or to [url]www.fkk-flamingo-island.de[/url] at Karlsruhe.
Hessen Bub
The Euro is pummeling the US dollar into the pavement, one EU will be about US$1.40 by the end of the year. So much for the allmighty dollar, it looks like the Euro is here to stay.
Any FKKs or swinger clubs accessible from Cologne Hbf area via public transport.
All the FKKs seem to need a car to get there!
AP.
mr quackman,
from amsterdam i would head for venlo and check out plantet happy garden, where for 50 euro, you can share a bar and lounge, 17 rooms and some outdoor cabins, and two saunas with from thirty to 50 or so hot european girls wearing underwewar, thongs, negligee etc. a half hour is 50 and each additional half hour is only 25. two hours is 125. beer coffe soda tea are free as is brunch from 10 am, dinner at 6 or 7 and pizza at 10. they close at 1 am. golden time is a very similar club in bruggen that has a kino and a whirlpool and atrium as well as the bar, rooms and outdoor cabins. both have very hot women adn are open 10 am- 1 am.
working your way into germany towards frankfurt, in koln there is samya, same pricing as the nordrhine westfalen clubs and some of the girls who used to work there like the adorable marlene.
in frankfurt- if its raining and you don't want to sclhlep, try palace in the northern edge of the city reachable by u bahn or taxi. if the weather is fine, go to fkk world in pohlheim or oase, i prefer the former for its [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] squad and spacious and gracious accomodations.
beffen 1
[QUOTE=Alfonso]Any FKKs or swinger clubs accessible from Cologne Hbf area via public transport.
All the FKKs seem to need a car to get there!
AP.[/QUOTE]Samya is easily reached by public transportation in Koln.
[QUOTE=Alfonso]Any FKKs or swinger clubs accessible from Cologne Hbf area via public transport.[/QUOTE]
I'm not from Cologne, but take the Strassenbahn 16 from the Cologne Central Station to Rhodenkirchen. Then take a cab to
Samya FKK-Club (0 22 36) 96 96 36
Kirschbaumweg 26A
50996 Köln
Or, if i am not wrong, you could even take the bus for the last part: Bus No. 135 to Kirschbaumweg.
Hessen Bub
I want to experience the FKK scene but unsure as to which city to visit. I hear Frankfurt is best for FKK, but two of the clubs seem far away and either involve expensive taxi rides both ways or a combination of train/tram/bus and taxi. I tend to get lost easily, so this doesn't appeal to me either!
One other thing: I like to see the sights as well! Frankfurt is not the most touristically interesting place, or so people say.
Any major city would do, as you can probably get to a dozen German cities by direct air service from London.
Any ideas welcomed. I have read this forum and another one, but there is a huge amount of info to wade through!
Thanks
Frankfurt isn´t that uninteresting from a touristical perspective.
Take a look at [url]www.frankfurt.de[/url] for a first impression. The information is - at least partially - available in English.
In Frankfurt, the Palace ( [url]www.fkk-palace.de[/url] ) is easy to reach via public transport.
Another idea would be Cologne.
For city/touristical information (also in English) have a look at [url]www.koeln.de[/url] .
Club Samya ( [url]www.samya.de[/url] ) is accessible via public transport.
Have fun,
Novize
Simmer,
I think the Düsseldorf Cologne area has the bset FKK's. Public transit is not a great way to reach clubs, but ones like Planet Happy Garden and Cocoon as well as Samya are all easily accesible.
Cologne is certainly accessible by air and I've been there before (though for other things!). Maybe I'll give that a go.
Thanks!
I believe Pascha also opened up its own FKK club, I'm not too sure about the quality. A good club outside of Koln is Babylon, the quality goes up and down in this club. Usually during the Spring and Summer, they have good quality talent. I believe you can take the S-Bahn S12 in the Direction to Duren to Horrem from the Koln Hbf and then a cab, its one of the top clubs in the Ruhr.
The best club near Cologne is Bernd's which is closer to Bonn, this is one definitely worth visiting, its the oldest club in the Koln-Bonn area. There was a sister club, Sankt Augustine, which closed a few years back. Bernd's is the Mercedes Benz of FKK clubs, it tends to be on the exclusive side and caters primarily to locals, so dress really well if you plan to go there so you don't run the chance of being turned away at the door. You can take the S12 in the direction of Sieg and it will stop in Hennef, you can take a cab from there.
Hey from what I heard/read, Bernd's club in Hennef is more like a VW than a Benz! I would hardly think the word "exclusive" is appropriate. The girls are said to be really enthusiastic in performance, but looks-wise, according to almost all reports, the girls pan out at the 7-range. Look in the Bernd's thread for more specific info, though none of the reports will be very current. Maybe somebody who has actually been there can confirm or deny this.
Visited Bernd's last spring. Ortos is right. Stay away. While this was one of the first of the clubs and once was one of the best, it caters to an older, more local crowd than the FRA area clubs or the NRW area clubs, and the sp are also not on the same quality level as we have gotten used to, unless of course, you're a regular Bernd's client.
As Peter has suggested ( and he is the local on-site maven) Samya, Cocoon and PHG are all accessible in the Cologne area. Beverly is also not far away, if you'd like to try a great swinger's club and particularly recommended for a single guy on Wednesday nights or the weekend.
A few people mentioned that some German clubs discriminate against non-European customers, I didn't think this was an issue at all during the time I was in Germany. In fact, most of the women didn't seem to mind and thought it would be more interesting to try something different. Its more about behavior and composure, if you are properly dressed and well behaved you will have no problem entering the club. One poster mentioned that he found Germans to be more xenophobic than people in New York, I never heard such bullshit, I have seen a lot more racist behavior in the Northeast US than I have in my travels in Germany. Escort agencies in New York are notoriously racist, and like to 'screen' out clients by their telephone number area code(212 and 516's are okay but 718 is not) and whether or not they have a good job. The only behavior that might bother some people is that Germans like to stare but it is usually a benign blank stare, no malice intended. In Europe, I have heard it might be a good thing if someone stares at you, maybe they like you or find you attractive or interesting.
In comment to Isseu and Ortez's warnings regarding Bernd's. Bernd's is not all that easy to get to via public transit, it is even very tough to get to with a car with navigation, as it is in a residential neighbourhood in the middle of nowhere. I don't liove the place, the customers are a little on the very old side (60+ is often well represented) but it still is one of the best clubs out there.
I have taken two americans from another forum there, and it was the highlight of their trips (and they went to all the well known clubs).
It is the place for service, and if you like public couch action it is the place to go too. No other place opffers a similar service level to every customer. CIM is included if the girl offers it. I find the sessions there to be a bit mechanical for my taste, but that is just something personal.
Its not that hard to get to Bernd's in Hennef-Lichetenberg. If you are coming from central Bonn you can take the U-Bahn 66 to Siegberg and then get on the S12 to Sieg and get off at Hennef, from there you can take a cab, it should cost about 8-10EU each way. Personally I thought Bernd's was easier to find than a lot of other clubs especially Happy Garden and Goldentime via public transportation. If you're in Koln, you can take the S12 in the direction of Sieg from the Dom Hbf. The German rail system is absolutely amazing, I wish the New York subways were as reliable.
CBGB,
Thanks for the informative post. I will admit that public transit is not my specialty, as I have a car. But checking out the Bahn.de site should help a lot.
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in about Bernds.
First of all, Bernds is by far my favorite of the various places I have been, but I can see why some might not like it so much. Different people are looking for different things.
I know that many of the bigger clubs have large numbers of extremely beautiful women. I have never had any trouble finding enough beautiful women at Bernds to satisfy me, but I can see where having a huge variety of hot women would be important for some guys. What is most important for me is what Bernds excels at (in my opinion). These are, not necessarily in any order:
Good price: The entrance fee is higher than many places, but I prefer to do 3 sessions, and for that, the price is hard to beat. Especially since many of the girls do CIM for no extra charge.
Great service: Out of the dozen or so times I have been there, I have only had two disappointing sessions. And even they were above average in terms of service compared to most other clubs I have been to. They just weren't up the standards I have come to expect from Bernds.
Relaxing environment: I like the smaller clubs, where there are not so many people. And even though I don't speak much German, I have always felt comfortable and welcome there, not just from the girls and club personnel, but also from the other guests.
So for me, and people with similar interests to mine, I think that Bernds is really a great place.
As to the public transport thing, the past three times I have gone I have used public transport, due to problems with my driver's license which will be resolved in a month or so. I have found that Bernds is actually very convenient for public transport, if you know what to look for.
As mentioned before, Hennef is very easy to get to. Trains go to and from Koln and Bonn very regularly.
From Hennef, there is a bus (number 522) which goes almost directly to the club. The Lichtenburg stop is about 200 meters from the Hotel Reuter, which is itself only about 500 meters from the club. This bus costs 1.70 Euro each way.
Of course, the bus is not a good solution for going back late at night, but this where Bernds is really nice. The Hotel Reuter offers rooms for 35 Euro. What I do is get there at about 5:30, get a room, and head to the club. Then I can sleep there rather than worrying about getting a taxi to the train station and trying to catch a train back home (not to mention another taxi to get to my apartment). The price includes breakfast in the morning, and then you catch the bus back to the station.
I'm not sure how much a taxi from the station to the club costs, but I am betting that you could probably pay for the room for the money you save by using the bus instead of the taxi.
Stimpy
Stimson is right. The hotel Reuter also provides the buffet at Bernd's, which is probably the best food at any club. There are always at least a couple of girls for any taste there.
Speaking of Bernd's whatever happened to its sister club, Saint Augustine? I recall that they closed down and someone said they were to move to another location. But I never heard any further information and a new location never reappeared. I thought it was strange because at the time it was a top tier club and was doing very well. I remember the guys at Cfit, who were the foremost North American experts on German FKKs rated it as the best club in Germany, they run tours of FKK clubs in Germany, so they are a vault of information on the FKK scene.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Speaking of Bernd's whatever happened to its sister club, Saint Augustine? I recall that they closed down and someone said they were to move to another location. But I never heard any further information and a new location never reappeared. I thought it was strange because at the time it was a top tier club and was doing very well. I remember the guys at Cfit, who were the foremost North American experts on German FKKs rated it as the best club in Germany, they run tours of FKK clubs in Germany, so they are a vault of information on the FKK scene.[/QUOTE]
The club just closed. There is no new location. There just wasn't enough business to justify the risk of another club. Before it closed, lots of girls were complaining about how slow business was there. Some of my fondest memories were from that club. There were some real gems. I remember a firl named Mandy that looked like Pam Anderson with more curves. It was a different experience because the girls got to know the customers and because most were local and regulars. There were few foreigners (both girls and clients). Most girls had other jobs so there were not regulars. They either wanted to make a few bucks on their day off or were into the sex. This is a really different experience than the big FKKs where the girls work long hours for many days and try to make a ton of money.
And on a funny note. The location where St. Augustine was is now a Kindergarten.
I notice that there are no recent reports on this FKK.
Is it worth trying these days?
Pete
On another funny note, I thought that in Germany, women seem to actively look for guys to have sex with, I swear I was waiting at the Bonn Hbf and a several women in their 20's were making passes at me, two particularly good looking blonde twins were going in a direction opposite of mine were making direct eye contact with me and turning their heads to continue their eye contact, they were both smiling(I recall that 70 percent of human communication is non-verbal), I approached a couple of them but couldn't really communicate with them much because I didn't speak much German and they didn't speak much English. I did remember one morning, I walked into a Sparkasse to exchange money and a blonde bank employee I ran into the other day was running to the front when she saw me. I also walked around the city center pretended I was lost and asked any beautiful woman that walked by me for directions, every girl I ran into smiled at me, or is this just the way European females deal with every man?
quote: "or is this just the way European females deal with every man"
No, it is pretty much how the human race acts all over the world. People are generally nice and most like human contact. Being a European (although not a woman), I smile to both woman and men when asked for direction, try to be nice, get some info of their background, where they come from etc. I am not neccessarily hitting on them, especially not the men. I just like to have human interaction with strangers every now and then.
I experience the same in US from Americans (and actually even more so). I have also had the exact same reaction from people from the middle east. This is not an European thing, and not everyone that smiles and is nice to you is hitting on you, they are just being nice, like human contact and god forbids, are just plain interested.
Yes, even in New York, most people are nice. Enjoy it, but don't mistake all human interest for sexually interest, even for the irresistible guy you are ;-)
Have fun and enjoy while you can,
Chivaz
Does anyone have any information regarding using an American cell phone in Europe? I noticed that several sevice providers have phone that are "international". Which plan is the best and what is the cheapest way to pay for service? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Chivaz]quote: "or is this just the way European females deal with every man"
No, it is pretty much how the human race acts all over the world. People are generally nice and most like human contact. Being a European (although not a woman), I smile to both woman and men when asked for direction, try to be nice, get some info of their background, where they come from etc. I am not neccessarily hitting on them, especially not the men. I just like to have human interaction with strangers every now and then.
I experience the same in US from Americans (and actually even more so). I have also had the exact same reaction from people from the middle east. This is not an European thing, and not everyone that smiles and is nice to you is hitting on you, they are just being nice, like human contact and god forbids, are just plain interested.
Yes, even in New York, most people are nice. Enjoy it, but don't mistake all human interest for sexually interest, even for the irresistible guy you are ;-)
Have fun and enjoy while you can,
Chivaz[/QUOTE]
Europeans in general are far more friendly than Americans. They live a much more diverse society with people from many cultures and languages. Plus, they feel far more secure in the socialistic society. Americans are far more distrustful of strangers. If more Americans visited foreign countries, we would be less arrogant and think that our system is the best in the world.
Hi Guys!
I'm going to be in Munich for a Monday night.
I've been to Frankfurt and love the Sudfass Oase. Somebody told me that there is a Sudfass in Munchen also.
I've tried the search and don't seem to be turning up anything.
Also, I understand Munich is not nearly as good as other parts in Germany for FKK Clubs, but there has to be somewhere decent in Munich.
Any help woud be appreciated and I'll report back!
The Oase in Bad Homburg (near Frankfurt) does not have the name "Sudfass" attached to it. There is a Sudfass in Munich but I would not expect Frankfurt or NRW FKK standards there. If I were you, then I would check out FKK Colosseum in Augsburg, which is a fairly short train ride from Munich. Check out Toscana's
"A Centurion's Lair" report in the "Other FKK Clubs" section. There are a few top girls who hold sway at this club and the service here should surpass anything that you may find in Munich.
Cheers,
Dedalus
Lot's of things to answer
Peter Kin : It was renamed FKK beach, not even sure if it is still open under that name. I think I heard it changed managment again.
Akibono : You need a multi-band phone, because in america you use 1900 band and in Europe it is 900 and 1800. Most new phones have these 3 bands.
Then your US service provider will most likely have a roaming partner in Germany. It will be expensive for you to call home, and it might be a little pricey for you to receive a phone call. Chances are calls within Germany are going to be a similar price to what germans pay for local calls.
If you plan on receiving a lot of calls buy a german SIM card, but long distance will be expensive that way too.
And Akibono your views on Europeans are so full of crap. Europe is far less multicultural than most parts of america, and assimilation is not really a strong point. Germany still refer to everything other than german as "foreigners", even if they were born in germany and their parents have lived there for 30 years.
Europeans are not more open, there are people of both types all over the place.
Rubmeister & Dedalus : The Oase Sudfass is in the city of Frankfurt. It is on the Hanauer Landstrasse pretty near to downtown. It is more of a Night Club than a FKK. The service is decent, but the prices are really expensive. If you lied this atmosphere you might do well in Munich. but the Sudfass in Munich has nothing to do with the one in frankfurt. If you are looking for a similar night club setting to Sudfass Oase then you should find plenty of places which will sell you way too expensive drinks.
Colloseum Augsburg does get a lot of good reviews, you might want to check it out. But Bavaria is not known for either good service or good value.
Hope that answers most of the open questions.
[QUOTE=Peter]
Rubmeister & Dedalus : The Oase Sudfass is in the city of Frankfurt. It is on the Hanauer Landstrasse pretty near to downtown. It is more of a Night Club than a FKK. The service is decent, but the prices are really expensive.
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Oh, that Sudfass. I did not even consider that one. True, I guess that is an option.
Melanie does not run FKK Beach anymore. Word is that when the club began to run smoothly, the former owners got back into the picture. Not sure I would pay it a visit now. The name is still FKK Beach.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I don't know about the multicultural thing in Europe(there is a lot of racial diversity in the larger cities of the UK, the Netherlands, and France, but most of Europe is not multicultural or accepting out of outsiders, Sweden might be an exception, and even then there are limits, Black people are treated well in the UK, Netherlands, and France but the Arabs and Asians are severely discriminated against in these countries), that's more common and accepted in the USA(Canada and Australia too) but I did think attractive European women were a lot friendlier than attractive American women. There is a lot less crime in Europe than in the States and I come from a big city, so people are in a rush and suspicious of total strangers. I observed that French Canadian and Australian women were similar to European women in their approachability, both countries are also socialist "paradises" like Western Europe with little crime and poverty. Anyway the forum topic on American women, which I have personally contributed, is full of posts of mine and other men's negative experiences with American women or foreign women that live in the USA. There must be a reason why the cost of good sex in an FKK is only 50 Euros in a country where things like cars and restaurant meals are far more expensive than in the US.
And Akibono your views on Europeans are so full of crap. Europe is far less multicultural than most parts of america, and assimilation is not really a strong point. Germany still refer to everything other than german as "foreigners", even if they were born in germany and their parents have lived there for 30 years.
Europeans are not more open, there are people of both types all over the place.
I have traveled extensively in both countries and disagree. How many Americans know a foreign language or geography? Most American think they are top dog and cheer the flag. Germans have a lot of pride in their country, but all counties do. Still, they respect other cultures more. Would the equivalent of an EU be possible in America? Look at the way we treat blacks, asians, and hispanic in this country. We talk about the land of the free, but do we act that way? In US brothels it is not unusual for girls to refuse to provide service to blacks and non-whites, this would be very unusual in Europe. BTW the same type of discrimination occurs in many asian countries like Korea and Japan.
Akibono,
I think it is very hard to generalize about Europe, much harder than it is to generalise about US, and that is still hard.
Go to Italy if you want to find some racism, go to an Italian soccer game in Rome if you want to see some real ugly racism. Want to see some really bad stuff, try Serbia, yes, all part of Europe.
Don't think European Gypsies would agree with your assesment that their culture is appreciated. We can find many more examples. Try to immigrate to Switzerland...
Europe although mulitcultural as a whole is not a single nation like US. EU is a framework for regulation, standards, free trade and employment, not a symbol of united nation. We can compare US to Germany, US to Italy etc., but comparing US to Europe in this way is comparing apples and oranges.
and btw: I am European who has worked and lived in different places in Europes as well as few years in US as well as other parts of the world.
And now back to the sex ;-)
Chivaz
Aki, you must be refering to Western Europe, Eastern Europe is a different place, and its mostly the northern European countries that are more liberal and tolerant. There is plenty of racism in Eastern and Southern Europe. Italy and Greece are quite racist, I think Spain is the lone exception to the rule since more people immigrate there than any European country, there are a lot of South Americans there. However, if you go to Eastern Europe, expect to get dirty looks if you don't look like a local. Countries like the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Benelux, Switzerland(mostly French parts), and Spain tend to be very liberal.
I did find that attractive women in Germany were very approachable compared to those in New York or other big US cities, the NRW is very urban and kind of European version of New York with a lot of people, yet in many instances women would talk to me in the kind of situations that they would not in New York.
Aki,
I am an american who has lived in Germany for a hell of a long time. German integration of minorities is not exemplary. They have tried all sorts of things to stop Turks from getting a german passport, even the ones born here. When the pressure got too much they came up with a final method to try and make them think twice about it. They have forbidden double citizenship, hoping the turks will choose to keep the turkish rather than give it up to take the german. If you are born in Germany you have to make your choice by age 23.
There is currently no member of parliament (among over 500) of turkish decent. The Greens used to have one. There are also no turkish heads of companies. By the way there are over 2.5 million Turks in Germany (That is about 3.2% of the population). They make up less than 0.3% of all university students.
The integration of women and minorities in the economy has been done much better in the US.
I can name you at least 6 clubs that will not grant minorities entrance into clubs. I have been asked by some clubs to not bring my Indian friends by as the girls complain about it.
The openly racist party recently got over 9% of the vote in Saxony.
And the soccer games he is talking about involve monkey noises, swastikas and throwing bananas on the field. Please tell me the sport where this happens in America.
The multiple language thing is a misnomer as well. Most people can speak a passable english, but definitely not good enough to pass a TOEFL test. The only place where this is not true is Sweden and Holland, where they really do speak other languages like english well.
Most germans I know are not fluent in anything other than German, maybe 200 words of english and 100 words of spanish which they use on vacation.
If you think of how many americans can speak spanish, it probably is the same.
The geography thing is not what it used to be either. The germans have performed horribly in the last few years in the PISA test of schools throughout the world. The univerisities are sadly a shambles too.
Maybe compared to a couple of rednecks in one of the Red States the europeans might look like a complete contrast, but compared to well educated people on the coasts they really are not more impressive.
I had a senior manager at my company recently react to the current anti-discrimination laws which MIGHT be passed next year with, "Imagine you had a woman as a boss, I mean a really stuck up b.i.t.c.h. This guy earns over 250,000€ a year and if he can speak 10 words of English i would be surprised. He is also the grand old age of 44, so it is not like they didn't have it in the school system.
There are intollerant and stupid people everywhere, but I think there are probably more in Europe than in the US, at least in my experience.
The EU hopes to one day work nearly as efficiently as the federal government of the US.
Now where is the talk of pay sex?
The last question about sex was on Sudfass in Frankfurt and Munich. I have been to both. With reservations I recommend the Sudfass in Frankfurt (but have to say that I have not been there in 4 years). Typically, there are 10-20 girls around, all topless, all wearing some kind of underwear. No free drinks (you have to buy softdrinks at a machine). No kissing. No couch action. Once you have been to an FKK, Sudfass will quickly fade from memory. But still, it is downtown Frankfurt and easy to get to for a quickly. And it is OK if you are just starting in your mongering career. It's almost like an FKK, but not quite. So go to Palace or Oase and get more bang for your buck.
Sudfass in Munich is not nearly as nice. The girls in there are fully dressed. Everybody sits around the bar and drinks very expensive drinks. Sessions are extremely expensive. No entrance fee; this really is a nightclub, with perhaps the occasional sex. I have seen some very nice ladies in there, but you have to be able to part with 600 euros for an evening with 2 sessions.
euro
Hey Peter,
"The integration of women and minorities in the economy has been done much better in the US."
Is this really so? I have not seen any stats on this of late but I am not so sure that it is as bad as you make it. Compared to you I live in a small city in Germany. Still it is the German equivalent to a "County Seat" and there is a good sized population here with a significant population of foreigner. The Auslaender population pumps quite a bit of money into the economy both through taxes and commerce. As far as women in the workplace goes, that can be deceptive when you consider the cultural and social differences between the US and Germany. It has been my observation that Germans take "family values" (the need to get married and have children) much more seriously than Americans. Therefore per capita there may be more "stay at home" moms than in the US. Also things like Kindergeld and other social program make it a bit easier for wives and moms to not work if they choose to. For the single or career minded German woman, can we really say that there are more barriers and glass ceilings than in the US? It certainly seems that every week in the "Spiegel", "Focus" or "Die Zeit" there are one or more portrait of a female German CEO. The monthly Deutsche Bahn Magazine that you see in any ICE had a number of women execs on the cover this year and last. I cannot comment on the numbers, but the image in the German press seems to be encouraging. Again, I have no statistics to back any of this up. These are just my observations.
"And the soccer games he is talking about involve monkey noises, swastikas and throwing bananas on the field. Please tell me the sport where this happens in America."
A New York Mets or Cincinnati Reds baseball game. Or the "Bum-fights" that seem to be pretty popular with those yahoos from the red states.
"The multiple language thing is a misnomer as well. Most people can speak a passable english, but definitely not good enough to pass a TOEFL test. The only place where this is not true is Sweden and Holland, where they really do speak other languages like english well."
True, German linguistic prowess may be a tad over-rated, especially compared to the Scandinavians, the Dutch and the Swiss. Still I am not sure that we can fairly compare the average German's multi-language abilities with the average American's. Again, this may be due to cultural differences and priorities, but in a German Gymnasium, Realschule, or even a Hauptschule you will not finish without having studied a Fremdsprache. In the US this is not compulsory in many places. Also, I use to live in two US states where the Latin population was more than significant and I did not see a preponderance of gringos who could get their tongues around the Spanish language.
"Most germans I know are not fluent in anything other than German, maybe 200 words of english and 100 words of spanish which they use on vacation."
Again, that may not be much, but it body-slams what most America tourists that I meet are capable of. How much translating do you have to do when hanging out with other Yanks at FKKs?
"The geography thing is not what it used to be either. The germans have performed horribly in the last few years in the PISA test of schools throughout the world. The univerisities are sadly a shambles too."
Can't argue with that one. This has been a pretty huge issue in the press for some years now. It will be interesting to see what, if any changes are made to improve the situation.
"Maybe compared to a couple of rednecks in one of the Red States the europeans might look like a complete contrast, but compared to well educated people on the coasts they really are not more impressive."
Also true, and you have probably met as many Deutscher rednecks as I have. Bright, intelligent people abound in both countries, just as do the yahoos and flatheads.
All the best,
Dedalus
"I can name you at least 6 clubs that will not grant minorities entrance into clubs. I have been asked by some clubs to not bring my Indian friends by as the girls complain about it."
Which clubs don't allow foriegners in? I doubt its Bernd's, I remember seeing the guys from CFIT over there, and there were Asian and Black guys with them.
"Europeans in general are far more friendly than Americans."
Aki, if you are psychic, please tell this to my dead girlfriend, half Turkish and half German, she died in a car wreck. The reason she was attracted to me because I was the kind hearted American guy that didn't care about her ethnic makeup, and saw her simply as a gorgeous, kind hearted, woman. We connected and met outside the club because she felt that I was kinder and gentler to her than most local men, and it was something new for her. So what you say isn't neccesarily true, I'm from New York, there are a lot of nasty characters where I am from, I just don't happen to be one of them. There's a Clark Kent for every Lex Luthor.
"Europeans in general are far more friendly than Americans."
Aki, if you are psychic, please tell this to my dead girlfriend, half Turkish and half German, she died in a car wreck. The reason she was attracted to me because I was the kind hearted American guy that didn't care about her ethnic makeup, and saw her simply as a gorgeous, kind hearted, woman. We connected and met outside the club because she felt that I was kinder and gentler to her than most local men, and it was something new for her. So what you say isn't neccesarily true, I'm from New York, there are a lot of nasty characters where I am from, I just don't happen to be one of them. There's a Clark Kent for every Lex Luthor.[/QUOTE]
Since I have not visited the smaller cities in Europe or the US, I can not say conclusively that Americans are less friendly. But I can say my experience suggest so. I have met strangers and have been invited to their homes. How often does that happen in the US? I also know others who have been invited to many of the local events in small towns. I think in general, people of all countries like to escape the confinements of their local biases. There is always a curiosity with good looking foreigners. Plus, we are usually on our best behavior. You use your experience to put down Europeans. I would view the behavior of your girlfriend as as example of friendly Europeans. I have encountered many women who are quite friendly and have given me phone numbers. This has never happens in the US despite the fact that I treat the women with the same level of respect.
REgarding the comments made about Australia, I find most to be false. This country is one of the most racists around. I based this from friends who have actually visited and reports by experts. For years, they have prohibited Asian immigration. Even immigrants have mainly been from England and Ireland until recently.
I actually live in Australia currently, and it is not racist at all, the Asian population is sizeable here, and it is not uncommon to see them. Most of the Asians where I live are well to do, live in nice homes, and drive nice cars(a 20 year old Asian kid nearly skinned me with his brand new BMW). If you compare Asian Australians to Turks or other ethnics in Germany, the Asians in Australia are much better off and live a better quality of life.
Akibono, an African American friend of mine who visited Tokyo had some rather unpleasant experiences getting into brothels in Tokyo. He's visited several German clubs with no problems, but was flat out denied in Tokyo.
Aki, if you compare the general population of a large German city(Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, etc.) the people in those cities are probably more open than people in New York or another super size US city(Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, etc.). That was one thing that I noticed was that people behave a lot differently in many different situations and keep their head cool. There are pricks galore in New York City, I have to admit that, that's why I left and moved 9000 miles away. You might be right that Australians are ignorant and often dumb, when I told people I moved to Oz from New York people would look at me and say "Why would you move here? Will all the action and things to do in New York? Are you crazy??" All that action and activity in New York costs money, a lot of it, and life in the NY is a big headache, and can be quite stressful. Most Germans are generally wiser and more intelligent than your average Australian and know what a hellhole NY can be.
This has actuaslly been an interesting non sex discussion here.
I think we can all agree that people in Europe and America have ample examples of highly educated and friendly people, as well as morons.
About the clubs that do not allow foreigners in (Not sure how it applies to Asians, maybe they are an exception, but Turkish, Black, or East Indians definitely will have trouble being let in) there are quite a few. When the clubs advertise "Unter Deutsche Leitung" that means they have a discriminatory policy.
check out [url]http://www.fkk-200nackedeis.de/index2.html[/url] and see which clubs say that. They also have some clubs intended specifically for the minorities. I also know that the Cocoon, Tropicana Ali Baba people sometimes turn Turks away (when it is busy) and send themt o Ali Baba which was intended for them. There are girls who like going with turkish guests. There are a lot of girls who don't for various reasons. A lot of girls only want to work at clubs that have a discriminatroy door policy. If the club doesn't they still won't go to the room with every nationality.
Hate to hijack the thread but I can't seem to find any other way to share with my fellow hobbyist' s my impressions two weeks shy of the one year anniversary of my first visit to World.
That visit coupled with Oase, Palace, and Golden Time has made life enjoyable here. I have had some bad experiences but have the safety net of semi annual returns to Thailand on FFM from Frankfurt.
Here is what I have learned in life and though it may be trite the expression "you rent exotic cars. planes, boats and woman" still applies. PFP provides me with what I want out of a woman, without all the fake crap that relationships require or more importantly the lack of variety, not to mention cost, of marriage.
At a FKK club if the girl was OK out in the main room but turns out to be a dud in the Zimmer that is the luck of the draw. And it only cost you 50 Euros to find out
FKK clubs are hit and miss. I have read about it, experienced it, and learned from it. On any given night even the best club can be a disaster since you cannot control the variables that lend themselves to a great or bad night at any club. Some nights when clubs are busy they can be better than a slow night with all the choices you want. And vice versa.
Sometimes the girls are in a lousy mood because of not enough business and other times they are lousy because business is so good they can just churn and make more money.
Also the trinity here in Frankfurt constantly fluctuates on which is the best club at any given moment. Palace can be hot and World can be on a temporary down swing, while Oase can be mediocre, or loaded with talent. Add the day of the week and time of the day into the equation and it's a wonder that there are not more bad nights.
I will admit that I have it better than most since I live in FKK land and have a car. The only limits that I have on my visits are purely financial and occasionally the job. So unlike my fellow mongers that come here to hit Oase, World, and Palace to make the most of their time I don't have those restraints.
Thank goodness I don't. Because I have finally learned the secret to enjoying the FKK clubs,at least for me, is not to push my luck. Every time that I have pushed picking the girl just because I had to get in as many sessions as possible to make up for my 65 Euro entrance fee I have lost. So now I quit when I am ahead.
If I have a great session with a girl, who fits my physical and sexual preferences, makes me feel that she is enjoying the session, and gives me a GFE. I have gotten my moneys worth and why gamble 50 Euros more and end the night with a lousy session that inevitably diminishes the good session.
Add to the fact that I am 57 years old and I just can't recover quick enough to keep going it's obvious to me that the cut and run approach appears to be the best for me.
I still prefer the Thailand scene better because GFE is almost guaranteed because of the way you pick which girl you want. And unless you're on a raging drunk you should be able to establish some rapport first. The sex may not be the greatest but you at least rented a companion for the night. And when you do luck into a one that is great in the sack you just "lease" her for your vacation.
I think that my next year of FKK clubs will be more positive and successful since I think I now know how to enjoy them for myself and how to keep from being disappointed. Especially, now that I realize for me, that ala carte is better than the buffet.
LSM
Thank you Peter and Dadelus for your responses.
Yes the Oase Sudfass near downtown Frankfurt is the one I am talking about. Many years ago there was another Sudfass but the owner was shot or something.
Anyways, I will arrive in Munich Sunday afternoon and leave Ttuesday afternoon.
I can have a car at my disposal or can take the train.
Is there any suggestions for a nice place in or near Munich that I can take a sauna and find good quality girl in FKK-type situation. I will drive to the place you spoke of in your post but any other ideas are most welcome.
Thank you
Peter,
Thanks for that link. Am I write that it is basically a map showing the location of the dozen or so so-called "Red Carpet" FKK clubs in Germany?
Langsuan Man,
An interesting essay to be sure. You certainly make a good point when you observe that many of us non-DE residents do fly into Germany for the specific purpose of pursuing our hobby. Some guys come in and fkk their brains out for three days or so, then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off and comje back and do it all over again a month or two later. Others (like myself) tend to come for longer streches than 3 days so that we can pace ourselves a bit more and "sip" the wine rather than guzzle it. My ideal visit duration right now tends to be 6 or 7 days.
Although I am not 57, I do sometimes need some time to recover between sessions, esp. towards the end of 5-6 days solid fkking. That is where the "leave and re-enter" policy works to my great advantage. I often start the day at, say, Oase at 15.00-17.00. I have an hour session or two, then get dressed, collect my belongings, turn in the key and get my re-entry pass. I leave around 20.30-21.00, then go do something for a few hours and return around mid-night for late-night/early AM action, often very well re-charged for another rouch or two. Eating the right (light, energy-filled) foods and drinking lots of water helps me recover nicely. Avoiding alcohol (til after the fkk day is finished) and taking a smoke of good week/hash often help me too...
But you are quite correct: Experience in this hobby pays great benefits. Once you learn how to "read" girls and have experience with enough girls, you can increase your chances of having positive successfull sessions vs being burned. But even the most experienced amongst will occassionaly guess wrong or mis-read or just throw caution to the wind and go with a girl without proper testing on the couch or whatever and end up with a dud session. Such was the case with me exactly one week ago, when, at Oase I had amassed a series of five or six back-to-back great GFEish successfull sessions, only to run into a real dud near the end by going to the room with a good looking yet horrible-performing bleached blonde Donna. Though some have told me there are great reports about this girl (which is why I decided to throw caution to the wind), I would strongly suggest avoiding this one...
C'est la FKK...
Ortos
Ortos,
yes, that is the RCC homepage, you can click on the links and get to each clubs home page. about 4 of them are for germans only (Aplerbeck, F39, etc.) and there are other clubs like Salome and Iserlohn which are for a multicultural customer base.
I also know that tropicana and Cocoon have discriminatory policies, except when there is absolutely nothing going on. They built Ali Baba specifically for the Turkish customers.
Wildenrath used to be a lot more selective at the door, but nowadays clubs can't afford to be so picky as there just aren't as many customers to go around.
Langsuan,
Great essay!
I know for a FACT, that all the Frankfurt area clubs will admit anyone regardless of the racial background. Some clubs in the Ruhr are a bit more selective. There are times when Bernd's wouldn't admit certain clients. Most clubs don't have a problem with foreigners, in fact a lot of girls like certain guys, especially black guys. There's actually a partytreff club, Kasteel Waterloo, in Holland but has a lot of German guests, brings in black guys for the women.
I know about Aplebecker and a few other clubs. Most premium clubs don't have this practice. I'm not sure about Wildenrath. The CFIT people usually have a lot of Asian and Black customers and have taken them to Bernd's, Babylon, Wildenrath, Happy Garden, and haven't run into any issues.
As for the race issue overall, I think East Asians would have the least difficulty of all racial minorities in gaining admittance. Its more an issue of their behavior, most East Asians tend to be cosmopolitan in their appearance and, behavior, and demeanor. Arabs tend to be aggressive, there are many in Germany, and a lot of the rough characters and gangs seen around the train stations late at night in Germany, are Arabs. Turks and Indians have the bad luck of having a similar appearance to Arabs, and unluckily get singled out.
I am new to FKK scene and used it only 2-3 times. I need some help regarding viruses/ infections from you all experts.
Is it safe to have BBBJ? Does it transmit any kind of infections to us. Girls perform BBBJ to 10-15 guys on any given day one after another. So are we at any kind of risk.
During my last visit I was talking to a Romanian girl, she told me that she just came from Romania 2 days back. So do they do medical tests?
Your answers will be appreciated.
Thanks
Yes, there is a risk of getting an infection by receiving a bbbj. You can think of any STD you want. But the risk isn´t big.
In the big clubs, the girls get tested regularly. I´m not sure about the value of these tests, because the girls could bribe the doctor if their tests shows some STD.
In fact I know about one doctor who was open to bribing - he got fired when the club-management recognized that.
Personally, I never got infected with any STD in about 1.000 sessions over the last (nearly) three years. But it might happen next time.
It´s safer to eat an apple instead.
Have fun,
Novize
P.S.: There is a thread for discussions about SafeSex and STDs.
Look here: [url]http://www.*************.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=268[/url]
You can get Gonnorhea or Chlamydia from BBBJ. I picked up Gonnorhea in a club once. But it is pretty easily recognized,a dn 5 days of Cipro did the trick on that.
As Novize said, no risk no fun.
It can happen, I also have to admit I have seen a couple of girls around with visible herpes outbreaks and then I have actually broken off the session once. But via a BBBJ you can't really pick up anything which cannot be treated with antibiotics.
1000 sessions, eh? Well, on turnover upwards of EUR 70.000 and with the clubs and providers scrupulously honest in declaring income :rolleyes: I am astonished that Germany's tax receipts are falling away so much. :)
[QUOTE=Toscana]1000 sessions, eh? Well, on turnover upwards of EUR 70.000 and with the clubs and providers scrupulously honest in declaring income :rolleyes: I am astonished that Germany's tax receipts are falling away so much. :)[/QUOTE]
Three years mongering, between 1 and 4 visits a week (average ~2) , average 3 sessions results in lots of spent money during about 1000 sessions.
But I have to admit that I calmed down after the first 2 years...
The problem for the German tax office is that they don´t allow tax declarations being made in Eastern European languages. So the girls just can´t fill the forms... :D
Have fun,
Novize
Fred,
In a word, never! If a working girl has offered to you, then she has offered it to someone else. Why be stupid?
Cheers,
Dedalus
Hi there, fellow mongers...
I'll be giving this club another try on the 19th as it seems not much has changed and I had a great time here last time. If anyone wants to join in (since it's a lot more fun that way), pm me and we can plan a get-together. Tony, have you alreday been or are you still planning to go? Peter, i would be honored to meet one of the most knowledgable members of this board...
If it rocks like it did last time I might be back Friday, otherwise I might look for alternate hunting grounds...
Hi SX Lover,
As you are inquiring about the risk of bbbj, and as there is a lot of misinformation floating around about the dangers of oral sex and HIV, let me give you some good factual data on the issue. The following is a result of my research on the issue as I was a bit concerned as well when I started my FKKing. Most of the text is not mine, but taken from pretty reliable sources. I originally posted this on another board, and I may have posted some of this info on this board as well, so please bear with me:
First of all:
The risk of HIV transmission from an infected partner through oral sex is much smaller than the risk of HIV transmission from anal or vaginal sex. Because of this, measuring the exact risk of HIV transmission as a result of oral sex is very difficult. In addition, since most sexually active individuals practice oral sex in addition to other forms of sex, such as vaginal and/or anal sex, when transmission occurs, it is difficult to determine whether or not it occurred as a result of oral sex or other more risky sexual activities. Finally, several co-factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission through oral sex, including: oral ulcers, bleeding gums, genital sores, and the presence of other STDs.
Second:
When scientists describe the risk of transmitting an infectious disease, like HIV, the term "theoretical risk" is often used. Very simply, "theoretical risk" means that passing an infection from one person to another is possible, even though there may not yet be any actual documented cases. "Theoretical risk" is not the same as likelihood. In other words, stating that HIV infection is "theoretically possible" does not necessarily mean it is likely to happen-only that it might. Documented risk, on the other hand, is used to describe transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature.
And now for some factual data:
Various scientific studies have been performed around the world to try and document and study instances of HIV transmission through oral sex. A programme in San Francisco studied 198 people, nearly all gay or bisexual men. The subjects stated that they had only had oral sex for a year, from six months preceding the six-month study to its end. 20 per cent of the study participants, 39 people, reported performing oral sex on partners they knew to be HIV positive. 35 of those did not use a condom and 16 reported swallowing cum. No-one became HIV positive during the study. Due to the low number of unprotected serodiscordant pairings, all that can be said is that there was a less than 2.8 per cent chance of infection through oral sex over a year. In 2000, a different San Francisco study of gay men who had recently acquired HIV infection found that 7.8 per cent of these infections were attributed to oral sex. However, the results of the study have since been called into question due to the reliability of the participant's data.
In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission. The study also looked at contributing factors that could effect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex. They monitored viral load and asked questions such as whether ejaculation in the mouth occurred and how good oral health was. Amongst HIV-positive men, 34 per cent had ejaculated into the mouths of their partners. Viral load levels were available for 60 people in the study, 10 per cent of whom had levels over 10,000 copies. Nearly 16 per cent of the HIV-positive people had CD4 counts below 200. The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.
At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the theoretical risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent (0.0004)per contact given the fact that the partner would be infected. For you to use those number to get some odds of getting infected, you would have to calculate in the odds that the partner is infected which at a FKK club I would suggest are very low given the fact that the girls are checked on regular basis. You also have to take into account that the risk is much lower for the receiver of fluids than the giver.
Final note:
There are of course a lot of other, although not as serious as HIV, STDs that can be more easily transferred during oral sex such as gonorrhea, genital warts (HPV), intestinal parasites (amebiasis), and hepatitis, but these can be handled by medication.
Sorry for the long post, be safe, but enjoy that bbbj ;-)
Chivaz
Chivaz,
Thanks a lot for very usefull and meaningful report.
I may visit FKK Palace this July or August, as I will find myself in Europe on personal business. This time, I have a few questions.
For extra money, will any girls swallow your cum? That would be a very cool experience.
Have any of you had experiences where you agreed on a flat rate (of say, 200 Euros) and had a 'anything-goes, no-holds-barred' sex session? I hate the mechanical process of discussing every sex act (CIM, anal, etc.) for extra cash, it's not spontaneous nor is it fun. I'd much rather pay her a lump sum, then have free reign during an unrushed, one-hour session to cum on her face or in her mouth, have her eat my ass, suck my toes, and all sorts of kinky sex acts - and have more than just one pop. Have any of you been able to negotiate something like this with a working girl? And for what price? I'd be happy to get any leads from you guys on this.
Oh, and thanks in advance. I've made it my goal to make the most of each and every session, and have set aside 500 Euro (including entrance fee) for my day-long romp.
I'd also appreciate any other general tip that you could give me.
Thanks and best regards,
Bruce
Chivaz and Novize,
How about the safty or risks of DATY?
Novize,
About your1000 sessions, you never got infected with any STD. How often you play DATY?
I love to eat pussy more than any thing else, but not sure if DATY safe. Please advise.
all4bb
DATY is as safe for you as a BBBJTC is for a woman.
I like to DATY, too, and I did it on approx. 80% of my sessions. I go to the doctor every 3 - 4 months, and so far he never found any STD.
Have fun,
Novize
Hi Bruce,
It really depends on the girl if you are going to get what you want. I would guess that many would do the deal, but few would deliver the way you want to. I can think of two girls that might go for it and deliver as promised (not sure about the toe thing though):
Celine from Croatia (I think she is currently at Oase, she has moved around a lot the last year or so). She is pretty much go for anything, but I am not sure if she will give you a rim job though.
Daniella from Romania, currently at vacation, but can be found at World. She is pretty much go for everything.
I would not strike the deal you talk of unless having had a regular session first with the girl. My guess is that the girl would have to be pretty comfortable with you before going for it, and it is hard unless she has done a session or two with you.
Chivaz
[QUOTE=Chivaz]Hi Bruce,
It really depends on the girl if you are going to get what you want. I would guess that many would do the deal, but few would deliver the way you want to. I can think of two girls that might go for it and deliver as promised (not sure about the toe thing though):
Celine from Croatia (I think she is currently at Oase, she has moved around a lot the last year or so). She is pretty much go for anything, but I am not sure if she will give you a rim job though.
Daniella from Romania, currently at vacation, but can be found at World. She is pretty much go for everything.
I would not strike the deal you talk of unless having had a regular session first with the girl. My guess is that the girl would have to be pretty comfortable with you before going for it, and it is hard unless she has done a session or two with you.
Chivaz[/QUOTE]Hey Chivaz,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I guess you are right - a girls performance will depend on the rapport she has with you. They aren't robots, after all. Thanks for the valuable tips and leads - I'll look into them. Could you describe what those two girls look like, by the way, I might make a trip to Oase or World - I've never been to either.
Bruce
Novize,
Thanks for your quick reply!
I find some girls work even during their period. I find out after eating their pussy they are actually on their period. Have you ever had such experience? Is that dangerous?
all4bb
BB,
If a girl is working during her period she has definitely got a sponge in there and you won't taste any blood.
Bruce Ley,
The best advice on the All-in deal is that you better know the woman. Otherwise she is going to think there is going to be something weird coming up. Getting rimmed is gonna be tough. I have only known 2 girls who have done it to me (both times free, but I was a regular) at clubs. But if you talk about all the different things and the prices on the couch, and then head to the room, you can then go all out, and you'll hear the price when you are finished. No need to worry about it in the room.
BB: Some girls at FKK do work during their menstruation period. I have had some encounters of this and know of a few cases more. You will most likely not notice for the reason Peter mentioned, but once in a while there will be some spillage. My guess is that most girls working during their period will try to divert you from DATY, but I am just speculating here.
Menstruation blood of an HIV+ woman is contagious and may infect you if you have sores, bleeding gums or inflammation in your mouth.
Bruce: Celine, a Croat/Alban mix, has a kind of Gypsy look, pretty face (kind of Selma Hayek looking face). Her body is getting kind of worned (I am really looking for the nicest way to say this, but my english vocabulary is not helping here). 1,6-1,65 m height. Will probably be working the room constantly. Don't know where she's at right now.
Daniela, a Romanian, is around 1,7 m height, brown curly hair, shoulder length. B/C tastefully enhanced breasts. Very good figure. If you see a good looking girl making pro-stripper moves on the pole at World, it might be her. She is on vacation right now, but according to latest intellegence will be back this summer.
I have very seldom spotted a girl based on description on the boards and I guess you will have difficulties finding either of them unless you stumble onto them.
Warning: I am not sure these girls will provide you with the service you want, all I can say is that those two are the ones I would guess would get closest to it as they can be pretty wild but YMMV. My advice would be to do at least one session without asking for the "nasty" stuff and then you will see what the girl is comfortable doing with you. Take it from there.
Chivaz
[QUOTE=Bruce Ley]Have any of you had experiences where you agreed on a flat rate (of say, 200 Euros) and had a 'anything-goes, no-holds-barred' sex session? I hate the mechanical process of discussing every sex act (CIM, anal, etc.) for extra cash, it's not spontaneous nor is it fun. I'd much rather pay her a lump sum, then have free reign during an unrushed, one-hour session to cum on her face or in her mouth, have her eat my ass, suck my toes, and all sorts of kinky sex acts - and have more than just one pop.
[/QUOTE]
Try/aks Katharina (in Atlantis Serena) at Palace. She should offer all those things and be ready for an "all-inclusive-offer".
Hessen Bub
Chivaz,
Thanks for information. It still seem to me that DATY is most unsafe form of unprotected sex. But it is most exciting form for sex. Some time after having a few sessions (say 4-5) in fkk, I can't get hard on anymore. But, if I lick, eat and suck pussy, it makes me so excited and I can get hard on again. Sometime, lick beautiful feet can help me getting hard on too. But DATY is most exciting for me. I just love to eat pussies! But I still scare most of time.
Novize,
What do you mean BBBJTC. I know BBBJ but don't know BBBJTC. I still curious, do you often have experience when you eat pussy while girls were on their period? If you do, and still HIV and STD negative, it will make me feel much safer, since you have already eating more than 800 pussies.
By the way, bb mean pussy in one special languege. So I rather be called all4bb instead bb, since I am not a bb but love bb. all4bb mean all for pussy.
Best,
all4bb
sorry for calling you a "pussy". I didn´t know that and hope you accept my apologies.
BBBJTC means BBBJ To Completion (so it includes "Come in Mouth").
Many girls I met were unwilling to let me DATY or finger them during their period. I didn´t insist on that service, then. I never saw or tasted blood, but on several occasions I could feel the sponge with my fingers.
I can remember approx. 4 or 5 sessions when I did DATY on a girl during her period. But since many girls don´t like fingering, it will have been more. I can only guess: 5% of all sessions including DATY? I really don´t know.
Have fun,
Novize
All for Bb,
Ive had sex with around 400-450 working girls in my time, and I licked around 90% of those pussies, infact I really sucked the shit out of those pussies and I have never caught an STD either.
I believe that most girls that work indoors are STD free, and even if a girl has an STD the chances of getting it from giving her oral are low.
So its a low risk on top of a low risk = a very low risk IMHO.
but I remember going for one of my full STD screens a few years back, and I was telling the middle aged nurse that I love the perform oral on women, and then after the test she handed me a pack of those latex sheets (also known as rubber dams), and she said " In future when you feel like performing oral sex on a prostitute, please place one of these sheets over her vaginal opening and lick the sheet instead"
I fell about the place laughing at the thought of it, and replied "Its pussy I want to lick and not rubber !!" and handed her back the rubber dams.
All 4,
Aids rates in Germany are officially the lowest in the world, at least according to the CIA factbook. That is what keeps me less worried. As I have said, I have picked up gonnorhea once from a BJ in a club, and I have seen some girls with herpes outbreaks, but those aren't life threatening.
Don't be scared, but don't be careless. I tried a dental damm for fun once, but there is nothing at all redeeming about that.
I got strep throat a day later after my last trip in April. I am not sure who gave it to me but that is part of the risk when I participate in this hobby. The doctor gave me an antibiotic and told me to stay away from people for a few days.
[url]www.ashastd.org[/url] seems to be a good website for finding out basic information. I'm sure there are more practical sites - if anyone knows perhaps they could post?
Although my total numbers of encounters in the last two years is lower than some of the previous contributors, I have done DATY whenever possible and have not caught anything. On two occasions I ended up with ordinary mouth cold sores (herpes) (as distinct from genital herpes) afterwards - but this was due to excessive irritation by poorly shaved and enthusiastic pussies coupled with wearing myself out. So the incidence of infection from DATY seems empirically low. (By the way if anyone is interested - in my experience the most effective treatment for ordinary cold sores on lips is repeated dabs of Lavender or Tea Tree essential oils - much much more effective than anything like Zovirax or otheres from the chemist)
There has also been discussion about the testing of the girls. It is hard to get to the truth of this. What i do know is that a doctor visits FKK World from time to time to test the girls - but I'm not sure how hit and miss it is - for example, if the workers are not there when the doctor comes do they just get missed? and I have no idea of how often it is done.
The best solution to this AIDS/Std debate is :
If you are overly worried about catching something, dont partake in that activity or dont go to the club.
Peter,
was it girls with genital herpes or cold sores on the mouth that you encountered?
FM,
I have seen some Genital Herpes. I remember one girl in PHG who was fresh from Lithuania who had some just above her pussy. I told the people in charge, and she was sent home until it was treated.
I have had genital herpes outbreaks twice in my life, but the first time was with 20, well before I hobbied, and then last year I had a repeat. Not sure if it was stress or from a club. Five days of Aciclovar and it was under control.
If the girl had herpes, she was not showing yet,but you start shedding two or three days before any sores appear. I called the club and named the girls I was with. Not sure if they sent them home for a couple of days.
Not that big a deal, but FM is right, if you are deathly afraid of disease stay out of the clubs, avoid sex altogether. Who knows if your GF, Wife is cheating on you, you'd be surprised.
Kirsia,
There is no "Best".
There are 5 top tier clubs.
Alphabetically:
Goldentime - Düsseldorf Area
Oase - Frankfurt Area
Palace - Frankfurt Area
Planet Happy Garden - Düsseldorf area
World - frankfurt Area
These are all big clubs with 30+ women on any given night and very nice facilities. Everything beyond that is personal preference.
On as stupid a question as you have put it is impossible to give any more precise answer, and I certainly hope that no one else responds to this uselessly uninformed question.
I have been in 4 of 5, but not Goldentime - Düsseldorf Area. It is not listed on this site. Where to find info for this club?
I thinks as long as use condom correctly, sex with ffk girls are very safe. I never heard any report that any people actually catch HIV in FFK clubs. If there was, it must be reported already. We saw reports on this board about catching some kind of std occasionally, which is not too much worrysome since treatable. But I have never seen any report about any one actually caught HIV in ffk clubs, whatever through bbbj or DATY. So I guess we could enjoy eating and licking pussies.
BTW, anyone actually drink (swallow) pussy juice? How about the taste?
All4bb
[QUOTE=Peter]Bruce Ley,
The best advice on the All-in deal is that you better know the woman. Otherwise she is going to think there is going to be something weird coming up. Getting rimmed is gonna be tough. I have only known 2 girls who have done it to me (both times free, but I was a regular) at clubs. But if you talk about all the different things and the prices on the couch, and then head to the room, you can then go all out, and you'll hear the price when you are finished. No need to worry about it in the room.[/QUOTE]Peter,
Thanks for taking the time. :)
By the way, do girls charge extra even if you just come on their stomach or breasts, and not their mouth/face? It's pretty annoying to think that I have to part with 50 Euros just to nut on a girl's chest or stomach - they can easily wipe it with a towel. Quite different from rinsing their mouth or cleaning the face and reapplying makeup. I mean honestly. Is this a steadfast rule that 100% of club girls stick to? Not to sound cheap, but I'd rather not cough up 50 Euros for something as minor as that. Last year a girl asked 50 Euros for just that, and I stupidly just gave in.
Regards,
Bruce.
CIA factbook. Aids prevalance in countries. See where Germany is? Don't get too worried!
I think most Goldentime info here is in the "other Clubs" section. It is relatively new, been open for about 1.5 years. It is the same in price and all as PHG, but is a competitor. The people who put up the money used to run Relax in Limburg.
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By that list, Cape Verde is the only place where it is not suicide to have sex with black people. Look at the top 25!
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If I look at it, it is pure black until 37, where Cambodia is located
Bruce,
it´s better to clearify that with the girl upfront.
"Officially" it´s 50,- €(at the Rhein.Main-clubs), but this is one of the services that are highly negotiable.
Have fun,
Novize
Novize, Peter, Shiatsu, FM,
Since all of you tasted many many pussies, I envy all of you. One question, how is the pussy juice tasted? Any difference between different pussies (girls)? Ever swallow?
I will go FFK in early June. I am starting eat many many pussies.
all4bb
[QUOTE=All For Bb]Any difference between different pussies (girls)?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Have fun,
Novize
It taste like Wee Wee.
Aids isn't a big problem in Germany per say but if you are really afraid of catching something you shouldn't have sex at all, just play with your right hand. Always use a condom for vaginal or anal sex, and if you are that much concerned make the girl put on a condom before she gives you a blow job, and don't go down on her. If you really need company just tell her to give you hand job. Most women in German clubs are not very paranoid from my experience, this is a country where public nudity is common( english garden, the saunas) and people are very open about their sexuality(love parade, groping during oktoberfest, etc) like no other western country, so bbbjs are common.
Life is short, life sucks, the world is a fucking ball of shit, enjoy the good things while you're alive and don't worry.
Hi Peter,
I should've been more specific. I am just curious cuz I've never been to a FKK club.
I prefer to have sex when noone else is watching and that might be a problem in an FKK Club. I also like women with tight asses but not to tight cuz I wanna fuck them. :-) I really like to finish with a great BBBJ and cum all over the womans face.
Here are maybe some more detailed questions:
- What is the normal rate if tou want to have vaginal, anal and to cum all over her face?
- What is the best time during the day to get in?
- Can you have sex with two women in a private room at the same time?
- Do the FKK clubs have bukkake parties?
- Are most women from the former East Europe in the FKK Clubs?
- If I am staying in Frankfurt which is the easiest club to get to?
- Can you please explain all the abbrivations that floats around here on this forum?
Hope these questions are specific enough for you? :-)
I think, that wasn´t not much better, you could find most answers if you would read the reports posted in this great forum... :rolleyes:
Anyway, let´s start:
- I prefer to have sex when noone else is watching and that might be a problem in an FKK Club.
Why? There are rooms...
- What is the normal rate if tou want to have vaginal, anal and to cum all over her face?
In the Rhein-Main-area, the going rate is 50 € per started 30 min., including BBBJ and intercourse. Anal is 50 - 100 € extra. Cum on Face could be a problem, because the girl would need some time to repair her make-up afterwards. Expect another 50 - 100 €. Not all girls will do all Extras. Ask upfront!
- What is the best time during the day to get in?
The best time to get in is during opening times. Frankfurt clubs open at 10:00 a.m. and stay open until 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. next day.
Don´t expect many girls to be ready for work 5 minutes after the club has opened it´s doors. From midday on you should find a nice selection of girls in every club - even at Palace, where most of the great providers start to work lately.
- Can you have sex with two women in a private room at the same time?
Yes, youcan. But you have to pay every girl separately, there´s no discount. Double the prices mentioned above. Many girls like to work with a colleague - it´s just half of the work for at least the same money (lesbo-show is another Extra of 50,- € per girl).
- Do the FKK clubs have bukkake parties?
No!
- Are most women from the former East Europe in the FKK Clubs?
The majority of women comes froem Eastern Europe, but there are also women from Germany, Latin America, Southern Europe and, and, and...
- If I am staying in Frankfurt which is the easiest club to get to?
FKK-Palace, see separate section.
- Can you please explain all the abbrivations that floats around here on this forum?
Have a look here:
[url]http://www.*************.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897[/url]
Have fun,
Novize
The cost for sex in an FKK can be as little as 25EUR to about 80EUR, the average is around 50EUR, and at least in NRW area clubs this should usually include vaginal and bbbjs, some girls provide extras. There are women from all over the world at many FKKs, the bulk of women tend to come from Eastern Europe, and there are local German women, there are also a lot of Middle Eastern and Turkish women at the clubs, occasionally some Asians and Africans too.
Couple of Answers:
All4BB,
There are about 4 main pussy tastes, and most fall ino those categories. Best is when ittastes like nothing, ust like body fluid, sort of like the saliva in a mouth when kissing. Sometime it is a little sour, I don't like that. Sometimes it tastes a little musky, that could well be a yeast infection, or she hasn't washed too much.
Sometimes it tastes really sweet, but that is usually when they put some sort of gell in there. It is like flavoured lubricant.
There are also different pussy textures. I like smooth inside lips the most.
Pussy juice is not really someing thathas taste, and even if a woman orgasms strongly there is rarely a lot of ejaculate to swallow either.
Just go eat some pussy.
Kirsia,
For what you like the Rheine Ruhr area is certainly a better deal. In Wildenrath, Happy Garden or Goldentime the cost would be 75€ for 1 hour (if you want vaginal, anal and Cum on Face you should take a full hour) 50€ for Anal (But only about 15% of women offer Anal). I am not sure whether Cum of Face is 25€ or 50€ extra, So if you do a half hour then the whole thing could be as little as 125€. But agin, ask in advance, not all girls will offer all this stuff.
Bukakke is not really an FKK thing.
Novize is right, there are rooms, not public orgies.
[QUOTE=Peter]By that list, Cape Verde is the only place where it is not suicide to have sex with black people. Look at the top 25!
1
Swaziland 38.80 2003 est.
2
Botswana 37.30 2003 est.
3
Lesotho 28.90 2003 est.
4
Zimbabwe 24.60 2001 est.
5
South Africa 21.50 2003 est.
6
Namibia 21.30 2003 est.
7
Zambia 16.50 2003 est.
8
Malawi 14.20 2003 est.
9
Central African Republic 13.50 2003 est.
10
Mozambique 12.20 2003 est.
11
Guinea-Bissau 10.00 2003 est.
12
Tanzania 8.80 2003 est.
13
Gabon 8.10 2003 est.
14
Cote d'Ivoire 7.00 2003 est.
15
Sierra Leone 7.00 2001 est.
16
Cameroon 6.90 2003 est.
17
Kenya 6.70 2003 est.
18
Burundi 6.00 2003 est.
19
Liberia 5.90 2003 est.
20
Haiti 5.60 2003 est.
21
Nigeria 5.40 2003 est.
22
Rwanda 5.10 2003 est.
23
Congo, Republic of the 4.90 2003 est.
24
Chad 4.80 2003 est.
25
Ethiopia 4.40 2003 est.
If I look at it, it is pure black until 37, where Cambodia is located[/QUOTE]
Uhh. Not quite:
65
United States 0.60 2001 est.
66
El Salvador 0.60 2001 est.
67
Nepal 0.50 2001 est.
68
[b]Senegal 0.50 2001 est.[/b]
69
Switzerland 0.50 2001 est.
Peter,
Thanks for describing the variety tastes of pussies. I can't wait to eat more pussies when my next visit in June 10th. I can report then what I feel.
Is there any differences of the taste of white pussies, oriental pussies, redhead pussies, and black pussies?
Anyone ever heard that if there is anyone ever actually caught HIV from ffk clubs?
all4pussy
And the fifth taste of pussy is like a 18 weeks old camembert cheese. This one you will find when the girl has not showered for a week.
hehe, from pussy juice to bukkake, the last series of posts just crack me up
Chivaz
Vitch,
It was not meant to be definitive, more of an observation, and not meant in a real racist way.
Peter
Most women's pussies smell more like yogurt than camembert cheese, although they have a bit of that too, in a strange way I like it when a woman's privates smell like certain dairy products. A lot of American women have a chemical KY Jelly plastic odor on their snatches, something I find to be a turn off. Only one time, at DV in Dusseldorf, with Margherita, an Italian, her snatch smelled like Big Red Cinammon gum, she had the best tasting pussy ever.
I remember last time with Margherita at DV. I was cheewing on this nice cinammon gum (the bid red type you know) when she draged me to the room and immediatly I went for DATY. Somwhere in the process I lost my gum, but now I know where it ended up.
Just glad that someone else got to enjoy the gum. Makes the loss a little bit more bearable.
;-) ;-)
Chivaz
Chivaz,
Serves you right for going into DATY with a full mouth...LOL
Last visit, I got a receipt from Palace 65 Euro for Dinner. On the receipt, it indicated from Dagmar Lerch. What is meaning of "Dagmar Lerch"? I got a similar receipt from World, it indicated "Kaunzberg, Gastronomie GmbH". What that mean? I wonder if I could submit the receipts to my company for reimbursment as the meal receipt? Anyone know German, please advise. Does any of those mean a nude club, or a brothel?
Thanks!
The "Dagmar Lerch Vermietungs GmbH" is the company that runs FKK-Palace.
Have fun,
Novize
What's the annual turnover(revenue) of the Palace?
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]What's the annual turnover(revenue) of the Palace?[/QUOTE]
Call and ask.
Have fun,
Novize
All 4 Bb,
You can probably turn in the World one. Gastronomie just means restaurant or catering. I googled it and nothing came up. If you google the whole Dagmar Lerch Vermietungs GMBH, then one of the three results is Palace, so you might not want to turn that one in.
Depending on how long your company keeps records and what your political aspirations are, you might want to think twice about fucking on the company dime.
Peter
I never keep the receipts from my visits, I always pay cash, never anything that is traceable like credit or debit cards.
All For Bb,
On this one I am completely with CBGBC:
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I never keep the receipts from my visits, I always pay cash, never anything that is traceable like credit or debit cards.[/QUOTE]
The receipts from all FKKs are purposely kept neutral-sounding so that wifes looking into credit card statements are not tipped off right away. So they make it sound like a normal restaurant bill. I would be very nervous to leave traces for my wife, and that's why I never pay with anything but cash at any FKK.
But running the FKK receipt through an expense account as a dinner is way too bold for me to consider. Depending on what country you live in, this actually constitutes a reaon for getting fired. You may want to think this one over ...
Cheers
euro
I agree. Why take the chance for a measly 65E. If it is an American company, you will surely get canned. Odds are some prude will have heard about a FKK from a bragging friend and they will take the opportunity to make you an example and to proseletize about the evils of sex!
On the other hand, how many Europeans have turned in such receipts as business expenses for entertaining clients!
Thanks to the French, the Euro is starting to come down in value, it was nearly $1.30 and is now in the $1.20 range. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to fluctuate depending upon what W and his Neocons do over the next few years.
I have a question that hopefully some of you seasoned pros can help me with. What do you guys talk to the girls about! I've been to the Palace a handful of times and I find it hard to make small talk with the girls. I look around and everyone is sitting with a girl talking. For some reason, that doesn't happen with me. The language barrier is a problem sometimes, but even the girls that speak enough english rarely sit and talk. I know they must get tired of the same questions, ie: Where are you from? How long have you worked here? How old are you?, so I try to avoid questions like that, but what does that leave? Help me out, guys!
Thanks,
Jaas
is possible about nearly every issue that is of interest for both.
As a regular guest in FKK-clubs it´s not easy to answer your questions, because I find someone I know in every location. And once you know a woman a little bit, it´s easy...
I suggest to avoid questions related to the girl´s job or asking the girl to meet outside the club. Political issues are not a good idea, either...
Ah, and sports. Don´t talk about sports. Most women hate it. Sports ruins the business... I often ask girls if they like football. But I´m prepared for the answer... ;)
You can approach a girl by just introducing yourself and asking for her name and where she´s from. I admit that this is not a really inventive approach, but the girls will answer politely and most of them will try to keep the conversation going on - that´s part of their job. If not, you can be happy to get rid of her before the clock starts to run.
You can show some interest in her homecountry, compliment her on her language skills (if existent), on her appearance, on her tattoes, make-up and so on.
Sometimes I like to "compliment" them on their clothing: "Great towel, D&G?", or "You need these shoes to have a look over the bar?". I experienced that girls not reacting positively on an approach like this are not the ones I´ll have a good session with.
It´s not necessary to be originally - just be authentic. If possible, react on a current situation. Or just lean back, smile at the girls and let them do the approach. Then you just have to answer her introduction. And if it doesn´t "click", don´t go for a session.
Have fun,
Novize
Jaas - Just to echo Novize's and Peter's (Palace thread). perfect replies They are 100% right I think. Although of course it depends what you want out of a session. In my experience a session with a girl always goes best if they are willing to talk about things (life, death, boyfriend trouble, the price of their new ring, how long it takes to do their make-up, how other clients treat them, the weather, their sons and daughters, where is best to work etc). If the conversation takes a light hearted turn then that's fine, if it turns to serious matters then that works as well. They often ask me about my family, my work and so on: sometimes it is nice for them to know about their clients.
Where else can you get sex and talking therapy combined for 50Euros? A bargain. (Ok - I know that is a rarity but it indicates how well it can go at its best)
If a girl is not willing to open up and talk a bit then the chances are she won't open up physically either. The key for me is to treat them as equals - that immediately marks you out from many of the clients who disrespect the girls. Not all clients are as considerate as wsg members. And taking an interest in them is always welcome - if it's not then I doubt the session will be good.
The only danger is that if the talking gets good then I end up paying a fortune!!
Shiatsu,
Since I sometimes end up talking for more than 2 hours with the girls, I tend to stick to the Düsseldorf area clubs because the additional time is cheaper.
I was in a room for 3 hours with Natasha once and we had sex, but mainly talked. She wanted absolutely no money and after me arguing for quite a while she ended up accepting 75€ from me. I started at 175€, but she kept saying no, she doesn't take money for talking to me. We've known each other for years though.
Sorry, It is outdated and some clubs are closed, but I am just reposting it:
Age range generally 18-30. Most girls are in the 21-26 range. I find most girls under 21 can't mentally cope with the job and offer worse service. there are some girls out there who are over 30, but not all that many. The pictures are of typical girls who are working in the better clubs. check out the Wildenrath home page, where I have the pictures from. I find they have the most attractive girls at the moment.
Looks also go the range, from some 4-6's and on a good night a lot of 8+'s. I am quite young and know a lot of really hot chicks, but Atlantis in the old days was full of girls I thought were really good looking. Now it can be hit and miss. at World last time I went there were only 4 girls who were 8+ and at least 20 who I wouldn't screw with someone elses dick. At Wildenrath there are about 8 girls from 20 who I consider 8+, but a couple of months ago the numbers looked very different.
I'll include a picture of Natascha from Wildenrath who is German and 24 years old and provides a really good service. she really gets into it, and when I went down on her and started fingering her while licking her ass she said, "wow, you'R wild and really know how to work a girls body" and she meant it.
Natascha
Just so that it doesn't look like I am advertising for Wildenrath (which is my favourite club by a long shot) I will give my honest opinion of the pro's and cons of that and other clubs. All pictures are from their home pages, but are all accurate and hardly any are retouched.
Wildenrath :
Pro's : Great girls, familial atmosphere, cleanliness, free beer (only here and Happy Garden have beer), good and plentiful food, Sauna (which I have never used) outdoor terrace and a big lawn, attractive pricing for longer term bookers like me (each addtional 30 mins is 25€, and you only pay for each additional service once)
Con's : Not a mega club (so only 15-20 women on an average night, Sometimes a strange crowd (especially when the gypsys come), no pool or hottub facility, girls are not naked
Wildenrath Terrace
Happy Garden
Pretty much the same as Wildenrath except with more women (although in my opinion not more good looking ones) and they don't have food fo as long (it goes away quickly).
PHG
Babylon:
Pro's: Young girls, BBBJ to warm up on the couch, guaranteed DFK, they offer a decent buffet again, women are fully naked
Con's: I am not convinced on the cleanliness, especially in the contact room, the pricing structure is a bit steep, The customer base is quite old and seems to be regular.
Babylon
Atlantis (to be honest I haven't been there for 1.5 years)
Pros : Sheer volume of women, indoor and outdoor pool, hot tubs and multiple saunas, women are fully naked
Cons: I think the entrance fee is high and the pricing is higher than the clubs around düsseldorf, especially for extras, The cleanliness of the changing rooms, especially showers leaves a lot to be desired. Has the feeling of a Fuck Factory, small rooms etc. Not a very personal feel, some people don't like the dark lighting, buffet is not everyday.
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World (Been there twice and probably won't be back for a while)
Pro's: Nicest facilities you can humanly imagine. Indoor and outdoor pool, 2 hot tubs, movie room, massage facilites (additional cost, but real licensed masseur), Saunas, large landscaped garden with multiple huts and lounge chairs outside, full buffet all day long, very clean
Con's: In my opinion the worst selection of girls around, too few toilets, same price structure as atlantis
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I could go on forever, I have been to tonnes of Clubs: Oase,
oase
Sylt Nürnberg, Fantasyland, Relax, Parkschloss Dali, Freudenbergstr., Herne, dortmund, La Folie Berlin, Heavensgate, Wiago, Dolce Vita and diverse other clubs. Each club has its own charms and I like going to a new one every once in a while. I have my home club (wildenrath) but I always like to see what the others have to offer.
Hope this has been of help,
Peter
Oase is 30 minutes north of Frankfurt
World is 50 minutes north of Frankfurt and 20 minutes from Oase and 30 minutes from Atlantis
Fantasyland (Which I think has a new name now) is about 1 Hour from Frankfurt and halfway between Frankfurt and Cologne/Düsseldorf (these cities are 15 minutes apart).
Cologne Düsseldorf are about 200 KM north of Frankfurt. The A3 is the main highway joining the two areas, and Oase and World are more on the A5 (which runs sort of parallel)
Babylon is 30 minutes from Cologne and also 30 minutes from Düsseldorf, directly between them and due west.
Planet Happy Garden is about 30 minutes North West of Düsseldorf.
Parksauna Wildenrath is about 30 minutes Due West of Düsseldorf and about 20 minutes from Happy Garden.
The Red Carpet Clubs are a group of about 9 clubs located along the A40 and A42 highway between Essen and Dortmund. These clubs are called that becasue they all have the same owner and the same red carpet, their pricing is similar and quite cheap with 20 minute sessions including BBBJ at 25€ and entrance fees of between 20 and 35€. These clubs are not as luxurious and sometimes the service is so/so, but sometimes you hit a jewel.
Heavens Gate is about 40 minutes northeast of Düsseldorf.
Parkschloss Dali is about 1 hour East of Dortmund.
The two main FKK centers in Germany are Frankfurt and Cologne/Düsseldorf.
Frankfurt has the 3 mega-clubs, which are just much larger than any other club in Germany.
Cologne/Düsseldorf is the traditional home of FKK's and where they started (Bernd's Schieferhof about 20 years ago). these clubs are smaller and a little more homey, they don't have multiple pools and whirlpools and such, they are usually just rebuilt houses and alot have 12-20 girls working. the pricing scheme is also different club to club, but in general the ones in Cologne Düsseldorf are a little cheaper, or at least extras or add on time is cheaper.
If you are planning a trip to FKK's stick to these two areas. If you have a week and enough cash (about 350€ a day = entrance fee (average 50) + 3 sessions daily (about 175) + rental car (50) + gas (25) + cheap motel (50)) then I would do one day each at Atlantis, Oase &World, then head up do a short stop at Fantasyland on the same day go to Babylon and stay somewhere their, then you can go to Happy Garden in the morning and at midnight when they close or when you think you've seen all the talent head to Wildenrath which on Friday and Saturday stays open until 4AM (I would spend more time at wildenrath, but that is just my prerogative) then you can sample some of the Red Carpet clubs to bring your average cost down, and then finishe off a night in Park Schloss Dali which closes at 5AM. From there you can head down the highway back towards Frankfurt and finish you final day ine whichever of the 3 frankfurt clubs was your favourite (on that day you could skip a hotel completely) and then catch a flight home. even if you are young you might want to invest in Viagra before that sort of schedule, but it is possible.
Map
Best resource for research is Kaleus list [url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de.vu/[/url]
Hope this helps
Peter
Just a quick update on my list.
There is a new club called Goldentime on the same street as Wildenrath about 12km away. This club is excellent from both facilities as well as the calibre of girls. It is developing itself to one of the top clubs in Germany. Basically the ´Golden Triangle of Wildenrath, Goldentime and Planet Happy Garden has developed itself to the best triumvirate of clubs in Germany, surpassing what World, Oase and Atlantis used to be. These are not megaclubs, but they are excellent, and the service and the girls and the pricing are superior to what is offered in the frankfurt area.
I must also note that Atlantis is closed and will probably remain so forever!
Peter
[QUOTE=Peter]
Babylon:
Pro's: Young girls, BBBJ to warm up on the couch, guaranteed DFK, they offer a decent buffet again, women are fully naked
Con's: I am not convinced on the cleanliness, especially in the contact room, the pricing structure is a bit steep, The customer base is quite old and seems to be regular.
Peter[/QUOTE]
I actually have to correct you on Babylon, I recently visited the club in April, and it was the first time I visited the place since August 2001, nearly four years. The experience was like meeting a long lost beautiful woman after many years and finding out the years weren't kind. Half of the women were well over 40, and there was this really tall one past her prime that was making passes at me, she was nice, but not what I would expect at this club. There were only about five women in their 20's and I think the best looking one was a 7. The buffet was mainly pasta with ragu and some kind of mystery meat, with salad. I never eat at clubs anyway because fucking on a full stomach makes me nauseous. However, the main attraction of this club, young sweaty and very luscious young women were not present. And on the afternoon I went all of the women were wearing clothes. Also I noticed the sweet smell of candy cinammon flavored gum emanating from the breaths of beautiful sweaty nude European women was replaced by the smell of Mr. Clean. Babylon isn't such a great club anymore. I couldn't believe this was the same club where I met that gorgeous mixed race German woman a few years earlier.
I visited a small place called FKK-Burg that same day on the outskirts of Bonn, it was a fairly modest club, but had two very hot German women on staff, one a Heather Locklear lookalike, the other a Paris Hilton clone. There was a third, who looked like Lois Lane from the first Superman movie, who didn't speak much English. Its near the Duisdorf Bahnhof in an alley near the Sparkasse Bonn.
CBGB,
I haven't been there in a hell of a long time. Haven't really missed it. If I want to work near their price structure I would go to Schieferhof.
But your experience in Burg shows that any club, with any number of girls could be really good, all they need are 2-4 hot girls, and that is possible among 5 just as it is possible that it is not the case among 40.
Can someone advise me as to whether there are any FKK clubs close to Aachen please.
Thanks
depends on what you mean by close
The closest is probably Babylon in elsdorf, which looks to be about 35 KM away. The way to Wildenrath/Goldentime and Ying Yang in roermond doesn't look all that far either, between 40 and 60 KM. It looks like you take the B57 to Alsdorf and then you get on the B221 and keep following it for about 30 KM and then you are in Wildenrath. 15 KM further and it is Goldentime.
If you turn off in Wassenburg and head to the dutch border it is about another 15km to Ying Yang.
So there are quite a few clubs close to Aachen, assuming you have a car.
Toki, don't waste your money on Babylon, go to PHG or Goldentime instead. BABYLON IS A DUMP. There is also FKK Samya, but it is in Koln or Cologne(in English). I think there is a club with Asian women only in Duisburg called Asia Sexhaus, might want to try that.
Yin Yang is in the Netherlands, and has a Dutch style price structure, its far more expensive than PHG and the girls there are paranoid, like typical Dutch girls, so don't expect BBBJs.
CBGB,
I read in the Netherlands section that Yin Yang has its price structured similarly to Germany with BBBJ included. Badda Bing however is as you have described. I hope to confirm this in the fall on my way from Munich to Amsterdam. Have you tried either one?
CBGB: What do you mean by Ying Yang having Dutch price structure? Based on my information, it has a 50e entrance fee and the price structure of the girls is the same as PHG.
You say the girls are paranoid there. What do you mean? You write as you have been to the place. Have you?
Chivaz
Chivaz,
CBGB is working on old info. Ying Yang has been around forever, but has only switched to FKK price structure and service levels 2 months ago. When I was there about half the girls were from German clubs.
So price structure is the same as german FKK's, but I would still say Wildenrath or Goldentime are better.
When I speak about "paranoia" on the part of Dutch sex workers, I mean that they avoid certain things, almost no lady I met in the Netherlands does bbbj or cim, there are many who won't kiss on the mouth, and some are even nervous about daty. A friend of mine has visited Yin Yang and what he told me was that the club was expensive relative to German clubs, and the service he described was "clinical". I used to go to the Netherlands but stopped since visiting German FKK clubs, for the fact that they are cheaper and traveling in Germany is much cheaper than Amsterdam and the rest of Holland. The women in Germany aren't as paranoid as those in Amsterdam. To illustrate what I am talking about, I went to a prive in Amsterdam, and had a session with a Dutch girl, after the session, she was lying down, I got on my knees, pulled my condom off, and some cum spilled on to her tits, she jumped and started shreiking like a banshee, and ran for a bottle of rubbing alcohol, she screamed at me for not being more careful. In Germany, I have busted my nuts on many womens tits, none of them made a big deal out of it. In fact, many girls me the option of shooting my load in their mouths, this is a big no no in Holland, no lady in the Netherlands in my experience does this. On a side note, I was talking with my coworkers about death, and how eventually all of us are going to wind up dead. For my demise, I saw a Japanese anime called Golgo-13, believe it or not there was a scene where a guy was in an FKK in Germany, in Berlin, he was surrounded by thirty naked women, and they were all over him. He eventually in the scene got shot by the hitman, Golgo 13, but from that I said when its my turn to go, I'm going to take $30,000 and rent a whole fucking FKK club for a day, and I am going to fuck until I drop dead.
CBGB,
Does this Golgo thing really take place in an FKK in Berlin? That would have to be La Folie.
Ying Yang is now 100% a FKK like the ones in Germany. Same price, same general service levels. I was there!
I can't wait. Hopefully the openmindedness and affordability of FKK's will soon find itself influencing the brothels of Belgium, Switzerland, Austria and, God willing, the lovely Scandinavian countries as well. Sometimes I think the FKK's are the only thing keeping the entire airline industry from collapsing! I can't definitely vouch for the fact that there have been many a trans-Atlantic flight from the States simply to explore Germany's secret wonder.
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the Dutch, who have de-criminalized both drugs and prostitution would still be so safety-conscious and almost misinformed when it comes to getting a little semen on your breasts?
No, Wry its the ultrapowerful US media, Hollywood and its other tentacle outlets, that indoctrinate Americans and the world, that the typical American woman is Angelina Jolie. I have ran into a lot of German customers in FKKs who have never visited the States, who think that most American women are on the level of Jolie. They'll be in a for a unpleasant surprise. As far as translatlantic flights I doubt too many people from the States go to Germany for FKKs, the last few times I flew there almost all the passengers with me were Europeans returning home from their vacation in the US, its still pretty much unknown to most Americans, except to those of us on this message board.
The worst news I have heard in a long time, but from very reliable sources:
It looks like there are going to be way too many clubs opening in the Golden Triangle within the next 6 months.
The Goldentime people are opening another club in Mönchengladbach.
The Dolce Vita people have bought a large villa about 2KM down the street from Goldentime, which they will be turning in to an FKK too. Supposedly the villa is about double the size of Goldentime.
That means witht he addition of Ying Yang just across the dutch border there will soon be 6 major clubs within a totaldistance of 40KM in an area west of Düsseldorf, where the world did fine up till a year ago with two clubs.
Some might say that competition will improve the world for us. They are full of crap!
This will just spread the decent girls across more clubs, and the men will spread across more clubs and the atmosphere and the mood of the girls will majorly decline.
There will not be new women coming into the game. They have trouble finding decent new girls to get into the job as it is. I doubt they will get that many new custiomers who were not happy qith the choices available.
If the prices fall, then the service will fall as well as the quality of girl doing this job.
I wish the people would stop building all the clubs in the same region.
There are other areas like around Aachen where a club would make sense.
Stop screwing up the area!
Just in case any of the FKK entrepenuers are reading this : This is what you need to build, not just an FKK club but a complete FKK "resort". A place where a guy could go and stay for a week or a few days at a time. A Theme park for single men if you like, called Sex World. Obviously anyone could make daily visits also.
My dream FKk would be a mix between a good hotel, FKK club and Big Sister in Prague.
So what these guys need to do is buy/build a 100 room hotel , and keep 50 rooms for regular hotel use, then convert 25 rooms for sex use, and the other 25 for internet sex similar to Big sister in Prague where you can fuck for free.
There should be at least 100 women present everynight.
It should also have a regular sports bar to catch all the football/grand prix etc, this bar would also suit as a place to get a break from the sex if a guy was spending several days there,also drinks should be at regular prices. And a small regular cinema would nice to catch a few movies, after your fifth cum of the day, the latest Tom Cruise flick might be a nice change for a few hours. Also an Internet cafe for instant report posting. Maybe a small shop with English/american papers aswell.
Also It should have indoor and outdoor pools and whirlpools,steam, sauna etc. In the summer there could also be an outdoor bar and barbecue, aswell as big swings in the garden to fuck on! On the food side of things, a Chinese restaurant should be included as well as the regular Buffet.
There would be a huge surge in Foreign visitors if they could have it all under one roof. Also the place should be 10 minutes from an Airport.
Common someone please create my dream!!!!!!
Here are my two cents into this issue:
Take almost any major city, and you will find the tourist sex thing overpriced underqulified, rip offs and just plain bad stuff. The FKKs are not so much a tourist thing yet. It is not known to that many outside of Germany. That means the girls have to some extend rely on repeat customers and reputation. This equals quality service in most cases.
Same goes with f.ex. the Spanish bar scene. Within the well travelled path of the big cities, it is crap. Go 20-25 km outside the city, and you will find some pretty good clubs that cater to locals. Tourists of course find their way to those clubs, but then it is on a different agenda, not the spur of the moment when you'r pissed drunk and decide to get some piece of ass.
Ask almost anyone, and they know of the Amsterdam or Prague scene. I bet that under 2% of them have ever heard of FKK. Excellent.
I don't want to have the FKKs more commercialised and too known outside Germany. It will ruin them. Yeah, I am selfish so what.
I agree with you Peter on the number of clubs. I remember when World first opened and then Atlantis reopened. It was damn difficult to keep track on who was where and the overall quality suffered for a while. If the clubs become too many, we will probably start seeing them trying too lure more tourists in = more single time visits, drunk assholes etc. It will fuck things up.
Chivaz
Chivaz,
Why do you bother posting on this international forum then?, why not just post on a German forum in the German language and then you would certainly minimize the numbers of potential foreign visitors.
F :)
Hi Fred,
First of all I do not speak or write German very well. Yes, I am a tourist myself, although regularly in Germany for various of reasons.
Don't get me wrong here. My point is this: I support the exchange of information as much as possible for the serious punter as well as the occasional pleasure seeker. The problem however is when places such as Amsterdam etc. become tourist traps. I could lay out the economics of tourist traps as it is a well reasearched and documented field of study (would actually be fun to apply to P2P). It will result in overpriced items with bad service in most cases.
For those who go through the small trouble of studying where the good stuff is, great. Let the rest wander drunk in Amsterdam RLD or Prague Sex park. No need to drag them in while business is doing ok. It may start to happen if there will be too many clubs.
Don't want to sound to selfish, but then again, maybe I am ;-)
Chivaz
Fred,
Your Idea makes no financial sense.
The legality of clubs, and the way they still work well is based on them making money only from the entrance fees of the men and women and not getting involved in the transactions between them in the clubs. That means all they earn is the entrance fee.
Look at the guys on this and other boards, they are cheap. We all are. Are you going to pay 150 dollars a day for entrance plus a room? That would be on the low side to run the sort of hotel you are thinking of. will the customers pay extra for the movies and food and the like, or will they cheap out and expect it to all be provided by the club.
If you want to do that then you have to do it super exclusive on a secluded tropical island and get the $1,000+ a day set, and do a full on luixury all inclusive resort with 25 of the absolute top ladies you can find.
Hi Fred,
here is something that might come close to your dream place: [url]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/index.html[/url]
Never been there, but I think there are some reports on it on the Dominican Rep. section.
Chivaz
But to do it right you need an internationakl array of girls.
I just saw a TV report on Big Sister. That is one place you will definitely never find me!
I agree 100% with Chivaz and his sentiments. Fred, you have definitely missed the point here. Chivaz echos my opinion exactly: FKK is a good thing. If it works, don't fix it. Do not raise the profile of these fkks by broadcasting it in bright neon lights across the globe. Do not take a nice fish from a small pond and move it into the sea: it will die or severly change itself in order to survive in the new environment. Let those of us who have either done the homework or have the luck to otherwise find out about it enjoy it. And also have respect for the the cultural context in which we find the Germany fkks. They are part of the German culture, so if anyone wants to make them some kind of an international Vegas-like attraction, then let them call horny "geil" (i.e. be Germans).
When those of us non-Germans or non-residents of Germany venture into these FKKs we are very tourists; special interest tourists, mind you: sex tourists! We should approach the whole experience just as if we were backpackers travelling to, say, Crete and hiking down a gorge where we might meet local shepards with their goats. Or we might wander into a Greek village and enter a small church and start admiring frescoes on the wall. We notice in the back of the church some locals preying. How do we behave? We are respectfull. We and the locals share the experience of the church or the gorge, perhaps in different ways, from different perspectives.
That's how we non-Germans should, in my opinion, behave when we enter the German FKKs. We "tourists" are part of the mix; even local German men will agree we serve a purpose. Thus we are tolerated, even welcomed sometimes. But it is a German game and so we non-locals should all attempt to join in the fun but be as non-intrusive as possible. Dreaming of Sex Resorts with all these facilities might be nice for a laugh, but they are completely unrealistic.
FKK tourism needs low-impact, high appreciation. Let it grow on its own merits, it doesn't need any help from us...
You're right Peter, the girl selection there does not show much variety (and some of them have probably seen better days), but at least we can see that someone is trying to make this kind of business. But it is in D.R where labour is dirt cheap to run a resort like this. Wander if this would float in Germany?
They do not have free sex for showing your butt on the net though, but maybe it is a business opportunity the have missed :-)
Chivaz
in the Düsseldorf area it is not just a german game. At leat half the people at PHG and Goldentime come over the boarder from Holland or Belgium. But that and the Japanese who work in Düsseldorf and the Brits in the military are the only real foreigners.
Catering to repeat business from locals is what does the most to ensure good service.
I like your spelling mistake of praying as preying!
Tourists already present a large percentage of the patrons of FKK clubs. I would estimate about 35% total. Probably close to 80% during Messe and 10% at other times. The advantage of tourists is the fact they bring big bucks. Locals tend to be more cheap and sometimes abuse the girls. What matters to the girls is 1) how much money they can make; and 2) how easy they can make it off the customers. In most places like Amsterdam, there is not a way to screen out the true players from the lookers. Thus, the girls get alot of harrassment and assholes. Their defensive mechanism is to screw everyone--especially the tourists since they are easy prey. Look what happened to World when they had a free opening. Lots of lookers and people who expect sex for free. The reason the FKKs work is that bad providers get weeded out and good ones are rewarded. The FKK presents an ideal situation for them to work. Anything that increases the profits for the girls is good because it attracts better providers. But this must go along with the incentive of better pay for better service and no pay for poor service. Perhaps an open rating system for the girls along with the time they have worked!
Peter I am not saying that it will happen in Germany, but I believe there is a market for resort style brothels in Europe. Also Im sure this idea could be realized somwhere like the Czech Republic or the Spanish islands for well less than $1000 a day.
Infact when you think about it : There are almost no suitable holiday destinations for alone single men over the age of 30 in Europe. Even take sex out of it and it doesnt get better. If a single man over 30 goes to the Greek Islands or the Spanish coast for a weeks holiday alone, he stands out like a sore prick because hes older than most people and everybody else is in groups.
If there was such a resort in Europe I would go for sure, and I am in no doubt that there would be also huge numbers of visitors from the US. There are millions of singles guys over 30 out there, who would like the idea of spending a few days relaxing in an environment where they could have easy sex, relax and not feel out of place.
Chivaz Ive heard of blackbeards but Im not that gone on black women to be honest, and I am not really bothered with Thailand either, cos Im not that gone on Thai women.
European Blonde women are my thing...
Fred, you should seriously look at South America, especially Brazil and Argentina, the level of women over there is worlds above Europe. Latin Blondes are pretty amazing when you get a look at them. Over 30 is not a big deal over there. Obviously the Greek Islands and Spain tend to be for young people in their early 20's. Tourists are a common site at Frankfurt area brothels due to its international reputation as a European center of commerce but in the most of the Ruhr clubs, the vast majority of customers are locals. Very few girls in those parts have met a foreigner.
I just want to support the perceptive and wise posts from Ortos, Chivaz, and Akibono. Excellently stated. We must be careful not to degrade the FKK environnment we are visiting. The key I think is to treat the workers with respect and as real people. This approach wil limit the tendency of girls to drift towards the RLD attitude. We also need to make it clear that we understand the ethos of return visits to the same club etc. -that we are part of the culture not just ignorant interlopers
The atmosphere in FKK-clubs is going downhill already - at least in the three big clubs in the Rhein-Main-area.
It´s not the "tourists" responsibility, it´s the behaviour of a growing number of clients who live in Germany and feel superior to the women.
I don´t see any chance that this development might be stopped.
Enjoy the time left,
Novize
Hi Novize,
You are right, but until last Saturday at the Ibiza party, I had not seen this at World in such an explicit way (seen it at Oase quite a few times). It got to the point it was so damn obnoxius that I just left, not much else I could do.
Sunday was great though, and now I understand your preference for Sundays at World.
Chivaz
I think this development that Novize is talking about can be attributed to the oversupply of clubs. When there were fewer clubs and just as manya total customers, each club had plenty of guests. They knew they had to protect their capital, which was their girls. If the girls started seriously complaining about a guest, or if a group of guests got out of line, he was asked to leave, and sometimes asked never to come back.
Nowadays with many more clubs and not more customers (possibly less), the clubs are not really in a position to turn down customers.
I had a long talk with the manager of my favourite club. He realizes the old days aren't coming back, but he also does not want to compete at all costs. He is not interested in 19,90€ sessions and all the other things that might happen. I have seen him ask a customer or two politely to pay their bill in full, and not what they thought it was worth (people who went to the room for 58 minutes, came twice and basically brutalized the girl who then want to pay 50€). When the guy refused, he said, "no problem". Gave the girl the money out of his pocket, and told the customer to enjoy the rest of his stay, but that he would no longer be welcome there.
It is a shame that is not happening more. But with more clubs the ability to keep the club atmosphere free of annoying people will be tougher and tougher.
The only club I know of where there have never been problems is Schieferhof.
Talking of a way to run a club: Any news of Melanie finding a place for club? I was never so lucky to visit Beach while under her management, but from what I hear, she knows her trade.
Chivaz
Working girls rarely know how to run a club properly. There is a point to having empatrhy with the girls and knowing what they go through. But there are times when you have to be a man. The women only respect men in that sort of role. An ex-working girl is a great Madam or day manager at the club, but they are not that great in running the club.
Sometimes there is another side to the game. Like at the moment the talent level has generally dipped. world is full with Romanians, and that seems to be the only source of their women. PHG and Wildenrath (who both have the same owner) are noticing there are plenty of traditional eastern europeans in the game, but they have skimmed the best they can get out of polad, czech and those countries. They are on the lookout in Lithuania and estonia at the moment, because they are not really that present yet, and in Lithuania prostitution is illegal. They are also in contact with people in South america to do some recruiting.
And regarding the vacation resort. Go to any german travel agency ad ask for vacation destinations for the single over 30's, and there are tonnes of resorts catering to them in every price category. There are others for single parents. the whole spectrum is there. If you have any money then there are a couple of Robinson Clubs which are especially single friendly. An ex GF of mine went there once. She is 25, but has enough money. She said it was a little pathetic, tonnes of 40+ guys, and since she was the youngest there she was getting hit on by all of them.
The women 30-40 who were looking to get laid or meet a guy were hating her, because she was attracting all the men, even though she didn't want them.
This is a somewhat seedy underbelly which is necessary to do well in this business, and most ladies can't cut it.
I was able to visit three Frankfurt area clubs for the first time at the end of May and was surprised at the difference between them.
At Oase the girls were very pushy, but on the other hand they would get started on you almost anywhere - full sex in kino even. I found they generally had a bad attitude and the quality was between 4 and 7. One thing though, they had towels in abundance.
By contrast the girls at World were very laid back, standing or sitting around in groups. I was almost never propositioned by a girl. They would never start anything except in a room, except for a kiss in the kino. The quality was 4 to 7, and there was a major shortage of towels.
At Palace I found the best girls, averaging 6 to 8 or 9, with a mix of attitudes as you would expect. I had two visits here and there is an increasing trend to wearing mini skirts., and it was not a dressed-up day. The attitudes were more relaxed, kissing was encouraged. I had one great session (my last) with a Colombian girl and she deliberately left the curtains open for added spice! Be warned though - if you are a larger size be sure to ask for a large towel.
If you are staying in Frankfurt I would say to forget World and Oase and the long train and taxi rides, and spend your time at Palace.
Just one punter's opinion.
Pete
I can really only talk about World and Oase. I know for certain that the World staff will make a customer pay what he is supposed to - a month ago a customer was marched to his car to get money after he refused to pay for "extras" he had had. This is welcome - as Peter said it is part of enforcing standards.
In contrast when I complained at Oase (the only time I have ever complained at an FKK) I was met with total indifference and they implied I didn't know what I was doing - this can only encourage the girl concerned to continue to rip-off clients
Novize asks how we can stop any downward trend. The problems are perhaps due to oversupply and therefore more competition for money (meaning as Peter says that the girls need to have a harder edge to cut it) etc. The resulting high turnover of girls can lead to something of red light area attitude in soem girls. We can't do anything about that, apart from treat them like people and make sure we don't go with ones who only give 10 minutes sessions. The key to helping continue a proper FKK ethos is to make return trips to a club so the girls recognise you as a valued customer
Novize says "It´s not the tourists' responsibility, it´s the behaviour of a growing number of clients who live in Germany and feel superior to the women" - from Cordelia's experience this seems to be accurate - I was trying to say that as tourists we can do our bit. The girls quickly get to know any horrible customers and tend to avoid them - and of course if the horrible customers are frogmarched out as happens at World occasionally, they will not come back
I'm not pessimistic about the future - I remember being given poor service at Atlantis much more often than has happened on visits in the last six months to World, Oase and Palace.
Hi Shiatsu,
"I know for certain that the World staff will make a customer pay what he is supposed to"
Your are absolutely right about that, but that's about it in terms of protection. A guy can pretty must molest the girl in the room and get away with it. "What happens in the room happens in the room" as one girl put it. I am quite surprised how casually some girls can describe what I would think as horrifying experiences, they develop their internal protective mechanisms pretty fast I guess.
I am concerned about this for pretty selfish reasons because I hate going to a room with a girl and feeling her stress level as she has no idea how she will be treated, and the service level is according to that.
I don't want pimps for protection within the clubs, but I think management could be a little more concerned about the behaviour of some guests.
Chivaz
Here is what the management at World should do:
1. Install CCTV in all rooms.
2. Upon entry to the club, issue all guys with a utility belt, thats contains a battery pack, and also two wired remote controlled adhesive electrodes.
3. After putting clothes in lockers, guys will attach the electrodes to the testiciles.
4.If a client becomes abusive in the room, a 10 second electric shock will be administered by the person viewing the monitors.
No more problems
Isn't the club run by the Hell's Angels? I'm sure they know how to handle rough clientele. I wouldn't mind hiring them to deal with the concierge at the Steigenberger hotel, I stayed there last November, paid nearly 400 dollars for a room that was freezing cold. I should have known better to stay at the Intercity for a quarter of that, and could have spent the remaining 300 at a good club.
Hi Fred,
Your solution will only handle the nice ones that are not problem. The electric shock will only arouse the kinky ones :-)
One would still think that a club run by Hells angels or whatever would have some basic means of protecting the girls.
Chivaz
CBGB,
Do you delete all your posts?
The rest:
It is the job of club management to provide a good atmosphere for prostituion. Both from the perspective of the customer as well as the provider.
In order to ensure this they have to make sure that the price structure is clear and adhered to. That means stopping girls from overcharging or making up prices, or refusing service for the agreed upon house prices. It also means ensuring that all customers pay the full bill for their services. This should not be done with a detailed list and bill for each customer, but in case of arguments or misunderstandings they should step in and maintain order.
Should a customer continually try to cheat girls on their bill, he should be asked to permanently leave the club. The shame should apply for a girl who tries to cheat customers. Schieferhof has the "two complaint" rule. Two customer complaints within a reasonable time frame (about 3 months) and you are asked to leave the club. Some girls are dropped within a week, and others have been there for more than ten years. The earning potential and atmosphere in that club keeps the line long of girls wanting to work there.
Regarding the attitude of the guests and the girls outside and inside the room. The club should make sure that there are house rules that the girls follow which should seek to lessen the building of chat groups, where 5 girls sit in a corner talking to themselves and scaring the customers off. The girls should foster the atmosphere of interest and availability. If there are certain girls that continually disrupt this (everyone has a bad day) they should be removed. The same is for guests. If there are guests who get loud and beligerent, or in any other way make the place not comfortable for others, they should be asked to leave, perhaps even getting their entrance fee back to avoid unnecessary discussions. It used to be that many clubs weren't letting in groups of more than 4 men, and often groups of certain ethnic groups (also multiple people together) as they had a certifiable history of letting the group dynamic become unruly. One of these groups is white american soldiers, so it is not completely racial.
Then if it comes to "in room" stuff. The same needs to apply. If a customer complains about the girls service level, the girl should be called to give her side of the story (in private after the guest has left). If these reports become frequent, or if they are believeable, the club owner should investigate. Perhaps talking a regular guest to give the girl a try (maybe offer a money back guarantee) and see whether the service level is really below normal. I remember at Samya once I complained about a girl who would not kiss (I have pretty much perfect teeth and don't smoke, she just claimed that she never kisses). They said it was club standard, in the meantime they write it explicitly on the profile of each girl on the homepage. It is understood by all girls, if they don't accept it work someplace else.
If a girl comes into the office and complains about the treatment by a male customer (really rough or disrespectful), then the club should keep an eye on this customer with the CCTV in the public rooms (never CCTV in rooms, would not fly) and see who this guy goes to the room with for the next session. Immediately after the session take that girl into the office (say she has a phone call or something) and find out what the session was like. If the guy is definitely a rough guest, have the management of the club have a brief and polite (not threatening) word with him about what sort of respect the women deserve. Perhaps keep him under general observation, on this and future visits. If he does not change his way, throw him out of the club forever.
This is the way that clubs used to be run. I am talking about 2 or 3 years ago. I saw it a lot in Happy Garden, and Wildenrath, even PArkschloss Dali. It still is the case in Schieferhof, but I have never seen an incident there, and the regular customers know what all the rules are.
The problem has been the proliferation of clubs.
There are so many clubs, that they have to fight hard to get their share of the same number of girls, and the same number of guys. They are not in as strong a negotiation position, bioth with the girls and the guys.
When there were fewer clubs, the club could better afford to kick a girl out or bar a customer. Now, in order to stay in business they have to accept a lot more from both sides. The problem is it ruins the whole atmosphere of the club, and makes the experience bad for all involved.
I wish more clubs would do more to combat this problem.
Peter,
Excellent, this is just they way it should be run.
I actually sometimes wish CBGB would in fact delete all his post ;-) but then once in a while (every 100 post or so) there is something of substance.
On to another thing: Can any of you guys tell me a bit about Bad Nauheim as a place to hang for a few days. I was thinking of making that town my base camp for my next trip to the FRA area clubs.
Chivaz
I have a good idea for the Kinos at places such as World and Oase:
Instead of showing that crappy porn they have usually running, they should pay internet membership to the Big Sister club and show that in the Kino. Think about it, you are getting a bbbj in the Kino, and in another country is Fred having some free fun in Big Sister waving to us. We would of course wave back :-)
I think this would make the Kino experience much more fun and even get that dull World kino going.
LOL Chivaz :)
When I visited a small club in Bonn, a German client asked me about services in the US. I immediately gave this poor soul a very strong warning about American women aka Americunts, the worst women on the planet. I have been to nearly 36 different countries in virtually every region of the planet Earth, I told him from my experience, American women rank dead last. I told him that FKK type clubs do not exist in the US, and selling or buying a prostitute's services is a criminal act in virtually every county of the US and can get you in serious trouble. I told him that even if he found a woman, she would be subpar or too expensive, I remember New York call girls who would be merely average by FKK standards, charge nearly $1000US for a half hour( a half hour in New York is ten minutes in Dusseldorf), the really good ones are ridiculously expensive. I told him that I left the US and live in Australia, if he wanted something different, I told him to try out Australia if he wanted a different experience, and maybe also visit and shag some women in Singapore and Malaysia, those three places offer much better sex than the US, and a different alternative to Europe, as this German customer was bored and wanted something "different". I recommended a nice club in Sydney, which has views of the Opera House and Harbor, I told him he could look at the beautiful scenery while he was 69ing some Aussie blonde or an Asian babe. Remember, don't go to the US for pussy, I told him, go there for other things, wide open spaces, the right to own your gun, the opportunity to get rich, the right to say whatever you want, the best movie theaters and theme parks in the world, those things that America has that the world doesn't. I went on and told him that Frankfurt was an Orlando for pussy mongerers, and Palace, Oase, and World, like the Walt Disney World of Pussy. I think he got more depressed after I discouraged him. The US gets compared to the Roman Empire, yet the Romans had better pussy. I guess in light of things I am the American equivalent of Maximus Decimus Moridius, I love America but think American women are cunts, and am living in exile in the land down under, which has much better quality pussy than the US.
"Can any of you guys tell me a bit about Bad Nauheim as a place to hang for a few days. I was thinking of making that town my base camp for my next trip to the FRA area clubs."
Chivaz,
I don't know specifically why you are trying to avoid Frankfurt --perhaps because of traffic or hotel rooms too expensive or what-- but why do you specifically pick Bad Nauheim as an alternative accomodation base? Is it because of location between the various clubs you might visit?
Sometimes during large Messe events in Frankfurt, when hotel room prices there are just too over the top, I have taken refuge in Bad Homburg, which is well situated for Oase of course. But also just next to the A5 for World and a short jump for Palace in Frankfurt (A5 to A61 exit Hausen, etc.). Also BH has a nice atmosphere, lots of good restaurants (expensive, though), a good park, thermal baths, and a speilbank! A decent selection for hotels too...probably a stronger candidate than Bad Nauheim...
I've tried Nad Nauheim. Has the advantage of being near (if you have a car) to World and Oase. If you like architecture it has amazing spa buildings (Jugendstil I think but I could be completely wrong about the style - not my speciality), and it's only a few minutes from Butzbach with its lovely town square The Dolce hotel is good, but prices are only a little lower than Frankfurt. The downside is that it is not a big city. FD Roosevelt spent holidays there with his parents, and Elvis Presley was also connected with the place
Hi Ortos and Shiatsu,
The reason I ask is that I will probably be there 26-29 August, and there is messe in Frankfurt. I checked out Bad Homburg, and it seems they are running on the messe rate at the time. From looking on a map, I noticed Bad Nauheim as convenient for its proximity to World as well as Frankfurt, and I found a very reasonable priced hotel there that looks to be ok.
My plans only include World at this time in terms of FKK, but might spring by Oase just to check things out. As I will have to do at least 2 trips into Frankfurt centre, I want to place myself somewhere in the middle between World and Frankfurt. Any other suggestion?
Chivaz
If you have a car I don't think it makes much difference - as long as you stay near the autobahn. Bad Nauheim, Butzbach, or any other town around there. The difference is no more than 10 minutes - any problems are likely to come at the Frankfurt end (south of Bad Homburg) if you are travelling at peak times.
If you are going into FFM centre maybe train might work best at busy times of day?
Check out [url]www.lust-agent.de[/url]
Some really helpful information about FKK's, Partytreff and escorts in Germany.
Pretty updated details with address and contact numbers.
If anyone finds some site with FKK or Partytreff pictures do share
Shit, I forgot to JUST IGNORE HIM
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]When I visited a small club in Bonn, a German client asked me about services in the US. I immediately gave this poor soul a very strong warning about American women aka Americunts, the worst women on the planet. I have been to nearly 36 different countries in virtually every region of the planet Earth, I told him from my experience, American women rank dead last. I told him that FKK type clubs do not exist in the US, and selling or buying a prostitute's services is a criminal act in virtually every county of the US and can get you in serious trouble. I told him that even if he found a woman, she would be subpar or too expensive, I remember New York call girls who would be merely average by FKK standards, charge nearly $1000US for a half hour( a half hour in New York is ten minutes in Dusseldorf), the really good ones are ridiculously expensive. I told him that I left the US and live in Australia, if he wanted something different, I told him to try out Australia if he wanted a different experience, and maybe also visit and shag some women in Singapore and Malaysia, those three places offer much better sex than the US, and a different alternative to Europe, as this German customer was bored and wanted something "different". I recommended a nice club in Sydney, which has views of the Opera House and Harbor, I told him he could look at the beautiful scenery while he was 69ing some Aussie blonde or an Asian babe. Remember, don't go to the US for pussy, I told him, go there for other things, wide open spaces, the right to own your gun, the opportunity to get rich, the right to say whatever you want, the best movie theaters and theme parks in the world, those things that America has that the world doesn't. I went on and told him that Frankfurt was an Orlando for pussy mongerers, and Palace, Oase, and World, like the Walt Disney World of Pussy. I think he got more depressed after I discouraged him. The US gets compared to the Roman Empire, yet the Romans had better pussy. I guess in light of things I am the American equivalent of Maximus Decimus Moridius, I love America but think American women are cunts, and am living in exile in the land down under, which has much better quality pussy than the US.[/QUOTE]
Iseeu,
Lay off CBGB, his posts in the last few months have been very constructive. I see nothing wrong witht he one you copied.
If you are going to both Oase and World, I would stay in Gissen. It is far enough away not to be affected by the Messe and you can always drive down to World.
[QUOTE=Chivaz]Hi Ortos and Shiatsu,
The reason I ask is that I will probably be there 26-29 August, and there is messe in Frankfurt. I checked out Bad Homburg, and it seems they are running on the messe rate at the time. From looking on a map, I noticed Bad Nauheim as convenient for its proximity to World as well as Frankfurt, and I found a very reasonable priced hotel there that looks to be ok.
My plans only include World at this time in terms of FKK, but might spring by Oase just to check things out. As I will have to do at least 2 trips into Frankfurt centre, I want to place myself somewhere in the middle between World and Frankfurt. Any other suggestion?
Chivaz[/QUOTE]
Do any of the FKKs have a private or semi-private whirlpool/hot tub where you can have foreplay with the ladies? I've been to Atlantis and Palace, and neither seemed to have one.
Thanks in advance.
Bruce,
There a quite a few places with what you are looking for.
At Wildenrath there are two rooms upstairs which have double tubs with some whirlpool jets. I haven't seen them used in a long time, and there is no water in them, but it can be filled. I think a girl told me it is 25€ extra to use the tub in those rooms.
goldentime has one or two rooms with a similar tub as well, I know there is an upcharge as well
I don't think that Happy Garden does, but I might be wrong.
Babylon does to the best of my recollection.
Schieferhof has such a tub room as well, but there is an additional charge which is either 25 or 50€.
I thought there were two rooms with this at World as well.
Otherwise I have seen a lot of people get pretty up close and personal in the public whirlpools in Oase, World, Atlantis and Goldentime.
[QUOTE=Bruce Ley]Do any of the FKKs have a private or semi-private whirlpool/hot tub where you can have foreplay with the ladies? I've been to Atlantis and Palace, and neither seemed to have one.[/QUOTE]There is a room with a private whirpool in saunaclub Yin Yang in Roermond (Netherlands, not far from the german border en from goldentime). I think there is no extra charge but the minimum time for using this room is 1 hour.
I don't know another fkk with such a facility. I was already in Oase, Palace, World, Goldentime, PHG and Samya and never heard about a private whirlpool in a room.
Stano,
In World it is in the room on the upper floor just before the stairs that go downstairs.
In goldentime it is in the room behind the Movie Theatre. Seen both rooms with the whirlpool tub quite clearly, and knwo that they exist.
The one at Schieferhof the girls have to ask at the counter whether they can use that room (the middle one downstairs) if it is without the whirlpool upcharge, but only if all the other rooms are full.
Park Schloss Dali in Marsberg (middle of nowhere, but good club) also has whirlpool rooms.
Apology for being off topic but has anyone been or has info about FKK-Bluenote?
[url]www.saunabluenote.de[/url]
From the site looks like a kool place and some nice girls.
Please do share info about service and price structure.
I nearly went to that club last fall while I was in Deutschland, the Turkish cab driver who took me there insisted I go to Dolce Vita which in his opinion is a better club than Blue Note. I wound up going to DV, and it was a terrible experience, it only took 3 short years for the quality of women to drop and the facilities to fade. The saunas were broken, the showers barely worked, the moment you turned the knob you would be hit with a hard blast of lukewarm water. Still there are other good clubs in that region. Better to go to further to Krefeld and go to PHG, or go to Cologne and try out Samya or Mondial(which I believed reopened in December after extensive renovation). I spent some time walking the streets of Dusseldorf around the Hbf, took note of the fact that German polizei now well armed, some areas that looked nicer and more vibrant in the past, looked faded, for some reason, some parts of Dusseldorf reminded me of photos of Depression era Brooklyn, a construction worker in an imbiss made a very bleak prediction for what will happen in Germany in a decade(In zehn jahr, krieg im Deutschland), alluding to the growing disaparity between rich and poor Germans will lead to a civil war in Germany in a decade. The Euro, the war in Iraq, and 9-11 really transformed the Europe I used to remember in the past, the one that I used to idealize, seems as if the conflicts in the Mideast are bringing back some dark memories of the past in Europe. Went to my hotel, played a DVD of my old love(who was lost to this brutal world) on a vacation with me during happier times, and with a tear in my eye, took a drink of brandy and went to sleep, hoping to go to another, better world.
Most of my mates will never make it to an FKK club, but they are curious since I have been,
I wonder are there any videos or DVDs available, either porn movies that may have been shot in the clubs or some sort of documentries???
Ok i found something, anyone seen this?
[url]http://www.**********.com/videos/vxfkkr.html[/url]
[url]http://www.dexterh*rn.com/videos/vxfkkr.html[/url]
replace the * with an o
[QUOTE=Sesameking]Apology for being off topic but has anyone been or has info about FKK-Bluenote?
[url]www.saunabluenote.de[/url]
From the site looks like a kool place and some nice girls.
Please do share info about service and price structure.[/QUOTE]This is one of the very best clubs in Düsseldorf!
Good Luck,
Nicklas123
Just go to bigsister.com. It's a fkk in Prague with videos so you can see the action. Good example of a FKK for someone who is too timid or prudish to venture out.
FM,
That does look pretty accurate, and it was definitely filmed in te outdoor pool area of Atlantis.
I hate that site, but apparently they have managed a DVD.
SK,
Although I like the whistful ramblings of CBGB on this, I have actually been to Blue Note a couple of times. The reasons a turkish cab driver would take CBGB (Who says he is partially turkish himself) to DV is because pretty much 90% of the customers at DV are Turkish, and they probably offer the highest bonus for cab drivers for bringing people there. DV is generally a piece of crap, and I will not be going back there for quite some time.
Blue Note is probably the best club in the city of Düsseldorf. It has pricing more like a real fkk. Entrance is 55€ (plus 5€ refundable deposit for the key) and then each 30 minute session is 30€. They also have appartments where you can get a girls for 115€ for an hour, and then you are not in the club. This club is the easiest one to reach by public transit from downtown. I think it is like 15 minutes from Jan Wellen Platz on the 712 or 706. I forgot which one.
My current top love in any club works there, but she is one of the ones without a picture on the homepage. Her name is Annette and she is a 23 year old Polish blonde who could be the prettiest girl working in a club anywhere in Germany. Her service is excellent too, but we really get along, and she remembered me well even though there was 6 months between my visits. I have also been with Nicole the Hungarian who is pictured. She has amazing tits, and is otherwise rather attractive, but not gorgeous.
The atmosphere of the place is a bit like a dentist office, adn the place has no facilities for hanging out. The rooms don't have real doors, and I think the music is too loud in the rooms, but if you are stuck in Düsseldorf without a car, it is the easiest place to get to.
They are celebrating their 10 year anniversary at the moment and have 39€ entrance, so you save 16€.
Akibono,
Bigsister is not an FKK club, Ive been there several times now and its a regular czech brothel that happens to be online, and the only real advantage is you can fuck for free.
But it just does not compare at all to say FKK Palace, the performances of the girls and the general athmosphere are way inferior. Also the girls are all clothed in the bar area.
Ive posted several reports in the Prague section about Big sister. I would not bother even going to Big sister If i had to pay, but for free its great.
Peter's info as usual is mostly right on the money. I was there for a few hours in the early evening about 6 weeks ago. Club is ok, but if you're used to regular FKK quantity and quality, and level of facilities, you won't find it here. It's main advantage is accessibility. IMO, better to rent a car and head out to one of the big 3, all 30- 40 minutes driving from D-dorf or a local party treff.
One clarification- the 10th year anniversary 30% discount is only available on weekends.
BTW- the Big Sister website is [url]www.xxxxxxxxx.net[/url] and not xxx.com
I typically spend about a total four months of the year traveling around the world, usually dividing the time between Europe, South America, and Asia, and a rare visit back to the sex deprived superpower, the United States of America, my old home. Two months are dedicated strictly to pleasure travel, and the rest business. When I am in Germany I tend to mix both business and pleasure but this is not the case elsewhere for some strange reason, I guess I know more about Germany's adult entertainment offerings than anywhere else. Its was a Californian by the name of Eric Dexter who introduced me to the FKK hobby, since then he has now changed his focus from Germany to Thailand and Brazil. As far as sex is concerned I prefer European and South American ladies over Asians, I remember at Babylon it was the opposite, there were guys waiting in line to fuck a Thai who was working there, while I paid her no attention, told the guys in the club they would find plenty of Asian totty in Oceania. I prefer more voluptuous and luscious European and Latin women, some of the Middle Eastern women in Germany(the Turks, Persians, and Arabics) look very Latin looking btw.
CBGBConnisur
what business are you in?
CBGB,
Was that on the old CFIT tours?
Yep, Eric Dexter himself of ********** introduced me to the FKK hobby, the last time I went, Eric traveled to Germany taking tourists about 6 times a year. His enthusiasm though for the FKK scene faded, now he goes to Thailand and Brazil, which are his new favorites. I think his old partner still promotes the FKK tours.
I have visited a number of RLD's all around the world. It seems CBJ's are almost a norm in most places and CIM almost a no no. But I am really surprised how BBBJ and CIM and more have survived in FKK set up (almost 90% of girls do it). Why would girls come to FKK when they can be safer elsewhere. Once an FKK lady asked me after a CIM whether I had been tested for HIV. I hastened to tell her that she should have asked this question before taking my tool in her mouth or even before taking the cum in!
Are there unwritten ruls within FKK setups when girls come in to work which makes them agreeable to do the risky BBBJ or CIM I wonder? When I can make the same amount of money in Sudfass or RLD and be safe why would I come to work in an FKK. Any thoughts?
While it is what keeps me comingh to FKKs I am very curious?
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Yep, Eric Dexter himself of ********** introduced me to the FKK hobby, the last time I went, Eric traveled to Germany taking tourists about 6 times a year. His enthusiasm though for the FKK scene faded, now he goes to Thailand and Brazil, which are his new favorites. I think his old partner still promotes the FKK tours.[/QUOTE]
from your comments about race, you sound a little insecure. this is germany and these are escorts. anyone will overlook your race for 200 eur an hour. perhaps you should try counseling. there are several support groups in berlin that offer support for people with low self esteem.
[quote=tripod]just to weigh in on this, i spent 18 months in germany recently due to being called up for active military duty. i fell in love with the place. i am african american and i felt completely at home in germany. overall, the germans treated me better than most of the white americans i had to interact with over there. i also saw more interracial couples (german women & african american soldiers) than i have seen anywhere else. i never visited a fkk club but i did visit a few euro centers. i got rejected by a few girls but there were many more girls who were more interested in my money than the color of my skin. in short, the germans just don't have that many hang ups whether it be speed limits, drinking, smoking, nudity, pornography or sex. that's why germany is such a great place (especially in the summertime; germans girls and bicycles-you can't beat that type of scenery!). if you're a man on the prowl, germany is the closest thing to paradise.[/quote]
1. Tripod and Guy 2. I thought Tripod was reasonable to simply report that he had been rejected - but it might not necessarily have been because of race. Guy 2 rightly suggests that sometimes the assumption that rejection is because of race is wrong. On the other hand some girls are definitely very racist - as a white man I have heard it from them - usually the worst comments are for gypsies, then Turks, then Black people. So sometimes rejection will be because of racist attitudes
2 Safety. There have been many discussions about the safety of BBBJ and CIM. The assessment of risk is difficult but so far as HIV is concerned the risk is I believe theoretical rather than actual. Other diseases can be dealt with quite quickly. If I were a girl I would be more worried about the health risks associated with using condoms for intercourse all the time (just to be clear I am not suggesting that they should not be used - the health consequences of not using condoms are much much more serious).
So far as I know, it is very rare for a frequent visitor to FKKs to pick up an infection. I think visiting an FKK is much less risky than driving to work every day.
From a girl's point of view the FKK may be a much pleasanter environment to work in than RLD
Perhaps to amplify on Shiatsu's remarks: On my recent FKKW romp it had 22 sessions in five visits during a two week span. Granted that I gave some girsl repeat business, I still had sex with more than 10 different girls. These girls, in turn, have sex with an average of ... I don't know ... maybe six to over ten guys in a single shift. This makes for tight connections between everybody on the forum. I have sex with a girl who has sex with a guy who has sex with another girl who has sex with ... yes, you! This short connection with two girls and one other guy in between can probably be established somehow between me and whoever reads this and has ever had sex in FKKW. Or between any tow arbitrary guys. And with most regular posters the pairwise connection is even tighter, because many of us have humped the same girl, say Andrea.
Add to this DFK, BBBJ, CIM, DATY (21 out of 22 sessions for me, only exception Julia), and one can only come up with one conclusions: FKKW or any similar of the high-class clubs must be a pretty clean place. Health controls by the "authorities" and frequent washing (I shower after EVERY encounter :), but I learned that certainly not all girls do :( ) must be doing the job. Otherwise we'd all be carrying some desease.
euro
I hate to burst your bubble, but a friend of mine, who is a US Marine, and of Mexican descent, couldn't keep the ladies off of him when he was in Germany. Women left and right flocked to him and treated him like a superstar, its something he knows he wouldn't receive back home. I don't think most West German women are racist. Some Eastern Europeans are very racist, its mostly the Poles and the Czechs. Then again some Eastern European women aren't particularly the Russians and Bulgarians.
Kuber,
The girls cannot earn nearly as much money in Sudfass or RLD's because most of the customers have gone to the RLD's. In RLD's you start at 30€, and you have to pay over 100€ a day room rental. There it is all about ripping guys off, and most of the guys have realized this in the meantime. There are some FKK girls that used to RLD, and they moan about how they now actually have to perform for their money. there are getting to be too many FKK's, but they still have more customers willing to spend money than the other alternatives.
Germany has the 8th lowest prevalence of aids (as a percentage) of any country in the world (according to CIA factbook, among 169 countries), so the risk of HIV is slight. Gonnorhea can also be had orally, but that is basically a cycle of Cipro and it is gone.
Supply and demand is the reason. Guys flock to where they get good service at a fair price. Hence it is where girls can earn a decent living too. The atmosphere and the calibre of the average customer is also way above the RLD room scene. She can feel more like a sex goddess than a store keeper sitting in her doorway. The itneraction with the guests can be a lot more natural too.
Girls out to make money by offering no service and making money by ripping guys off will never feel comfortable in an FKK, but who wants those girls anyway.
The AIDS statistic is calculated among German nationals and permanent residents. I believe Germany requires any foreign nationals living in the country to get a medical exam from a local doctor including a chest x-ray and an HIV test. I'm not sure if this is enforced because a friend of mine got a residency permit without it. Germany's HIV infection rate is lower than the USA, you're six times more likely to get infected in America than in Germany, interesting because I find it easier to get a German woman to spread her legs for me than American, its a lot easier, German women seem to be a lot more open about sex.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I believe Germany requires any foreign nationals living in the country to get .... an HIV test. [/QUOTE]
That's bullshit. In Germany nobody can be forced to have a HIV-test done.
Hessen Bub
Would someone let me know the nearest FKK near Arnhem and Nijmegen please. I know Yin Yang is close by but are there any german clubs.
"Would someone let me know the nearest FKK near Arnhem and Nijmegen please. I know Yin Yang is close by but are there any german clubs."
If you take the ICE train that runs from Amsterdam CS to Duisburg via Arnhem (3rd stop out of CS) then you can easily access PHG outside Krefeld.
Get off ICE at Duisburg, then S-bahn to Krefeld Hbf, then taxi to PHG at Oedt.
FKK GoldenTime outside Brueggen is also not far away.
I received a pm this morning concerning Alena. She was angry that someone (so far she doesn´t know who) wrote about her on the Internet.
Another client had told her that he had information about her from the internet.
Please, guys, don´t mention information you received from here towards the girls. Those who write might have to argue with the girls and lose some nice mongering opportunities if the girls can identify the source of information!
If you can´t keep your mouth closed about this forum and the reports, you will force us not to write anymore and keep the information for ourselves!
And in the end this would be of no good for anyone.
Have fun,
Novize
Funny, because last year I had this stunningly beautiful and tall (182 cm) Lithuanian blonde practically plead with me to include a positive report about her and her services. Different strokes for different girls.
It is never a good idea to let girls know you have anything to do with the internet. At my home club there are some girls who still won't go to the room with me because they heard I write on the internet. I have pretty much retired from the german sites, and I rarely write in as much detail as I used to, but still a tonne of girls are deathly afraid of the internet. DO NOT MENTION ANY FORUMS, EVER!
Toki Joe,
YingYang is about 20 km from Wildenrath, which is another 20 KM from Goldentime, and that is another 20 KM from Happy Garden. I think if oyu go across the border at Nijmegen that you are close to Dorsten, where Heavensgate FKK is, but check out Kaleu's list.
I only know big towns, my geography isn't that great.
Novize,
Thanks for bring this important message to public attention. Each of us has his/her own view on things and how we deal with writing reports and mixing our visits to FKKs with our presence on the Internet.
I personally hold these two principles as paramount:
1) Never, ever reveal to any FKK girl that you are even aware of the Internet or read, post or participate in any way in Message Boards about FKKs. It stands to reason that if you just ignore the fact that there is an Internet whilst in the FKKs and whilst sessioning, then you will never have a problem. I just don't talk about the Internet with the girls, so it never becomes an issue.
2) At the same time, when I do participate in Internet chat about FKKs, esp. when I write reports about my experiences with specific girls, I make it a point to be specific about who I am writing about, so that others who have been there can share in the recognition of the subject matter, and those who have not been there, but might go in the future, know exactly who the fuck I am talking about. That stands for positives, negatives and in betweens. I personally abhor the use of cryptic descriptions and anagrams that only one or two or a few may know. I just steer clear of them.
I firmly believe in brutal honesty and exposure in these reports. But that does not contradict my policy of just not revealing to the girls that I am participant in Internet chat about them. Each of these principles compliments the other. Any girl in an FKK who does not think that they will be spoken about amongst fellow monger groups, or written about on the Internet in the same fashion, is naive. I respect the fact that some of the girls may not like. But it is a fact of their professional lives. If they have such a problem with it, they must find another vocation. It is par for the FKK course that there will be reports. But if we individual reporters stand together and do not reveal our Internet participation and personas to these girls there should, theoretically, be no problems...
Just to add to the recent comments. Peter, Ortos, and Novize are dead right
Some of the girls do read the posts - here and in the German forums. And a nice post will cheer them up, a bad report might make them think about the level of their service. As do the managements of clubs. I am convinced that some changes at clubs have been partly influenced by criticism they read on the forums
My rule is never never mention the internet to girls. Sometimes however they ask about the posts written about them and if they are pleased with the idea then, if I know the girl well, I will talk about it a little in broad terms but this is a fine matter of judgement.
The dangers are that some wsg members may talk in detail. Mongers at FKKW some time ago told some girls who I am and what my wsg name is - this means that I can no longer post effectively about individual girls since when I go back they will know exactly what I have said and who I am, This illustrates the point Novize made - that if monger said indiscreet the forum postings will be detrimentally affected. This is why my posts are usually not in detail about girls and why I do not always post after visits any more to FKKWorld
Hi,
We have an incredibly unfair advantage by using this forum and exchanging informationon individual girls and their performance. Imagine if the girls had a forum where they can rate our performance in the sack!
I have seen an instance where someone actually printed out a report from this forum and brought it into FKKW. This has got to be a dumb move. Of course the girls are going to get upset, in particular if something negative is said about them. Now imagine that they also know who said this! This would effectively prevent us from posting any useful information on this forum. Shiatsu is almost at this point at FKKW, as he just stated. Since he and Cordelia are so easily identified by the girls, he is not anonymous any more. So Shiatsu could have a big problem, if all the girls knew his forum name.
As far as I am concerned, I do not admit to any girl that I know of this or any other forum. If I look for someone, like I did a couple of weeks ago in my search for Ramona, I always say that a friend recommended that I find her. This is much safer in the long run.
cheers
euro
Shiatsu,
Interesting stuff, eh?
Reading what you say: "Mongers at FKKW some time ago told some girls who I am and what my wsg name is - this means that I can no longer post effectively about individual girls since when I go back they will know exactly what I have said and who I am..."
This got me thinking:
--Did you ever consider changing your name or "handle" here? Would that inprove your ability to function on this forum with more anonimity?
--Do you feel more uninhibited to write brutally detailed and honest reprots if you visit, say, Palace or Oase instead of World?
About writing reports though: There is no right or wrong or "best way" to deal with your FKK particiaption and reporting it on the Internet. Each person will have his/her own take. I only know what works for me: I make no mention, reference or pretense about the Internet to the girls. If they bring it up I feign complete ignorance of these forums. I just don't see how it helps my cause for any girl to know I post on the net...
Ortos
Peter; maybe you can help me since you seem to have great experience, and don't mind offering logical and helpful advice. I get over to Germany a few times a year and have to go to the Koblenz area. Since I am only there a few days each time and have good success with Oase I migrate back each time. In September I am going over for a week and I have seen several posts about the Starlight girls which is close to Oase. Is it worth going to? Is it like Oase; meaning similiar to an FKK?
Any advice you could give to me would be great. Thanks,
Jaw4You
J4U
I am not the one to ask about Starlight ladies '(Novize is), never been and I was never even a Melissa fan when she was at Atlantis, not my type. It is definitely not like an FKK, it is more of an appartment set up from what I hear. If you want to spend a day lounging and fucking, go to an FKK.
The only thing that I can tell you is that more Koblenz License plates can be found at Sauna World in Gorgeshausen, which is about 30 minutes less drive from Koblenz. The club is very nice and cosy, and from what I hear there are currently 10 women working on most days. I used to go to this club quite a bit, because it was a real "feel good" club. It has had ups and downs since, but is worth a shot.
But Starlight is no comparison to a huge FKK like Oase.
€100,
I always wished there were a forum where the women critiqued the performance of men. It would really give insights into what these women think, and what is a good and bad customer.
[QUOTE=Peter]€100,
I always wished there were a forum where the women critiqued the performance of men. It would really give insights into what these women think, and what is a good and bad customer.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I agree with this one. I would really like to know sometime what the girl honestly think of my performance. If the girls could post anonymously and we could learn from our mistakes, that would be great. If I could see what worked and what really did not work, that would be fantastic. After all, they can fake it, and we cannot :( If the condom is empty, all acting is in vain. They know.
But how would you like it if there were physical descriptions and unique identifiers of you on the web that would allow girls to judge what to expect from you. How about a comment like "Avoid this guy, because he is holding back coming until the 29th minute!", or "He is a bad tipper and alwasy want to spend extra time with you after the business is done."? And what if the other girls then would actually avoid you? (Just to avoid bad blood: I am of course not actually speaking of you , but I am speaking hypothetically.)
euro
[QUOTE=Peter]J4U
I am not the one to ask about Starlight ladies '(Novize is), never been and I was never even a Melissa fan when she was at Atlantis, not my type. It is definitely not like an FKK, it is more of an appartment set up from what I hear. If you want to spend a day lounging and fucking, go to an FKK.
I've been reading rumours that Melanie (not Melissa!!!), the ex-Oase and ex-Atlantis Polish/German girl behind Starlight (the Private Apartment set-up) in a suburb of Bad Homburg --not far from Oase, btw), is finally reaching her goal of opening a new FKK club. If these rumours are correct --and they seem to be solidifying based on new info supplied by Novize (see his post in "Other FKKs" thread-- the new club, called "Malibu" will be opening in about two weeks on 5th August. The location is in Nidderau, north of Frankfurt, not far from where the former Atlantis used to be... There will probably be some ex-FKK girls as well as some new talent. We await reports about this new club during the second week of August.
Ortos
It's not FKK-Land, but you know there is an interesting site in Scotland where there is a good interchange between girls and customers, where you can in fact get quite a good impression of what girls sometimes think. (And in a few cases you could, I reckon, make a good judgment on whether an escort might be reliable, good fun etc. or not.)
[url]http://www.puntingscotland.co.uk/phpBB2/index.php?sid=5297e71dc80d302add0be8d44873b11a[/url]
They don't exactly post performance reports, but there are for example specific warnings about bad clients. Interesting stuff. The FKK population is too transient and the inevitable language barriers make such a site unlikely in German clubs.
Maybe someone else could post if they have found similar sites.
But specific reports on me? Could you make sure I'm not on the list of volunteers for that please? :-)
With the new Malibu-club opening on August 5th you can meet the Starlight-Ladies for half of the apartment-price there. I think it will be the better choice... ;)
I would assist Peter´s suggestion to visit Saunaworld. You can have a first look at the club on
[url]www.sauna-world.info[/url] (english version available)
Have fun,
Novize
Thanks to everyones advice and comments. I will make my decision prior to my arrival and whatever I decide (FKK or S.L. or maybe both) I will report my experience back to all those who have helped.
Can anyone tell me if bareback sex is available in German FKK clubs? Are non-Germans treated differently in that regard? I have heard it rumored that "alles ohne" is available in some clubs. Is this true? Can anyone provide some info about this? (My conversational German is is bit rusty, but passsable!)
Japan,
Througout my first 15 or so FKK visits (all Wiago, Oase or World) I assumed bareback was totally non-existent.
Well, that changed. I had the chance to do it at least once at World and was barely able to stop myself. I had penetrated for a few thrusts and she was far from objecting. But I came to my senses (i.e. thought of my wife) and pulled out. Later I gently asked the provider about it and she said "But I don't, only with you this time." Hmm.
Another occasion, different girl, I am almost certain she was amenable to bareback after some rubbing/partial penetration accompanied by an encouraging look.
To be clear: in both cases, bareback was not offered explicitly as an "extra." I believe the practice is (correctly!) strongly discouraged and is NOT on the regular menu. Also in both cases, I had developed a little "relationship" with the girl (or whatever you can develop by being nice to them over a couple visits) and had apparently succeeded in getting her aroused.
I never again met a provider where I sensed this would be an option. So I doubt you will have much luck by asking around. You probably won't make yourself very popular with that request either.
Be careful, it's not worth it. I suspect the desire is at least partly related to self-destructive urges, as opposed to just pleasure seeking, but that's for another forum. In fact I feel a little sick to my stomach just thinking about it again as I write this.
[QUOTE=Japan]Can anyone tell me if bareback sex is available in German FKK clubs? Are non-Germans treated differently in that regard? I have heard it rumored that "alles ohne" is available in some clubs. Is this true? Can anyone provide some info about this? (My conversational German is is bit rusty, but passsable!)[/QUOTE]
You are a fool to engage in unprotected sex. The risk is just not worth it. If a girl is willing to have sex w/o protection, she has done it with hundreds of people. In a FKK that is the equivalent to having sex with hundreds of thousands of people. Thus, the risk is very high of catching something. The usual nasties include herpes (no cure) and hepatis (C is very nasty). The risk of HIV is low but not neglible.
Protect yourself and the health of the girls. Anyone who knows a girl offering unprotected sex should report her to the management. The last thing we need is an epidemic and a reason to close the clubs down. Oral w/o is already a significat risk.
Bareback is retarded!
I was offered it recently at a club and was appalled. The club is frequented by a lot of men over 60, so the girls think that provides some safety, but a lot of these men over 60 also go to thailand, where some horrible strains of Gonnorhea that cannot be treated with normal antibiotics go around rampantly.
The only club that was openly offering and advertising it is Freudenbergstrasse 38 (Next door to 39). But given that there is only one club out there offering it, those girls must be walking cess pools to be up for it. Go, get aids, and die! best of luck to you on that! Stupid fuck!
Clubs do not encourage this. After all it could ruin its reputation and its business
The club I know best is very strict on getting the girls who go there tested every few months. And on getting them treated for any infections. I guess this is one of the reasons the girls sometimes take unexpected "holidays"
The pressure from men for girls not to use a condom can be considerable. There are some men who refuse to go with any girl who uses a condom. However sometimes they get so many refusals that they leave without sessioning, and after having had rows with the girls. The management supports the girls in such cases. Such men tend to look for the inexperienced girls and occasionally persuade them.
I never ask for this myself so I don't know how hard it is to get, but I have never been offered it. It is simply not worth the risk to myself - if a girl did it with me then she presumably could be doing it with over 1000 men a year, each of whom might have had another 10 unprotected sex sessions in the same year, each of whom might have unprotected sex with other men. if you have unprotected sex with one person you could in effect be having sex with tens of thousands of others - any one of could have HIV. And how would you feel if you infected someone with HIV?
Alles ohne is a service that is offered very often by Hungarian women in Austria. You honestly have a better chance of staying healthy playing Russian roulette than with fucking a prostitute without a condom. I have rarely heard about this in FKK clubs, I have had threesomes on several occasions with ladies at FKKs and after I fucked one girl the second girl fucked me with the same condom, she could have thereby gotten some kind of pathogen from other woman's pussy, that could have come from another guy that she fucked. Women in a lot other places won't do bbbjs, I know a few FKK women who won't do it on men they don't know, especially at DV.
For those who don't know there are two strains of HIV, HIV-I and HIV-II. In the US, Canada, and Australia, physicians only test you for HIV-I. I believe this is the same in Germany. So in theory you could have HIV-II and get a negative HIV test from your doctor, you also have to take the test at least 6 months after any exposure for it to be accurate. HIV-II, is a strain found in Africa, there are some African girls working in FKKs, often Moroccan or Tunisian, be really careful doing any bareback with them.
I've been offered without two times, once at World and once at Oase. Did of course object and had quite a long discussion about it the second time with the girl. Both times it was like a way for the girl to show some kind of affection or some shit like that. "I would have sex with you without condom if you like" one said to me at Oase once and said it in a way it was the ultimate complement or something weird like that. I have never been offered it as a menu item with some price attached though.
Don't PM me or ask about which girls. I will not disclose their names.
Had a condom break once and did not notice the break until I came into her (well, she noticed it then, and I was made aware with a series of "Sheisse, sheisse...." from her). Was scared shitless for couple of weeks and don't want to repeat that crap.
Chivaz
All the talk here is about STDs as it should, but can paternity suits in German family courts force you to take a DNA test like they do here in the US?
Don't be a fool, wrap your tool!
Sorry, but I cannot believe someone was asking if he could get sex w/o condom at FKKs! I mean, are you really naive, or you have already infected with AIDS or other disease, so you are trying to infect some others!?
Now, I am scared. I know those girls are supposed to be tested, but is this really true? I heard that no one is enforcing.
Peace,
Y
If you value your own life don't have sex with a stranger without a condom.
Japan, you have been slapped around enough already. I hope you got the message.
But, fellows, there are many guys like Japan out there. A few of the girls I frequent often have all told me the same story: maybe a quarter of the guys request to do it without a condom. Certain nationalities seem to be prone to request this more often than others, according to the girls.
Bareback happened to me once, without me noticing. Sound weird? Let me explain. It was in BHH, and we went throught the standard uncovered foreplay and BBBJ. Then we put the raincoat on and went through many positions. Then she asked me if I wanted to complete in her mouth. Yes! We did true 69, and somehow she got really aroused. I had had a few too many of the special birthday cocktail that the owner served that night, and I was not thinking to clearly any more. Next thing I knew, she was riding me again, and it did not take here very long to come, too. Only when I pulled out I saw that there was no condom on me. Boy, I can tell you the shock of seeing him unprotected in this situation sobers you up in a hurry. I have not gotten drunk in an FKK ever since.
For several weeks after that encounter I was very worried that I might have caught something. Luckily this did not happen. But I do not want to bet my life on being lucky the next time again.
The girl of that night does not work at BHH any more. I don't know what happened to her. I am hoping that she did not catch something from some guy. Because if she did it with me, there sure were others, too.
Stay safe, don't go bareback
euro
Thanks very much for the info--you have collectively pretty much answered most of my questions.
I disagree as to the extent of potential absolute dangers of BBFS, and the risks of serious disease transmission relative to other openly accepted sexual activities. However, I do repect all of your opinions. Nevertheless, for those who may want an interesting an informative "alternative" read concerning this topic, please check out [url]http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/rrbprostitute.htm[/url].
I was curious as to how BBFS is currently perceived by hobbyists in Germany, since I have not traveled there for many years. Thus, I really do appreciate your candidness! In return for all of your forthcoming information, I would like to offer some data concerning my personal experiences in other countries. (This is, after all, the WORLD sex guide!)
Although I have found that the practice is certainly not the norm, I have obtained BBFS recently, with little effort (i.e., within the past year) from prostitutes in Japan, Hong Kong, Macau, Costa Rica, Thailand, the United States, and, on one occasion, even in the Netherlands! I am neither bragging nor apologizing-- just reporting the 'bare" facts. My estimate of BBFS frequency over the past two years, based on my own experience with a sample size of about 150 prostitutes, is that about 15% of girls regularly offer bareback sex. I base this estimate on the assumption that if I got BBFS from a girl with little or no effort, it is, for that girl, a regular menu item. I have found that the frequency appears to vary little among the above countries, with the exception of the Netherlands, where, in my experience, it appears to be quite rare. Also, a recent anonymous poll of several thousand hobbyists on a very popular U.S review site indicated that over 40% of American hobbyists have partaken of bareback intercourse with escorts.
I know that I will inevitably receive more slams and flames for this post--but I am still curious! Irrespective of whether or not you agree with me concerning the health and safety issues, could those of you with some experience in this regard please comment on my frequency estimate? Do you find my (admittedly uncontrolled and subjective) estimate of about 15% to be at all accurrate? Do you think it is an over-estimate or under-estimate? In particular, do you think Germany is a country where it is more frequent or less frequent than elsewhere?
I have both a theoretical as well as a personal interest in this statistic, since, if the frequency of this activity is as high as it seems, then the most frequently cited risk estimates for serious disease transmission must necessarily be incorrect.
Thanks in advance for your input!
Japan,
I would say that your estimate sounds legit, but it varies a lot country to country. As you say the Netherlands is lower, I would say that germany is lower too. My experience in China is that the sauna girls in hotels or Karaokes are really super safe, not even offering BBBJ, but in the low class local brothels and Barbershops it might be easier to get BBFS, all depends on the education level the government has managed to get through.
I have probably had close to 1000 sessions in Germany, adn this was the first time I was offered BBFS, and happy that it has not happened more. There were always rumours about Freudenbergstr. 38 being a BBFS club, but it certainly was never one of the more popular clubs, so there are a lot of guys who don't like it.
Strangely I was talking about exactly this subject the other day with some girls in Wildenrath. Nici said she had a customer at an appartment call up and want BBFS. She said it was the first time in 10 years of working, and I believe her, she doesn't lie to me (I know a lot about her and her past and stuff - and we barely session together because she isn't really my type and she knows it, so she suggest other girls for me to go with). Some of the other girls got into the discussion and they say that about once every 2 weeks there is a customer (not always the same one, just the frequency) who goes around asking each girl if she will do BBFS, and I know no girls currently in the club offer it (I know of 2 girls who have in the past, and when the management found out they were immediately asked to leave the club).
I do know that a lot of mongers like it. I have read on the Thailand sections of soe guys who even try to trick the girls into it, which I find abhorrent.
Normally I would say "It's your life" just like I do when people smoke, but given the power position you are in compared tot he girls in a lot of situations I think it is an abuse of your power as a consumer to try and coerce girls into thinking it is OK. BBFS is not a good idea, not just because of disease, but also because of pregnancy (not all working girls are using contraceptive effectively). Please don't do it, it is not worth it!
Thanks, Peter, I really appreciate your input--it seems that Deutchland is similar to the US in the general attidude towards bareback. And, based on your experience, that suggests to me that the frequency of BBFS is WAY higher than most girls are ever willing to admit! This is indeed consistent with my own experience: there are several girls in the US whose pussies I have filled with hot loads on multiple occasions, who have later publicly or privately denied EVER doing BBFS with a client, and/or even claim that they have thrown them out of their room for even asking! The reality of the situation is, some girls actually enjoy this activity as much as the guys, but very, very few are ever willing to admit it. Most assume that it would destroy their ability to attract clients if word ever got out that they do BBFS--and judging from the public reaction of this, they are correct in that assumption!
I do wish to point out, however, that I have NEVER used coerecion, and always pull out prior to completion if the girl requests. (Of course this is not a fool-proof method of birth control, but in the US at least, all the girls know that! But condoms are not a fool proof method either, certainly!)
No matter what evidence I cite, I know I will never convince most people of what I believe to be a virtually nil risk of serious disease from bareback sex with prostitutes. I am not even going to try! (Been there and done that!) But just think about this: every one of us is currently here on this planet because somebody fucked somebody else bareback (unless, of course you happen to be a test-tube baby!) Therefore, Peter, your point about pregnancy is well taken--the primary function of condoms is to prevent pregnancy. They do that usually--but not always. A secondary function is to prevent disease. They often do that too, for some, but certainly not all diseases. Yes, there is risk associated with bareback sex, as there is with covered sex, as well as BBBJ and DATY. The risk with those activites is lower. How much lower? That is controversial. But the risk is there, nonetheless, if you believe the VERY SAME statistics from the VERY SAME studies that claim a higher risk for BBFS. Many like to compare this to Russian Roulette. OK, fair enough! If I am playing with one bullet in 3000 chambers, then you (if you partake of BBBJ and DATY) are playing with one bullet in 30,000 chambers. So, your chances of contracting a fatal disease are 10% of my chances. In other words, you have to get a BBBJ 10 times as frequently as I get bareback sex, to be close to my level of risk. But if you have seen 1000 prostitutes for BBBJ, and if I've barebacked only about 50 (which is the case), then our risk level is quite similar--in fact, yours are bit higher than mine!
But my point is this: WHATEVER the risks, I do not try to prevent YOU from playing. So PLEASE, do not try to prevent ME!
1000 sessions? Wow, I believe I have had just over 200(averaging about 30 different women on each trip) in the past four years at various FKKs. I thought I was a seasoned veteran.
So assuming that one session has always cost about 50 EUR on average, he's spent about 50,000 EUR on *****s. Man, I love this hobby, but that is a LOT of money. One could buy a convertible or start a new business with that kind of money.
I have been going to FKK's for about 4 years now, probably 50 visits a year on average (In the beginning I was going 65 times a year, now it is more like 35), so that is 200 visits, and then at an average of 3 sessions a visit that would put me at 600 in FKK's. If I add the 100 or so sessions I have had abroad then I probably top out at 700. Sorry for making the number too high.
30 sessions/each trip. That is a lot, too. What? You had 6 or more seesions/day 5 days in a row. I was able to do 4 girls/day 3 days in a row, and I was done.
Anyway, I completely agree with Peter-san! I don't understand some people like to try BBFS with prostitutes. Sure, you may get ones in Thai and some oher places (even in some Eastern Euro nation) due to a lack of education, but in all those area, STD rates are high enough to be their national health problem issues. Many chicks just don't care because they know they are infected.
After I read Japan's comment, I did some search in Japanese sites (I would not think you are Japanese, but I know some Japanese hobbiests love BB) and spoke to my Japanese friends (my parents are Japanese). Some dudes were bragging that they got BBFS overseas (without even talking about the risk of getting diseases!!). And, the STD infection rates have been increasing in the world No2 economy due to a lack of education and misunderstanding (some people basically have no knowledge about STDs!), and many young people simply do not use a condom at all.
Also, they usually do things called "Sumata" which is kind like fucking without an intercourse (or insert). You basically rub your dick against a pussy. Many actaully got STD (not AID, but all the others) thru this act.
You know, it is the 21 century, so we all need to be careful. Not for yourself, but for the girls as well as the other hobbiests.
Am I too idealistic?
Peace,
TY
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that might have bought a Ferrari if not p***y addicted....
That's what I figured I have paid on the hobby over almost 5 years.
You might consider me a little perverted to say that I prefer having spent this money on pussy than on a car. I never would even want a ferarri.
Peter - Maybe I'm also mad but it seems a modest amount for so much benefit. All a car would do is slowly rust. I'm not going to count up my numbers but they explain why I still have to work for a living (or more precisely work for my holidays!) and why I have an old car...
Shiatsu
Peter & Shiatsu,
I'm with you on this one! Without pussy, why even bother with the car? My car has 130,000 miles on it, looks like sheiss warmed over, bucks, coughs, chokes, stalls, and farts carbon monoxide! Why, riding in my bloody car is is far more dangerous than riding any ***** bareback!
Japan
Thanks for bringing out some interesting points, However I am concerend about relying on an article over 12 years old - the history of HIV has I think been of a move oput of the original high risk groups in to the wider heterosexual non-injecting population. This would appear to invalidate for the current day the conclusions of the article that we do not need to worry about HIV in bareback sex
I looked at the weblink you gave. One paragraph has stunned me - the one about prostitutes who do not use condoms
"Twenty-five to fifty percent of the prostitutes were seropositive for syphilis; the same approximate percent were seropositive for hepatitis B virus (with about 5 percent actively infected); and antibodies against chlamydia, herpes simplex 1, herpes simplex II, and gonorrhea were present in 95 to 100 percent"
If this is true it seems to me to make an overwhelming case against bareback -Hep B is a severe disease and all of the others require treatment. With infection rates for syphylis of up to 50%, and 100% for some other diseases then there seems to be an almost guaranteed outcome of picking up something which needs treatment. Whilst this may be an acceptable risk for me in the very few cases where the condom has come off accidentally it seems unethical if these figures are right to then have unprotected sex with somebody else. The figures you quote seem to argue for a period of testing and treatment between any unprotected sex sessions - otherwise a bareback practitioner is knowingly spreading infection. Of course I may be misunderstanding - is the article saying there are live infections or is it just picking up a history of past infections?
However are you saying you have had unprotected sex onall those occasions and, having been tested, have had no infections? If this is the case then your views would seem to have some weight
I take your point about unproteted oral sex - it is possible to catch just about all those diseases via oral sex as well
The point about HIV not being primarily related to unprotected sex is interesting. I am no expert on other studies but would have thought that the AIDS epidemic in rural Africa related to unprotected sex rather than drug use? Your point does remind me of the debate about Hep B - whcih I believe is supposed to be transmitted by only fluid exchange - yet research had shown that this does not in fact explain about half the cases, therby implying that there must be another causative link
All very complicated. We need a resident expert!! Apologies to all if I have rambled too long, but it seems to be a matter of general interest
hm, let's see 50K Euro = approx. $65K or 2 year's college education at a decent US university. As your academic credits prove, I'm sure that you've gotten a much better and well-rounded education for your 50K Euro than you could ever have gotten on a college campus and look at how useful it is too in the real world.
Hmm, wait a thought comes to mind. If we could transalate your 50K euro and all of the money we're pumping into this industry into scholarships for college coeds preferably cheerleaders...Alumni fund raiser of a sort, sort of an endowment - pun intended.
I love the topics on this thread - cars, money, BBJ and FS - now if we could only work food and football into the discussion, it would have everything a man could ever want -it's starting to sound like the Man Show...
Iseeu,
I had a female friend when I was 20 who was a kept woman for a business man who only visited our town once a month for business. She had an appartment and a car at her disposal plus about $300 a month, and was sleeping with him when he was in town. So it was running him about 1500 a month, most of which he could write off as business expenses. It helped her through college.
I always thought it was a nice arrangement, but it has as much monotony as having a real life girlfriend and is more expensive.
There is a site out there called coeds need cash or something like that, which basically offers these types of scholarships. I know that hustler also has a porn series which offers college girls cash to play in their pornos.
If there were a way to hook up donors with needy students for this sort of "scholarship" I would probably sign up for it.
Where does the line form? LOL
I intend to do my first visit at the famous FKK in September. I have time to spend from noon on Sunday September 11 until Monday pm in Frankfurt. This is the weekend just before the car fair. What is your suggestion on a Sunday, Palace, Oasis of World? Taste is usually very personal, but I just thougt there might be some difference between the places on a Sunday.
The point about HIV not being primarily related to unprotected sex is interesting. I am no expert on other studies but would have thought that the AIDS epidemic in rural Africa related to unprotected sex rather than drug use? Your point does remind me of the debate about Hep B - whcih I believe is supposed to be transmitted by only fluid exchange - yet research had shown that this does not in fact explain about half the cases, therby implying that there must be another causative link
All very complicated. We need a resident expert!! Apologies to all if I have rambled too long, but it seems to be a matter of general interest[/QUOTE]
Shiatsu, you are right on point. The risk of AIDS with unprotected sex is high as shown by Africa. The only reason it is not so high in Western countries is because the percent of infected persons is still low. However, all it takes is one case in a FKK and hundreds of people can be infected. I have seen one case in World where I was sure there was unprotected sex. That was enough to shock me.
[QUOTE=Peter]That's what I figured I have paid on the hobby over almost 5 years.
You might consider me a little perverted to say that I prefer having spent this money on pussy than on a car. I never would even want a ferarri.[/QUOTE]
I never regret any coin spent this way...was just figuring out how much was the amount....spent in the last 19 years!!
probably a F1 Ferrari not just a standard one...
[QUOTE=Peter]
There is a site out there called coeds need cash or something like that, which basically offers these types of scholarships. I know that hustler also has a porn series which offers college girls cash to play in their pornos.
[/QUOTE]
Peter,
The things you know...
How many high-school guidance counselors and university financial aid offices in the US promotes this option, do you think?
Cheers,
Dedalus
What the hell, $50,000 seems downright cheap.
I just did a little figuring, and I come up with about 500 sessions that I have done around the world. Most expensive session: $800 for one pop; cheapest: $20 for three pops. I think that the whole thing has cost me close to $50,000, because you have to figure in transportation, entrance to the FKKs or boites or whereever, and fees for hotels and food.
But now take the average failed marriage and do the math. In the first couple of weeks you go at it like rabbits, maybe 10 times a week. Then you slow down a bit. So after 6 month you get married, and perhaps by then you had had sex 60 to 100 times. Then, after the marriage, a big drop. Maybe you have kids, and another drop in freqeuncy. By year 7 you are down to 10 to 15 times per year, and you say f*** this, I'm outta here. Divorce. Divorce lawyers. Shit, no pre-nup. Half of the house goes to her, as does one of the cars, and half of the bank account. (Luckily you hid the little stocking stuffer in the Caymans from everybody, including her...). Oh, so now we are talking about $500,000 in damages. You coulda had 5,000 sessions for that kind of money. And then you add alimony. The gift that keeps on giving...
Now does mongering look like a good deal? Or what?
;-)
euro (not really frustrated, not really forced to drive an old beat-up piece of crap, still living in a nice house, but a lot wiser at great expense)
700 sessions averaging about 70EUR a pop is quite a good value, a good brothel where I currently live averages 200EUR plus "extras". My first visit to an FKK, I was trying to not laugh at how cheap it was compared to a lot of other places that offer high quality women. I used to think a lot of these women must have been really desperate for money to be doing this for so little. An FKK quality woman in the US can earn as much as an Anesthesiologist, 250,000 to 300,000 US a year.
CBGB;
High class hookers rarely have more than 2-4 dates a month. Other than possibly in NYC, London, Tokyo, Moscow there really isn't a huge market for girls who charge over $500 for their services. A lot of these girls don't really earn that much either. Porn stars who hook, or strippers who offer full service for an extra $200 are the sort that might actually earn over $100,000, but otherwsie it isn't realistic that girls are earning that sort of coin.
I know some FKK girls who have worked at some super expensive clubs in Germany and Switzerland. In Germany, the luxury clubs are dead, with customers only coming during trade fair times, so they are going home empty many nights.
Zurich is another story. Here there are some top FKK girls (But they have to be tattoo and piercing free, and be German, not eastern European) who are pulling down 400 Swiss Franks an hour, and managing 4 sessions a day. But those places are rare, and there are only a limited number of customers.
If girls want to earn a regular living, then they have to offer their services in a reasonable price category.
I mean there is one "supermodel" who supposedly offers her services for $50,000 a night, but I have yet to hear of anyone who has used those services.
Theoretically I am offering to be on the receiving end of anal from a huge Black guy for $10 million, but with no one offering that to me, it is not a real income.
Japan’s “car has 130,000 miles on it, looks like sheiss warmed over, bucks, coughs, chokes, stalls, and farts carbon monoxide!”
When on the girls I choose begin to resemble that picture, I’ll know it’s time to stop and save for the ferrari.
I actually met an FKK girl at Babylon that worked in Las Vegas, she made a lot of money while there but she eventually got thrown out of the US for overstaying the 90 day limit.
As far as cars, I live near a Ferrari dealership, I saw a fleet of brand new F430s delivered.
Does anyone know what became of the ladies who worked at the now closed Relax in Limburg? To me it was among the best small clubs I had ever visited. I would like to know what became of Laura from Litho, Or Mandy, or any of them. I'm planning a trip there this fall and would like to catch up with one or two of them. Also the lovely little barmaid Tanya. So cute. I just missed her when she worked the other side of the bar. The club itself was wonderful too. Clean and modern and management always made sure there was something to eat and drink. I surely miss it. Especially Sunday afternoons in the summertime out on the grass. Just terrific.
Pervus,
Your barmaid and her bf were tending the counters at Goldentime doing a fantastic job as always late last year but were already gone when I went back to pay them a visit in April. Dunno where they went to from there but if anybody else knows, I'd like to know also. They're good people.
I was communicating with Laura via email for awhile and hooked up with her at Oase several times after Relax closed, but have not talked with her in a long time. I got the impression that she was busy doing alot of other things and had just become a part timer anyways, but would make time for long-time "friends." Last I checked, she didn't live near Frankfurt.
FL
Berlin is getting a new FKK club called Artemis, it is supposed to become the biggest FKK in Germany, and is particularly going to be suited to handling the large numbers of tourists expected to enter Germany for the World Cup in 2006. I guess we will finally have a reason for traveling outside of NRW and Hessen for pussy in Germany.
Fkk lover,
Tks for the update. I am just starting to formulate plans for a trip in early or mid October, (as soon as the airfairs switch to the off season rates) LOL I thought it would be fun to look up some of my former playmates over there.
Again, thanks.
Artemis is opening in Mid September according to an ad in the Bild.
Goldentime is owned by the Relax people, but in the meantime few of the girls have made the trek up there.
Regarding Barmais Tanya, she is no longer working at Golden time, she is working 3-4 days a week behind the counter at Wildenrath. Some people really like her, but I don't think she is as friendly as others think.
I will be in Frankfurt for one week untill Aug 22. Also I do not know German and fear that I may get lost. I would love to accompany anyone who is interested to go with me all the FKK clubs one by one. Please PM me ASAP so we can setup a plan.
For others wait for a giant report!
Happy mongering.
[QUOTE=Peter]
I mean there is one "supermodel" who supposedly offers her services for $50,000 a night, but I have yet to hear of anyone who has used those services.[/QUOTE]
Peter, who is she??
Don't know. I once landed on the page where she was advertised, there were pictures where they showed her sillhouette in real pro pictures. I searched the internet but could not find any similar pics or any reports about who she might be. But it is just like all the high price sites out there like EliAgency (do they still exist?). You can look all you want and you can't find anyone who ever uses these services.
I guess no one is stupid enogh to actually admit they overpaid that much.
Khare,
I would not worry too much about not knowing German. I would however suggest you get a book with a few common phrases in it. I found that on my trip there, people were much more willing to speak to you in English if they could see you were trying to speak to them in German. I will say that 99% of the people that I interacted with in the larger cities spoke some English. I did meet several ladies that did not speak English, but for what we were doing, neither one of us needed to speak the other language.
In one Partytreff club I visited, the bartender did not speak English, but asked around until he found a woman who did. She turned out to be alot of fun and ended up hanging out with me most of the evening, translating for me, introducing me and hooking me up with quite a few ladies but only after she tested me out herself.
Don't be scared, just make an effort and don't be embarrassed to admit you can't speak the language.
There has been discussion of this under the partytreff thread - but I'm continuing it here as it is a more appropriate thread
To add to the chorus of car lovers for FKKing. I would love to go by train and taxi (and have done in the past) but find that it is a lot cheaper to hire. If I were to go to Oase and World from Frankfurt on the same day by train and bus I could easily spend over 50 euros, to say nothing of the wasted time and loss of flexibility. If I did the bus journeys by taxi then the cost could be over 120 euros. There is no way a car will cost even the lower figure - even if you factor in the risk of having to pay an excess because of damage occasionally.
If in doubt on the autobahn - just stay in the slow lane. And keep an eye on your rearview for someone coming up fast. German drivers may not be the best but they are generally not aggressive and seem to go by certain unwritten rules (i.e custom)- after a short time you see the unwritten rules they are driving by.
As for which company is best - it's worth checking Budget, Sixt, Hertz and Europcar websites and getting quotes. Sometimes one is cheap, another day a different one is cheap
Well I take a nearly 30 hour flight from Sydney, its not as bad as it sounds because I fly business class, costs me about 6000EUR round trip usually with either Air France or British Airways. I don't feel like getting behind the wheel of vehicle in a foreign country after such a long trip.
For those that do not want the extra expense of hiring a car or the trauma (especially for us brits of driving on the other side of the road) of auto bahn hire, there are clubs that can be accessed by public transport. Also there is the clear advantage of being able to have a relaxing beer between sessions, especially when some of the venues offer free food and drink. D&D is very tight here, if the traffic cops even smell a beer on your breath you will be in for a whole load of pain.
I do write this from the perspective of living in Cologne and that the start point is Cologne main station, but the following are easily accessable:-
FKK World - train to Geisen and then cab. I know this will probably spark off a huge thread about the distance, time and expense of the cab.
Samya - Tram number 16, 5 mins walk.
Mettman - train to Dusseldorf HBF and then change to a local line to Mettmann Stadtwald, 10 mins walk or cab.
Alibaba - good red carpet FKK in Wuppertal- train to Wuppertal Vohwinkel, 5 mins walk.
Beverley - train to Wuppertal Vohwinkel, bus to Soligen Burg. There is no return bus service to Wuppertal until at least 7 the following morning so find accomadation for the night or be patient and take a book!
Some places I would not personally recommend but you may still want to try:-
Pascha - RLD in Cologne- Train to Cologne Nippes, 5 mins walk.
Dolce Vita - Train to Dusseldorf main station and then Sbahn to Dusseldorf Reisholz, 5 mins walk.
Tropicana - I really liked this FKK when it was in Dusseldorf city but it has been moved to the city outskirts and I have not visted it since its relocation, hence it is included in the not recommended list. Train to Dusseldorf main station and then sbahn to Dusseldorf Erkrath. 15 mins walk or cab.
You can buy day or weekend travel tickets which will cover travel on all public transport and work out a lot cheaper than just buying one off tickets. There are regular checks on the trains for ticket holders, you stand a 50 percent chance of ticket control and the fine can be heavy so I really would not recommend travelling without paying.
Bahn.de is the German Rail website and has an english version. Alternatively you can PM me but please do not send a long list of venuses as I will not answer. I know this may sound unfriendly but I have simply spent too much time in the past reasearching stuff for people who don`t even bother acknowledging the reply.
Is anybody coming over for the World Cup. I feel this is an ideal oppurtuntiy for some mass mongering. Let me know.
Soccer is a girlie sport, I prefer rugby over girlie soccer anyday.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Soccer is a girlie sport, I prefer rugby over girlie soccer anyday.[/QUOTE]
Britpop,
Good info. I have never heard of Alibaba but I might have to look for some info on the net before my next visit in October. One that you didn't mention:
Sauna Blue Note - S6 train to Duessledorf Rath-Mitte and then 5 min walk.
The train takes about an hour and you could get there quicker by taking an ICE train to Duesseldorf Hauptbahnhof and then the S-bahn to Rath-Mitte but the direct route is cheaper and easier.
I will be steering clear of Germany between May 2006 - Oct 2006 as there is bound to be a lot of aggro with the footy fans. I was in Koeln at the end of July and there were a couple of groups of brits who were there for a weekend on the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and they ended up having to be thrown out of the Irish bar I was in as they were completely wasted at 2pm and just being a pain in the arse. Being a brit myself I don't want to get tarnished with the same brush.
Hi guys,
I thought it might be useful to start a new thread detainling FKK websites. As most are quite informative and would support the + and - word of mouth news.
What do you think?
VB
Vibra-
google kaleu & FKK and you will get a really good website list.
Do you think it would be unrealistic for an FKK girl no matter how beautiful she is to get invited to the Le Bal Des Debutantes in France?
Vitoriabitter. I agree - if there were a new thread which had a heading like "Practicalities" it could have info about webpages, info about car hire, public transport, and which members were visiting where. It would free up the club threads a bit. How about you suggest to Jackson under Site Administration / Suggest New Topics? You can quote my support
There are more than 150 FKK in Germany; a frequent question on this board is which are the best one. There is no answer, as this is very personal question. Some prefer big clubs with many girls, other prefer smaller and more intimate clubs. Some prefer wild clubs with coach action, other prefer not to be hassled. Some are sensitive about facilities, other believe that only the girls matter. But a favorite club is mainly because there are regular friends or girls to meet, or simply because of the location.
Still, here is a very objective top 5 of German FKK. There are only 5 clubs that can line up more than 30 girls: 3 clubs in the Frankfurt area (Palace, world and Oase) and 2 in the Dusseldorf area (Goldentime, Happy Garden). There are several differences between those two groups apart from the location.
The Frankfurt FKK are more expensive (65€ entrance and 50€ every 30min for BBBJ and FS) than the Dusseldorf FKK (only 50€ entrance and 50€ for 30min FS and BBBJ, every additional 30min is only 25€).
The Dusseldorf FKK entrance fee includes free beers, the Frankfurt FKK have only non-alcoholic drinks (sorry to say, but I personally prefer that there are no alcoholic drinks available for free in FKK to avoid bad behaviour from customers who come only to drink for free).
The Frankfurt FKK are daily open from 10am till 5am (except Palace at 4am), the Dusseldorf FKK are open only from 11am to 1am.
The Frankfurt FKK have that unbeatable unique naked dressing policy for the girls and a towel for the customers, the Dusseldorf FKK have only lingerie dressing policy for the girls and bathrobe for the customers. It makes it much easier to choose a girl, WYSIWYG! And having all those naked sexy girls walking around you is a unique atmosphere; it is like being on paradise with all those naked angels.
The Dusseldorf FKK don’t allow the girls to hassle the customers, except in the Kino area (if there is one). It can become quiet boring waiting between the sessions. In the Frankfurt FKK, the girls come over you, which makes a much more interactive atmosphere between customers and girls. There is much more fun to have with the girls in between the sessions, and it makes it much easier to check if there is the right chemistry with the girl before starting a session.
The Frankfurt FKK are all bigger with more facilities, and have all more girls with more diversity than the Dusseldorf FKK.
No doubt, pricing put apart, the 3 Frankfurt FKK are much better than the Dusseldorf FKK.
Comparing the two Dusseldorf FKK is much more easy now than two years ago. Goldentime beats Happy Garden now everywhere: bigger and more facilities, more girls (around 30-40 girls in Goldentime and about 25-30 girls in Happy Garden), better atmosphere and more interaction between customers and girls as the Kino allows everything including coach action (Happy Garden has no Kino).
Comparing the 3 Frankfurt FKK is a bit more difficult. Oase has the most girls (50-60) with the most ethnical diversity; Palace and World have as much girls (35-40), with Palace having more ethnical diversity. Oase is also the wildest club with lot of coach action in the Kino and in the outdoor facilities, which gives this unique atmosphere of a Greco Roman orgy.
On the other hand, regarding the facilities, World has no doubt the most upscale facilities in that huge Millionaire’s house. Palace is also very cosy with that unique Turkish Arabic Palace atmosphere including an impressive hammam as if you are in a harem of 1001 night fairy tale. But Palace has no outdoor facilities. Oase, apart from excellent outdoor facilities, has much simple facilities, with bad air ventilation.
Palace is the only major FKK that is in the miidle of a major town, at wlaking distance from an IBIS hôtel and a U-bahn station, as wel as at a few minutes taxi from a major international airport. For the other FKK, a rent car is more convenient.
Still, as the most important are the girls and the atmosphere, Oase remains the best club, but can be improved. Due to better facilities, World comes second and Palace third.
This is the result for the top 5 list of German best FKK club:
1-Oase
2-World
3-Palace
4-Goldentime
5-Happy Garden
Looking forward your comments about this top 5.
That's a GREAT re-cap, thanks Routard. I think this should be made a 'sticky' post if that's possible, so that all readers can refer to this.
I have one question - there's nothing I love more than sitting back and watching a pretty face bob up and down on my dick. And I love to fill her mouth with come as the end result. At the Dusseldorf area clubs, will that cost less than it does in the Frankfurt area clubs? I know that getting a BBBJ with CIM costs 100 EUR in the Frankfurt clubs.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Routard]There are more than 150 FKK in Germany; a frequent question on this board is which are the best one. There is no answer, as this is very personal question. Some prefer big clubs with many girls, other prefer smaller and more intimate clubs. Some prefer wild clubs with coach action, other prefer not to be hassled. Some are sensitive about facilities, other believe that only the girls matter. But a favorite club is mainly because there are regular friends or girls to meet, or simply because of the location.
Still, here is a very objective top 5 of German FKK. There are only 5 clubs that can line up more than 30 girls: 3 clubs in the Frankfurt area (Palace, world and Oase) and 2 in the Dusseldorf area (Goldentime, Happy Garden). There are several differences between those two groups apart from the location.
The Frankfurt FKK are more expensive (65€ entrance and 50€ every 30min for BBBJ and FS) than the Dusseldorf FKK (only 50€ entrance and 50€ for 30min FS and BBBJ, every additional 30min is only 25€).
The Dusseldorf FKK entrance fee includes free beers, the Frankfurt FKK have only non-alcoholic drinks (sorry to say, but I personally prefer that there are no alcoholic drinks available for free in FKK to avoid bad behaviour from customers who come only to drink for free).
The Frankfurt FKK are daily open from 10am till 5am (except Palace at 4am), the Dusseldorf FKK are open only from 11am to 1am.
The Frankfurt FKK have that unbeatable unique naked dressing policy for the girls and a towel for the customers, the Dusseldorf FKK have only lingerie dressing policy for the girls and bathrobe for the customers. It makes it much easier to choose a girl, WYSIWYG! And having all those naked sexy girls walking around you is a unique atmosphere; it is like being on paradise with all those naked angels.
The Dusseldorf FKK don’t allow the girls to hassle the customers, except in the Kino area (if there is one). It can become quiet boring waiting between the sessions. In the Frankfurt FKK, the girls come over you, which makes a much more interactive atmosphere between customers and girls. There is much more fun to have with the girls in between the sessions, and it makes it much easier to check if there is the right chemistry with the girl before starting a session.
The Frankfurt FKK are all bigger with more facilities, and have all more girls with more diversity than the Dusseldorf FKK.
No doubt, pricing put apart, the 3 Frankfurt FKK are much better than the Dusseldorf FKK.
Comparing the two Dusseldorf FKK is much more easy now than two years ago. Goldentime beats Happy Garden now everywhere: bigger and more facilities, more girls (around 30-40 girls in Goldentime and about 25-30 girls in Happy Garden), better atmosphere and more interaction between customers and girls as the Kino allows everything including coach action (Happy Garden has no Kino).
Comparing the 3 Frankfurt FKK is a bit more difficult. Oase has the most girls (50-60) with the most ethnical diversity; Palace and World have as much girls (35-40), with Palace having more ethnical diversity. Oase is also the wildest club with lot of coach action in the Kino and in the outdoor facilities, which gives this unique atmosphere of a Greco Roman orgy.
On the other hand, regarding the facilities, World has no doubt the most upscale facilities in that huge Millionaire’s house. Palace is also very cosy with that unique Turkish Arabic Palace atmosphere including an impressive hammam as if you are in a harem of 1001 night fairy tale. But Palace has no outdoor facilities. Oase, apart from excellent outdoor facilities, has much simple facilities, with bad air ventilation.
Still, as the most important are the girls and the atmosphere, Oase remains the best club, but can be improved. Due to better facilities, World comes second and Palace third.
This is the result for the top 5 list of German best FKK club:
1-Oase
2-World
3-Palace
4-Goldentime
5-Happy Garden
Looking forward your comments about this top 5.[/QUOTE]
for comparison the going rates in the Frankfurt and Düsseldorf area:
1. Frankfurt area:
50,- €/30 min. incl. BBBJ
50,- € uplift for CIM
50,- to 100,- € uplift for anal sex
2. Düsseldorf area:
50,- €for the first 30 min. incl. BBBJ, 25,- € for each additional 30 min.
25,- € uplift for CIM
50,- € uplift for anal sex
So, the pricing in the Düsseldorf area is cheaper especially for sessions longer than 30 min. and sessions including extra services.
Have fun,
Novize
Hey - thanks for the prompt response, Novize. I'm loving this new forum upgrade - it's fantastic! Fast responses, instead of waiting some hours to see replies.
Bruce Ley,
Making a top 5 was easy, but if anyone dare to make a top 10...
As soon as you bring back the first selection level to 20 girls, there are many more FKK, and I doubt I tried all the FKK having 20 girls or more.
Another problem is that there are allready several cheaper Red Carpet Clubs who have at least 20 girls, like Freudenberg 39, while excellent Clubs like Parksauna Wildenrath would still not take part of the selection with only 15 girls.
Anal sex is disgusting, that is something reserved for homosexuals. Do these girls realize how underpaid they are? I remember even in some of the less expensive parts of North America women of similar calibre wouldn't settle for less than $300US for a session, NY or LA, the same session will cost close to a $1000US. Then again the overall cost of living in Germany in an urban area seems mjuch less than a US city, I just looked at a house in Bonn, it reminded me of a Brooklyn townhouse, with nearly 4000 sq feet of space going for a half million dollars US, the same kind of home in Brooklyn would cost $3 million US easy. Getting to FKK clubs isn't as tough as people think, ever notice that couple of them have put advertisements on taxi cabs? I noticed that Samya and Pascha(offshoot of the big Eros center in Koln) advertise on taxis.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Anal sex is disgusting, that is something reserved for homosexuals. Do these girls realize how underpaid they are? I remember even in some of the less expensive parts of North America women of similar calibre wouldn't settle for less than $300US for a session, NY or LA, the same session will cost close to a $1000US. Then again the overall cost of living in Germany in an urban area seems mjuch less than a US city, I just looked at a house in Bonn, with nearly 4000 sq feet of space going for a half million dollars US, the same kind of home in Brooklyn would cost $3 million US easy. Getting to FKK clubs isn't as tough as people think, ever notice that couple of them have put advertisements on taxi cabs? I noticed that Samya and Pascha(offshoot of the big Eros center in Koln) advertise on taxis.[/QUOTE]So why do quite some girks lreally like anal sex?
I agree that live in Germany is cheaper than in the US. But Bonn really is a small town (comprised of three fairly independent towns) which does not have much going for it after it ceased to be the German seat of government
Routard,
Thanks for starting this - it's been awhile since we went through this exercise. I'll use your criteria this time although setting a minimum of 20 sp removes clubs like PSW and Bernd's from the running.
Here are my selections for 2005:
Starting with #5- A newcomer to this list- replacing PHG which desperately needs a total upgrade- is FKK Colosseum in Augsburg. As I've written elsewhere on this board, Bavaria is no longer a monger's wasteland. Colosseum delivers with 25- 40 beautiful women, nice facility, cleanliness, etc. Problems: you really must have a car to get there, very homogenous selection (almost no ethnic providers), small outdoor area and a lack of intimate seating areas.
At #4 - Also a new selection since last time is GoldenTime- Bruggen. Great vibes to this club and in a short time it has become the best FKK in NRW. Great facility, nice variety and selection of sp, friendly people and a hot kino rivaling the one in Oase. Problems? The food seems to have its ups and downs, almost everyone has a "first time going to GT I got lost story" since they aren't in Bruggen, and their website is the least user-friendly of all.
At #3 - FKK Palace- has really picked up the slack after Atlantis' sad demise, bringing another high class club to the FRA area, and this time only 10 minutes from the city center. The indoor facility is very tastefully done, someone spent a nice bundle re-doing this club, with interesting seating areas, swings, long ottomans to stretch out on , a nice bar in the round, dance platform, indoor jacuzzi, amazing steam room, massage and hamman area. The best masseuse of any club. Good diverse selection of sp with some superstars making their home here. Convenient travel options to airport, city center. Problems: Could use larger food buffet area, more and better pole dances with available sp's, the proximity to FRA and the Messe means that you cannot even begin to aproach this club when the Messe is open for business, no outdoor area.
#2 FKK World - Still the best facility bar none, great outdoor area like a private country club, best food service, and even complimentary shuttle bus service from the Messe. Some great sp make this their home and so does Cordelia (I know that she's reading this(;-)). Good sauna but not up to Oase standards. Some great rooms, especially the VIP's. Nice relaxing downstairs lounge. Nice big indoor pool. Has a lot going for it, and the investment was huge, so it's hard to understand why they can't get and keep a steady balanced supply of sp from more than 2 countries. Problems: Well there you have it - if they would have a more balanced and steady sp population they would probably be at #1. Also some of the rooms have very flimsy doors/ walls - if you can call them that
And coming in at #1, FKK Oase. I have to admit, this has almost always been my #1, although it had it's bad times particularly right after World and then Palace opened. Nice outdoor area, including outdoor jacuzzi, the best saunas, good food service. Convenient, less than half hour drive from airport and/city. Great decadent vibes, good pole dancing. Hot, hot , hot kino. The best, most consistently good, large and diverse selection of women. Problems; there are many, but I guess when you're in love, you don't notice them all, or let them slide. It gets really hot in some of those rooms, the downstairs shower and locker area always have a peculiar odor, and i think that their timed showers give you the shortest burst of water (I haven't actually timed this)
can't wait to read some other ratings.
Njoy
[QUOTE=Novize]
1. Frankfurt area:
50,- €/30 min. incl. BBBJ
50,- € uplift for CIM
50,- to 100,- € uplift for anal sex
2. Düsseldorf area:
50,- €for the first 30 min. incl. BBBJ, 25,- € for each additional 30 min.
25,- € uplift for CIM
50,- € uplift for anal sex
[/QUOTE]
Novize,
I've never tried to pop twice in the same session before but will some (if not all) girls tolerate this? Let's say I 'signed up' for a 30 min romp, but came in about 10 minutes. Do girls allow for a second pop or is each 'session' basically defined as one climax/pop, regardless of the total duration of the 'sex-contract'?
I am thinking about visiting FKKs during Germany unity day weekend. Will FKKs be slow or busy during this time? Will many girls take time off for this time? Answers would be appreciated.
CBGB,
Buying a house in Bonn is like buying a house in Iowa. Check out house prices there some time. Remember in America you can write your mortgage interest off on your taxes, in germany you can't (Unless you rent the house out).
BL,
There is no hard and fast rule (club policy) for this that I am aware of. I have had multipop sessions, but rarely and they have always been an hour or longer.
I think you will not find many women up for a second pop within the half hour session, although most wills tay in the room for some after sex talk and cuddling for the rest of the time after a pop.
I am not saying you are like this, but there seem to be a lot of mongers out there who are trying to look for loopholes and find ways to make trhe women work harder and harder for their money. That is a bad development, as it will invariably lead to the women taking on the same attitude, and then we will get the Eros Center RLD attitude in FKK's. Try and provide the girl a BFE, and you should get a hell of a lot more GFE's. I know you (Bruce) are not one of these guys trying to use the girls, I just want to mention it to any of those sport fuckers out there.
Iseeu,
When was your last time in PHG? They have put a tonne of money into a redo. They did that waiting room Buddha Zen thing, then they have replaced the beds and redone the decor in every room. There isn't that much more they can do at the moment.
I object to the praise of GT, which I really don'T enjoy that much. In the german boards, it has been getting reviews as poor as Worlds in the last two months. They are retaining more of the fat girls, and losing the good girls. There also are a tonne of guys, and often there are no rooms to be had.
I don't like the Kino there, as they have actually installed beds. It seems really filthy, and with the dark lights I cannot tell what sort of stains they are expecting me to sit down on. I have enjoyxed myself in the excellent Kino at Oase, but don't like the one at GT. I also don'T like the crowd at GT all that much. I know from a bunch of the girls that the excessive coke use of the customers is quite tolerated at GT. There might be another FKK being built 5km from GT, which will reshuffle the deck again, but never tot he real benefit of the customers. It will be interesting to see what Artemis in Berlin will be like. Shame my GF lives in Berlin.
I went to Colloseum, and couldn't really get into the vibe of the place. Way too much like a fuck factory for my taste. I know the girls who have been travelling down, and a lot of them keep a very close eye on their money making potential, so I avoid them.
If I had to do a current top 5
5. Colloseum - Didn't love the place, but girls were relatively attractive (a little too fake looking like the old atlantis days)
4. PHG - Still can be an impressive lineup on a good day
3. Schieferhof - as long as they don't ever offer sex without again
2. Wildenrath - but with home field advantage
1. Oase by a long shot
I have to admit I haven't been to World in so long that I could not include it in the list. From facilities it deserves to be in a top 5, but from the lineups that I remember and based on what I currently hear I don't see a need for a visit anytime soon.
I have been to Palace though, which was one of my worst FKK visits in eons. The facilities are nice, but the girls were among the worst I have seen in a club since I called GT a "Hausfrauen Puff". Keep those lights down low, it is a necessity.
[QUOTE=Bruce Ley]Novize,
I've never tried to pop twice in the same session before but will some (if not all) girls tolerate this? Let's say I 'signed up' for a 30 min romp, but came in about 10 minutes. Do girls allow for a second pop or is each 'session' basically defined as one climax/pop, regardless of the total duration of the 'sex-contract'?[/QUOTE]
Bruce,
I know your Q is for Novize, I hope Novize doesn't mind. I think I know the rules ( I might be wrong).
I think one pop is for one session (30 min), another word, if you pop twice in one session, you will need to pay 100E. I remember, I saw girls bring her customer to front desk few months ago in Oase. She were try to explain to customer regarding this matter, 2 pop / session. Of course, there is always exceptions, if the girl like you, maybe you could get away 2,3 or 4 pop / session (30min), and just pay 50E.
I would suggest, always good idea, asking girl before the session. I hate thouse after sessions arguments just because customer & girl are not on same page.
JMPO
A borderline issue
This does all depend on the girl. I have never had any trouble in Oase, World or Atlantis in coming twice for the same price in half- hour. Having said this I have rarely done this (I am more likely not to come at all!) - usually only when the girl has started the second round. That's what I call a good provider
I would never repeat with a girl who had a RLD attitude and wanted to charge extra for the second coming. This is all part of a spread of redlight attitudes. having said this I think it is pushing it a bit if yuo intend always to try to get a second round within 30 mijnutes - it verges on exploiting the girl (unless you are paying for some other upgrades)
If a girl is happy to restart on a second run within half hour then unless she has warned you of extra cost then she should not charge double.
I'l be interested to hear other views
I arrived at Oase once to find a customer and one of the girls at the front desk arguing about just this point. He came twice in 30 minutes. His opinion was that 30 minutes was 50 Euros. Her opinion was that twice was 100 Euros regardless of the time involved. The woman behind the desk sided with the girl.
[QUOTE=Peter]
I have been to Palace though, which was one of my worst FKK visits in eons. The facilities are nice, but the girls were among the worst I have seen in a club since I called GT a "Hausfrauen Puff". Keep those lights down low, it is a necessity.
[/QUOTE]
Hey Peter,
Let me know the next time you make a Frankfurt run. I think that the post-summer line up at Palace will impress you. I noticed a few dainty dames on my last visit that might suit your tastes;-)
I have a good feel about the upcoming Fall/Winter Palace season.
Cheers,
Dedalus
P.S. What was that German expression you gave up with for leaving a club without having a session?
[QUOTE=Fats]I arrived at Oase once to find a customer and one of the girls at the front desk arguing about just this point. He came twice in 30 minutes. His opinion was that 30 minutes was 50 Euros. Her opinion was that twice was 100 Euros regardless of the time involved. The woman behind the desk sided with the girl.[/QUOTE]Fats,
Perhaps we saw the same girl. I remember that I don't like that girl (forgot her name, she used to work Altentis) even before I saw her in front desk argue w/ customers. I saw her true face when she arguing w/ customer. I am not saying who is right or wrong, but her attitude was terrible. She is kind the provider think she is good, however, stay away from her.
Personal, I don't do 2 pop / session even if I can, I don't think that was very GFE, and to me, GFE is everything. As matter of fact, some time I just have 2 or 3 pops in 3 or 4 hours sessions. For instance, Lizzy (Oase), Maria (Oase), Bobbi (French girl, Palace) and Ramona (World/Palace), we all spend long hours together. I remember, all of them didn't even care how much I have to pay them, of course, I know exactly how much time we spend in zimer (swiss watch). For those girl only, I always asking them how much I should pay when the sessions is over, believe or not, they all say, whatever. Of course, I don't give them short changes.
Please do not start treat "argue" w/ me, saying you could multi-pop and GFE at the same time, of course you could. All the stuffs I said above, just my personal case.
JMPO
have to be seen as two sessions - that´s the going rule in every FKK-club.
If a woman allows two shots in 30 min. without charging the second one, this maybe due to the competition she has to face or the "sympathy" to a special (regular?) customer - or she just doesn´t know how to fill the time.
In Rhein-Main, this means: 2 shots in 30 min. is 100,- €.
In the Düsseldorf area it´s also 100,- €. If you come twice in 1 hour, it´s not 75,- €, but 100,- €.
But here as in Rhein-Main you will find women who give you that special without charging an additional fee.
It´s better to ask upfront, at least before the second round.
Have fun,
Novize
"Let's say I 'signed up' for a 30 min romp, but came in about 10 minutes. Do girls allow for a second pop or is each 'session' basically defined as one climax/pop, regardless of the total duration of the 'sex-contract'?"
Now, I am really impressed. On the World forum you were asking if it were sensible to envisage a 13 hour stint. That makes 26 half-hour sessions, each with two pops. Makes 52 drainers (physically and financially = at least EUR 2.600) in one day......... This will go down in the FKK annals, I must come and watch.
Novize - I stand corrected. I am sure you have got the rules right. Sorry if I misled anyone. You are right - best to check before the second round if it is with a girl one doesn't know.
However I would never go again with a girl who charged me for the second time in half-hour. But then I never initiate the second round - I leave it to the girl since I expect the girls to have some rapport with me and see it as a case of swings and roundabouts: if a girl is good on the first session then I will book again for longer sessions.
I think it all depends on the level of rapport or "sympathy" (to anglicise the German word) - that's what I look for but I know most members are after something a bit different to me
Dear experienced mongers,
Pardon me for such a stupid question.
What is the probability of someone catching HIV/STD in a FKK setting:
(1) with BBBJ (DATY)
(2) with CBJ (no DATY, DFS)
Would appreciate responses based on experience.
[QUOTE=Toscana]"Let's say I 'signed up' for a 30 min romp, but came in about 10 minutes. Do girls allow for a second pop or is each 'session' basically defined as one climax/pop, regardless of the total duration of the 'sex-contract'?"
Now, I am really impressed. On the World forum you were asking if it were sensible to envisage a 13 hour stint. That makes 26 half-hour sessions, each with two pops. Makes 52 drainers (physically and financially = at least EUR 2.600) in one day......... This will go down in the FKK annals, I must come and watch.[/QUOTE]
I will die a happy man, that's all I can say.
Personally I would never put a Frankfurt area club in a top five list, my personal experience has been that smaller clubs are the best, the girls tend to be a lot more open in the smaller establishments than the Walmart sized places like World and Oase. World and Palace have luxurious facilities, which add to the operating expenses of the place but small places like FKK-Burg or Blue Note offer very personalized service. I would consider Bernd's to be in the small and intimate category. Frankfurt is a business hub and good deal of customers at the clubs tend to be foreign visitors, therefore service takes a hit because the girls are unlikely to see these customers in the future. In the NRW the vast majority of visitors are locals, I recall at Babylon I was the first American to visit the club in quite a while and most of the women never met one before, in Frankfurt this is rare.
There is no hard and fast rule as to whether the girl will say the session is over after you bust your nuts, some girls will hang out with you and others won't. As far as quality of service the best service will come almost always from the CIS women.
I noticed that women if they are enjoying you as much as you are enjoying them, they will squirt some kind of discharge, vaginal cum so to speak, I got a few girls to do this. Kind of disgusting but physical proof they really enjoyed it and weren't pretending.
As far as prices are concerned FKKs are the best value in Western Europe, th only other place I found FKK quality and prices were in the Riviera club outside of Barcelona. While on the way to Europe, I read that the owner of the Chicken Ranch makes between $3 to $5 million a year after his expenses, it was in a major British magazine, there was photo of some of the girls, these women were disgusting but typical of American pros. I remember how the ********** people always compared the FKKs to Nevada brothels and what a ripoff the latter were in comparison to the former.
Kuber,
RTFF! Please no one else answer this stupid question. I pm'd him.
Dedalus,
The phrase (I think I coined it on Roemerforum) was "Club Ungepoppt verlassen".
All,
To reinfiorce what Shiatsu and Novize have said: Don't try and find loopholes for the girls, or try to squeeze too much out of your session, and then the girls will not try to squeeze too much out of you. It is important that we, on our side, don't try and cheat the girls. Guys who do should be shunned even more than girls who try to cheat the men.
This will lead to a degredation of standards down to RLD standards over time, so don't do it!
Prices in Bonn might be like Iowa but the people there dress and behave more like people from Manhattan, San Francisco, or Boston, very urban. In appearance the Ruhr reminded me of the Northeast USA. Is there any good mongering in Iowa, frankly I don't have much of an excuse to return to the US, I have virtually no family and am out of touch with friends in the States.
There are several new FKK desearving their own thread, like Goldentime, Samya, or Coloseum. Still, some old thread remain for what used to be famous clubs like Mondial, Babylon, Wiago, F35, Fantasyland, DV, Tropicana or Cocoon. What happened to all those clubs, are they still in business, have there been a drop in quality or quantity as there are hardly no reports anymore? Has anyone info how many girls to expect and if it is worth to visit them?
Babylon and Dolce Vita have suffered a sharp drop in quality, its a damn shame to see a good club fall apart in only a couple of years, but that is the temporary nature of the business.
Mondial - Was never really top tier. Used to belong to the Tropicana, Cocoon owner, but has changed hands a couple of times and had a fire and such. Never been there, but haven't heard any reports about it in any forum.
Babylon - Went there last wednesday. There were only 5 girls, although 2 were decent looking. The service from both was sub par, one would not kiss, and the other wouldn't allow me to eat her out or do her doggy because of some operation she had. Supposedly they are stocking up on more women in the next few weeks, but at the moment for their pricing I would advise people to go to Schieferhof
Wiago - Hasn't been good for at least 4 years. The place is dirty and old and needs to be renovated immediately. Same owner as Babylon and Colloseum in Augsburg. He has put all his money, expertise and effort into colloseum, which is working well. Maybe he should realize that that is the proper pricing strategy and fix these two clubs before they are completely worthless
F35 - Again they have changed management a lot, and the reports have been up and down. It was never a top club, just a blip on the radar for a while. Expect to find 5 girls there.
Fantasyland - From what I understand it is now under the management of World and called Sauna World. Some of the old fans say it is almost back to the level it was at in its heyday. Back then (about 3 years ago) it was the best run club in Germny. Martin, who turned it into an FKK, set it up perfectly. He had big and soft towels, an excellent buffet, excellent Hygienic conditions and a lot of other little things that made the difference. They had a great lineup of girls, and it was the perfect "feel good club", especially after the fire and renovation.
Once they lost the buffet to some health regulations the downfall started. Slowly Martin put less effort intot he club, and just wanted to get his money out. The club fell and fell. For the last year the management has been good, and the club has been keeping its long time guests coming back. Expect to find 8-12 girls and a casual atmosphere. It is sort of like the Limburg/Montabaur version of Wildenrath.
DV - This place still is popular, but if you are blonde, I guarantee you will be the only guest with that colour hair. The club has become almost exclusively ethnic, particularly turkish and Balkan. They have recently opened up a "Night Cafe" more centrally downtown, and that has drained some of the talent. They also have not put much money into maintenance of the club which shows in some of the hygiene aspects, especially the inadequate showers. They also have a screwed up pricing strategy, which is very confusing for the girls (the side for the men is clear enough). This leads a lot of good girls to seek other clubs where they can better figure out how much they are keeping from every room. Supposedly the owner is opening a big FKK about 5km down the street from Goldentime, which will be bigger than everything around (PHG, GT, Wildenrath, Yin Yang etc.). Not sure how many girls will go ther unless they become more transparent on the pricing and how much the women keep.
Tropicana - This was not management's fault, but the city of Düsseldorf. They forced them to leave the Corneliusstr location. That was right downtown, and was an excellent small club with plenty of customers. Now they are in an industrial area just outside of town in Erkrath. They have renamed it Atrium in the meantime. They put some good money into rebuilding the place, and it is about 1000% nicer than the old Tropicana was. The showers are good, the rooms are good, the ambiance is nice, and they even have a nice outdoor terrace. The problem is location and when customers stopped coming in the big numbers the girls stopped coming. In the meantime they have none of the beauties they used to have. There was a while where the lineup made it the best club I knew of, but not anymore.
They opened a new downtown location at Gustav Poensgensstr. where they have a hotel which is sort of a night club. the pricing is the same as Atrium, which is good (59/99/129), but I object to the fact that the contact room is clothed. The chances that you run into someone who is not in an incriminating situation when you are coming back from a room is just too big for me. This club is not running well either, expect to see 4 girls a night.
Cocoon - Same owner as Tropicana/Atrium, Ali Baba, and the Gustav Poensgensstr. thing. But from what I hear he has fled the country for a while. Not sure why. But this club is actually running at the top of its game still. There are 15-25 girls of top cvalibre there on any given day. The lack of reports is probably due to the fact that not many people go to Wuppertal. But the club is doing fine.
I hope this answers all your questions.
Thanks Peter,
I'm very impressed!
I have again updated my FKK must see list. Roughly, the FKK top ten list (well a bit more) should be somehing like this (this is not based on personal experience, I have not visited all these clubs, I'm simply trying to summarize the multiple info and opinions):
1-Oase
2-World
3-Palace
4-Goldentime
5-Happy Garden
6-Colosseum
7-Parksauna
8-Bern's
9-Sauna World
10-Samya
11-Flaming Island
12-Cocoon
Peter,
I stand corrected- I stopped going to PHG in the last half year and was not aware that they have changed many of the problems that I found in earlier visits. It's worth a re-visit in the coming months.
ON preferences - one man's heaven is another man's hell...And we all know you well- documented pref for PSW. But, I was really happy to see OASE on the top of your list.
I am constantly in awe of your wealth of info and you ability to communicate it clearly and fairly objectively. Thanks again.
After previous attempts in Holland (Baddabing and Ying Yang) for creating an FKK outside the German borders, Belgium wants to make also a try.
Check my report on the Belgian Other Area thread.
FKK clubs don't age well, few of them in Germany seem to survive more than a few years. From a business standpoint I have noticed that the Amsterdam area is far better simply because of the traffic in the city, loads of tourists in the summer mostly from the UK, as well as some from the US and Canada, frankly I have been in Amsterdam since mid August and Brits and Canadians are outnumbering Yankees like me heavily. I am guessing that Amsterdam is a premier sex tourist locale and the majority of visitors are new to the game, so they spend their money and are easy to impress.
I believe I read a report some time last year that listed a few of the clubs (incuding Bernd's) where CIM was standard and not considered an extra. Could anyone enlighten me on this topic? I've tried searching at it's been like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Thanks
Schieferhof does age well. It might be the exception, but it is as full today as it was 20 years ago.
the facilities are not new or spectacular, or even particularly clean. what they have is a huge focus on service. It keeps the men coming and the women who work there aren't complaining about their earnings either.
But they never tried to grow beyond the modest expectations they had. It is one house in the middle of nowhere, with 12-15 girls, they let in max. 30 guests, and they are only open Monday to Friday. I would say 95% of their customers are regulars who have been coming for years too.
But it is tough for a club to stay on top for a long time. The ones I know who have done well for more than 5 years are Oase, PHG and Hof, that is it.
How difficult is it for someone who doesn't speak German, aside from a couple of words to deal with the girls? I realize speaking in a native tongue would get more results, but I've never been all that good with second languages.
I wouldn't rate anyone at Bernd's higher than a 7 in looks. I saw total gems at a tiny FKK called Burg in the Duisdorf section of Bonn. There was Nancy who looks like Paris Hilton, and a Heather Locklear lookalike I think her name was Anna, both were total gems. The club offered excellent service. Bernd's is a very old club that has existed since the 1970's, but few clubs last that long. Its bigger sister club St. Augustine closed down three years ago and never resurfaced.
It's no real disadavantage at the larger clubs - some girls speak better English than German. At the smaller clubs it is a disadvantage. It can also be a disadvantage if you want to develop a friendship or just join in general banter. But in most cases I guess this is not what you are after. Don't let lack of German put you off at all - it won't affect your ability to get girls to go with you - all that counts are 50E notes, politeness, and cleanliness (which in my upbringing was said to be next to Godliness!)
Hi,
Is it possible to do sex with 2 girls who make also lesbo action in some clubs?
If you know , can you tell me witch one and the price?
Thanks
A lack of german skills can actually be an advantage if you make the most of it and turn it into a game like "Name this body part" or "How many different ways can you say f*ck, etc." or "What am I doing now?" and then tickle, lick, kiss, etc.
Probably won't lead to the discovery of a cure for cancer, but helps to break the ice. BTW, I've used some of the same party games amongst English speakers ex- (In what language and what is a "muschy"?)
Njoy:)
Dani,
3 somes are simply double the price of th esession with one girl. So in most clubs 100€ for half an hour.
Lesbo shows prices vary from club to club. Some do it for an additional 25€ per girl for a light lesbo show and 50€ extra per woman for a serious lesbo show, with real pussy eating, adn not some fake looking stroking.
It is possioble, and if it is a big time fantasy go for it, otherwise I consider it a waste of time and money in most instances.
Personally, I think there is a definite advantage in speaking German in the FKKs. There is the obvious point: That it is simply more easy to communicate with many of the girls using the club's language of choice. But there is, perhaps a less obvious set of advantages:
In considering the question of whether or not speaking German in the FKK clubs is an advantage, one should think about whether the average FKK girl reacts and behaves differently towards guests she perceives as German vs Foreign/Tourist.
Personally, I think that many/most girls DO in fact treat a guest differently if she thinks he is a local German vs a foreign business man or tourist. The German guest will be a potential repeat visitor and source of much greater income. The German guest will be more FKK street-wise, so she will be less likely to try session tricks like charging for the couch action, rounding up the clock, and more likely to give more of herself during the session. If she perceives you as a foreigner or tourist or US/Brit soldier or whatever, she might type cast you and will quite possibly treat you differently from a German guest. This could well translate into a given girl giving DFK to German guests (or guests who speak German), but not to non-Germans. This type of thing...
After all, in her view, a German guest is quite likely complain to the management or at least spread the word amongst the larger club guest population that a given girl gives bad to sub-par performance.
Now since many of these Girls do not speak perfect German themselves, it is often possible to pass yourself off as a German or pretend you are, if your own German skills/accent, whilst not perfect, at least exceed the level of the girl's German. I often let the girls think I am German, even though a native-German speaker would immediatly know I am not....Maybe I am wrong, but I believe speaking German is an immense advantage in the FKK clubs. Granted this is not universally the case, but it is a significant trend, in my view.
Ortos
speaking russian with a non russian accent is definitely the biggest advantage.
I don't but wish I did.
If you speak it fluently a lot of girls will not trust you and think you might know someone who they know, but if you speak it in a way that they know you are not from a CIS state they will be able to communicate well with you.
Russian is the FKK latin for all the Poles/Romanians/Russians/Hungarians etc. They all speak a bit of Russian from school and use that to communicate.
Judging by the girls I like if I spoke russian and Polish I would be in heaven.
As to the repeat/non repeat customer, I always make sure that the girl knows I am a pretty regular guest although my German is limited.
You will usually get a very nice attitude from pretty much all nationalites if you pick up a few phrases in their native language that compliments the girls. Have the girls teach you the phrases, it can be quite fun
Chivaz
The new FKK Artemis will be opening on September 26th in Berlin. The website is [url]http://fkk-artemis.de[/url]
You can click on the British/American flag to get the info in English. It's a high-tech website with virtual tours.
Apparently their will be 70 girls working there and the focus seems to be on wellness/fitness. I understand no alcohol will be allowed to be consumed on premises.
I'll be in Berlin in November so I'll get a chance to report on it by then at the latest. Hopefully someone else can post a report before then.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Berlin is getting a new FKK club called Artemis, it is supposed to become the biggest FKK in Germany, and is particularly going to be suited to handling the large numbers of tourists expected to enter Germany for the World Cup in 2006. I guess we will finally have a reason for traveling outside of NRW and Hessen for pussy in Germany.[/QUOTE]
If you want a private language tutor, go to Berlitz!
These are places for fucking. If you have some other perverted wishes, keep them to yourselves!
I'll believe it when I read it. Most clubs have disappointed on opening. The only club that had anywhere near the number of girls they had promised on Opening night, was Oase2, which shut down forever 15 minutes after opening.
From what I am hearing Artemis is from the same people as Palace. They made a really nice club there, but it used to be a mediocre club for years until they switched it to FKK. They do a lot for the ambience, but have not proven that they can build and maintain a top class lineup and keep it through all seasons.
Berlin sounds easy, because there are no clubs of that sort in the city. But there are plenty of opportunities for paid sex there. The escort scene is huge, the street walker scene is bigger than anywhere else in Germany. There are tonnes of smallbars and night clubs with 2-7 girls. There is also one decent small size FKK in the form of La Folie. So there is no sex vacuum in that city. Along with this very large and diversified sex industry, there are people who are involved.
The town is very clearly in Russian (primarily) and Turkish (secondarily) hands. I hope the people runnign the club would have cleared there plans with the people who have something to say in this respect.
If they didn't then they won't get 70 girls together, just as World didn't get more than 30 girls on opening day (and the quality of some of them was appalling (I was there)). If they don't clear their plans with these groups, and if the groups see their livelihood wit the current set ups under serious threat, there are a number of things they can do to make sure the club doesn't make it through the first month. In the capital city of Germany, with all the politicians and diplomats, in the center of town, all it would take is one gun shot by whoever, and the place will be shut down quicker than you can put your clothes back on.
I wish the club well, but I hope they did all their homework, and don't expect 70 girls on opening night.
[QUOTE=Peter]If you want a private language tutor, go to Berlitz!
These are places for fucking. If you have some other perverted wishes, keep them to yourselves![/QUOTE]
Ah, Peter. Lets not forget those business cards from PHG that advertise the place as an "Institut für Weiterbildung" with among the many Katagorien offered in the "Kursangebot", three being "Fremdsprachen", "Rhetorik" and "Kommunikation". ;-)
Had more of my Profs in college looked like some of those PHG instructors, then I would have gone to class more often.
Cheerio,
Dedalus
FKK is addictive, this has been discussed before on this board, I didn’t imagine how much before entering the very first time that door in Wildenrath. There should be some kind of disclaimer message at the entrance of each FKK warning about it!
But FKK has much more side effects, and I’m curious if we share the same one.
FKK made me feel much more relaxed in life. This fabulous concept, probably the only one that answers to all human basic needs at the same time (lodging, food, clothing, social contacts and sex), is like a taste of paradise. Yes, if paradise exists, it must be something very close to what we experience in FKK. Paradise, happiness, it can be reached with only the basic needs, nothing more. Life is easy in fact, what are we running for? As long as I have the health and financial capabilities to go to FKK, I can deal with life (as I can answer to all my basic needs) and face the other problems that could occur (getting older, divorce, becoming lonely…).
FKK made me feel much more confident in life. Is there anything that can flatter more a man’s ego than having sex with more than ten different beautiful young girls in one week-end? I can have more sexy girls in one FKK tour than most men in a life time. I’m not afraid anymore of the usual middle aged men’s fears (having to face erection problems, getting older and loosing seduction, or having to stay with the same sex partner till death).
FKK made my life much more exciting. I met the most interesting persons from the most different countries, speaking different languages, it’s like travelling around the world in one night. I can fall in love several times a night in FKK. I can make all my sexual fantasies come true. It’s like being able to live several lifes in one. No one in normal life can even imagine what my life really is. The problem is that these wonderful experiences are not easy to share at home or at work. This forum answers the strong need to share all this.
FKK improved my personal sex life. Apart from some new techniques, I improved my erection control as well as my orgasm. And my partner in life became much more desirable, as I am not afraid anymore of the usual middle aged men’s fear. How sexy she can be when coming out from the shower, still wet with a white towel. It’s FKK at home!
FKK improved my family life. Yes, I don’t need to put my family in danger having an affair with another woman. I even don’t look anymore at other women. When some dude says to me: Look at that sexy hot girl!”, I’m just thinking: “Poor guy, this girl that makes you crazy is for me in the category of -a no go, not even for free with a Hilton suite-, as I can have 10 girls in a week-end and all of them much more sexy than her!”.
There are also some funny things that have changed.
Before I compared sometimes a beautiful girl to a famous actress, now I sometimes look to a movie thinking: “Hey, that actress is as beautiful as a FKK girl.”.
Germany looked to me before as a boring industrial cold country, it now looks much more sexy than many other tropical destinations, and I have to hide my enthusiasm when I have a trip planned to Germany. This is the good news with FKK, a trip to Germany is not suspicious, even with a bill from that famous Aral station in Ober Erlenbach, or that famous Ibis hotel near Konigbergerstr. in Frankfurt.
Did you ever notice also the effect you have on women the next day after having your brain fucked out in an FKK? It’s something very strange. I don’t know whether it is because once the sexual issue being solved, a man can finally communicate with a woman, or whether a woman instinctively feels and enjoys to be with a man sexually satisfied. May be it’s simply because a man is completely relaxed and self confident, or because a woman doesn’t fear anymore to be sexually harassed (gays for example are known to be popular among women).
Looking forward your reaction and your own experience.
Routard - I think you have got everything fairly spot on. So I won't talk about the bits you mention, but instead will cover something different
What I noticed was that fairly soon I began to find the talking to the girls of much more interest! The sex alone can be a bit meaningless - I remember recently going to Oase, looking at the girls and just thinking - well, what am I here for?. Do I really want to screw every girl in the world? So I left after 20 minutes! However I was off my game that day so it is not typical
The good thing about FKK is that I can have sex with anyone - but someone with a fine mind and a good heart is a greater challenge to connect to. The variation of emotional and mental relationship is even more varied than the sexual relationship. If you are in a room with someone then it is possible to share things which you would never talk about at work or in a bar. For me each provider I meet is unique and I value her as a person - however it means that I am getting incredibly choosy. I now want someone who is sexy, but someone who is willing to be a real person.
The visuals are good, but I have learn that the visuals don't make a good session. Nor even good sex. In the end what counts is whether they put a bit of their heart and soul in it (if it is just their body it doesn't count). Then the sex is a real event.
So that is why the one consistent theme in all my posts has always been that I treat them as equals in every way, even the ones who are bad apples
There are dangers however in getting addicted to FKK. The fantasy world is real and linked to the rest of our lives in the way we carry our memories and emotions. If we end up seeking at an FKK the sort of relationship we can have outside an FKK then we are heading for trouble. I met a man recently who was devastated that his favourite had left a club at short notice and he could not contact her. Getting too attached is a more common event than is reported on the forum - I had a lot of PMs at one point from men who had crossed the boundaries.
If this post is disjointed - apologies.
[QUOTE=Routard]
Germany looked to me before as a boring industrial cold country, it now looks much more sexy than many other tropical destinations, and I have to hide my enthusiasm when I have a trip planned to Germany. This is the good news with FKK, a trip to Germany is not suspicious, even with a bill from that famous Aral station in Ober Erlenbach, or that famous Ibis hotel near Konigbergerstr. in Frankfurt.
[/QUOTE]
For some reason, industrial won't describe Germany in a decade or two, from what I hear most German companies are exporting jobs to Asia and other cheaper locales. I even found out a Volkswagen I was looking at was assembled in Mexico. I was reading somewhere that the Ruhr is reworking itself in some kind of hippy Bohemian image to attract tourists. Its actually a known fact that Germany has had an active sex industry for years. For most people countries and regions that are stereotyped as sexy include Australia, Brazil, France, Italy, Argentina, and the West Coast USA. The reality is with the exception of Brazil and Argentina, German FKKs offer better quality for dirtcheap prices, 50EUR for having sex with a Playboy calibre centerfold? That is too good for most people to believe. In New York, where I used to live, even a crack ***** wouldn't give you a handjob for that much money. German FKKs tend to cater mostly to locals, and don't advertise themselves like clubs in other countries. Ever notice FKKs tend to be in very inconspicious locales?
I remember a guy from California used to travel to Nevada for p4p then discovered Europe in the form of Amsterdam, took a side trip to Germany, and became an afficianado of FKKS, finding the cost of a five day romp in Germany to be CHEAPER than a five day romp in nearby Las Vegas. A session in the Chicken Ranch can cost between 500 to 1000US with a woman that is half as attractive and sexual as the worst looking woman in an FKK, a decent hotel room in Las Vegas costs around $150US(and I am talking about Hojo not the Bellagio/Luxor), so for a five day trip, it will cost $1000-$1200 for room and board, and assuming you fuck two women a day that will come to $5000US to $10,000US for five days of sexual fun in LV. On the other hand you can go to Europe and get real quality sex worlds above anything in North America for less. Roundtrip airfare from the West Coast US to Frankfurt costs around 600-900US depending on time of year and airline, a night at an Ibis(European HOJO) costs about 50-80EUR, one session plus entry at an FKK ranges from 70EUR to a 120EUR( the average cost gets cheaper as you have more sessions), even with the weak US Dollar Germany is quite a bargain next to Vegas. So five days of room and board come to 500EUR(room and board)+800EUR Airfare+ 2000EUR(50EUR a day for transport to clubs, 30 to 65 EUR entry, 300EUR for four to six half hour session which usually include kissing, daty, and bbbj) = 3300EUR or about $4000US versus $6,000US to $11,000US for five days of Vegas not including some time at the Casinos and other entertainment. The guy who went to Vegas had sex with about five to ten women while the guy who went to Germany, shagged a minimum of 20 to 30 gorgeous ladies.
[QUOTE=Routard]FKK made me feel much more relaxed in life. This fabulous concept, probably the only one that answers to all human basic needs at the same time (lodging, food, clothing, social contacts and sex), is like a taste of paradise. [/QUOTE]Routard,
Nice post. Funny, I used to return home to my wife after an FKK-filled business trip and wonder why I didn't feel more guilt for my "sins." Eventually I realized that while I was feeling quite guilty, the feelings of happiness were much more powerful and crowded out everything else.
Sounds absurd, but today I have no doubt that FKKs can be a good thing for a marriage. When taken at the correct dosage, and in the right way, FKK clubs are simply good medicine for your soul. It fulfills a basic need that polite society forgot to tell you existed.
Now if only someone could create an equivalent for our wives (but I wonder how many of us are ready for that?).
Shiatsu,
I agree 100% with you, I should have mentionned this also in my list of FKK side effects.
With the overflow of sex, I'm also much more into discovering the girls' personality. And sometimes you can indeed meet the most interesting person. I have to admit I had often sex in FKK just because it was the easiest way to learn to know better a girl and build up a special relationship with her. Hey, is that not supposed to be a woman's attitude? Once the sexual pressure being relieved, we are may be not that different. It's nice reading on this board sometimes Cordelia's opinion. As a side effet, I can say FKK learned me to understand much more women.
You are right to warn about getting in love with a girl. Yes, as I'm passionate, I fall in love, but only for the night. I never had a regular girl, as I don't have a regular FKK at first. In my opinion, having a regular girl is like having an affair, and that's exactly what I don't want to. It's my red line I don't want to cross and my way of dealing with the moral issue about our hobby.
Routard & Shiatsu congrats, excellent content!
I have walked up to the line a couple of times, and found myself falling in love with a girl or two. I am still very sorry to hear that domi has left forever. I am happy for her that she has a kid and is in love with the father, but I miss having access to her. There are about 3 other girls I would love to be in contact with. I saw one in town recently with her Boyfriend. I walked by her in a cafe 4 times, until she saw me, we had eye contact, that was all I needed. I did not approach her. If she had been alone I might have (That would have been the cuban Anna I have posted pics of before).
But do all you can to stay on the right side of the line. Everytime a girl has offered me a phone number, I haven't taken it. It is the better option.
CBGB,
Maybe I book better, but midweek I am getting the Mirage for about $65 a night in Vegas, but otherwise point taken.
I am relatively addicted at about 3-4 clubs a month, but I am probably spending about 10K€ a year. That is a budget I can afford, but I have a good job.
[QUOTE=Peter]Routard & Shiatsu congrats, excellent content!
I have walked up to the line a couple of times, and found myself falling in love with a girl or two. I am still very sorry to hear that domi has left forever. I am happy for her that she has a kid and is in love with the father, but I miss having access to her. There are about 3 other girls I would love to be in contact with. I saw one in town recently with her Boyfriend. I walked by her in a cafe 4 times, until she saw me, we had eye contact, that was all I needed. I did not approach her. If she had been alone I might have (That would have been the cuban Anna I have posted pics of before).
But do all you can to stay on the right side of the line. Everytime a girl has offered me a phone number, I haven't taken it. It is the better option.
CBGB,
Maybe I book better, but midweek I am getting the Mirage for about $65 a night in Vegas, but otherwise point taken.
I am relatively addicted at about 3-4 clubs a month, but I am probably spending about 10K€ a year. That is a budget I can afford, but I have a good job.[/QUOTE]
You must be getting 150 to 165 sessions a year with that much money, 10KEUR is really nothing, I spend about 20KEUR total during my visits to Europe but spend it on nicer hotels and nice restaurants other stuff like that, you get more pussy than most Wall Street bankers I know. I used to spend upwards of $30,000US a year in the late 1990s during the stockmarket/high tech boom on escorts in New York, even incall brothels in NYC were just as expensive at an average of $400US including tips for the lady. The psychological impact of visiting an FKK getting your every sexual fantasy fullfilled is not to be underestimated, especially coming from the puritanical USA. The only release most of us Americans get is in Vancouver, Montreal, or Tijuana, and these places are still quite expensive compared to German FKKs.
The Mirage must be having some kind of special, I just checked on several travel sites and a decent room there averages close to $300US. Still my point being that its a lot cheaper to visit Germany for a few days than party in Vegas, even for those who live on the West Coast. Mongering in Vegas is really expensive, probably the most expensive resort city in the world for P4P and the quality isn't great when you compare it to Germany, even people I have known who visit Amsterdam find the impersonal service of the Walletjes to be an improvement over the expensive Vegas scene.
I also forgot to mention that Germany is an extremely safe and democratic country to visit. There are no machine gun toting paramilitary like cops running around all over the place like in Brazil or Argentina, where tourists have been killed. I recall a German tourist was murdered near my hotel in Rio, people told me that tourists get killed all the time in Rio. I think Thailand is also dangerous, its police are the most facist bastards you can meet. I walked around the Dom in Koln at 4AM without any worries, even behaved like I was walking in Disneyland.
That's pretty heady stuff. I don't think there is much I can add to Routard & Shiatsu's comments on the FKK syndrome. I concur with practically every one of them.
One of the keys for me is the ability to hang out at the club. The various amenities and the food provided means that you can linger at the club for a much longer time than just purely getting a few pops... and there's so much more than the 20+ minutes that it takes you to complete a session. Most other places in the world where you P4P seem to be geared for you to get in, do your business and get out.
It's that constant state of arousal for 8 to 12 hours that keeps me coming back. You can read, take a nap, relax in the sauna or jacuzzi, get a professional massage, eat and look around the room just about every couple of minutes constantly reminding yourself that you can take any of the gaggle of pretty ladies in the facilities up to the room any time you like.
...And about falling in love. I for one am not too terribly jaded or cynical at the prospect of this happening. Yes, there are tremendous hurdles you must over come and millions of cautionary tales about people getting their heart broken or about the character of the women that get into this business blah, blah, blah. But for every one of these horror stories, you've got to wonder that there's more than a few that turned out ok... even an occasional "happily ever after" story. I just don't think too many people are gonna come to a public forum and report the occasion while being more than willing to recount their bad experiences.
I went though 1 that didn't have a storybook ending but I didn't think it was a horrible experience either. Am currently working on #2. As long as you keep some of your guards up and keep things in perspective, go ahead and enjoy the ride.
Am I too naive?
i know about the problems in increased customer traffic during messe time, but what effect does oktoberfest have in there being too many tourists? air tickets are definitely more expensive in october than november but this isn't as much of a concern for me as visiting clubs when the customer/provider ratio isn't so oppressive.
last november i was unfortunate to have visited when the first snow of the season fell. while this wasn't much of a problem in visiting clubs, there were other things i wanted to do that i couldn't because of it. i really am interested in booking the ring-taxi on the nordschleife (that's a bmw m5 piloted by a race driver that takes you around the circuit at speeds faster than you are capable yourself)... but am afraid that if i go there again in november that i'm gonna suffer the same fate. so i'm debating about october but could use some advice.
the other thing that bugs me a little (but not much) is that i seemed to have found a comfort zone... a "safe harbor" if you will, in visiting just the 5 most popular clubs in my last couple of visits, world, palace, oase, phg and gt. while i've had decent times at places like psw, sauna world and other red carpet clubs in the nrw area in the past, i've pretty much nixed them for the sake of optimizing the enjoyment in a compressed 7 to 9 day trip. can somebody give me a compelling reason why i should revisit that strategy?
thanks
From what I know the NRW area clubs do not get many non-German customers, the Frankfurt area clubs are a different story since the city is a business hub. Most of the foreign visitors who go to the Hessen area clubs tend to be in Germany on business matters(executives, military personnel, trade fair attendees) so the issue of price inflation is not as big an issue as in touristy European cities like Amsterdam or London since these guys, forgive the pun, are looking at the bottom line. I found it easy as hell to get hotel bookings in Germany only a few days before leaving.
FKKs do not attract hordes of tourists like the Amsterdam Walletjes or even the bar clubs of Prague which are world famous. These two kinds of establishments make their money on tourists. FKKs work on a repeat business model and therefore depend on locals, that is why the service in an FKK is better than the Amsterdam Walletjes or even the more upscale clubs in the Netherlands, though I am working on changing this.
[quote=fkk lover]i know about the problems in increased customer traffic during messe time, but what effect does oktoberfest have in there being too many tourists? [/quote]
abolutely zero influence on the clubs that you have listed. but is is a totally different story with the frnakfurt auto show, which is on right now. as is the octoberfest, by the way. the octoberfest is over on the 4th of october. so going in the second week of october removes the octoberfest from your considerations totally.
[quote=fkk lover]i really am interested in booking the ring-taxi on the nordschleife (that's a bmw m5 piloted by a race driver that takes you around the circuit at speeds faster than you are capable yourself).[/quote]
hmmm, to me this does not sound like a lot of fun. it would be much better to get a short intro and then try it myself. even if you do not go as fast as the pros do, it is pretty cool to go 230 kmh on the ring.
[quote=fkk lover]the other thing that bugs me a little (but not much) is that i seemed to have found a comfort zone... a "safe harbor" if you will, in visiting just the 5 most popular clubs in my last couple of visits, world, palace, oase, phg and gt. while i've had decent times at places like psw, sauna world and other red carpet clubs in the nrw area in the past, i've pretty much nixed them for the sake of optimizing the enjoyment in a compressed 7 to 9 day trip. can somebody give me a compelling reason why i should revisit that strategy?[/quote]
i generally follow the same strategy. but last week i went to augsburg and tried the colloseum. i was extremely impressed with the facility and the quality of the girls. so if you want a break from your usual routine, go try the cola. or samya in cologne. also a new club; and i have read a lot of good things about it on the german boards.
happy hunting
euro
[QUOTE=Euro100]Hmmm, to me this does not sound like a lot of fun. It would be much better to get a short intro and then try it myself. Even if you do not go as fast as the pros do, it is pretty cool to go 230 kmh on the Ring.[/QUOTE]
Well I can take a lap with the pro, then take a lap by myself. I saw a video of somebody taking a lap with the Ring-Taxi and it looked like alot of fun. On top of that a 500 hp M5 I'm sure is more thrilling than my rented Opel Astra would be. I could go rent a 911 for 1000 euros a week or thereabouts but that's kinda pricey. Do you know a cheap place to go rent a reasonably powerful sports car?
[QUOTE=Euro100]...last week I went to Augsburg and tried the Colloseum. I was extremely impressed with the facility and the quality of the girls. So if you want a break from your usual routine, go try the ColA. Or Samya in Cologne. Also a new club; and I have read a lot of good things about it on the German boards.[/QUOTE]
Samya sounds intriguing and is convenient. ColA would mean having to drag my butt all the way down south so unless I found something else interesting to do down there, I probably wouldn't consider it.
Thanks for the info. I also did not know that Oktoberfest ended so early, and if I went in October it would be second or third week anyways.
As Euro said, the Oktoberfest is celebrated for the last two weeks of September into the start of October, but not throughout October.
If you feel comfortable in those 5 clubs no real reason to break the cycle. You have tried PSW and Sauna World. I don't know where €100 read good things about Samya, because the german boards are spotty on the place. The facilities are nice, but the talent really isn't top of the game yet.
The only club I will recommend to you to break the mould is the original, Bernd's Schieferhof. Every forum member here and on another site that I have taken there have made it their favourite. It is not my favourite, but the tourists seem to love the service aspect.
FKK Lover
You say "I went though 1 that didn't have a storybook ending but I didn't think it was a horrible experience either. Am currently working on #2. As long as you keep some of your guards up and keep things in perspective, go ahead and enjoy the ride.
Am I too naive?"
No - that is one of the best posts I have read. Yes you are right - as long as one can handle the situation then the rewards can be great. I have also been very fond of a worker from time to time, (although I would never even meet a worker outside the club) and, although it caused some difficulties, it made all aspects of my life better
Tawan
That's exactly how my wife got into working at an FKK. She was fed up there were no FKKs for women - so she figured that the only solution was to work at one. She gave up her job and took the plunge and is now having a great time The only downside is that I am left at home!!
Greeting! I am considering heading to Germany on vacation either late oct. or early nov. I had a few questions
Rates for girls at fkk clubs in u.s. dollars
Are girls availiable for over night stays, if so how much $
Are girls availiable from other places: bars, hotels. cab drivers, escort sites?
Any info and contact info would be greatly appreciated as well as hotel suggestion and attractions, lets face it I can't girl hunt 24/7.
Thanks