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Thanks Guys for the info, I have now a flight to catch. My next login will be at September 23 when return. Photos are Guarantied.
Attached some Satellite images of Morondava/Diego from Goggle earth Although dont have sufficient resolution to see Jamaica Bar from space, Its an amazing tool. Client can be downloaded for free.
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[QUOTE=African Lover]50 $? Thats more than 100. 000 Ariary! You neednt pay more than 40. 000 LT, maybe slightly more in Tana, Nosy Be or Antsiranana, please guys, don't spoil the prices. [/QUOTE]Sorry when I hear that I have to say something. I understand now why some girls in tana were quoting ridiculous prices.
I have seen a change of attitude in the girls in the last few years and when I read this board I understand now
Gentlemen do you know where we are here?
We are in one of the poorest countries in the world and overpaying the girls won't make them respect us.
Remember here the average salary is 30000 Ar per month ok?
And not everybody gets this!
I don't know in another african countries but here in madagascar the going rate is 20000 Ar in tana and nosybe and 15000ar in the rest of the country for all night long.
I am talking about real pros you can find in discos at night
Before somebody asks me
Of course I never picked a girl from colbert or hilton
And at the glacier neither since they are too pros for me and not really attractive but the rates above can apply to the pandora and indra in tana
And at the nouvel hotel in diego as well
So think before you pay please!
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[QUOTE=Vahaza Be]E,
They love gifts AND cash. I never pay more than $50 for the night. They seem happy with that and a good nights shag and sleep in clean sheets. Hard to judge ages. Be careful, 18 is the legal age of consent. Ask for ID if you're not sure. Some hotels will take the girls ID and keep it at the desk until they leave to avoid scams and ripoffs.
V_be[/QUOTE]By the way the legal age of consent in Madagascar is 21 years old.
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[QUOTE=Dodomad]By the way the legal age of consent in Madagascar is 21 years old.[/QUOTE]
You are out of date. The government's campaign against sexual tourism explicitly states in the customs booklet handed out before you land in Ivato that it is a crime only if the girl is younger than 18.
If I choose to offer 40,000 (<$20 US) or even 50,000 Ar for the night, that's my business, my prerogative. Stop whining.
The overlap between the girls at Glacier and the discos is extensive. Glacier often empties out around midnight because the girls are heading to Indra or Pandora. Chances are the girl you pick up at Pandora was dancing her butt off at Glacier earlier in the evening.
The pro versus nonpro line is blurred in Madagasar. Even "dating" usually carries the expectation of "gifts" (kadoy) to the girl for sex according to local customs.
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[QUOTE=Vahaza Be]You are out of date. The government's campaign against sexual tourism explicitly states in the customs booklet handed out before you land in Ivato that it is a crime only if the girl is younger than 18.
If I choose to offer 40, 000 (<$20 US) or even 50, 000 Ar for the night, that's my business, my prerogative. Stop whining.
The overlap bewtween the girls at Glacier and the discos is extensive. Glacier often empties out around midnight because the girls are heading to Indra or Pandora. Chances are the girl you pick up at Pandora was dancing her butt off at Glacier earlier in the evening.
The pro versus nonpro line is blurred in Madagasar. Even "dating" usually carries the expectation of "gifts" (kadoy) to the girl for sex according to local customs. [/QUOTE]Hello vazaha be
My purpose was not to insult you but if you want to do so with me up to you it doesn't make you smarter.
Actually that s the typical answer from guys who overpay because they feel more powerful this way.
You are free to do whatever you want to. But as a respect for other mongers don't spoil the market because once it is spoiled it is over and the list of countries spoiled by people who overpaid for years is long. Just have a look in this board! And actually yes that bothers me when I take a girl I used to take for 10000Ar for the night and now ask me for 20000Ar because she got customers giving her 40000Ar! She told me 20000Ar is a lot of money for me but if some assholes (that s her words not mine sorry! ) give me double I take it. Very smart indeed.
BTW the girls who go at the glacier usually don't go at le pandora they don't target the same kind of customers. Sorry to disappoint you.
Ask any serious Malagasy girl if she wants to go out in the week ends she can go to pandora or caveau or le bus but never I mean never to le glacier or Indra another thing.
Pros and nonpros is a very different thing in Madagascar.
But of course you have to stay long enough to be able to see it.
Since there is a fixed price for pros that everybody knows there is no such a rule for nonpros it can be free (yes free! ) to small gifts or an invitation to a restaurant. It depends of course where you pick up the girl.
Vazaha be do you seriously believe in the government's campaign against sexual tourism? So. You won't be surprised to hear that the legal age of consent in Madagascar is still 21 years old.
FYI I am very up to date and ask any director of the police for that the legal age of consent in Madagascar is still 21 years old. Whatever can be written in the customs booklet.
3 months ago I had a friend who had a problem with a girl who was 19 years old that makes him out of trouble for you right?
Well he has to pay a huge amount of money for madagascar because her mother didn't agree with their relation.
So whatever happened between you and a girl below 21 years old if the family decides to bother you.
They can they legally can and they will. Believe me.
So up to you you think I am a liar no problem. I won't ask you if you speak French and Malagasy and how long you have been in Madagascar.
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I'm with Dodomad on this topic. Last August I spent two and a half wonderful weeks in Madagascar, and apart from a bit of a misunderstanding / jet lag / drunken episode / rip-off girl, never paid more than 20,000 Ariary, usually around 17,000. I was in Tana, Diego, Nosy Be and Antisirana (spelling?).
I do agree that you'll pay more at Glacier or Le Bus or other more upmarket places.
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I wasn't trying to "insult" anyone or be "smarter" than anyone else. And I never accused anyone of being a liar. Relax. I was merely reporting MY experiences, which apparently differ from yours. I've been going to Madagascar for over 30 years and speak a little Malagasy. I've spent months at a time in Tana and know the city well. I guess our experiences are just different.
For example, Nana -- who I posted pics of below -- is the same girl dancing at Glacier a few weeks ago that I picked up earlier at Pandora. And I've seen/picked up plenty of Glacier girls at Pandora, Caveau and Indra (but never at Le Bus, which I find to be too full of tourists and middle-class Imerina girls).
As you perhaps already know, official government policy and the actions of local authorities are not always the same in Madagascar. The government is now stating clearly in a wide-spread ad campaign and in custom documents that 18 yo is the legal age of consent, but a local family (in collaboration with the corrupt cops) can still make your life difficult in pursuit of a suitable bribe. I'm sorry to hear about your friend.
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By the way, I've also had REAL nonpro girlfirends in Madagascar. Some of them love the gritty, sweaty atmosphere of Indra, which has more Malagasy women AND men partying and dancing on a given night than any other club in Tana. Personally, I find Caveau boring. The Hilton is even worse. My preferences are Pandora and Indra, but these are just PERSONAL preferences. I respectfully disagree about Glacier. It has the best live music in Madagascar, and plenty of regular Malagasy people of all ages and backgrounds go there to drink and dance.
Dodomad, I'm sure you can still pick up MANY pros off the streets in Tsaralalana for the low price you prefer to pay. Some are hardcore, others are "students" trying to make ends meet. If I'm an "asshole" for paying ~$20 to beautiful women who satisfy me in every way possible, then let's just say that I'm a happy, content asshole. ;)
My friends and my own experiences tell me that many if not most of the pros in Tana do not come from Tana. Local girls tend to be worried that friends and family might discover what they're doing. Most of the pros I've met in Tana are from Tulear, Diego, Mahajanga and Tamatave.
I suggest we just share our experiences here and spare the value judgements, azafady.
Misaotra betsaka.
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[QUOTE=KingTubby]I'm with Dodomad on this topic. Last August I spent two and a half wonderful weeks in Madagascar, and apart from a bit of a misunderstanding / jet lag / drunken episode / rip-off girl, never paid more than 20,000 Ariary, usually around 17,000. I was in Tana, Diego, Nosy Be and Antisirana (spelling?).
I do agree that you'll pay more at Glacier or Le Bus or other more upmarket places.[/QUOTE]
King T--
Try offering a gorgeous light-skinned girl at Le Taverne in the Hotel Colbert 20,000 Ar (~$10), and see how far you get :eek:. Again, and this just my experience, the Imerina girls (more Asian in appearance) ask for more and often command more -- if you can find one. Fortunately (for me), I prefer the more mixed, darker African looking gals. If you like to haggle, Madagascar is great for that, whether it's over pussy or tourist souvenirs. Just not my thing.
I also don't pick up street girls anymore, despite the bargain prices they offer. But they're abundant and some look great! Personally, I'd rather chat up a sweet young nonpro thing at the Jumbo Score Supermarket/Mall, and keep her for a day or 2 of fun and games. It takes a little more time, some luck and perhaps some finesse, but it's more rewarding to me (and the sex is more of the girlfriend variety).
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but I can't believe how some folks get their knickers so twisted over so little money. $10 or $20 -- it's still a steal.
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When I last vsited Madagascar (in 2004) the Ariary was already introduced. However, everybody was still counting in franc malgache. I also negotiated with the girls in Fmg. Has this changed nowadays? Is everyone now counting in Ariary?
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[QUOTE=Vahaza Be]King T,
Try offering a gorgeous light-skinned girl at Le Taverne in the Hotel Colbert 20,000 Ar (~$10), and see how far you get :eek:.
If you like to haggle, Madagascar is great for that, whether it's over pussy or tourist souvenirs. Just not my thing.
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but I can't believe how some folks get their knickers so twisted over so little money. $10 or $20 -- it's still a steal.[/QUOTE]As I said before I never took a girl from the Colbert or Hilton.
everybody knows they cater to businessmen and charge ridiculous prices.
Maybe you are I dont know...as for myself I m not and I dont see the point of paying more when I can have the same thing or even better at a normal price.
I repeat again the prices I said are for pros that people will find in the discos in every city.
Of course the price for a street girl is definitely lower since they cater mainly to the locals and are usually less beautiful.
Anyway I wont recommend to a newbie to go with them for health or safety reasons.
As for discussing the prices:
Everywhere in the world except Europe and North America people haggle before buying whether they like or not!
Locals expats everybody in Africa in Asia.
this is part of the life and part of the game, and people respect you more if you do it that if you dont do it I m sure about that!
$10 or $20 it s the same for you. It is because you compare to your home country instead of comparing to the country where you are.
10$ is a lot of money in Madagascar!!
I could forgive you if that was your first time in Madagascar but you said you ve been going to Madagascar for over 30 years and speak a little Malagasy!
So you know the prices I said and you know they are right so why do you overpay??I just dont get it.
The problem is if people read your post and go to Madagascar they will think well I should pay 20$ for every girl I will be sleeping with and next year what?40$? 80$?
I repeat for everybody the maximum you should ever pay for a pro in Madagascar is 20000Ar (or 100000 FMG since most of the people still talk and think in Malagasy Francs) all night.
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Why donīt you let everybody pay just what he wants? You can say whatever you want, it does not have the smallest influence on what I am will to pay.
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[QUOTE=Hermescali]Why donīt you let everybody pay just what he wants? You can say whatever you want, it does not have the smallest influence on what I am will to pay.[/QUOTE]
Precisely.
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Economics
let's see if i get this right.
on the basis of the super high over-the-top price for lt of usd 20 = euro 15,75 at todays exchange rate.
i pay in budapest e 400 for all night = 25 times sex all night with a black beauty and one hand-job (the ,39 in my calculation).
at the super-dooper-scrape the barrel price of usd 10 = euro 7,87 i get for my budapest rate 50 times sex and 2 hand-jobs.
however the difference between the two rates of euro 15,75 and euro 7,87 x 365 (thank god for viagra) is euro 5.748 - 2.872 = 2.876, or divided by 400, will give me 7 nights of sex with a nice hungarian beauty and a hand-job.
after having made this completely useless point, i wonder if i am the only one in this thread who has done so :).
v. (green with envy, thoroughly frustrated by not having a chance to sample some of these beautiful black women you guys can for whatever the "proper" local rate is).
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[QUOTE=Hermescali].... You can say whatever you want, it does not have the smallest influence on what I am will to pay.[/QUOTE]
Everyone has it's own view and I agree, 10 or 20 $ is not a big difference for us in the western countries. But: Why should I pay more for a girl who already gets a lot of money in relation to the other people arround her (+ eating, + some clothes or so)?
IMHO its better to give some things to other people who are in need: some clothes to a family, eating to a poor person or financial support to students to buy a book. There are a lot of people in need, some of the ugly, who don't have the chance to get money by having fun with us. So help them instead. Don't give money, support them directly by giving them something to eat or a book, or a trouser ..... or even better: give them work by taking a Pousse-Pousse.
There are a lot of ways to help. Beside the many beautiful women there are other people, who can't attract our attention that much. Just look at them.