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[QUOTE=Dandyist;1747542]So I am all booked and good to go for the end of the month. Very excited. I found a nice private casa in Old Havana, close to Obispo and Parque Central. I am more of a day game kinda guy so I am hoping to meet girls in the park and on the streets in this area, take them back to my casa for maybe an hour or so. I have an electronic translator and can make due that way. My Spanish sucks and I am not Don Juan so I am assuming most of my adventures will be with at least semi-pros. But like I said, I like doing "stuff" during the day. My nights will be spent chica-free enjoying the jazz and clubs, etc.
So do you guys have any tips, suggestions, and maybe give me some ideas on what I can expect? Is my plan realistic?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Obispo street is one of my favourite places in Cuba. A walk down the street offers many exciting experiences. Great buildings, a lot of history, exciting eateries, local shops, markets and many cute Cuban girls. In the end of Obispo street you will find a very nice avenue (Ave Carlos Manuel Céspedes). In direction against Malecon you will find nice local bars with many Cuban hanging around. No problem to find girls here. Parque central is also a good place to find girls and short distance to famous places in Havana. In central Havana you also have Casa De La Musica. I hope you will a great trip and looking forward to a report when you return from Cuba.
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[QUOTE=Dandyist;1747542]
So do you guys have any tips, suggestions, and maybe give me some ideas on what I can expect? Is my plan realistic?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]To start with your biggest issue is going to be not knowing spanish.
Obispo and Parque Central is a commercial area, there are many hustlers in Obispo and don't fall into their traps, such as getting invited for a talk / drink / dinner etc.
Have a realistic expectation. Keep in mind chicas are scared of the cops, unless she is a hardcore puta who is giving the cop either dinero or her pussy. You do not want to go with them as she is going to demand a lot of money and the service is going to be poor.
To me a normal girl is someone who's family is well connected and make good money, or has a family in Miami or has a foreign sugar daddy. She is not interested in making few bucks more as she has enough. If you get one of them then it is based on pure luck especially when you are there only a week.
So, that leaves you with, what you rightly said semi-pros. Why do you expect a semi-pro start talking to you, when you are a tourist and do not know Spanish? She has to like the way you look or she is in very much need of cash. You need some kind of broker for getting their attention. So first choose your broker. There are plenty of bici guys around parque central and Capitolio. Don't hop on their bici and tell them show you chicas. Tell them if they find a chica for you, and you like her then you will pay them 5 cuc. There is a risk, they will take you around for a while and then show you an ugly one. So mitigate this risk by telling them what kind of chica you really want. Electronic diary is not going to cut it, use something like google translator before going and make a note of the translation on what you need to tell them.
If the bici guy does find you a chica, then make her your second broker. Whoever she presents you, make her your third broker. And repeat that. Make them work independently of each other. If that is not the case then when you get a second chica, she has to pay both the bici guy and the other chica, so she is going to ask you for more.
After 2-3 days you should have few people actively looking for a chica for you. If that happens you would not want to take your return flight home. If it does not happen then you will end up in a bar / disco and end up picking someone from there. Again, it is not that bad. Take help from her as well.
I came back yesterday from a little over two month trip, had way too much of fun mostly outside of Havana. I thought after two months I would be more than happy to leave the place. Wrong. If I could, I will go back today.
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[QUOTE=Taboc;1747621]To start with your biggest issue is going to be not knowing spanish.
Obispo and Parque Central is a commercial area, there are many hustlers in Obispo and don't fall into their traps, such as getting invited for a talk / drink / dinner etc.
Have a realistic expectation. Keep in mind chicas are scared of the cops, unless she is a hardcore puta who is giving the cop either dinero or her pussy. You do not want to go with them as she is going to demand a lot of money and the service is going to be poor.
To me a normal girl is someone who's family is well connected and make good money, or has a family in Miami or has a foreign sugar daddy. She is not interested in making few bucks more as she has enough. If you get one of them then it is based on pure luck especially when you are there only a week.
So, that leaves you with, what you rightly said semi-pros. Why do you expect a semi-pro start talking to you, when you are a tourist and do not know Spanish? She has to like the way you look or she is in very much need of cash. You need some kind of broker for getting their attention. So first choose your broker. There are plenty of bici guys around parque central and Capitolio. Don't hop on their bici and tell them show you chicas. Tell them if they find a chica for you, and you like her then you will pay them 5 cuc. There is a risk, they will take you around for a while and then show you an ugly one. So mitigate this risk by telling them what kind of chica you really want. Electronic diary is not going to cut it, use something like google translator before going and make a note of the translation on what you need to tell them.
If the bici guy does find you a chica, then make her your second broker. Whoever she presents you, make her your third broker. And repeat that. Make them work independently of each other. If that is not the case then when you get a second chica, she has to pay both the bici guy and the other chica, so she is going to ask you for more.
After 2-3 days you should have few people actively looking for a chica for you. If that happens you would not want to take your return flight home. If it does not happen then you will end up in a bar / disco and end up picking someone from there. Again, it is not that bad. Take help from her as well.
I came back yesterday from a little over two month trip, had way too much of fun mostly outside of Havana. I thought after two months I would be more than happy to leave the place. Wrong. If I could, I will go back today.[/QUOTE]Absolutely great strategy Taboc. We all learn something from reports like these. Thank you for laying it out and yes I will put into use as it makes a lot of great sense.
The Tall Man.
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So I heard back from my casa landlord today. I asked her about guests and this was what they said:
I can have guests over but they have to sign into the living book 2 blocks away. They have selection of the guests. They know the key could not be given to anyone and guests would not be left in apartment alone.
So what's this sound like to you guys? Is there going to be someone around making sure I don't sneak girls into the apartment?
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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;1747973]Absolutely great strategy Taboc. We all learn something from reports like these. Thank you for laying it out and yes I will put into use as it makes a lot of great sense.
The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Taboc is a seasoned veteran and knows what he is talking about. With that said, it won't be as easy for a newbie to pull off veteran tricks. For instance; You won't be able to make a Cubana go independent because the culture will dictate that the Cubans stick together to milk the gringo. The second broker will not hook you up for free, she will want a cut. The second broker will team with the new girl to run her Cuban games on the newbie (the broker won't take to kindly for being passed over). Cuban girls are smart and won't sacrifice an easy payday for nothing. If you keep playing this game its just a matter of time before you meet psycho chica who will ask for money up front and team with her friends to rip you off. The key is to break the newbie tendencies and dictate the terms up front. Don't do more than one chica at a time, teams are sure to rip you off. And as Taboc said don't be so desperate that you accept the ugly girls that the bici guys introduce you to.
I talked to JV a few weeks ago after he visited Cuba and he used our trusted bici guy who speaks English to hook him up. He said the girls were rough street girls and the service was spotty. Understand that the bici boys are connected to the street and will get you the easier most dependable girl to make a quick buck but she will probably be a first rate hustler, any girl that is a keeper the bici boy is going to run through her first and by the time she gets to you she is hardcore.
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[QUOTE=Dandyist;1748019]So I heard back from my casa landlord today. I asked her about guests and this was what they said:
I can have guests over but they have to sign into the living book 2 blocks away. They have selection of the guests. They know the key could not be given to anyone and guests would not be left in apartment alone.
So what's this sound like to you guys? Is there going to be someone around making sure I don't sneak girls into the apartment?[/QUOTE]I think this is about security? To have control over whom girls who are in the apartment in case of theft or control from the government? If girls know that their identity is checked they wouldn't take the risk of stealing from you or things from the apartment.
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[QUOTE=Taboc;1747621]To start with your biggest issue is going to be not knowing spanish.
Obispo and Parque Central is a commercial area, there are many hustlers in Obispo and don't fall into their traps, such as getting invited for a talk / drink / dinner etc.
Have a realistic expectation. Keep in mind chicas are scared of the cops, unless she is a hardcore puta who is giving the cop either dinero or her pussy. You do not want to go with them as she is going to demand a lot of money and the service is going to be poor.
To me a normal girl is someone who's family is well connected and make good money, or has a family in Miami or has a foreign sugar daddy. She is not interested in making few bucks more as she has enough. If you get one of them then it is based on pure luck especially when you are there only a week.
So, that leaves you with, what you rightly said semi-pros. Why do you expect a semi-pro start talking to you, when you are a tourist and do not know Spanish? She has to like the way you look or she is in very much need of cash. You need some kind of broker for getting their attention..[/QUOTE]You said you were mostly outside Havana, where was that exactly and how was the action?
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Taboc said 3 key words " outside of Havana " and he is correct.
Avoid Havana and its headaches and go to the campo for the real thing.
I will be in Havana for the the first week of August contact me if you want to meet up for a drink and conversation.
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[QUOTE=MrSoulo;1748418]You said you were mostly outside Havana, where was that exactly and how was the action?[/QUOTE]Arrived and departed from Havana, also had to go there in between for the visa run. Most of the time stayed in and around SC and Ciego. I have been here before, so there are folks who I consider close to me and they helped me to meet chicas. Once they know you are clean, you are not a creep, treat their woman with respect and compensate them (2-5 cuc) and chicas max 30 cuc + cerveza + food. I had one of the chicas mom buy groceries, meat and cook at my place for me and others, it was costing me around 10 cuc a day. Funny, I have to do the mental math to convert pesos to cuc while writing this as all the transactions were in pesos. I will have to find a day to write experiences more in detail.
Havana was a different story. I almost punched a taxi driver for acting superior and insulting and making fun of a normal cubana. This driver or his wife must be lending their ass to some high placed source to get an opportunity drive Cuba taxi and he had the nerve to make fun of a good chica doing her research in economica. If she can speak English well, she sure can walk into ivy leagues and teach macro economics without any prep. Too bad every chica with a yuma is branded as jinetera. This sarcastic mother fuckers face is still in my head and I regret not punching him.
While I felt like respecting and treating the chicas kindly big time outside Havana, it was other way around in Havana. The chicas outside were more than thankful if you buy them a pop, the one in Havana said she only drinks Heineken or Redbull. I had to tell another she was same as her bag, both are bad fake. Above all one chica had the nerve to say she wants 200 for an all nighter. The sad part is, she was getting it from the 'new' tourists. The area around Hotel Habana Libre, Calle O, 23, Infanta / Malecon are full of hookers (I don't want to call them chicas) and they all want atleast 40 cuc for one leche. In clubs an unknown ones show up out of no where and asks for a drink, when I said no, they made face and walked away. I felt I was in another Cuba. I found some 50% of them unfuckable. When I did find the ones I like, they got drilled nice and hard. I had it in my way, never showed any desperation, stuck to my standards / rules and was willing to goto bed solo if the need be. I had an young, 20 something bici driver who helped me big time and then had the chicas bring me their friends.
One last note for those who are visiting Havana. There are plenty of good casas. So don't settle for a high priced one with difficult policies for mongering. As recommended by a bro here, go around, and see the casa yourself, talk to the owner and make sure all is good. Now don't expect the casa owner to agree for you bringing chicas in truck load of chicas. He has his pride, especially when he can rent a casa in Cuba, he / she certainly has some pride. So be smart in your questions and understand the meaning between two lines of their answers. Here is an example.
You: Is the casa totally independent.
Answer: Yes.
You: Can I have the keys to all doors and come / go as I wish with my friends.
Answer: Yes.
You: I will make sure all is well and no problems, but want to know whether the casa is like my casa, I can do what I want. Is that OK.
Answer: Yes.
See, no talk of chica in the conversation and it works all the time for me to do what I want to do.
Have fun.
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Taboc
Thanks for the great info, hopefully guys will learn from it and not ask silly questions that this report just answered. We all want to be helpful but sometimes you ask yourself if you are sacrificing too much of yourself and how to operate successfully and if it's really worth it. Well, Taboc just gave everyone several keys to Cuba and also to mothering in general. I suggest you read the report below at least twice and digest it for future reference when traveling.
Also telling the Chica she was a bad fake like her bag, was priceless. It's a nice way to insult a Chica, while cutting into her core which most likely won't get a comeback LOL.
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Thank you to everyone for the great tips and suggestions. I've learned a lot from my questions and reading these forums, so much so that I've subscribed out of gratitude. So thanks again.
Feel free to pm me with any other advice you may have for a newbie like me. I'm leaving next week so it's fast approaching.
And I may take you up on your offer Adinga. I'll be there during that time.
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For all these newcommers asking a ton of questions, please contribute by writing a report when you get back.
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[QUOTE=Sammytheman;1749424]For all these newcommers asking a ton of questions, please contribute by writing a report when you get back.[/QUOTE]Of course! Looking forward to sharing my experiences. I'm leaving for Havana next Thursday.
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Trip Report. Havana
First ever trip to Cuba: divided by Day-of-the-week.
Preface: My experience to date is limited: Panama, St Maarten, DR (SD, BC, PC, Sosua). You'll hear many comparisons to the latter, as I've had many trips there for a novia and light-mongering. I've posted only once under a different logon. This is a new logon for me.
Sunday. Arrived evening – I had taken a plane from Florida to Santo Domingo, 2-days in BC. A bit of a story, there, but, as is typical: disappointing for me. To be brief: I screwed-up by letting some psycho-chica in BC keep me out at 3 different discotecas while she went thru her female fantasy about being a music-video girl; complete with the cute little facial expressions while she did her dance-routines for me. Entertaining at first, but then you get them back to the room, and they're tired now, and all the dance energy is nowhere. So, I started my trip to Havana having had only a couple hours sleep, and a mediocre time to credit it to. The plane was several hours late departing SD; so not much energy, other than settling into the living arrangements: apartment with private entrance; although very small; it meets my needs. Vedado area; good location; although the local beat-cop already knows me (see below); don't do this!
So, I was tired Sunday night from all the waiting for the late aircraft, so was happy to just walk-around and get 'the lay of the land' in my immediate neighborhood; and it was relatively quiet, due to it being Sunday. I enjoyed doing the same during the day on Monday, noting that I've seen more attractive women in one day in Havana then I had in multiple trips to the DR. Of course, some of this is my personal tastes; which are subject to change over time. Let's say: I've had enough experience of the exotic creole-looking women, and would now like to enjoy some more European-looking beauties.
While walking around Sunday night, I noticed all the people; mostly 20-somethings; clustered around areas on Ave 23 (La Rampa), where a wireless connection could 'be had'; however, this proved to be almost more trouble than it's worth. Although, I did later get to send off a couple SMS messages, which were critical to re-convening with some my new-found favorites. Note: the numerous people trying to get a connection is good camouflage for the street-girls.
I booked my entire 7-day stay for the same place in Havana. This is by design. I had a break from work; so, "get while the getting good" The plan is to focus on the local Havana area and set the stage for future trips; and, as it proved: lots to occupy oneself in Havana; given that you avail yourself of the situation. Which bears commenting: I generally travel alone. I'm down for a meetup, but, my style is low intensity; due to my age. More on this later, as there are health-factors.
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Trip report. Havana
Monday night: time of my life. My European-looking gals. My hope was to meet some of these types, as I've had enough of looking at the girls in the DR. I'm looking forward to an MDE trip, but actually canceled one last November; due to weak Spanish. I'm encouraged by this trip, however, because I seem be having constructive exchanges; although, only on simple, everyday matters. So, it's the Paisa-type I'm interested in, so I'll be looking for them here in Cuba, and going to MDE soon. Which deserves comment: I am gringo, and there's No hiding it; so, a factor in everything I do.
First meetup. I'm walking up the hill towards the restaurant, not paying much attention to other people. Two girls pass me, but I'm not really even looking. One 'throws me a kiss' as they pass. I'm amused, but not taking it seriously. Then it registers: she's the kind I've been hoping for on this trip: light-skinned, tall, long dark straight hair pulled back to expose the big hooped-earrings, I mean: "schwing". I do a quick 180. She turns and walks back We make small-talk, then she implores me with 'words to the effect': there are many police around – make a move. I tell her my 'casa is cerca'; we're off. She giggles, and remarks, when she see's it just around the corner. Through the door, and we're 'off and running'. She stops at one-point to give me a Shit-Test. She asks if I have a novia here in Cuba? WHAT?: this must be "honor among thieves", or possibly some type of union organizing? Then, she asks if it's my first trip. This explains itself quickly, as I just got there. That's past, then Total GFE: the personification of what is talked about on this site regarding 'Cubanas'. Just go down the list and check all the boxes. What a relief after trying to hang with those 'tired women' in Boca Chica; passionate embrace and kissing, coming alive with enthusiasm. I pull it out and hand it to her. I'm only average HWP, but I'm so turned-on. She remarks "Oh, grande". None of this 'where's the condom crap' I mean sucking me like she loved me, and wanted to suck it down her throat. I went down on her so quick and it was wonderful. You know: rico, rico, si, si. I finished her and then put her on top of me for a great finish as she is panting for my completion and taking the 'leche in the boca'. To end: we're smiling, I'm getting her contact-information (as described here: she has limited capability). I roll-off a couple 20's looking at her, she asks for one more, and is very happy with it. I'm happy to give it to her: she's just given me one of the best experiences of my life. I mean: no games, no bullshit, we want this, lets do-it. F*ck, this is what I'm here for. She's out the door. WOW. I'm float'in a couple feet off the floor. I pull-it-together and head back for the restaurant to re-fortify.
There's a big, government run restaurant in the Melia hotel building. Pretty Spartan, but has some good salads; if you're "needin' to watch your health". This is rare in the DR, in my experience, to find good salads. Reason alone to stay at an all inclusive, where they have good salad-bars.
I figure I'll just walk 'the strip'; that is: Ave 23 (La Rampa), check-out the scene for the next night. I'm walking down hill near the discotecas. There are lots of people there getting a wireless connection around the art-school and the office-buildings. Along disco-row, there are lots of women, and a few guys just sitting around near the entrances to the clubs. I look up briefly and there she is: A natural blond: no dark-roots, real European-looking; big beautiful eyes 'looking dead at me without flinching'. Damnnnn! I acknowledge her, but keep moving; as I'm worried about my capability (remember the age-thing). I've just busted a hour ago. I move down the row, another cutie looks me dead-on; she's more the dominicana-type; but a face like an angel; you know what I mean. I keep going. The door-men are doing an admirable job of trying to cajole me into going in. I check out the first one: TIKOA. It's hot in there, but the girls are all looking' at me. They're happy I'm there, but I'm not moving. I just stand and enjoy the music; not my favorite. I'd rather listen to the traditional Latin-sound. This is all the new stuff: just gyrate and go-dreamie. I exit and head down the strip, but can-not get my mind off the blondie. I double back and she's still there. I sit next to her and start lay'in it out. I have 'a casa cerca'. She looks at me 'knowingly', and says words-to-the-effect: well, 'vamos a casa'? I say 'si'. I brief her to follow a distance behind me; based on help from this site. The cop is no longer on the corner; as he had been earlier both nights. I have the gate open and we're through the door. She's sit's down and says 'entonces'. I go for a kiss. GFE kissing and touching. I go for her top, as I had been pleasantly surprised to see that she had a nice cleavage. I witness some close-to-perfect titties. I enjoy them as much as I can: licking her light-pink nipples, one-side, then the other, then back-again. She's fondling my head gently as I do this. I feel like a 'babe in arms'; so, it's time to break-it-off. I sit her down on the couch and ask for 'equal time'. Again, as with the other, on me right-away. All that can be asked. I am thinking 'this can't be real'. I take off her pants to reveal her well shaved pink parts. I begin to lick the top, but she's a little more reticent then the other. Gradually, I warm her up with rotations top to bottom and "para te, para me". I get the condom and start, while she sits on the couch. She starts the mechanical-thing; which is a turn-off for me. But, after a bit seems like she is really enjoying it. She's still not quite opening up, so I pull her into place; but, trying not to ruin the moment, because she's a little more 'stone face' then the other. I'm really needing something more, so ask her for 'cambio' and direct her into 'perro'. I'm enjoying looking at her well-shaped hips and stomach; although, her hips are a little wider; like the other; then I would think with a 'senorita'. So, there may be one at home for each. Also, a little pugginess; but, possibly due to diet. I never asked. I've had too-many tell me; and, I don't want to know. I still need something more. I pull off the condom and prep myself. She asks to go to the bathroom. Both women ask, rather than tell, responding to direction without question or complaint. When she's back, I direct her on top of me as I enjoy her while she continues to suck me. This appeals to my light-kinkiness, so I'm making to the top. She enjoys it as she struggles to maintain mouth-contact as I explode and she works at 'leche in the boca'. She heads for the bathroom as I ponder my situation. We wrap up: I want contact-info and give her 3 twenties; which she acknowledges is good. Please note: I don't want any sharp-shooting on the money-thing. These were command performances with quality-women. Here's the kicker: I'm fucking 60-years old. Think about it. Yeah, I don't look-it. I've had an exercise program, have hair dyed my original color, baby-face, etc But, it took me 3 years after the doctor told me I had an enlarged-liver to quit drinking; and, I had to get worse before I got better. So, I'm struggling to regain my health, at a time when most people's health is going South. Now, I just made it with 2 women; from my dreams; within a couple hour time-span. How's that for Rehab?
Afterward, she asks if I'm returning to disco-row. I say yes, because I'm so hyped at this point, I need to walk-if-off. After I leave her, I pass a couple more Dominican-type cuties. One says: "llevame contigo", like the song. I want her, but I'm just tapped-out.