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It is a pleasure for me to open this thread, although I may have limited experience compared to a lot of the members contributing regularly on WSG.
I am travelling to Manila a couple of times a year, and have done so since 1996. My visits are about 1,5 to two weeks at the time, and I am there for business. Business means that our partners in Manila take well care of me when I am there, ie some arrangements every single day, with dinner parties etc. Luckily, they normally end not later than 10PM, so I have some time for the hobby. But the mornings are hard if you on a regular basis are heading off to the bars.
Regular Filipinas (not working girls): I find it hard to meet and date a regular pinay as my days are fully booked. I try to go to the malls during the weekends, but even so, the girls you pick up are mostly semi-pro. But if you are in Manila for some time, you can date and after a while bed some of these cuties. But bedding is not likely after the first date. Remember that the regular girls are Catholics, the live with their families, and must be home at certain hours in the evening. But when you get that lucky, to meet an office girl, and invite her out for dinner at a nice place in Greenbelt, they get emotional, and sort of fall for you, wanting to make you happy, and finally sleep with you. This only happened to me this last visit, when I had some time to work things out. And the bonus – she was a virgin!
Working Girls: Not even depending on where you hang out in Manila, it is so easy to pick them up. But the attitude of the ladies may differ big time. If you become a regular, and act nicely, the ladies are really good to you. The last two years my regular water-hole has been Casino Bar in EDSA, and the ladies, the bartenders, FM(mama-sans) all recognize me, and some even remember my name. Nobody ever try to rip me off with expensive Lady-drinks, but they have some soft-drinks or beer on my bill. And like some of you guys hanging out in Angeles, I make it a point to tell the girls that I am a butterfly, so that they can not expect me to BF them more than one time each time I visit Manila. And the ladies knowing that, there is no big deal when I come back the next evening. They are all sweet and nice, and know that I am looking for someone else for the next evening. But I buy them a drink, and tease them about the previous night, and they even blush when I whisper details into their ears..he he he..
Internet-girls: Internet is such a nice inventions meeting people across the Globe. And I have been using it extensively for “research” prior to my travels. I started out with Microsoft Messenger, and looked in to the address-books of MSN, targeting some ladies (preferably with pictures), sent them a few emails, depending on their location. As I normally hang out in Malate, I search for girls in that area, asking about places to go, bands playing and so on. Most of them came back with info to me, and then I added them to my messenger and started chatting nicely when they appeared there. Got me two different girls (lays) on one trip, but one of the girls was working in a bar, the other was 19 and had worked in a bar for one year. So I paid them for their services. Three other girls that I chatted with I did not have time to meet with this last time, but I still keep in touch with them. After some time I started to use Yahoo Messenger. More Pinays are to be found on Yahoo than on Microsoft/MSN. If they are on MSN, they are ALSO on Yahoo. There are also other possibilities, such as www.Chikka.com. You can search their site for ladies, add them to your software, and start SMS (text-messages on cellular-phones) them. I am not sure of how popular SMS is in the US, but here in Norway/Europe and in the RP it is POPULAR. The good thing for us, is that if you download the software, you can text them for free, but they have to pay php 2,5 for each reply they make to your text. Another alternative to meet lady-friends are on www.Crushcow.com. I believe they are partners with Chikka.
Summing it up..Non-working girls become much more expensive than WG, for sure, ie dinner at nice places etc etc. And it takes time and endurance. But it is the hunt that is the best part, for me, and then of cause finally getting there... Y
Being nice to the ladies, WG or not, will give you a very good time, when visiting the beautifil island of the Philippines. I feel that most regulars can promise you that
I hope that CanContrib and Cebulocal can give more specific info on this thread, being “old-timers” both in RP and on this forum.
I agree with marconista 100% since he has experienced the full spectrum of girls from working to normal,He is a member of a local board that I am also active on,my personal favorites though are the semi pros,the part timers since they are not hustlers like the bar girls,but you dont have to go through the hassle of courting a normal girl.plenty of those available regards
This html-ish quoting thing to intersperse tidbits is going to be hard, but I'll try to get it right.
To this point has taken some substantial recursive editing, so there really should be an easier way. ... anyway,
This new section should be affectionately entitled
"Proper Care and Feeding of Filipinas". :)
Just don't feed them *too* well once they're living with you or they'll go to sleep too soon, happy for what's the right reason for them but not exactly for you. If I followed my own advice properly then I wouldn't be posting this right now, but it's not that big a problem one way or another when it's "time".
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
It is a pleasure for me to open this thread, although I may have limited experience compared to a lot of the members contributing regularly on WSG.[/i][/QUOTE]
Marconista, you did a fine *fine* job. I could easily just write ... "yeah, what he said", but to neglect to add anything useful just isn't my style so apologies if this turns out a bit longish.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
I hope that CanContrib and Cebulocal can give more specific info on this thread, being ?old-timers? both in RP and on this forum. [...]
Regular Filipinas (not working girls): I find it hard to meet and date a regular pinay as my days are fully booked.
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Yes, that's a problem. Not an problem finding available filipinas, just a problem finding the *time* to do something with them, and then finding one who doesn't mind seeing you when *you* tell them you finally can. Can do though.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
I try to go to the malls during the weekends, but even so, the girls you pick up are mostly semi-pro. But if you are in Manila for some time, you can date and after a while bed some of these cuties. But bedding is not likely after the first date. Remember that the regular girls are Catholics, the live with their families, and must be home at certain hours in the evening. But when you get that lucky, to meet an office girl, and invite her out for dinner at a nice place in Greenbelt, they get emotional, and sort of fall for you, wanting to make you happy, and finally sleep with you. This only happened to me this last visit, when I had some time to work things out. And the bonus - she was a virgin!
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"Salamat na lang" to the mall pimps, and I just smile back at the real girls politely. If a real girl is sufficiently interested, she'll get her cell# to me someway discretely.
You got a bonus! You found the only one! I'm not sure what I'd do if I ever encountered a *real* virgin. In theory unless they're married, they're all "virgins" in this catholic country. In theory I'm sure you can even fine "married virgins". In real life, I've never met any girls at all who are real virgins, though of course in *theory* they all are. Maybe some way way down in the provinces where I've not been, or the very sweet very young girl I passed up last year because not touching her was the right thing to do.
Yes, if you treat them decently, with respect, but still making sure they know you're interested in more than "just dinner", when they do sleep with you they will do it because they love you. You figure out what to do with that little detail in the morning if you have any heart. My answer is that of course I will see them again soon, and do so. Eventually they move on anyway leaving you with a clear conscience and fond memories of them.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
Working Girls: Not even depending on where you hang out in Manila, it is so easy to pick them up. But the attitude of the ladies may differ big time. If you become a regular, and act nicely, the ladies are really good to you.[/i][/QUOTE]
Yup. I think we already have enough accumulated evidence of that posted here.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
Internet-girls: Internet is such a nice inventions meeting people across the Globe. And I have been using it extensively for ?research? prior to my travels. I started out with Microsoft Messenger, and looked in to the address-books of MSN, targeting some ladies (preferably with pictures), sent them a few emails, depending on their location. As I normally hang out in Malate, I search for girls in that area, asking about places to go, bands playing and so on. Most of them came
back with info to me, and then I added them to my messenger and started chatting nicely when they appeared there. Got me two different girls (lays) on one trip, but one of the girls was working in a bar, the other was 19 and had worked in a bar for one year. So I paid them for their services. Three other girls that I chatted with I did not have time to meet with this last time, but I still keep in touch with them. After some time I started to use Yahoo Messenger. More Pinays are to be found on Yahoo
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Won't bore anyone with private stories of how I wound up in Phils in the first place, but let's just say I knew her very well before I got here. Everything we had talked about happened, and happened very fast, which surprised her but didn't surprise me. Even today I get a whole lot more happiness from her than complaints, which is something one normally only dreams about but never expects.
Isolated instance? Not really. I started chatting with another fine lady around the same time, but she had some things to work through. I gave her the proper advice and then after more than a year of her prodding I finally gave her the few hours she's wanted for so long to "make me happy". She was every bit as good with me as she said she wanted to be and she's made it clear that now she doesn't want to have to wait so long for the next time. Maybe next week I can do that again.
Ok, lucky twice? What about the friend I finally had dinner with about a year ago and then we didn't chat much until a little while ago? She came right out and told me a few of weeks ago that next time I should expect her to make love with me for her first time since her "first time" many years ago (and I *know* just how wild that makes them when it happens like that). Why *me*? Well, I'm here and her so-called foreigner "boyfriend" just isn't showing up to whisk her away like he promised, and I'm her good friend. I have an advantage. I'm here and real to her, and she needs some practice and wants me to help her with that.
Lucky again when I get around to it? Chatted with a new one yesterday, "just friends". Fine with me. She said I'll *never* take her home with me. Ok. Told me on second chat today that we'll only ever just be friends. But, then when I said that's just fine, suddenly she seems hurt because I just took what she said at face value. Suddenly there's strong hints that maybe just maybe her intentions could easily be more than "just friends" ... and can I meet her soon? Sorry, not soon, that'll have to wait until she's "ready" - by my definition and on my terms and turf.
Yeah, more isolated instances. Then there's the 19 year old who hit on me today. Could be nothing. "Just friends". Well, ummmm, maybe ummmm, she's chewing on the idea. Yeah. I know where she's wanting to head. Reminds me of the 18-year old that fell in love with me last year but I tried to let down very gently before anything actually happened. She was ready to follow me anywhere and no doubt would have. I bailed at the last moment, literally an hour before I was supposed to go & get her and take her to wherever I wanted to for the next few weeks for starters. She was absolutely beautiful too - still kicking myself for thinking of her future more than the enjoyment she would have given me.
Can you meet someone nice on yahoo, etc? Yes. Just remember most of them are human too, di ba?
Next question no one really asked: "Is there an age-barrier"?
Answer: depends. sometimes. Sometimes 10 years difference is too much. Sometimes 30-ish difference is just right, or anything in between. Figure it out with who you're talking to, it'll only take a few minutes. I've been called "lolo" (Tagalog for "grandpa") by ordinary girls who made love with me later. Go figure. Then again, they say I don't look or act like a "lolo" when they get to know me.
I thought about whether I should comment positively about e-chat-services, and concluded that the more the merrier. The more guys for the girls to chat with, the more of their cute yummy friends they'll bring along for their next online session. The more guys that act like idiots, the better it is for you and me when they finally get someone "decent" to talk to. Since there are increasingly more idiots than nice girls, we good guys win easily every time.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marconista
Summing it up..Non-working girls become much more expensive than WG, for sure, ie dinner at nice places etc etc. And it takes time and endurance. But it is the hunt that is the best part, for me, and then of cause finally getting there...
Being nice to the ladies, WG or not, will give you a very good time, when visiting the beautifil island of the Philippines. I feel that most regulars can promise you that.
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Right. Be a good guy. You will be rewarded.
I know a few "working girls". They're friends, and we date when they don't have anything more profitable to do or when they just feel like it. I know a few "non-working" girls, same thing.
Irrespective of their occupation (or none), it's a toss-up between letting them find me electronically or in person. See where I wrote "them find me"? They hunt, I choose who may catch me. Try that back in North America when you're the wrong side of 50, needing to loose 30lbs, working like crazy but with no spare money? Do I ever want to leave this place? Just let them wear me out lovingly and bury me here with a big grin in a few decades.
Gentlemen, be decent exercising your advantages, because that's what gets you what you really want.
Salamat Po, CanContrib. Knew we could trust you and CebuLocal to contribute on this valuable thread.
But for sure - there must be more gents out there (Pinoy-Gents also) with various opinions, and advice to give, after having lived in RP for years, or visited regularly.
Hello and thank you, CanContrib and Moconista, for your advise and insights on filipinas.
I've been coming and going in the Philippines for 7 years now and finally learned the language (passable). I must admit that I was enjoying myself with the availabily of the girls you can have for the first couple of years. Lately with the work and travel, it is hard sometimes to find the time.
One thing I do like about filipinas compared to other girls in asia or europe. That when you have sex with them, it is like your making love to your girlfriend not a girl you just barfined. They even kiss very passionately, too. That is why I learned to respect these ladies because of the double lives they live.
I am still uneasy of the tag "my foreigner boyfriend" when I'm around one of my steady girls. One of the girls I call on often is a 19 year old student that I met that works part-time at the bookstore in the mall below me. Haven't slept with her yet since she says she's still a virgin but I can wait. There are others around. She makes great company when I want to act like a overgrown kid.
Besides, sometimes I don't have to try and they still try to get my attention. I'm 40+ and I have college girls hitting on me. Would never happen to me in the States. Now that I'm pretty settle in the P.I., it will be hard for me to return Stateside. It is good to know that there are people who have been around longer and are willing to share their experience and advise.
I'm back in the states for another two weeks and it has been a dry two weeks already. I can't wait to get back to my lovely ladies that will be glad to see me once more. Besides, even calling with pre-paid phone cards can still be expensive will all the females I have to call and tell I haven't forgotten them.
Thank you once more, gentlemen.
CanContrib
Great post; some very useful information. I'm struggling with my future plans with a filipina vs my need to play around. My girl will say that she just wants me to love her and she doesn't care if I have other GFs as long as she doesn't know about them, but I'm pretty sure that she's just trying to get me to promise that I won't have others.
As I see it, I have 3 options:
1. Be totally honest and tell her that I'll be very good to her, but I intend to play around.
2. Lie like a mother-fucker and tell her she'll always be the only one.
3. Cut her loose and live an empty life of fucking whoever I want without guilt (maybe just a little).
This little filipina is a world class babe and the sweetest girl I ever met and we love each other. I think I fell in love with her while we were having a casual conversation as she was washing my underwear by hand, happy as a proverbial clam. I don't want to give her up and I don't want to hurt her, but the latter may be a given no matter what I do, and the former might just be the right thing to do.
I appreciate any input you have on this topic since you seem to have some insight in this area and it might help some other guys as well.
Tanker,
Well, it seems as if you have a wee bit of mongering to get out of your system before you settle down. As much of a gem as the gal might be, it's probably best to drop her gently. Trust me! when a woman says that she doesn't mind if her man fuks other women, she's lying.
I would guess that your gal is hoping that she'll be able to put it on you so hard, that you won't feel the need to fuk other women.
You know, most men reach a point in their lives when they realize that fuking aroung is costly, time consuming etc., and they would be better off settling down. The thing of it is, until a guy completely reaches that stage, there's no need to force yourself into something that you aren't ready for.
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thanks for the reply, chacho. i know that no woman can ever be happy if she knows her man is fucking around. i just get the impression that filipinas might be able to live with it to some degree more than some other women due to cultural influences. my future father-in law had a mistress quite openly apparently for several years, and mama wasn't happy about it, but he doesn't seem to be paying a high price now for the good times back in the day. i'm not planning to do anything out in the open like that, but in the philippines, there are so many opportunities that you'd have to be almost in a coma not to indulge. if i did something along those lines, it would be discreet and hopefully, even though women have a radar for that kind of thing, i'd possibly be able to get away with it unrep001hed.
anyway, i'm still tossing this one around. i'll figure something out eventually. happy hunting.
Tanker, if you feel you *really* know her then give it a try. What's the worst that can happen? You can wake up with all your stuff and money gone someday? Or you may wake up to her every morning that you want to.
Yes, that's actually possible. I have a few friends that are not the jealous type. One of them has on two occasions said to me "sure, go ahead if you like her" while sitting right there.
One night she even texted me asking if she could bring a friend over who needed a place to stay the night, and a few hours later she cheerfully went to sleep while her friend made me quite happy. We actually talked about that last week and she said "well, she liked you and you liked her, so why not; I was sleepy anyway". Then again, I similarily respect her right to go play with whoever she wants to, so I would expect your "arrangement" can't be all that much different. Filipinas that consider themselves committed to you tend to expect the same in return - to extreme. Geez if I'm not home at a reasonable hour akin asawa flips out worrying about me. She's told me she'll give me my freedom anytime I want, or stay with me for life, but I definately understand that with her it's one or the other. She's one to keep but those don't tend to let you have any fun elsewhere.
Maybe yours is different? Be interesting to read your update a few months or years from now. Best of luck!
CanContrib,
Thank you for your input on this. I know she won't go for me playing around with other women. If I did that I'd have to be very careful and cover my tracks completely. She's a great girl, as I'm sure you can imagine. I've never had a GF who could even come close to her in quality and affection and anything else you can think of. I'll be in Manila in November, so if you want to get together while I'm there just let me know through this board. I'll keep buying the san migs until you stop talking.
Question from a noob:
How do the filipinas feel about black guys? I'm going to be going to Singapore and was thinking about skipping over to the Phillipines, but I don't want to go over there and get treated like shit for a week.
Great Thread!
CanContrib, you're my hero! You're living the life I want to lead!
I've been to PI only once and loved it there. It is so down to earth there that I am seriously considering moving there someday.
Just curious, do most of you live there or just visit there once or twice a year?
And if you live there, what type of work is availiable (if you need to work at all).
Regarding filipinas, I've noticed there are different sub races among them, there are the ones who have a very 'tribal' look to them, usually a round face... and there are the ones with slimmer faces like the one here. Is there a regional difference where one could find more of one or the other?
Hi I am writing 2 filipina now! I have not met any of them yet but they want to meet. O yeah I am black!
threex@theinbox.org
Here is a site to check out! "Filipina Relationship and Marriages"
http:/pub25.ezboard.com/ffilipinorelationshipdfrm16.showMessage?topicID=76.topic
It is a really good site so check it out!
Jamal,
It’s no problem being a black guy in the RP. Some of the girls new to the scene will be afraid of you do to the reputation of the monster package, however many of the girls, and probably the girls who offer the best return on investment won’t treat you any differently than the rest of the punters in the Phils.
If you have a week, you have to check out Angeles City, I have flown from Pore to AC for just 2 days. If you have never hobbied in the Phils, you just can’t understand how much the girls attitudes enhances the whole experience. With these girls you aren’t renting a sex partner, you are renting a girl friend. IMHO, the Phils, and AC in particular is the gold standard of hobbying.
BJ
Tanker,
I have known a few Filipina’s over the years; current honey-ko is an attorney for an international law firm in Manila. She is an interesting and rather dangerous combination of Filipina passion and western logic.
From your posts I am not sure weather you intend to marry your honey-ko and bring her to the West and then “secretly” fool around on her. If so, I hope that you have a good lawyer draw up an air tight pre-nup. If you are going to live in the Phils, you can pull this off with the girl, but you will still have to deal with the family if you are married.
If you live in the Phils and don’t actually get married, the girls realize that their hand isn’t strong enough to force the issue, but bring her to the West and you are toast.
You mention that you think that their culture seems to tolerate the men fooling around, I actually think these girls are considerably more jealous than western women or Thais for that matter, and I am certain that they are MUCH more likely to resort to violence if they feel like they are about to lose their money-ko. It is very naïve to equate the accepted behavior of Pilipino men and what you can get away with as a foreigner.
Good luck,
BJ
Bangkok_jim, Three X
Thanks for your replies guys. Look like I'm definately going to head over to the Phils now. 8-D. Good looking out.
bangkok_jim, the attitude was part of the reason I picked The Philippines ;)
Hi all,
I need some advice - though I suspect it will be down to me to make up my mind in the end.
In early May I went to Cebu for a holiday and met a really sweet 18 year old (I'm 45) and we went on holiday to another island and we had a really nice time together - some sex (but not lots and lots) and just a very pleasant loving time together. It was really sad when the time came to come back home (I live in the region). Her English is not very good but we get on ok communication wise.
When I got back we communicated by phone and text message and I sent her some money to go to college. She also said that her father was sick and I sent her some money for him too. After a few weeks I got fed up with the money game and got a bit cross with her for asking for money.
Then she told me she ran away from the person she called her father and rented a room and stopped asking me for money but after a short while we lost contact for a while because she sold her cell phone to raise money.
A few weeks later just before the time when we had planned to see eachother again she suddenly got in touch again and begged me to go and see her but it was too late because I had made other plans. That happened twice over the months.Now with the Christmas holidays coming up she is texting me again and appealing to me to go and see her and saying very loving things.
I really don't know what to do. I hate to let her down but I can't tell whether she is being entirely honest with me because of the earlier experience with her 'father' though she did explain that he had been forcing her to ask me for money. I'm also not really sure there's a future in the relationship with such a gap in age, education and distance.
I'm faced with the choice between going and seeing her again or telling her it's the end and I'm not going to see her and I have to decide by Tuesday 25th. As I said I'd hate to think I'd let down a poor girl when she's always saying she loves me and really showed it when we were together - was completely dedicated to me.
Well I suppose I'd better stop there. Any advive welcome please.
Steve 101,
I myself was in Cebu just a few months ago and enjoyed my time with a real young college girl. I'm in my 40s and could relate to your dilema. Turns out that the girl is just 18 when I met her. I keep forgetting that they go to college here as young as 16. But back to the story, we keep in contact and yes, she has also asked for money for her tuition. I gave in once but if she asks again my answer will be no. I may be rich in their eyes but not by U.S. standards. You have to be firm with some of these women and girls. But as always, it is a personal judgement call. Be prepared to get burned is it goes wrong.
I just hope we are not talking about the same girl here. Just in case, the girl I'll be seeing is 5'4", about 100 lbs, long hair halfway down her back, 18 y.o., goes to SouthWestern Univ and goes by the name Theresa.
It is easy to fall in love with these brown hotties. If a gun where placed in my head to choose which of my "girlfriends" I keep on the side would be the next Mrs. Pinay Lover, I'd die of a stroke just trying to choose. Ha, ha, ha... I love (like) them all. Sometimes the GFE can seem so real.
Remember this, Steve. She lied to you before. You can't verify her story. Her sweet pleas could be a ploy to spend more on her. You seem to have made your decision already in your post. If you still plan to fool around still, loose the girl. If she's trying to use you as a bank, loose the girl. As for the age gap. Well, I'm trying to get over mine. I will be seeing my Cebuana beauty in a couple of days. She is so hot and tender in bed. Just something about her that makes that age difference melt away. Plus I am liking Cebu lately.
Steve101,
Take a step back, put the emotions aside, and think.
You're nearly 30 years her senior, from a socio-economic background that couldn't be more different, and find in difficult to converse in English with her. Other than her difficult life, her ailing family, and Brittney Spears what do you discuss?
Do you have a man in your life you call Father who isn't your father? Do you know of anyone else who does?
Since you've gotten fed up with the requests for money it seems that, like most of us, you are neither wealthy nor an altruist.
Perhaps she loves you. Perhaps she loves others. Likely your bank account is the true object of her love.
It's nice that you are concerned for her well being. What should cause you greater concern is your indecisiveness, as evident in this comment: I need some advice - though I suspect it will be down to me to make up my mind in the end.
You suspect (SUSPECT?!) it will down to you to make up your mind in the end. If not you...who? The man she calls Father?
As your judgment seems suspect heed your instinct.
Steve101,
You must be in the wrong board. But anyways here is an advice from a monger's point of view. I'm just pulling this off my ass. There is probably about 0.5% of 40 million Filipinas in the Philippines who would like to get married to a 45 year old Westerner. That makes it about say 200,000 Filipinas. I very much doubt if all of them would have the same problems as your current GF. Having problems at the stage when you are just "dating" is definitely a bad sign no matter who you talk to; and, to think that things will get good later is just bullshit. Your GF will always have the same "poverty" stigma even if she does better for herself. Her relatives will keep asking for money and she will always have the same guilt that pushes her to keep on helping them. Maybe her "Father" will always be in the background. Are you willing to take the odds of changing that trend or maybe "psyche"? Why don't you just pick from the other 200,000 possibilities? I'm sure there are a lot more decent ones out there. Just don't sell yourself short.
steve
I'm also 45, I'm not the stunning guy around, but I believe I've something in between the ears, I visit Phls. since 1989 and I guess I've been there some 60/70 times, have done lots of business there too, so I had chance to learn somthing more than other occasional tourist, I've learned some of Tagalog and I have met tons of girls.
First let me confirm the advise to be careful, particularly when your (real) emotions are involved, but careful means not necessarely to bring trust to zero, handle it the way you feel it.
What I can tell you is that all kind of woman (and man) are available in Phls - same as in your & obviously in my country, the main difference - and this may take time to understand and to believe - is that they have a very very close relation to their family, they are willing to do and give everything for the family (attitude which we westeners dont have - rather opposite we expect our family / parents to do eerything for us).
Finally reg. age difference, well Steve, some Filippinas (maybe the most) see us westeners not necessarely as a walking bank account (as maybe some nasty father or brother ecc.) but as the chance to have a fa maily where the childs would not be raised along the street, where childs could have "western" education, where husband would not come back drunk with 2 or more girls in his arms ecc. ecc. definitly I suggest to look into yourself and to decide, and if you decide for your feeling, make thinks clear with her, and you will see how happy she will be for your understanding, may never bring her to your country Steve, she may suffer the changes (remind this by any of your decision)
P.S. words and toughts of a guy which will (hopefully)retire in few more years in Phls.
Hi Steve,
I feel your pain; I think that most of the mongers that travel to Southeast Asia for short holidays or business trips have been through very similar difficulties. As you point out in your post, this is your decision. So I won’t attempt to give you any actual advice, but I will share some of what I have learned first hand and through other friends’ experiences.
You didn’t mention how long you were with this girl, but if it was a typical holiday, it probably wasn’t more than 2 – 4 weeks. I am always amazed at how a Western man can know a girl, from a culture that he knows relatively little about, who may not speak his language fluently, and yet he thinks that he falls in love with the girl in just 2 weeks. Most of us wouldn't think that we could fall in love with someone from our own culture, who speaks our language fluently, in 2 weeks. Of course this goes equally for the girl who actually thinks she loves us, even though she doesn’t fully understand our language or our culture. The fortunate thing for most of us is that time and distance usually has a way of taking care of this problem, we get back to our frenzied life in the West, suffer from a few weeks of Post-Paradise-Depression, and then slowly settle back into our daily routine as the email frequency goes from several a day to a couple a week. I personally go through this cycle every time I travel to Southeast Asia.
Unfortunately, many of us are too resourceful for our own good. If we are still in the great Wage-Slave phase of life, we find a way to bring our new exotic Asian princess to our home countries. If we are financially independent, we pull up stakes and move to her country expecting to live happily ever after. Sadly, this often isn’t the case, each strategy offers it own unique difficulties.
<b> Bring Honey-Ko Home </b>
This option has the least probability of success and is potentially the most financially disastrous for the Western man. There are so many reasons why this option may fail that it would be difficult to list them all in one post. First let’s consider the culture shock that honey-ko is going to experience when she arrives in the West. She will be removed from her extended support network of a large family and friends that she has known for her entire life, she has probably never driven a car and she has never experienced a North American or Northern European winter and her education level and language proficiency will typically limit her to the most menial of jobs.
If she decides to work one of these unskilled jobs, she will be exposed to many people who have made the type of life choices that lead to menial employment. She will certainly be very susceptible to their influences, she is after all very young, naïve to our culture and our way of life. She will be exposed to young men her own age that she will have allot more in-common with than she does with her new husband given the age difference.
On the other hand, if she chooses not to work, that will present its own unique set of problems. She will be stuck at home all day with little to do besides watch TV (Soap Operas, Heraldo, etc) and eat. Both activities can quickly turn the beautiful, fun-loving princess into an overweight, head-case problem. Just think of the effect that watching the day-time talk shows that feature topics such as “my mother is having an affair with my husband”, or the weekly feature where they have 3 or 4 men and a woman with a baby whom has no idea which of the 4 is the father. The drama unfolds right there on national TV as they announce which of the 4 is the father, the 3 men who get off the hook are elated and the poor bastard who is stuck with girl and the baby is majorly pissed-off. These shows depict these activities as being normal, mainstream America. She doesn’t have the awareness to understand that these individuals represent the fringes of our society; it will mess with her head.
Another huge obstacle is the distorted sense of reality that these girls have about life in the West. First is the “money grows on trees” problem that Holly Wood promotes, enough said about that. Even more damaging than this will be the changes that you will exhibit as you settle into your wage-slave existence. Think about how the two of you spent your time while you were in the Phils. You woke up in the morning and did her “the big favor” before having room service bring up the breakfast, or you went out for breakfast at a nice restaurant. Actually, you ate every meal at a nice restaurant and you never thought twice about the cost, this probably won’t be how you live at home. We tell them that we rarely eat out at home, and that we actually do our own domestic chores. Although they claim to believe us, they are in denial about this, in the Phils people of even modest means have domestic helpers, these girls as absolutely certain that life with a foreigner includes a lifetime escape from laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc.
You mentioned in your post that there wasn’t allot of boom-boom with her, but most of us guys do honey-ko the “big favor” a couple of times a day while in paradise, and we take our time and do it in a manner that is worthy of our new found exotic princess, after all, she makes us feel 20 years old again. However, when we get home and head off to the office all day, we usually can’t keep up this level of service. In her mind, we “have changed” we aren’t the man she thought we were.
Lastly, if all of these forces that are working against marital bliss end up in a divorce, she will be in a position to clean you out financially. She has no skills, no support network; you are responsible for making her “a stranger in a strange land.” In the eye of the court system, you are responsible for her well-being.
<b> Move to Paradise </b>
For those of us who are old enough to retire or who are lucky enough to be financially independent, we can leave the West behind and move to paradise. I am not sure that this has a much higher probability of success; however, I do think that the ball is in our court and the financial risk is greatly reduced. I say that the ball is on our court because we are the ones who will be constantly faced with temptation and honey-ko will realize this from the beginning. If you managed to find this special lady while on a short holiday, just think what you will be able to find once you are established, know where to look and understand their culture well enough to push all of the correct buttons. You will soon discover that the exotic princess that you hastily fell deeply in lust with is just like about 20 million other young ladies who would all be very happy to make you their money-ko. As a matter of fact she is so non-unique; you will find it nearly impossible to pick her out of a crowd such as at the mall. Very few of us in the West have ever had to deal with this type of temptation in our lives and many are ill equipped to avoid the daily attempts by equally young, equally exotic girls that want to steal us away from honey-ko.
Another issue that many Westerners are ill prepared to deal with is the notion of extended family and the financial obligation that this imposes on you if you marry a Filipina. You will expected to help members of your new extended family with financial assistance on a continuous basis, and if you think that you can say no to legitimate family needs, you will be putting your new wife in an untenable situation. They simply could not understand why a family member who has money to help would ever say no to such a request.
However, the bottom-line is that we are in the driver’s seat, you don’t need to marry her to be with her and most importantly, she can’t clean you out financially if things don’t work out.
Given the often insurmountable odds of marrying a Filipina, what should we do to maximize our happiness? In my experiences with Filipinas and Thais, and from watching other foreigners struggle through this problem, I would recommend that you spend as much time as possible with her in the Phils. Treat her very well during your visits, buy her things that she will need but cannot easily hock such as clothes and school tuition if applicable. If she needs medical assistance, arrange to pay the bills directly, but no matter what, don’t send her money. I have a honey-ko in Manila who I take traveling to other countries, she really enjoys this and seems to get allot of respect from her co-workers as a result of our traveling together. It works very well for me as well, I get to spend time with my favorite Filipina without having to spend all my holidays in the Phils, and I have an excellent traveling partner. She even grudgingly accepts that I sneak out for some quick mongering on the side so that I can “experience” the local talent in every country. She doesn’t particularly appreciate this behavior, but she is smart enough to realize that forcing a show-down might lead to her being left in Manila.
I hope that this gives you a few things to consider before making a decision that could literally ruin your life.
BB
Just a quick note to Bangkok Jim....realy enjoyed ur last post, well written, by someone who really knows the Philippines. Im lucky enough to have been married to a filipina for the past twenty odd years ... and still get out mongering..:) . hope the newbies will read and learn...
tnx for a great post... The Flying Scotsman
[QUOTE]Lastly, if all of these forces that are working against marital bliss end up in a divorce, she will be in a position to clean you out financially. She has no skills, no support network; you are responsible for making her “a stranger in a strange land.” In the eye of the court system, you are responsible for her well-being.[/QUOTE]Not only in the eye of the court, but in the eye of the U.S. Government. During the immigration process you must complete an Affidavit of Support. Once this document is filed, and the person immigrates to the U.S, you are legally bound to support them until they are credited with 40 quarters (10 years) of work, they become a U.S. Citizen, depart the U.S. permanently, or they die. Divorce does not terminate your support obligation. Even if your ex-wife remarries, you are legally obligated to support her until one of the above conditions are met.
Bankok_jim I think that was an excellent post. I am texting 2 filipinas now, one is 23 witrh no education and the other is 33 with a education and a 14year old dauther.
You have helped alot!
After reading through other monger's recent posts, somehow I am yearning to hear somebody draw the line between a girl who is "marriage material" or a girl who you just f*ck. Since this is a monger's board, perhaps some would think that they all fall under the same category. I have no problem with that but I wonder if mongers like me have to really understand the "redeeming" value in differentiating between the two; I said "redeeming" coz I could not imagine anybody being nurtured to view the two as one and the same. Honestly, I have seen myself mix the two out of adventurism. Anyways, I enjoyed the most recent posts especially bangkok_jim's.
Hey masterblaster go to my 11-1103 post that has a filipina website that is great!
There is one assumption which I would like to make before I give my opinion.
This is a mongerer’s board therefore I’m assuming that these women we’re talking about are pay 4 play.
I am a little bit perturbed with the idea that we emotionally get too involved with these working women. Maybe the GFE term should be changed to something like GFF (girl fried Fantasy) because fantasy/illusion is what we’re engaging in. Bangkok Jim was also right when he said that these working women are under the illusion that we grow money on trees. I think the reason why they have such thinking is partly because of their ignorance in economics . Our currency if far stronger compared to the Philippine Peso. Compared to a local mongerer, we can afford to pay more. To a working Filipina, especially to someone who has no formal education, she is oblivious on how we earn our money. All she knows is that we can afford to pay more. Therefore she thinks that we are wealthy. However, I think that we may also be under the illusion that these women are somehow, the Madam Butterfly we hope. We have these illusion that these women are raised to be subservient to the male population.
We go to PI to indulge in the fantasy that we are the “MAN”. Let's just leave it that way. I don’t know exactly when fantasy and reality gets mixed up but I think we inadvertently tend to switch the meaning of those two ideas. Somehow, when we’re engage in our fantasy we tend to believe that it is reality.
There are several reasons why we fly to PI and indulge in this hobby.
1) We get more bang for our hard earned buck. I think that all experienced mongers know how expensive it is to hobby in the states. Unless you are Hugh Heffner or Jerry Buss, which has a lot of money, regular hobbyist won’t get much out of the working women here.
2) Secondly, and I think this is the most important one of them all, most of these working women in SE Asia are not as jaded compared to the women we have here in the states. We are able to have more fun with them because they let us indulge in our fantasy. They make us feel very welcome and somehow we interpret their hospitality for caring or even love.
Guys here me out. No matter how these women make you feel complete, good or satisfied, they are PROS!!!! Most of these women are in that profession because they want/need to make money. They are good at what they do. So please, avoid trying to get too emotionally involve with them. It’s OK to indulge into your fantasy as long as you find the distinction between reality and illusion.
If you still want to marry a Filipina, then find someone who is not inn this type of profession. Bankok_Jim made several good observations so heed him out.
Filipina women in general are not subservient. They are more tolerant, forgiving people. This is just how the culture is in PI. Somehow I find this attractive because they’re more willing to put up with my mistakes/flaw (for a lack of a better word), compared to our women in the west.
Hope this helps.
SC
And if you do decide to tie the knot. regardless of what country she is from, recommend that you get a notarized, legal pre-nuptial agreement.
The Flying Scotsman,
Thank you for your kind words. I hope that I did not write anything that would be offensive to an individual such as you who is happily married to a Filipina or Thai.
The entire subject of marrying a girl from a country and a culture other than one’s own is fraught with high risk and high reward. I would like to congratulate you and your significant other on a difficult job well done.
In my limited experience with these matters, I think that relationships with Filipinas are often more successful than with Thais for a multitude of reasons.
The first reason is that the Republic of the Philippines is a significantly more westernized society than the other Asian nations. The long period of Spanish colonization left a legacy of a western religion and a national language that is heavily influenced by the Spanish language. Combine this with the American occupation; militarily, economically and pop-culturally, and you are left with arguably the most western county in Asia.
I love the Asian culture, but a real problem I have with mongering in Thailand is that by the time the girl speaks decent English, she has already been in the business too long and is well on her way to be jaded. The widespread adoption of the English language is another reason why relationships with Filipina have a higher probability of success than with many other Asian nationals. The Filipinas tend to do a better job of communicating with their western husband/boyfriend than the Thai girls. They are also in a better position to obtain employment level proficiency at a relatively rapid pace in the West. Much of their post secondary education is based on US guidelines and is taught in English. The medical programs in the Phils, especially nursing is so highly regarded in the US and parts of Europe that their graduates are actively recruited in the Phils by US hospitals.
However, I think that the single most significant difference that gives marrying a Filipina a higher likelihood of success than marrying a Thai is the cultural attitude towards ones’ native country. The Thai’s seem to be extremely nationalistic, they are very proud of the fact that the Kingdom of Thailand has never been colonized by a foreign power. The Thais as a people just don’t have a burning desire to immigrate to the West. In contrast, many Filipinas have embraced Western culture and are extremely eager to immigrate to a Western country. This willingness to move abroad is undeniable to anyone who has spent any time in Southern California or even Hong Kong for that matter with the literally thousands of domestic helpers living and working in that city.
In closing, I guess I should state the obvious; I am a hard core Filipina lover. I never cease to be amazed at how much hardship the Filipinas endure and still maintain such a cheerful, positive outlook on life. We should ALL thank Buddha for the Filipina, one of the last best things on this planet.
--Bangkok Jim
Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas
Three X,
Seen the board you mentioned. I'm too graphic to be in there. I'd rather stay here. Another thing, I'm no foreigner. Like one old fart's saying "To understand one is to be one."
Thanks anyways.
Gentlemen,
I've hobbied extensively in China and HK, but lately, I find my tastes heading more in the direction of SE Asia. In the next few years, I have made it a goal to visit the PI, Indonesia (Jakarta), and Thailand, never having visited any of these places. What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience with an early to mid 20's woman, who I can hang out with throughout my trip - I'm a 40 y.o. American. Which of these places do you think offers the best opportunity for what I'm looking for? Which has the most beautiful girls? Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? Where among these places is it easiest to find what I'm looking for? Based on what I've read and seen on the net, I'm leaning towards Jakarta. Those Indonesian/Malay girls are just so beautiful. But are they easily attainable for more than just short time?
Crazy questions, I know. Appreciate any advice you can give.
To bangkok Jim.... definitely no offence taken....in fact, to say i agree with you would be an understatement, for someone who has a Filipina wife and a filipina g/f in the UK, and several regulars in the Phils :) you could say im addicted..!!
keep up the great posts.
The Flying Scotsman
Macauman,
The original religious war, Thai Girls vs. Filipinas, with a new twist thrown in just to make sure that none of us will agree, the exotic Indo girls.
In your post, you focused solely on the girls themselves, if this is your only selection criteria I would say that the Filipinas are by far your best choice. However, I would also recommend that you take into consideration each of the countries infrastructure, safety and possibly activities other than mongering. When you take all of these into account, the choice of the Phils is less of a slam dunk.
I have hobbied in The Phils and in Thailand, but my only experience with Indo girls has been in Singapore and Hong Kong. I have always found that these exotic delights are more appealing when enjoyed in their home country, so my experience with the Indo girls is not equivalent with my Thai and Filipina experiences. By the way, if your only Asian hobbying experiences are with Chinese pros, you are going to very pleasantly surprised by level of GFE you will get out of the Filipinas.
Addressing your question individually.
“What I am looking for is a girlfriend experience…” I think that this is a slam dunk factor in favor of the Filipinas. The problem with the Thais and the Indo girls is that by the time they have sufficient English language skills for a true GFE, they have been in the business too long, and they have heard so many bull-shit lines from foreigners that they can’t help but being jaded. With the Filipinas, you can literally be the first foreigner that these girls have ever boom-boomed, and they still have adequate English skills. The Filipinas are so tuned into American pop culture that they usually know more of what is going on in pop music than I do.
Another factor that makes it much easier to find the GFE in the Phils is the simple fact that many of the girls in the business are there specifically with the intent of marrying a foreigner and emigrating to the West. Most of these Filipinas do not even think of themselves as being prostitutes, and would actually be seriously upset if they realized how most of the Westerners view them. On the other hand, the Thais do not share this desire to move to the West, they are very nationalistic and they are much more focused on the financial aspects of the business. As they say in Thailand, “Their business is pleasure, and their pleasure is business.”
“Which has the most beautiful girls? “ Personally, I would give this one to the Thai girls. They tend to be smaller wasted and smaller boned that the Filipinas or the Indo girls. That is to say, that if you go into go-go bar with 100 girls in the Phils or Thailand, I think that a higher percentage of the girls will be stunners in Thailand. But I actually don’t think that is a matter of importance, we don’t need 100 stunners in a bar, we need 1 or 2 or 3, how ever many we are going bar-fine and in my experience there is always plenty of extremely beautiful girls in all of the larger go-go bars in the Phils or in Thailand. In your post you mention that you find the Indonesian/Malay girls to be beautiful, are you aware that the Philippinos are also of Malay decent? Another factor that I like about the Phils over Thailand is that the Thais, although often very beautiful, tend to look very similar. In contrast, the Filipinas from the various provinces tend to have significantly different features which contributes to more of a sense of variety.
“Which has girls who are least hung up on age differences? “ I am not sure that the age thing is really an issue in any of the countries; it certainly is no problem in the Phils where it is very common to see 50 or 60 year old foreigners with 20 year old non-bar girls.
As I mentioned previously, you may also want to take into account some factors in addition to the girls. I would give Thailand the top marks for transportation infrastructure, food, cultural activities, and safety. Obviously Indonesia, especially in the areas with large numbers of Westerners such as Jakarta and Bali, is potentially more dangerous than Thailand or the areas frequented by sex tourist (Angeles, Manila and Cebu) in the Phils.
The bottom line is that you can’t go wrong in Pattaya or Angeles, your biggest problem is going to be choosing amongst the 100s of girls who would love to join you on your holiday.
Let us know how it goes,
Travel to Monger (Bangkok Jim)
Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Filipinas
Travel to Monger,
Thanks for the advice. It looks like the Phils will definitely be at the top of my agenda!
Travel to Monger
Excellent posts. You raised a number of issues I've been mulling over. I'm a bit younger than most, finishing my MBA hoping to work for an IB that has offices in the Phils. I was hoping to snag a honey-ko and if I can find the right one make a wife of her. You have definately articulated some things I need to think about. I'll be making my first trip to the Phils the coming March. I may pay a visit to that IB office there see if they'll pay me a decent rate to start there then migrate back to the U.S. later. Well enough of my life story. Thanks for the posts, keep them coming.
Jamal
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Travel to Monger:
Thanks for your accurate and articulate post. In general, I would agree with your conclusions, however, as one who is just experiencing the Philippines long-term for the first time, I have found the Filipinas (of the non-bar girld variety) much more jealous than their counterparts in Thailand> As you said however, the Thais are much more mercenary than the ladies here.
I would like to weigh in on behalf of Indonesia, where I spent several years. It's true that the general lack of English language skills severely limits the ability to interact with the ladies. On the other hand, most of the university-educated women have adequate English, and they too are readily available to the horny foreign mail. Just walking into a large department store, restaurant, office or other gathering place, and chatting pleasantly with an attractive lady is often enough to gain you a partner for the week-end. Like the Filipinas, these ladies are mainly looking for an alternative to local men, and money is not a pressing issue. I would rate the Filipina vs. Indonesian issue as a toss up. Further, unless you find a university-educated girl in the Philippines (admittedly not a difficult task) the English language skills are likely to be pretty limited as well if you seek to go beyond very basic communications. Finally, given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the Philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom, I'm not sure that Indonesia is any more dangerous.
I do agree with your point about the physical variety of Filipinas from various provimces, but would like to point out that you find the same sort of diversity in Indonesia; perhaps to an even greater extent.
goodenough wrote:> [...] given the recent spate of ethnic violence in the philippines, and the glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners for ransom [...]
huh? *what* "glut of violent kidnapping of foreigners"? why haven't i heard of that on the news or in the papers or on the street _here_in_phils_? true there was the abu sayef nonsense down in mindanao a few _years_ ago and there's the mnla (or whatever) in the mountains who seem to have a deal with the government to behave in exchange for their lives, but really, you would go _there_ looking for trouble anyway?
yes, there have been some kidnappings recently - after all they have to fund the election campaigns somehow, but those were 100% (read: *all*) filipinos. most of those were chinese filipinos since they don't complain, they just pay. further, since they caught the doctor leading one of the major kidnapping groups and a few others, the whole mess seems to have virtually stopped now.
we have this ongoing debate, asawa ko & i. she thinks i'm a prime candidate for kidnapping. she's probably right if she's thinking about me being kidnapped and raped by attractive horny young filipinas, and that might just be a real factor in her opinion. but kidnap a *foreigner* for ransom? create an international incident guaranteed to get the kidnappers dead fast? they're not that stupid! they want money, not their funeral. that's why those not already hunted down now pick on low-profile family people to maybe extort 50,000pesos (translation: less than $1000us) with minimal hassle. you should worry more about being accused of j-walking by the mmda (translation: manila traffic cops).
everyone who lives here that i talk to agrees that obvious (non-chinese) foreigners are probably safer in phils than in north american city centers, always of course excepting truly stupid people who are never safe anywhere.
the wife of course prefers that i don't talk to cute female neighbours in front of our house, just in case.
CanContrib nice report. Humorous and very true..!!
CanContrib:
I agree that the threat is not substantial for foreigners. However, I did have a white, American colleague who was kidnapped last year, physically mutiliated and eventually released after his company paid a ransom. Not only that, but he was taken from an upscale shopping mall, in the middle of the day in Makati. Obviously whoever took him didn't "know better." The threat is marginal, but it does exist.
Need some advice, guys.
I found out one of my managers niteowls as a high price escort. Caught her in the act during a KTV night with some prospective Korean clients. As one of my best managers, her performance had dropped the past couple of weeks and has given her notice. I tried talking to her but all she can say is about saving face and the shame it could bring to the family. This girl comes from a very good family, a top private school and college and good credentials. Last person you'd expect to be an escort. So far, I am the only one in the comapny that knows. Nor am I telling.
Any advice on how I could talk her out of quitting or at least ease her mind that her alternate life is safe with me. Filipinas can be so stubburn at times and single minded.
PinayLover,
Is her performance as a manager in your company very good that you want to keep her? Then call her in for a heart-to-heart talk. Tell her that her secret is totally safe with you, and not to quit right away. Ask her to keep up her prior work quality in the office, and as far as you're concerned, her extra work outside your company is her own private business.
Tell her that there is no need to save face and keep the shame from her family, because you are not going to tell anyone else. And there is no need for her to quit, because you really value her contribution to your company.
I would do exactly what genuis8 said with the addition of a promotion. This demonstrates your sincere desire to keep her. You may get away with a title change with no or a token increase in pay.
Good luck.
FD
Thanks, FD and genius,
Since I couldn't talk to her at work, I visited her this past weekend at her house. Met her mom and family. Oldest of five and bread winner of the family. Her Mom just retired last year. Dad passed away a couple of years ago. Too make things short. I was able to talk to her about staying. She was reluctantl and agreed to listen. I asked her if she has plans to get out of her "other" job but regretably she still needs it to make ends meet.
I found out her Madame get 50% of the take. And they charge the client (mostly koreans and japanese) anywhere from P 5,000 and up. Boy, those guys sure know how to hurt the market. And she only works two to four clients only per month. Now knowing how much she makes and needs, I made her an offer. A promotion and a modest increase in her salary. Plus part-time jobs for her two younger sisters after school in another department to help her out. I'm glad to let you know that she took it. Her sisters start orientation next week and she will ask her madame to remove her from the listing.
Thanks for all your help guys. It is truly appreciated.
You're a GOOD man PL. Cheers!
IB
Pinay Lover, you are a man with a BIG HEART, and you will be blessed.
I also wish to thank Firedick and Genius8 for coming to your aid as soon as they did.
Here, here well done dude. At least you guys here have a bigger heart than my compatriots in the Thailand section. :)
Thanks guys, appreciate your support.
Speaking about Thailand. Yes, the women there are much cuter, sexier and prettier than their filipina counter parts. But when it comes to having sex, the experience with filipinas is, in my opinion, more realistic. Another plus is that most filipinas speak a decent to fluent english.
And those guys on the Thai Board are really hard on their women.
You are welcome Pinay Lover. I'm very glad to hear that things worked out. I wish we had more nice guys like you as Expats.
FD
PS: If it is appropriate to post your business, do so. I'm sure a few of us could send you some business. You may have to do it on the personal ads board to keep Jackson happy.
PinayLover,
I am glad to see that you found a creative solution to her problem by providing extra work for her siblings. This is a good sign of a decent woman who did escorting due to financial needs, and is looking for a way out. My kudos to you and Firedick on his excellent suggestion.
haven't been to this forum in a while. but after reading some of the posts, just wanted to add some comments about the kidnapping situation. kidnappers will take anyone that they think they can make money off of. it doesn't matter whether the person is chinese or caucasian--as in the case with that american guy that goodenough mentioned. i recall from the papers that there was also another case where there was even a video made of some poor expat's ear being cut with scissors to expedite his company's ransom payment.
so it it not really correct to think that kidnappers are worried that they will cause some sort of "international incident." only the philippine department of finance department right now cares about foreign opinion. kidnappers only care about being paid ransom money.
it is always best to be prudent in all situations. have read recently in some competing sites of foreign guys wandering around in the cubao area trying out some clubs. thats really foolish...
I too haven't visited here in a while so this is the first I heard of Pinay Lover's solution to the problem of the young lady. Way to go man! You have probably created the opportunity she and her family needed for a decent life. I'm sure you're changed her life and that of her family forever, and that you helped them gain some dignity for which they will be forever grateful.
Thanks Goodenough,
I'm glad to let you guys know that the new marketing manager is adjusting very well to her new promotion. She is back to par at 110% and her sisters are working out in their new positions rather well.
Now I can concentrate on my hobby that many of us in this board share. With the school session coming to a close in a month or two, there will be a influx of college students out there pretty soon.
Pinay Lover:
I will be coming to Manila tomorrow and staying for a couple of nights. If you're there and you want to hang out a bit, drop me a PM and let me know how to contact you. I'm glad that the situation with you Marketing Manager worked out for the best. You created an excellent solution that helped her salvage her pride and dignity.
Goodenough,
My timing really must suck the past couple of months. I'm sorry to inform you that I'll be leaving for Thailand, the land of smiles. First thing Monday morning. I'll be there for the week before heading for the States (San Francisco) fo attend a company meeting (and file my taxes, too). Go see my Mom across the Bay while I'm over there as well.
I'm really going to miss the Philippines while I'm gone but I'll make it up in Thailand. It has been a couple of years since I've been there so I know there has been some changes. Probably put up a post or two in the Thai board once I'm done.
Enjoy your stay in Manila and thanks for the tip about the place across the street from the LA Cafe. Did not notice it before. Cute girls.
Pinay Lover:
Too bad about the lousy timing, but I will be here for quite a while. As to Thailand, I've spent a couple of months there this year after a hiatus of about 5 years and was struck by how little the place had changed in regard to the sex scene. Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza were all pretty much as I had remembered them. Some bars have closed, others have opened, but plus ca change plus que la meme chose. In a sense, I think I enjoy the Philippines more from that standpoint. It's less overtly commercial here, a little more gentile, and everyone speaks some English. The Thai girls may be prettier, but the Filipinas are enthusiastic and anxious to please.
Goodenough,
Your right about Thailand still being the same. After two years. Not much has changed at all. Most of the clubs are still here and the women as aggressive in the streets as ever. Price is slightly higher but can't complain about how they made these into a business venture that was targeted for the likes of me.
Called one of my old contacts from Soi Cowboy but said she was already booked for the week. She referred me to a couple of her friends and sent them to meet meat the lobby of the hotel I was staying. She did not disappoint me. Thai girls are so cute especially with their long black silky hair. Picked one of them called Titi, about a 7 or 8, a petite slim (size 2 or 3) 22 y.o. Had to giggle about that. Great in bed and had her come over for the past couple of days. Alternated with her other freind Mai about a 7, who is 20 .y.o., a little chunkier and great BBJ. Enjoyed the nightlife with the two of them these whole week.
Thailand is commercial enough and is out in the open. But the GFE is not the same as thePhilippines. At times I can tell the girls were faking the moans and their comments, rehearsed. Too bad they wouldn't let me take their pictures naked for fear of me "selling" them. But I do have a few having a good time out in the town.
On Sunday, I'll be leaving for California for a week or so. Already I miss my girls in the PI. But, I'm sure they'll be happy to see me when I return with some "pasalubongs" from the States. Can't wait to return to Manila. Enjoy your stay in Davao and stay safe.
Pinay Lover:
I think the thing that ennervates me about Thailand is that the girls' English is so limited, and they all learn the same lines and expect the same responses from all the clients. At least here in the Philippines, there's a possiblity of making contact at some level beyond (or in addition to) sex. Also, the action here, at least as it appears to me, is less overtly commercial than in Thailand, aside from the bar scene that is.
I have learned from Dragon Slayer that encountering middle class, articulate Filipinas is reasonbly simple in chat rooms, and the follow up is pretty simple as well. I doubt that, for an English speaker, a similar situation would exist in Thaland. All told, I've been meeting a different class of women lately here, and enjoying the whole experience a bit more.
Have a good trip to the US.
GE
Goodenough,
Arrived late Sunday night in SFO and it is cold and rainy. Quite a different weather experience now eventhough I was born and raised in The Bay Area. Feeling horny as hell and no place to go. Miss my girls in the PI already.
Speaking about english. I never had any problems communicating with the filipinas. Some were real rough and with a heavy accent while on the opposite spectrum, some were real fluent. Of course it also depends on the class of women you ick up and meet. But, in Thailand, english speaking girls are quite hard to find. Hard to maintain a decent conversation. One of the girls I spent the week with spoke very good english but seemed to learn the colorful adjectives and cussed in every sentence. Got her to control it because it got real tired real quick. Other than that, had a great time in Thailand.
I've hooked up with a few women on the internet while in Makati. Some was good, so-so and never again. Plus it takes some investment in time which is hard for me to come by with the last couple of months. I do not hit the mongering scene as much lately since I've been seeing my regulars by texting them. Or hooking up with my little Cebuana while in the Visayan region.
I'll be back sometime in the middle of next week and would be heading to Cagayan de Oro and Butuan City for some business for a few days. I might fly there since one of my girls I called said a ferry caught on fire.
Enjoy your new experiences and keep it up. Hope to hook up with you in Davao one of these days.
PL
Hello fellas,
This is my first reply in the Philippines section of this site. I have mongered in Europe, South America, and Mexico. I just got back today from my first trip to the PI and I am absolutely flaggergasted at how sensual and sexy the Filipinas were. They rocked my world! So far, the PI has IMHO the best GFE's in the world! I totally can see why so many Westerners go there and marry. They have to be the sweetest girls on the planet. I can't wait until I return in a few months. I hit EDSA in Manila and Angeles City. I only had positive experiences with the Filipinas I encountered.
JT,
Welcome to our world ! :)
FD
Thanks FD,
I will definitely be coming back. Everyone is so friendly there. Have you been to the LOS? How do the women compare?
Fellow mongers. I could have put "IMHO" in front of all the below, but that would have gotten old. It is all just my opinion.
JT,
Since you're a "newbie" I'll let you off easy.
Questions such as this one, that have been asked and answered hundreds of times on this board are not appreciated. Don't be lazy. Read past reports. The search function will help narrow things down for you.
Now, that said, since you asked me directly: I have been to the LOS 15-20 times. I find Thai girls just as beautiful as the Filipinas (some will say more so), but I also find them more mercenary. They do not love you, no matter how convincing the reverse may seem. It is just about the Baht. Most of the Thai girls also speak only a bit of English. Usually not a problem unless you want them to hang around more than a night.
I find the big advantages of Thailand are more about the country than the girls. Great culture and history, superior infrastructure (although improving a bit in the RP) and cuisine.
Filipinas are far better for your ego. Not just the pros but all. Girls throughout the country have raised flirting to an artform.
I also find the bar scene far more playful in the RP. When you barfine a girl in the RP, they seem to convince themselves that they are your "girlfriend for a night" rather than just someone to get you off.
A case in point. When you BF a Thai BG and ask her what she'd like to do, she will most likely say "Go shopping". Ask the same of a Filipina BG and she will probably say "Go bar hopping".
Good luck,
FD
Thanks Firedick for the info. Gees, you didn't have to bit my head off. I just asked for YOUR opinion. I am not lazy and have read numerous opinions from many guys. I just wanted to see your perceptions. I have mongered extensively in other countries and get the same question over and over and still answer it over and over.
JT
JT,
And here I thought I was pretty gentle.
My apologies if you thought I was biting your head off.
FD
Pinay Lover:
It's true about the ferry. It blew up, and killed more than 100 people and no one seems to know why, or at least no one is saying anything for public consumption. As to mongering, I understand what you mean. It's so easy here to establish a team of regulars that it's often not worth the effort to go fishing for more. I have recently however, found a couple of new places in Davao that are worth the effort.
Don't envy you the cold and the rain. I think I'm getting too old for the bay area and for cold weather in general. The weather here is getting slowly ever warmer, with a lot of rain.
Let me know when and/or if you ever get to Davao.
GE
The GFE of the Filippina is such an artform.
My experience with them is that they would SMS you everyday with all kind of love notes and then ask you for small favors like reloading their cellphones etc.
Sometimes I get a standardized message saying that they couldn't get through to me, not knowing that a few weeks previously they have sent an identical message. Obviously they must have a template of messages that they sent to all their so called boyfriends.
It is no point asking a Filippina if they have boyfriends. Most would not admit it. When you ask them why their telephone is always having a busy signal, they would say they are calling their family. As if they have so much to chat with their family.
But in the end, it is the ego massage that a Filippina provides. It is second to none. They really seem to mean what they say. Or is it a fiction of imagination that the guy wants to accept?
Miao,
You are absolutely right. I never meet such sensual women in my entire life. Not in Africa, Europe, South America, and certainly NOT in N. America! Filipinas are really sweet and old fashioned. I love it. It kind of reminds me of what American woman had to of been like prior to the 1960's. The PI is definitely worth the 30 hours it takes to travel there, even for just a few days! Pics just don't do these girl's justice.
JT:
It's true. The Thais may be slightly sexier as are the Vietnamese I think, but no one is sweeter, more romantic and more in the moment than these ladies. I doubt that American women were ever quite so loving and quite so good in bed.
Gents,
I would certainly agree that Filipinas are better than Thais, although this is very much a personal preference. I know some guys who swear by Thais. I don't see the attraction. Although I've had some great experiences with Thai girls outside of Thailand, i.e. saunas in Macau, I've never had anybody that I'd consider above good in Thailand.
I'm just about to dump my Filipina girlfriend of two years. She's the fuck of the century and the sexiest thing that's ever shared my bed...but, although she's 10 years my junior, she acts more like 15 years my junior (which would make her about 15). Her big ambition is to be with me full-time. Well, I've been married and I'm not going to do that again. She could do quite a bit in terms of making her own way, but she doesn't. I'm tired of supporting her. She tells me she's bored--well, do something about it. If she came to be with me (I live in a non-English-speaking Asian country), she'd either have to learn the language, or I have to be a babysitter all the time. If I wanted a kid, I'd have one.
This may be an ongoing problem if you have an ongoing relationship with a Filipina. The sex, geezus, it's like having your own personal porn star, complete with body. They may take a mouthful of your cum and then run off to go to church, but at least you get the first part. If you're looking for a traditional cooking-cleaning-taking care of the kids wife that also takes it in the ass, then the Philippines is the place for you. However, if you're looking for more of a partner, someone who's going to have a life of their own, unless you start banging Filipina movie stars and singers, you're probably going to be disappointed.
I have noticed a difference between Filipinas raised in the US and those in the PIs. American Filipinas tend to be more independent and self-assured whereas those raised in the Philippines are more subservient.
As a rule, I second the notion of what Intransit is saying, Filipinas raised in the PIs are loving and very family oriented but you have to think for them, advised them all the time of what to do, and they have low self-confidence in trying to do things by themselves.
If you are the type of man who likes to tell their significant others on what to do and how to think 24/7, then the Filipina is for you.
It was a nice confidence booster that my opinion was asked all the time by a former Filipina girlfriend initially but it became tiring later on since I am used to more independent chicks.
Intransit:
In general, I agree with you. The problem is that after the sex wears off, there's nothing much left except to lust after someone with whom you haven't slept before. The exception may be college education women from fairly middle class families. My experience is that these girls are more independent, brighter and more inquisitive, and are still wonderful in bed. Of course, you still have the same problem with them wondering where the "relationship" is going. I have a friend who believes that the answer is to always have 3 girls friends: a number 1, with whom you spend Saturday night and one night during the week; a number 2, who gets Friday night and another night during the week; and a "rotating" number 3 who shares your bed whenever you're tired of the other two. It seems to work for him.
As to Filipinas raised in the US; they're Americans. No different really from other American women.
Thanks for the great information guys. "Young grasshopper is learning much".
I agree with GE. The girls in Makati are almost like the American girls in the states, b/c they are working, highly educated, and free thinkers. I find them to be very sharp, demanding, and independent. Prices are Makati can be almost the same as States prices. There are higher standard, so the prices are higher.
If you don't like this, then you have to go to the outskirt of the city, or to the provinces, where the girls are more submissive.
I do think that the Filipinas are the most submissive women in Asia followed by the Japaneses and Thais.
In terms of sex Filipinas are better than all the others and they like to please.
Please dont make the mistake of thinking that filipinas are submissive. They may seem submissive but the truth is they are very passionate (remember the spanish bolld & influence for 400 years) and could blow up anytime. Treat them like decent people and they will respond accordingly.
Beautiful or not?
There are discussions in the forum about the beauty of the Pinay and there is a saying "The beauty is in the eye of the ... (something), right? What you may find beautiful may not be so from another mans point of view. I think this differs from where you come from.
To me, the native filipina is more beautiful than a chinese-filipina, but when I discuss this with filipino men, they have the opposite opinion.
Why is that?
I shall try to answer from what I learned from the pinoy gentlemen I work with, and I would invite you to discuss this.
The filipino men look for something different, as what is pure pinoy and beautiful to a scandinavian is an ordinary girl to them. They would call the girls in LA Cafe, EDSA and Bourgos "exotic" and not beautiful at all, catering only to foreigners.
They would prefer places that caters to mostly pinoys, as the girls there would look chinese or even european. And those european looking girls that I have seen in RP is not beautiful when viewed through a europeans eye.
So how do you look upon the beauty of a pinay?
If from Asia?
If from India?
If from Europe?
If from USA?
If from South America?
If from ???
BTW, did you know that the Japanese men not married to a japanese, mostly are married to Brazilien ladies, and then Pinays comes as a good number 2. Good taste they have, the Japanese!
Peace
Marconista,
I, too prefer the more native pinay woman. Darker skin tones and not much of an chinese-filipina. When people from other countries watch a show from the Philippines, many say they look chinese or are of a lighter complexion. And when they come here, what they see on TV or the movies is totally different.
To my filipino co-worker, my cebu girl is typical or Alright in his view. And while my former Ex-GF (White-Sioux) is drop dead gorgeous. To me my Cebu girl is fine as she can be while my ex was pretty. Ask most filipino men who they would like to be with and many would quote foreign women models or actresses or light skinned filipinas. Go check out their local issue of FHM and see who the men in the Philippines desires.
Maybe that is why I like the girls out in the provinces over the city girls in Makati/Manila.
White skin is God to some Asians!
Hey Guys
What are the odds of me finding a nice, smart, pretty fillpina chick for possible marriage in Manila? Manila and the surrounding cities to be exact...
If I am lucky enough to find that, will the Philippine government give me a hard time wtih marriage licenses? I know they do in Brazil, but I don't know about the Philippines.
Thanks
Undray
Undray,
Odds of finding a nice girl willing to get married in the Philippines is pretty good in your favor. And for her, too. Check the Yahoo site and you'll find a lot of them there. Spend some time in Manila and no doubt many would fall (latch on) for you. Many foreigners marry a filipina so that they can buy property sinces foreigners are not allowed to purchase land.
Getting a marriage license from city hall is not a problem as long as the girl is over 25. Anything under will need the consent of parent or guardian but almost anyone will do. The fee is under P500 and is a civil marriage where if your lucky and a judge is available, you can get married on the spot for a couple of hundred pesos more. Rings are required. Grab any two city clerks as witnesses and tip them just to be nice. Church weddings are a little tougher to schedule.
Have fun and explore outside Manila to get the whole perspective on the many different women available.
Undray:
I would say that your chances are excellent. Your biggest challenge will be whom to select. I doubt that the authorities here will present a problem so long as you pay them for "special favors" which is part of the expatriate way of life here. There are loads of bureaus here specializing in finding brides for foreigners, and many of the ladies here prefer foreign men. I doubt it would take you very long to connect.
Good luck.
GE
Undray:
The only other thing you will need to do is obtain a to a "Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage" before filing an application for a marriage license. Generally, this certificate states that there are no legal impediments to you getting married in the Philippines (like you have another wife).
In the case of the US there is no central database that keeps marriage records. Thus, in the case of the US (and I am sure other countries), the Philippine Government accepts an "Affidavit in Lieu of a Certificate of Legal Capacity to Contract Marriage."
Undray,
If you are a resident of the U.S. do not marry her until you get into the states. A fiancee' visa is far easier to get than a spousal visa. Seems wrong, but it is the case. Fiancee' visas are good for 3 months. Once you are married (within those 3 months), the lady is allowed to reside in the states until her final spousal approval is granted. It will take almost a year for the fiancee' visa and up to 6-8 months longer for the permanent spousal.
Good luck
FD
Hey Guys,
Thanks alot for your kind advice. I was wondering, Should I stay in Manila(and surrounding cities) and try to find a decent girl, or should I try my luck in Cebu?
Any advice on these two places guys?
Thanks again
Undray
Undray:
Either is a good choice, as are five or six other places. Why don't you start corresponding with a few chicks from the net and then go where the girls sound most interesting? The round trip from Manila to Cebu via Cebu Pacific is only about $100 in any case, so it's easy to get back and forth.Manila and its environs are going to be more expensive for you than Cebu, just from the perspective of hanging out.
Good luck.
GE
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"White skin is God to some Asians!"
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A more accurate observation is that the color of money is "god" to whichever girl is indigent.
Show me a monger without money and I'll show you a monger who doesn't get laid.
Hey buddy I am only about peace! I wasn't trying to flam.
Filipinos- my experience
I had a long term relationship with a girl who was from the Phillipines and here about ten years. She and all her girlfriends met guys through pen pal serves, married, then were divorced in a few years. All of them. (matter of fact the only couple she knew that was 20+ years was a guy who married a Thai girl, and he told me he went though a lot of hell with her).
Anway, the good stuff first. Very sexual and will do most anything if you ease her into it. Loving, caring, takes reasonably good care of the house and kids. It's like having a size one sex kitten around the house.
The bad stuff. Very Very Jelous and moody. Mabey it's the spanish influence, because that's what it reminds me of.
The Filipinos call it "TAMPO" and it's like dealing with temper tantrums. She was too needy as well, and had issues if you go somewhere without her. Her girlfiends were the same way just in varying degrees. You are definately not dealing with an independent woman. I broke it off with her after nearly five years because she was over the top jealous.
At the time we broke up her 22 year old niece was engaged to a 36 year old guy and looking forward to moving near here. They do not care about age differences at all. They are very attached to their family.
If you visit a girl in the Phillippines be prepared for their family to show up with her to pick her up. You are marrying the family and she'll be on the phone with them alot (which I think is good because it helped her stay close to them). She will need to send money (usually they all send a couple hundred bucks a month). You will regularly hear "Auniti x says...." "Cecila says..." "Uncle Ferndando says..." Family and friends reguarly tell them what to do. I think it's a cultural thing.
If a filipino shows tampo early get rid of her. I strongly suggest you bring her over on a finace visa and live with her for six months BEFORE marrying her.
The filipina girls will literally hit on you at the malls in Cebu if you just sit at the food court. It's never a problem to meet them. Several of her girlfriends used to complain how hard it was finding a white and single guy in Cebu!
Overall, it could be a good choice if you get a girl without the temper tantrums. That's my input. Hope it helps.
King A,
A more accurate observation is that the color of money is "god" to whichever girl is indigent.
>>Yes, you might get it free for a while, but the bottom line is money, or citizenship.
Show me a monger without money and I'll show you a monger who doesn't get laid
>>I know of some guys who lives in SE asia, and don't have much money. First, they don't get much play, b/c they are not willing to pay tourist prices. They get some, but not for free, unless they have a gf, which they don't want, b/c then they can play with other girls.
Everybody that is mongering in Asia, or other countries, are there temporary, or on vacation. If they have to stay longer, they will have a different views, and will not spend like the way the spend vacationing. I can guaranteed that!
Sometime, I think it is like the western girls, but everything take a little longer, b/c they are dependent on you, first. From support to leaving you. Trust me, they have agenda, and plans. Some of them are not as simple as you think.
This is my opinion, and what I view.
Spidey:
You're correct on several fronts. For years, I visited the Philippines on occassional business, and I spent like a tourist because I didn't really have enough time to get to know the non-tourist places, or the "non-tourist" women. Now I live here, and the picture, the pace, and the expectations are completely different. Neither is more "correct" than the other because each reflects a different perspective.
Most of the guys I know who have settled here without jobs, and have reasonably limited means, are still far more well-to-do than the locals, and consequently, they get laid a lot. Again however, their expectations and desires are different and they're not obsessessed with getting as much pussy as possible as often as possible.
You're also correct that there's not such thing as a "free lunch" here, and I doubt that there is anywhere. I think that, in most cases, the agendas of the women here are more fixated on being well-treated, finding someone who is nice to them, and having a good time with someone who will enjoy being with them outside the bedroom as well. From the standpoint of the Westerner, this does cost money; probably as much (or perhaps more) than paying directly for sex. Again, I think the route you choose is driven more by what you're looking for than the search for free or commcercial sex.
GoodEnough
I agree with Uninfun's report.
Filipina's are taught not to display their temper or bad emotions so their only way to express those emotions is to go mag-tampa, that is to sulk.
When I was travelling aroung the Philippines I met a French man who told me he was researching Philipino culture and in all of the world the Philippines had the highest incidents of the berserker. Culturally they have to be nice to each all the time and they bottle it up until one day they explode and go berserk or run amok. So you have to stroke their ego's like little children. If they start sulking you have to sweet talk them out of it if you can.
In my opinion it seems the Filipino's chief value is getting along with each other (pakikisama) While for us Australians being straight or 'fair dinkum' as we say it with your friends is our chief value. If you get mad and tell them off they don't hear it, all they see is an unseemly display of emotions and they are embarrased by it. Especially in public lose it with them and they think you might be going berserk.
I once had a public quarrel with a mate and everybody ducked for cover thinking we were going berserk as they never saw such a public display of temper like that but after we told each other what we thought of the other for about fifteen minutes we sat down and had a drink and were best friends again. Everybody was talking about it because we scared them. "Australians are really weird people, nice, strange and weird with no manners". We express it and get it out of our system they keep it in and for the woman it is expressed as being moody or sulking.
Their honour is more important than the truth so they will lie through their teeth in order not to lose face so don't put them in a position where they will lose face. If you are going to have a long term relationship with a filipina understanding the cultural forces at work in them will save you a lot of grief. It won't hurt you to help a sibling get an education and you make the world a better place all for some good sex not bad is it?
Bilboa
I prefer girls with some color and some body where can I get plenty of action threesomes and with some color? from previous threads it seems like Angeles city or Cebu how is the prices compared to Manila and where to stay that is girl freindly. Appreciate help my mongers.
Cebu is pussy capital outside Manila. Try the massage parlors (findland, Ceasar's Palace, pricey, etc.) it is a sure thing. 1000 for fs. Outcall massage is relaxing and safe they go to your room. See classified ads on local paper. 500 for massage, 500 for hj. 1000 for fs. Downtown is pimpland. Try the area near University of San Carlos. They will approach you after dark, you get a room, bring protection. Clubs will get you the high-end chicks, up to 4000 pesos. Have Fun.
Bacolod city is an option. Try the goldenfieds area near the casino. Young Chicks for 800 pesos, from pimps. Anything else in the city is pretty much boring.
Never been to Cebu, but my ex who's from just south of there was mentioning some of the same things. She was complaining how the girls throw themselves at guys to the point they'll knock on your door if you tell them where your staying. Remember, to them, you're a prize. Many women dream of getting out and marrying a foreigner, they love the idea of mixed kids.
In any event, to follow up the prior comment about filipinas, the best way I found to talk them out of tampo is to sweet talk them. Just ignore what they say and try to sweet talk em out of it. I finally got tired of dealing with too much aggravation, but it worked for a while. They are seriously centerd around their family to the point that they either are the advisor, or listen to advice.
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Going to Cebu for the first time next week, and if it's even better than Davao, I will really love the place. As to Uninfun's point about Filipina's temper tantrums, I think most of it stems from jealousy. There's a lot of competition here for foreign men, and girls do not like it when someone else steps into their preserve. I try to just ignore it, and if it gets too aggravating, I drop the girl telling her she sounds too much like a wife. The jealousy thing is infectious though, and I have seen it wherever I've traveled here. Go with a girl twice and she thinks of herself as your girlfriend, even if you're completely honest and try to explain that you will not give exclusive rights to anyone. Lucky for us, it's a buyer's market and for every girl who sulks there are four or five more trying to get your attention. Most of the girls just want to get the hell out of here and find someone who will take care of them.
Filipinas are uniquely exotic with their mix of Spanish and Asian ancestries. The sheen of their black hair, the fullness of their lips, the honey manila tone of their skin: All this can make a man stop and savor life.
Filipinas can also cook quite well and often display a surprising zeal for sexually pleasing their men.
That being said, they're also often very jealous, money-hungry, conniving and mysteriously ill-tempered. Here in NY, they share a reputation with dominicanas for being blinded by the pursuit of green. You can take the girl out of the favela, they say, but you can't take the favela out of the girl.
And yet I find myself still wanting to nail a couple more.
Gents,
Just want to say thanks for the info. I'm catching up on this thread. In S Calif and am just becoming involved with a Phillipina. She's very educated and a professional (not working girl professional).
My first wife was Korean so this is different.
Thanks for the insights guys, keep up the good work.
Migrant
Filipinas, Malaysians, or Indonesians:
This question is for those rare people who know all three. I'm asking this question in the Malaysian and Indo sections too. Women from these three countries, in general, look similar. Which do you prefer? I have been to the PI several times and understand Filipinas reasonably well. I worked with a Malaysian woman who looked like she could've been from the PI. She was equally as beautiful but, more "intelligent". I have no experience with Indonesians.
HarryDHo,
They are all from Melanesian stock but different mixes. Thats the extent of my knowledge of all three.
Bilbo
Inglesia Ni Cristo - chics.
I have been to the Philippines several times (in '98 for a five month extended search for the "perfect" Filipina!) I have since backed off my ambitions, but I noticed something "strange".
Of the 50 or so girls that I met over the years, about 8 out of ten of the really "attractive" ones (my humble scoring) have been members of the Inglesia Ni Cristo Church - not Catholics. I've further noticed that a couple of my guy friends who have taken the plunge with an Inglesia Ni Cristo Chic - have, upon marrying them, been heavily pressured to contribute to the church.
I hate to be a conspiratorial cynic, but I'm thinking that the church (which is really no better than our own tela-evagelist scammers) is actively recruiting young, attractive Filipina and urging them to get things going with us Forty-year Old Farts in order to line the Churches pockets with donations.
Any thoughts on this.
Inglesia Ni Cristo, btw, is that church that looks like a local McDonald's dispensing fast food Christianity all around the P.I.
G
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GoeDaddy,
I had two experiences with women of Iglesia ni Cristo over my 15 years (62 trips) to the Phils. Both were gorgeous. Both were under intense pressure from their "church". How did your pals marry without converting? INC is basically a cult of fanatical proportions. I could go on for hours but why bother.
Women oF INC ARE NOT more beautiful than Catholics. Also I can personally vouch for their NOT following their "church" rule against premarital sex. No problem fucking either lady but a relationship was unthinkable unless I was "crazy" enough to convert to this cult. I will try to post nude photos of my INC ladies.
Dragon Slayer
I'll take an Inglesia ni Cristo Chic any time over an El Shaddai one. But it really turns me off when a fine filipina chic gets into that devout/devoted "religious attitude." Not hating their religious beliefs since I'm Roman catholic myself but there is a time and place when discussing such subjects.
Inglesia Ni Cristo along with Jehova Witness, Mormons are considered cults by other churches.
One of the big things with INC is that they believe that their church turns into a rocket ship when God comes back, hence you will notice the peaks in the church building with the red light tip.
Mook
I believe I will turn into a rocket shop when God comes back. That is why the top of my dick is red.
What is the religion where Mary wears glasses. Veru common in the Pi.
I remember I was a young and impressionable youth. The Children of God ladies used to fuck me to convert me. Happy days. Don't knock religion: it has its upside as my pocket rocket can attest.
I wish I could get to the Pi. Fucking Thai hookers gets boring. Plus, the pizzas are better in the Pi. Oh well!
The THING about Inglesia Ni Cristo is that you shall contribute with at least a 10th of your income.
10th of you income is like every church, it's says in the bible to give a tenth to God, so it's not unique to them. What might make them unique is that since they are a cult that they probably come after you and condemn you to hell for not doing it.
If the INC church does actually have a lot of hotties in their church, I'm sure every monger here will be lined up this sunday for service... haha...
Mook
Yes, I have heard that - if you do not show up at church at least once a week - church members come by your house and ask you "why?" I also heard that you are charged a "tax" for any service that you may have missed, but some ING chics have denied that.
Hey, I got problems with US tele-evangelists bilking old people of their life savings for a chance at salvation, so I am even more offended when these sharks pick at Filipinos who barely can put food on the table, and the thought of getting hooked into this racket. Well, I would just like to put the issue out there and see if anyone's come up against it (or, at least, be aware of it.)
G
Re: Filipinos, Indonesians and Malaysians.
I'm one of the 'rare ones' who know all three well. Ethnically/ genetically they're of the same stock (though not Melanesian as somebody else said - the race comes from around where Southern China/ Cambodia is now).
The difference between Malaysians and Indonesians is basically a few centuries of Western colonisation. Indonesia use to be a Dutch colony, Malaysia was British. Otherwise the people are basically the same, and even the languages (Bahasa Malaysia and Bahasa Indonesia) are 99% the same.
Filipinos are very closely related ethnically, particularly in the southern parts of the country. However in the Philippines (particularly towards the north) there was more inter-mixing with the Spanish who colonised the country in the past, and also with Chinese from southern China. That's why many northern Filipinos (e.g. from Luzon) are a lot fairer than southern Filipinos, or Malaysians/ Indonesians.
The differences you see have a lot more to do with culture and economic development. The Malaysian woman probably seemed more 'intelligent' because she was better educated, and had better food and healthcare growing up. Malaysia's the most advanced of the three countries economically.
Hope that helps clarify; pm me if you want any more info.
Hmmm, maybe I ran into more INC chics because I was traveling in the far out provinces, from Pagudpud, thru Isabel, Quezon, Occidental/Oriental Negros, Leyte, Bohol, thru Marawi (no INC or even Christian chics there... but some just as sweet Muslim Filipina with protective fathers and brothers unless you wanna do a Cat Stevens...) I guess if you're major experience is along the "trade" routes... Manila, Angeles and the tourist resorts, you find a far more secular crowd (or far more sophisticate traveler who won't put up wit' and b/s.)
G
Well I just visited the Philippines in May 12-22. It was my first trip and no I am not some old fat white guy with a lot of bread (money). I am a handsome in-shape (run 4 miles daily) 22 year old Afro-American Working class college student, with a taste for exotic women.
While in my hotel room watching T.V. the first thing, I noticed was the Filipino obsession with white skin this was amazing to me. They will do almost anything to keep their skin from getting dark I know you guys have seen it. The natives carrying umbrellas with no rain insight to block the sun. One thing I knew for sure I would meet racism because of my dark complexion. Even though I got a lot of stares especially in the Glorietta mall I was amazed by how friendly the people were to me man and women, many women did all type of things to get my attention (locals not bar girls). I did meet someone who became like a tour guide and she was everything you guys from this site illustrated about Filipino women. Beautiful, caring, fun and very jealous. After I agreed to let her “hang out with me” any other women who looked at me she gave them what she called “sharp eye.”
So for all my fellow young Afro-American male world travelers out there, there are not many of us, because many of our brethren consider a trip to the local American jail an adventure, go to the Philippines and sit back and let one of those little brown sexy ladies make you feel like a man should. Be nice and respectful and she will give you the world and some, she may try to take you home to meet dad and mom like my friend did.
Goodnight Gentlemen
Hey brother contact me I am going to the P.I. in Dec! PM me if you have time!
Hey,
I'm a brotha who went to the PI, and I agree the people there were very friendly. I to like to travel and would not mind going the next time you guys go. Hopefully it will be sometime at the end year. Hey Wil Kil and Three X, inbox me and lets try to work something out.
General info question fellas. From what I have been reading to get action at most of the bar clubs you have to pay a Bar fine 1500-3000 peso depending on where your at then fro drinks? and then the grirls asking price? Is this right? I am a non-drinking love to get in the panties type so I am looking for ways to cut costs especially alcohol ones since I don't drink. What is the best way to get in that ass with minimal cost sorry for the begginners question but looking for pro answers.
Thanks again
I hope to have something to contribute in the future.
TP
t Poet,
If your talking about Manila, try LA Cafe. You ca drink soft drinks all night, no hassle. You will only meet freelancers there and its up to you to buy them a drink, but its normal bar prices. A lot of the girls dont drink alchohol anyways. the going rate there is 1000 pesos, altho some will go for less.
Have fun
Flying Scotsman
I have read some of the posts here with some interest as I have gotten somewhat involved with a Phil woman. I never intended for it to happenbut just kind of did. Prior to my trip here last month I began chattin with some girls i met through 2match. I became friends with some different ones and in one case it as a very casual friendship but she really opened up her life to me shortly before I came. Married, 4 kids, her husband basically abandons her and does not work - you know a sad story but she was not trying to manipulate me with her emotions or story. She was not at all looking for a relatoinship as she had only just recently been separated - but did appreciate developing a friendship. This we did and upon meeting her I was so impressed with how classy she was and how easily we got along. I am about 40 and she is 34 and beautiful with a real sweet spirit.
Sparks did fly and we did get romantically involved and she was willing to have sex but I felt we should hold off - though we did other stuff like 69 and so forth.
She really claims a strong attachment now. I am the only other person she has been with other than her husband whom she married at 17. I sense a little bit of an overprotectiveness and maybe even jealousy. She is always asking me if I have other gf's or if when I travel I meet beatiful girls. She has it set up that whenever I go online it will notify her cell phone (SMS) so she can locate me. She is always asking if I chat to other girls and has even asked around 2match if they have chatted with me. Its kind of funny to me since she is still married.
But she sends such lovely messages to me every day and is filled with so much love, faith and hope. She is very transparent and has not asked for money. I am bringing her out to Thailand to meet me for a few days when I travel through in a couple of months. She thinks alot of the future and talks of maybe my being her 'soul mate' and stuff like that. I am really not sure where this has headed. I have told her we need to take it slow and not rush things but she acts 'head over heels'.
Anyway - its probably a common story. my cocern is my natural suspicious mind toward asian girls. I guess I have been to Thailand too many times and heard the I love you routine and you are so special routine too much. So any feedback is appreciated. If some of you in your experience can offer your suggestions as to whether its worth the gamble to keep pursuing it or if it is only going to become a nightmare later - please let me know.
Thanks
Hank
Hank, if my experience is any indication RUN don't walk to the nearest exit.
I met a similar filipina about four years ago. This is in the USA but after dating her I knew alot of them. If you are an independent come and go as you like kinda guy and you probably wouldn't be here if you were not, be very carefull with dating or LTR a filipina. They are very possesive and can be quite irrational. The girl I was with 4 kids and all (kinda wonder if it is the same girl maybe she went back to the islands) would go ballistic if I didn't call during work. If I came home late, if I looked at other women. And heaven help you if you actually flirted. One time she tried to scratch my eyeballs. That was it I left and never looked back.
I would say this was issolated, but I had a couple of cop buddies who married filipinas and they had similar stories as did friends of friends. So unless your the stay at home, work 9-5, never look, talk, or think about a different girl kinda guy be very carefull.
All these stories are too common. Whatever the age of your girl, subtract 10 years and that's the age she'll act. They're exceptionally passionate, exceptionally sex, fuck like animals, and act like schoolgirls. I just ended a 2.5-year relationship with a beautiful and sexy woman who just didn't know how to act. jealous rage, crying, just general juvenile behavior. Enough. I'm old enough to want to be with grown-ups.
Don't know what I can add to Intransit's excellent analysis except that I think you need to subtract somewhat more than 10 years. Fifteen may be more appropriate. And once they have sex with you forget it. In their eyes, you belong to them. If you thin that by "only" 69'ing her you avoided real sex, I would say you're wrong. Get out now. Do not look back, and do not feel any guilt. The longer you let this go, the more possessive she will be and the more enmeshed you'll become.
T Poet:
The LA Cafe advice is really sound. No bar drinks, no bar fine and no bullshit. I was there last week and hooked up with two really nice looking ladies, and we partied for a long time. They didn't drink anything but fruit juice and I had one beer. They never asked for anything except cab fare when it was over. All of the clubs will hit you hard to ladies drinks, fines and high fees for the girls.
Hank, a lot of the guys here use 2matchu. Would you mind sharing your girlfriend's 2matchu nickname so we don't blunder into the same situation.
Hank,
What you have found is a Pinya that is looking for a better life. Hell arent we all! Before you think I am dogging her I am not. I married a pinya in a similar boat. A few problems 1 there is no divorce in the PI for the common person (ok they can get it anulled but not with 4 kids. So if you bring her to the US DONT try to get a girlfriend visa from the PI go to thialand or something as they do do record checks from the embasey. As far as her love dont underestimate it women from the PI fall in love easy but are usually (USUALLY) faithful to thier men if you treat them well. But that being said it will be hard for you to bring her kids to the US with her and she must be willing to leave them which she might not be willing to do.
Also that being said I had a pinya tell me strieght up that she would marry me just for citizenship so some times they are honest and forward. I turned her down.
WilKil:
I fall more into the "fat old white guy" category I guess, but your observations are correct. I've met alot of African American and African men here, and there's no problem whatsoever. The Filipina obsession with white skin stems from the Spanish colonialization period. Spanish were white, they had the power and position, and the equation that fair skin=prestige and money sprung into being. It's why Filipinas spend a fortune on skin ligthening creams. It's absurd, but it's a point of view that's pretty ingrained here. On the other hand, Filipinas don't seem to give a damn what color their men are so long as the latter treat them like people, and with some degree of kindness. Also, black American film stars and musicians are enormously popular here, and the Filipinos see no irony in their obsession with fair skin on the one hand, and African American culture on the other. Go figure.
I agreed with most of the posting on the relationships.
Hank, you have to realize that you are dealing with a woman with 4 kids, and if she is immature like some, or most Filipinas. then you will have 5 kids to deal with. Wouldn't it be better if you found one with no kids, or 1, instead of 4. That would be a problem to me. If you are feeling sorry for her, I suggest you "Run like Hell!". I don't feel sorry. I don't need this in my life. I, usually spend a month everytime, I am in the P.I. You really need to spend more time there, or step back. Also, I would make sure that the woman, work, or have worked in her life. You don't want a spoiled woman. We have enough of them in the States, and you want to import her, and create the same situation, then you would be asking for it!
Although, I am in a relationship with a Filipina, and the same event happen as all the posters mentioned. I have a little more faith, b/c of her level of education, but that doesn't mean she is there emotional, which could be real dangerous to me. She is a well- to-do woman in the Philippines, and doesn't need anything, or need to go abroad. I, just don't like the constant pounding of "Who are you with?" Which is nobody. Everyone that is in the States, and over 40, know that we are usually with no one!
My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone. Even Filipinos that I know in the States get tired of those people in the P.I. Of course, they feel it is their duties to provide, or have the relatives talk gossips about them, which they fear the most.
The bottom line is that I am not here to babysit, and don't plan to be. If I am going to do this, I am going to have my own baby, not someone else. I don't mind, if the kids are grown up. I can deal with that.
Intransit:
There are many women like this:
who just didn't know how to act. jealous rage, crying, just general juvenile behavior. Enough. I'm old enough to want to be with grown-ups.
yes, I agreed, and find this quite comical. Sometime, I get a good laugh at this, b/c it is soooooo funny. Many guys don't even understand that some of the woman, made be really uneducated, and they will have to train them like children.
Yes, I am old enough, and I don't need to be moniter on my every move. I told her, she can tag along, if she likes. I am always looking for business there in SE Asia, and this can be quite boring for the less interest individual.
Deep Diver,
I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast.
I do notice that they start liking me fast, and I just ignore them. When they pout, I really ignore them. Just b/c they cry, I am going to feel sorry for them, b/c they didn't get there way. Remember, they are like children.
Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizen to abroad is all it takes.
Spidey,
I couldnt agree with you more. ATM I am married to a pinya and have 3 on the side. ( they allknow about my wife but not nessecarily about eachother in most cases ) I have no problem telling them NO and your right they are children or at lest act like it as they are 44,39,33,23 what can I say I am a dog! oh well.
Deep Diver,
You know what , there are Americans (Is there a age limit for immaturity? ), who are 40-50-60, that still act immature. It's just that the Filipinas have to hustle, so they have to grow up faster. There is a lost of childhood here. They are forced to become adults immediate.
Of course, we all act immature at times, especially in Asia. What can I say, this is Adult Disneyland here! It's Like having Candy everyday, and still can't get enough of it, and more!
Diver, You're just a good parent, who can say "NO!" lol
Btw, if you say no to them, do they pout?
deep Diver and Spidey:
You are not only correct, but I think you've identified the cardinal rule of the Philippines. The corolloary to this, that allows you to survive is: "Sorry baby, but these are the rules." I have found that it's better to be totally honest at the front end regarding what you will accept and what you find unacceptable. At the first sign of deviation just walk away, telling her, "sorry but I told you up front." Otherwise, you will wind up in a morass of emotional complications that gets ever more difficult to escape. I know this sounds harsh, and perhaps unfair, but so be it. You, as a foreigner, ain't gonna change the culture, the behaviors, or, for the most part, the expectations, and this is about self preservation.The bottom line? Be considerate, be honest, be fair, and above all be firm.
Hi Guys.
I’m planning a trip to the Philippines in August and would appreciate opinions from some of you experts on filipinas what you think of the following:
I went to the Philippines for the first time last December to spend some time with a cute girl I’d got to meet on the Internet I spent a pleasant couple of weeks travelling around PI with her and her two friends. All three of them shared a room with me but (unfortunately!) it turned out to be quite platonic so no sex with any of them. However, thanks to the excellent advice on this board I managed to find plenty of action to satisfy the manly needs between spending time with them. I spent a few days in Manila (Makati) and found a couple of girls around P Burgos St who fitted the bill perfectly. Avoided the expensive bars in the area but managed to hook up with girls passing by whilst I was sitting at a pavement bar on P Burgos St. So, no bar fines! Took them back to my hotel (City Garden) and had no trouble bringing them up to the room. I also spent a few days in Ermita, at the other City Garden hotel there, which was much more convenient for the LA Cafe (and equally girl friendly.The reception even phoned up as they were leaving and checked that everything was ok). The LA Cafe lived up to all the good things posted elsewhere on this board and I had no trouble finding some really nice girls. One night, I took two of them together back to the hotel with me and much fun was had by all!
Anyway, back to my story. The girl I had gone to meet turned out to be real sulky and eventually she and her two friends left on their own to go back to Manila just after we’d got to Boracay! However, one of her friends was really gorgeous and she contacted me a few times via SMS while I was still in PI and afterwards. We’ve been keeping in touch ever since via email and Yahoo Messenger. This girl was a student, just finishing her studies, and in March she asked me for money to pay for her exam fees. Rightly or wrongly I sent her some cash. A few days later she sent me an email to say her brother had had an accident and she’d been forced to use the cash I’d sent her for his hospital bills. He also needed an operation, so, could I send some more cash? I told her no and we didn’t communicate for a while after that. We’ve been communicating again for the last month or so and I told her I was planning a trip to the East in August. Of course, she’d love to see me and has agreed to travel around with me in Philippines and abroad on what she quaintly describes as a sort of “honeymoon”.
I’ve now had an email from her asking for cash as she’s desperately short of funds. My instinct is to drop her immediately and not contact her again. But then I will be missing out on a fantastic holiday. I’ve read a few reports on this board that filipinas are not shy to ask for cash. So, my question is, if I send her a small amount of cash will this be regarded as a normal way for friends to help each other out? Or should I heed the warnings that she’s really just a (very attractive and gorgeous) gold digger and have nothing more to do with her?
Any advice from those of you who have experience with these lovely ladies will be much appreciated!
Iron Duke
GoodEnough,
I think your advice is superb. One's message must be clear at all times.
Iron Duke,
So, what else is new? Go to the Makati section and read what we are talking about.
I understand that your friend's friend is good looking, and so is many other girls in the Philippines. Depending on your taste. There are so many girls, if you are a foreigner, professional, or have a business, then you are in demand. It doesn't matter how you look, as long as you are able to support. That is what it is all about in Asia. Philippines is a little more extreme than the neighboring countries. They are consider one of the poor countries in SE Asia.
Iron Duke, you have to find someone else now, it's too late for there to be anything with her. Since you sent her money already, you already have the work "sucker" written on your forehead and she will forever see you that way. What I would do is keep putting off sending her money until your trip, think of excuses, etc, get your monies worth when you get there from her and disappear after that. You can find plenty more where she came from. One good scam deserves another.
Mook
Iron Duke,
I can't believe you paid for three women to go to Boracay and get no action! Definitely, you're playing too much of a nice guy for women you just want to bang. My suggestion is that you determine first if the women are "virtuous" or not. The instant that your girl suggested to bring two other girl companions with her on a trip with you, should have raised a red flag that you are NOT getting any action especially if she is not a bar girl. It's like bringing your own witness to your own crime and nobody's going to do that. What you don't know in Filipino culture is that a "virtuous" girl (claiming to be one qualifies too) would bring companions as witnesses that she'd been "virtuous" all the time while you were with her. Somehow your story have gaps since you never mentioned whether your girl stayed with you (at least in your room) or not. Another is you never mentioned seeing the two other girls actually leave for Manila; sounds like a rouse to get a free ride. I'm sure those two other girls are somewhere else on the same beach! Boracay is the most popular beach in the Philippines and who would want to go back to Manila when you are standing on it.
You need to "graduate" how you appreciate women. You don't give an beach vacation to a girl you just meet or give a trip around the world to a girl you have the slightest idea about. Are you like this even when you are not mongering? Read all the post here and learn from it.
The need for money in the Philippines is unquenchable. Borrowing or asking money is already an artform there. Imagine being poor and not having enough all the time; you could only think of how you can break out of a pitiful situation. Asking money from strangers is not a tradition but poverty forces people to do so. Don't buy every bit of her story and don't mind the teasers. Everyone there knows a SOB story and a tease work wonders in loosening somebody else's pockets.
For this reason that you should just drop her and make an excuse and contact her only when you are close to seeing her, for example, when you are already at the airport to start your mongering adventure and, when you do see her, do you own lip service to get in her pants!
But one more thing, when you do go for a "honeymoon" (you see, this is an angle she is working on you and she knows you are just thrilled about this: ka-ching ka-ching) don't let her bring companions with her. Iron Duke, at least, try to live up to your name.
MasterBlaster
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Hi everyone,
I'm so angry "Spidey Theory" about Filipinas. Even their country poor many bargirls, so what? Spidey character was a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] guy because he found that money is the most important. Yes I agree money was important but not the most! Actually this guy always say he pay 9k for her girlfriend no problem something like that but 50k too much. But I beleved even 9k or 5k he didn't help her girlfriend. In his mind all girls just a hooker. May be her daughter or her mother was do that job so his mind like that!
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Good Enough,
No offense Good E I have nothing against white guys but you guys are like poster boys for mongers just as young Afro Americans are for rappers, basketball players, etc etc. Most Asians (who live in Asia) I noticed assumed because you are black you are born with the talent to rap and play sports what a weird world. Hmmm about that jealousy stuff man its crazy how possessive they are. All I can tell you guys out there be careful when you get involved with one of those ladies the sex is great but the headache and watching over your back is not.
Iron Duke,
I agree with Mookman.
You now have been label a "sucker". She is always going to be in need, there will always be some crisis or another.
I get those types all the time. You need to learn not to give anyone money over the Internet and if you do consider it lost and don't worry about.
As for this girl, if you really want to bang her that badly. Just let her know you are coming, just before you go send her a message saying you are due in town and that you are looking to see her.
She will be glad to see you, remember you are label "sucker". Just take her to a short time room or your hotel. Although I wouldn't do that unless it was toward the end of my stay there.
However, this only based on the fact that you truly want to be bothered with her. There are so many girls you can meet wandering around the malls and in the shops. Do you really want to be bothered.
I still say this. NEVEN EVER SEND MONEY TO ANYONE.
Iron Duke asked:
So, my question is, if I send her a small amount of cash will this be regarded as a normal way for friends to help each other out? Or should I heed the warnings that she’s really just a (very attractive and gorgeous) gold digger and have nothing more to do with her?
Duke, she's scamming you and probable others.
Doofer
Oh this "jealousy" thing. I gotta add, that after spending the better part of my life dating "american" chics and never can remember any being "jealous" (or even concerned) that I might stray (heck, let's be honest - most felt that "I" should be grateful that they lowered their expectations to stay wit' me, even they weren't "all that" that they thought themselves to be) It was a HOOT when I started to date Filipina and found them jealous.
Sure, on some level it's annoying, but on another, it's nice to know that they even care enuff to be jealous.
One thing though, it's really, really cut throat. I was with one "hot chic" Filipina, and while I was with her, in the bars, in the mall, in the restaurants, no other Filipina gave me the eye. They started down, defeated, humble, submitting to the evolutionary luck of the draw.
But, when I was with an "average" girl, the shop girls were virtually pushing her aside to impress me that I could do "better" - it was really - sociologically - fascinating, and a bit sad, as the girl I was with was real sweet, never said a word, but was hurt that she felt she wasn't good enuff. Sigh.
G
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Danny,
First of all read what Masterblaster said:
The need for money in the Philippines is unquenchable. Borrowing or asking money is already an artform there. Imagine being poor and not having enough all the time; you could only think of how you can break out of a pitiful situation. Asking money from strangers is not a tradition but poverty forces people to do so. Don't buy every bit of her story and don't mind the teasers. Everyone there knows a SOB story and a tease work wonders in loosening somebody else's pockets.
Second, I didn't give her any money, and next she was not my girlfriend. She was someone I met only twice in my life, and to tell you this. I am not giving someone 9K pesos, which at the time, was almost 200 USD. Would you, or anyone here? You also, mention that you would help your wife, or wife to be. That is a different story, and ballgame, dude!
Btw, your so full of it. You don't even know what you are reading. Read it again, Bozo! I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing. Also, I teach, and help others in financing, and motivation, this alone make up for Charity. You don't need to use money, use education. so you don't know what the hell you are talking about! If you want to attack, Bring it on! I don't need to deal with your childless attitude.
Excuse me, "Childish attitude" lol.
Sorry got carried away.
Btw, Danny
My girlfriend is a Filipina, who is a school teacher. Got it!
Filipinos, whether man or women, are the biggest spongers and moochers on the face of the earth. And sly about it too....
Don't give me this "they are so poor they have to be like that" crap. So are most Chinese and they don't degrade themselves like this (I quess its the superior culture and upbringing). Does that explain why filipinos and mestizas with some Chinese blood are always quick to point this out?. The men especially I find are lazy and rely on the wife to go overseas as a nurse or domestic and send him money every month to buy San Miguel and pansit di ba.
I lived in Mexico for years where it is poor and catholic also and never found the same behavoir. The filipinos are without pride (unlike Mexicans) and get tiresome and predictable very quickly.
My advice to all brothers looking at a serious relationship/marriage with a filipina is don't bother. They will break your heart and slowly bleed you dry. You will always play second fiddle to her family-her committment to HER family will always be paramount and more important then you and your family. Someone told me once that the best Asian women to date/marry are the Japanese because the women there already have lots of their own money and are rich so they don't need to "gold dig" like filipinos. Sound advice from an old Asia pro.
Remember to practice the 4 R'S for Filipinas;
Find her
Feed her
Fuck her
Fling her
Cheers
Trisomie
Spidey,
You don't need me as an ally. I'm sure you can defend yourself using your own arguments.
Below are the statements you made recently.
"I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast."
"Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizen to abroad is all it takes."
"My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone."
"I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing."
I could NOT figure what direction you are headed. Please show sensitivity when you dispense advice especially if the topic is NOT about a *****.
MasterBlaster
Trisomie,
I feel sorry that your sorry ass kept on attracting the worse of the bunch that you could only generalize that everybody in the country is like that. You must be a real genius to figure that out. Don't worry. The world revolves around you and your omnipotent ass will always be on a pedestal with all praises coming from yourself. When you're long dead and rotten and the Filipinos are still thriving maybe they will make a monument in your honor. Cheers!
MasterBlaster
Trisomie,
Filipinos males are lazy and don't want to work. Well, to tell you the truth. Nobody wants to work in general, even in the states. If it wasn't for being in debt (like mortgage pymt), not too many people won't go, or want to work. Of course, you have to feed your face, and there are things that one wants will keep us on the ball. People have to live.
Some of the Filipinos take it to an extreme, but don't forget that there are less jobs opportunties in the Philippines for the males there, and for the females, they have to compete for the job. There is also, a age limit there, if you are not a professional, or highly educated.
These are my views, and opinions, and to make people on this board aware of what is happening here.
"I find that Filipinas are in a fantasy world. They live like they are in a fairy tale. They can falling in love, and fall out of love very fast."
>>Fairy tale in getting Marry, and living happily ever after. There are players in the Philippines too.
"Another thing, they are good at is making babies. Hey, I am not generalizing. When half of their population is under 25 year olds, that tell you something. The P.I. is 80-100 Million people there. If you can't find a wife, or girlfriend there, something is wrong. ugly, or not, poor, or not, just have citizenship to abroad is all it takes."
>>C'mon, it is just economics. Some of them don't really like us. They think we are rich (to them we are, and in their country, we are). They need to change their life, and be given a chance in life. They will do what they have to do. Believe me, Women are smarting than men. Always, one guy told me this in AC, I know they don't like us, But who cares! This guy is having the time of his life there. He can do anything he wants, and he is married.
"My views (and with other friends) is that most Filipinos, are like children, who is always asking for money, like give me, give me. They are always dependent on someone."
>>Maybe b/c they have been colonized by so many countries, Spainish, American, Japanese, American, that they become dependent on others.
"I know there are good people in all the third world countries. I respect them if they are making an impact in their lives, or progressing."
>>Look at some of the older bg, they are broked, and still working the trade. They are suppose to make more than the average Filipinos. I am sure when they were younger, they made okay money. What happened to it? There are many that are on drugs, gambling, or giving to their husband, or bf, and going to the family, (which is a right thing to do).
If they took the money, and improved their lives. That would ease the pressure on them at a older age.
Go to Makati, and you will see many successful Filipinos there. Some are many just as much as some of the people abroad. Like I said, some figured it out, While others haven't.
Again, this is my opinions, and views, and this is for the people, who wants to understand the people a little better. You don't have to accept this, just view it, and tell me what you think. Hey, if I can criticize others, why can't they criticize me, lol.
Sorry for being so blunt ( my nature), and sorry if I offend some. For being sensitivity, it is tough in a third world country. If you are too sensitive, they will eat you alive!
Take it easy, and enjoy your visit, whereven that may be.
Spidey, Mookman, Master Blaster, Robert and Doofer
Thanks guys for the constructive comments. Much appreciated.
Forewarned is forearmed!
Iron Duke
hmm, i guess some people never saw an illegal alien running across hwy. 10 by san diego. not to mention have seen that sign with that woman dragging her family or the billion of dollars spent on the u.s. border patrol. how about those people back home in the states that are life long welfare recipients and section 8 abusers. not lazy, huh while mc donald's is hiring at $6.75 - 7.50 per hour depending on the state.
what i'm trying to get at is that jobs are few and far between in the philippines. there are so few jobs that they come in droves when word is out that a position is open in a company. it takes someone with a college course to apply at mc donalds or kfc in this country. and even if they got the job, it isn't a guarantee that it is a permanent one either. not to mention that the minimum wage is p280/day. oh, excuse me. it will be p300/day in july.
add age discrimination and you cut most unemployed filipinoes chance in half. many pinoys and pinays know that once they are over 30, they are considered too old for the work force. with so many colleges and universities turning out graduates every year, the demand for work gets higher. ever notice that every department store, fastfood or retail has a young lady behind the counter.
lastly, the reason why a man is left behind is because the woman has an easier time getting a visa to work overseas. most of the male ofws are either seamen or construction workers. while most female ofws are either domestic helpers, factory workers or nurses. which the demand is high in the middle east and china. these women put themselves at great risk working overseas. if you read the local papers. it is quite common to learn that some pinays die at the hands of their employer or employer's wife. the lucky ones are raped and beaten. all that risk to earn that mighty dollar or euro.
they are not lazy. they are extremist. many go to great extremes to survive daily. so deep are many in debt that it takes the whole family to pay out the loans. not to mention the famous 5/6 loans given by the indians or ofws with money to spare. 5/6 is borrow p5,000 and pay back p6,000 in about 30 - 60 days. some chose to pay this either daily or weekly.
so, if you think filipinoes love to party everyday. they do. but only if they can afford it for that day. maybe two. that's why they know how to have a good time with you when your paying. heck, i'll show you a good time in vegas or atlantic city if you pay my way. you know what i mean?
sorry for the long post, guys. especially when theirs no girl or sex involved or mentioned.
Spidey,
Judging from the way you write, I believe you are NOT born or raised in the United States and you haven't even mastered or understood the culture and language of your new adopted country. However, you view this as an opportunity to step on others which is actually a manifestation of your own inadequacies. How could you have a good understanding of the way of life of a third country when you are already having a difficulty in one? I am from the Philippines and I resent everything you said about how we live our lives as a race. I live in the US and way of life here is different, however, when things aren't so tuned to my beliefs I still open my eyes and see how the locals derive contentment from it. When you know how to respect other people, maybe you will have gained respect for yourself. For now, you belong to the hookers and a clueless school teacher that has no idea what kind of person you are.
MasterBlaster
Spidey,
I have reviewed all of your posts and I could only come to one conclusion: you shoot your mouth faster than your brain could think. You made several attempts to strike a conversation with intelligent mongers in this board and mostly all have ignored your attempts. The funny part is that some of these people, oblivious to you, are Filipinos. You exude a racist persona and people know it. At this point, I am truly certain that you are racist. After reaching America from an Asian country (I could tell you are Asian), you seem to have boosted your "superiority complex", or likely, dysfunction, by learning a little of America's language and culture but mostly by money, and, begin to think that you know it all. If you cannot understand this now maybe you should find some time to avail yourself of proper education. Your brand of ridicule is out of place in this board. I believe Jackson will agree with me on this.
MasterBlaster
Jackson, Sorry, allow me to fight for my dignity. Spidey will have the chance to retort intelligently if he is even capable of it.
Hey Guys
I have a simple question. I met this filipina chick online, and Ive been talking to her for about a month. She is all happy with me, I even call her, and she calls me. Im starting to have second thoughts about her since she brought up the idea of a fiancé visa.
What does the fiancé visa entail? If she applies for it, and we somehow break up can I send her back to manila? Or will I be a fool and she has a free ride to the states?
Let me know guys
Un
MasterBlaster,
100% support you talk about " Mr Spiney" all stupid messege!
Yes, since he's being an ignorant racists, let's do the same, he must be Asian, no make that Oriental like my rug. He must be Chinese, Korean, no Japanese, those guys think they are superior. You end up being the same dumb arse smucks, making ignorant comments like him... leave the troll alone and don't become a troll yourself.
Mook
Dam what is your problem! I looked at his post and his bias dumb ass! I don't care where he is from shit! Some people take the net to seriously, go outside and get a fucking life.
P.S. In the states we spell Arse a s s !
Three X out!
3X, Blaster, Danny, Mook
1. In UK we spell it ARSE - what does it matter anyway?
2. I'd rather see some well written reports on the great hobby of shagging, in preference to this tirade of argumentative bullshit. Can’t you children quit fighting?
3. No other comments!
ER
Undray:
The ceaseless pursuit of a Fiancee Visa is the avocation of half the Filipinas in the country under the age of 40. Be very careful about this, as the process is time consuming and expensive. First, unless you can get an exemption from USCIS, you need to be in the Philippines during some of the process. Second, you will need to prove the durability and seriousness of your relationship. Third, you will have to demonstrate the financial capacity to take care of the girl and fourth, she will have to go to the US Embassy in the Manila for a lengthy interview and a lot of physical examinations.
The odds on clearing all of the hurdles are not great and it sounds like you have never even met the woman! She may be a terrific human being. On the other hand, she may be having the same conversation with a handful of Western men, hoping that just one of them takes her seriously.
The best advice I could give you is to walk away now and not even to consider pursuing this further.
Three X, what the heck are you doing, you're pointing at him saying "his post and his bias dumb ass!" and you come out and say because he's like that, "He sounds like a Chinese or Korean to me!"
You're statements are troll statements just like him.
And yes I know ass is spelled A S S, I thought there was a profanity censor on this board.
Mook
Mookman,
I'm Asian and he's asian. I never said he is Korean, Chinese or anything but Asian. I precisely said he may be Asian. There is a thin line there but I never crossed it.
Three X,
Arse as in Arsehole? Which time period do you belong? Get a life yourself. I was not talking to you anyways! You are a racist pretending not to be one.
Dannyvip,
Thanks. Some people think they can get a way with everything even ignorance.
MasterBlaster
Undray,
If you are having second thoughts, it looks like the girl isn't for you or you might need more time to know her. You are already talking about how she could possibly betray you and how to get even with her when things fall apart. When you are at the stage that you are comfortable, maybe that's the time to talk about getting a fiance visa.
MasterBlaster
Wicked SH, GoodEnough, Deep Diver, Instransit and Spidey:
Thanks for your responses to my message of 6/22. Sorry I am just now getting back to you all. I appreciate all of you taking the time.
I would like to say that some of the comments were very helpful and I have shared some similar observations that some have made such as her tendency toward jealousy, possessiveness etc. I broached the matter with her and she was genuinely apologetic and really wanted me to help her with this. She said she would really try to do better in the future and felt this way cause it had been so long since she had felt any feelings of love from someone or toward someone (she has been in a bad marriage for 15 years). Her response sounded reasonable. The idea that she may be ten years less mature is an interesting concept. She is now 34 - so some of you have suggested she might then be only emotionally at a 24 year old level or less. Yet this is a woman that has been married 15 years, been raising 4 children, colleged educated and working full time in marketing while married to a dead beat lazy guy who abused her and abondoned her. My guess is that her emotional stablility and maturity to handle all this must be pretty good. Please, I genuinely welcome your rebuttal on this. Some of you pointed out some practical issues such as marriage, fiance visa and stuff. At this point she has not talked that language though I think she would be willing to leave her children behind if she could get a job in the states (I think she is thinking more less of an arrangement like a long term girlfriend kind of thing). That is not bad. However lets say I did want to go the next step - it was suggested that annulment is not possible with her having 4 children. Her sister told me it could happen for about $ 5000 (I think this is done under the table if you know the right people). What is your experience or observations with this.
Anyway - she is a good girl who is not making any demands of me. We met online but there was never any kind of seducing or stuff like that. The attraction only started after we met in person.
Thanks for your feedback here. Still contemplating my options of holding on to her for a while and seeing how it goes. We have a planned trip together in Thailand in Aug for a few days of fun. She is really looking forward to getting away.
Thanks again
Hank
GoodEnough,
What part of the fiancee visa process does a guy need to be in the RP for? I know the man has to go there and prove they met initially, but other than that, what else? I was under the impression you then come back to the states, petition her, get the approval and then they send it to manila where they contact the girl and tell her what to do. I am not aware of any reason why the man would have to return, unless he wants to attend the interview in Manila. What am I missing?
Thanks
Mikster
EverReady,
Read the heading "Filipinas - Opinions and Advice". Use your head instead of your Johnson.
MasterBlaster
UNDRAY
"What does the fiancé visa entail? If she applies for it, and we somehow break up can I send her back to manila? Or will I be a fool and she has a free ride to the states?"
My man, you seem nervous about about this filipina. I can understand why, all the horror stories you will hear. The only piece of advice I can offer is this. " take you time"
I mean this in all it's forms. Get to know the filipina, get to know her family, her friends. Try to see her in all types of situations. (personally I try to get them mad/angry to see how they react, but that's just me)
If this woman is serious she will wait, believe me if she thinks you interested she will wait. Don't let her rush you or push to do anything without you thinking about it. Be polite and interested in her.
Also for Yoda's sake ask questions. Too many guys just get stuck with the figure, the sex, the affections they bestow.
Stop, and take a deep breath and ask questions. See how she is responds to them, wait awhile and ask the same questions again. If she is evasive, you may have a problem, If she responds to the same questions with a totally different answer, again you may have a problem.
Now as far as visa are concerned. You could do it yourself. I have some friends who have done so and got through with it. You can order most of the forms via the Internet or via the phone. I personally would use a lawyer.. However, that's because I am lazy.
You can go to any INS web site and read about the requirements. It's not as expensive as all that. but it can add up.
The important thing to remember is or be wary of is the affidavit of support. This is where you promise UNCLE SAM that you will take care and provide for all your bride's needs and wants. That she will not request assistant from any government agency.(They're are exceptions to this rule but by and large that's what it means.)
The last time checked into the affidavit I was told their were 2 version, a 10 year one and 3/5 year?( I think).
Now heres the really fun part. If your bride from the filipines up's and leaves you for any reason after you are married. Your fault, her fault, the dogs fault, no one's fault.
If she she goes some where and request government assistance
YOU CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ASSITANCE.
The state or Federal government can recoup the monies given her for assistance from you. They can and may come after you for the money.
This why I say don't be rush into anything. Take your time. There are a lot of filipinas who do what ever it takes to get the hell out of the filipines.(can't say that I blame them)
They will say anything and project the type of image that will make you weak in the knees and make you want to run to the alter right away. They will screw you silly and do any thing to get you to remember them.
I have no problem with that. I personally feel if you into a contract(marriage) then you should keep you contract agreement. She be a good and loyal wife and you should be a husband as you stated you would be. Neither should break the contract. The problem is that one or the other will or could decide to break it. That's where the problem comes into this.
Sorry, I don't usually do these long posts. I am going through this process now. So I feel strongly about it.
I wish you luck.
Don't be afraid to try. But don't overlooked things from her that could be a problem because it will only get worse.
Three x-ray, (you need to check up your lung actually), Mookman (you also need to change a woodman--no educated), why both you guys don't like or hate Asian? Are you American or European?
Rubbish!
I wasn't going to respond so the topic can die but I had to after reading "dannynip's" comment. Dannynip, I was chastising them for being racists. I don't know how you got that from what I wrote because I thought I was being clear. But I can see how my sarcasm can be taken that way, if english isn't your first language.
My previous comments were against Three X, not MasterBlaster.
Anyway, for get this crap, just get back to the topic at hand.
Undray,
The process is not all that bad. I did it. I had to prove that we had met, not hard since I was working in Makati, but after that all the paperwork was handled from the US. You'll need to file a form 129-f then sit on your butt, as I did, while she "jumps through all the hoops". It took about a year (prior to 9/11) and cost me a little over $100.
That said, I would be very careful with a girl who was asking for a visa prior to even meeting.
What's the hurry ? Go to the RP, meet her, and a lot of other nice girls and make an informed decision. Hell, suggest the two of you live there and see how she reacts ! :)
FD
Be very care ful when breaking up with filipina girls. They will say and do anything to be hurtful. The colder you are and stronger you are the better. These girls have no problem being evil when they don't get their way. In many ways, they are like very dependent children. Nothing is good enough.
I knew to girls who got divorced. One was from Brazil, who told her husband she wanted 8k to go home and help her family out (she was entitled to alot more). The other was from Phillippines, who was married for less time, got a lot more money and was very unsatisfied and bitched terribly. The girl from Brazil had ten times the character of the girl from the Phillipines in the same situation.
If you get involved and married, get a prenup ready. The girl from the Phillippines when its over will look at you like her huge payday, and say and do anything. Many of them end up divorced after only a couple of years in the USA.
They are definately into family, which is a good and bad quality. The downside is that the tampo (moodieness) can be like a kid throwing a tantrum. The best way to handle it is to be strong and cut her off the first time it happens. It's bad to say, but they respect strength more than kindness. Just part of the culture.
Amen to all the advice about being careful, cautious, and extremely prudent. Get to know the family and take time to get to know the lady outside of the bedroom. My advice is not even to consider the visa until you have known the lady for at least 6 months, at least three of them in person. Do not base your decision on a 3 week romantic idyll in the Philippines. You would not make a life decision regarding someone in your own country in such a short space of time, so why do it in this case? Also give some careful thought to how this lady will fit into your day-to-day life in the West. Will she readily adapt to your culture, your friends, your family and your lifestyle?
GE
GoodEnough, Uninfun, Firedick, Robert Lee & MasterBlaster:
Thanks for the advice. I talked to my flipina chick and she got all pissed off because I wanted to live in Manila for 2 months.
So I dropped her like a bag of spuds!
She got all pissed off, I've never see her get this way.
Again, thanks for the advice.
Un
well make sure you get to know any girl really well you are planning on marrying and please if she gives sex early be worried, or use a condom. i was on my first trip after meeting a chat buddy i had been chatting with for four months i was so shocked this beautiful girl wanted to have sex with me, i even told her lets wait i just wanted to enjoy the sights but she pressed on. the sex was great but after returning home to the good ole us i later found i had pain when i urinated can you say chlamydia i am going to get checked for hiv tuesday. no one to blame but myself i got caught up in the moment. the women are beautiful and enticing but be careful as they may cost you money, time, health or as in my case a new nerve racked life.
Undray
Sorry to hear that.
You said that you told her you wanted to live in manila for 2 months and she got angry or pissed. What exactly did she say? Have you seen her in person before.
You will not believe this but just because you say "YOU" have dropped her doesn't mean that she will consider it over. I can guarantee that she will call you back all apologetic and remorseful, promising any and all things.
Do yourself a favor and don't fall for it. She has showed her true colors remember them. If by some chance or another you do have sex with her WEAR A CONDOMN!
But expect an attempt to get back into your good gracious.
Let Undray's experience be a lesson to all those who fall in love and offer marriage to Filipinas within days. Listen to the experience of others! I agree with GoodEnough on at least 6 months trial. I would go for a year or more. If the girl is really seriously in love with you she will go for that without hesitation.
The track record speaks for itself. Even professional Filipinos try and go to US / Europe on tourist visas and then overstay. It is a national obsession.
Most of the girls can't get a tourist visa for this reason, so the next best thing is to get hold of a foreigner and use sex and love as the passport to paradise.
First priority, get married and get a foreign passport.
If that does not work, second best, they try getting a foreigner to buy a house and lot for her in the Philippines (foreigners cannot own such property in the Philippines - even the lawmakers are in the game!). When she has the hose and lot, she can get rid of the foreigner.
Yes, there are wonderful girls in the Phils., but be very very cautious and take your time. Anyway, why get married and get locked out of the market. You will regret it when you next go out and see a sexy cutie walk by smiling at you.
Remember, it is contrary to man's nature to pentrate only one woman!
Wil Kil,
Oh have you do sex with condom? How about the report? Please details about the case!
Having tasted a little of everything from the world pussy platter, I'm not one eager to cater to stereotypes. But in the case of Filipinas, I feel it's necessary to add my two cents here.
I had me a little brown fuck machine who, after years of humping her way through the cruise line industry, declared political asylum in the U.S. By the time I met her in the Midwest, she'd already gotten her citizenship and a divorce.
I only knew this lady for a few weeks, and within that time she was pressuring me into marriage and homeownership. She had pretty good leverage, too, since she'd suckered me into ditching the condom at a time when she was ovulating. Because I didn't comply with her plans, which very well may have been the plot line of a Filipino soap opera, she and Vaquero Jr. vanished.
I'm sure there are some good Filipina women out there, but there are also plenty of vipers. And there are also plenty of them who follow their culture's tradition of bringing the entire clan to live at your home in the suburbs.
That same energy that fuels a Filipina's passion for fucking can also ignite psycho tendencies. Combine that with third world obsessions of the American dollar, and you can land in deep sh!t if you step too fast. If it's affordable enough, why not just get the pussy and run?
I can't agree enough with what you just said. It is a national obsession to get out of the country and to the US. That sexy little body and spanish influence can be a great combination. The downside is that many of them have psycho tendencies. Many are very money hungry as a result of their culture. Many want the family and the dream, but don't have enough between the ears to make it work. We all want things.
In any event, you take any chick from a different culture and there is a big risk of problems. One guy I knew brought a girl home to live with him and his parents for six months. He went to work and she proceeded to hide in his room under the bedsheets (true). He sent her on her way back home prior to the marriage. Lucky guy.
The point is that you may be better off vacationing from the phillippines rather than taking lil honey ko home. If you have to, then don't marry her and bring her over on a fiance visa for six months. See if she's goes off.
Vaquero and the boys,
I know the feeling Vaquero, I have been through a similar experience. I know this is the filipina board, but it all ties together when it comes to third world chicks in general. During my early hunting days, I went to Cali, Colombia. The women there are hard to beat for pure hotness and good looks in vast numbers. You can hardly date a girl more than once if you have a functioning cock, and you dont need to pay if you have any semblance of a game. I met a psycho named Claudia who had a USA tourist visa. In Cali, she was the epitome of a doting girlfriend, treating me like a king and acting very normal. Once she got here, the game was over. She knew the law upside down and told me if I fucked with her she would call the cops and say I hit her and have me arrested. She was right. Here in Washington State its man bad, woman good. I called the cops and they told me that I had given her residency in my apartment and could not make her leave, even if she was on a tourist visa. Unbelievable. She proceeded to trash my apartment and yell, scream, threaten if I did not help her or marry her. I was to the point where I actually considered doing her in. The problem was that I had fell under her spell momentarily. Despite all her psycho behavior, she was fucking me into oblivion and telling me she loved me and just wanted a commitment. I came to my senses when she went into a trance of rage and just looked at me for hours as if she wanted to kill me. I took her to the mall one day, ran out and stranded her with no money. I raced back to the apartment, packed her shit and took it to a hotel. I had her passport and visa locked away. I told her go to the hotel or I will burn them. I had two of my friends who volunteered to say they witnessed her attack me and she finally gave up and agreed to go to the hotel. I had called her a taxi to take here there.
To make a long story short, it never pays to trust any foreign chick in my opinion. I dont think you can ever know their true intentions. Some would say that goes for American chicks as well, but at least you can date them for a long period and get to know them and make a smart, informed decision. I get a kick out of the "one week wonders," as I call them. Dudes who go to a foreign country for a week and end up married or engaged, all the while emptying their bank account immediately to meet the demands of their new found lover. Complete fools. I never thought much of the guys I have met in foreign lands whose sole intention was to find a wife in one week, no banging or fucking around at all. Just go to marriage agencies and interview chicks all day to find a suitable wife, propose on the spot without even banging them first. I will never understand that mindset. Part of the sheep society. I will always be a wolf and let other guys do the fucking up in life.
I never went back to Colombia after that. Cali smells with murder, kidnappings, crime galor. The most menacing city I have ever been in. Gringos go there anyway and fuck the hot calenas, but for my money, I prefer someplace I can walk around at night and not wonder if my head will be attached the next morning.
Beware marrying third world country women. I have seen more horror from these things than I care to remember. Just a pleasant warning. The usual disclaimer applies. Of course there are good girls to be found, but what are the odds you will get her? Be careful boys.
Mikster
Mikster and others,
Although you can't be sure what you are going to get since no one could really read somebody else's mind, you can increase the odds of finding a suitable woman by looking in the right places. That would depend totally on the guy's skills. Mind you, it is actually a tough job to do especially if you are foreigner since you view things from your "alien" perspective. If you interact with the locals and have a good understanding of where and how to find good women then your chances are better. So, I say you get what you work for. In the Philippines, women who have sex with a person she hardly knows is a terrible bad sign; women normally get married first before having sex or, at the very least, have known the person for weeks or months before sex. Picking women from the girlie bars is taking too much of a risk in any country and it doesn't matter if it's a Third World country or not. You really don't have to think a lot to really understand what "good girls" are since that is universal. As mongers, we let our Johnson do the talking and we overlook what really matters. Stripper with big boobs... good for the Johnson.... doctor with small boobs... bad for the Johnson... 18 year old bargirl... good for the Johnson.... 34 year old nurse... bad for the Johnson. Most of the time, that's the way I think; and, I have my own share of sorry tales because of that. Also, I crave for instant gratification much like what a drug addict would behave. I believe all mongers behave the same way. As mongers, we just have to admit that we usually are not thinking right and that we just have to try a little harder when we want to be serious. Oftentimes we mix ideas about women we want to marry and women we just want to f***. That will be the challenge for everybody here.
MasterBlaster
Dear All,
The opinions expressed in this particular message board is extremely prejudiced and offensive.
Generalisation, typification and simplification is one of the worst things that you can do to a section of people looking from your own naroow perspective. If you have such low opinion about your rented girlfriends then either you are extremely bad in judging a person or you are as good ( or as bad ) as those girls who pick your purse while you go to the toilet.
I have known quite a few philipinas also for that matter Indons, Malays and Viets and have also come into contact with other Third world girls from the Caribbeans.
I am sorry to say that the chances of finding a phsycho girl in the first world is far greaterthan in the third world.
For heavens sake stop this idiotic generalisation and get back to mongering and if you do not like the third world girls then stay away from them. Please do not insult them by such generalisation.
Dear Gang,
First I want to thank Masterblast
Your comments to “Mikster and others” are indeed helpful, particularly in taking your time to find the right girl and searching in the right places and putting in the time.
Now I want to write some general comments about what I have been reading lately in general. I am in somewhat of dilemma in how I word this as I am very much aware that many here are writing from their experiences and their perspectives may be shaped only their experience whereas others that have written comments have done so from a more broader and reflective perspective. I do not know who each group is – however as I have been looking over some of the general responses made to some of us with questions about our Phil girlfriends, it feels as if what we/I hear is a negative streak in many of them. Many comments are highly cynical of these girls and paints them out to be ruthless. I have traveled Asia extensively and lived in South Asia for 3 years and continue to make numerous trips annually. I am aware of how some of these girls are drown to the money aspect of a relationship with a foreigner. I don’t think though that every girl is that way. It is almost as if there is an underlying assumption that each of us that has a gf has a bar girl and that all bar girls are the same. Therefore the logic being that if she dumped you or used you…she will do the same to me. While all the dark and sinister scenarios many of you point out may happen – I am not hearing enough credit being given to the girls themselves or a more reasoned approach that considers other perspectives. I am not trying to be harsh in my comments here…I am just asking for something that considers more than one angle.
If any of you have some other suggestions to us or to me specifically – I appreciate it very much. The girl I am with is not a bar girl and is seemingly a decent girl who has worked in the business field with her marketing degree for several years.
Thanks again guys – I really value your comments, particularly those of you that have actually live in PI or been married to a Filipina who is not from the “bar culture”.
Hank
I could not help but comment on this thread. I have always been attracted to asian women and put an ad on one of the asian penpal sites. I am 46 years old and average looking.
Every day i get intrest from 10 to 20 girls. This would be great but the majority of these girls are from 18 to 20 years old.
I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.
I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.
Are they that desperate to get out of the Phillipines or are they truely interested in a 46 year old guy.
Thanks,
Slickery
It's not about being harsh, it's about reality. I was with my filipnia girl for over five years. I've seen the culture, the good side and the bad side. Could you bring over a 35 year old nurse and be ok, mabey. However, that's not what most guys bring home (ala the lbfm trophy wife). My ex was a trophy wife, as well as severa l of her girlfriends. All had awesome bodies and good manners about themselves. Almost all broke up with their older husbands after two (2) years! The only one who didn't is screwing around on the side and has multiple boyfriends she's told me about. Many will say and do anything to get to the US and get a husband. It's just reality that you need to be careful about. Even the girl I know who is staying with her older husband told me she's doing it for her stepkids, not him.
In any event, believe what you wish. Just go in with two eyes open. If I live in Phillippines I could definately get into another long term relationship with one. In the US, I'll stick with other girls. Mabey I'm generalizing, but five years of experience seeing my ex and her friends has left me smarter when it comes to filipinas.
A smarter question, is how many guys on this board actually had long term serious relationships with these girls (over 4 years). These are the guys you should listen to.
I feel the posts of the last few days are really useful for those about to make commitments to women from third world countries.
In the case of the Philippines, remember that you could end up with a truly sincere, wonderful girl, but the family may not be so sweet and look at you as the money pot. Even Filipina domestic helpers in Hong Kong are put under unbearable money request pressure from family back home, to the extent that such Filipinas take on large debts. It is common to read in Hong Kong newspapers about such girls driven to suicide. Be careful, some families are BIG ie 10 sisters & brothers, cousins etc etc. Before you know it there is a whole village out there!
Again, there are exceptions. My advice is be very, very careful and be street wise. You can end up with a real diamond, but you have to filter carefully through a lot of dirt to get to it! Meet the family and see if the handout requests start. They will usually show up after a time. Thus my earlier post advice to take a year with a girl to check things out.
Hank Stram,
I appreciate your kind words. Your comments show a lot of experience and wisdom. Other posters will find it very useful.
Others,
I urge the other posters here not to pass isolated negative experiences as the "truth" especially if the facts are only supported by your own experience. Such action is prejudicial at best and serves no purpose. It is better to just lay down the facts and let the others decide how to interpret it. Making generalizations based on one, two or three experiences is just plain fallacy. I don't think this section is intended to show how you could be infallible either. Show some wisdom like Hank did.
MasterBlaster
Comment from Slikery
<<I could not help but comment on this thread. I have always been attracted to asian women and put an ad on one of the asian penpal sites. I am 46 years old and average looking.
Every day I get intrest from 10 to 20 girls. This would be great but the majority of these girls are from 18 to 20 years old.
I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.
I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.
Are they that desperate to get out of the Phillipines or are they truely interested in a 46 year old guy.>>
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Dear Friend(s),
I might seem to championing the case of philipina women too much, but believe me I have received wonderful treatment from all my rented asian girlfriends. I confess I have not been in relations that are 4 year old, but I have rented the same girl for 6 months in some cases. In all the cases I have expereinced good companionship and a very sensible head on lovely shoulders.
I may have been lucky.
But I am not talking about an isolated case, I've had similar experience with multiple girls.
To answer Slikery's specific question: Yes of course they are after the money. But your age is of much lesser consequence to them. They do not mind having a relation with a much older man. What they prefer is an understanding person. Well If he is rich then it is even better.
I am 40+ myself and my girlfriends are sometimes 20+. I am an Asian so the girls do not associate dollar with me. Also if I like a girl the first thing that I tell her is "I am not a rich guy", which I am not. So there iare no false expectations.
Even with this background, I have had very enjoyable expereinces with my girlfriends (and continuing to have the same even now).
Well I owe it to these girls to speak up for them. They are really wonderful girls.
I am sure there are whakeys and thieves among them, but which population is free from bad elements.
My two pence.
Happy mongering to all.
Dear SLickery,
You write:
I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man.
I do not want to think bad of any of these girls but it does make me worry about marrying any of these girls.
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To offer a possible reasonable anwer to those questions, a young filipina's perspective on why she would have interest in an older Western man lies rooted partly in her culture and maybe partly in her experience.
1. Her culture will implicity respect older men as wise and sophisticated. With that comes a level of stability and nurturing that is attractive to women who are looking for a man who will be a good man to them and a stable family man for their future children.
2. Experience may be that the young filipino boys she goes out with are immature and possibly very promiscuous if not unfaithful. An older man may in fact be less unscrupulous and have a greater sense of loyalty to her...particularly as his own libiido is beginning to be less "charged". Unless he is a serial monger with a serious additiction problem - she may find such a guy attractive, cause for these women it isn't all about the "looks".
Incidentally the money does factor into the equation - but in the sense that the money gifts are seen as an expression of love.
(This is not to say that there aren't ruthless girls who are just out to milk you as I have had my experience with them before)
Hope this is helpful to you.
Hank
Uniform,
I looked at your message below and you wrote:
It's not about being harsh, it's about reality. I was with my filipnia girl for over five years. I've seen the culture, the good side and the bad side. Could you bring over a 35 year old nurse and be ok, mabey. However, that's not what most guys bring home (ala the lbfm trophy wife). My ex was a trophy wife, as well as severa l of her girlfriends. All had awesome bodies and good manners about themselves. Almost all broke up with their older husbands after two (2) years! The only one who didn't is screwing around on the side and has multiple boyfriends she's told me about. Many will say and do anything to get to the US and get a husband. It's just reality that you need to be careful about. Even the girl I know who is staying with her older husband told me she's doing it for her stepkids, not him.
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Let me take a moment to underscore certain assumptions in your report:
1. reality - as defined by you is your limited experience with your gf (admitedly a bar girl) and her girl friends (presumably also from that bar culture) the so called trophy wives.
2. These girls are all young and broke up with their "older" husbands.
3. Many will do and say anything to get to the US and get a husband.
4. Even the one girl you knkow who is sticking with her husband is doing so only for the stepkids.
The assumptions above are again based on limited experience. Now that is reasonable to consider your experience along with others but if we are going to use the language of talking about "reality". Reality is that when a forty or fity something year old male finds a rather uneducated but pretty bar girl of twenty to be his wife, there are going to be some challenges.
Putting aside the age difference, these girls have often had to go this route because they did not have any other options. So they may be lacking in both education, sophistication, culture and maturity all those things play a role in socializing that person into becoming a suitable mate (though not necessarily all those traits are required). So while other girls may have been developing character such as self control, discipline, hard work, frugalness etc. these bar girls developed habits and character built around fast and easy money, the adrenaline rush, multiple partners etc. and in the process may have even developed certain behavioral addictions as a result of their lifestyle that compels them toward continued promiscuity - even if they really dont want to in their hearts. They may in fact need therapy to overcome these personal challenges. So any man that does marry one - better be prepared to take on this baggage and help her through her past - if she even wants it (she may not).
When looking at formulating healthy relationships, it has to go much deeper than an older guy being proud of the trophy wife. Please - I am not trying to pick a fight here or accuse you or anyone else for that matter, of being superficial or shallow or one dimensional in your approach. So much has to go into finding the righ mate and once it is reduced to the frame of "she is good looking", the girl really knows how to play that one easily. Sadly that basis of relationship is off to a bad start without having the really needed stuff to make a good friendship, rapport and mate for the long term. I have to wonder also if the girl deep down inside maybe resents that her perceived value lies in her "good looks" and not for who she is. While there may be some superficiality on her part in entering into a relationship such as she has, yet the esteem issue runs deep and may drive her away if she does not feel truly valued for who she is (or at least things she is) having been raised in a highly Catholic/relgious country.
The third assumption of saying or doing anything to get a husband is certainly valid as you worded it "many" qualifying it accordingly.
The fourth point - about the girl sticking around for the step kids is somewhat sad but certainly i have known many American women who stick around for the sake of the children and when college comes - off she goes to.
Thanks for your report. It was stimulating. Sorry for such a long response but am simply trying to continue to inject reason into the discussion on the board. Hopefully the guys will do better then your friends by not going after a bar girl 20 years their junior, but finding a woman who is in a healthy state of mind and not carrying alot of personal baggage and dsyfuntion. Perhaps a partner closer in age range would also add some more element of frienship and equality to the relationship, though Asian women ofter like older men because of the "respect factor" and "wisdom" often ascribed to them. This is attractive to them from a stabilty standpoint.
Best wishes
Hank
Hank, MB & Man in Search,
Thanks for trying to mellow things out here.
To the rest,
What a bunch of pedantic posturing ! True, this is the "opinion and advice" section. But stop trying to impress us with your wisdom and experience. Does posting make you feel self important ? Get over it.
Anyone who falls in love with a bar girl is an idiot (IMHO) and deserves what he gets. But, people who paint all Filipinas with the same broad brush are no better.
FD
FD and others,
Your right, it probably doesnt do much good for any of us to lecture on the risks of third world marriage. My report was more or less just anecdotal based on a horrible experience that I had. I have more of them, but i didnt want to go into the whole thing. Its not all about me, most of my horror stories are about other men who have used the shittiest judgement possible when out on the search for a wife. I have seen incredible stupidity displayed by otherwise extremely intelligent men. Last year, a friend of mine married an indian girl from Lima, Peru against EVERYONES advice, including a couple of her own friends. I saw him last week and he is severely depressed. She has turned into a ***** who complains about everything, has gotten fat, and wants a divorce. I cant tell you how this frightens me when I develop feelings for foreign women. I am so jaded and cynical that no woman really has a chance with me. Its too bad because I know I have let a couple slip through my hands that I shouldnt have, but I just couldnt pull the trigger and follow through. I could use a can of some Ronald Reagan optimism when I meet someone that I have a good feeling about. Then, the other part of me says why even bother thinking about marriage at all? There's really nothing in it for a man that is worth the risk with any women, and financial devastation is right around the corner if she decides to leave you. Remember, if you marry a foreign woman you are on the hook for a long period of support should things go south. I dont think a man can afford to be to careful in this process.
Anyway, just my opinion. Not intended to be a lecture or put down of anyone who disagrees with me.
Mikster
Slickery,
"I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man."
I will be blunt and honest but please don't get offended. I will just be laying down the facts for you. These are the reasons a "presumably" 18 year old girl expresses interests with a 46 year old man over the Internet:
1. She sees you as her knight in shining armor since she sees you as a way out of her misery (including her family's misery);
2. She had been in a bad relationship (possibly got pregnant) and unequivocably decided that all local guys are bad;
3. She sees you as attractive because you have the Western looks. This comes from the "colonial mentality" that persists in Philippine society. You could also bring prestige to the family.
4. She sees you as a stable figure who likely would not womanize because of your age;
5. Her family would like to get out of the country and decided that she is their only ticket. All the relatives pitch in responding to your e-mails and listen to all your phone conversations;
6. She wants you to sponsor you in her studies and make you a good Samaritan. She can be brazen as to say that "Western people are so nice they pay for everything for nothing."
7. You are just a potential con victim who they can get cash or profit from. Beware of attractive pictures especially if you haven't seen her on a webcam or does not let you talk over the phone. Most pictures are actually cut-outs from teen magazines. SOB stories are to be told with expectation to loosen your pocket. She may show her own picture but she might want you to buy her some cell phone loads which she is crazy about.
8. You are just part of "her" girlish fantasy. Some are gay playing irresistable girl. It's their pictures that were posted but their voice and mannerism is the tie-breaker;
9. They like to have friends from foreign lands and maybe play house later. She really doesn't have a clue why she is doing it. She's probably still a kid.
10. You are just so irresistable even James Bond couldn't compare to you.
You take your pick. I hope you keep this in mind. Good luck!
MasterBlaster
Uninfun and others,
If you think reality is that Western guys always bring Third World "trophy" wives then so be it, however, don't expect that special rules or privileges apply to these people. I understand that you've been seeing this as a trend for which you have suffered yourself, but, couldn't you just rationalize that a successful marriage is not based on looks alone? Maybe you already thought about this.
In my opinion, marrying a bar girl is the biggest mistake that a Westerner could ever make. Bar girls are light years away compared to normal working girls. Bar girls work on the idea on how to make a quick buck no matter what while a normal working girl believes in the decency and dignity of labor. Bar girls have started from being desperate, abused, demeaned and later being the poser, user and abuser. They are psychologically damaged in the head because they can never really escape from being desperate, abused and demeaned even if they get married to a Westerner. In the Philippines, a bar girl is looked upon as one of the lowest in society. They are always suspect to being a prostitute. They are always the gossip of the neighborhood. They are teased while they walk the streets. Their families usually shun them or look at them as the gravy train.
Once I met this good looking ex-Olongapo bar girl from a trendy nightclub in Texas. We traded stories finally I asked her how she got to America. It was a friendly conversation. Along the way, she explicitly told me she married this old guy but she left him at home to party. Guys were practically buying her drinks left and right then this young guy came and she introduced him to me as his new man. Then suddenly in the middle of the conversation, she ordered me to buy drinks otherwise she wouldn't talk to me no more. What a pompous ass! I said whispering: In the Philippines, you are practically a 1,000 peso w****! The good thing I didn't call her PUTA or she'd probably let loose her w**** fury. I felt sorry for the old guy who brought her.
Bottomline, looks could only go so far.
MasterBlaster
Just my two cents worth, from a native of the Philippines.
I realize that a lot of those who post on this thread (or this forum) are really foreign to the Philippines. I bet even a lot of you will be caucasian, which really make you stand out in the crowd over here. I understand how easy it is to generalize and put down Filipinas because of the bad experiences you guys may have had. However, like what a lot of others have said, you just made a bad pick.
Face it, if you pick up a "working girl," don't expect her to be all nice to you and not to exploit you. That's their ultimate intention really. Foreigner or not, you really can't trust these women especially with regard to money matters. Just like picking up a cheap hooker in any country.
Now, some of you may ask "why can't I get a decent girl in the Philippines?" Here's what I think happens:
The bad eggs (working girls looking to exploit foreigners) are all over the place, especialy in public malls and bars. The more foreign you look, the more they'll approach you. So, you may think you met a decent girl, but you just met a very good con artist in disguise. Also, looking at the pics you guys post here, I see that your tastes lean more towards the exotic (a.k.a. half-monkey) women. Honestly, there are a lot more pretty women here than you may realize. I know because I've availed of the local services as well. It will probably cost you guys just as much to get a decent escort service as it is to pick-up an ugly woman who's all ready to put out just because she sees you've got a fat wallet.
Now, decent girls are a difficult catch if your a strange looking foreigner. There is the local mentality that foreigners here are always looking for a quick wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am thing. So, you probably will have a very difficult time getting to know any decent local girl. Besides, the upper scale women here have the idea that AIDS and other STD are more prolific in the western countries, so one-nighters with a foreigner are dangerous. Further, please don't dress up like garbae when you're walking around. If you look like trash, you'd probably attract trash too.
Just some word of advice, don't get too involved with paid women. The reason you're paying for their services is so that you can part ways and forget each other after. Sex is cheap in the Philippines, so stop trying to get any freebees and you'll probably remain safe from those girls that are after your money thinking you're gonna give them a better life in some other part of the world.
This is my first report on the forum. I have read the opinion of all members. I would just like to say if you want a Filipina, just enjoy with her but dont get seriously involved else you would be heart broken. That's the best way to sum it up.
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Hank,
Thank you for your reply. I guess we can agree to disagree, but I feel that I need to clarify two important points.
First, my ex was not a bar girl. Out of all of her freinds, only one was a bar girl. My ex came over on a pen pal service and I met her in the US years later. She was from a real conservative family.
Second, she was older than me by a couple of years. Again, it wasn't the age difference at all. In five years I met her family (which was great though it is true about the extended family asking for money), and her friends, almost all of whom were filipina. There certainly was some good side, but the bad side unfortunately prevented my relationship from working. Similar problems arose in her friend's relationships.
As I said before, if and when I retire and move to Phillippines, I would definately get into a relationship there (no marriage though), but here, I'll stick to others. Just my two cents.
I guess I'll dive in on this one. I don't believe for a minute that a bar girl can't leave the bars and have a great relationship with some guy. I think the reason Americans who marry bar girls have such low success rates is that the girls never loved them in the first place. The girls married them for practical finacial reasons - to escape their current circumstances. If those same girls married for love rather than money the odds of a happy permanent relationship would go up dramatically.
I do agree that the bar life has negative effects on girls that they will need to work out but they can be worked out. I think it would be harmful to self esteem, make them distrust men, addict them to the excitement, etc.
So what is my conclusion? I won't marry a bar girl. I'm over 50, over weight, bald - I doubt the girl's attraction would be real. But if I were a good looking younger guy - I don't know. If I did fall for a bar girl I would live with her IN THE Philippines - unmarried. And I would try to get her into counseling.
My 2 cents, or pesos,
Many of the ladies that provide the services we want come from poor families and have very little options.
Unlike the US it is virtually impossible to break out of the lower classes in the third world countries. Combine this with a culture (many not just in the Phillipines) that accept prostitution, and you have the ladies.
Let's face it sex is friction, and a physical act only. and to many cultures that is why the stigma that we Americans have doesn't exist.
Like everything, there is no absolutes, but I know some bargirls from asian countries that have made good wives, long lasting relationships.
The difficulty is finding the ones that are honest, they exist, but many that are also lying for the chance to come over here and the money.
Younger women fall for older men, it happens and with many of the cultures we hobby in, the men can be real jerks.
If one wishes to hook up with a working lady, I would counsel take your time as here, the more time you are together, the more you get to know the person. It's difficult with long distance, but hey, if your serious, it's a small price to pay.
Migrant
Mikster wrote:
"Remember, if you marry a foreign woman you are on the hook for a long period of support should things go south."
Hello to all you guys. I've read many time on this web site opinions like this, and I think there is a misunderstanding there. Financilay would it be so different,when things goes wrong but you have married a girl of your land?? IMO your problems will be the consequence of the fact that you trusted a girl (most of them) who dosen't really cares at you, independently she is a foreign woman or not. :)
Only my opinion.
Peace
Leo
Action Star aka Mr 1-post,
What report? Kill more brain cells and work your way up to at least 1/20-th the number of postings of the people in the discussions especially when you feel like summarizing for them. At least, we won't think of you as a Boy Scout doing your sacred oath.
MasterBlaster
Trim Keeper,
The statement "I wonder what an 18 year old girl wants with a 46 year old man" is not specifically about bar girls. Anyways, this section is about Filipinas and not bar girls. And, if you think your opinion about an 18 old girl being happy with a 46 year old negates the thousands of successful marriages between 18 year olds and 40+ or 50+ Westerners then you must be using a faulty crystal ball. I agree that many have been unsuccessful but it simply means NOT ALL. Do not assume that every human being in the planet has money and material gains in their minds. Third World people may not be rich but I would assure they can find happiness with just a little comfort and a little kindness.
MasterBlaster
Trim Keeper,
The topic was about 18 year olds expressing interests for a 46 year old man in a penpal site; a topic raised by Slickery. You made a simplification that all these 18 YO are all bad and bound to ruin the man's life. These 18 YO are from the general population; so, how could you have made that simplication? For sure, you associate them with the bar girls, your rented gfs or unsavory characters you're capable of attracting.
I am NO foreigner so my perspective is definitely different than yours. But I'm no stranger in trying to attract other women in other countries either, that is, including First World countries. The truth is any woman in any country can potentially screw you up. The problem is some people think they deserve a better deal than anybody just because they came from a First World country. And when the failure happens, these people just find it convenient to malign everybody else from the Third World country for the s*** they got themselves into. That is just Western arrogance. The truth is the foreigner is the "chooser" and the Third World country girl is the "chosen". So, who's fault is it if the relationship failed? If you think others would want to shoot their own foot just let them do it and call them stupid later, but, quit painting all Filipinas as beasts out to get you.
MasterBlaster
Trim Keeper,
You're problem is you generalize too much and you go off context and you have a lot to say about the Philippines yet your experience did not even go more than 4 months. The first time you came to the Philippines was April as stated in your previous posts. When you were running after pussy all this while, when did you get the moment of clarity that you understood how life is in the Philippines? Have you really the chance to met normal people? I don't dispute everything you said but please put everything in context.
MasterBlaster
Master Blaster
you are right man I am a Afro-American and I love your country man the hospitality is like none other and I have traveled the world extensively via the US army Hungary, Korea etc.... but I met a girl she was not a bar girl we made love cause it was not hot sex to me I am 22 and handsome and I got a little dough(money) I can get that in my home city of Chicago she was a sweet little something though I do believe she wanted to make me love her with sex cause I told her over and over again it was not necessary but like you said we are the choosers.
J Boy, Migrant One,
I agree with what both of you said. There is still hope for a bar girl. I have met the nicest bar girls and they could easily pass as my childhood friend. Unfortunately, some have developed the bar mentality and find it difficult to really adjust to life outside of the bar. On the other hand, some are shameful of what they are doing but have no recourse since that is their only way out of a more unbearable situation. The difficulty, like you said, is knowing how to identify which one is which. Just to add, another is the difficulty of trying to live (once you are already married) with the knowledge that she was once a bar girl and the relationship constantly suffers since the trust level is never constant. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody, and, personally, I do not want to be in that situation. Besides, there are a lot more decent girls to be had without going through those complications. I really appreciate you writing sensible and stimulating comments unlike some who could only write wildly.
Happy mongering.
MasterBlaster
Wil Kil,
Glad your enjoying yourself in the country. The more you get in tune with the locals the more you get action. You will also love it in Australia as the locals are also fun loving and they enjoy Asians and Afro-Americans like no other country I know. Upon arriving at the airport, the women are already flirting and the bars are so full of gorgeous women. I court women even on the streets and they respond. I snagged myself a few and it cost me practically nothing. The P4P is also excellent especially in Sydney. The quality of the girls are so high I can't believe it. It's like meeting girls from the covers of Cosmopolitan and Vogue magazines and it's not expensive either. The escort services even have higher quality. I went to Penthouse in Pitt Street and I banged women of various race and color for two days. It was like the United Nations there but filled with beautiful ready to f*** rated 10 women. I almost fulfilled my dream of "going around the world" and f***ing women. I thought I could do it but upon hearing the different accents while they do their sex talk / moans / groans is like Viagra to the ears and the Johnson just kept on raising up from the dead like clockwork. I think the only country I missed was Russia since I didn't have the time left. I'll probably just go to Toronto for that one or maybe go back to Sydney for another "trip around the world". Sorry for the sidetrip. Well, have fun and treat those Filipina GFs of yours nice like you already do. BTW, how is Hungary action? I love Slavic women. Their butts are the best.
MasterBlaster
Trim Keeper,
I thought you were just confused; now, you are a liar. The last time you left the Philippines was 35 years ago that puts you at 6 years old back then. The only thing that was clear back then was that you wanted your baby bottle. The most recent was 4 months ago. That makes you an expert? See your own post - they don't lie.
http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=201502#post201502
http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=200202#post200202
Anyways, my age is no further that yours and I wasn't wearing my daddy's shorts like you claim I was. Surely, i'm not an idiot coz I beat you. Are you an ambulance lawyer? A public defender can beat you. You don't run after pussy? You flew 3,000 miles just to get pussy. Don't kid me. Keep boasting and don't forget to pay somebody an SMB.
MasterBlaster
'Your review of my posts are only what "I" want people to know about me! '. What kind of defense is that? For a lawyer, you suck! Oh, I'm sorry, you might not be a lawyer.
Masterblaster, Trim Keeper,
Why don't you both have a time out for a week and allow us others to use this excellent forum for what it is intended.
Fastpiston,
Since you put it so nicely, I will comply. NO word from me after this since he already invoked a suicide defense.
MasterBlaster
Just to lighten the mood in this room. If you have been with a filipina for some time, I got 12 years with the same one, you will really relate to a lot of these.
You may be married to a Filipina if...
While this has circulated on the internet for quite some time, I have no idea who originally wrote it, though there can be NO doubt that the fella has a Filipina wife...by the way, this is all in good fun, so I hope no one is offended by some of the broader generalizations here. Some of these items I didn't understand myself, but most struck a familiar chord, and my wife enjoyed it (well, most of it), so I figure it's safe for public consumption.
________________________________________________
You may be married to a Filipina If... (written by an American guy who loves his Filipina wife in spite of the numerous irregularities):
* Your refrigerator is always full but you cannot find any food that you recognize
* Instead of a dowry, you got the whole bill for the wedding and honeymoon
* Most of the decorations in your house are made of wicker
* You are expected to be able to read her mind just by watching her eyebrows move up and down and by the way her lips are pointed
* All her relatives think your name is "Joe"
* The instant you are married you have 3,000 new close relatives that you can't tell apart
* Your house isn't really on fire, you've just got a very charred fish on top of the stove burner
* All the desserts are sticky and all the snacks are salty
* She eats her fruit with giant salt crystals and her fried chicken with ketchup
* Even the ketchup tastes weird...very weird
* You throw a party and everyone is fighting to chop the leathery skin off a dead pig
* All your kids have 4-5 middle names
* Your in-laws take 10 years to acknowledge your existence and to call you by something other than "that white guy"
* You try to call her up on the phone and someone tells you "for a while" and you want to know "for a while, what??"
* You are trying to go to sleep and she keeps asking for the comFORT'r, and you ain't got a clue what she's talking about
* Your first Christmas present is some funny looking, baggy, see-thru shirt made out of leftover lace doilies
* Your phone bills are composed mostly of international and calls that average 3 hours each
* She sweeps with something that witches usually fly around on
* Her idea of classy, expensive champagne is Asti Spumante
* The rice cooker is on 24 hours a day and uses up 50% of your electricity and food budget
* On your first trip to the Philippines, you have 18 giant boxes that weigh 1000 pounds each and your "carry on" luggage requires a small forklift truck
* The same luggage is over filled with things that cost an average of 15 cents each like old magazines and M&Ms -- the worst part is when you get off the plane, the same stuff you've been hauling around half way around the world is available in every store in the airport for half the price!
* All her pajamas look like they were worn by the Dalai Lama until they got too faded and he discarded them
* The first time she's pregnant you have to go out at 4:00 in the morning looking for some weird type of greasy sausages, green mangoes and bagoong
* You buy a new $500 freezer so she can store 200 pounds of SPAM and CORNED BEEF that was on sale
* Everything in your house was bought on sale, even if you don't need it ... that it was a "bargain" is all that matters
* She gets really excited by sucking the fat out of pig knees
* Your daughter gets her ears pierced when she's 2 minutes old but your sons are not circumcised until they turn 21
* All your postage bills instantly double
* You hire a Ya-Ya because your wife ckeabs mirrors with soap and a sponge and the Ya-Ya seems cheaper than a divorce
* The only "white meat" she likes is YOU. And that's if you're lucky...
* Her favorite sauce is called "patis." Americans call it turpentine
* She actually thinks that bowling and golf and billiards are real sports and are more important than baseball and football
* You were married 5 years before she explained to you that "ARAY!" doesn't mean "ooh, baby!"
* She prefers bistek to beef steak
* Her idea of new upholstery is rinsing the bagoong stains out of the slip covers
* She can eat and talk at the same time; in fact that's her specialty!
* Her favorite meal is leftovers, her favorite fancy dessert is Jell-O mold and for something REALLY romantic, she'll offer you a halo-halo with 2 straws
* You still don't know the difference between manong and manok
* She and the kids are always saying "Daddy made utot" and you still don't know what it means, but they think it's pretty funny
* Other than eyebrow raising and lip puckering, her next most expressive form of communication is grunts and pssst's
* She goes to the movies just for the AC
* Her homeland has more Megamalls than islands
* Before every holiday and visit, her sisters fax you a 10 page "bilins" list which says "suggestion only"
* Your kitchen table has a merry-go-round in the middle
* All the vegetables she buys at the Filipino store look like they were grown at Chernobyl
* Her friends are named Chinky, Girlie, Boy and Bimbo and NO, you are not allowed to smirk
* Her home economics course only taught shopping, eating and siesta; cooking, cleaning and sewing were not electives
* Her idea of edifying reading is gossip magazines
* All your place settings have the silverware backwards and there are no knives
* She washes her hair with a bucket and her car with a broom
* Her favorite book (she has 3 copies) is "1001 New Recipes for Pig Parts You Were Gunna Throw Out"
* You are the only family in a 200 mile radius with 2 Betamaxes, 3 televisions
* She's done her best job planning a surprise party for you if she manages not to tell you about it until a week or two before
* She "cleans" her closet by throwing all the crap into your closet
Lucifer,
Dude...this is so funny! I've seen most of these at one time or another, but its funnier when revisited haha. I've only been with mine for 3 years but everything still holds true LOL.
Thanks for the laughs :) (Oh, and for you guys that wonder these are ALL true!)
Lucifer:
Great post! That's the first time I have ever seen this list, and it reconfirmed my commmitment never to marry a Filipina! I have noticed many of the same things with live-in girlfriends, which may explain why I do not hang on to any of them very long.
Lucifer, GoodEnough,
Great post Lucifer. Its amazing what you can learn even when its meant to be funny. GE, your right. I have always thought filipinas were best kept as LBFM and leave the marriage part to other guys. Sad, but most likely true.
I love banging filipinas the best of any I have had, but I really believe that for an American, a latina is probaby the best bet in the crapshoot that is foreign marriage. My OP only.
Dragon Slayer,
Dude, your right. I have been busy banging japanese broads, but I have tried to write you. Your inbox seems to always be full, and I did try writing to your other email and I dont know if you got it or not, but I did send it.
Mikster
Mikester:
The other thing I have recently noticed (and experienced) here is the aggressive and really unpleasant jealousy of women, when one has a relationship with a foreigner and the other, who wants such a relationship, does not have one. Even the best of friends, it seems, will go to great lengths to undermine each other in an attempt to destroy the relationship of the lady with the foreign boyfriend. Though I have lived here for the better part of a year now, this is the first time I've observed this phenomonon, and having discussed it with other expat friends here, I'm convinced that my experience is not unique.
It appears to me that the penchant for wanting to destroy that which the "other" has, even though such destruction offers no benefit to the underminer, is more prevalant here than I had realized. I finally decided just to divorce myself from the whole mess and to refrain from commenting on the stories, allegations, distortions and general lies being circulated about me. It seemed to work, as I simply refused to provide anymore fuel to the fire.
Maybe the situation exists because there is a limited number of foreign men here and the competition for their affections, and their wallets is fierce. Or maybe the situations like this fester because the women have so little else to occupy their time. Whatever the reason, such situtions create hurt feelings and unnecessary hassles,
GoodEnough
Hahahahahahah, I see you have learned grasshopper. That is true what you speak. Its called the crab mentality of the filipino people. If one person starts to get ahead and rise up, the others will grab them and bring them back down to their level.
Like you said even though there is no monatary gain for the crab in doing this they still like to grab onto them and drag them back down to the bottom where they dwell. No one there likes to see another succeed above them before they do.
Your experience is not unique my son, it is probably one of the most non thought about practices that happens, its just second nature to them. Just count it as a good day that you learned something. Thats just the way it is and it ain't gonna change in our life time. Thanks for the honest report. It helps all.
I met my wife in the New York club in Kinville Okinawa in 1989 while there as a Marine, I brought her here in July of 1990 on a fiancee visa and we were married in Aug of 90, she now has US citizenship, in retrospect I should have followed my Grandmother's wish and request that 'Don't bring one of those asian girls home'
My wife has 4 brothers and 4 sisters, and the amount of support that has been sent has increased along with my income, my wife has not really contributed into the marraige, her income for the first ten years was her own (when she worked), plus she had to have money from me. Then when she was convinced to join her income with mine to pay off bills she could not live within her allowance, and complained that I was spending the money.
She has changed from being a LBFM to a frigid, coniving, controlling *****. Her priorities are to support her brothers and sisters families, (one of her sisters has 8/9 kids) and now I pay for her younger sisters appartment with refridgerator and the works, while her sister and brother sit on their ass.
I went once to meet her family and it was a non-stop flow of people daily asking for money.
Once my sister needed some help and my wife was enraged that she might have to help my family. I loaned one of my brothers a thousand dollars and my wife acted like I gave away our life savings, my neice is asking to come and stay with us to have a new start for her and her two kids and my wife is acting like its the end of the world.
I don't mind helping people, and I don't mind helping my wife's family, but I do mind providing for people that won't hellp themselves.
My Advise to everyone is to fuck them and leave them there.
Ljohnson,
It was mostly told of the hazards of being married to a fillipina, that they are extreemly one sided and very narrow minded.
I don't give them money, my exwife did which is why she lives in an apartment and I have the house.
And lets add one and one, you say you have been married for thirty years, yet your in here?, sounds like something is missing
I do understand that they have not had much, but that is mostly due to the selfishness and petty bickering these people do.
Wildeone59:
I agree with Ljohnson. Why not "just say no." The only two possible outcomes seem to be that your wife, seeing some steel in your backbone, backs off and stops hassling you, or she leaves, which seems to be a conclusion that you would have no problem accepting. What's the worst that could happen? You get diviorced and she gets half your income as alimony? Sounds from what you said that this would amount to less than you're paying now. Tell her to fuck off and see what happens.
Wildone59
What happend with you ? You can not say NO ?? What are you afraid off ?
Do not complain to anybody about the things happend to you. You make your own mess.
Learn to say NO
Wildone59?
Or more likely Whimpone01.
I believe you have possibly heard enough already from fellow mongers here.
If not, and since I live here in the USA and I am guessing you do also, let me be the one to come kick you in your ass and get your manhood rebooted.
I will of course sedate this with some beer.
Holy shit my friend. I would love to come help you with moral support. Yes, that is right. Moral support. Because what your going through is a crime.
In the mean time I will also take some of your wife's female relatives and show them the realities of life as well.
Just let me know if you need some help with your backbone.
FF
Ljohnson,
This was intended as an example of how these broads can be, if I had a dollar for every fight my wife and I had when I said no and she went and did it anyway I would not be missing the money.
As I stated in the first post, you can't help but have some empathy for these people, but then again most of them don't set themselves up to go anywhere.
I gave my wife the benefit of multiple chances due to her being abandoned and forced to work this way by her family, and also having an abusive BF before me, and her resultant bi-polar disorder due to the neglect and abuse.
Marraige is also supposed to be a commitment until death.
Yes, I do have backbone, she is soon to be an ex-wife.
I am curious as to why you are here in this type of forum if you have been so happily married for 30yrs
GoodEnough,
'just say no', I have said NO, No, No, so many times and so many ways to her that I thought that 'No' was the main word in the english dictionary.
When she agreed that I was right and then she did it anyway, typical filipina style, was when I realized that it woud never work with her.
Wildone59
Wildone59:
Sorry for my off the cuff comments. It's always easy to give perfct advice when you know nothing about the context or the people involved. I'm glad that you finally dumped her. It sounds to me like you did everything you could to make it work.
GE
Wildone - "cheaper to keep her". Mine would get close to 1/2 mill if we split "Happily"? (but non-Asian)
Regarding Filipinas and women of many cultures: Do what's good for you.
Many women, U.S. and other, are going to try their best to exploit you through feelings of sympathy. It's in our nature, as men, to act to a degree lke guardians and protectors.
But also remember that many women will not only tell you tales of woe and abuse, but they'll also entirely invent them. So take it with a grain of salt when your girly tells you she was in an abusive relationship before you came along.
And if your girly's family is overseas, the chance that her father needs help with his hospital bills is more likely that he wants a shiny DVD player, or if he's a brighter fellow, maybe a new deck.
There are exceptions to the rule, but in many cases, you can take the girl out of the favela, but you can't take the favela out of the girl. And in the favela, sometimes the only assett a girl has is her sweet body and smile. That unfortunate truth breeds a lot of conniving putanas.
At 34, I've had my heart broken a few times. My credit rating is still intact.
Hi guys!
Does anyone know how difficult it is for filipina girl to get a visa to visit me in the USA for a week or two? IS there much paperwork involved in this or is it pretty straightforward? Thanks for the advice here.
Hank
Hank Stram:
On the off chance that your post is not a joke, I can tell you that the chances are between slim and none. The entire process takes at least 6 months and the percentage actually granted visas is quite small.
After much paperwork and expense it will eventually be very straightforward: the answer will be no, she can't, buzz off and have a nice day.
Unless she is chief of surgery at an elite hospital and her dad is a wealthy tycoon and her mom is a high government official, the U.S. authorities will almost always decide (rightly or wrongly) that there is insufficient reason to believe that a poor, working, or middle class Filipina will not overstay, and applications for U.S. tourist visas are routinely denied to ordinary Philippine citizens.
It is a lot easier for YOU to visit her in the RP.
Trisomie,
Ever wondered why the Chinese dominate trade and commerce in the Philippines?
Simple - they help one another out and work together through "guangxi" (connections/networking) for the greater good of the community (Chinese, that is).
What's my point?. Well lets just say that "crab" analogy suits Filipinos to a tee.
They are so engaged in sponging, mooching and trying to bring others down in their sly mischievious ways that, unlike the Chinese,are not smart enough to realize that the way to get ahead is by working together. These people want a free ride and will try and sink their claws into you at the first oppurtunity (another crab analogy?).
Remember the 4 F's for Filipinas;
Find her
Feed her
Fuck her
Fling her
If you want a serious relationship with a women, go Chinese/Korean or Japanese.
Flips are too DYSFUNCTIONAL.
Cheers
Trisomie
Good Enough and Wastrel,
Thanks for the responses. I anticipated somewhat that kind of response however, I have heard otherwise from Philpino friends here in the US. In the case of this woman, she is a married girl (though separated) with 4 children, college educated and working for a mulitnational in Phil and solidly middle class. Most importantly does have something to return to in Phil...4 children. So I guess I kind of figured she would be a safe bet for visa for tourist visit.
I guess maybe I am wrong - unless someone else has another insight into this. My Phil friend here in states said that because of the overstaying of visas and stuff they have reduced visa stays for 2 months.
Hank
Hank Stram
I brought my wife overhere on a fiancee visa, that took 13 months, and I would not send support money to your girl, it only sets you up as money source for her, she would always come up with a reason for you to send her money.
I would take time off and visit her there, and half think about surprising her, this way you would know if she has a regular filipino guy as a BF that she really likes, and using you for money.
hank,
i find the information from your friends interesting. not sure what to do with it, but interesting. i happened to be in manila when the philippino gossip grapevine overthrew a government, and i tend to respect the potency of their international telepathic chatter network, so i wouldn't want to lightly dismiss their understanding of the matter. my home base in the u.s. is near las vegas, which has a very substantial fil-am community, so i will probably try to ask some folks here about it in case my knowledge of the tourist visa situation is obsolete or they have some insight in how to outwit it.
something else i would want to consider if i was going to try what you want to do is that i have found that international flights originating in the rp tend to be more expensive than trips originating from the u.s. to the philippines. it is possible that i just don't know where or how to look for them, but i haven't found r/t fares from manila for anything like the $600usd consolidator fares i know i can get in the other direction, and even the all-asia pass from cathay pacific that i am familiar with required that the junket begin from lax, sfo, or sea-tac. on the other hand, maybe your filipina friend can catch a better deal with pal becuase she is a philippine national, and i am not.
wastrel
Nobody here with good experience in marriage with Filipinas???
Maybe is not the forum for it.....
I'm not interested in marriage, but i read many posts of every country and i found the same prolems everywhere.
In the past i thought that a Filipinas is one of the best choice....
Maybe the problem is not the nationality.....
HotSam,
I have been living in the Philippines for the better part of 10 years and been married to the same girl for more than 12.
I think that the best way is to stay away from the bar girls as they tend to learn the bad habits of easy come easy go. They don't really have a lot of common sense in the financial department.
I think the waitresses, department store girls, regular business store girls are a much better choice. I met mine overseas and we decided to move back to the Philippines after we had made a few trips there together.
I accidentally came upon the following website and found that it had some really good information.
http://filipinawives.com/
It can answer a lot of questions without the bitterness common to this board of bad experiences. It can and does work out with filipinas.
I know more than a few Filipinas here, several of them middle class, who spend a reasonably high proportion of their time establishing and maintaining internet-based relationships with guys in the US and Europe. Several maintain relationships with 3-5 guys who send them money, propose marriage, and offer to take them out of the country. Having read the posts and listened to the phone calls from these guys, it appears that many of them are convinced that they're "engaged" to these women.
Leaving aside for the moment, the wisdom of proposing marriage to somone they have never met, and about whom they know nothing at all, the fact is that the creation of as may of these relationships as possible is, for Filipinas, somewhat of a national sport. Many of these guys call the women once or even twice a day, and do not appear to consider the fact that their "fiancees" have multiple virtual relationships. The rationale, from the standpoint of the women seems to be that from among a skein of possibilities, one may actually work out and offer them a viable chance to get the hell out of here.
From the standpoint of the guys, I have no clue what's in their heads. Perhaps they're motivated by the mistaken though noble belief that they are going to "save" the women from lives of poverty and neglect. Perhaps they're unwilling or unable to sustain actual relationships in their own countries, or perhaps they're playing games as well and have several simultaneous relationships with groups of women. All I can tell you is that here in the Philippines, it's a huge con game from which the women derive substantial financial benefits.
Recently, I was in bed with an adorable woman, had just finished an intense bout of making love with her, and her phone rang. It was her "boyfriend/fiancee" from Europe telling her how much he loved her. She carried on an apparently sincere conversation with him, reassuring him how much she loved him, he promised to send money, and she went back to fucking my brains out. She told me later she had several such relationships and never expected any of these guys to actually show up.
I think the lesson to be learned here for you guys out there who maintain these relationships from 12,000 miles away is that things are rarely as they seem and the chances are good that while you're fantacizing about the girl, and sending her money for support, the chances are excellent both that a few other guys are doing the same thing and that she's fucking one or more non-virtual guys on the ground in the Philippines. Do not delude yourselves into thinking that you're the chivalrous white knight responsible for the survival of the woman, or that your Pygmalion dreams are anything but dreams.
We say in French: "Un homme averti en vaux deux," which means that a man who has been warned is worth two of one who has not been. Consider yourselves warned.
GE
Good Enough,
I am quite curious about the kind of girls you are referring to. I know that stated these were "middle class" girls and certainly a young lady working in a bar can eventaully earn enough money to be considered "middle class". You gave the story of you screwing a girl who was having multiple relationships with Europeans and reasurring a fiancee of her love and devotion. Was this a bar girl or a nice girl you met working in a professional setting.
Please set the context for your statement about these girls "bilking" as many guys as they can for their money. Are these decent professionals working normal jobs or dysfunctional, poverty stricken desperate girls or bar girls?
your generalization is not clear about the "class of girls" you are referring to. Thanks for some clarity here.
Hank
Hank,
I actually had a message on an Filipina internet date site from a girl in the same position as your girl. She also had four children.
In the message she told me that she was looking for a relationship with a guy from the USA and that she was willing to leave her four children at home to have a husband in the USA to have a better live and be able to support her children. That she would love him and please him and also have hopes to get a job to send money back to her four children. In other words, you are now supporting her children and the family they are staying with.
I understand her situation, but her message left me with an impression that she was trying to leave her children permanently and really didn't want the responsibility anymore. While others may look at her as sacrificing and very caring. I thought he total opposite.
Just me opinion
FF
Goodenough,
The part of your message giving the possible main reason for most or some of the girls carrying on more than one interent relationship. Because they do not know which guy will actually come through with all the promises is why I don't blame them for having multiple possible suitors on the hook. To many guys play with their feelings as well.
I also hold a very little sympathy for those girls who are bilking multiple guys out of their loot and never have any intention of actually going through with her promises. If she is any good, the money she can bring in is far more what she would make with the poor job opportunities and poor pay if you do get a job in the Philippines. Because if the guy is naive enough to believe her, then someone is going to take his money sooner or later anyway. So why not her.
I have had many girls on yahoo chat who talk of wanting to meet me during my next trip to the Philippines. Soon after I agree that it would be nice to meet her she begins talking about needing to stay in touch with each other till I arrive to the Philippines.
Then she gets around to telling me that she cannot afford to stay in touch because she has no job. So, would I support her in staying in contact with me.
Of course I always tell them no and let them know exactly why. They always come back that they are not like that, but if I think he is that's OK. I respond that I'm sorry if I upset her, but there are to many girls lying and playing games on Chat sites.
I tell her to give me her cell phone number and I will call her when I get to the Philippines. If we actually make contact then it was meant to be, if not then guess what?
Just wanted to share one very common scam that I have had tried on me many times.
FF
Hey how about some advice for me.
On my last trip to Cebu I met a girl there who worked in the mall. She's a sales lady at one of the botique stores.
First off, I'm not looking for a serious relationship so it wouldn't break my heart if she was screwing some other guys. I just want tips on how to tell if she's telling the truth or not. I've read the past posts so I have some ideas but more advice is better than less.
Reasons that I want to know if she's straight foreward with me or not is that, if she's screwing around then I want to make sure I use protection always and if her story is true I plan on paying for tuition for her to finish college, she claims to have 2 years left. I'm not in love but sometimes I just like helping people and if she's legit I'd just help her out for the hell of it. Obviously I would pay tuition straight to the school not to her and check up with her professors on how she is doing and if she is showing up to class, etc.
From what I can gather she's just started her 5 month contract there at her store.
Some reasons that make me think she's a non-P2P girl is:
1. Works at a store, 6 days a week 8 hours a day. Why would a P2P girl spend hours all day and week working making 200p a day when she can work nights and make 5 times that. This is verified because I would drop by the store during the day and pick her up after work during the week I was there.
2. Has an old beat up crappy cell phone. I'm not talking even the old Nokia 3315 black and white that I bought for 3000p last month. The thing has to be a couple of years old and through a couple of past owners. P2P girls usually have a decent phone or top model phones since either they got the money or they have greed, that's why they are in the business.
3. Wardrobe is average with not many name brands, ie. Bench, JAG, Kamiseta, etc. I can tell she only has maybe a couple of clothes that she recycles for the week.
4. Lives in a boarding house with 3 other girls in the same room. Went to see it already.
So what would be some ways to check up on her and look for signs.
I repeat I'm not in love nor looking for a relationship with her, just looking for ways to verify her story to me so that if she's telling the truth I will help her with her schooling. When I say I will help her I don't mean for sex. I guess I have the typical knight in shining armor complex.
Mook
Mook: She is probably genuine so go ahead and give her a chance. And tell her you wil check up from time to time.
I bonked some ladies in Bangkok who were working in shitty factory jobs by day and doing some hooking by night. If her room mates are hooking, as would be natural if they need the dough and don't morally object to it, there would be pressure on her to do likewise.
Women are into shit like mobile phones; they are social creatures. Give her a break, and a new mobile phone too. If it works out, you will be happy.
Mook:
You have already done the most logical thing, which is to drop by unannounced and confirm that she's where she said she would be. All of the other outward signs you mention point to her story being true. Go ahead. Help her with school. It's one of the best things you could do with your money, and you will make a difference in her life.
well, here's some advice from me.
i asked her straight up why she's not hooking and has she ever and if not why not, let's face it, making 200p a day at a job that you have to stand all day is shitty in anybody's book.
her answer to me was that she just wasn't that type of girl and what would others think of her especially her board mates, who would instantly know. it sounds reasonable because she was always shy coming to my hotel room because she didn't want people to think that she was a hooker and didn't want to come up alone out of fear that security would stop her and accuse her of it. also she was very self-concious of stares that people gave us when we were out and about. all "working" girls i've met don't care.
domino, you are right about the roommates, she explained to me that there were different boarding houses for girls that were p2p, i would suspect a bit better than her place since she didn't have a/c. so i guess they congregate or pressure each other to work or work out of envy of the boardmate bringing in the big bucks.
at the same time guys, when i was in manila i picked up a freelancer at a bar, nice girl, was telling me that she did have a 9 to 5 job at a internet cafe and did this twice a week to supplement the income. her bf was sending her 20,000p a month and she worked. i was just thinking to myself is she must be spending that money on shabu cause she must be pulling in 25,000p then total and here she goes hooking just to make say an extra 2000p a week if she gets picked up, when she's raking in the cash already. who knows how many other suckers are also sending her money. even dropped by the internet cafe and saw her since it was at a major mall so she was legit.
while i'm at it, i'll tell you guys another girl i met, the day after the one above. she just turned 18 been "working" for 3 months. sold her virginity to a japanese guy for $1600 through ******* when she was 17. (i leave blank because i don't want to encourage any **** activities.) so this guys sends her 30,000p a month so that she won't "work". smart plan since he knows she's clean with no diseases but he didn't take into account her greed or need. so she tells me she does this 3 times a week to supplement her income. i pretty sure 30,000p a month is plenty to live on and i was grilling her about it. she says that she has to send money home every month because her dad can't work anymore, a sob story but don't know if it's true. also told me that how she ended up in manila from her province was that a lady came looking for virgins to work at ********* she would still be working there but the cops came and busted her and she got kicked out for being **** at the time.
that's why i'm skeptical myself after hearing these things in person. i did leave the girl in cebu my 3315 so she wouldn't have to use her beat up phone. if she doesn't get greedy and ask me for a color cell by her birthday in december, i'll get her a nice color phone since i know too that cell phones are the status symbol of the pi.
mook
Too depressing Mook. Treat her well, no fancy phones or expectations. Now I am off to SA in Thailand for, hopefully my last post for a looong time.
Some poor girls don't hook. It is interesting in Thailand to observe the cashier/receptionist as one walks a skank in.
bye bye.
I've never been to the Phillipines, but am getting involved with a Phillipina here in the states who has been here a little over a year.
She's a educated professional (not pro working girl) so perhaps a little different. She has kids and is on a tight budget, yet she does contribute.
The biggest thing that I'm still not sure where I stand on is her busy social schedule. 'auntie' this is here, lets visit, so and so wants us to, always somebody for a lady who hasn't been here long.
But she works hard, likes to fool around and even enjoys going out for drinks, so far so good.
Good thread, I enjoy reading the different comparisons.
Migrant
I give up - what does p2p refer too?
Sorry, I guess here the term P4P is used in the "Termes & Abbreviations" section. I'll use P4P from now on instead of P2P both have the same meaning though.
Sorry for all the sociology posts, just getting some things out there.
Mook
Maybe in this forum everybody are talking about girls from big city like Cebu, Manila or woring in A.C. where is more possible for a foreigner to meet a p4p girl.
It can be different in some others places like a small city or island?
I ask because my friend is married with a girl from Malapascua (north of Cebu) and he is happy until now. He paid for the engagement party, the marriage, one year waiting the wife obtain the Visa, for the "poor" famuly of the wife, but no more than a marriage in Europe.
What do you think???
I know the same problem in Thailand and you can look the "perfect manual of a thai girl" (translate thai-english = "how to get money from several stupids foreigners")
Here's a suggestion on how to be generous with a Filipina and not get abused as a result. Do not offer things that she is not accustomed to without any controls. For example, do not offer school money without seeing her school card on a regular basis or have her write you of her progress or possibly get copies of receipts. Believe me, anybody who is given the opportunity to receive free money would not know the difference between $500 and $1,000. In other words, when you offer a hand it is likely that she will ask for your arm; unless, an offer actually means some work on her part or something that insinuates that money is not that easy.
Hank Stram and Frequent Flier:
Hank: It's a fair question. By "middle class" I mean girls who have been to university and completed their degrees, are working in "regular" jobs, for the most part in offices, do not frequently the tawdrier places, though may go to Venue on ladies night, and appear to come from families who at least had the means to send them through school. These girls, perhaps because of the higher educations they have received, or perhaps just because they are frequently accessing the world wide web, seem to have caught a glimpse of "the good life," and have decided that they cannot acquire it on their own, nor can they hope to achieve it with Filipino boyfriends.
From what I can gather, quality of life for them, is synonomous with high fashsion, fancy electronics, good jewelry, and the fun things that money can by. Middle class, in the context of the Philippines, means having enough to get buy. It does not imply the ability to afford any luxuries.
Frequent Flier: I am not denigrating the girls who are doing this. They're doing what they think they need to do before settling for a much less glamorous life. I am also not dissing the guys who do this, but I must admit that it's something I simply do not understand. If these guys are so hungry for love, or to go on a quixotic quest to save the poor and downtrodden, they should invest in a trip here and at least meet the ladies to whom they're getting "engaged."
Most of the girls, or at least the ones to whom I've spoken, know that the talk about love and marriage is boola boola (bullshit) but they will happily take the money and do what they can to sustain the fantasies of the guys on the other end. I asked one of these girls a couple of days ago, what she would do if one of the guys ever showed up. She responded quite honestly I think, by saying: "I have no idea." And when I asked whether, as the guy would expect,she would hop right into bed with him, she said she did not think so because she wouldn't even know him! I guess the lives most of these guys lead, whether in the States, Europe or Australia, is pretty limited and emotionally barren, and maybe this type of thinking is what gets them through the night.
GE,
Your points are well taken but some people don't want to listen. Also lets be realistic here for a lot of guys I've seen in the philippines, they are not the most desireable guys by woman in terms of looks and personality, forget about wealth.
I met a guy in the PI that was over 40, never married, personalility of a door knob, I can see why he says he only gets laid when he takes a overseas trip or at local massage parlors. Sure there are guys who can get woman from home but choose to find someone overseas but the majority I've met especially in Angeles more so than other places.
I usually travel alone so I randomly chat up other guys when I'm in the PI. Sometimes the stories I hear about their lives and how they live is more depressing than what some the girls go through. Their lives are limited and emotionally barren like you said.
I'm not complaining much though because to tell you the truth, if I didn't have my girlfriend, who I met during college in the US, I might turn out the same way eventually. haha.. Not being able to sustain a normal relationship as equal partners and having to have leverage such as money to keep a girl.
Harsh, on my part but never the less true.
Mook
Mook:
I know exactly the genre of guys you mean and have met several here. However, it's one thing to pay for decent sex. It's another to send money into the ether for some chick you've never met and, for all one knows, whose picture you've never really seen. I can understand being ugly, having the personality of a turnip and the brains to go with it, being frightened of commitment, and still being horny enough the pay for it. Fine. I just cannot understand the internet-based relationships, and I know, being a Sociologist, I should not be judgmental, but the whole practice bothers me.
I am well on the far side of fifty, out of shape, and hardly the answer to a young girl's fantasies. Yet, I have no problems here getting laid and not paying for it most of the time. I figure if I can do this, so can most guys. If the internet relationship fellows would save up for a few months, retaining the money that they're sending over here, they could easily afford a trip, so financial constraints should not be a major issue. It's all a great mystery to me. Maybe I could write a best seller about it.
I had a 2 week trip so I have a lot of things to write about the PI so let me get started.
Since GE is talking about guys who meet girls on the internet and send them money sight unseen, I'll start on internet girls.
So 2 months before my trip I started going to all the usual personals websites. I signed up, even paid for a months membership in the hopes that I would meet a nice girl to show me around and get some for free, isn't that what every guy practically goes to the sites for?
So I contacted 10 girls total that I kept in reasonable contact with throught out the 2 months. Chatting on yahoo and a couple of emails here and there.
Got pictures from all of them and they were cute or decent at the least.
So I ended up meeting all of them throughout the week, may I just attest that I will go kill the inventor of Photoshop because it makes an ugly girl into a pretty one in pictures.
I swear, 8 out of the 10 were nothing like their pictures. I mean nothing. If I had to go by the pictures I would never be able to pick them out of a line up.
For example, this one girl I met, in her pictures she has a nice complextion and clear skin, I meet her in person, she has the most acne I've seen in my life with tons of foundation on to hide it. All the girls I've met that had good pictures of nice skin and a cute face were photoshoped.
So you fellas that haven't met the girl yet and only seen pictures you're not going to get what you expected.
I even saw one girl on webcam and still she looked different in person.
The two girls that ended up being the cutest were the ones with not so good pictures because they didn't touch them up.
So what's the rule, if they look like a model or cute in the pictures, they are ugly in real life. If they look just okay in the pictures, they might turn out to be a knock out. :)
Mook
Mook,
So which personals sites had the the worst offenders?
If we've got any decent graphics guys here, that would be a good utility to write - detect the amount of tampering in a photo.
GE,
You sell yourself short.
You know that rap is definitely a worldwide talent. Even in the good ole USA, if you got some rap you can sometime pull a stripper out of a club.
You seem to have good rap and treat the girls with respect.
Treating girls with respect is something that is hard to fake and the girls, regardless of their background, can pick up on this quickly. I would say you have a genuine affection where others may not, so even though these guys may have an edge on you and I in age or physical prowess, the girls would much rather spend time with someone who will treat them with some respect.
As a co workeer of mine once said, if you lose your rap, it's time to buy that ring.
FF
Mook:
Thanks for the post. You confirmed what I suspected but could not prove. It's probably better just to hang around the local internet cafes for a while. At least that way, you can spot the good looking (pre photo) chicks while they're surfing for husbands, boyfriends, supporters or whatevers.
FF:
Thanks. Maybe I developed the rap to compensate for other shortcomings, like advancing years, a serious fondness for good wine and a general avoidance of exercise. I learned last night though that too much of a good thing be it women or food, can be debilitating.
The woman I pulled out of Gallera is, by a long shot, the best looking woman that I've been with here. We spent a truly exhausting night in my bed last night, and I'm happy to be alone this evening. I had to lie to keep her away tonight, and now she says she loves me. This girl is 22 with a body to die for, an adorable, Spanish face and an appetite for sex that's greater than mine, and mine is pretty gluttonous. The problem is that she is now going to try to move in, move everyone else out, and go on permanent status. This is the last think I want.
I went after her in the first place because she is (a) so gorgeous and because (b) I was told she never goes with customers. Getting with her became a challenge. I am starting to think that it's better to P4P, with no expectations of anything but sex and no obligations. My friend the Slayer is having similar problems. His woman in Cebu is simply outstanding, and, from what he tells me, is also voracious. She apparently though wants to be not only his number one, but his only one and just will not let him breathe.
The Slayer can speak for himself, but at my age, this kind of clinging possessiveness is the last thing I need or want. I know I sound like a spoiled kid in a candy store who'se eaten too much chocolat. Maybe I'll just hide for a few days until my attitude changes and/or I get horny again.
GE
Hey GE,
You got that one right.
I can only quote, as I have done may times in the past on WSG, Charlie Sheen. The famous actor who was implicated in a Hollywood escort service that was busted some years ago.
When Jay Leno asked Charlie why he would pay for sex. Charlie responded. "Jay, I don't pay for sex, I pay for them to leave after sex."
It is good to keep this in mind when getting that free lay I read many guys posting about. I always give the girl money.
I even picked up a honey in Greenbelt in Makati during my last trip. She didn't ask for a thing, but I gave her $2,000.00 peso any way. Once the money changes hands they understand.
I even had a semi regular in Hong Kong who used to get pissed off becasue everytime we screwed I would give her money when she left. She would say I was treating her like a fucking girl. But, she always took the money and in the end I didn't have to worry.
FF
I'm going to start moving away from the internet dating sites after my last experience. Your're right that it will be better meeting the girls at the internet cafe emailing and chatting with their overseas bf's.
I found that Netopia had the most girls such as the one in Ayala Cebu because there is no minimum such as 30p for 30min minimum, Netopia doesn't have a minimum so a girl can use a computer real quick for 5p.
It's so hard to tell if a photo has been fixed but the best give away is if the girls face is clear and clean, no blemishes at all, if she's between the ages of 18 and 25 she has acne. Sounds gay but I use Shieshedo face wash, I was taking a shower with a girl on my last trip and I asked her what she used on her face, she told me she just used plain soap. Figures since Sheishedo or other face washes cost money and soap does not help with acne much.
For now I'm done with P4P girls, it's too easy meeting regular girls. Sure it's more of a headache but it's been a while since I've been in the GAME. And I have plenty of free time on my hands when I go there.
Attached is a photo of one of the girls that I met through lavalife I think, anyway, in the picture she decent, not a knock out but decent so I met her at the Starbucks at Ayala in Cebu. This girl has so much acne and the amount of foundation she had on could not hide it much at all. In the picture she looks so different than real life. When you look at her in the picture she has a natural beauty, nothing that says wow but she's cute enough. Let me tell you that either the picture is old, touchec up or someone else. Next time as an experiment for here I'll post before and after pictures so that you guys can get an idea.
I'm usually not that mean, I swear, even if I a girl I meet in not very attactive and she totally false advertised, I still have a coffee or a meal with her, chat her up and then make an excuse to get away. And I always give the girl about 200p so she can take a taxi home and for her troubles. But this one I had to ditch instantly, I said there was an emergency, handed her a 100p for a ride home and said to call me later. I'm not going to do that again since it's messed up but I sent her a real non-touched up picture and she should of done the same instead of wasting both our times.
For myself, it's harder to meet regular girls. I'm Asian so I don't stick out as much and the girls don't know that I speak English perfectly so it's harder for me. When I sit at a cafe, I get approached less than someone who is white because I'm not a obvious monger or I don't look like I'm an American. But once I make eye contact and start a conversation, most times it works out. I'm in my late 20's so I'm within the same age as the girls so we have things to talk about for the most part.
I did meet a couple of Japanese and Korean girls in cebu, didn't know there were so many there. It helps that I can speak their language but apparently there is a korean school that teaches english there so college age korean girls come to cebu and even davao to study their english.
Mook
This is a very interesting story that I think everyone should read.
http://www.michaelbeard.com/PageOneNew.html
Hey Everyone,
I went to the PI for the first time last month, and had a great time. Not only in Angels, but manila as well. Thanks for all the help with everyones directions, it was very easy after reading where to go and what to do. Next question I have is that I heard from a military guy that there i a lockdown on the PI this month, is that true. Or is it just for the miltary. I am going again this month, and want to make sure I can get in when I arrive. Getting info in Iraq isnt as easy as you all think, everything is heresay, so I would hate to show up and be turned around.
Thanks again.
Here is a pic from my last trip.
Texas Joe:
The rumors you're hearing are baseless. There's no restriction of any kind, at least for us civilians, and the place and the places are still wide open.
Tiantain,
Holy *&^%#...What a horrible ordeal that guy Mike went through. I am suddenly feeling real skiddish.
Hank
Trim, the sad part is that I did use a web cam like I mentioned in my story. She still looked different. If I think back, the room she was in was kinda dark but still web cams are still low light not very crisp.
Mook
the micheal beard story has been around for a long time. many say it's bs, some say it's real.
from what i heard, that girl was **** and supposedly he was a ****, so what ever happened to him he deserved it. the girl was 14 when he met her and even if she did work at a club it's still no excuse. many say the **** got what he deserved.
mook
Even though I figured it was BS/Fiction or, as said here already, a one sided view of what really happened.
Based on what I have read about the Philippines at time if your not careful. It is more likly that they would have offered him a plea bargin. Maybe one or two thousand US dollars that would go to the family to drop the case.
I have read about this before on other boards. I kept waiting for that to come up in his report. Also, he speaks many times of losing his entire wealth, yet he is always leaving on a trip around the Philippines while the trial is being dismissed.
Have to admit that pictures give it some credibility, but who really knows where the pictures are from.
FF
I just read about half of the story and got bored at that point. If the story is true, then this guy is the most stupid and naive son of a ***** ever to come here. To me, the tale is pretty believeable, and is practically a metaphor for a certain aspect of the local culture here. Alternatively, by taking advantage of the voracious greed of most people, he could probably have bought his way out of trouble at any time. Had the girl's family had any brains, they would have encouraged her to move to the States and then to bleed this guy for all he was worth.
The moral of this story for us expats, who run the risks every day, is probably that if it seems too good to be true, it isn't true and the instant a girl's family starts to get involved, you get out. Of course, I never did hear of any place that had a PhP5,000 bar fine, or of anyone who would be stupid enough to pay it even if asked. They must have seen this guy coming from miles and miles away.
The most appalling part of this story, if true, is not what happened to this guy, who at 41 years of age should have had a modicum of sense. It's about a society, a judicial system and above all, a family that would so callously exploit a child. The family is guilty of child abuse.
Read this whole Michael beard story. Emphasis on "story". All I can say is that this guy is definitely not "the full shilling". If true it sounds to me like a guy desperately trying to show his own side to condone the mess he has got himself into. Totally agree with GoodEnough's comments but still cant make up my mind if this story is BS or what!! Pretty girl tho :) never saw her when i was in Athena.
The Flying Scotsman
I ask a while back, what would an 18 year old want with a 46 year old. ( me ) I found out when each of the three ladies ask for money. The highest was eight hundred a month to a low of four hundred a month, u s dollars. All three of these ladies said they loved me very much. i was not opposed to sending them some money, but not anywere near what they were asking for.
How much would be a fair amount to send a lady each month. Assume you were planning to go there in a couple of months a maybe marry if everthing worked out ok.
I don't like to pass judgment on the other fellow but it should have been clear the kind of people he was dealing with when he had to make so many financial commitments before they would agree to the marrage.
True or not it should remind us all to think with our big head and not our little head. And listen to our innervoice we all have.
As in any country there are lots of people out there willing to take your money if you are not carefull.
I am still out there looking and will not allow a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
Slickery
For those of you that have used the online meeting / dating / marraige / freind Web sites to find woman in the PH that are "good to go" without an extended courting ritual, which sites do you prefer.
I've been using filipina heart, and there are certainly a large number of woman on this. I just wonder whether 95% of these filipinas are just looking for a long term relationship which is not what I want.
What about Freindfinder? If it's very name implies something not too serious like marriage or relationship, is it more fertile hunting ground?
WL
Flying Scotsman:
Where is Athena? In all the times I have been to Manila, I've never heard of it, and I'm sure I've never seen it. Is it a typical EDSA/Burgos-type bar, or something different?
I don't know if the story is true either, except that all the detals he provided make me think that it could be. If the story is true, I hope the US State Department reads it and begins to require an intelligence test prior to the issuance of passports. No one this stupid should be allowed out of his house, let alone the country.
Slickery - A fair amount would be zero. Before you start considering sending money, you better make sure you're the only one sending it (doubtful) and that the girls "love" is real (doubtful) and that she's not simultaneously making the same requests of several other guys (highly probable). save your money and use it for plane tickets.
GE
Slickery,
Not only are you wasting money you could put to use funding a trip to the Philippines, but if you send these girls any amount of money the amount that you send will become inadequate almost imediately for the hospital bills for the sick relatives or a host of other excuses.
They will continue to try to get more and more from you. If you do visit they will have the whole family waiting for you to give them late Christmas presents (money) unless of course you actually visit during Christmas.
Save your money for yourself or give to a honest charity. It is not that some of these girls and their families couldn't use the extra money. It is what they actually do with the money you send them.
Where did you meet these girls?
FF
“How much would be a fair amount to send…”
There are thousands of guys who will nod their heads in agreement with Goodenough’s suggested amount. And probably most of them have had ulcers watching guys go and do it anyway in spite of much sound advice illustrated with many colorful examples drawn from experience, so I won’t even try proclaim what someone else “should” do, even though I like GE’s math. But just in case it has any slight interest for Slickery and others similarly situated, here are Wastrel’s Rules for Filipina correspondents, not as a prescription, just to report what has worked out best for me.
Wastrel’s Rules:
1. If she has never, ever, not once even hinted at anything financial after months of fascinating correspondence, she may receive a once per anum gift of up to 5,000php max. for her and her family for the holidays;
2. If she has very tactfully and indirectly hinted at an unmet financial need for some heart wrenching purpose, she gets nothing, not even a direct reply, and definitely not an explanation, but she may or may not be permitted to continue communication with Wastrel depending on how interesting/entertaining Wastrel finds her correspondence, and whether she insults Wastrel by trying it again;
3. If she asks for money, she gets a jar of strawberry jam, because she is toast.
Good luck.
GoodEnough,
Athena is on Roxas in Pasay City.
If memory serves, it's next to another similar place called Miss Brunette. It's an overpriced place, cover charge of 800 pesos and barfines of 5,000 - 10,000 depending on what you negotiate with mama. The girl's fee is included in the barfine.
Not bad girls there, but you can do the same or better for less money.
Slickery,
A fair amount for those girls who say they love you and want you to send money would be a kick up the arse and out the door when you finally catch up with those thieving mercenary cows.
GE is right save your money for a ticket and then pay them for a bang and a BJ if they're hot and then show them the door and move on to the next one and the next and the next one and the next one etc.
GoodEnough,
I've read and enjoyed and learned from many of your posts.
Your comment:
"If the story is true, I hope the US State Department reads it and begins to require an intelligence test prior to the issuance of passports. No one this stupid should be allowed out of his house, let alone the country".
That just cracked me up. Next time I'm in the PI, I definitely hope I get a chance to meet you and buy you a drink.
CS
I met them on filipina heart. I reported them to the site and their profiles are gone but I am sure they will be back with another profile. I think I will take all the great advice I have been given and save my money for when I go there. If I find the girl to be to my likeing i will buy her gifts at that time.
Thanks again for the advice
Slickery
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Spitfire:
Thanks for responding with the location so quickly. I never knew there were places with bar fines so steep. It sounds like a good place to miss, so I will not go there.
My appologies if this has been asked before. There is no working seach feature on the site.
Can you buy GOOD or VERY GOOD (maybe American or Japanese) condoms in the PH? In Cebu? Especially the ultra thin or slippery slidy kind ?I'll be there for a very long time and can't get away with stuffing my whole suitcase full before I leave.
Thanks!
WL
The best condoms in the PI is made in Japan. The brand is OKAMOTO, just tell the drugstore you want the Point-Oh-Two (0.02mm) condom. it is the thinnest but really strong. However if you are caucasian, you might complain it is too tight for you.
I looked at this,
http: //www. michaelbeard. com/PageOneNew. html,
The one pic of him and the girl clearly shows that she is very young, and of questionable age, in his story it had about ten red flags: first was the families quick agreement to money, second was where there were at, third was the high price of the bar fine, ect ect and ect, and lastly to actualy see the grandmother beating her, which was probably because the grandmother was not getting any money and the girl was not hustling enough money from the guy.
After all of the above and having a cooling off period, then finding her back at the bar again. (Run! Forest, Run! )
I would have run home, but he went back to the barungay captain (most of these guys are crooks) and when he asked for the motorcycle and gave the guy a chance to leave? (Run! Forest, Run! )
I haven't always done the best for myself but I have not ever been this stupid.
I do know the majority of the poorer asian countries sell daughters into prostitution, its part of the culture thats happened for thousands of years, even in Japan daughters are sold.
I do think that was part of my exwife problem that she would not or could not admit too was that she had been sold by her family wether that was by her mother who is dead or her father who is still around is unknown. I would be willing to bet that allot of these girls are tweaked in the head, especially when the are from the poorer families.
My exwife used to comment 'My father never showed us his love'.
Columpuss,
Ref. the discussion in the photo thread. Everyone is different. You know best what makes you happy and what you want out of life, not me or other WSG members so you are going to have to decide yourself if you want to get married. My personal feeling is one should only seriously consider getting married if he is madly in lust with the girl (this won't last forever). Aside from lust they truly enjoy each others company, share like values and have good temperment, and they both want to raise a family. When people marry they are all pretty confident that their marriage will last forever; however about half don't. If you ever do decide to get married be sure to get a legal pre-nuptial agreement and keep it in a safe place. Good luck.
My advice to Columpuss,
If your looking for a wife try to stick by these guidelines:
If your worried that a girl will take you for your money, when dating her, spend nothing on her as if you had nothing. Then if she still is interested in you then she is in it for the money.
NEVER MARRY A CLUB GIRL. I can't express this enough, case in point, friend of mine married a girl that used to work in a club as a dancer, they got married and came to the states. She is for the most part a good person but she reverted back to being a stripper. This upsets him because she was going to school, working a normal job and just quit because its not the kinda life she is used too. Needless to say they are technically still married but she told him to find a girlfriend and shut her legs to him. Thats just one example, I have plenty.
If your determined to marry a foreign national, like I did, go for a girl that is not used to city life, of maybe a student(be careful with them too)Maybe even a slightly older woman or a girl that has a job like a hairstylist or teacher(something legit). The benefits of marriage varies, one benefit that I find to be the best is having children. But like Vchip said, only you can decide what it is you would like to do. This is just some suggestions, things i went by in choosing my wife. Ive been married for four years and have to kids, I dated my wife for about a year and a half before we decided to get married, I met her through a coworkers wife. Things have pretty much been great over the four years and ofcourse we have fights, everyone does, but other than that, its been great. But I still monger,LOL.
Rev333
My Advice:
As an alternative to getting married to a Filipina, consider buying a dog instead. The dog will be cheaper, more faithful, honest at all times, and will love you unconditionally. It will not be sending your money back to a range of others from the litter, will not be randomly fucking another dog who comes along with a convincing story, and will not be constantly moaning that it's been months since you bought her a new collar. Also, it's likely that the dog will have better manners and be less vicious.
I have made this point before, but it cannot be restated too many times. Unless you can find a Filipina from the upper 1% stratum of society here: one who is directly descended from the Spanish, has had an excellent education, and who grew up with real money, forget it. For the most part, the quality of university education here is not even equivalent to education at good high schools in the US or Europe, and the level of intellectual processing is between small and non existent. Even teachers here go through the equivalent of a mediocre two year community college in the US.
Unless you want a life partner who believes that soap operas are the highest esthetic attainment of human kind, and that magazines with lots of pictures are the avatars of great literature, stick with the dog.
GE
GE,
If that is how you see things maybe you'll never get married to a Filipina. You really don't have to anyways. %1 of the economic ladder?! That is certainly pushing it. Even if the odds are against me, I wouldn't consider a dog as an option anyways.
MasterBlaster
GoodEnough,
I have always thought your reports have been helpful and well balanced. Your last report on this page was, to say the least, narrow-minded and extremely ignorant and unhelpful. Was it tongue in cheek? Did I misread it? Ive been married to a Filipina for 25 years and have a great family in the Philippines who, although poor initially we have helped and built up a succesful business with them. They never asked for a penny but as a member of the family I felt obliged to do what I could. Am I the only one who has experienced this ? I doubt it. There are good and bad in every culture and I agree that the type of girls that most guys on this board will meet could well be as you describe. Hopefully anyone looking for a long term relationship will have the sense to look further than the bars and clubs we use in our leisure time.
FS
Thanks guys for the inputs
Maybe it's me but I haven't seen a happy married guy throughout my life and certainly not in my family or relatives'. Everything is picture perfect for the first few years and after that, the wife nagging, and the kids disrepecting. I guess marriage is a woman's thing, we usually get trapped. I think deep inside, we are dogs. We love to sniff, fuck then move on to the next. I've made up my mind. Love ya'll
Flying Scotsman,
Good E thoughts are not narrow minded at all those filipinas are terrible, I will be stupid to say all are bad but a good piece are. I met a girl who insisted on not using a condom a non bar girl I stayed with her for a while and I had known her for about 3 months before we got in bed at any rate I wanted to use a condom but she kept whining about it even when I told her its not safe so I gave in like dummy believing she was this sweet special little angel oh gullible me I knew all she wanted was a damn kid anyway the LBFM gave me chlamydia then told me after I informed her of this that if I didn’t marry her I can’t return to the Philippines(Vicious just like Good E described) cause while there she saw and I realized how popular foreign man are to those girls and I am 22 and in good health. Anyway go there have fun and leave, yeah there are good woman there just like also in my home country of America but tell me is it worth all the searching to find them?
Flying Scotsman:
I apologize if you thought that I was denigrating the relationships that work and I certainly meant no disrespect to you. My post was, to be sure, highly exaggerated if not totally tongue in cheek. It's true, as others have said, that many marriages, even those between two culturally compatible people, end in failure. However, it's been my observation that the odds against truly successful relationships are even greater here, and the reasons, as I've stated, are social, economic and cultural.
Most, though not all, of the relationships that I've observed here are pretty weak, and the expat husbands in particular, begin to "wander" after a year or two. Many, if not most, find that they've undertaken financial obligations that they have not anticipated and many, if not most, find that they have absolutely nothing in common with their (mostly much younger) spouses.
Maybe I have just been running with the wrong crowd, or maybe I've become too jaundiced by what I have seen here. Having said that, I also know that hope springs eternal. I'm involved in a relationship right now that I hope will continue, mature and result in satisfaction for both of us. So far, it's been terrific, but these are still early days. We've known each other a long time, had an on and off sort of relationship, but somehow could never quite let go of each other. This time, I guess we've decided to really put our feelings to the test.
Perhaps it just all boils down to what each of us wants from a relationship. and the range of expectations and hopes in that regard is probably very broad indeed.
GE
Why would a guy want to marry a "club gal" anyway!? Is he pussy whiped? Gives him a knob job and the idiots in heaven!
You can take the gal from the club but you can take the club from the gal. They will always go back. And then you are left broken hearted and just broke.
Hi Guys
I have weighed in a couple of times on discussions here in this column. At times I have addressed some of what I thought were over "generalizations" or characterizations of some girls. Anyway - am still involved with a girl. Just to refresh you - shes 34 has 4 kids, separated, middle class, never worked in a bar and never was with another man other then her husband until me. I met this girl through her younger sister who is a very committed Christian girl.
Here is the deal:
She does not want to be with her husband for several reasons:
1. He does not work and does not provide for the family
2. he is an alcoholic and takes drugs - she fears for herself when he is in that state
3. He has abused her
4. He refuses to live with her cause she lives in a small house built behind her parents.
In spite of this she claims she still loves him. Though she would rather be with me. He occasionally comes into the house and wakes her up to have sex with her. She usually fights him off but has consented a couple of times in the past few months.
Here is where I want the opinion of some of u experienced men with filipina wives out there. I am guessing that she continues to consent out of a sense of obligation and maybe even fear. She does not want to tip him off that she is involved with anyone out of fear of what he may do - possibly to her.
Do you guys think she is being 100 percent authentic with me - or is she stringing me along also. Remember - she has never asked me for money. She is always very considerate and concerned for me as a person. She is educated and employed.
Does she have some other long term agenda for which she is setting me up toward. I am her ticket - for some other long term goal. What do u think?
hank
GoodEnough, As I said, I enjoy your reports and I think I know that your report was slightly tongue in cheek. Its difficult and wrong to generalise about any nationality and I know that Philippines has its share of the type of girls you talk about. No problem, keep up the great reports that you make. Hope we can have a beer sometime.
Scuba, love your comment "you can take the gal out of the club but you cant take the club outa the gal" :)
Wil Kil. As you said your 22 years old. Say no more.
Guys, the Phillipines is a third world country. The girls are beautiful and thats why we are all here using and taking advantage. Lets not beat around the bush. Enjoy and treat them with respect and you will have a great time. If you do get involved in a long term relationship then you need to accept that there are wide cultural differences which do cause problems. I was lucky enough to meet a traditional Filipina who is a great cook, wonderful mother to three great kids and at 50 is still fantastic in bed and most of all puts up with me!!
Happy Mongering
Flying Scotsman
I think she is 100% telling you the truth, beware of the husband though, especially if he is a junky.
Rev333
The truth is most filipina women are really submissive. Most of the have low self esteem, specially highly educated filipina women. Most of them will be lying about thier relationship just to avoid embarrasement from friends and family. This works very well if you are married to her and have kids. Unless she is a bar girl.
I would say when you have establish some connection with her, you can cheat on her, then she will resent you later, then they will beg to take them back.
If I were you and have feelings with her then stay, otherwise have sex with her and move on to the next girl when you are tired with the relationship.
So, the husbands gets to have sex with your woman and you pick up the pieces. Filipinas feel that it is there obligation of the wife to satify the husband.
I may sound insensitive, but I lived this first hand.
Flying Scotsman:
Sure. I would love to share a beer sometime. Of course, you are correct in your statements about the culture here.
I think that for younger Filipinas, sex is just the currency used for negotiating a relationship. They do not seem to attach as much significance to it as it typical of relationships and expectations in the West. I'm not speaking here of bar girls selling sex, or of "traditional" Filipinas (whose number is diminishing) but of the perception of sex among the younger generation of Filipinas. That is, sex is neither a big deal, nor an indication of everlasting love; rather, it's a way of solidifying a relationship, of imprinting the "girlfriend" label on themselves, and of staking out their territory.
My perceptions of the nature of relationships here is evolving, and based on my own experiences and those of my friends. I may be wrong, of course, but this is what makes sense to me at the moment.
I agree with Flying Scotsman. You must remember that the Philippines is a third world country and there are girls there who would do anything to get you to marry them. Believe me I know! I carried out a long distance relationships from my own country for about 9 months.
I had split up with my filipna girlfriend (who is now my wife) and a so called friend set me up with his niece. The girl is a personal secetary to a well thought of chartered accountant. She earned good money but as soon as i arrived in Manila she thought the wedding bells were ringing and ringing loud. I kick that subject in to touch straight away but every now it was brought up but when I said no, she threw the toys out of the pram and stormed off.
This girl was a well educated and well paid but all she wanted was to move out of Manila and move overseas and she saw me as her ticket to a better life. I did not give in to the pressure that she and her family put me under. During the relationship, If I did not phone her or write to her she was texting me non stop until I phoned. When did phone all I got was a grilling of what I was doing, where I had went and who with.
When I finished with this girl she constantly text me saying that she was going to kill herself, tell her family that I made her do things (sexual and non sexual) she did not want to do and she also, threatened to have me arrested if I ever came back to Manila (I'll soon find out when I arrive in Manila in December). When I left her she was stilling a virgin and still is no doubt.
So guys, remember not all the girls are like the one that I escaped from.
Timber Tree:
It's true, as you say, that many Filipinas suffer from low self esteem. They perceive themselves as "low" or sometimes "small" while they perceive expats as "big" or "high." These perceptions are highly correlated with money and the type of job you hold. It's why so many Filipinos will invariably address you as "sir" whenever they see you. It's a comment on the difference between your socioencomic status, as they perceive it, and theirs.
The other factor is, of course, that Filipinas do not, in my opinion, attach quite the same significance to sex as we do. If the lady has to give up sex to cope with the relationship with the husband, then she does it; not through a sense of obligation but because it's just easier that way.
The typical survival mode of a typical Filipina seems to be to do whatever it takes to get her through the day. Their lives are marked by an absence, for the most part, of longer-range planning and/or gratification and a fairly low level of positive expectations. This is not a criticism of their way of life. As I said, it's a survival strategy. This is probably why a little kindness on our part pays such enormous dividends.
GE
Hank,
I am not a foreigner and for that I think I know the mentality of the woman you described. This is just an opinion. Take it or leave it.
A woman like that has an identity crisis and she cannot really make a firm decision as to what she really would like to do in life. There are several reasons as to how she could be pulled back and forth between the two sides of the fence. She cannot weigh her priorities right since her identity is fashioned by what religion, family, the public, cultural values and herself tell her. Here religion tells her to keep her marriage, the public tells her to leave her husband, her family tells her to keep the marriage just to uphold the dignity of the family, cultural values tells her to never loose hope and she tells herself that she needs happiness. Mostly women like this have really low self-esteem. As Westerners, you could not comprehend the possibility of a woman staying with her husband even when the husband is sadistically abusive, but, sadly it is not really a rare case in the Philippines. Filipinas are inherently fatalistic. They would hang on to their value system even if it means the end of their happiness, and, hope is always in sight even if the odds are against it. You really don't have the slightest idea what kind of hold all these forces have on her. The husband knows for sure her weakness and this is how he maintains a hold on her.
I suggest you keep out of the relationship coz you are really just a small part of her struggle. Usually, people who think they could make a difference actually get sucked in to the struggle. The only way you can really be sure about her is if she showed strength against all these forces I mentioned. That would really be a tough job for you to even see this, especially, if you don't understand the cultural norms of the Filipinos.
One more thing, if a Filipina is still married to her abusive Filipino husband, beware as the husband would certainly have the tendency to maim or murder especially if you are caught with his wife - it will definitely cost you an arm or a leg and possibly your life; it doesn't matter if the husband is educated or not. Remember, Filipinos are fatalistic - they would uphold their value system, even if misplaced, to the death. Do not take this lightly.
Like I said, take it or leave it. You can ask the other folks here if these statements are incorrect.
MasterBlaster
Flying Scotsman,
Cut it out. Yeah I am 22, but I have been all over the world and have never met anyone like those filipinas they can be a happy angel one minute then a tornado of rage in a flash.
Castle,
Please be careful. You guys in this Forum are like my brothers so watch out. If she plans to get you she might just do that. Yeah we may think the Phils is fun and games but I know plenty of Filipinos who I have served in the US Army with and they have told me horror stories from that place. If you read the Sun Star you know what I am talking about.
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The most well-respected polling organization here is called the Social Weather Station (SWS). Recently SWS published a national poll which indicated that approximately 70% of the population of the Philippines would emigrate if given the opportunity. By any account, this is a shockingly high percentage. This is not because Filipinos don't love their country, but because there's so little opportunity created by the economy, and so little hope of any improvement, that any expectations of a rosier economic future are, for most people, futile.
This explains, I think why so many Filipinas will spring at any chance, no matter how slim, to marry a foreigner and to get out, even if the future they face is unknown and unclear.
The concepts of love, attraction, fidelity, and happiness are tied, albeit more strongly in some than in others, to the notion of getting to North America or Europe, which, for Filipinos, take on an almost mysical attraction. While it's true that, to a certain extent, the same phenomonon exists in several countries in SE Asia, nowhere is it as strong and as pervasive as here. I've seen the same set of circumstances in Africa, but there, the IT infrastructure is not as well developed, which means that the number of Africans able to communicate frequently with foreigners is still relatively small, and the opportunity to "troll" for prospective foereign mates is more limited.
There are several agencies here specializing in the placement of Filipinas in various foreign locations, from the Middle East (as domestic workers) to Japan (nightclub entertainers, GROs) to the US and Europe (health care professionals) and most of them have extensive waiting lists.Most such agencies charge a substantial fee for helping these ladies find jobs, and they scrimp and save to accumulate enough money to get their chance. I have lost count of the number of "normal" and reasonably well-educated Filippinas asking if I could help them get jobs as maids to foreigners who live here.
It's thus economic necessity, and the thought of escaping to a "better" if somewhat undefined new life that provides the motivation for a huge percentage of the population here; particularly the women who can turn their looks, and the attraction of Western men for Asian women, to their economic advantage.
GE
I'm in the states and just started dating a filipina less than 4 moths ago. She has been here about a year and is a professional with kids and is about 4 years younger than me (47).
After a few dates it seemed she was making the wedding plans already, and is always extremely clingy. I've told her I'm in no hurry to marry again, she says fine, but the "we should live together", "Can't wait to get a ring" comments keep coming in.
She is pretty, sexy and many other things I like, but I'm just not ready to commit.
She makes decent money (but has 3 kids), I make decent money, but by no means rich. She pays for every third - fourth meal and is constantly buying me stuff, and bringing me food.
It seems even the ladies who are here want to desperatly marry!
(Yikes!)
migrant
I myself dated a filipina for 12 years before I was assigned to work here. I was given this image of a corrupt, dirty, no hope country and glad to be out of there country. So you can imagine my reluctance knowing I was about to be transfered. But after the first year, I got a better picture.
Yeah, there are a lot of filipinas willing to marry someone just to get out of their country. Who can blame them. The younger generations are bolder than the previous ones. They learn to use sex as an advantage to get someone to like and hopefully fall in love with them. The older generation girls are more willing to take the longer route of e-mailing and getting to know the person. both intentions are the same.
Many go to extreme lenghts and risk to work in other countries just to earn a few hundred dollars a month. That's why some girls turn tricks to either make some money for that placement fee or make big money without leaving the country by luring foreigners to spend their dollars or euros on them.
A few of these girls go all out to win our hearts hopping for that one chance to get a fiancee visa or wedding bells in the future. A couple of my regular girlfriends are doing that to me so that I could finally settle down with one of them. I'm getting old and the offer starts looking tempting each time. Mind you that two of the girls are career women and one a former dancer. Only time I seek other women is when I'm hornyand none of the girls are available.
A few thngs that worry me is they are quick to be jealous, 'clingy' and is probably more serious about the relationship than you are.
But if I can catch that rare gem, I ain't letting go.
Pals,
After 14 years travelling in the Philippines (16 years in S E Asia) I can say one thing: the situation has gotten worse, not better. Poverty is horrific and the government is beyond our concept of corruption. Getting a Filipina takes all of about 30 minutes on a chat site.
Having met and had relationships with more than 25 Filipinas (fucked over 100), I can accurately state a few things:
1) They lie with incredible frequency,
2) They play the "poverty card" to their ultimate advantage.
3) They always choose Family over You. I found this out on Leyte in early August (read my long Post in early August on Davao Borad).
4) Some will do almost anything to get out of the Philippines.
I have, however, NEVER seen a Filipina (even my daughter's mother) go into a rampage or commit acts of violence. This was common with THai women, including my former Thai wife. A Filipina who "loses it" due to jealousy or infidelity will act out her anger through deception and other effective means.
In August I had my e-mail invaded and ALL my contacts were sent separate e-mails saying I was in the Philippines looking for women to have sex with at the time. This was the source of some embarrassment for me, even with some of my lady f riends in China and my "china doll" in Toronto.
Dragon Slayer
Pals,
I do agreed with Dragon Slayer. To cut it short. They are opportunitiest. You give them 1 in. they want 1 feet. Never ends. they are great liers.
MB
Yo, Migrant,
Let me get this right. She's past 40, has a few kids, is new to the country and asking about a ring fairly soon into relationship?
This shit ain't the Brady Bunch, brother. Run like the wind!
Now here's the funny part. The kids may not necessarily be hers.
I casually dated a Filipina in California who had like four or five kids living with her. Only one was actually her kid. The others were nieces and nephews. Call me callous, but I wouldn't doubt if she got state support for each of them.
I know Filipinas can be fairly alluring, and maybe the accent gives an extra boost to your hard-on, but consider how you'd react if presented the same situation by an American woman.
Like the wind!
Malboy:
Are they any more opportunistic than we are? Seems to me that each of us wants what the other has. They want to get out of here to have a better life. They want and need money. We want the pleasure of being with a younger, attractive woman, and we want sex and we want the illusion that we're still attractive to women half our age. They're great liars? Sure. And so of course are we. What's the problem and what's the surprise?
It's easy I guess for us (and me included for sure) to get self righteous; to complain and moan about the perfidy of the Filipina. But let's be careful to temper that feeling with a dose of reality. We look for multiple partners, for whatever reason. They look for multiple partners in the hope that one of them will come through with a solid relationship and a visa. Who knows? Maybe they have their own board somewhere on which they complain and moan about us and our collective propensity for lack of commitment, seriousness, or whatever.
I just discussed this post with my girlfriend. She agrees that this is a reasonably accurate point of view. Let's just admit that this is a case of perpetual, and mutual misunderstanding.
GE
Pals,
The last trip is still too recent for me to Post completely. I can report on the "inside accounts" I have obtained from some of my "former ladies' in the Phils.
Mikster, are you listening? Merly is getting tutored by "One Of the Best" at Lies & Deception. Maribelle, her Big Sister. I learned after the "Infamous Dinner Meeting" she and my daughter's mother held in Cebu last august that Maribelle was "working me like a NYC construction project". She used the I am poor and helpless routine on me to extract tons of money over the past 4 1/2 years. Her timing is a bit off as her birthday and her daughter's are soon and I was always good for a lot then.
She bragged to baby slayer's mom how she goes "fishing" in the Malls on her days off searching for foreign men. She then jumped up and yelled out to a foreigner who walked in to show "how easy" it is. Miss Martinez then went on to relate how she gets "pocket cash" from these men she picks up. Know the word schmuck? Slayer here feels like a big, giant one.
This poor girl from Camotes then tells how she no longer needs the Slayer as she has a new benefactor (sucker) from the good old USofA who just deposited $ 500 into a savings account for her. SHe had asked me for $100 extra while dining with GE and myself in Cebu. Asked me privately for P90,000 as a "loan" to work overseas. I declined both requests. I am stupid but not that stupid.
What amazed me is how baby slayer's mom, whom I have been with for 11 years, laughed and joked about sex with me and got into a long discussion with martinez about how often I liked to fuck. Martinez said she would often get tired as I fucked too much. I mean this is the Mother of my Child talking with this fucking hustler about sex with me.
Enough for now. Sick to my stomach and in dire need of a few Sapporo beers now. Post more later when I rid my stomach of the foulness of this.
Anyone wanting Maribelle's nude phots/blowjob shots, etc feel free to PM me. She did not mind me taking them so I am certain she would want ALL to see them. Good for her "side business"
Dragon Slayer
Those who don't have the stomach to withstand what I'm about to suggest, please turn away!
With all this complains about Filipinas, I have a great idea. Let's forget them, and turn our attentions to, are you ready guys ? "American women" How about it guys? The sweet, submissive, gentle, loving, non-materialistic, thin, soft spoken, all American girls or "western girls". They don't want visa. They just want to love you. ha?
It's ok, run to the bathroom and let it all out. Do the comparison guys, which would you rather have?
Can we get back to normal discussion without the hates.
Thank you
Columpuss:
Amen to all that. Let's accept the situation for what it is, decide to take advantage of the positive aspects of the Philippines, limit our expectations to what's real, and have a good time. The fact is, that the Dragon Slayer has more individual experience here than the collective experience of most members. We can all learn from his recent travails, and use the knowledge gained to make sure that the same thing does not happen to us.
GE
GoodEnough,
Thanks!
Fellow mongers
Execuse me for being a smart ass there, just want to make my point. Personally, I met many Filipinas on my travels, both bar and regulars and became pen pals. Never once any of them asked for anything but just the acknowledgement that life is tough everywhere especially in third world countries. I only encourage them to hang on and they do the same to me. Sometimes I even became a little selfish and whine too much about my own problems and forgot that theirs are much worse.
I guess it's all about how you approach a girl. If you keep talking about your six figure income and your 5 bedroom mansion in "heaven" then she will respond differently. For me, I'm just another human being escaping the harshness of reality, yes even in the US of A, which many of them think that money grows on tree. They often don't think that we slave ourselves to save for a vacation. You'll be surprised how they will react if you tell them the truth. I met many good and decent girls that way.
GoodEnough posted some time ago that he is perplexed by the fact that many guys send money to a girl they have never met, rather than using it to fly over and meet the girl. He mentioned a woman who pursued relationships with several such men simultaneously, and never expected any of them to show up. I imagine it is probably true that they won’t show up because she is likely to say so based on past experience.
Furthermore, GoodEnough mentioned he knows several such girls, so this is not an isolated case. He suggested that anyone should be able to get laid without paying much in the Philippines. This last point makes me wonder how knowledgeable the average person who seeks relationships with Filipinas is on the type of information contained in this forum. Information on prostitution and traveling for sex is poorly advertised, so ignorance could be fairly widespread.
Of those interested in Filipinas, I wonder what percentage are primarily interested in marriage and what percentage are interested primarily in short-term sex. By asking the question in this way, I may be introducing a false assumption. It could be that the vast majority are only looking for a virtual experience. The most common medium of communication would probably be internet chat.
In the world of internet chat, those who communicate quickly, tactfully, frequently, and promiscuously have a very strong competitive advantage. A few can and will dominate the market, and pick and choose from what’s available. I have a friend who was routinely able to go into an American sex chatroom where the male to female ratio is on the order of 20 to 1, get the attention of the few females, and get one of them to agree to meet for sex. The best friend of my ex-wife was a 39 year old fat ugly American Filipina who posed as a beautiful young 20 year old and had her online boyfriends send her money. In some cases they flew across the country to meet her in person, at which point they’d either be so disgusted by the deception that they’d end the relationship right away, or they’d go ahead and have sex with her anyway.
In the early days of the internet, men outnumbered women by a huge margin. Dating sites such as match.com had 5 times as many men as women in the developed countries, while today it is about 2 times as many. Since the men who seek relationships with women online outnumber the women who seek relationships with men, it seems to give women an advantage.
Given the chaotic nature of internet chat, and the time investment it takes to establish and maintain online relationships, the use of monetary incentive seems like an understandable investment. A substantial fraction of the recipients are probably honest and faithful.
What is much more puzzling to me is the amount of money that’s spent on pornography. It always seemed to me that men would be too proud to pay money to someone for the privilege of watching them have sex. It is like someone saying to you “I get to have all the fun. You watch and pay me for it.” Besides, the internet drastically reduces the cost of reproduction for pornographic material, and there shouldn’t be any need for anything “new” given how much is already out there. (Americans spend over $1 billion a year on internet pornography.)
My hypothesis is that the root of the problem has to do with society’s illogical attitude towards sex. In particular, the idea that girls are sluts or are easy when they have sex with too many guys is outdated in an age of effective contraception. A major consequence of this, however, is that men will spend too much time and money courting women or trying to get sex.
Likewise, in a capitalistic society that generally encourages the pursuit of pleasure as well as the fulfillment of basic human needs, prostitution should be one of the most respectable professions.
I’ve seen many posts suggesting that bar or club girls are undesirable when it comes to marriage. Having never entered a bar or club in the Philippines, I have no strong opinion on this, but it is odd that this wisdom seems to be accepted as self-evident, and requiring no argument beyond the catch phrase “you can’t take the club out of the girl”. I have been married twice before, and both girls had never had a boyfriend before me. From my perspective, it is not obvious why one should not marry a club girl.
GoddEnough,
I enjoyed our chat this morning. You know Pal my last trip was a real "eye opener" for me. I wanted to relate some of this on the Board as I was surprised after over sixty (60) trips to the Philippines over the past 14 years at what Filipinas are capable of when outraged. It always turns up that some rookie wants to "reign me in".
I need to just keep silent and allow these guys to fuck up at will. I told you about the "peachtree georgia pussy" and the "mason city $5,000 fool" (put $ 5000 in a bank account for a girl shortly after meeting her. She immediately cleaned out the money as fast as the ATM allowed and disappeared).
You know yourself GE that I am not the "fuck & run" type. I tend to keep in touch and nurture relationships. You have met at least 5 of these ladies and spoken to at least 5 more on the telephone or net. My Posts on this Board this past week were partly to air my feelings and also to inform the Guys as to what can happen. No need for them to experience what the used car salesman from Peachtree, Georgia or the idiot from Iowa went through here.
Obviously I prefer Asian women, including filipinas over American women. No contest. But the undertones and cunning of asian women are something western men are not accustomed to or perpared to deal with. Hell, after all these years I even got taken for a long, expensive ride.
Talk to you GE and hope we meet soon somewhere in the world. Pal I am very happy to know you are doing fine. Stay safe.
Dragon Slayer
Well, I wouldn't say we're preaching hate at the Filipinas. I'm just responding from my own consistent experiences. I'd just want a fellow brother to proceed cautiously.
The pros of Filipinas: They do seem quite affectionate, and the ones I've dated have been as good in the kitchen as they were in bed.
The cons: Well, sometimes, they ARE cons, and shameless ones at that. Of course, Dominican, American... well, just about all women have that rep. But I think Filipinas can take that sh!t to a new level.
Dragon Slayer I'm sorry to hear about your recent bad experiences. Don't let it get you down. No one can be 100% safe from being played unless they lock themselves in a room alone. You have a good head on your shoulders. They won't get very far ahead of you and you will have, and have had, a hell of a ride! I feel sorry for the guys that never get taken because they never do anything. You and GE are two of my heros!
Pals,
I have been PM'd to death. I cleared it and it filled up. Sorry,. This of course, includes many Boards incluidng Toronto, Canada. But most is right here. I work long hours and it is now 01:30AM so I am not dissing anyone (played ball with black ballplayers for many years, hence the term).
Columpuss,
Man you must live in a cave. This is the SLayer. I know 1000's of Filipinas and NO, I NEver make the rookie mistake (except in Davao in early Aug; read the Post) about my income. I would have to say that 1 out of every 4 girls I meet and chat with over a longterm (say 3 hours - 2 days) asks for money. I am not inventing this and I have been preparing a Post on this very subject.
This has not happened to me on the Thailand or Chinese chat Boards (speak Thai and learning chinese) but it is recurring like a "spreading virus" on the filipino chat boards. I met a giirl in Ozamiz City on match.com who within 10 minutes of chatting told me I must give her $ 100 to show my good faith intentions to her. I had barely enough time to tell her my name let alone get to my annual income.
I had one girl from match.com ask me for $ 150 for physical therapy for her back (great set of fake tits) during our first chat. Filipinahearts.com has a long, detailed warning about giving any money at all to filipinas you meet there.
Filipinas are great. Chinese girls are even better. I am locked in as baby slayer is half filipina and I would sooner die than give her up.
Dragon Slayer
Dragon
Now I know the difference between our approaches
I don't meet any one on any chatroom. I only meet them on my travels and exchange email after I know them a bit. That's how you figure it out. Stay away from the pushy ones and settle for the more composed and conservative, for me. I didn't mean to give anyone the impression that all Fillipinas are good, it's life, 50-50. But more like poker, you are good if you know how to read the faces. I don't know why but I have better lucks with Filipinas than I do with Thai, Chinese, Indonesians, and Vietnamese. That's why I keep returning to AC years after years. Like I said "to each his own"
Columpuss, Pure Logic and my eternal buddy the Dragon Slayer:
Thanks guys. The last few posts are some of the most candid and insightful that I have read for quite some time. It's reassuring, at least for me, to realize we all go through the same struggles in our efforts to understand.
I think that the reason we continue to be surprised by some aspects of human behavior is that the linear model of Western thought, or "rationality" simply does not apply here. Because it does not apply, we are unable to predict with any accuracy the response of the population to given sets of circumstances and stimuli. The fact is, that the attitudes and thought processes of Filipinos in particular and Southeast Asians in general, are governed much more by mystical or "non-rational" forces than is true in the West. Logical positivism, or the "if A then B" approach is simply inappropriate.
Pure Logic has implied at least, that it's the basic cultural and/or social assumptions that we do no understand. I agree. If we did understand these, or at least if we could define them, perhaps the behaviors would make perfect sense. We're simply making judgments from the wrong paradigm because it's the only one available to us.
In the Philippines, which is generally described as the only "Christian" country in SE Asia, we compound our mistakes by assuming that, because it's Christian, it must be grounded in the same Judeo/Christian belief sets as the West. The fact is though, that Christianity here is a very thin patina overlaying centuries of more tribalistic, pantheistic and mystical beliefs and it is these, more than Christian precepts, that govern behavior and thought.
There's a premise in logic that differences in belief are not subject to resolution through logical argumentation. This is true because differences in beliefs are grounded in different assumption,s and logic cannot resolve such differences. The point is that we see life through the prism of our own sets of assumptions and the Filipinos do likewise. The two sets are, however, extremely different most of the time.
It would be interesting to hear more on this subject from those with Filipino antecedents who were actually raised in the West. Perhaps they would understand, far better than I can, the specific differences in the two belief structures. I would imagine that they would have a difficult time reconciling the two.
Perhaps the only lessons to be learned are first, to acknowledge the fact that "East is East and West is West" and that the two are different and may be, in some cases, irreconcilable. Second, perhaps we should continue to try to explain to Filipinos why we act the way we do and third, we should never stop trying to undertand the basis for their behaviors and beliefs.
I have not touched on the conundrum of the guys who continue to send money to women they have met on the Internet. Perhaps it's a matter of nobility on their part; perhaps it's a way of sustaining a non-threatening relationship; or perhaps it's a genuine desire to cultivate something durable and meaninful. I would guess that the motivations are as varied as the number of guys engaging in the practice. I do not know, and I doubt I will ever understand it.
GE
This evening, I picked up a copy of the "Time Asia" edition dated September 20. On page 64, there's a review, entitled "Strange Magic" of a new novel, "The Disinherited," by the Filipino-American author Han Ong. In his review, Jamie James makes a statement that is apropos of what I said in my prior comments. He says: "No nation in Southeast Asia offers the storyteller richer material than the Philippines; certainly few places need more explaining. Superficially, the country appears to be the most Westernized in Asia, after centuries of Spanish colonialism and a formative interlude as an American dependency. Yet its soul is rooted in a panoply of ancient cultural traditions and magic religions as fabulous as any in the region."
Enough said.
GE
Any suggestions,currently sending my girlfriend to college ,graduates in two years with a technical degee worth about 75000 a year here in US. Plan to marry her and have a child. Problem ,she has 7 brotheers and sisters ,what are the chances she will try to bring them all over here at my expense once the green card is given. She says no way but family is number one with filipinos. She is a province girl but I met her in Manila and am positive she is not fooling around. My biggest problem is that I still want to monger big time around the world and finally have enough time and money to do it, but I do not have the same feelings for any of the many girls as I do for my girlfriend. She knows I fool around when I am not with her but still tries to monopolize my time and wants to go with me everywhere, I do not want to dump her but at the same time I dream of new encounters. We have spent almost a year of time together so my understanding of her is pretty good, Her family has never asked me for a dime as they own land in the province and dhe could move there now and live without working in her home town which is very rural , I am torn on what to do she is 22 and I 45,any suggestions
Marc
It's 7500 not 75000 right? if not, that's a lot for technical school
I know a couple of guys who have wives with at least 10 years gap in age and didn't work, they all said, after the good sex they have nothing to talk to the wives about, that = we have nothing in common. Hope that's not your case.
Good luck!
No, she will make at least 75000 and has already agreed that I will handle all of the money, that agreement will be in our prenuptial or no deal, her response, will I gve her 10 % to send to her family and I said no but you can spend it on yourself, she loves school and gets great grades and I like that, but.
Marc25:
I am reasonably sure that holders of a Green Card do not have the right to sponsor any relatives for visas to the US. That is a right reserved for US citizens and, even if you do get married to the girl, it will take her at least 4 years beyond the green card to get a passport. Besides, if you're going to be the one controlling all of the funds, how would she have the means to bring them over?
My (very) limited experience with newly-arrived brides/immigrants, is that it does not take them long to "become" American and to adopt US attitudes and behaviors. If this is true, I wonder how long she will sit still for your plans to continue your sexual excursions once you're married and she's there in the US. If past experience is any reliable predictor of future behavior, I would imagine, she would not tolerate it for very long. Further, can you imagine an American woman allowing her husband to control her $75,000 income? I can't. prenup or no.
Just a thought, and I could well be wrong.
GE
Marc25,
$75,000.00 directly out of school?
I find this hard to believe, but not impossible I guess.
Have you researched her posible income or are you guessing?
If it is not to private what is she studying in school?
FF
GoodEnough/Marc25
Your are right on (GoodEnough), saying green card holders cannot bring family members across. Family or not, the spouse (wife) has to get USA citizenship. After her conditions of her initial green card are removed, which takes 2 years, its another 3-5 years for her to get her US citizenship.
You are also right, when they get here, they quickly get Americanized. So be ready for the change in the sweet little PI woman you met. No longer will she be the same.
She knows now you cannot control her or her money. You have paid her way here, and she now has many PI friends that tell her she can do better.
Its your choice (Mark25), I did the same thing you are doing and now I am have divorced, to the sweet little PI woman I brought here.
But to each his own, we all have to learn in our own way.
LK
As to 75K for a 22 year old Filipina with a technical school degree, I doubt it. That would put her in the upper 5% of income earners. As to a contract (a pre-nuptial is a contract at base) allowing one to control the fruits of another's labor (her wages), that's slavery and frowned on here in the great old USA. In other words, an unenforceable pre-nuptial. In fact, I would bet good money no pre-nup would be found enforceable against a foreign bride. They must be negotiated at arms-length between individuals with separate legal counsel and be 'fair' in order for them to have a hope of being enforced. Trying to control a 20 year younger immigrant bride's income with one is a pipe dream and likely to lead to jail.
Marc25,
Unless she is attending an "elite" school (UP, Santo Tomas), I'm not sure you can count on a degree from the Philippines having the same earning potential as a US degree.
Like GE, this is just a thought.
Regards
I appreciate all the comments and advice, currently she is going to UP ,which she picked and was adamnant it was a top notch school, especially in nursing. Nurses in Hawaii can work four days and make 75000 easy within 4 years. I have known her a year basically she has enough income to go to school without my help. I have purposely made her self sufficient, so I can see whether her interest in me is true. She wants to live in the Pi and have a baby with her, I am not crazy about full time in the PI,but after being with her 24 hours a day for at least 4 months , she feels truthful. at least I know she loves going to school, at first when I proposed getting a degree she wanted to go to Medical or Vetern. but i said nursing. I know she will change but I have a hard time ralizing I may have to let her go. Any comments on how much you can protect in a prenuptial, just in case
Marc25,
I am loath to give advice to fellow monger, however, in this circumstance I wouldl like to share something my dear old Pappy said to me many years ago when I was leaving for Korea.
He said, " son if Uncle Sam didnt issue it to you, don't bring it home with you". In the years since he gave me that advice I have grown grey, hes in the graveyard, the family farm is now an upscale subdivision, and the world has generally gone to hell in a a hand basket, but that advice is still very relevant.
If you truly love this girl and I have no doubt in my mind you do, because Filipinas are by and large the warmest, friendliest women on the face of the planet, They along with Latinas comprise the last groups of women on the face of the planet. that I can tolerate being around for longer than five minutes. but please Marc if you truly love her do not bring her home it will be cruel and unusual punishment for both of you.
I have yet to see a marriage like that not end disastrously.
Just some food for thought. Best of luck my man.
Best Regards,
Cooler
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Marc25,
As someone that works as a manager in the technical arena. I can tell you that there no way she will earn 75k as a college grad here or over there. The philipines has never been known as a country of advance tech nor are phils viewed as technical people. One certain fact is that in the phil even if you go to a good tech school its still a buyers market, there are plenty of unemployed tech grads over there who have had to seek advance degree. In the u.s. where outsourcing is a big issue in the tech arena there are people with years of tech experience under them who have advance degree unable to get a job. You will NOT be able to get a job as a new grad in tech that pays you 75k not even if you go to schools like MIT or Cal tech the two top tech schools in the u.s. The tech boom is pretty much over in the u.s. you won't find anyone paying 75 k for the most part unless your a manager. My suggestion is look around at local news paper see how much they are paying and what the requirements are. Furthermore a newly grad from another country wouldn't even get an interview in my company. Reason being we recently had an entry position open up pay was 37k a year with some experience, and this is in california. Over 700 resume were submitted to us in a span of 4 days. You need to ask yourself why would you even consider hiring someone who has never worked here in the states, would you even bother to make a call around the world to verify employment? How would you verify if the school was accredited by u.s. standards. That degree is worthless in any big company, or any company that is paying a decent wage. She may end up getting a 8 dollar an hour job being tech support or something like that, but don't expect anymore than that
Cooler Brew
"son if Uncle Sam didnt issue it to you, don't bring it home with you". How racist is that!!?
I personally have been married for 25 years to a Filipina and i have many friends who have foreign wives. But then thats in the UK.
If thats the only advice you can offer then why not just keep it to yourself.
FS
Marc25,
I, too, know of a handful of of US/Filipina couples who have made it. Though I had to send mine back.
Also, if your lady is an RN, 75K after 4 years of US experience is not all that far off.
BTW, one of the regular readers of this board, and an occassional poster, is a nurse recruiter. PM me if she is nearing the end of her schooling.
FD
75 k for a rn after 4 years? I ve been doing some research on this matter, after 4 years its true you may make in the low 70 or high 60's but most of the time from what my research indicates you have to have advance training, this is only what I have read on the want ads. In fact 75 k seems to be the going rater for a nurse with a master degree! nurses practioner. Also you must consider she may not pass the board exam. Apparently only a very small percentage of philipine nurses pass the rn board exam in the states. Perhaps it would be better if you let her try and get into the u.s. by her own means, by passing the rn board exam which will guarantee her papers.
Dragon slayer
Sorry to hear that you got played, it just shows that even seasoned people can be taken for a ride by these gals. What I find more troubling is the discussion your wife had.
Instead of having people pm you for pictures of the gal in question why not post her picture on the photo section. Who knows someone right now on the board maybe taken advantage of. Since you have always been someone who has shared his experience and given lots of sound advice. I think it be fitting that you share this evil witch with the rest of us so we can avoid her like the plague if we see her.
Scotsman,
No racism involved, only common sense. The truth of the matter is I have seen many folks arrive here with foreign wives from Europe, PI, Korea, Panama and all the other places were the US has military personnel stationed, and I have yet to see one of these marriages work out.
Possibly the demands of military life were too great, but then again the divorce rate in the USA is already over 50 percent. Hell at this point in time I wouldnt encourage anyone to get married.
You do have a point about the Uk being different than the USA though, that is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. The USA may well be one of the most savagely competitive and capitalistic countries on the face of the planet. To expect anyone to adapt to life here is rugged to say the least. Throw in the pressure of married life and trying to maintain a career. And you have a nearly impossible situation.
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Guys:
For what it's worth, less than 5% of the Filipinas taking the US licensing exam actually pass. The same is true for those who take the UK exam. The reason however, is not, typically, a deficiency in technical skills, but in English Language proficiency. Both US and UK licensing boards require Registered Nurses to speak at a level of fluency approaching native born, and the candidates from the Philippines cannot meet this standard. This is why call centers opening here reject approximately 94% of all applicants, most of whom are University graduates.
I think there's also a requirement, for nurses wanting to work in the US, that they work as nurses for a minimum of two years in the Philippines prior to applying. This requirement (assuming my information is correct) coupled with the English Language requirement presents a pretty steep barrier.
I guess the implication of this for those wanting to bring ove Filipinas to work in the States, is that you better enroll them in an English Langugage Training program once they've completed professional school.
For those who are interested, a number of studies regarding the declining proficiency in English in the Philippines, have been conducted over the past several years. The Government here has recognized the problem, and has recently recommitted itself to doing something about it.
GE
I can really notice the decline in English compared to when I first started coming to the Philippines in 1993. On this last trip there were several girls that just couldn't talk. It was sort of like being in Thailand or somewhere that has lower English ability.
I think that some time in the 1990s there was a fit of misplaced nationalism saw Tagalog favored over English as a medium of instruction. So now the chickens are coming home to roost. People are failing to get the only well-paying jobs they have a chance at because of English. Sad that the Filipinos so often shoot themselves in the foot this way.
To the Nurse occupation.
Yes, Nurses are needed in all States in the USA. There is a big shortage here in North Carolina where I live.
But, they do not make the type of wage that Trim spoke of in California.
The reason I bring this up is a little thing called cost of living.
In North Carolina you may have a nursing job that makes $45,000 a year. To live the same life style in California you would need to make over $60,000 in Los Angeles. So saying that someone will be making $70,000.00 a year can be deceiving.
You can check out cost of living adjustments here. Hope Jackson lets me do the link. If not PM me and I will send to you or you can do an Internet search on "cost of living"
http://www.reply.com/real_estate/research/cost_of_living/default.asp
Of course I do agree that any amount that she would make would be better that the offers in her own country.
Also, I attended a Community College here in NC. For those who do not know a Community College only offers up to two year degrees as compared to a four year degree from a University.
The college I attended had a large and very successful nursing program. The nurses from this Community College with a two year degree would start at the same pay as the four year degree nurses.
This is an indication of the shortages in nursing. The difference is that the two year nursing graduates could not move beyond standard nursing to any management level unless they did more schooling. The management levels is where the big dollars being discussed here are. The floor nurses, as they are referred to, never reach that higher pay.
Typically it is my understanding that unless you are from a highly credited school overseas, the Hospitals will only consider your degree as a two year degree after you pass the test required to work there.
This may not still be true though.
FF
For what its worth I believe that non u.s. educated nurses must pass both the board test and an english test. The Philipines nurses that do pass the english test then must pass the board test and out of that number I believe its about 20 percent of the philipinno nurses actually pass the board exam from what my research indicate, which is dramatically higher than nurses from other countries, I think its a mix of english and schooling that result in such a low pass rate. I would also like to point out that the rn exam is getting tougher because apparently the high law suits from inadequately trained nurses. Try and do a search on the web on international nurses pass rn exam.
Frequent flyer is 100% correct in regards to everything he mentioned. From the education aspect and pay issue. He is also correct about her degree being considered a 2 year degree.
I do think you are jumping the gun a bit here, I mean lots of nurses try to get into the u.s. and very few make it. If she well educated and got the right stuff she should be able to make it on her own without any problem. If thats the case she will be able to obtain a green card without your help, and when she arrives in the u.s. if the love is still there you guys can get married. You should keep in mind that things may change real fast, with her being able to support herself and she may think you aren't the best catch possible. "no offense" but that has happened to many, that white night in shining armor doesn't mean a lot when she lands in the u.s.
The 15%-20% passing percentage for first time exam takers is very normal but the percentages go much higher on the second time and third time exam takers. English speaking proficiency is quite different from English writing, reading and comprehension proficiency. Foreign born nurses in the US are tested on written and reading English proficiency only. To put a correlation on the percentages for call center job acceptance or on the level of English proficiency of women in the "business" to the percentage of nursing job acceptance in the US is simply baseless. As a matter of fact, 30% of foreign born registered nurses in the United States are Filipinos.
It may be that 30% of the RNs in the US are Filipinas. The question is however, how large a pool did it take to yield that 30%? I agree that mastering the ability to read and write in English is far more difficult than mastering sufficient vocabulary to be understood when speaking. This is exactly my point. The vast majority of those taking the tests that measure the abilities to understand the nuances of English, fail the exams.
Very amusing conversations, I just wanted to get something straight.
Is this about getting a wife over to the US or getting a slave to make money for you to the US....???
Good luck to all.
Mook
to whoever may be interested:
i'll post this in the other appropriate areas as well.
while doing internet searches for other reasons concerning the philippines i found this site that gives semi-street maps of certain areas. there have been times on this site where persons have requested to know or have an idea where a certain area may be. this may help
in the upper left corner there is a street search that can be slow.
in the middle there is a select destination choice and this works very quickly. i am on a high speed connection, so i'm not sure how fast this would load on a phone line (56k) connection.
the maps are flash animated and you can zoom in and out and use the arrow keys on your keypad to move the map around once you zoom in.
i'm not sure how accurate the maps are, but they seem pretty good for the makati area, which is all i'm familiar with. i found p. burgos street pretty easy by doing a select destination for makati and going to where i thought p. burgos street may be down makati avenue.
http://www.onthemap.com.ph
ff
My girlfriend is only 24 and I am much older ,when I am gone it would be nice to feel she has a skill to take care of herself, I do not need her income but it will allow us to live a lifestyle I enjoy and I know she is too active to just sit around all day and wait for me to come home.With the current 12 hour shifts she would have 4 days off , her income would give us a much nicer home ,vacations without much care of cost. Growing up poor I enjoy some luxury but realize it only feels special if I save it for two of three times a year. I intend to get a prenuptial and would welcome any comments ,suggestions on how to protect myself financially . although I care for this girl I am still realistic on how much they change once foreign brides become Americanized
Marc, have you considered the possibility that, once she's self sufficient, has a green card, and is productively engaged in American society, she may consider that she does not really need you any more? This is not intended as a put down, just a reminder that as contexts change, so do expectations and, inevitably, relationships.
Marc,
GE makes an excellent point. I'd hate to hear you got burned. These ladies are quite capable of breaking our hearts, if our hearts are in play.
FD
All core books and literatures used in nursing schools in the Philippines are all written in English and generally authored by Americans. Not one is written in the native dialect/language. Even the local nursing licensure exams are written in English. Thus, any locally licensed nurse will have the best of chances in passing any US nursing exams and English reading and comprehension is definitely NOT the issue when somebody fails. The local manpower shops always get locally licensed nurses for placement in the US. The 30% could be attributed to the existing work permit and immigration quotas that the US impose on overseas workers through the years. Also, what you didn't know is that Filipino nurses are also deployed in UK and many European countries and have meet the countries' licensure requirements as well. If the US had no quotas the numbers would be a lot higher.
While after three times at bat, I'm about as jaded as you can get, I wouldn't write off a 24 year old Filipina without due consideration. It is true that after living in the land of Hillary and Walmart many women do get rather uppity in their notions, I have found that many Filipinas still remain far more loyal to their American mates simply because no matter how bad we are, we shine in comparison with what they grew up with.
My father-in-law (currently on wife #4 in a country with no divorce and about 6 different family units) is constantly the example my wife gives as to what is wrong with Philippine society by being so "babaero" (personally he is my hero since women seem to throw themselves at him still)
I'll be blunt on the subject.
If you can deal with the fact that once in the US, she is highly likely to leave you after she gets the green card.
Look in the mirror, is the reason you couldn't find a mate in your original country because you are old, fat, unattractive, etc. yeah, yeah, we all hear the arguements, "I just prefer the girls in the PI because they are ( ). "I can find a girl here but I don't like the stuck up bitches of the US" "PI girls know how to treat a woman" blah.. blah.. blah.. this can be true for some but to be very blunt, on my trips around the PI, most of the guys I've seen don't look like a good catch.
From what I've seen, if your age difference is around 15 years or more, the chances are even higher that she'll leave you. Everyone says that Asian girls like older men, true for some but when it comes down to it. You're old and fat, she's young and cute, she comes to the states and sees many young handsome studs, get the kids DNA tested.
I was reading about somebody doing a prenup before marrying a foreign national. It will 99.9% be unenforceable because once she gets to the point of getting a divorce from you, she'll get an American lawyer that will point out that when she signed the prenup she was not on equal footing with you. She was younger and naive, she did not have self appointed attorney representation, she had to "marry you to leave the poverty" behind, etc. etc. Forget about it.
Mook
Mook:
You pretty much said it all. Old and fat attracts young and pretty only in the circumstances found here. Once in the US, the whole deal changes, or once in the US and the green card has been obtained, the deal changes.
I honestly don't think that Philipino women make good brides compared to other asian women like Japanese, and Chinese. Reason being that Japanese and Chinese women tend to be more family oriented and the culture is more male dominated. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would disagree with this, but just take a look at the Philipino's in the U.S. even though they were not born there or are new arrives tend to be quite americanize and pick up the more less desirable qualities rather quickly compared to other asian . If your looking for a true asian woman I think you should look else where, your chances of being happy are higher. One good thing about philipinos are they speak English which makes communication much easier . I personally would rank philipinos very low as wife material, unless the girl is unattractive and comes from the country side.
What other analyses can you guys offer?
I am relatively young (27) and I keep in good shape (190cm, 95kg) by a strenuous running routine (10km per day/ 4x per week) and I lift weights. The only problem is: If I want to have access to Asian vagina in the United States (being black) there is just not enough to go around. It seems that being associated with my brothers has not made things good for me. (It doesn't make things good in China, either. At least most people in the United States understand that being black does not necessarily make one unable to speak English or HIV infected. And that there are black people from other places in the world aside from Africa.)
And it's not that black men can't get carpet in the USA (since there is the issue of supply and demand within the black community). It's just that 95% of white women who date black men look like Jabba the Hut. And I am not too interested in black women.
So, let's say a young and nice looking girl meets a guy who fits my description. What happens then? I know that the passport is a factor in some girls decision, but I am not too revolting to look at or anything like that. I think that the only thing that would make me undesirable is that I am 100% uniterested in having children. Non-negotiable.
Clandestine:
I'm not sure what you're asking. If therre is any racial crap here in the PI I have never seen it, which does not necessarily mean it does not exist. I've seen a fair number of Filipinas with black guys in Manila, and the guys sure as hell looked happy.
I would think that the color of your passport here is a hell of alot more critical than the color of your skin. The passport issue is a recurrent theme here, and most, if not all of the women want to get out.
GE
Clandestine782, I was generalizing and but I think I was getting my point across, this what I said about being fat and old was not meant to say all guys are like that. But let's face facts, the majority are. I'm fat but still young and I'll be old soon. I'm not saying I'm any better. Just pointing out to the fellas to be realistic.
I was in the PI with 2 friends for about 2 weeks. Couple of days in AC, Cebu and Manila. It's like you're living in a dream, things go by so fast, no pressure of work, no stresses of everyday life, just fun 24-7 with friends. You just can't think straight during this time. Even though I was there for 2 weeks at the end of the 2 weeks, it felt like I was there for months.
This is a big clue as to IF you relationship will last, yes relationships are based on love, personality, etc but physical attractiveness has a bit to do with it too right.
If realistically you can attract a lady of similar attractiveness in your home country compared to the PI then there's no problem. But if a young cutie won't give you a second look at home but gives you long stares in the PI. Don't fool yourself.
In terms of being black in the PI. Once they hear your accent and that you have an American accent, they will notice the color of your passport, the blue with gold eagle emblem. They won't see other color except blue and green now.
Mook
To clandestine 782,
Once they know you are American you can forget any type of racial bias , they will swarm over you like a lottery ticket, which you are . Every living American to almost 95% of single Filipino ladies is a walking Donald Trump, a multi-millionaire who could easily solve all her financial problems. NO not even think twice about encountering problems
Hi Clandestine,
Why so secretive if your young and single, just kidding.
One of my partying partners in the Philippines is a Black fellow from the USA. Both of us are from North Carolina.
There is Racism in the Philippines, just like everywhere else. Try being American in most cities in Japan, white or black, and you will see what I mean. However, there is no rasism with any ill will or hate towards Black men in the Philippines.
All over this board you will see examples of the girls with the white makeup on their faces. It is considered to be more desirable to be of a lighter complexion and the beauty stores are full of all types of creams that supposedly lighted the skin. That is a local racism that occurs.
Wait till you see some of the commercials in the Philippines on the local television stations. There are creams that lighten your skin, completely remove scars, no matter how bad. Creams that increase your height by as much as 6 inches. Creams that will enlarge your breast and also take fat off your body. All directed at the girls. It is completely hilarious. Most these products are from Taiwan as well as the commercials and I can't believe that the local government lets them advertise this stuff on TV. Of course it isn't much different from the late night advertisements in the USA. Except these charlatans in the USA do use wording to get by the FCC guidelines.
I've jumped of track here. In any case there are girl in the Philippines who prefer black men, some prefer white men, others do not care at all. My friend has been turned down before, but there was always another girl jumping at the chance to go and get speared. I have had the girl with me tell me that her friend either doesn't want to go with the black guy or in most cases is scared to go. I'm sure you can guess the reason why.
We have worked out a system where we will just ask upon entering a bar which girls like black men. This way my friend doesn't waist money on drinks for a girl who will not leave with him, which had happened a few times. He always has plenty of excited girls to choose from.
As for LA Cafe and the other free lancer places, if they talk to you they are interested and trust me there are plenty that are interested and not just because your American or other Western tourist.
My buddy and I plan to be in the Philippines in early November. If you are there then and would like to join us and see the action with a couple of semi pro mongers PM me.
Enjoy,
FF
Clandestine said "It's just that 95% of white women who date black men look like Jabba the Hut."
That's real funny, but how come whenever I see a white girl with a black guy, she's invariably a hottie? And I'm not talking about interracial porn.
Mookman, very interesting observation regarding:
"I was reading about somebody doing a prenup before marrying a foreign national. It will 99.9% be unenforceable because once she gets to the point of getting a divorce from you, she'll get an American lawyer that will point out that when she signed the prenup she was not on equal footing with you. She was younger and naive, she did not have self appointed attorney representation, she had to "marry you to leave the poverty" behind, etc. etc. Forget about it."
It would seem that the only viable solution is to just fuck, not marry, these women. Fuck em for a year then trade them in for a new girl. If you want kids, you can have a surrogate mother to carry it for you.
King Arthur, I disagree with the fuck'em and leave'em policy because we're suppose to be people and have a concious. If it's straight P4P then no problems but when guys are promising girls to marry them and them leave them high and dry that's just plain fucked up. There girls are people not animals to throw out when you are bored. Make no promises and play it straight and you make no problems for anybody and yourself.
For the most part, if you want to marry a girl from the PI and want to make sure it actually lasts. Others suggest marrying a girl that is already well off and doesn't need your money but that's almost impossible and let's face it, if they didn't need your money why the hell would they marry your ugly, loser ass, right?
I seriously believe that you must get a girl that is in your league. If you are old and fat and try to marry a young hottie, who's 20 years old, chances are that it's not going to last long once she comes to the US. Now if you get an older woman in her 30's or 40's then ok, way better chance. But that kinda defeats the purpose right of going to the PI to find a young hottie.
I know 2 guys in their 20's, married girls from the PI also in their 20's. So far their marriages are working fine they are happy and it seems like it will last. Reason being, these guys would of married the same type of girl if they married girls from the US, it's just that they happen to be from the PI.
So basically, if you can't get the same type of girl from the US as in the PI then most likely it will not work out, plain, simple and being realistic.
Mook
Prenups are enforceable regardless especially if she from the Philipines, because there laws are very close to our own. Lawyers from the Philipines can come to the u.s. and just take the bar and if they pass they are recognized as a lawyer. So, a buddy of mine who is a good lawyer says it can be enforce and with a good prenup it basically iron clad, and will hold in up in court, one of the things he told me was that you must keep your assets separate and have a list of what items you came into the marriage with and have your lawyer draw up the document as such.
As for the issue of f*cking them and leaving them, hell most of them will end up leaving us when they get to the u.s. so what the hell. You know most of the girls will give you lines etc. and lie to you so all is fair in love and war.
I don't think you should lead a virgin on or anything like that but if she a bar girl or some chick that gives it to you the first hour you know that chances are she in it for the pasport or the money
iI you are an educated black man, your kinda of shit out of luck. I think if you dress hip hop and is thugish, go to japan lots of japanese girls are really into black guys that can't have that urban ghetto look. I've always question why would anyone want to go down versus up. I believe that the Philipines are quite open to black guys as well. Even in the states, but your shit out of luck with most other asians though.
I met a 75 year old guy on the golf course today, who has a five year old child here. I know another guy of 73, who just started a new restaurant, and whose 20 something year old wife is pregnant. Some may call this a triumph of optimism over common sense, but I don't think so. These guys have, by moving here, given themelves a new lease on life. They're happy. They're productive, and the women to whom they're married do not feel at all cheated.
These relationships would not, of course, work in the West. First, the men could never hope to attract such women and even if they could, the extent of the ridicule from society at large would create enormous strains. It's better, I think, if you're considering the "May/December" route, to stay here, where such relationships are not uncommon. There's nothing hypocritical about this. All relationships are at least somewhat contextual, and the cultural context here makes these relationships tenable.
Rather then, considering whether to bring young Filipinas to the States, to Europe, or wherever, the alternative may be to consider whether you should relocate here.
GE
Pimpster,
You must have missed the original post about the prenup. It was proposed that the poster could have a prenup that gave him his future wifes earnings ! ie: a contract such as, "I paid for your schooling and getting you over here, you owe me XX years of salary". (paraphrased)
No prenup denying basic human rights would ever make it to court.
GE,
On the money.
FD
It's true, there is somewhat of an obsession here with skin lightening, and it's also true that the TV is full of ads for various skins creams promising to lighten and brighten the skin. This may be more a matter of personal vanity than preference in men. I have had a couple of black friends here, and I never saw one of them shot down because of the color of his skin. I'm not saying it does not happen; just that I have never witnessed it.
I agree completely with Marc 25; there are so many women here and such abundance of opportunity that racial hang ups should not be any deterent at all.
GE
Domino:
I do not know what else I can tell you, except that these guys are hardly unique here. I actually see more of these guys here than I saw in my 6 months in Vietnam, which I guess is not surprising given that, at least from the point of view of languages, it's easier here.
You're correct, I do like it here, though it's not (my opinion only) nearly as interesting culturally as Vietnam. On the other hand, it's a somewhat easier place to live and the pace is a whole lot slower. Vietnamese food though is alot better. Attracting non pro women is not difficult here and somewhat more difficult, though hardly impossible, in Vietnam.
I think you should empirically test both countries before making your decision. In fact, I could perhaps volunteer as a lab assistant for the experiment. Seriously, if you get here, send me a PM and let me know when you're coming.
GE
While it is true that Filipina have a thing about pale skin and all, I've never seen them really exclude a Black, or swarthy looking men on race alone.
Going with a white, black, hispanic. arab or "Turko" is a matter of preference, some will not get near an arab, terrified of them, but have no problem with black. Its a difficult social issue here, generally, pale skin, tall is associated with the wealthy chinese, being light skinned is equated with wealth, status etc. Dark skin means you are a peasant and got that way working in a rice field. Asians are very social concious and one does not marry beneath ones station and Filipinos are very concious of this!
Now the spamhog prefers darker women, I think they are especailly exotic, however Filipino men refer to this as "pangit" or ugly, they often laugh at us, why do you have a girlfriend (wife) who is so dark, you can have a light skinned mestiza if you want or chinese? Hey, I like 'em like that!
I think Thai women have a bigger problem here with race, after all Thailand used to have a caste system, the darker ones skin the lower on the social order,
Spamhog
What you find when you talk to many Filipinas is a distinct dislike for Filipino Men. Its amazing to hear so many of them rattle off the exact same reasons. "they are lazy", "they are always drinking", "they are always gamlbling", "they alway beat them", "they are are always babaero (womanizing)". I have pointed out that the last one could be said of any guy, but the usual response is that Filipinos don't support any of their women and expect the women to assume all the support function, that is their real complaint. Westerners generally will provide some measure of support All this bodes well for ANY westerner (including Japanese) of any race.
So guys enjoy the hunting while it lasts. Someday they may actually fix the economy here and ruin a great thing for all us mongers.
The mother of my godson came to the US when she met and married a McDonald's franchise owner. She eventually got a job as a waitress at Denny's here in the US. This is where she met a guy who was a valet, she eventually divorced her older guy, married this valet, and has had three kids with this valet.
The difference I see in this woman, is that she brought stability to this guys life. They both ended up going to medical technical school. He's a radiologist and she's a dental hygenist now and they made it without her getting a penny from the divorce.
Talk about marrying down?
Member #2718,
You fit the profile of a gullible Westerner. Why do you have to believe any of the words of a ho? The only thing these hos are interested in is your money.
[QUOTE=MasterBlaster]Member #2718,
You fit the profile of a gullible Westerner. Why do you have to believe any of the words of a ho? The only thing these hos are interested in is your money.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but I have lived in the P.I. off and on for the last 20 years and continueously for the last 5. The build-up of info over time has been very consistant. As for an interest only in money, I have observed that is also a consistant trait of everyone on the planet. The chief difference being that the pros are more up front about it (which is refreshingly honest).
Wake-up and enjoy whats out there before you miss it all.
Happy Hunting
Reading through the posts I come across various opinions on various issues and thought I would add my own two pennyworth.
Filipnas dont make good wives are many indications ! Like any race, I guess it depends on your luck in the draw. I've been married to one for close on 22 years now, she looks after (but does not "control") all our finances, keeps a good house, looks after me and still pleasing to the eye and good company. We moved to live in the Philippines around five years ago after time in various other coutries. She is a number one and I have never regretted my marriage. By the way, I know many other foreigners here in a similar situation. There are many more marriages here alive and well in the background. With a good woman by your side life in the Philippines can be good, a little money goes a long way here. I have a modest but pleasant house in Manila and a four acre farm lot a few hours drive from the city. We lead a quiet low-key life and are never short of friends and things to do. For me and many others I know, marriage to a Filipina is good and life here in the Philippines is also. Choose your woman, select the right life-style and you should be OK.
PS Just got back from a weekend out at the "farm". On first arriving there stopped at the local shop and bought six bottles (total three litres) beer for 100 pesos, marginally under 2 $ US, a couple of packets of Marlboro Lights for another $1, some fresh pork for another couple of bucks then the wife set to with the bar-b-que. Salad items were home grown ... the makings of a great laid-back evening ! An early night with some good sex completed the day. I urge people to look deep before discarding the Philippines or the women to be found there!
[QUOTE=Marc25]Any suggestions,currently sending my girlfriend to college ,graduates in two years with a technical degee worth about 75000 a year here in US. Plan to marry her and have a child. Problem ,she has 7 brotheers and sisters ,what are the chances she will try to bring them all over here at my expense once the green card is given. She says no way but family is number one with filipinos. She is a province girl but I met her in Manila and am positive she is not fooling around. My biggest problem is that I still want to monger big time around the world and finally have enough time and money to do it, but I do not have the same feelings for any of the many girls as I do for my girlfriend. She knows I fool around when I am not with her but still tries to monopolize my time and wants to go with me everywhere, I do not want to dump her but at the same time I dream of new encounters. We have spent almost a year of time together so my understanding of her is pretty good, Her family has never asked me for a dime as they own land in the province and dhe could move there now and live without working in her home town which is very rural , I am torn on what to do she is 22 and I 45,any suggestions[/QUOTE]
7 brothers/sisters have a HIGH probability of trying to move to the USA, namely any empty floor space in your home. You home may become "squatter central"
You cant blame people for wanting to improve their lives, but if you sponsor them you are economically responsible. If they all can/will/work/study rather than sucking up public assistance might work out.
I have seen a huge difference between educated and non educated pi's. seems to be a rather disorganized culture. Upper class pi's disown the lower strata and I have seen a lot of "show offs"; lots of gold, jewelry, tackyness, damn cars with loud exhaust systems that make my toilet bowl flushing sound like Mozart.
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Whoa !!
This is my first post after a couple of years of lurking around on the board. I am trying to figure out what planet your from. I’m a black man and I have been out with plenty of hot white woman; couple ugly ones too. Even married a blond who was trained in classical ballet and modern dance. If you’ve ever been out with a true dancer (not a SC dancer) you’ll appreciate that. But I drift.
I too am afflicted by the Asian Vagina affinity. It’s doable in the US, but depending on what part of the country you are in you got to work at it. However, in Asia, especially in the PI its truly pussy heaven.
I spent most of my time in Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia from 91 to 97. It wasn’t bad, if fact it was quite good. The Filipina woman I met outside of the PI (as far as Dakar of all places) where amazing, pretty open and lots of fun. But when I finally got to the PI in 2002. I couldn’t believe it. My problem; well not really a negative sort of problem, is I hooked up with a woman in Laguna Province so my mongering has been somewhat limited over the last couple of years.
You will have no problem-attracting woman. The type you end up with really depends on your personality. Just go over, show a little bit of modesty, respect, and courtesy and you will be totally blown away.
Centeaur
Welcome to the board! Your experiences and observations are fairly similar to what I have noticed. I am not black, and perhaps I'm not as sensitive as a black guy would be to possible racial overtones, but I have never seen that here. I asked a couple of black friends in Manila if they had ever exprienced rejections that they felt were attriutable to race, and both responded that they had not. Maybe it does happen, but if it does, it must be rare.
As I've said before on this thread, I think women are interested more in the color of the passport, the color of the money, and the kindness and courtesy with which they are treated than they are in skin color.
GE
[color=blue][b]Centeaur[/b][/color]
Being black in the Philippines will cause you no problems with the women, whatsoever. OK, some women will ask you some strange questions but remember this is only because they are not experienced to life in the outside world. About the only time you may face some negative attitudes is from a small numbers fellow travellers, who obviously don’t get out much, with their 1800s styled ideas on how they view the Philippino people.
As GoodEnough has said, what counts is colour of your money, personality and how you carry yourself.
[color=blue][b]Juniour[/b][/color]
In a previous posting someone indicated that he has been married to the same gal for 22 years. I would have to respectfully say that is an exception versus the rule. I believe that filipina make terrible wives if you bring them to the states. This has nothing to do with a race thing, but more of the philipino culture in general. I would have to agree with the poster when he says that there are plenty of older males who are married to younger women living in the philipines who are happy. Thats exactly the point they are living in the philipines, and the sole reason that these old guys are able to marry these young girls is because the $$$$. I don't think that these guys would stand a chance if they came to the states, where their wives would look at them as nursing home material and look for some young hot blooded stud.
Just wanted to chime in on this issue, since I knowmany of you brothas are still way too concerned about the color issue in PI. Please take all of our advice, dont trip about it at all. I'm married to a filipina, and even have a very freaky flip on the side. They are really not that concerned about it. All they want is someone who will treat'em right. In fact the only time I come close to noticing anything like this, has been when we get together with other fil-am couples. And then it's usually any combo which my draw looks, blk-flip, white-flip...Still no one gets in your face or makes overt comments about it. Most times I am made to feel right at home. Kinda their way. BTW I live in southern california, and so our particular mix is quite common. Hell my nephew and adopted brother are also married to filipinas. Before I met my wife, I used several dating services. Each time the majority of asian women responding where filipinas of all ages, shapes, sizes, and colors. Even if someone gices you the "funny" look, it will be no more so, even less, than what we get at home. Best thing to do, is just relax, and enjoy the ride. Filipinas are by far the sexiest, freakiest, do anything you want women on earth. Then of course my opion is biased.
Fellas,
I am planning on a brieft trip to PI in mid May 2005. Can't decide if Cebu City or Angeles will be better choices. I like darker skinned filipinas, so I thought I can increase my options by doing Cebu, though any thing is fine in a pinch. Does anyone have any advice which might be better choices. I would also like info on a good quality hotel for a long stay which will be close to the action, and open to bringing girls in without much trouble. I always like to work from a base close to the action. Any advice you can give will be helpful.
Brown Fun Stick,
I would like to offer some advice concerning your choice of locations in the Philippines.
Angeles City - Advantages
The largest selection of beautiful, available girls in the Philippines.
The lowest priced action for Western tourists with a standard set price of 1000 pesos.
The nightlife is all located in a central location. Most of the bars are within a 5-10 minute walk of each other. Many of the bars are literally side-by-side.
Many of the hotels are located in the center of entertainment district and most are within a very short trike or jeepney ride
The entertainment district caters specifically to Western tourist, although you will see other tourist from non-Western countries, predominantly Japan and Korea.
As long as you stay in the central entertainment district, you will be fairly safe even if you end up getting a little drunker than would be advisable in a larger city such as Manila or Cebu.
The entertainment district is set up such that other than your transport to and from the airport, you never have to leave the little slice of adult paradise. Ideally you can arrange to have your hotel pick you at the airport in Manila and transport you directly to AC. If you get your drivers email address or phone number, you can often arrange for him to bring a girl or two along for the ride.
Angeles City – Disadvantages
There is very little to do in Angeles other than drink, sit in go-go bars and have sex. Essentially, when you are in AC, you will either be having sex, just finished having sex or preparing to have sex. (maybe this is an advantage ;-) )
Cebu – Advantages
Cebu is the Philippine’s second largest city with all of the activities that are available in a large metropolitan area. e.g. shopping malls, museums, non-sex oriented nightlife, universities, restaurants, etc.
Very nice beach resort area a short distance from the center of the city.
Local SCUBA diving available.
Cebu – Disadvantages
Hotels are significantly more expensive on average and you will often be staying with non-sex tourist visitors. For some people the idea of walking through a hotel lobby with a girl that is 30 years younger than you are or is just obviously a SW is an uncomfortable experience.
The girls are more expensive and there is a smaller selection available for Westerners.
Often times you will have to use motorized transportation to get from bar to bar and to/from your hotel.
It is generally more dangerous for foreigners late at night, but I wouldn’t say that it is any where near to being very dangerous or even more dangerous than the big cities in the US or Europe.
So knowing the advantages and disadvantages, how to make the decision.
For me it comes down to how much time I have in the Philippines. I can only have sex 4 or 5 or 6 or ….times a day for a limited number of days before the thrill starts to where-off.
If I am only going to be in the Phils for 7 – 10 days, I will head straight to AC. I will usually break the routine with a 2 day trip to Subic for some beach time with an AC girl who I enjoy spending time with outside of the hotel room.
If I have 2 – 4 weeks in the Phils, I head straight to AC for a few days of non-stop boning to take the edge off. This gives you the chance to find a girl that you can take along to places like Boracay or Cebu for general purpose tourism or beach time. If you put in the effort you can find 2 or more girls to either take together or take one along for a couple of days before sending her home and have the second girl meet you at your next destination.
Hope this helps, when it comes to hedonism in the Phils you are only limited by your imagination and your little buddy’s ability to participate.
I will recommend some AC hotels in a subsequent post.
Travel To Monger
Brown Fun Stick,
I would like to offer my personal opinion concerning your choice of hotels in Angeles City. There are several hotels within a very short trike/jeepney ride (or a long but doable walk) to the bars and a handful of hotels located within the entertainment area.
The hotels within the bar area are slightly more expensive on average than those that require transport, but in my opinion the 5 – 10 USD margin is more than worthwhile when you consider the added safety, convenience and cost of using the trikes.
That said, my preferred hotels in my order of preference are:
Central Park
[url]http://www.centralpark-ac.com/[/url]
Newly remodeled, centrally located, good 24 hr room service menu, and by far the best staff/service in AC.
Apartelle Royal
[url]http://www.champagne-angeles.com/apartelle/default.htm[/url]
Centrally located directly above the Camelot Bar, inexpensive, fairly new.
Orchid Inn
[url]http://www.orchid-inn.com/[/url]
The long time premiere AC hotel, however as the competition has increased many regular AC visitors have stopped using the Orchid. They relatively high priced, the staff and service is often extremely poor, and the rooms are in need of an extensive remodel. That said, they have a very nice pool area with a decent restaurant.
There are some other centrally located hotels such as the MOTEL located at Kokomos and the hotel associated with the Blue Nile group of bars. I haven’t stayed at either of these locations but if I couldn’t get into the Central Park or the Apartelle Royal I would give these two some consideration.
Here is a link to some additional hotels in AC.
[url]http://www.jenspeters.com/uebernachten/uebernachten_luzon_zentral.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Pimpster]In a previous posting someone indicated that he has been married to the same gal for 22 years. I would have to respectfully say that is an exception versus the rule. I believe that filipina make terrible wives if you bring them to the states. ... I would have to agree with the poster when he says that there are plenty of older males who are married to younger women living in the philipines who are happy. [/QUOTE]
I would like to propose a corollary to Pimpster’s statement, “filipina make bad wives if you bring them to the states.” My corollary, “Foreigners make husbands when they move to the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia etc.”
Before I start a flame war here, I want to clarify that I don’t mean ALL foreigners are bad husbands in the Phils and I am sure Pimpster didn’t mean that ALL Filipinas are bad wives in the US, you might just say that the odds are not in our favor.
I am simply saying that just as many Filipinas can’t resist the temptation of younger, better looking, and/or richer men once they arrive in the West, many foreigners can’t resist the endless opportunity to experience younger, sexier Filipinas when they move to the Phils.
So if we combine Pimpster’s theory that you can’t safely marry a Filipina and bring her to the West, and my theory that you can’t marry a Filipina and move to the Phils and expect to be faithful, the only logical conclusion is that we should all move to the Philippines (or Thailand, Indonesia, etc. ) and stay single ;-), which sounds very good to me!!
Travel To Monger
Better Loving Through Chemistry; San Miguel Beer, Vitamin V and Brown Women
T2M,
I don't think you're risking a flame war.
IMHO, if we look at ourselves objectively, most of us would make (by just about any reasonable definition) pretty crappy husbands.
This Thanksgiving I will be thanking God for making me a man !
FD
[QUOTE=Firedick]T2M,
I don't think you're risking a flame war.
IMHO, if we look at ourselves objectively, most of us would make (by just about any reasonable definition) pretty crappy husbands.
This Thanksgiving I will be thanking God for making me a man !
FD[/QUOTE]FD,
I believe that quote probably nearly gives you Guru status.
Well done,
zos
After a amazing trip to the Philippines and having the time of my life there. I was contacted by a girl I had a one nighter with in Cebu. Apparently she hadn't had her period yet. After one week she went to the drugstore and got a pregnancy testing kit. Apparently it's positive.
This is such a tricky situation. Now she wants to have an abortion and 13,000 pesos from me to get this done. Now if I've done the deed I'll hold my hand up and pay. I really don't know whether she's being honest with me though.
Reasons to believe
1) We foolishly didn't use a condom
2) She sounded genuine on the phone.
Reasons not to believe her
1) She's sure it must have been me cos she didn't have anyone else around that time despite her coming to my hotel and jumping into bed witrh me within an hour of meeting me.
2) She refuses to go to a doctor to get confirmation and was too easily content when I agreed to pay for it. It's Friday night now. I've agreed to send the money on Monday.
Can't really think what else I should do.
Any ideas?
Vigo,
As a guy who paid for a Filipina's abortion here in the U.S., I'd suggest you spend some time considering this decision.
First of all, after the exchange rate, what would you paying in U.S. dollars?
Also, legally, with her Cebu, what would be your legal obligation to the child, if any, say if she theoretically couldn't afford an abortion.
Sounds like she's extoring your conscience to me. She and her girlfriends could be giggling as she places a similar call to some dude from Indiana. If you don't pay her and you've got no legal responsiblity, you could be leaving your genetic footprint in another part of the world, which in some way could be satisfying.
Stateside, I coughed up several hundred dollars to a citizen Filipina who was wearing maternity clothes just two and a half months after I met her. Might be a chance that:
A) She was completely psycho and unpregnant or
B) I paid for some other pendejo who was able to buy the Bose table top stereo I should have spent that money on.
Lol, sorry to laugh, but I just returned from also an amazing vacation to the PI 3 weeks ago with two of my fellow Mongers in tow. Purely by coincidence (more like a pre-planned scam) one of my friends received a similar E-mail from a bar girl asking for approximately the same amount of money for an abortion. The one mistake this professional con artist made, was not knowing my friends history. Not only did he have a vasectomy 3 years prior but he also used a condom on the night in question.
Vigo, I'm not sure how you will know for certain, maybe one of the senior members can tell you a way where you can contact a local doctor and set up an appointment for her. She may even back out at the thought of getting caught in her lie. But I would definitely want some sort of proof before I sent 13,000P her way. Throughout my escapades to the PI this seems to be one of the most common scams the girls use to try and attain more cash flow. It's sad but many of the naive mongers succumb to the girls bola-bola. On the other hand, the girls who do get pregnant by foreigners usually have no way of letting us know or the means to address the situation. Which ultimately leads to perpetuate the cycle of poverty in this country.
Vigo,
First of all, put your wallet back in your pants. I've had the same claim made to me/about me/of me, whatever, at least a dozen times. Despite having had a vasectomy long before ever visiting the RP.
If she refuses to go to a doctor, of your chosing, she is being less than truthful. I would contact a local constable and tell him you think you are being scammed. This may cost you a little, but you may cut your losses by acting pre-emptively. (Sorry about the spelling, too late to look for my dictionary).
You may get her to drop the whole thing, if you demand a MD visit prior to money being paid. I can recommend a cop and a crooked MD if things get nasty.
PM me if you wish.
ZOS68,
Thanks for the kind comments. Much appreciated.
FD
Vigo,
Yes I would have to agree with FD. She is scaming you. I've had the same thing pulled on me and I foolishly came up with the cash. It was a lesson well learned. You have plenty of time to think it through. Wait for a while and then call her bluff. After she plays out her hand you can then decide if you want to fold 'em.
Mattrick
Well after some reflection and some useful advice from Friedick, thank you. I still was 50% uncertain about the whole situation.
I don't know anyone in Cebu who I could really trust to give me an honest report as to whether she was pregnant or not.
So I decided to employ some bluffing techniques. I phoned up 'the pregnant girl' and told her about my 'friend'whose wife lives in Cebu and is a very kind midwife. I explained to her that my friend has asked his wife to pick her up and take her to a hospital and if positive to somewhere reputable for the abortion. My ''friend's" wife will pay for everything and I'll reimburse her.
There was absolute silence on the phone. Then she gave me a 'No, no ,no!' and a 'Never mind, bye!' and hung up the phone!
Although relieved, I wasn't letting her off that lightly after a weekend of worry.
I phoned her back and demanded an explanation for her hanging up the phone. She explained that she didn't want anyone else involved. I said that if she didn't agree to meet my '' friend's wife " by Wednesday I'd have her come to the house with the local authorities and have her arrested for attempted extortion of a foreigner, a crime taken very seriously in the Philippines since it affects the tourist economy.
She started to ball her eyes out down the phone explaining that she wasn't lying. I said ok if she's not, she should meet my friend's wife and go for an anonymous test. Otherwise this will be pursued through legal channels....She's currently on Yahoo Messenger begging me to leave her alone.
I know there's nothing that can be done to her but I think she'll think twice before pulling a stunt like this again.
Vigo,
Practically all over-the-counter pregnancy test kits are unable to detect pregnancy after 1 week. And, if it tested positive a second test would need to be done (of course, by a legitimate professional inside a secure health clinic!). The chemical being checked by these test kits is the level of the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). Most would detect at 40 miu of hCG and above. Detection of pregnancy using these kits after one week is NOT normal.
If I were you I wouldn't pay it end of story. I mean if she really is pregnant and that is a big if there plenty of time to get an abortion before she starting to show.
1 Don't give her the money tell her you will pay your doctor in the phil to do it. So, she doesn't
2. If you are over there right now, I would go meet up with her and insist taking her to the doctor for him to do it. If she refuses then indicate you are not willing to give her the money. end of story and go on your way.
3. Lots of scam over there you may want to keep that in mind, till you have clear proof of her intentions always be doubtful with chicks like that.
As Firedick says be careful. Another comment you may tell your "friend" is to tell her to go through with the pregnancy and if she is really willing to say its your child, demand that immediatly you want a DNA test.
But that depends if you really want a child or not, if its yours or not. Its really up to you. I wish you well in what ever you decide.
In the first place, Abortion in the PI is technically illegal and most filipinas I now would have a bigger problem with that than they would having an unplanned child. The cultural element makes the claimed need for one suspect. Legality aside (which has never been a block to alot of things here) there is amply access to chemical solutions to any possible pregnancy issues. Ru-390 can be had from a number of pharmacys with a minimum of hassle (or cost) and at early stages would be the preferred solution to Vigo's problem assuming it is true. The cost would be less than P1000.
As for the girls reaction to potential police involvment, I wouldnt assume to much there since she may have a more real fear of a corrupt cop being paid by you, than any guilt over some scam. In the PI it truely is a case of "How much justice can you afford".
In the PI it truely is a case of "How much justice can you afford".[/QUOTE]
Too true.
A little more than a decade ago a guy in Angeles beat a "righteous"* murder rap with a $40,000 US bribe.
* The victim was found in a closet and the murder weapon was found in the room along with a couple kilos of a controlled substance. The "court" ruled it a suicide. Apparently she shot herself in the face twice, through a pillow !
Sorry, off topic. Emotions still running high. She was the sister of a friend.
FD
Virgo,
If you have a pic of this con artist do post it for us. It doesn't have to be nude or anything, so the rest of us can be on the look out for her and avoid her like the plague.
[QUOTE=Member #2718]
As for the girls reaction to potential police involvment, I wouldnt assume to much there since she may have a more real fear of a corrupt cop being paid by you, than any guilt over some scam. In the PI it truely is a case of "How much justice can you afford".[/QUOTE]Yeah that is something which I hadn't considered however I only threatened police involvement if she refused to have the pregnancy test. I continued the bluff telling her she could meet my 'friend's wife' the following day for a pregnancy test. Her reply was hilarious.
"You know what? I actually did the abortion today!"
Then she went on about if she had a test they would detect she'd had a recent abortion and she'd go to jail blah, blah.
No I've decided she was out for a scam, simple and plain and can't handle having being busted.
The night of the 'conception' was November 3rd....November 24th she claimed her period was already one week late and now she claims she had the abortion on November 28th. I'm no doctor but those dates just don't add up!
Elverselle,
I live in the RP every winter (Oct - Apr) and it is true, there is a lot of scamming for those who are nieve enough to be taken advantage of.
As for the cell phones, there is no "bill" per say. Most of the world doesn't pay a monthly charge for cell phones. Here one buys a "load" and when it runs out, you buy another. One can buy a load for as little as 10 pisos, which is about 4 cents! Most people text message, for 1 piso.
So one doesn't need a lot of money to have a cell phone.
Hope this was helpful.
Vigo,
Interesting lady, she is a little smarter than you think.
Conception happens at ovulation, which is about 14 days into the mentral cycle,
1st day of menses on Oct. 21th
conception on Nov 3rd
so, next menses should be Nov 17th
Hence 1 week late on Nov 24th.
But, I don't buy the abortion on the 28th! Not enough time.
And no, I am not a doctor, but I do play one on TV! Lol, always wanted to say that!
But, my UG degree was in nursing science
[QUOTE=Elversele]Kids in Philippines seems to be used as a weapon against US Americans.
Any filipina you chat with the first thing she will tell you is I AM A SINGLE PARENT, what do you do for a living, some even ask you how much do you make. To me that is a way of saying , HEY I FOUND A SUCKER who will wire me money and pay my cell phone bills, as about 99% of them seem to have one, whether they have a job or not, how can they afford it? Beats me, may be by having suckers wire them money. There are very pretty girls there, and the Oriental look is a big turn on, but the way most of them think, even though some of them still believe in love, leaves a lot to be desired IMHO.[/QUOTE]Check the per capita income of the Philippines. At $50 (cheapest) a cell phone with prepaid services as low as $5 and useable up to 2 years, who do you think can't afford a cell phone back in the Philippines? Practically, nobody there receives a monthly cell phone bill except for the corporate customers.
I know quite a few Filipinas and it seems like the whole country is like helping each other to lie about whether a girl has a bf or is married. The girl will swear up and down she doesn't have a bf or any hks and her friends will lie to support this too. Later I find out she has 1 or more local bf, bfs back in her province, plus countless internet bfs that send her money.
Don't their Filipino bfs get pissed about them getting phone calls all the time from foreigners? And yes they all have cell phones. One girl told me she didn't know how she was going to eat this week as she was txting people.
I haven't visited yet, so this is all from the internet but I've seen it several times. Any comments?
Member twenty-eight thirty-two,
Hey, interesting tidbits of medical research seen recently (last year or so): A significant minority of women have independant ovation and menustration cycles.
I saw this on Yahoo News of the World or some such similar news gathering page. Anyway, after exhaustive tracking of a group of women which included daily scans, researchers found that some women have multiple ovation periods within a menustration cycle that were completely independant of the menustration cycle itself.
This explained the occasional dual pregnancy where one embryo was significantly less developed than the the other. Previously doctors had explained the phenomenon as identical/fraternal embryos with one "nutrient hogging" so to speak. But the daily scans showed that some women were actually dropping a second egg within a couple of weeks and getting pregnant a second time.
I don't remember the number of women showing this independant ovation cycle, but it was something along the order of 10 - 20 percent of the women studied, if memory serves.
Tatoosh
Vigo,
After my experience funding a crazy abortion, I also thought it would be well worth to tell a girl you've had a vasectomy even if that isn't the case. It'd be nice to see her reaction that way.
Stateside, my experience tells me it's well worth any man to ask for a joint appointment with the doctor who'd be handling said pregnancy.
A few months ago I pestered a friend of mine in his 70'S to come to PI because he was getting used by the girls he was trying to bed, giving free trips, loaning money, dinners etc and getting nothing. Finally he goes and even though he has been married before I tell him repeatedly "do not marry the first girl" .Well you know I tried to fix him up with a winner but he said not children "I have raised my family : Well , you know what happens, first girl he meets he is over the moon , goes to Embassey three days later to due the marriage, visa, and she promply quits her job and his free sex:because he told me he of course never pays for it:, he is now just months away from her going to AMerica, she is still seeing customers when he is away and of course he is paying for her and now she told 5 children and sisters who need to take care of the children while he is in town, in addition she now has credit card for over 600000 pesos in her own name , where she can take out in her name, when I ask him he says :I trust her" I almost gag as he has read nothing about filipin culture and knows nothing about bar girls and their mentality. Of course he met her at a bar but he thinks it is just a regular bar. We have tried to tell him but he will not listen and does not want to hear anything about his love , we see disaster for him and I really feel like taking him aside and letting him know she still fools aound but My filipino girl says he is in a dream and all he will do is get upset at me. OH yeah , now he is doing the paperwork to bring her kids over and when I say to him HOw in hell he plans to live a lifestyle he wants, he replies: i filed but when it comes time I will put it off : of course when it comes time his love will cry and threaten and this poor schlub, will be stuck raising 5 kids and flushing his retirement and future down the toilet and his love is trying to figure out other ways to part his cash. OH yeah two of her family members have already had illnessess which required cash infusions. I lke this guy but he is not my closest friend and I feel responsible. Should I talk to him man to man and let him know the realities or just let it go I feel extremely guilty.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. It's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bite.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
Remember too that for most people, cell phones represent the only means of communications. The land line system sucks, and few people can afford to have a house phone. The mail system is a joke, and most people do not have routine access to the Internet. Text messaging is cheap, effective, and instantaneous. Sending SMS is a national preoccupation here.
I was thinking about going to the Philippines to find a wife (as opposed to staying in Thailand).
I have been to Thailand and talked with some other members of the board about finding a wife there and their comments were none too encouraging. For instance, they talked about the complications in marrying a bargirl.
During the time that I stayed in Thailand, it was possible to find accommodation for US$50-100 per month with food expenses that were almost the same amount (if one lives carefully). One year would be something like US$1200.
Since I am financially able, I was thinking about living in the Philippines for several months while I tried to find a wife.
Ideally, I'd not locate in a place like Manila. It would be better to go to Cebu or Puerto Princesa where the cost of living is lower and the girls are not as hardened.
Can anyone offer some suggestions about the potential pitfalls/ fruitfulness of such an endeavor? (And you can send the message to me as a private if you'd like.)
I think you would find the same risks in marrying a bar girl here in the Philippines that you would find in Thailand or almsot anywhere else. The major difference here is that you need not limit your search to this arena. It's easy to meet women here from virtually all walks of life, and your chances of establishing a relationship with someone with a "normal" job are much higher.
To live on the kind of budget you mention, at least here in Davao, would require that you go native. If you do this, you can get a room for about PhP 1,000 and you can eat (again assuming you eat the local foods) for a couple of dollars a day. You would however, be living well below the expatriate standard and you would probably decrease your odds on meeting one of the ladies from genus normalus referred to above.
GE
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I was thinking about going to the Philippines to find a wife...
Since I am financially able, I was thinking about living in the Philippines for several months while I tried to find a wife.
It would be better to go to Cebu or Puerto Princesa where the cost of living is lower and the girls are not as hardened.
Can anyone offer some suggestions about the potential pitfalls/ fruitfulness of such an endeavor? [/QUOTE]
Clandestine
I would echo GoodEnough’s comment that the risks of marrying a Filipina bar girl are pretty much the same as marrying a Thai bar girl. One possible exception to this statement would be the possibility of finding a Filipina who is brand new to the bar business and yet she speaks sufficient English that you will be able to communicate with her easily. In Thailand, as a general rule, by the time the girls are proficient in English, they have been in the business quite a while.
Your idea of avoiding Manila, given your limited budget, is prudent. There is a very active, family oriented net community called “Living in the Philippines.” The majority of the members are married to Filipinas and live in the greater Cebu metropolitan area.
They have a website with useful information such as cost of living/budgets for several different areas of the Phils and more importantly, they have a very active list server where you can post questions on non-mongering issues and receive several replies within a couple of hours. A warning is in order, do not mention this board in any way with that community, they tend to be rather closed minded when it comes to our preferred hobby.
Here is their URL:
[url]http://www.livinginthephilippines.com/[/url]
The sign up for the list server is on the left side of the page near the bottom.
I would recommend that you start your search with some of the internet dating sites such as FriendFinder and AsianFriendFinder. You may not find the girl of your dreams on these sites, however, if you put in some time in advance, you should be able to hit the ground running when you arrive in the Philippines with a couple of potential Mrs. Clandestines awaiting your arrival.
Hope this helps, I will post some additional information shortly,
TTM
What is it about filipina women that make them not age as well as other asian women. I think that some of the hottest looking girls face wise are filipinas, but for whatever reason they seem to go down hill real quick after 30 or so and by 40 they seem to nose dive big time. Even the young hot ones I've notice that even the real hot ones just nose dive. Could it be the spanish blood in them, I've notice a similiar problem with mexican girls in the states as well. Anyone else have a comment on this?
Just examine the type of diet that the populace of the two cultures eat: mostly meat and full of sauce. Both cultures eat heavily sauced meals, such as menudos or kari-kari, and eat deep fried meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Also there is the concept of the big afternoon snack-merienda. No wonder the ladies of both groups gain a lot of weight and do not age well.
Metabolism rates tend to slow down when people reach their late 30s.
The accelerated aging is probabily due to a number of factors. Sun Devil is correct in that the diet is not a healthy one, and includes lots of fried foods (fried in who knows what) and lots and lots of sugar. In addition, access to medical care is extremely limited, and even for those who can afford it, the quality is fairly low. Add to that the fact that women tend to have several children without regard to family planning or spacing of the births, and with an absence of pre and post-natal care, and these are not the attributes of a healthy lifestyle.
The fact is that people here in their mid-forties are considered "old" and they look years older than their chronological ages.
GE
I will have to agree with you about food, thing that it does make filipina and hispanic women age rapidly. I've dated numerous filipina girls in the U.S. who age like no body business, after awhile it was like going on a date with your mom. However I would like to point out that they all started out very hot! I think if your going to marry a filipina she should be about 20 years or so younger than yourself, because they seem to look about 10 to 15 years older than their real age!
I think stress is the biggest factor of all. I don't find Fillipinas living at home aged as much as the ones in the US, and that goes for all nationalities and genders.
With all the debates about wether to marry a Filipina and bring her home, you all forget that it has nothing to do with Filipinas. You can bring a native Amazonian living in some peaceful tribe in the forest to the US but once she gets here she'll turn into an all American. And you know what that is guys. It's this rotten, materialistic, phony and stressful culture (if there is one) that changes her and nothing else. This applies to most rotten "Western cultures."
I can't blame these girls, see, people are what they see and experience everyday. The only win-win situation is to marry them and stay there with them where people are warm and real.
I've met a girl who is not a bargirl at all.
In fact, we met in the street when I said hello and she asked me what I was doing in the PI. I replied honestly "Looking for a wife." And she said that she was looking for a husband. We met later that night and again the next night.
Now I am in her hometown and have met her father. It is very unlikely that she is a bargirl because if she were to introduce me to her family she'd have to explain how we met. She has also said that we can only have sex *after* the wedding (which will be a civil one), though she is not a virgin. She said that she had sex with her boyfriend before, but I guess it happened, like, one time or something.
I remember having spoken to a man who walked into the store where I worked (my night job through graduate school), and he told me: "If you can't get laid in the PI, you can't get laid."
The question for you mongers is: Could it be that easy? And what do you think of the situation surrounding this? What might her logic be in wanting me to wait until after we are married for sex? Because if this girl gets to be too much trouble or too "Americanized" before we've completed the paperwork, I'll just disappear back to the USA-- sans elle. We've agreed that she can send nearly all of her money that she earns to her family and that I won't be turned into a human cash machine for her relatives' needs.
The only advice I can offer to you is to be extremely careful. The story she's telling you could be totally legitimate, or complete bullshit and you would have neither any way of knowing or checking. If I was in your position, there's no way on earth that I would accept the: "not until we're married" routine. In fact, I would insist that she live with me for a while first.
As to sending all of her money to her family, be careful there too. Remember, she will not be able to work immmeidately in the States, so there's no possibility of her being able to generate cash to send to her family. Ergo. You will be (or could be) the only source, all prior agreements to the contrary. My advice? Set up housekeeping with her for as long as you can. Even if it's only for a couple of weeks, and see what she's like to live with. Then decide.
GE
Clandestine782,
It is not a tradition there to let personal intentions be known immediately on a casual encounter. "Hello... Hi... I want to find wife... I want to find a husband" is a highly unusual circumstance. Have you really known the girl? What is her work? Where does she work? How long has she been working in the city? Does she make enough to provide for her needs? Was she sent to the city to be the breadwinner for the family? Does she have relatives in the city she relies on? What was her first job? Who are her friends? What are her friends' jobs? These questions are valid since it is really hard for a province girl to tough it out in the city. Talking about money before marriage is not a tradition either. You got to build a profile of the girl to really understand her situation.
If I were you, I'd give it time. Go to the normal "getting to know" and courtship process and see how she behaves. If she's saying that you can't have sex until you are married then do the same. Let her wait and see how she reacts about waiting for money and all. Ones a woman is a non-virgin the "no sex before marriage" is baloney - she's just using it like a commodity that you desire. Those words are normally said to nurse their own ego since keeping ones virginity is a social norm. That is the normal reaction when a Filipina feels shame towards herself.
Psychologically, those words are meant for herself and not for you. If you just want to bang her then just plan on banging her. Don't use marriage as a tool to bang her. If there is anything on your side, you definitely have time - try to know if she is really marriage material.
Masterblaster
I live here in the US in an apartment building with a filipina manager. She has several daughters who live here in the complex. About 2 months ago I found short black hairs appearing in my bathroom. I responded by writing a note with magic marker on the mirror explaining that entry without permission is a burglary- a felony.
Thought no more about it until yesterday. Came home and found a very long black hair on the sink again. I know there is only one filipina here with long hair. She lives across the hall and is a daughter.
Is this some kind of sick filipina crush routine? I wonder how much of my stuff has been gone through and what exactly she is thinking.
Anyone have a clue?
Clandestine,
It seems to me that you are destined for a major heartbreak. Everything about the situation stinks of mahipulation.
Why are you in such a hurry to get married ? Do you have a terminal illness and only a few months to live ? If not, why not set up housekeeping in the RP and see how she reacts and treats you for the next couple months ? If she fails to convince you that she's the one, then you're already set up to start looking for the next "future Mrs Clandestine".
FD
It seems to be impossible to spend 5 or so minutes on Yahoo Messenger without attracting many young and beautiful Pinays, all of whom are peniless and in severe financial need. As most have web cams and mobile phones, it is relatively easy to check them out. Is the Ph the most depressing country on earth? Is it worthwhile getting involved with these babes? The one I am now stalking needs c $250 each quarter for university fees. She seems like a bright kid. She is a business major:)
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I've met a girl who is not a bargirl at all.
In fact, we met in the street when I said hello and she asked me what I was doing in the PI. I replied honestly "Looking for a wife." And she said that she was looking for a husband. We met later that night and again the next night.
Now I am in her hometown and have met her father. It is very unlikely that she is a bargirl because if she were to introduce me to her family she'd have to explain how we met. She has also said that we can only have sex *after* the wedding (which will be a civil one), though she is not a virgin. She said that she had sex with her boyfriend before, but I guess it happened, like, one time or something.
I remember having spoken to a man who walked into the store where I worked (my night job through graduate school), and he told me: "If you can't get laid in the PI, you can't get laid."
The question for you mongers is: Could it be that easy? And what do you think of the situation surrounding this? What might her logic be in wanting me to wait until after we are married for sex? Because if this girl gets to be too much trouble or too "Americanized" before we've completed the paperwork, I'll just disappear back to the USA-- sans elle. We've agreed that she can send nearly all of her money that she earns to her family and that I won't be turned into a human cash machine for her relatives' needs.[/QUOTE]
For all that's good and decent buddy, please come back to reality! Look pal, I wish you well and hope you do find true love if that's what your after, but this one smells.
First, you must remember, these girls will do ANYTHING, to get the hell out of the Philippines. Does this mean they will make a bad wife for sure? No, it does not, but it also means there is a high likelihood she is playing you. First, she is not a virgin, one time or not, she lost that privilege. For her to say YOU must wait when ex boyfriend did not, is simply wrong. Could be she has been slamming a bunch of guys and knows you might be able to tell.
Honestly, Asian women who are virgins are going to be so tight, it's obvious. They are tight naturally, but when they are still virgins, getting a pinkie in can take hours!
All I can advise you, is to consider cutting your losses, or demand you date for several months, if she is a player, she can't hide it for that long. It's your investment, time, future, money, heart. BE CAREFUL! American guys get ripped everyday falling for the Asian bride thing! All they want is that green-card then citizenship so they can them start importing their family. Now days, they have the system down to a "T".
Tang~!
Domino,
Penniless and with a mobile camera phone?! Sending money on the basis of a relationship established through an online service is ridiculous. $250 a month is about a months salary back there. Who wouldn't want $250 a month for lip service? I know some women back there who have 2 to 4 suckers sending them money every month.
Masterblaster
GT: Do I detect a note of cynicism in your latest post, which I enjoyed? The facts, as recently posted are: the Ph is one fucked up, God forsaken place. No wonder the ongoing exodus to Green card land. Who could blame them felling a country where having a job is a rarity and having one that pays a miracle? There are armies of them here in Japan as well, like there are everywhere else. If this guy is going to marry a Pinay, getting his rocks off should not be the primary concern. All we have is money; all they have is their attraction for us. So they have to keep some dignity by protecting their pussies. I would read nothing more in it than that: her pussy is her only draw card and, given the nature of this site, it is hardly a trump.
I once stalked a white sw who was a junkie and who had three sisters, all junkies and hookers. She too had to be wooed and romanced before she became my gf. We had nice times, me warching her jack up before I butt fucked her and she went off to work. Bottom line: people, Pinays included, need respect. If I was going to marry again, it would probably be to a young, cute, naive Pinay virgin. The idea of sticky seconds repulses me.
What I would do is marry in the Ph, set up shop there, have babies there, pay off her family, visit occasionally, send the babies to boarding school there/out to nurse and get on with my life outside the Ph.
You would wonder that such an inane post was soley designed to stimulate discussion on this board, not real and suspect.
The fact is there are many available filipinas in every major city on the planet. One needs only to do a little research to find where they hang.
Their situation in the first or second world is the same as their third world. They are constantly broke from sending money home to feed their own kids or their extended family et al. Until they import a troop of able workers their boat is sunk.
Yes, it will be harder to find a naive one here in the western world, but it is still possible. Yes, you won't get the quantity and variety of sex experiences and control here as oppossed to the homeland but if money and time is tight put up with it and do your shopping here.
The advice to setup home in the Phil for a test drive of the women is a sound one at the minimum. Anyone with a reasonable IQ should be able to figure things out after one week. You will find that most filipinas that wind up as GRO's are seriously lacking in domestic skills other than the skills we enjoy. Not having sex and much time courting before marriage to a non virgin is a major mistake. You surely wouldn't do that here.
Having the opporutnity to go home and think about it before making a decision on marriage is the wisest thing if you tend to think with your little head more often.
There is an unending supply of pussy in the Phil that one can't simply live long enough to enjoy.
By spending a couple months of the year there (best times Dec - Jun) superbest being Jan-Feb you will live the real man's world. Refer to my earlier posts on my proven methodology.
Unless procreation is your thing, there is little need for marriage. For me, I found a Filipina in my home town and had a kid with her. I didn't bring a filipina home. Why bother? It takes them several years living in the first world, usually as domestic workers in upper class homes, to be the best possible mother to your child (and to lose the accent at the minimum) unless you are very self reliant and a good teacher. I am neither. I like a women to do all the work. Of couse, I pay for it but the overhead of having a Filipina is one third on average.
Further, not one for keeping the faith that long (3 years), I will be venturing back to the Phil for some serious mongering in 2005, please God. It is in his hands as they say? right? Well I doubt to believe and hedonism is our game; go get your head examined - the one between your shoulders.
Dom,
You're sick as ever. :)
I'm looking forward to Pinay "skank" photos. Shit, you would have loved the old Hobbit House in Ermita !
FD
She did not bring up the issue of money first. I did. I've been told many times that this issue is something on which the lines of demarcation must be drawn clearly.
I don't want to stay in the PI because this place is a dump and the salaries for English teaching suck. So do the accommodations. And that's really about the only job I can do here.
What I've figured out in my life is: I need a regular supply of vagina so that I can function better in everyday life. East Asian muff is in really short supply back home (at least where I've lived), and that is what keeps me calm. Black and White doesn't interest me too terribly much.
The thing that takes away some of my suspicion is this:
1. I spoke to a woman (a Philippina) here at the school that I was planning on working for, and she said that if I met someone here, the courtship would only last two weeks at the most. So, short courtships are not uncommon.
2. A man that I spoke to a couple of years ago here said that he had done the "long term thing" and written letters to girls from internet services and they would write back. But, after a year or two of doing this he said that the easiest thing to do was go to Cebu and just find someone. He said that he went to a bar and there were 20 people working the bar and 1 customer at any given time. And from this place, he picked a 25 year old wife that he brought back home with him (she was 17 years younger than he) and she was a good wife. And this really *was* a bargirl.
Also: The paperwork is going to take a long time to finish. At least one year for her to get a spousal visa and two years until she has permanent residency. In that case, I would have at least a guaranteed three years, by which time I should be very near to finishing my Ph.D. In the case that it works out, fine. In the case that it doesn't, I'll be able to do my postdoctoral work somewhere in East Asia. If we see that it's not going to work out before then, then I just won't complete the paperwork at all and will send her back to the PI with, say, $1,000 dollars and my wishes for good luck. I don't anticipate many problems because my expectations of a wife are not all that high. I am not trying to marry a live-in maid. I just expect (at the very least) a convenient sexual situation in exchange for my support and a limited amount of money to her family.
The girl's family owns a very small restaurant. When I went there to meet them, they did NOT live a nice life. There was a brother there who had worked in Taiwan at a factory. Assuming that she was a bargirl and had an income, the family should be living a bit better than that. If this girl *was* a bargirl, she wouldn't likely be in this place (=Baguio). She is good-looking enough to make better money in Manila or Cebu, and the bar culture in this area SUCKS.
If the marriage is a trade off for a green card, I wonder what's the problem with that? If you think about pussy magnets in the USA, they are so because they have an expensive car and a nice wardrobe (in many cases). Have they spent any more money to procure a regular source of pussy than I will have by the time this immigration paperwork is over? Love doesn't have a thing to do with this (I don't believe in "love." But I do believe in "relationships of agreement.")
FD: On the subject of hobbits and dwarves: I must say, outside of the Wisconsin (Lefty)/Japan (Skinless), Thailand (Domino), they do do not get the coverage they deserve here; some, like Coma Boy, even want to deny them their just desserts (me). I remember the Hobbit House but it was not my kind of place. I preferred the open air bar, nearer the church but on the same side of the street. I had a good tour of Manila, lots of filthy places, some Smoky Mountain chicks. I had a born again bastard driving me around and, him aside, I enjoyed poking the sores. This time, in Manila, I will play it easy. Even though I would be more than happy to team up with a cutie, it is not a town to drop your guard in.
I will probably team up with a young, clean, pious lady for some innocent fun. I just don't want to meet a few of her "brothers" when they are on their way to baseball bat practice.
Last night, she was returning my perverted messages from church. I like clean living girls. Only problem is they won't travel to Palawan or Mindanau with me. Seems to be heavy, random shit down there. I have also been chatting with Pinay girls in Mindanaou who tell me, no problem, as long as I stay out of the Muslim areas. Hard to tell them Muslims give good head. All in all, I am hestitant about the Ph. Too wild, no law and order. But lots of cute, clean living ladies. Still, I will be there for Valentine's Day.
Clandestine: I presume you are in your late 20s, or very early 30s and very naive. If you are older, you are even more naive. If you are doing a PhD in a Ph university, you are even more naive. If you are doing a PhD part time form a US university, you are even more naive. Have you ever dated a woman, brought her to the movies, gone shopping for girl shit with her? Not that I really care. Just take some time out, take stock of yourself, discuss her with your family. And try to bring some romance into your life.
[QUOTE=Domino]Clandestine: I presume you are in your late 20s, or very early 30s and very naive. If you are older, you are even more naive. If you are doing a PhD in a Ph university, you are even more naive. If you are doing a PhD part time form a US university, you are even more naive. Have you ever dated a woman, brought her to the movies, gone shopping for girl shit with her? Not that I really care. Just take some time out, take stock of yourself, discuss her with your family. And try to bring some romance into your life. [/QUOTE]
Your reply is not so polite. I'll try not to respond in kind.
1. Late 20s.
2. Naturally Unromantic. I think it's genetic.
3. Not doing a PhD in a Philippines University. When you do a degree in science at universities in the USA, they waive tuition and give you a living stipend. It's workable. And it's a full time Ph.D, to commence in the fall semester. So now what?
4. Yes, I've dated. Not much into romance. Don't know what genetic aspect of my personality makes it that way.
5. Family doesn't need to be involved in my private life. We've agreed on separation in that respect.
Do you have anything useful to offer in the way of information about my goals beside amateur psychology?
Clandestine:
Assuming you are American (not Chinese etc who do most of the bs science degrees); assuming you are in the Ph as part of your PhD (marine or soil erosion?), I do not see a sure and steady future income stream for you. Let's face it: soil erosion or marine life in the Ph can only produce so many papers and who realy cares anyway? My advice: finish your PhD and let her wait. You might even be marrying in haste because of PhD problems. Do you want to marry or do you want to finish your PhD? Sort one thing out at a time.
John Domino
ps: I don't do psychology either as I consider it low class witchcraft. Hope this helps and you do not land yourself further in the shit. That said, Pinay women might be a good bet. But look at who is cutting the odds.
Your friend
jtd
Gentlemen: I am having increasingly raunchy Yahoo messenger chats with 3 Pinay beauties. One 5' angel seems set to go to Baguio with me for a few days. She also stands up to show me her legs and other parts. She is 21, I am "slightly older". Is this love? Is he a wothwhile investment? The Pinay on line ladies are so sweet. Is it natural sugar or a coating to trap silly little flies like
John T Domino
One of our recent posters advised that all his on line date set ups were a waste of time. Am I deluding myself? Is this love? Or even a break from dwarf fucking?
Thanks in advance
A lovestruck newbie
Clandestine: Futher to my note and pm: Unless you get an ADB mafia grant, no real shekels at it. That is why the Ph is so fucked up. because of gangster outfits like the ADB, imho.
[QUOTE=Domino]Gentlemen: I am having increasingly raunchy Yahoo messenger chats with 3 Pinay beauties. One 5' angel seems set to go to Baguio with me for a few days. She also stands up to show me her legs and other parts. She is 21, I am "slightly older". Is this love? Is he a wothwhile investment? The Pinay on line ladies are so sweet. [/QUOTE]Domino, how do you find such lovelies on Yahoo? Via the chat rooms? Which ones?
I have met many Filipinas online. My Davao Posts are filled with reports on how this has worked for me (quite fabulously). I have met plenty of women in China also this way in Chinese Chat Rooms (so what if it is in mandarin, good way to learn it).
My results have been positive as I noted. The Philippines is full of cyber prostitutes but they make themselves known very quickly by requesting "expense money" or "fees" to show off their tits. Nice ladies will do this without asking for money. Again, my Davao Posts expound on this.
Dragon Slayer
These ladies are so sweet they are tearing my heart apart. I am Yahooing one right now and her three friends sit back and help her. Me against the house. But I want the house to win. She is so totally sweet I feel I should marry her. She is 21, beautiful, doesn't smoke or drink, has never had a bf (right) and all the rest. She wants out of the Ph. Am I a turkey voting for Christmas? Such sweet, sensuous breasts. Carve me up. Firedick, is there hope?
Dom,
In your case, I would say give in to their temptations. You can always diet later.
"Smokey Mountain girls". LOL. I'll bet a number of the guys here are unfamiliar with that area of Tondo. A shame about the "trash slide" a couple years ago.
Clandestine,
It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. If it's regular puntang you need, why not just regular trips, if living there is not an option ? A lot cheaper in the long run. You might also want to consider a fiance' visa. Easy to sell to her as it is the fastest way to get her into the states. Much faster than a spousal visa. You need a form 129-F available via mail from INS.
In any case, good luck. Just be careful.
FD
Firedick
She is so sweet I do not want to do her wrong. Her friends are really cute too. I have to bring them all out to a Japanese restaurant in Manila. But I am a bad boy. I really just want to treat them with the love and respect they deserve but Iam a weak man.
I asked her to pick a holiday spot. She picked Baguio that I have visited. She likes discos. But Baguio. Six hours away from Manila for nothing?
[QUOTE=Domino]These ladies are so sweet they are tearing my heart apart. I am Yahooing one right now and her three friends sit back and help her. Me against the house. But I want the house to win. She is so totally sweet I feel I should marry her. She is 21, beautiful, doesn't smoke or drink, has never had a bf (right) and all the rest. She wants out of the Ph. Am I a turkey voting for Christmas? Such sweet, sensuous breasts. Carve me up. Firedick, is there hope?[/QUOTE]
You will be carved up and served to everyone else but you. 21 yrs old you say? You are just Yahooing and never been with her yet! That's right. Go ahead and marry her. Bring her here to the USA. After she spends all your money and gets whatever is left after she divorces you, you will then realize that the sweet rose has thorns. Sorry if you think this is harsh. I just want you to realize your odds against long term happiness. Best is go to the PI and spend some time with her, to know her and her hidden agendas beter.
Forget Baguio. 6 hrs for nothing. Does she want to stay the nights with you, or are you the ATM that will pay for THEIR good time and not yours? If she is serious about your future welfare together, then she should try to minimize splashing your money away.
Dragon Slayer,
Where are those chinese chat rooms? Are they in chinese script? I only know pinyin.
Got one. Hook, line and sinker.
[QUOTE=genuis8]You will be carved up and served to everyone else but you. 21 yrs old you say? You are just Yahooing and never been with her yet! That's right. Go ahead and marry her. Bring her here to the USA. After she spends all your money and gets whatever is left after she divorces you, you will then realize that the sweet rose has thorns. Sorry if you think this is harsh. I just want you to realize your odds against long term happiness. Best is go to the PI and spend some time with her, to know her and her hidden agendas beter.
Forget Baguio. 6 hrs for nothing. Does she want to stay the nights with you, or are you the ATM that will pay for THEIR good time and not yours? If she is serious about your future welfare together, then she should try to minimize splashing your money away.[/QUOTE]Genius8
You obviously don't know who Domino, aka John T. Skinless is, he is my hero, my god. Read some of his posts and follow his exploits, he is the master monger.
I am planning to marry a Filipina with one child and want to protect my assets . I live in a state where your assets are yours and not automatic a joint asset. Does anyone have an opinion whether a prenuptial is necessary and what the costs are . I am very interested in keeping my legal fees low as I have heard horror stories of attorneys finding problem after problem and the initial quote becoming a memory. Any insights would be greatly appreciated or any relevant web sites.
Thanks
I am here in the city of Dagupan and have found a different woman who is interested in marriage almost every day of the week.
The girl that I am with now (who has consented to sex) is overcoming her initial shyness and really getting into it more and more.
The question is this: It seems like the easiest way to get a girlfriend is to have one. [color=blue]There are other girls that are coming onto me and I don't know if I should stay here a little longer and see what they have to offer or if I should just be satisfied with what I've got. How often do you have the experience where you have someone and you keep second guessing yourself on what you could have gotten? How do you overcome it?[/color] This girl has introduced me to her family and is even in the process of getting her passport. What I've concluded is that she is serious about the relationship and very clingy (which is annoying but likely means stability). We have agreed to discuss children no earlier than three years later-- though she acts like she can't even wait that long.
You might have to take that promise with a grain of salt. It will depend greatly on her attitude. A coworker of mine married a pretty, young, medical-degreed woman from PI. She said no kids, don't worry. He being in his mid forties thought that was for the best, he didn't want to start a family that would keep him working into his sixties.
Three or four months after they had been married, big news, lucky guy was going to be a father. Ah, gee, she must have messed up. Too bad.
Not saying that will happen to you, Clandestine, but women get the urge reproduce and we guys get the urge to get laid. It's a stacked deck.
Good luck.
Tatoosh
I've been doing the chat room on yahoo in various differen languages. Anyone who is not fluent or damn close to it, in any non enlis chat room who tells you they getting girls to do this and that is pretty much full of shit. Its like a spanish speaking person with very limited to non existtance english going into an english speaking only room an expecting action from the ladies. I've been in these chat rooms and I can tell you that its not happening, anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. However its true you can meet some sub par by my standard looking filipina on the chat room though. However don't expect them to lift up their shirts after chats. You might as well get that out of your mind. There plenty of guys for them to chat with ratio of guys to girls usually favor the girls.
Now that young guy in his late 20's who is thinking of hooking up with the non virgin who won't give him any till after marriage. Furthermore this chick is going to be kicking back all th money to her folks. All I have to say to this guy is you got to stop doing the crack man. There are pleny of filipina over there that are way better catch than she is. You should remember that marriage is not a business deal, She in it for the money and it sounds like your in it for the pu tang. Its going to cost you an arm and a leg i you hook up with that one. You can find real live virgin over there that will actually fall in love with you, and not expect you to pay off her family debts. However the right hin to do is to help her family out somewhat becaus most of the people over there are dirt poor.
To the guy who thinking of hooking up with the girl that has a kid. I have never been able to figure this out given the number of single attractive girls over there. Why settle for sloppy seconds, furthermore do you actually want to spend tons of money on a kid thats not even yours, what if he a dickhead of a kid. As for prenub your pretty much sol because she will get a good lawyer and take half of everything and child support as well. The only thing you can keep are the things you had prior to marriage, and if you spend any money or co mingle her money into your bank account its will most likely be considered shared property. Furthermore if you spend any money on mongering etc..and she finds out your pretty much toast.
The law will protect you if you manage to keep everything in your name keep separate accounts use ONLY YOUR MONEY to keep up the house or any property that is yours going into the marriage. The moment where she puts any money into it or helps in your business etc.. she is entitled to a portion; it is up to the courts to determine how much. Most guys get scewed in the ass because they can't keep good books.
the last few postings are absolutely correct - all take note!
because of the pressure for money to survive, one must always be extremely cautious and sceptical about marriage. even if the girls are sincere, they are usually under very great direct and indirect pressure from their extended family. even girls who work abroad go spare from the financial demands of the family (filipina suicides abroad are common from such pressure): medical needs, education, starvation, climate damages and so on. the families are extended, often with 5-10 brothers and sisters, so you can see how the extrapolation numbers work!
bottom line, if a girl and her family really loves you, the family should not ask for money and sex should be natural. can't believe anyone would fall for a girl who says 'no sex before marriage'. besides the money side of the story, any girl who says that could be useless at sex ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is common there so she may have a mental hang-up on sex). tread carefully, use the brain, apply simple common sense and all will be well. enjoy!
She has dropped her demand of no sex until marriage. We have fucked each other to the point of whiplash.
We have also decided that the very most that I will be willing to send her family is $100 per month. And that is under the most harsh circumstances. Her family did not open the discussion, but on the advice of a Philippino (American) friend, I decided to stop that discussion before it even started.
Someone mentioned earlier that there would be no incentive for a girl to leave her family and stay with a man who wanted to pump her all the time if there was no money involved. And that may be correct. Think of the amount of money that one has to spend in a Western country creating the *appearance* of having wealth to attract women. So, being realistic, it is not unreasonable for her to expect some help with her family-- all the while understanding that she has to pay her share of the rent/ etc, and that I am NOT to be pimped.
I do have sense enough to get a pre-nup.
You are clearly a thoughtful careful guy. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor.
No doubt about it, Filipinas can be truly wonderful. I have noticed that they usually respect a guy if he establishes the ground rules firmly up front.
I swear reading your post makes me worried about you. You must be smoking some bad pot! You need to drop the 99 cent store crap and upgrade to the good stuff. Here a couple of things you may want to think about. If she fucking you like there no tomorrow now, you may want to keep in mind if this girl only had one sex partner before and if her skills are far above that, she probably not telling you the truth right there. Its always bad to start off a relationship with a lie. Secondly, this girl is pretty slick if you ask me, I've known some none virgins to play her game. They tell you no sex before marriage and give in later on and fuck you like a street tramp.
Why would they do that you ask? Quite simple to try to prove they are not a tramp, you that they are actually classy, because if a girl gives it to you too soon, you think she a tramp. However the name of the game is to give you some sooner or later versus letting you get away. Because chances are she knows that if she doesn't put out there are other girls over there that are more attractive than she is who will put out to get the fuck out of the PI. So she uses her draw card i.e. sex at the right time.
Secondly if you don't think her family is planning and plotting this whole thing behind your back your stupid. All of them do, because they all have something to gain from it. Even if you don't send them any money its one less mouth for them to feed if she gone. If your looking to marry a girl over there and she even mentions money, just walk away dude. I've met some real nice girls that are highly educated, lawyers etc... but still lived substandard by western standards that never talked about money. You should ask yourself is she fucking you because she loves you or because of your wallet.
As far as her being clingy and all think of yourself as the winning lottery ticket, her clinging to your side doesn't mean she stable or not. It just mean she knows your her way out of hell hole PI. I don't think you can blame her for that, but don't look at it in any other way.
Getting a passport and what not? Dude, if you were in prison and your cell mate was a homo named bam bam, and someone was going to break you out. You would haul ass to do what you could to help the process along now wouldn't you!
You should ask yourself if the girl really takes care of you, thats the key with the PI girls that are from good families tha really love you. They take care of all your needs, without you having to ask. Do yoru laundry etc, not that your looking for a maid but its all the little things. If you guys just hang out go out to nice places, and fuck a lot. Hell you might as well hook up with a hot bar girl for awhile. Same shit.
I had to break it off with that girl. The same afternoon, another girl took me to meet her parents, and I have a second appointment with them tonight.
Do you guys think I saved myself from some future headache? I thought the girl was unreliable when she:
1. Brought twice the number of people that she said she would bring for the dinner at which I was to get to know her family and insisted on bringing large numbers of guests every time we ate (which only happened once, since I refused to pay for her to bring a gaggle of friends after the incident with her family).
2. Quoted a figure twice as high as what I later read on the internet as the cost of getting her passport and then refused to give me any receipts when I asked for them.
3. Cancelled one date after another when I wanted her over for conversation and sex on three separate occasions. She was very easy to find, however, when I wanted to take her to lunch or buy her a gift.
4. Quoted me a price for payment of the rent on her apartment that was 25% higher than her normal salary.
TrimKeeper told me that I should fuck as many Philippinas as I could because they sure as fuck would fuck me-- and not in a good way.
After it's all said and done, I am only out of about $200 on a two week courtship with a good amount of sex during that time. (She was pretty decent on that front, at least.) And it may be only $140 if she gives me back the ring that I bought her as an engagement present. If not, I won't worry too much about it since I've found a replacement so quickly-- and with a beautiful/ tiny/ slim/ tight body.
The latest girl gives me much better signals because she insisted on paying for the transit costs to and from her house to meet her parents. No matter how much I was willing to part with the 20pesos, she wouldn't hear of it. She's completed her degree. Her family is *way* Catholic, though.
Your advice is appreciated, even if it is sometimes expressed rather harshly.
I was talking to a new girl after I dropped the one that had all the suspicious behavior, but it seems that I went from the frying pan into the fire.
I met her father that night, and her parents decided that they were going to dictate the terms of both the courtship and the marriage. They even brought the mother's brother in to help them sort it out. And it's strange, because the girl was 26 years old and hasn't had a boyfriend in 10 years.
My plan was as follows: I have a job coming up in Taiwan, and know that if I process the marriage paperwork anywhere outside of the Philippines it will take less time. (This is keeping in mind that not having a wife for a period of two years far exceeds the trouble of filling out the paperwork of bringing her back into the US.) So, I was thinking about processing it in either Hong Kong or Taiwan.
Her parents came back with: 1. "We want you to have a marriage in the Catholic Church" (which takes a lot of paperwork and a lot more time than a civil marriage). 2. "We won't allow a civil marriage, because we are devout Catholics, and you must be married in the church." (I don't believe in God anymore than I do the Tooth Fairy). 3. "If you like this girl, why not come back 6 months later?" (I won't be any different 6 months from now.) 4. "If you think that getting a job is more important than staying here unemployed and past your visa date to court our daughter, then you have the wrong girl." (People in this poor, backward country don't understand that time is money. Chinese people do understand that, and that's why they control most of the wealth in this country and the local people stay poor-- but do manage to make it to church.) 5. "We have to have a party and invite all of our relatives." (OK. I've seen this before. You say that 50 people will show up to eat at my treat and it will be more like 200.) 6. It will take 3 months to plan the wedding. (What do you think you're hanging onto here? Someone that doesn't posess the same orifices as at least 10 million eligible girls?)
It's a shame, because she already had a passport and I already had a plan to take care of her immigration paperwork.
Pimpster: I am going to take your advice. Maybe there are enough girls here for me to find someone-- but I just have to get out of this town.
The most important issue here is *time.* There are some companies that want me in Taiwan and the agent to whom I'm speaking says that they want someone *now.*
Clandestine,
There are indeed some fabulous LT women in PI, but it takes a huge amount of time and effort to find the rare diamonds in the rough. If you are going to Taiwan to work, it will take you much less time to find a Taiwanese girl that is beautiful (lovely white smooth skin), very business capable (Chinese) and sexy (tall & slim). I don't think you will look back! Taiwanese have had more western exposure than mainland PRC women.
Clandestine,
DO NOT marry these filipinas who have been dictating to you. In fact, get the hell out of town and grab that job in Taiwan IMMEDIATELY. You write as if you are a US Citizen. Stay single, unless you want to be enslaved emotionally & financially forever. Dont even tell them you accepted the Taiwan job. Just say nothing, and leave w/o any contact info. You will be able to make a rational decision later on, and be thankful you got out.
I think that you are going way too fast in your courtship(S). You're not buying a new pair of sneakers here. Get out of RP and if you meet a Taiwanese, fine. I was married to an ABC and now a Filipina (from RP, but had "nannied" in Sing and HK). I wrote to her for 2 years (and others) and finally met her in HK; came back to HK every other weekend for 10 weeks. Then when she took leave to RP, I spent 8 days with her and also time with her family. Never took anything from me, got pissed cause I sent her too many "gifts", usually T Shirts or other goodies from my trips in US. Had a couple of people I know "over there" (both Filipinas) meet and hang out with her, gave their approval that what I was seeing was legit. Finally proposed in April 2001 and still wasn't sure I was doing the right thing cause it was happening so fast.
Take your time. Don't tell them that you are "looking for a wife". After you get to a certain point in a relationship, then discuss marriage.
Clandestine,
I have hesitated chiming in here because you seem like a lost cause. IMHO you're a shipwreck waiting to happen, steaming along in uncharted waters unaware of the reefs in your path.
You have asked for advice on this board, and, to extend the metaphore, many navigators have stepped forward. If their advice seems harsh, please understand that it is driven by concern for you. I am (as others seem to be) aghast that you would consider marrying any of these girls who are playing you.
Your latest post indicate that you may be learning this for yourself. Keep it up, keep your eyes open and your skepticism piqued. Take your time.
I would go ahead with the party plans. The bigger the better. Then slip quietly out of town just in time to catch my flight out of country, leaving them holding the bag.
Sorry if this seems harsh to you.
FD
Clandestine:
Like Firedick, I've hesitated to comment on what has been an interesting dialogue, only because the advice offered has been so consistent, and it's similar to anything I would advise. As a rule, I would suggest strongly that any woman of 26 who is still tied so closely to her family is bound to cause you severe problems later on. She's probably been conditioned to act as their meal ticket, and nothing you can say or do can change that.
I do no know why you are so eager to rush into a marriage with someone you barely know, but I think the same rules should apply here as would apply in the US, Europe, or wherever you come from. Tread slowly. Choose carefully. Make no rash decisions and, to extend the navagational metaphor, remember that the sea is dottted with islands that you can find easily before choosing one on which to live.
GE
I'll keep it simple,
Over the past year I have come across more Filipinas than I can handle, manly on Yahoo Chat.There just about everywhere and I can't shake em!!!. Am I the only one?
This of course is not a bash against them, but my goodness! How much is too much? I'm not really interested in meeting any at this time because my focus is more on Thai Women
P.S. Clandestine, Come on man, snap the fuck out of it!!! this is a [b][size=+2]SEX[/b][/size] forum. Go and get your dick wet!
[b]MeatMan[/b]
quote from clandestine
(people in this poor, backward country don't understand that time is money. chinese people do understand that, and that's why they control most of the wealth in this country and the local people stay poor-- but do manage to make it to church.)
you also forgot to add that people who think that time is money are the most misserable people living on this planet. look at the americans and the japanese and the rest of the rich "sorry ass" countries in the world and how much they devour anti-depressants on a daily basis. they rush through their busy lives trying to scrape every cent they could so they can die alone on a pile of cash while their children overdose at some party with the parent's money. if that's living then we must be in the basement of hell.
nothing personal, i know your view is shared by many comming from the other side of the world. that's why i just couldn't wait to get out of the hell hole and "live" in some poor and backward countries.
As a 35 year old man married to a good Filipina I urge you to look elsewhere. This is bad news. Stay AWAY FROM THIS FAMILY. Good luck and take your time. Find a girl that's lived away from her family, gone to college, taken care of herself etc..
Matman,
Of course there are lots of Filipinas advertising on the web. The leading export from the Philippines is Filipinos. When its all you got, you export it to the highest bidder. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Meatman,
I have met more filipinas in yahoo chat than I could ever fuck. They love the chat rooms. Many are of the "cyber prostitute" variety, offering to expose their tits for you for $ 20 US/P1000 ($17.80US). I met a girl in Davao recently who almost immediately offered to remove her blouse and bra if I sent her $20. I told her she would hve to do more than show her tits toget me sending her $20. Imet another in Manila who asked me last week for money to buy a Christmas dress. I have only chatted with her about 3 times and did not even talk to her on the phone, but she felt I was "good for" the $$.
I like Thailand also and it was my sole travel destination for my first two years going to Asia. I was back 6 times in 2003 but skipped it in 2004. I find even the rgular, educated Thai women to be extremely avaricious. Take away the cyber Pros and the filipina is a sweet, loving lady.
Merry CHristmas and a Happy New Year to ALL.
Dragon Slayer
I do not mean to burst your bubble, but most Filipinos are as materialistic, greedy, and acquisitive as most Americans. The only difference is that their hierarchies of need are different than ours because they do not have as much money as we do. I could say much the same for every developing country in which I have lived, and I have lived in several.
It's easy to idealize poverty, but I find that it's largely incorrect. People appear to be motivated by the same wants and desires the world over, with horizons limited only by access to money and information. Thus, many, if not most Americans spend their lives in a frantic chase to accumulate ever more stuff, while here in the Philippines, people spend most of their lives trying to accumulate enough to live day by day. Middle class Filipinos however, are every bit as status conscious, label-driven and avaricious as the typical middle class American.
GE
[quote=columpuss]quote from clandestine
(people in this poor, backward country don't understand that time is money. chinese people do understand that, and that's why they control most of the wealth in this country and the local people stay poor-- but do manage to make it to church.)
you also forgot to add that people who think that time is money are the most misserable people living on this planet. look at the americans and the japanese and the rest of the rich "sorry ass" countries in the world and how much they devour anti-depressants on a daily basis. they rush through their busy lives trying to scrape every cent they could so they can die alone on a pile of cash while their children overdose at some party with the parent's money. if that's living then we must be in the basement of hell.
nothing personal, i know your view is shared by many comming from the other side of the world. that's why i just couldn't wait to get out of the hell hole and "live" in some poor and backward countries.[/quote]
you must think i can't see through your jive ass like glass. i am writing this post from hong kong, and i don't see any hong kong chinese rushing to emigrate from here to the philippines. (and i stand by my assertion that the chinese run the show in the philippines-- just as they do in many other places where there is unfettered money to be made.) nor do i see any japanese doing the same. just because you get to be the big man on mulberry street in these third world countries because of your white skin, don't think we don't know from whence you came-- and why you get to be what you are in the philippines.
don't think that bored young white people swallowing anti-depressants constitutes a nightmare situation. they do the same thing in sweden. in the philippines, i saw one agency after another charging people good money to set up an immigration package to canada. last time i was in canada, i didn't see any agencies for canadians who were trying to get right out of canada. nor does it explain why the us accepts more immigrants than every other country in the world combined-- a significant number of which are from the philippines.
Clandestine:
I am glad you are finally out of the Philippines. I could see trouble brewing on the horizon if you went through with your plans to marry either of those girls mentioned in your postings. Honestly, those girls are not meant to be married, just fucked and dropped. They got too many issues and are going to drag you down in their deep bottomless pit of woe and personal problems. You got too much going on in their your life to settle for scraps and left overs.
Nonetheless, I believe a good woman can be found in the Philippines, but only after careful selection and time spent with the girl. A referral from a "trusted" filipino friend would have led to some better choices.
As for Taiwan, we have discussed this place many times, especially about the scareness of pussy on account of race. If Taiwan does not work out (like last time), I would head back to the US on the first plan out of the country and carry on with doing your PhD.
Next time, please be open to people's advice, we all know and understand. :-)
I was on Yahoo at 3 am Manils time looking chatting with a web cam beauty. The Manila internet cafe was jammed full. Meatman says Yahoo is full of Pinays which is true. But have they another agenda which gets them to pack internet cafes at 3 am Christmas morning?
They sure weren't praying to Santa Nino:)
I concur with all of the advice offered to Clandestine concerning marrying a Filipina and bringing her back to the US.
However an extremely important issue that was not mentioned is the additional liability that an American faces when they sponsor an imigratnt's entry into the US.
I am not a lawyer and I have never personally sponsored an immigrant, however I understand from others who have that you are responsible for their support for many years, even if she divorces you of her own accord. This liability is a Federal statute and is outside of the protection that a prenup might provide.
To state the obvious, a few hundred dollars to get some advice from an immigration lawyer could save you many thousands of dollars in the future. Can you say Caveat Emptor?
GE
Not bursting my bubble at all! Of course there are money and status thirsty people everywhere, but at least in the PIs, just like the people many Central American countries, their citizens are more communal than others, living to be a part of the community rather than to rise above others. I also observe the same in many island countries, which makes these people are so wonderful and sweet.
Clandestine
Been in Hong Kong once, could not, could not, could not stand its people, or maybe I just don't like people living in huge metropolitans.
I'm very laid back and easy going. I prefer to be surrounded by the same type of people. That's why I come at least once a year to the PIs and Costa Rica and not South Korea or Hong Kong. I can see myself marrying a Filipina but not a Chinese. You are maybe the opposite judging from how you admire the Chinese and their money. This is the answer to your post: stay in Hong Kong where you belong and find a local Chinese, the PIs and it's people are not meant for you.
I think the communality of which you speak is driven more by rural poverty than any cultural ideal. I find that as people here move to the larger cities, and away from a life that requires more collective cooperation, the drive to share whatever they have diminishes. I agree with you about the genuine sweetness of the people, but again, I think it's important not to idealize, and not to generalize too much.
If Filipinos seem less driven by acquisitiveness and self-aggrandizement, it may be because so much of their national history, and the cultural antecedents of such history have been obliterated by 400 years of Spanish, English, Japanese and American colonialization. Remember that the 7,000 + islands now known as the Philippines were never a distinct country prior to 1547 or so when the Spanish arrived. Remember too, that regional differences are strong and persistent, and what's true about the "character" of Filipinos from one area may not be true about those from another. The lack of a national "ethos" makes Filipinos distinctly different from Chinese, Thais, and even Vietnamese and Loatians, all of whom came from reasonably intact countries prior to colonizalization.
All of this is by way of pointing out that the Philippines is a difficult place about which to generalize, much less to understand from the point of view of a foreigner. This is a place of mystery, and resists easy generalizations. I can say that the longer I live here, the less I understand, and the more I appreciate the diversity of the place.
GE
Over the past several months, and perhaps for a longer period, several people have commented on the inextricable ties between Filipinas and their families. Some have said—and not without reason—that Filipinas, even those who profess to love you, will always choose their families over you if put into a position in which they have to make a choice.
The author James Hamilton-Peterson, in his book about the Marcoses called America’s Boy offers some insights into why such intense loyalty is a closely-held cultural value in the Philippines. In explaining a key social concept called utang na loob, which he translates as “inner debt,” the author says that: [color=red]“This implied distinction between ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ person is extremely important to Filipinos…This may be the reason for…the ability to sell one’s self without any sense of personal loss. The loob remains unsullied…Thus a cycle of mutual indebtedness builds up throughout the vast family network…unignorable…The only way out would be to…walk away. That leads to the gravest charge one Filipino can level at another, that of being walang hiya, or without shame.”[/color]
Putting this concept within the context of the Westerner – Filipina social dynamic then, the Filipina would naturally choose her family for that is where her obligations lie. To reject her family by siding with a Westerner, she would shame herself and thus risk ostracism which might last long after the departure of the foreigner.
I claim to be neither a student of Tagalog nor an expert in Philippines culture. However, the concept as presented by the author makes sense to me, and helps lead to an understanding of the phenomenon. It may also explain why Filipinas who are in the sex trade, yet appear unsullied and “sweet” can make a distinction between what they’re doing to earn money, and who they are.
Hope that some of you find this useful.
:D
GE
It's just a 'Guy Thing' to want to fall in love with and want to take care of a woman who's young and beautiful and who seems to need taking care of ; especially if she's hot in bed and seems to actually Like the normally repulsive you
But please remember PsyberZombie's Law =
[b][i]" Never rescue a Fair Maiden who owns a Dragon Farm "[/b][/i]
I offer the same advice to any guy who wants to become some hooker's Sugar Daddy [ or even worse , her Husband ] =
The only thing you'll be accomplishing by supporting this chick is to allow her to be more selective in who she'll screw for fun or money behind your back
And if you do bring her back and move her in = make sure you lock up all your personal papers first . Because when she decides to hit the road [ notice I say [i]when[/i] ; not [i]if[/i] ] , she'll probably take a few days first to clean out your bank accounts , sell your car , and take out a second mortgage on your home
So now you can't say you weren't Warned !!
[b]PsyberZombie[/b],
Whoaaa pal…….?? Please stop your ramblings it’s fairly obvious that you have never been to the Philippines with your Neanderthal nonsense here – tell me were you on the pipe when you wrote that? I thought we had enough clowns on this thread without bringing more to the circus – just where did you get your information?
Now let me correct you on a couple of points; the reason why guys go for Philippino girls is because they are very [color=blue]“loyal”,[/color] the same way that as many of you have attested is that they look after their families, and nine times out of ten, they are also loyal to their husbands.
I have been going to the Philippines for 17 years odd and whilst I will admit that Filippinos are somewhat naïve to the wider world, but generally they are not by nature devious. I have travelled widely and been to many countries and I always get the cell numbers of the girls I meet and when I call up Thai girls the first thing they ask is: “How much you will pay me?” Whereas when I call up Philippinos they reply: “What time & where?”
I recall a guy who married a Philippino woman, around 30 years his junior, who went on to develop Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and he made a deal with her that she could and leave him and begin a new life when he became too bad to look after. I and many others were impressed because this woman looked after her husband until the day he died, visiting him regularly whilst he was in care. And remember this was an attractive woman who had many guys after her but she still remained loyal to her husband despite the temptations. I have heard many other such stories of Philippino girls and this is why so many [i]fat old men[/i] travel to the Philippines because nine times out of ten they can find a partner who will accept them for who they are and in most part remain loyal.
Contrast this case with a British woman here who recently flew back from Spain to the UK with her 82 year old husband and dumped him at a hospital with a note, strapped to his chest, asking someone to look after him. Then callously flew back to Spain to resume her lifestyle.
For more on this story: [url]society.guardian.co.uk/longtermcare/story/0,8150,1350427,00.html[/url]
So when you come on and talk about something you obviously know nothing about please do me a favour and can it because we are trying to raise the bar in this threat and not lower it, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about here.
Columpuss, I have been watching this thread from a distance and my best advice to you is if you really like this girl then have her visit you for a while sponsoring her and see how you get on. I have sponsored two girls in my time to come and visit me, one Brazilian the other Russian Latvian and taken a Philippino with me to Hong Kong, when I was working there and none of them were hookers, all university educated, but the only one that ever caused me any problems was the Brazilian. However, that is a whole different story, but remember inside every Philippino is a loving heart waiting to get out. I have seen more “so-called” regular girls from “all countries” who are much more devious than some of these former bar girls who do know where their bread is buttered.
[b]PsyberZombie[/b], you dazzled us yesterday with your lack of intellect as well as bastardising the English language in the process; your grammar and command of English is appalling. I have never seen commas and semi colons used in the way you have used them. There are many girls working in McDonalds in Manila and throughout the Philippines who have a better grasp of English than you. Now tell me how do you expect people to take you seriously posting such misogynistic garbage? If some of you guys knew how to treat women you would get a much better result out of them.
[color=blue][b]Jackson[/b][/color] – I can sympathise with you when you are finding yourself having to actually edit someone’s poorly written post. It must be especially frustrating when they don’t even get their facts straight.
[color=blue]Juniour[/color]
I don't believe that filipina are that loyal compared to other asian women, look at the divorce rate over there and look at the number of guys who get dumped by their import filipina. One of the things that everyone here forgets is that in most intances young filipina marrying some old guy is not that she loves him, but its her way out of hell hole end of story. Honestly, how many of those young filpinas hook up with grandpa filipino over there that have an average income, you don't. So, people need to drop that loyal shit right now, they hooking up for the $$$ and the visa. If the guy was flat broke how long you think she be loyal? Furthermore if you look at filipina in the u.s. they are just likely to leave you as an american woman. If you are looking for loyality, go get someone from china, thailand, or maybe mexico you have a higher chance of them being loyal to you. Filipino have no culture, because they have been ruled by so many different countries, so its a mix of a little here and a little there.
We like filipino because we can fucking communicate with them, unlike other women from third world country.
Junior,
Agree with you about psyberzombie. Minor correction, I think you mean Clandestine in your post and not me.
First of all, the divorce rate over here is zero, for the simple reason that there is no divorce permitted under law. Second, to assert that "Filipino (sic) have no culture," is patently absurd. The fact is, that successive years of colonialization changed the culture, certainly, but did not obliterate it, forcing Filipinos to create a synthesis of divergent influences.
For someone who comes here occassionally, samples the local merchandise and then derisively dismisses an entire country as having no culture evidences, if nothing else, a total lack of understanding or perhaps no interest in understanding. Filipinas are neither loyal nor disloyal. They are, after all, individuals and like individuals all over the world, differ from each other.
GE
Now that we are back to having an intelligent conversation here; on second thoughts yes, maybe I might have over sold the virtues of the Philippino woman.
But to be fair, ask yourself this one question: If these guys, who’s young brides have left them, soon after marriage, had married a Thai, Chinese or Mexican woman would the outcome have been any different?
I say this because it takes two to tango and from personal experience some of the guys I have seen married to Philippinos are not exactly the most accommodating of personalities and in my opinion I believe it would take a [u]very exceptional woman of any nationality[/u] to put up with some of these guys.
However, to provide a balanced view we do around once every six months see the occasional story in the media about a young bride who killed her husband just for financial gain. The last one I can recall is the case of a women and her scheming lover who slowly poisoned her husband then cut up the body and fed it to animals. Anyway, he also had two young children and the couple held onto them just for the money. What I found sad about this is that the guy was only six years older than his wife. But this is strictly in the 10 percent; for my money and I hope I am right I believe if you find a good one then you should stick with them.
[color=green][b]Columpuss[/b][/color]
Whooops, sorry must have been too much alcohol the night before. [color=green][b]Clandestine,[/b][/color] my earlier post was meant for you.
[color=blue]Juniour[/color]
Good enough,
From what I have read prior to Spanish rule Filipino were considered savage much like the Native American Indian. With no written language and tribal in nature etc.. Even their language,religion, etc are spanish base throw in some chinese and american you have the filipines. For whatever reason filipino are not proud of being filipino, they always make a point that they are mix with chinese or spanish blood etc...With an attitude like that it is easy to throw away your culture.
Juniour, well in response, I would have to say that if push came to shove I would marry a mexican or chinese lady than a filipino. My reason being that for whatever reason in those culture women are willing to put up with more crap from the guys. In chinese its a culture thing to be dominated by men and they are trained from a young age to accept their place. If you look at the chinese in the u.s. they are less likely to blend into american culture than the filipina the same thing can be said of mexican women. We are not talking about materialistic attitude or being bitchy we are only talking about with how much they will endure.
When i said divorce rate i should have said separated. If your going to marry a filipina just keep her over there. When ever I retire I plan to get a huge ass house over there find some fine looking young filipina and shack up with her for six months or so a year. NO need to bring her back to the states, besides in most instances you can provide a much better life for her over there than if you brought her back to the states. PI is like mexico, both thes countries will never amount to anything, because of the culture and government.
i am not the most experienced international traveller on this forum, but i've spent time in the philippines, japan, hong kong, singapore and, for what it's worth, mexico and canada. i've sampled women from brothels in nevada, too many amp's to count, sw from probably two dozen countries, and amatures from around the world. by far the best experience(s) of my life were with chinese women, both in hong kong and stateside. that said, i must agree with those poster's who champion the filipina woman.
i lived in p.i. for over year, and i married my first wife there. she was a couple of years older than i, i met her in a bar where she was working for drinks (and more). i would still be married to her if i hadn't been so young and foolish at the time. she was cute, smart, very hard working, dedicated, loyal and f*cked like a rabid weasel whenever i had the urge (which was often; i was 20 years old). i have posted before that she would have stepped in front of a speeding train for me. if i had ever gotten into a fight with someone in her presence, she would literally have carved them like a thanksgiving turkey. she offered to do this more than once in p.i. to men who were talking about robbing me while speaking tagalog. this was before i learned the language. (after i learned the language, i took over that chore for myself, and you should have seen the looks on their faces when this farang responded in the native tongue!).
i have known filipina women who have been very mercenary, but i have known far more who have been extremely loyal. i mean extremely loyal, tending to sick old men, changing their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], spoon feeding them and doing it all for an estate valued in the low four digits. there is an extreme culture of loyalty manifest in the typical filipina woman. they usually like americans (we have quite a history in their country and get along with most quite well with the exception of the moros in the south). when they don't like us, they have a wary respect. i had some pretty hairy experiences when i was there, but that was during the wild and wooley days of martial law.
as i said, i prefer chinese women, and i think they are generally just as loyal, but the cultural differences are significantly greater, the language barrier is significantly greater, and it is just harder to relate to and understand them, even when communication is good. chinese women are typically more attractive to me physically, although there are many filipina women who are just flat beautiful. any comparison to american or other western women leaves the non-asians looking course, crude and definitely of a lower caliber. this is, once again, my opinion.
another curious thing i have noticed (and i haven't really seen anyone mention it)... i have had very, very few cases where an asian woman is less than scrupulously clean. maybe because economics dictate that a different class of woman works "the trade" in asian countries, but i have always been amazed at this fact. the typical american or european sw can be a filthy, smelly skank, but the typical asian working girl, of whom i have sampled more than a few (hundred), seemingly sets a higher standard of personal hygene. forget mexicans; i won't even comment, other than to say that i am permanently turned off to latinas for this reason. one too many bad ones. does anyone else have any feedback on this point?
just my humble opinion.
spike, out...
I add that every filipina I've met has also been super clean, and pretty well dressed. Funny. Ask them for a picture of who they looked like when they first arrived in the USA (prior to dumping H #1) and what they look like today and it's two (2) different women. When they arrive, most come from a very conservative background (even the bar girls). Their family will pressure them into sending money every month, etc. (it's part of the deal getting a girl who will usually not gain weight and age gracefully). Their family is the most important thing to them. As they get here, they adjust to USA. The hairstyles, clothing, and makeup make them look like they grew up here. They go home and fry fish that smells like all hell, but for the most part incorporate themselves into living here. The girls I've met are all hardcore cooks when it comes to filipina foods (which for the most part are pretty good), and rice is served with most everything.
Most of the filipinas I've met will bang like a rabbit. That being said, I've known more than a few to cheat, or just dump H#1 after a couple of years. I'm sure there are guys with a conservative woman who will remain loyal.
As to loyalty, they are loyal to their family first and you second (not that that is a bad thing, but a truth). A husband to these girls is a ticket to support. Some will be loyal and some wont. You can't make a blanket statement about them either way when it comes to loyalty.
As to Jealosy, most I have met were jealous nuts. Its like dating a spanish woman. If you can't deal with a girl acting like a baby once in a while, don't get involved. Again, this isn't meant to stereotype, just inform of my experiences.
As to manipulation. They will manipulate you. The culture they come from has no problem asking for money. No problem at all. Their family will call for money, beg about problems, etc. It's part of the culture (an unattractive part). The girls don't have a problem with age, because they look for stability and financial ability in a husband. Just a truth.
For the most part, they have redeeming qualities. The problem is that many are screwed up in the head. Just my opinion.
Thanks for your very articulate and reasoned defense of Filipinas. I agree. Most are fiercely loyal, and will literally love you to death. I have just come from a New Year's Eve party, comprised largely of expat men and their Filipina wives/girlfriends. What I saw there reinforced everything you said. Once a Filipina decides she loves you, God help anyone who tries to get in between.
GE
I was married to a flip for 7years had great wife all sept the sex, she was a virgin good girl and would not do anal would try bj but would stop to jack me off ot finidsh.
I dated and LBFM here in the states 4'11 95lbs loved to fuck anal bj deepthroat,. the works nice lil spinner, but had an attitude and issues so i booted her out the door.
Sure wish my first wife fucked like the GF or the GF had the attitude of my first wife lol.. would love to had them both hehe.
Oh well my take is ALL flips are insainly jelouis. but some can make great house wifes and some can be great at sex - I am looking for the mix of both worlds - I have looked at some dating sites like cherrybloosoms and started chating with young ladies I am looking for qualities in my ex wife that I could hook up with and maybe teach her to be more sexualy like my GF.
Any thoughts? On grabing a nice young spiner virgin and trying to teach her to be a ***** in the bedroom. Anyone done this with anyluck? please report your story and if you tried it and it failed please tell us about that.
One of the things that I don't think you guys fully appreciate about filipinas or women in third world countries are the fact that they will be loyal to you, do this and that for you while you are their husband, boyfriend in their country. Consider that you have a huge advantage "think of yourself as donald trump", over there where you can provide a way better life for them. You must never forget that you are their meal ticket. Guys who suggest that filipina are way loyal should look at the number of guys that get dumped once the girl manages to get on her feet upon getting to the u.s. Sure you can cut and splice and say well I know of this one instance where the guy was dying and his wife was taking care of him, but that is the exception versus the rule. I would agree with you that if you in your late 50 or early 60's and you marry some young 20 something butt ugly uneducated filipina chick and bring her back to the states, chances are that she will stay with you if your personality isn't shitty. If however you are 50's something average income, and she a fine honey, she going to be out of there as soon as she gets her papers.
If you look at the broader picture, more guys get burned by filipinas in everyday life and even on this board. I will state this again, if your going to hook up with a filipina its better just to keep them over there, where they will be loyal to you and think you as a trophy husband, hell many of them will turn a blind eye to you cheating on them, because if they leave you their not going to get jack over there. They rather put up with all sorts of shit, versus going back to the life where they came from without a future.
I met a filipina over the net. She was beautiful I went to meet her she blew me away. I am in my early 20s and so is she I just love Asian pussy that has not been Americanized.. She fucked my brains out. Over the next months I spent thousands of dollars on her and her family phone cards, school, medicine, food and fishing equipment etc.... What was my reward two STDS one which will be with me for the rest of my life. Its called HPV though not fatal from time to time it causes little lumps of painless flesh to grow on the one thing that made me proud, my above average..... well you know the rest. This is not a attack on the filipinas or the Philippines cause the woman are wonderful and the hospitality of the country is like no other but if you get involved with one those ladies follow the highway signs proceed with caution.
I hear what you are saying, but I believe you are painting the whole of the Philippines with a very wide brush here. Yes, l agree many guy do get burned but as l have said in an earlier post, ask yourself if the same outcome would not have happened had they been married to any other nationality?
The truth is despite the poverty and other factors you forget that this also happens at home, there are many girls from let’s say [i]Redneckville[/i] who move to the big cities and get into relationships with much older guys solely for the purpose of a better life or financial gain. Just look in California, some babe hooks up with someone much older of status and she says its not about the looks but he has a great personality, like no one else has their own personality. But as in this situation and in the others with Filippinas it’s a case of buyer beware. Look any guy who goes to the Philippines or any country for a short period, with the intention of getting married is asking for trouble. You can see these people on flights to and from the Philippines and unfortunately many are not worldly wise. You don’t need to be an expert to see that these marriages will not work out.
For my money Philippinos generally are less mercenary than many other races of girls you will find, I have heard more good stories than negative about Philippinos. The worst I have seen is the Russians, followed by some other eastern Europeans. Some Russian girls don’t even pretend to be in love with the guy and yet some of these guys still go ahead with marrying these girls, trying to make a go of it and these girls can be very ruthless.
Basically, my advice to anyone considering marriage is first take them out to dinner, not to a bar, but neutral ground and see how they behave to other local people, the restaurant staff, etc. If they start barking orders at the staff and ordering expensive items that they play around with on their plate and don’t eat or finish. Take my advice here get rid of them.
Second, if they pass that test and seem trustworthy and you still want to pursue a relationship then before marrying these girls is let them come and stay with you. I know some people quibble about the cost of paying for a ticket but let me assure you that $2,000 will cost you a great deal less if the relationship doesn’t work out. You will see the true side of any girl when she’s staying at your place.
The one down side of [i]Filippinos[/i] generally is that they are quite naïve to the true extent of other people’s intentions. As I recall from personal experience, when I took this Cebuano girl with me to Hong Kong, ten odd years ago. What you will find is other devious Philippinos will either try to take advantage of them or try to manipulate then to their own advantage.
The message here is that there are many good ones to be found but you have to look to find them.
[color=blue] Juniour[/color]
Hate to disagree with you but I know dozens of Fil-Am couples, most are guys in their 40's on up with wives in their mid 20's on up and haven't seen what you describe. I belong to a larger group, MAG-ANAK, perhaps thousands of couples, and know of maybe 3 breakups in the last 3 or 4 years. I don't know the people involved, just have heard of the break ups. The only Fil-Am breakups that I know of persinally are a couple of American guys dumped their Filipina wives (early 50's, the ladies) for younger women, one of whom was a 29 YO single Filipina nurse (guy is an MD).
But hey, if she does go splitsville, lick your wounds, save up $2 Grand and start the "interviewing" process all over again, LOL. You only live once!
Juniour,
I'm not stating that every single filipina are gold digger, but I firmly believe tthat if you marry one and bring one back to the states that is half way attractive and your 10 to 15 years older than her, you might as well get a divorce lawyer ready. As I've stated before that if you plan to live over there or have a relationship over there and keep things over here, you have a huge edge over them, justs keep thinking of yourself as Donald Trump rich. The moment you bring her back to the states the tables get turned.
You mentioned tha women in the states that are from the sticks will hook up with much older men that can provide for them, which I agree with you 100%. But how often do you see young attractive women hooking up with grand pa age guys that make an average income, that is something you should ask yoursel if you elect to bring a filipina back to the states.
If you must mary a filipina and bring her back to the states and you only make an average income I suggest you marry an older one without kids and not an attractive one, prefereably without any high valued skills. The reason behind marrying such a filipina, is quite simple the playing field will be at least fair for you.
You have given some great advice about getting to know a filipina over there, I would like to add that I would not marry her, instead apply for a fiance visa, she is allowed to come to the states and you get 6 months to test drive how things are. If she shows you attitude, you buy her a one way ticket back to PI, which is much cheaperr than losing out in a divorce.
Why can't men just monger without being married?
I don't want to disappoint those who have "hearts of gold."
Wake the fuck up! Monger and enjoy your lives. Why bring a stranger into your world and risk a chance of ruin it. Does anyone put a gun to your head and ask you to get married? I thought this is a forum for those who made the mistake of getting married and now enjoying life by banging around the world. Take my advise, do not follow the church, we are still animals. Even them are not dumb enough to get married.
Gents
I shall be in Manila next month. I have arranged for a yahoo babe to stay ith me. She is meeting me at my hotel at midnight and staying the night. I have agreed her two female friends who we meet the following afternoon can tag along on our trips outside Manila and on meals too. I am promising love and eternal devotion; she is promising the same. Bottom line: what are my chances of a. fucking her; b. her friends. How does this entire scenario look?
Muy amable
[QUOTE=Domino]Gents
I shall be in Manila next month. I have arranged for a yahoo babe to stay ith me. She is meeting me at my hotel at midnight and staying the night. I have agreed her two female friends who we meet the following afternoon can tag along on our trips outside Manila and on meals too. I am promising love and eternal devotion; she is promising the same. Bottom line: what are my chances of a. fucking her; b. her friends. How does this entire scenario look?
Muy amable[/QUOTE]Domino,
I am in the same situation. My yahoo honey is coming to Makati to see me and said that she is bringing her friend with her. She said we will have a great time, I said no, let's just sit and relax, drink and eat room service. She said yeah that sounds more fun. So I'm wondering the same thing, I'm going to try to get them both.
All the yahoo girls say that foreign men chat with them and talk dirty to them, asking them to take their clothes off. I say that I'm shocked, and they all think I'm a nice guy.
I will be in Manila Jan 7th-10th, coming from Tokyo, my home, I'll make a full report. I'll also be there in February, basically on Japanese holidays.
I agree with everything you say. To this I would add that such factors as education, social class, and economic background are also important predictors of the direction of relationships. That is, finding a girl with some decent education, from a middle class background, who holds a "normal" job presents a rosier scenario than picking up a girl in a bar and proposing marriage. Most rational guys I know would not contemplate a long-term relationship with someone they know only through a bar scene, or through Internet chatting, if the entire exchange took place in the West. Why would anyone think that such a situation would be any more favorable over here?
The best advice is to invest not only the money, but the time in getting to know the girl and her circumstances, whether the time is spent here or there.
GE
Again, not what I've seen/experienced. New Years Eve was at a party of all Fil-Am couples, maybe 15, and 2 older Filipinas (50+, one was HOT, other was decent, both going through divorces, one from the MD). Not a "dog" in the bunch, was amazed at the beauty (again). This is part of the crowd I hang with, get together maybe 6-8 times a year. There are many other such couples here in the NY/NJ/PA area, most of the guys are in average income bracket.
Funny thing is, the only one that I don't consider attractive (wasn't there that night) is married to a mailman, he makes about $60K a year, and she is the one who is making him miserable.
Of the New Years group of guys, two are making $125+/year, the rest of us have seen better career days.
When I was rolling in the dough, maybe 4 years ago, made 3 trips to RP and got tired of the mongering. Decided to settle down with a nice Ilocana that I was visiting with in HK and Ilocos.
During those trips, met 8 or 9 "penpals". Had the Ilocana and one in Cebu as my main companions. When I decided to marry, it was between those 2 and the Ilocana was the winner. More "traditional". Remember, I was also afraid of getting burned, getting divorced, etc.. Took my time, but it was still quick.
Some of the ladies I met on my first trip surprised me, since I only knew what I read about their culture. One was going to travel with me, but too "clingy". And while I thought it was going to be one way, she was still a virgin and I wasn't going to tangle with that on a whim. Another met me on Negroes with a chaperone, we had a chaperone everytime we were together. Her mother loved me and her father (a lawyer) scowled at me and was very "cool". Just the way it should have been, as what I had heard/read.
So for the guys meeting the girls in MNL, you might be in for a surprise. One girl I flew to meet me in Cebu, as I had missed her in MNL. Got her a room over her protests that she would stay with me, said "she trusted me". Good thing, not a party girl, great marriage material, but I was already interested in someone else. She became a good friend though of me and my now wife. She did cut all her hair off though when she heard I was engaged! Not bald, just very short. Wow! What a place.
But I also had my fun in the early days, did a lot of "takeout" and others that I met who were less "traditional". Had a great experience with an IT Magager I met on the way to Cebu from MNL. I was on my way back from HK, you know, changing terminals, double security checkin and was dying for a smoke. As I'm heading to "Tinderbox" at the end of the terminal (not the old domestic terminal, the new one), I can see this great pair of knees/legs from about 50 feet away, but nothing else. Decide to drop my bags at the table when I get inside, she says sure and off we go to Cebu (this is like my 5th day in RP). Lost her cell#/e-mail, but she wasn't my type long term, I don't think. I think she could have been maybe one of the ones Pimpster is alluding to, maybe not, but too "westernized", I think.
Anyhow, if things don't work out the way you expect with your pen/chat pals, smile, say "nice meeting you" and hookup with someone else, there are plenty to choose from.
Or even do "takeout".
Sorry for the typo in my last post (and in future posts, LOL).
Be careful painting with a broad brush, and remember, if you go to the bar girls, you should know what the motive is.
Personally, I married a Filipina 10 years ago. She was born and raised in the provences. Came to the states in mid 20's. I met her here. She F*cks like a bar girl, but treats me like a king. Her and her family treat me better than my own family.
Like the other post said, She also finishes her BJ with a HJ and only lets me CIM every long while.
Bottom line, My Filipina is a dream come true (your right about the Jealousy), but we met under "normal" circumstances. You look to pay for play, you'll get what you pay for.
Domino & Asobihodai,
I met and fucked many women from yahoo chats, including my gorgeous lady here with me now in So China. As to the friends!!!. You have to desire a "danger tour". It could possibly be done but the problems far outweigh the benefits of this.
Now some advice from the Slayer. Can just reject this if you like. I have been going to Asia for 17 years now. I am on my 80th Trip now from USA into Asia. In So China and will be in Phils in a few days. Met many women in the Phils over the years and met many on yahoo chats the past 18 months. This is just my advice Pals. If it does not suit you, toss it. But I would feel bad if I did not try to assist.
First, always be a gentleman when talking with a lady. But over a few days or a week you do NEED to bring sex into the chat. That is ONLY if you want to be assured of getting laid. You could otherwise end up with the girl saying, "oh no, we cannot do this. I can have sex only after marriage". It has happened to me years ago on several occasions. Not anymore as I slowly work this into our internet and telephone conversations (I always get phone number and telephone them also). Amazing how easy it is to get the lady to agree to fucking you relentlessly once she feels comfortabe with you.
Second, DO NOT be so willing to have her friends tag along. This will do two things,again from personal experience over 17 years:
1. You will spend a hell of a lot more money. Amazing how much these girls can eat and drink when a foreigner is buying. Once had a girl in 1992 show up in Cebu with her sister, brother and cousin(I had reluctantly agreed to ONLY her sister and she promised me this would be all.). They immediately insisted on eating. As I drank coffee the 4 of them consumed 8 meals and several mango juices.
2. You will probably NOT get fucked literally (you WILL get fucked figuratively and BIG TIME). Ask yourself how you will get laid with all the girls there. No, you will not have an orgy. Again I know from experience. I had one and only one exception with the lovely Odessa, age 19 in Cebu. I finally consented to her bringing her cousin along Oct 2003. I sucked her tits in my room at Metropolis Court Hotel and she stroked my cock as her 18 y/o virgin cousin watched. Twice the cousin stepped outside the room as I fucked her.
Insist on meeting alone and tell the lady that you will be happy to meet her friends in a day or two when you are relaxed and not so "nervous or shy"(sex starved). IF she holds tight to the friends tagging along, drop her like a very bad habit.
Third, have a backup plan. In other words other young, hot, available pussy to meet if your first lady goes wrong. DO NOT hang with her and her many friends simply because she is the "only game in town". I always have 3-4 women that I can meet at each Place. Again, I learned this the hard way years ago. I even had a few occasions when the girl did not show up due to some excuse, personal problem or whatever. Once, it was she found out her filipino bf had gotten her pregnant. Other times the girl simply got "Cold Feet" and did not show. In the Example above in 1992 I ended up drinking at the Hotel Bar ALONE and going over my List of phone numbers of other ladies there. I got lucky on the second call and a hot 18 y/o showed up. Had to do some fast talking to explain why I waited until I arrived in Cebu to contact her.
Last February 2004 in Davao i had both Annie and Celeste meeting me from yahoo chats. Both were lovely and hot and a "sure thing". Still, I had the co-ed, Donna, as a backup. She was in the lobby telephoning me, wanting to come to my Suite with her gf. I kept her cooling her heels there as I was waiting for Annie and was not interested in her friend joining us. She got an attitude as Annie walked in, and was immediately summoned. As she was storming from the Hotel (Annie was riding my dick), GoodEnough just happened to be walking into the Hotel lobby to meet me. He took advantage of the situation and got her phone number so her could "console" her later.
Hope this helps you both. Good Luck.
Dragon Slayer
that young beautiful flip chick who just can't get enough of your hot middle·aged love handles and your wallet wants to marry you for one reason and one reason only = to get a ticket to emmigrate to the u.s. of a.
once she's here , it'll take her only a few months before she "finds her legs" [ as they say of thai hookers who marry americans and move here ]
her 'salvation' will almost always come in the form of another man = may·be even the pizza delivery guy for starters
if you're smart , you'll just pimp her out from the get go : get her a job as an 'exotic dancer' and split the take with her [ sooner or later , she's gonna be earning money screwing other guys , so why not make it sooner and get your share of the loot ?? ]
the only 'danger' from this plan of attack is that you'll speed up the in·evitable = she's looking for a guy to replace you who's younger , better looking , and most importantly , wealthier than you are ; and she's gonna find him fast in the back of the lap dance area
soon you'll find your·self getting screwed only in divorce court . that pre·nup you had her sign is ripped up by the judge as 'co·erced' when she apparently can't understand basic english in front of him , plus she looks so sweet and young that you come off looking like a **** grifter , and so you get nailed to the wall economically by the court as your just desserts
your only consolation = her new guy is due for the same treatment soon...
Better info at Mag-Anak site, but if you decide that you have met "the one", the paperwork takes 6 months to 1 year, depending upon what regional center you file with (INS, or whatever it's called now, BCIS? depends upon your state of residence). I forget the cost of filing, figure $300 initially, then $200 to adjust status after 2 years. Other fees apply if she wants to go to work or visit "home" before provisional green card is issued (that takes about 1 year). Fiance Visa gives her 90 days to get married to the person who filed as her fiance or she has to go back home.
The paperwork/wait is a pain and just try getting a decent fare from MNL to US, LOL.
Just a couple of points here on your post about: “Marrying a Hooker”
As I expect you have never been to the Philippines, but we are all entitled to our opinions here. However, you need to define exactly what you mean by a [color=blue]“hooker”,[/color] because I have met many girls from the Philippines and other countries who do not classify themselves as hookers via internet chat rooms or who hang around in hotel lobbies to meet foreigners but they are [u]worse than hookers[/u] scheming, manipulative, crafty and devious are regular everyday traits for them. Yet these girls think that if they take someone for all they’ve got its OK, on top of a passport to a new country.
I met two separate so called “regular girls” back in September who said they were happy to spend the night with me if I we could agree to their fee and both of them had a higher expectation, than in my opinion, on what they were actually worth. One of them kept texting me all the time asking for this or that, could I top-up her cell phone etc, saying she would stay all night with me if l would give her 2,000 Pesos (U$36/£20/€28). As I had been out her and two friends previously I said that all three of them were not worth 2,000 Pesos in my books and only worth 1,500 Pesos (U$27/£14/€21) for them altogether. The difference between these so-called “regular girl” and a hooker in my books is that hooker is usually cheaper and much more honest about what she really wants.
These girls didn’t consider themselves to be hookers and looked down on bar girls – now what’s the difference here?
[color=blue]Juniour[/color]
In the Philippines, as in most developing countries, and in developed countries too, for that matter, there are women who explicitly or implicitly sell sex for money and there are women who do not. What's the difference what they call themselves, or how we label them? They are what they are. Among the women "who do not" there's a large group that would willingly trade a measure of devotion, loyalty and abundant monogamous sex for a measure of security and a life style of a higher quality than that which she could find elsewhere. Are such women also hookers? If they are, then what are we?
The debate over how to label people is, I think, non-productive. What's more productive, in my opinion, is to decide the set of factors--overt p4p, the trading of material goods for good sex and loyalty--that you're willing to accept, and then live with it. Regardless of the basis for the relationship, so long as each party derives most of what she or he wants, then what's the problem?
GE
Pals,
I have to comment here. Too good to pass up. As a young guy on my first Trip to S E Asia 17 years ago I met a Thai Pro age 22. Sweet, innocent and the most cunning, manipulative,devious demon I ever met. I kept in contact vis telephone calls/letters for three months. Returned, spent 3 weeks with her and we married at the end of the third week.
It was easily one of the 2-3 biggest mistakes I ever made in my entire, not so young, life. ONLY reason it is not the biggest mistake is that her Marital VISA took a very long time and she was gone on to the next SUCKER before it ever got approved (close though as we actually went as far as the required medical exam at the specific Bangkok Clinic names by the US Consulate.
During the 14 month we were togethe she got me for about $10,000 US and moved on when another Foreigner surfaced offering her new fun/$$$. This turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. I wsh I knew where I could find this guy so I could buy hi a few drinks, new sports car, condo in hawaii, etc.
Find a decent women to marry. Take the time necessary for what can be the biggest move in your entire life.
Dragon Slayer
Juniour writes =
[quote][i] " However, you need to define exactly what you mean by a “hooker”, because I have met many girls from the Philippines and other countries who do not classify themselves as hookers... I met two separate so called “regular girls” back in September who said they were happy to spend the night with me if I we could agree to their fee... [/quote][/i]
Uhhhhh... i hate to be the one to break this to you , Juniour = but if a woman is charging you money for sex , then she is [b]NOT[/b] a "Regular Girl" ; she is a [i]Hooker[/i] !!!
GoodEnough isn't in·to 'labelling' people , but some·times these Labels serve a legitimate purpose . I for one have no problem labelling girls who sell sex directly for money or drugs as 'Hookers' , in order to facilitate discussion of this group of people
Hookers fall under a Bigger Category of chicks we mongers call [b]'P4P Pros'[/b] ; or you can call them [i]"Gold·diggers"[/i] if you so desire
GoodEnough asks =
[quote][i]" So long as each party derives most of what she or he wants, then what's the problem? [/quote][/i]
The 'Problem' , my dear GoodEnough , is that the women in these trans·actions are Con Women ; and the men they marry are un·witting dupes who end up getting fleeced , used , and then dropped like a steaming turd when a better pigeon comes along
And if you don't see a 'Problem' in your fellow Mongers getting emotionally and financially destroyed by some scheming hottie , may·be YOU should marry a Hooker and experience the devastation First·Hand
But I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy , let alone a good friend like GE
I don't want anyone hurt; not the girls and not the men. My point, please remember, was that both people need to get what they want from a relationship. If the "old" guys get duped, is the girl alone to blame? Surely these guys must have wondered prior to committing themselves. Surely they must have done some research, or consulted a resource much like this one, or discussed the situation with friends or family.
What you say is true, in some cases, but not all. The fact is, that neither you nor I can predict, with any accuracy, the course of any relationship. One girl's "I love you" may be sincere, and another's might not be. Who are we to judge, and how are we to know? I have a friend who has been married for more than 20 years to a woman working one of the bars in Patpong. They have three kids, and they have a great relationship. What does that prove? Nothing, except that sometimes stuff works. I'm sure we all know people in the West who appeared perfectly compatible, got married, and got divorced in a matter of months. It's all a crap shoot and all any of us can do is to reassure ourselves as much as possible.
I wonder Psyber, who is conning whom?
Stay well.
:D
GE
Thanks for clearing up that point for me, I am still not convinced that you know what you are going on about here, because you have such a warped view of women in general. However, I have recently been chatting to someone via the pm. I explained to [color=blue]John05[/color] that I had a friend who married a Russian girl from St Petersburg, when he brought her back home she wanted a car because she didn’t like public transport, then when he suggested she help clean up the home, they lived in, she said that he should get a maid because she wasn’t coming from Russian to clean up after anybody as she wasn’t a maid.
This was a girl who could only use public transport in her native Russia and lived in a typical one bed run down apartment with her mother, sister & two kids. Then when divorcing she was determined to try to claim half of the home as well as having taken out various loans; it was all rather messy affair but this type of story is common with Russians. John05 told me he had a similar experience.
My point here is that whatever you label Philippinos there are many good ones to be found, I would suggest you actually try visiting rather than generalising here and open your mind. For my money your best bet is a Philippino, especially if you find the right one. So once again I would suggest that you don’t label the Filipinos as all hookers because you clearly do not know what you are talking about.
I have met more good girls than bad ones with good hearts that I can trust, I suggest that you re-read my post to Pimpster.
[color=blue]Juniour[/color]
I've been watching the latest thread with some curiosity. I've been with the same filipina for better than 10 years. I've been caught more than once with the so called hand in the cookie jar but I'm happy to report we are still together, seemingly as happy as ever with all assets intact.
What I can offer is based on my experience.
1. If you choose a filipina, it's much better if you decide to reside in the Philippines as opposed to taking them to your country. That way, you remain the trophy, as opposed to the other way around. Think about it!
2. As much as possible, keep the family out. If it means building them a house in the province for about 50,000 pesos (less than 1000 USD), by all means do it. Get it sorted early on in the relationship that you are not a sponsor to her family. Much easier if she has experience already working overseas and has seen how much of a leech the family can and will be once someone is willing to travel, work and send money home. If she has never left the philippines before, she won't realize how much the family can literally suck the lifeblood from a relationship.
3. Filipinas are great provided you sort out the first two items. They are very much family oriented and until they actually experience first hand the leaching phenomena (sp??) they won't understand that although you earn a good salary, it's not meant to support her whole entire fucking family. This is a tough one.
All said if you do find a good one, they are awesome. Do anything for you, care for you more than you could ever imagine, and generally shag you better than any P4P you could imagine. My missus, will still feed me in bed, do the wake up BJ thing, give me a great rub down when we shower together, etc, etc. This is after 10 years together.
On the other hand, I still mess around on the side, cause as a guy, I have to be a guy, but still have difficulty finding a gal 20 years her junior who can match her in the sack.
My only real advice is if you want a Filipina, be prepared to spend some time here. It's a great place to retire, if your in that position, but I don't recommend it for someone who is still trying to do the business thing. It's a ***** to try and do business here if you are not completely in the know. I've done it and luckily succeeded, but if I had to do it over again, there is no way in hell I would attempt it again.
It's a tough call, but the potential for striking gold is good, but only if you put the time in. I've yet to see the internet romance work for both parties, but who knows, it may happen. Myself, I would rather put the time in on the ground in the Philippines first.
Thanks DS. I do have back up plans in hand. We will only be going to Baguio for a few days so if things smell bad, I will simply switch hotelsand disappear. (not for the first time).
Others: on the broader issue of marrying these ladies, let's all agree there are considerable general risks involved. Who could blame any of them for wanting out and, let's face it, there is something mercenary in "rich" Wesrerners maerrying poor Asians where one side holds al the economic cards and is not prepared to accept in the right spirit what little the Asian may have to offer.
I am now in Pattaya, Thailand and, as always, I am half bowled over at how nice the personalities of the "ordinary" women I meet here are. I went to my favorite souvenir stall, bought nothing but tipped (she works 11-11 and is an angel). I got an in house massage (no sex and tipped (she works 11 am- 1pm). I admire people like that who can stil lsmile. But I wil not marry them as too many complications.
Also Dragon: I find it interesting she wants me to sponsor her friends, not her relatives. Thati s problably how she gets brownie points and, as hteir life is shit enoughm, it is cool and welcome to me, up to a point.
[blue]Juniour[/blue] notes =
[quote][i] " So once again I would suggest that you don’t label the Filipinos as all hookers because you clearly do not know what you are talking about. " [/quote][/i]
Far be it from me to suggest that ALL Filipino women are Hookers
I'm just saying that P4P Pros are the type of women most American Men [ especially American 'Sex Tourists' ] are most likely to meet / meat
... and they should be Extremely Skeptical if that gorgeous young Hottie wants to Marry them , because the ultimate consequences for the guy could be Quite Costly . That's all
I know I wrote to 200+ girls over the years; they came and went. The first contact I made was with a young lady from Davao, over IRC back in "95 or "96. She worked at the now out of business Weblinq, so she was able to chat regularly. Told me from the start that we would be friends, she wasn't going to be marrying a "foreignor". Every once in a while I would send her souveniers from my son and my trips over here, just simple things like postcards and T Shirts. It bothered her that she couldn't respond in kind and she asked me to stop, which I did. Lost track of her in 99, turns out she got married to a Filipino. We reconnected in 2001 and I visited Davao for the first time (thank you God for Davao, LOL, and my friend, otherwise I'd have deemed it too "dangerous" and never visited).
OK, long winded, but the above example shows some traits that I learned to look for in a potential friend.
Another of my first penpals was from Cavite, but after a few months of writing got impatient. Actually several did. Only 1 ever tried to scam me. I later met her in Davao (she came down from CDO with a chaperone) and she was "sweet". I think some of her friends pressured her to call me to ask for $$ for a doctor. Actually it was quite funny. A reverse charge call at 2 AM (she never could figure the time difference out, LOL), probably $35 at the time. I asked her what was wrong, "she had an accident" and needed $$ to see a doctor. I asked "what type of accident" and there was whaispering in the background, then "I'm sick". Hmmmm. "How sick?", whispering, then "I have a cold and need P5,000 for the doctor". "Sorry, no way, bye. A couple of days later I called her and she claimed it wasn't her, LOL.
I had a beautiful young lady that I "was in love with" in Cebu, spent the better part of 40 days with her. Another guy that I'm great friends with was dating her sister and vouched for her and the family (great family, especially "Momma"). First night I'm there, I say that I need to get some cargo pants, so we go to "Pants Off" at Ayala. After we're done, we're looking down from 2nd Flr to cellphone kiosk on 1st Flr, I tell her I need to get her some "phone cards"; I have no idea what they are, but she's been using her sister's to talk to me. Then I say "Wouldn't you like a cellphone?" and she says "Of course, but they cost so much". Being in from BKK and ahead of budget, I figure why not. As she's looking at cells, this old German dude it trying to tell me about a cellphone sale on 3rd Flr, all of a sudden he says "Mein Gott, are you going to let her buy that?". Turns out that my honey's eyes had drifted from the P4K phones to the P14K phones, which we bought (strike 2). I went to HK the next day for a weekend visit to my Ilocana and when I came back found out that she had been robbed of the phone and her sister's gold necklace on a jeepney in Colon. Over the next 8 weeks, I really enjoyed her company, but she wasn't anything like the one I eventually married. Said she loved me, but when my (now) wife said it, I "know" she meant it. My friend who was dating the sister told me later that he figured early on that I was falling for the Ilocana (he's rich and figured the 2 of us could "save the family". He also married another). The gal in Cebu eventually "fired" me so I was free to propose to the other. There were enough "gut" feelings to tell me who was the right one. So far (3+ years) it has been working and like another on here said, other great benefits too. No one else compares and I've tried many in the past.
I will also say that with the exception of the the con-girl from CDO, all of the gals I met were great. I believe that most were honest (was friends with a really cute 18 YO in Davao though who was engaged to 2 guys at once, courtesy of her father, a "pimp" in a Filipino friend's words, who tried to auction her off to the richest guy). You just gotta use your brain; if it doesn't feel right, run, don't walk, away.
A little trivia for those who don't already know.
During the American Civil War a certain yankee called General Hooker provided ladies for his troops. His brothels were in Washington D.C and the girls were called Hooker's girls. Hence the name.
I think this topic is already done to death. Let's leave the poor naifs who get fleeced by these avaricious,scheming con artistes to their awful fate!
GE
Im married to a good filipina now, but I had to learn to use my radar properly after a few dicey relationships I managed to escape in Manila and Cebu. The first one was insanely jealous, screwed up home, cut her wrists etc. She had a good heart and did love me, but it was just too intense with her baggage and jealousy so I bolted. I've met and know many angels in the Phils.. You just have to have your radar in order. I'm still a Dirty Dog though!
Well, based on your last post, there’s no questioning of your intellect here.
[color=blue]Juniour[/color]
I think Unifun had it right. Most westerners think that when you're married to someone, you and she are #1 to each other. To a Filli, you're like a junior member of the family. Parents first, children next, siblings after that, and spouse fits in wherever ... Short of shopping in the orphanages for a bride, it's a chump's game.
Are there good Fili wives? Sure! I know one. I also know several bad ones (still married) and quite a few now divorced from their UK or US husbands. And don't go on about all the good Fili wives you met last week at the US-Fili club you belong to, you know perfectly well you'd be too ashamed to show your face if your Fili wife walked out on you.
A friend of mine met a Fili in Manila, dated for a year, got engaged, etc. -- she was back home after separating from a US husband. When the divorce came through my friend did the dumbest thing possible -- married her, adopted her two kids from the previous marriage, and (here's the killer) moved back to the US. In a year they were separated, in two divorced.
He's still got the two girls. Mommy comes to visit twice a month and takes them shopping for an afternoon, that's it.
Cross cultural marriages are almost always a problem -- fitting your oversized American body into a Fili family is a tough fit.
[QUOTE=Uninfun]
Most of the filipinas I've met will bang like a rabbit. That being said, I've known more than a few to cheat, or just dump H#1 after a couple of years. I'm sure there are guys with a conservative woman who will remain loyal.
As to loyalty, they are loyal to their family first and you second (not that that is a bad thing, but a truth).
I have met 3 Filipinas since I have arrived here for my college friend's wedding. They have a couple of boyfriends abroad that they constantly e-mail. These guys are Americans that pay for their rent, clothes, etc... I was surprised that they were so frank about these things with me. In the meantime, the guys do not know that these women are plying their tricks behind their backs.
For those of you who decide to support these women, watch out. Anyway, these girls, even though I treated them with respect, have given me a low opinion of Filipinas, at least those who ply their trade around the Makati area, where there is a plethora of foreign businessmen. At least with Mexican women, through my limited experience, I find that they tend to be more truthful about matters with regards to the heart.
Planning on marrying my filipina but having thoughts of possible problems. Family is poor but own land and farms and not asked her for one dime in about 18 months. I have been generous with her and had her quit her lousy 7000 peso job and bought her land, initially I did it as an escape so when I left she would have something from me tangible. Never asked me for jewelry or watches or clothes. Of course I bought her but never too expensive since I did not want someone ripping her off. She is not faking since we spend virtually every minute together. Here is my question ,she has 9 brothers and 2 sisters and the thought of me supporting or bringing in the whole family makes me il. She of course says that no way but I know the filipina values family over husband, plus one child, which she says will stay with her mother in the province. What do you experienced Filipino watchers say are the chances of her being honest to me.(she has been truthful to me and we talk constantly)
Sounds OK to me. I would take her at her word and you also have some actions to already judge her on.
My wife used to get upset if I "splurged" on her family (bought a cheap fridge for their farm P9,000) and discouraged me from sending her gifts. I did insist on giving her money after her return home from HK to pursue the K-1 paperwork, but she only accepted enough for her trip to Manila and St Luke's expenses.
We did send her family $100 for Christmas in the past, but this last year money was tght and we sent P3,000 from our last trip.
I made a $1,000 "loan" to help her brother set up a roofing business 2 years ago (but her kuya also forked over P50K, we split the cost); I will probably never see payback on this and did not expect it. Made another loan in April 2004 and this I expect to see soon, if not all in 1 payment, then perhaps spread over 4 payments.
Discuss with your fiance your expectations on family support if she works. This is an issue with some couples I know here. Be as clear as you can, but sometimes when we think things are clear, they aren't.
In any event, if there is a serious emergency (and I'm sure there will be), be ready to assist. Sometimes it's not the whole enchilada, just P1,000 to show that you care or are willing to help. Your future wife can help you figure this out.
Marc25,
If the thought of you supporting the whole family makes you ill, then do not marry her. Because the likelihood of you supporting them is high. They are poor but have land. Are they farmers who can till the land but need some money to start off for farming equipment? If your girl is quitting her job (cuz you want it that way), what is going to do for monthly expenses? Unless they have a way to become financially independent, you will be the primary source of help. Of course your girl says : No Way. She feels that way. But what happens when they are in need of money, say, for food. Can your girl be the only that eats while the rest of her family starves in front of her? How would you behave in her place?
Sound as if you have one great girl there. That of course should be your first and greatest concern and it seems that you understand that very well as you have maintained your relationship with her.
If she has a child that will stay back at home, something girls are all to willing to do in the PI that I do not understand. As you have stated and seem to already know you will most likely be expected to support the child and at least one if not more of the people taking care of this child. I'm sure the Mother would at least feel this much responsibility.
I am currently helping a girl and her child so that they can make a go of it for the future. I will not support her forever and she knows this. I insist that she take English classes now, so that she can go on to school when the child is three years old and can stay with a sitter or nanny. I do this because I knew her in the past and some guy knocked her up and doesn't care to be involved or be responsible. So I am helping out. I can tell you that her family owns land and in the past she had sent money home to help. She was not a gogo bar girl, but worked in Hong Kong for many years.
However, this girl hasn't sent any money home in over two years and told her family she would send no more money before she quit. They haven't asked that I know of. She has purchased them presents at times on the standard holidays, but never anything to expensive.
The point is that some girls will not support their family. Not sure how they escape this social weight and why they do not feel obligated like others do, but they do.
I have read other stories and know guys married to Filipina's who have the same stories.
It does happen, but you still have to take a little leap of faith in these situations. As I'm sure you know, nothing is for sure.
Good Luck,
FF
Let's see, when I last lived in the US, which was a long time ago, the divorce rate was about 50% and edging higher. When I lived in France, which was more recent, the divorce rate was about the same and fewer and fewer couples were choosing to get married. I sense a trend here. Why pick out the poor Filipinas for scorn and abuse? The fact is, if a Westerner marries a Filipina the risk of divorce is high, but probably no higher than if he had married another Westerner.
Yes, cross-cultural marriages are hard. The frames of reference, the socializations, the values and expectations are different; often radically different. [color=red]I've made this point before and I will try to make it one more time: the odds on establishing a lasting relationship increase dramatically if you can find a "non poor" middle class, reasonably well-educated lady.[/color] This should hardly be a surprising revelation. Most people in the West marry within their own socio-economic class. In fact, if most of you heard of a well-educated, financially secure guy marrying the daughter of a subsistence farmer from some small, rural town, you would probably be fairly disdainful of the relationship. It should then not be shocking that many, if not most such relationships to not work here either.
One other point about "land owning" families. Most families do not actually own the land, or anything else. Rather, it's historically deeded to the family, or rented to the family by the local Datu or landlord. Land titling here is completely screwed up, and few clear titles to rural land exist. The odds are good that, though a girl's family may have been farming the land for generations, it does not own it. The chances are even better that the family borrows heavily, from the landlord, prior to each planting season for seeds and fertilizers and then repays the loans with most of the crops grown, only to borrow again prior to the next planting cycle. That's pretty much the way that the rural system of perpetual serfdom works here.
GE
Thanks for your reply, I know she owns the land Spanish land grant, 1/16 spanish. She is going to the top school in the Phillipines I told her if she can pass I would send, loves school, studying wants to be doctor, I said nurse so you can support me and I get check, no check I divorce you next day, up to you, I said. She said okay.
I am sure she will pass nurse program in the states and plan to do a prenuptial . I am also resigned to the fact that we may break up but feel what time we have together is so wonderful it seems a shame to let it go. I do not need her to work at all, my lifestyle will not improve with her income but it makes her more educated , sucessful and would make me proud of her. She worked two jobs, she went to school full time and bought 3 farms so I feel she has some class irregardless of her poorness(first in her family to go to college or leave the farm) I am expecting the worst and I let her know that and yet I miss her company, I am in thailand ,by myself and have almost no interest in another woman, it is getting me worried that I actually care for her deeply. She has told her family that once she leaves the pi she will not be able to send money as we will need it for our family. I guess nothing it 100%, but I remember a friend of mine worth 1 billion US and married to 5 billion " buddy no one gets everything they want , no one , there are always tradeoffs" wrong quote , what he also said"before you marry be 100% sure , do not doubt". My two frieds decided to marry in one and three day respectively. ONe of them married a 40 year old professional bar girl. He of course had never been to the PI and went down to get a Fiancee visa to the first woman he went to bed with because the sex was so good.
Now he is supoorting seven people and of course before he went he said he would not even think of any girl who has children as he has raised his children. I tried to talk to him but he will not listen to anything negative about the most wonderful woman in the world. He has given her a credit card (two) and her limit is the same as his. OH well. I see real disaster but know he will not listen, my girl says he is in a dream and does not want it wakened.
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning on marrying my filipina but having thoughts of possible problems. Family is poor.....
Never asked me for jewelry or watches or clothes...
...she has 9 brothers and 2 sisters and the thought of me supporting or bringing in the whole family makes me il. She of course says that no way but
What do you experienced Filipino watchers say are the chances of her being honest to me.(she has been truthful to me and we talk constantly)[/QUOTE]
Marc,
I think that “the chances of her being honest to you” are respectable based on what you included in your post.
That said, I don’t think that the real issue here is her honesty but rather the inevitable financial emergencies that will confront her immediate family over the years.
First let’s estimate how large her family will be once her siblings are all grown. If each of her siblings has 2 children (22 kids), her parents and her existing child you are looking at approximately 25 individuals.
When these individuals are faced with a financial crisis (hospitalization, medicine, school tuition, etc) they will look to the family member who is married to the foreigner since he is rich. She will either have to pony up the money as required or appear to be completely un-caring of the very serious problems facing her parents, siblings or child. Even in the West, this would often be a difficult request to refuse if you were several orders of magnitude richer than the rest of your family. Imagine if your sister were married to Bill Gates and your parents needed an expensive surgical procedure that wasn’t covered by their insurance and she said “fuck-off and die.”
However, in the Philippino culture, unlike ours, it is always expected that you would always provide what ever you have to a family member who for whatever reason needs the money more than you do at this moment. They view their assets as being community property across the entire family.
I have heard numerous stories where a Filipina goes abroad to work for several years as a domestic helper or “entertainer” and then returns home with a nice nest egg only to face the expectation that the first “crisis” faced by any family member will be solved by her turning over her savings. These things are not an option in their culture unless she is willing to be disowned by her family.
So in the end it comes down not to only whether you can trust that she is being honest about her feelings, but also would you want to put her in the position of not behaving in the manner that would be expected of someone in her financial position.
Any·one who has any substantial Net Worth knows how to get out of giving away that net worth to all the moochers who in·variably ask
You should sit your little Filipina wife / GF down and explain how this works =
Any·one who asks for moola gets a 'sob story' about how in spite of all the trappings of wealth you possess , you are , in fact , deeply in debt and have NO Liquid Assets to spare . Consider it a 'White Lie' ; and don't forget to tell wifie No More Vacations or Jewelry will be possible if you relent [ hopefully this too will be a White Lie ]
This should be easy to pull off , especially if you are in the U.S. and the mooching family is across the Pacific Ocean
If you really *do* have substantial net worth , to the point that friends , family , and even people you barely know are constantly hitting you up for 'Loans' or 'Investment Opportunities' , you may have to resort to the next level of Deception , and do what Yours Truly does =
Enlist your Accountant to be the Bad Guy for you
When·ever some·one hits you up , just give them your Accountant's name and phone number and tell them she'll fix them up
When the Mooch calls , the Accountant gives them the Sad News that in spite of all appearances , you are actually just one step ahead of getting every·thing you own re·possessed and how all your credit cards are maxed out [ All LIES ]
Because the Bad News comes from a third party , it seems that much more believeable
And the dozen or so hours I get billed each year for this 'service' are more than worth it in the long run
Try it !!
As of last Sept i spend half the year in Cebu for work. I've been here 3.5 months since Sept. I've messaged with I think almost 100 girls through filipinoheart.com and met scores. Trouble is I'm married, so this method does not work very well for getting laid. My wife is never able to come to the Phils 'cause of her work back home so I'm alone for 2 months here-- my SOB story if I were not to get laid for 2 months.
It is VERY easy for me to have girls here attracted to me, but of course it's too much work to go behond friends cause they know I'm married and I won't lie.
I've spent too much money in bars so that's not my thing anymore.
Question: it would seem to me that "adultfriendfinder" would be a great place to meet freelancers in Cebu. Any have ideas about that. If it's true for Manila than probably also for Cebu. Angeles is another story. There are "freelancers" posting alll over the dating sites from Angeles.
If a filipina wants to have your kid and fucks on your first time meeting her, only after extensive chatting and phone calls for 3 months, she definitely bad business right?
Not necessarily.
Deleted, bad taste.
I just got a PM asking me how I managed to delete the post from Wil Kil. I do not have the power, the authority or even the interest to delete anyone's post. It must have been the administrator who decided that it was inappropriate.
GE
[QUOTE]However, in the Philippino culture, unlike ours, it is always expected that you would always provide what ever you have to a family member who for whatever reason needs the money more than you do at this moment. They view their assets as being community property across the entire family.
I have heard numerous stories where a Filipina goes abroad to work for several years as a domestic helper or “entertainer” and then returns home with a nice nest egg only to face the expectation that the first “crisis” faced by any family member will be solved by her turning over her savings. These things are not an option in their culture unless she is willing to be disowned by her family.
So in the end it comes down not to only whether you can trust that she is being honest about her feelings, but also would you want to put her in the position of not behaving in the manner that would be expected of someone in her financial position.[/QUOTE]Regarding para1, you may not be expected to cover all of the expenses; when there was a death (actually happened twice in last 18 months), we had my wife's kuya contribute P1,000 on our behalf each time and reimbursed him, everybody was ok with this.
Regarding para 2, the OFWs or OCWs get screwed by everybody, in many cases including the family. It's very hard to work in Singapore (usually less $$ thna HK and 1 day off a month), HK or elsewhere for 2,4,10 or 20 years and then return home, soon to be broke, but it happens all the time.
Elsewhere on WSG/Philippines there was a post, mostly of generalizations about marrying a Filipina and the importance of "family" support. I think the poster was confusing Thailand with RP (I've been to Thailand but really only know about the culture from that week (nada, LOL), what I read on "Stickman" and elsewhere. Choose xarefully and you will be rewarded; choose foolishly and you will be punished cruely....but then divorced and free to choose again, LOL. And the choosing (interviewing!!) may be the best part of all!
As Harvey WB says, quite accurately, it's difficult to generalize, and the extent of familial responsiblity depends on the Filipina with whom you're living. In my case, I've known my girlfriend for about 14 months, and we've been living together for 6 or 7 months. Never once, in all that time, has she asked me for a centavo for her family. Harvey's advice is right on the money. Choose carefully, and be careful.
GE
[QUOTE=Wander Luster]As of last Sept i spend half the year in Cebu for work. I've been here 3.5 months since Sept. I've messaged with I think almost 100 girls through filipinoheart.com and met scores. Trouble is I'm married, so this method does not work very well for getting laid. My wife is never able to come to the Phils 'cause of her work back home so I'm alone for 2 months here-- my SOB story if I were not to get laid for 2 months.
It is VERY easy for me to have girls here attracted to me, but of course it's too much work to go behond friends cause they know I'm married and I won't lie.
I've spent too much money in bars so that's not my thing anymore.
Question: it would seem to me that "adultfriendfinder" would be a great place to meet freelancers in Cebu. Any have ideas about that. If it's true for Manila than probably also for Cebu. Angeles is another story. There are "freelancers" posting alll over the dating sites from Angeles.[/QUOTE]Did you join these sits as a paying member or did they contact you?
I can't see any Filipinas paying $30 a month.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]
In fact, if most of you heard of a well-educated, financially secure guy marrying the daughter of a subsistence farmer from some small, rural town, you would probably be fairly disdainful of the relationship.
GE[/QUOTE]Not if she was a cutie 20 years younger
I would be more interested in if she had any sisters : )
Hey Wanderlust,
Can you pass on some of those 100s of email addresses. Surely you don't need all of them. :-)
I noticed that Cherry Blossoms is cheaper. Why did you pick FilipinoHeart?
In response to GE's post about marrying within one's own socio-economic class, I dug up this old article from the IHT.
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/13/opinion/eddowd.html[/url]
As a frequent reader, I do get a lot of chuckles from some of the comments I see here concerning the trials and tribulations of potential relationships with Filipinas. Just as anywhere else in the world, there are class levels, this country being no different.
For all of you that haven't cracked the code on finding the gal of your dreams, start with these little snippets:
Bad Filipinas
Bar girls in general come from broken homes, destructive relationships, or have financial burdens to friends, family, coworkers, etc. They can and will fleece you approximately 98 percent of the time if they can devise a way to separate you from your pesos in the interest of having a better life than the bare existance that they currently live. That's not to say that they are bad, but a lot of them (not all, so don't flame me) want to get out of their problems and you are a walking ATM machine.
They don't have a clue about the western world except what they see in movies and the lies told by family members so they will hook a fish like you so that the girl can send as much money back to their greedy friends, lazy brothers, jealous aunts, etc in as quick a period as possible.
Don't get me wrong! There are some great bar girls that due to their circumstances resorted to the bar game. I know one that has a 4 year degree from a top school, is smart as a whip, and is still a virgin. Her dad really needs 30k PhP in medical treatment a month to survive. The family can't afford it, this girl works two full time jobs just to make sure dad gets the treatment he needs. That's called dedication and if you were sick and were on the deathbed, I bet you would hope that you had someone looking out for you that was that dedicated.
There are exceptions to the rule in most societies, this being one in particular. In this one 95% of the wealth is controlled by 3% of the population, and there is a wide swing between the average working stiff that trudges through life and the Ayala's and Lopez's of the country.
A general rule of thumb on bad ones:
They have a hard time speaking english.
They spend every peso they have on load for their cell phones.
They act with the maturity of a 10 year old (ok well some of the college grads do that too lol)
They dont save, nor care to, even though they may be bringing in 40k to 80k PhP a month in bar fines and drink slips.
They cant spell college, nor do they want to.
Their interest is on how fast they can trick you, the sucker, into separating them from a barstool so they can spend your money.
Their expectation of the western world is we live in mansions in LA, have maids, yaya's, drivers and you probably haven't admitted you have a corporate jet and unlimited cell phone accounts for them and their bar friends to whisk away to St Tropez or other exotic locales.
They want a house full of kids, but they arent sure about how they are created. Sex education wasn't on the list of requirements in the province, but they are sure happy if they can use them to seal the deal with you in short order.
Their friends are money leeching fools that would steal a red hot stove if they thought they could get by with it.
Look for those traits and investigate carefully before a relationship progresses with those sorts of gals. Remember not all are, but a lot can be determined by reading the list above and quietly observing their behavior.
Good Filipinas
There are tons, literally thousands, of well educated gals here that would like someone intelligent, witty, charming and successful. They really could care less if they ever left the country. Mom, Dad, Grandpa and Grandma have sent them to the best schools from an early age and doted on them to make them the cream of the crop. These girls are NOT spoiled, they are a great catch.
They have a high degree of refinement and poise, and they are as easy, or easier to get in the sack than the average jaded bar girl and one hell of a lot safer relationship wise. If you are into marriage, this girl will go to the ends of the earth for you to make you happy and is enterprising enough to mulititask career and personal life better than any western girl you could meet.
There is a downside to this though. If you are a one night stand sort of guy and woo her till you get her in the sack, then dump her, expect Mom, Dad, Grandpa and Grandma, if any of them hear of their cute little coquette being defiled to work on making your existance a living hell, i.e., left in a Cavite cane field maimed or worse!
I have seen several instances of smooth talking Westerners going down this path, working slowly on separating the young, innocent, college educated professional gal from her knickers to end up with their life ruined. If you are married, they can and will find out all about you.
Basically, they leave a relationship with a Westerner alone if the daughter is happy, unless the daughter has some sort of dowry / investment that they are eventually going to be responsible for (read as the family fortune, and some do guys). In that case, as soon as they get wind of you with their precious progeny they can and will send a message subtly if they don't like you. If you don't get the message don't be surprised if it gets escalated so you "get the point".
I know all sorts of women here. Currently I have a DeLasalle grad that would do the world for me, has a decent income, drives her own car, and has traveled abroad. She is a tiger in the sack and constantly improves on her technique to perfect her relationship with me. That's total quality improvement guys, find that in your average street strumpet. She will eventually go to the Wharton school. I hope she doesn't leave here too soon because she is that great and I will miss her. I'm sure knowing her that she will fly back just to see me every chance she gets, because I am the man of her life and she is that sort of old fashioned gal.
As I said, its just as easy or easier than landing a bar girl, and a lot more intellectually stimulating. If you are really wanting a partner, I would think you want flawless english, a brain on her shoulders, and a little class that she can impart on your potential future offspring.
Where do you find these darlings? In businesses, in nice restaurants, Rockwell mall in the evenings is a great place. There are real stunners out there that are Ateneo University students in the grad program. Try Seattle's best and you will find girls working on deadlines that would like some worldly advice and stimulating conversation. Try the restaurants on Friday and Saturday night after 9 and sit next to a table of coed kitties and strike up a conversation. Their english is as good or better than most Americans I know because they have been speaking it in their households since birth. The reason: Upper class Filipinos look down on Tagalog as a useless language unsuitable for business. It's a class distinction, not snobbery. These girls are groomed to be a catch for the right man. That man could be you.
Any top university setting (DeLaSalle, Ataneo) will provide you a literal cornucopia of fresh, clean, talented, well read, westernized muff free for the taking. No bar fines, no rough talk (except when she tells you what she learned by reading the men's column in FHM in your ear in the sack and wants to experiment)
Sure, it takes a little time, but its not beyond reality. In fact, if and when she falls for you, I guarantee much more devotion that you could ever believe. This is a land of romance, even at both levels of the social spectrum! I get gifts all the time, cards, free dinners and thoughtful praise. Compare that to your average street strumpet.
I don't know about you, but after a couple weeks of rhythmal grunting between the sheets you need a little more intellectual stimulation than just bar talk. Maybe you don't and I wish you well, but at least look before you leap guys!
For those of you in town for short periods of time and want to make a quick sperm deposit, I commend you and offer you the following suggestions:
Air Force One in Paranaque has good selection, but the women there have been spoiled by Japanese and Korean clients and think they are prettier and more sexy than they actually are. I find better quality from most chicks on Burgos in the sack dept, but AF1 has better lookers in the face department.
Skyline Massage has a great fishbowl to pick from if you come early, wait too late and you can get leftovers.
Stay away from streetwalkers, they can be very dicey with regards to the health quality of the product they are serving. If you like gifts that keep giving, be my guest. I personally don't like Russian roulette.
If transvestites are your game, the street behind the Manila Pen (the one on the entrance side) is full of them 2 blocks toward the Burgos direction after 9pm. Not my bag, but there are some lookers out there after 12 when I used to drive back home. This town has an astonishing amount of gays for some reason, which I suppose is societal acceptance. Anyway, if it is for you, that's the place.
Burgos is fun, with Flamingo being the best price to quality ratio. Yes, Billboard has the lookers, but along with that the attitude and high prices. If you have a few drinks in Flamingo with the girl, the barfine drops. Ask mamasan there after you have bought a few drinks. Of course, if you are the sort that walks in, and demands a girl in 5 minutes after arrival for take out, then you get the bar fine. I normally pay around 1000p, how about you?
High Heels down toward Jools on Burgos has some quality leg, but they are too pushy with the drinks. When they push on you, just pull your receipts out of the jar and ask for the check. That normally shuts them up quickly and the waitresses recede into the dark.
Personally, I love Boracay, but bring your own women. There are just too many stories from my friends being pickpocketed and / or just plain robbed in their room from some of the fine lovelies you can come across in Cowabungas and the Pier there. Bring someone you trust, and have a great time. It is indeed a beautiful place and well worth it for a weekend.
Hope this clears things up, and Good Enough, you are a genius dude. I hope to meet you soon here after reading your posts for months.
Ricksan
Great post man. I agree with every point you make. In fact, I have noticed somewhat of a predictable cycle with guys who live here. That is, when they first arrive, most guys (myself included) cannot believe how much available pussy there is in one place, and begin to sample as much and as many and as frequently as possible. A couple of months of this however, and the whole thing starts to get a bit stale, and guys start to long for a partner to whom they can actually talk and with whom they enjoy spending time outside of the sack. This is when they start to discover the "good filipinas" to whom you refer in your post.
Everything you say about Manila is equally true of Davao, where I live, and probably for other cities as well. The fact is that being loved by a dedicated, smart, educated filipina is almost a zen experience and one that I would heartily recommend for anyone coming here for more than a couple of weeks. Most of the longer term expats I know feel this way, and would not trade places with anyone. They're just too content.
If you're going to be in Davao, let me know and we can get together for a beer or whatever. I'll send you a PM the next time I plan to be in Manila which should be within the next couple of weeks.
GE
Ricksan,
Your post is very simply outstanding and I do not know how it could have been said any better. What an outstanding amount of information you have provided our fellow brothers and i am sure many will put it to good use. Again thank you for such a well written and informative weath of information! A toast goes out to you!
GE,
Thanks for your response. After reading the threads in most of the Philippines area of the board for almost 2 years I see the same themes over and over. I couldn't help myself finally and posted just to clear all the rumors.
The posts fall into the same areas constantly:
1. Where do I get laid?
2. What hotels can I trust?
3. What is the shortest distance on the map between the International Terminal to the puss of my dreams I have been hearing about?
4. Is the quantity true, based on what the 5000 other guys have already contributed to the board?
5. I found that she (read as the street strumpet they picked up the first night, in either a bar, mall, on the street, taxi, bathroom, fell out of the sky in their lap, etc) was uneducated, ripped me off because I was naive, spent too much, was from Mars, etc.
6. Cant believe the postings of guys like you in the board, even though there are thousands of them, they must be all false.
7. Are too blind to read and belive all the other posts in here.
My thoughts on these subjects lead me to believe that people reading the boards really dont read at all, or don't get it when after all the rants, raves, etc. there are on here to convince them, they act like they (the poster) are the first person on the planet to ever find out about filipina muff, or we all lie to them as a hobby.
I wonder how they made it to the net to begin with. Each week there are tons of postings on here, and they still ask the same questions over and over like its not to be believed.
Then, when they get here, and most of them want quality, they end up missing it by picking up a girl thats dumb as a box of rocks and get jaded by day two. I just shake my head with the logic. Why rush? And at least if you plan out wanting to come over here the first time, do your homework for christ sake!
Now I will be the first to agree that the average western male is completely fed up with the Brown / Vassar educated set that lives like their puss is the temple of gold and males should bow at their feet! Womens liberation of the 70s ruined the US, and it spread to Europe quickly.
Ask most Philippine destined males what they really want and they admire the attributes of the girls here:
Quality muff.
A return to a simpler time, where women knew their role, being a lover, friend, confidant, etc. with an innocence of a Sandra Dee movie (no I'm not that old either guys). Its like a return to the 50s / 60s here though.
A woman that is confident being a woman, not proving she has to be a man and is happy with that.
Good family values in their mate.
Long term prospects in most cases. (And for those of you wanting just to make sperm deposits that is an easy commodity to find here)
I personally think we should just have a link on the board that you can click and download all about hotels, exchange rates, the taxi ride from the airport, what to bar fine, where to go, etc. It seems like 90 percent on the Makati board is the same things over and over. Hey, save them time with a one line link to the download, on to sharing adventures on our sport, eh?
The Manila board is 90 percent reports on LA Cafe (oh pleez can't we get creative, I know every mole on these chicks and their middle names by now). Guys there are hundreds of bars in this town, and lots of watering holes where the young panties abound in copious quantities. Work with me here, I feel like we are the sahara of sex sometimes.
Now most guys back home know how to find quality puss, so at least reeducating the masses on what quality is here shouldn't be hard. I'm all for good, hearty, wet, sloppy sex but I like em as fresh as springtime. Rent a holes are easy to find but hard on the mind and wallet.
Most of us have been down that route, with the constant text messages, the midnight phony rings, constant babbling about why didnt you call me every 3 minutes, etc. Save yourself the sanity. The girl that does this is the same one that if you marry will nag you till hell freezes over. Isn't that what you were trying to escape? Girlfriend hell back home?
If not, may I direct you to the local trailer park on a friday night (bring 6 cans of panty loosener and have a ball, save the airfare for more loosener).
I find the average Filipina to be a more complex creature than estimated in general on the board. Good for us, bad for them. They don't realize how they are in our sights most of the time, but most of you are jaded by the ignorance of the easy ones out there.
To me, its easier spending my time on the quality one, and less time on the painful ones. I would rather have them chase me instead of me putting up with their juvenile games. Hence, why I finally posted.
I wish you all well, and happy hunting for what you desire. GE, I have to make it down to Davao to see how things are, after the Abu Sayaaf response dies down.
Its a matter of time before they blow a few things up to payback for the recent prision massacre of their cronies to make a point up here. Of course assigning that Maria Ressa of CNN to a more fitting post (i.e., Afghanistan) would go a long way to calm westerners fears. That woman makes like there is an Abu Sayaaf behind every tree in Manila, which is NOT the case.
I commend the mayor of your hamlet. I think he gets the point about the whole situation and there isn't as much of a problem there as there is going to be here in the next few weeks, after the holidays and the troops go home, then the fun will begin for sure.
Ciao,
Ricksan
Ricksan: A nice eloquent essay. You seem to stress universities a lot, rather too much imho. To me, Atteneo etc are only into producing parasitic snobs who can share out the good jobs, power and influence between them. I would pity anyone who got stuck with one of those sheltered violets.
On recent journeys to that God forsaken archipelago, I have bedded several university students but, sad to say, my performance was not of its usual stellar quality. This is because I feel sorry for these kids and their families who are trying to do the best they can under the circumstances that the Atteneo etc leeches lay out for them. I am sure their families are more into fixing them up with a fellow leech than pawning them off to passing mongers like us who imagine we are hot shots.
There is no doubt that a guy looking for love should have the Philippines high on his list. But there is no free lunch there either. It is such a depressing, God forsaken place that you can only become a financial straw for these desperate people to grasp at. I personally admire them and marvel at how they can keep afloat there.
Prostitutes are, to use the cliche, fallen women. Guess all we can do is make sure they do not fall on us. I reckon the high TV/TS rate in the Phils is down to its desperate situation as well as to the fact that women hold the country's social fabric together.
I will be making a series of visits there over the coming months. The p4p ladies I have seen are among the best and cheapest I have ever seen. They will do till something better comes along. And that something is not a violet from the hothouse of Atteneo or De La Salle.
[QUOTE=Domino]Ricksan: To me, Atteneo etc are only into producing parasitic snobs who can share out the good jobs, power and influence between them. I would pity anyone who got stuck with one of those sheltered violets.
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Domino, I think your generalizations are way too broad and, for many such students, wholly inaccurate. "Sharing out" the good jobs and the power is more a function of the calcified social structure here than of university training. Your sweeping statement would also include those students...several from poor and lower middle class familiries...who perceive the value of tertiary education, struggle to pay the tuition, and are determined to forge better lives for themselves. I would bet that there are more in the latter category than there are in the "sheltered violets" category you mention.
I make this contention simply because I work with dozens of graduates from these institutions who come from modest families and have no inherent access to power or influence.The people of whom I speak---many of whom are women---achieved what they have strictly through their own capabilities and hard work. It's unfair to denigrate what they've been able to do by ascribing their achievements to family connections.
Having said this, it's true that 98% of the wealth of this country is controlled by about 2% of the population, and that the disparities between the rich and the poor are enormous. However, it's not the universities that perpetuate the disjuncture in status and power, it's the socio-political system.
:D
GE
ge / domino,
agreed that some of the college babes have an attitude here, but most of the time it is a front designed to keep you at bay. in other words if you are the kind of guy that looks like you are a lecherous hobbyist, then they aren't interested. these babes can be very astitute to that, which is half the fun.
you have to come at it from a different angle.
first, while it can be true they can be not as experienced in the sack as the average schoolyard variety burgos strumpet, remember they arent as experienced either. this equates to they can be very eager to please and you get to set your expectations.
they quickly rise to the challenge if they fall head over heels for you. this is a very accepting society and girls are taught to obey males, which means for you that quickly they will be even better in the sack with less chance of fatal flaws, disease, etc. than the average street strumpet. finesse is key, money is the death of these relationships.
i learned long ago that this country has a few major exports:
pussy
educated service talent (highest amount of nurses, accountants exported in the world).
bands and entertainment troupes (seen all over asia)
actors, actresses (bit parts in us and eu)
oh yeah, and beauty. (top ten beauty queen rankings other than us over the last 30 years)
did i mention pussy?
so don't think you can't find quality, it just takes time and a little patience.
the old "wad of bills around your crank" approach will not get you very far, though it does speed things up at greenbelt and burgos.
as far as attitude, well remember they can see through you if you try the following tactics:
my wallet is fat and i can spend money. they could care less because you will dump them, pregnant, alone, confused and having to explain to the parents.
mom and dad got that in their head early on that most westerners are pigs that will hurt them if they drop panties early. you have to convince them its their idea. 2 weeks at most and you are in good standing. one night and chances are they are freelancing, lied to you about their profession as college gal, etc.
my investment this weekend was a total of 1/2 order of pizza and walking around at the mall for 2 hours to get some fine sex. schmooze and you don't lose. most outside mongers here read about bar fines and they think everyone has a price tag, some girls dont, they just want some conversation. you can steer them to your abode for movies and cokes and then get in the panty unveiling mode.
some colleges here are the equivalent of high school. so when a girl says she is a student, remember that some of them are in tier c schools, way down the list of educational requirements of the tier a and b schools. tier a being delasalle and ateneo, tier b being up and ust type ones. from there it drops way off quick, also the girl attending tier c will most likely be from a non-manila area which means she is provincial, i.e., not worldly and potentially very catholic in upbringing. they wear uniforms at those schools, not the tier a ones, because the tier a want independent thinkers.
the real good ones have plenty of time and want to be in the sack, just that they want to be with a trustworthy guy. they are one hell of a lot better in the long run.
did the class queen back home at the top university drop her panties for money? hell no. dont expect any different here unless for some reason her parents really couldnt pay for school. they have pretty good programs here to subsidize when they need to for parents, kinda like an investment annuity, and it takes care of most needs. a top tier school girl wouldn't dream of turning tricks.
yes this is a two class society, filled with haves and have nots. ge hit it on the head that its the top socio economic tier that has the power. i have met them and know their attitude, as if they invented money in this country. the fact is they were real lucky and had grants from the spanish to get a head start.
anti trust laws are unheard of here, but a strong prime minister / parliamentary govt here would clean things up much like what they did in malaysia. most locals just throw their hands in the air with the problems and say "who can we turn to?". they are right, 3 edsa marches and countless politicians routed from office, a new consitution and still things are the same. crooked govt, payoffs, back door deals. dont blame it on the schools. it is at a much higher level.
the true elitist babes dont even go here for school, they go to stamford, harvard, u chicago, carnegie mellon, etc. directly from here because they are groomed from birth as a birthright they are expected to run multi billion dollar empires.
dont blame the schools for the social situation here, its the class system.
ricksan
Ricksan:
Well done and right on! The problem is, I think that (understandably) those who are here as short term tourists do not want to invest days, or perhaps a couple of weeks, in going after this type of woman.
GE and Ricksan (--san? is that Japanese?),
Great posts!
Anyone who doesn't invest a little time in the non- tourist/p4p scene is really missing something special about the Philippines. They are friendly and they speak English. I love Thailand, but the language barrier makes RP a better destination for me. Many of my best travel experiences and best photographs happened outside of the tourist/p4p situations.
GE: I dropped into Davao and "I shall return". I am on record here as saying they are the best looking hookers I have ever seen. (Ok if we exclude this Copenhagen brothel I holed up in the early 70s when you guys were still at mama's nipples; man that waaaas something). I can see why you guys would be so attached to the Philippines which I first visited in 1990 or so and which left a lasting impression on me. It is a great country and Domino might, in time, even relocate there. He will be spemding several months there over the coming year.
He will not be spending it with the Atteneo and De La Salle fakes. They are products of the Salesians and Jesuits, both of whom specialize in producing dimensionless fascists and justify their own moral hypocrisy by saying the pampered brats they spew out of their universities for snobs will change society for the better, in time. I, as you may have gathered, disagree.That is from my observances in Latin America and elsewhere where I saw the same snob factories produce the same dimensionless nothings.
My last night in Mexico, I took my ultra rich French Mexican gf out for ther afternoon. We spoke about French literature (which I love) and I used some of my elementary French which, being an inveterate snob, I also love. It was a wonderful afternoon, the type of weather where only a classy, slightly chilled white will do. That night, after a tearful farewell, I left her and went with my maid to a party in some slumland she lived in. (I needed an armed escort in and out). The party was for some old couple who had been married for about a million years. It was wild and great fun. It sprang from the soil.
Blood, music and tears. Give me a proper wine, a full bodied daughter, raven headed, full breasted molded from the soil with a butt handle worth grabbing. Spare me the anorexic zombies of the snob factories:)
thanks domino. i often disagree with your posts, but i do find them very witty, informative and sometimes hilarious. actually, while you were holed up in the danish brothel i was probably still in grad school, but i assure you i had been weaned by then. in fact. we're probably approximately the same age. be sure and let me know when you plan to return. it would be fun to argue the merits of jesuitical education while watching lovely young women take off their clothes here in davao.
it's true that you're not going to find graduates of atteneo discussing fleurs du mal with you any time soon, and that they probably think rimbaud was a character played by sylvester stallone, but i do not think you're using the appropriate standard of comparison. as far as i can determine, regardless of the tertiary institution, the whole western oeuvre, or maybe i should say western culture in general, is simply not taught here. literary analysis, textual exegesis, or analytical thought in general, is not highly valued, and the education offered here is more pragmatic, more utilitarian than in europe or the us, and it's much, much more superficial. local faculty are, in general, relatively poorly trained and teach curricula which are often outdated, egregiously incorrect, and in general very weak by western standards.
as to appreciation of wines, you can pretty much forget it. i have lived in paris for years, and wine has become an important part of my daily rituals. i've yet to find anyone here (aside from my girlfriend) with any knowledge of grapes whatsoever. the same goes for cheeses. this ignorance however, does not necessarily make the graduates of whom you speak "dimensionless," just contextually different.
this is not to denigrate the full bodied, hot blooded daughters of the soil of whom you speak. been there too. done that too. and i liked it as well.
ge
GE: Perhaps, as always, I have not explained myself clearly. Though I admire French culture, the main serving was my beloved Monique, the ultra and ultimate upper class lady. The trappings of literature, her delightful French grandmother, the trappings of inherited wealth and of fading French colonialism were only part of the attraction, part of the eternal mirage that is an upper class lady.She was the exquisite white wine - and 1930s' wines tend to be bloody expensive. But she was only an illusion.
Women are a bouquet; they are like a brandy one should swirl in a glass before drinking. Karl Marx, God rest his ignorant soul, referred to music as the brandy of the damned. He was, as ever, wrong. Women are the brandy of the damned. And give me a full blooded woman, not one of these imitation reds, these cuckolded strawberries that we daren't touch lest we bruise them.
Philippino universities, when all is said and done, are perhaps no more fraudulent than their Western counterparts; they have, of course, less resources to feed off. But it is the general society I am attacking, not the universities. Indeed, I spent some happy days in Baguio and some of that time was spent in a student internet cafe. The students there were sons and daughters of the soil. And Domino, like God in Genesis, saw it. And he saw that it was good.
So where does this get us? Keep the Salesian/Jesuit indoctrinated strawberries for yourself. Give me a warm blooded, hot headed, big bosomed, **** acting daughter of the soil to play with. And please, holy Jesus, protect me from being ever hitched up again with an upper class anorexic strawberry. no matter how genteel she may be.
Another excellent post, Domino. Maybe the women/wine analogy is appropriate. French wines, savored in France, with French food in the heady ambiance of a nice French restaurant are, to me, as good as it gets in life. Take the same wine, different company, different restaurant in SE Asia and different weather, and the wine doesn't taste as good any more. The "anorexic strawberry" thrives in this kind of hot house, which admittedly requires a sort of willing suspension of disbelief to enjoy.
Alternatively, the lusty earth woman so beloved of the Philippines and horny bastards like you and me would be at best a garish incongruity in Paris, or New York, or Rome, or wherever. She's more of a robust San Miguel beer, which tastes terrific in situ, but would not slide down well elsewhere. I think though, enjoyable as all of this is, it's no more "real" for you and me than the anorexic strawberry milieu. It too requires a suspension of disbelief. I'm trying really hard to keep it supressed as long as possible.
Just off the cuff mid-day philisiphical drivel, but fun nonetheless.
Ciao,
:D
GE
and I just wanted to compliment the truly excellent posting that's going on here. We all have different opinions, yet we can gather here on WSG in an effort to win converts and to vanquish non-believers. Domino and GE, you guys are great. It's really a pleasure to read one of your well-crafted posts.
Ricksan, you don't say much (only 4 posts) but when you do, you really open the floodgates! Slapping your balls on the table like that really helps make for stimulating discussion. Thanks for decloaking and sharing your experiences.
Having never visited the Philippines, I have no personal encounters to reflect on. I just wanted you guys to know that the time you've taken to post your thoughts is appreciated.
Ever notice how many words the French have for sheer elegance and nuanced passion? The Francophobes on this board really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, uncooth wretches that they are. So do the cheap Charlies, paying the barest minimum. There is a type of lady, one who is cultured, well dressed, well mannered and bred, who wears the finest brand name clothes (and wears them well) and bathes herself in the most fragrant perfumes, who is a joy to the eye as well as the heart and soul. For that lady, you should always keep your platinum credit card in hand. And be glad of the privilege to pamper her with whatever she wants.
There is your earthy Sam Miguel type, the honest, big chested wenches who are best taken in pairs (I am meeting stubborn resistance against 3 somes in the Phils). These ladies are also delectable though one would hardly want to introduce to the President of France, or your wife for that matter, on Bastille Day.
And then there are the anorexic Atteneo/ De La Salle strawberries. Which is what the French Revolution was all about in the first place.
France is, as well as being the center of the romantic universe, the maker of the world's best perfumes. Stop quibbling about hiring a hooker for a few pesos. Go out and buy the lady some good perfume.
Domino
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Vive l'amour;)
Et n'oublions pas joie de vivre! And of course, the French make the best wines as well, so put that on the platinum card while you're at it.
Well done Domino. Well done!
Ricksan, GE, Domino - Thanks!
Long Stoker, you beat me to it in your compliments to Ricksan, GE, and Domino. I am in the same boat as you also have never visited the PI so I can not contribute my experiences, but I can appreciate the stellar quality of the recent posts. I thank each of you for your eloquent and insightful contributions and enjoy being a spectator of the literary competition between GE and Domino.
Ricksan - Dude, your cogent summary of Filipinas was truly an afflatus, a devine inspiration. You should be proud. Further, it is testimony to powerful effect that one's words and actions can have on others, and in your case, the ramifications were very positive. Thank you.
my three cents worth on the subject of wine, women and song.
oh contrare, i would agree that while french wines have their bouquet, at least i can identify which vineyard grew those delightful grapes in an excellent napa valley wine, which i can't always tell in some of that ghastly pomerol they serve over there in the land of the pate.
the same goes for the women i have entertained in the boidoir during my short time here on planet earth. personally i love a lusty wench as much as the next man (or woman in certain circles), but the finer points of grooming, such as armpits and legs need to be considered in the francophile female.
those dainty lilies of the valley in the provincial countryside do give a hearty bellow when confronted with the likes of ricksan in the ole sack, but give me a doe eyed filipina with the promise of true lust in her eyes and the reality of a romp of their life, without the catholic voices in her head telling her its the wrong thing to do for the first time in her short existence here on earth... ah, the promise, the possibilities!
vive la france! but all bow to the filipina of your dreams, lads.
thank all of you for your praise and comments and i hope we take the board to a higher level of manuscript than the price of poontang on burgos.
after 58 foreign countries and a hell of a lot of brothels, i can attest that there is no equal to the lust of a filipina darling, properly trained and conditioned of course. it can be a lot of work, but has an extraordinary payoff for those willing to learn the ropes.
this thread explores the mind and soul of the classic filipina. i hope we can all learn more on how they tick, so we can find the easier ways to have them succumb to the sins of the flesh in marvelous ways, yet to be explored.
share stories, gain insight, and compare notes. one can only improve themselves and their love life by studying the mind (and of course body) of the young darlings of this country, and elsewhere of course.
parts of enlightenment are astonishment, illumination and insight, and not necessarily in that order.
continue the debates guys and gals, i love the discourse!
regards,
ricksan
My name is John Domino and I am a sexoholic. (Hello John). Here are my twelve steps. Perhaps you can help me:
1. The Japanese government has decimated the number of entertainment visas it will give citizens of the Philippines. Current visa holders will not be affected. Nor will those on short term yakuza controlled contracts.
2. Domino and friends are thinking of entering this market with a few pilot projects and any help or information would be appreciated.
3. We will begin by sponsoring, in a private capacity, Filippinas to fly to Japan and meet Mr Domino and his associates. This will entail Mr Domino forking up the readies to jet these ladies here and guaranteeing them their payment. (Domino is not into ripping off the poor; like the yakuza he only targets the rich).
4. If Domino does this through a company and not in a private capacity, he will have to guarantee sizeable, taxable sums of money. Domino does not believe in paying tax.
5. The current deal, as Domino understands it, is the ladies pay an agency 30k pesos and the agency fixes them up with cleaning or whatever work in Hong Kong or Singapore and, of course, rips them off big time.
6. Domino is not into that. He iseasily pleased and will be happy just to fuck them and the Lexus :( Japanese babes who are collaborating with him in this noble project.;)
7. Have these women a good work ethic? One reads of Sing. women beating up their Phil maids etc and one knows it is difficult to hire good servants these days. But one imagines, taking the law of averages into account, a lot of these women are simply dreamers and do not have a well developed work ethic.
8. One also believes many of these women are very naiive and cannot figure out that there is no such thing as a free lunch, that if they can earn 20 times more by working in Japan.HK/Sing, there is often a major catch to the situation.
9. This is a genuine request for information. Although I have some leads intpo the netherworld of Japan's night world, I am currently looking at bringing eligible young women to Japan as maids and basic English teachers and then allowing my associates, after I fuck them, to develop this into a fully fledged and somewhat honorable business.
Domino,
A lofty goal, entering a new line of business like that.
Considering your request, I would consider that a franchise agreement that you are actually looking for, or perhaps an import-export agreement.
However, looking back in my files, I found a handy contract that may help you in your situation. You can pay me back the next Friday night we are together by grabbing that rope and ringing the bell at my favorite Burgos bar with a hearty yee haa.
As promised, enclosed is a handy-dandy contract that will take care of your needs. (All virus free and tidy for her signature)
Consider it a gift from Ricksan.
Cheers,
Ricksan
(Attachment Bar Girl Service Contract)
Ah Ricksan, if you've not been with French women with shaved pits, then either you're hanging out with the wrong class of women entirely, you have not been in Paris since the liberation, or you took a wrong turn and went to Les Jardins Zoologique rather than Les Tuileries. I have found French wenches lustry and enthusiastic in the sack though not up to Filipina standards. Filipinas are, as you point out correctly the non pareils of lubricious sex, and truly beyond compare.
As to the comparison between such stellar Napa wines as Carlo Rossi, and Gallo, and actual French Cabernets, Pinot Noirs, Beaujolais, and the like, I can only suggest it's analogous to comparing Budweiser to Remy Martin XO. You can drink them both, but they sure as hell taste different. This is said of course facetiously. There are some truly great Ca. wines, and I've enjoyed my share. The problem I have is that the really good California stuff never makes it beyond the borders of California, while it's possible to get good, if not great. French wine almost anywhere.
Hello John. I know several young, attractive, sexy women here, waiting for Japanese visas. All of them have been there before, and all know what to expect. To date, none of them have received permission to go back and I doubt they ever will. Thanks to the moral majority in America, which considers fucking next to godlessness, the Japanese are really cracking down. This does not bode well for your venture.
My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.
GE
I checked out some more on this. No way of bringing unskilled pussy in except through the backdoor:(
GE: Please do not mention French wines in the same paragraph as Wallmart crap. Also, I do not think Ricksam got your wisecrack about hairys in Paris;)
"My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.: What do you mean by this?" Entertainers?
[QUOTE=Domino]
"My advice to you would be to hook up with a semi-reputable "recruitment/placement" company here. I could probably find you a few contacts if you like, as I know one lady who has been there six times.: What do you mean by this?" Entertainers?[/QUOTE]
Yup, entertainers. There are, in fact ways for these girls, be they domestic helpers or entertainers, or whatever to get the "certifications" now required by the Japanese, and there are agencies now helping the girls get the requisite stuff. That's all I meant. I happen to know of one or two of them here in Davao because I know a couple of women who are using the services.
I don't know much about the "backdoor" approach that you mentioned. There is a general panic here at some pretty high levels about what this reduction in the number of overseas workers will mean to the economy. The outlook is not pretty.
GE
GE: I figured there would be a lot of forging documents for a fee. Chcking out the visa section of the J Embassy in Manila, hey seem to be aware of that. But I went into Tokyo immigration today and no 4 year qualification, no visa. Entertainers are currently the only exception and the Japanese authorities wil clamp on that in time. I will check out agencies etc when I return to Manila in a few weeks.
Iwill pm you when I am next back in town. I might even make it back to Davao as they were cute.
4x2: Thanks for your offer of help but I think we have to review the situation back in Manila first. It is probably not a feasible idea to bring them here. They are all so poor and desperate. Even keeping a part time mistress in Manila sems a good idea until the family kicks in. I know this issue has been done to death on the Thai board but Thailand is financially miles ahead of the Philippines.
These ladies are good, nice, daughters of the soil and all the rest. But they are dirt poor and that unbridgeable void is there again. I just fuck them out of pity. I really think we have to keep distance between us and them. Maybe the frigid straweberries of Ateneo etc have the right idea.
GE and Ricksan,
I really can't believe that the two of you missed the last main indicator of the girl’s true intelligence and place in society in the PI.
GE, I know you are wise enough to know this and Ricksan, based on your post you surely do know this as well. Domino, based on what I can tell of your style of mongering, which I admire greatly, you have probably not been exposed to this. Buy as always I am probably wrong.
Should I let you guys guess or should I lay down this one true piece of information?
OK here it is.
Does your Honey KO like to watch decent TV or when you walk in the room do you find her watching these crazy ass Filipino Tagalog movies that make absolutely no since. Not because of the Tagalog they speak, but because of all the crazy monster or demon costumes. Or the acting in the action movies and oh, the gun fights are a sight to behold.
I have watched movies in other foreign lands, where I could not understand one bit of the language and believe me it comes no where close to comparing to the PI contribution to the TV cinema.
And then there is one more?
Have you had a look in the girl’s closet or bathroom stash to find the growth cream that will increase you height, bust enlargement cream, skinny cream, scar removal cream or the whiting cream. I know I am missing a few here.
This is actually a trick question or statement I guess as it makes no difference. There is no difference in the social status as they all watch the Tagalog crap movies and have at some time another purchased the rose petal cure all concoction, along with some of the other crap mentioned above that you see advertised on TV out of Taiwan.
Guess the fact that I know so much about this stuff means I am in their class as well.
Oh well, when in Rome
FF
Women are right. Shopping is great fun. In America, Europe, ailses and aisles to feed dogs (instead of eating most of them),in Mexico makeup and in the Philippines, whitening cream. That stuff should be made illegal. Also lots of pharmacies (and bakeries). This means badly paid 20 year old babes are diagnosing illnesses and dishing out pills to deal with them.
Can't say I knew about ther growth cream (does it work on dicks?). But here is a puzzle: why are a literate people like the Phils into all that shit? It also makes you wonder about infection rates and stuff like that. There must be a large hidden population of HIV/syphilis/ God knows what people there. But maybe the creams work on them too?
QUOTE=Domino]
Can't say I knew about ther growth cream (does it work on dicks?). [/QUOTE]
Hey Domino,
Your post reminded of a comedian I saw one night about 20 years ago. He was talking about the bid dick cream that you could rub on your dick to make it bigger. It would take about a month of daily therapy for the full effect to take place. He asked the audience. " Well, wouldn't it make your hand bigger too?"
The height cream is really a riot. Great trick photography or actually trick camera work. They will show a man or woman standing beside the interviewer. The interviewer is always a lady and she is always at least 12 inches taller. Then the vertically challenged person takes the cream and they do the one month later thing. When the person shows up they are magically 12 inches taller than the interviewer. The cream is to be rubbed on the shin area. Then this area of your leg will lengthen giving you your extra height. That is how it works according to the commercial.
Damn! Why do I know so much about this crap? Help!
Oh yea! It is really quite funny. The actors are all Taiwanese and that is where the all these commercials originate from. They are speaking Taiwanese but there is a voice over in English. Very amusing.
FF
I was recenty reading a book on the social history of the Philippines, hoping it would give me some insight into the culture here. I am, by training, a Sociologist, yet the more time I spend here, the less I understand the cultural/social dynamics of the place. So much for my motivation. One of the most valid points the author made was that Westerners typically believe that, because the Philippines is the only "Christian" country in SE Asia, and because the Spanish and then the Americans were here for a combined 450 years, and because people speak (sort of) English, then it must be fairly Western and thus reasonably easy for a Westerner to understand. What Westerners fail to understand, he says, is that the whole Christian/European pretext is a mere chimera; a thin patina overlaying a culture deeply rooted in mysticism, mystery and magic.
This may help to explain why even well-educated Filipinos are incredibly superstitious, believe firmly in ghosts and spirits, and accept as literal truth, totally non-rational apocrypha passed on for generations. My girlfriend for example, who is reasonably well educated, cautioned me once against eating chicken mixed with squash that had been prepared by the maid. She warned me it could make me ill; even deathly ill, as that's what her great grandfather, her grandfather, her father and her mother had told her. When I asked her why it hadn't sickened the maid, she told me it was because "the maid did not believe in it and therefore, could not be affected." It appeared however that because my girlfriend believed in it I could be sickened.
I am not a Catholic, in fact I'm not even a Christian, and yet I find I know more, much more about Catholicism, and the history of Christianity than the vast majority of Filipinos, who love the mystery, or the magic of it all, but who really do not know very much about the history of their religion. The Catholicism practiced here is adapted to the ethos of the place. Very evangelical, very non-traditional.
Now couple all of this sense of mystery and this acceptance of demons, ghosts and all manner of mystical creatures with an educational system that's the most poorly funded in SE Asia, and which discourages any form of analytical thought. A system that lacks text books for its students, paper, rudamentary learning materials, or even enough chairs for students. Add to that a virtually bankrupt government that simply cannot afford additional investments in health care, education or social services, and what you get is a culture which neither fosters much intellectualism, nor art nor alot of positive expectations.
This is a culture that nurtures fantasy, dreams, and the illogical. It's a country whose politicians have names like "Joker" and "Boy" and where many, if not most, of the population visits the cemetary on All Souls Day to commune with the spirits of their ancestors. It's why those "crazy" movies don't seem nutty to most Filipinos. It's the fantasy, the escapism, that allows them to retain hope in the midst of hopelessness.
This is my take on the place. I have no idea if this is accurate or just a paradigm that makes sense only to me. I do know that Filipinos are among the gentlest and warmest people I've ever met, and they deserve to be judged in a less harsh light than that provided by Western culture.
GE
I currently have a girlfriend that is 45 years old (10 years older then me in age and 10 years younger then me in bed. God what a trooper in bed. ) Anyway she has told me that she wants to get married but that she doesnt think she can have children because of her age. She has asked me to get a younger girlfriend and have a child with her. She knows that I really want children and I also want her. I am not sure if this is just some way to prove my love for her or if she is really serious. I have dated PI girls before and 99.999999% of them seem possessive to the point of being psyco. I am not sure what to do. She has named a few girls that she thinks would make good mothers and has even approached them, with a few saying yes (for a price, either money or employment ouside the PI) What should I do?
Okay, so we know that after 400 years of Spanish convent culture and 50 years in Hollywood these women in this country are confused, but jeez sometimes I think the mothership landed in the back yard and dropped them off!
Deep Diver: I think she wants you to have what you want, but isnt that strange? I mean who would have thought she would want you to be happy in such a way?
On other thoughts:
Why is it that the average Filipina is just so darn jealous? I find 90 percent of them quickly resort to knowing "all your business". It seems that you can't have a normal life without that lovely delight in your life snooping into what you may or may not be doing.
Do you think its insecurity or genetics? I find that most of these women are really insecure, but that's a result of a very paternal, male-oriented society. You only need to look as far as the help wanted ads, those that would make any Western HR manager croak, with advertisements like these:
Secretary Wanted
Must be 5'4 or taller, long legs, single, no kids, attractive, for special Executive Assistant position for CEO.
I can just imagine hearing some of the interview questions for that vaunted position eh?
Actually, this is the way the average secretarial position is advertised here, which anywhere else would turn your stomach. Hey, I guess if I had a chance though, it wouldn't be bad to have a lovely working as my gal Friday eh?
There is one at my office now that would make a blind man have a hard on, unfortunately she isn't my assistant! Time for me to run an ad i guess.
Anyway, i digress. Don't you guys and gals that deal with gals in all levels of society see the same things I am seeing? Are women that controlled that they put up with this in the culture, or is it just me?
Food for thought.
Getting back to jealous women, I find that the average Filipina has this streak (maybe genetic) that comes out as soon as you don't answer the cell phone in 2 rings, return a text from a business meeting within 10 seconds or less, or don't call her 3 times a day.
Perhaps Domino's analogy of the average Filipina has its merits after all.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan
I agree most of them are jealous. Point being I went to the store to get some food one time and the store is 5 minutes by car. I went there and back with 10 minutes at the store and in 20 minutes one of my Ex's called me 6 times.
Problem is she comes back for booty call every once in a while. (not that I am complaining)
I just am not sure if my girls for real or just testing me to see what I would do. I just never thought of a PI girl doing something like this.
Ricksan this is the mother ship. I'm assured, by guys I know who have lived here for years that the jealosy thing is hard wired into the brain of every Filipina. I've never seen anything like it anywhere else. Filipinas assume that it's the natural tendency of every many on the planet to chase as many women as possible, so they do what they can to protect themselves. It's rabid, and it's not fun to be on the receiving end.
Deep Diver: I agree with Ricksan. She can't give you what you want, and she does not want to lose you, so this is a practical compromise that probably could only happen here.
GE
So GE is a sociologist? No wondr he does not understand society. Sociologists study (sic) society from afar. They spy on the monkeys from a distance and try to get the monkeys to fit into whatever madcap theory they are currently squandering their lives away with. Anthropologists live among the monkeys and observe them, never asking the chimps whether they still beat their wives or are homophobic chimpanzees. They too have severe limits Economists, in contrast, know nothing about the economy but can sometimes give some good insights into the social make up of a society (much better, at least, than soci-ologists, who want to measure society with a mercury stick).
To say that anoyone is a Catholic is a meaningless statement. Most Italians, for example, have major problems with the theology(-ology) of the Catholic church but over 70% believe in the evil eye. Many of the dudes who post on the Thai board visit Bangkok's Biergarten where hundreds of cheap sluts hang out. That bar has some very nice Buddhist altars and the hookers maintain those altars, pray there and offer alms there every day. Same same with Thermae. I am not sure waht the Pope of Buddhism thinks of that.
In Melbourne Australia, to be a Catholic historically meant to barrack for Collingwood footy team and in Glasgow it still means to support Glasgow Celtic football club. The rantings of the moribund King of Rome and his lackeys have little to do with any of it.
One of the highlights of my trips to Thailand was to go on a motorbike with a hooker to her family home and meet her parents. I learned so much from her about them simply because she told me. On the way back ,we had to be driven by her 12 year old cousin who had a build like Mike Tyson. She did not want to drive home alone as she was afraid of ghosts or getting shot by a sniper. (forget the fact that the sniper could have whacked Iron Mike as well). So she fucked thousands of guys in Pattaya but was afraid of ghosts. I am sure she was a good Buddhist because Lord Buddha, like a pinch of salt, protects her from whatever.
In the civilized West, First Holy Communion time, Christmas and other stuff like that are prime time for hookers. They come out of the woodwork to sell themselves to buy their daughters Communion outfits and whatnot. Maybe think of that the next time you begin to fathom the religion of the Philippines, which came to them via Mexico where Our Lady of Guadalupe graces the brothels, serenely beaming down on the fornicators and promising, in silence, to deliver the ladies from evil.
As regards the American occuption and the support they give America: that seems a tougher nut to me. America fights wars the way the Yanks fought its civil war: destroy everything and everyone in their way. Perhaps the situation in the Philippines is so desperate they tend to forget, and even forgive.
One pertinent thing there is that the wretchedly poor do not have time for such mental meanderings. Simply surviving is enough.
The last granny I picked up in Bangkok, who was a great fuck btw, thanked me countless times for picking her up and she repeatedly explained to me that she was so lucky to have scored me, a meal ticket. We got talking and I asked her had she ever been abroad. She said yes to Singapore to her German boyfriend (so many of them have German boyfriends I often get confused). When I have these conversations, which is often, I always have one eye on this board. So I asked did loverboy send money or how much was she paid for the trip. She told me the amount, maybe 30,000 baht. She spent all of it on buying her son a new motorbike, which is fair enough to me but which would probably [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] lover boy off no end.
So, by all means study society as much as you will. But don't ever begin to imagine you can begin to fathom it.
Domino:
Sounds to me like you may have been abused by a sociologist as a child. We don't mess with monkeys (these are for primatologists) like some assholes (proctologists) and I do not keep a safe distance as this is for anthropologists, Everyone knows what sociologists do. We provide "acute comments" seeking to explain "social phenomona" with recondite statistical charts, flow diagrams, surveys, and other bells and whistles. And we're correct at least ten or twenty percent of the time under certain circumstances and if you don't listen too carefully.
The thing is Domino, no one expects to understand Thailand or Vietnam. Everyone knows these are impenetrable, (inscrutable?)"foreign" places. But alot of people expect to understand this place and they're amazed that this is as incomprehensible as the other places you mention.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]One of the most valid points the author made was that Westerners typically believe that, because the Philippines is the only "Christian" country in SE Asia, and because the Spanish and then the Americans were here for a combined 450 years, and because people speak (sort of) English, then it must be fairly Western and thus reasonably easy for a Westerner to understand. What Westerners fail to understand, he says, is that the whole Christian/European pretext is a mere chimera; a thin patina overlaying a culture deeply rooted in mysticism, mystery and magic.
GE[/QUOTE]
Perhaps the author is ignorant or presumes Westerners are ignorant. Its pretty well-known that the Philippines is a 3rd world country and non-secular to boot. It along with the Malays, Indonesians & Bruneians lacks a written script. Before they were discovered by the Arabs & Europeans, there was no knowledge, no history and thats not too long ago.
I truely love this type of wanking discussion because occasionally a pearl of wisdom will bubble up from the festering stew of ego and rationalism.
Asking [i]why[/i] from a western culture perspective about asian cultural behavior, then trying to map those behaviors onto western cultural norms is an approach that will likely fail because this is a prideful approach. With pride, somebody has to lose in order for somebody to win. Somebody has to be better. Apples onto oranges. Square pegs into round holes. Nothing positive can really come this way.
Now I'm not a student of any social science diciplines and don't have an axe to grind with any of them, either. It seems to me that some understanding might come by exploring the whats (what people do) and whys (why what they do is important to them), and doing so without the tool of judgement. Doing this without judgement is crucial. Judgement in this context is the act of comparison to one's own cultural norms. Call this technique [b]immersion and absorbtion without judgement[/b].
Granted, it's going along for the ride. It's an intellectually passive exercise. But when I've done this, I can, without really understanding in a way I can verbally explain, after I get into the groove, act like another. It's like wearing another's skin.
Is this helpful in fitting in? You betcha. Does it help with understanding? Hell yes. Is it an aid in comparing and contrasting cultural behavior? No. Does it work? Oh, yeah.
References: Joseph Campbell and "Using your brain for a change".
Robux
I brought a Japanese friend of mine to that movie when it first hit Tokyo. The movie ends with a big showdown: Irish Catholics v NY Protestants with the upper class WASPs calling in the army to mow everyone down, and the pig tailed, opium smoking Chinese saying: Please Holy Jesus, get us the fuck out of here asap". It is a great scene with the Catholics counting their beads and polishing their hatchets, the Protesants praying and sharpening their hatchets, the Wasps praying and loading their 45s, and the Chinese stuck in the middle. I explained to her that those actions were all integral parts of their respective religions and she brought the matter up many times later in the love hotel around the corner. (I tried putting Crazy JW on to this in the Japan- Nampa section but he is being uncooperative). I like Hollywood's spin of saying criminals built New York.
Point is: no one understands any society. George Bush senior, when on the campaign trail, went into a supermarket. But he did not know what people do there as he had never been in one. Robert McNamara says someting similar about JFK. How can foreigners understand an Asian country when they cannot even understand their own?
Of course, I have to agree with Robux as I don't want his fellow club members coming after me:) We are in no position to judge anyone. Well, all of us, except me. I admire mothers who prostitute themselves to put rice on the table. I pity young beauties who are fucking their youth away instead of hooking up with a good, upstanding citizen like
John T Domino
Robux: square pegs into round holes. I like that, even if my peg is not square.
[QUOTE=Member #2702]Perhaps the author is ignorant or presumes Westerners are ignorant. Its pretty well-known that the Philippines is a 3rd world country and non-secular to boot. It along with the Malays, Indonesians & Bruneians lacks a written script. Before they were discovered by the Arabs & Europeans, there was no knowledge, no history and thats not too long ago.[/QUOTE]
Member, you're actually wrong on all counts. The Philippines is a secular country, not a theocracy. There's no state religion and it's constitution guarantees religious freedom. And what ever gave you the idea that Bahasa Malay, Bahasa Indonesia and Tagalog are not written languages? Nonesense. Malay is actually based on Sanskrit, and is probably significantly older than English. Indonesian is a direct derivative of Malay.
Robux, and interesting point of view. I doubt that immersion and absorption without judgment are possible, but it's worth a shot.
GE
I would tend to disagree with that analogy. I would agree that the Philippines is 90 plus percent Catholic. (Thank the Spaniards conquering the masses and research the Karl Marx quote "Religion is the opium of the masses" to gain insight on that phenomenom.
Hey, we can blame the Spanish for everything, almost! However when the Spaniards sailed into Manila Bay the first time, there was a Malaysian/Indonesian (predecessor, it wasnt a country yet) warlord (Datu) that basically had his say so here in the small hamlet that was Manila at the time. However, he had never seen cannon and was routed out in about 3 days. The Chinese wanted to trade with everyone, that's what they do, much like Jews they are shopkeepers, however everyone hates someone making a buck off someone elses misery, so they were the black sheep of the country and still relegated to the back burner of power and prestige here. Sucks eh?
The Spaniards pacified the masses with working for them in bondage, stealing whatever resources they could, using human capital to make dubloons for them from the mined Mexican gold, and having a ball with their women along the way. Oh yeah, and introduced Catholicism to keep them obedient and pacified, kinda a tradition that endures to this day.
Ok, so the US gets the country as a war prize from a fabricated war (Remember the Maine was a farce cooked up for interventionism in Central America) against the Spanish in those parts. Then the US comes over and tries practicing colonialism. Here you have a pacified group of locals and scary white guys come in thinking they are going to have a British type colony.
Sure, they put in a legal system that kinda made sense, school system modeled after their own, medical system, etc. but wasn't that really for their investment so they could have worker bees being more productive with less down time? They constantly had to deal with revolts from the masses and decided that it was time to go home after WWII, when they had spent a lot of money on a war and didn't see the value of rebuilding a colony that was basically in ruins from US and Japanese battles. Nice guys eh?
Land ownership rights? Oh, missed that one for sure. Leftover Spanish class system? Who cares, let someone else deal with it. The foundation for future monopolies, oops.. forgot that one too. But we will keep the prime real estate for bases (kinda reads as an I.O.U. for what help, cough cough) the US gave them. Pinatubo blows up, perfect chance to leave town and let someone else clean up the toxic byproducts of fueling ships, running motor pools and stenching the air in the bases for the last 90 years. Where was the EPA inspectors when the bases were turned over, eh?
As far as religion, I would say that there is a rather large influential group of foreign churches that either help the local population in various ways through the non-governmental organization concept (NGOs), helping the blind, keeping the really impoverished from starving, bare subsistance sorts of stuff.
The country accepts and welcomes those religions that try to help, but its always an uphill battle in a country of 90 million folks that have a majority above a minimal poverty line.
You could go about 5 miles from where i live and see a major Mormon tabernacle (im not Mormon by the way), several Christian churches and Methodist, Baptist and other religious demominations represented here. They all do good things, however the collection plate never brings in enough dough to do it for everyone.
I would say its a broad statement to say that the Philippines are secular. Its more that the Catholic religion is really entrenched and they actually do tolerate other ones. Its unfortunate that whover cooked up the map in this country didn't realize that the southern end of the company is more like Indonesia than Spain. That's half the problem, and the Catholics had a 450 year head start in getting in people's heads.
Ricksan
Ricksam: An excellent, concise history lesson. But what about the coconut billionaires, ie the Ateneo/De La Salle leeches and their anorexic off spring? And are there any women there really worth bothering with? I did awhirlwhinnd tour there recently and my email is overwhelmed with requests for money. Unlike the Thai requests, these are not sluts, yet. But in a country where the leeches leave only crumbs for the rest, it is hard to do anything else.
We have to put it in perspective.
We all are walking ATM machines, just in varying degrees. You most likely more than me. My middle name is cheapbastard lol. Even cheap Filipinos cringe at my negotiating skills. After all, I have to keep them honest as much as I can :).
At least in Thailand they are more direct in their approach. You know where they stand, because its all business. You make a transaction (pussy) and they hold up their end of the bargain (take you for as much moola as they can).
Remember, a Filipino would never club you over your head and steal your money. They would rather sneak if off you a peso at a time. They have all the time in the world to do that, haha. They are like the infamous Star Trek Borg in figuring out ways to separate you from your pesos, if you let them.
Ricksan
Come on GE!
Japan, India Israel & the PI are all secular countries. Surely, there's a difference?
I wouldn't call Japan or India "non-secular" but I would the PI - you get the drift? Needless to say, theocratic States would be Iran and the Holy See. Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait are "Islamic" (neither "theocratic", nor "secular") states. Turkey is a secular state.
"Non-secular" = theocratic, not my defintion. Maybe yours.
All Roman languages are based on Sanskrit. English uses a Roman script. Bahasa is "language" in Sanskrit. Can you show me the WRITTEN Bahasa for Malay/Indo/Bruneian? Does the Philippines have a script? NO! It uses ROMAN script!
Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, and the Philippines use Roman scripts.
Pity you haven't figured this out after years of living in the PI and SEA?
Nonsense? Perhaps the author was right afterall, his book was aimed at the ignorant masses in the West!
Which brings me to my point about history & knowledge. These nations could not have documented and evangalized/propogated knowledge even if they wanted to, until they were found by the Europeans. Once found, the colonizers did this for them.
Again for comparative purposes. Both the USA and Israel are secular states. Of the two, which one is more secular and less religious?
There seems to be a tendency to get derailed from the objective of this board. Please focus on Filipinas rather than monkeys and religion.
[QUOTE=Member #2702]Come on GE!
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All Roman languages are based on Sanskrit. English uses a Roman script. Bahasa is "language" in Sanskrit. Can you show me the WRITTEN Bahasa for Malay/Indo/Bruneian? Does the Philippines have a script? NO! It uses ROMAN script![/QUOTE]There was actually a Philippine script that existed prior to the use of the Latin characters. The scripts were later translated to the closest Latin sounding characters during the early Spanish colonization period. The old language just died slowly afterwards. The local character 'NG' actually emanated from the old scripts and it did not emanate from Latin (coz you can't really find a sound in the Latin character set to match it.)
Fastpiston, Although I can empathize with you, it really depends what focus you want. Do you want a narrow shot or do you want to capture a more complete picture? I personally find some of the quasi racist stuff interesting for my own perverse reasons ( Thank the Lord that we have got, the gatling gun and they have not). I am nearer Robux on my personal hands on approach than most others. I also find Ricksan aka Cheapbastard's comments about a peso at a time and not mugging you interesting, even if I prefer to exercise caution.
As I will be spending increasing amounts of time in the Phils, I appreciate eclectic soundings and so I don't mind people going on about Sanskrit.
If we compared this thread to the American Women thread, I would have to say there are, at least, some granules of sense here; there are none in the AW thread.
I think these women threads should be looked at as op eds with a rather wide mandate. Otherwise we just talk the 3F dogma. And Samus Aran in Thailand has the franchsie on that one.
I was over at Podium mall in Ortigas tonight. Had a wonderful time with the lovelies at the perfume kiosk there. Young, attractive, single... did i mention single?
There is something about those gals in the A line dresses and the heels that makes an old horny bastard like me get a boner. Best part is, they spoke fluent English too.
Hey, 30 min conversation and free advice on Filipinas. Girls here are a wealth of information on other girls, as long as it isnt them, they just gab away. I had 3 phone numbers by the time our little swaree was over.
What was my investment? A little conversation, a few jokes. Don't have to worry about my crank falling off after doing one (or more) of them.
The 3F crowd would have real issues having to engage in real talk, rather relying on the money doing the talking. Considering some of the photos i have seen posted, there aint enough Cialis or Vitamin V for me to plonk some of those cuties in the low rent district.
Of course another great place is sporting goods stores. I find gals there tend to come from athletic backgrounds (well at least here in Manila) so if you like a little hardbody, not a bad place to strike up a convo for sure.
Ya know guys, this could be a turning point for you. We should have a contest sometime when you are in town. We put together a pot of money, and find women in strange venues and bring em back to a party at a central location. 24 hours to snag em and shag em, winner take all. Maybe we can beautify this board for a change haha. The one with the best looking one with the lowest investment wins. Ill even let ya have my runner up in the looks and cooks dept, what cha say? GE would prob kick my butt in this competition though, he has a head start and probably a stacked deck already :(
Good idea?
Ricksan
Not a bad idea Ricksan, but before we go ahead with this, I think you should post some of your personal pixs of ladies you have encountered in RP - for us to believe in any of what you are saying.
And - you post about GE? I can not remember to have seen any pix posted by him in this forum, ever.
Get serious - dont challenge anyone on photocompetition or beauty - as there for sure are members here that challenge you, for sure. Maybe not me - as I like the natural pinays - not the ones looking chinese or spanish. Some of those that the pinoys or asian fancy, I find ugly. Those I can get in Europe and China. You know - it depends on our origin - but we all have different likings.
Have a nice stay in the RP.
[QUOTE=Ricksan]............
Considering some of the photos i have seen posted, there aint enough Cialis or Vitamin V for me to plonk some of those cuties in the low rent district.
.....................GE would prob kick my butt in this competition though, he has a head start and probably a stacked deck already :(
Good idea?
Ricksan[/QUOTE]
Ricksan - You greatly impressed me with your earlier "Good Filipina, Bad Filipina" tour de force post. I was enlightened, encouraged, enthralled, and humbled by it and the subsequent repartee by GE and Domino that followed on this board because of your post. I feel it very safe to assume your taste in women is as refined and exquisite as your posts.
Since I have not posted photos, I can not complain about my disenchantment with the Photo sections. However, I will say that after reading posts in Asia and South America, I get excited about going somewhere, that is, until I click on a photo then change my mine and itinerary.
As I have mentioned previously, I have never been to the PI. However, I shall accept your wager with two provisions. First, I am not a rich man, and earn a mediocre salary, but I am 'inveterately" (thanks Domino) implacable so I will shell out handsomely (suckerly?) for the right woman. So, within reason, I don't think money should be an object for this contest. I think we should attempt to ferret out the finest with cost being secondary. A post hoc analysis of the quality / cost would provide readers with some indication of the 'value'. Which begs the questions: "Am I getting hosed for getting hosed?" Second, I would request a 48 hour timeframe, since for my first day I expect to be taken fully advantage of and ripped off multiple times the first day before the learning curve kicks in :). I say, let us make life an adventure. Hope to meet you in May.
Ricksan:
An excellent idea. Unfortunately, I cannot participate, because after years of skirt chasing here and elsewhere, I'm in a more stable relationship now. On the other hand, I would not mind being a neutral observer, or even a judge! I will be in Manila next week, so if you want to get together to refine the contest rules, let me know.
As to photos, it's true. I never post them, rarely take them and even more rarely look at them on this board. I understand other guys like them, but it's just not my thing. I try to contribute in other ways.
GE
I'm no expert on this subjct but master blaster is right regarding an indigenious Philippine language. My knowledge in this matter comes from a Filipino Grand Master in their Martial Arts,(Arnis or stick fighting among others) his black belt is covered with characters and letters that spell out his expertise and give symbols of weapons he is a master of (Beleive me, this guy IS a true master!!!!).
Anyhow, the script contains 17 letters and symbols, it looks close to Hindi but some symbols look chinese. According to GM, this language was practised ONLY BY A FEW TRIBES in the central Visaya's whom the Spanish encountered. It probably spread from Indonesia, which had a strong Hindu Influence (Bali) 'Ang Spana' quickly banished it and outlawed it as this writting was often engraved on shields and was used by the Warriors to boast of their victory, their skills and opponets they had vanquished in ritualized combat.
However, the writting was kept alive in secret along with the fighting skills passed form father to son.
I have a belt which spells out my name in this language, only nine characters to spell out my given westernized name which has twelve letters.
Also, I have heard that some of the tattooing on Ancient Filipinos was a form of writting, some of this tatoo writing is becoming popular in certain quarters with young college afficionados here in Davao.
Bit of trivia I know but interesting.
I know this is quite a bit off the most recent subject, but it does say something about this place. I read articles today in two local papers here summarizing a UN study on child pornography in the Philippines. Among the many conclusions of the study, according to these newspapers, is that prostitution in general is the fourth largest contributor to the GNP of the country. It's been oft reported that the second biggest contributor is the collective remittance of overseas workers. If you couple that fact with the prostitution conclusion, then you've got to ocnclude further that a large portion of the entire GNP is comprised of sources that are totally unrelated to the agro-industrial complex of the country.
I do not know quite what to make of this, but it sure does not bode well for economic growth or sustained development any time in the near future. Not when prostitution is one of the high growth sectors of the economy.
GE
Measures of GDP are mercurial. Do the gangsters who run the Phils have an agro-industrial complex? It seems to me that they concentrate on exporting people on the hoof, building condos to shake them down when they come back, paying off the military and all other sources of power and producing service industry slaves to keep the people on their knees; this penchant to be on their knees would help explain why the sex idustry is so big there.
I laos doubt that prostitution is a growth industry there; it is low end stuff with not much else availalbe in terms of cash flow.
I would appreciate it if you could post the reference to the report you cite. Although The Phils, being poor, will always attract the worst in society, the same as Thailand or Cambodia do, I think anything the well fed cats of the UN say has to be read with caution. The UN are the same animals who fuck kids in the Congo for a slice of bread. Koffi Annan, their boss of bosses, merely flits round the world (he is now attending the Pope's jamboree), whispering platitudes and living the good life. He is married into the Wallenberg family, Sweden's richest. What would he know about anything?
okay domino, since you asked, here's the article, in its entirety:
study finds prostitution in rp fourth largest source of gnp
april 5, 2005
prostitution in the philippines has become a multi-million dollar industry and is now the fourth largest source of gross national product, a report on child pornography said tuesday.
commissioned by the united nations children's fund (unicef), the report, child pornography in the philippines, said new technology such as the internet has taken pornography to a new level that is much harder to detect.
it said poor, developing countries like the philippines have now become major centers for the global sex tourism industry where women and children are exploited.
the report said the growth of prostitution in developing countries is "inextricably intertwined with sex tourism."
and it added that a study by the psychological trauma program of the university of the philippines found that prostitution has now become the fourth largest source of gnp in the philippines.
the report's coordinator elizabeth protacio de castro of the center for integrative and development studies at the university of the philippines said: "we have only started to scratch the surface of child pornography in this country."
at a press conference to launch the report she said the philippines had now become a major attraction for "****s and perverts" who prey on children and are involved in the production of child pornography.
"we know child prostitution exists in the philippines but what we don't know is the extent of child pornography," she said.
"while some data is available it may not reflect the real number of children being victimized by the child pornographer," she said.
data from the department of social welfare and development shows only nine children were victims of child pornography in 2000 compared with 13 in 2003, while the number of children who were victims of child prostitution numbered 186 and 247 for the same years.
de castro said the aim of the report "is to address the lack of information" available on child pornography in the philippines and to "address issues about such things as the laws protecting children."
the study, carried out last year, said the advent of the internet, mobile phones, and digital camera had made the work of the pornographer easier while making it more difficult for the authorities to detect.
de castro said the attitude of local internet service providers would have to change if child pornography is to be tackled in the philippines. she said every single isp approached for the report refused to be interviewed.
"digital technology, with its obvious attractions for children, often facilitates recruitment of kids into these practices. it can also be seen as a safer form of prostitution," said unicef's country representative in the philippines, nicholas alipui.
[color=darkgreen]as to the agro-industrial complex, of course there is one. agricultural exports are still the country's number one foreign exchange earner, and processed foods, plywood, and other processed raw materials have found some pretty good markets in japan and china.
i can't comment on your remarks about un folks except to say that they're a pretty mixed bunch. i've met some who are sincere, highly intelligent and hard working and others who conform exactly to the stereotype you paint. given the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of america being led by bush and his cronies, i just cannot get too worked up about the un.[/color]
:d
ge
[url]http://www.childprotection.org.ph/monthlyfeatures/archives/mar2k5b.html[/url]
Here is another thing this pathetic parasite, De Castro, wrote. Conflict resolution in the family, by Save the Children. Parasites at best!
Her information on the Phils seems bs. Of course, amateur porno is booming with digital advancements but I bet no ISPs would talk to here because they regarded her as a parasitic idiot. Just like UNICEF, her sponsors, who made a fortune out of the recent tsunami. Why are Unicef collecting money and freezing out legitimate charities anyway? Big pension payouts to fund for the fat cats, I bet.And to pay glorified hookers like de Castro.
Here follows some comments on this *****. The tragedy is that parasites like her and many other parasitic NGOs do more harm than good. They use the poor and exploited for their own selfish reasons.
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Sex tourism is a minimal part of the sex industry. But it makes good headlines or good copy for nothings like Ms Castro.
The Philippines is a secondary, not a primary destination. Just check the posts here and compare it to Brazil or Thailand where sex tourists are a tiny, albeit highly visible part of the scene. Maybe give the ***** the url.
If she has only begun to scratch the surface, how does she know most child predators are going to the Philippines and not, for example, Cambodia?
She admits she has not the figures. The least she could have done is check in with the cops/Interpol to get them.
(Child) pornography needs major logistical backing to do it properly as California's San Ferdinando valley attests. Where are these facilities in the Phils and why no police raids?
The Phils was a notorious place for child prostitution during the 1980s. Has all that documentation been lost/not updated?
The numbers quoted, though bad, do not support her hypothesis that the Phils is a hotbed of child sex exploitation.
De Castro said the aim of the report "is to address the lack of information" available on child pornography in the Philippines and to "address issues about such things as the laws protecting children." But this is what she was paid to do and failed to do. She is a parasitic fraud.
The study, carried out last year, said the advent of the Internet, mobile phones, and digital camera had made the work of the pornographer easier while making it more difficult for the authorities to detect. Was she paid to say this shit?
I had hoped to get some pertinent information but I know better to look towards UNICEF or other criminal organizations. The sexual exploitation of children is a dsigrace but scum like her, to say nothing of the Unicef criminals, only aid and abet it.
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processed foods, plywood, and other processed raw materials: these are evidence of the lack of an industrial complex and evidence that the Phils is run by a kleptocracy, which is why so many of them have to work overseas when not spreading their legs for their mostly domestic clietele.
De Castro belongs on her knees. Giving blow jobs to everyone her bs offends would be good for her and would clear out the cobwebs in her tiny brain.
Domino, the next time, please don't hold back your opinions. Tell us all what you really think!
It's true that a large percentage of the expats here, and not an inconsiderable number of locals, work for NGOs on various "humanitarian" programs. Some of them are reasonably effective and others are pretty much what you claim them to be. I don't agree with tarring everyone with the same brush, but I sure do get your point. Of course, I find the various sects of holier than thou (white) missionaries who flood this place a whole lot more obnoxious than the NGO workers. They eat at the best restaurants, live in the best neighborhoods, drive lovely cars, while "subsisting" on contributions from church members. This pretty much sickens me.
My own opinion is that, on balance, most of the NGOs do more good than harm, though a good number do spend a hell of a lot of money and time "studying" things to death and then doing precious little to implement the results of their studies. I could, if I wished, spend my life going to the same sort of endless, rambling and pointless conferences and seminars that I used to attend frequently in the US. This week, for example, I was invited to speak at two of them. I declined both invitations.
You're also correct that the major problems with this place are structural and historical. There's an oligarchy that runs is without regard, for the most part, to the welfare of most citizens, and corruption is rampant. I don't know that it's ever going to change. There's so little invested here in public infrastructure--both physical and social--that the country seems to slip further behind every year. It's depressing and, in this respect, not all that different from most of Africa. The range and depth of problems is so overwhelming that it's difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel.
At the end of the day, I suppose it doesn't matter much if you're right or wrong about de Castro. Prostitution in and of itself is not the problem. This is a country in which the economy cannot or will not expand quickly enough to provide meaningful employment to most people and until that changes, and until there's some sort of true national commitment to the eradication of corruption, things will probably continue to deteriorate.
GE
[quote=goodenough]
given the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of america being led by bush and his cronies, i just cannot get too worked up about the un.[/quote]hmm, well i dunno ge, i can fairly be described as one of those cronies. but still, best regards always.
wastrel
Although NGO and religious fraudsters are a world wide phenonemon - stay away from the 419 scammers as they can be nasty and violent btw - there is something really wrong with the Phils, which is pockmarked with churches of all kinds. I note your comments about the large number of parasitic missionaries and that NGOs quasi gangsters hijack so much of the national pie. I am currently reviewing application grants for good and honest friends of mine in the Phils and the skewed terms of reference really show what a wasted effort it all is.
And as for Rizal, the national hero, whose name is everywhere. That strikes me as another fraud. After the Spaniards executed him, the United States took over and really fucked over the place, killing 200,000 Filippinos in theprocess. That was hardly a great national Filippino victory, so why honor him so much if not to raise more smoke, mirrors and confusion?
It seems to me that the kleptocracy who rule the place (Gloria, I think, is the only Asian head of state going to the Pope's jamboree/fuck in in Rome) have their act pretty well together: a little bread, some circuses and lots of religion to bamboozle the masses. If economic growth is the goal, there should not be much use for study, only implementation. Why so big an emphasis on the service industry? (nurses and the like). Part of the Catholic agenda of keeping them down trodden and servile?
Which brings us back to Filippina women and why we feel mostly sorrow for these women. Maybe Thai sluts are better after all. Horses for courses and all that.
Afernote on the papal fuck in: Yahoo have photos of the American delegation looking at the dead Pope. If Laura Bush and Ms Rice had any class, one at least of them would have stayed at home and allowed Jimmy Carter to go instead, assuming JC had nothing better to do with his time than fly half way around the world to view a stiff. Note also the photos of the cardinals, bishops and sundry parasites hovering around the delegation like so many flies around shit. We should also not forget the world's most intelligent people in all this: Bangladesh. They are sedning their disaster minister along to the gig. I hope he can shake down the fat cats for some money and that some of it gets to people on the ground.
...........end of rant................
Sorry Wastrel. I sure did not mean to get personal. And this is surely not the place for political diatribes at any rate. I did not mean to offend.
Domino:
It's nice to finally meet someone, even virtually, who is more cynical than I am. After all this time, I didn't think that was possible, but you win hands down. Amazing isn't it, that George can send the secretary of state and his wife to the funeral of an 80+ year old guy who died of natural causes, and cannot quite bring himself to send anyone to the funerals of dead US service people who died because of his casuistry. Oh well, here I go with the liberal democratic diatribe again.
I would guess that the reason so many of us feel at least an occassional sense of sorrow here is that the place could be so much more than it is. At this point, and for whatever reasons, I think that the US, through its various aid programs, is honestly doing what it can to help with the reform process, and to tell the truth, the US probably runs the best aid programs in the whole country--certainly the best programs in Mindanao and the most realistic.
:D
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]
The report said the growth of prostitution in developing countries is "inextricably intertwined with sex tourism."
a study by the University of the Philippines found that prostitution has now become the fourth largest source of GNP in the Philippines.
[/QUOTE]God I hope so! ;-)
This article seems timely considering the current topic.
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/06/news/phils.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Domino]
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I hope so!
[QUOTE=Marconista]I hope so![/QUOTE]
I disagree.
Me want more rant! You see, Rant = truth. Often it is only in the heat of the moment that a person really opens up and calls things as they see them. Refuse to engage in self-censorship. We're all free to speak our minds here, right?
X Man: Good article, especially the high infant mortality rates. Interesting too that a woman becomes President of a country with coconut billionaires. It feeds back into my argument that the Catholic church there and their Atteneo/De la Salle brain washing factories are a central part of the problem.
I signed up to filipina heart (sorry Jackson for mentioning this shady Australian based site, but you will see I am in the clear in a moment). I had to take immediate evasive action as I was swamped by Filippinas looking for a good, clean wholesome guy like me. It is a bad scene when one gets immeidately swamped by offers. Whether this is just an Aussie scam or a symptom of how desperate Filippina women are, count me out.
It would be nice to find a nice Filippina. But I would rule out anyone associated with the brain washing factories. And the rest have too depressing a background to even contemplate. Give me a coke swilling, hamburger eating, money guzzling American behemoth instead:(
[QUOTE=Domino]...Give me a coke swilling, hamburger eating, money guzzling American behemoth instead...([/QUOTE]You can certainly get that in the PI, if you don't mind your coke and burger babe weighing only 95 pounds soaking wet and used to thinking of US $2.50 as serious money. And they probably know the words to American pop music better than you do, and have followed every episode of the "Oprah Winfrey Show" with rapt attention, as much or more than the average US gal.
They love McDonald's in Manila, but I prefer their version, called Jollibee. I'll take a double yum yum, with cheese, please.
Did you know that (at least according to them) Jollibee outsells McDonalds in the Philippines? To me, the products of both are equally tasteless, but we now have a Jollibee in our office building in Makati and a McDonalds across the street. Talk about junk food heaven. What I cannot figure out is how all of the tiny women, most of whom do not weight more than kg. 40 gorge themselves at least once a day on cheeseburgers, fries and coke and retain their svelte little figures. I will swap the US alternative for this any day of the week.
One of the reasons that infant mortality rates are sky high here is the absence of prenatal care. It's available, at least in the cities, but people cannot afford it. A women in my office told me yesterday that most Filipinos do not have medical insurance, which is widely available through employers, because they cannot sustain the cost. "There are," she said, "other necessities like eating that come first."
Between Domino and Wastrel's posts, and my own ruminations, I'm getting depressed just being here!
GE
[QUOTE=Wastrel] And they probably know the words to American pop music better than you do, and have followed every episode of the "Oprah Winfrey Show" with rapt attention, as much or more than the average US gal.[/QUOTE]
Intriguing observation, Wastrel.
The Oprah Winfrey Show is ground zero for the kind of feminist brainwashing of American women that has made countless American men seek sex and affection on foreign shores.
How is it possible for Filipinas to be exposed to Oprah's girl power message and yet still remain the caring, affectionate, utterly feminine creatures that they are?
They have a saying in Sri Lanka: the elephant appears different, depending from where your are looking. So the elephant, Oprah-itis, would look different from a fat American viewpoint, or a semi emaciated Filippina one. Women are into that shit, everywhere. Interesting that Oprah is such a weather vein here.
The Chinese graveyard in Manila teems with baby graves which is odd as they are supposed to be so rich. Post/pre natal care? Check out all the pharmacies, one to a block, with throngs of little teenage women diagnosing and dishing out pills. No doctors, no care, only prayer.
One the saddest things about LA Cafe is not so much the hookers outside as their pimps. Same same around Malate church. There is something wrong with seeings throngs of women, suckling babies in tow, pimping one of their own. Ten pimps (excluding the pimpettes) and only one pussy for hire. There is something comical, Crime & Punishment like, in seeing a monger being led off by a mini army of women and suckling children.
The burger chomping ladies probably stay thin as they run around a lot and probably eat nothing otherwise. A short time employee of mine in Bkk ate half an ice cream and put the other half in the fridge for later; an American behemoth would not do that.
Countries with the Hispanic touch seem to mix music, dancing and tears in a very melancholic way. Look at the amount of armed security guards the Phils has. How much do they add to GNP? And how happy are they to have a job, any job? Melancholy is the Philippino motif:(
Think I'll go out an score me a fuck;)
Lard festooned American women are just now figuring out a high protein, low carbo diet will cause them to lose that extra house they carry around with them. Of course they all flock like the proverbial herd of sheep to the latest Oprah-approved book signing to learn that. Losers!
Hey there are 2 Jollybees in the San Fran bay area. The Daly City crowd has to have that taste of home you know. :)
Who in their right mind would want a whiney, Oprah polluted, Brownette or Vassarette when you can savor the delights of a gracious LBFM. Womens lib, Oprah, sheep mentality, ignorant yupster feel good kumbala movements and the press have ruined American women. Now all they can do is boo frickin hoo and whine about how men don't understand them.
I have 3 cures for them:
Lose the career
Lose the attitude
Lose the panties
Filipinas hate vegetables and eat more meat than any group of people i have ever seen on the planet. Try ordering a salad here. It nearly kills them to serve anything in this society without slipping some sort of meat into things. Of course humping helps lose weight too! Hey, it just occurred to me, I like slipping meat into things too!
Hold my San Mig while i kiss yer girlfriend!
Remember all LBFMs run on rice and water, and we all know balanced a healthy rice and water diet is, eh?
Ricksan
Hi all this is my first poat here.
For Domino,
If you are serious about finding a "nice" filipina I can help you there. I am married to a wonderful, graceful and beautiful filipina. I have know her 6 yrs and we have been married for almost 3 yrs. I am 44 and she is 26.
Back in my wife's hometown there are many wonderful nice filipinas looking for foreigner. Specially since my wife married me. If you are really serious drop me a line and I can help.
By the way this site rocks. I have learned so much here. Would love to put some of that knowledge into practice but don't know if I'll ever get the chance. Oh and another thing my wife know I come here all the time and it doesn't bother her. She just says if I catch you fooling around I'll cut it off. Need I say more!
Pinaylover
Don't get too depressed about RP, as a friend told me 5 years ago "you can't save them all". Be grateful that by your being there, some greenbacks are helping some of the folks there.
Someone lamented that they would like to find a nice (not sure if that was the word, just maybe the intent) Filipina. Well, there are millions of them there, just take your time. I found mine, glad I got off the mongering path, cause as luck would have it, the income ain't there for mongering anymore and it got old, at least for me. Ah, so why am I here? Well, reminiscing is nice too, LOL. I'm so desperate for a taste of RP that I'd settle for a week in MNL!
Just to get a massage at my favorite place and wander the halls of Robinson's Galleria and OK, maybe even a few days in Laoag and my favorite restaurants (grotty massage in Laoag tho, owned by the brother of the ex-Governor).
I do miss Davao most of all and my next trip will definitely have 3-7 days reserved for a trip there, despite wifey's (Ilocana) objections.
There are now ten Jollibees in the USA, all in California, suddenly up from one the last time I checked. I'm sure this has some kind of profound deeper meaning of importance to every man on this forum, but I have no idea what.
P.S. They also watch a lot of locally produced action shows in which men are men and women get rescued.
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Hi all,
I posted my first post earlier but didn't see it so I'll try again
For Domino,
If you are interested in a nice filipina I can help you there. I am married to a wonderful filipina who has many friends. They keep asking me to find the possible husbands. These girls are very sweet, shy and good looking. If interested drop me a line and I'll see what I can do.
Also like to say this board rocks. I have learn so much here. What surprises me is my wife likes to see what goes on here, too. But she told me don't get any ideas. Anyway I'll try to add what ever I can from time to time.
This thread is getting positively existential and almost erudite. In fact the recent dialogues put most of the other threads and boards to shame.
Filipinos, I have observed, have four staples in their diets: rice, meat, noodles, and ice cream, all consumed frequently and in great quantites. These folks must have the metabolism of hummingbirds. The other thing I've noticed is that if you host a social function, regardless of the amount of food you provide, it will disappear in about 3 nano seconds.
Today, for example, I hosted a merienda at my office for a Filipina colleague who was leaving our company. I gave my assistant PhP4,000 (about $75) to order food. Now $75 here buys alot of local food, and the 30 person conference table was full of platters placed end to end. Virtually all of the food was gone, down to the waxed paper, in less than 30 minutes, including four huge tubs of ice cream. Remember that this was offered after lunch when, presumably, folks should have been fairly full, I never cease to be amazed that a 40 kg. Filipina can eat at least twice as much as I can in half the time it takes me to eat half as much food.
What a place!
:D
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]This thread is getting positively existential and almost erudite. In fact the recent dialogues put most of the other threads and boards to shame. [/QUOTE]
And you guys are keeping my Thesorass busy as well. Did I spell Thesaurus right?
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]
Filipinos, I have observed, have four staples in their diets: rice, meat, noodles, and ice cream, GE[/QUOTE]
How about Mango? They do get some fruit. I love the powered mango drink mixed with Rum. Cheap Charlies drunk in the PI while playing golf.
FF
This seems to be the new buzz word.
Pinay Lover: Thanks for the offer. As a regular member, btw, your posts are delayed so you have to wait for them to be posted. I do not think it woud do your marriage well if this particular fox was let loose among those chicks.
Oprah: She and magazines like Cosmopolitan give out the wrong signals. I like true feminists, women who can stand on two legs not four. I also like bbw but that is another story.
It is refreshing to hear testaments praising ordinary women.
Favorite mango drink: 1/2 mango, equal volume sugar, equal volume milk and 24 ice cubes. Put in blender for 30 seconds. Drink. Mango taste between faint and not there.
Just got back from 3 days in Boracay, as always the delightful hamlet it is.
Thinking about postings on the board, I came across exactly what people in here have been discussing. I have a case of an undereducated gal from a poor background outclassing a sophisticated lady of means and outshining her in every respect.
Here is a classic example of Dominos snobs and why they can be a pain.
I had a short notice trip provided by a friend of mine in another business. He and I get together each year for a pilgrammage to Bora to have a few beers, laughs and decompress from the hard life in Manila. Being short notice, I couldn't get any of my normal college girls to go, so I had to pull up my alternate list of attendees to cull out someone that was worthy of being in the company of Ricksan.
My friend Patrick had met a girl there last year (codename Cokegirl because he hit on her when she was drinking coke only at Pier One bar with a group of her friends that were drinking beer) and he invited her along. So I bring along my partner for the swaree, (codename Chatty, which she wasnt the three times I had met her in the past in a bar).
The 4 of us stayed at Pearl of the Pacific, on the far end of Boracay beaches, but close to several of our watering holes for convenience sake. I mean, who wants to endure too long a trike ride when you are trashed and as far as walking is concerned... are you kidding?
Anyway, I digress. Cokegirl turns out to be the classic, refined, high end filipina. High maintenance and demanding to boot. Everything Domino has talked about concerning the wilting violets held true for this one. She was leading Patrick around like a little puppy with squeals of "i want this!" and "why don't you buy me that?". She came from a good family, but was spoiled rotten. Someone should have set her straight on manners. Chatty would smile and make eye contact with me when she pulled her antics, showing those subtle expressions that have you laughing inside with the situation. Non verbal ques shed a whole new light on things when you observe them. Chatty was great at letting me know "she got it" when she and I would see the same thing happening. In fact, behind closed doors when coaxed, Chatty said "Why does he let her do him like this?" Something a filipina would never say in public.
Cokegirl led Patrick around in circles and you would have thought she was the one that organized the trip and activities, of course catered to her tastes, not ours. The group was solicited for input on what we should do only once out of 3 days. I was beside myself watching her being so bossy. Restaurant selections, where to go, what to do, after the 2nd day you felt like a member of her personal shopping tour group. Were we there to amuse her i wondered?
On the other hand Chatty and I were quietly bemused with the likes of her slovenly ways. In 3 days Chatty refused me buying items all over the island saying "it was such an honor just being able to go on this trip, you have done too much for me already". I broke the zipper on her backpack, and stopped in a market to buy her a new one (a total investment of 300p by the way) and Chatty was almost in tears with the gratitude, refusing not once, but three times of this token. I wouldn't hear no for an answer and told her I felt guilty for ruining her bag and wanted to replace it, so her stuff wouldn't fall out when we left. She finally agreed, but only after much coaxing. Try that with your average bar girl.
And you knew it was from her heart, not that she was trying to be politically correct in the moment. Here is a girl from modest means, well read I found out, with great manners, that goes out of her way to fit in and not be a bother to anyone, while enjoying a vacation away from her life, which is quite a hard one (she supports her seriously ill father and wont take a dime from me to do it, claiming it is her burden to do so, not mine). Try that with your averge Jollybreeder strumpet or in this case, with a high end high maintenance strata enamored luxo wench.
Its nice to watch someone with adoring eyes enjoy the simplest of pleasures, whether it be an afternoon sipping beers over at the bar at Puka Beach after a banka boat ride, dancing at Cocomangas, or just hanging out snorkelling. She even refused to let me pack my suitcase on the checkout day, saying she wanted to repay me for what I had done for her. Hell, I felt guilty letting her do it, but I knew she felt she had to show her appreciation in a basic way. That tells a lot about the basic person much more than which family you were born into in this particular tale.
So, the bottom line of this story is:
A girl from modest means can outclass a high end gal in some situations.
Class is in the way you approach life, not just what you get out of life.
Chatty was such a girl. Cokegirl was a stereotypical wench that needed a spanking and a wake up call. I felt sorry for Patrick, but he should have put the foot down with Cokegirl's lack of class, even though she was raised in a good family, Chatty was much classier in many ways. While I am still friends with Patrick, his friend put a wet blanket on what could have been a great mini vacation.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan
I thought you would get a kick out of this.
A Filipino friend of mine was discussing about his family matters he has faced recently. His sister was in the states in college, and living with their aunt as she went to school. Now she comes from a pretty middle class family, but Dad dotes on his daughter and gives her a car, charges cards, and allowances, and trusts her to do well in school. Go enjoy yourself, study hard, we will help you succeed little darling. But here comes the problems with living in Western Society. The dark side of life in America as far as Filipinos are concerned, especially if you have a traditional values family.
It seems Daddy's little precious made the mistake of attending a rave in the LA area and it got communicated back to Daddy-O. She was out till 3 am and didn't let anyone know until after the fact, when it was overhead in a conversation with one of her gal pals (blonde valley girl that invited her). Probably if she had been up front with it and let auntie know what she was doing it would have settled out better. What she did was sneak it into her nightlife and auntie found out after the fact. Remember the rumor mill extends back to Manila, and let's say dad wasn't amused.
As you well know, raves are a way of life in southern California and it was all pretty much innocent fun, a night out with her girlfriends but Dad has seen expose's on 20/20 and decided that it was leading the daughter down the wrong track. There will be no rufies and all night orgies for his precocious daughter!
Egads! His charming little coquette could have sex before marriage? What other decadence would she try? It was time for the electronic choke chain to be applied.
That's it he decides, he calls up auntie and muffy is on the airplane back to the RP for a little re-education on proper filipina morals, post haste!
The brother is now the sisters keeper. He is 30 and established in business. He was to get her return ticket and charge cards and keep them locked up, make sure she only goes to church and chaperoned affairs until Dad decides that she is back on the right moral track. Dad's investment in his daughters life is at stake. There will be none of that California rave business! The funny thing is, he agrees this is the right approach.
Kinda funny, eh? 24 and grounded!
When I was 24 I had already been to 10 foreign countries and spend a year in Japan on my own, but remember Filipino society is a lot more strict when it comes to "finding yourself". Its hard to relate, but I can see where they come from when they are confronted with western behavior firsthand.
I laughed and asked the brother, "what happens on the second offense?", "Grounded till you are 30?" The brother said, "Dad was being lenient and I can see where he is coming from, in fact I agree with him" I guess he had seen his own self in some of her actions and could relate now, being older and wiser. He praised his Dad on being tough with him in his own oat-sowing days. Don't think Dad didn't get in sonny boys case too!
It looks like the daughter learned her lesson, not to incur the wrath of Dad and the family. You guys probably think that most of these girls don't have morals here, but I can assure you most of the time it simply isn't true. Family pressure to succeed, especially for a woman to be chaste, is in the higher order of things in a lot of families here. We could use a lot more of that in the western world. Maybe parent pressure isn't that bad an idea. Western families could learn a lot from this episode.
Sometimes I wish my kids had been exposed to the same helping hand that some of these kids do. It may seem draconian, but maybe it nips future problems in the bud. A lot of us are expecting things to take care of themselves and bad things happen as a result down the line.
Perhaps a little more involvement and less hand wringing can set a person's life on the right track early. Once they are indeed on their own, they are prepared to make the right decisions. I hear a lot in the board about class and moral upbringing but really think of it. How far would you go to get involved in your kids life? We talk about it a lot, but seldom get involved. Sure, this i am sure was innocent in nature given the girl, but it was the underlying sneaking around part that really sealed the deal. I think Dad was more miffed at that than the event itself.
So when you look for that future someone, remember the principles they are going to bestow on your potential offspring and where they might have gotten their guidance from, and how much they might just appreciate it.
Ricksan
[QUOTE=Ricksan]
So, the bottom line of this story is:
A girl from modest means can outclass a high end gal in some situations.
Class is in the way you approach life, not just what you get out of life.
Chatty was such a girl. Cokegirl was a stereotypical wench that needed a spanking and a wake up call. I felt sorry for Patrick, but he should have put the foot down with Cokegirl's lack of class, even though she was raised in a good family, Chatty was much classier in many ways. While I am still friends with Patrick, his friend put a wet blanket on what could have been a great mini vacation.
Your thoughts?
Ricksan[/QUOTE]
Ah yes oh Ricksan.
As a good friend has said many times in similar situations. Your friends girl had lots of class. Only problem is that is was all third class.
FF
Busted out laughing when I read Ricksan's post where he said, "jollybreeder strumpet".
Note to myself: do not read Ricksan when in the office supposedly working.
Ricksan,
Can you give us a bit more info about your Boracay trip?
Is Cocomangas the place for dancing? What's the story with p4p?
Can you find many "good" girls who are also there on holiday?
I see that you stayed at Pearl of the Pacific. A bit too much for my budget. Any other recommendations?
I've been to the Philippines before, but this month I will make my first trip to Boracay. I would appreciate any info you can share.
Can anyone recommend a simple gift that would be appreciated by the ladies. I'll be in Japan before I go to the Philippines, so my first thought is to buy some kind of Japanese souviners.
I know most things imported to the Philippines can be very expensive. What about soaps or shampoos?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
X-Man,
Take a look at Lakbay.com.ph, they tend to have some good deals in there, quoted in Philippine Pesos, they also will give you some background on the area.
Boracay.com will give you info on the island. Hotels near boat station 2 are in the thick of things. Good restaurants on the beach, plenty of shopping. Hotels near boat station 1 are pricier and less tourists.
Low budget? Try Nigi Nigi e Noo Noos. Kinda funky low budget affair with fan rooms if you are into the tiki look cabanas they have it. Great bar in front. Canadian owns the place as I remember. Lots of expats hang around in the evening sipping drinks and watching the sunset.
Take your own girl along. Pick a nice one in Manila to import in. Airfare is cheap, you want to fly into Caticlan, a 5 min trike ride away to the pier to board banka boat to the resort.
Most of the hotels have package deals including transportation. They will have a sign when you step off the plane at the airport.
Cocomangas is a stellar Boracay hangout, disco, bar, pizza, t-shirts, it has it all. Great place to go dancing and drinking. The place is filled with Manila types on weekends but why waste time striking up conversation for a possible bedfest when you can have your own prequalified jollybreeder with you? Saves time, saves patience.
Hope this helps.
Ricksan
Ricksan,
I liked your post #614 in this thread on 04-12-05 very much. Thank you for that.
W
Bring Chocolate they love it and all ways ask to bring back or send to them.
And you have good chance the girls will be... sweet to you :)
Tylenol
[QUOTE=X Man]Can anyone recommend a simple gift that would be appreciated by the ladies. I'll be in Japan before I go to the Philippines, so my first thought is to buy some kind of Japanese souviners.
I know most things imported to the Philippines can be very expensive. What about soaps or shampoos?
Any ideas would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Ricksan: Chatty had true class which money can not buy. There are many well brought up Non-Rich girls that have class, while many rich girls have crass. A suggested spelling correction: Swaree = Soiree.
XMAn: If you can, bring in the perfume for women like Estee Lauder, Calvin Klein, Chanel, etc. They really love these. You can also buy these at the Phil Tourist Duty Free shop upon your arrival. Filipinos seem to love Pistacchio Nuts.
XMan,
I'd like to affirm genius8's comment about buying the stuff after you get to RP. I spent (read, wasted) some time shopping in my local USA stores for some perfume that my new gf wanted, only to find out that it was half the price in the duty free shop in RP.
Well another night of boredom came and went, but there is always an gem when you least expect it on the streets of Manila. My fortunes turned around quickly, and here is my latest story.
After countless nights of mongering, I had one of the wildest rides of my life last night. Yes, its true! In staid Manila you too can find a voluptous (yes Gertrude, its true) screamer amogst the flatchested, lip biting set of Jollybreeders in this fair town.
I was in a bar last night on Burgos with a business collegue of mine. It was late and we were on our last drink before we headed our separate ways home when I have a young, full breasted Chinese Filipina set down next to me. Of course it helped that my friend knew the mamasan of the place and probably she offered some fresh muff as a gift to our table. I am not talking the normal, stale, used, flabby boobs from 3 prior kids sort of gal. The little delight that sat next to me and introduced herself was a rare gem indeed.
Her father was a half-Chinese half-Macau resident, which married a half filipina, half european gal from Davao. The result was a gal that could have passed as Singaporean, with a distinctive Chinese accent and looks and nice, firm hooties. Who could ask for more?
It was her first night in the bar. She was a student (23) that was finishing up her Business Management degree and had been supporting her study in various businesses and decided to try earning a little extra cash in the trade. She was very naive to the ways of how bars worked as well as bar fines, what happens next, etc. After having an hour or so of interesting conversation on world affairs, which was the best business to start up in Manila and her future plans after college it was clear that she could be a prime romp in the rack.
She had the GFE look in her eyes, that little twinkle that tells you she had not gotten jaded and wanted to explore what could be a future relationship with a foreigner. She had lost her virginity to a european and had not had a boyfriend since he left town a year earlier. They had met via a marketing job at a major hotel here, where he was on staff. I could see what he saw in her, and his loss was my gain.
Well after paying her bar fine, she looked at the mamasan as if to say "what do I do now?" and after a few minutes was encouraged to dress up and go with me. She really looked clueless as to the next steps, which convinced me of her innocence. In fact, she almost backed out of going and me paying the barfine on a couple of occasions before she finally agreed. She was indeed looking for a long term lover, and some fun in her life, not just a romp in the sack.
We went to my place, where after a lengthy conversation we started kissing and one thing moved to another. Talk about the blushing bride! It was so much fun unwrapping those 36 D's she had, firm and proud. Also she had an ass that would just make you cry. She protected those breasts of hers like the keys to Fort Knox, for it was revealed that once you started kissing on them, she was defenseless. After an hour or so of foreplay, we ended up in the bedroom.
She screamed loud enough to wake up the neighbors for sure, as well as participated in fingering and other foreplay. Her eurosuitor had taught her well I think and she definitely loved sex, after getting comfortable with the short duration period of getting to know one another.
After being used to these lip biting coquettes here in Manila, it was a refreshing change. I think it was the asian slant to her upbringing, vs the normal repressed Catholic "sex is not to be enjoyed" background that let her express herself. Over 10 orgasms in an hour for her, and 3 for me during the evening. It was a major event when she dropped her panties, with a lot of hesitation for she didn't want to be viewed by me as "a bad girl". I truly believe that looking back on it all. Was I a lecher i thought?
So I ask you, how many big boobed Filipinas have you met that weren't jaded or used up? And, would you have felt guilty for taking the prize in this situation instead of looking at the long term prospects by waiting and developing the relationship instead of just racking her for the evening?
Sometimes you can indeed have what you want, but was it right? Pussy is an easy commodity here, and sometimes you come across a girl that is just trying to get ahead, but you can feel guilty in plucking low hanging fruit like I came across last night in the interest of draining my gonads.
I love pussy as much as the next guy, but taking advantage of her innocence in the quest for lust can make a guy feel guilty, even a lecher like me.
I think I will have to look her up, but I get the feeling she will have second thoughts on what she did last night and hide if I try to contact her, that's my observation. It was a wild night, but for her I think she will feel guilt about what she did. Maybe me too. What would you do differently?
Ricksan
Ricksan,
I would do the same, if she's working in a bar, she's there to make money, and her "nieve" approach most likely is an act. I met a girl very similar to her in the Casino Bar @ EDSA named "Ann" who acted very nieve when it came to being barfined, but the mamasan told me she had been working there for over six months and likes other girls as well. Since I only had time for ST that night, I only took her back to my hotel. After some conversation, and kissing, she took the lead opening my pants and taking me into her mouth. After an hour, I was so worn out, I couldn't go on.
Anyways, do you mind telling what bar you met her in? Is it a bar that mainly caters to asians, filipinos, or Americans and europeans? Have you called her or gone back to the bar since? How did she react if you did?
Ricksan,
This is a typical "line" that Babes use, I want you to imagine a chrous line of sweet little darlings all lined up from Northern Luzon to The Sulu, dressed in one peice outfits, top hats black fishnet stockings and high heels (man what an erotic image) all singing the song of the Philippines in their cute little cartoon chipmunk voices, sounds like this:
Its my first time doing this (barfine) Its my first time doing this( blow job in hotel room) its my first time.........(fill in the blanks anything from anal sex to posing in lingerie, a chinese basket job, a two girl double etc.)
Second chorus:
I've only had sex with one man before (Loud chorus)
Its been________years since I last had sex (fill in the blank with any number between one and fifteen)
(Right, thats why that thing stretches like gumby sweetie, man, talk about waving a stick in a cave!!!!)
Third chorus..... You are the first foreigner to make love to me.
The Spamhog says, these girls always come up with a line, your Chinese beauty should have been paid an extra 500 pesos just on the story alone
Any busty little gal like that is going to have rich Chinese all over her like flies trying to be her sugar daddy, they want a young, busty chinese mistress, she commands a premium.
Now as far as what to do about it, obviously you enjoyed the little sweetheart and she sounds like she did too (no pun intended) so I say go with it, enjoy the ride, so shes a good actress, when you think about it, isn't that part of what you pay for? A good performance,
Sounds like this should get an Oscar!
Enjoy
The Spamhog
Anything got info's about what to do around Malate. Ill be stayin in a hotel there. Been a hella long times since ive been in PI.
Thanks
Ricksan, I can't believe that even after reading all the posts here that you really believe the crap you write. "Naive bar girl"? I'm sure her "eurosuitor" along with her americasuitor, filipinosuitor, etc have all taught her well.
All the things she told you are the same lines spewed by "virgin" bar girls all over the PI since the beginning of time.
And stop sending her money every month, she really didn't quit the bar, all you are doing is supporting her boyfriend. ;)
Mook
To clarify my statements:
You guys must think I got off the 5am PAL flight and just left podunk Kansas. That is definitely not the case.
Dudes, Ive been to this country 100s of times and shagged as many women, from all walks of life.
For those of you that think I have a soft heart, I am as tight wadded as the next guy.
I don't pay stipends to chicks, not here, not anywhere. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
I also don't mess with skanks. Don't have to, don't want to, don't need to. There are too many gorgeous, fascinating women here, with which I have a great time, far better than most samples I have found at the various expat haunts in this town so far. This particular night was something different, which I was sharing with the group. If you don't want to believe it, hey, that's your decision. I just stated the facts.
I've seen as many tricks, scams, lies, etc. or more than probably anyone on this board. This chick was indeed new, and quite different. In fact, I think she quit the business since I was there. Indeed it was her first night, based on other gals I know in there, the mamasan (which hasn't seen her by the way since) and others. My loss, some other suckers gain for sure.
For those of you quick to draw an opinon based on their own experiences, I can understand. Thanks for your insight. I was just sharing with the group, and so be it if you can't relate personally.
I wish you all well in your future muff hunts.
Ricksan
Ricksan:
I have to agree with the other guys. However, the lines that these girls spew are delivered with such perfect sincerity that it's difficult sometimes to remain sceptical. Maybe we help their credibility by wanting to believe them, but it's mostly utter bullshit designed to make us feel special and feel some sense of obligation toward them.
GE
[QUOTE=Ricksan].....I love pussy as much as the next guy, but taking advantage of her innocence in the quest for lust can make a guy feel guilty, even a lecher like me.........Ricksan[/QUOTE]
You picked up a girl in a bar, paid bar fine and had sex with her. Why would you feel guilty about that? She is not a virgin and had a boyfriend. How did you take advantage of her innocence?
All of us mongers at some point felt overwhelmed in the presence of a sweet young thing. But once she crossed the line and decided to make money by sleeping with strangers, I wouldn't worry too much about her "presumed innocence".
It is evident that you were quite taken by this young lady. However, please try to control your exuberence and make realistic post. I never heard of any women having 10 orgasms in an hour, let alone a working girl!
Bandy
Ricksan:
Maybe you really met the one in a thousand who was actually telling the truth. I've never had that happen, but it's certainly possible. If that's the case, and if the girl really affected you as much as she appears to have done, you're lucky and I hope you find her again.
GE
I am planning a trip to either Philippines or Thailand and was wondering which one is the best to go to. I was wondering if they dance nude in the bars at either and how freaky does it get in the bars. Can anyone suggest which cities to go to and what clubs to go to. Also wanted to know which hotels are girl friendly and really nice to stay in such as marriot and like that. I have never traveled to asia before only down south. Would use all the help I can get email me at
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I can only speak for the Philippines, but the girls do not get naked and dance in the bars. It is not like the states where there is one girl stripping instead its more like a stage where the guys pick a girl to short time or long time.
Spokane Boy,
I'm not trying to bash on you, but son, can you read? All the questions you asked are answered in every post on this board. Keep reading and when you have something specific clarified, ask away.
john aldrich recently posted a somber cautionary tale over on the indo board which can be read here:
[url]http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=358641&postcount=2148[/url]
(starting in 5th paragraph)
he advises people to never bring a local chick back to your primary apartment dwelling, because this can result in risky personal exposure to yourself.
my question is - is this also a problem in the the philippines? do girls cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] against a foreigner just because he dumped her?
and would the proper course of action be something like: don't bang girls who have contacts in the local government?
stick to "your earthy sam miguel types" as domino refers to them, and you can minimise your risk?
In all the time I've spent here, which is now almost 2 years, I've not heard of a single instance of a girl trying to involve the legal authorities to extort more money. I'm not saying this does not happen, but if it does, it does not receive much publicity. I think the biggest risk here is that once girls know where you live, they may feel compelled to "drop around" when you least want to see them. That has happened to me a couple of times. My response to this has been straightforward. I merely tell them that I have someone else there and that they should not drop by without an appointment.
If you're staying in a hotel, the risks are minimal given hotel security and the fact that you're the guest and she is not. The five start hotels in Manila will invariably call your room once the girl leaves, to tell you she is in the lobby and to task you if it's okay with you if she leaves the hotel. The hotels in Davao, where I live, are less strict, but the security guys always know when there's a girl in your room. Plus, you can always tell them that no one is to be allowed to go to your room who is not accomanied by you. They're pretty good about this.
The final point I want to make is that "justice" here is directly proportional to the amount of money you have. Most of these girls do not have much, and I think it's doubtful that they could interest police or prosecutors in going after foreigners who have much more. As a general rule, most the girls who hang around bars, malls, and restaurants do not have heavy "political connections" and I would not worry about this aspect of life here at all.
:D
GE
It's bad enough that here in the states you almost have to get the girl to sign a contract agreeing that the encounter is mutual before you risk sleeping with her.
I was afraid that maybe Asia was also beginning a period of emasculation like the West is currently suffering through.
Well, I never usually say to anyone how to live, but when it comes to women, always remember that no matter were you are in the world, they seek to control men! I lived in the Philppines for 9 years in the military in the investigation section. They are true pimps of the world.
You can go to any corner in the Philipines and just point to your next girlfriend, and 9 out of 10 times she will agree. Its just a case of the green card and helping their family. The men will set you up with there family no matter how old you are. So if you want some real advice just tell them what they want to hear then fuck them then find another.
Here is a saying: What is more faithful? Your wife or your dog.
The answer: Your dog. They will stay with you long after the wife is gone, and cost a lot less money.
So be a man fuck them then leave them. Men are there own masters. If you have to ask permission, then you are their slave. Change woman like you would change your socks (very often).
This is just the way I feel, I have been single for 26 years and I live in Tijuana.
Have a nice day, and remember, enjoy your life because you only get 1.
Tom
Ah but remember, for these girls, there's no problem that cannot be solved by the payment of an additional PhP500-1000.
this type of problem is more prevelant in thailand where corrupt local cops play along with it and institutionalized cheating of "falang" (thats you and me) is more prevelant. but some things you got to be aware of here, i know of factual (not hearsay) instances where a foreigner was extorted by (usually a house maid or yaya) for molestation, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] etc and they demanded p10,000. my leo sources in davao recall several more over the years, all involve an **** girl and all involve molestation,(this is much harder to prove or disprove) not penetration i beleive there was a case in matina a year ago that made the papers, ge maybe you remember.
but the older more establish bimbi no one seems to care about, they know they are not gonna get satisfaction out of the courts because it takes so long here, also they would tend to threaten you with this hoping you will capitulate, your stance should be, go ahead. i'll tell them how you blew me and iscrewed you in the ass and paid you for it, then the police will want their share, and it will be in the papers so everyone will know you are borricutt (*****).
that is why the spamhog only hires older, ugly maids.
also, it is not a good idea to let them go to your apartment or rented house, no telling when they show up, like when you bring the new one around, once again, this is a classic problem in thailand more so than the rp imho.
spam hog
I would like to add to GE comments to say I agree with what he has stated is correct, because culturally Filipinos have a different mind-set.
Many of the girls who work in bars, deny this fact to themselves by hiding behind a wide range of different names, such as GRO, dancers, waitress, or door girls however, you can still pay money and take them all to your room for sex. Unlike in Latin America where the girls refer to themselves as [i]Putas[/i].
I would hope a majority of would not risk the stigma of going public of making a big scene trying extort money from some hapless foreigner. Let’s be honest here how many girls would risk standing up and saying that they went to a bar, met this foreigner went back to his place after midnight where he tried to attack her, so now the whole of her family and friends realise that she doesn’t actually work in a hotel and will wonder where the money she has been sending has actually come from.
Remember, if you meet a girl in a bar, invite her back to your place and have sex with her and then give her some taxi money, this is not yet a crime.
The Spam Hog is correct as usual. The uglier and the older the maid, the better for you as it's highly unlikely anyone owuld believe her if she cried molestation. I actually do not mind it much if former sleep overs show up unannounced as I tell the maid to tell them they cannot come in. They rarely try twice though I have gotten a couple of nasty text messages in the past. I think the best advice is never to lie to the girls about your feelings toward them or what you may want from them. There's no point to it, and it may only make things worse for your down the line somewhere.
:D
GE
Thanks for all the great responses, guys. The depth of collective knowledge here at WSG never fails to impress me.
Hello all,
The Metro section of the NY Times recounted today (6/16) the sad tale of Dr. Jonathan Nyce who is being charged with the brutal slaying of his Filipino wife who is twenty years his junior. They were married for 14 years and lived in New Jersey.
Apparently she (35yo) had been having an affair with the hispanic gardener for a year. Dr. Bryce had known about the affair and she promised to end it but didn't. In typically dry fashion, the Times described Dr. Bryce as bright but socially awkward. He had invented some medical procedure but his company was foundering. He met Michelle through a newspaper ad and they have several children.
An internet search may turn up more info.
I'm not trying to make any points here: maybe she wasn't getting enough sex or attention or both. She looked very attractive in the photo in the newspaper.
Looking forward to my next trip to the PI in late August.
Don
Here DD,
A link to the news on this guy and his murdered wife.
[url]http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/060905_nw_nycemurder.html[/url]
As they say in the court, cheating is not a reason to murder your spouse, but it is a little telling to all those who think the loving catholic wife from the Philippines is going to stay with them till death do they part...no pun intended here.
She was obviously looking for action.
As a Father of a good friend of mine used to say "if you catch your wife cheating don't be mad at the guy or threaten him as there would be no hanky panky unless the girl wanted it to happen"
If she had killed her husband for the same reason there would be sympathy the world over for her. That's America.
In any case this guy is a turd and I hope he gets his for beating up on a defenseless woman.
FF
[QUOTE=Juniour]Remember, if you meet a girl in a bar, invite her back to your place and have sex with her and then give her some taxi money, this is not yet a crime.[/QUOTE]Not yet, mate! But depends already where you are.
I was told, in Sweden it is a crime already for the customer. Contrarily it remains free for the pro (supplier).
Absurd!
Thank god I'm 10,000km away from Europe.;-)
Cheers!
Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.
[QUOTE=Fun468]Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to disapoint you,but being very active in the local adult community ,I can tell you with certainty that the overwhelming majority of Pinays are not into anal.the Philippine Cosmopolitan sex survey says only 15% of Pinays are into anal.But then again,she could be part of the 15% cheers
As a resident in the RPI, I know as much as I need to find a girl whenever and wherever I (alone) need. but as I stated my wife has suggested we find a girl for the night. Our first attempt was in AC, and my wife did the questioning with the Mamasans, I just sat there and grinned. Eventually we found a girl who was up for it, and it surprised me that it took 3 bars to find one willing (in Nero's). The girl was OK in bed, nothing extra special but definately a proffessional. This definately turned the wife off the idea somewhat next day.
That's the basic problem; my wife is scared that if she really goes to town on some hooker's pussy she could get "sick". So I have suggested trying Manila, but as I go there frequently; Burgos, EDSA/Airport or LA Cafe, I dont want to meet any girls i have known before. I also suggested finding a girl one night meeting her next day and taking her to a clinic for a check up. Then for a wild night.
Any suggestions on alternate venues (must have young good looking girls), other places to try or other suggestions as to how to go about this without the wife getting up tight.
[QUOTE=Member #2559]As a resident in the RPI, I know as much as I need to find a girl whenever and wherever I (alone) need. but as I stated my wife has suggested we find a girl for the night. Our first attempt was in AC, and my wife did the questioning with the Mamasans, I just sat there and grinned. Eventually we found a girl who was up for it, and it surprised me that it took 3 bars to find one willing (in Nero's). The girl was OK in bed, nothing extra special but definately a proffessional. This definately turned the wife off the idea somewhat next day.
That's the basic problem; my wife is scared that if she really goes to town on some hooker's pussy she could get "sick". So I have suggested trying Manila, but as I go there frequently; Burgos, EDSA/Airport or LA Cafe, I dont want to meet any girls i have known before. I also suggested finding a girl one night meeting her next day and taking her to a clinic for a check up. Then for a wild night.
Any suggestions on alternate venues (must have young good looking girls), other places to try or other suggestions as to how to go about this without the wife getting up tight.[/QUOTE]
There is a Philippine adult forum called Manilatonight.com,After you join and have 25 posts,The adult sections open up.There are sections on wife swapping,Bi partners etc.In Manila,Try a place called Skyline Massage Parlour on the 8th floor on the Grand Boulevard Hotel,It has young good looking girls who are checked weekly,About 20-25% of their girls are into threesomes,They even have quintuplet service,where you get 4 girls at one time.Hope this helps
Like women the world over, if you get them hot enough, they'll let you try.
The thing is to make it so good for them they'll let you finish.
My experience is if you sling 'em them twice normally in an evening, then go down on them for a good long time (seriously a long time -- 20 minutes, and your tounge is tired at the end) they'll be so hot, so wet, and so loose they'll permit the posterior porking. And Fillipinias being thinner and shorter than most western women doesn't make 'em any less willing to be greeked.
[QUOTE=Fun468]Hi,
I have recently met a filipina lady. She is very attractive and very petite as 1 would expect. She also seems to be somewhat wild. Never being with a filipina before, I was wondering in general how wild do theses ladies generally get in the bedroom? Are they generally ok with exploring Greek? You may laugh, but didnt know since they are so tiny if this is something they typically enjoy? Please give your opinions as I find this lady erotic and would like to explore the back door with her tiny frame.[/QUOTE]
I met this highly attractive Filipina girl working in the UK via some friends. We hit it off straight away - dfk first date. 2nd date we're practically all over each other. She doesn't want to do the deed because of crappy plasterboard walls and neighbours (she's noisy apparently). But then she proceeds to let me explore her upper body with my mouth without any real effort to stop me, though down lower was a bit more resistant. She had seriously deep breathing, flushed face, and probably the longest snog I've ever had. But then the next day she says in 1 text message that she's not ready and in the next message that she was as horny as hell?!?! It's one hell of a tease! The ironic thing is she says she likes me TOO much and is scared because of it!
Now, she's a professional and not a sex worker (and I doubt ever has been), and also quite religious. So I'm looking for opinions on regular PI ladies. Her attitude does not seem to match the advice given on Filipino dating sites.
Should I give her the time that she's saying on the one hand, or gently push for what we obviously both want? Of course, I don't want to hurt her - but I've waited before and they got bored!
Confused, never had a girl do quite this sort of thing on this sort of scale before!
Thanks.
Simmer!
I think we should call upon Cebu Local, as he is member of the same community as me in Manila, and living there. He should have a lot of input on pinays, nevermind if they live in the RP or UK. We are talking about the nature of the girls, right?
There is also another "old" member CANCONTRIB, which for sure can give input on this, but we have not seen him on this forum for more than a year now. I hope he is still monitoring the thread.
This has become a long thread, with a lot of valuable advises, so read through it when you have time, and learn.
Me - I have a non-WG lady that I am with when I am in Manila.
Never mind the pre-history, but it did not take long after I started to hit on her, before we made out :) , and she was a virgin (bad me). :D
We went scubadiving together one weekend, and then I did not see her for a few days, but I texted her. When I was back in town I texted her again, and she invited me to the movie. After the movie I paid her taxi home and agreed to see her for dinner the next day. We had our dinner in my hotel, and she was typical filipina "dizzy" after the meal, so I invited her up to my room to relax. This was the first time we dfk'ed and played, but no intercourse. We agreed to see each other the next evening after her work, and then it was a hit.
Someone may not agree, but I think that it is part of their nature to be naughty and go all the way (after a while - almost like what they say in the switchboards down there).
I have been with a few non-WG's, and that are hard to bed the first couple of times, but being persistent (inviting them for more dates) - you will get there, unless you have bad breath, smell or other handicap :) . I am sure Cebu Local can back me up on this.
Right now I am working on two ladies, one promo-girl and Miss "something", and a nursing student. She is curious since she asked if I was circumcised (am not), so she wanted to "see" and try, if I promised not to get her pregnant. She had slept with one boyfriend she said (knowing girls, they always divide the numbers, opposite to boys, so I guess she means two)
[QUOTE=Simmer]
....
So I'm looking for opinions on regular PI ladies. Her attitude does not seem to match the advice given on Filipino dating sites.
Should I give her the time that she's saying on the one hand, or gently push for what we obviously both want? Of course, I don't want to hurt her - but I've waited before and they got bored!
Confused, never had a girl do quite this sort of thing on this sort of scale before!
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Hi
Most of the dating sites give advice for working girls.I personaly know the girl he meets whenever he is in manila and she is gorgeous and is a defenite none-WG,She worked for one of the most exclusive resorts in the Country and is currently still in the travel industry.You get "good "girls in stages.They dont like to go all the way on the first date.Thats for "bad"girls.She will give it up in stages,Expect heavy petting by 2nd date with her giving you a handjob.Expect oral on the 3rd or 4th date and all the way after that."Good "Pinay girls are generally like that.Good Luck
Thanks Cebu and Marco. I've flicked through various reports in this forum but I just needed a "personal" take on my situation! Trouble is, she talks dirty - very dirty - and yet is afraid to act it out physically. She's changed schedules to fit around me and phoned 3 times yesterday. Tonight will be date #3.5 (the first 0.5 just being an introduction at birthday party). So maybe very soon she will be ready. Wish me luck!
Thanks again.
Hi
Me again,I talked to 2 "good" girl friends of mine about your case and their opinion is that the girl is being torn between what she wants to do and what the church teaches her is wrong,Their advice is to let her relax and advance little by little,Go from base to base by each date,Sort of go one step further each date,Dont worry you should be shagging her by the 5th or 6th date.Patience is a virtue
Just a note from a typical dumb ass white guy who doesn;t have the inside that Cebu local & some of the other Pinoy gentlemen do, but here goes.
In my mongering days, I noticed a lot of "good girls" would go through all types of sexual inuendo "Bold talk" etc. but would reign in when it came time to deliver. This is all part of their mystique, remember they are not western women for whom sex is such a casual thing, sex to a Filipina generally means feelings for the guy, even the hookers and hardened pros may not take you if they dont like you or you act like a jerk.
Also, Filipinas gossip about everything and anything, everything you do with her, from a simple kiss on the cheek to how many times you rammed the old log in will be discussed "in confidence" with her Gf's which means broadcast on the local news bulletin so she has to appear that she was "seduced" by a sly westerner to save face. the old "put up a valiant defense but gave it up out of strong feelings" crap.
Filipina play the coy maiden, part of testing you and your feelings, also, they are a bit worried over the size of the schlong and over "disease" since there is a lot of bullshit around that westerners have aids etc.
So like it was recommended, take it slow, be polite and even gentlemanly, you will be richly rewarded.
I forget who was asking about anal, but the spamhog can tell you the 15% is about right. I got two anal cherries so far and one who had done it before (all non pros) but there again, the size of the old Irish inch can be a determining factor, waving a billy club might frighten 'em off but you might find one to experiment with it but only after repeated contact.
Good luck
Spamhog
Ironically she said that night that she was disappointed her period had started! Of all the luck! Still, as you say, good things come to those who wait. I think you're right that she's torn between the church and her feelings. The culture difference is just starting to hit home - to me more I think, as she's had some time getting used to the UK. Simple things like the "come hither" motion - don't beckon with your index finger but use a palm down scratching motion otherwise it's rude. I managed to offend her today with something quite innocuous by UK standards but obviously meaning something completely different by PI standards. Still, she seems to have forgiven me as she's coming around again tonight!
I'll keep researching - it's good fun actually - and reading this forum. Many thanks for the help everyone.
Simmer:
Lemme see if this sounds familiar:
I only had sex with one guy.
I learned to do that from a porn movie.
I can't have sex with you I'm on my period.
(Whats wrong with your mouth?)
Oh I've never done that!
well okay but don't come in my mouth.
Why not.
I don't like the taste......(I thought you said you never done that before?)
Er weell one of my GF said the taste is bad.
It will lighten your skin.
Really?
Yeah, clinically proven, why do you think white women are so white?
Welllllll......maybe
Spamhogs advice, be patient, let her play the game and when you finally cross the finish line make her a bowling ball (all three holes)
Good Luck
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]
It will lighten your skin.
Really?
Yeah, clinically proven, why do you think white women are so white?
[/QUOTE]
HA HA HA.. I've put that on my hard disk for use later!
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Simmer:
Lemme see if this sounds familiar:
I only had sex with one guy.[/QUOTE]No - she's had a couple, not sure of the exact amount (and frankly don't want to know).
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]I learned to do that from a porn movie[/QUOTE].Not sure how relevant that is...
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]I can't have sex with you I'm on my period.[/QUOTE]You can fake many things except bloody bedsheets, bin full of crap, and red bits floating in the toilet.
[QUOTE=Spam Hog](Whats wrong with your mouth?)[/QUOTE]She did, though not very well.
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Oh I've never done that![/QUOTE]I'll concede that one! But see previous comment.
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]well okay but don't come in my mouth.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested anyway to be honest. I know most people are, but I'm not.
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Spamhogs advice, be patient, let her play the game and when you finally cross the finish line make her a bowling ball (all three holes)
Good Luck[/QUOTE]I get the impression that you don't believe that she's not a sex worker. Well, believe it or not, NOT every Thai or Filipina is a sex worker. There are professionals out there as well.
Last night and twice this morning I got my reward for waiting. Tightest cunny I've ever experienced which actually drew blood. Closest I've ever come to a virgin I guess! Not huge tits but reasonable by Asian standards. And she massages, cooks, and cleans as well! What more can a man want?
For the record, yes I was and yes I am still a bit wary. I know there are plenty of westerners that have been ripped off by people wanting a passport into that western country. However, being a nurse means having to work for 3-4 years in the UK and you get your passport. Period. No British husband or kids required. Nurses are in high demand and that's all the immigration people want.
I believe that I told you patience is a virtue and good things are worth waiting for.Spam Hog may have overlooked the fact that She is already a nurse working in the UK.Yes she really doesnt need a British husband to get a British Passport,So I sort of believe that Simmer may have found a genuine Girl friend.OK next lesson,Filipinas are jealous and possesive.Be forewarned,The trade off is they will be thoughtful and considerate until at least they hook you.Dont push anal,unless you really are into that stuff,since the overwhelming majority find it disgusting.The Cosmo survey among Philippine COSMO girls is only 15% are into that stuff.The percentage is higher among sex workers of course.Good luck and Congratulations
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Thanks Cebu. Jealousy wasn't something I picked up on on the internet, so I'll bear that in mind. I'm not the sort that plays around anyway - the last thing I want to do now is lose her!
Anal - no thanks. Not my cup of tea. Again, each to their own.
Maybe I owe you one maybe I don't I don't know, I was being a bit faceteous when posting those excerps I did not mean to belittle your particular lady in any way. I do not think Thai women, Filipinas or any other Asians or any women for that matter are all prostitutes, *****s or skanks, however, I am a great skeptic, time and experience HAS taught me that ALL women are to some extent schemers with a little hypocracy thrown in.
I would have to say that sexually, Filipinas as a whole are more rigidly moralled than most others. That is part of the attraction for me anyhow, they usually will not surrender unless they have genuine feelings for you, not like western women who regard sex as a casual pasttime.
BUT!
I have heard those lines from Nurses, teachers, a lady dentist, factory workers, domestic helpers and yes a bar girl or two with alarming frequency. It may also interest you to know that Filipinas joke about those very things among them self and each other...
Ie: "I suppose you told him you only had sex with one man before?"
"Of course, what else" (Disolve into incessant giggling.)
Or
"Did he fall for the line about learning that from a bold movie?" (bold-porno)
I would imagine a few others on this board have heard these things too or probably will.
Take care
Spamhog
I spent nearly three weeks in the Philippines, chasing both online gals and p4p. One online gal was especially good fun. I had to meet the whole family, but actually had her panties off six hours after initial meeting. She was such a sweety I spent most of four days with her -- nearly the entire time I was in that particular city. Of course she loves me... Having visited the Philippines numerous times over the past 25 years, I had a good idea about how deep her love is.
Back at home, we exchange a few emails. Then I get a mail from a guy who says he found my email address in a "forwarded mail" from her and politely asked how I knew her. I told the guy I met her online, but left out the part about me meeting her and spunking on her face and such.
Turns out the guy has never met her, but has proposed marriage and she has accepted. He's probably sending money too, but I didn't ask.
I've already been elusive with this guy, since I think he's a bit of a wanker. But what should I do? Should I tell him the whole truth and save him a lot of grief down the road? Should I warn HER that she has to do damage control quick if she still wants to bag this sucker? Should I just butt out?
Oh, why do I think he's a wanker? I gave him some indirect advice....something about Asian logic being different than Western logic and Asians have a tendency to "tell you what you want to hear" in order to save face and maintain good human relations. He not only didn't get the HINT, but didn't seem to understand the point.
Okay, waiting for your advice.
Dear X Man,
My first reaction after reading your post was to say leave the poor bastard to his fate. After all, he is a wanker and a sucker if he is actually willing to marry someone whom he has never met in person. This guy is not only clueless, he is very desperate and possibly dangerous also.
However, if you believe that the WSG is a forum for the free exchange of information and you feel any sense of allegiance to fellow males in spite of the stupidity of some, then you might want to make a full disclosure concerning the copious amounts of spunk that you discharged on this girl's face and such.
Of course, from what you said about him I doubt that this information will cause him to change his mind but at least you'll have a clear conscience. Apparently, sweety wasn't all that forthcoming with you either and were it not the case that you are a smart gentleman then you could have easily been in that bastard's shoes.
If he does call off the marriage then you would have prevented or delayed the departure of good talent from the Philipines and that is a good thing for all mongers. Also, you would be helping sweety learn that conning foreigners has real consequences. You can never know how this guy might react if he marries her then discovers her lies. The fact that he put the effort into contacting you shows that he might have some jealousy issues. Sweety might pay with her life in the end. Face it, normal guys just don't propose marriage to strangers online.
Sincerely,
CM
Do the guy a favor,and let the poor bastard know but dont tell him YOU were the one who was giving her Facials.You never know how he would take it
Tell the guy the truth, I mean you may not have to go into the gory details but you need to wise this sap up and let him know he is being played as she is playing squeeze the weasle with you while he is sending her money so she will reserve that poon for him until he decides to visit? How many are playing this game? Educate the poor fool you may be saving him.
Spamhog
Now why would this guy get such an email forwarded to him? These type of guys are not your friends so don't worry about him and his fate. If they do marry, good luck to them. More importantly, I am looking for donations for my little Davao skank. If anyone wants to help this good cause, please get in touch. All are welcome to bonk her. I am not a jealous man.
The fact that he proposed marriage does not mean he will marry her.
Some years ago, some of us had passwords to the emails of Thai skanks and we posted our findings on the Thai board. Skinless, Tapioca and PurplenGold were three such publicly spirited mongers. No use trying tio help these lemmings; same same with suckers we personally know. Losers latch on to these women. Let them meet their fate. Me? I support the women, hopefully with some of your $$ help.
Some of these guys are so pathetic, they are funny. Let the wolves have him.
This guy isn't getting screwed. He's paying to sustain a fantasy, and she takes the money to let him have the fantasy. What's the harm? If he's stupid enough, or naive enough, or just gullible enough to believe everything she tells him at face value, or if he's too lazy or clueless to read boards like this to get an orientation from guys who have been there, it's his tough luck. Besides, if you shoot down his delusion, the chances are he'll just hook up with another, equally voracious filipina and repeat the same scenario all over again.
Who is to say who'se conning whom? This guy may have told her he's a 6'4" Adonis, with a fat bank account and successful business that he started after he got his Ph.D. in psycho-neurology, while in reality he's flipping burgers in a fast food joint.
We all create our own realities to a certain extent. He's created one that gets him through the day. My advice is to leave it alone.
:D
GE
Thanks for all the great advice.
BTW, I do NOT know if this guy sends her money. Of course I really don't know for sure if he proposed or if she accepted.
This is what I did:
I sent him a message giving him common sense advice about the Philippines. Don't propose to people you don't know, go there and meet several ladies, don't send money, if you DO send money 5000 pesos a month is enough. No reply, not even a thanks. Now I'm tempted to send him some pictures. "Here is your fiance wearing a pair of panties I bought for her. Do you like the color?"
Ah hell, I'll just send the pictures to you guys. Just give me a few days.
I sent HER a message and said I was unhappy that she had allowed my home email address to be picked up by "some guy". Her response was so revealing...."which guy? What's his name?"
And that's where I left it.
I'll add two more tidbits...
This trip I met up with a lady in Cebu. I had met her in April when she worked as a go go dancer in a different city. Back then, I paid her bar fine and we ended up spending the next two days/nights together. She was a lot of fun with a great attitude.
I gave her a call as soon as I arrived in Manila. She tells me that she is in Cebu and that she had "started a new life." Well, I was happy about that. She struck me as a really intelligent lady who wouldn't be in the ass-selling business for too long. She is also very fine! We meet at Bo's coffee in Robinsons just below Midtown hotel (my hotel of course). She had ordered a Mocha for me -- she remembered what I liked to drink. What a sweety. One hour lady we were humping and bumping in my hotel room. Since she had "started a new life" I didn't offer any payment, but I gave her a 500 bill for transportation at the end of the day. But what surprised me is that later she tells me she has a fiance who sends money ("10,000, but I only spend 5,000") and will soon be visiting. Wow. I boinked two fiances in two weeks.
Around this time I read an article in the paper. A seaman (30s) contracts AIDS. Comes back to the Philippines and give AIDS to his live in - a college girl in her 20s. The article goes on to say that she then had sexual relations with three other men, one of whom also gets AIDS.
The moral of all these stories:wear condoms and don't expect fidelity in a long-distance relationship.
x
My girl in Cagayan, who I've met 3 times in the last year, has informed we that she's married and has been since June. It looks like it's some guy from Iowa that she got to know on the web. They got married right away when he went there for their first face to face meeting.
I already knew something was up because she seemed much less needy about money compared to before. She talked about taking trips to Cebu and Dumaguete. The average Filipina student just doesn't have the money for that sort of thing. So I already assumed that she had some guy sending her money, but I was a bit surprised about being married already.
It looks like she wanted one last fling. She said that at the marriage ceremony she was imagining getting married to me. But who knows about that kind of hogwash, telling me what I want to hear and all that. Anyhow it's fine for me because she was great company and a great GFE for all the time I was with her. But I wonder about the guy who came here and married her. I would feel more sorry for him but his lack of good judgement holds me back from that. Whenever she does get to Iowa I hope they have a good life together. She's really a good girl to be with, even if not entirely forthcoming about what she's getting up to.
Actually she's inviting me back for my next possible visit in November. One last LAST fling? I'll have to think about that one since this time I'll know full well about her situation.
Anyhow, looks like I'll have to start looking for a new Cagayan girl...
I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.
I had a similar experience where a Filipina I know met someone on Internet. The guy promised marriage on Internet, came over here for the first time and did just that! I would give her no more than 3/10. It is truly amazing how naive some guys are. Just shows how desperately bad things must be with women in Western Europe and USA!
I wonder how many of us wouldnt do the same if we were looking for a wife or a long term partner. I'd probably check out several girls and see which one best matched my needs. I'd also probably be a cheating lying scoundrel and juggle them around until I finally settle on the 'right one'.
JP2U, Oh, you are so right. I sometimes feel guilty, but then I remember that most of my life it was I that was "desperate" to find a woman. In the Philippines the tables are turned and whenever the guilt thing starts, I remember.....
Pimpster,,,,they realize! They are phising!
X Man
[QUOTE=Pimpster]I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.[/QUOTE]
I think that is precisely why they should make demands. They want to be wives, not doormats or sperm catchers for rejectsI would not marry a Filipina pauper but I would gladly help her negotiate. And I would do it for free. In my travels around the developed world (US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Ockerland), I have seen many good, young Filipinas make good wives to old (generally) white has beens. I salute them. I have met many good Filipinas here but I am an inveterate social snob. I warm when true class enters but I do not like the Atteneo fakes. So finding the right short nose is hard for this long nose.
I also salute X-man, Chocha, Cebu and some others here. The quality of posts on the Philippines board is much higher than the choir boy Thai thread. Allied to that, the Japanese one meets in the Phils are of a different caliber than the Bangkok pussycats. More Osaka guys, I guess. They certainly are a lot rougher and readier. What the Panthers (and their babrs) cudda done with them:)
If my girl of the moment sent me a message and said she doesn't have money to go to the Internet cafe...but she so much wants to chat with me everyday....I would be tempted to send some money. Probably wouldn't, but I would be tempted.
On the other hand, if they are in the Internet cafe everyday.....telling me about their money problems....my comment is ..."what the hell you doing spending money at the Internet cafe?"
Classic One:
"I'm very sick and need to buy medicine."
Wow, dragged herself to the Internet cafe while "very sick". My heart is bleeding.
Classic Two:
"We have no money for food" (If anyone has been following this thread, this gem comes from the fiance)
````` but I still love Filipinas.
X Man
Damn Domino,
Just when I think you are a complete luny, you come up with something extraorinarily lucid. Referring to your "wives" post....
Also agree that ISG Philippines has some excellent posts and some good people. I first figured out how to get laid in the Philippines 25 years ago so those posts I read just for the titillation. This site also gives great info on strategy, psychology, hotels, things to do, etc.
Some post are just plain fun. Love Domino's volunteer efforts btw. Just tell us how to send the 1000. Or, does she prefer to receive it in person?
I'm in Japan at the moment. Send me a pm if you plan to raise any banzai here anytime soon.
Yea, Japan. Instead of boinking 20ish women, I've had to put up with boinking 30ish women. But the lady Saturday night send me a message. "Thanks for Saturday night and Sunday morning too."
" Damn girl, the only thing I did on Sunday morning was bounce on top of your for thirty minutes." Oh, maybe she was thanking me for the cup of tea I served.
X Man
[QUOTE=Pimpster]I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? I don't think they realize that they are not in a position to make any sort of demands especially if they are not all that.[/QUOTE]
Don't be perturbed by their demands. These LBFMs can't be expected to know that guys who make 100K and still have all their teeth don't have to go trolling for pussy on the internet. They can afford the price of admission for bulimic Ameriskanks with silicone tits and plastic vaginas.
These girls don't realize that guys shopping in the Philippines are value shoppers looking for Walmart pussy. LBFMs enjoy being all things to all men, and this is exactly why they're such a great value for the money. Why not be a gentleman monger and return the favor? You can be anything they want you to be short of a ticket back to Candy Land. Remember that the same way that you have no way of verifying anything that they tell you, they have no way of verifying anything that you tell them. Match wits with the best little scammers in the world and enjoy the game. This is where you get to develop your creative side.
[QUOTE=Pimpster]I can't believe what some of these girls on here are asking for, you have to be making 100k you have to be this and that? [/QUOTE]
Let’s put things into prospective here with many people keep going on about these girls asking for more and more extravagant demands. However, the reverse of this, which is not widely seen here are the guys who fuel all this demand. I have seen many guys on chat sites who all claim to be “rich” promising god knows what to the girls. I recall one guy who promised that if the girl would be his woman, he would buy her a red BMW and sent her a photo of this, as well as $100 per month, yet she was happy to hang with me (quietly :) ). So it’s no wonder these girls are reaching for the sky with more unrealistic demands and yet in when was the last time you saw a marriage Filippina in your neighbourhoods doing that well?
Whatever happened to the art of conversation? Remember, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words, if you want to impress the girls just actually try going to the Philippines [u]leave the promises until after you’ve met them.[/u]
[QUOTE=Simmer][/QUOTE]Just thought I'd let you know that everything's still going well! She's met my parents, she's dead keen on sex (hell, has more of an appetite than me! Good old vitamin K helps though), and we're going off to PI land sometime in the near future.
[QUOTE=Simmer]Just thought I'd let you know that everything's still going well! She's met my parents, she's dead keen on sex (hell, has more of an appetite than me! Good old vitamin K helps though), and we're going off to PI land sometime in the near future.[/QUOTE]
Hi Simmer
Glad to know that things are doing fine for you,Remember I told you Good things were worth waiting for.Its nice to hear success stories like yours after all the horror stories on this thread.Let me know when you get to the PI and Maybe we could have a drink CL
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Hi Simmer
Glad to know that things are doing fine for you,Remember I told you Good things were worth waiting for.Its nice to hear success stories like yours after all the horror stories on this thread.Let me know when you get to the PI and Maybe we could have a drink CL[/QUOTE]Thanks CL - good idea. We'll be going to Negros and the Chocolate Hills so not too far from Cebu.
[QUOTE=Simmer]Thanks CL - good idea. We'll be going to Negros and the Chocolate Hills so not too far from Cebu.[/QUOTE]Sure why not,I would also be more then happy to buy you Lunch or Dinner.Cebu is like the main city for the region,Let me know when you come in cheers CL
Good luck! I met my Mahal in HK 5 years ago on my way to RP; I had told her that I would then see her again 30 days later, on my way back to BKK. Never made it back to BKK, just kept flying into HK every couple of weeks from Cebu to see her on her "Holiday".
Been married 3 years, never happier! All the while that we were courting and since we've been married, my career went into a tailspin (Telecom and stock market), but life goes on, we've been very happy. Just landed a career position at the Post Office, so maybe things are looking up career wise, but the 3 of us (13 month old daughter), again, are very happy.
She has also turned into a great cook!
When you getto Negros, I hope you'll pass through San Carlos City, nice little place, but the sidewalks roll up about 21:00. Have a great trip.
Chocha Monger,
Good point! My point was that. I can see some a perfect asking to marry someone for 100k. But, many of the girls that are asking for things like he got to have a phd, 100 k has to be this and that. They aren't even close to being hot. I would consider many of them average or below average, and kinda of rough around the edges or well groomed I. e. maicure etc. I wouldn't call them classy, well educated many of he so call colleges over there are sub par. Some of them have children and are past 28 years old and they don't want anyone more than 10 years older. I would be really curious to see if any sucker takes the bait.
Pimpster,
Not only will some guys take the bait, they will swallow hook, line and sinker as well. Some of these girls may well be pushing 30 yrs of age with a few kids but the force is still strong with their pussies. Some of them will use that pussy to play Jedi mind tricks on the most skeptical of men. When that is combined with an exceptional ability to play an exquisite tune on the skin flute most love and attention starved foreigners will find themselves running to their respective embassies to fill out the paperwork for a spousal visa. They will wear the Ring and it will be the end for them.
Three rings for the Elven-kings under the sky/ Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone/ Nine for Mortal Men, doomed to die/ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne...
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,/ One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.... -Lord of The Rings
Where is the best place and cheapist for bareback full sex in the Philippines?
[QUOTE=Johnson994]Where is the best place and cheapist for bareback full sex in the Philippines?[/QUOTE] Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL! It takes time but its cheap cos only going out on dates, best I had was met a girl in shop, she was working there asked her over for a swim. She arrived with out bathing suit! So went a bought one came back had great swim. Then instead of getting her to change in public area after swim. Suggest she has shower in room more better for her. Well there she is naked and showering, Just take it from there! I did and it cost me 50 pesos a day for her to catch tricycle to work and back from my hotel stayed for 2 weeks. And what ever I wanted when I wanted fo r the cost of 50 pesos a day! Cos she thought i marry her! Okay.
There must be at least 500 reports on this subject for anyone willing to take a couple of hours and read them. Why keep posting the same information?
GE
Well it's over a month since I left the Philippines but hardly a day goes by that one of the girls I spent time with doesn't spring some surprise on me.
The girl from Manila might actually meet me in Kansas City when I go there for a holiday in January. She's going to get her student visa in November and go study in Jacksonville, Florida. This will be a first for me to have a Filipina visit me in the States. Japanese girls used to go home with me when I lived in Japan. This girl is the most normal of the 4 that I spent lots of time with in July and August.
The girl from Cebu has been asking for money pretty regularly. No surprise there you say. The difference with this one is she comes from quite a well-off family. Her father is well connected with local politicians and businessmen. He's an electrical engineer and designed the digital message board at Santo Nino Cathedral. The family drive around an SUV and live in a nice house. They're also flat broke. Business has dried up and they've actually been using my girl's money to get food and gas for the ride. Now even that's running out so she's been asking for school money, electrical bill money, etc. True to my hard-hearted self I've evaded these requests. You really have to wonder about the Philippines economy if people like this are getting destitute.
This girl also stands out as a manipulator and schemer. Among other ruses she's pulled, she tried claiming she was a virgin to get me feeling more obligated. Even at the time it was obvious she wasn't. Lately she's been more forthcoming about past boyfriends, including one guy that I've met before. Small world.
The girl from Cagayan, as I reported before, informed me after I left the Philippines that she's been married for some months. Now she's saying that she really loves only me and she's willing to divorce the other poor sod for my sake. She's offering to meet me again for my short visit in November, but I'm not sure if even I'm that immoral. But she is great company, has a firm body to die for and is a dream in bed. So I'm afraid I will remain tempted.
The girl from Davao, who charms all in her path, ran away from home. Her chat window popped up one day from Pagadian, on the other side of the island from Davao. Her father, also a professional like the one in Cebu, is similarly out of work (Is this country getting worse than ever or what?). Some family quarrels followed and she felt like she needed to get away. She's now back in Davao, working hard to pay her expensive Ateneo fees. She hasn't asked for money yet, only hinting at it so far. I might consider actually bending my personal rules and opening the wallet some.
Mind you, these girls are all quite normal, girl next door types. All are college-educated, fun to be with, very pleasing for a man in all ways. Almost any guy would consider them marriage material. But after getting to know them fairly well, only 2 of them still seem like good long-term relationship material. The one in Cebu plays too many head games and the one in Cagayan also has obvious issues. So in this sample even some of the best of the nice, regular girls are only a 50-50 bet. Food for thought for any of these guys coming over on 1-week courtship and propose tours. Everyone out there keep a clear head.
Mahku,
Thanks for the very interesting posts.
Just curious, how do you know the family is flat broke? Have you confirmed this?
It just strikes me as the same old bullshiiiiiit many of the girls use. It's pretty obvious they share information just as we do. Hell, her bull (my assumption) is probably more believable because of the situation...and a true sucker might think there is more potential for being paid back. Why depend on Daddy to give an allowance when she can make as much as Daddy scamming?
I know a lady who seems genuinly to be well off. When we chat, she appears to be in a small apartment and from what I can see she's middle class, with a good job. She's never given me any reason to doubt her, which is besides the point...
Without me prying or anything she tells me some of her friends have quit their jobs in order to scam online. I guess it pays more.
Hmmm, virtual reality prostitution.
X
I found a yahoo message board which, at first sight, seems to imply it might be similar to this message board.
In fact, some girls post, but it's mostly a bunch of Sunday school banter. One guy writes in with a bunch of religious mumbo jumbo. The next post is quoted below. At first, I thought it was real. But, now I wonder....is this very subtle sarcasm? Maybe Dominic knows...
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Well, I am bringing my best friend with me to the PI in November. We
are looking for a really godly woman as well, and we'd like the Lord to
bring her to us, and give her to us.
How do we expect to meet her?
Probably by accident, fate, or God's working.
I don't know what to do or think. But putting messages on this board is
better than sitting at home watching a movie, right?
Some of us are just a bit lonely, and would love to have lifetime
partners.
Though much of the Philippines is a chimera, now appearing as one sort of reality, and then as another sort, the decline of opportunity for middle class professionals is, it seems, real. The country is simply not creating jobs, particularly in MIndanao, and foreign investment in this island is quite modest and shrinking. It's possible therefore, that everything claimed by the women to whom Mahku refers is true. Of course, it's equally possible that it's all bullshit as this is the land of the endless variations on the same (my carabao died) scheme. The internet merely offers scope for additional thematic variations.
Xman, if these bible thumpers are not attempting sarcasm, then I hope they're committed soon. This country has enough missionaries--most of them from the US--to start several new religions. They are having an impact, as the most rapidly growing religious movements here are not Catholic, but various evangelical sects. As if this place isn't nuts enough on its own!
:D
GE
X-man
1. The sites you draw our attention to are virtual substitutes of the old marriage dating agencies. More than 15 years ago, all kinds of minor cult members used to advertize in them. Women wives, mail order, remain the Pi's chief export.
2. Good Enough's post is great food for thought and the members of whacko religions want to get out as much as good Muslim/Catholic girls.
3. Don't let membership of this esteemed forum con you into believing that all Asian women want to be hookers/doormats for white guys.
4. Given the zero options available with being a good Catholic, it makes sense to join a whacko cult and divorce oneself off from the untouchables. Anyone familiar with India's caste sytem will understand this dynamic.
5. Davao is littered with whacko churches: they are well funded and dynamic. They offer certainty in this crazy country.
6. In Rizal Park every weekend (3 pm Sunday is best), the bible thumpers all meet and duke it out. It is great fun and a real eye opener. Domino has joined in on a few occasions and has won all his bouts. He has only met one Pinoy who knows the score: a burly schoolteacher he took for a goon/hitman told him the authorities are happy with this biblical circus as it keeps the unemployed masses happy with "bread and circuses". The priest opposite in San Pedro Cthedral, meanwhile, rabbits on, mentioning corruption etc but cannot hit the nail on the head as someone will then hit im on the head.
[QUOTE=X Man]Mahku,
Just curious, how do you know the family is flat broke? Have you confirmed this?
X[/QUOTE]
Very good point. In fact I can't even be sure that this girl is even a member of this family, and not just part of a well-planned scam.
That's why my rule when faced with these situations is this: Express total sympathy, believe only what I've seen with my own eyes, and above all cultivate a blank spot in my vocabulary for such words as 'Western Union.'
Laughed out loud when I read your post.
I'll assume you have a gut feeling that this girl / family is legit.
As Dominic rightly points out, not all the ladies are scamming and Xing. That would be a generalization and a stereotype which is very untue.
x
Ah Mahku, if I had not met you I would think you were something of a skeptic. Who could doubt the continuing soap opera-like epic that is life in the Philippines? Nothing here is sad; it must be tragic. The concept of liking does not exist, but loving madly certainly does. Mild anger is not within the Philippine lexicon, but screaming hyteria is common.
The personal life histories of these ladies are but microcosms of the political arena, in which there are villains and heros aplenty, and they are mostly interchangeable, but there are no shades of gray. This is a culture in which subtlety does not seem to exist, and which has no sense of its own irony.
This is a place deeply imbued with the importance of empty, but sweepingly dramatic symbolic gestures, which is what allows the government to pass myriads of laws to help the poor, few of which are ever implemented and even fewer of which are ever funded. This is a country that articulates wonderfully ambitious economic goals which, once trumpeted with great fanfare, slowly sink beneath the muck of public consciousness, never to be heard of again, only to be replaced by similar, if not identical fiats several months later.
Truth, as we would define the concept in the West, is not synonomous with truth here. Facts count far less than transient emotions, which may be expressed sincerely at the time they are uttered, only to be forgotten as the next emotion sweeps through. Therefore, if a girl needs to make up a preposterous story to express how she is feeling at a given moment, the recounted facts may be (usually are) bullshit, but the emotion is probably valid, albeit temporary.
Succinctly, life here is but a play, and the Filipinos, for the most part, merely players. The tragedy is that the farce has been running so long that it's now accepted as reality.
:D
GE
[QUOTE=Porty]Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL! It takes time but its cheap cos only going out on dates, best I had was met a girl in shop, she was working there asked her over for a swim. She arrived with out bathing suit! So went a bought one came back had great swim. Then instead of getting her to change in public area after swim. Suggest she has shower in room more better for her. Well there she is naked and showering, Just take it from there! I did and it cost me 50 pesos a day for her to catch tricycle to work and back from my hotel stayed for 2 weeks. And what ever I wanted when I wanted fo r the cost of 50 pesos a day! Cos she thought i marry her! Okay.[/QUOTE]Thanks. It seems you are the only one that answered my question. I am not that good looking but I will try a regular girl and then if I strike out I will look for a working girl. Where are the working girls?
[QUOTE=Porty]Really anywhere and everywhere ! But really you need to find girlfriend or a girl that thinks you will marry her ! Dont find working girl too! dangerous ok!.[/QUOTE]
There are semi-pro's who aren't dangerous at all. You'll know who those are if you're good friends with them for a few years. :-)
To your main point, it doesn't matter if you marry her but once you settle on one you wind up as good as married, since Pinoy traditions guarantee that (meaning: "as good as") will happen in due course. Anything other than a very short-term arrangement suggests both caution and being very sure you're making your best choice. Having a few semi-pro friends is great, kasi sometimes wala satas sa bahay mo, and you really do need an oil change, so text an old friend and say "meet me!".
As for the permanent arrangement, well, yesterday we're on the way to pick up some supplies in Zapote, and she says to me "we need to save for when we get really old and can't walk anymore, so that we can pay someone to look after us". (We have no kids and likely won't.) She knows that my money is her money and (unlike North America) the money she earns goes into our mutual pot too. It's really a "we" thing, was from the beginning, and after the years is even more so. On the other hand, when you have someone who cares almost *too* much it's really tough to get away for even a short while. She's too afraid something bad will happen if you go over to the next street after dark to have a drink with your neighbours, and will make sure to remind you of her fears at length an hour later. Means texting back new gf prospects way too often "siguro bukas na lang, cge?
Life is tough sometimes. You can have an "asawa", or you can be free. Having your cake and eating it too, requires a lot of magic, araw araw. The more she sincerely loves you, the harder it is to have fun.
[QUOTE=Porty]
If you want to go bare back! find your self a good girl that thinks you will marry her! NOT WORKING GIRL![/QUOTE]
I have a wonderful long-time friend. She's not a "working girl" by some definitions, but then again she does have a few bf's who make donations from time to time to support her and her kids, and I know that. I'd give too much away if I told how we met, but I'll reveal this much - the first time we really got together she ripped her panties due to a bit of urgency on her part. We still laugh about that. (no, this is not my wife!) First time there was just no way any condom was going to have any chance of being installed; too much heat happening. After, we had a talk about that. Yeah, she's fine, and we arranged for her to get un-pregnant, and I'm fine too. Now she *always* uses a condom, even with me, and reminds me that I taught her that. She reminded me again yesterday, and also that she's looking forward to "next time" anytime I can. BTW, I don't and have never paid her, but I do help her out sometimes, mostly times when we can't get together! Times we can and I have no money - money doesn't matter for that.
Guess who just woke up and came to see what I'm doing! I'd better make this actually useful contribution fast, and still without giving away anything she could attribute to me if she trips over this - and she knows enough that she might.
So there's this 18-year old gf-wannabe, out here in the provincial burbs of Manila. She finally got me to meet her mom, and Tatay, and Nanay and, and, and, the other day. She's well aware meron-asawa-dito-ko and is trying to figure out if I'm her friend or her lover or what. Her subdivision is the next thing to what looks to me like a squatters area and I'm not so sure I'll be accepting too many after-dark invitations to be there even with her and her family. Walking through the sludge to see her family's new "house" has me contemplating sending an elf of hollow-blocks, sand, gravel, and cement as a small gift. Not that it could even get close to where it's needed since the "street" is a whole single meter wide and that includes the open sewage "drain"! There's poor and then there's *poor*., and she's better off than a lot here! I wouldn't have gone in there if she hadn't dragged (escourted) me to her family. All this is within walking distance of our fairly upscale subdivision. She doesn't yet know that I will help her some, but I did leave her to think about how much of a gf she wants to be before I do anything more or even pass any clues.
CC, having problems following you. Were the last three posts about the same woman?
Unlike you, I love those visits to the places where ordinary people live. what a great experience. I've never regretted it, and sometimes regretted not talking someone up on an offer that was ....just too far.
Anyway....a quote...
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i am so longing that i can have my husband in other country like america because i know that the western man is honest, caring, faithful and good lover.
i am looking for long relation not in games but i am so serious of my search.
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Yea baby, I don't want to be your husband except for the sex parts, I'm honest (other than the numerous white lies) caring (for myself), faithful.....YEP, never had sex with a penis other than my own.....
good lover....probably not....seems like I have to pay for it a lot.
NOTE: When these ladies tell their lies and give their bullshit, please don't let them know that you know. If you do, you are just helping them polish their scams. Much better to reply, "Oh baby, how can I help!"
My Mongeror friends, I know this topic has been raised here before (by me), still no one came out with a good answer or a comparison, so I once again kindly seek your valubale advsie!. Also, how different are the prices in both places for ST and LT?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Skyway]My Mongeror friends, I know this topic has been raised here before (by me), still no one came out with a good answer or a comparison, so I once again kindly seek your valubale advsie!. Also, how different are the prices in both places for ST and LT?
Thanks[/QUOTE]It all depends on the quality of the girl and the amount of time you want to put in it. But lets say an average for the phils is 1200-2500 ST and 2500-3500 LT. I can't give you an average for Thai pussy as i haven't experienced that enough yet.
For anything else about Thai vs Flip I have only seen that Filipinas in general provide for a better GFE. But as my Thai experience is pretty limited i'm not the best to judge that.
[QUOTE=Johnson994]Thanks. It seems you are the only one that answered my question. I am not that good looking but I will try a regular girl and then if I strike out I will look for a working girl. Where are the working girls?[/QUOTE]Johnson994,
It all depends on where you are in the Phils or going to be. Almost every city has its own location where to get working girls. But in cities like makati, qc, ermita, davao or cebu its pretty easy to find them. Just read the forum thread that comes closest to your area.
[QUOTE=X Man]CC, having problems following you. Were the last three posts about the same woman? [/QUOTE]
Hehehe, no.
There is my wife (akin asawa Pinay), and then there are some Pinay friends. :) Bad news to mix them up! Though my friends have seen me with my wife more than a few times, and have later after some intimate moments remarked about how much they perceive her positive qualities and understand why most of my life is with her.
[QUOTE=X Man] Unlike you, I love those visits to the places where ordinary people live. what a great experience. I've never regretted it, and sometimes regretted not talking someone up on an offer that was ....just too far.[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'd *love* to go to a lot of places, but my current situation somewhat restricts my freedom to do so. It's a trade-off, and for me a fairly good one. All in good time.
[QUOTE=X Man]
Anyway....a quote...
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i am so longing that i can have my husband in other country like america because i know that the western man is honest, caring, faithful and good lover.
i am looking for long relation not in games but i am so serious of my search.
****
Yea baby, I don't want to be your husband except for the sex parts, I'm honest (other than the numerous white lies) caring (for myself), faithful.....YEP, never had sex with a penis other than my own.....
good lover....probably not....seems like I have to pay for it a lot.
NOTE: When these ladies tell their lies and give their bullshit, please don't let them know that you know. If you do, you are just helping them polish their scams. Much better to reply, "Oh baby, how can I help!"[/QUOTE]
You've perfectly illustrated why my current life-partner is my best choice, even if nothing is ever completely perfect. Meanwhile, my life isn't all *that* dull. I just have to be very careful and choose and make good use of my opportunities, and of course I can't post all that many truly personal details that would somehow get back to her and really screw things up. Having your cake and eating it too takes some skillful juggling.
For those fellow mongers who want further flexibility or lower cost than the Fly the Bus or Taxi options from Manila, you can take a short (5 min from Domestic terminal, probably 10 from Intn'l) cab ride to "5-Star bus lines" and they have buses every 30-60 minutes that leave for Dao (a short 6-8 min trike ride from AC). The trip is direct (only stops to take on passengers) and takes 90 min (maybe less if you do not come at rush hour like I did).
The bus cost is 127p and the cab and trike costs depend on your negotiation skills (I paid 100p for each). Buses are new, comfortable and have air-con and the attendants on the bus conveniently have change for larger bills (unlike every #$@#$# taxi and trike driver in PI).
The bus passed through EDSA so you could probably also board there if you are already in Manila, but I did not recognize the exact location.
[My apologies if this info is redundant but I did not see any bus mention in the several AC pages I read through.]
Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]I would say 100%.. Once you marry her, her family comes along as a package.. I have fallen victim to this and it is quite hard to say "no" when they come calling for various "things".. Yes, we have helped them start numerous businesses, buy cars, houses and for one reason or another, they would always bomb out... You (and your wife) will have to learn to say "no" or they will bleed you dry.. It comes down to the "haves" vs "haves not"... You have more than they do so you should pay everytime there is an emergency (or not)...
Have kept girlfriends in each location and none compares to the Philippines. After 4 years I can maintain loyal relationships there and they are sincere.
Thai girls are beautiful, but they are more different than Americans. Mongolians can be beautiful, but they are so remote in tehir culture and so tied to Russian history for their country that they don't identify.
Filipinas are the best and will stay with you with very few questions asked. A simple $150-200 will keep a premium grad student reserved for you in Manila.
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]They will not contact you. Your fiancee will be the one to either ask or use money you send her to help them.
It is virtually impossible now to sponsor relatives. In fact, it has become extremely difficult to file a K1 or K3 Visa. Most of them end up in Administrative Review. Length of time 3 months to over 1 year. Have you met this girl in person that you are planning to marry?
[QUOTE=Tatsuo]They will not contact you. Your fiancee will be the one to either ask or use money you send her to help them.
It is virtually impossible now to sponsor relatives. In fact, it has become extremely difficult to file a K1 or K3 Visa. Most of them end up in Administrative Review. Length of time 3 months to over 1 year. Have you met this girl in person that you are planning to marry?[/QUOTE]Tatsuo..
We just sponsored a family member (brother and his family) and it took approx 18 months.. Lots of phone calls and letter writing... And it does not stop once they arrive stateside... Not just the culture shock however, they will need complete care and feeding for the first two years.
Nothing to add, but I agree with the advice you're getting. I went through it as well. Listen to these guys. You NEVER marry just the girl.
FD
[QUOTE=nite_runner]Tatsuo..
We just sponsored a family member (brother and his family) and it took approx 18 months.. Lots of phone calls and letter writing... And it does not stop once they arrive stateside... Not just the culture shock however, they will need complete care and feeding for the first two years...[/QUOTE]I know this is my first post but I've been lurking for a while... If you bring her family to the states, you're screwed! Keep them in the phils and just send some money once a month or so... I married a little filipina and she should be here soon. She has mentioned her family coming for a "visit" but I just kinda let it float out there without an answer. I told her its ok if she sends half of her paycheck home every month once she's here and working and she seems ok with that. But I will not let her family come here! I have said in the past that it will be better if we just go visit them every now and then. She seems ok with that too. I've heard alot of horror stories about letting family members come here! You are responsible for them when they get here! I will NOT do that! I've also heard that once they come here, you're loving filipina wife will change as well! I don't know about it first hand but, I don't intend on finding out either!
Goodluck man!
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]
First off you (nor can your wife) can not sponser any non immidiate family member( IE, cousins nephews aunts uncles grandparents )unless they are under the age of 18 and you or your misses is the legal guardian of that person or they are invalids. Brothers and Sisters take anywhere from 3-10 years for approval and it has to show that they are a benifit to the US and will not be a burden on the social system. (IE educated or have a sufficent income/savings to support themselves in addition to what you would pledge if they fell on hard times.) 90% of the time the visas are denied. Also your new family members would be uneligable for any state aid benifits for a mimimum of 5 years once they were approved. Parents a bit easier and can take anywhere from 1-3 years depending on thier location. If they are visiting the US and deside to stay if they apply for the visa they can stay while there visa is under review. however this does not give them the right to work and free movemnet out of the US.
Take my advice if you dont want them to come here on a perminate basis then dont even invite them over. I made this mistake with a peruvian wife. Now I have a filipina and there is NO chance that will happen again.
NOTE: waiting times are on average they can and some times do take a bit longer
There is a form of undertaking that they can be made to sign at US visa section where they undertake not to attempt to change status once they get their visitors visa and giving the US the right to immediately cancell their visa and deport them if they attempt to do so.This might go down better with the little woman then saying I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOUR PARENTS TO VISIT US,In Filipino culture that is very cruel and heartless,90% of Filipinos would advice Marry the bastard,get your citizenship then Divorce him.A poll of 6 of my Filipina staff found that cruel and heartless.Much better to say Yes dear,They can come over to visit,but first they have to sign some papers........,you can also secretly fax the US embassy in Manila that they have intentions to change status.They will be denied off course their visas,then you can say,I wanted to have them over,but you know those#@%&%@$ guys in the embassy wouldnt allow them.....
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]There is a form of undertaking that they can be made to sign at US visa section where they undertake not to attempt to change status once they get their visitors visa and giving the US the right to immediately cancell their visa and deport them if they attempt to do so.This might go down better with the little woman then saying I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOUR PARENTS TO VISIT US,In Filipino culture that is very cruel and heartless,90% of Filipinos would advice Marry the bastard,get your citizenship then Divorce him.A poll of 6 of my Filipina staff found that cruel and heartless.Much better to say Yes dear,They can come over to visit,but first they have to sign some papers........,you can also secretly fax the US embassy in Manila that they have intentions to change status.They will be denied off course their visas,then you can say,I wanted to have them over,but you know those#@%&%@$ guys in the embassy wouldnt allow them.....[/QUOTE]
That form you were refering too no longer is available thanks to our supreme court. Since the US is the land of the free people are allowed to APPLY to change thier status any time they like however in only extreme situations do they get approved (ie there is a war or natural disaster ). They wont deport them however You as the american citizen is the sponser not the wife who may only have a 2 year temp resident visa. Best advice DONT sign anything !!!
Also once in the US all immigration matters are no l onger refered to the issuing county but to the district office of INS who may get reference from the originating country.
[QUOTE=Deep Diver]That form you were refering too no longer is available thanks to our supreme court. Since the US is the land of the free people are allowed to APPLY to change thier status any time they like however in only extreme situations do they get approved (ie there is a war or natural disaster ). They wont deport them however You as the american citizen is the sponser not the wife who may only have a 2 year temp resident visa. Best advice DONT sign anything !!!
Also once in the US all immigration matters are no l onger refered to the issuing county but to the district office of INS who may get reference from the originating country.[/QUOTE]Thank you for enlightening me,but again I am not into obtaining anything beyond tourist visas.I learned something new and useful today.Obviously not being American,I do not follow US immigration regulations much.I do some work for Canadian Immigration concerns but thats a different story.No wonder the rate of US visa denials has gone up from 85% to 96% recently.It must be tougher now thatthey can apply to change status without being forced to return to the PI to reapply Thanks again
on another front when did this SC take effect??,I have a natural born american citizen friend living in cebu with his filipina wife and 2 small kids,they basically denied his family a visa to visit the grandparents in the US unless he would sign a paper saying that they swore under oath not to change status when they visited the US and that he would be liable for perjury if he did so and gave the US the right to deport them if he did so.This was to ensure he would not shortcut the waiting period.He refused and the family just ended up going to Singapore and HK with Grandpa and Grandma.I am excited since this SC ruling could help my buddy??
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]on another front when did this SC take effect??,I have a natural born american citizen friend living in cebu with his filipina wife and 2 small kids,they basically denied his family a visa to visit the grandparents in the US unless he would sign a paper saying that they swore under oath not to change status when they visited the US and that he would be liable for perjury if he did so and gave the US the right to deport them if he did so.This was to ensure he would not shortcut the waiting period.He refused and the family just ended up going to Singapore and HK with Grandpa and Grandma.I am excited since this SC ruling could help my buddy??[/QUOTE]
I will find it via theinternet web page since all supreme court rulings are posted in one form or another along with each judges point and PM it to you when I have found it
Ok Guys i just got back from the Philippines, unfortunitly i only spent 4 days in manila and 20 days in cebu ! Did not have much time to go out as i had work and other things to do, but i did find something very intewresting.
I never new exsisted in the philippines, only in thailand !
Found a members only club which had floor show !!!!!!! I was lucky enough to spend the night with the Starlet of the show ! This was before i knew what the show was !!
Before 12 midnight it was just the normal show of girls dancing and taking bra's off etc , then once midnight came it was on for young and old! Listed below !
1/ 2 girls eating each other !! Wow !
2/ Smoking a full ciggarette with their pussy !! Amazing !
3/ A pussy sucking up a full bottle of San migual and then spraying the beer from the pussy of the audience !
4/ The united nations flags being pulled from the pussy !
5/ 3 ice blocks in the pussy then popping out in to a empty jug, folled by putting them in a glass of beer and having an audience member drink the beer!
The list goes on !!
The Starlet did tell me that they rarely ever have a foriegner ( Western ) go there as its private! Entrance cost is 2 beers at 150 pesos if i remeber correctly. Ladies drink are expemsive for westerners, bottle of beer 450 pesos but glass is only 190 pesos for the ladies. Rate girls ok bodies 7 to 8s all of them, faces well its up to each man what he likes, smiles 9s he he. boobies for filipino's 9s as i hate all the small breats girls from the proviences that are 80% in the clubs.
The main difference is that these girls you dont find at the normal clubs that we go to! they all have large tits smallest was 34 b, also they are around 5' 4 tall and taller, and very pale skin. These are not from the proviences thats for sure! Do they bar fine ? i have no idea as i was just out with a friend drinking for the night. But as i have made very good friends with the starlet i can fine out the situation if anyone is interested !!
The clubs name is called CHECK IN !!!
I do have the address as not many taxi drivers no it
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]Enjoyed reading all the responses. I married my filipina wife back in 2003 and made sure she was an orphan. Slight joke only. She has been estranged from her mother's side of the family for years and was raised by dad. He had TB when I met him and could see he wasn't going to be in the world long as it was evident he was on his way to congestive heart troubles. Younger brother was a druggie and older brother a bit of a bully to her when young. So guess what she has no interest in anybody coming around for any reason.
Now we just got back from a 15 day trip over there. I spent 3 days in Manila and then 12 days in Angeles partying. She spent 2 days with family (what's left) and came back with some tears in her eyes. Her nephews and nieces were skin and bones since her brother got himself into a motorcycle accident. What else is new? Saw her mother who only complained about her problems but didn't offer a hello or a hug of any kind. That really hurt her but she sucked it up. All that brought her back to me in Angeles as I am not going all the way out to Taytay in Rizal.
After a few days with me she was bored with Angeles as I spend most of my time drinking with Fred and Tony in Roadhouse and Champagne. This time visited school friends (had a better time) and cleaned up the area around her father's grave. Still she was glad to get back home as she found the Philippines too hot, too noisy, too smelly, carzy drivers, and unreliable power. I laughed at that as she lived there for 21 years.
Now at home she mentioned she might like us to get a home over there to use for vacations. I go no home is ever going to be cheaper than a hotel. Two, where will this home be since I spend my time in Angeles and Puerto Galera. So she says a home in a sub-division with maybe a smaller quarters off to the side. Hmmm! Yep, this would be for her brother, sister and law with their 4 children. So I simply say maybe some day after all we have here is secure and paid for so forth and so on. However, there would be definited rules such as not allowed in the main house, no pigs, no chickens, no roosters, no stray animals of any kind and no stray motorcycles. Basically rules like my friends in AC where parents are allowed over for a day only, no nights, and they must call a day or so ahead.
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]Hello,
I am a filipina and im just giving my own opinion regarding that. As what my cuzin experienced. She has 3brother and 6sister imagine that. She marry this guy from germany. That man knows everything about my cuzin, she never lie and that's good. They know each other thru chat. My cuzin help her family. But in conclusion she supporting her family financially. They have an agreement between my cuzin and his husband. [You can help and support your family once in a while, but the point of the husband is, there making there own family.] Hes just pointing out the right thing to do. My cuzins is very lucky for having supportived husband. GoodLuck and just have faith that everything will be settled in good conversation.
My opinion here is that you can talk to your fiance, what your plan. You can help her nephew and niece but before doing that decide first for yourself. Both of you will understand each other if you talk sincerely. Its good to talk about it now rather keep it to yourself. Marriage is not just a relationship but for long time period of time. So, its better to talk every single matters that involve your loveones.
To all of you, not all the filipina people wants a rich Expat to marry them. The facts saying that 93% filipina wants a rich man and 7% just want a good companion. Where just family oriented country so you cannot change that. Everybody here's is doing good to help and support there family's being OFW and so for. So hoping that all of you will understand that. In fact, through my own experienced i meet a lot of Expat from good to bad. Yes, i fall inloved twice but i never regret that. The reason why we broke up, we just not suit for each other, but still were good friends.And that's the good thing, no regrets. I loved to be GFE, for a week or a month because i want to know more about them. Its not just for fucking but to have someone who have a good sense of humor and a good companion. Is not the money, but the happiness that you will leave to them. That would be our price. Where not here just to earn, eventhough that was our reason. Where just extending our selves to them who in need of someone they can talk to and laugh with. Thank you.
Dannah Mae
[QUOTE=Dannah Marie]
To all of you, not all the filipina people wants a rich Expat to marry them. The facts saying that 93% filipina wants a rich man and 7% just want a good companion. Dannah Mae[/QUOTE]
Eh? Did you get that one backwards or does the fact that 7% are looking for a good companion and 93% are seeking a rich man prove your point through numbers only. If this is the case I would say that most to all are seeking a rich foreigner to marry and very few care about the relationship.
FF
[QUOTE=Frequent Flier]Eh? Did you get that one backwards or does the fact that 7% are looking for a good companion and 93% are seeking a rich man prove your point through numbers only. If this is the case I would say that most to all are seeking a rich foreigner to marry and very few care about the relationship.
FF[/QUOTE]
Dont Generalize,I personally know at least 8 upper middle class or higher Filipinas who have turned down rich foriegners.One good friend was on a modeling job in HK when this Arab dude sent her a pair of Diamond earrings worth 30 US$K to make her go out with him,She sent them back.She is a MTV .VJ.Another Female friend who came out in the Philippine Tatler as one of the top 10 most eligebile women in the Philippines.,has turned down rich Japs,Brits,Aussies,Chinese and is sticking with her Pinoy BF.I just booked them at Boracay over the long weekend.Maybe 7% is too high,lets try 2% maybe???
Anyone have any idea or where i would go here in makati to get a local id or drivers license in makati, need to get local rates at my hotel since it saves me one half the regular cost.
[QUOTE=Marc25]Anyone have any idea or where i would go here in makati to get a local id or drivers license in makati, need to get local rates at my hotel since it saves me one half the regular cost.[/QUOTE]You need an Alien certificate of registration to get a local drivers license,You have an ACR,You automatically are a local.But the problem is getting the ACR.The LTO office is located along Taguig Street,Barangay Olympia Makati.Good luck
[QUOTE=Marc25]Planning to marry my girl,non pro,,farm ,sending her to nursing school which to my surprise she is excelling and enjoying,,she has 4 brothers and 3 sisters ,none of whom is rich,,also she has 10 nieces and nephews,,anyone with experience ,what do you think the chances are that she will want or be pressured to sponser all her relatives,,i am doing okay but not for 20 people,,there has been no contact to date or interest as none of them are destitute ....[/QUOTE]
Once married and settled, a Filipina because of her culture will have the urge to act as a 'savior' to her family or relatives who are in need. Although you mentioned that her family or relatives are not destitute, you will really never know where they stand economically until it hits you. You should try to control your would-be wife's urge even as you start the relationship. Negotiate. Explain what would work for both of you and have her agree to it. If it requires that she work for what ever she sends back home then lay it down. Make it certain that your own family comes first before anything else.
Found this on one of the online matchmaking sites.
hello to all....
hi im ***...i have a sense of humor as my fren found their stomach aching in laughing..hehehh just teasing here..will i dont know why im here maybe it just that..im bored or what...but i suggest you will have to know me better and you will see me mysterious..its a challenged from me GUYS....
so hold on your breath as you enter me for once your in me you will be tie by me hahaha..im serious and i mean it...looking forward to seeing you here..
***
I am married to a filipina and we both live in South Korea. While it is true that my wife wants to help her family out as much as possiable. We have talked about it and have agree only to help her brother get through college. Also if you marry a filipina remember there are a lot culture differences between american culture and filipino culture. You will have to work these out between the two of you and be aware that there will be a lot of fightning the first 1 to 3 years because of culture difference.
Bigchez
Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X
[QUOTE=X Man]Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X[/QUOTE]
Basically it means having a roof over there head, food to eat, and a minimal amount of money for there personal needs. Having expensive items or things of materialistic value is not important to them.
[QUOTE=X Man]Going through the personals, I can see so many of these ladies describe themselves as simple. Simple?
What exactly do they mean by that? I know many are rather poor, so they may mean "of simple means".
Am I missing something?
X[/QUOTE]
I think it means they are "low maintenance." They don't need/want a lot of luxuries. You won't have to take them out a lot. They will be content with a nice home and a husband who is responsible.
I think a lot of them say whatever they think you want to hear though. She may hook you and suck you dry.
[QUOTE=J Boy]I think it means they are "low maintenance." They don't need/want a lot of luxuries. You won't have to take them out a lot. They will be content with a nice home and a husband who is responsible.
I think a lot of them say whatever they think you want to hear though. She may hook you and suck you dry.[/QUOTE]
What J Boy is saying about "they can hook you and suck you dry" is somewhat of a true statement, but I would like to elaborate on that some more, as well as address further the "living simple" statement, and meeting a filipina over the internet as X Man is attempting to do. I do have considerable experience in the Philippine culture and it is my belief that many of the women you will meet over the internet who reside in the major metropolitan area's such as Manila and Makati will scam you, and tell you whatever you want to hear as this is there hustle, preying on men by manipulating them with falling in love with them. Contrary to this, you will find many women who are from the provinces who do live a simple lifestyle with just the basics and are happy with that. They to are on the internet, but most are on there seriously looking for love and affection. Yes, they are also seeking stability, security, and opportunities, but what woman doesn't? It does not matter what part of the world you are in, and you cannot blame them for this. We all want to have the very best and we establish our goals to achieve it. I truely believe a filipina woman when it comes to having a relationship or marriage is the premier woman in the world today, because of there passion to please there man, and they recognize that a man is the leader in a household. Family means everything to them and they will treat you like a King no matter what materialistic things you may have, or the type of lifestyle you can offer them. They are happy people even getting by on a modest means.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]You need an Alien certificate of registration to get a local drivers license,You have an ACR,You automatically are a local.But the problem is getting the ACR.The LTO office is located along Taguig Street,Barangay Olympia Makati.Good luck[/QUOTE]I live in AC and do so on a tourist visa for the past 2 1/2 years, with perioidic visits to the US.
I have a drivers license here and no alien certificate.
I simply wne to LTO and rec'd it (a temp one) the same day. The plastic one took 6 months though.
Thank you for the comments on what "simple" means. I would like to elaborate just a bit on what "on the go" has written.
I generally avoid the ladies who claim to be from "Makati". More than a few are scammers who seen to think a Makati address looks more sophisticated.
Girls from the province should not be trusted unconditionally. I met a conniving little b..tch from Davao. I had a lot of fun with her, but her "fiance" was a bit disappointed.
No problems when I was with her, since I was fairly generous, but she pulled every trick out of her little black e-mail bag after I was back home. Really pathetic. Some examples...each from a seperate email (she had money for the Internet cafe!):
We have no money for the electric bill.
I will send you a copy of the bill to prove to you.
My mother asked me to ask you for help.
We have no money for food. My father hasn't had work.
I missed my period. I'm very worried honey.
This was back in August/September. The other day she sent me her picture, wearing new bikini (not the one I bought her) poolside at the Mandalay Hotel.
On the plus side, if anyone is interested in her, let me know. Small, slim and will do it on the first date. Usually has to go home early, so leaves you time for evening play. She will give you GFE. just give her an incorrect email address. :-)
CL,
I've gotten drivers licsenses at both Angeles and San Fernando LTO's with just a passport (US) for ID. Just used a business that I know for the address.
FD
[QUOTE=Firedick]CL,
I've gotten drivers licsenses at both Angeles and San Fernando LTO's with just a passport (US) for ID. Just used a business that I know for the address.
FD[/QUOTE]FD,I stand corrected,I forgot that Provincial LTO offices are not as strict as Makati.But Makati LTO was looking for an ACR,Well I learned something new and useful Thanks FD
I just recieved this email moments ago from a girl I have been emailing and talking to actually in Makati where she works at a call center. I had to laugh since it was exactly what we were speaking about with the simple life and all. She is actually from Olangapo.
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 04:48:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "rhia xxxx" <rhia_xxxx@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: MY HONEY KO!!!!!!!!!!
To: "edward xxxx" <eddiexxxx2000@yahoo.com>
i was so touched with your letter...... you really touch my heart, you really do........ I love your sincerity and honesty, and all the passion you show for life and for our friendship. I wish you would not work so hard as it is not that important to me, if we ever decide to build a serious relationship like I want. I know I want but I know you tell me you are not ready and I can appreciate that, as most men would lie to me, and you have never done that or mis lead me.
Please dont over work yourself for you work to many long hours. I can wait to see you soon, we dont need more money honey, all i want is
2 be with you..........im a simple girl, just love me, that is enough....
honey, please take care of yourself... i will be waiting for you.
mwaaahhh!!!!!!
your future wife & queen,
Rhia xxxx
C L,
You should have been there to read the written test for the motorcycle licsense that I took in San Fernando. I was laughing out loud at some of the questions ! The Pinoys around me must have thought me nuts !
FD
Don't laugh though, she could be a true gem, you just have to wait and see.
I met maybe 50 Filipinas online and through snail mail (well, maybe several hundred contacts, but only met about 50 in person). There were 3 or 4 scammers or something like that but the rest appeared legit. The one I wound up with has been with me for 5 years through thick and thin (it has been very thin the past 3 years) and we are quite happy. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Harvey Wb]Don't laugh though, she could be a true gem, you just have to wait and see.
I met maybe 50 Filipinas online and through snail mail (well, maybe several hundred contacts, but only met about 50 in person). There were 3 or 4 scammers or something like that but the rest appeared legit. The one I wound up with has been with me for 5 years through thick and thin (it has been very thin the past 3 years) and we are quite happy. Good luck.[/QUOTE]
I am not laughing at all Harvey Wb, and when I said I was laughing it was because of the timing of the email came immediately after I was making my post regrading Filipinas stating they have "simple lives". The point I was making was that in IMHO 90 percent plus of the girls who are living outside the major metro area's are very serious about finding that special love one to put in to there lives. As I stated in my initial post on this subject below, I feel Filipina women make the greatest lovers in the world because of there dedication and devotion to family and to there man.
As far as I go, I am not interested in any girlfriends or relationships. I love them all and could never be faithful. In addition I love having my own space and freedom and that is why a relationship would never work for me. I would be miserable as hell!!!. This is what I told my friend who responded with the email I posted. The girls I choose to correspond with, and share in friendships with, I never mislead or give them false hope. I make it very clear that I am not the relationship type of person who would make a good lover, for the reasons I just stated.
I think online dating for filipina is a big waste of time at lease for me anyway
just got back from a trip to pi 3 days in manila 4 days in cebu , be talking to
10 filipina in online dating contact all of them by cell phone 3 no show after
set up meeting , one bring her mom to my hotel only 17 yr old , one bring her
cousin after work 2 hr late and 2 are virgin want to save it after marriage and
only one with action 25 yr old don,t look anything like photo and ask for money after , i have much better luck in china on freebie may be because i
am chinese and speak cantoneses.
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]I think online dating for filipina is a big waste of time at lease for me anyway
just got back from a trip to pi 3 days in manila 4 days in cebu , be talking to
10 filipina in online dating contact all of them by cell phone 3 no show after
set up meeting , one bring her mom to my hotel only 17 yr old , one bring her
cousin after work 2 hr late and 2 are virgin want to save it after marriage and
only one with action 25 yr old don,t look anything like photo and ask for money after , i have much better luck in china on freebie may be because i
am chinese and speak cantoneses.
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
Hi Fast Eddie,
you are serious about the girl taking with her a chapperone???? O man...this sucks big time!!! I mean...wtf they think???
My girl in Filipinas is 23....and i asked her if it was ok for her parents if she spends her free time with me in a hotel. Her parents didn't object because they said she was old and wise enough.
I usualy also try to find (online) 3-4 honies to meet up when i am there. I am curious how things will go if i am in the filipinas....i am a first timer.
Anyway.....sorry man you had such bad experience in the filies.....
Johan.
Not unusual. I met many girls and several had chaperones, but my mongering was kept separate from my "meetings".
Had a friend who ditched a girl for her chaperone cousin, LOL.
I’m continuing this here because it seems to belongs here rather than the Angeles site.** If you are using online sites you will likely find girls all over the map…including Filipinas in Hong Kong. Some sites I know of: 2mu in AC, Cherry Blossom, Filipinaheart, Euro???, Friendfinder. Please feel free to add to the list, I’m sure there are hundreds of places. You can also do Yahoo member search by area, but I haven’t had much luck there. Quite a few of the yahoo ladies I dug up never replied. Probably middle-class types who already have boyfriends.
**BTW, does this topic deserve its own thread? It would be nice to share notes. We could also swap profile info if we are subscribed to different services. I’ve been at Cherry Blossom, but may soon discontinue.
Reading the posts in the AC thread:
Junior, what do you mean when you say, “hence, thats why a majority of guys (who visit online friends in PI) are rather old.” I don’t understand the cause / effect relationship.
Raspewtin, I generally agree with the three categories you have presented, but I can think of a few others. Here’s one:
Ladies who want you to send them money, sometimes known as scammers. Many are extremely good looking and willing to show some skin…for a price. Don’t send money and don’t get your hopes up to high when you get in-country.
Ace of S, it doesn’t bother me that they chat with many people (I do), but it bothers me when they are chatting with many people at the same time and they are on cam. I guess it’s a jealousy thing. You say that most seem like scammers, but that’s not my experience. Where are you meeting all these scammers?.
X
Online
A while back someone asked about success rates for non pros that I met online. Since I had a very small statistical sample, I was worried that the success rate I gave may have been an exaggeration. I think I said something like 50%. Having just returned from the Philippines, I can say that after sampling a larger group (pun intended) 50% still seems valid. Out of five ladies I met face-to-face, I had sex with three of them – all three on the first night, although one of them made me wait for the second night before there was insertion (she claimed to be a virgin). As for the two I didn’t score with, I didn’t try. In fact, I didn’t really try with one of the girls I scored with, but she knew what she wanted. There were two additional women who wasted my time, but I never met face-to-face.
Does anyone want to hear the boring details?
*** disclaimer: I do not know for sure if all these girls were truly non-pro. I have my doubts about at least one of them. I gave about 500 for transportation money to two of them. One asked "what for" and the other just took it. Both wanted to spend more time with me. The "virgin" spent several days with me and she got a 2000 peso budget in addition to the fact that I covered all expenses. She tried to give it back to me on the last day.
[quote=X Man]Junior, what do you mean when you say, “hence, thats why a majority of guys (who visit online friends in PI) are rather old.” I don’t understand the cause / effect relationship. [/quote]
[B]X Man[/b]
I have been at this corresponding business for twenty odd years, but as I have pointed out that when I begun it was via air mailed letters, however, from my experience of these on-line sites that you have mentioned [size=1](it would be useful to others if you put in hyper-links)[/size]
[b][u]The Cause[/u][/b]
You will find that many of these guys who are chatting to these younger prettier girls, all claim to be:
(a) handsome, some claim to look like Brad Pritt, Tom Crusie or a younger version of George Clooney.
(b) rich, and many claim to earn six figured salaries work for large major companies and hold positions of power. Not only that many of these guys also claim that they can get these girls high paying jobs in their countries at the drop of a hat.
(c) well travelled, and are constantly travelling the world and will soon be in their neighbourhood to meet these girls.
[b][u]The Effect[/u][/b]
Many of these girls believe this bullshit, and all the rest of the excuse for a while and become a bit too selective about who or whom they wish to correspond with because after all which sounds better having a guy that’s handsome, rich and is a frequent fl(liar) always on business or having some average guy who boasts to be none of these things?
The reality is that in my experience and I know that this was backed up by a census that was carried in Thailand a few years ago, was that something like 90% of the guys that were actually arriving there were aged 40+. Hence that is why I say the only people travelling to the Philippines tend to be the old or the bold one who do travel. This is no big deal really but for any guy who is serious about seeking a wife from the Philippines I would suggest you actually go there ASAP, if you start corresponding with decent girls before all these other guys fuck her brain up with their sweet sounding lies.
[b][u]My Experience [/u][/b]
If you had time I could really tell you some interesting stories, but just a quick one, I have a good friend from Cebu who is one of the original girls I used to correspond with, she is now married and has two kids and live with an ex-serviceman in one of the Midwestern states, I keep in touch with her family and we still exchange Christmas cards.
I actually wrote to about thirty girls at that time, but I actually used to travel to Cebu, I recall one girl who was in the province of Cebu, who after writing for a while sent me a letter saying she had met some handsome guy and was going to marry him and live in his country. I visited Cebu, six weeks later and would hire a taxi for half a day to drive me to the provinces to actually knock on these girls doors, just to say hello. As I was passing her [i]Baranguy[/i] (village) I stopped and with some difficulty actually found her home because there are no formal streets as you would find in other countries.
So I went into see her and was surprised at her because she was OK, nice body ([i] I’d fuck it[/i]) face was average, I can only guess the photo she sent me originally was when she was much younger and fresh faced. What I discovered was that one, she couldn’t speak English very well, had little formal education and shock and horror she was not the one writing letters to me, it was her cousin – who was a GUY(?) Spent and hour at her home, speaking through her cousin and left, even the taxi driver was surprised by her and then tried to offer me a cousin of his who as a real college girl and beautiful. I am in Cebu for two weeks, and two days later I had visited Toledo with my friend’s family as I like seeing the countryside left early in the morning came back at around 8pm. I walk into my hotel and this girl is waiting for me with a female cousin or friend, are waiting for me in the lobby, turns out they had been waiting for me since early afternoon.
Anyway my friend mother and father are with me and intervened, being Filippino-Chinese they are very protective of their guest. The jest of it was this girl had travelled and waited all day and really wanted to be with me and says its too late to go home now, can they stay in my room. My friend’s mother says stuff, in Tagalog with arm movements and raised voices and basically (I am assuming here [i]get the fuck back home you w-h-o-r-e![/i], they never gave me a translation) gets her purse out gives her some money and send them on their way home. For the rest of the time I was there this girl was calling the hotel every day, leaving messages saying she wanted to meet me, and this way before the mobile revolution, then when I left was writing saying she wanted to be with me, she loved me and wanted to marry me, or rather I should clarify and say her male cousin was still writing the letters. I did write back once and told her I was getting married, thinking that would be the end of it. But about a year later she writes back asking if I am still married and that she still wants me etc, and send me some revealing photos in a bikini, taken in a studio, which as most of you already know girls from the provinces do not readily wear bikinis.
That is only one story but I have hundreds, if only I had time.
[size=1] X Man I suggest you write to Jackson asking for a specific thread for online dating and web chats discussion.[/size]
X-MAN,
I have met them in various chat rooms. Typically, the girl will claim she is in love with me in just a few days and then ask for money. At that point, I don't bother talking to them anymore.
Junior:
I have been meaning to ask you about your experiance with FILIPINA outside the Philippines. For example, HK, KOREA, JAPAN or maybe even back in the States. Do you find them just as sweet as in their country or do you find them different?
If you wish to comment on adding a seperate thread for info regarding online encounters, you can do so at this location: Click on "All the Forums" and go to the bottom where you will find "Site Admin" and then click on "suggest new forums".
I posted this request:
Currently in the Philippines section there is a discussion about online dating and web chat encounters (in Angeles and Filipina threads). I think there is enough interest to creat a seperate thread for this growing method of meeting and wooing the objects of our affection -- without getting burned in the process.
X Man
[quote=Ace of Spades]I have been meaning to ask you about your experience with FILIPINA outside the Philippines. For example, HK, KOREA, JAPAN or maybe even back in the States. Do you find them just as sweet as in their country or do you find them different? [/quote]
[b] Ace of Spades[/b]
First off, I am not from the States, I am British but as you are Canadian and belong to the Commonwealth you will understand that here in the UK we don’t have many Filippinas. I have only ever seen one young guy (under 35) with a Filippina girlfriend or wife. Most of the Filippinas we tend to see here are aged 30+, former nurses and typically married to a much older guy of around 65+. In the UK there are many Indian girls because the Indian subcontinent is part of the Commonwealth. I don’t know why there are not many younger Filippinas in the UK, even my Swedish friend from Gothenburg commented that in her home city there were more young Filippinas compared to London; she was one of these Korean adopted by a Swedish family when Korea used to export their unwanted babies. I doubt the average Englishman on the street could make out the Filippino accent, whereas I could.
I have met sevral Filippinas who have visited London and through a friend of a friend I would be sent an e-mail asking if I could show this person around London and look after them, but only in the social sense not sexually. But these girls tend to be educated overseas and have wealthy parents who expect their daughters to marry a future Senator or even future President of the Philippines.These are for want of a better word “high maintenance”.
In other countries, in HK you have to frequent the malls on Sunday morning where all the Filippinas hang around on Hong Kong Island near the Star Ferry, for open air Sunday service. I once met a nice girl there by accident because she was starring at me so I started speaking to her she worked as a domestic. It’s a pity I was not in HK for long because I am certain I would have been tapping her ass.
[size=1][b]X Man[/b] – Can do, if you want to start that thread.[/size]
The reason why I asked is because I have had experiances with FILIPINA abroad where they been totally afraid of me, "stuck up" and had this funny atitude towards me like "at least I am not Black." I have seen this in TAIWAN, HONG KONG and even my own country where these girls think they are in DISNEYLAND doing the most undesireable work in a given country A friend of mine named CLANDESTINE on this board from the US has had the same experiance and on many different occasion.
I have concluded that the girls who can afford to go abroad and are NOT AVERAGE. They belong to the middle or upper classes in the Philippines. Hence, they can be very selective in who they talk to and require high maintenance as you have sugguested. These girls just ain't sweet and are too WESTERNIZED.
As for the UK, I believe as you indicated filipina would be coming as nurses and I believe hospitals would require extensive experiance before hiring them after graduation. So this might explain the lack of young fresh filipina there.
Just a couple of notes:
In Canada, Philippinos are curently hover around 3-4 of the highest number of immigrants brought in each year. Most of these immigrants gravitate to either Toronto or Vancouver. I read a recent report that said Toronto had a Philippino population of 150,000 in 2001. How do they get here? A large number come over on the care-giver program (become of live-in nanny for two years, then gain automatic status as permanent resident), but many also gain admittance on their own competence in skills or education. In short, to be an immigrant to Canada, these Philippinos must have skills, education and some money.
You can get into Canada on the care-giver program fairly easily (take note for mongers who want to bring their girlfriends). What is needed is a contract for employment and go through the gov't process. I can write a full report on the process if the community wants it. If they don't have this help from Canada, the philippina needs to pay an agency around $3-5,000 USD to basically line-up the job and file some papers. What a rip-off!
For any kind of immigration, they need education. Even the care-giver program requires around 2 years of college as this is equivalent to a high-school education in Canada. The upshot of this ramble is that the philippina in Canada is very different from what the mongers typically experience in The Phil. They have education and some access to capital.
Can you get a sweet Philippina in Hong Kong - absolutely!!! But you must remember that these women are not stupid. They know the score from either personal experience or that of their friends. Even the sorriest-looking expat can get a harem of girlfriends. The girls only have one day off per week. So, if you want to get crazy, you can have a grilfriend for each day of the week. In fact, I've known some men who have tried that (although it causes havoc on public holidays).
I hope this report has some value. It's early in the morning here in Canada and I'm a bit sleepy.
Cheers,
Tooch
These philippinas in HK have either had their heart-broken or have friends with stories. So, they have become very battle hardened and are not easily seduced. You can still seduce them, but it will take some time in many instances which is something a travelling monger does not have.
Hi Tooch,
Would you mind posting that care-giver report? Thinking of getting one myself in the near future. I was just in Manila for a month.
Thanks,
IB
I am adding this report here, as suggested by X Man.
Filipina Chat Sites, My Three Pesos
I joined a Filipina dating site a few weeks back, and my inbox has been absolutely flooded with girls from all over the PI who want to meet up. I have chatted with many, to the point where it sometimes occupies too much of my free time.
Meeting even a reasonable fraction of them is out of the question, as the duration of my trip to the PI in Feb will be 2 weeks, and I will only hit 3 destinations. But I will be one of the guys that actually travels the distance and meets a select few. Sounds like a great way to spend a holiday to me.
On the dating site, I have found a few real gems, a few wastes of time, and a couple of scary-looking trannies. However, in general, they all seem to fall into 3 distinct categories:
1. Very young and innocent young lovelies, who claim to be virgins (and likely are), and want Prince Charming to give them (and sometimes also their families) a better life.
2. Mid-twenties to early-thirties lovelies, who usually have kids and want Prince Charming to give them and their kids a better life.
3. Older and usually not-so-lovelies, that want a man with a pulse and at least a few bills in his wallet.
If I goes well, I may post a few highlights next month. As for the genuinely sweet ones, they will remain private.
Raz
Tooch:
I am also here in Canada. I am all ears. If you care to post your knowledge and details on the care-give angle, I would appreciate it greatly.
Raz
Non-Canadians, please ignore this post
HOW BRING YOUR FRIEND OVER TO CANADA FOR A NEW LIFE UNDER THE CARE-GIVER LIVE-IN PROGRAM
Eligibility for Care-Giver Program
She must satisfy these three criteria;
1) have the equivalent of a Cdn High School Education. This translates to 72 college credits in the Philippines
2) must have a basic speaking understanding of English (or French!) This is so they can function in society and can do a basic task like call 911 if necessary
3) they must have some proven skill/ability to take care of children/elderly. This means they have either six months of full-time training to do this OR they have experience being a nanny to children or a care-giver to the elderly. This means they must have been employed at this task. How Long? 12 months employment during the last three years, including six months of continuous employment with one employer.
How to get the process going;
She needs to have someone offering her a job and go through the paper process with Citizenship and Immigration Canada (please google website) This is a rather straight-forward process. In fact, they give you a kit for everything you need to do. They also have a help line. Of course, you can always go to an agency and pay $3-5,000, but that is not necessary if you hustle to find someone willing to "sign the contract" and fill-n some applications.
The important thing here is to have the job offer and go through the process whereby she cleared to come to Canada. She could theoretically come to Canada and never work for that person. She can always quit. She is able to stay in Canada for one year while looking for new employment. The good news is that she will find a job very easily.
Important Note: one of the requirements of the Care-Giver LIVE-IN program is that the nanny is supposed to live with her employer. However, I know many who have their own apartments and I very much doubt they will ever get caught.
Getting Permanent residency;
Once she has 24 months of accumulated residency in Canada (if she is unemployed during the period or she goes on vacation to the Philippines, this time is deducted), she may apply for an open work permit to work at any job -as well permanent residency. Permanent Residency is pretty much automatic. She can also apply to bring her family (husband and children if applicable) to Canada at that same time -which will be granted in time (about one year). From there, she will be able to apply for Canadian citizenship in three years (instead of the normal 5 years as she has already completed two years).
Time-Frame:
Because of the high volume of immigration applications from the Philippines, there will be wait of 8-12 months from the time the application is submitted before she arrives in Canada. If she come from another country like Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Dubai, etc., then the waiting is drastically reduced. For example, it is usually only a four month wait from Hong Kong
Good Luck! I hope this inspires someone to help that special friend. I did this almost three years ago. My friend is now a permanent resident and I am glad I was able to help her change the quality of her life.
Cheers,
Tooch
You're a good man Tooch and thanks for the info. BTW, I'm also in Canada.
IB
Tooch
Thanks for posting the Info,A special friend of mine is also leaving for Canada this year under the program.Her papers are already with the embassy.But being non-resident Canadian,I had to have a friend in Toronto hire her.Cheers
[QUOTE=RasSpewtin]I am adding this report here, as suggested by X Man.
Filipina Chat Sites, My Three Pesos
I joined a Filipina dating site a few weeks back, and my inbox has been absolutely flooded with girls from all over the PI who want to meet up. I have chatted with many, to the point where it sometimes occupies too much of my free time.
Meeting even a reasonable fraction of them is out of the question, as the duration of my trip to the PI in Feb will be 2 weeks, and I will only hit 3 destinations. But I will be one of the guys that actually travels the distance and meets a select few. Sounds like a great way to spend a holiday to me.
On the dating site, I have found a few real gems, a few wastes of time, and a couple of scary-looking trannies. However, in general, they all seem to fall into 3 distinct categories:
1. Very young and innocent young lovelies, who claim to be virgins (and likely are), and want Prince Charming to give them (and sometimes also their families) a better life.
2. Mid-twenties to early-thirties lovelies, who usually have kids and want Prince Charming to give them and their kids a better life.
3. Older and usually not-so-lovelies, that want a man with a pulse and at least a few bills in his wallet.
If I goes well, I may post a few highlights next month. As for the genuinely sweet ones, they will remain private.
Raz[/QUOTE]Date websites are an excellent way to meet Filipinas. I met my wife on a website called Cherry Blossems and before I meet her I had a lot of fun with many on the women from the website. There are also some Filipinas that will introduce you to their cousins, aunts, and sisters to try to give them a better life. My wife and I are going to do a free website to try to find some good american men for her younger sister and some of her single cousins. As for Raz in my experience you are right the filipinas fall into those three areas. There is one more I like to add.
Sweet and hardworking, a filipina that has gone outside the Philippines and has a job in Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, etc.... They are very loving and look for good qualities in a man. They do not look for money because many of them are making decent money.
Bigchez
Bigchez, did not meet my wife on CB, but met many friends. My wife and I still chat there occasionally (I introduced her to the site). I did meet 32 chatters in Davao just before I proposed and took them all to Jack's Ridge, overlooking the city. Actually, I started inviting people 1 month before my trip and it kind of snowballed from there. My now wife was stuck in HK as an OFW and was not amused few of your favorites.by my shenanigans. About half of the ladies are now in the US but we lost track of some who are still in RP.
It was/is a great way to make friends and possibly get to meet a few. I wrote/chatted with hundreds in the 5 years before I made my first trip and met 7 or 8 that stood out. Then I got to meet many more as friends in subsequent trips.
Hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. I called my gf today (remember its Valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in PI) and ask what she is going to do at Valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
The mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and I would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at Mistys.
In fact I know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
Why do I post here? Just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
Personally, it gave me some thinking, cause I only believe what I see, specialy in SEA.
Everyone have a good day!
Blink157
[QUOTE=Blink157]Hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. I called my gf today (remember its Valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in PI) and ask what she is going to do at Valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
The mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and I would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at Mistys.
In fact I know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
Why do I post here? Just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
Personally, it gave me some thinking, cause I only believe what I see, specialy in SEA.
Everyone have a good day!
Blink157[/QUOTE]
Blink
There are many genuine cases of females in need,But there are many bullshitters also.You still have to be on guard.For example,A internet cafe I frequently visit is located on Burgos in Makati.Speaking Filipino and Cebuano,I overhear what the bargirls discuss and once I heard a girl tell her friend,that so far Her Aunt DIED 16 TIMES this year already.Take care and best regards
[quote=blink157]hello to all,
just a little bit off the topic. i called my gf today (remember its valentinesday after xmas and before holy week a mayor holiday in pi) and ask what she is going to do at valentines and she says she was visiting a funeral of her friend.
the mother of her friend died, she had cancer for some time and i would know that girl , cause she was also working in a chat and before she worked at mistys.
in fact i know the girl and she was always telling that she worked there, cause her mother got sick with cancer and they had to sell the house and thats why she worked there , because she needs money to pay the bills and medicine.
why do i post here? just to tell that it s not allways bola2 made up just to get some easy money or some extra cash to support the filipino bf or so.
personally, it gave me some thinking, cause i only believe what i see, specialy in sea.
everyone have a good day!
blink157[/quote]
i agree that sometimes it is true, but the 99% of the time that it is false keeps those who truly need help from receiving that help. so who is at fault here? the girls should not be so quick to embrace the bs side or to accept those who do pull the bs on foreigners. they are at fault not guys who are not willing to believe the bs while trying to peel the layers to see if there is truth. the sad part is on the filipina side.
ff
FF is dead on. And if you have to peal layers, that's already a good reason to just say NO.
I once had a Filipino professor in uni in CA. He said something like , "Filipinos are like the survivors of a sinking ship." "While in the water they'll desperately grab the sides of the lifeboats ... sometimes turning over the boat.". Either everyone survives or no one survives.
Not sure if it makes sense to you, but it made sense to me at the time and still does.
x
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Blink
There are many genuine cases of females in need,But there are many bullshitters also.You still have to be on guard.For example,A internet cafe I frequently visit is located on Burgos in Makati.Speaking Filipino and Cebuano,I overhear what the bargirls discuss and once I heard a girl tell her friend,that so far Her Aunt DIED 16 TIMES this year already.Take care and best regards[/QUOTE]
The Flips are known for outrageous lies like that. When I worked for a construction company we had to require many documents for a death in the family because all of the employees from the Philippines were claiming the same relatives had died more than once. Funny, but true.
Anyone want to send money? I love the way her ym name changed half way through....to "honest xxx". I used xxx to disguise her email address and names.
BTW, can you actually send money to someone with only a first name? How does the sending money process work at xoom? Don't worry, I'm not planning on sending anything. Just curious.
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xxxfilipina_woman: I am Just here hopen that someone have a good heart to help me here,...you know i am the one VICTIM of Landslide
X: I'm sorry to hear that.
xxxfilipina_woman: Its Okey baby...I am so much sad to think it
xxxfilipina_woman: I hope you Gonna have willing to help me here baby
X: Are you in Leyte?
Honest xxx: Yeah I am Dear
X: What town?
Honest xxx: ormoc
X: I've made a donation to a charity here in Xland that is helping landslide victims.
Honest xxx: Good
Honest xxx: Baby I am so much needed ur help...I hope you Can do help me....please
X: ?? What do you want me to do?
Honest xxx: Okey Baby..I am Just need a little bit amount for make a Home to stay good and have to sleep with my family baby...
X: OK
Honest xxx: Baby i hope you Are serious to help me here..that i am need a little bit amount to make a home to stay good bbay
X: But I don't know how.
Honest xxx: Okey Baby You there a way cheaper you Could send the money to me...and its really can big help with me baby....
X: How?
Honest xxx: [url]www.xoom.com/sendmoney[/url]
X: Okay, I'll try.
Honest xxx: Just click that web site and you can go them web site Baby
X: What's your name?
Honest xxx: I am xxx
X: I think I need an address or full name or account number....I can't just send money to "xxx".
I married a pinoy, and, from my experience, I can claim that she, and some of her friends, are very materialistic. If I did not pay the bills, she'd be gone! She goes 'home' (as she calls it) every year for a few weeks while I take care of our kids. Before marriage, she was very sweet. Now she is happy when she has new clothes (almost every week!) and I am 'loved' as provider. She, like many other pinoy, are too close to her siblings, cousins etc and all of them want 'goodies' whenever she visits. I would not marry a pinoy if I had my time over again. My advice - beware!!
[QUOTE=Ray Black]I married a pinoy, and, from my experience, I can claim that she, and some of her friends, are very materialistic. If I did not pay the bills, she'd be gone! She goes 'home' (as she calls it) every year for a few weeks while I take care of our kids. Before marriage, she was very sweet. Now she is happy when she has new clothes (almost every week!) and I am 'loved' as provider. She, like many other pinoy, are too close to her siblings, cousins etc and all of them want 'goodies' whenever she visits. I would not marry a pinoy if I had my time over again. My advice - beware!![/QUOTE]
I suspect you mean "Pinay" (vrs "Pinoy"), unless of course you married (ugghhhh! bakla!
To the issue, well, what did you expect? Is that so much different than in whatever country you're originally from? Certainly boiling it all down isn't that much different than in NorthAmerica, and actually better than there. That stated, have you given her a way for *her* to pay the bills for her, her family, and you? What profitable business did you set up for her to manage and earn income to pay your mutual bills? If not, try it! Pinay do have some pride and (yes of course there are exceptions); most Pinay will be much more appreciative if you give them the means to fish for a lifetime for their immediate family (YOU!) and your mutual extended family, rather than you just throw them a few fish (pesos) daily. It's not unusual for me to tell akin bayau (brothers-in-law) that my wife paid for our drinks tonight. Works for me.
Speaking of "siblings", this is a good opportunity to mention just how highly I regard akin asawa's siblings. They ride shotgun for me, and we provide alibies as best we can for each other. We all have the same problem, the same problem that afflicts any male in anything other than a short-term relationship, which succinctly is that good sex goes from 3 times a day to once a month - if you have a good month! You don't like, it, break it off and start over. Doesn't matter what country. Or, deal with it together with *her* siblings (who have exactly the same needs) and have yourself a good life (which I will post another update on as soon as I have time - look in the Manila forum for past, present, and future on that, since it encompases Malate and the rest of Metro Manila, Las Pinas, and northern Cavite.).
Back to siblings .... we provide mutual alibies as much as we can, and we go out together as much as we can for as long as we can. Of course, we do take a bit of time out seperately (while we're "together") to have some fun with the current catch-of-the-day. Give thanks for your SO's large family, and be especially happy when they come back from their OFW contract and blow a bunch of hard currency on your needs in appreciation of what you did for them the last few years. It's fun to set them up with a nice girl too. It's fun just getting together for food and drinks on nights we can't convince the wives why we need to go out. It's fun when we do go out comparing who got who for "love" vrs what the odd-one-out had to pay for (or we paid for him). All in all, I wouldn't want to be without them!!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=X Man]FF is dead on. And if you have to peal layers, that's already a good reason to just say NO.
I once had a Filipino professor in uni in CA. He said something like , "Filipinos are like the survivors of a sinking ship." "While in the water they'll desperately grab the sides of the lifeboats ... sometimes turning over the boat.". Either everyone survives or no one survives.
Not sure if it makes sense to you, but it made sense to me at the time and still does.
x[/QUOTE]
My Pinay wife periodically mentions the Pinoy "crab mentality", which I think pisses her off even more than it bothers me. Picture a bunch of crabs trying to get to the top of the heap by pulling down anyone higher. It's real. Unless well-incented at the outset, anything resembling teamwork here is an exception.
If you are living in the Philippines with plenty of time and want an easy way to find a live-in gal that won't be after you for marraige. Here is what I did.
I got on [url]www.adultfriendfinder.com[/url] and searched only for women that were seperated. Divorce is not permitted in the Philippines so marriage is out of the question. I had a 24 yearold beauty to move in with me in only a week and I'm an old man, not a young handsome guy.
I've bought her a few things in the last 6 months, perhaps $150..00 worth of stuff, mostly clothes.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]My Pinay wife periodically mentions the Pinoy "crab mentality", which I think pisses her off even more than it bothers me. Picture a bunch of crabs trying to get to the top of the heap by pulling down anyone higher. It's real. Unless well-incented at the outset, anything resembling teamwork here is an exception.[/QUOTE]It has something to do with the Cultural tradition."walang iwanan"Nobody gets left behind or "samasama" all together.If a guy succeeds by advancing,He has"betrayed"them by leaving them behind.Sort of like a Filipino movie I watched,Where the hero goes off to the states and becomes successfull but is lonely being separated from the family and gang,So he gives it all up to return to the PI and its a happy ending.He has less money but he is happy,Go figure.Anyway my 2 centavos opinion
It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas.
She was an OFW in Singapore and HK, a "good girl" from a poor family in Ilocos and not materialistic, would get pissed at me for sending her (or her family) simple gifts. She is a good buffer on the few requests tha we have received in the last 4 years, offering reasonable compromises. Our financial status has hopefully stabilized, but I'm making about 25% of what I made 5 years ago, so we are the "nots" mixed in with a few groups of "haves".
A friend from Hawaii gave me some good advice when we were in Cebu 5 years ago and I follow it to this day. When her behavior changes, I don't stand for it, just tell her to straighten up (in other words, appropriate to the situation).
3 years ago she had a "tampo" episode one night a few weeks before she was (possibly) going home for a visit. She came out of the bedroom with tears in her eyes and said "Hoooney, I'm sorry" ( I was pissed), and I asked her what day she wanted to leave. She excitedly told me and asked when she would return. I said "Return? Who said anything about you returning?" We laughed about it later, but I think she knows my philosophy and it has not changed.
[QUOTE=Harvey Wb]It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas. QUOTE]
Harvey has absolutely the right idea. I've found, in my now 2+ years of living with the same woman that from time to time, you need to make the rules clear. In my case, it's simple. Anything that causes stress in the home or in my life, and that can be removed, gets removed. I had enough hassles with life in America, and I'm too old and too selfish to tolerate more of them now. I'm lucky, in that my lady understands this and she goes well out of her way to make sure that life in our home is as hassle-free as possible.
I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I do not want another "partnership between equals," where we discuss differences of opinion and debate endlessly what may be an amicable resolution. This may be because I invariably lost such debates even after thinking that a reasonable compromise had been reached. Life is simpler now in that I decide the way it's going to be. If this is harsh, so be it. If this is selfish, well, I' at a stage at which I figure I've earned the right to be somewhat ego-centered.
One of the nicest things about the PI, in my opinion is the option that it offers to structure your life, especially your domestic situation, pretty much the way you want it to be. Why recreate the same levels of stress that prompted you to leave your home country?
:D
GE
well I cant argue with you guys,Personally GE knows I have opted to go with Chinese for practical reasons.Filipinas are fun,But for Business and Life Partner........I believe I understand them and can get along with them But they are not that practical and are ruled by emotions rather then their heads.Just my personal opinion on my personal choice
[QUOTE=Harvey Wb]It also depends upon who they hang out with here. I notice changes in my wife, sometimes subtle, sometimes not, when she starts a friendship with a new group of Filipinas.
She was an OFW in Singapore and HK, a "good girl" from a poor family in Ilocos and not materialistic, would get pissed at me for sending her (or her family) simple gifts. She is a good buffer on the few requests tha we have received in the last 4 years, offering reasonable compromises. Our financial status has hopefully stabilized, but I'm making about 25% of what I made 5 years ago, so we are the "nots" mixed in with a few groups of "haves".
A friend from Hawaii gave me some good advice when we were in Cebu 5 years ago and I follow it to this day. When her behavior changes, I don't stand for it, just tell her to straighten up (in other words, appropriate to the situation).
3 years ago she had a "tampo" episode one night a few weeks before she was (possibly) going home for a visit. She came out of the bedroom with tears in her eyes and said "Hoooney, I'm sorry" ( I was pissed), and I asked her what day she wanted to leave. She excitedly told me and asked when she would return. I said "Return? Who said anything about you returning?" We laughed about it later, but I think she knows my philosophy and it has not changed.[/QUOTE]I am glad you have gotten control of your domestic situation,More power to you.Cheers
Pals,
I could write volumes on the Subject of FIlipinas AND Chinese Women. In 2 1/2 years I have met and fucked nine Chinese women all living in PR China or who were born/educated there and moved elsewhere. None were Pros and one was an MD. I never met one I did not fuck within 1-2 hours after meeting. On Filipinas I guess I have around 150 of them but I would have to think awhile. Only 5% were Pros. I did meet some that I struck out with but none in the last couple years.
Chinese women are far less mercenary. This I can state with certainity. They also are more generous in gift giving and paying for things. But, as I told GE earlier on the phone this evening, I think they are less sincere, more deceitful and more likely to "play you for a fool". This is based on my experiences with the nine I met/fucked and the one I had a 1 1/2 year relationship with ten years back. I do not know if they are EVER telling me the truth or if they even care what they tell you. I wonder if the fact they are mostly atheists or agnostics has something to do with this.
Both are great to fuck. I love the white, porcelain skin of the chinese women and the way they scream out when getting a "royal fucking". Filipinas have intense passion also but tend to be quite a bit quieter during the "action". They try to "work you like a NYC construction project" but I believe they are often sincere and honest.
I hope to get into a discussion on this in a few weeks when I have more time. As to my one and only wife. She was Thai and worthless. I did learn to speak Thai almost fluently but I have no fond memories of that time 16 years back.
Dragon Slayer
GE, that is some good stuff. What you have put into practice are things I'm just figuring out...better late than never.
Society, and Mom, told (tells) us to be nice guys. Western sociey/govt tells us and regulates us to be equal. All, good advice and good law, but we aren't equal and a real woman doesn't want a wimpy, girly boy who will do everything she wants. Not a Filipina, and not a Westerner. "Girly boy"....you gotta love Arnold, Governor of California.
Be fair, be generous, be a communicator, be romantic, but most important of all .. be a strong man. I could go on and on here....but the lurking lechers won't get it, and you young Brad Pitts are getting by on your looks alone.
If you need personal advice and direction send $100 to X.ripoff.com and I will tell you all the secrets of romance in the West or in PI or in East Asia.
Sure Xman, but I'm older than you and I only figured all of this stuff out about 2 years ago, so I'm no genius.
I was at a party last night with about 20 people. Two other friends of mine--an Australian of about my age with a gorgeous girlfriend about the age of my lady, a 72 or 73 year old Australian guy and his 42 year old wife--and I were the only guys there with young, Filipinas. The other guys, all in their 50's-60's schlepped along their very large, very white wives. I don't know if I've ever had so many vituperative glances from so many women in so short a time. You could just see how pissed off they were. I just smiled. Some of them were barely polite to me, and they ignored the Filipinas like they were invisible.
In a way, I feel sorry for these women, who cannot possibly compete, and who would get the hell out of there if they could, but they know that if they left their husbands and went home, it would take the husbands less than a day to rustle up some sweet young things. These ladies really are between a rock and a hard place, but I feel sorriest for the husbands, who look miserable, and for the most part, are miserable. I should know. I've talked to enough of them.
Every time I go to one of these affairs I'm reminded again, of the enormity of the difference, for a foreign guy, between SE Asia and home. Vive la difference!
:D
GE
funny, before i finished typing my message, ds sends in another excellent post.
grass is always greener...after some time with east asians, i also love to see the chocolate of the filipinas (or other se asians). but, always love to get back to the whiteys. nothing nicer than a wisp of jet black pubic hair on top of an lovely mound of white goose pimpled flesh.
looking forward to your critique ds.
please allow me...
1) generalization is basically racist, but please allow me
2) some of these "experiences" happened in the usa with immigrants.
thai (many exp.) : love that smile and lack of body hair. the most beautiful women i've had... never did or would do an **** girl, but some thai are naturally hairless.
japanese (many exp): porcelain babes who often love foreigners, despite language barriers. first one was 20+years ago, an older woman from okinawa whose husband was away. never quite had someone like her who would/ could do it like she did. she slowly and quite enoyably worked her way from biting my nipples to loud suckng noises while attached to the crown of my family jewel. i still have dates with jwomen 15 years younger than me, but i think i've reached a threshold. most interesting was an older woman, ex startlet. at the time she was a very fine 49, and i was ten years younger. yes, 49, don't use your imagination. she was smooth as silk and under 50 kilo. she wined and dined me at some very nice places. she paid for the love hotel, and said she like foreigners because j guys would be tempted to blackmail her. i never thought about blackmailing her, but was getting freaked out about riding in a mbenz with darkened windows.
korean: best lay i ever had.....girl sqeezed my muscle with her vagina like it has never been squeezed before or since. (four experiences)
[QUOTE=Dragon Slayer]Pals,
I could write volumes on the Subject of FIlipinas AND Chinese Women. In 2 1/2 years I have met and fucked nine Chinese women all living in PR China or who were born/educated there and moved elsewhere. None were Pros and one was an MD. I never met one I did not fuck within 1-2 hours after meeting. On Filipinas I guess I have around 150 of them but I would have to think awhile. Only 5% were Pros. I did meet some that I struck out with but none in the last couple years.
Chinese women are far less mercenary. This I can state with certainity. They also are more generous in gift giving and paying for things. But, as I told GE earlier on the phone this evening, I think they are less sincere, more deceitful and more likely to "play you for a fool". This is based on my experiences with the nine I met/fucked and the one I had a 1 1/2 year relationship with ten years back. I do not know if they are EVER telling me the truth or if they even care what they tell you. I wonder if the fact they are mostly atheists or agnostics has something to do with this.
Both are great to fuck. I love the white, porcelain skin of the chinese women and the way they scream out when getting a "royal fucking". Filipinas have intense passion also but tend to be quite a bit quieter during the "action". They try to "work you like a NYC construction project" but I believe they are often sincere and honest.
I hope to get into a discussion on this in a few weeks when I have more time. As to my one and only wife. She was Thai and worthless. I did learn to speak Thai almost fluently but I have no fond memories of that time 16 years back.
Dragon Slayer[/QUOTE]I draw the line between women for Fun and Women for LTR.I am driven to grow my businesses and would prefer to have a partner who has something to contribute.IMHO the Chinese have a better head for business,though I will agree that they will play you to get rich,stuff etc.But If you are driven and the Chinese girl is equally driven,then there is compatability.We both like the party line"To get rich is glorious".Filipino women are generally sincere and SOMETIMES honest.But they dont have a head for money making.My particular Chinese lady has immensely made my business in China grow with access to Party Officials,Rich Chinese Tycoons etc.I have Financially benefited from her in Spades,But so has she of course also,We are having a date in Penang Malaysia next weekend and I have to show my thanks by treating her to another special trip,Btw Yes they are Athiest or Agnostic mostly,But will convert for practical purposes if needed.As GE was saying to me before, CL You re relatively young,rich,Canadian and can basically get most any Filipina.Why Chinese???I told him I wanted to get
even richer.To get ahead even more,I needed somebody to help me towards that goal who was equally driven.
But that is my personal take and I repeat Filipinas are some of the sweetest women around,I respect that different people have different priorities in life.Best regards
I'm not sure what schelpping means, but I'm in stiches.
Sort of dragging along their BIG wives somewhat embarrassedly.To put things in perspective,I am in my late 30 s and my chinese lady is in her mid 20 s.So we would not stand out as a couple.GE I love the way you described that party.Sleek Filipina Gazelles along with Western Walruses.Cheers.
That reminds me...there was a VIet/Chinese girl,
(many of the Vietnamese who fled Vietnam in the post-war era were ethnic Chinese)
I met her in California, but she was good, very good. Very good in that this was musky smelling ****, jet-blac haired, porcelain skinned Chinese beaty.She wore glasses that made her look like a teacher, but she had a body to die for.
This was years ago of course, but she bought a car that had a bad tranny. She took it back to the dealer, which had a chinese dealer. I was kind of shocked about the way her and her brother went to town on the dealer. Well, good business / money skills aren't the things that make you feel romantic....unless of course you are CL. :-)
Schlepping is a Yiddish term, that more or less means "dragging an unwieldy, object." Sorry for lapsing into New York vernacular.
As CL and I have discussed on a couple of separate occassions, he is being extremely pragmatic. He's young. He's rich. He wants to get richer. He has business in China and he needs someone Chinese to help him grow that business. Sounds like an enormously sensible decision that he's made, and remember, her still gets to travel around, whether he's married or not.
I'm not young, have no desire to grow any business, am content where I am and have enough to get by. We're in different phases of our lives and we want/need different things.
Xman, you are of course, entitled to your predelections, but I wonder just how many white women you've had who squeezed every drop out of you with her vaginal muscles.
:D
GE
[QUOTE=X Man]That reminds me...there was a VIet/Chinese girl,
(many of the Vietnamese who fled Vietnam in the post-war era were ethnic Chinese)
I met her in California, but she was good, very good. Very good in that this was musky smelling ****, jet-blac haired, porcelain skinned Chinese beaty.She wore glasses that made her look like a teacher, but she had a body to die for.
This was years ago of course, but she bought a car that had a bad tranny. She took it back to the dealer, which had a chinese dealer. I was kind of shocked about the way her and her brother went to town on the dealer. Well, good business / money skills aren't the things that make you feel romantic....unless of course you are CL. :-)[/QUOTE]Not really Its just that Chinese do not have that many hang ups with you having other women as Filipinas.More money equals more funds for Fun activities.She doesnt mind my other activities as long as she is THE ONE.Filipinas tend to be more possesive and jealous in that regards.Yes I love that porcelain skin also
I once went to a party in (east Asia), and my date was a college girl. (13 yrs younger). She was wearing a miniskirt, as usual, and was pushing 45 kilos to my 90.
It was the grand opening of my friend's cigar bar, so he and his partner had invited some local bigwigs. There were a lot of middle aged men/ women, including women in formal gowns. My date noticed this right away and didn't want to go in. I talked to my buddy and he said to come back in 90 min. We do, and the crowd is much thinner. Me and miss coed go out on the balcony where there is less tobacco smoke. I quickly strike up a conversation with a fellow who happens to be the owner of one of the biggest E-language publishing companies in (east Asia). One of his first questions, said with a smirk, happens to be, "Is this your daughter?".
DUH, I hestitated...and I looked the fool. Now if this was your situation, what would your answer be...
A) My mistress (this is what she called herself at the time...duh)
B) My sister
C) ???
Miffy, if you're reading this...I still love you and want you and still have that small chip in the front of my teeth which you loved so much when I rubbed the rough edges on your cllt...
X
GE, I haven't had caucasian sex in 20 years, if that's what you mean. Now that I think about it, maybe I should try. I'll be in good ol usa this summer. Hmmmm. how many Viagra tablets would it take for me to get a hard on for a typical American hefer? (just joking, I've never tried Viagra) (done some hefers though... :-)
CL, I've often thought about things as you have. My lfe would be easier if I married a local girl. If I married a Filipina and brought her here, she would be dependent on me for a lot of things. On the other hand, a life of debauchery and alcholism seems to suit me fine....without any wife. That probably has an unhappy ending though.
I've chatted with some Chinese girls on the Interent. Strikingly beautiful, but hard to make any kind of connection in the English language.
X
X Man,
I have heard some cocksucker tell me (they are NOT asking), "so, is this your daughter?" One was a very fat fuck in a civic club I briefly joined ( I fit in with these R & F Losrs like Donald Trump at a Biker Bar). My Answer to these apprentice idiots is always, "you have a problem with a successful guy having a beautiful, intelligent, younger woman for a girlfriend?" or "If I am capable of attracting women less then half my age, what is it to you?"
I do NOT let them get away with their very rude comments. I often throw in that I am a _______ (my Profession). I am NOT an archaeologist or palentologist. I do not "dust off relics" or dig up and polish fossils".
That said, I fucked over 100 women in Thailand from age 18 to 30. My fondest memories are of a Thai woman who owned a Bar on Pattaya Klang (Pattaya Center) in Pattaya City. She was 39 (older than me) when I began fucking her and 43 when I stopped. A lovely woman with an incredible body. Huge, 36d tits and she could fuck. I would shove it up her ass and she took it "like a real trooper".
GE, remember that night at Henny's (No, not that night w Freddy) when the crowd of Foreign Workers arrived? Man, I never saw so many "Chan Am" (big elephants in Thai). The one Gerry (geriatric or old lady) who came to our table did NOT even acknowledge the existence of my 22 y/o woman or Rose, her sister. Got histerical when she was told of my home on Leyte. I was supposed to fly off immediately to check on the mud slide (house is on the ocean; no mud to slide).
Dragon Slayer
By the way DS, R you a TOOL MAKER by any way?
Me too, am 1 and proud to be it. Not a archeologist or a philosophist.
Cheers mate,
Tin Tin
Pals,
This is my favorite topic. To be fair, there are many decent. good white women. We all remember the rude, arrogant, obnoxious ones. That night at Henny's when Foreign Aid, or more appropriately, a herd of Ta nam kwai (river buffalos) strolled in (excuse me, stampeded the place is much more accurate), I could not leave fast enough. GE tried to detain me but they were just too much. My Lady and her sister felt very uncomfortable being several inches shorter and hundreds of pounds lighter than this herd. Being totally ignored and left out of the conversation by the chan am (big elephant, remember?) who chose to occupy our space ( we must have left a large amount of uneaten food on the table) did not help this.
I have to mention also relating to the one's comment concerning the mud slide that there are no airports on the island, save the Tacloban Airport at the far end. It is an entire day trip to get there by plane/boat from Davao. I was in touch by cellphone and e-mail daily anyway.
What makes me amazed is how these Gerrys (old women) always want to give me advice. Unsolicited, of course, from everything to the kind of woman I really need (fat pig like them, for sure), the way I should run my company (this advice has come from more than a few unemployed Gerrys) and even to Fine Wines. Like they know a fucking thing about wine. These hefers will guzzle down anything you put in front of their huge chompers, just so long as it is free. Yet, they consistently approach me at Wine Tastings to give me their "sage advice' while I am disgusting the wine's bouquet, vintage or other pertinents facts with friends.
I will take a lovely, gorgeous asain lady any day. I need to scan "Road to Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling here. He said it first and best. "I have a neater, sweeter maiden in a land faraway, Mandalay>
Dragon Slayer
There are some fine white women. But each of them is surrounded by about 5 guys hoping for some scraps of attention.
A few years ago I found myself in graduate school at a northeastern liberal arts college, a purgatory I was lucky to live through. Even though the ratio was 4 women to every man it still wasn't enough to make up for the fact that most of the women were buffazillas (Godzilla face, buffalo body). The few lookers each had an entourage of horny hangers on.
At this college there were women who had been in Japan at the same time I was there. Practically every day at this college I had to listen to these women go on about gaijin with Japanese women, saying how it was a sign of chauvinist oppression and these guys were losers that couldn't handle 'real women.' It was all I could do to get through every day without puking.
After I put in my time at this place I went straight to Asia for a month. It was like going through a decontamination booth after being in a nuclear waste disposal plant.
Really I can handle the women talking and complaining. It's kinda fun to watch them marinade in their own hopelessness. But when feminazis get together and pass laws like this International Marriage Broker Law, designed to stop guys from going to other countries to meet women, that's just going too far. They hide behind concern about women being abused when they come here. But the law is really designed to just punish guys who have the nerve to want something better. That 'hell has no fury like a woman scorned' is one of the truest sayings there ever was.
The Feminists cannot stand the fact that many western men given the choice will change them for an Asian or Latina partner.Look at Richard Murdoch,Given all his wealth,He could get his choice of women.But His Current wife is a Chinese Executive.They harp on the fact that these Asian Women are supposedly all supposedly uneducated peasant women who are happy with a bowl of rice.I have a Canadian friend,Who is married to a Filipina who is a Biochemist with a Phd in BioChemistry from one of the top Universities in Canada.Whenever they go to cocktail parties and such,Their initial attitude is very condescending at first"wow,you speak good english","Did you finish University"etc.Their jaws drop when she tells them she is a Biochemist working for six figures at a Pharma.They simply cannot believe a slim sexy Filipina would marry a guy 13 years her senior and still treat him with respect,affection etc
My choice of a Canadian Educated Chinese who is smart,succesful,educated,sexy and always fashionably dressed is another one who breaks their mold of all chinese want to marry foriegners to leave China.The femenists really hate her type.They cannot understand why a girl like her did not convert into a femenist b**ch during her stay in Canada,The answer is really simple according to her,If she was a Femenist b****,Do you think she would have attracted the young,rich suitors she had???If you want to attract people who could have their choice of women,You better be competitive.I was in the First Class lounge of Cathay Pacific a few years ago and had the oppurtunity of being seated beside Bill and Melissa Gates.Bill was busy,But I had a chance to chat briefly with Melissa Gates.She was really nice,sweet as she discussed her program of eradicating disease and fighting infant mortality.She was clearly very affectionate will Bill.So if a Western woman has the right attitude and is not a bi**h,Look at what she can get.Would Bill have fallen for a bi*ch???
Sorry Xman. I must have misunderstood you. Funny you should mention 20 years since the last time you had sex with a caucasion. I was on the phone with DS yesterday and we were both trying to remember the last time either of us had sex with one, and neither of us could remember, so it must have been a long, long, time ago.
This topic seems to have struck a responsive chord in a lot of guys out there. As to the appropriate response to the woman who asked if the young lady was your daughter, I think you should have said: "No, this is one of my girlfriends. I don't have children, but I'm thinking about it in the next 4 or 5 years."
:D
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Sorry Xman. I must have misunderstood you. Funny you should mention 20 years since the last time you had sex with a caucasion. I was on the phone with DS yesterday and we were both trying to remember the last time either of us had sex with one, and neither of us could remember, so it must have been a long, long, time ago.
This topic seems to have struck a responsive chord in a lot of guys out there. As to the appropriate response to the woman who asked if the young lady was your daughter, I think you should have said: "No, this is one of my girlfriends. I don't have children, but I'm thinking about it in the next 4 or 5 years."
:D
GE[/QUOTE]About 2 weeks ago,If Eurasian counts.GE you know who......
No CL, eurasian does not count, but even if it did, I know exactly the woman you're talking about and there's not a guy out there (including me) who doesn't or wouldn't envy you. If you change your mind or get tired of her, I would be happy to "fill in " so to speak.
:D
GE
[QUOTE=Cebu Local].I was in the First Class lounge of Cathay Pacific a few years ago and had the oppurtunity of being seated beside Bill and Melissa Gates.??[/QUOTE]
I'm shocked he does not utilize a private jet from his personal or business fleet. I'm also shocked his personal protection detail let you get within speaking distance to him. i'm not calling bullshit or anything....i am just surprised.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]No CL, eurasian does not count, but even if it did, I know exactly the woman you're talking about and there's not a guy out there (including me) who doesn't or wouldn't envy you. If you change your mind or get tired of her, I would be happy to "fill in " so to speak.
:D
GE[/QUOTE]Ok GE,I havent had North American Caucasian for over 5 years then.About her,Try googling her name and you will get her Official Website and about 53,600 hits.There are some awesome pictures of her on it,So you know Why I work hard.Watch out for her ads which they are shooting now.They will be on CNN,BBC etc very soon.Best regards
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I'm shocked he does not utilize a private jet from his personal or business fleet. I'm also shocked his personal protection detail let you get within speaking distance to him. i'm not calling bullshit or anything....i am just surprised.[/QUOTE]Not all tycoons use Private jets when travelling Transpacific,The smaller jets require stopovers which can be avoided by the longer range Commercial Jets,To cite an example Lucio Tan,The Richest Guy in the PI according to Forbes has several private planes,But flies Commercial Transpacific.Regarding Security detail,The First Class Lounge area of Cathay Pacific In Hong Kong is actually quite secure,It is a separate area from the Business Class Lounge.Business Class Passengers cannot access it,Only First Class Passengers can enter.Elite people are actually not that hard to approach If you are obviously also respectable and talk politely For example.I was at a Cocktail with the Philippine President just last friday and had a quick chat with her.I have had a brief chat with Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra last year at the APEC Business summit cocktails etc etc.GE,Spamhog and a bunch of the guys who saw me at the ATF Summit last January in Davao can confirm sometimes I run with a Hi So crowd
I had caucasian a few months ago...from Georgia in the Caucasus
[QUOTE=Mahku]I had caucasian a few months ago...from Georgia in the Caucasus[/QUOTE]Russian from Vladivostok a few months ago in Macau,But doesnt that count as partly asian also since Georgia and Siberia are located in Asia,What do you guys think??
I was in Dumaguete savoring a tequila on the rocks and enjoying the view of the ocean and distant Siquijor, when some old, leathery white chick pulled up, complete with a yapping runt of a dog. She was little more than a pallid, walking wrinkle. Damn, the whole experience went straight down the crapper.
Later at the local mall I saw one of those older, fat, short-haired chicks, the type that looks lesbian. When I told my friend, I said maybe she's lesbo or not, but who can tell the difference? Does it even frickin' matter? This is the typical white drab who's "my age" and supposedly my match. Lord help me.
It's weird how just the the sight of an American/Euro wench can ruin the entire mood, followed by a murmured, "Thank you, Jesus, that shit is far behind me."
Pals,
Notice how it is primarily fat, obnoxious. ugly, unmarried (or unhappily married) white women who do the complaining about US with asian women. My favorite hagnout in my City is a Japanese Restaurant with four (4) lovely female bartenders (no men).
One of the white girls used to get on my case often about my love of asian women. I just continued being polite to her and "let it go". Two of the others are Asian, including the beautiful Japanese Bar Manager. She likes me a lot and just recently did me a big favor her when I left my valuable case ( got drunk with a White, Lady Client who just referred me a lot of good business) containing a blank check on the operating account of my Firm ( she held it unopened for me safely).
I think that being polite to white women and just working around the "comments" is a good way to go. Besides, as mentioned, the fat, ugly pigs normally making these comments are NOT worth it. As to jealous guys, we can make all kinds of interesting retorts to them. "Your sex life must be a wateland as barren as the Alaskan tundra, for you to make such a rude, offensive comment to me."
When I had my beautiful "Shanghai Baby" who worked in an English Language School in southern china she often commented on the instructors, all of whom were from the UK, Canada, USA & So Africa. All were white and mostly women as the salary and benefits may have sounded good by So China standards but really sucked by American Pay Scale. She said that ALL the women were the size of three chinese girls. She would ask me if me in America liked these Elephants. I replied, "No, but many men in the USA think this is all they can get."
Dragon Slayer
Pals,
Regarding Bill Gates, it is amazing how many rich guys and celebrities just travel around like we do. At LAX I was having a drink while waiting for my Flight. Rocker Tommy Lee sat down across from me and ordered a beer. He said hello and got on his cellphone. A few weeks later David Spade was eating lunch, quietly at a nearby table in my favorite Japanese Restaurant as I was having lunch. The following day I was in meeting some friends for a little Happy Hour R&R and again, in walked Tommy Lee. He sat at the bar alone, drank a few beers and no one approached him.
These individuals are high profile but just don't care. Life always having body guards with you has to suck. One of my Clients, a rock Musician, met me for lunch. When he left someone at a nearby table said, "wasn't that ___?" I said "yes, it is. He keeps a low profile when not performing before a live audience."
I will never have to worry about being famous. As long as I have my little girls and a gorgeous asian woman, I am happy. A nice, new sports car wouldn't hurt either.
Dragon Slayer
I have one of my favorites I want to come visit me and take her to the theme parks in Orlando. I need to write a letter for a tourist visa. Any ideas on how to word one? PM me so we don't have to take up some bandwith.
The degree of difficulty to get her a tourist visa on a scale of 1 to 10 is a solid 10. Too many Filipina just disappear into the wordwork when they get to The States. Good luck my man but be prepared for a lot of grief.
ES
[QUOTE=Teddy Bear 99]I have one of my favorites I want to come visit me and take her to the theme parks in Orlando. I need to write a letter for a tourist visa. Any ideas on how to word one? PM me so we don't have to take up some bandwith.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]The degree of difficulty to get her a tourist visa on a scale of 1 to 10 is a solid 10. Too many Filipina just disappear into the wordwork when they get to The States. Good luck my man but be prepared for a lot of grief.
ES[/QUOTE]I am in the Travel business with 15 years experience.Correction try 11 on a scale of 1 to 10.If you have more questions PM me
CL, your post reminds me...
You once gave info about how to arrange a ticket so that the lady couldn't cash in the ticket. I would really appreciate it if you can share that info again.
I have a friend who is apparently going to take a bar girl to Bali. I warned him, but to no avail.
X
[QUOTE=X Man]CL, your post reminds me...
You once gave info about how to arrange a ticket so that the lady couldn't cash in the ticket. I would really appreciate it if you can share that info again.
I have a friend who is apparently going to take a bar girl to Bali. I warned him, but to no avail.
X[/QUOTE]arrange for her to fly to Bali using the Air Asia E ticketwhich is none refundable or Ask the travel agent for lower category ticket K or Kilo class or lower which is none refundable,none endorsable to other people and cannot be changed to another date without penalty.Any other questions drop me a line
Thank you CL and congratulations on hitting 1000 posts.
Take care,
X
[QUOTE=X Man]Thank you CL and congratulations on hitting 1000 posts.
Take care,
X[/QUOTE]No problem My friend .Remind your friend that You want to make sure the ticket is none refundable,None Endorsable,None Reroutable etc,Best Regards too
Thanks CL,
I think we're too late....
My friend was told by the travel agent that he couldn't make credit card payment over the phone and the agent recommended sending the money direct to the person flying via Western Union.
So, right about now a bar girl is getting $900 cash. Does Anyone want to put odds on the chances of her showing up in Bali?
Oh, one more thing CL. Does you advice below also apply for Philippine domestic travel.
X
[QUOTE=X Man]Thanks CL,
I think we're too late....
My friend was told by the travel agent that he couldn't make credit card payment over the phone and the agent recommended sending the money direct to the person flying via Western Union.
So, right about now a bar girl is getting $900 cash. Does Anyone want to put odds on the chances of her showing up in Bali?
Oh, one more thing CL. Does you advice below also apply for Philippine domestic travel.
X[/QUOTE]
About the same chance of her getting a US visa,If she shows up I will buy you dinner next time you are in Cebu or Manila.Yes,They sell E tickets and None refundable and None endorsable Domestic tickets in the PI also.Btw While I was at an Internet Cafe in Burgos that I partially own,I overhead 4-5 Bar girls laughing about some idiot who sent her money to go abroad and how She was going to spend the weekend shopping in SM Thanks to the Idiot.Next time Refer your friends to me so I can advice them properly Cheers
I have a story to add about of a customer of mine married to a Filipina:
A customer of mine in Germany was very disheartened when I visited him quite some time ago. I asked what happened and he came up with this story:
He was married to a Filipina for many years. His wife some day went home to visit the family for several months. When she came back she had a baby. She told him that she got pregnant before she left. He might not have believed this deep inside from the beginning, but settled with it. When the child was about 4 years old, and he had already built a good relation with his daughter being a good father, the truth came up.
Not only that it was not his daughter, it was not hers either. It was her sister's. So he kicked her out on the spot and kept the child he loved.
Tiger 1,
How are you? I remember you inquiring about Davao 2 years back.
I can tell a similar tale that involves yours truly. A 23 y/o school teacher from Iligan City working at MEPZ back in 1994, to make a living away from her Family (at least that is what she told me). In May 1995 shortly after I returned home to the States I got a call from her. Said, "I am one month pregnant with your baby". I did all you would expect and even opened up bank accounts in pesos and dollars to prepare for the coming birth. Back then I was much younger, dumber and poorer. The last is the saddest part as I spent money I really could not afford at the time.
I first became suspicious (this girl was an absolute "dream" as she was beautiful, well educated and from a good Family which I travelled to Iligan to meet) when I was leaving to work for four weeks. I held up the Bank Books and said, "I am afraid to leave these with you". Remember, I would be back in four weeks to be there for the child's birth. She replied, "what if the baby is born early?" I handed over the Accounts and told her NOT to spend any money as this was for the birt of the Baby.
Returned four (4) weeks later to learn the money was completely, I mean fucking completely GONE. Of course I was furious and told her this. I could not account for how the money got spent and this got me thinking.
Baby was born and I never stopped thinking of this. She changed towards me soon after and when the Baby was seven months informed me she was going to Davao (Yes, Davao before my first arrival) to seek employment and she and the Baby were out of my Life. Letters to her Family went unanswered and Letters to the Apartment I was paying were returned as "no forwarding address".
I did see them both again briefly on two occasions over the next three years. Then my actual daughter was born and this really got me thinking. My daughter's mother is very dark skinned and I, of course, am very white. My daughter is pure white with light brown, thick, wavy hair like mine. My first "child" was very dark skinned with straight, jet black hair. Funny thing, the lovely mother had pure white skin and black hair. Now where did the black skin on the Baby come from?
My daughter's pediatrician and a few Specialists at the Hospital reviewed the photos of me, the first mother and the Baby. Said it was genetically very unlikely that the Baby, now 4, was mine. Pointed to my real daughter's skin and hair color and other points in the genetic structure. Yes, they were correct.
Got a Letter a few years back from the Sister of the real father saying that I had been conned. That the mother had married her brother, the real father, and was just working me for money. I had NOT heard from her for awhile and decided to just hang onto the Letter and do nothing. Two years later I get an e-mail asking for money for my "child's" education.
I reacted as you would expect the Slayer in a Situation like this. It was easy as the lying tramp was using the Account of a woman in the Corporate Office of the Company at MEPZ. I told her what I had learned. What surprised me is that she admitted knowing from the second day after the baby was born. Had tests done with the real father as the baby did not look at all like me. Of course, I had no way of knowing the real father ever existed.
I had met the real father when he was staying back in 1996 at the apartment I was paying for the mother and child. He was introduced as a cousin from the Province. Even asked me to see if some of my friend's in the Phils could find him work. That took more balls than King Kong to ask.
Anyway, it is long in the past and I can look back on it and laugh. She is still working long hours at MEPZ (yes, I checked) and they are living in the same filthy dump where I first met her in 1994. THe father is unemployed and they cannot even afford tuition for the child in a cheap private school.
Today, get hit on by women in the Phils over the internet for money frequently. My answer always is NO NO NO. The nice thing about my 22 y/o in Davao is that, like the 25 y/o in So China, my "Shanghai Baby" or my "Beijing Doll" now in the UK, she never asked me for any money. There are still some decent women out there. My daughters mother was in the same group until our Baby was born. But these are mine.
Dragon Slayer
Well, we all got to learn. I was lucky so far. No kids with the wrong girls. Got married to a girl from Guangzhou 1990. Divorced just on time. She was even cheating her father for money as I learned later. Luckily at that time she already got a good job in Germany so I didn't have to pay a lot. But she tried hard for it.
By the way, I don't remember having enquired about Davao, since 2 years back was my first trip to the Filipines but with family in Boracay for scubadiving.
I normally stay in HK, China, Thailand.
Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.
Mahku, you must be great husband material since women seem especially motivated to marry you. Either that or you pick the wrong women. :-)
I've received the "late period / might be pregnant" email twice. On both occasions I ignored the email and the subject never came up again.
In all fairness, it might not be an attempted scam as it was in DSs case, but a test of committment.
Nevertheless, as one of my Filipina friends once said to me, "Filipinos love to make babies."
[QUOTE=Mahku]Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.[/QUOTE]
During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD[/QUOTE]
Yes,There are many ways to avoid paying child support,For starters He can use all sort of legal dodges and avoid paying a dime.Poor girls do not have resources to come after youThat would be completely legal..But again I raise the issue of the right thing,IF the Kid is really your friend s,It doesnt cost much to raise a kid in the Philippines.100$ a month is plenty to put that kid in private school,house and clothe the kid etc.May I suggest that your friend have the girl sign a waiver absolving him of any responsibility for the child,But In return,Your friend undertakes to give a small stipend lets say 100$ for the Childs education etc.Come on,We all make mistakes and one should be willing to take responsibility for one's mistakes.But If your friend wants to dodge the responsibility PM me and I can give you advice to avoid paying the 100$ monthly
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD[/QUOTE]
Dude your friend is messed up!
How could he have a child and leave it in that messed up country?
You need to read him the riot act.
Please don't give this guy advice on how to avoid his responsiblities. You and I both know that this country is full of Filipinos who shirk any and all responsiblity for supporting the children they father, and there's nothing the women, typically poor and uneducated can do about it. Don't contribute to the perpetuation of this morally bankrupt behavior.
Why doesn't he insist on a DNA test to prove the kids is his and, if the whole thing is not a scam, then agree to paying, as suggested by CL, a modest amount per month. AS CL states, the cost is trivial.
:D
GE
Hey Muf Diver, if your buddy can live with himself what makes him think a poor gal in the P.I. is going to track him down in the U.S. to make him pay child support. It's hard enough to enforce from state to state.
Just tell him to send her a "C" note a month. He will sleep better at night.
For all who posted replies<
My buddy is a jerk. I know that. I mentioned to you that he wants to voluntarily pay some money each month. As CL said, $100 is sufficient (5000 pesos). Although he had the one night stand, he had no feelings for the girl. Also the girl (who had appararently claimed to be a virgin) fucked him after meeting him for a few hours! He is good looking - may be she was infactuated with him.
But, what he doesn't want is a Pinoy court Order to withhold child support from his paycheck in California. My question was, specifically, can she get one and can she enforce that in USA? Like many raised concerns, I doubt it!
I agree with the moral majority to pay $ if you contributed/deposited the sperm! But, no one wants a third world girl acting like a gringa ***** and get hold of your balls for child support.
I took GooedEngough's post with a bit sarcasam. He could post on a sex realated site, yet cannot fathom the desires of a person to FIND OUT INFORMATION.
Thanks again for your replies. I have asked my buddy to meet with a Pinoy lawyer in San Francisco for a consult. He wants to get a waiver written in Tagalog (following CL's advice) before making any contributions. Also, he wants a DNA test done in US, after the birth of the baby.
MD
If your friend helps her monthly financially,im sure the girl will be satisfied with that. Because she can look around at her girlfriends with kids and they aren't getting a single peso from those deadbeats! I think $100 a month is not to much to ask of him.
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]I took GooedEngough's post with a bit sarcasam. He could post on a sex realated site, yet cannot fathom the desires of a person to FIND OUT INFORMATION.
MD[/QUOTE]
I think you may have misunderstood me. I understand fully the need for information abd the appropriateness of this site and others like it for unearthing such information. My point was simply the necessity of providing some degree of financial support for the child in the event that (1) she;s really pregnant and (2) the child is really his and not to simply abandon the financial future of the kid.
I am about 99% sure that for the US Embassy to recognize a child born here as an American, the man has to acknowledge paternity, and this is purely his choice. That being the case, it would be almost impossible for a Filipina to get a garnishment order from a US court.Hell, Filipinas who get knocked up by Pinoys have no legal recourse here whatsoever. Of course, to be sure of this, it's a very good idea never to give her an address, phone number social security number of bank account number.
:D
GE
Pals,
I think I can answer this one as I DO know this Law. No fucking way in heaven or hell she will EVER get a court order in USA to compel you to give Child Support.
As a Father with children in the Phils, I did sign and acknowledge my paternity. I did this so my children could get US Passports and eventually come here. I have NEVER, for a single minute, regretted having a child in the Philippines. My only children, also.
With the girl in Cebu who conned me, I was not asked to sign papers acknowledging paternity. At the time I did not know of this legal procedure. It came up in 1999 with the birth of my seven year old (this one IS mine). I have often wondered if she had the real father (he lived right there) go by the Hospital to sign them. She did marry him. The middle name for the child was his name, I learned a few years after.
I would bet good money the child is NOT your friend's. Who do you think they always hit with the "I am pregnant with your baby" routine, the filipino who could give a flying fuck? Or the "dumbshit" foreigner with a conscience?
It is not expensive to have a DNA Test to prove paternity in the Philippines. To ease your pal's conscience he should return and have this done at a Hospital. He does not need to spend money (lawyers are NOT cheap) on a US Lawyer unless he feels threatened. The US Embassy will NOT even get involved in a matter like this.
I met several girls over the last 15 years in the Phils who I later learned had to get married as their boyfriend back home got them pregnant. In each case the girl told me she had no boyfriend. A few times I even thought the girl was a virgin.
Now, if the chld IS your friend's, P5000/Mo is only the "tip of the iceberg". I was with L______ for years before she became pregnant with my daughter, now 7. When they reach 4 the money escalates dramatically. Dresses, school and other items kick in. Wish for a boy as they are much cheaper to raise. I have two girls.
Dragon Slayer
[QUOTE=Mahku]Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada. Even though I was wearing a condom it must have leaked, bla bla. The girl had her clothes off and was in bed within 5 minutes of coming to the room, some virgin. I wonder how many other guys she's trying this with and who fell for it.
Never send money or accept any responsibility until there's clear, unbiased proof that it's yours.[/QUOTE]
Had a girl who I knew in Hong Kong, She was from the Philippines and took me for some money with lies and other BS. When I first met her I thought she was just a nice girl. There in HK with her aunt, didn't work the gogo bars or anything. Well in the end she was hanging with a Swiss guy who was a drug addict and she was receiving my money for his dealings. I'm sure he put her up to it, but that doesn't change anything. In the end she did some jail time in HK as well as her Swiss bf who was married to a Japanese girl who had 2 of his kids. Of course she goes back to the Philippines to have a fatherless child by this Swiss guy who wants nothing to do with her.
That was four years ago. I recently came to be in touch with her again. Just phone conversations. It took her about 2 weeks before she called me to tell me she has broke her arm. She was riding the caribou and fell off and broke her arm. She will just wait for it to heal as she cannot go to the hospital. Well, if it is a lie then it is a very funny lie, which it probably is, if not a lie and she truly is hurt, then she gets no money because she lied so much in the past. Before she could even ask for money I told her this. She responded that it wasn't a lie but that it was God's will for her to have this or some BS like that, which makes me believe all the more that she is up to her old tricks. They never change.
FF
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]During our last visit in November, my friend made a Davao girl pregnant. Against my advice, and the wisdom, he never used condom with her. He met her in a bar where she was with 4 other friends - none of them pros.
He is 25, and suspects that it is his kid. The girl told him that she was a virgin (!) and he said that is why he used no condoms (stupid idiot!).
My question is: Could the girl get a child support Order in Philippines and come after him in California? He makes good money. He has no intent to see her again even if the kid is his! But, he would like to help her "Voluntarily."
I wonder anyone here would have an insight on this.
I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD[/QUOTE]
Used this service myself once while in the Philippines. They shipped the kit to Manila FEDEX to be held at a local FEDEX store for pick up. Once it arrived I picked the kit up, did the test myself of the Mother, Child and myself, only a cheek swab. Sent the package back via FEDEX and with about two weeks received an email, as I had provided an email address to receive the results the quickest, that I was without a doubt not the father. A zero percent chance.
[url]http://www.1800dnatest.com/[/url]
FF
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]I also know that Mexican girls cannot get child support from American fathers, as the law requires both mother and father to sign the birth certificate. If you do not acknowledge that you are the father, the girl won't get child support. Is that the same in Philippines?
MD[/QUOTE]
I did not know that. So clarify for me, if I sign a birth certificate for a child (mine) that was born in Mexico, she can then hit me up for child support through the U.S. system?
I do know that if (and many do) a Mexican woman crosses into the U.S. and gives birth on American soil, she can then get support through the U.S. courts.
I know this is a PI thread but the subject caught my attention. But for what its worth I plan on going to the PI some day, the sooner the better.
Mugroso
Frequent Flyer,
How are you? Did you ever hear of Neal Hutchison's book "Money Number One"? I purchased a copy at the american hangout, the Alamo Bar in Pattaya City, Thailand in May 2003. Based on Neal's personal expriences and past relationships with Pattaya City Bargirls. Much of it could easily be related to experiences in the Philippines.
He covers the "Falling in Love" with one of these women in considerable length. There is a Chapter where he tells you to get the "lady" to return home to be with her Family and away from the influences of the other ladies in the Bars/Clubs. He says that if you do, expect a letter very similar to this within a couple of months. The Example Letter begins with, "Hello Darling". It quickly goes on to relate an accident concerning a River Buffalo (Ta Nam Kwai) and the resulting "injury" to her leg.
Okay now, back to planet earth. I have my little girls and my woman on an island. The Family is pretty well off and all live in homes either on the beach or across the street from the beach. Our home was completed in time for my 7 year old's birthday in early January. It is on the beach.
Many of the people are fishermen and others own rice farms. Many raise caribou, the species similar to the Thai water buffalo. I have NEVER seen anyone riding one of these caribou, nor have I EVER seen anyone in Thailand riding one (in 1990-1993 I had a girlfriend living in a village in northern Thailand; some of the people in the village raised water buffalo).
If she fell off one she is absolutely a dumb fuck. Far more likely she thinks you could be had once more.
Dragon Slayer
[QUOTE=Dragon Slayer]Frequent Flyer,
Many of the people are fishermen and others own rice farms. Many raise caribou, the species similar to the Thai water buffalo. I have NEVER seen anyone riding one of these caribou, nor have I EVER seen anyone in Thailand riding one (in 1990-1993 I had a girlfriend living in a village in northern Thailand; some of the people in the village raised water buffalo).
If she fell off one she is absolutely a dumb fuck. Far more likely she thinks you could be had once more.
Dragon Slayer[/QUOTE]Apparently you've never been out the "province". I've seen many many people riding carabo. I don't really see the point as an average person can walk faster than most carabo.
Mug,
Yes, if you sign on the birth-certificate, you are acknowledging that you are the father. Once you have done that the Mexicana has certain rights.
However, if you are in USA, sh still has to go the Mexican family court system first. Then she has to have that order cerified by the U.S. Consulate in Mexico, and then come to USA to fight.
I know this fact because a guy I knew got hit with it. Because the girl he knocked up subsequently met another gringo, and he helped her file the claim for child support. I must say that the girl was very smart, the guy was too naive!
It is a long shot. But, if you did not acknowledge that the child is yours, she has no right to come to USA and collect the child support.
MD
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]For all who posted replies<
My buddy is a jerk. I know that. I mentioned to you that he wants to voluntarily pay some money each month. As CL said, $100 is sufficient (5000 pesos). Although he had the one night stand, he had no feelings for the girl. Also the girl (who had appararently claimed to be a virgin) fucked him after meeting him for a few hours! He is good looking - may be she was infactuated with him.
But, what he doesn't want is a Pinoy court Order to withhold child support from his paycheck in California. My question was, specifically, can she get one and can she enforce that in USA? Like many raised concerns, I doubt it!
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I don't know about the US, but I do know there's no chlld-support or alimony treaty between the Philippines and Canada. *That* is the question you need to ask your knowledgeable lawyer.
My *guess* would be "probably not".
Before I get too distracted reading postings I don't have time for, what was I going to write ... oh yes ... there's so much I have no opportunity to report on, so just one of the experience backlog na.
We have this "safe house", actually two, depending on who is where .. so there's this Pinay who's been chasing me for 3 months, and I finally 'helped" her. 19, nice girl, not bar girl. I do believe I'm her #2, which is as perfect s you can get as she proved to me, and of course she loves me. Like I said to her, we'll see if she knows me next year. Anyway, I noticed and wiped up the puddle after our 3rd time in 2 hours and wiped it up. Grabbe! Energetic dii ba!
So I passed on meeting an older friend tonight that would have required precauious travel in the middle of the night when she gets off (her IT work, she's just a real person too), so that's queued for tommorrow if she can get the day off work. I need the night off after my 19-lover anyway. I do want to see my older friend this week while I can, it's a "relationship" worth perpetuating.
The bad part is that next week I go back to "not much here and you don't go out1', once my wife comes home.
Lesson: don't make any solid comitment unless you want "married life" (translation: wala), since once you "settle down" you can then only use opportunities when you can arrange them, which becomes increasingly difficult. If you want boring, go for it. If you want to make love daily, then make sure you have your "arrangements: and "alibies" in place, and *her* relatives to run shotgun for you.l It's possible, but it's not easy, which is the point. Great 19-year-old GF though. I hope that **I** can manage to be with her more.
[QUOTE=TSMDave]Great Thread!
CanContrib, you're my hero! You're living the life I want to lead!
I've been to PI only once and loved it there. It is so down to earth there that I am seriously considering moving there someday.
Just curious, do most of you live there or just visit there once or twice a year?
And if you live there, what type of work is availiable (if you need to work at all).
Regarding filipinas, I've noticed there are different sub races among them, there are the ones who have a very 'tribal' look to them, usually a round face... and there are the ones with slimmer faces like the one here. Is there a regional difference where one could find more of one or the other?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about "most of you", but I have my permanent residency status here now and I have no desire to return to the land of "pay the government and you can have what's left", which is nothing. To your other question yes there is work available, expecially on a professional basis. If you have permanant residency no problem, otherwise it will cost you P5K plus and at least two weeks for a legal work permit for your specific time-limited job. Do you need to work? I don't know. Do you need an income, or do you already have money to burn?
The best advice I can give, after a few years here, doing things mostly the hard and expensive way, is to make your decision, bring a big bunch of money, hook up with the RIGHT people, pay your way through, and then make your life happen. Screw up anywhere and you will pay a lot more.
To the question of slim (or not slim) know that Phils has many centuries of foreign "influence". That means that you can get fat or slim or anywhere inbetween, just like anywhere else. For example, it doesn't matter how much I feed my wife, she is always drop-dead-maganda :) Yup, I like slim; most pinay are.
[QUOTE=Mahku]Every one of my trips to the Philippines has at least one girl trying to pull some pregnancy ploy, 'my period is late,' etc.
From my last visit in November a girl is saying she's 5 months pregnant. And of course she had claimed to be a virgin so it could only be mine, yada yada.[/QUOTE]
Unless you love the girl and want to marry (or at least support her) - which seems very unlikely given the "quality" of girl you're talking about, something like 300pesos should buy you appropriate abortion pills. Hand them to her and tell her to go have a good life and not pester you.
FYI, rumor has it you can get them in lots of places, especially Cubao and likely a lot cheaper there. Easier though to just ask almost any bar girl who will know how to have them brought to you. Or likely any street pimp offering you Viagra will also have some of those handy. Not that I know any of that as fact, of course. :-)
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]overhead 4-5 Bar girls laughing about some idiot who sent her money to go abroad and how She was going to spend the weekend shopping in SM Thanks to the Idiot.Next time Refer your friends to me so I can advice them properly Cheers[/QUOTE]
I know more than a few girls who've met stupid-enough foreigners that they get wire-transfers of $1000 monthly for a while. It's not just a rumor. When the money dries up, then they go looking for the next stupid foreigner. In the interim, I don't mind letting _them_ buy me a few drinks since for a while they have more money to burn than I do. The girls who are really good at it will sometimes have two or more stupid foreigners sending them money at the same time, and just juggle their "visits" to keep the gravytrain rolling. Of course, those are the smart girls; there are a few and lucky for them they're outnumbered by stupid foreigners. I know one girl who built a house for her kids that way. I wish I could afford a nice new cellfone every few months the way she seems to turn up with. She's a good friend though, and we laugh about all this when we trip over each other every few months. Best time to trip over her is when she's just got rid of some stupid foreigner, doesn't need money, and she wants to pay the shot for some wine and time in a jacuzzi with me. Too bad I don't have much chance to get out and trip over her these days. Which reminds me, I should txt her and see what she's up to this weekend.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]next time you are in Cebu or Manila.Yes,They sell E tickets and None refundable and None endorsable Domestic tickets in the PI also.Btw While I was at an Internet Cafe in Burgos that I partially own,[/QUOTE]
Next time you're in Manila, find a way to let me know & maybe we can compare biz notes over a few beers. Seems you and I have more than a few things in common.
Aside from that, any ideas how one might set up to sell travel services out of one's Internet Cafe? :)
We need to expand our revenue base.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Next time you're in Manila, find a way to let me know & maybe we can compare biz notes over a few beers. Seems you and I have more than a few things in common.
Aside from that, any ideas how one might set up to sell travel services out of one's Internet Cafe? :)
We need to expand our revenue base.[/QUOTE]I sent you a pm,But I wanted to clarify something Even though I have lived in the Philippines for the past 15 years,Speak Filipino Tagalog and Cebuano fluently at close to native level,I am NOT involved with a Pinay.I am involved with a Canadian educated Chinese from Shanghai.Pinays are too emotional,Have no concept of Financial planning and consider long range planning what to do tommorow.If you could speak Tagalog,You would really consider what they are thinking.I was listening to a conversation among 4 Burgos girls yesterday,How long after you get to America should you divorce the Stupid MATANDANG GURANG NA KANO,The consensus was after you get your green card then you can bring your boyfriend over.One was saying How SMART her cousin was for marrying and divorcing 3 times,Now she has US citizenship and 2 houses.Of course they had no idea I spoke Tagalog,Just another TANGA FORIEGNER at the table,Filipinas????Pass btw Matandang gurang na Kano is Stupid old goat American
[QUOTE=CanContrib]I know more than a few girls who've met stupid-enough foreigners that they get wire-transfers of $1000 monthly for a while. It's not just a rumor. When the money dries up, then they go looking for the next stupid foreigner. In the interim, I don't mind letting _them_ buy me a few drinks since for a while they have more money to burn than I do. The girls who are really good at it will sometimes have two or more stupid foreigners sending them money at the same time, and just juggle their "visits" to keep the gravytrain rolling. Of course, those are the smart girls; there are a few and lucky for them they're outnumbered by stupid foreigners. I know one girl who built a house for her kids that way. I wish I could afford a nice new cellfone every few months the way she seems to turn up with. She's a good friend though, and we laugh about all this when we trip over each other every few months. Best time to trip over her is when she's just got rid of some stupid foreigner, doesn't need money, and she wants to pay the shot for some wine and time in a jacuzzi with me. Too bad I don't have much chance to get out and trip over her these days. Which reminds me, I should txt her and see what she's up to this weekend.[/QUOTE]
Like you, I know several women here who collect money from multiple guys whom they've never met. Each of the guys thinks that he's "engaged" to the girl, and each sends money every week or every month. My question though is whether this says more about the guys or the girls? I mean, if you're stupid enough and/or pathetic enough to send money to a woman you've never met, about whose character you know absolutely nothing, what does this say about you and your basic intelligence?
Many of the girls I know who are running these multiple scams feel no guilt at all about what they're doing. They say that the odds on any of these guys actually showing up in the PI are small, and that if one ever does show up, she's go with him in a heatbeat and drop the others. These girls seem intent on creating as many options for themselves as possible. And why not? There is apparently no shortage of willing marks waiting to be fleeced. I can understand completely the uncomplicated motivation of these women. What I fail to understand at all is the motivation of the guys involved with them. Do they all that Pygmalion complexes? Do they all lead such empty lives in their own countries that this is the only source of female contact they have? I'll never understand, but their collective gullibilty is supporting hundred, if not thousands of families here, as well as dozens, if not hundred, of internet cafes with web cams and private rooms.
For what these guys are spending, they could afford to come over here for a few weeks and test the waters in person. Most though, never will whether out of fear of travel or commitment to preserving their fantasies, or for other reasons.
Anyway guys, whatever your motivation, keep up the payments. You're having a positive impact on the GDP of a country that needs the foreign exchange.
:D
GE
I do not have anything against Filipinas.I think they make great lovers girlfriends and wives for some people.But the very thraits that make them charming Sweet,Loving,Jealous and Highly emotional do not make them an ideal mate for me.Ask yourself how many BIG businesses in the Philippines are run by pure native Filipinos and How much is run by Spanish and Chinese and Chinese Mixed breedsThe answer is very very little.The tendency for the Filipina is to be more concerned about looking after family then turning a buck.Plus speaking Filipino allows me to understand their mentality which scares me more.So different strokes for different folks.I just cant see a nice sweet Filipina Girl helping run my businesses as my life partner.Sorry for those I offended and who PMed me
A while back I asked CL for info about how to buy a Filipina an air ticket, but prevent her from cashing it in.
My friend, for whatever reasons, wired $500+ to a Cebu bargirl so that she could buy a ticket to Bali and meet him.
Just want to report that she did pick up the money, did buy the ticket, and did go to Bali. Happy ending to that story.
X
[QUOTE=X Man]A while back I asked CL for info about how to buy a Filipina an air ticket, but prevent her from cashing it in.
My friend, for whatever reasons, wired $500+ to a Cebu bargirl so that she could buy a ticket to Bali and meet him.
Just want to report that she did pick up the money, did buy the ticket, and did go to Bali. Happy ending to that story.
X[/QUOTE]Good thing for your friend,That was a rare case indeed,Maybe She never went abroad before and wanted the experience
I been lurking on and off, I was seeking answers on this board, I see it's leaning towards more negetive than positive about marrying a phillipina woman. About pulling scams ect. , I can see the pros and cons, I'm planning to marry one, now I'm getting second thoughts on this. I could be throwing away chance of true happiness, But anyways I met her on yahoo chat about year and a half ago. She is working in HK as a nanny her contract is up in mid July she is from Cagayan de oro city. Not once she ask me to send money if she did then BYE! I move to the next one. I'm planning to go to phili in aug 10 I'm taking a 3 weeks vacation so me and her will get to know eachother even better. I reading someones post if I understood it correctly if she ask money to help her family out while visiting, then I would say Bye! Then I go to bars and fuck many gals I can. Sometimes we text eachother few times a week once in a rare while she will call me then I call her back thank goodness pre paid phone cards. Sometimes she send pics of her and cousins while walking on the streets of HK. It took me months to have her send nude pics of her she send few pics as my b-day present by e-mail she told me she was embarrassed LOL! I know asain women are shy about their body. She asked me why I still single I told her I don't like white women and gave her my reasons I don't like white women because their attitude ect. Ect. She understood my reasons, and I was being straight foward to her and told her if we ever marry someday and if you start to get white women way of thinking (Fem Nazi) I would tell you to leave my house and don't come back. She understood loud and clear and told me she don't go for white women ways she rather stay to her phili ways being a good wife attend to husband needs, We shall see on this. After meeting her I will get a Finance? Visa since you have 90 days to marry I will test drive her for 2 months while living me if everything goes smoothly then we will marry. So how long does the visa takes to get processed and approved? I heard it's 6 months so what's the time length? For visa? I thank you for your input on this.
I been lurking on and off. I was seeking answers on this board about marrying fillipna woman, all I see it's leaning more towards to negetive than positive, about them scamming and ect. Now I'm getting second thoughts on this, I could throw away the true happiness. I understand the pros and cons, Anyways I'm planning to marry one she is working In HK as a caregiver her contract is up in mid July, I met her on yahoo chat year and half ago, I was planning to take 3 weeks of vacation and I will leave aug 10 she is from Cagayan de oro city. I figure 3 weeks is enough to get to know her even better. Sometimes she send me pics of her and cousins walking on the streets of HK, sometimes she text me and rarely calls me and I call her back thank goodness for prepaid phone cards. Not once she asked me to send her money, if she did then I'll say Bye! I go find someone else. Even while visiting if she ask for money to help her family, Again I'll say bye. I go to bars and bang many gals I can find, she asked me why I still single never married I told her I don't like white women because of their attitude ect. Ect. She understood my reasons. I was being straight foward to her and told her if we ever marry someday and you get the white women way of thinking (Fem nazi)I will kick her out of my house and she understood loud and clear she told me she don't go for white women ways. We shall see on this LOL! I heard finance visa takes 6 months to get approved? So what is the actual time length for visa to get approved? I figure with the visa you have 90 days to get married so when she arrives we will live together for 2 months as a test drive if everything goes smoothly then I will marry her. I thank you for your input on this.
Do not think that Philippine women are bad,Remember that there is a world of difference between normal girls and bar girls.The fact she is working overseas as a contract worker is already a plus,Thay means she is not a lazy person,These workers work 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week.But they are not perfect wives,Like all women they have defects unique to the Filipina,Strong Family ties that means she will always help her family.Accept this for all Filipinas,A Fiance visa allows for a test drive,But go further Have a Pre-Nuptial agreement also.They are emotional,That means loving to the point of self sacrifice but also that they are not as rational and logical as the western mind,If she wants to help her Family do not hold it against her,Many times Family contributes towards the cost of working abroad which is like 1 years income for the average Filipino in Placement fees,Ticket etc.She might be wanting to repay assistance given to her.Go ahead take a chance,Since she has certain plus factors Just remember Pre nuptial and Dont have her hold the finances until you have been together sometime.Processing for Fiance Visa is 6 months to one year Best regards
You have to understand that to A Filipina Family is above all,Once She considers you a her true ASAWA and no longer a Stupid KANO,then as Can Contrib says you are fine.But before that stage in your relationship keep your guard up.
Been away a few days, haven't read all of the posts. My experience is like 95%+ positive, met very few scammers, actually only 1 or possibly 2 out of 200+ "penpals". As I've said before, my wife (then Fiance) got pissed at me for buying her family a refrigerator before we got engaged, would also tell me to stop sending her simple gifts such as T-Shirts, souveniers, etc..
We did help her brother in his business, but we only matched what the Kuya had "invested".
Here in the States, have met close to 100 Fil-Am couples, only one went sour - she was already married and took her Am hubby for a ride.
My wife worked as a DH in Singapore and HK, but she isn't the best housekeeper, LOL. I do help out. She is the most passionate woman I have met and probably loves me more than my Mother did, if that is possible.
You do have to use the head on your shoulders when making a decision - if something doesn't seem right, chill out and wait before making a decision or walk away. Get other peoples opinions, I did. I met my wife in HK and had a chat friend from CB (female) meet us in Kowloon for lunch and got her opinion, as well as opinions from Americans and Filipinos in the Phils when we were there.
I'm very positive about Filipinas as wives, but maybe go there with just the idea of meeting friends; if you meet the right one, then you will naturally start thinking of a more serious relationship. Don't go there with the intention of "finding a wife".
A trial at a local court here that got little media attention appears certain to untangle a web of deception and betrayal involving a Filipina in a case that smacks of greed and murder.
full story at: [url]http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200605190158.html[/url]
Pals,
I believe that scams by filipinas are abundant today. Especially using the internet.I will Post my experiences when I return to the USA.
There still are many good women here. I am fortunate in this regard also.
Dragon Slayer
[QUOTE=Bumbo]I been lurking on and off. I was seeking answers on this board about marrying fillipna woman, all I see it's leaning more towards to negetive than positive, about them scamming and ect. Now I'm getting second thoughts on this, .... .[/QUOTE]
As you're reading all this "advice", remember to compare sexworkers with sexworks anywhere, bar-girls with bar-girls, and non-sex-worker girls with ordinary girls. Remember that *any* girl wll grace your bed if she likes you enough to do so and you happen to trip over her at the right time, it's just a lot easier here in Phils than in NA. A like-for-like comparision still has Pinays well ahead in the ratings, pick your category, jjust make sure you _understand_ the category you pick and are confiidant that your girl is indeed who she says she is. (there's no requirement that girls always tell the truth, especially first time, di ba?).
In summation, would I pick a good Pinay over a (supposedly "good" NorthAmerican) woman?
Hell yah!!!!!!! Just have your act together when you do that. odds (yes *odds*) are that a good Pinay is more likely than any NA female. You still need to seleect the right one for you, eh?
[QUOTE=X Man]A trial at a local court here that got little media attention appears certain to untangle a web of deception and betrayal involving a Filipina in a case that smacks of greed and murder.
full story at: [url]http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200605190158.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Scams *are* abundant today, true!. The more literate the scammer, the more prolferant the scam.
When in countries where the "law" doesn't defacto auto-scam the man, yes, females have more incentive. As always, "buyer beware"! At least in Phils you get some value for your expenditure.
Consider it this way, long term, you spend $1M in North America, and you have _what_ at the end of it all? Bankrupcy and your broken heart? Contrast, you bring $100K to Phils, use your head, and you have .... ?
What's the worst? for $100K you have 10 years of great life with girls you couldn't even dream of back in NA, never mind the NA hassles.
What's the best? YOu have a *LIFE*, and you keep your other $900K in reserve if you have that much to start with if your NA "wife" didn't suck the rest of your life from you before you found a map.
Yeah, maybe you (like me) don't have $1million, but hey, do the math, you want a life or you want $900K of debts to pay until you die with NO love somewhere in NA with some deadbeat woman sucking the life out of you *by*law* there? Yeah, pick one, since you can't have both.
You do your proper research where you're sitting, and then when you already *know* where your'e going, you spend "what" (in comparison) is almost nothing, to find out where life is better?
Na, you all stay back in US & Canada & Europe. Don't come here to Phils! It's terrible here (write me if you want ot know all the bad stuff). Don't come here. Stay away. Better we have more good girls longing for us who are already here. Yes, stay away, please!!! The odds are already something like 3:1 (female-to-male) ; don't you mess that up, we like it this way!
[QUOTE=Bumbo]I ... and you get the white women way of thinking (Fem nazi)I will kick her out of my house and she understood loud and clear she told me she don't go for white women ways.[/QUOTE]
If you bring her to NA, don't be surprised if she strangely beocmes a "white woman".
[QUOTE=Bumbo]
We shall see on this LOL! I heard finance visa takes 6 months to get approved? So what is the actual time length for visa to get approved? I figure with the visa you have 90 days to get married so when she arrives we will live together for 2 months as a test drive if everything goes smoothly then I will marry her. I thank you for your input on this.[/QUOTE]
Visa "requirements" vary from country to country; I won't even think to start to guess wich is yours and what might apply. In general, what a given country's web site might tell you is just the official line - try to act it out and you might get a bit of a surprise.
LIve with her for as long as it takes in the Phils (my thinking is 5 years is a good benchmark), and *then* see what happens when you travel outside Phils. As another wise resident commented, if you want to abrogate that time, a pre-nuptual agreement would be very appropriate. What does your aswa-to-be say about that?
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?
[QUOTE=Cebu Local] ... [taken out-of-contex] That means loving to the point of self sacrifice but also that they are not as rational and logical as the western mind,If she wants to help her Family do not hold it against her,Many times Family contributes towards the cost of working abroad which is like 1 years income for the average Filipino in Placement fees,Ticket etc.She might be wanting to repay assistance given to her.Go ahead take a chance,Since she has certain plus factors Just remember Pre nuptial and Dont have her hold the finances until you have been together sometime.Processing for Fiance Visa is 6 months to one year Best regards[/QUOTE]
I just dropped akin bayou (Pinoy brother-in-law) off at NAIA (the airport) for his OFW contract. I hope to see him by Christmas again. As usual, we ran shotgun for each other while he's "home" - which this year meant he stayed with us (long story!) We had a very quick window of opportunity while he's at his girlfriend's house for a last minute quickie, and I had a chance on the way to deliver him to the airport to treat two other bayou to some "nice girls" for a fast convenient hour (yeah, me too, funny how someone I know just happened to be available). What did I spend for the 3 of us? Um, P2500 for the 3 of us, including gas, beer, tatlong quarto, tapos sempre yung babae, lahat. Ok, I didn't have quite enough with me, so I told the dude to collect the balance of 40pesos from whoever has it, walang problema. :) Of course this is out in Cavite, not metro Manila.
How do I know of this hidden place in Imus? Sempre, from my brother-in-law's brother-in-law. :-)
OO! Pinoy family is good! So I'm lucky with her family, or are they lucky with me? Whatever, it works! They bought food on the way home, since I was out of cash.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]I do not have anything against Filipinas.I think they make great lovers girlfriends and wives for some people.But the very thraits that make them charming Sweet,Loving,Jealous and Highly emotional do not make them an ideal mate for me.Ask yourself how many BIG businesses in the Philippines are run by pure native Filipinos and How much is run by Spanish and Chinese and Chinese Mixed breedsThe answer is very very little.The tendency for the Filipina is to be more concerned about looking after family then turning a buck.Plus speaking Filipino allows me to understand their mentality which scares me more.So different strokes for different folks.I just cant see a nice sweet Filipina Girl helping run my businesses as my life partner.Sorry for those I offended and who PMed me[/QUOTE]
Yeah,tell me about it! Juggling personal relationship *and* being business partner with a Pinay isn't exactly all roses. Then again, it's nice to be able to tell her brothers that it's *her* business that's buying the night's beer tapos amin polutan. That of course also means that you'd better get laid "labas" kasi she's not interested by the time you get home after drinking outside.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]I sent you a pm,But I wanted to clarify something Even though I have lived in the Philippines for the past 15 years,Speak Filipino Tagalog and Cebuano fluently at close to native level,I am NOT involved with a Pinay.I am involved with a Canadian educated Chinese from Shanghai.Pinays are too emotional,Have no concept of Financial planning and consider long range planning what to do tommorow.If you could speak Tagalog,You would really consider what they are thinking.I was listening to a conversation among 4 Burgos girls yesterday,How long after you get to America should you divorce the Stupid MATANDANG GURANG NA KANO,The consensus was after you get your green card then you can bring your boyfriend over.One was saying How SMART her cousin was for marrying and divorcing 3 times,Now she has US citizenship and 2 houses.Of course they had no idea I spoke Tagalog,Just another TANGA FORIEGNER at the table,Filipinas????Pass btw Matandang gurang na Kano is Stupid old goat American[/QUOTE]
That really does depend on the girl, eh? Though I've not been here quite as long as you, I've (over)heard many Taglog conversations between bar girls (and others), and yes, I know very well wereof you speak. Who knows, maybe if after all these years I take my wife to Canada that will be the end of it all, but if so, well, I can't kick about what she's given me in return thus far. Then again, the key, as everywhere, seems to be to ensure that one's "partner" knows the bread is best buttered together. Not easy, anywhere; thus one must chose wisely and deal with it every day. Ultimately its a personal relationship thing and yes, financial.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?[/QUOTE]Nice talking to you earlier,I bumped into the Immigration officer of that country you are a citizen of this evening.You will most probably get her visa approved,Straight from the horses mouth of that wonderful country s immigration consul.If only the weather was better........Cheers Btw its AKING asawa
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Nice talking to you earlier,I bumped into the Immigration officer of that country you are a citizen of this evening.You will most probably get her visa approved,Straight from the horses mouth of that wonderful country s immigration consul.If only the weather was better........Cheers[/QUOTE]
Ditto, my pleasure. Thanks for the feedback; I'm just waiting for one important piece of legal paperwork from "back there" to make them happier with my own status to ensure that's not any possible impediment. We're thinking of just trying for a simple "tourist visa", did your contact suggest anything better?
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]
Btw its AKING asawa[/QUOTE]
You're quite right. I have this nasty habit of trying to write tagalog the way I all to often improperly mis-accent it.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Ditto, my pleasure. Thanks for the feedback; I'm just waiting for one important piece of legal paperwork from "back there" to make them happier with my own status to ensure that's not any possible impediment. We're thinking of just trying for a simple "tourist visa", did your contact suggest anything better?
You're quite right. I have this nasty habit of trying to write tagalog the way I all to often improperly mis-accent it.[/QUOTE]You have to start with a simple Tourist Visa,You cannot sponsor the wifey for anything else ,Since you are not a Resident of that country,You are a none resident you know what.Only resident you know whats can sponsor.Best regards
As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to [url]www.plra.gov.ph[/url]
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to [url]www.plra.gov.ph[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow! Wish they'd done that a few years ago, would have saved me a big bunch of money dealing with the previous requirement!
Is it just me. Becoming to jaded and such. Or does anyone elses seem to think they are all scamminig us to some point?
Dated a few. Banged a few. Written to many over the years. I think with the advent of the internet as opposed to the days of snail mail. Scammers are more prevalent? (in relation to girl friend/partner type girls)
It seems to me that technology has allowed the chicks who scam to flourish. Its just to easy.
In my humble opinion the chicks are less genuine. Than in years past. Maybe its just me being naieve. Or just fucking stupid?
But after visiting. Banging. Dating and romancing. As well as reading the other posts and adventures. I just do not feel the same easiness about things. Anyone else thinking the same?
Not so willing to take on one as a partner as years back (now in early 40's). Maybe common sense says. There are still lots of good looking white tail here that are ready and available to fuck. Plus the ones in my circle have jobs and cash (maybe mostly from x husbands). But who fucking cares.
Still like LBFM type chicks but. Really weary about paying for anyones shit past tonight.
Frank
Although I take my mongering serious, there is a limit to taking oneself and/or the mongering process serious.
There will always be scams differentiated by culture - eastern vs. western
Lighten up an enjoy.
[QUOTE=Frank4220]Is it just me. Becoming to jaded and such. Or does anyone elses seem to think they are all scamminig us to some point?
Dated a few. Banged a few. Written to many over the years. I think with the advent of the internet as opposed to the days of snail mail. Scammers are more prevalent? (in relation to girl friend/partner type girls)
It seems to me that technology has allowed the chicks who scam to flourish. Its just to easy.
In my humble opinion the chicks are less genuine. Than in years past. Maybe its just me being naieve. Or just fucking stupid?
But after visiting. Banging. Dating and romancing. As well as reading the other posts and adventures. I just do not feel the same easiness about things. Anyone else thinking the same?
Not so willing to take on one as a partner as years back (now in early 40's). Maybe common sense says. There are still lots of good looking white tail here that are ready and available to fuck. Plus the ones in my circle have jobs and cash (maybe mostly from x husbands). But who fucking cares.
Still like LBFM type chicks but. Really weary about paying for anyones shit past tonight.
Frank[/QUOTE]
The fee for this visa is $1,500.00! You also need to have money transferred to a bank account in PH!
No dice! If the visa fee was $150.00, I would consider this. Too expensive otherwise.
MD
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]As info to anyone interested. The Philippine Retirement Authority just lowered the required six month bank deposit from usd 50,000 to usd 20,000 for persons 50 years and older. This is for a six month trial period starting May 28th. Go to [url]www.plra.gov.ph[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Muf Diver]The fee for this visa is $1,500.00! You also need to have money transferred to a bank account in PH!
No dice! If the visa fee was $150.00, I would consider this. Too expensive otherwise.
MD[/QUOTE]
Are we talking about the same thing here?!? This is about Permanent Residency! *NOT* just a one-shot (or pay ad-infinitum) visitor visa. If you want to stay *permanantly*, it's one hell of a good deal. If you're just coming for a few weeks and might come back for 21 days some oher year, then you are way confused and on the wrong thread. Your first 3 weeks visitor visa to Phils costs you precisely NOTHING.
Look at it this way, whatever country you're from, what would it cost some foreigner to go to YOUR country and be treated as an almost-citizen of your country?
[QUOTE=CanContrib]If you bring her to NA, don't be surprised if she strangely beocmes a "white woman".
Visa "requirements" vary from country to country; I won't even think to start to guess wich is yours and what might apply. In general, what a given country's web site might tell you is just the official line - try to act it out and you might get a bit of a surprise.
LIve with her for as long as it takes in the Phils (my thinking is 5 years is a good benchmark), and *then* see what happens when you travel outside Phils. As another wise resident commented, if you want to abrogate that time, a pre-nuptual agreement would be very appropriate. What does your aswa-to-be say about that?
While I have yet to try to get "akin asawa" into the country I'm a citizen of, I really do expect the embassy to be less reluctanct to grant a visa to someone I've lived with 5 years solid than to someone I *might* want to marry 'maybe' 'if', etc. We'll see. Best of luck!
General advice, live with her (and her family) for a few years - see if she (and her familyl) is who you want to spend the rest of youf life with (and mutually support) - otherwise, why are you trying to get a visa for her?[/QUOTE]Okay I wish I could live there for few years I need to win lottery Lol! sadly it would be impossible. as for pre-nup I was being straight with her I was telling her that most women in phili will use men as a 1 way ticket to USA that they will marry once they get green card they divorce the sucker and take half what he owns, she told me she not like other women who will do that, at first she was reluctant to agree pre-nupt. so I have to explain to her more clearly and she agrees to sign the pre-nupt so she was okay with it, she told me wants a good life nothing else.. thats cool but we will see what happens when we meet.
CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?[/QUOTE]Yes,CanContrib is using a SRR visa,The process takes a couple of months
[QUOTE=Bumbo]Okay I wish I could live there for few years I need to win lottery Lol! sadly it would be impossible.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you don't have that baliktad (backwards)?
Again, I don't know your country, if it's US or Canada, then you need to win the lottery to live back *there*. In the Phils, if you have any decent savings, or a pension from your former country, or you have a business there or here that you can draw a little bit from monthly, then you're ok. Put it this way, you can live in the Phils and live here very well for a lot less than the poverty line wherever you come from back there. Works for me!
[QUOTE=Bumbo]
as for pre-nup I was being straight with her I was telling her that most women in phili will use men as a 1 way ticket to USA that they will marry once they get green card they divorce the sucker and take half what he owns, she told me she not like other women who will do that, at first she was reluctant to agree pre-nupt. so I have to explain to her more clearly and she agrees to sign the pre-nupt so she was okay with it, she told me wants a good life nothing else.. thats cool but we will see what happens when we meet.[/QUOTE]
Yup, so they all say. Maybe she's being honest with you, but even then, will it still be the same after she's resident in the US (or whatever western country) and absorbs the typical western female take-the-man-for-everything-the-legal-system-lets-you-take-him-for? Maybe not. I wish you luck. I trust my wife here, who I've known almost 5 years and been together with for almost that long, but hey, I'm not so sure what would happen if I take her back to NA! I'm half-comfortable that after all that time she really loves me and means every word of everything she says about us growing old together. The other half of me is still cautious about all that and *now* I'm contemplating taking her to NA for a one-month first visit; we'll see what happens if I do. That's after 5 years. You have what so far, zero days together? Come here, meet the hoped-for love-of-your-life and pray she's as real and as honest FOREVER as she's telling you she is. Live with her, and come back here in 2011 and tell us how it turns out.
Yes, a woman will most certainly be heinously insulted if you ask her to sign a document committing her to be worthy of your trust! After all, the man should commit everything and just hope he might not get taken all the way to his grave, right? Think about how that is in *your* own country. Then apply the Pinay aspect where the culture suggests that such should NEVER be needed. Right. Meanwhile, back in the 21st century ...
Oh, and if you're going to go for the pre-nup, then make sure it's going to be "legal" in *your* country of origin, so that if you lose everything you have in Phils you at least have something back there to start over with. In short, "Cover Thy Butt!" lest someone you hope to trust bites it way too hard. Did I mention they *do* bite?
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]CanContrib I take it you have a SRRVisa. How cumbersome was the process?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Makes me next thing to a citizen, but not that; that's to come. The process wasn't in retrospect all that cumbersome. I don't regret having paid someone I could trust to wave the right magic wands in the right faces and take care of making sure everyone that needed to sign things did so with minimal fuss. I probably paid an extra maybe up to P10,000 for that and it was well worth it. Once I had the "requirements" straight, I spent a couple of hours filling out redundant paperwork in many forms, not that anyone in retrospect cared much about what I put in there though I spent the time and effort to be factual. Get the "investment certificate". Then a trip to NBI for "clearance" and inky fingers. Attend at Bureau of Quarantine at the port for that clearance (whole other story). Complete yet more forms. Attend at varioui BI offices to get things signed and expedited (and more inky fingers) until I had all the needed *after*visa* resident documents.
I'll not quote my total expenditure, since the amount varies with the situation and who you know, but if I'm around to read it I"ll privately point you at a good person to make things happen for you, all very legal, wearing his BI agent ID when he's at BI with you.
All in all, about one month from when I handed him the money needed, and yes I had some complications, and that was all done over the Christmas and NY holiday period! He lamented "no more visa renewal business from you, di ba?" I surprised him with a P1000 tip after the fact, in appreciation for all he's done for me over the years.
Now I can come and go the same as any Pinoy anytime I want. No more VISA renewals. More importantly I can legallly work in Phils with not special work permit needed. Sure there ways around that if you're in business, but this is MUCH cleaner. Now I just have to pay a little over P300 every January at any city hall to get my head taxed and it's all legal and good. I can live with that just fine thank you. It costs me more to get my car licenceplate renewed here, and my Phils drivers licence renewal.
So not so bad. Try getting it done as cheap, with professional help, and as fast in any western country!!!!!
I've been emailing a woman from PSBank who says the process is no problem at all. She even said a representative from the Philippine Retirement Authority can walk a person through it. This would be great if true but I have my doubts. I would gladly pay someone 10,000 pesos to expedite the process. I don't want to spend my entire vacation in Makati dealing with this.
After the six month term deposit at the bank, where did you invest your money after that?
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]I've been emailing a woman from PSBank who says the process is no problem at all. She even said a representative from the Philippine Retirement Authority can walk a person through it. This would be great if true but I have my doubts. I would gladly pay someone 10,000 pesos to expedite the process. I don't want to spend my entire vacation in Makati dealing with this.
After the six month term deposit at the bank, where did you invest your money after that?[/QUOTE]Property,A small business..........Sorry CanContrib for answering for you and butting in,But basically I am familiar with the rules and after the 6 months,That is where you can shift the money to just like you did,Fred It really can be done that quickly,You can also bring in your car and stuff from the overseas duty free
CanContrib,
I have a aunt who works at the law office. I will ask her to have the lawyer she works for to have pre-nupt ready to make sure everything is good
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Property,A small business..........Sorry CanContrib for answering for you and butting in,But basically I am familiar with the rules and after the 6 months,That is where you can shift the money to just like you did,Fred It really can be done that quickly,You can also bring in your car and stuff from the overseas duty free[/QUOTE]
Walang problema, Cebu, it saves me some typing. :-) Please elaborate about the duty-free car-and-stuff, I myself have no idea since ako at aking aswa started our life together with our respective suitcases oh so long ago. I do have a nice car and stuff "back in the old country" but didn't even contemplate the cost (what would that be) of shipping it all the way here and then paying to avoid the hoops of getting it smogged (for no good reason), the "conduction sticker", plus the usual LTO licencing BS. Seemed way cheaper for me to just buy a good used car for P50K here which is exactly what I did and two years after doing that I'm still driving it or at least will be again when the "agent" shows up with the renewal sticker. I wouldn't mind having my NA car here, rather than letting a friend back there maintain and drive it free, though I just can't see much opportunity to be driving it at the accustomed 140km/hr there, here. Still it's a good asset, so do you think I can get it shipped here for less than the pittance I'd get if I sold it off back there? Maybe I should just talk to one of aking bayou and see if he can squeeze it into one of the containers he loads onto ships when he's over there?
One thing you missed answering Cebu, since you wouldn't know my situation, I re-"invested" the 6-month term deposit to pay down my nice low 21% mortgage at the time plus fund aking aswa's business, which these days nicely pays for the basic necessities of life, plus. Don't tell anyone, but I actually did that somewhat "baliktad", which did complicate things somewhat and is part of what I paid out the (approx) P10K to "take care of".
Life is good.
[QUOTE=Bumbo]CanContrib,
I have a aunt who works at the law office. I will ask her to have the lawyer she works for to have pre-nupt ready to make sure everything is good[/QUOTE]
Ok, though not sure what country your aunt is in. Probably most important if NA is to ensure that you'll be clean or at least-cut-and-dried legally-enforceable clean (if worst should happen). However, don't for a moment neglect the reality that should the worst happen, there's no such thing as "divorce" in the Philippines. There is however annulment, and that will cost something like 200+K-peso or more if y ou want it faster than the usual 2 or more years, plus it (like divorce back "there") is a royal pain in the posterious - like a hemeroid that just won't go away for way too long.
Be *very* careful, both here and back there to ensure that no one can ever make claim of "bigamy" against you. Ever. You can have all the love and sex you want, make babies, tell lies about your relationships to make things look good, but never NEVER ***NEVER*** be legally married to more than one person at the same time in any and all countries. Just don't do that even if you think you can play that legal game. No one should ever need to reflect on that advice from a lifetime jail anywhere. Above all else, that's one thing I've beeen very very careful to preclude. The same applies to your intended life-partner, since if she's over 18 she's as likely to be already married as not. Even if not married, there might be some boyfriend making BS claims on her. I don't know if any of that that's an issue to you or if you even *know* if it's an issue to you, but it's worth mentioning in this general forum for everyone to note.
Yeah, this is a "worst case" thread, but we should all keep our eyes wide open and prepare for all those "worst case" situations.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Walang problema, Cebu, it saves me some typing. :-) Please elaborate about the duty-free car-and-stuff, I myself have no idea since ako at aking aswa started our life together with our respective suitcases oh so long ago. I do have a nice car and stuff "back in the old country" but didn't even contemplate the cost (what would that be) of shipping it all the way here and then paying to avoid the hoops of getting it smogged (for no good reason), the "conduction sticker", plus the usual LTO licencing BS. Seemed way cheaper for me to just buy a good used car for P50K here which is exactly what I did and two years after doing that I'm still driving it or at least will be again when the "agent" shows up with the renewal sticker. I wouldn't mind having my NA car here, rather than letting a friend back there maintain and drive it free, though I just can't see much opportunity to be driving it at the accustomed 140km/hr there, here. Still it's a good asset, so do you think I can get it shipped here for less than the pittance I'd get if I sold it off back there? Maybe I should just talk to one of aking bayou and see if he can squeeze it into one of the containers he loads onto ships when he's over there?
One thing you missed answering Cebu, since you wouldn't know my situation, I re-"invested" the 6-month term deposit to pay down my nice low 21% mortgage at the time plus fund aking aswa's business, which these days nicely pays for the basic necessities of life, plus. Don't tell anyone, but I actually did that somewhat "baliktad", which did complicate things somewhat and is part of what I paid out the (approx) P10K to "take care of".
Life is good.[/QUOTE]Yes,There is a way to bring it in,But I think that you should avail of the benefit once you move to the PI,Let me check if you can still availe of that benefit.Ok I will get back to you
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Yes,There is a way to bring it in,But I think that you should avail of the benefit once you move to the PI,Let me check if you can still availe of that benefit.Ok I will get back to you[/QUOTE]
Thanks Cebu. Needless to say, the more time passes, the less the value, and for the car, hey, I haven't seen it in a few years so (email promises notwithstanding) who knows if it even remotely remsembles the car I last drove there and remember owning. Ditto the other "stuff" I have back there. Furniture is "mura dito", so I must wonder if the cost of shipping stuff from there to here is worth it. Ditto aging computer parts, which are obsolete the day after you buy them anywhere. There seem to basically be 2 factors: "shipping cost" and "import cost", so the real question must be ... do those two add up to less than "current replacement cost" in the Philippines.
CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Thanks Cebu. Needless to say, the more time passes, the less the value, and for the car, hey, I haven't seen it in a few years so (email promises notwithstanding) who knows if it even remotely remsembles the car I last drove there and remember owning. Ditto the other "stuff" I have back there. Furniture is "mura dito", so I must wonder if the cost of shipping stuff from there to here is worth it. Ditto aging computer parts, which are obsolete the day after you buy them anywhere. There seem to basically be 2 factors: "shipping cost" and "import cost", so the real question must be ... do those two add up to less than "current replacement cost" in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]
If you get a retirement VISA you can bring up to $7,000 worth of goods from the US>
[QUOTE=J Boy]If you get a retirement VISA you can bring up to $7,000 worth of goods from the US>[/QUOTE]You can play with the figures and actually bring in much much more then 7,000 dollars
If I were moving to the Philippines...
...what would I bring...what should I bring?
The only thing I can really think of is cutting edge electronics: Computer / cameras / music devices.
Those of you who live in Philippines? What would you recommend?
Oh, thinking of GE...fine wine.
OH...Japanese condoms?*
* Since there are more lawyers in the USA than there are those little wiggly spermy things, American condoms are very thck. They won't break. Used Amerocondoms are sometimes used as auto tire retreads. Of course the "big" men on this list will tell you that they are too tight. Hmmm.... rubber stretches and a little tight makes the fun last a little longer. Every guy I ever met who said, "too small", also admitted that he'd never worn a J. condom.
X
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.[/QUOTE]
Fred, I can't go posting his contact info online. However, you're welcome to email me through this forum a couple or so weeks before you'll be in Malate next, and perhaps we can arrange a time to meet and I'll introduce you in a public place - the same way as I was introduced to him years ago, in person.
[QUOTE=X Man]If I were moving to the Philippines...
...what would I bring...what should I bring?
The only thing I can really think of is cutting edge electronics: Computer / cameras / music devices.
Those of you who live in Philippines? What would you recommend?
Oh, thinking of GE...fine wine.
OH...Japanese condoms?*
* Since there are more lawyers in the USA than there are those little wiggly spermy things, American condoms are very thck. They won't break. Used Amerocondoms are sometimes used as auto tire retreads. Of course the "big" men on this list will tell you that they are too tight. Hmmm.... rubber stretches and a little tight makes the fun last a little longer. Every guy I ever met who said, "too small", also admitted that he'd never worn a J. condom.
X[/QUOTE]
Well, the wine for sure, especially if you're not moving to Manila or another large city. Japanese and US condoms are readily available in the larger cities, and I think these are a necessity. My experience with the made-in-Philippines brands is that they're too tight and, more importantly, they have a tendency to break.
You might also want to consider a high end computer. It's tough, even in Manila, to buy the latest stuff since most Filipinos cannot afford it. Even the brand name computers here tend to me low to mid-range. All of the other electronic gear mentioned by Xman are available here, at least in Manila, at countless shops and at competitive prices. There's no need to import cameras, stereo equipment and the like.
:D
GE
[QUOTE=Fred C Dobbs]CanContrib I would like the contact of the person who assisted you in getting your SRRV.[/QUOTE]
Fred, further to my previous response, I happened to be in Malate today and spoke with my contact about this, specifically for you and also in general. In situations where I can't offhand personally introduce someone, we've arranged that he will respond to a Phils cell# that I might pass to him. After that it's between you and him. This forum has an email (aka "PM") facility so that you can pass yours to me to pass to him, if you like. Matters not for me if you do or don't, since my only interest is to try to both help someone who hasn't yet learned what I've learned and at the same time help the Pinoy BI facilitator (no, not "fixer"!) who's helped me so much over the years.
[QUOTE=CanContrib:] ... I probably paid an extra maybe up to P10,000 for that and it was well worth it. ... I'll not quote my total expenditure, since the amount varies with the situation and who you know ... [/QUOTE]
Lest anyone be confused, I should emphasize that the (about) 10K pesos I paid for his services was just that, for HIS services. That's NOT the total to get it all done, since he has to pay a lot of fees and a lot of people on your behalf. Again the precise amount will vary depending on the applicant's situation and how much groundwork the applicant has himself done (I did most of it myself), so if you ask him to do it all for you from first inquiry to completion, reasonably expect to pay him for all his work for you.
What's the grand total? Again, "depending", between 100,000 & 200,000 pesos. For most people it'll likely be in the middle of that range. Or you can do it yourself for less, if you know exactly what you're doing and don't *permanantly* screw it up for yourself. Well, nothing is "permanent", anything can be fixed at a cost higher than what you might have naively tried to save in an foreign environment. I've learned that in fields where I'm not the professional, it's better to pay someone to do the hard tricky stuff.
I should also mention, that given the large amount I certainly had reservations about handing over all that cash, even with his track record of complete honesty with me over the years and the recommendations that brought me to him in the first place. I also had the able assistance of aking asawa whose suspicious of everything especially of her countrymen, plus the advise of many good local friends. Anyone reading this should always have the same concerns. Don't trust me and don't trust anyone just because you read words here; satisify yourself before handing over BIG CASH. Anywhere to anyone. One little tip - you can do it in installments as work progresses, but again, be very comfortable with who you're dealing with. Not everyone is honest. I just happened to get lucky after having learned to be very careful, the hard way. Don't come back on me or anyone here if you fail to properly read and understand all the words.
Did I mention *CASH*? You don't pay for such with a cheque. Hell, try to pay BIR with a cheque! You want to pay your taxes in the Philippines - even BIR will point you to an ATM. Try writing a cheque for BIR or BID, go ahead, try it. Been there, done that. Learned.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Well, the wine for sure, especially if you're not moving to Manila or another large city. Japanese and US condoms are readily available in the larger cities, and I think these are a necessity. My experience with the made-in-Philippines brands is that they're too tight and, more importantly, they have a tendency to break.
GE[/QUOTE]
Geez! You must be so huge that Pinays take one look and run away. I'm "average" by NA standards and I consistantly get the "you're so BIG!!!" line, since NA "average" IS "big" compared to Asian; my wife laughs hysterically at most Asian "bold movies" which is great for setting the right mood after you've been together for a long time. Compare condoms to T-shirt sizes. That stated, I've never had a local Phils condom break and the 12peso-for-3pack local variety works just fine for me. Are you sure your girl is properly applying it to your member? I do have some imported condoms in my old suitcase but they're never conveniently available for obvious reasons, much handier to just drop a few coins whever you need them.
One observation though, no matter what the condom, they *will* slip off if you're still in there half an hour after you're done. Then it's time for a fishing expedition.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]
You might also want to consider a high end computer. It's tough, even in Manila, to buy the latest stuff
GE[/QUOTE]
Unless you want to buy excruciatingly bleeding-edge computer components, meaning it won't come out of the factory until the day after tommorrow, I can't think of much new stuff you can't get in uncountable places within the Manila NCR. If it's available anywhere after yesterday you'll find it here, somewhere. Instead, finding older stuff to match up with what you already have is the problem, but that's a problem anywhere.
New stuff? Phils is a lot closer to Asian manufacturers then NA or Europe, di ba?
True if you want it yesterday, you should fly to HongKong or Taiwan or maybe Korea. If you want it *next* week, fly to NA or Europe 2 weeks later and probably pay a bit more. We won't mention that plane tickets aren't exactly free no matter how you slice that.
Example: I needed a Very*big*disk*drive. Last week I told the girl at one place that I have already bought what she said the ONLY importer of such can't get, and I bought it over one month ago at the best rock-bottom price. If it's an Asian manufacturer (and most are) then if it's available anywhere on the planet yesterday, it's available today here. Yes, I had to know where to check and yes I had to do my homework for that particular component, same as I'd have to do anywhere.
Yes, prices can and should be expected to be all over the board. You can easily pay double or you can pay half. Depends on your knowledge and bargaining skills. Once you have raport with your regular suppliers and they know that you *know* more than they do, you can't get screwed. Once I found it, the next issue was price - they had an old price on their pricelist. I told the manager to make a phone call. She knows that I know more than she does. I got it for the *right* price, plus triple their usual in-store replacement warranty, plus a kick-in freebie. Life is good.
Sorry somehow rest of my reply did not show up on this board.. I'm from USA and my aunt who works for a lawyer office is from USA she lives in my old small town in michigan. right now I am living in california, I wish I could live in phili for few years but I don't have a huge savings or good pension, I'm 39 I got years to go if I want to retire and I hope I have good pension for retirement in future, right now i'm working at a dead end job.. I am planning to be in phili by aug 20 I was lucky my job gave me 3 weeks of vacation when I asked for an extra week of vacation, I was lucky I have way too many vacation hours, so if thats a big if everything goes well. I will get a finance visa she will fly to Michigan. I will head back to michigan 3 weeks before she arrives, I had enough of big city lifestyle in California, so I will try to start a new life with her in Michigan.
Thanks for answering CanContrib. I think I will try the advise of my contact at PSBank first.
Pals,
Back home. I was surprised to hear one guy, age 39, talking about retirement. I will retire when I am dead. Slowing down a bit with work is one thing. Retiring? Ever see what happens to people who retire? My father became a dull, boring person after he finally gave up his exciting and personally gratifying career.
I used to drop by Our Place, the expat dve bar/hangout in d/t Cebu. I stopped going there even to eat in January 2001. I just could not stand the drunken, obnoxious bunch of worthless guys in there. They would sit and drink for up to 12 hours and talk about absolutely nothing. Of course, most of the did not even score any pussy. It would take effort and this is something they could not afford to expend.
The food in the place was good but the company sucked. No women would venture inside and the air was thick with cigarette smoke to the point where your eyes would hurt. There still are many chinese owned clubs around there where the women get totally nude. If you did not mind being the only westerner in the place with up to 200 filipinos (rough bunch), it was ok.
You can purchase anything over the internet and have it shipped to the Philippines. Cost a bit more but it will arrive. I have gotten into buying direct from the source via te internet. Hong Kong is very near and this is a shipping location for many companies. Buying over the internet tends to allow more time for review and lessens impulse buying.
With hong Kong so close a person can make occasional trips there and into So China for shopping. Shenzhen, Chia is a real source of good quality, low priced electronics. It would also be where you would want to stay while shopping to save on the rediculously high Hong Kong hotel rates.
If a guy is moving to the Philippines, I would consider finding some type of business to own and operate. When each day is just the same as the day before there is not much enjoyment. The internet has opened things up so that business opportunities can be found anywhere.
Dragon Slayer
There was a big ruckus in the building where I live in Makati last night,A girl friend of one of the American guys in the building tried to commit suicide,Basically the guy was throwing her out,So she tried to poison herself by eating a tube of toothpaste,When She didnt die,She started to slash her wrists,But stopped because of the pain,So she climbed on the balcony and threatened to jump.When she was asked why she was going to commit suicide,She said that she was being sent away at night and she had nowhere to SLEEP except the street.A guy then said,You can sleep on my sofa tonight until you can find a place tommorow.OK that was fine with her,She climbed off the ledge and Thats ended it,Great reason to commit suicide,The Filipina mind???????Thank goodness I am into logical pragmatic Chinese
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]There was a big ruckus in the building where I live in Makati last night,A girl friend of one of the American guys in the building tried to commit suicide,Basically the guy was throwing her out,So she tried to poison herself by eating a tube of toothpaste,When She didnt die,She started to slash her wrists,But stopped because of the pain,So she climbed on the balcony and threatened to jump.When she was asked why she was going to commit suicide,She said that she was being sent away at night and she had nowhere to SLEEP except the street.A guy then said,You can sleep on my sofa tonight until you can find a place tommorow.OK that was fine with her,She climbed off the ledge and Thats ended it,Great reason to commit suicide,The Filipina mind???????Thank goodness I am into logical pragmatic Chinese[/QUOTE]
Yes, some of them can get very emotional which is a terrible combination with desperation. We don't know the background of this girl (here) but perhaps she really did feel that she had nowhere to turn. Your post suggests it wasn't just a ploy to keep the bf, since slashing wrists is going way far into the desperation trip. A girl that thinks that she can poison herself with a tube of what she brushes her teeth with is liklely not likely a college grad, hence the desperation. I'm happy to hear it all worked out ok.
I do have to comment that the American dude could have picked a better time to show her the door than the middle of the night, like waiting a few hours until dawn. Then again, we don't know his reason.
Yes indeed there are a LOT of girls who have no place to sleep if they have no money for a flophouse and nothing left to pawn. Once their cellfone is already pawned (their last resort) where are they going to go if their family isn't near enough to get back to?
This reminds me of one occasion a few years ago. A sometimes-gf txts me if I'm home alone. I was and txt'd her back. She asked if she could come over and bring a "friend" that had no place to sleep. After having her assure me her friend would be no problem I said "ok", and they were at my condo (at the time) in 15 minutes. I slept in the middle. My good friend didn't mind at all when her friend wanted to show her gratitude for a place to sleep. I often miss having that condo!
Actually Another American in the building took her in,His Comments Looks 6-7 BBBJ 7-8,Bed Skills 7-8,GFE 9 Cost Sleeps on his sofa and food.He will allow her to stay up to a week until she finds a place to stay,In the meantime,She is doing his laundry and Fucking him and Blowing him as much as He wants,He told me last night,He was watching TV drinking a Beer while she blew him twice,Dang I should have offered to be a good samaritan.Being nice sometimes has its rewards
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]Actually Another American in the building took her in,His Comments Looks 6-7 BBBJ 7-8,Bed Skills 7-8,GFE 9 Cost Sleeps on his sofa and food.He will allow her to stay up to a week until she finds a place to stay,In the meantime,She is doing his laundry and Fucking him and Blowing him as much as He wants,He told me last night,He was watching TV drinking a Beer while she blew him twice,Dang I should have offered to be a good samaritan.Being nice sometimes has its rewards[/QUOTE]
Receive BJ's that is! :)
Guinness
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Yes, some of them can get very emotional which is a terrible combination with desperation. We don't know the background of this girl (here) but perhaps she really did feel that she had nowhere to turn. Your post suggests it wasn't just a ploy to keep the bf, since slashing wrists is going way far into the desperation trip. A girl that thinks that she can poison herself with a tube of what she brushes her teeth with is liklely not likely a college grad, hence the desperation. I'm happy to hear it all worked out ok.
I do have to comment that the American dude could have picked a better time to show her the door than the middle of the night, like waiting a few hours until dawn. Then again, we don't know his reason.
Yes indeed there are a LOT of girls who have no place to sleep if they have no money for a flophouse and nothing left to pawn. Once their cellfone is already pawned (their last resort) where are they going to go if their family isn't near enough to get back to?
This reminds me of one occasion a few years ago. A sometimes-gf txts me if I'm home alone. I was and txt'd her back. She asked if she could come over and bring a "friend" that had no place to sleep. After having her assure me her friend would be no problem I said "ok", and they were at my condo (at the time) in 15 minutes. I slept in the middle. My good friend didn't mind at all when her friend wanted to show her gratitude for a place to sleep. I often miss having that condo![/QUOTE]
This shows that anyone staying medium / long term should rent a nice condo and let the non-bar girls out there know that you have a nice place. In Phils. the bush telegraph is efficient. Play your cards perfectly, you can set up a harem. Girls save on rent, you get all for free! Be really nice and buy then Jollybee treats if they perform to standard. Otherwise, no Jollybee!
Just make sure your place is located somewhere like Makati or Malate and not in the the boonies.My place in Manila has several bedrooms,So I can have several houseguests at the same time.Guiness that incident happened just off Burgos,You cannot imagine the number of Burgos girls who would like to sleep somewhere nice.You can get them for board and food.
If you choose to ship goods to the PI, beware of customs. I shipped 1000 lbs last year (TV, computer and household items) and I paid $200 for import taxes.
What made me mad is that the shipper showed up at my house and I never got to talk to the customs official. Everything was used, and they never took that in to account.
When I shipped door to door, I never had to pay any taxes. My wife said that taxes are included in the price. (I don't know)
I got to keep the shipping containers and my wife got two of these made for 1000P, so there was something good out of it...lol
Robb
[QUOTE=Cebu Local] Guinness that incident happened just off Burgos,You cannot imagine the number of Burgos girls who would like to sleep somewhere nice.You can get them for board and food.[/QUOTE]
When you say "Burgos girls", are you talking about the Burgos bargirls or the freelancers hanging out on the streets? Both?
Maybe tonight, instead of buying ladies drinks and paying a barfine, I'll just ask the girl if she would like to become my sex slave for the night and in return I'll buy her breakfast at the North Park Cafe! :) It's worth a shot...
See you soon,
Guinness
guys here have asked about the differences between p.i. gals and american.the gals are about the same depending where they come from. the normal american gal likes nice things always showing the new things she got at the store or the new car she drives.the p.i. gals are just the same they will want everyone to see they have a foreign boyfrend which means she has a "cash cow" so to speek.the cell phone and what she has on for dress speaks louder than a blank check here.it's all smoke and mirrors and the only one that knows the truth is the little honeyko next to you.any gal that comes from nothing is bound to like a change in style if she has the money to change.
this means that if you get a wife from the hills in america that works hard,you give her a better life watch out.most not all will be nose in the air if you do not control the attitude and spending.same with the gals here, they come from a poor family and then see how fast they want to spend your jack.you can not make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.you must remember if the gal marries a guy from this country she will love him rich or poor.if the little jewel gets a foreign guy she will 'say" she loves you and will spend your money faster than shit through a goose.the reason is unknown?many gals here will live with a poor guy with nothing from this country,but the game starts with the foreigner.it's a double standard,they see us as security for the whole clan.these gals are taught that above all else security first, then love.the show starts when you go meet the family and then the frends.the other gals will be jealous of what she has found,foreign skinn.the poor guy that has nothing will never have to prove anything, but not true with us.
we will have to be the ones that set the town standard with the whole family.we are the ones that must give a better life to the "relathieves".this is a handed down tradition that all or most families go by here.they want there little princess that you rescued from the gutter to be taken care of in grand fashion also no scraps for mom,dad,sister,brouther,grand ma,ect.relathieves is a term brought to my attention and i think it's true to a point.
you must not be to rough to fast when bringing the curtain down on the family.the little jewel might just move you out first before getting in the way of easy street for the rest.in my opinion the family is made lazy if you give to much.they drink party and spend money like water.and when its gone they don't care they just wait for the next care package from overseas.heard it seen it many times, some guys have bought banka boats, jipneys,houses,and what ever else the relathieves want or think they need.and they will all want a sorry sorry store, even if ther is 8 more in a 2 block radious.even if you are the poorest guy in town in america you are a wealthy foreigner in the eyes of the "lbfm"s"
if you plan to get along with your futere mrs, get the money deal down to a science over there.i will asure you you will have a better transition with your new found love if the ground rules are already in place.
play safe, b.b...
[QUOTE=Guinness]When you say "Burgos girls", are you talking about the Burgos bargirls or the freelancers hanging out on the streets? Both?
Maybe tonight, instead of buying ladies drinks and paying a barfine, I'll just ask the girl if she would like to become my sex slave for the night and in return I'll buy her breakfast at the North Park Cafe! :) It's worth a shot...
See you soon,
Guinness[/QUOTE]I was referring to off duty bargirls and not on duty free lancers,Basically Both,I basically pick up in the 88 Internet Cafe during the morning and Afternoon,The 7-11 beside it at early morning and the Mini stop beside Matrix,But remember its timing,I picked up a Burgos girl yesterday at 5 Am at 7-11,Rather then go home to Paranaque,She took my offer of crashing at my place,Breakfast at Tapa King and quick romp before heading off for the day.Remember She was tired and facing a 150 peso cab ride and a 45 minute ride home to a cramped room.I invited her to have breakfast,then asked her If she was sleepy,which she was,So I let her sleep in a spare bedroom I reserve for "company"aka nothing to steal inside,then did her before she left.During the day invite them for a meal say at Pizza Hut,then ask them If they want to take a siesta in your place....Happy Hunting
i returned back from the p.i. 8 weeks ago and have bought tickets for round 2 in july for a shorter time 2-3 months.the events that have happened are this.i found a girl that was married to an american and lived on the west coast for 11 years with him.he was much older than her,over 30 years.he married her in her 20.s and she was divorced 9 months ago and returned to the pi with him in december.she has money in the bank owns a house in a busy beach area, 3 million p worth of house not bad for a poor provence gal.
i met her with her ex in january and stayed with her until we came back to the states in the last week of april.after getting here i found that things were not the same and how i felt about her was not the same as it was there.she was like a child,she needed constant care and i knew this would happen and was not shore how much.after a week of being home i had the pressure back on me, the business, the bills, the regular american presure so to speek of life in general.thats ok but the new added baggage was not figured into the works on my part.i was trying to get up to speed after being gone 6 months and was constantly thinking if she was happy.this was driving me crazy! i work from home but would feel guilty if i had to go out.of course she went with me and we had fun but she was like a fish outof water so to speek.out ages are only 7 years apart and she is drop dead beautiful.she never had a child and is in her mid thirty's is a good cook and great person but the feelings are different upon returning back home.
we both decided that she should fly over to where she spent the past 11 years when she was married. she went to san diego and spent 4 weeks there.she came back 2 weeks ago and i now now she is not gonna make any wedding plans here.i am the one that does not want what i at one time wished for.you go there and fall in love 5-6 times a day and find a woman that has her own money and house, but the culture difference is still there.
the deal is over she left friday and yes we will always be friends but thats all,and my input on life there was seen through her eyes also.and i have expressed it to you guys here, but i also had some great schooling there also.like the you can take the girl from the bar but not the bar from the girl line.this person never worked in a bar and never wants to live in her own country again rich or poor.
be careful what you wish for,it's not easy and you will have guilt and many other feelings about the gal if you have to let her stay alone at all.i wanted a better life for her and still do but the investment of time it takes to see them through the new transition is huge.you might say why was it new to her? she has ben here before, not on this coast and was sheltered by an old man that was i am sure worried about her finding a new guy.think long and hard before you get the ring out and get down on one knee.the differences are huge and you must remember you had time there but when you get back home the playing field is different.
b.b.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]I was referring to off duty bargirls and not on duty free lancers,Basically Both,I basically pick up in the 88 Internet Cafe during the morning and Afternoon,The 7-11 beside it at early morning and the Mini stop beside Matrix,But remember its timing,I picked up a Burgos girl yesterday at 5 Am at 7-11,Rather then go home to Paranaque,She took my offer of crashing at my place,Breakfast at Tapa King and quick romp before heading off for the day.Remember She was tired and facing a 150 peso cab ride and a 45 minute ride home to a cramped room.I invited her to have breakfast,then asked her If she was sleepy,which she was,So I let her sleep in a spare bedroom I reserve for "company"aka nothing to steal inside,then did her before she left.During the day invite them for a meal say at Pizza Hut,then ask them If they want to take a siesta in your place....Happy Hunting[/QUOTE]
Precisely Right On. Cebu Local told you the facts, exactly as I know them to be true by experience and it doesn't matter if if's Makati, Malate, or anywhere girls go looking for a "better life" or just life until they wake up safe somewhere. Nothing more to add in context. Pay attention!
[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]I YOU CAN TAKE THE GIRL FROM THE BAR BUT NOT THE BAR FROM THE GIRL line.This person never worked in a bar and never wants to live in her own country again rich or poor.
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Yes, snipped out of context, but still VERY TRUE. Until you've been intimate with a Pinay (and I *don't* mean sex, which one must understand is just a normal part of life to most Pinays), you can't begin to understand how Pinays think and feel. Even after many years it will surface. It's seemingly culturally ingrained and even if you can smooth the rough edges and provide that "better life", they think the grass is always greener on the other side, unless forced to cut that green grass on their own for a lifetime and their kids lifetime. Maybe not even then, and it doesn't matter to most of us what 2 or 3 generations down the road might feel.
Right now I know more Pinays in process (or so they hope) to go abroad than might want to make a life at home, and some of them I know very intmately (see above).
After calling and talking to my GF on the phone who is in the province she still wants to leave.I had a straight up conversation with her about the high cost of living in my country.And told her that I would not send thousands of peso's to her family because we needed it to have a good comfortable life here.She said it was ok with her if we send a small amount to help the "relathieves".Thats the problem everyone of us will face when we are serious about getting a gal to your country.Remember they have know way of knowing what things cost because they have never left the P.I. for mor than a vacation in another asian country.Those are the lucky one's.
B.B.
For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.
Keep in mind this site is simply one persons opinion and the focus is on taking a lady to the USA but some good words of wisdom for you.
[url]http://filipinawives.com/TransitioningFilipina.htm[/url]
ES
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.
Keep in mind this site is simply one persons opinion and the focus is on taking a lady to the USA but some good words of wisdom for you.
[url]http://filipinawives.com/TransitioningFilipina.htm[/url]
ES[/QUOTE]I think that the info atthis link is good general advise.I have a frend thats arrived back in the states with his new wife.He told me via a telephone call that his wife finds the people here to be friendly,and the men more respectful twords here than in her country.'Because people know they have to act like human people in there own country not Assholes like some do in the P.I.".
B.B.
What do the girls expect for wedding rings? I do not want to spend thousands on a ring again. Would they like a traditional type ring set but with a lesser stone than a diamond or maybe even a synthetic diamond? What did some of you guys do?
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]For those of you considering taking a Filipina bride I would suggest you go to this site and read. At the bottom of the page are many links to other enlightening sites.ES[/QUOTE]
Thanks Eaglestar,
Just returned from a wife hunting trip and that site will prove to be invaluable no doubt.
Excelsior!
you can first barter,talk down the prices in most any store there.go to china town in manila and get some ideas there but do not pay the price they want i hammer them down on every trip.
you can get a traditional band there for 2-4 thousand p.you can spend as much as you want.you can save the big stuff for your own country when and if you bring her.the gold thing is a dog show so to speek.you can dress her in gold and jewels and also be simple and elegant.any gal i ever met there would like to be like mr.t if she could hold the stuff up.
play safe. b.b...
I speak Tagalog and Cebuano and have lived in the PI for the last 14 years.But I will never marry a Filipina.Not because they are not sweet or loving,But they have no concept of Savings or long term planning.Long term planning is what party to go to on Saturday??Savings???An alien concept to most of them.Girl friend or Mistress matieral defenitely,Wife matieral Pass.If you guys could only hear them talking Girls talk and understand Tagalog,Most of you would cringe.Most favorite topic Milking the old goat for cash.
[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]After calling and talking to my GF on the phone who is in the province she still wants to leave.I had a straight up conversation with her about the high cost of living in my country.And told her that I would not send thousands of peso's to her family because we needed it to have a good comfortable life here.She said it was ok with her if we send a small amount to help the "relathieves".Thats the problem everyone of us will face when we are serious about getting a gal to your country.Remember they have know way of knowing what things cost because they have never left the P.I. for mor than a vacation in another asian country.Those are the lucky one's.
B.B.[/QUOTE]
If she's willing and content to live and grow old with you in the Philippines (and yes that means with you providing for her family *here*), then you *may* have a winner. If her only desire is to use you to get to the "west", well, what would that tell you?
[QUOTE=J Boy]What do the girls expect for wedding rings? I do not want to spend thousands on a ring again. Would they like a traditional type ring set but with a lesser stone than a diamond or maybe even a synthetic diamond? What did some of you guys do?[/QUOTE]
Probably in exess of 95% would be much happier with a huge wad of money or an fancy expensive new cellfone, unless your wedding ring comes with an Immigration visa to a western country.
The other (likely realistically less than 5%) will be happy with a twist-tie on their ring-finger as long as you really love them *AND* can somehow manage to keep them in love with YOU for a lifetime. Yes Pinays fall in love easily, but just easily they can and mostly *will* fall "out-of-love", especially if your money dries up or you don't keep them ecstatically happy, which in both cases isn't all that easy once you're well into a relationship.
Someday I'll buy aking asawa a real wedding ring. For now investing in our next new business seems to be a LOT more important to her. Then again, I have that small fraction of less than 1% that often thinks beyond how to spend money on tommorrow's family party (though she wants to do that too if we can afford it).
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]I speak Tagalog and Cebuano and have lived in the PI for the last 14 years.But I will never marry a Filipina.Not because they are not sweet or loving,But they have no concept of Savings or long term planning.Long term planning is what party to go to on Saturday??Savings???An alien concept to most of them.Girl friend or Mistress matieral defenitely,Wife matieral Pass.If you guys could only hear them talking Girls talk and understand Tagalog,Most of you would cringe.Most favorite topic Milking the old goat for cash.[/QUOTE]
There are a very few who (mostly) think beyond "bukas na lang", and even they are human as we all are and want the occasional "blow-out" just to relieve daily stress from working hard towards the future. I'm sure someday you'll be lucky to find one of those very few. unless of course you're as content as you seem to be as things are for you - with good reaason. Of course if you can't avoid the "right one" then you'll have the same tough time getting out to have fun that I do. :-)
[QUOTE=CanContrib]There are a very few who (mostly) think beyond "bukas na lang", and even they are human as we all are and want the occasional "blow-out" just to relieve daily stress from working hard towards the future. I'm sure someday you'll be lucky to find one of those very few. unless of course you're as content as you seem to be as things are for you - with good reaason. Of course if you can't avoid the "right one" then you'll have the same tough time getting out to have fun that I do. :-)[/QUOTE]If you look in the China boards,Especially the Shanghai section,You will find out I have gone with a Chinese and they are planning a Bachelor party later this year.She s a Shanghainese Chinese who is a manager in a large business.She lived 5 years in Canada studying at the University of British Columbia and the Dad is a Middle level Party Official.Age is 28 and I am 38.So as you can see there are points of compatibility and being Chinese She saves and is very business minded even though Filipinas are more fun.But each guy to his own tastes.I wanted somebody I could trust to help run my business and somehow letting a Filipina help run a fairly medium sized business kinda is like letting a 5 year old drive
[QUOTE=Cebu Local] ... So as you can see there are points of compatibility and being Chinese She saves and is very business minded even though Filipinas are more fun.But each guy to his own tastes.I wanted somebody I could trust to help run my business and somehow letting a Filipina help run a fairly medium sized business kinda is like letting a 5 year old drive[/QUOTE]
Again, that all depends on your Pinay. She and I don't always agree but while she likes to plan for a party as much as anyone, she's as likely to defer the expense towards instead enhancing our business needs, usually suggesting that we don't spend on food and drink so that we can instead invest those dollars and pesos for our future instead of just burning then over the weekend.
Yes, Chinese have a reputation of being "koriput". So do I, but I temper that with proper local "correctness" which so far seems to be appropriate.
Females everywhere I've ever been long enough to be intimate have this burning desire to use the same finite set of money multiple times, though the bank has a problem with that. That's not a Pinay situation, that's a *FEMALE* thing. Of course, it's a no-win situation, if we don't invest in the party *and* don't invest in the biz at the same time, I lose. She admits math isn't her strong point, which combined with FEMALE anywhere emotionalism does cause some friction though still certainly better than with any NorthAmerican female. At least aking Pinay asawa sees both sides and has the capacity and ingrained motivation to to be rational when it really counts. She's the one who built our businesses here for us, not me, and her management capacity for such isn't discountable. She knows what she's doing here and I know to trust to that. I just help and quietly advise and do my part to make it all work for us.
My greatest problem is in trying to get a few hours "out" given her obsession with her "responsibility" to protect her greatest asset, her foreigner asawa. Yeah, she doesn't really need me, she was doing quite fine before she met me. But life *could* otherwise be worse than it is now. Ok so we *do* make a good team, foreigner & Pinay, but I really do need to get out more for fun there's no time for anymore at home.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Again, that all depends on your Pinay. She and I don't always agree but while she likes to plan for a party as much as anyone, she's as likely to defer the expense towards instead enhancing our business needs, usually suggesting that we don't spend on food and drink so that we can instead invest those dollars and pesos for our future instead of just burning then over the weekend.
Yes, Chinese have a reputation of being "koriput". So do I, but I temper that with proper local "correctness" which so far seems to be appropriate.
Females everywhere I've ever been long enough to be intimate have this burning desire to use the same finite set of money multiple times, though the bank has a problem with that. That's not a Pinay situation, that's a *FEMALE* thing. Of course, it's a no-win situation, if we don't invest in the party *and* don't invest in the biz at the same time, I lose. She admits math isn't her strong point, which combined with FEMALE anywhere emotionalism does cause some friction though still certainly better than with any NorthAmerican female. At least aking Pinay asawa sees both sides and has the capacity and ingrained motivation to to be rational when it really counts. She's the one who built our businesses here for us, not me, and her management capacity for such isn't discountable. She knows what she's doing here and I know to trust to that. I just help and quietly advise and do my part to make it all work for us.
My greatest problem is in trying to get a few hours "out" given her obsession with her "responsibility" to protect her greatest asset, her foreigner asawa. Yeah, she doesn't really need me, she was doing quite fine before she met me. But life *could* otherwise be worse than it is now. Ok so we *do* make a good team, foreigner & Pinay, but I really do need to get out more for fun there's no time for anymore at home.[/QUOTE]
Have to agree with Cebu Local et al who state that chinese are the best when it comes to business, I kinda have to say this as my filipina is 3/4 chinese but they have a head for business like nothing else, Yes they are Koriput in many ways, however, they know how to get the best bargain and they will. As far as doing business with the Chinese, I'd take them any day over a Filipino, no offense to the pinoy, but if you do business with a Chinese expect a HARD bargain ...BUT he/she will keep the bargain once made as a matter of face. Have her run the business, you'll be in the money in no time, just be prepared to put uop with a lot of superstitious nonsense like feng shui and making sure your entrance faces east or whatever.
Hello,
Does anyone else find it hard to chat to filipinas?
Even when she initiates contact it soon feels like I am doing an interview. I ask questions and she will reply with just yes, no, lol or a smiley. After I run out of the standard questions I hit a wall. I try to introduce all sorts of topics, but they never seem to pick up on them. Language has never seemed to be a problem, they seem to have good english skills. Sometimes the Aussie sense of humour doesnt go down to well, but too late to change that.
Anyway is it just me or what?
Steve
This is the general thing I also ran into most of the time they say yes and no at times when it should be the oposit one.I think it's best to ask them if they understand what you said if they give you a yes when the should be saying no.
B.B...
I chatted a few times to them. I sort of descovered when they give short answers, they are more likely chating to many other guys besides me. For example I use Mirc to chat. And I can click on a girls name and see that most of the time she is in 6 or 7 chat rooms and god knows how many privet chats.
So I see what you are saying, but I think more than likely, she is chatting to so many other guys at the same time, she does not have time to give you long answers cause she has to respond to the other guys.
Most have little cash to pay for the pc and will chat with many partners at a time more bang for the buck...VG was right...
Hello,
Yeah the multipule chat thing. I think you get a feel for when thats going on. They usually take ages to come back with the short answer. Even when they are on webcam and I am pretty sure that they are only chatting to me or possibly just a couple of guys, I still get this lack of interest feeling. If they're not interested thats cool, but why continue to contact me?
There is one gal who has had me on her list for like 18 months. She is very attractive so I would think that she has interest from plenty of guys. She will drop in every now an then ask to see my cam or chit chat about the weather then basically go to the yes, no, oic, lol routine.
I thought that it might be a social cultural thing. You know the old "the man should take the lead" type thing.
Steve
What get's them focused is when you give a date as to when you will be meeting them. Then if they get excited and seem eager you know you have a shot for good times. Some you can touch more easily then others before you meet them, others require in the flesh to warm them to you. And some are just a complete waste of time. It's a crap shoot but the more you play the better you get at it.
In addition, you can if you have at least 1 week in PI, meet girls at the chat cafes in whatever city your in. This is very immediate and the girls like the fact that your there and can meet them soon. I always use Mirc in the city I am in -- mainly Cebu and Dumaguete. So don't let the multiple chatters discourage you....these girls are taking a shotgun approach when your far but when your on their turf there going to focus on you -- at least while your banging them. These girls love to fuck so don't listen to any goody two shoes stories from them.
Poppyseed, Visions guy, and others,
Some really interesting points. You guys don't have many posts, but you obviously have a lot of potential.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'll add more to this at the thread "internte escorts". As for "internet escorts", I recently sent this post to ISG mgmt.
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In the Philippines section, could we please rename "internet escorts" to something else. For a lot of people, "escort" means calling up an escort service, but what was intended was a thread for those of us trying to pick up women through "online pen pal sites".
Some suggested titles
Online pen pal sites
Internet gals
Internet women
Online seduction
pen pals and chat rooms
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Have to agree with Cebu Local et al who state that chinese are the best when it comes to business, I kinda have to say this as my filipina is 3/4 chinese but they have a head for business like nothing else, Yes they are Koriput in many ways, however, they know how to get the best bargain and they will. As far as doing business with the Chinese, I'd take them any day over a Filipino, no offense to the pinoy, but if you do business with a Chinese expect a HARD bargain ...BUT he/she will keep the bargain once made as a matter of face. Have her run the business, you'll be in the money in no time, just be prepared to put uop with a lot of superstitious nonsense like feng shui and making sure your entrance faces east or whatever.[/QUOTE]
Aking asawa Pinoy does very very well bargaining with Chinese in Quiapo and Divisoria. She was good before we met, having learned a lot during her years spent working in China, and she's picked up a bit from me since. Then again, she's not the "average Pinay" and she has absolutely no Chinese blood in her,. If I wasn't aware of such rare exceptions I'd tend to agree with your and Cebu's comments, but there *are* exceptions.
[QUOTE=CanContrib]Aking asawa Pinoy does very very well bargaining with Chinese in Quiapo and Divisoria. She was good before we met, having learned a lot during her years spent working in China, and she's picked up a bit from me since. Then again, she's not the "average Pinay" and she has absolutely no Chinese blood in her,. If I wasn't aware of such rare exceptions I'd tend to agree with your and Cebu's comments, but there *are* exceptions.[/QUOTE]
Your Asawa is probably a sharp as a tack when it comes to getting bargain's kind of lady. I noticed that most Filipina are VERY good at stretching a peso, they have to learn how to bargain given their limited income, its something I think they learn very early. Give a filipina P100 and send her to the market and she'll come back with enough food or whatever to feed a family for two days. Send an Idiot like myself there and I come back with a couple of pieces of rotten fruit.
However, my comments were more intended for the BIG business end of things like negotiating contracts etc between companies. Chinese are the movers and shakers, they also control the money, into money lending etc and the "underground" banking/loan system that permeates this society. Beleive me without it very little would get done big business wise.
Spamhog
I wrote earlier (in KL 2006 thread) about going to Beach Club to find young love on Tuesday, from the perspective of logistics. The Filipina I met is the subject of this article.
Steve is 50+, white, chubby, balding, neither ugly nor God's gift to women. With a lifetime of loving women, he cannot stop this habit with some of the ladies he hires.
I was looking around Beach Club in KL (where there are a lot of Filipinas and occasionally others) as I redeemed my drink ticket for a beer. A loud-ish band and an abundance of ladies ranging 4-7. Few customers in sight.
From behind me I heard a shy "hello!" and turned to be greeted with a hesitant smile. With my beer in hand, we began chatting. She is a 25yo slim Filipina, smallish but nice breasts, body that appeals to me, petite, face that looks nice when she smiles, a 6 overall. Not very Chinese-looking compared to many Filipinas, plenty of Spanish looks, and a good dash of the Malay/Indo or perhaps Indian stock (guessing). But there's something about Maria (not really her name). Not beautiful, but she appeals to me; it is personality and chemistry. She wants a beer and I oblige. Too loud, we go out to the courtyard to get to know each other a bit verbally.
She seems to like me. At some point she blurts out that I am her first... she can't think of the word or doesn't want to say it. Her first paying customer. If I believe her story, she literally arrived yesterday, and started at the bar tonight, and I'm the first one to talk to her. She said she never did this work in Manila... and only one boyfriend in her life.
And I really like her. I am looking at her a lot and smiling, and she asks why, she is not used to this attention.
They all have a story, of course. I'm jaded enough to know that, but naive enough to believe that the story is often true. She came to KL, being promised a job as a sales girl in a shop. She wants to help support her struggling family, and she just broke things off with her BF of five years, but does not want to talk about him. I learn later that he was 44, married, and he did something that trampled their relationship. He was her one and only lover.
Now she's more than ready to start a new life, and this opportunity arises. She jumps, without really studying the terms or understanding the implications. They pay for her airfare, initial lodging, pocket cash, SIMM, probably other basic requirements, in exchange for RM7000 to be repaid. On arrival, it turns out instead that she needs to work as bar girl for a little while, and then they will help her find the shop job. Right.
Things are working out, I pop the question and negotiation begins. Amazingly, she has no idea how much she costs, but fortunately her Overseer, an 30-ish Filipina, conveniently appears at just the moment that money needs to be discussed. 200RM for one hour, 500RM for one night, firm. My usual counter is to offer less (like RM150), and offer a suitable tip (like the rest) if she pleases me with the service. But since I'm negotiating with Overseer, not my lady, it's hard, and I decide to spring for the one hour, and work out a longer stay with my lady somehow if the first hour works.
During this conversation I learn that these ladies typically have a 30-day visa, and at the end they spend 8 hours each way on the bus to the Thai border. Overseer just got back from such a trip herself. No doubt Overseer has been through a similar story herself, some months ago, and now finds herself working for The Man or whoever is behind this scheme.
In the taxi, I catch a shudder. What's up? Nervous, she says. Scared, I see. Almost ready to cry. Good Catholic girl, sacrificing her values in a way that she is not comfortable with but feels stuck with no way out. I'm feeling compassionate, because this is very real, or else she's a fine actress. I tell her I'm a nice guy and will treat her well, but if she has changed her mind I will pay her taxi back to the club. No, she is comfortable with me, if not the situation, so we go to my room.
It hits me how clueless she is. She does not know the value of 1RM in terms of PHP, and she does not know her price on the open market. I explain the latter to her; how odd to be explaining the system to a WG, instead of the other way around. I open a currency exchange calculator on the Web to teach her about the value of money. So how much is RM 7000 then, she asks, and her eyes well up when she sees it is over 100k PHP; finally she gets it. Perhaps she had assumed that RM and PHP were nearly equal. I tell her she will have to see many men to pay off her debt, and tell her I'm sorry, but I think she's been taken advantage of by dishonest people. She realizes it will be a long time before there is money to send home.
Meanwhile Steve is still seriously horny, while dealing with his own feelings about this emotional display and her situation. I have been supportive, and held her when she was upset, and now she's ready to move on.
Somehow the subject of condoms comes up. She not only doesn't have any (I do), but has never used one or seeon one before, and she was going to f*ck me without one, the only way she has ever done it. I'm shocked. I'm not about to do it without one, for my sake as well as hers, and I teach her how to put one on me. Doesn't she care about pregnancy, disease, AIDS? The rhythm method answers the first, and her boyfriend convincing her that he is too old to make her pregnant. That's rich! The other two are similarly buried in ignorance or denial. I explain the risks, and urge her to get equipped and protect herself. I know, some of you, dear readers, are rolling your eyes or cursing me.
Is it possible that Steve has found a lady who is even more Naive than he himself? It sure looks that way, but Steve knows he is Naive, so he still has doubts. The feelings are all so real, though, that's what really hit me about this.
So it's to the showers. You first, she says, but then agrees to bathe together (which I enjoy a lot, and of course it is easier to avoid theft).
Some kissing and cuddling before the shower, sincere - I love it. As she removes her underwear, "Oh no," she says, "cannot make love!" It seems she has her period, asks what is the date? Two days early, I guess she expects her body to run like a German train schedule. I can't believe this new turn of events. Now what? Could she really not know? I have never had a WG have her period, so somehow they seem to know when not to work.
We towel off, I'm wondering where this goes next. Can you use mouth/hands? Yes. So to the bed. She is willing but not very skilled. Less practiced with "manual stick" than "automatic transmission," and the vehicle lurches a bit. Driver's Ed is called for.
It is only her first day of the period, and I don't find blood on my fingers, so I ask if we can do it anyway. She agrees. Enthusiastic partner, eager to please, frisky and frenzied. Totally GFE in all the good and the bad ways, I think, a bit more than I might have hoped for. A few streaks on the cautionary towel prove she was not lying about having the period, but of course she could have known all along.
Now I'm satisified, and it's been two hours since she arrived. I offer her the alternative of staying with me rather than going to her boarding house, which she hopes to find using an address on a tiny scrap of damp paper. She wants to stay until 3AM, because Overseer has SMSed her and wants her home by then, but she wants to be cuddled for awhile. I put her payment in her purse, making sure she sees the four bills, she nods and smiles a little ruefully.
I'm wondering: what happens at 3AM? All of this is so unbelievable, and I have not ruled out a con. Will there be a muscle man waiting to abduct me as I let her out the door? Did she notice the room number, I try to recall? I think of various solutions to my dilemma, but we both cruise off to sleep. She is really sweet to hold, and holds me like a true love; she sure knows how to cuddle. Steve thinks sometimes he is looking for love in all the wrong places, but his needs are for more than for what's between his legs, which has always been a problem for him in this game, but then some effective solutions have been found, too.
What happens at 3AM is this: nothing, as we're both still asleep. She stirs at about 3:30AM, says she must go. As she's getting ready to go, I check and confirm that my money, wallet, passport, computer, etc are all untouched. I offer her a tip for taxi, condoms, etc and she looks at me with surprise: but you already paid me! She's wising up, though, and hides the tip in her bra so that Overseer does not find it. She finally understands that they are not going to look after her best interests, so she'll have to start doing that for herself.
I examine the hallway, nothing. She wants me to escort her out to the taxi, no problem, I dress. She asks me to call before I leave town, I agree. And after a farewell like new lovers, the taxi takes her away. Sigh.
All in all she pulled on my heartstrings more effectively than she pulled on the other parts. I know that is a dangerous thing in this game. I still marvel that she could be so naive herself, challenging my own supremecy at naivete. Some of you are still rolling your eyes or rolling on the floor in hysterics (but think about the enymology of "hysterics"), and that's fine.
Some day maybe Steve Naive will be more jaded and will change his name, but not today. Steve feels touched by this naive spirit.
Do you believe her story? Is it yet another set of lies? If so, it was the con without a sting, as she never asked for or took more than we agreed on. It sure seemed real to me. Then again, Filipinas are clever, and I have been chumped before. Your opinions are solicited - PM and I will summarize, or reply here, as you choose.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive]I wrote earlier (in KL 2006 thread) about going to Beach Club to find young love on Tuesday, from the perspective of logistics. The Filipina I met is the subject of this article.
Steve is 53, white, chubby, balding, neither ugly nor God's gift to women. With a lifetime of loving women, he cannot stop this habit with some of the ladies he hires.
I was looking around Beach Club in KL (where there are a lot of Filipinas and occasionally others) as I redeemed my drink ticket for a beer. A loud-ish band and an abundance of ladies ranging 4-7. Few customers in sight.
From behind me I heard a shy "hello!" and turned to be greeted with a hesitant smile. With my beer in hand, we began chatting. She is a 25yo slim Filipina, smallish but nice breasts, body that appeals to me, petite, face that looks nice when she smiles, a 6 overall. Not very Chinese-looking compared to many Filipinas, plenty of Spanish looks, and a good dash of the Malay/Indo or perhaps Indian stock (guessing). But there's something about Maria (not really her name). Not beautiful, but she appeals to me; it is personality and chemistry. She wants a beer and I oblige. Too loud, we go out to the courtyard to get to know each other a bit verbally.
She seems to like me. At some point she blurts out that I am her first... she can't think of the word or doesn't want to say it. Her first paying customer. If I believe her story, she literally arrived yesterday, and started at the bar tonight, and I'm the first one to talk to her. She said she never did this work in Manila... and only one boyfriend in her life.
And I really like her. I am looking at her a lot and smiling, and she asks why, she is not used to this attention.
They all have a story, of course. I'm jaded enough to know that, but naive enough to believe that the story is often true. She came to KL, being promised a job as a sales girl in a shop. She wants to help support her struggling family, and she just broke things off with her BF of five years, but does not want to talk about him. I learn later that he was 44, married, and he did something that trampled their relationship. He was her one and only lover.
Now she's more than ready to start a new life, and this opportunity arises. She jumps, without really studying the terms or understanding the implications. They pay for her airfare, initial lodging, pocket cash, SIMM, probably other basic requirements, in exchange for RM7000 to be repaid. On arrival, it turns out instead that she needs to work as bar girl for a little while, and then they will help her find the shop job. Right.
Things are working out, I pop the question and negotiation begins. Amazingly, she has no idea how much she costs, but fortunately her Overseer, an 30-ish Filipina, conveniently appears at just the moment that money needs to be discussed. 200RM for one hour, 500RM for one night, firm. My usual counter is to offer less (like RM150), and offer a suitable tip (like the rest) if she pleases me with the service. But since I'm negotiating with Overseer, not my lady, it's hard, and I decide to spring for the one hour, and work out a longer stay with my lady somehow if the first hour works.
During this conversation I learn that these ladies typically have a 30-day visa, and at the end they spend 8 hours each way on the bus to the Thai border. Overseer just got back from such a trip herself. No doubt Overseer has been through a similar story herself, some months ago, and now finds herself working for The Man or whoever is behind this scheme.
In the taxi, I catch a shudder. What's up? Nervous, she says. Scared, I see. Almost ready to cry. Good Catholic girl, sacrificing her values in a way that she is not comfortable with but feels stuck with no way out. I'm feeling compassionate, because this is very real, or else she's a fine actress. I tell her I'm a nice guy and will treat her well, but if she has changed her mind I will pay her taxi back to the club. No, she is comfortable with me, if not the situation, so we go to my room.
It hits me how clueless she is. She does not know the value of 1RM in terms of PHP, and she does not know her price on the open market. I explain the latter to her; how odd to be explaining the system to a WG, instead of the other way around. I open a currency exchange calculator on the Web to teach her about the value of money. So how much is RM 7000 then, she asks, and her eyes well up when she sees it is over 100k PHP; finally she gets it. Perhaps she had assumed that RM and PHP were nearly equal. I tell her she will have to see many men to pay off her debt, and tell her I'm sorry, but I think she's been taken advantage of by dishonest people. She realizes it will be a long time before there is money to send home.
Meanwhile Steve is still seriously horny, while dealing with his own feelings about this emotional display and her situation. I have been supportive, and held her when she was upset, and now she's ready to move on.
Somehow the subject of condoms comes up. She not only doesn't have any (I do), but has never used one or seeon one before, and she was going to f*ck me without one, the only way she has ever done it. I'm shocked. I'm not about to do it without one, for my sake as well as hers, and I teach her how to put one on me. Doesn't she care about pregnancy, disease, AIDS? The rhythm method answers the first, and her boyfriend convincing her that he is too old to make her pregnant. That's rich! The other two are similarly buried in ignorance or denial. I explain the risks, and urge her to get equipped and protect herself. I know, some of you, dear readers, are rolling your eyes or cursing me.
Is it possible that Steve has found a lady who is even more Naive than he himself? It sure looks that way, but Steve knows he is Naive, so he still has doubts. The feelings are all so real, though, that's what really hit me about this.
So it's to the showers. You first, she says, but then agrees to bathe together (which I enjoy a lot, and of course it is easier to avoid theft).
Some kissing and cuddling before the shower, sincere - I love it. As she removes her underwear, "Oh no," she says, "cannot make love!" It seems she has her period, asks what is the date? Two days early, I guess she expects her body to run like a German train schedule. I can't believe this new turn of events. Now what? Could she really not know? I have never had a WG have her period, so somehow they seem to know when not to work.
We towel off, I'm wondering where this goes next. Can you use mouth/hands? Yes. So to the bed. She is willing but not very skilled. Less practiced with "manual stick" than "automatic transmission," and the vehicle lurches a bit. Driver's Ed is called for.
It is only her first day of the period, and I don't find blood on my fingers, so I ask if we can do it anyway. She agrees. Enthusiastic partner, eager to please, frisky and frenzied. Totally GFE in all the good and the bad ways, I think, a bit more than I might have hoped for. A few streaks on the cautionary towel prove she was not lying about having the period, but of course she could have known all along.
Now I'm satisified, and it's been two hours since she arrived. I offer her the alternative of staying with me rather than going to her boarding house, which she hopes to find using an address on a tiny scrap of damp paper. She wants to stay until 3AM, because Overseer has SMSed her and wants her home by then, but she wants to be cuddled for awhile. I put her payment in her purse, making sure she sees the four bills, she nods and smiles a little ruefully.
I'm wondering: what happens at 3AM? All of this is so unbelievable, and I have not ruled out a con. Will there be a muscle man waiting to abduct me as I let her out the door? Did she notice the room number, I try to recall? I think of various solutions to my dilemma, but we both cruise off to sleep. She is really sweet to hold, and holds me like a true love; she sure knows how to cuddle. Steve thinks sometimes he is looking for love in all the wrong places, but his needs are for more than for what's between his legs, which has always been a problem for him in this game, but then some effective solutions have been found, too.
What happens at 3AM is this: nothing, as we're both still asleep. She stirs at about 3:30AM, says she must go. As she's getting ready to go, I check and confirm that my money, wallet, passport, computer, etc are all untouched. I offer her a tip for taxi, condoms, etc and she looks at me with surprise: but you already paid me! She's wising up, though, and hides the tip in her bra so that Overseer does not find it. She finally understands that they are not going to look after her best interests, so she'll have to start doing that for herself.
I examine the hallway, nothing. She wants me to escort her out to the taxi, no problem, I dress. She asks me to call before I leave town, I agree. And after a farewell like new lovers, the taxi takes her away. Sigh.
All in all she pulled on my heartstrings more effectively than she pulled on the other parts. I know that is a dangerous thing in this game. I still marvel that she could be so naive herself, challenging my own supremecy at naivete. Some of you are still rolling your eyes or rolling on the floor in hysterics (but think about the enymology of "hysterics"), and that's fine.
Some day maybe Steve Naive will be more jaded and will change his name, but not today. Steve feels touched by this naive spirit.
Do you believe her story? Is it yet another set of lies? If so, it was the con without a sting, as she never asked for or took more than we agreed on. It sure seemed real to me. Then again, Filipinas are clever, and I have been chumped before. Your opinions are solicited - PM and I will summarize, or reply here, as you choose.[/QUOTE]This is a good story and "yes" is the answer. good honest girls from all over get the bula bula.They get told about all kinds of jobs and beg,borrow the money to get to the place and the job is working in the bar for a barfine.It's a shame they fall for this trick for money to send home.Not like the "crack" and "H" addicts we have here getting the green for a fix...
Nice report, B.B...
There are a lot of reports in the Philippine Media about Philippine girls being conned into going to Malaysia as Shopping center Sales girls,waitresses etc,But again there are those going voluntarily.I have been to the Beach Club and as a Filipino speaking individual,I have been able to chat with these girls and would say that a large percentage maybe 40% are conned into going to Malaysia.Just my 2 centavos opinion Btw On last months edition of the Philippine Cosmopolitan,There was an article about a woman who was conned into going to Malaysia,ended up working as a Hooker and met a guy and TRUELLY FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM,They currently are living together in Singapore.
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]There are a lot of reports in the There was an article about a woman who was conned into going to Malaysia,ended up working as a Hooker and met a guy and TRUELLY FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM,They currently are living together in Singapore.[/QUOTE] If I were local to KL, I could easily imagine repeat visits leading to falling in love for real. This was a powerful experience for me, and she is a precious soul, not yet a hardened bargirl. By the way she treated me I sense that it could be mutual... she found a friend in a difficult place.
OTOH I would not want her managing my household finances... at least not until I trained her to understand the value of money.
Steve,
The possibilities could be very true in what you have experience in Beach Club. I am always tempted to go to these places and have some GFe effect before deciding on a long night with someone in a room.
But is way too "comfortable" to be seen in public with a girlie in a club especially if you are a local. Too many familiar faces around.
Me and friend usually go to HC's or Mp's in KL where we experience less GFE which we are not very happy about but some level of service is expected and mostly not having the introductions in public.
We do go to the pubs in thailand, indonesia and have visits the pubs and have all the GFE we want and experience some excitement with a girlie from a pub we pick up.(just like what you did in KL)
Nevertheless I have read your FR KL thread and appreciate your contribution and do PM me when you are here the next time. Probably we can catch up.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive]If I were local to KL, I could easily imagine repeat visits leading to falling in love for real. This was a powerful experience for me, and she is a precious soul, not yet a hardened bargirl. By the way she treated me I sense that it could be mutual... she found a friend in a difficult place.
OTOH I would not want her managing my household finances... at least not until I trained her to understand the value of money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]However, my comments were more intended for the BIG business end of things like negotiating contracts etc between companies. Chinese are the movers and shakers, they also control the money, into money lending etc and the "underground" banking/loan system that permeates this society. Beleive me without it very little would get done big business wise.
Spamhog[/QUOTE]Yeah, in that specific context you're absolutely right. We agree that's *my* job, not hers. As you make me pause to think about it, she and I have actually never discussed it or felt a need to, since that's just the way it is.
Like when we paid out the house amortization. She suggested maybe I could ask for a payout discount, which where I come from you just don't get when paying off a mortgage, but ok, sure, why not ask. The result was a 20-ish% capital saving, which took me all of 10 minutes to get. That's one whopping big chunk of major capital saved, and I'm surely happy she suggested it when I wouldn't have otherwise considered it possible.
(A followup on my long-winded story posted yesterday)
The lady practically begged me to call her before I left KL. She suggested 11AM on Wednesday. I called about eight times over a few hours, starting at that time.
Her phone was either switched off, or she gave me the wrong number. From the message I got, I don't know for sure ("The number you have dialed cannot be reached at the moment. Please try again later.") I also emailed her and sent an SMS to ask her to read email.
Given all else that has happened, this should not surprise me. If I don't hear from her again, I'll miss her. Heck, I miss her already.
Hi Steve,
Slayer here. # 1 on Davao Board. Been wondering where the fuck you have been. Up to your old "tricks" I see. Well you neither need nor want my advice. No way in heaven or hell you would follow it anyway.
The girls cell may just have been off, low battery or out of range. I get these messages all the time. Often have to make several calls just to reach my daughters mother or my son's (read about him Steve?) mother or the other ladies in Davao, Cebu, CDO or Makati.
Heard the story 1000 times in last 18 years travelling to SE Asia. You need to see the sleaze bag fucking filipinos who get these girls into this work. Same dickless cocksuckers (don't even dare PM you fucking losers) who recruit japyukies for japan. Little or no real education, little intelligence but sociopathic, violent and good at inventing bullshit stories for "down on their luck filipinas".
Steve, why the fuck do you leave your passport, wallet, money and who knows what else in your room with a bargirl? Especially when you suspect foul play. BTW, if you DO suspect foul play in the night, DO NOT simply fall asleep. Prepare for the possibility, no matter how remote.
I do hope we meet up some day. It will be a "real Trip". My return to the Phils is shortly and my nephew in US Law Enforcement will accompany me for his frist Trip. Pm me if you can get there in August.
On the side, I cannot believve some guy copied Steve's entire report again here. WHat purpose does this serve? I often wonder why a guy copies several paragraphs of one of my Posts. Steve's Post was a novella.
As always, I enjoy reading of your exploits Steve. Totally different from mine but great all the same. Stay healthy Pal.
Dragon Slayer
[QUOTE=Steve Naive](A followup on my long-winded story posted yesterday)
The lady practically begged me to call her before I left KL. She suggested 11AM on Wednesday. I called about eight times over a few hours, starting at that time.
Her phone was either switched off, or she gave me the wrong number. From the message I got, I don't know for sure ("The number you have dialed cannot be reached at the moment. Please try again later.") I also emailed her and sent an SMS to ask her to read email.
Given all else that has happened, this should not surprise me. If I don't hear from her again, I'll miss her. Heck, I miss her already.[/QUOTE]
Steve:
Just a few points, first let me commend you on a report well written with just the right amount of humor and honesty that is refreshing. I have done some light mongering in KL city but many years ago, didn;t find any Filipinas (Plenty of Thai and Indonesians) but here is my take ont he situation after reading your initial report and the PS re cellphone.
There is a theme song all Filipina's have it goes like this:
1. I have only had sex with one man in my life
2. It has been _______ years since I had sex (Fill int he blank)
3. I learned to do that (THAT is anything other than straight misisonary position intercourse) from looking at porno films with my GF's. (A variation of this is the married GF who taught her how to give a blow job etc.)
4. Hard luck story
5. this is my first night (Week, month) in the bar and you are my first (sometimes second) customer. (A variation of this is the freelancer you meet who says the same thing about her first time doing this).
Okay based on my experience mongering around different places in Asia with Filipina's (Whom I put in a seperate catagory from Thai, Viets, Laotians, Singa chinese, Malays, Indos etc.) 1 through 3 are usually BS. No matter if you hear that from penpals you meet, girls on the internet, "regular" girls, nurses, teachers or A cute littel freelancer you picked up in the mall.
There are so many cultural and even profesisonal reasons why these ladies tell you that, I have met two (2) Filipina for whom that was true.
In the case of #4, it usually is true, that is the sad part, remember MOST of these girls DO NOT WANT TO BE WORKING IN A BAR and humping strange guys for money, triple that for being overseas, away from their families and at the mnercy of some pitiless overseer. If they were not deseperate for money and a great deal of pressure put on them they WOULD NOT BE IN THAT POSITION. (Hold that thought)
Now the BIG problem is 5. All I can tell you is you have to look at it on a case to case basis, here is where you mongering experience comes in. You cna usually tell the ones form whom it is true, they are fumbling, nervous and a bit ignorant about the proceedure.
I would say in her case most of what she told you was true, girls are often given a "cover story" such as a real job and are smuggled into the country to work as hookers, she was no doubt quoting the party line to you in case you were a TEST case sent by mamasan, or worse the local cops who at times employ foreigners for this job (they often do this).
Now the question you got to ask yourself is while she sounds absolutely new to that particular venue, what did she do in the Philippines, how and where was she recruited ads most of these OFW hookers are picked up in local KTV's etc. and know exactly what they are getting into...go back to point #4.
Many of these girls do lie of course but something you should consider...many lie to themselves (Go back to point 4) to come to grip with the facts they are just prosty's which are despised in their society and by family so they have to "save face" and pretend they are not in their own minds.
As far as the phone thing, be patient, phones often dont work, she may have hocked it, changed her number or maybe jyust can afford to reload it with a prepaid card. Keep trying, however, be cautious, have experience witha a variety of girls before you find one you want to concentrate on, no matter how "good" she seems.
good luck
the SPamhog
Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
Of course, child support is separate from this and cannot be negotiated away by private treaty. I already pay hefty child support but dont mind it as I love my kids and would like to have more.
This girl is very anxious to get married. There has not been any mention of money. She seems sincere. Even if she's not, I'll probably knock her up in the first few months she sets foot in the US, and then she'll be busy. But my feeling is that to be a wife and mother is what she ultimately wants. Just not in the Philippines.
My ex-wife, with whom I am very friendly, says that I will continue to make mongering trips even when I am eventually confined to a wheelchair...........she could be right. I never saw marriage as a barrier to mongering.
Why get married? I've been apart from my ex for a year and I've had a serious look at the females here in the US. I've gone on dates; been set up by friends etc and mind you, these were with mostly latinas. But I'm not interested in the women here. Between equality and the lack of femininity, I'd rather get on a plane.
This topic has been brought up before and I paid it scant interest. There's even a section for marrying foreign women, but I think Filipinas are different, read best, and I'd rather get input from guys who know the PI. I was already married to a South American and am familiar with the ever needy family etc.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
Don
Don't do it Don. I'll be in the Philippines on the 21st. We can get together for a drink and maybe I can talk you out of it.
Dashing and daring, a middle aged man says he's going to venture forth to the the Philippine and marry an 18yrOld virgin.
Duh!
X
Xman: Thanks for that reasoned and informative post. Its just what I was looking for. I'm digesting it as we speak.
Mahku: I've always enjoyed your posts and would definitely meet up with you but I arrive on the 8th and depart on the 17th. Your thoughts are most welcome though.
Don
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
Don[/QUOTE]Don,
I still don't get why you want to get married - unless it's that you want to have more kids. I agree that US women are challenging but that doesn't justify marriage. Since you're divorced, you know this - once you marry her, you are handing her a lot of power and ability to make your life miserable - you can't just blow her off like you can a gf or hooker. I would suggest you give single life a bit more time.
Anyway, if you do it, have a heart to heart with your lawyer. I don't know how rock solid even the best pre-nups are - some states have pretty strict rules about how assets are divided, especially after long (10+ year marriages) and if there is child support involved. BTW, I'm not an attorney
Good luck,
PB
Pat,
Thanks for your response.
I don't want to get married but thats the only way to get a Filipina in here.
I'm beginning to think that you are right about the attorney thing. If the prenup is airtight, there isn't much the girl can do. But if its not, then I'm in trouble. Of course, all this is pure theory.
Don
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Now here's a post that I never thought I would make.
Upon returning from my trip to PI a month ago, I met a girl on Filipina Heart. 18yo and a virgin from a place near Butuan in Mindanao. We chat and cam and she looks and seems very nice. I'm going back to PI on Friday and will meet up with her in Butuan on Monday. Thats after I quench my thirst in Manila.
If all goes well, I'm considering marrying her and taking her back to the US. I've done a little research on immigration procedures and the K1, or 'fiancee visa' seems the quicker of the two paths to take.
I do have assets and a good income to protect and she will have to sign a prenup. As yet I haven't sat down with an attorney to work out the details. I'm thinking along the lines of zero to her if either of us files for divorce in the first five years and after that, a lump sum for five to eight years, eight to twelve etc. I want to be fair to the girl as I'm taking the best years of her life, but above all, I must protect what I've accumulated in my 49years. I've never done this before and I'm curious if others have.
Of course, child support is separate from this and cannot be negotiated away by private treaty. I already pay hefty child support but don't mind it as I love my kids and would like to have more.
This girl is very anxious to get married. There has not been any mention of money. She seems sincere. Even if she's not, I'll probably knock her up in the first few months she sets foot in the US, and then she'll be busy. But my feeling is that to be a wife and mother is what she ultimately wants. Just not in the Philippines.
My ex-wife, with whom I am very friendly, says that I will continue to make mongering trips even when I am eventually confined to a wheelchair. She could be right. I never saw marriage as a barrier to mongering.
Why get married? I've been apart from my ex for a year and I've had a serious look at the females here in the US. I've gone on dates; been set up by friends etc and mind you, these were with mostly latinas. But I'm not interested in the women here. Between equality and the lack of femininity, I'd rather get on a plane.
This topic has been brought up before and I paid it scant interest. There's even a section for marrying foreign women, but I think Filipinas are different, read best, and I'd rather get input from guys who know the PI. I was already married to a South American and am familiar with the ever needy family etc.
I've made enough jokes here and am quite prepared to have a few made about me. The crux of my question is this: if I have covered myself with a prenup, should I be unduly worried about anything else?
Any input welcomed.
Don[/QUOTE]Dear Don,
I married a Filipina after divorcing a local Australian. This was the worst decision of my life; things changed after the marriage. Some of my mates also married Filipnas and are in the same sad situation as myself.
My advice:
1. Do not marry anybody at all for two years; go on mongering and be clear on the qualities you want in a wife. Do not be seduced by the expertise of the RP girls - they promise so much and are a sheer delight while courting.
2. Learn to manage on your own; learn the cost of running a flat or house etc.
3. Why is this 18 yo keen on you? Think about it. My experience - and I have lived in RP for a while - is that she sees you as a ticket to the 'good life'. Many RP think people in North America, Australia, Western Europe are all rich. She will continue to be very sweet to you while she believes that you will marry her or, more pointedly, support her financially and materially. She will, of course, not mention money until after the marriage ceremony. She is not stupid; she would not want to jeopardise the prospect of a materially better life. Her friend would encourage her and would be jealous of her meterial prospects.
4. If you find an RP female you think you love, live with her for at least a year and check her out.
5. During this time, observe her carefully. Watch out for the following - my list is incomplete-
* Asking for (and even demanding with tantrums) very excessive $ for housekeeping (she saves the excess and mails it to relatives).
* Buying heaps of clothes - and then sending boxes of stuff that is 'out of fashion' etc to relatives.
* Demanding an annual funded visit with $ for expenses to RP to see relatives or attend 'important' funerals etc.
* Using sex as a reward for being obedient. In Tagalog, her friends talk about what they do to gain materially from their marriages to white guys.
* Unwillingness to visit your friends with you. I have lost all of my pre-marriage friends and now talk to guys like me who married an RP female.
* Continuing to call RP 'home'; in their minds, they will always be Filipinas abroad making a life for themselves.
* Telling you 'hard luck' stories about herself and other Filipinas ('relatives')
6. If you still widh to go ahead with a marriage, either the female is an exception (and there are, obviously, some few good Filipino females) OR you are thinking with your heart or your dick and not your head. Pre-nups are not worth a great deal if she makes your life with her a hellish experience.
7. Asia is a big place; in my experience, I find many Chinese girls to be better and supportive partners and they continue to be very feminine.
Best wishes
Ray
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Pat,
Thanks for your response.
I don't want to get married but thats the only way to get a Filipina in here.
I'm beginning to think that you are right about the attorney thing. If the prenup is airtight, there isn't much the girl can do. But if its not, then I'm in trouble. Of course, all this is pure theory.
Don[/QUOTE]
ANYBODY who gets married in this day and age SHOULD get a pre nup no matter where the bride is from, I would say double that if the woman is an American or Americanized (read a liberated student of Hillary, Sally Jesse and Oprah) and they learn fast. There are some built in safeguards by the system, for instance she must clear her first year (or is it two???) before any of her entitlement rights attach. You understand that your prenup is good only in the USA or state in which you reside and they all have different laws concerning a pre nup, and that such a document means crap in the Phils, you have no rights as a foreigner she gets EVERYTHING in the PI.
Here are a couple of points:
MAKE SURE a copy of the prenup is translated to Visayan!!!!
You can make her (or anybody else) your beneficiary if you are legally married, should something happen to you (face it, you are going before her coz of your age!) in the first year of marriage, she will get something. DO NOT make your attorney executor of your will, he will step in and take a heafty cut. You can do your own will and have it notarized and a copy left with your Kids, relatives etc.
These things I learned doing PI work for an attorney in the USA and what I know of Phils law.
Good luck
Spamhog
Thanks fellas for the feedback.
I'm still not clear on a couple of things though:
If she changes her behavior for the worst within the first two years of marriage, I can just divorce her and she'll have to go back to the PI...without a financial settlement. Right? Between the provisions of US Immigration's K1 visa which deems that there be a two year waiting period (to defeat gold diggers), and the freely-entered-into prenup, she's snookered. At least so it would seem.
I can't live with the girl as I have a job/house/kids etc here in the US. Thus, I have to import her. I seem to remember a poster who did this a lot. A New Zealander I think. Just can't remember his handle. He would bring them in for a while. Test driving and all that.
I certainly wouldn't invest, get married or otherwise entangle myself in the PI. Everything would be done in the US.
Ray, I'm thinking with my dick of course! Having a nice 18yo sharing the sack with you night after night has a certain draw to it. And I'll monger till the day I die. If she looks at me as a meal ticket, so bet it. Thats ok. The broads here in the US look at their men as meal tickets too, despite all that phony equality garbage. In any business I've seen, very very few women can hold their own with aggressive males. So they marry them. Much simpler.
For seven good years, I had the best of both worlds. I had a nice Peruvian wife, kids, home etc AND I mongered every few months. It was great. Came to an end though. So I'm looking to replicate that. Obviously I will not be advertising my mongering proclivities to any future mate. Just hoping I can get away with it and that if I do get caught, by that time a certain acceptance will have crept in on her part.
Several of the posters here have Filipina wives and speak highly of them and the girls, even the hookers in the PI, do seem very sweet. I'm just trying to navigate correctly. I think that the next step will be to sit down with an attorney but it won't happen before I leave on Friday.
Cebu Local: I tried pming you last week but your box was full. I need to book a hotel in Butuan. I'd appreciate it if you can get back to me in the next few days. Thanks.
Don
Don
You have PM,Sorry I cant weigh in on Filipinas,because I am getting engaged to a Chinese.But I wish you all the best luck Cheers CL
Hmm... a fifty year old divorced man importing a teenager for marriage with a pre-nup then trying to ditch her before her two year conditional visa is up; such stories always have an interesting ending. I'm sure the family court judge and immigration will take a long hard look at this one and arrive at their own conclusions, especially after the first anchor baby arrives.
Pre-nups can be thrown out if the judge thinks that the terms were unfair or one party's rights were violated. The consular officer will also make sure that girl is informed that she is entitled to an unconditional green card after she makes a call to the local police station and they file domestic violence charges against her elderly husband.
American women frown upon old men who bang 18 yr old girls and have ensured that laws like IMBRA exist to deal with those who marry and import these girls from impoverished nations. Also, test driving foreign women with a K-1 visa has officially been put to an end.
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]
The broads here in the US look at their men as meal tickets too, despite all that phony equality garbage. In any business I've seen, very very few women can hold their own with aggressive males. So they marry them. Much simpler.[/QUOTE]Don,
Most American women look at men as meal tickets but not always. A fair number of wives make more than their husbands. My ex-wife was from a wealthy family who sent us money. Not likely to happen with a Filipina or Thai girl's family.
Anyway, I'm fairly close to your age and also worry about protecting my assets - which is why I don't plan to get married anytime soon, unless I meet a great rich girl. In the meantime, when I want to fuck an 18 year old girl, I consult Craigslist or plan a trip to Asia or Brazil. Don't forget, your wife may be a hot 18 year old now, but I've seen some cute Filipinas balloon up in their early 20's - why get yourself tethered to one?
In California, after 10 years of marriage, I believe all assets are split in half - and I'm not sure if you can avoid that with a prenup. One solution I have heard about is trusts, which in some states last 100+ years or indefinitely and shield your assets from lawsuits, divorce etc. My sense is that they are a pain in the ass to set up though, and limit your access to your assets. Again, ask your attorney and/or accountant about it as I'm not an expert.
PB
Aside from the poster who deliberately misread everything I've said and portrayed me as some kind of predator, I've been listening to the other posters and as the day approaches, I find my thoughts turning to protecting my assets rather than bagging the young tail and taking it back to the US. I don't intend to do anything rash on this trip and I have a few girls as backup to call if the main one doesn't work out.
It does seem as if prenups are only for short term relationships. I've also heard that prenups can be overturned if they go against 'the public interest'. That nugget I heard from an lawyer. But I haven't sat down with a family lawyer yet.
It'll be interesting to see what happens as I've never gotten this 'deep' in a relationship with a Filipina. And I'll report back on what transpires.
Thanks to all,
Don
Don,
I'm a few years younger than you, but have had the same thoughts about bringing a great young babe back from the PI.
I'm no lawyer, but I have looked into how pre-nups work pretty closely. I have done a lot of reading on it. I would say, based on research, that even if the relationship ends within 0 to 5 years, you are going to have to pay a fairly significant settlement. Not in the 50-50 split range or anything like that. But depending on your assets it could be a 5 figure number. If she's staying in the states, you'll probably have to pay alimony for at least a while. A court would not allow her to be left to become destitute.
If she really changes in the first year or two, the law does specify that after divorce, she goes back. But you know how immigration really is here. I am not 100% that it would be enforced. There are an awful lot of people here illegally.
Good luck, and of course have a blast on your trip. I (and likely others) will be very interested in your future reports, including advice you get from an attorney.
CS
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Aside from the poster who deliberately misread everything I've said and portrayed me as some kind of predator, I've been listening to the other posters and as the day approaches, I find my thoughts turning to protecting my assets rather than bagging the young tail and taking it back to the US. I don't intend to do anything rash on this trip and I have a few girls as backup to call if the main one doesn't work out.
It does seem as if prenups are only for short term relationships. I've also heard that prenups can be overturned if they go against 'the public interest'. That nugget I heard from an lawyer. But I haven't sat down with a family lawyer yet.
It'll be interesting to see what happens as I've never gotten this 'deep' in a relationship with a Filipina. And I'll report back on what transpires.
Thanks to all,
Don[/QUOTE]
Don:
You ARE correct Pre nups CAN BE OVERTURNED, or at least contested, Divorce settlements can be CONTESTED and SO CAN YOUR WILL!!!! I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU MAKE A WILL AHEAD OF TIME and name your beneficiary (Kids from previous marriage or a blood relative) BUT ANYTHING can be challeneged in court, that is why God (or is it the devil?) made lawyers. She can hire a lawyer and contest anything and drain your pockets doing it as YOU have to hire a lawyer right back! Yeah Right where is a teenaged Filipina going to find a lawyer in the USA??? well there are plenty of womens organizations who would champion her cause and portray you as a "predator" and a monster who took advantage of this poor young thing, you know how our Politically correct our society is. That is one reason why I suggested you make sure she has copies of EVERYTHING translated to visayan, to prove that you didn't take advantage of her ignorance.
Best you can hope for in such a worst case scenario is that she would get tired and frustrated with the legal system, run out of patience and just head back home to the PI with whatever small settlement you were willing to stipulate to. (I personally think the Filipina psych is geared towards this one) If you live in a state with a "no fault" divorce such as Virginia (where it takes 9 years of marriage before assets attach) count yourself lucky.
Spam hog
FIRST ERRORS IN THE QUOTE DEPT PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THAT.
This is not an "OJ" CRIMINAL case, it's a civil matter, big difference.It will not matter about personal public opinion's it's not about the world standards it's about you.
If you follow the outline she gets half of what you "earned together" no more or less,not anything either of you had before the happy day.The key here is money and you have the assets not her and money talks nobody walks,nobody.And this is true all over the planet.I would expect problems if written by yourself but through a competent attorney very hard to break.We are not talking about headline breaking cases here,we are talking about regular people not two millionaires or land Barron's or oil tycoons.Regular (MY KIND OF)people.
I am not talking about the new voe rich guys that live in the PI now.(Who were regular guys at home)I am speaking about the average.
QUOTE;Spam Hog;
You ARE correct Pre nups CAN BE OVERTURNED, or at least contested, Divorce settlements can be CONTESTED and SO CAN YOUR WILL!!!! I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU MAKE A WILL AHEAD OF TIME and name your beneficiary (Kids from previous marriage or a blood relative) BUT ANYTHING can be challenged in court, that is why God (or is it the devil?) made lawyers. She can hire a lawyer and contest anything and drain your pockets doing it as YOU have to hire a lawyer right back! Yeah Right where is a teenaged Filipina going to find a lawyer in the USA??? well there are plenty of womens organizations who would champion her cause and portray you as a "predator" and a monster who took advantage of this poor young thing, you know how our Politically correct our society is. That is one reason why I suggested you make sure she has copies of EVERYTHING translated to visayan, to prove that you didn't take advantage of her ignorance.
Best you can hope for in such a worst case scenario is that she would get tired and frustrated with the legal system, run out of patience and just head back home to the PI with whatever small settlement you were willing to stipulate to. (I personally think the Filipina psych is geared towards this one) If you live in a state with a "no fault" divorce such as Virginia (where it takes 9 years of marriage before assets attach) count yourself lucky. END QUOTE;
Lets take first things first.If the gal wants to contest what you say is right as far as the pre nup goes where will she get the money? Do you think a good counselor from a local free or low cost legal service will cut the mustard.The answer is no way.If you draw up a prenup nup in the us or another country she will NEVER GET ANYMORE THAN WHAT SHE SIGNED FOR,AND AGREED TO GET.
The reason the contested wills are so sticky is there is no representation for people to argue with.Meening the deceased.The only one that wins is the lawyer.Most people do not outline and have papers on hand showing an outline as to what they want someone to receive.Most contested wills are in fact showing the person had no will at all.The family members are fighting over personal property that is owned by an estate."They fight with the person mostly the executor" which they usually see as a threat by some or all the family members. People throw good money in after bad all the time and this is a fools errand.I have a very good friend that had a prenup nup signed by his now ex wife and she got nothing but what was outlined in the paperwork.She also had her own money to fight if she wanted and she declined any further FOOLISH action.
I would rather take my chances with the prenup which in most cases is "IRON CLAD" than be happy to find out you should have in the final analysis.Like they say a fool and his money soon part,I want to protect mine.
MORE PEARLS'
B.B...
Spam Hog I messed up the quote function on the lower post and did my best to fix it.
B.B..
I've had the pleasure of spending a few days with The Senator from the great state of New York, Dashing Don.
DD, you know what my gig is. I've got a young lady stabled in the P.I. who I come out to visit with every 2 or 3 months. The bottom line is I'm treated very well by her without the threat of her unpacking my saddlebags and taking half my shit. I know it would be nice having her live here in California but it just ain't worth the risk of having her "change" once she gets here as others have stated.
Take my advice and keep the little lady in the P.I.. She will take good care of you and the cost impact is minimal. I'd suggest you get on the frequent flyer program with Philippine Airlines and you will be upgraded to first class before you know it. Just have a Scotch and an Ambien and you will be there before you know it.
Speaking of Philippine Airlines, I got a kick out of butthole Surfer's comment bashing Philippine Airlines for the "unannounced technical difficulties" which causes them to land in Honolulu every time he has flown with them. Surfer, that stop in Honolulu is called "refueling". You see, there is a wind way up in the sky called a jetstream and when airplanes fly west, they fly against this wind which uses more fuel and that requires them to stop for a fill up. P.I. Airlines now stops in Guam, not Hawaii for this "technical difficulty" Surfer refers to.
[QUOTE=Surfer]flew that PR 102/103 MANY times in the 90s, and unannounced "technical" stops in HNL are all too common going over [/QUOTE]
PAL is (better said WAS as I have not flown them in almost 10 years) NOTORIOUS for adding unscheduled stops in HNL when the load factror is light. Yes OCCASIONALLY a very strong ghead wind might necesitate a stop in HNL but fuinny how they skipped the stop when the flight from SFO (or LAX) was full, but when not they would cancel the separate flight from HNL (PR 108 I THINK) and put those passengers on the SFO-MNL flight. The 747-400 they used has more than enough range to amke that flight nonstop with FAA mandated reserves. Gotta PLENTY of other PAL stories but I won't bother.
Don: I am impressed you are going to Mindanao (finally getting out of Manila) but don't expect ANY 5 star level of hotel in Butuan City. Or 4. Or 3. WEll maybe there is a 3 star by now (they were building a nicer hotel last time I was there)
As a lawyer who had a TIGHT prenup with a Filipina and went through a divorce, I can tell you that the Court ALWAYS can invalidate your agreement if found not "equitable". Also, even if she wanted to she could not waive alimony (now called spousal support) or child support (HIGH probability you WILL knock her up as Filipinas are breeding machines). Prenups only deal with allocation of property (or assets) accumulated during marriage. A prenup is ESSENTIAL, but realize it only goes so far.
Why am I am helping you when we are enemies? Because I am a generous and helpful person by disposition.
[QUOTE=Prov1]The bottom line is I'm treated very well by her without the threat of her unpacking my saddlebags and taking half my shit. I know it would be nice having her live here in California but it just ain't worth the risk of having her "change" once she gets here as others have stated.
Take my advice and keep the little lady in the P.I.. She will take good care of you and the cost impact is minimal. I'd suggest you get on the frequent flyer program with Philippine Airlines and you will be upgraded to first class before you know it. Just have a Scotch and an Ambien and you will be there before you know it.[/QUOTE]DD,
Just found this post and thread which may be worth reviewing if you haven't seen it. I think it's on the money.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=468935&postcount=143[/url]
PB
Its 8:30am Sunday here in Manila and I'm in the business Center at the Peninsula. Got in at midnight; checked into the hotel; went to EDSA and got a barfine. She's upstairs sleeping as I write.
Everyone in the hotel is addressing me as 'Senator', I mean everyone. At breakfast; the concierge, housekeeping. What a hoot! The only downside is that I can't be rude to anyone now: I have to actually answer the 100 'Good Morning Senator's I get everyday instead of ignoring them like before.
CL: Thanks for recommending the Almont in Butuan. If you booked it for me (and other hotel arrangements) wouldn't you get a commission? As it seems that it would not make a difference to me pricewise, I'd be glad to send you any business that I could. I'm in the PI about every two months. Let me know.
It seems that Prov and Guinness, in a fatherly way, are questioning my committment to mongering. Fellas!! I just want to have my cake and eat it too. Even if I have a nice young Filipina at home, I can still make mongering trips. And will. It never stopped me before (although probably had something to do with my being divorced LOL). If I want to visit an AMP in Manhattan I will. That won't change. So what we are really talking about is capital. And how to preserve it. Thats why, as soon as I get back on the 17th, I will get a consultation with one of the most prominent family law firms in New York.
Surf, I'm glad to see you coming around. Just a few days ago on the 'Mansion Incident' section of the Colombia board, you advocated my demise in a particularly gruesome way. Now you're giving me legal advice. I know I speak for Prov and Guinness when I say "welcome back to humanity.":)
You didn't mention whether your prenup was overturned. Also, as I understand it, child support is the only thing that cannot be addressed in a prenup. Anyway, no more speculation. I'll go to the top law firm in NYC when I get back.
Finally: One reason why I get along so well with my ex is that she and the kids are very well taken care of, both materially, and in terms of time spent with the kids. It would be same with any Filipina I take back. Any prenup would reflect the fact that she is giving up the best years of her life. In no way am I trying to enslave anyone or be unfair. I just don't want to subject myself to a court system which often treats the guys like we are criminals and leaves us penniless.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back upstairs and bang my barfine one last time before she leaves.
Don
DD:
I never "advocated" that kickboxer go after you (I abhor violence), I merely noted that he would not need a weapon to hurt you (the guy is tough as nails depite being about 5'5").
You are wise NOT to skimp on the lawyering expense as it will save you in the long run. My agreement was never invalidated because we settled; luckily, my ex made good money (mortgage broker) so I got out fine really (except having to pay my own attorney which was painful and gave me some appreciation for how clients feel getting those huge bills). You cannot waive support, child or spousal, as you will learn from your lawyer so there is no magic bullett. Divorce is not cheap, especailly where there is a disparity of income.
Finally, I urge you to reign in your staff before they alienate CebuLocal by trying to embroil him in a dispute in which he has never been invloved.
D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog
[QUOTE=Surfer]DD:
I never "advocated" that kickboxer go after you (I abhor violence), I merely noted that he would not need a weapon to hurt you (the guy is tough as nails depite being about 5'5").
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Surfer] Kickboxer would need no knife to tear you to shreds you old racist Don, even if you are a foot taller than he is. I'd like to see it, you in your Klan Robe all shiny White until it became a nice shade of crimson as he tore you to pieces. Sounds like a pay per view event MANY would enjoy watching. Hmmm.[/QUOTE]
Surfer, once again you have proven you are nothing but a two faced liar. YOU are the serial antagonist on this thread as you are in Colombia. Look, We understand you lost half your assets to a filipina you imported to the U.S., who married you only for a nice looking green card. We also understand you think this time you can find the "right" girl, if only this time you travel outside Manila. Go ahead, but don't take out your frustrations on the rest of us. Please post a field report next year after the 2nd filipina unpacks your saddlebags. I'm sure it will go something like this: "If only I were to have travelled deeper into the jungle I'm sure I could have found a girl to accept me for who I am." :)
SH, have you done a Camiguin report? I'd like to go there someday. I think GE (Davao) was planning to go there just before his injury, so we didn't get a report. Send us some info if you can...
X
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog[/QUOTE]
Prov: Please show us ONE post where you have imparted information or posted a photo. Just 1. You have never posted anything besides attempts to stir up flame wars. You have been duly warned by jackson that the next incident would be your last. Seems like it is time for administrative action in which no "vote" is required.
How do you go about getting an international license to drive?
[QUOTE=Spam Hog]D.D. since there seems to be some discussion over going to Butuan, ive been there a few times let me tell you a few things about it. Best way to access if is by going to Cagayan de Oro. They have flights in from Manila. You then catch a bus (aircon) is about five hours. Not much in the way of hotels there, you might shell out P1000 for the best place in town. Cant recall the name of the hotel I stayed at something like the dynasty or whatever, white building with green chinese characters. As far as hotels go typical Philippines which means the cockroaches can carry you out the door, but they do have hot water and cable if I recall.
You usually have to get around by trisikad, not many taxis. The Bus stop you get off in is rather rough. I wouldn't worry too much about personal safety in that area of Mindanao but you might meet up with a pickpocket or snatcher at the terminal, plenty of 'em.
P.S. you and your lady might enjoy a trip to nearby Camuiguin Island, nice place.
regards
Spam hog[/QUOTE]
A couple of years ago I stayed at Almont Inland Resort. It cost something like 1000. It has nice grounds, a good pool and ok rooms. It's on the way out of town going towards the airport.
At the time there was a Cebu-Butuan flight but last year it was discontinued. I'm sure there are still Manila flights though. I plan on being there some time next month so I'll be able to report on any new hotels or flights
[QUOTE=Chevy 68]How do you go about getting an international license to drive?[/QUOTE]
I guess that depends on where you are from. But for most countries an international drivers license is nothing but a translation of your original drivers license in a foreign language. For the Philippines I never needed one as they accepted my European driers license at all rental agencies.
If you are from the USA, Canada, Australia, or any first world country, the Philippines recognizes and accepts your country's Driver's License to drive in the Philippines, as will the car rental agencies. To confirm, ust the car rental agency. The question though, is: Do you really want to drive in the Philippines, and Can you drively safely in the Philippines?
You can use your license from the stated I believe for 3 months after that you must get an international one.You can use the original from the states much longer say you went out of the country on business and just returned.They will never know.I can give you the name of a place to go and in a half hour a drug test and a box of chocolates have an international one.
All about who you know and peso- nality.Walk right past the COMMON people and straight to the supervisors office of the motor vehicles division.
Just like back home right.
B.B...
I'm in the Marriot in Cebu having just arrived by overnight ferry from Butuan.
Took a direct flight to Butuan from Manila. 41us. The Almont Hotel is supposed to be the best in town but has been closed for a year for renovation. So I stayed at the Almont 'Inland Resort' near the center. The same one that Mahku referred to. I got the 'matrimonial suite', which is the best in the hotel: a cabin in front of a spacious pool. $60 per night. But, they charge you up front and won't refund you. Nice place. Spacious and ok food.
Met some other caucasians here in the nearby Gaisano Mall. All were here to spend time with their wive's families. American, Canadian and Irish. The Irish guy married a nurse who works in a hospital in back of his house in County Cork. He couldn't believe the talent in PI.
There's nothing to do here but go to the mall. There's a nature preserve 70km south but no one has heard of it. The people look more indigenous here (sorry Surfer; thats code for being darker, and usually poorer).
Met the FH girl at the airport. She's not quite as pretty in person as on cam--one of the many things I have learned on this trip. Also, her English is less than proficient which means I have to repeat things and have difficulty communicating in general. Other than that, she is a fine person but I have given up any thoughts of going any further with this.
to be contd
[QUOTE=Chevy 68]How do you go about getting an international license to drive?[/QUOTE]
Go to any AAA office and show them your license, give them a picture and pay the fee. You will get the international license, which I have never found to be very helpful.
Here in the PI they will accept anything short of a birth certificate. Any European, US, Canadian, Japanese license will do. For those staying a bit longer, and who have an address that's other than a hotel, it's also fairly simple to arrange for a local license, which is what I use. It will take you about an hour's worth of hassle at the Land Transport Office, coping with the endless hoards of people.
Remember, if you're renting a car outside of Manila, most of the rentals here don't exactly conform to US/European standards, and you're likely to get something that's 5-6 years old and a bit banged up.
Driving here takes some getting used to. In Davao, for example, which is alleged to be the world's largest city, I have never seen a stop sign in my 3 years of driving around the city. There are only 4 or 5 traffic lights in the city, two of which actually work some of the time. No Filipino driver stops at any intersection for any reason and it's wise to always slow down and look. Traffic lanes are a Western concept that is not understood clearly here and right of way is not operational here, nor is the idea of "passing lane." Car lights are something to be switched on when the car is new, and before they've burned out. After that, forget it. Bicycle lights have not yet been discovered here, and I don't think I've ever seen one. As I think I've said before, if you're going to drive here, just assume that every driver within your immediate vision is about to do the most stupid, irrational thing you can imagine and then you drive to avoid their stupidity. You will rarely be disappionted, as Filipinos--otherwise the world's nicest people--do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it while behind the wheel.
All told though, if you survive the first 3-4 days, you begin to internalize their behavior so that you can anticipate it without conscious thought. Once this happens, you should be okay.
:D
GE
Cont'd.
The girl is a virgin and is determined to stay that way until marriage. She says that a lot of the girls in her town, nearby Bayugan, are like that. Its fine with me. She's with me here in Cebu but I'm not trying to take her 'flag' as virginity is know in these parts. The psychological and emotional reprecussions would appear to be too great and I can always get a working girl. I think SH referred to this in a mongering report he made a while ago. I feel the same way.
Her take on the internet dating thing is interesting and she's been quite frank. In the mall we met a middle-aged female who works in an internet cafe and helps girls who don't know english. If the girl gets the caucasian to send money, this 'internet mamasan' gets half.
Other stories about caucasians taking the 'flag' and taking off; getting girls pregnant and taking a powder; a ninteen year old who was pregnant with a filipino who took off, but who managed to 'bag' a 70yo Canadian who now lives in the village with her. Hilarious! A million stories about the Internet and caucasians. But a few things become obvious: that Filipinas make good wives and want to be good wives and mothers. That catching a caucasian is viewed very positively, so I assume that there are many more success stories than bad ones.
Probably, I'll look for 21yo+ girls who have a college degree and are thus better able to read and write english because for me, no matter how good looking the girl is, if you have to constantly repeat everything it gets tiring. I knew there was a problem when I found myself speaking broken English.
Thats all for now; more later,
Don
[quote=x man]sh, have you done a camiguin report? i'd like to go there someday. i think ge (davao) was planning to go there just before his injury, so we didn't get a report. send us some info if you can...
x[/quote]
x man its been awhile since i went to camuiguin. it is a great place if you want to tour, lots to do, climb a volcano, snokel in an underwater grave yard. (the have a real spooky grave yard on land, i mean skulls hanging from trees and stuff!) bathe inthe hot springs, some great diving. most of the "resorts" are small, family owned, a few by foreigners. it is not on the scale of boracay favored by the manila crowd. ihowever, there is not much inthe way of mongering. i did not see a "bar" or club on the island
and unless things have changed drastically in the past three years (which i doubt) i think this is a classic case of bringing your own. of course this is the "peens" and you can get lucky anywhere.
i think camiguin has the friendliest people in the islands.
spamhog
Save the time & $$ on the AAA International Drivers License for the PI. When I showed it the guy was like "what the heck is this" but was perfectly satisfied with my California DL. In fact, it HELPS to let them know you are American and there are not many countries left where that is the case.
Nissan rental (Blue And White) at NAIA used to have the best rates on the best cars. They also had an office next door to Heritage on Roxas. I even took a station wagon of theirs all the way around the loop on the Halesma Highway through Baguio, Banue and back to Cabanatuan City. Never tried to rent a car on Mindanao and often it is cheaper to hire the car WITH the driver (plus he provides a navigator, translator as well as some sense of security.
Surigao is WAY more Bundok than Butuan or CDO etc. Cebu has all the creature comforts and is a different World indeed.
If you cannot communicate with babae, it gets boring QUICK. There are some in Mindanao that speak great English, though less than Manila, Cebu etc. Often, the ones that speak TOO good English are to be scrutinized for how they got that proficiency.
First off, you CAN drive with a US drivers license for a limited time period IF you are on a Visa or within the "three week visit" catagory. Anything over that you NEED a license to drive AND you need a License to drive a motorcycle.
That said, I cant imagine why anyone would WANT to drive here. As far as renting cars go it is available in most major cities including Davao, Cebu as well as Manila, however consider this: If you break down, run out of gas have an accident, disble the car etc etc you are literally shit out of luck. No such thing as a tow truck here (Unless you are in Davao/Cebu where I know they have localized tow services.) I've regularly driven through Bukidnon from Davao to Cagayan/Kidapawan and never encounted a breakdown problem. If I did it might have taken days to get assistance, few gas stations, no tow services etc. What you have is some guy who fixes tires in a makshift "Vulcanizing' shop next to a sari sari store where they MIGHT have some gas or deisel in a family sized coke bottle. Depending on whats wrong with your vehicle and what make it is finding spare parts is a logistic nightmare.
I reference this as it seems DD is considering renting a car and driving about in norhtern Mindanao, perhaps from CDO to Butuan along the national highway. Consider what happens if you have a breakdown DD even a flat etc. It is not like a US interstate. You might be able to rent a vehicle in CDO but my strong advice is not to. Take the air con bus which is about P80, also at the Agora terminal are private vans who drive to and from Butuan (and other areas) these are L 300 jobs who wait until they get x amount of passengers going in a certain direction, fewer stops. Yes you could look into hiring a driver in Butuan but remember few taxi's.
Good luck
Spam hog
I too can't imagine why one wants to drive in Phils. Drivers are cheap. If a foreigner is doing the actual driving and has an accident, the whole neighborhood and family will all be out with their hands out claiming all sorts of damages.
[QUOTE=Fastpiston]I too can't imagine why one wants to drive in Phils. Drivers are cheap. If a foreigner is doing the actual driving and has an accident, the whole neighborhood and family will all be out with their hands out claiming all sorts of damages.[/QUOTE]
This is true who do you think will get the money or charges from the accident.They money goes to the local and the rest to the foreigner.
When you can get a driver a car everything included for 6 dollars per hour why drive.Sit back and enjoy the view.Take victory liner it's safe comfortable and cheep.Hire a car or van,ten bucks goes a long way here.
B.B...
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]Cont'd.
Her take on the internet dating thing is interesting and she's been quite frank. In the mall we met a middle-aged female who works in an internet cafe and helps girls who don't know english. If the girl gets the caucasian to send money, this 'internet mamasan' gets half.
Don[/QUOTE]
I must say that I finally gave up on writing to the Philippinas because so many kept asking for money that it made me sick. After all, I had never even slept with them. I always asked them why they do not request money from rich men in their own country. The answer is that their people would drop kick them into the ocean, or worse. I tell them that not all Americans are rich and not all people in their country are poor. Logic to these girls is like trying to reason with a 3 year old.
Fortunately I work in the US with some educated Philippinas. They are nothing like the internet sharks. It is like the difference between a ghetto hustler and a Harvard graduate. So there are many good people from the Philippines. Most of them are not on the internet begging Americans for money simply for talking with them.
It makes me respect the P4P girls there. At least you get sex for your pesos with them.
I'm going to Butaan airport, last time a taxi droped me off in Gingoog city and that was the last I saw of a taxi, so my wife family held me like a hostage cuz I was not married at the time and she was a virgin. I've heard different stories that I needed international liscense and I don't want any problems, I would have to stay at a resort and there is only one there to use their hotel taxi. Anyway I was quite pleased marring the wife, have had other virgins before but she was exceptional. I have rented motorbikes before and could'nt find any in Gingoog.
I enjoy reading your interesting posts. Very much appreciated. Thank you.
Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I posted and since I've been on the board. About 2 years ago I believe.
Anyway, last time I was here, I asked about putting a girl through college, well she finally graduated as a nurse and will be going to the US to work.
My next "project" is to setup a business for a girl that I met 2 years ago. I know what some are thinking, girls scam guys all the time. I know, I know, I'm not stupid. I don't love the girl, I have real no interest in her nor wish to bang her. I just have this crazy savior complex where I try to help people out. Anyway, I met her 2 years ago, when she was working at a boutique store at the mall. What happened was I tried to pick her up and we ended up going out. Later I find out she's a virgin, I checked, and we just remained friends. We kept in contact and I went to see her a couple of months ago, she was working at another store since her contract with that store ran out. Anyway, I wanted to see, if she was a bullshitter or not because the 2 years since we met, she swears she's still a virgin and was always busy working. I'm a sick guy but I check again and it's legit. So I don't know why, I just want to help her out. I have no desire to screw her nor marry her etc. etc. Just want to help out.
Are there any recommendations for a simple business that can be setup for someone to run. She's seems to be pretty smart and saves well. She makes 5000p a month working but saved up a decent amount of it, when she showed me her bank statement.
I was thinking of a internet cafe in a province somewhere, doesn't need to make much money, I figure even a 5000p profit a month is better for her than busting her hump at a store for 6 days a week.
Any advice appreciated.
Mook
Mook
You should change your name to monk! You're a better man than me, and most of the guys here.
TD
I'm back in Makati after a sexless week in Butuan, Cebu and Panglao Island and am making up for lost time.
Some impressions:
Butuan has nothing going for it and the only foreigners there are those that are accompanying their Filipino wives. It was my birthday during my two days there and I wanted to go to a restaurant and get a decent bottle of wine and have fun. My 'future wife' had no clue where to go so we jumped into a trike and asked the driver for his suggestions. Now this trike was literally falling apart with holes in the floor, tilted at a 45 degree angle, and it would sway from side to side as we went along. The 50cc or so engine couldn't manage more than 10mph and the smoke and smell was something awful. At one point there was a loud bang as we hit a huge pothole and suddenly we were airborne. Thats when I figured out what the piece of fucking rebar was doing, sticking out of the roof of the cab. You're supposed to hold on to it when the trike hits a pothole.
After about a half hour, we pull up in front of a dimly-lit place with a sign saying 'all you can eat--100pesos'. What the fuck! Told the driver to take us to McDonalds, quick. So I ended up celebrating my birthday with a McFish.
A few days later, we took the ferry from Butuan (Nasipit) to Cebu. 10 hours overnight. For 30us, we had a stateroom which was as big as a hotel room with aircon, tv, shower, minibar etc. Very nice. The hordes were up top in these little boxes and communal toilets. Smooth pleasant ride.
Cebu:
Second time here. I like this town. We stayed in the Marriot and traversed the Lahug-Osmena Circle-Port axis and I must say that it seemed much better run than Manila. More green; less poverty; and new buildings going up. It seemed like it was on the move.
Ayala Mall is as nice a mall as any I've seen in the states. We also hit the girly bars; Dimples; Black Hole?; and Silver Dollar. And later the Sunflower Disco but by now I was drunk. I liked the laid back feel of the Dollar but didn't barfine anyone because of the young girl that was with me.
Panglao Island:
A two-hour ferry ride from Cebu takes you to Tagbilaran, Bohol and from there a half hour taxi ride to the resorts on Panglao. We stayed at Bohol Beach Resort a spacious place with a lot of frontage on a nice beach. Food was wack though. Best food is at Alona Palm Resort which is Swiss/German run. Great food there.
Rented a powerboat to go snorkelling at Balincasag Island, about 45 minutes away from Panglao. Great snorkelling and Im sure great diving as there was a 150 foot wall just a few yards offshore. Than back to Manila.
Everywhere we went, the patience, good humor and friendliness of the Filipinos was key to the nice time we had. If we were in the wrong shipping office, the staff would call and or direct us to the right one. Going in the wrong direction? Complete strangers would walk us a whole block to set us straight.
A ready smile or nod of the head will get you far in the PI. Start demanding your 'rights' and I'm not sure what will happen. Probably at the very least, there will be a long wait. The Filipinos are always ready to have a joke and are a lot of fun.
All thoughts of getting married disappeared about 10 minutes after I met my internet girl. She just wasn't as attractive in person and bad breath cannot be detected over the internet. I had promised to take her around and I followed through, buying her stuff etc. We had a good time but its great to get back to Manila and all that well-dressed pussy. I'm going to have to rethink this marriage thing. Maybe I'm just a monger at heart. Thats what my ex says. Not only that, she says that all my friends are mongers and that I consider non-mongers to be pussies.
Now that girl knows a thing or two.
Don
[QUOTE=Mookman]Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I posted and since I've been on the board. About 2 years ago I believe.
Anyway, last time I was here, I asked about putting a girl through college, well she finally graduated as a nurse and will be going to the US to work.
My next "project" is to setup a business for a girl that I met 2 years ago. I know what some are thinking, girls scam guys all the time. I know, I know, I'm not stupid. I don't love the girl, I have real no interest in her nor wish to bang her. I just have this crazy savior complex where I try to help people out. Anyway, I met her 2 years ago, when she was working at a boutique store at the mall. What happened was I tried to pick her up and we ended up going out. Later I find out she's a virgin, I checked, and we just remained friends. We kept in contact and I went to see her a couple of months ago, she was working at another store since her contract with that store ran out. Anyway, I wanted to see, if she was a bullshitter or not because the 2 years since we met, she swears she's still a virgin and was always busy working. I'm a sick guy but I check again and it's legit. So I don't know why, I just want to help her out. I have no desire to screw her nor marry her etc. etc. Just want to help out.
Are there any recommendations for a simple business that can be setup for someone to run. She's seems to be pretty smart and saves well. She makes 5000p a month working but saved up a decent amount of it, when she showed me her bank statement.
I was thinking of a internet cafe in a province somewhere, doesn't need to make much money, I figure even a 5000p profit a month is better for her than busting her hump at a store for 6 days a week.
Any advice appreciated.
Mook[/QUOTE]
Mook, I weould seriously NOT persue the INTERNET idea, lots of start up capitol, high maintainance, which I doubt she has the technical expertise for so she will have to hire a "Tech" who will rob her blind. Two suggestions follow
Have her go into the "Ukay Ukay" business literally translated it means bargain and indicates a second hand clothing store. You indicate she has some experience in this so she should be able to get business license etc for her shop. If she makes it she could branch out into a retail clothing outlet/boutique, buy stuff from Thailand or Hong kong (china) if she has the contacts.
Second I would look into a retail shop selling all kinds of cards ie cell phone, internet, cell phone covers, accessories, Pasa load etc. Lots of such little businesses here and these places do okay.
Good luck
Spam Hog
After mulling it over, I think I'll just send her to nursing school. The internet cafe does sound hard with all the things that can go wrong.
The girl I sent through nursing school went to de la salle university in manila but she attened nursing school previously but left because of financial hardships. This new girl never went to school before but did graduate high school but I have a feeling it'll be hard to get her into school.
I don't know if this is accurate but I've heard from some filipino friend here in the states that they can first go to be a nurses assistant and then try to be a nurse.
I'll be heading over to the PI end of august, drop me a pm for some SM's.
Mook
Senator Don, sorry to hear your trip to Butuan was not too sucessful. I know what you mean with the bad breath. That's a real turn off in my book. They say things happen for a reason.. I think you should consider yourself lucky and get back to the job at hand which is to bang beaver in Manila.
You need to stop listening to that nonsense from people like [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Surfer. He'll try and convince you the real quality is in the boondocks. I say Bullshit. This is the same [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] who will tell you he was listening to your favorite band before they went "commercial".
Anyway, thanks for taking one for the team as I am sure Butuan is a place I need not vist.
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Have to agree about Surfer. Generally, Surfer's posts are noteworthy only for their ability to induce a sudden and uncontrollable bowel movement in the unwary reader. Lately he's been smoking even more weed and has been relentlessly pushing the 'pure monger' thang.
The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves.
Guess what? It dont exist! The Mindy girls are likely to be darker, less educated and probably more traditional.....(read) harder to bang. Throw in the lower standard of living and what have you got........just another pipe dream from Surfer.
Don
Don wrote:
"The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves."
EXACTLY! This is the first intelligent thing you have ever posted here Don. I am impressed that you can be so eloquent.
Don wrote:
"Guess what? It dont exist!"
Despite the poor grammar, again Don hits the nail on the head! It does NOT exist, so why bother searching? Better to stick to known quantities like EDSA complex and Angeles.
You see Don, we CAN agree on something! And if you will stick to telling all how great Manila and Angeles are, then we will get along just fine (and I will even cease commenting when you post racial stereotypes!).
Its true that in the Peninsula Hotel where I am a frequent guest, I am registered as Senator. When one reserves online, there is a choice; admiral, vice-president etc. On a whim, I chose 'senator'. But thats not the whole story.
In order for the staff to believe that you actually are a Senator, you must come across as one. Good looks? They certainly help. But also, a certain....patrician air, shall we say? A sense of self. A presence? Yes, I would say all of that. For sure, when I enter for breakfast, and the female staff twitter among themselves 'its the Senator', and then to me, 'Good morning Senator', I feel at one with the world.
Contrast that with Surfer's entrance into the Peninsula:
Wearing: A filthy LL Bean tshirt with yesterday's alfalfa sprouts on it; a Roll-ur-Own pack dangling from his tattered jeans; 'Peace Now' buttons on his flak jacket, which is emblazoned with the message 'Im a brotha too'. The unwashed smell and the 10' surfboard round out this rude and unwelcome intrusion, leading to.........................the bellboy shouting!
I knew Senators, and Surfer, you ain't no Senator!!!!!!!!!
Don
Hi Don,
Going through your posts you are alway's writing derogatory comments against Surfer. How does the moderator continue to let this happen as Surfer is a great contributor with many valuable reports?. Every report you write it seems to have a flame directed at this man.
[QUOTE=Surfer]Don wrote:
"The 'pure monger' ventures into parts unknown, mostly in Mindy, to discover the mythical female El Dorado, where the girls are pure and a monger like Surfer can romp with these nymphs, without being interrupted by crass, pay-to-play types like ourselves."
EXACTLY! This is the first intelligent thing you have ever posted here Don. I am impressed that you can be so eloquent.
Don wrote:
"Guess what? It dont exist!"
Despite the poor grammar, again Don hits the nail on the head! It does NOT exist, so why bother searching? Better to stick to known quantities like EDSA complex and Angeles.
You see Don, we CAN agree on something! And if you will stick to telling all how great Manila and Angeles are, then we will get along just fine (and I will even cease commenting when you post racial stereotypes!).[/QUOTE]
But surely gentlemen, it's the journey (or the quest if you will) that counts. Not the actual destination. The fun is in the looking, the constant searching, and that quiet feeling of total (almsot total) satisfaction when it appears you may have found the perfect creature. The fact that you haven't is irrelevant because, someday you might.
Whats this about????? Lets talk about the facts at hand. Why all the self richeous bula??Remember you all tell me the same lets get back to topics not shit like this...
He: A dude from Las Vegas. 39. Divorced with kids. Average looks. This is his first trip out of the US.
She: 24. In Manila for a year now via Cebu and Zamboanga Norte. Well-educated and used to manage a Chow King outlet. Had some physical encounters with Mahku a couple of years ago but it's now settled into a 'just friends' status. She's been engaged twice already, both times to guys that she chatted with for few months and met once for about a week. But, surprise surprise, they didn't end up working out.
He and she have been chatting for about a month. He arrived here in Manila at 4 am this morning. I got a text from her at about 11 am. They're now engaged. Who needs to visit the looney bin when you can mingle with people like this?
Mahku, you always have something interesting to say.
First, what flight would put you in Manila at 4am? Maybe she met him at LA cafe at 4am?
Second, "engagement"? Twenty five years ago when I first went to the Philippines I learned the married tonight, divorced tomorrow routine.
Well, I wish the couple the best of luck.
X
After spending 6 weeks in the Phils, I came away with some girls to stay in touch with while I'm away. I've noticed since my last day in the Phils that my favourite of these (from Manila/Pasay) is very jealous. Maybe to the point where I might not want to stay with her. My brother who lives in Asia tells me this is common behaviour among most filipinas. I met a couple of girls in Cebu that I am staying in touch with as well and they seem less so.
Brother has been married to a Thai girl for several years, he thinks they're much better in this regard than filipinas. I didn't spend nearly as much time in BKK as I did in Manila and most of that was with BG's.
Any long-time expats want to comment on this?
It's the PAL flight from Vancouver, which arrives at 4:10 am. I was afraid for the poor guy having his first international trip being a Manila arrival at that hour, with all the taxi barracudas and what not. I thought of offering to go meet him but I had other fish to fu-, er...fry.
I thought of sending her a message today saying, 'So I guess you probably broke up and you got engaged to the next guy...' but thought better of it.
I wish them luck and hope for the best also, but I've seen way too many of these cases to be optimistic.
[QUOTE=X Man]Mahku, you always have something interesting to say.
First, what flight would put you in Manila at 4am? Maybe she met him at LA cafe at 4am?
Second, "engagement"? Twenty five years ago when I first went to the Philippines I learned the married tonight, divorced tomorrow routine.
Well, I wish the couple the best of luck.
X[/QUOTE]
OK, so here's the story... My girlfriend in Manila was a dancer at a club. They let her go because of her age (she's in her mid- to late 30s, depending on how you classify it); however she still loves and wants to dance. For my part, I just want for her to be happy in what she's doing. Unfortunately though, due to her age, it seems as if not many bars/clubs will give her a chance or hire her because of her age. That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.
[QUOTE=Bear Foxtrot]OK, so here's the story... My girlfriend in Manila was a dancer at a club. They let her go because of her age (she's in her mid- to late 30s, depending on how you classify it); however she still loves and wants to dance. For my part, I just want for her to be happy in what she's doing. Unfortunately though, due to her age, it seems as if not many bars/clubs will give her a chance or hire her because of her age. That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.[/QUOTE]No that is overage by local standards,She can try being a dance instructor or you just have to support your own private dancer.She will not be able to get a job,Routinely even in normal companies people over 35 are not hired.They are considered over the hill
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]No that is overage by local standards,She can try being a dance instructor or you just have to support your own private dancer.She will not be able to get a job,Routinely even in normal companies people over 35 are not hired.They are considered over the hill[/QUOTE]
So about the only option left is streetwalker huh?
One of the most prolific and well-informed posters on this list give you an answer, a bit blunt, but very accurate -- and you respond like that?
Okay, here are some more anwers....that everyone would assume you've already comtemplated...
Send her enough to survive...afer all, she IS your "girlfriend". Better yet, marry her. Marry her, and pimp here...hell, that's better than what you suggested in your last post!
Help her start a business. Sari sari stores are cheap. An Internet cafe might have more potential. A dance bar would be better yet!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
X
[QUOTE=Bear Foxtrot]So about the only option left is streetwalker huh?[/QUOTE]
Sorry to be blunt but Unless She is in Junquera Street in Cebu or Sta Cruz in Manila.,Where FS is about 500 pesos,She is also too old for that.Most of clubs are owned by people like "Earl" or "Dave" in Burgos or the KTV s like Pegasus are owned by Uptrend and they do not hire girls over 30.If you care to confirm this I can post the tel nos of the clubs so that you can confirm this policy.Sad,But thats the truth
[QUOTE=Bear Foxtrot]That being said, can any of you guys recommend to me or refer me to any bars/clubs that could or would hire a talented dancer, regardless of the fact that she's a little older than the other girls? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm pretty much in over my head with this one.[/QUOTE]Are you trying to get your girl a job as a GRO? Now I've heard everything. LOL.
Being a local, she should know how things work there. Being let go because she reached her retirement age should not have been a surprise to her. Why don't you suggest she shoot for a mamasan job? Some of the younger mamasans do barfines too if you guys need the extra cash. Course they can't leave the bar until the bar closes for the night but that's only a slight inconvenience for a true mongerer. My buddy tagged a nice 40ish mamasan in Burgos on our last visit back in Feb. He said she nearly broke his back. There's always jobs available for talented girls in the PI. And if she's the mamasan, nobody is gonna tell her she can't get up and dance when the mood hits her.
I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
Salamat
[QUOTE=Finrod]I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
Salamat[/QUOTE]This is a door to door service which generally is used by Filipinos all over the U.S and Canada.It generally does not pay taxes.If your city has no Johnny Air Cargo,Ask any Pinoy,Send it but declare it as product sample so that there is no duty,Do not have the company ship it directly since they would declare it as an order.Hope this helps Cheers
[QUOTE=Cebu Local]This is a door to door service which generally is used by Filipinos all over the U.S and Canada.It generally does not pay taxes.If your city has no Johnny Air Cargo,Ask any Pinoy,[/QUOTE]Throughout the US and Canada Filipino's send these Balikbayan boxes loaded with corn beef, spam, etc to the PI. These are cheap door to door services and the boxes usually come in 3 sizes. The smallest is about 12 x 12 x 18 and will cost about $20 to send. There is no tax, dutiy, etc. You could fill the rest of the box with shampoo, soap, chocolate, etc which your honeyko will appreciate.
Like CL says, if no Johnny Air Cargo there will be other like companies. Just find your local Filipino community and go to any of the stores in the area and ask.
I sent federal express but it is very expensive. 100 dollars for 3 lbs + 40 for duties. You must tell fed express you will be responsible for the fees and must open an account with fed express
However, my advice: do not send anything to philippinas. They will be use it to be more beautiful for their pinoy boyfriends. Dont have philippina girlfriend, they will cheat on you.
[QUOTE=Finrod]I want to get my fave pinay more of a particular mineral supplement to help a health condition she has (not an STD, I can tell you that much). While I was in the Phils last month, I found this supplement to be very expensive there, definitely more expensive than in the US. I'm in the US now: I actually found it even cheaper on the web than in my favourite store. I will have the vendor ship to me since they have free shipping on orders above a certain figure so I would just add my own items to the order.
Questions for the old hands here is:
- What's the best way to get it to her?
- How would I find out how much are the customs duties?
- How to handle paying for the customs duties? It's not likely she'll have enough money to cover that, but I'm sort of against giving her cash directly...
Salamat[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the feedback, especially yours Andresb. I've had a couple of requests for money from other filipinas since I left. Those got turned down flat, I'm not going to do that for anyone there. But the one I'm doing this nutritional supplement thing for seems OK. I know, I know what everyone is saying, heck I don't trust the word "seems". I can say she has not shown any interest in my money so far. Guess we'll see how long that lasts if she is indeed a predator in sheep's clothing. In the meantime, it's not a big deal to my cash flow to do this once or twice until her condition gets better. If it doesn't get better in that time, then it's more than I can handle anyway and I won't take it any further.
In the meantime, I found Johnny Air Cargo here: [url]http://www.johnnyair.com/home.htm[/url]. I'm in the Los Angeles area so I can check them out. The website appears to say that the balikbayan boxes go via ocean cargo ships so they'll take 30-45 days to deliver, that's why the shipping would be so cheap for that.
If this girl is making you happy then go ahead and do whatever you feel like doing. Don't let negative thoughts get in the way of a beautiful friendship. There is an old cliche that has been around for many years that states " a few bad apples on a tree does not make the rest of them bad" and this applies to life as well. I have had many beautiful filipina friends through the years that are very loving and trustworthy, so do not let a few bad apples out there ruin a possible long term friendship for you. Judge them all on a individual basis just like you would want them to look at you. You have very little to lose and everything to gain. The most I see you losing is some time and a little money, big deal. IMHO
[QUOTE=X Man]One of the most prolific and well-informed posters on this list give you an answer, a bit blunt, but very accurate -- and you respond like that?
Okay, here are some more anwers....that everyone would assume you've already comtemplated...
Send her enough to survive...afer all, she IS your "girlfriend". Better yet, marry her. Marry her, and pimp here...hell, that's better than what you suggested in your last post!
Help her start a business. Sari sari stores are cheap. An Internet cafe might have more potential. A dance bar would be better yet!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful day.
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do you think she could still make it as a dancer in the US? There's some big name clubs where I live, also some other lower-key presentable but shabby ones...what do you think her chances would be?
You'd have to marry her to get her here (or bring her as a fiance and marry within 90 days), if she passed the interview. I'd forget that approach.
I am comming to Manila in Oct, there is a girl that wants to come see me from Angeles city. I want to meet her, to see if I like her. But if I don't like her, I don't want to spend the rest of my vacation with her. Does anyone have any advice on getting rid of her if I don't like her. I don't want to be mean to her, but I also don't want to spend the whole week with a girl I don't really like.
Thanks for any advice
[QUOTE=Sixteenvolt182]I am comming to Manila in Oct, there is a girl that wants to come see me from Angeles city. I want to meet her, to see if I like her. But if I don't like her, I don't want to spend the rest of my vacation with her. Does anyone have any advice on getting rid of her if I don't like her. I don't want to be mean to her, but I also don't want to spend the whole week with a girl I don't really like.
Thanks for any advice[/QUOTE]
Be Honest and tell her upfront when you meet her, thats my advice, when you meet her just tell her that you are going to be careful and take things slow with any potential girlfriend, let her know you are NOT a fool to "fall in love" with the first girl you meet (her) and you are being honest with her, tell her you do not want to make a mistake or her part or on yours, if it works, fine if it doesn't it is best if both She and You concentrate on other potential mates. Also you can assuage her feelings should you give her the boot by making sure she has enough money to return to her province, buy her a first class bus ticket, give her a little extra for food, a taxi whatever etc.
These girls understand brutal honesty and they respect a decisive man and an honest one, lie to her & that will injure her more, also by meeting your obligations and responsibilty by seeing that she gets back home okay you have done what an honorable man should.
Good Luck
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