This is also some world class talent usually hanging out at the hotel bar. ;)
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This is also some world class talent usually hanging out at the hotel bar. ;)
I haven't posted in awhile, but I am in Kiev now. River Palace is still good, but there a couple of girls here runnings scams now. One in particular is named Olga / Alexandra -- short, dark hair. She likes to get the money up front (I know, I know, I was drunk) then come up with some excuse to leave abruptly. Anyhoo, lesson learned, but be alert. Cheers.
SR
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Glad I'm not the only one that feels GIA is starting to price itself out of the market.
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Its all about supply and demand. Actually they´d be pretty stupid not to raise prices, as long as they see it has little or no negative effect on demand, so what they are doing is simply maximizing profits, can´t blame them. The problem is there´s simply too much crazy money out there. I was dating a student who works for Kievbeauties, she only gets 50 percent of the cash for herself, but is still making 5 to 10 K every month! On my last evening in Kiev I was waiting for her, we had planned to visit a restaurant. She called me and told me to pick her up at Premier Palace. When I arrived I asked her what that was all about. Her answer: some crazy American had just payed her 500 dollars for a short visit, they didn´t even have sex, they only talked and drank whiskey for about an hour!
No wonder prices are going up...
About Kievbeauties: she´ll hate me for writing this, but it´s not really a big secret, is it?
-none of the pics are real, even the pics that show faces are fake.
-rates for the girls vary from 200 to 500 dollars for 2 hours. Don´t even think about paying 500 dollars for any girl! What might happen is you´ll be seeing the same girl you payed 200 dollars a day before or 300 dollars the week before. They will send you whoever is working that day and sort of fits the description of the girl you ordered. If you confront them with this fact they´ll just make up some silly excuse.
[QUOTE=Jetlagged]Tonit66. No problem bringing girls into the Premier Palace but you have to register them. No fee just a formality and no shit from the staff. [/QUOTE]
Girls normally have to pay a small amount to security at Premier Palace, about 20 dollars.
It seems that Kiev, I’m not there since last year, has overtaken Moscow in crazy prices.
For 300 EUR (approx 380 USD) you can get much more in Moscow… Thinking it’s even a corporate rate! It should be much less. As far as I know the difference between corporate and rack rate are approx. 30-40 %, I’m often travelling at these rates too, specially in Northern Europe where you get a Club Room (best in hotel, just under the roof, 23rd floor) for approx. 95 Euro (I’m talking on the hotel in the Fair in Gothenburg, Gothia Towers, Sweden, a new, good, four star). The rack rate is approx 160.
At Sovietsky, in Moscow, for instance you get a suite (100 square meters!) for 375 Euro!
By the way an hotel with no girl problems, just handle over some Euros 10-15 or USD to the security, and they will check also the girl out so she do not steal anything… is the hotel MIR, surely not a world class hotel but for less than one Third you can get this... (and it's Rack Rate!)
[url]http://www.hotelmir.kiev.ua/rooms/109.html[/url]
Which still is nothing compared to Moscow… Kiev seems to be one of the most expensive cities in the world… 500 USD for a long night with Yana (at Gia)! You can get a photo model for 500 USD in Moscow!!!
Last time I was in Ukraine I was staying (with Mistery Tramp! :) ) in a less funny normal double room still unrenovated, but acceptable, I had no time to look at it.
The positive things of hotel Mir are:
Quiet, no working girls in the lobby, easily handed security, night club with a lot of girls just five metes from the door, near to the Fair Ground, if you like you can even walk (15 min)
Negative
Soviet standard, a corridor maid at every floor with keys, but if the security left you though she will say nothing, Poor Breakfast, Poor Restaurant and even worse bar, but there is a shop with all the drinks you need always open. No access to the metro or to the centre in walking distance.
IT
At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
Anyone who is stupid enough (sorry all you guys who do it) to pay the room rates at Priemer Palace are stupid enough to pay a girl $500 for an hour of nothing - btw $500/hr will buy you a top notch escort in any western country. Some people just have more money then they know what to do with.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer] I was dating a student who works for Kievbeauties, she only gets 50 percent of the cash for herself, but is still making 5 to 10 K every month! On my last evening in Kiev I was waiting for her, we had planned to visit a restaurant. She called me and told me to pick her up at Premier Palace. When I arrived I asked her what that was all about. Her answer: some crazy American had just payed her 500 dollars for a short visit, they didn´t even have sex, they only talked and drank whiskey for about an hour!
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Crusier,
I must say I agree in most of the ways, if you see at Moscow section you will see some on my reports just on prices.
In the west a corporate rate for the Premier could be 150-180 (USD non Euro)
Same for the girls, now i do not remember where but I still saw some ads for 900 RUR (30 USD) hour in Kazan, If you go to province, small cities, it' half or even much less.
I have been both in the rural Ukraine, where you find nice naive girls, no pros, getting some more money, teens usually at 20-40 USD/hour (with Middleman) they perhaps get 10 or 15.
This is what it's real!
Last time i was in Kiev (2005) we met some girls at the disco near the Central MArket, at the end we arrived in a restaurant and one of this girls was just begging to be fucked for the night for 50 USD, but we were all to drunk!
IT
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
Anyone who is stupid enough (sorry all you guys who do it) to pay the room rates at Priemer Palace are stupid enough to pay a girl $500 for an hour of nothing - btw $500/hr will buy you a top notch escort in any western country. Some people just have more money then they know what to do with.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
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I´ve known this girl for a year now and seen her lifestyle, she does make that much, even if you might have to deduct one or two K for pure bragging. I never give her any money, so I don´t see what benefit she could have from lying. I´m not saying that any girl can make that kind of money, very few have the talent, but some girls do have the skills and the looks to really screw you big style. She pockets 1000-1500 for 24 hours, many regular visitors take her for the weekend or even a couple of days. Just ad the occasional tips, and it quickly sums up to a couple of K working only the weekends and seeing maybe 4-6 guys if she´s lucky.
[QUOTE=It Travel]
By the way an hotel with no girl problems, just handle over some Euros 10-15 or USD to the security, and they will check also the girl out so she do not steal anything… is the hotel MIR, surely not a world class hotel but for less than one Third you can get this... (and it's Rack Rate!)
[url]http://www.hotelmir.kiev.ua/rooms/109.html[/url]
The positive things of hotel Mir are:
Quiet, no working girls in the lobby, easily handed security, night club with a lot of girls just five metes from the door, near to the Fair Ground, if you like you can even walk (15 min)
Negative
Soviet standard, a corridor maid at every floor with keys, but if the security left you though she will say nothing, Poor Breakfast, Poor Restaurant and even worse bar, but there is a shop with all the drinks you need always open. No access to the metro or to the centre in walking distance.
IT[/QUOTE]I was at the MIR a year ago and didn't think much of it then.
There were girls in the lobby every night and I did indulge in desperation, about $100USD which was certainly over-priced for the goods. She looked a lot better in her white leather boots and miniskirt than out of them!
There was a tiny strip club in the hotel complex, but I don't remember the talent - it could not have been any good if I ended up with the lobby girl!
But at least there would have been no surprises...
Some other guys got called in their rooms by girls, so the hotel is certainly set up for internal sales at least. In retrospect I should have tried the key girl on my floor, who was better looking by far than any of the pros!
The main problem with the MIR is that it is so far from downtown and the rest of the action. Plus cab drivers were constantly trying to overcharge us (English speakers) even after we knew and told them the correct fare.
It was my first trip to Kiev and, without having had the benefit of this forum, I was a babe in the woods and not able to take advantage of the obvious pleasures the city had to offer - but it sure whetted my appetite to return, better prepared!
GT
There are a few girls in Kiev who make that kind of money but they are the ones who have a sponsor. The sponsor is usually a married guy, perhaps in the Goverment, who gives them $3-4000 a month expecting exclusivity, and then at weekends when he's with his family, his beautiful young mistress does a little freelancing. In Kiev the name of the game is survival.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]I´ve known this girl for a year now and seen her lifestyle, she does make that much, even if you might have to deduct one or two K for pure bragging. I never give her any money, so I don´t see what benefit she could have from lying. I´m not saying that any girl can make that kind of money, very few have the talent, but some girls do have the skills and the looks to really screw you big style. She pockets 1000-1500 for 24 hours, many regular visitors take her for the weekend or even a couple of days. Just ad the occasional tips, and it quickly sums up to a couple of K working only the weekends and seeing maybe 4-6 guys if she´s lucky.[/QUOTE]
If you are going to spend western rates on a girl in EE why bother leaving the west? I think a lot of guys don't realize what they have in their own backyard.
You can still find a 7+ to sponsor for 1-2k/month. 3-4k/month isn't survival in Kiev - it's survival in a top tier western city - in Kiev it is very good living. Perspective gentlemen!
I well know this, but the same is said on Izmailovo, it usually depends on the kind of room you have, we can say 1, 2, 3 and 4 stars....
I was saying thre in 2004 a week, (Fairgound in Walking distance) and as you I undersood the centrum is very far... (but I had a company driver!)
In my visit despite I never saw girls in the lobby (perhaps it's renovated now, thy where going on with some), but at the Night the girls were nice and young, at most 20-21. Laps and so on, not my syle, but some could be got on the room for a couple of hours for 100-150.
Instead I phoned an Agency (advertised on Kiev Post) and got the Mistery Tramp.
Only for knowing wich kind of room did you get... I got a really big one with office, and so on, just the taste was shit, nearly black tapestry!
IT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I was at the MIR a year ago and didn't think much of it then.
There were girls in the lobby every night and I did indulge in desperation, about $100USD which was certainly over-priced for the goods. She looked a lot better in her white leather boots and miniskirt than out of them!
There was a tiny strip club in the hotel complex, but I don't remember the talent - it could not have been any good if I ended up with the lobby girl!
But at least there would have been no surprises...
Some other guys got called in their rooms by girls, so the hotel is certainly set up for internal sales at least. In retrospect I should have tried the key girl on my floor, who was better looking by far than any of the pros!
The main problem with the MIR is that it is so far from downtown and the rest of the action. Plus cab drivers were constantly trying to overcharge us (English speakers) even after we knew and told them the correct fare.
It was my first trip to Kiev and, without having had the benefit of this forum, I was a babe in the woods and not able to take advantage of the obvious pleasures the city had to offer - but it sure whetted my appetite to return, better prepared!
GT[/QUOTE]
Hi all,
I'll be back in Kiev this Saturday. Will probably do Art 112, Caribbean and shooters over the weekend if anyone is interested in a beer.
IL
When I wrote about girls being sponsored for $3,000 - $4000 a month I meant by wealthy Ukrainian guys not us western mongerers. It may seem like a lot of money but when you take into consideration the price of renting an apartment near the centre plus the monthly visits to the hairdresser/beauty salon and then food, utility bills including mobile phone charges, which these Ukrainian girls spend half their lifes on, and some of them have been given cars/jeeps you can see that it would be easy to spend that kind of money.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]If you are going to spend western rates on a girl in EE why bother leaving the west? I think a lot of guys don't realize what they have in their own backyard.
You can still find a 7+ to sponsor for 1-2k/month. 3-4k/month isn't survival in Kiev - it's survival in a top tier western city - in Kiev it is very good living. Perspective gentlemen![/QUOTE]
I know the "going rate" in Odessa is circa 1,200 per month. I guy is paying 1,500 as he "pitched" too high. But he's happy with the arrangement. When he's not around, one of his mates keeps an eye on her to make sure she is behaving. No prizes for guessing how close that eye is.
It's an arrangement that is quite normal in Ukraine. See some of the dating sites for example. Many girls of course work for a living but there is a large percentage that would never consider doing so. They view their looks as their assets and I can't really argue with that. There's always a market for this.
IL