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Having been in Bangkok for the past 20 years I can assure you this year is even less people. Its not girls telling me, I can actually see it as well.
What do you think about June 2012, as opposed to June 2010/11?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1293843]This sounds like a typical low season. IME TGs will give you the story at any time of the year about few customers. When the rains come you get "cannot go to you today. My home rain to much!" IOW I don't want to get my hair wet. Want to eat som tam, smoke yaba and sleep all day.
Euro 2012. The Euro dollar & economy are ruining it for European 2012 mongering in LOS. LOL. Maybe try again in lucky number 13, if the world hasn't ended.
IME that will change by July.
As for a bunch of men chasing a round ball, flopping and often purposely diving to the ground when barely touched, with much crying and writhing in great agony, do they not have TV's in LOS? Do fans give up on sex for the tourny? I'm sure most Euros love their "football" 2012 more than playing footsies in bed, especially if it's a lame 3 minutes every time.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808; 1293969]Hide the sausage.
Judging from the banter on here, it's not very popular in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Of course it is! Every second ISG member coming to Thailand is coming to hide his sausage.
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[QUOTE=Humilde; 1293702]My sources; bi lingual educated thai's, thai fluent expats.
Nana Area; Soi 7 Beer Garden. Should be "Fear Garden" due toe % of nasty acting, looking FL's. Most of the FL there are at same / similar to level of FL's in BKK Chinatown (Yaowarat) that get 500 baht ST room included. Massage on Petchaburi Road includes room, bath, happy happy for 12-1400 ST afternoon special (Angelina) and you get safety knowing it is highly unlikely you will get robbed. Rachada Road (High Class Massage) many cute polite staff to choose.
1900 baht. Way better than Fear Garden. Many more places also.
Fear Garden FL not there cause they like sex. They like money and hope to find a foreigner dumb / ignorant enough to give them 3X or more market value. Then you likely get mediocre service at best from someone that could be an immigrant from "planet of the apes". Actually an insult to the fictional inhabitants of "planet of the apes" since they evolved into a logical intelligent society.
Then if that weren't enough, you may need to listen to one of the many "sympathy story scripts" designed to extract even more money from you. Even if the FL's were all beautiful LOL, Thai males have zero interest in listening to these stories, even if one is occasionally true.
Even if you find a sweet young thing at a disco, odds are against good service and enjoyment as even mainstream women are not particularly good lovers. Then you may encounter the "I hurt" or "Tickles" or "I finish I go" Lord knows why Thailand became so famous for the sex business, it's certainly not based on quality but probably quantity.
Fear Garden FL's would love to see them post a sign "Entry limited to first time in Thailand males"[/QUOTE]Well, While I agree with much of this post, I am puzzled. Did you actually go to these places and look for yourself? (You quote your "sources").
I don't agree that "Fear Garten" is for newbies in Thailand. I think most of the patrons are not newbies, but more so bargain hunters and guys that go there regularly. Some one correct me if I got the wrong impression. In years gone by I did use Thermae, but not so recently, and I think looks of girls there are better than Beer Garten. I have been to Beer Gerten a few times, but never actually succumbed. Getting a cheap nasty looking girl doesn't interest me. I have also been to Angelinas and Hi Class. Mostly I didn't take a girl, as same problem, no one with looks to interest me. However I did have one or two nice girls from there. I am always willing to take a look in Hi Class because its conveniently located close to Emmanuelle, Nataree, Colonze 2, and even Copa Cabana is a very short motorcycle ride away.
These days I tend to go regularly to La Belle, Amsterdam, Copa Cabana, with the last one being better value, but the first one having best girl selection. I also use several oilies but try to limit myself to superior looking girls. I doesn't excite me sexually to fuck ugly girls any more. I would only do it as a sympathy service.
Thailand has become famous for sex business for several reasons. From a punter point of view, its the very high probabilty of getting a reasonable GFE session compared to other countries, and a reasonable price. The attitude of girls is often better than westeners. Hookers in my home country are crap. Short session time and very mechanical. Lucky if you would find 1 in 10 to give you a good time. In Thailand, it won't break the bank to take a pretty and hot bodied girl away with you on a several day holiday, for guys with no GF / wife. This used to cost very little 20 years ago, but still possible today. This cannot be afforded in most of our home countries and finding the right girl would be tough.
From the general public point of view, its very unfortunate that we have the ugly Phat Pong shows and they are now creeping into Cowboy as well e. G. Long Gun. In Phuket and Pattaya we have the streets just full of bar girls and ladyboys, and in Sukhumwit there are hundreds of suspect massage parlours. The number of hookers in Bangkok must trully be an astonishing number. I have nothing against hookers myself, but the general public looks down on this sort of thing, being puritanical. Thailand gets more publicity for its P4P sex scene, simply because its better and more popular than most other countries.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1294035]The number of hookers in Bangkok must trully be an astonishing number. I have nothing against hookers myself, but the general public looks down on this sort of thing, being puritanical. Thailand gets more publicity for its P4P sex scene, simply because its better and more popular than most other countries.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is quite amazing the amount of hookers, not only the obvious ones but the part-timers or weekend warriors. (I guess this would be like struggling LA girls going to Vegas and prowling for johns on the strip)
In pursuit of free girls, I met a very cute girl from DAteInAsia and she seemed to be on the level, good girl who bust her ass at a real job. However, she was a bit reserved and didn't reveal much of herself and I noticed not the typical happy go lucky girl you often encounter when chatting with. But I still would have placed a small wager that she wasn't a hooker.
A few weeks later she's on Thaifriendly with some interesting pics and was dressed up "hooker style". I asked her where she was in one of those pics, and she replied,"Spasso's" LOL
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1293957]Now that we're on the subject, what cliche would characterize the USA? (I'm not saying Americans caus I don't include Canada and South America).
Enlighten me?[/QUOTE]"Ugly American" comes to mind.
Sometimes it fits; sometimes not. Clearly, when it comes to American politicians, it fits.
Americans are catching up to the French in that regard, but still have a long way to go.
(And I don't think any Canadian would appreciate being called an American; though admittedly from North America, I've never heard of one who refered to himself that way; nor have I ever heard of a South American refer to himself as an American, perhaps because they desire their own identity when it comes to nationality.)
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[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1294057]A few weeks later she's on Thaifriendly with some interesting pics and was dressed up "hooker style". I asked her where she was in one of those pics, and she replied,"Spasso's" LOL[/QUOTE]There may be very little difference in behaviour of "normal" girls and hookers, if they are of the part time variety and not in a very bad influencing environment like the bar. The main difference is purely whether they are looking for a guy just for the sex, or for something else, and whether they will accept money from the guy or not. There are border-line girls too who maybe would fuck for free but on the other hand may accept money too. Then there is another category of girl who is expecting money, but is still very picky about which guy she wants. She might be looking for a good time and some pocket money thrown in. I have the greatest respect for this last category, within the scope of P4P. Others are looking for a husband, but fucking the prospects and taking money to pay the bills till they get a husband hooked. I prefer the ones not looking for a husband.
If a girl really likes sex with Farangs, and has a poorly paid job, and not enough sex, why not become at least a part time freelancer and pick up guys, and some pocket money? Only problem with this plan really is the stigma of being labelled a "hooker". Its only the girls who don't mind fucking anyone at all, that I tend to respect less. E. G. An oily girl complains that she doesn't like a fair percentage of her agressive psycho customers, even regulars, but still works there because she is busy and the money is too good to pass up. Too many family members to support on her own.
I am not sure if your average "normal" Thai girl would really go on these dating web sites. It takes a certain personality to do so, which is probably not your average shy and demure Thai girl. Perhaps there would be strong disagreement of this statement, but I certainly know Thai girls who would not do this. Far too prim and proper.
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Father's Day
Maybe just off thr topic.
Happy Father's Day. May all your children running around in Thailand give you their respect. At least I hope so, if they know who you are. :)
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;1294165]I am not sure if your average "normal" Thai girl would really go on these dating web sites. It takes a certain personality to do so, which is probably not your average shy and demure Thai girl. Perhaps there would be strong disagreement of this statement, but I certainly know Thai girls who would not do this. Far too prim and proper.[/QUOTE]I strongly disagree with that as you expected some would do. I have run into many normal / traditional women from dating sites. Even in the Americas meeting someone online still carries a stigma, but this IS 2012 and for people who are comfortable with technology in addition to wanting to find a mate will put some of the prim and proper "traditional" shit to the wind and go for it. One of the first women I ever met on TLL was a bartender on the artist soi. I went to see her at her job and when she got off work she came and spent the night with me at the Nana. She was very shy though. She didn't allow any funny business. She even slept fully clothed. You think this girl works around this stuff everyday so surely...; but that was not the case. In addition one of my "gf" who I met on another website last year just said this to me the other day when I told her I wanted to go to her room instead of her always coming to mine,"If everybody see you at my room it's not good for me. It's not good for me because I'm a thai teacher and I'm a lady."
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[QUOTE=Irish Mongrel; 1293998]Transited through Bangkok a couple of weeks ago and had a choice to make, stay at a hotel near the airport and be bored, or head to a hotel near Sukhumvit and have some fun. Went for the later choice and had some fun. Stayed in the Grand Majestic on Soi 2, good little hotel, close to the action and easy to get too / from the airport.
[U][B]Night 1[/B][/U]
Had plans to walk round as many bars as possible, having a couple of beers as I go, look for a girl of choice and bar fine at some point. Started in the pool bar just down from Annie's at about 4pm. Few OK looking girls there, and a few more started to arrive whilst I supped on a beer, but nothing of great interest, and most of the girls looked as if they had seen better days. Moved one bar down and generally the same. Decided it was time for food (the edible kind) and went round to the Irish Bar on Soi 4 and sat outside watching the world go by whilst having a few more beers and getting some sustenance into my system. Was a great place to watch the world go by, plenty of eye contact, plenty of approaches and certainly enough lookers walking up and down to the street to keep my interest up. Decided to move on to the bar at the entrance to Nana Plaza. Have sat in here on previous visits, always a good place to watch the talent going into Nana when it's too early to hit the clubs themselves. My plan had been to have a couple of beers then head into the Plaza. This plan disappeared when I started to talk to a couple of the "waitresses". Jai and Fon. Ended up stying in here for a few hours and then going WTF. And bar fined both of them. 600 baht for each. We headed off towards the hotel but decided to stop off at the pool bar I had previously been in. The look on the face of the girls who had seen me earlier was interesting. The old "missed chance". Anyway, after a couple of games of pool it was back to the hotel. No problems getting the girls into the hotel. Didn't even get asked for I'd. By the time we reached back to the hotel I had 4 1/2 hours before I had to head to the airport (had a 7am flight to catch) , so things needed to start happening quickly. I had a quick shower then headed to the bed, the girls headed off to the bathroom then it was a sort of free for all. They mixed up who was giving the BBBJ and who was going DATY. They banged heads charging for the BBBJ. What a problem. Had a couple of hours bouncing around in the bed, as you would do with two girls. Then decided to let one go, hell I needed at least one hours sleep before a dawn surprise and a taxi to the airport. Gave each of the girls 2000 baht. Would classify them as nothing spectacular but where a good laugh. Fon appeared to be the one who enjoyed herself more, certainly didn't need any lubrication!
[U][B]Night 2[/B][/U]
On my return back through, a few days later, I met up with a non-mongering friend for a few beers (he lives in Bangkok). I'd walked past the bar that I'd picked up Jai and Fon from, and they where there, said my hellos, then headed off to meet my mate. After a few beers we headed down towards Nana (he may not monger but he does have fun in the bars). Called back into the bar and the girls weren't there. Not that I was aiming to bar fine them again, but would have had some fun in the bar with them. The other girls in the bar tried to spin some stories that they had to go off and sort out some personal business and would be back, just had to wait around. Laughed that one off, do they really think we're that dumb. They'd been bar fined, why don't they just say that. Anyway, we had one drink then headed into the Plaza. First stop was Spankies. Have had a couple of fun non-mongering nights in here before and there was a few girls that recognized me. There were a few good looking girls, some I would happily have had some fun with, but not a lot. Had a few beers, drank some shots then my friend wanted to move on so we went next door to Angel Witch. The selection of girls in there was a lot better. After we ordered drink we pulled down a couple of girls from the stage. My mate was actually getting close to going home time and he knew I was hanging around, and I thought I'd made my choice for the night, untill she sat down beside me and smiled. Ahhhhhh, braces. She was a gorgeous looking girl, but sorry, I aint letting anybody near my tackle with braces on. So with my mate gone, and staring at braces I decided to drink up and move on. Next stop DC-10, OK, that's a mistake, small narrow bar, low quality girls, one beer, then next bar. Decided to hit Rainbow 4. Sat down, ordered a drink and admired the view. Lot's of good looking girls (in my view) , so decided it was just a matter of choosing one and heading off to the hotel. That decision was made easier when I was approached by a girl that I would classify as a 7 or 8, a few pleasantries and we're heading out the door at about 10pm. Now my biggest problem is I tend not to negotiate what I'm after and this girl ended up being what I would classify as a dud. My fault, so I can't complain. This was a CBJ girl, hell hadn't come across one of those in a long time. Not much to say about the time in bed. Couple of hours of rolling around, not star fish, but close. Not something I would repeat (can remember her face, but not her name). Anyway. 600baht + 2000baht and two hours later, it's midnight, and I'm lying on my bed, thinking it's 5 1/2 hours till I have to be at the airport. Smart brain says sleep, dumb brain says sod it, you're in Bangkok, you can sleep on the plane. So, it's up and at them, quick shower and change and it's off we go. I pretty much had a girl in mind. As mentioned earlier I had been in Spankies a few times (not including the current) , and the last time I was there with my non-mongering mate he pulled the girl with the biggest set of plastic fantastic's in the bar and had proceeded to fondle the hell out of them and her for a couple of hours. We had a drink with her earlier in the evening and I decided I need to have a go at them myselfmyself. So back to Spankies I went and there she was shuffling on the stage. She recognized me and came down and sat beside me. She drinks tequila shots for ladies drink, and had already had a few, so I'm dealing with a drunk girl. This can go one of two ways. Dud or over the top. Anyway, dumb brain engaged I bar fined her and off she went to get changed. She came back in what you could call a dress, with the fun bags just sitting out front. What a sight. Problem 1 arose at that point. She had washed off her make-up and she wasn't the best looking of girls underneath it. Definitely had suffered from an acne problem before. Dumb brain in gear. Let's go anyway. I've paid the bar fine. So off we went to the hotel. By the time we got back to the room I had a giggling girl ripping her clothes off as she walked thru the door. She charged into the bathroom for a quick shower, were I joined in and the fun really started. This girl was up for everything and anything. She drooped down to start a really nice BBBJ in the shower, but with all the beer and a two hour season just completed that was going to take a while, so I pulled her into the bedroom and decided to dine on some nice Thai pussy. This girl really got into that and it wasn't hard to figure out that she was enjoying herself. She was in full flow and grinding my head into her. The next thing she is grabbing my fingers and pushing them into her and then starts to play with her ass. Ah well, time to make up for the dud two hours ago, and to be less than subtle, and hell this is a forum for guys that want to know, by the time I was finished with this girl she could just about take a full hand in either her pussy or her ass and she was soaking the bed. By now I was up and raring to go and we had sex in many positions in both holes finally ripping of my condom and exploding over her back a couple off hours after we had hit the room. By now it was supposedly two hours to taxi time and we where exhausted. Decision made to see how quickly I can get thru BKK airport and decided that I was definitely up for a dawn strike with this one. She curled over beside me, with my hand just about inside her again and she went off to sleep. Two hours later, the alarm goes and it's repeat session. Must admit, was a really good night. The only girl I have had better with is a regular freebie I have in Jakarta who may as well be a porn star actress. So all in all, as far as looks go I would have given this girl a 5 to 6, but service up around the 9 to 10. Easy to pick out in Spankies. Very slim, massive set of silicon tits, and a massive tattoo on her left shoulder of a dragon wrapped around a tiger. Buy her some drinks. It was definitely worth it, and I would definitely go there again. Unfortunately I just don; t make it to Bangkok too often. (cost was the standard 600 + 2000)
On another point, with reference to some comments earlier in the thread, there where 3 "Indian" looking guys sitting in front of me, so if you have problems getting into some of the other bars head to Spankies. They seem to be less discriminatory. Have fun.[/QUOTE]I'd like to nominate this post as a Report of Distinction. Great great full report!
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[QUOTE=Big Bob II;1294289]Great great full report![/QUOTE]Anyway, no need to quote the hole review
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[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1294330]Anyway, no need to quote the hole review[/QUOTE]Yes its quite cumbersome on a tablet or mobile.
and fwiw regarding differentiating good girls from "bad" girls is to ask for her FB information and if there are many pics of her work, family, kids, and other wholesome pics, usually she's not a p4p type. if she has mostly webcam and party pics with few pics of her family, watch out! but then again, I usually don't care because i'm often only after sex, not a relationship, but i still like to know their motivations and prefer to have free sex with internet girls.
i would agree though, the typical thai girl isn't going to meet farang on the internet but everyone is different and you can't generalize too much. A few weeks ago i met a hot girl at Emporium, had some pizza with her, she was 30, nice tits, , but looked not a day over 21 and still had a schoolgirl voice. She came from money i could tell, had nice diamond rings, expensive haircut, and drove a Camry which is 40K USD in Thai.. she said her ex-bf was broke english teacher, to the point where she would always pay for everything, but then again its only her side of the story lol.. She said she prefers farang guys, so who knows some girls no matter what are wired differently. and guys who say that all Thai girls want money and are cut throat must surely be jaded or only try to have GF with bar girls or freelancers...
compared to Western chicks, it seems Thai girls go through their rebellion phase later in life,compared to the USA where in High School, many of the white girls banged the star running back or basketball player(usually a black guy) and then that same girl 10-15 years later on FB, she's married to a nerd accountant and has a stable soccer mom type of life..
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1294011]Dismal? That may be your best chance of having real sex, albeit higher risk, unless you take precautions. See Safe Sex thread for more details or elaboration.[/QUOTE]Actually I find the best sex to be in the oilies, no contest.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1294011]Domain? Fuck the Japs! Many girls here are hot, just offer substantially more than them, like 6000 baht, and you are good to go! But other than doing that, which I've never actually tried, I've had as good experiences here as BG, namely few and far between. So just walk up to any girl you love and say "Can I take you short time for 10 thousand baht" & report back here how it went. And thank me later. LOL. If she says ok, then say how about 5000, 3000, etc, and see how low she will go. LOL.
Maybe 10% of freelancers there & in the area nearby are worthy of repeats IME & IMO. At times, if you are lucky, you can pick up a stunner for that price, I. E. Young very cute petite uni girl in a school girl uniform.[/QUOTE]If I was single, I would probably be willing to put a bit more effort into things and effort it does require to get good performance out of these girls. Go to an ST Hotel and you are likely to get rushed service from most of the Tmae girls and I think 2k is a bit much for rushed service. For 1 hundred baht more I get 90 min at an oily, never rushed and pop as many times as I can.
Again, if I am in the mood for a quickie, then the Lot is not so bad. However, I have ended the last two sessions with Lot girls quite quickly because I heard,"Mai ow" too much.
Guess I expect a gal to perform like a porn star out of the gate, be experienced in seduction, and have a well developed skill set in the sack. I want nasty, wet, intense sex from the moment I hit the room. That is what I am paying for. I don't want to instruct and I don't want sweetness, romance, or inexperience.
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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1294409]Actually I find the best sex to be in the oilies, no contest.[/QUOTE]All things considered, I actually agree with that