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It's in Portuguese, but pretty much everything you need to know about upcoming events in the Vila is here, along with a history of the neighborhood and its connections to the old "Mangue" zona of the early 20th century:
[url]http://www.vilamimosa.com.br/index.php?meio=capa[/url]
Mostly, it's info for sex trade workers, but the "Eventos" page usually has information regarding upcoming parties and/or events:
[url]http://www.vilamimosa.com.br/index.php?meio=eventos[/url]
about this time of the year (october/november), the rio de janeiro federal police generally start making some symbolic busts in order to show the mouth-breathers watching rede globo that the state is "on top of the problem" of sexual tourism and prostitution.
last year's "arrest season" began with a raid on an innocuous gringo owned internet sex joint operating in city center. while of dubious legality, the bust gathered quite a lot of positive press for the feds. this year, however, the blitz season seems to be getting underway with increased pressure on vila mimosa.
doesn't look too dangerous for the average monger yet, but folks planning on visiting the vila in the next couple of months are well-advised to carry their passports (or xeroxed and registered copies thereof), go in groups and ask to see the i.d. of any hired help, especially if they look a little on the young side.
from "terra news", 10/7/2005...
"blitz arrests three recruiters of **** prostitutes in rio de janeiro.
a blitz targeting the exploitation of ****d prostitutes arrested three recruiters last friday night in vila mimosa, rio de janeiro. among those detained were two female managers of a brothel and a taxi driver who transports garotas de programa.
25 young women were also detained after searches in bars, nightclubs and restraunts in the neighborhood. according to the jornal do globo, 11 of these women were later found to be ****d and without documents. [tn: how they knew they were ****d if they had no documents is beyond me. it looks like a case of presuming that she who has no documents must be ****d. but surely our friends in the federal police would never be that amateur... right?].
the group was taken to a local social work institute.
vila mimosa is one of the most well-known red-light districts in the fluminense capital."
Lots of questions...
1) Based on everything I've heard and read and everything most people who study this topic have heard and read, I believe that it is very, very unlikely that a prostitute enjoys sex with the average client. It is a job, not a joy. That doesn't mena they hate it, either, just that it's work, like any other work and nothing to get excited over. When prostitutes talk among themselves here in Rio, it is a constant source of amazement to them how many of their clients seem to feel that they are doing the job for fun and not money. Now, occasionally, I'm sure, a pro does cum with a client, but based on everything I've seen and heard, it's very, very rare...
2) How can I study pros without fucking them? Let's turn that question around, shall we, Marak? How can you make presumptions about pros without ever having BEEN one? While I've not ever turned tricks, I've worked as an erotic dancer, had plenty of prostitute friends, both male and female, so I'd have to say that my subjective, personal experience in this area is pretty good.
But you don't need to do everything someone does in order to study what they do, Marak. You don't have to deal drugs to study drug dealing. You don't have to BE a Yanomami Indian to study Yanomami Indians. In short, you don't have to have the exact same experience as someone does in order to analyze said experience.
Well Macu, we are waiting your response.
P
Mac,
Sorry that it turned out this way and it's good to see that you are still posting.Though I may not have agreed with everything you said,but you provide different side to this whole scene.That being said,having been with Rio GDP,I believe there are a handful that enjoy sex and the fact that they are getting paid for it.I have seen it myself.I have seen girls make sure that the cum,whether the trick makes it happen or they do it themselves.Also Ive seen garotas becoming disappointed when you finish before they do.I know that most of these garotas fake it and try to get you off as soon as possible,but there are quite a few exceptions, based on my experience,observations and conversations.It seems that some just try to make the best of a bad situation that they are in.
Don't get me wrong,I don't buy 99% of the stuff these garotas say.I couldn't care less if a ***** that Im paying to service me cums or not.If she acts like she is into it and gives me a happy ending,then she earned her reais, lol.
Seems to me that Macuniama studying prostitution and mongering without being either is no different from most anthropological or sociological studies -- in some ways maintaining a distance from the subject allows a more objective perspective. The challenges Macu has are avoiding the Margaret Mead phenomenon (the objects of study behave differently when you are observing them), and designing statistically valid observations when the quality of data is so poor. Having once run a research company myself, I don't envy Macu having to tease out meaningful findings from either this board or from the GDPs.
The extended discussion on whether GDPs enjoy sex with their clients is one where I will firmly stake out a wishy washy position in the middle. In an earlier post on this thread Macu says (I'm paraphrasing here) the average GDP does not have an orgasm with the average client. To me that seems self-evidently true (too many clients, not enough warmup time, etc) but a bit misleading -- most of us do not consider ourselves average clients (we are the Lake Woebegon children of mongering). There are some pretty well documented and validated physiological indicators of whether a woman is sexually aroused and has an orgasm (see Masters & Johnson, Human Sexual Response, 1968); these are easy to observe on a fair skinned woman. In my personal experience with pros in Brasil (sample locations limited to Rio, Salvador, Foz Iguazu) there have been three out of (at a guess) 30 who had legitimate orgasms -- in each case, women who I had seen several times and with whom I had developed a bit of a relationship. Some of the others did a really good job of faking orgasms, though, and did produce quite a bit of natural lubrication, indicating some degree of arousal, which works for me.
The one other data point I'll offer is my quasi namorada when I'm in Rio, who I met while producing a music video there about three years ago. At the time she claimed to work in advertising, and only after we had been dating for about a year did she admit that she was a GDP (after I asked how she could afford to own an apartment in a good neighborhood, a nice car, great clothes, etc on the salary of an advertising go-fer). Last April - July she worked in Spain (saving almost 30,000 euros over four months -- I'm impressed) before returning to Brasil, and she is now trying to decide whether to work in Spain again. On the one hand, she makes way more money in Spain (the market in Rio is very competitive for high end freelancers); on the other hand Spanish men are lousy lovers. In Spain her clients buy a half hour of her time, finish in 15 minutes, and leave; in Brasil they hire her for two hours and make active use of the full time (she only takes cariocas as clients in Rio: no tourists and definitely no paulistas). She clearly enjoys sex with her Brasilian clients -- not necessarily to orgasm, but still fun for her -- to the point where she is considering sacrificing considerable income to continue working in Rio. That suggests to me that at least some GDPs do have a sexual response to some clients.
I’ve found in a competitor forum an interesting thread discussing the blog that one of Rio’s hookers has set up and where she is writing about her experiences. This is the link:
[url]http://gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/[/url]
It may come as a surprise to some that for her it is all business and she never mentions how much she enjoyed the sex with her clients or how much she liked any of the guys, she seems to be mainly concerned just with how much money she makes and how fast she finishes her ‘programas’.
Some of the lonely hearts in this forum may also be surprised to know that she never comes with clients, or as she put it ‘eu nunca gozo com cliente’.
For those who still dream about Brazilian hookers who have orgasms with clients or fall in love with gringos, this may be an enlightening read.
Enjoy it!
Gladiator,
Like I said before it really doesn't matter to me, it's the effort that counts,lol.I have read that blog and it's interesting,but to use that one garota as an example to thousands doesn't make sense.I agree MOST of these hookers probably think the same and I would avoid a relationship with a hooker like a plague.
While I am pretty sure 9 out of 10 probably don't cum, there are a handful that do, whether it be cause of arousal or because they want to get off too.They may be hookers but they have needs too.I,m willing to bet that there are a significant number of these garotas who are so caught up in this game that sex for pay is all they get,so why not enjoy it once in a while.We are not a bunch of amateurs who can't tell when a women is truly enjoying themselves or getting off.Again this is no fantasy of mine, just an observation Ive made over the years after numerous trips to Brazil.In the end I pay hookers to get me off, not the other way around.Money is what will brings them back not your lovemaking abilities,lol.
[QUOTE=Gladiator]I’ve found in a competitor forum an interesting thread discussing the blog that one of Rio’s hookers has set up and where she is writing about her experiences. This is the link:
[url]http://gatadeprograma.weblogger.terra.com.br/[/url]
It may come as a surprise to some that for her it is all business and she never mentions how much she enjoyed the sex with her clients or how much she liked any of the guys, she seems to be mainly concerned just with how much money she makes and how fast she finishes her ‘programas’.
Some of the lonely hearts in this forum may also be surprised to know that she never comes with clients, or as she put it ‘eu nunca gozo com cliente’.
For those who still dream about Brazilian hookers who have orgasms with clients or fall in love with gringos, this may be an enlightening read.
Enjoy it![/QUOTE]Then again not ALL GDP are like her.
Mac,
is there a study of the pros who retire and settle down with some guy? I'd be interested in knowing what kind of wives they made, and what the stats are on how many of them got married, are still married, or got divorced, got re-married, or stayed single.
It would also be interesting to know how many are still "playing" on the side for extra cash.
Anything on what kind of lives they led after they left the sex business?
[QUOTE=Le Dragueur]Mac,
is there a study of the pros who retire and settle down with some guy? I'd be interested in knowing what kind of wives they made, and what the stats are on how many of them got married, are still married, or got divorced, got re-married, or stayed single.
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Sorry, I'm not Mac, but maybe I can give my humble opinion?
In my work back home I meet a lot of countrymen married to brazilian women. I would guess at least 90% of the wives are ex-pro's or piranhas. Propably 80% of the relationships end in a period less than 3 Years. They often end when the girl got herself a permanent Visa.
The chances of a lasting relationship will be bigger if you manage to meet an educated brazilian woman who is economically independent and who has a truly interest in you. For the average Rio-monger, with a limited knowledge of Portuguese, who mainly stays in Copacabana the chances of meeting a woman like this will be just as big as finding a pink pig flying from Pedra Bonita.
If I were interested in marrying a brazilian woman I would head to the interior of Brazil, very far away from all gringos, to find myself a wifey.
I think the palm trees on the beaches in Brazil are very beautiful, but I don't bring one home because it would fade away very quickly.
Sperto says:
I think the palm trees on the beaches in Brazil are very beautiful, but I don't bring one home because it would fade away very quickly.
Very apt analogy. Much as we think we might be offer a safe and secure home and be able to water the plant two or threee time a day - she would still whither from loneliness and being out of her environment. I tried it once with an african girl who was far from a hooker- who dissed me full time once she got to europe - but probably becaue she just didn't understand the differences in culture. Fortunatly I got her home before she turned to a life of vice:-). I don't think its alwasy cynicism on the girls' behalf. Even the nicest ones can see their life expectancies change when exposed to a different social environment.
I have met quite a few Brazilians who used to be married to Americans. The reason the marriages ended (there were usually children involved) was because the man got tired of his Brazilian trophy wife. My advice to Brazilian women who have an interest in marrying American men is to make sure the guy looks beyond your beauty and sex and can appreciate the other things you have to offer. If he doesn't respect you when you are dating he is not going to after you are married.
Good questions, La Drageur. All I can say is that if you see anything authoritative, let me know, because this is one of the things I'm trying to dig out.
Frankly, I'm open-minded about whether or not these relationships last. There's nothing saying that they can't. But I think that when two people get hitched based on mutual fantasies (he that she's 'the perfect wife' because she's Brazilian, she that he's a wealthy gringo) and usually without a common language compentently spoken between them... well, my gut feeling is that it's going to quickly become a mess.
Regarding the "do pros cum or not?" thread, yes, some may cum occaisionally, but it certainly isn't many and it's not often. BubbsBoy and Exec Talent (IIRC) were on the other thread claiming that 50% of their girls cum, which is far too excessive.
But ther eis a catch here and that is that these girls are consciously blurring the line between pro and girlfriend, so sooner or later, the line will be crossed. It's significant to me that EE sez that the girls who cum with him are usually ones wwith whom he has a relationship beyond strict pay-for-play.