Having sex while unvaccinated is selfish
This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.
Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.
It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex – go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish – I doubt anyone here would accept that.
Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else – that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!
Finally, what about the girl – the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.
Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.
Why do you make it so easy?
[QUOTE=JustTK;2622879]This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.[/QUOTE]Is this an example of being respectful? You are constantly complaining about people being insulting and disrespectful, yet here you are again. If you are going to be so adamant about respectful discourse perhaps something like "I strongly disagree that having sex while unvaccinated is selfish" would be better than your "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" intro.
[QUOTE]Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.[/QUOTE]"Puta" is a derogatory word. If you must specify, "prostitute" is the respectful term.
Again, I must point out that your statement is incorrect. The study you continue to refer to specifically states that transmission rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated people are only equal within the household environment. All currently available studies show that outside of the household, unvaccinated people have a higher transmission rate than vaccinated people.
Another statement which is not correct is the declaration that everyone will eventually become infected. That's simply not supported. Some, for whatever reason, are not susceptible to the virus.
Your last statement is also incorrect based upon currently available data. We're seeing different levels of protection from different vaccines against different strains. While at some point in the future your statement may be factual, at this time it is not.
[QUOTE]It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish I doubt anyone here would accept that. [/QUOTE]Haven't you stated an opposition to vaccine mandates? It appears you're suggesting mandates against having sex for people who don't fit into your definition of low risk. Unless you are also insisting all of your sexual partners submit to the same requirements, with proof, before any sexual encounter, your logic seems flawed.
If having sex unvaccinated is selfish, it's because of your risk of infecting others. While there are some ways to reduce your risk of becoming infected, most of what you mentioned are ways to reduce your risk of serious illness or death if you become infected. You understand your contradiction? You claim that everyone will eventually become infected and claim your lifestyle prevents you from becoming infected. Unless you get tested daily, you have no guarantee that you aren't infected.
Furthermore, while there are many communicable diseases, no other which is currently prevalent poses the health risks of Covid. If a girl gives me strep throat, or I give her a cold, complete and rapid recovery is almost certain. Covid however, even cases which aren't severe, poses long term health risks. It's a false equivalence to compare Covid with the common cold.
[QUOTE]Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction![/QUOTE]Again, referring to something you disagree with as "dumb" is disrespectful. What's worse you have yet to prove the logic is flawed, since the core of your rebuttal is based upon your belief which contradicts the study you use to defend your belief. And again, "puta" is disrespectful.
Life carries risk. Every day, every thing comes with an element of risk. It's both hyperbole and a straw man to say nothing should be done that carries risk, and then declare the risk you pose to others as acceptable.
When you are only risking yourself, that is a personal choice. When you are deciding that risking the health, welfare and lives of others is perfectly acceptable, that's selfishness.
[QUOTE]Finally, what about the girl the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.
Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.[/QUOTE]Seriously, can you not see the disrespect? Perhaps if you treated the discussion with respect, you would get respectful responses.
Let's examine it from your situation. If I have read your posts correctly, you have a wife and children and another post of yours indicates they are all living with you. Am I correct in assuming you have not allowed, or freely offered the others in your family the chance to get vaccinated? Are you informing them of the increased risk you pose to them each time you choose to visit a prostitute? Have you asked if they are willing to accept the increased risk? If not, selfish seems to be a fair assessment.
Here's an idea which might work better for you. Adopt an attitude of "fuck it." Do what you want. There's no need to constantly argue that what you choose to do is superior to everyone else's decisions. There's no need to misrepresent studies or rationalize what you want to do. Just say "fuck it" and do what you want.
That would save all of the hypocrisy over respect and disrespect and best of all it covers every eventuality. If someone around you gets sick, fuck it. If they die, fuck it. If you get sick, fuck it.