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Tomb,
Thanks for posting your trip report in such a detail. I also live in New York. I, along with a friend from Atlanta, have plans for a trip to Fortaleza this January. This will be my fourth trip to Brazil and the first to Fortaleza. I am certain that your post will help me a lot during my trip. I will be renting an apartment as I found it better way for mongering activity. What do think?
How about posting some photos of the girls that you met during your trip? If not, Please email me at Jose425@hotmail.com We can swap some photos. Thanks again for so much valuable info.
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Jose:
Absolutely, if you are going to spend a few days straight in Fortaleza (I didn't), then an apartment is the way to go, especially if you are going to "party". The only advice I can think of giving is to make sure and get one in the Meirelles or Aldeota areas, as they are closest to the "action." If you don't have a place picked out already, get a "Flat" (fully furnished short-term rental apartment) along Av. Abolicao. Check out http://www.flatshop.com.br/residence.htm - they are a booking service, but you can call any of the flats they list directly (you'll have to hunt around on the Internet a bit for the numbers) - BTW their general Fortaleza page has some good pics, including one that gives you a good idea of what Praia do Futuro is like. January is high season, so you will be better off getting reservations made well in advance. Otherwise, you could just walk around Mierelles untill you find what you like.
I'll have some pictures on CD next week, but only of the non-pros I was with - too "occupied" when I was with the working girls. But I'll post them anyhow.
You've pretty much outlined my next "dream" vacation - grab a like-minded buddy or two (to share expenses and swap war stories), fly to Fortaleza, rent a big flat, stock it with booze and b*tches, and laissez les bon temps roller!
Have a blast and keep us posted...
Tom B.
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poturu:
I hear many good things about the non-pro action in Cali, Columbia, although I've never been there. Generally, anywhere that you go and can be charming and reasonably generous will getyou all the non-pro action you can handle. Of course, you need more TIME with a non-pro than a pro, so 10 day s may be a problem.. in other words, even in S.A., most girls don't give out on the first date. Also, in general, I'd go to a smaller city rather than a huge city, just because there is less competition, and a less afleunt area of the country becuase they will be more appreciative of your "generosity". So, in Brazil, head for the Northeast - Recife, Fortaleza, Acaraju, Joao Pessoa, Natal, Salvador, and any smaller towns up and down the coast that you want to visit.
Good Luck!
Tom B.
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poturu:
I'm sorry! I had a brain-fart, not Cali, you'll get killed in Cali, don't go there! I meant Cartagena, it's a beautiful colonial town, full of beautiful Columbianas (just stay away from the snow, OK?). Don't know Pasto, never heard of it. But try northeast Brasil instead of Columbia, it' s also beautiful and so are the girls.
Tom
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Hi Tomb,
I will go to fortaleza end of October. I was there the last time in March/April. It was good even when the weather was not so good like in October or November. I was three time in Fortaleza and three times in Rio. Compare with Rio the girls in Fortaleza are much cheaper but also I have to tell it not so pretty. OK, it's possible to find a good looking girl also in Fortaleza but the average girls are not so pretty like a average girl in Rio and all Brazilian citiesen tell you the girls in the north east are not pretty. If you like good looking girls go to Columbia. I saw a lot of Columbian pros in Frankfurt where I life and they are mostly very pretty. But nevertheless I had never a problem to find a pretty girl in Fortaleza too, also it's very cheap, very safe and perfect weather.
Please Tomb tell me how is the situation in Fortaleza now. Somewhere in this Forum I have read that Zip and Desiqual is closed? Is there a new place for finding pros?
Till next time
DG
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DG:
Desigual is still open, Zip's is closed, there are two new "pro" discos in Iracema - Africa's and Porto Bar. Read my trip-report post down below.
As for the quality of girls in Fortaleza, yes the average girl in the Northeast is not a stunner, but neither is the average girl in Rio. Among the pros, remember that the "cream of the crop" from all over Brazil goes to Rio and Sao Paulo. (Likewise, only the prettiest Colombianas make it to Frankfurt, the ugly ones stay home). The pro girls you see elsewhere are the "farm team" or "second division", so to speak. However, there are still more than enough 9+ girls in Fortaleza, you just have to look a bit harder than you do in Rio/Sao Paulo (and pay much less). One girl I was with that I considered "average" in Fortaleza was a spitting image of Debora Winger in "An Officer and a Gentleman" (IMHO). Not a playboy model, but great fun. Another was your typical dark latin beauty, maybe a bit too short. I saw several girls nightly that I'd sell my soul for (maybe I already have...), but already had my hands full when I ran into them. On the other hand, I saw some other pro girls that made me want to take a vow of celibacy so I'd never have to get anywhere near them... It's all the luck of the draw, admitedly there are more stunners in Rio, but there are enough to keep you very busy in Fortal. For what it's worth, everywhere else I've been in the Northeast (Recife, Bahia, Seregipe, Natal), they tell me that the most beautiful girls are in Fortaleza. Go figure.
I've been asked by several friends what is a better "deal" - Fortaleza or Rio. If you are coming from the US, which means that you ahhave to fly to Sao Paulo and then 4 hours more back to Fortaleza, I'd say that if you are going for a short time (4-5 days or less) then Rio, if you are going for a long time (5-6 days or more) then Fortal. Coming from Europe, of course, there are direct flights to Fortaleza, so the equation may be different. Also, lets be honest, if you want the true "Creme de la creme", movie star and magazine model quality pro, then go to Sao Paulo - but be prepared to pay for it!
Tom B.
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Hi Tom,
you are right of course it is possible to find everywhere good looking girls, even in Fortaleza and yes they are very cheap and also very nice. The most pro's whose I have picked up in Desigual, or Zip, or Africa wants to be my girlfriend after one or two days. But I have to say that the real stunner something like a 9+ it's in my opinion not easy to find in those locations, because I have a similar taste like the Brazil people have. I like women with a European (better to say a mediteranean) look and they should have a butt like Jennifer Lopez and a wesp waist, too. You see I'm very fastidiously and that is my real problem I think.
If you honest you will agree with me that almost all pro's in Fortaleza have native Brazilian roots (Indios) and they are usually small, have no wesp waist have a flat butt and a round belly. Of course there are always a few pretty girls there, but they are expensive and have mostly already a client.
The normal local girls (no pro's) whose you can find in shopping centre, or in normal discothecs or in the culture centre can be very pretty but they are not easy to have if you not speak Portugese.
OK, back to the point, Fortaleza is great anyways, it's cheap, very good weather, beautiful beaches, no much crime, good food and good drinks. So I will spend my next holiday there.
Please tell me there was a waitress in Zip she is a Mulatta with a pretty face and a great butt, do you know her and do you know where she works now?
Is Porto Bar also knowen under the name cafe del Mar? What is the place to go before 12 o'clock at night? Before it was Zip and than Africa and at least Desiqual. Ok, till next time. Btw, I life in Frankfurt and I know many girls from Colombia and in the most cases they are above 8.
Best Regards!
Dieter
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Dieter:
You remarks about the "average" girl in Fortalaza are pretty dead on, but there is enough deviation from the norm to keep anyone happilly occupied. Also, this coast of Brazil suffered successive invasions by the Dutch and the French and those influences are still to be found, even if it was 400 years ago (nothing more beautiful than a mullata with green eyes!). As for the best girls being taken, you are looking in the wrong places or too late at night. Yes, the best are more expensive, but that means $R100/night instead of R$50, so what? The "best of the best" do sometimes go to Desigual's but you probably will have better luck at Porto Bar a little earlier, or a regular club. Remember that Fortaleza has one "hot club" each night - Priata's on Monday...Orbita on Wednesday...Ze do Carangueijo on Thursday, etc. etc. just ask around, find out where the night's hot spot is goign to be, and go there around 11PM-midnight. You'll have to use your "nose" to figure out who the pros are, but it's not too hard!
Porto Bar is about 2 blocks inland from the Ponte Metallica, don't know about Cafe del Mar (which I think is right on the seafront). And, no I didn't see any mullatta waitress at Disigual, but then again, I was pretty "occupied" while there, and most all I saw of the waitresses was the beer in there hands. Anyway, I can almost guarantee you that the waitresses at Disiguals won't go out with any customers. And read my long post from about two weeks ago for an idea of the current Fortaleza scene, where to go, etc.
Enjoy your trip to Fortaleza!
Tom B.
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Hi Tom,
you are true, there is everyday at week a special place to go. On weekend you should go to Mucuripe and on Tuesday to "Halo Brazil" and on Monday of course to Pirata. Cafe del Mar is a small music pub and have two floors is left and than right again from the restaurant Estoril. This pub was Thursday the place to go at a time from 11 to 1 o'clock in the night.
Sorry there was a mistake this Mulatta was from Zip and not from Desigual. You are right again the girls there or better to say the most girls there like to fuck and they fuck usually very good.
It is possible to have a waitress from Africa, Zip or Desiqual as a girlfriend of course, this means that you stay with them a long time.During this time you should not try to sleep with a pros, because she would know that and than you better not more go to the Discothek where she works. Sometimes the waitresses from Africa or Zip go to Desiqual after they have free to find a boyfriend. This means not that you pay for them 50 Reais the night but you will bear their expenses, go shopping with them and to restaurants.
Some of this girls have several friends and they send them letters and money from there hometowns. This girls have to manage that they not come to the same time to Fortaleza.
Till next time!
Dieter
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Hi Tomb,
i`m planning to go to Fortal next week so i was checking the policies of some hotels or flat-services, and most of them are quite restrictive on bringing girls back to your room. Tried with finding something through flatshop.com.br and they answered "visitas não permitidas da meia-noite ás cinco da manhã". E-mailed Marina Praia and they answered that it was allowed only between midnight and 5 am, and only if the girl looks and behaves in a discrete way. What was your experience with that hotel? Let`s say you see an apartment house that looks OK, can you just jump in and rent something or do you have to go through an agency which may be further away? I`m asking that cuz my flight arrives in the evening and i want to fix my stay before i start the trip.
Another thing...can i safely rent a car without risking a major crash or are the "cearense" drivers more or less chaotic like the greek drivers.
Did you already post some pictures somewhere on the site?
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paolino:
have a great time in fortaleza!
as for a place to stay, i really dont' think you'll have too many problems. there is often a lot of leeway between "official policy" and reality. the only thing that really concerns the guys at teh reception desk is making sure that the girls ar not **** - they are personlayy accountable, by law.
suggestions:
marina praia, as i've written before is convenient, clean, cheap, etc., i'd at least use them as my base of operations for my first night straight off the airplane (use a motel if you have any problems with bringing in a girl) and then look around for a flat that you like (not applicable in january/february when you need advanced reservations for the flats). you'll have no problem bringing girls after midnight - walter, the night receptionist could care less. make friends with him and leo, the day guy, and you'll be fine. you might have problems taking a wg with you to breakfast downstairs, so what, go eat somewhere else.
hotel brisa mar, closer to iracema, is a bit cheaper than marina praia, but about the same quality of room. ask for a room in their annex, which means that you don't have to go thru their lobby, and no problem again, although i doubt that they care about working girls...
flatshop is an agency that books you into flats. they don't actually manage or own the flats themselves, so they are just giving you a blaket statement to cover their own asses. flatshop is good if you can't speak portuguese at all, otherwise, just use their listing of flats to find the names of flats in fortal and then use google to find phone numbers/websites and contact them directly. or use google and yahoo.br to find flats yourself. one suggestion - apart hotel atlandida on av. abolicao (you'll have to find the phone # yourself), a friend of mine is staying there and lovingit - no problems with girls. again, i'd just reserve my room and then make friends with the night receptionist. anyway, flats work a bit differently from hotels, you are truly a tenant with rights to do whatever youwant, except burn the place down. it's a short-term lease. and no, you can't just jump in and rent a normal apartment, incredible amounts of paperwork are involved, check out the fortaleza guide at [url]www.bootsnall.com.[/url]
you can safely rent a car, but why? why get lost, why deal with traffic, why go thru the aggravation? cearense drivers aren't as dangerous as greek, but city driving is always a pain, and countryside driving can be dangerous if only becuase high speeds and livestock crossing the road don't mix. taxi's in fortal are cheap, and dune buggy drivers to get you up and downthe coast are all over the place. admitedly, fortaleza-jericoacoara, about the furtherst you'd be goign, in an suv with driver will cost you us$100 one way (which you can split with other people), still better than driving for 5 hours, imho. other, closer, beaches are cheaper - i.e. $50 to canoa quebrada. heck, for short jaunts, take the bus. just my opinion.
tom b.
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Tomb,
thanx for the information, always clear and efficient!
I think i will try Marina Praia like you said. And it shouldn not be a problem making friends with the receptionists as i speak some portuguese (some chick told me that i spoke like a paulista).
thanks again!
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Paolino:
You're welcome. Marina Praia is just a regular 2-star hotel, nothing special, clean rooms, parquet wooden floors. Get a large-sized bed for obvious reasons. It's a good "base of operations" but not the ideal "love nest" - go to a motel for that, R$30 for 3 or 4 hours. Not that you CAN'T bring a girl back to the hotel, but why run the risks of having her know where you are staying or going thru your sh-t while you are sleeping or in the bathroom? (BTW, Marina Praia, like most hotels, has a asafe for your valuables). After spending all the time and money to get to Fortaleza, a few more bucks for a motel isn't going to hurt you, and motels can be fun - big round bed, jacuzzi, cheap room service. And as I mentioned, Marina Praia may be a good place to settle in till you find EXACTLY what you want. I also used it to leave my stuff while on 2-3 day trips up the coast, had people leave me messages, drop things off, send mail, etc. etc, it's a home away from home. Tell them Tom, the Gaucho-Americano sent you, that should get you kicked out on the spot ;-) (and good luck trying to hit Lu, the estagaria...). BTW, be careful not to let anyone confuse Marina Praia (behind Hotel Beira-Mar on R. Paulo Barros) with Marina PARQUE, which is an over-priced 5-star hotel way up the other side of town.
Tom B.
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i suggest this hotel, in Praia de Iracema
http://www.hotelcasadepraia.com.br/index.htm
Anybody know it???
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Hmm, if they are really R$50-$60, that's a great price! And it's certainly well located for all the Iracema fun and games. Dunno the hotel, but sure looks good on the website.
Another suggestion: Hotel Olimpio in Mierrelles. 4 stars, beachfront (i.e. expensive, but doable in US$). No problem at all with the receptionists (portaria aberta). Also there's a good flat at Av. Antonio Justa 2324, again in Mierelles, dunno the name, just a suggestion.
In the meantime, I checked the "Diario do Nordeste" for GP's. Prices continue to be R$50 to $100. Two new "boates" in IRacema (to pick up GP's), Vagao Plaza (right in front of Priata's) and Stilus. R$10 to go in. Ask any cab driver where they are. Upscale college girls for R$100. And a new clinica: R. Nunes Valente 2145, dunno the name. R$60/hr, R$70/2hr, "massage" followed by "relax", but no anal.
Tom B.