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Bugs:
Glad you find your way around alright and managed to have a good time. 175k isn't so bad. Its within the normal range of what the girls ask in Itaewon. (Anywhere between 100-300) and because you smelled of money she probably high-balled you. Anyway, I've never taken an Itaewon girls Long Term, so can't help you there. I'd imagine she'd want between 300-500 for all night or so. But did you like her enough to put up with her all night for a "date"? Personally I'd shop around.
As far as I know there are no other juice bars in the same vein as Itaewon in Seoul.
There are many Room Salons/Business Rooms that are similar but these are more expensive. Most Room Salons charge 500k-1mill and that doesn't necessarily include sex. Some Business Rooms only charge 40,000 for a girl to come and drink with you, but again, not sure on the procedure there for moving negotiations onward.
If you're willing to shop around, you can definately get 8's and 9's in Itaewon from between 120-150k, thats including drinks and barfines.
And like you said, its much different from Amsterdam, I've screwed the RLD Amsterdam chicks too and found it far too mechanical and assembly-line like. The Korean chicks tend to get into more and do their best to make you feel comfortable.
And too anyone else.. it all depends what you want.. if you just want your rocks off quickly, any Yongsan 7 will give you your 20 minutes for 50-60k.
Cheers.
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clinteast,
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The errors and malapropisms abound -- and you say the GI's are stupid?
The appropriate article for "intelligent American" is [i]"an"[/i] rather than "a". One may not properly say you are "a asshole", it's "you're [i]an[/i] asshole". And with your attitude, I'd guess that you are.
Grammatically speaking, we may say that a singular engineer (intelligent American or not) "[i]has[/i] been working", not "have been working" as you use below.
Are you a "constrution" engineer or are you in [i]construction[/i]?
"Reveration" isn't a word. I think you might mean "reverence."
Your misuse of the language, coupled with your ignorant superiority trip, makes me think you are in fact a Korean yourself.
The first giveaway is you say you have friends both Korean females [i]and Korean males[/i]. Aha! Everybody knows that it's all-but-impossible for foreign males to make friends with Korean males, because Korean males are 98% objectionable assholes.
You further betray your secret identity as a Korean dude when you use the word "behaviors". Koreans very rarely grok the idea of the English language's collective singular -- multiple staff are always described as "staffs".
Own up to it, fella. Mistaken use of articles, wrong singular-plural verb tense, misspelling and just plain [i]wrong diction[/i] with made-up words, combined with contempt for American military staffs (sic) and homoerotic feelings for Korean men: [b]YOU'RE BUSTED![/b]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by clinteast
[i]lighter9000:
As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite. [/i][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BugsBunny
[i]lighter
Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.
So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.
Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.
Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.
So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.
So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.
Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.
Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...
In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.
This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?
So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?
Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!! [/i][/QUOTE]
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Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell.
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Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
[i]Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell. [/i][/QUOTE]
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I'm writing for the first time. I've lived in Korea for almost 8 years and have seen it all. The posts here are pretty accurate. For those of you coming to the Land Of The Morning Calm there is a bounty of Korean delights to be had. I'll tell all about them only if you promise not to give out secrets and tell a bunch of yahoo wannabes back in the USA (or where ever you're from). Keep it under wraps. We got enough foreigners here already. Just keep the posts coming and I'll check in every now and again to help when I can. Of the 45 million Koreans about 15 million are HOT women! Good luck and good hunting!
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BIG_DAWG--
Must have been another girl (former guy). No large hands, no adams apple sticking out, no scars in the nether lands, no fake/enhanced breasts. Extremely light frame, and all-too feminine body features. I'll tell you what. If in fact this was a former guy, I really don't care since the service was good.
I really have to doubt that the woman I saw was a former guy. You will have seen my follow-up post before this...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
[i]Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.
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So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...
I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.
Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.
Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.
She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).
Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.
Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.
Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.
BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.
lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!
Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.
BugsBunny
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ok it's been said, well we all know
that alot of girls working the scene otside of Itaewon wont touch us with 10 foot barge polls...
I am asking a simple question..
WHY!???
why wont these hookers fuck us!!
why wont the A row girl girls in 588 and youngsan do us!!??
what is wrong with us????
are they just no attacted to non asian looks..well if thats true, then they are fucked in the head..
I have been down there, and I am handsome, young , I was dressed well and the a row girls didn't say shit to me
I hung around I saw them , the A row girls calling old grandfathers, retards, and stupid looking drunk korean Adusis...
now!! ok I understand don't like Foreigner looks, but get some taste of your own kind then!!!...
guys..why is this????
whats wrong with us????
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seoulman,
I have a 75% success rate just walking up to the "A" row girls and saying "Foreigners need lovin' too" while I barge in. Once inside and behind the curtain (i.e., no Korean dudes looking at them taking us), my money's just as green as the next guy's.
Learn Korean -- it helps.
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cool
I speak Korean!!
I am not as bold as you..haaah
walking straight past them and behind the curtain!!!
haaahah...
so what you are saying is..
is they don't want us because, korean men will see!!! so korean men don't like US!!!??
so what!!..maybe I am naive here!!
so what if we fuck the girls too!!
what do they care..it's not their sister!!!
they are hookers!!!!
so the girls think if they are seen taking a foreign into the store, that korean guy wont go to that store again!!!!
fuck i..we wear condoms!! koreans don't!
they are soiling the girls!!!!
many of my friends korean..have cought some nasty shit at miari, and 588
I said why don't you wear a condom
they say WHY!! this is korea!!!
and I don't like!!!
hahaahahaha...
still don't understand it..
even japan is same..
NO FOREIGNERS in general!!!
but of course there are places just like here..but acually it's no Foreigners!!!
what kind of BS is that!!!
funny because the Korean men
and japanese men want to cpome to our country and do our WHITE girls and experience the white girl..
but if we want to try their woman..
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dirty foreigner!!!
doesn't seem fair!!!!
we are all red blooded!!!!!
we are all humans!!
we are all made the same!!!
not like I have three dicks or something!
I HATE RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OK...I went to check for myself. My mistake on Mindy. The other one was Hee Ju. That's who I was talking about. And I think the name of the place was different too. Guess that's why he/she don't work there any more.
Tried the goods.....if that was a guy before WHO FRIGGIN CARES!!! Wow!
Been all over Korea and got the Tee shirts...that was some show and performance.
See ya when you get back to the ROK.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BugsBunny
[i]So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...
I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.
Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.
Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.
She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).
Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.
Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.
Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.
BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.
lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!
Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.
BugsBunny [/i][/QUOTE]
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Seoulman:
Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.
White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.
Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.
Anyway, there is your reasoning.
Bugs:
Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?
Cheers.
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seoulman/lighter9000,
just to further this discussion a bit. a friend of mine taught english in korea and everything the both of you two said are 100% true. in his case, he was with a korean lady (student) and wanted to take a taxi cab back to his place. what did the taxi gook do? he drove them out to a field in the middle of no-where and told them to walk! my friend said he was so pissed! and nothing the korean student said would change the taxi drivers mind (except he said, "leave him here, and i'll take you home") - yeah right...my friend thought he was going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her. other times, he would be walking down the street in ulsan(sp.?) and people from the balcony's above him would pour "coke" down on him - trying to hit him...if they missed, they'd simply chuck the cans at him! in short, he still has a k-girl friend (long dist. relationship) but they're always fighting.....korean girls have major attitude problems (princess disease)....i wouldn't even try to p/u a regular one...anyways, just my two cents...
ps. is it just me or does it seem that seoulman! is! going! or! has! gone! crazy! - poor bastard....time to come home buddy!
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Quite ironic since here in LA Koreans often go down to TJ to bone mexican chicks. Latino men do not mind at all.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lighter9000
[i]Seoulman:
Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.
White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.
Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.
Anyway, there is your reasoning.
Bugs:
Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?
Cheers. [/i][/QUOTE]