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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1251574]Red Kilt,
Some mongers have a strict don't feed the street meat policy. Perhaps they think hungry girls are more eager to fuck for pesos and will maintain that much sought after spinner figure. Others consider giving the girls pesos for anything other than a fuck to be the equivalent of feeding strays and worry about being mobbed by other aggressive beggars or making the girls lazy. The sad reality is the girls sell puss out of desperation and a lot of mongers intend to keep them as desperate as possible to exert maximum leverage.[/QUOTE]Bit of over-reaction to my post about over reaction.
Just to be clear. I NEVER hand out money to beggars of any sort on the street either, but in Riverman's case, this was not just an unknown beggar but a woman he had already befriended before and with whom, in his words,"had a GREAT time".
I was surprised that he would not give her the 50 pesos. That's all. Surprised. The reasons he gave for not giving the 50 pesos were, IMHO, an extreme over reaction, as I simply cannot see or imagine the likelihood that a mere 50 pesos given to an acquaintance would upset the economic indicators of the street monger trade
He also made an enemy out of her. That would worry me the next time I wander along the same strip.
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I would of not handed her money on the street, but a girl that I had a "great time" with, would not be going hungry. I would have taken her to the nearest place and feed her. A 50-100 peso meal could easily turn into a freebie with an even greater time.
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[QUOTE=Riverman; 1251124]A girl I picked up before in the Mango area approached me as I was walking back to my room after dinner. My previous experience with her was great and I was certainly willing to have a session with her again, but tonight I was just too damn tired. I've had a recurring sinus infection and tonight it was draining all my energy. After kindly explaining why I couldn't see her tonite, she then goes 'ohh, Riverman, I'm hungy please just give me 50 pesos. ' It surprised me she did this, because last time she seemed like a pretty nice chick, and not a beggar type. I guess the street is burning her out.
I'm wondering what you guys think about this situation. Personally, I hate being hit up like that, for several reasons. 1) if I don't partake, I don't want to give anything 2) I don't want a strictly P4P provider to get accustomed to successfully hitting me up for free money 3) I don't like pulling out and handing over money on the street. 4) I frequent the mango / fuente area a lot, and don't want the denizens there to consider me a mark for begging, etc. 5) I just plain find it irritating.
After my polite refusal, she got rather nasty and we parted less than friends. I am curious to the thoughts of you guys on this subject. Any better way to deal with this situation? Anyone?[/QUOTE]It only 50 peso that is a jeepney ride to meet another client, load to text another client or a meal, so saying no you have got what you deserve, bad Karma. She will tell every girl she knows how cheep you are so next time you get a girl you like and she says no think about your action that day. Drugs cost 200 peso or more, glue is less but there are few working girls doing glue, most people live from peso to peso and will borrow money so they can make money.
Next time you are in cebu catch up I show you how the locals live and how the girls who work mango live.
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[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1251593]Bit of over-reaction to my post about over reaction.
Just to be clear. I NEVER hand out money to beggars of any sort on the street either, but in Riverman's case, this was not just an unknown beggar but a woman he had already befriended before and with whom, in his words,"had a GREAT time".
I was surprised that he would not give her the 50 pesos. That's all. Surprised. The reasons he gave for not giving the 50 pesos were, IMHO, an extreme over reaction, as I simply cannot see or imagine the likelihood that a mere 50 pesos given to an acquaintance would upset the economic indicators of the street monger trade.
He also made an enemy out of her. That would worry me the next time I wander along the same strip.[/QUOTE]I believe CM is just pointing out what most here don't want to read. The fact is the Value Monger is a tough breed who has never contributed to the United Way or Red Cross. Therefore, why would anyone expect the cheap bastard to give a poor girl 50 pesos when he saw her in public the next day. Actually she should consider herself lucky if she got out of his room the night before without taking one in the butt or receiving a face full on hot [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] to the mug.
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[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1251650]Actually she should consider herself lucky if she got out of his room the night before without taking one in the butt or receiving a face full on hot [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] to the mug.[/QUOTE]Ya. Giving a gal one in the butt or a hot [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] to the mug is my job. Thanks.
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I guess it has to be repeated a third time. The guy said he was not feeling well. Apparently he told the girl that. Which was the only real mistake I can see in this story. Show a bit of weakness and the dingos will take a nip.
And when I say dingo. I would like some of you to think about who exactly I'm talking about.
[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1251602]I would of not handed her money on the street, but a girl that I had a "great time" with, would not be going hungry. I would have taken her to the nearest place and feed her. A 50-100 peso meal could easily turn into a freebie with an even greater time.[/QUOTE]
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Please tell us what charities you donate to, and what would be something good to bring or leave. I regularly leave clothing as a kind of extra tip to the maids since I do some shopping and don't want to be over my weight limit on the next flight. I'd prefer to find a reliable group so that I can be sure my donation is being used efficiently.
I have met H the H in AC since he has some charity connections. Good guy. At the moment there is the BEACON group organizing a run in March in AC. They look like a reliable group, but not exactly sure.
But frankly, I don't know of a reliable group in Cebu. Surely, The Frenzy, is a man who can show us where to point our generosity. X.
[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1251639]It only 50 peso that is a jeepney ride to meet another client, load to text another client or a meal, so saying no you have got what you deserve, bad Karma. She will tell every girl she knows how cheep you are so next time you get a girl you like and she says no think about your action that day. Drugs cost 200 peso or more, glue is less but there are few working girls doing glue, most people live from peso to peso and will borrow money so they can make money.
Next time you are in cebu catch up I show you how the locals live and how the girls who work mango live.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1251650]I believe CM is just pointing out what most here don't want to read. The fact is the Value Monger is a tough breed who has never contributed to the United Way or Red Cross. Therefore, why would anyone expect the cheap bastard to give a poor girl 50 pesos when he saw her in public the next day. Actually she should consider herself lucky if she got out of his room the night before without taking one in the butt or receiving a face full on hot [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] to the mug.[/QUOTE]Screaming Beaver, the Value Monger is indeed a very robust breed. When this breed hears a girl say, 'please, I'm very hungry' it triggers aggressive bargaining for deeply discounted hardcore services at best. In cases where the monger is unable to perform at the time of the request, due to a street Viagra and alcohol induced hangover, such pleading is met with a righteous sense of indignation that a girl would have the nerve to beg for a single peso that she didn't earn by getting all her holes filled. These gentlemen are frugal with sympathy and exceedingly charitable with their bodily fluids.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1251726]Screaming Beaver, the Value Monger is indeed a very robust breed. When this breed hears a girl say, 'please, I'm very hungry' it triggers aggressive bargaining for deeply discounted hardcore services at best. In cases where the monger is unable to perform at the time of the request, due to a street Viagra and alcohol induced hangover, such pleading is met with a righteous sense of indignation that a girl would have the nerve to beg for a single peso that she didn't earn by getting all her holes filled. These gentlemen are frugal with sympathy and exceedingly charitable with their bodily fluids.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you're mocking the Value Monger, or agreeing with him, but the RM's situation is not uncommon, and difficult to deal with. I'm not sure there is ANY good outcome from the situation. Asking for money is in bad taste from the western viewpoint, but not from the SE asian viewpoint. Anytime this happens, it will feel natural for the pinay, and create an uncomfortable dissonance from most men. Obviously there are differing viewpoints on the situation. Some gents have posted here that they feel for RM's discomfort (that also includes me) , while others have said he should just have given it to her (as its small). You can see several viewpoints:
A. You don't want to give her anything. Her asking for it makes you feel uncomfortable, period.
B. You want to give her the money, but you know better than to be seen doing it right then on the street.
C. You just hand it to her.
I don't think there is any one good solution or way of handling the above situation that would not draw fire from the dingos? Personally, whether sick or not, I would not have given her the money right then. You either have to take her to a private place and hand her the pesos, or take her somewhere to eat, or tell her to come to your hotel the next day for 200 (or so) and then make good on it. But handing anyone money in public in cebu (even your wife) makes you a target for every beggar on the street, and emboldens that girl to ask (inappropriately) again. This is not a matter of being cheap (value mongering) , its a matter of being smart.
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[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1251326]I am really surprised by your reaction, especially as she is someone you know and with whom you had a great experience already.
"Good girl gone bad"? WTF? All she did was ask you for 50 pesos for food? Does that make her "bad"? You had a gross over reaction River. You made an enemy out of a "good" Mango street girl because she asked you for 50 pesos. If she was an unknown beggar then maybe I could understand you dismissing her but you said you already know her and like her.
I don't think I would enjoy having a beer with you if you get so wound up over such a trivial thing. The sky would not fall on you if you had given her 50 php, but it just might fall on you now late one night because you didn't, and when you are least expecting it.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you RK. This guy has made an enemy out of someone he had a great time with (and consequently everybody she knows) over a measly 50 pesos. What a cheap, pathetic bastard. And you're right...he's a marked man now and it wouldn't surprise me to hear it if he gets whacked the next time he lets his guard down in that neighborhood.
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Well since this thing is heading the way of "what is paying too much" I will add my 2 pesos. Was Riverman in Cebu to make friends? Did he go there to save the world? Is said girl a friend because he hired her services once and enjoyed them? (What if the session had been terrible?) She turned from friend to enemy because he would not give away money to her outside of a business relationship? If that is the case then I have made countless enemies on this planet; and by that same token made many friends that I was not aware of. Do you really think someone would attack or kill him because he didn't give away 50 pesos - not like he owed them anything? (Should have just robbed him that day instead.) If that was the case then I'm sure there would be kano bodies on every corner. She had just met Riverman and all of a sudden he is supposed to be her saving grace? What about the family, friends that she has known all of her life? What if she never ran into Riverman that day or the day he sessioned with her? If she hadn't starved to death in all of the 20 or how many years that she has been living then I'm sure she wouldn't die because of the 50 pesos that Riverman didn't give her. You say it was "only" 50 pesos, well what would be too much to give away? Why not just hand over 500 pesos, or 5000 for good measure? Even if he was in tip-top health he should have told her no with authority.
Put the shoe on the other foot. Say Riverman was really horny and didn't have any money. But he didn't want full service, he just needed a little blow job to get him by. Do you think she would have or should have obliged? After all he has sessioned with her once before and they are supposedly "friends." Last I heard it was "No Money, No Honey". There is no reason that should not be able to be inverted as well. You guys are so pathetic that it is funny. Grow some balls and stop being cream puffs and pushovers.
[QUOTE=Gaijin Gigolo;1251744]Totally agree with you RK. This guy has made an enemy out of someone he had a great time with (and consequently everybody she knows) over a measly 50 pesos. What a cheap, pathetic bastard. And you're right.he's a marked man now and it wouldn't surprise me to hear it if he gets whacked the next time he lets his guard down in that neighborhood.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1251766]Well since this thing is heading the way of "what is paying too much" I will add my 2 pesos. Was Riverman in Cebu to make friends? Did he go there to save the world? Is said girl a friend because he hired her services once and enjoyed them? (What if the session had been terrible?) She turned from friend to enemy because he would not give away money to her outside of a business relationship? If that is the case then I have made countless enemies on this planet; and by that same token made many friends that I was not aware of. Do you really think someone would attack or kill him because he didn't give away 50 pesos. Not like he owed them anything? (Should have just robbed him that day instead.) If that was the case then I'm sure there would be kano bodies on every corner. She had just met Riverman and all of a sudden he is supposed to be her saving grace? What about the family, friends that she has known all of her life? What if she never ran into Riverman that day or the day he sessioned with her? If she hadn't starved to death in all of the 20 or how many years that she has been living then I'm sure she wouldn't die because of the 50 pesos that Riverman didn't give her. You say it was "only" 50 pesos, well what would be too much to give away? Why not just hand over 500 pesos, or 5000 for good measure? Even if he was in tip-top health he should have told her no with authority.
Put the shoe on the other foot. Say Riverman was really horny and didn't have any money. But he didn't want full service, he just needed a little blow job to get him by. Do you think she would have or should have obliged? After all he has sessioned with her once before and they are supposedly "friends." Last I heard it was "No Money, No Honey". There is no reason that should not be able to be inverted as well. You guys are so pathetic that it is funny. Grow some balls and stop being cream puffs and pushovers.[/QUOTE]Equating hunger for food and a need for a blow job shows your bias. You are a tight wad monger along w / many others. That's the way it is and will never change. I would not give out money on the street to a stranger, but a hooker I had a good intimate session w / I would have. It just has to be done discreetly. I think the OP of this issue made a mistake but he is here now asking what he might have done differently which I admire. We mongers are all different, some want to help others and some don't, that will never change. I respect everyone but the tad wads do benefit from the generosity of the more giving monger. Now if the Tight Wads had a stamp on their forehead (T. W.) they would be avoided by most people but w / out the stamp they blend in w / everyone. HaHa.
I'm w / this guy's opinion.
Maybe I'm a sucker, but I have a lot of sympathy for these people. They are, after all, poor and we are much more fortunate than they are. I know we can't be used as cash machines. But (especially if you know someone) , how much can it hurt you to help them to a meal? To me, you have to have a conscience and not just treat the place as your personal playground of prostitutes.
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[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1251602]I would of not handed her money on the street, but a girl that I had a "great time" with, would not be going hungry. I would have taken her to the nearest place and feed her. A 50-100 peso meal could easily turn into a freebie with an even greater time.[/QUOTE]Or it could turn into an additional request for more money. You can do what you want with your money, the same way the other poster did or didn't do with his money. Trying to get everyone on sex board or anywhere else to have monolithic values will never happen.
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My 2 Centavos
With regard to the girl who has provided good service and asked for 50 pesos later on the street.
1) The request does not necessarily maker her bad, a scammer, or a beggar. This is the way of the Philippines.
2) The key for me is someone who has come through and delivered.
Years ago I picked up a girl on Mango, paid the mamasan in advance, and she tried to get away without performing. At that moment I wouldn't give her anything, not even a Skyflake. I saw her years later standing across from Gaisano Metro, where all of the dreg hookers hang out. No doubt she'd forgotten me. She was a gorgeous girl who could be making real money, but even years later, she could bleed to death on the street in front of me and I will step over her.
On the other hand, for a girl who has delivered, what's the harm in giving her 50 pesos? You'd buy a friend a beer. It's a buck to you.you can afford it. Once again, I'm not talking about tossing handfuls of 50 peso notes into the streets, you are rewarding for performance, and in the expectation of future performance.
3) Giving the 50 pesos doesn't make you soft or naive. If a pattern starts to develop of her bumming for change, you make it clear that she needs to hold up her end of the bargain. If you establish yourself as someone who provides (and at a cheap price to you) you may find yourself receiving text messages offering for her to come by and service you. That's just the sort of annoying, intrusive text I like to get.
4) One poster mentioned you not having change. Always have change! ? You've got to fight for change and hoard your coins. I keep my change separate from my large bills. So if I want to hand out 50 pesos, I don't have to haul out a wad of 5, 000 pesos in downtown Colon and dig through them all, only to discovewr I don't have anything smaller than a 500.
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Cebu Hotels
I totally missed the fact that Cebu MidTown (above Robinson's at Fuente Osmena) is now called Summit Circle Hotel.
I used to always stay there before (from 1997 until 2008) but when it became a bit jaded and old and, more importantly, they jacked up the prices, I went elsewhere..
It looks as though it has been renovated (from a website I just saw) and the price is now around 16, 000 php for 7 nights (double) that seems very good to me (I work on the basis that anything under or up to 3000 per night is OK for me).
Any updated reviews on this place please?