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Fellow mongers,

Out last night with a good friend to sample the SCZ sceen on Wednesday night.... with kinda of mixed results.

Went to my personal watering hole Flavias on Ave Virgen De Cotoca where we spent 4 hours drinking and playing with the chicas. I met up with a girl whom I have pulled from there on several occasions and had good time drinking and dancing with a short trip to the back room for a quicky (100B) Had fun gettin all the reasonable chicas to dance on the table naked. One of my favorit dancers was turning 19 and so we kind of through an impromtu party for her. Nice thing about this place is that drinks are not overpriced and no extra cost for the girls drinks. My friend fell for a real looker with a nice tight body, but in the end she would not leave the place with him for any reason. He pulled her in the back room for a "private dance" where the mistery was reveal as she was at a bas time of the month. So we bailed on Flavias to check out the street scene. We had passed the Plaza de Estudiantes on the way to the club at around 11:00 and had some prospects that looked doable but at 3:00AM the selection had fallen to low levels. Price was the same as usual 100b per hour with clock starting when you get them to the room. As my friend was leaving the next day for a night in Rio, the decision was made to leave the leftovers behind and save his virtue for the hot chicas of Brazil.

In short club sceen stil has a good selection of doable chicas, but I hate to pay the multa for the casa and make arrangements for a meet the next day. Crazy system, you have to pay to take them out of the club if you find themn there, but if they skip going to the club to be with you on the next night thereis no problem.

Fines for pulling a girl range from 10 to 50 $US so be sure to ask before making any arrangements.

Street sceen is OK but don't leave it to late as the pickings get slim.

hey Nibu my SP wing man

im in SCZ right now, just came back from a mongering session at:

Andres Ibanez 60 (close to el Arenal park and to the justice palace) parallel to the firstring (Anillo)
US$30 for an hour , US$20 for a single fuck
5-6 gitrl ranging from 6 to 8
i went for the 30 deal with a nice Beniana, Clara, nice firm body, very fit , repeat

I also went to Vaca Diez 59 3300290 two blocks away, baaaaaaaaaaad
0ne 5 and on 6 only at the time Tu 9 pm)

will report more later

R

Disagree that street scene is bad in SCZ. I was there for several months last year and it was sweet, you just have to know where and when to look and with the right approach it isn't even like business.

Also, you can easily hook up with non-pros if you play your cards right.

PROS IN CLUBS
Went to a bar with pros the first night in town and being American and not too hard on the eyes we pretty much had our pick. To play the game, you talk with the girls watch them dance, flirt and whatnot, but don't indicate you want to take them home or buy them drinks. Varies somewhat according to the bar, but in general their drinks are priced at a premium and you will have to pay the house a lot (in Bolivia anyway) to leave with them. If you stay a while and indicate to the managers that you don't want to leave with a girl, but tell the girls that you do but don't want to pay the house, they will often make other arrangements to meet you outside in 30 minutes, etc.

I got friendly with two girls, about 19-20 yrs. old and they sort of got competitive about who I would pick...not wanting to decide I told them that I wanted them both...at the same time and that I would pay a lot more than their going rate if they came with me for the whole night and left their inhibitions aside. They sort of giggled and thought I was joking...but in the end they sort of went with me on a dare and continued to kind of one-up the other and they were excited in a nervous, giggly kind of way.

We took a taxi to one of the hourly hotels and we worked out a price for them to stay with me all night, about $50 total, which is way over market, but I was into trying to make the experience something different and not at all into saving a few bucks.

Bolivia is a country that is very machista and guys can pretty much do whatever they want and they have no idea how to treat women. Romance and foreplay are almost non-existant and a woman considers herself lucky if they end up with someone who fools around discreetly and doesn't hit them. Bolivian men are not god in bed, mostly providing drunken selfish sort of relief for themselves and not considering the women at all.

We sent out for drinks and began drinking, chatting, listening to music and dancing, basically having a good time and forgot all about any business arrangement. I continually complemented them and told them how beautiful they were and how lucky I was and they were all into it.

One was somewhat better looking than the other and I paid a bit more attention to her which fostered the competition thing way more. I think she was used to being second fiddle to the other and definitely appreciated this and showed her appreciation by becoming extremely affectionate, which of course spurred the other one to act in kind.

They were initially a bit surprised that I didn't order them to strip and get in bed with each other 3 minutes after we got inside and for the first hour or so we just had a blast. I asked them a ton of questions about themsleves and got to them a little on a personal level and we had some private jokes and nicknames going when I asked them if I could see them dance together. They giggled and shrugged their shoulders and went at it. Was nice to see and they clearly enjoyed it before jumping on the bed with me at the end of the song laughing.

A little bit later I was complementing them again and asked if I could please see them both in their under wear. They giggled and obliged, getting undressed a bit self-consciously but at the same time excited and a bit shameful that they were liking this. They aren't realy used to being asked nicely and at this point it was a lot more like they were doing it because they wanted to not due to any financial obligation. Without any prompting they started dancing together again, a bit more slowly than before. Excellent.

I made sure that my appreciation for this registered with them by basically just sitting there with my jaw wide open and my eyes locked on them. Indeed they were a site. They both had extremely fit bodies and long, straight brown hair...one darker brown and the other lighter with blonde highlights. The one with lighter hair had honey-toned skin and the other was darker and more like a mocha color. Both had thin waists and accented hourglass figures with medium breasts and curvy hips. And man could they dance.

I took this opportunity to slowly approach them from behind the darker one and began to kiss her slowly on the back of the neck and put my hands on her waist and caressed softly down the front of her pelvis and down her thighs, breathing warm air behind her ear and along her shoulder. I could feel her quiver at this and the lighter one was watching me closely the whole time.

I went very slowly, not pushy at all. Gradually I reached over and put my arms around the lighter one and puled her closer so that she was pressing more fully against her friend. She was a bit uncomfortable with that at first but I started to softly kiss her lips and nuzzle her cheek and she got distracted.

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Kissing was awesome, with the darker one nuzzling both of us as we kissed and then sort of realizing what she was doing and pulling back a bit, but then doing it again. We moved and sat on the edge of the bed and I knelt before the two of them and kissed their stomachs and the top of their legs continually and asked them if they liked it, which they did and I could feel them shake a bit as I moved along and kissed their pelvis at the edge of their panties.

They were a bit apprehensive at this point as I think they were wondering how things would proceed. I asked if they would kiss each other and they indicated that they had never done that, however they did not say no. We talked about it some and I told them that no one but them would ever know and asked 'why not, don't you think she is pretty?' Yes. They pecked once and I smiled and told them that wasn't a kiss, could they try one softly and a bit longer.

I took a chance here, we had definitely gone beyond a strictly business type relationship and I did not want to re-introduce the money factor, but I felt like they wanted to try this (keep in mind I had taught them a few drinking games and we are all pretty drunk) and that they just needed an excuse so that they could tell themselves that they didn't do it becuase they wanted to. Without mentioning specific numbers I indicated that I could be much more generous depending on 'how nice they were with each other'.

That did the trick. They looked at each other for a few seconds and the darker one leaned over and gave her freind a long lingering kiss and the other responded after being a bit rigid for about the first three seconda

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I think I left off here.....

After they kissed they both clearly enjoyed it, but were also ashamed at the same time so I distracted them by saying that that was sooooo nice to see. Really beautiful. I asked them if it felt nice and they hesitantly both said 'yes'.

At this point I changed the subject, so to speak, and began to kiss the darker one along the inside of the leg going higher and higher until I was nuzzling her button through her panties and teasing it very softly with my tongue...this evoked more giggles and they forgot what had just transpired and began watching me. I was touching her with tiny flicks of my tongue on her button and then working up along the panty line in long strokes, sometimes 'accidentally' sneaking it a bit under and moving them a little more to the side. She would gasp a bit and giggle nervously.

Keep in mind that latin men here hardly ever go down on women and if they do, I'm told, it is only a short and unskilled foray for the purpose of turning themselves on with the act...not at all in consideration of her. It is highly likely, being 19-20 (that is what they said anyway...they certainly weren't any older) they had never had someone go down on them before, most certainly not anyone with much thought to how it felt for them. Judging from their reaction, I'm fairly sure this was the case.

The one I was kissing closed her eyes and put her hands on the back of my head and began pulling it toward her...she let out a big sigh as I gave her the first long, firm stroke up the middle finishing with a bit of a suck on her button..still through panties. At this point I took the opportunity to lay her her back on the bed and to give the other, steadfastedly watching, a long deep kiss on the mouth. Partly to let her know she was not forgotten and that she would son be getting the same treatment, but also to get her used to being close to her friend's pussy. She didn't resist my kiss, even though now I had a bit of a scent on my face.

I put their hands together and laid the lighter girl down next to her friend and asked her to kiss her frreind softly around the neck while I returned below.

When I got back down to there, she was wet through her panties...I teased her a bit and only gave her soft touches, but then moved the panties aside and began going at it directly, slowly working the tip of my tongue up the cleft to her clit and then flecking it. I would then take it gently in my lips and apply light suction to it which made her moan and writhe a bit. This continued gradually increasing pressure and firmness until she was pushing down as much as she cold and I was buried in her with her muff pressing below my nose. I would sometimes stop and back off a bit and tease her and then continue on with full-on pressure.

Up top, they were kissing each other affectionately. Not full on, but around the mouth and neck.

When the darker one shuddered and came. I pulled back and licked her slowly up and down until she was still, at which point I turned my attention to the other. She was turned on.

I laid her down on her stomach and began the same process as before, only from behind. She rolled on her side and put one leg up in the air to give me better access. I went back and forth on her slit, paying particular attention to her button and sometimes heading way south and getting a little close to her anus. She would squirm when I nibbled on that little space in between.

Once she came I was about ready to go off myself after not even putting it somewhere, so I backed off a bit and pulled up to lay down between them and pull them close to me and kiss them alternately.

Again, these girls are not used to a slow approach and were greatly appreciative of not being subjected to another 'stick it in and wiggle it around' experience. Truth was, it had been a few weeks as I had been out in the jungle on a horsepacking, hiking and canoeing excursion trip if I had gone straight in, I would have lasted about 10 seconds max.

Side note here. Bolivia has the best unspoiled outdoor activities I have ever experienced. Whether it is the jungle trips outside Rurrenebaque or in the mountains near La Paz. There are lots of very cool backpacker packages, but if you have time to get to know some people in the city...you can usually meet someone that can refer you to someone that can take you waaay off the beaten track and somewhere that isn't in any guide books. Be careful and ask a lot of questions though, many times when there is money involved, people will pretend to be very knowledgeable and don't have a clue and that can lead to a crap trip at best, and be very dangerous at worst.

So I lay with these girls for a good half hour and kissed and stroked them lightly with my fingers and they kissed me all over and returned my caresses...with genuine affectionate, at least I like to think. I alternated making out with each of them and they were both amazing kissers, really passionate and sweet. By now they were occasionaly kissing each other without my prompting, lots of nuzzling and stuff too. I couldn't get them to fully go down on each other, but did get them to kiss each other at the same time on the muff which elicited a lot of laughter and giggling.

I started with the darker one again and slowly began rubbing along her outside until she began rubbing back and invited me to go further. I know I should put on a condom at this point, but I didn't want to spoil anything, so I slowly worked my way in and began to slowly work it around inside her, all the while kissing her deeply and caressing her breasts and ass, sometimes taking a break and kissing her friend.

When I was about to come, I pulled out and took a break and moved over to kiss her friend a bit and let it subside a bit before taking the same approach with her.

Sublime, both of them. I alternated as much as I could back and forth.

Damn, have to run. I will wrap this up tonight and post of my experiences with Marabella as well.

To close off the earlier report: Things were all good and the girls stayed all night. In the end, we were all wrapped up sleeping together and we went o have breakfast at a place downtown at around 11:30 a.m. One of the girls was really freaked about what she was going to tell her Mom about why she didn't come home.

The next few days I spent heading out to some clubs and seeing the city. The clubs out in Equiopatrol are ok, this is the affluent neighborhood and everyone in these bars has a snotty attitude. They were ok with me, but I was with a few friends who were really good people, but from the wrong side of town and the rich people were pretty unkind to them. After about a few hours, we just left and went back to the center and went dancing. There is a place about 6 blocks away from the plaza that has an 'all you can drink' beer night from 8-12, you pay about $10 to enter. You can actually drink as much beer as you can hold, I did. They come by your table about every 10 minutes with fresh glasses. Everyone is plastered and everyone dances...great fun. Got some phone numbers here and danced with about 5 different chicas, a few were hot, the others were ok. Never ended up hooking up with any, but I'm pretty sure I could have. Didn't feel like putting in the time.

The next day was when I met Maribella. There is an Irish Pub (called that) adjacent to the main square and I was sitting on their patio that overlooks the square and reading a book. Of course, I'm watching chicas as thay walk by below. I notice a girl sitting on one of the benches. She is really, really cute and I keep glancing at her. She looks like she is waiting for someone, so I am not really thinking anything at this point, but then I catch her eye and she smiles at me. So I keep looking her way and we keep catching eyes. A few guys try to sit down next to her and chat her up, but she blows them off and keeps looking my way. After about 20 minutes of this, she gets up, smiles at me and starts sauntering away. I slap down money for my tab and rush out of the bar, down the steps and out onto the street. I'm about 3 blocks behind her now, walking very fast.

After a bit she turns around to see if I'm behind her, but continues to walk. Finally, I catch up to her and at first I am disappointed as she looks to be too young, like maybe 14 or 15. Damn. I decide to find out and I introduce myself and ask her if she has to be somewhere soon. She says no. She tells me her name is Maribella and we chat a bit. She tells me she is a student in university. As it is blazing hot out, humid and miserable. I ask her if she wants to go swimming at the pool in my hotel (Residencial Sands - top place, super cheap, great people and the owner, Don Pepe, is super funny and can hook you up with very nice women...girls come by and leave their number to call when extranjeros are staying there). She says yes. When I ask her how old she is, she says 17 and after asking her a few questions about what year she was born, etc., I'm inclined to believe her. She looks young, but she definitely carries herself and acts like someone who is older.

Anyway, I give her some shorts and a t-shirt and we jump in the pool and are just kind of swimming around and talking...what do you study, where is good to go in the city, etc. etc. If you have ever been in Santa Cruz in late November, you know how miserable hot/humid it is and getting into a pool is like heaven. After about 30 mins we get out and walk to my room, they are all on a courtyard surrounding the pool.

When we get inside, she doesn't make any immediate move to get changed, so I ask if she wanbts some beer. She says yes, so I call the desk and they bring a bottle. As we are drinking, I ask if she can stay a while. She says yes, but if I want to do anything, that I will have to give her some money.

Keep in mind, I have been eyeing her up and down for a long time and am extremely interested in getting with her. We sort of talk about what I might want to do...be naked, in bed...this that. As we speak, I am getting soo hard that my wet bathing suit is really uncomfortable and I dare not stand up. She asks "todo?" And I said definitely, if possible. She says maybe 100 BS for everything. She says it like it is a huge number, so I react accordingly, by looking a little shocked and thinking about it for a minute. I tell her I'm not sure, although I would probably have said yes to 500 BS...and I will have to see how well she kisses first. She gives me an amazingly passionate kiss and I just say 'yes, 100'.

We went right at it and she was super eager, I had to stop to explain a few things, like 69-ing, etc, but she didn't hesitate a bit.

She stayed all day. We got more beer and played in bed for about 4 hours until she had to get home. She gave me her sister's cell number and I called her the next day and she came over again, this time ALL day. I gave her 200 up front and she showed me her appreciation in spades.

We hung out about 4 days that week and had a total blast. I left town to go to trekking in Amboro National Park for a week and when I got back and called, her sister kept telling me that she wasn't there. I called about 3 times before I realized that the sister was blocking me, so I gave up.

Another excellent time in Santa Cruz.

Streetwalkers in Santa Cruz:

When we would be out in Santa Cruz, there are two types of girls out. Professional girls that are out on the corners of the secondo anillo (second ring - a street that encircles 'downtown') and girls that are just out at the tiendas drinking.

The corner girls range anywhere from heinously ugly to young and hot. You want to get out looking at around 11 pm to get the best girls, up until about 1-2 am. After that, quality goes down.

All you have to do is walk up to a group of girls. My favorite spot was just across the street from the Hall of Justice Court building, the only tall-ish building in town, right at Ave. Las Americas, and just pick one and ask her if you can talk to her for a bit. You negotiate a price for an hour, usually around 100 BS ($12 right now), and go to your hotel. They are usually pretty willing to please, but if you drop 150 on them at the outset, they will go all out. I met 4 hotties this way and had GFE with all of them. They warm up to gringos a lot and if they think you might want them as a girlfriend, they will act accordingly.

At night, everywhere you go the liquor stores set out tables and chairs and people sit and drink until they are wasted. Tienda girls are girls out drinking, dancing and carousing and can be easy targets. They are curious about you and will want to talk dance, etc. Buy them drinks and tell them that you think they are pretty and see where it goes. I had all sorts of success this way and they are all night deals where you can pay or not in the morning...if they hinted that they wanted money for a cab or something..then I would give them 50-100 depending. They were more than happy for this.

Ha ha! There was one guy staying at the hotel with this woman that was constantly high on a LOT of cocaine, and despite what cocaince dealers will tell you, it is NOT good for sex. At least not a lot. I dablle, but this guy was Scarface. One night he is crashed and I am at the pool table getting tanked with Don Pepe, the owner of the hotel. She comes out of the room after the guy has finished one of his shouting spells and crashes on the bed. She sits and drinks a bit with us and after a while we decide to move to one of the tiendas around the corner. She came with us and we were dancing and she starts rubbing all up and down me. Pepe is shaking his head "this is not good" he says, but he is laughing his ass off because Scarface was such a prick to everybody.

Long story short, after we are good and drunk we go back to the hotel and by this time the woman and I have been kissing quite a bit. Without thinking we head straight to my room, right next to hers, and go at it with her boyfriend \ husband \ whatever crashed out next door. After hammering for a good long time, someone starts pounding, pounding, pounding on the door. I have to run to the door buck naked and hard as a rock to prevent whoever it is from entering. They are sliding doors of frosted glass with curtains that can be drawn inside. I get to the door just as Scarface pokes his head through the curtain and I put my hand on his head and shove him back out the door, with him screaming now "where is she!" in spanish, of course. I tell him there is no one in the room with me except my wife and that if he doesn't move on soon I'm going to beat him up and throw him in the pool. He moves on and starts bangin on the next door down and yelling again. I shut the doors and almost clip my 'friend' in the process. Latch it this time to prevent unauthorized entry and go back to mi amiga in la cama.

Ha, ha, I do miss south america. That stuff just doesn't happen here.

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Member #1082,

Nice reports on SCZ. I enjoy knowing that someone else has sampled the charms of this "out of the way" spot for mongering.

A small correction, the SW scene across from the Palace of Justice, as well as the other "corners" are on the Primero Anillo (First Ring) circling the Casco Viejo (downtown).

If you are ever back this way drop me a PM.

Tictoc

Member 1082,

I'm here all week! LOL

I live in SCZ so unless I am off running around SA you'll find me here, working and playing as time permits.

Just a few notes on changes in the "club" scene:

New club on 1st ring near Av. Brazil is Cupidos (big flashy sign on 2nd floor of building) with a good selection of chicas ranging from 4 to 8 depending on taste. This club is laid out a little differently as it has an abudance of semi-private salas to sample the fun before you make the commitment. 10$ exit to the house and negotiable with the girl (200bs to 50$). Owner also has opened another club on the 1st ring near the "avion pirai" but I have not yet had the pleasure.

Flavias International - The duena of my old stand-by Flavias has moved up town with the opening of a new club on Av. Velarde #138. My chica friend tell me it is mostly "international" with imports from Peru, Argentina (Salta), Brazil and Paraguay. Worth a look some night.

TicToc

Muffdiver and All,

SC has a lot of action. I just got back from a 4 day visit but I only had one Pro. When I got to my hotel I had the front desk call a girl for me just so I could get the first one over with. It was very expensive, $60 (lol) for SC. If you check the paper most of the girls want 100BS, thats about $12.50, for an hour. The girl the hotel called was cute and had a good attitude. She started with a half-ass massage and then got undressed. She had a nice body, she was light skinned and said she was half Bolivian and half Chillian. Cut face. I would give her a 7 in the looks department. She started with FK and then BBBJ. I told her to cover it up and she rolled one on then did it in every postion I asked. I didn't ask for anal because she seemed like she was new to the biz. After I was finished she said I made her cum, who knows who cares. We started talking and I found out she had taken an hour off of her square job to come over to the hotel to make a few extra bucks. She asked if I wanted to see her again and I told her, maybe. She called the hotel later that day and the next but I didn't have to take her up on the offer. The front desk guy told me I was her first trick ever.

The non-pro action is great. Bear in mind I am 32 years old, tall, white, good looking, have money, and American. Before my trip I went on amigos.com and sent out a few winks to some of the girls from SC. I got quite a few responses. One seemed more interesting then the others so we started e-mailing back and forth. She insisted that she pick me up at the airport, so I let her. She got me a better rate at my hotel. Took me to the bank to chage money. Picked me up for lunch and then took me out that first night to a coffee bar and then a night club. The girls are super aggressive (my American standards). I was catching eyes left and right fom HOT chicas. Some of them were even with guys. Even though I am pretty good looking that kind of thing just does not happen in Miami (where I live). I ended up getting a number on the way to the bathroom and told a few girls which hotel I was staying at. My amiga was getting very jealous so we left. I took her back to my hotel and we were kissing and fooling around in the lobby when the front desk said I had a call and a few messages. I couldn't belive it. The amiga was not great looking (not bad but not great, maybe a 5)so I told her I was tired and that she should go, I put her in a cab. No taxi trip cost more then $1.50. I called one of the girls that had left me a message and arranged for her to come over, to make a long story short - She came over we went out we came back we fucked. I spent the next few days (sightseeing) with her and the nights I went out and hooked up with other non-pros. Great time. I payed for everything but it was all so cheap I didn't mind. I was buying dinners for 4 people and it would cost $15.00 with drinks. I exchanged $300 and came back to the states with change and I was spending freely- Dinners, drinks, clubs, gifts, taxis, etc.

I did see a few gentlemans clubs while I was driving around but I didn't get the chance to go. I didn't see any street action but that is not my scene. I never felt un-safe nor uncomfortable. I speak very little Spanish and most of the girls I was with spoke little to no English but no one seemed to mind. Some of them gave me little gifts before I left. The hotel people thought I was crazy because I had so many girls coming and going and calling. I had the front desk translate for most of them.

Let me know if you would like any other information.

Jake

Made it to Santa Cruz last night. Came all the way from Lima by bus, with a few tourist stops along the way. Found a place this morning on the first ring. Make a left on Brazil then look on the left a block down. The place was called Executivo club. Looked like a strip club. Going to check it out tonight. Also saw in the paper a place called Playboy Club.

Hey Muff Diver,

Been there done that at the Playboy Club. Several clubs near there, real third world action, dark, dirty, my kind of place, but, Gringo beware. Going there alone and speaking only English is not a very good idea at all. 20 B's per beer, girl gets a bracelet for every beer you drink, and these are cashed in at the end of the evening. ST is 100 - 150 B's for 15-20 minutes. I recommend stick to the casas for 100-200 B's for the hour. They are safer, cleaner and open at all hours. (8 B's /dollar)

You can also ask the cab to find El Gordo, a big fat funny guy with tons of girls, just tell him what you want. He can be found in Plaza Estudiante after 9 PM. He is the town pimp. Once again, minimum Spanish is a must for this kind of Muff diving.

Latina Addict

Santa Cruz Mongering,

Made it back to the USA, had to monger hard to find a decent chic in Bolivia. Don't get me wrong, there were many big breasted, young, hot looking, regular girls all over Santa Cruz, as compared to Brazil, where the regular girls have smaller tits. Although the prostitution and club scene are much better in Rio De Janeiro.

Ended up using a number I found in the local paper to call a service, which I was charged a total of 200 Boliviano's for the girl.
everything is really cheap in Bolivia, had a hard time finding the clubs and street girls though.

I think the name of the hotel was Amazon or somthing like that near the main square. Only $10 or $12.00 U.S. for a room.

I have decided to go to Brazil or Buanas Aires next time.

The girls in South America simply have a better attitude.

The Playboy club was in a bad part of town and Club Executivo only had ugly girls in it.

If you need a place to stay in Santa Cruz, go to the Residencial Sands at the Plaza Aleman. It is ~$10.00 per night, has a small pool, is very comfortable with cable TV and ceiling fans.

Tell Don Pepe that Steve from the U.S. sent you and he can hook you up with ANYthing you want.

The pool is such an asset! Sooooooo many times I could be talking with a very cute, very young girl and just ask them if they want to go swimming and they ALWAYS said yes (it gets hotter than hell there sometimes) and they never had suits with them so you loan them some shorts and a shirt, get a little romantic in the pool and then by the time you go back to the room to change you go at the same time and it is on.

I'm with Muff Diver...I'm 34, blonde, 6', succesful and good looking and that makes it so easy there

LOL to the person who knows El Gordo! Did he give you his card that says something like 'Executive Sales'. He can get you a lot more than women, let me tell you. He hooked us up with a giant, pure bag of you know what that we made a fortune on in Buenos Aires, evening after consuming half of it.

Well yea 1082, Gordo is a character, but that stuff in a bag scares the shit out of me. I knew he could get just about anything you want, just as long as he gets his share. All the police know him, and he pays them off accordingly.

I will be in Santa Cruz in a couple of days and will finalize a tour we mongors can get through a taxi driver I met. It will be a great tour with not one piece of ass costing more than 22 dollars, with tons of young, hard ass half that for the hour. We are settling on the places and he will be your transport and negotiator. No english, but he will have the 411 on what you want, only with mention of my name.

Stay posted.

Latin Addict

Here right now in an Entel Locutorio in Santa Cruz. just got done with a sweet session at Luna Negra with Karina. (110 B´s/hr, about 12 dollars) 21 YO, thin but soft. perky small girlish tits. LOOOONNGGG pussy hair like every Boliviana I have ever seen, and I have seen maybe around 100 naked. Very inexperienced, like I said sweet. Rode me cowboy style and came very softly and sweetly. Aaaaahhhhh.

Any way, here is some great monger info. For a tour of no less than 7, of the 100 to 150 B´s houses call Jimmy. He is a taxi driver who will drive you around for 6 hours for 20 dollars and wait while you fuck. I went around with him and found these places and have fucked at least one Crucena in every place. Like always, be patient and if you see pussy that is not to your liking, go to the next. The whole tour will take maybe 2 hours if you just go, look, have a beer and move on. Great daytime activity.

Jimmy works during the day only, but will help at night for a little more money. He speaks no english, but, do not worry. I have set him up with what we want. Just call him and have someone in spanish tell him you want the "Gringo Mauricio tour de las peladas" You will not be disappointed if you have patience. He is also looking for part timers for we gringos.

His number is 70931188. He knows that english speaking gringos will be calling. His car is ratty, (like them all) but he is super nice and is a monger himself with 2 girlfriends. Tip him a piece of ass and you will have a lifelong friend.

Please PM me or respond here how your tour went, and if you want this kind of thing done for you in the future, DO NOT TIP MORE THAN 10 B´S TO THE GIRL! Keep cheap pussy cheap!!!

PS, BJ service varys greatly in Bolivia, as it is not always offered, but hey, we are not in Baires are we guys!

If you are looking for a relaxing REAL and pretty good massage after a day of the Mauricio tour. Go to calle Murillo #318. Roxana does a really good job, is kind of cute, but will not even look at Mr. Happy, let alone jerk him off. Just a real good relaxing massage in a clean place with showers. 100 B for the hour. I tipped 20 extra. ( I did this without guilt, because it is not raising the price of pussy for my fellow mongers and myself)

The door is just a wooden door, ring the buzzer, and they will let you in. Just like an apartment, but legit here.

Am off tonight to try boliches or whiskerias named Murrillo and Brandy and Caramelo. I here there is tight, young hard assed Crucenas there at night for pretty cheap.

Latina Addict

Yep, like I promised, just got back form the whiskeria tour of caramelo and Brandy. Pretty typical 4-76s in both places, I first stopped at Caramelo. I fell in love with darling blonde Karina. Easy 8 +. Great, sexy DFK and touching for the price of her 20 B drink. We settled on her asking price of 50 US for the night plus her 100 B bar fee. Yes, yes, I know this is waayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much, but I figured it was an investment for her number to fuck her later on my terms (I did get her number, but read on). Well, I asked the usual questions that include her having her carnet (ID). Well, her young dumb ass (21 YO), left it at home, and my hotel will not let her in without it. So, I got her 411 and left to go right next door to Brandy.

In Brandy there was extremely adorable Tatiana (real name). I fell in love again with this hard assed, 19 YO, sexy, sexy latina looking crucena. Paid wayyyy too much, 70 dollar TLN and 50 B fee. But, once again it was an investment for the future, and her precious 18 YO rock hard titties got the best of me. Well, in my agnst to get going since it was late, and had to get up early, I failed to catch the fact that all the girls need to be back at the bar by 04:30 to cash out and confirm they are still alive....Shit....

Face ,9+ on any scale

Tits, 9+ large A cup, hard as rocks...wow

Body 8+, maybe one too many hamburgers, but, I am being VERY picky here Did I say she was 18? Pussy was virgin tight, and unfortunately, I got the, Oh my you are too big, and my pussy hurts..Shit... Jackson, were you in Santa Cruz this week?

Performance, 3, no BJ, paranoid about the condem and the best part was her slow, sexy, shy cowgirl for her to cum. Kind of a warm fish performance. See above tight pussy comment, mild DFK. Did I say she was 18?

Overall was a sweet, sweet girl, but will not repeat. Did I say she was 18?

Update on El Gordo. Apparently, he is not so much into girls any more. I believe he is concentrating on the imported white stuff. I am staying FAR AWAY from that scene. Unless you have thousand of Bolivianos to pay of an arresting cop, I recommend you do the same.

Also, a new pub opened beside Los Tajibos hotel, named Montreal Pub. It is a great place to pick up horny, gringo searching women. Walked in momentarily on opening night, and had numerous head nods for me to come over, but declined, since they were only 7's. and too close to my own age. Did I say she was 18?

Enjoy.

And boycott Gringa pussy, Blacks in Baires.

Latina Addict

Has anyone heard of an escort service that offers well-known models?
Last time I was in SC I was calling some escort service numbers from the classifieds section of "el Deber" and one of them (dont remember #) told me that they offer a "different service". It was way more expensive than the rest ($us100?? 50????) and offered the services of real models among them some 'magnificas' (that's like a Bolivian top model). Since it was the first time I called, the lady would get me a girl according to my tastes/likes, but in subsequent visits, they would offer the possibility of browsing trhough a "book" with pictures. I didnt try the service. Anyone heard of it or tried it?


I will browse thru my recors to see if I still have the ph #


R

Okay guys -

What is it about the girls of Santa Cruz? I was just over on the Lonely Planet Thorn Tree website and even the posters there were raving about the beauty of the women in this part of Bolivia. And they're not mongers (or at least they don't admit it.)

I'm going to be in SA for 5 weeks arriving next month. Mainly for Peru but I'm seriousy contemplating a trip into Bolivia to sample the action in SC. It would only be for a week - 10 days at most.

Tell me, after spending approx 3 weeks in Peru, will my personal mongering horizon be broadened that much by crossing the border in Bolivia? What are the main differences in appearance between Peruanas and Bolivianas? Anybody have any pics they'd like to share?

LS

Long Stroker,

When I was there, it didnt seem much like a mongering destination. However, the party scene with the non-pro's was FANTASTIC. Women there are truly beautiful.

Check the clubs along San Martin in Equipetrol on the weekends. Partying starts late (around midnight or 1 am) so you might want to take a siesta before going out.

Women and men are both flirtatious and jealous ... which can lead to some complications. This can usually be avoided with common sense though.

Spanish skills will get you a long way ... but you could still have some fun without any.

Good luck!

Try guys - Todostusdeseos.com. The only Santa Cruz web site I have been able to find. Shit for girls, and two fucking queers with tits advertised, but also good info on a few bars and houses. ie, Sol Ardiente, is one I have reported on and put on the Mauricio tour.

No over tipping guys, keep em honest.

Latina Addict

I've been going through the various reports on Bolivia, and find that this country needs some help on this site. It's a little disjointed and spare. I'll do what I can.

First, though, let me whine a bit. Coming from Brasil is always a tough act to follow. It's a little over-priced here, and the girls are a little timid. But, that aside, everyone seems to be pretty nice and there's sex to be had (if only o.k.). I haven't been to La Paz yet. Maybe that will change my attitude.

Santa Cruz:

I really scoured this place to find the good deals. There're many lower-end clubs (generally called "whiskerias," I think) all over the city. I went to about 5 of them on a Tues. night. They were all pretty dead.

Prices for these clubs seem to be in the 100-150B range. All seemingly had facilities on site. No sercurity issues.

Names for these clubs include (and I'm sure there're many, many more): Flavias, Chopp Show/Sex Club (not 100% on this name), Caramelo, Executivo, Paceña and Cupidos. There are two others mentioned on this site, Luna Negra and Playboy Club, but no taxi drivers had heard of them. Dunno. The Chopp-something club might be the best -- but none of them seemed that great.

Moving on, there's another club that looks like a whiskeria, but was about 3 times the size and featured constant stripping. It's called Show Club. This might be the best bet in town.

On the night I was there, there were about 30-40 girls working. Most were 5-6, but there were at least ten solid 7+ girls. The one I got with was a definite 8, but wouldn't me take a picture. Sigh.

Prices here are high-ish, and seemingly set by the house and non-negotiable. 40USD for sex; on-site room 30B; drinks are 25B each (girls get 10B, so watch out for drink sharks); and 20USD to exit with the girl for all night.

There are two high-end clubs in S.C. that I wouldn't recommend all that much. They are Ceasar's Palace and Curvy's. Sex is set by the house at 100USD at each place. 100B for rooms on site, or 50USD for take out. All drinks are 60B at Ceasar's, and the 20B entrance fee at Curvy's gets you a free drink. About 30-40 girls at each place. Lotsa 7s -- but come on, for that much money, I want a whole lot more.

I did run into El Gordo (seemingly the town pimp). He hangs out on the diagonal corner opposite the front-side of the Pl. de Estudiantes. Stand with it to your back and look to your 10 o'clock. You'll see him and a few girls across the street.

His girls were alright (7s), but I guess pimping is illegal so everthing was done with a "drug deal" feeling to it.

Here's what happened: He, I and a girl got into a taxi and drove to a sex motel on the way to the airport. He pocketed 300B for the girl (not sure how much she got), and then he and the taxi driver waited in the motel garage right next to the room during the session. Weird.

The room was 45B, then I had to pay the taxi driver 50B for his time, and Gordo wanted another 50B for his time. WTF! Then, he insisted on droping me off at my hotel. He's a little gruff, but I guess more-or-less trustworthy. He wanted to take me to a bordel, I think, for the second night. A place he claimed had many, many fine girls. Dunno. Didn't go.

One last thing: I checked out the Montreal Pub next to Los Tajibos hotel. It's hard to find. If you stand in front of the hotel, the pub's about 300 feet down the small side-road to your left. It was totally dead when I got there (about 11:30 on a Weds. night).

O.k., that's all I found out. I was in S.C. during Semana Santa (Easter week), so things are probably more lively during another time.

Happy Hunting,
JWadd

P.S. Another site mentions Cartegna Club as potentially good. Dunno.

Before any serious monger doubts the existance of any reported locations, take my leads and my tours that I have set up. Please refer to my 8-14-04 post, leading you to a taxi driver named Jimmy. He knows all the local places including the Luna Negra you apparentny seem to doubt. Luna Negra is also owned by the same chick that owns Sol Ardiente. Pretty close to the Los Tajibos hotel.
Also, for every body else. Gordito is getting pretty fucking weird, used to be pretty cool, but now, greedy and possibly dangerous, o it goes on the street any way. Latina Addict recommends staying away from him for your own safety, and go where the locals go, re. mine and others reports.
PS, local papers even have Luna Negra ads in the classifieds.
Guys, learn Spanish, ask around, and keep your eyes open. Santa cruz is not Brazil, but it is a blast any way.

Latina Addict

Latina Addict,

So the papers will have the address of Luna Negra? I prefer to go there myself and not have to ride around for hours with your friend (nothing against him, I just don't want to spend all day riding around). I will be at Los Tajibos several times in May and I will look for the ads and see if I can find the address.

Me too Stinger, May at least one time at the Tajibos. Give me your dates and maybe we can TT and monger together. Hope you get my code.
Jimmy does not have to be an all day ordeal either, he also knows about my favorite little afternoon place called Las Vegas, 110B's per hour, with movies. Also La Rose, another gem for 150 B's. See what you guys miss when you don't take Latina Addict's recommendations? HHMMM, let this be a lesson to all know it all mongers..haha..

Latina addict

Interesting. Do you know for sure that they read this or is that an educated guess? Not good if they do. Also, I am trying to change the email address that is registered to this site, so you can't reach me right now via the email function. Sorry.

OK I finally found the place using the ad in the local paper. The address was not easy to find, since the maps of Santa Cruz are incomplete at best. First, it is way on the other side of town from Los Tajibos. If you get on the third ring, it is on the south side of that on the south side of town (just barely on the maps). Get off the third ring at Santos Dumont and go South. Go down to the first circle and then go east on the road out of the circle. You will see Calle 7c on your right maybe a little more than one quarter mile down. Go to the building with the 33 on the outside wall. Ring the buzzer above head level and they will come let you in. It is a 2 story house with the reception area downstairs and the bedrooms upstairs. The reception area has big couches and a TV with porn playing and is dark. You get a lineup of the chicas. The first day, there were 5 and the second day there were 10, both at around 5 in the afternoon. They advertise open 24 hours, however, when I came down the second day there were 3 kids lying on the couches!

The first day I selected a 19 year old, Cristina, who was as cute as a button and very innocent. She had small tits but was in very good shape. She was awesome in bed, but let me lead. Whatever I suggested, she did great. She was definitely like a GFE. The second time, I chose Pamela, who claimed to be 21 but was older I think. She had a better body and tits, but she kept hurrying things along and I could tell she was not really into it. She spoke a little English, whereas Cristina did not. Both girls had hairy bushes which I love and which most Bolivian women seem to possess.

I like the place and will go back, but not do Pamela. They have drinks and if you find the right one, it can be an unhurried great experience.

By the way, the first day, I went to the Sol Ardiente address from the ads and it was not there. I think next time, I will also try to find Las Vegas, which a friend of mine says is great, and cheap. Also, the area down by the courthouse still has a lot of SW, some cute. Sting em all!

Sorry to Stinger and others, but I failed to respond a couple of weeks ago when I found a family living in the house previously occupied by this great brothel. Well, it limits my choices by just a few any way.


I have found that I created a monster with quite a few of my fellow workers. It seems that Las Vegas puta house is quite the destination now. When I went there last, all the girls aked me if I knew so and so, and so and so. Just listen fellow gringos, keep the price down..ok? 110 B´s is just right for an hour of sweet Bolivian tang.
Also have found now that Cafe Alexandre is also quite the place to meet Bolivianas that want some gringo dick. Just remember that the "free pussy" is hardly ever that.

Latina Addict

Sorry, I do not have with me right now the actual address of Las Vegas brothel. It is a stones throw from the Mercado Mutualista. Cool typical market where locals shop.Everything from cow brains to internet to used kitchen faucets. Cab drivers around the market should know where it is. My taxi driver Jimmy knows where it is. Good luck and watch that tipping! ok??

Latina Addict

[QUOTE=Long Stroker]
Tell me, after spending approx 3 weeks in Peru, will my personal mongering horizon be broadened that much by crossing the border in Bolivia? What are the main differences in appearance between Peruanas and Bolivianas? Anybody have any pics they'd like to share?

LS[/QUOTE]Ask Peruvians and thy will tell you that Bolivianas are ugly, ask Bolivianas and they will tell you Peruvians are dogs.

Personally, I prefer Bolivianas, from the Santa Cruz and Beni areas. I went on a jungle tour that started in Rurrenebaque and while waiting for our boat there, I went to some kind of village celebration with a big dance show with girls from Rurrenebaque on one team and girls from Benni on the other. I honestly thought they had flown them in from somewhere until I got the scoop and it took a long time to convince me otherwise. Best part is, the guys in that area are slovenly and drunken and the soldiers kicked 90% of them out after a knife fight and that left me and two friends to the spoils. We thought we were all set and were drinking and dancing with them and even got some smoochies out on the deck overlooking the river, but the whole village was in attendance and the girls were all escorted home by moms/aunts/grandmas, etc. ended up hooking up with a pretty cute girl that worked at one of the travel agencies who was waaay on the cool side.

That said, there were some pretty good Peruvian girls too, especially in Cusco. Don't fall for the ones that flirt with you and get you to buy them drinks, not going anywhere. I pulled a pissing drunk German guy off one of them (he was bit frustrated at going home alone after emptying his pockets to buy about a million Crown Royals over 2 nights) and sent him on his way. Frida was very appreciative and over the next few nights gave me the scoop on the deal; they get paid to get gringos to buy more drinks and more expensive drinks and when they ask for Crown royal they get 90% coke, 10% CR. Some will also source customers for Tita, who is a very large supplier of white powder and get a cut of their first purchase (very rarely their last). I hung with them for about 6 week actually and every day I tried to get up early enough, leave the den of sin in which they lived on the outskirts of town and get my ass on a bus to meet my friends who had left in disgust at my debauchery. Hey it was free.

After arriving I took a shower and asked a taxi to take me to a place with chicas. He took me to Ceasar's Palace. There were about 50 girls there in the 5 to nine range (mosts7 and 8's)

I had one coke; paid about $4.00 and left, because the music there was louder than just about anywhere I've been in a long time. There are very few things that really bother me, but exceedingly loud music is one of them.

I walked across the large street to a similar club. I don't remember the name, but it's the only other one in the area. It was about $2.50 to get in and that includes one free drink. The music was not as loud here, so I decided to stay.

There were only about 30 girls here, and the beauty range here I'd say was slightly less than at Ceasar's Palace, but overall quite acceptable to me.

Bottom line was a girl sits down next to me after about 5 minutes and I find her to be very nice. I give her my number and room at my hotel. She says she'll call me when she gets off at 6 AM. She does, and all goes as planned. She basically did everything and anything I asked her to do. I was very pleased. I did not negotiate beforehand the price.

Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Tonight I had decided not to. I asked her how much and she responded whatever I wanted togive her was ok. I insisted she come up with a number, and she asked for 800 (one hundred dollars) I gave her 900 as I was very happy with her performance and I plan to see her at least once more.

Yesterday I took her and her 18 year old sister and her three kids touring around the city for 4 hours. I really enjoyed their company. They also came back to my hotel and went swimming here. The management here is great. They gave me a special great deal on my room, and when she arrived at 6 AM they treated her great and didn't charge me a penny extra for having her here. The same was true for the use of all the facilities here. Many places similar to this will charge substantially more to use their facilities, of which there are many here; but they never asked me for even one penny extra. I highly recommend this place to everyonbe if they ever get to Santa Cruz in Bolivia! I'd say that this Hotel has given me the best value for my dollar more than any other location I have stayed at in South America; and believe me, I have stayed at many many different places.

Anyway, I am headed out tonight to try some of the lower end places. I have some pics I'd share, but someone would have to tell me if and how pictures can be posted here.

Have a super evening.

K11

You will find the girls (Cambas) of Santa Cruz absolutely beautiful.

Check out The Montreal Pub across from the Los Tajibos (spelling?) hotel on the Equipetrol. I ended up taking one of the BTs home. Don't bring anything in there illegal...the US DEA detachment likes to happy hour there.

Finding chickies is easy. Get a paper, I think "EL DIA" and go right to the center of the classifieds. A blind man couldn't miss their ads. Most chickies prefer to do outcalls (A/C isn't common in a lot of casas). I would suggest visiting a few casas and getting the digits from girls you want to spend time with. Please....Please....don't pay more than US$15/hour for outcall. Speaking Spanish is a definate advantage.

One tactic I employ is to find an internet cafe near a university or any other locale where chickies hang out. I ask an attractive lady to help me out with the keyboard (they are very different in LA) and the conversation develops from there. I have about a 40% success rate with NP's this way....hell, if that was my batting average in the majors, I'd be in the Hall of Fame.

Oh yeah...try casa Las Pinas. Cabbies should know it. Try casa Las Vegas as well.

I envy your new job in VVI.

GaryOwen2

I hear Bolivia is one of the poorest countries in SA. Anybody who has been there, what are the prices like for hotel, cost of living, buying a house, pussy, meals, etc.

My uncle lived in Bolivia as a mish about 30 years ago.

Is it worth a visit? I usually go to Colombia, but am open minded. Also, how are the women compared to Colombianas?

There are some nice 3 stars hotels near the main square (Copacabana is the name of one of them) and the price is around 16 to 18 US dollars per night breakfast included (Cable tv, hot water all day, etc).

Regarding pussy, there a few nice places with nice girls for around 20 US dollars per hour. Of course there are expensive places where the price is around 80 to 100 dollars per hour.

Having been here for 3 months I can report that SC is a great place for mongering without cost! The woman here are exceptional ... beautiful, open minded and never create hassle .. if you say you just want fun they huff for a while than agree ... My experineces range form first arriving and calling girls form the local paper .. all very sweet and amazingly good value at $10-30 and hour (plus taxi at another $1 or $2)!! .. to the party zone of Equipetrol .. where fun is had till 6 or 7 in the morning In many visits there I have never not failed in getting at least 2 tel numbers of 7-9* girls. On 3 occiasions my phone has rung later in the evening(morning!) and the girl has agreed/ offered to come to my house .. each time resulting in wonderful sex.. usually bareback which is foolish but great fun! Remember these are all honest girls not pros.. they range from students, to secretaries to lawyers .. if you are a non-Bolivian you are a magnet for some v attractive women here! I can fully recommend Santa Cruz!

I am a little curious as to why there is so much more info on Santa Cruz then on La Paz? You would think the capital would have a lot more information than other cities....is there a particular reason why?

I am on my first trip to SA in a few (Cartagena) but would like to start getting info on other countries....less well travelled (so no Brazil or Argentina yet).

Thanks!

Because the women in Santa Cruz are HOT, as in Brazilian-looking hot.

Various schemes abound however. Sometimes some guy posing as an undercover cop approaches you on the street and wants you to show him your passport. Don't!
It's a scam. You may not see your passport again.

There is not much poverty in Santa Cruz as compared to the rest of Bolivia.
Women don't seem that desperate. Yet, there is great action in some of the clubs.

There are also many private residences on Tercero Anillo that taxistas know about where women and drinks are available.

I found the clubs to be the best bet in this town.

There is a girl, called America who worked in one of the clubs there.
Hot, Brazilian--looking babe, sweet, passionate very GFE-like. A great woman if you are looking for a three-hole allnighter.

[QUOTE=Concarne]I am a little curious as to why there is so much more info on Santa Cruz then on La Paz? You would think the capital would have a lot more information than other cities....is there a particular reason why?

I am on my first trip to SA in a few (Cartagena) but would like to start getting info on other countries....less well travelled (so no Brazil or Argentina yet).

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Concarne]I am a little curious as to why there is so much more info on Santa Cruz then on La Paz? You would think the capital would have a lot more information than other cities....is there a particular reason why?QUOTE]

It has been a decade since I was in Santa Cruz de la Sierra and La Paz in the same trip. The reasons, are mostly climate and racial groups. La Paz is at such a high elevation it is constantly cold, even in a house, and often rainy or cloudy. Nobody gets in the mood in these conditions. Whereas, Santa Cruz is tropical, people wear less clothing, party more, etc. Secondly, La Paz is full of conservative, rotund, highland Indians who go to bed early. Santa Cruz is full of a mix of tropical Indians who are quite sensual and sexual, plus, imports from all over Brazil, Paraguay, etc. Also, Santa Cruz is a center for transport acrosss the borders and is always way looser than La Paz.

As a general rule, I have found in Latin American: the more tropical, the more sexually uninhibited.

Have a great trip!

I am planning to stay in Santa-Cruz one month next August.

I have heard that it is the most expensive place in Bolivia.

Do you think 1000$ will be enough, all included (correct accomodation and chasing non-pro girls)?

[QUOTE=Traveller22]I have heard that it is the most expensive place in Bolivia. Do you think 1000$ will be enough, all included (correct accomodation and chasing non-pro girls)?[/QUOTE]

Dear Traveller22,
The short answer is that $1,000 is not enough. It has been a while since I have been in Santa Cruz, but because it is a center of economic activity pricees are steep by Bolivian standards.

However, there are a few workarounds that might help you keep your costs down: 1) get an apt or rent a room at a home where they rent rooms to students, 2) get a girlfriend there, rather than P4P, 3) know enough Spanish to worm your way into the culture and get discounts.

Depending on what style you are used to traveling and mongering in, I think it would be very easy to spend $100/day there if you stay in a decent hotel and get high quality girls. Even if you are fluent in Spanish and a very experienced monger, $1,000 for a month could be very tight.

That said, Santa Cruz is the only sure thing in Bolivia for mongering - it is great.

Best of luck,
M.L.

Dear Traveller22,
I received a PM from a fellow mongerer concerning your budget of $1,000/month. The author obviously disagrees with me. Wanted to make sure you got to read his comments as his perspective is quite different than mine.

My advice is: construct your own budget estimate ahead of time by reading travel books, searching the on-line newspaper classified ad sections in Santa Cruz, other websites and this forum. You should be able to piece together housing expenses, food costs, etc and get a pretty good idea for yourself from that. Each one of us has different needs and levels of comfort that we want. So good luck and happy mongering.

Here is the text of the PM I received:
ARE YOU FUCKING NUTZ???
Munch Lunch Not To Be a Fucking Prick But Dude Bolivia is a poor [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ass country And Very Cheap. its The Cheapest country in South America with or without Evo Morales. Then You also mention in your post Wasting a 100 A Fucking Day. What??? Shit Man Are You Guys Fucking Millionares or WHAT?? That Is The Reason I Come to South america To Monger cause its Damn Fucking cheap Then You Fucking Tell Another Monger a 1000 A Month Is not enough in Santa Cruz Bolivia. BULLSHIT DUDE. I Lived in Lima Peru For about between a 800 to a 1000 A Month And I Lived a Good Middle Class life there and 3 out of those 4 years I Was Mongering still And Supporting My Future Wife And Kid. I Lived In Good and Medium Areas in Lima Too. Man Dude Next Time give good advice Cause Your Full Of It. This Is What Fucks Up The Site Your Fucking B.S. OK Man Reply Fast Cause You Pissed me off Bad,,, NIBU....

$10 per day, decent lodging with aircon and cable TV.
$10 per day for meals, eating well.
$20 per day for a sweet honey from one of the clubs, 2+ hours session.
$10 per day for taxis and incidentals. Buses are easy to figure out, so you could get around cheaper, and take taxis only at night.

The above budget assumes that you want to monger everyday without a break.

I am sure you could find more expensive hotels and more expensive clubs.

If you do the math, a monthly budget of $1500 is needed.

On the other hand, if you are willing to settle for lower quality girls from the whiskerias or the streets, you could shave off $10 from your daily expenses.

Eating at least one meal from street vendors could reduce your food budget by $3 per day or so.

It seems that you could live well and have women every day for about $1100 per month.

Having a girlfriend there might reduce costs further--I don't spoil them for sure.

For $2000 per month you could really have a blast.

[QUOTE=Member #2055] If you do the math, a monthly budget of $1500 is needed. Eating at least one meal from street vendors could reduce your food budget by $3 per day or so. It seems that you could live well and have women every day for about $1100 per month. Having a girlfriend there might reduce costs further--I don't spoil them for sure. For $2000 per month you could really have a blast.[/QUOTE]

I like Member 2055's analytical methods, advice, and would tend to think $1,500/month would do. The only difference of opinion I have is eating from street vedors. Hepititus and other sicknesses are often contracted, even by the locals, from street vendors.

Bolivia is a dirt cheap country, but Santa Cruz is the most expensive place in the country. However, by any standard it is not nearly as expensive as large cities in Brazil, etc.

The truth of the matter is:
1) how good is your Spanish?,
2) how young and good looking are you and how good is your game with the "chicas"?, and
3) how much experience do you have living in Latin America? If you are strong in all three, this trip can possibly be done for $1,000. However, if you are weak in any of these it can get expensive fast. Even very poor countries are effective at separating an inexperienced, English speaking gringo from his money. Happy Mongering. M. L.

Below is another PM I received:

You Are Still Fucking Nutz...

Hey Diphead Munch Your post almost had Traveller 22 Cancel. where The Fuck do you come across that Santa Cruz is expensive? It is not. Everywhere in Bolivia is cheap. Most people in Bolivia just live on over a 100 bucks a month. It is the poorest country in South america and is like 70% Indian even more then Peru. I think Peru is like 45% Indian And i Still lived cheap there. Dude Do You Take Viagra on these trips? Not Everyone can blow a load everyday And bow there money everday. 1000 Is Plenty for this dude Traveller. Bolivia Is Cheap like I Keep on telling him. He could even do it on 800 a month for sure As long as he just stays in Santa Cruz even if he did travel too on 800 he might get by on that since Bolivia is Damn Cheap... Damn Munch People are Not Rich Like You. Stay away from South America And Do not ruin it for us go to Europe then. Do not screw things up for us mongers that want it low down and dirty or middle class style....

Hey guys,

Howyadoing writing for you people. I got some Knowledge of girls from Santa cruz because I lived there for 12 years. I'm 19 now. But I'm living overseas right now but going back there before carnival that is in February next year and god there are plenty of pussies screaming for cock in that time of the year and is no bullshit what I'm writing. Listen first of all girls from santa cruz, beni and pando (bolivia) are heaps better than peruvian girls in any way. Good case is Miss bolivia 2006 in miss universe this year she came in the ten finalist but she deserved to be higher tha that and you know she is from santa cruz so there you go.

You want heaps of girls then go before the start of carnival (it is in February) a week or couple of weeks before until the end of it if you can. Girls will do go to bed cheaper because they need the money to party hard in carnival and guys go around the university gabriel rene moreno around the shops in avenida busch there are plenty there young and cheap.

Do it guys don't forget I'll be writing soon. Have to go now.

I will be heading to Desagudero, Peru-Bolivia border to get visa extension. I
would be very grateful to those in the know to tell me how far away St Cruz
is from Peru-Bolivia border crossing. I have read good things about St Cruz
regarding *****s!

While looking for some information on the subject I came across a report that
said ...¨you need $ 1,500 a moth to have a good time in St Cruz¨...

I have made it on about $ 400 a month in Pattaya for the past four or five
years. The first time I ventured into Pattaya I stumbled into a Hotel that had
three rooms for $ 5, the rest of the rooms were more expensive. The place is
cleaned every day, two bottles of water daily, cable tv, no a/c, fan, five store high, no elevator. On the corner of 2nd road and Central road there is a Super-Market, they have cheap, freshly made food every day. Some days
I would have the luxury of washing my food down with a bottle of beer . I would screw once a week, depending on how often I would find an attractive *****. So, it depends on how deep you want to cut corners!

[QUOTE=Samu Ray]I will be heading to Desagudero, Peru-Bolivia border to get visa extension. I would be very grateful to those in the know to tell me how far away St Cruz is from Peru-Bolivia border crossing. I have read good things about St Cruz regarding *****s![/QUOTE]It appears that the straight line distance is 400-500 statute miles. Of course, given the topography the actual travel distance is bound to be at least 1/3 of that more, depending on mountains, rivers, and indirect routes.

I used Google Maps. You can also download Google Earth to plot out along the major roads.

[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Santa+Cruz,+Bolivia&ie=UTF8&z=5&ll=-17.769612,-63.193359&spn=19.626248,43.374023&t=h&om=1&iwloc=addr[/url]

I normally would have encoded the URL in ******* to save space, but I do not want to annoy Jackson.

Have a good trip.

[QUOTE=Samu Ray]I will be heading to Desagudero, Peru-Bolivia border to get visa extension. I would be very grateful to those in the know to tell me how far away St Cruz is from Peru-Bolivia border crossing. I have read good things about St Cruz
regarding *****s![/quote]Hey Samu Ray,

The travel by bus from the border to scz will be a 1000 kms. And you better do a stopover in Cochabamba if you want, very nice place and nice girls to stay for a few days.

Hey you gonna stay for carnival (not to be missed) in scz or your leaving before that, if you stay we can meet. I'm arriving from australia in the end of January in scz so I can show you around.

I will be moving to Santa Cruz for at least a few years, and will need to acquire an apartment or a hotel that offers long term rates. A (semi)furnished apartment is preferred. Do any of you have any recommendations and/or contacts for this area?

Mi espanol no es muy bueno, pero me gusta hablar y practicare con mis novias antes mi viaje.

Muchas gracias por tu ayuda, mis hermanos.

2J

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]I will be moving to Santa Cruz for at least a few years, and will need to acquire an apartment or a hotel that offers long term rates. A (semi)furnished apartment is preferred. Do any of you have any recommendations and/or contacts for this area?[/quote]Too Jaded:

When arriving in Santa Cruz buy the local newspaper 'el deber' and look at the section 'clasificados' and look in that section for rent apartments 'alquilar' and you will find places to rent. A bit of advice for places to rent for: if ur single and want an affordable and nice place( your looking between 200$ and 400$ a month including water, electr.) get an aparment in avenida centenario between 2 and 3 anillo near the campus of universidad gabriel rene moreno, apart from being affordable its 1km from la plaza principal.

If you want a mid t upper class apartment (350$ to??) to rent, look for in Barrio Equipetrol. You will be near the nightclubs and pubs and parties.

Hey Guys

I was recently in Asuncion to visit my Novia. I did notice lots of looks from other Chicas in PY. And when I would walk around without her I would have many Chicas come talk to me. Similar to how they are in Peru, or Colombia. I was wondering about visiting Santa Cruz without her of course. Never been to Bolivia.

Can somebody say a few things with comparing chicas between the two countries. Specifically Santa Cruz and Asuncion? Non Pro's, Amateurs, Pro's, ETC.

Cheers, and happy hunting.

Mongers,

I have a four night trip planned to Santa Cruz for the weekend of May 10-14 and I am looking for some advice on scoring an apartment or house to rent for the length of the stay. I am going with two buddies (we all live in Buenos Aires and we are all close personal friends of Jackson's) and we need a three bedroom apartment or house preferably in the city center/ as close the the non-pro/ pro action as possible ,and for a stay of that length money is not really an issue. I have searched the internet for apartment rental sights (there are literally thousands of tourist apartments for rent in Buenos Aires) and have found nothing at all.

Also, any CURRENT information on both non-pro and pro scenes in Santa Cruz would be greatly appreciated from any resident Santa Cruz monger or any recently departed monger. I feel low just pandering for info on Santa Cruz without contributing anything but I have contributed hundreds of reports on the Argentinaprivate.com forum and I promise to post all my relevant experiences in Santa Cruz here once I return to Buenos Aires.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Mongers,

I have a four night trip planned to Santa Cruz for the weekend of May 10-14 and I am looking for some advice on scoring an apartment or house to rent for the length of the stay. [/QUOTE]

Your best bet for a short term stay in Santa Cruz is to try the extended stay suites (i.e. serviced apartments) at the Camino Real hotel, which most of the expats live at on a month to month basis. It runs about $1100/mo but it is 5-star quality. I imagine that shorter term arrangements can be made.

I'll be there soon myself around that time so PM me and I may have some updated info for you. I need to keep my professional and personal identities separate however, so keep things on the DL if we end up running into each other.

[QUOTE=K11]

Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. Tonight I had decided not to. I asked her how much and she responded whatever I wanted togive her was ok. I insisted she come up with a number, and she asked for 800 (one hundred dollars) I gave her 900 as I was very happy with her performance and I plan to see her at least once more.

[/QUOTE]

Is it just me, or was this way too much? I was under the impression that 200 was the ballpark for ST, 400 for LT. But I have yet to monger in Bolivia.

I hate the negotiating process, but after seeing how inflated the prices have become in BKK and Phils I realize that it is up to us to help keep inflation to a reasonable level.

Mongers-
As I stated earlier, I will be in Santa Cruz next week from May 10-14 and my buddies and I will be staying at the Yotau All Suites hotel (allegedly 5 stars) located on Avenida San Martin in Barrio Equipetrol. We reserved a 3 bedroom suite to the tune of $150 USD per night ("weekend rate"). Any resident mongers with any comments or advice on this hotel or this location would be very much appreciated. I am also looking for current information on any private apartments (not sure if they exist here), good clubs for picking up top level pros, and good bars/clubs for picking up non-pros, as that is what I am primarily interested in (I'm in my mid-20's). In addition, any good restaurants, sights, etc would be appreciated. Send me a PM or post any details here. Any visits to Buenos Aires by Santa Cruz residents will be payed in reciprocy.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Mongers-
Arrived here yesterday around 2:30pm after a slightly delayed flight on Aerolineas Argentinas from Buenos Aires. I changed my plans so now my buddies and I are staying at the Camino Real Hotel. When we arrived, I point blank told them we would be having many female visitors, and they tried to say there would be a $30 USD fee per visitor. We made it crystal clear that arrangement was unacceptable and we would be leaving to another hotel immediately, and they quickly backed off that scam.
This hotel does provide excellent services, however, which make it worth the steep price (for Bolivia). We hired a taxi driver for the entire night (9pm-5am) and it only cost $30 USD, all arranged by the hotel. He took us to two different clubs, across the street from each other, and also a casa privado. The first club, Curry's, was subpar and I do not recommend it. Caesar's Palace, the other club, had major talent floating around. More to follow
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler

Mongers,

I've just more or less finished a 5 days stint in Santa Cruz de La Sierra (I leave in about 10 hours) and its time I write that extensive report I promised. Well, I arrived on Thursday 10 May with several well known Buenos Aires characters (including Jackson himself) and we ended up staying the entire time at the Camino Real Hotel, located just outside the Equipetrol neighborhood. Since we had a reservation, three of us paid $98 USD per night while Jackson got away with a walk up rate of $85 USD. My room had two queen size beds, which made for a nice fuckbed/ sleeping bed combination. I definetly have to give the hotel its due for the extensive services it offers, from 24 room service, to 24 hour car service, good food, and knowledgeable staff. The hotel car service is dirt cheap in that it goes for 30 bolivianos (slightly less than $4 USD) per HOUR. The hotel car service drivers have a photo album of about 10 different chicas that go for $50 USD for an hour and a half. Two of my buddies test drove the chicas with mixed results, although bareback was definetly available from all the chicas surveyed.

We made it to three different clubs, two high end (Caesar's Palace and Curry's) and one low end (Cafe Show). Caesar's Palace and Curry's were more or less the same, drinks were ridiculously cheap but the bar fine to get the chica out for the night was $50 USD at both places. I got the same girl out of Caesar's Palace Thursday and Friday night, took Saturday off, and had the same girl over for a freebie on Sunday (her day off). Her name, Reina (not real name), a 22 year old very hot Crucena, gave a very good performance, and they got better each night we were together. By the end of the second night and all of the third, full bareback and a great experience overall. Caesar's Palace and Curry's are directly across the street from each other, the low end club, Cafe Show is located in the centro. Cafe Show had about 30 or more chicas but only about 4 doable girls, some of the girls were 250 pound hogs, and they wanted the same prices as the girls at Caesars/Currys. The two high end clubs had an assortment of very hot chicas, and keep in mind that the vast majority of chicas at these three clubs were NOT Bolivians, mostly Paraguayans, with some Ecuadoreans, Brasilians, and Colombians thrown in.

The taxi drivers know about private houses that resemble a high school party with native girls hanging out and drinking, and you can buy drinks and fuck the girls if you want to. The quality at the place we stopped at was low and not cheap enough to make it worthwhile.

I ate at three different restuarants, Casa de Camba (a traditional Cruceno place), Los Hierros, and La Suisse, all of which were good. Los Hierros had the best steak in town and honestly rivaled the finer parrillas in Buenos Aires for quality, at dirt cheap prices. La Suisse was more upscale and more expensive but still cheap, and had a good variety of seafood, and exotic dishes such as llama, duck, and the like. Although I did not go to them, there are McDonalds and Burger King available, along with Subway (which I did eat at the airport).

My overall impression of this place is that it is definetly worth a stop as it is a nice small city with hot pussy available and dirt cheap prices for everything except for the pussy prices themselves. As a result of this being Bolivia, meaning it is impossible to blend in and so few gringos actually living here full time, getting cheap local prices for hot chicas seems almost impossible for the short time visitor. I speak spanish and can negotiate rock bottom prices in Buenos Aires but this economy is so dollarised it just doesnt make a differnce here. This is a very safe city, probably alot safer than Buenos Aires, the people are happy and content and hate Evo Morales with a passion. The amount of $40, 000 USD SUVS driving around was truly astonishing especially seeing the shitboxes driving around Buenos Aires all the time. I can also recommend the Montreal Pub, the owner Ivo is a solid guy and he explained that all the money here comes from a combo of all the natural gas and the huge cocaine trade in the area. I expected to work alot of non pros while I was here, as there are some super hot chicas at the clubs in the Equipetrol and they are friendly and open, but the loud music and atmosphere in the clubs does not lend itself to the one night stands I was looking for. If I was here for around a month and engaging in typical daily activities I would clean up with the non pros I think. I will definetly be back to Santa Cruz de La Sierra.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

Does anybody know if we can use a US-issued ATM/Debit card in Santa Cruz for cash? After reading Santa Cruz section, I am encouraged to stop by Santa Cruz for my up-coming S. America trip and usually don't bring cash down there.

Thanks,

Chute

[QUOTE=Chute]Does anybody know if we can use a US-issued ATM/Debit card in Santa Cruz for cash? After reading Santa Cruz section, I am encouraged to stop by Santa Cruz for my up-coming S. America trip and usually don't bring cash down there.

Thanks,

Chute[/QUOTE]Visa and Mastercard worked in the ATM's for me.

B

[QUOTE=Chute]Does anybody know if we can use a US-issued ATM/Debit card in Santa Cruz for cash? After reading Santa Cruz section, I am encouraged to stop by Santa Cruz for my up-coming S. America trip and usually don't bring cash down there.

Thanks,

Chute[/QUOTE]Chute,

Not a problem. All the ATMs will work with US cards.

Enjoy,

TicToc

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

Three friends and I took a break from the chicas in Buenos Aires and spent a weekend in Santa Cruz. The information previously posted in this thread was generally accurate, so all I'm really going to do here is collate the info. I also see that my buddy Tictoc is still alive and kicking, and I can tell you that you can trust the accuracy of his previous reports herein.


[size=+1][b][u]Hotels[/u][/b][/size]

[b][u]Hotel Camino Real[/u][/b]
Equipetrol Norte Y 4to Anillo (4th ring road)
Casilla 2130
Telephone 591 3 3423535
[email]hotel@caminoreal.com.bo[/email]
[url]www.caminoreal.com.bo[/url]

This is the perversly expensive ($95 USD/night) hotel where we stayed. They rated themselves as a 5 star place, but I didn't rate it any more than 4 stars. The hotel was chica-friendly, they had internet connections in the rooms for only $5 USD per night more, and the pool area was nice.

[b][u]Los Tajibos aka "El Conquistador"[/u][/b]
Ave San Martin 455
Telephone (591-3) 3421000/4
[email]santacruz@lostajiboshotel.com[/email]
[url]www.lostajiboshotel.com[/url]

This is the hotel that is essentially across the street from The Montreal Pub (see below) and is apparently the hotel of choice for many visiting sport fuckers. It's approximately the same quality as Camino Real but the room rates were more in the $60-75 USD range or less depending upon the usual factors.

[b][u]Hotel Caparuch[/u][/b]
Av San Martin 1717 (Sirari)
Telephone 591 3 342-3303
[email]caparuch@entelnet.bo[/email]
[url]www.hotelcaparuch.com[/url]

Another place we inspected as a potential future place to stay.

[b][u]Hotel Tropical Inn[/u][/b]
Calle Espana 351/353
Telephone 3346613 / 3145886
[email]hotel_tropicalinn@hotmail.com[/email]

Another place we inspected as a potential future place to stay.

[b][u]Yotau Suites 5 Star Hotel[/u][/b]
Av. San Martin 7
Barrio Equipeteol
Bolivia, South America

Another place we inspected as a potential future place to stay.

[b][u]Royal Hotel[/u][/b]
Ave San Martin 200
Telephone 591-3 3438000
[email]royalhotel@unete.com[/email]
[email]ventas@royallodgehotel.net[/email]
[url]www.royallodgehotel.net[/url]

The Royal Hotel is a new facility that is right down the street from the Camino Real. It appears to have all the right amenities, and the prices were more in the $50USD per night range. My associates and I concluded that this is where we would probably stay during our next visit.


[size=+1][b][u]Restaurants[/u][/b][/size]

Food is very cheap and was of generally good quality in Santa Cruz. Each night my associates and I continued to ask for recommendations to the most expensive places in the city, and on each night we were taken to progressively more upscale places, but even the mid-priced restaurants did a great job, and in our opinion the variety of food was superior to the bland fare we generally get in Buenos Aires.

[b][u]Los Hiorros Steak House and Bar[/u][/b]
Av Monsenor Rivero #300
Telephone 337-1309

A good, mid-upper scale steak house that served steaks that were every bit as good as the steaks in Buenos Aires.

[b][u]Chalet La Suisse[/u][/b]
Calle Los Gomeros No.98 Sirari
Santa Cruz - Bolivia
Telephone (591-3) 3436070
Casilla 2160
[email]santacruz@chaletlasuisse.com[/email]
[url]www.chaletlasuisse.com[/url]

Excellent food, I recommend it.

[b][u]Candelabro[/u][/b]
Calle 7 Oesta (Cordoba) No 9
Telephone (591-3) 337-7271
[email]restaurantecandelabro@entelnet.bo[/email]

This was unquestionably one of the most expensive restaurants in Santa Cruz. We were seated in the outside patio next to the small pool. Everything we tried was excellent, including the seafood which we simply don't get in Buenos Aires. We did a full course meal, and the bill for all three of us including a generous tip was under 500 Bolivanos (approximately $60 USD for everything)


[size=+1][b][u]Expat Hangouts[/u][/b][/size]

[b][u]The Montreal Pub[/u][/b]
3rd Anillo Externo
Across the street from the [u]Convention Center entrance[/u]
of the Los Tajibos Hotel

The Montreal Pub is certainly a friendly place, and it didn't take long after we entered for locals to just come right up and introduce themselves. We did notice while we were there that there were certainly several attractive women who were somewhat "friendly", but one also got the impression that they expected at least a little seduction effort on your part.


[size=+1][b][u]Clubs[/u][/b][/size]

[b][u]Curry's[/u][/b]
Av. Cristo Redentor
Barrio 12 de Octorbe, calle #2
Telephone 3426116

Curry's is probably the 2nd nicest club in Santa Cruz. Medium sized, with a reasonable show which I never give a fuck about but I know some guys do. 30b for entry includes one drink. $30USD bar fine, plus a universal $50 USD for the chicas. The chicas were 6-8, with an occasional 9 depending upon your rating scale.

[b][u]Caesar's Palace[/u][/b]
Caesar's Palace is easliy the nicest club of it's type in Santa Cruz, although I don't have an address for this club because every time I asked for a card, they couldn't find one. Nevertheless, it's across the street and approximately one block down from Curry's. Obviously, every cab driver will know where it is.

Caesar's Palace is a [u]BIG club[/u] with two runways, lots of space and lots of chicas. Same price structure as Curry's. I would recommend it as a "must visit" place.

[b][u]Cafe Show International[/u][/b] aka "Show Club"
Calle Tarija #399 esq. Republiquetas

This club is not in a good part of town, the 5 star self-anointed rating is a complete joke, and by many respects it's a dive. I liked it! The girls that work there all take turns dancing and stripping nude on the center, floor level stage. The prices for drinks were insignificant, although we continued to get the usual $50 USD per session price quotes from the chicas.


[size=+1][b][u]Casa de Putas[/u][/b][/size]

Although I am sure that the city has it's share of brothels, we only visited "Las Pinas". I think I got the name correct, but I have some doubt because I noted that the street address was Las Pirias 276. Anyway, it was a single-story house in a residential neighborhood. We sat in the living room, drank beers and were introduced to the chicas as they filtered in at their leisure. My associates described it well as having the feeling of a high school house party. None of us saw anything that met our minimum standards so we left after hanging around for about half an hour.


[size=+1][b][u]Street Girls[/u][/b][/size]

As noted in other posts, a primary hangout for street walkers is the plaza in front of the Palace of Justice, which is the local courthouse. My associates and I did some scouting, but they were generally below my minimum.


[size=+1][b][u]Other Notes[/u][/b][/size]

1. The city layout is easy to learn with a traditional "old town" center area, a series of streets radiating therefrom (called "radials", with numbers), and encircled by a series of 4 ring roads (Anillos). The 4th ring road is only partially completed at this time.

2. The currency is the Bolivano, which on this date was worth about 8 per USD. The Bolivano is worthless outside the country, so spend whatever you have while you're there because there's no place to exchange them outside Bolivia.

3. There is obviously a strong combination of oil and cocaine money in the city, with lots of new luxury car dealerships, lots of expensive cars on the roads, and large luxury homes built perodically in the middle of the general squalor.

4. The ATM's worked everywhere we tried them. No problems.

5. Taxis are cheap but they do not have meters and they are [u]not[/u] readly available on the street. The practice is to contract with a taxi driver, typically in front of your hotel, to drive you to and from your destination. The price is cheap at $30 B per hour ($4 USD per hour) so it's easy to get a driver for the entire evening for 20-30 bucks.

6. There apparently are no escort websites in Santa Cruz. If anyone knows of one, please post it here.

7. The hotels generally do not permit their employees to get involved in procuring chicas for guests, so all inquiries are referred to the taxi drivers who are all to happy to show you their photo albums of available chicas. What was funny was that every photo album or stack of photos we reviewed all included the nationality of the chica written on the photo, and not one of them was Bolivian. There were girls from Paraguay, Ecuador and Peru, with a few Brazilians, but no Bolivian chicas. Again the price was stuck at $50 USD per hour.

8. Just like with the taxi driver's photos, the better looking girls in the clubs were not Bolivian. For sure there were Bolivian women working in the clubs, but none of them approached my minimum standards.

9. The "Party Area" is an area called Equipetrol on the NW side of the city. It's essentially a street with a number of clubs, bars and discos. I don't remember the street name, but any taxi driver will know where it is. As will be obvious on any evening, the city residents are apparently fond of parking their SUV's on the side of the street in Equipetrol and partying all night right out of their vehicles.

10. There is a fucking $28 USD exit fee at the airport.


[size=+1][b][u]Final Observations[/u][/b][/size]

We originally targeted Santa Cruz in anticipation that the female descendants of the Europeans that generally settled the eastern half of Bolivia would be of the style that would appeal to my associates and I. Unfortunately, while there were lots of attractive women fitting the basic criteria, they weren't working in the clubs, which were instead filled with girls from other parts of South America. Hell, I can get all the Paraguayans I want in Buenos Aires. In addition, the generally quoted price of $50 USD is also the same as in Buenos Aries, so what's the point of traveling 1,500 miles for the same thing?

For sure, as I said, there were lots of taller, thin, lighter skinned, attractive women in Santa Cruz, but they weren't interested in being picked up by tourists. I watched the two young, Spanish-fluent American turks I was traveling with try for several hours to engage in conversations with these women in the discos, all to no avail.

I think Santa Cruz is possibly a good city to consider living in, with cheap food and housing costs, a warm climate and the potential to meet local women if you lived there, but I can't recommend it as a sport fucking destination.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Jackson,

Glad that you and Rock were able to make it and have such a good time. Too bad I missed you at the bar or Ivo's, but I am glad that some of the info I was able to provide helped out. As someone living and working here I can say that you are spot on about everything, only it has taken me two months to figure as much out.

I have a couple personal favorite galls I call that I can share next time...

2J

[blue]Too Jaded,

That would be my fault as I didn't decide to go until the day before the flight, and thus I didn't do any real advanced preparation except for reading a printed version of the forum while on the flight.

We'll be sure to contact you before the next trip.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]Your best bet for a short term stay in Santa Cruz is to try the extended stay suites (i.e. serviced apartments) at the Camino Real hotel, which most of the expats live at on a month to month basis. It runs about $1100/mo but it is 5-star quality. I imagine that shorter term arrangements can be made.
[/QUOTE]Buganvillas has condo for a long/short term stay in. You may get a deal below $500/mo for a 2BR. The hotel is very nice too, and the cost may be the same as Camino Real.

Try the Cartagena nearby (10min walking). Girls are from the 5 - 8 scale. The place is very safe. It costs $20US or $40+$20(bar fine) for a night. Things start happening around 9pm. Fridays and Saturdays have more variety.

Does anyone have information on activating your GSM cellular for local Cellular Service in Santa Cruz? For example, in Colombia, you can choose from three cellular provider's, COMCEL,Tigo & Movistar. Are similar services available in Santa Cruz.
Thanks,
Miami Bob

[QUOTE=Senor Amable]Does anyone have information on activating your GSM cellular for local Cellular Service in Santa Cruz? For example, in Colombia, you can choose from three cellular provider's, COMCEL,Tigo & Movistar. Are similar services available in Santa Cruz.
Thanks,
Miami Bob[/QUOTE]

Around here there is primarily Cotas and Entel. I would recommend the latter. No need to sign up for anything, just go to Siete Calles or one of the bazaars and for about $50 you'll walk out with a decent Motorola cellphone, an activated SIM, and about 50Bs worth of credit.

Too Jaded,thanks for the Cellular Info. I've been doing Medellin for the last six years about ten trips a year. I need a change and have been thinking about Santa Cruz. Have you been to Medellin and if so, how would you compare Santa Cruz to Medellin,Colombia?
Again, Thanks for the Cellular info.
MiamiBob

Does anyone know what a roundtrip ticket from Buenos Aires should cost on Aerolineas Argentina?

Please advise.

Hlover-
When I was back in Santa Cruz de la Sierra in May 2007, I took the flight from Buenos Aires and it only set me back about $240 USD all in. However, I have seen the flight for around $315 USD also, so anywhere from the $250-$350 USD range is the norm. This is for flights ORIGINATING in Buenos Aires; if you originate in SC de la Sierra, the flight is at least $100 USD more. I know this because I flew a Crucena into Buenos Aires to visit me just about two weeks ago.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

[QUOTE=Senor Amable]Too Jaded,thanks for the Cellular Info. I've been doing Medellin for the last six years about ten trips a year. I need a change and have been thinking about Santa Cruz. Have you been to Medellin and if so, how would you compare Santa Cruz to Medellin,Colombia?
Again, Thanks for the Cellular info.
MiamiBob[/QUOTE]

I haven't been to Medellin, but many of my friends have, and if Bogota is any indication then you'll have more fun in your old stomping grounds.

Now that I have been here for a few months I thought I would share my own thoughts as someone actually living in the city. Jackson has already summed things up nicely but I figure I'll give my resident's view. It should be taken with a grain of salt since I just moved here after a trek through BKK and the Phils, which will make anyone 'too jaded' for a fair comparison.

Santa Cruz is the largest city in Bolivia, and IMO has the prettiest women in the country. Good thing, because I do not think that I would have the stamina to screw in La Paz at its unbelievable altitude of 12,000 feet MSL. While it is the business center of Bolivia, little English is spoken, and the local language is Camba Spanish, which takes some getting used to. They drop the s here so [i]"dos paquetes de marlboros blancos"[/i] becomes [i]"do paquete de marlboro blanco"[/i], and [i]"estoy yesca"[/i] becomes [i]"e'toy ye'ca"[/i]. This and some odd vernacular will make things a little challenging. Do not be shocked if you speak decent Spanish but they do not understand you in some places.

The girls here are approachable, although they are more timid than the Colombians. Also the hot-to-not ratio is not quite as good as elsewhere. That said, that are some cuties to be had and even the younger girls (18 and up) are pretty progressive sexually. Unlike the Colombianas these girls will never call you first or make the first (or even second) move, so you need to be a little aggressive (with manners).

All in all Santa Cruz is safe for the smart-minded traveler. While pickpocketing and some late night muggings do happen outside the main avenue, those of us who are used to overseas travel will find it rather secure. However there are many demonstrations downtown as the political situation has been tense since Evo Morales took power; avoid these at all costs as they can get a little violent and even xenophobic.

$1USD ~= 8 Bolivianos, just remember 80Bs is ten bucks and do the math. Cabs are unmetered but minimum fair is 10Bs, a ride across town within ring 4 is typically 15-20Bs and an hour of random travel is 30Bs. There are small surcharges if you go outside ring 4, such as to Viru Viru airport (typically 50Bs total one way). Don't even ask, just calculate in your head and act like you know what you're doing and you won't get ripped off, or if you have to ask they'll try and overcharge 25% so try and talk them down. Also, they will [b]never have change[/b] so carry small bills with you.

Regarding P4P, there are a number of outlets. The best IMO are El Deber, Caesar's Palace, and your hotel's doorman.

El Deber is the local newspaper, and it has a rather good classified section which offers a wide variety, and often the best selection if you know how to play the listings. This can be a bit of a gamble of course, but for the most part the slightly more expensive independents are ok. This also works best if you stay at a ritzier complex with a doorman that controls the traffic going in and out. My friend got a number out of El Deber which he later gave me for what must have been one of the sexiest fucks I've had in a long time with a nice 21 y/o student and semi-pro with the nicest rack in recent memory.

Caesar's Palace is a large strip club that is fairly upscale. There are PLENTY of women to choose from that can be barfined or taken to any of the available rooms, typically costing around $75 for the latter. I tried to negotiate without success and my local buddies told me that I have to pay the 'Gringo Tax' until my face becomes that of a regular. I passed and instead got phone numbers for after-hours action which typically ran me $50 for a good two hour session back at the casa. Some girls are known to offer BBFS at these places and there is a rumor of some HIV going on, so play smart. If you simply must have BBFS then establish a steady rapport with a higher end semi-pro which will reduce the risk to some degree. [i]Hepatitis is also a major problem here, be careful![/i]

Across the street from Caesar's is a place with 'Cafe' in the name that I forget, but it is not nearly as nice as Caesar's although it has a better atmosphere. Prices are cheaper reportedly, although the hot-to-not ratio goes down as well. But it is a fun place to drink, which is all I did there.

Taxi drivers and hotel doormen are your friends. It will cost you more since they get a built-in cut of the action but they'll either send the prime beef right to your room or show you a portfolio of various gals and their availability. Do not hesitate to turn down anything that does not meet your specifications. After awhile you will build your own network of numbers to call.

There are also some other places you can try, such as '33' over by Aeropuerto Trompillo, which is a massage parlor offering full service. There are some skeezy motels on the southwest side of 4th ring (you can't miss them), which cater to the cheap short time enthusiasts, but there are many trannies too there. I stay away from those places. Another tact is to hop in a taxi and tell him you're looking for a companion, and you'll find the streetwalkers, some of whom are actually quite hot. I only wanted to see what the opportunities are and always declined, but it is an option for those who like to be adventurous.

For those going out towards Cochabamba there are brothels on the main road that goes north and then west out of Santa Cruz, which can be best seen on Thursday nights exhibiting a red lantern or a red bucket. I have never tried these, I only know what my cholo friends have told me.

If you are on a P4P vacation, I recommend Colombia, Argentina, Brazil or Peru over Bolivia. But of you are a jaded traveler looking to try something new and challenging, Santa Cruz is a decent city to try out.

2J

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]Now that I have been here for a few months I thought I would share my own thoughts as someone actually living in the city. Jackson has already summed things up nicely but I figure I'll give my resident's view. It should be taken with a grain of salt since I just moved here after a trek through BKK and the Phils, which will make anyone 'too jaded' for a fair comparison.

Santa Cruz is the largest city in Bolivia, and IMO has the prettiest women in the country. Good thing, because I do not think that I would have the stamina to screw in La Paz at its unbelievable altitude of 12,000 feet MSL. While it is the business center of Bolivia, little English is spoken, and the local language is Camba Spanish, which takes some getting used to. They drop the s here so [i]"dos paquetes de marlboros blancos"[/i] becomes [i]"do paquete de marlboro blanco"[/i], and [i]"estoy yesca"[/i] becomes [i]"e'toy ye'ca"[/i]. This and some odd vernacular will make things a little challenging. Do not be shocked if you speak decent Spanish but they do not understand you in some places.

The girls here are approachable, although they are more timid than the Colombians. Also the hot-to-not ratio is not quite as good as elsewhere. That said, that are some cuties to be had and even the younger girls (18 and up) are pretty progressive sexually. Unlike the Colombianas these girls will never call you first or make the first (or even second) move, so you need to be a little aggressive (with manners).

All in all Santa Cruz is safe for the smart-minded traveler. While pickpocketing and some late night muggings do happen outside the main avenue, those of us who are used to overseas travel will find it rather secure. However there are many demonstrations downtown as the political situation has been tense since Evo Morales took power; avoid these at all costs as they can get a little violent and even xenophobic.

$1USD ~= 8 Bolivianos, just remember 80Bs is ten bucks and do the math. Cabs are unmetered but minimum fair is 10Bs, a ride across town within ring 4 is typically 15-20Bs and an hour of random travel is 30Bs. There are small surcharges if you go outside ring 4, such as to Viru Viru airport (typically 50Bs total one way). Don't even ask, just calculate in your head and act like you know what you're doing and you won't get ripped off, or if you have to ask they'll try and overcharge 25% so try and talk them down. Also, they will [b]never have change[/b] so carry small bills with you.

Regarding P4P, there are a number of outlets. The best IMO are El Deber, Caesar's Palace, and your hotel's doorman.

El Deber is the local newspaper, and it has a rather good classified section which offers a wide variety, and often the best selection if you know how to play the listings. This can be a bit of a gamble of course, but for the most part the slightly more expensive independents are ok. This also works best if you stay at a ritzier complex with a doorman that controls the traffic going in and out. My friend got a number out of El Deber which he later gave me for what must have been one of the sexiest fucks I've had in a long time with a nice 21 y/o student and semi-pro with the nicest rack in recent memory.

Caesar's Palace is a large strip club that is fairly upscale. There are PLENTY of women to choose from that can be barfined or taken to any of the available rooms, typically costing around $75 for the latter. I tried to negotiate without success and my local buddies told me that I have to pay the 'Gringo Tax' until my face becomes that of a regular. I passed and instead got phone numbers for after-hours action which typically ran me $50 for a good two hour session back at the casa. Some girls are known to offer BBFS at these places and there is a rumor of some HIV going on, so play smart. If you simply must have BBFS then establish a steady rapport with a higher end semi-pro which will reduce the risk to some degree. [i]Hepatitis is also a major problem here, be careful![/i]

Across the street from Caesar's is a place with 'Cafe' in the name that I forget, but it is not nearly as nice as Caesar's although it has a better atmosphere. Prices are cheaper reportedly, although the hot-to-not ratio goes down as well. But it is a fun place to drink, which is all I did there.

Taxi drivers and hotel doormen are your friends. It will cost you more since they get a built-in cut of the action but they'll either send the prime beef right to your room or show you a portfolio of various gals and their availability. Do not hesitate to turn down anything that does not meet your specifications. After awhile you will build your own network of numbers to call.

There are also some other places you can try, such as '33' over by Aeropuerto Trompillo, which is a massage parlor offering full service. There are some skeezy motels on the southwest side of 4th ring (you can't miss them), which cater to the cheap short time enthusiasts, but there are many trannies too there. I stay away from those places. Another tact is to hop in a taxi and tell him you're looking for a companion, and you'll find the streetwalkers, some of whom are actually quite hot. I only wanted to see what the opportunities are and always declined, but it is an option for those who like to be adventurous.

For those going out towards Cochabamba there are brothels on the main road that goes north and then west out of Santa Cruz, which can be best seen on Thursday nights exhibiting a red lantern or a red bucket. I have never tried these, I only know what my cholo friends have told me.

If you are on a P4P vacation, I recommend Colombia, Argentina, Brazil or Peru over Bolivia. But of you are a jaded traveler looking to try something new and challenging, Santa Cruz is a decent city to try out.

2J[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the informative report. DO you know what would be the most common or easiest way to get there from the states? I would imagine that Miami International Airport would be a common departure site to head over to Bolivia, not sure?

[QUOTE=Mangera]Thanks for the informative report. DO you know what would be the most common or easiest way to get there from the states? I would imagine that Miami International Airport would be a common departure site to head over to Bolivia, not sure?[/QUOTE]

Por nada, amigo. The best way that I know is to come through on American via Miami (MIA) direct to Viru Viru (VVI). Viru Viru is the newish airport about ten minutes to the north. It is a midnight flight that will have you here early morning. The business class upgrade is pretty cheap, too. There is also Santa Cruz (SRZ) airport but that doesn't handle many flights anymore and is mostly civil and military.

Btw, I called my regular last night with the great tits. It was awesome. She typically stays with me for three or four hours and is a refreshing and natural GFE, so I typically pay her about $100USD as she is more upscale and provides a more personal service. She is not one of the models you can get though, which I need to try one of these nights, there are some hotties I see in the hotels that I hear run $100-$200 for a ST appointment. I'll have to do some investigating for your gentlemen.

2J

I too enjoyed your report. I've been looking into bolivia for future trips. I have two questions.

1. Are there low end casas/brothels with dark indian women ?

2. Is there any good transportion between santa cruz and asuncion paraguay and would getting through the border by ground be difficult ?

Thanks

Artisttyp, Mangera, et al-
Santa Cruz definetly has a large selection of dark, indigenous looking women (from other parts of Bolivia) that are available for P4P action. In my report from my trip in May, I mentioned the existance of dozens of definitely low end private houses that had the feel of a high school party. The one I visited had at least 15 different girls available and about 90% were quite indigenous looking (which was not what we were looking for). Any taxi driver will know the locations of several of these private casas. In addition, for the truly adventurous (Spanish fluency mandatory here) there is a Saturday-only market on the outskirts of town that is literally filled with dark, indigenous women who are likely broke as a joke and would be willing to hang out with a foreigner in exchange for some money.
TAM Mercosur definetly flies between Santa Cruz and Asuncion and Aerosur may also do that route. There are also long range bus services between Santa Cruz and Asuncion as well, but I bet a border drug search is a given on that one.
American Airlines flies daily from Miami to Santa Cruz sometimes stopping in La Paz on certain days of the week I believe. They fly a single-aisle 757 on that route so don't expect any great comforts. On my trip I flew from Buenos Aires ( I live there) and it was a cheap ($250 USD) and short (3 hour) flight.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

So I will be checking out Bolivia...not due to the amazing reports floating around but more cuz I have a free tix and some time to burn.

I realize that the "look" of most of the girls will be towards the indian/native side which is fine with me...I am more curious as to whether I will be able to find some hard bods with big boobs...enough to keep me busy for 13 days...is it possible?

Hows the political situation right NOW in SC?

Updates anyone. I been hearing that governor of SC region is realy wanting to go independant on La paz (Morales) government.

Whats next. A full scale civil war?

When does Morales send more troops in?

Cheers

Johan

Having spent only 3 short days in Santa Cruz during "Carnaval" I can only say I had a wonderful, relaxing time. Because my stay was short, I resorted to the professionals offered by a taxi driver at the Camino Real, coming up with "Miriam" a beauty from Paraguay of about 25 years old. She was not cheap at US$70, but 10 min after the deiver made a call, she came right to the hotel, to my room. Since the staff had known her, they requested her ID which was held until she departed. No English was spoken and my rudimentary Spanish was all that was needed. She obviously worked for a service and had to call in upon arrival.

This young woman was the epitome of beauty and sensuality. She gave a GFE, albeit an hourly one. I hired he for the following day too.

After her second visit, I walked her out the main entrance and the reception staff all grinned. They all confided that she is known as the best of the best. They all wanted to have her, but none of them could afford her fee.

Ended up in Santa cruz on business this week and I will attempt to update Jackson & Hard Rockers reports. I will follow Jackson format.

Hotels - Client put me in Camino Real , this was the only place I stayed. So other guys stayed at Los Tajibos and they said it was fine. I ended up paying $81 probably because the client was a local company. Very chica friendly. The girls either went straight to the room or stopped at reception and they called me to come and get them. No mention of any fee and nothing showed up on my bill. Hotel has a nice pool area and a passable workout center with dry and wet sauna. Breafeast was included and they made adecent omelet. Saturday & Sunday was packed with a lot of the guests being missorineries with thier families. Told me the price for the weekend for locals was $45. Did not impact chicas movement at all.

Restaurants - Tried the Los Hiorros and found it to be very good. Great steak.

Alexander's - Also on Ave. Monsenoer Rivero, just down from Los Hiorros wass very good for sandwichs. Eat a couple of times at the local joints in the markets and thought the food was good.

They eat a pork rind dish that is kinda of boiled, but ends up just googy fat, imho. They also eat mondago, tripe, which I do not care for.

Did not try the Burger King but did try "chuy" a fried chicken fast food joint that was okay.

Clubs -

Cafe Show - IMHO, the best. Chicas dance continiously after midnight at floor level. Drinks were 20 for me and 25 for the chicas. Takeout was $50 for 1 hour and $100 for total la noche. Bar fine was 100 Bolviars ~ $12/13. Took a tremendous chicas from here. Nicol, short great tits, completa, very GFE. Got to the room around 2 am and after a bbbj and a round of sex, I turn around to get a drink of water and when I returned she was fast asleep.
My instinstinsts were right and in the morning I was rewarded with multiple rounds of bbbj, sex in every imiangeable position and anal. She is definately one to ask for. There were many chicas in this place that imho were 7 & 8's. I was surprised at the quality , no 250 # pigs as Hard Rocker found.

Currys - medium sized place with nicer surroundings than Cafe show. Chicas were Columbian, Brazillian, Argentinan, and primarily blonde with big tits. Drinks were 30 bolivars for any drink, water, coke, beer or whisky. Take was $50 for 1 hour and $100 for total la noche. They ask for a bar fine of 240 bol for 1 hour and 400 for total la noche. I tooka chicas who claimed to be Boilvan for total la noche and had her neogiate the bar fine to the 240, which she did very easliy by saying I was only going to pay the 240. The show was okay but not continoius and consisted of only 3/4 girls.

Caesar's Place - This place is going downhill in a hurry and it is easy to see why. No clients. First they wanted 40 bol for my drinks and 50 bol for the girls drinks. I visited twice and both times in over a hour I only saw 1 girl dance. For take out I was qouted $100 for 1 hour and $150 for total la noche. The girl I was with was nice but the bar fine was 400 for 1 hour and 600 for total la noche. I laughed and told them no. I set up a meeting with the girl in my hotel for the next day.

Bhuzos - This place is smaller than Cafe show. Well lite but that turned out to be bad. This is were Hard Rcoker 250# pigs are. I did not see any thing I would even consider. Drinks were 10 bol. Did not ask about take out.

Cartenga Whiskera - This place is huge very dark. The girls were mostly columbian and dark skinned. Drinks were 20 bol and take out was $50, on site was $20. If you like dark girls this is the place. Located on the road to Antiguia.

Kala Show - directly behind Cartenga. Lower quality with a mix of girls. I did not stay.

Casa de Putas

Las Pinas & sister club Nocturno are both located in residential areas. Sister club is on Calle 16Gabriel de Acuna #3345. I took 3 different girls from here. 2 onsite for the pricely sum of 240 bol and that included a drink for me & the girl. Lorena & Daniela. Both spinners. Daniela is young claimed to be 18. Very inexperienced. Lornea gave the better performance. I intended to repeat with Lorna but she was occupied when I went back. Take was a real trip. The price for take out was 400 bol for 1 hour. Total la noche was unavailable and 2 hours was 900 bol. Go figure. Took a very busty canela girl. Got to the room and she had no interest in leaving, who could blame her the girls that stayed at the house were on call 24 hours or whenever anybody knocked and slept 2 to abed and on the floor. She went home at night but made it plain that she wanted to stay. I gave her another 600 bol in the morning which skipped the house fee but She did not ask for that. Good experience.

Sol Aridente - located at 490 2 ring at the park Urbano acroos from a restrauant Brasargent. No question this is a locals joint. Mostly young bolivans with heavy chicas. I did not stay.

85b - closed both times I went by. off the 4th ring at ALumbrado Publiico.

Un named Place - not sure if this goes under casas or street walkers. While walking in the market at Los Pozosnear the intersection of Suarez and Compero. I sat down near a chica a started talking, figuring to maybe work my way into a #. When I mention the subject she said that was her trabajo. I said where and she said here. I asked how much and she said 30 bol. I bit and into the back we went and there were rooms. I paid another 5 bol for a room received a rubber and proceeded to go to the room. For anothe 10 bol ($2.50) chupla sin condom and another 10 bol cim. I spent the 50 bol or 6 $us for a very good looking chica.

Street girls - I drove by the plaza de Justice ( on the way to cafe show) and sawing nothing that did not look like it had smaller balls than I did.

Other Notes

atms - one located just down the street from the Camino Real. Saw plenty but some definetly were in bad areas and or very scary looking.

taxis - paid 25 to 35 bol an hour dependeing on the time . midle of the day 25 midnight 35. They do have pictures of girls and i did partake the first night. It was late for me traveling all day and I took the easy route. Picked 3 girls and the one that showed up was not in any of the pictures I saw. But she was drop dead gorgous. not a good experience. All that beauty and as she was riding cowgirl she would stop about every other thrust and ask "leche", finally she pulled of and looked and said leche and 5 seconds later she was gone. Saw her later in Cafe Show and she wanted to know why I had not called her. She asked in front on several chicas and I told her. Again 5 seconds later she was gone. I actually think it embarassed her. Because the Nicol had told the girls how much she enjoyed our evening. But I will asy this I never saw any of those girls in the pictures walk in without taking a second look. All very nice.

hotel staff- I found the staff a more agrressive than Jackson. I actually took one of the belmans. Mirman from the previous report. I echo his comments. I paid $60 and 20 bol for taxi. 1 hour that was more like 2. Very gfe multiple positions and 2 bbbj 2 nuts.

bolivans - they never smile. I must be against the law. They have big feet and not not attractive toes. Not like the Brazillian girls who have beautiful feet.

Visa - pain in the ass - you have to have ayellow fever shot. Made little sense to me since it takes 2 weeks for it to take efect. I saw a sign in the airort that said you could get the shot there for free. But I could not get a visa without it. Mt businees visa costs $150 and was good for 30 dyas. Tourist visa are $20.

airport tax - $24 on exit

All in all a good place to monger for me. The mongering is very defined. Adds in El Debe, the taxis , the private casas and the clubs. Not much neogiating. If you found sombody who wanted to neogoaite then it was probably a columbian.

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Escort site - boliviahot.com - appears to be made up mostly of the same chicas the taxi driver push

Nothing happens much before midnight , except the private casas

all the taxi drivers know additional private casas and strip joints that I have not listed

no meters on the taxis, so hook up with one and call him

had no sucess trying to pick up regular girls

Bolivians refuse to smile

[QUOTE=Stoker Star]Ended up in Santa cruz on business this week and I will attempt to update Jackson & Hard Rockers reports. I will follow Jackson format.

Hotels - Client put me in Camino Real , this was the only place I stayed. So other guys stayed at Los Tajibos and they said it was fine. I ended up paying $81 probably because the client was a local company. Very chica friendly. The girls either went straight to the room or stopped at reception and they called me to come and get them. No mention of any fee and nothing showed up on my bill. Hotel has a nice pool area and a passable workout center with dry and wet sauna. Breafeast was included and they made adecent omelet. Saturday & Sunday was packed with a lot of the guests being missorineries with thier families. Told me the price for the weekend for locals was $45. Did not impact chicas movement at all.

Restaurants - Tried the Los Hiorros and found it to be very good. Great steak.

Alexander's - Also on Ave. Monsenoer Rivero, just down from Los Hiorros wass very good for sandwichs. Eat a couple of times at the local joints in the markets and thought the food was good.

They eat a pork rind dish that is kinda of boiled, but ends up just googy fat, imho. They also eat mondago, tripe, which I do not care for.

Did not try the Burger King but did try "chuy" a fried chicken fast food joint that was okay.

Clubs -

Cafe Show - IMHO, the best. Chicas dance continiously after midnight at floor level. Drinks were 20 for me and 25 for the chicas. Takeout was $50 for 1 hour and $100 for total la noche. Bar fine was 100 Bolviars ~ $12/13. Took a tremendous chicas from here. Nicol, short great tits, completa, very GFE. Got to the room around 2 am and after a bbbj and a round of sex, I turn around to get a drink of water and when I returned she was fast asleep.
My instinstinsts were right and in the morning I was rewarded with multiple rounds of bbbj, sex in every imiangeable position and anal. She is definately one to ask for. There were many chicas in this place that imho were 7 & 8's. I was surprised at the quality , no 250 # pigs as Hard Rocker found.

Currys - medium sized place with nicer surroundings than Cafe show. Chicas were Columbian, Brazillian, Argentinan, and primarily blonde with big tits. Drinks were 30 bolivars for any drink, water, coke, beer or whisky. Take was $50 for 1 hour and $100 for total la noche. They ask for a bar fine of 240 bol for 1 hour and 400 for total la noche. I tooka chicas who claimed to be Boilvan for total la noche and had her neogiate the bar fine to the 240, which she did very easliy by saying I was only going to pay the 240. The show was okay but not continoius and consisted of only 3/4 girls.

Caesar's Place - This place is going downhill in a hurry and it is easy to see why. No clients. First they wanted 40 bol for my drinks and 50 bol for the girls drinks. I visited twice and both times in over a hour I only saw 1 girl dance. For take out I was qouted $100 for 1 hour and $150 for total la noche. The girl I was with was nice but the bar fine was 400 for 1 hour and 600 for total la noche. I laughed and told them no. I set up a meeting with the girl in my hotel for the next day.

Bhuzos - This place is smaller than Cafe show. Well lite but that turned out to be bad. This is were Hard Rcoker 250# pigs are. I did not see any thing I would even consider. Drinks were 10 bol. Did not ask about take out.

Cartenga Whiskera - This place is huge very dark. The girls were mostly columbian and dark skinned. Drinks were 20 bol and take out was $50, on site was $20. If you like dark girls this is the place. Located on the road to Antiguia.

Kala Show - directly behind Cartenga. Lower quality with a mix of girls. I did not stay.

Casa de Putas

Las Pinas & sister club Nocturno are both located in residential areas. Sister club is on Calle 16Gabriel de Acuna #3345. I took 3 different girls from here. 2 onsite for the pricely sum of 240 bol and that included a drink for me & the girl. Lorena & Daniela. Both spinners. Daniela is young claimed to be 18. Very inexperienced. Lornea gave the better performance. I intended to repeat with Lorna but she was occupied when I went back. Take was a real trip. The price for take out was 400 bol for 1 hour. Total la noche was unavailable and 2 hours was 900 bol. Go figure. Took a very busty canela girl. Got to the room and she had no interest in leaving, who could blame her the girls that stayed at the house were on call 24 hours or whenever anybody knocked and slept 2 to abed and on the floor. She went home at night but made it plain that she wanted to stay. I gave her another 600 bol in the morning which skipped the house fee but She did not ask for that. Good experience.

Sol Aridente - located at 490 2 ring at the park Urbano acroos from a restrauant Brasargent. No question this is a locals joint. Mostly young bolivans with heavy chicas. I did not stay.

85b - closed both times I went by. off the 4th ring at ALumbrado Publiico.

Un named Place - not sure if this goes under casas or street walkers. While walking in the market at Los Pozosnear the intersection of Suarez and Compero. I sat down near a chica a started talking, figuring to maybe work my way into a #. When I mention the subject she said that was her trabajo. I said where and she said here. I asked how much and she said 30 bol. I bit and into the back we went and there were rooms. I paid another 5 bol for a room received a rubber and proceeded to go to the room. For anothe 10 bol ($2.50) chupla sin condom and another 10 bol cim. I spent the 50 bol or 6 $us for a very good looking chica.

Street girls - I drove by the plaza de Justice ( on the way to cafe show) and sawing nothing that did not look like it had smaller balls than I did.

Other Notes

atms - one located just down the street from the Camino Real. Saw plenty but some definetly were in bad areas and or very scary looking.

taxis - paid 25 to 35 bol an hour dependeing on the time . midle of the day 25 midnight 35. They do have pictures of girls and i did partake the first night. It was late for me traveling all day and I took the easy route. Picked 3 girls and the one that showed up was not in any of the pictures I saw. But she was drop dead gorgous. not a good experience. All that beauty and as she was riding cowgirl she would stop about every other thrust and ask "leche", finally she pulled of and looked and said leche and 5 seconds later she was gone. Saw her later in Cafe Show and she wanted to know why I had not called her. She asked in front on several chicas and I told her. Again 5 seconds later she was gone. I actually think it embarassed her. Because the Nicol had told the girls how much she enjoyed our evening. But I will asy this I never saw any of those girls in the pictures walk in without taking a second look. All very nice.

hotel staff- I found the staff a more agrressive than Jackson. I actually took one of the belmans. Mirman from the previous report. I echo his comments. I paid $60 and 20 bol for taxi. 1 hour that was more like 2. Very gfe multiple positions and 2 bbbj 2 nuts.

bolivans - they never smile. I must be against the law. They have big feet and not not attractive toes. Not like the Brazillian girls who have beautiful feet.

Visa - pain in the ass - you have to have ayellow fever shot. Made little sense to me since it takes 2 weeks for it to take efect. I saw a sign in the airort that said you could get the shot there for free. But I could not get a visa without it. Mt businees visa costs $150 and was good for 30 dyas. Tourist visa are $20.

airport tax - $24 on exit

All in all a good place to monger for me. The mongering is very defined. Adds in El Debe, the taxis , the private casas and the clubs. Not much neogiating. If you found sombody who wanted to neogoaite then it was probably a columbian.[/QUOTE]

Hello
Thank you very much for this information, i have plans going to Santa Cruz later this year.
You have done a big part of my "homework"
Buttlover

Hi Guys

Travelling freq in Lat Am, last yearI had the pleasure to visit Sta x

I was with a girl (picked up from el Deber, a local newspaper), small but very very talented. Her (real) name was Karen (or Karin) Caiguara and half Argentina.

Does anybody of your know her....what a great fuck she was.

Hernan

[QUOTE=Stoker Star]Escort site - boliviahot.com - appears to be made up mostly of the same chicas the taxi driver push

Nothing happens much before midnight , except the private casas

all the taxi drivers know additional private casas and strip joints that I have not listed

no meters on the taxis, so hook up with one and call him

had no sucess trying to pick up regular girls

Bolivians refuse to smile[/QUOTE]I must disagree having lived in Santa Cruz for 18 months amd unles you are ugly or offensive the chicas here are the most friendly, hastle-free and sexual girls I have ever met! The peolpe here are also very happy and certainly smile all the time! But best of all is the that the sex you can have here is amazing!! At first I would go to Caesars and Curry's but soon learned tha the best option was through the web (try MySpace or Facebook or SeyoNo) or in the popular club (try AquaMint or Sake or People Secret)! It is almost impossible not to get laid!! Take a litlle time and you will be rewarded with paradise .. more beautiful, sex mad, condom free sex than you can dream of (and never a nasty itch!) PS I am no spring chicken either!

I am planning to go to Santa cruz in September and was hoping someone can help me out. I am a very seasoned veteran to the monger game and would like to know the quality to price ratio. I have visited Colombia, Mexico, Panama and the caribbean except DR and Cuba. Is the game safe, easy affordabble for QUALITY in Santa Cruz. I will be visiting for pleasure so do you recommend it? Instead of Colombia or Venezuela for instance. Any holidays which hinder the scene in September? All help is greatly appreciated.

Manandboy, I tries to pm you but it did not work.

Thanks,

JC

How hard is it to find an apartment in Santa Cruz?

How expensive are they?

I need to stay for a few weeks and would like to consider an alternative to hotel.

If I must stay in a hotel, can anyone suggest a mid priced place?

Thanks,

OT

[QUOTE=Ocean Traveler]How hard is it to find an apartment in Santa Cruz?

How expensive are they?

I need to stay for a few weeks and would like to consider an alternative to hotel.

If I must stay in a hotel, can anyone suggest a mid priced place?

Thanks,

OT[/QUOTE]You can get very nice places for around $1000 per month. Also a hotel called Burganvillas has serviced appartments at teh same price.

I am currently in Antofagasta, Chile and I have a Chilean work visa accompanied with a valid US passport. Can I enter Bolivia by bus?

[QUOTE=LongMarch]I am currently in Antofagasta, Chile and I have a Chilean work visa accompanied with a valid US passport. Can I enter Bolivia by bus?[/QUOTE]I sought out and found my answer.

Thanks guys.

Can anyone email me with a phone # of a good chica in the Santa Cruz area?

I know almost no Spanish and none of the numbers I called on boliviahot were able to communicate :/ frustrating

Thanks in advance

Alright friends,

Since I did not hear from anyone about a phone number I decided to try Cesars palace on my last day in Santa Cruz. Took a taxi from the camino real hotel which cost me 30 bolivianos. Cesars Palace is located on this 5-6 lane street and from the outside there are a bunch of roman statues. The door asked me for 30 bolivianos and the lady who showed me to a seat got me a Cuba livre (which happens to be my official south american drink) for another 30 bolivianos. First I got approached by a hog. I kindly declined. And another one, whom I was happy to provide a cigarette for. By the way, the place is humid and hot as hell, there is no AC, so be aware. And then I changed my seat for a better view of the stage and got one of the sofas. The whole place looks pretty old, there is torn carpet and everything and even though there were a lot of girls, they looked pretty bored and the ranges were 4-7 with the occasional 8. It was a Tuesday nite, so I may not have gone there during the peak times. Anyways, I kept on drinking and finally asked one of the waiters to get me a chica with grande busto, with my limited Spanish, and so he did. A petit brunette with a rock hard body and completely natural breasts showed up within minutes. As soon as she sat down she asked for a drink which I was happy to provide, she said her name is Marianna and she had been working there for only 6 days. Girls drinks are 60 bolivianos and they seem to get these bracelets which I think they cash out at the end of the nite.

I asked her about the cost structure and she said that the girl gets 100 USD, the bar fine is 100 bolivianos and there are rooms available in the back for 5 dollars. Apparently there are better rooms with a jacuzzi for 26 dolars a night. After a few drinks and a sample of what is to come, I paid the 100 Bs bar fee and headed back to one of the rooms. The room is air conditioned (thank god) and there are 3-4 sofas in there. As we got in the room she locked the door and the party began with an amazingly deep BBBJ. She was a beast, we did it in every imagineable position in the 45 minutes and then I fell a victim to her hot behind. Throughout the years I have been around the world, mongering, I do not think I have had a better service. I wish I had more time to stay in Bolivia and get more of this hot chica. We sat there until the guard knocked on the door at the end of the hour and then we went out.

She told me she was 20 years old and she definitely had the tigh body to show for it. We sat outside and kept on drinking as I watched the stage and she showed her jealousy over and over again it is strange that these girls get so jealous when you look at other women in the club!

I ended the night at 4am and took a taxi from in front of the club back to the hotel which seemed completely safe and legit.

I did notice there was anothe club across the street but didn't bother to go there as I already had a good time at Ceasars.

I hope to be back and try out the other places like cafe show etc.

Cheers,

Barb

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Very little has been posted recently on Santa Cruz so an update based on my most recent visit 2 weeks ago may be useful to prospective visitors.

My old "happy hunting ground" the Plaza Principal now seems virtually devoid of any potential!

On previous visits I had been very successful in finding "part timers" or enthusiastic amateurs for around 150 / 200 Bol. But this time none were to be found, possibly due to the large number of security guards and police walking around.

The other city centre area that also had good potential for me in the past, Plaza de la Estudiantes (around 10 blocks North of the Plaza Principal) which had been great for me in the past for local students looking to supplement their income was also devoid of possibilities on the times I visited this trip although on the diagonally opposite corner from the Plaza there was some low class "street meat" but nothing above a 5 rating.

Most hotels will be able to organize something for you. Just ask at reception and they should be able to show you a book of photos with a good range of much higher class girls. All of them will be "Model Types, " young, attractive, with good figures and can be delivered to your hotel room within around 1 hour. The cost should be around 50 / 60 US$. Not so cheap by Bolivian standards but in my experience you are virtually guaranteed an attractive young lady who does her job very well! The local paper, El Deber has a large selection of clasificados adds under the heading "compania" Also available on line at [url]www.eldeberservices.com/clasificados/index.php[/url]

The prices ranged from 100 Bol per hour to 100 US$ / hour, many from girls claiming to be 18, 19 or 20 years old so someone with better Spanish than mine might just find something interesting here.

The clubs are still there but I did not have the time try any of them this time so can not update previous reports.

Regarding the Whiskera’s my local contacts advised me not to go "solo" as many were not safe for foreigners.

Still many private Cassas around but locations can change regularly. A good taxi driver can be useful here and should know the best and up to date options. As an aside, Santa Cruz has a few upmarket restaurants at very reasonable prices. Try Michael Angelo, Candelabra or La Suisse. You will not be disappointed.

Enjoy Santa Cruz and PLEASE POST ANY UPDATES you may have,

Hotman

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood]Having spent only 3 short days in Santa Cruz during "Carnaval" I can only say I had a wonderful, relaxing time. Because my stay was short, I resorted to the professionals offered by a taxi driver at the Camino Real, coming up with "Miriam" a beauty from Paraguay of about 25 years old. She was not cheap at US$70, but 10 min after the deiver made a call, she came right to the hotel, to my room. Since the staff had known her, they requested her ID which was held until she departed. No English was spoken and my rudimentary Spanish was all that was needed. She obviously worked for a service and had to call in upon arrival.

This young woman was the epitome of beauty and sensuality. She gave a GFE, albeit an hourly one. I hired he for the following day too.

After her second visit, I walked her out the main entrance and the reception staff all grinned. They all confided that she is known as the best of the best. They all wanted to have her, but none of them could afford her fee.[/QUOTE]I also found a girl named "Miriam" and she also gave a GFE. Did she have a tattoo on her lower back?

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood]Having spent only 3 short days in Santa Cruz during "Carnaval" I can only say I had a wonderful, relaxing time. Because my stay was short, I resorted to the professionals offered by a taxi driver at the Camino Real, coming up with "Miriam" a beauty from Paraguay of about 25 years old. She was not cheap at US$70, but 10 min after the deiver made a call, she came right to the hotel, to my room. Since the staff had known her, they requested her ID which was held until she departed. No English was spoken and my rudimentary Spanish was all that was needed. She obviously worked for a service and had to call in upon arrival.

This young woman was the epitome of beauty and sensuality. She gave a GFE, albeit an hourly one. I hired he for the following day too.

After her second visit, I walked her out the main entrance and the reception staff all grinned. They all confided that she is known as the best of the best. They all wanted to have her, but none of them could afford her fee.[/QUOTE]Nice, did this girl Miriam have a tattoo on her lower back?

Just asking because I had a young woman with the same name and she also gave a GFE.

[QUOTE=Olpii]Nice, did this girl Miriam have a tattoo on her lower back?

Just asking because I had a young woman with the same name and she also gave a GFE.[/QUOTE]I do not remember if she had a tattoo. If she did it was discrete.

Well apparently I chose the wrong weekend to visit Santa Cruz. Everything, and I mean everything - is closed. Bars, restaurants, clubs, you name it. Save for the religious parades, it's a ghost town. Still, I love the climate..

If anyone knows of anything open this weekend, I'm your wingman. For mongering or just hanging out, first drink's on me.

[QUOTE=Floyd Dylan]Well apparently I chose the wrong weekend to visit Santa Cruz. Everything, and I mean everything - is closed. Bars, restaurants, clubs, you name it. Save for the religious parades, it's a ghost town. Still, I love the climate..

If anyone knows of anything open this weekend, I'm your wingman. For mongering or just hanging out, first drink's on me.[/QUOTE]Nothing will be open becuase of the elections on Sunday. No alcohol or night clubs are allow to open.

Eastern day!

Santa Cruz

Thanks everybody for the posts, here's an update and my take on the clubs.

First thing to note: the nights for mongering in SC are Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

Caesar's Palace: I didn't like it. It's a big place but no where near full. I went on a Wednesday and then again on Saturday. The dancers were pretty good, but the drinks were expensive by Bolivian standards, 60 Bolivianos for a beer. I didn't ask about the bar fine or chica drinks. I guess the place is worth a look but I would move on after a drink. Blown speakers in the sound system really annoyed me.

Currys: I was only there Wednesday, so it was slow. They had a show, a real show with a choreographed dance act. A girl sang. The chicas were pretty decent looking. Again, it was a Wednesday so less action. Worth a look, 40 Bolivianos entrada gets you a drink.

Cafe Show: This was my favorite and I was there three times. A lot of girls, good atmosphere. A mix of Bolivians, Paraguayas with a few Colombians and even a Brazilian. They had live music Saturday (well, singing and percussion and a keyboard, the rest generated by computer). Only 25 Bolivianos for a beer, 60 for a chica. The only thing that got me mad was one chica I was ready to take out, I bought her a drink and she finished it and said she wasn't interested and walked off! That has never ever happened to me before! Then I talked to the Brazilian, I asked first if she would leave with me and she said she couldn't, but that I could buy her a drink. I didn't know what was up with that. So I guess the point is negociate before you start spending money.

Kaprichoos: This is a new club, open only two months according to my taxi driver. It is located around the corner from Cafe Show, Calle Warnes 589. You can walk to it. This isn't a bad area of town, by the way, it's just the downtown area which is pretty much deserted at night. Kaprichoos was pretty good, 30/60 your drink/her drink. About 15 girls, most pretty hot. Not as lively as Cafe Show but a good place.

Cartegena Whiskeria: Somewhere on the fourth anillo, I think, not that far from Equipetrol. A drunkards dream if I ever did see one. 15 Bolivianos for a 600 ml beer! Dark, slow, great sound system, a few lazy hos lounging about. If you like slumming it, there's your place!

General Thoughts on Santa Cruz: I really didn't like the way the city is laid out, and downtown itself was pretty boring. They don't have a lot of bars or coffee shops for some reason. Most everything is right around the Plaza 24 de Septiembre, or Plaza Principal as the locals call it. The "Irish" Pub is about the best place to go for food and drink, and Lorca on the corner of the square at Sucre and Moreno is good also. Note the names of the streets change at the Plaza, in all four directions.

If you stay in Equipetrol you have essentially your hotel and nothing else. I stayed at the Royal which was overpriced even at the 50 dollars I negociated them down to, but it was alright and the staff was good. Horrible coffee.

I would recommend the Yotau All Suites hotel if you want the best and want to stay out of the center, 100 US, you could probably bargain. [url]www.yotau.com.bo[/url].

I would probably stay in the Gran Hotel Santa Cruz, Calle Moreno 269. [url]www.granhotelsantacruz.com[/url]. I would rather stay downtown where I could walk to the Irish Pub for a beer at night.

ATMs: Yes, don't let me forget! When you get to the airport (Viru Viru) the ATM machines are for some reason located upstairs in the departure lounge.

Coca: My taxi driver said the best place to get a bag of coca leaves was Coca Social. It's a chain, they have a store about two blocks from the Plaza Principal on Junin.

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I will be there next week, can someone suggest a good cheeka friendly hotel within "$50" range with wifi

Does the hotel offer cheeka service, if so what should I be paying?

Is that too much to ask ;-)

loverboy

[QUOTE=Lover Boy]I will be there next week, can someone suggest a good cheeka friendly hotel within "$50" range with wifi

Does the hotel offer cheeka service, if so what should I be paying?

Is that too much to ask ;-)

loverboy[/QUOTE]

Try Yotau Suits [url]www.yotau.com.bo[/url]
Nice Hotel with good location. (But not sure if it has WiFi.)
Yes Chicas available. From memory US$50 / 60 for incall.
Not the cheapest but good quality imho.
See my report from 19.05.2009 for a bit more info on S.C.

Enjoy,
Hotman.

Just returned from Santa Cruz, Bolivia. New to this forum. Nice info, thanks. Having been to all continents, and many of the World's large cities, I would say this city is unequivocally my favorite. Chicas are that mix of S. Amer and European that makes for stunning looks, yet very unsophisticated business structuring for the monger. Quiet, shy, and fresh off the farm in many cases. 11th trip to SC.

Willy

[QUOTE=Willy Dee]Just returned from Santa Cruz, Bolivia. New to this forum. Nice info, thanks. Having been to all continents, and many of the World's large cities, I would say this city is unequivocally my favorite. Chicas are that mix of S. Amer and European that makes for stunning looks, yet very unsophisticated business structuring for the monger. Quiet, shy, and fresh off the farm in many cases. 11th trip to SC.

Willy[/QUOTE]I will be on Santa Cruz on Monday until Wednesday.

Any recomendations?

[QUOTE=wilbur]I will be on Santa Cruz on Monday until Wednesday.

Any recomendations?[/QUOTE]W. Am just learning how to reply. Hope this goes.

Yes, lots of recommendations.

To start. Fly American, skip Aerosur

Taxis from airport to hotel in SC are by law 50 Bolivianos, all other rides cheap

Los Tajibos is nicest hotel in town, bar none. But not too chica friendly. All girls must register at front desk. Then no problem, but many girls fresh from farms have no ID at all. So they can't register.

Hotel Milan is cheap, clean and honest. Across from plaza centro. Hard, small beds is only downer.

I personally like Cesars, even with mixed reviews here. A private dance room usually only 50 bolivianos ($7) if not wanting to be near crowd. Safe, well known place. 8 and 9 girls quite common on Fri and sat nights.

All places, if you order beer, they think you may be poor. I always order an expensive drink, and usually send away the first girl or two.

Numerous male servers. Tip one a few bucks and ask for the prettiest, or newest girl, whatever you fancy, and it will be worth while. Amber could be a prom queen in most US cities, but when I had her two weeks ago, she knew absolutely nothing, not even basic positions.

Ask for a "Boliviana" as most girls are from Paraguay, and they can be a little experienced for my tastes. Wish I had an air ticket.

Willy

[QUOTE=wilbur]I will be on Santa Cruz on Monday until Wednesday.

Any recomendations?[/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't finish.

At Curry's, across from Cesars, and known by all the cabbies, the girls have been summarized nicely. Well known to be the best is Simone, a slim, Brazilian model, who is, paradoxically, on the nearby billboard hawking perfume. She speaks English, but alas, is $300 US per night. (all night) always awakening with a smile on her face for the next task.

If you want to visit the houses, I can help you there too. It is common at one of these to have new girls at mid day. They need to be instructed a little,. But cheap and fun.

Willy Dee

Hello, Guys, I am new to the site and I guess, the hobby. I would like to extend my gratitude with the wealth of information I have found on here. Someday, I hope to post a few reports myself.

I will be in Santa Cruz mid-April. I was hoping to hire a guide for 3 or 4 days to help with "showing us the ropes". Does any one wish to recommend such a person? He must come with a van to handle four of us.

Thanks in advance

You should have a wonderful time. Stay at nice hotel, talk to concierge about which cabbies will run transport, travia tours, a little light body gaurding on off hours. Where to go? They may refer you to an independent cabbie, but it should not be difficult to get a lot of help for a little money.

From what I'm told some of the larger gas stations in Santa Cruz have pretty girls working in the gas stations. Pumping gas, checking your water and tyre pressure. All of the girls are young (18. 22) , very pretty and wear shorts and a skimpy top. Apparantly they are available for EXTRAS too. Can anyone confirm this please. Paul

[QUOTE=Paul Moreno;1128452]From what I'm told some of the larger gas stations in Santa Cruz have pretty girls working in the gas stations. Pumping gas, checking your water and tyre pressure. All of the girls are young (18. 22) , very pretty and wear shorts and a skimpy top. Apparantly they are available for EXTRAS too. Can anyone confirm this please. Paul[/QUOTE]While it is true, there is still one gas station where you are pumped by scantily clad babes, there are a lot of easier venues to score at. Many of these girls are under the Bolivian legal age of 17, so I recommend being careful.

Willy

I will be in santa cruz on vacation from may / 05 / to may / 10/2001. If anybody wants to get together and walk around, I think it would be safer. Then I will be going to riberalta-beni. After my visit to santa cruz, I will be posting my report on Santa Cruz.

Thanks,

El virginiano

Very quick visit for me, one night, so not a lot of time to explore.

Thanks to the forum to make my time efficient.

Stayed at los tajibos. Taxi to cafe show, although driver wanted to take me to curry's.

He said that was the place to be but I decided on cafe show instead.

No entrance fee, a beer for 30 BOB.

Many girls but quite busy for a Thursday with a lot of guys. 60 BOB for the girls' drinks.

Found a friendly after a bit, we chatted and had some drinks. Took a taxi parked in front of the bar back to the hotel. Felt safe.

Back to the hotel, they checked her I'd, no problems or fee involved.

Her fee was $100 US for overnight and 200 BOB bar fine to leave.

All in all fun place to be. Hopefully my next trip will be a few days longer. Hope to return in 3-4 months.

I speak spanish but think it would be difficult if you don't.

I have visited the DR; Costa Rica; Cali; and Medellin quite a bit over the last 3 years. My Spanish is getting there. But I not fluent yet. Colombia is great. But, I am hoping to find something a little more "normal" (less hard partying; less hard chicas). I have heard great things about Santa Cruz.

Thinking about paying a visit for a couple months, and am looking for some members with current experience.

I am returning to SCZ, one of my favorite haunts, on 8/22/11 and will depart 8/27/11.

If any of you cares to sample some of the nightclubs and other venues with me, let me know.

Just back from a quick trip to Santa Cruz.

Not a lot of free time so just took advantage of the 'Order in' service from the hotel bell boy. (Here in Santa Cruz it is my experience that the bellboy or hotel taxi driver will always be able to provide a selection of reliable playmates!)

It was not so cheap by Bolivian standards (US$70.) and had gone up a little from my last visit but the photos of the Chicas that were shown to me were all rather attractive and, as my previous experiences have also been good, I thought that I would give it a go.

Although, in most countries, I do not usually take advantage of an 'order in' service but there is something quite nice about the sense of expectation that you get waiting for the phone to ring and a completely unknown girl arriving at your door!

I have never yet been disappointed in Santa Cruz in using the "room service"l at the hotel and have always had pleasant or VERY pleasant experiences!

So. 45 minutes later after a brief call from reception to advise me that 'my guest had arrived' I heard a knock on my room door and, when I opened it, a beautiful, slim, dark haired 'Latino' 18 years old girl (YES, I saw her I. D. Later) with a simply stunning body stepped in and greeted me with a 'Hola' and a little kiss.

She spoke little or no English but, as I found out, she knew how to do her job VERY well!

My 'poco' Spanish was enough to find out she was a student and did this escort work 2 or 3 nights a week.

Well, after a good (long) hour. 'She made an old man feel very happy' or, perhaps it is more correct to say 'She made a happy man feel very OLD! '

Anyway, it was $70 well spent by my standards!

As an aside, many Mongers ask for information on lesser visited destinations like Santa Cruz but then NEVER post trip reports or even brief comments. So, PLEASE POST ANY UPDATES you may have. It does help your fellow Mongers!

ENJOY Santa Cruz (I did!)

Hotman.

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1187035]I am returning to SCZ, one of my favorite haunts, on 8/22/11 and will depart 8/27/11.

If any of you cares to sample some of the nightclubs and other venues with me, let me know.[/QUOTE]If you had a pm facility I could have contacted you!

Enjoy Santa Cruz,

I did!

Hotman.

Will be back in Santa Cruz in 3 weeks. This time staying for 7 days.

I hope to have many reports! Its been a little slow on here.

[QUOTE=Chevel69; 1192551]Will be back in Santa Cruz in 3 weeks. This time staying for 7 days.

I hope to have many reports! Its been a little slow on here.[/QUOTE]Hi Chevel,

I'm looking forward to some reports. Are you travelling only to Santa Cruz or are you going to small towns? Anyway please report!

[QUOTE=Kimbrough; 1194934]Hi Chevel,

I'm looking forward to some reports. Are you travelling only to Santa Cruz or are you going to small towns? Anyway please report![/QUOTE]Will be in Santa Cruz only.

Santa Cruz only.

Stayed at Los Tajibos (IMHO best hotel there)

Great pool area. Guy next to me was entertaining 4-5 chica's for 3-4 days. They were hanging out by the pool all the time.

Fun to watch.

Monday night cafe show, limited number of girls.

Found one, so so experience. But they did allow her to enter without an I'd, which was interesting.

They are usually very strict.

Cesars is no more, new place "Red Lips"

Almost right next door.

Very modern, big, lots of girls. 6-9's.

Bar fine is 500 BOB expensive for take out.

Private room for 15-20 min dance is 200 BOB.

Found a couple of "friends, got their number to arrange outside activities", this was much more efficient.

Curry's.

Went one night, wasn't feelin it, left.

Not many girls.

Didn't like the vibe. No overnight from the girls (what they said, only 2 hrs)

Taxi took me to a private house one night. Didn't like it at all.

Chica's not very attractive, left.

Didn't use el deber but this remains a good option if you speak spanish.

Overall positive experience

[QUOTE=Willy Dee; 1077446]Sorry, didn't finish.

If you want to visit the houses, I can help you there too. It is common at one of these to have new girls at mid day. They need to be instructed a little. But cheap and fun.

Willy Dee[/QUOTE]Appreciate if you could give more info on this. How to find, price range and option of take-out?

[QUOTE=Botaki6;1213988]Appreciate if you could give more info on this. How to find, price range and option of take-out?[/QUOTE]Well. Great guys here on the board. No help at all. And their opinion that SC is great.man oh man. Where had you been before?

Its a boring town. Only the big Plaza Sept24 some people walking round. Otherwise deserted, hot, dusty.

Restaurants of low quality. But well, for people happy with a chewey steak tastless barbecued. It fits.

Spanish the ONLY mode of communication. Other languages non existant. Simply becasue the education system is one of the worse in whole South Amerika. How can the chicas learn to talk to me?

Dayaction. Call ads from ElDeber. A hit'and'miss. Got 3 girls to my appt. All not exceeding a 5 on my scale, due to their sagging bellies once naked and too big asses. 350 BS. 50-$ a ripoff for a 20 min all covered mediocre service.

Nightlife starts at midnight and lasts until 3 at night. Terrific timing!

Girls in the discos on the take are not working girls, service oriented. But bitches. Look closer and you see their wrinkles and heavily painted faces. Asking for 500 BS or more (80. 100$) ohh my god. And that in a country where a professional secretary makes 250 $/month and needs to suck my dick before she gets hired. But the gringo oil workers don't mind and pay.

Was on parties of the better middle class: those 30+ ladies. Ohh holy moly : you should see their elephant asses. And the young chicas? . If you a latino dancer, parking your car with a built in ghetto blaster min 1000 W speakers bumping some rock. You may be the men.

Street scene at the 2nd funicular or how they call it. Where the cemetry is: drove by in a cab, got almost molested: extreme agressive bunch of working girls. They offered 100 BS for shag in the car. The cab driver didn't want to partake. Passed on then.

All in all. Not a town to travel to by free willy.

I'm in Santa Cruz right now on my first (and probably last) visit. There are very few options here, compared with almost all other South American countries (and I visited most of them). Even Asuncion was better. The worst is the suffocating heat all day and night, which really saps my strength. Any casas are hard to find, which is surprising for such a big city. I did find two places though but went away again as there was a general lack of good looks. 'Come back later! ', they told me. 'There will be more girls at night'. Yeah, right, at night I'd rather avoid those neighbourhoods.

I did go to Kaprichoos last night but was very disappointed by the lack of talent. There were only a few girls which were not worth the high asking price. O. K, it was Sunday, so there is probably more choice on other nights. Nearby Cafe Show was closed.

This place may be ok if you're on a business trip and want to sample the local talent but it sucks for a real mongering trip IMHO. Some very good looking girls on the Place 24 Septiembre all right but clearly not into business: my smiles were never returned.

[QUOTE=Bucanero; 1223965]I'm in Santa Cruz right now on my first (and probably last) visit. There are very few options here, compared with almost all other South American countries (and I visited most of them). Even Asuncion was better. The worst is the suffocating heat all day and night, which really saps my strength. Any casas are hard to find, which is surprising for such a big city. I did find two places though but went away again as there was a general lack of good looks. 'Come back later! ', they told me. 'There will be more girls at night'. Yeah, right, at night I'd rather avoid those neighbourhoods.

I did go to Kaprichoos last night but was very disappointed by the lack of talent. There were only a few girls which were not worth the high asking price. O. K, it was Sunday, so there is probably more choice on other nights. Nearby Cafe Show was closed.

This place may be ok if you're on a business trip and want to sample the local talent but it sucks for a real mongering trip IMHO. Some very good looking girls on the Place 24 Septiembre all right but clearly not into business: my smiles were never returned.[/QUOTE]Agree about the heat, that in this time of the year gets really oppressing. I also agree that there are much better places than this and that it doesn't really make sense to go there on a mongering trip.

Still tho, I must say that Santa Cruz de la Sierra is one of the few places I've been to where I would really love to get back one day, and this time not on a business trip.

It's not for everyone, sure thing; but its got a certain dunnowhat about itself that I just love and that I've got very good memories of, in spite of the heat, the shit and even the yellow fever that I got there during my stay.

Bolivia is a place that has much to offer, but it isn't a place to go to if pussy is the sole trip goal of the traveller.

Bless

Best part of my trip there was when totally random walked past the Bank of Brazil branch on a Friday afternoon at 4 pm. Made friends instantly and made for a great weekend.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1224220]Best part of my trip there was when totally random walked past the Bank of Brazil branch on a Friday afternoon at 4 pm. Made friends instantly and made for a great weekend.[/QUOTE]Only with a good knowlege of lingua locale you may score.

I was on a party at a friends house. 50 people middle / upper class, only 5 of them could speak english to communicate. Well, one of them a lady in her late 30-ies, big tits, big ass (as it comes in SouthAmerika as a package.) and I could score. But then. Still nothing to shout about.

In Bolivia other attractions are worth a vist. Not the monger venues.

[QUOTE=Botaki6; 1225045]Only with a good knowlege of lingua locale you may score.

In Bolivia other attractions are worth a vist. Not the monger venues.[/QUOTE]My Spanish is definitely NOT good but in the past I have had success at finding 'civilians' (Part timers / Amateurs) in and around the Plaza Principal or in many of the bars around the centre or in the Equipetrol area. Many are students who enjoy the chance to practise English!

As I usually have to be up and out rather in the mornings I generally do not go to the clubs but when I am not able to find a civilian playmate I like to order 'room service' from my hotel. (See my report of 27. 08. 11)

For around 60-70 US$ I have always had a MOST ENJOYABLE experience and sometimes it is rather nice to see what will arrive at your hotel! I have NEVER been disappointed!

OK, I agree that S. C. Is NOT the best place in S. America to go to JUST for Mongering but, if you are there, it seems to ME that it is ALLWAYS possible to find an enthusiastic young playmate for a relaxing hour or two.

Personally I rather like the place.

Enjoy, I do.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Bucanero; 1223965]I'm in Santa Cruz right now on my first (and probably last) visit. There are very few options here, compared with almost all other South American countries (and I visited most of them). Even Asuncion was better. The worst is the suffocating heat all day and night, which really saps my strength. Any casas are hard to find, which is surprising for such a big city. I did find two places though but went away again as there was a general lack of good looks. 'Come back later! ', they told me. 'There will be more girls at night'. Yeah, right, at night I'd rather avoid those neighbourhoods.

I did go to Kaprichoos last night but was very disappointed by the lack of talent. There were only a few girls which were not worth the high asking price. O. K, it was Sunday, so there is probably more choice on other nights. Nearby Cafe Show was closed.

This place may be ok if you're on a business trip and want to sample the local talent but it sucks for a real mongering trip IMHO. Some very good looking girls on the Place 24 Septiembre all right but clearly not into business: my smiles were never returned.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear of your experience in SC. It is very different from any of mine. I have been there 17 times, and each has been fantastic. Compared with other places? Yes, it still shines in comparison. Have been to Brazil, Arg, chile, Peru, and Venz and would rate all lower, MUCH lower in the case of Argentina. Have been to Europe and Asia as well, and orient too. Santa Cruz is the best place I have every found for the man that likes variety. Gringos, Indigenous, or castillian mixed are all ready and relatively cheap. Easy to pick up a girl and "honeymoon" with her. Take here somewhere. Anywhere. And travel for a few days. Makes the trips exciting. I have taken girls to buenos aires for a few days twice. They are sooo greatful, and they don't need a passport. Or, if you're just clubbing, try some of the new (Sol Y Luna, Sol Ardiente, solid gold, and such in addition to Curry's and Ceasars and Cafe show. Have the hotel concierge send you a babe. You'll love it, and tip him accordingly, and he will try harder next time. Try this. Go to Sol Ardiente. Pick up a Sea Donkey. Tell her what you want, and if she will find it for you, you'll give her a finders fee. It works. Sea Donkeys don't get much business, and love to get drinks, hence arm bands, and hence respect and $. I have nailed the most beautiful chica in several places with the same technic. A good looking local, with many connections is essential if you want to recruit civilians. My advice. Don't. All of the servers in the main clubs can be had for the right price. Bargaining, teasing, negotiating is a fun part. You should get skilled at this. And always, always, tip and ask the club security for advice. Willy Dee

I will be back in SCZ in early Febr. For a few weeks of R&R. Yes, I love the warm weather especially when the northern USA is in a deep freeze.

I have never been disappointed in Bolivia except for being there on Sundays or during Easter, when there is pittifully nothing to do.

I also have been around the world and find SCZ at the top of the list. I used to think Dom Rep was great but in SCZ there are more nonprofessionals. That makes it more fun.

Yes, it is important to speak some Spanish in SCZ, like it is to speak some French in Paris, even if you just want to buy a baguette.

I hope to try some of the new venues this time.

Your (and other posters') enthusiasm about SC makes me believe I've missed some vital 'link' when I visited. Perhaps I just didn't get it. My point of reference is Rio, where you can find massage places, termas and common brothels easily. These places are not hard to find and addresses and 'previews' are being shared on this board. In SC, you can find some of these places as well (except for the termas, of course) but they are much more hidden. I found only two 'casas de citas' in SC but I'm convinced there are many more:

VIP, Radial 10 #2000 entre Anillo 4 and 5. Prices quoted were B$200 and B$300 per hour, depending on the girl. Not expensive at all but there were only 3 girls when I visited (in the afternoon) and none to my liking. The reception was far from friendly and I didn't like the atmosphere. The girls were totally cold and indifferent. I did not like the neighborhood and would definitely not visit at night.

Bellas, Anillo 3 ext. #3735 entre Mutualista and Paraguana. Prices between B$250 and B$350 per hour. Same cold reception as in the other place. I don't think they got many foreign visitors as they obviously didn't know how to 'handle' me. As in the other place, I was essentially ignored. Also in this place, there were only 3 girls present when I visited (afternoon).

You are right that prices are considerably lower than in most other places in Latin America. Especially Brazil is getting outrageously expensive these days, much to my regret. Bolivia is still cheap (although SC is more expensive than Cochabamba, where I visited 2 years ago). And indeed, there is a lot of variety in SC when it comes to girls (and I do like that very much). However, I wonder what you mean with "easy to pick up a girl.". Do you mean a callgirl you ordered to your hotel room or a girl you met in a club? Or do you mean a non-pro (or semi-pro) you met downtown? As I mentioned in my previous post, the 'normal' girls I saw on the central plaza did not seem interested at all. When I smiled at them they simply ignored me. Well, that could be age and looks related, of course. I'm not that young anymore. Please tell me about your approach in SC. If I really missed out on something good, I may consider to go there again. I like a challenge. However, my next visit will definitely not be in the Bolivian summer season, which is unbearable IMHO. By the way, I do speak some Spanish (although not fluently) so language was not the main barrier.

[QUOTE=Willy Dee;1226436]Sorry to hear of your experience in SC. It is very different from any of mine. I have been there 17 times, and each has been fantastic. Compared with other places? Yes, it still shines in comparison. Have been to Brazil, Arg, chile, Peru, and Venz and would rate all lower, MUCH lower in the case of Argentina. Have been to Europe and Asia as well, and orient too. Santa Cruz is the best place I have every found for the man that likes variety. Gringos, Indigenous, or castillian mixed are all ready and relatively cheap. Easy to pick up a girl and "honeymoon" with her. Take here somewhere. Anywhere. And travel for a few days. Makes the trips exciting. I have taken girls to buenos aires for a few days twice. They are sooo greatful, and they don't need a passport. Or, if you're just clubbing, try some of the new (Sol Y Luna, Sol Ardiente, solid gold, and such in addition to Curry's and Ceasars and Cafe show. Have the hotel concierge send you a babe. You'll love it, and tip him accordingly, and he will try harder next time. Try this. Go to Sol Ardiente. Pick up a Sea Donkey. Tell her what you want, and if she will find it for you, you'll give her a finders fee. It works. Sea Donkeys don't get much business, and love to get drinks, hence arm bands, and hence respect and $. I have nailed the most beautiful chica in several places with the same technic. A good looking local, with many connections is essential if you want to recruit civilians. My advice. Don't. All of the servers in the main clubs can be had for the right price. Bargaining, teasing, negotiating is a fun part. You should get skilled at this. And always, always, tip and ask the club security for advice. Willy Dee[/QUOTE]

Bucanero asked some good questions. I really had to think about all the reasons I like SCZ, and it isn't all mongering. Just mostly. What did you miss? Hum?

1. Attitude. Crucenas love Americans, the rest of the world hates us. On an individual basis, for example, lo-ball a Boliviana and she will likely cry. Lo-ball a Thai girl and she will cut out your heart with a spoon. These are generally tender young girls who are gentle and actually fun to be with. I have visited the families of 3 of them near Santa Cruz. Where else would that happen? I often help them clothing shop. Fitting new bras on a 110 pound 19 year old is one of the best afternoons I have ever had, and it led to an even better evening. No one cares about this in SCZ, as a middle aged man with a 20 year old date, no one at the cine center or the restaurant even notices. Thats my favorite part of the laid back SCZ attitude.

2. Price. Done right, everything CAN be cheap. It often isn't, but it can be.

3. Safety. The places you describe at night. Sol Ardiente and Sol Y Luna being in bad areas, and VIP Valencia being in a very poor area. All true. I visit all of them each time I am down and have had no problems. I must stand out as the only gringo in the place, and the only guy over 45. Still, no problems. Security is pretty good, they don't want to attract the police.

4. Last, and far from least, are the girls. I will admit that the cheap clubs have cheap looking girls. Some nights. But on tues. Try out day at Sol Ardiente, you can hurt your neck just looking at the school girls trying to dance. And I have picked up girls in these two cheap places that were prettier than any girl I have seen in Argentina. And that says a lot. They arent common, and a reputation for tipping big helps. I ALWAYS tip the server and ask for any special girls to be brought to me, and I will give him a fee. On several occasions I have taken girls before their first ever dance in the club.

But to be sure. I have had some slow afternoons, and some early visits to the clubs when there were only a few girls that were 3-5 range, or were a little better but didn't want anything to do with me. But there is always Currys, and a private room is cheap, and a real beauty is only $100 a pop, and that is about the top end of Santa Cruz. And to answer your implicit question, I have only seduced two non-pros in all my trips to Bolivia. It may be fun for some, but for me is a waste of time. I like to know where we're headed. Best wishes. Willy Dee

Willy, thanks for the deep-dive. I guess that I was out of luck when visiting these clubs. The first impression one gets of a place very often depends on one or two good experiences. When these are lacking, the conclusion is often that the whole town sucks. Sol Ardiente is near the Bougainvilleas hotel, right? A taxi driver proposed to take me there but I decided against it as the guy at the reception of my hotel had warned me that it is a dangerous area. Well, perhaps better next time.

[QUOTE=Willy Dee; 1230946]Bucanero asked some good questions. I really had to think about all the reasons I like SCZ, and it isn't all mongering. Just mostly. What did you miss? Hum?

1. Attitude. Crucenas love Americans, the rest of the world hates us. On an individual basis, for example, lo-ball a Boliviana and she will likely cry. Lo-ball a Thai girl and she will cut out your heart with a spoon. These are generally tender young girls who are gentle and actually fun to be with. I have visited the families of 3 of them near Santa Cruz. Where else would that happen? I often help them clothing shop. Fitting new bras on a 110 pound 19 year old is one of the best afternoons I have ever had, and it led to an even better evening. No one cares about this in SCZ, as a middle aged man with a 20 year old date, no one at the cine center or the restaurant even notices. Thats my favorite part of the laid back SCZ attitude.

2. Price. Done right, everything CAN be cheap. It often isn't, but it can be.

3. Safety. The places you describe at night. Sol Ardiente and Sol Y Luna being in bad areas, and VIP Valencia being in a very poor area. All true. I visit all of them each time I am down and have had no problems. I must stand out as the only gringo in the place, and the only guy over 45. Still, no problems. Security is pretty good, they don't want to attract the police.

4. Last, and far from least, are the girls. I will admit that the cheap clubs have cheap looking girls. Some nights. But on tues. Try out day at Sol Ardiente, you can hurt your neck just looking at the school girls trying to dance. And I have picked up girls in these two cheap places that were prettier than any girl I have seen in Argentina. And that says a lot. They arent common, and a reputation for tipping big helps. I ALWAYS tip the server and ask for any special girls to be brought to me, and I will give him a fee. On several occasions I have taken girls before their first ever dance in the club.

But to be sure. I have had some slow afternoons, and some early visits to the clubs when there were only a few girls that were 3-5 range, or were a little better but didn't want anything to do with me. But there is always Currys, and a private room is cheap, and a real beauty is only $100 a pop, and that is about the top end of Santa Cruz. And to answer your implicit question, I have only seduced two non-pros in all my trips to Bolivia. It may be fun for some, but for me is a waste of time. I like to know where we're headed. Best wishes. Willy Dee[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1229893]I will be back in SCZ in early Febr. For a few weeks of R&R. Yes, I love the warm weather especially when the northern USA is in a deep freeze.

I have never been disappointed in Bolivia except for being there on Sundays or during Easter, when there is pittifully nothing to do.

I also have been around the world and find SCZ at the top of the list. I used to think Dom Rep was great but in SCZ there are more nonprofessionals. That makes it more fun.

Yes, it is important to speak some Spanish in SCZ, like it is to speak some French in Paris, even if you just want to buy a baguette.

I hope to try some of the new venues this time.[/QUOTE]U2NG,

I will also be in SCZ in Feb. 14-20 only. Perhaps our time will overlap.

Good hunting,

Willy Dee

[QUOTE=Willy Dee; 1234624]U2NG,

I will also be in SCZ in Feb. 14-20 only. Perhaps our time will overlap.

Good hunting,

Willy Dee[/QUOTE]Yes, we will overlap. I will be arriving on Feb 6, staying until the 18th. I should have lots of free time.

[QUOTE=Willy Dee; 1234624]U2NG,

I will also be in SCZ in Feb. 14-20 only. Perhaps our time will overlap.

Good hunting,

Willy Dee[/QUOTE]Too bad we have not made contact. I hope you are staying cool and dry!

Can anyone recommend a hotel with a helpful concierge who will find girls? What about Hotel LP Santa Cruz?

[QUOTE=SwordV;1250970]Can anyone recommend a hotel with a helpful concierge who will find girls? What about Hotel LP Santa Cruz?[/QUOTE]In SCZ hotel employees are forbidden to procure chicas for guest. LP does not have a concierge, per se, but front desk personnel who are sometimes women.

Ask radio dispatched taxi drivers, as they are the main resource for that activity. They can send girls directly to you, take you to night clubs like Curry's or various casas des putas.

So I tried to goto Cafe Show yesterday but was way too early. A cabbie then took me to Sol why Luna & I was very impressed. Some of the best value mongering I've ever had!

Tried to find Sol Ardiente after but couldn't. Cabbies didn't know it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[QUOTE=SwordV;1250970]Can anyone recommend a hotel with a helpful concierge who will find girls? What about Hotel LP Santa Cruz?[/QUOTE]You can get a penthouse sweet here for like 50 USD per night and hit the front desk after 10:00 pm and they'll call a cute girl for you. This place has a good breakfast in the morning too. Hotel Arenal is a good choice.

I've been in Santa Cruz for a short time now and am still learning Spanish but have tried my luck and got varying results. Girls on the street are interested that you're foreign but they're all after the passport! I'm trying to find a club which is a locals joint but not 6 sea donkeys in a corner playing cards! Can anyone recommend a club and it whereabouts. The place mentioned by Micky Dee (very useful thanks) sounds great. Somewhere, where I can drink and take back a couple of eighteen years-old back with me! Is this asking too much!

[QUOTE=SwordV; 1253681]So I tried to go to Cafe Show yesterday but was way too early. A cabbie then took me to Sol why Luna & I was very impressed. Some of the best value mongering I've ever had!

Tried to find Sol Ardiente after but couldn't. Cabbies didn't know it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?[/QUOTE]Have you managed to find where Sol Ardiene is? And where is the place you mentioned? Thanks for your help!

Arriving July 27 and exiting Aug. 3rd. I am available most of the week to form a small hunting party and go monger.

American Airline prices have skyrocketed from Miami to SCZ. Aerosur is out of business.

UotoNoGood

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1306410]Arriving July 27 and exiting Aug. 3rd. I am available most of the week to form a small hunting party and go monger.

American Airline prices have skyrocketed from Miami to SCZ. Aerosur is out of business.

UotoNoGood[/QUOTE]A few buddies and I are thinking about coming to SCZ early next year. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Tank Not Mt;1307332]A few buddies and I are thinking about coming to SCZ early next year. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I'll take some notes and pictures.

I just returned from 8 days in SCZ, my 6th visit.

It is no longer a recommended city for our hobby.

Airline and better hotel prices have skyrocketed since I was there 6 months ago.

The Wall Street Journal, Aug 1, 2012, describes a major influx of drug money is changing Bolivia for the worse.

Thugs roam the streets looking for white men who have cash in their pockets.

Asking prices for full service encounters have, in many cases, nearly matched prices asked in Manhattan.

The federal government is now obscenely anti-American and the change is palpable.

So what did you do when there?

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1312070]I just returned from 8 days in SCZ, my 6th visit.

It is no longer a recommended city for our hobby.

Airline and better hotel prices have skyrocketed since I was there 6 months ago.

The Wall Street Journal, Aug 1, 2012, describes a major influx of drug money is changing Bolivia for the worse.

Thugs roam the streets looking for white men who have cash in their pockets.

Asking prices for full service encounters have, in many cases, nearly matched prices asked in Manhattan.

The federal government is now obscenely anti-American and the change is palpable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1306410]Arriving July 27 and exiting Aug. 3rd. I am available most of the week to form a small hunting party and go monger.

American Airline prices have skyrocketed from Miami to SCZ. Aerosur is out of business.

UotoNoGood[/QUOTE]Guys, AA service sucks. High prices. Freaking AAdvantage not useful anymore. Seats flying aorund. Old aircrafts. Before I could fly roundtrip with 40K miles. No more.

Copa Airlines have direct flights from LAX to Panama City and to Santa Cruz for half the price.

If you are visiting La Paz, I recommend [url]www.lasmasbellasbolivia.com[/url], I have seen Francesca and Guerlain. Excellent GFE service. Damage around $100 plus motel.

I plan to be in Bolivia, including Santa Cruz for most of March. Although the trip is not recreational, I will have some spare time to play.

As per my previous posts, I indicated that Santa Cruz has decidedly taken a dive, but I will revisit this town and post my updated findings.

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1386892]I plan to be in Bolivia, including Santa Cruz for most of March. Although the trip is not recreational, I will have some spare time to play.

As per my previous posts, I indicated that Santa Cruz has decidedly taken a dive, but I will revisit this town and post my updated findings.[/QUOTE]Hi, I ws in Santa Cruz for a few days in December. I really used to enjoy my trips there a few years ago but not so much now. The "freelancers" seem to have disappeared from the area around Plaza Principal (it used to be my happy hunting ground) but virtually impossible to find anything nowadays.

The porter at my hotel called a Chica for me a couple of evenings but I did not think that the quality was quite as good as before.

I would be interested to hear how your trip went as I have to go again later this year.

Hotman

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1396428]Hi, I ws in Santa Cruz for a few days in December. I really used to enjoy my trips there a few years ago but not so much now. The "freelancers" seem to have disappeared from the area around Plaza Principal (it used to be my happy hunting ground) but virtually impossible to find anything nowadays.

The porter at my hotel called a Chica for me a couple of evenings but I did not think that the quality was quite as good as before.

I would be interested to hear how your trip went as I have to go again later this year.

Hotman[/QUOTE]I was just in Bolivia for almost 10 days, with most of the time in Santa Cruz where it rained like the dickens. The upsurge in crime, by armed thugs, kept me away from the main square after dark and away from several of the markets during the day. This was on the sound advice of local friends in the area. The drug situation is also getting out of hand.

There is widespread political unrest with ongoing road blockades of the major cities, LP, SCZ, CBBA and Oruro. Because of the violent nature of the protest, I left Bolivia earlier than planned.

Last week, a report on CNN online revealed that in a listing of those nations of the world most UNfriendly to tourists, Bolivia was rated the absolute worst. Worse than Iran?

In the Andean highlands, locals are overtly hostile to outsiders of European stock and will charge you more and give you inferior or damaged merchandise. In SCZ, the situation was only slightly better.

Negotiating though the traffic is a nightmare especially with a good chunk of the taxis in severe disrepair; most are without seat belts. Hotel and airfare prices continue to climb. The better restaurants are the only good deal in town. They are safe too.

This was not a good time to look for chicas.

The golden days are gone.

I will not return.

Hi everyone,

I will visit Santa Cruz for first time in a few days. And I sure plan enjoying mu stay not only by visiting museums and other places described in tourist guides! .

Can you guys give me some tips / advices like :

- where to go to meet some hot and beautiful girls?

- can I bring girls in my hotel without trouble?

- how much will it cost?

- other.

Thanks for your help! .

Raf1978

Most of its a blur. This is what I can recall:

I stayed at Los Tajibos. The girls were required to show I'd. This was mandatory. I believe there was a fee associated with the guest of 50. 00US. I visited 3 strip clubs and wound up at Curry's. It was by far the best club in terms of quality and quantity. The girls rec bracelets for each drink they had me buy them. I settled on bottle service. Was cheaper in the long run. The price for LT was 250. 00 US. I hired a guide and he get me out of trouble for the most part.

I would stay at the Camino Real. Taxi drivers have picture books of chicas and the hotel lets them in. The cost used to be US$75. Pick a college girl from Paraguay. Tip the front desk and let them know you are expecting company.

Only travel by radio dispatched taxis even if you go short distances from the hotel. Take a business card for your hotel. Even if you speak some Spanish, taxis that you get downtown won't understand you and won't know the hotel. Agree on a price before you enter the taxi. Take a male friend along. Always have small bills; drivers have no change.

Stay away from the streets off the main plaza after dark. Do hang around Equipetrol

TripAdvisor. Com has excellent restaurant, bar and night-time recommendations.

These days I would not go to brothels or clubs frequented by locals.

[QUOTE=Raf1978; 1413771]Hi everyone,

I will visit Santa Cruz for first time in a few days. And I sure plan enjoying mu stay not only by visiting museums and other places described in tourist guides! .

Can you guys give me some tips / advices like :

- where to go to meet some hot and beautiful girls?

- can I bring girls in my hotel without trouble?

- how much will it cost?

- other.

Thanks for your help! .

Raf1978[/QUOTE]

So people don't get too scared or disappointed by uptonogood 's comments about Santa Cruz or Bolivia in general, I have to say that the information mentioned (prices, options, risks) would only apply to the camera around the neck wearing tourist types speaking absolutely no Spanish; shorts and sandals will not help either. Good information, but only applicable to certain type of folks.

Top quality girls can be had at lower cost (although it will take some work and research) , and average types at much much lower cost. A broader array of options are available, and, the safety situation is nowhere close to be as bad. In fact I have felt safer there than in some other SA countries and even some US cities.

Enjoy Bolivia.

[QUOTE=UpToNoGood; 1414585]I would stay at the Camino Real. Taxi drivers have picture books of chicas and the hotel lets them in. The cost used to be US$75. Pick a college girl from Paraguay. Tip the front desk and let them know you are expecting company.

Only travel by radio dispatched taxis even if you go short distances from the hotel. Take a business card for your hotel. Even if you speak some Spanish, taxis that you get downtown won't understand you and won't know the hotel. Agree on a price before you enter the taxi. Take a male friend along. Always have small bills; drivers have no change.

Stay away from the streets off the main plaza after dark. Do hang around Equipetrol

TripAdvisor. Com has excellent restaurant, bar and night-time recommendations.

These days I would not go to brothels or clubs frequented by locals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Digits; 1514579]So people don't get too scared or disappointed by uptonogood 's comments about Santa Cruz or Bolivia in general, I have to say that the information mentioned (prices, options, risks) would only apply to the camera around the neck wearing tourist types speaking absolutely no Spanish; shorts and sandals will not help either. Good information, but only applicable to certain type of folks.

Top quality girls can be had at lower cost (although it will take some work and research) , and average types at much much lower cost. A broader array of options are available, and, the safety situation is nowhere close to be as bad. In fact I have felt safer there than in some other SA countries and even some US cities.

Enjoy Bolivia.[/QUOTE]Beoader array of options? Could you be more specific? I am going to SCZ next week and I am fluent in Spanish.

Spent couple of weeks in SCZ. Used to go there many times few years back.

First I must say that it is not so dangerous as some people say. Just don't go wrong places / areas if you are very drunk.

The street action is non existent. Few years back you could find a nice girl for a reasonable price in the street. Now I didn't see any. During the daytime you can find girls in the casas de masajes for different prices. I didn't visit any of them.

I just visited some clubs during the night. The prices are outrageous. You must pay for the girls more than in Brazil.

I visited few times Curry's. It is maybe the best and most expensive club in SCZ. The girls are 7-9. A beer costs 40, Cuba Libre is 50 BOB. The girl drinks always cost the double. It seemed that all the clubs I visited the girls prefer making their money drinking than fucking (they get a commission for every drink the client buys her). If you want to get the girl out, you must pay for the girl and the house (la salida). La salida is around USD 50 and the girl asks something between 100-150 for 1 hour or 1 1/2 hours. The time actually doesn't make any difference, because one shot and the time is over. You can also fuck the girls on the premises. All these clubs have rooms, which cost some 200 BOB. They are quite disgusting, but you can get it done if you don't want to take the girl out and pay la salida. Even if the girls say one hour, you get a knock on the door after 35-40 minutes.

Then I visited couple of times Cafe Show. Girls are 6-9. A beer costs 30 BOB. Girl prices are more or less the same. I didn't fuck any of them, but had actually really good time drinking and dancing with the girls and watching the striptease shows.

Third I visited Red Lips. The girls are mostly 5-7 and some gorls are maybe 8. I fucked 2 girls there in the house. The sex was ok, but nothing sensational. Paid USD 100 for the girl and 200 BOB for the room. Be careful if you go there. During my last visit after the sex I was standing and watching the girl taking a shower. I felt something touching my leg and saw a big rat running to the shower and the up the shower wall, where it disappeared in a crack in the ceiling. I didn't know that the rats can run on wall as fast as on the ground.

I also visited a club which name I don't remember. The girls were 5-6. Quite worn out Peruvian girl tried to get USD 100 for a fuck. I said no thanks and left.

Putting all this together you can fuck in SCZ, but it is expensive and it is no mongers paradise.

I arrived in Sta Cruz last night from Cochabamba. The latest reports here were very discouraging, to say the least.

About 12:30, I decided to go out to a club but I was interceptes by the doorman who had a stack of photos. Picked a 22 yo Paraguayan who was almost as cute in person as the girl in the photo. We had a short discussion about BBBJ vs CBJ and whether I should pay her before the deed, and I won on both accounts. $100 USA. Fairly good BBBJ and sex in several positions ensued.

She was remarkably GFE. Thanks to the effects of scotch whiskey, it took me 40 minutes to pop. There were no complaints. I would repeat except I am only here one more night and a local is going to show me around. Her name is Luna, brunette with 32 inch tits, thin waist about 5'4". Pretty face.

She says she will be in Sta Cruz until January. I am happy to share her phone number by pm.

The hotel is named Yotau Suites Hotel. I am paying about $110 a night (expedia).

The suite is enormous but the place is a little run down. Bthere is a kitchen and a washing machine. Ppp.

I booked a room for two, hence, I was not charged (I hope). The price for 2 was identical to the price for one.

Finally, only some rooms have decent wifi. I recommend avooiding room 2201 but 2107 is excellent.

Hello all,

After a slow night at Curry's a taxi driver recommended a new club called Paradise. It is located behind the Zoo and is fancier than Curry's and Red Lips.

There are 20-25 girls between 7-9. Apparently some of the girls used to work at Curry's.

Entry is 50 BOB and 150 BOB for the room. I was told chicas charge $ - $. 5.

Cheers,

IC

Well this thread is pretty discouraging!

I am going to be in SCZ for a couple of weeks in February. Never been there before and don't speak Spanish.

I don't really like buying girls out of strip clubs, I have never found that to be as fun as it sounds.

I want to date a girl as well as fuck her. Go to dinner, go shopping, have her show me around. That kind of thing.

In Eastern Europe (my usual mongering ground) it is easy to meet girls on-line and either date or "sponsor" a girl, which involves a daily, weekly or monthly fee for her company, which includes GFE time as well as sex.

My preference for a place like Bolivia would be to hire a girl to be my interpreter and guide, as well as night time companion. How realistic is that?

Obviously this is not likely to be some girl I meet at a bar in a strip club. They will be a lot more "production oriented". So I am looking for a semi-pro or none pro, but at the same time I am not counting on my natural charm to get her into bed. I expect to use financial incentives, while allowing her to think she is not just a cheap hooker.

Are there dating web-sites to meet such girls? It used to be that HI5 was a good dating/social site for Latin America and Caribbean. What is best now?
Can I just try chatting up girls in coffee shops or restaurants? This works hit and miss for me in EE, but rarely is anyone offended, even if you proposition her and she isn't interested.

Any advice would be appreciated!

GT.

[QUOTE=Forest;1633510]I arrived in Sta Cruz last night from Cochabamba. The latest reports here were very discouraging, to say the least.

About 12:30, I decided to go out to a club but I was interceptes by the doorman who had a stack of photos. Picked a 22 yo Paraguayan who was almost as cute in person as the girl in the photo. We had a short discussion about BBBJ vs CBJ and whether I should pay her before the deed, and I won on both accounts. $100 USA. Fairly good BBBJ and sex in several positions ensued.

She was remarkably GFE. Thanks to the effects of scotch whiskey, it took me 40 minutes to pop. There were no complaints. I would repeat except I am only here one more night and a local is going to show me around. Her name is Luna, brunette with 32 inch tits, thin waist about 5'4". Pretty face.

She says she will be in Sta Cruz until January. I am happy to share her phone number by pm.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Forest;1633519]The hotel is named Yotau Suites Hotel. I am paying about $110 a night (expedia).

The suite is enormous but the place is a little run down. Bthere is a kitchen and a washing machine. Ppp.

I booked a room for two, hence, I was not charged (I hope). The price for 2 was identical to the price for one.

Finally, only some rooms have decent wifi. I recommend avooiding room 2201 but 2107 is excellent.[/QUOTE]I'm in Yotau suites and doesn't seem Girl friendly?

You can PM the number of the girl?

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Hi there,

Will be travelling to VVI around the 14th of February.

Looking for some advise, looking for a nice, clean place to find some beautiful women, or maybe just someone who can show me around for 1 night. I speak Spanish so that might help.

Also need a recommendation on a nice hotel that is friendly.

Thanks fellows.

[QUOTE=Forest;1633510]I arrived in Sta Cruz last night from Cochabamba. The latest reports here were very discouraging, to say the least.

About 12:30, I decided to go out to a club but I was interceptes by the doorman who had a stack of photos. Picked a 22 yo Paraguayan who was almost as cute in person as the girl in the photo. We had a short discussion about BBBJ vs CBJ and whether I should pay her before the deed, and I won on both accounts. $100 USA. Fairly good BBBJ and sex in several positions ensued.

She was remarkably GFE. Thanks to the effects of scotch whiskey, it took me 40 minutes to pop. There were no complaints. I would repeat except I am only here one more night and a local is going to show me around. Her name is Luna, brunette with 32 inch tits, thin waist about 5'4". Pretty face.

She says she will be in Sta Cruz until January. I am happy to share her phone number by pm.[/QUOTE]Met a girl in the US that fits her to a T. I've been trying to locate her since she left. I don't have PM so I can't request her number but I will add a photo and let you look at her, no face, and see if you recognize her. I'm headed south later this month and would like to know if she is in Santa Cruz de la Sierra or if I need to look for her in Paraguay. If you see this just say looks like her or not.

Thanks.

Greetings!

I'll be visiting Santa Cruz later this month and want a massage after the overnight flight. Has anyone visited Pamelita VIP? I'll be grateful for information on other locations as well.

Regards,

Richard.

I also put it on the New Map.

[B]Pamelita Masajes VIP[/B], Calle Chuchio #2040, and Av. Cristo Redentor between 2 DO and 3 ER Anillo. Tel: +591 7664 2391. Hours: _ [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Pamelita-Masajes-VIP-526968934124801/[/URL].

[QUOTE=RBoone;2057360]Greetings!

I'll be visiting Santa Cruz later this month and want a massage after the overnight flight. Has anyone visited Pamelita VIP? I'll be grateful for information on other locations as well.

Regards,

Richard.[/QUOTE]

Headed there soon and I have the map.

But, has anyone been there lately that can discuss any recent action?

Thanks in advance.

I went to Santa Cruz for the first time for a business trip. I did not go hunting but did see something interesting.

Three old men at the hotel lounge with three hot women so I can only surmise that there is an active P4 P scene.

From what I could see of the city it is not a place I would visit for a vacation. By the way, it took 12 hours to get there from the USA East Coast. If I were to spend that much travel time I would be heading for Frankfurt FKK's, Philippines or Thailand.

I can not give you permission to use the Map, because.

For some reason Google says you do not have a GMail account.

It is the same for the Medellin Map.

Why Bolivia? I've never been and I always wanted to visit the country. Why Santa Cruz? I would not survive in the highest capital in the world, La Paz! Plus, I was going to Asuncion, Paraguay, and I figured I would just hop over to Bolivia. Thus, it was a double county romp in the making.

First and foremost, I want to thank World Travel 69 for his excellent map. There was very little information that I found, but his map was golden!

Logistics:

Flight:

I flew Amaszonas airlines out of Asuncion to Santa Cruz and back for $320.

The Visa on Arrival:

A passport is required to enter Bolivia. USA Citizens arriving by air may obtain a "visa en arribo" (visa on arrival) at the airport (VVI) in Santa Cruz. This is a multiple entry visa valid for 10 years and costs $160, payable in USA Currency (credit cards are not accepted).

*IMPORTANT: US Dollar notes must be in perfect condition. Old, torn, or marked notes will not be accepted by officials (I used new unmarked 20 dollar notes).

US Citizens Must Present:

6 month validity remaining on passport.
2 copies of passport information page.
2 passport photos (No longer needed)
Evidence of a hotel reservation (OR Airbnb reservation).
Detailed printed itinerary of your time in Bolivia (For this, I just printed out places I wanted to see and places where I wanted to eat from Trip Advisor, and yes, they did ask for the document).
Exit ticket out of Bolivia.
Proof of economic solvency (credit card, cash, or a current bank statement) - They did not ask me to show proof.

Immigration did not seem very happy when I arrived. The first question: Why are you here? Well, I wanted to reply, "I'm here to fuck some of your putas! Where should I go first? Do you have any hot sisters, cousins, or nieces?" BUT, I knew better! I replied, "I've never been to your country and I'm only a simple tourist. ".

Logging:

I rented a plush two bedroom / two bathroom apartment on Airbnb for $80 per night. The place had 24 hour security and my host was great.

Money:

The rate I received at the bank was 6. 85 Boliviano to 1 USD. The bank did ask to see my passport and wanted an address and phone number where I was staying in Santa Cruz.

Getting around town:

Getting from the airport, I paid less than 3 bucks to the apartment. The exchange rate at the airport was the same rate at the bank. Returning to the airport, the driver wanted twice the rate; pinche bastardo!

I took taxis everywhere. None of them were metered, so I always asked how much they would charge me before I got into the cab. They were all pretty honest and the taxis were dirt cheap, 2 to 5 bucks pretty much anywhere in town.

Language:

Very few people, taxi drivers, and restaurant workers knew how to speak anything but Spanish. I struggled at times, but that was part of the fun of exploring a different country.

Communication:

I have the T-Mobile North American plan. My plan gave me unlimited data at 2 G speed, calls at 20 cents per minute and free texts. Thus, I started using WhatsApp on my regular phone. I started chatting with my apartment host before I left. As long as I had a WiFi signal, WhatsApp was free of charge. I was chatting on WhatsApp, Facebook, and Skype; including video calls for no charge whatsoever.

Where I ate in Santa Cruz:

La Casa del Camba (twice): Excellent local dishes!
El Alijibe Combia tipica: Good, but the one above was better IMHO.
Republica: Skip the place, average food to say the least.

Overall thoughts on food: I only ate in three restaurants and thought only one was outstanding for the traditional food; La Casa del Camba.

The Venues:

With the help of World Travel 69's map, I was off and running the first night. The map had strip clubs and smaller clubs, kind of like casas. I mixed them both every night and tried to get as much information to update the map. But, there were so many, I may have gotten more than half way through the places listed.

I was determined to gather as much information as possible. In each bar / club / venue, I asked several questions and did my best to write the answers on my trusty note pad. As each night went on, the more I drank. Thus, if I am wrong with any of my notes, feel free to correct me. All of the prices are in Bolivianos, some in USD. I'm now drinking vodka and soda water when I travel. The fichas were various prices, I am quoting the lowest ficha price.

These places are either closed, new, OR are regular clubs:

Queen Club and Bar: Just a regular silly disco.
Cesar Palace: Closed.
New Curry Show: Closed.
Aqua Luna Show: Closed.
Club Capricho: Old name, now the name is Kaprichoos.
Tiffanys Show Internacional: Went by there twice; closed.
Club de Compania Las Vegas: Not there.
Club Osiris VIP: Not there.
Club listed as "Name?" on Av. Viedma # 213, between Av. Brasil and uflo de Chavez is called Las Diosas (will report).
Kabaret: new privado. Segundo Anillo entre Av. Piral why Grigota, Plazuela Guarani Casa #111 (will report).
Luxos VIP: new club. Av. 26 de Febrero 2 do. Anillo entre Av. Roca why Coronado why Pirai frente Cooperativa San Martin de Porres (will report).

Club: Cafe Show.
Cover: 50, includes one drink.
My drink: 50.
Ficha: 80.
Sex: 100 USD /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 20.
Quality of chicas: good to very good.
Night / Time: 11 Wednesday.
Comments: Nice club, but pricey.

Club: Kaprichoos.
Cover: 40, includes one drink.
My drink: 40.
Ficha: 90.
Sex: 300 B /30 minutes.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 30.
Quality of chicas: good to very good.
Night / Time: 11:30 Wednesday.
Comments: Nice big club!

Club / Privado: 198 Calle 36.
Cover: none.
My drink: didn't ask.
Ficha: 40 (I think).
Sex: 300 B /30 or 400/1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 5.
Quality of chicas: good.
Night / Time: Midnight Wednesday.
Comments: Nice little club and I liked the girl I was with.

Club / Privado: Las Pinas.
Cover: none.
My drink: 30.
Ficha: 30.
Sex: 500 B /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 4.
Quality of chicas: OK to a tad better than OK.
Night / Time: 1:30 Wednesday.
Comments: Chicas were friendly, we did some tequila shots!

That was about all I could handle Wednesday night!

Club / Privado: Exotica Club.
Cover: none.
My drink: 40.
Ficha: 40 big ass beer.
Sex: 300 B /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 4.
Quality of chicas: OK to good (mine).
Night / Time: 11:30 Thursday.
Comments: Small cozy place, I went there again Saturday night because I liked the girl.

Club / Privado: Hot Night.
Cover: ?
My drink: ?
Ficha: ?
Sex: 200 B /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 2 - but I was told more would be there on Saturday.
Quality of chicas: ?
Night / Time: 1 Thursday.
Comments: The place has two blue lights and is across the street of Exotica Club. I rang the bell a couple of times and I guess I woke them up. Thus, I checked prices and moved on to greener pastures.

Club: NC Paradise.
Cover: 80 - two drinks included.
My drink: 40.
Ficha: 90.
Sex: 1000 B /200 for the room /30 minutes.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: I was told 80, saw at least 50+.
Quality of chicas: Very good to fucking hot!
Night / Time: 1:30 Thursday.
Comments: What a great club! The club had shows, an outdoor pool, outdoor sitting area, and a ton of fucking women! I returned there Saturday night for my nightcap.

Club: Anaconda VIP.
Cover: 5 B (yes, 5 lousy Bolivianos).
My drink: 30.
Ficha: 50.
Sex: 250 B /1 hour or 200 B /30 minutes.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 10.
Quality of chicas: ugh to OK.
Night / Time: 11 Friday.
Comments: strange club, only offered whisky and sodas.

Club: Las Diosas.
Cover: none.
My drink: 30 whisky.
Ficha: 50.
Sex: 250 B /1 hour or 200 B /30 minutes.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 15.
Quality of chicas: OK to good.
Night / Time: 11:30 Friday.
Comments: The place was packed with locals and one too many were staring me down. Stayed long enough to gather the information needed.

Club: La Mansion.
Cover: none.
My drink: 40.
Ficha: 70.
Sex: 100 USD /30 B for the room /30 minutes.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 10.
Quality of chicas: good to very good.
Night / Time: midnight Friday.
Comments: Nice club, but quite pricy.

Club / Privado: Kabaret.
Cover: none.
My drink: 50.
Ficha: 50.
Sex: 200 B /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 2.
Quality of chicas: good and very sweet chicas.
Night / Time: 12:30 Friday.
Comments: Cozy place with nice people.

Club: Luxos.
Cover: 40 - includes one drink.
My drink: 40.
Ficha: 60.
Sex: 100 USD /1 hour.
On site: yes.
Number of chicas: 20.
Quality of chicas: good to very good.
Night / Time: 1 Friday.
Comments: Real nice club, but pricey.

Street girls:

I made my rounds 3 different days at different times of all the places listed; I did not see one single SG!

Cupid:

No luck whatsoever.

Tinder:

No luck whatsoever.

Overall thoughts on Santa Cruz:

I had a great stay in Santa Cruz. I enjoyed what the city had to offer. The city was very tranquil, the women were hot, and the people were very friendly. And the regional food was pretty damn good. I also like the fact that I HAD to speak Spanish to communicate with the locals / chicas.

I had a great time exploring and documenting stuff for our community; no regrets whatsoever!

Would I ever return to Santa Cruz? Nah, too far of a trip and my immigration friends didn't seem to care for me.

As always, just my dos pinche pesos of course!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2198868]Why Bolivia? I've never been and I always wanted to visit the country. Why Santa Cruz? I would not survive in the highest capital in the world, La Paz! Plus, I was going to Asuncion, Paraguay, and I figured I would just hop over to Bolivia. Thus, it was a double county romp in the making.[/QUOTE]As always Tomjackin goes above and beyond the call of duty, great report sir.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2198868]. Why Santa Cruz? First and foremost, I want to thank World Travel 69 for his excellent map. There was very little information that I found I was off and running the first night. The map had strip clubs and smaller clubs, kind of like casas. I mixed them both every night I was determined to gather as much information as possible. In each bar / club / venue, I asked several questions and did my No luck whatsoeverOverall thoughts on Santa Cruz: had a great stay in![/QUOTE]Visiting Sta. Cruz de la Sierra ten years' ago (because it was the cheapest Bolivian city to get to) the business model in their club-type places (like zona roja in Bogota) was on site, where prying them out to your hotel room was not what they wanted to do. Interestingly, the guys working in the hotels were always asking me if I wanted chicas, and whenever I said of course, what showed up at the room was the same girls from the casas and clubs (delivered to spec)! Overall, Sta Cruz, an entirely provincial city with very little to nothing on offer once you're past the novelty aspect.

To each his own but since both Argentina and Uruguay have seen the error of their ways and have rescinded all entry / reciprocity fees I'll be damned if I'm going to pay this third world country $ 160 USD for the privilege of spending USA One to two thousand in their country for the week. I think they are losing more than me but again to each his own. No hate here and am grateful for all the excellent info provided.

[QUOTE=Rover2;2201308]To each his own but since both Argentina and Uruguay have seen the error of their ways and have rescinded all entry / reciprocity fees I'll be damned if I'm going to pay this third world country $ 160 USD for the privilege of spending USA One to two thousand in their country for the week. I think they are losing more than me but again to each his own. No hate here and am grateful for all the excellent info provided.[/QUOTE]Point taken. When I went to Argentina for the first time, I had to pay for the visa. I paid for the one in Brazil because I love the women and food.

I have a personal goal of visiting every country in South America, Spanish speaking or not. I gather all the information I can to help others in our wicked community.

Thank you for the feedback.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2201641]I have a personal goal of visiting every country in South America, Spanish speaking or not. I gather all the information I can to help others in our wicked community.[/QUOTE]Great report, Tijuana! I am sorry to see that Curry's and Caesar's have closed. I took a Brazilian out of Curry's and a Paraguyan out of Caesar's and they blew my mind. I wish I would have seen you request and told you about Los Hierros, best steakhouse I have ever been to. The steaks are great, and their Waldorf salad would have blown your mind. Don't ask me why.

I went to La Paz and Cochabamba. You didn't miss much women wise. There were mostly Incan women, nice but not as attractive as the women of European descent in Santa Cruz IMO. I think Paraguay is the best value in SA, and Brazil has the best women. I have done most of SA as you have. Chile and Ecuador are all I have left outside of Guyana and Suriname, and I have no desire to go there.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;2198868]Why Bolivia? I've never been and I always wanted to visit the country. Why Santa Cruz? I would not survive in the highest capital in the world, La Paz! Plus, I was going to Asuncion, Paraguay, and I figured I would just hop over to Bolivia. Thus, it was a double county romp in the making. [/QUOTE]Great report, much appreciated. I'm based in Medellin but I'll be in Santa Cruz next month for business. Going to use this report as a guide to add pleasure to the itinerary.

I'm in town for a few days, visiting from Medellin.

I checked out a couple of places last night (Monday), both on the map. The first was Kaprichoos Club, but it was closed. The signage was there, and it didn't look completely abandoned, so I'm not sure if it's permanently defunct or what exactly.

The second was Cafe Show Strip Club nearby. There was no cover, drinks started at 40 be and girlie drinks were 70 B. Got to say, I was impressed by the lineup. There were chicas there from Brazil, Cuba, Paraguay, Chile, and maybe even Bolivia, haha. Wasn't expecting this at all, and the talent level was pretty high. The Chilean I spoke with quoted me US $100, but then said she'd come to my hotel during the afternoon today for 300 be. Seems like a no-brainer, they must take a hefty cut at the club.

My friend joined me in Santa Cruz and we hit up a few places yesterday (Tuesday).

After going to Guembe (a worthwhile destination), we tried two casas near the Ventura Mall. We did not find Club Privado. Exotico. But this part of town they seem to be really hidden, so we could've just missed it. Across where it was supposed to be we did find Club Privado. Hot Night. The girl running the place looked absolutely shocked to see us. After 30 minutes, she managed to get us drinks and put music on the sound system. Another 20 minutes and two unattractive girls kind of presented themselves by standing in the doorway for about 5 seconds and then leaving. We finished our drinks and then left. This was about 5 pm.

In the evening, we first went to Luxos, which we found via a first-rate business card in our hotel. I also read TomJackin's sold report below. I don't doubt that the girls were quality when he was there, but we were disappointed. The place it too dark and too loud. Of the 8 or so girls we saw, half were straight-up 2's or 3's. Maybe some were 5's, and maybe things spice up later in the night and on the weekends, but we got the hell out of there. I noticed that Luxos has an ad in the Amazonas in-flight magazine on the way to La Paz today. Very strange.

We went to Anaconda's on the other side of town next. This place is not for the faint of heart; extremely local and cheap and just plain cheesy. They have crazy decor and a smoke machine spewing out awful-smelling smoke and a DJ playing stupid sound effects constantly. There were maybe 10 girls, all local and young, and two were attractive and I probably would've sessioned with. But we got the distinct vibe we were not wanted; it was like we wandered into a private party. So fuck that, we left. Worth the visit for the strangeness factor alone, though.

Lastly, we walked to Cafe Show Strip Club, where I had good luck the night before. The quality here again was solid. Things start to get going at midnight. It seems like the chicas here prefer to session outside the club rather than inside. I had two give me their numbers for my return trip to Santa Cruz next week.

1) Kaprichoos Club is in fact open, and it was decent when we went last week. Just stopped in for a drink and didn't session, because it was too early in the evening, and it wasn't going on yet. But lots a nice-looking chicas sitting around. (Must just be closed on Mondays?

2) We never saw any SWs our entire time in Santa Cruz. Or La Paz for that matter. We passed the denoted areas on the map at all times of the day, and no sign of anything like that.

Added the changes to the Map and a few others.

[QUOTE=HornyGoats;2240892]1) Kaprichoos Club is in fact open, and it was decent when we went last week. Just stopped in for a drink and didn't session, because it was too early in the evening, and it wasn't going on yet. But lots a nice-looking chicas sitting around. (Must just be closed on Mondays?

2) We never saw any SWs our entire time in Santa Cruz. Or La Paz for that matter. We passed the denoted areas on the map at all times of the day, and no sign of anything like that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2154011]I also put it on the New Map.

[B]Pamelita Masajes VIP[/B], Calle Chuchio #2040, and Av. Cristo Redentor between 2 DO and 3 ER Anillo. Tel: +591 7664 2391. Hours: _ [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Pamelita-Masajes-VIP-526968934124801/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Pamelita Masajes VIP is fucking awesome. I negotiated BS 1500 for two chicas for two hours with the option to choose one for BBFS. Ask for the youngest one, she is age 22. I don't want to mention her publicly by name, but want to recommend her. My visit was last week.

Everything is on the menu. I asked about off site dates, but didn't actually do that. The same BS 1500 can get you an overnight if you care to negotiate it.

[QUOTE=TxSnake;2282104]Pamelita Masajes VIP is fucking awesome. I negotiated BS 1500 for two chicas for two hours with the option to choose one for BBFS. Ask for the youngest one, she is age 22. I don't want to mention her publicly by name, but want to recommend her. My visit was last week.

Everything is on the menu. I asked about off site dates, but didn't actually do that. The same BS 1500 can get you an overnight if you care to negotiate it.[/QUOTE]I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

Walked up to the gate, rang the buzzer. "Yo quiero masaje. Tienes masajistas?" I was buzzed in. I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans. I explained (in American high school sophomore Spanish) that it is my first time in Bolivia, first time in Sta. Cruz, and first time at Pamelita's. That brought a smile. I was offered a line-up of six girls, but when I asked if the mamacita was available she smiled and said yes! She led me upstairs, I took a shower and we both undressed. We exchanged massages, first me then her. Rubbing her pussy seemed to get her excited and a little noisy. We finished with a very satisfactory BBBJ, CIM. After that we talked, or tried to, for a bit and then I was ready to leave. Damage was BS 1000 plus propina Bs250 for the Spanish lesson.

Sorry for late post.

Richard.

[QUOTE=RBoone;2369187]I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

Walked up to the gate, rang the buzzer. "Yo quiero masaje. Tienes masajistas?" I was buzzed in. I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans. I explained (in American high school sophomore Spanish) that it is my first time in Bolivia, first time in Sta. Cruz, and first time at Pamelita's. That brought a smile. I was offered a line-up of six girls, but when I asked if the mamacita was available she smiled and said yes! She led me upstairs, I took a shower and we both undressed. We exchanged massages, first me then her. Rubbing her pussy seemed to get her excited and a little noisy. We finished with a very satisfactory BBBJ, CIM. After that we talked, or tried to, for a bit and then I was ready to leave. Damage was BS 1000 plus propina Bs250 for the Spanish lesson.

Sorry for late post.

Richard.[/QUOTE]So if my math is right a 6.9 be to the dollar $ 1,250 be = $181 USD?

1500 BS for 2 girls for 2 hours full service is a decent deal for the place on Cuchillo.

1000 BS for 1 girl for 1 hour full service is at least twice "normal" rate. Add the 250 propina and that was waaay overcompensated. I've had 2 top shelf chicas together for that (admittedly took some negotiating). The girls on Cuchillo are OK but not top shelf by any means. Enthusiastic and just OK on they eyes, but not stunners by any stretch.

Similar place on Rio Quimore has better talent (on average day) and better pricing. 300 BS per "chica hour" for "besotherapia" (oral) would be normal as an example.

Interestingly the girls manage time in these places more with skill than clock watching and do a pretty good job of it.

Just info. Hope no one gets offended. Reality check on pricing is always a good thing. Hope someone keeps me from overpaying when I in unknown waters.

FWIW this in all likelyhood was not the mamacita. The girls in these joints (the more "senior" ones anyway) rotate the job of answering the door and handling the line up and sometimes the cash. Usually everything you lay eyes on is on the menu. If the real mamacita was around you would have at most caught a glimpse of her through a door. The place on chuchio has a dude hanging around from time to time. Ironing his clothes and shit like that. Which is rare in these places. It doesn't keep me away, but for some reason I've filed it away as info that might be important. For the guy asking about exchange rate 6. 9 might be close to what you get on the street, but the girls in these places are only going to give you 6. 8. No big deal to us I know cause its just pennies. They only ***** about dollars when you need change and they don't have it though. For example if you owe 350 BS and pay with a 100 USD they might ***** about having to come up with 330 BS cash. Sometimes if its early they just won't have the BS and they have to go outside somewhere to change your benjamin while you wait. So its best to let them know you have USD only up front if that is the case. Benjamins are by far the prefered denomination. Others are frowned upon or even just not accepted. Forget about using 1's or 5's in combination with BS for example.

[QUOTE=RBoone;2369187]I've been away from this group for a while and just realized that I did not post anything about my visit. The information regarding pricing may be a little out of date, but here goes.

. . . I met the mamacita, an attractive woman in her mid- to late twenties wearing a tight blouse and cut off jeans.[/QUOTE]

Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.

Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.

[QUOTE=JohnJabber;2373611]Stopped by very recently. About 5 chicas in lineup with best of them 4/10. In the past there was usually at least 1 5/10 or 6/10 in the lineup. This place has heavy advertising on social media and papers which may be why it stays in business. Too many better options out there but it doesn't hurt to stop by an have a look. Nobody there gets offended if you pass and just leave. Just say thanks and that you'll return another day.

Don't expect to find top shelf in any of these places. Usually best case is 6/10 and once in a while you might find a 7. 5/10 showing up regular at one of these places. BJ is 250-350 BS and FS is 400-500 BS in all of these joints unless you find a really trash place.

You can get top shelf (independents) for not too much more or even about the same $70-$100 USD but takes some work. Find one you like and that you click with and she can find more for you.

The places like 2040 Chuchillo are strictly for convenience and not much more to offer than that. Well. A real professional level massage is actually thrown in there with everything else if you want. There is that.[/QUOTE]

I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2503303]I'm about to fly to Santa Cruz today from La Paz. It seems promising on Skokka. I found two spas. I'll hit one of them up. I'm only in Santa Cruz for one day before going to Sucre.

The spa is 450 BS ( 64 usd). 250 BS for the massage and 200 BS for sex. I don't care about the massage, but I think it's required. There were lots of other good ads too.[/QUOTE]Wow. Better than I could have hoped for. A spa with 8 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some. It would have cost 800 BS (119 usd), but I tipped them both so it was 1000 BS (149). I know the prices aren't amazing, but the service was. Hard to complain.

Been in Bolivia since 2019 and if you are paying more than 350 BS for an hour you are scamming yourself. You can get better service in better places with a wide choice of women to choose from who are great looking.

Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?

Hey y'all,

I'm visiting Santa Cruz in a few months and was wondering if there were any suggestions or places to go. I know COVID changed a lot but was wondering if anyone has any places that are available today.

[QUOTE=FRobertson;2683790]Dear colleagues,

I am contemplating exploring the Ayahuasca thing. As I understand, it would be better to do it in some reputable, safe, and not-too-touristy place (I do wish for it to be somewhat authentic). Would you kindly share your experiences and guidance?[/QUOTE]I'm wondering why Bolivia? As for me, I was disappointed with ayahuasca. I have had better results with Bufo. ID you are in the US, I could point you to a couple of places in Mexico. I live in a border town, and that is the path I take. Drop me a PM if interested.

Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.

Club 2515: This caters much more to locals and you can tell. Even those I'm a gringo and they could tell I was treated fairly. The girls here are a bit of lesser quality but they are a bit more outgoing and willing to do more for there drinks so to speak. If your looking for high quality you can probably skip but if your curious I'd give it a go.

[QUOTE=HiFive1234;2728843]Better late then never I guess. Thought I'd come back around and put one up since this forum isn't as active. Was only there for 2/3 days as a stop over location so don't have a vast amount of details.

Non-mongering related but worth mentioning. City felt surprisingly safe, walked around a lot without a problem even in areas that were probably inadvisable to walk around in.

Massage parlors are my scene so I went around and hit up a few of those. The prices are a bit steep compared to other Latin American venues so was a bit surprised, market rate seems to be $50 for 30 min. But you can certainly monger in this city without a problem.

Clubs:

Club Paradise: Really nice place got a pool area outside and more of a general club area inside. There are waiters / management who speaks English (nice people). Tons of girls maybe a 10:1 girls to patrons ration. Almost so many girls to an uncomfortable degree, I went there my first night just to scope it out and get a feel but started feeling bad just drinking my beer with so many girls wanting attention.

Luxos club: Closed seems to only be closed temporarily they had a security guy outside watching the place. Went there on a weekend night and he said they were closed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Highfive. So what were the prices in Club Paradise?

Here is an update.

It looks like a lot of places are closed.

Let us know which ones?

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1xh09oDxBdn3yF26TUTyHu40wz9b6q23z&ll=-17.78590777021592%2C-63.18835989498726&z=13[/URL]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2374238]Do you have names for these places?

The addresses are not coming up on the Map.[/QUOTE]

So, after a good night's rest after my late arrival in Santa Cruz, I got to work on looking for some opportunities for spending my day there until my early evening flight. I had done some homework before I left Sao Paulo and did a search on Arrechas, another wonderful product of Truvalia Classifieds.

[URL]https://www.arrechas.com/escorts/santa-cruz[/URL]

Now one thing I've learned about the Spanish speaking realm of South America, I noticed that ads for some escorts, or pairs of girls are often a front for bordellos (I don't think that Truvlia lets brothels advertise openly). The key word to finding them is to do a search of the site for the word "somos". Brothels tend to use the first-person plural in the description and somos is present in such ads. I came up with a few prospects that way, and sent them a Whatsapp inquiry. I got a message back from both, though a bit belated. The response was the usual well prepared texts and rates, along with photos of the girls with their faces obscured. I chose the one closest to me, which I nicknamed " " in my contacts because that was the name of ad for the girl in Arrechas. Rates were 250 an hour for both. Both sent me their address. One was a bit more complicated as it was located near a transport hub, I gathered. But, they at least sent photos with directions to their place. I ended up going to one in what turned out to be a nice, upscale residential neighborhood.

The numbers on the house were hard to read from the street and the Uber dropped me off at the end of the block. I walked around a bit before I saw the address on the wall around a large house, rang the buzzer and waited a while before ringing again. I'd sent them a Zap earlier indicating I was on the way, and for some reason I got the idea that they'd be expecting me. The door to the gate opened and there was a younger guy, maybe mid-20's standing there looking me over. He directed me to the front door of the house without so much of a greeting. I doubt they get many gringos here, as they are scarce in Santa Cruz as I found out. The house was dark but furnished decently and the guy pointed me to a couch where I sat while he called out the girls for the lineup. Several came out of an adjoining room. A few were rather tall, and of course a few very short and squat. I couldn't see them too well in the low light, which I expect was like that for a reason. But, none looked homely or overweight. Ages ranged form maybe 20 to a bit more mature. As soon as they saw me they seemed interested and starting chattering in Spanish and I heard the word "ingles" a fee times. At least they seemed more enthused than the host. I chose a tall girl standing close to me and she directed me to a small bar set up in the room. I paid the pimp for an hour, and he offered me a condom which I declined because I always bring my own (brothels and many escorts everywhere in the world tend to be stocked with cheap, small condoms you wouldn't want on your cock). I had to wonder if he would have charged me for that.

Once upstairs we entered a nice large bedroom though there was obviously something wrong the door, as she used the only visible towel to jam the door closed. I got a look at her. Cute face and nice body. Her name was Yessica (or at least that is what she is called there). She was only wearing a black bra and g-string with white heels on. We chit-chatted a bit in my limited Spanish and she indicated she wanted to learn English. I was ready to " drop the linen and commence with the sinnin' yet she wanted to get comfortable with me a bit, and asked me some questions about myself, my age, my occupation, what I was doing in Bolivia and my marital status. She told me she was 20 and she actually looked to be 20. But, it was obvious she was not a seasoned hoe, either and her body was nice with no signs of maternity. She asked me if I wanted a shower and I said yes, of course as showing good hygiene goes a long way even if you just took a shower. There was a large dressing area to the side and a bathroom attached to it, though the light didn't work in it. I left my clothes on the racks there and took a cold shower. This was obviously once a nice house but clearly in a state of disrepair. I had to get the towel off the door to dry myself off. After that, I finally got her to undress, and get on the bed. I told I wanted to suck her pussy but she said it was not allowed there. Huh? Okay, your loss. I've made many a reluctant hoe come and even squirt when I was down on her. So it got down to just cuddling and she would not allow kisses on the lips, either. I thought to myself that this is going to be lousy when it shouldn't. She at least let me finger her pussy a while and in short order put on the condom I brought (a Magnum Bareskins which she was every curious about). Of course, came the CBJ and then she decided to get on top of me. To her credit she didn't pull out any lube and grease her parts up (which is unfortunately standard in Brazil), so there was ample friction going into the snug twat. After riding me for awhile she got off, and asked what I wanted. I flipped her on all fours, took a look at that ass, spread her cheeks and stuffed my nose down there, which at least got her giggling. To be sure that ass looked lovely. And it was smooth sailing after that. I pumped her from behind, and that felt so awesome I was done before I wanted to be. However, in the requisite pillow talk she continued her line of questioning about myself, without revealing much about herself (which was probably embarassing for her anyways). She wanted my contact info and I let her enter her cell number onto mine. But, it was so strange as she had little interest in sex but a clear interest something else about myself. I thought to myself, "Girl if you looking to be my sugar baby, you are going to have do a lot better than you have done so far. We are not off to a good start. " She seemed comfortable with me though and we chatted until I saw it was approaching an hour and I put on my clothes and she headed downstairs with me in her lingerie, of course. Downstairs the door was already open as the pimp was going to the gate with one of the near naked girl. They were getting a delivery of food from a driver. He looked at me and said something in English like "take it easy" but not so much as an expression of gratitude for the business or any desire for me to return. So, I won't. Seriously, in Colombia the casas are typically run by friendly guys, who want you to have a good experience and come back. So, I walked out the gate, which they closed very quickly, and tried in vain to find a good cup of coffee in the neighborhood. So, I caught my Uber back to the Plaza Metropolitana where I bought some souvenirs, ate a steak at a decent restaurant and went back to the hotel just in time to get my bags and catch an Uber to the airport for the flight to Lima.

Based on my limited experience, I won't come back there just to punt, though I do plan to bite the bullet, pay the $160 for a tourist visa and check out the many other renowned places in Bolivia (at some point). Yessica sent me a zap next day, indicating she wanted me to help her learn English and she chats with me every day now and asks when I am going to come back. Hmmm. I asked if she had even been to the beach and she said she had never been invited out to a country which had a beach. That could be some enticing bait, in the right circumstances. She asks me questions like "what do you want in a woman" and tells me her dreams in life, and other naive, girly stuff. I can only imagine her background, but anything would be uphill for her at this point. I mention this because this is the only time in all my punting adventures in 11 nations that a girl has initiated correspondence with me. Then again, Bolivia is probably the poorest country I have visited. Point to ponder.

Time to ring up my old Brit friend in Rio, who has multiple girls in different counties in SA on a stringer. I have no experience as a sugar daddy, and definitely will need his seasoned advice on how to manage this potential adventure.

Hi,

I just went to a massage place. I found it thanks to bo. Skokka. It is located at 3335 rurrenabaque street. There was 6 girls. They were not all beautiful but I found one that suite me. The one hour massage with "happy ending" was 250 Bob (33 euros). You can also have sex for 450 Bob (60 euros).

I have been happy with this place.

Feel like this city is under appreciated for mongering and that's why I'm posting.

I've found this link: [URL]https://www.elfocorojo.com/escorts-y-damas-de-compania-en-santa-cruz/[/URL] to be good for finding girls / brothels.

So far I've visited LOS Mangoes twice. The first time was in the morning (2 chicks) and I had a beautiful petite girl (7/10 looks) for 100 bolivianos for 10 minutes, 5 BOB for the condom. Wouldn't do oral but pussy was great. The second time (3 chicks) only one girl was good looking but she wanted a much steeper price than I was willing to pay for her and without oral and I decided to go elsewhere.

Anaconda International VIP. This place is pretty solid, can get 10 minutes for 60 BOB, 20 minutes for 100. Usually has 3-4 girls when I've been, lowest ranking was a 6, highest maybe an 8. One girl tongued my nuts, they'll only do oral with a condom in my experience but for the price / looks of girl value it's a pretty good deal. 5 BOB for entry, 5 BOB for condom.

My favorite so far has been at Alojamiento San Jose through a girl on the website I linked. Rayza (22 YO). I have banged her and another girl named Tayelle (SP?) in this hotel. It's 20 BOB for the door, and I paid 150 for 30 minutes with Rayza and 100 extra for no condom oral. She was amazing. I'd rank her about a high 8 to a 9 for my taste, nice luscious tits pretty face. Gave really good head and pussy was tight. The other girl Tayelle (19 YO) I banged another day for 250 for an hour, 100 more for raw oral, 100 more for raw vaginal and 50 to bust on her face so 500 total. Worth every damn cent. She was a attractively trashy looking, sort of like a hippy chick with extensions and a nose ring but was great.

Otherwise, I've been plowing girls from tinder, it may be easier because I'm a younger white guy but the matches don't stop coming. Anyway, I enjoyed this place just from tinder when I visited last year, now that I am staying here longer I've gotten into the mongering scene and it's quite good IMO especially for value, maybe only second to Belo Horizonte although things may have changed in the last five years. Cities are safe and there are a ton of great restaurants and cafes in the wealthier parts of the city. Cheers.

Oh, and then I've also gotten messages from a "cartel boss" trying to extort me for money because I didn't go to a certain brothel or whatever. Don't fall for this scam.

Last day here and I'll recap most recent activities.

I got catfished hard by a club on that site. Should've seen it coming. Place was deep as fuck from Barrio Equipetrol. The actual venue was quite nice but none of the girls looked like the ones in the pictures that the phone # sent me on whatsapp and they were at best 6/10. I decided to hit Anaconda VIP but at 2 PM the talent was not very appealing so I ended up hitting Rayza again.

Yesterday (Friday) I went back to Anaconda at around 9 PM (I think peak hours are 4-6 PM from what the guy working there told me). Nevertheless there were five girls, three were too fat for my taste, one I had banged before so I chose Candy I think her name was. Super slim, long black hair, taller than average Bolivian.

Paid 100 BOB for 20 minutes, 5 for the condom. I offered her 50 BOB more for raw oral which she accepted and seemed to thoroughly enjoying sucking my cock as she slipped it in without putting a condom on. I fucked her for a couple of minutes before she remembered that I was plowing her raw and I offered her 50 BOB more to continue. We ended up going for a solid 10+ minutes after the oral and I ended up breaking the bed a little, some of these are pretty shitty LOL. Finished inside of her. She had a see-section square but it wasn't terrible. Nice small titties and ass but real enthusiasm. What I like about Bolivian chicks is that they tend to fuck raw often (not the hookers, but tinder dates), they don't have kids like fucking Colombian chicks, I swear every third Colombian chick over 16 is a mom or some shit and I think the STD rate here is quite low. Could be wrong but that is just my experience.

Unfortunately Santa Cruz isn't the most exciting place and you'll run out of shit to do quick besides mongering but to be honest it is a great place to live cheap with a high quality of life.

It has been update, but needs your help.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2745958]Here is an update.

It looks like a lot of places are closed.

Let us know which ones?

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