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[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]When back in China the girls seem to have very conservative quiet lives as divorced mothers often sharing the family home with older parents etc.[/quote]Very true, and why I like to hook up with a girl just back from a home leave. :) They have stifled 'desires' as well.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Many seem to come here on the promise of office work, shops etc. but then find they have debts to pay for visas, room etc. and the 'bar work' is the only option.[/quote]Not MY experience - most are brought in by friends who do explain the nature of the work. They might HOPE they can find a legit job, but they do understand what the work will be, though most are quite ignorant of the actual cost of the job (just SEEMS like easy work...)
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]However, seems after they are here a while their view hardens.[/quote]Will agree, self-protection. But if you find one early, are nice and considerate, she will remember, and good chance that the shell will never be raised for you.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]I have had to be enlightened many a time how these girls think almost totally in a business way 100% of the time.[/quote]The PRC's are very pragmatic, though they are not as hard as one might presume in reading your statement. And I wouldn't say they are totally business oriented. Certainly a number could make better money than mine, but repeat business with a nice guy (I hope), in a safe environment, having some fun, a bit of "normality" playing house, does count for something with a number of them. Like you say, a win-win situation.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]However, they are good at playing for sympathy (read 'setting the scene for more money'), 'spinning yarns', being economical with the truth but almost certainly the story is true.[/quote]Now here, MY experience the OPPOSITE. While a few (PRC's) might explain WHY they are here, most don't. As you said, they understand it's bad for business - I want to have a happy time, not be brought down; ruins the facade. Not to say they aren't honest; they're just pragmatic, and if THIS is what is required to take care of the family... But it's FEW and FAR between that I felt that I'm being set up for "more", and I am QUITE familiar with the "papa fall down, break arm, go hospital; buffalo die..." spiels. (Though I will say, it did happen the other night, but it was a straightforward request: she'd asked for 800, we'd agreed on 600, then, back home, she tried for the 800 again, with 'explanations'... Like I posted, my response was 'let's go back to the bar', and that was that. But looking back, that was rare and remembered specifically for its rarity).
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Also I know some of the girls in HoJo's or Blitz have no money, poor English and may only just have arrived - in which case read hairy bush, often no blow job and think sex is just lying there which is how many Chinese ladies do their duty back home[/quote]And why they are so suprised when they experience foreplay... I'm always amazed at the "too much water" statements. Hey, it's your body responding...
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Some of these maybe can't communicate with guys in AP so have to start somewhere. [/quote]If they're lucky, they'll hook up with a 'big sister', a mentor, who will help them learn the ropes, broker the deals, etc., until they hit their stride.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Amazingly there is a hierarchy amongst the girls too whereby 49 girls think they are better than AP girls, AP think they are better than those that go to Blitz etc! [/QUOTE]That's true everywhere. Cyclone girls looked down on anyone else. Likewise, York girls looked up to those who could do business at Cyclone. Their measurement is "money earned".
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Blimey 11B, didn't realise I would have my statement looked at word by word! :)
On reflection maybe could have been less hurry and changed the emphasis slightly.
When I said 'many' in relation to them coming here thinking of getting a real job then rather it was a response to A Sunny's description of the girl who related her story. In my experience 'many' girls have a story they came here on the expectation of getting a real job, or continue to suggest they would like to find a real job. My original post maybe implies 'many' is 'the majority'. Also of course it means if you choose to ask about why they are here rather than they volunteer give their story to you. Most girls I always like to have a chat and get to know a little, take interest, better for me and maybe for them. Not really one for jumping straight in the sack me if I have a choice.
The majority I'd agree are likely know what they are getting into. Especially when you see real sisters, cousins and even a real mother and daughter at it!
I guess when I talk about the business attitude it's my exposure to so many of the girls 'out of hours' and hearing so many stories. Miss X doesn't do business but many friends are ex-business or still at it. Seem to have so many stories of playing clients, particularly less experienced guys than many people in this forum, I'm amazed how they get away with some things. I can see how I have been played though specially when you see connections with girls later.
Don't you think though 11B repeat punters are still dealt with in a 100% business way? Some girls would sooner have repeat business with a safe client then risk someone new for maybe an extra 100 or 200 Dh. Of course the repeat client will call them or likely respond to their (missed) calls making more business for future. They also become friends sometimes who may help them out with additional costs like sick parents! :) Repeat clients also mean no bar entrance charges and if you get about 10 or so regulars in your phone you probably have enough to keep you going most of the time. That's good business planning.
Actually when I was refering to the 100% business attitude originally I also had in mind how they spend and attempt to save money away from their work. Generally prices of things in AD seem to be about 2 or 3 times that in China, consequently girls (in my experience) seem to save every Dh if they can, unless they are on a clothes or handbag shopping spree. Overheads are kept to a minimum so no tips in taxi's and taxi fares preferably extracted from punter. Makes a big difference over a week or a month of working.
Like that description re 'many water'. Yes, so true, really think for the first time ever sex here means in some cases at least they come to enjoy it rather than simply duty. I've been with quite a few very new girls and it can be an interesting or frustrating experience. There are those who won't let you try or get relaxed for DATY as it's considered dirty or it tickles, and those who are simply amazed and find something in sex they have never had before. 'ai yoh, tianna...many water coming!' (or something like that) is something I like to hear!
Oh well, had enough typing...regards
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[QUOTE=Poonhound69]Good News:
Was approached three times
two citizens of the phillipines, and a moroccan.
Bad News:
They were male. [/QUOTE]LOL - Reminds me of several years ago in Saudi Arabia, The younger European guys in my work group were often propositioned in malls - by Saudi males. The invitation was invarably to go back to his place for tea and cakes. One Geordie guy famously replied "Wot no f*&^ing sex" and stormed off in mock disgust.
WR - I did not mean to imply that Hojo was looking up, meerly that the PRC thet traveled up with us in the lift was promising, she took one look inside and went else where. The place was dead, but it was so dark there could have been somone hiding in the corners.
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your comments
Thanks gents for your comments. Now on my way to Dubai - got a nice contact with an Iranian lady whom I will try out later today.
Keep on going / Sunny
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It was someone on the forum that told us about falling asleep in a saudi sauna.
He woke up to see a guy sitting across from hin, staring intently at his thighs while wanking furiously.
The kicker was that his admirer's beard was so lon g, it was almost getting in the way!!!
Its not just younger europeans. Guys in their 50s stupid enough to go jogging in running shorts create an impromptu parade of suitors. Personally, I wouldnt leave a pet there unaccompanied.
[QUOTE=Barcrawler]LOL - Reminds me of several years ago in Saudi Arabia, The younger European guys in my work group were often propositioned in malls - by Saudi males. The invitation was invarably to go back to his place for tea and cakes. One Geordie guy famously replied "Wot no f*&^ing sex" and stormed off in mock disgust.
WR - I did not mean to imply that Hojo was looking up, meerly that the PRC thet traveled up with us in the lift was promising, she took one look inside and went else where. The place was dead, but it was so dark there could have been somone hiding in the corners.[/QUOTE]
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There are few dishes as delicious as a half iranian woman.
Half iranian half paki is my favorite flavor.
[QUOTE=A Sunny]Thanks gents for your comments. Now on my way to Dubai - got a nice contact with an Iranian lady whom I will try out later today.
Keep on going / Sunny[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Blimey 11B, didn't realise I would have my statement looked at word by word! :)[/quote]My MO, coupled with nothing on tv, and too early to venture out :) Besides, I do READ your posts as I find them quite interesting.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]...or continue to suggest they would like to find a real job.[/quote]Now THAT IS a majority. I've not met a girl yet who enjoyed her job. But when they compare how much they can make in a legit job with what they earn (well, the girls we see, not the "group" girls) doing this job, they easily compute how long it will take to earn enough to go back home.
But I've known at least 1 girl who took the legit job, a number who have legit jobs and hook on the side, and some who REALLY wanted the legit job but just couldn't get the paperwork together (the passport "age" did not match the school credentials). And there are a FEW success stories, the a-listers, who make GOOD money, are smart, and realize they'll use the relatively few years they have to make that retirement fund.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Also of course it means if you choose to ask about why they are here rather than they volunteer give their story to you.[/quote]I too like to chat, but am the "volunteer" type; I know why they are here. But certainly treating them as multi-dimensional, rather than just an orifice, is greatly appreciated (by both sides).
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]The majority I'd agree are likely know what they are getting into. Especially when you see real sisters, cousins and even a real mother and daughter at it![/quote]Like I said, I really don't think the PRC's are trafficed so much (again, at least the ones WE meet). It's a friend or family member who pays to bring them in. There certainly are 'bosses' (as in house), and a large support network, but to me, when the girl can chose where to live, where to work, who to go with, how much to charge, to work or not work, then she is a FL, only (as we all do) having to pay rent.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Don't you think though 11B repeat punters are still dealt with in a 100% business way? Some girls would sooner have repeat business with a safe client then risk someone new for maybe an extra 100 or 200 Dh.[/quote]That's MY only hope - safe, old guy (as one girl said, "I like old men. Young man want f*ck all night. Old man, 1 time, 2 times, then sleep; easy work) :)
So yes, it does make business sense. Just like, for me, it makes "business" sense to repeat with a known quantity/quality rather than "risk" someone new. But I also see so much more - she comes over, makes dinner. CLEANS the place. I don't ask her to; in fact, I have to make sure she doesn't disturb my (dis)order. "You sick? I come over with medicine". (I prefer the pharmacy rather than folk, but it's the thought. Certainly it makes good business sense to have her client in 'functioning' order, but I see it as caring for a friend.)
So I've had the range: strictly business, those that 'keep the repeat business' client happy, and some where they really do go out of their way to take care of me.
Maybe it's all in your point of view or what you chose to believe: Sure, it's a business decision to make that weekly "appointment" rather than risk being usurped, but I prefer to think of it that she enjoys a bit of "sane" time, and a bit of 'playing house'.
Easiest way for me to tell: do they make the bed in the morning while I'm in the shower. Just about a 100% direct correlation. :)
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Of course the repeat client will call them or likely respond to their (missed) calls making more business for future. ... Repeat clients also mean no bar entrance charges and if you get about 10 or so regulars in your phone you probably have enough to keep you going most of the time. That's good business planning.[/quote]I agree. But being able to call someone, or have it "understood" that it will be a weekly appearance, also makes sense for me. I don't incur the entrance charges, I'm willing to pay for her taxi so I don't have to venture out into the dxb traffic/parking madness.
But if it was only business, that gets boring very quick. As you once pointed out, there's a big difference between the GF and the GF[b]E[/b], myself preferring the latter. My "business" offer is of repeat business, for exactly the reasons you mention. But it's only made when it's more than "just business".
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]They also become friends sometimes who may help them out with additional costs like sick parents![/quote]That might be one of the reasons for their being here, so maybe I'm just obtuse, because I've never "heard" a request for "more" money. Well, maybe "never"... but certainly few and far between. And I have helped out on occasion, and have forgiven some debts, but that was to make me feel good...
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]... consequently girls (in my experience) seem to save every Dh if they can, unless they are on a clothes or handbag shopping spree.[/quote]Same here. And they view the clothes as a "business" expense.
[QUOTE=Crime Of Passion]Overheads are kept to a minimum so no tips in taxi's and taxi fares preferably extracted from punter. Makes a big difference over a week or a month of working.[/quote]And why I don't mind kicking in transportation costs...
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[QUOTE=A Sunny]Thanks gents for your comments. Now on my way to Dubai - got a nice contact with an Iranian lady whom I will try out later today.
Keep on going / Sunny[/QUOTE]
Would certainly like to see this FR. My experiences with real Middle Eastern ladies can be counted on one hand and very variable.
Let us know...(maybe you have already, I haven't checked the Dubai forum yet!)
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Al Diar mina hotel
Hi Guys,
Not been to AD for sometime arriving 3rd december never stayed at the above hotel usually stay at the Royal Meridien or Sheraton which are both girl friendly unless things have changed, is the Al Diar girl friendly?
I like a massage followed by a knuckle shuffle where are they hiding now? please PM me if you know this will protect the locations.
May the force be with you.
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Abu Dhabi return
Just returned from a memorable trip to Abu Dhabi the place as last time is over run with Chinese most of the girls in the range 4-7 but service seems a lot better than last time I was here. The famous Ali Pally now charges 30AED entrance fee after 18:00hrs no free drink included the girls here are very very
forward and will not leave you alone as regards eye candy very poor I even remember a couple of girls from over 3 years ago. Stayed at the Diar Al Mina hotel which is girl friendly they normally ask for the girls ID before she is allowed to your room.
Also had a short stay at the International hotel which has the Red lion pub, Hotel is run down and they charge 58 AED for a visitor to your room.
Lili Ali Pally 050xxxxxxx quite small not very good english as only 1 month in UAE, gave a fantastic hot water blowjob.
Fifi Blitz 050xxxxxxx looks pretty at night but scary in the morning, a little older than most and several tatoos well hidden, I was fucking her well but not
enough for her liking she said stop I am going to fuck you, she rode me cowgirl like her life depended on it best ride of the visit.
Lili Blitz 050xxxxxxx another quite small lady tight well groomed brought along a mate to help with the ball massaging back stroking etc 500 AED for both.
Axi xi Howard Johnson 17th floor 050xxxxxxx another small Chinese nothing exeptional in bed but very friendly and caring.
Susi Ali Pally 050xxxxxxx nice girl but cigarette smoker GFE type encounter.
Ying Yung Cellar bar Howard Johnson 050xxxxxxxx been here a long time knows the ropes a little older than most but will leave you content.
Eventually found a 25 year old gem who wanted to look after me, really tight **** and not shy in anyway didn't want money off me after 3 dates but made her have it. Seemed genuinely wanting to be a girlfriend I will post a picture of her doing a handstand naked but her mobile number is mine just in case I return soon.
Spent a lot of time in the cellar bar and english type pub which doesn't allow chinese in unless accompanied it does allow a few Ethiopeans in and the odd
Russian block. Blitz has the best phillipino band and always a good selection of ladies after 23:00hrs, 49ers has a heavy rock band which is not my scene
and seems to be full of expat nobs who are too loud.
Captains bar in the Le meridien is a nice drinking pub open air seats no or few working women there take your own they will like it.
As regards prices it is a buyers market 300 aed is what I paid each night apart from the twosome some, girls ask more but the usual request is "it is up to you"
I have the phone numbers of the girls above PM me if you need any of more info.
May the force be with you.
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One day in Abu Dhabi
Hi all,
I am coming to Abu Dhabi soon, but for only one day (I arrive in the morning and leave early-ish in the evening). What are my chances of having a bit of fun while I'm there? From what I've read on the forum, most of the action takes place during the evening. But I'm only there until about 8pm. Surely there must be some fun to be had during the day?
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions.
Bill
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one day in Abu Dhabi
Just get yourself down to Ali Pali opens at 12:00 free until 18:00hrs then 30 aed
numerous take aways available and they will sort you out with a room unless you get a real newbie who is still learning the ropes. If your not sure where it is ask a taxi to take you or ask for Royal Meridien hotel Ali Pali is behind on the sea side. (Real name Al Ain Palace hotel)
hope this helps may the force be with you!
ps there is a chemist opposite Royal Meridien (Howard Johnson side) which sell vitamin V if you need to impress.
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One day in Abu Dhabi
Thank you Luke. You've helped me out a lot.
I wonder if you could help a bit more?
Because I'm only staying a few hours, I haven't booked a room (I was planning to use one of the cheaper airport lounges to freshen up). You mentioned I could be sorted out with a room at Ali Pali but the rates on their website say Dhs 600 per night (£81). Is it possible for me to get some company and a room for, say 2 or 3 hours? Just to have a bit of fun and a shower? What sort of price should I be looking for?
Sorry if I'm being very naive but this is the first time in Abu Dhabi and the first time I've had a short stopover.
Thanks again,
Bill
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Mongering opportunities
Hi,
I am moving to Al Ain for work this week and I was wandering if there is any WG Bars in the town/city as I have as much info compared to Abu Dhabi or Dubai can anyone please advise?
Regards,
Emperor12
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Went to La Galouises (Le Meridian hotel complex) on a recent Saturday night around 0100. The place closes at 0230 unfortunately. 75dhs entrance fee, one drink provided. Quite a nice selection of CIS and asian girls. CIS seemed very distant but maybe it was just me. Ended up going with a nice PRC for 300dhs short time. Great service, BBBJ, and a good long massage afterwards. There were quite a few beauties walking around and it's definitely worth a return trip.