It seems that as of today the filters have been expanded to include DT, GFE and others. No filter for English ability though. Also a lot of new girls have shown up.
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It seems that as of today the filters have been expanded to include DT, GFE and others. No filter for English ability though. Also a lot of new girls have shown up.
[QUOTE=Penguin69;2128233]It seems that as of today the filters have been expanded to include DT, GFE and others. No filter for English ability though. Also a lot of new girls have shown up.[/QUOTE]I don't see a definition of terms on the Smooci site but they must have a rather high standard concept of what a "GFE" means. Doing a quick check for the latest time I could select right now, 1:30 PM, I saw that when I filtered out for CIM, the number of girls with that listed on their profile went from 47 to 24, pretty much the usual ratio for that particular service. Not surprisingly, for DT the number went from 47 to 11. LOL.
But it was interesting that when I filtered for GFE the number went from 47 to 24, same as for CIM. I would think a much higher percentage of girls would be happy to add that to their offered service list if they thought it primarily meant being nice, friendly or affectionate with the customer, all rather expected and fairly vague, highly subjective notions anyway. Kind of a free ride for almost every girl to include it on her list of offered services, so why not, right? Maybe many of the girls aren't sure what it means. Same as many customers, imo. Or they think it means going out to dinner and a movie beforehand. Perhaps some girls think it has something to do with offering BBFS as an option. Honestly, it is impossible for anyone to really know what it means on a site like that if there is no definition provided.
Don't know what Smooci thinks GFE means, don't know what the girls think it means and don't know what the girls think the customers think it means. But roughly 50% of the girls available this afternoon apparently don't want to have anything to do with it. lol.
Yeah, I would say a Definition of Terms is very much in order on those Escort sites and/or Smooci. I just filtered out for DATY and the number of available girls willing to accept that at 3PM today went from 54 to 0 (zero). Lolol.
Ok, it is probably because that "service" option is so new on Smooci it hasn't been selected by any girls just yet or something. But still. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2128281]Yeah, I would say a Definition of Terms is very much in order on those Escort sites and/or Smooci. I just filtered out for DATY and the number of available girls willing to accept that at 3PM today went from 54 to 0 (zero). Lolol.
Ok, it is probably because that "service" option is so new on Smooci it hasn't been selected by any girls just yet or something. But still. LOL.[/QUOTE]We have only just added the extra services. The companions / agencies have been informed but they are only just starting to update their accounts. It make take a few days to a week for these services to start to show effectively.
We have also created rollover text on all the service abbreviation to help explain them better.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2127797]Guess we don't have to worry about this anymore since the ratings have been removed on all the girls. Hope its a temporary thing but I doubt it. Its a moneymaking business, I completely understand.[/QUOTE]There was a small glitch with our last update that hid the star ratings from the results page (ratings were still visibile on the profile pages). This is being fixed.
[QUOTE=Penguin69;2128233]It seems that as of today the filters have been expanded to include DT, GFE and others. No filter for English ability though. Also a lot of new girls have shown up.[/QUOTE]We are starting to collect data on language levels of the companions, including English. We will add this to the profiles at a later date once we have enough data.
You may start to notice some independents on the site. Our companion app for freelancers is now in BETA phase and we have added a small group of independents working on the new app on Smooci Bangkok. We will slowly introduce a few more independents in Bangkok, and in the coming weeks we hope to be able to launch in Singapore and allow all independents to join in SG. If that goes smoothly it will pave the way for us to start expanding much further through 2018.
[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2128333]We have also created rollover text on all the service abbreviation to help explain them better.[/QUOTE]Yes, that does help anyone who didn't already know that GFE stands for Girlfriend Experience, that PSE stands for Pornstar Experience, that DATY stands for Dine at the Y and so on. But are there any plans to provide a Definition of Terms to better explain what the girl means when she says she provides, for instance, a GFE/Girlfriend Experience or a PSE/Pornstar Experience?
There is such a dramatic drop in the number and percentage of girls who are willing to say they provide a "GFE" on their profile, around 50% and sometimes more, I am guessing the drop off girls don't think it merely means presenting a nice smile when the hotel door opens, projecting a pleasant, friendly demeanor or that it has much to do with other services one might reasonably presume are GFE-related, such as DFK and BBBJ, because many girls who claim to provide those services don't also claim to provide a GFE.
Good to see at least one girl out of the 41 available at 3PM today is now willing to allow DATY with her customers. Again, I realize this is a new item added to the Smooci site. But isn't it also possible that a lot of girls don't really know what DATY means there or, for that matter, on their original escort sites even if it is spelled out as Dine at the Y with that rollover text feature..?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2128281]Yeah, I would say a Definition of Terms is very much in order on those Escort sites and/or Smooci.[/QUOTE]
It's definitely useful, but even better would be an option for customers who review girls to check boxes for what the girl actually did (in addition to the girl checking boxes for what she's willing to do).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2129092]It's definitely useful, but even better would be an option for customers who review girls to check boxes for what the girl actually did (in addition to the girl checking boxes for what she's willing to do).[/QUOTE]I like your thinking with that idea.
Of course, even that would require customers to be mostly in agreement and on the same page about what a BBBJ is (as the term is generally used on these sites I consider it to be mere oral foreplay, not really a "blowjob", yet it is often discussed on these sites as a blowjob until you question it further and find out it was merely oral foreplay after all), that CIM is when the customer finishes fully IN HER MOUTH (not mostly outside her mouth while, at best, her hand takes over, which I consider a "handjob" with some oral foreplay thrown in), that DFK does not mean she just poked her tongue out through her nearly clenched teeth for a nanosecond to touch yours and so on. Massage? Good lord, I can only imagine what I might have thought was an actual "massage" had I been deprived of even so much as a mild, one-hand back rub during years of a hopeless marriage back in the USA. LOL.
But most of time checking either "Yes, she did" or "No, she didn't even after I requested it" would cover it enough to get the point across; either she did or she didn't do the thing stated on her profile after being asked or blatantly encouraged to do it.
I think the only two highly subjective, anything-YOU-hope-it-means while in reality it is just certain things-SHE-thinks-it-means services listed on any of these escort check lists are GFE and PSE, with GFE being the far more subjective of the two to the point of being, well, meaningless in the absence of a clear definition of what it means to the girl claiming she provides it.
At least with PSE one could argue that a Pornstar Experience is whatever sexual act you can easily find clips of featured porn actresses performing on porn sites like YouPorn and Tube Galore. You show the girl the clip and then sit back and wait for her to deliver. Lololol. Which, if you're letting me do the YouPorn clip search, means virtually NO Thai P4P girl has provided a true Pornstar Experience in known history. But that won't stop a lot of girls from checking that PSE box all the same because, like GFE, it ultimately only means whatever the girl wants it to mean.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2128976]Yes, that does help anyone who didn't already know that GFE stands for Girlfriend Experience, that PSE stands for Pornstar Experience, that DATY stands for Dine at the Y and so on. But are there any plans to provide a Definition of Terms to better explain what the girl means when she says she provides, for instance, a GFE/Girlfriend Experience or a PSE/Pornstar Experience?[/QUOTE]We have been debating whether to use PSE and GFE, and are still open to removing them. As you have mentioned, they are somewhat subjective terms.
Traditionally PSE refers to a more wild and passionate experience, while GFE refers to a more romantic and intimate experience.
Perhaps the members her can let us know whether having these service tags are useful, or whether people feel they are a bit outdated and too subjective.
We are also open to any other service tags you feel would be useful to add.
[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2129136]We have been debating whether to use PSE and GFE, and are still open to removing them. As you have mentioned, they are somewhat subjective terms.
Traditionally PSE refers to a more wild and passionate experience, while GFE refers to a more romantic and intimate experience.
Perhaps the members her can let us know whether having these service tags are useful, or whether people feel they are a bit outdated and too subjective.
We are also open to any other service tags you feel would be useful to add.[/QUOTE]Since they are really the only two highly subjective terms that I have seen on these kinds of lists, why not ask each girl who wants those terms put on her profile to add a few words or comments about what she means by it. Not an essay about herself. Just a few words about what she means by claiming that term as a service she offers. If the girl comes up with something that better informs the customer about what he can expect, great, put the term or terms in her profile along with those words or comments attributed to her. We might be very pleasantly surprised by what some of those girls tell us about their intentions to deliver on those experiences.
But if she can't come up with anything to say about it, about what she means by claiming it, then don't put the term or terms on her profile because then she is only claiming it to add more supposed services she either has no intention of delivering anyway or has no idea what it means in the first place. I imagine a lot of girls just check the boxes on those terms now because they are the free ride I mentioned before. They benefit by whatever it means in the heads of the customer while knowing full well it is only going to be up to them, the girl, what it means at crunch time. But if you ask them to tell us what they mean by it, that ought to weed out many of the posers on those terms. For a while, at least.
Who knows, maybe none of the girls will check those boxes if they can't come up with a darn thing to say they mean by it. lol. And that serves the customer better than empty promises anyway.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2129152]Since they are really the only two highly subjective terms that I have seen on these kinds of lists, why not ask each girl who wants those terms put on her profile to add a few words or comments about what she means by it. ....[/QUOTE]Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.
I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.
The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.
[QUOTE=Jaaxie;2129654]Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.
I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.
The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.[/QUOTE]I am all for customer reported after-the-fact check boxes for each of the services claimed on their profiles, essentially what Crocodilexp has suggested; Did she provide the CIM you requested? Did she provide the DFK you requested? And so on. Why confine it to just those two services, GFE and PSE?
In fact, that is what I had hoped the Star Ratings would be more specifically all about rather than the predictably vague "Overall Experience" bit. But that was an expressed hope for which there was mighty push-back on all sides and so it never happened. Not sure how an after-the-fact check box for just those two highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading services, GFE and PSE, would make them less highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading for the next guy considering booking her though.
I agree that a lot of what the girl might say if my concept is employed would be BS. But, again, that is where penalizing or rewarding them via the Star Rating system is theoretically supposed to come in, right? If the girl says nothing more than, "I am a sweet, affectionate girl who likes to smile" under her claim to provide a GFE, then that ought to help her earn a big 5 Star Rating from the guys who think that is primarily what a GFE is all about. On the other hand, if she says, "I do everything. Up to you," under her claim to provide a PSE, the kind of reply most of us have heard a million times from P4P girls in every conceivable venue trying to entice us to agree to book her and close the deal, then she'd better really mean what she says or risk getting the lowest Star Rating on her profile, right?
The way it is generally done and done on Smooci right now allows her to check the GFE and PSE box and not be held accountable for anything as long as those terms are defined solely by whatever unexpressed thing she thinks they mean. Having a customer tell me she did it based on what HE thinks it means really tells me nothing and still doesn't hold her accountable for the claim.
If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.
Of course, we need to at least agree that an "I do everything. Up to you" claim must be confined to acts of a sexual nature. I mean, I wouldn't give her a 1 Star Rating because I asked her to paint my apartment and rotate the tires on my mini-van but, darn it, she refused.
I agree with you that we can do much to foster either a GFE or a PSE, whatever each one means to us individually, after the girl arrives. In fact, I would argue that those terms are so subjective and vague that, unless the girl behaves entirely like a mechanical robot throughout the session, it WILL be perceived as either more "romantic and intimate" or "wild and passionate" anyway. But that doesn't really address the dynamic where an escort customer would truly like to know what in the world she is claiming here while a major trade-off for not meeting or seeing the girl in the flesh first before booking is to know more specifically, in writing, what the girl will actually do for him during the session.
After all, some of us might book a girl who does not list CIM on her profile but by the end of our first session with her she has done that very thing and even more than that for us merely because we fostered the environment to make it happen. But that isn't what this kind of arrangement ought to rely on imo.
[QUOTE=Jaaxie;2129654]Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.
I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.
The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.[/QUOTE]PSE should include A+, BBBJ, CIM multi pops and multi positions delivered with a serious amount of sexual energy. It usually takes some time in the business before a provider reaches this level of expertise consequently is usually found in older working girls. It requires no real connection between the participants just hardcore nonstop physical action.
GFE is of an entirely different nature. Includes uninhibited cuddling and kissing but more importantly there has to have be a sense of affection. It is more an attitude than a particular type of service and works best when both parties are in tune with each other. In my experience this comes from girls who are naturally affectionate and who are intent on making their customers happy and are happy when they are happy. It will be a more relaxed routine with lots of touching and body to body contact.
Conversely to the PSE where the best providers are older in my experience it is with the younger newer girls that you will find the best GFE. Unfortunately they are usually quickly scooped up as girlfriends or mia noi's usually by Koreans or Japanese.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2129745]If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.[/QUOTE]You raise interesting points. The girl "yes" directly to the customer (to a question like "do you do anal? Is worth way more than general statements like "all girls in the shop do A+" or "I do everything", and these are worth more than checking some box when signing up for a website.
The only reliable way to know what girls do and what they don't is to ask customers. There should be 3 choices (a) yes; (b) no, she refused; (c) no, I did not ask for it.
I wouldn't even bother with vague terms like GFE and PSE, but simple acts like BBBJ / CBJ, CIM, DATY, DFK, A+, BBFS / CFS.