Mollenkotten 243 42279 WUPPERTAL
Phone : 0202-2548289, 0178-7291147
Open : Mon-Sat 10am-3am, Sun 12am-3am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-cocoon.de:
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 25€/20min, 50€/40min, 75€/60min, BBBJ +10€
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Mollenkotten 243 42279 WUPPERTAL
Phone : 0202-2548289, 0178-7291147
Open : Mon-Sat 10am-3am, Sun 12am-3am
Homepage : :http ://www.fkk-cocoon.de:
Entrance : 50€
Prices : 25€/20min, 50€/40min, 75€/60min, BBBJ +10€
which I posted right before this dedicated thread was created is at [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=551263&postcount=1379[/url]
Njoy
... where is Jackyo's Cocoon report?
The answer is: we did not go.
We had plans of going but after describing them to the folks we met up with at FKK Zeus in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst (one of whom was the Flying Dutchman who met at Heavensgate last year), the universal consensus was that this club has gone through some changes and was not worthy of a visit right now.
The Hotel nebenan used to be part of the club and the girls would take the guys across this covered walkway to it to use the rooms there. The girls also probably slept over at the hotel.
The hotel has a new owner and the girls therefore don't have access to those rooms.
The club, therefore, only has six rooms at its disposition. There are alcoves off the bar area which can be separated by dividers but that is it.
As its not a club where much activity takes place in the open, there are (supposedly) now lines to take a room. This discourages clients from coming to visit as well as girls from working there.
Sigh... This club would have been one of those clubs to visit to find the talented amateurs who make my visits memorable.
And they did away with the free beer a few months ago, which made me lose a little interest there.
[QUOTE=Wan King]And they did away with the free beer a few months ago, which made me lose a little interest there.[/QUOTE]
Really? I was there about 2 months ago and drank to my heart's delight...
Did not have a chance to visit this club on my last trip so thought I'd read about its current Zustand on the RF.
This was written by Adonis just the other day.
[quote=Adonis]Auch ich mal im Cocoon
Nachdem ich hier einige Berichte gelesen habe zum Wuppertaler FKK-Club Cocoon wollte ich mich auch selbst mal vor Ort kundig machen.
Der Club liegt an der Abfahrt Wuppertal-Oberbarmen der A46 und ist wirklich leicht zu finden und wirbt auch außen offen mit Namen und Angebot.
Ich hatte hier einige Horrorstorys in Bezug Unsauberkeit gelesen, kann das aber wirklich nicht nachvollziehen. Die Einrichtung mag nicht mehr ganz modern sein, von Unsauberkeit war aber nichts zu sehen.
Nahc Entrichtung des 35 € Eintritts und ausziehen, kam ich dann hoch in den ziemlich großen Kontaktraum, in dem (es war gegen 12 Uhr mittags) 5 Mädchen nackt bis auf ihre Sandalen saßen. Außer mir waren noch zwei andere Dreibeiner da, die aber für sich saßen.
Ich habe dann relativ schnell Mandy, lange braune Haare, deutsch und ziemlich groß angesprochen. Nach eigenen Angaben 20 Jahre. Ich stehe nicht so auf die ganz schnelle Nummer, daher trifft mich die Preiskalkulation des Cocoon etwas ungünstig, ich bin im 40minuten-Bereich also für 2x25. Für (nur) 10 € extra gab es Französisch mit Aufnahme, da habe ich dann nicht nein gesagt.
Die Verrichtung war tadellos, Mandy hatte ein Lippenpiercing, das deutlich größer war als alles andere, was ich bisher an Mädchenmündern habe stecken gesehen. Das tat dem Frazösich gerade am Ende aber keinen Abbruch, ganz im Gegenteil.
Ich ging also wirklich zufrieden meiner Wege. Ich halte das Cocoon nun für eine brauchbare Alternative auf der Club-Landkarte. Man sollte sich auch durch wie ich finde übertrieben kritische Berichte hier im Forum nicht abschrecken lassen. Manche Schreiber sind doch sehr GT bzw. PHG orientiert und scheinen nicht zugestehen zu wollen, dass auch woanders ordentlich Spaß gehabt werden kann.
Gruß Adonis[/quote]
Fazit: He had read posts about uncleanliness and wanted to see for himself. The facilities aren't very modern but everything was in Ordnung. He got there at about noon, paid his 35 Euro entry and found five naked women. There were two other guests. He went with Mandy, 20, long brown hair, German. He likes to take his time so he reckoned on forty minutes at 25 Euros times 2 sessions. For 10 Euros more a BJ with Aufnahme was offered. Everything went well though she had a large lip piercing. He went home totally content. He considers this club a good addition to the club landscape. One shouldn't take the overly critical reports in the forum seriously. Most writers are oriented towards GT or PHG and don't want to admit that one can have fun elsewhere.
This club is my favorite club in Germany by far, it is smaller than the Frankfurt area clubs but the service is far superior to larger establishments. My favorite providers at this place are Mandy, a German brunette with a school girl look, Cindy, a dark haired Romanian, and Lara, a Turkish brunette(she looked Italian) that recently stopped working. Unlike GT and PHG this is a genuine FKK club and the women are nude.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]This club is my favorite club in Germany by far, it is smaller than the Frankfurt area clubs but the service is far superior to larger establishments. My favorite providers at this place are Mandy, a German brunette with a school girl look, Cindy, a dark haired Romanian, and Lara, a Turkish brunette(she looked Italian) that recently stopped working. Unlike GT and PHG this is a genuine FKK club and the women are nude.[/QUOTE]
CBGB:
Used to be one of my faves too, but last two trips were quite disappointing. Boy-girl ratio was quite poor and the quality of female was only 5-7.
Pricing and atmosphere, as well as layout are all still good.
Perhaps my problem the last two times is that I was alone and most other guys were in groups of 3-4 and having more fun than me, as well as hogging the women (and often wasting their time) with chit chat and banter.
BTW, the place is getting lukewarm reviews on the German forums as well as of late, with many of their best girls leaving for other venues.
My faves were not present on my last 2 visits.
It could be that this club isn't drawing in as many women to work there because the rooms in the hotel next door have closed and/or are no longer available for use.
Limiting the number of rooms available discourages the women from coming, which has an effect on the number of customers who visit, whose reduced presences reduces the number of women who want to work there, usw.
This is your typical [i]Teufelskreis[/i].
If they were more accepting of sex out in the open then there wouldn't be a room limitation.
This club is one of those paradoxes: totally naked (but prudish) women who won't have public sex.
There is, indeed, a lot of sitting around and talking at this club.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]It could be that this club isn't drawing in as many women to work there because the rooms in the hotel next door have closed and/or are no longer available for use.
Limiting the number of rooms available discourages the women from coming, which has an effect on the number of customers who visit, whose reduced presences reduces the number of women who want to work there, usw.
This is your typical [i]Teufelskreis[/i].
If they were more accepting of sex out in the open then there wouldn't be a room limitation.
This club is one of those paradoxes: totally naked (but prudish) women who won't have public sex.
There is, indeed, a lot of sitting around and talking at this club.[/QUOTE]
Could be a hotel problem... 2 of my previous faves, a Turkish girl with a very thin figure and great perky B-cups and a Moroccan girl with a Shakira ass both lived in the "motel next door"... haven't seen either of them in a while.
Look like I need to find a new "house" club to roost in...
I visited Cocoon once in 2006 and didn't think it something special. Why not give at a 2nd chance in 2007. You probably know where this is heading, so I'll start with the positives. Happy hour entrance all day and free beer to be had (only you have to ask for it)! €25 per 20 minutes in private room including CBJ, but you pay extra for BBBJ.
You may think €25 is cheap for one pop, but you can only fuck one position if you choose 20 min. I actually asked in reception when leaving if this is a house rule. The answer: For 20 minutes you cannot expect a wedding night. OK I buy that [i]as a fact[/i], but what a tone and attitude towards a paying customer!
The place is as dark and shady as ever. There were about 13 girls present. Only, half of them were more suited for a parade of the walruses. At least not suitable for what I wanted in terms of slenderness.
The term FKK is questionable as many girls wrap themselves in a towel whenever they rise from the sofa. What some people may find positive is that some girls talk to clients afterwards too. In other words if a girl is good, she might be cock-blocked for a long time, meaning the available girls will be the least popular ones.
Three girls were good looking, but were they friendly? I admit, I was dealt a bad hand, and to that I played it miserably. While waiting for a long time for a "chosen girl" to become available, I eventually lost it and thought I'll take almost any chick just to avoid leaving without sex. [b]Daniela[/b], Polish, was reasonable good looking, and it seemed a former customer of hers was not completely unsatisfied. For me it was pure horror. A bad RLD experience at its worst. She wouldn't talk or anything, so I went for the 20 min option without extras to get it over with as quick as possible. I had doubts I would get the machinery up, and then finish. But I managed...
I wonder, is there really ANYTHING that separates Cocoon from RLD, except geographically? I think not! No eye candy, but very real possibility to have mechanical and uninspired sex like a bad PT-fuck. If you are a regular customer or find the right girl you will fare better - but that goes for any RLD.
Cocoon is cheap, but far, far from a bargain.
[QUOTE=Everhard]I visited Cocoon once in 2006 and didn't think it something special. Why not give at a 2nd chance in 2007. You probably know where this is heading, so I'll start with the positives. Happy hour entrance all day and free beer to be had (only you have to ask for it)! €25 per 20 minutes in private room including CBJ, but you pay extra for BBBJ.
You may think €25 is cheap for one pop, but you can only fuck one position if you choose 20 min. I actually asked in reception when leaving if this is a house rule. The answer: For 20 minutes you cannot expect a wedding night. OK I buy that [i]as a fact[/i], but what a tone and attitude towards a paying customer!
The place is as dark and shady as ever. There were about 13 girls present. Only, half of them were more suited for a parade of the walruses. At least not suitable for what I wanted in terms of slenderness.
The term FKK is questionable as many girls wrap themselves in a towel whenever they rise from the sofa. What some people may find positive is that some girls talk to clients afterwards too. In other words if a girl is good, she might be cock-blocked for a long time, meaning the available girls will be the least popular ones.
Three girls were good looking, but were they friendly? I admit, I was dealt a bad hand, and to that I played it miserably. While waiting for a long time for a "chosen girl" to become available, I eventually lost it and thought I'll take almost any chick just to avoid leaving without sex. [b]Daniela[/b], Polish, was reasonable good looking, and it seemed a former customer of hers was not completely unsatisfied. For me it was pure horror. A bad RLD experience at its worst. She wouldn't talk or anything, so I went for the 20 min option without extras to get it over with as quick as possible. I had doubts I would get the machinery up, and then finish. But I managed...
I wonder, is there really ANYTHING that separates Cocoon from RLD, except geographically? I think not! No eye candy, but very real possibility to have mechanical and uninspired sex like a bad PT-fuck. If you are a regular customer or find the right girl you will fare better - but that goes for any RLD.
Cocoon is cheap, but far, far from a bargain.[/QUOTE]
.. experience here.
I've had good luck at this club but its because I make it a point to spend time just talking on the couch first before committing.
I also avoid the bum's rush here by making it very clear to her from the beginning that I would prefer to do a double session so she isn't in a rush and doesn't think I'm being cheap.
Having said this, I also had the worst ever experience at an FKK club when I went with someone who I just had to meet but spent no time talking to before doing the dirty deed.
The owner does have a preference for women with curves. That is for sure. There aren't many skinny chicks here.. which is for the better as far as I am concerned as I don't like poking chicks with ribs showing, bony backs and asses aren't my thing. My best experiences are with women with some meat on their bones and enough padding that it feels like I'm floating on a cloud.
.. and its not been for the better.
I did confirm that the hotel right beside has been sold and with that sale, access to those rooms is now gone.
They are down to five rooms in the main building and a couple of Kuschelecken. They did say that during parties they would simply have sessions out in the open but I didn't see any when I was there.
I arrived at about 1 PM and stayed until the early evening.
With fewer rooms at their disposal there are also fewer women who work here than I've seen before. Its that [i]Teufelskreis[/i] all over again: few women, so customers want to come but few women want to work there because there are few customers, and over and over again.
There was little of everything: one Thai chick, one black chick, several dark haired Russians, and then the traditional Polish blondes versus the German blondes.
Lots of guys came and went but there wasn't much business being transacted, for some reason. In contrast to the athmosphere in most clubs, there isn't much interaction between customers here.
The girls talk amongst themselves but only with members of their cliques.
Everything stayed the same in terms of physical arrangements. The sauna is nice and hot and they have one of the few indoor pools still being used at an FKK club in the Ruhrgebiet.
I was there on a Saturday and the food was served promptly at 5 PM. It was good and hot and included the typical Sauerbraten, Rotkohl and Knodel as well as other items which appeared later in the day. They had two types of mousse which were both very good.
Oh yes, the women... I had two sessions.
One with Mandy, 21, dark haired, tall, Ruhrgebiet. She was friendly enough during our conversation. She was pursuing an Ausbildung and only worked during weekends so she met my criteria for being a non-pro. She didn't allow certain things though. She covered her pussy with her hand so I wouldn't go down on her, z. B. I had a good time with her nonetheless. Yes, this is the same Mandy discussed below with a lip piercing.
My second session was with Maja, blonde, full figured, from Poland. I shouldn't have done this chick. I did sit with her for a bit and talk to her but she asked me quite quickly if we were going to a room. I said, I just wanted to talk first. She kind of implied that unless we were going to a room, she needed to keep the space on the couch beside her free. I returned after a bit and we retired into a Kuscheleck. It is then that it became clear to me that she had a routine and damn if she was going to break from the routine. She was difficult to manuever, wanted to do certain things her way.
I prefer women who are more spontan and just go with the flow. If I want do some heavy petting, why shouldn't that be allowed?
Afterwards she chose to ignore me when I passed her in the hallway or found her sitting on a couch.
[i]Naja. Was kann man machen?[/i] I will not repeat with her.
Would I return? Yes. I always liked this club but my only motivation for returning would be in finding more of the talented amateurs I've met here before.
The one thing which has definitely changed here is the [i]Abrechnung[/i]. Before you settled your bill just as you left. Nowadays, you have your session, she follows you to your locker and you settle with her right there.
A little more straightforward and there is no more risk of your having a billing dispute with her as you are ready to leave.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]
The one thing which has definitely changed here is the [i]Abrechnung[/i]. Before you settled your bill just as you left. Nowadays, you have your session, she follows you to your locker and you settle with her right there.
A little more straightforward and there is no more risk of your having a billing dispute with her as you are ready to leave.[/QUOTE]
Are they still doing 20 minute bookings with extra for bbbj and are the rates the same?
[QUOTE=Breadman]Are they still doing 20 minute bookings with extra for bbbj and are the rates the same?[/QUOTE]
25 Euros for twenty minutes with a condom, 35 Euros for twenty minutes without a condom.
50 Euros for forty minutes with a condom, 60 Euros for forty minutes without a condom.
I am not a BJ fan and so the BBBJ option is all the same to me.
If what I heard about BBBJs being banned in Bayern becomes a trend, the worst case is that BBBJs become banned everywhere.