Did you even bother to read THIS study, GE? The criteria were defined. Geez, no wonder the democrats lost the election and are floundering as a party.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011486] party affiliation should not have been a factor at all.
GE.[/QUOTE].
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Did you even bother to read THIS study, GE? The criteria were defined. Geez, no wonder the democrats lost the election and are floundering as a party.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011486] party affiliation should not have been a factor at all.
GE.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=DCups;2011510]Did you even bother to read THIS study, GE? The criteria were defined. Geez, no wonder the democrats lost the election and are floundering as a party.
.[/QUOTE]So, here's a presentation of data prepared by the WEF; not exactly a group of rabid liberals frothing at the mouth to attack Trump. Pretty sure the two things all of the other countries have in common is universal, single payer healthcare and oh year, spending far less of a percentage of GDP on healthcare than the US. But it's all good, since "we're number one," and facts are irrelevant: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/this-one-chart-shows-how-far-behind-the-us-lags-in-healthcare?utm_content=buffer112e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
GE.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011594]So, here's a presentation of data prepared by the WEF; not exactly a group of rabid liberals frothing at the mouth to attack Trump. Pretty sure the two things all of the other countries have in common is universal, single payer healthcare and oh year, spending far less of a percentage of GDP on healthcare than the US. But it's all good, since "we're number one," and facts are irrelevant: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/this-one-chart-shows-how-far-behind-the-us-lags-in-healthcare?utm_content=buffer112e3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
GE.[/QUOTE]Just about every other developed nation has single payer. Health care is seen as a public service in those nations, as well it should be. The US is the outlier. Sad really. And the people who would benefit most continue to vote against their own self-interest.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2011612]Just about every other developed nation has single payer. Health care is seen as a public service in those nations, as well it should be. The US is the outlier. Sad really. And the people who would benefit most continue to vote against their own self-interest.[/QUOTE]Well, Mencken was right when he said, to paraphrase him: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American voter. " The great genius of the current breed of republicans is their ability to sell up as down, left as right, and exploitation of almost everyone as the greatest good for the greatest number. And there's a substantial minority stupid enough to believe them. I can't explain it, and I haven't seen any pundits who have been able to address the reasons for the momentum of nativist stupidity and blissful ignorance that characterizes much of America. I can't even hope for republicans actually growing a set an impeaching this idiot since his successor is a guy who claims to get his advice from Jesus and who believes climate change is wishful thinking and evolution just a theory. He's as dumb and dangerous as Trump but without the malevolence.
GE.
Just another misguided, mis-informed spin from another liberal fart face.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011634]Well, Mencken was right when he said, to paraphrase him: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American voter. " The great genius of the current breed of republicans is their ability to sell up as down, left as right, and exploitation of almost everyone as the greatest good for the greatest number. And there's a substantial minority stupid enough to believe them. I can't explain it, and I haven't seen any pundits who have been able to address the reasons for the momentum of nativist stupidity and blissful ignorance that characterizes much of America. I can't even hope for republicans actually growing a set an impeaching this idiot since his successor is a guy who claims to get his advice from Jesus and who believes climate change is wishful thinking and evolution just a theory. He's as dumb and dangerous as Trump but without the malevolence.
GE.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2011634]Well, Mencken was right when he said, to paraphrase him: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American voter. " The great genius of the current breed of republicans is their ability to sell up as down, left as right, and exploitation of almost everyone as the greatest good for the greatest number. And there's a substantial minority stupid enough to believe them. I can't explain it, and I haven't seen any pundits who have been able to address the reasons for the momentum of nativist stupidity and blissful ignorance that characterizes much of America. I can't even hope for republicans actually growing a set an impeaching this idiot since his successor is a guy who claims to get his advice from Jesus and who believes climate change is wishful thinking and evolution just a theory. He's as dumb and dangerous as Trump but without the malevolence.
GE.[/QUOTE]Mencken was spot on. Also the anti-intellectual movement in the US is astounding. The Repubs play hardball; you also know where they stand on every issues. We progressives will not win out until we stop playing identity politics, get away from the PC crap, and start focusing solely on issues like health care, pension, gun violence, police brutality, etc.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2011685]We progressives will not win out until we stop playing identity politics, get away from the PC crap, and start focusing solely on issues like health care, pension, gun violence, police brutality, etc.[/QUOTE]I don't get caught up in politics. I just want them to legalize weed.
Pension is a thing of the past. It worked when people lived 5 years past their retirement date, but these days people are living 30 and 40 years past that. What company can afford that?
Health care. I am a Navy veteran and use those benefits to my advantage.
Gun violence is part of the culture. I have had a license to carry a gun since my 21st birthday almost 24 years ago. Thankfully I have never had the need to even point my weapon at anyone. Everything should not be for everybody, because some people can not handle some things.
Police brutality. I was just watching a couple of videos this morning where cops were trying to place women under arrest but they were refusing. I think one woman was even biting the cop and when he used forced against her everyone in the crowd wanted to holler brutality. Not saying it does not exist. Sure it does, but not as much as we are led to believe.
As a Black American male I have been arrested 3 times and never experienced anything but courteousness. My brother and cousins are police officers and back in the day when my credit was bad I had applied at several agencies as well.
The last ticket I got (8 years ago maybe), I was going a little over 100 through South Carolina and the White trooper pulled me over and gave me a citation for I think 85 in a 70 so that he would not have to arrest me. Even when I mailed the fine by money order, they sent me a check back refunding it. Maybe I just have better luck than everyone else.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2011612]...And the people who would benefit most continue to vote against their own self-interest.[/QUOTE]Indeed, these folks are fooled every time into voting against their own self-interest. I guess you can fool some of the people all the time.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2011904]Indeed, these folks are fooled every time into voting against their own self-interest. I guess you can fool some of the people all the time.[/QUOTE]The folks are prevented by the 2-party duopoly from voting in their self-interest. Remember: if voting changed anything, they wouldn't let you do it.
Speaking as an outsider, all you Yanks, both Republicans and Democrats, are being played for fools when you are picking up the defence burden for Europe, Japan, and S. Korea.
Europe's population is about 200 m more than the US, its economy is larger, yet it gets the nice social welfare goodies whilst the US spends more than 4% of GDP on defence. Seems to me that Europe should not only be able to protect itself, it should shoulder a comparable amount of the burden around the world.
If you believe your partners are paying you to host your forces you need to look up the definition of host. This means that locals are hired to work on the bases providing infrastructure support and the host government picks up some of the cost. In S. Korea the union so strong that as long as local employee remains employed the US government picks up the education cost of their children. Educating children is nice, isn't it? These are adult children going to university, then continuing on for advanced degrees, paid for by the US taxper. The abuse continues. On US bases and diplomatic compounds are lovely commissaries supported by the US tax payer; it picks up the shipping cost of these items so the service members pay US prices. Certainly this is fair. However, somehow European diplomats get access, so the US taxpayer supports feeding the diplomatic community too. And of course there is all the black marketing, which included the Koreans building a tunnel under the base to the liquor store so alcohol could be smuggled out. Further, to maximise its takings, the Korean government restricts the building of housing on the bases, which forces many US service members and the civilians to live "on the economy". The US taxpayer pays the rent. It's $3000+ per month in Seoul.
Thanks.
Here's Obama's legacy of failure, by the numbers (h / t RNC):
$19.9 Trillion: The Staggering Mountain Of Debt Obama Will Leave Behind On January 20,2017. ("Daily History Of The Debt," USA Department Of Treasury, Accessed 12/23/16).
$9. 2 Trillion: The Increase In The National Debt Since Obama Took Office. ("Daily History Of The Debt," USA Department Of Treasury, Accessed 12/23/16).
$1 Trillion: Tax Increases In ObamaCare Over A Decade. ("ObamaCare: Trillion Dollar Tax Hike That Hurts Small Businesses," USA House Of Representatives Committee On Ways And Means, 3/31/16).
$870.3 Billion: Estimated Economic Cost Of All The New Federal Government Regulations Finalized Since Obama Took Office. ("Regulation Rodeo," American Action Forum, Accessed 12/27/16).
$750 Billion: The USA 's Global Trade Deficit Last Year Under Obama. (USA Census Bureau, Accessed 12/27/16).
$690 Billion: Increase In Student Debt Since Obama Took Office. ("Student Loans Owned And Securitized, Outstanding," Federal Reserve Bank Of St. Louis, Accessed 12/27/16).
$377 Billion: ObamaCare's Tax Hikes That Effect The Middle Class. (Glenn Kessler, "Does 'Obamacare' Have $1 Trillion In Tax Hikes, Aimed At The Middle Class," The Washington Post, 3/12/13).
$344 Billion: Estimated Economic Cost Of All The New EPA Regulations Finalized Since Obama Took Office. ("Regulation Rodeo," American Action Forum, Accessed 12/27/16).
$292 Billion: Projected Cost Of Obama's Finalized Clean Power Plan Regulations. (H. Sterling Burnett, "Economic Analysis of Clean Power Plan Shows High Cost, Minimal Benefits," The Heartland Institute, 12/2/15).
$99 Billion: The Growth In The USA 's Annual Trade Deficit With China Since Obama Took Office. ("Trade In Goods With China," USA Census Bureau, Accessed 12/27/16).
$29 Billion: Projected Annual Loss Of Coal Production Due To The Interior Department's New Stream Protection Rule. ("Economic Analysis Of Proposed Stream Protection Rule," Ramboll Environ, 10/15).
$9. 6 Billion: Projected Annual Loss Due To The EPA's 2012 Mercury Rule. ("Hearing Entitled 'A Review Of EPA's Regulatory Activity During The Obama Administration: Energy And Industrial Sectors," USA House Of Representatives Committee On Energy And Commerce, 6/30/16).
$1. 4 Billion: Projected Annual Loss Due To The EPA's 2015 Ozone Rule. ("Final Ozone Rule," American Action Forum, 10/2/15).
583 Million: Hours Of Paperwork To Deal With All The New Federal Government Regulations Finalized Since Obama Took Office. ("Regulation Rodeo," American Action Forum, Accessed 12/27/16).
$500 Million: Projected Annual Loss Due To The EPA's 2015 Coal Ash Rule. ("Hazardous and Solid Waste Management System; Disposal of Coal Combustion Residuals From Electric Utilities," Federal Register, 4/17/15, pg. 21462).
$462.9 Million: Projected Annual Loss Due To The Administration's 2015 "Water Of The United States" Rule. ("Final WOTUS Rule," American Action Forum, 5/28/16).
$400 Million: What Obama Paid Iran As Part Of Its Hostage Deal To Release Prisoners Held By The State Sponsor Of Terror. (Elise Labott, Nicole Gaouette and Kevin Liptak, "US Sent Plane With $400 Million In Cash To Iran," CNN, 8/4/16).
$320 Million: Projected Annual Loss Due To The EPA's 2016 Methane Emissions Rule. ("Hearing Entitled 'A Review Of EPA's Regulatory Activity During The Obama Administration: Energy And Industrial Sectors," USA House Of Representatives Committee On Energy And Commerce, 6/30/16).
2. 3 Million: The Number Of Americans That Could Have Just One Insurer To Choose From Next Year Due To ObamaCare. (Cynthia Cox And Ashley Semanskee, Preliminary Date on Insurer Exits And Entrants In 2017 Affordable Care Act Marketplaces, Kaiser Family Foundation, 8/28/16).
2 Million: Projected Job Losses Under The Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Deal That Obama Negotiated And Lobbied For. (Robert E. Scott and Elizabeth Glass, "Trans-Pacific Partnership, Currency Manipulation, Trade, And Jobs," Economic Policy Institute, 3/3/16).
301,000: Manufacturing Jobs Lost Since Obama Took Office. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, Accessed 12/2/16).
280,000: Projected Job Loss Due To The Interior Department's New Stream Protection Rule. ("Economic Analysis Of Proposed Stream Protection Rule," Ramboll Environ, 10/15).
82,288: Number Of Criminals Illegal Immigrants Released By The Obama Administration From 2013 To 2015. (Maria Sacchetti, "Criminal Immigrants Reoffend At High Rates Than ICE Has Suggested," The Boston Globe, 6/4/16).
$8,390: The Increase In The Average Cost Of Tuition, Fees, And Room And Board At A Four Year Public College Since Obama Took Office. ("Trends In College Pricing 2016," The College Board, 10/26/16).
5,000: Reduction In The Number Of Illegal Immigrants Deported This Year Under Obama. (Rafael Bernal, "Deportations Under Obama Could Hit 10-Year Low," The Hill, 8/31/16).
$4,370: The Increase In The Average Cost Of Tuition, Fees, And Room And Board At A Four Year Public College Since Obama Took Office. ("Trends In College Pricing 2016," The College Board, 10/26/16).
2,998: The Number Of New Federal Government Regulations Finalized Since Obama Took Office. ("Regulation Rodeo," American Action Forum, Accessed 12/27/16).
970: The Number Of Counties That Could See No Competition In Healthcare Insurers In 2017 Due To ObamaCare. (Cynthia Cox And Ashley Semanskee, Preliminary Date on Insurer Exits And Entrants In 2017 Affordable Care Act Marketplaces, Kaiser Family Foundation, 8/28/16).
717: Less Democrat State House Representatives Since Obama Took Office. ("2009 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 1/26/09; "2016 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 12/6/16).
231: Less Democrat State Senators Since Obama Took Office. ("2009 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 1/26/09; "2016 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 12/6/16).
183: The Number Of New EPA Regulations Finalized Since Obama Took Office. ("Regulation Rodeo," American Action Forum, Accessed 12/27/16).
98%: Increase In Student Debt Since Obama Took Office. ("Student Loans Owned And Securitized, Outstanding," Federal Reserve Bank Of St. Louis, Accessed 12/27/16).
87%: The Increase In The National Debt Since Obama Took Office. ("Daily History Of The Debt," USA Department Of Treasury, Accessed 12/23/16).
63: Less Democrats In The House Of Representatives Since Obama Took Office. (Jennifer E. Manning, "Membership Of The 111th Congress: A Profile," Congressional Research Service, 12/23/09; "House Election Results," The New York Times, 12/19/16).
41: States That Saw Deductibles Increases In 2016 Under ObamaCare. (Nathan Nascimento, "The Latest Problem Under The Affordable Care Act: Deductibles," The National Review, 04/12/16).
28%: The Increase In The Average Cost Of Tuition, Fees, And Room And Board At A Four Year Public College Since Obama Took Office. ("Trends In College Pricing 2016," The College Board, 10/26/16).
23%: The Increase In The Average Cost Of Tuition, Fees, And Room And Board At A Four Year Private College Since Obama Took Office. ("Trends In College Pricing 2016," The College Board, 10/26/16).
22%: Average Increase In ObamaCare Premium's Benchmark Silver Plan In 2017. (Tami Luhby, "ObamaCare Premiums To Soar 22% CNN, 10/25/16).
21: The Number Of Tax Increases In ObamaCare That Total More Than $1 Trillion Over A Decade. ("ObamaCare: Trillion Dollar Tax Hike That Hurts Small Businesses," USA House Of Representatives Committee On Ways And Means, 3/31/16).
18: Less Democrat-Controlled State Legislative Bodies Since Obama Took Office. ("2009 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 1/26/09; "2016 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 12/6/16).
12: Less Democrat Governors Since Obama Took Office. ("2009 State And Legislative Partisan Composition," National Conference Of State Legislatures, 1/26/09; Jennifer Duffy, "Governors: 2017/2018 Race Ratings," The Cook Political Report, 12/2/16).
12: Less Democrats In The USA Senate Since Obama Took Office. (Jennifer E. Manning, "Membership Of The 111th Congress: A Profile," Congressional Research Service, 12/23/09; "House Election Results," The New York Times, 12/19/16).
11-14%: Projected Rise In Electricity Rates For Most Consumers As A Results Of Obama's Finalized Clean Power Plan Regulations. (H. Sterling Burnett, "Economic Analysis of Clean Power Plan Shows High Cost, Minimal Benefits," The Heartland Institute, 12/2/15).
5%: The Reduction Of The Percentage Of Americans Who Self Identify As Middle-Class Since Obama Took Office. (Frank Newport, "Americans' Identification As Middle Class Edges Back Up," Gallup, 12/15/16).
4%: Drop In The Rate Of Homeownership Since Obama Took Office. ("State Of Working America Data Library," Economic Policy Institute, Accessed 12/27/16).
2%: The "Anemic" Average Annual GDP Growth Since Obama Took Office. (Larry Light, "Obama's 8-Year Economic Legacy: A Mixed Bag," CBS, 12/23/16).
$0. 19: Decrease In The Median USA Hourly Wage Since Obama Took Office. ("State Of Working America Data Library," Economic Policy Institute, Accessed 12/27/16).
0: Excuses Obama Has For Why His Party's Nominee, Who Ran On His Legacy, Failed To Win In November. (The American People, 11/8/16).
Mr. Coalburner:
A little bit too much info here. But as for the increase in debt, did you forget that when Obama took office the world was in the largest financial catastrophe since the Great Depression? Most pundits attributed the problem to the deregulation mania of the GOP Bush administration. Late in his 2nd term when the crisis began Bush himself had urged increases in government spending in order to prime the pump. This is called fiscal policy and it is the usual Government response to severe economic downturns. Good news is that Obama left the economy on its way to a robust recovery. However now we have a president with a double digit IQ who wants to rescind the Obama regulation regime. What is the quote by George Santayana, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ".
[QUOTE=Pompetus;2011935]. Good news is that Obama left the economy on its way to a robust recovery".[/QUOTE]This is a joke, right? The economy's really going to recover with all those temp waiter, bar tender and nursing home attendant part-time jobs in non-tradeable goods. But about the deficit, what's to worry: 'a debt that cannot be repaid, won't be repaid (Econ101).
What are you smoking, Pomp? Must be some pretty good shit.
[QUOTE=Pompetus;2011935]
too much info here. .. Obama left the economy on its way to a robust recovery.[/QUOTE].
Thanks for acknowledging this, Huts. Trump and Germany's chancellor were recently arguing over this.
[QUOTE=Hutsori;2011924]Speaking as an outsider, all you Yanks, both Republicans and Democrats, are being played for fools when you are picking up the defence burden for Europe, Japan, and S. Korea.
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