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All I read about Saigon tells me that crackdown is going on. Not a good period to go, apparently. Like Bangkok this month. Do you know if it is the same atmosphere in Hanoi at the moment ? At what time has Apocalypse Now been closing recently ? This is alusually a good barometer of the tension.
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Erik:
Apocalypse has been closing at about 12:30 for the past 6 months, but there are other places (New Century and Monaco for example) which are routinely open until past 3 AM with no hassle. I don't think there's any real tension, just an attempt to put on a good face for the SEA Games. Also, just got back from HCMC and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary there either.
I was taken to a relatively new place called Nana which is primarily for Japanese and is styled more or less like a pub on the Ginza in Tokyo. It costs $50 just to get in the door, and then you need to buy a bottle of whiskey or a minimum of $130, after which you are escorted to a private, very comfortable room, surrounded by women, and encouraged to talk about whatever you want. Post-meeting arrangements can be made, it was clear, but I had no desire. I was with a client and the bill for the 3 of us was more than $300 with no food. Unless you're on an expense account or a maochist, it's a good idea to stay away.
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If I remember well, Monaco is just a bar, not a disco, isnt'il ?
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Girls at Apocalypse seem a bit expensive to me compared to rest of SE Asia. Had a girl who wanted $30 for a quicky. In the end I sent her off with $20 and much anger. Room cost me $10 short time, cause my hotel didn't accept guests. My advice is to mention money beforehand.
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You remember correctly. However, it's also the place that a lot of the ladies from other places come after those places close down, so there's a lot of stuff happening there. I've also found lately that a lot of the ladies who go to Apocalypse and New Century hang out at the Relax Bar until 10 or 10:30, so it's not a bad place in the early part of the evening.
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Just a quick update on Apocalypse. I went there a couple of nights ago for the first time in two weeks and was surprised that when I left at about 12:30, it was still booming and showed no sign of closing. I should add that this was on a Monday night, so it's not as if the place had special permission to stay open late for the week end. Maybe the rules are being relaxed again. I would also note that Relax Bar seems to be staying open later than it did when I first arrived here.
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Quick impression on Hanoi.
I feel Apocalypse needs serioulsy to renew its talents. It is all the same girls I have seen for years, in their 30 et 40 by now, very chicky and professionnal, with 1 or 2 kids each. Situation a bit better in New Century, but same danger threatens. Seems the nicer chicks head to Ho Chi Minh City preferably. I wonder why, they are highly needed in Hanoi.
Although I have discovered that Viet girls lie even better than Thai ones. At least, when you ask a Thai if she has had kids, she will tell the truth. A Viet girl can perfectly answer "no", and then you discover in your room that she has lied and she has a awful body. So what do you do in the case ?
Your opinions are welcome.
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Erik, I've never been in Hanoi but my notes tell me about "Relax bar" and "Spotted Cow"...which is supposedly a 1 minute walk from Hanoi Towers? And also a place called "Hales" or pronounced "Holly".......have you checked out these places or others...let me know! Just trying to help you out! ;) Happy poking!
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No, sorry, I forgot to check out these places.
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Relax Bar is about 1 minute walk from Hanoi Tower. It's an ex-pat pub with lovely waitresses who, for the most part, do not double as hookers and who require some serious attention before they will sleep with you. The bar also attracts a couple of pros every night who typically go there before going to Apocalypse Now. All in all, it's a good place to drink but not a great place to pick up women.
The Spotted Cow is much the same, largely crammed full of Brits and, like Relax, attracts a few hookers every night. It's fairly small, and it gets pretty noisy.
The walk from the Hanoi Tower to Relax Bar is interesting, as a lot of free lance hookers, on motor bikes and on foot patrol this area. They typically congregate just outside the entrance to Relax Bar.
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Hi guys,
I will be making my first trip to Hanoi this week on company business, having been to Saigon about two years ago.
Just wondering about the Fortuna Hotel, about its standard and if it is a good place to stay during the visit and any spots where I can pick up chicks nearby. Heard there is a karaoke lounge in the hotel, but i'm not really into karaoke. Where else in the area can I go and roughly how much am I expected to fork out?
What is the current situation there, given the police checks that I read in the other posts?
Also heard about these places in Vietnam, not sure if they are in Hanoi, where they are basically pool parlours but you get girls servicing you at the same time. Did not find any in Saigon when I was there.
Really would appreciate any help I can get, and will keep the group posted on any details that I find.
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My advice would be to stay away from the Fortuna. The service is lousy as is the food and the prices, by Hanoi standards, are outrageous. If you want a good five star stay nearer the center. The Hilton and the Metropole are both good choices. There is a "hostess" bar in the Fortuna, but it's expensive, the bar fines are huge and the girls just ordinary, though you can avoid the bar fines by giving them a phone number and making outside arrangements.
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Hi guys
i'll be in Ha Noi this coming 10/01/04 VN, are the any board members in HN right now, mayble we can meet up for a beer or a cup of coffee? This is my first time in HN alone, i was borned in SaiGon, but still speaks the language, will stay in HN and Ha Long Bay for about two weeks, any thing that i can do for fun like p4p: bars, disco, hot toc, massage .ect. Thanks
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Massage place right in front of the Hilton Hanoi Opera that provides HJ. Gave 200K tip, 80K for 1.5 hr massage. And the massage was great. Is there any FS at the MPs in Vietnam?
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Please stay in Tokyo never to return to VN! You vastly overpaid which continues to ruin the local scene. The going rate for a massage may be 60-80K in Hanoi but 200K for a tip for simple HJ is 3-4 times appropriate tip. I would never tell anyone ruining the scene where to get FS in VN. But in case you ever find it the max tip for FS is 200K and it can easily be gotten at many venues which outside the city centre for as little as 30-60K tip! Sorry for maybe a harsh tone but VN is not Tokyo or even Thailand in its standard of living and therefore outsiders should become aware of the REAL price structure and not be so naive.