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In Brazil, I scope them out fist before answering the where are you from question. I ask them their occupation immediately after asking their name and what part of the city they live in. If their answer suggests they are wealthy, I tell them I live in New York. If they are poor, I am prejudiced against it because they may want to meet me for a greencard to the US so I tell them I live in China, being that I am Chinese. I always leave my pasport in the hotel room so they can't expect me to show them.
Even if they are poor, I scope them out further on a date the following day and I won't turn down some non-pro action.
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Lenin and Darkseid -
Since I am very Northern European looking in my features, and I do not have fluency in any language other than American English, it is difficult to feign a "non-rich" country origin. I envy both of you in this regard.
Since both of you generally agree with my experiences as a first -world travelling man in non- first - world countries with women, how do you respond to the issue that AW are often thought of as more materialistic than many women in other countries?
I begin to doubt this claim as being a particularly strong one with AW as I continue to have experiences in foreign countries. It is not difficult for me to imagine that if I was a native Russian man living in Russia, for example, and I was the equivalent of a "middle-class" working guy, I would have the same experiences with Russian women in their interest of my "financial situation" as an average AM has with AW.
I know Lenin has remarked that it is not the same, but I have difficulty discerning the differences based on my experiences.
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Jak,
I never heard that RW leave their husbands in Russia when they losing their jobs like AW do. In general RW are famous for their loyalty.
If you are hunting in tourist places in Russia, where biggest concentration of greedy women, of course, you can get result even worst then here.
You still can make good result if you planning your trip carefully.
Also depend what do you want. You want to bring RW here or keep her there and how long you want your relationship lasts?
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Lenin -
Without moving too much off of the AW theme, I would answer your question regarding what I would want from a RW as being answered partially by you already. I wouldn't want to get involved in the risk of bringing one over here even if I really fell for one - as I recently did. When I finally become financially independent, I might be interested in living in Russia for an extended period. I have the Pimsleur Russian CD's and am slowly working toward the goal of spending some time in the less travelled cities. I've already mentioned in a previous post that I find the Slavic women to be the most beautiful on whole, but I will be going to Buenos Aires in a few weeks for a week and then for several months this summer (with a side trip to Brazil). Despite all the great reports on the women of B.A. and Brazil, I still don't think they will top my preference for the Slavic woman look. But hey, I like to keep an open mind.
You have mentioned on numerous occasions that RM have a stronger emotional bond with each other than AM (you claim nothing else like it in other cultures). It almost sounds like they talk and offer support to each other the same way I view women doing in general no matter what culture they are in. If AM were willing and able to adopt this RM cultural quality, do you think it would have a drastic difference in turning the "balance" back to American male/female relationships?
Also, one of the concerns that I think many posters have had regarding your advocacy of the male/female balance in the Russian world is the perceived necessity or threat of the use of violence to maintain it. What are your thoughts on this?
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Iagree with Lenin in that if you go to a touristy part of the country, you will more likely meet a woman who went to the US and became exposed to the AW way. These women would know a thing or two about the dirty trick of the AW and would use it against you. I you go to a non-touristy area like Vitoria in Brazil you will meet very few women that has been to America but if you go to Rio, some of them visited America because the women in the toursty regions have the money to travel and they will to some degree act like an AW.
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Jak,
Yes, man’s support could change a lot, but it is impossible to promote it here because US have completely different history and culture.
Russians went thorough hundreds of wars and used to looking
for help and get help from his friends. American opposite. They competed for money and now they compete even for AW among themselves.
in Russia word "looser" never had such dramatic meaning like here. Everybody was integrated into community.
I am beginning to realize that the best that can do AM is to make enough money, move out of US and integrate himself with less sex repressive culture.
Otherwise his future is prostitutes, loneliness and suicide.
About your last question, if you want to live in Russia I just can tell you that this is integral part of Russian culture. I am not big fun of this too, this one of the reasons why I prefer Latin to RW. If you cannot handle it, you should choose RW for LTR even more carefully because she eventually can take advantage over you
ones she sense you soft. I am curious, why you like RW, because how they look or because their personal characteristics?
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[i]Otherwise his future is prostitutes, loneliness and suicide.[/i]
See, here you go again. This is just baloney, a gross generalization, just like me saying that the future of a RM is as an alcoholic, disease-infested beggar. I could come up with far more dramatic statistics to support this than you could your statement.
C'mon, you were doing so well with a real discussion! :)
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Lenin -
I'll briefly answer your question first. It is mainly the Slavic look that I like, and I realized this only when I was in my twenties and had a Czech-American girlfriend. I love the skin! My other two LTR were with Polish-American women. I like sweet-natured, feminine women, and two of the three had those personalities. I just got hooked after discovering my reactions to being with those kind of women.
I love the feminine look and behavior/charm that many RW give off in their native country, and combined with the silky white skin -- ooh-la-la! But, as you have so many times confirmed, there is a wild animal waiting behind the facade. Thanks for confirming my hunches so well!
Maybe this is an appropriate time to discuss the issue that many AM have mentioned about AW being more aggressive than many foreign women. Your area of expertise being RW, I think you have again made the case that RW are not necessarily any less aggressive or manipulative than AW, but it's the Russian system that keeps them "in-line" (with a little bit of fear of the man if they get to far out-of-line).
You have on many occasions made the claim that many Latin women would behave differently/better than the average RW would if she was brought into this American system. This is maybe a good time to explore the idea of how many Latin women are somehow inherently different than RW in their propensity to be aggresive and abusive of a system that seems to give them a little more power over men.
Any thoughts on why this seems to be?
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Darkseid -
I agree with your opinion. I want to begin trying to spend more time in the non-touristy areas of the countries I visit. The big drawback to this type of travel is usually the language barrier. You seem well on your way to giving it a go in Brazil with your present-tense knowledge of Portuguese, and I am in the process of working toward this with Spanish and Russian. I think you can generally crack into a whole new realm when you can converse in the native language of the country.
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joe_zop,
may be you going to be surprised but I am not
is going to argue with you about RM alcoholic habits because
it is real problem in lot of cases. Same as it is real problem about loneliness of AM.
But we are here not to discuss alcoholism.
If you so perfectionist in statements, then I can change from:
Otherwise his future is prostitutes, loneliness and suicide.
To:
Otherwise future of many AM is prostitutes, loneliness and suicide.
Is it helps?
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Jak, you got it absolutely right.
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Originally posted by Jak
I love the feminine look and behavior/charm that many RW give off in their native country, and combined with the silky white skin -- ooh-la-la! But, as you have so many times confirmed, there is a wild animal waiting behind the façade
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RW are not necessarily any less aggressive or manipulative than AW, but it's the Russian system that keeps them "in-line" (with a little bit of fear of the man if they get to far out-of-line).
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USbabe is only one AW who participated in this section:
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Originally posted by USbabe
[i] I forgot who said it but someone mentioned that women are like little children and if you put up with their rotten behavior, they will keep giving it. That's it! I don't really think women are out to test guys, but if a guy doesn't put a stop to that kind of manipulative behavior, it continues. Then, the woman doesn't respect the man, and vice versa. I get the impression that some guys are afraid of losing her, so they'll put up with anything, and that's where the problem starts.
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Her statement confirms that the somthing different is waiting behind the façade of any women, not only behind the façade of RW. RM usually know about it. I think, AM sometimes forgetting this and dream about perfect women. This dream brought them into real troubles.
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Lenin, it's still hyperbole. "Some" is more accurate, as it doesn't imply that it's the majority of cases, which your other statements do. It's not about being perfect in statements, it's about having the overall thrust be accurate. It's simply not close to accurate to say that most AM will end up suicidal, using prostitutes or alone, and there's no need to say it to still have your point be valid. Beyond that, it's just bashing -- and my point regarding alcoholism and RM was not at all to say that my statement was true but that it was the same kind of unnecessary exaggeration.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lenin
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I am beginning to realize that the best that can do AM is to make enough money, move out of US and integrate himself with less sex repressive culture.
Otherwise his future is prostitutes, loneliness and suicide.
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LOL! Let's see, since that is the stereotypical vision of RM, with vodka substituted for suicide, I guess you're speaking out your ass again.
You know, you keep trying to paint a Renoir of Russia and a Dali of America. I still wonder why it is you prefer to live here.
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joe_zop,
I am not specialist in English at all but I am not thinking that MANY is wrong.
Let's assume for sake of the arguments that during Vietnam War 10% American soldier was killed. (I don’t know exact number)
It is a lot. It is many thousands.
Statement – “MANY men killed in this war” is not exaggeration at all.
Although it is only 10%. it's not the majority of all man. It is not MOST OF.
Statement - “SOME men killed in this war” is really gives you wrong idea like It was small war.
And also SOME - removes any emotions from the statement.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jak
[i]Lenin -
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Your area of expertise being RW, I think you have again made the case that RW are not necessarily any less aggressive or manipulative than AW, but it's the Russian system that keeps them "in-line" (with a little bit of fear of the man if they get to far out-of-line).
[b](SNIP)[/b]
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Jak,
I'd be careful with that assumption about Lenin having any expertise about women, Russian or otherwise. It's pretty apparent from his posts that he has delusions of what RW are like. And, he absolutely can't relate to AW. It seems that he may have had some relationships with Cuban pros, but those were most likely pay for play, so they don't count.