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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]No, it is not perverted, it is normal.
Girls like figures of authority and lots of teachers dated and married their students - probably a lot harder and more dangerous to do today though.
But that does not apply to you. The day you stopped being their teacher is the day it became open season for you (once they turned 18).
Who cares if some of these ex-students might not react well? They will simply not respond or block you. Big deal. That is the beauty of internet dating and social networks - rejection is impersonal and no big deal. Move on to the next one.
However, I think you over-estimate your secret weapon - having been their teacher. Sure, many girls might have had a crush on you or would have been thrilled to date a teacher when they were in high school. But once they have moved on in life (you say it has been 5 years) their ideas of who is cool will have changed.
You may be right to target these two PR/DR girls who may well still be interested in open to your advances. Go for it! But many of the other girls will have grown up and have different ambitions now. I am not sure those are fertile fields. But again, what is the harm in trying?
Hey, if it has been 5 years, is there a 5 year reunion coming up?
Actually, I guess every year is a reunion year for teachers.
You should start showing up at those.
But frankly I don't think AW are your best market. It will always be difficult to find girls willing to date a 10+ year age gap, your lucky friend notwithstanding. And those PR/DR girls, it may be great to date and fuck them, but even they are not likely to be thinking of marriage and kids yet. That doesn't start until after 25 for most AW.
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. LOTS of those women would LOVE to find a youthful, mature, employed American male who wants to start a family. The disadvantage most of us operate under is we are not really interested in a LTR or marriage, whereas you are.
And don't get spooked by all the stuff you read here about the EE women are only after the green card and half your money. Sure lots of them are, but you have to watch for sharks everywhere. There are also lots and lots of EE women (and presumably SA as well, but I don't know that market) who genuinely want to find a stable, healthy relationship to start a family in a safe and prosperous place. They know they cannot find that at home. Certainly you could manage a 10 year spread there.
In the meantime bang the two teenagers if you can, but don't expect that to blossom into a healthy marriage.
Good luck and happy hunting![/QUOTE]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.
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Fins on the left....
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "[i]Cara mia,[/i] we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"
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Clarification
First, I apologize for the length of my post. I should have summarized it thusly:
"If you were going to get in touch with an ex-student, WHAT would you say?"
I'm looking for ideas on how to approach them.
-yes they are all over age and out of high school
-this is not something that I'm going to spend a lot of time on, as there are not many possible targets
-I don't think many will remember me, especially the two girls I described, unfortunately. So really this is just more mental masturbation than anything else BUT you never know since, as stated by some of you, it is a common fantasy amongst students
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. .[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.[/QUOTE]
Its only risky if your thinking with your small head... Despite the propaganda sold by services/agencies all around the net, you can find somebody over there.
While its been impacted by the West (especially Ukraine, Czech Republic) in a negative way, Russia is still a very closed society as many people will not bother with the Visa process to get in and they make so difficult, especially young women to get out with nothing tying them back to the country.
Also the economies have been improving in these countries for awhile and while still not up to Western Standards, America is pretty much a 3rd World Country that doesn't know it yet. Once the infrastructure crumbles some more people will have a better idea.
Tales of Woe to be honest don't bother me, the divorce rate is much higher in the US with US women than the failure rate of foreign women. The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "[i]Cara mia,[/i] we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"[/QUOTE]
+1
As many have stated that have chased and found their foreign wife and are still married a decade or more, many women are happy to be driving a Toyota Corolla and shopping at Target/Wal-Mart. As long as you bring home enough money so she can buy the things she NEEDS not DESIRES, 90% of the women are content.
They also believe that no woman would put up with the 1-3 year process it takes to get your Green Card. Of course they would these guys don't understand Women at all, but be that as it may, these women are easy to spot.
I have spoken before about the vetting process around here before and it applies as much at home as it does on the road, it doesn't matter. If most of you keep saying "Women are the same everywhere" that is true of the vetting process, don't let common sense take a vacation when you do.
I also agree spending as much time as possible with the woman in question will reveal a TON especially at home where she's most comfortable. From how she treats her children to how she treats you/others. Women are not quite as smart as they think they are, especially those without any psychological training they are still doing things based on "feeling" use this to your advantage.
I also think men mis-interrupt things that might be thought of as Red Flags, like having an excellent command of English, having traveled extensively or even desiring to come to America. Look our propaganda works does it not? If it didn't people wouldn't come to America. Even with our economic and political problems that has hardly slowed down the Green Card Lotteries.
As I said guys won't take the blame and just say "I married the wrong woman".
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.[/QUOTE]
Go back to school, join me! The economy is going to be crappy for at least another 5-10 years, might as well take advantage of it and go to school. That's how I see it. I also qualified for UI and while its not alot, my expenses are low which means if I'm very careful I can still travel, so can you.
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5,000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney,
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5, 000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.[/QUOTE]
I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.
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Skin lightening
In Asian cultures light skin is a sign of status. If you are light you are not a common worker and are considered to be rich in that you don't have to work. In my opinion I prefer the olive skin skin as they look healthier and prettier.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree, my assumption is that girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.[/QUOTE]So this must hold true for guys who marry and then it doesn't work out to AW also. So maybe marriage is hard period.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.[/QUOTE]The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.[/QUOTE]I did not try to make a point about her skin color, it was only a description. It does not matter there. You could get the same treatment from completely white girls. It is the culture, the traditions, most girls are still family oriented and respect men. That's what I mean. At least I have seen in many cases there women are trying to save my money in contrast to many women in USA who have tried to suck money out of me as much as possible.
It is a common belief that women in USA are more independent, have good jobs, and thus money, which is true. But for some reason they are also greedier for money too.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key. Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.[/QUOTE]So far I've an opportunity to get married with at least 2 model looking chicas there. Of course they know they are beautiful but behave very modest and very quite. One has even been trying to impress me how she cooks, also cleans up her home. In USA she would have a long line of guys after her trying to impress her with their crap.
It is just different from the West. They have different standards and were brought up in a different way. You can meet a really beautiful girl who tries to impress you with her "taking care of house and cooling" skills. Also does not fuck around. I bet you do not see this stuff often in USA.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.[/QUOTE]I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.[/QUOTE]There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.