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Outside Chance
Cy, if by some incredibly lucky roll of the dice, you hooked up with a SANE, loving, giving, thoughtful AW who doesn't have some hidden agenda that will lead to your detriment, then by all means, keep her like the jewel she is. I'm not telling you NOT to get hitched, BUT work out any issues you may have. If you're totally into this chick and KNOW that she's of sterling character, and you have your mongering desires out of your system, then your path is clear. REMEMBER, though, that if you get hitched and soon find out that you are having doubts, you can't treat the marriage like an unwanted gift that you want to return. It wouldn't be fair to her. Did I just SAY THAT? LOLOL Seriously though, before you take the matrimonial leap, be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN!
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"Self Made Man"
Astor B
Maybe the show on TV featured the author of the book "Self Made Man." It is by lesbian author Norah Vincent and details how she passes as a man for a year to male friends, joins bowling leagues, and works at male jobs. The book reviewer says "amusingly, Vincent is utterly astounded by the amount of rejection and hauteur that heterosexual men put up with."
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There must be at least one million nice, kind, considerate, pretty, intelligent and fun loving women in America, who may even be slim, and good company. As there are an estimated 150 million females in the US, that group of 'nice' American women accounts for less than one percent. I like America, and always enjoyed my time there while visiting. But not seeking any companionship from either SWF or SBF, for that I will head East where the girls are prettier, slimer, kinder, more gentle, certainly more fun to be with, as PC has not reached there yet, but mutual respect has (yes, that applies to the 'bar girls' as well). Of course each to his own, there is nothing to stop anyone to spend a small fortune and get almost nil return in America (may be just an ear ache!), or in Western Europe (where you may get more than just an ear ache!). GFE?! Wot?!!
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Only in America
Only in America would a woman like this sue for sexual harassment... you'd think she'd be happy to get any play at all...
[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/photo?slug=nyr10101271308.knicks_thomas_harassment_suit_nyr101&prov=ap[/url]
Or do you think maybe Isiah Thomas mistook her for ex-Knicks forward Charles Oakley?!
Sorry if I am being mean and I dont mean to underplay sexual harassment, but my goodness! Either she's the money-hungry wench that cried wolf as Isiah says, or Isiah needs to seriously consider some therapy.
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Marriage
Cyberdas:
IMHO, unless you are going to found a family, there is absolutely no reason to get married. There is NO advantage whatsoever for the man, essentially he is emasculated by marriage and voluntarily surrenders 50% of his future income to a person whom he may love at the time, but whom he cannot entirely trust. Its a sensitive issue of course because when in love it always seems permanant and one wants to give 110%... we've all been there.
But people can change over time... and not just the girl... and love isnt inherently a permanant condition.
Love and marriage can work, but in today's times it is much more difficult to keep a marriage together than it was 30 years ago. If the culture had been different 30 years ago, a lot of the seemingly happy marriages that our parents' generation enjoyed would have failed and ended in divorce.
I am not making a moral judgement on the issue because I understand the longing for a monogamous, secure and loving relationship that many men harbor... but also caution at taking that "gigantic" step without really knowing what it means.
Love and marriage are more than just expressions of affection and love, they are commitments that bind in ways most men dont even consider or comprehend when uttering "yes, I will" at the altar. I think most women have a much more realistic stance on this, even though it may not be superficially apparent. They certainly understand the financial security aspect of it though and even though ideally their primary motivation is in fact love, they also know that a girl has to get the best "package"* she can when getting hooked.
* no pun intended
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Well stated, Doc!
It's good to occasionally have the voice of eloquence chime in and further clarify what one of us didn't at first.
To get only slightly off-topic, I wanted to mention the actual ceremony (marriage). I often see in the media American Women obsessing over even the tiniest details and turning from mild mannered Bruce Banner into a raging Incredible Hulk if things don't go their way. I don't ever hear about such outrageous behavior regarding marriage ceremonies overseas. Also, does anyone remember Courtney Thorne-Smith (formerly of "Melrose Place", presently of "the World According to Jim")? She had an incredibly pricey wedding and she obsessed over tiny details, only to get DIVORCED 8 MONTHS LATER! That tells me that AW's are concerned MORE with the ceremony than the actual union of two (allegedly) loving people. Just think, they have this big ceremony and reception bash afterwards, and then the hard work begins. Kind of anticlimactic, wouldn't you think? Add that to the possibility of her FRIENDS one-upping her if they get married AFTER her, then the cauldron is further stirred.
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Foreign Women vs AW
In all fairness, AW have forgotten a long, long time ago that they are......Are you paying attention? That they are WOMEN!!! It's a sad thing to see how they try and take over complete control of every aspect of a gentlemen's life to the point of complete emasculation. I've lived all over the world, so I speak from an educated and informed point of view on this matter: American Women: You can't marry them, but they are a lot of fun once they give in. Take them out, screw them, tell them you love them if you must (Cross your fingers!), but do not, ever think of getting serious with them. Now, if you travel around a little, you will observe women, enjoying the fact that they are...women. They appreciate who you are, they know what you want, and are usually willing to take care of your needs. They may have hidden agendas, but are willing to go home without circling the bases if you know what I mean. It's astounding how much time, money and energy it takes to get anything from our AW. Life is too short and time too valuable to waste it trying to play the game AW set up for us. They take, take, take and sometimes give just enough to keep you around. You travel, and women are available like food at an all you can eat buffet. It's up to you to decide if it's worth your time.
[QUOTE=Cyberdas]I'm caught in a bind here having to choose between dealing with and taking my chances on AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA or foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. In all fairness to what has been posted here lately and in trying to strike a balance between what One Wing Low and Dirkdingy have stated and what Sinanju Master, CBGBConnisur and the majority of the posters here usually have to say - I'm stuck in a rut. Maybe you fellas can provide with some substantive and useful advice.
I agree that most AW/ Americanized foreign women in sex prison, USA suck but at the same time, my limited experiences with foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad has only been slightly better. Maybe it is because I'm seen as a walking ATM or U.S. visa opportunity or because they become attracted to the fact that I don't live there and that I'm different or treat them in a different way. Or perhaps, because I don't really know them, they can get away with more. Yes, outside sex prison I'm able to talk to and go out with women in their early twenties (a decade younger than me) where as in sex prison, my choices basically range from late, late twenties and beyond. Nothing wrong with this only that women in that age group tend, for some reason or another, to have been previously married (one or more times) and with kids. Meaning baggage and not only in the physical sense, but in the emotional and mental senses as well.
For some odd reason also, women in this age group in sex prison tend to be overweight / obese. Perhaps due to the bad eating practices we all tend to engage in (i.e. McDonalds, the lack of regular or any exercise, etc..) in comparison to foreign/ non-Americanized women abroad. Unfortunately this also applies to us guys (in terms of being overweight and obese - in all fairness here). I also notice how much more demanding AW/ Americanized foreign women are and how devoid of reality they can get to be. This in spite of the aforementioned issues (baggage, obesity, etc..) which strike an amazingly contrast to what's fantasy and what's reality.
My point is, I'm stuck between having to live in a fantasy/ alternate reality myself by boycotting dating in sex prison, USA and resorting to emails, letters, MSN Messenger, long distance phone calls with possible candidates abroad. Not to mention having to shore-up enough cash to be able to go overseas for a couple of weeks at a time (once or maybe twice a year due to vacation rules, schooling and monetary issues) or taking my chances here at home daring the shark-infested and shallow waters of dating AW/ Americanized foreign women. I just hate living a celibate lifestyle 95% of the time in order to be able to experience a short-lived, but pleasant lifestyle that our ex-pats experience year-round abroad (kudos to CBGBConnisur and his ilk). Maybe I should invest my hard-earned cash here at home for a while and test the waters and take my chances in finding that diamond in the rough by dancing to the dating tunes and jumping through the razor-coated hoops in the possibility of getting some snatch without having to travel so far. What do you guys think? All answers will be sincerely appreciated.[/QUOTE]
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"The Wedding"
I'm glad this came up. Been meaning to rant on the subject for awhile. Although I, like Cy am kind of kicking around the idea of "settling down", I consider "The Wedding" alone to be justification not to take an American girl. Spending a healthy five, or even SIX figure sum for the express purpose of showing off and one upping her girlfriends, in a game of materialistic stupidity.
I've seen guys marry Russian girls in a documentary. They go out to the banks of a whatever river runs through St. Petersburg, have the priest, conduct a ceremony, with a witness or two, and then run off somewhere to bang their pretty young hot new wife.
Now, I'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. But I think they have the right general idea.....Priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. But you would never get away with that with an AW, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6
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[quote=bart9000]
now, i'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. but i think they have the right general idea.....priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. but you would never get away with that with an aw, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6[/quote]
only if she's been down that road before.... its kinda like a used car, once you drove it off the lot its not worth the same, so the cost of getting married goes down quite a bit.
in fact, alot of them settle for a quickie at city hall or combine it with a trip of vegas and be content with a few days in a hotel, so they could be away from their children...
i've said it before and i'll keep saying it -
there plenty of nice ones out there, the problem is the nice men out number them like 10-1. i shouldn't have to low ball myself just to get laid or have a relationship and my skillz aren't so bad that i need to go outside of the us and pay to get laid.
my trip is more of a fact finding mission than anything else, but since mongering is accepted behavior, i would like to experence getting some booty and paying for it and getting more than a peck on the cheek, lips, warm handshake or even less.
my grapes aren't sour, i'm just tried of playing in the minor leagues when i should be playing in the majors, and the girls won't knock me for not achieving the "status" they need to present their friends and family with.
that's where i'm at..
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[QUOTE=Bart9000]I'm glad this came up. Been meaning to rant on the subject for awhile. Although I, like Cy am kind of kicking around the idea of "settling down", I consider "The Wedding" alone to be justification not to take an American girl. Spending a healthy five, or even SIX figure sum for the express purpose of showing off and one upping her girlfriends, in a game of materialistic stupidity.
I've seen guys marry Russian girls in a documentary. They go out to the banks of a whatever river runs through St. Petersburg, have the priest, conduct a ceremony, with a witness or two, and then run off somewhere to bang their pretty young hot new wife.
Now, I'm not quite so crass or whatever, as to do that exactly....only for fear of offending my own family by excluding attendance. But I think they have the right general idea.....Priest, scenery, a big tent, a band, and maybe a grand worth of booze. But you would never get away with that with an AW, who has been fetishizing "the day" since she was 6[/QUOTE]
Too bad I don't speak Russian and most Russian women aren't "down for the brown" if you know what I mean, otherwise I would have made the trip out there and come back with some "vodka" of my own.
" I really should have more control over things like this...." - Dr Martin Luther King on The Boondocks [adult swim]
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Too bad I don't speak Russian and most Russian women aren't "down for the brown" if you know what I mean, otherwise I would have made the trip out there and come back with some "vodka" of my own.
" I really should have more control over things like this...." - Dr Martin Luther King on The Boondocks [adult swim][/QUOTE]
With Romanian and especially Russian women, color has nothing to do with whether they'll go out with you, it's also about the big green(cash money).
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Recent Comments
Some recent comments have been made for, and against AW's. One guy said he'd met many that were kind, thoughtful, caring and just overall nice wonderful people...... blah blah blah! Whatever!
Of course there's lots of nice ones out there. I'm sure some of them are even fairly attractive as well as being fun to hang out with. But, under what circumstances....... and for how long? A lot of women are good looking when they're young. A lot of them are nice to young when things are good. But just wait 'till things start going wrong. Guess what? It's always the guys fault! I guarantee you that's how your "nice girls" will see things. We'll see how nice they seem after a year or two...... that's the real test.
As for getting married..... don't do it unless you absolutely want to settle down and have kids. Otherwise you're taking a really big chance with years of your life and piles of your money.
My own experience with marrying a foreign woman has been positive in an overall sense. However, it's been tough cutting back ( WAYyyy back) on my mongering activities.
I'd estimate your chances for success as follows:
Finding an average looking local girl and staying happily married....10 - 20%.
Finding a good looking local girl and staying happily married....10% or less.
Finding a good looking foreign girl and staying happily married.... 50% or less.
It's a crap shoot no matter what.... no 100% certainties no matter where you go. If you think that Russian women, or any other women are gonna be some kind of magic solution, you're wrong. Women are women everywhere. No matter which country you choose, your best bet will be to find one from a small town. Big City girls are usually a lot more spoiled and materialistic.
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Russian Women
Russian women might be pretty but man are they bruts.I've never dated one but I have been around a few (went to a russian owned barbering school) .Way too much man juice for my blood but your right they dont give a crap about you just your money.
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Hmm
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]With Romanian and especially Russian women, color has nothing to do with whether they'll go out with you, it's also about the big green(cash money).[/QUOTE]
I just left Romania about a week ago and have spent a tad more than a year in Russia and I can't agree with you. Russians are very nationalistic and quite racist. The men much more so than the women, but most of the women will not date a black and the vast majority of them won't be seen with you in public. They have a very low opinion of blacks in general...they also call blacks niggers and don't realize that it's offensive...Moscow is big enough where you can go to black clubs and find pretty girls though; however, that place is not safe for blacks. If you get caught in subway after a soccer match lets out you can easily be beaten and stabbed to death while the cops watch.
Romania isn't a whole lot better, but they will kiss your ass if they think that you are someone important. They are not violent and will rarely say anything to your face either. We have a base in Constanza and some of the black guys get an awkward reception when they romp around town with local girls. The Ramonkas don't say anything, but if looks could kill.
That being said, both Russian & Romanian students and Romanians abroad seem to be very open to interethnic dating.
Nevertheless, it seems like every Romanian chick who worked on a ship fucked with a brotha or three.
Belarusians seem to be a bit more open than Ukrainains and Russians. Also, in Russia, the Russian girls that are mixed (Jewish, Georgian, Kazak, etc) are sometimes more open-minded (and prettier) than the straight Slav Russians. Siberians are more open as well as Slavic Russians from Central Asia.
Of course, there are always exceptions.
Just my humble take.
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The facts pt.2
JD2004:
You wrote:
"There are lots of misleading generalizations presented here. For example, AW are fat. But this is at most arguable. The BMI measure of obesity in USA is between East and West Germany. The well off Middle Eastern countries is way more heavier. And Eastern Europe isn't far behind than USA. South America doesn't have statistics. If you really want thin women, Asia is the place as the percentage is in the low single digits."
Your statistics are worthless. The only thing that matters to the mongering public is the relative shape or obesity of girls between 18-30.... and in this category, US women lose badly. Sure there are plenty of hotties in the US... but they are statistically relatively few and for many guys "out of reach".
As for Eastern Europe not being far behind the US in terms of obesity, you obviously havent been there... or of you were, your eyes werent open. Trying to find a fat young girl im EE is really a difficult task... I am not kidding. If anything, the girls there are too skinny for many guys taste.
German girls are fatter than EE girls, but still comparitively thinner than US girls.
I had a chance to observe a group of US high school students on exchange in Germany.. the US girls were in an utter state of shock at how poorly they compared to the local girls. The local girls were much thinner, much better dressed and much more clued in to the ways of the world than their US counterparts.
Never forget that the US is an island. :)
I've travelled the world extensively and although generalizations and prejudices are often unfair or exaggerated, they are usually rooted in some common truth. As for American obesity... I am afraid that it is true.