unique in human experience
Yeah, we do a lot more than just bashing here, though to what purpose I’m not sure. Anyways, I’ve been waiting for a spot to introduce this. The “lack of consequences” complaint seems like as good a place as any.
Whether or not anyone else does, I find it interesting to look at the war between the sexes in a larger context. I don’t think many here have considered just how unique the current situation is. For the 150,000+ years of human existence the consequences for women were direct and profound - motherhood. This dictated their behavior and molded their biological instincts (natural selection). An equilibrium between men and women resulted.
1960 - the pill. Everything changed, literally overnight. Where there used to be unavoidable consequences, now there were none. I’m not even going to try to list all the implications, but quickly - a feeling of goddess like power and control, and with it a massive sense of entitlement.
(The industrial revolution in general has had some of the same effect, but that’s for another discussion.)
What’s going on now is unique in human experience. The equilibrium is gone. Women still have all the reactions and advantages they’ve always had, but with few of the natural restrictions. Us guys have lost ground just by not changing. Our bad luck. Much of the complaining going on here is the result of conditions no one has ever had to deal with until about 40 years ago.
If it makes you feel any better (it doesn’t make me), the girls are at least as confused about all this as we are.
Westernized Women aren't all the same...
I feel I have to add something here...
I have been talking to several German and Norwegian women here lately in preparation for my trip next month, finally.
There are several US bases around Germany and many of the soliders are foolish and irresponsible. I'm going to focus mainly on African-American soilders because the women I have been talking too only have contact with them. That's not to say other nationalities in our military are not doing the same thing...
American men are not totally without blame and I'm not going back on anything negative I have said about American women, but we can't generalize about all westernized women.
4 out of 6 girls I have talked too have had previous relationships with black soliders.
All of them have at least 1 child by those soliders, one with 2 and about to have another 1. The others have 1 or 2 kids.
Now that last one, I kicked her to the curb. Obivously she didn't learn after the 1st or 2nd one, so she's aint all that smart. I don't need to deal with that.
The others have been victims. I say victims because these soliders tell them anything they want to hear, they (the girls) fill their lonelyness with a relationship with a local girl and he dumps her just before getting released and moves back to the US. Leaving her with kids and no formal support and the military won't help them
Now it looks like only a few of these children were planned and I'm only getting 1 side of the story. However, none of these women know each other and I hear the same exact story almost word for word -
They hook up with a brotha, they get married (sometimes), have 1-3 children while he's stationed there. Once he's able to leave the army or whatever, many times these men have wives, girlfriends & children back in the states.
Of course the women don't know these things...
One in peculiar quit her German Gov job to be with a solider. Moved out to the US to be with him, when it didn't turn out like promised and he was lured back into the military, she went back to Germany to live with her folks and she cuts hair now. A far cry from her postion before. He fathered a terminally ill child with her, he's only seen once and doesn't pay any support.
Now I understand you can't have every local girl in germany comin up to the base to speak to the base commander about the "mistakes" of our own. But after all, the military does "clean up" after its own.
That's leaving alot of single parent households in Germany with children from American fathers, some who have never seen their father.
That's sad commentary about not only American men, but Black Americans. As a culture we do the same thing to American women, white, black, latina or asian.
So for "us" its a cultural thing. But its not like all men are responible for the things they do.
Im not here to rain on the bash women parade, but these are some very nice women that have been burned by a few tactless men and its going to be a hard decision narrowing it down to just one woman when that time comes.
Its not a game and they are being honest, and never asked me for anything and aren't looking for a free ticket back to the US, though universally they would like to come here as 100% have been here at one time or another and they almost always tell me I wouldn't like it in Germany anyway to live for several reasons.
I just felt I had to clear the air a bit. My trip is going to be the best thing I have ever done and I got some cuties. Should I add to VinceVoyeur's post that none of the girls Im talking too are heavier than 140lbs???
I would share pictures, however these are not part timers or anything like that and we don't know who reads these things.
Paradise is found overseas...
Most American men are too lazy to travel. Im serious, I couldn't get ONE person interested in going with me to Europe to be my wingman. When they ask why, I tell them American women aren't worth the effort. Some agree, some don't say anything but "oh" or "sounds like fun".
They are morrons.... Another thing these women tell me, now this might apply to only brothas, but that some of the local women in Germany literally "throw" themselves at the brothas in the clubs (there some negitives and positives to everything...). Now since Germany has become multicultural, its not just German girls, but Russians, Polish, Czehs, Turkish, etc, etc.
Maybe Im being foolish by doing my ground work before hand, but I'll find a way to get my mack on...
I have serious doubts that I will not be "forced" into any mongering duty on my trip, but as re-payment to the boards in general I will spend some time in some places to give a "newbie" report to those maybe too timid to try. I am from the school of thought that, if I can do this, so can you.