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LENIN, O-U-C-H! You hit the nail on the head dude! As much as I would love to change the situation we are in, change takes TIME, and time is a luxury we do NOT have. At least not the amount of time needed to put the necessary changes into effect. Therefore, we are left with the other, more immediate (and to some of us, the more POPULAR) choice: travel to other shores to fill our desires. OUTSIDE the US, we are afforded a clean slate on their turf. To a certain extent, we can bring that clean slate HERE, BUT we have to maintain the relationship through CONSTANT vigilance (letting her know UP FRONT that even though they are the recipient of our affections and courteous behavior, we will NOT put up with any bullshit that may negatively affect the balance of power through any manipulative actions on her part). Does that mean wieldign an iron fist? No. It just means being a gentleman, but FIRMLY standing your ground in letting her know what is and is NOT acceptable behavior. She has to know that women are like buses: another will be along in 15 minutes and it will serve the same purpose as the present bus you just let go. I'm starting to LIKE Russia and Romania a LOT! LOL
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Welcome Lenin,
What is your take on the numerous websites where Russian, Belarussian, and Ukranian women want to come to America. Are these legitimate? There must be a hundred sites with thousands of women listed who want to leave Russia. I've "read" that matters are almost untenable for women in Russia and the old Soviet states. Out of curiosity, I got on www.loveme.com and it seems that almost every woman on Rostov-on-the Don wants to get out of there.
I know some guys who have met and married a Russian woman via these sites and they are very happy. They indicate that the women are still women, care about their appearance, are family oriented, etc. Thanks.
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Lenin -
Thanks for your input. I read your post several times and think you are on the mark with your analysis.
What is your theory as to why American men upset this "balance" (or allowed it to happen). Is this just the natural evolution of an affluent society like ours? I have not travelled much in other first-world countries (find the less developed countries generally more interesting), but many men posting on W. European countries, for example, do not describe the terrible condition with women that is often mentioned with American(ized) women. Maybe other first-world countries are really somewhere between America and what you describe as the Russia of ten years ago?
Any thoughts on this?
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Interesting post, Lenin, though I'd quibble a bit with your historical take -- North Americans are hardly the inventors of capitalism (generally agreed to come from Europe in the middle ages) though I'd agree that Americans are the ones to raise turn it into a religion. And generally it's probably more proper to blame Hitler for the shift in societal roles, as women going into factories to work during World War II really dramatically marked the shift in roles and move of women into the workplace in this country. But your points are well taken.
Why is it that Europe isn't affected to the same extent as the US, given that capitalism is hardly a strange animal there? Or, given your examples, is this a basic difference between industrial and non-industrial societies as opposed to ideologies?
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Did I run into a real winner. This chick contacts me through email, don't know how she got it, but anyway she says she has an athletic body and even though she is older she says she looks young. So I of course demand a pic to prove it. She sends one and it isn't bad so I agree to hook up with her. We meet at a bar/restaurant and boy was she lying about her looks and body type, but true to my handle I dog it anyway, can't turn away a desperate freebie.
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darkseid,
it is interesting about sexual freedom groups to protest. i’’ll try to find something on internet.
jak and joe_zop, unbalance is probably major reason but it is not only one.
for example, america doesn’t have such old culture like europe,
the old strong culture could partially compensate negative impact of unbalance.
i notice, another problem is weak communication between men here in north america.
in russia men emotionally more connected and more trust to each other than here.
it helps them to control women.
i think in w. european countries men’s support not as good as in russia but still better than in us.
men in russia met with each other more often. there are much less social barriers there.
they more openly discuss about their relations with wifes, girlfriends and their sexual experience, share information about specific girls
about their behavior, tried to understand their real motive and interest and help with advices. i remember we prevented one man from bad marriage. one girl was too bitchy so we used our good relation with administrator and expelled her from student hostel. you can name this man’s mafia. girls afraid it and respect us.
paddy, it is funny i myself originally from rostov-on-the don.
i was on vacation there 1,5 years ago. i had 2 gfe there.
the mixture of russians and kozaks makes the girls in rostov-on-the don most beautiful girls in russia.
it is also probably most patriarchy place in russia. you got it right, women in rostov-on-the don treated by men more strictly than in moscow, for example. i remember my friends in rostov-on-the don were not very happy when i spend money with girls. they don’t like when i took my girlfriends in restaurant every evening although the restaurant was relatively chip. something like $15 for both including wine and lot of sea food.
they thought i was spoiling the girls. when i gave the money to my girls i didn’t tell about that to my friends. (it was difficult not to give money when you have pockets full of cash and she has nothing) otherwise my friends would be anger at me or thought i am sucker.
less money you spend for girl - more respect you get from local men
one of my girlfriends was 21, police officer trained in special police forces. she told me how she almost killed a man who ttempted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her. “may be i even killed him. i remember after i hit him it was blood on the snow and he looked like dead, i just run away.”- she told me.
paddy, if you know some guys who have met and married russian woman and they are very happy this is not going to be for very long.
russian girls could be even more bitchy than american. make no mistake about it.
they more educated than latin girls, they strong physically, and can absorb feminist garbage much faster. when they come here they become so exiting to have such big power to control the men.
it is the russian system and the russian men who make them sweet. i just afraid even think what could happen with me if i brought here my sweetie russian police officer. i knew one russian girl in toronto who beat her canadian husband. i went out with her one night. it was shocking for me to see how she rude to american men in the bars. she enjoyed showing me her power. “in russia i could never do such things “- she told me.” in russia the man could kill me for things, which i am doing here. in russia i always had to be polite even with stupid or drunk men. i fed up. here i can do whatever i want and men afraid me because i can call police. my husband ashamed to call the police when i beat him”- she laughed.
this girl likes north america. she never wanted go back to russia.
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Lenin, I agree with you that the American system does spoil the women. They have a lot more rights here in America than the men do. In fact, even if the foreign woman doesn't know her rights, she might meet some bitchy American girl that will tell her all about her rights to bully men and the American men's powerlessness here to do anything about it. The American system corrupts the women and turns them into bitches and prudes. I guess if I meet a girl in Russia that I should live there with her instead of bringing her back to America. Or I could test her to see if she would still love me if I moved to Russia with her.
Even when pros visit America, they jack up their prices when they go back to their land and try to charge a tourist the Ameircan price. One crazy nutcase in HELP discoteque in Rio charged R450 (or $150) for an all nighter when the rest of the women charged less than $100 (depending on how you negotiate). She explained she came to New York and they charged that price for those services. I immediately refused her for being overpriced. Instead I took home an all nighter for $80. The idiot that pays that would spoil the women in Brazil and they end up raising their prices.
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Lenin -
I've enjoyed your posts very much. After reading your two posts and going back to read the report that was originally written by Alex, it helps to raise the discussion level considerably.
America and Canada seem to suffer equally from the affliction of a "matriarchal society". Your main argument for why other industrialized/ affluent countries do not seem to suffer the burden that we North Americans suffer is because of a longer (and apparently more powerful) cultural tradition. I do not have a lot of first-hand experience with other first-world cultures, but what you present sounds logical. I was also wondering what you thought of our country as being so often referred to as "puritanical". Prostitution seems to be more accepted and less expensive in many first-world countries than in America. Does this have a big impact on the power relationship between the sexes in America? I am very interested in any of your ideas about the imbalance that occurs here.
You mention that American men also go overseas and spoil women. Why do we do this? Is it because we are so grateful to meet real women? I also noticed that you admitted guilt to this on your trip to Russia. After ten years here, you were giving money to Russian women even when you knew that your Russian male friends would be pissed off in a big way. How do you explain this?
You made an excellent point about Russian men communicating more with each other and offering support and ideas. This is what American women do all the time and American men do rarely. American men give each other "sound bites" at best for support. And when they get married or involved in a serious relationship, it is like they often disappear into a "black hole". Male friends are often only people you hang around with until you get hooked in a relationship, and then the female will gradually find ways to alienate his friends and isolate him (and men seem to happily accept this). I notice that many cultures do not practice this habit like we do. This gradual process of emasculation (as I call it) seems to be an oddity compared to most other cultures.
You gave an example of a Russian woman that came to Canada and became a total disaster. It was as if her "excitement to have power to control men" made her evil. Why do you think Russian women are so prone to be more bitchy than American women? You even made the statement to Paddy that the men he knows that married Russian women would soon be sorry (or to this effect). (I personally find Russian/Slavic women to be the most beautiful and desirable women, but I have also felt the enormous power behind the sweetness- five weeks in Russia last year). I agree with your analysis.
One final question - and I'm sorry that I take from you but do not add with all my questions - but how do you deal with American women? Now and in the last ten years?
Thanks in advance for your input!
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well....I can see after a brief vacation that all is as it was....and then you wonder why nothing changes...The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
...good luck...see y'all later.
from: THE HAPPIEST MAN ALIVE
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Miller2K, I hate generalizing from the states I've visited- Ohio, Michigan, Boston, Nevada, California, Washington State, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, and Connecticut, or the state I live in - New York, but what state do you live in? The American women are probably better there. If they are, I must go there and see for myself. Or you can see how horrible or overcautious the women in these states are. I still have't visited the other 40 States to make a fair judgement of them so I only say how the women are in these states. I find Boston to be the most racist, California and New York to be the most snobby and Nevada had a mix of good and bad women (I did meet a good one there).
I am planning to leave New York after getting another 3 years of experience so I could be marketable for jobs in other states. I should have at least 5 years of experience but I only have 2 (I wasted most of my 20s in Graduate school and ended up with a job that is not of my major). I am willing to do something different and change. I don't plan on staying here in NY just to complain about it but I have to work here for a few more years so I can get a job elsewhere. If there is a state in the US which is better than Nevada, give me some ideas. So far Nevada sounds good (but not for the mongering aspect).
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Miller2k lives in Mexico and thus does not have to worry about a lot of the stuff you are concerned with.
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If Miller2K does not live here in America and lives in Mexico then he has no right to judge anyone on this forum. He probably doesn't know how bad it gets here in America with the women. I personally would rather be stuck with an overly passive Mexican than a greedy, controlling, and prudelike American woman. If he moves his ass to America, the women here would change him from the "happiest man alive" to the "most miserable man alive"!
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the feminist movement is a (mostly healthy) reaction to patriarchy, although there's definitely an element to it which is vengeful and hateful and which vilifies men to an absurd extent while infantilizing women as hapless victims. this whole gender war business is nonsense and counterproductive. the enemy isn't the opposite sex; it's men and women both who oppose sexual freedom. decriminalize prostitution and everyone except for prudes will be happy, and even the prudes will be ok once they realize that freedom smooths out everything.
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Jack, thanks for your interest
This is just to answer one of your questions:
Why Russian women can to be more bitchy than American.
Others I’ll post later
Russia had long history of violence.
To occupied and control such huge territory with 150 nationalities was not easy. Hundreds of wars, 300 years Mongol slavery, Totalitarism, Starvations. Riots and Revolutions. Man fight all the time and when he came home after all those killing, tired and angered he wanted nothing but full submission from his Russian wife.
To survive his aggression she must be very skilful and learn how counterattack her husband. If you see Happy Sweetie Russian Face it is just façade to disarm her husband.
Behind this façade is wild animal who carefully watching you,
learning your weaknesses and just waiting for the first attack to test your ability to defend yourself.
I am usually waiting for the first symptoms and then just switching to another girlfriend
If you want longer relationship you need to be dominant. Try to be tough with Russian girl and you will see how she respects you and loves you more and she will follow you forever. Never show her what you afraid her, anyway in most cases she never go to police like American women. It is just the way the Russian girls were educated. If you let her dominating, you’ll make serious mistake. She will become confused in the beginning, and then exciting to have power, stop respecting you, become crazy and bitchy, and eventually destroys you and your relationship.
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Actually, Chinese women are the same way. However, the Chinese men in China are much more controlling than the ones in China. I would compare myself to Mister Rogers compared to a Chinese guy overseas. Also, once Chinese women come to America, they want to be 100% sure they marry a man they can control so they marry outside their race. Some of them avoid the Asian guy unless they know he can be controlled. The ones stuck in China seem more submissive because they are stuck in a system where the women MUST be submissive to their husbands. My mother seems totally the opposite of the foreign Chinese woman because she lived in this country since she was a teenager but had to come from Canada at first. When I was at China, I see most of the time the Chinese girl serving the husband and sticking to him thick and thin. In America, I see Chinese women getting into arguments with her husband and getting divorces. This also happens in Hong Kong as well because the British system spoils the women just as much as the American women. So I see what Lenin is talking about in that it is the system that makes the women the way they act.