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Smut villain,
Well said. We pretty much have the exact same theory. Seriously, we guys really need to lobby in order to legalize prostitution. If any one starts the movement, I will be happy to pay a handsome amount in its support. Collectively, we can at least make a statement.
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Gentlemen,
A couple of comments on the recent discussions.
1. Legalizing prostitution: from a punter point of view, legalization means little, the social stigma remains. I suppose the best reason for legalization is to get these ladies paying taxes and more importantly covered by some kind of social safety net, not to mention putting pimps either out of business, or forced to provide employee benefits. In places where prostitution is legal and/or tolerated openly, prices are not lower, nor higher than anywhere else per se. What somebody pays in Michigan for quickie car BJ would pay for a long luxurious night with a fine young CIS lady in Dubai. The market always rules.
2. The "American woman" syndrome: I have never ceased to be amazed by the huge number of American ladies who are convinced they are just too hot. They base this upon the attention received at the bar/disco or whatever. Now gentlemen, you and I both know that men (in a bar for example) will pay outrageous attention to almost any lady they are convinced they will end up with in bed with. Fact of life. I have chatted with some young co-workers who were waxing poetic about how the men were flocking to them etc. and they were brought up rather short when I tactfully pointed out that said gentlemen were not interested in their stunning personalities or accomplishments. The smart ones realize I am right. Consider gents, what your attitude would be if every time you went into a bar, five or six ladies made serious attempts to chat you up. I mean every time. And we wonder where the arrogance comes from.
Just an opinion.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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The other night, I was in a disco in Thailand and there was this semi-fat American chick up on one of the platforms making an obscene spectacle of herself. She was flailing about because she couldn't dance for shit. Yet, you could tell she had this attitude like she thought that her shit was fucking perfume.
Sad thing was that, on the same platform, right next to her were two 95lb hotties with good shapes that were pretty good dancers. You just knew looking at the three, two of them would be fantastic fuck partners and would cost a whole hell of a lot less. Made the spectacle quite pathetic.
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My 2 cents' worth:
"Consider gents, what your attitude would be if every time you went into a bar, five or six ladies made serious attempts to chat you up. I mean every time. And we wonder where the arrogance comes from."
Too true, Sporadic, way too true. But my question to you is this: I still wonder why mostly Western women are afflicted with this syndrome. When I was living in Latin America, I _never_ saw this kind of shit going on; only in the States! What's your take on that? (Incidentally, you're right about the legalization's effect on prices; one only needs to head down to Tijuana, Mexico to see the result for himself)
And regarding PurpleNGold's observation: I think maybe this chick was sooo used to being the center of attention, that she didn't realize that she was out of her league (compared to her nearby competition). Not just in looks, either.
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Hey Guys!
A little parallel observation regarding my best friend (a chick). I don't mean to bash her 'cos she's cool (she likes to hang out and drink and do guy stuff with me at times) but being an American Woan, she too is of the school of thought: "Guys should flock just to eat my shit!" Now, a retort regarding why she is WAY delusional. From what I gather, she must be decent in bed, BUT, she has an ass that one could literally put a drink on and it wouldn't fall off. It's THAT LARGE. Her youth has fled her (she's still "relatively" young at 40) but what were once huge and probably quite firm tits are now falling victim to Gravity. "Resistance is FUTILE" LOL All this (in addition to an attitude that men are on earth to serve HER) and she STILL thinks she can command the attention that a hot commodity brings!
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S.M.,
Dude! That's just WRONG! Does she not realize her "market value" started dropping about 10 years ago? Not to rag on your friend, but I'll bet in her mind she's still under 30.
Sometimes there is a such thing as "too much confidence"- especially when it (apparently) isn't warranted.
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I completely believe that market rules. But market rules only if it has a free and efficient environment. While being illegal, the price is not quite dictated by the quality / demand, as long as prostitution goes. Obviously, I am willing to pay a way more to a julia roberts looks like than to a crack h**. The good thing about legalization is: we would know exactly how much we will have to spend to get laid for a given quality of the pro. Going out, buying drinnk, put up with shit of those semi-fat women but I think I am toohot could be expensive. If we can get laid with a thin prosituture legally without any hassle, why will we bother going through all the shit with those semi-fatties? We wont. And exactly then, those semi-fatties will loose their attitude.
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Gentlemen:
I've seriously been enlightened with the past several postings, particularly the concept of the kitty as currency. I absolutely 100,000,000% couldn't agree more.
BRILLIANT! :-)
I've had the opportunity to visit other countries (Japan, Thailand, Brazil, Germany, Mexico, China, Singapore (ah well, at least it's a city-state!), etc.). And in every single one of these places, I have never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever come across any woman with the hang-ups that are the birthright of American Women.
I'm going to Germany in the first week of June for a friend's wedding. It's in a teeny-tiny town right on the French border.
Two words: HELLO KITTY!!
-- L.
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Another quote by Bakuram:
"If we can get laid with a thin prosituture legally without any hassle, why will we bother going through all the shit with those semi-fatties? We wont. And exactly then, those semi-fatties will loose their attitude."
Dude, that's EXACTLY the point I was making with my "pussy as currency" rant.
You can either wine and dine some pig, buy her some fucking trinket, and MAYBE you'll get some (after some profuse goddess worship); OR shell out a couple of bills to a shapely hooker, and be GUARANTEED to get some. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which is more cost-effective.
When you think about it in those terms, practically ALL American women are prostitutes to one degree or another; they all expect you to pay in return for putting out.
The only difference is just a matter of how much.
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Dudes, I was listening to a radio talk show hosted by Tom Likas (I hope I spelled his last name right!) and some broad called in and said "...in the end, all guys pay for it". That's true; we can either pay for it EVERY DAY by putting up with their shit, and thereby shortening our lives with the misery they cause us OR we can pay for it up front and BOTH parties can agree right then and there what is expected of the other. In the former scenario, HAPLESS GUY gets laid every once every so often while more often than NOT he has to take her shit because he feels said chick is the only "supply" available. In the latter scenario, said SMART GUY gets to "get his" and after he gets it, the chick is gone and he can enjoy the rest of his day WITHOUT putting up with her crap. Smart Guy knows that this broad is NOT special, because as Tom Likas said (and this line was brilliant and funny as Hell) "You are NOT special. Just because you have something between your legs that makes you FEEL like you ARE special, you're NOT. In fact, HALF THE WORLD HAS ONE BETWEEN THEIR LEGS, and if you don't want to give it up, the guy is gonna leave you in a cloud of dust and go to someone who WILL".
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Smut Villain et al.
My take on the "only American women are like this" business:
I was married to an American woman many, many years ago. She was not a bad person but was completely caught up in the "men pay attention to me in the bar" bs. My eyes opened after extensive travel and living outside the US for two and half decades.
[b]Old world values[/b]. Simply that. IMHO, in most of the rest of the world men are still treated as titular heads, due certain consideration.
In many countries, a young lover was the successful manīs due, indeed many wives looked at it as a relief from demanding duty. Always with discretion.
My European wife is a very liberalized, full time professional. It would never cross her mind to bust my chops (or balls) in public or private. If there are issues to be discussed, they are discussed. Understand, we have spats, but it is always within the context of a certain respect.
She is aware, deep down, as are most women (excepting American) that a middle aged man can find replacement company much easier than a middle aged woman. Fair? No. Fact of Life? Yes.
If you are looking for 30-something ladies, look no further than Europe. There are many who chose careers or are divorced and every single man their age simply chooses a younger lady to marry.
Again, these are my personal observations, but rest-of-the-world women seem much less delusional than the USA versions.
As for the physical side, again the social status quo permits an OBFM to be acceptable, not so the ladies. Not fair, fact.
Solution: Let every young American man spend at least two years in another country/culture. You would hear the heads popping out of asses like the "shot heard round the world." When I am in the US and a flirting cow tries her act on me, I just chuckle and shake my head. Who the [i]hell[/i] do they think they are? Patent holders on the Vagina?
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Sinanju Master,
I would put your comments in context. Are you looking for a wife or sex?
My wife does not make my life miserable, if she did, I would leave her. Nor do I "put up with her shit." Having said that I have no desire to be in a LTR with a walking vagina.
As for sex, that is another story. Apples and Oranges.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Sorry, Sporadic, for not putting it into context. I meant what I said from the point of view of the UN-married. If I ever got married, I'd make DAMN SURE ahead of time that she wouldn't pull a "Sybill" on me by adopting another personality that I knew nothing of. That's why I like to observe people when they're not looking (not putting up their "good face" to the public at large) because it is THEN that they act their true selves.
As for your wife, with whom you seem to be reasonably happy, I salute you for making a choice that seems to have benefitted your life AND not made you grumble and seek escape.
I'm ALWAYS looking for Sex. As far as a Wife goes, that endeavor takes a LOT of investigative work (passive and aggressive) and time to see if it's an act or the real thing. I don't really see me ever getting hitched to an American woman because I would more than likely have a secret bank account unbeknownst to her in order to possess an "escape route" in case her Inner Gold-digger/psycho ***** came out to reside PERMANENTLY. I've seen and heard of TOO MANY American women devoting their lives to wringing a man DRY after things go downhill. A good example is a post I submitted a long time ago. My ex-best bud met his now EX in December 1995, proposed on Valentine's Day 1996 (excuse me while I vomit) and got MARRIED in MAY of 1996! I made a wager with one of his sisters that the marriage wouldn't last 6 months. I got $20 richer for that. Come to find out that my bud WASN'T hubby #2, but hubby #4!!!!! AND..... after they got divorced, she wanted HIM to pay for the removal of her fake tits AND she tried to sue him in order to have HIM pay for debts she incurred BEFORE they were married! Is that fucking GALL OR WHAT?? This is just one example of the horrors of not doing one's homework.
In the area of matrimony, I just require a chick that has a good head on her shoulders, has integrity, is pleasing to the eye, and isn't about playing mind games.
Yes, Sporadic, Apples and Oranges, but I hope that cleared things up.
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Sinanju Master,
No need for an apology, indeed if you think one was required, then I must have posted badly. I was putting your comments into [b]my[/b] context.
If anyone out there has a LTR with someone who is 100% sexually compatible (tastes, frequency etc.) [b]and[/b] is an excellent partner, well, I congratulate them.
As for being single, enjoy yourself, and I do not think you are being the least bit paranoid in setting up a fiscal escape net.
Not my problem, thank goodness, but I would certainly be wary nowadays.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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About 18 years ago, I was talking to this guy at a bar in the Miami airport & he told me that his marriage was set up like a business. He was an accountant and his wife did something else in the financial services industry (stock broker or something). He had been married for over 20 years & had raised 3 children. He said that when he and the wife got together, they were rather nervous about marriage because all their friends were going through nasty divorces within the first 3 years of their marriages. So, they made a business plan for their marriage (I think they would call it a pre-nuptial agreement now), where they agreed that all income would be divided up in specific ways - they both got an equal percentage, the rest went into a family fund that they used to pay all the bills. The idea was that "since it was inevitable" that they'd get divorced, they would set it up in the beginning to make the distribution easier.
The kids were taken care of by the family fund until they were out of highschool. The kids college funds came from the two of them chipping into an investment account at the tune of $100 per month per kid from the time they were born until their 18th birthday. He said that these funds were fairly hefty by the time the kids turned 18 due to good investment choices. Once the kid turned 18, they were given full access to the account and told that they had to move out of the house by the end of the summer after they graduated from highschool - college was up to them, they were paying 100% of their own way. If they chose to forgoe college and buy a Maseratti instead, it was their choice.
I was rather shocked by the last part, but he said he had one kid who had just graduated & the other two were well on their way. He and the missus were still together and never argued about money, since they had their own accounts which essentially had the same input due to the way they divided things up.
I suppose if they divorced, they would still have to haggle over the common property and the family fund, but their personal accounts would be off limits.
I don't know if his wife was American or not, I never met her, but I assumed that she was. Every time I've thought about getting hitched or ever wound up being with the same woman for more than a couple of nights, this guys story pops into my head - seems like the best way to handle the greedy ******!
CW