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Sinanju,
Actually the whole time limit thing was my idea. I got the inspiration for the idea from unemployment insurance. If the marriage isn't forever, then why should the support payments be? Even more so if the divorce proceedings are initiated by the woman.
Of course all the feminists and women's rights people will start yacking about how this would mean some women might be stuck in terrible marriages. Afraid to file for divorce because they can't do without the husband's support. But that was the whole idea behind the time limit anyways. They get out, get back on their feet or find someone else.
I figure two or three years of support payments would be a pretty generous term. Of course support payments for the kids (if any) would be a separate matter.
Rock
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CW, I feel that women are basically equal to men and should get off their fat lazy asses and support themselves INSTEAD of bleeding a man dry like they are so willing to do. The courts' view of women as helpless creatures who need the financial support of men is outrageous. So let me get this straight: Society says that women ae EQUAL to men BUT when they split up, MEN have to keep SUPPORTING someone who is EQUAL to her spouse? Give me a fucking break! Why don't the courts just admit that they want to fuck men in the ass for the perceived injustices against women for the last 5 millenia?
Oh yeah, I was listening to a song that I heard back in the EARLY days of MTV that runs along the thought train of this board. I hope Jackson allows it to be posted. Here it is, for those of you who know of the Canadian band named Triumph.
SAY GOODBYE
Got a lot on my mind I want to tell you
I don't know where to start
You're gettin' way outta line I want to tell you
You're actin' too damn smart
This little game you're playin'
Has lost its fun somehow
You had me goin' but I figured it out
An' I'm not playin', I'm not playin' now
CHORUS:
Say goodbye, I'll be leavin' in the mornin'
Nothin' you can do to make me stay
Say goodbye, I'll be leavin' in the mornin'
Say goodbye, it's the only thing to say
Then I'll be on my way
Little girl, dressed to kill
I see through your disguise
You wanna be big time but you never will
Cuz I see through all your lies
You say you're somethin' special
Well you talk a real good game
But now the party's over
An' you just don't sound
You just don't sound the same
CHORUS
Don't say you love me
Don't say you need me
CHORUS
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Did you guys see this? A guy climbed the wall at Buckingham Palace to protest a court decision keeping him from seeing his kids. Apparently his wife has kept him from seeing his two kids for four years! Looks like the women have all the rights in British court, just like in the U.S.
LS
I'll admit, judging from his costume, he looks a little kooky, but I believe his cause is valid.
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The only way to start making changes in the problems of marriage is to change the culture. To all you men out there, if you have friends out there who are unfortunate enough to decide they want to get married, you should preach against marriage and lay out all the factual lowlights and pitfills, if only to give the guy some doubt. If he marries anyway, he deserves whatever happens to him. If any man under 30 came to me telling me they want to get married, I would preach against it till the bitter end. So far every couple that I've known where one or both parties is under 30 have gotten married, they all ended up getting divorced.
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MP,
my bud, who got divorced from his conniving ex-wife got married AGAIN!! This broad earns more than him, yet when they were dating, she expected HIM to pay for everything even though the poor guy was paying child support for TWO kids! She also expected a wedding ring that had to be AT LEAST ONE KARAT! She also disagreed with the choice of location where they currenty live. She feels ther area isn't as safe as where she used to live. Actually, where they live is somewhat upscale. Also, it's been 5 months since I or any of our other friends have visited this guy, since she has effectively strangled his social life. You're right though; he deserves any Hell that he's gonna catch, because I told him that this doesn't feel right (all the aforementioned red flags). I'm several years older than he, but when walking down the street, people guess that HE is older, because Life is just sucking him dry...
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Greetings all,
Here's a link to an interesting article. I had mentioned in an earlier post how divorce lawyers on both sides like get their clients (suckers?) worked up and ready to dig in for a hard fight.
It seems there is another alternative called divorce mediation. Choosing this option has several benefits, one of them being that lawyers are partly cut out of the deal. There's only one instead of two. If anyone wants to find out a little bit more, here's the link.
http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/divorce/mediat.html
If your marriage has gone south, just tell your future ex-wife that you want to do things this way because it will save you both a lot of money on lawyers' bills. Who knows, she may actually go for it and you're less likey to get ANALysed in court.
FYI
Rock
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Sinanju,
Those lyrics you posted were pretty good. There was another Canadian band called Trooper that came out with a pretty good song way back when. It was called 3 dressed up as a 9. It's about ho-hum looking women who think they're the shit, even when nobody else does. It goes like this;
Hey wait a minute who do you think you are?
Coming on coming on like you're some kind of movie star
Wearing twelve hundred dollars, decollettay
You looked a whole lot better to me from 20 feet away
You're just a three dressed up as a nine
You're only wasting my time
A three dressed up as a nine
Hey hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey hey hey
And socially, you know you fit in just right
But as for me, I'm gonna have to pass tonight
Well you can say what you like; be what you wanna be
You can suit yourself baby but you can't suit me
repeat first verse....
repeat last 2 lines of 2nd verse
Hey wait a minute hey wait a minute
Hey wait a minute who do you think you are?
You're nothin' but a 3 dressed up as a 9
Man, they could never come out with a song like that these days. All the women's groups would be having a fit. Oh, wait a sec, I forgot about rap (b*tches, ho's etc.). I guess they probably could after all :).
Rock
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Feminazis rejoice! It seems your supreme leader, Oprah, had a few million to throw away, so this is how she rewarded some of her loyal subjects:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040913/en_afp/us_media_oprah_people_040913215238&e=2
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MP, I saw that broadcast and was genuinely shocked. I don't begrudge anyone getting a new car, but it's kinda like you said: rewarding her loyal subjects. I wanted to also see that guy who sneaked onto the grounds of Buckingham Palace, but I missed it.
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Mystic,
As a fellow Oprah hater I read your post with great interest. I immediately check out the story to see what was going on. It turns out that she DIDN'T spend a nickle of her own money on that whole deal.
Pontiac wanted to market the new Grand Am G6 to female buyers. They figured a good way to get some big publicity was to do the giveaway thing on Oprah's show.
She gets to look like Miss generosity and it didn't cost her a dime, pretty smart. I also find it interesting that Pontiac, by their choice, has implicitly acknowleged the extent of Winfrey's influence on women by going along with her on the giveaway.
Anybody ever look at who's in the audience on that show? Lot's and lot's of women, and a few of the most pussified men you've ever seen.
Rock
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As far as Oprah goes, I noticed a picture on the front page of Tuesday's USA Today, and Oprah was one of the skinniest people in the pic. What does that tell you?
BTW this leads me to a question, who in America is the biggest negative influence on women? What I mean is, people that give the kind of enpowerment to the kind of women that we bash consistently in this forum.
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Mystic,
You raised a pretty good point there. Personally, I don't think it's a matter of who is a negative influence, but what. By "empowerment", I'm assuming you mean the way they think that they can realistically fulfill all of their expectations.
One obvious thing to look at is the high standard of living that we have here. Another is the fact that women can get educated fairly easily and then go out and get a decent job if they want. Womens' rights don't exactly help a lot either.
Any time a bunch of women decide to get together and lobby about something in todays politically correct climate, we all bend over and give them whatever they're whining about. I know this is gonna sound like I'm a caveman here, but I think we really f****d up big-time when we allowed them to vote in the early 1900's.
Just look what happened soon after that. I'm pretty sure that prohibition must have been something that a bunch of women dreamt up. Most of the laws against prostitution date back to around then as well. Guess the ladies didn't like the idea of competing against someone younger, prettier and less expensive.
Take a look at some other countries where things are different. There's usually a lower standard of living. Also there still tends to be a male-dominated culture, and there's no such thing as political correctness. In these countries, women are still women and men are still men.
I don't think there's any chance we'll ever get back to the good old days unless some sort of major social upheaval occurs. My advice is to look our for yourself. Let somebody else waste their time and their life on these women. Go get yourself a good one from somewhere else.
I bet if enough guys started doing this, the women would all get together and lobby against it because they know they wouldn't stand a chance.
Rock
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[b]Oprah and Pontiac:[/b]
Stated value, 7 million US. Cost to Pontiac, probably 85% of that, 5,95 million. How much would they have had to spend on a nation-wide ad campaign to get that kind of exposure?
The General is just not that stupid. Oprah gets another ego injection (and publicity) and Pontiac gets direct marketing and endorsement in front of "American women" from the queen of "you deserve everything" herself.
Pretty slick actually.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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This is a quote by CashWorks in another board and hits the fucking nail on the head! It further reinforces the fact that when women speak of "reciprocation", they mean "YOU give to ME and I'll THINK (translation: the thought will pass my mind quicker than a politician covering his ass) about returning the favor.
"Prostitution is the only honest way to get laid". In our society and in most countries around the world that I've had the opportunity to visit, whether it's a clear cut case of P4P or a "normal" relationship (theoretically not P4P), the man is expected to pay - the difference between the two is that Prostitution is brutally honest - "you pay me $$ & I provide the following services", where the "normal" relationship has no clearly defined rewards - many women will tease you along with promises of sexual favors that may or may not be delivered - it's virtually guaranteed, however that you won't get laid if you don't spend any money on her or do loads of favors, etc.
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CW, I hope you didn't mind my using your quote
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Guys,
I just read the latest posts regarding womens' use of the "carrot and stick" approach when it comes to sex. Couldn't agree more!
I call this type of woman a "soft" prostitute. The thing that makes her a prostitute in my mind is that she's only doing it with you because she's received something beforehand. Without time effort and money from our end, we get nada.
I use the term "soft" because, unlike a "hard" prostitute, these women don't take the reward for their services right there and then. The connection btw reward and service may be less direct, but it's still there. Maybe it's a nice dinner, some clothes, jewelry or even a trip, but we still have to pay them (in some form) or they'll move on to the next guy without hesitation.
Contrast this to the attitudes of women from other countries. In Cuba, I got laid, no questions asked. I paid the girl after with whatever I thought was fair and they were happy to have things that way.
There was another lovely (non-pro) that I'd visited for a couple of weeks. We must have done it twice a day every day I was there. I talked to her on the phone and told her I was only like that because I knew we didn't have a lot of time together. So, I wanted to reassure her that I didn't want be pushy or demanding. Her response? "Oh no, that's fine" she said, " I give you as much as you need, I don't want you to have to go to someone else."
Can anyone imagine getting that kind of answer from any women around here? No? I didn't think so either. Our women don't like to think of themselves as wh***s, but they sure do know how to operate like one.
Rock