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. . . . And if Tylan05 would only return, we could be "truely enlightened". Maybe it's only me, but in my book, you can't criticize American women until you have mastered the English language. How can you score if you can't talk to them? And before you talk about fat, I need to see what YOU are offering. I know too many losers, fat themselves, who criticize women's looks despite their own sad appearances. Those who score with American women (50 million guys?) are busy doing it while the rest can only bbitch about it. Please! Give us some insight or give us a break . . . -P
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Yes Macoutssomethingorother?... this forum does appear to have hit a flat spot as of the moment... do share your monumental, earth-shattering thoughts of the day, and we will be sure to show the proper reverence for them. Oh, and yes... Dear Abby has some issues.
I would say that there is too much "bashing" that goes on in the US, period... not just on this board. Both men and women, fat and thin, are guilty of it. It seems to be an integral part of being human, although in the US it seems to have gained more of an accepted genre to it. I'm sure all of us have been subjected to some sort of discrimination in our lives... I, for being on the thin average looking side... RN for being an attractive SW... Dickhead for being a... well... Dickhead.
So... rather than sound like a pretentious, self absorbed prick I will pass the soapbox over to Macout... and, as Fraiser says... "I'm listening"...
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Yes Proko... what ever happened to Tylan? He was a prick... but at least he had an opinion and didn't just criticise.
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Hello FedUp,
I accept your invitation to say something but I don't have anything new or insightful to say right now so you may have to wait a bit. It is not my nature to spout off a continuous stream of babbling prattle just because I enjoy what I have to say. I've leave that up to geniuses like you and CBGB. Don't get me wrong... I really am impressed by guys like you who really are impressed with themselves.
Thanks for your support.
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Guys,
This section started as a space to bash American women (after a pissed off American woman spouted lots of nasty things about American men in the Thailand section of the old forum). Once things cooled off and the Thailand posters forgot about it, this section turned into an intelligent discussion on the difficulties of dating (or more specifically, getting laid). There was lots of interesting information being shared and I think it was probably to the benefit of everyone here.
This latest discussion...how fat women are and how stupid each individual poster is in the mind of other posters...is certainly not benefiting anyone. Maybe we need two separate sections? One about dating/getting laid and one called "101 reasons why I hate chicks...period"? I know saying this will just start a constant stream of flameage in my direction, but honestly...the bitterness and anger that all of you have been directing at each other lately is beneath you all. Do we really want this section to go back to a place to bash American women AND each other??
Sorry...just my two cents...
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We need to create another section dedicated totally to foriegn women. Especially those in Europe, South America, and East Asia, which seem to be the most open places in the world for a traveler to find love. The evolution of the American women is occurring so rapid that most of the women I see aren't much differrent from men. Every time I go abroad I get reminded of this when I see and meet some real women. I think George Lucas knows something, living in America its like the real life version of Attack of the Clones, or in this case Attack of the Fat Overweight American Feminazis. Speaking of Lucas he was seen in Cannes, France with a gorgeous unnamed French beauty. She must have showed him the true ways of the force. The force is with him!!
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Well, the sections about which women are best for short and long-term relationships have at times had exactly that kind of discussion about foreign women (other times it's people making lists.) This thread does tend to have a lot more mindless bashing going on -- very little discussion about, for example, why American women behave the ways they do as opposed to other women, or what differences there are by locale and so on. At least a part of this is because any time someone starts something like that, they get shouted down by cries of "they're all fat! ugly! mean! self-asbsorbed! materialistic! b*tches!" and a personal anecdote as opposed to actual discussion of the point.
RN, I pretty much agree with you, but I think this thread is probably just going to ebb and flow based on a) someone bringing up a specific issue or question and b) who tends to post. Tylan is a good example -- when he was posting, the only discussion at all that went on here were long diatribes about fat people and his opinions about how horrible they were, and people's responses to him. When USbabe was posting here there was some small back and forth until she was driven out. Now, because CBGB wishes he were in Europe with the woman he misses, that tends to be the song that gets played over and over and over. This thread started out as a place to b*tch and moan, as opposed to one where information would be exchanged, and that's pretty much what it's remained.
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Ok I guess its getting boring but all hope is not lost for those stuck in North America, there's some great fun to be had at our two friendly neighbors, Mexico and Canada. I've read a lot about Montreal, Quebec's scene. In addition I've heard some incredible tales about trips accross the border to Mexico in Matamaros or Tijuana. Ok you want to know why I really don't care about American women?? Ok I could probably write volumes about it but let me give you one example. In Paris last summer I was riding the Metro(the European term for subway), I was sitting on a bench waiting for the next train. Then I see an attractive French women sit next to me in the station. I noticed that she was looking at me. I'm from New York and I never make eye contact with others, but this French lady suddenly looked directly at me, I winced away shyly and then she looked at me again and smiled. She asked if she could smoke next to me, I didn't mind, I was actually surprised that she would ask for my permission. Then a conversation ensued. She initially thought I was a Spaniard,(BTW I am part Mexican). She was in her 20's and spoke fairly good English. The train arrived and we spoke some more, she gave me her number to call her and later on we got together. This from a total stranger, she wasn't at all afraid of me and it was actually quite the opposite. This didn't happen to me all the time in Europe that a friendly glance led to something more but for some reason I got so many friendly and warm glances from women, and heck not just women but men too(I'm not implying anything about that) I guess the woman on the Paris subway found me intriguiging and wasn't shy about it. Now lets take this to New York City, my lovely home(that's sarcasm). Nobody talks to a total stranger in a public in this town. Enlightened by the friendly attitudes I encountered in Europe I decided to show that attitude back home. One day in late August 2001, I was waiting for the train to midtown(this was when I returned from Europe) and I noticed a woman looking directly at me. I tried to use the technique the brunette in Paris used, I just smiled in response and then she replied coldly, "Yes, do I know you???". I said "No." and shrugged my shoulders. Then she replied hotly "Then why are you looking at me?? Don't fucken look at me." *****. I don't know what this woman on the Manhattan subway's problem was but she initiated the eye contact I was just simply minding my own business. Reality hit me that this is not Europe and that people are a lot colder here. This is what USBabe refered to as 'guarded behavior'. Its this 'guarded behavior' that I just can't stand in American ladies.
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CBGB -- good story, but NYC is also a special case unto itself, and not completely representative of the rest of the country. New Yorkers in general try to take hostility to a new art form. Where I grew up eye contact isn't all that unusual, but at times I've walked around NYC with folks I know and they have asked me if I was trying to get into a fight or to intimidate people. When I ask why I'm told that no one just walks down the street actually looking at other people; you're supposed to avoid eye contact, keep your head down, and make clear you're minding your own business.
Don't get me wrong -- I actually really like NYC, and have had at least fifty or sixty trips there in the past half-dozen years, and have a whole bunch of friends there. But it's definitely got its own rules and attitudes, and in general they're not geared toward being socially friendly. And that's true regardless of the sex of the person involved.
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Yes... I would agree RN... there's no sense bashing each other... unless one of us truly deserves it
Proko said... "Those who score with American women (50 million guys?) are busy doing it while the rest can only bbitch about it."
You're probably right on in that estimation. So, to rein things back onto AW... what are the other 100 million doing wrong? Miller was a great expounder of the view (and I agree) that you can't find undamaged goods if you're damaged goods yourself. But then, we're all damaged in some way... so where's the problem? Jerry Springer's folks always seem to find each other (which is rather funny as I'm currently in the search for a, cough, "manufactured" home of my own). Maybe our/my problem is that we always seek to attain something better than what we can afford.
Or maybe I'm just repeating shit that's been said before.
A new topic: How to pick up AW... here's a couple of my observations:
Bullshit:
Bullshit should be a required subject in school. Those who are best at making shit up and "embellishing" seem to do the best in life. This is as true for business/politics as it is in dating. AW do it; look at the wonderbra. If she can overstate her "assets" then I think I should be able to overstate my profession. For example: I'm not a Janitor... "I'm a Sanitary Engineer baby, I oversee a crew of five"... purposely leaving out that my crew of five are actually mop buckets.
Money:
Pick a bar and only go there once every two weeks. Throw money around like you've got two more stacks waiting at home. Find two other dudes who look like fun and buy them rounds of drinks. Once you all start howling like dogs the girls will want to see what's going on and will come over... lavish them with drinks too. Chances are high that once she's drunk enough she's yours for the night. Bonus: If you're good with your bullshitting skills then you should be able to keep her around for a few more nights of fun... or until she's sober enough to realise you're driving a Hyundai.
Who else has some ideas?
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Fed-Up,
Your post tells be a lot about you and how you perceive women. You clearly are confused and bewildered by these creatures and your sole approach is to lie about who you are and what you do in order to trick them into liking you - if only for one night.
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First question: Do you want a GF or only get laid? This forum explains how to get laid anywhere in the world. It costs between $10 and $300 depending where you live and what you want. It is cheaper, more reliable and will take less time and energy than searching for a GF. Some men are wired in such a way that this is REALLY the best route. Most want more. Don't confuse a PRO with a GF or a GF with a PRO. Two completely different ideas. You can have BOTH - but life without a GF or wife is not very satisfying for the vast majority of men.
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Once you have decided you want a GF, give-up the idea of getting laid upon meeting or on the first date or two. You are making an investment in time and energy to find a suitable life partner. View it as if you are interviewing for jobs. You have to convince her and she has to convince you. There will be MORE than enough time to screw her later. Don't assume she is dumber (or smarter) than you. Assume she wants more or less the same things as you - Love, great sex, companionship, adventure, entertainment and some sense of security. Women younger than 21 or 22 are often quite silly and unrealistic - true in ALL cultures. I would recommend meeting women 24 and up, even if you are only 21 or 22. In fact for young guys, I think the best prospects are divorced women 25-35. They no longer have that "princess" syndrome or the dreaded "White Dress Fever" More experienced and realistic after their break-up, they will appreciate you more and will exhibit less irrational behavior. Their expectations are lower and they're better in bed.
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Once you have identified such a woman - in a bar, nightclub, disco, church, gym - you must separate her from her pack or herd and pursue her individually. None of this 3 guys at a bar hustling a group of 4 or 5 chicks - that's a mess. Listen carefully to the cackle of female voices and choose your prey. Then get her alone, someplace quiet where you can chat 1 on 1 for 15-20 minutes. Once removed from her companion herd, she will be more docile and not feel the need to impress her girlfriends. Attitude will disappear. Be confident. Show you are happy with who you are and find out if you share any interests with her. If not or if she exhibits any of the bad attitudes discussed by others, leave her IMMEDIATELY. Be polite, but never waste your time with losers. Others will observe you and know what type of man you are by your actions. Don't get drunk or loud. Please don't "howl" or act like an extrovert asshole. Be professional. Would you apply for a job drunk or stoned? Rise above the crowd. Finding the right prospect is hard, serious work. Approach it that way. My BEST advice-listen to the women and choose with your ears/brain and NOT your eyes. Tough I know. . .
If you feel you have to lie about your money, education or job - then clearly, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS your education, job and resources! Few women will be attracted to a broke loser without a job who can barely converse. But neither do they expect a PhD CEO with a few million bucks. If you are happy with who you are - then sell that and nothing else. If you are unhappy, then get busy and fix it! . . . P
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Joe I didn't even get started, New York was only one example. And I got more bad news, other big cities I have lived in were not much friendlier. I have been all over the country, LA, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, DC, Chicago, New Orleans you name it I have been there and its the same shit coast to coast. In the old days things were much different, I probably would not have the feelings I have today back in the 70's when things were much simpler. To be fair I think Seattle and San Francisco women are probably pretty good they seem to approach European women in terms of friendliness and warmth. The latter has a huge gay male population which makes it difficult for women to find a good mate. But as far as the rest, DC is even worse than NY, Chicago forget it, New Orleans - too conservative, Miami - a little too much for the rich. I think the only real place in North America that could compete with Europe might be Montreal, its very European, with a very French accent. Vancouver's also quite nice. Even I read an article about pro baseball players what they thought were the best cities to find beautiful women, Montreal and Vancouver were constantly ranked in the top 3. I think the fact that we live in a society with high crime, especially in our large cities, makes people afraid of one another and therefore women aren't just going to approach you. Its also the due to our economic stratification, there are a lot of rich people in this country but for every millionaire I would estimate there are 10 people who don't have money for a meal or a place to stay, I am in total shock that this is what America is like in the 21st Century. This income gap seperates people. And 95 percent of the population who aren't rich or in power are just as powerless as the masses under Stalin. I need to be redundant because the mass media seems to give a false impression that American women are the only game on the planet, constantly I see images of sexy women on papers, posters, TV, movies but I rarely see anyone in real life that matches up to anything seen in print or film. Abroad, in some of the most ordinary places I have seen some absolutely stunning women doing pretty normal everyday jobs. Some of these women could give those big celebrities, whose photos and pictographs men accross America worship, a run for the money. Men, we got to wake up, we're just getting pussy whipped all over the place.
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Oh for fuck's sake Proko... I was attempting to bring some levity to a stagnant board. Had you been paying attention for the past few months you would realise that I have an American GF and that I'm not a janitor. Your post has merit, but as someone who has been notably absent for weeks you have no right step in and cast judgements on anyone.
Anyway... I'm off travelling until early August. I'll look back again in a few weeks... hopefully the board will have progressed during my absence.
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Sorry Pal,
But I don't think many of us are following your love life. I don't know what you do or who you date. But I do remember some pathetic posts of yours a while back, so I see no reason to expect things to be totally different now. I was only responding directly to your post below. I certainly didn't see it as an attempt at humor. I doubt you're a janitor, but I also sense a deep-seated insecurity in who you are or might like to be. If you are happy with yourself, cool - no more whining. If not , fix it. Its as simple as that. . . . Peace -P
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[i]In fact for young guys, I think the best prospects are divorced women 25-35. They no longer have that "princess" syndrome or the dreaded "White Dress Fever" More experienced and realistic after their break-up, they will appreciate you more and will exhibit less irrational behavior. Their expectations are lower and they're better in bed.[/i]
Woohoo!!! Seems there is still hope for me yet!! LOL
So all you young guys TAKE NOTE (and ummm...call me. heh heh) :)