Guys why are we discussing mens issues with a woman?
There ruled by estrogen! Case closed.
No use speaking logic to an illogical creature.
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Guys why are we discussing mens issues with a woman?
There ruled by estrogen! Case closed.
No use speaking logic to an illogical creature.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Seriously, I really don't get you guys. Women just can't win...they're either frigid or they're putting it out all over the place. They can't be both! [/QUOTE]
No. An individual woman can't be both frigid and putting out all over the place.
Women [i]as a group[/i] can be!
After travelling and mongering, I now view women much more as a very heterogenous group, and judge a woman as an individual.
I have met women who put out all over the place, and don't keep it a secret. I have women who put out all over the place but try to keep it a secret. I have met women who don't put out at all and try to tell it to every person alive who will give her enough time to get to that issue. I have met women who don't put out and don't tell you until it is too late.
I have also met women who put out for everyone except me. And I have met women (too few) who don't out for anyone except me.
There used to be a saying that mothers taught their daughters. I think it is too passe nowadays. A man wants his wife to be a madonna in public and a wh*** (completely unhibited) in private, the bedroom. In that sense, most men do want a woman to be simultaneously frigid and super hot.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]PS: Rock...
Are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? On a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
Sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Ah RN, nice to have you back!
OK, first, I wasn't condemning anyone. Merely offering up an explanation as to why there might be a difference in some statistical results on some survey.
Cunning and deceptive? That's not an insult or a condemnation, but rather a recognition of a worthy adversary. I like to think of myself as having sme of those qualities..... it's hard to be cunning and deceptive if you're some kind of dumbass right? Is there a negative vibe to those words? Sure, but it's also kind of a compliment at the same time.
So in my own particular way, I was saying that I believe women are doing the same things we (men) are doing, and they are just as sneaky as we are.... and just as likely to admit to it.
Rock
Why is there such a big discussion about American/Brit gals, we all know they suck eggs... yes that is the only then that they suck. Most of them are not worthy of such detail discussion.
It is usually fine before getting married but once they move in, everything goes downhill including their saggy boobs. another thing is that when you want to rid them, they become blood thirsty leeches... sucking every assets that you work so hard for.
That it. lets just line them up and banish them to Siberia. I know that Siberia is probably warmer than most of them.
Anyone who thinks the number of unreported abortions in the US is "small" is living in a dream world.
[QUOTE=George90]
There used to be a saying that mothers taught their daughters. I think it is too passe nowadays. A man wants his wife to be a madonna in public and a wh*** (completely unhibited) in private, the bedroom. In that sense, most men do want a woman to be simultaneously frigid and super hot.[/QUOTE]
Well in there you have it in a nutshell...
Too many people are worried about appearances. I say if you need a ***** in your bed, then marry a *****. Chances are like Professional *****s they will give up that lifestyle to be YOUR *****.
The key is finding the hoe with a heart of gold and isn't caught up in how much money she is making. Easier said than done huh?
So many men put up with frigid women in hopes they'll warm up if they commit long term.
A leopard seldom changes its spots, so if you started with frigid; ice woman she shall be for everything but maybe a brief fling for child bearing.
Which might explain why some men are with mousey looking women. They suck a mean dick, take it in the ass, fuck as much as you want and don't complain.
So while we wait for the "perfect storm" he's getting his jollies on a daily.
Which is why every country but the US and largely North America are such a bad choice for LTR's. In other cultures sex is not a bad thing, so women hot to average fuck about the same. Sure you have some women that have been told from day one that they are the best thing to walk this planet and put in no effort at all. But stepping down a notch proves to be more ideal more often than not.
Yes RN far too many men and women want it both ways, impossible...
The saying is:
"A woman should be a peasant in the kitchen, a lady in the drawing room, and a harlot in the bedroom."
I think some AWs have this confused as many are ladies in the kitchen, harlots in the drawing room, and peasants in the bedroom.
A lot of the women I meet down here can't cook but that is fine since I can. By and large Latinas are nice and ladylike until you do hit the bedroom and then they become harlots so two out of three ain't bad, as Meat Loaf so eloquently stated. You can always hire a maid to cook, and then you can fuck her too. That is how it works here.
George makes a great point with his madonna/wh*re comments, and I think it cuts right to the heart of the double standards that women experience in regard to their sexuality.
As they say, some women you fuck, some you marry. Women who (men consider to be) 'good wife' material are generally not putting it about to every Tom, Dick and Harry...and the women that ARE putting it about are often shunned as potential wives. If a girl fucks on the first date and behaves like a tiger in bed, guys often just have their fun with her and move on, discounting her as marriage material because she's had too much sexual experience. Then they find a 'good' woman, marry her for her child-rearing/housekeeping potential, and then complain when she has a low sex drive or is sexually inexperienced.
The double standard forces sexually active women to lie about their previous experience and high libido, fearing men will think they're a sl*t. Not so active women are forced to lie about their limited experience and low libido, fearing men will think they're frigid. In the early stages of dating, experienced women are downplaying their desire and abilities in bed, so that you guys don't realise they've had heaps of partners before you. Inexperienced women are acting like nymphos and trying to make you believe they will fuck like porn stars 24/7. Both kinds of women will try to match their perceived libido/experience with yours and hide their own.
It makes sense then that after the marriage, the nymphos aren't sexually satisfied and end up having affairs and the frigid girls can't keep up the charade any longer and simply stop putting out.
There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there is a quick fix to the problem. Men shouldn't marry. If marriage forces women to lie about their sexuality then it forces men into slavery. Gentlemen should limit their activities to sport-fucking women and then moving on. This leaves all the of the poosy in a big communal pool available to all men for the fucking. The practice of taking wives removes all the pretty skinny poosy from the market driving up the threshold of wealth needed to get some decent poosy. The resulting competition among men creates chaos and allows women to have the advantage.
Fucking some fine poosy and then tossing it back into the pool is a great catch and release policy that increases the odds that the average wanker can score himself a good piece of ass every now and then. Women benefit from this poosy management program too because they don't have to tell lies just to get some sucker to marry them. No woman would be considered a hore either because they all can look forward to being treated the same. No more bragging about being married to a doctor or lawyer and wearing big blood diamonds. Oh no, they'll all be getting rooted without big alimony payments. Getting a good root will be its own reward.
LMAO! That works for me. :)
Sounds like a plan.
There is a good deal of hypocrisy on this board and RN is absolutely right about it. I for one have always maintained, I WANT women who are experienced, who have done and will do nasty things, who have had a lot of partners and know their way around the boudoir. I wish all men could "man up" enough to be honest with themselves and admit that this is what they REALLY want. :P
BTW Athlete, go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] up a rope. RN is an excellent poster and we love her on here. I'd take her little toenail over 100 of you on here any day of the year. You may have a penis like I do but I don't consider you much of a MAN!
Rubber, you are one hell of woman in your understanding and fairness in dealing with both sexes.
You should have your own TV and radio talk shows. You could help a lot of people.
My sincere thought after reading a few of your recent posts.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]There's no quick fix to this problem, because the double standard has always existed and probably always will. Men just need to be aware that they are (often not consciously) forcing women to lie about their sexuality and women need to be encouraged to talk honestly and openly about what they really want.[/QUOTE]
A lot of men's attitude's come from standards created by women. Really, men spend most of their early years with their mothers who help form their later attitudes towards women. It is usually mamma telling them to marry a "good girl" when they grown up so she can have grandchildren to spoil. When her son starts dating and bringing home girls mamma is the one asking the girl how many boyfriends she's had before or if she is a virgin. Mamma is eager to make sure that her son isn't dating a sl*t. If the girl has had a quite a number of boyfriends mamma will be sure to tell him that he needs to get rid of that hore. Meanwhile, papa will be happy if the girl looks good and isn't a gold digger. Papa's other concerns are usually limited to hoping that his son doesn't knock up the girl and being proud that his boy is rooting some fine poosy.
On the other hand, mamma would have a stroke if her college educated son brought home some single mommy with children from different men. She will be sure to ask, "Son are you crazy? What are you doing with that hore?" She would be terrified of her friends finding out that her son is involved with a woman like that. So, women like mamma are really the ones out there branding women as hores and slots. They decide who is marriage material and who isn't.
You're absolutely right, Chocha. Girls cop exactly the same thing from their own parents, just as our parents copped the same thing from their parents...going right back to, you guessed it, the beginning of organised religion. It was the Church who dictated what sort of woman was worthy of marriage and who devised the traditional roles of husband and wife. And told us how, when and where we should have sex. A Church run by men, for men.
The Church gave men the green light to screw around and take mistresses - if caught, it was the mistresses and wh*res who wore the Scarlet letter, never the man. The wanton woman was always to blame for 'good men' straying from the path of righteousness. The Church told women that the enjoyment of sex was prohibited - at some stages even suggesting that women who desired sex were in league with the Devil and should be tried as witches.
The Church messed with nature's two most important rules - the urge to procreate and survival of the fittest. We used to run around having sex indiscriminately to increase the chances of pregnancy. The strongest, fittest women made the ideal mate for the strongest, fittest man, who would then produce the strongest, fittest offspring. Ancient women were admired both as warriors and as nurturers, but the Church labelled their fire as rebellion and their natural empathy and instinct as 'emotion' - turning them into pathetic, frail creatures who needed to be controlled by a firm (male) hand. Leaving them solely as baby-makers. To be sure that those babies they were making belonged to the man they were supposed to, they created modern marriage.
Excuse the history tutorial, but I think it's a very, very important link to understanding the problems we have in society now. The Church denied the human nature of women. They denied us the right to autonomy and controlled our sexuality, but did no such thing to men. Men went through the centuries owning the world around them.
In recent years, the Church has begun to lose its hold on the masses and women have reclaimed what was denied them for so long. I'm not sure whether this was a conscious decision, or whether it was simply nature taking back its control over procreation, but women have clawed back their independence, their strength and their sexuality - which has been both a blessing and a curse.
Obviously, I firmly believe in the emancipation of women. However, without clearly defined gender roles, nobody knows their place in society any more. The messages are all mixed. Like Chocha said, mothers are still teaching their boys (and girls) what it takes to be a 'good' wife and mother. But at the same time, other mothers are telling their daughters (and sons) that women don't need a man at all. Social conditioning tells men that they need to take control and make the decisions and support the family - but these days women are being told exactly the same thing.
I see this as the reason why there are so many contradictions in the behaviour of both genders. Women want to be independent and in control, but they're still conditioned to also want to be supported and treated like a lady. How many times have you been on dates where your chivalry was sneered at, but you were still expected to pay for dinner? Men are enjoying women's new-found sexual freedom, but still taking advantage their Church-given right to walk away without consequence, leaving a trail of fatherless children and STIs in their wake. The courts also uphold these crazy double standards, acknowledging women's unpaid contribution to the household (equal property division), but still refusing to see unmarried women as capable of looking after themselves (alimony).
The Church obviously sees the shift in gender roles as being responsible for the 'moral decline' of today's society, because they're frantically trying to regain their control over women's sexuality - cracking down with renewed vigour on things like abortions, prostitution and contraceptives.
Pagan societies functioned perfectly well with both genders treated as equals. I'm sure we can do it too.
Sorry this ended up so long! :)
One Wing Low and Bango...thanks for the props. :)
OWL: As sweet as it is for you to suggest it, men and women don't need to be listening to me on TV or radio - they need to be listening to each other!!!
I was totally blessed by my time in the sex industry. Wh*res get to see a side of both men and women that most people are never exposed to. Wh*res talk and, more importantly, they listen - to their clients and to each other. Being in a completely anonymous environment is extremely conducive to no-holds-barred conversation. Add arousal, nakedness, physical intimacy, etc to the mix and you have the ideal place to talk about all your fears, desires, needs and insecurities.
Men have told me all sorts of things about themselves, but they refuse to speak about them with their significant others. Clients and male friends talk about things their wives do or don't do, pressures they have at work, how they feel about their bodies, what they really want out of their marriages. But when I ask them if they've discussed it with their wives, they always say no. She wouldn't understand/she wouldn't want to hear it/she wouldn't care/she'd be offended/I don't want to bother her with this stuff...
Women do EXACTLY the same thing. How the hell are men and women ever going to understand each other and make each other happy, when we can't even TALK to each other?? You guys are on websites and in pubs b*tching about women and women are in other sites and pubs b*tching about men. All we're doing is perpetuating the gender stereotypes and getting each other riled up about the failings of the opposite sex. Then we're on the defensive and expecting the worst every time we go on a date, end up destroying the relationship before it even begins, then use the breakup as further 'proof' that all men are bastards/all women are b*tches.
We need to get off the merry-go-round!