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Modern Dating in USA
A few days ago I read a couple of article in the Washington Post about dating in the US. The author were reporting on some research done by someone (academics I think) regarding the demographics of college-educated men and women versus non-college-educated men and women. It is well-known that since the 1970's women have been attending and graduating from college in greater numbers than men. (There is sound logic for this.) Over the decades this has lead to a marked difference in the ratio of college-educated men to college-educated women. So based on the premise that women will never "marry down", the authors discuss how college-educated women behave when faced with a shortage of "suitable" men and faced with more intense competition for "suitable" men.
They looked at college campuses and compared colleges with a high ratio of women (57%) to those campuses with a lower ratio of women. They found that when there were more women, and therefore greater competition for men, women gave up sex faster and easier, referred to as a "hook-up culture". When there were fewer women, and therefore less competition for men, women played hard to get, referred to as a "romantic culture".
How many of us are college grads and have seen this type of behavior? For those who live outside the US, do you observe this in your countries?
I am a college grad and I have seen this. Women with college degrees throwing themselves at certain professional men and ignoring blue collar types. Though I am pretty sure these were marriage prospects and not casual sex partners.
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I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1767018]I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.[/QUOTE]People with specific skills are needed on a day to day basis (mechanic computer tech chef medical technicians etc.). An MBA is worthless unless YOU make into something by coming up with a business idea or network with the right people.
America needs to bring back trade schools.
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I have four college degrees and it never got me any pussy directly, but it did indirectly because I made money and that DID get me pussy :<)
I have spent ten of the past 12 years living outside the US and no woman has ever even asked me about my educational background. As far as AW are concerned, the more education they have, the more impossible they are to deal with.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1767018]I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.[/QUOTE]You need to read "The Millionaire Next Door" my friend.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1767048]I have four college degrees and it never got me any pussy directly, but it did indirectly because I made money and that DID get me pussy :<)
I have spent ten of the past 12 years living outside the US and no woman has ever even asked me about my educational background. As far as AW are concerned, the more education they have, the more impossible they are to deal with.[/QUOTE]
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I am a college grad and I have seen this. Women with college degrees throwing themselves at certain professional men and ignoring blue collar types. Though I am pretty sure these were marriage prospects and not casual sex partners.[/QUOTE]What you are witnessing is female Hypergamy and the 80/20 rule in effect. It states that 20% of the top men are fucking 80% of the women.
That is why visiting another country where our money goes further is attractive for the average Joe Schmuck Western male. You instantly go from "Donald Chump" to "Donald mutha-fuckin Trump" and are catapulted to the 20% top earner range in said country (ex. Dominican Republic, Philippines, etc.).
In America, anything less than $100 K / yr, hell, anything less than $400 K / yr is average to an American woman. They all want the NBA Ball Player, Doctor, Hollywood Actor, etc. , especially college educated women making greater than even $35 K / yr. A 6 female thinks she deserves a 10 male.
Here is an interesting post on TRP that delves further into the 80/20 rule and female Hypergamy:
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Women look at the top 20 percent of males and believe that everything about them is normal and fairly attainable for the other 80 percent of men. This seriously skews their perception of males and it skews their perception of what they should expect when dating.
This explains those "where have all the good men gone" articles.
The "good men" are where they always have been: outside of the top 20 percent of men. Now, I don't mean to say that the "good men" cannot be found in the top 20 percent but rather that these "good men" (in the female mind) constitute men who are willing to commit to women both financially and / or romantically and are not top 20 percent men who have a rotating harem of women engaging in sexual relations with them. These women cannot seem to get these top 20 percenters to commit to anything other than sex with them which makes them throw their hands up and ask "Where have all the good men gone? [b]If they are not frustrated over a lack of sexual and / or romantic commitment then they get frustrated over the 80 percent of men whom they do not find desirable sexually, who won't "get their shit together" and "man up" (this translates to 'make good money and marry me in my thirties') and then they find themselves stuck between the rock and a hard place that is being a top 20 percenter's booty call / mistress or being the taken care of wife of an 80 percenter who cannot make them as sexually aroused as a 20 percenter can.[/b]
[b][red]What this situation tends to lead to is a situation where these frustrated women would rather be a part of what is known as a "soft harem" in which multiple women are having sex with one top 20 percent man while either abstaining from relationships of any sort with 80 percent men, having sex with both 20 and 80 percent men with only the former being aware of this, or being in a poor or non-sexual relationship with an 80 percent man while being sexually active with a 20 percent man without the former knowing about it.[/red][/b] The idea of women preferring to share a top 20 percent man without commitment rather than devoting themselves sexually to an 80 percent man was discussed in writer Kate Bolick's (featured in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic, Elle Magazine, etc.) very well-known and discussed article titled All The Single Ladies in The Atlantic magazine. The article is a very good read and the relevant passage regarding the "soft harem" is below. The idea of the "soft harem" was actually an idea developed by a former female management consultant who spoke to Bolick about female sexuality and modern day dating / relationships concerning young women.
Last year, a former management consultant named Susan Walsh tried to dig a little deeper. She applied what economists call the Pareto principlethe idea that for many events, roughly 20 percent of the causes create 80 percent of the effects to the college dating market, and [b]concluded that only 20 percent of the men (those considered to have the highest status) are having 80 percent of the sex, with only 20 percent of the women (those with the greatest sexual willingness); the remaining 80 percent, male and female, sit out the hookup dance altogether.[/b] (Surprisingly, a 2007 study commissioned by the Justice Department suggested that male virgins outnumber female virgins on campus.) As Walsh puts it, most of the leftover men are "have nots" in terms of access to sex, and most of the women, both those who are hooking up and those who are not, are "have nots" in terms of access to male attention that leads to commitment.
Link to post: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2u8hr5/the_following_comment_was_upvoted_to_1000_in/?[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1767048]I have four college degrees and it never got me any pussy directly, but it did indirectly because I made money and that DID get me pussy :<)
I have spent ten of the past 12 years living outside the US and no woman has ever even asked me about my educational background. As far as AW are concerned, the more education they have, the more impossible they are to deal with.[/QUOTE]All the more reason to kiss the Ass of the Wright Brothers for creating the airplane.
Wheels up in 17 days.
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Ya but you still manage to get around, Mr. E.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1767018]I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.[/QUOTE].
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If you check the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics you will learn that the higher the degree the more money you are likely to make. Of course, there are many exceptions. But to have TIME OFF plus decent income now that is a winning combination!
[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1767027]People with specific skills are needed on a day to day basis (mechanic computer tech chef medical technicians etc.). An MBA is worthless unless YOU make into something by coming up with a business idea or network with the right people.
America needs to bring back trade schools.[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=DCups;1767127]If you check the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics you will learn that the higher the degree the more money you are likely to make. Of course, there are many exceptions. But to have TIME OFF plus decent income now that is a winning combination!
.[/QUOTE]Hence the profession we both chose, which must remain secret.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1767018]I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.[/QUOTE]I bounce back and forth between contracting overseas and merchant mariner. No degree! Both very lucrative with tons of time off and I NEVER come back to the states. Why the phuck for? Divorced, grown kid, and all my shyte in storage. Bang hotties half my age. I am stuck in PNW temporarily for school, but get back to the fun later.
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1767018]I don't get it. My cousin has his own plumbing business and my best friend has his own carpet cleaning business and they are both millionaires. I have an MBA and I am broke as a joke.[/QUOTE]Supply and Demand!
More plumbers and carpet cleaners are needed than are available, hence the price of their services is bid up. With an MBA you are far less broke than a lawyer! There are so many lawyers without jobs these days, that some law schools may close.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1767048]I have four college degrees and it never got me any pussy directly, but it did indirectly because I made money and that DID get me pussy :<)
I have spent ten of the past 12 years living outside the US and no woman has ever even asked me about my educational background. As far as AW are concerned, the more education they have, the more impossible they are to deal with.[/QUOTE]The article claimed that, in addition to money and opportunity, college-educated women want college-educated men so they can engage in "high-minded" conversation. If a woman finds that you can converse with her well enough, she will assume you have at least some formal education.
I agree that the more educated AW make us men jump through more and higher hoops. I will say that some uneducated women are no easier to deal with. I remember dating a Colombiana who had some computer training but no degree. After she got more confidence with me, it was old wives' tale after old wives' tale, superstition after superstition, illogic after illogic. There was no way a 'modern' man could develop a serious relationship with her.
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I did some reading on SavePro's 'Soft Harem'. Some interesting stuff. I think many of us already do it to some extent, if we have regular full- or semi-pros that we visit. It is certainly NOT something I would try in the US or Europe. The drama of AWs and the fallout from US society would make it a disaster. It might work if a man goes ex-pat.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1767048]I have spent ten of the past 12 years living outside the US and no woman has ever even asked me about my educational background.[/QUOTE]That is because those are young people's problems. In my country, when you are in your 20's and early 30's men and women are inclined to try to meet someone with advanced education. The reasoning behind this is that they think they will have more money to afford more shit for themselves and for the kids that they may have together. I remember going to my grad school orientation and the guy asked like 5 people to stand up and say why they decided to pursue an MBA. They gave the usual rhetoric of wanting to educate themselves and expand their knowledge or whatnot. After they finished he said, "Bullshit. MBA stands for More Bank Account. You are here so you can make more money. ".
Thirteen years ago I had a girlfriend in the French Riviera, but she was of Italian background. Her idea was to get married and stay at home and raise the kids. Well I am American so my idea was to have a wife that works so we would have more money and could buy more stuff. Just because of that I broke up with her. A few years later when I was telling an Italian friend about it he said I was crazy. He said it was great to have a woman stay in the house and have your food ready when you got home and yada yada. It was my bad because I was in my late 20's and focused on the American idea of how it was supposed to be.
Now that I am 43 and my child is grown and all my shit is paid for and I have money, and I'm not in the market to accumulate more "stuff", I could care less about a woman's educational background and that she will bring in plenty of money. I'm just happy with a woman or women whose company I enjoy and who will love me for me.