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[QUOTE=Jon32][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbApPethuRQ[/url]
OK guys (and ThatGuy) apparently here are the (argueably) top 20 singles in Chicago.
What does everyone think? (You can also fast forward to 2:48 to see what they want in a partner...)
Seem intelligent and some are pretty. But for some reason I think after 5 minutes on a date with one of them I'd want to shoot myself.[/QUOTE]
Damn, that's the best they can do in a city of 8 million??? Bogota has almost the exact same population as Chicago but those women are like 5s and 6s down there.... and I'm not just talking looks, but PERSONALITY... the second one they showed is the only one with any sense of style, for example...
My brand new current gf fades every last one of those mediocre women, AND she has more money than I do. She also left a guy who had more money than GOD to be with me, in an OPEN relationship at that. So much for another one of TG's half-backed theories!!
TG I could probably pull half of those women if I wanted to but WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO??? Those are 3 o clock slop for me now!!
The other thing is, yeah so gorgeous babe X comes from some country in South America to be a model and make it big in NYC. She winds up working some dead-end retail job and barely makes rent, if that. In two years, her body has turned to flabby shit from the terrible garbage people try to make pass for edible food in this fucking country.
Even when I was here in the 90s, when we used to go out clubbing looking to get laid, the big thing we were looking for were the RECENT ARRIVALS!
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[quote=bango cheito]damn, that's the best they can do in a city of 8 million??? bogota has almost the exact same population as chicago but those women are like 5s and 6s down there.... and i'm not just talking looks, but personality... the second one they showed is the only one with any sense of style, for example...
my brand new current gf fades every last one of those mediocre women, and she has more money than i do. she also left a guy who had more money than god to be with me, in an open relationship at that. so much for another one of tg's half-backed theories!!
tg i could probably pull half of those women if i wanted to but why the hell would i want to??? those are 3 o clock slop for me now!!
the other thing is, yeah so gorgeous babe x comes from some country in south america to be a model and make it big in nyc. she winds up working some dead-end retail job and barely makes rent, if that. in two years, her body has turned to flabby shit from the terrible garbage people try to make pass for edible food in this fucking country.
even when i was here in the 90s, when we used to go out clubbing looking to get laid, the big thing we were looking for were the recent arrivals![/quote]
well it seems one of the women got it. the one that said something to the effect that after dating men that look and sounded great on paper, in practice they were much less interesting to be around than just a guy that i just enjoyed being around, despite his lack of cultural development or education.
too bad it had to learn that beyond the age of 30 as many aw seem to. she's lucky some don't learn ever and others take until their 40 to get it.
tg is a protector of the status que like i said, it shouldn't surprise anybody that he says were a bunch of sour grapes.
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Now allow me to address each of your points.
Bango. As I stated perception is everything. And even though a girl left a guy with as much money as GOD. He was probably from there. And as I stated AM and European Men are percieved to treat women better than men from developing nations. Westernize men are perceived (wrongly or rightly) as not as hard, demanding, uncaring, not hardcore drunks, less likely to smack a women. Especially those that travel outside of the country, compared to the avg man of their countries. So as I said that gives you a upper hand compared to the men of those countries.
If those women were so into just any man, why are so many in online date sites for men from America. You don't see AW advertising in such number for foreign men. Most look for AM..
DJ. I feel for you and your situation. Yes its hard for a low income guy to pull women, especially in a city like L. A.. You just have to strive to better yourself. For yourself and not for the women. But also the reason broke women don't easily accept broke men is they too are looking to better themselves. And a broke ass man has nothing or very little to offer but dick. And women can get that with the greatest of ease. Always remember part of a womens value is in her looks, while part of a man's is in his wallet. Remember I said PART. And not all but it does count for something. A saying I was taught as a little boy. Clothes don't make a man. But a man without is a man you doubt.
Now Gung. Yes I go to the PI. I do like to take monger vacations. Its not the only place I've been. I've been to 12. Count them 12 different countries and all more than once. I've been traveling around the world for the past 20 years. Because I like to travel, not because I think the women in those countries treat me any better than I get treated by AW. Just because I enjoy the fruits from other areas doesn't mean I don't enjoy the ones in my own back yard. I still date AW. Will be with one this weekend. I just enjoy women. Every country has good and bad ones. As I have always told people. You put me on the north pole and I'd find a babe to get laid.
As for Jon. I see nothing wrong with those women. The interviews were to short for me to draw any conclusions as to how they would be as partners. Some looked ok. I definitely wouldn't call them chicago's finest women. But some thought they were. But opinons come a dime a dozen. But in any case none were fat, disgustingly ugly as always stated on this board. Which goes to my point, there are good AW out there. Just as there are good women in other countries.
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I know several of these girls and have dated a few of them.... this is some stupid rocker chick contest.... obviously you have to like the rocker look to like these girls... but here's an idea....
[url]http://www.chicacolombianshows.com/participantes/[/url]
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I'd want to shoot myself
[QUOTE=Jon32][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbApPethuRQ[/url]
OK guys (and ThatGuy) apparently here are the (argueably) top 20 singles in Chicago.
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Seem intelligent and some are pretty. But for some reason I think after 5 minutes on a date with one of them I'd want to shoot myself.[/QUOTE]
Jon32. You are right on target. All is said !
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I know several of these girls and have dated a few of them.... this is some stupid rocker chick contest.... obviously you have to like the rocker look to like these girls... but here's an idea....
[url]http://www.chicacolombianshows.com/participantes/[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah I see chicks looking as good on Sunset and Hollywood blvd everyday .... go to whisky's any day of the week.
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[quote=thatguy865]yeah i see chicks looking as good on sunset and hollywood blvd everyday .... go to whisky's any day of the week.[/quote]
maybe 30 years ago.... here i appropriately quote the reo speedwagon song...
i dont believe it
not for a minuteeeee :)
post pics!
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Pittiful!
If that Chicago's Top 20 (Depending from whose point of view, not mine by the way) is any indication, the pickings are getting slim indeed. Yes, TG, I know, there are thousands of really, really good looking girls in all major cities in Sex Jail. But let's think for a moment what it will take for an average male to go out with such a creature. Then there is the guarantee of virtually no sex no matter how much game you bring to the party, no matter how well you tret them, no matter how well you get along, dance, sing, hold hands, read poetry, drive a race car, sail a yatch, fly a plane, save the world with such a creature. There is just no pleasing these biatches intellectually. It is just not worth the effort, in my humble opinion.
Take your game overseas. Dinner, a night out and you are having breakfast in bed after a mind-blowing, life altering sexcapade. It isn't even close between the two. Not to mention the short-cuts overseas in the P4P arena. I am not saying that things work out like that everytime, but it certainly does not take months or years of effort to make such conquests. It is not easy to get it on anywhere, but for me, it happens quite often when not in the good old Sex Prison. This is why I can't waste my time with the crass, vulgar, or even the so called intellectual sophisticates that qualify as a city's top 20. They have no idea how to get down with a good man. Period.
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[quote=bango cheito]maybe 30 years ago.... here i appropriately quote the reo speedwagon song...
i dont believe it
not for a minuteeeee :)
post pics![/quote]pics do not count. anybody can find a girl and take pics. it should be at least video how thatguy(or whoever who is an average guy, about 35-40-50 year old, not a celebrity or millioneer) meets hot model girls anywhere in usa and fucks them without spending thousands $$$ and months of time.
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Chicago's Top 20?
In a word.....BORING!! Couldn't even watch it all, was putting me to sleep
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[QUOTE=Voyajer1]If that Chicago's Top 20 (Depending from whose point of view, not mine by the way) is any indication, the pickings are getting slim indeed. Yes, TG, I know, there are thousands of really, really good looking girls in all major cities in Sex Jail. But let's think for a moment what it will take for an average male to go out with such a creature. Then there is the guarantee of virtually no sex no matter how much game you bring to the party, no matter how well you tret them, no matter how well you get along, dance, sing, hold hands, read poetry, drive a race car, sail a yatch, fly a plane, save the world with such a creature. There is just no pleasing these biatches intellectually. It is just not worth the effort, in my humble opinion.
Take your game overseas. Dinner, a night out and you are having breakfast in bed after a mind-blowing, life altering sexcapade. It isn't even close between the two. Not to mention the short-cuts overseas in the P4P arena. I am not saying that things work out like that everytime, but it certainly does not take months or years of effort to make such conquests. It is not easy to get it on anywhere, but for me, it happens quite often when not in the good old Sex Prison. This is why I can't waste my time with the crass, vulgar, or even the so called intellectual sophisticates that qualify as a city's top 20. They have no idea how to get down with a good man. Period.[/QUOTE]Well at least you are willing to say there are beautiful AW. Now as far as sex crazed. Well the issue with AW has a lot to do with AIDS. You have to realize the media campain that went on during the late 80's and 90's warning everyone about how sexual partners and the spread of the "Deadly diease". Which caused a lot of women to step back from sexual openess. In most of the countries mongering is most popular there has not been the media blitz of repressing sexual behavior as there was in america. Where have you seen the ad "you are sleeping with everyone your partner has ever slept with". Besides in the USA. So women were bombarded with these messages constantly throughout the 80's and 90's.
So yes AW are much more cautious about who they sleep with (fewer will have a one night stand nowadays) but to say that they don't like sex as much as women from other countries. Is ludicris. There are sex addiction clinics in every major city. Even if you said well only men attend. Those men have to be finding women to have sex with. What each and everyone of you mean is "I" can't find sex like "I" can in foreign countries. Yeah for YOU the country is a SEX PRISON (and there is nothing wrong with saying that, but don't generalize the situation). Because for millions of AM. AW are treating them just fine. Thats the bottom line. TG just keepin it real. ya dig.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Now as far as sex crazed. Well the issue with AW has a lot to do with AIDS. You have to realize the media campain that went on during the late 80's and 90's warning everyone about how sexual partners and the spread of the "Deadly diease". Which caused a lot of women to step back from sexual openess. In most of the countries mongering is most popular there has not been the media blitz of repressing sexual behavior as there was in america.[/QUOTE]
Excellent point. Add to that the large majority of gays and "metro sexuals" in urban US cities and it gets even harder. Here in NYC you have to prove that you AREN'T gay because most women assume that the majority of guys here are gay or bi.
There are tons of std's around that are more severe than the old Vd syndrome...ie HPV (for women). As well as TB swine flu and all the other infectious garbage.
It's not a great time for random sex. Any well educated female knows this. IMHO women have more to lose (giving birth) if they contract something.
Education plays a big role and so does opportunity. Countries or people with less opportunity will fuck and drug themselves to happiness than those who aren't deprived of those things.
It's not worth it for women to screw around. They can still benefit by being a player and not giving it up. There will always be guys willing to compete for a ZERO return.
Very astute post though TG. I agree with you on this one.
...forgot to mention ethnicity plays a huge role in womens perception as well. We all know the stereo types...which race is more prone to be bisexual who bangs almost anything...etc. Women think like this all the time and stereotype their potential lovers just like we do. Although our prerequisites are rather simple...suck my .....
These are scary times. Only degenerate mongers like myself loan their penis to almost any girl they see :)
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Well at least you are willing to say there are beautiful AW.[/QUOTE]
Although there are some guys on here posting pictures of hideous women, I don't think anyone ever said there are no beautiful AW. I can admit that there are some very beautiful women in America, specifically California. But their attitudes are, for the most part, just terrible. That is what people are talking about on here I think.
The issue that I agree with TG on is what he posted about in the Angeles City thread (and maybe he's mentioned it on here too) about how most girls from third world countries ARE only with us Western guys for our money and security. This is the only reason why a 20 year old Pinay would want to be with/marry a 60 year old American. Us younger guys on the ISG get attacked by the older guys for saying things like this, but it's true.
Anyway, marriage is an outdated and antiquated institution IMHO, regardless of where the woman is from.
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If you blokes really have a problem with American women, Western Europe will be a major letdown as well. Skank is the best way to describe most women I have seen here, not only that, many women here are fat and ugly as well. So i guess this now leaves Asia, Latin America, and Eastern Europe as the major female destinations, as they modernize things will go South there too.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Although there are some guys on here posting pictures of hideous women, I don't think anyone ever said there are no beautiful AW. I can admit that there are some very beautiful women in America, specifically California. But their attitudes are, for the most part, just terrible. That is what people are talking about on here I think.
The issue that I agree with TG on is what he posted about in the Angeles City thread (and maybe he's mentioned it on here too) about how most girls from third world countries ARE only with us Western guys for our money and security. This is the only reason why a 20 year old Pinay would want to be with/marry a 60 year old American. Us younger guys on the ISG get attacked by the older guys for saying things like this, but it's true.
Anyway, marriage is an outdated and antiquated institution IMHO, regardless of where the woman is from.[/QUOTE]I definitely would agree with you on the marriage issue. I have always thought it should be like a drivers license. Set for maybe 5 to 7 years. Renewable if both agree with an agreed upon split at the beginning so each knows exactly what to expect when the license ended.
Unless kids are involved then the license would be set until the 18th birthday of the last kid. If broken obviously child support would be involved.
I think this would prevent both from becoming too comfortable with the idea of the other won't or can't leave and both would work at keeping each other happy, knowing in a few years the other could leave automatically.
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I don't think so, my friend!
i think you missed my point and that's understandable because i didn't explain myself completely. there is not enough room in this forum to explain all the ridiculous situations i have been in dealing with the aw. it has absolutely nothing to do with media campaigns about partners and so on. that is just an excuse. the problems with the aw go far deeper than what's on tv about a deadly desease.
how can you explain all the sexless marriages in the country? why after giving a woman a voice in a man's life the only voice that will be heard at all cost is hers, using sex as a carrot to a man's needs and desires, creating a virtual state of war in about 6 out of every 10 marriages?
you talk about the media attempting to suppress sexual openness, yet, i see ad after ad using female sexuality selling everything from chewing gum to freaking fiber additives. in addition, if you ever watch a sporting event, isn't it all about beer, biatches and sexual inuendo? not to mention how many sexual stimulants get advertised even during cartoons (consult a doctor if you have an erection lasting more that 4 hours? ring a bell?).
i don't see anything like the constant bombardment of sexual imagery anywhere i travel, except in, well, you guessed it, sex jail. all other countries do not advertise sex 24/7 like in the usa. you don't believe me? get out of jail and check for yourself.
now, tg, you know i am an honest broker. you know this. so why isn't the other side, the aw, cooperating more? because i don't wear my pants down to my mid-thighs? because i don't have a bunch of tatoos? because i don't go around slapping women around? because i don't have 20 kids with 20 women that i don't pay child support to? because i am not an irresponsible sob that's been in jail not once, not twice, but 5 to 10? because i don't do drugs? because i don't present the aura of the bruiser who is a loser image that women love so much? oh, yes, those are the guys, not all of them, i see pulling america's best looking women. check for yourself that i'm telling the truth. in turn, this is making the rest of us guilty by being in the same gender, even though we are the last choice women will make. aw have major issues with the choices they make for companionship. i mean, how many women will like a professional pulling 100k, who have their stuff together?
oh, yeah, don't tell me. it is the fault of every responsible am like everything else. again, i go overseas and don't have to worry about 75% of the bs we have to deal with here. as i said before, aw just don't have a clue how to get down. their minds are rep001tered with major control issues, deception and hidden agendas. i just don't play a losing hand. get it?
[quote=thatguy865]well at least you are willing to say there are beautiful aw. now as far as sex crazed. well the issue with aw has a lot to do with aids. you have to realize the media campain that went on during the late 80's and 90's warning everyone about how sexual partners and the spread of the "deadly diease". which caused a lot of women to step back from sexual openess. in most of the countries mongering is most popular there has not been the media blitz of repressing sexual behavior as there was in america. where have you seen the ad "you are sleeping with everyone your partner has ever slept with". besides in the usa. so women were bombarded with these messages constantly throughout the 80's and 90's.
so yes aw are much more cautious about who they sleep with (fewer will have a one night stand nowadays) but to say that they don't like sex as much as women from other countries. is ludicris. there are sex addiction clinics in every major city. even if you said well only men attend. those men have to be finding women to have sex with. what each and everyone of you mean is "i" can't find sex like "i" can in foreign countries. yeah for you the country is a sex prison (and there is nothing wrong with saying that, but don't generalize the situation). because for millions of am. aw are treating them just fine. thats the bottom line. tg just keepin it real. ya dig.[/quote]
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[quote=voyajer1]i think you missed my point and that's understandable because i didn't explain myself completely. there is not enough room in this forum to explain all the ridiculous situations i have been in dealing with the aw. it has absolutely nothing to do with media campaigns about partners and so on. that is just an excuse. the problems with the aw go far deeper than what's on tv about a deadly desease.
how can you explain all the sexless marriages in the country? why after giving a woman a voice in a man's life the only voice that will be heard at all cost is hers, using sex as a carrot to a man's needs and desires, creating a virtual state of war in about 6 out of every 10 marriages?
you talk about the media attempting to suppress sexual openness, yet, i see ad after ad using female sexuality selling everything from chewing gum to freaking fiber additives. in addition, if you ever watch a sporting event, isn't it all about beer, biatches and sexual inuendo? not to mention how many sexual stimulants get advertised even during cartoons (consult a doctor if you have an erection lasting more that 4 hours? ring a bell?).
i don't see anything like the constant bombardment of sexual imagery anywhere i travel, except in, well, you guessed it, sex jail. all other countries do not advertise sex 24/7 like in the usa. you don't believe me? get out of jail and check for yourself.
now, tg, you know i am an honest broker. you know this. so why isn't the other side, the aw, cooperating more? because i don't wear my pants down to my mid-thighs? because i don't have a bunch of tatoos? because i don't go around slapping women around? because i don't have 20 kids with 20 women that i don't pay child support to? because i am not an irresponsible sob that's been in jail not once, not twice, but 5 to 10? because i don't do drugs? because i don't present the aura of the bruiser who is a loser image that women love so much? oh, yes, those are the guys, not all of them, i see pulling america's best looking women. check for yourself that i'm telling the truth. in turn, this is making the rest of us guilty by being in the same gender, even though we are the last choice women will make. aw have major issues with the choices they make for companionship. i mean, how many women will like a professional pulling 100k, who have their stuff together?
oh, yeah, don't tell me. it is the fault of every responsible am like everything else. again, i go overseas and don't have to worry about 75% of the bs we have to deal with here. as i said before, aw just don't have a clue how to get down. their minds are rep001tered with major control issues, deception and hidden agendas. i just don't play a losing hand. get it?[/quote]v. get a clue dude. all those things pertaining to sex you mentioned is to get men aroused. when have you heard of a women have an erection. yes there are sexless marriages. but you seem to think it all about the women. what every am is a sexual dynamo. yeah right! if men were so sex crazed as you say then why did they have to come up with viagra. most sex enhancers are for men. it would appear its am who have trouble getting it up. not women. and i'm not saying every single man has this issue. so don't get on about how you never had to use this. i speaking in general terms.
the reason i brought up the media aspect about it. and obviously you don't comprehend very well is guys complain. why do i have to go thru so much to get laid with aw. well they are cautious. they have more to lose than the foreign babe. well if you screw a foreign babe and leave. who's to know. she can screw 100 foreign guys as long as her peeps don't know, her reputation is intact. but would she screw 100 guys from her city. hell no. will she give it up so easily to each and every guy. hell no. like i said. you are percieved to be wealthy, a great catch. thats the only reason you get laid there eaiser. you fooling yourself if you think those women are just that easy for all guys. if so then they fucking like pro's. if they fuck like that for any and all guys. why do those countries have prostitutes if the women fuck so easily. a guy could drive over to the next area and go to the bar and find a babe to fuck for free. why pay. think about it.
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Duty Free Shops
I went to NY Golf Center to buy a couple hundred dollar golf rangefinder the other day as I'm on the links every weekend. Upon entering the empty store I spot the counter area with what I need and A young blonde behind it fidgeting doing nothing. I attempt to say Hello and make eye contact to get service which didn't happen, at which point I start looking around the store at the Callaway Big Berthas and fancy new lob wedges only Tiger Woods knows how to use. Soon I start pinching myself to see if I exist, and go back and look at the expensive rangefinders amidst an uncomfortable silence with silent goldilocks an arm-length away. As I made my exit from the store sans rangefinder I thought of those wonderful duty free shops in every Latin American country airport, and how you can't not spend money in there with the great service and cheery faces, meanwhile I'll be damned if this place gets my money with nonexistent service, and free of duty counter girls with no courtesy.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Although there are some guys on here posting pictures of hideous women, I don't think anyone ever said there are no beautiful AW. I can admit that there are some very beautiful women in America, specifically California. But their attitudes are, for the most part, just terrible. That is what people are talking about on here I think.[/QUOTE]there are some good looking girls of course, but if the percentage of the whol population is low it does not work for most guys, they must settle with whats available.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Anyway, marriage is an outdated and antiquated institution IMHO, regardless of where the woman is from.[/QUOTE]There are still good places, most Americans do not know about. For example Central Asia. Still have great traditions and beautiful women.
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It's a well known fact that when many American women go overseas they like to release all their pent up sexual frustrations and will fuck almost anything that moves, this is especially true of older AW and young college girls. This happens all over Europe and all over the Caribbean Islands.
So an AW's pussy is easily accessible for foreigners but damn near impossible for AM.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Why do I have to go thru so much to get laid with AW. Well they are cautious. [/QUOTE]
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[quote=thatguy865]v. get a clue dude. all those things pertaining to sex you mentioned is to get men aroused. when have you heard of a women have an erection. yes there are sexless marriages. but you seem to think it all about the women. what every am is a sexual dynamo. yeah right! if men were so sex crazed as you say then why did they have to come up with viagra. most sex enhancers are for men. it would appear its am who have trouble getting it up. not women. and i'm not saying every single man has this issue. so don't get on about how you never had to use this. i speaking in general terms.
the reason i brought up the media aspect about it. and obviously you don't comprehend very well is guys complain. why do i have to go thru so much to get laid with aw. well they are cautious. they have more to lose than the foreign babe. well if you screw a foreign babe and leave. who's to know. she can screw 100 foreign guys as long as her peeps don't know, her reputation is intact. but would she screw 100 guys from her city. hell no. will she give it up so easily to each and every guy. hell no. like i said. you are percieved to be wealthy, a great catch. thats the only reason you get laid there eaiser. you fooling yourself if you think those women are just that easy for all guys. if so then they fucking like pro's. if they fuck like that for any and all guys. why do those countries have prostitutes if the women fuck so easily. a guy could drive over to the next area and go to the bar and find a babe to fuck for free. why pay. think about it.[/quote]
now that last part i can agree with.... women all over are worried about their reputation... and they know guys kiss and tell... guys are really in fact bigger fucking idiots than the women... because they will work their asses off to conquer some local chickenhead and then go around talking shit about her to all their friends... this is totally shooting onesself in the foot.... but ignorant ass people do it all the time...
if you come from out of town, it's much easier.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]It's a well known fact that when many American women go overseas they like to release all their pent up sexual frustrations and will fuck almost anything that moves, this is especially true of older AW and young college girls. This happens all over Europe and all over the Caribbean Islands.
So an AW's pussy is easily accessible for foreigners but damn near impossible for AM.[/QUOTE]You just proved my point by saying this. Its the same for these guys in reverse. Its just the guys are doing the traveling. Women don't want it spread around that they are loose. So screwing a foreigner ensures the info goes to another country (for the guys traveling) and stays in another country (for the women traveling). Remember if a guys screw 20 women he's a stud. And will not be shun by very many women. If a women does it. She's a *****. And will be shun by many men. So they don't let it happen.
Thats why foreign women will screw AM easily, one, they are perceived as wealthy and two. Their reputations will remain intact because only thoses she want to know. Will know.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865].... If men were so sex crazed as you say then why did they have to come up with viagra. Most sex enhancers are for MEN. It would appear its AM who have trouble getting it up. Not women. [/QUOTE]Yes, its AM who have trouble getting it up. But why?
If all women looked good and were good sexually including BJ, viagra would not be that necessary. No wonder viagra is so popular since most AW are not good looking. Often I'm really puzzled how those guys with buttugly women can get it hard, probably after using viagra or something.
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In two more months I will face 8 to 9 months of exposure to these cows. Is there any type of vaccine I can take or am I better off with a lot of protective equipment?
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Yes, its AM who have trouble getting it up. But why?
If all women looked good and were good sexually including BJ, viagra would not be that necessary. No wonder viagra is so popular since most AW are not good looking. Often I'm really puzzled how those guys with buttugly women can get it hard, probably after using viagra or something.[/QUOTE]If that is the case. Why is viagra so popular in Thailand, Philippines, all over SEA. They take it more in those countries than the USA where its harder to get. I guess those women are dog ugly and bad at sex too. And the guys have trouble getting it up for them.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]If that is the case. Why is viagra so popular in Thailand, Philippines, all over SEA. They take it more in those countries than the USA where its harder to get. I guess those women are dog ugly and bad at sex too. And the guys have trouble getting it up for them.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are taking it for a different purpose?
Of course there are lots of ugly women everywhere. In my(and many others') opinion in North America Viagra would be necessary in the first place where the percentage of fat/obese women if higher than in other places. In addition to that many AW's behavior is a big turnoff too. Just look at the recently posted video here, that Chicago top 20 singles.
I would assume, in USA you need tons of viagra just to get any positive erection for most AW. In other places one might wanna use viagra to have more sex or when you're under influence or alcogol.
But in any case, I'm not an expert, this is only from my observations, also have never taken anything like viagra yet. So far my problems have been connected to drinking too much or if a woman is not good enough. So I have always blamed women for the men's problems, maybe this does not sound good to some, but who cares, since it has been like this in my experience.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]In two more months I will face 8 to 9 months of exposure to these cows. Is there any type of vaccine I can take or am I better off with a lot of protective equipment?[/QUOTE]
Wow 8-9 month's! You'd be better off slicing off the "stick" and "two nuts" with a damn machete.
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I have three weeks off in the middle, plus two other single weeks. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. But mongering requires money.
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All West European countries with the exception of Germany is not a destination to practice your hobby. You are wasting your time and money. You would be better off trying to score an AW at home. If you desire to travel to avoid AW, Asia and South America is the preferred destination as the attitude towards men, life style, affordability and general overall experience is much more pleasurable.
Go to Europe to sightsee, learn and experience their cultures.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]All West European countries with the exception of Germany is not a destination to practice your hobby. You are wasting your time and money. You would be better off trying to score an AW at home. If you desire to travel to avoid AW, Asia and South America is the preferred destination as the attitude towards men, life style, affordability and general overall experience is much more pleasurable.
Go to Europe to sightsee, learn and experience their cultures.[/QUOTE]
I agree only Germany is worth visiting for P4P activities. Asia and South America is where it's at IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I agree only Germany is worth visiting for P4P activities. Asia and South America is where it's at IMHO.[/QUOTE]Only Germany? Whats wrong with Czech republic? Even though it has been messed up a lot by western tourists during the last 10 years, but still a good place compared to other places.
And I'm not even talking about Eastern Europe yet.
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Obesity plague on the march........
This does not good look for traveling mongers.
[QUOTE]New study shows Brazil losing battle of the bulge
RIO DE JANEIRO – Brazilians are battling the bulge.
A government study says the South American country known for its bikinis is expanding at the waistline.
The Health Ministry notes that in 2009, 46.6 percent of Brazil's 190 million people were overweight. That's up from 42.7 percent in 2006.
The rate of obesity also rose, from 11.4 percent in 2006 to 13.9 percent in 2009.
The study released Monday is based on interviews with 54,000 adults. The result: 51 percent of men and 42.3 percent of women are overweight.
The study blamed poor eating habits, lack of exercise and genetics.
Brazil is still slim, however, compared to the United States, where a recent study showed 68 percent of the population was overweight.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100621/ap_on_he_me/lt_brazil_battle_of_the_bulge[/url][/QUOTE]
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Hey, hey now!!!
Remember, some of us live in this dump :D
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Wow 8-9 month's! You'd be better off slicing off the "stick" and "two nuts" with a damn machete.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Only Germany? Whats wrong with Czech republic? Even though it has been messed up a lot by western tourists during the last 10 years, but still a good place compared to other places.
And I'm not even talking about Eastern Europe yet.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I was not clear, I was referring to West European countries.
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Ajax,
I have to disagree, so far Germany has been a disappointment compared to past years, the hobby is going downhill in Deutschland, many FKK clubs are becoming partytreffs and sauna clubs, and the quality of women is deteriorating. I noticed far fewer Russians and Ukrainian women working in German clubs, I guess since Russia is now on the comeback track, they must be going back home. Also I have noticed everyday women in Germany are getting fatter and uglier. In fact, I have to reassess Australian women, they sure have attitude and are as bitchy as those in the US, but most women I see in Sydney in their 20s are more attractive than what I have found so far in Europe. So if you look like a rugby hero, have oodles of cash, etc, you might have a chance with one.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I have three weeks off in the middle, plus two other single weeks. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. But mongering requires money.[/QUOTE]
Mexico is fairly cheap, unless you find yourself in the Northern half of America.
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México is not a good place to be right now. I figure Costa Rica on the one weekers, and Argentina for the three weeks. I have lived in and mongered all over México and the fucking place is too Catholic.
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My niece sent me a picture of a friend of hers who lives near where I will be working. She was cute, so we exchanged a couple of e-mails and today I called her on the phone. The conversation went like this:
DH: Blah blah inane platitudes
AW: Trivial conversation
DH: More bullshit
AW: BTW I am a Scientologist
Click.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Ajax,
I have to disagree, so far Germany has been a disappointment compared to past years, the hobby is going downhill in Deutschland, many FKK clubs are becoming partytreffs and sauna clubs, and the quality of women is deteriorating. I noticed far fewer Russians and Ukrainian women working in German clubs, I guess since Russia is now on the comeback track, they must be going back home. [/QUOTE]It looks like women are deteriorating in many places. I was in Barcelona one year ago, most women were fat,ugly or both. Russia is also becoming worse. I saw pics from a friends' daughter prom. Most of the girls wer fat, also dressed like on an American prom. If I did not know, I would think the pics were from USA!
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]It looks like women are deteriorating in many places. I was in Barcelona one year ago, most women were fat,ugly or both. Russia is also becoming worse. I saw pics from a friends' daughter prom. Most of the girls wer fat, also dressed like on an American prom. If I did not know, I would think the pics were from USA![/QUOTE]I guess you guys better get all the skinny pootane you can now. Cause in 10 to 15 yrs the world is going to be like the USA. Enjoy while you can.
McDonalds, Domino pizza and Kentucky's colonel with his fried chicken. Has gone world wide. Besides western attitude also catching on. It won't be long.
Guys 20 and 30 yr olds better get used to it. Cause thats what you will have to chase in your 50's. And pay for it at that.
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Obesity and overweight populations everywhere.
Whether you guys like it or not, it's the Americanization of US life style towards western societies in Europe, Asia and South America too. How you ask? US fast food chains, unhealthy snack foods and sweet beverages. The damage began in the early, mid-1980's when fast food chains expanded across the pond.
When I moved to Europe there were no fast food chains and in Copenhagen only 2 pizza restaurants. Now these food chains are so close to each other, you can smell the fat. Every street corner there today has a pizza take-out business. Before it was pubs. Everyone is drinking colas etc. now. The population is exercising less. I used to take public transportation or bicycle to my work about 6 km. one way. Now cheap Asian vehicles are available to almost everyone at affordable prices.
70% Americans are overweight and 1/3 obese. The epidemic has been spreading overseas for over 20 years. IMHO the desire to improve the bottom line yearly has caused these problems. People need to be educated on the dangers of putting junk food in their mouth.
Another reason why so many more people are overweight is the mix of ethnic groups in families.
Hey Aussie, when will you be in DK?
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I guess you guys better get all the skinny pootane you can now. Cause in 10 to 15 yrs the world is going to be like the USA. Enjoy while you can.
McDonalds, Domino pizza and Kentucky's colonel with his fried chicken. Has gone world wide. Besides western attitude also catching on. It won't be long.
Guys 20 and 30 yr olds better get used to it. Cause thats what you will have to chase in your 50's. And pay for it at that.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it is difficult to get used to it, after you've been spoiled with nice stuff. But in USA(also in Barcelona!) I see lots of normal looking guys with buttugly fat girls. They have got used to that.
I'm in Colombia now, it is getting fat too. Although still some nice ones. But already see on the streets lots of fat asses. At least no obese people yet.
Still there are places in the world where plenty of slim beautiful girls can be found. I'm going there next month. The place is corrupted, lots of burocracy. not business-friendly especially for import, long expensive flights, visas for gringos, etc. Plus strong family traditions and values. Probably the reasons why it is still in a good(but not as good as before) shape with respect to women.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Unfortunately it is difficult to get used to it, after you've been spoiled with nice stuff. But in USA(also in Barcelona!) I see lots of normal looking guys with buttugly fat girls. They have got used to that.
I'm in Colombia now, it is getting fat too. Although still some nice ones. But already see on the streets lots of fat asses. At least no obese people yet.
Still there are places in the world where plenty of slim beautiful girls can be found. I'm going there next month. The place is corrupted, lots of burocracy. not business-friendly especially for import, long expensive flights, visas for gringos, etc. Plus strong family traditions and values. Probably the reasons why it is still in a good(but not as good as before) shape with respect to women.[/QUOTE]Just wait it will be everywhere. China is becoming westernized. And soon Fast food will be the norm there. Then they will help spread it throughout asia being the powerhouse they are becoming and big on importing. Fast food, Microwaves, and cheap transportation (China is about to start in the auto business and will make them even cheaper) All are what has fattened the world. People do not have to walk/be active and food has gotten fattening by being processed and portions bigger.
As for attitudes, the internet will take care of changing that. As more and more 3rd world women chat and see how westernize women are treated/Act around the world, 3rd world women, attitudes and expectation will change also.
This is the modern day phenomenon. And the world all over will have to deal with it.
Gong. Eventually 10 to 15 years down the road. Guys like you will have to go to a jungle town to find an area full of fit/traditional women. Hope you speak jungle and won't mind the accomodations.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Unfortunately it is difficult to get used to it, after you've been spoiled with nice stuff. But in USA(also in Barcelona!) I see lots of normal looking guys with buttugly fat girls. They have got used to that.
I'm in Colombia now, it is getting fat too. Although still some nice ones. But already see on the streets lots of fat asses. At least no obese people yet.
Still there are places in the world where plenty of slim beautiful girls can be found. I'm going there next month. The place is corrupted, lots of burocracy. not business-friendly especially for import, long expensive flights, visas for gringos, etc. Plus strong family traditions and values. Probably the reasons why it is still in a good(but not as good as before) shape with respect to women.[/QUOTE]
Depends on where you are in Colombia... Bogota Medellin Cali Ibague and the eje don't have very many fat women.... the coast sure does!! I find girls in Santander also to be especially nice looking.... they do have big asses but not FAT big asses.... NICE big asses :0
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Depends on where you are in Colombia... Bogota Medellin Cali Ibague and the eje don't have very many fat women.... the coast sure does!! I find girls in Santander also to be especially nice looking.... they do have big asses but not FAT big asses.... NICE big asses :0[/QUOTE]I was actually talking about Medellin. I'm staying in Poblado, see lots of fat ass women coming to the apartamentos. During day we were en el Centro, now it is more difficult to spot a nice slim girl than before. Also an hour ago had dinner in Parque Lleras, saw a really obese girl passing by(never had seen this in Colombia before(, not sure if she is local or American. Probably local, since she would not fit into an airplane. So obviously the "civilization"is coming here.
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After I posted about a month ago in this thread, my complaints and issues with American women kept building in my head. One night I couldn't sleep, I tossed and turned for hours, sweating, thinking about women, sex, marriage, dating, sex, sex, having babies until finally.... I said fuck it, got up at 3:30, went downstairs, bought a few beers, then typed a rant that I posted in craigslist.
I called it "99 Problems and bitches are some"
It says some of the same things as my earlier post did, but its much nastier and funnier. For example, it concludes with :
" Living here (Manhattan) does have its upside, even though some of you NASTY, SCABBY, AIDS-coated 10 CENT HO BAGS have had the nerve to ask me "Why do you live THERE? Why in THAT building? Why don't you live in a penthouse? Why don't you drive a Jaguar? Why is your sausage only 6 inches? I want at least 9 inches long"
You STUPID, STUPID, SILLY, CHILDISH, MIND-F*CKING WOMEN WITH A GENITAL WART FOR A BRAIN, this is NOT Sex and the City! Having things does not make you happy! Not every guy is Mr. Big! You are not going to marry Derek Jeter or a European soccer star ! DIE DIE DIE!!! "
I was going to repost it here but its pretty vulgar so I decided not to.
Anyway, I just thought it would be interesting to know that I really do feel better after having posted that rant, and that I feel more at peace with myself.
I've realized, thanks also to a few things I read immediately after, that I simply need to get in better shape to improve my game and of course my health. For the first time, I've actually been tracking my calories on fitday.com, and I've lost 12 lbs in a month. Not BS water weight either. No starvation, no deprivation. Just being disciplined.
I've also decided to do something about what's been bothering me for a few years. I left teaching b/c I felt I wasn't accomplishing anything. I realized I want more income and a prestigious job.
Basically I've reached a point where I have a pretty clear idea of what I want. I had decided to get my MBA at a local school and start in September but now I'm going to postpone it and instead apply to 3 Top 10 business schools for Fall of 2011.
So, I just wanted to let you guys know that it can help to get shit, and I mean the shit in your soul, off your chest. Post a rant on Craigslist, it can't hurt.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Whether you guys like it or not, it's the Americanization of US life style towards western societies in Europe, Asia and South America too. How you ask? US fast food chains, unhealthy snack foods and sweet beverages. The damage began in the early, mid-1980's when fast food chains expanded across the pond.
When I moved to Europe there were no fast food chains and in Copenhagen only 2 pizza restaurants. Now these food chains are so close to each other, you can smell the fat. Every street corner there today has a pizza take-out business. Before it was pubs. Everyone is drinking colas etc. now. The population is exercising less. I used to take public transportation or bicycle to my work about 6 km. one way. Now cheap Asian vehicles are available to almost everyone at affordable prices.
70% Americans are overweight and 1/3 obese. The epidemic has been spreading overseas for over 20 years. IMHO the desire to improve the bottom line yearly has caused these problems. People need to be educated on the dangers of putting junk food in their mouth.
Another reason why so many more people are overweight is the mix of ethnic groups in families.
Hey Aussie, when will you be in DK?[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you, I will probably be in DK next week. So far Germany has been a disappointment, after several enjoyable visits, this place has gone south. As far as Americans being overweight, yes its true, but Germans are HUGE, many Aussies are not bronzed surfers as well. Almost all the food I have seen in Germany is pretty much crap, Maccas are all over, kebab shops and other not so healthy eats. I went to three non sex saunas around Cologne and Dusseldorf and only saw small elephants.
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It definitely doesn't hurt.... since the beginning of the year I have been on the warpath regarding my personal appearance... weight, taking care of my hair, clothes etc... and BOY you sure notice the difference in looks...
the BIG difference is that in the USA I'm just not interested BACK anymore... in Colombia I am :P
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]It definitely doesn't hurt.... since the beginning of the year I have been on the warpath regarding my personal appearance... weight, taking care of my hair, clothes etc... and BOY you sure notice the difference in looks...
the BIG difference is that in the USA I'm just not interested BACK anymore... in Colombia I am :P[/QUOTE]I was in Medellin late last year and there were some chubbsters there as well. It won't be long. As people in all these places earn more and goods become more affordable to the avg person. Cheap cars will come, so they don't have to walk as much. A lot of businesses didn't want to go into Columbia because of the violence and drug wars but as crime rates go down, businesses will come. McDonalds and Domino's will spring up in the poorer neighborhoods. Not just poblado and then everyone will have a chance to get fat. Columbians already like beef, its only a matter of time. Then the woman's movement comes next. To rearrange the attitude. Its all coming to a theater near you. As they say.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]It definitely doesn't hurt.... since the beginning of the year I have been on the warpath regarding my personal appearance... weight, taking care of my hair, clothes etc... and BOY you sure notice the difference in looks...
the BIG difference is that in the USA I'm just not interested BACK anymore... in Colombia I am :P[/QUOTE]
Maybe once we reach goals we're happy with, we can post before and afters, eh?
And I need to make it to Colombia sooner rather than later...
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I was in Medellin late last year and there were some chubbsters there as well. It won't be long. As people in all these places earn more and goods become more affordable to the avg person. Cheap cars will come, so they don't have to walk as much. A lot of businesses didn't want to go into Columbia because of the violence and drug wars but as crime rates go down, businesses will come. McDonalds and Domino's will spring up in the poorer neighborhoods. Not just poblado and then everyone will have a chance to get fat. Columbians already like beef, its only a matter of time. Then the woman's movement comes next. To rearrange the attitude. Its all coming to a theater near you. As they say.[/QUOTE]
Nothing's wrong with eating beef, IN Colombia. But yeah if people eat more and more processed food, they WILL get fatter and fatter, no doubt... depends on how people's consciousness is.... I frankly don't see it out of the richer neighborhoods in Colombia, the mentality is too different... it's some serious body culture in those places, it's a bit like ancient Sparta..
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Nothing's wrong with eating beef, IN Colombia. But yeah if people eat more and more processed food, they WILL get fatter and fatter, no doubt... depends on how people's consciousness is.... I frankly don't see it out of the richer neighborhoods in Colombia, the mentality is too different... it's some serious body culture in those places, it's a bit like ancient Sparta..[/QUOTE]You have to be kidding me. While we were there we couldn't find a decent gym. They are almost non existence there. There maybe like one in Medellin period. Decent. Columbians are nothing compared to like Brazilians who now if you want to talk a body culture. Now you're talking. But Columbia. The people are only thin because of poverty and lack of transportation. So they walk everywhere and do manual labor. Once they prosper and business grows. Their bodies will grow right along with it. Especially when you look at their traditional meals. They eat damn hearty.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]You have to be kidding me. While we were there we couldn't find a decent gym. They are almost non existence there. There maybe like one in Medellin period. Decent. Columbians are nothing compared to like Brazilians who now if you want to talk a body culture. Now you're talking. But Columbia. The people are only thin because of poverty and lack of transportation. So they walk everywhere and do manual labor. Once they prosper and business grows. Their bodies will grow right along with it. Especially when you look at their traditional meals. They eat damn hearty.[/QUOTE]
Americans are fat because they eat a lot of processed shit and shit full of chemicals. It's not that easy to get fat on natural foods. In some parts of Colombia they eat too much starch and their bodies wind up looking starchy :P
And who needs a gym? Get on a bicycle and ride! Do some yoga and some chin ups and push ups and stretches! Gyms are fake ass shit!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Americans are fat because they eat a lot of processed shit and shit full of chemicals. It's not that easy to get fat on natural foods. In some parts of Colombia they eat too much starch and their bodies wind up looking starchy :P
And who needs a gym? Get on a bicycle and ride! Do some yoga and some chin ups and push ups and stretches! Gyms are fake ass shit![/QUOTE]
I agree with processed food and lack of exercise.
Another of the causes of fat in the USA is meat with hormones, which is forbidden in Europe. I lived as an expat in the USA, and immediately started taking weight. When I stopped eating meat (on the advice of other expats there), I immediately lost weight.
Another factor is the constant deluge of advertisements for food. When one opens the TV there is propaganda for food nearly non stop, and it makes you hungry.
Regards
B.B
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme] ...Living here (Manhattan) does have its upside, even though some of you NASTY, SCABBY, AIDS-coated 10 CENT HO BAGS have had the nerve to ask me "Why do you live THERE? Why in THAT building? Why don't you live in a penthouse? Why don't you drive a Jaguar? Why is your sausage only 6 inches? I want at least 9 inches long...
You STUPID, STUPID, SILLY, CHILDISH, MIND-F*CKING WOMEN WITH A GENITAL WART FOR A BRAIN, this is NOT Sex and the City! Having things does not make you happy! Not every guy is Mr. Big! You are not going to marry Derek Jeter or a European soccer star ! ...[/QUOTE]
I agree with you that it is all Obama's fault, but I must say, having things DOES make you happy! Take for example my 9-inch lady killer, it has not brought me eternal and unending happiness, but it has brought me and many women small 15-minute increments of the most intense pleasure at happily frequent intervals! Up to 5 times a day? But it gives with one hand and takes to the other intense intervals of pleasure followed by years of pain and misery trying to deal with the women and endless complaints pay for all the kids and the other baggage that comes with 9-inch-cocks...
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In my case it is not my dick they love; it is my pile driving ass. And here once again the AW fall short. When they are saying "Stop! Stop! My pussy is sore!" the Latinas are grabbing my ass and yelling "¡Cojeme fuerte, Toro! ¡Fuerte [b]fuerte FUERTE[/b]! Ay mi amorrrr"
Latinas you grab them by the hair and you look them straight in the eye and you fuck them so hard their eyes roll back in their heads. You fuck them like they stole your lunch money. I love how they will put their hands up over their heads in a gesture of utter submission. BTW if you pin their arms down with your forearm you still have one hand free to yank on their hair.
I used to fuck this gal from Paraguay who was part Chinese. Long black shiny hair down to her ass (of course there are thousands or millions of women here like that), hard, muscular body (boxing was her hobby). She would wind all her hair up on top of her head, clasp her hands and bow (the [i]wai[/i]), and then suck me off. Then she would suck off my housemate and any house guests that happened to be around. The great thing is I could still fuck her any time I wanted to. I could call her right now and she would be here in an hour. But with so many *****houses in my immediate neighborhood, I have no need to wait an hour.
And Latina women [i]never[/i] say, "Can we just cuddle right now? I really just need to be held." They need to be [b]fucked[/b]. Afterwards they will cuddle but to them, cuddling without fucking is just retarded.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]...Latinas you grab them by the hair and you look them straight in the eye and you fuck them so hard their eyes roll back in their heads. You fuck them like they stole your lunch money...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm fucking this crazy latina she has the biggest knockers-to-little-ass ratio I have ever seen, I swear she is shaped like a top, she had a hourglass waist but i went and got her preggo ruined that oh well she is still hot as fuck... I thought being preggo would slow her down but NOOOO she is worse now she grinds her head back in my face spoils my concentration robs me of orgasm again and again just at right (wrong) moment so I have to cock my head to the side where she can't get me she reaches back to grab my head to pull it around it so I have to cock it way over to the side she must be doing ti on purpose to prolong her pleasure or she reaches an arm up to push herself from the headboard and start rocking which throws me off my game so I gotta drag her into middle of the bed where she can't reach the bedboard and now I'm getting a repetitive stress injury I got this crick in my neck takes like two days to go away... I'm going to have to start tying her ass up.
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Yeah, well, the one I nail the hardest is exactly perfectly proportioned to where tits = ass within a tolerance of two standard deviations. I gave her a T-shirt that says "Warning: Dangerous Curves Ahead" except I told her it said "Save The Harp Seals." But we are not talking big knockers here. We are talking 34-24-34 with skin the color of toasted honey. Also her pussy gushes with a mixture of honey and cinnamon, perhaps a touch of clove.
Latina women do get pregnant very easily, and in fact have many schemes to do so, and spend a lot of time thinking about how to get pregnant and by whom. But, it ain't gonna be by me so I just blow load after load after load into them with no consequences whatsoever.
AW thinks, "Oh good; he didn't come so now I won't have that stuff dripping out of me all day long." Latina thinks, "He didn't come and so I did something wrong and now he will go find someone else." So if you have good control, you can then torture the Latina by withholding the leche. This is a lot of fun. Of course, you don't withhold it forever!
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Yeah, well, the one I nail the hardest is exactly perfectly proportioned to where tits = ass within a tolerance of two standard deviations. I gave her a T-shirt that says "Warning: Dangerous Curves Ahead" except I told her it said "Save The Harp Seals." But we are not talking big knockers here. We are talking 34-24-34 with skin the color of toasted honey. Also her pussy gushes with a mixture of honey and cinnamon, perhaps a touch of clove.
Latina women do get pregnant very easily, and in fact have many schemes to do so, and spend a lot of time thinking about how to get pregnant and by whom. But, it ain't gonna be by me so I just blow load after load after load into them with no consequences whatsoever.
AW thinks, "Oh good; he didn't come so now I won't have that stuff dripping out of me all day long." Latina thinks, "He didn't come and so I did something wrong and now he will go find someone else." So if you have good control, you can then torture the Latina by withholding the leche. This is a lot of fun. Of course, you don't withhold it forever![/QUOTE]
I think its safe to say, outside of America that sex is not a bad thing. In other cultures sex is just not for reproduction, its for entertainment!
I don't hear the headache/cuddle stories coming out of many men that have experienced dating Eastern European, South American, Asian or even Western European Women (Brits not withstanding), it just doesn't happen.
It seems to me the goals of these women are the following -
1) Cater To/Please My Husband/Boyfriend or he'll go somewhere else
2) Family is extremely important, I will not have a child without a husband or committed boyfriend.
3) Sex happens before, during and after pregnancy
I do see trends with Western European women that get weired it out about discussions of children too soon. This was a recent subject on another forum and it was brought up by a late 30's, early 40's German lady. What I find however is the trend to delay child birth until your well into your 30's when you feel you can handle it financially and mentally. Just hear me out, I know children are not a favorite subject around here, but its obvious some men here are in their late 20, 30's or early 40's and desire to have children. I think the ONLY reason to get married is if you want to have children and nothing else. I think you could honestly get away with a series of long term girlfriends and call it good if you don't wanna have kids.
Anyway, this quest for individualism has slowed child birth so badly in Western Europe its made immigration a front burner issue, changed laws to encourage child birth and god knows what else. Congrats Crazy Jim however on your impending birth. In America we have so much teenage pregnancy and immigrants having kids its just not an issue here.
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The issue here is that AW think, you'll take whatever they give you because the likelihood of you getting it some place else is very low, or so they think. That or they think another loser is around the corner waiting to replace your arse so effectively dick becomes fungible. Well I argue Pussy in general is fungible (Thanks Dickhead!), its easy for American men to replace your ass with something else..... Which is why they boo Eastern European Women, Asian Women and South American Women as desperate puppets and most West Europeans as a notch below them.
AW believe with every part of their being that they are the best thing for American men and American men in droves believe it. You can say what you want about services like A Foreign Affair but as the owner points out.
"It doesn't matter how many times we have done this. We have been doing this for 15 years and for every 10 or 15 that come to our seminars, watch our web show or Monday call-in shows, only 1-2 end up going on a tour." "We have thousands of testimonials, engagements, marriages and guys still won't get on that plane and go..."
This proves that no matter how much you peddle Colombian women, Chinese Women, Russian/Ukraine Women, whatever, too many American men feel there's something wrong with you if you can't strike gold at home.
ThatGuy is convinced there's an American Women for every Single American guy, he just need to find some self-confidence, dress better, loose some weight and learn how to talk to ladies.
While I'll keep saying, no matter how much money you got, how suave you are, even those guys run into problems and if they tell you that they have a different woman in their bed every night, they are LYING.
I have just enough self-confidence, I'm not fat, I don't look my age and I know how to talk to women, I do get laid every now and again.
For the rest of us Beta types, people like Thatguy still say its OUR problem, not the women involved. He explains that all women everywhere are the same and that because my ass is broke and live at home, that's the basic hold up.
How bitches know I live at home is beyond me, its not written on my forehead. I'm kidding, but they can't know, I tell them if they ask. Is it the kiss of death, it could be. But not everybody knows this, the result is -
1) Fat Women
2) Fat Single Mothers
3) Over The Hill Single Women
Some 40 year old woman with 3 kids calling me a looser for bashing AW and saying Europeans or South Americans are marked improvement. Yes they are I have proof! Another 30something single mother who ran into some fiscal issues and had to move back in with moms. Had the nerve to call me looser for living at home, isn't that hypocrisy?
What Thatguy FAILS to understand is that in America, in my neck of the woods, most of the women available to me are mid to late 30's with children. My buddy just married such a woman a few years ago, he was just tired of being single. He was fanatical about dick suckers, so I suppose she really could polish a trailer hitch. She had 3 kids from a previous relationship, is this what Thatguy wants for me?
AW single without children profiles are loaded with pre-qualifiers I don't meet.
In Europe (even South America) I can safely date, 10-12-15 years younger than my age and there isn't any issue. This is ideal, I want to have children, I want to be a first time parent.
If another idiot tells me I should only focus on AW I'm going to pimp slap them, its not reality, its a falsehood, just because other American Guys marry American Women doesn't mean its correct. It just means its convenient and non-controversial, that's why American guys do it and for that reason ONLY.
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I think you are the only one who wants to have children. A bunch of others don't want to use rubbers and so are going to have children, but that is a different thing.
Anyway you only think you want to have children. Once you have them you won't want them.
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[quote=dickhead]i think you are the only one who wants to have children. a bunch of others don't want to use rubbers and so are going to have children, but that is a different thing.
anyway you only think you want to have children. once you have them you won't want them.[/quote]
sure i would... i love children, i don't love other people's children, but i will love mine, because they are mine.
actually most of the guys that post in this thread don't wanna get married, so of course they don't wanna have kids. but i'm not the only one in this thread.
besides your the guy that said i should consider single mothers that don't want to have any more kids because i would have missed all the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] changing and all that. i suppose getting kids already as toddlers would kinda make sense. but those aren't my kids and no jigging with court papers will make that so, that's not my blood.
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F as in Fat. As seen on TV.
NBC Nightly News reported obesity increases in almost every state. Besides AW and AM this includes children too.
Quote "Adult obesity rates increased in 28 states in the past year, and declined only in the District of Columbia (D.C.), according to F as in Fat: How Obesity Threatens America's Future 2010, a report from the Trust for America's Health (TFAH) and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF). More than two-thirds of states (38) have adult obesity rates above 25 percent. In 1991, no state had an obesity rate above 20 percent" Unquote.
The link attached will give you more information on each individual state.
[url]http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2010/[/url]
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]NBC Nightly News reported obesity increases in almost every state. Besides AW and AM this includes children too.
Quote "Adult obesity rates increased in 28 states in the past year, and declined only in the District of Columbia (D.C.), according to F as in Fat: How Obesity Threatens America's Future 2010, a report from the Trust for America's Health (TFAH) and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF). More than two-thirds of states (38) have adult obesity rates above 25 percent. In 1991, no state had an obesity rate above 20 percent" Unquote.
The link attached will give you more information on each individual state.
[url]http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2010/[/url][/QUOTE]
This is true but you can still find thin women in America, it might only be harder in rural America. My problem with thin women is they have entitlement issues...
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]This is true but you can still find thin women in America, it might only be harder in rural America. My problem with thin women is they have entitlement issues...[/QUOTE]
If an AW is fit, slim, well shaped, not overweight, there is probably a high maintenance price tag attached.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]If an AW is fit, slim, well shaped, not overweight, there is probably a high maintenance price tag attached.[/QUOTE]
No, not always true. There are plenty of thin women with low self esteem who are easy to pickup and don't cost that much.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And who needs a gym? Get on a bicycle and ride! Do some yoga and some chin ups and push ups and stretches! Gyms are fake ass shit![/QUOTE]Yeah its not about the gyms. And not even fat or not fat food. Long time ago I had a Slovak girlfriend(it was in Czech Republic). Her body was perfect. I asked here what does she do for that, going to gym a lot? She said she never goes to gym. She just likes sex and it keeps her in shape. At the same time she loved fat full of cholesterol Czech food and drank lots of wine.
USA probably has the most of weight loss advertisements, foods, medicines, gyms, weight loss classes, innovative devices, etc.. But it is still getting fatter and fatter, one of the leading(second?) country in the world. So gyms have nothing to do with overweight people.
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Consider women with eating disorders. Bulimic women have no gag reflex and therefore give great head. Anorexic women are cheap dates but have issues with CIM as it could contain calories.
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Dj four. You got me all wrong. I don't think there is an AW out there for every AM. And I don't say everyone should date AW.
What I say is if you like South Amer Women fine. Eastern European. Fine. But that doesn't make AW bad. They are just not your cup of tea. If you need a woman to be easy to obtain. So be it.
But don't say AM who do like AW have a problem or don't know what they are missing. As I have said before, plenty of guys have been in the military, served all over the world. Slept with women from all of these locations. But then come back and marry AW. So its not like they don't know whats out there. They know and don't care. They like AW.
There's a lot to be said, having someone who can understand where you're coming from. They catch the little nuances of your sayings, jokes. These are things that you lose in translations with a foreigners. Not all men choice women ONLY because they are good in bed. Personality accounts for a lot.
I think a lot of the guys who have issues with AW are guys who put Sex at the top of their list for a good relationship. And thats fine. But not all men have that as their #1. And thats where I believe those who can't stand AW and those who can differ.
Just because you like vanila it doesn't mean chocolate has to be bad.
TG. Ya dig
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Let me just say Western European=American/Anglo/Aussie women, pretty much sums it up. I do not see a huge difference between them and women in English speaking countries. American girls idolize big shots and so do European women. Aussies are no different in that regard either. Eastern Europeans are still hot though but for some reason, I only started running into some in the last few days. A gorgeous Romanian, and finally a Russian. But its still the same, money, good looks, good prospects and you get the girl. And this is the case everywhere these days in this global economy. Asian women still seem to keep their femininity but that will change too as those Asian countries come up to par or surpass the West, the latter being more likely.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]No, not always true. There are plenty of thin women with low self esteem who are easy to pickup and don't cost that much.[/QUOTE]
You mean the Mousey types? Strung out on some controlled substance? Those are quite common in rural areas as well considering not much else to do but tipping cattle and running through corn fields.
Yes low self-esteem as well, missing teeth from meth use, yep they are skinny alright.
Out of 100 or so profiles, I might fine ONE women under 30 willing to go down to 40 for a "mate" and usually she's not all that thin and childless. But then I need to have a college education, etc, etc, etc.
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Every girl in a strip club has low self esteem, many are very good looking, not all do meth, not all are expensive, some even have not had babies yet. Hang out in enough strip clubs long enough you will find the perfect woman and also enjoy the search. I've pulled a few women from strip clubs, never paid any of them. Some were head cases, some were very nice. College education? That is hard to find in a stripper. But what the fuck for? College does not improve performance in bed. Highly overrated...
Oh, you probably don't want to run through cornfields.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]You mean the Mousey types? Strung out on some controlled substance? Those are quite common in rural areas as well considering not much else to do but tipping cattle and running through corn fields.
Yes low self-esteem as well, missing teeth from meth use, yep they are skinny alright.
Out of 100 or so profiles, I might fine ONE women under 30 willing to go down to 40 for a "mate" and usually she's not all that thin and childless. But then I need to have a college education, etc, etc, etc.[/QUOTE]
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Latinas
[QUOTE=Dickhead]...34-24-34 with skin the color of toasted honey. Also her pussy gushes with a mixture of honey and cinnamon, perhaps a touch of clove.[/QUOTE]That sounds like my girlfriend!
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]If an AW is fit, slim, well shaped, not overweight, there is probably a high maintenance price tag attached.[/QUOTE]Really, just met an American tourist that fits the physical description, but it turns out she is a lot friendlier than most women I have met towards an English speaking bloke like myself. Many people I have run into just do not speak English which makes breaking the ice a lot harder.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Consider women with eating disorders. Bulimic women have no gag reflex and therefore give great head. Anorexic women are cheap dates but have issues with CIM as it could contain calories.[/QUOTE]
Possibly the greatest post in the history of this forum!
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I do see trends with Western European women that get weired it out about discussions of children too soon...What I find however is the trend to delay child birth until your well into your 30's when you feel you can handle it financially and mentally. .[/QUOTE]
You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Its pretty good, there are some great LOL moments. Anyway, there's a part where Clevon the redneck impregnates all the girls in the trailer park, and his football star son does the same to the cheerleaders, and Upgraydde the pimp impregnates all his hos.
This is contrasted with a stereotypical well-to-do white couple, who say things like "Its just not responsible to have children in today's market". They keep waiting, they get older, the husband's sperm count drops, and eventually the husband dies from masturbating too hard to provide samples for artificial insemination. The widow then says that she has frozen some of her eggs, for when "the right man" comes along (Sound familiar?)
The results being that in 500 years, everyone's an idiot.
IMO in Europe, the results will be everyone's a Muslim. In North America, I don't know what the results will be but anyway those are topics for another website.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]NBC Nightly News reported obesity increases in almost every state. Besides AW and AM this includes children too.
Quote "Adult obesity rates increased in 28 states in the past year, and declined only in the District of Columbia (D.C.), according to F as in Fat: How Obesity Threatens America's Future 2010, a report from the Trust for America's Health (TFAH) and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF). More than two-thirds of states (38) have adult obesity rates above 25 percent. In 1991, no state had an obesity rate above 20 percent" Unquote.
The link attached will give you more information on each individual state.
[url]http://healthyamericans.org/reports/obesity2010/[/url][/QUOTE]Well Europe is not much better these days either, Germany, the most populous Western European country is the fattest country in Europe:
[url]http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2460579,00.html[/url]
Britain comes in close. My own country unfortunately is also the same these days. Its not just an American problem.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks] Many people I have run into just do not speak English which makes breaking the ice a lot harder.[/QUOTE]
While in Germany, France, Switzerland and Austria you will not find many women willing to talk to you in English. Visit The Netherlands and Scandinavia to find women whom enjoy speaking English. BTW, Get your butt to Copenhagen now for the Roskilde Festival July 1-4.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I think you are the only one who wants to have children. A bunch of others don't want to use rubbers and so are going to have children, but that is a different thing.
Anyway you only think you want to have children. Once you have them you won't want them.[/QUOTE]
I want to have kids too. I want to have descendants and spread my seed. I just want to have them with a decent woman who is in her 20s and is going to be a good mommy.
I need a younger woman because of her energy (I'll prob be in my 40s) and because the younger the woman is when she has kids, the better she'll hold on to her looks and figure.
Being an ex-teacher I've 1000s of students from 11-18 so I have a pretty good idea of what to expect and I'd like to think I'll be a good father.
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I think if you start talking about a guy over 40 having kids, it's a bit unfair to the kid. OK maybe now it is more like 45 or so. But my dad was 42 and he just did not have the energy to deal with the teenage shit when he was by then in his late 50s. Around 30 is the right time to have kids, from what I have seen. Under 20 and over 40, not so much.
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Another thing about having kids, nobody wants to talk about it, but it really does sorta ruin the pussy. Yeah you can have the tightening up procedure done but still the lips droop and so forth. One solution to this is instead of getting your wife pregnant, get the Paraguayan maid pregnant. That way none of it is really your problem.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I think if you start talking about a guy over 40 having kids, it's a bit unfair to the kid. OK maybe now it is more like 45 or so. But my dad was 42 and he just did not have the energy to deal with the teenage shit when he was by then in his late 50s. Around 30 is the right time to have kids, from what I have seen. Under 20 and over 40, not so much.[/QUOTE]
You're scaring me man!
But listen, I know its time to get serious, I've known for a year or two now. In fact, in the last 2 yrs, 3 guys I know who were/are serious ladies men have tied the knot - we're all 36 yo btw.
At this point, of all my close friends only 2 are not married. I would also include most of my friends from HS in there. One is successful and good looking and dates hot russian bitches, and has started commenting to me how its kinda weird we're the only 2 not hitched yet. His 29 yo old GF now wants to marry him b/c she desperately wants a child(they had a huge fight Sat night about that very issue) but he wants a girl with bigger boobs lol and he wants to bang more women. He's a late bloomer like me. I lost my virginity at 20, he at 21. Thing is is that his girl is hot so its tough for him to break it off w/out a backup in place.
The other friend lives in a small mountain town, 1/2 an hour away from a small city in Italy, so the pickings are real slim. He's desperately shy, so I'm not sure how the hell he's ever going to get married. He probably needs a woman to make all the moves.
I'm trying to get him to come to Prague with me b/c I think he's still a virgin - even though we're tight and I love him like a brother, I've never asked and I never will since I know how shy he is.
Anyway Dickhead, what you're saying is why I KNOW the woman has to be younger than me.
I know time is running out for me with American women. When I go back to college next year will probably be my last good opportunity to meet a wifey and live the stereotypical american lifestyle. After that it'll have to be South America or Eastern Europe.
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Dickhead, OOC how many kids do you have? if its too personal a question to answer, I understand.
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That number would be zero as I had myself fixed prior to engaging in matrimony for the first and only time. But I lost my virginity at 13 and when I was 15 I took off to México with my 27 year old neighbor who was kind of pretty much married at the time. In my case I knew from when I was about 8 years old that I did not want kids. Wifey had a hereditary disease in her family, Huntington's, so that made for a handy excuse, but was not really the reason. I thought I knew of one happy marriage among my friends but now they are in counseling and considering divorce.
Anyway no more wives or girlfriends for me. Hookers can become friends after a while so what is the point? I consider myself happily divorced and my ex is a good person but I seldom think of her any more and never when I am fucking nubile Latina hookers.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Every girl in a strip club has low self esteem, many are very good looking, not all do meth, not all are expensive, some even have not had babies yet. Hang out in enough strip clubs long enough you will find the perfect woman and also enjoy the search. I've pulled a few women from strip clubs, never paid any of them. Some were head cases, some were very nice. College education? That is hard to find in a stripper. But what the fuck for? College does not improve performance in bed. Highly overrated...
Oh, you probably don't want to run through cornfields.[/QUOTE]
Cornfields likely not...lol
I've thought Strippers were a tough nut to crack. 1) you do have to spend many hours in there to gain trust and maybe respect. 2) the pay off might be okay, but we have low grade strippers here. The only one I have seen lately is the GF of a guy I met at washing the car one day about two or three years ago. He happens to be one of the managers though and she's actually a porn star. I forget her name.
Anyway, even she wasn't without problems according to him, but the pussy was fantastic so it was worth the trouble. I haven't talked to him lately but I'm fairly sure they are still together.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]You ever see the movie Idiocracy? Its pretty good, there are some great LOL moments. Anyway, there's a part where Clevon the redneck impregnates all the girls in the trailer park, and his football star son does the same to the cheerleaders, and Upgraydde the pimp impregnates all his hos.
This is contrasted with a stereotypical well-to-do white couple, who say things like "Its just not responsible to have children in today's market". They keep waiting, they get older, the husband's sperm count drops, and eventually the husband dies from masturbating too hard to provide samples for artificial insemination. The widow then says that she has frozen some of her eggs, for when "the right man" comes along (Sound familiar?)
The results being that in 500 years, everyone's an idiot.
IMO in Europe, the results will be everyone's a Muslim. In North America, I don't know what the results will be but anyway those are topics for another website.[/QUOTE]
I don't know there's quite a bit of backlash especially in Holland, UK, Switzerland and France. Not to generalize but they seem not to want to assimilate into Western Culture. I mean almost every where they are, you start hearing reports of honor killings and arranged marriages, you know shit that just don't jive in "modern" society.
They aren't involved in interracial relationships. Only the men are, seems they are allowed. But women, no way and families tend to be very protective. I say that kind of pussy is way too much trouble and not even that hot in most cases.
If the Muslims take over Europe, it will be Europeans own fault. As I said individualism has override child birth and parenting. By the time women are finished with higher education and start their careers they are in the mid 20's. By the time they might be in a position to consider somebody serious, they are just about 30, but then there are hardly any men that want to have a family. So it becomes a game of wait and see or every 1-2 years trade in boyfriend for one that might want children. Soon your in your late 30's still holding on. If you haven't gone down the frozen egg road, then you're still waiting. Those are the women that want children.. The ones that don't are wishy washy about it because they know beyond 30 that hurts their chances with single men if they just say "I don't want children".
But anyway, its the low birth rate that has the Governments concerned and looking towards immigration for a sort of short term fix for a long term problem.
The reality is, there will be only a few countries still be majority Caucasian by 2050.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]I want to have kids too. I want to have descendants and spread my seed. I just want to have them with a decent woman who is in her 20s and is going to be a good mommy.
I need a younger woman because of her energy (I'll prob be in my 40s) and because the younger the woman is when she has kids, the better she'll hold on to her looks and figure.
Being an ex-teacher I've 1000s of students from 11-18 so I have a pretty good idea of what to expect and I'd like to think I'll be a good father.[/QUOTE]
That shouldn't be your own concern, rates of birth defects goes WAY up south of 30 years old and peak around 40 years old. I recently pointed that out and I got the obligatory "I got friends all over 40 that have had healthy children". Do you wanna cookie? All I know like you I'm sure it would suck to wait all this time to find somebody your compatible with, try to have your first child only for them to have some problem, SIDS or worst Downs Syndrome.
All these things increase dramatically after age 35 according to the March of Dimes.
So like you I'm focused on mid to late 20's, early 30's MAX and I have to go to South America or Eastern Europe to get what I want. I don't like Asian women enough to go much further.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]You're scaring me man!
But listen, I know its time to get serious, I've known for a year or two now. In fact, in the last 2 yrs, 3 guys I know who were/are serious ladies men have tied the knot - we're all 36 yo btw.
At this point, of all my close friends only 2 are not married. I would also include most of my friends from HS in there. One is successful and good looking and dates hot russian bitches, and has started commenting to me how its kinda weird we're the only 2 not hitched yet. His 29 yo old GF now wants to marry him b/c she desperately wants a child(they had a huge fight Sat night about that very issue) but he wants a girl with bigger boobs lol and he wants to bang more women. He's a late bloomer like me. I lost my virginity at 20, he at 21. Thing is is that his girl is hot so its tough for him to break it off w/out a backup in place.
The other friend lives in a small mountain town, 1/2 an hour away from a small city in Italy, so the pickings are real slim. He's desperately shy, so I'm not sure how the hell he's ever going to get married. He probably needs a woman to make all the moves.
I'm trying to get him to come to Prague with me b/c I think he's still a virgin - even though we're tight and I love him like a brother, I've never asked and I never will since I know how shy he is.
Anyway Dickhead, what you're saying is why I KNOW the woman has to be younger than me.
I know time is running out for me with American women. When I go back to college next year will probably be my last good opportunity to meet a wifey and live the stereotypical american lifestyle. After that it'll have to be South America or Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE]
We're all living much longer and in most cases much better condition than generations before. I see many late 30's and 40something males holding toddlers and its not their grand children. I see the same aged men dropping off kids at grade school. I think its fairly normal now and according to a few sources a continuing tread, people are just waiting longer to get married and start having a family, this is especially true for college educated couples.
Where this is a problem for Western Europe because it leads to lower birth rates, here we have so much teenage pregnancy and immigrants having kids, it just doesn't matter.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]...I've thought Strippers were a tough nut to crack. 1) you do have to spend many hours in there to gain trust and maybe respect... the pussy was fantastic so it was worth the trouble...[/QUOTE]
Strippers are same as any other women, just easier to approach. Figure 1 out of 10 women will say yes. If you talked to 10 women in the mall, even if 1 was predisposed to like you, they would all think you're a psycho because hitting women up in the mall is kind of awkward. If you talk to 10 strippers, they would all be happy to talk cuz they want a tip. So it is a lot easier to talk to 10 strippers to find 1 who likes you than it is to talk to 10 civilians. You see one you like talk a little get a lap dance see if you click, ask her if she dates, if she doesn't, move on, you're back 15 minutes and $5. I saw one I liked the other day, got one hell of a lap dance, she was really grinding didn't seem to care about the time at all. But I was heading out of town on business, haven't been back in 2 weeks, have to go look her up.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]...The reality is, there will be only a few countries still be majority Caucasian by 2050.[/QUOTE]
The Americas used to be all Amerindian, now, you can't find a pureblooded Amerinidain, they're all part white. Same for so-called blacks in the Americas. They're all part white. I expect it is same in Oceana. So the world today is a lot whiter than it was 400 years ago.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]
At this point, of all my close friends only 2 are not married. I would also include most of my friends from HS in there. One is successful and good looking and dates hot russian bitches, and has started commenting to me how its kinda weird we're the only 2 not hitched yet. His 29 yo old GF now wants to marry him b/c she desperately wants a child(they had a huge fight Sat night about that very issue) but he wants a girl with bigger boobs lol and he wants to bang more women. He's a late bloomer like me. I lost my virginity at 20, he at 21. Thing is is that his girl is hot so its tough for him to break it off w/out a backup in place.
I know time is running out for me with American women. When I go back to college next year will probably be my last good opportunity to meet a wifey and live the stereotypical american lifestyle. After that it'll have to be South America or Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE]
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Unless he meets some girl that's looking to be a model, actress or sponsorship, almost every single Slavic girl is going to want to have kids and at a fairly early age. Its just their culture, they are considered over the hill in their mid to late 20's! If your not married and have kids by 30, many consider you a lost cause! For Western Men having lived in a post NOW world, its unusual for women so young to be ready to have deeply committed relationships and children. So I would suggest to him if he's not ready, let her go and find somebody that she want to have kids with, its only fair.
Why deal with the drama (battles)?
Time for me has ran out... The women over 35 interested in me is double or triple of the women under 30 are interested in me. I might be selling my self a bit short, but as I said if a woman puts up a requirement of Professional and College Educated on her profile, why should I bother her? I know I don't meet those standards.
Women outside of North America just don't have those same demands. The only women that don't share that are single mothers but even then that's moderated by how good they look.
So its Eastern Europe or South America or Bust! Eastern Europe has a slight edge and I share your friends desire to find a Slavic girl with ample bosom. Most tend to be model skinny which is good, but seriously lacking in derriere and boobs department. I think I would settle for a decent B cup or small C cup which on a really thin girl looks bigger than it is. Latinas can suffer from this as well, though a bit rare.
The only requirement I have actually is that she speak at least conversational English. All the other stuff is a dime a dozen (good looks, thin bodies, etc, etc.)
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[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]Strippers are same as any other women, just easier to approach. Figure 1 out of 10 women will say yes. If you talked to 10 women in the mall, even if 1 was predisposed to like you, they would all think you're a psycho because hitting women up in the mall is kind of awkward. If you talk to 10 strippers, they would all be happy to talk cuz they want a tip. So it is a lot easier to talk to 10 strippers to find 1 who likes you than it is to talk to 10 civilians. You see one you like talk a little get a lap dance see if you click, ask her if she dates, if she doesn't, move on, you're back 15 minutes and $5. I saw one I liked the other day, got one hell of a lap dance, she was really grinding didn't seem to care about the time at all. But I was heading out of town on business, haven't been back in 2 weeks, have to go look her up.
The Americas used to be all Amerindian, now, you can't find a pureblooded Amerinidain, they're all part white. Same for so-called blacks in the Americas. They're all part white. I expect it is same in Oceana. So the world today is a lot whiter than it was 400 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Actually I'm all Black, some Indian and a tiny bit of Chinese... My aunt Marlyn is White however (by marriage), so is my cousin Bernadette who's British (cousin by marriage).
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
If the Muslims take over Europe, it will be Europeans own fault.
The reality is, there will be only a few countries still be majority Caucasian by 2050.[/QUOTE]
In the future everyone will either be Chinese or Indian and of muslim religion. That's like 4billion of the world population right there.
Don't know how other people feel about that, but if the muslims 'invade' Europe I would hate it. Just not my culture and I don't relate with it at all.
Power by numbers, can't do anything to stop 67% of the world population fucking & mixing with the other 30% of which will end up diluted and bred out.
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How much would you pay.....
Here's a 54+ yr old AW demanding no less than $250 for an hour of her time. What do you fellas think, is she worth it? She's not worth it IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's a 54+ yr old AW demanding no less than $250 for an hour of her time. What do you fellas think, is she worth it? She's not worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]I could pick up something better in Kings Cross for 50AUD. $250 for that?
WTF.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Looks like trailer trash to me.[/QUOTE]
She looks like the kind of girl who used to blow the roadies to get to go backstage at Poison/Bon Jovi/ Def Leppard/Whitesnake concerts.
Probably can suck a mean dick. Too bad I wouldn't let her near it.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's a 54+ yr old AW demanding no less than $250 for an hour of her time. What do you fellas think, is she worth it? She's not worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]Even thought she paid me a million I would not be able to do her.
But I would rather pay you $250 so you do not post such pics, so I save my laptop fro vomiting on it:)
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[QUOTE=Jon32]In the future everyone will either be Chinese or Indian and of muslim religion. That's like 4billion of the world population right there.
Don't know how other people feel about that, but if the muslims 'invade' Europe I would hate it. Just not my culture and I don't relate with it at all.
Power by numbers, can't do anything to stop 67% of the world population fucking & mixing with the other 30% of which will end up diluted and bred out.[/QUOTE]
Third world citizens have already invaded western Europe continuing their barbaric, fanatic religious practices. The invasion started 25 years ago. By 2050 Europe will be a suburb of most Middle Eastern cities. White Europeans will be an extreme minority. The U.N. demanded countries open their borders to immigration. I know my facts because I've lived half my life in Europe, now relocated back to the U.S.A. I've seen the invasion and its depressing.
Another member wrote today they will not assimilate into western society. So very true. European countries have now closed their borders to further immigration except in extreme situations but the damage is done. Some Somalian and Ethiopian immediate family members are 10-20 persons. They get more European social welfare support than most American families earning $8-10 hourly.
Several European countries have offered these immigrants US$25,000 to leave but not enough are accepting the offer. I know this thread is not the place for my comments but when I read another members posting, I feel it necessary to reply.
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I have had my dick enter a girl's throat three times in my life.... once was a pornstar... once was a WG who was in fact bulimic haahahahahah.... once was a girl in Colombia just recently with whom I'm now going out... I don't know her whole story yet...
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Third world citizens have already invaded western Europe continuing their barbaric, fanatic religious practices. The invasion started 25 years ago. By 2050 Europe will be a suburb of most Middle Eastern cities. White Europeans will be an extreme minority. The U.N. demanded countries open their borders to immigration. I know my facts because I've lived half my life in Europe, now relocated back to the U.S.A. I've seen the invasion and its depressing.
Another member wrote today they will not assimilate into western society. So very true. European countries have now closed their borders to further immigration except in extreme situations but the damage is done. Some Somalian and Ethiopian immediate family members are 10-20 persons. They get more European social welfare support than most American families earning $8-10 hourly.
Several European countries have offered these immigrants US$25,000 to leave but not enough are accepting the offer. I know this thread is not the place for my comments but when I read another members posting, I feel it necessary to reply.[/QUOTE]
World population chart. 81% will be African or Asian by 2100. Cant stop people from taking over the world when they're making 10 babies at a time. (I'm looking at you Africa). The highest birthrates in the world come from African and Muslim countries.
Sucks(my opinion), but so be it. Tell your grandkids they better learn to like chinese food and praise Allah.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]World population chart. 81% will be African or Asian by 2100. Cant stop people from taking over the world when they're making 10 babies at a time. (I'm looking at you Africa). The highest birthrates in the world come from African and Muslim countries.
Sucks(my opinion), but so be it. Tell your grandkids they better learn to like chinese food and praise Allah.[/QUOTE]
Coincidence - just read on the news an Islamic man has 430 grandchildren.
No that's not a typo... 430. Quotes from the article:
"Does this 82 year old man not worry about bringing children into a country with many people living in poverty and unemployment at around 40%?
His Answer: "No, because if I lose 200 of my grandchildren, I will still have 200 left. I still think I could manage another 10 or 15 kids." "
Western Civilization ain't competing with guys having 400 grandkids!!
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First, it is not racism but maintaining western standard of living and life style not to be criticized by religious fanatics desire to eradicate our society.
Second, The Australian Continent has the tightest immigration and protectionist laws anywhere. Draw your own conclusion.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]The other thing is that the US and Europe are losing their economic grip on the world, especially the US, China basically keeps America afloat these days also Australia too LOL. People are not calling this the "Asian" century for nothing. For your information the vast majority of humanity is non white already. So just get used to it.
Which invasion NYC? The Muslims or the Mexicans? The US is being overrun with the latter. I have been to the US many times, I often think I am an Latin America when I fly over to LAX, from what I know NY is majority non white too. In South Florida you need to speak Spanish for most jobs.[/QUOTE]
Great, isn't it? There will be much more latina ass!!!
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If you think we should get used to the invasion of 3rd. world citizens in our western society, you're out of your mind. It is them that have to conform to our life style if they want to live in the west.
He should be the first to move to Kabul or Baghdad and try to pick up a woman to p4p wearing a burka. In their world p4p is unlawful and punishable by stoning of women to death and castration of men plus beheading. Is that what you want for your future or our children to live in such a barbaric society?
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Third world citizens have already invaded western Europe continuing their barbaric, fanatic religious practices. The invasion started 25 years ago. By 2050 Europe will be a suburb of most Middle Eastern cities. White Europeans will be an extreme minority. The U.N. demanded countries open their borders to immigration. I know my facts because I've lived half my life in Europe, now relocated back to the U.S.A. I've seen the invasion and its depressing. [/QUOTE]Kinda curious. From your other posts I got an impression that you lived in Brazil and had a Brazilian wife. So supposedly somehow you must like the 3rd World.
Everyday you can hear that actually lots gringos are invading South America and Asia, which makes those countries and women in particular becoming more American-like, so other gringos(who came there earlier) and local guys too get pissed off.
So the question is who invades whom and what is more depressing, West becoming more like 3rd World or 3rd World becoming more like West, so that in the future you guys will not have any place to go for nice women.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Third world citizens have already invaded western Europe continuing their barbaric, fanatic religious practices. The invasion started 25 years ago. By 2050 Europe will be a suburb of most Middle Eastern cities. White Europeans will be an extreme minority. The U.N. demanded countries open their borders to immigration. I know my facts because I've lived half my life in Europe, now relocated back to the U.S.A. I've seen the invasion and its depressing.
Another member wrote today they will not assimilate into western society. So very true. European countries have now closed their borders to further immigration except in extreme situations but the damage is done. Some Somalian and Ethiopian immediate family members are 10-20 persons. They get more European social welfare support than most American families earning $8-10 hourly.
Several European countries have offered these immigrants US$25,000 to leave but not enough are accepting the offer. I know this thread is not the place for my comments but when I read another members posting, I feel it necessary to reply.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I heard that some EU countries are offering people to leave and also spending more and more money in Africa to improve conditions enough to encourage Africans to stay home. Muslims however are different kettle of fish.
I said they won't assimilate, I was watching a story on Link TV about how in the UK, they are busting dudes for arranged marriages. The first girl they had to pickup they knew on a first name basis because this was the second time they had to pry her away from some guy.
Honor killings are happing in US, Canada and UK. Also reports of it in Germany, Holland and few other places. They operate in tightly knitted communities and make it hard for law enforcement to do their job.
Now to be honest, its not even all or most of them, its the more Orthodox/Evangelical types that are involved in this 16th Century activities. I mean in some countries they still Stone people if you can believe it.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]First, it is not racism but maintaining western standard of living and life style not to be criticized by religious fanatics desire to eradicate our society.
Second, The Australian Continent has the tightest immigration and protectionist laws anywhere. Draw your own conclusion.[/QUOTE]
I agree NYC is about maintaining a standard of living. If you have seen the barrios in East LA or South Central LA, you wouldn't say it was racist to keep a standard of living. Its not as run down as some of the poorest areas in Mexico but that's because we have infrastructure (which is crumbling but that's for another thread).
The line to get into the US from Mexico is already 20 or more years long. Somebody mentioned we need to address the quota system we use for Green Cards and Resident Visas. But we also need to invest in Mexico to discourage Mexicans from trying to flee. NAFTA doesn't help either. Also Guatemalans and others from poorer Central American Countries are also crossing our Southwestern boarder.
But our situation is somewhat complex. There are low wage and dirty low wage jobs that need to be done. No US born citizens want to do this work, especially picking food. Its not an excuse, but its the fault of these business owners. They want to keep operation cost down, so they won't raise wages, its only because of Cesar Chavez that we even have decent wages for farm workers at all. So they encourage illegal immigrant to work for them, go to PBS's web site and Frontline World and you'll see what happens when INS decides it wants to deport people, that small town has almost come to a crashing halt because the immigrants put money back in the local economy.
These are town that are dying because all the younger kids are leaving for more exciting places and better paying jobs. This is major problem in rural America especially in places where they do much of the food growing and packing.
So like I said its a fairly complex problem.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]If you think we should get used to the invasion of 3rd. world citizens in our western society, you're out of your mind. It is them that have to conform to our life style if they want to live in the west.
He should be the first to move to Kabul or Baghdad and try to pick up a woman to p4p wearing a burka. In their world p4p is unlawful and punishable by stoning of women to death and castration of men plus beheading. Is that what you want for your future or our children to live in such a barbaric society?[/QUOTE]
Man I agree, the world will be fairly "Brown" by the time for most of us it just won't matter anymore. We'll be dead, or enjoying our grandchildren.
The issue is Caucasians having fewer and fewer children, that's the problem. They have stop having children at the rate of replacement in Europe and even Eastern Europe. This is a problem in Russia and Ukraine as well. Belarus tried to pass a law preventing Western men from taking the younger women as brides. That was ruled illegal but you can understand why. This is why most of Western Europe has looked toward immigration. This also why they give incentives to have children in most EU countries. I know Russia still has a program to encourage women to have children.
Like said its their own fault they had to turn to immigration and paying women to have kids. This is the effect of Individualism.
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I am down with brown. Make everybody marry someone from a different race and in three generations you have a nice lite brown. Mixed race people are more attractive overall. So go for it. I would do my part but I am snipped. Last night I brought a blond back to my building for an hour counseling session and after I took her back to ho house, I was chatting with my doorman. He was telling me how much he loved blondes. "That is because you are Latino. I am a gringo, muy polaco (means light skinned), so I need morrochas." "Then why were you with the blond?" "Son, you know that was a fake blond, right?" He was disappointed to hear that and then he asked about my morocha friend who was here the day before and I told him she thought he was cute and would probably blow him for 100 pesos if I told her too. He asked me if that was all I gave her, 100 pesos, and I said no; I gave her 200 pesos sometimes and 150 other times depending on how long she stayed. He asked why then only 100 for him and I said, "Cuz you won't last five minutes the way this gal sucks."
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I am down with brown. Make everybody marry someone from a different race and in three generations you have a nice lite brown. Mixed race people are more attractive overall. So go for it. I would do my part but I am snipped. Last night I brought a blond back to my building for an hour counseling session and after I took her back to ho house, I was chatting with my doorman. He was telling me how much he loved blondes. "That is because you are Latino. I am a gringo, muy polaco (means light skinned), so I need morrochas." "Then why were you with the blond? " "Son, you know that was a fake blond, right?" He was disappointed to hear that and then he asked about my morocha friend who was here the day before and I told him she thought he was cute and would probably blow him for 100 pesos if I told her too. He asked me if that was all I gave her, 100 pesos, and I said no; I gave her 200 pesos sometimes and 150 other times depending on how long she stayed. He asked why then only 100 for him and I said, "because you won't last five minutes the way this gal sucks."[/QUOTE]This is so true, some of the best looking people I have met in my life are of mixed backgrounds. I see only good in all of it.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I am down with brown. Make everybody marry someone from a different race and in three generations you have a nice lite brown. Mixed race people are more attractive overall. So go for it. I would do my part but I am snipped. Last night I brought a blond back to my building for an hour counseling session and after I took her back to ho house, I was chatting with my doorman. He was telling me how much he loved blondes. "That is because you are Latino. I am a gringo, muy polaco (means light skinned), so I need morrochas." "Then why were you with the blond?" "Son, you know that was a fake blond, right?" He was disappointed to hear that and then he asked about my morocha friend who was here the day before and I told him she thought he was cute and would probably blow him for 100 pesos if I told her too. He asked me if that was all I gave her, 100 pesos, and I said no; I gave her 200 pesos sometimes and 150 other times depending on how long she stayed. He asked why then only 100 for him and I said, "Cuz you won't last five minutes the way this gal sucks."[/QUOTE]
I'm down for the Brown as well, being Brown...
My problem (if you wanna call it one) that much of South America with ties back to West India and Africa have problems with racial inequality. To say Afro-Colombians are treated shabby is an understatement. No matter how popular an icon Pele is or how many Black Men Xuxa bangs/marries, Afro-Brazilians are at the bottom of the income and social order.
I do find it interesting that many Black Men have gone on Bride Tours down to Colombia. But it seems to me they are coming back with darker morenas or Afro-Colombians. Call me silly but give me somebody a honey or golden brown and I'm all over it. But those girls tend to dig their own men or White Men only.
I am going to venture down to see for myself and confirm if I'm right or not, but it seem more often than not I'm a excellent judge of women...
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There are hardly any blacks at all here in Argentina, aside from some Dominicanas who apparently got lost on their way to Campo Alegre. Had one of them accuse me of being a racist because I never go with the Dominicans. I told her I liked black people just fine; I just didn't like Dominicans. Now they don't bother me any more.
One weird race thing you get down here is dark skinned gals who try to stay out of the sun because they don't want to get any darker.
Oh well. Six more weeks and I will be up shit's creek like the rest of you poor bastards.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]There are hardly any blacks at all here in Argentina, aside from some Dominicanas who apparently got lost on their way to Campo Alegre. Had one of them accuse me of being a racist because I never go with the Dominicans. I told her I liked black people just fine; I just didn't like Dominicans. Now they don't bother me any more.
One weird race thing you get down here is dark skinned gals who try to stay out of the sun because they don't want to get any darker.
Oh well. Six more weeks and I will be up shit's creek like the rest of you poor bastards.[/QUOTE]
Shiet Creek huh? Well be safe... Happy 4th of July
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Down for the Brown
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I'm down for the Brown as well, being Brown....[/QUOTE]
Or, as a Black neighbor/friend of mine said when I told him of my DR exploits, "Once you go Black, there's no turning back!"
Qualification: I am of Caucasian ancestry (as far as I know), but I spend so much time in the sun that my complexion is almost as dark as my neighbor's.
But I recognize my genetic heritage as not worth a $#!+ for the gene pool - whereupon it is incumbent on me to keep "Dickhardinho" wrapped up and descendant-proofed.
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Dickhardinho can be easily descendant proofed, effectively eliminating the need for annoying covers. Splat.
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Roles and Responsibilities
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AW thinks, "Oh good; he didn't come so now I won't have that stuff dripping out of me all day long." Latina thinks, "He didn't come and so I did something wrong and now he will go find someone else." [/QUOTE]
Exactly - that is one major difference.
AW thinks she has done her duty if she lets you enter her, anything beyond that is your responsibility.
In man-friendly cultures the woman knows it is her role and responsibility to provide sexual satisfaction.
I had an experience like this a couple weeks ago in the Caribbean.
After this 19 year old bangs and blows me until we are both exhausted, but with no happy ending, she says "Pour quoi, cheri? Pour quoi?" (meaning "Why are you not coming?").
Well, actually because you have floppy tits and aren't all that good in bed, despite your youth and pretty face.
She was afraid that since she did not please me adequately I would replace her. And she was right.
So I sent her off and ordered in a new girl for the next two days, one of her friends who, presumably properly briefed, tried harder.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Dickhardinho can be easily descendant proofed, effectively eliminating the need for annoying covers. Splat.[/QUOTE]
You're right, Dickhead. But the other factor is that my "targets" are all professionals, who have both a higher possibility of catching STD's and a definite interest in NOT catching anything that a bite from a trouser-snake could give them; therefore, Dickhardinho goes in like an unacknowledged spy-service operator - under "cover".
I have considered "Hurrah for the little knife!" more than once. If I were so lucky as to start a romance with a "garota SEM programa" (non-pro), I'd be likely to do so. But if "she" is going to put a rubber baby-bumper onto him anyways, is it really worth bothering?
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i have screwed at least fifty professionals down here without resorting to "spy tactics." i never suggest it and it just happens. what never ceases to amaze me is that in the majority of these situations they are unaware of the surgical improvement that i have made. furthermore, in those cases where i have told them i am sterile, why in the world would they believe me?
but in the cases where i fuck them bareback repeatedly over and over relentlessly time and again, it comes in handy as far as increasing their comfort level. many times it seems to happen that for some reason after they have shoved my uncovered dick in them, they still think i am going to pull out. now if they actually ask me to do this, i do it (unless of course i then talk them out of it by saying i am fixed) but if they do not, i do not. often this leads to a horrified look on their faces when they realize i have shot a copious load into them. to then be able to honestly say that i am fixed is then a good thing, although again why should they believe me?
it's also important to note that in many cases my reputation precedes me. by this i mean it is known on the street that i am cut, and this probably leads to more chicas being willing to fuck me bareback without any discussion because they already know (or think they know) this, due to gossip and the internecine nature of the scene here.
to get back on topic, it is not as much fun to bareback american women for several reasons:
1) aws do not seem to receive the same training in the care and maintenance of the pussy, or do not give a shit. bluntly stated the smell of american pussy does not measure up to the smell of latina or asian pussy in particular. in fact many latina women carry an extra pair of underpants in their purse so they do not get caught with "clitty litter." it should be noted that the lack of bidets in sp exacerbates this.
2) aws tend to be more jizzphobic and often leap up and run for the shower whereas latinas are more content to fall asleep and allow the jizz to remain in its intended location until it leaks gradually into the sheets. oftentimes this leakage is combined with initial menstrual fluid that was brought on early by the aggressive, jackhammer style of fucking that latinas favor. this is known as "collateral damage" and can be largely controlled with hydrogen peroxide (h2o2).
3) a lot of times aw will begin to allow barebacking and then will subsequently freak out and push you away, scream [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], etc. with a latina once you are in you are in. after all, getting pregnant is no big deal. everybody has babies in latin america. what is one more?
4) aw never try to talk me into knocking them up so they can have a blue eyed kid. probably about ten of the latinas i have barebacked, i did so after they requested impregnation. of those, three or four eventually found out i was sterile. so i said, "hey, at least i tried" and this was funny to them.
the thing about condoms is they are not really all that great as a long-run means of birth control. the failure rate is too high and the consequences of a failure are too severe. yes, many times these consequences can be run from, when they result from mongering, but i don't want to be that guy.
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2) aws tend to be more jizzphobic and often leap up and run for the shower whereas latinas are more content to fall asleep and allow the jizz to remain in its intended location until it leaks gradually into the sheets. oftentimes this leakage is combined with initial menstrual fluid that was brought on early by the aggressive, jackhammer style of fucking that latinas favor. this is known as "collateral damage" and can be largely controlled with hydrogen peroxide (h2o2).
3) a lot of times aw will begin to allow barebacking and then will subsequently freak out and push you away, scream [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], etc. with a latina once you are in you are in. after all, getting pregnant is no big deal. everybody has babies in latin america. what is one more?
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lol. now here is an opinion column for usa today. would like to see the reader mail after that one!
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[quote=dickhead]i have screwed at least fifty professionals down here without resorting to "spy tactics." i never suggest it and it just happens. what never ceases to amaze me is that in the majority of these situations they are unaware of the surgical improvement that i have made. furthermore, in those cases where i have told them i am sterile, why in the world would they believe me?
but in the cases where i fuck them bareback repeatedly over and over relentlessly time and again, it comes in handy as far as increasing their comfort level. many times it seems to happen that for some reason after they have shoved my uncovered dick in them, they still think i am going to pull out. now if they actually ask me to do this, i do it (unless of course i then talk them out of it by saying i am fixed) but if they do not, i do not. often this leads to a horrified look on their faces when they realize i have shot a copious load into them. to then be able to honestly say that i am fixed is then a good thing, although again why should they believe me?
it's also important to note that in many cases my reputation precedes me. by this i mean it is known on the street that i am cut, and this probably leads to more chicas being willing to fuck me bareback without any discussion because they already know (or think they know) this, due to gossip and the internecine nature of the scene here.
to get back on topic, it is not as much fun to bareback american women for several reasons:
1) aws do not seem to receive the same training in the care and maintenance of the pussy, or do not give a shit. bluntly stated the smell of american pussy does not measure up to the smell of latina or asian pussy in particular. in fact many latina women carry an extra pair of underpants in their purse so they do not get caught with "clitty litter." it should be noted that the lack of bidets in sp exacerbates this.
2) aws tend to be more jizzphobic and often leap up and run for the shower whereas latinas are more content to fall asleep and allow the jizz to remain in its intended location until it leaks gradually into the sheets. oftentimes this leakage is combined with initial menstrual fluid that was brought on early by the aggressive, jackhammer style of fucking that latinas favor. this is known as "collateral damage" and can be largely controlled with hydrogen peroxide (h2o2).
3) a lot of times aw will begin to allow barebacking and then will subsequently freak out and push you away, scream [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], etc. with a latina once you are in you are in. after all, getting pregnant is no big deal. everybody has babies in latin america. what is one more?
4) aw never try to talk me into knocking them up so they can have a blue eyed kid. probably about ten of the latinas i have barebacked, i did so after they requested impregnation. of those, three or four eventually found out i was sterile. so i said, "hey, at least i tried" and this was funny to them.
the thing about condoms is they are not really all that great as a long-run means of birth control. the failure rate is too high and the consequences of a failure are too severe. yes, many times these consequences can be run from, when they result from mongering, but i don't want to be that guy.[/quote]i had quite a few women offer bareback in europe, but did not do it. i really am not comfortable doing bareback with someone i do not know. also stds still exist and i want to stay healthy to keep mongering. as far as i know asian women do not have much of an odor on their pussies. caucasian women do have a smell down there, kind of a dairy cheese like smell and taste. might have something to do with diet.
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[quote=dickhead]a lot of times aw will begin to allow barebacking and then will subsequently freak out and push you away, scream [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], etc. with a latina once you are in you are in. after all, getting pregnant is no big deal. everybody has babies in latin america. what is one more? [/quote][quote=jon32]lol. now here is an opinion column for usa today. would like to see the reader mail after that one![/quote]
yipes! i can see so many ways that could be turned incendiary, here in sex prison; from "anchor babies" to "abortion rights" to "illegal immigration" to "overpopulation" ... as the sonnet said, "let me count the ways!"
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By "abortion rights" I assume you are referring to the situation where the hooker says, "DH you need to pay for my abortion" and I say, "Yeah, [b]right![/b]
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I remember something about that sperm wars book talking about that same thing, change in sex habits altering change in the girl's menstrual cycle...
A month ago I banged my current love for the first time and she had always had her period only once every 3 months or so, and 28 days after that (she was on her period the first time we did it) she had her first REGULAR period in her life. I'm wondering what are the biological implications of that!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I remember something about that sperm wars book talking about that same thing, change in sex habits altering change in the girl's menstrual cycle...
A month ago I banged my current love for the first time and she had always had her period only once every 3 months or so, and 28 days after that (she was on her period the first time we did it) she had her first REGULAR period in her life. I'm wondering what are the biological implications of that![/QUOTE]
Sounds as though she finally completed puberty?
NO, no, no, I'm just kidding. Didn't really mean it. But it was too beautiful a "straight line" and I just COULDN'T ignore it!
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Very interesting read...
And would like our American friends in here to comment and give their views on the points raised there:
[url]http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com/[/url]
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USA, painted in shades of dark
Speaking from the Washington, DC region: I see some truth in this. A fair amount. But this article is much more "grim" than "truth".
Maybe the author of this piece would see me as "part of the enemy." I worked 36 years as a cartographer (map maker) for the Federal government; now I'm retired with the old Civil Service pension and FedGov health benefits. I bought a house I could afford, and paid off all my debts before I even applied for retirement. So I'm feeling pretty comfortable.
The USA has borne some heavy responsibilities in the world. From 1947 to 1990, there was that Cold War thing, right? There was an honest fear, certainly through into the 1970s or so, that the Soviet Bloc was out to conquer the "Free World," and the USA was put into the position of "The World's Policeman" through those years and after. Let's not carp about how the USA may have misused our armed forces in recent years, please.
Divisiveness among our people? Maybe so, but I doubt if it's worse than many other countries. Our politics appear more deeply-divided, but I'd doubt if they actually ARE. Our media are talking up our divisiveness, and there is a tussle between CBS/NBC/CNN and the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. If a country doesn't have similar mudslinging between media outlets, maybe their media is being controlled to suppress it.
Political corruption? Our legislators are heavily addicted to pork. Just as our people are heavily addicted to consumerism.
Would the USA have such a massive problem with "illegal immigration" if it weren't still regarded as the Land Of Opportunity? Okay, "opportunity" is a crapshoot, here as everywhere. But how many countries have the "opportunity" sewn up so heavily by the top fortunate well-connected few, that nobody outside The Circle stands a chance?
[i]Now for a qualifying remark:[/i] I have visited outside the USA, for trips and travels up to three weeks long. I have not [i]lived[/i] outside the USA for any extended periods. I have not tried to use the government services of any other country, save the post offices. Some of my travel was official US Government business, teaching some specialty cartography courses to allies' mapping institutes. This gave me the privilege of working with colleagues in these other countries, and I know it left me in "special status" (not quite diplomat, but awfully close).
I have observed some things I really like about other countries. And one country started me thinking seriously of emigrating when I retire - not because I saw it as "more free" or "less intimidating" than my homeland, but for economic and "informal society" reasons. To wit, my pension would go further, I could have a nicer home in a more attractive neighborhood than I could afford here in the USA, and with my money and "exotic" status I'd be more likely to have some success with the local chicas.
There's a factor about the USA that the article doesn't address - that is, the feminist-militant social culture prevalent in my neighborhood area. I feel like I'm walking into a minefield if I "chat up" a woman I find attractive. I don't get that feeling in South America. That may have been caused, in its way, by the FedGov; but it was more "unintended consequence" than "intended result of policy". Nevertheless, it makes my life in the USA less fulfilling than it could be in a more "feminine-friendly" culture, if that makes sense.
Summary: I do indeed see some of the described problems, in my homeland the USA, but I don't see them in as stark dark terms as they're portrayed in this article. Nevertheless, there are countries other than the USA in which I believe I'd find my life would be more enjoyable. Therefore I am planning to emigrate, I am visiting more "candidate countries," and I am putting my affairs and "stuff" in order to make the move smooth when I figure out where I'm going to go.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]And would like our American friends in here to comment and give their views on the points raised there:
[url]http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]And would like our American friends in here to comment and give their views on the points raised there:
[url]http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
I had a a little better experience with medical care in the US... but I also was completely without insurance for 4 of the 11 years I lived there...
In other ways, the author doesn't go far enough..... I have now just about 2 years living in Colombia, and what he says about freedom REALLY HITS HOME!
Americans have this huge ILLUSION that there is economic mobility, the truth is that here in Colombia in 2010 there is MORE economic mobility than in the US. Speaking from first hand experience. And despite the fact that this is supposedly a "third-world" nation (outdated term), there is a lot more attention paid to things like health care and education here than in the US. A LOT!!!
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]And would like our American friends in here to comment and give their views on the points raised there:
[url]http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com/[/url][/QUOTE]This is not the truth. There are some truths but mostly it is a bunch of crap. The author is filled with bitterness and the crap he talks about is just that crap. I received medical attention once when I was in India due to bad stomach pain due to the water. And the medical attention I received was not like the one the majority of Indians get.
There are only a few nations that are better then the US, and then in those nations the cost of some basic items that are cheap in the states are costly. So really in the end you might not get your money's worth in those countries, but still those countries are cleaner, nicer, healthier, beautiful and they beat a really good country like the USA.
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Well, let's see. I have been to thirty countries but I have not lived in nearly that many. I will rate the countries and then the US, both on overall life and the women as compared to AW. Countries are presented in chronological order of initial experience.
México: Lived there for a total of ten months. Would prefer to live in México and prefer Méxican women. Might not be as true today (as far as living there, not the women) with the drug wars.
Ireland: Spent two months there living like a local. Would prefer to live in the US and prefer US women.
Germany: Lived there for four months. Would prefer to live in the US and prefer US women. But not hugely so.
UK (England): Lived there for four months. Would prefer to live in the US and prefer US women.
Argentina: Spent years there so obviously would prefer to live in Argentina, and prefer Argentinean woman. Like so epically not even close.
Colombia: Tried to live there for three months, left after six weeks, too dangerous, would prefer to live in the US, but prefer Colombian women
Spain: Lived there for three months, would prefer to live in Spain, prefer Spanish women, both by a fairly wide margin.
Other countries I've been to enough to know I would prefer living there to living in the US: Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, The Netherlands, Uruguay, Portugal. Don't like Dutch women too much. They might be just marginally better than AW though.
Other countries I've been to enough to know there is no fucking way I would live there: Jamaica, The Bahamas, Cambodia, Morocco, France, Venezuela. The women suck in all those places except Venezuela
Countries where I would have to think long and hard whether I would prefer them to the US or not: Ecuador, Perú, Chile. Prefer US women to the ones in Ecuador but prefer peruanas and chilenas to AW.
Country I would not live in but the women are awesome = Paraguay
Silly countries I could not take seriously: Malta, Luxembourg, Bolivia
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As for a single payer system. You have to thank the repulican party for not wanting it and any system resembling it. Can you say socialism. And we all know thats a bad word in a capitalistic country. There are even poor people who can't afford health care. But will not vote for a single payer system cause they link it with socialism and even they hope to be rich someday. So they can look down on those who can't afford it.
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Need information please
Hi everybody,
I am a new one, I woud like to know what are the right webs to meet AWomen (as Myspace??), I am from Peru and I live here.
Alvaro
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Making Babies in Latin America
Guys, I want to have a kid or two, but I live in the USA and have no desire to have any with an American woman and subject myself (in my mid-forties) to the vagaries of USA courts and having all my limited (but not inconsequential) wealth hijacked. I really think Latinas are phenomenal after visiting the region regularly for 15 years. When I say this it is not because I am a self-hating gringo or that I find American women unattractive. (I love the US and think American women can be very sexy.) But I think that our culture has lost its way (I'll spare you my reasons why.) Do any of you have any kids in Latin America? I am serious and would like to hear about your (not fake) experiences. (I have been to the DR, Venezuela, Mexico, and Colombia. I think the non-pro women in these countries are great, but am open to other countries in the region. I am also a lapsed Catholic; nevertheless I would prefer a woman of the same faith as I am familiar with it.) Please share any insights and real-life experiences and spare me gratuitous judgments of me.
Thanks gents.
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first avaro -
stick to the ones that travel to your country. you not want them as life-partners. but if you must, nobody uses my space anymore in the states, use facebook, only nervous nellies about "privacy" issues have stopped using it, but that still leaves a vast majority of the population on there.
sarge -
i'm sure others can answer better than i can, but since i've done the homework, here goes.
i see no disadvantage to marrying and having children with a woman from south america, specifically colombia, peru, dr, costa rica and maybe argentina.
colombia has an established "bride" industry. opinions vary if you should use a service or do it on your own, you can be your own best judgement there.
finding a woman that's catholic shouldn't be a problem in south america at all, finding atheist would be harder one would think.
i can't comment on having children and living down there, if that's what your considering. maybe you should check out some expat forums for details.
about the us in decline -
if you have money or access your likely not to see it much. but for the rest of us, its terrible. i don't think i can stand another 6-8 years of excuses that this country is center right, when all poling data shows otherwise. i don't know if i can stand an almost complete abandonment of exporting goods, we export "intellectual property" and war these days.
we are just in the beginnings of civil and social decay.
the recent verdict in the oscar grant case is another glaring reminder that are justice system is no where near fair. its also a reminder that since obama's election, any overt racism that had been kept under wraps do to social pressures, has been unleashed and will only get worst, it doesn't matter if your talking about murder of african-americans by police or "minute men" renegade shauna forde murdering a mexican child for fear of being "snitched" on because she also killed her mother (the father lived).
instead of cutting war spending and the dod's budget, they want to cut social services and general casey is talking about spending another "decade or so" rebuilding iraq and afghanistan.
we have 2 trillion dollars worth of infrastructure work to do, including upgrading the power grid, adding high speed rail, more light rail projects and renewable energy systems. we have "last mile" issues with high speed internet and a widening "digital divide" to lower income people.
they claim we can't afford single payer health care and currently ranked in the mid 30's among other industrialized nations. the annual mercer "quality of life" survey hasn't had a us city ranked in the top 10 for a very long time (at least a decade). highest ranked is honolulu, hawaii and there are four cities in canada ranked ahead of it.
i won't even spend time talking about 15-20% real unemployment (even higher among blacks and latino males), the laughable way they rank poverty and some of those most expensive secondary education in the world which effectively limits the number of applicants.
our government claims victory on reform, but really only nibbles around the edges.
its sad state of affairs and doesn't look to be getting any better, only worst as some of the deficit problems and devaluation of the dollar are going to become real problems in the near future.
my solution is to marry a nice european girl and stay there.
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Never been there but what I hear and read about it does not make me want to go there, and I don't find the women visually attractive (in general). A couple of my friends moved there, though, and they like it. Too fucken hot for me for one thing. The only way I could live in the tropics would be at altitude, like Quito or Chachapoyas or something. I want a mild, four-season climate with lots of sunshine. Still haven't really found it though. Buenos Aires I have to get the fuck out of there for two months a year because it's too hot.
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Children
Bilko.
My son, now four was born in Brazil. Excellent pre-post-natal care by all involved. Within three months, he became an American citizen at the US Embassy in Rio. Two weeks later he, his Mom and I arrived in the U.S. Save ALL documents. Even airline seating stubs.
You'll find the most attractive Brazilian women in the southern states f.ex. Santa Catarina or Rio Grande do Sul with white European ancestry. In some parts of Parana state also where I met my wife.
Here in the US now we've met other Brazilian women married to American men and the children are beautiful especially the girls. There are thousands of single Brazilian women already here you can try to meet.
BTW, I lived in Europe for half my life. If you want to live in Europe, your European wife will have to prove to the authorities she can support you before you get a residency and work permit. Europe is becoming a closed continent for foreigners as there are too many foreigners now seeking permanent residency. Then there is the language barrier. Many Euro women have become Americanized concerning materialistic items. Latina women are better in bed and respect men as the family provider and leader. They know there place in the family.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]And would like our American friends in here to comment and give their views on the points raised there:
[url]http://americathegrimtruth. Wordpress.com/[/url][/QUOTE]As soon as I started to read this article I also started to laugh.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the guy writing this is in love with nanny state type big government. He thinks other people should pay for his health care and that the government should force his employer to give him as much time off as he wants because he hates or hated his jobs (and was paid poorly) and doesn't have the stones to go out and make it on his own. He hates free enterprise and capitalism.
America isn't perfect. But what makes America great is the individual, not the government. It's the entrepreneurial spirit (American Dream). It is still alive and well. You can be a bum in the street one day and rich the next or vice versa. Yes, it takes some cash to live well here. As it does in most developed countries. The happy people from other parts of the world he speaks of I bet are well off too.
I used to work for a large international consulting company and had the benefit of living and traveling internationally for years. They are a lot of wonderful countries, people and cultures out there. Some may do SOME things better than the USA all have pluses and minuses. Including the USA
But at the end of the day I am not trading my passport in for one from another country. And I would go "all in" on the USA before I would any other country.
This guy is a bitter loser.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Bilko.
My son, now four was born in Brazil. Excellent pre-post-natal care by all involved. Within three months, he became an American citizen at the US Embassy in Rio. Two weeks later he, his Mom and I arrived in the U.S. Save ALL documents. Even airline seating stubs.
You'll find the most attractive Brazilian women in the southern states f.ex. Santa Catarina or Rio Grande do Sul with white European ancestry. In some parts of Parana state also where I met my wife.
Here in the US now we've met other Brazilian women married to American men and the children are beautiful especially the girls. There are thousands of single Brazilian women already here you can try to meet.
BTW, I lived in Europe for half my life. If you want to live in Europe, your European wife will have to prove to the authorities she can support you before you get a residency and work permit. Europe is becoming a closed continent for foreigners as there are too many foreigners now seeking permanent residency. Then there is the language barrier. Many Euro women have become Americanized concerning materialistic items. Latina women are better in bed and respect men as the family provider and leader. They know there place in the family.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, just a few things I want to know, maybe more like statements.
Children born to US Male citizens have to be registered as citizens at the US Embassy? Somehow I thought this was automatic when you signed the birth certificates.
I've only met one Brazilian locally and she wasn't bad looking, just chubby. This may be more of a immigration question, but did you use a lawyer for all your K-1 paperwork or did you marry locally in Brazil and did one of the two or three ways you can file for your wife to become a legal resident?
I know to gain residency in Europe you have to have proof you can earn an income locally and they don't mean being the local dish washer :) I recently learned that Brussels was officially a bi-lingual city and the local bureaucracy is geared towards speakers of English and Flemish. But to be honest I had no troubles in Sweden, Norway or Netherlands.
What's wrong with Luxembourg? As a City/State it seems okay to me, its where Rich Europeans (and others) launder their money...
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Never been there but what I hear and read about it does not make me want to go there, and I don't find the women visually attractive (in general). A couple of my friends moved there, though, and they like it. Too fucken hot for me for one thing. The only way I could live in the tropics would be at altitude, like Quito or Chachapoyas or something. I want a mild, four-season climate with lots of sunshine. Still haven't really found it though. Buenos Aires I have to get the fuck out of there for two months a year because it's too hot.[/QUOTE]
Cost of Living makes it difficult to stay in California but weather wise it can't be any more perfect. A similar climate in Europe means Spain, Portugal or at the very least Southern France. My problem with more tropical climates is it seems it can rain at any given moment and it tends to flood more, especially in places where the infrastructure hasn't caught up to 1st Nation status. Seems the richer Asian countries have done more to prevent widespread flooding.
P.I doesn't interest me that much either, plenty of them already in the LA area. A majority of them are dark and short. This can be good, but generally its bad. One of my good friends is Thai and I tend to share his preferences for Asian women. There are few Eurasians (and Afro-Asians) running around those, so one never knows.
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In Brazil a child born in country is a citizen of the mother if I remember correctly. For Americans, if you want your child to become a US citizen by birthright to an American parent you must apply for citizenship. It is not just a question of registration.
The Brazilian birth certificate has to be translated to English. You will need proof of residency in the United States plus other documents. The mother must also provide documents of residency, her birth certificate and more. There is a charge of several hundred dollars at time of personal appearance at the Embassy. The citizenship certificate is issued within 30 minutes if all documents are accepted and approved. What a great accomplishment and satisfaction I experienced when we left the Embassy with my American son’s documents. His US passport arrived at our Brazilian home within 10 days. July 2006 was good.
Procedures may vary and further documentation may be necessary now as they are always making changes. Check the various websites and countries of interest for more information.
As for Europe I found Denmark to be the most favorable European country for Americans to live in as Danes generally have a positive attitude towards our country. Danes enjoy speaking English. Rebild Bakker in western Denmark is the only country outside of The U.S.A. that has an Independence Day Celebration with many US dignitaries, Danish Royalty, Danish-Americans in attendance with military bands stationed in Germany as entertainment. You’ll enjoy 6 weeks vacation annually with your employer paying you to take vacation. Minimum wage is equivalent to about US$16-17 hourly. The negative about Denmark is high taxation, high v.a.t. but there is cradle to grave health care. I must re-confirm you buy one car but pay for three through 160% excise tax on vehicles for private use. Trade-in values are the highest on the planet. After two years of driving a BMW I got 86% of the new car price trading in.
Most Danish girls and women are naturally blonde or platinum blonde being physically fit. Unfortunately some are getting heavier now because of diet.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Cost of Living makes it difficult to stay in California but weather wise it can't be any more perfect. A similar climate in Europe means Spain, Portugal or at the very least Southern France. My problem with more tropical climates is it seems it can rain at any given moment and it tends to flood more, especially in places where the infrastructure hasn't caught up to 1st Nation status. Seems the richer Asian countries have done more to prevent widespread flooding.
P.I doesn't interest me that much either, plenty of them already in the LA area. A majority of them are dark and short. This can be good, but generally its bad. One of my good friends is Thai and I tend to share his preferences for Asian women. There are few Eurasians (and Afro-Asians) running around those, so one never knows.[/QUOTE]Having spent a month in Europe, I now understand what some European expats in Australia feel about Europe, quality of life in Australia is way better by a long margin. The east coast of Australia is a lot of like California when it was a good place to live. I know some Californians who think Oz reminds them of California in a better time. European women are not as attractive as they used to be, women are getting fatter as the diets of people get worse.
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[QUOTE=Prefer Anal]As soon as I started to read this article I also started to laugh.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the guy writing this is in love with nanny state type big government. He thinks other people should pay for his health care and that the government should force his employer to give him as much time off as he wants because he hates or hated his jobs (and was paid poorly) and doesn't have the stones to go out and make it on his own. He hates free enterprise and capitalism.
America isn't perfect. But what makes America great is the individual, not the government. It's the entrepreneurial spirit (American Dream). It is still alive and well. You can be a bum in the street one day and rich the next or vice versa. Yes, it takes some cash to live well here. As it does in most developed countries. The happy people from other parts of the world he speaks of I bet are well off too.
I used to work for a large international consulting company and had the benefit of living and traveling internationally for years. They are a lot of wonderful countries, people and cultures out there. Some may do SOME things better than the USA all have pluses and minuses. Including the USA
But at the end of the day I am not trading my passport in for one from another country. And I would go "all in" on the USA before I would any other country.
This guy is a bitter loser.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree, America used to be a free country with boundless opportunity but over the past decade its become an oligarchy, the most glaring evidence is the Wall Street bailouts, the Federal government of the US gave billions to bail out the very companies that caused the financial crisis, many of the employees and execs walked away scott free and got their big bonuses, middle America meanwhile collapsed and suffered for these rich elites, many people have lost their jobs and homes. The American middle class is being roasted on the BBQ. That is not the America I remember, it used to be a country where honest hard work would get you rich, but today it crony capitalism. Australia today is a lot like the US when it was good, people are optimistic, open to new ideas and immigrants are generally seen as a good thing, and the average person has a chance at a good life if she or he works for it. America is no longer like that, Europe is slowly going in that direction as well but Europe is still nowhere near as bad as the USA for the everyday fella.
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[url]http://americathegrimtruth.wordpress.com[/url]
Awesome. Agree with a lot that he said but some for different reasons. Most Americans don't know the wool is being pulled over their eyes because they never had the chance to leave and live somewhere else for more than 5 days.
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Luxembourg to me is more like a very irrelevant state such as North Dakota or Delaware. It doesn't really make the grade as a country. Name one person from Luxembourg. Just one. How can I take a country seriously when I go through it 15 times on the train without ever even meeting anyone who was from there? I was in the bar car on the Thalys train and I asked everyone in there if they were from Luxembourg while we were going through there. No. In fact I was ready to conclude the country was purely imaginary until finally I got off the train, walked around and had a beer, and got on the next train 45 minutes late. So I guess it exists, but that is all that it does. It exists.
Supposedly it has the highest per capita income in the world but so what? Has anybody fucked a hooker from Luxembourg? I mean, I have fucked hookers from Nevis and Antigua and Moldova and Malawi and all kinds of places but never Luxembourg.
I think that country is just a rumor.
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[QUOTE=Prefer Anal]As soon as I started to read this article I also started to laugh.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the guy writing this is in love with nanny state type big government. He thinks other people should pay for his health care and that the government should force his employer to give him as much time off as he wants because he hates or hated his jobs (and was paid poorly) and doesn't have the stones to go out and make it on his own. He hates free enterprise and capitalism.
America isn't perfect. But what makes America great is the individual, not the government. It's the entrepreneurial spirit (American Dream). It is still alive and well. You can be a bum in the street one day and rich the next or vice versa. Yes, it takes some cash to live well here. As it does in most developed countries. The happy people from other parts of the world he speaks of I bet are well off too.
I used to work for a large international consulting company and had the benefit of living and traveling internationally for years. They are a lot of wonderful countries, people and cultures out there. Some may do SOME things better than the USA all have pluses and minuses. Including the USA
But at the end of the day I am not trading my passport in for one from another country. And I would go "all in" on the USA before I would any other country.
This guy is a bitter loser.[/QUOTE]
This is no longer true. If you're a bum in America NOW there is NO WAY you're gonna get rich. You will probably stay a bum for life. If there ever was a time where this was true, it's certainly not the case now.
The REAL money in America has always been in a few closely guarded industries here, oil and steel and a couple others. All the rest of us are just getting the crumbs that fall from the table. But at least back in the day they let enough money get out of the little circle and into the middle and lower classes.
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Yeah, you look at your modern day Horatio Algers such as Bill Gates and Michael Dell and they are from rich families and grew up with all the advantages thereof. For every Bill Gates there are 100,000 Marcus Washington broke dick mutha fuckas out there just trying to get by. At least in my current country you have a constitutional right to sleep in the doorway of a closed business, and there aren't little dickheads running around setting you on fire for kicks and shit.
Not to change the subject, but I mentioned I have to go back (soon) to the Bad Place for a while to clock some presidents. And, I have been gone a long time. Yesterday a friend from the states told me that there is a glut of (good) marijuana in the Bad Place now and that prices are dropping. Is this true or is he jerking my chain?
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Has anybody fucked a hooker from Luxembourg? I mean, I have fucked hookers from Nevis and Antigua and Moldova and Malawi and all kinds of places but never Luxembourg.[/QUOTE]
Has anybody ever fucked or even met a female from Liechtenstein?
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Luxembourg to me is more like a very irrelevant state such as North Dakota or Delaware. It doesn't really make the grade as a country. Name one person from Luxembourg. Just one. How can I take a country seriously when I go through it 15 times on the train without ever even meeting anyone who was from there? I was in the bar car on the Thalys train and I asked everyone in there if they were from Luxembourg while we were going through there. No. In fact I was ready to conclude the country was purely imaginary until finally I got off the train, walked around and had a beer, and got on the next train 45 minutes late. So I guess it exists, but that is all that it does. It exists.
Supposedly it has the highest per capita income in the world but so what? Has anybody fucked a hooker from Luxembourg? I mean, I have fucked hookers from Nevis and Antigua and Moldova and Malawi and all kinds of places but never Luxembourg.
I think that country is just a rumor.[/QUOTE]Countries like Luxembourg and Norway have a high per capita income but have tiny populations. If you look at Qatar and the UAE, their per capita incomes are off the charts, especially compared to their neighbors.
Lichtenstein has less than 40,000 people but is considered to have the highest per capita income, higher than Luxembourg.
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That being said I think America of all the developed nations has the worst quality of life and standard of living for the masses. Its only the wealthy upper percentile that is better off in America. I am not saying this out of my ass either, I actually lived in the US for nearly a decade from the 1990s to 2002, visited several times on occasion only to see things go from bad to worse. While Australia is not perfect either, I have to say I am happy as heck that I live in Oz. Although I disagree with that blog, Canada, I think is only slightly better than the US, and really only Quebec, the rest of Canada is a sex prison like the USA, brothels and other things are completely illegal, Anglo Canadian women are just as cold as their American counterparts. Aussie women can be bad too but still a lot better than what North America is stuck with these days and anyhow the last several years have seen a huge influx of immigrants so its easy for me to avoid Aussies.
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[QUOTE=Prefer Anal]As soon as I started to read this article I also started to laugh.
It was obvious from the very beginning that the guy writing this is in love with nanny state type big government. He thinks other people should pay for his health care and that the government should force his employer to give him as much time off as he wants because he hates or hated his jobs (and was paid poorly) and doesn't have the stones to go out and make it on his own. He hates free enterprise and capitalism.
America isn't perfect. But what makes America great is the individual, not the government. It's the entrepreneurial spirit (American Dream). It is still alive and well. You can be a bum in the street one day and rich the next or vice versa. Yes, it takes some cash to live well here. As it does in most developed countries. The happy people from other parts of the world he speaks of I bet are well off too.
I used to work for a large international consulting company and had the benefit of living and traveling internationally for years. They are a lot of wonderful countries, people and cultures out there. Some may do SOME things better than the USA all have pluses and minuses. Including the USA
But at the end of the day I am not trading my passport in for one from another country. And I would go "all in" on the USA before I would any other country.
This guy is a bitter loser.[/QUOTE]
I guess that makes me a bit of a looser then I guess. Then I have the double wammie of being Black.
Not everybody in Europe is well-off and happy. There are plenty making a decent amount even struggling to a point and generally happy. America is screwed up socially and people with your attitude believe that people should earn everything they get which is fine if there wasn't Crony Capitalism and a Corporate Welfare State.
You can't have it both ways. You also just attacked the guy's blog post without identifying that we are continuing to: reduce manufacturing, rising debt, outsourcing war making, unpopular wars, spiraling health care cost (impacting small businesses the most), mass unemployment, overpopulation, job outsourcing, technological giveaways, lax regulation and quasi-police state with an unstable racial divide.
Oh yeah America is great
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Having spent a month in Europe, I now understand what some European expats in Australia feel about Europe, quality of life in Australia is way better by a long margin. The east coast of Australia is a lot of like California when it was a good place to live. I know some Californians who think Oz reminds them of California in a better time. European women are not as attractive as they used to be, women are getting fatter as the diets of people get worse.[/QUOTE]
Yeah they are getting fatter, but differences in society and culture makes them better to deal with IMHO. I've just had better success and I'm constantly running into the same argument with AW - How much are you worth and can you afford me?
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Has anybody ever fucked or even met a female from Liechtenstein?[/QUOTE]
I can say I have never met anybody from either country, Globe Trekker visited Luxembourg and said it was fun, maybe you need to go through there at night?
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Maybe Luxembourg would be better at night but the Thalys train does not run at night. As far as I can determine, the only reason one would ever be in Luxembourg is because the train goes through there from Paris to Amsterdam. Liechtenstein has some famous skiers from there, won some Olympic medals. But I don't know if it is really a sovereign nation. They use the Swiss franc and have no military. It is a tax haven, as opposed to Luxembourg, which has very high taxes.
What about this AW that fucked her biological son she had given up for adoption? How fucked up is that?
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]Has anybody ever fucked or even met a female from Liechtenstein?[/QUOTE]
I once met a professional skier from there at the Lake Placid Olympics - she's actually a famous Multiple Gold Medalist named Hanni Wenzel. Her thighs were each bigger than my waist at the time, although my waistline has expanded considerably in the past 30 years. Didn't fuck her, but I did get her autograph.
BTW, she and her brother Andreas are responsible for the fact that Liechtenstein has the highest per-capita ratio of Olympic medals of any nation on the planet. 9 medals overall for a population of 35,000 - all in skiing, with the Wenzels accounting for 6 of those Olympic medals.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Maybe Luxembourg would be better at night but the Thalys train does not run at night. As far as I can determine, the only reason one would ever be in Luxembourg is because the train goes through there from Paris to Amsterdam. Liechtenstein has some famous skiers from there, won some Olympic medals. But I don't know if it is really a sovereign nation. They use the Swiss franc and have no military. It is a tax haven, as opposed to Luxembourg, which has very high taxes.
What about this AW that fucked her biological son she had given up for adoption? How fucked up is that?[/QUOTE]
WTF? I was like naaa then a quick Google search netted what you are saying...
Wow, gave him up at Age 5, found him on Facebook, banged him.
Married too and has other children.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Yeah they are getting fatter, but differences in society and culture makes them better to deal with IMHO. I've just had better success and I'm constantly running into the same argument with AW - How much are you worth and can you afford me?[/QUOTE]They are also developing the same attitude as American women, after 8 years of the Euro, its all about the money there, its rapidly Americanizing, and I saw something sacrilegious there, Dunkin Donuts popping up all over the place. Honestly there is very little difference between European and American society now. Europe is becoming as degenerate as America these days, maybe not as violent but definitely going the way of degeneracy. The whole of Dusseldorf and Cologne felt a lot like the ghetto areas of Sydney. I have to say this kind of behavior in Australia is still relegated to the lower classes. Honestly Asia is a lot better these days. Modern Asian girls blow away the best of Europe any day of the week. I decided never to go to Europe any more.
Another big problem I have these days with European women is BO and hygiene, some just stink, many just cover themselves up with perfume. I have been with many Asian women and never had to deal with BO. With the population density there, why do so many people not bother to shower? Its disgusting to smell their body odor.
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California Women
After 20+ years of living in the cereal state I have made the following conclusions about CW, that unique subset of AW. There are really five types of California Women:
A. Flakes (unreliable and undependable)
B. Fruits (growing abundance of lesbian ball-busters)
C. Nuts (menopausal psychotics and other ball-busting bitches)
D. Golddiggers (hell, these are the original California Women, alive and well today).
E. Other (that rare breed as Neil Young says looking for a heart of gold and I'm gettin old)
Thoughts?
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Granola?
[QUOTE=D Cups]After 20+ years of living in the cereal state I have made the following conclusions about CW, that unique subset of AW. There are really five types of California Women:
A. Flakes (unreliable and undependable)
B. Fruits (growing abundance of lesbian ball-busters)
C. Nuts (menopausal psychotics and other ball-busting bitches)
D. Golddiggers (hell, these are the original California Women, alive and well today).
E. Other (that rare breed as Neil Young says looking for a heart of gold and I'm gettin old)
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Flakes, fruits & nuts? It sounds like a breakfast cereal for Euell Gibbons.
The cereal mix might be good. The sexual mix? Homey don't play dat.
By the way, are you referring to California when you say "the cereal state"? Shouldn't that be "the [i]surreal[/i] state" - or does that refer only to San Francisco and south along the coast?
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Did you hear about the new cereal, "Prosti-Tootis"? They don't snap, crackle, or pop; they just lie on the bottom and bang, bang, bang.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]After 20+ years of living in the cereal state I have made the following conclusions about CW, that unique subset of AW. There are really five types of California Women:
A. Flakes (unreliable and undependable)
B. Fruits (growing abundance of lesbian ball-busters)
C. Nuts (menopausal psychotics and other ball-busting bitches)
D. Golddiggers (hell, these are the original California Women, alive and well today).
E. Other (that rare breed as Neil Young says looking for a heart of gold and I'm gettin old)
Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I'd agree... 100% this is generally what your dealing with in the Bay Area, Los Angeles and San Diego. Less so in the middle and past Sacramento.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Flakes, fruits & nuts? It sounds like a breakfast cereal for Euell Gibbons.
The cereal mix might be good. The sexual mix? Homey don't play dat.
By the way, are you referring to California when you say "the cereal state"? Shouldn't that be "the [i]surreal[/i] state" - or does that refer only to San Francisco and south along the coast?[/QUOTE]The irony is that California girls are actually the easiest of AWs, maybe some depressed parts of the Midwest, girls are easy too. East coast girls are the hardest nose AWs out there.
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Just curious...
There is no porn thread, so this will just have to do...
In many porn films the men often have (of course) huge dicks, but no balls it seems? WTF is all that about? Does having your nuts removed make yer dick bigger or something LoL If so, I think I'll still give it a miss HaHa
Please explain...
Cheers
Fox7717
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Get back to the Pussy...
...I thought this forum was about fucking not politics etc?
Anyhoo he says, I read that c70% of American earn less than $30k or c£20k
If so, no wonder most have a terrible quality of life and a couple of jobs when for example healthcare is so expensive! I have enjoyed lots of visists to the states but would never want to live there. Americans are brainwashed from birth that the US has the best of everything. Get out more! 90% do not have Passports. The best 'Yanks' by far as those who have travelled and seen something of the World, like our friend DJ FTM below for example.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers
Fox7717
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[QUOTE=Fox7717] Americans are brainwashed from birth that the US has the best of everything. [/QUOTE]
Agree with the brainwashing.
[QUOTE=Fox7717]Get out more! 90% do not have Passports. [/QUOTE]
I always said if Americans left they would really know what kind of country they live in....now I have a statistic to back that up.
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I don't think DJFTM travels that much. I think he went to Europe once or twice and has been whacking off thinking about it ever since. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]now I have a statistic to back that up.[/QUOTE]
No, now you have a [b]mere, unsupported [i]contention[/i],[/b] which on further investigation is bunk:
[url]http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_many_america.php[/url]
or
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States[/url]
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As said, back to the Pussy!
Are you suggesting Wikipedia is accurate?
It does not matter anyway if 10% or 20% as most Americans travel very little, if at all, aside from maybe the 'holiday of a lifetime' to 'do' Europe in a week. (I've met them) Hell they cannot even say the places properly. Moss-cow or Eye-rack or Eye-ran
And, the brianwashing holds true and average earnings are very low etc.
SO more importantly, why do so many pornstars apparently have no nuts?
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]Are you suggesting Wikipedia is accurate?
It does not matter anyway if 10% or 20% as most Americans travel very little, if at all, aside from maybe the 'holiday of a lifetime' to 'do' Europe in a week. (I've met them) Hell they cannot even say the places properly. Moss-cow or Eye-rack or Eye-ran
And, the brianwashing holds true and average earnings are very low etc.
SO more importantly, why do so many pornstars apparently have no nuts?[/QUOTE]
Just camera angles.....
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I'm suggesting that those bullshit numbers like 7% and 10% might have been true at one time, but the portion of Americans with passports has risen because
1) Globalization
2) The need for a passport to go to the US or Canada
3) Fear of worst-case scenario and desire to be prepared to flee
with #3 being the one I stress to my friends in the Yew Ess who don't have passports. It also comes in handy if you lose your wallet. Among the advantages of using a passport as ID is that it doesn't have your address on it. In fact I might get one of the passport cards even though I have a regular passport, just to use as ID in certain situations.
Now getting back to pussy. Having lived for a year in a house that was regularly rented out for porno shoots, I can assure you up close and personal those guys have balls. However, it is possible to tuck one's testicles up into the inguinal canal, which I think sumo wrestlers do. I don't plan on trying it.
And yes, I did fuck a couple of the "artists," including one whose name escapes me now, who became somewhat famous. Aside from the artists there were also "fluffers" who could be had, as well as some groupies/campfollowers and a few just plain hos floating around at the shoots.
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Mmmmm
Don't think it's the 'camera angles' plus the camera is VERY close usually.
Also don't think these guys 'tuck their balls' somewhere north in inguinal canal
Still a mystery!
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Well, if you are that concerned about the guys' balls when you watch porn, you are probably on the wrong forum, to say the very least.
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]I thought this forum was about fucking not politics etc?
Anyhoo he says, I read that c70% of American earn less than $30k or c£20k
If so, no wonder most have a terrible quality of life and a couple of jobs when for example healthcare is so expensive! I have enjoyed lots of visists to the states but would never want to live there. Americans are brainwashed from birth that the US has the best of everything. Get out more! 90% do not have Passports. The best 'Yanks' by far as those who have travelled and seen something of the World, like our friend DJ FTM below for example.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers
Fox7717[/QUOTE]A lot of younger Aussies have some weird obsession with America but having spent time and seeing the reality America only looks good compared to a third world country. America compared to other first world nations has a lower standard of living for the vast majority of Americans. I think the average income in the US is a bit higher than that, its more like $36k a year, which is still low, in Australia its $50k a year, and probably similar in richer EU countries. There is a lot of income inequality and despite the economic downturn big execs earn more today in the US than ever before.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Now getting back to pussy. Having lived for a year in a house that was regularly rented out for porno shoots, I can assure you up close and personal those guys have balls. However, it is possible to tuck one's testicles up into the inguinal canal, which I think sumo wrestlers do. I don't plan on trying it.
And yes, I did fuck a couple of the "artists," including one whose name escapes me now, who became somewhat famous. Aside from the artists there were also "fluffers" who could be had, as well as some groupies/campfollowers and a few just plain hos floating around at the shoots.[/QUOTE]
Where the hell was this house. Sounds like the perfect house I should have lived in back in college, but will settle for now lol
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Hey Dick Head...
...I did say I'm JUST CURIOUS the no nuts thing!!
You sound like you are in or know people in the Porn industry and so will know?
All agreed 'Australiasucks' so why use this name?
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]. I did say I'm JUST CURIOUS the no nuts thing!
You sound like you are in or know people in the Porn industry and so will know?
All agreed 'Australiasucks' so why use this name?[/QUOTE]But this forum/thread is to discuss women/AW. If men have nothing else to discuss except other guy's balls, then no wonder we are getting more and more AW-like women. We deserve it.
Anyways, there is a EE guy in his late 50s is going to bring to USA a 30something(looks like 20+) incredibly hot girl from Ukraine.
What do you think, can it last long once she gets to USA? Right now she seems really into him, can chat for hours on the internet.
I've heard too many stories that it starts like that, but then it changes once she has arrived and get her documents.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]... there is a EE guy in his late 50s is going to bring to USA a 30something (looks like 20+) incredibly hot girl from Ukraine.
What do you think, can it last long once she gets to USA? Right now she seems really into him, can chat for hours on the internet.
I've heard too many stories that it starts like that, but then it changes once she has arrived and get her documents.[/QUOTE]
I have my doubts. What will she do when she gets to this "Land of Opportunity"? She's likely to pick up the AW ways of controlling her man. She's likely to recognize that she can trade in her sugar-daddy for a younger, cuter, and maybe even wealthier model. She's likely to learn - and learn fast - that she can take most of Mr. Sugar-Daddy's sugar with her, when she does dump him. And she's sure to hear the advertisements "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!"
For his sake, I hope it will be "Happily Ever After." But I wouldn't bet on it. I think DCups has it right, if she [i]does[/i] stick around it won't be pleasant.
My hope is to move offshore, live on my pension, live WAY within my means and buy my pleasures with the money left over.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]She will quickly become Americanized and spoiled rotten. I have a good friend in the financial industry (my age 54) who married a cute little busty Russian chick in her 20s and they have 3 kids. He bought her a mercedes benz for her birthday. Her reaction? "Why didn't you get the bigger model"? I shit you not, that's what she said. The little ***** has never worked a day in her life(besides raising kids) and doesn't even put out any more according to my buddy. Sad shit indeed.
He says bring one back on fiance visa, bang it every night for six months and then send her back home to the motherland.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you 100%. The only thing I would add is that many of these girls don't need to learn the ways of the AW. From what I have seen and heard, I think many of these women have a plan to screw a guy over from the day they put a profile up on the internet.
Btw, I like the fiancé visa idea!
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[QUOTE=Booey]I have to agree with you 100%. The only thing I would add is that many of these girls don't need to learn the ways of the AW. From what I have seen and heard, I think many of these women have a plan to screw a guy over from the day they put a profile up on the internet.
Btw, I like the fiancé visa idea![/QUOTE]
Biggest problem is, if she's good at her game, and he's not extremely savvy to it, she'll have him thinking he's in love during those 6 months, and he'll get roped into keeping her until she's completed the kill. A lot of the guys who fall for this are nerdy types who have not had many real relationships under their belt - especially with hot chicks who are used to manipulating guys, and they are overmatched.
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]Biggest problem is, if she's good at her game, and he's not extremely savvy to it, she'll have him thinking he's in love during those 6 months, and he'll get roped into keeping her until she's completed the kill. A lot of the guys who fall for this are nerdy types who have not had many real relationships under their belt - especially with hot chicks who are used to manipulating guys, and they are overmatched.[/QUOTE]
You're right about that. I was really only thinking about our somewhat cynical ISG community here. I would like to think that most ISG'ers could pull off the fiancé visa trick. I would certainly check out the visa rules before attempting it though. I have heard that in some countries if the woman claims abuse then she can continue with the visa application regardless if she is with you or not. I don't know if this only applies to a spousal visa and not a fiancé visa though. Certainly don't want trumped up charges of abuse being brought against me!
Anyhow, I think I'd rather jump on a plane and go mongering, rather than dealing with and/or supporting some woman for six months! More variety and less expensive in the long run, imho.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]. I think the average income in the US is a bit higher than that, its more like $36k a year, which is still low, in Australia its $50k a year[/QUOTE]
$50k US or $50k Aussie? Because they are about the same thing. The 2006 version of The Economist's "Pocket World in Figures" gives US per capita GDP (not the same as income but probably a better indicator of living standard) as $37,240 USD per year, the sixth-highest in the world, vs. Australia at $26,250, #21 in the world. US is third in purchasing power while Australia is 13th.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]Where the hell was this house. Sounds like the perfect house I should have lived in back in college, but will settle for now lol[/QUOTE]
Here in Buenos Aires. It was actually more of a pain in the ass than an advantage, but it had its moments.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Yes, Booey, even six months with the same conniving broad is way too long for the sexually savvy monger :). Better to mongerwander in foreign lands than to experience the inevitable intense drama and non-stop crying after six months with some sexy east european babe.[/QUOTE]
I've always subscribed to the theory that, "no matter how good looking the woman, there is always some guy out there who is sick of fucking her!"
I need variety, so what if I am a selfish bastard. I want what I want!
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[QUOTE=Booey]I've always subscribed to the theory that, "no matter how good looking the woman, there is always some guy out there who is sick of fucking her!"[/QUOTE]
All too true. Or sick of dealing with her drama, or paying for her follies, or the like.
I guess living my life in the Supermax of Sex Prison (Washington, DC) has me very cynical and not-just-a-little paranoid of non-pro game. I've also seen my share of "Senorita Cartaverde," girls interested in me for the sake of getting a fast-track into the USA - and heard enough horror stories from my friends who got stung by the same.
Perhaps I'd look for "something serious" if I were living, say, in South America; somewhere that my money goes far enough that I could afford to be a sugar-daddy. "Listen, Conchita, we can have this good life [i]here[/i], but I couldn't afford to keep you this way back in the States. If you don't like that, go find someone else - and on your way out, send up that cute chica in the pink bikini, out there on the beach."
(Yeah, I know. That "pink bikini" phrase might get me into the Montevideo newspapers, as the founder of the Pocitos Flying Club.)
Meanwhile, I can make the occasional trip down South; but I am not bringing anyone home to the States with me. Period.
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A technique that has served me well is to not only live in a South American country, but live in one whose citizens are extremely unwelcome in the United States. Thus when they suggest marrying me so they can get my pension when I die, I reply that the marriage would not be recognized (true). When they suggest the fiance visa I tell them a) I will not be financially responsible for their civil and criminal acts and b) the visa will be denied anyway (true). Then they say they will get a tourist visa if I will take them to the US and I say fine, you show me the visa and then I will buy the tickets. Then they ask me if I will pay for the visa and I say no, because the application will just get denied (true).
I think any rational person who carefully reads the obligations he is taking on in going the fiance visa route, would think twice, and then three times, and then four times before doing such a thing. She disappears and robs a bank you are on the hook. She deals drugs you are on the hook. And etc. etc.
I know your sweet little baboo would never do any of those things but maybe some ho would do those things. And maybe your sweet baboo is actually just some ho.
It is much better for Mohammed to go to the mountain than for the mountain to come to Mohammed, if you get my drift.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]But this forum/thread is to discuss women/AW. If men have nothing else to discuss except other guy's balls, then no wonder we are getting more and more AW-like women. We deserve it.
Anyways, there is a EE guy in his late 50s is going to bring to USA a 30something(looks like 20+) incredibly hot girl from Ukraine.
What do you think, can it last long once she gets to USA? Right now she seems really into him, can chat for hours on the internet.
I've heard too many stories that it starts like that, but then it changes once she has arrived and get her documents.[/QUOTE]No way in hell, Eastern Europeans are the ones most likely to Westernize and change. Latinas are pretty close behind. Of all the foreign girls, its Asians who tend to be more honest. I have a lot of friends who married foreign women, several married EEs and got screwed over royally. European girls are good for STR, I would never in hell marry one. Asian women on the other hand are more sincere even those from wealthier parts of Asia. One of my friends married a Japanese girl, and he wound up moving to Japan because she wanted him in her country, so it was clear she was not trying to get a visa from him.
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Where is unwelcome?
[QUOTE=Dickhead]A technique that has served me well is to not only live in a South American country, but live in one whose citizens are extremely unwelcome in the United States.[/QUOTE]I didn't know there were "unwelcome citizen" countries. For example, what countries?
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I live in Argentina. Argentineans used to be able to visit the US without even a visa. Then Argentina defaulted on its sovereign debt and ever since then, Argentineans need visas. And, these visa requests are routinely denied. I don't know of any Argentinean who's been able to get a tourist visa since the default. I know a few who have gotten sponsored work visas.
Other countries whose citizens are unwelcome in the US includes Cuba for Christ's sakes. You should get out more, maybe do a little reading.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Other countries whose citizens are unwelcome in the US includes Cuba for Christ's sakes. You should get out more, maybe do a little reading.[/QUOTE]
I always thought Cuba had the potential to become such a great place to live. Caribbean, tanned latinas, beaches.... to bad the government is such a wreck.
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Dickhead-
Actually, according to a friend of mine who works at the US Embassy in Buenos Aires, 87% of Argentine citizens applying for Tourist Visas at the US Embassy in Buenos Aires are approved.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
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Honestly, I wouldn't believe that number even if it came from an official source. But anyway I am talking about getting an unmarried woman who owns no property a visa, which would be the situation we mongers would be looking at. I know a monger whose job it was to approve tourist visas and he (almost) never did for single women because if they WERE to get busted for hooking in the US, it would have been bad for his career. I've known probably ten or twelve guys who've tried to get a visa for an Argentinean woman, and zero have gotten them. Some were hookers and some weren't but most had some semblance of a regular job. Maybe if they owned property it would be different.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I live in Argentina. Argentineans used to be able to visit the US without even a visa. Then Argentina defaulted on its sovereign debt and ever since then, Argentineans need visas. And, these visa requests are routinely denied. I don't know of any Argentinean who's been able to get a tourist visa since the default. I know a few who have gotten sponsored work visas.
Other countries whose citizens are unwelcome in the US includes Cuba for Christ's sakes. You should get out more, maybe do a little reading.[/QUOTE]Actually, Cubans have the mystical "touch U.S. soil and get permanent residency" rule.
I know there are plenty of unwelcome countries, but "Dickhead" was saying that even fiance visas and marriages would be rejected. The U.S. makes people jump through hoops, especially for "unwelcome countries", but a legit marriage is not rejected, as far as I know.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I don't think DJFTM travels that much. I think he went to Europe once or twice and has been whacking off thinking about it ever since. Not that there's anything wrong with that.[/QUOTE]
Gee thanks... I've been down in Mexico a few times, Canada a few times, all the lower 48 (used to drive Trucks) and yes I've been mmm through Europe. Just once, but I spent the better part of 30 days in Europe.
When I came back, basically my life went down hill and I wasn't completely prepared for it.
If I sold everything I got, I might have enough for RT ticket and some spending cash, but why should I do that?
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]Don't think it's the 'camera angles' plus the camera is VERY close usually.
Also don't think these guys 'tuck their balls' somewhere north in inguinal canal
Still a mystery![/QUOTE]
Dude I live in Porn Valley, its CAMERA ANGLES.
You can bag a porno chick I just don't recommend it. Porn chicks outside of America might be a different story since views about sex outside of Prison are varied if not downright liberal.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]A lot of younger Aussies have some weird obsession with America but having spent time and seeing the reality America only looks good compared to a third world country. America compared to other first world nations has a lower standard of living for the vast majority of Americans. I think the average income in the US is a bit higher than that, its more like $36k a year, which is still low, in Australia its $50k a year, and probably similar in richer EU countries. There is a lot of income inequality and despite the economic downturn big execs earn more today in the US than ever before.[/QUOTE]
Average income depends on location but its roughly around $36K, its $52K in California. You are correct about the income disparity top 2% own 98% of the total wealth and 4% earn more than the bottom 90% combined.
Its a return of the robber barons, feudalism or any other analogy you can think of for a shrinking or genocide of the Middle Class.
Real unemployment is 17-18%, its over 20% in major metropolitan areas and in some minority dominated areas is at least 50% and been that way since the middle part of the decade actually.
As much as they don't want to hear it, we will have a double deep recession. All the major banks are still holding on to far too many toxic assets.
It might too early to say this, but even if things turned positive tomorrow, it would be 2015 or so before we're back to "normal" consumption levels.
Everyday they fool around with mickey mouse reform it just delays recovery and this has all the makings of a the same lost decade that Japan experienced in the 90's.
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I could easily think of several dozen countries whose citizens would have a heck of a time with US immigration. Even if a citizen of that country were to marry a US citizen spouse, the immigration authorities would make them jump through hoops. However I have heard of citizens from countries seen as friendly with the US have a hell of a time too. An British friend of mine told me about a really bad experience in LAX where he was mistaken for bank robber from San Diego, I knew another friend who said the INS was pretty nasty with his wife who is Italian.
The real issue is that if that certain someone is a bit too eager to go home with you, they probably are just using you for a visa. I know as a legal resident of Australia, which is a highly sought country for immigrants, I get a lot of attention from foreign girls, but know better than to get used.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Average income depends on location but its roughly around $36K, its $52K in California. You are correct about the income disparity top 2% own 98% of the total wealth and 4% earn more than the bottom 90% combined.
Its a return of the robber barons, feudalism or any other analogy you can think of for a shrinking or genocide of the Middle Class.
Real unemployment is 17-18%, its over 20% in major metropolitan areas and in some minority dominated areas is at least 50% and been that way since the middle part of the decade actually.
As much as they don't want to hear it, we will have a double deep recession. All the major banks are still holding on to far too many toxic assets.
It might too early to say this, but even if things turned positive tomorrow, it would be 2015 or so before we're back to "normal" consumption levels.
Everyday they fool around with mickey mouse reform it just delays recovery and this has all the makings of a the same lost decade that Japan experienced in the 90's.[/QUOTE]I have a friend who works in real estate over there, he bluntly told me he does not expect a robust return to economic growth until 2016 or even later.
Average American salaries have taken a big hit from the 90s when it was easy to find a high paying job.
The US per capita GDP is around 46k a year but the mean salary is only 35k, tells you something, the distribution of income is very unequal in the US. Australian per capita GDP is around the same as the US estimate but the average income is higher which means there is more equal distribution of income.
Unemployment in Australia is only 5 percent and its a realistic number because Australia tracks its unemployed more thoroughly than the US. US unemployment benefits dry up after 6 months and then anyone who does not find a job after that is not counted anymore.
Also this development does not bode well for the political situation within the US.
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[QUOTE=Booey]You're right about that. I was really only thinking about our somewhat cynical ISG community here. I would like to think that most ISG'ers could pull off the fiancé visa trick. I would certainly check out the visa rules before attempting it though. I have heard that in some countries if the woman claims abuse then she can continue with the visa application regardless if she is with you or not. I don't know if this only applies to a spousal visa and not a fiancé visa though. Certainly don't want trumped up charges of abuse being brought against me!
Anyhow, I think I'd rather jump on a plane and go mongering, rather than dealing with and/or supporting some woman for six months! More variety and less expensive in the long run, imho.[/QUOTE]
ISG is quite cynical if not over the top cynical. Of course what do you expect from men that have been burned in divorce court before? I don't expect them to be gleeful about it.
But saying all women are rotten gold-digging tramps is a bit extreme. I would have not come to the conclusion I have come to without some experience, so here goes.
Depending on how you wanna look at it, the salad days of Eastern Europe are long gone. Western style Capitalism has given people in those countries more opportunity. The women are not desperate to leave (based on economics only), but since women heavily out number men in much Russia and Ukraine the likelihood of finding a person that wants what you want (husband, decent life and children) isn't very high. So they are willing to consider a man from someplace else.
Some want to remain close to home (Europe) and have no interest in Canadian or American men. Others are open minded, others like American culture (the idealized America you find on TV and Movies).
So if your willing to put in the effort and spend the money (not on support, on the K-1 process and all the trips over there) you can find a nice girl for LTR. Some average, some stunning. Not all want a Benz or Bimmer, but if you live that kind of lifestyle, don't be surprised if she asked if why you got the C and not the E. In reality until the current model, the C class had terrible legroom in the back, its a legitimate concern. So it depends on the context on which he's talking about.
There was also a thread in the Ukraine forum that some full-timer that was working in another country (Turkey maybe?) would agree to be his long term GF if he brought her a BMW X5. Like you would expect any less from a attractive woman with no dependents that makes $200-300US per transaction?
If I had listen to some people, I would believe all the stuff you hear about skinheads and xenophobia in Ukraine for example. I didn't and while I only visited one girl and was there for only 2.5 days, I feel (and I did look) if I wanted to go to introduction service (it was closed the one free day I had) I could have and maybe met a few more ladies with serious intentions.
If I called up Larisa today and say pack your shit and Oxana you're coming to America, I doubt she would say no.
I'm being totally superficial but she had a nasty scar on her head from a motorcycle accident, was really average looking and older than I wanted, plus had a child already from her ex.
I want (still want) younger (late 20's vs mid 30's), better than average and no children.
But if the economy and my job opportunities are not going to improve to 2015, it will be awhile before I can pursue what I want and I'm still considering South America as well, so nothing is set in stone.
The cynicism doesn't bother me, I find it kind of funny.
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42 Things Wrong With American Women
This is a funny list I saw on another site. Some of these are so true it made me laugh. Anyways, here it comes.
1. They’re fat.
2. They’re constantly glued to their phone.
3. They cut their hair short.
4. They’re more impressed by a crappy DJ than a doctor who saves lives.
5. They think being funny and witty is a quality that men love.
6. They listen to magazines like Cosmo when it comes to pleasing men.
7. They don’t know how to cook.
8. They wear flip-flops even when they’re not at the beach, pool, or in their house.
9. They have condoms in their drawers because they expect to have random sex with strange men.
10. They cannot dance. They also do not know how to sing or play basic musical instruments.
11. They idolize drug addicted celebrities, mimicking their brain-dead behaviors.
12. They acquire pets instead of putting effort into landing a quality man.
13. They don’t know how to be sexy.
14. They have standards way beyond their level of attractiveness.
15. They think having a good job means they’re a good catch.
16. They wear pajamas in public.
17. They like Twilight and The Secret.
18. Their idea of travel is going to the beach or France.
19. They have too many trashy tattoos.
20. They are proud to date multiple guys at the same time, as if they were men.
21. They are not close to their family, and would rather die than take care of aging parents.
22. They say filthy things in bed when you hardly know them.
23. They cockblock regularly.
24. They make lame excuses for not putting effort into their appearance.
25. They obsess about the environment above what is reasonable, even though they pollute more than 90% of people in the world.
26. They always lie by saying, “I’ve never done this before.”
27. They confuse being a challenge with being whiny and annoying.
28. They are acne prone.
29. They watch way too much TV.
30. On their way home from work, they put on dirty sneakers that don’t match their outfit.
31. They only dress up for special occasions, like a friend’s birthday, Presidential inauguration, or a Sex and the City movie premiere.
32. They like to age their skin prematurely through frequent tanning.
33. They insist on eating pizza or otherwise fattening food after a night of binge drinking.
34. They’re obsessed with cupcakes.
35. They care more about maintaining their career than a good home.
36. They rarely wear high heels.
37. They think dining out and eating food slathered with butter and salt makes them cultured.
38. They don’t speak a foreign language.
39. They are uncomfortable in their own skin.
40. They like Ikea furniture.
41. They have the intellectual curiosity of a dung beetle.
42. They go on and on about the stupidest shit.
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They say filthy things in bed when you hardly know them.
This is the only one on your list that that I like.
You forgot to mention their propensities for incessant meaningless talk about their stupid, selfish feelings; golddigging/materialism/shopping for overpriced meaningless bullshit and being sexually stupid and conservative.
I'm sure other mongers can also add to the list.
The Canadian rock band Guess Who was spot on with their '70's hit "American Woman..stay away from me. AW, mama let me be, don't come knockin around my, door, don't want to see your face no more...
Smart mongers cross borders and oceans to find the fine pussy that the world offers!
[QUOTE=Sprite13]This is a funny list I saw on another site. Some of these are so true it made me laugh. Anyways, here it comes.
1. They’re fat.
2. They’re constantly glued to their phone.
3. They cut their hair short.
4. They’re more impressed by a crappy DJ than a doctor who saves lives.
5. They think being funny and witty is a quality that men love.
6. They listen to magazines like Cosmo when it comes to pleasing men.
7. They don’t know how to cook.
8. They wear flip-flops even when they’re not at the beach, pool, or in their house.
9. They have condoms in their drawers because they expect to have random sex with strange men.
10. They cannot dance. They also do not know how to sing or play basic musical instruments.
11. They idolize drug addicted celebrities, mimicking their brain-dead behaviors.
12. They acquire pets instead of putting effort into landing a quality man.
13. They don’t know how to be sexy.
14. They have standards way beyond their level of attractiveness.
15. They think having a good job means they’re a good catch.
16. They wear pajamas in public.
17. They like Twilight and The Secret.
18. Their idea of travel is going to the beach or France.
19. They have too many trashy tattoos.
20. They are proud to date multiple guys at the same time, as if they were men.
21. They are not close to their family, and would rather die than take care of aging parents.
22. They say filthy things in bed when you hardly know them.
23. They cockblock regularly.
24. They make lame excuses for not putting effort into their appearance.
25. They obsess about the environment above what is reasonable, even though they pollute more than 90% of people in the world.
26. They always lie by saying, “I’ve never done this before.”
27. They confuse being a challenge with being whiny and annoying.
28. They are acne prone.
29. They watch way too much TV.
30. On their way home from work, they put on dirty sneakers that don’t match their outfit.
31. They only dress up for special occasions, like a friend’s birthday, Presidential inauguration, or a Sex and the City movie premiere.
32. They like to age their skin prematurely through frequent tanning.
33. They insist on eating pizza or otherwise fattening food after a night of binge drinking.
34. They’re obsessed with cupcakes.
35. They care more about maintaining their career than a good home.
36. They rarely wear high heels.
37. They think dining out and eating food slathered with butter and salt makes them cultured.
38. They don’t speak a foreign language.
39. They are uncomfortable in their own skin.
40. They like Ikea furniture.
41. They have the intellectual curiosity of a dung beetle.
42. They go on and on about the stupidest shit.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kngdf5]Actually, Cubans have the mystical "touch U.S. soil and get permanent residency" rule.
I know there are plenty of unwelcome countries, but "Dickhead" was saying that even fiance visas and marriages would be rejected. The U.S. makes people jump through hoops, especially for "unwelcome countries", but a legit marriage is not rejected, as far as I know.[/QUOTE]
Never, ever did I say that. I was talking strictly about tourist visas. I have no experience with fiance visits since I have never known anyone stupid enough to try to do that.
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More mistakes courtesy of AustraliaSucks:
1) US unemployment benefits seldom end after six months
2) It's completely false that you are no longer counted as unemployed once the benefits run out, and
3) He is confusing the median with the mean. The mean income is much higher than the median income.
But hey, don't let facts stand in the way of a good story.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]More mistakes courtesy of AustraliaSucks:
1) US unemployment benefits seldom end after six months
2) It's completely false that you are no longer counted as unemployed once the benefits run out, and
3) He is confusing the median with the mean. The mean income is much higher than the median income.
But hey, don't let facts stand in the way of a good story.[/QUOTE]I lived in the US for roughly 10 years so I am familiar with the system there, from what I remember UI runs out after six months, it was 9 months during the time after 9-11.
The US gets its unemployment numbers from the number of people who apply for UI. They do not count people who stopped looking for work and people in prison.
There is a lot of dodgy math involved in US unemployment numbers, the U6 is a more realistic picture of the jobless rate in the US than the official national rate, and its more like 18 percent.
The real unemployment rates in Western Europe, Australia, Canada, etc are more realistic than those in the US. Australia's unemployment rate is 5 percent and the real figure is slightly higher.
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I lived in the US for roughly 10 years so I am familiar with the system there, from what I remember UI runs out after six months, it was 9 months during the time after 9-11.
[b] It depends on the unemployment rate, and can vary from state to state, but only under very good economic conditions will 26 weeks be the limit.[/b]
The US gets its unemployment numbers from the number of people who apply for UI. They do not count people who stopped looking for work and people in prison.
[b]It is true they do not count people who have stopped looking for work, but that doesn't mean that everybody whose UI benefits have run out have stopped looking for work, for chrissakes![/b]
There is a lot of dodgy math involved in US unemployment numbers, the U6 is a more realistic picture of the jobless rate in the US than the official national rate, and its more like 18 percent.
[b]Certainly I agree the US understates its unemployment rate, primarily by counting people who work 1 hour a week as "employed."[/b]
The real unemployment rates in Western Europe, Australia, Canada, etc are more realistic than those in the US. Australia's unemployment rate is 5 percent and the real figure is slightly higher.
[b]I agree those countries' rates are more realistic.[/b]
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]More mistakes courtesy of AustraliaSucks:
1) US unemployment benefits seldom end after six months
2) It's completely false that you are no longer counted as unemployed once the benefits run out, and
3) He is confusing the median with the mean. The mean income is much higher than the median income.
But hey, don't let facts stand in the way of a good story.[/QUOTE]
Here's another one, "Asian women on the other hand are more sincere even those from wealthier parts of Asia. One of my friends married a Japanese girl, and he wound up moving to Japan because she wanted him in her country, so it was clear she was not trying to get a visa from him."
I'm sure I can find a lot of Thai and Phil women who would love to meet him, and then fleece him!
You might find a sincere Asian woman if she is close to your age and socioeconomic status and maybe, just maybe once in awhile, you will find a diamond in the rough who does not fit the profile. Because one Japanese woman is wonderful does not mean that all Asian women are wonderful. As a matter of fact, my cousin is married to a Japanese woman, who has become totally Americanized, and she is the biggest pain in the ass I have ever met.
Let's get real here, you cannot judge all Asian women on just one relationship that worked out. Some of them are good and some of them are bad, think with your big head and be careful out there.
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[QUOTE=Booey]Here's another one, "Asian women on the other hand are more sincere even those from wealthier parts of Asia. One of my friends married a Japanese girl, and he wound up moving to Japan because she wanted him in her country, so it was clear she was not trying to get a visa from him."
I'm sure I can find a lot of Thai and Phil women who would love to meet him, and then fleece him!
You might find a sincere Asian woman if she is close to your age and socioeconomic status and maybe, just maybe once in awhile, you will find a diamond in the rough who does not fit the profile. Because one Japanese woman is wonderful does not mean that all Asian women are wonderful. As a matter of fact, my cousin is married to a Japanese woman, who has become totally Americanized, and she is the biggest pain in the ass I have ever met.
Let's get real here, you cannot judge all Asian women on just one relationship that worked out. Some of them are good and some of them are bad, think with your big head and be careful out there.[/QUOTE]
I used to believe that Asian women were the gold standard for the perfect mate. Now that I am older and have spoken to many men that were either divorced or have been done wrong by Asian Women I know that it is not true. IMHO any woman can become americanized and change for the worse. It is tough to sustain a relationship on any level. Perhaps a little harder in America because of the culture though.
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Asian women in North America suck but those I meet in Australia are much better because they are more in tune with their old ways. American women regardless of ethnicity suck and are just plain nasty.
As far as the economics, let me say this, if you are in the bottom 95 percent in Australia, Western Europe, Canada, etc, chances are you are better off than the bottom 95 percent of America. Life for ordinary working people in America is just not good. Even more affluent Americans are not as well off as they think.
Someone put a link to a person who was writing about his experiences overseas, I think the average American, if they were aware of how the working class live in other developed countries really live, there would be rioting in the streets. Let me give you one major difference between Australia and the US, by law an employer must give an employee 4 weeks of vacation at full pay or even 8 weeks at half pay. Unemployment insurance is more generous than in the US. Laws regarding overtime in Australia are a lot tougher than America, even then people do not work that much overtime. That kind of time gives you ample opportunity to travel and do things outside of work. There are Americans who have not been on vacation for years at a time and many are overworked. I can think of other things as well. Health care is also much better, you do not have to worry about going bankrupt if you get sick in Oz. I have heard a lot of Americans knock down national healthcare but my honest opinion of US healthcare is that it sucks, Americans pay more for lower quality care.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Asian women in North America suck but those I meet in Australia are much better because they are more in tune with their old ways. American women regardless of ethnicity suck and are just plain nasty.
As far as the economics, let me say this, if you are in the bottom 95 percent in Australia, Western Europe, Canada, etc, chances are you are better off than the bottom 95 percent of America. Life for ordinary working people in America is just not good. Even more affluent Americans are not as well off as they think.
Someone put a link to a person who was writing about his experiences overseas, I think the average American, if they were aware of how the working class live in other developed countries really live, there would be rioting in the streets. Let me give you one major difference between Australia and the US, by law an employer must give an employee 4 weeks of vacation at full pay or even 8 weeks at half pay. Unemployment insurance is more generous than in the US. Laws regarding overtime in Australia are a lot tougher than America, even then people do not work that much overtime. That kind of time gives you ample opportunity to travel and do things outside of work. There are Americans who have not been on vacation for years at a time and many are overworked. I can think of other things as well. Health care is also much better, you do not have to worry about going bankrupt if you get sick in Oz. I have heard a lot of Americans knock down national healthcare but my honest opinion of US healthcare is that it sucks, Americans pay more for lower quality care.[/QUOTE]You haven't a clue what you're talking about. America is the land of opportunity. We make more millionare's than any other country in the world. Thats the bottom line in America. We work hard and play hard. Yes there are people who have it rough. But we also have plenty who are living good.
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Work hard AND play hard? Well I agree with the first part, but after 2 years living in Colombia let me say that Americans are AMATEURS at "play" :P
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Work hard AND play hard? Well I agree with the first part, but after 2 years living in Colombia let me say that Americans are AMATEURS at "play" :P[/QUOTE]America has the best playgrounds for adults in the world. Vegas. The beaches. World class ski resorts. Spas. Disneylands. Universal Studios. 6 flags. Please the list is endless. We have things other countries/people only get to see on TV. We have it all.
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Work in general is highly overrated. And this particular American gets 20 weeks off per year, and allegedly works 26-2/3 hours a week, but actually works about 15-20, and clears about $36k after taxes. In the coming year I will have to actually work 40 hours a week (maybe) for 32 weeks but I will clear about $65k. I know, I know; that is twice as much work for less than twice as much money but that is what happens with graduated tax rates. I am okay with graduated tax rates; in fact, I favor them.
Any idiot can work hard.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Work in general is highly overrated. And this particular American gets 20 weeks off per year, and allegedly works 26-2/3 hours a week, but actually works about 15-20, and clears about $36k after taxes. In the coming year I will have to actually work 40 hours a week (maybe) for 32 weeks but I will clear about $65k. I know, I know; that is twice as much work for less than twice as much money but that is what happens with graduated tax rates. I am okay with graduated tax rates; in fact, I favor them.
Any idiot can work hard.[/QUOTE]The only reason people work is to make money and get good things. That is what made America run, people were motivated to work hard in order to get rich and have the American dream, these days its becoming more and more unattainable for ordinary people. Americans are working harder today than before but are worse off than Americans 30 years ago when you adjust salaries for inflation. So what is so great about all that hard work when it bears less fruit?? Australia is a great place to live because it has a high standard of living but people do not work like they do in America. I worked in the States for a decade and went several years without a real holiday, in Australia I take 8 weeks off every single year.
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In 2008 (the latest year available) the average US wage was $41,334.97. In 1978 it was $10,556.03. So: [(4133497/1055603)^(1/30)] - 1 = 4.66% compound average annual increase in wages in the last thirty years. Those figures are from the Social Security website.
Now we'll compare the average annual CPI (Consumer Price Index) for 2008 vs. 1978: 210.228 vs. 65.2. That is a 3.98% compound average annual increase. Hence wages rose about 17% faster than inflation and Australiasucks once again does not know what he is talking about. And, marginal tax rates are considerably lower now than in 1978 so don't even bring that shit up.
Clearly the US worker's standard of living rose over the last 30 years. I don't know much about the economy in Australia but I know enough to shut the fuck up about it.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Work in general is highly overrated. And this particular American gets 20 weeks off per year, and allegedly works 26-2/3 hours a week, but actually works about 15-20, and clears about $36k after taxes. In the coming year I will have to actually work 40 hours a week (maybe) for 32 weeks but I will clear about $65k. I know, I know; that is twice as much work for less than twice as much money but that is what happens with graduated tax rates. I am okay with graduated tax rates; in fact, I favor them.
Any idiot can work hard.[/QUOTE]
I've begged to use my vacation time, after 1 year is 1 week paid, after 2 its two weeks paid until 5 years in and then its 3. It doesn't increase again until 10 years in, some companies its longer, some others it never more than 2-3 weeks period.
We have ultra high productivity and what has it gotten us but Corporate Welfare System.
ThatGuy is a Libertarian or Republican, we are not the Greatest Country On Earth and our quality of life rating is in the 20's and 30's (Switzerland, Austria and Scandinavia top the list constantly). Some of the best places to live in the US are horribly expensive; You wanna live in po-dunk Iowa, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Missouri, etc? - Be My Guess!
We used to have a country where you didn't need wealth to get what you wanted. Now you have to be wealthy to protect you from being Middle Class, that's ridiculous.
As George Carlin said (RIP), "The Rich only keep the poor around to scare the middle class to keep going to those [i]jobs[/i]..." those great and wonderful jobs the US has, mostly POOR PAYING Service Sector jobs with no health care or other benefits.
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You want a good job, get a good education, or learn a high-paying trade with barriers to entry such as licensing. Here was my evolution:
Phase 1: Went to work at fourteen, quit school at fifteen. Having no diploma relegated me to unskilled factory work (extremely hard, paid okay, hated it) or kitchen work (pretty hard, paid lousy, liked it for the most part). If I did the work I hated I could make 2x minimum wage and sometimes got health insurance. Kitchen work, once I was good, I could make maybe 1.75x minimum wage.
So since I'm not an idiot, I concentrated on finding the easiest possible cooking jobs, and then I made them even easier by being extremely fast and efficient. Small motels are good. Low volume so you can work alone, but they won't normally go out of business because the franchise agreement will require the restaurant to be open certain hours. Cooking is a portable skill or trade that will never go out of style. And, since there are always jobs for cooks, I could quit any time they pissed me off, and it didn't really matter.
Further education was still not on my radar so I looked for something to do as "moonlighting" that maybe paid better and was different from cooking. Since I am "Johnny Baseball" my wife suggested I try umpiring, and I turned that into a good side gig, starting
Phase 2: Still no education but working my ass off and finally getting to the point of creating a surplus. After three years of this I was able to buy a condo. Then I started applying for civil service jobs that required a high school diploma, even though I didn't have one. I figured if I got close to being hired I would just run down and take the GED. Well, as it turned out I got hired by the post office and they didn't bother to check, leading to
Phase 3: Now I have a good paying, secure, union job with all the benefits including a pension. Life is good. No need to go back to school now. Except I took a dive and broke my neck, and then had four knee operations, which ruined my career. But, it ruined it slowly enough I had time to go back to school, leading to
Phase 4: Now I have a bachelor's degree and am both broadly educated in a number of areas and deeply educated in a particular field. This field requires a license that is particularly hard to get, but I got it. Now I am a white collar, upper-middle class individual. But, while the field was interesting in theory, it was not all the much fun in practice, leading to
Phase 5: I got an advanced degree and two more professional certifications and became an expert in a very small sub-field. Making lots of money and in demand. Finally I begin to teach the subject instead of doing it, which leads to
Phase 6: I weasel my way into a really easy job that can be done drunk and naked from anywhere in the world, and I leave the Yew Ess behind. But all good things must come to an end, and that job came to an end.
Well, guess what? Even in a terrible economy I quickly found another good job, and when that ends I'll find another good job, and so forth. That's because I have top-notch qualifications. And, if I don't, or if I lose my license or something, I've always got a trade to fall back on!
But American Women still suck.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I've begged to use my vacation time, after 1 year is 1 week paid, after 2 its two weeks paid until 5 years in and then its 3. It doesn't increase again until 10 years in, some companies its longer, some others it never more than 2-3 weeks period.
We have ultra high productivity and what has it gotten us but Corporate Welfare System.
ThatGuy is a Libertarian or Republican, we are not the Greatest Country On Earth and our quality of life rating is in the 20's and 30's (Switzerland, Austria and Scandinavia top the list constantly). Some of the best places to live in the US are horribly expensive; You want to live in po-dunk Iowa, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Missouri, etc?. Be My Guess!
We used to have a country where you didn't need wealth to get what you wanted. Now you have to be wealthy to protect you from being Middle Class, that's ridiculous.
As George Carlin said (RIP), "The Rich only keep the poor around to scare the middle class to keep going to those [I]jobs[/I]. " those great and wonderful jobs the US has, mostly POOR PAYING Service Sector jobs with no health care or other benefits.[/QUOTE]That is really true, in America, its normal to tip waiters and staff but in Australia tipping someone is akin to saying "Here is some money for your trouble, peasant", basically its an insult. The lowest wage is around 15 to 16 US an hour, Aussies do not make millions but earn a good living on average to live decent. Many jobs do not pay well in America unless you have a college or professional degree, even a McDonalds burger flipper in Australia can make around 40k a year, I doubt the same person would earn the same in the US. The only way to make a good living in America is go to college and get some specialized training. But even now I hear college grads are taking jobs that they would not because of the poor economic conditions. The spread of wealth in America is very unfair, with an ultrarich upper class, struggling middle class, and a large underclass living in near third world poverty.
Actually Australia is way up on that list as well with Scandinavia, Canada is high up on that list. I have been to Canada on numerous occasions, find it to be far superior to the US, and if you have been to Quebec its a pussy paradise on the level of the best in Europe.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]In 2008 (the latest year available) the average US wage was $41,334.97. In 1978 it was $10,556.03. So: [(4133497/1055603)^(1/30)] - 1 = 4.66% compound average annual increase in wages in the last thirty years. Those figures are from the Social Security website.
Now we'll compare the average annual CPI (Consumer Price Index) for 2008 vs. 1978: 210.228 vs. 65.2. That is a 3.98% compound average annual increase. Hence wages rose about 17% faster than inflation and Australiasucks once again does not know what he is talking about. And, marginal tax rates are considerably lower now than in 1978 so don't even bring that shit up.
Clearly the US worker's standard of living rose over the last 30 years. I don't know much about the economy in Australia but I know enough to shut the fuck up about it.[/QUOTE]Why don't you read this:
[url]http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/25/pf/mobility_study/index.htm[/url]
Whats up with defending the US dickhead, I thought you didnt like it there?
I can tell you for a fact that being a working class Aussie is a lot better than being a working class American, in fact, I prefer it to being a rich American too.
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I am not defending the US; I am defending [b]accuracy[/b]. And, my data are objective (and verifiable) whereas your article is subjective and biased. Furthermore, you talked about [b]thirty years ago[/b] and this article talks about [b]people who are thirty years old[/b]. It ain't the same thing.
"The study was produced by a handful of politically diverse think tanks" = bias
"Relying on Census Bureau figures": this means the data were self-reported = bias, inaccuracy, based on a sample, etc.
"Similarly, American [b]families[/b], which experienced a 32 percent increase in income levels between 1964 and 1994, saw [b]household[/b] income growth slow to 9 percent between 1974 and 2004": Because [b]family size[/b] decreased! Duh! Family income don't got squat to do with it.
You need to learn to think critically and not just swallow a lot of bullshit published by some slick magazine that doesn't even show any sources, and needs to be sensational to sell magazines.
But I would certainly rather live in Australia than the United States; however, you cocksuckers won't let me in. Realistically, if I ran a country I probably would not let a lazy, *****mongering, trash-talking, dope smoking boozehound into it either. But actually I am a fairly productive citizen overall.
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[quote=thatguy865]america has the best playgrounds for adults in the world. vegas. the beaches. world class ski resorts. spas. disneylands. universal studios. 6 flags. please the list is endless. we have things other countries/people only get to see on tv. we have it all.[/quote]
please... sex prison usa has the worst playgrounds in the world, since p4p is illegal, you can't order a beer at mcdonalds or dennys, you can't smoke in bars, there is no nude advertising, and various other party-pooping laws of the religious right to limit our rights to freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]That is really true, in America, its normal to tip waiters and staff but in Australia tipping someone is akin to saying "Here is some money for your trouble, peasant", basically its an insult. [/QUOTE]
This is one of my favorite things about your country. Tipping sucks and I hate working for tips. Hardly ever did it. Delivering pizzas part-time, is all.
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]The lowest wage is around 15 to 16 US an hour, Aussies do not make millions but earn a good living on average to live decent. Many jobs do not pay well in America unless you have a college or professional degree, even a McDonalds burger flipper in Australia can make around 40k a year, I doubt the same person would earn the same in the US.[/QUOTE]
Nor should they!
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]The only way to make a good living in America is go to college and get some specialized training.[/QUOTE]
Or learn a trade, or open your own business. Do the names Bill Gates and Michael Dell have any significance to you? Neither has a college degree! I have a friend who is a master plumber, no college at all. He makes about $200k a year and he ain't chasing turds, either. He puts in radiant floor heating systems, driveway de-icers, shit like that. It's hard work (crouching all day for one thing), I've worked with him a few times, but it isn't dirty or hot or noisy or anything like that.
One of the reasons I posted about the phases of my working life was to demonstrate that upward mobility is still possible in the United States. I don't yearn for it, but it's possible. One or two regular posters on this thread seem to think it is all a system beyond their control. One must think creatively to rise above the system.
Or you can just go "poor poor pitiful me" for the rest of your life. The choice is yours!
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[quote=crazy jim wood]please... sex prison usa has the worst playgrounds in the world, since p4p is illegal, you can't order a beer at mcdonalds or dennys, you can't smoke in bars, there is no nude advertising, and various other party-pooping laws of the religious right to limit our rights to freedom and the pursuit of happiness.[/quote]
many denny's serve beer. i used to work for denny's (they really suck). mcdonald's sucks too; that food is inedible as far as i am concerned, so who gives a fuck if they serve beer? however anyone who thinks us ski areas are world class probably has not been to st. moritz, bariloche, portillo, whistler, etc. is aspen a world class ski area? i don't really know but i know they have some world-class gold-digging ball-busting b!tches there!
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]America has the best playgrounds for adults in the world. Vegas. The beaches. World class ski resorts. Spas. Disneylands. Universal Studios. 6 flags. Please the list is endless. We have things other countries/people only get to see on TV. We have it all.[/QUOTE]that's funny. I have seen some of this BS. Disney, Universal, LV. America has all the facilities for that, but unfortunatly nothing else. The rest is advertised overpriced BS crap plus fucked up people. And on every corner they try to sell you a timeshare. Looks like the some of the most fucked up playground in the world.
Ok, of course its all great if you come there with your gorgeous biyotch.
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To get back on topic:
[url]http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15599356[/url]
This happens with alarming regularity in the Yew Ess. What is up with that?
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Obviously That Gay has never heard of Euro Disney. That Gay has probably never been out of the US. Six Fags? Please. We got go kart tracks (80 mph) here that make Six Fags look like a joke. We got places you can shoot machine guns and bazookas. Universal Studios is for jock sniffers. What a kunt.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Obviously That Gay has never heard of Euro Disney. That Gay has probably never been out of the US. Six Fags? Please. We got go kart tracks (80 mph) here that make Six Fags look like a joke. We got places you can shoot machine guns and bazookas. Universal Studios is for jock sniffers. What a kunt.[/QUOTE]Thatguy probably never lived overseas, I am surprised Aussie migration would give you trouble, being a monger and a boozer is no biggie, describes nearly half of the Australian population LOL. I moved to Oz because I could not get permanent status in the US despite living nearly a decade there and I did not want to go back to the UK. Anyway I just put him on ignore, the point is that there are a lot of great things to experience outside of America.
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Still sucking in Australia
Australia Sucks/CBGB, I think you're actually starting to believe your own charade about being an Australian. Here's a little reminder of who you are, to help you with your identity crisis[QUOTE=Piper1] ... Mr. Sucks is officially CBGBconnisur, so you're dealing with an American living in Sydney who was banned from ISG for his flames and his racist diatribes. For some reason he's come back under a new "Aussie" identity to criticize his host country.[/QUOTE]I see he's on two strikes already in his new identity. I disagree with many of his inane and inaccurate opinions about Australia - he obviously doesn't get out much.
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Oh yeah; I forgot about that. Now that you point it out, I remember this fuck. The operative phrase is "snivel."
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[QUOTE=Piper1]Australia Sucks/CBGB, I think you're actually starting to believe your own charade about being an Australian. Here's a little reminder of who you are, to help you with your identity crisisI see he's on two strikes already in his new identity. I disagree with many of his inane and inaccurate opinions about Australia - he obviously doesn't get out much.[/QUOTE]That was someone else. I was born in the UK, that other fella was an American.
What do you not agree with?
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Obviously That Gay has never heard of Euro Disney. That Gay has probably never been out of the US. Six Fags? Please. We got go kart tracks (80 mph) here that make Six Fags look like a joke. We got places you can shoot machine guns and bazookas. Universal Studios is for jock sniffers. What a kunt.[/QUOTE]If Northern Americans ever go to the Rio Carnival they would see how lame all the crap the see in USA.
I was told the lines now are longer in places like Six flags because people are bigger/fatter nowdays. So they cannot put several people in one seat as it was designed 20 or something years ago.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Aussies do not make millions but earn a good living on average to live decent. ...The spread of wealth in America is very unfair, with an ultrarich upper class, struggling middle class, and a large underclass living in near third world poverty.[/QUOTE]
I agree with what you said about quality of life stuff, but your financial assessment is a bit iffy. We have multi-billionaire mining magnates and corporate CEOs, millions of struggling working class folks, and tens of thousands of people living in abject poverty (especially if you include rural/regional areas and Aboriginal communities).
Australia is a very egalitarian society and in an 'emotional' sense, there is a degree of equality between rich and poor. But in a financial sense, the divide is massive. There is also a huge disparity between male and female wages, and award wages in different states. Underemployment is also a major issue.
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I wonder how the male/female wage disparity compares with the US. I think the figure I heard there was that women make 73% of what men make. A few reasons besides prejudice can partially explain this.
1) Women tend to gravitate to "helping" professions and these often don't pay well; I know, since I am in a "helping" profession.
2) Career interruption to have kids. Of course now in the US there is the Family Medical and Leave Act and the man can take time off too. However, men are extremely poor at lactating and you can only take I think it is 12 weeks, and it's unpaid.
3) Flame me, shoot me, whatever, but women take more sick leave (at least in the US; 3/2 is the ratio I have heard) and employers don't like that.
I have not missed a day of work sick since 1993 and that day I was actually hung over and not sick, plus I didn't like that job and knew I would be quitting soon anyway. If I thought back to the last day I was actually to sick (injured, actually) to work we are talking 1989.
I once had an employee call in with what he referred to as "anal glaucoma"; he said he "just couldn't see his ass coming to work today." I also once had a job where if you were sick there was a number you had to call in the morning, I did this, and said I was ill, and was told I had to name an illness. I thought that was way stupid so I said I had Dutch Elm disease, and I never heard anything more about it.
However, as my trainer at the post office told me, "Never waste your sick leave when you aren't feeling well."
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I agree with what you said about quality of life stuff, but your financial assessment is a bit iffy. We have multi-billionaire mining magnates and corporate CEOs, millions of struggling working class folks, and tens of thousands of people living in abject poverty (especially if you include rural/regional areas and Aboriginal communities).
Australia is a very egalitarian society and in an 'emotional' sense, there is a degree of equality between rich and poor. But in a financial sense, the divide is massive. There is also a huge disparity between male and female wages, and award wages in different states. Underemployment is also a major issue.[/QUOTE]Australia is more unequal now than in the past, but the disparity in Australia is much less than in the US and definitely less than in Asia. Australia looks unequal compared to Western Europe though, particularly Germany and Scandinavian countries.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I wonder how the male/female wage disparity compares with the US. I think the figure I heard there was that women make 73% of what men make. A few reasons besides prejudice can partially explain this.
1) Women tend to gravitate to "helping" professions and these often don't pay well; I know, since I am in a "helping" profession.
2) Career interruption to have kids. Of course now in the US there is the Family Medical and Leave Act and the man can take time off too. However, men are extremely poor at lactating and you can only take I think it is 12 weeks, and it's unpaid.
3) Flame me, shoot me, whatever, but women take more sick leave (at least in the US; 3/2 is the ratio I have heard) and employers don't like that.[/QUOTE]
Nationally, women are paid 17% less than men. Western Australia is much worse than the other states, with women here earning 26% less.
I agree with all your reasons. 1) Pay rates in caring professions and other jobs traditionally seen as 'women's work' are a joke. 2) The career interruption to give birth - and often returning to part-time or casual work for subsequent years - does long-term damage to a woman's promotion potential. 3) I would suspect that a lot of those sick days are actually taken when the kids are sick, or for school activities, kids' sporting events, etc. Also, the pressure involved with being a working mother (working all day at work, then working all night at home) can take a massive toll on women's health.
But I think the main problem is often straight out sexism, with women just being passed over for jobs in favour of men. Women with children are seen as a liability, women with no children are seen as a potential liability.
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CBGB Connisur's identity crisis
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]That was someone else. I was born in the UK, that other fella was an American.[/QUOTE]
Which other guy?
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Well, I am an accountant by profession so I would certainly characterize children as a liability (future sacrifice of resources) on the balance sheet and an expense (current consumption of resources) on the income statement.
I can't see them being an asset, which implies a future benefit, and they don't seem to produce much revenue (net inflow of resources), generally. Hence they decrease equity. Also, they are messy and sticky and stinky.
Therefore I would characterize them as a loss. Losses differ from expenses in that losses result from peripheral or incidental activities not related to the entity's ongoing operations.
So every time you bust a nut inside a woman you create a possible 18-21 year liability, depending on the jurisdiction. From an accouting standpoint you would need to debit "Nut" and credit "Potential Future Kid."
Therefore I view my vasectomy as an asset, since it benefits me in many future accounting periods. It cost me $87.50 so I could amortize or allocate that over the entire future life of my dick, consistent with the "matching principle." Now from a pure accounting standpoint that would require that I estimate the future usefull life of my dick, as well as estimating the salvage or residual value of my dick, which I deem to be minimal, particularly looking at it right now.
However, my dick may very well rise again, in which case I would have a "hidden asset" on my balance sheet, similar to research and development costs. A hard dick is an asset.
Or is it a liability?
More importantly, what is the estimated future life of my dick? Not too much based on recent experience.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Well, I am an accountant by profession so I would certainly characterize children as a liability (future sacrifice of resources) on the balance sheet and an expense (current consumption of resources) on the income statement.
I can't see them being an asset, which implies a future benefit, and they don't seem to produce much revenue (net inflow of resources), generally. Hence they decrease equity. Also, they are messy and sticky and stinky.
Therefore I would characterize them as a loss. Losses differ from expenses in that losses result from peripheral or incidental activities not related to the entity's ongoing operations.
So every time you bust a nut inside a woman you create a possible 18-21 year liability, depending on the jurisdiction. From an accouting standpoint you would need to debit "Nut" and credit "Potential Future Kid."
Therefore I view my vasectomy as an asset, since it benefits me in many future accounting periods. It cost me $87.50 so I could amortize or allocate that over the entire future life of my dick, consistent with the "matching principle." Now from a pure accounting standpoint that would require that I estimate the future usefull life of my dick, as well as estimating the salvage or residual value of my dick, which I deem to be minimal, particularly looking at it right now.
However, my dick may very well rise again, in which case I would have a "hidden asset" on my balance sheet, similar to research and development costs. A hard dick is an asset.
Or is it a liability?
More importantly, what is the estimated future life of my dick? Not too much based on recent experience.[/QUOTE]
Keep posting dickhead! Haven't checked this thread for a couple of weeks and I see you are keeping the regular expert know alls to try and stick to the facts, thinking outside the square, giving us a laugh, and even lectures in accounting!
However a hard dick is definately a liability I think. Whenever I get a hard dick, I relieve the swelling with a hooker, which leads to expenses.
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Ha! You crack me up, DH. :)
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[QUOTE=Piper1]Which other guy?[/QUOTE]You have me mixed up, I am a British born Australian citizen. And I gladly say Australia is a great place much better than the USA, in fact most people I know say the same, also better overall than Europe in many ways. I use sucks in a different context. Having spent time in both Australia and the US, I had to just chime in and yes the vacation time you get in Australia is much much better than the USA, I also have better working conditions in my job as well. I worked in the US for a decade and often went for years without a holiday. I take at least two a year as an Australian, this year I was cheap and took only one four week holiday to Europe. Its fact that Australia is a more laid back and relaxed pace of life than North America, nothing inane or inaccurate about that at all mate.
About the immigration to Oz, thing I remember when I went to get my physical taken, there were a bunch of people in the office, which was when I was in the US, who were applying for Australian PR, almost all of them were doing so because they could not get permanent status in the US, this a while back though, things may have changed.
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Funny stuff you wrote DH!:D
Here's something funny yet sad on another site about what some American men are turning gay because of American women:
"How many men are there in America whose failure with women made them “realize” they were a homosexual? Thousands, I’d estimate. These are guys too disillusioned with the American female to put the game work needed to penetrate their holes. Guys who concluded that these girls are not worth the effort, and that they rather get banged in the butt than deal with them or figure them out. I have a feeling these gay boys had gay tendencies before their conversion, but how many guys in Brazil converted to homosexuality because they couldn’t get laid? Colombia? Russia? Italy? Significantly less, I imagine.
How many other guys have given up on dating and rely solely on prostitutes? And how many others put their cock in a lockbox until they can fly away to bang foreign pussy? These guys are withdrawing themselves from the dating market, making it even harder for the educated middle-class American woman to find a partner with the same socioeconomic background as her own. The problem that only exists for African-American women (finding a long-term mate within their race), will now become one for white women as well.
I know some American girls are cool, sexy, and attractive, but that small percentage is shrinking to where living in a city of a million people is no guarantee you’ll find one. If you have then great job, but most guys are not as lucky, something that seems to be a growing factor these days. As a whole, American women are deficient in so many areas that men are choosing homosexuality instead. I wonder what this means for the future of the white American race. "
Is it really THAT bad in the land of the free and brave? Damnnnn!!!! Can our American friends in here comment about that?
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Male-bashing in USA Commercial Ads
"We are living in the country where men are totally disrespected"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMfFzF4SS8[/url]
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]Here's something funny yet sad on another site about what some American men are turning gay because of American women:
"How many men are there in America whose failure with women made them “realize” they were a homosexual? Thousands, I’d estimate. These are guys too disillusioned with the American female to put the game work needed to penetrate their holes. Guys who concluded that these girls are not worth the effort, and that they rather get banged in the butt than deal with them or figure them out. I have a feeling these gay boys had gay tendencies before their conversion, but how many guys in Brazil converted to homosexuality because they couldn’t get laid? Colombia? Russia? Italy? Significantly less, I imagine.
How many other guys have given up on dating and rely solely on prostitutes? And how many others put their cock in a lockbox until they can fly away to bang foreign pussy? These guys are withdrawing themselves from the dating market, making it even harder for the educated middle-class American woman to find a partner with the same socioeconomic background as her own. The problem that only exists for African-American women (finding a long-term mate within their race), will now become one for white women as well.
I know some American girls are cool, sexy, and attractive, but that small percentage is shrinking to where living in a city of a million people is no guarantee you’ll find one. If you have then great job, but most guys are not as lucky, something that seems to be a growing factor these days. As a whole, American women are deficient in so many areas that men are choosing homosexuality instead. I wonder what this means for the future of the white American race. "
Is it really THAT bad in the land of the free and brave? Damnnnn!!!! Can our American friends in here comment about that?[/QUOTE]Sprite, first of all this is not funny at all:)
I have no idea how many people are turning "gay", although I have read a story when two friends got tired of hoping to meet girls at parties, and after another party decided to fuck each other and actually liked it. Then there is another guy from FSU who used to date women, but later after being in USA for a while, switched to men.
There is also another phenomena, it turns out there are many middle aged virgin men in USA:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1047108&postcount=4055[/url]
Some of them are so messed up that they get treatment by so-called "surrogate partners" who claim they are not prostitutes. But they charge normally $10,000 and may or may not provide sex after several months of "therapy". Incredibly ridiculous sick stuff.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]"How many men are there in America... (who) have given up on dating and rely solely on prostitutes? And how many others put their cock in a lockbox until they can fly away to bang foreign pussy? These guys are withdrawing themselves from the dating market ... I wonder what this means for the future of the white American race."[/QUOTE]
I gave up on "Love American Style" during the Reagan years. Part of it was working in the Federal government, and an agency where white males were indeed targets of discrimination; part of it was that I'd bought a house and took my widowed mother in to live with me, and what woman would put up with that? And when Mom passed away, I was awfully conscious of being too old for any woman that lit a spark in me.
"Dickhardinho" languished in his lockbox, with frequent connubial visits by Miss Rosy Palm, untill a visit to Paraguay in 2004 brought him back to "the sweetness he'd been crying for" (as Steely Dan put it). The DR, though, is a lot closer, and I have acquired a taste for "Brown Sugar" and Brugal rum....
I didn't, and I don't, see any interest in my future from any of the eligible ladies in my neighborhood, or in my city. Why should I worry about theirs? They have their houses, their cars, their good jobs, their 401Ks if they're smart, and they've assured me time and again that they can take care of themselves. Let them pleasure themselves with their dildos.
As for the future of the "white American race," my next-door neighbors, immigrants from Cameroon, married off their daughter last week to a fellow who looks Irish. She's a lovely girl and I hope they'll be happy together.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Nationally, women are paid 17% less than men. Western Australia is much worse than the other states, with women here earning 26% less.
I agree with all your reasons. 1) Pay rates in caring professions and other jobs traditionally seen as 'women's work' are a joke. 2) The career interruption to give birth - and often returning to part-time or casual work for subsequent years - does long-term damage to a woman's promotion potential. 3) I would suspect that a lot of those sick days are actually taken when the kids are sick, or for school activities, kids' sporting events, etc. Also, the pressure involved with being a working mother (working all day at work, then working all night at home) can take a massive toll on women's health.
But I think the main problem is often straight out sexism, with women just being passed over for jobs in favour of men. Women with children are seen as a liability, women with no children are seen as a potential liability.[/QUOTE]I can tell you for a fact that most of the single mums near where I live are all on the dole, get everything from the government. The Australian government is paying women to get pregnant and then paying for all that it entails. In the US single mothers have it much harder. That being said Australia has much better social welfare than the US. Our health care system is far superior. I can tell you the numerous times dealing with US insurance companies was hell. The bottom line is that Australia is a much better country for ordinary people than the US or even Canada.
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It's pretty bad here, Sprite, for dating AWs. I'm American, 54, reasonably good looking and in good health, good job (business professor), own a home and am a fun guy to be around. Geez I even play rock music on my guitar and sing at open mikes.
Women in their 20s accuse me of being a pervert if I ask them out ("hey, you're old enough to be my dad" -- as if that were a bad thing). Women in their 30s are generally cougars looking to hang on to their youth so they like to fuck younger guys just like we like to fuck younger girls. The ones that do date older guys only do it because they have kids (see "liabilities" in the accountant's humorous post below) and are looking for instant daddies' money.
Women in the 40s and 50s: forget it. They all have fat asses and big mouths that are not used properly (as receptacles for our cocks). Plus they have more baggage than United Airlines.
So it is no wonder that some confused men have turned gay. I personally don't like gays and think it's wrong and sick but I can see how and why a dude would start wanting another dude because the dudettes are unavailable and unbelievably cold, vicious cunts. I'm sure there are some exceptions in the small towns but city girls? Forget it!
So, I don't even bother LOOKING to go out out on dates with AWs any more. It's just a waste of time and money. If you do go out and get laid in America with a non-pro it's likely to be an emotional nightmare to put up with all their bullshit, baggage and selfishness. So now when I see a luscious 20-something with big gazongas here in California I instantly daydream about her foreign equivalent waiting for me on the other side of the planet!
I go to TJ almost every month for a nice long BJ from one of those sexy little latinas. Annually or twice a year I go to Asia, particularly Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand or Cambodia where the pussy is tight and they will fuck your brains out, then give you long massages and then blow you again for a fraction of the cost of a date with a fat-assed, blithering American *****.
I hear central and south america is also good for mongering so I'm going to Curacao for the first time next March (business trip) to check out the "Happy Camp" there. Supposed to have a lot of Colombian cuties with big knockers like I like. Brazil is amazing, too, for beautiful, available pros and non-pros.
Thousands of guys like me are fed up with AWs. Perhaps hundreds of thousands. Maybe it's in the millions now. Thank God I never married one of them; and I have the type of job that allows me to travel so I'm not stuck in the rut like all (ALL, not most, ALL) of my married buddies are. Hell, they LIVE vicariously through me and my worldly sexual episodes.
When I settle down it will be in P.I. with an educated, big-boobed spinner beauty one-third my age. Ya, ya I know full well I marry her whole family but believe me those little brown moocher relatives will all be doing work for me if they want some of my hard-earned money. Nothing is free.
And I will be living out my golden years in luxury there with a trophy wife and laughing out loud at all the poor dumb bastards in the U.S. that are stuck here.
[QUOTE=Sprite13]Funny stuff you wrote DH!
Here's something funny yet sad on another site about what some American men are turning gay because of American women:
"How many men are there in America whose failure with women made them “realize” they were a homosexual? Thousands, I’d estimate. These are guys too disillusioned with the American female to put the game work needed to penetrate their holes. Guys who concluded that these girls are not worth the effort, and that they rather get banged in the butt than deal with them or figure them out. I have a feeling these gay boys had gay tendencies before their conversion, but how many guys in Brazil converted to homosexuality because they couldn’t get laid? Colombia? Russia? Italy? Significantly less, I imagine.
How many other guys have given up on dating and rely solely on prostitutes? And how many others put their cock in a lockbox until they can fly away to bang foreign pussy? These guys are withdrawing themselves from the dating market, making it even harder for the educated middle-class American woman to find a partner with the same socioeconomic background as her own. The problem that only exists for African-American women (finding a long-term mate within their race), will now become one for white women as well.
I know some American girls are cool, sexy, and attractive, but that small percentage is shrinking to where living in a city of a million people is no guarantee you’ll find one. If you have then great job, but most guys are not as lucky, something that seems to be a growing factor these days. As a whole, American women are deficient in so many areas that men are choosing homosexuality instead. I wonder what this means for the future of the white American race. "
Is it really THAT bad in the land of the free and brave? Damnnnn!!!! Can our American friends in here comment about that?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]
"How many men are there in America whose failure with women made them “realize” they were a homosexual? Thousands, I’d estimate."[/QUOTE]
Zero would be my estimate there.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I can tell you for a fact that most of the single mums near where I live are all on the dole, get everything from the government. The Australian government is paying women to get pregnant and then paying for all that it entails. [/QUOTE]
And so she "doesn't need" a man, right? In fact the State support might dry up if she DID get serious about a man. I am reminded of an article I saw on an Irish website (no URL, Jackson) - titled "Brides Of The State". It detailed how the Irish government subsidized women in raising their out-of-wedlock children; as the article put it, "the state is able, through the so-called 'One- Parent Family Payment' scheme, to offer young women a disposable income that 99% of young men can not compete with."
I don't begrudge this support to unmarried mothers; my mom raised me by herself, and life wasn't easy for either of us. But I can't turn a blind eye to the unintended consequences of the "One-Parent Family Payment" dole: the unmarried mother won't risk her payments by looking for a "new Daddy" for her kids - and [i]her children[/i] will be less likely to see "Daddy" and marriage as necessary, when they're ready to raise (or sire) [i]their[/i] broods.
The unintended consequences of my childhood? I never got married; I never sired any children. And I won't.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]...most of the single mums near where I live are all on the dole, get everything from the government. The Australian government is paying women to get pregnant and then paying for all that it entails.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Westy]...to offer young women a disposable income that 99% of young men can not compete with. ....the unmarried mother won't risk her payments by looking for a "new Daddy" for her kids...[/QUOTE]
Australiasucks: Just because the media says something, doesn't make it so. This isn't the place for me to go into Oz welfare statistics, but suffice to say that if welfare really provided such a comfortable lifestyle, and the Government really 'paid for all it entails', I (and thousands of other Australian single mothers) would not have turned to the sex industry to survive.
Westy: I can't speak to the Irish model, but Australian sole parent benefits (including annual rebates and allowances) total one third of the average Australian male wage. I can assure you that my life would have been much, MUCH easier if I had introduced a 'Daddy' to support me and my kids. In fact, changes were made to our welfare policy in 2006, to actively ENCOURAGE single mothers to get married.
Dating as a single mother is incredibly complex. There are hundreds of reasons why I chose not to get re-married and the risk of losing my benefits was not one of them! I can tell you what one of the biggest factors was: I had two children and did not want to have any more. The men I met either hadn't had children yet (and it would be horribly selfish to expect them to support mine, but not give them their own), or they had kids from a previous marriage (which leads to multiple step-parent issues, child support obligations, potential favouritism, fights with the ex, etc).
As a sex worker, I was in a perfect position to receive offers of marriage and/or support from wealthy men. I knocked them all back, because I would have been agreeing out of financial necessity, not love. People can criticise me all they like for being a dole-bludger, but I would much rather be a dole-bludger than a free-loader or gold-digger.
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Bludging is okay but all this rorting has got to stop.
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[QUOTE=Westy]And so she "doesn't need" a man, right? In fact the State support might dry up if she DID get serious about a man. I am reminded of an article I saw on an Irish website (no URL, Jackson) - titled "Brides Of The State". It detailed how the Irish government subsidized women in raising their out-of-wedlock children; as the article put it, "the state is able, through the so-called 'One- Parent Family Payment' scheme, to offer young women a disposable income that 99% of young men can not compete with."
I don't begrudge this support to unmarried mothers; my mom raised me by herself, and life wasn't easy for either of us. But I can't turn a blind eye to the unintended consequences of the "One-Parent Family Payment" dole: the unmarried mother won't risk her payments by looking for a "new Daddy" for her kids - and [i]her children[/i] will be less likely to see "Daddy" and marriage as necessary, when they're ready to raise (or sire) [i]their[/i] broods.
The unintended consequences of my childhood? I never got married; I never sired any children. And I won't.[/QUOTE]A few of the single mums that I know live in a nice comfortable 4 Bedroom home in the suburbs, has a 4x4, takes her kids to Maccas or Dominos for dinner on Fridays. I know one who is even renting a room in her house to some international students, all under the table. Compared to what I have seen in the US, Australians on average have it very good. We live in a country that is geographically isolated, blessed with rich natural resources, a stable democratic government, no enemies, a tolerant multicultural society that accepts everyone, it does not get better than Australia. Australians by and large have no right to whine.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Bludging is okay but all this rorting has got to stop.[/QUOTE]
If I could find a way to rort the system, I would have done it by now. :)
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Just want to say that all the frustration I expressed in my post of about a month ago is gone. I am no longer mad at American women, and at the girls ignoring me on FB, etc. I guess six days of banging 8 girls, and great times with 3 of them, will do that.
Now the only problem is that I can't stop thinking about the girls, one in particular who is pretty close to my idea of a 10. I know one of the commandments of mongering is "Don't fall in love" lol
Man I can't wait to go back to Prague in October.
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Irish "Brides Of The State"
RN, believe me, I do understand how complex dating is for single mothers - from the complexities my Mom faced with dating, when I was a kid. Mom's life and mine would probably have been a lot easier and more comfortable if she'd found someone ... I say "probably" because I'm aware that the issues you cited could have made my life and hers quite UNcomfortable, in time.
The article I cited, "Brides Of The State," was first published by the "Inside Cork" newspaper, in 2004. It basically showed how the Irish government, out of compassion, was making it much less attractive for a single mother to look for "a new Daddy for the kids", first by giving her enough support to make sure that her little ones would lack for naught - then by tying that support to her "virtue," as one might say: "If the mother should meet a man who might have the potential to foot the bill for her, this is where the state gets really nasty. It says that if she is even seen with a man about the house she will lose all her benefits!"
To match "the dole," in the article's example, a young Irish man would have to be pulling in something on the order of €1250 a week, before taxes of about 35% for that income bracket. Roughly twice the average, as the article stated. Or, as Tony Soprano might say, "Fuggetaboutit."
So that young Irish man is shut out of family life ... and the single mother's children see "single mommy/no daddy" as normal....
(The article resides on the website of the National Men's Council of Ireland. In deference to the rules of this board, I include no URL.)
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Just want to say that all the frustration I expressed in my post of about a month ago is gone. I am no longer mad at American women, and at the girls ignoring me on FB, etc. I guess six days of banging 8 girls, and great times with 3 of them, will do that.
Now the only problem is that I can't stop thinking about the girls, one in particular who is pretty close to my idea of a 10. I know one of the commandments of mongering is "Don't fall in love" lol
Man I can't wait to go back to Prague in October.[/QUOTE]
A few trips to a FKK and a freebie in Ukraine and I was good for a year or two...
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[QUOTE=Westy]RN, believe me, I do understand how complex dating is for single mothers - from the complexities my Mom faced with dating, when I was a kid. Mom's life and mine would probably have been a lot easier and more comfortable if she'd found someone ... I say "probably" because I'm aware that the issues you cited could have made my life and hers quite UNcomfortable, in time.
The article I cited, "Brides Of The State," was first published by the "Inside Cork" newspaper, in 2004. It basically showed how the Irish government, out of compassion, was making it much less attractive for a single mother to look for "a new Daddy for the kids", first by giving her enough support to make sure that her little ones would lack for naught - then by tying that support to her "virtue," as one might say: "If the mother should meet a man who might have the potential to foot the bill for her, this is where the state gets really nasty. It says that if she is even seen with a man about the house she will lose all her benefits!"
To match "the dole," in the article's example, a young Irish man would have to be pulling in something on the order of €1250 a week, before taxes of about 35% for that income bracket. Roughly twice the average, as the article stated. Or, as Tony Soprano might say, "Fuggetaboutit."
So that young Irish man is shut out of family life ... and the single mother's children see "single mommy/no daddy" as normal....
(The article resides on the website of the National Men's Council of Ireland. In deference to the rules of this board, I include no URL.)[/QUOTE]
This is one of the unintended consequences of social-democracy. I read the story as well and found it interesting that suicide rates for younger men (under 30) are quite high but they sight as one of the reasons is men can't compete with the State. I believe it largely goes deeper than that, the Government gives so much money to these women (school clothing allowance, car allowance, subsidized rent/mortgage, etc), that why risk getting involved when the State is also monitoring you? A man seen "about the house" could be a 6 month relationship. Things could be much different in another 6 months but then the State cuts you off.
The fact is and I think this is the same no matter what country your from of the G8/G20.
Its likely the State is willing to look after you if your Single Mother. As most do not finish Secondary education (High School or College) and don't really encourage continuing school. Meaning those that do follow-through and get their education, think they are something special for an out of the normal achievement.
I also agree with Westy that the vast majority younger, attractive women that have children are the only ones willing to consider slightly older men (10 years older), for obvious reasons both emotionally and fiscally.
I have run into what Rubber Nursery is talking about, women in their mid to late 30's with children unwilling to have more.
These are serious social problems in Western Culture.
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[QUOTE=Westy]... tying that support to her "virtue,"... if she is even seen with a man about the house she will lose all her benefits!".[/QUOTE]
In Oz, you can lose your benefits if a man "regularly stays at your house for two or more nights a week". When you have children, you usually 'entertain' in your own home, so this stupid rule makes it difficult for single mums to sustain an on-going sexual relationship. Then, if the relationship manages to stay under the radar and survive that first phase, the normal progression to "let's move in together" suddenly becomes "let's move in together and you can become instantly responsible for the financial support of me and my two children".
I firmly believe in welfare for sole parents, because the alternative (mothers working three jobs, kids having no supervision, marriages of convenience, etc) is detrimental to children and, ultimately, to society. But welfare laws need to properly reflect the realities of dating and the complexities of step-parent/blended families, because the current structure just makes it impossible for people to move on with their lives and find love.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]A few of the single mums that I know live in a nice comfortable 4 Bedroom home in the suburbs, has a 4x4, takes her kids to Maccas or Dominos for dinner on Fridays.[/QUOTE]
I'm a single parent and I live in a four bedroom home and drive a 4x4, but the Government didn't pay for it. Not all single parents are on welfare and/or were ALWAYS on welfare. I've found myself relying on the pension off and on over the past 17 years, but I worked (and lost my benefits) for the majority of that time. I've had people walk into my home and accuse me of 'rorting the system' or that old chestnut, "Wow, you did well out of the divorce". Nothing in my home came from my divorce (as most people here know, my marriage left me in massive debt and I don't even get child support) and there's no possible way I could have paid for all this with the pension. I did it the same way as everyone else - I worked my arse off for it.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]As most do not finish Secondary education (High School or College) and don't really encourage continuing school.[/QUOTE]
Just wanted to point out that there's a big difference between a single mother and a teenage mother. The stereotype of a 'single mother' is a highschool dropout who pops out kids while single, but in my country (I realise other countries vary greatly) that stereotype only applies to about 2% of single mums. Around 60% were married or living defacto when they had their children, which suggests a much higher age bracket.
I was a teenage mother who didn't finish high school. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't believe that makes too much difference in the dating scene. I faced all the same problems as an older divorced mother in employment, finances and romance. I certainly don't think I'm 'special' because I continued my education later in life. In fact, my lack of education is a constant source of embarrassment for me.
[QUOTE=DJFourMoney]...the vast majority younger, attractive women that have children are the only ones willing to consider slightly older men, for obvious reasons both emotionally and fiscally. I have run into what Rubber Nursery is talking about, women in their mid to late 30's with children unwilling to have more.[/QUOTE]
For the record, I'm in my mid-thirties now, but I was 23 when I got divorced. I briefly considered having a baby with my (childless) partner when I was about 27/28, but decided against it. We split up shortly after, so that was probably a good thing! I've generally dated men quite a lot older than me, so age was never an issue. The issues with blended families, step-parenting, etc were a much more important deciding factor.
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My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Just want to say that all the frustration I expressed in my post of about a month ago is gone. I am no longer mad at American women, and at the girls ignoring me on FB, etc....
...Man I can't wait to go back to Prague in October.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]A few trips to a FKK and a freebie in Ukraine and I was good for a year or two...[/QUOTE]This is all great, but this is not a long term solution. Unless you plan to live long term in Europe, SA, etc. long term, this kinda life style unfortunately still seems pretty miserable. When you live there long term and have access to good pussy any time any day, it is a very different level of life style. In USA I could afford to have at most one GF and meet her maybe 1 time a week, since everybody is so busy with their shit. In FSU I had problem picking which girl to meet almost everyday. At least it is a good problem to have, very different from the problems you get in USA.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D[/QUOTE]Ola Companheiro. "resident expert"? Very funny. How come you're still wasting your valuable time in Canada instead of Brazil? I guess you prefer staring at elks and maple crap better than partying with garotas brazileras? I thought you were much cooler than this, dude.
In my opinion, in general foreign women are better than AW, but up to a point. Few are better, some are ok, and many not so good, or even worse. foreign women in USA are different than women are back in their countries.
USA is some kinda filter, often it attracts(filters) the worst women. Normal women do not need to leave their country, they feel comfortable at home with their friends, relatives, men, culture. They prefer to stay at home and be happy with what they have instead of leaving everything for some kinda American Dream.
But other women who are more into money and some special goal oriented are trying to get to the USA by any means.
Therefore you get this special type of foreign women plus the USA environment makes then even worse. When they get here, sometimes they behave really nasty. Some "destroy" everything on their way in order to reach something. Once they are in USA they think they are beautiful and everybody owes them everything.
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It depends on many factors. The woman I'm crazy for these days is here from Japan, late 30's, very traditional Japanese in most ways, from a traditional family, educated, comfortable middle class. I'd be shocked were she to change all that much and become Americanized with that background and at her age. She things I dislike about AW she finds offensive and repellent too.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D[/QUOTE]
Two words for you on that, Sprite: OPRAH WINFREY.
What I mean is that the American culture that [i]makes[/i] love-and-romance such a minefield for the American man is pervasive, very well publicized, and well-nigh inescapable. I'm afraid it's not going to take "Miss Green-Card" long at all to imbibe those opinions, attitudes, and cultural norms.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I firmly believe in welfare for sole parents, because the alternative (mothers working three jobs, kids having no supervision, marriages of convenience, etc) is detrimental to children and, ultimately, to society. [/QUOTE]
This is a poverty issue, not a single parent issue. There's a positive correlation between being a single parent and being poor, but which came first, the chicken or the egg? School-age motherhood was a research issue of mine way back when, and I wrote quite the term paper about it. The poverty is the chicken and the single parenthood is the egg, and not the other way around, I became convinced by my empirical research. The anecdotal research (I interviewed 30 school-aged mothers as part of the project) tended to support that as well, although you would have selection bias because the 30 were all from the same geographic area.
So it's important to realize that if the single parent has education and training, and thus one good job instead of three shitty ones, a lot of the other stuff goes out the window. In the long run, the money directed at "aid to families with dependent children" or whatever you want to call it, might be better spend on education, training, and job creation.
But in the long run everybody's dead, of course.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Ola Companheiro. "resident expert"? Very funny. How come you're still wasting your valuable time in Canada instead of Brazil? I guess you prefer staring at elks and maple crap better than partying with garotas brazileras? I thought you were much cooler than this, dude.
In my opinion, in general foreign women are better than AW, but up to a point. Few are better, some are ok, and many not so good, or even worse. foreign women in USA are different than women are back in their countries.
USA is some kinda filter, often it attracts(filters) the worst women. Normal women do not need to leave their country, they feel comfortable at home with their friends, relatives, men, culture. They prefer to stay at home and be happy with what they have instead of leaving everything for some kinda American Dream.
But other women who are more into money and some special goal oriented are trying to get to the USA by any means.
Therefore you get this special type of foreign women plus the USA environment makes then even worse. When they get here, sometimes they behave really nasty. Some "destroy" everything on their way in order to reach something. Once they are in USA they think they are beautiful and everybody owes them everything.[/QUOTE]
I know what Mr. Fung is talking about. Some foreign women have this idea that in order to reach the American dream the have to emulate all things American and would rather give up their own culture and who they once were to "have it all". Still it is very hard to not become Americanized while you live in the US.
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Better to be a single mom in Canada
The rules here are so skewed that in many cases, in it far better to be a single mom in Canada then to be in a steady relationship. I cannot speak to other countries but here, a single mom with two kids receives benefits that would require a pre-tax income greater than $40k should she have to work for it. There are many other quirks in the tax system that create such a perverse incentive to remain single that a book was written several years ago called "13 reasons why Revenue Canada (our IRS), wants you to be married", listing some of the many benefits lost when in a relationship.
Yes, at some point single mothers should get some support from the state, but where does support end and incentive begin?
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I'm a single parent and I live in a four bedroom home and drive a 4x4, but the Government didn't pay for it. Not all single parents are on welfare and/or were ALWAYS on welfare. I've found myself relying on the pension off and on over the past 17 years, but I worked (and lost my benefits) for the majority of that time. I've had people walk into my home and accuse me of 'rorting the system' or that old chestnut, "Wow, you did well out of the divorce". Nothing in my home came from my divorce (as most people here know, my marriage left me in massive debt and I don't even get child support) and there's no possible way I could have paid for all this with the pension. I did it the same way as everyone else - I worked my arse off for it.[/QUOTE]
The "Welfare Queen" is largely a fabrication of fiscal Conservatives and Neo-Liberals (Clinton, Obama) that shiftless, lazy (mostly minorities) are stealing Middle Class tax payers money, when that wasn't really the case and now we have Welfare To Work which largely leaves many women in a Poverty Stricken situation.
The problem of course is Corporate and Wealthy People Welfare, keep taxes low, where they mostly avoid paying them and then even when they do pay the Regan and Bush tax cuts mean that Capital Gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income taxes. In other words the Tax Code helps the Rich stay rich even when they don't need any help.
Can I Leave Now?
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Just wanted to point out that there's a big difference between a single mother and a teenage mother. The stereotype of a 'single mother' is a highschool dropout who pops out kids while single, but in my country (I realise other countries vary greatly) that stereotype only applies to about 2% of single mums. Around 60% were married or living defacto when they had their children, which suggests a much higher age bracket.[/QUOTE]
I know Social Systems are different and I'm sure you have your own Conservative Pundits that spit nonsense like this all time.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]
I was a teenage mother who didn't finish high school. Maybe I'm biased, but I don't believe that makes too much difference in the dating scene. I faced all the same problems as an older divorced mother in employment, finances and romance. I certainly don't think I'm 'special' because I continued my education later in life. In fact, my lack of education is a constant source of embarrassment for me.
For the record, I'm in my mid-thirties now, but I was 23 when I got divorced. I briefly considered having a baby with my (childless) partner when I was about 27/28, but decided against it. We split up shortly after, so that was probably a good thing! I've generally dated men quite a lot older than me, so age was never an issue. The issues with blended families, step-parenting, etc were a much more important deciding factor.[/QUOTE]
I personally don't wanna deal with blended family issues or step-parenting. Having experienced it somewhat indirectly I don't like it. It might sound selfish but I want my own children and I shouldn't be made to sound selfish (which American Single Mothers often do). Yes it cuts down on my potential dating prospects especially at my age and AW aversion to large age disparities (more than 8 years). My lack of proper education likely hinders more than my employment prospects as well, though I don't feel under-educated.
I feel you RN, man its tough when it really shouldn't be so hard.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13]My fellow American friends,
So if the AW are a no go, how about the foreign women in the US? Are they also that bad attitude wise than their American sisters? I mean it might be bad, but surely not as bad as I'm hearing from all the Americans and others who live in the Yew Ess? Perhaps our resident expert Goga Fung can comment on this, hey amigo? :D[/QUOTE]
To tell you the truth, they can be as bad, but most are not nearly as bad as the natively born women.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]This is all great, but this is not a long term solution. Unless you plan to live long term in Europe, SA, etc. long term, this kinda life style unfortunately still seems pretty miserable. When you live there long term and have access to good pussy any time any day, it is a very different level of life style. In USA I could afford to have at most one GF and meet her maybe 1 time a week, since everybody is so busy with their shit. In FSU I had problem picking which girl to meet almost everyday. At least it is a good problem to have, very different from the problems you get in USA.[/QUOTE]
Well Europeans and South Americans usually have much more time off and shorter work weeks. So I don't think its unusual at all to have a few girls free on a typical weeknight or weekend. Students aren't working at all in most cases so they have mucho free time unless they are studying for an important exam or something.
I am considering doing some IT training and taking my certifications and then take a internship or job in Denmark since that's one of careers on the "Positive List". I find it interesting most of these countries don't have enough highly skilled people in the workforce and have to consider foreigners. I saw on DW-TV (German English TV) that Germany needs 150,000 Engineers over the next 10 years alone and don't have enough people to fill those positions now.
I just have to do something and soon, I don't want to work more hours like you typically do here and I want more time off, something you don't get here unless you're in a position to call your own shots.
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DJ you don't get it
The welfare queen is an exaggeration, but there is some truth to welfare supporting generations of people that become dependent on the system.
but what really surprised was your comments on finance and taxes. You and Obama just don't get it. Business people, and not all of them are rich, just will not risk capital unless the return warrants the risk. With higher taxes and fees, along with healthcare cost business people will not hire. And we see this in our economy.
You of all people try to to get the most "bang" for your buck and go to places where your dollar will go further, this is your brain's decision to maximize the value of your dollar and not waste in on american women. Business people are no different, all its about generating the best return on your money.
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Warning Warning Danger Danger..
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I am considering doing some IT training and taking my certifications and then take a internship or job in Denmark since that's one of careers on the "Positive List". I find it interesting most of these countries don't have enough highly skilled people in the workforce and have to consider foreigners. I saw on DW-TV (German English TV) that Germany needs 150,000 Engineers over the next 10 years alone and don't have enough people to fill those positions now.
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Careful there DJ, that statement is code for "we don't want to pay for local engineers/ IT people as they are too expensive, so we need to find a way to justify importing 1000's of such people from India/China who we can pay the absolute minimum to".
Where I am, there are many highly experienced, but over 40 IT people who can't get a look in. But the young, dumb, *cheaper* guy gets the job.
In other professions, unless you are formal business level fluent in the local language, you're screwed too.
You could always start your own business...
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Bring Back the Dowry
My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course!
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[QUOTE=Furysys]The rules here are so skewed that in many cases, in it far better to be a single mom in Canada then to be in a steady relationship. I cannot speak to other countries but here, a single mom with two kids receives benefits that would require a pre-tax income greater than $40k should she have to work for it. There are many other quirks in the tax system that create such a perverse incentive to remain single that a book was written several years ago called "13 reasons why Revenue Canada (our IRS), wants you to be married", listing some of the many benefits lost when in a relationship.
Yes, at some point single mothers should get some support from the state, but where does support end and incentive begin?[/QUOTE]In most Western nations its like this, America does not have the kind of welfare system in Europe but the courts do their job of making sure a single American mom gets her money. Most local Aussie women know they do not need a man to eat, that is why they behave the way they do, sure they are easier than AWs but they know they do not need you to have a roof over their head etc.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!![/QUOTE]Ok, lets assume she agrees to provide DOWRY. But what normal man would agree to give up his freedom for some stupid biyotch and her money? No way. One time I was introduced to a girl who was considered a very "lucrative" bride, her parents were working for famous accounting companies she had a good job too. In her country it was considered extremely cool and desirable. But she was not my type at all. I would prefer twice lighter and simpler girl even though she were without the DOWRY.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I personally don't wanna deal with blended family issues or step-parenting. ...It might sound selfish but I want my own children and I shouldn't be made to sound selfish.[/QUOTE]
No, you shouldn't. This is one aspect of your life where you definitely have a right, maybe even an obligation, to be selfish. It's the same for me with not wanting any more children of my own, and not wanting to take on someone else's younger children. I don't care if people think I'm selfish...it's a sacrifice I'm just not willing to make and if I *did*, it would make everyone miserable in the long run, especially the children. I wish you the very best of luck in your search, DJ. :)
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]This is a poverty issue, not a single parent issue. There's a positive correlation between being a single parent and being poor, but which came first, the chicken or the egg?[/QUOTE]
I really want to comment on this, but it's only a matter of time before the 'You're off-topic again, beeotch!' flaming begins. :) I'm gonna respond to this (and the post from Furysys) in the American Politics thread.
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Dowry?
Sorry, DC, and I truly don't want to argue, but from my persepective I see a fatal flaw in your proposal. It might not be fatal or even a flaw for you, though.
The American women I see, who I'd consider "eligible", consider themselves as The Ultimate Prize. They start out with no interest aaaa-tallll in the likes of me, though they might have their girlish crushes on some entertainer. They figure that it's their face and figure that should prompt others to open their bank vaults - not the other way around.
You may say that I'm setting my sights too high, and you're apt to be right. But here's the converse - girls as lovely and desirable are very much more available off of America's shores; else ISG would have no reason for being.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Agreed, GF. I was making the assumption that all the physical qualities were present and she is attractive/desirable/etc. For me, she's got to have pretty face, small waist and big tits or I lose interest real fast (.) (.)[/QUOTE]Ok, then maybe yes. But in that case she should be even better than what it is supposed to be. DOWRY would be in a way a disadvantage, like she is buying me. I do not want to hear after 20 years that she provided this and that. Of course there are types of guys who would like that. Have you seen that article about men marrying women who earn more, and those "men" do anything those women want, such as lick their pussies, etc. Just because the women provide for them. The simply lost their gender. Disgusting. I lost the link to the article.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course![/QUOTE]Such a system will not happen in 21st Century America nor in any other Western nation. Marriage is pretty much not worth it, not just in the US, but its pretty much the same in Australia and other Western countries. Approximately 40 percent of the couples I see in Sydney tend to be a white male asian female and usually one who came from overseas, do you know why? They just do not want to put up with the bullshit of a local girl, also a local girl really does not need them as I explained in my previous posts. Its better in this case to remain single and go on punting but if you live in America this is difficult to do, America is a sex prison, oh Piper I know what I am talking about. In Sydney if I am horny I can walk into a brothel and get sex without any fuss, pay and then fuck. In the US, if you are horny your option is go the usual route of kissing some woman's ass for a while until she will fuck you or either go the illegal route of soliciting prostitutes there and that could wind up bad, you could get arrested, get ripped off, get your ass kicked by her pimp. Frankly speaking the Aussie system is better.
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Yes, I see your point, Westy. The more they have the more they want. One of my ex-girlfriends was married twice before I met her and twice after. Even though she is built like a brick shithouse, gave good head, good looking, etc., AND has subsequently entered the seven-figure bracket with her own business, she has also become quite the needy and demanding type.
[QUOTE=Westy]Sorry, DC, and I truly don't want to argue, but from my persepective I see a fatal flaw in your proposal. It might not be fatal or even a flaw for you, though.
The American women I see, who I'd consider "eligible", consider themselves as The Ultimate Prize. They start out with no interest aaaa-tallll in the likes of me, though they might have their girlish crushes on some entertainer. They figure that it's their face and figure that should prompt others to open their bank vaults - not the other way around.
You may say that I'm setting my sights too high, and you're apt to be right. But here's the converse - girls as lovely and desirable are very much more available off of America's shores; else ISG would have no reason for being.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Yes, Man from Oz. Looks like we commiserate together... all the more reason to co-monger! :) I'd rather be in Oz than US; but rather be in PI than just about anywhere! Now if I can only find a busty Pinay! It looks like I will be paying for her boob job there.
QUOTE=Australiasucks]Such a system will not happen in 21st Century America nor in any other Western nation. Marriage is pretty much not worth it, not just in the US, but its pretty much the same in Australia and other Western countries. Approximately 40 percent of the couples I see in Sydney tend to be a white male asian female and usually one who came from overseas, do you know why? They just do not want to put up with the bullshit of a local girl, also a local girl really does not need them as I explained in my previous posts. Its better in this case to remain single and go on punting but if you live in America this is difficult to do, America is a sex prison, oh Piper I know what I am talking about. In Sydney if I am horny I can walk into a brothel and get sex without any fuss, pay and then fuck. In the US, if you are horny your option is go the usual route of kissing some woman's ass for a while until she will fuck you or either go the illegal route of soliciting prostitutes there and that could wind up bad, you could get arrested, get ripped off, get your ass kicked by her pimp. Frankly speaking the Aussie system is better.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Its a lot easier and more accessible for the average Aussie to travel to Asia, its all geography. Places like Koh Samui and Bali, which are exotic to Americans are common places for Aussies to travel. Latin America though is more accessible to Americans, but many Americans seem to think about drug wars and gangs when they think about Latin America. I myself traveled to Brazil and saw the southern region of the country, thought it was gorgeous, sure it has problems but the chicas are out of this world. Gisele Bundchen, the famous supermodel comes from Southern Brazil, she is seen as a knockout in America but from what I saw during my one trip there a few years back is that those beauties grown on trees there.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks][/QUOTE]I myself traveled to Brazil and saw the southern region of the country, thought it was gorgeous, sure it has problems but the chicas are out of this world. Gisele Bundchen, the famous supermodel comes from Southern Brazil, she is seen as a knockout in America but from what I saw during my one trip there a few years back is that those beauties grown on trees there.[/QUOTE]You are damn right they grow on trees. My first few times in Brazil I always brought up the question, "How do they choose the models?"
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Its a lot easier and more accessible for the average Aussie to travel to Asia, its all geography. Places like Koh Samui and Bali, which are exotic to Americans are common places for Aussies to travel. Latin America though is more accessible to Americans, but many Americans seem to think about drug wars and gangs when they think about Latin America. [/QUOTE]
I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.
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so true
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.[/QUOTE]
And I am 1 of those 25%ers let them stay home they will only clog up the airports and ewwwww you're in Darwin it did suck there it was a sausage fest back in 2009 never again. Let's keep this our little secret I will keep telling them there is nothing but trouble out there just go to the Grand Canyon/Arizona so they can check to see if you are a legal resident. DAMN YOU rub it in my face PI :( seriously have fun for me bro.
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Why???
I went to a singles event last night, an organized thing, and the women ranged from girls in their early 30s dressed up like it was prom to sort of biz casual broads in their 50s.
Anyway, I'm 40, never been married, which elicited a common question, "Why haven't you gotten married by now?"
I always explain I had a girl in college who didn't work out and then I moved around a lot, which is true. Life has been an adventure.
On the drive home, I wondered how they'd react if I posed a similar question: "So, what caused your marriage to end in failure?"
But no need to ask. If you get them on a date, they'll tell you all about it as you're paying the drink tab.
I used to dream of settling down and finding a partner for life. Now I mostly visualize what'd be like to get them doggy style.
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I wonder what would have happened on the drive home if you hadn't given such a lame answer. Never allude to any ex- anything in a preliminary conversation like that. Even more I wonder how they knew to ask the question. If women ask me if I'm divorced, I say I am single. If women ask me if I've ever been married, I say I am single. If women ask me if I am gay, I say I am single. Well, I would, if one ever did.
Point being you need to work on your game because that whole question needs to be avoided, evaded, or just plain ducked for several dates, and certainly until after you've fucked them.
Two good rules are: 1) Never talk about any prior relationships before they fuck you, and 2) Never talk about any prior relationships after they fuck you.
Essentially STFU is the order of the day because every single piece of information you let slip about any previous woman can do you absolutely no good, but unimaginable amounts of harm.
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[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]I heard somewhere that only 25% od Americans have passports, and half of them actually use them. Seems even in good time we are happy with Yellowstone, NYC travel, ect. Really though most of us Americans cant afford to go anywhere anyway either. If not for my job, I would not have gone anywhere in life. Forty countries and counting. In Darwin now and PI in two weeks.[/QUOTE]
The other 75% (actually 87%) of US citizens - those who don't travel - have their reasons and excuses; some good, some fearful, some lame.
Good reasons? The USA is a huge country, a tremendously diverse country, and you don't [i]have[/i] to board a plane to get to anything in the "lower 48". There's an awful lot to see, visit, and experience. I bought my "trailer yacht" to use as a caravan when it's not in the water sailing, just to use as a home-away-from-home for some extended USA tourism.
Fearful reasons? Global terrorism and the notion that USA citizens are special targets of "the mullahs". Stories of the red-shirt riots in Bangkok. Highly publicized murders, kidnappings and the like.
Lame reasons? The water, the food, "I can't speaka da language," they don't speak English, shakedowns from the cops or from Customs - that sort of shit.
Gunz, with forty countries stamped in your passport, you're aware of course that offshore travel can be a pain in the butt. If you have to rely on English-speaking "locals" to work with you, then you're probably aware of how much you aren't understanding of that country; if you [i]do[/i] speak the language, you had to put a lot of work into learning it. And you know that the USA is the Land of Instant Gratification - very few Americans are willing to put in the work to learn another language, even if it did open up the world for them. I'd bet that "87%" (non-travelers) don't speak any languages but English - well, probably a lot of them speak Spanish too - but, as I said, "they have their excuses."
I did a good lot of offshore travel in the last ten years of my career, though not as much as you have, Gunz. Now that I'm retired, I do want to see "the wonders of the USA" before I move offshore. But I also get in some foreign travel, such as my recent DR trip, partly for "research" in the quest for my One Particular Harbor - and partly to get it on with the chicas of the world, such as the girls at Blackbeard's. ;)
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[QUOTE=Westy]The other 75% (actually 87%) of US citizens. Those who don't travel. Have their reasons and excuses; some good, some fearful, some lame.
Good reasons? The USA is a huge country, a tremendously diverse country, and you don't [I]have[/I] to board a plane to get to anything in the "lower 48". There's an awful lot to see, visit, and experience. I bought my "trailer yacht" to use as a caravan when it's not in the water sailing, just to use as a home-away-from-home for some extended USA tourism.
Fearful reasons? Global terrorism and the notion that USA citizens are special targets of "the mullahs". Stories of the red-shirt riots in Bangkok. Highly publicized murders, kidnappings and the like.
Lame reasons? The water, the food, "I can't speaka the language, " they don't speak English, shakedowns from the cops or from Customs. That sort of shit.
Gunz, with forty countries stamped in your passport, you're aware of course that offshore travel can be a pain in the butt. If you have to rely on English-speaking "locals" to work with you, then you're probably aware of how much you aren't understanding of that country; if you [I]do[/I] speak the language, you had to put a lot of work into learning it. And you know that the USA is the Land of Instant Gratification. Very few Americans are willing to put in the work to learn another language, even if it did open up the world for them. I'd bet that "87%" (non-travelers) don't speak any languages but English. Well, probably a lot of them speak Spanish too. But, as I said, "they have their excuses. "
I did a good lot of offshore travel in the last ten years of my career, though not as much as you have, Gunz. Now that I'm retired, I do want to see "the wonders of the USA" before I move offshore. But I also get in some foreign travel, such as my recent DR trip, partly for "research" in the quest for my One Particular Harbor. And partly to get it on with the chicas of the world, such as the girls at Blackbeard's..[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.
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Thanks, DH
No, actually, I volunteered that I was never married, because everyone was moping around talking about their divorces. So I said, "Geez, I feel so inadequate, I've never been married or divorced." Joking in that regard.
My father banged about everything he could. He generally observed your rule.
I did learn early on never to tell white girls you had a thing for black girls. They get all worked up about that.
I can't say that I really have any game at all. Once in awhile I luck out and find a woman with my taste in music and a sick sense of humor. I do often try to be a blank slate as far as political opinions, etc., which is easy, because women don't want to hear our thoughts on the whole anyway.
I did break the silence rule recently when I was dating this bisexual Chinese broad. We were on the first date and she told me her longest relationship had been with a black woman.
"What a coincidence," I said.
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I have a solution
If they keep pressing you on your single status, you just say you're a widower. Breast cancer would probably be a good way to say the invented wife died.
"She was a real fighter," you can say and then mention how well you took care of her.
Even your average neurotic woman would feel less threatened. And it could be a decent way to explain any sex tapes she might find.
"That was my wife! Can't I remember her?"
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.[/QUOTE]
And Australia?
Pardon me, I don't want to start an argument, but ... perspective?
It all depends on what we value. "Rich and famous" from the USA's east coast maven-havens (DC and NYC), and those on the West Coast (Los Angeles), refer to everything in-between as "fly-over country". But the area they value is maybe 00.01% of the land-mass of the USA.
Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"? And how do the residents of Woomera, Alice Springs or Kalgoorlie feel about that?
And PS, how is Australia doing without "The Mandarin"?
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[QUOTE=Paesano63]The welfare queen is an exaggeration, but there is some truth to welfare supporting generations of people that become dependent on the system.
but what really surprised was your comments on finance and taxes. You and Obama just don't get it. Business people, and not all of them are rich, just will not risk capital unless the return warrants the risk. With higher taxes and fees, along with healthcare cost business people will not hire. And we see this in our economy.
You of all people try to to get the most "bang" for your buck and go to places where your dollar will go further, this is your brain's decision to maximize the value of your dollar and not waste in on american women. Business people are no different, all its about generating the best return on your money.[/QUOTE]I do get it and while I voted for Obama, I am not happy with all the developments trust me. I would vote Green but that would results in eMeg and iCarly, no thanks.
Its false choice, what your doing is picking the lesser of two evils.
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[QUOTE=Hung Man 1808]Careful there DJ, that statement is code for "we don't want to pay for local engineers/ IT people as they are too expensive, so we need to find a way to justify importing 1000's of such people from India/China who we can pay the absolute minimum to".
Where I am, there are many highly experienced, but over 40 IT people who can't get a look in. But the young, dumb, *cheaper* guy gets the job.
In other professions, unless you are formal business level fluent in the local language, you're screwed too.
You could always start your own business...[/QUOTE] I have taken that into account. I don't know if I like having my own business. To me having your own business is about control. Having control over everything, even things you don't want to have control over.
I mobile DJ'ed for years, always as more of a side-business to my regular job. I don't like Weddings unless its a friend or my own. Corporate Parties aren't any fun either. So that leaves doing kids parties and nightclubs. I was in Nightclubs, but my ex was the typical AW jealous type and I lost most of my contacts.
Now I just DJ for myself, upload a mix here and there, do some internet radio.
So what actually been doing since I was fired, is look for something that's easy to do, that doesn't require more than 2 years of school if at all and doesn't involved selling shit.
I thought solar/energy audits would be fun, might still do it. But as much time I spend online (8-10 hours a day) IT was what I felt I could do with the internet. But I will be starting a video podcast here soon mostly about Auto Racing since that's my passion and hosting on an up and coming web site.
We'll have to see what happens.
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[QUOTE=D Cups]My Fellow Americans, A Proposal:
If you decide to marry an AW don't do it unless she is wealthy AND there is handsome DOWRY as part of the deal.
After all, look at all the bullshit you will have to put up with AND all the mongering you will be giving up. It is only fair. This is what they want to marry YOU for, yes? It's not called a dowry any more but essentially that's what it is. Turn the tables on theses connivers and see what happens~!!
I tried this on my last American girlfriend in front of her friends (of course left out the mongering part) and they all laughed even though I was dead serious. After all, she makes more money than me (plus gets alimony and child support from the ex) so why not? After dating for two years her friends were pressuring me to tie the knot but I just stuck to my guns. Eventually I broke it off because of her sexual conservatism (and low frequency); incessant materialism; and overall drama queen bullshit. Plus she was training her daughter to be another high maintenance beeotch.
I broke it off on July 4 five years ago now as a symbol of my own independence. It has been one of the best decisions of my life because now I travel the world for young lovelies half her age and weight and ten times the sexual appetite and kinkiness. Sure I pay for it but it's a lot cheaper than an AW and oh so much more FUN.
Guess who's laughing now at dowry nay-sayers?
Yours truly, of course![/QUOTE] Its funny how we went from a Dowry, to Poppa paying for the Wedding at least to absolutely nothing. The only parents that could afford to pay for Weddings now are upper Middle Class and even that's a stretch.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.[/QUOTE]I used to drive trucks, between the coast there is a whole lotta nothin.
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Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
[quote=Australiasucks]You got to be kidding me except for few cities on the coasts, most of America seems like a wasteland. Boring.[/quote]
[QUOTE=D Cups]There is a lot of beautiful country in America between the coasts. Lakes, rivers, mountains, deserts, you name it. It's at least as beautiful as what limited I've seen in Oz.[/QUOTE]
[quote=DJ FourMoney]I used to drive trucks, between the coast there is a whole lotta nothin.[/quote]Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....
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[QUOTE=Westy]And Australia?
Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"? [/QUOTE]
The phrase that I have heard used to describe the "interior" of Australia is "The G.A.F.A."
The Great Australian F#ck All!
Regards,
Hotman (A Brit!)
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Dating stories
[quote=vaquero]if they keep pressing you on your single status, you just say you're a widower. breast cancer would probably be a good way to say the invented wife died.
"she was a real fighter," you can say and then mention how well you took care of her.
even your average neurotic woman would feel less threatened. and it could be a decent way to explain any sex tapes she might find.
"that was my wife! can't i remember her?"[/quote]
ha! ha!
i agree that being a widower is the best answer - like tom hanks in sleepless in seattle.
but for most of us, sticking closer to the truth will work better in the long run. unless you are a really good liar.
you need to approach these events or dates like a job interview.
anticipate the questions and have a credible, "truthy" answer up your sleeve.
if you have not been married or had a long-term live in relationship, you may be able to spin out some line like "i never found the right girl" or "i was focusing on buidling my career / travelling too much / whatever" - depends how hold you are. saying you haven't found the right girl when you are 30 will sound great to her, saying that at 50 sounds pretty lame.
nothing wrong with being divorced, the women you are meeting are probably divorced too. but you cannot dwell on it, or blame "that *****" for the break-up. "we grew apart" is a good line - you matured and she didn't. you need some kind of minimalist story, but then you can simply say - "i don't want to dwell on that, i want to focus on the future" - i.e. with the lonely hearts club girl whose blouse you are peering down at that moment.
what you cannot have been the past several years is alone and lonely. that is just pathetic. and makes you sound undesirable. even admiting to being a casanova is better than having been a lonely loser.
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Agreed, Westy.
GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.
However, the married American male's response to my bachelorhood: "GENIUS! You lucky bastard! Extreme jealousy, etc" particularly when I tell them about my trysts with sexy foreign women one-third my age.
I really don't know what to say to AWs in social situations any more. They are so fucking stupid and self-centered. The older they are the worse they become. IMO they aren't even worth talking to except in professional situations of course. NONE of my married buddies in America are happy. NONE. All of my married buddies say stay single, it is not worth it. No AW is worth it even with a dowry!
Cripes, the BULLSHIT my own brother who has been married for 30+ years has to put up with is absolutely absurd! I swear by my lights and stars I would never put up with anything remotely close to that crap.
I'm just hanging in there for 10 years or so until I retire in the PI. Then I can abandon AWs for good. They are the bane of the planet. Of course, mom notwithstanding but they don't make AWs like my 89 year-old mom anymore. They've all been replaced by greedy, self-centered biotches.
[QUOTE=Westy]Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=D Cups]GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.[/QUOTE]Whereas for me the situation is reversed.
Having been married for 20 years (and still am) with a steady job, great kids, house, dog, etc, I think I could make out like a bandit with the divorcee crowd.
In fact, I know I could - I experimented in this market when I first started playing around, with some success (even with the impediment of still being married).
It was possible to date and screw nice women about 10 years younger, who just wanted to get a love-life back, after years of being a single mom - plus try to secure a future prospect.
Of course, when they discovered I had no intentions of leaving my wife for them, things ended pretty quickly.
But the great thing is that it taught me not to fear becoming single again, because there was a big market out there for guys like me.
And that gave me the confidence to demand changes in my marriage that pay off a couple of times a week.
I still monger when I travel, but don't really need to at home (except when I want something special, which is readily available on CL).
It also taught me that, if I ever do enter that market (divorcees, MILFs) to demand a ROI by the second date, or move on.
There are lots of fish in that sea, and starting a relationship with lots of courtship and no sex is setting a bad precedent!
Once you establish that you are in the driver's seat, the ride can become fun.
The problem with a lot of divorcees is they don't realize they are not in the driver's seat any more.
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What is stupider than marrying an AW?
Marrying TWO of them:
[url]http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38572863/ns/today-today_people?GT1=43001[/url]
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Agreed, Westy.
GT, to comment on this "marital status" issue.., this is a particular sore spot with me and AWs. You see, I've never been married. AWs reaction: "what's WRONG with you? Are you gay?". I hate the whole scene of that conversation. Particularly when I mention I don't have any kids, either. Their assumption is super high skepticism/red alert for them.
However, the married American male's response to my bachelorhood: "GENIUS! You lucky bastard! Extreme jealousy, etc" particularly when I tell them about my trysts with sexy foreign women one-third my age.
I really don't know what to say to AWs in social situations any more. They are so fucking stupid and self-centered. The older they are the worse they become. IMO they aren't even worth talking to except in professional situations of course. NONE of my married buddies in America are happy. NONE. All of my married buddies say stay single, it is not worth it. No AW is worth it even with a dowry!
Cripes, the BULLSHIT my own brother who has been married for 30+ years has to put up with is absolutely absurd! I swear by my lights and stars I would never put up with anything remotely close to that crap.
I'm just hanging in there for 10 years or so until I retire in the PI. Then I can abandon AWs for good. They are the bane of the planet. Of course, mom notwithstanding but they don't make AWs like my 89 year-old mom anymore. They've all been replaced by greedy, self-centered biotches.[/QUOTE]
I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage!
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[QUOTE=Westy]Guess it depends on what you're looking for, doesn't it? Your perspective makes all the difference. A beautiful mountain, to a tourist, is just 1/2 hour of grinding uphill in low gear, to a trucker.
Let's return to our regular thread - pissing and moaning about AW beyotches....[/QUOTE]
Actually I like Shasta and the Siskiyou's..... Some of the best looking parts of California are North of San Fran...
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[QUOTE=Booey]I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage![/QUOTE]
Then I need to meet the women you do. All I find is Single Mothers who have been burned once or twice that don't want to take a third chance.
I don't have an aversion to MILF's at all, I just want to be assured its what I need to do. Thus far, it seem to me anyway that the single women are hotter than the single mothers are. You would think single mothers would keep themselves in top shape to attach the best candidate. So I guess besides kids, I don't see any difference between those with and those with out, the narcissism is the same.
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American women in the work place
I worked with many American women, professionals, managerials, executives etc... in fortune 100 companies.
Some of the women I know were remarkably dedicated to their jobs, their employees, fellow workers, employers and various noble causes for humanity... It's very hard to stay your straight course when surrounded by stupid, corrupt corporate assholes...hehe.
Some of these women worked very hard and achieved a lot for themselves and for others.
However, there is a fairly high percentage of these women who would do anything, including fucking their bosses to keep their jobs and their perks... Some of these young sluts got horny for old guys with power, and would fuck guys as old as their grandfathers regularly... The old hands were always comparing notes and had good laughs among themselves... These sexual liaisons were well known among the management, but unless there were complaints, no actions need to be taken.
I have seen some straight-laced women went very far in their careers. Have not seen any sluts went very far. They could be problems when they lose their jobs. Then they may be hiring attorneys to claim they were fired for not fucking their bosses...enough...hehe.
The American work place is dry, but not completely devoid of sex. I understand European work places are far more relaxed and active regarding intramural sex...
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American women in the workplace
1) They feel very entitled. A coworker of mine just got a $10,000 raise. She complained that it was only couple hundred a month after taxes. When I told her plenty of people would be grateful, she said, "That comes from someone who doesn't have a kid to support."
2) Both women in my office have made sexual advances toward me, one of them before she was my boss. The other, the aforementioned sloppy blonde, licked my face when she was drunk and told me she gave great blow jobs. When I later suggested we should fuck should I be transferred elsewhere, she was gravely offended and called it harassment. If they get horny, it's all "Sex in the City." If we get horny, it's a Ted Bundy documentary.
3) Women in my organization have been given promotions and transfers largely because of bureaucratic desire to keep quotas, but they've also been repaid for past sexual favors. Some of the dog ass ugly broads we have actually wield lots of influence.
4) Once a fellow I knew walked upon a female supervisor blowing her boyfriend in her office. The interloper complained, but no action was taken. He asked me, "What would you do if you walked in on her sucking his dick? "Naturally," I said, "I'd pull out my cock and start whacking off."
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Well, one thing I wouldn't do is snitch them off. Come on.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]1) They feel very entitled. A coworker of mine just got a $10,000 raise. She complained that it was only couple hundred a month after taxes. When I told her plenty of people would be grateful, she said, "That comes from someone who doesn't have a kid to support."
2) Both women in my office have made sexual advances toward me, one of them before she was my boss. The other, the aforementioned sloppy blonde, licked my face when she was drunk and told me she gave great blow jobs. When I later suggested we should fuck should I be transferred elsewhere, she was gravely offended and called it harassment. If they get horny, it's all "Sex in the City." If we get horny, it's a Ted Bundy documentary.
3) Women in my organization have been given promotions and transfers largely because of bureaucratic desire to keep quotas, but they've also been repaid for past sexual favors. Some of the dog ass ugly broads we have actually wield lots of influence.
4) Once a fellow I knew walked upon a female supervisor blowing her boyfriend in her office. The interloper complained, but no action was taken. He asked me, "What would you do if you walked in on her sucking his dick? "Naturally," I said, "I'd pull out my cock and start whacking off."[/QUOTE]This is hardly news, its no surprise that AWs behave this way in the workplace. I knew a girl at my job in the late 1990s who was exactly like this, moderately talented but knew how to use her looks to her advantage. The last I heard is that she was with Google and married a manager there. Luckily I do not live in America and can easily shrug off AWs. If I were stuck in North America, one of a few things I would do, completely shrug off women and go on trips abroad occasionally and completely gorge on sex when I am overseas, or b live in Quebec, that seems to be an oasis in what is otherwise a desert.
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Oh yes, Booey, the wives of my buddies are for sure suspicious of yours truly. If I weren't a professor, and respected member of my neighborhood and community, I'm sure they would forbid their husbands from even seeing me! Of course, my travels are business-related, too, and I always show photos of myself suited up behind a podium giving a presentation to add to the legitimacy. Yet again, the main reason I go is for the awesome, young tight p***y, incomparable and unachievable in America due to the cultural age bias.
Interestingly, many AWs I met do not want AMs with kids (or at least young kids). They are tired of their kids. Nearly all broads initially want kids (the biological imperative) but a few years later they don't want any more because of the amount of work, emotional drain and money involved.
[QUOTE=Booey]I am in the same situation as you DC, mid 40's, never married, no kids. What I tell the incredulous AW is that I never wanted children. I tell them I was up front with the women I dated and they were good with it at the time and later on decided they did want to have kids so we ended up splitting. I also mention that a lot of women won't date a guy, seriously at least, that doesn't want kids. Actually, this is the truth, I broke up with two serious gf's over the no children issue. What I do not tell them is I really never had the intention of marrying any of them anyway. I saw some pretty hellacious divorces in my early twenties, so I was wary to begin with and as time went by, I saw how miserable so many of my married guy friends were (still are), that I just decided it wasn't going to happen to me.
You are right about the jealousy, etc, one gets from married male friends. Their wives on the other hand are a little wary of me as most of them know I travel regularly to SEA, although they don't know about the mongering, but I am sure they suspect (my cover story is that I am going to visit my brother in Shanghai, and then visit my friends who have retired to Thailand, both of which are true) I think they are scared I will corrupt their well trained husbands and urge them to break free from their bondage![/QUOTE]
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"pooping in your lunch pail" was the phrase we used back when i was wearing a suit and tie.
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A pearl of wisdom
a financial controller at a fortune 50 company once told me:
" dont eat where you shit..."
that seemed the only wisdom he had after paying hundreds of thousand dollars for his harvard mba...hehe
[quote=dickhead]"pooping in your lunch pail" was the phrase we used back when i was wearing a suit and tie.[/quote]
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here's another genius who should have just mongered.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38597967/ns/business-us_business[/url]
i'm gonna go find out how much money he made last year.
here we go: total compensation of $30,332,527 in 2009. wonder what kind of severance he got. hope it was some good pussy.
if you're going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] in your lunch pail, you need to wipe your butt a lot better than this guy and tiger and pitino and all of them. i've had sex at work during work and never got in trouble for it. probably would have eventually.
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Guy was hired in March 2005 and since then the stock is up over 15% per year. He got over $100 million in total comp the last three years and has over $12 million of severance coming. All over some pussy he supposedly never even got.
And then there was the AW in Scotland who whacked her three kids and then tried to kill herself but fucked that up. I hate it when that happens.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]If I were stuck in North America, one of a few things I would do, completely shrug off women and go on trips abroad occasionally and completely gorge on sex when I am overseas....[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I do. I got into the habit of completely shrugging off women quite early in my US-Government-Security-Clearance career - but it wasn't until an official-government-business trip to Paraguay with my mapping course, that I got my introduction P4P. It was an epiphany.... :D
There are a couple of "old family friends" who ask me when the hell I'm going to get married. I'd rather become a Jesuit and strike for the priesthood - and I am not by any means Catholic in the first place.
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[QUOTE=Westy]I'd rather become a Jesuit and strike for the priesthood - and I am not by any means Catholic in the first place.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing how picky they are about that. You'd think they would take anyone they could get, with the reputation they have nowadays.
I suspect that if more Jews became priests and more Muslims became rabbis and more Episcopalians opened up ashrams, etc., you'd eventually get a better mix of religions. Religions, like tribes and institutions, become too in-bred and nepotistic. Never go to a college that hires a lot of its own PhDs to teach there (although that is very common in Spain, for example). Groupthink is responsible for a lot of social ills.
I have been given nine more days to report for my 264 day sentence in SP. I, unlike Lindsay Lohan, will not be released a day early. However, I will receive two furloughs that are likely to be a) outside SP and b) highly conjugal.
I did the math and if I maintain the same type of life style except for pussy, I should be able to leave SP after 8.5 months with enough cash to live for 12-14 months back here. I guess that is an okay ratio.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]It's amazing how picky they are about that.... I suspect that if more Jews became priests and more Muslims became rabbis and more Episcopalians opened up ashrams, etc., you'd eventually get a better mix of religions.[/QUOTE]
Now that's an idea. I was born Episcopalian but I've studied a lot of the Eastern religions like Zen Buddhism. Maybe I could open an Episcopal ashram dedicated to Zen meditation and tantric yoga....:D
(Wait: Would that make me a "koan artist"?)
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You should open an Episcopal ashram with no pork allowed and everyone has to wear special underwear. I think the Mormons got thrown out of México for stealing too many canned goods. Or was it the other way around?
Know how AW always want to know "where the relationship is going"? I just said good-bye to one of my favorite prostitutes and she did not want to know where the relationship was going. "Bueno, we will see each other in December and until then I will miss your cooking."
Another thing AW like to say: "I'm just not really sure where I am right now, relationship-wise." They like to say that twenty minutes into the first date. I am just not really sure where I am at as far as what kind of salad I am going to order, for chrissakes.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Do the residents of Perth, Canberra and Sydney see the rest of Australia as "fly-over country"? And how do the residents of Woomera, Alice Springs or Kalgoorlie feel about that?
And PS, how is Australia doing without "The Mandarin"?[/QUOTE]
I live in 'fly-over country' and, yeah...the rest of the nation doesn't even acknowledge our existence. Something like 97% of Australia's population live in the capital cities, and a large percentage of Australia is uninhabitable, so I guess we can't blame them for forgetting that a handful of us actually live in the 'outback'. However, ask any city-dwelling Aussie what Australia is famous for and, aside from the Opera House, all the locations they name will be located in our (so-called) boring, uninhabited fly-over country.
PS. Very well, thank you. That man is a grade-A tosser.
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[url]http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15702260[/url]
Although regulatory filings indicated his severance package was "only" $12 million, apparently this Mark Turd will get $28 million for allegedly not fucking this alleged woman. I think the board "greenmailed" this guy. None of the stuff they talk about in this article would bother anyone in continental Europe or Latin America, and it's obviously not the real agenda.
Remember the last two CEOs walked the plank at Hewlett Packard too, including Carly Fiorina who may well be the next governor of California.
My goal at my new job is get accused of sexual harassment as quickly as possible and receive severance in excess of what I would get by actually doing the job. Should be pretty straightforward,
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[QUOTE=Captain Solo]However, there is a fairly high percentage of these women who would do anything, including fucking their bosses to keep their jobs and their perks...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but I just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. Sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. But I would venture that they would be in the minority.
For many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. Many, many women are FORCED into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). I've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
I've personally found myself in that position, where I was told I could 'win' the promotion if I agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though I was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when I refused to agree to my employer's demands.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead][url]http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15702260[/url]
Although regulatory filings indicated his severance package was "only" $12 million, apparently this Mark Turd will get $28 million for allegedly not fucking this alleged woman. I think the board "greenmailed" this guy. None of the stuff they talk about in this article would bother anyone in continental Europe or Latin America, and it's obviously not the real agenda.
Remember the last two CEOs walked the plank at Hewlett Packard too, including Carly Fiorina who may well be the next governor of California.
My goal at my new job is get accused of sexual harassment as quickly as possible and receive severance in excess of what I would get by actually doing the job. Should be pretty straightforward,[/QUOTE]
She's running for Senate actually DH :) eMeg, ex-Ebay CEO is buying the Governor's office
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I get those two hags confused. Carly I would fuck. Meg I would not but I met her one time, back in the go go days. What the fuck is the matter with you people, electing these movie stars and other idiots all the time? And the last one who wasn't a movie star was Grey Davis. Guy can't even spell his own first name. Gray (I forget if it was Grey or Gray) is a fucking color. Only women confuse things with colors. Peach is a fruit, not a color. Lime is a fruit, not a color. There are only like five colors in the world. And don't get me started about Bad Bad Jerry Brown.
Oh yeah, and electing a little smurf like Sonny Bono mayor or sherrif or whatever the fuck he was? What was up with that? You know he was probably coked out when he skiied into that tree.
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C'mon, Dickhead, you should know by now only the rich get into politics. The best candidates don't normally have the financial resources to do so (except maybe Ross Perot who got cold feet). Mayor Bono was revered by his constituents: the residents of Palm Springs. President Ronald Reagan was the only recent good president we've had. You're right about the rest of the idiots ncluding our current presidential disaster. I suppose this discussion should be moved into the politics thread unless anyone wants discuss my favorite political babe: Sarah Palin.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]I get those two hags confused. Carly I would fuck. Meg I would not but I met her one time, back in the go go days. What the fuck is the matter with you people, electing these movie stars and other idiots all the time? And the last one who wasn't a movie star was Grey Davis. Guy can't even spell his own first name. Gray (I forget if it was Grey or Gray) is a fucking color. Only women confuse things with colors. Peach is a fruit, not a color. Lime is a fruit, not a color. There are only like five colors in the world. And don't get me started about Bad Bad Jerry Brown.
Oh yeah, and electing a little smurf like Sonny Bono mayor or sherrif or whatever the fuck he was? What was up with that? You know he was probably coked out when he skiied into that tree.[/QUOTE]
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There's a thread for American Politics. It's called, curiously enough, American Politics.
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I would rather fuck Carly Fiorina than Sarah Palin but I admit Sarah's ta-tas are a lot bigger. Carly, I think, would want to get on top and be in charge. That would probably be okay. Sarah, I would tease her with my dick until I had her where she needed to be and then I think she would become extremely submissive. At that point I think you could bang her pretty hard.
Bristol Palin I would just come all over her face and hair and let it go at that. i wouldn't even let her take her clothes off.
I'll dump on some more AWs once I get back to the US but I wonder whose dick Lindsay Lohan is sucking in that re-hab center.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Sorry, but I just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. Sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. But I would venture that they would be in the minority.
For many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. Many, many women are FORCED into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). I've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
I've personally found myself in that position, where I was told I could 'win' the promotion if I agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though I was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when I refused to agree to my employer's demands.[/QUOTE]Bunch of nonsense, women use their sexuality to get their way by choice not because of some force. As for harassment, if a woman does it to a man most times she will get away with it scot free. Its social double standards.
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Think again before marrying an AW!
Here's something funny I read somewhere else about the reaction of AW to their husbands watching porn. This topic has reached over 400 replies and some of them are hilarious.
Enjoy!
[url]http://marriage.about.com/b/2007/11/23/porn-and-marriage.htm[/url]
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American women in the workplace
hi rubber nursey,
i think the degrees of sexual proclivity vary greatly depending on the countries, the size and culture of each company.
in america, there are legions of hungry attorneys who would quickly file harassing law suits on contingent basis against people in positions of power who extort sexual favors as conditions for employment or promotions.
fines and penalties can be very high as jury members tend to emphathize with poor working people, and would award huge damages against businesses, sometimes regardless of factual evidences otherwise...
i know a recent case where a waitress was awarded close to $1 million in back wages and punitive damages for being wrongfully terminated. if juicy sexual elements were involeved, the award may have been much higher and fines much stiffer.
businesses in us would much rather avoid wasting money, time and energy defending against harassing lawsuits. that means people deemed to have high sexual needs and poor judgements would likely be passed over for managerial or excutive positions... this seems to apply mostly to male workers as i have not known or heard of too many female sexual predators... your management career would have much easier chances of success in america if you were a certified eunuch...hehe.
my point was that, the women who fuck their bosses, or even their peers, would sooner or later be known in the corporate grapevines. they create the suspicion of favoritism, thereby reducing the trust, cooperation and efficiency in the workplace. they would become marked. nobody would want to take on and promote careers of slutty proteges for fear of potential legal and political liabilities by association. management would string them along in non-responsible positions and dead end jobs, hungry and desparate, so they have to fuck more or decide to quit on their own...
my observations are that women in the us would more likely limit their own careers by fucking around at work. they would do their careers big favors buying a few heavy-duty vibrators for themselves and devoting all their time, energy and creativity to their assigned work...
[quote=rubber nursey]sorry, but i just had to add that for a lot of women, "fucking to keep their jobs" is a literal statement. sure, there are some women out there who intentionally further their career prospects by sleeping their way to the top. but i would venture that they would be in the minority.
for many women, the only way they can compete with a male employee is to offer 'added benefits' to the employer. many, many women are forced into the position of providing sexual favours for their bosses in exchange for promotion...or even for initially getting the job (the 'casting couch' is still alive and well). i've worked with countless women in the sex industry who had put up with soooo much sexual harrassment and pressure to shag their boss out in the 'real world', that they decided it was better to fuck directly for cash, than be forced to fuck for promotions.
i've personally found myself in that position, where i was told i could 'win' the promotion if i agreed to provide sexual favours to my boss, even though i was just as qualified as my male counterpart...who, of course, ended up receiving the promotion when i refused to agree to my employer's demands.[/quote]
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Dude, sorry to say it, but my never-been to the US Colombian ex wife had a big problem with it as well. And she wasn't a particularly religious person, she just felt in second or third place (even though she wasn't in my books).
I have to say since I moved to Colombia I have a lot less desire to watch porn. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I demand more out of life now ;)
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Dude, sorry to say it, but my never-been to the US Colombian ex wife had a big problem with it as well. And she wasn't a particularly religious person, she just felt in second or third place (even though she wasn't in my books).
I have to say since I moved to Colombia I have a lot less desire to watch porn. It just doesn't do it for me anymore. I demand more out of life now.[/QUOTE]When I lived in the south of FSU earlier this year I could not even think about porn, had no time for that.
When every day you have a trouble to chose with which girl to go on a date or which ho's to call for a fuck party.
Another thing, Internet access their can be slow and expensive, they still charge by amount of traffic MB, so fortunately porn is definitely not a popular activity to do. People prefer to get together and have good time.
Porn is more needed in more western and "rich" countries, especially USA where most people have nothing else to substitute porn with. Everybody is busy doing their shit and social life is a joke. The social life is actually a mockery of real social life what you get in EE, SA, etc.
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Kill Bill 2
I was watching Kill Bill 2 this lazy Sunday afternoon and I couldn't help but laugh out loud during one scene. It was the part where Uma Thurman goes to get trained by the ancient Chinese guy, Pai Mei (sp), remember the guy with the long flowing white beard? Well, right at the beginning, he is messing with her and says, "Women are good for only two things, ordering in restaurants and spending a mans money!" He could have added banging, but that would not have fit the character. Wise words, Sensei!
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[QUOTE=Booey]I was watching Kill Bill 2 this lazy Sunday afternoon and I couldn't help but laugh out loud during one scene. It was the part where Uma Thurman goes to get trained by the ancient Chinese guy, Pai Mei (sp), remember the guy with the long flowing white beard? Well, right at the beginning, he is messing with her and says, "Women are good for only two things, ordering in restaurants and spending a mans money!" He could have added banging, but that would not have fit the character. Wise words, Sensei![/QUOTE]I remember that scene in Kill Bill, its very true what he said. American women, good for ordering food in a restaurant and spending money.
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[quote=captain solo]in america, there are legions of hungry attorneys who would quickly file harassing law suits on contingent basis against people in positions of power who extort sexual favors as conditions for employment or promotions.[/quote]
we have some pretty heavy-duty sexual harrassment laws in oz, too. the problem is that they're very much like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] laws when it comes to proving an offence has been committed (no witnesses, he said she said). also, poorer women, or those with few employment alternatives, may choose to stay silent about sexual harrassment because they can't afford to lose their job. and of course, all this applies to men who are harrassed as well.
[quote]my point was that, the women who fuck their bosses, or even their peers, would sooner or later be known in the corporate grapevines. they create the suspicion of favoritism, thereby reducing the trust, cooperation and efficiency in the workplace. they would become marked. nobody would want to take on and promote careers of slutty proteges for fear of potential legal and political liabilities by association. management would string them along in non-responsible positions and dead end jobs, hungry and desparate, so they have to fuck more or decide to quit on their own...[/quote]
i wholeheartedly agree. that's why i said i believe women who choose to screw their way to the top are in the minority. any woman with half a brain knows shagging their boss will do more harm than good in the long-term. women who take that path are generally submitting to some form of pressure.
[quote=australiasucks]...women use their sexuality to get their way by choice not because of some force.[/quote]
i think 'using your sexuality' is different to 'fucking the boss'. lots of women dress sexy, flirt and behave like bimbos to secure and/or retain employment, but this ends with exactly the same treatment that captain solo described. sure, your sexy blonde librarian look might get you the job over the dowdy brunette, but if your boss hires you as eye candy, you will only ever be seen as eye candy. sexy women are rarely perceived as being smart or driven or accomplished.
personally, i think a lot of sexual harrassment laws are actually detrimental to women. they're supposed to protect us as work, but they're beginning to prevent us getting employed in the first place! the things classified as 'harrassment' are often soooo fucking ridiculous (displaying 'sexist' calendars? telling your secretary her hair looks nice today?) it's little wonder that some men are afraid to employ women.
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Lost his job for this ugly old hag?
Hewlett-Packard Co. ex CEO Mark Hurd must not be very smart:
[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Woman-in-HP-scandal-saddened-apf-2930421160.html?x=0[/url]
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[QUOTE=Captain Solo]Hewlett-Packard Co. ex CEO Mark Hurd must not be very smart:
[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Woman-in-HP-scandal-saddened-apf-2930421160.html?x=0[/url][/QUOTE]What a fuckwit.
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"Fisher echoed Hurd's statement that the two never had a sexual relationship, but neither she nor her lawyer, celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, would discuss details of the harassment claim."
"Fisher acknowledged that she and Hurd have settled the matter. A person familiar with the case told The Associated Press that Hurd agreed to pay Fisher but would not reveal the size of the payment."
So what is the deal here? There was no sex, but the guy had to pay? Do you know how much?
Why would anybody believe that this guy wanted this 50 y.o. broad? he could easily get twice younger chicks.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]"Fisher echoed Hurd's statement that the two never had a sexual relationship, but neither she nor her lawyer, celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, would discuss details of the harassment claim."
"Fisher acknowledged that she and Hurd have settled the matter. A person familiar with the case told The Associated Press that Hurd agreed to pay Fisher but would not reveal the size of the payment."
So what is the deal here? There was no sex, but the guy had to pay? Do you know how much?
Why would anybody believe that this guy wanted this 50 y.o. broad? he could easily get twice younger chicks.[/QUOTE]
I think it's just an example of how fucking ridiculous america is.
He got fired for 'improper conduct' by HP. Not sexual harrasment.
If it's proves to be true that there was no harrasment... every man should just cut their nuts off living in the states!
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"she never thought he would lose his job over this", jeez, guys can get fired if some broad thinks he is looking at her the wrong way.
He admits they did spend dinners etc together. My question is, how is such a naive idiot like this guy become a WallStreet darling and CEO of HP?
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This forum is supposed to be about fucking...
... But never mind, just for a moment, just consider...
The empty vessel puppet of the Wall Street bankers that is Obama is doing his job and has already tripled the countries debt in only 2 years. TOTAL Tax revenue BEFORE other expenditure like the military and welfare, will soon be insufficient to service the debt.
America is fucked, although no doubt DickHead or similar will argue otherwise?
Best start making plans now....
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I don't argue with illiterates who present inaccurate and uncited figures. The debt certainly hasn't tripled in 2 years. Maybe you should stop stroking your dick and use it to figure out how to count to eleven.
The gross [b]total[/b] public debt was $13.3 trillion a couple of weeks ago, which is about 93% of GDP. To give a comparison, after WW II that figure did not go below 100% of GDP until 1952 or 1953 (I forget which but 1953 makes more sense). So, a debt load of 93% of GDP is far from unprecedented (although not good!). It was over 120% in 1946. Note that 93% of GDP is still the third-lowest of the G8 highly industrialized countries.
Here are the cites:
[url]http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/markets/national-debt.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway[/url]
[url]http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp[/url]
You can check the data for yourself, or you can just go on listening to your favorite right/left wing commentators, who seek to entertain and inflame rather than analyze.
How the previous poster got the idea I was a great defender of the US is pretty humorous, but I do know shit from apple butter. Note this is the same poster who had inordinate curiosity about male porn stars' balls.
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For the record...
I did not say you are a defender of the US but guessed you would argue about the shit state the country is in anyway. I also am not in hock to the so called left or right wing. Rep/Dem are both the same, like choosing Pepsi or Coke. You are not even sure if I am right or left wing, which proves my point!
Is anyone really dumb enough to believe the crap/propaganda any Government issues? Like the vastly understated employment numbers. Debt as a % of GDP does not take into account the massive unfunded liabilities and you appear to have missed my point that Tax revenues will soon be insufficient to service the declared debt 93% or otherwise. (See link below.) Anyone who takes the opposite view to you is apparently an uneducated fool.
[url]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100007268/why-the-us-is-as-busted-as-a-busted-flush/[/url]
Try Bill Black on YouTube who was responsible for solving the S&L crisis in the 1980's if you really want to know the truth and there are many more out there. (His series of 5 short videos on the Real News Channel are very good.)
Incidentally, I do not have 'inordinate curiosity about male pornstars balls' as this was said as a joke. (Since when did female pornstars have balls, obliging you to differentiate for the benefit of all us 'illiterates')
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Not to totally drag it off topic, but both parties are in bed with Wall St.
The Banksters got away with who knows what and if you did the same thing you would either be dead or under the jail.
GDP is one of those funky figures and while 93% is not good, its unpopular for the House to try to pass anything meaningful to fix it without the Right (and some Dixiecrats) screaming about the deficit.
They say the new normal will happen around 2015. That gives me plenty of time to get more education but I'm leaving on the next Jet Plane....
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My numbers [b]do[/b] include the unfunded liabilities such as Social Security as you would have seen if you had bothered to follow the links. Obviously those have to be estimated. If those liabilities are not included, the "public" debt is $8.63 trillion instead of $13.26 trillion.
Perhaps you have some other numbers you would like to cite? Or you could just continue with random unsupported bullshit. I followed your link and it has no pertinent data and is just some journalist quoting some professor and there isn't even any context. It talks about the tax base as a % of GDP. It doesn't even define the tax base. Personal income tax? Personal + corporate? Personal + corporate + excise? Or what? It's a completely worthless article. Now maybe if you [b]researched[/b] and went back to the [b]source article[/b] by the guy he was quoting (but since he doesn't properly cite it, that's tough to do; that is very poor journalism and gives this pommie zero credibility in my book), that might get you somewhere.
But unsupported bullshit is a lot easier, right?
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[quote=dickhead]my numbers [b]do[/b] include the unfunded liabilities such as social security as you would have seen if you had bothered to follow the links. obviously those have to be estimated. if those liabilities are not included, the "public" debt is $8.63 trillion instead of $13.26 trillion.
perhaps you have some other numbers you would like to cite? or you could just continue with random unsupported bullshit. i followed your link and it has no pertinent data and is just some journalist quoting some professor and there isn't even any context. it talks about the tax base as a % of gdp. it doesn't even define the tax base. personal income tax? personal + corporate? personal + corporate + excise? or what? it's a completely worthless article. now maybe if you [b]researched[/b] and went back to the [b]source article[/b] by the guy he was quoting (but since he doesn't properly cite it, that's tough to do; that is very poor journalism and gives this pommie zero credibility in my book), that might get you somewhere.
but unsupported bullshit is a lot easier, right?[/quote]
i'm bored of this already. the figures and data can be argued and manipulated forever, the important principle here being that the us is financially screwed. no doubt. (gdp and the farce of 'qe' are not the same thing.) the us has systematically been hollowed out, raped? over the past 30-40 years. i suggest we pick this up in 6-12 months time to see who is right. in the meantime something to cheer you up...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hadpg45uo[/url]
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DJ is on the money HaHa...
There is NO difference between the political parties in the US or UK for that matter!! They, and the whole damn system is corrupt from top to bottom!! All the players are interchangeable and in the US most Government appointees are carry overs from Clinton or Bush and are those who cooked up the mess in the first place and so can hardly be trusted or expected to fix it! Just consider a couple of ramdom facts:
1/ Donald Rumsfeld announced a day before 9/11 that the defence department could not account ('lost') for $1.2 trillion. (See YouTube.)
2/ A few weeks ago, they also announced they could not account for 90% of the $900bn spent so far on 'reconstruction' in Iraq. Like you do LoL
3/ The Fed can 'print' (create out of thin air) ANY sum of money it likes without having to tell the Government who are junior to the Fed. (See Alan Greenspan on YouTube who clearly says the Fed are above Government.) Any coincidence that many of the big names in Government are billionaires?
4/ With the S&L debacle in the 80's over a 1,000 CEO's etc were prosecuted and/or imprisoned. This time, NOT ONE aside from Bernie Madoff!
5/ The problem is 30-40x bigger than the S&L yet the 'investigating' authorities now have a fraction of the manpower to deal with it and so it's business as usual with all the huge bonuses etc. Over $1 Trillion of bad debt has still to be disclosed and the 'crisis' has not even started. (See any of the Prof Bill Black videos on the Real News channel) Bail out, more like a jail out needed!!
So Dickhead, be my guest and swallow all the Government BS all you like, I suspect DJ and myself are far more likely to be proved right in 6-12 months!
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Let's get back on topic. But, unsupported horseshit can be fun. So here is some. 96% of all American women are overweight. 16.4% are HIV positive. 0.04% can suck good dick.
Oh yeah and also if you marry an AW then all your hair will fall out. It's a well known fact that I either just made up, or pulled off a biased website, or based on the fact I saw two married guys who were both bald.
Anyway in two days I will be back there to see for myself. But not for long!
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Quite by chance tonight DickHead...
... I came across (not literally before you say it!) this Fortune 500 article...
[url]http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/11/news/economy/economic_collapse_GDP_unemployment.fortune/index.htm[/url]
To paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!
Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...
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Have Fun in China!!
[QUOTE=Fox7717]...To paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!
Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...[/QUOTE]The Debt-to-GDP Ratio was 91%, 116%, 121%, 106%, 94%, and 95% for 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, and 1949 respectively.
BTW: During the 1930's (The Great Depression), the Debt-to-GDP Ratio never got above 44%.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]There is NO difference between the political parties in the US or UK for that matter!! They, and the whole damn system is corrupt from top to bottom!! All the players are interchangeable and in the US most Government appointees are carry overs from Clinton or Bush and are those who cooked up the mess in the first place and so can hardly be trusted or expected to fix it! Just consider a couple of ramdom facts:
1/ Donald Rumsfeld announced a day before 9/11 that the defence department could not account ('lost') for $1.2 trillion. (See YouTube.)
2/ A few weeks ago, they also announced they could not account for 90% of the $900bn spent so far on 'reconstruction' in Iraq. Like you do LoL
3/ The Fed can 'print' (create out of thin air) ANY sum of money it likes without having to tell the Government who are junior to the Fed. (See Alan Greenspan on YouTube who clearly says the Fed are above Government.) Any coincidence that many of the big names in Government are billionaires?
4/ With the S&L debacle in the 80's over a 1,000 CEO's etc were prosecuted and/or imprisoned. This time, NOT ONE aside from Bernie Madoff!
5/ The problem is 30-40x bigger than the S&L yet the 'investigating' authorities now have a fraction of the manpower to deal with it and so it's business as usual with all the huge bonuses etc. Over $1 Trillion of bad debt has still to be disclosed and the 'crisis' has not even started. (See any of the Prof Bill Black videos on the Real News channel) Bail out, more like a jail out needed!!
So Dickhead, be my guest and swallow all the Government BS all you like, I suspect DJ and myself are far more likely to be proved right in 6-12 months![/QUOTE]
William Black was on the Keiser Report last Thur. There are truth tellers all over the alternative media, even Peter Schiff wasn't able to get any traction and he's a Libertarian at best but was one of many signalling the doom and gloom but all CNBC and the rest of them wanted to say he was "Chicken Little and the Sky was falling".
In any event, you must like Petite Asian women and China will soon have its own issues to contend with.
I just said I was leaving on a Jet Plane, destination, who knows. Maybe South America, I don't know no place is utopia, all have their strange problems, cultural issues, racism at different levels and so-on. I just like women, I big asses you find in South America, I like fair skin and brightly colored eyes like you find in Scandinavia, its going to be hard to pick one and why should I have too?
Just keep it movin...
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[QUOTE=Fox7717]... I came across (not literally before you say it!) this Fortune 500 article...[url]http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/11/news/economy/economic_collapse_GDP_unemployment.fortune/index.htm[/url]To paraphrase... 'The 90% GDP debt ratio is the rubicon from which there is no return'
Getting the message yet? The US is fucked and so better get used to it now and start planning to preserve your wealth and assets!!Incidentally, I'm moving out to the Far East...[/QUOTE]
I liked the part where they bragged about how Rush Limbaugh is one of their readers. That pretty much told me all I needed to know. Thank you so much for all your financial advice but I think I am in pretty good shape.
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DJ, for Latin women with fair skin, big asses, and brightly colored eyes, I recommend:
1) Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Bolivia
2) Misiones province in Argentina
3) Valparaíso, Chile
4) Three cities in Argentina that are very close together: Rawson, Puerto Madryn, and Trelew.
Trelew was settled by Welsh but then of course local dudes snuck in and shot some nuttz and the result was quite interesting. Go there during Carnaval.
There are also a lot of your types in Venezuela but that country sucks.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I liked the part where they bragged about how Rush Limbaugh is one of their readers. That pretty much told me all I needed to know. Thank you so much for all your financial advice but I think I am in pretty good shape.[/QUOTE]
DickHead,
When I said 'your' wealth and assets, I did not mean you personally, I meant your in a generic sense, as people in general would be well advised...
I was not and would not offer you any financial advice, as it seems in any event I should be coming to you for advice, as you seem to know something everyone else has missed. 90% debt againsr GDP will be extremely nigh on impossible to get out of or sustain as the article said. I was not aware that Fortune 500 is such a joke as a source of financial opinion or advice. Thank you.
Anyhooo, I am truly bored with this now and I am sure you are too.
Back to the pussy.....
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DJ, I should add that you will encounter some fairly overt racism in any of those places I recommended, especially Misiones. But fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. They're just ignorant and insular. As has been discussed many times before, for every one that doesn't want to fuck you because you are black there will be one who wants to fuck you for the very same reason. It's more the dudes you would need to worry about.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]DJ, I should add that you will encounter some fairly overt racism in any of those places I recommended, especially Misiones. But fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. They're just ignorant and insular. As has been discussed many times before, for every one that doesn't want to fuck you because you are black there will be one who wants to fuck you for the very same reason. It's more the dudes you would need to worry about.[/QUOTE]
Not concerned, the only person that called me a "Sex Tourist" was some guy in Kiev. I happen to be with I guess "Part-Timers" and maybe he's sampled the goods, but I'm still not quite sure where that comment came from.
I can tell you for sure, curiosity abounds. Enough for me to get laid, enough to for a woman to get beyond my skin color or not see it as a net negative, but a net positive.
Being Black, but American is much less a problem outside America as it in INSIDE America.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]The Debt-to-GDP Ratio was 91%, 116%, 121%, 106%, 94%, and 95% for 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, and 1949 respectively.
BTW: During the 1930's (The Great Depression), the Debt-to-GDP Ratio never got above 44%.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]Well some people are comparing what the US is currently experiencing to the 1930s and America has a lot more foreign debt today, did you think the US prevailed in WW2 because it owed money to Germany and Japan?? LOL. Now it owes trillions to China and many other countries. I agree with Fox, I preempted him by a decade and moved to Australia which has benefited handsomely from the growth of the major Asian economies. The only way to put it mildly is that the US is fucked. Millions are turning on Obama because he is unable to turn around the US, in June the Obama admin was saying the recession is over, now it looks like a double dip and something worse. I honestly hope its not a repeat of the 1930s and more like the 1970s. But anyway all the hope and excitement that followed Obama's ascendancy to the Presidency is gone, even if he is not reelected, the his successor will be more of the same. My advice, get out of the US.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Well some people are comparing what the US is currently experiencing to the 1930s and America has a lot more foreign debt today, did you think the US prevailed in WW2 because it owed money to Germany and Japan?? LOL. Now it owes trillions to China and many other countries. I agree with Fox, I preempted him by a decade and moved to Australia which has benefited handsomely from the growth of the major Asian economies. The only way to put it mildly is that the US is fucked. Millions are turning on Obama because he is unable to turn around the US, in June the Obama admin was saying the recession is over, now it looks like a double dip and something worse. I honestly hope its not a repeat of the 1930s and more like the 1970s. But anyway all the hope and excitement that followed Obama's ascendancy to the Presidency is gone, even if he is not reelected, the his successor will be more of the same. My advice, get out of the US.[/QUOTE]
Less likely to be like the 1930's, got UI, SS, Medicaid, etc, etc. Just enough of a social safety net to prevent a complete collapse.
With roughly 20% of the population unemployed, you don't have much room for error. But there are some things afoot. There's a rumor since Fannie & Freddie are under Gov control, they might bail out underwater mortgages by forgiving part of their debt. Many of argued the people that should have been bailed out were not the banking sector, but the home owners and consumers.
The reason it didn't happen before was this ridiculous notion of "moral hazard" and of course the fact that Obama's biggest donors were on Wall St.
That would provide some relief to some families and free up some spending, but we have to get out of this mindset that we'll spend our way out of this, we have to make structural changes to our economy and how it works.
Failing political will to force the Government to do something, it will wait until it has to do something, so I think you'll see few things Obama can do without the Congress (Fannie & Freddie) and almost anything else will have to wait until the fallout of the Mid-terms.
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There's a thread for the last two pages here(started here by Fox7717 - thanks for not RTFF), it's called American Politics.
So what are the odds American woman demand to cook some food after sex like other cultures? I bet 500 to 1.
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The Prevalent Ignorance on This Forum is Giving Me a Headache
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Less likely to be like the 1930's, got UI, SS, Medicaid, etc, etc. Just enough of a social safety net to prevent a complete collapse.
With roughly 20% of the population unemployed, you don't have much room for error...[/QUOTE]I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]Those are the US federal government numbers if you are going by that you are an idiot. The real unemployment in the US is closer to double that. The US government does not use a very accurate formula to get the real unemployment rate. Australia's is around 5 percent and dropped a bit and the number is more realistic than the American rate. The American Dollar no longer has the kind of prestige it used to have overseas, come to Australia and see why, or any other major country for that matter.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You don't have time because you can't pick it apart. Go to the back of the line.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]I don't have the time to pick apart the errors in your argument and the arguments of your cohorts. Nevertheless, the national unemployment rate in the United States is 9.5% and has been between 9.5% and 10.1% for the last twelve months.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
The way it's measured, that only includes those who are actively seeking full time work and are not presently employed at all. Those who have stopped looking because they are discouraged from no prospects are excluded. And those are under-employed, meaning that they can't get full time work despite wanting it, but are taking part time jobs (usually without things like health care benefits) are also not counted. The numbers I've seen indicate that if you count the long term discouraged who have stopped looking, the number would be between 16% and 17%, and another 7% or so are underemployed.
The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.
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Hacks Make Me Want to Vomit
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]You don't have time because you can't pick it apart. Go to the back of the line.[/QUOTE]Aren't you the guy from a year ago who was looking to marry some third world hookers?
-Helpmann :D
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[QUOTE=Jon32]There's a thread for the last two pages here(started here by Fox7717 - thanks for not RTFF), it's called American Politics.
So what are the odds American woman demand to cook some food after sex like other cultures? I bet 500 to 1.[/QUOTE]
We talk about AW here, how about this?
I recently made two different threads in another forum.
One thread topic was "Would you date somebody who was unemployed". Being unemployed myself I wanted to gauge the response and it was more positive than I thought. Granted I'm talking to quite a few women on that board who are over 35, not models at all but fairly attractive none the less.
So the moral to that story is? I'm not sure, women become decidedly un-materialistic once they hit 30 or have children. But like most men, I rather have a few years to explore our relationship before having children. Ready Made families become just that, you jump in with both feet and into the deep end of the pool. Coming up on Sept, things become real like buying clothes for school and school supplies. That goes with other things as well. If the woman your with is reasonably secure financially these are likely not major issues. But there's still stress levels to deal with and while crisis management might be a good way to learn about how a woman will act in such a situation.
Now having said that, women between 28 and 35, never married, no children and better than a 7 on many scales have a level of narcissism that largely is unnoticed by other women. So when you try to explain that, it falls on deaf ears. There the ones with laundry list so long its hard for the average guy to measure up.
So I just turned 40 last week and what are my choices?
Narcissistic Women, great to look at, no children but I'm a looser in their eyes.
Women with children, more realistic, especially the older they get and the day after day of loneliness build up.
One thing I have found however that interesting is in FSU, if you have children from a previous relationship, you might as well have Leprosy. Of course that's the law of supply and demand. Men usually looking over there for wife are looking for younger, childless women. But what's even funnier is that since the financial crisis many agencies report more women applying but fewer men coming.
So its a buyers market... If your buying, most of you aren't so its of little concern.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Aren't you the guy from a year ago who was looking to marry some third world hookers?
-Helpmann :D[/QUOTE]
Define 3rd World/Developing Nation?
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It's an Epidemic!!
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The way it's measured, that only includes those who are actively seeking full time work and are not presently employed at all. Those who have stopped looking because they are discouraged from no prospects are excluded. And those are under-employed, meaning that they can't get full time work despite wanting it, but are taking part time jobs (usually without things like health care benefits) are also not counted. The numbers I've seen indicate that if you count the long term discouraged who have stopped looking, the number would be between 16% and 17%, and another 7% or so are underemployed...[/QUOTE]Of course unemployment only includes those that are presently seeking employment. That's how it has been measured in the United States for decades!!! If you want to pull some "adjusted" statistics out of your ass, then you should at least have the decency and intelligence to compare "adjusted" statistics from past and present day. Not actual past stats (US Labor Dept) to adjusted present stats (Cato Institute).
Pulling a trick like that is just stupid and irresponsible.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Of course unemployment only includes those that are presently seeking employment. That's how it has been measured in the United States for decades!!! If you want to pull some "adjusted" statistics out of your ass, then you should at least have the decency and intelligence to compare "adjusted" statistics from past and present day. Not actual past stats (US Labor Dept) to adjusted present stats (Cato Institute).
Pulling a trick like that is just stupid and irresponsible.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I didn't COMPARE it to anything. I merely offered those additional numbers to allow people to better appreciate the CURRENT situation in a more fleshed out manner. There was no trick, and the only irresponsibility is yours. And in point of fact, the underemployment number has not been reliably calculated in prior generations, so there really isn't anything to compare the current number to. It was only presented so that one appreciates that more than 20% of the population is unable to find the sort of work that they would wish to, even though the current labor dept. numbers are between 9.5% and 10% for the unemployment metric as it has historically been measured.
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Fear Mongering Hacks are a Joke
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I didn't COMPARE it to anything. I merely offered those additional numbers to allow people to better appreciate the CURRENT situation in a more fleshed out manner. There was no trick, and the only irresponsibility is yours. And in point of fact, the underemployment number has not been reliably calculated in prior generations, so there really isn't anything to compare the current number to. It was only presented so that one appreciates that more than 20% of the population is unable to find the sort of work that they would wish to, even though the current labor dept. numbers are between 9.5% and 10% for the unemployment metric as it has historically been measured.[/QUOTE]You didn't flesh out anything! You pulled 20% adjusted unemployment out of the air (earlier you wrote 16% or 17%, which is it?) and then you failed to say what the "out of the air" adjusted employment number was before the recession. I won't even ask where you are "finding" these numbers.
In the US, actual unemployment was 9.5% in July 2010 and 4.6% three years ago. These aren't adjusted numbers or numbers that were pulled out of my ass.
Now stop quoting unnamed sources or Rush Limbaugh!
[b]BTW, you don't have to go back to the Great Depression to find worse unemployment statistics. US unemployment has averaged 8.8% over the last two years (July 2008 - July 2010); however, 27 years ago, unemployment averaged 9.5% (July 1981 - July 1983).[/b]
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]You didn't flesh out anything! You pulled 20% adjusted unemployment out of the air (earlier you wrote 16% or 17%, which is it?) and then you failed to say what the "out of the air" adjusted employment number was before the recession. I won't even ask where you are "finding" these numbers.
In the US, actual unemployment was 9.5% in July 2010 and 4.6% three years ago. These aren't adjusted numbers or numbers that were pulled out of my ass.
Now stop quoting unnamed sources or Rush Limbaugh!
[b]BTW, you don't have to go back to the Great Depression to find worse unemployment statistics. US unemployment has averaged 8.8% over the last two years (July 2008 - July 2010); however, 27 years ago, unemployment averaged 9.5% (July 1981 - July 1983).[/b]
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed who are part time employed to the long term discouraged who are not captured by the Labor Dept. statistics, plus the Labor statistics number. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".
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Full of **It!
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed to the long term discouraged. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".[/QUOTE]I am not the guy, who's been pulling bullshit out his ass. You offer opinions, but not a shrewd of proof.
Now, I question everything that you have ever written on this board.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]I am not the guy, who's been pulling bullshit out his ass. You offer opinions, but not a shrewd of proof.
Now, I question everything that you have ever written on this board.
-Helpmann :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Proof of what, douchebag?
I never said that I disagreed with your Labor Department numbers - I simply said that they do not tell the entire story, because they omit the long-term discouraged workers, and the underemployed workers If you believe that those additional groups that are omitted by the Labor Dept number that's been hovering around 9.5% are irrelevant, you are entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong. The reason that I didn't quote a source for the other numbers is that, quite candidly, the estimates vary, and there is no one established source that is considered to be the best for those two segments that are NOT measured by the Labor Dept. But that doesn't for a minute mean that the two additional groups of un or underemployed people who are not measured by the Labor Dept are irrelevant. In all honesty, I don't know why you are arguing with me, and what the point of your argument is, unless it's that you like to make yourself look foolish on a forum. I'll concede you've certainly done that, and quite well.
And frankly, why should I, or anyone else, for that matter, give a shit what you question or do not question? It's not like you have any particular worthwhile insight into this issue.
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Can't Trust This!
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Proof of what, douchebag?
I never said that I disagreed with your Labor Department numbers - I simply said that they do not tell the entire story, because they omit the long-term discouraged workers, and the underemployed workers If you believe that those additional groups that are omitted by the Labor Dept number that's been hovering around 9.5% are irrelevant, you are entitled to your opinion, even when it's wrong.
And frankly, why should I, or anyone else, for that matter, give a shit what you question or do not question? It's not like you have any particular worthwhile insight into this issue.[/QUOTE]First, you write that unemployment is the worst since the Great Depression, which is a lie. Anyone with a brain and a computer can view the historical statistics on US Bureau of Labor and Statistics website and see that unemployment rates were worse in 1982 and 1983.
Second, you write that the "adjusted" unemployment rate is over 20%, but you fail to disclose the source and you don't even bother to compare the number to a pre-recession "adjusted number." This also sounds very much like a lie. In earlier posts, I refer to it as "bullshit."
Third, you resort to name calling (douche bag, gas bag... you like "bags" for some reason) when you can't substantiate anything that you have written.
Therefore, I can only assume that you are a liar or that you have a tendency to exaggerate (to put it nicely). Nevertheless, I can't trust any of your reports or opinions on ISG and I don't think anyone would benefit to trust your reports either.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]First, you write that unemployment is the worst since the Great Depression, which is a lie. Anyone with a brain and a computer can view the historical statistics on US Bureau of Labor and Statistics website and see that unemployment rates were worse in 1982 and 1983.
Second, you write that the "adjusted" unemployment rate is over 20%, but you fail to disclose the source and you don't even bother to compare the number to a pre-recession "adjusted number." This also sounds very much like a lie. In earlier posts, I refer to it as "bullshit."
Third, you resort to name calling (douche bag, gas bag... you like "bags" for some reason) when you can't substantiate anything that you have written.
Therefore, I can only assume that you are a liar or that you have a tendency to exaggerate (to put it nicely). Nevertheless, I can't trust any of your reports or opinions on ISG and I don't think anyone would benefit to trust your reports either.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
Calling you a douchbag is actually an insult to douche bags, but a compliment to you, Helpmann. You still never explained what I was supposed to PROVE? You are the one who seems to be making an argument when none was posited. Are you claiming that the economy is actually in good shape because the unemployment rate is ONLY 9.5%?
And as I said, you not trusting me troubles me not in the slightest - Why the hell would anyone give a shit what you think about anything? Is there any particular reason why anyone should care in the least what you have to say on this, or any other issue?
Also why don't you tell the rest of us how the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers currently, compare with the period in the early '80s or the Great depression? As I said, the reason that I never made that comparison is because there were no reliable measurements of those stats back in those days. But they DO provide us with some insight as to how the situation today is actually worse than is reflected by a measured unemployment rate of 9.5%. At no point have you bothered to refute that point - rather you just made an ad hominem attack on me - which is why I called you a douchebag. And your claiming that I was quoting Rush Limbaugh is why I called you a gasbag. You richly earned those epithets.
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Dear Rush Limbaugh,
[QUOTE=Member #2041]...Also why don't you tell the rest of us how the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers currently, compare with the period in the early '80s or the Great depression? As I said, the reason that I never made that comparison is because there were no reliable measurements of those stats back in those days. But they DO provide us with some insight as to how the situation today is actually worse than is reflected by a measured unemployment rate of 9.5%...[/QUOTE]The US economy is in awful shape. As reported by the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (not some hack), US unemployment is the worst it has been in 27 years. The unemployment rate as measured by the US BLS is not a perfect measure, but it is a consistent measure, making it a useful tool when comparing historical unemployment statistics.
Yes, there are other numbers that should be considered such as underemployment and those that have left the job market; however, it's very irresponsible to say that these numbers are only significant in recessions. In good and bad times there is always underemployment and those that have been left out of the job market. If you believe that this is a phenomenon only attributable to recessions, then talk to African-Americans or Hispanics. Since 1990 and before this recession began, African-Americans were already averaging over 10% unemployment. These aren't stats that have been pulled out of my ass; these are stats that can be found on the US BLS website.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]The US economy is in awful shape. As reported by the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics (not some hack), US unemployment is the worst it has been in 27 years. The unemployment rate as measured by the US BLS is not a perfect measure, but it is a consistent measure, making it a useful tool when comparing historical unemployment statistics.
Yes, there are other numbers that should be considered such as underemployment and those that have left the job market; however, it's very irresponsible to say that these numbers are only significant in recessions. In good and bad times there is always underemployment and those that have been left out of the job market. If you believe that this is a phenomenon only attributable to recessions, then talk to African-Americans or Hispanics. Since 1990 and before this recession began, African-Americans were already averaging over 10% unemployment. These aren't stats that have been pulled out of my ass; these are stats that can be found on the US BLS website.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
In point of fact, I never said any of that. But why am I not surprised that you are creating a bogus straw-man argument to knock down, for lack of anything better to say on the subject. It's simply true that the underemployment and long-term discouraged percentages are worse in recessions, and in particular, worse in THIS recession than at any time since those numbers have been calculated. But of course the issue always has existed, it's just become particularly acute for a broader swath of the population during this last recession. And yes, it has always hit African Americans harder than the population as a whole.
I also asked YOU to quantify the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers, if you were unhappy with mine. I see that you have evaded that challenge. The fact that numbers come from other sources than the BLS is does not make them any less valid - it just means that they are not directly comparable to the numbers you used - but I was never comparing them to the BLS numbers in the first place - I was simply pointing out that the BLS numbers ignore several important factors - again, something that you were either unwilling or unable to refute, and as a result, you resorted to an ad hominem attack - which is why you earned the title of douchebag.
And for some reason, you seem to be hung up on comparing the current scenario to the 1980s. I wasn't ever making a case about our present situation being worse than the early 1980s - although I believe that it is, the basis for that belief is NOT the employment numbers - it's primarily due to the aggregate loss of wealth which has occurred due to the decline in home equity and stock portfolios, which has combined to thrash consumption more deeply than has ever been seen since the depression. The fact is, circa 2007, people were spending based on their home equity and the escalation of their stocks, and those sources of wealth have been drastically whacked in the past few years. Stocks have come half way back (the Dow went from 14K to 6.5K back now to ~10.5K), but home equity has not come back much at all.
And BTW, I haven't a clue where you got the bug up your ass to start calling me Rush Limbaugh. I'm a liberal Obama supporter who happens to disagree with Rush Limbaugh on just about every conceivable issue there is - other than the desirability of traveling to foreign countries to fuck hookers. All of what we are talking about here is a direct result of the policies that have been espoused by the likes of Limbaugh and the Right Wing for the past 30 years from Ronald Reagan up through the Cheney/Bush administration, which has basically wiped out the middle class in this country.
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]...I also asked YOU to quantify the underemployment and long-term discouraged numbers, if you were unhappy with mine. I see that you have evaded that challenge. The fact that numbers come from other sources than the BLS is does not make them any less valid - it just means that they are not directly comparable to the numbers you used - but I was never comparing them to the BLS numbers in the first place - I was simply pointing out that the BLS numbers ignore several important factors - again, something that you were either unwilling or unable to refute, and as a result, you resorted to an ad hominem attack...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Member #2041]The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.[/QUOTE]First, this is untrue and for life of me you cannot admit it. Second, you want ME to check YOUR numbers. That's like asking ME to interview YOUR "Tijuana" hookers. It's your story, you prove it! Third, I call you Rush, because you're loose with the numbers. It's not because you're Liberal or Conservative. It's because you are working you're agenda, without regard to statistical proof or relevance.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]First, this is untrue and for life of me you cannot admit it. Second, you want ME to check YOUR numbers. That's like asking ME to interview YOUR "Tijuana" hookers. It's your story, you prove it! Third, I call you Rush, because you're loose with the numbers. It's not because you're Liberal or Conservative. It's because you are working you're agenda, without regard to statistical proof or relevance.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
My story was, quite simply, an OPINION I never claimed anything else, hence there was never a NEED to PROVE it.
I made a general statement that Unemployment was worse than it had been in the past other than in the great depression, when the effects of long-term discouraged members of the labor force and the UNDERemployed were also considered. I also acknowledged that those two metrics had not been reliably kept in the past, so that a direct comparison of the numbers couldn't be made - thus, what I was stating had to be considered an opinion - however, it's a well informed opinion based upon purely anecdotal evidence.
You made an accusation that my claim, which actually was an opinion because the long term numbers didn't exist to prove it one way or another, was actually NOT an opinion, but rather, was an outright lie. So I challenged you to back up that accusation. It's now patently obvious that you can't. I DON'T want you to check my numbers. I want you to back up your assertion that my comments represent a lie rather than an opinion you happen to disagree with. You made the accusation - so now the onus is on you to prove that your accusation is not completely full of shit. Let's see it, or is arguing on this board simply the way you try to compensate for having been stuck with too small a dick? My OPINION is that is apparently the case.
And BTW, it's pretty damn clear that you don't have a fucking clue what my agenda is or is not, other than establishing that you are a blow-hard, which was, frankly, pretty damned easy to do.
And are you seriously claiming that the effect of long-term discouraged workers, and the UNDERemployed are actually IRRELEVANT to the current economic situation? The fact that the numbers don't exist for 30 some years ago doesn't in any way make them irrelevant TODAY.
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]My story was, quite simply, an OPINION I never claimed anything else, hence there was never a NEED to PROVE it.
I made a general statement that Unemployment was worse than it had been in the past other than in the great depression, when the effects of long-term discouraged members of the labor force and the UNDERemployed were also considered. I also acknowledged that those two metrics had not been reliably kept in the past, so that a direct comparison of the numbers couldn't be made - thus, what I was stating had to be considered an opinion - however, it's a well informed opinion based upon purely anecdotal evidence.
...[/QUOTE]Exactly! It's just an opinion. Nevertheless, an opinion backed-up by bogus numbers makes you a hack. What makes you Rush Limbaugh is your incessant need to reply to my posts (which are backed by factual statistics), with your posts, which are backed-up with bullshit.
BTW, I did prove one of your opinions (The Great Depression) wrong already. Unfortunately, I just don't have the time to "interview" every "Tijuana hooker."
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Exactly! It's just an opinion. Nevertheless, an opinion backed-up by bogus numbers makes you a hack. What makes you Rush Limbaugh is your incessant need to reply to my posts (which are backed by factual statistics), with your posts, which are backed-up with bullshit.
BTW, I did prove one of your opinions (The Great Depression) wrong already. Unfortunately, I just don't have to time to "interview" every "Tijuana hooker."
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
Being called a hack by the smallest dicked person on this forum doesn't bother me in the slightest. But I'd be remiss not to point out that I never said ANYTHING relative to this current downturn being as bad or worse than the great depression. So you obviously don't even have a clue what you are talking about, if the thing you supposedly "proved me wrong" about is not something that I ever even said, but is merely bogus straw-man you tilted at.
However, it's amusing to hear you now backtrack and admit that what you initially called a lie WAS actually merely an opinion you didn't agree with. We expect that sort of weasel-wording from your kind of douchebag.
Anyways, now that that's been established beyond any shadow of a doubt, it's well past time for you to be placed on my ignore list. It's been real - but for your sake, I hope you get yourself a penis enlargement before your misery prompts you to do some sort of drastic harm to yourself. Ciao!
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]...But I'd be remiss not to point out that I never said ANYTHING relative to this current downturn being as bad or worse than the great depression...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Member #2041]The actual unemployment is certainly the worst since the Great Depression.[/QUOTE]Ugghhhh read your comments above.
BTW, calling you "Rush Limbaugh" means that you are a BIG fat liar. Don't you get it?
-Helpmann :p
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]The numbers I stated were: 9.5-10% unemployment as measured. 16-17% if you included the long-term discouraged who are not currently counted in the Labor Dept. Metric, and another 7% or so UNDEREMPLOYED.
Over 20% comes from adding the under-employed who are part time employed to the long term discouraged who are not captured by the Labor Dept. statistics, plus the Labor statistics number. If you could read, you would know that was what I said. I never contradicted myself.
I surely never quoted Rush Limbaugh - he's nearly as much of a gasbag as Helpmann is. Admittedly, Helpmann might be too stupid to have comprehended what I said, hence his belief that my answer did not "flesh it out".[/QUOTE]The U6 gives the best measure of US joblessness, its around 16 percent. In better times it was around 10 percent, even when the US was boasting only 5 percent unemployment many years back. Regardless, the real unemployment numbers are probably closer to 20 percent. If you look at European, Australian, Canadian stats they provide a more realistic picture of the true rate than American calculations. Its highly unlikely there will be a serious turnaround in unemployment in the next five years.
And yes I think Obama is largely doomed to one term stint as President. I am even betting that he will not run for reelection, most likely the Democratic party will push Hilary or someone else to the forefront. All that Hope and Change up in smoke. I knew it was too good to be true.
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I'm going to risk my sanity by saying this - but....
Helpmann, Member 2047 -
You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women!
(Yeah, go ahead and flame back. Get your attention off your tit-for-tat love-fest and flame a third party for a change. I won't flame back, I just hope this will JOLT YOU BACK to the original purpose of this forum - as stated in its title, "American WOMEN".)
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[QUOTE=Westy]I'm going to risk my sanity by saying this - but....
Helpmann, Member 2047 -
You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women!
(Yeah, go ahead and flame back. Get your attention off your tit-for-tat love-fest and flame a third party for a change. I won't flame back, I just hope this will JOLT YOU BACK to the original purpose of this forum - as stated in its title, "American WOMEN".)[/QUOTE]
You're completely correct, I should have recognized him for the troll he is sooner. My apologies for not putting Helpmann on my ignore list right after that pissing exchange got going. In any case, it's now been taken care of, and it won't happen again. Now back to the subject at hand.
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I am Ready When You Are
[QUOTE=Westy]...You guys, with your "tit-for-tat" behavior and your slinging of gratuitous ad hominem insults (cf. "Douchebag," "Rush Limbaugh") sound like American Women at their worst.
Gods above, what a cat-fight.
Let's get back to bitching ABOUT American women -
Not bitching LIKE American women...[/QUOTE]Westy - I agree with you and you should feel free to change the subject. Member 2041 is a troll and offers nothing, but unsubstantiated opinions and an incessant need to reply to my posts.
-Helpmann :)
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Approaching ex-students
I've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while and I've been running through diff't scenarios in my head when all of a sudden, I realized : instead of trying to do it all myself, here on ISG I have access to a tremendous resource: some of the craftiest, dirtiest, most perverted and experienced minds in the game!
The situation: ultimately I still would like a shot at marrying or at least having kids with a younger (I'm 36) AW. Like many others on here, its not going so well, for whatever reason, with the the kind of woman I'm interested in. However, I have an ace up my sleeve: I used to be a teacher.
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though? Or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion? Men throughout history have used whatvever means necessary to get women and sex. Power, wealth, influence, higher social status, anything and everything is fair game. Also, I am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. I would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
I would like some advice from forum members on how you would approach this situation. I am thinking of two girls off the top of my head. They are both 19/20 now btw. I taught them 5 years ago. They are from the town I taught in at the beginning of my career. I have them in mind because a) I remember them, since we got along and used to chat; I would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what I had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated". This town is a poorer, mostly Hispanic community. Both girls are Puerto Rican/Dominican, a community where early pregnancy is quite common and going with older men is not as looked down upon as it is in others. I'm also pretty sure they are going to school locally, as they prob. cant afford to go away to college.
Girl A, let's call her Claudia, is very mature for her age and I once saw her, at 14 yo, on a date with a man at least 10 years older. She is very confident and intelligent; I can see her being very independent and open-minded. Only possible downside is she has a huge family, a lot of brothers, and uncles, and I can see them not liking her dating me. Of course she is smart and would prob hide it from them at first.
Girl B, let's call her Diana, was very good friends with Claudia. As opposed to Claudia, she was always a little sad, more introspective, yet she liked to flirt and joke around too. I doubt she has the same family situation as Claudia. I saw on her FB page she is very interested in art, she may actually be studying it in college or at least doing it as a hobby. I could bullshit her and say 'Whatever happened to your interest in art? I remember you mentioned it a few times?'
I often wanted to ask her why she was sad but I never did. Is this something I can use to approach her on FB about? Show concern over how she's doing and regretting I didn't ask her before?
I think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. I can only imagine them saying "Eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on FB!"
Re: how to approach them, right now FB is the obvious choice. I could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but I think time-wise its probably a waste. And what if I do see them and they're with a guy? Now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
What do you guys think? I want to try this idea soon.
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Ahhhh, now this is more like it
[quote=cherchezfemme]i've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while: i would like to try to use {former teacher status} to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. i've only run this idea by ... a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. he said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. however, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
though i think {this idea is} kind of perverted, is it really though? or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion?... i am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. i would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
i am thinking of two girls off the top of my head ... i have them in mind because a) i remember them, since we got along and used to chat; i would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what i had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated".
i think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. i can only imagine them saying "eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on fb!"
re: how to approach them, right now fb {facebook} is the obvious choice. i could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but i think time-wise its probably a waste. and what if i do see them and they're with a guy? now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
what do you guys think? i want to try this idea soon.[/quote] oooh, yeahhhh ... this is [i]definitely[/i] depraved by aw standards, unless it's the cougars [i]themselves[/i] who are out on the prowl. it's a time-honored fantasy, too - on both sides: ever heard "don't stand so close to me" by the police? (sting was a former english teacher....)
that said, you could be tiptoeing through a minefield. it would depend on her having some "chemistry" for you in the first place. was there a schoolgirl crush on "mr. nabokov, tenth grade, third period"? was there some emotion on her part behind that teenage banter? very risky if there wasn't. still pretty risky, even if there was; a suspicious relative, or a passel of suspicious relatives, could be "hazardous to your health".
please make utterly sure that the young woman is indeed past "the age of consent." i also believe you'd have to play this very light. if you come on to her, that's gonna smell awful cheesy; i think you'll need to get "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]" to come on to [i]you.[/i]
will those schoolgirl crushes have left enough residual chemistry for her warm fuzzy feelings to re-awaken?
mmmmmm ... have to fantasize on that one. :d
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A very wise man once told me that "If it flies, floats, or f#$cks rent it. I think this may be true in your case to avoid any possible pitfalls.
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]I've had a naughty idea on my mind for a while and I've been running through diff't scenarios in my head when all of a sudden, I realized : instead of trying to do it all myself, here on ISG I have access to a tremendous resource: some of the craftiest, dirtiest, most perverted and experienced minds in the game!
The situation: ultimately I still would like a shot at marrying or at least having kids with a younger (I'm 36) AW. Like many others on here, its not going so well, for whatever reason, with the the kind of woman I'm interested in. However, I have an ace up my sleeve: I used to be a teacher.
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though? Or is it just the toxic shame instilled in me by society and/or religion? Men throughout history have used whatvever means necessary to get women and sex. Power, wealth, influence, higher social status, anything and everything is fair game. Also, I am interested in having children and a serious relationship, not just having sex. I would rather have children with a young, fertile woman than an older woman in say her mid-30s.
I would like some advice from forum members on how you would approach this situation. I am thinking of two girls off the top of my head. They are both 19/20 now btw. I taught them 5 years ago. They are from the town I taught in at the beginning of my career. I have them in mind because a) I remember them, since we got along and used to chat; I would even say we had a little connection above and beyond what I had with other female students b) they're gorgeous and c) they come from the kind of ethnic background where this may be "tolerated". This town is a poorer, mostly Hispanic community. Both girls are Puerto Rican/Dominican, a community where early pregnancy is quite common and going with older men is not as looked down upon as it is in others. I'm also pretty sure they are going to school locally, as they prob. cant afford to go away to college.
Girl A, let's call her Claudia, is very mature for her age and I once saw her, at 14 yo, on a date with a man at least 10 years older. She is very confident and intelligent; I can see her being very independent and open-minded. Only possible downside is she has a huge family, a lot of brothers, and uncles, and I can see them not liking her dating me. Of course she is smart and would prob hide it from them at first.
Girl B, let's call her Diana, was very good friends with Claudia. As opposed to Claudia, she was always a little sad, more introspective, yet she liked to flirt and joke around too. I doubt she has the same family situation as Claudia. I saw on her FB page she is very interested in art, she may actually be studying it in college or at least doing it as a hobby. I could bullshit her and say 'Whatever happened to your interest in art? I remember you mentioned it a few times?'
I often wanted to ask her why she was sad but I never did. Is this something I can use to approach her on FB about? Show concern over how she's doing and regretting I didn't ask her before?
I think students from that kind of background are a much more fertile terrain than my ex-students from wealthy, lily-white high schools who are now away in college. I can only imagine them saying "Eww, gross, my old teacher wrote to me on FB!"
Re: how to approach them, right now FB is the obvious choice. I could try to hang out in their town once in a while, but I think time-wise its probably a waste. And what if I do see them and they're with a guy? Now even if we talk, it would be weird to ask her for number.
What do you guys think? I want to try this idea soon.[/QUOTE]
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If it's an EX student and she is of age I fail to see the problem....
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[QUOTE=Gfechaser]A very wise man once told me that "If it flies, floats, or f#$cks rent it. I think this may be true in your case to avoid any possible pitfalls.[/QUOTE]
Yes, a lesson I haven't learned all that well, either. Two out of three is all I've gotten, though - a Piper Tri-pacer airplane and a MacGregor trailer-yacht. Couple of young ladies along the way that MIGHT have gotten me to take them in, but they showed the wrong "true colors" in time for me to back away.
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If it floats, fucks or flies, it's better to lease than to buy.
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Teacher's pets
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]
I would like to try to use that to meet up some of my ex-students who are now older than 18 and hook up with them. This is not a new idea by any means: I've had 3 ex-colleagues who married former students, as well as a high school teacher who shacked up with one less than a year after she graduated HS.
I've only run this idea by one person, a friend who has kids by 3 different women and is now married to a hottie 15 years his junior. He said that if he was in my shoes and an ex-student contacted him on facebook or whatever, game over: he would be all over them. However, he thinks it wouldn't be cool to approach them first.
Though I think its kind of perverted, is it really though? [/QUOTE]
No, it is not perverted, it is normal.
Girls like figures of authority and lots of teachers dated and married their students - probably a lot harder and more dangerous to do today though.
But that does not apply to you. The day you stopped being their teacher is the day it became open season for you (once they turned 18).
Who cares if some of these ex-students might not react well? They will simply not respond or block you. Big deal. That is the beauty of internet dating and social networks - rejection is impersonal and no big deal. Move on to the next one.
However, I think you over-estimate your secret weapon - having been their teacher. Sure, many girls might have had a crush on you or would have been thrilled to date a teacher when they were in high school. But once they have moved on in life (you say it has been 5 years) their ideas of who is cool will have changed.
You may be right to target these two PR/DR girls who may well still be interested in open to your advances. Go for it! But many of the other girls will have grown up and have different ambitions now. I am not sure those are fertile fields. But again, what is the harm in trying?
Hey, if it has been 5 years, is there a 5 year reunion coming up?
Actually, I guess every year is a reunion year for teachers.
You should start showing up at those.
But frankly I don't think AW are your best market. It will always be difficult to find girls willing to date a 10+ year age gap, your lucky friend notwithstanding. And those PR/DR girls, it may be great to date and fuck them, but even they are not likely to be thinking of marriage and kids yet. That doesn't start until after 25 for most AW.
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. LOTS of those women would LOVE to find a youthful, mature, employed American male who wants to start a family. The disadvantage most of us operate under is we are not really interested in a LTR or marriage, whereas you are.
And don't get spooked by all the stuff you read here about the EE women are only after the green card and half your money. Sure lots of them are, but you have to watch for sharks everywhere. There are also lots and lots of EE women (and presumably SA as well, but I don't know that market) who genuinely want to find a stable, healthy relationship to start a family in a safe and prosperous place. They know they cannot find that at home. Certainly you could manage a 10 year spread there.
In the meantime bang the two teenagers if you can, but don't expect that to blossom into a healthy marriage.
Good luck and happy hunting!
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Well put, GT. You've filled in some boxes that I'd left blank.
"Teacher's Pet" is a popular fantasy, and by no longer working in the school system, CF is not "being a predator" as long as the girls are beyond the Age Of Consent. Your suggestion of checking out a class reunion is good, too, as long as he can do so; he may see the coast is clear, but if things have changed he won't "drop cool for fool".
I think your best argument, though, is that offshore is a better hunting ground. (Which is kind of the thesis of ISG, isn't it?)
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]No, it is not perverted, it is normal.
Girls like figures of authority and lots of teachers dated and married their students - probably a lot harder and more dangerous to do today though.
But that does not apply to you. The day you stopped being their teacher is the day it became open season for you (once they turned 18).
Who cares if some of these ex-students might not react well? They will simply not respond or block you. Big deal. That is the beauty of internet dating and social networks - rejection is impersonal and no big deal. Move on to the next one.
However, I think you over-estimate your secret weapon - having been their teacher. Sure, many girls might have had a crush on you or would have been thrilled to date a teacher when they were in high school. But once they have moved on in life (you say it has been 5 years) their ideas of who is cool will have changed.
You may be right to target these two PR/DR girls who may well still be interested in open to your advances. Go for it! But many of the other girls will have grown up and have different ambitions now. I am not sure those are fertile fields. But again, what is the harm in trying?
Hey, if it has been 5 years, is there a 5 year reunion coming up?
Actually, I guess every year is a reunion year for teachers.
You should start showing up at those.
But frankly I don't think AW are your best market. It will always be difficult to find girls willing to date a 10+ year age gap, your lucky friend notwithstanding. And those PR/DR girls, it may be great to date and fuck them, but even they are not likely to be thinking of marriage and kids yet. That doesn't start until after 25 for most AW.
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. LOTS of those women would LOVE to find a youthful, mature, employed American male who wants to start a family. The disadvantage most of us operate under is we are not really interested in a LTR or marriage, whereas you are.
And don't get spooked by all the stuff you read here about the EE women are only after the green card and half your money. Sure lots of them are, but you have to watch for sharks everywhere. There are also lots and lots of EE women (and presumably SA as well, but I don't know that market) who genuinely want to find a stable, healthy relationship to start a family in a safe and prosperous place. They know they cannot find that at home. Certainly you could manage a 10 year spread there.
In the meantime bang the two teenagers if you can, but don't expect that to blossom into a healthy marriage.
Good luck and happy hunting![/QUOTE]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.
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Fins on the left....
[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "[i]Cara mia,[/i] we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"
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Clarification
First, I apologize for the length of my post. I should have summarized it thusly:
"If you were going to get in touch with an ex-student, WHAT would you say?"
I'm looking for ideas on how to approach them.
-yes they are all over age and out of high school
-this is not something that I'm going to spend a lot of time on, as there are not many possible targets
-I don't think many will remember me, especially the two girls I described, unfortunately. So really this is just more mental masturbation than anything else BUT you never know since, as stated by some of you, it is a common fantasy amongst students
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
What I don't get is why you want to go the AW route at all, when you are in an ideal situation to work the international market. You are familiar with the Eastern European market and that seems like the most fertile ground. .[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I know quite a few Australians who married Eastern European women, once they got their papers, they ran for the door. Many of them are interested in an American or other affluent male mostly to get out of their difficult lives back home. They tend to change once they get to the US or other western country. Keeping a relationship with these women is a risky proposition.[/QUOTE]
Its only risky if your thinking with your small head... Despite the propaganda sold by services/agencies all around the net, you can find somebody over there.
While its been impacted by the West (especially Ukraine, Czech Republic) in a negative way, Russia is still a very closed society as many people will not bother with the Visa process to get in and they make so difficult, especially young women to get out with nothing tying them back to the country.
Also the economies have been improving in these countries for awhile and while still not up to Western Standards, America is pretty much a 3rd World Country that doesn't know it yet. Once the infrastructure crumbles some more people will have a better idea.
Tales of Woe to be honest don't bother me, the divorce rate is much higher in the US with US women than the failure rate of foreign women. The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Ah, yes, the sharks. But they aren't all sharks.
I can't blame a woman for wanting to go to "The Land Of Opportunity," especially on the arm of a wealthy (by home standards) native of that "Land". At the root of this is sheer survival, and "the ugly American" (tip of the hat to Bill Lederer) represents a door to a better life. Why wouldn't a woman in a poor country reach out for a "lonely" guy from a rich country?
I've had some interesting afternoons, when I was being sent OCONUS on "The King's Shilling" (tip of the hat to Rudyard Kipling), explaining to my local colleagues how the "dazzling" salary I got was offset by the "astounding" high prices of life in the USA. "That beer would cost four times as much in my local pub. Our dinners at this nice restaurant cost less than a Happy Meal at McDonald's in my neighborhood. And a two-bedroom apartment in the Washington DC suburbs would cost $1500 to $2000 a month; that's more than you said you're paying for a YEAR!"
"The point is, I am only 'rich' in your country because the cost of living is so much lower here than it is in the USA."
So ... what happens when we "take advantage of the local prices" and sweep a young senorita off her feet and into our bed? Then into marriage, and back home to your normal life? Once you get her back to the USA, for example, she's apt to find that her life is certainly easier than back home, but not as luxurious as she'd dreamed. If she's a "Senorita Cartaverde" type, though, now she's got that magic Green Card - and as the law-firms' advertisements trumpet on daytime TV, "If you've got a phone, you've got a lawyer!" The rest is writ large - "I get the house, you get the payments."
Not every South American, or Eastern European, or South-East Asian, young lovely you see will be a "Senorita Cartaverde" type. But it's going to take some careful vetting to be as sure as you can be about it. Living together in her homeland for an extended period might help, especially if you don't live beyond what your means could afford back home.
Being retired, I would do better myself to move someplace where my pension is "princely" on the local economy. Then I could say, "[i]Cara mia,[/i] we can live here very well as we are. But if we move to the USA we'll be poor. Wouldn't you prefer to live here?"[/QUOTE]
+1
As many have stated that have chased and found their foreign wife and are still married a decade or more, many women are happy to be driving a Toyota Corolla and shopping at Target/Wal-Mart. As long as you bring home enough money so she can buy the things she NEEDS not DESIRES, 90% of the women are content.
They also believe that no woman would put up with the 1-3 year process it takes to get your Green Card. Of course they would these guys don't understand Women at all, but be that as it may, these women are easy to spot.
I have spoken before about the vetting process around here before and it applies as much at home as it does on the road, it doesn't matter. If most of you keep saying "Women are the same everywhere" that is true of the vetting process, don't let common sense take a vacation when you do.
I also agree spending as much time as possible with the woman in question will reveal a TON especially at home where she's most comfortable. From how she treats her children to how she treats you/others. Women are not quite as smart as they think they are, especially those without any psychological training they are still doing things based on "feeling" use this to your advantage.
I also think men mis-interrupt things that might be thought of as Red Flags, like having an excellent command of English, having traveled extensively or even desiring to come to America. Look our propaganda works does it not? If it didn't people wouldn't come to America. Even with our economic and political problems that has hardly slowed down the Green Card Lotteries.
As I said guys won't take the blame and just say "I married the wrong woman".
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Thanks for the thoughts. I still think there is a chance with AW, as I do believe there is merit in an old Italian proverb "Wives and oxen from your own towns"
There are good girls out there and right now I think this is just an interesting experiment.
And am I really familiar with the EE market? I've fucked about 15 hookers and spent about 15 days total in Czech and 5 in Slovakia.
One of my closest friends is Russian and dates them exclusively and they are terrifying in their greed and rapaciousness. I do worry about how I could possibly unearth one who does not think an x5, restaurants every week and a huge closet are a minimum requirement.
Also, as you know, I am unemployed and though I should be getting a 3 month unemployment extension, after that the future is murky. I will prob be going back to college and I'm not sure how that will fit in with going abroad and looking for a possible wife.[/QUOTE]
Go back to school, join me! The economy is going to be crappy for at least another 5-10 years, might as well take advantage of it and go to school. That's how I see it. I also qualified for UI and while its not alot, my expenses are low which means if I'm very careful I can still travel, so can you.
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5,000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney,
I am still keeping AW in the running only because its the least expensive upfront investment. But to be honest that's only if you find somebody local and they are bohemian in mindset. It can be just as expensive to date constantly over a 2-3 years span, in fact more expensive than to "pluck a girl out of obscurity".
Think it about it. I know its propaganda but over on the AFA web site they recently ran a show that put in perspective how expensive it can be to find a woman in the US.
Its true though, if you date 2-3 women a week at $100-200 a date, it gets really expensive really fast. If you read all the information available to you, you could sneak into South America, Asia or Eastern Europe and find somebody worthwhile and spend a whole lot less.
That's one of the things I'm working out and want to improve on from the last time. Which is instead of spending $5, 000 or so running around Europe and end up with nothing, why not a laser focus, find the right girl by using the vetting process to my advantage and end up successful.
We mentioned this earlier in this thread, the days of father's paying you to take their daughter off their hands is long over, at any level its going to be an investment unless the woman found you, which is highly unlikely.[/QUOTE]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.[/QUOTE]
I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.
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Skin lightening
In Asian cultures light skin is a sign of status. If you are light you are not a common worker and are considered to be rich in that you don't have to work. In my opinion I prefer the olive skin skin as they look healthier and prettier.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree, my assumption is that girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.
In FSU its just a numbers thing. Because of the non-Visa requirement in the Ukraine, that destination is so popular with Marriage Agency Tours that they don't even bother with Russia anymore.
But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key... Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] The guy never wants to take the blame for making the mistake.[/QUOTE]So this must hold true for guys who marry and then it doesn't work out to AW also. So maybe marriage is hard period.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Just to give a different prospective on what is still available in some places. This may break many people's beliefs and expectations.
I have one girl friend. We went to a restaurant only one time. I paid about $15. She said "this is the last time we went to a restaurant, we do not want to waste money anymore".
To give a better idea, she's about 10 years younger than me, early 20s, good-looking slim, dark skin. Crazy in fucking, very similar to Brazilieras, actually looks line one. But this is in Central Asia. The only problem with her is difficult to get rid off her in order to date other girls.
First I get shocked when meeting such girls after you get used to all the bullshit you see in the West, especially in USA.
People here talk about working out, money, education, developing some theories, etc. Still there are some unbelievably nice girls who would not give a shit about this stuff. Sometimes it is much simpler than you think, do not really need to waste time for all the bullshit trying to impress the biyotches you are used to, just have to be in the right place where you find different types of girls.[/QUOTE]The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree, my assumption is that darker girls in central Asia are not popular. I believe this myself because in most cultures even in Asia "White Makes Right" and Koreans are lightening their skin believe it or not.
So yes many men could be quite a bit of mileage out of focusing on darker skinned Asian women if you like Asians.[/QUOTE]I did not try to make a point about her skin color, it was only a description. It does not matter there. You could get the same treatment from completely white girls. It is the culture, the traditions, most girls are still family oriented and respect men. That's what I mean. At least I have seen in many cases there women are trying to save my money in contrast to many women in USA who have tried to suck money out of me as much as possible.
It is a common belief that women in USA are more independent, have good jobs, and thus money, which is true. But for some reason they are also greedier for money too.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]But there's still the problem of going after forbidden fruit. You figure likely do to industry propaganda, you can "round up" your what's normally attracted too you. I say that's complete utter BS. If you can get hot women locally then there's no reason to assume you can't do it elsewhere. But if you can only get 6-7s, maybe 8's on occasion (girls that don't value looks as highly) and be more than happy.
So like most things in life moderation is the key. Don't go after the best looking chick, find the next best girl.[/QUOTE]So far I've an opportunity to get married with at least 2 model looking chicas there. Of course they know they are beautiful but behave very modest and very quite. One has even been trying to impress me how she cooks, also cleans up her home. In USA she would have a long line of guys after her trying to impress her with their crap.
It is just different from the West. They have different standards and were brought up in a different way. You can meet a really beautiful girl who tries to impress you with her "taking care of house and cooling" skills. Also does not fuck around. I bet you do not see this stuff often in USA.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]The big flaw to your whole argument is Central Asia. Who the hell wants to live there just for easy women. Also the language barrier, customs. A whole host of issues.[/QUOTE]I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I guess I was not clear enough that you mostly missed my point.
Easy women? Of course plenty of available women, but if you read Central Asia threads, it is not that easy, compared to other places. It is definitely not a mongering place. If one wants just easy sex they better go to SA, SEA, Europe.
I was talking about the values, family traditions and non feminist culture. With some money you can have the life style as in USA or even much better, plus social life is 1000% better. That's the difference.
And the fact is that not many people want to go there is actually the advantage. The place is not screwed up so much yet as Europe, South America and Asia. Those few American who manage to be there are extremely happy. It is far, expensive to get there, visa problems etc... So its good for the few.[/QUOTE]There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. [/QUOTE]
If you really want to see third world living conditions in America try visiting parts of rural Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, you'll be shocked.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.[/QUOTE]Haha, have you been there? Looks like have not. So you have no idea what you are talking about. What 90% Americans can only dream of is available there. I see nothing wrong to be in a beautiful city, clean streets, safety, nice architecture, history, beautiful women, museums, theaters, low prices, cheap transportation, nice food, etc. Average American will never ever have this in USA. They can only chug cheap crap called beer and watch TV. Sorry about that.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]If you really want to see third world living conditions in America try visiting parts of rural Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, you'll be shocked.[/QUOTE]
Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.[/QUOTE]From what I have seen every US city has really fucked up areas. Just look in google for Detroit slams. Almost no different from Rio favelas. But if consider people quality(education , culture and women), Eastern European slams are much better than USA slams.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]There is no country in central Asia that has a life style of the US. You may be able to get a nice house. But you still have to deal witrh the infrastructure of the place. The lack there of. Medical conditions. Food. A whole host of issues. If you have to live in bum fuck backwoods somewhere. Just to have what you consider a good woman. Then you are set. You will have a good life and won't have to worry about your haven being spoiled. The mere fact you won't name this haven of yours. Leaves me to believe its a dump the average westerner wouldn't want to live at anyway. There are people happy in prison. That doesn't make it a great place to go.[/QUOTE]
The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...
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I Always Say...
Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]Why do you think it has to be like this?
Actually it should be opposite. Do not put your money where you are. It is much safer. If you are in the USA, put at least some of your money outside, so in case there is a problem such as lawsuit, divorce, etc.. you have a better chance to save your money.
If you live in another country you do not wanna take all you money there for exactly the same reasons. Then it is better to keep them in USA.
If you found a country where your dollars have better value than in USA why do you have to take all your dollars over there? USA can be good place to make and store money, another country can be good to spend them.
Also keeping some money in reals and Colombian peso has been a good idea, since they have risen against dollar.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Haha, have you been there? Looks like have not. So you have no idea what you are talking about. What 90% Americans can only dream of is available there. I see nothing wrong to be in a beautiful city, clean streets, safety, nice architecture, history, beautiful women, museums, theaters, low prices, cheap transportation, nice food, etc. Average American will never ever have this in USA. They can only chug cheap crap called beer and watch TV. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE]Why are you so afraid to tell us the name of this utopia of yours.
Is it possible because you know it cant compare to the US?
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota.[/QUOTE]So you are trying to say Colombia has better infrastructure/quality of life than the US. Overall or are you comparing our worst cities to their best which is Bogota. Try comparing it to NYC/LA/Denver/Portland then. The MOST happening city in the WORLD is NYC. Yeah the USA has ghettos. But they don't make up the majority of the country. Unlike any of the countries you guys talk about having great women. But then you wouldn't be truthful about it anyway. Becos you have to justify your decisions to move to poor countries so you can be the big dog. Thats all fine. But don't kid yourself into thinking those countries are better just because you can get ez pussy. Only your dickhead would believe that.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
All too good a question, Helpmann. People may show contempt for the Yankee, but they show a lot less contempt for the "Yankee dollar".
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Put your money where your mouth is. We can debate (or fight) about quality of life issues and indexes around the globe. One of the most telling and easiest questions to ask someone is where do they keep their money. Do ex-pats keep most of their money in dollar, euro, or yen dominated short and long-term assets or do they keep most of their money (whether it's baht, pesos, or real) in their "newly adopted" country?
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
I'm too much in debt to keep money but when I do I keep it in the "newly adopted" whenever possible... the Colombian peso is very very strong as of lately...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I'm too much in debt to keep money but when I do I keep it in the "newly adopted" whenever possible... the Colombian peso is very very strong as of lately...[/QUOTE]
Same here. I work in South Korea and keep almost all the money I make in South Korean won. It has strengthened a decent amount so far this year against the U.S. dollar.
I'm not a financial advisor, but I would suggest people actually get OUT of the U.S. dollar. Buying gold and silver are good options, but even other major currencies (Euro, Yen, Swiss Franc, Won, Singapore/HK $, etc) are a better bet than USD.
To make this post relevant to the thread, American women suck.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...[/QUOTE]
When i go to the US i have to rent a car as soon as i get off the plane...
All they have is fat SUV's and Planes, it's all about fuel.
I guess some people have interest in NOT developping transportation based on alternative energies. SOme of them might even live in Texas, who knows?
My 2 cents about the thread :
how ironic is that, most americans have issues with the crazy "empowered" american women. So many of them go to mexico to have fuN.
But i went to mexico a couple of years ago, i fucked mostly american girls, most of which were good looking and horny.
Also went out with a nice blonde in Shanghai she said that most people who go to china end up with a local girl and dump their GF or loose all interest in AW, and that it made her put in perspective the expectations she had back home. I ended up leaving her for one of her chinese 'Friends".
And yet AW think they have some kind of "power" or extra value worth making your life miserable. I mean how nice is it to get divorced and give your money and kids to a girl who once looked like Jasmeen BLeeth and now looks like Dumbo...
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Same here. I work in South Korea and keep almost all the money I make in South Korean won. It has strengthened a decent amount so far this year against the U.S. dollar.
To make this post relevant to the thread, American women suck.[/QUOTE]
Wish that were so, Ezinho. But the problem is, American women DON'T EVEN suck.
Oh, and Onadlos, you've touched on a real problem. In the USA, "You Are What You Drive."
(My car doesn't make any impression on the ladies. Neither, for that matter, does my four-passenger Piper Tri-Pacer airplane.)
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The USA is practically the poster boy nation for LACK of infrastructure worldwide actually. More than half the country, you can't drink the water that comes out of the tap. The national train network is a joke. Public transit in all but a few cities is a complete waste. Education is quite possibly the lowest standards in the WHOLE WORLD, as is the quality of the food supply. And 50 million people without even BASIC access to health care. I don't think you could possibly pay me enough to move back after two years in SUPPOSEDLY "third-world" Bogota...[/QUOTE]
As I said most people don't believe the US is not only a 3rd World Country but a Banana Republic.
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True So True
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Appalachian Mountains as well, rural PA/VA/NC/SC are very poor. But yeah funny enough those "Bible Belt" states have high rates of poverty and teenage child birth.[/QUOTE]
This is why I still do not understand the racial bias that exists in America now. All people are really starting to be affected by the downturn of the US.
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[quote=onadlos]when i go to the us i have to rent a car as soon as i get off the plane...
all they have is fat suv's and planes, it's all about fuel.
i guess some people have interest in not developping transportation based on alternative energies. some of them might even live in texas, who knows?
my 2 cents about the thread :
how ironic is that, most americans have issues with the crazy "empowered" american women. so many of them go to mexico to have fun.
but i went to mexico a couple of years ago, i fucked mostly american girls, most of which were good looking and horny.
also went out with a nice blonde in shanghai she said that most people who go to china end up with a local girl and dump their gf or loose all interest in aw, and that it made her put in perspective the expectations she had back home. i ended up leaving her for one of her chinese 'friends".
and yet aw think they have some kind of "power" or extra value worth making your life miserable. i mean how nice is it to get divorced and give your money and kids to a girl who once looked like jasmeen bleeth and now looks like dumbo...[/quote]
there was a story on bloomberg's web site about asia and how western men don't wanna date western women once they get there. it pisses western women off to no end. they don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like hk, indonesia, singapore and thailand.
i notice a trend of american expats shacking up with european women. its low level stuff, but still a trend. leaving choice locations like new york, miami and los angeles to live in belgium for example.
there is a strong desire to have european style public transportation. google los angeles rail 30 in 10. we also passed a bond measure a few years ago for high speed rail but we're currently battling nimby's and those that want the rails system to run a certain way, thinking in the short term only. once we get around that, we'll start building it.
i think the landscape in california is about to change for the better. that's why if i stay its right here, i have no desire to be anywhere else in the us.
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[QUOTE=Gfechaser]This is why I still do not understand the racial bias that exists in America now. All people are really starting to be affected by the downturn of the US.[/QUOTE]
Its an old canard and shows the GOP's true intentions when they are allowed to go off message of small Government and Tax Cuts.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Wish that were so, Ezinho. But the problem is, American women DON'T EVEN suck.
Oh, and Onadlos, you've touched on a real problem. In the USA, "You Are What You Drive."
(My car doesn't make any impression on the ladies. Neither, for that matter, does my four-passenger Piper Tri-Pacer airplane.)[/QUOTE]
American Women suck, you just don't wanna be seen with them. I had a fat 31yo hit me up on OkCupid the other day. I swear one of her replies was "Most Guys Don't Like Talking To Big Women". She would be right, but its been so long since I had a piece (end of last year) and I guess I won't be getting UI after-all so I don't have many choices. I'd hate to go back to fucking fat women when I've said no for so many years.
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International competition
[QUOTE=D Cups]Hi DJ, who said "They don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like HK, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand". I can confirm this. PI, too. The American nurses I saw there hated the Philippines.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have heard the same about western women posted to Russia or Eastern Europe, sometimes accompanying their boyfriends. It doesn't take long before the BF dumps her for some hot Russian babe who really knows how to please a man. Then the western woman is very lonely for the next few years running out the clock. Some ramp up their game to get some attention - but let's face it, why would an ex-pat guy bother with an ex-pat girl? Far better to date local poon.
I wonder if these women behave any differently when they get back home?
Do they try to become more competitive? Or just bitter?
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[QUOTE=D Cups]Hi DJ, who said "They don't get mad so much but are desperately lonely in places like HK, Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand". I can confirm this. PI, too. The American nurses I saw there hated the Philippines.
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I have met a few expats in Thailand who prefer to date western women. The main reasons I have heard are that they are not attracted to Asian women or that they feel they can have a more intellectually stimulating relationship with a western woman.
Each to his own, I guess, but they are a very small minority.
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Yes, I have heard the same about western women posted to Russia or Eastern Europe, sometimes accompanying their boyfriends. It doesn't take long before the BF dumps her for some hot Russian babe who really knows how to please a man. Then the western woman is very lonely for the next few years running out the clock. Some ramp up their game to get some attention - but let's face it, why would an ex-pat guy bother with an ex-pat girl? Far better to date local poon.
I wonder if these women behave any differently when they get back home?
Do they try to become more competitive? Or just bitter?[/QUOTE]
I think it all depends. I've seen personal ads from Western Men (usually American) looking for American Women in Europe. Some people just can't deal with the cultural differences.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]So you are trying to say Colombia has better infrastructure/quality of life than the US. Overall or are you comparing our worst cities to their best which is Bogota. Try comparing it to NYC/LA/Denver/Portland then. The MOST happening city in the WORLD is NYC. Yeah the USA has ghettos. But they don't make up the majority of the country. Unlike any of the countries you guys talk about having great women. But then you wouldn't be truthful about it anyway. Becos you have to justify your decisions to move to poor countries so you can be the big dog. Thats all fine. But don't kid yourself into thinking those countries are better just because you can get ez pussy. Only your dickhead would believe that.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience. [quote=Ezinho]I'm not a financial advisor, but I would suggest people actually get OUT of the U.S. dollar. Buying gold and silver are good options, but even other major currencies (Euro, Yen, Swiss Franc, Won, Singapore/HK $, etc) are a better bet than USD[/quote] Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience. Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.[/QUOTE]
Our water is actually fairly safe I wouldn't say its perfect but given the circumstances its fine. If you have concerns still put a filter on your tap. The biggest crock was companies like Coke telling people how un-pure the tap water was.
In some cases you do have fracking which leaks methane gas into pockets of fresh underground water and then you can light the water on fire. I'm sure you have seen the videos.
So its not perfect but 99% of major metro water systems have water safe to drink, there's nothing to debate.
I would also say the infrastructure though crumbling is light years ahead of Eastern Europe, most of Asia and most of South America. Only Western Europe and Japan has equaled us or surpassed us. Much of the products and services we take for granted in the States is very expensive or not even available in these developing nations.
The key however is the woman you're plucking out of obscurity is not some greedy, idealogical b*tch. Its YOUR job to find out what kind of woman you're involved with and understand that during the courtship process they are on their best behavior. Many men overlook subtle details that will lead to much larger problems like concerns about lifestyle and money.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So its not perfect but 99% of major metro water systems have water safe to drink, there's nothing to debate.[/QUOTE]I do not have a problem with water in USA, it is probably the last thing I would be concerned.
But during the past 10 years or so I see more and more ugly girls. You can even see girls/boys in early teens, they are already very overweight and their skin looks like a 30-40 year old
So I would assume they do not even have time to become like that(ot do they?), are they born like that? Is it water, food, medicine, genetics or combination of everything?
Other countries also start having similar issues, but USA is way ahead.
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US Based Personal Sites = TRASH HEAP
I can't help to say that. I find these sites dominated mostly by 30something divorcee almost always with children. The few that aren't are unbelievably narcissistic.
The 2-5 age different that many AW allow means my hands are tied.
I would like to hear some tales of woe, I know there a few here.
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Thank you! Someone was on here telling lies about how you can't drink the tap water out of half of the faucets in the country. A lie. I have been to almost every state in the Union (not Alaska or Hawaii) and have never had this experience. Yep, you sure are right about that. You aren't a financial advisor. The HK$ has been anchored by the US$ since October 1983 at the rate of 7.75:1. and it has never moved since then. Um, OK. Buying Japanese yen. A country that has a lower credit rating than Botswana and over 200% Debt:GDP? The Eurozone: They have some serious problems. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg. The won: Is the Korean won a major currency? I didn't know. Neither is the Singapore dollar. You really ought to go over your notes.[/QUOTE]
Anybody who invested heavily in the Real in 2004 made a KILLING in the following years... the COP is almost as strong these days and only going to get stronger...
I lived in NYC for 11 years, I find Bogota a much easier place to live in many ways, and MORE FUN! The nightlife here kicks the shit out of NYC.... up and down and every which way... not to mention theater, art, restaurants etc. this city has it all... the only thing I miss from NYC is my kids... AND the women.... forget it!
There are plenty of places in the US where the tap water is not potable... the only thing missing here as an Interstate like highway system between cities, which is actually being built, but I think they shoulda gone with a train system instead, cars are fucking stupid...
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And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED...
Man, I used to love looking at porn when i lived in the US, now why would I even BOTHER??? :P the only time I watch porn now is when I'm here with a girl and we want to get a new idea for something :p
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED.[/QUOTE]What's interesting, lots of people in NYC look better than in most other parts of USA. They are more fit, able to dress and more open minded. There are also lots of foreigners in Manhattan, in Brooklyn in particular many girls from FSU. There are also "prepagos" available for a reasonable price. So NYC does not look as bad as other parts of the country. If you think NYC sucks and women are out of shape there, imaging what is in other places, you definitely do not want to see it unless you want to puke a lot.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Why are you so afraid to tell us the name of this utopia of yours.
Is it possible because you know it cant compare to the US?[/QUOTE]I have already mentioned it here several times, it is Central Asia. Because you do not know it, it does not mean "utopia" does not exist. I'm not here to advertise it, only to let people know that there are a still different choices in the world. Of course nothing is perfect. But most of those things what an average American needs everyday is available now in many places in the World.
Life of 0.1-1%(or so) of the people in the USA is probably is not too bad. Maybe those guys can get some of better USA women and other things, although it is also under a doubt. Those guys can easily be "punished" if they go out of the line (recent cases HP, T.Woods, etc..)
But the chances of a regular guy to become one of those in USA are probably very slim, no matter how hard he tries. Of course it is the general politics to make people work their ass in order to achieve something one day, but most will get not much except BS.
I see nothing wrong if one can take shortcuts and get something faster and easier, than he would do it in USA since the life is not unlimited.
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Interesting Expatiate Calculator
I found this calculator on Lifehacker.
According to it, its 20% cheaper to live in Bogota than Los Angeles. RT.com mentioned the median home price in Manhattan is $900K (apartment) no wonder HGTV is doing "Selling New York" show.
But these things are reflective of what the local currency can buy. Over on the Costa Rica Expat forums people complain about cellular handset prices, tanks of propane for BBQ's and other items that are easily found for less in America. I also find many expats receive "Care Packages" or make regular trips back to America because of this.
Its not surprising that housing is affordable in South America. But its also affordable in Berlin, Germany for example. It just depends on the local economic makeup.
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Just Curious
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]And let me just say this, every time I go back to NYC to visit my kids, I'm DISGUSTED... with the way people look and how rude and ghetto and nasty they are and how they can't fucking dress or talk or nothing... and the women are all out of shape and just plain BUSTED...
Man, I used to love looking at porn when i lived in the US, now why would I even BOTHER??? :P the only time I watch porn now is when I'm here with a girl and we want to get a new idea for something :p[/QUOTE]Where were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)
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Been back in the Yew Ess for ten days now. What a mess. People are nice enough but the women have no style, no sexuality, and are just tatted up masses of blubber. I need a harpoon. I did fuck some Native American chick who came up to me on the street when I was walking home. She said, "Can I ask you something? Is it safe around here at night?" I said I did not know since I was not from around there. She kind of hesitated and then said, "Can you give me anything? A cigarette?" So I said I did not smoke but that if she wanted to come back to my apartment and have sex I could give her $50. She said okay. The sex was okay but then she asked me if she could spend the night = homeless. I chucked her out and now I'm kinda nervous she might come back. I have no deadbolt here and am kind of afraid of getting burglarized. And no, I can't put in a deadbolt as this is a furnished apartment in a weekly hotel.
And they are loud and crude, swearing on the bus and in the grocery store. My female co-workers are very nice but also very fat. Fat fat fat.
However I am making lots of $$$, even more than I had expected. 10 days down, 248 to go.
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Where were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
NYC water is very good actually, although overchlorinated...
ALL of NYC has ugly women compared to Colombia....
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]NYC water is very good actually, although overchlorinated...
ALL of NYC has ugly women compared to Colombia....[/QUOTE]Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.[/QUOTE]
I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.[/QUOTE]Why would "stacked" be such a priority when looking for a life mate? if you need just boobs, you can be happy with an American woman or just get a working girl any time with any size you want.
You can meet lots of FSU girls in USA on love.mail.ru who knows, maybe u find the biyotch of your life there
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What is FSU?
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I found a stacked FSU girl in NYC on one of the IR web sites I frequent. I haven't seen her profile lately she likely been taken off the market.
Stacked and FSU don't come up often, model-type bodies are usually accepted and expected I guess. That is the one thing I have to give up when considering a FSU girl. Yeah you can find the occasional top heavy girl, but finding arse is like searching for the unicorn it doesn't exist. All you can hope for is a decent bubble and a little shape after children.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What is FSU?[/QUOTE]Former Soviet Union. Of course some people use the word "Russian", but it is not very accurate, since there are about 100 nationalities in the area which used to be USSR, but since they have something in common such as good looks and attitude, FSU or Soviet would be a better word.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What is FSU?[/QUOTE]
Former Soviet Union. An acronym I heard again and again in the IC (Intelligence Community). :p
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Brooklyn has for sure beatiful girls. They are from FSU. Many live there and also students on work and travel program.[/QUOTE]
They don't hold a cande to women here.... they're nice by American standards, which doesn't say much really....
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]They don't hold a candle to women here.... they're nice by American standards, which doesn't say much really....[/QUOTE]I guess it is a matter of personal taste. Actually I already know a number of Colombians who bring women from Russia to Colombia. There is a bunch of them in Bogota and few so far in Medellin. I was kinda surprised why would they do that since they got their own quality women, but looks like it is considered "cool". The general tendency is to bring a natural blond to Colombia. One Colombian brought a blond woman, his friends saw her, and asked him to find for them the same.. Here is a video about FSU women and the high-heels "culture" and how westerners see it:
[url]http://www.firstinternationalguide.com/russia/russian-women/sexy-high-heeled-girls-on-russias-streets.html[/url]
Regarding American standards, it looks like that anything that has few holes and a little more beautiful than pregnant pig is nice. I saw another day at a party a good-looking guy, very fit, also intelligent. His wife is pretty disgusting whale, although they are only in their late 20s, not sure who this kinda shit happens.
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So when I got here I bought a monthly bus pass for $15. Then I found out I can ride free as a benefit of my employment. The bus pass is probably not supposed to be transferable but it has no picture or serial number on it so I decided to give it to the first person who wanted it. I asked an AW if she wanted it. She pointed to the sticker and said, "It's expired." I said, "No, it is good for a month [b]from[/b] that date." She said, "Oh," grabbed it out of my hand, and walked away. No thank you involved. Fucken kunt.
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People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Why would "stacked" be such a priority when looking for a life mate? if you need just boobs, you can be happy with an American woman or just get a working girl any time with any size you want.
You can meet lots of FSU girls in USA on love.mail.ru who knows, maybe u find the biyotch of your life there[/QUOTE]
LOL, I don't "Need" boobs I just like them. I'm not like D-Cups :)
There are FSU chicks in LA, I think rather have them from the source.
Girls in America (any girls) are like Forest Gump and a box of chocolates...
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[QUOTE=Helpmann]Where were you living? What neighborhood in NYC has lots of ugly women and undrinkable water? I'll be sure to avoid that shit hole.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]Most of New York is nasty, ghetto and rude, Bango is right, I spent a few years there, glad I do not live in that hellpit.
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[QUOTE=Theystolemyname]People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.[/QUOTE]
I would say some of the stuff said around here is borderline racist I would agree with that.
I live in a very cosmopolitan city - Los Angeles
There all types of women here. Hot Button BS like vilifying Mexicans and Central Americans coming across our Southern Boarder is racist period. I just started talking too a Austrian woman who did the "Marry A Friend So I Can Get Permanent Residency" route. She of Blue Eyes and Blonde hair is not being talked about when you're talking about immigration issues in America.
That's the second woman I have known who's done that.
That's how upside-down our politics are here.
I have dated European born and raised women here in LA with varying amounts of success. This is what got me started looking outside the country. These women tend to be less materialistic and neurotic as you mentioned.
But I kept having problems finding a woman that had everything I wanted physically and mentally. Its not out of whack either. I just know I can attract some fairly good looking women, the rub has been they needed to back away from the dinner table. If not that, then honest mistakes like forgetting my wallet at home gets the first date cut short and no return phone calls. Then finally the overabundance of Single Mothers. But I'm kind of softening my stance on that because that's one of the ONLY ways I can get a AW under 30 since these women are looking for maturity and stability they are not getting from a majority of men near their own age.
So just playing Process of Elimination. I'm not done playing it, I need to experience South America.
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[QUOTE=Theystolemyname]People who argue (or worse make absolute statements) about the quality or attractiveness of ALL women from a particular country or area vs. ALL women from another particular country or area are stupid and/or ignorant. And possibly racist.
Every place has beautiful women. Every place has ugly women. Lots of beautiful women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. Lots of ugly women in New York, Colombia, and Russia. And everywhere else. There is no shortage of either anywhere in the world. If you disagree with me you're an idiot.
Personally I prefer not bothering with American women because they *tend* to be neurotic when it comes to relationships in general and sex in particular, and they are also often very jaded and difficult to please compared to women from other countries. That's a cultural and social thing, though. And every girl is different so I don't like to generalize that much.
Culture aside, there are still many many absolutely stunning women who hold American passports. And regardless of your "type" you will find something to like in the country. One of the good things about the USA is that it's the most diverse place on Earth. Women of every shape and size and color there in abundance.
Still, I prefer shopping for girls in other countries. As I'm sure most people here do given the nature of this website.[/QUOTE]So you kinda contradict yourself. First you say there are beautiful women everywhere (which is partially true, the % of them differ), then you say you prefer them somewhere else, not in USA. Which is understandable, but funny. Some people say that women are the same everywhere, which is also funny.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Most of New York is nasty, ghetto and rude, Bango is right, I spent a few years there, glad I do not live in that hellpit.[/QUOTE]This is really funny. From what I have seen, Probably about 20 USA states, also 25 countries, NYC is one of the best(or least worse) places in the USA. So the rest of the country is much much worse than that.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]There are FSU chicks in LA, I think rather have them from the source.
S[/QUOTE]Me too. I have net a bunch of them in USA, there are different from what's at home. Lots of money diggers, but at least can be god fuckers. When are you going there? I got a one-way ticket in 2 weeks.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]This is really funny. From what I have seen, Probably about 20 USA states, also 25 countries, NYC is one of the best(or least worse) places in the USA. So the rest of the country is much much worse than that.[/QUOTE]
That's the sad part, is that you're absolutely right!
I live in Bogota but man, when you get out of here and go to the smaller cities, it's incredible.. for some reason the men get uglier and the women get even better! That's the ultimate life if you can have it, live here during the week and hop on a plane on Friday afternoon and go somewhere hot and sweaty and sexy!!
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]So you kinda contradict yourself. First you say there are beautiful women everywhere (which is partially true, the % of them differ), then you say you prefer them somewhere else, not in USA. Which is understandable, but funny. Some people say that women are the same everywhere, which is also funny.[/QUOTE]I didn't contradict myself at all. Just because American women can be and often are beautiful doesn't mean I want to date them. And just because I prefer looking for girls in other countries doesn't mean I wouldn't date an American girl.
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[QUOTE=Theystolemyname]I didn't contradict myself at all. Just because American women can be and often are beautiful doesn't mean I want to date them. And just because I prefer looking for girls in other countries doesn't mean I wouldn't date an American girl.[/QUOTE]Also, the differences in percentages are negligible in my opinion. Though, sure, there are differences.
And though women everywhere are different in some ways, they are also similar in many others. I argue with women all the time who try to tell me the reason they can't fuck me is because of their culture, because that's always bullshit. Every country, even Saudi Arabia, has a few sluts. Every country, even the UK or the Netherlands or the USA, has a few girls who are uptight prudes that are saving themselves for marriage. Individual choice matters more than and can always overrule cultural background.
That said. It certainly is much much easier getting sex in a place like Thailand or The Philippines than it is somewhere like the Middle East.
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Priorities change...
Recently I told a friend of mine how when we were younger, we were more worried about people thinking our girlfriends were fat or a little funny looking. Nowadays, I worry more about having my friends think my girlfriend is a head case.
Sometimes I think about a gap-toothed, no neck girl back in high school who probably had an awesome pussy.
I leave for a trip Argentina in a few days. Mentioned this to the girl helping me at Radio Shack, and this chunky customer about my age lit up and said she had family down there. An American girl, she had calves the size of canned hams.
We shot the breeeze for a little and then I split. Thought in retrospect I maybe should have got her phone number. She could've looked good doggy style.
The bad thing about some American girls is that we may have first date sex and enjoy it, but then they act like they have our leg caught in a bear trap.
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[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm[/url]
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it!
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[QUOTE=Jon32][url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm[/url]
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it![/QUOTE]
Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning, but for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
But for me as I have said many times age is not the restriction and a recent scanning of personal ads confirmed that its tough to get a woman even with children under 30 that's interested in a guy who's 40 but may not look it.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning.[/QUOTE]Stunning? I'm not sure about that. 140lbs is 64kg - a lot! (not in USA of course)
I would say 120 max for a height 5.8 can be stunning in FSU
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]But for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
But for me as I have said many times age is not the restriction and a recent scanning of personal ads confirmed that its tough to get a woman even with children under 30 that's interested in a guy who's 40 but may not look it.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of 170lbs, 5"4 women in USA. In general it is really overweight, and you can easily find such chicks without kids and much younger than you. And there is not much need to go overseas if such sizes are alright for you.
One my friend married an 18 y.o. fat girl in USA. he is close to 40.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it![/QUOTE]One out of the 30% is not too accurate. How about the age? You probably have some age preferences, right?
[url]http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age.html[/url]
For example, if you want to meet a women from 20 to 30 or from 30 to 40 y.o., then you look at about 7-8% of women according to the chart above.
If 30% of those 8% are not fat, then you're left with only 2-3%
Now how many of the 3% are single, good-looking (not fat still does not mean they look good), not lesbians, not disabled(physically and mentally) and with good attitude?
So the chances look really slim, very close to 0.
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[QUOTE=Jon32][url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm[/url]
Quick stats...
34% of Americans are obese
34% of Americans are overweight
That means about 70% of American women are FAT.
Poor bastards over there don't even stand a chance. Say you meet one of the 30% that is normal weight. Chances she is has a good attitude? Forget about it![/QUOTE]
You can blame the U.S. Food industry for these frightening statistics. The food's we get in our supermarkets are completely devoid of the proper nutrients. All we get are genetically modified vegetables, fruits, growth hormones in our meats, diary products, added sugars from corn syrup etc. I cannot imagine what U.S health care costs are going to be 10-15 years down the road. I was visiting one of the emerging economies recently for about 6 weeks and was amazed at the difference in the nutrient values of the fruits and vegetables I was eating. I lost a heck of a lot of weight without much effort.
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It's not just them...
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Well I don't kick women that are only a few pounds to the curb. What happens his women get liberal with that description. An FSU chick around 130-140lbs is still stunning, but for an America women, that's dangerously close to Mendoza territory. Then again most AW tend to be built more like Bikini Models than most Slavic girls and for that's a rub I'm trying to reconcile with.
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4..[/QUOTE]
Well, if you are prepared to consider 5'5" and 170 lbs, there may still be some available in those sizes. I think most guys would draw the line a couple of stone lower. By the way, I looked at these stats and found that the worst increases (over a decade or so) were amongst black and hispanic women and youth (white women only increased marginally in obesity).
But of course the other side of the equation is men, who are not really much better, statistically speaking.
Last weekend I spent a lazy summer morning in my city's downtown market, where the cafes are, watching the mass of early morning humanity go by, and I have to say it was not a pretty sight. I probably observed a couple of thousand people, and they (we) were a sorry lot. Overweight, yes, but equally ugly and poorly dressed - these attributes applying to men and women alike. How did we descend to become such a slovenly society?
Out of the thousand or more women I only saw a few (like 2 - 4) who were even marginally desirable. Maybe a dozen or so if looking through sufficiently powerful beer googles. None worth paying for - out of a thousand+ in the entertainment district in the centre of my nation's capital city!! And as I say, the men were no better in their t-shirts, baseball caps and sock & sandal combos. It is a wonder we reproduce at all. Some of these people probably could have been presentable if dressed decently, but NONE would have been a head-turner even then.
Compare this with walking down any busy street in Eastern Europe (sorry, don't know about street candy in other mongering destinations), where half of the women are doable, lots are stunning, and there are always some to die for! And frankly, even the black-shirted, flat-topped faux-mafiso types (i.e. all Russian males under 40) look better than most of the men I saw in my city.
My point is simply that it is not just AW (or in this case, Canadian women) who are the problem. North American males are just as pathetic - except us mongers who are fit, stylish and always ready for action!
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Well, if you are prepared to consider 5'5" and 170 lbs, there may still be some available in those sizes. I think most guys would draw the line a couple of stone lower. By the way, I looked at these stats and found that the worst increases (over a decade or so) were amongst black and hispanic women and youth (white women only increased marginally in obesity).
But of course the other side of the equation is men, who are not really much better, statistically speaking.
Last weekend I spent a lazy summer morning in my city's downtown market, where the cafes are, watching the mass of early morning humanity go by, and I have to say it was not a pretty sight. I probably observed a couple of thousand people, and they (we) were a sorry lot. Overweight, yes, but equally ugly and poorly dressed - these attributes applying to men and women alike. How did we descend to become such a slovenly society?
Out of the thousand or more women I only saw a few (like 2 - 4) who were even marginally desirable. Maybe a dozen or so if looking through sufficiently powerful beer googles. None worth paying for - out of a thousand+ in the entertainment district in the centre of my nation's capital city!! And as I say, the men were no better in their t-shirts, baseball caps and sock & sandal combos. It is a wonder we reproduce at all. Some of these people probably could have been presentable if dressed decently, but NONE would have been a head-turner even then.
Compare this with walking down any busy street in Eastern Europe (sorry, don't know about street candy in other mongering destinations), where half of the women are doable, lots are stunning, and there are always some to die for! And frankly, even the black-shirted, flat-topped faux-mafiso types (i.e. all Russian males under 40) look better than most of the men I saw in my city.
My point is simply that it is not just AW (or in this case, Canadian women) who are the problem. North American males are just as pathetic - except us mongers who are fit, stylish and always ready for action![/QUOTE]
There's a Slavic girl on a certain Single's Tour Web site with HUGE at least Double D if not larger boobs and clocks in at 154lbs, still with a classic Coke shape and all of 25.
Most likely not what most men looking for Slavic women want, but if I was in a position to go, I'd contact her, why not? She's pretty overall.
@170lbs you're getting into big hips and thighs area, which is fairly normal in America actually. Sure I would love thinner as I said several times these are not hard and fast rules, I would love to have a model thin girl which is why I'm willing to give up some ass and tittie for 100-150lbs and over 5'4
About local women however, I'll only even consider AW if an attractive woman accepts me at my worst which where I am currently (unemployed) AND living at home.
HIGHLY UNLIKELY, I'm more likely to get read the riot act about how much of a looser I am. I recently told a British transplant who's now a US Citizen all the above plus she is allergic to Cat Dander. So I failed, not sure if its the Cat Dander or the other stuff, but she said Cat Dander and wished me luck, this was a fairly attractive 41yr old woman, not fat, professional hairdresser lived in Hollywood.
It can't get any worst than it is right now. I am just biding my time starting school in a week (I hope). I could bang this really fat 30yr old girl. She's hanging out with her cousin from out of town for the next week or two. Maybe I might do it when I have her undivided attention. She hit me up first saying most guys don't wanna talk to her. Well no sh*t, but sensing some (a) desperation on her account (b) aggressive behavior (constantly contacting me first), she wants of course a relationship like all women do, but I am not giving a BBW a relationship I did that once, once is enough. But as a companion and likely sex partner, I guess she could be ugly too, she's not.
And they say were likely to double dip.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
In fact I don't mind a girl to around 170lbs as long as they are over 5'4
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I attached a picture of a 170 pound woman.
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I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm 6'0 nearly 6'1 and 185-190lbs. I love thinner women and on occasion I have landed a few. But as you know Black Men get a fair amount of attention from overweight women, you know the drill.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. [/QUOTE]
Oops. I meant "AW".
I too get attention from overweight women; it is unwanted. I choose to ignore them, as I find them to be repulsive.
Just my taste, that's all. No criticism intended as to the taste of others.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]I guess 5'5" 170 would be low average for an AM. To me that's just plain disgustingly obese. Now I understand how a woman with those dimensions describes herself as "average" or "medium". Too many AM have those standards and expectations, plus most probably also have a weight problem. I'm 5"10" and 164. Why would I wish to be crushed by a hippo who is shorter than I yet weighs more?!
Used to have a girlfriend who was 5'6" and 116, AW of Nordic descent. Current Japanese girlfriend is 5' and 97. Both of them have lovely proportionate feminine curves.[/QUOTE]5'5" 170 is really obese to me too. I would not want to be crashed by a hippo either. American standards are really messed up.
Some chicks which I date in FSU, I guess they would look anorexic for America:
5"2" 88 lbs
5"6 110lbs
5'8" 120lbs
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Oops. I meant "AW".
I too get attention from overweight women; it is unwanted. I choose to ignore them, as I find them to be repulsive.
Just my taste, that's all. No criticism intended as to the taste of others.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between being slightly overweight (which is what I would call women over 5'4 and over 150lbs but under 190lbs) and a whale. I tend to turn them down as well, but it comes with a price, less sex.
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5'4" and 135 is slightly overweight. 5'4" and 150 is fat. 5'4" and 190 is obese. Yuck.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]5'4" and 135 is slightly overweight. 5'4" and 150 is fat. 5'4" and 190 is obese. Yuck.[/QUOTE]
True but the women I usually date are closer to 5'8
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My bad. I missed the word "over." 5'8" woman should be around 140 or so, maybe 145. My goodness, women are significantly fatter in the US even than when I left seven years ago. Lots of fat men too but I don't notice much of a significant change there. Of course, there are a lot of Native Americans here and obesity is just rampant among them (as are acne, myopia, alcoholism, meth, etc; not a pretty sight).
In addition to what the previous poster wrote about everyone in the US dressing like shit, posture is terrible. Swearing in public, such as on public transit, is very obnoxious especially when done at high volume while talking on one's cell phone.
In general, returning after seven years, I have this to say to American women and American men:
Pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid T-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
Clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]5'5" 170 is really obese to me too. I would not want to be crashed by a hippo either. American standards are really messed up.
Some chicks which I date in FSU, I guess they would look anorexic for America:
5"2" 88 lbs
5"6 110lbs
5'8" 120lbs[/QUOTE]
Actually the opposite happens, they attract attention because of their weight or lack thereof. Given how most FSU women dress at home, heals, skirts, dresses, etc; They can shop in the Young Ms section and that makes many AW positivity green with rage and jealously.
I see many FSU that are size zero to maybe 4-5, almost all under 140lbs. The ladies that "heavy" are around 5'9 usually or over 30, where you just have natural weight gain.
I never liked really short women (5'4 and below), I've always loved women around eye level 5'8-6'0.
All you have to do is cruise around your typical US based web site and many of the women are 15-20lbs overweight if not worst. That is the majority.
Seems every women that contacts me online is FAT, not slightly overweight, except on LL :)
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]My bad. I missed the word "over." 5'8" woman should be around 140 or so, maybe 145. My goodness, women are significantly fatter in the US even than when I left seven years ago. Lots of fat men too but I don't notice much of a significant change there. Of course, there are a lot of Native Americans here and obesity is just rampant among them (as are acne, myopia, alcoholism, meth, etc; not a pretty sight).
In addition to what the previous poster wrote about everyone in the US dressing like shit, posture is terrible. Swearing in public, such as on public transit, is very obnoxious especially when done at high volume while talking on one's cell phone.
In general, returning after seven years, I have this to say to American women and American men:
Pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid T-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
Clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.[/QUOTE]
The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "wtf yall looking at motherfuckers?" ..... then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it... nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could NEVER live there again...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "WTF yall looking at motherfuckers? ". Then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it. Nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could never live there again.[/QUOTE]I'm sure all those drug gang teenagers in Colombia. Are very courteous about shooting and robbing you. Theyuse proper etiquitte when they rob you.
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For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
If americans really loved skinny girls as you guys. EE and SEA countries would be high on the tourist list. But the most visited countries are the ones with fattest women outside of the USA namely the UK and France. And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
CYA and have fun living in your newly found havens. But there are millions who are not only happy but think they have it the best in the world. In america you are a tiny minority. But to each his own.
TG
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The best was riding the train in NYC back to catch a plane the last time I was there a couple months ago.
This totally ghetto group of teenage kids were all sitting next to me, screaming at the top of their lungs, talking about their buddies who got locked up so all of us got to hear it, arguing about stupid shit, then two of the boys got in a fist fight and one of them started crying, the older girl started cussing them out and then said to the rest of us in the train car "WTF yall looking at motherfuckers? ". Then one of the nasty little primates let loose the nastiest fart I've ever smelled and everyone was laughing about it. Nuuuuuuuuuu thank you, I could NEVER live there again.[/QUOTE]The sad thing about New York is that there are millions of people that behave like those thugs you met in the train but there are millions who are not like that and have to endure such barbaric behavior among their fellow citizens but such idiotic behavior is not confined to NYC, I just came back from San Francisco, I ran into a teenage boy and girl who were reenacting the UFC in an electronics store but when I walked by the boy at least had some courtesy to say excuse me and yelled at his girlfriend for acting out in a public place, so yes they behaved stupidly but the boy had the decency to say excuse me, I doubt I would hear a pair like that do the same in NYC. I am actually in the process of helping a friend in NY get out of there and migrate to Australia. We have are own share of bad characters in Oz but in general you can easily avoid them unlike in NY where trouble will find you.
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The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY!
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY![/QUOTE]
I would say this is largely correct.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
If americans really loved skinny girls as you guys. EE and SEA countries would be high on the tourist list. But the most visited countries are the ones with fattest women outside of the USA namely the UK and France. And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
CYA and have fun living in your newly found havens. But there are millions who are not only happy but think they have it the best in the world. In america you are a tiny minority. But to each his own.
TG[/QUOTE]
I'll bite but you make it sound like we are just complaining and should leave, you don't happen to be Libertarian or Republican/NeoCon?
I happen to think my best chance as passed me by, my best opportunities lost. The best looking woman I've ever been involved with hadn't seen me in person before. She was only disappointed because as is often said, Luck is made when preparation meets opportunity. I was unprepared and unemployed at the time. If I had $100 I could have closed that deal, I couldn't even borrow $30 from so-called "Friends". That was 1995!
Another woman that was putty in my hands was a French-Canadian girl I met on mIRC, that was 1994/1995.
Since then, I should have left my ex for a woman down in San Diego or a woman that lived in Ventura. I did neither I stood pat was still unhappy and when I finally decided to let her go, it was 2 years later. (1996-1999)
So from 2000-2010, its gotten progressively worst. Nothing but Single Mothers and BBW's. Women without children are not interested in me for whatever reason. I think its because these women want LTR and so do I just not with their children. So I've been reluctant to commit and the one woman I would have accepted her young son, rebuffed me in Oslo, Norway.
I can't explain childless women, likely because I live at home, but to be honest I don't think that would be a marked improvement if I did move, at least nobody I wanna be with that I have seen, just old ass women, unless you consider mid 30's viable and I really don't.
Since AW only like a 2-5 year age difference and tolerate 7-10 years ONLY when they have children or over 40, in which case all the older women want younger men, not Cougars just don't want a guy that's 50 when they are 40, they want 30-40 men. Single mothers its obvious, stability is their concern.
So TG what am I suppose to do? I don't want to date women over 30, let alone over 35. I have a mild interest in a Austrian woman who's 35, married for a Green Card and is a UCLA student. I haven't heard from her this week, this is likely because classes have started, who knows. She's mmm hot (Blonde, Blue Eyes, been on TV in her home country). I sense an opportunity but I fear my economic situation will be my undoing once again.
So I have picked a plan that just might work. It involves either South America (less likely) or Eastern Europe. It has to work because I feel this is it, I have about a 5 year window total about a 2-3 year window to make it happen. It also might involve relocation as I think as the US slides further into Depression and likely to double dip (40% chance according to Dr Doom) and it will be awhile for a full recovery (2015 many are saying if not longer).
Once I know I will be able to visit women at any given time (within reason) I will start to contact women on the two or three web sites that are low cost. The other tactic will be some sort of agency or service. I'm learning towards a specialized service that's affordable and away from the agencies in general.
Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I'll bite but you make it sound like we are just complaining and should leave, you don't happen to be Libertarian or Republican/NeoCon?
I happen to think my best chance as passed me by, my best opportunities lost. The best looking woman I've ever been involved with hadn't seen me in person before. She was only disappointed because as is often said, Luck is made when preparation meets opportunity. I was unprepared and unemployed at the time. If I had $100 I could have closed that deal, I couldn't even borrow $30 from so-called "Friends". That was 1995!
Another woman that was putty in my hands was a French-Canadian girl I met on mIRC, that was 1994/1995.
Since then, I should have left my ex for a woman down in San Diego or a woman that lived in Ventura. I did neither I stood pat was still unhappy and when I finally decided to let her go, it was 2 years later. (1996-1999)
So from 2000-2010, its gotten progressively worst. Nothing but Single Mothers and BBW's. Women without children are not interested in me for whatever reason. I think its because these women want LTR and so do I just not with their children. So I've been reluctant to commit and the one woman I would have accepted her young son, rebuffed me in Oslo, Norway.
I can't explain childless women, likely because I live at home, but to be honest I don't think that would be a marked improvement if I did move, at least nobody I want to be with that I have seen, just old ass women, unless you consider mid 30's viable and I really don't.
Since AW only like a 2-5 year age difference and tolerate 7-10 years ONLY when they have children or over 40, in which case all the older women want younger men, not Cougars just don't want a guy that's 50 when they are 40, they want 30-40 men. Single mothers its obvious, stability is their concern.
So TG what am I suppose to do? I don't want to date women over 30, let alone over 35. I have a mild interest in a Austrian woman who's 35, married for a Green Card and is a UCLA student. I haven't heard from her this week, this is likely because classes have started, who knows. She's mmm hot (Blonde, Blue Eyes, been on TV in her home country). I sense an opportunity but I fear my economic situation will be my undoing once again.
So I have picked a plan that just might work. It involves either South America (less likely) or Eastern Europe. It has to work because I feel this is it, I have about a 5 year window total about a 2-3 year window to make it happen. It also might involve relocation as I think as the US slides further into Depression and likely to double dip (40% chance according to Dr Doom) and it will be awhile for a full recovery (2015 many are saying if not longer).
Once I know I will be able to visit women at any given time (within reason) I will start to contact women on the two or three web sites that are low cost. The other tactic will be some sort of agency or service. I'm learning towards a specialized service that's affordable and away from the agencies in general.
Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.[/QUOTE]DJ. 1st Id say for what you bring to the table you shouldn't expect much. Why would any woman want to be with you. No job. Live with mommy. And over 30 without a degree. Now why would a beautiful 20 something want to be with you. What do you have to offer. Id don't say this to flame. But be real. Do expect a woman to settle. When their are obviously thousands of better choices than you.
Realistically you better lower your standards and face reality. Countries all over are having economic problems. Immigration for work is being tightened everywhere. You will not have any experience in a specialized field so. It is unlikely that you will be able to gain employment in any of those cities. And if you bring a young girl from any country to L. A.. It won't be long before she realizes you are living at the bottom of the barrel and will leave for a younger probably with a better income.
Your best bet is to search for a woman. Any woman. (children or not). And if they two of you can get along personality wise. Forget the rest and be happy. Beauty is fleeting and fades with age anyway. Guys who marry for such only set themselves up for divorce. JMHO
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[quote=dickhead]pull your pants up, comb your hair, lose 50 pounds, lose the stupid t-shirts, tie your shoelaces, stop saying "like" every third word, cover your mouth when you cough or yawn, get all the shrapnel and scrap metal out of your lips and eyebrows, and stop chewing gum with your mouth open.
clean up your fucking act. 239 more days to go.[/quote]
most importantly, do not say awesome. that's for **** school girls, not adults.
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UK women just as fat
Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable. When one compares whats in Colombia and other parts of SA with what I saw there, at least I was able to tour through the old cities and stuff, in some ways the buildings are better looking than the women.
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UK women = AW who don't ever go to the dentist.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]The "US food industry" deserves perhaps 1% of the blame for the obesity epidemic. Many healthy food choices are available in US supermarkets, certainly more so than in Argentina, for example. People's personal choices are to blame. It's sad when parents don't provide good examples or good choices for their children. When did it become acceptable to serve soda pop at the dinner table, for example? Blame the sedentary lifestyle, the unwillingness to exercise, the inability to cook, and just plain ridiculous gluttony. Snack snack snack munch munch munch all day long, and then more pigging out in front of the TV. I don't eat sweets or junk food, I exercise almost every day, I don't own a car, and I read labels. I am not a vegetarian but my diet is built around grains and legumes. I don't count calories and I drink 8 or 10 beers a day, and I'm not fat. The "US food industry" is just a scapegoat for a lack of self-control and an unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
SOOOO-EY![/QUOTE]Very true, some fatties were suing McDonalds a few years back blaming them for getting fat. You have something called choice, as to what you put in your mouth. The sheeple do no realize this, and hence make horrible food choices. Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Furysys]Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable.[/QUOTE]I was in Barcelona one year ago. A similar experience. It was not as bad as USA yet, but I could hardly find a decently looking Spanish girl. I was with an FSU girlfriend so I did not care much, only made some observations. Most of the girls were either: with fat/thick legs and butts +nice face, or ok legs and ugly face, or everything just fat. The ones who looked good were normally from FSU, Brazil, etc.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.[/QUOTE]Costco amuses me when there I always see groups of nasty whales with huge carts full food, and they cannot even make it to home without a snack, they must stop by Costco cafeteria for several slices of pizza and a litre of Cola.
In Acme, there is also some "amusing" scenery. One my friend told me that there was a fat ass customer, she did not want to reach for a box from a shelf by herself. she yelled in a rude way at a counter worker "hey, come here and give me that box".
Even those Acme workers who must had seen lots of shit before, were pissed and mad at that scank. She also had a child sitting in her cart. I guess the poor child has been also taught to be lazy ass not to walk.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Americans love to consume large amounts of crap in their diets. I met an American in Sydney who whined that she missed Costco, and could not buy a gallon of peanut butter. LOL.[/QUOTE]
I feel that's an unwarranted dig - I happen to be a native of the USA, and I also like peanut butter. Not by the gallon, though. :p
So many of us in the USA have predicated so much of our lives on "convenience" and on "raking in all we can get" that we've lost track of nutrition or balance in those lives.
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[QUOTE=Westy]I feel that's an unwarranted dig - I happen to be a native of the USA, and I also like peanut butter. Not by the gallon, though. :p
So many of us in the USA have predicated so much of our lives on "convenience" and on "raking in all we can get" that we've lost track of nutrition or balance in those lives.[/QUOTE]You sure got that right. I thought she was an idiot. And Costco actually does operate in Australia but has not been very successful, Australians do not see the point of buying gallons of crap like peanut butter.
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See, peanut butter is an okay food [b]in moderation[/b]. I believe it is the most calorically dense food available (calories per ounce), so that makes it handy on camping trips and so forth. But, it has 16 grams of fat for every I believe it is 7 grams of protein. Calories per gram of protein and the protein/fat ratio are two things I always look at when making food choices. And as guys we need to look at sodium because that can lead to high blood pressure, and high blood pressure medication can lead to a limp noodle.
I haven't missed a day of work in 17 years and I have not been to a doctor other than a dentist in six years, and I've been to the doctor about five times in the last twenty years. I drink like a fish, smoke as much weed as I can get my hands on (not much lately), keep irregular hours, etc., so the keys have to be diet and exercise.
Soda pop should have excise taxes similar to booze and cigarettes, I think. Also these fat fucks should pay more for health insurance.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I drink like a fish, smoke as much weed as I can get my hands on (not much lately), keep irregular hours, etc., so the keys have to be diet and exercise.[/QUOTE]What's interesting, also the Japanese drink and smoke a lot. Yet they have the longest life, and also the lowest obesity rate. Probably the key is that for many of them to have a car is luxury, they also eat good food and in moderation.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Either way, its solely focused on women that want to marry and have children, plain and simple, cut and dry. The only women in North America that motivated are women over 35 clinging to the chance to have children and of course single mothers. In EE I can for sure get 28-35 and push for up to 25 and get it. That is virtually impossible here.
If you can come up with a better scheme then let me know, but I know you can't.[/QUOTE]Have you tried the link love.mail.ru I posted some time ago? There is a bunch of FSU women who are already in USA. You may save yourself a lot of time and money, also it may cut off those prospects who will want you for green card only.
Regarding traveling to E.E. It is not a bad idea in general, but the bad news is that the longer you wait the more difficult it's gonna be.
The women there are getting more educated about the west, they have more money, they are more westernized, everybody has fast Internet access, etc... in Moscow many people have higher salaries than many Americans. Unless she is from some messed up village, many in the cities would not even wanna talk to Americans. Also some Americans have made a bad reputation there of being cheap asses.
So it is getting harder and harder to find something there for an average guy. Unless you wanna close the deal with an fat&ugly EE.W. you better have something to show to her such as good job, security, generosity etc.. They are not as naive as they used to be anymore. This sucks big time, but that's the reality.
I personally do not even wanna bother with E.E. For me it has been ruined during the past 10-15 years. I'm looking further east and south where still family and other traditions exist. Also feminism is not welcomed there.
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The food supply definitely has a lot to do with it.... I lost crazy weight here in Colombia without really having to work for it... and people here have a lot of bad habits too, but it doesn't make them fat fucks...
Of course the culture shock is another thing.... that's just unacceptable...
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I'm sure all those drug gang teenagers in Colombia. Are very courteous about shooting and robbing you. Theyuse proper etiquitte when they rob you.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's the opposite, the muggers here are very rude, whereas in the USA for some reason they try to pretend they're your friend first before pulling out the knife or gun... for some reason it runs 180 degrees contrary to what the prevailing culture is.... go figure...
And if they are in the business of selling drugs, they aren't going to rob you. They make more than enough money selling drugs to not have to do that. DOH!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The food supply definitely has a lot to do with it. I lost crazy weight here in Colombia without really having to work for it. And people here have a lot of bad habits too, but it doesn't make them fat fucks.
Of course the culture shock is another thing. That's just unacceptable.[/QUOTE]man I've been to Colombia and its not close to what you make it out to be. Woman are standoffish there too. Went to Medellin and the very first thing they tell you is to forget about women from poblado. Why is that?. Because they are not the poor girls. They have decent jobs or come from middle to upper income for Medellin and are tough to talk to just like AW.
Also its not like every woman you see is a head turner. I went all around the city day and night. Saw some beautiful girls. But saw a bunch of fuglies too.
The pickins to me were no better than in any other city. Actually girls in SEA seemed twice as nice as colombians when it comes to personality and you can find just as many beauties. If not more.
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Did they dress like...
Men also? I wonder, because AW’s stop caring about being feminine, you know, looking like women a few decades ago. Many, now because of their weight issues either wear very unflattering outfits. If they attempt to wear a dress, it looks more like a big top tent because they are so obese or they wear very masculine looking jeans and baggy shorts. Some even try sagging just like the young and old people trying to imitate the USA's prison inmate population, as if that was a "style".
I tell you, the more I leave the USA on my travels, the more I get depressed as far as the femininity of the women of the places I visit versus the lack of it by our AW's. The just don't act like they don't give a shit about how they look, they actually show you they don't give a crap about it.
This is why so many female delegations go overseas trying to inspire their sisters into becoming biotches just like them. I really hope they are not listening to this BS propaganda of the AW culture. Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few good looking AW's left; but have you spoken to them?
The good looking AW’s that I've spoken to have major, major hang-ups about the pursuit of fun and relationships. Besides the major headaches or basket cases that they truly are, most of them won't go down on you; I'd say at least 8 out of 10 won't. Oh, they will accept you going down on them all day, but won't reciprocate. They think sex is a means of getting what they want. When they think they are going to have their way and will give you a little bit of that starfish action, they just don't know how to let go and truly enjoy the experience.
Now, if you have ever seeing them in their holidays to say, anywhere in the Caribbean? They DO have the same drive and can be just as scandalous as us males in the USA! So, I don't understand their psychological make up, but I do recognize their hypocrisy when they criticize us for leaving the USA to have a great time. [QUOTE=Furysys]Just got back from 12 days in the UK, and was horrified. At least half of them are overweight, I'd put the same totals as what was reported on AWs, maybe 30% or so were a proper weight. And even the nicer looking ones dressed like $hit, unbelievable. When one compares whats in Colombia and other parts of SA with what I saw there, at least I was able to tour through the old cities and stuff, in some ways the buildings are better looking than the women.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]For every one whinning guy who doesn't like AW. There are 10 men and 20 women begging to come into America.
And even for latin countries its mexico. Which has to have the fattest women of latin america
So leave. You won't be missed and leave those who are happy with AW. Which obviously is the majority.
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TG865, the first step is denial...
I would rather have the opinions of people on this forum who explicity travel the world looking for beautiful women to fuck than America's backyard on where to go. ISG is an EXPERT place to ask and find where hot women are to bang. Everyone agrees it's not America.
Looks like at the top of the list the people that are "dying" to get into America are from 3rd world countries. You want to compare America with other industrialized nations for a standard of living it's not even close. That's why those people are not coming here.
And based solely on women I'd rather live in 7 of the countries on the list below than America anyway.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]TG865, the first step is denial...
I would rather have the opinions of people on this forum who explicity travel the world looking for beautiful women to fuck than America's backyard on where to go. ISG is an EXPERT place to ask and find where hot women are to bang. Everyone agrees it's not America.
Looks like at the top of the list the people that are "dying" to get into America are from 3rd world countries. You want to compare America with other industrialized nations for a standard of living it's not even close. That's why those people are not coming here.
And based solely on women I'd rather live in 7 of the countries on the list below than America anyway.[/QUOTE]First off basing a place to live solely on women. Is not what I would consider smart
The problem is you have to take all the rest those countries have to offer along with the women. Which is crappy 3rd world facilities, supply of food, medical services and the lack there of, lack of any serious security for you. How diligent would the police be. Even if you did report a crime. Without a payoff.
The top countries would be 3rd world countries. And 3rd world countries are usually the ones mongers talk about women looking and behaving the way they like women to act. You think there might be a correlation between poverity and the ability of a women to make it on her own. Yes the women act the way they do because of mainly necessity and that necessity has also instilled a culture of dependency on marriage and family. If not. Then why is it when these women get to a 1st country and given the opportunity the quickly embrace the attitudes and qualities of a 1st world woman. Its because economics and financial and legal means have empowered them.
The bottom line is we mongers. Myself included. Reap the benefits of economically disadvantage women. Pure and simple. If the economics were equal in these countries the woman would be much more selective. You don't read about mongers getting upper middle income women from these countries. Which would be equalivent to our middle income.
TG telling it like it is. Ya dig
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]DJ. 1st Id say for what you bring to the table you shouldn't expect much. Why would any woman want to be with you. No job. Live with mommy. And over 30 without a degree. Now why would a beautiful 20 something want to be with you. What do you have to offer. Id don't say this to flame. But be real. Do expect a woman to settle. When their are obviously thousands of better choices than you.
Realistically you better lower your standards and face reality. Countries all over are having economic problems. Immigration for work is being tightened everywhere. You will not have any experience in a specialized field so. It is unlikely that you will be able to gain employment in any of those cities. And if you bring a young girl from any country to L. A.. It won't be long before she realizes you are living at the bottom of the barrel and will leave for a younger probably with a better income.
Your best bet is to search for a woman. Any woman. (children or not). And if they two of you can get along personality wise. Forget the rest and be happy. Beauty is fleeting and fades with age anyway. Guys who marry for such only set themselves up for divorce. JMHO[/QUOTE]
As I thought no solution, sign my surrender and accept my current looser status, which is far from permanent, its only temporary.
You believe I offer no MATERIAL WEALTH which is why our flawed dating system doesn't work. Marring Daddy War-bucks is no guarantee of happiness either, I think that's what your saying. Developing from nothing to mega-millions status is no guarantee either (see Frank McCourt).
You said "Any Woman"? Are you sure you; Literary "Any Woman"?
So it matters not what I desire or that my desires are flawed because you believe I'm focused solely on looks when that's not the case? I just know that I am not ugly, I do attract beautiful women on occasion and its not fleeting.
Also having children is a big factor, why would I want to hook up with a woman that has 1 or 2 children and doesn't want anymore? This happens quite a bit when the woman is over 30 and the children are basically teenagers. These women feel their time for being Mommie is almost over and just riding it out until they leave for College.
Lastly, BBW's and if I don't wish them on you, you should not wish them on me.
So as I said, no solution, recipe for complete utter unhappiness.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Have you tried the link love.mail.ru I posted some time ago? There is a bunch of FSU women who are already in USA. You may save yourself a lot of time and money, also it may cut off those prospects who will want you for green card only.
Regarding traveling to E.E. It is not a bad idea in general, but the bad news is that the longer you wait the more difficult it's gonna be.
The women there are getting more educated about the west, they have more money, they are more westernized, everybody has fast Internet access, etc... in Moscow many people have higher salaries than many Americans. Unless she is from some messed up village, many in the cities would not even wanna talk to Americans. Also some Americans have made a bad reputation there of being cheap asses.
So it is getting harder and harder to find something there for an average guy. Unless you wanna close the deal with an fat&ugly EE.W. you better have something to show to her such as good job, security, generosity etc.. They are not as naive as they used to be anymore. This sucks big time, but that's the reality.
I personally do not even wanna bother with E.E. For me it has been ruined during the past 10-15 years. I'm looking further east and south where still family and other traditions exist. Also feminism is not welcomed there.[/QUOTE]
I get what your saying and I agree time is running out. I say in another decade it will be harder than it is now. Ukraine is getting pummeled with Western Men because of its lax Visa requirements. This is why I am considering Russia only, the Visa requirement means that tours by the largest of Western based companies have stopped having tours because of this alone.
I will have my economics situation solved by the time I go, do not worry. But the planning and research is necessary.
I also haven't given up on Western Europe. Goga Fong I will say this B, "Game Recognizes Game" Green Card Hunters and Gold Diggers will not get past me. I have seldom fallen for the "Okie Doke".
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I get what your saying and I agree time is running out. I say in another decade it will be harder than it is now. Ukraine is getting pummeled with Western Men because of its lax Visa requirements. This is why I am considering Russia only, the Visa requirement means that tours by the largest of Western based companies have stopped having tours because of this alone.
I will have my economics situation solved by the time I go, do not worry. But the planning and research is necessary.
I also haven't given up on Western Europe. Goga Fong I will say this B, "Game Recognizes Game" Green Card Hunters and Gold Diggers will not get past me. I have seldom fallen for the "Okie Doke".[/QUOTE]DJ you are just plain dillusional if you think in 5yrs time you will have enough money to live in another country. Starting from absolute nothing right now. You don't even have a job to get started today. What do you think you are going to jumb right into a lucrative paying job with no experience. Or that youd be able to jump out of school and overseas and get a job with no experience. Ludicrous. But keep dream. As jesse Jackson says. Keep hope alive.
I guess you were right. You in a looser world with little hope of escape. Your expectation and requirements have place you in a hole that you have little chance of escaping. Someday. You will realize you wasted a lot of time. Chasing a dream which was not meant to be.
Yes there are women with kids who don't want any more. But there are plenty in their 20s who have kids and would have more if they met the right person. Then you have women who might now be models. That have scrificed for a career, who are in their 30s with no kids looking to marry and raise a family. So their are options available. You just have to be open and opportunities are all around you. As far as available women. And they all are not fat. There are avg looking women with great bodies who just wanted a career.
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I never once have said ANYWHERE on this forum that Colombian women are easier than American women. As a matter of fact I've said the exact opposite. The women here are harder to get in bed with, they have higher standards and take a longer time before they give it up physically for a man ON AVERAGE. As a matter of fact, I have dated dozens of women here now since my last separation almost a year and a half ago... and not even among the few semi-pros I date, not ONE of them fucked on the first date.
HOWEVER.... the women here are better QUALITY. They are brighter, nicer, and much better in bed when they DO find you worthy of the deed. They are also much better looking on average, better dressed, better conversationalists, funnier, more well-informed etc. It's all about quality and not quality.
FURTHERMORE... the rich girls here are the sluttier ones (although almost always it's kept very much on the DL)... the poor ones are the ones more likely to be suspicious of any man not from their inner circle. This is probably why most Colombians have fucked at least one of their cousins. :P Not to mention the richer girls are more materialistic because they have to meet a very high monthly nut if they live in an expensive neighborhood, and often there just aren't the opportunities on the normal job market to make it happen. People who live in the poorer neighborhoods often live surprisingly OK, and they can do it on practically air... so it's a very different dynamic than what one might expect...
Most people have a very skewed perception of Colombia, especially as Americans, because they tend to believe all the bullshit their internet girlfriends tell them. One big truth about women here is that they lie through their teeth all the time, they lie pathologically, they even lie to themselves habitually. And men lie too, and the biggest shit talker gets the most pussy. Women here LOVE men who lie to them even more than they love lying.
And there is no such thing as a faithful relationship here in Colombia. People who think they are coming here to find June Fucking Cleaver are really REALLY barking up the wrong fucking tree. There is no marriage or any other relationship that matters two shits in the face of a few beers (and maybe some blow) and a nice body, or some cash flashed in a girl's face, or a good couple of pickup lines, or whatever combination of the three.
The medical care here is very good and I no longer have to be biting my nails living without insurance like I did in the USA. It costs me a whopping $32 a month for FULL COVERAGE, and I can get seen within a few days by the GP and usually within 1-2 weeks by the specialist. The food as I previously mentioned is so much better than the fucking GARBAGE people are forced to eat in the US I won't even get into it. Crime is bad but not to the point where it really affects my freedom to move about, I still go where I want and do what I want at the hour I want.
I'm here mainly for professional reasons, and I found many things I like way better about living here. The women (although harder to get) are just a bonus...
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]First off basing a place to live solely on women. Is not what I would consider smart
The problem is you have to take all the rest those countries have to offer along with the women. Which is crappy 3rd world facilities, supply of food, medical services and the lack there of, lack of any serious security for you. How diligent would the police be. Even if you did report a crime. Without a payoff.
The top countries would be 3rd world countries. And 3rd world countries are usually the ones mongers talk about women looking and behaving the way they like women to act. You think there might be a correlation between poverity and the ability of a women to make it on her own. Yes the women act the way they do because of mainly necessity and that necessity has also instilled a culture of dependency on marriage and family. If not. Then why is it when these women get to a 1st country and given the opportunity the quickly embrace the attitudes and qualities of a 1st world woman. Its because economics and financial and legal means have empowered them.
The bottom line is we mongers. Myself included. Reap the benefits of economically disadvantage women. Pure and simple. If the economics were equal in these countries the woman would be much more selective. You don't read about mongers getting upper middle income women from these countries. Which would be equalivent to our middle income.
TG telling it like it is. Ya dig[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I never once have said ANYWHERE on this forum that Colombian women are easier than American women. As a matter of fact I've said the exact opposite. The women here are harder to get in bed with, they have higher standards and take a longer time before they give it up physically for a man ON AVERAGE. As a matter of fact, I have dated dozens of women here now since my last separation almost a year and a half ago. And not even among the few semi-pros I date, not ONE of them fucked on the first date.
HOWEVER. The women here are better QUALITY. They are brighter, nicer, and much better in bed when they DO find you worthy of the deed. They are also much better looking on average, better dressed, better conversationalists, funnier, more well-informed etc. It's all about quality and not quality.
FURTHERMORE. The rich girls here are the sluttier ones (although almost always it's kept very much on the DL). The poor ones are the ones more likely to be suspicious of any man not from their inner circle. This is probably why most Colombians have fucked at least one of their cousins. Not to mention the richer girls are more materialistic because they have to meet a very high monthly nut if they live in an expensive neighborhood, and often there just aren't the opportunities on the normal job market to make it happen. People who live in the poorer neighborhoods often live surprisingly OK, and they can do it on practically air. So it's a very different dynamic than what one might expect.
Most people have a very skewed perception of Colombia, especially as Americans, because they tend to believe all the bullshit their internet girlfriends tell them. One big truth about women here is that they lie through their teeth all the time, they lie pathologically, they even lie to themselves habitually. And men lie too, and the biggest shit talker gets the most pussy. Women here LOVE men who lie to them even more than they love lying.
And there is no such thing as a faithful relationship here in Colombia. People who think they are coming here to find June Fucking Cleaver are really REALLY barking up the wrong fucking tree. There is no marriage or any other relationship that matters two shits in the face of a few beers (and maybe some blow) and a nice body, or some cash flashed in a girl's face, or a good couple of pickup lines, or whatever combination of the three.
The medical care here is very good and I no longer have to be biting my nails living without insurance like I did in the USA. It costs me a whopping $32 a month for FULL COVERAGE, and I can get seen within a few days by the GP and usually within 1-2 weeks by the specialist. The food as I previously mentioned is so much better than the fucking GARBAGE people are forced to eat in the US I won't even get into it. Crime is bad but not to the point where it really affects my freedom to move about, I still go where I want and do what I want at the hour I want.
I'm here mainly for professional reasons, and I found many things I like way better about living here. The women (although harder to get) are just a bonus.[/QUOTE]ok. Lets deal with what you just said. Even with insurance it takes a couple of days to see a GP. Well I have insurance in the USA thru my job. I pay about $50 a month. So a little more than you. But I can see a GP the same day I call. And a specialist whenever the need. No wait.
Food quality. There is no place that has better quality or variety than in the USA. Its about choices. The people who are fat in the US are not fat because the don't have choices of good food. They chose fatten food because of laziness, convience, (most of it being processed prepackage foods) microwave and eat and some economics, its cheaper and eaiser to buy a Mcdonalds meal for kids than wholesome food which has to be cooked. It isn't because healthy food isn't available or abundant.
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So in other words you're one of the lucky few who's employers subsidize your health insurance. I'm self employed. The same level of coverage would cost me at LEAST $800 on the open market in the US. Here I don't have to choose between eating, having health insurance, or being a slave to some corporation.
And no, sorry US food is NOT healthy. It's far from fresh, it's all been treated, dryed injected or otherwise fucked with. Here food is REALLY fresh. Ask any immigrant how SICK they got coming to the US and eating that trash!
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]DJ you are just plain dillusional if you think in 5yrs time you will have enough money to live in another country. Starting from absolute nothing right now. You don't even have a job to get started today. What do you think you are going to jumb right into a lucrative paying job with no experience. Or that youd be able to jump out of school and overseas and get a job with no experience. Ludicrous. But keep dream. As jesse Jackson says. Keep hope alive.
I guess you were right. You in a looser world with little hope of escape. Your expectation and requirements have place you in a hole that you have little chance of escaping. Someday. You will realize you wasted a lot of time. Chasing a dream which was not meant to be.
Yes there are women with kids who don't want any more. But there are plenty in their 20s who have kids and would have more if they met the right person. Then you have women who might now be models. That have scrificed for a career, who are in their 30s with no kids looking to marry and raise a family. So their are options available. You just have to be open and opportunities are all around you. As far as available women. And they all are not fat. There are avg looking women with great bodies who just wanted a career.[/QUOTE]
No you are WRONG, you don't read enough because your not interested. By the time I get my certifications and a year or so of experience I could leave. I would say where but you would scoff at it anyway so there's no use in telling you any different.
I am not the only one unemployed here, I am the only one on the forum willing to admit that I am.
I like White Women, my options are naturally narrow. Especially when you add in things that I think the other 49 states suck and don't want to relocate to another state. I already know women up to 41-42 yr old that still want to have children, never married. Well why should I do that? Its not any more economically affordable, it cost about the same. If I have to pay, why not pay for what I want?
There are fewer and fewer late 20's single mothers, I look almost everyday. They stop at 30-35. Sure I could contact them, I don't look my age but whatever most AW are not adjustable it seems. Of course Single Mothers don't have much choice or at least not as much as they maybe should have.
I shouldn't be made to accept Single Mothers, that's basically what your saying. There are more late 20's, early 30's women in Western Europe and Eastern that have done what you just said; finish school, start their career and are not looking for somebody. Much easier to find there than here, its just the facts man, I don't make this up, my eyes are wide open.
I can give you examples of women that contact me and MAYBE I could be more aggressive locally but I don't really want too. I could relocate to Canada with my homie, but I rather not and its cold.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]So in other words you're one of the lucky few who's employers subsidize your health insurance. I'm self employed. The same level of coverage would cost me at LEAST $800 on the open market in the US. Here I don't have to choose between eating, having health insurance, or being a slave to some corporation.
And no, sorry US food is NOT healthy. It's far from fresh, it's all been treated, dryed injected or otherwise fucked with. Here food is REALLY fresh. Ask any immigrant how SICK they got coming to the US and eating that trash![/QUOTE]
Oh just save it BC, he's a Nationalist. You're just a bittermen living in Colombia and I'm just some dude that won't take his medicine, face the music and make lemonade with lemons.
And to drive it further home that Money doesn't not solve everything but as Biggie said "More Money, More Problems" - [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39026848/ns/health-behavior/[/url]
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]
Food quality. There is no place that has better quality or variety than in the USA. Its about choices. The people who are fat in the US are not fat because the don't have choices of good food. They chose fatten food because of laziness, convience, (most of it being processed prepackage foods) microwave and eat and some economics, its cheaper and eaiser to buy a Mcdonalds meal for kids than wholesome food which has to be cooked. It isn't because healthy food isn't available or abundant.[/QUOTE]I agree there are many choices, there is bad and good food in USA. And USA(in cities) has good variety of international cuisines. Also now days supermarket food is very similar in many countries.
So what you are saying, there are "choices" and "possibilities" in USA - to eat good food, not to be fat and disgusting, to make lots of money, to meet nice and beautiful girls, etc.. - it is possible of course.
But what is the probability one can make it? The probability is next to 0 in USA to accomplish all of that. Most people are lazy, fat, most women are ugly with nasty behavior, no culture, strictly consumerism society, etc..
Even though you can make it for yourself, you still live in the same society where you still must watch all the fat woman around and get disgusted and sick from the view everyday. You can make it for yourself but cannot make others doing that.
I've been visiting some places, which are still a different world, women's normal marriage age 18-25, they are also supposed to be virgin, otherwise their chances to get married successfully get worse. Of course not everybody is doing that, but fucking around before marriage is not considered cool for women. Divorse rates are very low.
Everybody has own tastes and preferences I would prefer a traditional woman from the latter place. While they are still modern in many ways, educated and very beautiful, some have photomodel bodies but still modest, like to cook, want to have family, children etc.. - no way one can find this in a USA/West type of place. Yes, for sure some American girls look good or kinda ok, but when they open their mouths too often a lot of shit is coming out.
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It was recently reported that portion servings in restaurants about 15-20 years ago were on 9 inch plates. Today it's 12 inches. Yes, the food industry, discount food markets selling high sugar, high calorie, high salt ingredients in their products plus the competition to attract dinner guests are all causes of obesity in America, Europe and elsewhere. Must not forget the lack of exercise. It's an epedemic without proper remedy.
I recommend reading the "Eat This, Not That" book series. Highly informative about what we put in our mouths besides female anatomy.
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Don't eat that!
[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]I recommend reading the "Eat This, Not That" book series. Highly informative about what we put in our mouths besides female anatomy.[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe, but even the kinds of choices it advises shows how low the bar is.
Like they recommend a Big Mac over a Whopper, choosing less obscene caramel coffee mixes, which fries or onion rings have less fat. But it is all a "lesser of evils" approach, intended to appeal to those who cannot imagine life without fast food and frozen dinners.
Here's a clue - don't eat any of it! Cook your own food. The most decadent hamburger you are going to cook at home isn't going to compete with ANY fast food burger in calories or fat or cost. Eat fruit for dessert and save a zillion calories. Drink coffee or tea, not sugary faux-coffee confections. Walk to the coffee shop/food store/restaurant. That is the difference between North American diets and other countries - home cooked food and exercise.
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Well, maybe, but even the kinds of choices it advises shows how low the bar is.
Like they recommend a Big Mac over a Whopper, choosing less obscene caramel coffee mixes, which fries or onion rings have less fat. But it is all a "lesser of evils" approach, intended to appeal to those who cannot imagine life without fast food and frozen dinners.
Here's a clue - don't eat any of it! Cook your own food. The most decadent hamburger you are going to cook at home isn't going to compete with ANY fast food burger in calories or fat or cost. Eat fruit for dessert and save a zillion calories. Drink coffee or tea, not sugary faux-coffee confections. Walk to the coffee shop/food store/restaurant. That is the difference between North American diets and other countries - home cooked food and exercise.[/QUOTE]
We've also had a backlash again PE in school because people don't want other children to make fun of their obese children when they can't run as fast or jump as high as others.
You also have to remember we have an actual Fat Acceptance Campaign in which they are trying to insert BBW's and BHM into the media to soften public opinion of overweight people. Thank goodness Hollywood has given them token support with different tv shows and movies. But just like Hollywood likes to avoid things like successful Interracial Coupes, they avoid the Overweight issue or make light of it.
Unlike some people around here we can stem the tide of this nonsense by just not dating BBW's. Over all else don't impregnate them!
As for eating at home, given how many post-modern women even bother to learn how to cook, there's almost no hope. We're just lucky so many women feel pressured into looking thin, looking healthy, go to the gym. But they feel they are special because of this extra effort they put into themselves.
Our portions are larger than ever I don't disagree with that, but people don't get to be 200-300lbs by eating three meals a day. They get that way fighting boredom and depression. There is also much false advertisement by food companies and only sometimes is the FDA doing its job and enforcing regulation, but isn't that like any Government agency in the last 20-30 years?
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Ummm maybe if not too many women know how to cook you should learn to do it yourself? The vast majority of professional cooks are men, of course. And, of course, when I was a professional cook I worked with a few women, and, of course, they often tried to get out of the heavier jobs such as changing the fryer oil and cleaning the grill hoods. And, of course, I didn't let them.
I once worked with a female basketball ref who didn't want to throw up the jump ball. I put the ball in her hands, said "Equal pay for equal work," and ran to baseline position.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]So in other words you're one of the lucky few who's employers subsidize your health insurance. I'm self employed. The same level of coverage would cost me at LEAST $800 on the open market in the US. Here I don't have to choose between eating, having health insurance, or being a slave to some corporation.
And no, sorry US food is NOT healthy. It's far from fresh, it's all been treated, dryed injected or otherwise fucked with. Here food is REALLY fresh. Ask any immigrant how SICK they got coming to the US and eating that trash![/QUOTE]First of all, the USA imports alot of its food from various sources. Outside of america. Also maybe those who don't look for quality food. Eat poorly. But the organic market and local farmer markets are everywhere now. Small farmers who do NOT use pesticides and chemicals. So you are just plain wrong on that point.
And what makes you think farmers in Colombia don't use pesticides and chemicals. Especially big farms. Do you know for a fact.
Obesity in the US has to do with laziness. No one walks anywhere. We have remote controls for every device now. So you don't have to move at all. Besides the abundance of fast food places. Which sell the most delicious but ridiculously fattening meals. So the combination of the two are a reciepe for fattness.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
Everybody has own tastes and preferences I would prefer a traditional woman from the latter place. While they are still modern in many ways, educated and very beautiful, some have photomodel bodies but still modest, like to cook, want to have family, children etc.. No way one can find this in a USA/West type of place. Yes, for sure some American girls look good or kinda ok, but when they open their mouths too often a lot of shit is coming out.[/QUOTE]If that is your preference. Then go for it. I wish you nothing but the best. And hope it works out for you.
See the difference between you and me. Is I may not like a fat woman. But I won't put a guy down who does nor the woman for being fat. Thats their life and if they are happy fine. Have I seen big woman that I thought were beautiful. Indeed I have. And would date one too.
I have seen ugly skinny women. Indeed I have. But if a guy wants to date her I wouldn't say a word. Its what he likes that counts. Not me.
So when you guys say. Guys in america are getting shafted or don't know they could have it better. Well whos to say. All you can say it would be better for you. Obviously there are plenty of guys happier than a pig in shit. With their so called big wives. Wouldn't leave them for nothing. So why is that a problem. There are yes plenty of fat women in america. And guess what. Just as many fat men too.
So if you are happy. Where ever you are. So be it. But that doesn't mean the men who are in the USA agree. They just might be happier than that pig. Being with what you would call fat AW
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Ummm maybe if not too many women know how to cook you should learn to do it yourself? The vast majority of professional cooks are men, of course. And, of course, when I was a professional cook I worked with a few women, and, of course, they often tried to get out of the heavier jobs such as changing the fryer oil and cleaning the grill hoods. And, of course, I didn't let them.
I once worked with a female basketball ref who didn't want to throw up the jump ball. I put the ball in her hands, said "Equal pay for equal work," and ran to baseline position.[/QUOTE]
I know how to cook, Home Economics is one of the few things I remember about Jr High.
I'm not a scratch cooker but so what, there's enough information out there to know what to do, as long as you understand Tea Spoon and Table Spoon.
But to women that should be a bonus, an unexpected surprise.
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If you can't cook from scratch you do not know how to cook. Pure and simple. Cooking is an art (although baking is a science) while following a recipe is just like knowing how to change the oil in your car or something. But if you know a teaspoon from a tablespoon you are probably ahead of most AW. I say without a trace of hesitation that I am in the top 5% of cooks world-wide and not only is it a good way to get women, it's an even better way to keep them. Plus I know nutrition and sanitation. You get a woman to come to your house for dinner, you fix her chicken cordon bleu for dinner and then eggs benedict with real holandaise for breakfast, she will tend to come back.
Three of the times I dumped a woman I had been seeing for a long time, they said, "Okay. I sure will miss your cooking, though."
I don't cook for AW too much any more because most of them won't do the dishes afterwards and often when they do, they do a half-ass job.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]If you can't cook from scratch you do not know how to cook. Pure and simple. Cooking is an art (although baking is a science) while following a recipe is just like knowing how to change the oil in your car or something. But if you know a teaspoon from a tablespoon you are probably ahead of most AW. I say without a trace of hesitation that I am in the top 5% of cooks world-wide and not only is it a good way to get women, it's an even better way to keep them. Plus I know nutrition and sanitation. You get a woman to come to your house for dinner, you fix her chicken cordon bleu for dinner and then eggs benedict with real holandaise for breakfast, she will tend to come back.
Three of the times I dumped a woman I had been seeing for a long time, they said, "Okay. I sure will miss your cooking, though."
I don't cook for AW too much any more because most of them won't do the dishes afterwards and often when they do, they do a half-ass job.[/QUOTE]
I love the shit out of cooking and can cook up a storm... but I think the best way to keep a woman coming back is to be good in bed... the vast majority of Colombian woman will NEVER fuck a bad lay twice unless they have some material interest....
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[url]http://eatthis.womenshealthmag.com/slide/worst-energy-drink-0?slideshow=184612#title[/url]
20 worst drinks in America, just this one above is equal to 6 donuts
At the top of the list the amount of calories & sugar in these is INSANE.
No wonder women are cows in America.
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New Thread?
Maybe we need an "American Food" thread.
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OK back to American Women...
Left to Right: Princess of Spain, First Lady of France, Michelle Obama
#1, #2, or #3?
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A picture says it all
[QUOTE=Jon32]OK back to American Women...
Left to Right: Princess of Spain, First Lady of France, Michelle Obama
#1, #2, or #3?[/QUOTE]
My god ! Right on ! You are a master of communication Jon32 !
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[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]My god ! Right on ! You are a master of communication Jon32 ![/QUOTE]Good comparison. I'm a bit biased being in a long term relationship with a hot German girl who used to model when she was younger.
I know this is the bash American women thread. But to be more fair, you are comparing two younger, former TV personality/model to someone who was a lawyer graduated from harvard and Yale. And based on my experience with models, they do seem to know how to stay slim. Even some "purging" if necessary. I wouldn't assume that of the stereotypical women lawyers.
Jf
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Lies, Damn Lies, and the Internet...
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]My god ! Right on ! You are a master of communication Jon32 ![/QUOTE]Although, Princess Letizia of Spain and Carla Bruni are hotter than any past or present US first lady, the photo has been doctored. What appears to be an image of Michelle Obama has been pasted into the photo. An observant person can easily see the repetitive granular patterns on the steps (to the right) as well as the cropped hair and blacked-out right corner of the photo.
Yes, a photo can say a 1,000 words and a doctored photo can say many more.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Jon32]OK back to American Women...
Left to Right: Princess of Spain, First Lady of France, Michelle Obama
#1, #2, or #3?[/QUOTE]The first two not the last one!
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We have 2 masters
[QUOTE=Helpmann]Although, Princess Letizia of Spain and Carla Bruni are hotter than any past or present US first lady, the photo has been doctored. What appears to be an image of Michelle Obama has been pasted into the photo. An observant person can easily see the repetitive granular patterns on the steps (to the right) as well as the cropped hair and blacked-out right corner of the photo.
Yes, a photo can say a 1,000 words and a doctored photo can say many more.
-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
Congrats Helpmann. Yes, it is well clear that the photos have been doctored. You are right on too.
Still, the comparison between the three ladies is striking. Which lady would you want to put in your bed ?
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Everyone Has to Check Their Bull Shit Meter... Mine Works Fine
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Congrats Helpmann. Yes, it is well clear that the photos have been doctored. You are right on too.
Still, the comparison between the three ladies is striking. Which lady would you want to put in your bed ?[/QUOTE]Personally, Michelle Obama is one of the more attractive US first ladies in recent memory; however that's not saying very much. Her most recent predecessors were Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, and Barbara Bush. Yuck!
Nevertheless, Princess Letizia of Spain is much much more my type.
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]If you can't cook from scratch you do not know how to cook. Pure and simple. Cooking is an art (although baking is a science) while following a recipe is just like knowing how to change the oil in your car or something. But if you know a teaspoon from a tablespoon you are probably ahead of most AW. I say without a trace of hesitation that I am in the top 5% of cooks world-wide and not only is it a good way to get women, it's an even better way to keep them. Plus I know nutrition and sanitation. You get a woman to come to your house for dinner, you fix her chicken cordon bleu for dinner and then eggs benedict with real holandaise for breakfast, she will tend to come back.
Three of the times I dumped a woman I had been seeing for a long time, they said, "Okay. I sure will miss your cooking, though."
I don't cook for AW too much any more because most of them won't do the dishes afterwards and often when they do, they do a half-ass job.[/QUOTE]
That's kind of harsh, I like cooking but not for anybody else ATM 1), 2) pinch and dash is sign of a scratch cooker I guess, but following directions is perfectly okay for me. If the taste isn't quite what I thought, you experiment.
But I can do anything, cut meat, stuff turkey, BBQ, bake cakes which is made from a mix, I am not going to go through the process of scratch when nobody is going to know the difference unless they are a pastry chief.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]If you can't cook from scratch you do not know how to cook. Pure and simple. Cooking is an art (although baking is a science) while following a recipe is just like knowing how to change the oil in your car or something. But if you know a teaspoon from a tablespoon you are probably ahead of most AW. I say without a trace of hesitation that I am in the top 5% of cooks world-wide and not only is it a good way to get women, it's an even better way to keep them. Plus I know nutrition and sanitation. You get a woman to come to your house for dinner, you fix her chicken cordon bleu for dinner and then eggs benedict with real holandaise for breakfast, she will tend to come back.
Three of the times I dumped a woman I had been seeing for a long time, they said, "Okay. I sure will miss your cooking, though."
I don't cook for AW too much any more because most of them won't do the dishes afterwards and often when they do, they do a half-ass job.[/QUOTE]
So True!!! Well said DH.
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A Song for the Ages
[i]American woman, stay away from me
American woman, mama let me be
Don't come hanging around my door
I don't want to see your face no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you
Now woman, stay away
American woman, listen what I say
American woman...[/i]
[b][url=http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/110604/how-debt-can-destroy-a-budding-relationship]How Debt Can Destroy a Budding Relationship[/url][/b]
-Helpmann ;)
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[QUOTE=Helpmann][b][url=http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/110604/how-debt-can-destroy-a-budding-relationship]How Debt Can Destroy a Budding Relationship[/url][/b]
-Helpmann ;)[/QUOTE]
Ewwwwwww.
If that "Ms. Tidwell" whose photo leads the article might be put off my my 56-year-old bald head and potbelly, believe you me - the distaste I feel for her quarter-million dollars of debt would make the feeling mutual.
One of the conditions I set for my retirement is that I wouldn't have any debt. I paid off my mortgage a year before I retired; I'd paid off all my credit cards and my home-equity line of credit well before then. I proved to myself that I could live "within my (reduced/retired) means" before I asked HR to process my retirement.
Now, I own my home outright. Same for my car and my boat. I've got a nice nest-egg and a decent Civil Service pension, and I'm saving nearly 1/4 of my monthly retirement check.
This article presents just another Good Reason to keep my fly zipped while I'm in the USA. Call it "Homeland Security." :p
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]bake cakes which is made from a mix, I am not going to go through the process of scratch when nobody is going to know the difference unless they are a pastry chief.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case. With all due respect, anyone who can't tell a scratch cake from a pre-fab cake from a mix is not a cook. I think even most non-cooks would know the difference, assuming they have EVER had a scratch cake which is by no means a given, in this day and age. So how do you make your turkey stuffing?
This is sort of off-topic and sort of not because the lack of home cooking is one of the many issues with AW. It's an example of how they want it both ways. They want to be respected for being a woman but they can't do any of the things women have traditionally been able to do. And if you ask them to sew a button on they get pissed off. But they expect you to change the flat tire.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
This is sort of off-topic and sort of not because the lack of home cooking is one of the many issues with AW. It's an example of how they want it both ways. They want to be respected for being a woman but they can't do any of the things women have traditionally been able to do. And if you ask them to sew a button on they get pissed off. But they expect you to change the flat tire.[/QUOTE]
Everytime I want to cook, my Spanish novia jumps up and says "No! I cook, I'm the woman!"
Take note American women...
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]I rest my case. With all due respect, anyone who can't tell a scratch cake from a pre-fab cake from a mix is not a cook. I think even most non-cooks would know the difference, assuming they have EVER had a scratch cake which is by no means a given, in this day and age. So how do you make your turkey stuffing?
This is sort of off-topic and sort of not because the lack of home cooking is one of the many issues with AW. It's an example of how they want it both ways. They want to be respected for being a woman but they can't do any of the things women have traditionally been able to do. And if you ask them to sew a button on they get pissed off. But they expect you to change the flat tire.[/QUOTE]
From scratch actually, mother's recipe. Nothing secret about it. I work on cars, I've worked on cars since high school, I've rebuilt engines, I've put everything on my SRT-4 = 400+hp. I used to work at Manny, Moe and Jack.
There are things I can do from scratch I just rather not. I am wasting my talent on sub-par local women and old ass women.
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Ukrainian wife
I only cook when I prefer. I never have dirty clothes, my clothing is always ironed. My shoes are shined. Everything is made from scratch, everything that needs mending is mended.
She made me 3 pairs of the best fitting underwear I've ever worn. House is always clean.
Cuts my hair, manicures my nails and other appearance maintenance.
Whenever she brings home money, she gives it to me and I decide what to let her keep.
I'm 54 and average looking, she is 27 and a beauty. I'm often asked, "Is she a model? "
She is often asked "Is he your Dad? "
American women? Waste of natural resources.
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You are one lucky dude! Is she living with you in the U.S.A? If so, enjoy it while it lasts.
[QUOTE=Robert1110]I only cook when I prefer. I never have dirty clothes, my clothing is always ironed. My shoes are shined. Everything is made from scratch, everything that needs mending is mended.
She made me 3 pairs of the best fitting underwear I've ever worn. House is always clean.
Cuts my hair, manicures my nails and other appearance maintenance.
Whenever she brings home money, she gives it to me and I decide what to let her keep.
I'm 54 and average looking, she is 27 and a beauty. I'm often asked, "Is she a model? "
She is often asked "Is he your Dad? "
American women? Waste of natural resources.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]You are one lucky dude! Is she living with you in the U.S.A? If so, enjoy it while it lasts.[/QUOTE]If he is in the USA. I sure hope he was smart enough to move to like po dump idaho or someplace like that. Definitely not one of the top 10 metros. Cause as you say. Enjoy while it last.
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[QUOTE=Robert1110]I only cook when I prefer. I never have dirty clothes, my clothing is always ironed. My shoes are shined. Everything is made from scratch, everything that needs mending is mended.
She made me 3 pairs of the best fitting underwear I've ever worn. House is always clean.
Cuts my hair, manicures my nails and other appearance maintenance.
Whenever she brings home money, she gives it to me and I decide what to let her keep.
I'm 54 and average looking, she is 27 and a beauty. I'm often asked, "Is she a model? "
She is often asked "Is he your Dad? "
American women? Waste of natural resources.[/QUOTE]Wow sounds like you needed a servant and you wonder why AW don't line up for that life style. And then if you divorce. Youll be one who says dam she didn't pay for one thing in the place and I have to split with her. Because working like a servant is want she was meant to do. Right. Its nature. Right
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Wow sounds like you needed a servant and you wonder why AW don't line up for that life style. And then if you divorce. Youll be one who says dam she didn't pay for one thing in the place and I have to split with her. Because working like a servant is want she was meant to do. Right. Its nature. Right[/QUOTE]
Okay TG and then what would your ideal relationship look like with an Down to Earth, Non-Materialistic Woman who's attractive?
A Powerfully RARE combination these days to start with.
How long are you going to spend searching for this woman? Could it be days, weeks, years, decades?
You have the nerve to tell me that I bring nothing to the table like I have never earned anything, never worked an hour, never did any difficult work.
You accuse me of idealistic notions, childish fantasies and say I should just play with the hand I'm dealt with or shut up and be alone.
I'm tired of your Nationalist, Jingoistic BS you always post here and use poor examples of like a majority of American men are happy with their choices. That can't be the case and has sheep American People are not fully aware of all their options. Also misery loves company, others don't want you to succeed and what you to remain where they are.
This is why the media does what it does and then claims to be "Fair and Balanced". No they are Bias towards anything America, America is the best at this or the best at that. Its bullshit. You only hear about the K-1 Relationships that fail, not the ones that successful.
Believe it or not there are women out there they care enough about the man that love to do things like what Robert said. That's not being a slave and further makes me feel you're actually a Woman or Mangina.
You make no sense and I hope you don't make money as a consultant...
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Wow sounds like you needed a servant and you wonder why AW don't line up for that life style. And then if you divorce. Youll be one who says dam she didn't pay for one thing in the place and I have to split with her. Because working like a servant is want she was meant to do. Right. Its nature. Right[/QUOTE]
Robert's experience, as related, sounds like "a dream come true" for many of us. Probably most of us. And of course, that's what makes it repugnant to our resident "feminazi's lapdog." Probably got a mail-order P. H. Diddly certificate in Kiss-A** Feminist Consulting from the Germaine Greer Institute for Waspish WASP Women hanging over his desk.
"A majority of American men" don't [i]know[/i] better than to "be content" with their AW "choices". Demographically, the majority of American men were in their childhood, or they weren't even born yet, when the "Feminist Revolution" stormed the halls of power. And they grew up with the results. They end up like the people who go to Burger King because "(you can) have it your way;" they're eating the same fast-food crap, but they have the power to say "No pickles." Wow.
Give the devil her due - my last USA girlfriend was a feminist, and while she was girlfriending with me she was nice. She did nice things for me, she did nice things [i]with[/i] me. But when I finished remodeling the bathroom in the new house she'd bought for herself, she decided I'd been around long enough. "Sayonara, Westy!"
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]If he is in the USA. I sure hope he was smart enough to move to like po dump idaho or someplace like that. Definitely not one of the top 10 metros. Cause as you say. Enjoy while it last.[/QUOTE]
TG you have the wrong attitude. IF (if not when) these girls leave or get older, you recycle for a younger one.
You have been to South America and do not speak Spanish...
If someone went to America for two weeks without speaking a word of English, that would not be a very good opinion on the place.
It is impossible for someone to understand the culture (or women) of these places without even knowing the language they speak when they visited.
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Ok fellas
Let me respond. First DJ. Whether you have ever had money or things its where you are at now. There are homeless ex millionares. You don't expect a woman to say well he used to be rich so. The fact that hes homeless now doesn't matter. You are broke now. Unemployed. Living at mommas house. So why would a grown woman who is making money settle for a guy that would/could be a burden. What do you bring to the relationship. You say you are not even great looking. So why would she want you. I don't say give. But if you are broke at least workout. Get your body in the best shape you can. Then you at least have something going for you. Besides why no an avg girl. I don't say she has to be fat but whats wrong with avg.
For the rest of you. Cave man days are over.
Jon. As far as knowing the language and culture. Well I speak enough spanish to get by. But my question to you is. If this is part of their natural culture. How is that you can't find one in america then like that. There are thousands of women in america from all those countries, why do they so easily accept american way/values, if they love those ways so much. Why do you have to go to their 3rd world country where they are really financially deprived, why isn't there upper middle and wealthy like that if it is their culture.
They have been taught to live like that because their mothers and grandmothrers had to depend on a man for income. So they HAD to do accept that role to keep a man. So its been passed down. One oppressed parent to the child. As they know no other way. Its the same mentality of women in saudi arabia saying they like burguas. Well if thats all you know and have no way to escape it. Sure you have to learn to accept it as a way of life.
AW were like that in the 50s. Until they started getting educated, jobs, then they realized their value and it blew up from there.
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Jingoistic. I like it. You go DJ! Now I got the cougars in the gym coming on to me and I am so not interested. I told one today she was a little too old for me (that was after her third overture and she asked me what was the problem) and she got all red in the face and shit.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]
For the rest of you. Cave man days are over.
Jon. As far as knowing the language and culture. Well I speak enough spanish to get by. But my question to you is. If this is part of their natural culture. How is that you can't find one in america then like that. There are thousands of women in america from all those countries, why do they so easily accept american way/values, if they love those ways so much. Why do you have to go to their 3rd world country where they are really financially deprived, why isn't there upper middle and wealthy like that if it is their culture.
They have been taught to live like that because their mothers and grandmothrers had to depend on a man for income. So they HAD to do accept that role to keep a man. So its been passed down. One oppressed parent to the child. As they know no other way. Its the same mentality of women in saudi arabia saying they like burguas. Well if thats all you know and have no way to escape it. Sure you have to learn to accept it as a way of life.
AW were like that in the 50s. Until they started getting educated, jobs, then they realized their value and it blew up from there.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you could find one in America. They adapt quickly once they see what having a pussy gets there.
I had an ex-novia from Brazil when I was living in prison. When we first started she talked all the time how Brazil was better... She got some Americana friends and a few years later, I did not want to be with her anymore. It was too much like dating an American and not a Brazilian.
That experience taught me to go to the source of the country for women. I started traveling, found this board and have not looked back.
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That is the problem
AW in Sex Prison are trained by their friends, TV, magazines, internet that they have the honey pot and the AM will stop at nothing if he "believes' that he will be rewarded. It does not matter where she was born, nearly all learn this reality really quick. In all the other male playgrounds, if she does not toe the line, SHE won't get rewarded. The reward could be dinner, sex, home, jewelry, you name it.
Here is the catch. In Sex Prison, all women want the rewards without giving any benefits to the men. That is the whole "Party" scene in most clubs: Guys buying girls drinks in the hopes of having some contact with the girl; girls are there to get all the drinks they wish without giving guys anything for their efforts. I know, it is just one scene, a pathetic one, but think of all the other situations where all our efforts get rebuffed because AWs have a scroll long list of reasons they won't get intimate or they won't even try to get acquainted? Frankly, I found the reversal of roles refreshing in my favorite playgrounds.
It may take a long time to get out of here from time to time, but I guarantee that within minutes of arriving at my favorite destinations I have many open minded options available, willing to satisfy my every need. In my jailcell here in Sex Prison, I count the days until I can "Go outside and play". Like a prisoner, I mark an X over the days on the calendar that I am wasting here. At least I have my job to keep me focused on my priorities. Nothing can change the harsh reality and depressing script that the dating scene in the USA has become. Only if you are foolish or ignorant will you limit your options to what is available here.
[QUOTE=Jon32]Maybe you could find one in America. They adapt quickly once they see what having a pussy gets there.
I had an ex-novia from Brazil when I was living in prison. When we first started she talked all the time how Brazil was better... She got some Americana friends and a few years later, I did not want to be with her anymore. It was too much like dating an American and not a Brazilian.
That experience taught me to go to the source of the country for women. I started traveling, found this board and have not looked back.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jon32]Maybe you could find one in America. They adapt quickly once they see what having a pussy gets there.
I had an ex-novia from Brazil when I was living in prison. When we first started she talked all the time how Brazil was better. She got some Americana friends and a few years later, I did not want to be with her anymore. It was too much like dating an American and not a Brazilian.
That experience taught me to go to the source of the country for women. I started traveling, found this board and have not looked back.[/QUOTE]So what you are saying then is all women are the same. Given the opportunities, finances, and education most will act like an AW. Its only that in the places you frequent the women do not have the opportunities, nor the finances or resources to ascert their equality in a relationship. Therefore they are ripe for exploitation by men. Hey I'm not knocking you for taking advantage of the situation. I do. But at least lets acknowledge that is what we do. Thats all I say. Its not that those women are any different. Its their circumstances dictate that they must be that way.
TG just keeping it real. As they say.
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TG, I never said I wasn't that good looking. I just said I wasn't Taye Diggs.
I do okay, I get decent to mildly hot looking women. I am not bothering any women currently with my unemployed self. Why? I can't come through. I can't go see them to make something solid.
I live here as a choice not a have too, I said that before. I am lucky I said fuck my job and had the option. In the "over the barrel" culture we have developed here, I would have to stay at stinky job with reduced hours and stagnant pay and if I wanted to improve, that means going back to school as well. In America we Live to Work, not Work to Live. Everything is open on Sundays and in Urban Areas around the clock, mostly low paying Service Sector jobs.
I'll be fine, I just think its silly for you to suggest that I'm best off with some average looking AW is strange at best. What? Average looking AW try harder? Maybe when they reach 40 they do because they understand that the competition coming from women in their mid 30's and late 20's is impossible to overcome.
Whatever, as I said its ridiculous to suggest America is the best place for anything, when its not.
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I chose to upload the link below because I saw Ms. Sainz on live morning TV. She is a 32 yr. old sports journalist for a Mexican tv station. She said she has no problem what occurred. That’s just the way she is because of her appearance. She realizes these incidents can occur because she wears sexy clothing and is hot in her many pictures on her website. She is a latina. The complaints came from an AM and an AW. Need I say more? Draw your own conclusions.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/12/ines-sainz-azteca-jets_n_713843.html[/url]
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And then the Redskins' Clinton Portus....
[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]I chose to upload the link below because I saw Ms. Sainz on live morning TV. She is a 32 yr. old sports journalist for a Mexican tv station. She said she has no problem what occurred. That’s just the way she is because of her appearance. She realizes these incidents can occur because she wears sexy clothing and is hot in her many pictures on her website. She is a latina. The complaints came from an AM and an AW. Need I say more? Draw your own conclusions.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/12/ines-sainz-azteca-jets_n_713843.html[/url][/QUOTE]
When I queued this up, the next story on line was about Clinton Portus, of the Washington Redskins, and the way he got raked over the coals for saying "You put a woman and you give her a choice of 53 athletes, somebody got to be appealing to her. Somebody got to spark her interest, or she's gonna want somebody."
He's in deep kimchi over this one. Ines Sainz, OTOH, is the "innocent little victim" of the Jets' locker room.
Typical media treatment. The woman has all the rights, the men are saddled with all the responsibilities. I think it's stupid, and WAY out of line, for a woman sportscaster to go into the men's locker room to begin with.
(And a hot darling like Ines Sainz shouldn't be surprised if she incites a riot by showing up there!)
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WTF is a female reporter doing in a male locker room? Are male reporters allowed in female professional sports locker rooms? All this political correct BS is driving me nuts.
[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]I chose to upload the link below because I saw Ms. Sainz on live morning TV. She is a 32 yr. old sports journalist for a Mexican tv station. She said she has no problem what occurred. That’s just the way she is because of her appearance. She realizes these incidents can occur because she wears sexy clothing and is hot in her many pictures on her website. She is a latina. The complaints came from an AM and an AW. Need I say more? Draw your own conclusions.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/12/ines-sainz-azteca-jets_n_713843.html[/url][/QUOTE]
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Well Said!!!
[QUOTE=Voyajer1]AW in Sex Prison are trained by their friends, TV, magazines, internet that they have the honey pot and the AM will stop at nothing if he "believes' that he will be rewarded. It does not matter where she was born, nearly all learn this reality really quick. In all the other male playgrounds, if she does not toe the line, SHE won't get rewarded. The reward could be dinner, sex, home, jewelry, you name it.
Here is the catch. In Sex Prison, all women want the rewards without giving any benefits to the men. That is the whole "Party" scene in most clubs: Guys buying girls drinks in the hopes of having some contact with the girl; girls are there to get all the drinks they wish without giving guys anything for their efforts. I know, it is just one scene, a pathetic one, but think of all the other situations where all our efforts get rebuffed because AWs have a scroll long list of reasons they won't get intimate or they won't even try to get acquainted? Frankly, I found the reversal of roles refreshing in my favorite playgrounds.
It may take a long time to get out of here from time to time, but I guarantee that within minutes of arriving at my favorite destinations I have many open minded options available, willing to satisfy my every need. In my jailcell here in Sex Prison, I count the days until I can "Go outside and play". Like a prisoner, I mark an X over the days on the calendar that I am wasting here. At least I have my job to keep me focused on my priorities. Nothing can change the harsh reality and depressing script that the dating scene in the USA has become. Only if you are foolish or ignorant will you limit your options to what is available here.[/QUOTE]Ever since I came back from my recent virgin trip to Rio I have had this weird feeling and after reading this post that is exactly how I feel, like having a padlock on your dick with no real means of breaking the lock, because lets face it even though I had an blast in Rio and will be coming back soon, living in Rio is not an viable option. Just like you Voyajer1 I am also doing my own countdown until I can get back to sexual paradise but until then I am forced give AW attention and act like I care about how their day went just to get a lazy fuck to tide me over until my next mongering adventure.
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She Does Have an Amazing Ass!
[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]I chose to upload the link below because I saw Ms. Sainz on live morning TV. She is a 32 yr. old sports journalist for a Mexican tv station...[/QUOTE]Sports journalist... that's a joke! Ines Sainz is a model and former Miss Universe contestant. A few years ago, some dude wanted to fuck her, so he gave her a microphone and asked her to talk.
Now the kunt is trying to pull an "Erin Andrews" so that she can jump start her career. Please, somebody shut this bitach up!!!
-Helpmann :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]So what you are saying then is all women are the same. Given the opportunities, finances, and education most will act like an AW. Its only that in the places you frequent the women do not have the opportunities, nor the finances or resources to ascert their equality in a relationship. Therefore they are ripe for exploitation by men. Hey I'm not knocking you for taking advantage of the situation. I do. But at least lets acknowledge that is what we do. Thats all I say. Its not that those women are any different. Its their circumstances dictate that they must be that way.
TG just keeping it real. As they say.[/QUOTE]
I do not think it is the money, but the culture in America ...
I have dated women with money and education in other countries (lawyers). One after working 8 hours would come home, fuck and then make dinner...
I think this ridiculous situation with Ines Sainz is a good example. She is fine with what happened. It is American attitude that created the entire issue.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I do not think it is the money, but the culture in America ...
I have dated women with money and education in other countries (lawyers). One after working 8 hours would come home, fuck and then make dinner...
I think this ridiculous situation with Ines Sainz is a good example. She is fine with what happened. It is American attitude that created the entire issue.[/QUOTE]
I find just the opposite here in Colombia, as much as TG wants to be in total denial about it. The rich and middle class girls give it up easier here. The lower class girls are very suspicious about anybody that doesn't come from their own circles. So much for that half-ass theory.
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"I'm an enchanted comic...."
[QUOTE=Jon32]I do not think it is the money, but the culture in America ...
I have dated women with money and education in other countries (lawyers). One after working 8 hours would come home, fuck and then make dinner...
I think this ridiculous situation with Ines Sainz is a good example. She is fine with what happened. It is American attitude that created the entire issue.[/QUOTE]
Abso-luckin'-flutely it's the USA culture. The USA invented Fem Lib, the National Organization of Women (NOW), "Male Chauvinist Pig" bashing, pillage-and-plunder alimony, sexual-harassment lawsuits, the "glass ceiling" rant, the whole nine yards of it.
That doesn't mean they take any responsibility for any of it. They are the Poor Poor Victims, and "everything wrong" in thir life is all the fault of the Wicked Rascally Male Chauvinist Pigs, i.e. the men. Meanwhile, they expect us to court them, flatter them, pay their way, suck up to them, and lick their a**es for even a glimmer of what passes for affection.
American women, USA women, have turned the eternal "conflict between the sexes" into an all-out f***in' JIHAD. They are the True Believers and they will do [i] anything [/i] to subvert, subjugate, plunder, and all-but-EXTERMINATE "The Infidels." That's you and me, gentlemen.
"Miss American Princess, I'm an enchanted comic. Kiss my ass!"
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I find just the opposite here in Colombia, as much as TG wants to be in total denial about it. The rich and middle class girls give it up easier here. The lower class girls are very suspicious about anybody that doesn't come from their own circles. So much for that half-ass theory.[/QUOTE]Bango. You can look on any forum about Medellin and it will explicitly say. Don't bother with girls from Poblado. And why is that. Because the are the upper middle class to wealthy of Medellin and its hard to get that ass.. Please in your earlier post in this thread you even stated women in Colombia are harder to talk into bed than AW. So which is it?
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I never once have said ANYWHERE on this forum that Colombian women are easier than American women. As a matter of fact I've said the exact opposite. The women here are harder to get in bed with, they have higher standards and take a longer time before they give it up physically for a man ON AVERAGE. As a matter of fact, I have dated dozens of women here now since my last separation almost a year and a half ago. And not even among the few semi-pros I date, not ONE of them fucked on the first date.[/QUOTE]So it would appear they have you jumping thru hoops just like AW. And they are even HARDER as you say. Wow great place indeed. No wonder everyone is trying to move there. NOT! If you love it there so be it. But harder to fuck than AW. You and the other. What. 10 AM that moved there can have it.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I attached a picture of a 170 pound woman.[/QUOTE]Wow. Did you really fuck her? These promising lips.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I attached a picture of a 170 pound woman.[/QUOTE]Wow. Did you really fuck her? These promising lips.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Bango. You can look on any forum about Medellin and it will explicitly say. Don't bother with girls from Poblado. And why is that. Because the are the upper middle class to wealthy of Medellin and its hard to get that ass.. Please in your earlier post in this thread you even stated women in Colombia are harder to talk into bed than AW. So which is it?
So it would appear they have you jumping thru hoops just like AW. And they are even HARDER as you say. Wow great place indeed. No wonder everyone is trying to move there. NOT! If you love it there so be it. But harder to fuck than AW. You and the other. What. 10 AM that moved there can have it.[/QUOTE]
You have a real bad habit of selective reading. I specifically said that they are harder to get in bed but WAYYYYYYYYY more worth it when you get there. They are better at sex, look better, smell better, dress better, talk dirty better, talk better OUT of the sack, smarter... you name it, they win! I'll live with a harder way to go to get them in the sack. Plus it evolves you, forces you to be on your best game to rise above the competition. I love that.
People who don't live here have NO IDEA what it's REALLY like. They see a little microcosm when they come here.
Also, women are GENERALLY harder to get than in the States, but the higher up the social ladder you go, the sluttier the women are, and the less they care about physical appearance. The body culture especially here in Bogota is really from Estrato 3 on down. I have no idea why, but that's the way it is.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You have a real bad habit of selective reading. I specifically said that they are harder to get in bed but WAYYYYYYYYY more worth it when you get there. They are better at sex, look better, smell better, dress better, talk dirty better, talk better OUT of the sack, smarter. You name it, they win! I'll live with a harder way to go to get them in the sack. Plus it evolves you, forces you to be on your best game to rise above the competition. I love that.
People who don't live here have NO IDEA what it's REALLY like. They see a little microcosm when they come here.
Also, women are GENERALLY harder to get than in the States, but the higher up the social ladder you go, the sluttier the women are, and the less they care about physical appearance. The body culture especially here in Bogota is really from Estrato 3 on down. I have no idea why, but that's the way it is.[/QUOTE]If they are harder to get. Fuck it. I don't care what the payoff is.
Looks, smells, performance in bed are a personal call so that statement goes right out the window as they say. Any one who thinks any country or place has a monopoly on beautiful women is only fooling themselves.
As I stated if you are happy there. I'm happy for you. Enjoy life and if I'm every in B Town. I hope we can toss a brew and you can show me these fine women. Well the ez ones though. I'm looking for a challenge. I did that in my 20s and 30s. Now I want ez
TG
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]If they are harder to get. Fuck it. I don't care what the payoff is.
Looks, smells, performance in bed are a personal call so that statement goes right out the window as they say. Any one who thinks any country or place has a monopoly on beautiful women is only fooling themselves.
As I stated if you are happy there. I'm happy for you. Enjoy life and if I'm every in B Town. I hope we can toss a brew and you can show me these fine women. Well the ez ones though. I'm looking for a challenge. I did that in my 20s and 30s. Now I want ez
TG[/QUOTE]
The ez ones are the ones you pay for, in ANY country...
One thing I've also always said on this thread or others is.... boy, anybody looking for a traditional faithful woman, I think they are in the wrong UNIVERSE, but they had definitely better look elsewhere than Colombia. Boyfriend, fiance, husband, means FUCK ALL to women down here. Speaking from personal experience.
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Shortage of Single American Ladies Drives Men to Commit.
More like the sheep being pulled nose first into the slaughter house.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/shortageofsingleladiesdrivesmentocommit[/url]
[QUOTE]Women are basically getting snapped up, because the guys want to get her before somebody else does," study author Daniel Kruger, an evolutionary psychologist at the University of Michigan, told Live Science.
Wedding bells ring sooner for women in places where single ladies are scarce, according to a new study of metropolitan areas in America.
Where single women are rare, women marry earlier, researchers reported Aug. 4 in the journal Evolutionary Psychology. The shift may be because the ladies have more men to choose from, while the men have extra motivation to put a ring on it.[/QUOTE]
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Commercials on US TV
I might be over thinking this, but has anyone else noticed that more and more TV commercials seem to be disparaging to men and reinforcing the feminazi mentality?
Example one, is a yogurt commercial where a woman is on the phone talking about how she's lost weight and mentioning all the great foods she is eating. Of course all the foods are different yogurt flavors. The husband is standing behind her and hearing about all the great food he starts rummaging through the fridge looking for all the great food because he doesn't realize it's all yogurt. Anyway, the wife finally sees him and asks him what he is doing, but in a bossy tone, and the guy acts like he has done something really wrong and like he is in trouble. Jesus, men can't look in a fridge now! This commercial isn't too bad, but it is the one that started me thinking.
Example two, are the AT&T/iPhone commercials where a female narrator talks about all the things you can do with the phone, e.g. made reservations, bought tickets for a family event, turn off something they left on at home, etc, etc. The narrator is speaking as a wife and throughout the commercial she constantly says "we did this, we did that" implying that she and her husband did these things together, yet it is done in a sneering tone that actually implies that it is she who is really doing all the stuff and that her husband couldn't or wouldn't do the stuff. The "wife" really comes off in a very superior tone and, to me at least, implies that she is in some way better than her husband.
Example three is a commercial I saw last night advertising a department stores upcoming sales event. Basically what happens is a guy is walking through his house with two friends and he opens a door, gets a stunned look on his face and says, "What happened to my man cave?" It then flashes to his wife sitting in a chair and the room is decorated in a very feminine manner and the wife says, "Now it's a mom room," in a really condescending manner. The commercial then goes on to talk about all the great things on sale for redecorating. When I saw this commercial, I said WTF, and it is the one that prompted me to write this post.
Commercials like this really bother me, they just reinforce the idea that women can basically do anything they want to their husbands/boyfriends and that men should be subservient to them. Have any of you noticed this trend as well, or am I overanalyzing it all.
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Nothing New
This has been going on for years. Look at any sitcom from the past 20 years that portrays a family. The dad is always a helpless dimwit with no judgment who depends on his far smarter and wiser wife and kids for any and all guidance on how to function in life.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]This has been going on for years. Look at any sitcom from the past 20 years that portrays a family. The dad is always a helpless dimwit with no judgment who depends on his far smarter and wiser wife and kids for any and all guidance on how to function in life.[/QUOTE]
You're quite right about that. I just hate seeing it more and more in commercials, the department store one just got me burned up. Can you imagine the reaction if an electronics store, like Best Buy, ran an ad where the husband usurped the "Mom room" and turned it into a Man Cave. It wouldn't surprise me if NOW or some other womens organizations issued a statement about it, something about how it is detrimental to a womans pursuit of equality, blah, blah, blah.
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Going on forever
this kind of crap has been going on forever. The usual portrayal of the NA male is a braindead Bud swilling fat slob, who cannot survive 15 minutes without have some female around to basically help him find his clothes on the floor.
Having not had any NAW for years now, and surviving just fine without them, I can personally say they are entirely not necessary...every female I meet is completely screwed up. The problem with these commercials is they reinforce the stereotypical male, and makes AW even more snooty and arrogant (if that is possible!)
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Craigslist News Story
The intro to the Craigslist ban on adult services story by the reporter was a perfect example of one-sided feminist journalism at its slickest. She said some words to the effect of 'Craigslist is being pressured to close its adult services ads so these women will be protected blah blah blah,' without going into any specific details of any particular woman. She then pretended to be an escort with an ad and fielded various phone calls from despicable men asking donations and other info. Then she ambushed Craig the founder of Craigslist after he did a speaking engagement with questions designed to embarass him.
I wouldn't doubt if whats next on TV is gonna be a show ala MSNBC's to "Catch a Predator," where men looking to hook up with call girls get busted on TV and maybe have their lifes ruined with camouflaged cops jumping out from behind potted plants, guns drawn, handcuffing the poor pathetic johns on their hands and knees while they still have a woody in their pants.
Meanwhile a Brooklyn man was robbed and killed two years ago after meeting a prostitute on Craigslist and linking up with her in the middle of the night. No mention of that at all.
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[QUOTE=Mike12]The intro to the Craigslist ban on adult services story by the reporter was a perfect example of one-sided feminist journalism at its slickest. She said some words to the effect of 'Craigslist is being pressured to close its adult services ads so these women will be protected blah blah blah,' without going into any specific details of any particular woman. She then pretended to be an escort with an ad and fielded various phone calls from despicable men asking donations and other info. Then she ambushed Craig the founder of Craigslist after he did a speaking engagement with questions designed to embarass him.
I wouldn't doubt if whats next on TV is gonna be a show ala MSNBC's to "Catch a Predator," where men looking to hook up with call girls get busted on TV and maybe have their lifes ruined with camouflaged cops jumping out from behind potted plants, guns drawn, handcuffing the poor pathetic johns on their hands and knees while they still have a woody in their pants.
Meanwhile a Brooklyn man was robbed and killed two years ago after meeting a prostitute on Craigslist and linking up with her in the middle of the night. No mention of that at all.[/QUOTE]
Not only that, where's the national outage over Oscar Grant?
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Violent deaths of males is viewed in American society as simply coming with the territory of being male, all races included but especially Black. Violence against men generally is either ignored, downplayed, or joked about. Sexual violence against men especially the prison variety is a source of much humor among comedians and late-night hosts. Can anyone imagine the same people making such jokes about female prison inmates? Of course not.
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Another marriage bites the dust......
I was talking to an AW, former provider, the other day, she told me she had taken time off to have her baby and also married the baby's father, poor sucker. Prior to retiring, about 3 years ago, she told me she was going to overwhelm her husband with unlimited sex, so he wouldn't have time to stray. She forgot one thing, you've got to look appealing to the other sex. I guess after a few month's, her husband got tired and told her he wanted out of the marriage, it did not help that she had gained 100+Ibs. She now claims her husband had to be gay.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]{Putting down men in the media} has been going on for years. Look at any sitcom from the past 20 years that portrays a family. The dad is always a helpless dimwit with no judgment who depends on his far smarter and wiser wife and kids for any and all guidance on how to function in life.[/QUOTE]
Try "the past 2000 years." This kind of thing is actually as old as the Seven Hils of Rome! Google Plautus; the "Old Comedy" of ancient Rome has the exact same hapless [i]pater familias[/i], his domineering wife, and children and servants who make a perfect ass of him.
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[quote=yogin]violent deaths of males is viewed in american society as simply coming with the territory of being male, all races included but especially black. violence against men generally is either ignored, downplayed, or joked about. sexual violence against men especially the prison variety is a source of much humor among comedians and late-night hosts. can anyone imagine the same people making such jokes about female prison inmates? of course not.[/quote]this is a absurd argument.
do you think a woman forcing another woman to eat pussy is any where close to a man being raped by another man.
thats why no one mentions female violence or prison stuff. it would just turn on the men in the audience. women on women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is no where close to the same as men on men [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
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[QUOTE=Westy]Try "the past 2000 years. " This kind of thing is actually as old as the Seven Hils of Rome! Google Plautus; the "Old Comedy" of ancient Rome has the exact same hapless [I]pater familias[/I], his domineering wife, and children and servants who make a perfect ass of him.[/QUOTE]so then if its nothing new. Then its not an AW or NA thing. Last time I read Rome was in europe. And women didn't even have rights.
So its just a comedy thing that most MEN can handle. Except the cry babe whimps who are offended. And thats mainly because they resemble the men being protrayed and are offended.
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So depressing...
Just got back from Buenos Aires a few days ago, and it's already occurred to me that the next blow job I get could be years away. After a certain age, women here in the states offer you a brief sample of a blow job, like a movie preview, at most.
But things aren't all so bad. I'm a bachelor stiill at 40, and I've heard of the many devoted husbands and fathers who go to serve their countries in Iraq and Afghanistan only to come home to divorce papers. One fellow's wife told him via web cam that she was banging another dude.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]Just got back from Buenos Aires a few days ago, and it's already occurred to me that the next blow job I get could be years away. After a certain age, women here in the states offer you a brief sample of a blow job, like a movie preview, at most.
But things aren't all so bad. I'm a bachelor stiill at 40, and I've heard of the many devoted husbands and fathers who go to serve their countries in Iraq and Afghanistan only to come home to divorce papers. One fellow's wife told him via web cam that she was banging another dude.[/QUOTE]
Like you would want an opportunistic tramp that married a "free ride"; Full benefits, doesn't have to work and gets almost everything at a serve discount.
All that disappears once she ejects from that lifestyle. Usually with children in tow.
Fun, Fun, Fun.
It is depressing until I can actually do something about it....
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Sorry
I only wanna say sorry to the guys in NA who get into trap of AW. I just moved to Central Asia. Have been for a few days with a local GF who looks like a fotomodel, she is almost 30 but looks like 19, cooks, takes care of her apartment, fucks better than brazilera. because of her had to dump some other girl friends for a while since gotta do this girl 4-5-6 times a day/night. And in addition to that now figuring out weather should marry a 22 y.o. nice girl who is still virgin. or look for another one... It is a different world. Very different problems.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]so then if its nothing new. Then its not an AW or NA thing. Last time I read Rome was in europe. And women didn't even have rights.
So its just a comedy thing that most MEN can handle. Except the cry babe whimps who are offended. And thats mainly because they resemble the men being protrayed and are offended.[/QUOTE]
Wrong, again TG! In fact, the women of ancient Rome did have rights, they could inherit, they could own property and they could even initiate a divorce.
Originally Posted by Westy
Try "the past 2000 years. " This kind of thing is actually as old as the Seven Hils of Rome! Google Plautus; the "Old Comedy" of ancient Rome has the exact same hapless pater familias, his domineering wife, and children and servants who make a perfect ass of him."
The comedic value of this play to the ancient Romans was the fact that the Paterfamilias was the ultimate authority in family matters and if his decisions did not violate Roman law then he had the final word. In some cases the Paterfamilias even had the right to execute family members at his discretion. I'm sure the men of Rome found a henpecked Paterfamilias quite funny. The difference between then and now is that the men of today don't have any rights.
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[quote=thatguy865]do you think a woman forcing another woman to eat pussy is any where close to a man being raped by another man.
thats why no one mentions female violence or prison stuff. it would just turn on the men in the audience. women on women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is no where close to the same as men on men [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].[/quote]
statements like that demonstrate a severe lack of understanding of sexual assault and of female sexuality. forcing a woman to "eat pussy" is no different, and no less degrading, than forcing a man to suck cock. it's the act of being forced that causes the hurt and humiliation. and i assume you were comparing female oral sex with male penetrative sex, but women in prison are also raped with broomsticks, batons, bottles, even knives. (they are also raped by male prison staff).
the reason nobody jokes about women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women, is because too many people think like you...that a woman [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] another woman is completely harmless. or maybe even enjoyable. it's rarely even named as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]'.
domestic violence perpetrated by women is talked about in the same way. if a woman is hit by her husband, everyone is horrified. if a woman hits her husband, people laugh. why? because women are seen as not having the physical strength to bash someone, so any man who gets beaten up by a woman must be a complete pansy. and female to female violence is treated in the same way as female to female [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] - it's a sexy catfight, rather than a brutal bashing.
this double standard is an insult to women and grossly underestimates the suffering of victims of female violence. it's not 'funny' when men are bashed by their wives, nor is it 'sexy' when female prisoners force themselves on other inmates. women are just as capable of violence as men and it's about time society started acknowledging that.
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well said rn!!!
thatguy, since you love aw so much, here's one for you.
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[quote=rubber nursey]statements like that demonstrate a severe lack of understanding of sexual assault and of female sexuality. forcing a woman to "eat pussy" is no different, and no less degrading, than forcing a man to suck cock. it's the act of being forced that causes the hurt and humiliation. and i assume you were comparing female oral sex with male penetrative sex, but women in prison are also raped with broomsticks, batons, bottles, even knives. (they are also raped by male prison staff).
the reason nobody jokes about women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women, is because too many people think like you...that a woman [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] another woman is completely harmless. or maybe even enjoyable. it's rarely even named as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]'.
domestic violence perpetrated by women is talked about in the same way. if a woman is hit by her husband, everyone is horrified. if a woman hits her husband, people laugh. why? because women are seen as not having the physical strength to bash someone, so any man who gets beaten up by a woman must be a complete pansy. and female to female violence is treated in the same way as female to female [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] - it's a sexy catfight, rather than a brutal bashing.
this double standard is an insult to women and grossly underestimates the suffering of victims of female violence. it's not 'funny' when men are bashed by their wives, nor is it 'sexy' when female prisoners force themselves on other inmates. women are just as capable of violence as men and it's about time society started acknowledging that.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Well said RN!!!
Thatguy, since you LOVE AW so much, here's one for you.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/supreme-diva-98-azz-ssbbw-pornstar-coming-to-your-town-soon-supreme-diva-98azz-38/6894573[/url][/QUOTE]The link does not work. I believe that ThatGuy does not "love" AW at all.
He has been going to Colombia and Philipines, obviously to fuck good-looking young girls there. If ThatGuy were fucking the same amount of American girls of the same age and beauty as he fucks girls overseas, then what he says would make much more sense. Fucking yourself foreign girls but telling others AW are the same, is false propaganda, misleading scam or something.
BTW many people in other countries still believe AW are the most sexiest and easiest women. Hollywood is doing good job.
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[quote=rubber nursey]statements like that demonstrate a severe lack of understanding of sexual assault and of female sexuality. forcing a woman to "eat pussy" is no different, and no less degrading, than forcing a man to suck cock. it's the act of being forced that causes the hurt and humiliation. and i assume you were comparing female oral sex with male penetrative sex, but women in prison are also raped with broomsticks, batons, bottles, even knives. (they are also raped by male prison staff).
the reason nobody jokes about women [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] women, is because too many people think like you...that a woman [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] another woman is completely harmless. or maybe even enjoyable. it's rarely even named as '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]'.
domestic violence perpetrated by women is talked about in the same way. if a woman is hit by her husband, everyone is horrified. if a woman hits her husband, people laugh. why? because women are seen as not having the physical strength to bash someone, so any man who gets beaten up by a woman must be a complete pansy. and female to female violence is treated in the same way as female to female [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] - it's a sexy catfight, rather than a brutal bashing.
this double standard is an insult to women and grossly underestimates the suffering of victims of female violence. it's not 'funny' when men are bashed by their wives, nor is it 'sexy' when female prisoners force themselves on other inmates. women are just as capable of violence as men and it's about time society started acknowledging that.[/quote]while what you say is true. the big difference is the likely hood and the frequency of which sex would be violently raped. while a women might have to engage in lesibian sex "eating pussy" it might be degrading but the difference is the stigma. a woman can come out and say i was forced to eat pussy while i was in. no one will fault her, judge her and she can continue life with no stigma attached. now let a man come out and say yeah i was forced to suck dick while i was in prison. and see how he is viewed. let alone let him say he was butt fucked. every one will question his manhood.
plus the incidence of violent [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is 100 times more likely in a male prison than a women's. so you toot that society needs to recoqnize to some other willie lump lump. but it won't fly with me.
tg. always keepin it real.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Well said RN!!!
Thatguy, since you LOVE AW so much, here's one for you.
[url]http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/supreme-diva-98-azz-ssbbw-pornstar-coming-to-your-town-soon-supreme-diva-98azz-38/6894573[/url][/QUOTE]Yours is gone. And you right how could anyone like women like this.
Of course not you? They couldn't pay you to touch any of these girls. Right?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haP10XfdXI&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqPUd8WOog[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeHoovras8&NR=1[/url]
Of course they way too fat for any of you guys.
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I can guarantee, all the gals you've shown are NOT worth a hill of beans in the sack.
Here's that pic....
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Yours is gone. And you right how could anyone like women like this.
Of course not you? They couldn't pay you to touch any of these girls. Right?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haP10XfdXI&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqPUd8WOog[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeHoovras8&NR=1[/url]
Of course they way too fat for any of you guys.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I can guarantee, all the gals you've shown are NOT worth a hill of beans in the sack.
Here's that pic....[/QUOTE]Oh an you can that. How. By just looking at a women. Or USA air just make a women libido go to hell. Thats about one silly statement.
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Thank you, RN.
Regarding domestic violence: female on male violence, especially among the elderly, is way underreported and underprosecuted. Police and district attorneys don't give a fuck. For women perpetrators, even if they have a size disadvantage they can use weapons or the element of surprise.
When I was in grad school recently I discovered that the faculty and students refused to recognize the prevalence of domestic violence in gay and lesbian relationships. Why deny this dirty secret? Because it subverts the feminist narrative of men as victimizers and women as victims.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Wow sounds like you needed a servant and you wonder why AW don't line up for that life style. And then if you divorce. Youll be one who says dam she didn't pay for one thing in the place and I have to split with her. Because working like a servant is want she was meant to do. Right. Its nature. Right[/QUOTE]You're jealous
My wife would be glad to answer this for you but she is out cutting the grass
She would laugh at your comment
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Thank you, RN.
Regarding domestic violence: female on male violence, especially among the elderly, is way underreported and underprosecuted. Police and district attorneys don't give a fuck. For women perpetrators, even if they have a size disadvantage they can use weapons or the element of surprise.
When I was in grad school recently I discovered that the faculty and students refused to recognize the prevalence of domestic violence in gay and lesbian relationships. Why deny this dirty secret? Because it subverts the feminist narrative of men as victimizers and women as victims.[/QUOTE]So you are saying the faculity and students were in with the feminist movement. They have some secret alliance with the students. You should have known didn't you see their secret handshake.
Everyone knows, well anyone with any sense. Knows that the overwhelming numbers of domestic violence is male on female. Now is there women on men violence. Is it abundance. No freaking way. Unless you call nagging, domestic violence. Then youd be right.
As for gay on gay. It probably doesn't get reported as much because a man isn't going to call LE on another man as quickly as a woman would. And woman on woman is probably a small percentage. Too small to be news worthy when it does happen. I'm sure it happens. Also gays really only recently are being more accepted in mainstream society. At least in major metros. Still not in alot of rural communities. So a lot of gay domestic disputes go unreported due to the fact they want to keep their sexuality in the closet. So there are a lot of other issues related to gay couples.
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Thatguy
Seems we had a "guy" like "thatguy" on the old (and now gone) RWG (Russian Women Guide) board.
He would read all the trip reports written by men who went to Russia or Ukraine and he would always buck up for AW.
TG is the one who thinks my wife is a "servant" because she enjoys and.insists- on doing things most AW will never do for you.
Right now she is out cutting the grass. She is so cool I could mix a drink, pull the recliner out in the yard and tell he when she misses a spot.
On top of that, if I told her I was hungry, she would stop and make me whatever I wanted to eat.
Sometimes I show her these posts made by TG and she just laughs.
My ukrainian wife is smarter than most any of my exAW girlfriends, many of whom went to school.
It is just a different culture.
Even the recreational GF's I had while living in ukraine, as they were putting on their clothes and they noticed my laundry drying from a wash, they would volunteer to iron it for me, or offer to go to the market (on my money) and bring back something to make for me to eat. All this after a few hours of sex.
The best part? My wife would think I was gay if I didn't have interest in other women.
In fact, once she comes in from cutting the grass, I'll ask her is she thinks TG is gay.
Some people just do not understand, usually because they have never visited another country or have been thoroughly brainwashed here in sex prison.
Maybe he watches too many american commercials and sitcoms.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I can guarantee, all the gals you've shown are NOT worth a hill of beans in the sack.
Here's that pic....[/QUOTE]Nice pic. First you guys say all AW are fat. I show you stunners. And now miraculously you can look at them and tell they arent good in bed. Wow. With that talent every woman you must have been with must have been great cause you can look at a woman an know her sexual capabilities.
Damn did I see you in the circus, your booth was right next to the guy who can guess everyones weight. Was that you. "step right up ladies & gents and let me tell you guys how your girl performs"
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Tempo
i'm starting to realize that i need to slow down when i make sex to american women. especially when i nail one when i'm drunk and on the first date and the clothes come off, i just want to jack hammer it home doggy style at warp speed.
you know, you barely know them, and their maw is gaped wide open, and we barely know each other's names, it's sort of awkward. sometimes after drinking with a woman, when we're screwing, i'm often thinking, "goddamn, i'm dehydrated."
the awkward part of dating is that often they pony up that pussy on the first date, and then they tell you all you want is sex.
a friend told me the secret to a lasting relationship is to build a friendship before you fuck. might make sense.
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ThatGuy it's obvious, just like the guy in the video, AW have you pussy whipped.
[url]http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=7443b968a444224214bc[/url]
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Nice pic. First you guys say all AW are fat. I show you stunners. And now miraculously you can look at them and tell they arent good in bed. Wow. With that talent every woman you must have been with must have been great cause you can look at a woman an know her sexual capabilities.
Damn did I see you in the circus, your booth was right next to the guy who can guess everyones weight. Was that you. "step right up ladies & gents and let me tell you guys how your girl performs"[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Yours is gone. And you right how could anyone like women like this.
Of course not you? They couldn't pay you to touch any of these girls. Right?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haP10XfdXI&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqPUd8WOog[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeHoovras8&NR=1[/url]
Of course they way too fat for any of you guys.[/QUOTE]
Nice bodies but the faces leave a lot to be desired.
I live in Colombia now, I can AFFORD to be that picky.... ;)
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Nice bodies but the faces leave a lot to be desired.
I live in Colombia now, I can AFFORD to be that picky.... ;)[/QUOTE]Oh yeah. I can see why you are picky. Who would pass up these for an AW
Nothing but beautiful women in Colombia. You got to see them to believe it
You are right bango. I can see why you ae there now
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPYUp1yjtk&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7twEGoz2eE&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJLJIrKHyI&feature=related[/url]
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Yours is gone. And you right how could anyone like women like this.
Of course not you? They couldn't pay you to touch any of these girls. Right?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haP10XfdXI&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqPUd8WOog[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeHoovras8&NR=1[/url]
Of course they way too fat for any of you guys.[/QUOTE]Of course there are some(very low %) good-looking girls in USA. I never said otherwise.
But what matters the % of them among the total number of good-looking girls plus their attitude, behavior, etc. Which is getting to be really bad because the low % of them. They feel they are too important and behave accordingly, even the fat and ugly ones.
Some of the girls on the video are alright, but are they friendly? Will they go on a date with you? Will they suck you like crazy? How about cooking, etc?
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One out of every what?
One out of every 1,000 AW may look like this, and that is stretching it. Next thing I would ask is how is their personality: Are they conceded? Stuck up? Attitude problems? How are they in bed? Are they full of fire and uninhibited or are they cold and manipulative? If one is lucky enough to meet someone that looks anything like this in the Sex Prison, don't you need to show someone looking like these ladies your 401K, salary stub, bank account and portfolio?
Get out of the jail cell here and you don't need to wonder about any of the things mentioned above and many more that I couldn't think of. Women overseas are just superior to the average mind-numbing, erratic, psychologically programmed by the media, AW's.
I tell you, the decay of the former great American society is being forced by the catalyst force that the good old AW has become. You go girls!!! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Yours is gone. And you right how could anyone like women like this.
Of course not you? They couldn't pay you to touch any of these girls. Right?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haP10XfdXI&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vqPUd8WOog[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeHoovras8&NR=1[/url]
Of course they way too fat for any of you guys.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Thank you, RN. Regarding domestic violence: female on male violence, especially among the elderly, is way underreported and underprosecuted. Police and district attorneys don't give a fuck. For women perpetrators, even if they have a size disadvantage they can use weapons or the element of surprise. When I was in grad school recently I discovered that the faculty and students refused to recognize the prevalence of domestic violence in gay and lesbian relationships. Why deny this dirty secret? Because it subverts the feminist narrative of men as victimizers and women as victims.[/QUOTE]
I think I mentioned this a few years back, but I had a boyfriend who was abused by his ex. He was a VERY big man and she was a tiny little thing. She hit him, bit him, burned him...and he, conscious of his size and strength, was too scared to fight back in case he hurt her. Just like male abusers, she also punished him sexually, tormented him psychologically and manipulated him into staying in the abusive relationship. When he finally found the courage to tell one of his mates, he was laughed at. As a victim of domestic violence myself, I know how hard it is for a woman to be believed and get help. A man has no chance, whatsoever.
And yes, denial of abuse within gay and lesbian relationships is also rife. I agree that it's about reinforcing the idea of women as victims and, like I said in my last post, that really shits me. Not only does it cast all men as violent and abusive, it also paints women as weak little princess who can't hurt a fly and/or defend themselves ...which, in my opinion, is entirely UNfeminist!
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Oh yeah. I can see why you are picky. Who would pass up these for an AW
Nothing but beautiful women in Colombia. You got to see them to believe it
You are right bango. I can see why you ae there now
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPYUp1yjtk&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7twEGoz2eE&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJLJIrKHyI&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
You proved my point. You showed low class hookers and a bunch of guisas in Colombia and put them put against beauty contest finalists in the US. :)
There's one girl here who stacks up against any of the girls you posted and I can bang her any time I want for 40.000 pesos.... a little more than $20 USD....
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You proved my point. You showed low class hookers and a bunch of guisas in Colombia and put them put against beauty contest finalists in the US.
There's one girl here who stacks up against any of the girls you posted and I can bang her any time I want for 40. 000 pesos. A little more than $20 USD.[/QUOTE]I didn't see any I'd let my german shepard do. But I guess that goes to your taste in women.
And I guess the AW you guys have posted were friends of Paris hilton and hung out with carmen electra, who happens to be an AW.
I guess as they say we will just have to agree to disagree. You love it there and are satisfied and that all that should count for you.
I think there are good AW to be found. Actually I think there are good women to be be found in every country. No country has a monopoly on beautiful. Personable, sensuous women.
When I was under 35, I fucked women without a care. Many I don't remember. Thought if you were under 35 and did P4P you were a lame poot butt, and thats the kind of guys that I ran with. In our world, if you couldn't pull a woman. Then you were just lame. My friends to this day. Would laugh/tease me if they knew I partook in P4P even at this age of my life. We turned out hoes. We didn't pay them.
So maybe its just I can't relate to you guys. I always had at least 1 woman if not 2. As the saying goes "Its a poor rat that only has 1 hole to run too"
So if the good ones are too hard for you to get. I guess going where they are easier makes sense.
TG. Keepin it real. As they say.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I think I mentioned this a few years back, but I had a boyfriend who was abused by his ex. He was a VERY big man and she was a tiny little thing. She hit him, bit him, burned him...and he, conscious of his size and strength, was too scared to fight back in case he hurt her. Just like male abusers, she also punished him sexually, tormented him psychologically and manipulated him into staying in the abusive relationship. When he finally found the courage to tell one of his mates, he was laughed at. As a victim of domestic violence myself, I know how hard it is for a woman to be believed and get help. A man has no chance, whatsoever.
And yes, denial of abuse within gay and lesbian relationships is also rife. I agree that it's about reinforcing the idea of women as victims and, like I said in my last post, that really shits me. Not only does it cast all men as violent and abusive, it also paints women as weak little princess who can't hurt a fly and/or defend themselves ...which, in my opinion, is entirely UNfeminist![/QUOTE]Rn.
I know what you are saying and indeed there are cases like that. But lets face it the majority of domestic violence cases are not women beating on men. And thats just a fact.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You proved my point. You showed low class hookers and a bunch of guisas in Colombia and put them put against beauty contest finalists in the US. :)
There's one girl here who stacks up against any of the girls you posted and I can bang her any time I want for 40.000 pesos.... a little more than $20 USD....[/QUOTE]
A girl from Chile, who I see every once in a while, told me that Colombian girls take the cake when it comes to screwing. I happen to agree with this assessment, they are the best IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Nice bodies but the faces leave a lot to be desired.
I live in Colombia now, I can AFFORD to be that picky.... ;)[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I found all of them more than acceptable, considering what's generally available to most men in America...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You proved my point. You showed low class hookers and a bunch of guisas in Colombia and put them put against beauty contest finalists in the US. :)
There's one girl here who stacks up against any of the girls you posted and I can bang her any time I want for 40.000 pesos.... a little more than $20 USD....[/QUOTE]
TG is a moron there's no telling or helping him/her understand.
I wonder why he went out of his way to find some so-so looking Colombian Women when the examples of hot girls from Colombia are only TOO easy to find, even on You Tube.
He's/She's a dope.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]To be honest, I found all of them more than acceptable, considering what's generally available to most men in America...[/QUOTE]That's the problem in America. Incredibly low standards for women, that even a nasty pig with no class is considered a woman.
Here, in Central Asia, a photomodel body is a norm to me, it's even out of concern, plenty available, dressing with class, style, decent behavior. I have trouble choosing by looks only. Now looking for more traits such as personality, cooking skills, voice, if she drinks/smokes(most don't), if she is a virgin, how she deals with children, etc. The girl must pass lots of tests, her perfect looks are not enough. I'm not talking about sluts/ho's(they are available too), it's decent girls, very hard to get, but well worth it.
Today have a date with 5'2" 90 lbs 22y. E. Looks much younger, incredibly hot body. And later this week going for a trip to Russian resort area with a taller model look-like girl. Crazy in bed, ready to fuck 24/7. Thanks god they have no idea what value they would have in weird messed up places such as USA. All the girls from those videos are nothing compared to them by looks only. The younger girl thinks she is just a regular girl with lots of bad traits, so she is even kinda suspicious why I'm interested with her. I'm sure she is not the best out here, but compared to USA etc., its a gem.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]A girl from Chile, who I see every once in a while, told me that Colombian girls take the cake when it comes to screwing. I happen to agree with this assessment, they are the best IMHO.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's the other thing... believe me I've had plenty of both... and frankly now when i'm travelling I probably would just forego sex until I'm back here... why even bother :P
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Goga you make some great points. In my early days, I wasted a lot of time and energy chasing those so called American "Hotties" TG talks about. Too HOT looking to screw, too HOT looking to cook, too HOT looking to clean, too HOT looking to care of the children, etc. A big gigantic waste of time IMHO. Some guys never learn and keep chasing these types of women.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Of course there are some(very low %) good-looking girls in USA. I never said otherwise.
But what matters the % of them among the total number of good-looking girls plus their attitude, behavior, etc.
They feel they are too important and behave accordingly, even the fat and ugly ones.
Some of the girls on the video are alright, but are they friendly? Will they go on a date with you? Will they suck you like crazy? How about cooking, etc?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]That's the problem in America. Incredibly low standards for women, that even a nasty pig with no class is considered a woman.
Here, in Central Asia, a photomodel body is a norm to me, it's even out of concern, plenty available, dressing with class, style, decent behavior. I have trouble choosing by looks only. Now looking for more traits such as personality, cooking skills, voice, if she drinks/smokes(most don't), if she is a virgin, how she deals with children, etc. The girl must pass lots of tests, her perfect looks are not enough. I'm not talking about sluts/ho's(they are available too), it's decent girls, very hard to get, but well worth it.
Today have a date with 5'2" 90 lbs 22y. E. Looks much younger, incredibly hot body. And later this week going for a trip to Russian resort area with a taller model look-like girl. Crazy in bed, ready to fuck 24/7. Thanks god they have no idea what value they would have in weird messed up places such as USA. All the girls from those videos are nothing compared to them by looks only. The younger girl thinks she is just a regular girl with lots of bad traits, so she is even kinda suspicious why I'm interested with her. I'm sure she is not the best out here, but compared to USA etc., its a gem.[/QUOTE]
Not surprising there's a documentary on Link TV called [i]Japan - A Story of Love and Hate[/i] The subject of this is a Japanese guy (56) who lost everything when the Japanese economy crashed in the early 90's. He's shacked up with a woman half his age (29). She's the one that saved him from being homeless!
Are there ANY Western Women like that? Especially in our broken economy with so many men being laid off from jobs. Many jobs that will never return.
There was a lady on Dylan Ratigan's show that's divorcing her husband after he lost his job in late 2008, hasn't been able to get another one. She had to go back into the job market. [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/[/url]
Its likely she started the divorce since she was a stay at home mom and he made 6 digits before being laid off. They were force to sell their home and had one of their cars repo'ed.
American Men need to educate themselves on the new reality and break away from these materialistic women who are not willing to do what's best for the family.
This has been a 30-35 year process that has come home to roost and there's no point in hooking up with AW at all. The good women are too few and far between, not to mention many are overweight because obesity is a problem in America.
That's what makes me think TG is a woman because he seemed insulted by Robert's wife mowing the lawn, when its likely he works and she doesn't so she takes care of the house. Who said it was a man's job to mow the lawn???
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] That's what makes me think TG is a woman because he seemed insulted by Robert's wife mowing the lawn, when its likely he works and she doesn't so she takes care of the house. Who said it was a man's job to mow the lawn???[/QUOTE]Unless she really wants it(like its a form of fitness), I would not make my woman mow the lawn or similar stuff. I would prefer her to excel in Fucking&Sucking, Cooking, cleaning, keeping in shape, etc.. Now already have one of those, but looking for a younger one.
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I went to Atunes here in Bogota today. I didn't know which way to turn, there were at least 10 women in there that were STUNNING... it took me half an hour just to make up my mind which girl to talk to first.... then I fucked the shit out of her for $25USD. Half the girls in that place (there were about 40 girls working) put any of those gringa beauty contest bitches to SHAME....
And they pale in comparison to the beauty i'm seeing tomorrow who I met in a bar a few weeks ago hanging out drinking beers with my friend... we probably won't have sex (Colombian women VERY rarely do it on the first date) but I know when we do it will be another mind-blowing universe-changing experience.
Nah, I'm definitely stuck here ;)
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Have to check out Atunes if I decide to put up with Bogota weather.
Have a buddy, really nice guy, chiropractor, 6-fig income, big house, 3 little kids, stay at home mom, and guess what, the bytch wants a divorce. He never saw it coming. Never met her, but based on what I know, she seems really lazy, he would always tell me how he had to run after this or that after work, I'm thinking, why the hell can't she do it? Two of the kids are in school, so there was only the one left at home.
Of course, she now has it made in the shade. He will be moving out, so she gets the big house, the big support payments, the wheels, all he winds up with is a monthly rent bill, and the mortgage for the big house she stays in.
Why anybody would even want to come within 10 yds of one of these NAW bytches is beyond my imagination
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Close, but not so close!
Even thought they are both very close in their uninhibitness, I have to give the edge to Brazilian women. They can both be volcanic when it comes to mattress games, but Brazilian women are just so laid back, they always seem to go for their own pleasure and guarantee yours where Colombians are sometimes unsure and hesitant about the deed. Brazilians are just really into it from my experience and my own opinion. If I must rate it on a scale from 1 to 10, Brazilians get a 10+ where Colombianas I'd give a 9.8. AW's I'll score a 1.5 forthe rare gem that one finds from time to time.
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]A girl from Chile, who I see every once in a while, told me that Colombian girls take the cake when it comes to screwing. I happen to agree with this assessment, they are the best IMHO.[/QUOTE]
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Alright Voyager, Ajax, et al.
Seems like you all agree that colombianas and brazilians are uninhibited and fun in the sack. How do they rate with kinkiness? I have some experience with asian girls (japanese, korean and thai) and they are/can be freaky girls naturally. They also seem to take a certain twisted pride in doing whatever it takes to please their man. Even it they don't particularly fancy something, they will do it and even learn to like it for him.
So, how do the southern girls rate, with 1 being missionary only with the lights out and 10 being whips, chains, blood, animals, groups and whatever other twisted fetish you can imagine? Are they, generally speaking, open to pushing boundaries or do they just like a good ole fashioned jack hammering and a cig?
Curious minds want to know.
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[QUOTE=Strangeman]Alright Voyager, Ajax, et al.
Seems like you all agree that colombianas and brazilians are uninhibited and fun in the sack. How do they rate with kinkiness? I have some experience with asian girls (japanese, korean and thai) and they are/can be freaky girls naturally. They also seem to take a certain twisted pride in doing whatever it takes to please their man. Even it they don't particularly fancy something, they will do it and even learn to like it for him.
So, how do the southern girls rate, with 1 being missionary only with the lights out and 10 being whips, chains, blood, animals, groups and whatever other twisted fetish you can imagine? Are they, generally speaking, open to pushing boundaries or do they just like a good ole fashioned jack hammering and a cig?
Curious minds want to know.[/QUOTE]
I'd give em both about an 8. As a matter of fact, ALL my kinky sex has been with Colombians and Brazilians.
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You said It!
[quote=goga fung]that's the problem in america. incredibly low standards for women, that even a nasty pig with no class is considered a woman.
here, in central asia, a photomodel body is a norm to me, it's even out of concern, plenty available, dressing with class, style, decent behavior. i have trouble choosing by looks only. now looking for more traits such as personality, cooking skills, voice, if she drinks/smokes(most don't), if she is a virgin, how she deals with children, etc. the girl must pass lots of tests, her perfect looks are not enough. i'm not talking about sluts/ho's(they are available too), it's decent girls, very hard to get, but well worth it.
today have a date with 5'2" 90 lbs 22y. e. looks much younger, incredibly hot body. and later this week going for a trip to russian resort area with a taller model look-like girl. crazy in bed, ready to fuck 24/7. thanks god they have no idea what value they would have in weird messed up places such as usa. all the girls from those videos are nothing compared to them by looks only. the younger girl thinks she is just a regular girl with lots of bad traits, so she is even kinda suspicious why i'm interested with her. i'm sure she is not the best out here, but compared to usa etc., its a gem.[/quote]
it's not too hard to find oneself living vicariously through some of these posts. if anyone yearns for the american women culture keep on reading...
was at the courtesy desk of my local supermarket to get a lottery ticket when i found myself waiting on three young female workers to finish their conversation which was getting quite loud. the gist of it was that 'he's got a crush on me,' 'ew gross' and 'what are you gonna do about that?' while the subject of attention processed my card while running her mouth, i jumped in and asked 'how do you know he has a crush on you?' now this chick is no prize package being very homely looking with a potato-shaped body, so it got me curious with her diva-like attitude. after my question it got dead silent, they all looked at each other and she said more to them than to me 'well he's always staring at me and asking me personal stuff.' they didn't even wait for any feedback from me and kept talking loudly while i left quite mystified.
thankfully i did not win the lottery as sharing any of the pot with that motley crew would churn my stomach.
some pet peeves that i keep running into that are prevalent in my neck of the woods:
1. obese or non-obese, non-attractive white girl slicks hair up, wears tight clothes with butt padding and expects the brothas to come running tongues hanging out.
2. ugly heavy black chicks bragging about cheating on their greek boyfriend with an italian guy forgetting they resemble a burnt match.
3. hot black chick who only goes for the jason statham types.
4. controlling puertoriquenas who figure white guys are easy to control and target them because the alternative is too hard to control.
5. lesbian duos playing dicktease games out in public with frustrated guys.
6. overweight chicks with the attitude of jennifer lopez.
7. female store clerks who ignore you, talk to co-workers, talk on phone, and avoid any interaction for whatever stuck-up reason.
8. beautiful young woman who look like they stepped out of oaxaca, guangdong, kiev, or cali, until they open their mouth and spoil it with word up my n***a, n***a whut! nah son, f*** dat n***a ya heard! ***** this, n***a that, dats how i be gettin my swerve on, feel me. and no i'm not exaggerating here one bit.
9. headcase dominicanas. apparently a worldwide phenomena as the last time i was in buenos aires (too long) i stopped off at cafe orleans and the other one nearby. these cafes are full of chicas from different countries with blondes from brazil at this table, and dark-haired paraguayanas at that table, argentina women over there, etc. i asked my argentinian friend what about those hot chicas way over there, and he says 'no good, no bueno dominicana, barracudas! barracudas! no bueno,' i thought he was gonna have a heart attack!
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[quote=mike12]it's not too hard to find oneself living vicariously through some of these posts. if anyone yearns for the american women culture keep on reading...
was at the courtesy desk of my local supermarket to get a lottery ticket when i found myself waiting on three young female workers to finish their conversation which was getting quite loud. the gist of it was that 'he's got a crush on me,' 'ew gross' and 'what are you gonna do about that?' while the subject of attention processed my card while running her mouth, i jumped in and asked 'how do you know he has a crush on you?' now this chick is no prize package being very homely looking with a potato-shaped body, so it got me curious with her diva-like attitude. after my question it got dead silent, they all looked at each other and she said more to them than to me 'well he's always staring at me and asking me personal stuff.' they didn't even wait for any feedback from me and kept talking loudly while i left quite mystified.
thankfully i did not win the lottery as sharing any of the pot with that motley crew would churn my stomach.
some pet peeves that i keep running into that are prevalent in my neck of the woods:
1. obese or non-obese, non-attractive white girl slicks hair up, wears tight clothes with butt padding and expects the brothas to come running tongues hanging out.
2. ugly heavy black chicks bragging about cheating on their greek boyfriend with an italian guy forgetting they resemble a burnt match.
3. hot black chick who only goes for the jason statham types.
4. controlling puertoriquenas who figure white guys are easy to control and target them because the alternative is too hard to control.
5. lesbian duos playing dicktease games out in public with frustrated guys.
6. overweight chicks with the attitude of jennifer lopez.
7. female store clerks who ignore you, talk to co-workers, talk on phone, and avoid any interaction for whatever stuck-up reason.
8. beautiful young woman who look like they stepped out of oaxaca, guangdong, kiev, or cali, until they open their mouth and spoil it with word up my n***a, n***a whut! nah son, f*** dat n***a ya heard! ***** this, n***a that, dats how i be gettin my swerve on, feel me. and no i'm not exaggerating here one bit.
9. headcase dominicanas. apparently a worldwide phenomena as the last time i was in buenos aires (too long) i stopped off at cafe orleans and the other one nearby. these cafes are full of chicas from different countries with blondes from brazil at this table, and dark-haired paraguayanas at that table, argentina women over there, etc. i asked my argentinian friend what about those hot chicas way over there, and he says 'no good, no bueno dominicana, barracudas! barracudas! no bueno,' i thought he was gonna have a heart attack![/quote]
mike12 you're not the only one that's complaining about single life in nyc.
i do find eastern european woman talking all "ghetto" very interesting. i wonder if they know that intelligent, educated black men don't talk like that, at least not in the presence of people we don't know. even then i don't use that much slang (ebonics) in private.
my boy's girlfriend who's russian doesn't speak that way. neither does this ukrainian brunette i'm trying to "holla" at.
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The whole lesbian duo I really don't mind. I remember riding the 6 train out of Hunts Point watching two Puerto Rican girls suck face. Friends told me the two were a common sight.
Tough thing about New York, and a lot of places, is every time you refuse to meet some modest girl's outrageous demands, some sucker will give her all that and more.
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Is it possible that regionally American Women are different. e.g. californian women are different from texans?
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]The whole lesbian duo I really don't mind. I remember riding the 6 train out of Hunts Point watching two Puerto Rican girls suck face. Friends told me the two were a common sight.
Tough thing about New York, and a lot of places, is every time you refuse to meet some modest girl's outrageous demands, some sucker will give her all that and more.[/QUOTE]
Why so some men get turned on by two women kissing?????
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[QUOTE=Kalel21]Is it possible that regionally American Women are different. e.g. californian women are different from texans?[/QUOTE]
Some would say both yes and no.
Our culture/society bakes alot of what you don't want into the cake already. Like assuming you'll find a intelligent but liberated women in college towns. That I would say its a BIG NO! Far more of the women are going to be intelligent but bitchy and demanding.
In America's ten largest cities I would say that behavior among the women in these cities is roughly the same, because the complaints are the same...
I have no fantasies of going into the rural midwest or mid-sized cities like Minn/St Paul as some people suggest to find somebody, its just a waste of time IMHO. Depending what you want, you'll find something MUCH faster overseas.
If the obesity problem was under control in America I might be worth finding a woman inside the States but frankly, because of the weight issues so many women have, its not worth it because of entitlement problems.
If your under 50 and seek something long term, just forget it, don't waste your time. Save all the money you would otherwise spend on local or women in the US and save it for traveling overseas.
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Turned on?
DJ, I don't know that I get turned on necessarily by two women kissing. But it is kind of fascinating.
The funny part was that most men were on the edge of their seats. Women were horrified. I've dated a few bisexual women. I think they're probably even more focused on themselves sexually than heterosexual women are.
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[quote=mike12]some pet peeves that i keep running into that are prevalent in my neck of the woods:
1. obese or non-obese, non-attractive white girl slicks hair up, wears tight clothes with butt padding and expects the brothas to come running tongues hanging out.
2. ugly heavy black chicks bragging about cheating on their greek boyfriend with an italian guy forgetting they resemble a burnt match.
3. hot black chick who only goes for the jason statham types.
4. controlling puertoriquenas who figure white guys are easy to control and target them because the alternative is too hard to control.
5. lesbian duos playing dicktease games out in public with frustrated guys.
6. overweight chicks with the attitude of jennifer lopez.
7. female store clerks who ignore you, talk to co-workers, talk on phone, and avoid any interaction for whatever stuck-up reason.
8. beautiful young woman who look like they stepped out of oaxaca, guangdong, kiev, or cali, until they open their mouth and spoil it with word up my n***a, n***a whut! nah son, f*** that n***a ya heard! ***** this, n***a that, dats how i be gettin my swerve on, feel me. and no i'm not exaggerating here one bit.
9. headcase dominicanas.[/quote]i think this is a good summary of what prevails in most of the usa.
so i can't get why would some people (thatguy) here advocate for such women.
in usa i have also noticed another phenomena, the attitude of worse-looking girls often can be even worse of the better-looking girls' attitude.
for some reason i have found taking to prettier girls is easier than to ugly ones.
my guess is that in addition to already nasty attitude(which is a norm), the ugly girl realizes that she is actually uglier than others, so she is getting pissed off even more.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]DJ, I don't know that I get turned on necessarily by two women kissing. But it is kind of fascinating.
The funny part was that most men were on the edge of their seats. Women were horrified. I've dated a few bisexual women. I think they're probably even more focused on themselves sexually than heterosexual women are.[/QUOTE]
No harm, I was just wondering. I kinda though it was cool when I was younger, but now I can just do without it.
I've never dated any Bi-Women, I only knew one that expressed interest in being with a woman and I didn't have a problem with it.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Mike12 you're not the only one that's complaining about single life in NYC.
I do find Eastern European Woman talking all "ghetto" very interesting. I wonder if they know that intelligent, educated Black Men don't talk like that, at least not in the presence of people we don't know. Even then I don't use that much slang (ebonics) in private.
My boy's girlfriend who's Russian doesn't speak that way. Neither does this Ukrainian brunette I'm trying to "Holla" at.[/QUOTE]
The point I'm trying to make is that talking like that (ghetto, hip-hop) is now the norm. The way we might say what's up man, dude, or fellas is now replaced by the younger generations adaptation of the N word in every sentence, ghetto talk and dumbing down. Immigrant kids pick it up without realizing how disgraceful it sounds and looks. When you hear the same vernacular on 145 street and the Upper East Side, Jamaica Ave and malls in Westchester County thats saying something.
I walk down a Manhattan street every day right after high school lets out and see and hear all kinds of things going on with the charming student body. Various fights and robberies, girls instigating fights, roving kids in the street jumping out at cars, screaming high-school kids, and all this with cops on every street to shepard them along to the subway. Lovely experience for sure. With that being said, I still don't think it was as bad as the eighties. At least now these kids got lap-tops, Ipods, smartphones, and a reasonable awareness of the world around them through the internet and the media.
As far as the lesbian duos, I meant they are drawing attention to themselves, intentionally dick-teasing guys now for fun. Like a game.
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The best defence...
... is a good offence.
Probably also it is a defence mechanism - if she is not open to approaches, then she cannot be rejected.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]In USA I have also noticed another phenomena, the attitude of worse-looking girls often can be even worse of the better-looking girls' attitude.
For some reason I have found taking to prettier girls is easier than to ugly ones.
My guess is that in addition to already nasty attitude(which is a norm), the ugly girl realizes that she is actually uglier than others, so she is getting pissed off even more.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mike12]As far as the lesbian duos, I meant they are drawing attention to themselves, intentionally dick-teasing guys now for fun. Like a game.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean [i]actual[/i] lesbian duos, or girls who are obviously straight pretending to get it on with other girls? 'Coz if you're talking about actual lesbians (or bi-girls in same sex relationships)...I doubt they give much thought to the men around them when they're pashing the woman they love! Lesbians kiss other women because they're lesbians, not because they're cockteases...
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Do you mean [i]actual[/i] lesbian duos, or girls who are obviously straight pretending to get it on with other girls? 'Coz if you're talking about actual lesbians (or bi-girls in same sex relationships)...I doubt they give much thought to the men around them when they're pashing the woman they love! Lesbians kiss other women because they're lesbians, not because they're cockteases...[/QUOTE]
I think he means bi-curious/bi-sexual women. Why would real lesbians go to a heterosexual nightclub? News flash they don't, these are women that are bi-curious at best and I fully understand what he's talking about. I've seen women that want to attract attention, its a shame really.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I think he means bi-curious/bi-sexual women. Why would real lesbians go to a heterosexual nightclub? News flash they don't, these are women that are bi-curious at best and I fully understand what he's talking about. I've seen women that want to attract attention, its a shame really.[/QUOTE]
Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).
However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men! :)
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).
However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men! :)[/QUOTE]
You must live on a different planet Nursery :) I've seen women lock lips (and tongue) before on the dancefloor and all the guys stare, I just roll my eyes. I'm usually in the DJ booth I don't even see it and if I do I ignore it.
That's the only time I find myself in nightclubs these days. Its not for 40somethings, its not even for 30somethings even though they still go. I don't drink so I don't like the bar scene, I'm just kinda stuck. I rely heavily on the internet now.
I have never met any women (besides the one I mentioned) that was openly interested in bi-sexual activities, so the likelihood of that happening is SLIM and NONE.
For me its a loose, loose, - Example
I was making my rounds on the sites I'm on (dating sites) and out of nowhere I get a poke/wink that somebody wants to chat with me, okay... Its some 40ish Flight Attendant, who looks very bit 40. After about 15 mins she asked what my "Special Situation" and I said I live at home with my parents as I wanted to save money. Then she goes on this mini-rant about being an Independent Women and that she couldn't handle me being at home. Before that she said "I wanted alot to be a guy that lives at home". I've become very BLUNT in my description of what I want (no kids or if you do one small child, under 3 and under 35) I don't see how that's "demanding"....lol How could some woman on the wrong side of 40 say some shit like that like she was doing ME a favor by contacting me first to see what kinda "looser" I was?
This is what American Men have to put up with. I didn't ask for her opinion on my living situation, nor did I was I really interested in talking to her. If I was I would have contacted her first.
That's some serious bullshit!
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Ok... but as a bisexual woman myself, if I'm getting it on with a woman in a hetero nightclub, I sure as shit ain't doing it for men's pleasure! I'm doing it for mine! I just found it kind of weird to complain about girls getting passionate in front of men, as though they would ONLY do it to tease. Mostly, they're so carried away in the moment that they don't even realise there's a man in the room. I *have* seen women do that bizarre "I'm pretending to be a lesbian so you guys get a hard-on" crap, but you can generally spot them a mile away (they don't usually kiss or get really intimate. They just rub boobs and dance sexy, etc).
However...I should add that a lot of women who pull that trick are actually trying to promote themselves as 'sexually enlightened' and, perhaps, suggest that they're up for a 2-girl/1-guy threesome. How is that a bad thing? Surely that's a win-win situation for many men! :)[/QUOTE]
Maybe this is my long-term frustration speaking, but there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."
I have had two "happy hour" experiences in my life - one professional (at Blackbeard's in the DomRep) and one "semi-pro" (in Asuncion, Paraguay, with a woman I'd been with before and her friend that she was partying with before we hooked up that night). Neither one involved any girl-on-girl action, though I would have enjoyed the show if it had come about that way.
Two women getting sexy with each other? I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, any more than I would hope that a woman I find attractive is going to want anything to do with the likes of me. Unless it's P4$ with the gringo mark-up.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Maybe this is my long-term frustration speaking, but there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."
I have had two "happy hour" experiences in my life - one professional (at Blackbeard's in the DomRep) and one "semi-pro" (in Asuncion, Paraguay, with a woman I'd been with before and her friend that she was partying with before we hooked up that night). Neither one involved any girl-on-girl action, though I would have enjoyed the show if it had come about that way.
Two women getting sexy with each other? I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, any more than I would hope that a woman I find attractive is going to want anything to do with the likes of me. Unless it's P4$ with the gringo mark-up.[/QUOTE]
Westy that is not long term frustration, that's the new [i]normal[/i].
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[QUOTE=Westy]...there is another message I perceive when I see two women "getting passionate in front of men" - one of scorn for their audience: "We're hot and sexy, and you can't have any. We'd rather play with each other and leave you losers on the bench."[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn! ;)
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn! ;)[/QUOTE]
I live in NYC a mecca for this crap. They do it to make straight people feel uncomfortable and to rub their sexuality in your face. It's their way of getting back at the "folks".
I have respect for old school gays 70's/80's. They had way more balls then the guys nowdays. The younger gay guys act worse than high school "mean girls".
The straight man is the real underdog these days.
Another big deal in NYC are bull dykes that look like men and date lipstick lesbos. If you somewhat glance at their lipstick GF they want to pounce on you. Most are PR's or Black. Maybe it has to do with macho culture. I don't know.
These are people looking for trouble who feel the need to exacerbate the situation. It is nothing more than an act of desperation.
Again these are all signs of desperation and the need to prove something. If you are happy and you know it clap your hands...that's what I say.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn! ;)[/QUOTE]
These are bi-curious women, not actual bi-sexual women or gays even.
I don't know the reasons WHY they do it, they just do it. I have seen it, its not what I would call a regular thing, but also straight women bring known bi-sexual women into heterosexual nightclubs. Mix in a little alky and you never know what happens.
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Duh !
Rn,
Its no use in trying to convince these guys of nothing. You are dealing with the socially and relationship inept with this group.
For any rational thinking person to think that Only straight people kiss in public because of passion and gays Only do it to attract attention or to some how embarrass straight people shows how ignorant these guys are about people and relationships. In general
I believe most of these guys here are those guys who werent able to get women EVER. Oh they might of had that one or two girls who like them so much that the woman pratically made the move on them and of course these knuckleheads thought they were the ones who made the move. And then once the woman realized the socially inept guys they had. They dumped them. So any and everyone who is in love or displays affection of any kind has to be doing it with some other motive.
That is why most of these guys are locked solely into the p4p game or can only deal with women are so economically strapped that they accept any foreigner and since there is the obvious language barrier. No intellectual discussions will take place.
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I live in NYC a mecca for this crap. They do it to make straight people feel uncomfortable and to rub their sexuality in your face. It's their way of getting back at the "folks".[/QUOTE]NYC the mecca. What happened to San fran. I could have sworn. It was the MECCA of everything gay. And L. A. With west hollywood. Oh don't get me wrong there are alot in NYC. So don't you think maybe they just feel comfortable enough that they don't have to hide it like those so called. How did you put it "Old school gays". Maybe its YOU who has the issue. You are so hung up that you are put off because they have a relationship. That you don't have. Do straight couples kiss to embarrass people or gays don't have the same emotions. And how would you know.
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I'm not sure if I'm talking about the same thing as you and DJ. Are you guys honestly suggesting that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them? Seriously? I think you guys have been watching too much porn! ;)[/QUOTE]
RN, please forgive me if my post gave you the notion that I believe that gay and bisexual women only kiss other women in public to upset the men around them. Rationally, I know that a kissy-snuggly couple - hetero, gay, or bi - aren't engaging in such behavior for the sake of any spectators; they aren't likely to give a rat's patoot about who might be watching or what their audience might feel. It's my own emotional reaction that leaves me feeling "they're showing their contempt."
But - given the ever-increasing contempt aimed at men by Western women - can you definitively rule out that [u]some[/u] of these gay couples may be putting on a show like that, not just for their own pleasure, but also to (as Artisttyp said) "make straights uncomfortable and rub their sexuality in your face"?
I was and I am reporting on my own state of mind and emotions when I said that I don't even pretend to hope there would be any room for me in the mix, and that I feel like the show underlines the fact.
I already recognize that American women would appreciate nothing more from me than seeing me crawl back under my rock and disappear. I have grown used to that rock, even comfortable under it, but I do crawl out from time to time for some sunlight and fresh air....
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Wow, bisexual chicks should have their own thread...
Well, the girls I saw kissing each other so delicately on the train, and looking into each other's 17-year-old eyes, I'm sure they did it largely for attention. After all, it was rush hour, and people had no choice but to see.
Now, these two girls were very attractive. And since it's more socially acceptable or appealing for two women to smooch on the train than two guys, girls can feel more comfortable fucking around doing it.
That's not saying these girls were threatening anyone's sexuality. I'd say they were doing it for the same reason teenagers create their own whacky fashion, or curse loudly or say "Oh, my God!" or present themselves on prom night as the funniest, most clever human beings at IHOP, or grow their hair long as I did as a teenager and then complained of presumed persecution.
Kids love attention.
I don't mind them or grown women being gay, unless they trick me out of dinner and drinks before disclosure.
Of course, if I saw two dudes with mustaches tickling each others' tonsils, I'd be fucking grossed out.
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Westy and DJ: Oh, well that makes much more sense! I originally thought that's what you guys meant, but then I started to wonder...
I agree with what Artisttyp said and I've definitely seen that sort of behaviour before, but I think that's quite different to intentionally making men feel like losers, or that they're "missing out" on some prime lesbian booty.
I'm really sad that you feel that was about women, Westy - and, worse, that they've made you feel that way about yourself. FWIW, I think you sound lovely. :)
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[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Do you mean [i]actual[/i] lesbian duos, or girls who are obviously straight pretending to get it on with other girls? 'Coz if you're talking about actual lesbians (or bi-girls in same sex relationships)...I doubt they give much thought to the men around them when they're pashing the woman they love! Lesbians kiss other women because they're lesbians, not because they're cockteases...[/QUOTE]
I mean intentionally playing games with men out of scorn, disrespect, and A "hey look what I have and you can never get attitude". Some recent examples are when I was sitting at a light and two blondes pull up across from me and get my attention, then start kissing like they have some sort of enraptured audience. As soon as they turned I knew what they were gonna do and picked up my phone to look at that instead. I dont play those games. Whats next - should I jump through a hoop and bark?
Recently I was in a bodega getting a drink when some girl starts yelling help from the back. I looked at the drinks and checked out the commotion and it was a La Raza type with a hoodie, baggy jeans, and bandana over dreads pushing up on this really nice looking young high-school girl to the point of forced touching. When me and the store employee got close they started laughing and ran off and the gangster dude was really a female.
I really think alot of these girls have their heads messed up because of whats on TV now. They probably are not even gay, just acting out because MTV portrays it as cool. MTV has a new channel now that exclusively targets the young generation these days.
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TG that is not even constructive criticism. You don't know anything about the guys that post here other than making assumptions. I have gone after the women I have wanted, never played a "numbers" game. I am very selective.
More often than not I was rejected. I would say some of it was the color of my skin, other times it was how I looked and I don't mean how I dressed or carried myself. I mean facial I just didn't do it for them. I don't have over-sized, flat nose, nor big lips. I look fairly good IMHO but I wouldn't call myself universally attractive.
But as I have said before, every dog has its day and every so often I get 6-7's and occasionally 8's. I was hit up by a 40 year old Flight Attendant online just last night. She looked her age, but it wasn't bad, nor was it fantastic, she's about a 7.
She contacted me, not the other way around.
I have yet to talk to a woman I couldn't communicate with, so what your saying makes no sense. Even the FSU women I have talked too can speak some English.
The premise you make it ridiculous, talking about how some of us are socially inept. Especially when I've been a DJ since I was 16 (1986) and have managed to pull a few dates and get ass from it. That was not my concentration, not one bit. I was always focused on moving the crowd. Having not set foot inside a University, I've dated College Educated Women and there is no lack of conversation or subject matter. I would say even these women aren't terribly well verse in much else than what they went to school for.
I keep responding to you but you are not listening and you don't have any useful suggestions that make any sense. You basically say "your a poor slob, looser, you're limited to those [i]less than[/i], because you're less than so stop complaining and make lemonade."
I want to live in whatever reality you live in because whatever it is your smoking it some really good shit.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I wouldn't even bother but -
TG that is not even constructive criticism. You don't know anything about the guys that post here other than making assumptions. I have gone after the women I have wanted, never played a "numbers" game. I am very selective.
More often than not I was rejected. I would say some of it was the color of my skin, other times it was how I looked and I don't mean how I dressed or carried myself. I mean facial I just didn't do it for them. I don't have over-sized, flat nose, nor big lips. I look fairly good IMHO but I wouldn't call myself universally attractive.
But as I have said before, every dog has its day and every so often I get 6-7's and occasionally 8's. I was hit up by a 40 year old Flight Attendant online just last night. She looked her age, but it wasn't bad, nor was it fantastic, she's about a 7.
She contacted me, not the other way around.
I have yet to talk to a woman I couldn't communicate with, so what your saying makes no sense. Even the FSU women I have talked too can speak some English.
The premise you make it ridiculous, talking about how some of us are socially inept. Especially when I've been a DJ since I was 16 (1986) and have managed to pull a few dates and get ass from it. That was not my concentration, not one bit. I was always focused on moving the crowd. Having not set foot inside a University, I've dated College Educated Women and there is no lack of conversation or subject matter. I would say even these women aren't terribly well verse in much else than what they went to school for.
I keep responding to you but you are not listening and you don't have any useful suggestions that make any sense. You basically say "your a poor slob, looser, you're limited to those [i]less than[/i], because you're less than so stop complaining and make lemonade."
I want to live in whatever reality you live in because whatever it is your smoking it some really good shit.[/QUOTE]Dj
I Never called you a loser. Amd even being socially inept doesn't make one a loser as the recent movie shows that. The creator of face book was is a self professed socially inept person. Everyone is not going to be capable of all things. You speak of these women who contact you. But thats thru internet which is a major means of communication for the socially arkward people just as the face book guy created for himself. It allows you to post without really having to approach a person. And not having to face rejection in a public setting. Like in a bar, club, where people can see you getting turned down or not. I'm sure as a DJ you got women to talk to you. Maybe even scored with a few. Under those circumstances, had you been on your game. You should of had women on demand. Not occasionally. But anytime you wanted. I was a club rat and the DJs always had babes drooling to be with them. One of my good friends was a DJ back in the Day. That was his modis operadi. He was the Dj and got numbers all night long. He used to always say" yeah I saved her life last night" because of that one song. Last night a DJ saved my life.
I say just because you strike out. Don't quit the game. Babe ruth held the record for striking out. A couple of seasons. But it didn't stop him from still swinging for the Home run. Because in the end. Its the home runs that count not the strike outs. A lot of guys who complain focus too much on the strike outs. Well we all have ran into women with bad attitudes, rejection, whatever. But if you "keep on truckin" to quote the late Eddie Kendricks. You going to hit that home run and find that woman who is "all that and a bag of chips" and not just once but you got to keep swinging or you can't hit the home run. It like you guys quit the Majors and went to the little league where you have the advantage. So yeah. You can hit a home run easier. But it aint the same game. You're not playing on a level playing field. But to each his own.
I just say DJ. You can score. I know guys in your situation and they still get women. Its all about attitude. Keep swinging DJ.
TG
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And another thing...
One thing that can concern me about women is if they treat their pets better than fellow human beings.
I mean, I know people say dogs and cats love you unconditionally, but that's horse shit. As soon as you suffer cardiac arrest in your recliner, that cat is gonna feast on your face.
And once as I was getting ready to light a Newport in a girl's apartment, she said, "I'm sorry, I don't smoke in the apartment." Inside, I was like, yeah, but the place already smells like cat shit.
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An epiphany
A few weeks back, I was at a singles event. Cheap hotel room to avoid a potential DUI, why not. I usually only drink within walking distance of home.
I'm pretty high strung, so I have a hard time just mingling. So in a big setting like that, with lots of noise, I go for the whiskey. Had a couple of rock glasses of Jameson.
The bar doors were open, and after paying 18 bucks on booze, I went to my room and got a few cans of Heineken. Chunky black girl Mormon head case was moving out of range, and for a second I talked to a very weathered New Yawker from Long Island.
Fat, yep, heavy crow lines, but I was nice to her all the same, and then I moved along. Passed by again and saw some younger dude, better looking than me, was checking her out as a possibility. I offered him a Heineken, too, what the hell.
Then the Long Island broad came over and backed her ass up into my crotch. "What do you want to do?" she asked. How about we head to my room? And it was a done deal.
But it was less than mediocre. She was fat and bush hairy. My cock kept slipping out of her. I couldn't get puss traction. "I don't usually do this," she said.
Tried to flip her doggy style, and she looked alarmed. Soon I was drunk AND tired, so I just plopped on my back and said, "Hey, just jerk me off, all right? " She didn't know how to do it, she said.
Then she was like "You want me to leave, don't you?" I said, "Naw, no worries. You can stay if you like."
"What's my name?" she asked.
"You can stay if you like."
She didn't. I awoke to a dark room with sunlight creeping through the edges of the curtains. My wallet was just where I hid it.
I felt kind of dirty after this experience. Mainly, I thought how the only thing I really wanted that night was to come.
And I realized it had been a long time since I had a relationship in which I truly cared about pleasing the woman.
And then I thought before I go to a big public party like this again, I better go to an AMP at least within a week to make sure I'm not the guy who bangs the ugly fat girl.
And this one, cringe, tried jumping on my cock without a condom. Had to stop her. "Wait a second, girl, we gotta wrap that rascal!"
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oh god don't get me started
i travel all the time 35 countries. not just 4 p4p but culture i can speak spanish, i cannot find a chick to approach even to try in this sorry large urban city. and fat, stuck up, curt, snob, scenesters. i and ihave had mass aw gfriends it just changes when you get older 40. please repond to this mid life crisis of middile age straight man has no options for good pussy. and we americans are sooooo prude and age conscous, whats up with that every other country is cool 45 with a 25 gfriend no questions.
i agree from past posts too much work for little gain, my friend is killin match.com, i did well 4 years ago, but his chicks are fat and he does them? i will fuck my left hand for ever instead of a fat chick. i go to tj soon, then c.r. then s.e.asia. focus on myself get a hot 19-26 year old elsewhere, and yes i date regulars abroad tambien, a mi me gusta los dos lados de la moneda. regulares y prepagos jaajajaja
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]One thing that can concern me about women is if they treat their pets better than fellow human beings....[/QUOTE]
Too, too true. One of my colleagues had a list of the reasons why her dog came first (before boyfriends) in her life, culminating with "To you she's just a dog. To me, she's my furry daughter who doesn't talk back."
The "unconditional love" thing is the prize, of course. We guys get the blame because we do place conditions (like "no fat chicks"), we do talk back, and we want them to get naked and do the wild thing with us.
It's all a "terrible, horrible, unforgivable imposition," compared to the cat - just open a can of 9 Lives for Fluffy once a day and change out the kitty-litter when it gets too ripe for you, and he's content. Best of all, from the AW's perspective, is that when Fluffy snuggles up he doesn't start trying to undress her....
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[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi]i travel all the time 35 countries. not just 4 p4p but culture i can speak spanish, i cannot find a chick to approach even to try in this sorry large urban city. and fat, stuck up, curt, snob, scenesters. i and ihave had mass aw gfriends it just changes when you get older 40. please repond to this mid life crisis of middile age straight man has no options for good pussy. and we americans are sooooo prude and age conscous, whats up with that every other country is cool 45 with a 25 gfriend no questions.
i agree from past posts too much work for little gain, my friend is killin match.com, i did well 4 years ago, but his chicks are fat and he does them? i will fuck my left hand for ever instead of a fat chick. i go to tj soon, then c.r. then s.e.asia. focus on myself get a hot 19-26 year old elsewhere, and yes i date regulars abroad tambien, a mi me gusta los dos lados de la moneda. regulares y prepagos jaajajaja[/QUOTE]This I have to agree with this for the most part americans period are hung up on age. Both sexes.
But I think that is not a American thing. The countries where women have more opportunities as far as job, education. Then the less likely hood of a women in her 20s will date and older man. Of course there are always exceptions. You can even find them in the USA but its not the norm.
I have to admit even myself. Even though I want a younger women. When I see 40 to 50 yr guys with 20 something women. I think to myself. Damn you know she's taking him for his money. No real interest besides his wallet.
I can remember when I would see a old guy with a young girl I liked. I would always shoot her a line like. "when you get tired of seeing granddad, give me a call" or "when your granddad is sleeping. Give me a call".
So I understand the sentiment.
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Pets and kids....
Good thing for women, Fluffy doesn't hold a grudge over being castrated... I mean, neutered.
Similar to pets, I cringe when I see single mothers training treating their teenage daughters more as new best friends more than their actual children ---- and then preparing them unconsciously but undeniably to hate and manipulate men.
Also, though, sure, I've been to houses of ill repute, I cringe when I see parents dressing their 10-year-old daughters in miniskirts.
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Dogs = Little men on a leash.
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[quote=thatguy865]this i have to agree with this for the most part americans period are hung up on age. both sexes.
but i think that is not a american thing. the countries where women have more opportunities as far as job, education. then the less likely hood of a women in her 20s will date and older man. of course there are always exceptions. you can even find them in the usa but its not the norm.
i have to admit even myself. even though i want a younger women. when i see 40 to 50 yr guys with 20 something women. i think to myself. damn you know she's taking him for his money. no real interest besides his wallet.
i can remember when i would see a old guy with a young girl i liked. i would always shoot her a line like. "when you get tired of seeing granddad, give me a call" or "when your granddad is sleeping. give me a call".
so i understand the sentiment.[/quote]
i'm broke as hell and 37 and i routinely date girls half my age, including ones with good jobs or ones with family money who do not need whatever little money i scrape together :p but part of the difference here in colombia is the median age is a mere 27 years, there was a huge baby boom between 1987 and 1993 here, so that skews things a bit. i really don't care about age. i'll date a 16 year old or a 60 year old, it makes no difference to me, there are a lot of extremely well preserved women here 40+ or even 50+... no problem... it's just that they're not as out there and widely available. also the younger crowd here tends to share my libertine views more ;)
one thing i will say... the world over, women talk a huge game about unconditional love and romance and a bunch of other things that are pure fucking bullshit.... chris rock said it best, no woman will tolerate a drop in lifestyle, there is no more sure relationship killer. and ultimately, there are three things that will land a woman on this planet, talking a good game (usually bullshitting her), being physically attractive (different women look for different thinkgs), and having $$$$.
if you are at the top of the game in any one of these areas you will do well with women. however, if you only talk a good game and are not outstanding in the looks or cash departments your conquests will be slower and less sure. money will attract the vast majority of women but don't expect anything resembling loyalty or fidelity from them. also, this technique requires you to keep a very high profile and this attracts a lot of people who want to separate you from your money through various means...
being extremely good-looking seems to be the most important factor to me. money is a limited resource, it will only take you so far, and making money takes time. your good looks once obtained don't really require that much maintenance, and they work right away. the only problem is that physically you will have a more limited appeal... money is more universal. but, with a strong physical attraction, you can meet a girl and that same night fuck her in the bar's bathroom. :p part of it is knowing your target demographic... you can't very easily score a biker chick if you go out looking all metrosexual :p
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As an example, how many times in my life have I heard a woman say "I have no idea why I fell for that man, we don't have much in common, he's not my type physically etc. HE MUST HAVE PUT A SPELL ON ME OR SOMETHING..." pure fucking horseshit... that man in question somehow is NEVER exactly in the poor house ;)
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Dj
I Never called you a loser. Amd even being socially inept doesn't make one a loser as the recent movie shows that. The creator of face book was is a self professed socially inept person. Everyone is not going to be capable of all things. You speak of these women who contact you. But thats thru internet which is a major means of communication for the socially arkward people just as the face book guy created for himself. It allows you to post without really having to approach a person. And not having to face rejection in a public setting. Like in a bar, club, where people can see you getting turned down or not. I'm sure as a DJ you got women to talk to you. Maybe even scored with a few. Under those circumstances, had you been on your game. You should of had women on demand. Not occasionally. But anytime you wanted. I was a club rat and the DJs always had babes drooling to be with them. One of my good friends was a DJ back in the Day. That was his modis operadi. He was the Dj and got numbers all night long. He used to always say" yeah I saved her life last night" because of that one song. Last night a DJ saved my life.
I say just because you strike out. Don't quit the game. Babe ruth held the record for striking out. A couple of seasons. But it didn't stop him from still swinging for the Home run. Because in the end. Its the home runs that count not the strike outs. A lot of guys who complain focus too much on the strike outs. Well we all have ran into women with bad attitudes, rejection, whatever. But if you "keep on truckin" to quote the late Eddie Kendricks. You going to hit that home run and find that woman who is "all that and a bag of chips" and not just once but you got to keep swinging or you can't hit the home run. It like you guys quit the Majors and went to the little league where you have the advantage. So yeah. You can hit a home run easier. But it aint the same game. You're not playing on a level playing field. But to each his own.
I just say DJ. You can score. I know guys in your situation and they still get women. Its all about attitude. Keep swinging DJ.
TG[/QUOTE]
It was anytime I wanted actually, I just didn't bother most of the time. As I said I'm quite selective.
But the situation has gone from bad to worst. I automatically assume that women are tight with their age limits so why bother? I desire to have children, but not with some 35 yr old woman with biological clock ticking so loud I can hear it over the boom of the bass.
Also even in nightclubs its the overabundance of Single Mothers and Obese women. If not that, its women that work soft white collar or pink collar jobs that scream they are independent which to them makes my living arrangement unacceptable.
So I don't even bother locally.
Also I don't like my chances for success its more like a crap shoot in America, if previous track record is any indication. Its likely a compromise I am not willing to live with.
Its not about swinging, I've never played the numbers game (at bats) to increase my chances (average). Now I just see no point in doing so. However, I will do it. Why? because its the lowest cost option, unless I find a woman from country on the Visa Wavier Program, some of which have Slavic women in them (Poland for example).
I'm just in a holding pattern because of economics.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]Good thing for women, Fluffy doesn't hold a grudge over being castrated... I mean, neutered.
Similar to pets, I cringe when I see single mothers training treating their teenage daughters more as new best friends more than their actual children ---- and then preparing them unconsciously but undeniably to hate and manipulate men.
Also, though, sure, I've been to houses of ill repute, I cringe when I see parents dressing their 10-year-old daughters in miniskirts.[/QUOTE]
You mean like that Tide Ad where the daughter ask mom where's her favorite blouse and mom thinks "oh shit, I was at the club with my other single mother friends and got some food on it!" While daughter is looking all over the house, mom sheepishly sneaks to the clothes hamper and proceeds to wash said blouse in Tide. Then it magically appears in daughters closet...
There is this trend of some women never growing up basically or wanting to be BGF's with their daughters. Occasionally a Single father and his son will go on adventures and that's generally accepted I suppose including both going to Russia to find brides and succeeding.
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Where My Dawgs At ?
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2010/10/04/2010-10-04_sex.html[/url]
I expect a full frontal assault on this one fellows.
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Anyone want to bet this Judge was being blackmailed and refused to pay up. I can almost guarantee the stripper placed the firearms, drugs etc in his car. What a dumb ass!!
[QUOTE]A federal judge faces drug and firearms charges after an exotic dancer at an Atlanta strip club told authorities the judge used cocaine, marijuana and other illegal drugs with her.
Attorneys for Senior U.S. District Judge Jack T. Camp said after a hearing Monday that the 67-year-old intends to plead not guilty. He was released on a $50,000 unsecured bond.
Authorities say in an affidavit Camp paid a dancer at Goldrush Showbar to have sex with her in early 2010. The informant also told authorities the two used drugs together on several occasions.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/04/national/main6927281[/url]
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp][url]http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2010/10/04/2010-10-04_sex.html[/url]
I expect a full frontal assault on this one fellows.[/QUOTE]
Is there anything really shocking here? Besides the small sample (just about 6,000 people), women have been faking it and its both parties fault, its called lack of communication. Experimentation is always going to be higher than people admit because certain things always put people's sexuality into question if they admit to enjoying it. Anal has just become more acceptable because it appears more in porn, simple as that.
Keep it movin....
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Is there anything really shocking here? Besides the small sample (just about 6,000 people), women have been faking it and its both parties fault, its called lack of communication. Experimentation is always going to be higher than people admit because certain things always put people's sexuality into question if they admit to enjoying it. Anal has just become more acceptable because it appears more in porn, simple as that.
Keep it movin....[/QUOTE]
I would like to know how many guys have tried sucking their own dick and succeeded? That would be more revealing.
Obviously that would only relate to the western world.
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Are "pick up artists" in other (not America) countries?
I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys!
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
I doubt it, for causal adventures it doesn't seem to be needed in Western Europe, the only other culture I'm familiar with.
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]I think this movement is only in your head.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I doubt it, for causal adventures it doesn't seem to be needed in Western Europe, the only other culture I'm familiar with.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like classic machismo, South American style.
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
About 5 or so years ago when this first started me and a buddy of mine read through it and tried a lot of it.
It's not in other countries because it's not needed. Only in America where the mentality is backwards you would use this to get chicks.
Then I started traveling and saw how real women are...
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]I think it is mostly in America-like countries. Also it is a business to make money from people's(men's) problems.
In other countries this bullshit is not needed. If you are normal guy you do not need to learn tricks to seduce a good woman in a normal way. Only in USA etc.. most guys have to jump over their heads to get some attention from an ugly broad.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Sounds like classic machismo, South American style.[/QUOTE]
No I don't think so, in Sweden for example, you basically just need to chat-up a girl. Dating American style doesn't quite apply and if all you wanted as a one-night stand, there's isn't as much aversion to it as in the US.
In Germany its pretty much US style without the typical attitude we've come accustom too in America.
That's why I've constantly said, I have much better selection in Western Europe than I have had at home and has nothing to do with my economic status, the women are just thinner and better looking. Also they don't have the same problems with teen pregnancy as we do (and the UK does) so the chances of you finding early to mid 30's women never married, without children is much higher and as I said they don't have elitist attitudes that often accompany women in the US.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]About 5 or so years ago when this first started me and a buddy of mine read through it and tried a lot of it.
It's not in other countries because it's not needed. Only in America where the mentality is backwards you would use this to get chicks.
Then I started traveling and saw how real women are...[/QUOTE]
Yep, I went right up to one of the best looking woman I've ever seen in Norway and she didn't bite my head off. I was a complete stranger and she didn't mind tell me at all what was going on in town. I already knew I just wanted to strike up a conversion.
I wasn't in any country long enough to settle-in and really take advantage that I was not in America anymore. I spent most of my time in Germany but I didn't have a handle on the nightlife yet. I have a better handle on it now, but I rather give up on casual pursuits and just focus on women that share the same end result I want.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I think this movement is only in your head.[/QUOTE]
It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America...
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[QUOTE=Jon32]It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America...[/QUOTE]What's remarkable, all this "pick up" movements make everything even worse, since it teaches men try harder to get women, men need to look better, to talk better, to be smartasses, to spend more money, to pretend to be "cool", "funny", etcc.. So women are getting worse, since now it's not them, now it is men who need to amuse the women. Too bad for the guys. Here in central Asia it is the women who need to amuse me. In addition to photomodel looks need to look for more qualities, and still hard to select one from the crowd. Many somewhat successful guys end up having several wives. In USA it is quite opposite. They would be "losers" as well as myself.
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Excuse me, DJ, my mistake - I meant to quote LG's "Pick-up artist movement" post, which you'd cited in the post I did quote.
I'm no 'James Bond' and I'm certainly no 'Ice Rapper' to be trying to pull the smart-azz routine for impressing any young woman. It suits my feelings much better to be polite and friendly - but then, I'm also convinced that I don't have anything about me to impress, entice, or elicit a favorable response from any woman in the USA who isn't already using blue rinse to pretty up her white hair.
The best I can be is a sugar-daddy ... okay. But my pension won't stretch far enough to sugar-daddy any USA woman I'd like to have as my sugar-baby. Oh well, in that respect it sucks to be me....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]No I don't think so, in Sweden for example, you basically just need to chat-up a girl. Dating American style doesn't quite apply and if all you wanted as a one-night stand, there's isn't as much aversion to it as in the US.
In Germany its pretty much US style without the typical attitude we've come accustom too in America.
That's why I've constantly said, I have much better selection in Western Europe than I have had at home and has nothing to do with my economic status, the women are just thinner and better looking. Also they don't have the same problems with teen pregnancy as we do (and the UK does) so the chances of you finding early to mid 30's women never married, without children is much higher and as I said they don't have elitist attitudes that often accompany women in the US.[/QUOTE]
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Cleavage?
Now don't get me wrong, I like me some titty, especially the dark nippled variety. And the women in my office know men like titty, because that's the one asset they always advertise with low cut blouses.
But with these women, who are an easy 20 pounds overweight each, I just have a hard time using the word "cleavage."
For them, the phrase "boob crack" will henceforth be used. My boss, who's actually got boobs, often will display a good four or five inches of boob crack.
I am just a man, so I avert my eyes sometimes or I'll be staring right at the boob crack. Despite the fact she wears more makeup than Marcel Marceau, despite the fact that she's an overbearing c#nt, my eyes can be drawn to the mysterious depths of the boob crack.
The other broad has no boobs at all. Tragic. But she still proudly displays her chest and the edges of her bra.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America.[/QUOTE]quite BIG by who's standard. What you mean is. A lot of guys read that crap. Well yeah. Does it work. Bullshit. You can't learn to pick up women thru no book, video. There are no scienticfic rules with women. They are emotional and illogical. Women sleep with guys for all kind/types of silly reasons. Cause she feels sorry for him. Or he has money. Or his eyes look good. Or he dresses good. There are no sure fired methods.
Now if you mean those guys sell a lot of books. Well there are alot of guys with no game. Sure. But if you are afraid of rejection. You will still get rejected so the book isn't going to change that. Thats like saying theres a real estate mogul movement going. Because all those guys on those commercials selling "Make a million using my real estate buying techniques" they sell alot of books also and are frequently on best seller list. But we are in a real estate bust right now.
If you are a shy guy. No book is going to turn your personality around instantly. They can't give you pat lines that work in every situation. All that is happening is Guys are making MONEY off of guys who have no game and seek to some. Its just the scam for the ages. The old tonic water of the millineum. And by the sound of it. You donated some funds to help make one of these guys rich too.
For every "Pick up book/technique" told to you. Women have 100 magazines articles, books tell them to do the complete opposite. Have you heard of that book '"the rules" a best seller. It tells women. Not to even kiss on the 1st date let alone fuck. You don't get the pussy until you commit. For life. Look at bristol palin. Getting paid. Traveling around the country. To tell young women to abstain until they're married. And this after she already has had a baby out of wed lock. I'm not arguing. Guys don't check it out. But a movement. Thats another thing completely. Women are a tough nut to crack and there are no sure fired ways. Just guys have confidence and get women and some don't. And those guys with it have tapped into the fact that those that don't will pay to try to get it. Thats all.
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I think plenty of men scratch their heads going to the grave trying to figure out women.
I'd say for sure that women generally seek men with some means to provide a comfortable level of living. And I'd say that some also hold men to a high level of etiquette and ass kissing for you to get into their pants.
But I also truly believe that some simply need a dude with somewhat compatible interests and life experiences. I generally can hit it off well with alcoholic women, but that's a road to trouble.
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
LG Electronics, Great question!
"Pick up artist" movement practically not exists in Russia.
Although I heard, that small group of Russian in Moscow practice this.
Pick up in Russia happend naturaly. You just need to be in right mood and not afraid to start talking to woman.
If she interesting, the connection happend automatically.
I have to admit that pick up technique developed by Americans guys are very powerful
I tried it and even in Russia it works very well, accelerating the whole process.
It is interesting, I watched some guys in Russia, how they pick up girls.
Some of them use almost the same tactics as pick up artists, but do it intuitively.
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No means YES ?
There is an art to flirting. Some men are good at it and some aren't. For most guys the art of flirting gets easier when barriers are down and people are just being people. Unfortunately this doesn't happen in popular places where people go to hook up. IMHO those guys would do better being introduced to a girl through a friend of through other hobbies and interests.
For those that like to perform there will always be woman willing to watch you entertain them.
I never understood the "treat a girl like shit" routine to get laid. I guess I could see where a woman could get off on it but I totally don't understand it from a guy's point of view. Maybe I am over thinking it.
I guess these are all mysteries of the female gender. When I like somebody I let them know it. That' all I do.
I sound like andy rooney from 60 minutes!
Andy
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[QUOTE=Lenin]LG Electronics, Great question!
"Pick up artist" movement practically not exists in Russia.
Although I heard, that small group of Russian in Moscow practice this.
Pick up in Russia happend naturaly. You just need to be in right mood and not afraid to start talking to woman.
If she interesting, the connection happend automatically.
I have to admit that pick up technique developed by Americans guys are very powerful
I tried it and even in Russia it works very well, accelerating the whole process.
It is interesting, I watched some guys in Russia, how they pick up girls.
Some of them use almost the same tactics as pick up artists, but do it intuitively.[/QUOTE]In Russia and similar(FSU), one does not need those smartass tactics too much. Often even a shy guy can get incredible hot and nice woman.
Also sometime the reputation of being a "playboy" will make it even worse. Good women will avoid such guys.
Or another problem, if you are too good in this, you will have hard time managing all the girls and getting rid off them. I have already had this problem in FSU, even during last month, had to dump one crazy horny girl, also now another girl(who was dumped months ago) is trying to get back to me. Yesterday went to a friend's wedding and ended up partially fucking bride's best girlfriend after wedding in their hotel room. She is a horny 21 year old virgin, much younger than me, today she was messaging me asking how come I forget about her too quickly. In USA I would have almost no game. In USA it takes months trying hard to find something for me. Here it happens all the time.
BTW I'm not talking about average girls. By American standards they all would be 7-9, for some people 10. I do not even look at average girl here.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]What's remarkable, all this "pick up" movements make everything even worse, since it teaches men try harder to get women, men need to look better, to talk better, to be smartasses, to spend more money, to pretend to be "cool", "funny", etcc.. .[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but probably you have not seen the proper Pick Up artists's articles or videos.
They promote the exactly opposite that you think.
They don't teach to be a better guy.
They teach to be more dominant and demanding with women.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]Sorry, but probably you have not seen the proper Pick Up artists's articles or videos.
They promote the exactly opposite that you think.
They don't teach to be a better guy.
They teach to be more dominant and demanding with women.[/QUOTE]ok, I guess I was not accurate. I have seen those articles/videos. That is true, initially they say that you have to be dominant etc. The problem is that in feminist society this is not welcomed. There are even groups of guys who do it together. I have seen those guys in NYC, they spend years and lots of money and time trying it, learning, etcc. They are taught how to talk to girls, how to be interesting etc. In reality they do try hard with not much result for many of them. I was subscribed for their newsletter for while, after a while reading their emails, I had come to a conclusion it is still lots bullshit and wasting of time. In the best case one would probably get a somewhat better than average girl after lots of time and money spent.
The problem is that there are not enough "good" women in USA, no matter how hard they try, most people will not get shit. In other places I see some really messed up guys by American standards with no game(or opposite to pickup artists game) get fine girls all the time.
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp] I guess these are all mysteries of the female gender. When I like somebody I let them know it. That' all I do.
Andy[/QUOTE]
It is only half of equation. The more important she should smell she is not only one. Then her jealocy makes the rest of the work. Nothing mysterious.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]It is only half of equation. The more important she should smell she is not only one. Then her jealocy makes the rest of the work. Nothing mysterious.[/QUOTE]
Again here we go catering to women's odd tastes. *Pretend she isn't the only one and it's no big deal if you don't get laid. That's way too psychotic for me.
All the power to you if it works but that type of flirting doesn't makes sense to me. Maybe in a hooker bar it would but not in real life.
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Again here we go catering to women's odd tastes. *Pretend she isn't the only one and it's no big deal if you don't get laid. That's way too psychotic for me.[/QUOTE]
I did not say "pretend". You don't need pretend at all.
Just fuck the woman "A" and women "B" smells it even if you try hide it.
It is the change in your mood, yours satisfaction with your life (after good sex),
few silly commmetns that you tell her, things like this make women "B" smells
that you on the market right now and this makes her jealous.
Right flirt message: By the way, I like you, but I also can enjoy life without you.
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have you guys ever considered that maybe one of many different reasons for aw being a bit harder to approach also stems from the media in america which instills fear in women. america is a much more violent place than anywhere in europe or asia. do you know any european country which has as many publicized women victimizers, of all races and walks of life. we have the famous women killers o. j.. robert blake (baretta). we have the serial [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. ted budy. richard ramirez. the socialite. the central park preppie murder. and these are just the most infamous. let alone all the local known [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] each major city infamously has publicized.
you don't see, or hear 1/10th of these types of reports outside of america. do they have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and murders in other countries. of course the do. but due to our afluence. we have more people with more tv and with more channels and our news focuses on these violent crimes.
aw are constantly bombarded with messages telling them not to trust men you do not know.
while foreign women don't have this message bombarding them constantly. there fore they are more at ease with a strange man approaching them and striking up a conversation.
i mean this is not the only reason. but it definitely plays into it.
as for "pick up" books/videos thats just guys who have realized there is a market of insecure guys who will buy this material. so you now see more of it. its sort of like the "i'll make you a millionare thru real estate" books/videos.
they sell because of statistics. you use any approach enough time and eventually you are going to score. so the guy who reads the "pick up" info. thinks its because. oh i used their technique and it worked. no. before you wouldn't try. and now you are. so yeah you scored. it wasnt a technique it was purely numbers.
their are no sure fired ways. being a bad boy for this one may not work. but eventually you'll find one who likes the bad boy routine. same as if you just went and said "hello, my name is " and stuck up a conversation. it might not work for one. but will with another.
those are purely money making scemes. just like the books and magazines for women. "how to keep your man" not one say "when he get off work. fuck them. suck his dick, have a meal and a beer ready" but i bet most men would stay much longer than anything those mag's/books say.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]I did not say "pretend". You don't need pretend at all.
Just fuck the woman "A" and women "B" smells it even if you try hide it.
It is the change in your mood, yours satisfaction with your life (after good sex),
few silly commmetns that you tell her, things like this make women "B" smells
that you on the market right now and this makes her jealous.
Right flirt message: By the way, I like you, but I also can enjoy life without you.[/QUOTE]
I will agree you give off a different vibe or even scent when you've just had sex with another woman. Women will wonder if there's something about you, not so much that you might be a hoe, but that you were interesting enough for another woman to give you some.
Depending on where you are and what you want from life, I would agree you don't need tricks you just need to be honest and straight-forward. The key(s) I believe are do you want to just get laid/girlfriends or do you want a wife?
If you want the former then you can spend the money to make yourself look good, smell nice, appear interesting and in-control. As long as you don't say "I sit around all day playing Xbox" then most women will find whatever it is you do interesting (unless you work at Target/Wal-Mart/ToysRus).
If you want the latter, I say go overseas and don't even bother looking here.
Above all be yourself and tell the TRUTH!
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ThatGuy is a Guy?
Once in awhile, you say something that makes me think you're not a woman.
"Those are purely money making scemes. Just like the books and magazines for women. "how to keep your man" not one say "when he get off work. Fuck them. Suck his dick, have a meal and a beer ready" but I bet most men would stay much longer than anything those mag's/books say."
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[quote=thatguy865]have you guys ever considered that maybe one of many different reasons for aw being a bit harder to approach also stems from the media in america which instills fear in women. america is a much more violent place than anywhere in europe or asia. do you know any european country which has as many publicized women victimizers, of all races and walks of life. we have the famous women killers o. j.. robert blake (baretta). we have the serial [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. ted budy. richard ramirez. the socialite. the central park preppie murder. and these are just the most infamous. let alone all the local known [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] each major city infamously has publicized.
you don't see, or hear 1/10th of these types of reports outside of america. do they have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and murders in other countries. of course the do. but due to our afluence. we have more people with more tv and with more channels and our news focuses on these violent crimes.
aw are constantly bombarded with messages telling them not to trust men you do not know.
while foreign women don't have this message bombarding them constantly. there fore they are more at ease with a strange man approaching them and striking up a conversation.
i mean this is not the only reason. but it definitely plays into it.
as for "pick up" books/videos thats just guys who have realized there is a market of insecure guys who will buy this material. so you now see more of it. its sort of like the "i'll make you a millionare thru real estate" books/videos.
they sell because of statistics. you use any approach enough time and eventually you are going to score. so the guy who reads the "pick up" info. thinks its because. oh i used their technique and it worked. no. before you wouldn't try. and now you are. so yeah you scored. it wasnt a technique it was purely numbers.
their are no sure fired ways. being a bad boy for this one may not work. but eventually you'll find one who likes the bad boy routine. same as if you just went and said "hello, my name is " and stuck up a conversation. it might not work for one. but will with another.
those are purely money making scemes. just like the books and magazines for women. "how to keep your man" not one say "when he get off work. fuck them. suck his dick, have a meal and a beer ready" but i bet most men would stay much longer than anything those mag's/books say.[/quote]
because "cowboy capitalism" is flawed and yammering on about "free markets" is complete utter bs. by ensuring we have a permanent underclass, we don't have it any better than many 3rd world/developing nations. we have squaller as well, its just not seen by many people.
a social-democracy paired with a educated populace results in less wackos in government, far more moderation in governance and far more engaged population, politically. when sweden had a banking crisis much like we have, there wasn't much "free market" screaming i'm sure and they did wrote down the debt, kicked out the management, cleaned up the books and put it back on the market for sale. that's what the fdic should do with banks like citi group... it was okay to tell the uaw to fuck off and have pre-packaged bankruptcy for gm and chrysler, but not the for the banks?
when morons scream we don't have socialism, what the hell do you call rich people screwing the middle and working poor out of their wages and then running to the government for a bail out? the biggest transfer of wealth the world has ever seen (over a trillion dollars).
we don't take mental health seriously, we treat criminals no better than caged animals. american's love their animals so much but have no idea about the cat and puppy factories. they don't even think to look in a shelter where morons buy animals and then mistreat them because we don't have any sort of solidarity/unity or sense of community.
there are fundamental problems with the united states of america, its a banana republic with crumbling infrastructure and the rich believe they have protected themselves with private security forces and gated communities.
if these morons crash the economy again (which is likely) when the fraud inside all the foreclosures is fully uncovered and one or two of the biggest banks go down, they'll be looking to get bailed out once again and the public won't tolerate it, get ready....
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Because "Cowboy Capitalism" is flawed and yammering on about "Free Markets" is complete utter BS. By ensuring we have a permanent underclass, we don't have it any better than many 3rd World/Developing Nations. We have squaller as well, its just not seen by many people.
A Social-Democracy paired with a educated populace results in less wackos in Government, far more moderation in Governance and far more engaged population, politically. When Sweden had a banking crisis much like we have, there wasn't much "Free Market" screaming I'm sure and they did wrote down the debt, kicked out the management, cleaned up the books and put it back on the market for sale. That's what the FDIC should do with banks like Citi Group... It was okay to tell the UAW to fuck off and have pre-packaged Bankruptcy for GM and Chrysler, but not the for the banks?
When morons scream we don't have Socialism, what the hell do you call Rich People screwing the Middle and Working poor out of their wages and then running to the Government for a Bail Out? The biggest transfer of wealth the world has ever seen (over a trillion dollars).
We don't take mental health seriously, we treat criminals no better than caged animals. American's love their animals so much but have no idea about the cat and puppy factories. They don't even think to look in a shelter where morons buy animals and then mistreat them because we don't have any sort of solidarity/unity or sense of community.
There are fundamental problems with the United States of America, its a Banana Republic with crumbling infrastructure and the Rich believe they have protected themselves with private security forces and gated communities.
If these morons crash the economy again (which is likely) when the FRAUD inside all the foreclosures is fully uncovered and one or two of the biggest banks go down, they'll be looking to get bailed out once again and the public won't tolerate it, get ready....[/QUOTE]No wonder you haven't graduated. Your comprehension is terrible. I spoke of violence on women. I don't know what the hell your rant has to do with that.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865] Just like the books and magazines for women. "how to keep your man" not one say "when he get off work. Fuck them. Suck his dick, have a meal and a beer ready" but I bet most men would stay much longer than anything those mag's/books say.[/QUOTE]
Not true. Cosmo is always telling women how to be hotter, how to seduce a man, recommending spicing things up in the bedroom, favourite sex positions, etc. They set up the woman if not as a predator, at least as a seductress. The advice is not as succinct as yours, but basically in the same vein. As opposed to "The Rules" which are a good way for a woman to marry a wussy, or probably grow old as a "good girl" spinster.
I have read a bit of the pick up artist stuff and some of it sounds helpful, but much of it is pretty mechanical and systems oriented and sounds dubious. I think the main take away, which is the same advice we hear here all the time, is "be a man, be confident, and don't be a supplicant."
This also ties in to what Lenin was saying. If you already getting sex, it is easier to get more of it. Because you are confident and can take it or leave it with a particular girl. You will also tend to be more demanding when in a relationship (no matter how short term) - "hey girl, if I'm not getting what I want from you, I will find it elsewhere." It encourages you to push the envelope a bit and probably create a better experience for both of you. Most women don't want to lead things in the bedroom, but many men are too afraid to be demanding.
A master monger on the Russian board always recommends starting a trip out with some P4P, so you will already be on the scoreboard and confident when you start hunting freebies. Of course it is not the same things at all, but it allows you to take the position (and realize for yourself) that you WANT to have a relationship (or one night stand) with HER, but do not NEED her for sex - you can buy that on any street corner for half the cost and hassle. They know that they are a fungible commodity.
One big problem with the pick up artist methods is they seem to rely on being in a target rich, welcoming environment, like a night club. Problem is, guys over a certain age cannot really operate in that environment in America - we are just too out of place. And the girls would not even recognize you as a potential flirter if there is more than a 10 year age gap, they would just think you are creepy. Whereas you can cruise bars and initiatiate conversations with 20-something girls in other cultures.
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hahaha
too funny, i also hate back fat a aw phenomonon
[QUOTE=Vaquero]Now don't get me wrong, I like me some titty, especially the dark nippled variety. And the women in my office know men like titty, because that's the one asset they always advertise with low cut blouses.
But with these women, who are an easy 20 pounds overweight each, I just have a hard time using the word "cleavage."
For them, the phrase "boob crack" will henceforth be used. My boss, who's actually got boobs, often will display a good four or five inches of boob crack.
I am just a man, so I avert my eyes sometimes or I'll be staring right at the boob crack. Despite the fact she wears more makeup than Marcel Marceau, despite the fact that she's an overbearing c#nt, my eyes can be drawn to the mysterious depths of the boob crack.
The other broad has no boobs at all. Tragic. But she still proudly displays her chest and the edges of her bra.[/QUOTE]
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Works for me, every time I go back to the putas interest peaks from regular girls.....
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Not true. Cosmo is always telling women how to be hotter, how to seduce a man, recommending spicing things up in the bedroom, favourite sex positions, etc. They set up the woman if not as a predator, at least as a seductress. The advice is not as succinct as yours, but basically in the same vein. As opposed to "The Rules" which are a good way for a woman to marry a wussy, or probably grow old as a "good girl" spinster.
I have read a bit of the pick up artist stuff and some of it sounds helpful, but much of it is pretty mechanical and systems oriented and sounds dubious. I think the main take away, which is the same advice we hear here all the time, is "be a man, be confident, and don't be a supplicant."
This also ties in to what Lenin was saying. If you already getting sex, it is easier to get more of it. Because you are confident and can take it or leave it with a particular girl. You will also tend to be more demanding when in a relationship (no matter how short term) - "hey girl, if I'm not getting what I want from you, I will find it elsewhere." It encourages you to push the envelope a bit and probably create a better experience for both of you. Most women don't want to lead things in the bedroom, but many men are too afraid to be demanding.
A master monger on the Russian board always recommends starting a trip out with some P4P, so you will already be on the scoreboard and confident when you start hunting freebies. Of course it is not the same things at all, but it allows you to take the position (and realize for yourself) that you WANT to have a relationship (or one night stand) with HER, but do not NEED her for sex - you can buy that on any street corner for half the cost and hassle. They know that they are a fungible commodity.
One big problem with the pick up artist methods is they seem to rely on being in a target rich, welcoming environment, like a night club. Problem is, guys over a certain age cannot really operate in that environment in America - we are just too out of place. And the girls would not even recognize you as a potential flirter if there is more than a 10 year age gap, they would just think you are creepy. Whereas you can cruise bars and initiatiate conversations with 20-something girls in other cultures.[/QUOTE]
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Gotta love those Germans! What are the chances, you'll see an ad like this play on American TV? Nada, zip, no way!
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On another point, most Americans would throw a hissy fit seeing a mother breast feeding in public.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]No wonder you haven't graduated. Your comprehension is terrible. I spoke of violence on women. I don't know what the hell your rant has to do with that.[/QUOTE]
You know FUCK you, I went on a rant, simple and I connected our flawed WAY OF LIFE to American Women acting stupid.
It has nothing to do with my education Flat Head. I've had it with you, banned again.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Gotta love those Germans! What are the chances, you'll see an ad like this play on American TV? Nada, zip, no way!
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On another point, most Americans would throw a hissy fit seeing a mother breast feeding in public.[/QUOTE]
America is what it is, largely not sure if it can be corrected. The moral MINORITY has a bit too much power.
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aw sickos:
[url]http://www.sacbee.com/2010/10/15/3107290/autopsy-calif-toddler-twins-died.html[/url]
a mother killed her two 3 year old twin girls, this only gets a small peep on the news.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Gotta love those Germans! What are the chances, you'll see an ad like this play on American TV? Nada, zip, no way!
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On another point, most Americans would throw a hissy fit seeing a mother breast feeding in public.[/QUOTE]If they had an ad like that in the US, people would be in outrage, many would find it to be racist. I was surprised that some people in America got into uproar about an Australian KFC commercial.
Try this one:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa-jJAkx9MI&feature=related[/url]
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The Placebo Effect
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]As for "pick up" books/videos thats just guys who have realized there is a market of insecure guys who will buy this material... You use any approach enough time and eventually you are going to score. So the guy who reads the "pick up" info. Thinks its because. Oh I used their technique and it worked. No. Before you wouldn't try. And now you are. So yeah you scored. It wasnt a technique it was purely numbers.[/QUOTE]
Is it permissible to agree with That Guy on something in this group?
OK, I am only half agreeing with him - yes, getting into the game is the most important factor in scoring.
But the other thing the "technique" gives guys is confidence, which is the second most important factor to success.
Like any placebo, if you really THINK its going to work, it probably will help.
Any actually useful tips or techniques you might learn are just gravy!
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It is a numbers game but I've seen guys have an 80% rate or higher.... it has to do with being physically gorgeous filthy rich or both ;)
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Be careful--more cheats here
I was in Grand Rapids MI for a evening and I called an escort for an outcall at my room in hotel based on advt in yellow pages; viz. GIRLFRIEND EXPERINCE A vii vii iii-9v4viii, AND LO; a mother of one kid with lot of stretch matrks visited my room. She was half ARAB though american by birth. As usual we have to pay upfront which I did. After some time she said she forgot condoms, which I had to produce from my stock; again after some time she said she has to get her bag from car from parking lot of hotel. And before I could protest or argue, she dressed and went leaving only her socks as if enough colateral; never to return. Senior mongers, pl advise how would you manage such situations? This is my first experience of Major CHEATING / Fraud Be carefule of this half Arab girl, its the pressure of motherhood probably makes her so mean minded and cheat and not her ethnicity.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]It is a numbers game but I've seen guys have an 80% rate or higher. It has to do with being physically gorgeous filthy rich or both.[/QUOTE]The only reason those kind of guys have a 80% or higher ratio. If indeed they do. Is because they don't usually go on the hunt. They stand back and wait to see what they attract. Its a big difference. If you are that physically attractive or flashing cash (which you'd have to do for a girl to know your rich) then you will attract women to you. But what I find with the physically attractive types. Is they lack any type of personality and eventually it catches up with them I. E. Case in point a poor Marlon brando type. A guy who in his 20s and 30s to women was to die for. But once he past 40. And not a movie star or rich he better be into mongering. Otherwise he's SOL.
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Sometimes what helps me is dating women I'm not all that attracted to. Easy to blow them off, and the more you do that, the more they want you.
That's half joking. When I'm dating a woman whom I know I won't be compatible with, I often go the near silent route, just letting them do all the talking. I'm not too good at putting forth a false front, so in essence I take the fifth.
I choose not to incriminate myself with sincere statements or opinions.
Ever notice how sometimes in bars, it's like those contests where everyone fights to be the last one with their hand remaining on a car? If you can maintain contact long enough, you win it?
Often in bars I've noticed guys drinking with women and catering to their egos until the wee hours. I'll admit that if I'm among a group of guys vying for a woman's attention over many drinks, I most often say fuck it and throw the towel in early on.
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[quote=thatguy865]have you guys ever considered that maybe one of many different reasons for aw being a bit harder to approach also stems from the media in america which instills fear in women.
america is a much more violent place than anywhere in europe or asia. do you know any european country which has as many publicized women victimizers, of all races and walks of life. we have the famous women killers o. j.. robert blake (baretta). we have the serial [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. ted budy. richard ramirez. the socialite. the central park preppie murder. and these are just the most infamous. let alone all the local known [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] each major city infamously has publicized.
you don't see, or hear 1/10th of these types of reports outside of america. do they have [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] and murders in other countries. of course the do. but due to our afluence. we have more people with more tv and with more channels and our news focuses on these violent crimes.
aw are constantly bombarded with messages telling them not to trust men you do not know.
while foreign women don't have this message bombarding them constantly. there fore they are more at ease with a strange man approaching them and striking up a conversation.
i mean this is not the only reason. but it definitely plays into it.[/quote]i agree a lot on this. so this is one of the big reason why aw are the way they are, but this does not make them any good anyway.
still usa is some of the safest countries or at least public places are very safe, but the women are really afraid of men. also in usa it is very easy punish a man if he only touches a woman.
on the other hand in other countries, women are in much more unsafe to them environment, but still they are much more approachable, also easily would go to your home(except places with certain traditions).
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[QUOTE=Praj4] And before I could protest or argue, she dressed and went leaving only her socks as if enough colateral; never to return. Senior mongers, pl advise how would you manage such situations? This is my first experience of Major CHEATING / Fraud Be carefule of this half Arab girl, its the pressure of motherhood probably makes her so mean minded and cheat and not her ethnicity.[/QUOTE]The best is never call an escort in USA. Unless it is recommended by a friend who had an actual experience with them. Save your money and nerves for something somewhere else. From what you've described, what happened to you was probably much better than fucking that nasty broad and have nightmares afterwards.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]The only reason those kind of guys have a 80% or higher ratio. If indeed they do. Is because they don't usually go on the hunt. They stand back and wait to see what they attract. Its a big difference. If you are that physically attractive or flashing cash (which you'd have to do for a girl to know your rich) then you will attract women to you. But what I find with the physically attractive types. Is they lack any type of personality and eventually it catches up with them I. E. Case in point a poor Marlon brando type. A guy who in his 20s and 30s to women was to die for. But once he past 40. And not a movie star or rich he better be into mongering. Otherwise he's SOL.[/QUOTE]
Not true in Colombia. It's a healthier environment so it's easier to be good looking here and take care of yourself. In the US to be that good looking you have to dedicate your whole life to it and make huge sacrifices. The big difference is in the food supply.
It is true that mostly he waits for girls to come to him, up to a point.
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Man, that just sounds so tiresome. And if you're not all that attracted to them, is it worth the time, effort and money spent? I guess you get what you can get, and if you are getting something here in gringalandia you are doing better than me How much do you spend on these dates?
Myself. I tried OKCupid recently just to see what would happen, and it was a waste of time and energy, a total disaster, even though the site rated me in their 'attractive' group at age 46 (I do look mid-30s, while not really athletic I am fit and have a nice smile). Of course being 5 foot 7 takes me out of the picture for most decent gringas for online dating even if I was 21.
But meanwhile. I can go to Lima Peru and date and routinely bang regular women, 7 and 7. 5s in their early 20s to mid 30's. I let them know basically what I am all about, that I am not looking for commitment. But if they like me it doesn't matter, they are all over me.
The difference will always boggle my mind. And its not just about money- if I lived in Peru as a relatively poor man with only enough money to take my dates out to a middling restaurant and cinema, I could still get laid with decent women. Its about all the worsening damage negative factors like feminist media, materialism, decaying pop culture, and fast food, have inflicted on females within the 'more advanced and progressive' Western societies like the US. In countries like Colombia or Peru these factors have yet to advance so deeply to cause near the levels of damage to the hearts, minds and bodies of the more humble typical latina woman from these places, although the factors do exist and can probably be expected to also slowly increase over time, especially in the larger cities.
For now anyway, when in Lima I find by dating a secretary, as opposed to trying to say hook up with a successful female executive VP of some peruvian company, I am able to safely avoid most of these factors. But fast food and resulting fat chicas are increasing.
[QUOTE=Vaquero]Sometimes what helps me is dating women I'm not all that attracted to. Easy to blow them off, and the more you do that, the more they want you.
That's half joking. When I'm dating a woman whom I know I won't be compatible with, I often go the near silent route, just letting them do all the talking. I'm not too good at putting forth a false front, so in essence I take the fifth.
I choose not to incriminate myself with sincere statements or opinions.
Ever notice how sometimes in bars, it's like those contests where everyone fights to be the last one with their hand remaining on a car? If you can maintain contact long enough, you win it?
Often in bars I've noticed guys drinking with women and catering to their egos until the wee hours. I'll admit that if I'm among a group of guys vying for a woman's attention over many drinks, I most often say fuck it and throw the towel in early on.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Not true in Colombia. It's a healthier environment so it's easier to be good looking here and take care of yourself. In the US to be that good looking you have to dedicate your whole life to it and make huge sacrifices. The big difference is in the food supply.
It is true that mostly he waits for girls to come to him, up to a point.[/QUOTE]Its no harder in the USA to be healthy. You have that wrong. Its the reverse. Its just easier to be unhealthy. We have 10x the number of fast food places (no city in Colombia has close to the number of fast food as our metro cities). Everyone can afford a car (less than 50% in Colombia own a car). We have bigger supermarkets with cheap processed foods its a choice.
If you want to spend time cooking (and alot of americans don't). Its easy and cheap to buy pre made processed foods. They are readily available on every block. If you want to be healthy its a matter of choice. All supermarkets offer organic foods. We have gyms all over. Farmers markets. Supermarkets dedicated to nothing buy the best all natural foods like Whole foods. And each area has super markets which compete with Wholes foods.
The fact of the matter is America became so affluent. Alot of people just got lazy. We have remotes to do every thing. Remotes for air condition. Those self vacumming vacum cleaners. U-turn it on and it vacuum by itself. People don't walk any where and too many buy processed pre cooked food. Each one of these is a choice.
Even with our recession we still have a lower unemployment rate than Colombia, shit its still considered a 3rd world country, with rebels still running around jungles and can you say FARC. Dude get a grip on reality
Please its idiotic to compare the two on a whole. Stick to saying the women are cutier. At least you might have an argument. Country to Country is a no brainer. Shit you don't see all of latin america rushing their borders.
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An American married to a Filipina.
An article in The Palm Beach Post today about a cab driver in his 40s married to a Filipina woman for nine years after a divorce from his American wife. He says quote “For the first time I felt attractive and wanted, desired and it was awesome. This is the way people are supposed to feel. I never felt this way with American girls.” unquote.
He works 10-12 weeks in West Palm Beach yearly to make enough money, $3000 for a years existence in the jungle village of Sangahon in the southern end of Leyte Island where he lives in a tree house with his wife 13 years younger than him and their 3 children aged 2,5 and 6. He enjoys being the family elder to 40 nephews and nieces.
”I’m the head of a huge clan there. To the people in the jungle, I’m a hero.”
The link to the article with photos and readers comments are:
[url]http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/cerabino-a-cabby-doesnt-own-much-but-in-976155.html[/url]
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More $$$
[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]An article in The Palm Beach Post today about a cab driver in his 40s married to a Filipina woman for nine years after a divorce from his American wife. He says quote “For the first time I felt attractive and wanted, desired and it was awesome. This is the way people are supposed to feel. I never felt this way with American girls.” unquote.
He works 10-12 weeks in West Palm Beach yearly to make enough money, $3000 for a years existence in the jungle village of Sangahon in the southern end of Leyte Island where he lives in a tree house with his wife 13 years younger than him and their 3 children aged 2,5 and 6. He enjoys being the family elder to 40 nephews and nieces.
”I’m the head of a huge clan there. To the people in the jungle, I’m a hero.”
The link to the article with photos and readers comments are:
[url]http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/cerabino-a-cabby-doesnt-own-much-but-in-976155.html[/url][/QUOTE]We all agree he's doing the right thing by avoiding USA fembot/pigs. But this guy needs to at least get into some kind of high paying work like oil/rotational jobs in like places North Dakota. CDL jobs. Etc. Or get some kind of income stream set up via the computer.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]An article in The Palm Beach Post today about a cab driver in his 40s married to a Filipina woman for nine years after a divorce from his American wife. He says quote “For the first time I felt attractive and wanted, desired and it was awesome. This is the way people are supposed to feel. I never felt this way with American girls.” unquote.
He works 10-12 weeks in West Palm Beach yearly to make enough money, $3000 for a years existence in the jungle village of Sangahon in the southern end of Leyte Island where he lives in a tree house with his wife 13 years younger than him and their 3 children aged 2,5 and 6. He enjoys being the family elder to 40 nephews and nieces.
”I’m the head of a huge clan there. To the people in the jungle, I’m a hero.”
The link to the article with photos and readers comments are:
[url]http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/cerabino-a-cabby-doesnt-own-much-but-in-976155.html[/url][/QUOTE]I guess its cool if you want to live like tarzan. $3000 a year is poor even by their standards. Its amazing what lengths a man will go to for a piece of pussy.
That in itself tells you why AW act the way they do. A man is willing to give up all his creature comforts. Electricty. Indoor plumbing. Contact with the world. Just for a piece of pussy on a regular basis.
But that is a man with more than woman issues because he has checked out of society period. He is no different than the homeless on the street who can't deal with the day to day hustle of modern society. The only difference he has a companion.
[QUOTE]On the downside, there are the typhoons, earthquakes and mudslides. And let's not forget those genital-attacking mountain lice, which are vanquished with kerosene.
"The first sentence I learned in Visayan was 'My testicles itch, '? " Hoag said.
There's no air conditioning and spotty electrical service, and the nearest Internet connection is a two-hour motorcycle ride away[/QUOTE]If thats heaven to you. I'll stay here in hell. Thank you very much.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Its no harder in the USA to be healthy.
If you want to be healthy its a matter of choice. All supermarkets offer organic foods. We have gyms all over. Farmers markets. Supermarkets dedicated to nothing buy the best all natural foods like Whole foods. And each area has super markets which compete with Wholes foods.
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I agree, it is much easier to find a restaurant in the states that serves organic/health food. However, the food outside the states (mediterranean) it is just 1000 times better. The quality, variety, cooking, markets, freshness, etc. there is no comparison.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I guess its cool if you want to live like tarzan. $3000 a year is poor even by their standards. Its amazing what lengths a man will go to for a piece of pussy.[/QUOTE]
That was hilarious. I can look at it both ways though... Either this guy is totally nuts or the women in America are! lol
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I agree, it is much easier to find a restaurant in the states that serves organic/health food. However, the food outside the states (mediterranean) it is just 1000 times better. The quality, variety, cooking, markets, freshness, etc. there is no comparison[/QUOTE]There is no country who has more variety than the USA they might have different stuff but not more variety, we have stores with products from every part of the world. USA wins hands down
Cooking is a matter of opinion. I doubt if wolfgang puck, emril, bobby flan would say. Oh yeah we can't cook as well as them. We just don't know how to turn on a oven the way they do.
Markets. We win. We have Mega markets compared to any Mediterrian country. Now if you are talking liitle local markets. That depends on the city. NYC has a great market where you can buy fish as fresh as straight out of the ocean. In Ohio you can get a side of beef cut off the hoof. So in the U. S its your local that dictates faramer markets. It much larger than mediterrian countries. If you talking Idaho again. Its land locked and far from anywhere so it has to be shipped
As far as freshness now I might go along with that because in a lot of other countries they prefer to go to the market on a daily basis and the countries are smaller. We grow our oranges in florida. Obviously they family in Idaho has to wait for them to be shipped. Where in mediterrian countries they general eat only what is locally grown (hence why we have more variety. We have stuff shipped in from all over the world).
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Bango,
Even though I say Colombia is not as afluent as the USA and the USA has it beat in many ways. I do believe Colombia is a great choice as a place for one to live or retire. Americans in alot of ways are consumed with material things and with that comes self induced stress. Where in a lot of other countries while the people do not have as much. They are happier with what they have and as long as a place supplies the basic necessaity along with a few of the creature comforts. One can live a good life. (although that dude living like tarazan has taken it to the extreme). So In other words. Yes one can live a good life in Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I agree, it is much easier to find a restaurant in the states that serves organic/health food. However, the food outside the states (mediterranean) it is just 1000 times better. The quality, variety, cooking, markets, freshness, etc. there is no comparison.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, food outside the U.S. is 10000000000 times better. I feel the difference in my body when I travel overseas.
U.S farm animals are injected with all kinds of drugs, antibiotics, growth hormones etc. Some U.S. milk contains Growth hormones. The Coke drinks you buy in the U.S contains Corn Syrup, the Coke you buy in Africa, Latin America, contains Cane sugar, a much better product than Corn syrup and so with all this junk in our food we wonder why Americans are so obese.
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American Women
Have to say that after visiting America a few times on business I can add in a few comments of my own that you may like. Being european and watching a lot of american TV it is quite easy to get the idea that the majority of american girls are slim sexy types. Landing for the first time and actually getting out the plane and seeing the average american girls it is no wonder you guys complain. Im so glad that I can go back to the UK and not have to put up with these women. Totally amazed at thier attitudes and how they think that they can get away with it and sponge off of thier husbands. Depending on getting the poor suckers hooked and then bleeding them dry of both spirit and of money.
I wonder why you guys put up with it. I did have a few daubbles in the mongering when I was there but then again so glad that I dont live there ! Like Nevada you guys put up with paying silly money and then having the girl go through with so many dont do this dont do thats? Pugh ! like you know how many hours I worked to get the price of what you want to charge me for an hour? Yep and Ive to put up with crap ? Florida having to sit and wank myself off watching you model lingerie ? 7-11 and buy playboy ? What I cant get playboy as it upsets women ? why cause it gives guys an outlet to stop them chasing girls? Yep. Its the land of the emancuated indeed. Law busts and total draconian attitudes along with girls that think that they are worth all this high maintenance pish.
Nope dont bother with the yanks when Im out there now quite glad just to yank myself off and forget any interaction with an overweight and full of self importance breed of imbiciles.
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Entitlement
[QUOTE=Hornyscot]Have to say that after visiting America a few times on business I can add in a few comments of my own that you may like. Being european and watching a lot of american TV it is quite easy to get the idea that the majority of american girls are slim sexy types. Landing for the first time and actually getting out the plane and seeing the average american girls it is no wonder you guys complain. I'm so glad that I can go back to the UK and not have to put up with these women. Totally amazed at thier attitudes and how they think that they can get away with it and sponge off of thier husbands. Depending on getting the poor suckers hooked and then bleeding them dry of both spirit and of money.
I wonder why you guys put up with it. I did have a few daubbles in the mongering when I was there but then again so glad that I don't live there! Like Nevada you guys put up with paying silly money and then having the girl go through with so many don't do this don't do thats? Pugh! Like you know how many hours I worked to get the price of what you want to charge me for an hour? Yep and I've to put up with crap? Florida having to sit and wank myself off watching you model lingerie? 7-11 and buy playboy? What I can't get playboy as it upsets women? Why cause it gives guys an outlet to stop them chasing girls? Yep. Its the land of the emancuated indeed. Law busts and total draconian attitudes along with girls that think that they are worth all this high maintenance pish.
Nope don't bother with the yanks when I'm out there now quite glad just to yank myself off and forget any interaction with an overweight and full of self importance breed of imbiciles.[/QUOTE]I think that the problem with American women is that they feel a sense of entitlement. They want to be equals to men (which is great, I think that most men would agree that the sexes should be equal).
At the same time, they feel that they're entitled to the advantages that they've enjoyed as women. There are a large number of women who still aspire to be stay-at-home wives who live off of their husband's earnings without working. Women still want to be pampered and showered with gifts and lavish dinners. They still want to receive alimony from men after divorces. They still want to maintain custody preference, and rake in large child-support payments after divorce.
In essence, they feel that they're entitled to more than men are entitled to, and it shows in many of their attitudes. It's like their entire dating philosophy consists of finding out how much they can get out of a relationship while putting in as little as possible, and sex is a major bargaining chip that they use to maintain that balance. This is why many of them see sex workers in such a negative light. It is a direct threat to their control of relationships. If men are able to pay for sex, women will lose some of their bargaining power, and will have to put more effort into relationships while not getting as many benefits.
Perhaps this view is cynical, but it's based on my past experiences with american women.
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[QUOTE=Hornyscot] I'm so glad that I can go back to the UK and not have to put up with these women. Totally amazed at thier attitudes and how they think that they can get away with it and sponge off of thier husbands. Depending on getting the poor suckers hooked and then bleeding them dry of both spirit and of money. [/QUOTE]
IMHO, there's only one country on planet earth that has women that are worse than AW and that's Great Britain.
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[QUOTE=Hornyscot]Have to say that after visiting America a few times on business I can add in a few comments of my own that you may like. Being european and watching a lot of american TV it is quite easy to get the idea that the majority of american girls are slim sexy types. Landing for the first time and actually getting out the plane and seeing the average american girls it is no wonder you guys complain. Im so glad that I can go back to the UK and not have to put up with these women. Totally amazed at thier attitudes and how they think that they can get away with it and sponge off of thier husbands. Depending on getting the poor suckers hooked and then bleeding them dry of both spirit and of money.
I wonder why you guys put up with it. I did have a few daubbles in the mongering when I was there but then again so glad that I dont live there ! Like Nevada you guys put up with paying silly money and then having the girl go through with so many dont do this dont do thats? Pugh ! like you know how many hours I worked to get the price of what you want to charge me for an hour? Yep and Ive to put up with crap ? Florida having to sit and wank myself off watching you model lingerie ? 7-11 and buy playboy ? What I cant get playboy as it upsets women ? why cause it gives guys an outlet to stop them chasing girls? Yep. Its the land of the emancuated indeed. Law busts and total draconian attitudes along with girls that think that they are worth all this high maintenance pish.
Nope dont bother with the yanks when Im out there now quite glad just to yank myself off and forget any interaction with an overweight and full of self importance breed of imbiciles.[/QUOTE]UK women are probably even worse than American women. The idea most American women are slim and sexy is Hollywood muckracking BS. I think Australia beats the US to a degree, its nothing compared to Latin America and Eastern Europe. I live in a big international city, and I meet women from all over, so as long as you got a job and a place, reasonably fit and clean, you will definitely find plenty of women. Even in America, the fit and clean struggle to get it on.
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Working for them
I have never been married. When I was younger, it made me a little depressed, but these days, at 40, I don't mind so much, especially since I work for a woman.
Never been harassed so much in my life. I always know that if the tables were turned, and if it were a white guy berating a Latin female like she does me, I'd be in deep shit.
But it may be a benefit in the long run. Truth be told, I haven't been in a lot of longterm relationships, but I think I understand marriage more by being in this work situation. It's fucking miserable. Working for a woman is like getting a vasectomy that prevents marriage.
I do think they're pretty good at interior decorating, though. I'll give them that.
A little disappointed I haven't had the chance to father a son. I'm sure daughters could be cool, too, but the truth is that most American mothers will poison their minds. Damn shame.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]I have never been married. When I was younger, it made me a little depressed, but these days, at 40, I don't mind so much, especially since I work for a woman.
Never been harassed so much in my life. I always know that if the tables were turned, and if it were a white guy berating a Latin female like she does me, I'd be in deep shit.[/QUOTE]A woman who wants to succeed as a manager/professional in the US working world economy simply has to take on the exact opposite characteristics that make for an appealing female dating/love/sex partner. Sweet, happy, compliant, sensual, uncomplicated.
My work project manager seems to be a decent lady at heart, and is not fat or intrinsically ugly, and I get along fine with her professionally. But when she smiles the hardness built up from years trying to climb the corporate ladder shows in her face. She just has to be a bit of a battle-axe to be as successful as she is in her career in a pretty cutthroat environment. She is very well off financially due to her advancement within the company but I just can't imagine ever dating never mind ever ever being a husband to a woman like this but she does have a husband. I don't know him, I wonder if he mongers? Its hard to imagine he has a good married sex life.
Occasional travel to places where I can trade my gringo charm and accumulated financial resources for access to the delightful wet pussies of the poor uncomplicated unspoiled young chicas of latin america is much more appealing to dating any available AW professional career woman, and the best I can do at the moment.
Granted if I was a tall, high status, extroverted, very athletic and very attractive man which I am not I could certainly date and bang some of the better looking professional AW. But even if I was that man, I still don't see how I could be satisfied with these AW, I would always have to prefer the sweet simple unspoiled latin american chicas and what they offer in the bedroom.
What is the alternative in gringalandia? Dating AW +non-professional+ women? That also would have its issues, like probably an even deeper hit on my bank account than traveling and mongering for far less satisfaction. This group is the PeopleOfWalmart crowd, uggh!
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[QUOTE=Kattt]In essence, they feel that they're entitled to more than men are entitled to, and it shows in many of their attitudes. It's like their entire dating philosophy consists of finding out how much they can get out of a relationship while putting in as little as possible, and sex is a major bargaining chip that they use to maintain that balance. This is why many of them see sex workers in such a negative light. It is a direct threat to their control of relationships. If men are able to pay for sex, women will lose some of their bargaining power, and will have to put more effort into relationships while not getting as many benefits.
Perhaps this view is cynical, but it's based on my past experiences with american women.[/QUOTE]Having been married to an American once, and now to an Eastern European, I'd say you hit the nail right on the head.
She used to call it P.O.P: The power of pussy.
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AW dog is dead
AW dog is long dead. No point shooting it. It's widely accepted around the globe among the enlightened. Corpses are now bloated, rotting and smelling due to decay.
Even saying 'hello, how are you' is a waste of time. The dog can no longer wag her tail.
One word of caution though: When you meet young juicy pulsating pussies from foreign lands, make sure to allude to 'so called stunning AW with brain' !! Tell them all AW look like models you saw on TV soap opera from Hollywood or better. Be lavish in singing paeans of praise for AW. Tell them though we think AWs are the most beautiful and the best, we are considering you only because you have a sincere heart. AWs are a bit materialist for our taste. Never make the mistake of badmouthing AWs in front of foreign pussies.
For some reasons, foreign pussies like to hear that. They like us to be condescending. This has been my experience I wanted to share.
I do not go into 'why it's like that'. I am only interested in 'what is like what' and use it.
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And if a foreign pussy has been to USA, ignore her. She is worse than AW. She has realized her worth. Her eyes are now opened and now she is a Mexican who wants Texas back.
She will treat you like no body.
[QUOTE=Badboy27]AW dog is long dead. No point shooting it. It's widely accepted around the globe among the enlightened. Corpses are now bloated, rotting and smelling due to decay.
Even saying 'hello, how are you' is a waste of time. The dog can no longer wag her tail.
One word of caution though: When you meet young juicy pulsating pussies from foreign lands, make sure to allude to 'so called stunning AW with brain' !! Tell them all AW look like models you saw on TV soap opera from Hollywood or better. Be lavish in singing paeans of praise for AW. Tell them though we think AWs are the most beautiful and the best, we are considering you only because you have a sincere heart. AWs are a bit materialist for our taste. Never make the mistake of badmouthing AWs in front of foreign pussies.
For some reasons, foreign pussies like to hear that. They like us to be condescending. This has been my experience I wanted to share.
I do not go into 'why it's like that'. I am only interested in 'what is like what' and use it.[/QUOTE]
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Not quite so hard for them
"A woman who wants to succeed as a manager/professional in the US working world economy simply has to take on the exact opposite characteristics that make for an appealing female dating/love/sex partner. Sweet, happy, compliant, sensual, uncomplicated.
My work project manager seems to be a decent lady at heart, and is not fat or intrinsically ugly, and I get along fine with her professionally. But when she smiles the hardness built up from years trying to climb the corporate ladder shows in her face. She just has to be a bit of a battle-axe to be as successful as she is in her career in a pretty cutthroat environment."
All I can say is I work as a civil servant and it's so much a cut-throat environment for women as it is a system that requires a certain quota of women to be in higher level positions. A woman in today's government has a fairly easy ticket from what I've seen.
Women in the workplace are by far the most political and insecure people I've worked with, both in the private and public sectors. They also pride themselves on manipulation and keeping secrets.
Their one convenient downfall is that they're sometime unable to contain their emotions, so you get to witness public outbursts occasionally that lessen their credibility. But unfortunately, they're still women with a big affirmative action push behind them, so it's still hard for them to get in trouble.
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[QUOTE=Badboy27]PS.
And if a foreign pussy has been to USA, ignore her. She is worse than AW. She has realized her worth. Her eyes are now opened and now she is a Mexican who wants Texas back.
She will treat you like no body.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that always happens. Remember you only hear or remember the worst, its easy to remember, its human nature. I can tell you for sure that their are plenty of immigrants and expats from Europe in America that almost completely reject our social structure.
What you forget is that many countries allow you to keep your citizenship. If worst comes to worst, you can go back to France, this was pointed out Micheal Moore's film Sicko.
If anything Foreign Women (in the US) are more honest and won't waste your time. If they don't find interesting and/or attractive, then they won't give you a fake phone number or their actual phone number and then threaten legal action when you actually call it.
In otherwords, most Foreign women are NOT copying the worst aspects of AW.
What most here are thinking of are the women becoming engulfed in our Capitalist Economy, then demanding the large SUV, oversize Home and lavish Vacations.
Which I find interesting, some people don't want others to experience the perts of our economy such as it is? If you married a Gold Digger, you ignored the signs, its your fault. Women don't turn into Gold Digging, Sexual Prudes overnight, you didn't see it.
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Hmmm....
A Mexicana who's been somewhat pursuing me for awhile, even after I expressed my preference for married women, suggested we take a trip together. She's offered to pick up half the costs of the hotel.
That's unusual. Maybe I'll go ahead and take the money from her and then set it on the dresser for her at the end of the weekend.
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Ex-students
OK, I tried contacting one, just one, ex-student via FB and she did not respond. I need to try it on others, not sure who though.
Been back in the States 10 days, and am already not getting a response from a girl who just moved here a month ago ( I met her back in Europe, I kind of know her family). We had talked about NYC and how I was going to show her everything and she was so excited and blablabla and now....nada. Oh well, she's not much to look at anyway but still would do her.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]OK, I tried contacting one, just one, ex-student via FB and she did not respond. I need to try it on others, not sure who though.
Been back in the States 10 days, and am already not getting a response from a girl who just moved here a month ago (I met her back in Europe, I kind of know her family). We had talked about NYC and how I was going to show her everything and she was so excited and blablabla and now. Nada. Oh well, she's not much to look at anyway but still would do her.[/QUOTE]You are too naive, sorry.
Most likely she has already gotten 10-20 chumps(no offence, a joke) like you from the internet, promising a lot in exchange of her attention.
And in addition to that, after her arrival, the rumors about the "fresh" pussy has propagaded quickly, so now there is a line of guys in BMW, Mercedes and Lexuses has lined up.
This is what happens when a new pussy(even ugly ones) enters the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. You face a lot of competition for 1-2-3 holes in a piece of meat. This sucks, but that's the USA reality.
I know this for sure, I had posted a fake profile on a dating site, you have to see what kinda things men are offering! Also one my ex-girlfriend was shocked after she placed a profile on a dating site. She got offers from some rich people, asking her out, promising dinners, some NYC producers inviting her to their shows, etc. Some guys drove 100 miles to see her.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]You are too naive, sorry.
Most likely she has already gotten 10-20 chumps(no offence, a joke) like you from the internet, promising a lot in exchange of her attention.
And in addition to that, after her arrival, the rumors about the "fresh" pussy has propagaded quickly, so now there is a line of guys in BMW, Mercedes and Lexuses has lined up.
This is what happens when a new pussy(even ugly ones) enters the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. You face a lot of competition for 1-2-3 holes in a piece of meat. This sucks, but that's the USA reality.
I know this for sure, I had posted a fake profile on a dating site, you have to see what kinda things men are offering! Also one my ex-girlfriend was shocked after she placed a profile on a dating site. She got offers from some rich people, asking her out, promising dinners, some NYC producers inviting her to their shows, etc. Some guys drove 100 miles to see her.[/QUOTE]
LOL I also posted a fake profile in China (DIA site) with a nice photo of a chick I had picked in Shanghai. That got over 30-40 responses a day! An oxford university professor, vice presidents of companies, real estate tycoons, doctors .. all responded. Lots of guys from UK USA Germany and some Turkish, Australians. No one from China itself. It was an eye opener.
Such was the case in China. I can only surmise what would happen if a hot chick posts on match-dot-com or any US website.
Watch the internet ads/banners for ANY American dating site. They always post a picture of the hot girl. They know there are no women. It's all just men becoming members and paying obscene money. So they target men.
I ignore all US sites completely. Going to a local grocery store and picking up MILFs is much much easier. For fresh off the boat chicks , try libraries of community colleges.
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[QUOTE=Badboy27]LOL I also posted a fake profile in China (DIA site) with a nice photo of a chick I had picked in Shanghai. That got over 30-40 responses a day! An oxford university professor, vice presidents of companies, real estate tycoons, doctors .. all responded. Lots of guys from UK USA Germany and some Turkish, Australians. No one from China itself. It was an eye opener.
Such was the case in China. I can only surmise what would happen if a hot chick posts on match-dot-com or any US website.
Watch the internet ads/banners for ANY American dating site. They always post a picture of the hot girl. They know there are no women. It's all just men becoming members and paying obscene money. So they target men.
I ignore all US sites completely. Going to a local grocery store and picking up MILFs is much much easier. For fresh off the boat chicks , try libraries of community colleges.[/QUOTE]
That whole dating website thing is really strange. I've known some really hot chicks that were into that scene. One of them was a hot P.R. chick with one of the the all-time top three nicest asses I have ever seen. No kids but real stuck up though. I believe females think they can order up the perfect man criteria wise when describing what they are looking for, and that is why they go that route.
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[QUOTE=Mike12]That whole dating website thing is really strange. I've known some really hot chicks that were into that scene. One of them was a hot P.R. chick with one of the the all-time top three nicest asses I have ever seen. No kids but real stuck up though. I believe females think they can order up the perfect man criteria wise when describing what they are looking for, and that is why they go that route.[/QUOTE]
Actually its more complex than that.
Dating Web Sites equalize things for men, not for women really.
If you don't appear "successful" (Car, Job, Clothes) then your penalized. Then women parse that. Is the car a BMW or Benz, is the job high paying and are the clothes from a upscale retailer? If not, they marks off each and weigh that against how you look. The further you're away from Taye Diggs, Ricky Martin or Brad Pitt, you get put on the "Friend's Ladder". But that only happens in real time. On web sites they can filter out those easily, which is why lying is so effective for men.
I can't explain to Cherchez why failed with his Facebook Girl. Its likely she wasn't that into him but didn't want to hurt his feelings. Women know almost instantly if they are going to let you fuck them or not. At least I know, I've never been shocked when the panties drop, its expected, I get results. The only time I'm surprised is how quickly it happens, first date anybody?
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I Agree!
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Dating Web Sites equalize things for men, not for women really.
If you don't appear "successful" (Car, Job, Clothes) then your penalized. Then women parse that. Is the car a BMW or Benz, is the job high paying and are the clothes from a upscale retailer? If not, they marks off each and weigh that against how you look. The further you're away from Taye Diggs, Ricky Martin or Brad Pitt, you get put on the "Friend's Ladder". But that only happens in real time. On web sites they can filter out those easily, which is why lying is so effective for men...[/QUOTE]Excellent point! Dating websites and social networks can equalize the playing field for men.
-Helpmann :)
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Strength in numbers
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]OK, I tried contacting one, just one, ex-student via FB and she did not respond. I need to try it on others, not sure who though.
Been back in the States 10 days, and am already not getting a response from a girl who just moved here a month ago ( I met her back in Europe, I kind of know her family). We had talked about NYC and how I was going to show her everything and she was so excited and blablabla and now....nada. Oh well, she's not much to look at anyway but still would do her.[/QUOTE]
A sample of "one, just one, ex-student" is meaningless on a dating site and even more meaningless on Facebook, just like striking out with one girl in a bar is. Maybe she was not looking for love, maybe you are not her type, maybe she doesn't check Facebook that often, maybe she is waiting for her date to show up... the possibilities are endless. It is the same on Mamba, a much more powerful dating for sex platform, you do not make just one contact and give up if she doesn't reciprocate.
The power of on-line dating (and social networking) is that you can make numerous low-effort contacts to smoke out a few leads amongst the hundreds (or thousands) of possibilities. Plus there is little emotional cost to putting yourself out there and getting rejected. Just move on to the next profile. But try moving in on younger women or former students/colleagues in a bar and either you will be emotionally exhausted after a few tries, or someone will complain to management or the police about harassment!
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Women know almost instantly if they are going to let you fuck them or not. At least I know, I've never been shocked when the panties drop, its expected, I get results. The only time I'm surprised is how quickly it happens, first date anybody?[/QUOTE]
Another excellent point. Sometimes I feel my balls are well... My CRYSTAL BALLS.
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I don't think she's been hit on by many men. She is an engineer and works long hours and is very serious about her job. I don't think she's been in an environment yet where that can happen.
Two, she's not hot enough to attract a lot of attention and Three, she is not the flirty type at all.
Maybe I'm just being 2 negative with myself? Anyway I'll try once more.
But I know what you're trying to say.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]You are too naive, sorry.
Most likely she has already gotten 10-20 chumps(no offence, a joke) like you from the internet, promising a lot in exchange of her attention.
And in addition to that, after her arrival, the rumors about the "fresh" pussy has propagaded quickly, so now there is a line of guys in BMW, Mercedes and Lexuses has lined up.
This is what happens when a new pussy(even ugly ones) enters the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. You face a lot of competition for 1-2-3 holes in a piece of meat. This sucks, but that's the USA reality.
I know this for sure, I had posted a fake profile on a dating site, you have to see what kinda things men are offering! Also one my ex-girlfriend was shocked after she placed a profile on a dating site. She got offers from some rich people, asking her out, promising dinners, some NYC producers inviting her to their shows, etc. Some guys drove 100 miles to see her.[/QUOTE]
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I ignore all US sites completely. Going to a local grocery store and picking up MILFs is much much easier. For fresh off the boat chicks , try libraries of community colleges.[/QUOTE]
-Re US sites: I want to ignore them but a) i've heard too many success stories to ignore them totally and b) i actually have talked to and gone on dates with girls i met online so it IS possible to get something out of it.
-I'd love to pick up a few MILFs but have never had any success
-Re comm. colleges, that's not a bad idea
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]A sample of "one, just one, ex-student" is meaningless on a dating site and even more meaningless on Facebook, just like striking out with one girl in a bar is. ![/QUOTE]
I know man, I know one is meaningless. I wanted to tell you guys I tried it with one at least, now I have to do it with others.
I just feel weird doing it, like its wrong :)
A few of my ex-students who are still in HS have tried to friend me but I turn them down. Too young.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Re US sites: I want to ignore them but a) i've heard too many success stories to ignore them totally and b) i actually have talked to and gone on dates with girls i met online so it IS possible to get something out of it.
-I'd love to pick up a few MILFs but have never had any success
-Re comm. colleges, that's not a bad idea[/QUOTE]Just curious, what is your age? I used to be interested in MILF's when was much younger, now in mid 30's, not interested in MILF's at all. I think MILFs also want much younger guys. I'm now planning to marry a girl, early 20's.
When I was in US, I tried to use a couple of USA dating sites just to see whats available. There are some women, but from what i had seen mostly fat and ugly to me, waste of time.
Colombian sites such as romancelatina and eastern European sites are much better, they have nice young girls who are in USA too.
There are also many summer students from Eastern Europe looking to stay in USA. many work in restaurants and theme parks.
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]A sample of "one, just one, ex-student" is meaningless on a dating site and even more meaningless on Facebook, just like striking out with one girl in a bar is. Maybe she was not looking for love, maybe you are not her type, maybe she doesn't check Facebook that often, maybe she is waiting for her date to show up... the possibilities are endless. It is the same on Mamba, a much more powerful dating for sex platform, you do not make just one contact and give up if she doesn't reciprocate.
The power of on-line dating (and social networking) is that you can make numerous low-effort contacts to smoke out a few leads amongst the hundreds (or thousands) of possibilities. Plus there is little emotional cost to putting yourself out there and getting rejected. Just move on to the next profile. But try moving in on younger women or former students/colleagues in a bar and either you will be emotionally exhausted after a few tries, or someone will complain to management or the police about harassment![/QUOTE]
I agree, I never tried canvassing and usually picked out a few profiles I liked best and contacted those women, I would usually get back maybe one or two. For the sites I use, women find me and I reply if I find them attractive enough along with other factors.
I think I mentioned before, if you contact 100 profiles and get back 10 positive replies, that's about average in America.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Just curious, what is your age? I used to be interested in MILF's when was much younger, now in mid 30's, not interested in MILF's at all. I think MILFs also want much younger guys. I'm now planning to marry a girl, early 20's.
When I was in US, I tried to use a couple of USA dating sites just to see whats available. There are some women, but from what i had seen mostly fat and ugly to me, waste of time.
Colombian sites such as romancelatina and eastern European sites are much better, they have nice young girls who are in USA too.
There are also many summer students from Eastern Europe looking to stay in USA. many work in restaurants and theme parks.[/QUOTE]
Which MILF's want younger guys? In my experience they want somebody no older than 5-10 years than they are. So if your 40 like me, then you should be able to find a MILF about 28-30 who has taken care of herself (Not Fat).
You can find all sorts of desperate homely girls who have children but willing to do anything for a man. I think I told the story of the cashier I met at a truck stop in Ohio. If I wanted to screw her in the sleeper of my rig I could have that night. She was short, fat and not very cute. She had 2 unmanageable kids (bi-racial). I called her a few times because I was bored just to see what was up, it was a waste of my time.
Romance Latina seems to be legit and is the low cost DIY method of finding a girl in Colombia. I'm not knocked over by what I find on tour sites, but the women on RL are much better looking in most cases, younger as well.
US based web site are usually the trash heap unless your willing to compromise AND drop your standards. Not to mention most of the pussy you find is not worth driving or flying for.
Seems to me most of the FSU girls that find their way to the States end up on the east coast. There's a Ukrainian girl (23) who's on one of the IR forums I use and she's expressly looking for a Black Man to marry. She spent time down in Alabama going to school for semester. She's about a 8 on the old scale.
When they work at amusement parks, it seems again they are working at parks on the east coast. On a internet radio forum I listen too, there was a Ukrainian girl (25 now) that spent time in New Jersey working at Six Flag's Great Adventure. She's kind of cute, depends on your taste I guess, really thin and no tits. I don't think you'll find many "hotties" in America and I don't know if its worth to effort to track them down. Most of them still won't mind about a 10-15 age difference but usually met immature men around there age bracket. I guess it just depends on what they want. Elena's Models has a listing of just FSU Women in America. A few also show up on Lucky Lovers.
I'm not sure if its wise, but maybe the students might not "ruined" yet from spending time in America.
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MILFs vs Cougars
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Which MILF's want younger guys? In my experience they want somebody no older than 5-10 years than they are. So if your 40 like me, then you should be able to find a MILF about 28-30 who has taken care of herself.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think Goga is mixing up MILFs and Cougars.
Sure, probably most Cougars are MILFs, but it does not follow that most MILFs are cougars.
MILFs tend to be women who were hot in their younger days, went through the parenting treadmill, and have just emerged from marriage to discover they past their "best before date" and are not the hot commodity they once were. They are more realistic than their younger selves were and grateful for whatever attention they get. So they are relatively easy targets for uncomplicated sex. "Relatively" being the operative word - it is still hard to find ones that are both doable and not hung up on having a "relationship".
To increase the yield I target Russian/Ukrainian ex-pats in whatever city I am travelling. They are likely to be good looking and willing and more realistic about their market value. Plus they need to fuck to have a sense of self-worth as a woman. Also Russian girls perceive they have passed their "best before date" by age 30, which opens up a younger market than I would be able to tap with AW. I have some success with this strategy - not spectacular, but better than with any other plan.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Which MILF's want younger guys? In my experience they want somebody no older than 5-10 years than they are. So if your 40 like me, then you should be able to find a MILF about 28-30 who has taken care of herself (Not Fat).
You can find all sorts of desperate homely girls who have children but willing to do anything for a man.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Yes, I think Goga is mixing up MILFs and Cougars.
Sure, probably most Cougars are MILFs, but it does not follow that most MILFs are cougars.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess I mixed some terms a little bit.
What I was trying to say is that when you are younger like in your 20's you are more open to do older women such as MILFs and Cougars.
When your are older like 30's-40's+, I think you would be more interested to do younger women. At least for me its like this. Now in mid 30s' I can't imaging being with MILFs/Cougars.
It was in response to Cherchezfemme after he wrote that he would like to do MILFs. I was kinda surprised because I think before he used to write that he wanted to date his former students.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung] It was in response to Cherchezfemme after he wrote that he would like to do MILFs. I was kinda surprised because I think before he used to write that he wanted to date his former students.[/QUOTE]
Thing is Goga, I love women in general. I want to fuck them ALL. Young, middle-aged, I don't care. When a woman turns me on, it doesn't matter her age. Also understand, the woman I've fantasized about the most in my life was a latina MILF, the mother of a friend I had when I was younger (12-18). I've also only been with 2 MILFs in my life, both times I went with them once (P4P) so I haven't gotten it out of my system; I don't think I will ever get over being turned on by older good-looking women. I really want to visit a provider here in nyc, a latina MILF with a stunning body and great reviews, but its 200/hr plus 100 for greek and that is a LOT of money.
But I also love younger women, and I want kids, and so I fantasize about fucking them too. Lately I imagine them pregnant, and then eating breakfast with them in the morning while they wear one of my t-shirts. Then I bang them again after breakfast in the kitchen lol. A real domestic scene. I see healthy young women, with their radiant skin, rosy glow and shiny hair and I want them to carry my seed.
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Some pics of this latina MILF provider I mentioned
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme]Some pics of this latina MILF provider I mentioned[/QUOTE]I guess she is alright, although not my taste. Silicone tits?
Why don't you travel to South America? There you will find lots of good-looking MILFs for a fraction of the rediculous cost you have mentioned below.
You can even meet free MILFs there. When I was at a party in Colombia, there were 3 women in their late 30's and 40s', all were very horny and all over me, but I was interested in chicks 2 times younger:)
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I guess she is alright, although not my taste. Silicone tits?
Why don't you travel to South America? There you will find lots of good-looking MILFs for a fraction of the rediculous cost you have mentioned below.
You can even meet free MILFs there. When I was at a party in Colombia, there were 3 women in their late 30's and 40s', all were very horny and all over me, but I was interested in chicks 2 times younger:)[/QUOTE]
The simple truth is this -
MILF's/Single Mothers are not popular anywhere. But less so in America because I believe and others have pointed out there is a shortage of attractive single women in America. They also have been empowered by feminism 2.0 and there's no longer a social stigma attached to being a single parent.
Men will date women with children but seldom will Women date men with children unless she's not interested in having children or can't have children.
That diffuses any debate about children with those women.
DH (Dickhead) has often expressed the advantages of Single Mothers and I agree. I haven't closed that door completely but I just rather start from a position of just being with my wife for a year or two, maybe travel a bit before we commit to having children.
After all I went to Europe with all four women being Single Mothers, not one of them was just a Single Women without children...
But as I've said before my next trip is pushing eastward where its much easier to find women without children, but more than willing to have children in the future.
I concur with going to South America. Especially if your a half-way decent looking White Guy. Latinas love them some Gringos.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That diffuses any debate about children with those women.
DH (Dickhead) has often expressed the advantages of Single Mothers and I agree. I haven't closed that door completely but I just rather start from a position of just being with my wife for a year or two, maybe travel a bit before we commit to having children.
After all I went to Europe with all four women being Single Mothers, not one of them was just a Single Women without children.[/QUOTE]It really depends. I have one friend, he lives in Moscow. He married a mother with a child. She is even older than him. He dated dozens of other girls and had lots of options, he is good looking, educated, makes good money but choose this one. So even though she is a single mother, she can be that good. I'm not sure how they are in America.
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The problem with being with a woman who has sombody else's child is almost never the woman or even the child, it's the babydaddy!
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't think that always happens. Remember you only hear or remember the worst, its easy to remember, its human nature. I can tell you for sure that their are plenty of immigrants and expats from Europe in America that almost completely reject our social structure.
What you forget is that many countries allow you to keep your citizenship. If worst comes to worst, you can go back to France, this was pointed out Micheal Moore's film Sicko.
If anything Foreign Women (in the US) are more honest and won't waste your time. If they don't find interesting and/or attractive, then they won't give you a fake phone number or their actual phone number and then threaten legal action when you actually call it.
In otherwords, most Foreign women are NOT copying the worst aspects of AW.
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I'm fresh off a one month stint in Southern California after mongering in Latin America for three weeks and came to the following conclusion about women in America (domestic and foreign born): Women who come from places where if you don't have money you don't eat are materislistic as all get up. This includes America. In fact, AW had the highest material expecations of all of the women I met in the OC which incuded a Latina and two EEs. This fine (and rather typical OC) American chick that my buddy and his wife hooked me up with--USC undergrad degree who works in marketing-lost interest in me after fucking me slly sans condom for a weekend when she thought that I intended to live in my rental property that was not in the 949 area code.
The only women in America who are not materialistic are those that come from rich Socialist countries--Germany, Denmark, Sweeden, etc. Success and standard of living to these women is not measured by the size of the house, zeros in the bank acocunt, or horsepower of the car.
Just my two somme.
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Moms
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]The simple truth is this -
MILF's/Single Mothers are not popular anywhere. But less so in America because I believe and others have pointed out there is a shortage of attractive single women in America. They also have been empowered by feminism 2.0 and there's no longer a social stigma attached to being a single parent.
Men will date women with children but seldom will Women date men with children unless she's not interested in having children or can't have children.
That diffuses any debate about children with those women.
DH (Dickhead) has often expressed the advantages of Single Mothers and I agree. I haven't closed that door completely but I just rather start from a position of just being with my wife for a year or two, maybe travel a bit before we commit to having children.
After all I went to Europe with all four women being Single Mothers, not one of them was just a Single Women without children...
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What's wrong with casually dating single moms? I dated a few and found them not too different than childless women. I think someone else's family only comes into play if the relationship starts to get serious.
I would never marry a woman with a kid in her house unless I had my own brats too and did the brady bunch thing or if I was older and she was young and pretty.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I'm fresh off a one month stint in Southern California after mongering in Latin America for three weeks and came to the following conclusion about women in America (domestic and foreign born): Women who come from places where if you don't have money you don't eat are materislistic as all get up. This includes America. In fact, AW had the highest material expecations of all of the women I met in the OC which incuded a Latina and two EEs. This fine (and rather typical OC) American chick that my buddy and his wife hooked me up with--USC undergrad degree who works in marketing-lost interest in me after fucking me slly sans condom for a weekend when she thought that I intended to live in my rental property that was not in the 949 area code.
The only women in America who are not materialistic are those that come from rich Socialist countries--Germany, Denmark, Sweeden, etc. Success and standard of living to these women is not measured by the size of the house, zeros in the bank acocunt, or horsepower of the car.
Just my two somme.[/QUOTE]
I concur, this is my experience as well.
They simply don't ask. I should say that they only ask to make sure you're not a career criminal or something. If you work some type of service sector job, so be it.
She kicked you to the curb after she found out you weren't going to be living in Laguna Beach? Typical...
I still say most women that move to America as adults are not looking to move upmarket once they get here, unless you were so far downmarket that you lied about it.
I still believe that some Men not wanting to admit it, are married to Gold Digging EE, Colombian, etc women. As I said they won't admit it, so they won't talk about it. They are ashamed.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]What's wrong with casually dating single moms? I dated a few and found them not too different than childless women. I think someone else's family only comes into play if the relationship starts to get serious.
I would never marry a woman with a kid in her house unless I had my own brats too and did the brady bunch thing or if I was older and she was young and pretty.[/QUOTE]
Yep, only if she's younger (in Western Culture that's mid to late 20's) and pretty. If I'm playing Capt Save A Hoe and put on my cape, you better be good looking...
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The problem with being with a woman who has sombody else's child is almost never the woman or even the child, it's the babydaddy![/QUOTE]
To be honest that is a concern but has never come to fruition. Almost every woman I have known with children the father was no where in the child's life and in some cases never had seen them ever, ie: sperm donor.
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Single mommas
The advantage: Her time is fairly limited, so at first no spending too much time besidse the in-out, in-out.
The disadvantage: She'll complain about her ex and/or expect you to assume a role of responsibility in her household, such as spending time with the kids or footing a bill or two.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]What's wrong with casually dating single moms? I dated a few and found them not too different than childless women[/QUOTE]
Except with looser pussies, less money, less free time, and more screaming in the background, right?
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] I still say most women that move to America as adults are not looking to move upmarket once they get here[/QUOTE]
Study and research will convince you otherwise. It is the innately ambitious who emigrate, and those people remain relatively more ambitious than average after they do so. This partially explains why colonialism [i]can [u]sometimes[/u][/i] be an effective economic strategy since ambitious people tend to be economically successful, especially when grouped together with little regulation.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Except with looser pussies, less money, less free time, and more screaming in the background, right?[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I didn't notice the looseness of the pussy;in the USA they often have more money than single women because they have a house and an alimony check courtesey of their ex. while abroad the man is expected to pay for eveything anyway so the relevancy of the mom's pocket book is largely irrelevant;the kids were only an issue as it related to giving her enough notice to find a sitter; and yes, I was annoyed at the lil bugger in the background.
My comments were primarily directed at the casual date...if one were to marry or play house with one it's a different story.
DD
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I I still say most women that move to America as adults are not looking to move upmarket once they get here, unless you were so far downmarket that you lied about it.
I still believe that some Men not wanting to admit it, are married to Gold Digging EE, Colombian, etc women. As I said they won't admit it, so they won't talk about it. They are ashamed.[/QUOTE]
I’d have to agree with Dickhead. EEs and LA women are always looking to advance themselves and have little scruples about how they do so. And let’s be blunt: first generation post adolescent immigrants will never earn the good life in America through climbing the corporate ladder or making it in business. (You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). The one’s that bust their ass can do pretty good and live an average American life with a house, a car, etc, but they won’t be living large. Therefore, the only realistic chance they have to have a big house, nice Benz, designer clothes, and exotic vacations is to marry a man in the top 7% of all wage earners (192k+).
I agree with DJ that most American men don’t want to admit what they picked up at a Latin Affair on their 9 day marriage tour to Medellin. The only way to really know these broads is to live in their country, speak their language, and become intimate with their culture and community; most men will never have this opportunity.
Marrying a foreign woman already domiciled in America yields a much better chance of success than importing one. You should only import prime foreign punanny if you can afford to maintain it. And if you can afford to maintain it and are under 50 it makes no sense to import one because the domestic talent that is accessible to you equals the foreign talent.
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"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't!
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]"You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law)."
It depends how you define rich. You don't have to have any of the above to get a CPA license, just as an example, and that's worth about an extra million dollars in earnings over twenty years (as compared to just a bachelor's degreee in business administration).
So if you have a million dollars free and clear are you still rich in this day and age? PS I don't![/QUOTE]
Bro, as i wrote earlier,and as it pertains to pussy, i mean rich enough to sustain a lifestyle with a nice house, nice luxury car, nice (or more accurately deisgner) threads, and cool trips. In the OC or LA that means 250k a year..in places like Arkansas I think it would be less.
Maybe rich is not the correct term to employ here, but you need to be able to afford a lifestyle that these gold diggers demand or be near tone death to tune out the all the bitching that will come your way if you cant afford this shit oner. why do most marriages fail?...money.
I think if you have a million bucks in the bank and the feds are not sniffing around you are doing very good. ..you certainly are rich for the time that you have it in the bank.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy](You can only get rich in America if you have access to big money (family) or you do good, go to a top 15 school and a top 10 grad school, get a good job in finance, consulting, medicine, or corporate law). .[/QUOTE]
I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]I agree. America is a capitalistic rat race. 99% of the people do not understand there are a lot of other countries to live in that are better. Try explaining this to someone who has not traveled often, they cannot grasp this concept.[/QUOTE]
Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all. rich socialist countries are much better for the average lad than the USA is. Our economic oligarchy is only better suited for the small segment of folk that have the will and the means to get rich..immigrants are largely exploited like slaves....think of the mexicans picking fruit in california or the polish ladies on their hands and knees cleaning townhouses on the upper east side. in three generations this handicap disapears but grandpa and dad won't see the big payout.
this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]The advantage: Her time is fairly limited, so at first no spending too much time besidse the in-out, in-out.
The disadvantage: She'll complain about her ex and/or expect you to assume a role of responsibility in her household, such as spending time with the kids or footing a bill or two.[/QUOTE]
I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Our propganda machine sure is effective isn't it...the land of milk and honey for all.... this faustain gift allows average white dudes to travel to ukriane and marry a hot young thing only for her to drive him nuts when she learns that average in america is much more booring and just slightly better than average in her own country. Then 26 year old Natasha dumps 46 year old Joe and takes 1/2 his shit that he's worked hard and honest to accumulate all of his life.
Wives and oxen from your own cities, boys...[/QUOTE]
Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.[/QUOTE]
You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Though I was thinking more of Uruguay than Ukraine; but I have another advantage-to-be, in that I'm pulling my life together so I can live OCONUS. My civil-service pension may be modest by USA standards, but it would be [i]very[/i] comfortable, maybe even luxurious, in most of Latin America.
I was talking with "Bob," an expat who lives in the Puerto Plata area of the Dom Rep, and his story underlines this notion. He retired a few months ago, and moved from the New York City area to Puerto Plata; he has two sons who live back in NYC, and he was able to leave most of his "can't part with it" stuff with them. He rents a nicely furnished, two-bedroom villa with a skinny-dip-private swimming pool, for less than $1000 per month; he bought a motor-scooter instead of a car, to get around in town; he lives much as he would back home, but his costs of living are maybe 1/2 of "back-home". Which leaves him plenty of money for "play-time."
Bob has a lovely Dominicana girlfriend; would he bring her back to the States to live with him there? "Hell, no." He'd rather live in the Dom Rep, buzz down to the beach, hang out along the Malecon, enjoy his Endless Summer - and not have the drama of transplanting his "tropical flower" novia back to the cold, dirty, hectic, conspicuous-consumption, Wal-Mart atmosphere of the USA.
Remember that your lovely Ukrainian dyev or your sweet chica latina, transplanted to the USA, will soak up all the culture-features we bemoan in our American women. If you can manage to live in their country, I think you'll have more advantages living there than you'd have bringing them home.[/QUOTE]
I like to sum up this phenomena as follows:
When you take her out of Oz, Dorothy becomes just another Kansas farm girl with red shoes.
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In my case, I pay pennies on the dollar here in Bogota compared to NYC. As long as you don't do anything stupid like try to have a car here, it's really cheap to live. Can't say I miss Americans that much... at all....
It's not really all about the women for me. Plenty of countries with easier women than Colombia, but few or none with better QUALITY. Especially when the sex is done and you may want to strike up a conversation....
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]You have the right idea and I wish you happiness in your well deserved retirement. I think that retiring abroad makes sense on multiple fronts: your money goes a lot farther and you can find a decent young lady to look after your every desire.
of all the guys in Thailand, the retired are the most happy and content. A few items to note: living abroad can be a bit lonely...i like america and americans and miss them both. Finding a place with a decent expat community and access to western things is something to consider. I think if you went to a place like...Uruagay :)...you'd be bored outta your mind in no time.
Some of these places are not really that cheap. Bangkok is friggin expensive these days and by no means cheap....the only thing that's really cheaper are the women.[/QUOTE]
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I agree with this, and the leverage aspect..also you can date or have an arrangement with a mom separate from her life as a mom, she may not want the kids to become attached to a father figure who sooner or later will disappear. This is the situation with a special 28 yo I have in Lima, we have amazing chemistry like I've felt only a few times before in my life, and I'm actually keen on settling in to Lima next year partly so I can enjoy her company and regular access to her wet tight pussy (2 bebes and a tight pussy, yes it is possible!).
Basically her benefits are enjoying my company, she does seem to really care about me and have as much fun with me as I with her...and, well, enjoying occasional financial support when something "urgente" comes up, its amounted to a few hundred dollars or so over the past year, she is a secretary and money is always very tight. But if requests start to come too often or too much there will be a time to respond NO PUEDO. In the meantime I am off to Medellin tomorrow for turkey stuffing of a little different kind. She knows I am there to enjoy myself and meet "amigas" but is still setting aside vacation time just for us in January in Lima, it will be a nice change of pace to be sort of a serious novio for a few days. For sure all of it is better than the dry life here in northeast USA.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I dont know how things work in America, but I found that single moms are so happy to have a decent dude that they nag less and put up with more shit from a nice but philandering fellow than ones without kids do...if you are supporting her and her kids you have a lot of leverage.
in some countries its not uncommon to find a 22 year old women with a four year old kid...prime eye candy without all the hassle.[/QUOTE]
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I know some dudes get caught out and marry a ladder climber from any of the popular countries for this type of thing. You always have Winners and Losers, why focus solely on the Losers and then say I'm better off with first generation immigrant girl usually here one of three ways -
Divorced from Western Man, married less than 5 years in most cases.
Student here going to school, then applies to extend her time and also looking for a local so she can stay.
Here on a work visa usually working at a Amusement Park.
Often times men pick the best looking women and why not? But haven't you thought that the little head overrides the big one and all your thinking about is getting back inside that same pussy that drew you in like a moth to a flame?
Typical time from Meeting to K-1 - 9-10 months
As I said before some poor boob did found a girl, she delayed two or three different times before finally coming on K-1. When she landed she didn't kiss him and handed him her bag. It turned out to be a scam as she later claimed abuse and it was later found she had been involved with known Ukrainian mob type running scams on poor dudes just looking for companionship.
Not all K-1 relationships fail. Not all K-1 relationships are sexless.
Since the Government isn't really interested in keeping much data beyond who applies and who returns home, its way to hard to gasp the whole thing. Also many couples would like to keep in the shadows because of the social stigma to marrying a foreign women to start with.
I have done the Single Mother thing. Its okay, I rather go with a childless woman that wants to have children. That is becoming problematic with all women over 30. It must be some type of personal record but I don't understand how come I run into so many women that can't have children. This is likely the reason why they are over 30, still single and unmarried. That's too bad but the reality is most men want their own biological children firstly, adoption in the first place for many including myself is non-negotiable and a non-starter.
Besides I'm narrow casting somewhat, not every woman is going to be into me. Even if you add it up all, its going to dwarf how many women are interested in Caucasian me. Narrow casting I believe eliminates much of the foolishness that can happen. That still means I need to do a proper vetting process.
I also believe there are other tactics that can be used that might be crass to some but legitimate to me to prevent the Okie Doke.
Working on contract is key to giving myself to the time off to properly vet a woman. We'll see how that works out, I have a job lined up but its local. This is server company with all types of on-site perks but I doubt generous time off.
That's not to say I won't give the time of day to an attractive sub-30 single mother that lives in the US/Canada/Western Europe.
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A couple more thoughts
Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.
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[QUOTE=Vaquero]Of course, it depends on the situation of the single mother.
Best case scenario, she's a widow. From what I've seen and heard, widows treat their new husbands quite well, probably because they realize the brevity of life and may have regrets of not treating their deceased husbands as well as they could have.
The unfortunate truth is that our wars are creating a few more of these widows.
Worst case scenario, the single momma was sexually abused as a child, has been divorced a couple times and has cultivated an unwavering resentment of men, yet still needs them for reasons of stability.
And, of course, there's plenty of ground in between.
I actually don't mind kids. Just depends on the kids. Ultimately, they'll be your roommates, so who wants to deal with asshole kids?
In one relationship, I enjoyed hanging out with the kids, took the daughter to a doctor's appointment, taught the son about photography. Problem was that the mother was a psycho who'd been molested as a kid (which may have explained why was so good in the sack and liked buttfucking).
I will say that if that kid doesn't come from my loins, I'd be less than eager to pay for the college education or cars and all that.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense and I would agree with you.
If she's a Single Mother, I just rather have a woman with one child, fairly young (under 4) as well. The problem I'm running into here and in Europe is that the women are usually no more than 4-5 years younger than me. Once I'm in a better position to do this, I'm going to start asking women what's the difference between 35 and 40 in a man? Personally nothing that I can tell and I don't know what the concern is about 5 more years.
Anyway the majority of the women are over 30 and most by 35 are finished having children. There are some women over 35 that have never been married and have no children but want to have them. The problem with that is beyond 35 birth defects double, after 40 defects triple up to Menopause.
As I said because of my age and because Western Women generally don't tolerate large age gaps, its really becoming an issue with my selection process.
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[url]http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/new-paleolithic-mating.html[/url]
very interesting and food for thought....
BTW I see this happening in Colombia too... the reality when you LIVE HERE you find out it's no different... at least not in that regard... in short, if you think that women here are more faithful you're the biggest idiot ever, except for if you think that women here don't care about physical appearance or money in a man, then you'd be an even bigger idiot! Colombia and Venezuela are the biggest body-culture countries on the whole planet, which is why the women are so gorgeous here. But they are very picky about men as well!!!
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Foreign Girls
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I know some dudes get caught out and marry a ladder climber from any of the popular countries for this type of thing. You always have Winners and Losers, why focus solely on the Losers and then say I'm better off with first generation immigrant girl usually here one of three ways -
Divorced from Western Man, married less than 5 years in most cases.
Student here going to school, then applies to extend her time and also looking for a local so she can stay.
Here on a work visa usually working at a Amusement Park.
Often times men pick the best looking women and why not? But haven't you thought that the little head overrides the big one and all your thinking about is getting back inside that same pussy that drew you in like a moth to a flame?
Typical time from Meeting to K-1 - 9-10 months
That's not to say I won't give the time of day to an attractive sub-30 single mother that lives in the US/Canada/Western Europe.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I agree with you that we are letting the horror stories rule the day here. There are plenty of marriages that work between people from different countries.
The largest predictor of a successful long term reationship is similarity between the two people. For this reason, I think that inter cultural marriages are more likely to fail than intra cultural marriages...especially since most people are not afforded the opportunity to undertand a a foriegn mate's mentality and culture...but I wouldn't write off someome because of their passport. A math teacher in Kharkov and a science teacher in Bowling Green are likely more alike than we some may think.
Re: Students and Summer Workers
DJ, these girls are actually among the smartest and hard working young people in their native land. Being awarded a scholarship and navigating the work-study lambryinth are commendable feats. Targeting these girls without your shit together for a long term reationship is not advisable...they make great summer flings though.
I agree with you that the foreign women already in the US are ions above the shiftless whordes one finds in these women's native lands. I'd much rather date an EE already in the US than plucking one from her own country.
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[quote=bango cheito][url]http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/02/new-paleolithic-mating.html[/url]
very interesting and food for thought....
btw i see this happening in colombia too... the reality when you live here you find out it's no different... at least not in that regard... in short, if you think that women here are more faithful you're the biggest idiot ever, except for if you think that women here don't care about physical appearance or money in a man, then you'd be an even bigger idiot! colombia and venezuela are the biggest body-culture countries on the whole planet, which is why the women are so gorgeous here. but they are very picky about men as well!!![/quote]
dunno why this is a suprise. i just got back from fucking around in colombia and other parts of latin america and found the place to be very classist, materialistic, and superfical..kinda like southern california without the class element. i also observed how 95% of the gringos there are scraping the bottom of the xx chromosome barrel with who they are engaged with.
but i, as any many would, do appreciate the fact that the women place so much emphasis on looking good...and the fact that they latinas screw better than aw.
say, does the emphasis on looks also apply aftter marriage?
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Hi,
I agree with you that we are letting the horror stories rule the day here. There are plenty of marriages that work between people from different countries.
The largest predictor of a successful long term reationship is similarity between the two people. For this reason, I think that inter cultural marriages are more likely to fail than intra cultural marriages...especially since most people are not afforded the opportunity to undertand a a foriegn mate's mentality and culture...but I wouldn't write off someome because of their passport. A math teacher in Kharkov and a science teacher in Bowling Green are likely more alike than we some may think.
Re: Students and Summer Workers
DJ, these girls are actually among the smartest and hard working young people in their native land. Being awarded a scholarship and navigating the work-study lambryinth are commendable feats. Targeting these girls without your shit together for a long term reationship is not advisable...they make great summer flings though.
I agree with you that the foreign women already in the US are ions above the shiftless whordes one finds in these women's native lands. I'd much rather date an EE already in the US than plucking one from her own country.[/QUOTE]
"Just Visiting" vs Home Grown
Actually I think its more of a convenience factor that has some men who love EE, SE Asian or South American Women looking for these women closer to home. Problem is most of them don't end up in major metropolitan areas if that's where you live. I've seen more than a few visiting European women in Hollywood area hostels. But as you said many of these women are ambitious and put profiles on US based web sites looking for men.
Popular Web Sites like Elena's Models have a section with women in the US in it. I've been contacted by a woman that lives in Conn. Again I'm in no position to do anything about it, so I haven't contacted her back and its likely a missed opportunity.
That's why I'm becoming frustrated and very much looking forward to finishing my classes. I also might be working for a server company in tech support, so we'll see.
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[quote=dirkdingy]dunno why this is a suprise. i just got back from fucking around in colombia and other parts of latin america and found the place to be very classist, materialistic, and superfical..kinda like southern california without the class element. i also observed how 95% of the gringos there are scraping the bottom of the xx chromosome barrel with who they are engaged with.
but i, as any many would, do appreciate the fact that the women place so much emphasis on looking good...and the fact that they latinas screw better than aw.
say, does the emphasis on looks also apply aftter marriage?[/quote]
it never stops, but i fail to see what marriage has to do with having sex with somebody ;)
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Very materialistic
BC, fully agree that latinas are extremely materialistic, and that Latin America has a very class conscious structure that almost never gets much talked about in the North American press. Given this constrictions, and the lack of a social welfare network as we have, it is no surprise that the single moms down there (I haven't met too many that have NOT been knocked up at 15), latch on to a guy, and especially a gringo, that can provide at least some of the material comforts that they will see in the high end malls in MDE that they can only dream about owning some day.
Here in Canada, for the most part, single moms are verboten. No guy in his right mind who is not hovering close to bankruptcy would want to get within 10 ft of them. That is due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs. In the end, this stuff hurts the mom far more than the guy, as she is stuck alone forever, and we can buzz off around the world
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[QUOTE=Furysys]
Here in Canada...due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs...[/QUOTE]
Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.
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[QUOTE=Yogin]Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.[/QUOTE]In the US, especially in Kalifornia, it is called "Best Interests." If the man had developed *any* type of relationship with the kid/children, or if they refer to him as "Daddy, Dad, Papa, whatever, it can easily be ruled that continued support from the de-facto dad (that means: YOU!) is in the "best interests" of the child. Congrats, you're now on the hook till the kid is 18 and a high school graduate or 19, which ever comes first.
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[QUOTE=Furysys]BC, fully agree that latinas are extremely materialistic, and that Latin America has a very class conscious structure that almost never gets much talked about in the North American press. Given this constrictions, and the lack of a social welfare network as we have, it is no surprise that the single moms down there (I haven't met too many that have NOT been knocked up at 15), latch on to a guy, and especially a gringo, that can provide at least some of the material comforts that they will see in the high end malls in MDE that they can only dream about owning some day.
Here in Canada, for the most part, single moms are verboten. No guy in his right mind who is not hovering close to bankruptcy would want to get within 10 ft of them. That is due to our lovely judicial system, which basically says that if a guy is willing to help out a single mom, he can be stuck with support payments for the next 20 yrs. In the end, this stuff hurts the mom far more than the guy, as she is stuck alone forever, and we can buzz off around the world[/QUOTE]
Here in Colombia they have food stamps, housing projects, old age pensions, community kitchens, meals on wheels, and socialized (two-tier) medicine.... the social safety net here and now in 2010 is actually wider and stronger than it is in most parts of the US actually...
I'm just saying, if you're not physically gorgeous and a woman digs you here in Colombia, BE AWARE that it's for your money, and act accordingly. Especially if your Spanish is less than perfect (especially including local slang), you can't name the past 5-6 presidents here, you don't dance on the same level as the locals etc. ..... be honest with yourself and your real place in the universe, because if not, Colombian women will chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves.....they do it even to locals all the time....
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Extremely well Written
[QUOTE=Kattt]I think that the problem with American women is that they feel a sense of entitlement. They want to be equals to men (which is great, I think that most men would agree that the sexes should be equal).
At the same time, they feel that they're entitled to the advantages that they've enjoyed as women. There are a large number of women who still aspire to be stay-at-home wives who live off of their husband's earnings without working. Women still want to be pampered and showered with gifts and lavish dinners. They still want to receive alimony from men after divorces. They still want to maintain custody preference, and rake in large child-support payments after divorce.
In essence, they feel that they're entitled to more than men are entitled to, and it shows in many of their attitudes. It's like their entire dating philosophy consists of finding out how much they can get out of a relationship while putting in as little as possible, and sex is a major bargaining chip that they use to maintain that balance. This is why many of them see sex workers in such a negative light. It is a direct threat to their control of relationships. If men are able to pay for sex, women will lose some of their bargaining power, and will have to put more effort into relationships while not getting as many benefits.
Perhaps this view is cynical, but it's based on my past experiences with american women.[/QUOTE]If I had to write something about this topic, I would have written exactly the same!
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Bc
did we ever meet in a prior life or something?? That is EXACTLY what I say about Canadian 'hoes, "chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves", although sometimes I say "dogs".
I read the article you posted, it makes the very salient point that pretty much all NA women up to about 35 or so, want and expect the impossible. What always gets me is they have NOTHING! For example, I am well travelled, have a business, university education, and other stuff...they have done nothing in their pathetic lives, but have an everchanging laundry list of expectations. All of a sudden, they are 35, with nothing and panic. Too bad, too late honey. The article does not define beta men vs alpha men, but the description of the nice, hardworking guy that always gets the shaft is true enough...
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can't believe this
I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks!
[QUOTE=Yogin]Exact same thing in the US. There is now ample court precedent that has established that if a guy helps out a single mom for a length of time (usually over a year), he can be forced to pay child support for a kid who is not his. If he refuses to pay, he faces wage garnishment, liens, losing driver license, and jail.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Furysys]did we ever meet in a prior life or something?? That is EXACTLY what I say about Canadian 'hoes, "chew you up, spit you out and throw your bones to the wolves", although sometimes I say "dogs".
I read the article you posted, it makes the very salient point that pretty much all NA women up to about 35 or so, want and expect the impossible. What always gets me is they have NOTHING! For example, I am well travelled, have a business, university education, and other stuff...they have done nothing in their pathetic lives, but have an everchanging laundry list of expectations. All of a sudden, they are 35, with nothing and panic. Too bad, too late honey. The article does not define beta men vs alpha men, but the description of the nice, hardworking guy that always gets the shaft is true enough...[/QUOTE]
Read "Brave New World"... that's where the expressions come from.... beta, alpha, etc.
Funny thing, back in 1997 I was at the point of moving to NYC from Toronto, and there was this whole influx of Colombians who got granted visas to come to Canada, either as refugees (bogus 999 times out of 1000 or more), or on the demographic program because Canada is an aging childness nation :P... I was obviously a lot younger back then, in great shape, good looking, intelligent, even already spoke pretty decent Spanish... the girl was a friend of one of my best friend's wife... and she's sitting her bitching in front of me about how they're supposed to be in Canada to set up young families and she can't find a man, I'm thinking to myself "ignorant fucking *****, I'M RIGHT HERE, why are you talking about this like as if I don't even exist" she probably already had me disqualified because I didn't have much money :P in that sense people really are all the same all over...
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Court cases
Mr. Oh ya Papi, this is absolutely true, there are many cases about this. In fact, in Canada there was a case two years ago where a same-sex couple, the dyke was stuck paying child support! She had kicked out her live-in gf, who had had some kid with a guy four years earlier, sued for support and got it. Courts, another world!
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Gotta have finance for romance
I'll readily agree that women all around the world are materialistic. I think if I were forced to make a generalization, it would be that women from more rural areas might be less needy in that regard, no matter their ethnicity.
I think it's also worth getting a woman who's also at least moderately athletic, because when they get exercise they may be less likely to run amok with their emotions.
I've only dated a couple of Latin women. Though they're just as materialistic, they can often be more feminine than average American women. And by that, I don't mean from just a physical standpoint. I think often they have a little more grace to their presence.
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[QUOTE=Furysys]Mr. Oh ya Papi, this is absolutely true, there are many cases about this. In fact, in Canada there was a case two years ago where a same-sex couple, the dyke was stuck paying child support! She had kicked out her live-in gf, who had had some kid with a guy four years earlier, sued for support and got it. Courts, another world![/QUOTE]I believe he was talking about in the USA not Canada. While that maybe the law in Canada. It does not exist as yet in the USA.
In the USA Child support responsibility never is transfered to another man unless he legally adopts or becomes the childs legal guardian. In either case he is making the choice to take on that responsibility.
I know guys in the USA who have married women with kids and divorced them and they do not pay child support.
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[QUOTE=Bronsonator]In the US, especially in Kalifornia, it is called "Best Interests." If the man had developed *any* type of relationship with the kid/children, or if they refer to him as "Daddy, Dad, Papa, whatever, it can easily be ruled that continued support from the de-facto dad (that means: YOU!) is in the "best interests" of the child. Congrats, you're now on the hook till the kid is 18 and a high school graduate or 19, which ever comes first.[/QUOTE]
This is very disconcerting.
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[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi]I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
Sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks![/QUOTE]Read this, although its UK, but its probably similar to USA:
[url]http://www.answerology.com/index.aspx/question/2884783_She-wants-child-support-and-Im-not-even-the-father.html[/url]
"She wants child support and I'm not even the father"
Before I met my ex-GF I was always good with money, I made investments and had savings. I met her, she was a single mom with a 2 year old boy. I fell in love with her and after 1 year we moved into a new place together.
4 years later (5 if you include the 1st year of dating) things weren't working out and we decided to end out relationship. I sold the house and gave her half even though she didn't contribute to the house or bills due to being a student, but as she had a kid I thought it was the right thing to do was give her half.
I havent seen either of them in a year, the kids now 8 years old and she has filed for child support for her boy.....the boy isn't mine, he doesn't call me dad, and we were never engaged or married, only living together.
The lawyer claims by me living with them I took on the parental role, I agree to a point, I did look after him, take him to school etc but only to help out my ex-GF, not to be his daddy. The reason she moved in to a new house was because she had nowhere else to go and it only made sense at that time to move in.
The biological father is some immigrant who the boy calls dad and only sees him once a month, he is not permitted to work by the law but he does in a Chinese shop illegally and did give a little money to his kid, he is seeking to live in this country legally. I live in the UK but I think this also applies to the US too. There is no law saying I take on the responsibilty for someone elses kid for the rest of my life, but its a decision of the court, if I appeal I take it to the European court, and the coursts always favour the child.
It's crazy to think because I live with a woman for 4 years that I then am then financially responsible for her kid until he is an adult....If I knew I'd end up becoming Uncle ATM I'd never have got involed....another reason to not date single moms!
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Here for common law marriage in the USA. BOTH parties MUST present themselves as HUSBAND AND WIFE to the public. So it has to have been mutially decided, not just because you live together.
Callifornia does not recognize common law marriages. So who ever stated that was just plain wrong.
Common-law marriage is not as common as many people believe. Living together does not mean you have a common-law marriage. There are strict requirements that have to be met for common-law marriages to be considered valid.
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[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi; 1100137]I tried to research this, do not think it is true.
Sounds ridiculous, please post some facts and a website or two thanks! [/QUOTE]In California?
[url]http://www.cadivorce.com/divorce-news/common-law-marriage-myths/[/url]
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D Cups' American Lament
It's no wonder why I put all my energy (and money) into foreign affairs. I asked an American woman who is a hot MILF, to go to a company Christmas dinner party at a real nice Country Club. She agreed but wants to meet me there and leave right after the party (so no pussy for me). Mind you, I am a nice-looking professional man of reasonable intelligence and income (and a high libido).
No wonder the divorce rate is so high in America and their married men are miserable. I may never date an American woman again.
Instead I save my energy and money for the younger, sexier, easier, cheaper, lighter foreign equivalents. In 2011 I have the good fortune of traveling to Curacao, Asia and Europe, all on business. You can be sure I will find and bang the biggest boobs available. Now that I know how to post photos I will share them with my fellow mongers as a source of motivation and celebration of our hobby.
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[QUOTE=Phil;6351]The American Woman is a monster that the American Man CREATED!![/QUOTE]1000% correct and we've not learned a damn thing yet.
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Amen Brother! I am done, done, done! Been married 3 times here, I have had enough! I have my fun and my women now in Asia where my women treat me like a gentleman and I treat them like the true ladies they are! How did USA women ever come to be as f'd up as they are now? I look at women here and just shake my head, they have NO CLUE how women in the rest of world act, dress, talk and have wonderful sex like a REAL woman should.
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1101240]Yes, Katt, the Captain is spot on! Fly away and be free to f* the real beauties of the world!
Eventually American Women will come to realize their pussies have no value in the world economy! [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=D Cups; 1101238]It's no wonder why I put all my energy (and money) into foreign affairs. I asked an American woman who is a hot MILF, to go to a company Christmas dinner party at a real nice Country Club. She agreed but wants to meet me there and leave right after the party (so no pussy for me). Mind you, I am a nice-looking professional man of reasonable intelligence and income (and a high libido).
No wonder the divorce rate is so high in America and their married men are miserable. I may never date an American woman again.
Instead I save my energy and money for the younger, sexier, easier, cheaper, lighter foreign equivalents. In 2011 I have the good fortune of traveling to Curacao, Asia and Europe, all on business. You can be sure I will find and bang the biggest boobs available. Now that I know how to post photos I will share them with my fellow mongers as a source of motivation and celebration of our hobby. [/QUOTE]Goood luck and happy hunting. Short term trips abroad-espcially on someone else's dime- are initially very exciting.
May I offer a suggestion to you. I have recently used a number of sugar daddy sites in the USA and Canada with good result. The arrangements vary and some of the women are psychos, but I have met two gilrs that are definite keepers: a recent former Miss State runner-up and a 25 yo recently divorced hottie that is a bit lost emotionaly and financially. I take the (almost) beauty queen shopping and on trips and I help the other one with bills. In exchange I get the privaleges of very beautiful AW. These women are much more preferable than the EE peseants that I normally sponsor and they have-or are getting-American passports so they can travel with me when on assignment. Fellow road warrios know the hassles of bringing 2nd world passport on business trips.
If you decide to take this route, stay away from the big city girls unless you also live in the same city and remember to be a gentleman. It's also important to be very honest and blunt about your expecations early on. It's odd speaking to an AW this way, but it must be done. . I think you'll be very happy if you try this route.
I still monger a bit, but am finding that the need to do so diminshes as I spend more time in the West and I feel secure enough to live the livestyle that my income affords me.
If you are a man that makes over 250k a year in a big city and over 120k in the midwest, there really is no need to travel to 2nd world shitholes to chase impoversihed pussy unless you truly are an unattractive bloke. The women in the West will chase you if you play your cards right. Even guys that are around 50 can date women in their late 20s on these sites.
It's sad to say, but America is rapidly declining and the rift between the haves and have nots is exploding and AW are becomming almost EE and LA like in their behaivor. These sugar daddy sites are a hare's breath from prostitution or P4P portals.
Just my two lei.
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I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.
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You mean there or here?
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1101677]I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.[/QUOTE]I will take Miami over MDE any day for Latinas. Any day. I spent time in each recently and there is really no comparison per capita. But MDE and Bog offer much better values for your money.
I saw many hot Colombian girls in Bogota, a few in MDE, and almost none in CTG. I think that you have a hard time finding decent AW because you need more than 3k a month to attract the best ones; for that matter, you need more than 3k in Col. But if you look really good you can often fuck nice looking girls once or twice.
Once a hot Col gal figures out that you are not a rich expat or have an important job in their eyes, like working for the Embassy or a multinational, you will be discarded.
Not pc to say: but most 2nd world people lie and are not as smart as 1st world people are. The one's that don't are upper crust and they don't socilaize with average gringos. Just my two pesos.
Of course, YMMV. I have met some amazing LA chicks and found them to be the definition of feminity, but they have all been in Spain, at upperend but still commercial nite clubs, ar at US universities and were largely inaccessible to me.
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I agree
[QUOTE=DirkDingy; 1101667]It's sad to say, but America is rapidly declining and the rift between the haves and have nots is exploding and AW are becomming almost EE and LA like in their behaivor. These sugar daddy sites are a hare's breath from prostitution or P4P portals.
Just my two lei. [/QUOTE]I agree with this 100 percent. I've been working in Asia for the last two years and have come back to the States for the holidays. I can't believe how fucked up this country has become. I don't think people realize how shitty the economy is here. What's funny is that I'm looking around when I go out and I'm seeing better looking women than I have ever seen before in the USA I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or the poor economy or what, but there are some hotties here where I currently am in California; especially the younger black and hispanic chicks.
I've been scanning some domestic p4p websites as well and the quality looks good overall. Even the prices appear fairly reasonable; quickies seem to be going from 60-80 USD. The only thing is, the prostitution laws in this country are still fairly draconian. They need to just get it over with and legalize it already; same with drugs for that matter. It's going to happen sooner or later anyway.
Off topic, but speaking of cheap domestic prices, have you guys seen the real estate prices in this country? I'm thinking about buying and realizing you can get very nice condos in inland California for 30-50K! Amazing deals out there, was joking with my Realtor that they're cheaper than some cars, he joked that you could put them on your credit card!
Some interesting times we're living in right now.
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Yups
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1101697]I agree with this 100 percent. I've been working in Asia for the last two years and have come back to the States for the holidays. I can't believe how fucked up this country has become. I don't think people realize how shitty the economy is here. What's funny is that I'm looking around when I go out and I'm seeing better looking women than I have ever seen before in the USA I don't know if it's because I'm getting older or the poor economy or what, but there are some hotties here where I currently am in California; especially the younger black and hispanic chicks.
I've been scanning some domestic p4p websites as well and the quality looks good overall. Even the prices appear fairly reasonable; quickies seem to be going from 60-80 USD. The only thing is, the prostitution laws in this country are still fairly draconian. They need to just get it over with and legalize it already; same with drugs for that matter. It's going to happen sooner or later anyway.
Off topic, but speaking of cheap domestic prices, have you guys seen the real estate prices in this country? I'm thinking about buying and realizing you can get very nice condos in inland California for 30-50K! Amazing deals out there, was joking with my Realtor that they're cheaper than some cars, he joked that you could put them on your credit card!
Some interesting times we're living in right now. [/QUOTE]RE is Vegas and the IE is startling cheap. I bought a few rental properties in Veas and in the IE where my down payment was less than a weekend of whoring is for the Vegas condos.
It's very sad to see America declining the way it is. Many people have a hard time just making ends meet. You are right about the repricussions for solicitation in America. That's why I never monger in America, too much too loose.
Dude, take a look at the sugar daddy sites, it's damn near prostitution and you can get nice above girls on there for about 500 a month.
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Expats get no respect from AW or FW
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1101677]I'd have a hard time finding any girl in the US beauty queen or no as attractive smart and put together as the AVERAGE Colombian woman.[/QUOTE]Another problem that you have, and I also suffer from this too is that expats get very little respect; people just don't understand the deal. Women value stability above all else and they don't think that an expat will provide this. Remember, the first thing that a woman sees in a man is: does he have a job, does he have a a good job, and will he be around long enough for me to take advantage of a job. In essence, women want the power to control, trap, and exploit your resources.
Also in the 2nd an 3rd world people who go aborad to work do so because they can't get a job in their own country-or at least that's what they think. Americans are the most unworldy 1st world people in existance and don't understand why someone would want to live anywhere outside of a few miles from there they were born. I read somewhere that over 70% of Americans live and die within 60 miles of their birthplace. I worked domesticaly for six montths for my firm in the healthcare division and it was fucking boring. Living in hotels in places like Mankato, MN for six weeks where the highlight of their week is Friday nght at Applebees. Good people, but not my gig. Fuck it, send me to Falllujah where I can get some action.
This is short-sighted, because if one can has money you can reallly live luxurious and get whatever you want in most everywhere, although getting shit done in the second and thrid world is horribly ineffecient and time consuming. Try standing in line for four hours to pay a phone bill.
Women want to see a house, a car, and job. The better each of the aforementioned are the more attractive you will be.
For an unaffilaited expat people don't really take you seriously. In either the host country or your native country. You are like an interesting gourmet food. Fun to taste from time to time but not a serious part of the diet.
I am an affiliated expat, but I am still messed up and obviously insecure with a chip on my shoulder at times because my classmates think I am just fucking around and have gone off the deep end and my mum keeps imploring me to get a "real job in NYC." Most people just can't understand what people like me do. American and most all foriegn women can't comprehend why I spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan unless I am an unemployable fuck up. They don't get that I made between 800 and 1000 USD per day largely tax free with no expenses and vacation every six weeks to go whereever I want. Not to mention getting to do really cool shit to boot. Even my own mother doesn't believe that budget, level of authority, and newsworthy shit that I did at 25.
People pigeon hole and stereotype and if they are unfamilair with something they shun it and ostracize it. AW are the worst of the 1st world people in this regard while Western Europeans understand what institutions like the World Bank and Asian Development Bank do.
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair.
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They want stability
I was just on Facebook not long ago and saw a photo of a girl I knew in high school. She went from a geek to a hottie, but after a little dabbling in cocaine and a failed marriage, she moved back to a town of maybe 400 to live in a trailer and raise her son by her folks' place. I think she's an assistant at a hospital now.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Doesn't have a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in.
I remember years ago, I was in the area visiting my father, and her eyes lit up when she saw me at the community pool. But what I thought was innocent conversation was really a job interview to her. Ultimately, she broke off a date when she realized I planned on moving around more. Too bad she couldn't just throw a little nookie my way for the sake of enjoying life. But she did recently request me as a Facebook friend, which means she basically wants to spy.
After a certain age, some women must view fucking new guys as putting city mileage on a car. They want to keep that vagina in mint condition to get the right guy on the lot. They don't want to diminish the blue book value.
It may be worth noting that I spent my formative years in a small town, but I've moved around quite a bit. It's not small towns that drive me crazy. It's the soulless suburbs, where people lack a true connection to the land and culture is largely defined by retail. Blah, blah, blah.
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Got some bad news for you
[QUOTE=Vaquero; 1101767]After a certain age, some women must view fucking new guys as putting city mileage on a car. They want to keep that vagina in mint condition to get the right guy on the lot. They don't want to diminish the blue book value.
[/QUOTE]I have some bad news bud. After a certain age they just don't want to start the car let alone put milage on it.
In my own case my wifes pussy must be but be like a mint Rolls Royce sitting in the garage.
I know its a genuine Rolls because that is the price I paid.
It been sitting in the garage and hasn't turned a fucking mile in nearly 10 years.
Just no intrested.
So. Fuck it I moved camp to South America (Peru) and now get all the pussy I can handle and then some.
Sly
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So sad, Sly
I may offend some folks here, but I was talking on the phone this morning to a buddy of mine in New York. He put his wife on the phone, and she told me since I'm single and 40, it's time for me to settle down.
She's Jewish and noted that she knew some nice Jewish girls she could hook me up with. And I was thinking, wow, the main dudes I've heard complain about lack of nookie had Jewish wives.
And I was also considering how my buddy, a Colombian, routinely fucks around on his wife.
Just got back from a date with a transplanted Filipina met via match. Com. She's kind of short and trim. After I paid for lunch, she texted to let me know she didn't feel a connection. After one date.
But the truth is, she volunteered that she hates working and doesn't like exercise, and I'm sort of the opposite.
If she'd gone out again with me, she might have felt my mouth connect to her pussy. So I texted her back and let her know I'm also available for flings."Feel free to call anytime," I wrote.
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A 58yr+ old freaky woman from California once told me, learn how to tease and lick a woman's pussy to orgasm and she'll give you all the pussy you'll ever want. I've experimented with this and it works! She says lot's of American guys are completely clueless when it comes to oral sex.
[QUOTE=Sly One; 1101775]I have some bad news bud. After a certain age they just don't want to start the car let alone put milage on it.
In my own case my wifes pussy must be but be like a mint Rolls Royce sitting in the garage.
I know its a genuine Rolls because that is the price I paid.
It been sitting in the garage and hasn't turned a fucking mile in nearly 10 years.
Just no intrested.
So. Fuck it I moved camp to South America (Peru) and now get all the pussy I can handle and then some.
Sly[/QUOTE]
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So True.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy;1101723]...A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning...[/QUOTE]That's fucking depressing.
-Helpmann
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy; 1101685]I will take Miami over MDE any day for Latinas. Any day. I spent time in each recently and there is really no comparison per capita. But MDE and Bog offer much better values for your money.
I saw many hot Colombian girls in Bogota, a few in MDE, and almost none in CTG. I think that you have a hard time finding decent AW because you need more than 3k a month to attract the best ones; for that matter, you need more than 3k in Col. But if you look really good you can often fuck nice looking girls once or twice.
Once a hot Col gal figures out that you are not a rich expat or have an important job in their eyes, like working for the Embassy or a multinational, you will be discarded.
Not pc to say: but most 2nd world people lie and are not as smart as 1st world people are. The one's that don't are upper crust and they don't socilaize with average gringos. Just my two pesos.
Of course, YMMV. I have met some amazing LA chicks and found them to be the definition of feminity, but they have all been in Spain, at upperend but still commercial nite clubs, ar at US universities and were largely inaccessible to me. [/QUOTE]Miami for me for some damn reason is an easy place to get laid in, NYC isn't bad either, here it's harder, for some of the reasons you mention, but when it does work out it's much more rewarding, Colombian women are better looking IMO, more feminine, more interesting and MUCH MUCH MUCH better in bed. Women in North America go to bed with you faster but aren't as good at it and they have way more limits in the sack. Which pisses me off and makes me wonder why I bothered.
There are a lot of gold-digging women anywhere in the world, they certainly exist here. I just ignore them completely, they are a horrible deal compared to p4p, we should all know that! Colombia SHINES when it comes to p4p... tons of variety and availablity, cheap, safe, clean, convenient, EVERYWHERE. I run a mix of about 50% p4p and 50% regular girls... I dunno if I'll ever find another woman I trust again. The ones I trusted I shouldn't have anyways :P
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy; 1101667]I still monger a bit, but am finding that the need to do so diminshes as I spend more time in the West and I feel secure enough to live the livestyle that my income affords me.
If you are a man that makes over 250k a year in a big city and over 120k in the midwest, there really is no need to travel to 2nd world shitholes to chase impoversihed pussy unless you truly are an unattractive bloke. The women in the West will chase you if you play your cards right. Even guys that are around 50 can date women in their late 20s on these sites.
[/QUOTE]Dirk, agree with about 90% of all your posts below, good stuff. My problem with AW is no matter how much I make I do not think I would voluntarily choose to live there. The culture, the food, the laws.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy;1101667]A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.[/QUOTE]What about regular dating sites? The girls that I have had the best relationships while traveling were from dating sites or 'normal' pickups. Women from other countries are more real to me then all the BS that comes with an AW.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy; 1101723]Another problem that you have, and I also suffer from this too is that expats get very little respect; people just don't understand the deal. Women value stability above all else and they don't think that an expat will provide this. Remember, the first thing that a woman sees in a man is: does he have a job, does he have a a good job, and will he be around long enough for me to take advantage of a job. In essence, women want the power to control, trap, and exploit your resources.
Also in the 2nd an 3rd world people who go aborad to work do so because they can't get a job in their own country-or at least that's what they think. Americans are the most unworldy 1st world people in existance and don't understand why someone would want to live anywhere outside of a few miles from there they were born. I read somewhere that over 70% of Americans live and die within 60 miles of their birthplace. I worked domesticaly for six montths for my firm in the healthcare division and it was fucking boring. Living in hotels in places like Mankato, MN for six weeks where the highlight of their week is Friday nght at Applebees. Good people, but not my gig. Fuck it, send me to Falllujah where I can get some action.
This is short-sighted, because if one can has money you can reallly live luxurious and get whatever you want in most everywhere, although getting shit done in the second and thrid world is horribly ineffecient and time consuming. Try standing in line for four hours to pay a phone bill.
Women want to see a house, a car, and job. The better each of the aforementioned are the more attractive you will be.
For an unaffilaited expat people don't really take you seriously. In either the host country or your native country. You are like an interesting gourmet food. Fun to taste from time to time but not a serious part of the diet.
I am an affiliated expat, but I am still messed up and obviously insecure with a chip on my shoulder at times because my classmates think I am just fucking around and have gone off the deep end and my mum keeps imploring me to get a "real job in NYC." Most people just can't understand what people like me do. American and most all foriegn women can't comprehend why I spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan unless I am an unemployable fuck up. They don't get that I made between 800 and 1000 USD per day largely tax free with no expenses and vacation every six weeks to go whereever I want. Not to mention getting to do really cool shit to boot. Even my own mother doesn't believe that budget, level of authority, and newsworthy shit that I did at 25.
People pigeon hole and stereotype and if they are unfamilair with something they shun it and ostracize it. AW are the worst of the 1st world people in this regard while Western Europeans understand what institutions like the World Bank and Asian Development Bank do.
A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair. [/QUOTE]Hello, DirkDingy,
A man like you should have incredible success with French women. They love the kind of man you are.
Regards.
B. B.
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Things have changed
I agree with what the posters say about women in L.A. – especially Colombia – as there is also some truth about what is being said with regards to hooking-up with AW. Although, IMHO, it does take up a lot more time, energy, money and bravado than what it would in other places (including Miami). However, don’t be misled about hooking up with women in Latin America either because the truth of the matter is that things have also changed over there – BIG TIME! Bango Cheito is right about the women down there chewing the bad boy locals (and chumps) and then feeding their bones to the wolves. The women down there (as in many other L.A. countries) have quickly become and are even more so faster becoming alike AW. Yep, you can’t deny that either. I understand that we also get older and things change and/or stop being like they were back a few years ago. But still!!
I just got back to Miami from living in MDE for 14 months a few weeks ago and I can attest to the B.S. that takes place down there. As it is, Paisas (Medellin women) are among the most difficult, complicated and hard-to-get bunch in Colombia. They are also among the most beautiful and drop-dead goregeous. So go figure! I’m not saying that they are the only ones that are like that, but there’s also no denying that they steadily hold on to their drama queen and AW-like titles like no other Colombiana does. Luckily, MDE is not the only mongering destination in Colombia. From my experience, chicas that cost you a good $80K+ in MDE to bang P4P status for a short while, you can find in other cities for a fraction of that amount. Why people go exclusively to MDE and pay top dollars for the same paisas – who travel to work at other cities to cool off and lay low – and yet one can have for literally pennies on the dollar in other cities? Is beyond me. But that is a discussion for another forum.
What I want to say is to not be misled into believing that you can go to Colombia and easily find your soul mate or your future significant other with relative ease. You can practically forget about that and go back to dreaming. Women down there (and this is also said by the locals down there) are exclusively after $$$$$. And lots of it too. Even if you’re gorgeous and bear a Mark Walhberg six pack – it’s still about the money to them. Only the jerks and losers can’t get enough of them. So, thinking about (and I know that I am also generalizing a lot over here…) things there are almost on a parallel to those here in Sex Prison as well.
Honestly, I don’t feel that I can trust women in Colombia (or Venezuela or Ecuador for that matter as well). You can speak the slang, dance like a local, look like a local and come off as a local – but if you’re not the gangster, celebrity, ubber-high class, or losser/ jerk type – it’s real hard to find any chica whatsoever. The decent ones are really hard to find (and get) and they are still, like the rest of them, after the money or probably also chasing after the American Dream. In fact, they don’t really care too much now-a-days if you go there from here or not. I have seen many a local girl prefer the loser local guy over someone visiting from another country who could’ve been a better prospect to begin with.
Go down there and have fun. Hook up with as many as you can (if you can). But know – and don’t lose sight of ever knowing – that it is all about the money. Maybe you can find a diamond in the rough or a needle in the haystack as an exception – but hey, the same thing can happen here in Sex Prison too. Coming to think of it, the best route to go is strictly P4P and then if you can score with a regular, non-pro, decent girl – then all the power to you. But please don’t go there thinking that you’re a maverick and you’re too cool and that these girls are so into you. Past a certain point, the allure of a gringo is still there for them (even with fake gringos like me) but not enough to really get you anywhere except for paying for their stuff, a U.S. visa, and being taken for a walking ATM. Sounds similar to a familiar place? Yup, that’s right!!
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Halfway there
I have completed the first of my two four-month tours in SP and would rate it successful. I just worked real hard and then drank beer and smoked really good weed every night. I fucked three AWs during this time, all from in and around my apt building with zero effort. None were any good although none was terrible. None could be withstood for more than an hour and none had any meaningful education or career. I saved about $20, 000 but I will blow $5, 000 of that between Argentina over Christmas and Costa Rica over spring break. So if I can save another $15, 000 (I won't make as much on tour #2 because I won't be working as hard) I can return to Argentina in May at the end of the second tour with $30, 000 and I can live on that pretty good for a year.
The US wasn't as bad as it could have been. Prices are low, at least. But the women are just not cute or sexy or feminine or ANY of those things. Especially here where it is earth muffin central.
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Returning from Brazil last Wednesday. Via Houston. On flight to EWR, woman across the aisle was reading a book. The title: Toxic Bachelors.
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It's not even about money all the time here in Colombia, often it's just about power games and taking advantage of one another emotionally.
Anyways, all that bullshit about nice women who just want to settle down is just that, bullshit. Human beings are NOT a monogamous species, I dunno why the fuck we think we need to fool ourselves on that one. We need to accept ourselves for who we really are.
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The difference between Guts and Balls.
There is a medical distinction between Guts and Balls. We have all heard about people having guts or balls, but do you really know the difference between them.
[QUOTE]In an effort to keep you informed the definitions are listed below:
Guts is arriving home late after a night out with the guys, being met by your American wife with a broom, and having the guts to ask: Are you still cleaning or are you freaking flying somewhere?
Balls- is coming home late after a night out with the guys, smelling of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your American wife on the ass and having the balls to say; you are next Chubby.
I hope this clears up any confusion on the definitions.
Medically speaking there is no difference in the outcome.
Both result in a swift death![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=D Cups; 1103287]Good one, Ajax.
Has anyone noticed that dating sites in America are filled with ridiculous, absurd lists with.
Very specific requirements from particularly fat and ugly women? Old hags.
In contrast, women who post on Filipino dating sites are almost always describe themselves as simple and loving.
Just an observation. DIA and Cherry Blossums[/QUOTE]I've met a few women from American dating sites, in reality they turned out to be fatter and older than on their photos. Some people say good things and Plentyoffish, but it looks like it is mostly filled with really ugly broads with long lists of requirements. On the other hand, on RomanceLatina I get lots of messages mostly from good-looking women, that I do not even have time to respond to them. Which I believe is a good problem to have.
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I just wish there were some middle ground
While I am certainly not looking to meet a laundry list of AW criteria, I also need more than "simple and loving." In particular,"simple" would be a word where if I saw it, I would eliminate the person. Actually I think what D Cups meant to say was "simple and loving with big tits." Hey, it could be a lot worse!
But now I am in Buenos Aires so if I want a BJ I snap my fingers. There is a lot of inflation here but that increases the desperation and the sex ends up costing about the same.
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Spoiled American girl gets a new Lexus f0r her birthday, but cries
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
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No grandes lolas here. Most Argentinean women have small titties. I had one for a while, Pandora, who had big titties she swore were real but I never believed her. A lot of 34 Bs here. Of course, that's 85 on the metric system so it sounds much better. Also bras here do not have cup sizes, which tells you something.
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Spoiled American girl gets a new Lexus f0r her birthday, but cries
I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
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They Suck
Let me see if I can end this thread on describing "American Women", as compared to all those others we so love to hang and bang with. Two words: THEY SUCK!
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Perhaps AW suck, but not particularly well nor particularly enthusiastically. Actually I've had some of my better blow jobs from AWs but the median experience has been pretty low. Statistically speaking one should always look for outliers in this area.
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Yes, this is what rich and stupid American parents (especially moms) are teaching their daughters: to throw a hissy fit whenever they don't get what they want when they want. It is examples like this that cause me to decide to leave America. I feel sorry for the stupid schmuck that eventually marries the little stupid ****.
*That plus age discrimination. A fifty-something man could never marry a twenty-something woman here without severe gossip and social stigma. Whereas in Asia, I frequently see this combination of old and young in love and accepted by Asian societies.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1103633]I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
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Mistake in on-line dating chats
I've wasted a little time in the on-line dating time but probably learned a few things, too.
For example, never mention that your bro had kids with his wife via in vitro fertilization. Women in their mid-30s are baby hungry and want few complications, I gather.
Granted, I'm in shape, and my brother is fat, which probably explains his low motility. Still, when women hear about it, they start to back out. I'm tempted to say,"No, but I AM fertile. In fact, I've paid for abortions!"
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1103633]I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]That was totally crazy. If AW are raised like this now, the future AM do not stand a chance!
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[QUOTE=Jon32;1104846]That was totally crazy. If AW are raised like this now, the future AM do not stand a chance![/QUOTE]Tell your boys about Sosua, daddies. The wise AM of the future won't be bothered to TAKE a chance!
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That Lexus girl can be fixed with many years of therapy.
B
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1103633]I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]That story is true. MTV used to have a show about spoiled American youth.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1103627]I'm not sure if this is a true story, but fun to watch, also shows well some AW traits:
[url]http://www.abum.com/56740/Spoiled-*****-15-year-old-gets-a-Lexus-for-her-birthday-and-cries.html[/url]
[/QUOTE]"Not the car I wanted." Poor thing. What mean parents, not to buy her the car she wanted.
Ah, Nurse Ratchett has brought me my meds now. I feel much more mellow abou... (Snore)
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Michigan man faces charges for reading wife's e-mail
Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the U.S. "sex prison" but this is too much!
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail[/url]
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband.
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In the USA it's ALL the MAN'S FAULT!
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1106681]Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail[/url]
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband. [/QUOTE]This is, indeed, a "carriage of misjustice" as some wag put it.
But in the USA family-law system, of course, all the blame lands on the husband.
As the philosopher asked years ago,"If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it, is it still some man's fault?"
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I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for this guy. He married her, for damn sake, no one forced him to the altar.
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1106681]Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail[/url]
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband. [/QUOTE]
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What about the reverse?
Would be MOST interested to find out what would happen if the perverbial shoe was on the other foot. Pretty.
Sure you can bet nothing would happen to the AW, and the guy would be cleaned out
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1107071]I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for this guy. He married her, for damn sake, no one forced him to the altar.[/QUOTE]Must be a women district attorney
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[QUOTE=Balto1;1107311]Must be a women district attorney[/QUOTE]No, I'm NOT! I just call things the way I see 'em. I saw how two close male family members got their clocks cleaned out by women. Both are 6 feet underground now. One relation lost almost every penny he had to women, he died basically broke. The other family member was convinced by a woman, a girlfriend, that he needed some exotic surgery procedure done to his legs. We pleaded with him not to have the procedure done, but he died a year or so later a very miserable, broken man.
Most women do a good job hiding what they are about from men, BUT it's all there for you to see, that is if you want to see it. Men often get side tracked by the free pussy, BJ's, before marriage, but that is only the HOOK, all the woman has to do is reel in the prey.
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Balto is not saying Ajax is a woman or a district attorney. Balto is saying that the district attorney prosecuting the cuckold who read his wife's e-mail is likely female. That's likely regardless since 50% of US law school graduates are women.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead;1107454]Balto is not saying Ajax is a woman or a district attorney. Balto is saying that the district attorney prosecuting the cuckold who read his wife's e-mail is likely female. That's likely regardless since 50% of US law school graduates are women.[/QUOTE]Oopps sorry Balto my bad!
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[QUOTE=Westy;1104893]Tell your boys about Sosua, daddies. The wise AM of the future won't be bothered to TAKE a chance![/QUOTE]When the time comes, I'm cashing in FF miles and taking mine on a grand tour so they can see what's out there. I'm thinking Rio, Barcelona, Nairobi, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila. I consider this sort of a duty, along with assisting with college expenses. People ***** about their kids dropping out of college. It's just because 1) the kids are lazy 2) they have no idea how much exotic pussy you can get with a BS degree that leads to a job with decent salary and foreign travel opportunities. My adventures in life surpass any dreams that I had at 20.
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Another classic example of how fucked up some US men are
Not sure if you guys have seen that video already, but there's a guy, that is basically using Youtube to promote himself looking for a wife! Un-freaking-real!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNuDy8f8Hs&feature=player_embedded[/url]
Why do guys like him even bother in the US with US women and instead not look elsewhere? There's a huge world, full of hot, sexy, feminine women outside of the US. This is simply unreal.
Anyways, watch and you'll understand.
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Un-fuckin'believable
[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1106681]Did anyone see this gem in the newspaper today? On another site, it says the husband could face up to five years in jail! I know we call the USA "sex prison" but this is too much!
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_hi_te/us_reading_wife_s_e_mail[/url]
ROCHESTER HILLS, Mich. – A Rochester Hills man who says he learned of his wife's affair by reading her e-mail on their computer faces trial Feb. 7 on felony computer misuse charges.
Thirty-three-year-old Leon Walker used his wife's password to get into her Gmail account. Clara Walker filed for a divorce, which was granted this month.
Leon Walker tells The Oakland Press of Pontiac he was trying to protect the couple's children from neglect and calls the case a "miscarriage of justice."
Oakland County Assistant Prosecutor Sydney Turner says the charge is justified.
Privacy law writer Frederick Lane tells the Detroit Free Press the law typically is used to prosecute identity theft and stealing trade secrets. He says he questions if a wife can expect privacy on a computer she shares with her husband. [/QUOTE]So this poor bastard is supposed to be locked up now for what? For looking into her wife's inbox? The h0 was his fuckin' wife! Does that mean anything? She carries his family name.
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[QUOTE=DirkDingy; 1101723]A 30 yo old dude with an Ivy League degree making around a quarter million a year and I am forced to screw hookers, endure 2nd world party bitches and gold diggers by flauting money like a jack ass, and go on various sugardaddy sites to fuck hot women. It's embarrasing and demeaning.
That's my problem with AW: they are too stupid and cowardly to embrace the unfamilair. [/QUOTE]Dude, I'm in the exact same boat.
Curious to know what sugar daddy sites you have used? Seems a good way to land a few regular lays on the side with little complication
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This is one more prime example that the morals and other highly valued human traits like integrity are being pushed into oblivion by these pro female laws. I wouldn't blame that guy if he ends up killing that *****, that's how fucked up this case and this society has become.
One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone.
[QUOTE=Littletruths;1108495]So this poor bastard is supposed to be locked up now for what? For looking into her wife's inbox? The h0 was his fuckin' wife! Does that mean anything? She carries his family name.[/QUOTE]
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Yeah, we need to organize a mass demonstration. Like the Million Man March. That completely changed the landscape for Black America.
Oh wait; no it didn't. Vote with your feet.
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Dating Video
[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1108390]Not sure if you guys have seen that video already, but there's a guy, that is basically using Youtube to promote himself looking for a wife! Un-freaking-real!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNuDy8f8Hs&feature=player_embedded[/url]
Why do guys like him even bother in the US with US women and instead not look elsewhere? There's a huge world, full of hot, sexy, feminine women outside of the US. This is simply unreal.
Anyways, watch and you'll understand. [/QUOTE]You do know that this video is a prank, right? The "sequel" can be viewed at.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqTNEIgpQ-8.[/url]
Given the Kingston hoaxster's reaction (or lack thereof) to being exposed on camera, this sequel may be a hoax also. Nonetheless, the last 15 seconds or so have some good advice for those who wish to use dating sites.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13;1108530]One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone.[/QUOTE]
This question I asked already for 20 years. American men have no answer.
The schizophrenic cannot answer why he is sick. We have widespread of mental illness
among American men.
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Just American?
LOL, I've been Rin' this FF quite a bit now and I must say it's ridiculous. Ridiculous because the state of things overall is soo pathetic that one in his right mind can't do anything but take it in good spirits and laugh about it.
BTW, this shit is not just about AW but women in general. Women are women all around the world and all act accordingly. Most often than not they will try and get away with whatever they can. The only difference lays in what her surroundings allow her to (by surroundings I mean the society she lives in in general and the people she relates to on a daily basis).
For instance, in the Netherlands the "in" thing for women nowadays seems to be to have different children by different men. 3 being the perfect number as usual, so that the goddamn ho can collect not just one, but 3 support checks at the end of the month and live it up with no worries (this was said to me by a dutch girl friend of mine).
Sticking to the Netherlands as an example, the individualism and emancipation brought to the extremes didn't ultimately translate into an apparent betterment of society nor of the individual's living conditions. In fact, it is in plain view for everyone to see that the country is filled with lonely people who are incapable of relating to each other for anything other than talking shit at the bar, get drunk and engage in risky sexual behaviours with no string attached.
Golddigging sluts are aplenty all around the world and they are to be considered, IMO, as good as cancer. And women in general hold not much value for themselves besides their phisical attributes. Just have a look; even THEY know it!
Kindness doesn't belong to a woman's world. There is no such a thing in their universe, they have no notion of it. For us as Men, with our goddamned provider instinct it's easy to see weakness in a woman and mistake it for kindness, so if she also happens to be a good piece of ass in the meantime we're suddenly feeling all lovey dovey et al and try to take care of her and be good. At the same time, as she sees this kindness being showered on her she obviously takes it for weakness because that is the closest thing they know of and so she starts making her moves towards being in the position of power in the relationship that insued to take full advantage of it.
If I go fucking around for one night I'm probably going to show up back home in the morning with a bunch of nice flowers and a good mood (besides a foolproof excuse). But man, if my woman goes fucking around in the afternoon most often than not I will find a cold soup on the table when I get back home and she will be distant and even straight up resentful towards me! How crazy is that?
I see lots of guys on here talking about how women left or right would make a better companion on the long run, and honestly, while I wish I could believe that I see not much to support the thesys.
That any woman would make a better companion than an AW is not hard to believe anyways, not at all. In fact, even tho, thanks god, I have fucked girls all around the world I have always kept a comfortable distance to any AW I happened to cross path with (I am European BTW). First off, the accent and the tone of voice they have together with how loud they are makes for a fucking giant chicken. No jokes. I find it horrible. Second, they are obnoxious. They talk too much. I like my beEeatch to be good looking and not to overheat my ears and boy those AW just keep on keeping thir chicken mouth running all the time about shit one couldn't give a shit about. You aske her what time is it and she start telling you the story of her life and how did she and up there. Who gives a fuck? On top of that, they are rude. They like to play "fine lady" but brother the only girl I have ever heard belching out loud, and in a restaurant mind you, was an american girl. She thought it was cute I guess, and so did her chickenhead girls. Unfuckinbelievable.
On a different occasion, in another upscale restaurant I overheard (easily I must admitt, due to the volume of voice she used) another such chickenhead talking some would-be funny crap about fisting and shit to her commensals. WOW.
So yeah, probably you'll be better off picking up a wife in any exotic place and hope she can draw a line somewhere and not go over the hill like these idiotic bitches have already. I wish you guys the best of luck with that.
Bottomline seems to be that women are the same shit regardless of where they come from, but the ones from places like the USA or (even tho admittedly to a less repulsive extent) north Europe can be seen as the posterchild of how wrong things can go.
Just my two cents.
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It's true American women have lousy manners. So do a lot of American men. And we all talk too loud. It's true. Especially me because #1 I am from back East and #2 I am going deaf. I just said good-bye to my favorita here in Buenos Aires as I prepare to serve the second half of my sentence in SP. She has great manners. Makes the bed, hangs up the towels, never grabs F & B without asking, etc. etc. 36 y / o, not a bit overweight and never will be. Perfect little titties. [b]No[/b] tats or piercings. Doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs. Six and a half years of seeing her once or sometimes twice a week. Almost like a marriage only way, way better.
I only screwed two new chicas on this trip of 23 days, I like my favorita so much. Well, I mean I screwed a bunch of other chicas too but most of them I've also known for years. So I don't really think women are nearly as bad in other parts of the world as they are in the US.
Northern Europe, the people there are too cold for me. Men and women. My Latina favorita is hot hot hot. Hot in bed, hot tempered, and hot to the touch. Sleeping with her is liking sleeping with a lump of coal in your bed, that's how much heat the woman exudes. Half Spanish and half Arab and looks just like Shakira except Shakira is much cuter. But hey.
The first four months of my sentence weren't too bad. I was in America so I did like an American and I just worked all the time and made money and didn't have any fun. These next four months will be the same except I will get paroled for a week to Costa Rica. I did not meet a single woman I wanted to fuck in four months, including the three I actually did fuck.
Maybe I will stop at a [email]wh@rehouse[/email] On my way to the airport. Sigh.
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Sentence.
[QUOTE=Dickhead; 1110031]It's true American women have lousy manners. So do a lot of American men. And we all talk too loud. It's true. Especially me because #1 I am from back East and #2 I am going deaf. I just said good-bye to my favorita here in Buenos Aires as I prepare to serve the second half of my sentence in SP. She has great manners. Makes the bed, hangs up the towels, never grabs F & B without asking, etc. Etc. 36 why / o, not a bit overweight and never will be. Perfect little titties. [b]No[/b] Tats or piercings. Doesn't smoke, drink, or do drugs. Six and a half years of seeing her once or sometimes twice a week. Almost like a marriage only way, way better.
I only screwed two new chicas on this trip of 23 days, I like my favorita so much. Well, I mean I screwed a bunch of other chicas too but most of them I've also known for years. So I don't really think women are nearly as bad in other parts of the world as they are in the US.
Northern Europe, the people there are too cold for me. Men and women. My Latina favorita is hot hot hot. Hot in bed, hot tempered, and hot to the touch. Sleeping with her is liking sleeping with a lump of coal in your bed, that's how much heat the woman exudes. Half Spanish and half Arab and looks just like Shakira except Shakira is much cuter. But hey.
The first four months of my sentence weren't too bad. I was in America so I did like an American and I just worked all the time and made money and didn't have any fun. These next four months will be the same except I will get paroled for a week to Costa Rica. I did not meet a single woman I wanted to fuck in four months, including the three I actually did fuck.
Maybe I will stop at a [email]wh@rehouse[/email] On my way to the airport. Sigh. [/QUOTE]LOL. Keep it up buddy! You know the drill; take on your routine head on and in no time you'll be free again! .
Bless
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Well I for one have found several sexy fine AW whom I've been having a great time with. The latest one even cooks and makes dinner for me several times a month. Not like thats a lot. But it sure beats paying for meals. The only problem is she lives an hour drive from me. And I hate to drive after sex. A good rental movie and we call it a date. She's a home body, who doesn't like crowds so thats makes for a cheap date and great for me.
I have met at least one AW a month the last few months. I'm hoping more guys are disgusted with AW. Making it easier for guys like me. Thanks guys. And Keep looking else where.
TG. Just want to express my thanks and gratitude.
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Ok, ThatGuy865, here are a couple of AW I'm sending your way. Enjoy!
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1110093]Well I for one have found several sexy fine AW whom I've been having a great time with. The latest one even cooks and makes dinner for me several times a month. Not like thats a lot. But it sure beats paying for meals. The only problem is she lives an hour drive from me. And I hate to drive after sex. A good rental movie and we call it a date. She's a home body, who doesn't like crowds so thats makes for a cheap date and great for me.
I have met at least one AW a month the last few months. I'm hoping more guys are disgusted with AW. Making it easier for guys like me. Thanks guys. And Keep looking else where.
TG. Just want to express my thanks and gratitude. [/QUOTE]
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That Guy
ThatGuy surely can sleep like a newborn baby at night, in the knowledge that we are not going to try and steal his women from him. .
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Capt. Au natural was horrific. After I stopped laughing. I almost lost my dinner. Good one!
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USA Female Sexual Function
According to this report, a very large part of AW is not interested in sex in the first place. However some guys brag that then can convince American girls into sex in 10-20 minutes. Is that true? Sounds more like BS. Otherwise, why would many people go for sex to other countries.
[b]Conference Report. Third Annual Female Sexual Function Forum: Prevalence[/b]
Recent research suggests that a large number of US women are dissatisfied with some aspect of their sexual function. The USA National Health and Social Life Survey[4] of 1749 women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women. This figure was substantially higher than that found in the same survey for males (31%). A third of women lacked sexual interest, and nearly one fourth were unable to experience orgasm in the menopause. Twenty percent of women reported lubrication difficulties and 20% said they find sex not pleasurable. This high prevalence of sexual problems that can affect quality of life make these important areas of clinical concern.
[url]http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408933_2[/url]
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks;1105824]That story is true. MTV used to have a show about spoiled American youth.[/QUOTE]MTV still airs this kind of BS everyday (I remember when they used to play music videos). The fact is that this little be*tch's attitude it the fault of her "We have too much money, and don't know what to do with it." parents. They have taught their "little angel" to expect anything that she wants, and to throw a fit like that when she doesn't get exactly what she wants exactly when she wants it. Unfortunately, most Americans don't have that kind of money to throw around. But MTV, and other channels are teaching the kids that this type of attitude is normal.
Prior to getting her license, my daughter once made the statement "Dad, you have to buy me a new car when I'm able to drive." She is now driving a clunker that I paid all of $900 for, and she knows that if she complains, I can always take the keys and sale it to someone else. I told her if she wants someone to buy a new car for her, she better find a very generous boyfriend. I'm pretty sure she got her idea from watching to many of those spoiled rich kid shows.
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[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1108530]This is one more prime example that the morals and other highly valued human traits like integrity are being pushed into oblivion by these pro female laws. I wouldn't blame that guy if he ends up killing that, that's how fucked up this case and this society has become.
One question to the US men in here: why are all the men allowing these barbaric and female talebanic laws be passed in the first place? Why aren't the men in general doing a mass protest so that the laws be fairer and not heavily one sided in favor of the women? The most powerful people in the US are still male, so why don't they do anything to change that? I am lost for words to the level of how far this femanization of the US has gone. [/QUOTE]Most American boys are taught (mostly by their mothers) to be nice, couteous, and generous to girls. Somewhere along the line, the idea of the man being the head of the house has been lost to feminist ideals. Even on of the previous "most powerful" men in America, former President Bill Clinton, failed to call the shots in his own marriage. Everybody knows that Hillary was / is the one in charge. Most men in positions of authority in this country are P*ssy whipped into submission by their wives, and society at large. Even the celebrities fall prey to this BS. Look at what Tiger Woods recently went through.
America is loosing it's position as "the most powerful nation in the world," because of things like the women's rights and gay rights movements. All throughout industry in this country, there are the so called "equal rights" rules, which allow women to trump up false claims of sexual harassment, and get the guy fired, or possibly imprisoned without a chance of defending himself."Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HW
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First time mongering in America.
well, technically, not the first time. i had been to some strip clubs in san francisco many years ago where i got "extras" inside the club. but this was the first time responding to an online ad on another website; hint: the color of the book is red (sorry, jackson!). anyway, i'm back in the usa after living in asia the last couple of years and i'm probably going to be here for a while now; i was super horny so i thought i'd try domestic mongering out.
but before i begin this tale, let me preface it by saying mongering in america and mongering overseas are two completely different worlds; there's even a different language! for example, we here on the isg call it mongering, but ams call it hobbying. also, they call the girls "providers" or "massage therapists". everything is watered down and politically correct; it's almost like taking an r rated movie, taking out all the nudity and language, and turning it into a pg disney flick!
so, back to the story: i picked out a latina in her mid-20s on this red-colored book site. the two big mistakes i made: number 1, don't pick the girls that don't show their whole bodies! this chica had pics of her face, which was pretty, and her tits, which were huge, but that was it! no full body pic, and no pics of her ass. so, i had gotten a little suspicious, which brings me to mistake number 2: don't trust the online reviews that other ams leave for these girls! i wanted to see what other guys had said about this chica before i called her up, so i had a look, and with a couple exceptions, she had great reviews for both looks and service. but remember, these are reviews from ams; probably dudes like thatguy865. most of these guys probably give an "8" score just because she has a pussy and a pulse! they've probably never been overseas and have no idea what a proper woman looks / performs like.
anyways, i called her up and got directions to drive to her place. i could start to complain about how this country needs a proper public transportation system, but that's another rant for another post. i get there about five minutes early and do the "second call", and she's not even there yet, she's on her way. so, i'm sitting in my car like a moron, waiting for this chick to show up. finally, she texts me and says she's ready, so i walk up to the door. this whole time, i'm expecting cops to jump out of the bushes and bust my ass, but that never happened. i get to the door, knock, and she opens.
that's right boys, she was fat. it was the same girl, same pretty face and big tits, but yeah, she was chunky. i just stood there for a second, not sure what to do, but since i had driven out there, i decided to go through with it.
the moral of this tale, don't trust what other guys post about aws, they have no idea what they're talking about. also, being fat in this country seems to have become a normal occurance; i remember in the past that fat people were laughed at and ridiculed, but now i guess it's just a "lifestyle choice" in this country.
i think i'll just have to stick with porn and quick trips down to tijuana.
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[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1110348]Most American boys are taught (mostly by their mothers) to be nice, couteous, and generous to girls. Somewhere along the line, the idea of the man being the head of the house has been lost to feminist ideals. Even on of the previous "most powerful" men in America, former President Bill Clinton, failed to call the shots in his own marriage. Everybody knows that Hillary was / is the one in charge. Most men in positions of authority in this country are P*ssy whipped into submission by their wives, and society at large. Even the celebrities fall prey to this BS. Look at what Tiger Woods recently went through.
America is loosing it's position as "the most powerful nation in the world," because of things like the women's rights and gay rights movements. All throughout industry in this country, there are the so called "equal rights" rules, which allow women to trump up false claims of sexual harassment, and get the guy fired, or possibly imprisoned without a chance of defending himself."Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HW[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head, modern American society is feminizing men to the point that they can longer lead a society. The masculine alpha male is all but extinct, we see it everywhere, in business, in sports, in politics. The current President of the US exemplifies this feminization, Michelle Obama seems to wear the pants in the White House. I think this is happening in many other Western nations, more effiminate males make a society weaker.
You never see this kind of nonsense in Asian societies, hence why Asia is coming up in the world while the West continues to sink into the Abyss.
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No way can you get an AW to have sex in 20 minutes unless you are P4P. They all want to be wined and dined. Maybe in the 70s but not now unless you are a 19 yo stud banging a 19 yo chick on coke or something.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1110216]According to this report, a very large part of AW is not interested in sex in the first place. However some guys brag that then can convince American girls into sex in 10-20 minutes. Is that true? Sounds more like BS. Otherwise, why would many people go for sex to other countries.
[b]Conference Report. Third Annual Female Sexual Function Forum: Prevalence[/b]
Recent research suggests that a large number of US women are dissatisfied with some aspect of their sexual function. The USA National Health and Social Life Survey[4] of 1749 women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women. This figure was substantially higher than that found in the same survey for males (31%). A third of women lacked sexual interest, and nearly one fourth were unable to experience orgasm in the menopause. Twenty percent of women reported lubrication difficulties and 20% said they find sex not pleasurable. This high prevalence of sexual problems that can affect quality of life make these important areas of clinical concern.
[url]http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408933_2[/url]
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Why no USA section here?
I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?
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Conference Report
I am amazed the figures are that low!
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[QUOTE=Furysys;1110627]I am amazed the figures are that low![/QUOTE]Do you think the numbers for AW with sexual dysfunction should be even higher?
"women aged 18-59 years reported a prevalence of sexual dysfunction of 43% for women."
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[QUOTE=Commking;1110600]I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?[/QUOTE]Commking, have you checked out [url]www.usasexguide.info[/url]? It's another of Jackson's sites.
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There are some crazy AW out there
You just can't make this stuff up!
[QUOTE] A Florida woman was charged with aggravated battery and was taken to the Marion County Jail, where she was released on $10, 000 bond early Sunday morning. Her boyfriend was transported to Shands at the University of Florida in Gainesville with serious injuries. His condition Sunday was unknown.
A witness said a fight had broken out and the she threw gasoline at the poor SOB private area and lit him on fire.
When deputies arrived at the scene, the boyfriend, who smelled of gasoline, was kneeling in the yard, covered in a blanket. He had second and third-degree burns on his genital area and torso. He could not respond because he was in pain (you think!). Deputies called for emergency medical services, which transported him to Shands. [url]http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110109/ARTICLES/110109552/1169?p=1&tc=pg[/url][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1110348]"Equal rights" should really be called what it actually stands for,"rights for everyone that thinks they have some claim to a minority group, but none for the straight, white guy."
Sorry if this offends anybody. But I have never been a fan of political correctness. Just my two cents worth.
HW[/QUOTE]Hey Hairy Wonder, I agree with most of what you said and I also admire your un-political correctness. However, as a member of a minority group (hispanic) I have to say that if it's going that bad for the straight, white guy then what living chance in hell do we, straight, colored guys have in Sex Prison USA? I don't mean to start any quarrels here or anything like that, but I just thought that if anyone really had a better chance at things in this country, it was white guys (of all stripes and walks of life). It's you guys that I mostly see on tv, movies, music bands, etc. Usually, also, playing the role of the smart ones, the saviors, the superheroes, the bad asses, etc. But hey, you guys are the last line of defense we, all straight (regardless of skin color) guys have in this feminazi-dominate country. Funny thing is that throughout most of my travels in Latin America, I notice how much you white, (regardless of sexual orientation) guys are so looked-up upon. The treatment you guys receive over there is far better than anything I can imagine for myself, in spite of being originally from there as well. So go figure, how much of a chance can I have in what still remains of this great nation? Dunno, it's tough as nails. That's all I can say. Regardless of my (ongoing) higher education and how I carry myself out, all the stereotypes apply to me. It's like I'm guilty of everything before proven innocent. At least you white guys (usually) don't have that extra burden to worry about (and thankfully so!). But once I know you guys don't represent anything in your own country, then I will definitely know it's time for me to jump ship and head south of the border. Just my two-centavos worth, mi amigo!
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Are women leaving men behind?
allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2[/url]
enjoy!
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[quote=cyberdas; 1111389]allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2[/url]
enjoy! [/quote]same ol same ol but articles like this reinforce those observations. women and gay men are getting ahead because most people want them to get ahead. the boring straight guy with a good education no longer has a place in modern pop culture. not even as a bread winner or a sperm donator. the so called change in gender roles is the perfect platform from which to argue that change happens if you *persist. if man is / was the symbolism of strength and prosperity then he needs to fall to make things better for those perceived as weaker.
most problems bestowed upon people are intentional. done so by other people with the intent to cause harm and / or damage. there are natural disasters but none as great as what man does to man. these days the multitude has decided that now is the time for women and gay men to rise while the average guy who has oppressed the two for so long must suffer. there is no escaping it. it is what the majority of society wants. now is not the time for average straight males. at least not in this part of the world. like everything else you either conform or suffer the consequences.
there it is gentlemen. it's all been dictated to you by countless articles tv shows gurus and bitches with beards.
there is nothing you can do but make your own way. otherwise your destiny has already been decided for you.
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1111431]Most problems bestowed upon people are intentional. Done so by other people with the intent to cause harm and / or damage. There are natural disasters but none as great as what man does to man. These days the multitude has decided that now is the time for women and gay men to rise while the average guy who has oppressed the two for so long must suffer. There is no escaping it. It is what the majority of society wants. Now is NOT the time for average straight males. At least not in this part of the world. Like everything else you either conform or suffer the consequences.
There it is gentlemen. It's all been dictated to you by countless articles tv shows gurus and bitches with beards.
There is nothing you can do but make your own way. Otherwise your destiny has already been decided for you. [/QUOTE]Amen to that, Artisttyp. Amen to that, my brother! What I find most interesting is how these discussions are being carried out in the mainstream media. It is also reflected upon the many shows, movies and reality made-for-tv BS that we are so bombarded with every day of our lives. Even internationally, such stuff is starting to seep to the surface. Though not as bad as it takes place here, though. And hopefully never will it become anywhere near as bad too. Hopefully! I suppose we all find great relief in knowing there are still places in the world where men are still men and thankfully, women are just as feminine, sweet and beautiful as ever.
My theory all along has been that it would take some mayor world-altering event to reverse the course of things as they are now in this still great nation. Dunno, something in the lines of the announcement of some gigantic meteor coming our way hell-bent set on obliterating us to pieces and AW realizing that they had not lived their lives as women the world over were meant to live theirs. And then having a change of heart in becoming the feminine, sweet and beautiful women they too deserve to be and all of a sudden also realizing that they outnumber us and that they will have to do nothing else but open up to us and woo us and share us with the rest of the AWs and Americanized / Westernized women in this country. Much the same way women in other countries / parts of the world currently have to do. And then, wait. I'm almost done. The meteor would steer off course and miss us and we remain to live in this still great planet with AW that will with no doubt return to their troll ways but at least for some time (hopefully the meteor would takes years to hit us LOL!) we can live in sexual bliss without the need of travelling overseas. Now, wouldn't that be swell? Peace!
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imo, women as competitors* to men, within the same family as husband and wife (or even dating) is killing the usa along with the rote greed and exorbitant wage ratios of our major and nefarious ceos. add to that a welfare system that reinforces laziness, illegitimate children and stupidity it is a wonder the entire usa has not gone bankrupt. in 10 years i am moving to the pi to find a traditional. supportive wife.
*women as competitors to men destroys families whereas women as cooperators with their chosen man builds a strong family. i want nothing to do with any woman who brags about her income and achievements (while her husband and kids are neglected and rejected). i am not saying that women should not work, or even make good money. i am saying their priority should be their husband first and kids second, then the frickin job.
[quote=cyberdas; 1111389]allow me to also contribute something useful to this board:
here's a link to a speech given by some lady i had not heard of before. hanna rosin. on cnn. i highly recommend watching the 16 minute video. how insane and crazy are things becoming for us men? she points out some interesting observations, though. regardless of whether we agree with her or not. i could care less for her and for what she stands for, but she does shed light on some interesting points. most of the stuff has been discussed in this forum before i. e. women are graduating from college at higher rates than men, women are starting to earn more money than men, etc.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/opinion/01/11/rosin.ted.women.men/index.html?hpt=c2[/url]
enjoy! [/quote]
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[QUOTE=Commking;1110600]I am going to San Jose (CA) in a couple of months. But no USA section on this site! Not sure why, but where do I get the info then for California?[/QUOTE]Have you been paying attention to the comments made by the many American men on this forum regarding American women? Punting in America is a waste of time and money, and its also illegal. I would avoid searching for prostitutes in the US unless you want to wind up in prison or arrested.
I lived in the US for a bit, I have to say it was the most asexual time of my life, practically lost interest in women, it had nothing to do with age but the kind of women that most American females are, then seeing the rest of the world woke me up. Women outside of North America are a much different breed.
California? LOL. Let me give you advice my friend, save your money, go to Mexico instead.
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[QUOTE=D Cups; 1111701]IMO, women as competitors* to men, within the same family as husband and wife (or even dating) is killing the USA along with the rote greed and exorbitant wage ratios of our major and nefarious CEOs. Add to that a welfare system that reinforces laziness, illegitimate children and stupidity it is a wonder the entire USA has not gone bankrupt. In 10 years I am moving to the PI to find a traditional. Supportive wife.
*Women as competitors to men destroys families whereas women as cooperators with their chosen man builds a strong family. I want nothing to do with any woman who brags about her income and achievements (while her husband and kids are neglected and rejected). I am not saying that women should not work, or even make good money. I am saying their priority should be their HUSBAND first and kids second, then the frickin job. [/QUOTE]Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?
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Are We Having Fun Yet?
She was a dead fish right from the get go! It could have happened to any of us.....
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/13/2011-01-13_man_charged_with_necrophilia_insists_he_didnt_know_she_was_dead_cops.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks; 1111798]Have you been paying attention to the comments made by the many American men on this forum regarding American women? Punting in America is a waste of time and money, and its also illegal. I would avoid searching for prostitutes in the US unless you want to wind up in prison or arrested.
I lived in the US for a bit, I have to say it was the most asexual time of my life, practically lost interest in women, it had nothing to do with age but the kind of women that most American females are, then seeing the rest of the world woke me up. Women outside of North America are a much different breed.
California? LOL. Let me give you advice my friend, save your money, go to Mexico instead. [/QUOTE]Long time ago when I visited a Friend in San Diego, CA I asked locals what to do there and what was good about SD. All of them were saying "the only good thing about San Diego is that it is close to Tijuana Mexico", and in order not to waste time and money I should go to Tijuana.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1111895]Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?[/QUOTE]African Americans sure have come to the party a day late and a dollar short, but white women have been enjoying the latter part of the party that is ending. I lived in the US during the 1990s and being a white female and reasonably attractive gave you a shitload of social and career mobility. I knew many who slept their way to the top.
Now America is going down the shithole totally. I have no idea why people think there is a recovery coming, its over for America.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1111895]Women, like blacks in the USA, have come to the party a day late and a dollar short. What does it matter that they do a little better on the job market when the whole country is going economically down the shithole?[/QUOTE]True and in a sense we might finally be moving toward that leisure economy that computers and machines have long promised us. Maybe many of us "Men" wouldn't mind staying home with the kids if you could still do "manly" things, like work / build cars, upgrade the home, play sports at a high level, things still largely "foreign" to women.
In fact I have long thought I retire a bit early (50) and see the kids through the most troubling point in their lives; being a teenager.
I find these dynamics interesting.
EU has a much better work to life ratio than the US, yet.
The EU generally has the aging population, youth flight, shrinking child birth statistics and waiting long to get married / start a family.
There has been a trend starting with Gen X and hitting high gear with Gen Y that as a woman, she will go to school, get an degree, start her career, move up to a management position by her early 30's and THEN look for a mate to have children with.
Now however, if that proves difficult (finding a suitable mate) , then the alternative is artificial insemination, buy sperm from a donor (dumb asses or egoistical males only do this) or get knocked up by a random but attractive man with no intention of letting him know he has a child.
The question of the 90's and previous decade was.
Do women need men? The answer is NO.
The question over the next decade or at least until our economy returns and it will, baring natural disasters.
Do women even want men (in their lives)? The answer for a majority of women, NO.
I going to start refraining from talking about marriage and children in this particular thread because not many are interested in the subject matter and rather rant and rave about American women being poor choices, when all of us know that already.
@DCups, AFA has some Flips with huge tits on their web site you might want to check that out.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1112331]There has been a trend starting with Gen X and hitting high gear with Gen Y that as a woman, she will go to school, get an degree, start her career, move up to a management position by her early 30's and THEN look for a mate to have children with.
Now however, if that proves difficult (finding a suitable mate) , then the alternative is artificial insemination, buy sperm from a donor (dumb asses or egoistical males only do this) or get knocked up by a random but attractive man with no intention of letting him know he has a child.
[/QUOTE]Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt.
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Gov support
Don't forget, Litletruths, how much government support a single mother receives in North America. If she gets knocked up, and knows the father and can fleece him for support, she will get that, receives non-taxable benefit cheques from the government, and health care and other costs covered. Given that total support, I once calculated that a single mom of 2 with support would have to earn about 40k a year to even come close to matching what she receives in support and benefits. She can always do cash work on the side (babysitting for example) , which even more reduces the need for a man. If she gets horny she can always call some f*buddy, or use a dildo or something
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American women
Lets face it they are prison wardens for the sex prison. Love it when they give me a 2 week pass to get out of the prison and visit other parts of the world.
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[QUOTE=Furysys;1112484]Don't forget, Litletruths, how much government support a single mother receives in North America. If she gets knocked up, and knows the father and can fleece him for support, she will get that, receives non-taxable benefit cheques from the government, and health care and other costs covered. Given that total support, I once calculated that a single mom of 2 with support would have to earn about 40k a year to even come close to matching what she receives in support and benefits. She can always do cash work on the side (babysitting for example) , which even more reduces the need for a man. If she gets horny she can always call some f*buddy, or use a dildo or something[/QUOTE]Well, in line of principle it is admirable that a single mom can count on substantial support from the community so that she can raise her children. It is in the best interest of the little ones that she receives support, isn't it? I find it hard to believe that anyone would be cool with knowing that the kids next door live in poverty because daddy one day told mommy he was going out to buy sigarettes and never came back. So I guess it's fair to say that there is nothing wrong with it. Still tho, life being what it is, there are wrong twists in just about anything; for instance, the woman giving birth to different kids by different men so that she can then collect from them as much money as possible and doesn't ever have to work anymore but still wear expensive designer clothes and take her time to wh0re around.
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[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1112477]Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt. [/QUOTE]I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child".
Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug.
Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1112608]I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child".
Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug. [/QUOTE]So do you think that "single mom that works, nanny and little picket fence" would be just as good for a kid as "mommy, daddy, kiddies and a little picket fence" would be?
Personally I am not fond on single parenting. Forget religion, we're not talking religion here, but I do believe that the optimal environment for the upbringing of a child would be "mommy daddy kiddies little picket fence" as you put it. I say this from first-hand experience, that is what I think and that's what it is. Then again, having a single parent is no Greek tragedy, but still it's not as good as having both parents as it should be.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1112608]Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.[/QUOTE]Well, in my experience life is seldom if ever either black or white but there are endless shades of grey you can pick from and make yourself comfortable in.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1112608]I dunno what is supposed to be "a suitable environment for a child". Do people still believe that religious bullshit nonsense about mother father kiddies and a little picket fence? I don't think we were any better off in the 1950s or a century ago than now. We just swept more problems under the rug.[/quote]I don't know anything about your upbringing, Bango, but I was raised by a single mom, and it was no damned picnic for her or for me. There were plenty of times when I wished I'd had a father in the house, and times after I was grown when I wished she'd had a husband with her to share "the golden years." But I also acknowledge that a mommy-and-daddy household is no guarantee of a "Leave It To Beaver" idyll, either; and love's a stuff that won't endure, not without both husband and wife working on it consistently.
[quote]Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.[/QUOTE]Maybe so. But I would "leave it to settle down with just one" if I had a child with that one, because I'd want that child to grow up with the "daddy" that I didn't have. I believe I would be man enough to put the welfare of my child ahead of my own promiscuous pleasures- "That's right, I said it!" as Mark Levin would rasp.
Now that I'm old and disillusioned, though, and single and childless of course, I won't START a family because I doubt if I'd survive the brats' teenagerhood. Besides, I figure it's time for me to enjoy my own damn selfish and promiscuous pleasures. See ya in Medellin (when I get up to that level), or wherever...
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Fair enough Westy, I agree with what you said.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1112608]Furthermore, I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.[/QUOTE]Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1112864]Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle. [/QUOTE]They DON'T. They're pretty much ALL fucking around, almost down to the last person. ESPECIALLY in the music business. Do I know even ONE musician who is married and not cheating on his or her spouse? Honestly I can say I do not. Well, maybe one, but that depends on how you define "musician". I honestly don't think the rest of the population is much different actually. It's in our very core to crave variety. We need to make a society that actually recognizes that instead of stuffing us into some mold that doesn't fit us.
The difference between Charlie Sheen, who I actually have had the occasion to meet a couple times, and others is that Mr. Sheen has absolutely totally ZERO discretion. But he hardly has the patent on that sort of lifestyle. Most of us are just as libertine but a little bit less likely to pass out on the floor of the girl's bathroom.
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[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1112734]So do you think that "single mom that works, nanny and little picket fence" would be just as good for a kid as "mommy, daddy, kiddies and a little picket fence" would be?
Personally I am not fond on single parenting. Forget religion, we're not talking religion here, but I do believe that the optimal environment for the upbringing of a child would be "mommy daddy kiddies little picket fence" as you put it. I say this from first-hand experience, that is what I think and that's what it is. Then again, having a single parent is no Greek tragedy, but still it's not as good as having both parents as it should be.
Well, in my experience life is seldom if ever either black or white but there are endless shades of grey you can pick from and make yourself comfortable in.
Bless[/QUOTE]My personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1113122]My personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.[/QUOTE]Utopia is one nice concept Bango, and lucky is the man who can afford to entertain such idealism in this world that we're living in which is far more rotten than the "nuclear family" you refer to.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1113119]They DON'T. They're pretty much ALL fucking around, almost down to the last person. ESPECIALLY in the music business. Do I know even ONE musician who is married and not cheating on his or her spouse? Honestly I can say I do not. Well, maybe one, but that depends on how you define "musician". I honestly don't think the rest of the population is much different actually. It's in our very core to crave variety. We need to make a society that actually recognizes that instead of stuffing us into some mold that doesn't fit us.
The difference between Charlie Sheen, who I actually have had the occasion to meet a couple times, and others is that Mr. Sheen has absolutely totally ZERO discretion. But he hardly has the patent on that sort of lifestyle. Most of us are just as libertine but a little bit less likely to pass out on the floor of the girl's bathroom. [/QUOTE]Fucking around or not. One doesn't know for sure and even if they are. To what level. Once a month, twice a year, . Which neither of us knows for suire.
But one thing we do know for sure. They MARRY. Which is contrary to what you stated because to marry means You are telling someone that you are settling down with just them.
[QUOTE]I doubt there's a single person EVER going to read this who can honestly say if they had their pick of VARIETY of beautiful women, they'd leave it to settle down with just one. Anybody who says that is lying to their own selves.[/QUOTE]
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This Ain't Utopia
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1113122]My personal opinion, the whole nuclear family concept is rotten and needs to be thrown out, single OR double parent lifestyle. We just need to group ourselves differently, perhaps with the greater society taking more COLLECTIVE responsibility for the kids. But not in a nanny-state sort of way.[/QUOTE]I have to go along with Littletruths on this comment, BC. It's a lovely Utopian idea, but this ain't utopia where we're living.
My first worry would be, who do you define as "the greater society" that is supposed to take "more collective responsibility for the kids"? The extended family, uncles and aunts and cousins and grandparennts pitching in? The neighborhood? The schools? The religious organizations? Something on the order of round-the-clock day care centers? The local or municipal government?
I do, in my core, believe that a child's parents are the best caretakers the child can have. Beyond that, I believe that a child's needs are met better in a FAMILY group than in any non-family system I can envision.
[i]But does that limit the options to "nuclear family"? Not necessarily! [/i] View the "extended family" as a starter: consider the situation you have where grandparents, uncles & aunts, and cousins live in the same neighborhood, and their homes are open to the kids as well. That worked for our species since, well, forever, you might say. But you are still talking about a small group, bonded together by shared ancestors.
Would "clan marriages" or "line marriages" be a workable alternative? Robert A. Heinlein described such in a couple of his books; two that I recall particularly well are [u]Friday[/u] And [u]The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress[/u]. (The main character and "narrator" of that second book, Manuel O'Kelly Davis, is a member of a "line marriage" family that had been going for a century or more. Heinlein's narratives of life in the Davis Family, interleaved into an exciting tale about the Moon's revolt against its penal-colony "Authority" back on Earth, leaves me wishing I could be found worthy to marry into a line-marriage family like that.)
I believe the cardinal purpose of marriage is to provide for the welfare of the children. The nuclear family works pretty well at that; I believe it's better than those alternatives that are found in today's society. Could we hatch out something better, like a small group of men and women marrying "all together" (polygyny and polyandry all together under the same roof) to earn the Big Family's living and raise their brood all together? Could it work?
Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it?
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[QUOTE=Westy; 1113229]I have to go along with Littletruths on this comment, BC. It's a lovely Utopian idea, but this ain't utopia where we're living.
My first worry would be, who do you define as "the greater society" that is supposed to take "more collective responsibility for the kids"? The extended family, uncles and aunts and cousins and grandparennts pitching in? The neighborhood? The schools? The religious organizations? Something on the order of round-the-clock day care centers? The local or municipal government?
I do, in my core, believe that a child's parents are the best caretakers the child can have. Beyond that, I believe that a child's needs are met better in a FAMILY group than in any non-family system I can envision.
[i]But does that limit the options to "nuclear family"? Not necessarily! [/i] View the "extended family" as a starter: consider the situation you have where grandparents, uncles & aunts, and cousins live in the same neighborhood, and their homes are open to the kids as well. That worked for our species since, well, forever, you might say. But you are still talking about a small group, bonded together by shared ancestors.
Would "clan marriages" or "line marriages" be a workable alternative? Robert A. Heinlein described such in a couple of his books; two that I recall particularly well are [u]Friday[/u] And [u]The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress[/u]. (The main character and "narrator" of that second book, Manuel O'Kelly Davis, is a member of a "line marriage" family that had been going for a century or more. Heinlein's narratives of life in the Davis Family, interleaved into an exciting tale about the Moon's revolt against its penal-colony "Authority" back on Earth, leaves me wishing I could be found worthy to marry into a line-marriage family like that.)
I believe the cardinal purpose of marriage is to provide for the welfare of the children. The nuclear family works pretty well at that; I believe it's better than those alternatives that are found in today's society. Could we hatch out something better, like a small group of men and women marrying "all together" (polygyny and polyandry all together under the same roof) to earn the Big Family's living and raise their brood all together? Could it work?
Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it? [/QUOTE]Good post.
I personally think that the MOTHER is important in the child's life, there's a certain bond there that can't be ignored. I don't think the same thing happens with the father. I'm very important in my kids lives but it's because of how I relate to them (trust and confidence) more than biology. Just an opinion.
Thatguy, never mind the times I have been TOLD about it, because I don't trust what comes out of folk's mouths, but how many times do I have to be called to be asked to give an alibi because a friend is cheating, or how many times have I seen photos and videos, or even been there or even PARTICIPATED. In order to draw the conclusions I draw? I have done all of the above enough to realize that maybe 1 out of 1000 marriages is truly a monogamous relationship. Marriages are entered into by two people with the idea of taking advantage of each other, and showing each other off as trophies. For status reasons. Certainly NOT for love, that's just a fake bullshit notion. Real like has never worked that way, that shit only happens in cheap Harlequien books.
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[QUOTE=Westy;1113229]Getting back to the title of this thread, does anyone here believe that "The American Woman" would put up with it?[/QUOTE]"American Woman" here being the epitome of how horribly wrong and repulsive it can get, but sadly not limited to US citizens only. Nope, they wouldn't put up with it and neither would I, it just wouldn't work. If men's ultimate goal is to fornicate with as many women as one can, then you don't really need to embrace any emotional and sexual socialism. You can still set up a nuclear family and have with your wife the kind of arrangement that suits the both of you best. I have seen some examples of swinger-parents nuclear households that semed to work pretty well as they kept evrybody satisfied and properly catered for.
On a side note, it may be time to start a new thread on women in general as this "AW" seems to be a bit tight, perhaps "Women, relationships, kids" would do?
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My dream
Last summer, I was canoeing with my brother in the Ozarks, and we saw a couple in the river.
The husband was a white dude, looked maybe retired military, early to mid 50s, and his wife was a filipina, mid- to late 30s. Both were in shape, and the wife reached into the cooler to had the hub a beer.
Said to my bro,"I want that dude's life."
Recounted this story to a white American female coworker, and she said,"Yeah, but maybe she's a real ***** when they get home." 'Course, my coworker has more gut than butt and tits the size of pig ears, and she's mostly ***** in behavior, though she in her mind, she'll always get the blue ribbon at the 4-H fair.
As much as I enjoy pussy, I'm essentially programmed as a monogamous guy. In other words, if I'm treated well sexually and just in regards to basic etiquette, I'm fairly happy.
Given that, I think that I wouldn't want to cheat on a woman if I were married. Don't like to complicate my life like that. But if I got snared in a marriage that was quickly celibate and financially trapping, I'd take every chance at new trim I so desired.
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Here are Two
David Lee Roth and Billy "Fucking" Idol are two. Both have proudly tagged probably several thousands of hot chicks over their long careers but they never seemed to tire of it.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1112864]Can you explain why so many rich and famous do. They have the pick of VARIETY of beautiful women. As you say.
Can you name one Rich person, or rock star, who hasnt married. Some stay married for long times at that. And a lot, even when they do divorce they get married again.
Evidently many guys get tired of just having sex. For the sake of just having sex.
There are more rich and famous guys who opt for the so called "picket fence" life style. Than the charlie sheen lifestyle. [/QUOTE]
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A nice Ukrainian girl spoiled by life in the USA
Hello, fellows,
Here are pictures of my last girlfriend, we parted recently.
She is Ukrainian but has been living (illegally) in the USA for the last 12 years. She is now hunting for a western visa.
American life has spoiled her, and after a few encounters, she started to act like a typical American Woman.
She tried to milk as much money from me as she could ("honey, I need a new cellular, can you buy me a plane ticket, etc"). So I classify her in the category of non-pro w*hores, and she deserves to have her pictures in this forum.
She is 33 years old, a former model and dancer with a great body. She does absolutely everything (BBBJ, deep throat, anal) , but is generally passive in bed.
She is completely self-centered. Only her little person matters. She is now the complete opposite of the other Ukrainian women I have met.
Regards.
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..................and your problem with her is?
She gives you anal, BBBJ, deep throats your stick, does everything per your words and you're complaining. This chick looks better than 99. 99% of AW! If all she's asking for is a cellphone and a plane ticket you really have nothing to complain about my friend. How many American women are interested in sex, much less giving you a BBBJ and anal.
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy; 1113616]Hello, fellows,
Here are pictures of my last girlfriend, we parted recently.
She is Ukrainian but has been living (illegally) in the USA for the last 12 years. She is now hunting for a western visa.
American life has spoiled her, and after a few encounters, she started to act like a typical American Woman.
She tried to milk as much money from me as she could ("honey, I need a new cellular, can you buy me a plane ticket, etc"). So I classify her in the category of non-pro w*hores, and she deserves to have her pictures in this forum.
She is 33 years old, a former model and dancer with a great body. She does absolutely everything (BBBJ, deep throat, anal) , but is generally passive in bed.
She is completely self-centered. Only her little person matters. She is now the complete opposite of the other Ukrainian women I have met.
Regards. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax; 1113624]. And your problem with her is?
She gives you anal, BBBJ, deep throats your stick, does everything per your words and you're complaining. This chick looks better than 99. 99% of AW! If all she's asking for is a cellphone and a plane ticket you really have nothing to complain about my friend. How many American women are interested in sex, much less giving you a BBBJ and anal. [/QUOTE]If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area.
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....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1113679]If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area. [/QUOTE]
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Pay her for leaving
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1113807]....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.[/QUOTE]I agree completely. A straight paid provider is always cheaper than a girlfriend, especially of the shark type.
When I compute the ratio fucking hours / dollars that I had with her, I get scared.
What you do not get with a paid provider however, is the romantic game. Plus the fact that it was all bareback.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1113679]If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area. [/QUOTE]This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts.
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[QUOTE=D Cups;1112429]DJ, what's AFA, please? Many thanks.[/QUOTE]A Foreign Affair
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[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1112477]Males? Really?
What about the egoistical woman that at one point just deides she HAS to give birth to a baby even tho she hasn't managed to build around her (and most importantly, around the upcoming baby) an environment suitable for the upbringing of a child?
As a rule of thumb, children need two parents.
Single parenting is a failure IMO, even tho, it is surely better to have only one (good) parent rather than having one of the two being a disfunctional individual.
Makes me wonder, a woman that hasn't succeeded in finding a man that'd bother sticking around with her, how functional can that be? I guess she either has to be a saint (too good for this world) or, most probably, a kunt. [/QUOTE]Hey I don't agree with it, it just happens and its all over the media.
Women after 35 have greater risk for birth defects, from mild to Down's Syndrome.
A child should have both parents. Its a woman's selfishness, she can't find a man because she's overlooking suitable men, just that simple.
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Men Have Upper Hand in Sexual Economy
Here's something to chew on.
[i]It's not a new theory: As women progress in educational and professional opportunities, their odds of finding a committed man appear to go down. Women in their 40s and 50s have long heard this, but new research finds it's true for women just entering adulthood as well... [/i]
[b][url=http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/men-have-upper-hand-in-sexual-economy/?hpt=C2]Men Have Upper Hand in Sexual Economy[/url][/b]
-Helpmann :)
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Upper hand?
[QUOTE=Helpmann; 1113953]Here's something to chew on.
[i]It's not a new theory: As women progress in educational and professional opportunities, their odds of finding a committed man appear to go down. Women in their 40s and 50s have long heard this, but new research finds it's true for women just entering adulthood as well. [/i]
[b][url=http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/18/men-have-upper-hand-in-sexual-economy/?hpt=C2]Men Have Upper Hand in Sexual Economy[/url]
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-Helpmann. [/QUOTE]My only problem with this "upper hand" theory is when I reflect on the number of American women who have, in effect, told me to take that upper hand of mine and go jerk myself off with it.
Of course "it's still the guy's fault" when the bright, capable young women can't find a suitable mate.
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[QUOTE=Sammon; 1113823]This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts. [/QUOTE]Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.
I'm just saying, if it's between having a gold-digging GF and p4p I will choose the p4p any day of the year. If those are my two options I know clearly where I stand. If I have to choose between p4p and a girl who really wants to be in a serious relationship with me and will pull her own weight, well, who knows if such a girl really exists.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1113992]Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.[/QUOTE]I would disagree, why would any guy in their right mind be willing to spend money on a woman who is older and more physically deteriorated. It just does not compute! Just look at the hundreds of thousands of older / physically deteriorated older white European and American women who go to the Caribbean Islands and other places looking for young Mandingo types and showering 'them with love, money and gifts.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1113992]Obviously the older and more physically deteriorated you are, the more important money becomes in dealing with the opposite sex. Nobody in their right mind would argue that.
I'm just saying, if it's between having a gold-digging GF and p4p I will choose the p4p any day of the year. If those are my two options I know clearly where I stand. If I have to choose between p4p and a girl who really wants to be in a serious relationship with me and will pull her own weight, well, who knows if such a girl really exists.[/QUOTE]I am older but I am not physically deteriorated. The strange thing is when I was younger I was dating women who were a bit older, now that I am older I am dating women much younger than me. But I am in much better shape than most men my age and many in their 20s.
For most people money becomes a more important factor in the relationship and even if you got it, its not a satisfying relationship, because she loves your money and not you.
I wonder if George Clooney would be dating 20 somethings left and right if he was not rich and famous and still had his looks, I doubt it.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1114182]I would disagree, why would any guy in their right mind be willing to spend money on a woman who is older and more physically deteriorated. It just does not compute! Just look at the hundreds of thousands of older / physically deteriorated older white European and American women who go to the Caribbean Islands and other places looking for young Mandingo types and showering 'them with love, money and gifts.[/QUOTE]In other words, we agree. It works the same for men AND women.
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[QUOTE=Sammon; 1113823]This girl is from another ountry living in US illegally. Her motivation is either find a husband to make her legal or make enough money by milking her boyfriends and go back.
What is wrong with protecting her interests? Even the legal American girlfriends are expensive keep up proposition sometimes. But there are women out there who do not expect anything and do support their boyfriends in need.
Generally these happen when you are young. Older people have no chance of getting into the pants of a young girl without money or expensive gifts. [/QUOTE]True to a point, but sometimes this board is overtly negative. Not every woman no matter her origin is out for permanent resident status ONLY. Some women want to stay AND find an American Husband because that's what she wants, nothing else too it.
In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest. She never ask for much and her parents never hinted she wanted "more" than she was getting so as far as I understand that subject never came up. The only [i]more[/i] She wanted was a wedding ring and marriage.
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy; 1113820]I agree completely. A straight paid provider is always cheaper than a girlfriend, especially of the shark type.
When I compute the ratio fucking hours / dollars that I had with her, I get scared.
What you do not get with a paid provider however, is the romantic game. Plus the fact that it was all bareback. [/QUOTE]How long does it take to compute this ratio? Bar girls in Tijuana cost $60 per incident, if she becomes a favorite (or however you say it in Spanish) it could cost you virtually nothing, but maybe an evening out dancing. With the exchange rate being what it is, what you say makes sense. But that being said, this girl is likely not going to remember your birthday (your GF / Wife will) or buy you stuff at Christmas, take you on trips, etc. Frankly I don't know where some of you guys meet the women you do and I'm not one to say you must to have been done dirty to feel the way you do, but either you hooked up with penny pinching women or broke women or women that just didn't give two shits about you while you missed all the obvious signs.
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1113807]....................BUT isn't that the problem with most relationships, we have to pay for it one way or other. The p4p scenario is more straightforward, you pay, you fuck, you leave.[/QUOTE]True, if that's all you want is sex, then P4P is best case scenario when accessible, legally. You don't use P4P for companionship some people do, a dog or cat is cheaper. That's if you want to be by yourself most of the time. I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.
Like I said I wanted to refrain from talking about LTR in this thread because its just not popular, it a place to vent about AW, even if the same vent has been repeated a dozen times before.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1113679]If she's materially interested in him, she should be treated like a professional. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not down with the idea that just because a woman has a vagina a man should financially support her. If that's the way they want to play the game, then it can be cash for sex, but the terms have to be 100% clear otherwise as a man you WILL find yourself taken advantage of. And the moment it ceases to be a good deal for you, WALK!
Even the most loving relationship should be reciprocal, and not one-sided in any one particular area. [/QUOTE]How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important.
I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.
We work as a unit or it doesn't work. If you can't find a American to buy into this, GO ELSEWHERE.
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[QUOTE=Westy; 1113963]My only problem with this "upper hand" theory is when I reflect on the number of American women who have, in effect, told me to take that upper hand of mine and go jerk myself off with it.
Of course "it's still the guy's fault" when the bright, capable young women can't find a suitable mate. [/QUOTE]Of course its still the guy's fault. That's when you started to see stories of "ManChild" syndrome, men more interested in Xbox 360 / PS3 than marrying their sulking 20something girlfriend. Its never mentioned that she's a be*tchy, demanding, self-centered, social climber.
You know, in this economy it does appear we have the upper hand. As I said before Women Do Not Want To Be Bread Winners, they want somebody to take care of them ultimately in return for sex (you hope) , companionship and offspring.
I just went looking at some profiles on my favorite site and gee you think this crisis has impacted more than I originally thought. I've seen some "normal" demands like height and those types of things, but nothing terribly unreasonable.
I'm quite shocked to be honest with you and given this downturn is likely to last until 2014-2015 if not longer (lost decade?) maybe this is their "Come To Jesus" moment and knows nobody else wants them (outside the country).
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1114573]Of course its still the guy's fault. That's when you started to see stories of "ManChild" syndrome, men more interested in Xbox 360 / PS3 than marrying their sulking 20something girlfriend. Its never mentioned that she's a be*tchy, demanding, self-centered, social climber.
You know, in this economy it does appear we have the upper hand. As I said before Women Do Not Want To Be Bread Winners, they want somebody to take care of them ultimately in return for sex (you hope) , companionship and offspring.
I just went looking at some profiles on my favorite site and gee you think this crisis has impacted more than I originally thought. I've seen some "normal" demands like height and those types of things, but nothing terribly unreasonable.
I'm quite shocked to be honest with you and given this downturn is likely to last until 2014-2015 if not longer (lost decade?) maybe this is their "Come To Jesus" moment and knows nobody else wants them (outside the country). [/QUOTE]I had a recent experience mongering in the US, something I normally do not do, but its clear the shit economy is changing things. I got an awful lot of extras from women. Also when I told women I lived in a foreign country rather than be turned off, it seemed to turn them on, usually American women are very suspicious of foreign men. But it seems that as the economy gets worse in America, people are willing to try something new.
Several years ago when things were better, the reaction I would get from most American women is if Australia is full of killer crocodiles and snakes, now I get a different reaction, like get me out of here. I guess the shoe is going on the other foot these days.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney;1114568]In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest.[/QUOTE]My ex wife paid the mortgage and I paid the utilities. Everything else we had on our own we paid separately. She was always complaining about not having money. I had a child, she didn't. I had school, she didn't. And she made more than me. Not having money never stopped me from doing what I wanted. It seemed the more that I spent on the things I wanted to do the more I would get back from whatever source.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.[/QUOTE]I'm definitely not a loner. Maybe that is my problem. I like women too much to be with only one. I thought I had a problem until I looked at my family history and talked to the few men that are in my family. Then I realized that it's just in my blood. My dad, granddad's on both sides, and my great grandfather (who was a preacher by the way) all had kids outside of their marriages. I was talking to my uncle Thanksgiving who had left his wife over 25 years ago for another woman. He said it did not take him long to come to his senses and go back to his wife for the sake of his kids (who are now over 40 and over 30). He said sometimes you have to honor your responsibilities and stop thinking with your dick. He has been with his wife ever since although his kids have long been adults. I guess I was just smart enough to get out of my marriage before any damage was done.
As far as the dating scene I don't even date Americans anymore. After years of being stood up countless times and being bullshitted around I have come to the conclusion that they are just too full of shit for me. I would rather be with someone who can be with me for WHO I am and not WHAT I am or have. And I just never seemed to find that in American women or foreigners who have been patriated here.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important. [/QUOTE]One major problem is that people do not communicate before or after they enter a relationship. Usually one person just ASSUMES that the other person feels the same they do about something and vice-versa. Then when someone is new they are afraid to give an opposing opinion or idea to what the other person believes. Then over time their true feelings come out.
As far as women wanting to be the bread winners, I think that they would love having a man support them, however they want to have their own source of income as well so they can buy what the hell they want when they want it. I have a friend from Panama who married and American guy and moved here. It was all fun and frills at first until she finally woke up and realized that she had to go to her husband for everything from tapioca to tampons and was at his mercy because she did not have her own job or money. She now works as a cashier but her fairytale is over and she wants to go back to Panama.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.[/QUOTE]I have had nice cars all of my life. 2 Lexus, Cadillac, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo. Now that I'm 38 years old and could care less about impressing AWs, if the car I have now takes a turn for the worst then I will be more than happy to get a little 4 cylinder Corolla or Hyundai. I spend most of my time overseas anyway so why would I need to spend a lot of money on something that won't get much use. As far as buying a big ass house, how many rooms will actually get used? Bedroom, Kitchen, Family Room, Office. 4,000 sqft is totally unnecessary and just a show of American greed and waste.
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Manchild syndrome
There was a recent cover story in Macleans magazine (Canadian newsmagazine) entitled "How our boys are growing up to be underachieving men". Unfortunately broke absolutely no new ground, and talked about the 20something males who in fact would rather play on Xbox than get into a relationship. One point the article did say was how many males in their 20s and 30s have friends who have been married and absolutely screwed over, so they figure,
Why bother? If a girl wants a no commitment relationship, fine, but if she expects marriage, most guys view that as a one way ticket to hell, and who needs it?
It also points out what was somewhat tangentially mentioned, that since most young guys now figure they don't have an advantage until they are at least 40, might as well wait.
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Old age hath still its honor and its toil (Tennyson)
[QUOTE=Furysys; 1114641]There was a recent cover story in Macleans magazine (Canadian newsmagazine) entitled "How our boys are growing up to be underachieving men". Unfortunately broke absolutely no new ground, and talked about the 20something males who in fact would rather play on Xbox than get into a relationship. One point the article did say was how many males in their 20s and 30s have friends who have been married and absolutely screwed over, so they figure,
Why bother? If a girl wants a no commitment relationship, fine, but if she expects marriage, most guys view that as a one way ticket to hell, and who needs it?
It also points out what was somewhat tangentially mentioned, that since most young guys now figure they don't have an advantage until they are at least 40, might as well wait. [/QUOTE]Coincidentally, an article about an American legend in [u]The Economist[/u], January 13th:
[url=http://www.economist.com/node/17906009?story_id=17906009]Playboy: Bunny Hop[/url]
84 years old, and that luscious blonde is his new fiancee!
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Do women want to be the breadwinners? I'd agree with DJ, they generally do not.
I think these days what most women want is a guy to pay all the basic bills, and then have some little part time job of which they will keep all the money and spend it on whatever they damn well please, leaving all the heavy lifting to the man.
I just can't for the life of me figure out why any man would be so stupid as to let themselves get taken advantage of in that way.
I'm twice married and twice divorced exactly for those reasons. This whole "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too" mentality sickens me. And to me in a LTR sex is shared between the two people, NOT something the guy has to keep paying for. I can get companionship from my friends any time I want it, and to me in Colombia sex has the very real value of $20-30USD a pop, if not cheaper...
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Examples of financially fair relationships to me.
Booty call- both parties offer each other sex. They may or may not be friends apart from the booty call element of the relationship. NO romance is permitted in a booty call. If there are costs like hotel room etc it is split evenly. If there is dinner it's split evenly or dutch. If for some reason they sleep cuddled up afterwards, they fight about who has to sleep in the wet spot :P.
Fuckbuddies- two friends who decide that they can fuck each other. There may be some affection shown but it is understood that it's not an LTR and will not interfere with other relationships in either party's life. Financial arrangements same as above.
One night stand- generally they get drunk and / or high and then go somewhere and fuck. This can be in a hotel or in a park / bathroom / alleyway whatever. One party may pay the hotel room if she or he so wishes without being considered a chump :P HOWEVER, guys who flood women with alcohol in the hopes of scoring with them have very low kill rates. If a girl at all likes you she doesn't need to get smashed to be with you :P.
BF / GF relationship- both parties pay their own basic living expenses and both should contribute to the cost of going out together. It's not a big deal who pays for what (nor should it necessarily be among non-romantic relationships with one's friends) as long as it doesn't approach 100% on either side of the equation. In Latin culture whoever invites pays. The words in Spanish are actually synonymous. So both parties if they really like each other do their share of "inviting". It's fine if one person has a lot more money than the other that he or she invites more frequently, but once again it shouldn't be near or at 100% either ever.
Living together- both parties contribute to the basic living expenses, preferably equally. In cases where one party makes significantly more than the other, the one who makes less should still be putting a good chunk of his or her money towards the basics, as in most of it. If the income differential is large, the one who makes more money should be contributing more towards the cost of going out together, if not, it should be more or less equal. No adult should be covering another adult's expenses for post-secondary education, gym membership, or plastic surgery.
Any woman not willing to adhere to those conditions is not with you because she really likes you, she's there for the $$$. That simple.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1114568]True to a point, but sometimes this board is overtly negative. Not every woman no matter her origin is out for permanent resident status ONLY. Some women want to stay AND find an American Husband because that's what she wants, nothing else too it.
In reality my ex cost me very little. You can say it was because she was a BBW if you want, but she paid the majority of the bills (she made more) and I paid the rest. She never ask for much and her parents never hinted she wanted "more" than she was getting so as far as I understand that subject never came up. The only [i]more[/i] She wanted was a wedding ring and marriage.
How long does it take to compute this ratio? Bar girls in Tijuana cost $60 per incident, if she becomes a favorite (or however you say it in Spanish) it could cost you virtually nothing, but maybe an evening out dancing. With the exchange rate being what it is, what you say makes sense. But that being said, this girl is likely not going to remember your birthday (your GF / Wife will) or buy you stuff at Christmas, take you on trips, etc. Frankly I don't know where some of you guys meet the women you do and I'm not one to say you must to have been done dirty to feel the way you do, but either you hooked up with penny pinching women or broke women or women that just didn't give two shits about you while you missed all the obvious signs.
True, if that's all you want is sex, then P4P is best case scenario when accessible, legally. You don't use P4P for companionship some people do, a dog or cat is cheaper. That's if you want to be by yourself most of the time. I wasn't under the impression that most of us on this broad are loners, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Maybe most of you would like to roam around the world, screwing different women along the way until your too old to do so and then hope you can find some nurse from a 3rd world country to take care of you in old age. I personally don't know ONE person with that fantasy. Most people I know want to get married and are frustrated by the dating scene in the United States.
Like I said I wanted to refrain from talking about LTR in this thread because its just not popular, it a place to vent about AW, even if the same vent has been repeated a dozen times before.
How do you know if a woman is interested in you only materially? Some things show up on date #1, other times you won't know until you go shopping for a house but that likely means you never talked about a home before you married her, so you don't know where she stands.
I still think even with the changing landscape of workplace that Western Women do NOT want to be the Bread Winners. That means YOU as the Man determine the lifestyle you lead and if she agrees too it, then you'll have no problems. I think what happen is many Men assume (not ask) what type of lifestyle they want to lead, they believe its not important. Well I do believe its important.
I've come to the conclusion we won't be driving Benz's and Bimmers or have a 4, 000 sq ft home, not because I can't afford it when the time comes but because I don't need it and rather invest money elsewhere. Now if the woman I'm with agrees to this, then we don't have complaints about not having a larger home or having expensive to maintain cars, opulent lifestyle, etc.
We work as a unit or it doesn't work. If you can't find a American to buy into this, GO ELSEWHERE. [/QUOTE]To simplify, you should only have an LTR with a woman you can afford. If your thing is Chevy and hers is BMW, you can't afford her, period. Especially if Chevy is all you can afford in your own mind.
Maybe she talks a good game today, but you're still suspicious. If you think she may evolve to lifestyle choices that are beyond your willingness, let alone ability to pay for, better do your best to smoke that out.
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See this is what I'm talking about, why the fuck can't SHE get her own goddamn BMW? Suck dicks or kill people to get it if she has to, but not beg another adult human being's money for it.
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There probably is not a man on the planet who wouldn't want to be Hugh Hefner. At least have his empire and his chicks. I hope to be bangin an ultra-hot broad when I'm 84, too.
[QUOTE=Westy; 1114682]Coincidentally, an article about an American legend in [u]The Economist[/u], January 13th:
[url=http://www.economist.com/node/17906009?story_id=17906009]Playboy: Bunny Hop[/url]
84 years old, and that luscious blonde is his new fiancee! [/QUOTE]
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Hugh Hefner has got his own set of problems.
Many people hate Hugh Hefner. Me, on the other hand, neither envy nor hate. Sure he has probably had more beautifull women and pussy then your average could ever imagine.
Once you bang one hot cutie and have a totally awesome experiene each experience thereafter is just an attempt of a chase repeat. Why not. The bottom line with Hugh Hefner is that his new wife will gain more from marrying him and going down in history as yet another one Hughes many ladies. He knows in his heart she is not there for him but only what she can gain. Besides he is impotent. I am sure given all the spectacular science he can get erections.
In conclusion, Hugh is just another man with the same heartache as you and I have. Sure hes banged more pussy than most but so what. In the end we all stop breathing the same way Hugh will.
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I Second That
[QUOTE=Cyberdas;1111255]Hey Hairy Wonder, I agree with most of what you said and I also admire your un-political correctness. However, as a member of a minority group (hispanic) I have to say that if it's going that bad for the straight, white guy then what living chance in hell do we, straight, colored guys have in Sex Prison USA? I don't mean to start any quarrels here or anything like that, but I just thought that if anyone really had a better chance at things in this country, it was white guys (of all stripes and walks of life). It's you guys that I mostly see on tv, movies, music bands, etc. Usually, also, playing the role of the smart ones, the saviors, the superheroes, the bad asses, etc. But hey, you guys are the last line of defense we, all straight (regardless of skin color) guys have in this feminazi-dominate country. Funny thing is that throughout most of my travels in Latin America, I notice how much you white, (regardless of sexual orientation) guys are so looked-up upon. The treatment you guys receive over there is far better than anything I can imagine for myself, in spite of being originally from there as well. So go figure, how much of a chance can I have in what still remains of this great nation? Dunno, it's tough as nails. That's all I can say. Regardless of my (ongoing) higher education and how I carry myself out, all the stereotypes apply to me. It's like I'm guilty of everything before proven innocent. At least you white guys (usually) don't have that extra burden to worry about (and thankfully so!). But once I know you guys don't represent anything in your own country, then I will definitely know it's time for me to jump ship and head south of the border. Just my two-centavos worth, mi amigo![/QUOTE]
I agree with Cyberdas. I think that allot of white guys just are not aware of how many privileges available to them. But I have noticed here in the Bay Area how allot of women turn there nose up at many white guys in many social circles. Leading me to wonder what chance if any do men of color have.
Nevertheless what I have noticed recently through reading Businessweek and Wallstreet Journal is that white men are screwing over other white men on a large scale. From the bank bailout, outsourcing of jobs, laying off of workers, lack of funding to education,...etc white guys are getting screwed over by guys that look just like themselves nowadays.
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"The Manipulated Man"
I came across a link to this, from one of the Stickman website "reader submission" articles.
A very sharp, informative essay from years ago. Even more trenchant, in that it's written by a woman, Esther Vilar, an Argentinian by birth, who saw society in a very different light from the "politically correct".
From the introduction:
[quote=Esther Vilar]Over thirty-five years have passed since the first publication of my book The Manipulated Man - a pamphlet written in great anger against the women's movement's worldwide monopoly of opinion. The determination with which those women portrayed us as victims of men not only seemed humiliating but also unrealistic. If someone should want to change the destiny of our sex - a wish I had then as I have today - then that someone should attempt to do so with more honesty. And possibly also with a little humor.
People often ask me if I would write this book again. Well, I find it right and proper to have done so. But seen from today's perspective, my courage in those days may only be attributable to a lack of imagination. Despite all I wrote, I could not really imagine the power I was up against. It seemed that one is only allowed to criticize women on the quiet - especially as a woman - and could only expect agreement behind closed doors.
However, I had also underestimated men's fear of reevaluating their position. Yet the more sovereignty they are losing in their professional lives - the more automatic their work, the more controlled by computers they become, the more that increasing unemployment forces them to adopt obsequious behavior towards customers and superiors - then the more they have to be afraid of a recognition of their predicament.
I hadn't imagined broadly enough the isolation I would find myself in after writing this book. Nor had I envisaged the consequences which it would have for my subsequent writing and even for my private life - violent threats have not ceased to this date. A woman who defended the arch-enemy - who didn't equate domestic life with solitary confinement and who described the company of young children as a pleasure, not a burden - necessarily had to become a 'misogynist', even a 'reactionary' and 'fascist' in the eyes of the public.
In other words, if I had known then what I know today, I probably wouldn't have written this book. And that is precisely the reason why I am so glad to have written it. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the handful of people who have stood up for me and my work. Typically, most of them were women. [/quote]
Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
[url=http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf]The Manipulated Man[/url]
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[QUOTE=Westy; 1115911]I came across a link to this, from one of the Stickman website "reader submission" articles.
A very sharp, informative essay from years ago. Even more trenchant, in that it's written by a woman, Esther Vilar, an Argentinian by birth, who saw society in a very different light from the "politically correct".
From the introduction:
Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
[url=http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf]The Manipulated Man[/url][/QUOTE]I love the excerpt from The Manipulated Man
"If a young man gets married, and starts a family and spends the rest of hise life
Working at a soul-destroying job, he is held up as an example of virtue and
Responsibility. The other type of man, living only for himself, working only for himself,
Doing first one thing and then another simply because he enjoys it and because he
Has to keep only himself, sleeping where and when he wants, and facing woman
When he meets her on equal terms and not as one of a million slaves, is rejected by
Society The free, unshackled man has no place in its midst"
Sums me right up. Good stuff
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[quote=The Manipulated Man]The other type of man, living only for himself, working only for himself, doing first one thing and then another simply because he enjoys it and because he has to keep only himself, sleeping where and when he wants, and facing woman when he meets her on equal terms and not as one of a million slaves, is rejected by Society. The free, unshackled man has no place in its midst."[/quote]When you brought this up, Gfechaser, it reminded me of another quote along the same lines:
[quote=John Galt]I swear - by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.[/quote]
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Thanks!
[QUOTE=Westy; 1115911]. Jackson, I hope you will be so kind as to leave this link intact.
[url=http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf]The Manipulated Man[/url][/QUOTE]Good post!
-Helpmann :)
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1114743]Examples of financially fair relationships to me.
Booty call- both parties offer each other sex. They may or may not be friends apart from the booty call element of the relationship. NO romance is permitted in a booty call. If there are costs like hotel room etc it is split evenly. If there is dinner it's split evenly or dutch. If for some reason they sleep cuddled up afterwards, they fight about who has to sleep in the wet spot :P.
Fuckbuddies- two friends who decide that they can fuck each other. There may be some affection shown but it is understood that it's not an LTR and will not interfere with other relationships in either party's life. Financial arrangements same as above.
One night stand- generally they get drunk and / or high and then go somewhere and fuck. This can be in a hotel or in a park / bathroom / alleyway whatever. One party may pay the hotel room if she or he so wishes without being considered a chump :P HOWEVER, guys who flood women with alcohol in the hopes of scoring with them have very low kill rates. If a girl at all likes you she doesn't need to get smashed to be with you :P.
BF / GF relationship- both parties pay their own basic living expenses and both should contribute to the cost of going out together. It's not a big deal who pays for what (nor should it necessarily be among non-romantic relationships with one's friends) as long as it doesn't approach 100% on either side of the equation. In Latin culture whoever invites pays. The words in Spanish are actually synonymous. So both parties if they really like each other do their share of "inviting". It's fine if one person has a lot more money than the other that he or she invites more frequently, but once again it shouldn't be near or at 100% either ever.
Living together- both parties contribute to the basic living expenses, preferably equally. In cases where one party makes significantly more than the other, the one who makes less should still be putting a good chunk of his or her money towards the basics, as in most of it. If the income differential is large, the one who makes more money should be contributing more towards the cost of going out together, if not, it should be more or less equal. No adult should be covering another adult's expenses for post-secondary education, gym membership, or plastic surgery.
Any woman not willing to adhere to those conditions is not with you because she really likes you, she's there for the $$$. That simple. [/QUOTE]I don't agree with this either / or statement, based on my current experiences as a no strings sex friend with a friendly, wildly passionate Peruana woman who likes both me and my money.
A single, attractive, relatively poor working (non hooker) latina woman in Peru or Colombia like my Lima favorite can enjoy the company and fucking a hotter young stud who has little money or offers her none because of his great personality, athletic body and great performance in bed. That doesn't mean she actually dislikes the company or dislikes fucking as well the other more aged foreign man in her life like myself who visits her on occasion and has a bit of dinero to share with her. It is very often the money factor that tips the balance, opens the legs and lubricates the pussy in the company of the moneyed man. In any fuckbuddy relationship she can have both.
Consider also that my sex friend would not fuck the older, somewhat less attractive guy (me) if he had no money to share, as she has limited time and having many choices and needs in her life. But, nor would she fuck me if I was very old, fat or ugly or a complete bore, even if I offered her 10x of the modest financial benefits that I provide to her. Given the many men who want to tap her pussy she will only choose those few that benefit her in some way, and in combination offer her the best total benefits for enjoyable companionship, personal sexual satisfaction, and familial financial security while allowing her to keep her personal sense of respect in herself intact.
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[QUOTE=Cuero99; 1116881]I don't agree with this either / or statement, based on my current experiences as a no strings sex friend with a friendly, wildly passionate Peruana woman who likes both me and my money.
A single, attractive, relatively poor working (non hooker) latina woman in Peru or Colombia like my Lima favorite can enjoy the company and fucking a hotter young stud who has little money or offers her none because of his great personality, athletic body and great performance in bed. That doesn't mean she actually dislikes the company or dislikes fucking as well the other more aged foreign man in her life like myself who visits her on occasion and has a bit of dinero to share with her. It is very often the money factor that tips the balance, opens the legs and lubricates the pussy in the company of the moneyed man. In any fuckbuddy relationship she can have both.
Consider also that my sex friend would not fuck the older, somewhat less attractive guy (me) if he had no money to share, as she has limited time and having many choices and needs in her life. But, nor would she fuck me if I was very old, fat or ugly or a complete bore, even if I offered her 10x of the modest financial benefits that I provide to her. Given the many men who want to tap her pussy she will only choose those few that benefit her in some way, and in combination offer her the best total benefits for enjoyable companionship, personal sexual satisfaction, and familial financial security while allowing her to keep her personal sense of respect in herself intact. [/QUOTE]Cuero, this does make good sense, and I've seen it before; not just in Latin America, either. The "sugar daddy / sugar baby" type of relationship has a long history in the USA and a longer history in Europe. Check out [u]Aretino's Dialogues[/u] For an example in Renaissance Italian literature.
A girl who 'dates' (let's put a discreet, respectable label on this) an older, moneyed 'gentleman' (another discreet label) for dinner & drinks, plus some nice 'gift' that he gives her 'every so often' (thank you, Thomas Bowdler!) , is able to keep her self-respect because "she's not doing it just for the money, after all." Her 'benefactor' likely had to pursue her a little, go out with her more than once before she 'let him have his way, ' and I don't doubt that every encounter has to be 'another date, ' with drinks and dinner and probably even some dancing before going back home to 'the main event. ' The 'nice gift' in the morning is presented in a face-saving manner, possibly referred to as 'cab fare home'. At least that's the way I played it with my inamorata, down in Paraguay, a few years ago.
I know at least one member of this board (not myself) who has sought out similar enjoyments, traveling around the USA. I would do it again myself, if I were staying longer-term in a country where the economy would permit me to 'keep a mistress' in this fashion.
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The sugar-daddy lifestyle
A little more to add to my last post:
The "Ashley Madison" web-site is perhaps the best-known forum for sugar-babies ISO sugar-daddies. There are others, but it's a good example. What kind of girl subscribes? Some 'pretty young thing' who isn't adverse to having an older, well-to-do 'boyfriend' or 'patron' who will give her (typically) financial support, in exchange for her affections.
But, she rationalizes, she's not taking on just anybody. She wants "a man she can look up to," with some semblance of romance; and she's looking for longer-term support. It may not be as blatant as cash money; she may want someone to pay the rent for a nice apartment, in exchange for having a key to her door and "taking her out" a couple of times a week. She may frame it as "help" with her schooling tuition, or "gifts" of a nature that isn't necessarily cash money. She is looking to be "kept," and she sees herself as a "mistress" rather than an out-and-out ho.
Of course, a guy has to be pretty well-off (in the local economy) to play this game."Sugar-Daddy Bigbucks" had also be pretty-well settled on "Ashley," which I'll use instead of the classic "Little Annie Fanny," suits him enough for the long-term that he's willing to put her "on retainer" (as it's called when you hire a lawyer like this; I think it's also a 'polite' term for hiring a mistress).
This can be workable if you're living in the same city, where you do have plenty of opportunities to get together with "Ashley" for the evening or for an Afternoon Delight. If you live in a different city, it's more trouble and far less certain. If you live in the USA and she lives in the Third World, we call it "Western Union," with all that implies.
In some countries, you can get into a situation like this for a shorter term; where you meet up at a disco or pub,"hit it off," she comes back to the hotel with you, and both of you act like "you got lucky" in the "lust at first sight" mode. Next morning, you "give her a nice gift" and make plans to meet her that evening; you wine and dine her, same as you would a "regular girlfriend," your sex is more like "making love" than professional-style, and you may buy her pretty dresses and jewelry rather than just handing her a wad of currency. Of course, you still give her "cab fare home."
I actually like this pretty well. It salves my conscience, and hers; I like feeling like "a generous boyfriend" more than like "a trick"; it is more fun for me to "act romantic" ... my first lesson in Portuguese was learning the proper lyrics to "The Girl From Ipanema," so I could sing it to greet my new [i]carioca[/i] girlfriend when she showed up at the piano bar of my hotel (the Granados Park, in Asuncion) when she came in the door to meet me and my buddies. And it doesn't leave any long-term hurt, as long as I remember where she's going to be the night after my flight home: back in the "meet market" where I met her, looking for the next sugar-daddy. Western Union? Fuggetaboutit.
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Westy,
I'll admit mine is a WU girl, but the donations have been irregular. 3 separate requests totaling around $400 over the past year since the first "urgent" request. At under $40 monthly that is not a lot for me but I admit the ROI is a bit questionable since unless I relocate to Lima I can only visit a few times a year. If the demands escalate at all I am ready to say no.
But I enjoy the feeling of being with a happy, sensual woman who kisses passionately like I'm a long lost lover, this goes for as much as 30 to 40 minutes before the main event to the point it is hard to pull away from her to fully undress ourselves for the main event and I'm not used to that! That kind of experience can be very hard or impossible to find in most P4P settings, although many of the Medellin Colombia prepago paisas really surprised me last year when I got a taste of them with similar kind of DFK and hot, urgent non-mechanical sex.
My Lima friend is also a great conversationalist and we can just hang out and chat for hours and I don't get bored which is rare.
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Cuero,
I haven't done Western Union, but I have paid a dentist in Asuncion to perform about $300 of dental work for a chica with a great smile and bloody-toothbrush problems. Full course of gingival treatment, some fillings, and a dental implant to replace a broken bicuspid that was in a position to spoil everything; pre-paid to the dental clinic, so she wouldn't be able to blow the money on something else. Romantic, eh? But when I returned in eight months, she was VERY proud to show me the "perfect tooth" where there had been a disfiguring gap.
Your WU bill is not so bad. You aren't trying to support her long-distance; it sounds as though she only asks you for help when she really needs it, rather than sitting around with her friends dreaming up "emergencies" to tap your wallet. It also sounds as though you're getting a delightful ROI. Being able to hang out and chat for hours and hours, plus a woman who loves to play tongue-tag as long and as well as you describe. She sounds like she's worth a lot more than the average run-of-the-bedroom P4P contractor.
I made up my mind about "no Western Union" when I started mongering, down in Paraguay. I'd heard enough stories from my fellow mongers that I decided I would be generous while I'm in town - "but once the plane climbs out, cara mia, you're on your own." Your situation, as you describe it, leaves me thinking that I might have missed out on some wonderful experiences by taking that hard-line stance.
Good luck, have fun, and be true to your own nature -
Westy
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Thinking of putting a long distance ho on Western Union?
Don't! You'll get nothing back on your investment or very little at best. The thought of paying a retainer to reserve your very own little parking space in her pussy pen might sound very appealing, exclusive and trendy even. However, once you get past the euphoria you'll see it makes about as much sense as renting a seaside villa year round on some exotic Caribbean island hideaway while you reside in some frigid corner of North America. Sure you might actually get to visit and use the villa once or twice a year. The rest of the time you're not there strangers are entering and squatting in the villa you're paying maintenance and service fees on. Now compare that to paying for a really nice suite in an upscale hotel where you only pay for the nights you occupy it and for the amenities you use during your stay. It is a much better deal than the former arrangement isn't it?
Sending Western Union remittances to women over long distance will not make them any more loyal or less inclined to fuck others during your absence. Doing so puts you at risk for being financially exploited. If you want to see the same ho again then show her a good time when you're there. It will increase the odds of seeing her again. Save yourself the pain of sending money until your next annual vacation only to have her disappear or come up with some emergency reason for not being able to meet with you. Every time you think of sending a ho money by Western Union imagine yourself alone in your hotel room with your hard dick in one hand and a phone with a busy tone in the other.
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American Mom Murders Kids With Two Shots To The Head
This AW executed her kids with extreme prejudice. She didn't just shoot them in the head. She shot them in the face! One can only imagine what she had in store for the husband had he been present at the time.
[url]http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/28/police-army-wife-julie-powrs-schenecker-killed-kids-for-being/[/url]
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Reply to Chocha on Westen Union
Chocha,
To each his own. To me its about ROI, placing the value and enjoyment I get out of her company vs my WU investment. If I find the ROI is not adequate then I say no and move on. If she was asking me for a routine $100 a month for free rent or something like that in exchange for being "faithful" which seems more like the scenario you describe it wouldn't be happening: that would be too much money being invested for too little irregular return in a false premise. Like us men I think very few of these women are faithful no matter what they say unless they have no other options, and I am not looking for faithfulness anyway.
Of course there is the risk of financially being exploited but the same is true with any male-female relationship. You just have to keep your eyes open and think with your big head. But that is not much different as when you meet a hot 9 at a strip club and she asks for 2x the going rate to take her back to your place for what is likely to be a disappointing session, and you have to use a bit of discipline to say no. What I do know is that I get with my WU gal something that I would be unlikely to receive from the strip club pro: fantastic passionate sexual experiences at a level that is hard to find with any P4P regular. Even though she is a 7. 5 in looks, we are 9 to 10 in personal mutual chemistry and fun. How much of her excitement and pussy wetness derives from my generosity who knows but I do enjoy it.
So far for me no harm, no foul and no regrets.
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Playing The Pussy Market
[QUOTE=Cuero99; 1117646]Chocha,
To each his own. To me its about ROI, placing the value and enjoyment I get out of her company vs my WU investment. If I find the ROI is not adequate then I say no and move on. If she was asking me for a routine $100 a month for free rent or something like that in exchange for being "faithful" which seems more like the scenario you describe it wouldn't be happening: that would be too much money being invested for too little irregular return in a false premise. Like us men I think very few of these women are faithful no matter what they say unless they have no other options, and I am not looking for faithfulness anyway.
Of course there is the risk of financially being exploited but the same is true with any male-female relationship. You just have to keep your eyes open and think with your big head. But that is not much different as when you meet a hot 9 at a strip club and she asks for 2x the going rate to take her back to your place for what is likely to be a disappointing session, and you have to use a bit of discipline to say no. What I do know is that I get with my WU gal something that I would be unlikely to receive from the strip club pro: fantastic passionate sexual experiences at a level that is hard to find with any P4P regular. Even though she is a 7. 5 in looks, we are 9 to 10 in personal mutual chemistry and fun. How much of her excitement and pussy wetness derives from my generosity who knows but I do enjoy it.
So far for me no harm, no foul and no regrets. [/QUOTE]Cuero,
I realize that you're using calculated cash disbursements to incentive pussy wetness and performance. I was just pointing out that such investments in the pussy market are highly speculative and involve significant risk of loss regardless of individual tolerance for financial loss. Of course, the only way to determine if indeed an ROI exists is to deny a request for cash disbursement then observe if her pussy recalibrates to lower moisture levels and performance becomes less energetic.
Each case has it's own set of variables due to personality and individual circumstance. However, the evidence out there seems to indicate that it generally does not benefit the men in such relationships. My own experience with economic aid indicates that it only makes sense when one is able to reap the benefits frequently. Collecting benefits frequently maintains an implicit link between the incentive and expected performance. Inconsistent use of the benefits may lead the provider to conclude that the economic aid comes without any expectations on the part of the donor, especially in long distance relationships. This is true both in G8 and Third World countries.
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I"m with Choca on this one.
I get what you're saying Westy and Cuero but I just think it's too much mess and too undefined, those types of situations.
I think a straight money-for-sex exchange benefits both the payer and the payee. Both parties know what they are giving and what they are receiving.
Some people call leaving things undefined "romance". I personally don't think romance has anything to do with it. There's nothing wrong with surprising one of your regular hos with a box of chocolates or something. As a matter of fact I think something like that would have MORE romantic impact because it's not an expected part of the game. Obviously it has to be when the occasion really merits it.
Which is really what I have a problem with, the EXPECTATIONS and ENTITLEMENT mentality of people in relationships, obviously women in this world have a lot to complain about too. Men often want them faithful and waiting for them with a hot meal whenever they choose to show up at home, and Goddess forbid that they ever fuck someone else, meanwhile the guy is out chasing every last piece of pussy that comes within half a mile of him.
The other thing is, for fucks sake, don't be fat, don't let yourself get bald, don't be ignorant, be a good dancer, be good in bed, learn culture, learn to hold your liquor without making a fool of yourselves. The typical North American male focuses 99. 99% on making $$$$ and lets ALL the rest of this go to shit.
I'd rather be the good-looking lover for these women than the sugar daddy any day of the year, and so would all of you!
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1117667]Cuero,
I realize that you're using calculated cash disbursements to incentive pussy wetness and performance. I was just pointing out that such investments in the pussy market are highly speculative and involve significant risk of loss regardless of individual tolerance for financial loss. Of course, the only way to determine if indeed an ROI exists is to deny a request for cash disbursement then observe if her pussy recalibrates to lower moisture levels and performance becomes less energetic.
Each case has it's own set of variables due to personality and individual circumstance. However, the evidence out there seems to indicate that it generally does not benefit the men in such relationships. My own experience with economic aid indicates that it only makes sense when one is able to reap the benefits frequently. Collecting benefits frequently maintains an implicit link between the incentive and expected performance. Inconsistent use of the benefits may lead the provider to conclude that the economic aid comes without any expectations on the part of the donor, especially in long distance relationships. This is true both in G8 and Third World countries. [/QUOTE]And there's a substantial penalty for early withdrawal. ;)
Okay, I'm being an asshole with that remark. I didn't mean it to insult ... not really.
CM, BC, I see the sense in your remarks. As for my situation (the girl with pyorrhea), I wasn't thinking so much as my future ROI as I was about "she has a beautiful smile and it would be a shame if she just let it go to hell - as it will without professional intervention." For the record, we traded e-mail addresses, and she did come on to me asking for Western Union (which I ignored). Then, when I got back to Asuncion, she was quite enthusiastic at first, but she got greedy and demanding; when she reached the "Enough!" level, I threw her back into the pond and finished my last night with two of her 'colleagues' at the disco where we'd met in the first place. My first threesome, and I wore those poor girls out! I haven't done anything like that "sugar-daddy" behavior, since.
BC, I wish I could take all of your advice. I'm certainly not lean, though I'm reasonably fit and I take care of myself. I have been bald since age 30, and there's nothing I can do about that. I don't "know all the moves" on the dance floor, but I don't dance like I'm ashamed of it (a common problem). I'm fairly capable in Spanish and I work at learning more every trip. I am interested in the culture of anyplace I visit. I like my beer, I like my rum, but I'm cautious of the stuff and I don't get drunk when I go out to the night spots. I use my ears a lot more than I use my mouth. I work hard at not being a jerk, though I have no confidence in my ability to avoid it....
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Dude, I wish *I* could take all of my advice.
But another thing, I notice as I put more and more energy into my appearance and other non-money elements that will attract, I get better treatment even from the pros! Think of it as a point system, you may never have a full head of hair, but you can have an amazing body if you put a little effort into it, you can dress to the nines (highly underrated in many parts of the world) , and the best part, all of this is FUN, the trick is balancing all of this with bringing home the bacon, of course.
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$240, 000 a year is not enough for this hoe
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck
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He's not alone! I have no sympathy for this fool or for the rest of professional athletes that fuck leaches like this without condoms. Damn what's the going price for a pack of 12 condoms $6.
[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi; 1120061]ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi; 1120061]ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) —Orlando guard Gilbert Arenas (notes) was served with child support and custody papers as he left the court during halftime of the Magic's loss to Miami on Thursday night.
The court documents, obtained by The Associated Press, were a California petition filed by Laura Mendoza Govan. She identified herself as his ex-girlfriend in the documents.
The petition seeks custody and child support for three children that Govan says Arenas fathered and has since 'financially cut off. ' She is also seeking support for another unborn child, as well as monthly support for the other children.
And the petition, she is seeking $109, 000 in monthly support payments from Arenas and $1. 3 million annually.
'I don't pay much attention to it because this is who she is as a person, ' he said. 'It's sad that it has to be in the public's eye. She gets money. I mean when a girl asks for $100, 000 a month and you say no, that doesn't mean you're cut off. You're still getting 20. . That's the thing that bothers me. She tells the world that she's not getting money. She gets $20, 000 a month. '
Sad. Man read Arenas quote. USA chicks suck[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue], what do you expect when you mess around with Western women? LOL. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. Women like this have been screwing over men like this for years. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]
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The Man Song
I heard this song for the first time today. While it makes you laugh, it also points out how I think most men with American women for wives / girlfriends feel. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdf9-hRt410&feature=BF&list=PL73A3E46A52BEBF5E&index=67[/url] Give it a listen and see what you think.
HW
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[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder; 1121972]I heard this song for the first time today. While it makes you laugh, it also points out how I think most men with American women for wives / girlfriends feel.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdf9-hRt410&feature=BF&list=PL73A3E46A52BEBF5E&index=67[/url]
Give it a listen and see what you think.
HW[/QUOTE]Sounds very true from what I have seen in USA. In Central Asia generally it is completely opposite, although there are exceptions of course.
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Marry an AW here's what you can expect.
Sad but unfortunately true.
[QUOTE]Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences.
Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting. [/QUOTE]
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"Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences. Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting. "
I do not understand why guys stay with women like this. Allot of guys say it is cheaper to keep her but time and freedom to do whatever you want is priceless. One should always get rid of a bad investment.
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[QUOTE=Gfechaser; 1123972]"Any wife that imposes celibacy on her husband should be prepared for the consequences. Amen, my brothers! In less than 10 years my wife and I have gone from having sex every 2-3 days, to once a week, to once a month, to once a year, to not at all last year. While it used to really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, I've been with 5 different providers in the past year, and I have no intentions of stopping. While I don't care for the sneaking about, hobby phones, and computer encryption software, she can't possibly think for a second that I'm doing without. She doesn't ask, and I don't tell. Funny thing is, she costs me much more than the providers, regularly rolling up bills of almost a thousand dollars a week shopping, dining out with her friends, travel, and continually denting up her cars. She's the most expensive piece of ass on the planet that I'm not getting."
I do not understand why guys stay with women like this. Allot of guys say it is cheaper to keep her but time and freedom to do whatever you want is priceless. One should always get rid of a bad investment. [/QUOTE]If they say its "cheaper to keep her" they need a better divorce lawyer.
If you have kids its going to cost you, if she's a stay at home mom, its going to cost, you. Face up to it, at least you'll have most of your free time to yourself and to pursue other women.
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Clubbing in California
Hello, Mongers. I rarely go out in the States any more but a friend of mine was playing in a band at a local club so I went. I am 55 (look 45) reasonably handsome and in good health although admittedly could drop about 20 pounds but still light on my feet. Lots of twenty-and thirty-something hotties who turned out to be biotches as usual. Even the fat and ugly ones wouldn't dance with me. I asked just as an experiment. All the time I was thinking if I were in Asia, not only would I be dancing with the hottest chicks in the joint but would take the cutest and bustiest one home with me. I used to get laid everytime I went out when I was in my 20s and 30s but it is all downhill after that. I am so glad to be going to Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam where the women treat me like I was 20 again. It sucks 40 in America. Not only do the biotches have fat asses but they are rude to boot. I wouldn't marry an AW even if she was hot and rich because the baggage is more than United Airlines.
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Great article and Plenty of fish
I've been back on plentyoffish.com doing the online dating thing. It hasn't gone well, even though it claims to be the largest dating site in the world. I've spent a good amount of time writing and rewriting my profile, adding and deleting pics, having friendgirls critique my profile and pics, racking my brain for cute / witty things to say in emails, and so far : nada. A couple of girls wrote back, and then after the 2nd or 3rd email it ended. I didn't even get a dang phone number. My theory : I think that because its free, women put up a profile just for the hell of it but don't actually follow through. They get some emails, have a laugh, but soon forget about it since it's not costing them money. Its a fact that once you commit to pay for something, you become more vested in it.
So its back to pay sites for me, probably match. Com, italian singles (though it hasn't worked that great in the past) and possibly a 3rd site.
So, because I'm quite mature, I :
a) deleted all my pics, put up one of Rocco Siffredi
b) changed my title to "Why you're not married"
c) copied and pasted the following article entitled "Why you're not married" into my profile.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html[/url]
In 12 hours 3 women have already written to me- that's one more than in the past 2 months ! I haven't read the messages, I doubt I will. I'm sure they're full of man-hating and how I'm an asshole, etc :)
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I'm on POF and can honestly say that I've never seen so many fat, ugly, desperate women in my life.
Every once in awhile I open my mail there just to confirm the above and then sock some more money away for my international trips.
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme; 1124754]I've been back on plentyoffish. Com doing the online dating thing. It hasn't gone well, even though it claims to be the largest dating site in the world. I've spent a good amount of time writing and rewriting my profile, adding and deleting pics, having friendgirls critique my profile and pics, racking my brain for cute / witty things to say in emails, and so far : nada. A couple of girls wrote back, and then after the 2nd or 3rd email it ended. I didn't even get a dang phone number. My theory : I think that because its free, women put up a profile just for the hell of it but don't actually follow through. They get some emails, have a laugh, but soon forget about it since it's not costing them money. Its a fact that once you commit to pay for something, you become more vested in it.
So its back to pay sites for me, probably match. Com, italian singles (though it hasn't worked that great in the past) and possibly a 3rd site.
So, because I'm quite mature, I :
A) deleted all my pics, put up one of Rocco Siffredi.
Be) changed my title to "Why you're not married"
See) copied and pasted the following article entitled "Why you're not married" into my profile.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html[/url]
In 12 hours 3 women have already written to me- that's one more than in the past 2 months! I haven't read the messages, I doubt I will. I'm sure they're full of man-hating and how I'm an asshole, etc. [/QUOTE]
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Is yelling a new thing?
I have not been to USA for awhile. Recently came there for some time.
2 days ago one friend called me and said lets go out drinking, check out girls, etc. I did not care much about girls here, since it is bullshit anyways, but I went with him since did not see him for a long time.
I guess my friend hoped to pick up some girls. He tried to talk to several groups of girls. Mostly college girls I believe.
About 4 out of 5 girls groups showed a pretty much similar behavior. When he talked to a group of girls, their "leader" girl yelled very loudly (so the whole street would hear) at him "get off me" or "get away" and similar stuff.
Is it something new? I have not been out in USA for a while, so I cannot recall that such yelling at a guy who tries to talk to be so popular.
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A few very strange things happened since I posted:
-it turns out a girl who I thought I had made a good connection with wrote back to me and excused herself for not getting back to me sooner and gave me her number. The fact that she hadn't responded in over a week had really pissed me off and was the tipping point for me saying screw it and making the changes I did.
-the fact that she wrote back inspired me, so I put my pics back up yesterday but kept the article as the profile. I wrote to about 30 girls and 2 of them responded immediately, including one who is gorgeous. And they mentioned my profile in ther email to me. So putting up an article critical of women got them to answer! Yes!
- about an hour later, feeling confident and positive, I'm getting ready to write to a whole new batch of girls when a girl (who I had not contacted) wrote to me and told me 6 other guys are using that same text in their profile and where did I get it from?
FUCK! I find something that works after having given up, and now I have to change it so I don't look like a rip-off artist only ONE FUCKING HOUR after finding out it woks. DAMMITTTTTTT!
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1124984]I'm on POF and can honestly say that I've never seen so many fat, ugly, desperate women in my life.
Every once in awhile I open my mail there just to confirm the above and then sock some more money away for my international trips. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme; 1125373]A few very strange things happened since I posted:
-it turns out a girl who I thought I had made a good connection with wrote back to me and excused herself for not getting back to me sooner and gave me her number. The fact that she hadn't responded in over a week had really pissed me off and was the tipping point for me saying screw it and making the changes I did.
-the fact that she wrote back inspired me, so I put my pics back up yesterday but kept the article as the profile. I wrote to about 30 girls and 2 of them responded immediately, including one who is gorgeous. And they mentioned my profile in ther email to me. So putting up an article critical of women got them to answer! Yes!
- about an hour later, feeling confident and positive, I'm getting ready to write to a whole new batch of girls when a girl (who I had not contacted) wrote to me and told me 6 other guys are using that same text in their profile and where did I get it from?
FUCK! I find something that works after having given up, and now I have to change it so I don't look like a rip-off artist only ONE FUCKING HOUR after finding out it woks. DAMMITTTTTTT! [/QUOTE]LOL! I promise I am not among those 6 other guys, even tho I have read the article and found it interesting.
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I think your friend was going in way too aggressive and obvious, with the result that the girls freaked out. The only time a girl ever said something like that to me was a king-size **** from work who hated me . She yelled it to me after an end-of-the-year party. She was friends with a lot of hot girls from work and I was approaching their group in the parking lot to find out where they were going after.
One of my big regrets is not putting that ugly **** (and another coworker) in their place when I left. The things I should have said to her.
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Point is, your friend was being a creeper or is just not smooth. It takes balls and composure to approach groups of women succesfully. I can do it, but it took a lot of practice.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1125112]I have not been to USA for awhile. Recently came there for some time.
2 days ago one friend called me and said lets go out drinking, check out girls, etc. I did not care much about girls here, since it is bullshit anyways, but I went with him since did not see him for a long time.
I guess my friend hoped to pick up some girls. He tried to talk to several groups of girls. Mostly college girls I believe.
About 4 out of 5 girls groups showed a pretty much similar behavior. When he talked to a group of girls, their "leader" girl yelled very loudly (so the whole street would hear) at him "get off me" or "get away" and similar stuff.
Is it something new? I have not been out in USA for a while, so I cannot recall that such yelling at a guy who tries to talk to be so popular. [/QUOTE]
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s&feature=related[/url]
Eddie Murphy said it right 25 years ago.
American women will completely change your foreign wife! (starts at about 1:18)
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Being without companionship is tough
I could imagine it even tougher if you didn't have many friends to socialize with or didn't see your family much or all your family was either far away or even dead which becomes a reality once you hit about 50 or so.
That said, I've been saying it for months POF is the ultimate trash heap. Because its free as Cherchezfemme said there's no incentive to invest time / energy / effort into it by the women. The women who actually pay might be seriously looking for somebody but man you don't want them, they look like. Have kids usually or have some type of lifestyle that has prevented them from finding a man in the first place.
Any really good looking woman that is single and is on POF should automatically raise a red flag and good luck getting in contact with her.
Her inbox is overflowing I'm sure.
So what are you left with? You poor SOB (all of us) using Match or any other web site is not going to solve the problem.
I'll give you an example. In Los Angeles, there more Men than Women. In New York its the exact opposite, but the results are basically the same, why is that?
Its all the woman's fault! There is no other reason or excuse I can come up with.
On one hand they desire financial security but also demand that from men as well. That could mean almost anything. But if you work some manufacturing job, drive a truck, work at Walmart / Target, then you can kiss your chances of hooking up with a smart, attractive woman good bye.
Once you hit about 40, the younger women don't want anything to do with you. Which is interesting and I wonder about the sincerity of AW in general. Most women by 30 want to get married and have a family. Problem is, most men around 30 want that too, but from women younger than them. A man of 30 doesn't want a woman of 30-32, he wants a woman about 25-28, DUH.
Too me that means women should be open to most options by 25, but they aren't. Especially the ones that flock to major cities like LA, NYC, Chicago, Miami because they are seeking success, the kind they can't get back at home. That means being career minded and career focus. Dam Mother Nature and Dam Your Best Reproductive years. This is why IVF has shot through the roof the last decade or so.. [url]http://www.advancedfertility.com/ivf-age.htm[/url]
This allows women to delay child birth and delay serious relationships until their careers stabilize and mature, usually late 20's, early 30's.
But as you see by that stat, successful natural pregnancies goes down starting at 28 and really starts to take a nose dive after 32.
Not to mention is much harder to have your first child later in life than it is if you had children before.
All this Bullshit makes no fucking sense and while not everybody will get married and not everybody will have children, the vast majority of us will or you'll have low birth rates like you do in much of Europe. I'd say massive illegal immigration as staved off any discussion of low birth rates in America, but if you look inside the numbers the truth is birth rates for White Women and Black Women have declined since 1980, we now average 2. 1 children instead of 2. 2.
I find stuff like this very frustrating on all levels and now you can understand that even without this information, most people "settle" earlier which contributes to the high divorce rate.
Then you have various outlets trying to sell you on this career focused women who NOW want to find that man to have a family with. [url]http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-case-for-an-older-woman/[/url]
Or women pleading with other women to "settle" for Mr Good Enough which is what guys have been doing forever, we've seldom get exactly what we want, we "settle" for Ms Good Enough in many cases if not slightly less than that.
So why is it that Men are told to "take what you can get" and Women are allowed to have exactly what they want without compromise no matter what her circumstances are?
I think American Men are finally starting to wake up and see the deck is stacked against them. Low return rates on dating sites, older women past ideal pregnancy age, women with children from previous relationships, women so career focused that have no time for you even if they wanted to make time for you.
I've been saying for awhile on here but it seem everybody is focused on just finding random women to fuck. That's okay, but I think at the end of the day a vast majority of us that have no been burned by marriage or divorce would like to at least get married or find a girlfriend that doesn't drive them up a fricken wall.
At least much of Europe (and South America) is Family Friendly and I don't think anybody would dispute that. America is not even child friendly, relationship friendly, let alone family friendly, think about it.
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Let me be the first to deny it. Colombia is much more child-oriented than the US as a country but "family values" are deteriorating everywhere, thank the Goddess.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1125886]but "family values" are deteriorating everywhere, thank the Goddess.[/QUOTE]LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27; [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s[/url], a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that?
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So true
We get the hot chicks and now we won't settle check this out at 4:21
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPesKyIhGZg&feature=related[/url]
[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1125915]LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27;
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s[/url]
, a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that? [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1125915]LOL, that "thank the Goddess" caught me off-guard; I had forgotten of your peculiar views about family and such. .
Anyways, DJ Four, while being without companionship is obviously tough, as horrible as it might sound I'd still say it is better than being in a fucked-up relationship. It doesn't take much but a look around to see plenty of man-woman situations that'd give you the gooseskin if only you give it a thought. Does "psycotic, ever-unhappy moaning women" ring a bell? Here you go, @1:27;
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzKN2EeA4s[/url]
, a classic.
That kind of "sex and the city" wannabe women, what man in his right mind would ever want to deal with that shit? Many men would like to build around them an ideal relationship with a woman, but too often the difference between what it should be like and what it actually is like is hideous.
The link that you posted mentions how often guys tend to eventually settle down for "Miss Good Enough" rather than "Miss Perfect", I'll take it even further and state right here that men would even settle down for fuck-all! The shit I see my married friends take from their wives is ridiculous, they eventually give up trying because you can't argue with a woman, they take on commitments, go out of their way for her and (rightfully so) the babies, make their lives miserable as a result, just to try and make that beyotch happy so that she can give them back a bit of that happyness in return, just like a reflection; but come on, what kind of life is that? [/QUOTE]No I agree, but I think your missing the point that its a false choice. The choice shouldn't be a fucked up relationship or nothing at all or the fat chick with no attitude and decent upbringing vs a snobby but drop dead smok'in hot woman with a sense of entitlement second only to Za Za Gabor.
The link I posted is them "selling" men on dating "age appropriate". Meaning if your 30something instead of chasing around early 20somethings, you should looking at women around early to mid 30's because these are the ones serious about having a relationship.
I would say that's partly true. Its half true because social and biological pressure to be married is pretty high once you hit 30. Is it any wonder that most of them women saying "Marry Him!" or "The problem is you" are women already mid to late 30's and 40's themselves?
People see a problem its not just us, there are a few women who see a problem but of course its only after they hit about 36 or so.
I don't like be presented with a false choice and BC doesn't like children or cars, that's nothing new that doesn't mean we should follow his lead.
I want my own biological children and I want to live in a car friendly country.
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So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme; 1126475]So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up. [/QUOTE]Weight is something you can control, height is something you mostly cannot. I have heard of some people growing taller using HGH. Look at Stallone, he uses it, he looks a lot bigger and taller. Too bad those shots cost more than a new car.
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speechless!
or better yet i'd like to meet the * that injected her with the poison. (see clip)
[url]http://www.vladtv.com/video/38865/meet-the-worlds-youngest-feminist/[/url]
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[quote=panamapimpin; 1126585]speechless!
or better yet i'd like to meet the * that injected her with the poison. (see clip)
[url]http://www.vladtv.com/video/38865/meet-the-worlds-youngest-feminist/[/url][/quote]would you prefer having to pay for everything while she boffs the ups guy anyways? .
at least she'll have her own $$$
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks;1126538]Weight is something you can control, height is something you mostly cannot. I have heard of some people growing taller using HGH. Look at Stallone, he uses it, he looks a lot bigger and taller. Too bad those shots cost more than a new car.[/QUOTE]Not to mention he looks like a badly drawn cartoon character.
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The requirements of online american women daters are absolutely absurd. Most require a certain height, weight, hair color, eye color, dick size, income, car type, home location, tattoo, profession and of course catering to their every whim and wham. I shit you not! Ironically they are usually aging, fat ass, homely, boring and incessant self-centered blithering idiots who lost whatever sex appeal they had many years ago.
Even if she happens to be good looking, young and sexy she surely would not be interested in the likes of me. So I simply think about her sexier and available foreign equivalent to the continents East or South who I will be doinking in record time for much less cost and infinitely more fun. Sexy AWs have no clue when I smile at them that is what I am thinking about.
[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme; 1126475]So basically DJ4M has concluded, as I think most of us have, that it has become a vicious circle.
I do think there is truth to that conclusion but as with many things its not that simple.
Not for me anyway, because I have a handicap. I'm fat. I'm 6'2, 290. Even though I'm pretty muscular, I look like a bouncer at a strip club be / see I have a big gut. I've mentioned this before.
DJ you have also mentioned that you had a less-than-ideal situation.
In person, I'm good looking enough and charming enough (I hope I'm not deluding myself!) that if I really want to get laid I can, just not with women who attract me. If I want a makeout at a nightclub or a, I can get it (and have had it) from good-looking women. But it never goes anywhere.
In reference to the okcupid article : I have also found that older women shoot me down as much as younger.
The worst part is when I get no responses from women I have so much in common with. That really is the worst part about online dating: I've written to some women where we have similar jobs, the same interests, same ethnicity, same age, same location, education and. Nada.
So when women say its not all about looks, when it comes to online dating, bullsh! T.
Now when I finally lose some weight, we'll see what's up.
Also, like I mentioned in an earlier discussion, if I start college in the fall and I haven't lost significant weight, I'm going to have to spend a lot of money on suits and dress shirts be / see that'll be the only way I can compete physically with younger guys. I hope I can lose the weight, not only for myself but also be / see my ideal outfit is jeans, t-shirt, track jacket and sneakers.
You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that.
Another thing that bothers me is women who misinterpret something I write, and they misinterpret it in the most negative way. This last week alone here's 3 examples that happened:
Woman 1: responds to me 2x, then sees my messaging preferences states no one older than 32 should contact me, she's 36, so bye bye. EVEN though I wrote TO her. I told her that I set up my profile years ago, I forgot I had even set it. At the time, I was 32 so that was my limit. I'm 36 now.
Woman 2: I say I don't want smokers, this hot latina chick in her profile writes that she has a few cigs on Saturday nights after she's had a few drinks. She responds saying 'DIDN'T YOU READ MY PROFILE? ' I explain to her that to me she's not a smoker- hell sometimes I'll have a cigarette 2-3 a year. Never heard from her again.
Woman 3: I tell her the reason she has a lot of meatheads writing to her (she wrote it in her profile) is be / see she has a pic of her tramp stamp depicting 2 angels. GET THIS: she replies, 'Read my profile again, that is a tattoo dedicated to my father and cousin. No response required. '
Really? To honor your dead father, you have a tattoo done right above your ass-crack! So when a guy jizzes after doing you doggy-style, he can jizz all over your dead father's memory?
WTF?
It is impossible to make this stuff up. [/QUOTE]
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The perfect honeymoon for an American woman!
This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50,000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
[url=https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US]My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone)[/url]
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Eddie Murphy
[QUOTE=Jon32; 1125732][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s&feature=related[/url]
Eddie Murphy said it right 25 years ago.
American women will completely change your foreign wife! (starts at about 1:18) [/QUOTE]Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million!
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1126692]Not to mention he looks like a badly drawn cartoon character.[/QUOTE]I have to say HGH is something else, I am in my 40s but I am now in better shape than I was in my teens and twenties and its because of HGH, I also have noticed that I am now slightly taller, not by much but a few inches. My mental sharpness and sex drive resembles that of a 20 year old rather than a man pushing 50. Having a few inches of height always helps when it comes to the ladies, and this goes for women everywhere, not just America, if you are taller it always helps, I think its biological.
If you had two men, one 6'1" and average looking with a pot belly, and another man 5'8" but fit and good looking, chances are the average looking tall fella will get the girl. Size matters.
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[QUOTE=Drlawyer;1127328]Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million![/QUOTE]That goes to show you. Even when you know they are bad for you. When you have the choice of any woman in the world like Eddie did. AW are up there with the best.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1127553]That goes to show you. Even when you know they are bad for you. When you have the choice of any woman in the world like Eddie did. AW are up there with the best.[/QUOTE]I just think that means he was an idiot when it comes to woman, plain and simple.
The US is full of such nasty women that gringos are famous for coming to Colombia and hooking up with the first nasty questionable ugly piece of ass they can find, because even an ugly girl here is way above the median line by gringo standards :P You see it all the time.
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[QUOTE=Cherchezfemme; 1126475]You know who I feel bad for? Shorter men. At least I can do something about my weight. Half the women online state UPFRONT they want a taller guy. Some even explicitly state : 'Don't bother if you're under such and such height. '
Not many guys state upfront 'no old chicks' or 'no small-breasted women'. I look at guys profiles to see what they do, and I've ever seen that. [/QUOTE]For us it is all a numbers game. The less criteria that we impose the higher the number of women in our pot that we have to choose from. The women are tunnel vision and are looking for a man who can fit into the mold they already have. The men don't mind adjusting their mold for women in certain circumstances so we leave our options open. Don't want a woman over 40? Well this one is 42 and did I mention she had a $200, 000 job. In a situation like that what man would give a fuck about a couple of years age knowing he wouldn't always have to shell out money for shit when he is with her.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
[QUOTE=Australiasucks; 1127361]I have to say HGH is something else, I am in my 40s but I am now in better shape than I was in my teens and twenties and its because of HGH, I also have noticed that I am now slightly taller, not by much but a few inches. My mental sharpness and sex drive resembles that of a 20 year old rather than a man pushing 50. Having a few inches of height always helps when it comes to the ladies, and this goes for women everywhere, not just America, if you are taller it always helps, I think its biological.
If you had two men, one 6'1" and average looking with a pot belly, and another man 5'8" but fit and good looking, chances are the average looking tall fella will get the girl. Size matters. [/QUOTE]I've been into bodybuilding since I was thirteen years old but have never done any enhancement drugs minus creatine and whey protien powder. Why? Because guys who do juice and other enhancement drugs look like they do them. You might as well walk around with a syringe stuck in your arm. From my experience woman are totally grossed out by that look minus a few exceptions. It also screams narscissism which turns a woman off or makes her think you are gay.
I live in NYC where you see a lot of this going on. It's funny I've done a lot of drugs in my life but never accepted offers for enhancement drugs. I am 41 at the moment and yes my six pack stomach is gone for good and my joints can't take the abuse of heavy upper body workouts. Just a few push ups and chin ups but I am aging gracefully without any resentment what so ever.
The best part about it is I don't give a shit because I can buy pussy whenever I want it!
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[QUOTE=Westy; 1127323]This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50, 000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
[url=https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US]My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone)[/url][/QUOTE]That's no different than the dumb MF who still wanted to marry the "Runaway Bride" who of course (if not on cue) blamed her "disappearance" on some "Mexicans" or "Black Men" I forget, the point is it was a lie and she was forced to pay back the Sheriff Dept.
We have some real "Winners" in America. Go forth and multiple, I THINK NOT!
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1127858]For us it is all a numbers game. The less criteria that we impose the higher the number of women in our pot that we have to choose from. The women are tunnel vision and are looking for a man who can fit into the mold they already have. The men don't mind adjusting their mold for women in certain circumstances so we leave our options open. Don't want a woman over 40? Well this one is 42 and did I mention she had a $200, 000 job. In a situation like that what man would give a fuck about a couple of years age knowing he wouldn't always have to shell out money for shit when he is with her.[/QUOTE]The only thing is. When you ask men what they want, I mean REALLY want they want. Its a nice looking woman that's also fairly smart if not educated. We generally accept less than we want anyway.
In other places on earth, there are more Women than Men and the supply of good looking smart women outnumber the men willing to look for them.
Once the perfect web site / portal comes along to simplify that without the fee for business model that is the Marriage Broker Industry, International Dating / Marriage will explode. I think its very clear than men are voting with their feet and that's a positive sign.
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[QUOTE=Westy; 1127323]This is a winner! An article in the Travel section of the Wall Street Journal. 19 Feb 2011, describing the wonderful "honeymoon for one" that an AW enjoyed in Venice (while her new hubby strove to get a replacement for his lost passport, back in NYC).
Skip the ring, skip the $50, 000 Bridezilla Extravaganza, let her go buy her own fuggin' honeymoon for herself.
Too bad her brand spankin' new hubby caught up with her, rather than have the marriage annulled for desertion.
[url=https://www.google.com/accounts/RP?c=CPrc5bqYq536OBDRko6FusTVq8cB&hl=en_US]My Perfect Honeymoon (That I Spent Alone)[/url][/QUOTE]From the article: "Walking out the door to go to the airport, my husband went to get his passport from his desk. It was missing. I called our housekeeper but she hadn't seen it. We searched the apartment. I called the Terrorist Investigation Unit of the FBI to report it stolen by the carpet cleaner."
Do you really believe it was the carpet cleaner who stole her husband's passport?
The URL above did not work. This one worked:
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703786804576138650128293260.html?mod=WSJ_topics_obama[/url]
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Why are men so angry?
Well written article that exposes the bullshit us guys in our 20s and 30s have to put up with when it comes to AW:
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-28/why-are-men-angry-manning-up-author-kay-hymowitz-explains/?cid=hp:mainpromo6[/url]
Men in their twenties and thirties are fed up with women, but author Kay Hymowitz says you can't blame them when women are demanding equality except when it comes to romance.
About a week ago, The Wall Street Journal published an excerpt of my new book, which argued that the new stage I call pre-adulthood—the twenties and early thirties—was not bringing out the best in single young men. Some men didn't like it. As in, 'cancel-my-subscription-the-writer-should-contract-such-a-bad-case-of-carpel-tunnel-syndrome-she-never-writes-again' didn't like it.
But a lot of the responses unwittingly proved my point—and another one: Men are really, really angry. Consider: 'We're not STUCK in pre-adulthood, we choose it because there aren't any desirable American women. They've been bred to abuse men. ' This fairly typical response that appeared at the Seattle Post Intelligencer website: 'Sorry ladies. In the age of PlayStation 3s. 24-hours-a-day sports channels, and free Internet porn, you are now obsolete. All that nagging, whining, and stealing our hard earned cash have finally caught up to you."
Shocked? I wasn t. During the last few years researching this age group, I've stumbled onto a powerful underground current of male bitterness that has nothing to do with outsourcing, the Mancession, or any of the other issues we usually associate with contemporary male discontent. No, this is bitterness from guys who find the young women they might have hoped to hang out with entitled, dishonest, self-involved, slutty, manipulative, shallow, controlling—and did I mention gold-digging?
Check out the websites like names like MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) , Nomarriage. Com, or EternalBachelor. Com ('Give Modern Women the Husband They Deserve. None. '). Or read popular bloggers like the pseudonymous Roissy, a ferociously caustic dissector of female 'sluttiness' and 'shit tests' (attempts to manipulate men). There are dozens upon dozens of gurus and counselors who publish posts like '42 Things Wrong With American Women' while chat forums ruminate over how 'American Women Suck. '
Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren't so sure.
So, is this what Susan Faludi famously called the backlash? Is it immaturity, as my own book seems to suggest? Is it the Internet as an escape valve for decades of pent-up rebellion against political correctness? Or, is it just good, old-fashioned misogyny?
A bit of all of the above, probably. But there's another reason for these rants, one that is far less understood. Let's call it gender bait and switch. Never before in history have men been matched up with women who are so much their equal—socially, professionally, and sexually. By the time they reach their twenties, they have years of experience with women as equal competitors—in school, on soccer fields, and even in bed. They very reasonably assume that the women they are meeting at a bar or café or gym are after the same things they are: financial independence, career success, toned triceps, and sex.
That's the bait; here comes the switch. Women may want equality at the conference table and treadmill. But when it comes to sex and dating, they aren't so sure. The might hook up as freely as a Duke athlete. Or, they might want men to play Greatest Generation gentleman. Yes, they want men to pay for dinner, call for dates—a writer at the popular dating website The Frisky titled a recent piece 'Call me and ask me out for a damn date! '—and open doors for them. A lot of men wonder: 'WTF? ' Why should they do the asking? Why should they pay for dinner? After all, they are equals and in any case, the woman a guy is asking out probably has more cash in her pocket than he does; recent female graduates are making more than males in most large cities.
Sure, girls can—and do—ask guys out for dinner and pick up the check without missing a beat. Women can make that choice. Men say they have no choice. If they want a life, they have to ask women out on dates; they have to initiate conversations at bars and parties, they have to take the lead on sex. Women can take a Chinese menu approach to gender roles. They can be all 'Let me pay for the movie tickets' on Friday nights, and 'A single rose? That's it? ' on Valentine's Day.
Far worse in the bait and switch category is women's stated preference for nice guys and actual attraction to bad boys. Now, clearly this is not true for all women. Many, maybe even most, want a guy with the sweetness of a Jimmy Stewart and sensitivity of Ashley Wilkes. But enough of them are partial to the Charlie Sheens of this world that one popular dating guru, David DeAngleo, lists 'Being Too Much of a Nice Guy' as No. 1 in his 'Ten Most Dangerous Mistakes Men Make With Women. ' At a website with the evocative name Relationshit. Com, ('Brutally honest dating advice for the cynical, bitter, and jaded, ' and sociological cousin of Dating-is-Hell. Com) the most highly trafficked pages are those asking the question why women don't like good guys.
PlayStations and Internet porn? For a lot of guys, they seem like the better way.
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Thanks Bejeesus a good laughter is always guaranteed around here!
The one about the angel tramp stamp allegedly "in memory of" is really shit that couldn't possibly be made up! Excellent! It reminded me of a profile I have seen recently, a mid-thirties AW on a sugar-daddy dating site and the caption of this three-holed-clown read "FAMILY-ORIENTED bla-bla-bla"; right the moment I've seen that even the the good lord almighty bursted out a thunderous laughter from above, or so it seemed to me. This goes back to what DJ4M was also mentioning about the article. Thing is, you just can't be a woman and be family oriented when you're past 30 and have no family nor you've given birth yet, it's just plain ridiculous. Women are developing earlier and earlier these days, or so it seems when you see 10-year old girlies giving birth, and alas, even the end of their reproductive life known as menopause can come as early as their thirties. A 30-something woman's value as a potential mother is dubious at best, and most probably a scam of Nigerian proportions altogether.
Any honestly-speaking (read; drunk and high on coke and E at the same time) attractive 30-some-year old woman will tell you that they have seen a dramatic decrease in the amount of attention men give them on a daily basis once past 25.
Past 25 for a woman means past her prime and everybody knows it, so as their position of power gets eroded slowly but surely, they need to find some man that for some reason buys (read; marries) their rotting asse (t) s. If they fail to find one such benefactor that is willing to embrace her eternal quest of selfish happiness, all they can do is to start coming to terms with reality; which often includes lowering those ridiculous expectations accordingly to what they still can get away with, drunken clubbing, developing psycosis and so on.
One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.
Arrogance has deeply poisoned society as a whole; you can see every decent-to-good looking girl nowadays has ideas of grandeur in her head. How often have you seen or read of girl's interests being "acting, modelling"? She's barely cute and already thinks she's going to Hypnotize the whole world and let it bow to her wishes with that pussy of hers, LOL. That's what I'm talking about, these beetches look like they're out on a mission to conqueer the world, it makes you wonder how comes they don't rule the whole motherfucker up already, or even more how comes all of that material thirst disappears when it comes to the possibilty of them having to actually WORK FOR IT.
LOL.
I better go to sleep now!
Bless
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[QUOTE=Littletruths;1128545]One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.[/QUOTE]But don't you just love they way they keep hope alive? Especially the ones with 4 or 5 kids.
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[QUOTE=Littletruths; 1128545]Thanks Bejeesus a good laughter is always guaranteed around here!
The one about the angel tramp stamp allegedly "in memory of" is really shit that couldn't possibly be made up! Excellent! It reminded me of a profile I have seen recently, a mid-thirties AW on a sugar-daddy dating site and the caption of this three-holed-clown read "FAMILY-ORIENTED bla-bla-bla"; right the moment I've seen that even the the good lord almighty bursted out a thunderous laughter from above, or so it seemed to me. This goes back to what DJ4M was also mentioning about the article. Thing is, you just can't be a woman and be family oriented when you're past 30 and have no family nor you've given birth yet, it's just plain ridiculous. Women are developing earlier and earlier these days, or so it seems when you see 10-year old girlies giving birth, and alas, even the end of their reproductive life known as menopause can come as early as their thirties. A 30-something woman's value as a potential mother is dubious at best, and most probably a scam of Nigerian proportions altogether.
Any honestly-speaking (read; drunk and high on coke and E at the same time) attractive 30-some-year old woman will tell you that they have seen a dramatic decrease in the amount of attention men give them on a daily basis once past 25.
Past 25 for a woman means past her prime and everybody knows it, so as their position of power gets eroded slowly but surely, they need to find some man that for some reason buys (read; marries) their rotting asse (t) s. If they fail to find one such benefactor that is willing to embrace her eternal quest of selfish happiness, all they can do is to start coming to terms with reality; which often includes lowering those ridiculous expectations accordingly to what they still can get away with, drunken clubbing, developing psycosis and so on.
One day they wake up and realize all of the bullshit mistakes they did that kept them from finding true happiness (which often lays in the simplest things) but alas, they are already rounding forties and it's already game over in a certain sense. Very sad indeed.
Arrogance has deeply poisoned society as a whole; you can see every decent-to-good looking girl nowadays has ideas of grandeur in her head. How often have you seen or read of girl's interests being "acting, modelling"? She's barely cute and already thinks she's going to Hypnotize the whole world and let it bow to her wishes with that pussy of hers, LOL. That's what I'm talking about, these beetches look like they're out on a mission to conqueer the world, it makes you wonder how comes they don't rule the whole motherfucker up already, or even more how comes all of that material thirst disappears when it comes to the possibilty of them having to actually WORK FOR IT.
LOL.
I better go to sleep now!
Bless[/QUOTE]Bravo.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1128599]But don't you just love they way they keep hope alive? Especially the ones with 4 or 5 kids.[/QUOTE]Those women are a prize, second to none. They still won't accept reality. With one YOUNG child some men might forgive you for making a mistake with some moron but two kids, three or even four, forget it. What knuckle head wants a woman with four children and not even 35?
There are thousands if not millions of women just in Europe and South America that are tired of South American Machismo and Slavic Boorish, Thuggery. Not just that but they just out number the available men in their country, that's why you don't have the English speaking guys from those countries going." Marry your own women", they are more like "There's plenty of share." Only immature, boorish, Neanderthals cause trouble.
Even the woman I visited in Ukraine has found me on Facebook and asked when I was coming back to Ukraine. She's too old, I would think about 36-37 now and frankly doesn't look that great, just okay. I've had several women on various sites hit me up that are as young as 22, but the majority are mid 20's.
Why in the fuck as Black Man would want White American Women, let alone Black American Women?
I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine.
These are death throws of American Culture about to hit rock bottom and in desperate need of a REBOOT.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1128633]I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine. [/QUOTE]DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1128988]DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa. [/QUOTE]You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I do not know why but for some reason nobody discusses this: there is really good chance for a foreigner (and locals too!) to meet and marry an ex prostitute. While thinking and believing she is a "regular" or "normal". And you will never tell, unless you or your friends have known her and her family personally for years. Or you need some good ability to distinguish between working girls and "normals". But the biggest puzzle can be to spot an ex or undercover working girl. Maybe many people do not think much about it, but I think some could be concerned about these kinda of things.
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into. And still women can make you believe into anything they want you to believe. They scam locals to some extent and for sure they can scam foreigners big time if they want to.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung;1129117]You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.[/QUOTE]I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung;1129117]You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into.[/QUOTE]There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues.
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1129233]I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.[/QUOTE]Probably you are not a typical gringo. And a couple of hundred is not a majority of the girls abroad.
I was also talking about a serious relationship / marriage, not just a fuck / friendship.
I'm pretty sure that not every girls abroad is eager to meet and have a relationship with a foreigner.
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Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.
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If only...
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1129293]Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.[/QUOTE]If you're an ugly guy with [b]C A S H[/b] (and I mean lots of it). Then you can pick up a hot chick like that.
No money, no (hot) honey...
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1129117]You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I do not know why but for some reason nobody discusses this: there is really good chance for a foreigner (and locals too!) to meet and marry an ex prostitute. While thinking and believing she is a "regular" or "normal". And you will never tell, unless you or your friends have known her and her family personally for years. Or you need some good ability to distinguish between working girls and "normals". But the biggest puzzle can be to spot an ex or undercover working girl. Maybe many people do not think much about it, but I think some could be concerned about these kinda of things.
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into. And still women can make you believe into anything they want you to believe. They scam locals to some extent and for sure they can scam foreigners big time if they want to. [/QUOTE]Goga I don't even think that would be enough. Latin culture is extremely dissimulated. Even people who have been born and raised here have fallen for that. Many of times. You could take three educated looking-and-sounding people in suits, one is a bank executive, one is actually out of work and sponges off of his friends and family for money, one is a mugger!
People here are experts at appearing to be whatever they want to appear to be. I posted in another part of the board once, I think that at least 50% of women between 15 and 50 here in Bogota have charged somebody for sex at some point in their lives at least once.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1129374]Goga I don't even think that would be enough. Latin culture is extremely dissimulated. Even people who have been born and raised here have fallen for that. Many of times. You could take three educated looking-and-sounding people in suits, one is a bank executive, one is actually out of work and sponges off of his friends and family for money, one is a mugger!
People here are experts at appearing to be whatever they want to appear to be. I posted in another part of the board once, I think that at least 50% of women between 15 and 50 here in Bogota have charged somebody for sex at some point in their lives at least once.[/QUOTE]BC, I'm not talking only about South America! The same is for many other countries, or actually everywhere. I've been to Colombia many times, but it's a foreign language and culture for me there, no way I would figure it out unless living there for many years. And I already have seen lots of "scams" there. For example a girl working in casa while having a boyfriend. Or I had three "girlfriends" who were whoring around during day, but telling parents and grandparents that they work in a retail or food store.
In a way similar shit is going on another continent. In a FSU country I have met some innocent looking girls who were fucking during day, then going home early evening. Some were even virgins (so they do BJ only). Some had fiances who would be allowed to have sex with them only after marriage. I saw all this bullshit from the other side, but I realized that I could be easily scammed too. And I'm sure lots of people do get scammed. I heard stories from people that some Americans married prostitutes. I could see it easily happen. Any prostitute could easily turn into a "regular" once she sees a decent opportunity to get married with a gringo. I guess it is still better for an American than to marry an AW.
To get back to the subject. An awesome video, what AW do in Jamaica:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW2WH0uKnhA[/url]
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1127861]I. I am 41 at the moment and yes my six pack stomach is gone for good and my joints can't take the abuse of heavy upper body workouts. Just a few push ups and chin ups but I am aging gracefully without any resentment what so ever.![/QUOTE]Dude. 41 is not a big deal. You make it seem as if you're decrepit! Maybe you can go heavy, maybe you can't. What do you consider heavy? Do you work on mobility, pre-hab, foam-rolling? Do you take your fish oil, your glucosamine, MSM?
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[QUOTE=Drlawyer;1127328]Then that moron went out and married an AW. Got divorced and had to pay her 25 million![/QUOTE]But she did give him FIVE kids, so props to her. She still looks fine too.
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Don't Get it Twisted!
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1129293]Damn waking up next to a beautiful chick like Heidi Klum every morning! If an ugly guy looking fella like Seal can pick up a chick that looks that good, then there's hope for everyone here.[/QUOTE]After her Italian tycoon boyfriend dropped her while pregnant, she jumped at Seal with the quickness. Kind of reminds one of Bridget Moynihan who got dumped while pregnant by Tom Brady the Football star.
Lots of women out here with kids looking for a man nowadays. Some men don't mind, so more power to them both. I try to stay focused knowing there is plenty of fish in the sea without having to deal with extra issues. You have to ask yourself also if the chick would give you the time of day if she had no kids. What kind of judgement does this women have if she met and let a dude drop his seed in her and vanish from her life?
I had a Dominicana headcase tell me once she had a kid in the DR. After I said "really" with a straight face, she said "just kidding." Not too long after that I distanced myself from her even though she was five ten all hips with 40DD's. That little comment / game she made negated all that.
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Lolz!
[QUOTE=Goga Fung; 1129463]To get back to the subject. An awesome video, what AW do in Jamaica:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW2WH0uKnhA[/url][/QUOTE]Excellent! Thanks for the video. I guess it takes a bunch of horny Jamaicans for a swine like that to humped at so mercilessly!
[QUOTE=Goga Fung;1129463]BC, I'm not talking only about South America! The same is for many other countries, or actually everywhere. I've been to Colombia many times, but it's a foreign language and culture for me there, no way I would figure it out unless living there for many years. And I already have seen lots of "scams" there. For example a girl working in casa while having a boyfriend. Or I had three "girlfriends" who were whoring around during day, but telling parents and grandparents that they work in a retail or food store.
In a way similar shit is going on another continent. In a FSU country I have met some innocent looking girls who were fucking during day, then going home early evening. Some were even virgins (so they do BJ only). Some had fiances who would be allowed to have sex with them only after marriage. I saw all this bullshit from the other side, but I realized that I could be easily scammed too. And I'm sure lots of people do get scammed. I heard stories from people that some Americans married prostitutes. I could see it easily happen. Any prostitute could easily turn into a "regular" once she sees a decent opportunity to get married with a gringo. I guess it is still better for an American than to marry an AW.[/url][/QUOTE]
Can't not agree with that.
When it comes to women the only way for peace of mind is to keep telling yourself that if you can trust yourself (can you?) you can trust your partner and that's it. No man that gets involved with a woman is immune to being made a fool of, period. On the other hand, one could argue that as long as the partner keeps it on the low and doesn't let you know shit it could all be just fine...only problem I have found in this tho; while it has always been easy for me not to get caught by my partners on my fucking around, I couldn't say my partners have ever been just as clever as me. LOL
Bless
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The Definition Of Spinner!
This Jamaican chick is a real spinner!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM0-vn6dP0w&NR=1[/url]
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Cheap Sex In USA For Young Men
According to this study, young American men are finding pooning a lot easier and cheaper.
[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2286240[/url]
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1130390]According to this study, young American men are finding pooning a lot easier and cheaper.
[url]http://www.slate.com/id/2286240[/url][/QUOTE]It Don't sound like too many Guys are complaining about the lack of pussy from AW by this article.
In fact most seem quite happy.
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This might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought IMHO.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1130740]It Don't sound like too many Guys are complaining about the lack of pussy from AW by this article.
In fact most seem quite happy. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax;1131146]This might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought IMHO.[/QUOTE]Not true. Reality is the good ones get snapped up. The dregs get no takers. Settle for fugly and you can have all you want. In USA or anywhere. 'make an ugly woman your wife, and be happy for the rest of your life. ' LOL.
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[quote=capt ajax;1131146]this might be true for male students in college but out in the "real world" there is a pussy drought imho.[/quote]thats not what the article states:
[quote]the national longitudinal study of adolescent health data offer other glimpses into just how low the cost of sex is for young men ages 18 through 23. take the speed with which these men say their romantic relationships become sexual: 36 percent of young men's relationships add sex by the end of the second week of exclusivity; an additional 13 percent do so by the end of the first month. a second indicator of cheap sex is the share of young men's sexual relationships—30 percent—that don't involve romance at all: no wooing, no dates, no nothing.[/quote]not only are they getting sex. they are getting it free. 30% thats like 1 in 3.
i don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "pussy heaven" for guys any time soon.
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Oh and by the way I think this article is total BS.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865; 1131266]Thats not what the article states:
Not only are they getting sex. They are getting it FREE. 30% thats like 1 in 3.
I don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "Pussy Heaven" for guys any time soon. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Golfinho;1131218]Not true. Reality is the good ones get snapped up. The dregs get no takers. Settle for fugly and you can have all you want. In USA or anywhere. 'make an ugly woman your wife, and be happy for the rest of your life. ' LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't know if I agree with it. The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high exepectations. The only difference here in Colombia is that people are a LOT better looking on average, but I have had fat chicks here reject ME for being fat, not even as fat as THEY were fat :P it happens. I've also had women some of you on the board may have paid the big bucks for for free. There are still a few out there who see beyond the physical.
I think the article was written by some bible-thumping retard with an agenda to try and shock people about "how promiscuous today's youf are" or maybe somebody from a humanist perspective but equally repressive. The reality is I don't think people have ever had LESS sex in the USA than now :P Could be that a few really good looking charming college age guys are getting laid all they want. But the % is lower than ever.
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Yes I completely agree with you BC. I was a decent looking athlete in college, had all the free pussy I ever wanted. Sometimes I had to just say NO.
Fast forward to now, I'm in decent shape, relatively good looking and cannot be bothered with all the BS one has to go through to get some simple "non pro" pussy. It's not easy in the "real world".
I've had several p4p girls tell me what the fuck am I doing paying for pussy. I tell 'em it's easier, less BS and drama. In other words I pay to fuck 'em and they leave!
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito; 1131551]I don't know if I agree with it. The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high exepectations. The only difference here in Colombia is that people are a LOT better looking on average, but I have had fat chicks here reject ME for being fat, not even as fat as THEY were fat :P it happens. I've also had women some of you on the board may have paid the big bucks for for free. There are still a few out there who see beyond the physical.
I think the article was written by some bible-thumping retard with an agenda to try and shock people about "how promiscuous today's youf are" or maybe somebody from a humanist perspective but equally repressive. The reality is I don't think people have ever had LESS sex in the USA than now :P Could be that a few really good looking charming college age guys are getting laid all they want. But the % is lower than ever. [/QUOTE]
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Disenchantment?
Who said I would be bringing a girl back here? I'm not convinced the country is moving in the right direction socially. I am not concerned about American Culture (such as it is) screwing up my woman. I don't know why the specter of this continues on this board. If you pick the right woman as I have said before, she'll think American Culture is ridiculous and ass-backwards. That doesn't mean she doesn't take advantage of what America has to ofter which isn't much these days unless you're talking about rampant consumerism, but that means when you need a new TV there's always one on sale.
Our school system is broken and I'm don't believe moving to affluent areas helps because the corruption even in those affluent areas has to be seen to believe. Google "Not As Good As You Think" the Myth of Middle Class (and upper class) schools. In poor areas they just aren't interested in having smart children, in the suburbs are just full of cheats and crooks.
I choose IT because its one of the few careers that don't require a college degree and requires English in many cases. I was already well versed in computers so it just made sense and for my meager investment of $70 at a local occupational center I will get enough information to pass not only the CompTIA A+ but the Network + as well in 9 weeks! The class across the street (Jr College) takes an entire semester and you'll only get enough info for A+. My instructor had run his own computer business since the 5. 25 floppy days.
I am on the right track, I just need some experience and I can gain that at home while I work locally and search for my bride online and make trips abroad as needed. By the time I have 2-3 years of experience I can start applying for jobs with the UN in Geneva, NATO in Brussels or with international companies like DHL who currently has opening in IT as I write this, as well as the two places I just mentioned, don't believe me? Have a look at their job boards.
I'm also convinced that even though it says they are looking for degree holders with IT for jobs in Denmark. Dollars to Donuts says I can find a job in IT in Denmark, Sweden or Norway by just having a CV with experience and a solid interview.
I can't keep listening to doubters because misery loves company because without company there's nobody to complain too.
I feel I'm a good judge of character and can't be swayed by sex. Can I be swayed by Beauty and Sex? That is an unknown, I've either known good looking women or had sex with average to above average women but I think that has more to do with where I live and not what I can attract. If I end up with a stunner and she fucks good, I might be in trouble. More than likely though, I'll end up with somebody pleasant to look at, that wants to be a mother and wants to live under the motto of WE / US, not You or I.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1128988]DJ,
Without instruction you're headed for destruction. That is exactly what you do not want to do. How do you plan on holding on to that extremely tasty piece of ass once you import her? She will attract the attention of men with power, money and high social status. What will stop her from trading up? Is it love, loyalty, faithfulness or maybe even gratitude? I have dealt with American women and foreign women. It's rare that any woman gives up pussy without the potential for receiving some immediate or future benefit. There are some women that fuck men just for the pleasure and variety but you're not looking for those. You're looking for the ones who want a family. That kind puts a high value on men who can provide a mansion and huge SUV desired for the housing and transportation of their offspring. The local men in foreign countries get first pick and the best girls get snapped up and married at an early age. There are many attractive women abroad but they're not all marriageable. Some have serious character flaws among other things. Finding that dime piece is not as easy as it seems. There are more possibilities than in the USA, but the search for right one is not necessarily any easier. Many will try to convince you that they're the one who should win that visa. [/QUOTE]As long as I can beat back the [i]lonely monster[/i] I'll be fine. There are a few key words that need to be spoken before I will start any K-1 or use the back-door. As I said in my other post, I might not come back here to raise children, we'll see. I also don't automatically assume that good looking women don't want the same thing average looking do.
Women Only GET WHAT MEN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE, PERIOD. If your foolish enough to roll over just because a woman is good looking or swallows your seed, then you get what's comin to ya.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax; 1131557]Yes I completely agree with you BC. I was a decent looking athlete in college, had all the free pussy I ever wanted. Sometimes I had to just say NO.
Fast forward to now, I'm in decent shape, relatively good looking and cannot be bothered with all the BS one has to go through to get some simple "non pro" pussy. It's not easy in the "real world".
I've had several p4p girls tell me what the fuck am I doing paying for pussy. I tell 'them it's easier, less BS and drama. In other words I pay to fuck 'them and they leave! [/QUOTE]Yeah in the real world p4p is severely underrated. Like I said, on several occasions I was able to get into the beds of women who routinely charge the big bucks for sex here, and even then, now I wonder if it was worth it to go that route. One girl was the biggest **** I've ever encountered in my 21 years as a professional musician and it took till the 4th date before we finally did the deed. Because she was playing her part, for whom I have no idea :P.
I knew she was a pro the first time we did anal, no non-pro takes it that easy. I told her right then and there "baby doll you are so full of shit, I know you charge for sex, nobody does anal that well unless they make money at it". . That's the first clue that Little Miss Innocent is a pro. If she takes it in the ass as easily as she takes it in the pussy, or if she can make you come in 38. 6 seconds flat with the best blowjob you've ever had. She didn't get that good practicing on the bedpost.
What's the point of lying and being lied to just so you can call some puta your girlfriend meanwhile you're fucking around behind her back and she's doing the same. One would suppose that at least you get priority of someone's time when they are the official gf but here in the big city people are so busy with work and shit what does it matter?
My friend I mentioned earlier in this thread who looks like a young Jon Bon Jovi and has fucked half the female population of Bogota, I even wonder if he's getting the great deal he thinks he is at times. He mentioned to me he doesn't like getting BJs from girls because they are too rough on his dick. I've never had that problem with a pro :P
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1131680]As long as I can beat back the [i]lonely monster[/i] I'll be fine. There are a few key words that need to be spoken before I will start any K-1 or use the back-door. As I said in my other post, I might not come back here to raise children, we'll see. I also don't automatically assume that good looking women don't want the same thing average looking do.
Women Only GET WHAT MEN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE, PERIOD. If your foolish enough to roll over just because a woman is good looking or swallows your seed, then you get what's comin to ya. [/QUOTE]Any attractive woman in America can get a lot more than what men would like her to have. The tendency of divorce courts to rule largely in women's favor bears this out. If you marry or have children in America when things go to shit the woman will be getting the kids and your money. Marry or knock her up and you've just let her have what she wants period! There are worse things than loneliness but you have to experience them to understand. Expect disappointment when betting on another human being for happiness. I've found that making lots of money and staying free is the best choice for living in America.
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Congrats
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1131674]I choose IT because its one of the few careers that don't require a college degree and requires English in many cases. I was already well versed in computers so it just made sense and for my meager investment of $70 at a local occupational center I will get enough information to pass not only the CompTIA A+ but the Network + as well in 9 weeks! The class across the street (Jr College) takes an entire semester and you'll only get enough info for A+. My instructor had run his own computer business since the 5. 25 floppy days.
I. [/QUOTE]Kudos to you for getting your priorites right. I hope you are beginning to recognize the farce it is to think that in this "the world is flat era" that running abroad to find a woman is anything but asinine. Get you money right and the pusssy will flow no matter where you are unless you are ugly, fat, and have no personality.
Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector; however, if you can get on with a multinational you can work wherever they have projects. Your best bet is to get a security clearance and do DOD IT work in Europe or wherever else. Those guys make good $$ and the jobs can't be outsourced to an Indian or EE for 20% of the cost of a Yank.
Cheers
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1129233]I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues. [/QUOTE]
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Reports:1,259 Originally Posted by Goga Fung
You are so right! It may really take time and effort to find something in a foreign country. Also many "normal" local girls would not want to do anything with foreigners.
I don't really agree with this. I have personally disproven it at least a couple hundred times.
Originally Posted by Goga Fung
You also need to know local customs, lifestyle, language, etc. Just to have some idea of what you are getting yourself into.
There is no way around this step. It must be taken. Maybe that is why I am so successful in other venues.
It depends on in what country and what the social level of the girl is. Upperclass an middleclass people in poor counties would never fuck with the kind of Thailand sexpat or KBR guy that make up much of the US expat community. In developed Euro countries there is a slight edge to saying you're from LA or whatever but it's not that much different than dating in the US.
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney; 1128633]Bravo.
There are thousands if not millions of women just in Europe and South America that are tired of South American Machismo and Slavic Boorish, Thuggery. Not just that but they just out number the available men in their country, that's why you don't have the English speaking guys from those countries going." Marry your own women", they are more like "There's plenty of share." Only immature, boorish, Neanderthals cause trouble.
Even the woman I visited in Ukraine has found me on Facebook and asked when I was coming back to Ukraine. She's too old, I would think about 36-37 now and frankly doesn't look that great, just okay. I've had several women on various sites hit me up that are as young as 22, but the majority are mid 20's.
Why in the fuck as Black Man would want White American Women, let alone Black American Women?
I am going to investigate South America, I can't imagine nothing better than a fair skinned Latina with a body to die for. She would clean up at Bikini Contest here in America with her naturally caramel skin tone and curves to make a grown man cry.
But if that doesn't work, runway model quality Slavic or Scandinavian woman would do just fine.
These are death throws of American Culture about to hit rock bottom and in desperate need of a REBOOT. [/QUOTE]You have absoutely no clue and write from a disturbingly myopic perspective. Like the guy who reads a book on airplanes and claims to be an expert on aerodynamics. Funny and entertaining but dead wrong.
First: Machismo culture and boorish Slavic behaivor is what these people know. It's their dads, their uncles, and their brothers. Right or wrong it's what they are taught and what is imbued in them from a early age. I don't know why any woman would want to live in an Islamic Republic but plenty do and like the protection that they are afforded from living in such a system.
Biaatches lie:They yap to you that they are above their culture and like senstive and carring American men because that's what they think you want to hear. They tell their own men that Western men are pussies and cheap. Ever hears the term "real man" before. For those of us that lived in the FSU its a very common theme. These girls tell black guys on vacation that they luv black skin and they tell their own men that they could never imagine a monkey touching them. People lie and are hyprocrites and those Latins and EE's embody this the most.
Some folks really are outliers, but I rarely trust people that knock their own cultures and proclaim another better even if it's true.
You mean well, but traveling vacariously leads you to draw some really errant conclusions.
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It's not you, it's me
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1131266]I don't think there's going to be any mad dash out of "Pussy Heaven" for guys any time soon.[/QUOTE]Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.
The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy;1131814]Reality Check: The EU does not really hire Yanks to work in the IT sector.[/QUOTE]I'm going to take this one step further and say it's almost impossible at this point for an American passport holder to get a job in the EU doing anything. I've looked into working in the EU myself and they have really tightened up the restrictions. I'm not saying it's impossible, because it's not, but it's damn hard.
With the global economy in the dumper, governments are becoming more and more xenephobic and anti-foreigner; just look at this country in places like Arizona with their new immigration laws. In my case, when I left to go work in South Korea in 2008, all you needed for a work visa was a four-year degree and a passport; now they require all kinds of shit, an FBI background check, medical check, interview at the Korean consulate, etc. It's a country's way of saying "we don't really want you" to foreign workers.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney;1131674]I'm not convinced the country is moving in the right direction socially. I am not concerned about American Culture (such as it is) screwing up my woman. I don't know why the specter of this continues on this board. If you pick the right woman as I have said before, she'll think American Culture is ridiculous and ass-backwards. That doesn't mean she doesn't take advantage of what America has to ofter which isn't much these days unless you're talking about rampant consumerism, but that means when you need a new TV there's always one on sale.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to join in with the America-bashing; I'll just say that after living abroad for a few years, I realize now that America is not the country for me. I don't know how this happened, but I'm just one of those people that is not compatible with my country of birth.
America and AWs, it's not you, it's me!
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito;1131551]The US is full of dead ass ugly people of BOTH sexes, just about ALL of whom have stupidly high expectations.[/QUOTE]Very true: the unrealistic Expectation Level is a big factor.
You've experienced American Woman who have it; you go to poor countries becuz you have unrealistic expectations.
The Alpha Male gets the top women wherever he goes.
'dead ass ugly people' are everywhere. No one country has a monopoly on that.
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[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1131830]Well, if you're into old women, fat women, obese women, or just plain large women, then I agree with you 100 percent, the USA is "pussy heaven". There's probably no better country in the world for chubby chasers and cougar lovers.
The problem is for those of us that have been abroad and like smaller women, like Asians, it is very hard to find that kind of body type / look here in America. For example, take the 18-21 year old spinner types you can find in the Philippines, that look here is tough to find. Maybe it's because of the American diet or lifestyle, I don't know.[/QUOTE]I believe there is a second problem. Busy American lifestyle. Most people are so busy with their work, education, training and other crap, that they don't have time to have "good" time.
When I'm in FSU or South America I can get a date with a "normal" or working girl any day. There are always possibilities. In contrast in USA most people's lives are structured and follow some kinda schedule, when they plan everything in advance. I don't like this bullshit.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1131761]Any attractive woman in America can get a lot more than what men would like her to have. The tendency of divorce courts to rule largely in women's favor bears this out. If you marry or have children in America when things go to shit the woman will be getting the kids and your money. Marry or knock her up and you've just let her have what she wants period! There are worse things than loneliness but you have to experience them to understand. Expect disappointment when betting on another human being for happiness. I've found that making lots of money and staying free is the best choice for living in America.[/QUOTE]I didn't think we were talking about American Women directly. However as I said, Men only let Women get away with stuff because of the power of pussy. But its actually a shortage of attractive, intelligent, available women.
That's the problem.
Money? I don't know had 60K and burned it up on a trip to Europe and the car and various other things. Lost the car, lost both jobs, don't have shhh, don't to my last $26 from my meager tax return. More money would just make me do more foolish stuff with it, which is fine, I don't hurt anybody, but as I have said before randomly fucking women for money is not a replacement for a loving relationship and children.
As I have said before, you are anti-Car, anti-Marriage and anti-Children, so in turn I don't think you can give me any sage advice is going to be extremely biased in those directions.