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I think this is the first time I've read this section. Very informative. I saw someone mention the Tom Leykis Show. I have listened to it on and off the past few weeks. It is pretty hilarious. But there is some truth in some of what he preaches. For instance, most American guys are out to get laid (I know I am). With the general prudishness of American women, is it any wonder that American men are going for that international flavor?
The only thing I will say that most of you won't agree with is that looks aren't everything. I think an average looking chick is willing to try harder in the bedroom than a supermodel-like chick. Quality is important.
MP
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Mystic Pimp
I'm the poster who mentioned Tom Leykis and man, listening to him makes me understand what Moses must have felt like when he received the Ten Commandment! LOL
I agree with you ALMOST 100% regarding the concept of the chick who is NOT a supermodel trying harder. HOWEVER Tom said that a chick who is NOT supermodel attractive generally has a better head on her shoulders and is a tougher prospect to lay. On the other side of the coin, a listener called in and said to Tom: "So you're saying that the more a woman looks like a supermodel, the DUMBER she is"? His response was: "BINGO!". I was fucking floored and I almost veered off the highway from laffing so hard!
The ordinary chick has to compensate by developing her inner self and brains and therefore is more wary, while supermodel can be taken in by a flash of cash, or huge cojones on a guy's part. ON THE OTHER HAND, my master (martial arts instructor) said that when he was in college, he sometimes got by by fucking ugly chicks who would pay the rent, etc in exchange for "services rendered". But I digress...
Tom Leykis pretty much advocates, NOT fucking American women because of the lack of satisfactory return on "investment". They don't wanna be construed as sluts and make a guy jump through hoops on the HOPES of MAYBE getting laid. Myself, I'm just tired of the God-damned head games they play and the false indignation they display when they discover you wanna get into their panties.
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Sinanju Master:
Looks are good, but how women perform in the bedroom determines whether I want it from them more than once or consistently. As far as being looked at as a "****", it seems only the American women involved in alternative lifestyles can deal with the label. Recently I've been looking more to get laid in the US thru other means than the hooker or escort. The "Professor" has movitaved me (in his listener demographic) to try alternative methods to play around without commitment.
MP
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Mystic Pimp
I'll agree that "performance" in the bedroom is a must, BUT what if your other half looks like Roseanne Barr? Myself, I need to strike a balance. The "Alternative Chick" option may seem great, but remember she's an AMERICAN CHICK and may respond negatively if you find things are less than what you consider perfect and you wanna bail. I can't really berate you for that anyway, 'cos I've been thinking of that lately myself.
Getting back to the performance issue: Do you want to be seen in public with a rusted out Ford Pinto body that houses a Ferrari engine, or do you want to be seen with a Ferrari body that contains a Yugo engine?
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Honestly, if it's just about sex, I'm not out in public with 99.9% of these women anyway. That's a tough question about the cars, but yeah, balance is necessary.
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Gentlemen,
While in this thread I have been generally a booster of "foreign" ladies, it is important to remember that not every "American woman" is the ogre we paint here. Having said that, only 5% of the "American women" I have ever been with were worthwhile, but THEY (the five percent) were very worthwhile. There are some positive aspects to that "colonial attitude" ( very liberated in some cases.)
Bar none, the very best BJ with CIM came from an ex-wife; and she was VERY American. The fact that she was a disaster as a human being is secondary.., Ahem.
Just trying to add some balance here; to my own posts if not those of the rest of the members.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Sporadic,
I guess I'm only speaking for myself here, however...
I'm not saying that ALL American women are like this. It's just that I've encountered the aforementioned negative attitudes from these women far more often than with any other culture/nationality (and when I say I've been around the globe, I'm not making that up).
It's why I keep zinging them; it HAS to be something in our culture. Other than that, your point is a valid one.
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Sinanju,
It's probably easier to tweak the engine performance in the Ferrari, than to try to improve a knackered body even if it does contain a good engine. At least the looks of the Ferrari will impress your mates more!
ER
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Smut,
No offense taken, nor implied in my post. I have found you can find good or bad everywhere you look (and I too, have been around the globe a couple of times.)
If we are talking about generalizations, and I suppose we must, then everything said here is spot on.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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Still when it comes to American women, often you encounter a lot more bad than good. Sporadic you said it yourself when you mentioned that only 5 percent of the American women you encountered were worth your time, and that is a pitifully low percentage. So basically, you were saying that the vast majoirty of American women suck in a nice scientific method. That means that 95 out of every 100 American women are a waste of a man's time and will give him more stress than pleasure. In other Western countries that I have traveled to at least 50 to 60 percent of the women are indeed worth my time, so you're chancing of finding a fine catch are ten times better. I'm currently in Australia, and I would say at least two thirds, or 66.6 percent, of Australian women of child bearing age are clearly worthwhile, which is a lot better than the pitifully small 5 percent in the US. Two thirds of Australian women are attractive and at least one third are gorgeous, these are the ratios I picked up in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, the Gold Coast, and Perth which are the five largest metros in Australia outside of Canberra. With the percentage of worthwhile American women hovering at only 5 percent, this number is nothing and can't satisfy the needs of the American male population. It is no wonder that the vast majority of posts regarding American women are very negative. What then happens to the remaining 95 percent of American men who can't get that top 5 percent of American women? They basically get a raw deal. I actually got to see that Kill Bill sequel while on business in the USA and there was a joke about American women,"All American women are good only for ordering food in a restaurant and spending a man's money" and the audience, mostly American males reacted with a very loud roar of laughter in agreement with this joke. So if 5 percent of American women are high quality with other 95 percent substandard, it is no wonder there have been so many negative comments about American women on this message board.
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Guys, How did we allow American women to become, physically and socially so unattractive?
Why America?
Why to American men put up with it?
Can you imagine a Russian, Chinese, or Brazilian guy walking around with a fat female pig, who not only looks like a slob, but has a terrible attitude to match?
I'm not saying all American women are this way.
I'm actually dating a great miss universe type right now-- and she is American.
Also, different regions of the USA, are worse than others.
Still, the majority of American women do have weight problems and bad attitudes, I just wonder why?
Is is cultural, historical, monetary-- or are American men just idiots for condoning unacceptable behavior?
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If you want to see a damned good example of what CBGB and myself are talking about, then head to an American military base sometime (especially one in an isolated area). The females, for the most part, aren't even that attractive; but since they're the "only game in town", the base becomes a fucking petri dish for some nasty female attitudes. The main problem with the guys on base (I know-I used to be one) was that they didn't know about the competition out in town, so they would put up with the shit they were presently getting on base (not realizing other options actually existed).
The very same thing is happening in the States (and the U.K.) but on a much grander scale.
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I disagree with CBGB completely: American women are not even good for ordering food in a restaurant, since most of them can't cook and wouldn't know good food from a jack in the ass.
Now Smut Villain is right on time. I just spent 16 sorry weeks living and working on an American military base in the UK. You should see the pigs these guys marry and how fat they get. Oh, wait a minute; no, you shouldn't.
Thank god I am now in Argentina. Viva la patria!
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Gentlemen,
If you are going to bring up military base problems, you may consider looking at the huge number of "foreign" brides who are now green-carded, and have dumped the 18 to 23 year old innocent G.I. husband who confused a decent lay with love. You simply cannot dump a kid from North Dakota into the P.I. without them becoming seriously star-struck.
I feel the base example is possibly a poor one; there have been camp followers since the time of the Romans, it, IMHO, has little to do with "American women."
Is it possible that the basically puritanical attitudes (not to mention neo-fundamentalist-super-repressed religious types of every stripe) are the root cause of the American man putting up with the American woman? Indeed made them what they are? It is a lame argument to blame society, but if not there, where?
Just a thought.
Cheers,
Sporadic
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American women asked to be equal, so treat them as men. I have no manners (chivalry) whatsoever with them. My terderness is for women living out of the US, but i'm rude and mean to american women. I don't need them neither. They will have plenty of time to realize their situation around 55.