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I have heard the same thing from a girl who used to work for me too. She said she'd never work in a woman-dominated office and she was about 40+ when she said that.
I have had 1 crazy female boss and 1 awesome female boss. So I really can't say for sure.
Personally, I think it really shouldn't matter. Good bosses are good bosses no matter what. Management is a skill and people (men or women) can be trained to be good bosses. Nobody is born to be an awesome boss.
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[QUOTE=George90]I have a question for both the men and women who read this thread. I recently overheard two women in their late 20s talking about life. The topic drifted to jobs and one of them said rather strongly that she hates working for a woman boss or in an office that is all or predominantly women. ... These statements are coming from modern women in the US. What do you think of that? Is there a big difference between male and female bosses? And does it say something about US society that it is women who seem to be complaining the loudest about female bosses?[/QUOTE]George, a large part of my work is researching and training workplace communication, including cultural and gender issues. You've hit the nail on the head. Depending on the studies, approx 90% of women prefer a male boss (and approx 70% of men prefer a male boss).
There are many reasons why women overwhelmingly prefer a male boss than a female boss. Here's a few:
Men are seen as more competitive than women, and that is generally true, but in reality, women are more competitive against each other in the workplace. Women tend to be jealous of other women's success - they are literally their own worst enemies.
Women managers generally feel the need to prove themselves more than male managers do (usually for good reason), so they sometimes overcompensate authoritarian behavior (or at least they are perceived as overcompensating. So as you mention, they are often seen as 'b*tches', especially by other women).
In general, women are driven more by emotion than men, so they tend to take workplace politics very personally, especially if it involves other women. Men are more likely to have their workplace political fights, then have a drink and a laugh at the bar together at the end of the week, then pick up the fight again on Monday morning.
There are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations, but the stats speak for themselves. Before anyone mentions I'm being politically incorrect, I'm just stating the facts, Ma'am.
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[QUOTE=Piper1]George, a large part of my work is researching and training workplace communication, including cultural and gender issues. You've hit the nail on the head. Depending on the studies, approx 90% of women prefer a male boss (and approx 70% of men prefer a male boss).
There are many reasons why women overwhelmingly prefer a male boss than a female boss. Here's a few:
Men are seen as more competitive than women, and that is generally true, but in reality, women are more competitive against each other in the workplace. Women tend to be jealous of other women's success - they are literally their own worst enemies.
Women managers generally feel the need to prove themselves more than male managers do (usually for good reason), so they sometimes overcompensate authoritarian behavior (or at least they are perceived as overcompensating. So as you mention, they are often seen as 'b*tches', especially by other women).
In general, women are driven more by emotion than men, so they tend to take workplace politics very personally, especially if it involves other women. Men are more likely to have their workplace political fights, then have a drink and a laugh at the bar together at the end of the week, then pick up the fight again on Monday morning.
There are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations, but the stats speak for themselves. Before anyone mentions I'm being politically incorrect, I'm just stating the facts, Ma'am.[/QUOTE]
Those are the facts from what I have seen on the Wall Street Journal web site and Forbes web site.
This broad is about as FAR from politically correct as it can get in America without somebody shutting down the forum and exposing its users on Dateline.
PC is a joke and is unqiuely American...
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Those are the facts from what I have seen on the Wall Street Journal web site and Forbes web site.
This broad is about as FAR from politically correct as it can get in America without somebody shutting down the forum and exposing its users on Dateline.
PC is a joke and is unqiuely American...[/QUOTE]DJ - It's not Rocket Science. This is my work, and it's easy. Stop reading Forbes and Wall Street Journal online, and stop watching Dateline. Most of it is BS, and it'll only make you feel inadequate. ;)
PC may be uniquely American, but I doubt it. I have many American friends, and I love 'em, but damn, some of them are uptight. I'm pretty much un-PC, but I usually have a good time with American girls when I visit the US. They seem to like laid-back guys.
Wait a minute. Maybe wimpy American guys are the problem here. Should we start a new thread?
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AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
I partially agree with this and partially disagree...
I certainly DO see American society in big trouble right now, and it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better unless something drastic is done. I also agree that many people under 30 in this country are really fucking useless, lacking any sense of personal discipline, integrity or even ambition.
BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us.
I blame the social malaise up here on two things mainly: the car and the media, especially TV. This has gotten worse in recent years as more and more giant media conglomerates are taking over the entire industry and less and less people have more and more control over what we see and hear. Between the TV the internet and the car, one can wind up living a life where one has ZERO human contact whatsoever.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I partially agree with this and partially disagree...
I certainly DO see American society in big trouble right now, and it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better unless something drastic is done. I also agree that many people under 30 in this country are really fucking useless, lacking any sense of personal discipline, integrity or even ambition.
BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us.
I blame the social malaise up here on two things mainly: the car and the media, especially TV. This has gotten worse in recent years as more and more giant media conglomerates are taking over the entire industry and less and less people have more and more control over what we see and hear. Between the TV the internet and the car, one can wind up living a life where one has ZERO human contact whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why your always banging on cars.
Most of my social life is surrounded by cars. I have friends into cars, we go racing with as many as 300-400 others that feel the same way. We talk about everything car related, including how to make them run clean, yet still remain fun to own and drive.
I didn't have a car for almost 3 years and I didn't like it.
I am a CAR person and it hasn't made me anti-social
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
CBGB:
I hear you man, BUT... I haven't been to a MODERN country yet where it wasn't that way. I mean, you could move to Papua New Guinea and live in the jungle eating grubs and drinking rainwater... and even though somebody might eat you and wear your head around his neck as jewelry, thankfully you wouldn't get fat playing Madden on PS3 or feel the urge to shoot up a shopping mall.
China and India? Have nightmarish problems headed their way.
Europe? Having the same problems as the US... just manifested differently.
Russia? Will eat itself.
Modern society is getting crazier and crazier and there are a number of reasons.. beyond just the car and media and breakdown of the traditional family. Globalization has just accelerated the metamorphosis of society into something new. Personally I find it entertaining that some of the science fiction films of the 70's, 80's and 90's are turning out to be true.
Only a question of time before "the Running Man" is on television, we fly cars and replicate people like in "Blade Runner" or eat each other like in "Soylent Green".
Me, I wouldn't mind being the meat stuck in between a Raquel Welch and Ursula Andress replicant sandwich.
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The big difference is that China is a police state, I have been there several times already, yes there are some extremely poor people there, but the country is clearly on an upward trajectory. There are many Chinese living in Australia, most come to the country because Australia is place that they can slack off and take it easy. Some of those who are more ambitious always keep telling me about the opportunities there. China has also been the reason why the US dollar has not collapsed outright but they are now getting rid of it as a result its soon going to be real expensive to travel outside of the us
wow australia is on easy street compared to the rest of the world sure its not perfect but i cant find a better place to live
shanghai looks like los angeles in blade runner
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The real Bladerunner
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shanghai looks like los angeles in blade runner[/QUOTE]
No, that would be Jakarta. I had the most Blade Runner-ish moment there, and the camera chose that moment to die. Dark, rain, heat, people swarming everywhere etc etc.
No need to make hot replicate women in that place.. unlike what you would need in the US, as I get back to topic..
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[QUOTE=Lomusa][url]http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/09/america/NA-GEN-US-Sperm-Donor-Child-Support.php[/url][/QUOTE]This is absolutely INSANE.
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Yeah. Bikes are as much of a problem. :)
Read Steven Kern's "The Culture of Time and Space". Bikes only pre-date the automobile by a few years and it's all part of the same culture shift toward velocity. If you are out for a reflective walk in the woods and a mountain biker comes up quickly behind you may see my point...which I'm sure has something to do with American women in some way....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't know why your always banging on cars.
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]AngloAmerican civilization is on its way down, anyone who thinks its not is in a fantasyland. Things like VTech shooting and increasing incidents of crime and sociopathic behavior are rooted in the breakdown of traditional family values. America and Britain today are both examples of societies that deviated from their core roots and as a result they will both eventually fall from their high perch. Why? Look at the young generation in both countries, they have no direction, their adults don't behave like adults. Both countries lack leaders, and future generations will have a much tougher existence. True human society needs a man at the helm, in the Anglophone world men have become lower than women, that is why you see the collapse of society, its based mostly on the collapse of the traditional family unit.[/QUOTE]
I agree. But what scares the living daylights out of me is thinking about what type of 'civilization' is on its way up to replace the Anglo-American one. [b]Nothing good![/b] Certainly nothing better.
Chinese society? With its one child per woman law and its super pollution in urban areas? Middle-Eastern society? With its religious radicals and violence worship? Latin American? With the likes of Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, etc. on the rise? African society? Can anyone name a socially and economically progressive, forward moving country in Africa?
I think the world is heading towards a Dark Ages type of situation, where a small group of ultra rich elites living in ultra secure and insulated islands among masses controlled by ignorance and ultra conservative religious doctrine. Life will be very different in 30-40 years.
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[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]BUT, the collapse of the traditional family is happening all over the globe! Nor do I necessarily see this as a bad thing. I bet many people reading this will relate when I say that for a lot of us, a traditional family is a fucking PRISON! And let's face it, for women it can even be WORSE than it is for us. [/QUOTE]
I usually would not agree with such a statement. I believe that the traditional family unit, [b]TWO[/b] parents of the opposite sex raising their [i]own[/i] biological children, is the best.
However, I saw "60 Minutes" yesterday and the interview with Mitt Romney and his family. I did not see even one smile for even one nanosecond on the faces of any of his five children. [b]That[/b] says something a lot of at least one traditional family.