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Let's here it for tolerance of other people's sexual behaviors. It serves us very well to remember that MOST of society would persecute mongers and providers for THE SAME REASONS that they persecute gays: Simply because their sexual behavior is outside of that which is considered to be mainstream acceptable.
The strides which gays have made in fighting for their own rights to sleep with whomever they consent to sleep with have obvious spillover benefits to those of us who hobby.
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i remember when i was about 15 and living in houston, i lived in a large condo complex that had a gym, pool sauna and spa. i was there with a bunch of buddies swimming and having a pretty good time. a large group of guys showed up, they hit the hot tub and started blasting music. within about 2 minutes it became quite apparent, something was not right. now for me, the closest thing i had ever seen regarding gay shit, was playing "smear the queer" on the playground. i was shocked and left with a real sick feeling in my stomach. these guys were all in speedos and doing all but ass fuking right there in the hot tub.
about 5 minutes later a very large marine who lived in the complex came down and one of the guys in the tub, yelled out "hey beefcake, care to join us" well needless to say, he did join them, only not in the capacity they were hoping for. 5 minutes after that, two ambulances showed up. quite a scene. however, it truly disturbed my thought process to have witnessed a bunch of gay guys making out, feeling each other up and a few even doing oral sex right there at the side of the pool. mad me sick and from that time forward, i despise and can't stand flaming gay dudes. if they do it out of sight, in their own house, all the more power to them, but they often don't. they want us all to know they are gay! they want to shove it at us and some even make fun of us being straight.
tang~!
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GT, I can't say I disagree with you on the ill feelings regarding seeing it in public. If such carousing occured even between HETEROSEXUALS, I'd furrow my brow in disapproval. If you do it behind closed doors, fine, but to flaunt it publicly is a huge lack of class.
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For anyone to have a virtual orgy in a public place is 'a huge lack of class'. As the mother of a boy not much younger that GT was at the time he witnessed the hot tub scene, I am disgusted that adults would behave like that with no consideration for the fact that children could - and obviously did - witness it.
What disturbs me more about that post though, is that two disgraceful acts were committed that night - a public orgy and a gay bashing - and the thing that stands out as most repulsive in GT's mind, is men perfoming oral sex on each other. I can assure you, I would MUCH prefer my teenage son to observe two men having sex, than one testosterone-fueled, combat trained goon bashing their heads in.
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I agree with Sinanju Master, It would be just as inappropriate for a group of heterosexual adults to have sex in a public place where children could witness their acts. The fact that they were homosexual doesn't make it "more wrong".
Myself, I've been caught having sex with SW's a couple of times in public places. My behavior was just as inappropriate as the gays, I don't see where sexual orientation has anything to do with it. And I don't think I deserved to be hospitalized because of it. Cited for indecent exposure -- sure., beat up -- no.
Personally, as long as they stop short of sex, flaming homo's don't bother me a bit. We have a street called Broadway in Seattle where they gather, hold hands, kiss, etc., and it doesn't bother this guy who is secure in his sexuality. Sometimes it absolutely cracks me up, and I get a good laugh out of it.
In fact, my girlfriend always comments how good-looking most of them are. Thank God, they're not competing with me for chicks.
Civ2000
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"...and it doesn't bother this guy who is secure in his sexuality".
And I think that pretty much sums it up. Well said Civ2000. :)
Can someone please explain to me exactly what 'in your face' homosexuality has to do with the unavailability and/or undesirability of American Women? Like many guys here have already pointed out, these men are not competition for you. Even if women LIKE homosexual men, they are still never gonna be sleeping with them. As a woman, I am genuinely interested in what effect you think gay equality is having on women in general.
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RN, I don't think that "in your face homosexuality" has anything to do with the unavailability/undesirablity of American women. I think it just increases the number of available women for us straight guys.
I truly believe that American women are simply mirroring their American male counterparts. I can't even begin to keep track of the number of male friends I have (ranging in age from 40 to 60, most with beer guts, couch potatoes) who feel that any women who isn't under 35 with a great body is not good enough for them. I say "look in the mirror pal".
I think a lot of this has to do with the availablity of prostitutes. I know that after having sex with 18 and 19-year-old girls all week the 46-year-old girlfriend just doesn't compare. These guys complain about what bittches these gals are yet they are every bit as shallow and fickle. Their pickiness is taking them completely out of contention.
Sure the average American women is interested in how much money you make. Ever since the cave-dwelling days women have been interested in the male who was the best provider. It makes sense. These women in the third world countries look at us as rich gods. But get them over here where they have options and they really aren't any different than their American counterparts.
I've always said that if I ever won the lottery I wouldn't mention it to any woman I met because I wouldn't know if she loved me for me or for my money. If she fell in love thinking I was just an average Joe, then I would buy her anything she wanted. When you go overseas -- the women think you did just win the lottery. Of course they will treat you great.
I happen to love American women. It doesn't shock or bother me at all that a gorgeous twenty something would only be interested in this fifty-year-old, balding, overweight guy because I make good money. I'm only interested in them because they are young and pretty and by dating them I am saving a bit of time and money that I would ordinarily spend on hookers.
I know this is an unpopular point of view guys so please feel free to fire away.
Civ2000
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Candace Bushnell, the feminist author, in an interview ,comes out saying that alot of woman secretly want to have affairs with their best friends because the men in NY are so horrible. Men in NY don't knopw how to treat a woman but their best friends do. This was in response to the Cynthia Nixon story.
Tina Brown, on the other hand, feels sorry for NY men in having to deal with evilish, Manolo Blahnik wearing female stormtroopers at loose on the streets of NY.
My beef is that now being gay is the trendy new in thing for woman. Madonna kissed Britney and made it official. These girls are turning gay because it's cool on TV and in the movies. Then they turn back straight when it's convenient like Ellen Heche and some others not to be named. I don't want to deal with some shallow female who can't think for herself. These types are getting bolder everday and target females who seem weakminded. One chick I know had a nice-looking broad come on to her and ask her if she was in "the life" and that she should think about it. Alot of these lesbians go both ways cause they can get away with it. Just more competition for me the way I see it.
As far as the gay dudes, you cool with me, I'm cool with you. Get stupid and pop off then you get dealt with. And here in NY it happens alot with the queer crying gay-bashing. These types play games to get your attention then wonder why they caught a sharp elbow, or got mushed in pile of trash on 8th ave. It's all a respect game, not too hard to play.
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Well said, Civ2000, and I'm with you. Obviously there are other reasons men and women of different ages hook up, but the shallow aspect certainly often come to the fore. I don't know that I completely agree that it's about the availability of prostitutes, however -- I think our culture in general worships and glorifies youth, and guys are responding to that.
I also find it funny that there are posts all across WSG about guys being with two girls and then complaining that they "weren't really into each other." So, they weren't gay enough but were only pretending and that's a problem. And here the complaint is that people are too gay (though I echo and agree with the whole issue of inappropriate public behavior) and that there's too much gay stuff around.
Apparently, the only correct equation for the world is bisexual women, who are, of course, primarily into guys and would only do a woman if the guy brought her into bed, and then would munch like a champ, and no hint of gay guys who would make men uncomfortable about their own sexuality. But these women had better have their priorities straight, because if they're just dykes, well, then, they're just messed up *%(#es, and that's another example of how things are screwed up.
(The other ironic equation here, of course, is all the complaining here that American women are only into dollars by guys who spend large amount of time obsessing about such women possibly getting too much of it.)
Personally, what makes [i]me[/i] sick is Christians, especially the evangelical, yapping that because they believe a certain way, that's somehow trump. Give me gay guys making out by the barrelful as opposed to one more priest or preacher lecturing me on politics or morality, or one more brainless idiot knocking on my door trying to convert me. I've had far more contact with clone-drone Christians who want to browbeat me about the rightness of their beliefs and the wrongness of mine than I have with gay culture trying to "make me gay" as though that were happening. Gay culture at least has the ability at times to be entertaining.
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Hey guys,
They (and you know who I mean) can do whatever they want. As long as I don't have to see it or hear about it. If it doesn't affect me, I don't really care one way or the other.
By the same token, I wouldn't want anyone imposing their beliefs, morals or values on me if what I'm doing doesn't affect them.
Live and let live,
Rock
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American Woman rant:
People wonder why I avoid them. Over the last couple months I've spent a bit of time getting to know a lady here in sex prison. I know better, really I do but I thought I would try it again. She seemed nice, pleasent even. Not too young, not too old, pretty without being beautiful but pretty enough.
We went to dinner a few times. Had fun, nice conversation I thought we felt comfortable with each other.
A few nights ago we were supposed to go see a movie and have a bit. When I picked her up she asked if we could go to my place instead. We hadn't been intimate yet so I'm thinking perhaps tonight is the night. We got to my place and she asked if she could use my shower, remarking that when she offers her self to a man the first time she likes to be clean and fresh.
Now remember I didn't invite her over, she invited her self. I didn't toss her into the shower she asked if she could use it. I reminded myself this isn't P4P so I would have to approach her a little different. Lit a few candels, put on some nice music, undressed and put on a robe etc. etc.
After her shower we started making love, kissing caressing did my favorite thing DATY to several orgasms for her. She then asked if she could return the favor so of course I said yes. She started with a full body boob massage, very nice. then setteled between my legs, licked my dick a time or two then told me she was having second thoughts (I had taken a shower 30 minutes before I picked her up so hygien was not the issue) and would I mind if we got dressed.
WOULD I MIND!!!!!!!!!
Got dressed, dropped her off, deleted the number from my cell phone. I know better, I really do. This wasn't the first time some shit like this happened to me but I swear it will be the last.
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You see Daddy Rulz, overseas half of that BULL SHIT wouldn't be necessary. One dinner, show her a good time and BANG!!!!!!
You would either be in it or moved on to another girl who wouldn't play with you.
Damm AMERICAN WOMEN sucks.... How sad one either discovered this later in life/career or if you are in the military overseas........
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Hi Daddy Rulz,
read your story....I think you were fucked over....well that is not literaly spoken!! I know what you mean. Happended to me also here in Holland (were the women also are veryyyyyy emancipated and BUT ugly imho)
I was in USA (Fl) back in 1994 for 14 days as my sisters boyfriend did invited us (he has a sister in Tampa which are married with a former US militairy man)
Also went a couple of days to Miami beach and Orlando.
Guess what??? Then I even din't look 2 seconds at US women. NOOOOOOOOOO SIR. My eyes were put on the many pretty and hot LATINAS I saw!!!!:-)
Ever since I am addicted to Latina AZZ,LEGS...and especialy PUSSY.
one advice: Go to mexico,Brasil,DR,Peru,Honduras or whatever Latino country (just make sure you learn some spanish or Portugese) and you will NEVER again WANT any AMERICAN WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT waiste your time with crapy women that don't know how to threat a man!!!
Latinas Rulzzzzzzzz.
Johan
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Johan007 sez:
"one advice: Go to mexico,Brasil,DR,Peru,Honduras or whatever Latino country (just make sure you learn some spanish or Portugese) and you will NEVER again WANT any AMERICAN WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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I told you so :)
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Yes, there are American women whom I would like to fuck but I ain't wasting my time trying to find opne when there is so much hassle free tang out there.