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Wooden Plank
Is rhyming slang for a Yank. If you think 1st world babes are waiting for American men to fuck them, jump in a time capsule. This is 2005, not 1945. England has been off rationing for over 50 years, Germany surrendered 60 years ago, the Korean war is also over (an armistice was declared oh around 1954 or so) and all that influences attitutes. Today, you will only be seen as a check waving liberator by the wretched of the earth, by those who are dirt poor. In 1st world Japan, for example, only a very small minority of women are interested in the white trash of Asia; they are the small minority who want out of Japan's social straight jacket. Girls just wanna have fun and if you are a fun living, free psending wooden plank, your dick will get a yank.
If anyone thinks some upper class Latina will fuck them or even look at them with anything but contempt, they know nothing about society south of the Rio Grande, imho. So, by all means ***** all you like about American women. But just remember: another American, or two, is banging each and every one of them. If you are not and if they are burning you, to paraphrase the great monger, JFK, ask not what their **** can do for you but what you can do for their ****. Develop some more strings to your bow, take a few leaves out of my book and you too will be a happy, AW loving monger.
Peace and pussy to all.
"Lonely women make good lovers".
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[QUOTE=Domino]Young women are made pretty so young guys will bang them so the species will carry on into the void. Nature has programmed it so that most human couples grow old together, much like swans who are higher up the ladder of being than we are. [/QUOTE]
You've posted a bunch of debateable things here. I'll just comment on this one. Growing old together is a fairly recent phenomenon - maybe 200 years at the most. Prior to that it was lucky if either partner lived past 40. That leaves about 199,000 years of "nature's programming" exactly the opposite of your assertion. Whatever point you're trying to make, please keep your pseudo-biological facts accurate.
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Life Expectancy
Global life expectancy is, according to the CIA Factbook, Weighted Average 67.47 years [url]http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_lif_exp_at_bir_tot_pop&int=-1[/url]
This, of course, does not break down for sex. In Mozambique, it is 31.3, something similar to what it may have been in Europe and White America some 200 years ago. One would also have to stabilize the variance over time and take out extraneous variables such as wars, famines and diseases past and present. Then, whilst noting that marriage itself and the nuclear family are both relatively recent byproducts of economic advance, one could still comfortably assert that most humans, like swans, are pre programmed to form one relationship with a member of the opposite sex and grow old with that person, whilst nothing that the definition of age, like Bill Clinton's definition of sex is rather mercurial and changes with the ages (which is why we would have to stablize the variance). Priests, mongers and others are exceptions to this general rule of society.
The mongers here, though they are an eclectic bunch, are not representative of society at large. For example, the sexual revolution of the 1970s was not as widespread as we were held to believe. Many did not partake in it.
Now that that is clear: let us hear it for American women and try to go at least a day without bitching the same hoary bs about them.
Bottom line: Some opinions here need to be challenged so that those who have been burned by American or other women may pick themselves up and get on with life. If you want to go to a third world country and buy love, by all means do. But don't expect Oprah Winfrey to hold you up as a role model.
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[QUOTE=Domino]whilst nothing that the definition of age, like Bill Clinton's definition of sex is rather mercurial and changes with the ages [/QUOTE]
The definition of age changes with the ages? Is that like saying that it depends on what the meaning of "is" is?
Now you've moved on to complete nonsense. The only thing you've said that is pertinent, and may be true, is that you can assert anything you want. That doesn't make it so.
The bottom line is that you insist humans are "pre-programmed" to grow old with one partner. That is not only unsupported, it is contrary to the facts. For almost all of human history, it was lucky if the parents were alive long enough to get one set of kids out the door. Until the industrial revolution people simply didn't grow old in any sense of the word. Since as a species we didn't live long enough to get old, we aren't pre-programmed for any kind of old age. Neither are we programmed for monogamy, or to become swans, or any other mystical claptrap you choose to make up. Quoting off-point statistics from the CIA doesn't change that.
As for American women and Oprah, I expect her to continue to tell them that they remain oppressed, and that their oppressors are American men. The women in the audience will all nod for the camera, and they, along with all the ladies in TV land will once again be validated in their permanent resentment towards American men. All except the ones that you encounter of course.
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On Topic
Hardbarg: Global life table are relevant as life expectancy and the definition of old is different in different parts of the world and for different classes, just as they always have been. 31.3 is the expected life expectancy in Mozambique but it is considered young on this board. The norm for humans, as for swans is monogamy.
Your last paragraph about Oprah is well written and has a witty barb against me. However, please pause and consider the cynical attitude it displays towards American women. My bottom line is continually droning on in this thread about how awful American women are helps nobody, least of all those who may have suffered at their hands.
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I do not think that anyone wakes up in the morning and decides to log into the WSG Forum to bash American women just for the hell of it. I'm sure most guys would rather be off somewhere engaged in sordid acts of debauchery.
American women are not bad in all respects. I have several who I would consider to good friends and decent people in general. They can be generous and even dependable up to a point. However, this only applies if your relationship is strictly platonic. The moment that you stick your dick into them things will change quickly and the entitlement mentality will come into force. These otherwise nice women would begin to think that you owe them big time because they let you stick your cock in their precious hole. A relationship where each person took care of their share of the tab suddenly becomes one where you are expected to foot the entire bill. Most American women regard pussy as a commodity and if you indulge in it you are expected to pay a high price. Seeing pussy as a commodity is not uniquely American but you have to admit that the women here place an outrageous value on their goods while trying to cheat you out of a fair deal. They even go so far as to pretend that they don't expect any returns for their services rendered. The really audacious ones will attempt to make you pre-pay without any intention of completing the transaction. What truly amazes me though is that my female friends think that this behavior is totally normal and acceptable. Yet still, they would never attempt to steal from a store or swindle someone out of money under other circumstances. Of course, this might just be due to the fact that the law would penalize them for such behavior, but there is no pussy police as it were when it comes to sex so they can get away with it.
We twenty-something guys in America can often get nice young tight "teaser pussy". It's called teaser pussy because the first piece is free and usually very good. The goal here is to get you hooked so that you come back for repeat helpings. If you go back for more you'll find out that the poor girl has a ton of credit card debt, can't make her rent or car payment that month, or that she ran up her cell phone bill and it's about to be cut off. The key to dealing with this is to take the teaser but avoid signing up for the service. This can be good for occasional relief but since it is always a one time deal you can forget having a relationship.
I just want to say one more thing to the older guys on here. Don't think that the young girls target only older guys for their money because they do the same thing with young handsome guys with rock hard bodies. I think that the young guys might fare better with girls looking for marriage along with the cash but that's about it.
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Domino
Domino, sorry pal, but you dont know what the fuck your talking about. You say that high class women south of the Rio Grande wont even look at us gringos, or if they do, look with contempt. I have never heard such bullshit in all my life. Thats all I go for when I go after "regular" girls in Peru. I was engaged to an upper class Peruvian who was white as rice and her family lived in a compound. She was nuts for me. The high class girls hate the machista attitude as much as the lower class girls do. It was so easy for me to pick up hot, white, well off chicks in Peru its laughable. Did the same thing in Cali Colombia. In Peru, its easy to find them. Go to the most exclusive clubs, high end restaurants, the mall, and they are all over the place. I had another girlfriend in Lima who was so hot I could cum just watching her undress. Upper class family, she was chief of an entire office for Nextel and her father was a high ranking government official who had other companies on the side.
It was SO fucking easy I still cant believe that you said that. I dont know what your problem is, but apparently you too, have become a pussified american male who doesnt know it yet. Go out with the Oprah clones brother, you can have them.
As for me, I will keep banging hot, white, upper class Peruvians while mongering the day away.
Enjoy your lovely, misjudged American she males.
Later
Milkster
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A few months ago, I was sitting in an airport lobby, saw two beautiful Russian twins, they were gorgeous, and they were immediately making passes at me. So I went up to them and talked someone into switching seats, got to sit next to them on the flight, and I have to defend American women is just futile, when so many better looking and better behaving women are found elsewhere.
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Grass is Greener
mikster: i am not sure why you are making smart assed remarks about me and american shemales; maybe it is some way of having a shot at american females and me, the messenger. the whole key with getting on with women is bringing something they want to the party. that something is not money. women will always opt for freedom (give me liberty or death) if given half a chance.
i know fat, balding, ugly guys in their 50s and 60s who have young american women lining up for the privilege of being banged by them. why? because they bring romance and music into their lives; they sing their way into their panties. look at bill clinton, mr smoothie; he would have no trouble sweet talking his way into many girls' panties even if he never rose to political prominence. he is a charmer and, more importantly, he plays the sax.
interesting you mention peru where a small group of white crypto fascists have bled the country since pizarro and spain's other thugs raped it centuries ago. forgive me if i don't fully believe you. check out the japan-nampa board. the all conquering white american guys there can't even get a fucking date, because they don't know how to get a date in japan, the usa or anywhere else. did thye ever go to high school?
if these peruvians/russians are the diamonds you say they are, they would be very much americanized and would be into shopping malls etc and would know ameircans tend to have more $$ than sugar cane farmers down the road.
sure, many guys here have been hit hard by american/british/australian women. shit happns, learn by your mistakes, stop bitching, get on with your life and look at the sunny side of things.
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Domino,
I, for one, actually appreciate your comments as of late. You remind us that before we start going too far in ripping on American "b_tches" we should take a hard look at ourselves. It helps give a balanced viewpoint on this particular subject.
[b]HOWEVER...[/b]
Many of those same viewpoints probably come from guys who speak from experience. Speaking only for myself, I have personally witnessed most of the feminine shortcomings mentioned here. My theory is that some people don't see those shortcomings because, let's face it, not everyone has had the opportunity to travel abroad and see the differences; if you've been raised on nothing but beans and rice then it's hard to believe someone who tells you of the Porterhouse steak they just had last night.
In addition, a lot of those differences exist because of different cultures. If a Latina, for example, is used to nothing but macho jerks in her dating pool, then imagine what a refreshing breath of fresh air a polite foriegner can be? Likewise, if a Westerner sees mostly gullible, pussified men in her dating scene then I imagine a more "manly" (not necessarily macho, but manly) male can be an intriguing prospect for her (as an example, the first time I ate dinner at my Mexican ex-girlfriends' house she was floored when I helped wash the dishes - go figure?).
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: (1) I agree this is more than a matter of "all Western women are fat, emasculating b_tches"; but (2) there is a distinct reason why soooo many of the guys posting here are saying basically the same things.
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Smut Villain
And I agree with you. In Australia, guys bomb the family courts: you get serious time in jail for stunts like that. I know guys there holding down 3 and 4 jobs to pay their alimony; totally stressed out and they love a good bar room brawl just to relieve the stress. I know one lady deliberately got pregnant by a very nice guy because she knew he would fork up for her and baby. I have no complaints with any of that and it is not confined to the USA.
My complaint is: this thread in particular sounds like an Oprah Winfrey for males show. A long long time ago, when I had free afternoon time, I would watch some Oprah or Jerry Springer or whatever, just the same way I drift in here. Two or three episodes were more than enough. It is the same with constantly bitching about American women. It takes two to tango.
Here in Japan, women pick me up for a bit of rough. I have actually been picked up on the street and paid to butt fuck a lady. Others pick me up because I am upper class. Others pick me up because of my artistic talents. Whatever floats their boat.
There is nothing new in any of this. Sailors have always scored well becauce they spend when they hit town and they are exotic. They give the illusion of a dream. Look at Thailand. When Operation Cobra hits town and the US Marines, Navy - and Coastguard :) - swarm ashore, the women come out of the woodwork to fuck them. Why? Because the Americans are the dream prize. And women, all women, every single woman in the world, love a dream. Your job is to be that dream. And the one card not to play is the money card.
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CBGB,
Yes, I would have to agree with your last paragraph 100%; I've definitely found the action much easier while travelling abroad. In fact, your entire post only illustrates my point about cultural differences being a key factor. Some speak of these differences as if they were genetic, but if that were true then these women wouldn't change when relocating to the States.
Domino,
You weren't in the Coast Guard by chance, were you? I'm former Navy myself (and I've had the opportunity to swim ashore in Thailand a few times BTW ;) )
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Domino
Domino, didnt really mean to attack you, sorry. The comments you made about upper class latin women was so foreign to me that it actually did make me laugh. I have never had the experience you mention. Those girls dont have to go for me, they usually stay in their own social circles and marry other well off, upper class latino men. They dont need me at all and had full knowledge that I was not rich because thats the first thing I tell women south of the border. I make no bones about it because I dont have time to waste. They still go out with me, fall in love from time to time and want me to live in their country rather then vice versa. I am no stud or Don Juan, I just dont care and I put the moves on anyone who makes me hot. As for them being fascists, I havent run across that too much but thats another topic for another day. This isnt only confined to Lima, I had the same experiences in Cali and Bogota. I simple think your wrong so we can agree to disagree.
I also disagree that most, or all, of imported third world women change and become americanized when they show up here. We will have to disagree with that one too.
As for Japan, I seriously dont know what any decent guys problem is in picking up women there. I was in Tokyo and had no problems whatsoever. I have posted in the past my method of "importing" japanese women to come here to visit me. They hop on planes and stay in my apartment for a week or so and then leave. Their not *****s, not bad girls, and have regular jobs and lives. Half of them have turned out to be smoking hot upon arrival. Next one due in May. I have no reason to bullshit you on any of this, I am anonomyous and will receive no accolades for my exploits. Its just a simple contribution to the board. I like Japanese women alot. I find them much much softer, sweeter, and more sensual then American women.
I never said ALL American women were bad. I distinctly remember saying I am talking in vast generalities and that is because in general its true. I am not going to search out for the one diamond in a sea of shit. Not when I can go elsewhere, or have them come here so easily and readily available. I have met 6 women from down south with USA Tourist Visas (an obvious sign they are well off) who have payed their own way here just to stay with me and see if there is a future between us. I usually get the itch for them to leave because I believe that I am simply not the marrying type. I know my weaknesses and my biggest one is strange pussy and until I either master it, or grow up, or whatever I will probably remain single. Giving in to my base desires is too easy and too much fun. hehehe
If it seems to bother so much I will cease bashing American women. You want them, their all yours. Good luck.
Later
Milkster
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Land of opportunity
Maybe not all third-world women change or become Americanized when they show up here, but they certainly catch-on very quickly to the standards and expectations enforced and put forth. Practices that have been commonly accepted and interwoven into American society (read she-males and pussified/chump males).
Personally, I agree with the equal rights, opportunities and treatment of both sexes. What I don't agree with is when this is used, often times, to take advantage - and be protected while doing so - by the crazy and insane divorce laws that exist in this country.
Experiences certainly vary here, and what some are able to do successfully, others have failed or are just not able to. My hat off to those who have managed to pull off their stunts with these ladies; seriously, and my sombrero off especially to those who have done/ do so with American women. By all means.
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What the F_ck!?!?!?!?
Is [b][u]THIS[/b][/u] what it takes to get with American females?!?!
[quote]he hit me so what?
Reply to: [email]anon-66746441@**********.org[/email]
Date: 2005-04-03, 5:12PM EDT
i dont CARE what my friends and family say! im in LOVE!!!! my boyfriend hit me the other night and gave me a black eye but it was MY FAULT! Why cant people understnd that? he loves me if he didn't then he wouldn't care when I messup. SO QUIT TELLING ME I SHOULD LEAVE HIM BECAUSE IM NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
[u](quoted from **********.org, "rants and raves" section)[/u]
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Call me crazy if you want, but in my experience logical people do not think like this. Two decades of "men should be more sensitive" and [u]this[/u] is what we get.
And people wonder why guys on in this forum keep complaining.