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[quote=Australiasucks]China is rapidly modernizing and becoming the new pinnacle of human progress. People used to say Japanese products were shit in the 1960s and 70s.[/quote]Ha ha ha. Tee hee hee. It is to laugh. I have lived here for 6 years now, and the one thing that China shouldn't be able to do wrong is produce more Chinese women (they are among the best products of evolution), and they can't even get *that* right. (They have a habit of aborting their baby girls such that there is something like a 20% excess of males to females here. In my school, I took the trouble to count a couple of classes today. 2:1, male: female in my classes. I won't bother to count again over the next week, since you are so hysterical that facts won't do any good talking to you anyway. You can look back over my other posts and see where I have posted many links that demonstrate the sex imbalance. It started an awful flame war a few months back.)
But.........even at a place where I worked before, the school saw fit to install a single window heater/ air conditioner in each room. It costs something like 600RMB per month for a single heater, and with the poor quality of heaters here, at least one heater is broken even single day. I asked the principal of the school: "What would be the problem with just having a boiler? I know that it costs at least 60,000RMB per month to heat the school one air conditioner at a time (and none of the halls, since no one sees fit to heat them up)?" He said to me: "Oh, well I worked at a school before, and sometimes the classrooms weren't occupied. So, a boiler was a waste of money because not every single classroom was occupied at all times?" (Huh? Huh? Huh?) I didn't even get into the conversation with him of a cost/ benefit calculation (i.e, it might work out cheaper to have a boiler because it not powered by electricity--very expensive here-- and that is only one thing that could be broken at any time EVEN IF some classrooms were heated while empty.) They have something like 30 pianos at this school, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is out of tune (that is what will happen if you put a piano into a building that is not much better than outdoors--or is at least so cold and damp during winter/ rainy times that it really defeats the purpose of having a building at all).
So, they are moving into another building and they took the air conditioners out of the classrooms at the beginning of last year's term (even though the school was closed for a month before school started again). At one point, the students were bringing blankets to class because you could see your breath in the classrooms. WTF? But it gets cuter: The school took all the air conditioners to the second floor (after they lied and said that they had been moved to a new school) and PAINTED them so that maybe we would believe that they were new. And this is on top of the fact that that school was government owned before and the provincial government sold it to a private investor-- who promptly proceeded to set about destroying the quality of the school by taking as many short cuts as possible.
This principle seems to extend to manufacturing. *Derisive laughter*. I have just finished reading a book called "Poorly Made In China" (Paul Midler). I suggest that you stop screeching long enough to be informed and check out that book. For fuck's sake, people here even have a hard time making shampoo to specification. And what's so bad is that China has had a 1,000 year lead on Japan and still managed to be overtaken by them.
What else? If you *actually* look on the ground, you will see that ALL police cars are foreign (mostly Volkswagen) and about 90% of cars that you will see on the street are foreign (and this is after the 100% surcharge that is put onto foreign vehicles). The people here are STILL buying foreign cars in preference to Chinese cars at 3x the price.
China also spends a lot of time worried about its exchange rate. And the reason is because they are trying to keep people employed based on lower wages (instead of higher quality-- and that's a diametric continuum of higher wages/ higher quality vs. lower wages/ lower quality) and they have bought up a bunch of money losing T bills that are going to turn to trash at the same rate that an eventual revaluation occurs. If there was such incredible technological quality here, then the exchange rate would be an afterthought (the same way it is in Japan or Canada or any other first world country that has floating exchange rates). *Actions speak louder than words!!!*
I can write well past the word limit, but recommend that you actually do some reading. Or is that too much to ask? [b]I think it is, and it appears that you are a troll.[/b] But add all the factual evidence that you have never bothered to look up (along with the ACTIVE AND PROFOUND hostility that Chinese people have toward *any* type of innovation of ANY type), and not only can you see that your statements are 150% wrong, but that they are not likely to come true in the foreseeable future. (Everything that needed to be figured out here was figured out in the Qin Dynasty- 230BC-- and never improved upon. Ever.)
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Volkswagen??? Volkswagen is German and they have plants in Wolfsburg and in Mexico. I used to own a Ford, constantly had to do work on it. Later dumped it for a Toyota, change the oil every three months, and it has not had a single problem. I bought the Ford for about 10k AUD, and spent over 5k AUD in parts. I bought the Toyota with 200,000 km, it now has nearly 400k. My Ford crapped out at 150k kilometers. Many of my American friends think GM and Ford cars that are made in Australia are of much better quality than those designed and made in the USA.
Right now Chinese made goods are considered poor by Western standards but anyhow if you go to your Walmart or local mall, you will see "Made in China" on virtually everything. China is propping up the US Dollar solely because Americans buy Chinese goods, any kind of trade war would cause the US Dollar to collapse. Obama seems to be instigating a trade war with China. I have friends in America, who work in many industries and see the US losing its ground on all fronts except a few. Medical care in the US is still better quality than most of the world. I am old enough to remember when people thought Hondas and Toyotas were shit cars, that was back in the late 60s and 70s. Then Japan caught on in the 1980s with high quality products that demolished Detroit and also American electronics makers like RCA and Zenith.
If you met me 15 years ago, I would not say all this stuff today. In an odd way I am kind of warning you that the direction of the USA in the current time period and over the last eight years will result in America's downfall.
Also at the rate at which all those illegal hispanics keep invading your country, the Anglo Euro population of America will soon be a minority. So far its been relatively quiet but if the economic crisis continues things will get ugly quickly. I guess you have to start saying Buenos Dias rather than Good Morning over there. I have seen California last year and had to seriously compare it to the early 1980s. Last year I thought I was in Guadalajara. Miami?? Oh fuck, is that Havana. Asians are flooding into Australia but relations between Anglos and Asians tend to be peaceful a lot more than what I see between Anglos and Hispanics in the USA.
Australia like Canada has a zero tolerance illegal immigration policy, the reason being is that both countries have generous social welfare programs, and if illegals came in both countries would be bankrupted in weeks maybe days.
Just look at this, in California, the most liberal American state:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCL2IqgjSc[/url]
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Ok, the subject was China.
1. That which is not Chinese is "foreign" (with respect to this discussion).
2. Volkswagen is a German company.
3. Volkswagen is not Chinese.
4. Therefore, Volkswagen is foreign with respect to China.
If you knew the mechanics of exchange rates, you might know that:
1. China spends a LOT more money propping up the US dollar than it is worth to do it (by dint of the fact that they hold on to so many of them and that sterilization costs are not free/ cheap.) Look it up.
2. The US has had a policy of benign neglect since the early 70s (i.e., there is no target on the exchange rate). There is a very good reason for this. Look it up.
3. The exchange rate has been through some huge changes, and the US did not fall into the sea (and if the US currency was going to collapse, it should have happened in the 70s during "The Great Inflation.")
I don't care for Paul Krugman, but he is right at least some of the time. His take on the Chinese currency issue.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/opinion/15krugman.html?scp=3&sq=paul%20krugman&st=cse[/url]
4. Japan did not demolish the US auto industry. It demolished itself. (Labor unions too strong.) Japanese cars are made right in the US-- below the Mason Dixon line where labor unions can't get out of pocket.
5. No nation was ever ruined by trade. If you read something with some analytical gravitas (I can see that you haven't), you might find out: Chinese people send goods to the US, they get dollars in return, they turn around and buy Treasury bills in exchange with the dollars, then they pay the costs of sterilization in order to keep their currency artificially low. In the meantime the accumulate more dollars that are going to make them take a bigger hit on revaluation. (The PRC government has gotten defiant over US prodding on the exchange rate. Pick up the WSJ.) Rest assured that the linked exchange rate will fail someday, because (other than currency boards) they ALL fail over the long run. (Look it up. That's the reason that most countries just let their exchange rates float.) The PRC is just using a stopgap measure to delay the inevitable.
6. It doesn't take illegals to bankrupt a public benefit system. Ever heard of a place called "Greece"?
[url]http://article.nationalreview.com/428116/updating-the-price-tag/deroy-murdock[/url]
Something like 4% of the country is illegal (US). If every single dollar used on illegal immigrants was saved, it wouldn't be enough to finance these programs that no one knows how to pay for. Not even 1/10th as much as necessary.
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Ok, the subject was China.
1. That which is not Chinese is "foreign" (with respect to this discussion).
2. Volkswagen is a German company.
3. Volkswagen is not Chinese.
4. Therefore, Volkswagen is foreign with respect to China.
If you knew the mechanics of exchange rates, you might know that:
1. China spends a LOT more money propping up the US dollar than it is worth to do it (by dint of the fact that they hold on to so many of them and that sterilization costs are not free/ cheap.) Look it up.
2. The US has had a policy of benign neglect since the early 70s (i.e., there is no target on the exchange rate). There is a very good reason for this. Look it up.
3. The exchange rate has been through some huge changes, and the US did not fall into the sea (and if the US currency was going to collapse, it should have happened in the 70s during "The Great Inflation.")
I don't care for Paul Krugman, but he is right at least some of the time. His take on the Chinese currency issue.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/opinion/15krugman.html?scp=3&sq=paul%20krugman&st=cse[/url]
4. Japan did not demolish the US auto industry. It demolished itself. (Labor unions too strong.) Japanese cars are made right in the US-- below the Mason Dixon line where labor unions can't get out of pocket.
5. No nation was ever ruined by trade. If you read something with some analytical gravitas (I can see that you haven't), you might find out: Chinese people send goods to the US, they get dollars in return, they turn around and buy Treasury bills in exchange with the dollars, then they pay the costs of sterilization in order to keep their currency artificially low. In the meantime the accumulate more dollars that are going to make them take a bigger hit on revaluation. (The PRC government has gotten defiant over US prodding on the exchange rate. Pick up the WSJ.) Rest assured that the linked exchange rate will fail someday, because (other than currency boards) they ALL fail over the long run. (Look it up. That's the reason that most countries just let their exchange rates float.) The PRC is just using a stopgap measure to delay the inevitable.
6. It doesn't take illegals to bankrupt a public benefit system. Ever heard of a place called "Greece"?
[url]http://article.nationalreview.com/428116/updating-the-price-tag/deroy-murdock[/url]
Something like 4% of the country is illegal (US). If every single dollar used on illegal immigrants was saved, it wouldn't be enough to finance these programs that no one knows how to pay for. Not even 1/10th as much as necessary.[/QUOTE]
The US in the the TOILET. I actually spent several years on the West Coast and during the 1990s the economy was great but even smart people knew it was a facade. I would not want to be there now, I have a very long list of friends who have told me about their current troubles and Australia is not suffering at all, the only Western country that outright avoided a recession. Then Bush came, 9-11 happened, US foreign policy became unsustainable because it is just too aggressive. That is why Obama showed up and in many ways he is weakening US foreign policy to accommodate a more multipolar world.
If America is so super why are you in China? It is extremely hard for Americans to accept this new reality. The British were going through the same thing after World War 2.
Illegals might be 4 percent but Spanish speakers are nearly 40 million, nothing wrong with that but you need one language for a society to function. Who knows maybe Europe could teach us a lesson on languages. So Spanish will eventually be the lingua franca of the USA, its only a question of when and not if.
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I find it a never ending source of interest how much right-wing economic opinion is posted in this thread! You gentlemen may question your servitude to the little lady, but never your real masters.
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I am not right wing, I even have Muslim friends. Right wing people in most Western countries love the USA. Mike from New York says you can get in trouble with the police simply for looking at a female the wrong way. Fuck that. If that was the case in Australia, half of the male population would be in prison.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I am not right wing, etc., etc.[/QUOTE]
You have enormous negativity against the U.S.A. in many of your recent postings containing misinformation that is completely uncalled for. Some members recently suggested to stay on topic. You continue to bash America. The country is not perfect. Nowhere is. I’d love to write a 5000 word essay here in reply but this is not the venue.
BTW, Australia is a closed continent regarding immigration. When I say closed, I mean there are many requirements that need to be fulfilled before residency is approved. Such was not the case in Europe and America.
Stay on topic for constructive criticism, postings and intelligent replies concerning women. That's not too much to request.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Just about every modern technological advances were created by an American. Limited vision. I think not. What country surpasses the USA. NONE
As I stated the ones who CAN'T get an AW. Those actors CAN get AW they just so happen to have married foreign women. Big difference.
If the guys on here were saying. Dam I banged so many AW. Just for a change of pace I tried a Brazilian and she treated me so good so I married her. That would be one thing.
But they are saying AW are no good, they give me a hard time, just want to take my money, every time I try they turn me down. I have to jump thru hoops. Woman from other countries in the world are better.
Well those are the guys I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
You didn't read that correctly. I never said we don't educate the world's children, I didn't say we didn't invent some of the greatest advancements of the last 100 years and I didn't say we don't have some very smart people in Government, Private Sector, at Universities and Colleges around the country.
What I am saying we have a country that agrees with revisionist, people that want to re-write history and sweep it under the rug. This country was largely founded on lies, colonialism, racism and ignorance, a legacy that dogs us today and stunts social/cultural development.
If we were a great country still, C.R.E.A.M wouldn't be the mantra most Americans adhere too.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]You have enormous negativity against the U.S.A. in many of your recent postings containing misinformation that is completely uncalled for. Some members recently suggested to stay on topic. You continue to bash America. The country is not perfect. Nowhere is. I’d love to write a 5000 word essay here in reply but this is not the venue.
BTW, Australia is a closed continent regarding immigration. When I say closed, I mean there are many requirements that need to be fulfilled before residency is approved. Such was not the case in Europe and America.
Stay on topic for constructive criticism, postings and intelligent replies concerning women. That's not too much to request.[/QUOTE]
Australia is a far more immigration friendly country than the USA or any EU country. I have met quite a few people who were kicked out of the US/Canada or could not integrate there but love Oz. You said it yourself that Denmark is closed to non EEC people. Australia takes people from all over the world, and its known fact that many immigrants in Australia envisioned going to America or Canada or even Europe. My own family was asked to fuck off by your great American government and we went down under instead. My grandparents were Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. Australia is a great place to live and you are welcome here, see it for yourself, many Europeans are impressed with our country, but its no secret that among EU countries British and Irish citizens have a much easier time getting to Oz. We don't want continental Nazis. Asians are here in large numbers, they would never get into Europe, me and friend saw news reel about the Paris riots, he is Arab and realizes although there are some racial tensions in Australia its nothing like Europe with its fascist history and tendencies.
Europe is okay for a visit, just would not live there. Also the way Muslims are treated in Europe reminds me of the way Jews were treated. Not all the Muslims there are extremists, they are a small percent. Even not all immigrants are Muslim. In Spain, many South Americans live there but are often treated worse than dirt by the Spaniards. Australia has its share of racial issues but runs better than almost any country I have visited, and I have been to many. America voted for Obama but only a few years ago many African Americans were left to die in New Orleans so what does that tell me?
I actually think the US is okay its just that many Americans get on their high horses too often.
Now back to topic lets study why American and Western women plain suck. I was actually moving back on topic and Mr Clan just sidetracked me again. I am stopping all the US bashing now and only going to post such things on the politics thread.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Australia is a far more immigration friendly country than the USA or any EU country.
Also the way Muslims are treated in Europe reminds me of the way Jews were treated. Not all the Muslims there are extremists, etc. [/QUOTE]
Just two important replies. Europe was immigrant friendly. Australian authorities today require immigrants to prove employment, a home and English language capability before granting a residency permit. Not the case in Europe or anywhere else.
Secondly, Jews in 1930’s Europe did not want to change the continent expecting others to conform to their religious beliefs. Many 1985-2010 muslims now in Europe demand and expect white society to completely conform to their ancient, barbaric, religious, fanatic beliefs. This is fact. You and other members are invited to re-read my post on this thread dated 3-09-10 #8538, first two paragraphs.
Now Muslims worldwide are again calling for the death of a newspaper cartoonist in Sweden and an official, governmental apology in Denmark because of drawings of mohammed published in local newspapers.
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Most of my experience with European Muslims have been with Turks in Germany and in the Netherlands, for the most part they are analogous to Mexicans in the US, do mostly menial jobs. I just did not find them threatening in any way. The Maghrebi in France are another issue, the Pakistanis in the UK are horrors. The plain truth is that Europeans have put all people of color in the same boat. Turks are treated like DIRT in Germany, even though they mostly do shit jobs that most Germans will not. There is one German Jewish politician who often likes to compare the situation of Turks to Jews, because they are the most convenient targets of racism. I even was waiting in a train station and saw a Turk and an East Asian man sitting together and some German told them to go back to where they came from and then starting yelling "Scheisse Auslander".
France right now has a KKK like environment, actually for the last few years. Recall LePen? Germany's Zu Guttenberg is an eerry reminder of a mustached Austrian. Here is a photo:
[url]http://www.bild.de/BILD/politik/2009/11/03/afghanistan/verteidigungsminister-zu-guttenberg-13887206-mfbq,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=465.jpg[/url]
European xenophobia is very real, have you been to Spain? The Spanish treat South Americans like subhumans, most South Americans are Catholic and speak Spanish but their darker skin complexions make them targets of racism in Spain.
Australia is much more immigrant friendly than most countries, the EU is a shut door, case closed. I admitted Australia has racism but significant progress has been made unlike Europe and even the US where racial tension still persists..even under Obama.
Australia got a lot of bad press because of Indian students getting bashed, but many Indians flee other countries to live in Australia. There is also a massive Sri Lankan community not far from me as well. The authorities began releasing the IDs of the assailants and many turned out to be Lebanese and Somali Muslims. I have gotten into brawls with Lebanese Muslims myself. Australia basically had an open door policy towards them and they repaid Australia by knocking Oz down, it resulted in Cronulla, but that was tiny compared to what happened outside Paris a few years back.
You have to admit that Russia is still pretty bad, I went there a while ago, put on a yarmulke, and nearly got my ass kicked.
In the US, because of wide scale illegal immigration, many people scapegoat Hispanics. I just put a link to a site showing a very ugly brawl in California.
Realistically no place on Earth is perfect.
But with regards to Europe, three forces are certain to affect Europe, Fascism, Islam, and Russia.
But anyway lets get back to why American/Western women are shit.
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[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]You have enormous negativity against the U.S.A. in many of your recent postings containing misinformation that is completely uncalled for. Some members recently suggested to stay on topic. You continue to bash America. The country is not perfect. Nowhere is. I’d love to write a 5000 word essay here in reply but this is not the venue.
BTW, Australia is a closed continent regarding immigration. When I say closed, I mean there are many requirements that need to be fulfilled before residency is approved. Such was not the case in Europe and America.
Stay on topic for constructive criticism, postings and intelligent replies concerning women. That's not too much to request.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree that Australia is a closed continent regarding immigration. My brother has been there 10-12 times (mostly Melbourne) and has indicated that one requirement to immigrate there is one's net worth needs to be close to a millon or so. To lessen the strain on their government/taxpayers. Contrast this with the USA immigration policy or Dominican Republic (about $40K worth) and it's hard to claim that Australia is less racist in this respect.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]
But anyway lets get back to why American/Western women are shit.[/QUOTE]
I second that.
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The beginning of the end of the the Western/American female as the ideal of beauty. A very long long time ago, the American female was the alpha ideal of femininity. Remember Marylin Monroe? Then came the counter culture of the 60s and women's liberation which forever changed the way women in the West saw each other. People became a lot more sexually liberated, and women themselves began to become more independent from their males partners. Granted, pre-marital sex happened often well before, but it was mostly behind closed doors. I think this will be seen as the turning point. It used to be that the man was the head of the house, the women took care of the household, many countries still hold onto this ideal. You see it in Asia, in Latin America, and even to a lesser degree in EE/Russia. Most women today now live in an economically level playing field. I have two sons, and I know for a fact they have it a lot worse than I did as a young man. Are the sexes really equal? I have a hard time believing it, if I said this in public, I would be lynched today, a long time ago even in our liberal English speaking societies people would assume that was as common sense as the sky is blue.
Even traveling in Asia, the popular culture sees a Western looking white female as the ideal of beauty. I travel to Asia quite a bit, and many locals think because I live in Australia, I have blonde beauties that cater to my every carnal desire, they assume the same for Americans and Europeans. In Japan, a white prostitute can easily become a multimillionaire because deep down many men in Japan have a fetish for white females. Believe me I have heard it all, the average girl I meet in Australia who has been there is often treated to expensive gifts, free housing, etc by their Japanese boyfriends. But they are seeing this from a distance in their own lands, where they assume the female is subservient to the male. This ideal is also why many Asian men do not have an issue with a foreigner dating their women, they even think its odd. Its only when these same men go to the West and see the reality, they discover that the ideal and reality are two very different things.
Its not only Asian men, I have seen it with Arabs and people of African origin. I work out with an African American from the US, and he such a clear fetish for blonde girls. White males tend to go towards Asians because they feel they will get better treatment, and have a more "traditional" experience. I usually avoid white females for this reason, and go to Asians, more pleasure and less headache. I like European females, but I think it was conditioning from my youth. I thought women like Monroe were the ideal.
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[QUOTE=Australiasucks]The US in the the TOILET. I actually spent several years on the West Coast and during the 1990s the economy was great but even smart people knew it was a facade. I would not want to be there now, I have a very long list of friends who have told me about their current troubles and Australia is not suffering at all, the only Western country that outright avoided a recession. Then Bush came, 9-11 happened, US foreign policy became unsustainable because it is just too aggressive. That is why Obama showed up and in many ways he is weakening US foreign policy to accommodate a more multipolar world.
If America is so super why are you in China? It is extremely hard for Americans to accept this new reality. The British were going through the same thing after World War 2.[/quote] There is Asian vagina here, full stop. There is not enough of it in the United States to keep me there. Also, I can make a living working 20 hours per week and have enough left over to save money and enjoy a nice piano and exercise 7 days per week. When I worked in the States, I made more money (in absolute dollars) but did not have access to Asian women (both freebie and P4P).
[quote]Illegals might be 4 percent but Spanish speakers are nearly 40 million, nothing wrong with that but you need one language for a society to function. Who knows maybe Europe could teach us a lesson on languages. So Spanish will eventually be the lingua franca of the USA, its only a question of when and not if.[/QUOTE]I can't talk about this anymore. This is getting boring. 13% of the US population is Hispanic, and that does not necessarily mean that they are native speakers of Spanish. If you want to go to any university in the States, it is all done in English (and remember that the university degree is the new high school diploma). Spanish speakers have the highest dropout rate in the whole country-- and that's high school, NOT university.
Do you know what is a lingua franca? Might I politely suggest that you look it up in the dictionary and then edit your post? Hint: Yiddish was the lingua franca among diaspora Jews, but it is not (so far as I know) an official language anywhere in the world. And come to all that, Spanish would have to go even further in the United States than English to become an official language (because English IS NOT the official language). Some things I have read (I will not include any links because you won't bother to read them as it appears that accurate information is not a precursor to your posts) have actually suggested that the monolingualization of the States (I know it's not a verb, but bear with me) is happening even faster now than before. (I was just reading something about it in the insufferable New York Times yesterday.)
But honestly, I pose you the question again: I don't see any single person from America spending nearly as much effort bashing Australia as you have bashing America. And there are over 10x more of us than you. We don't spend any time thinking about you. Why don't you return the favor and find a hobby?
I attest to the fact that America is just fine for men who have a decent income and don't live at home. I have a couple of relatives who have stomachs for black women (I don't) and each of them has 2 women and 3 kids with each woman (that is for a total of 6 children between two outside women). And these guys didn't even finish high school. It's just that they have game. If you don't (and most guys can't be alpha males because exceptional is some distance above the average BY DEFINITION), then there is no reason to be bitter and keep screeching like a man without Viagara. Just move on and enjoy what you can get where you can get it.