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Imagine a store that sells crappy merchandise. The service is poor, the quality is usually pretty poor and prices are way too high. They have a no-refund policy and no guarantees for anything.
Now imagine a bunch of guys that continue to shop at this store when there's 5 or 6 better ones just up the street. When you ask them why they still shop at this store, they give a bunch of excuses. It's too far, none of my friends shop there, I've never been there yet, etc, etc.
Sounds crazy right? But that's exactly what most guys here are doing when they keep trying to find a woman here. Our women are like the crappy store that I described. They won't change. So do what anyone with half a brain would do and take your business elsewhere.
Give a place with poor service a little competition and one of two things will happen. Either, they go under, or they shape up really fast and start doing a better job. This works the same way for women as well.
I really feel for guys that are married and stuck with someone already. But when I hear guys complain about the women here, then they say it's too hard for them to go get one somewhere else, I don't feel very sorry for them. I'm not gonna name any names, but you know who you are.
You can sit there and complain all you want, but if you really want to change things, you're gonna have to get off your ass. If that means taking a chance and spending some time and money, then so be it. If you want something, you're gonna have to get out there and do something to make it happen. That's the way life works.
No free rides, no second chances.
Rock
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Rock Dog
Everything you said is true to the letter, but the step you needed to list before "getting out there and making things happen" is to examine one's situation (refuse to accept "shit sandwiches" as the only item on the menu) get pissed at having accepted aforementioned menu item for so long and use that revelation as an impetus. There's no looking back after that...
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"For there is one thing I can safely say: that those bound by love must obey each other if they are to keep company long. Love will not be constrained by mastery; when mastery comes, the God of love at once beats his wings, and farewell -- he is gone. Love is a thing as free as any spirit; women naturally desire liberty, and not to be constrained like slaves; and so do men, if I shall tell the truth".
---Chaucer
'The Franklin's Tale'
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This week I got to see a direct comparison between American and Australian women in terms of their behavior. Sitting at a bar in a hotel, there was a large group of American women, they were stewardesses, and they couldn't stop bitching and complaining about things. They were also loud and obnoxious and rude. Out of boredom I tried to talk to one and she pretty much told me to get lost. Then a group of Australian stewardesses walked in, and the difference was like night and day. The Australians were upbeat, friendly, and very approachable, the American females just wanted you to fuck off.
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CBGBConnisur,
You've definitely touched on something with your recent post. What is it with the women here anyways? So many of them have this attitude. If they give you the brush-off and act like a b*tch, it's somehow supposed to mean that they're cool or something.
On the other hand, if they open up and talk to you, that makes them a loser somehow. I just don't get it. Maybe it's because of teaching kids not to talk to strangers for the last 20 years. Now they're all grown up and it's so deeply ingrained in them that they just don't know how anymore.
Hey, I was wondering about one other thing. When you chatted up the Aussie stewardesses, were the American ones looking over to see what was going on? I hope they saw you guys having a good time! I bet, deep down inside their shriveled cold little hearts, they were jealous as hell :D!
Rock
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Ok, I know I'm not an American woman and I don't usually hang out in this section any more, but...well...I was just sitting here, depressed, lonely and needing to talk to someone about how I'm feeling and then I thought, hey...I reckon the American Women guys would probably get quite a kick outta what I have to say.
So here goes...
I haven't had sex in months. Five, to be exact. I am beginning to feel old and tired and ugly and yet I know that can't be entirely true because people keep telling me otherwise. Just the other day, I told a woman I was thirty and she was shocked - she said she thought I was about 22. That made me smile for all of about, oh I don't know, a millisecond, before I looked over her shoulder and saw two teenagers pashing on the far side of the shopping centre and my heart sank again.
I just want to be touched, you know? Not necessarily sex...it's the feel of someone's flesh against my body, their hands on my skin, their lips on mine. To feel attractive and desirable and ALIVE again. You guys know what I mean?
I think some of you do...because I see some of how I'm feeling in a lot of your posts. I get angry at the guys who always seem to want someone younger or slimmer or blonder or bustier than I am. I tell myself that it's only because of my stubborn streak or my past or my sex drive or my independence...it's not my fault, it's theirs. I'm too much woman for them to handle. They are just too self-centred. Too fussy.
But that's not true...I know that. I'm just blaming them because I don't want to blame myself. And that's something I see a lot in this section of the Forum - there's a lot of talk about what's wrong with women, but not a lot of discussion about what's wrong with you guys. I'm not laying blame or casting judgement - I just know that I've been feeling lately that maybe I'm not good enough and maybe there's some reason why I'm so bad with relationships and maybe it's ALWAYS gonna be that way ...and so I blame the men instead, because to accept my own failings may mean that I have to accept being alone for the rest of my days.
I know that sounds melodramatic and when you look at it written down in front of you like I am right now, it seems childish to even think it. But rational or not, that's what creeps into my head whenever I think about the fact that nobody touches me any more. And that's why I posted this load of tripe on the board instead of just curling up alone in my bed and sulking. I'm not looking for pity or support or smartass jokes...I just wanted you guys to know that women sometimes feel angry and lost and lonely too.
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Hi RN -
Sorry to hear you are feeling a little down.
I think most of us guys here know there are a lot of women that have the same amount of gripes about men that we express here about women. Since most of us prefer women that are young, pretty and with "great" attitudes, I would expect that women that are getting older, and/or are overweight, and/or are not very pretty, and/or have bad attitudes/personalities to feel frustrated and angry with men.
I think it's generally accepted that this is the thread of the forum for guys to express their gripes and frustrations about American women. I think it's only natural for the same gender to gripe about what's wrong with "them" when they get together to talk (as we do here).
Although as you said, you are not an American woman (from Australia as I recall), it would be interesting to hear why an apparently attractive young woman (looks 22) would be so longing for male attention and affection. Is there some comment to made on Australian men? Something else?
Thanks - I hope tomorrow is a better day!
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Hi RN! you have 2 PM's rivaling a Tolstoy novel....
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Does anyone here have any comments on the Kobe Bryant case?
Personally, I am glad to see the case dismissed. I never saw him spending any time in jail. However, he does get blame for putting himself in such a compromising position. 8 minutes of "consensual sex" cost him at least $16 million dollars, and maybe a lot more in endorsements. Yeah, he cheated on his wife (like he'll be the last man to ever cheat on his significant other!)
As far as the accuser goes, she kept everyone twisting in the wind for over a year, then backs out of testifying in a criminal trial? But then she files a civil suit anyway. To be nice, I'll just say she is not credible. I have other opinions of her, but I don't want to spend the next 20 minutes typing about how much women like her are the reason men have to be wary of women.
There can be blame tossed all around in this case. I have learned a few things from this. Hope I don't get in a similar situation.
MP
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MP
You could take a route that I saw in a Playboy cartoon where the guy had the chick sign a legal agreement before they had sex! I laffed my ass off when I saw that...
Seriously though, to paraphrase a saying: "The price of avoiding the courtroom is eternal vigilance"...
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Ahhhh, the Kobe Bryant case.
What could I possibly have to say about that one? Not much that anyone else couldn't see after looking at it for 5 seconds. It's pretty much self-evident that the little b*tch was out to make some money right from the get-go.
Let's see, they get together and do it. Then later, after she's had some time to consider the possibilities, she decides to press charges. As soon as it looks doubtful that they'll get the guilty verdict, she bails on the whole thing. Now I hear that she's considering a civil case instead.
I'm sure many of you guys realize the difference between a civil case and a criminal one. In a criminal case the burden of proof is on the plaintiff to show that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It's the other way 'round in a civil case. That's why OJ got off in one, but got convicted in the other.
Obviously this woman knows the difference and will be looking to score big time by pushing ahead with a civil case. I bet she's gonna go for at least a 7 figure settlement. Even if she doesn't win, she'll try make as much as she can selling her story to the Enquirer, People magazine etc, as well as doing interviews.
Another good example of what our women are like here. They're always happy to fuck us, just not the way we hoped.
Rock
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AS an short add-on to my previous post,
It just goes to show you how careful you have to be these days where women are concerned. This is even more so if you have wealth, fame or some position of power.
There's so many women out there who will try and use sex as a means of tripping you up and then taking you for as much as they can.
A wise man once said, " a woman can run faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down."
Rock
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Jak,
I wasn't looking for sympathy, nor did I want to start a discussion about my sexlife (or lack thereof, as the case may be). And my post wasn't meant to be an attack on you guys in any way.
It was late at night and it was cold and dark and I found myself starting to think "All men are bastards... I'm better off without one" and going through all the things that men have done wrong to me in the past. And then I thought of you guys! lol
Not that I have a problem with anything you say, mind you. Like you said, this is a section specifically for whining about American women. I was here when this section was created and used to have a lot of input into it - we had heaps of fantastic discussions about relationships in general. I just thought that this section had become a little one-sided of late and that some of you guys who are hurting might feel better knowing that some of us women are hurting too.
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MP
a comment on the Kobe case...
Celebrities/athletes are like small fish wandering into the range of an Angler Fish (an American Woman that's looking for a big payday).
For those of you who have never seen a nature film of an Angler fish, it dangles an enticing part of its body to lure in the unsuspecting fish and then when it's in range of biting, it has its dinner. Does that sound familiar to all you out there? What makes me scratch my head is that these guys who should KNOW that they are targets STILL fall for this shit! I guess wealth and brains are an inverse rule when you're a celebrity.
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well, i've no idea whether or not a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] took place in kobe's hotel room, but there was a pretty public one of the accuser in this case, as far as i'm concerned. the level of incompetence demonstrated by the eagle county justice center was simply astonishing. as one columnist wrote, "who knew barney fife moved to colorado and became a judge?" let's see -- emailing closed testimony to the media, posting confidential information containing the victim's name on the website (in violation of the court's own orders) and simply letting bryant's lawyers trash the woman's reputation over (as well as use her name in open court after being directly told not to) and then admonishing the defense about violating the gag order.
notice that there was nothing damaging to kobe that was "accidentally" leaked -- ever. you didn't see a copy of kobe's interview with the sheriff -- it was someone from the defense giving their questionable "she had sex with someone else" theory. we didn't see the specifics of why he supposedly started crying if he thought the whole thing was consensual. gee, crying -- maybe's he's not emotionally stable or credible!
as far as the witness not being credible or bailing -- name me another case where three people were arrested for sending death threats to a victim. between that and being completely exposed and trashed nationally, i'm surprised she stuck it out as long as she did. i know [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is a he-said/she-said situation, and it's one we as guys always worry about because it's not only hard to answer but hard to regain your reputation -- but if you end up with the other person's blood on your clothes (as kobe did) you've gotta at least have a sense that some force may have been involved.
but if there's one thing this whole thing proves it's that if you've got enough money and can hire enough lawyers who will do absolutely anything to win, then you will win. especially if you're up against a bunch of small-town officials who turn into bumpkins in the glare of national media.