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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
About 5 or so years ago when this first started me and a buddy of mine read through it and tried a lot of it.
It's not in other countries because it's not needed. Only in America where the mentality is backwards you would use this to get chicks.
Then I started traveling and saw how real women are...
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]I think it is mostly in America-like countries. Also it is a business to make money from people's(men's) problems.
In other countries this bullshit is not needed. If you are normal guy you do not need to learn tricks to seduce a good woman in a normal way. Only in USA etc.. most guys have to jump over their heads to get some attention from an ugly broad.
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[QUOTE=Westy]Sounds like classic machismo, South American style.[/QUOTE]
No I don't think so, in Sweden for example, you basically just need to chat-up a girl. Dating American style doesn't quite apply and if all you wanted as a one-night stand, there's isn't as much aversion to it as in the US.
In Germany its pretty much US style without the typical attitude we've come accustom too in America.
That's why I've constantly said, I have much better selection in Western Europe than I have had at home and has nothing to do with my economic status, the women are just thinner and better looking. Also they don't have the same problems with teen pregnancy as we do (and the UK does) so the chances of you finding early to mid 30's women never married, without children is much higher and as I said they don't have elitist attitudes that often accompany women in the US.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]About 5 or so years ago when this first started me and a buddy of mine read through it and tried a lot of it.
It's not in other countries because it's not needed. Only in America where the mentality is backwards you would use this to get chicks.
Then I started traveling and saw how real women are...[/QUOTE]
Yep, I went right up to one of the best looking woman I've ever seen in Norway and she didn't bite my head off. I was a complete stranger and she didn't mind tell me at all what was going on in town. I already knew I just wanted to strike up a conversion.
I wasn't in any country long enough to settle-in and really take advantage that I was not in America anymore. I spent most of my time in Germany but I didn't have a handle on the nightlife yet. I have a better handle on it now, but I rather give up on casual pursuits and just focus on women that share the same end result I want.
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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I think this movement is only in your head.[/QUOTE]
It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America...
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[QUOTE=Jon32]It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America...[/QUOTE]What's remarkable, all this "pick up" movements make everything even worse, since it teaches men try harder to get women, men need to look better, to talk better, to be smartasses, to spend more money, to pretend to be "cool", "funny", etcc.. So women are getting worse, since now it's not them, now it is men who need to amuse the women. Too bad for the guys. Here in central Asia it is the women who need to amuse me. In addition to photomodel looks need to look for more qualities, and still hard to select one from the crowd. Many somewhat successful guys end up having several wives. In USA it is quite opposite. They would be "losers" as well as myself.
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Excuse me, DJ, my mistake - I meant to quote LG's "Pick-up artist movement" post, which you'd cited in the post I did quote.
I'm no 'James Bond' and I'm certainly no 'Ice Rapper' to be trying to pull the smart-azz routine for impressing any young woman. It suits my feelings much better to be polite and friendly - but then, I'm also convinced that I don't have anything about me to impress, entice, or elicit a favorable response from any woman in the USA who isn't already using blue rinse to pretty up her white hair.
The best I can be is a sugar-daddy ... okay. But my pension won't stretch far enough to sugar-daddy any USA woman I'd like to have as my sugar-baby. Oh well, in that respect it sucks to be me....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]No I don't think so, in Sweden for example, you basically just need to chat-up a girl. Dating American style doesn't quite apply and if all you wanted as a one-night stand, there's isn't as much aversion to it as in the US.
In Germany its pretty much US style without the typical attitude we've come accustom too in America.
That's why I've constantly said, I have much better selection in Western Europe than I have had at home and has nothing to do with my economic status, the women are just thinner and better looking. Also they don't have the same problems with teen pregnancy as we do (and the UK does) so the chances of you finding early to mid 30's women never married, without children is much higher and as I said they don't have elitist attitudes that often accompany women in the US.[/QUOTE]
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Cleavage?
Now don't get me wrong, I like me some titty, especially the dark nippled variety. And the women in my office know men like titty, because that's the one asset they always advertise with low cut blouses.
But with these women, who are an easy 20 pounds overweight each, I just have a hard time using the word "cleavage."
For them, the phrase "boob crack" will henceforth be used. My boss, who's actually got boobs, often will display a good four or five inches of boob crack.
I am just a man, so I avert my eyes sometimes or I'll be staring right at the boob crack. Despite the fact she wears more makeup than Marcel Marceau, despite the fact that she's an overbearing c#nt, my eyes can be drawn to the mysterious depths of the boob crack.
The other broad has no boobs at all. Tragic. But she still proudly displays her chest and the edges of her bra.
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[QUOTE=Jon32]It is quite big actually. And I think just proves how screwed up the mentality of the American woman is. Poor guys over there need to be taught how to get women now!
You will argue how it is the men's fault though, but I see it as the women being backwards.
Maybe everyone on this board is more alpha male than men in America.[/QUOTE]quite BIG by who's standard. What you mean is. A lot of guys read that crap. Well yeah. Does it work. Bullshit. You can't learn to pick up women thru no book, video. There are no scienticfic rules with women. They are emotional and illogical. Women sleep with guys for all kind/types of silly reasons. Cause she feels sorry for him. Or he has money. Or his eyes look good. Or he dresses good. There are no sure fired methods.
Now if you mean those guys sell a lot of books. Well there are alot of guys with no game. Sure. But if you are afraid of rejection. You will still get rejected so the book isn't going to change that. Thats like saying theres a real estate mogul movement going. Because all those guys on those commercials selling "Make a million using my real estate buying techniques" they sell alot of books also and are frequently on best seller list. But we are in a real estate bust right now.
If you are a shy guy. No book is going to turn your personality around instantly. They can't give you pat lines that work in every situation. All that is happening is Guys are making MONEY off of guys who have no game and seek to some. Its just the scam for the ages. The old tonic water of the millineum. And by the sound of it. You donated some funds to help make one of these guys rich too.
For every "Pick up book/technique" told to you. Women have 100 magazines articles, books tell them to do the complete opposite. Have you heard of that book '"the rules" a best seller. It tells women. Not to even kiss on the 1st date let alone fuck. You don't get the pussy until you commit. For life. Look at bristol palin. Getting paid. Traveling around the country. To tell young women to abstain until they're married. And this after she already has had a baby out of wed lock. I'm not arguing. Guys don't check it out. But a movement. Thats another thing completely. Women are a tough nut to crack and there are no sure fired ways. Just guys have confidence and get women and some don't. And those guys with it have tapped into the fact that those that don't will pay to try to get it. Thats all.
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I think plenty of men scratch their heads going to the grave trying to figure out women.
I'd say for sure that women generally seek men with some means to provide a comfortable level of living. And I'd say that some also hold men to a high level of etiquette and ass kissing for you to get into their pants.
But I also truly believe that some simply need a dude with somewhat compatible interests and life experiences. I generally can hit it off well with alcoholic women, but that's a road to trouble.
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[QUOTE=Lg Electronics]I'm not sure how many of you keep up on such things, but it seems like there's a "Pick up artist" movement in America, wherein men try to learn how to pick up women by purposely treating them badly so that they show how cool they are and women then want them. Does this. Exist in other countries?
I've traveled to around 20 other countries, but never for longer than 2 months, and so I've been wondering this for a really long time.
Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
LG Electronics, Great question!
"Pick up artist" movement practically not exists in Russia.
Although I heard, that small group of Russian in Moscow practice this.
Pick up in Russia happend naturaly. You just need to be in right mood and not afraid to start talking to woman.
If she interesting, the connection happend automatically.
I have to admit that pick up technique developed by Americans guys are very powerful
I tried it and even in Russia it works very well, accelerating the whole process.
It is interesting, I watched some guys in Russia, how they pick up girls.
Some of them use almost the same tactics as pick up artists, but do it intuitively.
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No means YES ?
There is an art to flirting. Some men are good at it and some aren't. For most guys the art of flirting gets easier when barriers are down and people are just being people. Unfortunately this doesn't happen in popular places where people go to hook up. IMHO those guys would do better being introduced to a girl through a friend of through other hobbies and interests.
For those that like to perform there will always be woman willing to watch you entertain them.
I never understood the "treat a girl like shit" routine to get laid. I guess I could see where a woman could get off on it but I totally don't understand it from a guy's point of view. Maybe I am over thinking it.
I guess these are all mysteries of the female gender. When I like somebody I let them know it. That' all I do.
I sound like andy rooney from 60 minutes!
Andy
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[QUOTE=Lenin]LG Electronics, Great question!
"Pick up artist" movement practically not exists in Russia.
Although I heard, that small group of Russian in Moscow practice this.
Pick up in Russia happend naturaly. You just need to be in right mood and not afraid to start talking to woman.
If she interesting, the connection happend automatically.
I have to admit that pick up technique developed by Americans guys are very powerful
I tried it and even in Russia it works very well, accelerating the whole process.
It is interesting, I watched some guys in Russia, how they pick up girls.
Some of them use almost the same tactics as pick up artists, but do it intuitively.[/QUOTE]In Russia and similar(FSU), one does not need those smartass tactics too much. Often even a shy guy can get incredible hot and nice woman.
Also sometime the reputation of being a "playboy" will make it even worse. Good women will avoid such guys.
Or another problem, if you are too good in this, you will have hard time managing all the girls and getting rid off them. I have already had this problem in FSU, even during last month, had to dump one crazy horny girl, also now another girl(who was dumped months ago) is trying to get back to me. Yesterday went to a friend's wedding and ended up partially fucking bride's best girlfriend after wedding in their hotel room. She is a horny 21 year old virgin, much younger than me, today she was messaging me asking how come I forget about her too quickly. In USA I would have almost no game. In USA it takes months trying hard to find something for me. Here it happens all the time.
BTW I'm not talking about average girls. By American standards they all would be 7-9, for some people 10. I do not even look at average girl here.
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[QUOTE=Goga Fung]What's remarkable, all this "pick up" movements make everything even worse, since it teaches men try harder to get women, men need to look better, to talk better, to be smartasses, to spend more money, to pretend to be "cool", "funny", etcc.. .[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but probably you have not seen the proper Pick Up artists's articles or videos.
They promote the exactly opposite that you think.
They don't teach to be a better guy.
They teach to be more dominant and demanding with women.
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[QUOTE=Lenin]Sorry, but probably you have not seen the proper Pick Up artists's articles or videos.
They promote the exactly opposite that you think.
They don't teach to be a better guy.
They teach to be more dominant and demanding with women.[/QUOTE]ok, I guess I was not accurate. I have seen those articles/videos. That is true, initially they say that you have to be dominant etc. The problem is that in feminist society this is not welcomed. There are even groups of guys who do it together. I have seen those guys in NYC, they spend years and lots of money and time trying it, learning, etcc. They are taught how to talk to girls, how to be interesting etc. In reality they do try hard with not much result for many of them. I was subscribed for their newsletter for while, after a while reading their emails, I had come to a conclusion it is still lots bullshit and wasting of time. In the best case one would probably get a somewhat better than average girl after lots of time and money spent.
The problem is that there are not enough "good" women in USA, no matter how hard they try, most people will not get shit. In other places I see some really messed up guys by American standards with no game(or opposite to pickup artists game) get fine girls all the time.