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Keep her in a small town?
Well that would partly depend on what she was used to back home. My wife lived in a city where there are about 6 million people. Now we live in a Canadian city with maybe 700,000 tops. She went with me to visit my old home town (pop 40,000) and told me she was glad we didn't have to live there.
Why? Because it would have been totally boring. Even where we are right now, the night life doesn't compare. Sure the roads are better and people drive nicer cars. But there's a lot more to living and being happy than these material things.
Something to think about for those planning to "import".
Rock
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women
I have spent the last 4 months moving from Christchurch New Zealand, pop 300,000 to a little town in Australia pop 60,000. Between moving country I took a tour (work related) through the mid west of America. Now I have to say I think women are the same the world over. I think quality of life is not achieved in either a big city or a small city but in a inner peace and happiness. Theres just more to do in a big city, not a bad thing either. Smaller cities offer a different entertainment and it will mainly be around your friendship circle more than clubs and pubs.
They want Money, security etc. Its the same things our mothers wanted (although granted they didn't have the job opportunities we have now) its the same thing our grandmothers wanted.
Sadly for you men I can't see this changing for a while. When it does and you men can openly date only wealthy women you will know that equality has been reached.
This basic need women have for financial security is based on the fact that we might have to give up our career to have children and stay at home for a few years (choices ofcourse). While we are staying at home, doing the taxi duty to school and sports etc we want to know that the man that we have given up our career for can support us. I know it might be wrong to think like that but if a woman is honest that is how they think. Who knows why I doubt we even know ourselves.
As for the car issue. Cars are a sign of wealth, generally you can sum up how much a man or woman earns by the car they drive. Women are not the only ones to do this, men do it to each other as well. Its just a pity that we all forget that most people don't own the car they drive but are working their backsides off to make the payments and insurance.
Really wealth is health and not financial. Its happiness and honesty and dating someone that you are comfortable with. In the end if you don't want the cost of the date and divorce find a good hooker. It will probably be cheaper to see her once a week than pay for the divorce.
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CB I think your theory is half-baked.
You know what would most likely happen in that situation? The woman would have a breakdown and pack her bags and head straight fucking back where she came from!
Most women who come here for marriage SEVERELY miss their own countries, and it's a huge sacrifice for them to come here. People have this motherfucking arrogant attitude that they are doing these girls a FAVOR by taking them away.
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Well it is better that she likes you for you and not that she is in a desperate situation and looking to escape. The lady I met is not desperate, she seems to live well but not luxuriously, has an ok job and her own apartment, but gets bored and thinks I entertain her well. Lets see how long this lasts, regardless, in this new century women are all going to be the same. If you really want loyal company, get a puppy.
Girls in other countries have lower standards, but they have a similar logic as AWs, they want a guy that can take care of them. The girl I met, her father is a drunk alcholic and she says most of the men in her country are like that. So me who is not a drunk and a wife beater, I am a something different to her.
Who knows if you are doing them a favor, in some circumstances, if you take them in, and take care of them, yes. If you plan to make them your servant, no.
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Men Are Not Women
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That is the typical double standard...
If I use Sex Services where it is legal, I must not be serious about a long term relationship.
So as I am searching for my beloved, I need to go without any???
That just doesn't make any sense...
I went to Kiev to meet the previously mentioned and didn't use any services though I thought about it seriously when I was at River Palace. I don't believe I'll be able to ever pull a woman that looked like the one I pulled under normal circumstances and I didn't "take out" I left her there.
I had a feeling the "Professional Clubber" was a Part-timer and when she confirmed what I had thought was the case, I declined her offer.
So no I wasn't a Sex Tourist in Kiev... Neither was I in Germany, even though I used it, its because it was:
a) Local (Frankfurt RLD)
b) inexpensive by American standards
And I only used it when my German contacts all went sour.
So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious... ;)
What I want is not unreasonable at all and very possible. Without knowing me on a personal level maybe I have a hard time trying to convince you that my reasons are sincere.
I like the Kiev woman, I just feel I can do a bit better, so my search continues.
You must like replying to my post, I thought you had a boyfriend???
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[QUOTE=Mmbmmb]
Yes, it’s not the same though how do you want to build wealth if you can’t generate income? Besides if the cardiologist you know have lifestyles that may discourage savings/investing in favor of consuming it’s a question of their character.[/QUOTE]
You need to be able to generate [i]some[/i] income. The main problem for people in the United States is that they tend to spend all (or even more) than what they earn. So, if you earn a lot you spend a lot. If you earn more, you spend more. There's no savings to fall back on; no investments generating income.
I'm not sure exactly what you are thinking when you are talking about the "character" of these buddy doctors. These folks are good people. If they don't have much financial discipline, well, not a lot of Americans do. Most people adopt financial discipline because circumstances demand it and give it up when it's not required.
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Its not easy to make money anywhere on the planet, everywhere you go its the same. The girl I met thought she was going to live real well in Germany and found out the hard truth. She just squeaks by, anything she earns gets spent very quickly.
Doctors in the US earn big money, if I am not mistaken the average PCP can make over 200K a year, several times the average salary of an American worker. Of course it would be easy for them to save with their high earnings, but for the average person, this does not work.
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Anybody can end up with lot's of money if they really want it. It's a matter of the choices they make in life and what kind of plans they have. Get rich quick is simply not realistic for 98% of all people.
But if you were 20 yrs old (male or female) and you wanted to be well-off by sometime in your 40's..... that's not impossible at all. Go get educated, work steady, leave off on expensive houses and cars, and don't get married. You'll be 45 years old and able to consider retirement in the country of your choice.
Wanna drive a fancy newer car all the time? OK fine, but is it worth having if it means you're putting off your retirement for an extra 5 years? Maybe not... but it's a choice. Wanna get a big show home? Go for it..... cost 10 years minimum. Wanna get married and have kids? You'll be paying for that one way or another until the day you die.
People are always bitching and whining about how they "can't get ahead". Maybe they could get ahead if they didn't keep putting themselves in the hole all the time with the choices they make.
Oh, and please don't anybody try telling me how home ownership is such a great investment. It's not. Property taxes, interest charges on the mortgage, utilities and insurance will (over the long run) cost you way more than you'll ever make from increased property value.
Rock
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Doctors in the US earn big money, if I am not mistaken the average PCP can make over 200K a year, several times the average salary of an American worker. Of course it would be easy for them to save with their high earnings, but for the average person, this does not work.[/QUOTE]
It's getting more difficult for Doctors to make the big $$$$$ because their Medical malpractice insurance rates are so high and also having to deal with the insurance paper work of their patients. It's not a life I envy at all. In the old days it was pretty easy for them to make the big $$$$ but not any more.
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It's even worse
Astor Bryan,
Yes, you are correct in reference to malpractice insurance. It's a killer.
What's even worse are the HMO's and their networks. If you want to be in the HMO network, you have to take their "lowball" fees and write everything else off. A doc in America could make great money prior to the HMO movement but those were the good old days.
So, if you factor in malpractice insurance, HMO lowballing, student loans, overhead, federal tax, state tax and private employment tax, etc., these guys are facing major league issues.
Paddy
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Rock, you gotta remember, you live in one of the WORST places on the globe to invest in real estate.
My parents just barely broke even three times in the past couple decades on houses, not even counting for inflation :P
On the other hand, here in the Bronx I just about doubled the money I put into a house in just over 3 years!
And the place we are buying in Colombia has gone up 25% just in 6 months!
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[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Its not easy to make money anywhere on the planet, everywhere you go its the same. The girl I met thought she was going to live real well in Germany and found out the hard truth. She just squeaks by, anything she earns gets spent very quickly.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so you meet (obviously) poor [u]immigrants[/u] in Germany and then keep posting about German girls not being able to afford a car, among others?
Your pseudo analysis is a joke. Dude, you know nothing about Germany and Germans, so save the bandwidth, ok?
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[QUOTE=Leeuwen]Ok, so you meet (obviously) poor [u]immigrants[/u] in Germany and then keep posting about German girls not being able to afford a car, among others?
Your pseudo analysis is a joke. Dude, you know nothing about Germany and Germans, so save the bandwidth, ok?[/QUOTE]
It depends upon the type of the car, most European cars tend to be small economy sized models. I did not think the girl I met was poor she seemed to live
ok. 200K plus a year is a pretty good physician income a lot more than most European countries, including Germany, oh fyi the lady who rented me my apartment just happens to be a German physician, she rents places to make extra cash. Oh and another thing, I actually have several doctors in my family, and I really don't think they are suffering financially, of course HMOs and malpractice costs are hitting them but they are still earning well.
There is a flood of EE women in Western Europe, no big surprise, people go where they perceive there is money but Europe is still anti immigrant and even a blonde EE has difficulty integrating into Western European countries. I have seen EE women in Hong Kong and Dubai as well, it won't surprise me to see more white faces in Asia in the coming years.
Leeuwen, I do know that Germans tend to be among the most miserable people on Earth. Having spent an extended period of time there I would not want to live in Germany.
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Alright, just don't assume I ever questioned income of American MDs, because I didn't.
Investing in properties and renting apartments is quite a big business over here. You still own your apartment, its value increases every year, plus you make money out of it.
Also our EE cousins noticed this business can provide a well needed income. What is really annoying, is that they charge more or less WE rates for a rat hole you wouldn't pay even fraction of what they ask for.
For instance, an apartment in Minsk (Belorus) costs on average 50 euro a day. Say the owner gets 7 booked nights. That makes 350 euro. Compare it to average monthly salary there, which is 200-250 euro. Not bad, huh?
Regarding Germans - Yes, not the most beloved people on planet Earth, but who cares? Certainly not Germans.
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Dj FourMoney,
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]That is the typical double standard.
If I use Sex Services where it is legal, I must not be serious about a long term relationship.
So as I am searching for my beloved, I need to go without any?
That just doesn't make any sense. [/QUOTE]Double standard? Hmmm, I only asked how do you want to find love going to FFK or River Palace?
Any what? Sex? Of course you can go and look for it. And it doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not. I think you could do the same in Kiev, Poland, USA or Norway. In my country it isn’t legal but I didn’t hear that someone went to jail because he slept with a prostitute
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So no I wasn't a Sex Tourist in Kiev. Neither was I in Germany, even though I used it, its because it was:
A) Local (Frankfurt RLD)
Be) inexpensive by American standards
And I only used it when my German contacts all went sour.
So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious. [/QUOTE]DJ, imagine that an American guy is going to Thailand. He wants to relax on the beach and to meet pretty girls what doesn’t mean that he came there as a sex tourist. During his stay he meets only hookers or hhmm let’s say "damaged" women. He sees that the local girls are hot and so inexpensive by American standard and because he’s already in Thailand why shouldn’t he have some fun? How do you think, how local people would call such holidays if not sex tourism?
But the name you call it isn't really important. [QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So I spent the last 15 days of my trip to build a new roster, get laid and go with my last trump card, which was Kiev oddly enough.
Success after 3 days and I have it on video if your curious.
What I want is not unreasonable at all and very possible. Without knowing me on a personal level maybe I have a hard time trying to convince you that my reasons are sincere.
I like the Kiev woman, I just feel I can do a bit better, so my search continues. You must like replying to my post, I thought you had a boyfriend? [/QUOTE]No DJ, I’m not so curious though I’m sure the video is interesting:.)
And yes, I have a boyfriend, a wonderful man, but it doesn’t change the fact that I can like you. And I like you because I really believe that, even without knowing you on personal level, your reasons are sincere. And as the only one man you decided to stop complaining and to check by yourself if Europe is a paradise full of decent women.
I should apologize you for my post from 6th July. It was not only ironical but also malicious. I shouldn’t write it. I did it maybe because lately, more and more, I become cynical. I’m sorry.
You know DJ, I write what I think because I know we’ll never meet in the real life and nobody will sue me, you, Jelly Donut or anyone else on this forum for what we write. I think it’s sick if a man approaches woman, he tells her that she’s beautiful and after he’s arrested and accused of harassment. And as we know it can happen, thanks the post of Super Brko. If people can’t talk to each other anymore we’ll come one day to a situation that we’ll be afraid to answer the question "what time is it? " because the personal dignity of someone can be destroyed by the tone of our voice or the face expression. Nobody would like to pay 10 000 $ for it. Do you know what I mean?
And if we can talk sincerely and because men aren't women I’ll write you why young women (not only American) don’t want to have family nowadays. The answer is simple: because it’s fucking unprofitable.
We live in a world where money is nearly a deity and people care only of themselves. I live in Poland so let my country be an example but I don’t think that the situation in USA is so much different.
1)When a girl graduate university she‘ll look for a good job. The employers don’t look for a young girl who can have babies soon (= who will go to a maternity leave, take days-off because the children are I'll, can’t stay longer at work etc)
2)The cost of raising a child is very high. The state doesn’t help. The public health service and schools are mostly shitty. The people I know pay a lot of money not only for private pediatricians but also private tutors, sport classes and so on. Why should you spend your money on child if you could go for holidays in Brazil or to buy a new Lexus? 3)Family needs time. How will you find it if you work 10-12h a day? If you want to earn decent money 10-12 h day of work is normal. In Poland additionally the society is still conservative. Women should take care of house and children. Young girls don’t want anymore to have 2 jobs, at home and outside it.
4)When you have a child, for at least the first 3 years of its life it needs intense care of mother. It’s 3 years when you shouldn’t work and if you don’t work you have no income. Often you don’t pay a fee for your retirement and you depend on the husband’s income. It isn’t comfortable situation when you ask someone else for money. You also waste years which you could use to gain more work experiences, additional education etc
5)Raising children and caring about the house a lot of women don’t work. What will happen if a husband dies or wants a divorce. Suddenly you’re in situation when you have not only to take care of children and house but you think where to find good job, having no work experiences and qualifications because through 10 years you was only a cleaning lady, a cook and a nanny.
6)Being pregnant means often to put on weight, stretch marks, cellulite and other things which won’t help you to feel like Pam Andreson. In the world where appearance is as much important as money you prefer to adopt a child from Africa, Asia or South America. You not only will save you silhouette but also you’ll show your friends how wonderful heart you have. And what’s more important you can adopt a child even when you’re 40, giving birth to your own one is risky at this age.
7)Having family you have to agree for compromises. If you’re single you can do what you want. Besides being a single isn’t a social stigma anymore. It’s even in fashion. There are holidays for singles, clubs for singles, cafés for singles and soon there will be bank accounts, credits, cars, stores etc for singles. When you have no family it doesn’t mean that you’re sitting at home alone watching TV.
Now family is expensive and demanding duty for the rest of your life, especially for a woman. Who would like to decide for it? The argument that you’ll have care at old age is a bullshit. When you are 70 your children have their own family, problems and jobs. Now people have no opportunities to take care of their parents because they work and sometimes live in the other part of the country. And nobody won’t decide to give up a job because he/she won’t be able to pay for eg mother’s medicines. Child is an luxury good now, not a cheap worker and help at home as it was in the past when we talk about developed countries.
And does one really need a husband now? When you have a husband you have to take care about him, support him, help him with his problems etc. Isn’t it unnecessary problem? Especially if in 15-20 years he will want to replace you by "a new model". You can have sex with your acquaintance, eventually to simply pay for it. I’ve heard that Egypt or Tunisia are perfect places for sex tourism for women. You can find there cheap, exotic, handsome boys and nobody will know what you were doing during holidays. And the boys don’t care if you’re 50 or 60 and how you look.
I started to think that we live in unfair world where people are disposable thing and all discussion here is "art for art" as we say in Poland. But maybe I became really cynical.
It’s interesting what Jelly Donut wrote:
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]You need to be able to generate some income. The main problem for people in the United States is that they tend to spend all (or even more) than what they earn. So, if you earn a lot you spend a lot. If you earn more, you spend more. There's no savings to fall back on; no investments generating income. I'm not sure exactly what you are thinking when you are talking about the "character" of these buddy doctors. These folks are good people. If they don't have much financial discipline, well, not a lot of Americans do. Most people adopt financial discipline because circumstances demand it and give it up when it's not required[/QUOTE]Writing about character I meant that it doesn’t matter if you’re a doctor, a worker constructor or a lawyer. The amount of money you spend has nothing to do with someone’s education. It depends how strong is someone’s character, if this person can say to oneself " I can live without it. I prefer to drive old Ford but to save money and to invest it at home or something else". I was writing about a character which help you to bear hardships of life. JD is right. A lot of people in developed countries have so good conditions of life that they can’t imagine their grandparents lived in the other way. I remember how my grandparent told me about his childhood during the II World War and when he was finding dead bodies in the forest. He also told me that even before the war education was so expensive that most people finished only primary school and they hadn’t washing machines, cars or microwaves. Will the tough circumstances force people to the discipline (not only financial)? I remember the Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and the news that someone killed his sister because she didn’t want to share the last box of cereals with him so I wouldn’t want to convince myself about it.