There is a possibility that there are a few really "****ty" women taking care of multiple guys needs and balancing the equation that way. To which I say, if it's true, point me in their direction PLEASE! :P
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There is a possibility that there are a few really "****ty" women taking care of multiple guys needs and balancing the equation that way. To which I say, if it's true, point me in their direction PLEASE! :P
"you can figure out the number of abortions, who has them, which women have had more than one. these are not secrets (the names, yes, but not the numbers)."
are you out of your fucking mind? you think all the abortions that are performed end up being measured somehow? you ever hear of a black market? you ever hear of a coat hanger? you ever hear of latin american countries where this is totally hush-hush and back alley? you think that in the us with the religious right and the anti- rowe vs. wade crowd and differing state laws that there are no unrecorded abortions?
jesus fucking christ if an abortion is not a secret and under-reported thing i do not know what is unless it is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] for god's sakes.
"compare what men say and what women say and see if they add up." oh my goodness. can someone else with better communication skills clue this guy up? rubbie?
q: "president bush, what do you think of rowe vs. wade?"
a: "however they got out of new orleans is fine with me."
this is the most ignorant post i have seen in quite a long time.
I had the perfect answer to Jelly's post..... then I read Bango's reply and realized he'd left nothing more for me to say.
DH, ouch! Kind of harsh?
As far as surveys go, if a woman feels like her answers will be 100% confidential, she MIGHT actually tell the truth. But I still think a lot of them lie about this kind of thing no matter what the circumstances. Definitely a large enough percentage to throw off the validity of the results.
So what is the truth anyways? It's probably not what Bango suggested. There may be a few girls out there doing the nasty with large numbers of men.... but wouldn't that be exactly the behavior they like to accuse us of doing? My guess is that a lot of women cheat, fuck around and do whatever. Then a large number of them lie about it. They lie to their men, lie to their friends, lie on the survey and they even lie to themselves.
This, in my opinion, accounts for most of the difference that shows up in these surveys. Frankly, I'm surprised at the number of them that DO admit what they're doing.
Rock
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]There is a possibility that there are a few really "****ty" women taking care of multiple guys needs and balancing the equation that way. To which I say, if it's true, point me in their direction PLEASE! :P[/QUOTE]
I just assumed that was how it worked. There's a smaller group of women having sex with a larger number of guys. I think DB has a good point - whatever BS AWs are tossing around is just being used to frame a conversation in favor of AWs. If guys are little pigs, there are some women out there that are such huge swine that the equation balances out.
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Are you out of your fucking mind? You think all the abortions that are performed end up being measured somehow? You ever hear of a black market? You ever hear of a coat hanger? .[/QUOTE]
Abortion is legal in the United States and the numbers are tracked. It's been legal since the 1970's and the numbers on illegal abortions in the United States are quite low.
I haven't really been keeping up with this discussion of late, but it seems to me you've gone from b*tching and moaning that American women are all frigid, to b*tching and moaning that American women are all closet sl*ts. Am I missing something here???
I don't think people generally lie on sex surveys - women, in particular, probably take advantage of the fact that they can be completely honest about their sexual activity for once, without having to panic that someone is gonna judge them.
But surveys can be skewed depending on where the pool of participants came from. Interviewing a group of women at a sexual health clinic, for example, will get a very different set of answers than a random phone/mail survey will. Having both married and single women in the same survey really screws with the results, as does including women with small children, or sourcing participants solely from religious or feminist networks. A magazine survey conducted by Cleo or Cosmo would get different results than one conducted by Who or Business Weekly. I think bad research practices would be more to blame for the different stats than participants lying.
For the record, I don't think there's a small group of women doing a large number of men. I think women are just as likely to be out there having casual sex and affairs as you guys are. We just can't talk about it honestly and openly, because we get judged and branded for it.
PS: Rock...
Are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? On a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
Sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
And Chocha...
The girl said her cheating didn't count because he didn't put it all the way in? Women don't count casual encounters as sex partners? Do you have any idea how many clients have said to me that having sex with hookers doesn't count! Or what about the guys that come in and ask for a nude massage and hand relief because it's 'not as bad as having sex'? What about all the guys I've blown because they think oral sex 'doesn't count' as cheating on their wife?
I agree that people often justify their sexual behaviour in bizarre ways, but it's certainly not restricted to women. Men are pretty darn good at it as well.
i'm posting this in here as an example of why women sometimes get a bit bitter and jaded about men. men like this guy aren't doing the rest of you any favours.
i just received this private message:
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i dont respect any women married or not.. because most cheat. and most women can not be trusted. you are a woman you fucking know this. dont bull shit a fucking bull shitter. why do women married or not dress like *****s!!!! no no they dont want to be a *****!!! havens to bid. but most want to dress like a *****. with there short short dresses. i have seen happily married women with their hubbies dress like a *****. whats with that??? women i have cohabitated with still dress like a *****. i know whats under that skirt, thank you i dont want the neighborhood to see whats under there. then a woman wonder why she gets [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]!!!! i do respect a ***** that fucks for money its an open transaction no bull shit . both parties know the score. besides marriage to a north american woman is no good the laws are all for her in courts ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the guy for all his assets heavy alimony child support its not worth it. they get filthy fucking fat fat fat and then hold out for sex. please exscuse me i will always fuck *****s they are more honest than a fucking married ***** and a non married *****. and women are smartter than men (cunning as a shit house rat) a guy thats on plan a ha ha ha fuck shes been to plan b c d e while the guy is figureing out plan a.
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firstly, if you ever send me something like that again and i will go straight to jackson.
secondly, my last post said that i believe women cheat just as much as men do, so i have no fkn clue what you're raving on about.
thirdly, only a misogynist neanderthal would tell a women how she can and can't dress, let alone suggest that she deserves to get raped because of it.
and lastly, i'm glad you like wh*res so much, because with an attitude like that, no woman would ever want to spend time with you for free.
[quote=rubber nursey]ps: rock...
are you really condemning women for having affairs and then lying about it? on a site where tens of thousands of men come to chat about their extramarital sexual activity and even share ways to hide their mongering from their wives???
sorry, but with all due respect, you guys calling women 'cunning and deceptive' because they have casual sex and don't admit it, is a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
and chocha...
the girl said her cheating didn't count because he didn't put it all the way in? women don't count casual encounters as sex partners? do you have any idea how many clients have said to me that having sex with hookers doesn't count! or what about the guys that come in and ask for a nude massage and hand relief because it's 'not as bad as having sex'? what about all the guys i've blown because they think oral sex 'doesn't count' as cheating on their wife?
i agree that people often justify their sexual behaviour in bizarre ways, but it's certainly not restricted to women. men are pretty darn good at it as well.[/quote]
rn,
i think the men you're referring to are called politicians. they are amazing creatures and can take it up the ass without being gay. of late, quite a number have been in the us media giving testimony to that fact. clinton was able to get some brain from monica and avoid cheating on hillary.
however, i still have to admit that men are small timers when it comes to fucking around, lying and making a woman feel like she is the only one in the world. women are far better at doing this. do you know any guys who can convince a woman that a child from another woman is actually her child for over twenty years? perhaps not, but women convince cuckholded men all the time that some other guy's child is actually their own. approximately 25% of children don't belong to the man who thinks he is the biological father. this is not chocha monger's crazy ideas but rather the results of peer reviewed scientific studies.
so while there are guys like taiwan guy who gets his cock sniffed by his wife before she lets him in the door because he's had some hooker pussy, women are still by and large the slicker sex. i'd have never thought of sniffing my wife's **** when she got home late and i have at least average intelligence for a man. yet, women think of things like that. if i were married i wouldn't fuck hookers. i'd save my money and root the wifey's pussy to pieces seeing that it would be costing me a pretty penny to keep around anyways. i'm the kind of guy who drives cars until they fall apart before buying a new one. even the old ones work fine as long as you put in a quart of oil every now and then.
the only problem is that marriage is a real con game. you see most women like to fuck like minks in the early year or two of a long term relationship but if you keep fucking them 6 or 8 times a day they eventually start complaining and then it's time to move on. unfortunately, i'm not rich enough to divorce every few years when the pussy dries up like the nomadic tribesmen of the middle eastern deserts who move from one oasis to another when the water dries up.
Nope, I've had literally thousands of clients and waaaaay more than half of the married ones considered sex with me 'not cheating', either because he was paying for it or because we did something other than intercourse. And that's only the guys who actually said it - others may have been thinking it!
I'm not so sure the baby thing is a good example of women's manipulative powers compared to men - he'd have to be a pretty impressive liar to convince a woman she gave birth to someone else's baby! :) But I know what you're saying and it's awful that women would do that. Mind you, plenty of men have other children out there that they haven't told their wife about...to exes, or one-nighters, or affairs. Some guys have entire other families! I know that's kinda different because of the child support etc angle, but it's still a pretty huge deception.
Don't get me wrong...I know women can be lying, cheating b*tches. I'm just saying that I (and the majority of my female friends) have been on the receiving end of exactly the same crap from men. Both sexes are as bad as each other when it comes to honesty and fidelity.
Same goes for men giving up on sex shortly into the relationship, for that matter. I've complained on this Forum many times about past boyfriends with ridiculously low libidos, who 'forced' me to go off in search of some strange. Then there's the guys who 'let themselves go' once you've been together for a while and spend all day on the couch in front of the telly, don't want to go out any more, stop shaving, get fat...sound familiar?
Just out of interest, I've had a number of boyfriends who have used a variation of your 'cock sniffing' trick. God forbid a woman might come home from a party/trip and refuse cunnilingus! Usually I only say no to oral sex if I've got my period and I've had to actually prove that's the case, more than once. It happened to me just a couple of days ago after returning from a week away. I was refusing my bloke's advances and trying to give him a blowjob and he took that as me trying to stop him getting too close and discovering I'd been with someone else!
Which is quite silly, really, coz if I was gonna screw around (which I didn't do anyway) I would have used a condom. And had a shower. *rolls eyes*
RN, what it is is I think it's a denial mechanism. America is going down the shithole, and nobody wants to see the elephant in the room. So what do they do, they employ the classic strategy of using a SCAPEGOAT. Sometimes that scapegoat is hillbillies, immigrants, people who speak a different language, etc. In the case of this forum it's AW.
The truth of the matter is exactly as you said it, women get just as fucked around by men here as men do by women. Guys, if you think women have PARADISE here in the USA you are DREAMING! The fact is the USA is fucked for both men and women AT THE SAME TIME, and for the SAME REASON.
What you should be worried about is dragging those anti-social tendencies bred into almost every single one of us DOWN with you to your expat destination of choice and fucking things up just as royally. Oh but hey, I'm sure you'll be on this forum quicker than shit to turn around and SLAM the women wherever you are. It's like the old quote "we have met the enemy and he is us".
Who do you think is the principal victim in the sex tourism game? I mean you have guys right here on this site such as my self spending thousands of dollars and time which could be put to other productive uses just to go party in such fleshpots as Thailand and the Philippines. I mean I can't complain I earn damn decent living but I know I am an anomaly. For me it’s just a hobby as I have a great steady girl friend and I am fairly young guy. It’s an addictive hobby. I mean these women are getting paid to have sex. I would be naïve to say it’s a dream job but as I said they are getting paid to have sex. What about the guys spending life savings, the children college fund, etc...hiding these expenses from the wife. Who do you think is getting damaged the most? Mentally, Physically, Emotionally and Financially. Most people will say the girls mentally. I will say you can argue the Johns also take a mental bashing? I think.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]RN, what it is is I think it's a denial mechanism. America is going down the shithole, and nobody wants to see the elephant in the room. So what do they do, they employ the classic strategy of using a SCAPEGOAT. Sometimes that scapegoat is hillbillies, immigrants, people who speak a different language, etc. In the case of this forum it's AW.
The truth of the matter is exactly as you said it, women get just as fucked around by men here as men do by women. Guys, if you think women have PARADISE here in the USA you are DREAMING! The fact is the USA is fucked for both men and women AT THE SAME TIME, and for the SAME REASON.
What you should be worried about is dragging those anti-social tendencies bred into almost every single one of us DOWN with you to your expat destination of choice and fucking things up just as royally. Oh but hey, I'm sure you'll be on this forum quicker than shit to turn around and SLAM the women wherever you are. It's like the old quote "we have met the enemy and he is us".[/QUOTE]
I agree with you mostly the only thing I can say is this -
When I preach the problems with AW, I generally get an understanding nod from the people within ear shot.
I am not anti-social nor do I harbor ill feelings towards most women. I just don't feel the need to play the game they have largely created because of their bad choices when it comes to men. I have long said that some women should have other people select their mates because they do such a poor job of if themselves. Same goes for Men, but I think some men are desiring to be controlled by some woman.
Why should I date an ugly woman or an ugly and fat woman??? That is what is largely available to me because I -
A) I don't make $50,000 a year
B) I drive a car most people under 25 would own (I love it!)
C) I live at home (changing soon)
Okay so it looks like I will be buying real estate. However I do not care to use that to my advantage with local women. I feel I'll get a better quality "over there" just plain BETTER.
Not saying I can't find that here and not likely in my social circle...
Its much quicker to go to Europe. I did not go to Europe and fuck around on anybody I was committed to because I wasn't committed to anybody. Now one particular German woman my disagree with that, but the TRUTH was, I put her 2nd on the list which she didn't like and tried selection #1. That backfired and I generally didn't recover from that.
So I am not being an expat and fucking up the market over there.
I like European women because they largely don't care about A or B. C would happen regardless, so they are not worried about that either.
Looking for some clarification....
when you say you've had:[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]literally thousands of clients[/QUOTE] it seems to me you are contradicting this idea:[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] I don't think there's a small group of women doing a large number of men.[/QUOTE]
All it would take is an almost insignificant number of nymphomaniacs to account for hundreds of thousands of guys getting laid, right? Even a woman who you would not call a "nymphomaniac", say, a woman with a sex-drive on par with an average guy, is going to score [i]way[/i] more than that guy.
And generally, guys are driven less and less by sex as they get older - while women tend to get more interested in it as they start running low on eggs. Seriously, I run into a number of AWs in thier late 20's and early 30's who are basically being compelled by biology and time; it seems to me they are an extremely easy mark for a guy. I'm sure the numbers for some of these women get up there.
I don't think hookers count, Jelly. :) Even the most rabid nympho probably wouldn't clock up those sorts of numbers. And you're assuming that the men out there who say they're getting heaps of sex, are actually telling the truth...
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Now you're saying that men lose interest in sex as they get older and women get more horny - so how does that fit in with the usual complaint in this thread, that you guys want it all the time and it's your wives that are losing interest???
Seriously, I really don't get you guys. Women just can't win...they're either frigid or they're putting it out all over the place. They can't be both!
Q. What's the difference between a sl*t and a b*tch?
A. A sl*t fucks everyone...a b*tch fucks everyone but you.