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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I disagree. Have you seen some of the P4P ladies on CL. All freaking shapes and sizes. There are ladies on there that I would not fuck with your dick....had one lady, a 3 toothed BBW, who has ads on CL, tell me her phone was always ringing off the hook. Of course I made a U turn when I saw her. [b]For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, [/b]we will fuck anything that moves if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.[/QUOTE]
I have never used CL for anything yet. I expect to never use CL for P4P as I don't monger in the US.
If you are being sincere and truthful in your post, then I can only say that I am WAY out of the loop. The only men that I can imagine having no standards and going with what you described are recently released long-term criminals, mentally ill men, drug addicts and alcoholics, and maybe physically handicapped men.
Even then, I can't believe there will be so many such men going after the BBWs on CL that these BBWs would make much money. Many years ago when I was in college, I used to see a homeless man regularly on the streets near where I grocery shopped. One evening, he was walking hand-in-hand with a homeless woman. It looked like they decided to be GF/BF. While she was dirty and probably playing with less than a full deck, she wasn't fat, seemed to have all her front teeth, seemed in her 30's, I thought that if she cleaned up she might look pretty decent. In my mind I wished them some happiness in their otherwise sad lives. My point is that even a homeless man found something better than your CL BBW.
A man with a decent job, decent looking, and healthy, just wouldn't touch that.
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[QUOTE=George90]
A man with a decent job, decent looking, and healthy, just wouldn't touch that.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been to a fetish club ? There are guys into that stuff. I think most guys would bust a nut on something substandard as long as nobody knew about it. There is always use for pussy whether it's just for a BJ a hand job or what have you. I'm guilty of it at least in my mind!
America is prison mentality. You either take or you get what you get. Luckily there are those of us that can leave the playing field.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The culture. American men are always going out of their way to be nice to women in the hope of getting some pussy. Many, immigrant women soon realize that pussy rules in America. Then they promptly use it to whip the men chasing after them into shape. Soon after daily supplication from scores of vagina worshipers the women lose all respect for American men and treat them accordingly to the approval of her American sisters.
As long as men buy women free drinks, dinners and jewelry in order to "get lucky," women who come to this country will continue to change. They're just adapting to their surroundings.[/QUOTE]
Well said and Fairly true.
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Its the Economy Stupid!
We have just started to see the effects of this mess...
On the social front however local pussy will not improve very much. True that many single mothers and newly single divorced women are moving back in with their parents. Men do not hold them accountable for "going backwards" as women call us "Loser" for the same thing.
We as group (by us I mean We on this forum) must continue to do what works for us. Why stay local to save money? You will spend more locally to get nothing than you would spending a little more and going overseas.
Mexico despite the recent flu scare is still super affordable (13.5-1 exchange) and if you just require sex and not much else (GFE) then $60 is a flipping bargain.
If you require long term relations, your best option is still outside the country if your not a conformist...
Let's be honest, in all sectors and age groups you will do better overseas.
But this isn't for everybody.
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Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here. It's a real problem for the local guys! Latina women, many of whom have Electra complexes, often [b]prefer[/b] older men for many reasons. That holds true whether they are into local men, gringos, or both. The older I get, the more sorry I feel for these local guys. Not.
American men let American women push them around, so they get pushed around. It's like baseball. If the hitter crowds the plate, the pitcher must throw high and tight to reclaim that portion of the plate that is rightfully his. It doesn't mean the pitcher has to throw at the batter's head.
Do you guys believe in the hereafter? I am not religious, but I believe in the hereafter. You need to talk to these American women about your belief in the hereafter. Now, in any dating situation, you don't want to talk about deeply held beliefs on the first date. Personally, I think the third date is an appropriate time to discuss the hereafter. As in, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone."
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here. It's a real problem for the local guys! Latina women, many of whom have Electra complexes, often [b]prefer[/b] older men for many reasons. That holds true whether they are into local men, gringos, or both. The older I get, the more sorry I feel for these local guys. Not.
American men let American women push them around, so they get pushed around. It's like baseball. If the hitter crowds the plate, the pitcher must throw high and tight to reclaim that portion of the plate that is rightfully his. It doesn't mean the pitcher has to throw at the batter's head.
Do you guys believe in the hereafter? I am not religious, but I believe in the hereafter. You need to talk to these American women about your belief in the hereafter. Now, in any dating situation, you don't want to talk about deeply held beliefs on the first date. Personally, I think the third date is an appropriate time to discuss the hereafter. As in, "If you're not here after what I'm here after, you're going to be here after I'm gone."
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.[/QUOTE]I have a buddy here is the US doing the same thing. And better yet the girl is in her 20's and he doesn't pay her anything. She lives in the same complex and her husband works nights (postal worker), so she tip toes over to my buddies and he services her like twice a week. Some times she even brings the meal. Oh and she's hot. I wish I was doing her. Thats for sure.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51. She lives with a local guy to whom she variously refers as her boyfriend, husband, or partner, depending on her mood and the circumstances. They are not legally married. He is 29 or 30 and has a steady job. She runs her own barber shop. He pays all the bills. She comes over and fucks me once or twice a week. Because she has this (whatever you want to call him; "cuckold" comes to mind but some of you will need to look that up), we can't go out in public.
Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat, take her to the movies, or take her shopping. I can't meet her family or any of her friends. She comes over, we have coffee or tea and chat a bit, we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used. Truly, it's devastating.
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks. I just wish she would stop borrowing my car all the time. Oh, wait a minute; I don't have or need a car and she does not know how to drive.
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings in order for it to happen every so often on their terms.[/QUOTE]
You poor poor guy :-)
ROFLMAO
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hey it ain't all peaches and cream. latinos have a different concept of time. one night last week she told me she would come over and she didn't, but said she would be over in the morning. i cried all the way to the nearest wh@rehouse. this is an extremely difficult situation because i live on the 22nd floor and i have to decide whether to go all the way down to the lobby and then two doors down and pay $25 us or go to either the 17th floor (which i have to go down a flight of stairs since one set of elevators serves the even numbered floors and another the odd numbered) or the 14th floor and pay $20 us.
you fucks don't realize the complex decision matrices you encounter when there are literally 50 wh@houses within a 5 block radius of your house. check out
[url]www.gozanos.com.ar[/url]
which is just a rough example of what i have to deal with every day. or
[url]www.eltemplodeandrea.com[/url]
where they brutally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you the minute you walk in the door. it just makes me feel so violated.
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[QUOTE=Dickhead]Having lived in Latin America for six plus years, I can assure you that age discrimination is a real problem here...
For four years now I've been fucking this Latina (among many others, of course). She is 34 and I am 51...Imagine how disappointed I am that I can't take her out to eat...She comes over...we fuck, I cook a meal, she does the dishes, we fuck again, she makes the bed, and then I give her $45 US and she leaves. I feel so used...
But she can't really compete with an American woman because she lacks so many things such as tattoos; piercings; children; cigarette, alcohol, and drug use; a pot belly; and stretch marks...
You guys just can't imagine how much I miss the deeper and more soulful relationships I used to have with American women, where sex was a sacred thing and I had to be in tune with their feelings...[/QUOTE]
Thanks DickH, you always make me laugh. He's only truly cuckolded if it's known to him and his community.
I see so many decent looking AM with fat fugly AW. So yes, AM are desparate schmucks who lower their standards. Not all, to be sure, but far too many who are more than willing to assist AW in their delusions.
Gotta love the age discrimination. Going soon to S. America to visit my friend. She's 32 I'm in my late 40's. She asks for nothing monetarily, is a well-paid educated professional, sees our age differential as perfect, and doesn't care that I'm not rich and I don't shower her with expensive gifts.
Have another one in Japan, similar conditions.
Both of them have banging hot bodies, great attitudes, are enjoyable friends, fuck my brains out, I make dinner, they do the dishes, we fuck again. I don't pay them anything. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Met an AW at work, a single mom, very attractive. At first she was friendly, positive, seemed receptive to knowing me. But then after we had spent more time together I made the mistake of telling her of a visit from my Japanese friend, she immediately iced over, asking why I "can't" (not won't) find anyone closer.
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[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I disagree. Have you seen some of the P4P ladies on CL. All freaking shapes and sizes. There are ladies on there that I would not fuck with your dick....had one lady, a 3 toothed BBW, who has ads on CL, tell me her phone was always ringing off the hook. Of course I made a U turn when I saw her. For most American men there is no minimum level of physical attractiveness, we will fuck anything that moves, if we are horny enough.......including a hole in a tree.[/QUOTE]
Captain,
I can’t relate to that level of desperation. If a woman isn’t attractive by commonly accepted measures, clean and mentally stable to some degree I can’t see myself rooting her even with guarantees that no one else would ever know. I need to see a pleasing physical profile to get an erection. It has always been that way for me even as a teenager with raging hormones. I always turned down the fat and ugly chicks. Some guys settled for a warm wet place to stick their dicks.
Pleasure should be about memories that you can cherish not images that you have to repress. You have to be pretty ruthless to fuck someone who is not sexually appealing to you in the least respect. It’s not as though coming and shitting are the same. You can shit in any toilet relieve yourself. The appearance of the toilet doesn’t matter though the sanitary aspect might. The main aim is to relieve your bowels. Fucking any woman for sexual release, no matter how repulsive, requires you to regard pussy in the same regard as a toilet.
Then again there are guys out there who get off on that shit. They get a rush out of fucking fat women, ugly women, crippled women, even psycho women. However, I don’t believe this is typical of the average American male. If it were, the marketers would need to redefine who qualifies as a model for cosmetic and beer commercials.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Then again there are guys out there who get off on that shit. They get a rush out of fucking fat women, ugly women, crippled women, even psycho women. However, I don’t believe this is typical of the average American male. If it were, the marketers would need to redefine who qualifies as a model for cosmetic and beer commercials.[/QUOTE]I think it is much simpler. In general AM would prefer good-looking women. The only reason they settle with not so good-looking women because nothing else is available.
Recently in an airplane I saw a family - 3 kids and a guy, very decently-looking, probably in his mid 40s. I thought it was only him and his 3 kids. There was an old women next to him, I thought she was going separately, or maybe their grandma. I was shocked when heard that the kids call her mommy.
My impression(of course I could be wrong, I'm not from USA) that many guys in USA would settle with the first pussy they find no matter how ugly it is.
Of course there are some good-looking girls too, I guess not enough for everybody unfortunately.
Just another example. Once on an airplane to Curacao, next to me was a good-looking guy. Next to him was a fatty pretty ugly women. She was also looking really pissed because of something. It was also quite a surprise to find out that it was his GF/fiance/wife. I could not understand why in the first place you'd to to Curacao with a girl;) unless she is gorgeous. But the worse, why would you hang out with this type of a girl anyway if you're a normal guy.
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[quote=goga fung]i think it is much simpler. in general am would prefer good-looking women. the only reason they settle with not so good-looking women because nothing else is available.[/quote]
when i was in my twenties and was watching peers get married and started being around more married guys, i used to wonder about some of the women these guys chose to marry. now for myself, i would choose a great personality over a pretty face, as i know it is not worth the drama to get with a pretty woman who is psychotic.
as some of these guys turned to cheating on their wives and i saw lots of married guys mongering, i began to think that some guys [i]intenionally[/i] marry women they are not attracted to (for some reason, perhaps money) and then get hot pussy on the side. i now see that many of those guys had that as their game plan right from the start.
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I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.
Also AM have to also look at them selves. A lot of AM are just as fat if not fatter than AW. So if anything they match, its not a one way street.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.
Most of the time its easier not because the women are different. They are just poorer and looking for the best provider like AW.
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[quote=george90]when i was in my twenties and was watching peers get married and started being around more married guys, i used to wonder about some of the women these guys chose to marry. now for myself, i would choose a great personality over a pretty face, as i know it is not worth the drama to get with a pretty woman who is psychotic.
as some of these guys turned to cheating on their wives and i saw lots of married guys mongering, i began to think that some guys [i]intenionally[/i] marry women they are not attracted to (for some reason, perhaps money) and then get hot pussy on the side. i now see that many of those guys had that as their game plan right from the start.[/quote]i guess it's good for them if it works out. but i would still marry a beautiful girl (i've done it once, and have no regrets at all although i divorced her) and still if necessary would monger.
i see no point to marry a woman you are not attracted too. why would you force yourself to be with a women you do not like?
also potentially it could be really a problem. for example one my friend married an aw when they were in their early twenties. she was a relatively good person(compared to other aw) but far from good-looking.
in about 10 years she was becoming fatter and fatter, then had some kids, but the guy was still looking young and good. so he ended up cheating on her. eventually she found out, so they had divorce, courts, spending lots of money on lawyers to have his right to see kids, etc..
so i see no point to marry a bad-looking woman even though you plan on cheating on her. since she can be capable to mess you up really badly.
for now the only option i see is to marry(or live with) a beautiful girl in another country and not to deal with this usa drama bullshit. and still have access to other hot girls whenever i need to.
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[QUOTE=Thatguy865]I think a lot of this is just generalizations. There are fat and ugly women in every country who are married.
There is no country where the majority of women are beautiful. If that was the case, it would be known all around the world.
Also AM have to also look at them selves. A lot of AM are just as fat if not fatter than AW. So if anything they match, its not a one way street.
If you are good looking then you will attract and can get good looking AW, unless you lack confidence, or are impatient and think a woman is suppose to fuck you just cause you ask. Otherwise there are plenty of fine AW.
Let face there is every race on earth in America, so if you like japanese women. America has them.
You like Brazilian. America has them.
You name it. They are in America. So obviously there has to be plenty of beautiful slim AW.
A lot of mongers are just salty on AW because they have had bad relationships or been turned down by the beautiful women, so their only recourse is to put them down to justify having to go where there are easier pickings.
Most of the time its easier not because the women are different. They are just poorer and looking for the best provider like AW.[/QUOTE]
Well you seem like a guy that's had a fair amount of success with AW, this would be the only reason why you would come in this thread posting stuff like this.
I am not salty at all.
That's an assumption and you know what happens when you "think" you know something.
By American standards I'm a looser. I don't make a killing at work, I live at home and I drive a car somebody in their early 20's should be driving. I'll be the first to admit I'm not in a position to support anybody but myself and even that's a stretch.
That is the three strikes rule with AW women. Starting at the top of course...
Now if you just HAVE to have a relationship, you can downgrade. However I find it very problematic to have to "settle" because I have up to this point decided to live an unconventional lifestyle.
You basically have two choices -
Date what you can (which many American men of all stripes end up doing)
Not Date at all (which many won't do for various reasons)
This gives average and below average women power in the marketplace where they really shouldn't have any.
In Latin countries, you are the man BE ONE. This is not measured by how much money is in your wallet or what car you drive as Dickhead has pointed out several times.
In America its backwards, you have to prove your worthy, I find that disturbing.
Just what IS a attractive single mother with 2 or 3 children worth on the open market? Less than a equally attractive girl without children you can be for sure, but the single mother until she is burned several times will not lower her requirements, in fact they double or triple because of the children.
So at 38 years old, are you trying to tell me even if I don't lack self confidence that I should have no trouble dating? To be fair I limit myself quite a bit, so my market is very narrow.
The market in a target rich environment such as Los Angeles is based on factors that I just can't compete with. Once I upgrade my status to be able to compete, I won't be available, not to local talent anyway and that's by design.
There are not enough women in America that disagree with the "made up ideal man" check list that many women here have, just read any personal ad...
If you're lucky enough to date locally, you'll find your selection is not what its cracked up to be, given what's on the surface.
In short dating/marrying American women in most cases creates more problems than it solves, especially since the problem is (the lack of...) companionship and intimacy, the other bullshit shouldn't matter really, but it does....