"American Culture" is an oxymoron.
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"American Culture" is an oxymoron.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so [i]venomous[/i] in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?[/QUOTE]
I think this is one of the most insightful posts that this thread has seen in a long time. We only have two base emotions: fear and love. Hate, disgust, lack of compassion and contempt are rooted in fear. I love the U.S. I just happen to love women of all different cultures. American women have no competition. It is similar to the medical profession: many U.S. citizens are going abroad for surgical procedure at less than 50% of the costs in the states. Let's focus on loving and leave the hate to others. Let's not be haters here. My friends we are all blessed. We have today.
I really don't want to discuss my personal life on the board. It's much less personal than you may think. It's just observations.
Like I said Americans have their heads in the sand about how fucked up the US has really become. It makes me angry because I love what the US USED to stand for. I love the IDEAL of it, which makes me really really angry to see how it's falling terminally short these days.
I wasn't about to starve to death in the US. But I DO believe I'm avoiding a MAJOR meltdown here by moving away.
I have been living in Colombia for 10 months now, and this is my second time back visiting.
The point of all this is, I think that a lot of the ranting on here about AW applies to the whole CULTURE (oxymoron!) in general, and people are technically correct, but they are being incredibly myopic. The root of the problem and indeed the symptoms go way beyond bitchy frigid women.
One of the things that really shocks me is just how bad peoples' HEALTH is here compared to where I live now, for example. Life really takes its toll on people physically here.
The US has lost its way as far as lifestyle is concerned. Workaholicism, long commutes, way too busy, eating fast food on the run instead of sitting down to a well-prepared meal, overscheduled children, and way too much stress. I lay much of the blame on consumerism. You add to that the erosion of civil rights and the imposition of a police state (Obama is reversing this to some degree), then you layer on 10% unemployment (really probably higher since the way they calculate the rate is pretty bogus) and it's not the place to be right now. Every empire self-destructs.
In my lifetime I have also seen the US educational system undergo substantial deterioration and since I work in that sector I am not just blowing smoke. Look at the incarceration rate. It's unbelievable. Some of that is racist in nature (although I find the US much less racist than almost any other place I've been but then again I'm white) but some of it is just bullshit.
I look at my friends who are still in the US and they have all this STUFF like ATVs and skis and bikes and roller blades and fancy kitchens and they don't have any time to enjoy them. Boats, even. You know how a boat costs to maintain and insure? And you use it what, four times a year? Please.
I know people who have second homes to which they retreat on the weekends. Let's do that math. Get home at 8 PM Friday after a stressful week, pack, drive two or three more hours, arrive exhausted, spend a day and a half, drive back Sunday, lather, rinse, repeat. Not too relaxing.
So I got a job I can do from anywhere and I make maybe $45k a year (it varies) and that is chump change in the US. But here, I can live quite well. Why do I want to be there? I don't. This place is an ethnic melting pot similar to the US except they don't let in a bunch of useless refugees, so you have every skin color and every eye color and every body type. I will tell you that when an Italian knocks up a mestiza those kids turn out pretty cute. Plenty of Asians here for when I get yellow fever and if I hunger for chocolate there are Dominicanas and Brazilenas.
And hamburger, which is subsidized by the government, is 86 cents a pound and doesn't smell raunchy like in the US, It's free range grass fed cattle. Poor people have way more dignity here as well, such as the right to sleep in the doorways of closed businesses.
I'm in my 50s and I trace the root of the deterioration of the US to the Vietnam War. Nobody ever looked at us the same after that. Then we tried to overcompensate for that debacle with shit like Kuwait and Afghanistan and Iraq, It didn't work. I am an American to my core but I don't support these ridiculous imperialist forays.
So, I am happy in Latin America where the corruption is much more overt and manageable. The women here want to fuck. The women there want to think up reasons not to fuck. And quite frankly, a lot of American men have lost interest in fucking. It's quite an asexual place, the US, compared to almost anywhere else.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I don't really want to use the term "venomous", cause it implies a snake, and personally I think it's great you are making it happen in Colombia. Having read your posts for some time, you have some useful contrasts and observations.
I guess I figure anyone who celebrates a "dash of ruthlessness" probably is not going to get worked up over a snake reference anyway. So, I'm curious about why you are so [i]venomous[/i] in your language.
The language you are using actually makes me think that your circumstances are more about not being in the United States and less about being in Colombia. There's a lot of anger in the expressions.
I understand, sometimes people are happy only in contrast to something else, but I see this as "the lottery effect" - people are happy when they win, but generally return to thier normal state of contentment after a couple of years.
How long have you been away from the United States?
I'd like to move to Colombia or some place like it, but not because I've got a bunch of acid for life in the United States. American women are what they are; I've got a mother and two sisters and it's not like I'm at war with my tribe.
Sorry - but I'll take this shot - If you could not find good food or live a life of personal choice (e.g. without a car) in one of the most abundant countries in history, well, it raises some questions here about how you measure competence.
Not that I want to get in a pissing contest over it. It just seems a little odd. I don't have anywhere near that level of discontent with American culture.
I don't know. Maybe you are using this language to self-motivate, that's understandable, but I'd say it suggests the only way any American could be happy in Colombia is in contrast with a bad experience with American Women or a general dislike of American culture. What do you think?[/QUOTE]
Thank you, Thank you.
This board has turned into nothing but American bashing and it’s disgusting especially coming from...well Americans. I had it rough with American women, grew up in one of America's most notorious ghettos but I still can't believe the level of hate on this board. American women are worthless; Americans are stupid, American culture is an oxymoron, blah blah blah. I am a Black so I have million reasons to sit here all day and post anti-American shit but this is unreal.
I live in what would be described by most as a sexual paradise but if I was filthy rich I am talking like multi-millionaire rich no way I would be living in the country I live now. I would be right in the US.
My above average salary provides an above average life (and other personal reasons) is the reason why I stay. Why the “shakers and movers” are are not flocking to leave the US if it is so bad?
I was one of these guys complaining all the time. Man you have to invest in yourself. In America you can’t be the sex tourist with a couple of dollars in your hand and think you’re going to get laid on the regular and have great life. Even in the country where I live if you want a decent woman one that is not hooking with a decent job you going to have to invest in yourself and in her time/dating it’s just that simple.
Well, get used to it. Get ready to see a lot more U.S bashing in the future. America will be blamed for the coming meltdown of the World's Financial system. American Financial institutions created and sold Toxic Financial products all over the world. Why? Pure Greed. Now these assholes(Bankers) want to be bailed out with our hard earned money. They take our money and give themselves huge bonuses in effect socializing the losses and keeping the profits. We ain't seen nothing yet. This is the calm before the storm.
When Americans wake up and realize how much they have been shafted up the ass, then the knives and pitch forks will come out...it's only a matter of time
[QUOTE=Illogic]Thank you, Thank you.
This board has turned into nothing but American bashing and it’s disgusting especially coming from...well Americans. I had it rough with American women, grew up in one of America's most notorious ghettos but I still can't believe the level of hate on this board. American women are worthless; Americans are stupid, American culture is an oxymoron, blah blah blah. I am a Black so I have million reasons to sit here all day and post anti-American shit but this is unreal.
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Oh, but they ARE leaving. Dickhead and I left already, didn't we? We have almost nothing but positive to report from Latin America. In my case, I'm even doing well on the local economy, better than I ever did in the US when you consider how cheap it is to live where I live now.
Like I said before, I'm not saying ANYTHING that you wouldn't hear from the mouth of almost any Colombian living in the US, or any Dominican, Mexican, Brazilian (however FEW there are left here), Nigerian, Indian, Jamaican, etc. They just won't say it to the average Joe here because they don't trust him enough to tell the truth. The ones you REALLY won't hear from are the ones who have already left. People assume people come to the US and never leave, nothing could be further from the truth!
My personal hope is that the US turns itself around and goes back to being more like the country it once was. I just don't see much hope though, part of the problem is PEOPLE REFUSE TO THINK THERES ANYTHING MAJORLY WRONG. The denial here is absolutely incredible.
Anyways, enjoy your mongering trips before the hyperinflation kicks in and your dollars wind up worthless. That's not just trying to be nasty either, it's a warning!
Bango, I agree with all you have said. Most immigrants who arrive here, falsely think U.S streets are paved with Gold, only to realize that it ain't so. You can blame Hollywood for this false portrayal of how the average U.S. Joe really lives. Right now, you have immigrants who were practicing Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Teachers, etc in their own countries and are now Cooks, Cleaners, Taxi Cab drivers etc in the U.S.A....IT'S TRUE.
The same also applies in Europe (UK, Germany Austria, France, Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands etc.)
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Oh, but they ARE leaving. Dickhead and I left already, didn't we? We have almost nothing but positive to report from Latin America. In my case, I'm even doing well on the local economy, better than I ever did in the US when you consider how cheap it is to live where I live now.
Like I said before, I'm not saying ANYTHING that you wouldn't hear from the mouth of almost any Colombian living in the US, or any Dominican, Mexican, Brazilian (however FEW there are left here), Nigerian, Indian, Jamaican, etc. They just won't say it to the average Joe here because they don't trust him enough to tell the truth. The ones you REALLY won't hear from are the ones who have already left. People assume people come to the US and never leave, nothing could be further from the truth!
My personal hope is that the US turns itself around and goes back to being more like the country it once was. I just don't see much hope though, part of the problem is PEOPLE REFUSE TO THINK THERES ANYTHING MAJORLY WRONG. The denial here is absolutely incredible.
Anyways, enjoy your mongering trips before the hyperinflation kicks in and your dollars wind up worthless. That's not just trying to be nasty either, it's a warning![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I agree with all you have said. Most immigrants who arrive here, falsely think U.S streets are paved with Gold only to realize that it ain't so. You can blame Hollywood for this false portrayal of how the average U.S. Joe really lives. Right now, you have immigrants who were practicing Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Teachers, etc in their own countries and are now Cooks, Cleaners, Taxi Cab drivers etc in the U.S.A....IT'S TRUE.
The same can be said of countries in Europe (UK, Germany Austria, France, Spain, Switzerland, The Netherlands etc.)[/QUOTE]Yes and no. Yes, many immigrant are starting from simple jobs and then some go up. It also depends on the immigrant's age. For older ones it is much more difficult. One my friend started washing toilets, now is making 100's K and has a photo model wife. But he's rather an exception. Also there are many other immigrants, especially illegals, spending years in ghetto, doing construction or cleaning work, they live worse than in their homeland, also many sending money back and planning to go back after sometime.
I've been in the USA for 10+ years and about to leave too. Although I know that still very many immigrants do like USA and are actually very successful and seem to be happy. Immigrants are different. Many are just very happy that they have a lot of money and can buy "stuff". I'm also considered successful, but I see no use of my success, not interested in buying more stuff at all. And/Or spending all money and time on one stupid biyotch(the significant other:)). I do not have much other choice in the USA. For different reasons, mainly because of the crazy busy everybody's lifestyle and of course here is very limited choice of available women.
I believe everybody has it's own point of view. Here we are talking from a mongers point of view or as a somebody who's priority is to have access to many beautiful women.
However many immigrants do not care about this. Or have no idea that it is possible - the same as many Americans do. Many immigrants love America because now they can have a lot of food, cars, and houses.
I consider Hollywood as the biggest and very successful USA's marketing campaign. They succeeded so much to bullshit the whole world that most people believe whatever they see in movies, so they try to imitate Americans in the movies and many want to move to USA, but then of course they realize that it can be very different from what they had seen in the movies.
Also one of the reasons why many girls overseas are so sexy is because they have seen a bunch American movies with hot horny American girls who want to have sex all the time, so foreign girls wanted to imitate Americans without realizing that it was bullshit. Now there are many those talk/reality and other bullshit shows which copy American shows.
Still even now some people watch MTV clips and automatically think that everybody in USA is beautiful, happy and girls are hot and horny. One guy from a FSU country told me that his dream is to move to USA and hang out with black guys - He likes to watch MTV clips where black guys sing, dance and hang out with model girls all the time. So this guy think if he moves to USA he's gonna do the same and those model girls will be all over him. But we who're already in the USA actually need to move out for the same purpose:) that's funny. The guys does not appreciate where he lives. When I visited him, we fucked about 5-6 girls in a few days. I don't think he would be able to do even one of them if he were in the USA.
Regardless of American Women or whether the US does or does not suck, the experience of living in another country deepens you, broadens you, enriches you, and changes you. I've now lived in the US, México, Germany, and the United Kingdom, in addition to Argentina. I also spent a couple of months living like a local in Colombia and Ireland although I still had roots elsewhere so it would be a stretch to say I lived in those places. It's made me more tolerant, more flexible, more imaginative, more resourceful, and I dare say more interesting.
So develop several skills and emphasize skills that are as portable as possible. Obviously learn at least one more language. When you travel, for any stay of more than a few days, rent an apartment and use public transportation. Hotels suck anyway and taxis and rental cars are major sources of headaches and problems, and are much more dangerous. Study and research your destinations before you go there. Don't just show up. Any fool can do that.
But don't live in the United Kingdom because it combines all the disadvantages of the US with horrible food, awful weather and tremendous overcrowding. Plus it's expensive as hell. No offense to the Brits out there but go to the fucking dentist for Christ's sakes, and put the beer in the fridge and not in the god damn oven.
Man you guys must be crazy thinking Americans are moving out in any great numbers.
Its the same 5 to 10 guys on this site talking about their great life living in another country and how hard they had trying to make it in america.
America has more people trying to get into it legally or illegally than any other country in the world.
For every 1 guys who leaves there are a thousand standing in line to take their place. People come to america because its the land of opportunity. One of the few countries where a person can come with nothing on their back and become successful. America has more rags to riches stories than any other country on earth. Not to mention some of the sexiest, independent, educated women.
Is america perfect, no but there are very few countries which offer all the opportunities which america does. But move out if you like, I'm sure there will be plenty of foreigners who will be happy to replace you.
Cya and have a good life.
I agree. I really REALLY think that if everybody on this board who didn't speak at least two languages learned just one other language, the whole tone of this thread would be completely different. Speaking one language only incredibly limits you as a human being. I speak five languages now and I'm not gonna stop until I've learned at least four more.
Americans are leaving the US in increasing numbers.
[url]http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/07/28/a-growing-trend-of-leaving-america.html[/url]
Skilled/educated immigrants certainly are returning to their home countries.
[url]http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/03/02/Skilled-immigrants-leaving-US/UPI-47301236041745/[/url]
[url]http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/the-real-high-tech-immigrant-problem-theyre-leaving/[/url]
[url]http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedFiles/americas_loss.pdf[/url]
Even unskilled and illegal immigrants are leaving.
[url]http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=782:polish-immigrants-are-leaving-usa-&catid=82:news-from-usa-wiadomosci-z-usa-usa&Itemid=199[/url]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/10/immigrants.economy/[/url]
[QUOTE=Thatguy865]Man you guys must be crazy thinking Americans are moving out in any great numbers.
Its the same 5 to 10 guys on this site talking about their great life living in another country and how hard they had trying to make it in america.
America has more people trying to get into it legally or illegally than any other country in the world.
For every 1 guys who leaves there are a thousand standing in line to take their place. People come to america because its the land of opportunity. One of the few countries where a person can come with nothing on their back and become successful. America has more rags to riches stories than any other country on earth. Not to mention some of the sexiest, independent, educated women.
Is america perfect, no but there are very few countries which offer all the opportunities which america does. But move out if you like, I'm sure there will be plenty of foreigners who will be happy to replace you.
Cya and have a good life.[/QUOTE]
"Are rich Americans leaving, or planning to leave, the country? Consider a poll conducted by Zogby International which asked adult Americans if they had ever considered moving outside the United States. The survey, which had more than 115,000 respondents, excluded anyone relocating offshore for less than two years and anyone who relocated because of government requirements, the military or their jobs. Bob Bauman of offshore experts The Sovereign Society wrote on October 16:
The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.
• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.
This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.
These would-be emigrant households plan to spend an average of US$260,000 on buying or building a house. They’re also planning to spend at least US$36,000 annually on living expenses outside the United States.
In total, they represent hundreds of billions of dollars leaving the U.S. economy each year.
Bauman quoted John Gaver of ActionAmerica.org, who said:
The problem is that increasingly, the wealthy perceive that they are under attack by their own government and they are taking the only rational option left open to them. They’re taking their wealth and leaving.
And regarding the number of wealthy Americans who have already left the country, Bauman wrote:
Every year, about 250,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens leave America to make a new home in some other nation.
In 2005, the U.S. Bureau of the Census upped this estimate. They guessed that over 350,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens would leave the United States permanently.
On February 15, John Gaver wrote in a piece on ActionAmerica.org:
Wealthy US citizens continue to leave the US at an alarming rate…
Tax haven countries are recording significantly larger numbers of US applicants for permanent residence or second citizenship every year. Keep in mind that most of those expats are wealthy, since poor people can’t afford to leave. In fact, millions of poor people risk their lives in the back of trailers or crossing Arizona desert every year, to take advantage of our increasing welfare state. It is the wealthy, who are leaving and they represent lost US investment dollars and subsequently, LOST US JOBS…"
[url]http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/06/13/are-rich-americans-leaving-the-country/[/url]
Well, if this data is correct, America is screwed even more than I ever could have imagined. Folks it's simple, the World lent us cheap dollars to spend and do what ever the heck we wanted. The World now realizes, America, the World's largest debtor nation has no chance in hell of paying off her debts. America's standard of living is going to fall big time.......the Rich folk understand what's going to happen and are getting out while the "getting" is good.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]"Are rich Americans leaving, or planning to leave, the country? Consider a poll conducted by Zogby International which asked adult Americans if they had ever considered moving outside the United States. The survey, which had more than 115,000 respondents, excluded anyone relocating offshore for less than two years and anyone who relocated because of government requirements, the military or their jobs. Bob Bauman of offshore experts The Sovereign Society wrote on October 16:
The Zogby results are shocking – especially compared to the entire U.S. population (now about 303,116,000). The numbers below are for households, not individuals.
• 1.6 million U.S. households already decided to move offshore and are headed in that direction.
• Another 1.8 million households are seriously considering moving and are likely to do it. Many have taken preliminary steps.
• 7.7 million households are “somewhat seriously” considering moving and “may” do it.
• Nearly 3 million households are seriously considering buying a vacation home or other property outside the United States. Another 10 million are “somewhat” seriously considering it.
This means that almost 10% of U.S. households are considering leaving the country. Another 10% are considering living outside the country part-time. Most analysts are ignoring this silent massive emigration.
These would-be emigrant households plan to spend an average of US$260,000 on buying or building a house. They’re also planning to spend at least US$36,000 annually on living expenses outside the United States.
In total, they represent hundreds of billions of dollars leaving the U.S. economy each year.
Bauman quoted John Gaver of ActionAmerica.org, who said:
The problem is that increasingly, the wealthy perceive that they are under attack by their own government and they are taking the only rational option left open to them. They’re taking their wealth and leaving.
And regarding the number of wealthy Americans who have already left the country, Bauman wrote:
Every year, about 250,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens leave America to make a new home in some other nation.
In 2005, the U.S. Bureau of the Census upped this estimate. They guessed that over 350,000 U.S. citizens and resident aliens would leave the United States permanently.
On February 15, John Gaver wrote in a piece on ActionAmerica.org:
Wealthy US citizens continue to leave the US at an alarming rate…
Tax haven countries are recording significantly larger numbers of US applicants for permanent residence or second citizenship every year. Keep in mind that most of those expats are wealthy, since poor people can’t afford to leave. In fact, millions of poor people risk their lives in the back of trailers or crossing Arizona desert every year, to take advantage of our increasing welfare state. It is the wealthy, who are leaving and they represent lost US investment dollars and subsequently, LOST US JOBS…"
[url]http://www.boom2bust.com/2008/06/13/are-rich-americans-leaving-the-country/[/url][/QUOTE]